**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 29 02:59:56 2008 Mar 29 03:11:23 umkay Mar 29 03:11:35 z-index bug in xmms found and hacked Mar 29 03:11:37 :) Mar 29 04:26:25 sup Mar 29 04:29:14 hey yaall Mar 29 04:38:41 http://maemo.org/maemo_training_material/maemo4.x/html/maemo_Getting_Started/images/very-important-piechart.png Mar 29 04:38:47 hehe Mar 29 04:46:50 only funny because of the image name :/ Mar 29 04:46:54 hi Mar 29 04:52:16 hy Mar 29 04:59:26 hi.. i just installed minimo from http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/ repo on my os2008 n800. it doesn't run. what could be wrong? Mar 29 05:00:24 anybody home? Mar 29 05:02:39 can someone hear me? Mar 29 05:03:34 there really is no point in install minimo on os2008, the browser is already gecko based Mar 29 05:05:38 Tester_: have you tried it? Mar 29 05:07:18 minimo, no Mar 29 05:17:57 then STFU Mar 29 05:21:39 nice, how old are you darx? 12 Mar 29 05:22:15 just in case anyone was wondering, the error was libdbus-1.so.2 missing, i fixed it by linking libdbus-1.so.3 to libdbus-1.so.2 Mar 29 05:25:38 xmms is the same winamp lol!? Mar 29 05:37:21 what's the latest version of xmms? Mar 29 06:06:07 xmms only works with x-terminal? Mar 29 06:20:21 what do you get in minimo? Mar 29 06:20:28 doesn't support add-ons, does it? Mar 29 06:20:36 I know it's all bullshit. Mar 29 06:20:48 I'm just tired of all these star wars. Mar 29 06:21:28 actually. Mar 29 06:21:33 xulrunner armel builds on maemo. Mar 29 06:21:40 xulrunner + touchscreen UI might be good. Mar 29 06:23:00 hrm, just wondering, has anyone played with matchbox's compositing manager? Mar 29 06:23:26 whether it could reduce the flickeryness with expose events switching apps etc Mar 29 06:24:02 msh: speaking of matchbox, how to make app to show in task navigator? Mar 29 06:24:22 no idea, sorry Mar 29 06:24:27 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18035 Mar 29 06:24:54 nice Mar 29 06:25:22 samsung? Mar 29 06:25:24 o.o Mar 29 06:29:07 maybe a UI for the Q Mar 29 06:31:45 is xmms only works with x-terminal? Mar 29 06:34:32 hellooooo Mar 29 07:08:27 anyone got an idea how to stop the windowmanager eithe rwith matchbox.sh or dsmetool? Mar 29 07:08:30 neither seem working... Mar 29 07:08:48 disable watchdog first? Mar 29 07:09:01 ah, hm Mar 29 07:09:10 I think dsme's what's restarting it though Mar 29 07:12:11 msh_: use 'source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop' Mar 29 07:26:46 msh: hmm, have you played with compositing on maemo? Mar 29 07:41:23 hmm Mar 29 07:41:27 xcompmgr works Mar 29 07:41:29 :) Mar 29 07:43:47 looks really nice Mar 29 07:43:48 mm Mar 29 08:26:17 morning Mar 29 08:35:11 moin allen Mar 29 08:40:04 mogguh BugBlue Mar 29 08:40:59 Morning, all Mar 29 08:41:13 Morning Mar 29 09:03:52 is there a way to get to see the framebuffer on bootup? so you can see where/what is failing and making the device autoreoobot? Mar 29 09:04:56 Not FB at all but : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=137088 Mar 29 09:05:30 FB driver fails to compile for me, I looked at the parts where it was failing and fixed it and my N800 wouldn't boot with that kernel :D Mar 29 09:06:10 hehe 'fixed' Mar 29 09:06:11 :) Mar 29 09:06:19 * KotCzarny is fixing xmms Mar 29 09:06:30 I thought the same thing :D but it compiled so there! :p :) Mar 29 09:06:58 :( something is killing it after the hand shake, so its fairly late on, but I have no way to know what it is right now. Lucky I have dual boot so I can try methods to debug what is wrong Mar 29 09:07:32 Use that thread I mentioned, IMHO, it seems like a init script if it is that far on. Mar 29 09:07:49 yeah, it looks like it might save me :) Mar 29 09:07:51 fanoush has code in there that will tell you which script is being executed. Mar 29 09:12:34 Does anybody know if you can get the extra information about software information at bootup when rd mode is enabled - without having rd mode turned on? I plan on reflashing fanoush's initfs. Fanoush mentions the show_rd_versions() function but is it enabled if rd mode isnt? Mar 29 09:13:02 i.e can you use the show_rd_versions function if rd mode is turned off? Mar 29 09:45:16 charmed, '/usr/bin/hildon-desktop ' spawning too fast -> reset Mar 29 09:45:34 :) Mar 29 09:45:38 in syslog. Not quite the easiest thing in the world to fix :/ Mar 29 09:46:03 eek Mar 29 09:46:23 and strangely google seems to know *nothing* about it. Mar 29 09:47:55 It's mentioned in that thread but you can start usb networking via initfs and boot into OS2008 with usb networking still on. You can also disable watchdog too. Mar 29 09:49:25 hmm, I guess the old remove some random service, or stop networking etc and see if hildon-desktop still death spawns routine might work Mar 29 09:49:59 still analysing the syslog to see if there is anything in there that might give hildon the shits Mar 29 09:50:30 it appears to even be bringing up the WPA2 AP, so its fairly much booted, just hildon-deskop keeps busy respawning Mar 29 09:50:53 install getty ? Mar 29 09:52:03 well, that might work, if I could get a non graphical default runlevel. Mar 29 09:52:06 I'm having a problem with nonworking rotation. I think it's because I flashed one of my testing kernels :(. I'll try the standard kernel with rotation jott has on his site. Mar 29 09:53:46 :) Mar 29 09:54:56 I don't think being in RD mode would affect the rotation :/ . Funny thing was, it was working for me fine before I had to reflash :( Mar 29 09:59:52 w00t, it's my b0ll0x kernel! Time to delete my kernel tree and start over Mar 29 10:27:37 are the normal maemo repositories accessible via ftp? it seems that without hildon-desktop the other system boots OK, but is quite useless because of no GUI. Mar 29 10:27:50 no, only http Mar 29 10:27:53 I might try an older hildon-desktop pkg to see if i can get it running again Mar 29 10:28:01 You could grab links? Mar 29 10:28:13 IIRC there was something hildon-ish that was updated earler in the day Mar 29 10:34:42 * monkeyiq installs http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.0.6-1_armel.deb and crosses fingers. Mar 29 10:35:32 I guess I did play around with the structure of the menu entries with the GUI today too... just had to make it nice and easy to use. Mar 29 10:35:39 nup, the beep and reboot! Mar 29 10:36:15 looks like I might have to shelve the n810 for a while until I can commit to redoing all the setup work again :/ Mar 29 10:36:34 or a new hildon-desktop pkg becomes available. Mar 29 10:36:45 1 Mar 29 10:36:49 why not a simple reflash? Mar 29 10:37:11 modify bootmenu.sh to enable the option to let you boot with usb networking enabled, disable watchdog and when hildon desktop hangs - kill it and run it yourself and see what the output is. Mar 29 10:37:18 a bit long though Mar 29 10:37:35 well, I can boot of the 256mb card just fine, its all the setup / tweaking I did on the install on the immc2 card that I can't boot into :( Mar 29 10:37:42 :) Mar 29 10:37:58 then copy hildon-desktop from mmc? Mar 29 10:38:27 well, as I just reinstalled hildon-desktop from a deb inside a chroot I imagine that it is fine Mar 29 10:38:35 just that it crashes itself for some reason Mar 29 10:38:57 qwerty12; ok, I'll tag that as a final ray of light :) Mar 29 10:39:29 it's always these sorts of things that happen just before you tar.gz immc2 for safekeeping :/ Mar 29 10:40:00 I know what you mean, I'm sorting out a new install :( Mar 29 10:40:11 I ran rm -rf / by accident and I'm reinstalling apps etc... :( Mar 29 11:24:54 Anyone tried Python-Launcher with Python apps on OS2008 yet? Mar 29 11:25:15 I did, works