**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 21 02:59:56 2008 Mar 21 03:11:19 night Mar 21 03:27:05 -> -> -> Mar 21 03:35:13 -> Mar 21 03:35:21 Youtube plugin for canola \o/ Mar 21 03:35:42 uses internal flash to store videos \o/ Mar 21 03:35:53 * Navi is out of internal flash space Mar 21 03:37:33 ha ha ha Mar 21 03:37:42 symlink to mmc then Mar 21 03:37:47 I was going to Mar 21 03:38:09 but i'm lazy >_> Mar 21 03:38:33 what do you download from youtube? Mar 21 03:39:02 I'm just looking at some random funny clips people paste to irc Mar 21 03:39:15 I'm just watchin' teh videos Mar 21 03:39:26 but I guess people use it for other things as well? Mar 21 03:40:34 one reason could be that it takes way too long to download videos from youtube to thailand Mar 21 03:40:38 And I need it to compete with my iPod Touch toting friends Mar 21 03:41:01 eg. if it's not really funny, I'd rather don't even try to download Mar 21 03:41:24 I don't save youtube videos >_> Mar 21 03:41:32 Canola's gotta cache the video somewhere though Mar 21 03:42:29 I don't neither.. but need to open an separate tab on ff to fill the buffer :) Mar 21 03:44:04 just nice to hear how people use services in a different way Mar 21 03:44:45 I just watch it :/ Mar 21 03:45:19 I tell them "well maybe youll find yourself one day in a lake of fire, in a rowboat, with one good oar saying 'I shouldn't have supported closed-firmware vendorrrs....'" Mar 21 03:45:48 heh Mar 21 03:46:39 They _all_ don't like the iPhone though ^_^ Mar 21 03:47:00 "What the hell? Why would I want to use a phone with only one button?" Mar 21 03:47:07 ^_^; Mar 21 03:47:49 erm, isn't whole x86 pc business closed firmware ? Mar 21 03:47:49 :> Mar 21 03:47:53 It's got 4 buttons Mar 21 03:47:55 and a switch Mar 21 03:48:29 pfft Mar 21 03:54:30 it's got a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time Mar 21 03:54:49 compass that tells time? Mar 21 03:54:50 o.O Mar 21 03:55:45 when is canola2 on the 770 going to support UPNP? Mar 21 03:55:47 * Proteous cries Mar 21 03:56:24 When is Canola2 gonna support UPnP period? Mar 21 03:57:59 :/ Mar 21 03:59:20 when it's good enough, and it's not Mar 21 03:59:31 :P Mar 21 03:59:38 adding it now would be adding more problems Mar 21 03:59:56 let's get what we have right, then add this, so you can complain and we can fix :-) Mar 21 04:00:17 until then you can help by fixing brisa Mar 21 04:01:31 * pupnik googles brisa Mar 21 04:01:47 pupnik: just search in garage.maemo.org Mar 21 04:02:09 'ey, it's k-s Mar 21 04:02:19 ty Mar 21 04:02:21 thought all the Canola guys left :o Mar 21 04:03:06 I CAN CRY IF I WANT TOOOO Mar 21 04:03:07 * Proteous cries Mar 21 04:03:14 i can cry too. Mar 21 04:03:18 * Navi gives Proteous a hug Mar 21 04:03:20 sure sure Mar 21 04:03:22 is it your party? Mar 21 04:03:24 lol Mar 21 04:03:36 * KotCzarny starts thinking that hildon is there to take over the workld. Mar 21 04:03:36 also, youtube is released, you can use it to write support for more data acquisition, maybe using Coherence? Mar 21 04:03:39 world. Mar 21 04:03:52 anyone tried to backport maemo app to normal one? Mar 21 04:03:55 *grin* Mar 21 04:04:07 it's evil. Mar 21 04:04:10 backport sounds dirty Mar 21 04:04:30 no, not in the backport, please Mar 21 04:05:12 * KotCzarny pushes undefined reference to `hildon_banner_show_information_with_markup' right up into proteous Mar 21 04:05:14 don't be trying to climb out of the gutter, I'll just step on your fingers Mar 21 04:17:12 hi Mar 21 04:18:52 monrning Mar 21 04:20:17 damn +GMTers Mar 21 04:20:29 always gmornin in the evenin Mar 21 04:20:34 :P Mar 21 04:20:51 evening? it's midnifgt already Mar 21 04:20:55 midnight Mar 21 04:24:04 sure sure Mar 21 04:25:50 lol Mar 21 04:59:48 ummm Media Converter Mar 21 04:59:57 can only convert to mp4? Mar 21 06:17:25 You know what we need? Tamagotchis on our N8X0s Mar 21 06:18:31 prolly easily portable from some crap open source implementaton :P Mar 21 06:19:09 The problem lies in which crappy OS implementation is the best Mar 21 06:19:09 mine always die :/ Mar 21 06:19:40 perl Mar 21 06:20:33 You're a terrible person. Mar 21 06:20:36 I mean, so far, I can only find ktamaga Mar 21 06:20:57 You know there's a zoo in Japan where they kill a real kitten for every Tamagotchis that dies? Mar 21 06:21:08 * Proteous cries Mar 21 06:21:34 Who cares about the kittens? He fucking lets his tamagotchis die Mar 21 06:22:20 The KDE-Tamagotchi-emulator Mar 21 06:23:36 So, the friend that I warned not to get an N-Gage got an N-Gage Mar 21 06:23:40 what a 'tard Mar 21 06:23:59 Navi: you're just jealous Mar 21 06:23:59 he may be happy Mar 21 06:24:00 anyway Mar 21 06:24:23 it has worms Mar 21 06:24:24 I owned the original N-Gage Mar 21 06:24:24 :> Mar 21 06:24:37 side talkin' ftw Mar 21 06:24:48 can be used as a cheap smartphone Mar 21 06:26:03 what can be used as a cheap smartphone? Mar 21 06:26:10 n-gage Mar 21 06:26:19 lolwut: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1175532 Mar 21 06:27:22 N-Gage is a made-for-mobile games service available in compatible Nokia Nseries and other S60 3rd Edition devices from Nokia. Mar 21 06:27:39 so i guess original n-gage is out of question Mar 21 06:27:41 :> Mar 21 06:28:50 I know someone who just bought a vx6800 or something like that, and he's been quite frustrated because most sites that require a login won't work for him Mar 21 06:29:21 I'd like to know what to recommend to him.. aside from trying Opera Mobile Mar 21 06:29:33 maybe dell? Mar 21 06:29:34 :> Mar 21 06:29:49 An N800? Mar 21 06:30:35 is there hildon/oss lib for x86-linux ? Mar 21 06:30:52 An N800 would work.. but then he has to come up with an internet connection. I think he doesn't want to carry more than one device for this Mar 21 06:31:04 VX6800? Mar 21 06:31:29 I was going from memory.. it may be xv8600.. who knows what digits I transposed Mar 21 06:31:42 VX6800 + N800 Mar 21 06:31:54 >_> Mar 21 06:32:36 So the question is, will the vx6800 bridge it's uplink over wifi? Mar 21 06:32:45 Or would he need a cable? Mar 21 06:33:03 It runs on WM6 Mar 21 06:33:07 Bluetooth? Mar 21 06:33:08 PAN? Mar 21 06:33:13 maybe some kind of proxy? Mar 21 06:33:24 Opera 9.5 will probably help, though. Mar 21 06:33:27 in case wm6 doesn't have ip forwarding Mar 21 06:33:49 WM6 is something I've personally avoided.. so I don't know much about its capabilities. Mar 21 06:33:57 It supports PAN. Mar 21 06:34:25 Yeah, I think his next step is to try Opera Mobile 8.65. Not sure if 9.5 will go on WM6 Mar 21 06:35:05 unixsnob: i wonder if there's firefox2/3 for wm :> Mar 21 06:35:11 what exactly is PAN? I have trouble keeping all the tethering options straight Mar 21 06:35:36 Mozilla has announced that Mobile Firefox will debut on Nokia 800 devices and those running Windows Mobile 6. Mar 21 06:36:00 Personal Area Network Mar 21 06:36:13 It's like adhoc wifi for Bluetooth. Mar 21 06:36:15 Sorta Mar 21 06:36:24 Except "personal" Mar 21 06:36:37 Lot less overhead than DUN. Mar 21 06:37:13 interesting.. I would certainly recommend BT over wifi if he can get away w/ it Mar 21 06:37:23 (for power reasons) Mar 21 06:39:13 Hrm Mar 21 06:39:18 I thought Opera 9.5 was out. Mar 21 06:39:19 Guess not. Mar 21 06:39:27 not yet Mar 21 06:39:31 still beta Mar 21 06:41:15 night ppl Mar 21 06:41:43 l8r Mar 21 06:47:34 KotCzarny: do you have a link for that? Mar 21 07:23:34 Media Converter can only convert to mp4? Mar 21 07:51:14 morning all Mar 21 07:51:44 morning Mar 21 07:55:10 Hi guys. some told me that Max Payne 2 it going to port to Maemo .. is it true ? Mar 21 07:56:44 lolz Mar 21 07:57:15 it's coming out with duke nukem forever Mar 21 07:57:34 YEAH! Mar 21 07:57:59 hi Tama^2 Mar 21 07:58:03 how are ya? Mar 21 07:58:10 Haha Mar 21 07:58:19 Funny man, that carp3. :\ Mar 21 07:58:20 Hi, good thanks Mar 21 07:58:41 Tama^2 Media Converter can only convert to mp4? Mar 21 07:58:55 I have no experience with Media COnverter Mar 21 08:00:53 tnx Mar 21 08:16:38 Tama^2 pm Mar 21 08:23:30 re Mar 21 08:24:33 http://pupnik.de/Iraq_Today__tomorrow__.jpg Mar 21 08:25:39 lol Mar 21 08:25:40 :D Mar 21 08:26:53 lol? Mar 21 08:28:26 happy easter Mar 21 08:29:45 * Tobotras fights with libjpeg. libjpeg has an upper hand for now Mar 21 08:33:55 pupnik: what is funny/interesting about the picture? Mar 21 08:34:51 nothing funny Mar 21 08:38:56 it spreads fear Mar 21 08:46:06 guys Mar 21 08:46:25 i need mplayer 25 all package can someone send me please? Mar 21 08:57:21 keesj you live in a democracy. exercise your responsibility Mar 21 08:58:26 I am not sure what that would be , I guess letting people speak? Mar 21 08:59:06 and the dead are silent Mar 21 08:59:10 unless we speak for them Mar 21 09:00:02 I live in a country where you are not allowed to have some ideas Mar 21 09:00:24 me too Mar 21 09:03:03 http://www.nederlandtegenterrorisme.nl/ we have 200.000 people working so that people don's get "terorestic ideas" Mar 21 09:03:05 Who doesn't? Mar 21 09:04:46 but they really make commercials about it. Mar 21 09:05:48 keesj: yeah, still not sure what to think of those Mar 21 09:06:08 200,000 is not that much Mar 21 09:06:35 probably have that alone in a section of brooklyn Mar 21 09:07:12 the duch population is about 16 Million people Mar 21 09:08:30 so that's 1.25% of the population doing active anti-terrorist work Mar 21 09:08:39 i think that's quite significant Mar 21 09:08:58 and i'm not sure it's needed Mar 21 09:09:16 come on guys do you really think there are 200K people working full time in antiterrorism for real? Mar 21 09:09:20 * aquatix hates to be in a train when all traffic is suspended because they find some suspicious bag Mar 21 09:09:30 lame propaganda is well... propaganda Mar 21 09:09:30 which turned out to be empty or full of dirty clothes Mar 21 09:09:37 no Mar 21 09:09:47 but i don't like the signal they give Mar 21 09:10:07 aquatix, where are you from? Mar 21 09:10:15 the netherlands Mar 21 09:10:22 ok. Mar 21 09:10:24 aquatix: dan not liever de lucht in? Mar 21 09:10:32 pupnik: where are you from? Mar 21 09:10:35 keesj: nee, maar hoe groot is de kans :) Mar 21 09:10:38 do they random;y search bags there? Mar 21 09:10:50 keesj: my point is, why terrorise your own people? Mar 21 09:11:00 like the government and airports in the US do Mar 21 09:11:05 lol Mar 21 09:11:21 they do in the subways in NYC Mar 21 09:11:32 That freaks me out Mar 21 09:11:42 I couldn't imagine putting up with that. Mar 21 09:11:45 unique311: no, but they get all freaked out when some student forgets his empty sports bag in the train Mar 21 09:11:49 Or worse, being in the UK with cameras everywhere. Mar 21 09:11:53 i'm not mad it it. Mar 21 09:11:54 GeneralAntilles: yeah Mar 21 09:11:59 well Mar 21 09:12:05 That's just totally unfathomable