**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 28 02:59:57 2008 Mar 28 03:00:03 some APs I'm very close to...I'd think low power would be better for those access points. Mar 28 03:00:13 what is "pebcak"? Mar 28 03:01:09 I got ripped off...they sold me a defective unit Mar 28 03:01:26 WormFood: are you sure it's not your router? Mar 28 03:01:32 I used to like nokia...now I fuckin' hate them Mar 28 03:01:43 how about actually trying to diagnose the problem rather than coming in here ranting? Mar 28 03:01:43 I'm 100% sure it is not my router Mar 28 03:02:02 why the fuck would my router work...then not work....then start working again Mar 28 03:02:10 bitching here will do nothing, filing a bug report might actually be productive Mar 28 03:02:44 I have been trying to diagnose the problem, and it seems to be completely random Mar 28 03:02:53 such things don't exist Mar 28 03:03:14 I have seen my fair share of random problems Mar 28 03:03:21 usually it is with defective hardware Mar 28 03:03:43 then bring it back and ask for a replacement Mar 28 03:03:52 bring it back to where? Mar 28 03:04:03 where might you normally bring defective hardware to? Mar 28 03:04:13 they don't sell the N800 here Mar 28 03:04:13 Take it back to Korea (where it is made)? Mar 28 03:04:22 the trash? Mar 28 03:04:28 :P Mar 28 03:04:31 really? you do that whenever something you buy is broken? Mar 28 03:04:37 I bought it online Mar 28 03:04:42 in usa Mar 28 03:04:47 I'm in China Mar 28 03:04:52 then contact them and tell them you'd like an RMA Mar 28 03:04:56 where would I take a defective N800 in China? Mar 28 03:05:05 the vendor who sold it to you Mar 28 03:05:33 I doubt they would honor any warranty repairs with an address in China Mar 28 03:05:49 is it still under warranty? Mar 28 03:06:09 Man, I'm impatient. I tried sticking the battery in the freezer for 2 hours then waited for the charger thing to work for another hour and it's still not doing anything. Bah. :\ Mar 28 03:06:22 the only reason I bought this is because of the wifi....and that does not work....so that makes this virtually worthless to me Mar 28 03:06:24 night Mar 28 03:06:31 does it work on other wifi networks? Mar 28 03:06:39 elb, it is completely random Mar 28 03:06:46 it works with some, and not others Mar 28 03:06:46 erm Mar 28 03:06:48 freezer? Mar 28 03:06:49 it makes no sense Mar 28 03:07:01 that's wrong. Mar 28 03:07:05 refrigerator, maybe Mar 28 03:07:10 Kot: right, fridge Mar 28 03:07:11 WormFood: do other wireless devices work with those routers when the n800 isn't? if so return it to the vendor Mar 28 03:07:13 it appears to be dhcp related, because if I enter a manual IP it works Mar 28 03:07:13 but freezer is critical Mar 28 03:07:26 yes doc|home, other wireless devices work great with the router Mar 28 03:07:28 sorry, i'm tired >_> Mar 28 03:07:29 WormFood: well then it's software related Mar 28 03:07:36 in which case you need to file a bug Mar 28 03:07:47 there has been people file bug reports Mar 28 03:07:56 you could complain here, instead Mar 28 03:07:59 I can show you the bug report for my specific problem Mar 28 03:08:26 I have uploaded packet logs so others here can look at it Mar 28 03:08:26 WormFood: .... so you come in here bitch about something that you know is a software bug, complaining that it's hardware.... Mar 28 03:08:27 it's a fairly well known problem that the dhcp client on the n800 doesn't interact well with the dhcp server on some wireless routers. Mar 28 03:08:50 actually, it appears to be a software bug, but someone else said it is hardware Mar 28 03:09:30 zetx: what happens when you connect it via usb to pc? Mar 28 03:09:35 rwhitby, then why does it work, not work, then start working again on the same router? Mar 28 03:09:42 when I'm less than 2 meters away from the access point Mar 28 03:09:46 WormFood: due to dhcp lease expiry Mar 28 03:09:59 rwhitby, how can it possibly be that? Mar 28 03:10:34 I'll tell you what I did. I changed the lease time on the dhcp server on the router from infinite to 3600 seconds, and then it works reliably. Mar 28 03:10:41 it was working great for a month or more on the same router, then one day it just quits working Mar 28 03:11:02 ok, sounds like you have a different problem then. Mar 28 03:11:02 then why does it not work with routers I've never seen before? Mar 28 03:11:04 KotCzarny: On XP, and I don't see it doing anything. Mar 28 03:11:10 * rwhitby shrugs Mar 28 03:11:12 zetx: :/ Mar 28 03:11:30 I seriously doubt it is the router Mar 28 03:11:31 zetx: is it still in warranty ? Mar 28 03:11:44 it sounds more like a hardware problem Mar 28 03:11:46 KotCzarny: Just got it today, so yes. I guess I'll have to RMA it, huh? Mar 28 03:11:51 hum Mar 28 03:12:07 I unplug my router all the time, because it overheats (I hate linksys too) Mar 28 03:12:13 and you say it was charged for 2-3h at least? Mar 28 03:12:28 what happens when you connect the charger? Mar 28 03:12:32 nothing happens Mar 28 03:13:07 the wifi power saving sounds like the most likely problem, due to it working, not working, working again Mar 28 03:13:21 GeneralAntilles said earlier it was related to some power issue os2007 or the n800s (or both?) had and http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 was the solution after it got back to actually charging Mar 28 03:13:40 but I still haven't reached that step yet (he said his took 40 mins) Mar 28 03:13:48 but you can't flash if it doesn't show up as usb device Mar 28 03:13:49 right? Mar 28 03:13:51 right Mar 28 03:14:10 doesn't seem like the system detects a new device being plugged in Mar 28 03:14:10 does it have mmc card inside? Mar 28 03:14:24 it has the sd card it came with in Mar 28 03:14:42 then it should show it in windows at least Mar 28 03:14:46 hmm Mar 28 03:14:55 and you say it turned on once? Mar 28 03:15:04 yeah Mar 28 03:15:13 WormFood: option a) it's a software bug - add your info to it and push for it to be fixed. option b) it's a hardware bug - contact the vendor and request an RMA. Complaining here will gain you nothing. Mar 28 03:15:20 what exactly happened then? Mar 28 03:15:40 I just want to get rid of it now Mar 28 03:15:46 I'm done playing around with it Mar 28 03:15:57 so then you're just here to troll now? Mar 28 03:16:13 no Mar 28 03:16:15 i turned it on, took it out of the charger for a bit, connected on wifi, googled... then shut it down and put the charger back on (had to go to class >_>) .... came back an hour later and i'm pretty sure it still said 'charging' on the screen Mar 28 03:16:24 I want it to work, or I want to get rid of it Mar 28 03:16:25 so i took it out and then tried turning it on... Mar 28 03:16:36 and that didn't work Mar 28 03:16:39 WormFood: sorry man, but that's how it seems. I've given you suggestions on *productive* things you can do and you're ignoring them :/ Mar 28 03:16:40 and now we're here Mar 28 03:16:50 zetx: weird, but definitely not usual Mar 28 03:17:02 I have worked with other guys here, and tried a lot of different things Mar 28 03:17:13 it is very hard to troubleshoot a random problem Mar 28 03:17:23 it works one day, and not the next, then starts working again Mar 28 03:18:16 zetx: the only thing i know it needs to boot even to charge Mar 28 03:18:51 unfortunately I didn't have my laptop with me to capture the packet log when it was working Mar 28 03:18:51 but I do have packet logs of it not working Mar 28 03:18:51 but it does not make sense that it would be the power saving feature, because when I enter the IP manually it works Mar 28 03:18:54 i wonder what will happen with battery out and charger in Mar 28 03:19:15 wormfood: do you understand how pwoer saving feature works? Mar 28 03:19:59 Kot: Nothing happening on this end :p Mar 28 03:20:24 btw, is the charger on the n800 end supposed to stick out slightly? I push a bit, but it seems stuck Mar 28 03:20:49 metal part is visible for 0.5mm Mar 28 03:21:00 k Mar 28 03:21:41 no KotCzarny Mar 28 03:22:03 wormfood: then you can't say if it makes sense or not Mar 28 03:22:22 but it still does not make sense that any power saving would make dhcp not work, but static ip work Mar 28 03:22:31 dhcp is udp Mar 28 03:22:46 power saving is about turning off wifi for some periods of time Mar 28 03:23:05 udp means 'no confirmation required' Mar 28 03:23:14 you loose the packet? you loose Mar 28 03:23:22 I know what udp is Mar 28 03:23:37 udp is a connectionless protocol Mar 28 03:23:48 not guaranteed delivery Mar 28 03:24:00 yes Mar 28 03:25:07 btw. have you tried lowering powersaving? Mar 28 03:25:07 but if it is a software problem, then why do some people have no problems, and other people have a lot of problems? Mar 28 03:25:12 that sounds like a hardware problem to me Mar 28 03:25:29 wifi powersaving of course Mar 28 03:25:45 no I didn't Mar 28 03:25:49 then try Mar 28 03:26:04 it's in the same place where you configure ip and stuff Mar 28 03:26:09 but on the last tab in advanced Mar 28 03:26:45 I know where it is, thanks Mar 28 03:27:19 it does not make sense they would put a system wide setting on a connection specific area Mar 28 03:27:33 not true Mar 28 03:27:41 you may want more powersaving on the go Mar 28 03:27:47 and less powersaving at home Mar 28 03:28:05 it says that it affects the entire system....unless I misread it, or misunderstand what it said Mar 28 03:28:45 is that with the idea that it will be on the charger at home? Mar 28 03:28:52 probably Mar 28 03:30:31 ok, gtk1 is building, shower time, bbl Mar 28 03:30:45 l8r, thanks for your help Mar 28 03:46:53 bye Mar 28 04:19:08 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4304 Mar 28 04:19:10 d'oh. Mar 28 04:31:15 how to add extra locale to maemo? Mar 28 04:31:44 say japanese Mar 28 04:31:59 steal one from debian! Mar 28 04:32:00 :) Mar 28 04:32:07 and repackage it for maemo Mar 28 04:32:42 oh, can you tell me the detail steps? Mar 28 04:32:50 hmm Mar 28 04:33:03 using localedef? Mar 28 04:33:08 let me check Mar 28 04:33:17 thx Mar 28 04:35:40 i think they are in glibc package Mar 28 04:35:45 in /usr/lib/locale Mar 28 04:35:54 wonder if copying specific dir would be enough Mar 28 04:35:59 sure Mar 28 04:36:29 also /usr/share/{i18n,locale} Mar 28 04:36:53 I'll try Mar 28 04:37:33 ameng, you might also be interested in this if you haven't seen it: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 28 04:38:35 johnix:cool Mar 28 04:45:10 I already have fanoush, What do I need to copy the the Rotation Hacked Kernel to my Internal Mem Card? Mar 28 04:45:22 hi guys Mar 28 04:45:25 morning Mar 28 04:45:38 skibur: wget Mar 28 04:45:49 or use microb Mar 28 04:45:50 :) Mar 28 04:45:53 :) Mar 28 04:48:00 skibur, you're already "booting" from sd? Mar 28 04:48:18 well, I use to Mar 28 04:48:18 the kernel in flash is still the one used when booting from sd Mar 28 04:48:51 I use to have a clone in my SD card. I would boot that once in a while Mar 28 04:48:54 so flash the kernel once, then install all the rest of the stuff xserver, xrandr, applet in both places Mar 28 04:49:58 see I trying not to flash my device, but only flash/install directly to my SD card Mar 28 04:50:12 hmm Mar 28 04:50:22 kernel can be only flashed to builtin flash Mar 28 04:50:48 so, I need to flash it, then clone it to my SD card? Mar 28 04:50:52 no Mar 28 04:50:56 you flash only kernel Mar 28 04:50:58 nothing else Mar 28 04:51:05 no initfs no rootfs Mar 28 04:51:07 no cloning Mar 28 04:51:18 O I C Mar 28 04:52:03 so basically, I just adding rotation support to my current kernel. It will not effect my apps at all Mar 28 04:52:24 hmm Mar 28 04:52:32 1/ you flash kernel Mar 28 04:52:42 that alone won't change much Mar 28 04:52:50 2/ you install updated xomap Mar 28 04:53:09 2b/ you install rotation statusbar plug Mar 28 04:53:23 that will enable you to use rotation Mar 28 04:53:49 if you do step 1 it won't affect any app Mar 28 04:53:52 ok Mar 28 04:53:57 if you do steps 2 and 2b on sd Mar 28 04:54:06 you will have rotation when booting from sd Mar 28 04:54:16 ok Mar 28 04:54:18 if you do steps 2 and 2b to internal flash Mar 28 04:54:28 must be installed in both places, check Mar 28 04:54:29 you will have rotation when booting from intenral flash Mar 28 04:54:31 skibur, when you boot from sd the only thing loading from sd is the rootfs, the kernel in flash is still the one running Mar 28 04:54:57 Johnx, very clear now Mar 28 04:55:07 ok, here we go! Mar 28 04:55:27 kernel -> fanoush initfs -> (rootfs in flash -or- rootfs on sd) Mar 28 04:56:09 ah :D Mar 28 04:57:20 I'm following this guys http://sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 28 04:58:24 like most of us rotating freaks Mar 28 04:58:40 :D Mar 28 05:01:52 ah crap Mar 28 05:01:59 I have initfs_flasher Mar 28 05:02:09 there's also kernel_flasher Mar 28 05:02:15 on the same page Mar 28 05:02:15 :) Mar 28 05:02:18 ok Mar 28 05:03:04 or just use the official nokia one... Mar 28 05:05:19 3.0? Mar 28 05:12:59 hi Mar 28 05:13:33 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Mar 28 05:13:39 which one Mar 28 05:13:57 its seems that flasher-3.0.exe is windows, not linux app Mar 28 05:14:08 hi skibur Mar 28 05:14:14 jello Mar 28 05:15:19 Do you know about ssh keys Mar 28 05:16:03 what do you need? Mar 28 05:16:22 I mean how to upload them in garage.maemo.org Mar 28 05:17:10 after I logged in/Mypage/Account maintenance Mar 28 05:18:12 I did not find Edit keys there,so where do I find that option Mar 28 05:18:29 hmm Mar 28 05:18:37 xmms eats 84% cpu Mar 28 05:18:39 o.o Mar 28 05:19:07 fbreader can't read pdf files lol!!!!!!!!!!1 Mar 28 05:20:00 not sure Mar 28 05:27:08 KotCzarny, how do i know when the kernel is modtified? Mar 28 05:27:15 doing the test Mar 28 05:28:51 ? Mar 28 05:28:55 uname -a Mar 28 05:29:02 you will see who built it Mar 28 05:29:08 when and what version Mar 28 05:29:09 ic Mar 28 05:29:10 etc. Mar 28 05:29:21 flasher --load --boot --kernel kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 Mar 28 05:29:38 doing that before i flash Mar 28 05:29:56 huh Mar 28 05:30:01 it's actual flashing Mar 28 05:30:04 ahm Mar 28 05:30:05 sorry Mar 28 05:30:12 nvm. last comment Mar 28 05:30:13 :) Mar 28 05:35:03 uname -a doesn't show kernel-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71-randr2 Mar 28 05:35:24 doesn't matter Mar 28 05:35:44 my kernel shows: 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 28 05:35:50 and it's 2.6.21.0-osso71 Mar 28 05:36:03 look at build time and version Mar 28 05:45:13 ok Mar 28 05:45:30 I flashed it, pc --> nokia Mar 28 05:45:53 uname -a and I have 2.6.21-omap1 Mar 28 05:45:56 that is it Mar 28 05:46:18 then just conttinue Mar 28 05:46:50 ok :) Mar 28 05:54:56 xomap is not being accepted Mar 28 05:55:05 trying the Red Pill solution Mar 28 05:58:21 Ok I something wrong with the site Mar 28 05:58:25 found Mar 28 05:59:05 its seems the Link "Xomap" might be corrupted because it doesn't install. On the other Hand, the one at top works Mar 28 05:59:07 FYI Mar 28 06:01:46 last install Mar 28 06:01:59 plugin and app xrand Mar 28 06:04:07 I see the rotate Mar 28 06:04:12 x-fingers Mar 28 06:04:40 wait Mar 28 06:04:42 I dont Mar 28 06:04:45 see it Mar 28 06:04:48 NO!! Mar 28 06:06:01 ok I restarted and I see it Mar 28 06:06:05 anybody here? Mar 28 06:06:16 :) Mar 28 06:06:19 o ok Mar 28 06:06:50 ok I see the rotate thingy Mar 28 06:06:55 ok here I go Mar 28 06:07:19 !!! Mar 28 06:07:30 it booted Windows!!! Mar 28 06:08:31 jk Mar 28 06:08:33 it works Mar 28 06:09:04 my question is, what is Updated_blizzard_rotation_support_v2.diff Mar 28 06:09:38 it's the kernel patch in case you want to build your own kernel Mar 28 06:09:45 o ok Mar 28 06:10:45 its a little funky with the background Mar 28 06:10:46 lol Mar 28 06:10:51 yup Mar 28 06:10:53 but it rotates Mar 28 06:10:58 you did this? Mar 28 06:11:02 ? Mar 28 06:11:17 who did this rotate hack Mar 28 06:12:01 few people Mar 28 06:12:06 2 at least Mar 28 06:12:27 but it was jott who owns sse2.net site Mar 28 06:12:38 and prepared kernel and xomap for you Mar 28 06:13:09 man. xmms rulez. Mar 28 06:13:18 now i need to hunt this cpu usage bug. Mar 28 06:17:12 :) Mar 28 06:17:18 pupnik! Mar 28 06:17:44 rotate is a great hack Mar 28 06:18:00 yes Mar 28 06:18:06 especially for web and ebooks Mar 28 06:18:08 now I can read my google search with ease Mar 28 06:18:12 yeah Mar 28 06:18:22 and safe to apply even for n00bs Mar 28 06:18:22 :) Mar 28 06:18:39 :) Mar 28 06:19:14 you got an N800 or N810? Mar 28 06:19:17 n800 Mar 28 06:19:31 btw. you may be interested in neuvo-clear theme Mar 28 06:19:40 is it lite? Mar 28 06:19:43 yes Mar 28 06:19:46 nice Mar 28 06:19:48 maemo? Mar 28 06:20:01 erm. nuvoClear Mar 28 06:20:05 that's the name Mar 28 06:20:38 also if you don't want bg funkiness you need to prepare background exactly 160x160 Mar 28 06:20:43 and set it to tiled Mar 28 06:20:53 at least for now Mar 28 06:21:04 ok thanks for the info Mar 28 06:21:08 joting it down Mar 28 06:21:10 it may be 80x160 or 160x80 too Mar 28 06:22:37 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png Mar 28 06:23:39 xmms!!! Mar 28 06:23:40 lol Mar 28 06:23:45 :) Mar 28 06:23:45 yup Mar 28 06:23:49 xmms rulez Mar 28 06:23:49 so that is neuvo-clear Mar 28 06:24:00 yes Mar 28 06:24:08 but background is mine Mar 28 06:24:17 you got it from regular install Mar 28 06:24:25 somewhere from itt Mar 28 06:24:26 afair Mar 28 06:24:32 ok Mar 28 06:25:20 I'm searching for it Mar 28 06:32:01 hmm Mar 28 06:32:08 i can't seem to find it either Mar 28 06:32:11 but i have a copy Mar 28 06:32:14 if you want Mar 28 06:32:53 yeah Mar 28 06:32:55 sure Mar 28 06:33:02 I was search ITT Mar 28 06:33:06 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/nuvoClear.deb Mar 28 06:35:53 do you have kde installed? Mar 28 06:35:57 nope Mar 28 06:36:04 its ok Mar 28 06:36:49 I'm still waiting for some major fix like right clicking and mouse support Mar 28 06:37:00 hmm Mar 28 06:37:03 then it will be a great desktop Mar 28 06:37:06 pda Mar 28 06:37:07 :P Mar 28 06:37:11 i have hacked xkbd Mar 28 06:37:19 to include right click switch Mar 28 06:37:20 :) Mar 28 06:37:26 handy sometimes Mar 28 06:37:29 yeah, it works great for DosBox Mar 28 06:38:03 so the sequence is like this: click 'rmb mode' tapping is right click from now on Mar 28 06:38:12 click again 'rmb mode' back to left click Mar 28 06:38:23 nice Mar 28 06:38:57 I think when someone figures out bluetooth mouse support, its on! Mar 28 06:39:30 do you have one? Mar 28 06:40:16 bluetooth mouse? Mar 28 06:40:18 yeah Mar 28 06:40:24 have you tried it? Mar 28 06:40:26 and keyboard Mar 28 06:40:28 yeah Mar 28 06:40:40 it doesn't pick it up Mar 28 06:40:45 hmm Mar 28 06:41:15 question, how did you manage to move your icons to the far right of you N800? Mar 28 06:41:27 just drag it Mar 28 06:41:30 like in windows Mar 28 06:41:41 whole task bar Mar 28 06:42:38 ? Mar 28 06:43:14 for a start tap in the lower left part of the screen and drag it to the right Mar 28 06:43:52 on the n800? Mar 28 06:44:04 on the n8x0 Mar 28 06:44:47 weird Mar 28 06:44:51 nothing happens Mar 28 06:44:59 rotate first Mar 28 06:45:14 somehow it's only enabled after first rotation Mar 28 06:45:59 ok Mar 28 06:46:02 i see Mar 28 06:46:13 lol Mar 28 06:46:26 now its on the bottom Mar 28 06:46:27 :) Mar 28 06:46:37 have fun Mar 28 06:52:41 lol my N800 is all jacked up! Mar 28 06:57:12 KotCzarny: os2008? i don't seem to be able to move task bar on my n800 w/ os2008 Mar 28 06:57:31 arachnist: it's magically enabled after rotating screen Mar 28 06:57:43 probably some undocumented feature Mar 28 06:57:49 oh Mar 28 06:57:58 that someone disabled Mar 28 06:58:01 where does one enable screen rotation? :> Mar 28 06:58:07 sse2.net/rotate/ Mar 28 06:58:08 :) Mar 28 06:58:08 :) Mar 28 06:59:19 does the flasher work under freebsd? i got my n800 already flashed w/ os2008 Mar 28 06:59:28 don't know Mar 28 06:59:34 arachnist: Try the opensource one Mar 28 06:59:34 i have flashed directly on device Mar 28 06:59:39 using ssh Mar 28 06:59:40 :) Mar 28 06:59:40 :S Mar 28 07:02:06 how? the kernel image is stored in some visible place on the filesystem? Mar 28 07:02:22 (already got root on my n800, don't need to explain that part) Mar 28 07:02:47 no Mar 28 07:02:54 i have used a scripr Mar 28 07:02:55 script Mar 28 07:02:59 that uses mtdtools Mar 28 07:03:12 oh Mar 28 07:03:12 well need to jet Mar 28 07:03:17 you just flash the