quite well Mar 29 11:25:41 Canola launches faster imo Mar 29 11:29:38 thanks for your feedback and stuff in the itt gaming qwerty12 Mar 29 11:29:55 pupnik: i have fixed xmms here and there :) Mar 29 11:29:56 it's a strange world, only like 20 people on earth interested in the games Mar 29 11:30:04 has anyone seen my vmware desktop session? i had it last night but now its gone. Mar 29 11:30:14 it's my birthday and i am very drunk Mar 29 11:30:17 pupnik_: No problem, thanks for appricating :) Mar 29 11:30:19 lol Mar 29 11:30:22 Happy Birthday! :) Mar 29 11:30:27 you shouldn't drink Mar 29 11:30:28 :) Mar 29 11:30:29 good for you pupnik :) enjoy the drunkeness Mar 29 11:30:51 crazy things happened, i won't share them Mar 29 11:30:54 (and the gaming is good, it might not seen it now but your effort is very worthy ) Mar 29 11:31:03 but one must appreciate crazy days Mar 29 11:31:16 Haha Mar 29 11:31:22 Happy birthday, pupnik_. Mar 29 11:32:32 * lcuk recalls searching google for porn and generating some code then falling asleep Mar 29 11:32:52 (!) kot, it was your fault Mar 29 11:32:57 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 29 11:33:02 it's not me Mar 29 11:33:07 it's the tubes Mar 29 11:33:07 lol :D Mar 29 11:33:11 it bloody was you i just scrolled back Mar 29 11:33:11 I woke up sleeping on my N800 this morning. Mar 29 11:33:21 ^ perv Mar 29 11:33:23 wet wipes get it clean again Mar 29 11:33:25 (and idiot) Mar 29 11:33:26 :) Mar 29 11:33:41 Haha lol, i'm a perv by name ;) :P not by nature :P :D Mar 29 11:33:44 I think I only got about a quarter of the way through the Lexx episode I was watching. Mar 29 11:33:54 which series are you up to Mar 29 11:34:03 Second season Mar 29 11:34:21 I saw most of them when they were on SciFi back in the day. Mar 29 11:34:26 But I was young and I don't remember. Mar 29 11:34:39 still got zev then, or has xev replaced her Mar 29 11:34:57 She was replaced. Mar 29 11:35:16 * lcuk prefered the original Mar 29 11:35:17 Zev only got 2 episodes in season 2. Mar 29 11:36:04 Yeah, I do too. Mar 29 11:38:57 * qwerty12 hates rotation patch :@. I'm having problems with the kernel patch. This is my 6th compile in 30 mins. Wish me luck :D Mar 29 11:39:08 qwerty: what problems? Mar 29 11:39:51 The rotation sometimes works and sometimes messes up (screen stays landscape) but it rotates right without any screen update etc Mar 29 11:39:59 I think its my recent flash. Mar 29 11:40:41 Another guy had the same problem and reflashed the N800 but I just reflashed mine yesterday and don't want to do that again. Mar 29 11:41:01 Same kernel that worked for me previously has problems on this flash. Mar 29 11:41:25 have you installed anything else or restored your backup Mar 29 11:41:54 * GeneralAntilles hopes Diablo is coming next week, then qwerty12 is gonna have to do it all over again. :P Mar 29 11:42:01 I've just installed games and no backup restored. Its working for me now but I'm gonna reboot and try again :) Mar 29 11:42:11 General: You are cruel :P :D Mar 29 11:42:12 lol Mar 29 11:42:23 not cruel, just a sadist Mar 29 11:42:27 Not cruel! We'll have Diablo. :] Mar 29 11:42:32 zaclty Mar 29 11:42:57 True, but I don't think it will be just me who has to reinstall :p Mar 29 11:43:04 Jaffa, what was up with the VOB access, anyway. My mplayer being stupid again? :P Mar 29 11:43:37 GeneralAntilles: no, user error - but I've made it smarter so it detects you're accessing a VOB directly and switches to considering it as a whole DVD Mar 29 11:44:07 Nope, rotation is messing me around again, it works randomly. I guess I have to live with it. Mar 29 11:44:30 Randomly was about how well it worked for me when I tried it. Mar 29 11:45:18 For me, I had problems but the screen would always rotate in my last flash. I guess I can live without it :/ Mar 29 11:45:26 qwerty: wanna test my kernel? Mar 29 11:45:27 :) Mar 29 11:45:40 I don't mind but what features does it have? :) Mar 29 11:45:45 hmm Mar 29 11:45:53 mmc patch and rotate for sure Mar 29 11:46:00 were there any others? Mar 29 11:46:28 TBH, I'm not trying to put your work down but fanoush's kernel also has them too :) Mar 29 11:46:36 probably Mar 29 11:46:37 :) Mar 29 11:46:50 but i have compiled some modules for me Mar 29 11:47:07 so i needed it anyway Mar 29 11:47:07 :) Mar 29 11:48:26 :). For me, my one has the features of Fanoush's (due to him releasing the patches with the latest release of his :) (backlight, PPTP, MMC & rotation) & the usb powercheck disabled & USB DMA disabled & LUKS support enabled. Mar 29 11:48:57 backlight? luks? Mar 29 11:48:58 :) Mar 29 11:49:16 and usb powercheck sounds dangerous :) Mar 29 11:50:22 The full 128 brightness being enabled in kernel :), LUKS is the Linux Encryption (Standard?) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742&highlight=LUKS Mar 29 11:50:27 I agree with you :) Mar 29 11:50:40 No point doing brightness in kernel Mar 29 11:50:44 just use adv-backlight Mar 29 11:50:49 hmm, and default is how much? Mar 29 11:50:59 because i have adv-backlight statusbar plugin Mar 29 11:51:02 that does the same Mar 29 11:51:03 :) Mar 29 11:51:04 I like adv-backlight but I quite like using blset too Mar 29 11:51:10 I think they do the same TBH Mar 29 11:51:19 They do do the same. Mar 29 11:51:27 But you don't have to open up an xterm to use adv-backlight. :P Mar 29 11:51:47 True :D Mar 29 11:51:52 and luks is for what? Mar 29 11:52:02 Encryption: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15742&highlight=LUKS Mar 29 11:52:03 ah, sorry Mar 29 11:52:12 haven't seen it :) Mar 29 11:52:14 Although you can use truecrypt too :) Mar 29 11:52:15 : Mar 29 11:52:18 *:) Mar 29 11:52:48 The fun thing is with kernel patch, you can set brightness to 0! Making it impossible to see your devices screen! W00T! :D Mar 29 11:53:12 heh.. Mar 29 11:53:18 i don't know if it's a feature.. Mar 29 11:53:19 ;) Mar 29 11:53:30 It's not a bug, I tell you! Mar 29 11:53:35 You can do that with adv-backlight, too. :P Mar 29 11:53:35 yeah.. Mar 29 11:53:39 Just not on the N800. Mar 29 11:53:41 Since it's smart. Mar 29 11:53:58 disco backlight? Mar 29 11:53:59 ;) Mar 29 11:54:01 Yeah, I took out my battery when I set it on 0 for fun >.< Mar 29 11:54:07 Haha Mar 29 11:54:13 I did it once or twice on accident. Mar 29 11:54:37 i should write a xmms plugin for that Mar 29 11:54:41 Pressing d-pad up twice and sending one of the prior settings worked out OK, though. Mar 29 11:54:42 or at least for dpad led Mar 29 11:54:43 :) Mar 29 11:54:56 I have a bad habit from my SonyEricsson times of taking out the battery Mar 29 11:55:20 but you will have to discharge it to ~40% first Mar 29 11:55:21 :) Mar 29 11:58:31 qwerty: make a truecrypt volume inside luks Mar 29 11:58:34 ;) Mar 29 11:58:54 I haven't got round to setting up a luks partition yet :p :D Mar 29 11:59:25 hmm Mar 29 11:59:56 having fingerprint and/or face password app could be nice too :> Mar 29 12:00:28 I wouldn't like to try out a face pwd app with the N800 camera... :p Mar 29 12:00:52 why, it will only take removing colour Mar 29 12:00:58 :) Mar 29 12:01:57 Nice :) Mar 29 12:02:00 But I'm not really a fan of the camera on the N800. I don't use my N800 for video calls and I bring out my phone for pictures. Mar 29 12:02:10 death, impregnation Mar 29 12:02:36 pupnik: you are the father? Mar 29 12:02:37 :) Mar 29 12:02:40 Just some of the crazy things you experienced on your Birthday? :D Mar 29 12:05:44 qwerty: i have realized that it will be my music box :> Mar 29 12:05:55 xmms + mikmod/sidplay Mar 29 12:05:56 :) Mar 29 12:06:42 Cool :). Isn't mikmod & sidplay for music of old games or