to me. Mar 21 09:12:06 there are quite some cameras here too Mar 21 09:12:07 i don't want to be an innocent victim of terrorism. Mar 21 09:12:30 if searching has to be done to stop it somewhat... Mar 21 09:12:30 none of us is innocent. Mar 21 09:12:32 so be it Mar 21 09:12:34 unique311: of course not Mar 21 09:12:41 but i want some privacy and respect too Mar 21 09:12:53 i want to live. Mar 21 09:12:58 exactly Mar 21 09:13:07 and my definition of living is `like i want' Mar 21 09:13:10 i'll take a little privacy and such Mar 21 09:13:12 I'd rather face the danger of a little terrorism than give up freedoms. Mar 21 09:13:19 alive, and unhassled Mar 21 09:13:28 GeneralAntilles: can't agree more Mar 21 09:13:51 and, honestly, aside from the philosophical issues, you're kidding yourself if you think the searches they do in subways, courthouses, airports, etc, etc are actually doing anything. Mar 21 09:13:59 It's a joke Mar 21 09:14:08 They're just there to give you the perception of security Mar 21 09:14:11 without actually providing any of it. Mar 21 09:14:22 theater of security they call it Mar 21 09:14:24 indeed. but most people are happy enough to perceive it. Mar 21 09:14:40 there has been countless of people and journalists that have investigated and proven them wrong on the account of those searching being functional Mar 21 09:15:15 true. Mar 21 09:15:24 hell, there was some journalist here in the NL that could walk around at our largest airport unbothered and put a fake bomb inside the cargo storage of a plane Mar 21 09:15:31 and smuggle drugs if he wanted Mar 21 09:15:34 he even filmed it Mar 21 09:16:00 your cavety is searched better than the people working on your plane ;) Mar 21 09:16:14 myabe the NL is proviling certain individuals. Mar 21 09:16:26 czr, most people are stupid. ;) Mar 21 09:16:39 GeneralAntilles: fact Mar 21 09:16:45 GeneralAntilles, yeah, but democracy and all. Mar 21 09:17:04 keesj: i landed on the wrong planet Mar 21 09:17:40 The MythTV software supports TV tuner?????????????????????????????? Mar 21 09:18:28 Italodance: that's sort of the idea of it yeah Mar 21 09:18:46 being a TV thingee Mar 21 09:19:24 and all Mar 21 09:19:43 18 million in NY, half of that 18M living in NYC...wow Mar 21 09:20:25 wow Mar 21 09:21:10 yeah, agglomerate Paris has some 18 million people too iirc Mar 21 09:21:20 *agglomeration Mar 21 09:21:42 ah no, only 12 million Mar 21 09:24:25 O no , I am having wrong ideas Mar 21 09:24:35 * czr spanks keesj Mar 21 09:40:00 hi unique311 Mar 21 09:40:10 yeah aquatix good idea Mar 21 09:44:32 hello Mar 21 09:45:26 maemo plugin is for what? Mar 21 09:49:50 http://pupnik.de/Iraq_Today__tomorrow__.jpg Mar 21 09:50:55 Stop depressing me pupnik. <_< Mar 21 09:54:24 stop spamming pupnik Mar 21 09:54:37 Oh the irony! Mar 21 09:54:44 :) Mar 21 10:04:28 sorry GeneralAntilles Mar 21 10:04:33 i just love the pic Mar 21 10:07:22 her chances of survival are not good Mar 21 10:07:37 yeah, quite the pic to love Mar 21 10:07:46 pupnik Mar 21 10:08:06 i am u living to near of iraq! Mar 21 10:09:50 i can has some of that cheezburger? Mar 21 10:13:37 aquatix Media Converter can only convert to mp4? Mar 21 10:14:04 *blink* Mar 21 10:14:05 erm Mar 21 10:14:07 dunno? Mar 21 10:14:25 what's ur converter? Mar 21 10:14:32 is that some program you got on the cdrom with the n800? Mar 21 10:14:35 i use ffmpeg Mar 21 10:14:45 or mencoder Mar 21 10:14:48 ffmpeg for n800? Mar 21 10:15:00 ffmpeg on my laptop Mar 21 10:15:08 no it is a video converter for n800 Mar 21 10:15:23 i can create most media types with it Mar 21 10:15:35 yeah, it's for the n800 too indeed Mar 21 10:15:57 i want to know which is the best video converter for n800? Mar 21 10:16:47 ? Mar 21 10:17:28 hrm... where do I add a mimetype thingy? (so I can doubleclick a filetype in the file manager and have it open)? Mar 21 10:17:42 you mean to convert movies you want to play on the n800, or for converting a movie on the n800 itself? Mar 21 10:17:51 ah hey Italodance Mar 21 10:17:54 yes exactly Mar 21 10:17:56 Italodance: avidemux on linux and POcketDivxEncoder on windows are easy to use Mar 21 10:18:08 oh hi rm_you welcome back dear friend :D Mar 21 10:18:23 http://www.pocketdivxencoder.net/ yes... Mar 21 10:18:28 I wish explaining how to use tablet-encode was easier :/ Mar 21 10:18:50 rm_you, there's a thread on ITT. Mar 21 10:18:53 note: I had Italodance install ActivePERL the other day... so... one step down :P Mar 21 10:19:15 rm_you i have a problem i just added my original divx movie (without any convert) to my n800 Mar 21 10:19:15 GeneralAntilles: kk, figured as much. just wanted to make sure my wording was accurate :P Mar 21 10:19:35 i use mplayer for watch it but it is sometimes slow on somewhere why? Mar 21 10:20:17 Italodance: it's slow because the n800 is too slow to decode it in real time? Mar 21 10:20:22 the movie is too big i guess Mar 21 10:20:54 yes video is 700mb 600*340 screen 23 fbs Mar 21 10:20:59 Italodance: did you try to play these movie on a PII 400Mhz ?, video bit rate is to high Mar 21 10:21:37 BabelO it's ok on my pc only for n800...it will be slow on some screens... Mar 21 10:21:52 Don't excede 600px horizontal Mar 21 10:21:58 Below 540 is recommended Mar 21 10:22:02 less for 4:3 stuff. Mar 21 10:22:11 and stick somewhere in the 500-1200Kbps range Mar 21 10:22:13 rm_you maybe my mplayer has problem? it is mplayer 24 and can't read mp4 files too! :( Mar 21 10:22:53 rm_you can u send me all package files for mplayer 25? Mar 21 10:22:56 Italodance: no, it is the way the files are encoded Mar 21 10:23:00 your mplayer is fine Mar 21 10:24:06 so is there any solution for fix it? Mar 21 10:24:32 Italodance: transcode it on your pc to a movie with a smaller size Mar 21 10:24:33 i don't want to use video converter for movie files just copy and paste them to my mmc2 Mar 21 10:25:40 but i heard (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986) mplayer 24 has many problems! Mar 21 10:26:56 it doesn't really... Mar 21 10:27:23 Italodance: you really need to re-encode your video files so they are smaller Mar 21 10:27:24 rm_you possible can u send me all package files for mplayer 25....here i have an old problem now! Mar 21 10:27:31 and use xvid codec Mar 21 10:27:50 Italodance: I am still using mplayer-24 Mar 21 10:27:57 it works *fine* Mar 21 10:28:00 xvid codec? only this tool and it's useful? Mar 21 10:28:19 rm_you mplayer-24 can't read mp4 files can u? Mar 21 10:28:26 i'm sorry, I think we have some sort of communication issue (possibly language related) Mar 21 10:28:47 I'll try to rephrase instead of just repeating the same thing Mar 21 10:28:58 ok Mar 21 10:29:05 Mplayer-24 is good. Mar 21 10:29:13 MP4 is slow Mar 21 10:29:17 Use xvid. Mar 21 10:29:21 so i use xvid codec for re-encode Mar 21 10:29:24 Yes Mar 21 10:30:20 600x340 is bad. 400x### is good. Mar 21 10:30:47 600 is the horizontal resolution of the video you have Mar 21 10:31:04 You don't want to go over 500... the best to use is 400 Mar 21 10:31:17 400x240 is the best but after convery the quality will drop Mar 21 10:31:20 down Mar 21 10:31:37 not really Mar 21 10:31:44 Is there a Bitrate option? Mar 21 10:31:54 so tell me what is the best converter for n800? as ur opinion? Mar 21 10:31:59 If so, turn that up to 1000-1400 Mar 21 10:32:04 tablet-encode Mar 21 10:32:10 but it is tricky to use in windows Mar 21 10:32:12 rm_you yes Bitrate option is available Mar 21 10:32:39 Codec: Xvid. Bitrate: 1200. Resolution: 400x### Mar 21 10:32:51 That will look nice and play very nicely as well Mar 21 10:33:06 Just use the IT Converter from Nokia. Mar 21 10:33:07 i use internet tablet video converter / Xilisoft Video Converter / n800 video convert Mar 21 10:33:11 Saves you any thinking. Mar 21 10:33:27 ok Mar 21 10:33:40 bah! Mar 21 10:33:51 GeneralAntilles: that's what he's been using... which is causing problems :/ Mar 21 10:33:55 yes i am testing many tools for my n800 Mar 21 10:34:24 internet tablet video converter = the best for divx/xvid Mar 21 10:34:45 Xilisoft Video Converter = the best for h263 h264 720p Mar 21 10:34:53 n800 video convert = shit! Mar 21 10:35:23 Media Converter is the Java thing. Mar 21 10:35:26 Not the Nokia one. Mar 21 10:35:28 and i don't use Media Converter yet Mar 21 10:35:40 http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 Mar 21 10:36:08 i know it but ur results are good from Media Converter? Mar 21 10:36:31 i have Internet Tablet Video Converter read up (internet tablet video converter = the best for divx/xvid ) Mar 21 10:37:51 i still looking for the best! Mar 21 10:38:34 rm_you maybe www.pocketdivxencoder.net is good for re-encode Mar 21 10:39:18 The best is tablet-encode. Mar 21 10:40:01 tablet-encode is it for win? Mar 21 10:44:16 the best from tablet-encode: best => { abitrate => 192, vbitrate => 768, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, Mar 21 10:45:45 low? Mar 21 10:45:47 low Mar 21 10:45:59 vbitrate => 76 fps => 30 },? Mar 21 10:46:16 i use: n800 => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, Mar 21 10:46:44 that's cool i use it now... Mar 21 10:46:49 could probably make that: Mar 21 10:46:57 n800 => { abitrate => 192, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 }, Mar 21 10:47:09 i set the audio really low for some reason >_> Mar 21 10:47:11 dunno why Mar 21 10:47:23 rm_you: crappy earbuds? ;) Mar 21 10:47:30 actually no :P Mar 21 10:47:38 heh, then it's weird Mar 21 10:47:38 more like crappy thought process Mar 21 10:47:44 :) Mar 21 10:49:36 aquatix what's ur mplayer? Mar 21 10:49:48 Italodance: you mean which version? Mar 21 10:49:52 yes Mar 21 10:49:57 latest Mar 21 10:50:00 * aquatix looks Mar 21 10:50:02 26? Mar 21 10:50:04 cool Mar 21 10:50:20 sorry but possible can u send me all ur mplayer 26 files? Mar 21 10:50:32 the package Mar 21 10:50:53 Italodance: don't start again please Mar 21 10:51:02 i have 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0 :) Mar 21 10:51:08 ok sorry Mar 21 10:51:17 and sorry, i'm too busy to get all those files Mar 21 10:51:20 aha it can't read mp4 files Mar 21 10:51:25 get some internet on your tablet ;) Mar 21 10:51:28 i have 24 too Mar 21 10:51:55 Italodance: why are you asking us for the deb file? Mar 21 10:51:56 i only download 25 deb file for update but it said unable to update why? Mar 21 10:52:05 just download it from the site like a normal person :P Mar 21 10:52:13 Italodance: install .24 then .25? Mar 21 10:52:18 i thought .25 was beta Mar 21 10:52:39 anyway, STOP OBSESSING! there is virtually no difference between .24 and .25 Mar 21 10:52:51 (as far as you are concerned) Mar 21 10:53:01 rm_you yes i download 25 deb file but the application manager said unable to update why? Mar 21 10:53:21 Italodance: I don't know, and *it doesn't matter* Mar 21 10:53:22 rm_you no 24 is crap!? Mar 21 10:53:28 pretend .25 doesn't exist Mar 21 10:53:44 If you keep saying that I'm just going to stop talking to you. Mar 21 10:53:57 once again http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16986 mplayer 26 is exist too Mar 21 10:54:03 * rm_you sighs Mar 21 10:54:09 crap 24: Mar 21 10:54:10 * Fixed issue #2091 ('nokia770 video driver does not get enabled on N810') Mar 21 10:54:10 * Fixed issue #1962 ('mp4(divx) playing VERY slowly with MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0') Mar 21 10:54:31 rm_you sorry :( Mar 21 10:55:06 you have an n800... so the first doesn't matter Mar 21 10:55:35 the second might be relevent, but even if it is, xvid files *will* play faster because the codec is less CPU heavy Mar 21 10:55:43 so it doesn't matter Mar 21 10:58:08 * lcuk yawns and stretches Mar 21 11:00:03 Anyway, I need to head to Austin now... So i'll be back on Sunday. Mar 21 11:01:01 Italodance: sorry I snapped at you... i've been up for close to 24 hours so i get extra frustrated when I have to repeat things :( Mar 21 11:01:12 anyways, good luck with that Mar 21 11:02:04 * lcuk clicks on rm_you and turns down his tiredness level with the advanced backlight volume tiredness control Mar 21 11:03:15 * rm_you|Austin feels less tired Mar 21 11:03:16 * rm_you|Austin actually leaves Mar 21 11:03:25 cya later have a good trip Mar 21 11:03:46 see ya next fall! Mar 21 11:03:49 HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mar 21 11:04:53 mornin pup Mar 21 11:09:02 umm 512*280 can read on n800? Mar 21 11:09:43 ok m_you|Austin good luck and have a nice day Mar 21 11:10:09 I think I'm going blind - how do I upload HTML files to my Garage project home page? Mar 21 11:25:22 Spakman: commit them to www subdirectory in SVN Mar 21 11:31:53 kulve: is there a way to do it if I don't use the Garage VCS? Mar 21 11:32:07 Probably not, but I don't know for sure Mar 21 11:32:14 cool - thanks :) Mar 21 12:52:00 512 x 288 can play on mplayer without any problem? Mar 21 12:53:15 no Mar 21 12:53:29 depends on the bitrate Mar 21 13:00:18 Italodance: i believe rm_you|Austin gave you some useful information about the dimensions Mar 21 13:00:24 maybe read over it again Mar 21 13:02:55 ok Mar 21 13:21:05 hi!, can someone tell me how can i load a new IAP profiles (/var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/$ESSID/%gconf.xml) without restart nokia device?? Mar 21 13:22:34 hi Mar 21 13:30:36 hi Mar 21 13:45:39 done Mar 21 13:46:26 HD 512x288 25.00fps is working very good on my mplayer! Mar 21 13:46:28 :D Mar 21 13:46:39 i think bluray encode too Mar 21 14:09:35 so , can someone tell me if where I can find easter eggs? Mar 21 14:10:49 keesj: I hope it is 3D support ;) Mar 21 14:11:19 <||cw> um, 512x288 is not HD Mar 21 14:11:52 <||cw> ???x720 or better is HD Mar 21 14:12:15 wasn't 3D reserved for 1 april? Mar 21 14:12:33 <||cw> speaking of technicalities, the FCC modified their definition, "broadband" now has to be 786kbps or faster Mar 21 14:12:50 <||cw> up from 200k Mar 21 14:12:57 hehe Mar 21 14:12:58 (rotfl) Mar 21 14:13:29 so my current connection isn't one anymore? Mar 21 14:18:48 Damn! n810 has got into a white Nokia screen loop - won't turn on. Mar 21 14:19:34 ccooke: Did you upgrade your device to the newest firmware yet? Mar 21 14:19:44 X-Fade_: as soon as it came out Mar 21 14:20:05 ccooke: Hmm, I was hoping it was the bootloader bug.. Mar 21 14:20:25 I just swapped batteries with my wife, since I'm heading out into town and she isn't. Mar 21 14:20:34 (and I forgot to charge last night) Mar 21 14:21:21 So it can be that the battery is just empty? Mar 21 14:21:41 No. Mar 21 14:21:50 Or did you test that one before you left? :) Mar 21 14:21:53 the battery I swapped *out* was nearly empty Mar 21 14:22:16 the battery I swapped *in* is full - she was using it at the time and it had been charging all night Mar 21 14:22:23 time to reflash Mar 21 14:22:25 I suppose you don't have a charger handy? Mar 21 14:22:39 X-Fade_: handy, sure. Outside the house? Er. No. Mar 21 14:23:09 Is there any way to get a diagnostic screen up on the device? Mar 21 14:23:11 Well, I wanted to test if it did boot up automatically when the charger was connected.. Mar 21 14:25:06 maybe your flash got corrupted? Mar 21 14:25:35 ccooke: So you do see the Nokia logo and then it turns off? Mar 21 14:25:42 My thought is that one of the flash drives needs to be fsckd Mar 21 14:25:59 X-Fade_: yes. Mar 21 14:26:09 But not the progress bar? Mar 21 14:26:22 Nope Mar 21 14:26:34 Try holding the power button longer. Mar 21 14:27:58 ccooke, do you have autoconnect on and ssh installed? Mar 21 14:28:21 never heard of autoconnect, but ssh is installed Mar 21 14:28:23 GeneralAntilles: It won't go past the bootloader. Mar 21 14:28:28 Ah! progress bar Mar 21 14:28:32 How odd! Mar 21 14:28:48 Hmm. I think I understand. Mar 21 14:28:58 ccooke: You need to hold the powerbutton longer sometimes.. Mar 21 14:29:12 1.5 seconds Mar 21 14:29:28 X-Fade_: ... Longer than ten seconds? Mar 21 14:29:37 ccooke: No, that is enough ;) Mar 21 14:29:46 in this case, it seemed to only boot when it had external power. Mar 21 14:29:56 Maybe some "you've inserted a new battery" check... Mar 21 14:30:19 Cord: Sounds a lot like the bootloader problem.. Mar 21 14:30:25 ehm ccook.. Mar 21 14:30:26 Thanks for the advice... Mar 21 14:31:08 X-Fade_: I never had the bootloader problem, so I didn't pay much attention - what is it? Mar 21 14:31:22 ccooke: Device won't turn on ;) Mar 21 14:31:41 There was no response AT ALL with that bug, though. Mar 21 14:32:24 GeneralAntilles: indeed, but sometimes connecting a charger helped. Mar 21 14:33:08 Sure, but if it's turning the backlight on, then it's not the NOLO bug. Mar 21 14:58:34 is there a way to sync the n810 address book with a 6120? Mar 21 15:05:03 f_mohr: what you do is this Mar 21 15:05:21 open the address book on your 6210 and n810 Mar 21 15:05:53 for each address on your 6210, examine the details and enter them on your n810 Mar 21 15:05:58 see, simple :) Mar 21 15:06:02 :-) Mar 21 15:07:08 hi, can i set the canola youtube plugin to stream the higher quality streams from youtube? Mar 21 15:08:33 hi, anyone here tried to build anstrom for nokia770? I wonder how I can create my own initramfs Mar 21 15:09:00 darx_: i've been wondering that as well. seems like it downloads them, right? Mar 21 15:11:44 wait, no - it's streaming this other one Mar 21 15:11:52 MangoFusion: it streams Mar 21 15:12:14 must have been a dodgy video before Mar 21 15:12:25 youtube has recently started streaming higher quality vids recently Mar 21 15:12:52 ah i see Mar 21 15:12:59 i was wondering if its possible to configure the canola youtube plugin to stream the higher quality ones instead Mar 21 15:13:34 would HQ even playback at an acceptable speed on an 810? Mar 21 15:13:45 / 800 Mar 21 15:13:56 if you add &fmt=18 to the end of the normal URL, you get the higher quality version Mar 21 15:15:35 i was wondering if canola youtube plugin can be made to do that Mar 21 15:20:04 not seen anything specific in the options in the ui, so who knows =/ Mar 21 15:23:57 yup.. does it have a configuration text file or something? Mar 21 15:29:29 sadly no idea =( Mar 21 15:36:50 does anyone know which kernel module the touchscreen in the nokia 770 needs? Mar 21 16:23:41 hrm Mar 21 16:23:57 the N800 isn't switching to speakers when I unplug my headphones Mar 21 16:27:29 Hi everyone! I've just upraded to os2008. Now I'm trying to install FBReader and I get an error message - hildon-libs0 not found. Where do I get it? Mar 21 16:27:42 o.O Mar 21 16:29:02 is it the correct package? Mar 21 16:29:05 i mean fbreader Mar 21 16:29:47 I belive, yes. From theit own repository.. Mar 21 16:29:57 *their Mar 21 16:30:17 i remember mine installed without any additional libs Mar 21 16:30:24 but i did manual installation Mar 21 16:30:48 thats and idea, will try it Mar 21 16:31:00 thanx black cat Mar 21 16:31:03 np Mar 21 16:31:55 kot, do you code in c Mar 21 16:32:11 lcuk, a little Mar 21 16:32:19 never worked on debian, .deb packages are installed with apt-get? Mar 21 16:32:32 apt-get is automatic install Mar 21 16:32:36 dpkg -i is manual Mar 21 16:32:42 tnx Mar 21 16:32:45 but you can try apt-get too Mar 21 16:33:56 im trying to build in an easy way to identify code modules compiled into the program. what i dont want to do however is have to go to a central file each time (beyond the makefile which i have to) and add their main function to a table of available init functions Mar 21 16:34:26 umm what's mplayer plugin? Mar 21 16:34:55 same sort of idea italo but those are external modules - i could identify those at runtime by recursing a folder Mar 21 16:35:32 hum Mar 21 16:36:27 can you make table of init functions dynamic? Mar 21 16:36:52 yes but i have to put init code into a single function Mar 21 16:37:36 its not like *cough* .net or even vb - i cant get hold of the class definitions at runtime to enumerate my inits Mar 21 16:38:00 you will have to know how to call your modules' init Mar 21 16:38:06 though Mar 21 16:38:19 yes, i will use a standard api for that Mar 21 16:38:34 steal the code from xmms Mar 21 16:38:37 then Mar 21 16:38:37 ;) Mar 21 16:38:41 whats xmms? Mar 21 16:38:48 gtk1 media player Mar 21 16:38:53 winamp clone Mar 21 16:39:09 has a plugins system Mar 21 16:39:15 lcuk_2: considered using dlopen or g_module_open to load your modules/plugins? Mar 21 16:39:38 loading external plugins works fine - i could handle loading the object modules fairly simply Mar 21 16:39:55 i am on about having some modules built in because they share things Mar 21 16:40:04 if i cant do it simply ill just use plugins :) Mar 21 16:40:48 ah, so you want to make a shared lib? :> Mar 21 16:41:34 yer :) its ok ill just add init refs into the main handler Mar 21 16:42:54 what i was thinking would be uncontrolable - in the visual languages ive got used to dropping things in simpler than in c Mar 21 16:43:24 * lcuk_2 doesnt like manually creating files editing makefile etc Mar 21 16:43:47 use python then? Mar 21 16:43:48 :> Mar 21 16:43:50 lol Mar 21 16:44:03 or a decent ide and a better buildsystem? :) Mar 21 16:44:13 i did at first - i got my remote control working, then i moved onto my sketch pad but found the update too slow Mar 21 16:44:23 lol jott, easier said than done Mar 21 16:44:28 dont like exclipse Mar 21 16:44:30 make a binary lib for python? Mar 21 16:44:46 yer but i like having c around me now - it feels like home :) Mar 21 16:44:46 Hey Black cat, thanx again manual installation worked ) Mar 21 16:46:17 for the first time since 1999 i have not opened vb to play with code (since january now). a blank idea now starts