**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 23 02:59:56 2008 Mar 23 03:00:17 default slowdown appears to be down to 10fps - fullspeed -turbo is 26/27 fps Mar 23 03:00:31 hm really stupid.. there has to be a way to stop this without too ugly hacks Mar 23 03:03:06 normally when reading ebooks i'd prefer to conserve battery Mar 23 03:03:12 yup Mar 23 03:03:38 that's why lcuk shouldn't focus on fps too much Mar 23 03:03:40 but i do not have a busy wait Mar 23 03:03:47 i am ONLY rendering a frame on mousemove Mar 23 03:04:16 why not on mousedown? Mar 23 03:04:17 the only routine which makes it render fulltime is the colorcube one Mar 23 03:04:30 seems quite fast without turbo - fps while scrolling is ~25 Mar 23 03:04:32 and use upper part/lower part of the screen as buttons Mar 23 03:04:35 you know what i mean (and besides in raw mode i dont get mousedown/up Mar 23 03:04:48 i get move event with a pressure - when pressure = 0 then its a mouseup Mar 23 03:05:19 scrolling = stroking the mouse - it works some of the time pup Mar 23 03:05:42 but it was not reproducable - i just need to make it actually draw each frame as required as fast as possible Mar 23 03:06:48 besides - its made me think i want to actually use the screen as a text editor Mar 23 03:08:09 jott, i am not registered ill just mail it Mar 23 03:09:18 hehe registering on freenode is really not a big deal .. /msg nickserv register password and you are done :) Mar 23 03:10:45 just directly in here? i dont have to visit anywhere else? Mar 23 03:10:45 lcuk_2: thanks :) Mar 23 03:10:50 yes Mar 23 03:11:04 just replace password with something better :p Mar 23 03:11:37 okay, then Mar 23 03:11:46 yay for internet cafe Mar 23 03:11:48 but is this registering the computer or the nick Mar 23 03:11:55 the nick Mar 23 03:12:28 Then /nick to 2 and 3 and register those Mar 23 03:12:34 Link 'em Mar 23 03:12:47 yeah that's extra spice :) Mar 23 03:12:51 so what's the best place to get a howto for flashing 2008 onto the n800 via a linux box? Mar 23 03:13:10 koos__: perfect timing Mar 23 03:13:17 koyote: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ Mar 23 03:13:37 nice. Mar 23 03:13:56 dont i need an email addy? Mar 23 03:14:02 i'm downloading the latest 0s2008 image myself. it seems i was using 50-2 while the latest is 51-3. Mar 23 03:14:19 Do you have problems turning your device on? Mar 23 03:14:20 koyote: you might need to hit reload a few times. the server is really slow. Mar 23 03:14:31 lcuk: just if you want to recover your password Mar 23 03:14:32 No, lcuk. Mar 23 03:14:59 static or not? xubuntu 7.10 Mar 23 03:15:00 kpel, 51-3 is only a bootloader update. So unless you're having trouble turning your device on, don't bother with it. Mar 23 03:15:40 i have trouble with the sanity of the browser and the app manager. if this continues i'm going to have trouble with my sanity as well :) Mar 23 03:15:50 What sort of sanity? Mar 23 03:16:14 GeneralAntilles: for some reason both the browser and the app manager don't see certain files Mar 23 03:16:59 GeneralAntilles: in this url for example: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/ my n800 sees only until ukmp. unzip and usbcontrol are not there Mar 23 03:17:22 Did you screw with about:config? Mar 23 03:17:24 and if i try a direct link to the unzip dir i get a message saying "sorry, i cannot find that file" Mar 23 03:17:36 GeneralAntilles: nop. point'n'click all the way Mar 23 03:19:03 lcuk2: hm looks nice for a start.. it would be good if you could scroll by just touching the lower right corner or a few bottom lines Mar 23 03:19:19 jott: my words, my words.. ;) Mar 23 03:19:30 lcuk, you may also want to talk to a staffer about getting a hostmask cloak. Mar 23 03:20:12 it feels like i am joining a gang :S Mar 23 03:20:29 <_> Mar 23 03:20:43 jott - autoscroll will return - not yet sure about the right interface Mar 23 03:21:07 lcuk: pressure sensitive speed? :) Mar 23 03:21:10 im wary of intiially using too much touch without identification of what areas do Mar 23 03:21:31 no because you use different pressure with finger as with stylus Mar 23 03:21:45 stylus = evil Mar 23 03:21:49 lcuk, start with simple touch/no touch Mar 23 03:22:04 i had speed proportional to distance from left (left = 1/2 speed, right = 4x speed) it was great Mar 23 03:22:04 and incremental speed scrolling Mar 23 03:22:28 i also had hot zones for next/previous Mar 23 03:22:47 but i need some indicator on screen (I did dark grey rectangles under the text) Mar 23 03:22:55 naaah Mar 23 03:23:03 but it was a bit distracting - maybe i only show them when you are thumbing it Mar 23 03:23:20 don't overcomplicate Mar 23 03:23:29 imagine what would be intuitive Mar 23 03:23:40 it lets you know what you are doing - one of my problems with fbreader was a tap on the screen moved me blocks of pages down Mar 23 03:23:52 accidental tap Mar 23 03:24:02 then just start with scroll by line Mar 23 03:24:04 i wouldnt want the same now Mar 23 03:24:09 and then accelerate Mar 23 03:24:21 that will give user time to correct Mar 23 03:24:26 and not to loose context Mar 23 03:24:33 i will put autoscrolling back in - its really easy Mar 23 03:25:11 i need to also look in mplayer for the blackout avoidance code :) Mar 23 03:25:33 yeah i think autoscrolling would be good and if you flip the finger kinetic scrolling would be nice Mar 23 03:25:56 and remember to make them configurable Mar 23 03:26:02 kinetic is easy as well - and when on -turbo it is smooth as anything :) Mar 23 03:27:02 i could almost picture myself writing the full interface in it Mar 23 03:27:09 :) Mar 23 03:29:50 the biggest problem with kinetic is that your finger doesnt really do it... its like sliding your finger along the carpet - its not smooth Mar 23 03:30:09 oil it Mar 23 03:30:10 :> Mar 23 03:30:26 or wear some teflon gloves Mar 23 03:30:38 genius! Mar 23 03:30:48 where? Mar 23 03:30:49 :> Mar 23 03:32:45 download, little file. Mar 23 03:33:22 lcuk, you need a screen protector. :P Mar 23 03:33:36 oh, i should get one of those. Mar 23 03:34:06 Boxwave anti-glare. Mar 23 03:39:12 man, first time flashing a new device is always nervous making Mar 23 03:39:23 no problem Mar 23 03:39:33 it's 99.9% safe Mar 23 03:39:34 :) Mar 23 03:40:14 heheh Mar 23 03:40:22 Eh, I've flashed somewhere near 4 dozen times. Mar 23 03:40:31 There's really not much that can go wrong. Mar 23 03:40:32 unlike the old days with the first linux-on palm stuff Mar 23 03:40:36 Just don't pull out the USB cable. Mar 23 03:40:56 or the very very first zaurus clamshell alternates Mar 23 03:41:39 done, eh. Mar 23 03:47:30 nite all :) thx Mar 23 03:47:32 okay, now i need... a 24 hour clock setting (grrrr) and to find software. here we go Mar 23 03:48:11 forget desktop clock Mar 23 03:48:15 get statusbar-clock Mar 23 03:48:16 :) Mar 23 03:48:21 nite lcuk Mar 23 03:48:22 :) Mar 23 03:49:57 huh Mar 23 03:53:08 koyote: If you ever do figure out how to enable a 24-hour clock, let me know. Mar 23 03:53:44 yeah. Mar 23 03:53:48 The Europeans get one, but not us. Mar 23 03:54:07 http://openpandora.org/pandora-boardv2.jpg gotta love designers sharing their stuff with the world Mar 23 03:55:06 really? Mar 23 03:55:18 so it should be a different version of the cclock applet? Mar 23 03:55:30 That's what I've been told. Mar 23 03:55:33 pupnik, what's the Pandora gonna run, anyway? Mar 23 03:56:01 I suspect it's really got some regional settings somewhere that are not exposed in a GUI, but I haven't tracked them down. Mar 23 03:56:07 well, I Mar 23 03:56:37 I'd expect either to have a different flash download, or that it's a setting soemwhere. Mar 23 03:56:45 Been interesting to get ITOS running on it. Mar 23 03:56:47 switching to uk englush doesn't fix it Mar 23 03:57:26 GeneralAntilles: a basic program loader and probably debian armel later on Mar 23 03:58:05 they don't want OS getting in the way of the emus Mar 23 03:58:18 I see. Mar 23 03:58:19 any idea how to upgrade my os2007 devel environment to os2008? Mar 23 03:58:27 pupnik: what about opengl? Mar 23 03:58:36 (or better opengl es) Mar 23 03:58:36 do i need to rip everything out? Mar 23 03:58:47 PowerVR SGX, jott. Mar 23 03:59:00 having complaint hardware means a sh** Mar 23 03:59:04 jott: will definitely have it - not sure how it'll be exposed Mar 23 03:59:36 derf: got it Mar 23 03:59:53 pupnik: will you get a dev board? Mar 23 04:00:16 i set my home city to LA (i am in california) my language to english, and my regional settings to deutschland Mar 23 04:00:19 haha no Mar 23 04:00:20 reboot and bingo. Mar 23 04:00:54 * jott still doubts it will get opengl es drivers :P Mar 23 04:00:55 24 hour clock, sane dd.mm.yyyy display Mar 23 04:01:28 * koyote is suddenly a lot more comfortable. Mar 23 04:02:30 i've read that the PowerVR SGX530 supports full opengl 2.0 Mar 23 04:02:35 Why wouldn't it, jott? Mar 23 04:02:40 with pixel shader? Mar 23 04:02:41 :> Mar 23 04:02:46 because it's linux :) Mar 23 04:02:54 yes with shaders Mar 23 04:02:58 nice Mar 23 04:03:21 man, i need that usb keyboard Mar 23 04:03:55 koyote: How's your decimal separator? Mar 23 04:04:30 lemme check. i use both types so often i don't even notice. one moment Mar 23 04:04:58 decimal is , Mar 23 04:05:07 Yeah, that's no good. Mar 23 04:05:10 there's probably a region that fixes that for you Mar 23 04:05:13 hang on Mar 23 04:07:06 eh, that'll take some rebooting to determine. Mar 23 04:07:22 but now i suspect there's a file whee i can find it Mar 23 04:07:31 once i figure out how to download a terminal Mar 23 04:08:10 * koyote blinks at the version Mar 23 04:08:12 OS 2008 comes with an xterm. Mar 23 04:08:33 yes it does. cool Mar 23 04:12:16 grrr. no emacs Mar 23 04:12:32 koyote: the xterm that comes with os2008 is quite ok. just don't use the exit command. click the x button instead at the window corner. Mar 23 04:12:49 koyote, what, you expect it to come bundled? Mar 23 04:13:40 20MB is an insane amount of space for something 95% of the users will never use. Mar 23 04:14:10 ...but having a sane apt-get install emacs available for those other 5% :) Mar 23 04:14:12 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189 Mar 23 04:14:31 It's gotta be ported, package, and uploaded to Extras. Mar 23 04:14:42 i haven't gotten to the download software part of this yet. Mar 23 04:14:59 * monkeyiq logs off yet another e-on-maemo URL Mar 23 04:15:19 nor the sshd part. so i can hack until i get a bt keyboard set up Mar 23 04:15:42 Enable Extras and install OpenSSH Mar 23 04:15:48 Save yourself the pain and suffering. :P Mar 23 04:16:37 enable extras... Mar 23 04:20:47 got it Mar 23 04:22:07 gotta love Japan... "Killer Steam-Powered Robots from Dimension X is a simple arcade game." Mar 23 04:22:22 haha Mar 23 04:24:42 installing... defaults to internal memory, i am sure, but can you set it up to install to the internal sd card? Mar 23 04:25:27 If you extend the rootfs there. Mar 23 04:25:31 But by default, no. Mar 23 04:26:10 fly that falcon if the egg hatches Mar 23 04:28:06 um. i have no user account settings. that would make ssh odd. how cute Mar 23 04:29:14 user user. i love it. Mar 23 04:30:07 http://noiz2sa.sourceforge.net/ i'd love this if we had opengl Mar 23 04:31:16 pupnik, every played this one? http://www.emhsoft.com/ttrooper/ Mar 23 04:31:35 kewl - no not yet Mar 23 04:31:41 It's quite fun. Mar 23 04:31:58 theres also a tempest2000 clone called 'typhoon' that's beautiful Mar 23 04:32:44 http://typhoon.kuto.de/index.html Mar 23 04:33:51 oo Mar 23 04:35:26 want to help port cool games? :) Mar 23 04:35:34 koyote, it's not really a multi-user system. Mar 23 04:35:53 is it ok if i uninstall the map application? i'd rather use maemo-mapper Mar 23 04:35:59 Sure. Mar 23 04:36:00 it's fine. Mar 23 04:36:11 :> Mar 23 04:36:21 cool Mar 23 04:36:27 i now need to find what i need to change the regional settings. Mar 23 04:36:47 koyote: how did you get the 24hr clock? Mar 23 04:37:26 hi Mar 23 04:38:25 kpel: the cheap way. set it to the germany region. Mar 23 04:38:37 aha! thanks Mar 23 04:38:42 but that messes with your decimal and date displays Mar 23 04:39:18 ah, i think i'll pass then :) Mar 23 04:39:19 *I* am fine with it, i've been using . and , interchangeably as decimal separators for years due to working with european militaries Mar 23 04:39:43 so, since others are not fine with it, i am going to find the files and edit one up to post Mar 23 04:42:05 good stuff Mar 23 04:42:26 time to go. goodmorning guys Mar 23 04:44:18 okay, gotta run back home. cafe wants to close Mar 23 04:59:26 Bad RAM. Weh. Mar 23 05:01:40 So is there hardware with code/drivers to do 3D accelerated graphics on any of the internet tablets? Mar 23 05:01:49 probably Mar 23 05:01:50 :) Mar 23 05:01:59 but unreachable by most of us Mar 23 05:03:24 There's hardware Mar 23 05:03:26 no drivers. Mar 23 05:04:15 Oh, that's sad. Why are there no drivers? Mar 23 05:05:38 A variety of reasons. Mar 23 05:05:49 grackle: only nokia can tell Mar 23 05:05:55 Some hardware, some managerial stemming from hardware. Mar 23 05:06:01 everything else is just rumour starting Mar 23 05:06:11 heh GeneralAntilles they estimate battery life on the pandora around 100 hours playing mp3s Mar 23 05:06:23 How big is the battery? Mar 23 05:06:28 4000mah Mar 23 05:06:32 Yeesh Mar 23 05:06:32 Man, what a waste. That's unfortunate. Mar 23 05:06:33 Thou dost need'em not Mar 23 05:06:36 laptopish Mar 23 05:06:56 Meh, performance wouldn't be as good as you think even if we did have drivers. Mar 23 05:07:35 Why, CPU? Mar 23 05:08:54 still. free cycles. Mar 23 05:11:43 Mostly the LCD controller. Mar 23 05:12:02 "Why do people want color displays? These IBM Pc's aren't video-game machines!" - IBM exec, 1981 Mar 23 05:13:24 yeah. Mar 23 05:13:32 you won't play much on xt Mar 23 05:13:33 :P Mar 23 05:14:13 :o Mar 23 05:17:46 how do you view windows shared files from a n810 connected to the network via a router? Mar 23 05:18:24 is that a trick question? Mar 23 05:19:12 lol no Mar 23 05:22:11 step 1: search for a n810 program that will let you connect to windows shares Mar 23 05:22:17 step 2: install this program Mar 23 05:22:21 step 3: profit Mar 23 05:22:34 no no Mar 23 05:22:38 that would be step 4 Mar 23 05:22:47 lol i knew that much' Mar 23 05:22:49 you can NOT omit step 3. Mar 23 05:22:50 :) Mar 23 05:22:55 sorry Mar 23 05:22:57 it says that it's able to do it "out of the box", just wondering how Mar 23 05:23:00 step 3: ??? Mar 23 05:23:04 step 4: profit Mar 23 05:34:44 jsn, open up File manager. Mar 23 05:34:47 Should be there in the sidebar. Mar 23 05:54:54 Does anybody know where libgstdspaudio libgstdsppcm libgstdspilbc etc sources come from? Mar 23 05:55:05 i can't seem to find it in normal gstreamer sources Mar 23 05:55:19 can be closed Mar 23 06:05:04 trying to install maemo-mapper for os2006 using maemo garage repository, but it won't install because it's missing the libgpsmgr dependency. Any idea where I can get that? Mar 23 06:28:44 YEAH! Mar 23 07:11:20 I really don't understand this Mar 23 07:11:29 ? Mar 23 07:11:49 these little bags of pork rinds have KOSHER salsa packets in them Mar 23 07:12:02 life. Mar 23 07:12:04 marketing. Mar 23 07:12:05 kosher salsa? for pork? Mar 23 07:12:08 lie. Mar 23 07:14:06 no angband? Mar 23 07:14:12 now, that's just wrong. Mar 23 07:14:25 i