something? Excuse my ignorance. Mar 29 12:06:48 yup Mar 29 12:07:34 but handles mp3/ogg/mpc as well Mar 29 12:07:35 :) Mar 29 12:07:38 Oh ok :) Mar 29 12:13:42 http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/sys/622714155.html Mar 29 12:13:43 huh Mar 29 12:13:56 i think i'll hold on to my n800 though Mar 29 12:13:59 :) Mar 29 12:14:02 Atari = ugly :p Mar 29 12:14:25 8080 based portable :> Mar 29 12:14:35 yes, but the folie is over 15 years old Mar 29 12:14:40 folio Mar 29 12:14:59 i'm even older than folio Mar 29 12:15:04 :) Mar 29 12:15:52 well we kind of noticed you were a bit of a fossil :P Mar 29 12:16:13 pf :P Mar 29 12:20:04 I'm trying to package commoncpp2 into a .deb for a special arch (within scratchbox, for armel), but when I use dpkg-buildpackage I only get a .deb that has the docs, nothing else... Any pointers ? Mar 29 12:22:26 does a commoncpp2 .deb package exist for debian/ubuntu? Mar 29 12:22:36 if yes you can steal debian/ subdir Mar 29 12:22:37 :) Mar 29 12:29:31 http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/ Mar 29 12:29:33 mmm, pie Mar 29 12:38:39 KotCzarny, hmm... Mar 29 12:38:43 KotCzarny, awesome idea ! Mar 29 12:42:08 does the n810 support a2dp? Mar 29 12:42:45 Not fully Mar 29 12:42:47 I think Mar 29 12:42:50 hm, good question Mar 29 12:42:53 too bad Mar 29 12:43:04 Apparently it doesn't work too well Mar 29 12:43:14 Yes Mar 29 12:43:17 But it's a CPU hog Mar 29 12:43:23 So you can't really do anything else while you're using it. Mar 29 12:44:49 is it by nature a cpu hog? or are there code optimizations that could address that to some degree? Mar 29 12:46:53 It's pretty much a CPU hog no matter what Mar 29 12:47:02 But there are a lot of optimizations that can (and are) being done. Mar 29 12:47:24 hm, too bad Mar 29 12:48:17 just picked up a parrot rk8200 car stereo and am hoping to get my music off the n810 digitally while still being able to use gps Mar 29 12:48:19 KotCzarny, it's a shame though, existent .deb only incorporate the debian/control file, and not the debian/rules, which is probably the one where something goes wrong Mar 29 12:48:25 could've been really cool with such a thing: http://www.laptopmag.com/review/accessories/plantronics-voyager-855.aspx Mar 29 12:48:42 crashanddie: then look for source Mar 29 12:48:59 Optimizations are ongoing Mar 29 12:49:01 KotCzarny, d'you think the source will have the control file ? Mar 29 12:49:03 The INdT guys are doing a lot Mar 29 12:49:06 yes Mar 29 12:49:06 AD2P is on the roadmap Mar 29 12:49:08 certainly Mar 29 12:49:18 get all 3 files Mar 29 12:49:20 Nokia wont bundle it until it gets somewhat optimized. Mar 29 12:49:29 and do dpkg-source -x somefile.dsc Mar 29 12:49:50 that will unpack and patch original source with debian specific stuff Mar 29 12:49:59 which include debian/ dir Mar 29 12:50:10 KotCzarny, thanks Mar 29 12:50:24 hm, the INdT stuff is a hacked Nokia firmware? Mar 29 12:50:25 I've been out of the loop to some degree, is there an expectation that they're going to kick hildon to the curb and go with a qt based platform? Mar 29 12:50:53 dick-richardson: ew :P Mar 29 12:50:56 i would prefer gtk2 :/ Mar 29 12:51:01 qt is a mem hog Mar 29 12:51:08 (so is gtk2) Mar 29 12:51:23 * aquatix likes the looks of gtk2 progs better generally Mar 29 12:51:25 no point in buying trolltech if they arent gonna do anything with it Mar 29 12:51:26 and the applications Mar 29 12:51:41 but i dont expect things to change overnight Mar 29 12:51:41 lcuk: that's my thought... Mar 29 12:51:57 :/ Mar 29 12:52:24 it's unlikely they'll change the complete environment suddenly Mar 29 12:52:35 who know Mar 29 12:52:36 s Mar 29 12:52:41 maybe they'll start creating smartphone with it first Mar 29 12:52:45 wouldn't mind that Mar 29 12:52:58 multimedia phones and such Mar 29 12:53:05 starting from scratch is sometimes better Mar 29 12:53:06 :) Mar 29 12:53:48 yeah Mar 29 12:53:53 Nokia Greenphone :) Mar 29 12:55:21 I presume installing gdb on the 810 is the best way to get a backtrace? Mar 29 12:55:53 aquatix, mamona is the all-free SDK/firmware, but it really doesn't have anything to do with their AD2P stuff. Mar 29 12:56:15 hmm, does gdb work? Mar 29 12:56:17 dick-richardson, anything about Qt or Hildon and the future is pure speculation right now. Mar 29 12:56:26 last time i tried copying it from scratchbox it failed Mar 29 12:56:42 We know Qt WILL play a part at some point in the future (Quim and others have said as much), but we really don't know anything more. Mar 29 12:56:57 well I have it at the point where I can run hildon-dekstop and it segvs on me Mar 29 12:57:08 so I'd like to be able to get a hint as to why. Mar 29 12:57:18 strace ? Mar 29 12:57:23 maybe it's just a missing file Mar 29 13:00:29 yay, raise() in libc after ?? Mar 29 13:00:35 seems quite stack smashish Mar 29 13:01:37 I'll see if strace has any thoughts Mar 29 13:02:30 before i run this and have a rogue pointer on my hands, is this the correct syntax to use a char * as a short, and will the pointer actually advance 2 bytes or just 1? : *(unsigned short *)buffer++ = xyz; Mar 29 13:02:52 erm Mar 29 13:03:04 sounds like portability hell Mar 29 13:03:06 :> Mar 29 13:03:31 im not interested in portability, this is in an 8x0 specific class :) Mar 29 13:03:52 someone will scream over this one day Mar 29 13:03:53 :) Mar 29 13:04:09 I'm not sure about the precedence of ++ versus a cast Mar 29 13:04:16 you should probably make that explicit Mar 29 13:04:24 no they wont because the class will have been replaced with device specifics. elb, thats what i am wondering also Mar 29 13:04:35 I would break that into two lines, even Mar 29 13:04:41 there's no sense in getting too clever Mar 29 13:04:57 (that is, the dereference and the advance Mar 29 13:04:58 ) Mar 29 13:05:01 but the optimiser wont update it, buffer is a register variable and i wanted to keep it as one opcode Mar 29 13:05:40 is this premature optimization? Mar 29 13:06:04 well this is inside a blit routine which is already being heavily optimised.. Mar 29 13:06:12 and strace gives nothing interesting either. Mar 29 13:06:44 ill do a bit of checking Mar 29 13:06:45 so, maybe there are hardware issues here or something. but hildon-desktop doesn't get far at all before segv Mar 29 13:07:04 I would at least do *((unsigned short *)buffer)++ Mar 29 13:08:53 my general rule on precedence is "if I have to look it up, make it explicit" ;-) Mar 29 13:08:59 because the next guy will probably have to look it up, too Mar 29 13:09:33 ++ comes after the cast Mar 29 13:09:34 crashanddie: Error: "+" is not a valid command. Mar 29 13:09:47 but yeah, explicit isn't bad Mar 29 13:12:51 elb :) thx - you are right, i just thought the dereference would not update the actual variable, but now I have seen what you put you are 100% and thats how i used to do it Mar 29 13:13:14 (i just tested by the way and the ++ was going up by a single byte) Mar 29 13:14:15 boo: liqstars.c:47: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated ;) Mar 29 13:14:24 works tho Mar 29 13:16:37 * lcuk reads up and changes tact :) Mar 29 13:16:56 * lcuk puts original nice code back for now Mar 29 13:18:43 why is your variable a register variable, by the way? Mar 29 13:19:08 if it's not tied to a specific register for specific purposes, the compiler is almost certainly better at assigning registers than the programmer Mar 29 13:19:09 because it is much faster that way Mar 29 13:19:31 not tied to a specific, just a hint that it should be on a register Mar 29 13:19:41 yeah, you probably simply shouldn't do that Mar 29 13:20:35 its just the same kind of hint as