with #include Mar 21 16:47:16 yuck.. vb Mar 21 16:47:18 * jott shudders Mar 21 16:47:40 methadone after my amiga died. Mar 21 16:48:29 vb does everything and integrates well and the ide is a dream. Mar 21 16:48:53 ivan: good :) Mar 21 16:49:32 but vb's syntax is brain damaging Mar 21 16:49:33 :) Mar 21 16:50:00 agreed Mar 21 16:50:01 after i hacked a little in asp i had troubles writing in c Mar 21 16:50:02 :> Mar 21 16:50:53 im just rusty with my c Mar 21 16:50:58 luckily last time i had to write vb/asp was 8 years ago :) Mar 21 16:53:50 is googlepages a reasonable enough homepage platform? Mar 21 16:54:18 lcuk_2: you could use gambas :) (never tried personally but seems to be mature) Mar 21 16:54:20 or rather, where would you recommend i get some webspace from Mar 21 16:54:23 i just use thttpd and dyndns Mar 21 16:54:24 :) Mar 21 16:54:51 i noticed kot but i want reliable and os/computer independant - if i am offline i dont want my files to not be Mar 21 16:54:54 * jott pokes KotCzarny with a lighttpd .) Mar 21 16:55:27 jott: nah, thttpd does what it has to do and compiles fine :) Mar 21 16:55:29 i dont wanna have to remember to install a service and ensure data is there Mar 21 16:55:43 what't to want more? Mar 21 16:56:09 lcuk: i noticed that my laptop is almost always online Mar 21 16:56:34 and figured out i'll just use it as a file server :) Mar 21 16:56:46 multiple machines here and its just not worth the messing hacking the router to have info - i iwll just find somewhere online Mar 21 16:56:47 my n810 is also almost always online .. that could beat maemo.org perfomance wise ;) Mar 21 16:56:54 lol Mar 21 16:57:02 my 810 wont stay offline Mar 21 16:57:17 see .. perfect webserver ;) Mar 21 16:57:23 it has a mind of its own - ill disable it at night and in the morning its back on - im sure it goes porn surfing when im not there Mar 21 16:57:26 low power consumption and fast enough Mar 21 16:57:33 as long as your wifi stays on ;) Mar 21 16:57:34 skynet Mar 21 16:57:36 (its set to ask by the way) Mar 21 16:57:54 skynet involves flying 810s - mine is staying safe in its cradle Mar 21 16:58:34 then just tape 810s to a balloons Mar 21 16:58:39 and make a mesh network Mar 21 16:58:40 ;) Mar 21 16:58:40 causing epilepsy and nausea by flashing the nokia handshake thing (its annoying) at you Mar 21 16:59:09 always hated it when my old phone played it on startup and had to jam buttons to get past it :P Mar 21 16:59:14 I once networked via pigeons. got a lousy round trip time, though. Mar 21 16:59:31 i hate pigeons. Mar 21 16:59:36 packet loss is bad round here too - we have too many cats Mar 21 17:00:08 and when pigeon drops a packet you have to clean it up yourself Mar 21 17:00:17 if it happens on your balcony Mar 21 17:00:42 yer - why couldnt they be written in java - at least it would be self cleaning Mar 21 17:01:09 * lcuk_2 throws coffee at the next pigeon he sees Mar 21 17:08:16 is there a way to logout of maemo as a user, or a way to have user profiles? Mar 21 17:08:28 remove cookies Mar 21 17:08:29 :) Mar 21 17:08:29 ie - a quick way to alter the settings for multiple users Mar 21 17:08:39 no - i mean more like app list etc Mar 21 17:08:53 firefox has a custom button for clearing cookies for a site Mar 21 17:08:57 suppose i wanted to use star trek theme my missus would hate it Mar 21 17:09:14 she browses the web on it, i dont Mar 21 17:09:31 (much - its sluggish at best) Mar 21 17:10:34 it doesnt suit my way of surfing - but its a good info source - i like lots of tabs quickly and easily - maybe detecting a double tap instead of having to hold and slide to the menu Mar 21 17:11:10 the link stays visible for a couple of seconds anyway whilst its thinking, so if it detects a second tap then it should just open a new page Mar 21 17:11:11 <||cw> i odn't htink ther eis any interface for that, it's designed to be a one user system Mar 21 17:11:59 i wonder what it would take to adjust it and add the login screens Mar 21 17:12:14 local proxy? Mar 21 17:12:30 i dunno, im just thinking out loud Mar 21 17:12:36 me too Mar 21 17:13:03 i know my app menu would be totally different to the missus - i have book reader and code and xchat etc - she plays games and internet Mar 21 17:13:25 i think right now maemo is single user Mar 21 17:13:45 so everythink you think of will be a hack Mar 21 17:13:47 and i would have it logging out when its locked - quick and simple then to change user :) Mar 21 17:14:07 <||cw> well, you'd need to add a login screen to the X server for one, that may or may not be easy Mar 21 17:14:15 yer i know - i wonder if it would be enough to just allow the menu to change Mar 21 17:14:26 yup Mar 21 17:14:32 <||cw> the base OS surely supports it Mar 21 17:14:34 menu is a file on fs Mar 21 17:14:35 cw, even if it didnt actually log out - and just held a list of menus Mar 21 17:14:54 if you can cause your app to move files around it could work Mar 21 17:14:55 if it couldnt exactly change the theme it wouldnt be that bad Mar 21 17:15:05 yer thats the thinking Mar 21 17:15:15 even just a quick desktop button, choose profile Mar 21 17:15:26 but changing theme takes some time Mar 21 17:15:32 but can be triggered too Mar 21 17:15:36 i think Mar 21 17:15:47 yer it could, you might select that as an option "keep current theme" Mar 21 17:16:12 it would save time - just a quick tap - tap and the menus are yours again Mar 21 17:17:03 it could even be auto configuring - when you do change user it just persists current menus on current user, then loads the ones for the new user Mar 21 17:17:24 any changes made whilst as a specific user will be saved with him for next time Mar 21 17:17:45 infact, thinking like that makes it a simple process Mar 21 17:17:53 just get another tablet - problem solved ;) Mar 21 17:17:56 you could even backup/restore favorites Mar 21 17:18:04 yer but thats £300 Mar 21 17:18:13 :) Mar 21 17:18:19 but you could play bt games Mar 21 17:18:20 ;) Mar 21 17:18:31 i would rather play real games :) Mar 21 17:18:42 sometimes you can't Mar 21 17:18:43 ;) Mar 21 17:18:54 i was playing trains with youngest earlier - hes obsessed Mar 21 17:18:55 you could do nice video chats :) Mar 21 17:19:22 ..across the room Mar 21 17:19:23 ;) Mar 21 17:19:33 lol my thinking exactly Mar 21 17:19:35 no need to scream anymore :) Mar 21 17:19:51 home video messaging system? Mar 21 17:19:51 :> Mar 21 17:20:06 hiiii honey, dinner's ready Mar 21 17:20:10 ;) Mar 21 17:21:06 this tablet is just a house computer Mar 21 17:21:14 it sits around and is picked up by anyone Mar 21 17:21:27 make it personal computer and get more of them ,) Mar 21 17:21:45 finger reader? Mar 21 17:21:46 ;) Mar 21 17:21:47 its not an option right now Mar 21 17:21:50 face recognition? Mar 21 17:21:57 facial recognition Mar 21 17:21:58 lol Mar 21 17:22:22 i already have it in mind to use the camera for faces Mar 21 17:22:45 when i create a new user i am going to get their name from keyboard + screen + camera :) Mar 21 17:23:10 hmm i might even get them to say hello Mar 21 17:23:36 :O i wonder if i can read mii character files? Mar 21 17:23:45 :) Mar 21 17:23:50 lol Mar 21 17:24:00 building up a profile using information around me Mar 21 17:24:20 gps your life Mar 21 17:24:26 lol Mar 21 17:25:03 gps log april 14th 2008: connecting... Mar 21 17:25:08 gps log april 14th 2023: still connecting... Mar 21 17:25:25 no sonny, you are not me sitting in your room, and that photo won't fool me Mar 21 17:25:26 :) Mar 21 17:25:26 gps log april 14th 2053: hell, we are worse than real... Mar 21 17:26:31 have you seen the fully depth perceptive camera - its built up of thousands of lenses so it can calc distance Mar 21 17:26:49 expensive? Mar 21 17:26:50 :) Mar 21 17:27:38 http://in.news.yahoo.com/indiaabroad/20080320/r_t_ians_sc/tsc-amazing-super-3-d-camera-to-revoluti-1bdf89b.html Mar 21 17:27:39 lol Mar 21 17:28:50 just get a pmd camera.. it's not that expensive ;) Mar 21 17:42:48 is there any device comparable to the n810 but with a gsm module? Mar 21 17:43:11 iphone Mar 21 17:43:24 anything else? Mar 21 17:43:26 htc universal Mar 21 17:43:29 with linux hacked Mar 21 17:43:31 n810+cell phone Mar 21 17:44:15 there will be a bunch of smartphones soon Mar 21 17:44:16 openmoko with hurd kernel :P Mar 21 17:44:43 and duke nukem forever preinstalled :p Mar 21 17:44:52 neo freerunner more :) Mar 21 17:44:56 ha ha Mar 21 17:46:50 but i guess htc universal is the only viable option at the moment... Mar 21 17:47:29 neo freerunner will come out end april hopefully... ca. 90% certainty if you ask me :) Mar 21 17:48:10 let's hope battery lasts longer than a couple of hours then :) Mar 21 17:48:48 jott: heh, atm it lasts 8h running afaik Mar 21 17:52:36 the throbbing led on the top left of an 810 - does the 800 have something similar? what does the 800 do if i coded it in? Mar 21 17:53:08 n800 has dpad led too Mar 21 17:53:13 but only 1 color Mar 21 17:53:14 lcuk_2: n800 has just a blue one not a fancy rgb one Mar 21 17:53:21 and you can only control it's brightness Mar 21 17:53:34 and probably controls are different a little Mar 21 17:53:54 hmm Mar 21 17:54:14 * lcuk_2 screws up that idea and aims it at the bin Mar 21 17:54:19 hm an ambient light sensor would be fun :) Mar 21 17:54:56 my 810 has same ambient sensor as 800 - its got a sticker over it Mar 21 17:55:01 take a picture and take average color or some other statistical value and color the led by it :) Mar 21 17:55:12 i mean full ambient .) Mar 21 17:55:14 not just brightness Mar 21 17:55:55 for n800 you will have to drill a hole for a camera Mar 21 17:56:18 or superglue the popout out Mar 21 17:56:43 nah, i hate if it will stick out all the time Mar 21 17:56:54 *would Mar 21 18:05:20 wouldn't it have been sweet had the n810 had a gsm module? Mar 21 18:05:35 i'd kill someone just for that Mar 21 18:05:51 buy one with usb interface.. Mar 21 18:06:07 or just bt phone... Mar 21 18:06:10 yeah Mar 21 18:06:11 or get a tiny bluetooth phone :) Mar 21 18:06:13 even cleaner is just use a phone Mar 21 18:06:17 I don't see any reason for a gsm module.. Mar 21 18:06:18 :> Mar 21 18:06:45 technically it would be cool Mar 21 18:06:45 kulve: not just gsm data but even voice as well Mar 21 18:06:50 that would be bliss Mar 21 18:06:52 or if you really really must, but usb-pcmcia adapter and pcmcia gsm module Mar 21 18:06:52 built in umts would be handy Mar 21 18:06:53 :> Mar 21 18:07:21 or just do some neat hardware mod :) Mar 21 18:07:22 i think the next model has to include something like this Mar 21 18:07:35 they won't do it Mar 21 18:07:36 probably wimax crap.. availability 0% :/ Mar 21 18:07:41 they hate us linux folks Mar 21 18:08:32 i don't think openmoko will ever come out. Mar 21 18:08:40 there is too much at stake for the networks