believe pupnik compiled one Mar 23 07:14:28 pupnik.de Mar 23 07:14:32 and look for yourself Mar 23 07:14:33 :) Mar 23 07:14:58 ok, bed time, night night Mar 23 07:15:04 night Mar 23 07:17:10 * koyote searches for the best flash player Mar 23 07:40:30 Morning, all Mar 23 07:41:19 morning jaffa Mar 23 07:51:38 morning Mar 23 09:10:50 what is going on with OS2008 not being able to connect to some WAPs? Mine was working just fine, then for no reason it stopped working. Mar 23 09:11:16 now it seems to connect to almost any WAP except mine Mar 23 09:21:20 morning all Mar 23 09:22:04 morning Mar 23 10:02:36 anyone want to buy a slightly used N800? I got it in January. Mar 23 10:03:16 I'll trade it for a PSP or 2 or 3 batteries for my laptop Mar 23 10:05:18 morning Mar 23 10:05:24 morning Mar 23 10:05:47 evening Mar 23 10:05:57 it is 6pm here :P Mar 23 10:06:10 10 AM here - GMT baby :p Mar 23 10:06:10 euro Mar 23 10:06:48 I'm on chinese time ;) Mar 23 10:06:51 6 am here in good ole nueva York Mar 23 10:07:10 hey worm Mar 23 10:07:49 hey unique Mar 23 10:08:12 nvm Mar 23 10:08:20 n800 for a psp, good deal :) Mar 23 10:08:28 no kidding Mar 23 10:08:31 I was going to do a digging joke Mar 23 10:08:34 I actually have both :p :D Mar 23 10:08:37 but very j Mar 23 10:08:43 Except my PSP joystick is broken Mar 23 10:08:47 hard to type p Mar 23 10:08:58 on iPhone Mar 23 10:09:08 I paid about $230 USD for my N800, but I can get a PSP for about $170 (1200 RMB) Mar 23 10:09:42 The internet on a PSP original sucks though Mar 23 10:09:52 unique311, as far as a digging joke goes, my name means "underground" Mar 23 10:09:56 its better on a slim psp? Mar 23 10:10:01 Yes, more memory Mar 23 10:10:10 My PSP would always complain after a few sites Mar 23 10:10:17 I'd have to reboot the thing Mar 23 10:12:12 Anybody give me a link to any AcrossLite (*.puz) file please? Mar 23 10:12:35 I want to test something Mar 23 10:18:16 so nobody knows what is going on with the N800 not getting an IP from some WAPs? Mar 23 10:20:28 does the n810 take mini sdhc? Mar 23 10:22:46 seems like. hmm. need to find. Mar 23 10:25:47 Your APs are broken? Mar 23 10:25:52 You broke your N800? Mar 23 10:26:27 nothing was changed with either one Mar 23 10:26:41 everything else connects to the AP just fine Mar 23 10:26:59 and the N800 connects to random APs just fine (but not some random APs) Mar 23 10:27:22 it seems like if I'm going to be somewhere for a while, it won't connect, but if I'm just passing through it will connect Mar 23 10:27:48 it must have a critical use detector in it, and when it detects I'm going to use it, it won't work Mar 23 10:28:03 could it be the power saving features? Mar 23 10:28:13 What channel is your router on? Do you have mac address filtering, WPA? Have you tried setting IP address staticly on N800? Mar 23 10:28:45 nothing was changed with the AP Mar 23 10:28:51 it was working one day, and not the next Mar 23 10:29:08 I can't imagine how it can be any power saving feature, because I turn it on, and it don't work Mar 23 10:29:37 this is a documented problem. I'm not the only one with this problem Mar 23 10:29:50 I'm hoping someone know what the hell is going on Mar 23 10:29:59 it connects to the AP, it just won't get an IP address Mar 23 10:30:25 I manually set the address and I can ping the N800, but for some god damn stupid fuckin' reason, it does not seem to let me set the default gateway Mar 23 10:30:44 Did you reflash? Mar 23 10:30:50 but that is not a solution, even if it did work....I know what my home network settings are, but I may not know the settings for some other WAP Mar 23 10:30:55 yes, I reflashed several times Mar 23 10:31:20 right now I'm trying to download OS2007 (for the 3rd fuckin' time) to try that Mar 23 10:31:39 I can't believe how slow nokia's web site is! Mar 23 10:32:11 I find connecting to Chinese sites from the UK is slow ;) Mar 23 10:32:18 I downloaded the last OS2008 releases with no problems, but every time I get to the end of OS2007 I get some stupid error with firefox or iceape or whatever the fuck they want to call it this week Mar 23 10:32:43 I was downloading earlier today at over 100kb/s Mar 23 10:32:53 now I'm lucky to get 10kb/s Mar 23 10:32:58 would help if people stopped cutting undersea cables ;) Mar 23 10:33:05 maybe Mar 23 10:33:11 Ok, I'll put away my wire cutters Mar 23 10:33:37 it would help if nokia paid for some fuckin' bandwidth! Mar 23 10:34:08 Works fine here. Mar 23 10:34:20 Sounds like a routing problem rather than a bandwidth problem. Mar 23 10:34:36 it was running fine before but not now Mar 23 10:35:01 if they didn't make me register on their stupid site, I'd just download it to my server in usa, then download it from there (sometimes that helps with slow sites) Mar 23 10:35:22 asking me for my MAC address is just gay Mar 23 10:35:29 Erm, not really. Mar 23 10:35:40 I don't even use my mac address :P Mar 23 10:35:42 They're making sure you actually own a device. Mar 23 10:35:48 so what does it accomplish? Mar 23 10:36:02 that does not make sure you own the device Mar 23 10:36:08 I can sniff that mac Mar 23 10:36:11 But the mac address can be faked too :(. Thats how I got my N800 OS2008 image before it came. Mar 23 10:36:29 Legally, that's what it accomplishes. Mar 23 10:36:34 so their gay mac address check does not make sure you actually have the device Mar 23 10:36:37 Serial numbers for shareware software can also be obtained. Mar 23 10:36:43 Legally it does Mar 23 10:36:46 which is what matters Mar 23 10:36:48 legally? Mar 23 10:36:56 I don't think that helps them legally Mar 23 10:36:59 for the software they license from other people. Mar 23 10:37:08 oooohhhhhh Mar 23 10:37:18 but still, the MAC addresses are public record Mar 23 10:37:32 you can go lookup what mac address range nokia has assigned to them Mar 23 10:37:41 That's still not the point. Mar 23 10:37:52 with a little bit of effort you can narrow down which range of addresses are used for the n800 Mar 23 10:37:56 and/or n810 Mar 23 10:38:04 By the way, software generally doesn't have a sexual preference. Mar 23 10:38:32 and I could have downloaded the os2008 images before it was out, because other people posted the right mac range to use to download Mar 23 10:39:05 just a few days ago, I drove by a nokia factory Mar 23 10:39:19 You're really not getting the point, are you? Mar 23 10:39:32 I know the N800 is made in korea, but still, I wonder what they make in that factory Mar 23 10:39:51 I get the point that checking the mac address is gay Mar 23 10:40:06 I know what point you're trying to make Mar 23 10:40:14 That you don't have a point? Mar 23 10:40:19 That you just want to bitch for a while. Mar 23 10:40:22 they are trying to make an effort against unauthorized downloads Mar 23 10:40:51 they are making a feeble attempt to make sure people who do not own an n800 can not download their software Mar 23 10:40:55 My N800 says it is made in Finland... Mar 23 10:40:59 To be quite honest, nobody wants to hear you bitch. Mar 23 10:41:19 for them, it's ok that you say that yoy own that device. of course they know it can and does get faked. Mar 23 10:41:44 qwerty12, are you in europe? Mar 23 10:41:54 Yes, I'm in London. Mar 23 10:42:06 I bought mine in usa (Even tho I'm in asia now) Mar 23 10:42:18 Besides, the NITs aren't even sold in China Mar 23 10:42:22 finland here too Mar 23 10:42:27 So why would you expect them to have a good bandwidth supply there? Mar 23 10:42:46 because I was getting 100k downloads earlier today from them Mar 23 10:43:03 you're right, it could have nothing to do with their bandwidth Mar 23 10:43:13 but I suspect it is, because other sites are blazing fast for me Mar 23 10:43:25 and by "other sites", I mean sites outside of asia Mar 23 10:43:25 Irrelevant. Mar 23 10:43:59 if you don't have a solution to the problem, then you are irrelevant to me :P Mar 23 10:44:16 Fix your router. Mar 23 10:44:29 I still have not gotten any good reason as to why the N800 won't get an IP address from some APs (when it did before) Mar 23 10:45:01 We havn't recived any good answers. I tried before, all I got was that nothing is changed Mar 23 10:45:12 What were the settings before in that case? Mar 23 10:45:12 If you reflashed without restoring a backup and it still doesn't connect, then it's the router. Mar 23 10:45:46 * GeneralAntilles is pulling down 1.2MB/sec from tablets-dev Mar 23 10:45:50 Obviously not a bandwidth issue. Mar 23 10:45:55 I relflashed with and without a restore from backup Mar 23 10:46:08 Also, I believe, correct me if I am wrong, US tablets use different wifi frequencies ? Mar 23 10:46:12 and I can't imagine it being anything with the router because nothing was changed with the router Mar 23 10:46:23 you are wrong qwerty12 Mar 23 10:46:50 fair enough Mar 23 10:46:51 usa has 12 channels IIRC, and other parts of the world get up to 14 channels Mar 23 10:47:05 I don't think that is an issue, because my router is from usa Mar 23 10:47:36 also, the router I'm connecting to on my laptop works just fine....it just won't work with the n800 Mar 23 10:47:51 like I said, this is a documented problem....I'm not the only one with this problem Mar 23 10:48:15 I dunno, my N800 connects fine everyday to my router. Mar 23 10:48:57 Same here Mar 23 10:49:00 Several dozen, in fact. Mar 23 10:49:16 I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\ Mar 23 10:49:39 hmm. I have another wifi problem. if i go into offline mode and to online mode again, then it won't connect before I reboot. Mar 23 10:50:08 s/an/any/ Mar 23 10:50:08 GeneralAntilles meant: I've never had a problem connecting to anyy known-good router with an Nokia tablet. :\ Mar 23 10:50:26 "anyy" ? Mar 23 10:50:38 I've never had a problem connecting to any known-good router with any Nokia tablet. :\ Mar 23 10:50:44 Stupid bot. Mar 23 10:50:47 lol Mar 23 10:50:50 I used to not have problems, then all of a sudden one day I started having problems Mar 23 10:51:17 I reflashed and I still have problems Mar 23 10:51:20 Does dmesg say anything when you try to connect? or have you tried syslog? Mar 23 10:51:25 with or without restoring my backup Mar 23 10:51:45 how do I get root access on it without installing some other app? Mar 23 10:51:58 I doubt dmesg will show dhcp problems Mar 23 10:51:58 Do you have linux on your computer? Mar 23 10:52:07 of course Mar 23 10:52:16 Use flasher-3.0 to set rd mode Mar 23 10:52:25 wormfood: why not install eg easyroot? Mar 23 10:52:29 ooohhh....I see what you're saying Mar 23 10:52:44 why not install easyroot? because I can't get an internet connection from the n800 Mar 23 10:53:03 The deb is only a few kb, install it from tablet Mar 23 10:53:17 No dependies (spelling) afaik Mar 23 10:54:47 jesusfuckin'christ! I just downloaded OS2007 in about 15 seconds to my server, and I've been waiting HOURS for it to download here :( Mar 23 10:56:59 where do I get "easyroot" from? Mar 23 10:57:11 www.nitapps.com Mar 23 10:58:00 anybody can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/d2b2d9373 ? About in control panel lists two 's too Mar 23 10:58:39 thanks qwerty12 Mar 23 10:58:58 np Mar 23 10:59:20 What are you trying to do? Mar 23 10:59:32 I have been downloading OS2007 for over 3.5 hours....and this time it did not give me an error (last 2 times it gave me an error) Mar 23 10:59:55 General: Fix my about screen. Maybe I'm vain but I don't like it when my N800's software version is listed as unknown Mar 23 11:00:01 I dont really want to reflash too. Mar 23 11:00:29 Eh, mine's that way, to.o Mar 23 11:00:35 Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. :\ Mar 23 11:00:53 Ok, thanks :). I think I have been messing around with it too much... Mar 23 11:02:16 I'm not aware of a fix, in any case. Mar 23 11:02:39 Ok thanks, I thought you may be able to set the info manually with flasher. :( Mar 23 11:03:41 qwerty12: you might not even be able to flash :p Mar 23 11:04:05 Lol, I hope not. But I'm not testing to find out :p Mar 23 11:04:43 I have been there :P http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/wiki/RecoverBrokenDevice Mar 23 11:05:06 that was a white screen of death Mar 23 11:05:11 You know what I'm excited about? Running Pandora stuff on the N900. Mar 23 11:05:39 keesj: Eek, thanks for the link... Mar 23 11:06:30 I'm not so keen on buying another internet tablet IMO, TBH, I'd rather just buy a pandora Mar 23 11:07:27 Eh, my desire for a pure gaming device is low. Mar 23 11:08:46 Will N900 have closed components like the N8*0 now? Mar 23 11:09:13 Guaranteed Mar 23 11:10:00 :(, kinda puts me off getting another one. I know I'm not a developer or anything but I think more could be done with a Pandora. Mar 23 11:10:22 Anyway, the Pandora is ugly as shit. Mar 23 11:10:28 Lol, true Mar 23 11:10:30 Horrifying, really. Mar 23 11:11:08 True actually, so because they are using same OMAP, would Pandora programs work on N900? Mar 23 11:11:31 pandora isn't on store shelves yet Mar 23 11:11:49 But lot of the info about it is already available. Mar 23 11:12:02 I think even a PCB pic is available (?) Mar 23 11:12:04 glass, and never will be. :P Mar 23 11:12:11 a lot of info about a lot of cancelled devices is.... Mar 23 11:12:15 Yeah, they've put up a few PCB shots over the last week. Mar 23 11:12:54 Yeah, the CPUs will be virtually identical (assuming, anyway, that Nokia goes in the direction my logic circuits tell me they will :D). Mar 23 11:13:23 w00t! I dunno, if I ever get enough money and wait it out to see which device is more popular Mar 23 11:14:55 odd question but is N8*0 based a bit on BB5 platform for Nokia phones? retu & tahvo chips are found in BB5 phones, phoenix supports the N800 & my N800 comes up as a BB5 update device. Mar 23 11:15:11 I guess thats why those chips are closed, if so. Mar 23 11:17:08 yeah it'd be nice to see maemo on something besides just tablets Mar 23 11:17:15 pandora would be 'perfect' for it Mar 23 11:17:28 More or less possible now. Mar 23 11:17:49 whats the os supposed to be in pandora? Mar 23 11:17:52 The important parts, anyway. Mar 23 11:17:54 'shipping on something; Mar 23 11:18:00 i should have said Mar 23 11:18:04 Ah, right. Mar 23 11:18:08 Well, Ubuntu Mobile, then. Mar 23 11:18:15 glass, practically nothing. Mar 23 11:18:18 A loader, basically. Mar 23 11:18:26 yes Mar 23 11:18:28 ok Mar 23 11:18:38 Help. If I want to add kernel module to N800, after I compile the module. Which should I do then. Which software should be installed in N800 Mar 23 11:19:02 i think insmod exists Mar 23 11:19:09 pupnik is right Mar 23 11:19:23 just use insmod as root to insert a module Mar 23 11:21:34 My question is when I connect N800 to my computer. Only the directory in the memory card shows. The system directory doesn't show Mar 23 11:21:51 scp Mar 23 11:21:53 sftp Mar 23 11:22:03 You cannot mount rootfs over usb afaik Mar 23 11:22:26 You can't mount it on two machines. :P Mar 23 11:23:57 True lol. Mar 23 11:24:13 Anyother way that I can log to the N800 in my PC Mar 23 11:25:04 scp Mar 23 11:25:05 sftp Mar 23 11:25:24 qwerty12: I think you can Mar 23 11:26:01 But not while the N800 is using it right? Mar 23 11:26:11 *mount the rootfs over usb* ther initds does even provide a menu entry(I did never test it) Mar 23 11:26:25 alright ( I was thinking the oposite) Mar 23 11:26:28 sorry Mar 23 11:26:40 here