kernel on its own with KotCzarny's crazy hack or just use the Nokia flasher Mar 28 07:03:20 good nite Mar 28 07:03:32 happy hacking Mar 28 07:03:39 johnx: it's not mine, fanoush's work :) Mar 28 07:03:39 'night skibur Mar 28 07:03:40 thanks guys/gals Mar 28 07:03:53 arachnist has freebsd Mar 28 07:03:59 so i believe he's not such n00b Mar 28 07:04:00 :) Mar 28 07:04:01 Has anyone used u-boot/redboot Mar 28 07:04:10 arachnist, don't you have linux binary compatibility Mar 28 07:04:33 johnx: i have, but not everything works with it. especially if it's hardware related Mar 28 07:04:41 ah Mar 28 07:04:53 arachnist: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ Mar 28 07:05:24 h3sp4wn: thanks Mar 28 07:05:37 arachnist, google for fanoush kernel flasher Mar 28 07:05:59 the onboard flasher by fanoush should be safe, as well Mar 28 07:05:59 0xffff's docs are scarce :/ Mar 28 07:06:35 Well so are nokia's Mar 28 07:07:37 Its crazy that its necessary to go thru such messing around just because of nokia closing stuff up Mar 28 07:07:48 still better than apple Mar 28 07:07:50 i guess Mar 28 07:08:38 Yep probably - I just really don't know whether its worth starting using openembedded Mar 28 07:08:52 (All I need is wifi channel 13 and to read mail nothing else) Mar 28 07:09:11 :) Mar 28 07:09:23 i like n800's size Mar 28 07:09:27 and features Mar 28 07:09:37 and i can bear with some stuff closed Mar 28 07:09:45 because i can ignore them and just use my own Mar 28 07:09:46 :) Mar 28 07:10:11 I just got the nokia 778 on a whim (sold one for the wrong country) Mar 28 07:10:22 hmm Mar 28 07:10:35 maybe flasher from nokia can change your country? Mar 28 07:10:52 afair european regulations allow chan <=13 Mar 28 07:11:03 Yeah but this is a US one Mar 28 07:11:10 i.e the mac on it is for US Mar 28 07:11:17 hmm Mar 28 07:12:00 There is something in /sys Mar 28 07:12:16 that you can change but thats only for e.g iwlist etc Mar 28 07:12:31 iwconfig? Mar 28 07:12:47 i also like my n800. yesterday i even bought an 8GB sdhc card for it ;> Mar 28 07:13:07 keesj: I can do that but its getting towards inpractical Mar 28 07:13:08 hmm Mar 28 07:13:17 h3sp4wn: have you tried changing locale? Mar 28 07:13:19 iwlist eth1 channel Mar 28 07:13:32 KotCzarny: I have tried DE Mar 28 07:13:49 no luck? Mar 28 07:13:53 No Mar 28 07:14:18 it's 770 or 800? Mar 28 07:14:24 770 Mar 28 07:14:28 hmm Mar 28 07:14:31 i have n800 Mar 28 07:14:38 so my mac won't be helpfull Mar 28 07:15:01 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/27/diy_satellite_installer/ Mar 28 07:15:42 no probs - I am getting close to just ripping the thing appart and adding serial and jtag and just starting from total scratch Mar 28 07:16:12 :) Mar 28 07:16:17 why should you? Mar 28 07:16:32 unless you got it to nonoperating state Mar 28 07:16:42 you can flash kernel/initfs/rootfs Mar 28 07:16:48 even bootloader Mar 28 07:16:54 Well then I can use angstrom or one of the others Mar 28 07:17:15 that shouldn't care about stuff in nokias bootloader Mar 28 07:17:45 it will be enough to flash your own kernel/rootfs Mar 28 07:17:54 and it will happili load it Mar 28 07:18:00 happily Mar 28 07:18:06 it's not picky Mar 28 07:18:07 :) Mar 28 07:18:28 no need for brute force :) Mar 28 07:20:09 So why is it encrypted or whatever then Mar 28 07:21:37 what's encrypted? Mar 28 07:21:55 and BTW, Debian already runs if you're interested. :) Mar 28 07:22:05 johnx: do you remember how to profile gcc apps? Mar 28 07:22:25 johnx: Bootloader Mar 28 07:23:17 johnx: Debian armel right ? Mar 28 07:23:17 ah, well the bootloader is closed source, I think Mar 28 07:23:22 yeah Mar 28 07:23:45 but the bootloader seems happy enough to load any arbitrary Linux kernel Mar 28 07:24:59 Can that bootloader be accessed via serial ? Mar 28 07:25:18 define 'accessed' Mar 28 07:25:39 I can reflash from it Mar 28 07:25:49 yes, you can overwrite it Mar 28 07:25:59 it's simply first 128kb of internal flash Mar 28 07:25:59 usb external dvd-rom can work with n800 yes? Mar 28 07:26:02 you can reflash it with anything you want using either Nokia's flasher, mtdtools or dd Mar 28 07:26:14 but if you flash something bad Mar 28 07:26:15 i found info about cdrom floopy disk on my n800 data! Mar 28 07:26:30 you will need jtag Mar 28 07:26:49 because it's similiar to b0rking bootloader in wrt54g Mar 28 07:26:50 :) Mar 28 07:27:07 Italodance, that's just left over stuff, but it can be made to work with a dvd drive (but it's not fast enough to play dvds) Mar 28 07:27:39 I have an arm jtag but I guess the connector is not already there Mar 28 07:28:03 johnx yes exactly i found info for these on my n800 data Mar 28 07:28:20 Italodance, you mean /floppy and /cdrom? Mar 28 07:28:38 dvd-rom floppy disk yes! Mar 28 07:28:42 h3sp4wn, there are pads under the battery that I think people thought might be jtag Mar 28 07:28:51 Italodance, those are just left over files Mar 28 07:28:57 nothing to get excited over Mar 28 07:29:29 johnx> so can it works with these? Mar 28 07:30:13 Italodance, look here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491&highlight=dvd Mar 28 07:30:21 I don't know anything else about it... Mar 28 07:31:11 johnx thank u Mar 28 07:34:59 johnx did u installed cdrom.deb? has it an icon for menu? Mar 28 07:35:39 Italodance, it's command line only. I've never used it. I don't know *anything* else about it. I just found it by searching like you could have done. Mar 28 07:36:15 ok Mar 28 07:46:42 darn. where's pupnik when i need him Mar 28 07:49:43 johnx http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_CDROM_Drive and yes it works on n8x0 :D cool! Mar 28 07:51:20 cdrom is twice the size of n800.. Mar 28 07:51:35 better option is to have 4gb sd card Mar 28 07:51:40 or more Mar 28 07:51:43 yes but woeks :D Mar 28 07:56:16 huh Mar 28 07:56:36 i thoght the onscreen keyboard would look worse in rotation Mar 28 07:56:44 :) Mar 28 07:56:50 i prefer xkbd anyway Mar 28 07:56:54 more flexible Mar 28 07:56:59 and open Mar 28 07:57:13 although the "finger-capable" one is unusable with rotation Mar 28 07:57:29 grow nails Mar 28 07:57:30 ;) Mar 28 08:14:57 what's the correct extras repo to be added in my own .install file? Mar 28 08:15:24 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html Mar 28 08:15:29 is that example correct Mar 28 08:15:30 ? Mar 28 08:19:50 huh, with screen rotation chess are a mess ;> Mar 28 08:19:57 :) Mar 28 08:20:10 not all apps are behaving Mar 28 08:20:31 but i guess you can tell it to resize itself Mar 28 08:20:33 or something Mar 28 08:43:18 hi ph5 Mar 28 08:45:39 good morning Mar 28 08:45:51 have you done progiling with gcc and gprof? Mar 28 08:45:55 profiling Mar 28 08:49:41 not really. I played with it once. Mar 28 08:50:06 i'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu time.. Mar 28 09:05:22 btw, sometimes when i play with panel location, it seem to crash Mar 28 09:05:36 is there any way to restore it, without rebooting? Mar 28 09:05:45 yes Mar 28 09:05:54 but tell me how do you do it Mar 28 09:05:59 i managed it once Mar 28 09:06:04 and later wasn't able :/ Mar 28 09:06:12 it happend here for the 3rd time Mar 28 09:06:17 i just tried to move it around Mar 28 09:06:21 how exactly you did it? Mar 28 09:07:04 as for restoring just kill hildon-desktop Mar 28 09:07:10 it should restart without rebooting Mar 28 09:07:24 i just tried to move it in one stroke from the left side to the bottom and then to the right Mar 28 09:07:31 KotCzarny: what's the hold-up? getting profile logs? interpreting the data? (and did you try oprofile) Mar 28 09:07:59 ph5: it seems to ignore dynamically loaded modules Mar 28 09:08:07 ie. xmms gets profiled Mar 28 09:08:13 but inputmp3.so not Mar 28 09:08:27 (or whatever it's called) Mar 28 09:10:07 KotCzarny: as I said I'm by far no expert in this, but I think this is a limitation of gprof Mar 28 09:10:55 I'd have a look at oprofile, especially since your cpu load is near 100%, statistic sampling should give good enough results. Mar 28 09:11:07 how do i use it? Mar 28 09:12:40 http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/05/22/oprofile-and-maemo-n800/ Mar 28 09:12:41 http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile/ Mar 28 09:12:49 thx Mar 28 09:13:03 bah. Mar 28 09:13:08 kernel recompiling :/ Mar 28 09:13:32 the maemo page has a link to a precompiled kernel Mar 28 09:16:03 Morning, all Mar 28 09:16:05 I just finished that marbles game....on the easy level....damn, that shit is hard....it is more like a job than a game it makes you think so much Mar 28 09:16:12 evening here :P Mar 28 09:19:42 WormFood: trains the brains :) Mar 28 09:21:25 yup Mar 28 09:21:49 KotCzarny! Mar 28 09:22:01 that last level must have taken me at least 15 minutes to figure out Mar 28 09:22:26 hi pupnik Mar 28 09:22:26 marbles is too hard for pupnik Mar 28 09:22:41 what you say my name for? ^^ Mar 28 09:22:41 i'm trying to find out why xmms takes >90% cpu Mar 28 09:22:52 hmrm Mar 28 09:23:04 KotCzarny, beause you're running it on a 386sx-16mhz? Mar 28 09:23:24 wormfood: go away Mar 28 09:23:26 i have only seen 9-15 percent Mar 28 09:23:56 pupnik: hmm Mar 28 09:23:58 what format, what playlist size? Mar 28 09:24:01 awww...come on KotCzarny, don't you have a sense of humor? Mar 28 09:24:02 mp3 Mar 28 09:24:06 simple playlist Mar 28 09:24:15 esd Mar 28 09:24:29 i should try playing some .mod Mar 28 09:24:40 they have mikmod? Mar 28 09:24:47 my version has Mar 28 09:24:58 meee meem meeeee Mar 28 09:25:02 give meeeeee Mar 28 09:25:04 :) Mar 28 09:25:07 hmm Mar 28 09:25:08 ok Mar 28 09:25:17 but as i said it's eating so much cpu Mar 28 09:25:22 and i don't know why Mar 28 09:25:25 ok Mar 28 09:25:29 then nm Mar 28 09:25:35 :) Mar 28 09:25:50 but it was plain compile Mar 28 09:26:00 no gtk-config problems? Mar 28 09:26:04 nope Mar 28 09:26:07 nice Mar 28 09:26:20 regular mikmod for xmms? Mar 28 09:26:22 yes Mar 28 09:26:34 no ./configure mess Mar 28 09:26:38 all autodetected Mar 28 09:27:17 ok playing a 64kb mono mp3 i get 2.5% cpu in xmms Mar 28 09:27:35 it's not mp3 i think Mar 28 09:27:43 it's something in the code Mar 28 09:27:51 stupid loop somewhere Mar 28 09:28:33 hmm Mar 28 09:28:38 weird Mar 28 09:29:01 playing .mod results in ~3% cpu Mar 28 09:29:09 so maybe it's mp3 plugin Mar 28 09:29:21 w00t Mar 28 09:29:26 erm. even less Mar 28 09:29:29 x forwarding through ssh is just awesome Mar 28 09:29:30 0.3% Mar 28 09:29:46 crashanddie, indeed it is Mar 28 09:30:02 using esound output plugin? Mar 28 09:30:04 yes Mar 28 09:30:19 weird Mar 28 09:30:34 even with interpolation on Mar 28 09:30:45 KotCzarny: it's not upscaling to 48kHz or something? Mar 28 09:30:47 libmpg123.so input plugin for mp3? Mar 28 09:30:55 yes Mar 28 09:31:04 aquatix: it is, but same for mikmod Mar 28 09:31:21 but even then, upscaling taking 90% of 400mhz cpu? Mar 28 09:32:01 it regularly takes 15-20% on my 1.5GHz pentium-m :/ Mar 28 09:32:05 stupid stuff Mar 28 09:32:06 o.O Mar 28 09:32:21 depends on the source file Mar 28 09:32:42 generally it's about 3% cpu, but sometimes a track causes my player to do almost 20% cpu Mar 28 09:33:00 so, o.O indeed Mar 28 09:33:08 seriously, it shouldn't use more than 1% on pentium-m Mar 28 09:33:23 unless code is unoptimized Mar 28 09:33:54 xmms cpu usage is so low on my 1.8Ghz P4 (single core), I don't even see the load Mar 28 09:34:42 I haven't seen xmms above 3% usage on my machine Mar 28 09:36:20 hi all Mar 28 09:37:33 * aquatix doesn't use xmms btw Mar 28 09:38:19 good evening bedboi Mar 28 09:38:32 pupnik: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ Mar 28 09:38:33 2526 mpd 20 0 17828 11m 3624 R 18.1 0.9 17:42.04 mpd Mar 28 09:38:38 in case you want to try Mar 28 09:38:55 18.1% cpu; but the author says that's because of alsa [which is true] Mar 28 09:39:04 i was just trying to figure out whether to build mikmod or xmp or what Mar 28 09:39:10 if i let it use oss, it drops to 0.3% or something Mar 28 09:39:14 thanks much Mar 28 09:39:14 damn it! I can't get to any dyndsn.org address, because they are blocked in china :( Mar 28 09:39:24 btw, this is my cpu clocked back to 600MHz Mar 28 09:39:33 * aquatix shuts up Mar 28 09:39:38 actually, I just need to vpn my dns lookups, and I can visit it Mar 28 09:39:46 aquatix: do you undervolt ? Mar 28 09:39:46 :) Mar 28 09:39:54 no Mar 28 09:40:02 just use cpufreqd and such :) Mar 28 09:40:03 you should Mar 28 09:40:11 :) Mar 28 09:40:19 i guess Mar 28 09:40:21 * WormFood cringes at the thought of cpufreqd Mar 28 09:40:31 cpufreqd does not work worth a damn on my laptop Mar 28 09:40:31 WormFood: it actually works here Mar 28 09:40:43 i can get my fun to shut-up finally Mar 28 09:40:49 and not to bother me so often Mar 28 09:40:50 ;) Mar 28 09:40:55 your fun? Mar 28 09:41:03 s/fun/fan/ Mar 28 09:41:08 ooohhhh Mar 28 09:41:21 does anyone know if there are c++ libs available for the maemo platform ? Mar 28 09:41:27 just stick something in it to make it stop spinning...that will make it shut-up ;) Mar 28 09:41:27 WormFood: http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/powermanagement/ Mar 28 09:41:37 heheh Mar 28 09:41:54 WormFood: and makes for a nice glowing laptop Mar 28 09:43:00 thanks aquatix, I'll take a look at it in more detail Mar 28 09:43:15 WormFood: that's my write-up of how i got it to work here Mar 28 09:43:34 it seems like cpufreqd runs backwards...as soon as I put more load on it, it goes into low speed....but do nothing and it runs at 100%....very frustrating Mar 28 09:44:12 myeah, cpufreqd is only about those rules Mar 28 09:44:20 if you get those right, it works like a charm Mar 28 09:44:30 aquatix: you should try undervolting Mar 28 09:44:34 it's nice Mar 28 09:44:35 :) Mar 28 09:44:40 and effective Mar 28 09:44:46 not sure whether my bios can do that Mar 28 09:44:48 I did adjust those rules, but it still never seemed to work right Mar 28 09:44:50 or can i do that from linux? Mar 28 09:44:54 do you have pentium-m ? Mar 28 09:44:58 KotCzarny: yeah Mar 28 09:45:02 then you can Mar 28 09:45:06 I stop cpufreqd and just use cptfreqtools, and it seems to run as I want Mar 28 09:45:08 simply apply kernel patch Mar 28 09:45:14 WormFood: ah, ok Mar 28 09:45:17 I sill have not put a lot of time into figuring it out Mar 28 09:45:21 I will look at it later Mar 28 09:45:21 and then you have interface to set votlages Mar 28 09:45:23 WormFood: well, stick with that then ;) Mar 28 09:45:29 in /sys/ Mar 28 09:45:31 KotCzarny: interesting Mar 28 09:45:38 look for phc-linux Mar 28 09:46:36 but having it automatically clock back to 600MHz helps a lot already Mar 28 09:46:45 yes, but not enough Mar 28 09:46:54 at least not for my ibm x32 Mar 28 09:47:14 i'm not much on battery lately Mar 28 09:47:17 I'm using a T30 laptop Mar 28 09:47:25 but it's nice against the [little] noise Mar 28 09:47:27 t30 uses pentium-4 Mar 28 09:47:27 I just bought a new battery for my laptop...cost me less than $30 usd Mar 28 09:47:49 wow Mar 28 09:47:53 aquatix: [7$ svn: svn co http://phcpatches.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/acpi-cpufreq phcpatches/cpufreq Mar 28 09:47:54 my new battery was 130 euro Mar 28 09:48:03 :) Mar 28 09:48:11 now my new battery is not made by IBM...it is 3rd party Mar 28 09:48:15 anyone got info about libs, like commonc++ or stuff like that for the maemo platform ? Or pointers on how to get them there ? Mar 28 09:48:31 and I just upgraded my ram to 1 gig too...that cost me a little over $30 usd Mar 28 09:48:43 my battery cost me 180 rmb, and my memory was 220 rmb Mar 28 09:48:51 WormFood: yeah, got some 3rd party one too Mar 28 09:49:03 it is that VAT that gets ya in EU Mar 28 09:49:07 it's a 4400mAh one Mar 28 09:49:13 that too yeah Mar 28 09:49:31 yeah, mine is 4400mAh too Mar 28 09:51:59 of course, I got my battery in china, where they make them, so that is why it is so cheap :D Mar 28 09:52:10 ah, heheh Mar 28 09:52:14 mine if from Japan Mar 28 09:52:19 christefano, are you in florida? Mar 28 09:52:37 yup, I am Mar 28 09:52:42 where abouts? Mar 28 09:52:49 I'm from the Ocala area Mar 28 09:52:52 Lauderdale by the Sea Mar 28 09:53:13 I'm just west of daytona beach, about equal distance from each coast Mar 28 09:53:20 or I WAS there...I'm in China now :D Mar 28 09:53:26 KotCzarny: did you test cpu usage with .sids? Mar 28 09:53:49 WormFood: I'm visiting a friend down here. gorgeous beaches! Mar 28 09:53:52 pupnik: i'm downloading libsid* packages Mar 28 09:53:58 i will build it right now Mar 28 09:54:56 they don't call it "the bikini state" for nothing ;) Mar 28 09:55:00 ok i do host it too Mar 28 09:55:12 http://pupnik.de/xmms-sid-0.8.0beta17_armel.deb Mar 28 09:55:23 0.8.24 is the latest Mar 28 09:55:24 i think Mar 28 09:55:25 :) Mar 28 09:55:31 and 2.1.1 Mar 28 09:55:32 WormFood: what makes Ocala the horse capital of the world? Mar 28 09:56:10 really want to know? Mar 28 09:56:12 erm. sorry Mar 28 09:56:13 it is the water Mar 28 09:56:18 looked at the wrong package Mar 28 09:56:19 :) Mar 28 09:56:37 the military notices that recruits that were born and raised in the ocala area had an unusually low number of broken bones Mar 28 09:56:43 an spc player would be interesting if you are motivated Mar 28 09:56:52 spc? Mar 28 09:56:59 I suspect it is because the calcium in the water gives the horses very strong bones Mar 28 09:57:00 the SNES music Mar 28 09:57:21 it is hell on my sinks and bathtubs tho ;) Mar 28 09:57:30 WormFood: :) Mar 28 09:57:35 i have so much trouble building stuff i don't want to build anything you'll build Mar 28 09:57:40 does anyone know how/if you can make GPE summary display calendar entries for only the current day? Mar 28 09:57:54 pupnik: why don't you simply use packages.debian.org ? Mar 28 09:57:54 :> Mar 28 09:58:10 WormFood: that's crazy. I feel for the espresso machine owners in Ocala's coffee shops Mar 28 09:58:16 no doubt Mar 28 09:58:43 i usually try to apt-get source things first Mar 28 09:59:13 i may add debian to the apt lists Mar 28 09:59:19 KotCzarny: btw, do you have ipw2200 too? Mar 28 09:59:20 christefano, I have lived in and around ocala for most of my life, and I only have 2 broken bones Mar 28 09:59:23 and a debian kernel? Mar 28 09:59:35 aquatix: ipw2200 yes, slackware though Mar 28 09:59:40 I'm so pissed...I turned down an ipw2200 for a prism54g Mar 28 09:59:49 WormFood: i have none, and i live on the other side of the earth ;) Mar 28 09:59:50 and yes, i have recompiled it myslelf Mar 28 10:00:00 of course the prism54g was about 1/2 the price of the ipw2200 Mar 28 10:00:12 WormFood: yeah, two broken bones is higher than average :) Mar 28 10:00:12 KotCzarny: ah. i installed a debian kernel [2.6.24] and ipw2200 stopped working Mar 28 10:00:22 it says it can't find my firmware, while it's there :/ Mar 28 10:00:25 but I'm still pissed...because I'm sure the ipw2200 would have worked fine if I just updated the firmware in it Mar 28 10:00:27 aquatix: heh, maybe not Mar 28 10:00:34 install latest Mar 28 10:00:42 christefano, I was pretty crazy as a kid Mar 28 10:00:42 and is it in /lib/firmware ? Mar 28 10:00:42 i have the latest Mar 28 10:00:53 I fell off a horse and landed on a rock and broke my collar bone :( Mar 28 10:00:54 yes Mar 28 10:01:02 ouch Mar 28 10:01:03 then look in dmesg Mar 28 10:01:03 WormFood: ouch, nasty one to break Mar 28 10:01:08 hey, just tell me: if I fetch a debian .deb for commonc++, would it work on maemo ? (if compiled for ARM) Mar 28 10:01:22 crashanddie: you need armel Mar 28 10:01:24 but one good thing about it, I was finally able to remember right from left after breaking it ;) Mar 28 10:01:46 KotCzarny, "I need armel" ? Mar 28 10:01:57 crashanddie: arm != armel Mar 28 10:01:58 there are different packages for arm Mar 28 10:02:11 WormFood: lol Mar 28 10:02:17 WormFood: haha Mar 28 10:02:17 WormFood: you woman ;) Mar 28 10:02:24 I have 2 different arm based machines that run Linux...a gumstix and a zaurus 5500 :) Mar 28 10:02:45 oh Mar 28 10:02:48 Hi, how to play rmvb file , the mplayer for maemo can not? Mar 28 10:02:52 that sucks Mar 28 10:03:18 crashanddie: not really, sbox+sdk works really nice Mar 28 10:03:20 I need to get ready to leave the house....I'll chat with you guys later...take it easy Mar 28 10:04:01 WormFood: cheers from Florida Mar 28 10:04:12 christefano, cheers from China ;) Mar 28 10:04:16 :) Mar 28 10:04:31 KotCzarny: it still says this when modprobing