Mar 21 18:08:45 they'd kill it Mar 21 18:08:46 the neo freerunner is 2g, useless Mar 21 18:09:02 ah Mar 21 18:09:35 havent google just won open access to some of the airwaves Mar 21 18:09:42 no they haven't Mar 21 18:10:14 the clause is in place though - google didnt get the license but made the change required Mar 21 18:11:06 I think India is the only country where the people are free from the networks. Mar 21 18:11:29 nobody buys contract phones in india Mar 21 18:12:01 also they have quite a few state owned networks as well Mar 21 18:12:51 heh http://cs.joensuu.fi/~mmeri/usbraid/ Mar 21 18:13:19 not as funny as the solaris zfs video :) Mar 21 18:13:35 <||cw> lcuk_2: no, google just feels that their bid helped push the bid over the reserve for open access to be required Mar 21 18:14:16 <||cw> it very well may have happened wihtout google's bid though Mar 21 18:14:17 so.. without google the bidding might not have gone over and access wouldnt be required.. Mar 21 18:14:30 <||cw> we'll never know Mar 21 18:14:36 ya Mar 21 18:14:47 lcuk_2: http://mediacast.sun.com/share/constantin/csi_muc_en.mp4 Mar 21 18:14:50 <||cw> google is certainly taking the opportunity to pat themselves on the back though Mar 21 18:15:50 zfs is nice :) Mar 21 18:16:27 well i'll know when it downloads, tho since this is irc i am also turning the volume down and preparing for the worst Mar 21 18:17:08 nothing offensive.. it's promoted by sun :) Mar 21 18:17:18 lcuk_2: you can stream Mar 21 18:17:47 yer, ff just offered save by default Mar 21 18:18:06 just open the link with a media player Mar 21 18:18:21 plenty of bit space tho so it can live with my crap - its already half done now, no point in going over old ground Mar 21 18:18:29 cool Mar 21 18:18:55 dang.. it stutters for me when buffering. Mar 21 18:19:01 lol.. Mar 21 18:19:02 ill watch after tea :) Mar 21 18:19:09 without stutter ;) Mar 21 18:21:25 its the server. they've rate limited it Mar 21 18:22:45 hmmm.. i get 1.3M/s from it :o Mar 21 18:27:06 jott: maybe its just me Mar 21 18:27:21 :-P Mar 21 18:45:14 I'm a bit confused here, the menu icon I'm using has been changed with an updated package I installed, but the icon in the menu doesn't change, it's still an older smaller version. Mar 21 18:45:34 through reboot, complete uninstall/reinstall rather than update, etc Mar 21 18:45:57 copying the icon file to .images and opening it in the image viewer shows it's the correct size Mar 21 18:47:20 gtk has an icon cache, iirc Mar 21 18:47:28 there's some command you can run to update it Mar 21 18:47:36 I don't remember any specifics :( Mar 21 18:48:10 gtk-update-icon-cache Mar 21 18:52:41 hmm, that command isnt changing anything Mar 21 19:31:47 because you have to add -f dir Mar 21 19:31:48 to it Mar 21 20:12:58 are there any apps that stream mms feeds? Mar 21 20:13:37 jga23: streamtuner Mar 21 20:16:07 for those who like my artwork.... Mar 21 20:16:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=158472#post158472 Mar 21 20:16:35 mtpaint is ok... Mar 21 20:22:38 I'm pretty new to maemo - I've read over the Maemo 4.0 tutorial and How-to but may have missed something - how do I build and flash the entire OS image (bootloader, kernel, initFS, RFS) from the Maemo SDK? Mar 21 20:23:47 tharvey: can't do that Mar 21 20:24:04 tharvey: you can only flash with the flasher program Mar 21 20:24:05 especially bootloader part Mar 21 20:24:09 it's closed source Mar 21 20:24:23 and mostly is the initfs too Mar 21 20:24:31 ah... ok, kernel as well? Mar 21 20:24:34 tharvey: you can flash a FIASCO image, which contains kernel, initfs, rootfs and 2 bins iirc Mar 21 20:24:37 kernel is open Mar 21 20:24:41 but has binary blobs Mar 21 20:25:00 edistar, whats a FIASCO image? Mar 21 20:25:01 only the wlan related modules, but that doesn't limit much Mar 21 20:25:09 tharvey: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage/ read here.. further down Mar 21 20:25:18 fiasco is a blob containing the parts (kernel, rootfs, etc) Mar 21 20:25:45 cool ok Mar 21 20:25:47 you can also flash all of those parts separately Mar 21 20:25:53 ie. initfs/kernel/rootfs Mar 21 20:26:05 can you build a fiasco the the open source 0xffff flasher? Mar 21 20:26:05 tharvey: e.g. you could build an angstrom kernel/rootfs and flash it Mar 21 20:26:13 so the 'how to become root' thing talks about opening an Xterm - I assume you install xterm as a part of that correct? Mar 21 20:26:28 kulve: i used fanoush's script that simply uses mtdtools Mar 21 20:26:28 :) Mar 21 20:26:37 tharvey: you install xterm later on, from the application manager Mar 21 20:26:51 tharvey: you will be better off with ssh server Mar 21 20:26:52 :> Mar 21 20:27:31 tharvey: to become root use the gainroot or change the /etc/sudoers file so that you can sudo -i whenever needed Mar 21 20:27:35 ssh server is cool... I'll do it that way. Right now for some reason I can't get WiFi access so I'm just reading/taking notes until I can get to a different AP Mar 21 20:27:54 ad-hoc wifi doesn't work? Mar 21 20:28:38 does r&d mode use more battery life? Mar 21 20:28:46 so I'm trying to understand - maemo is the OS that Nokia ships on these right? So its 'open' but not entirely (ie closed bootloader, some kernel/fs obs closed) - so is gaining root 'hacking' the device or is it just part of the openess of the tablet? Mar 21 20:29:01 tharvey: well.. it's kind of hacking Mar 21 20:29:25 tharvey: there isn't an official statement by nokia how to do it Mar 21 20:29:27 KotCzarny, well, I can associate with an AP in my office with WEP, but strangely I can't open any web pages... not sure whats up with it - was going to try another AP in case our office one is bunged up Mar 21 20:29:43 tharvey: maybe it's your ap config? Mar 21 20:29:51 tharvey: I guess it's DNS.. Mar 21 20:29:52 or office firewall? Mar 21 20:30:04 KotCzarny, thats what I'm assuming - and I don't have access to the AP - so I'll try mine at home Mar 21 20:30:11 I once had my n770 not update the nameserver Mar 21 20:30:13 try pinging by ip Mar 21 20:30:26 ap and some outher sites Mar 21 20:30:30 KotCzarny: don't you need to be root to ping? Mar 21 20:30:38 i don't know Mar 21 20:30:42 ok.. Mar 21 20:30:46 depends how ping is installed Mar 21 20:30:56 if it's suid .. Mar 21 20:30:57 :) Mar 21 20:31:21 my n770 is not functioning right now.. angstrom image that doesn't recognize touchscreen :P but I'm build a different kernel right now.. so I can't test ping Mar 21 20:31:37 KotCzarny: I think the user doesn't have it in $PATH Mar 21 20:31:40 but I don't know Mar 21 20:32:40 thanks for the info peeps! Mar 21 20:32:54 * KotCzarny is a cat, not a peep. Mar 21 20:32:58 :) Mar 21 20:38:30 Hello Mar 21 21:20:58 anyone with knowledge of python, gui app and hildonized toolbar? Mar 21 21:23:01 aloha, tablet comrades Mar 21 21:23:32 Hi Mar 21 21:24:17 Anyone playing with the Canola 2 beta? I get a "ImportError: libXfixes.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" error and was wondering if anyone had an idea of how to fix this Mar 21 21:24:40 what os? Mar 21 21:25:02 IT2006 Mar 21 21:25:05 Using a N770 Mar 21 21:25:19 that could explain libs incompatibility Mar 21 21:25:45 maybe you should try os2008he ? Mar 21 21:25:46 That's a shame, I was really looking forward to Canola 2 Mar 21 21:26:06 maybe they have version for 2006 too? Mar 21 21:26:35 They definitely list IT2006 compatibility: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install.html Mar 21 21:26:59 then maybe you downloaded wrong version? Mar 21 21:27:07 or they miscompiled it? Mar 21 21:27:20 yeah, possible I guess :) I'll write in the Canola forum Mar 21 21:27:33 os2006 is quite old.. Mar 21 21:28:22 I have a pretty nice card boot and customization set up, I'm trying not to go through the pain of a reflash unless I have to :) Mar 21 21:28:36 :) Mar 21 21:34:42 bread band Mar 21 21:36:17 yllus: canola is a little slow on the n770 Mar 21 21:36:23 hey all.. I have a small question (if there's anyone here who can answer it) Mar 21 21:36:42 yllus: and it2007he looks much cooler on the n770 :) Mar 21 21:36:47 hehe Mar 21 21:36:50 maba: go ahead Mar 21 21:37:04 I'm creating a deb package for a project I'm working on, and it depends on libsoup.. how can I make the application manager install libsoup? Mar 21 21:37:15 I have libsoup listed as a dependency in the control file Mar 21 21:37:16 just depend on it? Mar 21 21:37:30 maba: then it should install it Mar 21 21:37:32 I don't mind slow too much, I just want it to install :O Mar 21 21:37:34 apt-get should install all deps if they're available Mar 21 21:37:41 yes, it should Mar 21 21:37:47 but it doesn't :) Mar 21 21:37:56 maybe cause libsoup is a system package? Mar 21 21:37:58 then maybe it's not available in defined repos Mar 21 21:41:16 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libs/libsoup/ Mar 21 21:41:20 it's there Mar 21 21:41:26 extras isn't enabled by default Mar 21 21:41:39 but it's enabled on my device :) Mar 21 21:42:03 and my package is installable if I enable red pill mode, install libsoup manually and then install my package Mar 21 21:45:22 maybe if I'm depending on a package that isn't in the user section, I have to create a .install file? Mar 21 21:45:25 or something Mar 21 21:45:39 hum Mar 21 21:45:46 or just add info on your site Mar 21 21:45:52 or just build statically Mar 21 21:45:53 :> Mar 21 21:46:39 KotCzarny: not very user friendly to have the user enable red pill mode and all that :) Mar 21 21:47:04 as i said, just link that lib statically Mar 21 21:47:05 :) Mar 21 21:47:15 or repackage it Mar 21 21:47:15 :> Mar 21 21:47:24 KotCzarny: it's not meant to be user friendly. It's not supported and may break stuff Mar 21 21:47:32 or nag author to put it into user/ section Mar 21 21:47:41 well, it should be doable in another way Mar 21 21:48:21 I guess libsoup isn't that usable on its own Mar 21 21:48:39 so it shouldn't be in the user section Mar 21 21:51:19 so, noone with a _real_ solution? :) Mar 21 21:59:31 aha, this probably explains it: Failed to fetch http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/repository-beta2/770/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz 404 Not Found Mar 21 21:59:39 Anyone know the proper URL? Mar 21 22:09:35 hi Mar 21 22:10:37 problem with rdesktop.. possible to get any other keyboard layot to it... it has US one i think.. i could use finnish.. Mar 21 22:12:09 <||cw> doens't it just use what the host uses? Mar 21 22:14:49 nope... if i type to web browser it uses finnish layout Mar 21 22:15:04 like / is hard to use with that rdesktop Mar 21 22:15:10 hehe Mar 21 22:15:37 and any oher mix Mar 21 22:15:51 other key from mixed kb.. :D Mar 21 22:15:52 can you switch desktop to us kb? Mar 21 22:16:25 and i think you can set