the new kernel locks used partition Mar 23 11:26:54 that is, doesn't export it Mar 23 11:27:04 no room for error Mar 23 11:27:17 keesj: Yes, that is what I was thinking. I think it would work in initfs Mar 23 11:29:00 On N810 of course Mar 23 11:33:39 this is so god damn frustrating! Mar 23 11:34:09 I'm about closed to smashing this piece of shit with a hammer Mar 23 11:34:23 it is a god damn $230 brick now Mar 23 11:36:48 wormfood: first, get root access on device. second: the wireless-tools might help you troubleshooting problems. Mar 23 11:38:26 it is not a wireless problem Mar 23 11:38:29 it is a dhcp problem Mar 23 11:41:10 mm, yes. but being able to associate from commandline, then run udhcpc from command line could give you some info. Mar 23 11:42:01 jott: bored? Mar 23 11:57:22 running udhcpd from the command line does not do a god damn thing Mar 23 12:02:22 they did a shitty job on the n800's networking abilities Mar 23 12:02:34 I can't even get "ifup" to work Mar 23 12:03:06 udhcpd gives me no such device Mar 23 12:03:08 pupnik: not as much as i would like :) .. why? Mar 23 12:04:00 gp2x snes emu is compiled and loading roms - needs audio, video and input Mar 23 12:04:35 WormFood: sorry i don't know the answer Mar 23 12:04:58 It's busybox, WormFood. Mar 23 12:05:14 It doesn't have all the same pieces as a heavier weight distro. Mar 23 12:05:22 hmm nice.. but nothing i would want to do atm atleast :/ Mar 23 12:05:57 hehe ok Mar 23 12:06:03 I know it is busybox, but still, I don't expect it to tell me the device does not exist when I can see it with ifconfig Mar 23 12:06:31 did I overlook the arrow keys on the on-screen keyboard...I can't seem to find them anywhere Mar 23 12:06:42 You have a giant d-pad on the left. Mar 23 12:07:20 I never expected that to be the arrow keys Mar 23 12:07:30 Why not? Mar 23 12:07:46 What else would it be? Mar 23 12:10:26 wormfood: Mar 23 12:10:54 ugh. (wasn't going to say anything) Mar 23 12:20:41 Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. Mar 23 12:20:58 Lucky Mar 23 12:21:59 pupnik, ouch Mar 23 12:22:05 http://laughingsquid.com/ Mar 23 12:24:22 lmao you can book a flight with them Mar 23 13:01:33 ever make the mistake of scrolling up in irssi with shift+pgup and then, for a split second, being REALLY confused? Mar 23 13:04:34 shift-pageup? Mar 23 13:08:05 hmm. snowing here now.. Mar 23 13:08:20 much. Mar 23 13:16:53 hi Mar 23 13:17:17 hi Mar 23 13:17:56 how can i uninstall packages with "invisible" dependencies on os2008 ? Mar 23 13:18:33 eg. python-something is required by canolad Mar 23 13:18:49 but I already removed canola... Mar 23 13:19:11 i don't have gainroot on my n810 Mar 23 13:19:32 i don't think i do either Mar 23 13:19:50 i just ssh to root@localhost Mar 23 13:19:57 ?? Mar 23 13:20:02 that works ??? Mar 23 13:20:10 without password ? Mar 23 13:20:31 you need to install openssh Mar 23 13:20:40 i did Mar 23 13:20:53 gonna test that Mar 23 13:22:24 oh yeah Mar 23 13:22:35 ssh-server... Mar 23 13:22:48 how can people live without root? :) Mar 23 13:23:13 i couldn't... Mar 23 13:23:13 It's a barbaric world. Mar 23 13:23:23 though i prefer sudo... Mar 23 13:23:29 how can people live without ssh? :O Mar 23 13:23:58 webustany: sudo is root access in my book :) Mar 23 13:24:21 * webustany hugs openbsd Mar 23 13:24:47 yes Mar 23 13:25:05 but you keep your environment Mar 23 13:28:17 * jott pokes webustany with an "sudo -i" Mar 23 13:29:47 * lcuk lives without root Mar 23 13:29:51 * lcuk is a carnivore Mar 23 13:30:42 * jott feeds lcuk cows with a root Mar 23 13:31:12 * lcuk opens the fistula and throws the rotting material at jott Mar 23 13:31:33 * jott evades Mar 23 13:32:03 * lcuk picks up jott and puts him into the fistual opening Mar 23 13:32:04 * jott gains extra skill "Evade rotting materials" Mar 23 13:32:07 evade that :P Mar 23 13:32:23 (after fixing typo)_ Mar 23 13:33:21 is it normal form now to get a hosted machine and install your own CMS on it - or does maemo garage have enough help around? Mar 23 13:33:23 * jott eats the cow from the inside out and wins Mar 23 13:34:33 hm probably easier to get a blog instead :) Mar 23 13:35:03 but a blog is so...bleugh Mar 23 13:35:09 I've always been a run-my-own-services-person. Mar 23 13:35:30 one learns a lot by doing it, also. Mar 23 13:35:47 the only easily accessible space i have is google pages, but theres no services runnable - i cant host an svn or bugtracker Mar 23 13:36:01 but then there is cost veggen Mar 23 13:36:31 I run everything at home on the adsl line I need anyways. Mar 23 13:36:33 well for svn/bt you can use garage or code.google Mar 23 13:36:44 code google might do me Mar 23 13:36:55 granted, I don't run high traffic services. Mar 23 13:37:02 but garage is more likely to get me a cheap nokia at next upgrade Mar 23 13:37:31 Veggen: hehe yeah for private use it's fine but i don't want to waste upstream bandwidth if there are better solutions :) Mar 23 13:37:35 i suppose i will have to have a proper look around in the coming weeks Mar 23 13:37:56 i do not want to host anything on home - its actually low bandwidth cable (at least upstream) Mar 23 13:38:16 i could host it on 810 i suppose Mar 23 13:38:27 that way bandwidth wouldnt be a problem ;) Mar 23 13:38:36 jott: though - I've considered putting my private stuff on a server hosting platform. Mar 23 13:53:35 Morning, all Mar 23 13:54:00 Afternoon ;) :) Mar 23 14:13:04 qwerty12_N800: true Mar 23 14:16:56 Ok this is crazy. the lead singer of Iron Maiden flys the band's Boeing 757 when they're on tour. <-- I knew that, but did you know he is also a world class fencer? Mar 23 14:20:30 heh no. :) checking the wiki now Mar 23 14:22:13 I've been listening to Iron Maiden since 1983 or 1984 (1984 is when I bought my first maiden album) Mar 23 14:23:02 Iron Maide has been around since 1976 I think it was when they first started Mar 23 14:23:05 maiden* Mar 23 14:23:42 old farts Mar 23 14:23:49 hmm. maybe a colleage of mine knows him, then. He (my colleague) is an international fencing judge and president of the norwegian fencing association... Mar 23 14:24:14 cool Mar 23 14:24:16 but i can't see him listening to Iron Maiden :) Mar 23 14:24:26 I'm not that old jaska...I'm only 39 Mar 23 14:24:36 well, iron maiden are :) Mar 23 14:24:40 I'm not pushing 40...I'm pulling 30 Mar 23 14:24:53 27, albeit my 30s-crisis started when i hit 21 Mar 23 14:25:37 You can say when I hit my mid-life crisis, I moved to China ;) (that is not really true, but some people see it as that) Mar 23 14:25:45 ahh, thought i was in another channel :) Mar 23 14:26:30 its a small internet. Mar 23 14:27:19 hehehe...funny, eh jaska? Mar 23 14:27:34 I've seen other people I know on other irc servers in unrelated channels :P Mar 23 14:28:51 funny how much crossover i see in *mythtv-users and #rockbox Mar 23 14:28:52 anyways, I'm off to bed, I'll see you all l8r Mar 23 14:28:59 night Mar 23 14:28:59 nn. Mar 23 14:29:23 well, jaska and I hang out on a totally different channel, on a totally different server. Mar 23 14:29:35 that'll happen Mar 23 14:34:14 WormFood, whereabouts in china? Mar 23 14:39:40 morning Mar 23 14:55:34 yawn. Mar 23 14:56:08 idem Mar 23 14:57:04 anything important happened while i was sleeping? Mar 23 15:10:12 KotCzarny, nothing of importance. Mar 23 15:10:17 move along.. Mar 23 15:10:31 good. back to sleep then. Mar 23 15:18:03 go bruce Mar 23 15:19:02 has anyone formatted the n810 internal memory card to ext2/3 Mar 23 15:19:22 that wouldn't be a wise thing Mar 23 15:19:27 why is that? Mar 23 15:19:39 because it's a raw flash Mar 23 15:19:51 and no one said anything about wear levelling Mar 23 15:20:00 (as it happens on sd) Mar 23 15:20:05 so jffs2 is a must there Mar 23 15:20:22 it's preformatted as fat Mar 23 15:20:24 umm Mar 23 15:20:37 jott: are we talking about sd card or built in flash? Mar 23 15:20:37 it's fine to use ext instead Mar 23 15:20:39 I mean the 2GB internal flash disk Mar 23 15:20:51 obviously the 2gb card Mar 23 15:21:05 ptman: is that flash disk removable? Mar 23 15:21:29 not without opening the device Mar 23 15:21:32 I've been thinking about it, but is there anyone with experience? I'd like to know if software break with a case-sensitive fs etc. Mar 23 15:21:47 KotCzarny: check out the specs on the n810 Mar 23 15:22:11 jott: built in flash in n810 is a soldered sd card? or one-nand flash ? Mar 23 15:22:28 should be some kind of sd/mmc Mar 23 15:22:54 hmm Mar 23 15:22:54 dmesg Mar 23 15:22:57 oops Mar 23 15:23:01 :> Mar 23 15:23:59 well anyway. it works fine with ext.. fat is evil anyway Mar 23 15:24:29 they solder in sd cards? interesting Mar 23 15:24:42 and do you need a custom kernel for ext3 support? Mar 23 15:24:54 no Mar 23 15:24:56 ptman, ext3 module is on initfs Mar 23 15:25:17 good Mar 23 15:29:22 i wonder why they haven't made a solution similiar to n800 Mar 23 15:29:44 ie. one easily removable and one hidden under-cover slot Mar 23 15:30:18 could be that they want to encourage people to buy new units when and if the internal memory goes kaput Mar 23 15:30:22 maybe they were afraid people will overwrite bootloader then Mar 23 15:30:25 is there actually anyone who disassembled his/her n810? Mar 23 15:30:41 i have seen naked n800's photos Mar 23 15:30:42 :> Mar 23 15:30:51 yeah they are of no interests :P Mar 23 15:31:07 i liked them :P Mar 23 15:31:13 *geekpr0n* Mar 23 15:31:35 booring .. i want to see n810 nude pics :) Mar 23 15:31:47 only if the pics include close-up shots of the chips! Mar 23 15:31:54 yeah give it to me! Mar 23 15:32:19 czr: they were a closeups Mar 23 15:32:20 :> Mar 23 15:32:56 * czr drools a bit. Mar 23 15:33:02 but it's really strange as most devices get disassembled sooner or later by people who know they will get them back together easily afterwards :) Mar 23 15:33:13 although I bet it's not as sexy as a proper BER-decode of an X.509 Mar 23 15:33:18 after owning an iphone for more than a day, i can honestly say that i love my n800 more much. Mar 23 15:33:24 but n800 is milf stuff :P Mar 23 15:33:36 pf Mar 23 15:33:37 :P Mar 23 15:33:43 better milf in hand.. :P Mar 23 15:33:44 ;) Mar 23 15:33:55 milf always reminds me of the email addresses of the finnish military people Mar 23 15:33:57 @mil.fi Mar 23 15:34:00 ;) Mar 23 15:34:07 which.. for obvious reasons, it quite funny when sending them email. Mar 23 15:34:22 hmm Mar 23 15:34:27 htc looks interesting Mar 23 15:34:38 http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1080 Mar 23 15:34:44 no naked but overall chic Mar 23 15:34:59 brb. breakfast Mar 23 15:35:02 but maybe my iphone judgements are premature... Mar 23 15:36:13 i tried out an ipod touch a while ago. didn't really get what the fuss was about Mar 23 15:36:26 apart from the nice transitions Mar 23 15:36:41 i think thats it... Mar 23 15:36:49 really nice gui Mar 23 15:37:39 personally i like my n800 more ;) Mar 23 15:37:49 this htc thing is huge :O Mar 23 15:37:55 (e.g i don't need a pc to plonk music on for starters!) Mar 23 15:40:00 http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/11435-HTC-Shift-vs-Nokia-n810 hm :O Mar 23 15:41:39 i like how they are always trying to compare the ITs with phones... Mar 23 15:41:42 eeek. Mar 23 15:42:33 2414 user SW 208M 1 0.0168.4 browser Mar 23 15:42:33 what?! an IT isn't a phone? OMFWTF?! ;) Mar 23 15:42:45 208m? wow Mar 23 15:42:47 i guess it is Mar 23 15:43:13 you can skype and voip - hence it's a phone :) Mar 23 15:43:58 man landline connections are voip nowadays too :) Mar 23 15:44:01 many Mar 23 15:45:06 not a cellular phone Mar 23 15:45:13 comeback for that one Mar 23 15:46:12 well we are not far aways from cellular voice going over ip in larger scale Mar 23 15:47:20 tmobile is offering something like this... Mar 23 15:50:29 top isn't an exact mem checker Mar 23 15:52:29 it's not even close to exact. Mar 23 15:53:19 top isn't a benchmark too Mar 23 15:53:21 :) Mar 23 15:53:48 well. it's usually not *that* wrong? unless you're thinking about shared memory usage, etc... Mar 23 15:53:51 well it's exact but the number is not what people think it is :) Mar 23 15:54:15 though /proc/$PID/status is a bit more verbose :) Mar 23 16:02:43 * koyote fails to find an angband. Mar 23 16:02:51 ask pupnik Mar 23 16:02:53 actually, not a lot of games of types i do play are ported Mar 23 16:02:54 neat, moving my menu bar to the bottom (when rotated) now allows me to see the call button in skype. muhahah Mar 23 16:03:00 pupnik.de Mar 23 16:03:08 i looked on pupnik's page. Mar 23 16:03:12 hum Mar 23 16:03:19 i believe i have seen nethack there Mar 23 16:03:21 MangoFusion: screen shot? Mar 23 16:03:34 and i believe zangband will compile in scratchbox without a problem Mar 23 16:03:35 frozen bubble must also be nice rotated Mar 23 16:03:47 there's another bubble clone Mar 23 16:03:48 there's tome Mar 23 16:03:51 forgot the name Mar 23 16:03:51 :) Mar 23 16:04:03 not fond of nethack so much. Mar 23 16:04:08 freeciv? Mar 23 16:04:12 probably Mar 23 16:04:24 have you tried compiling in sb/sdk ? Mar 23 16:04:51 i have an angband? Mar 23 16:05:15 i thought i have seen it somewhere , hum Mar 23 16:05:32 well, there was one being worked on Mar 23 16:05:43 hah. Mar 23 16:05:46 i knew it! Mar 23 16:05:47 :) Mar 23 16:06:39 angband, emacs, vlc and I can get rid of my laptop Mar 23 16:06:41 hmm appears that taking a screenshot does not work correctly (using that status applet) Mar 23 16:07:27 MangoFusion: imagemagick works fine though.. Mar 23 16:07:46 hmm i have angband armel here and never uploaded it? Mar 23 16:08:25 koyote: want 3.0.6 or 3.0.9 ? Mar 23 16:08:56 can't be arsed to install that Mar 23 16:09:03 MangoFusion: Screenshot in rotation? Mar 23 16:09:09 yeah Mar 23 16:09:15 yup. Mar 23 16:09:17 I use the mh shot tool. Mar 23 16:09:21 ah Mar 23 16:09:27 MangoFusion: i use "import -window root foo.png" :) Mar 23 16:09:34 but it's because s-tool expects fixed size i believe Mar 23 16:10:03 load applet works a *bit* better if you set it to low level screenshots Mar 23 16:10:54 pupnik: either, but 3.0.9 is better, i think Mar 23 16:11:29 I agree with the new direction. though scripting is handy with limited inputs. Mar 23 16:14:29 just used the old fashioned approach Mar 23 16:14:30 http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=n800rotskqs0.jpg Mar 23 16:14:32 koyote http://pupnik.de/angband_3.0.9-1_armel.deb angband (sdl) Mar 23 16:14:51 thanks KotCzarny Mar 23 16:14:53 see? big fat call button nicely visible. and contact picture too Mar 23 16:15:00 lol Mar 23 16:15:45 MangoFusion: nice Mar 23 16:15:57 hmm Mar 23 16:16:12 generally speaking i think the rotate stuff is great Mar 23 16:16:14 how did you get upright skype and menubar on the bottom? Mar 23 16:16:24 just wish there was support by default Mar 23 16:16:32 Drag the menu bar to bottom in rotation mode. Mar 23 16:16:37 menubar on bottom? rotate then drag with the stylus Mar 23 16:16:38 oo Mar 23 16:16:41 it's draggable? Mar 23 16:16:44 Yea Mar 23 16:16:45 that looks to be dawnmists build Mar 23 16:16:52 doesn't work in normal mode though, very odd Mar 23 16:16:53 first time i heard about it Mar 23 16:16:54 cool Mar 23 16:17:19 oops amazing :) Mar 23 16:17:57 * KotCzarny tries it Mar 23 16:17:58 must be a stupid hack.. if (width=800 && height=480) return YOU_SUCK; :) Mar 23 16:18:11 actually seems to be working