the ipw2200 module - http://aquariusoft.org/pastebin/?id=e76e4b9c686484adf25a022eb0053e75 Mar 28 10:04:40 argh. Mar 28 10:04:44 tiny.pl ! Mar 28 10:04:45 :) Mar 28 10:04:50 or pastebin.com :) Mar 28 10:04:54 KotCzarny, yeah, but I already have apps that depend on libraries like xerces or commonc++ Mar 28 10:05:06 KotCzarny: don't trash my own pastebin ;) Mar 28 10:05:14 crashanddie: can you compile xerces or commonc++ ? Mar 28 10:05:23 KotCzarny, probably, yeah Mar 28 10:05:25 aquatix: then make it simple :) Mar 28 10:05:31 myeah Mar 28 10:05:35 i might Mar 28 10:05:41 KotCzarny, get the sources, compile in sbox and try to install ? Mar 28 10:06:08 crashanddie: probably Mar 28 10:06:27 some armel packages wor as they are. i mean packages from debian repo Mar 28 10:06:31 aquatix: ls -l /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw ? Mar 28 10:06:41 -rw-r--r-- 1 root users 191142 2006-03-07 20:49 /lib/firmware/ipw2200-bss.fw Mar 28 10:06:46 hmm Mar 28 10:06:50 that's version 3.0 fyi Mar 28 10:07:06 then you will have to look up where the hell it expects firmware files Mar 28 10:07:13 so i'm puzzled :) Mar 28 10:07:13 :) Mar 28 10:07:14 well, right there Mar 28 10:07:22 tried some other places to Mar 28 10:07:23 *too Mar 28 10:07:30 are you sure the name of the firmware file is correct? Mar 28 10:07:54 aquatix: btw. do you use initfs? Mar 28 10:07:59 on you debian box? Mar 28 10:08:02 i just untarred the tarball from the site Mar 28 10:08:15 KotCzarny: erm Mar 28 10:08:43 good question :) how do i check? Mar 28 10:08:47 :) Mar 28 10:08:59 dmesg|grep -i freeing Mar 28 10:09:02 or something Mar 28 10:09:12 Freeing initrd memory: 4426k freed Mar 28 10:09:28 add your firmware files to initrd Mar 28 10:09:32 or compile ipw as module Mar 28 10:09:38 and rmmod & modprobe again Mar 28 10:09:42 in rc.local ;) Mar 28 10:09:52 hm Mar 28 10:10:15 it's weird though; i just installed the debian kernel with the firmware already in place Mar 28 10:10:18 oh well Mar 28 10:10:21 trying to add them to initrd Mar 28 10:11:01 I'm running debian sid, and I didn't need to add any firmware to the initrd image for my prism54g Mar 28 10:11:15 running sid too Mar 28 10:11:24 but ipw2200 and 2100 require a firmware blob Mar 28 10:11:31 which isn't even in a .deb Mar 28 10:11:39 need to download a tarball from ipw2200.sf.net Mar 28 10:11:43 I just drop "isl3886" into my /lib/firmware/ directory for my piece of crap prism54g Mar 28 10:13:37 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464733&sourceid=mozilla-search <- weird, i have 2.6.24-4 and still have the problem Mar 28 10:14:49 * WormFood leaves Mar 28 10:14:56 WormFood: cya Mar 28 10:16:23 wow, sidplay configure part finished Mar 28 10:16:33 i wonder how long it will build then :> Mar 28 10:16:39 KotCzarny: finally :) Mar 28 10:16:44 heh, 3sec ;) Mar 28 10:16:52 :) Mar 28 10:16:59 i doubt ;) Mar 28 10:17:50 at least debian build system doesn't require interaction ;) Mar 28 10:19:27 indeed Mar 28 10:19:39 are you cross-compiling or something? Mar 28 10:20:05 nope Mar 28 10:20:13 sb1+sdk on p3@566 Mar 28 10:20:15 :) Mar 28 10:20:35 so it's more like quemulated native compiling Mar 28 10:21:02 qemulated things ftw Mar 28 10:22:00 i think compiling on n800 could be faster Mar 28 10:22:15 heheheh Mar 28 10:22:21 what machine are you running it on? Mar 28 10:22:26 p3@566 Mar 28 10:22:32 ah yes, duh Mar 28 10:22:39 could very well be indeed ;) Mar 28 10:22:51 * aquatix sooo wants to build his new machine he has planned Mar 28 10:23:00 is going to cost me dearly, but whatever Mar 28 10:23:11 go used Mar 28 10:23:12 :) Mar 28 10:23:21 wow. packaging stage Mar 28 10:23:25 well, that's what i've been doing for ages Mar 28 10:23:30 and upgrading Mar 28 10:23:36 but now i want a completely new machine Mar 28 10:23:45 well, the monitor is going to cost the most Mar 28 10:23:53 * aquatix wants a Samsung 305T Mar 28 10:24:01 call me insane ;) Mar 28 10:24:11 * KotCzarny is fine with 12" laptop's tft Mar 28 10:24:11 [yeah, that's a 30" tft] Mar 28 10:24:26 i'm doing dual monitor with my laptop now Mar 28 10:24:41 1400x1050 on my laptop's 15" and 1600x1200 on my 19" CRT Mar 28 10:24:48 makes about 3000x1200 Mar 28 10:24:58 also quite nice ;) Mar 28 10:25:57 but i'm getting tired of using my laptop as workstation Mar 28 10:26:06 and my old workstation makes more noise than our vacuum cleaner Mar 28 10:26:40 yeah. Mar 28 10:26:45 undervolting ftw! Mar 28 10:26:48 KotCzarny: do you use fuse to browse in .zips? Mar 28 10:26:55 nope, mc Mar 28 10:27:12 (and yes, i have mc on n800 too and in sb) Mar 28 10:27:17 storing these 4096 byte .sids seperately is silly Mar 28 10:27:29 KotCzarny: you have mc for n8x0? nice Mar 28 10:27:47 aquatix: most apps build fine in sb+sdk Mar 28 10:27:48 :) Mar 28 10:27:54 aparently ;) Mar 28 10:28:18 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/debian/xmms-sid-0.7.4+0.8.0beta15] > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage Mar 28 10:28:20 finally Mar 28 10:28:22 :) Mar 28 10:29:35 pupnik: can you create a package with some sids? Mar 28 10:29:45 d'you think people would be interested in a .deb of commonc++2 for maemo ? Mar 28 10:30:47 KotCzarny: maybe when i have some more favorites to share Mar 28 10:31:14 i could use them for testing Mar 28 10:31:14 :) Mar 28 10:31:31 http://pupnik.de/Blues_Muz-Party.sid Mar 28 10:31:32 dpkg-deb: building package `xmms-sid' in `../xmms-sid_0.7.4+0.8.0beta15-3_armel.deb'. Mar 28 10:31:37 that was fast :) Mar 28 10:31:42 http://pupnik.de/Klax__Krzysztof_Krawczyk-Peace.sid Mar 28 10:31:52 http://pupnik.de/SMC__Sanke_Michael_Choe-Soulfood.sid Mar 28 10:31:57 KotCzarny: said so :P Mar 28 10:32:00 krawczyk? Mar 28 10:32:03 http://pupnik.de/Timo_Taipalus__Abaddon-Funky.sid Mar 28 10:32:04 d'Oh! Mar 28 10:32:55 i don't see how you got gtk 1.2 building without mucking with the configure Mar 28 10:33:10 i didn't do anything Mar 28 10:33:21 just installed glib1 and gtk1 Mar 28 10:33:25 mine breaks when it calls gtk-config Mar 28 10:33:31 btw. those packages are on that link too Mar 28 10:33:33 then it gets gtk2 headers Mar 28 10:34:03 * pupnik is frustrated Mar 28 10:34:51 mods not playing Mar 28 10:35:10 get my xmms too Mar 28 10:35:18 no way Mar 28 10:35:25 no problem on mods Mar 28 10:35:26 :) Mar 28 10:35:58 because libmikmod is standalone lib Mar 28 10:36:08 mikmod plugin is packaged with xmms Mar 28 10:36:25 wtf Mar 28 10:36:34 your libmikmod is just libmikmod, not an xmms plugin Mar 28 10:36:37 yes Mar 28 10:36:47 xmms bundles mikmod plugin Mar 28 10:36:50 hmm Mar 28 10:36:54 which depends on libmikmod Mar 28 10:37:14 but you can get my xmms package and simply unpack this plugin Mar 28 10:37:22 and copy to your plugins dir Mar 28 10:39:53 where is your xmms url? Mar 28 10:40:04 same as before Mar 28 10:40:19 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/dist/ Mar 28 10:41:29 lol, straight after reinstalling the kernel .deb i do an apt update and there's a new version of the kernel Mar 28 10:45:14 hmm Mar 28 10:45:25 stereo decoding sucks too much cpu Mar 28 10:45:31 but mono is ok Mar 28 10:45:37 :) Mar 28 10:45:43 of sid? Mar 28 10:45:51 or mp3? Mar 28 10:46:02 erm. wrong. Mar 28 10:46:08 only optimized mode is ok Mar 28 10:46:35 erm. Mar 28 10:46:39 mono + optimized. Mar 28 10:46:47 sid Mar 28 10:47:07 yaay your mod works Mar 28 10:47:28 no kidding?! Mar 28 10:47:30 ;) Mar 28 10:47:51 sid is eating 45% Mar 28 10:47:55 with 'free's xmms Mar 28 10:47:59 :/ Mar 28 10:48:08 pupnik: no, with debian's Mar 28 10:48:23 i don't use free's version Mar 28 10:48:33 xmms playing mod is showing... 0.0-0.3 % cpu ... Mar 28 10:48:43 top is not a benchmark Mar 28 10:48:44 ;) Mar 28 10:48:46 yeah Mar 28 10:49:00 btw i like interpolation 'off' better Mar 28 10:49:11 yeah Mar 28 10:49:14 filter-off Mar 28 10:49:15 ;) Mar 28 10:49:29 * aquatix can play sid's and such on his smartphone Mar 28 10:49:36 sids work anyway Mar 28 10:49:42 though very cpu intensive Mar 28 10:50:01 i could try hardsid emulation though Mar 28 10:50:12 [fyi, if you're using a symbian/uiq3 phone, check n-player :) ] Mar 28 10:50:30 aquatix: good module player for s60? Mar 28 10:50:32 :) Mar 28 10:50:47 dunno whether it's for s60 too Mar 28 10:50:54 but there's a version for uiq3 Mar 28 10:51:05 i have it on my sonyericsson m600i Mar 28 10:51:30 hmm Mar 28 10:51:38 sid1 emulation is less cpu intensive Mar 28 10:51:42 but sounds different Mar 28 10:52:17 hyhyhy Mar 28 10:52:21 sid1 8% Mar 28 10:52:22 ;) Mar 28 10:52:33 well. 8.8 Mar 28 10:52:45 you were using sid2? Mar 28 10:52:54 yup Mar 28 10:53:09 going to try that new kernel version Mar 28 10:53:13 reboot, brb Mar 28 10:53:21 45% with sid2 (mono + optimized (innacurate)) Mar 28 10:53:48 9% with sid1 (mono) Mar 28 10:54:34 10% with sid1 (stereo) Mar 28 10:55:07 LOL Mar 28 10:55:15 xmms effects plugins work with sid :> Mar 28 10:55:40 echo is 'interesting' Mar 28 10:56:03 so is extra stereo Mar 28 10:56:08 yup Mar 28 10:56:19 btw. have you tried sox-xmms plugin? Mar 28 10:56:20 :> Mar 28 10:56:32 i have used it on my pc Mar 28 10:56:37 it's great :) Mar 28 10:58:05 hmm interesting Mar 28 10:59:56 more interesting will be xmms-mplayer plugin Mar 28 10:59:57 :> Mar 28 11:00:12 xmms ftw! Mar 28 11:03:28 :) Mar 28 11:03:29 Source Package xmms-fmradio Mar 28 11:03:32 mmm pie! Mar 28 11:03:33 ;) Mar 28 11:03:51 http://www.weirdasianews.com/2008/03/27/japanese-kanji-i-love-you/ <| lol Mar 28 11:04:25 why on earth are you still beating that dead horse (xmms)? Mar 28 11:04:28 through the xmms-remote interface, a toolbar applet would be doable, but it wouldn't have the same feel Mar 28 11:05:03 xmms sucks least Mar 28 11:05:15 :) Mar 28 11:05:16 yeah Mar 28 11:06:42 there was a reason winamp got world domination Mar 28 11:11:33 yeah, ten years ago :) Mar 28 11:11:41 still.. Mar 28 11:11:42 :) Mar 28 11:12:22 there is no alternative media player for maemo that doesn't piss me off Mar 28 11:12:30 true. Mar 28 11:13:01 xmms-mad Mar 28 11:13:03 mmmmm Mar 28 11:13:04 :) Mar 28 11:13:12 maybe this one won't suck all cpu Mar 28 11:14:25 pupnik: it's the same in hardware players. can't seem to find any decent ones at all Mar 28 11:14:51 * Jaffa likes MediaBox best of all; but it's still not quite right (and it's difficult to pin down what's wrong) Mar 28 11:15:12 pupnik: i need to investigate xmms double size barf Mar 28 11:15:23 wonder why it segfaults on that Mar 28 11:15:35 does it work in free's version? Mar 28 11:18:28 main window doublesizes with ctrl-d Mar 28 11:18:43 hmm Mar 28 11:18:53 but there's option in the window Mar 28 11:19:52 how do you right-click on xmms window? Mar 28 11:20:06 using my xkbd rmb hack Mar 28 11:20:07 :) Mar 28 11:20:17 ok.. i just use the shortcuts Mar 28 11:20:40 you can also click in the top left corner Mar 28 11:20:55 maybe your xkbd hack would be useful for some games Mar 28 11:21:03 pupnik: i told you Mar 28 11:21:04 :) Mar 28 11:21:05 or is it difficult Mar 28 11:21:39 it just remaps buttons 1--3 Mar 28 11:21:48 you can do it with xmodmap too Mar 28 11:21:55 or with xlib call Mar 28 11:22:25 hi Mar 28 11:24:26 how to make posible running executables from mmc in n800? Mar 28 11:24:37 reformat it to ext3 Mar 28 11:24:54 or hack mmc-mount script Mar 28 11:24:59 and remove noexec Mar 28 11:25:22 KotCzarny: thanks Mar 28 11:27:54 KotCzarny: does something like "sh /media/mmc1/binary" work? Mar 28 11:28:00 might just do the trick too :) Mar 28 11:28:06 nope Mar 28 11:28:11 you can't sh binary Mar 28 11:28:42 kk Mar 28 11:28:46 just wondered Mar 28 11:28:52 could as well have tried ;) Mar 28 11:29:05 * aquatix isn't as big a linux geek as he thought he was Mar 28 11:29:06 how about this: % /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /bin/ls Mar 28 11:29:29 lcdd try it with noexec dir Mar 28 11:29:29 :) Mar 28 11:29:37 can't test it myself.. ah okay Mar 28 11:30:59 I've a q: !ny encryption soft that is running on N? Mar 28 11:31:10 truecrypt Mar 28 11:31:10 disk encryption Mar 28 11:31:18 KotCzarny: linky? Mar 28 11:31:21 google Mar 28 11:31:30 there is a v. for N? Mar 28 11:31:35 probably Mar 28 11:31:44 it's gpl Mar 28 11:31:46 or do I have to build it myself? Mar 28 11:31:51 google Mar 28 11:32:10 dm-crypt would be nicer IMO, but :P Mar 28 11:32:17 not really Mar 28 11:32:26 true crypt is more portable Mar 28 11:32:34 ie. you can reuse crypted file/partition Mar 28 11:32:49 I know that Mar 28 11:33:02 dm-crypt is avail. for doze too Mar 28 11:33:09 FreeOTFE Mar 28 11:34:08 hmm, they only have a deb for ubuntu :P Mar 28 11:34:34 there is some build of 4.3a Mar 28 11:34:48 I'd like some newer Mar 28 11:35:10 5 has XTS mode Mar 28 11:37:04 Hmm. What does os2008 do if a card is encrypted? complain? Mar 28 11:37:53 it says it can't mount it Mar 28 11:37:59 or, do you need to waste space on a tiny non-encrypted partition that it can mount? Mar 28 11:38:36 that's perhaps a good workaround to have it not complain. Mar 28 11:38:38 usually no, just mount something under /media/mmc1 or 2 Mar 28 11:38:51 and provide fake hal data Mar 28 11:39:12 I think perhaps I want my external card encrypted. Mar 28 11:39:36 yeah dont want the nuke codes getting out :) Mar 28 11:40:09 and a nice button on the home screen that mounts/unmounts it and asks for your pass phrase. Mar 28 11:40:15 nuke codes? nah, more mundane docs Mar 28 11:40:25 the porn, of course. Mar 28 11:41:09 lol Mar 28 11:59:19 hmm Mar 28 11:59:42 libmad is old. Mar 28 11:59:45 on nokia Mar 28 12:02:00 ya Mar 28 12:02:13 rly Mar 28 12:02:21 build a high-precision integer version :P Mar 28 12:02:33 astorm: i'm trying to build xmms-mad Mar 28 12:02:50 heh, it's 0.14 afaicr Mar 28 12:02:54 should work Mar 28 12:03:12 yeah. but it's not on debian.org Mar 28 12:03:50 and i don't feel like upgrading libmad on nokia Mar 28 12:03:55 as it may break too much Mar 28 12:04:00 nah Mar 28 12:04:05 hi there Mar 28 12:04:12 is there a version of parted for OS2008 ? Mar 28 12:04:20 I want Genoo/arm Mar 28 12:04:26 I'd like to resize a fat partition non destructively... Mar 28 12:04:41 webustany: connect to pc Mar 28 12:04:42 webustany: dosfstools has a resizer Mar 28 12:04:47 then use parted on /dev/sda Mar 28 12:04:50 oh Mar 28 12:04:51 or whatever Mar 28 12:04:56 or what KotCzarny said Mar 28 12:04:56 nice Mar 28 12:05:07 webustany: ofc it resizes the fs Mar 28 12:05:13 yeah, but I don't have my cable with me right now :) Mar 28 12:05:17 you still have to change the pertition Mar 28 12:05:27 *partition Mar 28 12:05:33 hello xfade Mar 28 12:06:02 KotCzarny: what is tied to the binares on N810 now? Mar 28 12:06:10 ? Mar 28 12:06:26 i have heard there's a free wifi driver now Mar 28 12:06:35 link? Mar 28 12:06:51 http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/quetoo-repack/quetoo-r2r-0.5.0-6zs.chinook.deb Mar 28 12:06:55 google for cx3310? Mar 28 12:07:01 it is the second volume? Mar 28 12:07:10 astorm: afair it uses binary blob still Mar 28 12:07:19 firmware, yes Mar 28 12:07:27 no problem with that Mar 28 12:07:46 backlight control? Mar 28 12:07:47 and has quick and dirty wireless extension patch Mar 28 12:07:56 only for making wpa working Mar 28 12:08:00 barely Mar 28 12:08:08 astorm: power management Mar 28 12:08:12 AStorm: are you sure the stock dosfstools has a resizer ? Mar 28 12:08:15 hmm Mar 28 12:08:21 webustany: let me check Mar 28 12:08:30 AStorm, this may be useful: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Mar 28 12:08:31 I'm not suez Mar 28 12:08:34 *sure Mar 28 12:08:41 at least, not the version on my fedora Mar 28 12:09:04 my mistake, another pkg Mar 28 12:09:07 :) Mar 28 12:09:39 any hal gurus here? udevd sees my /dev/rfcomm0 but what I need to do in order to hal to see it also? Mar 28 12:09:42 well, I think I'll wait till I have my cable, and do that with parted from my pc Mar 28 12:10:09 rfcomm0 = wifi? Mar 28 12:10:13 no Mar 28 12:10:13 bt Mar 28 12:10:13 bluetooth Mar 28 12:10:50 mhm Mar 28 12:10:51 I want hal to see it so I can add some rules so that hal claims to upper levels that it's a modem (i.e. gprs/3g) Mar 28 12:12:39 KotCzarny: what specifically about power mgmt doesn't work? Mar 28 12:12:45 everything Mar 28 12:12:45 :) Mar 28 12:12:49 wifi power mgmt? Mar 28 12:12:58 arm clockstep should work Mar 28 12:13:12 probably Mar 28 12:13:40 KotCzarny: what power management are we talking about here? I'm interested too.. Mar 28 12:14:04 it's late here.. Mar 28 12:14:19 :P Mar 28 12:14:25 cpufreq seems to work, but iwconfig seems to be unable to set the poewr management for wlan. But there might be some ioctls to do the job Mar 28 12:14:28 13:14 here :P Mar 28 12:14:45 kulve: ah, not too important Mar 28 12:14:59 I'm not using that anyway Mar 28 12:15:34 what about special buttons? Mar 28 12:15:40 is that open now? Mar 28 12:15:48 wlan chip seems to be the number 1 heat source in the thing (at least to me it looks like cpu at 100% doesn't warm up as much as wlan at 100%) Mar 28 12:15:58 :P Mar 28 12:16:29 It's like a little hotpoint at the top of the device. Mar 28 12:16:39 "I don't know why and I'm not yet motivated to fix it since my views on esd are mostly unprintable." - Alan Cox Mar 28 12:17:20 pupnik: that's why there's pulseaudio now Mar 28 12:17:32 just a funny quote :) Mar 28 12:17:37 another audio system? Mar 28 12:17:39 doh Mar 28 12:17:54 compatible with esd Mar 28 12:18:04 /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libxmmsmad.so: undefined symbol: id3_tag_attachframe Mar 28 12:18:06 and much better Mar 28 12:18:07 i'll bite. Mar 28 12:18:11 someone. Mar 28 12:18:11 libid3 Mar 28 12:18:13 somewhere. Mar 28 12:18:14 :P Mar 28 12:18:15 no. Mar 28 12:18:24 it's another lib Mar 28 12:18:27 changed in debian Mar 28 12:18:29 harhar :P Mar 28 12:18:31 at some point Mar 28 12:18:35 'free' said libmad was problematic for n800 - but he has a plugin built Mar 28 12:18:51 lol http://us.tabletrepo.com/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/Canola/ Mar 28 12:18:54 pupnik: do you have link handy? Mar 28 12:18:56 u can try it Mar 28 12:19:37 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&highlight=xmms Mar 28 12:23:29 no sources :/ Mar 28 12:24:28 hmm Mar 28 12:24:33 i think i made the same mistake Mar 28 12:24:34 lol Mar 28 12:28:28 i have to rename /scratchbox/tools/bin/gtk-config to something else to build these old gtk things Mar 28 12:28:39 so it finds /usr/bin/gtk-config Mar 28 12:28:48 pupnik: i didn't have to Mar 28 12:28:49 no idea why your mp3 consumes cpu Mar 28 12:29:11 lol? Mar 28 12:29:16 just symlink it Mar 28 12:29:20 no need to rename O_o Mar 28 12:29:32 navi: you don't know what the problem is Mar 28 12:29:33 if you swap his mp3 input plugin with yours you might find out more KotCzarny Mar 28 12:29:49 maybe Mar 28 12:30:00 i'll try xmms-mad first Mar 28 12:31:36 hmm Mar 28 12:31:53 what could be breaking my clicks on the touchscreen? Mar 28 12:32:03 actually, drags Mar 28 12:32:23 static electricity Mar 28 12:32:24 ;) Mar 28 12:32:33 lol Mar 28 12:32:59 hmm, no Mar 28 12:33:01 clicker :P Mar 28 12:33:11 using a stylus Mar 28 12:33:28 uneven pressure? Mar 28 12:33:31 dirt? Mar 28 12:33:42 in maemopad+ it loooks like something is clicking the left top corner Mar 28 12:33:51 ah, yes Mar 28 12:33:52 what could it be? Mar 28 12:33:56 i have observed it too Mar 28 12:34:06 most often then i try to run control panel from menu Mar 28 12:34:34 it looks like it reads position as 0,0 Mar 28 12:34:40 for some reason Mar 28 12:34:47 hmm Mar 28 12:34:58 so, driver or screen error? Mar 28 12:35:03 screen Mar 28 12:35:07 hm Mar 28 12:35:11 and driver a little too Mar 28 12:35:19 for not filtering those spikes out Mar 28 12:36:12 harhar Mar 28 12:36:24 i's normal wacom, right? Mar 28 12:36:33 *it's Mar 28 12:36:57 don't remember Mar 28 12:36:58 :) Mar 28 12:37:03 then I could fix that, add locking drags i.e. Mar 28 12:37:17 just add a filter Mar 28 12:37:23 heh Mar 28 12:37:31 ie. no taps on 0,0 Mar 28 12:37:36 nah Mar 28 12:37:46 but that could work Mar 28 12:38:04 more like: accept taps every 10ms in proximoty of orig. tap point Mar 28 12:38:15 and other every 200 ms Mar 28 12:38:29 more like no taps with x=0 Mar 28 12:38:33 can anybody tell me,how one can know some one is online. Mar 28 12:38:37 should fix drags Mar 28 12:38:44 opendeep: ping? Mar 28 12:39:02 check their AOL status? Mar 28 12:39:04 :p Mar 28 12:39:05 Ha Mar 28 12:39:11 Call them on the