inline Mar 29 13:20:37 unless you've proven that the compiler makes a poorer choice for that particular function empirically, in which case you'll want to reverify that with every release of the compiler to see when it gets better than you are Mar 29 13:21:28 inline is *in practicality* a different kind of hint, because gcc has not until recently done much inter-function optimization, or any inter-object optimization at all Mar 29 13:21:41 (this is changing, and I expect inline to go the way of the dodo) Mar 29 13:22:28 but i dont want to have to verify every fudging compiler that i might ever compile against and i know 100% that the few variables i have must under best case scenario be held on a register. Mar 29 13:22:55 the register flag is there for me to give the compiler that hint so i will leave it in Mar 29 13:23:41 (at least think very hard about why you "know" that, and whether it's actually true) Mar 29 13:24:44 i KNOW that because pushing and popping a decrementing counter of the stack is orders of magnitude slower than using the reg. come on im not stupid, im inside a blit loop there is nothing wrong with it Mar 29 13:24:45 do not think, test Mar 29 13:24:53 erm. wrong Mar 29 13:24:57 think and test :) Mar 29 13:25:01 i have done Mar 29 13:25:05 LOTS of tests Mar 29 13:25:49 :) Mar 29 13:26:15 if supplying 'register' truly helps, emprically, you probably should file a bug against the gcc optimizers Mar 29 13:26:24 (it's quite possible that the ARM optimizer is simply bad) Mar 29 13:27:25 lcuk: gcc autooptimizing too? Mar 29 13:27:39 i have written hundreds of functions in this little program and i have chosen 1 single function to use register, stop berating me i'm just sprinkling on the special sauce Mar 29 13:28:22 I'm not berating you at all Mar 29 13:28:40 in fact, I don't know anything about you or your program Mar 29 13:28:56 what I *do* know is that virtually al luses of the keyword 'register' do nothing but hinder the compiler Mar 29 13:29:02 some compilers even ignore it, because of this Mar 29 13:29:33 I've not done anything but suggest that you check your assumptions -- if you're truly confident in them, you should not feel threatened :-P Mar 29 13:30:07 http://pastebin.com/d1a1784b1 Mar 29 13:31:00 giving every single variable in the function a register is almost certainly not productive :-P Mar 29 13:31:00 ~it's a kind of magic~ Mar 29 13:31:03 ~lalala~ Mar 29 13:31:25 elb, why not - i have quite a few available to me unless i am using thumb Mar 29 13:31:56 if i dumbed it down to assembler it would be an all reg function Mar 29 13:33:18 anyway, the best part was what I just removed from the pastebin: 4 lines of: unsigned int dummyslowdown =linecount*srclinejump+dstlinejump-*srcdataptr+dummystore; Mar 29 13:33:35 Kot: Quick q please, in your it talk sig, you say bootloader, do you mean you flashed a custom or something? :) Mar 29 13:33:53 qwerty: no, just a fanoush bootmenu Mar 29 13:33:54 :) Mar 29 13:34:25 i can change it if it confuses you :) Mar 29 13:35:26 Kot: ok lol, my bad :) Mar 29 13:36:31 I have the most pointless bootmenu set up lol Mar 29 13:36:40 one entry? Mar 29 13:36:41 :) Mar 29 13:37:28 No, lots of entries for partitions I don't have lol, I use it for showing owner info Mar 29 13:37:31 :) Mar 29 13:37:43 huh :) Mar 29 13:37:48 nice idea :) Mar 29 13:38:00 I need to make changes for rd mode though :/ Mar 29 13:38:04 Thanks :) Mar 29 13:38:20 does flashing with nokias image remove bootmenu? Mar 29 13:38:22 VERY nice idea Mar 29 13:38:27 I stole the idea from Rodrigo though :D Mar 29 13:38:31 alternatively, you could just change the boot picture Mar 29 13:38:51 no, bootmenu clears the extended rd mode info Mar 29 13:38:52 lcuk: or desktop wallpaper? Mar 29 13:39:30 qwerty: so it's not that easy to remove too ;) Mar 29 13:40:20 :), when you say image, do you mean .bin? Mar 29 13:40:35 yes Mar 29 13:40:40 fiasco image Mar 29 13:40:46 or whatever it's called Mar 29 13:40:59 * lcuk makes a retinal scan program to ensure authorized users only Mar 29 13:41:11 oh, yes reflashing bin image onto flash also reflashes initfs :( Mar 29 13:41:40 * WormFood removed lcuk's eye to bypass his retinal scan program ;) Mar 29 13:42:06 my eyes! the nokia, it does nothing Mar 29 13:42:07 then i guess the only face way is to engrave on the case :) Mar 29 13:42:16 erm Mar 29 13:42:20 s/face/safe/ Mar 29 13:42:27 i should really go to sleep Mar 29 13:42:55 but i wouldnt wanna buy a nokia with your name on it Mar 29 13:42:58 go to sleep? what time is it there? Mar 29 13:43:18 lcuk: why should you, it's mine! all mine! mauauhahahaha!1!!1! Mar 29 13:44:01 Kot: hehe true Mar 29 13:44:02 any device i own with a camera I take a picture of my information. my actual camera download&clear program actually re-uploads this info card everytime i clear the memory card Mar 29 13:44:12 just change your name to "nokia", then they all have your name ;) Mar 29 13:44:56 i don't really fancy naming my self after a Finnish town :p Mar 29 13:45:20 and people will keep picking you up and trying to find your SIM slot Mar 29 13:45:40 qwerty12_N800, I'm in china...you should see some of the "english" names people give themselves Mar 29 13:46:08 I met a woman named "aney", and another named "tramy" (which is too close to "tranny") Mar 29 13:46:13 lcuk:I don't want to be analYsed... Mar 29 13:46:19 wf: lol Mar 29 13:46:55 fu king Mar 29 13:46:56 :) Mar 29 13:47:07 actual city Mar 29 13:47:10 :) Mar 29 13:47:23 whole province even Mar 29 13:47:26 bangkok, anyone? :p Mar 29 13:47:43 a whole f****** province!? :P Mar 29 13:47:50 WormFood: comparable to WormFood, I'd say =) Mar 29 13:47:57 the name of the city I'm in is "广州" Mar 29 13:48:12 old chinese proverb: "man who walks through airport doors sideways is going to bangkok" Mar 29 13:48:20 hahaah Mar 29 13:48:39 lol Mar 29 13:48:45 :) Mar 29 13:49:00 do you know how "bangkok" got its name? Mar 29 13:49:07 it is not called "the city of whores" for nothing Mar 29 13:50:39 actually, according to wikipedia its called "Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Yuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit " Mar 29 13:50:43 I understand that when (if) I go back to usa, they will want to search my computer and any CD/DVDs....so I want to get a CD of the most disgusting pictures I can find, and label it "Thailand sex vacation" for the authorities to look at Mar 29 13:50:46 which is a bit of a mouthful Mar 29 13:50:50 lmao Mar 29 13:51:19 mouthful, yes, thx Mar 29 13:51:21 :) Mar 29 13:52:10 WormFood, you would most likely be rejected from entering. but that kind of thinking is what is needed to show how silly this is Mar 29 13:52:57 "silly"? it is an invasion of my privacy Mar 29 13:53:10 I will encrypt my hard drive several times over before I go back to usa Mar 29 13:53:55 they can already search every other part of your luggage, they think they can search everything else Mar 29 13:54:06 you might be hiding a midget vampire in your case Mar 29 13:54:30 I actually have more freedoms in China! Mar 29 13:54:32 bag of nuts Mar 29 13:54:37 I was not searched when I went to china! Mar 29 13:54:39 no, you don't Mar 29 13:54:43 I was not searched when I went to Hong Kong Mar 29 13:54:52 I was not searched when I went back to China! Mar 29 13:55:07 They might censor my internet, but I have more privacy here Mar 29 13:55:10 hmm hmm Mar 29 13:55:13 lol Mar 29 13:55:28 does anyone have a build of Tor for maemo? Mar 29 13:55:32 they dont censor ALL of your internet though :) Mar 29 13:55:37 WormFood: if you encrypt, they will insist on you entering the pw's Mar 29 13:55:44 that's