in normal mode now. though i've never tried it before without rotation so i have little basis for speculation Mar 23 16:18:19 hmm Mar 23 16:18:25 how do i drag it? Mar 23 16:18:36 drag from under task navigator Mar 23 16:18:39 i start at the bottom just before the window bar Mar 23 16:18:46 then drag to an edge Mar 23 16:18:46 lol Mar 23 16:18:53 it disappeared :/ Mar 23 16:18:56 totally :/ Mar 23 16:19:05 now i'm without menubar Mar 23 16:19:08 pupnik: cool, gonna try it out. Mar 23 16:19:19 KotCzarny: you dragged it out of the screen :) Mar 23 16:19:26 Has anybody tried Bundyo's newly compiled mplayer ? flv works perfectly compared to Serge's build but menu doesn't work and gmplayer is broken :(. Mar 23 16:19:37 jott, yeah, sure, now how do i get it back? Mar 23 16:19:38 ;) Mar 23 16:19:38 hm still i can't drag it in normal mode.. just rotated Mar 23 16:19:43 rotate? :) Mar 23 16:19:57 seems to work fine in normal mode for me atm Mar 23 16:20:02 nope Mar 23 16:20:07 it's gone! Mar 23 16:20:10 argh?! Mar 23 16:20:21 Take out your battery quick :p Mar 23 16:20:41 its a little bit unpredictable i think Mar 23 16:20:53 i want my menubar back :/ Mar 23 16:21:09 MangoFusion: hmm right when you move it when rotated and let it in the non default position then i can drag it too Mar 23 16:21:17 crap now mine has gone Mar 23 16:21:20 haha Mar 23 16:21:21 lol Mar 23 16:21:28 it's contagious ;) Mar 23 16:21:43 3rd time lucky for someone? :p Mar 23 16:21:52 qwerty: your turn :P Mar 23 16:21:53 * jott now has the menubar on top in non rotated mode :O that looks ugly Mar 23 16:22:10 would be lovely if i could get it bacl Mar 23 16:23:23 ok restarted and now its in the default position again *phew* Mar 23 16:23:25 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop-menu-gone.png Mar 23 16:23:47 That actually looks good :p Mar 23 16:23:49 http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5020/fuglyiw6.png :) Mar 23 16:23:54 that is ugly :o Mar 23 16:24:33 I am missing libsdl-ttf and hildon-libs Mar 23 16:24:37 guess I should fix that Mar 23 16:24:58 still a really nice find :) Mar 23 16:25:02 yup Mar 23 16:25:08 esp. when rotated Mar 23 16:25:12 have to find the, of course Mar 23 16:25:14 but could be nice if it worked realiably Mar 23 16:25:24 koyote: apt-get Mar 23 16:25:24 oddly now i've restarted the menu bar no longer moves Mar 23 16:25:30 and apt-cache search Mar 23 16:25:34 :) Mar 23 16:25:41 MangoFusion: yeah it's somehow locked until you rotate :) Mar 23 16:25:49 I haven't moved past app manager yet Mar 23 16:25:53 but as soon as i rotate it decides to work Mar 23 16:25:55 yes Mar 23 16:27:56 it's much more usable at the bottom.. esp. for launching apps and switching tasks with the finger Mar 23 16:27:57 could be nice to integrate menubar moving into rotate applet Mar 23 16:28:34 well just drag it :O Mar 23 16:28:38 yes would be a lot easier Mar 23 16:28:46 :) Mar 23 16:28:48 i wonder if it's dbus controllable or somehow Mar 23 16:28:50 jott: yeah, sure Mar 23 16:28:59 right now i'm menuless Mar 23 16:28:59 ;) Mar 23 16:30:11 that's why it could be nice to have a way to get it back Mar 23 16:30:17 via simple 'rotate again' Mar 23 16:30:29 hm funny bug(?) with the bookmarks - when the menu is at the bottom (while rotated) it won't start at entry 0 (i.e. open new browser window) but just in the middle of the list Mar 23 16:30:57 yeah if you find out how to remote controll it i will integrate it in the rotate app :) Mar 23 16:31:02 :) Mar 23 16:31:38 i wonder, menubar is a part of matchbox or some nokia's addon? Mar 23 16:32:11 i guess it's part of hildon-desktop?! Mar 23 16:32:16 but could also be matchbox Mar 23 16:32:19 not sure Mar 23 16:32:32 hildon-desktop is closed? Mar 23 16:32:37 no Mar 23 16:32:45 let's see Mar 23 16:33:23 yeah seems to be hildon-desktop Mar 23 16:34:38 hm Mar 23 16:34:50 :D Mar 23 16:36:00 okay, guess I'll get apt working when I get back Mar 23 16:36:09 off to take the kids to zombie jesus day! Mar 23 16:38:26 heh Mar 23 16:38:41 don't let jesus bite them :O Mar 23 16:38:47 hildon_desktop_panel_grab_motion_event Mar 23 16:39:00 I hope zombie jesus hid lots of zombie larva eggs around this year Mar 23 16:39:15 strange how they taste so good Mar 23 16:39:27 mmm, eggs Mar 23 16:39:52 ah. it's for panels. Mar 23 16:39:53 hum Mar 23 16:43:20 hm speaking of eggs .. time to reveal the n810 hardware easter egg :) Mar 23 16:43:30 hint? Mar 23 16:43:31 ;) Mar 23 16:43:48 it has to do with the hardware :> Mar 23 16:43:54 Everyone asks about hardware easter eggs. The 770 has a microphone and the N800 has an FM tuner. Does the N810 have any secret hardware? . Mar 23 16:43:55 hehe Mar 23 16:44:05 same google result? Mar 23 16:44:34 fm transmitter? Mar 23 16:44:36 :> Mar 23 16:44:57 the "real" gps unit? :) Mar 23 16:47:51 a accelerometer? :) Mar 23 16:48:08 an integrated taser? Mar 23 16:48:10 50$ bills printer? Mar 23 16:48:11 ;) Mar 23 16:48:40 Glock 40? Mar 23 16:48:56 kitchen sink? Mar 23 16:49:02 Mac-10? Mar 23 16:49:07 rpg ? Mar 23 16:49:08 ;) Mar 23 16:49:21 AK-47? ;) :p Mar 23 16:49:30 rpg beats ak-47 ;) Mar 23 16:49:50 Damn, now I use my glock 40 on you :p Mar 23 16:49:57 self-desctruction mechanism :) Mar 23 16:50:01 no you don't Mar 23 16:50:02 :) Mar 23 16:50:08 you're too fragmented Mar 23 16:50:09 ;) Mar 23 16:50:11 lol Mar 23 16:50:17 we do better than this stupid iphone wipe :O Mar 23 16:50:33 why wipe when you can explode? :) Mar 23 16:50:51 * qwerty12 blinks Mar 23 16:50:52 approved by us dod Mar 23 16:50:53 ;) Mar 23 16:50:57 (; Mar 23 16:51:28 man why are there no hardware freaks to just dissect this thing :) Mar 23 16:51:37 jott, you first Mar 23 16:51:40 i have n800 anyway Mar 23 16:51:41 :) Mar 23 16:52:03 or some chinese guys who faked a nda to get on the internal schematics :) Mar 23 16:52:30 i believe internal schematics are available Mar 23 16:52:32 :> Mar 23 16:52:41 haven't you seen the link? Mar 23 16:52:45 for n810? Mar 23 16:52:51 n800 does not count Mar 23 16:52:54 ahm Mar 23 16:53:04 let me check Mar 23 16:53:04 :) Mar 23 16:53:13 * KotCzarny has n800 so it does count Mar 23 16:53:47 no Mar 23 16:53:55 n800 ftw Mar 23 16:56:03 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA&feature=related Mar 23 16:56:04 nice Mar 23 16:56:20 old :p Mar 23 16:56:26 Seen that before, would be so much better on N800 :p Mar 23 16:56:35 this size it could be on sd card Mar 23 16:56:36 hum Mar 23 16:57:08 hmm Mar 23 16:57:12 transparent app bar Mar 23 16:57:54 Check out the screenshots thread in general on internet tablet talk Mar 23 16:58:18 Two themes posted which make at leas t one of the bars transparent :p Mar 23 16:58:33 what's the app name? Mar 23 16:58:59 brb Mar 23 16:59:09 hmm Mar 23 16:59:17 'home' key doesn't call app list Mar 23 16:59:25 (/me still menubarless) Mar 23 16:59:54 Tried taking out your battery? bit extreme but hopefully your N800 wont have saved settings Mar 23 17:00:01 I used to do it on my W810 all the time Mar 23 17:00:48 no, i just want to find a way to bring it back without a reset Mar 23 17:00:58 Tried killing matchbox? Mar 23 17:01:08 that will reboot the device Mar 23 17:01:13 :) Mar 23 17:01:25 some rogue applet could work Mar 23 17:01:32 For me it just loads desktop back into "safe mode" unless you count that as reboot :) Mar 23 17:01:47 what's the killall name? Mar 23 17:01:59 Dunno, I just use load applet. Mar 23 17:02:13 what proces do you kill then? Mar 23 17:02:14 :) Mar 23 17:02:51 killall hildon-desktop - when killed, your applets disable until you reboot. if you send quit signal, your programs quit too. you send kill signal, your programs *should* be there :p Mar 23 17:03:12 worked. Mar 23 17:03:14 hah. Mar 23 17:03:55 Heres one transparent theme: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=157583&postcount=308 Mar 23 17:04:12 hmm Mar 23 17:04:18 moving menubar roolez Mar 23 17:04:37 but app menu is inaccessible then :/ Mar 23 17:05:02 i think getting rid of whole menubar and installing statusbar menu is the way to go Mar 23 17:07:00 now.. how did i managed to get rid of it Mar 23 17:07:01 lol Mar 23 17:07:55 who is baby here? Mar 23 17:07:58 Any notepad++ like editor for linux that lets you search multiple file simultaneously Mar 23 17:08:01 KotCzarny: i think if you move to the bottom when in landscape it tends to vanish Mar 23 17:09:39 i can't get rid of it, hum Mar 23 17:09:53 (i can set it's width to 0px though in prefs) Mar 23 17:10:06 It won't let you kill it :p Mar 23 17:10:16 It wants to live :p Mar 23 17:10:43 hi qwerty12 Mar 23 17:10:52 hello Italodance Mar 23 17:11:27 qwerty12: vim :p Mar 23 17:11:37 Nooooo Mar 23 17:11:48 I only know "I" and ":wq" Mar 23 17:11:50 :p Mar 23 17:12:13 kill -9 Mar 23 17:12:35 vimtutor :) Mar 23 17:12:55 Ok, thanks Mar 23 17:13:42 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 Mar 23 17:20:18 hmm Mar 23 17:20:25 nuovoclear has one quirk Mar 23 17:20:36 kot, that tilt sensor - it was let down by the graphics Mar 23 17:20:49 lcuk: hmm? Mar 23 17:21:26 KotCzarny: Any good at GIMPin (I'd say photoshop but this is Linux. as for me, I get out my gimp suit when I need it... :p :D) Mar 23 17:21:46 tearing Mar 23 17:22:39 qwerty: no, it's because in vertical mode Mar 23 17:22:47 * lcuk noticed today that sdl has yuv overlay support. hope its hardware based Mar 23 17:22:51 desktopmenu goes over statusbas Mar 23 17:23:11 skeen - I see, Mar 23 17:24:08 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2354838924_a80ebaa5a8.jpg Mar 23 17:24:13 how's that theme named? Mar 23 17:24:33 I think its one of default themes Mar 23 17:24:38 Just different background Mar 23 17:25:12 thats a gr8 shot on the theme :D it really is fast and well positioned Mar 23 17:25:45 but which one it is Mar 23 17:25:46 grr Mar 23 17:25:47 :) Mar 23 17:26:01 KotCzarny: The 1st guy to make a transparent theme in that thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152770&postcount=275 - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=152621&postcount=266 Mar 23 17:26:08 I'll check in a min. Mar 23 17:26:08 ah. Mar 23 17:26:11 'echo' Mar 23 17:26:14 found it :> Mar 23 17:26:20 * qwerty12 cancels that :p Mar 23 17:26:25 checking that is Mar 23 17:26:40 it's great for rotating Mar 23 17:28:20 is that theme actually borderless, or are the borders just he same shape? Mar 23 17:28:23 color* Mar 23 17:28:35 probably same shape Mar 23 17:28:41 and color Mar 23 17:28:54 otherwise it would be seen in vertical mode Mar 23 17:29:19 i bet my program blows chunks in vertical mode Mar 23 17:29:31 blows? Mar 23 17:29:49 KABOOOOOOOOOOM! type explosions Mar 23 17:29:55 :) Mar 23 17:30:29 can the dsp handle blitting? Mar 23 17:30:57 * lcuk might employ it as a copro Mar 23 17:32:09 Any one got a list of the "SDLK"'s for an N800, thanks Mar 23 17:32:40 *SDLKEYS . Sorry. Mar 23 17:32:50 /usr/include ? Mar 23 17:32:51 :) Mar 23 17:33:02 Ok, thanks, I told you I was stupid :p Mar 23 17:33:16 http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDLKey Mar 23 17:33:18 there are no n8x0 specific sdl keys Mar 23 17:33:25 Ok, thanks :) Mar 23 17:45:20 Anybody know what the SDL binding is for the Middle D-Pad button? Thanks. Mar 23 17:45:28 'enter' Mar 23 17:45:29 ;) Mar 23 17:45:36 Ah, yes, thanks ! Mar 23 17:45:44 just run xev Mar 23 17:45:50 and see that codes they generate Mar 23 17:45:56 (including other hw buttons) Mar 23 17:46:10 Ok, thanks. I tried xev but I don't get the output. I will read up on it :) Mar 23 17:46:19 hum Mar 23 17:46:20 weird Mar 23 17:46:34 but run it from ssh Mar 23 17:46:35 :> Mar 23 17:46:41 or from xterm Mar 23 17:47:03 I was in xterm :). I get output but me being developing n00b, I don't get it :) Mar 23 17:47:13 I dont understand I mean :) Mar 23 17:47:15 ah Mar 23 17:47:18 Sorry, I was misleading. Mar 23 17:47:30 then just press enter and look what 'keysym' it generates Mar 23 17:47:45 and similiar for other keys Mar 23 17:47:46 look for state 0x0, keycode 72 (keysym 0xffc3, F6), same_screen YES Mar 23 17:47:57 then you know F6 was pressed :) Mar 23 17:48:20 Ah yes, I see now, thanks both! :) Mar 23 17:48:38 it's a miracle! Mar 23 17:48:41 rejoice everyone! Mar 23 17:48:47 lol, w00t! :p Mar 23 17:48:59 Ok not really. I killed it. :p Mar 23 18:30:51 KotCzarny: do you know how to,get Polish POI db for maemo-mapper? Mar 23 18:31:02 my GPS works quite well Mar 23 18:32:42 anyone else? Mar 23 18:33:38 btw, maemo-mapper could use some better map compression Mar 23 18:40:03 hmm, everybody is partying or what? Mar 23 18:42:13 yeah Mar 23 18:43:14 :P Mar 23 18:43:23 so do I Mar 23 18:45:00 easter partgeeh, yeah! Mar 23 18:45:04 -g Mar 23 18:48:24 hmm, could someone point me to N810 kismet build too? Mar 23 18:49:27 or similar? Mar 23 18:49:42 N810 could be a wardriver's dream Mar 23 18:52:20 think I saw some kismet package somewhere. Mar 23 18:53:33 yeah i've got kismet on my n810. Mar 23 18:56:53 link? Mar 23 19:02:36 hmm? Mar 23 19:13:28 argh, got my hopes up Mar 23 19:13:36 and still no link! Mar 23 19:26:24 anybody using other than os2008 on their tablet? Mar 23 19:26:40 probably 770 users Mar 23 19:26:41 :> Mar 23 19:26:55 It's all about 2008 now :p Mar 23 19:27:19 o ok Mar 23 19:27:21 I see Mar 23 19:28:38 OS2008 is the fresh one Mar 23 19:32:16 ... need kismet ... (in that "Braaainz" zombie voice) Mar 23 19:33:53 need metasploit? Mar 23 19:34:17 kiiiismeeet Mar 23 19:34:19 Metasploit is slow on n800 :( Mar 23 19:34:34 for n810... Mar 23 19:34:40 can't get it to work on mine Mar 23 19:35:26 something about not loading REX Mar 23 19:35:26 810 and 800 have same hw Mar 23 19:35:38 skibur: It uses a massive amount of space though and it's really slow Mar 23 19:35:47 I guess I will just have to take my laptop to work Mar 23 19:35:47 KotCzarny: but not sw Mar 23 19:35:54 sw too Mar 23 19:36:23 nope Mar 23 19:36:28 aside from rootfs/initfs issues of course Mar 23 19:36:30 bora != chinook Mar 23 19:36:37 bora is os2007 Mar 23 19:36:42 yep Mar 23 19:36:54 Qwerty: do you have it currently installed? Mar 23 19:36:57 n800 is os2008 too Mar 23 19:37:07 Not any more. Mar 23 19:37:10 need cron too Mar 23 19:37:20 lol Mar 23 19:37:43 side note: what's keeping people from using maemo extras repository instead of their own? Mar 23 19:37:56 as a pentester, I think I shall stick to Lappy Mar 23 19:38:34 brb Mar 23 19:39:19 veggan: stuff has to go through testing repo Mar 23 19:41:11 skibur: http://mfresh-n800.blogspot.com/2007/07/installing-metasploit-framework-3-on.html Mar 23 19:41:18 Astorm: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12572 Mar 23 19:41:43 checking.... Mar 23 19:41:44 bora! Mar 23 19:41:47 I've used those personally, successfuly on os2008 Mar 23 19:42:12 ah, for cron, thx Mar 23 19:43:42 AStorm: but why isn't things in testing repo, then? :) Mar 23 19:44:00 veggan: people are lazy Mar 23 19:44:21 thus stuff from maemo.org isn't all there, even Mar 23 19:44:50 pupnik: what environment am I looking for here to get angband working? I need to install some deps that aren't showing up in application manager Mar 23 19:50:04 thanks for the guide qwerty. Deal breaker question. Speed.... is it worth having it on the n800? Mar 23 19:51:20 It's very slow loading menus but if you are v.patient it comes up Mar 23 19:51:42 For me. I removed it. Too much space and slow speed Mar 23 19:51:53 thanks for your comment