tablet to finnish kb too Mar 21 22:17:14 i thik it uses finnish layout cuz it gives keys out it suppose to.. everywhere else but in rdesktop Mar 21 22:17:35 you can try vnc.. Mar 21 22:17:36 rdesktop uses US layout for some reason Mar 21 22:17:52 if anything else fails :) Mar 21 22:17:55 sure i can.. but it requires installin server Mar 21 22:18:08 tightvnc is a free one Mar 21 22:18:11 and easy to setup Mar 21 22:18:12 :) Mar 21 22:18:25 Hrm, I really wonder what's going on with texrat and his internal blogging. Mar 21 22:25:59 http://youtube.com/watch?v=7K4veJMCM_Q Nokia R&D showing off accelerated OpenGL ES on N810, 2:06 and 2:09-2:13 in the video Mar 21 22:26:09 mmm Mar 21 22:26:29 but it was posted already? Mar 21 22:26:37 yeah some ppl might have missed it Mar 21 22:26:44 ah, ok Mar 21 22:26:45 :) Mar 21 22:26:47 i missed it Mar 21 22:26:51 very nice Mar 21 22:26:54 pupnik: start a blog? :> Mar 21 22:27:07 i'm here so i don't need to read blogs Mar 21 22:27:37 glass, so how do we get them to share it? :) Mar 21 22:27:56 pupnik: dunno. violence pops to mind Mar 21 22:28:01 hahahaha Mar 21 22:28:09 violence against international corp? Mar 21 22:28:11 bad idea Mar 21 22:28:12 :> Mar 21 22:28:29 Well i will write a begging email now Mar 21 22:28:44 a little letter bomb always brings things to attention Mar 21 22:29:02 or uploads all their harddrives to p2p Mar 21 22:29:23 hah Mar 21 22:30:01 it doesnt ring true that all processing is occuring on the 810 -> the sketch app displays at fullscreen without showing maemo borders. the ogl anim is full detailed on big screen and laughably simple on maemo Mar 21 22:30:44 i think its a set of mirrored programs running on a proper machine rather than hard processing for 2 displays Mar 21 22:32:20 The PowerVR is either in the USB dongle or the dongle on the TV. Mar 21 22:32:27 As far as I've been able to gather, anyway. Mar 21 22:33:33 lcuk: still, could be a nice app to have Mar 21 22:33:48 especially if they add divx decoding :> Mar 21 22:34:21 at the start he plugs it into the standard nokia usb cable which (i assume) goes into a usb hub on the monitor (or under it). the monitor data cable itself falls to the ground as if it was going to a tower box - if he just connected it into a usb display dongle the monitor data cable would curl back up into the dongle Mar 21 22:35:43 (incidentally, i sit my nokia under the monitor like that) Mar 21 22:35:54 I was going on more what was said than random crap from the YouTube video. :P Mar 21 22:35:56 lcuk_2: your analysis looks correct. Also the resolutions of the scrolling images in the picture viewer are different Mar 21 22:35:57 http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/fiona/general/gateway_jeff_final._V9648910_.jpg Mar 21 22:35:58 lol Mar 21 22:36:24 I think it's funny that there is allegedly not enough bandwidth to use the on board powerVR but something like that is attempted Mar 21 22:36:38 Why, Tama^2? Mar 21 22:38:02 does canola have a file limit or is it just retarded by default? Mar 21 22:38:07 the framebuffer sits in regular memory, if we can fill that memory with data from anywhere it canl be displayed. its resolution can be altered to anything reasonable and the lcd handles it fine. it handles plenty of formats. nokia, why cant we have the .ko intended for the powervr? Mar 21 22:38:23 because I feel the hardware is so badly broken I am disappointed Mar 21 22:38:35 Cptnodegard, the term you're looking for is "beta". Mar 21 22:38:44 for the price of a kindle i'd take a N800 plus kbd Mar 21 22:38:48 external display is cool.. .but I want a fully working unit before I want nice extras available Mar 21 22:38:49 it keeps updating just some of the music in the watched folder Mar 21 22:39:11 General Antilles? Nice to see that Wedge got a promotion or two Mar 21 22:39:21 pup, so you would also be happy if it worked in black and white then? :D Mar 21 22:39:59 Extended universe, yllus. Mar 21 22:40:20 Tama^2, it's not like they can do anything about the bandwidth issues after manufacture Mar 21 22:40:28 and these guys don't really have anything to do with Nokia proper. Mar 21 22:40:28 I only got through the first bunch of books. When they introduced the dude who stole the Sun Crusher... meh. Mar 21 22:40:50 I know, mine is just "the cry of the disappointed geek"(tm) Mar 21 22:41:03 N900 will fix all. Mar 21 22:41:05 I know it. :D Mar 21 22:41:11 GeneralAntilles: will it have gsm? Mar 21 22:41:20 I fucking hope not. Mar 21 22:41:27 :D Mar 21 22:41:29 it's not even announced Mar 21 22:41:31 actually gen, the bandwidth isnt that much of a problem. running games at a lower resolution than your desktop has NEVER been seen as a bad thing - its almost expected. at lower res there is plenty of bandwidth Mar 21 22:41:37 yeah, right GA. it will bring world peace as well ;) Mar 21 22:41:46 Of course it will Mar 21 22:42:13 Everyone knows Nokia is capable of manufacturing peace from their assembly lines Mar 21 22:42:14 400*480 is a super compromise and still better than iphone Mar 21 22:42:17 yes. Airdrop N900s into the Gaza Strip and watch the love bloom Mar 21 22:42:27 lcuk_2, well, we really don't know what kind of issues the setup they're using introduce to getting the PowerVR to run properly. Mar 21 22:42:45 Plus, I've never considered resolution reduction a viable performance compromise on MY computer. :P Mar 21 22:43:10 thats a nice 320*200 desktop you must like to use then ;) Mar 21 22:43:29 :/ Mar 21 22:43:46 Er . . . sure. :\ Mar 21 22:43:55 powervr is just another coprocessor like the dsp Mar 21 22:44:03 it seems like Nokia will introduce a WiMAX-enabled version on April 1 at CTIA. So claims Boy Genius and his tipsters Mar 21 22:44:05 hehe Mar 21 22:44:14 april 1st is a bad time to announce anything Mar 21 22:44:14 :> Mar 21 22:44:31 it works well on the iphone, on the other n series devices and in lots of other places. why not here? Mar 21 22:44:47 We've been over this before. :P Mar 21 22:45:06 does anyone know, when you're using the scratchbox environment, are you able to connect to the internet using it? Or do you need to use an actual device? Mar 21 22:45:35 lcuk_2, anyway, especially with LCDs, resolution reduction is pretty stupid. Mar 21 22:45:37 and i will probably keep going over it until it gets attention. it really gets my goat that for no technical reason something which could make a dramatic difference to the user experience is left off Mar 21 22:45:39 jsoet: as long hosting machine is connected, then yes Mar 21 22:45:55 GeneralAntilles, i bet you cant even SEE one pixel properly Mar 21 22:45:58 Reducing quality settings is both more effective and less of a quality impact. Mar 21 22:46:07 Like when I try and connect using the conic library it just sends me a disconnected event saying that nothing was wrong and that it's just disconnected... is there something else I have to do other than just request a connection? Mar 21 22:46:20 lcuk: there's a difference seeing hires vid and pixeldoubled one Mar 21 22:46:23 lcuk_2: you're right, the GL apps on the N810 are only displaying a few polygons - i.e. the whale is displayed but no sharks, and there is only one building showin on the rotating green rectangle at 2:09 Mar 21 22:46:24 Yeah, lcuk_2, that kind of the point of having a high DPI. Mar 21 22:46:25 noticeable Mar 21 22:47:26 so where do I get NoBounds? Mar 21 22:47:29 jsoet: hum, does it depend on some service running? Mar 21 22:47:50 I honestly care little about 3D games or animations. I just want a smooth UI and no tearing Mar 21 22:47:58 Running an LCD at non-native resolutions just plain looks like shit. Mar 21 22:48:11 Well, that you wont get with this hardware, Tama^2. :P Mar 21 22:48:20 looks fine with mplayer GeneralAntilles Mar 21 22:48:20 so I can read without my eyes hurting Mar 21 22:48:41 GeneralAntilles, 400*480 isnt really none native, it just makes slightly fatter squarer pixels Mar 21 22:48:45 Videos are different, pupnik. Mar 21 22:48:46 Tama^2: yes some solution for faster scrolling of pages would be nice Mar 21 22:49:27 GeneralAntilles: pixel doubled games look fine to me also :/ Mar 21 22:49:35 My point was re your belief that resolution reduction is a viable method of performance compromise. :P Mar 21 22:49:52 Erm, any resolution that isn't divided by 2. Mar 21 22:49:54 for gaming it is Mar 21 22:49:54 pup: I would be even ready to accept 400x480 (with hw doubling) as standard if it helped Mar 21 22:49:58 1 pixel for 4 is fine Mar 21 22:50:32 but 1 pixel for 2.5 looks like crap. Mar 21 22:50:41 As the pixel edges get messed up. Mar 21 22:50:54 Yes, and who wants to read lo-res text - not me Mar 21 22:51:13 Tama^2++ Mar 21 22:51:20 O.o Mar 21 22:51:31 :) Mar 21 22:51:39 :/ Mar 21 22:51:51 you plus-plussed me :P Mar 21 22:51:52 no, it would be tama*tama*tama Mar 21 22:52:01 (Tama^2)++ Mar 21 22:52:04 I know I know Mar 21 22:52:11 then write the desktop to use full 800*480 YCbCr Mar 21 22:52:20 lcuk: xgl ? Mar 21 22:52:21 ;) Mar 21 22:52:33 xgl would be great with the pvr Mar 21 22:53:11 xv works now natively and has enough bandwidth to get a frame displayed, but there is a point if you feed it data too slowly it will tear - feed it even more and it drops frame smoothly Mar 21 22:53:13 getting metacity with wobble and rest of eyecandies running would rock Mar 21 22:53:14 :> Mar 21 22:53:35 yes, the iphone interface works because the pvr does the blitting Mar 21 22:53:48 and smooth as glass scrolling of webpages would be nice Mar 21 22:53:53 webkit Mar 21 22:54:08 glass scrolling is available now :) Mar 21 22:54:13 how about horizontal-lens zoom like? Mar 21 22:54:14 :> Mar 21 22:55:37 quickie, if i was just going to send a zip out with an exe a font and an example document where would you normally put it to test it? i know it wont run if extracted into mmc2 because thats not executable fs. Mar 21 22:55:46 horiz lens? Mar 21 22:56:20 lcuk_2: where is glass scrolling? Mar 21 22:56:21 lcuk, zoomed in the centre, zoomed out ad the top/bottom Mar 21 22:56:47 ive been copying all my exes to /usr/bin/liq/.... but where would you run them from? Mar 21 22:57:11 Windows user. :P Mar 21 22:57:13 /usr/local/s?bin is the place Mar 21 22:57:14 hey, neat. While I wasn't looking someone came out with "quiver". Now I'm going to have to use my 770 as a digital photo frame. Mar 21 22:57:15 edistar - its in that folder at present, i want to zip up a test app to send out Mar 21 22:57:19 /usr/local/bin personally. Mar 21 22:57:51 but its got the data along side it - this wont be installable, thats a whole other bridge to cross Mar 21 22:58:03 use a config file Mar 21 22:58:16 and make dep to put correct line into it Mar 21 22:58:20 at the install time Mar 21 22:58:36 that way binary can read it and it