the whole issue Mar 29 13:55:47 I won't have the passwords Mar 29 13:55:51 astorm: proxy over ssl is enough Mar 29 13:55:52 :) Mar 29 13:55:54 * aquatix isn't going to visit US anytime soon Mar 29 13:55:55 they can get a decrypt with a legit court order Mar 29 13:56:00 (ie. ssh forwarding) Mar 29 13:56:01 aquatix: no prob, truecrypt has two partitions Mar 29 13:56:07 AStorm: true :) Mar 29 13:56:11 uhm, hidden partition Mar 29 13:56:20 deniable thingee Mar 29 13:56:22 and you can use a key on usb Mar 29 13:56:24 whatsitcaleld :/ Mar 29 13:56:28 and destroy it Mar 29 13:56:31 but you talking about it here means you know about it Mar 29 13:56:34 rubber hose encryption Mar 29 13:56:39 I'll just stay out of the country... to risky for an opinionated non-native Mar 29 13:56:41 just drop and step on it Mar 29 13:56:46 use a flimsy one Mar 29 13:56:56 Lynoure: :) Mar 29 13:57:02 pocket emp Mar 29 13:57:03 :) Mar 29 13:57:07 AStorm: `woopsie' Mar 29 13:57:12 encryption shows you have something to hide. now place your hands against the wall and spread em - i'll go get my gloves Mar 29 13:57:19 KotCzarny: that'll put you in jail i guess ;) Mar 29 13:57:24 `terrorist!' Mar 29 13:57:29 in the uk they CAN put you in jail Mar 29 13:57:34 there are a lot of reasons to have something to hide, other than doing something wrong Mar 29 13:57:36 yeah Mar 29 13:57:39 they can Mar 29 13:57:39 aquatix: made from disposable camera :) Mar 29 13:57:45 decide quickly: give up your pass codes or go down Mar 29 13:57:46 KotCzarny: yeah, saw them Mar 29 13:57:51 but you can say: my key got destroyed Mar 29 13:57:58 by investigation Mar 29 13:58:02 or 'it's not mine' Mar 29 13:58:06 simple deathtrap Mar 29 13:58:07 no, thats worse Mar 29 13:58:12 I will burn a few DVDs of random data for them to mull over too ;) Mar 29 13:58:26 lcuk: you didn't destroy it Mar 29 13:58:28 never carry someone elses luggage over the border Mar 29 13:58:29 they did Mar 29 13:58:33 yup Mar 29 13:58:52 'airlines misplaced them!' Mar 29 13:59:02 copy everything over ssh to a drive in usa, then erase your hard drive ;) Mar 29 13:59:03 KotCzarny: that won't work Mar 29 13:59:09 maybe i'll just wave my government id and say `state secrets, move along' ;) Mar 29 13:59:11 they keep exact books Mar 29 13:59:29 aquatix: haha, not everyone has that Mar 29 13:59:33 AStorm: or `loose' your usb key Mar 29 13:59:37 AStorm: i know ;) Mar 29 13:59:45 aquatix: lost can be found Mar 29 13:59:51 I won't have a key on me Mar 29 13:59:52 and i'm just a lousy peon anyway Mar 29 13:59:56 destroyed is very hard to recover Mar 29 13:59:58 my key will be on another machine Mar 29 14:00:05 ah, well i can simply send key to someone in another country Mar 29 14:00:08 WormFood: good idea Mar 29 14:00:14 linked machines Mar 29 14:00:14 'i don't know the pass, sorry' Mar 29 14:00:15 :) Mar 29 14:00:16 WormFood: yeah, `i don't have the key on me, my company has it' Mar 29 14:00:29 or something Mar 29 14:00:30 exactly! "I do not know the key!" Mar 29 14:00:34 selfdestruct if link is broken Mar 29 14:00:38 deniability Mar 29 14:00:50 and pass isn'tt entered in x seconds Mar 29 14:01:01 they will just remove the hard drive and copy it Mar 29 14:01:04 but they arent running code Mar 29 14:01:21 the way to get around that is to encrypt the hard drive several times Mar 29 14:01:22 well - the tsa guys will be doing for efficiency Mar 29 14:01:22 custom hdd firmware? Mar 29 14:01:22 :) Mar 29 14:01:36 when they find out, it's too late Mar 29 14:01:46 KotCzarny: pendrive is more secure Mar 29 14:01:51 easier to destroy Mar 29 14:02:01 and much harder to recover Mar 29 14:02:03 harddrives are easy to destroy too Mar 29 14:02:06 there is no way they have custom equipment able to strip and connect every computer that comes through the border and connect its drive. for instance the n8x0 - how would they extract the drive to run it standalone? Mar 29 14:02:06 nah Mar 29 14:02:15 'don't push the cover' Mar 29 14:02:16 ;) Mar 29 14:02:29 KotCzarny: blah, mechanically Mar 29 14:02:36 you need a press for that Mar 29 14:02:41 Somebody needs to go trout walloping at the TSA. Mar 29 14:02:46 Security theater is so awesome. Mar 29 14:02:51 :) Mar 29 14:03:04 pendrive only needs a boot Mar 29 14:03:16 nah Mar 29 14:03:22 the chip is very easy to destroy Mar 29 14:03:30 you won't be able to boot Mar 29 14:03:33 :) Mar 29 14:03:46 to drop and step on ot in 2 s' I will. Mar 29 14:03:59 'blah, mechanically' Mar 29 14:04:00 ;) Mar 29 14:04:01 use a james bond usb pendrive watch :) Mar 29 14:04:07 hehe Mar 29 14:04:14 It's amazing how all of a society's stupid people amass themselves in government. Mar 29 14:04:20 nah, normal flimsy tiny pendrive works Mar 29 14:04:28 and people want to give government more power. <_< Mar 29 14:04:30 they arent gonna be checking the ram inside every single piece of equipment, there simply isnt enough time Mar 29 14:04:35 GeneralAntilles: it's a law of incompetence Mar 29 14:04:47 lcuk: there is Mar 29 14:04:50 hiding data in cmos? Mar 29 14:04:50 ;) Mar 29 14:04:54 downloading the data from EVERY ipod or cd or drive will take forever Mar 29 14:05:00 it's actually quick to check Mar 29 14:05:10 KotCzarny: too hard to remove Mar 29 14:05:11 lcuk: having badblocks is fun too Mar 29 14:05:11 is it bollocks, data bus wont handle it Mar 29 14:05:12 ;) Mar 29 14:05:19 lol kot :D Mar 29 14:05:28 lcuk: hm, they'll get free music that way though ;) Mar 29 14:05:36 and completely and totally pointless. Mar 29 14:05:52 they'll just scan the files Mar 29 14:05:54 so i walk in with my camera which has a memory card in it, they would check it and look through my photos, would they know to remove the card and check the internal memory? Mar 29 14:05:55 I'm in favor of just opening the borders wide. Mar 29 14:05:58 for anything suspicious Mar 29 14:06:06 btw, steganography is fun Mar 29 14:06:07 lcuk: good point Mar 29 14:06:11 With the understanding that people who immigrate illegally don't get any government support. Mar 29 14:06:12 AStorm: indeed! Mar 29 14:06:15 no, not sten, just internal memory Mar 29 14:06:29 so is keyfile of some uhsuspicious file Mar 29 14:06:32 lcuk: if they knew you can be the one Mar 29 14:06:41 they will strip you of everything Mar 29 14:06:42 :> Mar 29 14:06:47 so TSA are now experts on EVERY piece of hardware Mar 29 14:06:52 and knowledgable people will take over Mar 29 14:06:52 :) Mar 29 14:06:55 yup Mar 29 14:07:02 TSA are experts on everything. Mar 29 14:07:14 dram is getting harder and harder to uncover data from Mar 29 14:07:23 too high refresh rate Mar 29 14:07:24 yer right. they will peek at the laptops and fondle the ipods and look on the cameras but nothing more than a cursory glance Mar 29 14:07:36 maybe Mar 29 14:07:46 simply not enough knowledge in the world Mar 29 14:07:47 they have automated tools for that Mar 29 14:08:15 for what? extracting data? get me one of those computers because it would be a dream Mar 29 14:08:20 no Mar 29 14:08:24 for scanning data Mar 29 14:08:41 e.g. grab a list of jpegs Mar 29 14:08:43 but how can they scan for data they dont know is there? i already said they will look where they know Mar 29 14:08:49 usually it's a human that's the weakest link Mar 29 14:08:57 so they won't have to scan your electronics Mar 29 14:08:57 :) Mar 29 14:09:00 or look for certain md5 Mar 29 14:09:11 only scan your background Mar 29 14:09:13 (e.g. known child porn) Mar 29 14:09:13 ;) Mar 29 14:09:16 :P Mar 29 14:09:28 software scanning with data they find is one thing, but they will not know to look in every device Mar 29 14:09:29 simple and efficient Mar 29 