phone and ask them? Mar 28 12:39:18 that works too Mar 28 12:39:54 opendeep, who are you looking for, anyway? Mar 28 12:40:45 installing trojan on theirs comp could work too Mar 28 12:41:16 hehe Mar 28 12:41:34 ping too, if you know the ip Mar 28 12:41:38 or port scan Mar 28 12:42:36 haaah. Mar 28 12:42:38 WORKS. Mar 28 12:42:54 blah, xmms 1 is the junk Mar 28 12:42:55 cpu usage: 20% Mar 28 12:43:11 you can say what you want. Mar 28 12:43:12 now, build me quodlibet Mar 28 12:43:16 :P Mar 28 12:43:17 i'm uninstalling everything else Mar 28 12:43:23 (leaving only mplayer) Mar 28 12:43:24 :) Mar 28 12:43:38 canola is better Mar 28 12:43:43 :P Mar 28 12:43:56 (except it doesn't recognize vorbis) Mar 28 12:44:15 canola wouldn't suck if it had option to browse/play simple dirs Mar 28 12:44:25 it has that Mar 28 12:44:40 if they're added to media lib Mar 28 12:44:42 :P Mar 28 12:44:59 and you can hack it anyway Mar 28 12:45:11 hmm Mar 28 12:45:24 libmad refuses to use xmms' equalizer Mar 28 12:45:27 oh, well Mar 28 12:46:15 ok, so I managed to get xerces-c and commonc++2 running in scratchbox Mar 28 12:46:27 how would I go about to put them in my n8x0 now ? Mar 28 12:46:34 2 ways Mar 28 12:46:39 proper and hackish Mar 28 12:46:48 got links for proper ? Mar 28 12:46:48 proper will be packaging it in a .deb Mar 28 12:46:59 working one is proper Mar 28 12:47:20 I'll take proper, I have to distribute it on 3 different devices Mar 28 12:47:28 got links ? Mar 28 12:47:53 google for debian packaging howto Mar 28 12:48:02 already on it Mar 28 12:48:06 KotCzarny: if you want to build libspc spc player i found a fix for the link stage Mar 28 12:48:24 pupnik: xmms-mad uses 20% cpu Mar 28 12:48:38 that's mad! Mar 28 12:48:38 libtool link for spcplay needs added -lstdc++ flag Mar 28 12:48:49 but it's not running yet Mar 28 12:48:57 KotCzarny: it means non-integer mad Mar 28 12:49:15 astorm: maybe, i just wanted to test it Mar 28 12:50:13 i'm on a roll, xmms-musepack next! Mar 28 12:50:14 :) Mar 28 12:50:14 20% isn't great but not terrible i guess Mar 28 12:50:21 heh Mar 28 12:50:23 hehe Mar 28 12:50:33 pupnik: it means built in mp3 decoder was acting up Mar 28 12:50:36 Morning. Mar 28 12:50:37 now, build me a gstreamer plugin Mar 28 12:50:57 astorm: you don't like xmms :) Mar 28 12:51:03 ya Mar 28 12:51:04 * pupnik is failing getting the chrono trigger music playing Mar 28 12:51:11 xmms1 to be exact Mar 28 12:51:27 quodlibet fwit Mar 28 12:51:27 pupnik: i have chrono cross ost in mp3 Mar 28 12:51:30 mmm :) Mar 28 12:51:40 I need proper video playback too Mar 28 12:51:56 mplayer frontend is sucky Mar 28 12:52:02 mpd is nice Mar 28 12:52:05 there was xmms-mplayer Mar 28 12:52:06 with sonata gui Mar 28 12:52:06 afair Mar 28 12:52:08 :) Mar 28 12:52:13 KotCzarny: fail! Mar 28 12:52:34 AStorm: ah, and `fwit' means what? ;) Mar 28 12:52:54 for the worth of it Mar 28 12:53:14 grmbl, i added a transport to a jabber account, removed it and now it's still there, logging me in but i can't remove it :/ Mar 28 12:53:22 weird stuff Mar 28 12:53:27 AStorm: ah, k Mar 28 12:55:46 KotCzarny: there's the bin plus source of the (not yet working) player http://pupnik.de/spcxmms-0.2.1_maemo.tgz Mar 28 12:55:51 :P Mar 28 12:56:14 :) Mar 28 12:56:26 won't even show up in xmms input plugin list Mar 28 12:56:32 lol Mar 28 13:03:25 LOL Mar 28 13:03:44 setting vis refresh to 7fps (even if not in use) dropped cpu usage to 15% Mar 28 13:04:32 you get cpu load when not playing ? Mar 28 13:04:38 playing Mar 28 13:04:39 fff.... ail! Mar 28 13:04:42 but with vis off Mar 28 13:04:49 that's xmms1 code quality Mar 28 13:04:50 :P Mar 28 13:05:04 astorm: stop bitching, start packaging/compiling/coding Mar 28 13:05:05 :) Mar 28 13:05:21 i don't Mar 28 13:05:32 KotCzarny: fix my vm first! Mar 28 13:05:44 i offered you help Mar 28 13:05:46 you refused Mar 28 13:05:49 :) Mar 28 13:05:51 nah Mar 28 13:06:02 I could give you my root Mar 28 13:06:07 too late Mar 28 13:06:08 :) Mar 28 13:06:10 after sanitizing the machine Mar 28 13:06:22 btw. it's not vis refresh Mar 28 13:06:23 wait a fe moments Mar 28 13:06:34 i probably have turned dithering off in xmms-mad Mar 28 13:06:35 :) Mar 28 13:07:21 good morning Mar 28 13:07:27 fail == true Mar 28 13:07:32 hello Mar 28 13:07:59 ok Mar 28 13:08:11 KotCzarny: how to build the sbox2? Mar 28 13:08:16 don't know Mar 28 13:08:20 i'm happy with sb1 Mar 28 13:08:22 :) Mar 28 13:08:41 mhm Mar 28 13:08:50 so, how to build that one? Mar 28 13:09:09 probably using good howto Mar 28 13:09:37 gimme link:P Mar 28 13:09:52 maemo.org Mar 28 13:09:53 :P Mar 28 13:10:46 good one, please Mar 28 13:10:57 it's late here Mar 28 13:10:57 and I'm taking build = compile Mar 28 13:11:03 don't ask me tricky questions Mar 28 13:11:26 :P Mar 28 13:17:28 pupnik: i think free's version has some problems with bundled mp3 plugin too Mar 28 13:17:40 because they switched to xmms-mad Mar 28 13:17:49 'Yes I tried the mad plugin. Works smoothly I compared with and without it running and it did seem to make it sound better. No hiccups. Not much to report in that, well, it works. Mar 28 13:18:08 that means default plugin took ~100% cpu Mar 28 13:19:29 err Mar 28 13:19:37 no pthreads on armel ? Mar 28 13:19:47 threads, yes, probably Mar 28 13:19:54 ls -l /lib/*thread* Mar 28 13:19:54 and posix ? Mar 28 13:20:05 ITT struggling for anyone else? Mar 28 13:20:08 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77880 Sep 7 2007 /lib/libpthread-2.5.so Mar 28 13:20:21 what are you testing? Mar 28 13:20:23 Xmms? Mar 28 13:20:26 yup Mar 28 13:20:40 Plenty fast here, Jaffa. Mar 28 13:21:08 libcommoncpp2-1.6.1/src/thread.cpp:150: undefined reference to `pthread_kill` Mar 28 13:21:13 got like a thousand of those Mar 28 13:21:26 bad link line? Mar 28 13:21:26 GeneralAntilles: I'll blame our corporate proxy then Mar 28 13:21:35 check if -lpthread is present? Mar 28 13:22:03 ya, missing link Mar 28 13:22:23 btw, once I have armel toolchain, what do I need? Mar 28 13:22:32 some weird v. of qemu? Mar 28 13:22:37 http://slexy.org/views/s22cXTeMz4 Mar 28 13:22:53 (problem is, qemu doesn't build here too, same error) Mar 28 13:23:07 -pthread is there alright Mar 28 13:23:11 * KotCzarny thinks it's late Mar 28 13:23:42 you still need -lpthread Mar 28 13:24:08 oooh Mar 28 13:24:11 :) Mar 28 13:24:20 how come it compiled fine on x86 then ? Mar 28 13:24:24 howdy, anyone awake? i just got my N810 in the mail yesterday and was going to reflash to latest firmware but when i go into control panel/about product it says: version and when i try to flash it syas: Version of 'sw-release': Mar 28 13:24:26 any suggestions? Mar 28 13:24:30 what's the difference between -pthread and -lpthread ? Mar 28 13:24:39 Ignore it, dmz. Mar 28 13:24:41 Not important Mar 28 13:24:41 -l mean link that lib Mar 28 13:24:57 -pthread probably means yes, we have phtreads Mar 28 13:25:01 probably Mar 28 13:25:05 i can't ignore it Mar 28 13:25:07 *means Mar 28 13:25:10 Why? Mar 28 13:25:12 when i run flash it drops out of flasher & won't flash Mar 28 13:25:19 it says "sw-release: then drops out Mar 28 13:25:20 You running it correctly? Mar 28 13:25:25 dmz: use fanoush flasher and force flash Mar 28 13:25:27 isn't this something like static vs dynamic linking ? Mar 28 13:25:28 i've reflashed my 770, 800 fine Mar 28 13:25:40 ./flasher -f -R Mar 28 13:25:44 unless you're doing something stupid Mar 28 13:25:45 :) Mar 28 13:25:45 hum... Mar 28 13:25:47 That's incorrect Mar 28 13:25:49 ok Mar 28 13:25:59 -F -f -R Mar 28 13:26:01 is what you want Mar 28 13:26:10 It's not doing anything because you didn't give it anything to do. :P Mar 28 13:26:11 crashanddie: -lsomething is dynamic, /usr/local/lib/libsomething.a is static Mar 28 13:26:19 ah Mar 28 13:26:20 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux?highlight=%2528CategoryFlashing%2529#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8 Mar 28 13:26:24 KotCzarny: wrong :P Mar 28 13:26:24 that has the wrong info then :) Mar 28 13:26:33 astorm: which one? Mar 28 13:26:37 it depends on whethet -static is given Mar 28 13:26:40 Uh, no it doesn't. Mar 28 13:26:42 astorm: wrong. Mar 28 13:26:47 :P Mar 28 13:26:49 it does Mar 28 13:26:52 ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Mar 28 13:27:04 when you put .a on the link line it means 'this one goes into it. no other way.' Mar 28 13:27:13 -l means link using default strategy Mar 28 13:27:13 No talking to you, AStorm. :P Mar 28 13:27:29 so, with -l... -static links statiocally Mar 28 13:27:33 KotCzarny, k Mar 28 13:27:36 danka :) Mar 28 13:27:38 is serial console possible somehow on the n800 ? Mar 28 13:27:39 astorm: you want some libs static sometimes Mar 28 13:27:46 while leaving rest dynamic Mar 28 13:27:54 If you put together a JTAG cable. Mar 28 13:27:55 looks like it flashed ok Mar 28 13:27:56 thanks Mar 28 13:28:03 * dmz needs more sleep Mar 28 13:28:06 KotCzarny: then use ld 2 times Mar 28 13:28:12 pf. Mar 28 13:28:13 :) Mar 28 13:28:24 btw the 810 is pretty nice so far, too bad they can't load on the ram though Mar 28 13:28:31 astorm: it's late Mar 28 13:28:50 dmz: ram is scarce Mar 28 13:28:59 128mb is not enough sometimes Mar 28 13:29:05 Load on the RAM? Mar 28 13:29:50 dmz: also it's nearly regular linux. Mar 28 13:29:55 you can make it do what you want Mar 28 13:30:01 even loading to ram Mar 28 13:30:02 :) Mar 28 13:30:15 it only takes some linux knowledge Mar 28 13:30:27 s/some/major/ Mar 28 13:30:36 and messing with the flasher Mar 28 13:30:36 :) Mar 28 13:30:46 KotCzarny yeah i'm an old debian developer so it's nice to have Mar 28 13:30:49 i prefer mtdtools Mar 28 13:31:13 it would be nice to have at least 512M ram; oh well still cheaper than my old oqo sitting on the shelf Mar 28 13:31:15 dmz: then you shouldn't have a problem preparing rootfs that will load to ram Mar 28 13:31:16 :) Mar 28 13:31:28 n800 ftw! Mar 28 13:31:29 :) Mar 28 13:31:41 n810 ftw! Mar 28 13:31:43 ;) Mar 28 13:31:44 and no battery life. <_< Mar 28 13:31:47 n8x0 ftw! Mar 28 13:31:56 RAM is expensive energy wise. Mar 28 13:33:04 nah Mar 28 13:33:09 wifi is Mar 28 13:34:59 i'd be happy losing an hour of battery to have more ram Mar 28 13:35:14 dmz: swapon Mar 28 13:35:15 ;) Mar 28 13:35:16 more like 30s Mar 28 13:35:21 egad swap no Mar 28 13:35:25 swap is slow Mar 28 13:35:43 still, cheap virtual memory Mar 28 13:35:44 :) Mar 28 13:35:51 where would I add this -lpthread when trying to create the .deb ? I've looked into debian/rules and tried to add it to the ./configure line in the LDFLAGS, but when I do, it says the compiler can't create executables... Mar 28 13:35:52 I'd switch the ram chip, but it's BGA Mar 28 13:35:57 hard to do Mar 28 13:36:02 cost isn't the issue :) Mar 28 13:36:27 wow backup/reflash/restore actually works Mar 28 13:36:37 don't depend on it.. Mar 28 13:36:38 crashanddie: foo, ion ldflags Mar 28 13:36:47 LDFLAGS Mar 28 13:36:54 i won't but it's nice to have it get the basic app list & wifi confgs back Mar 28 13:37:00 AStorm, eh ? Mar 28 13:37:11 crashanddie: environment var Mar 28 13:37:37 Ugh, losing an hour is a LOT. Mar 28 13:37:44 It's a mobile device Mar 28 13:37:45 not a laptop Mar 28 13:37:52 GeneralAntilles: more like 30s Mar 28 13:37:53 Battery life is incredibly important. Mar 28 13:38:10 For a 4x increase in RAM? Mar 28 13:38:11 * Jaffa agrees. Already it's too variable Mar 28 13:38:12 Unlikely. Mar 28 13:38:13 it doesn't eat that much more current Mar 28 13:38:18 external batteries are cheap Mar 28 13:38:18 AStorm, not in ./configure line then ? Mar 28 13:38:28 crashanddie: yup Mar 28 13:38:46 but you have to rerun configure after setting the var Mar 28 13:38:56 I'd go for a few more mm of thickness for more battery life. Mar 28 13:39:12 GeneralAntilles: build an ext. battery? :P Mar 28 13:39:13 something ate my ram. Mar 28 13:39:22 Ugly and unworkable. Mar 28 13:39:30 I will clone my n800 today Mar 28 13:39:31 lol Mar 28 13:39:31 (stupid maemo-launcher) Mar 28 13:39:33 KotCzarny, maybe its your cat? Mar 28 13:39:44 GeneralAntilles: only 5V Mar 28 13:39:54 you could use NiMH Mar 28 13:40:00 :P Mar 28 13:40:11 3x Mar 28 13:40:20 nah, 4x Mar 28 13:40:25 It's ugly and unworkable and not a real solution. ;) Mar 28 13:40:30 :P Mar 28 13:40:45 Plus, 4 AA-cells isn't a "few mm" Mar 28 13:40:57 hard to get the tiny 5V plug Mar 28 13:41:06 GeneralAntilles: AAA Mar 28 13:41:14 Still not a few mm. Mar 28 13:41:23 5 mm tbh Mar 28 13:41:32 "few" is at most 3. Mar 28 13:41:39 Dammit. It cannot be so hard to get one or two chapters from this DVD to my Nokia, without searching tools for days, ripping for hours, reencoding for a week again - just to watch 80min on the road. Mar 28 13:41:50 Handbrake Mar 28 13:41:54 Pick the chapters you want Mar 28 13:41:55 Blafasel: use mplayer Mar 28 13:41:56 rip away Mar 28 13:42:12 anyone has musepack samples handy? Mar 28 13:42:19 GeneralAntilles: "Protected" DVD.. Mar 28 13:42:28 Blafasel: use mplayer Mar 28 13:42:28 AStorm: mplayer can rip/reencode? Mar 28 13:42:29 :) Mar 28 13:42:33 That's what ripping software is for. Mar 28 13:42:37 or mencoder Mar 28 13:42:39 Blafasel: doesn't need to Mar 28 13:42:41 Hmm.. Have to check that. Mar 28 13:42:45 I'd assumed you'd already extracted the VIDEO_TS Mar 28 13:42:49 hehe Mar 28 13:43:12 yay, arm cross gcc built fine Mar 28 13:43:12 AStorm, AAA is 10.5mm in diameter. <_< Mar 28 13:43:26 now I need some part of debian Mar 28 13:43:48 9.5, right Mar 28 13:44:15 who will build me working qemu or say how sbrsh works on N810? Mar 28 13:44:51 GeneralAntilles: I have an extracted VIDEO_TS version as well. Just giving handbrake a try Mar 28 13:45:34 Blafasel: mencoder can rip and encode in one go.. Mar 28 13:45:45 yup Mar 28 13:45:47 without extracting step separate Mar 28 13:46:38 qemu needs gcc 3.X, right? Mar 28 13:47:05 even w/ that one I get inval. insn Mar 28 13:47:10 KotCzarny: Linux though? Might try that at home then. Mar 28 13:47:17 what might be broken? Mar 28 13:47:24 But this is an emergency at work, need something for the train soon ;) Mar 28 13:47:24 which lib? Mar 28 13:47:24 mplayer is available for windows too Mar 28 13:47:37 mencoder too Mar 28 13:47:52 Ah, nice to know. Will check that as well. Mar 28 13:47:52 (same package) Mar 28 13:48:18 GeneralAntilles: Any quality preference that I should set at handbrake? Can I use the ipod/psp profile or something? Mar 28 13:48:40 No Mar 28 13:48:46 None of the presets are any good. Mar 28 13:49:25 *sigh* I somehow expected that. Any hints for something that works somewhat? I can experiment on the weekend, but I'd like to have anything useable for tonight.. ;) Mar 28 13:49:40 Something like 400-532px horizontal Mar 28 13:49:49 Bitrate at 1000 should be good Mar 28 13:49:56 Same-as-source FPS Mar 28 13:50:21 AVI wrapper with MPEG-4/MP3 Mar 28 13:51:52 Horizontal resolution is kinda dependent on action-level Mar 28 13:52:05 High action stuff drop the resolution a bit Mar 28 13:52:15 Sedate stuff you can get more quality out of without framedrop issues. Mar 28 13:52:50 i like sedate stuff Mar 28 13:53:06 Framedrop shouldn't be particularly noticeable with any action level at that resolution. Mar 28 13:53:10 umkay Mar 28 13:53:12 First I need to find out how to set the size at all.. Always gives me "red" background Mar 28 13:53:13 mpc plays Mar 28 13:53:18 cpu usage 73% Mar 28 13:53:20 :> Mar 28 13:53:20 musepack? Mar 28 13:53:23 yup Mar 28 13:53:24 AStorm, adding -lpthread to LDFLAGS didn't do squat Mar 28 13:53:31 boohoo Mar 28 13:54:03 then add -Wl,lpthread there Mar 28 13:54:11 or to CFLAGS Mar 28 13:54:25 As an example, I watched a couple episodes of Lexx last night encoded at 576x432 @ 1100Kbps with just a bit of framedrop during the really high action stuff. Mar 28 13:54:35 uhm Mar 28 13:54:38 (maybe 3-4 30s sections for an episode) Mar 28 13:54:40 then add -Wl,-lpthread there Mar 28 13:55:32 pupnik: but enabling eq overkills cpu Mar 28 13:55:33 :> Mar 28 13:55:47 last i recall there are two kinds of eq Mar 28 13:56:01 one which does FFT on the audio, the other which varies frequency bands in the mp3/ogg Mar 28 13:56:07 the latter costs almost no cpu Mar 28 13:56:13 yup Mar 28 13:56:40 having ffttask would rock Mar 28 13:56:40 btw... eq... dsp... Mar 28 13:56:41 :) Mar 28 13:56:45 hehe Mar 28 13:56:45 except doesn't work with xmms-mad Mar 28 13:57:18 |> 01 - Right Here, Right Now.mpc Mar 28 13:57:53 let's see what next Mar 28 13:58:41 xmms-midi? Mar 28 13:58:42 :> Mar 28 13:58:43 Okay, trying 576x432, bitrate 1000 - this is Battlestar Galactica. Let's see if this works. The ETA (1h) is fine at least. Mar 28 13:59:10 i'll look at the adplug KotCzarny Mar 28 13:59:44 i'll prefer timidity for that Mar 28 14:00:19 I would go for a lot lower than 576 horizontal Mar 28 14:00:23 That was mostly an example Mar 28 14:00:27 You WILL be getting framedrop Mar 28 14:00:37 and probably a fair bit of it with Battlestar Mar 28 14:01:15 Blafasel: it's a dvd.. why not proper wide screen? Mar 28 14:01:15 :> Mar 28 14:01:52 KotCzarny: Because I'm clueless? Mar 28 14:01:58 pupnik: mpcdec is a little unstable Mar 28 14:02:03 blafasel: ok Mar 28 14:02:10 for a first time anything will do Mar 28 14:02:11 :) Mar 28 14:02:11 KotCzarny: Help me out, enlighten me ;) Mar 28 14:02:32 blafasel: it's a little late here, i'm one leg in a bed ;) Mar 28 14:02:37 yeah.. flac mpc etc is pretty big though - better for N800 owners Mar 28 14:03:07 * KotCzarny has n800 Mar 28 14:03:09 :) Mar 28 14:03:32 KotCzarny: we're aware ;) Mar 28 14:03:33 oh, btw. some of my packages pickup optimization flags Mar 28 14:04:06 so may be incompatible with 770 Mar 28 14:04:55 KotCzarny: Okay, thanks anyway ;) Mar 28 14:05:22 GeneralAntilles: I'll reduce it. Thanks for the help Mar 28 14:05:44 Sure Mar 28 14:05:58 There's a lot of feel involved in picking good settings Mar 28 14:06:03 and it depends a lot on the source content. Mar 28 14:06:36 The "sure thing" settings are 400x240 (whichever dimension hits an edge first—320x240 for 4:3) at around 800-1400Kbps Mar 28 14:06:40 Wont get framedrop with that Mar 28 14:06:46 but it's a fairly large quality compromise. Mar 28 14:08:11 I keep holding the home/swap key and it won't boot into usb mode. Or does it do so after it goes to the desktop? Mar 28 14:08:13 app manager is rendered useless by a package with version string 43 bytes long Mar 28 14:08:38 only in red pill mode though Mar 28 14:09:11 libmp4v2-dev from maemo extras Mar 28 14:09:56 pupnik: you were talking about openspc ? Mar 28 14:11:13 Zetx, did you plug the USB in Mar 28 14:11:19 Did you leave the charger in? Mar 28 14:11:35 i left the charger in. trying w/out now Mar 28 14:11:44 It doesn't shut down with the charger in. Mar 28 14:12:38 hm. still doesn't without the charger in.. but the home key works otherwise Mar 28 14:13:21 KotCzarny: openspc seems to require x86 asm Mar 28 14:13:35 hum Mar 28 14:13:56 nasm_0.98.38-1.2_arm.deb Mar 28 14:13:58 so i tried http://pupnik.de/spcxmms-0.2.1_maemo.tgz Mar 28 14:14:08 GeneralAntilles: btw, did you get a chance to test v2.18-svn of tablet-encode? Mar 28 14:14:08 but i think it's for crosscompiling Mar 28 14:14:37 Haven't gotten around to it yet. Mar 28 14:14:38 Linky? Mar 28 14:14:40 damnit Mar 28 14:14:48 I tried to create a .deb Mar 28 14:14:53 Zetx, did you plug in the USB cable? Mar 28 14:15:13 KotCzarny: SNESAmp also seemsm to require x86 asm Mar 28 14:15:16 how do I run that vmware image? Mar 28 14:15:21 A. the charger has to be out B. It has to be off C. the USB cable has to be plugged in and D. You have to hold down the swap key while you're powering it on. Mar 28 14:15:25 now my vmware works Mar 28 14:15:26 no ... i totally missed that Mar 28 14:15:28 and now when I try to install it on a n810 I get "Status: Not installable" Mar 28 14:15:36 but it says the disk is in wrong format Mar 28 14:15:47 i'm an idiot >_> Mar 28 14:15:51 should be vmdk Mar 28 14:15:54 is vmsd Mar 28 14:16:22 Could this be because my scratchbox environment is too old ? I installed a month or two ago, updated to the latest OS2008 image about 2 weeks ago Mar 28 14:16:24 ah, PEBKAC Mar 28 14:16:37 crashanddie: use Section: user/something Mar 28 14:16:42 or enable redpill mode Mar 28 14:17:14 it's booting... Mar 28 14:17:25 KotCzarny, I'm in dev mode on the n810 Mar 28 14:17:37 r&d that is Mar 28 14:17:48 redpill is something else i think Mar 28 14:17:58 but i may be wrong Mar 28 14:18:07 