Mar 23 19:52:21 Np :) Mar 23 19:52:26 :) Mar 23 19:57:43 koyote: did you check gronmayer for those dependencies? Mar 23 20:00:04 I'm missing hildon-libs0 when installing angband. Hmm, I wouldn't try to find that... Mar 23 20:00:49 ah, gtk gui then? Mar 23 20:01:48 I think so. I will just dpkg it with ignore deps and edit status file and hope for the best :p Mar 23 20:02:59 qwerty12_N800: you lack marketing skills Mar 23 20:03:30 You saw my thread then? :P Mar 23 20:03:48 yes Mar 23 20:05:09 I'm 15 and living in East London where it's all about grime, rnb & postcodes... My attitude is influenced :p Mar 23 20:05:49 postcodes? O.o Mar 23 20:05:54 xD Mar 23 20:06:09 Yep, E6 gonna merk e7... :P Mar 23 20:07:18 solmumaha: ?? Mar 23 20:07:53 I'm a bit new on this. Mar 23 20:07:59 koyote: http://gronmayer.com/it familiar? Mar 23 20:08:57 if not, get acquainted Mar 23 20:09:24 been doing this for 24 hoursa Mar 23 20:09:49 Woot, angband works on os2008! Mar 23 20:10:26 koyote: how has it been so far? Mar 23 20:11:40 great, really Mar 23 20:11:53 Desktop file is broken and from terminal it works but minimising is broken & screen size is odd. Mar 23 20:12:04 flashed os2008 last night, enabled extended applications, messed around, dia bunch of web browsing Mar 23 20:12:44 trying to deice if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media Mar 23 20:12:56 s/deice/decide/g Mar 23 20:12:56 koyote meant: trying to decide if gpe will handle PIM data well enough. got mplayer working but I REALLY need to reencode a lot of media Mar 23 20:13:19 koyote: what os you have on desktop? Mar 23 20:13:58 eeexubuntu 7.10 rc3 Mar 23 20:14:10 xubuntu 7.10, with asus eee pc hacks Mar 23 20:14:16 try mediaserv then Mar 23 20:14:24 (and, yeah, that IS my main computer) Mar 23 20:14:35 mediaserv for? Mar 23 20:14:46 watching videos Mar 23 20:14:51 It transcodes on the fly Mar 23 20:14:52 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html Mar 23 20:15:09 cool Mar 23 20:15:24 I'm mostly concerned with getting stuff onto sd cards for travel and such. Mar 23 20:15:36 well you can use that for it too Mar 23 20:16:08 just save it to your memory card Mar 23 20:17:26 I need to get more of those, too. after the keyboard Mar 23 20:17:53 mediatomb has transcoding nowadays too, but i never managed to get it working with the media player Mar 23 20:22:34 2008 doesn't have the same offline mode switch Mar 23 20:23:48 which of the 48 or so repos are important, or broken? Mar 23 20:24:19 well you can start by adding what you need Mar 23 20:25:03 using search Mar 23 20:32:15 is there a guide in the wiki for formatting the internal card as ext2 on n810? Mar 23 20:32:19 or anywhere else? Mar 23 20:32:35 why not simply boot off mmc? Mar 23 20:32:42 Check 1 of the many cloning threads. Mar 23 20:32:51 and keep internal as a rescue-os Mar 23 20:35:10 stylus should include a hole for a leash Mar 23 20:35:16 *grin* Mar 23 20:35:45 interesting idea. if it's stable, i might run off the 4gb card i put internally Mar 23 20:36:13 yeah, i plan moving to sd too Mar 23 20:39:21 LoCusF: apt-get install e2fsprogs? Mar 23 20:39:43 solmumaha: but he shouldn't use mke2fs on rootfs Mar 23 20:39:43 ;) Mar 23 20:39:56 i whink cloning fs to mmc first is a must then Mar 23 20:40:00 or boot off usb Mar 23 20:40:06 ah, ok Mar 23 20:40:38 glad i don't have n810 ;) Mar 23 20:40:45 You also need to insert ext2 modules if you format with ext2. Mar 23 20:41:06 i always assumed you had n810 :d Mar 23 20:42:00 nope, couldn't justify buying it Mar 23 20:42:31 Same here, i thought n800 was more worth it for me. Mar 23 20:43:04 well i bought n800 when it came out Mar 23 20:43:20 Not me :p Mar 23 20:43:37 i traded an old ipod for a 3 week old 800 yesterday. Mar 23 20:43:46 £300 more for a gps & keyboard wasnt a viable option for me. Mar 23 20:44:07 which was what i was looking for, anyway. the thumboard is cool, but I *know* i'm going to end up with a folding bt keyboard anyhow Mar 23 20:44:15 wow Mar 23 20:44:28 koyote, how old was the ipod? Mar 23 20:46:02 9 months. old gen 30gb video, plus $30, for the n800 Mar 23 20:46:18 hum Mar 23 20:46:41 fair enough for me. I've got plenty of sd cards around, and the screen on the 800 is nicer. Mar 23 20:50:06 801? Mar 23 20:50:11 upgrade? Mar 23 20:50:12 :) Mar 23 20:51:02 Nope, I got disconnected and reconnected and pidgin or nickseerv has bumped up my number by 1 :p Mar 23 20:51:18 if bumping hw revision was that easy Mar 23 20:51:19 :P Mar 23 20:51:51 Lol Mar 23 20:53:05 alp, you around? Mar 23 21:13:42 Does anyone know of a irssi package for maemo? Gronmayer isn't loading for me. Mar 23 21:15:40 qwerty. google, use it Mar 23 21:16:31 I tried one I found somewhere, it sefaulted or soemthing Mar 23 21:16:37 maemo.org? Mar 23 21:16:44 Astorm: I could have said the same thing about cron ;p but point taken. Mar 23 21:17:48 :) Mar 23 21:17:57 :) Mar 23 21:18:42 checking... Mar 23 21:18:55 i need a working cron too Mar 23 21:19:01 that one is junk Mar 23 21:19:06 for bora Mar 23 21:19:51 Bora cli binaries usually work in chinook. Theres another one too, let me check. Mar 23 21:20:10 alternatively, something to sync time Mar 23 21:20:27 check www.nitapps.com Mar 23 21:20:37 gronmayer is down Mar 23 21:21:19 you've reminded me actually to upd8 time lol Mar 23 21:21:54 I wanna try irssi on n800 but it's gonna suck w/out a bt kbd. :( Mar 23 21:23:59 Here's another cron http://maemo.daylessday.org/repo/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/ Mar 23 21:32:36 hi all Mar 23 21:32:52 Hello Mar 23 21:34:39 a quick question if someone uses the youtube plugin for canola2: where do the videos are saved? I'm using N810 Mar 23 21:34:50 Brb, bout to try irssi. Mar 23 21:38:04 Andy80, in the .canola folder Mar 23 21:38:47 just found.. really too bad :( Mar 23 21:39:02 it should save them on internal mini sd Mar 23 21:40:06 Irssi sux. Pissin seg faults :@ Mar 23 21:40:47 angband is a bit,,, well. not sure yet Mar 23 21:40:55 good interface methods Mar 23 21:41:19 koyote: xkbd Mar 23 21:41:20 Andy80: you could symlink it unless you find it bad in general :) Mar 23 21:41:20 :) Mar 23 21:41:23 Did you get it working? :) Mar 23 21:42:39 the problem is that main memory is only 256 wile the internal sd is 2 gb Mar 23 21:42:55 it's very strange not to use the sd! Mar 23 21:43:18 sounds like a design flaw yes Mar 23 21:44:10 I'm glad it was, not to sound callous but n800 compatibility would have a bit less Mar 23 21:44:24 maybe it was tested only on a n800, usually these people have an external mmc too Mar 23 21:59:58 xkbd, oi. i guess so. Mar 23 22:00:19 have no keyboard input showing up at all, is all Mar 23 22:01:51 then how are you typing in irc? Mar 23 22:01:56 lies!! Mar 23 22:02:45 heh Mar 23 22:02:56 :P Mar 23 22:28:18 hehe Mar 23 22:28:34 why, oh why are maps so large... Mar 23 22:29:00 any satellite map sources better than Google Satellite? Mar 23 22:29:09 (eastern europe) Mar 23 22:30:28 geeesus... even on easter 2.5 billion people in here.... GOOOD evening everyone :) Mar 23 22:30:48 Good evening :) Mar 23 22:30:52 :) Mar 23 22:31:00 And like always: the same :) Mar 23 22:31:06 because Maemo is mobile Mar 23 22:31:11 :) Mar 23 22:31:15 gooood marketing text! Mar 23 22:31:25 we're not bound to chairs Mar 23 22:31:27 * koyote sighs. Mar 23 22:31:30 "We can do - because maemo is mobile!" Mar 23 22:31:39 I'm so used to emacs for irc and mail and pim tracking Mar 23 22:32:03 koyote: dl the devel image and compile emacs for maemo Mar 23 22:32:09 I have just been chatting with a guy to see if we can make mojocafe.de work on the Nokia n95 and.... it does NOT work... could someone please hack the n95 and put maemo on it!? Mar 23 22:32:22 hehe Mar 23 22:32:31 wrong cpu? Mar 23 22:32:32 A port of emacs is on chinook Mar 23 22:32:36 AStorm: ugh. all I have to say on that. Mar 23 22:32:41 I am sure that the guys at Nokia won`t recognize it! Mar 23 22:32:46 qwerty12_N800: really? cool Mar 23 22:33:03 Yea, its on itt somewhere Mar 23 22:33:03 anybody played krazymario? Mar 23 22:33:14 Astorm: no, its not the CPU - its the fact that it has a thing called "AutoRotation". If you make a website fullscreen, it changes automaticly to landscape mode... Mar 23 22:33:48 what i really need if left handedness on this device Mar 23 22:33:54 scrollbars are painful Mar 23 22:34:20 Tried rrotation patch? Mar 23 22:34:41 nothing on gronmayer for emacs Mar 23 22:34:41 koyote: i think that THAT is the most difficult GUI task in design: making something fullscreen without scrolling. That's why, in my opinion, Canola is very nice! Mar 23 22:35:05 well, i just want the scrollbars on the left Mar 23 22:35:29 heh Mar 23 22:35:33 I believe rotation of screen to 270 would do that. Mar 23 22:35:36 just write a script Mar 23 22:35:54 or an applet Mar 23 22:36:08 rotation just needs reading fromthe sensor Mar 23 22:36:09 You cannot put maemo on n95 :p lol but bb5 parts are same Mar 23 22:36:17 hehe Mar 23 22:36:18 by the way: does the VisualBoy Advance Gameboy emulator run ok? Mar 23 22:36:38 Koyote: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189&highlight=emacs Mar 23 22:36:42 Emacs Mar 23 22:36:48 cybernotic: canola could've been better Mar 23 22:37:00 Aren't i resourceful :p Mar 23 22:37:08 lol Mar 23 22:37:09 seekbar sucks a bit Mar 23 22:37:38 there's no fullscreen high contrast clock Mar 23 22:37:47 :P Mar 23 22:37:52 Astorm: yeah, the setting options could be better. but as mentioned, its very hard to put so much info on a fullscreen option. That's what made me most headaches with mojocafe.de Mar 23 22:38:09 AStorm: at the mojocafe, there is :) Mar 23 22:38:13 heh Mar 23 22:38:29 mediabox Mar 23 22:38:39 I nu Mar 23 22:38:46 except it's buggy and has even suckier seekbar Mar 23 22:38:52 :P Mar 23 22:39:29 Radio support pwns tho in it Mar 23 22:39:37 * koyote gets slightly excited Mar 23 22:41:16 that's going to wait until i have the bt keyboard in my hands Mar 23 22:41:26 radio support of canola is betterf Mar 23 22:41:40 Canola uses internet Mar 23 22:41:40 supports .pls for one Mar 23 22:41:46 Im talking fm Mar 23 22:42:03 no FM in n810 afaicr Mar 23 22:42:07 But i forget, n810 doesn't have fm radio chip :p Mar 23 22:42:10 Yes Mar 23 22:42:10 :P Mar 23 22:42:23 who needs fm anyway Mar 23 22:42:34 I do ;) Mar 23 22:42:38 hehe Mar 23 22:42:47 old school Mar 23 22:43:17 Although i don't really use my n800 for music, my w810 even does a better job. Mar 23 22:43:47 whats your w810? Mar 23 22:44:10 I like fm radio sometimes. Mar 23 22:44:20 does the n800 do that? Mar 23 22:44:24 My Sony Ericsson Walkman phone - pretty old now Mar 23 22:44:28 Yes Mar 23 22:44:38 well, nope Mar 23 22:44:47 n810 is quite good Mar 23 22:44:55 not audiofile, but good Mar 23 22:45:19 I'll publish RMAA results later Mar 23 22:45:30 I use gtk-gnutella on my n800 and bt tracks over to my 810 :p Mar 23 22:45:38 hehe Mar 23 22:45:56 n800 has probably worse analog part of the signal Mar 23 22:46:01 sounds diff Mar 23 22:46:45 oh. dude. how much fun is this. I just relaized i have an old think outside bt keyboard i used on a blackberry a year ago Mar 23 22:46:58 Lol, lucky you :p Mar 23 22:47:05 Now i want one :( Mar 23 22:47:08 :P Mar 23 22:47:26 expensive Mar 23 22:48:02 and N810 keys are quite nice Mar 23 22:48:14 5 finger typing Mar 23 22:48:24 uhm, four Mar 23 22:49:03 N810 didn't justify £300 difference for me Mar 23 22:49:08 although with bt it could be useful for coding Mar 23 22:49:26 qwerty12_N800: well, 200€ Mar 23 22:49:56 At the time I bought my n800 (few months ago) Mar 23 22:50:28 well, i have an 800 anyway Mar 23 22:50:33 but then, I coiuld get N810, so it's better .0 Mar 23 22:50:36 .P Mar 23 22:50:55 i wanted the 800 for the dual sd slots Mar 23 22:51:02 I don't: N810 is smaller, pocketable Mar 23 22:51:10 that's what coumts Mar 23 22:51:13 the 800 is smaller than my 200lx Mar 23 22:51:16 not much more Mar 23 22:51:17 :) Mar 23 22:51:20 which may FINALLY get replaced. Mar 23 22:51:22 N800 is pocketable...it just depends on how big your pockets are :P Mar 23 22:51:26 enough to fit Mar 23 22:51:36 N800 wouldn't Mar 23 22:51:42 keyboard is the thing for me Mar 23 22:51:48 fairly large jeans pocket Mar 23 22:51:53 I wear a utilikilt most days, I think the n800 is fine and pocketable Mar 23 22:51:57 keyboard is nice, yup Mar 23 22:52:01 the keyboard is, too. Mar 23 22:52:12 koyote: batbelt? lol Mar 23 22:53:17 Astorm: nah, side pockets Mar 23 22:53:27 utilikilts.com Mar 23 22:53:31 hmm Mar 23 22:53:36 my n800 fits in my jeans pocket... Mar 23 22:53:39 gun holster? :P Mar 23 22:54:01 everyone knows 770 is the only pocketable one Mar 23 22:54:15 lol Mar 23 22:54:27 that's because it comes with it's own pocket... Mar 23 22:54:40 koyote: which ome? Mar 23 22:54:58 I like the construction model. have two of them Mar 23 22:55:07 I have my glocc in my holster :p Mar 23 22:55:14 construction model? Mar 23 22:55:33 btw, any place in EU I can get a good ... hmm, purse?,wallet? for N810? Mar 23 22:55:51 just use generic one Mar 23 22:55:53 workmans kilt Mar 23 22:56:07 heh Mar 23 22:56:17 true scotsman? Mar 23 22:56:33 qwerty12_N800: I doubt that given you can't even spell it correctly :P Mar 23 22:56:44 just tried TiEmu. genius Mar 23 22:56:56 not a chance. a bit of welsh and 75% swede families Mar 23 22:57:01 hehe Mar 23 22:57:15 kilts aren't about unwashed people from the arctic coast of the birtish isles. Mar 23 22:57:22 at least part british Mar 23 22:57:29 they're just manly. Mar 23 22:57:34 I know, just messing with you Mar 23 22:57:37 and my gf likes it....... Mar 23 22:57:45 o.O Mar 23 22:57:45 doc|home: glock then :p. I thought it was glocc tho Mar 23 22:58:06 No one in London wears a kilt :p Mar 23 22:58:19 so, where do i get a protective and nice purse for N810 in EU? Mar 23 22:58:22 no one in Ireland does either Mar 23 22:58:25 okay, I go get batteries at store Mar 23 22:58:43 AStorm: wait a week until i make some, jeez. Mar 23 22:58:46 any specialized fast charger? Mar 23 22:58:59 have to finish these 3 knife sheaths and make my own hardcase wallets Mar 23 22:59:07 koyote: blah, that I can too, but not from foam Mar 23 22:59:26 has to be slim Mar 23 22:59:38 slick like N810 too Mar 23 22:59:49 >.