14:09:38 they will know Mar 29 14:09:49 they're now scanning everything Mar 29 14:09:55 what if you take your own pictures? Mar 29 14:09:56 at least here Mar 29 14:09:59 how can they scan for that? Mar 29 14:09:59 eavasedropping? Mar 29 14:10:00 :> Mar 29 14:10:04 they found stuff on a camera Mar 29 14:10:04 thats the point, they can't know. there is not a single system in the world that will tell them where all the memory chips are and how to access them Mar 29 14:10:06 that is what they are looking for (or one of the things) Mar 29 14:10:16 micro sd up to anus? ;) Mar 29 14:10:16 lol: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/21956/bb188b0c/poolse_barbie_doet_haar_rijles.html Mar 29 14:10:32 [polish girl doing her driving lessons] Mar 29 14:10:34 * lcuk wont look at any links today Mar 29 14:10:35 anima: fun idea, but too easy to lose Mar 29 14:10:54 aquatix: I guess it's old Mar 29 14:11:10 astorm: i saw that :) Mar 29 14:11:18 astorm: do you know 'koperta' ? Mar 29 14:11:19 ;) Mar 29 14:11:27 :P Mar 29 14:11:28 anima: right, yet another reason for them to do a cavity search... Mar 29 14:11:35 erm. s/astorm/aquatix/ Mar 29 14:11:43 cavity search is a known location for lots of contraband Mar 29 14:11:49 yup Mar 29 14:12:00 better saw the SD under skin Mar 29 14:12:04 TSA agents should only get to do strip searches if passengers get to do them back. Mar 29 14:12:04 if you are walking like a cowboy you are probably packing Mar 29 14:12:09 a bit intrusive Mar 29 14:12:13 but easy to do Mar 29 14:12:27 ofc if the data is worth it Mar 29 14:12:30 i would be a TSA agent if i got to strip search some nubile female travellers Mar 29 14:12:30 KotCzarny: koperta? Mar 29 14:12:43 aquatix: do you understand polish? Mar 29 14:12:43 :) Mar 29 14:12:48 Actually, I think everybody should have to fly nude. Mar 29 14:12:49 KotCzarny: nope Mar 29 14:12:50 but i would be bad at my job because i would allow the fat hairy blokes on unsearched Mar 29 14:12:55 ach. Mar 29 14:12:55 aquatix: it's a parking special mark in Poland Mar 29 14:12:57 There'd be no problems at all if everybody were nude. Mar 29 14:13:05 AStorm: ah, ok Mar 29 14:13:09 it's a skit Mar 29 14:13:10 :) Mar 29 14:13:27 GeneralAntilles: there wouldbe Mar 29 14:13:29 agreed GeneralAntilles thats actually a reasonable plan :) Mar 29 14:13:31 I'm nude, does that count? Mar 29 14:13:40 actually, we are all nude...under our clothes Mar 29 14:13:45 ya Mar 29 14:13:48 nope Mar 29 14:13:49 WormFood: erm, true, but tmi ;) Mar 29 14:13:52 a sad truth ;) Mar 29 14:13:54 we are covered with dirts Mar 29 14:13:54 lol Mar 29 14:13:56 i'm going to be a lot more concerned if the person next to me is sort of spilling over into my seat Mar 29 14:13:57 and bacteria Mar 29 14:13:58 :) Mar 29 14:14:06 and dead skin Mar 29 14:14:09 celesteh_rules: :) Mar 29 14:14:23 celesteh_rules, be more after of the person behind you spilling something into your seat Mar 29 14:14:29 what about winter? Mar 29 14:14:30 I'm not nude, I'm wearing my birthday suit ;) Mar 29 14:14:37 augh!! Mar 29 14:14:50 dick-richardson, airports and airplanes are generally air conditioned. :P Mar 29 14:15:00 I'll be back after a while Mar 29 14:15:02 winter would even up the stakes amongst the men and give us extra coat hangers from the girls Mar 29 14:15:03 air conditioned to 18C Mar 29 14:15:20 lol, go www.google.co.uk ffor some earth hour Mar 29 14:15:27 lcuk, <_< Mar 29 14:15:29 its a long hour though Mar 29 14:15:53 around the world it went dark last night in lots of places - i turned my lights off as well :) Mar 29 14:15:55 i think pointy, cold nipples is a human universal Mar 29 14:16:08 yes, but mine aren't nearly as interesting Mar 29 14:16:16 but womens are ermmm bigger and more impressive looking Mar 29 14:16:36 (apart from those which sag to the knees) Mar 29 14:16:39 'women' Mar 29 14:16:39 Haha Mar 29 14:16:50 erm Mar 29 14:16:52 scratch that Mar 29 14:17:06 and add ' Mar 29 14:17:06 Ms. Chokesondick? :P Mar 29 14:17:24 I had a teacher like that :( Mar 29 14:17:37 i am never flying to or from a desytination in the american midwest if we all have to be naked Mar 29 14:17:55 why not, the beer belly will cover up most of the problems Mar 29 14:17:56 I live in the midwest...it really depends on_where_ Mar 29 14:18:28 hm, actually, i once had a connection in vegas. that's what i'd skip Mar 29 14:18:30 I can assure it isn't anywhere near me, however Mar 29 14:18:37 and also dallas Mar 29 14:18:41 florida? Mar 29 14:18:55 never been in or through florida Mar 29 14:19:06 It's good Mar 29 14:19:09 arent most nude anyway in vegas and florida Mar 29 14:19:23 not the ones you'd hope for Mar 29 14:19:27 lololol Mar 29 14:19:33 lcuk: on the plane they will be too close Mar 29 14:20:13 why not, if we got all the blokes to stand at the front of the plane and do our propella party piece then we would save the planet Mar 29 14:21:17 I doubt my ability to generate the necessary thrust Mar 29 14:21:21 does that, um, generate lift? Mar 29 14:21:36 lol! Mar 29 14:21:50 ah, lift and trust jokes . . . how about that latest OS release Mar 29 14:21:53 this is quickly spiraling downward Mar 29 14:21:54 dick-richardson, yes, you have to thrust your hips at the same time Mar 29 14:22:10 So, uh, anyway, anybody have an release projections for Diablo. . . . <_< Mar 29 14:22:14 :D Mar 29 14:22:58 IRC . . . for when you want to feel like a 14 year old boy again Mar 29 14:23:40 * KotCzarny yawns Mar 29 14:23:44 did any of us really grow up though? seriously when you get together with your friends from school don't you regress? Mar 29 14:24:24 this conversation has me wondering if I ever really PROgressed Mar 29 14:25:04 PROgesteron Mar 29 14:25:06 we have i think, but its good to be reminded of your roots Mar 29 14:25:32 the day i stop having fun will be the day i drop dead Mar 29 14:26:26 internet: serious business Mar 29 14:26:33 sb Mar 29 14:32:32 * lcuk goes and plays shopkeeper Mar 29 14:32:44 * KotCzarny eats pancakes Mar 29 14:32:50 one of the nice things of irc is when you're having fun of weird subjects Mar 29 14:32:59 just random stuff Mar 29 14:33:08 screw growing up ;) Mar 29 14:33:11 yeah Mar 29 14:33:20 I think the guys on IRC stole that from the guys meeting up IRL Mar 29 14:33:27 wankers Mar 29 14:33:45 those irc bastards! Mar 29 14:34:04 crashanddie: growing up? Mar 29 14:34:06 i have had random conversations about stuff since before irc. it started in school with actual conversations, but wasnt quite as random, then we got CBs and it went really random Mar 29 14:34:22 lcuk: true :) Mar 29 14:34:24 aquatix, "having fun of weird subjects, just random stuff" Mar 29 14:34:26 odd people who have something to hide behind Mar 29 14:34:49 * aquatix likes to be random now and then, also in RL Mar 29 14:34:55 channel hopping? Mar 29 14:34:58 keeps ppl on their toes Mar 29 14:35:00 keeps people on their toes around me ;) Mar 29 14:35:07 I ought to write a script which pulls the debian source packages and recompiles 'em for all the dependencies I need :/ Mar 29 14:35:08 ghehe Mar 29 14:35:10 cdma? Mar 29 14:35:11 ;) Mar 29 14:35:44 KotCzarny, its fun to be an internet troll occasionally :) Mar 29 14:35:53 occasionally Mar 29 14:36:07 it's addictive Mar 29 14:36:23 now we have pansies who think rickrolling is hardcore Mar 29 14:37:03 dip'eem Mar 29 14:37:08 dip them good Mar 29 14:37:20 what is rockrolling? i keep seeing that word around Mar 29 14:37:38 and i should be sleeping for a 10 hours already Mar 29 14:37:52 celesteh_rules: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_Gonna_Give_You_Up#.22Rickroll.22_Internet_meme Mar 