doesn't want to switch to fullscreen, but works :P Mar 28 14:20:02 ok, what was the magic key to escape vmware? Mar 28 14:20:08 :> Mar 28 14:21:19 AStorm: ctrl+alt ? Mar 28 14:21:29 same as qemu Mar 28 14:21:33 blah :P Mar 28 14:21:58 * aquatix needs more chocolate and coffee Mar 28 14:22:05 still haven't finished all the darn eastereggs Mar 28 14:22:11 how can I check the version of scratchbox ? Mar 28 14:22:21 I mean like, what it's compiling for Mar 28 14:22:28 gcc -v ? Mar 28 14:23:09 KotCzarny, do you even vaguely understand what I'm talking about ? Mar 28 14:23:18 I mean like, what it's compiling for Mar 28 14:23:23 is it possible to listen only sound in youtube on n8xx? Mar 28 14:23:33 sb sets different gccs for different targets Mar 28 14:25:31 hm, have to set lower res there :P Mar 28 14:26:27 ok, now full screen worked :) Mar 28 14:27:17 the penguin distracts me :P Mar 28 14:31:36 i see some BT dongles with "vista compatible" on them... does that mean plug and plug? Mar 28 14:34:48 lol, maybe Mar 28 14:35:08 ok then, I've to make that scratchbox more real Mar 28 14:36:58 why would I get "Incompatible application package" from a .deb I just created ? Mar 28 14:37:29 you need to change the 'section' Mar 28 14:37:58 e.g. change Section: games to Section user/games Mar 28 14:38:11 in debian/control Mar 28 14:38:21 Hmm.. Transfering files via bluetooth just doesn't seem to work here. Annoying. Mar 28 14:38:22 oh right, thanks Mar 28 14:38:38 Blafasel, did you install OpenSSH? Mar 28 14:38:50 Yes Mar 28 14:39:01 Then use an STFP client Mar 28 14:39:04 Way faster than Bluetooth Mar 28 14:39:11 lol: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11909 Mar 28 14:39:25 i want to shove a BT gps into one of those Mar 28 14:39:29 But no wlan here and (funny that you mention it) I never got a ad-hoc network working either.. =/ Mar 28 14:39:46 No WLAN? <_< Mar 28 14:39:48 USB? Mar 28 14:39:50 Card reader? Mar 28 14:40:40 USB: Cable at home. ;) My luck. Card reader: Sure, but it doesn't support the format (and I've no adapter). Whatever it is, mini or micro, it only supports the bigger one. So - what about bluetooth? ;) Mar 28 14:42:17 pupnik, what should the section be for a system library ? Mar 28 14:42:30 user/other ? Mar 28 14:42:50 not sure offhand Mar 28 14:43:06 Blafasel: buy a set of adapters Mar 28 14:43:18 card reader works best :P Mar 28 14:43:32 lol Mar 28 14:43:36 sox-effect works Mar 28 14:43:37 :> Mar 28 14:43:59 KotCzarny: I'm dling chinook for the iNdT Mar 28 14:44:01 :P Mar 28 14:44:13 what's indt? Mar 28 14:44:18 crashanddie: do an apt-cache show for existing system library packages -- libncurses5 has Section: base Mar 28 14:44:19 Hi, can anyone tell me if $ cat /dev/input/* shows anything when they push the power or 'lock input' button? Mar 28 14:44:22 that vmware distro Mar 28 14:44:40 from Institute Nokia de Technologia Mar 28 14:44:46 :P Mar 28 14:44:58 *Instituto Mar 28 14:45:07 AStorm: Already wasted my lunch break and a fair amount of cash on good headphones (since I forgot mine, albeit cheap anyway) as well. Damn. This feels like monday, not friday Mar 28 14:45:08 and tecnologia :-) without h Mar 28 14:45:23 kenne, yup Mar 28 14:45:24 :P Mar 28 14:45:36 pupnik: wanna check out sox-effect? Mar 28 14:45:37 not my language Mar 28 14:45:45 sids play veeeery nice with it Mar 28 14:45:46 :> Mar 28 14:45:56 yes pleese! Mar 28 14:46:08 you know the link Mar 28 14:46:09 :) Mar 28 14:46:17 refreshing Mar 28 14:46:22 it's in dist/xmms Mar 28 14:46:31 no deb, only .so Mar 28 14:47:25 i like flanger/phaser, *pass and reverb Mar 28 14:47:31 does xmms-midi do anything yet? Mar 28 14:47:41 pupnik: nope, i have to look it up Mar 28 14:47:44 it seems to play Mar 28 14:47:46 but no sound Mar 28 14:47:52 oki Mar 28 14:47:55 maybe just incompatible timidity Mar 28 14:48:05 pupnik, yeah, I tried user/other but that's a no go so to see Mar 28 14:49:48 awesome thanks KotCzarny - the sox FX will be very nice for the chiptunes especially Mar 28 14:49:50 hmm, anyone else found powerlaunch breaks the power button and screen lock? Mar 28 14:49:53 :) Mar 28 14:49:56 yeah Mar 28 14:49:58 reverb Mar 28 14:50:00 baby Mar 28 14:50:33 Daviey, you using an old version? Mar 28 14:50:44 baby! Mar 28 14:51:08 GeneralAntilles: 0.7 Mar 28 14:51:11 There was a timing issue with an older version that could mess up the softpoweroff state. Mar 28 14:51:18 I assume it's been fixed. Mar 28 14:51:26 Haven't bothered to check in months, though. Mar 28 14:51:35 ook sox verrry fun Mar 28 14:51:43 ;) Mar 28 14:51:59 now, how do I install/build stuff in there? :P Mar 28 14:51:59 GeneralAntilles: Doesn't seem to add anything to the menu either :/ Mar 28 14:52:13 Application Menu? It shouldn't. Mar 28 14:52:14 astorm: two commands Mar 28 14:52:15 KotCzarny: so only one sox effect is active at once: the one hilighted in the tab, correct? Mar 28 14:52:16 That's not its purpose. Mar 28 14:52:25 dpkg-source -x some-package.dsc Mar 28 14:52:29 mhm Mar 28 14:52:31 cd some-package Mar 28 14:52:38 fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage Mar 28 14:52:39 arg, I ordered a micro-sd rather than a mini-sd; school boy error Mar 28 14:52:42 and you're done Mar 28 14:52:50 pupnik: yes Mar 28 14:52:50 but then, the problem is I don't have anything in? Mar 28 14:52:54 lardman: didn't you get an adapter? Mar 28 14:52:54 any repo? Mar 28 14:53:06 astor: you can use wget Mar 28 14:53:07 LoCusF: to full SD, but not much use for the n810 Mar 28 14:53:12 or add debian source repos Mar 28 14:53:13 ;) Mar 28 14:53:14 lardman: heheheh true Mar 28 14:53:38 LoCusF: have just ordered a micro->mini adaptor; at least I'll be future proof, probably Mar 28 14:54:26 Hmm.. Good news is that the first 13mb that made it via bluetooth run fine Mar 28 14:54:38 Bad news is that this took about 30 minutes to copy.. Mar 28 14:54:56 BT is limited to about 100-120KB/sec for those file transfers. Mar 28 14:56:16 Are you sure? That sounds like much more than I got here. Well - will try the ad-hoc stuff again as soon as the last chapter is encoded. Mar 28 14:56:22 argh @ debian Mar 28 14:57:19 pupnik: hmm, that midi plugin is old. Mar 28 14:57:27 KotCzarny: has problems connecting for some reason Mar 28 14:57:28 it doesn't understand sf2 Mar 28 14:58:01 asterm: cat /etc/resolv.conf ? Mar 28 14:58:04 in sbox Mar 28 14:58:25 may be vmware fun too Mar 28 14:58:33 hmm Mar 28 14:58:40 as i said i'm using qemu in slackware Mar 28 14:58:46 works in vmware Mar 28 14:58:53 i can browse web just fine Mar 28 14:59:01 astorm: but sbox is chrooted Mar 28 14:59:08 in sbox the resolv is ok too Mar 28 14:59:14 ping ? Mar 28 14:59:42 ah, no, it was borked Mar 28 15:00:04 :) Mar 28 15:01:19 blah Mar 28 15:01:26 now the clock is Mar 28 15:01:38 have to reboot or no sudo for 30 min Mar 28 15:01:44 lol Mar 28 15:05:16 GeneralAntilles: sorry, delayed response: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/tablet-encode/tablet-encode?root=mediautils&rev=69 Mar 28 15:05:24 Yeah, I got it. ;) Mar 28 15:05:28 Testing now. Mar 28 15:07:13 :) Mar 28 15:10:20 hmm, how can I list avail. pkgs using plain apt? (sorry for newbness) Mar 28 15:10:38 apt-cache search * ? Mar 28 15:12:31 Ok, the package I made is still uninstallable... in the package manager, the Category displays: "libs", I don't know if that's good... Mar 28 15:13:05 apt-cache pkgnames? Mar 28 15:14:33 crashanddie, what does "dpkg -I file.deb | grep Section" say about it? Mar 28 15:14:47 heh, where can I get a nicer charger for N810? Mar 28 15:14:55 "nicer"? Mar 28 15:14:55 possibly usb one Mar 28 15:14:59 ya, smaller Mar 28 15:15:06 or at least a replacement Mar 28 15:15:22 replacement in any Nokia-dealer. Mar 28 15:15:38 (it's used for a lot of phones) Mar 28 15:15:42 wnd, libs Mar 28 15:16:47 wnd, though, when calling dh_make I did specify -l (library) Mar 28 15:17:20 uh, that may not be a good idea. I don't really know though. Mar 28 15:17:35 hmm Mar 28 15:17:56 so try to call dh_make and tell it it's a standard app, but then specify base in section ? Mar 28 15:18:08 Veggen: that 5V charger? Mar 28 15:18:12 ok then Mar 28 15:18:24 Astorm: the one that comes with it, yes. Mar 28 15:18:36 I didn't even know there exists a -l switch for dh_make and I've built a few library package myself from scratch :-) Mar 28 15:18:47 as mine got the small plug bent :/ Mar 28 15:18:55 :P Mar 28 15:19:03 hmmhmm Mar 28 15:19:18 chinook/explicit doesn't want to refresh Mar 28 15:19:32 and other soft install :/ Mar 28 15:19:34 AStorm: has happened for me a couple of time, especially if I use it plugged in (pretty often nowadays) Mar 28 15:19:37 I'd just manually have "Section: user/libs" in debian/control Mar 28 15:19:44 pupnik: i got spcxmms to show up in plugins list Mar 28 15:19:51 it simply needed -lstdc++ Mar 28 15:19:57 now i need some spc samples Mar 28 15:20:01 to test it Mar 28 15:20:01 Veggen: need to build my own then Mar 28 15:20:01 arh. where u added this? Mar 28 15:20:02 :) Mar 28 15:20:07 in makefile or configure? Mar 28 15:20:08 in xmms subdir Mar 28 15:20:09 wnd, user/libs ? Not "base" ? Ok, I'll try it out Mar 28 15:20:11 with some iridium plug Mar 28 15:20:11 in makefile Mar 28 15:20:21 i'm lazy Mar 28 15:20:23 :) Mar 28 15:20:23 hope it's some standard 5V plug Mar 28 15:20:23 http://snesmusic.org/v2/profile.php?profile=set&selected=345 Mar 28 15:21:13 pupnik: why does it end in .rsn Mar 28 15:21:16 KotCzarny: it seems maemo bins haven't installed correctly... Mar 28 15:21:18 well basically "foo" in user/foo doesn't really matter. as far as I can tell only application manager cares about it when it lists installable packages. Mar 28 15:21:19 if plugin has .spc ? Mar 28 15:21:40 sorry that's confusing Mar 28 15:21:43 wnd, oh, ok Mar 28 15:21:50 http://www.zophar.net/zsnes/spc/ Mar 28 15:22:13 wnd, single or multiple library ? -s or -m ? Mar 28 15:22:18 err, binary Mar 28 15:22:27 s/library/binary/g Mar 28 15:22:52 I never used those Mar 28 15:23:11 I'm starting to think I've missed something important ;-) Mar 28 15:25:35 erm, now that I think of it I've never used dh_make in the first place. perhaps it would be the best if you forgot what I said. :-) Mar 28 15:26:16 I've just extracted the sources and debianised the package manually Mar 28 15:27:06 ok recompile gets it playing here KotCzarny - no sound output though Mar 28 15:27:56 some sound Mar 28 15:28:07 works for you? Mar 28 15:28:13 but it sounds like a actual instruments are missing Mar 28 15:28:31 *an Mar 28 15:28:32 ok with another file I got some blerps too Mar 28 15:29:33 hehe Mar 28 15:35:32 wow 'Ice Castle' from Secret of Mana like tibetan monks with their weird horns and clashing sounds Mar 28 15:36:16 :P Mar 28 15:37:40 Not authentic without screams and machine guns though Mar 28 15:38:09 and tanks Mar 28 15:38:29 buffering of my stream video is cut on youtube , i dont know a reason Mar 28 15:41:04 trying 'sexyspc' Mar 28 15:43:50 Hmm.. Don't ask my how sexy leads me to it, but I pre-ordered a eeePC yesterday. ;) Mar 28 15:44:31 they come standard with linux yes? Mar 28 15:44:36 Yep Mar 28 15:44:59 boo sexyspc needs nasm too Mar 28 15:45:37 well, asm code won't work Mar 28 15:46:09 maybe KotCzarny will find a fix Mar 28 15:46:25 streaming of my youtube is cut Mar 28 15:46:28 yeah, by rewriting asm code? Mar 28 15:46:35 it's late here.. Mar 28 15:46:35 no using the C spc player Mar 28 15:46:49 yeah i'll google a bit - found some complaints about 'missing instruments' Mar 28 15:46:57 spc player? Mar 28 15:47:03 KotCzarny: Take a nap before you do things that you feel sorry for tomorrow ;) Mar 28 15:47:04 do you get anything resembling music with it KotCzarny ? Mar 28 15:47:14 tomorrow is today Mar 28 15:47:23 pupnik: only blips Mar 28 15:47:32 can't say how musical they were Mar 28 15:47:39 ok same here - K-Fox spc is the format for SNES music Mar 28 15:47:39 *tell Mar 28 15:48:08 where is spc player? Mar 28 15:48:41 http://www.xmms.org/plugins.php?category=input several players for xmms here Mar 28 15:49:23 is it possible to play stream video? Mar 28 15:49:40 mplayer [url] Mar 28 15:50:28 wnd, thanks, your help was awesome :) Mar 28 15:50:57 K-Fox: or with canola2 youtube plugin Mar 28 15:51:01 :) Mar 28 15:51:07 wnd, dh_make as library, and section as user/libs did the trick :) Mar 28 15:51:42 haye good peeps, i have got yet another question for ya :) Mar 28 15:52:01 ok Mar 28 15:52:14 is it regularly 'impossible' to get a derived widget shown in a hildon app? Mar 28 15:52:25 nah, why Mar 28 15:52:33 i seem to have been trying a lot! but it somehow doesnt work Mar 28 15:52:44 you just have to derive it from some hildon one Mar 28 15:53:03 or hack it around Mar 28 15:54:24 its like this: class SomeDerivedWidget : Gtk::HBox (for instance), and then instantiated in main(argc,argv) as an object with type SomeDerivedWidget Mar 28 15:55:09 if i do Hildon::Window win; win.add(somewidget); - it sometimes doesnt show Mar 28 15:56:03 only thing i do with it is add a table and attach stuff to that in the construct Mar 28 15:56:19 then add it to the window and run main kit Mar 28 15:58:04 I just got my wireless router back today, so I can do some more testing with the N800 with it Mar 28 16:00:36 hmmhmm Mar 28 16:00:50 I can't install anything in my devel env Mar 28 16:01:05 it's missing a list of preinstalled stuff Mar 28 16:01:13 drives me mad Mar 28 16:02:40 KotCzarny: why doesn't it work? Mar 28 16:03:03 it's missing chinook/explicit Mar 28 16:03:17 try fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explict Mar 28 16:03:21 I think brb Mar 28 16:03:54 couldn't find... Mar 28 16:03:56 Yes, did you run "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-explicit" Mar 28 16:04:01 ok Mar 28 16:04:07 i'm falling on the kb Mar 28 16:04:09 night ppl Mar 28 16:04:12 night Mar 28 16:04:45 qwerty12: I did install nokia binaries Mar 28 16:04:49 hmm Mar 28 16:04:58 and it can't find the package Mar 28 16:06:55 keesj: You were right. I cant flash :( "sudo flasher -f RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 28 16:06:55 flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) Mar 28 16:06:55 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Mar 28 16:06:55 USB device found found at bus 003, device address 010 Mar 28 16:06:55 Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302 Mar 28 16:06:56 NOLO version 1.1.11 Mar 28 16:06:58 Version of 'sw-release': Mar 28 16:07:00 " Mar 28 16:07:09 . . . Mar 28 16:07:12 flasher -F Mar 28 16:07:32 -F doesn't work for me :( Mar 28 16:07:45 flasher -F -f -R Mar 28 16:07:49 -F points to the FIASCO image Mar 28 16:07:54 -f tells it to flash Mar 28 16:07:57 -R reboots Mar 28 16:08:02 oh right. sorry, I'm a bit knobbish today. thanks Mar 28 16:08:15 I hate that -r is rootfs and -F is FIASCO Mar 28 16:08:21 :P Mar 28 16:08:26 They had their retard hats on when they picked the cases. Mar 28 16:08:30 Lol Mar 28 16:08:40 Thanks :), it's flashing now :) Mar 28 16:09:00 Oh well, once you do it enough you don't forget. :P Mar 28 16:09:39 sniff Mar 28 16:09:41 * qwerty12 is embarrassed as he is used to windows flasher Mar 28 16:09:48 why doesn't the damn junk work... Mar 28 16:09:55 * qwerty12 is also stupid for running "rm -rf /" Mar 28 16:09:56 * WormFood cringes at the thought of using windows for anything Mar 28 16:10:07 even on their (Nokia) image Mar 28 16:11:57 Nah, in windows if you have dongle, Phoenix flasher is very powerful. Phoenix goes more into BB5 (retu & tahvo etc) Mar 28 16:13:27 qwerty12, you can get those retu/tahvo values out of the chips on a running N8x0 though I think Mar 28 16:14:44 It's more of a generalisation :). BB5 phones (N95, N70 etc) actually use retu & tahvo chips but not to the extent of N8*0. Phoenix can set many things of the N8*0 like the wifi channels I think Mar 28 16:14:46 Secret_of_Mana-Forest_(Echo_Version).spc rulz Mar 28 16:15:09 qwerty12, interesting Mar 28 16:15:10 like crosby stills and nash - guenevere Mar 28 16:15:27 ... sniffle Mar 28 16:15:39 why the damn debian doesn't just work? Mar 28 16:15:43 uhm, sbox Mar 28 16:15:46 johnx: I made a long page about it here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 :D Mar 28 16:15:58 AStorm, what fun would it be if it just worked? Mar 28 16:16:06 I think I read that thread :) Mar 28 16:16:12 lol Mar 28 16:16:23 I wish I had the dongle to use it though :( Mar 28 16:16:46 I'm about 90% sure that 92% of that stuff can be read/written on a running N8x0 though through files under /sys Mar 28 16:18:07 You are probably right. Phoenix is the software official Nokia service centers use.I believe they can retrieve lock codes too... Although lockcode can be found in /dev somewhere according to a post on ITT Mar 28 16:19:15 heh...that might have even been my unconfirmed claim Mar 28 16:19:48 it *has* to be someplace in one of the mtd partitions though... Mar 28 16:19:59 ok then, I need a thorough guide o setting up indt Mar 28 16:20:05 *to Mar 28 16:21:32 johnx: People actually retrieved their lock codes with that post. I couldn't figure it out :D Mar 28 16:21:40 AStorm: VMware image? Mar 28 16:21:49 ya Mar 28 16:21:55 I have the image running Mar 28 16:21:56 ah...interesting. not me then :D Mar 28 16:22:33 qwerty12: step by step Mar 28 16:22:33 AStorm: Are you getting your error under the image? Mar 28 16:22:37 yup Mar 28 16:22:40 You need a guide to setting up a research center for Nokia in Brazil? Mar 28 16:22:45 lol Mar 28 16:23:13 after having enabled network and installed chinook binaries Mar 28 16:23:38 AStorm: Erm, I'm not really sure what to say. I just set up the image in windows, vmware's nat sorted things out for me and the README.html worked. Mar 28 16:24:14 have you tried a "apt-get update" Mar 28 16:24:22 here I only had to mangle debian eth0 to eth1 Mar 28 16:24:28 Do you only get that error in a certain target? Mar 28 16:24:30 qwerty12: throws a message Mar 28 16:24:35 in both Mar 28 16:24:51 I'm unpacking a fresh image once again Mar 28 16:25:20 so wait a while Mar 28 16:25:31 ok Mar 28 16:25:41 Are you using Linux as host or Windows? Mar 28 16:25:49 linux Mar 28 16:25:55 networking worked Mar 28 16:26:04 Oh right Mar 28 16:26:07 (last time) Mar 28 16:26:35 actually, everything worked, except that list of explicit pkgs Mar 28 16:26:47 so I couldn't install anything Mar 28 16:26:49 Tell you what, I'll mount the image in my VMWare Workstation in Linux and see how it goes. Mar 28 16:27:04 should be same Mar 28 16:27:26 hopefully, as that means image needs updating Mar 28 16:28:34 ah wait, my failed kernel hacking has thrown my vmware off. I need to vmware-config again Mar 28 16:28:40 heh Mar 28 16:28:53 i have vmware-server here btw Mar 28 16:29:18 now indt (fresh) has loaded Mar 28 16:29:41 INdT isn't a vmware image. <_< Mar 28 16:29:50 blahblah Mar 28 16:29:59 it is vöware img by indt Mar 28 16:30:04 now for some strange reason, my wireless is working again Mar 28 16:30:05 *vmware Mar 28 16:30:30 mhm, it wants eth1, fixing /etc/network/interfaces Mar 28 16:30:33 INdT is a research institute for Nokia in Brazil Mar 28 16:30:42 The maemo vmware image is the maemo vmware image. Mar 28 16:30:56 Calling a vmware image "indt" is . . . stupid. Mar 28 16:32:03 ok, ill call it img then Mar 28 16:33:15 I can't get the networking under linux to work in indt image :p. in windows it worked for me 1st time :p Mar 28 16:33:51 check, it'ss eth1 inside Mar 28 16:33:55 :P Mar 28 16:34:03 not eth0 Mar 28 16:34:53 ok, thanks Mar 28 16:36:14 Got it working, just needed to enable network in settings :P Mar 28 16:38:46 nokia binaries installing... Mar 28 16:39:16 Meh, better off using a real scratchbox. Image is running slower than to my real scratchbox Mar 28 16:39:16 hehe Mar 28 16:39:28 if it worked... I'd do Mar 28 16:40:07 Which distro do you used? I'm on my 4th working install of sbox Mar 28 16:40:53 gentoo, sbox b-ing about ld.so assert failed Mar 28 16:40:58 I'll retry Mar 28 16:42:30 Hehe, binaries installer taking a LONG time so I cancel it. I can't rerun the binaries script and apt-get updates fails Mar 28 16:43:24 I create a program with the python-GTK on maemo and create the package for the installation on the N810. But when installing the application on the tablet it need the python's package.anybody can give me some hints? Mar 28 16:43:55 AStorm: I get same error as you. I think the image needs updating now. I belive it