< Mar 23 22:59:58 Not really :p :d Mar 23 22:59:58 I want tough. I'm a knifemaker and bicyclist. I am really hard on stuff Mar 23 23:00:12 probably 8-10 ounce leather. Mar 23 23:00:31 black leather could be nice Mar 23 23:00:32 okay. store. batteries. then bt keyboard works Mar 23 23:00:48 wiith one side hardened and proper cuttings Mar 23 23:01:14 maybe with a clear window Mar 23 23:01:32 (hard thouugh) Mar 23 23:01:52 need to tone down that autorepeat :P Mar 23 23:06:28 blah, 300 MB... and depth 4 is 1.2 GB... Mar 23 23:07:05 :) Mar 23 23:07:07 yup Mar 23 23:07:24 and full maps of poland is some 100 TB Mar 23 23:07:30 ;) Mar 23 23:07:37 trick is to get every other zoom level Mar 23 23:07:45 nah Mar 23 23:07:55 I'm grabbing large Mar 23 23:08:05 and zooom 5 and 6 Mar 23 23:08:19 over 10 is tiny Mar 23 23:08:44 zoom 5 and 6 of certain cities ofc Mar 23 23:09:04 other levels are pointless, esp. 4 Mar 23 23:09:31 btw, how do i remove a level? (from card, downloaded) Mar 23 23:09:50 probably with the whole db.. Mar 23 23:09:51 :> Mar 23 23:09:56 noooo Mar 23 23:10:01 or just get some sqlite3 editor Mar 23 23:10:12 streamtuner is nice Mar 23 23:10:14 thought the same :P Mar 23 23:10:19 but 'stop' button doesn't work Mar 23 23:10:46 well, Warsaw and surroundings is 300 MB Mar 23 23:20:04 hmm, dling maps with maemo-mapper sure pegs the cpu Mar 23 23:21:55 wonder why Mar 23 23:22:03 processing, saving Mar 23 23:22:20 constantly adding tiles to the db? Mar 23 23:22:32 rehashing? Mar 23 23:24:03 johnx: probable Mar 23 23:24:23 not with transactions done properly Mar 23 23:25:10 anyone else noticed google maps barfing after dling some maps? Mar 23 23:26:32 nah Mar 23 23:26:37 work ok here Mar 23 23:26:38 yeah maemomapper should probably show the captcha needed :) Mar 23 23:26:48 :) Mar 23 23:26:58 or use some ocr to solve it :) Mar 23 23:27:14 i wonder if maemo-mapper maintainer knows about it Mar 23 23:27:15 :) Mar 23 23:27:42 the captcha is only needed if you go over about 2 GB of transfer Mar 23 23:27:53 no Mar 23 23:27:58 so it's rarely needed Mar 23 23:27:59 it's probably randomized Mar 23 23:28:13 unlikely Mar 23 23:28:16 i got it after ~100mb once Mar 23 23:28:31 I'd have hit that aleady today Mar 23 23:28:49 no, someone else from the IP hit the limit close Mar 23 23:28:57 :) Mar 23 23:29:03 increases the likelihood of a randomized limit :) Mar 23 23:29:23 who cares Mar 23 23:29:32 just dl it a few times Mar 23 23:29:33 those who hit by the limit earlier than you Mar 23 23:29:36 :P Mar 23 23:30:18 you won't get the limit if logged into google Mar 23 23:30:24 (cookie) Mar 23 23:30:34 h4h Mar 23 23:30:36 5 can' Mar 23 23:30:37 maemomaper won't use the cookie.. Mar 23 23:30:44 atleast atm Mar 23 23:30:59 Google will recognize the IP Mar 23 23:30:59 i can't seem to pair the keyboard Mar 23 23:31:10 lol Mar 23 23:31:14 koyote: need a driver? Mar 23 23:31:14 this would be mad Mar 23 23:31:24 frogpad + maemo is quite sweet Mar 23 23:31:37 pairing kb can be frustrating Mar 23 23:31:39 N810,is better than frogpad Mar 23 23:31:47 i got it after ~20-30 tries Mar 23 23:31:48 :> Mar 23 23:32:13 AStorm: what? have you actually tried a frogpad? the n810 keyboard doens't hold a candle to it Mar 23 23:32:20 I did Mar 23 23:32:34 no, it wins if used in a 4 finger way Mar 23 23:32:40 much faster Mar 23 23:33:03 at least a few times Mar 23 23:33:07 as much as I like the n810 for the keyboard, the frogpad is vastly superior for me Mar 23 23:33:12 might just be my fingers Mar 23 23:33:40 i could use a faster connection Mar 23 23:33:41 probably Mar 23 23:33:41 hum Mar 23 23:33:43 :) Mar 23 23:33:51 KotCzarny: so could I Mar 23 23:34:07 this one here is junk 512/128 Mar 23 23:34:20 i have 768/128 Mar 23 23:34:36 enough for most of the tasks Mar 23 23:34:39 and filled with map dl Mar 23 23:34:48 yep Mar 23 23:34:50 but sometimes i need bigger one Mar 23 23:34:51 :> Mar 23 23:35:10 I wonder how fast I could eat through 5 GB limit Mar 23 23:35:43 (with N of course) Mar 23 23:35:53 this is weird Mar 23 23:36:10 AStorm: don't think i need a driver, but maybe Mar 23 23:36:14 looking around Mar 23 23:36:15 ~5% of 300 MB is depressing Mar 23 23:36:17 AStorm: okay Mar 23 23:36:25 wtf? Mar 23 23:36:37 infobot - ya crazy? ;) Mar 23 23:36:48 5% Mar 23 23:36:59 ~5% of 300 MB? Mar 23 23:37:00 somebody said 5% of 300 mb was depressing Mar 23 23:37:07 ahaha Mar 23 23:37:10 lol Mar 23 23:37:21 it can't even recall who Mar 23 23:37:36 czr, I missed your question last night, because I went to bed. I'm in Shenzhen right now, but I will soon go back to Guangzhou. Mar 23 23:38:42 should'vee added "in 30 min" Mar 23 23:39:53 anything smaller than N810 would be likely to be stolen here Mar 23 23:40:11 hmmm even with cjk fonts installed, media player doesnt' seem to render cjk titles properly Mar 23 23:40:16 even it has to be guarded Mar 23 23:40:36 elb: on N800 or N810? Mar 23 23:40:52 n810 Mar 23 23:41:02 install cjk-fonts from extras Mar 23 23:41:13 should be enough Mar 23 23:41:32 I installed ttf-kochi-gothic directly Mar 23 23:41:34 let me try cjk-fonts Mar 23 23:41:39 maybe use proper locale too Mar 23 23:42:10 mediaplayer uses UTF-8 afaicr Mar 23 23:42:14 I'm using an UTF-8 locale, surely it doesn't *also* require a CJK locale Mar 23 23:43:02 this no-longer-broadband feels like 56k Mar 23 23:43:27 be happy that you don't have 56k :P Mar 23 23:43:31 (FCC changed definiion of broadband to 768/128) Mar 23 23:43:43 should be 1024/1024 heh Mar 23 23:43:44 KotCzarny: used that for a long time Mar 23 23:44:12 bandwidth is relative Mar 23 23:44:15 jaska: nah, large UL is still expensive in cable Mar 23 23:44:43 as in DOCSIs Mar 23 23:45:21 * elb vomits on docsis Mar 23 23:45:26 upload bandwidth is expensive, because they want to sell that for hosting Mar 23 23:45:41 i know now how to remove maps Mar 23 23:45:43 anyone with maeomo.org account to notify maemo mapper autjor of google captcha? Mar 23 23:45:52 just pick delete in manage maps Mar 23 23:46:11 then select right level and range Mar 23 23:46:18 :) Mar 23 23:46:52 it's funny they don't use minutes and seconds of angle Mar 23 23:46:55 hmmm I have no cjk-fonts Mar 23 23:46:58 * elb pokes around Mar 23 23:47:03 only decimal degrees Mar 23 23:47:23 elb: it's called close to that Mar 23 23:47:42 I have no cjk anything Mar 23 23:47:56 (but I have the maemo-cjk repository, from which I installed ttf-kochi-gothic Mar 23 23:47:58 ) Mar 23 23:48:34 should work ok Mar 23 23:48:43 just fix /etc/fonts.d Mar 23 23:48:45 1.1G /media/mmc2/Maps Mar 23 23:48:46 ;) Mar 23 23:48:56 KotCzarny: what for... Mar 23 23:49:08 nyc and poland Mar 23 23:49:14 and bialystok at close zoom Mar 23 23:49:22 fix /etc/fonts.d in what way? Mar 23 23:49:23 yeah, NYC is large Mar 23 23:49:49 warsaw takes 1.2g at 4-6 zoom Mar 23 23:49:49 hmm, snapshot would be nice in maemo mapper Mar 23 23:49:56 ie. set area/zoom -> png Mar 23 23:50:02 heh, no vector maps? Mar 23 23:50:06 screen? use load applet Mar 23 23:50:18 astorm: but i want the map of the whole thing Mar 23 23:50:22 not just visible part Mar 23 23:50:33 jaska: these wouldn't save space Mar 23 23:51:03 too many points still Mar 23 23:51:05 1.2g for a single citys map just sounds rather large Mar 23 23:51:12 just uberslow to draw Mar 23 23:51:18 jaska, that depends on zoom level Mar 23 23:51:33 and jpg/png quality Mar 23 23:51:34 i guess Mar 23 23:51:54 jaska: blah, level 4 is large, is 1:750 Mar 23 23:52:02 or so Mar 23 23:52:03 hmmm Kochi Gothic is already in the sans-serif alias Mar 23 23:52:08 why the F doesn't it work Mar 23 23:52:10 i mean compared to vector maps :) Mar 23 23:52:34 jaska, vector of good quality is large too Mar 23 23:52:36 ugh Mar 23 23:52:38 many coords Mar 23 23:52:47 someone could turn of php debug on maemo.org Mar 23 23:53:04 KotCzarny: nay, harder for me to hack in Mar 23 23:53:07 :P Mar 23 23:54:21 level 4 is overkill anyway Mar 23 23:54:37 i have some areas dled in lv 2 Mar 23 23:54:38 ;) Mar 23 23:54:47 real maps are 1:1500 Mar 23 23:54:50 usually those where i live Mar 23 23:55:07 that is level 5 (a bit less) Mar 23 23:55:29 only military maps are 1:500 Mar 23 23:56:53 erm. Mar 23 23:56:57 real maps may be 1:1500, but they don't suck as bad as display maps at 1:1500 ;-) Mar 23 23:57:17 why the hell usbcontroll install pysthon-{pygame,gnome,id3lib,imaging,runtime} ?! Mar 24 00:02:09 elb: suck more Mar 24 00:02:15 multipage books Mar 24 00:02:33 no nice go to function Mar 24 00:02:54 sorry for pl scales Mar 24 00:02:58 damn. this one simply doesn't want to pair Mar 24 00:03:07 should've been 1:75000 Mar 24 00:03:19 koyote: keep trying Mar 24 00:03:33 check if you enabled bt hid Mar 24 00:03:41 (in control panel) Mar 24 00:03:55 koyote what kind of kb is it Mar 24 00:03:59 koyote: :) Mar 24 00:07:17 actually, lev. 4 is 1 cm to 115 m or so Mar 24 00:07:29 real overkill Mar 24 00:07:47 can pinpoint my pos. with gps in a building Mar 24 00:08:25 (close to a window ofc) Mar 24 00:09:05 (3 hours of holding aloft your sacrificial 810 and praying to the skygods) Mar 24 00:09:56 nope Mar 24 00:10:09 first lock took 20 min Mar 24 00:10:13 :P Mar 24 00:10:22 second took 20 s Mar 24 00:10:36 nice improvement Mar 24 00:10:52 needs a clear shot at the sky Mar 24 00:11:40 wider the view looking up a device, the better Mar 24 00:11:52 gps lock with a n810 in 20s? Mar 24 00:12:03 yes, after the first time it will do Mar 24 00:12:05 * jaska pinches himself, i must be in a dream Mar 24 00:12:07 well,that was after a loss Mar 24 00:12:13 its that first time thats a killer thouhg Mar 24 00:12:23 normal one is like 2 min Mar 24 00:12:31 ya Mar 24 00:12:51 needs to build a kind of db of sats Mar 24 00:12:53 if you only need to use it once on a journey then your bolloxed Mar 24 00:12:58 no Mar 24 00:13:07 once in an area Mar 24 00:13:11 unless you're lost in the wilderness Mar 24 00:13:11 :> Mar 24 00:13:17 it remembers sats Mar 24 00:13:43 yes but then we get onto the other 810 problem - randomly flattening yourself Mar 24 00:13:44 if you'rre walking it won't lose the lock, or regain it very quick Mar 24 00:13:54 lol Mar 24 00:13:54 nobody has 30 minutes to prepare the gps Mar 24 00:14:13 you need to do it once in a rough area Mar 24 00:14:20 once since format Mar 24 00:14:30 no, once since reboot Mar 24 00:14:35 nope Mar 24 00:14:38 checked Mar 24 00:14:41 and since battery flattens itself regularly Mar 24 00:14:50 it stores the data Mar 24 00:15:02 then why the fuck cant i ever get a quick lock Mar 24 00:15:04 Note: Certain repositories (most notably, the commercial ones) may have license agreements attached with their use. It may be illegal to use a certain repository with Maemo Mapper or under certain conditions. This includes the repositories downloaded via the Download... button. If you are not sure if you are legally allowed to use a particular repository, you should delete it from your list of repositories. The authors of Maemo Ma Mar 24 00:15:14 lcuk... no idea Mar 24 00:15:14 cular repository. Mar 24 00:15:17 hehe Mar 24 00:15:31 I'm talking abou maemo-mapper Mar 24 00:16:00 maybe your sats moved Mar 24 00:16:01 if i spend 1/2 hour getting a lock then turn off map and turn off gps and try reconnecting later its like a normal gps Mar 24 00:16:05 US? Mar 24 00:16:12 uk Mar 24 00:16:21 our satellites are more refined Mar 24 00:16:25 they drink tea Mar 24 00:16:30 maybe someone moved sats? Mar 24 00:16:38 they are moving always Mar 24 00:16:41 lcuk, and talk in a funny modulation Mar 24 00:16:43 nah Mar 24 00:16:55 yeah, especially the liverpudlian gps Mar 24 00:17:06 they're LEO, right? Mar 24 00:17:12 ahem - yes, gps is not geostationary Mar 24 00:17:27 I met a guy from the UK a few days ago....he said he was from the UK, and I said I couldn't tell from his accent (I was being sarcastic) Mar 24 00:17:35 they change every few weeks Mar 24 00:17:42 no, they change every minute Mar 24 00:17:55 about 2 deg sky a day Mar 24 00:18:03 gps can't be geostationary to cover the entire planet Mar 24 00:18:20 they rotate the earth twice daily Mar 24 00:18:32 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System Mar 24 00:18:34 yep Mar 24 00:18:35 just like satellite phone satellites can't be geostationary too Mar 24 00:18:58 thats a different issue though - lag Mar 24 00:19:00 but you'll note they move hnriz. fairly slowly Mar 24 00:19:01 lcuk, I have to use a VPN to see wikipedia :( Mar 24 00:19:30 or was that vertically Mar 24 00:19:46 so once you see all these, should be great Mar 24 00:20:10 no, there are multiple planes Mar 24 00:20:20 yes Mar 24 00:20:21 3 circular obrits Mar 24 00:20:34 no problem too Mar 24 00:20:49 note they rotate out of phase Mar 24 00:21:07 so chance you catch what you know increases a lot Mar 24 00:22:35 ok, lets get back to the point. the gps in my 810 is shit and cannot be relied upon when its needed (first time, ymmv). a good gps wipes the floor with it and locks MUCH faster Mar 24 00:22:49 yup Mar 24 00:23:07 probably someone could overdrive it Mar 24 00:23:39 i am hoping a software fix could at least make it work - like keeping the almanac and using it without having to relock Mar 24 00:23:42 scrfew FCC Mar 24 00:23:42 it just has tooo low sensitivity Mar 24 00:24:19 maemo, cpu rape by mapper :P Mar 24 00:25:18 you overdrive transmitters, theres usually nothing you can do to increase sensitivity - unless maybe putting 810 in a wok and leaving it on window Mar 24 00:26:04 hehe, nay Mar 24 00:26:15 increase receivers voltage Mar 24 00:26:25 usually increases senc. Mar 24 00:26:31 sens. Mar 24 00:27:10 or burns it :P Mar 24 00:27:16 i thought that would just increase noise - unless you are actively doing something to clean up the signal pumping up the noise wont help Mar 24 00:27:30 no, it will improve SNR Mar 24 00:27:38 in its amp Mar 24 00:27:41 thats like increasing the volume of an untuned tv Mar 24 00:27:53 you just make the snow louder Mar 24 00:28:01 signal too Mar 24 00:28:59 severly doubt that logic without adding filters inline or improving the antenna Mar 24 00:29:24 the problem is lack of sens. and not noise Mar 24 00:29:58 but they go hand in hand - sensitivity is ability to extract a clean signal from the noise Mar 24 00:30:21 it can't grayes and no Mar 24 00:30:23 wb pupnik Mar 24 00:30:49 actually, the real fix is logarithmic amp addition Mar 24 00:31:13 that amps strong signal more strongly Mar 24 00:31:41 = compressor Mar 24 00:31:49 cheap and effective Mar 24 00:32:25 but I'm not feeling real electronic-fu and wealthy enough right now Mar 24 00:32:37 what we dont know is if the forma factor and circuit board location chosen by nokia is susceptable to internal noise and no matter what you do you are working with dirty signals Mar 24 00:32:55 it?s not Mar 24 00:33:00 top left corner Mar 24 00:33:02 we dont know that Mar 24 00:33:10 is it better with keyboard out? Mar 24 00:33:10 we know that :P Mar 24 00:33:20 the other way Mar 24 00:33:35 with keys hidden Mar 24 00:33:36 no, we know where it is - but we dont know if RF given off by the screen or the ambient sensor or other electronic around Mar 24 00:33:54 is not according to my meter Mar 24 00:34:02 can anyone tell me the dhcp client process in the N800? what is being called when? It makes a connection to the WAP, but it will not retrieve an IP Mar 24 00:34:07 too quiet for my indicator Mar 24 00:34:29 WormFood: it's udhcp Mar 24 00:34:32 2627 root 1472 SW< /sbin/udhcpc -i wlan0 -s /etc/udhcpc/udhcpc.script -f Mar 24 00:34:37 ya Mar 24 00:34:49 thanks KotCzarny Mar 24 00:34:50 sucky client Mar 24 00:35:01 but works Mar 24 00:35:04 need real dhclient Mar 24 00:35:07 a worthless piece of shit client is what it is....because it does not work most of the time Mar 24 00:35:08 it's a part of busybox afair Mar 24 00:35:19 udhcp fails with buggy servers Mar 24 00:35:23 heh. Mar 24 00:35:26 bullshit! Mar 24 00:35:27 KotCzarny: nope Mar 24 00:35:29 then it's buggy servers' fail Mar 24 00:35:30 :) Mar 24 00:35:33 have we got internal 810 pictures yet? Mar 24 00:35:34 it WAS working, then to stops for NO GOD DAMN REASON! Mar 24 00:35:40 KotCzarny: MS fail Mar 24 00:35:44 :> Mar 24 00:35:53 WormFood: see what i mean? Mar 24 00:35:54 * KotCzarny has openwrt Mar 24 00:36:06 is that contaigous? Mar 24 00:36:15 quite Mar 24 00:36:17 it WAS working with my WTR54G, then for no reason, it just quit working one day Mar 24 00:36:36 and that is not a typo...WTR54G, NOT a WRT54G Mar 24 00:36:37 WormFood: remove conn and