29 14:37:53 *ahem* heres a preview of the maemo new interface: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Mar 29 14:38:04 lcuk: :P Mar 29 14:38:10 i hope it's not pr0n Mar 29 14:38:18 its frikkin youtube Mar 29 14:38:29 good thing i have flashblock Mar 29 14:38:30 :) Mar 29 14:38:47 good thing i am on the credits of flashblock :) Mar 29 14:39:01 * lcuk helped cure a problem and thinks its the best addin for firefox Mar 29 14:39:10 :> Mar 29 14:39:13 this is like goatse, but G rated Mar 29 14:39:24 celesteh_rules, my point exactly Mar 29 14:39:38 lcuk: flash block doesn't work when javascript is off Mar 29 14:39:39 ;) Mar 29 14:39:53 i think pansies would have, um, a more nuanced view of goatse vs rickroll Mar 29 14:40:10 weird guy, that Rick Mar 29 14:40:14 flashblock would work if i had my way. im actively considering making a proper exe addin for both maemo and windows/linux Mar 29 14:40:31 * crashanddie is going to build the whole maemo platform with -O9 Mar 29 14:40:38 lcuk: exe addin? Mar 29 14:40:45 there's no such thing as -O9 Mar 29 14:40:53 unless you use 2.9.something Mar 29 14:40:54 yeah, I know, note the sarcasm Mar 29 14:40:56 or something Mar 29 14:41:01 ie: flash is currently services by the adobe exe, replace this with a cover exe for flash and only allow the actual loading of flash after clicking Mar 29 14:41:24 flashblock currently works with the page DOM AFTER its loaded Mar 29 14:41:31 yup Mar 29 14:41:45 crashanddie: you riser! ;) Mar 29 14:41:58 but it's a price for 'render while loading' Mar 29 14:42:01 i think Mar 29 14:42:06 lcuk: you can also just switch the plugin off Mar 29 14:42:11 wouldn't a greasemonkey script be more effective then ? greasemonkey is parsed before the loading occurs, right ? Mar 29 14:42:13 and only turn it on if you want Mar 29 14:42:13 no, its the only palce to get the code inserted Mar 29 14:42:37 aquatix, if i swithc it off i cannot watch the items i want to see Mar 29 14:42:44 hmm Mar 29 14:42:49 proxy could be a solve Mar 29 14:42:57 i choose to watch a movie, i choose to play a game, but i dont want my eyes distracted by adverts Mar 29 14:43:05 i choose to disable animated gifs Mar 29 14:43:06 lcuk: ah, true Mar 29 14:43:15 but i actually allow static adverts :) Mar 29 14:43:16 * aquatix uses a host file with a lot of adblock thingees Mar 29 14:43:24 * KotCzarny uses junkbuster Mar 29 14:43:29 host file sux Mar 29 14:43:33 I'm pretty glad flash took back its place on webpages Mar 29 14:43:34 speeds up browsing on the tablet considerably though Mar 29 14:43:37 i dont like to censor my web that much - i will not let anyone choose which hosts to block Mar 29 14:43:52 lcuk: myeah, good point Mar 29 14:43:53 luk: 2o7.net :P Mar 29 14:43:57 but if i'm browsing over gprs... Mar 29 14:44:01 besides, how will you know if i page is broken or blocked easily Mar 29 14:44:01 and doubleclick Mar 29 14:44:25 whitelists Mar 29 14:44:29 * lcuk wont examine any random domains Mar 29 14:44:53 and . . . that ws the first time i've seen that video. i think i /was/ 14 when it came out. IS that the real ne. Did we all dance awkwardly to something so very lame? Mar 29 14:45:07 yes celesteh_rules Mar 29 14:45:29 celesteh_rules: yeah, i think it was the first time i saw it too :) Mar 29 14:45:33 there are other horrors from that time, but thankfully the mists of time have eased the pain Mar 29 14:45:39 80's video clips rock ;) Mar 29 14:45:53 80's ads.. Mar 29 14:45:54 the ones from the 60's and 70's are even weirder Mar 29 14:46:03 KotCzarny: augh ;) Mar 29 14:46:13 the reassuring thing, is that 14 and at a school dance, none of us were better dressers or dancers than that guy Mar 29 14:47:37 celesteh_rules: :) Mar 29 14:47:52 now, talent - you are right celesteh_rules we are no better. however old style trolls had something different to us. they could do things with their bodies which no normal person would even attempt to attempt Mar 29 14:48:31 preserving body fluids for a cause? Mar 29 14:49:16 she perserved them? in the brief glance i had i thought she was cleaning the bath Mar 29 14:49:29 life Mar 29 14:49:45 yeah, trolls today suck. Mar 29 14:49:53 when you grow up you start seeing things differently Mar 29 14:49:56 kids today Mar 29 14:50:05 and no coming back to happy times Mar 29 14:50:08 get off my lawn! Mar 29 14:51:26 happiness is what you make it. if you can get over the lows, the higs are pretty good Mar 29 14:51:39 hmm Mar 29 14:52:14 where goes the window after minimizing? Mar 29 14:52:32 it's a simple unmap? Mar 29 14:52:33 which window/os/program Mar 29 14:52:40 n8x0 Mar 29 14:52:57 KotCzarny, which program ? Mar 29 14:53:02 past happy times = gone forever. future happy times = in the queue Mar 29 14:53:11 not hildonized Mar 29 14:53:15 its still around - i minimised xchat and rebooted the other day it was in the background Mar 29 14:53:34 and i got my program stuck - it hada a window but it also has an xv overlay Mar 29 14:53:37 i have though about statusbar plugin for unminimizing Mar 29 14:53:59 <<<<<<< apps exist over there though on 810 Mar 29 14:54:09 even minimised ones Mar 29 14:54:11 xlsclients lists minimized windows too Mar 29 14:54:42 say, I've ported a few apps for the maemo platform, and I want to put them in the garage, should I create a special project ? Or is a project not obligatory for a package ? Mar 29 14:55:11 crashanddie: how good are the ports? Mar 29 14:55:18 ie. full integration with maemo? Mar 29 14:55:18 well Mar 29 14:55:22 it's libraries mostly Mar 29 14:55:24 \or just 'compiled and runs' ? Mar 29 14:55:53 well, all of them are libs in fact Mar 29 14:56:37 crashanddie: a project is not obligatory for uploading to extras. If there are build tweaks required, you might want to submit them to the mud-builder.garage.maemo.org project Mar 29 14:56:38 find an app that will need them Mar 29 14:56:46 and you will have an excuse to post them too Mar 29 14:56:47 :) Mar 29 14:57:19 KotCzarny, my apps will use 'em, and the rest are dependencies Mar 29 14:57:32 Jaffa, explain "build tweaks required" Mar 29 14:57:36 then submit your apps instead of the libs Mar 29 14:58:08 lcuk, my apps use the libs :/ Without the libs, said apps won't run ;) Mar 29 14:58:14 crashanddie: 'doesn't compile out of the debian box package -> needs tweaking' Mar 29 14:58:15 crashanddie: if you've needed to patch the source of the upstream libs in order to get them Maemoised, but the changes are too specific or too wide-ranging to go upstream Mar 29 14:58:35 crashanddie: lcuk's point was that submitting the libs without the apps is pointless Mar 29 14:58:55 Especially since most users won't be able to install them (libs shouldn't have the "User/" prefix on the Section heading) Mar 29 14:59:24 Jaffa, eh ? Mar 29 14:59:28 jaffa: but will apt-get pick them up? Mar 29 14:59:39 Jaffa, but if there's no user/ prefix, then the package manager won't take 'em :/ Mar 29 14:59:44 KotCzarny: yes, that's exactly the point of having the "User/" prefix. Mar 29 14:59:56 jaffa: i mean the libs Mar 29 15:00:04 without user/ in section Mar 29 15:00:10 crashanddie: correct. That's what the "Dependencies:" bit of your apps Mar 29 15:00:49 Why would a user ever want to install the libs? They don't. Users want to run apps. Apps have a "User/" prefix in their Section. Libs don't. Apps pull in the libs they need (from any section) using "Dependencies:" Mar 29 15:01:03 jaffa: but if a lib isn't available in any repo Mar 29 15:01:12 Jaffa, so by registering the libs as depends, and building them with section: libs (for example), the package manager will still get the libs ? Mar 29 15:01:13 dpkg