uses 4.0 where as latest is 4.01 Mar 28 16:44:41 mourad, if you make your package depend on python2.5-runtime and have the xtras repository enabled on the tablet everything should work automagically Mar 28 16:45:46 qwerty12: how to do that? Mar 28 16:46:07 I have no idea. I just use 4.01 in real linux Mar 28 16:46:13 hmm Mar 28 16:46:19 johnx : how can i enable the "xtras repository" Mar 28 16:46:27 maybe I'll just install it inside Mar 28 16:46:32 My real linux's sbox updates fine Mar 28 16:46:57 mourad, just look in application manager and hit tools -> application catalog ... Mar 28 16:47:07 hit edit for maemo extras and uncheck disabled Mar 28 16:47:48 AStorm: I think I know why it is failing. Mar 28 16:49:30 brb Mar 28 16:49:36 reboot of Gentoo Mar 28 16:49:47 anyone from uk here? Is the daylight saving time starting this weekend there too? Is that homogenized throughout Europe now? Mar 28 16:50:06 Veggen: I haven't heard about DST here. Mar 28 16:54:08 qwerty12: so, how to do that? Mar 28 16:55:20 AStorm: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out last line. Updating still seems to fail for me but earlier Mar 28 16:55:23 johnx, in the catalog the component free non-free are available is it enough Mar 28 16:55:24 Veggen: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=136 "DST starts on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 1:00 AM local standard time" Mar 28 16:55:49 qwerty: Mar 28 16:55:49 mourad, look for the "Maemo extras" entry Mar 28 16:56:08 is there a thin layer of something on my screen (stock n800) or is that just me? Mar 28 16:56:11 problem is that it doesn't want to install anything Mar 28 16:56:17 a protective layer or something? :\ Mar 28 16:56:18 sp3000: yah, found out. Mar 28 16:56:19 that last line is needed Mar 28 16:56:21 Zetx, yes Mar 28 16:56:30 * sp3000 throws a rabid kitten in the general direction of dst while at it Mar 28 16:56:31 I dunno, Image seems old then. Mar 28 16:56:34 (AFAIK) Mar 28 16:56:45 * johnx stabs DST Mar 28 16:56:54 * qwerty12 joins in Mar 28 16:57:03 johnx: can i take it off? i swear there are scratches or some marks or something on it and it drives me nuts Mar 28 16:57:09 ...maybe i should find something to replace it though.. hm. Mar 28 16:57:18 it's bad enough then they feel the need to monkey (reduced from a stronger word...) around with it every year just to piss off sysadmins... Mar 28 16:57:21 sp3000: was trying to agree on a conference call with some technical support in UK. And was trying to find out what the proposed time on monday actually was ;) Mar 28 16:57:59 Zetx, I think I've heard it's fine to take off, but mine didn't come with one since I bought a floor model... Mar 28 16:58:09 ah... Mar 28 16:58:12 Zetx, yeah, it's just a shipping proctero Mar 28 16:58:16 protector Mar 28 16:58:20 Tis fine. Mine came with a silver sticker which pulls it off Mar 28 16:58:24 Of the sort that comes with most electronics. Mar 28 16:58:28 argh. that's what it was for! Mar 28 16:58:32 heh Mar 28 16:58:36 My recommendation is to find something to replace it with, though. Mar 28 16:58:39 it didn't even begin to come off when i pulled it off :| Mar 28 16:58:44 I recommend the Boxwave anti-glare protectors. Mar 28 16:58:59 GeneralAntilles: where and how much? Mar 28 16:58:59 Quick q, RD mode wastes battery afaik but is that because of the serial console is enabled while using it? Mar 28 16:59:04 (in EU) Mar 28 16:59:21 expanysys may sell them over there Mar 28 16:59:23 Don't recall Mar 28 16:59:26 serail-console has a separate rd mode flag though so rd doesn't necessarily imply serial console Mar 28 16:59:26 $12 USD Mar 28 16:59:47 sp3000: I believe sconsole is turned on with rd mode by default. Mar 28 16:59:53 qwerty12, there really shouldn't be any difference in battery consumption with R&D unless you specifically set the serial flag. Mar 28 16:59:59 It's not. Mar 28 17:00:03 Ok, thanks. My bad. Mar 28 17:00:10 qwerty12: I believe it isn't, but, shruggery Mar 28 17:00:15 General: Okay, I'll look at Fry's or something Mar 28 17:00:27 johnx, i enable the xrtas repository but i could not found python2.5-runtime in available applications Mar 28 17:00:31 best to verify either way Mar 28 17:00:45 Yeah, I'll check the flags, when I reboot tablet. Mar 28 17:01:02 ok, so how to fix/update that vmdk? Mar 28 17:01:03 Zetx, you wont get anything tailor made retail Mar 28 17:01:08 You'll have to modify something else Mar 28 17:01:15 But I seriously recommend the Boxwave anti-glare. Mar 28 17:01:19 mourad, run apt-cache policy python2.5-runtime from the x terminal to verify it's available Mar 28 17:01:47 it won't show up in application manger I think, but if your app "depends" on it, it will get pulled in by your app Mar 28 17:01:49 It's not in User/, so it wont show up in GUI unless Red Pill is enabled. Mar 28 17:01:54 * sp3000 wonders what magic allows sb-conf rm ' ' to pick the dafult target as its victim Mar 28 17:01:56 What johnx said. Mar 28 17:01:59 other apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola Mar 28 17:02:09 s/canola/canola2 beta/g Mar 28 17:02:10 johnx meant: other apps that pull it in include: usbcontrol and canola2 beta Mar 28 17:02:18 GeneralAntilles: Where would you say i should buy it then? (Or do you just mean I should modify a boxwave anti-glare? Mar 28 17:02:23 I can't seem to find the thing that strips the arg or does something else nasty like that Mar 28 17:02:55 s/dafult/current/ Mar 28 17:03:13 As with everything, Zetx, the internet. Mar 28 17:03:37 Boo. I hate shipping. >_> Mar 28 17:04:00 Why? Everything is cheaper online. Mar 28 17:04:08 Especially when you factor in sales tax nonsense Mar 28 17:04:09 Yeah, but shipping takes time :p Mar 28 17:04:14 http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm Mar 28 17:04:15 If only I lived in the internet... Mar 28 17:04:43 so call 'em and ask if you can drive over and pick it up. I bet shipping is faster though :) Mar 28 17:33:28 can someone help me out with wesnoth? Mar 28 17:33:48 I get this error for sound: error audio: Could not load music file '/usr/share/games/wesnoth/music/main_menu_new.ogg': Failed loading libvorbisfile.so.3: libvorbisfile.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Mar 28 17:36:13 Jaffa, you around? :) Mar 28 17:39:20 qwerty12: yup Mar 28 17:40:34 Jaffa, If you do not mind me asking, if you release a new version of tablet-encode, would it be possible for it to automatically name the output file with the same name as the original file? Love tablet-encode btw, thanks :) Mar 28 17:41:44 qwerty12: can do it already, if you do 'tablet-encode foo.avi .' or 'tablet-encode -l foo.avi' you'll get foo.avi.avi and foo.average.avi respectively Mar 28 17:42:18 Ah! Ok, thanks :). I've been using gui :D Mar 28 17:42:28 that's ugly Mar 28 17:50:53 qwerty12: ah, ok. Does it prevent you? Problem is mencoder can't read and write to same file (AFAIK) so I'd have to take a copy first Mar 28 17:51:08 crashanddie: syntactically? tablet-encode's acting exactly as cp and mv - but better suggestions welcome Mar 28 17:52:03 Jaffa, well, I don't know what tablet-encode does (but I'm guessing it encodes files to be read by a tablet), so I'm shooting in the dark Mar 28 17:52:12 but if those files are supposed to be replaced Mar 28 17:52:31 why not move the old one to movie.old.avi and the new one taking the full name, movie.avi Mar 28 17:52:38 but avi.avi is just plain ugly Mar 28 17:52:48 I'd say movie.new.avi at the very least Mar 28 17:53:01 nothing important really Mar 28 17:53:06 Jaffa, Ok, ah well. I can live with manual naming :). I prefer tablet-encode to the official nokia encoder in windows Mar 28 17:55:00 I use tablet encode in mythtv. I have made a user job "Tablet encode" that I can tick off in recording schedules, and it will run tablet-encode and put the results on a directory that I can access from the tablet via a web-browser. Mar 28 17:55:22 I kind of like that. Simple. Mar 28 17:56:00 crashanddie: it might do 'movie.new.avi', I was going from memory - but agreed .avi.avi is hideous Mar 28 17:56:17 qwerty12: you've got the GUI working in Windows? Mar 28 17:56:50 besides - I don't have Windows either :) Mar 28 17:57:05 No :). I'm saying I like tablet-encode in Linux rather than the official nokia encoder that is in windows. sorry for misleading. Mar 28 17:57:12 Ah :-) Mar 28 17:57:27 Theoretically it should work, but I've not tried the Gtk2 bindings for Perl in ActiveState or cygwin Mar 28 17:58:29 What pisses me off, btw, is all those things that run nice and fine on unix/Linux/whatever-servers, but the *client* access is supported only from Windows. Luckily it seems that Nokia is a *little* better there. Mar 28 17:58:42 Hehe, I wouldn't mind trying it in windows. FF in linux results in corrupt downloads. So I use win for downloading and linux for other things. Mar 28 17:58:58 corrupt downloads? never had, actually... Mar 28 17:59:11 Maybe because I am forced to use ndiswrapper. Mar 28 17:59:13 :( Mar 28 17:59:20 (and I use ff in Linux *all* the time) Mar 28 18:04:00 do nokia release updates(security or otherwise) for the kernel at any point between the full reflashing process? Mar 28 18:05:46 there has been only one for flash corruption Mar 28 18:07:08 thx Mar 28 18:07:29 is there a specific security hole that's got you worried? Mar 28 18:08:12 no, but i was just thinking how a tweak would end up on everyones desktop if it was needed Mar 28 18:08:37 for instance, this rotation thing, or the memory speed thing Mar 28 18:09:00 Nokia would never include them official imho Mar 28 18:09:23 Like MMC 48 HZ mode isn't even supported by TI Mar 28 18:09:49 And rotation support isn't perfect too imho. Mar 28 18:09:55 i know - i was reading up about the cpu throttling maemo uses and for ubuntu a patch was released and updated after a bug was spotted Mar 28 18:10:39 Ah right. Meh, I don't think Nokia even tries TBH. Mar 28 18:11:02 Actually, I dont know lol Mar 28 18:11:15 I was gonna press backspace but my nokia stylus fell and hit enter lol Mar 28 18:11:48 I find it fun compiling your own kernel for the N800. You can fix quite a few things yourself too. Mar 28 18:12:44 building xerces-c for maemo is a bitch Mar 28 18:14:31 i find it fun tinkering as well and will eventually end up rebuilding the kernel and beyond, but that helps me - it doesnt directly help everyone Mar 28 18:16:05 Rotation will probably come officially at some point. Mar 28 18:16:12 Well, maybe Mar 28 18:16:16 Assuming they can iron out all the issues. Mar 28 18:16:43 Like qwerty12 said, the mmc speed increase is outside of the safe zone that TI determined. Mar 28 18:17:23 They do release kernel-only updates Mar 28 18:17:33 I would love to see the bluez that handful mentioned on ITT that INdT were/are working on that makes A2DP much more usable. Mar 28 18:17:42 But I dunno if they'll ever be shipped as just the kernel rather than the FIASCO image. Mar 28 18:17:48 those were examples, they personally dont bother me atm Mar 28 18:17:53 don't you hate it when you've been building a lib into a .deb, and takes about 10 minutes to compile, and it works, great, but you just spotted a typo in the name ? Mar 28 18:18:03 Diablo should be changing the whole update system quite dramatically. Mar 28 18:18:22 So any speculation based on past behavior is fairly irrelevant going forward. Mar 28 18:18:50 diablo == compatible with n810 ? Mar 28 18:18:54 Will Diablo be available on the current N800 hardware? Mar 28 18:19:03 Diablo = maemo 4.1 Mar 28 18:19:20 I was under the impression that it was supposed to be OS2009/maemo 5.0 Mar 28 18:19:34 and there's an announcement that says almost as much on maemo.org from a while back Mar 28 18:19:43 But, evidently, Diablo is the codename for 4.1 Mar 28 18:20:08 So they seem to be going back to the (in my opinion, confusing) system that they used with 2.x Mar 28 18:20:13 with a codename for every point release. Mar 28 18:20:40 So, Diablo is the next OS2008 upgrade. Mar 28 18:20:47 Agreed, confusing as hell Mar 28 18:20:51 +1 Mar 28 18:20:52 qwerty12: Error: "1" is not a valid command. Mar 28 18:21:01 5.0 will have been branched off to new hardware somewhere because they know they cant get the nice new features to run on std 8x0 ;) Mar 28 18:21:04 It wouldn't bother me so much if they had stuck with it. Mar 28 18:21:32 But they're now just switching randomly back and forth with each major revision. Mar 28 18:21:44 backed into a corner by promising compatability :) Mar 28 18:21:56 There's no way OS2009 wont run on the N8x0 hardware. Mar 28 18:22:08 is it staff turnover? i dont think even they know the proper expected path Mar 28 18:22:12 ESPECIALLY as the WiMAX tablet is gonna be an OMAP2 device. Mar 28 18:22:18 apps and movements elsewhere change the roadmap Mar 28 18:23:00 Meh for me, I couldn't really care if OS2009 wont run on N800. I don't really plan on buying another tablet. I live in London, I don't need WiMAX. Mar 28 18:23:06 yes, understood, os2009 == maemo 4.1 == 8x0 compatible. but thats not eh same thing as maemo 5.0 :) Mar 28 18:23:18 I'd love wimax though Mar 28 18:23:22 OS2009 = maemo 5.0 Mar 28 18:23:36 will OS200x run on the zaurus? Mar 28 18:23:43 i'd love to finally know where i am. ive been stood around since december waiting for a gps lock :( Mar 28 18:24:01 lcuk, you are under a rock Mar 28 18:24:04 You are in Manchester :p Mar 28 18:24:15 :O waaa scary - ahhhh my ip Mar 28 18:24:26 say, if I packaged two libs for the OS2008, should I send them on some repo for others to use ? Mar 28 18:24:27 You should get a cloak already. :P Mar 28 18:24:31 lol, i am l33t :p Mar 28 18:24:35 I hacked you :p Mar 28 18:24:35 nahh im not afraid Mar 28 18:24:41 :O omg Mar 28 18:24:58 Are you in Oldham? Mar 28 18:25:06 I've got family there :D Mar 28 18:25:36 thereabouts yer :) Mar 28 18:25:57 * lcuk shudders at how crap his local football team is Mar 28 18:26:04 lol Mar 28 18:26:07 crashanddie: if those libs are useful to other people, then yes, I'd say maemo extras would be a good place Mar 28 18:26:10 * lcuk moves to old trafford Mar 28 18:26:31 I wish we'd see a generational upgrade before the end of summer. Mar 28 18:26:35 although most people are interested in apps rather than in libs Mar 28 18:27:14 mgedmin, commonc++2 & xerces-c Mar 28 18:27:22 * mgedmin yawns Mar 28 18:27:43 well, they'll be needing those libs if they want my apps :P Mar 28 18:27:56 I'm done playing marbles....are there any good games for the n800? (obviously "good" is subjective) Mar 28 18:28:02 wow, just what i need. ive been looking for commonx++2 for AGES. ive had to struggle with commonc++1 and now all my problems will be cured. NOT :| Mar 28 18:28:13 Dozens and dozens WormFood. Mar 28 18:28:24 GeneralAntilles, any suggestions? Mar 28 18:28:34 lcuk, ? Mar 28 18:28:45 brb, gonna fetch the IT Mar 28 18:28:47 wormfood, you can play irc - ive never had a device which connects before now Mar 28 18:28:50 or you can play internet Mar 28 18:28:59 crashanddie, was bein sarcastic sorry Mar 28 18:29:02 Any chance of a Playboy the mansion port? :p Mar 28 18:29:12 playboy.com Mar 28 18:29:15 i assume Mar 28 18:29:26 Cool, lol :p :D Mar 28 18:29:29 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 http://www.pupnik.de/ http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ Mar 28 18:30:15 thanks, I'll take a look Mar 28 18:30:21 :) pupnik has been seriously busy with this device Mar 28 18:30:27 * lcuk raises a glass Mar 28 18:30:40 wesnoth keeps causing reboots. Mar 28 18:32:18 camera nearly killed my n810 today Mar 28 18:32:40 How come? Mar 28 18:33:09 100% cpu for several minutes Mar 28 18:33:22 what kind of camera? big stereo imax camera falling? hubble space telescope reentered and fell on 810? Mar 28 18:33:23 device ignoring any input up to and including holding down the power button Mar 28 18:33:30 Eek Mar 28 18:33:39 the 'camera' app from nokia's repo, I think Mar 28 18:33:46 'killed'? Mar 28 18:33:57 "made not responsive for 5 minutes" Mar 28 18:34:00 Do you have the rotation support installed? Mar 28 18:34:03 not "bricked" Mar 28 18:34:39 runaway process - at very worst it will run until flat battery :) and maybe operate as a hand warmer Mar 28 18:35:27 GeneralAntilles, whats your newest handheld then? anything you are looking foreward to thats maybe not nokia? Mar 28 18:35:48 some people are hoping for that pandora Mar 28 18:36:20 N900 Mar 28 18:36:24 Pandora is ugly as shit. Mar 28 18:36:29 No, shit's prettier. Mar 28 18:36:45 I wouldn't be seen in public with the mockup that they have on their website. Mar 28 18:36:56 Besides, it's pretty much strictly a gaming device. Mar 28 18:37:10 No bundled OS to speak of (though Debian + Hildon/matchbox is certainly an option) Mar 28 18:37:12 why? Mar 28 18:37:18 nope. from what i have gathered, complete linux environment is available Mar 28 18:37:34 but I haven't really spent a lot of time looking at it. Mar 28 18:37:34 The bundled OS is basically a loader. Mar 28 18:37:40 similar spec hardware as nokia just with a joystick as well Mar 28 18:37:47 doesnt sound too bad Mar 28 18:37:51 looks awful Mar 28 18:37:53 Look at it. :P Mar 28 18:37:56 ... Mar 28 18:38:01 i agree with you on that front Mar 28 18:38:16 I thought it was an 800mhz cpu? Mar 28 18:38:20 Personally, we can pretty much assume that the N900 will be OMAP3 Mar 28 18:38:23 ~600 Mar 28 18:38:36 it might be, but its not lightyears ahead of the 8x0 Mar 28 18:38:40 I know that while the battery life has sucked on the existing ones, at least the battery conspiracy hasn't swallowed them Mar 28 18:38:41 next gen Mar 28 18:38:41 So reusing Pandora code on the N900 is really what gets my mouth watering. Mar 28 18:39:02 OMAP3 is lightyears ahead of OMAP2 Mar 28 18:39:27 the Os for the nokias... i mean, i like mine, but it's very frustrating. basic basic simple UI stuff has never been considered. Mar 28 18:39:50 of course its been considered - then out of hand dismissed Mar 28 18:40:03 I'd like at *least* as good a PIM as the palm, I mean, come on. Mar 28 18:40:08 its annoying as hell to have a handheld touch device and need a stylus Mar 28 18:40:12 and left handedness. Mar 28 18:40:40 Meh, PIMs aren't free. Mar 28 18:40:47 Nokia didn't design the device as a PDA Mar 28 18:40:56 They invested that time and energy into things like web browsers. Mar 28 18:41:07 and stuffing Linux on a mobile device. Mar 28 18:41:14 it is indeed kind of surprising that no really well-integrated third-party PIM has showed up, though Mar 28 18:41:30 n810: jack of all trades, master of none Mar 28 18:41:33 well, except that no good PIM has ever showed up on any linux platform :-P Mar 28 18:41:50 GeneralAntilles: oh, come on. existing solutions for linux on pda go back 8 years. reinventing the wheel isn't *always* necessary in linux Mar 28 18:42:21 lcuk: n810 is master in the "geek toys" department Mar 28 18:42:25 I wished they could have put more effort into getting the wireless to work properly Mar 28 18:42:26 er, trade Mar 28 18:42:47 the game i play IS linux tinkering - ok mgedmin i agree Mar 28 18:42:58 koyote, porting, integrating, bundling, aren't free either. Mar 28 18:43:06 I'm really happy with the hardware, and some of the software. Mar 28 18:43:15 The NITs were shipped with a very small team. Mar 28 18:43:20 also, I'm unaware of any existing Linux PDA solution with decent PIM software :-P Mar 28 18:43:27 GeneralAntilles: ppphhhbbbt. of course not. but money HAS been paid for this Mar 28 18:43:29 Not a lot of free resources to throw around. Mar 28 18:44:08 what's this "pandora" thing you were talking about? Mar 28 18:44:10 do we have any sales figures for the 8x0? Mar 28 18:44:19 mgedmin: openpandora.org Mar 28 18:44:22 GeneralAntilles: um, enough to get the thing out, you know. Mar 28 18:44:42 elb: the zaurus one wasn't *awful* Mar 28 18:44:45 looks like a brick with an LCD attached Mar 28 18:45:01 and a pair of nipples Mar 28 18:45:02 I fail to see how having enough resources to get the device shipped means they also have enough resources to put together a PIM suite. :\ Mar 28 18:45:14 lcuk, ballpark 500k Mar 28 18:45:16 Maybe more Mar 28 18:45:33 Actually, probably a fair bit more Mar 28 18:45:36 maybe 750k Mar 28 18:45:41 500,00 people have nokias? seriously Mar 28 18:45:43 then you fail to see. you have ego-attachment to it not being possible. *shrug* Mar 28 18:45:44 0 