readd it Mar 24 00:36:51 AStorm, that does not work Mar 24 00:36:59 here it did Mar 24 00:37:05 what's a wtr54g? Mar 24 00:37:06 does the ap work for other devices Mar 24 00:37:06 o.O Mar 24 00:37:08 it won't even work if I give it a static IP, because it won't work with the default gateway Mar 24 00:37:10 let the router expire the session first Mar 24 00:37:14 or remoove it Mar 24 00:37:24 the routers have been rebooted Mar 24 00:37:34 there is no way it is holding an old session Mar 24 00:37:37 and the conn removed? Mar 24 00:37:39 they can store cache anyway.. Mar 24 00:37:44 ya Mar 24 00:37:46 KotCzarny, it is a travel router...check it out Mar 24 00:37:48 if /var is on flash Mar 24 00:38:05 dhclient pwns udhcp Mar 24 00:38:11 I want a build Mar 24 00:38:20 WormFood, maybe set it to static in the GUI connection manager and run udhcpc from the command line to debug? Mar 24 00:38:25 I have reflashed my N800 with the latest OS2008 because my unit does not turn on many times Mar 24 00:38:44 I shouldn't have to debug it, it should work out of the box Mar 24 00:38:49 WormFood: there's a fix for that in new kernel Mar 24 00:38:54 oscillator problem Mar 24 00:39:02 yes, I know...that is why I upgraded Mar 24 00:39:10 that is why downgrading is so painful for me Mar 24 00:39:18 WormFood, do you want our help debugging or do you just want to complain to us? Mar 24 00:39:24 the first time I had that problem was on a 15 hour airplane flight Mar 24 00:40:02 the latest firmware 51-3 does not change anything besides the bootloader compared to 50-2, so it probably isn't the problem Mar 24 00:40:08 johnx, I just want it to work....I'll debug it if I need to, but I really don't want to Mar 24 00:40:39 yeah, I know, the newest was nothing more than the bootloader, but I was hoping they fixed something else in it, and just didn't report it....so much for hoping Mar 24 00:40:42 wormfood, it probably generates some logs.. Mar 24 00:41:07 or not Mar 24 00:41:09 :) Mar 24 00:41:10 I have much better things to do with my time than to debug this....but I will debug it if that is what it takes Mar 24 00:41:15 i think syslog is needed Mar 24 00:41:31 I rather doubt it generates logs....but I could be wrong....I was wrong once before Mar 24 00:41:36 but then found out I was mistaken Mar 24 00:41:41 WormFood, just make the connection static and run udhcpc -i wlan0 from the CLI...it's not that bad Mar 24 00:41:44 wormfood - it does work out of the box - n800 was designed and supplied with os2007 Mar 24 00:41:54 try running udhcpc by hand? Mar 24 00:42:13 lcuk, actually, I downgraded to OS2007 last night, and while it claims to get an IP, it also does not work Mar 24 00:42:37 KotCzarny, no...because every time it claims it can't get an IP, I can't use the CLI on it Mar 24 00:42:40 WormFood, I know you think it's the N800 but I have had similar weird experiences with routers Mar 24 00:42:50 I would use SSH, but it is hard when I can't get an IP Mar 24 00:42:58 do other devices connected to the ap have problems? Mar 24 00:43:03 I think the N800 is defective Mar 24 00:43:21 no, of course not, everything else works perfectly when connected to these routers Mar 24 00:43:30 then ask Nokia for an RMA... Mar 24 00:43:41 an RMA will be very hard for me Mar 24 00:43:42 o.O Mar 24 00:43:44 I'm in China Mar 24 00:43:51 but if you are willing to pull up "X terminal" for like 10 seconds you could be sure Mar 24 00:43:53 my receipt for my N800 is in Florida Mar 24 00:44:31 johnx, most of the time it tells me that wlan0 does not exist (even when I can see it with iwconfig and ifconfig) Mar 24 00:44:51 * lcuk never had to enter console ever to play with router settings :S Mar 24 00:45:13 lcuk, obviously you lead a blessed existence... Mar 24 00:45:23 * KotCzarny too Mar 24 00:45:25 WormFood, also, why did you say a static IP address wasn't working? Mar 24 00:45:26 i just believe in the simplest approach Mar 24 00:45:31 openwrt is quite nice in this area Mar 24 00:45:32 :) Mar 24 00:45:46 I set the static IP, but I still can't reach the internet Mar 24 00:45:51 hmm Mar 24 00:45:54 it appears to not be setting the default gatway Mar 24 00:45:56 gateway Mar 24 00:46:02 maybe it's burnt? Mar 24 00:46:14 route -n ? Mar 24 00:46:15 fill gateway with router address Mar 24 00:46:20 use pc's dhcp? Mar 24 00:46:28 cos - that IS your gateway - its not the one your isp provides Mar 24 00:46:30 ie. run dhcpd on lin/win ? Mar 24 00:46:39 I should not need to do that Mar 24 00:46:42 try first Mar 24 00:46:43 it should work out of the box Mar 24 00:46:47 if it solves the problem Mar 24 00:47:05 then you will know it's something about router/udhcpc Mar 24 00:47:15 KotCzarny, running dhcpd on different box is probably a little more than is necessary for this Mar 24 00:47:20 it is NOT a problem with the router, the problem is on the N800 Mar 24 00:47:38 WormFood: if you set a static IP address then no device will be able to figure out what the default GW is unless you tell it Mar 24 00:47:39 WormFood, what kind of signal are you getting on the N800? Mar 24 00:47:42 worm - are you leaving the gateway blank? if so just try putting the router ip into it Mar 24 00:47:44 if I have to carry around my laptop to use the N800, I just won't use the N800 at all Mar 24 00:47:50 johnx: checking different solutions helps finding the source Mar 24 00:47:54 of the problems Mar 24 00:47:54 johnx, I'm sitting next to the AP, I get full signal Mar 24 00:48:16 Tama^2, I know what the default gateway is on the router here Mar 24 00:48:21 wormfood: run tcpdump and see if n800 transmits anything? Mar 24 00:48:31 setting a static IP is not a viable solution for random APs when I'm out and about Mar 24 00:48:43 WormFood, have you tried the N800 on any other AP? Mar 24 00:48:44 no, but lets just see if it can work now Mar 24 00:48:52 hehe Mar 24 00:48:59 proving a single case will test the electronics Mar 24 00:49:04 as soon as I connect my laptop to a wired connection, I will run wireshark and/or kismet Mar 24 00:49:10 it's because of udhcp having random mood Mar 24 00:49:21 at home i need to set fixed ips at work its automatic Mar 24 00:49:21 johnx, any time I am somewhere for a very short period of time (like waiting for the bus) it works Mar 24 00:49:32 anytime I'm somewhere for a few hours or a few days, it does not work Mar 24 00:49:42 I swear this thing has a "critical use detector" in it Mar 24 00:49:46 heh Mar 24 00:50:07 well, now we know what free hardware it has ;) Mar 24 00:50:19 oh yeah Mar 24 00:50:23 and another thing Mar 24 00:50:40 when I enable encryption on my WTR54G, then my N800 will work Mar 24 00:50:52 as soon as I disable encryption it will not get an IP Mar 24 00:51:02 ahh...that is interesting Mar 24 00:51:08 very Mar 24 00:51:14 so hang on here - you are shouting long and hard about it not working, but you already have a way to get it working Mar 24 00:51:16 because it makes no god damn sense Mar 24 00:51:20 I've to wire light-detect with some app Mar 24 00:51:24 no I do not have a way to get it working Mar 24 00:51:29 maybe alarm? Mar 24 00:51:30 how do I use it at the bus stop? Mar 24 00:51:39 to wire me to light cycle Mar 24 00:51:40 you said it works at the bus stop... Mar 24 00:51:41 :P Mar 24 00:51:42 I can't go around changing people's APs Mar 24 00:51:46 :> Mar 24 00:51:48 sometimes Mar 24 00:51:49 different routers are a different issue Mar 24 00:51:51 nah, counterproductive Mar 24 00:51:57 it is completely random where it does not work Mar 24 00:52:00 >>> at home i need to set fixed ips at work its automatic <<< Mar 24 00:52:00 ya Mar 24 00:52:07 IT NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM FOR THE FIRST MONTH I HAD IT Mar 24 00:52:09 it's udhcp being fail Mar 24 00:52:15 I mean NEVER had this problem Mar 24 00:52:17 lol @ gettin irate Mar 24 00:52:21 it connected to everything just fine Mar 24 00:52:27 WormFood: just lucky Mar 24 00:52:28 astorm: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2008pl/ Mar 24 00:52:29 :) Mar 24 00:52:34 which busstop does it work from? Mar 24 00:52:36 KotCzarny: !!! Mar 24 00:52:43 :D:D:D Mar 24 00:52:47 Registered: 2008-03-02 01:38 Mar 24 00:52:56 have you ever looked at garage.maemo.org ? Mar 24 00:52:57 :) Mar 24 00:53:02 WormFood, usually the places where mine won't pick up an IP address from dhcp are places where it is close to out of range Mar 24 00:53:14 not for that Mar 24 00:53:17 :) Mar 24 00:53:18 or where I'm getting lots of interference Mar 24 00:53:27 yeah, i just like to browse at random Mar 24 00:53:30 johnx, this is not even close to being out of range Mar 24 00:53:44 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/freeciv/ Mar 24 00:53:48 who asked about freeciv? Mar 24 00:53:54 blah trans Mar 24 00:54:02 need locale and keymap Mar 24 00:54:05 lcuk, it works form some random bus stop in Shenzhen Mar 24 00:54:13 the one under the bridge Mar 24 00:54:15 astorm: maybe it has those too Mar 24 00:54:20 you know which one I'm talking about? ;) Mar 24 00:54:25 wicked - when im passing ill remember :D Mar 24 00:54:27 wrong country then Mar 24 00:55:55 I set a static IP and it STILL won't connect Mar 24 00:56:03 route -n shows the right gateway Mar 24 00:56:10 ok, so you flashed your device then set about forcing it to get an ip on your specific router - no doubt you delved deep and tweaked something or other to check. i personally think if you reset to defaults, use encryption at home and forget about it being a problem you will have more luck Mar 24 00:56:13 check if interface is up Mar 24 00:56:14 alright, can you ping the gateway? Mar 24 00:56:18 and has an ip set Mar 24 00:56:28 tsince the busstop router is out of your control you cannot know that THEY didnt lock it down or disable ip Mar 24 00:56:42 re Mar 24 00:56:45 yup, ping the gateway just fine Mar 24 00:57:02 lcuk, that is NOT a solution Mar 24 00:57:07 from the N800? can you ping google from the N800? Mar 24 00:57:09 I did not buy this to use at home Mar 24 00:57:53 resolv.conf is not getting set properly now Mar 24 00:58:02 ok - lets move this foreward - at home you can get it to work and save details in its connection. out roaming - take 2 devices. check if both of them connect and get ips Mar 24 00:58:07 WormFood, the tablet uses dnsmasq for DNS Mar 24 00:58:09 so, no, I can't ping google from their dns name Mar 24 00:58:34 lcuk, yes, my laptop connects, the N800 does not Mar 24 00:58:48 WormFood: want dns addr? Mar 24 00:59:02 ya, udhcp suckage Mar 24 00:59:38 I can ping my server on the internet when I use the IP address Mar 24 00:59:42 DNS will not resolve Mar 24 00:59:51 set DNS to router then as well Mar 24 00:59:52 WormFood, cat /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 and tell me if it is correct Mar 24 01:00:04 does anyone know if there is a smb file share browser for os2008? Mar 24 01:00:20 yes Mar 24 01:00:30 Jsn0327, it's built in, but it can't access password protected shares Mar 24 01:00:47 hmm Mar 24 01:00:51 bss aackwards Mar 24 01:00:51 blah Mar 24 01:00:58 is there a add-on for the password protected shares? Mar 24 01:01:07 if I edit /etc/resolv.conf, it works Mar 24 01:01:08 nio, it's a bug Mar 24 01:01:10 or another app to access them? Mar 24 01:01:19 Jsn0327: no Mar 24 01:01:25 WormFood, is the DNS set in /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 correct? Mar 24 01:01:28 it's buggy Mar 24 01:01:38 johnx, it is blank Mar 24 01:01:44 the file exists, it is just empty Mar 24 01:01:46 astorm - i thought you could do some magic and make a symlink Mar 24 01:02:11 * lcuk waves his hands about a bit Mar 24 01:02:16 alright, and you set the correct DNS in the GUI of course? Mar 24 01:02:28 I didn't see any dns setting in the gui Mar 24 01:02:30 lcuk: talking about smb? Mar 24 01:02:35 WormFood, aaaaah Mar 24 01:02:41 probably Mar 24 01:02:53 I'll need to dig it up for you, since I just use dhcp here Mar 24 01:02:57 gimme a sec Mar 24 01:03:01 looking for it again Mar 24 01:03:05 maybe I overlooked it Mar 24 01:03:10 its the advanced button on the last page Mar 24 01:03:11 i think Mar 24 01:03:18 connection wizard Mar 24 01:03:22 awww fuck! I overlooked it Mar 24 01:03:34 because when I go to edit it, it moves the dns off the page Mar 24 01:03:41 hehe Mar 24 01:03:41 * lcuk thinks back to his "simple approach" Mar 24 01:03:47 they killed dns, those fuckin' bastards! Mar 24 01:03:56 :) Mar 24 01:04:46 ok, now I can surf the web with a static IP Mar 24 01:04:54 BUT THAT STILL DOES NOT SOVE THE PROBLEM Mar 24 01:05:09 yeah but it PROVES THE HARDWARE ISN"T BROKEN Mar 24 01:05:12 how the fuck do I get dhcp to work now? Mar 24 01:05:15 KotCzarny: where do i get pl regional settings? Mar 24 01:05:17 I know the hardware isn't broken Mar 24 01:05:19 Haha, thank you, johnx. <_< Mar 24 01:05:20 when you have another ap to connect to just try and keep it simple and it may be configured to allow dhcp :) Mar 24 01:05:54 i have one connection thats static and one fixed - i never bothered to check why or diagnose i just got on with using them Mar 24 01:06:12 static + dynamic.. Mar 24 01:06:36 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/06/polish-locale-for-os2008/ Mar 24 01:06:49 1st link in google Mar 24 01:07:27 * AStorm is almost asleep Mar 24 01:07:31 this is fuckin' crazy Mar 24 01:08:13 I run "udhcpc -i wlan0" and I get "Sending discover..." a few times, then.... Mar 24 01:08:28 * johnx is in suspense... Mar 24 01:08:29 wormfood: tcpdump Mar 24 01:08:30 :P) Mar 24 01:08:38 lease failed: Mar 24 01:08:52 zeroconf: address selected is 169.254.33.52 Mar 24 01:08:58 yah. Mar 24 01:09:00 KotCzarny: you fail, it's udp Mar 24 01:09:00 zeroconf sux. Mar 24 01:09:06 another zeroconf line Mar 24 01:09:15 astorm: so what? udp is sniffable too Mar 24 01:09:21 then "bogus packet, options field is too long" Mar 24 01:09:27 but not with tcpdump Mar 24 01:09:34 ya, udhcp breakage Mar 24 01:09:49 you need a better dhcp client Mar 24 01:10:09 astorm: i have debugged dhcp with tcpdump Mar 24 01:10:12 many times Mar 24 01:10:29 anyway, have you looked at the link? Mar 24 01:10:36 it mishandles DHCPNAKs Mar 24 01:10:46 looking... Mar 24 01:11:46 so it is clear to me, that we need a "new" dhcp client on the n800 to make it work Mar 24 01:11:59 just compile/install it Mar 24 01:12:14 and modify scripts Mar 24 01:12:16 how come it works on mine though? Mar 24 01:12:22 or just name it udhcpc Mar 24 01:12:31 lcuk: your dhcpd behaves Mar 24 01:12:32 ;) Mar 24 01:13:56 hmm...I wonder which one is not following spec, his WTR54G or udhcpc Mar 24 01:14:17 i bet on wtr Mar 24 01:14:18 :) Mar 24 01:14:42 yeah, linksys has made some truly craptastic firmware through the years Mar 24 01:14:53 maybe I should trade my N800 for one of these http://www.pmptoday.com/2008/01/07/pmpphone-from-somewhere-most-likely-china-looks-like-upmc-has-two-cameras/ Mar 24 01:15:16 johnx, I don't even have my router with me Mar 24 01:15:31 I'm using a "TP-LINK" router right now Mar 24 01:16:00 ah Mar 24 01:16:02 KotCzarny: now i need a ukeyboard layout for de keyboard Mar 24 01:16:11 :) Mar 24 01:16:22 looks like a n800 copy Mar 24 01:16:23 :> Mar 24 01:16:24 Like I said...if I will be somewhere for a few hours or more, I can't get an IP address Mar 24 01:16:39 if I'm just passing through for a few minutes, it gets an IP just fine Mar 24 01:16:45 it is infuriating! Mar 