can be changed by user later Mar 21 22:58:43 would people rather i spent another few days learning about config files or would you like to see and try a little test? Mar 21 22:59:01 lcuk_2: test Mar 21 22:59:17 lcuk: they wouldn't have to learn anything Mar 21 22:59:26 you can prepare config file and put it into the package Mar 21 22:59:31 it only takes like an hour Mar 21 22:59:37 or just add echo line into postinstall Mar 21 22:59:40 that is, if you're slow >_> Mar 21 22:59:55 whoa now, i cant install anything Mar 21 22:59:59 :) Mar 21 23:00:25 How uh, what's glass scrolling :/ Mar 21 23:00:26 i have ZERO knowledge of this alien filesystem at present and i dunno what to do to get it started, i have been looking at other matters Mar 21 23:00:31 s/How/Now/ Mar 21 23:00:31 Navi meant: Now uh, what's glass scrolling :/ Mar 21 23:00:38 Ooh, forgot about the bot Mar 21 23:00:42 full 27fps fullscreen scrolling :) Mar 21 23:00:44 lcuk: learn from exampless Mar 21 23:00:49 :) Mar 21 23:00:52 lots to learn Mar 21 23:00:58 just unpack some other deb Mar 21 23:01:26 /usr/local/ is like /usr/, but made for unmanaged stuff (self-built stuff and such) Mar 21 23:01:59 well, it can be used for anything :P Mar 21 23:02:39 KotCzarny: I looked into it a bit and I guess libconic isn't implemented on scratchbox: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=1597 thanks for your help though Mar 21 23:02:52 ive never done anything like this before - i have install shield to do everything :S Mar 21 23:03:36 jsoet: oh, ok Mar 21 23:05:18 lcuk: i believe load-applet has some postinstall scripts Mar 21 23:05:25 you can steal them Mar 21 23:05:26 :> Mar 21 23:06:34 i dont wanna install anything - its expecting data to be in same folder and i dont wanna pollute any standard folders Mar 21 23:06:55 lcuk: then just use /usr/local/etc Mar 21 23:06:55 lcuk_2, learn about POSIX. :P Mar 21 23:06:56 :) Mar 21 23:06:56 * lcuk_2 is really nervous about putting stuff onto others computers Mar 21 23:07:28 lcuk: one note, /usr/local is for testing and everything that comes without packages Mar 21 23:07:40 if you prepare correct package it should use /usr Mar 21 23:08:04 so meak your app install to /usr/local/{etc,bin,share} Mar 21 23:08:33 *make Mar 21 23:08:55 for example /usr/local/bin/lcuk1 Mar 21 23:09:05 and /usr/local/share/lcuk1/ Mar 21 23:09:24 and system wide config in /usr/local/etc/lcuk1.conf Mar 21 23:09:59 but thats system wide for the current user? Mar 21 23:10:04 nope Mar 21 23:10:05 for all Mar 21 23:10:14 for current user it's ~/ Mar 21 23:10:18 so why is it usr/ ? Mar 21 23:10:28 don't ask me. Mar 21 23:10:29 ;) Mar 21 23:10:40 / is needed to boot Mar 21 23:10:46 /usr is mounted after boot Mar 21 23:10:54 and contains no system critical stuff Mar 21 23:11:06 user space modules - anything outside the kernel Mar 21 23:11:14 * lcuk_2 remembers something Mar 21 23:11:19 but usually /usr and / is on the same fs Mar 21 23:11:25 and nothing is mounted anymore Mar 21 23:11:35 so where deos the actual logged in user live? Mar 21 23:11:36 but general rule still is valid Mar 21 23:11:41 ~ Mar 21 23:11:50 it's expanded to user's dir Mar 21 23:11:56 which is defined in /etc/password Mar 21 23:12:07 If I'm network connected on my tablet, is there a path I can use to access a Windows share? Mar 21 23:12:09 but shell knows how to expand ~ to that variable Mar 21 23:12:18 /etc/lcuk/ you mean? Mar 21 23:12:22 no Mar 21 23:12:26 actual password? Mar 21 23:12:29 do: cat /etc/passwd Mar 21 23:12:44 you will see bunch of lines, field separator is ':' Mar 21 23:13:21 it's: login:pass:uid:guid:info:home_dir:default_shell Mar 21 23:13:47 on modern systems pass is hidden and stored elsewhere though Mar 21 23:13:54 /home/user is the user folder on ITOS Mar 21 23:14:20 thanks gen :) that makes life simpler, i had just found it in the list but you hit the spot Mar 21 23:14:35 lcuk: but it's wrong to hardcode it Mar 21 23:14:36 :) Mar 21 23:15:00 that user list though, if i wanted to login as any (with ssh) and knew the password that would work wouldnt it Mar 21 23:15:20 and the links would map themselves correctly - ie this ~ you are talking about Mar 21 23:15:34 ~ is expanded in shell Mar 21 23:15:57 but it uses /etc/passwd to get that path Mar 21 23:16:26 so if i am expecting my software to store profile data i could expect it to have a file "~/liq/options" or similar? Mar 21 23:16:30 shell usually predefines $HOME variable too Mar 21 23:17:07 if it's a simple config you can use ~/.liq.conf or ~/.liqrc Mar 21 23:17:42 and you can get user's HOME from env Mar 21 23:17:44 ahhh yes, i am looking via winssh now :) Mar 21 23:17:54 (in c) Mar 21 23:18:01 thats where game scores etc are kept :) Mar 21 23:18:39 and . at the beginning means dir is 'hidden' Mar 21 23:18:40 :) Mar 21 23:18:54 ~/.liq/ Mar 21 23:18:55 or file :) Mar 21 23:18:59 or file Mar 21 23:19:00 :) Mar 21 23:19:06 ~/.liqrc maybe Mar 21 23:20:28 ./liqreader Mar 21 23:20:36 ~/.liqreader Mar 21 23:21:16 * lcuk_2 hopes all this magically sets itself up automagically soon, it hurts my head Mar 21 23:21:23 :) Mar 21 23:21:44 write a function to get HOME variable from startup environment Mar 21 23:22:20 for a start Mar 21 23:22:21 :> Mar 21 23:22:22 Windows user! :P Mar 21 23:22:54 macfag Mar 21 23:23:03 but would a mac user know any better? dont they just put a folder full of files somewhere and use that Mar 21 23:23:17 Depends on the Mac user. Mar 21 23:23:20 I would know better. :P Mar 21 23:23:30 lcuk: mac is *nixed nowadays Mar 21 23:23:32 :) Mar 21 23:23:34 Apple lickableness plus BSD's win. Mar 21 23:23:49 so they have ~/Desktop and stuff too Mar 21 23:23:55 i guess Mar 21 23:25:37 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/02/19/wi_fi_triangulation Mar 21 23:25:39 nice idea Mar 21 23:25:53 especially if those aps are open Mar 21 23:25:54 ;) Mar 21 23:30:31 Is it possible for non-umpc hardware to do mesh networking? Mar 21 23:30:41 probably Mar 21 23:31:02 wouldn't it require more than one wlan adapter? Mar 21 23:31:10 mine connects to adhoc wifi :) Mar 21 23:31:12 why? Mar 21 23:31:25 store&send isn't enough? Mar 21 23:31:34 you can't have a mesh when each node can only connect to one.. ahh Mar 21 23:31:59 but in adhoc it's one-to-many Mar 21 23:32:00 i think Mar 21 23:32:13 you could, but you would be faster just giving the guy a floppy disk Mar 21 23:34:13 hmm Mar 21 23:34:45 full screen virtual x + chroot, and using maemo only for booting :> Mar 22 01:14:05 FAT is so easy to corrupt, and not quite easy to notice when it's corrupted Mar 22 01:14:13 yup Mar 22 01:14:15 fat sucks Mar 22 01:14:16 I was trying to restore a backup and reinstall the apps Mar 22 01:14:27 and App Installer gave me completely opaque errors "unable to install openssh" Mar 22 01:14:38 I thought the maemo repository was hosed again Mar 22 01:14:48 but decided to check the log -- "read only file system" Mar 22 01:15:06 IT OS needs a nice GUI for dosfsck Mar 22 01:15:08 That's what the Log option in the menu is for. Mar 22 01:15:33 mgedmin: afaik dosfsck is run everytime card is mounted Mar 22 01:15:40 i mean before mount Mar 22 01:16:00 whee, "Operation failed: [OK]" Mar 22 01:16:19 check mmc-mount script to see if it has dosfsck or soemthing Mar 22 01:16:19 :) Mar 22 01:16:23 where's the damn "SHOW ME THE LOG" button? Mar 22 01:16:27 GeneralAntilles: seen the Kohjinsha SA5 ? Mar 22 01:16:51 In the Application Manager menu. Mar 22 01:16:55 last line in the log is "Installing libzlibrary 0.8.16-1" Mar 22 01:16:58 No, pupnik_, what is it? Mar 22 01:16:59 no indication about what failed or why Mar 22 01:17:17 I'm starting to see why people hate the app installer Mar 22 01:17:22 :) Mar 22 01:17:27 guis are for wimps anyway Mar 22 01:17:48 hey, KotCzarny, how do you reinstall all the apps listed in the backup from the command line? Mar 22 01:18:05 apt-get install `some sed magic here` ? Mar 22 01:18:06 :) Mar 22 01:18:09 'unzip && parse xml && sudo apt-get install foo bar baz' is a bit too manual Mar 22 01:19:02 fwiw dosfsck is not present in the OS image Mar 22 01:19:14 i believe i have seen it Mar 22 01:19:21 let me check Mar 22 01:19:22 maybe it's not in my path Mar 22 01:19:34 may be named differently Mar 22 01:20:08 mgedmin, it shows ro errors here. :\ Mar 22 01:20:16 Nokia-N800-51-3:~# which dosfsck Mar 22 01:20:19 /sbin/dosfsck Mar 22 01:20:22 mine has it Mar 22 01:20:30 right, I'm not root yet Mar 22 01:20:35 :) Mar 22 01:23:27 so, on a n810, is there a way to press 'tab' that doesn't involve the touchscreen? Mar 22 01:23:38 (or a bluetooth/usb keyboard) Mar 22 01:23:41 * KotCzarny has n800 Mar 22 01:23:50 yay, operation failed again Mar 22 01:23:54 looks like I'm not done ranting :-) Mar 22 01:24:10 just format that mmc with ext3? Mar 22 01:24:11 ;) Mar 22 01:24:28 mgedmin you can remap the keyboard, i was searching for it, because of the lack of the | in the keyboard of my n810 Mar 22 01:24:44 yes, I was just wondering Mar 22 01:24:54 fn-space or fn-chr might be a hidden shortcut Mar 22 01:25:24 er, chr-space Mar 22 01:25:38 *duh* ctrl-i *is* tab Mar 22 01:25:44 unix rules Mar 22 01:26:03 :) Mar 22 01:26:41 mgedmin, ohdamn, you're right Mar 22 01:26:51 a n810 looks much better in real life compared to all the pics on the web Mar 22 01:27:21 mgedmin yes, at the shell, but not in the tex editors and similar. Mar 22 01:27:29 and i agree, looks better in hand Mar 22 01:27:33 but I keep stabbing the webcam with my thumb out of habit, thinking it's the d-pad Mar 22 01:27:34 more solid Mar 22 01:27:57 mgedmin: write vid script Mar 22 01:28:05 to make it optical trackball Mar 22 01:28:06 :> Mar 22 01:28:11 heh, gesture controls Mar 22 01:28:30 yikes, the new screen is already full of my fingerprints Mar 22 01:28:49 hm, backup/restore doesn't restore statusbar icon order Mar 22 01:28:55 nor app menu organisation Mar 22 01:29:32 mmm there are now 5.61" 1024x600 tft displays Mar 22 01:29:42 * mgedmin spent 5 minutes in the car trying to remember the factory pin of his bluetooth GPS before he noticed the "use internal gps" option and remembered that n810 had one Mar 22 01:30:03 eh Mar 22 01:30:11 you might as well try to remember that pin Mar 22 01:30:30 it's 2004 Mar 22 01:30:33 err, 2003 Mar 22 01:30:41 lol Mar 22 01:30:41 I remembered it looked like a year number Mar 22 01:30:46 I don't think Nokia has any chance of competing in that price range with OMAP. Mar 22 01:30:47 but I tried 2001 and 2004 only Mar 22 01:31:14 I've got it written down, but not readily accessible when I'm in my car Mar 22 01:31:31 Actually, well, OMAP3440 at 1.0-1.2GHz might work. Mar 22 01:32:11 why oh why won't OS2008 let me disable the darn Presence applet? Mar 22 01:32:24 I don't need it cluttering my status bar Mar 22 01:32:33 * KotCzarny never uset presence applet Mar 22 01:32:37 *used Mar 22 01:32:40 i think that's a high-power version. the 3430 (3530) in pandora seems to run around 600mhz Mar 22 01:32:57 Just delete the .desktop if it bothers you so much. Mar 22 01:33:10 They've got a UMPC-targeted version. Mar 22 01:33:16 Of the 3440, I believe. Mar 22 01:33:18 ahh ok Mar 22 01:33:29 Which is in the ~1GHz range. Mar 22 01:33:31 There's the 35xx line of OMAP3 Mar 22 01:33:40 not listed on their site, though Mar 22 01:33:43 Yeah Mar 22 01:33:48 I wonder what the differences are. Mar 22 01:33:50 35xx is just 34xx for smaller production runs Mar 22 01:34:05 Aha Mar 22 01:34:08 Makes sense. Mar 22 01:34:19 Weird that they have a different designation, though. Mar 22 01:39:24 yay, I'm root now Mar 22 01:41:40 woo Mar 22 01:42:07 cool, rsync is available on maemo these days Mar 22 01:42:17 I tried to use it Mar 22 01:42:20 why haven't I noticed that earlier? Mar 22 01:42:24 it segfaulted >_> Mar 22 01:42:27 wait, "tried"? Mar 22 01:42:28 ouch Mar 22 01:42:32 It's been around for forever. Mar 22 01:43:46 bet it's unaligned memory access or something like that Mar 22 01:44:50 the quick brown rfox jumped over/the lazy dog Mar 22 01:45:06 okay now, can someone explain to me, in simple one-syllable words preferably, why in the world does Application Installer refresh the whole app list if I click on a package to see its description and the choose "Cancel"? Mar 22 01:45:19 it's true I saw it/ on tv Mar 22 01:45:30 Because that's how it was programmed? Mar 22 01:45:37 ... Mar 22 01:45:40 rfox? Mar 22 01:45:51 typing is hard Mar 22 01:45:53 and why does the same program only display the description upto a certain point forcing you to open the properties window to read the description Mar 22 01:46:08 (on the list) Mar 22 01:46:18 let's call app-manager beta quality Mar 22 01:46:29 you've never seen an rfox? Mar 22 01:46:31 and have some tea Mar 22 01:46:33 i can feel the warmth coming off it ;) Mar 22 01:46:58 well, thats options sorted now :) Mar 22 01:47:05 Application Manager is open. Mar 22 01:47:08 protoeous: nope, doesn't saw it too Mar 22 01:47:09 Fix it if you don't like it. :P Mar 22 01:47:19 no thankx, i'll just use apt-get Mar 22 01:47:37 no damnit, ill put a change request to the person who knows and understands it Mar 22 01:47:42 |> Number 6 - High Wycombe Mar 22 01:47:48 OK, good, go do it! Mar 22 01:47:54 http://bugs.maemo.org Mar 22 01:47:58 I'll even vote for it! Mar 22 01:48:03 Heck, I'll mark it New. :D Mar 22 01:48:05 i am doing right now :P Mar 22 01:48:11 GeneralAntilles: wait, what? Mar 22 01:48:14 it's open source? Mar 22 01:48:18 Yeah Mar 22 01:48:20 despite being written by Nokia? Mar 22 01:48:20 wow Mar 22 01:48:25 apt-get upgrade application-manager Mar 22 01:48:46 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hildon-app-mgr/ Mar 22 01:48:57 mgedmin, there's a lot of Nokia stuff that's open. Mar 22 01:49:02 ah, garage quality Mar 22 01:49:08 it's not even beta then Mar 22 01:49:09 :> Mar 22 01:49:11 yes, framework stuff Mar 22 01:49:15 rarely GUI applications Mar 22 01:49:39 hildon-desktop is Mar 22 01:49:42 MicroB is Mar 22 01:49:49 apt-get source osso-application-installer Mar 22 01:49:54 E: Unable to find a source package for osso-application-installer Mar 22 01:50:03 thanks for the garage link Mar 22 01:50:07 I don't think it's osso Mar 22 01:50:12 because deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free doesn't find it Mar 22 01:50:16 Do you have the right source repo, anyway? Mar 22 01:50:16 I hate that the on screen keyboard makes a click feedback sound even when you press the wrong place and it doesn't write a letter Mar 22 01:50:27 maybe not, I tried "maemo application installer svn" in google and got to https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/ Mar 22 01:50:33 which does have osso-application-installer in it Mar 22 01:51:01 ah, chinook has hildon-application-manager Mar 22 01:51:12 and apt-get source works for it Mar 22 01:51:17 osso is on the way out. Mar 22 01:51:28 re MicroB: IIRC only the backend is open, but the browser UI itself is closed Mar 22 01:51:39 browser-ui is open Mar 22 01:51:44 tablet-browser is not :\ Mar 22 01:51:56 what's the difference? Mar 22 01:51:57 ok, who nicked my lighter? Mar 22 01:52:03 browser-ui is OS2007. Mar 22 01:52:06 lcuk_2: google Mar 22 01:52:16 good idea Mar 22 01:52:19 ah ouch bad trend there Mar 22 01:52:26 lcuk_2, smoking is a dirty and expensive habit. :P Mar 22 01:52:36 why assume the worst? Mar 22 01:52:40 maybe he just wants to set the house on fire Mar 22 01:52:40 I'm helping you out by stealing your possession then being preachy at you. :P Mar 22 01:52:50 s/possession/possessions/ Mar 22 01:52:50 GeneralAntilles meant: I'm helping you out by stealing your possessions then being preachy at you. :P Mar 22 01:52:55 expensive? i smoke like a chimney and spend about £3 a week - less than we spend on newspapers Mar 22 01:53:20 rolling tobacco is cheap Mar 22 01:53:47 but i agree its dirty Mar 22 01:54:15 * mgedmin suddenly remembers it's 4 AM and almost falls asleep Mar 22 01:54:28 :) Mar 22 01:54:32 hildon-app-manager patches can wait Mar 22 01:54:40 good night, everyone Mar 22 01:55:37 | Mar 22 01:55:42 - Mar 22 01:55:57 ' Mar 22 01:56:18 ~ Mar 22 01:56:31 © Mar 22 01:56:51 utfer Mar 22 01:57:14 exactly Mar 22 02:41:32 any idea where i will find ttf fonts on the maemo or are they scattered? Mar 22 02:42:03 in usual folder Mar 22 02:42:06 /usr/share/fonts Mar 22 02:42:52 /usr/share/fonts? Mar 22 02:43:04 holy bum fluff robin, you're right Mar 22 02:43:08 last time i checked x.org used it Mar 22 02:43:15 Somebody packaged mlocate Mar 22 02:43:18 You ought to install it. :P Mar 22 02:43:32 and since os2008 is quite a modern debian fork Mar 22 02:43:40 it will use same dir structure Mar 22 02:43:43 thx kot Mar 22 02:43:47 lcuk: np Mar 22 02:43:56 as a side note you can put your ttfs there Mar 22 02:43:57 /usr/share tends to be where a lot of "resource" stuff ends up. Mar 22 02:44:05 mlocate is heavy Mar 22 02:44:09 just use find :/ Mar 22 02:44:14 and make theme using them Mar 22 02:44:15 :) Mar 22 02:44:17 Meh, busybox find is mean. Mar 22 02:44:28 only 'cuz u sux Mar 22 02:44:33 lol Mar 22 02:44:34 Quite probably Mar 22 02:44:41 But if I sux, lcuk_2 will sux more. :P Mar 22 02:44:44 * lcuk_2 wants to press f4 Mar 22 02:44:48 f3 even Mar 22 02:44:54 find /usr -name "ttf" Mar 22 02:45:07 lcuk: install mc Mar 22 02:45:08 locate .tff :P Mar 22 02:45:09 :) Mar 22 02:45:10 i did type something like that. look Mar 22 02:45:18 any idea where i will find ttf fonts on the maemo or are they scattered? Mar 22 02:45:22 it has find file option Mar 22 02:45:22 GeneralAntilles, you have to run updatedb first Mar 22 02:45:35 assuming a fresh install Mar 22 02:45:40 this natural language processor that IRC uses is amazing :) Mar 22 02:46:07 i think all programs should have an irc help bar ;) Mar 22 02:46:24 I am not your slave. ;_; Mar 22 02:46:26 you still have to parse answers by yourself Mar 22 02:46:27 :) Mar 22 02:46:42 and i learn more by asking and discussing :) Mar 22 02:46:44 oh shit! Mar 22 02:46:46 lol Mar 22 02:46:48 >_> Mar 22 02:46:49 Haha Mar 22 02:46:51 What the hell? Mar 22 02:46:51 Fail. Mar 22 02:46:59 Too bad there's no ops for this channel Mar 22 02:47:02 lcuk: today you learn, tomorrow you will teach Mar 22 02:47:03 :) Mar 22 02:47:03 Or they'd kick your ass. Mar 22 02:47:24 its ok, ive gotta figure out how to upload something yet Mar 22 02:47:42 Upload where? Mar 22 02:47:44 lcuk: make your own thttpd based local repo Mar 22 02:47:45 :> Mar 22 02:47:49 and just add it ;) Mar 22 02:48:05 Ha Mar 22 02:48:21 Why do unopped people have permissions to change the topic in here? Mar 22 02:48:24 we've been over this - that involves me doing all sorts of shit - ive just spent god knows how long handling option parsing Mar 22 02:48:36 Because there is no authority to this channel. Mar 22 02:48:41 :/ Mar 22 02:48:42 It was created and the founder disappeared. :P Mar 22 02:48:47 lcuk: option parsing is easy Mar 22 02:48:49 :> Mar 22 02:49:07 yes, but i didnt want to use single character codes for things Mar 22 02:49:09 there's even lib for it Mar 22 02:49:17 yes i know i read up Mar 22 02:49:19 you won't have to Mar 22 02:49:27 strcmp Mar 22 02:49:28 :) Mar 22 02:49:36 getopt and getopt_long :| Mar 22 02:49:42 yup Mar 22 02:49:43 :) Mar 22 02:50:01 Doesn't matter if the founder disappeared Mar 22 02:50:02 getopt appeared to want me to force options in a specific order Mar 22 02:50:12 just go to #freenode and complain >_> Mar 22 02:50:20 lcuk: wanna see my options parser? Mar 22 02:50:30 it was easier for me to write a couple of functions for getopt_str and getopt_num Mar 22 02:50:31 I'll go bitch at kloeri. Mar 22 02:50:41 lol Mar 22 02:50:55 nahhh i done it, it works nicely and accepts defaults for when they arent passed (or are invalid) Mar 22 02:51:33 it's a one liner anyway Mar 22 02:52:06 well, two liner if you want to have --opt and --opt n Mar 22 02:52:08 yer, it is now :) for any program i write app_getopt_int("size", 20) Mar 22 02:52:17 :) Mar 22 02:52:37 if(!strcmp("-l",argv[i])) { looping=60; Mar 22 02:52:37 if(i+10) { i++; looping=atoi(argv[i]); } Mar 22 02:52:56 :> Mar 22 02:53:07 but what if its NAN? or if its invalid looping param? Mar 22 02:53:11 ;) Mar 22 02:53:21 then it won't work anyway? Mar 22 02:53:33 if user is stupid it's HIS (or HER) fault Mar 22 02:53:34 :) Mar 22 02:53:36 but sanitizing your inputs in important Mar 22 02:53:44 atoi does that Mar 22 02:54:05 no it doesnt, it returns 0 if it cant parse it, or min/max if its out of bounds Mar 22 02:54:13 yup Mar 22 02:54:17 and it's enough Mar 22 02:54:42 depends what looping is used for i suppose Mar 22 02:54:43 if one enters word where number is expected, it's his fault Mar 22 02:55:22 if looping>0 then it doesn't exit after one loop Mar 22 02:55:36 otherwise it's usleep Mar 22 02:55:40 also, what happens if they dont supply a param, but instead supply a further -param? you will miss it by blindly accepting its expected as an arg Mar 22 02:55:41 *1M Mar 22 02:55:43 ;) Mar 22 02:56:11 that what second if is for Mar 22 02:56:33 arghhh, missed it :) Mar 22 02:56:36 :) Mar 22 02:56:39 well, the atoi Mar 22 02:56:57 so first if we get -l, when we set default delay Mar 22 02:57:00 i dont actually care what order things come in Mar 22 02:57:12 yup Mar 22 02:57:14 me too Mar 22 02:57:25 there's for around it Mar 22 02:57:34 from 1 to argc Mar 22 02:57:35 :) Mar 22 02:59:20 actually i like it my way because some options are exclusive/inclusive Mar 22 02:59:39 and one would have to check accordingly anyway **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 22 02:59:56 2008