Mar 28 18:46:05 It was around 300k N800 and 50-100k 770 Mar 28 18:46:13 That was . . . September last year. Mar 28 18:46:32 I think the n800 has seen a fair amount of sales since the n810 Mar 28 18:46:41 (more salient, since its huge price drop) Mar 28 18:46:45 i can agree with that Mar 28 18:47:39 I have ego-attatchment to it not being possible? Mar 28 18:48:12 I didn't follow that, either Mar 28 18:48:52 I agree with koyote that, were I Nokia, I would have allocated a bit of time to at least a rudimentary PIM; however, it's clear that they chose to allocate their time and money somewhere else, and developing such an application is *not* free and trivial Mar 28 18:49:05 koyote: the usability drop when you switch from a palm to a nokia IT is very very noticeable Mar 28 18:49:14 even from a pocketpc Mar 28 18:49:14 otoh I can do things with my n810 that just aren't possible with a palm Mar 28 18:49:42 and software noticeably improves every year Mar 28 18:49:44 ssh is one of them Mar 28 18:49:47 anyone remember OS2005? *shudder* Mar 28 18:50:05 It wasn't THAT bad, mgedmin. :P Mar 28 18:50:15 I wouldn't say there's a usability drop compared to a Palm Mar 28 18:50:17 it's hard to compare Mar 28 18:50:21 it could've been worse, yes Mar 28 18:50:36 elb: little things, like requiring at most 3 taps to achieve any function Mar 28 18:50:39 the Palm is pretty simple and bulletproof -- but that's easy if you don't *do* anything Mar 28 18:50:39 <||cw> nokia IT is not sold as a PDA Mar 28 18:50:41 the time to start an application Mar 28 18:50:53 palms did the things they could do very very well Mar 28 18:51:06 yeah, dedicating the desktop to some sort of hot-start buttons would be superior to those stupid applets Mar 28 18:51:07 and fell to pieces with anything else. Mar 28 18:51:10 applets are just all the rage Mar 28 18:51:35 the OS2008 applets make me ill :-P Mar 28 18:51:43 heaven forbid you should have to move one around, or resize it Mar 28 18:52:00 oh you can move one around: just try NOT to Mar 28 18:52:02 the most useful applet is web shortcut.. and there's only one Mar 28 18:52:15 set the stylus down ... wait a few seconds and hope it's done grabbing, move it slowly so the resize can catch up ... Mar 28 18:52:23 I like how they made the Contacts applet useless. Mar 28 18:52:24 use rss feed and get it fed from a personal list on your desktop Mar 28 18:52:29 it is odd, when you consider that the palm os has traditionally been a low end DB engine. Mar 28 18:52:33 and haven't done a damn thing about it for 6 months. Mar 28 18:53:22 I plopped the gpe calendar summary on my desktop and haven't looked at applets since Mar 28 18:53:40 gpe approaches goodness Mar 28 18:53:42 I just try not to inadvertently touch it, due to the movement lcuk mentions ;-) Mar 28 18:54:04 its similar with the touchscreen control in fbreader.. Mar 28 18:54:17 hah yeah Mar 28 18:54:18 touchscreen control anywhere, really Mar 28 18:54:28 nahhh - it can be done really nicely Mar 28 18:54:35 you can select, scroll, etc. at random Mar 28 18:54:36 Did the N810's touchscreen get any less noisy than the N800's? Mar 28 18:54:37 by touching the screen Mar 28 18:54:43 just take the touch as a one and only action per stroke Mar 28 18:54:48 stabscreen Mar 28 18:55:02 The 770's screen is a lot more responsive than the N800's Mar 28 18:55:23 I understand the 800 and 810 behave about the same Mar 28 18:55:29 but os2008 is different from 2007 Mar 28 18:55:32 the touch on my 810 doesnt really respond to finger slides unless its pressed quite hard, but nail works flawlessly Mar 28 18:55:42 (its threshold for "finger" versus "stylus" being somehow different) Mar 28 18:55:55 I hope the panel on the N900 is better. Mar 28 18:55:58 im using rawmode and can see the effect - its the actual hardware Mar 28 18:56:26 unlike the glass of that other touchscreen thingy it doesnt like your finger Mar 28 18:57:33 I always try and type like I do on the N800 on the iPhone Mar 28 18:57:38 Doesn't work well at all. Mar 28 18:58:15 i think i would have gotten an ipod or phone, but the resolution made me cry - it was not an upgrade Mar 28 18:58:17 stylus-tapping is ok, although sometimes it registers twice for a single tap Mar 28 18:58:24 finger touching is not so good Mar 28 18:58:30 tapping in which prog? Mar 28 18:58:34 any Mar 28 18:58:42 I think it's the hardware/drivers Mar 28 18:58:52 cos fbreader is noticably worse - it does multi page moving if you hold it down Mar 28 18:59:08 I added "next page" and "prev page" buttons to the fbreader's toolbar Mar 28 18:59:22 works fine, except for the occasional unexpected double tap Mar 28 18:59:47 i use hardware now i can hold my device properly (in a wooden cradle) but at first i held nokia by its frame and was constantly catching the paging Mar 28 19:00:14 i tried setting up a 100pixel area at bottom of screen but it STILL responds.. Mar 28 19:00:25 hardware buttons * Mar 28 19:00:35 The -/+ buttons are the way to change pages. Mar 28 19:00:47 one way, yes Mar 28 19:01:12 with a n810 in landscape mode, when you teach for those buttons, your hand covers the light sensor and the screen dims Mar 28 19:01:21 http://www.fbreader.org/mantis/view.php?id=72 Mar 28 19:01:33 -/+ + portrait Mar 28 19:01:37 anyway, n810 is the best device I've ever had Mar 28 19:01:56 and only the palm m500 looked more stylish Mar 28 19:01:57 mgedmin, put a sticker over the sensor and never worry about it again :) Mar 28 19:02:09 i have a "well done" smiley sticker from my sons school Mar 28 19:02:12 or just turn the screen brightness down Mar 28 19:02:20 at the lowest level, it ignores the sensor Mar 28 19:02:27 its not that elb - the sensor makes it go beyond the user settable range Mar 28 19:02:29 I thought my sensor just didn't work for a long time ;-) Mar 28 19:02:55 lcuk: no really -- it ignores it completely at the lowest brightness setting Mar 28 19:03:34 never gave it chance, it kept altering brightness when i was hoving hand over it - im a left hander) and it was annoying Mar 28 19:03:35 just turn all lights off in your room :) Mar 28 19:04:03 i read in dark with a dark screen and white text :) Mar 28 19:04:16 the keyboard still seems to react to the light sensor at the lowest brightness setting Mar 28 19:04:17 for hours and hours and hours and hours and then wonder why im tired the next day :S Mar 28 19:04:20 but it's kind of haphazard Mar 28 19:04:44 the keyboard backlight is the only annoying thing - i read with device open (i use dpad for navigation) and it keeps coming on when i change pages Mar 28 19:04:44 You know what makes me laugh? People who set the text to gray. <_< Mar 28 19:04:59 and keep max brightness up Mar 28 19:05:57 I read with the device closed, screen rotated Mar 28 19:06:00 mgedmin, you are right, for its annoyances, the 810 is lightyears ahead of anything :) Mar 28 19:06:03 and use the +/- rocker to page Mar 28 19:06:19 Same here, elb. Mar 28 19:06:21 uncomfy for hand - i hold mine like a book and just press thumb to change Mar 28 19:06:32 If I lie on my side I can use the stand to read hands free. Mar 28 19:06:36 ahh, it fits in my hand fine that way Mar 28 19:06:39 but my fingers are very long Mar 28 19:06:41 i rest my cradle on stomach and its perfect height Mar 28 19:07:52 for those that havent seen: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Mar 28 19:08:08 its book sized and is as comfy as holding a book Mar 28 19:08:30 Laptop battle! http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/ultimatelaptop.jpg Mar 28 19:08:48 haha Mar 28 19:08:52 lcuk: yay! Mar 28 19:08:57 why imageshack and not flickr? Mar 28 19:09:13 somewhere I have my old folding usb keyboard Mar 28 19:09:25 man how I wish os2008 had a usable terminal Mar 28 19:09:32 elb: ? Mar 28 19:09:41 maybe that will be more stable that the bt kbdd one i have which locks the system up sometimes Mar 28 19:09:47 what part of that statement confused you? Mar 28 19:09:49 * koyote nods Mar 28 19:09:55 elb: which is short "I find it very usable for my own used, but I would like to hear your gripes" Mar 28 19:10:02 which is short *for* "..." Mar 28 19:10:07 * mgedmin was trying to save time Mar 28 19:10:27 no accounts anywhere (apart from a couple of places people could discover) Mar 28 19:10:33 well, ok, gripes: ctrl toolbar button is *broken*, and 100% cpu busyloop on shell exit is stupid Mar 28 19:10:56 nokia took maemo-hacker's version of osso-xterm, and then deliberately broke the ctrl button Mar 28 19:11:01 control is HORRIBLE on that. Mar 28 19:11:06 I was just gonna say that, mgedmin. :P Mar 28 19:11:16 but I liked the switch from a vertical to a horizontal toolbar Mar 28 19:11:27 GeneralAntilles, your ultimate laptop is not very portable - and with mine i can flip it over, screw on the other half and play chess Mar 28 19:11:30 1) the stupid button bar comes back every time you restart the terminal; 2) the scrollbar is only removable by gconf preference, and ditto for restart; 3) there is no good way to get an 80x24 screen, due to sizing limitations and the terminal's inability to ignore part of the screen; 5) ... Mar 28 19:11:34 I actually downloaded the sources -- the sane ctrl toolbar button code is there, just commented out Mar 28 19:11:36 4, 5, whatever Mar 28 19:11:48 also the gnome vte is pretty darn craptastic Mar 28 19:11:57 screen real estate handling is just generally broken anyway. but that's another major issue. I'd like to pop up the smaller keyboard and not actually resize the xterm screen. Mar 28 19:12:21 yeah, screen keyboards/etc. as overlay would be nice Mar 28 19:12:30 hmm. can you remove the button bar? Mar 28 19:12:34 I don't need it anymore. Mar 28 19:12:45 Veggen: yes, in the menu ... but it iwll come back as sono as you restart the terminal application Mar 28 19:12:45 elb: it's just that they don't release any new build of osso-xterm the toolbar/scrollbar issue is fixed Mar 28 19:12:49 (in svn) Mar 28 19:12:49 "button bar" == "toolbar"? Mar 28 19:13:06 jott: that's good to hear Mar 28 19:13:07 http://sse2.net/xterm/ Mar 28 19:13:19 elb: hmm...source is open, right? so I should recompile it, change the default...ok, one day. Mar 28 19:13:24 i made a recent build .. Mar 28 19:13:53 ah. Mar 28 19:14:06 what I'd really like to see is urxvt stuck in a hildon-aware frame Mar 28 19:14:20 vte is not that bad :) Mar 28 19:14:21 though that'd also require a hildon-aware IM Mar 28 19:14:27 it's pretty crappy Mar 28 19:14:28 * mgedmin actually likes vte Mar 28 19:14:33 and slow as bejezus Mar 28 19:14:42 (which matters on an IT) Mar 28 19:14:51 it at least has double-buffering Mar 28 19:14:54 yay flicker-free scrollback Mar 28 19:15:13 I'm not aware of any modern terminal which doesn't Mar 28 19:15:15 (this is one of the issues that made me go back from xterm to gnome-terminal) Mar 28 19:15:20 unless xterm doesn't, which I guess wouldn't surprise me Mar 28 19:15:20 "modern" being the key word Mar 28 19:15:26 urxvt, xterm -- not modern Mar 28 19:15:31 urxvt has double-buffering Mar 28 19:15:37 and you can hardly call urxvt not modern Mar 28 19:15:41 oh, it has? Mar 28 19:15:44 * mgedmin pauses Mar 28 19:15:53 it handles virtually everything better than vte/konsole/etc. Mar 28 19:16:03 well, it doesn't have tabs Mar 28 19:16:04 so there Mar 28 19:16:09 actually, it does Mar 28 19:16:10 can't have a terminal without tabs :-) Mar 28 19:16:12 elb: uhm? http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/ Mar 28 19:16:14 it has TABS? Mar 28 19:16:25 woohoo, urxvt grew up while I wasn't looking Mar 28 19:16:29 jott: "uhm?" what? Mar 28 19:16:42 perfomance of konsole/gnome-terminal is much better Mar 28 19:16:48 I'm very glad to see that it can cat a file Mar 28 19:17:08 and ... "better" is very relative Mar 28 19:17:27 I notice, for example, that every single urxvt usage is using xft Mar 28 19:18:01 regardless of some unscientific crappy blog entry ... gnome-terminal is slow to actually *use* Mar 28 19:18:07 scrolling, particularly Mar 28 19:18:33 is slow or seems slow? Mar 28 19:18:35 hmm Mar 28 19:18:43 notice that gnome-terminal is "fast" by batching updates Mar 28 19:18:45 i.e. time cat verylargefile.txt ? Mar 28 19:18:57 as in "seems slow" :) Mar 28 19:19:03 scrolling as in less, or as in cat largefile, or as in mouse-wheeling through the scrollback? Mar 28 19:19:19 no, as in paging with ctrl+pgup/pgdn *is* slow Mar 28 19:19:38 ctrl? not shift? Mar 28 19:19:46 or whatever it uses, it's ctrl in urxvt Mar 28 19:20:00 interesting, I had the impression most xterms used the same keys Mar 28 19:20:03 (the real point being, if you actually need multibyte text in your terminal, you're using urxvt) Mar 28 19:20:05 so, scrollback Mar 28 19:20:29 and the performance of catting large files is almost wholly irrelevant to anything ;-) Mar 28 19:20:36 I once (7 years ago?) compared xterm and Eterm Mar 28 19:20:39 if you want to speed that up on any given terminal, just friggin' minimize it Mar 28 19:20:45 specifically, scrolling through scrollback with Shift+PgUp Mar 28 19:20:51 one appeared to be fast, one appeared to be slow Mar 28 19:20:57 one was faster one was slower Mar 28 19:21:02 and these were different Mar 28 19:21:10 one did double-buffering, one didn't Mar 28 19:21:18 if you want a tabbed terminal use xchat. this is, as people keep repeating, a limited resources device. all i want is a true well behaved xterm Mar 28 19:21:21 the one that did (Eterm, I think) appeared faster although it was slower Mar 28 19:21:40 something any ncurses app can run on without a hiccup. Mar 28 19:21:47 eterm was not (back in the day) double-buffered Mar 28 19:21:58 or rather, its *text* wasn't Mar 28 19:22:01 I think other crap was :-P Mar 28 19:22:13 (it was essentially rxvt) Mar 28 19:23:02 i want the pop up keyboard to overlay and not touch the xterm. and i want it to appear on the top of the screen Mar 28 19:23:31 that's another travesty of vte -- it claims to be xterm, but is not 100% xterm compatible Mar 28 19:23:33 while we're at it, I'd like the ui to not make the device into a qvga with all that real estate wastage. :) Mar 28 19:23:43 which means that applications which use obscure corners of terminfo capabilities fall down Mar 28 19:26:36 yup Mar 28 19:27:19 does anyone know why a choice was made to make this immutable set of crap on the left hand side instead of being able to just pop shortcuts onto a desktop? Mar 28 19:27:34 that's actually the very first thing i noticed. Mar 28 19:28:38 Hello Mar 28 19:29:39 Be nice if you could dump all the stuff on the taskbar into the statusbar area. Mar 28 19:30:30 I'd like some clock in the appbar Mar 28 19:30:36 The horizontal width is really the most important part of the device. Mar 28 19:30:41 you know where Mar 28 19:30:46 Taskbar or statusbar? Mar 28 19:30:47 yup Mar 28 19:30:53 taskbar Mar 28 19:31:01 well, this is one of those "it costs money thing"- they spent oibvious time and money replacing a menubar and desktop shortcuts codebase with ... a complete real estate wastage Mar 28 19:31:04 where the app button is Mar 28 19:31:05 You could probably code one up. Mar 28 19:31:13 ya, an applet Mar 28 19:31:25 The taskbar applets aren't really any different from the statusbar applets. Mar 28 19:31:33 port qtopia? or the old cacko xserver stuff? Mar 28 19:31:34 Heck, a feature request for personal menu? Mar 28 19:31:40 koyote: it's not that bar Mar 28 19:31:43 bad Mar 28 19:32:04 and you can switch between 3 apps quickly :P Mar 28 19:32:10 could use MRU Mar 28 19:32:21 this thing has the same resolution as my eeepc, half the cpu maybe and less ram, but it should be able to handle what I do on the eee most of the time...... Mar 28 19:32:35 AStorm: it's that bad. :) Mar 28 19:32:53 fullscreen button? Mar 28 19:33:17 active corners? Mar 28 19:33:29 (someone has to add them) Mar 28 19:33:43 gestures? Mar 28 19:33:59 (use the touchscreen some more) Mar 28 19:34:13 the fullscreen handling seems like it does odd things, nad there's a lot of lack of use of the buttons. Mar 28 19:34:39 well, tray is nice Mar 28 19:34:50 buttons on the left, uhm Mar 28 19:34:52 what odd things does fullscreen handling do? Mar 28 19:35:03 only main menu is really needed Mar 28 19:35:04 some applications don't handle it well, but that's simply application bugs Mar 28 19:35:10 and maybe task menu Mar 28 19:35:31 I use almost everything in full screen, and use the app switcher hardware button to change between Mar 28 19:35:52 *shrug* i guess i'm just used to x Mar 28 19:36:04 to what? Mar 28 19:36:05 Hmmm... Any chance someone could compile gnumeric for OS2008? Or is there a good alternative? Mar 28 19:36:17 rechosen: someone already did that Mar 28 19:36:25 search the web Mar 28 19:36:29 and repos Mar 28 19:36:53 AStorm: That's awesome. Maybe Yahoo doesn't feature the pages about it? =) Mar 28 19:37:01 maybe Mar 28 19:37:14 check gronmayer.com Mar 28 19:37:15 * rechosen is a Google-avoider Mar 28 19:37:53 in testing maemo extras Mar 28 19:40:41 AStorm: Thanks =) Mar 28 20:14:02 Hi Everyone, what's the preferred method of executing a host based executable from within scratchbox? For example, I would like to run "javac" from within scratchbox. Mar 28 20:14:48 within scratchbox, you can choose the target Mar 28 20:15:00 if you select x86 then rebuild the project it should be runnable Mar 28 20:15:12 (on an x86 machine...) Mar 28 20:15:37 Thanks lcuk, however, I don't think I explained myself correctly. Mar 28 20:15:39 http://nokiausa.com/n810wimax Mar 28 20:15:40 Huh Mar 28 20:15:48 http://europe.nokia.com/A4579470 Mar 28 20:15:50 let me try again.... Mar 28 20:16:09 Stupid that they didn't rename it. <_< Mar 28 20:16:25 I would like to cross compile phoneme (open source jvm from sun). Mar 28 20:16:30 However, during the build process Mar 28 20:16:44 their make target requires javac to be on the path Mar 28 20:17:07 javac is an x86 binary, however, it is used Mar 28 20:17:20 by the makefile to build the arm target Mar 28 20:17:50 so I'ld like to execute javac (x86 binary) to generate .class files which will be used to build the jvm for the arm target. Mar 28 20:17:54 do I make sense? Mar 28 20:19:10 you do, but i know nothing about that. basically you want an extra tool for the toolchain :) Mar 28 20:19:19 yes Mar 28 20:19:21 =) Mar 28 20:19:43 maybe I can set up a link from my scratchbox/user/ to the host Mar 28 20:19:50 and it'll show up on my scratchbox target Mar 28 20:20:02 angelr: you could also install http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/sdk/scratchbox-classpath-ecj_1.0.deb which provides a javac :) Mar 28 20:20:09 ah Mar 28 20:20:10 nice Mar 28 20:20:40 (though maybe not 100% java 6 compatible i bet) Mar 28 20:21:10 oh well its the eclipse compiler 3.3.1.. should be ok :) Mar 28 20:21:19 I only require java 1.4. Thakns for your suggestion Mar 28 20:21:42 maybe also look at https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo_Jalimo_SDK Mar 28 20:22:08 and the other jalimo pages Mar 28 20:24:38 lcuk and jott, thanks. i'm looking into jalimo, This is of much help. Mar 28 20:28:43 re Mar 28 20:32:22 what do I need to build a maemo development environment on my Ubuntu Gutsy laptop so I can write a python based app? I'm not a professional developer by any stretch, but I need an app and no one has written it yet, so I will. Mar 28 20:32:52 You really don't need anything for Python. Mar 28 20:33:29 Might be useful: http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 28 20:33:46 for python i just edit the file directly from the 810 (I use ssh to do browsing and edit using a windows editor Mar 28 20:36:09 since I'm no developer...is python a scripting language or does it need to be compiled? Mar 28 20:36:35 script Mar 28 20:37:05 since your not a developer are you gonna have much luck making what you want, and are you sure theres nothing around like what your after Mar 28 20:38:04 sure I will... Mar 28 20:39:49 as for anything like what I need....no joy yet. I ned to convert mp3's fron whatever bitrate they might be to a single bit rate, and copy the converted ones to anothe directory, and keep track of what still needs to be converted so as I add mp3's to the mail collection, they can be easilt converted to the lower bitrate Mar 28 20:40:16 it's for my tablet and cell phone 's mp3 collections... Mar 28 20:40:37 Why Python? Mar 28 20:40:40 Just use bash for that. Mar 28 20:40:54 I want a pretty