24 01:16:53 WormFood: these are junk Mar 24 01:16:56 wormfood: it's open source, it's fixable Mar 24 01:17:00 non-linux? Mar 24 01:17:15 I swear I'm about ready to slam this piece of shit on the floor, and crush it under the heel of my foot Mar 24 01:17:16 WormFood: find a dhclient package Mar 24 01:17:18 Trade it, please, WormFood. :) Mar 24 01:17:26 then hack things to use that Mar 24 01:17:34 WormFood, spare your 800 - mail it to me - ill pay postage Mar 24 01:17:40 hehe Mar 24 01:17:41 WormFood, want me to try and help you work around it? Mar 24 01:18:18 johnx, only if it really works and gets an IP address from the dhcp server Mar 24 01:18:30 I don't want a "set a static IP solution" Mar 24 01:18:40 WormFood: sw problem Mar 24 01:18:41 I do not get why people would be willing to provide assistance when such attitude is displayed Mar 24 01:18:45 as I said Mar 24 01:18:48 are you willing to test some stuff then, even though I'm not sure this will work? and are you willing to not SHOUT if it doesn't work? Mar 24 01:18:51 we need a dhclient Mar 24 01:18:55 actually, WormFood you might be better getting a different device. you want dependable, reliable hardware which works everywhere in a random environment - good luck with your search Mar 24 01:19:05 iphone? Mar 24 01:19:06 ;) Mar 24 01:19:10 Amen, Tama^2. Mar 24 01:19:14 From ISC DHCP package Mar 24 01:19:17 lcuk, this did work before, it just isn't working now....it makes no sense Mar 24 01:19:38 wormfood: because you fiddled with it Mar 24 01:19:41 WormFood: makes Mar 24 01:19:43 but you are using a crappy router and have options available to fix them without having to install anything Mar 24 01:19:43 reflash! Mar 24 01:19:44 WormFood, I'm still giving this even odds that it's actually your router doing something funny Mar 24 01:19:44 johnx, I don't have time to test this now, I have to leave soon....but yes, I'm willing to test it and work with it Mar 24 01:19:56 after the lease is expired, router sends NAKs Mar 24 01:20:02 for the old address Mar 24 01:20:02 KotCzarny, no, it is not because I fiddled with it....I'm a user on this, not a hacker on this Mar 24 01:20:04 out of the box now without installing anything you have connected Mar 24 01:20:10 and udhcp chokes on these Mar 24 01:20:15 user is worse than hacker Mar 24 01:20:27 I have not done anything to make this not work Mar 24 01:20:33 I even reloaded the firmware Mar 24 01:20:39 WormFood: ya not reading Mar 24 01:20:45 WormFood, I'm still giving this even odds that it's actually your router doing something funny... Mar 24 01:20:49 ignoring me or what? Mar 24 01:20:50 AStorm, there is no expired lease Mar 24 01:20:50 but you are a hacker anyway - you run kismit Mar 24 01:21:04 wirm: there is a stored lease of udhcp Mar 24 01:21:16 lcuk, yes, I'm a hacker...but I did not get the n800 to hack Mar 24 01:21:18 WormFood: ^ Mar 24 01:21:34 then take it back and get an iphone Mar 24 01:21:36 AStorm, on a fresh firmware reload? Mar 24 01:21:46 you have to expire the lease and remove the connection Mar 24 01:21:56 WormFood: router Mar 24 01:22:07 I was never able to get an address from the router Mar 24 01:22:09 needs but a one bad connection Mar 24 01:22:15 udhcp will store it Mar 24 01:22:16 I reboot the router and it still does not get an IP Mar 24 01:22:26 too late Mar 24 01:22:31 first remove conn Mar 24 01:22:35 then how does that explain why it does not work with a random AP when I'm out and about? Mar 24 01:22:37 then flush the router Mar 24 01:22:44 then connect Mar 24 01:22:52 same reason Mar 24 01:23:01 tries an addr and gets a NAK Mar 24 01:23:12 also different problems often have different causes Mar 24 01:23:18 happens with some routers which are dumb Mar 24 01:23:37 I seriously doubt my router is the root of the problem Mar 24 01:23:48 probably not Mar 24 01:23:50 ok, I deleted my connection, and I still can't get an IP Mar 24 01:23:53 udhcp brokenness is Mar 24 01:24:04 or both Mar 24 01:24:04 :) Mar 24 01:24:07 WormFood, is it at all possible that the routers you are connecting to are not giving out dhcp... or that they are private residential routers leaking data Mar 24 01:24:09 yes, I'm sure it is udhcp is broken Mar 24 01:24:13 AStorm, is this a WONTFIX from the udhcpc guys? Mar 24 01:24:18 WormFood: and didn't flush sessions? Fail! Mar 24 01:24:27 johnx: who? Mar 24 01:24:35 lcuk, I guarantee the ones I'm having problems with are working and sending out dhcp info Mar 24 01:24:36 it has no devs afaicr Mar 24 01:24:41 because I connect with my laptop just fine Mar 24 01:24:56 AStorm, so you're saying udhcpc is unmaintained? Mar 24 01:24:58 my laptop and other devices connect just fine...but not the n800 Mar 24 01:25:08 it appears that way johnx Mar 24 01:25:10 WormFood: and it uses Isc dhcp which only sends naks in nonauthoritative mode Mar 24 01:25:29 johnx: most likely Mar 24 01:25:34 or almost Mar 24 01:25:51 WormFood: I know the bug Mar 24 01:25:58 * johnx goes off to see if anyone has patched this... Mar 24 01:26:01 it is the same on other machines Mar 24 01:26:22 johnx: gentoo doesn't have the patch... Mar 24 01:26:32 I guess no one has Mar 24 01:26:52 need dhclient Mar 24 01:26:56 yeah...looking back I was probably running into this with my zaurus in 2004 or so... Mar 24 01:27:31 it would be easier to wedge a new udhcpc in place rather than replace it with dhclient, though Mar 24 01:27:44 not much Mar 24 01:27:55 I don't ever remember my Zaurus having this type of problem Mar 24 01:27:57 just a few scripts to be tweaked afaicr Mar 24 01:28:05 WormFood: lucky Mar 24 01:28:07 WormFood, which firmware did you use? Mar 24 01:28:10 now to be honest, I didn't try to use my Z everywhere Mar 24 01:28:45 also keep in mind that I have been using my N800 all over the place and never ran into this problem Mar 24 01:29:05 it is fairly random Mar 24 01:29:13 you need to move a subnet Mar 24 01:29:31 that is, move froman unknown lease range Mar 24 01:29:48 unknown to the server Mar 24 01:29:56 then udhcp asks for it Mar 24 01:30:15 and gets NAKs correctly Mar 24 01:30:19 AStorm, I'm seeing something relating to DHCPNAK in Debian's patch, but I'll have to look more thoroughly... Mar 24 01:30:33 but drops the packets it they have some opions Mar 24 01:30:43 ... :L Mar 24 01:30:49 :) Mar 24 01:31:00 options, even Mar 24 01:31:19 e.g. if it sends proper subnet data Mar 24 01:31:44 (dhcp std. doesn't specify that and doesn't forbid) Mar 24 01:32:50 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/dhclient.gz Mar 24 01:32:51 :) Mar 24 01:33:20 hehe Mar 24 01:33:38 404 Mar 24 01:33:45 and make a deb Mar 24 01:34:52 404? Mar 24 01:35:00 this cannot be Mar 24 01:35:05 ahm. Mar 24 01:35:10 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dhclient.gz Mar 24 01:35:13 sorry :) Mar 24 01:35:15 haha Mar 24 01:35:35 bad mime types Mar 24 01:35:39 :P Mar 24 01:36:13 bad mime, bad mime! Mar 24 01:36:29 yeah, killer mimes Mar 24 01:36:39 its not mime, its yours Mar 24 01:36:57 there's no mime like no mimes Mar 24 01:37:31 text/plain, interesting Mar 24 01:37:58 WARNING: mime field. Mar 24 01:38:02 heh Mar 24 01:38:06 lolä Mar 24 01:38:09 but i believe it's because no other extension other than .gz Mar 24 01:38:31 reminds me of a dexter's lab Mar 24 01:38:36 text/plain is not interesting at all, if fact it couldn't get any more boring Mar 24 01:38:37 with mimes Mar 24 01:38:44 it is a maximum boringness already Mar 24 01:38:47 yup. adding .exe.gz made it proper Mar 24 01:38:48 hehe Mar 24 01:38:54 ok, I need to go now. thanks for your help guys...I'll be back later Mar 24 01:39:05 application/octet-stream is more boring Mar 24 01:39:10 sure, just remember to leave the CAPS at home. :P Mar 24 01:39:12 wormfood: get your dhclient.gz with you! Mar 24 01:39:57 KotCzarny: make it a deb Mar 24 01:40:03 I wonder if there is a way to hack around this with udhcpc by deleting the old lease if it and recalling udhcpc automatically if it fails... Mar 24 01:41:02 s/if it a/if it gets a DHCPNAK a/g Mar 24 01:41:02 johnx meant: I wonder if there is a way to hack around this with udhcpc by deleting the old lease if it gets a DHCPNAK and recalling udhcpc automatically if it fails... Mar 24 01:41:05 can't find the lease :P Mar 24 01:41:24 I found the scripts it calls on a nak and on lease fail at least... Mar 24 01:41:26 it keeps them... somewhere Mar 24 01:41:37 it should keep the lease in var I would think... Mar 24 01:41:57 Talk about investing a lot of time in a bad attitude. :\ Mar 24 01:42:04 brb Mar 24 01:42:29 GeneralAntilles, actually this has probably caused me problems at public access points, but I always figured I was close to out of range... Mar 24 01:42:30 johnx: the source is with you! it sourrounds us and penetrates us! :) Mar 24 01:43:04 jott, with any luck I can just slap a quick fix in udhcpc.leasefail and all it done. :D Mar 24 01:43:15 no Mar 24 01:43:18 johnx: ga is a troll with a bad attitude himself Mar 24 01:43:19 :> Mar 24 01:43:23 the bug is in the client Mar 24 01:43:39 you can at most hack nit around Mar 24 01:43:55 AStorm, yeah, but if I have udhcpc.leasefail delete the old lease and call udhcpc again Mar 24 01:44:19 not really a fix admittedly, but it should work for my purposes Mar 24 01:44:20 hehe infinite recursion? :) Mar 24 01:45:26 anything that makes it actually work would be acceptable Mar 24 01:45:27 eh...I can just check for that in the script Mar 24 01:45:32 this problem affects a LOT of people Mar 24 01:47:55 where is the file? Mar 24 01:48:02 * KotCzarny finds having nails is usefull with IT Mar 24 01:48:02 I don't know... O_o Mar 24 01:48:14 getting the bug here reliably Mar 24 01:48:24 vs my router Mar 24 01:48:36 ah, good Mar 24 01:48:37 and not vs my laptop (isc dhcp) Mar 24 01:49:00 astorm: did dhclient worked? Mar 24 01:49:07 checking Mar 24 01:49:30 it may be missing some scripts Mar 24 01:51:34 also watch out Mar 24 01:51:42 resolv.conf points to localhost Mar 24 01:51:48 probably for dnsmasq Mar 24 01:51:49 :) Mar 24 01:52:35 you tried to root me Mar 24 01:52:37 I'll kill,you now Mar 24 01:52:41 nah Mar 24 01:52:52 just remembered default dhclient behaviour Mar 24 01:52:53 :) Mar 24 01:53:37 hehe Mar 24 01:54:34 otoh udhcpc will overwrite them too Mar 24 01:54:40 so it's not a big deal Mar 24 01:54:41 :) Mar 24 01:54:47 heh Mar 24 01:56:08 have to tgest it again Mar 24 01:56:18 * KotCzarny sucks maps Mar 24 01:57:40 blah! Mar 24 01:57:53 can'tg grab proper dhclient then Mar 24 01:57:58 wait a while Mar 24 01:58:03 mm? Mar 24 01:58:04 wget Mar 24 01:58:05 :) Mar 24 01:58:47 no worky Mar 24 01:59:31 then it's not a client problem? Mar 24 01:59:52 server Mar 24 01:59:59 mine? Mar 24 02:00:00 can't connect :P Mar 24 02:00:06 too much load now Mar 24 02:00:15 i'll stop maemo-maddness Mar 24 02:00:30 use mapdownloader next time Mar 24 02:00:42 now Mar 24 02:00:44 no cpu rape that way Mar 24 02:00:58 do they use same format? Mar 24 02:01:55 grabbed Mar 24 02:01:56 heh - this kind of bandwidth problem is why i would prefer a remote server Mar 24 02:02:10 KotCzarny: ya, same libs Mar 24 02:02:20 libs? Mar 24 02:02:47 anyone know how much space abiword takes with all its dependencise? Mar 24 02:02:55 wow: much Mar 24 02:03:03 mostly because of gnome deps Mar 24 02:03:03 over 30? Mar 24 02:03:07 * KotCzarny shrugs Mar 24 02:03:09 gnome? Mar 24 02:03:11 omg Mar 24 02:03:17 it's gotta be huge Mar 24 02:03:24 not all of them of course Mar 24 02:03:27 ~4-7 Mar 24 02:03:29 WorkingOnWise, i think there is a light version from the indt people but im not sure of its stability Mar 24 02:03:29 who cares about 30mb? :P Mar 24 02:03:47 People booting from the internal flash. :P Mar 24 02:03:52 lol...until I get my 8gb SDHC, I do Mar 24 02:03:57 yup Mar 24 02:04:10 hmm, wrong Mar 24 02:05:07 where can I find a n00b worthy howto on getting ext3 suppoer from boot? I want to use ext3 as the fs on mt sd card when I clone. Mar 24 02:05:20 support Mar 24 02:05:24 its already in the initfs Mar 24 02:05:30 it is? Mar 24 02:05:35 yup Mar 24 02:05:56 if you copy them to /lib/modules you can even modprobe them Mar 24 02:06:05 I formated my 1gb sd as ext3 and the N800 on OS208 says its corrupt Mar 24 02:06:20 leave first partition as vfat Mar 24 02:06:31 really? Mar 24 02:06:35 just a small dummy partition Mar 24 02:06:37 or just modify mmc-mount to support ext3 Mar 24 02:06:38 :) Mar 24 02:06:39 yeah saves trouble Mar 24 02:06:49 can it be really small? Mar 24 02:06:53 yup Mar 24 02:06:54 just so its there? Mar 24 02:06:57 anything will do Mar 24 02:06:58 mapdownloader is bad :P Mar 24 02:07:04 yer, just a couple of hundred mb ;) Mar 24 02:07:13 KotCzarny: it does Mar 24 02:07:16 that's a simple solution.... Mar 24 02:07:29 I was thinkin a couple kb's Mar 24 02:07:38 mmc-mount uses auto fs type Mar 24 02:07:44 kb/mb/gb all the same nowadays :) Mar 24 02:07:58 smallest managable size - ignore the value i gave Mar 24 02:08:07 kewl.... Mar 24 02:10:01 will that trick allow me to boot off an ext3 sd card? Mar 24 02:10:09 yes Mar 24 02:10:18 sweet Mar 24 02:10:27 just use fanoush modified initfs Mar 24 02:10:42 and add the right partition Mar 24 02:10:46 already got it bookmarked...:) Mar 24 02:10:58 the "right" partition? Mar 24 02:11:35 well the /dev/mmcblk[01]p2 not the p1 as thats the dummy vfat one ;) Mar 24 02:11:59 AStorm, I honestly can't find where udhcpc puts its lease O_o Mar 24 02:12:43 memory? :) Mar 24 02:12:44 "i've got it narrowed down to somewhere within my 810" Mar 24 02:12:58 "i kno its not in the bathroom cos i looked there" Mar 24 02:13:28 gj, lcuk. Mar 24 02:13:43 johnx: have you looked into /etc/udhcpc ? Mar 24 02:13:54 :> Mar 24 02:14:15 KotCzarny, yeah, but no lease or mention of it there Mar 24 02:14:55 maybe it's just sends it over dbus Mar 24 02:15:22 fire&forget Mar 24 02:15:23 :) Mar 24 02:16:29 anyways, I'll poke at this later Mar 24 02:17:00 there seems to be a way to make it forget its lease by giving it SIGUSR2 Mar 24 02:17:18 so maybe the hack-around will just do something with that... Mar 24 02:19:30 johnx: why not patch the source? :) Mar 24 02:23:06 johnx, got a sec? Mar 24 02:27:14 I have a couple minutes Mar 24 02:27:17 talk fast :) Mar 24 02:28:17 WorkingOnWise, ping? Mar 24 02:28:17 * jott hits the chess clock button Mar 24 02:30:09 sorry, WorkingOnWise. I need to head out for now Mar 24 02:30:25 I'll be back on in several hours Mar 24 02:31:14 what is the direct link to os2008? my firefox download keeps failing half way and won't restart. i want to use wget Mar 24 02:31:33 get properties Mar 24 02:31:36 in the dl dialog Mar 24 02:31:39 in firefox Mar 24 02:31:41 it's there Mar 24 02:31:42 bye Mar 24 02:32:03 but i think you need cookie too Mar 24 02:32:04 :) Mar 24 02:34:30 KotCzarny: yes i knew that but the cookies is the problem Mar 24 02:34:55 then why do you asked about direct link? Mar 24 02:36:41 wget supports cookies and referer modification... Mar 24 02:50:59 http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sys/615422336.html Mar 24 02:51:15 anyone wants a free sgi? Mar 24 02:51:15 :> Mar 24 02:58:48 regarding the map discussion i caught the tail end of earlier - do we know the format of the map data included in 810 - can we use it to pre-initialize maemo without having to re-download it all? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 24 02:59:57 2008