front end... Mar 28 20:40:59 Bleh Mar 28 20:41:29 my wife, nephew, etc etc would never use such an app if it were command line..especially on a tablet Mar 28 20:42:42 wouldnt this be a desktop app? doing the copying and converting and everything will be better surely? Mar 28 20:45:01 lcuk: it will be both. I have heard lotsa skips on the tablet listening to a 320kbps mp3 if I do anything else at all..it would be nice to convert them on the fly if needed Mar 28 20:45:18 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: hm, I foudn a gui like that recently, let me see if I can find it again Mar 28 20:46:30 <||cw> wasn't for the IT, but might have been python Mar 28 20:46:34 ||cw: that would be AWESOME Mar 28 20:47:35 WorkingOnWise: high bitrate a cause for skipping? that sounds unusual Mar 28 20:47:53 <||cw> yeah, even the 770 should play 320's Mar 28 20:48:28 lcdd, while multitasking. Mar 28 20:48:37 well Mar 28 20:48:49 hmmm...I cant imagine what else it could be.... Mar 28 20:48:50 I've been battling with dpkg for long enough today :) Mar 28 20:49:11 I'm off Mar 28 20:49:13 cheers everyone Mar 28 20:49:19 and thanks for your help, once again Mar 28 20:49:59 my phone skips like a freakin kindergartner on anything above 256. I asumed it was simular trouble on the IT, but the IT is way smoother... Mar 28 20:50:15 but not perfect, unless they are under 265 Mar 28 20:50:20 256 Mar 28 20:50:54 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ python pyGTK and and gstreamer based Mar 28 20:51:22 When you 100% the CPU browsing the internet while listening to MP3s, you tend to get skipping. Mar 28 20:52:15 hehe Mar 28 20:52:27 we need CFS on this device Mar 28 20:52:42 ||cw: u are my hero! thats the app I was gonna write! Mar 28 20:52:49 new (now default) cpu scheduler introduced in 2.6.23 Mar 28 20:53:12 (smileing as I learn I dont have to learn python this weekend) Mar 28 20:53:13 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: I was very happy to find it too Mar 28 20:54:08 <||cw> it's in ubuntu's repo FWIW Mar 28 20:55:24 I am checking that now...I think I was too specific in my google..I was including tablet or maemo in the search string, and only loking at the fires page of results.... Mar 28 20:56:20 does the media player not know how to use the DSP for MP3 decoding? Mar 28 20:56:47 I guess it could be a bandwidth problem Mar 28 20:59:19 It uses the DSP, elb. Mar 28 20:59:56 so multitasking on the primary CPU should have limited effect Mar 28 21:00:23 which reminds me ... I've been working under the assumption that mp3 decoding would be easyier on my battery than ogg decoding, does anyone have numbers for that? Mar 28 21:00:38 (mp3 not only generally being simpler to decode, but also being handled on the DSP) Mar 28 21:01:52 nah, no numbers yet Mar 28 21:02:08 due to canola not supporting ogg playback yet Mar 28 21:02:49 how is that related? Mar 28 21:02:58 media player supports ogg playback with a plugin Mar 28 21:02:58 is there any way to move the text completion to the right of the space bar? I'm a lefty...it gets in my way big time. OS2008 Mar 28 21:03:05 (or replacement, I'm not clear) Mar 28 21:10:11 ||cw: do you know if soundconverter will just ignore files it cant transcode? like pics and such? Mar 28 21:14:05 <||cw> WorkingOnWise: I would assume, but I don't know Mar 28 21:40:12 Hola Mar 28 21:40:50 anyone succeeded at following the instruction for meamo sb2 ? http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html Mar 28 21:53:24 http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/nokia-reveals-the-wimax-n810-just-a-little-early/ Mar 28 21:57:53 <`0660> that didn't reveal much :) Mar 28 22:00:35 alp, how goes webkit maemo? saw the good news on acid3. Mar 28 22:01:41 maybe N810 WiMax will have a few mm more spacing for that top row. ;) Mar 28 22:02:28 where the heck is osso-mmc-mount.sh? Mar 28 22:02:39 <`0660> i wonder how it will sell Mar 28 22:03:08 I'm hoping we get a Diablo release in the next week or so. Mar 28 22:03:13 hmm, at /usr/sbin Mar 28 22:03:21 with multiplayer? Mar 28 22:03:45 <`0660> many people already pay for 3g plan, why bother bying a wimax plan on top of that... Mar 28 22:03:58 WiMax > 3G Mar 28 22:04:09 with WiMax, you can cancel your cell plan and just VoIP. Mar 28 22:04:23 VoIP at home, on the go. Ring everywhere. Mar 28 22:04:42 <`0660> maybe if you don't travel much :) Mar 28 22:04:49 I've had a WiMax antenna on my laptop for 2 years. I've never bothered to get a subscription. Mar 28 22:04:55 fysa, we've yet to see much WiMAX usage in reality. Mar 28 22:05:12 We'll see if any of that actually pans out this year. ;) Mar 28 22:07:36 I wait patiently. Mar 28 22:07:55 WiMax in US and Hong Kong is what I need. Mar 28 22:08:02 It's been like 4 years. Mar 28 22:08:05 what? Mar 28 22:08:24 Since WiMAX was introduced. Mar 28 22:09:06 Can you get service in your area even if you want to? Mar 28 22:09:12 I honestly have no idea. Mar 28 22:09:23 I don't even know how to find out. Mar 28 22:10:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deployed_WiMAX_networks Mar 28 22:11:02 That's not nearly enough detail. Mar 28 22:11:16 Xohm is what you need. Mar 28 22:11:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xohm Mar 28 22:11:28 I'm "near" a city that supposedly has had coverage since January. Mar 28 22:11:28 For it to be useful, I think. Mar 28 22:11:34 But not in it. Mar 28 22:19:28 any one have kde on there n810? or xfce? Mar 28 22:19:47 There N810? Where N810? Mar 28 22:20:05 i have a n810 Mar 28 22:20:16 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=33 Mar 28 22:20:54 * Tester_ doesnt understand why someone would want to use a desktop desktop on a mobile platform Mar 28 22:22:26 e17 seems like it could be ok in both cases Mar 28 22:23:33 haha Mar 28 22:25:31 well i have it loaded i was just wounding if you know of any speed tricks for kde which i know are gona be prety much non cuz kde is a resourse whore but i figured it coudent hurt to ask Mar 28 22:26:19 Whats the embedded qt thing called that should be ok Mar 28 22:26:38 there is no WiMAX allocation in EU Mar 28 22:26:43 so useless for me Mar 28 22:48:19 what? Mar 28 22:48:42 there are 4 providers in UK Mar 28 22:52:25 hehehe Mar 28 22:52:38 remember, it's some km range at best Mar 28 22:52:47 so you won't have it Mar 28 23:32:55 i cant install portmap "dangling simlink Mar 28 23:40:42 any good page about multiboot initramfs/kernel? Mar 28 23:43:10 yawn Mar 28 23:46:50 what do i do with a danglin symlink Mar 28 23:46:56 rm Mar 28 23:47:50 portmap wont install because of a dangling symlink Mar 28 23:47:59 ok ill try rm Mar 28 23:48:54 any talks of a wimax usb dongle for the n800/770/810? Mar 28 23:49:22 No a whisper. Mar 28 23:49:33 I'd rather see a Nokia phone with WiMAX. Mar 28 23:50:16 Hi Mar 28 23:57:14 ya that worked thanks Mar 28 23:57:48 dvorak says wi-max is not turning out verry good Mar 28 23:58:21 Dvorak is a moron. Mar 28 23:58:56 but an entertaining moron Mar 28 23:59:08 and in this instance, he appears to be right Mar 28 23:59:20 though it's not too late for it to rally Mar 29 00:00:00 Nearly 30% of logged Vista crashes were due to NVIDIA driver problems, according to a Microsoft data included in the bundle. Mar 29 00:00:01 lol Mar 29 00:01:49 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4307 Mar 29 00:01:49 lol2 Mar 29 00:19:25 Somebody needs to get gronmayer better hosting. Mar 29 00:26:03 so, no one will give me a link to multiboot loader? Mar 29 00:26:13 I had it and lost it Mar 29 00:26:25 search for fanoush ? Mar 29 00:26:35 ah right Mar 29 00:27:02 * KotCzarny debugs xmms Mar 29 00:31:59 wow Mar 29 00:32:03 doublesize works Mar 29 00:32:04 :) Mar 29 00:33:20 pupnik: i made xmms double size working :) Mar 29 00:34:08 now let's look at z-pos issue Mar 29 00:43:46 Light is seen at the end of the tunnel... on wk 13 Diablo firmware the finger Mar 29 00:43:46 detection appear to work. :-) Mar 29 00:43:59 nice Mar 29 00:43:59 from : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629 Mar 29 00:44:00 :) Mar 29 00:44:10 Yeah Mar 29 00:44:15 Just saw those in my inbox. Mar 29 00:44:19 how does one get his hands on Diablo? Mar 29 00:44:28 >.> Mar 29 00:44:33 We could grab a copy when we go on the trout walloping adventure. :P Mar 29 00:44:52 pfffffff Mar 29 00:45:19 * Tama^2 uses the trout on GA's face Mar 29 00:45:22 diablo == minnow stream isnt it? Mar 29 00:45:24 I say we also steal the UI spec while we're there. Mar 29 00:45:30 or whatever its called for the beta Mar 29 00:46:02 Sardine. :P Mar 29 00:46:06 But Sardine is public Mar 29 00:46:10 thats the one Mar 29 00:46:10 Assuming it's even still relevant. Mar 29 00:46:31 not sure, but read at the start that that was where the betas live Mar 29 00:47:21 Internal builds are different from the public beta stuff Mar 29 00:47:32 But I think Sardine stopped being relevant with the N800. Mar 29 00:49:13 evening. Mar 29 00:50:11 Sardine... is a waste of time isn't it? Never works... always broken... nobody cares. Mar 29 00:50:24 Nobody that can fix it, anwyay Mar 29 00:50:38 Hehe Mar 29 00:50:39 ugh. "yah, maybe I can stay at work till around 6pm" ended out being actually 1.30am before I got out of there. Mar 29 00:50:41 Howdy, milhous. Mar 29 00:50:45 +e Mar 29 00:50:46 hi Mar 29 00:50:47 GeneralAntilles: Error: "e" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:51:02 +dumbbot Mar 29 00:51:04 GeneralAntilles: Error: "dumbbot" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:51:13 +die Mar 29 00:51:14 milhouse: Error: "die" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:51:26 +help Mar 29 00:51:26 milhouse: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. Mar 29 00:51:27 I don't think that bot has any useful features Mar 29 00:51:31 you would be shocked if it DID know the command and it actually banned you forever Mar 29 00:51:35 I love IRC bot help. Mar 29 00:51:53 +help help Mar 29 00:51:53 milhouse: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. Mar 29 00:52:01 Haha Mar 29 00:52:04 useless bot Mar 29 00:52:05 +help help help Mar 29 00:52:06 lcuk: Error: There is no command "help help". Mar 29 00:52:14 The help command on an irc bot is only useful when you already know the commands. Mar 29 00:52:14 +i need somebody Mar 29 00:52:16 lcuk: Error: "i" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:52:22 +part Mar 29 00:52:23 GeneralAntilles: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. Mar 29 00:52:24 +leave Mar 29 00:52:25 GeneralAntilles: Error: "leave" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:52:26 +quite Mar 29 00:52:28 GeneralAntilles: Error: "quite" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:52:32 +exit Mar 29 00:52:34 milhouse: Error: "exit" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:52:47 +bagofshite Mar 29 00:52:47 milhouse: Error: "bagofshite" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:52:56 milhouse, when are you gonna resurrect Monkey with triggers? :( Mar 29 00:53:03 +fun -bot Mar 29 00:53:04 Tama^2: Error: "fun" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:53:11 ah.... no plans at the mo Mar 29 00:53:21 still got him around somewhere, snoozing Mar 29 00:53:25 +stop_it_tama:P Mar 29 00:53:26 lcuk: Error: "stop_it_tama:P" is not a valid command. Mar 29 00:53:42 my linux box needs a bit of tlc first, once i've finished redecorating Mar 29 00:53:44 moi? look who is talking :P Mar 29 00:54:33 i want to draw on my screen but i cant be arsed writing the persist/restore code for my strokes Mar 29 00:54:53 * lcuk is tired Mar 29 00:55:01 +google maemo Mar 29 00:55:02 jott: Search took 0.15 seconds: maemo .org - maemo .org: Maemo is the application development ...: ; maemo .org - ApplicationCatalog: ; Maemo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; maemo .org - Planet maemo: ; Maemo is the application development platform for (2 more messages) Mar 29 00:55:37 +google dtahtbot Mar 29 00:55:39 lcuk: Search took 0.19 seconds: IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2008-03-03: ; irclog2html for #oe on 20080307: ; irclog2html for #maemo on 20080226: ; Channel: 20080207_oe.log: (2 more messages) Mar 29 00:56:54 +google Mar 29 00:56:56 milhouse: (google [--{language,restrict} ] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results. Mar 29 00:57:16 +google britney spears Mar 29 00:57:17 milhouse: Search took 0.20 seconds: Britney Spears - The Official Site: ; Britney Spears - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Britney Spears | Blackout Magazine - Britney .Com - Jive Records: ; Posts from the Britney Spears Category at TMZ.com - Entertainment ...: (2 more messages) Mar 29 00:57:25 fantastic... Mar 29 00:57:40 would i be silly if i wanted to persist/restore using a c function syntax? ie the actual file could be used to reconstruct the picture if i decided to compile it up, or i can reopen it using my restore Mar 29 00:57:40 milhouse is set for the evening. Mar 29 00:58:06 one handed typing from now on... ;) Mar 29 00:58:27 milhouse, its actually more logical to use proper image search Mar 29 01:00:01 good god no - have you seen her lately? mad as a hatter, and looks it too! Mar 29 01:00:22 shes not that bad, i'd take care of her Mar 29 01:00:28 Catch the South Park episode? Mar 29 01:00:51 no, and i cant watch legally online yet :( Mar 29 01:01:25 +google south park britney spears Mar 29 01:01:28 milhouse: Search took 0.25 seconds: Hollywood.com: ; " South Park " (1997) - Alternate versions: ; Britney Spears To Appear On ' South Park ' This Week - Starpulse ...: ; (4 more messages) Mar 29 01:01:43 +google porn Mar 29 01:01:45 KotCzarny: No matches found. (Search took 0.00 seconds) Mar 29 01:01:48 lol Mar 29 01:01:53 lol Mar 29 01:01:56 safesearch :D Mar 29 01:01:58 no porn on the internet?! Mar 29 01:02:11 what happened when i was sleeping :) Mar 29 01:02:25 sorry, i thought my mom was comin upstairs so i deleted it Mar 29 01:02:31 oh Mar 29 01:02:59 +google porn --notsafe Mar 29 01:03:00 milhouse: Search took 0.23 seconds: OSDir.com :: Open Source, Linux News & Software: ; Department of Energy - Homepage: ; W3C Public Mailing List Archives: ; Wired News: ; Sciam Observations Scientific American Community: ; NFL Draft: Jason Avant - MSN Video: (1 more message) Mar 29 01:03:08 wtf? Mar 29 01:03:28 i think you just triggered the CIA or somethin Mar 29 01:03:43 run to the hills Mar 29 01:03:44 :) Mar 29 01:04:03 i can confirm that google returns unsafe material for your search Mar 29 01:04:11 but you already knew that Mar 29 01:04:12 lol Mar 29 01:04:21 :) Mar 29 01:07:11 So have I missed much in the world of ITOS? Mar 29 01:07:19 KotCzarny, do you think that my ponderment to persist data into a rudimentary source file will be ok? (ive done similar for *cough* before now) Mar 29 01:07:30 huh? Mar 29 01:07:35 just look up a bit Mar 29 01:07:46 i got up a little bit ago Mar 29 01:07:57 would i be silly if i wanted to persist/restore using a c function syntax? ie the actual file could be used to reconstruct the picture if i decided to compile it up, or i can reopen it using my restore Mar 29 01:08:01 * KotCzarny reads question again Mar 29 01:08:22 use xpm for that Mar 29 01:08:37 +google xpm Mar 29 01:08:39 lcuk: Search took 0.22 seconds: The XPM Format and Library: ; Index of /ftp/pub/ xpm: ; X PixMap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; XPM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Athlon XP-M 2600+: (2 more messages) Mar 29 01:09:09 milhouse, Diablo = 4.1 and it's coming soon and the N810 with WiMAX is coming soon. Mar 29 01:09:25 so, no then? Mar 29 01:09:26 :) Mar 29 01:09:30 Not really. Mar 29 01:09:33 noooo, i dont mean for the pixels - i will use bitmap or jpeg or lbm or anything required Mar 29 01:09:36 thought as much - sighs ;) Mar 29 01:09:51 what does it break this time? Mar 29 01:09:56 lcuk, but try to minimize writes Mar 29 01:09:59 Diablo? Mar 29 01:10:01 yah Mar 29 01:10:05 Nothing, so far as I'm aware. Mar 29 01:10:10 i mean for the strokes and regions and boxes - the vectors etc. writing will be line based Mar 29 01:10:14 you think about some kind of cache? Mar 29 01:10:17 It's a point upgrade, so they wouldn't pull any API breaks anyway. Mar 29 01:10:36 somethings got to break - it wouldn't be an IT OS release without having to recompile everything! :) Mar 29 01:10:44 Though we'll see how the new update system goes. Mar 29 01:10:55 ah yes, that's been a long time coming... Mar 29 01:11:06 I'm pulling for some MicroB updates. Mar 29 01:11:22 I'd like improved GPS - it's utter pants here... Mar 29 01:11:23 Getting a newer revision of Gecko in there would really improve the performance. Mar 29 01:11:24 can we not post more bugs Mar 29 01:11:32 Hmm? Mar 29 01:11:35 whilst its in development things could get changed Mar 29 01:11:53 Post bugs whenever you want. Mar 29 01:11:55 may be an idea to head over and post some of the annoyances Mar 29 01:11:57 GeneralAntilles, browsers normally use Gecko's stable releases Mar 29 01:12:09 Fix the mental homescreen widgets by giving them optional dragability Mar 29 01:12:44 ability to hide everything would be nice Mar 29 01:12:45 yes, enter a layout mode and do your positioning Mar 29 01:12:45 MicroB is based on an alpha release. Mar 29 01:12:55 and to use alternative wms Mar 29 01:13:06 Modest as standard Mar 29 01:13:09 would be good Mar 29 01:13:20 It probably will Mar 29 01:13:51 It was on the in-house alpha/beta testing build Mar 29 01:14:00 KotCzarny: to hide everything, just hold the hard task switcher button down for like 1s Mar 29 01:14:14 or push it once, and select 'Home' Mar 29 01:14:36 or pull the battery. may lose data though Mar 29 01:14:40 navi: great, it needs more exposure - i see lots of maemo planet posts but i don't know how many are actually using it, not a lot i suspect (in relative terms) Mar 29 01:14:42 elb: elb, i mean status bar, menu bar, task bar Mar 29 01:14:43 etc Mar 29 01:14:58 KotCzarny, fullscreen mode? Mar 29 01:15:03 you want to hide it when you're not full screen? Mar 29 01:15:10 yup Mar 29 01:15:30 of course fixing long standing bugs rather than adding new whizzy features would be a really good idea(tm) - will it happen? doubt it Mar 29 01:15:32 but why? just goto fullscreen mode from the program you are in? Mar 29 01:15:37 no Mar 29 01:15:37 what would this accomplish? Mar 29 01:15:42 you don't understand Mar 29 01:15:47 it will be selective Mar 29 01:15:55 ie. someone don't likes status bar Mar 29 01:16:02 he turns it off in prefs Mar 29 01:16:11 ie. not everything at once Mar 29 01:16:23 but selectively ability to hide every widget Mar 29 01:17:39 ahhh now i see, but if you make those sections optional you must supply alternative means to get at them Mar 29 01:17:48 not really Mar 29 01:18:03 one can simply don't want some widget Mar 29 01:18:08 and doesn't need replacement Mar 29 01:18:19 it's up to him to choose what to do about it Mar 29 01:18:32 oh, I don't see that happening Mar 29 01:18:34 but there should be a choice Mar 29 01:18:37 that would change the contract with hildon apps Mar 29 01:18:40 I'm hoping flashless updates mean the bundled apps don't have to be tied to the firmware release cycles. Mar 29 01:18:47 technically, that should be configurable by the theme Mar 29 01:18:57 no, "technically", it isn't Mar 29 01:18:58 updates of the ether! Mar 29 01:18:59 elb: yeah, i'll install fluxbox sooner Mar 29 01:19:14 the Hildon UI dedicates specific screen space to those UI elements Mar 29 01:19:21 elb: one can make taskbar width==0 Mar 29 01:19:22 (without an overhaul of Hildon) Mar 29 01:19:24 no, i KNOW it isnt, but the theme should be able to specify location and sizing of elements Mar 29 01:19:37 but it's a hack Mar 29 01:20:11 we have been hacking since the beginning Mar 29 01:20:27 :) Mar 29 01:20:38 * KotCzarny compiles xmms-1.2.11 Mar 29 01:20:53 * lcuk writes a quick persist/restore pair Mar 29 01:34:10 hmm Mar 29 01:34:23 how to add arbitrary file to the deb package build? Mar 29 01:34:34 ie. that will be included in final package Mar 29 02:14:31 maybe i should create my own repository Mar 29 02:14:35 *evilgrin* Mar 29 02:15:03 what a great idea KotCzarny....do it Mar 29 02:15:49 5 minutes ago I couldn't connect to my AP.....now I can....this is fuckin' crazy **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 29 02:59:56 2008