will refuse to install? Mar 29 15:01:21 dpkg won't. Mar 29 15:01:27 But everything should be in extras or extras-devel. Mar 29 15:01:33 crashanddie: exactly. Mar 29 15:01:39 Jaffa, ok, good Mar 29 15:01:47 any idea why the hildon app manager doesn't want to update/install apps since i updated with apt-get? Mar 29 15:02:06 aquatix: too general question Mar 29 15:02:07 :) Mar 29 15:02:33 Jaffa, though, the reason why I'd like to put those libs online, is that I don't feel anyone should compile/package those BEFORE starting the dev on an app, it just limits the devs Mar 29 15:02:35 KotCzarny: i did some apt-get dist-upgrade's and installs Mar 29 15:02:51 how does apt-get complain now? Mar 29 15:02:55 KotCzarny: since then, if i want to update my apps or install a new one through the gui app manager, it says it fails Mar 29 15:03:03 apt-get works fine though Mar 29 15:03:19 aquatix, does it say "failed to download file" ? Mar 29 15:03:46 crashanddie: that's fine, I don't have a problem with extra libs in extras (or extras-devel), I just get really upset by libraries appearing in my Application Manager :) Mar 29 15:04:08 crashanddie: no; let me try it and get the exact message, sec... Mar 29 15:04:09 Jaffa, yeah, agreed, I'll repackage them taking in account what you said, thanks Mar 29 15:08:18 meh, now it hangs on updating the repositories list Mar 29 15:09:46 aquatix, then don't Mar 29 15:09:59 crashanddie, KotCzarny: it says: "Downloading failed" Mar 29 15:10:06 crashanddie: ;) Mar 29 15:10:15 aquatix, your internal memory card is corrupted Mar 29 15:10:20 euh? Mar 29 15:10:31 that'd suck Mar 29 15:10:32 yeah, happened to me a week or two ago Mar 29 15:10:35 any idea how? Mar 29 15:10:45 had problems rebooting lately ? Mar 29 15:10:52 dunno, don't reboot that much Mar 29 15:10:57 but the time i did it, no Mar 29 15:11:02 Like maybe you tried to boot it with the battery pretty low on energy ? Mar 29 15:11:07 and it shut down hard ? Mar 29 15:11:31 crashanddie: but it would prevent him from writing anything to the card? Mar 29 15:11:34 crashanddie: not sure, but could be Mar 29 15:11:35 simple test then Mar 29 15:11:40 but i can apt-get! Mar 29 15:11:43 write anything to the card Mar 29 15:11:44 :) Mar 29 15:12:06 i can do anything, from updating files to installing new stuff through apt Mar 29 15:12:16 but email progs act a bit weird though Mar 29 15:12:20 aquatix, take a file from your Documents folder Mar 29 15:12:25 bad dns? Mar 29 15:12:34 aquatix, and try to paste it to the internal memory card Mar 29 15:12:41 aquatix, it'll say "Nothing to paste" Mar 29 15:12:49 claws mail refuses to show contents of a message, but works fine in general Mar 29 15:12:53 crashanddie: ok, i'll try Mar 29 15:13:18 and i will go to sleep Mar 29 15:13:20 Application manager caches to the internal card. Mar 29 15:13:25 KotCzarny: sleep well Mar 29 15:13:26 night ppl Mar 29 15:13:29 So if the internal card is ro, it tends to trip up. Mar 29 15:13:35 GeneralAntilles: ah, and apt doesn't? Mar 29 15:13:46 Alternatively, you can remove the internal card and try Application manager again Mar 29 15:13:50 it'll work fine if it was the card. Mar 29 15:13:51 no, apt saves to /var/apt/cache/ Mar 29 15:14:14 it can just be the partition that's f'd up, or the mounting of it Mar 29 15:14:18 ah, nothing to paste Mar 29 15:14:20 meh Mar 29 15:14:26 so a mount remount rw should do the trick Mar 29 15:14:32 couldn't tell you the exact command though Mar 29 15:15:33 mount -o remount,rw Mar 29 15:15:38 fyi Mar 29 15:15:44 * aquatix tries Mar 29 15:16:59 SO ANNOYING Mar 29 15:17:01 why is nano still broken. Mar 29 15:17:04 god dman it Mar 29 15:17:45 heh Mar 29 15:17:52 10Megs in one second Mar 29 15:17:53 search = segfault Mar 29 15:18:00 even with my connection that's a pretty nice burst Mar 29 15:18:16 Hehe, vi, fysa. :P Mar 29 15:18:30 crashanddie: hm, that command didn't help Mar 29 15:18:45 crashanddie: megabytes? Mar 29 15:18:53 nice Mar 29 15:19:23 yay Mar 29 15:19:29 FAT: Filesystem panic Mar 29 15:19:57 hmm Mar 29 15:20:11 invalid cluster chain Mar 29 15:20:12 aquatix, oh yeah, forget to tell you, I had to format Mar 29 15:20:20 meh Mar 29 15:20:33 aquatix, remounting it was so I could swapoff Mar 29 15:20:52 ok, i'll copy to my external card Mar 29 15:28:09 also explains why it wouldn't change maps :) Mar 29 15:28:30 crashanddie: btw, reformat is just regular fat format right? Mar 29 15:28:39 aquatix, yup Mar 29 15:28:49 fat32 i'd say Mar 29 15:29:11 fat16 doesn't support anything above 4Gig Mar 29 15:29:12 hm, over usb or on device? Mar 29 15:29:22 aquatix, anyway you want or can Mar 29 15:29:37 internal is 2GB of course Mar 29 15:29:51 yeah, wondered whether there are dos tools on it now Mar 29 15:29:58 hi guys Mar 29 15:30:19 aquatix, formatting it is done with fstools Mar 29 15:32:05 yeah, just mkdosfs right? Mar 29 15:32:12 * aquatix doesn't format fat often ;) Mar 29 15:35:08 what's the builtin chat program called? Mar 29 15:35:54 and why can't it connect to jabberd? Mar 29 15:36:41 pidgin on my n810 can't seem to connect either Mar 29 15:36:56 it the tls library or something? Mar 29 15:37:00 rtcomm Mar 29 15:37:07 It connects to Jabber fine. Mar 29 15:37:23 yup, maybe you're port blocked Mar 29 15:37:25 not to my stock jabberd Mar 29 15:37:30 our wifi is Mar 29 15:37:40 no Mar 29 15:37:50 JasonWoof: yes, it does connect to stock jabberd Mar 29 15:38:00 it tries TLS first though Mar 29 15:38:17 maybe jabberd balks at it, but then it's config error Mar 29 15:38:42 works fine on my laptop Mar 29 15:38:57 you can set force SSL and port 5223 to use old SSL Mar 29 15:39:14 it will, but rtcomm tries TLS Mar 29 15:39:15 yeah, I tried that too Mar 29 15:39:22 some jabber clients don't Mar 29 15:39:43 try tcpdump to see what's going on Mar 29 15:39:47 my server might not be configured for tls Mar 29 15:40:02 then rtcomm would connect directly Mar 29 15:40:02 mmm good idea Mar 29 15:40:28 unless server breaks connection on TLS handshake and not just issues an error Mar 29 15:40:47 maybe some broken version of jabberd 1 does that Mar 29 15:49:46 crashanddie: did you format fat32 or fat16? Mar 29 15:50:05 aquatix, don't remember Mar 29 15:50:33 vfat Mar 29 15:59:20 oh, any reason the practically empty 2GB internal flash card isn't formatted for unix use and mounted at /home? Mar 29 15:59:59 JasonWoof, ? Mar 29 16:00:10 I wanted to check if it would be a bad idea to reformat it Mar 29 16:00:30 JasonWoof, the package manager stores data on it, the maps are downloaded to it, the swap is stored on it Mar 29 16:00:35 JasonWoof: because it is exported as usb-storage when you connect via usb, they probably preferred vfat for windows host compatibility Mar 29 16:00:55 I've got a 2GB partition mounted at /media/mmc2 Mar 29 16:01:44 I don't care about windows Mar 29 16:02:45 JasonWoof, if you don't want to break the apps, I suggest you mount it on /home like you want to, but add a symlink at /media/mmc2 pointing to a rw directory with sufficient space Mar 29 16:03:10 what bugs me is the idea that my home directory gets wiped when flashing a sys upgrade, and that when I tried moving my home dir there I got messages about not being able to preserve permissions Mar 29 16:03:24 that's what a backup is for. Mar 29 16:03:38 and I don't think I even needed that. Mar 29 16:03:42 my home directory is still here after a flash. Mar 29 16:05:09 pretty sure mine was wiped Mar 29 16:05:25 and I don't see the point of backup Mar 29 16:06:19 I'd like to rsync (or better yet unison) w/ my laptop Mar 29 16:06:45 and the partiton with my home dir is small Mar 29 16:06:49 You can, rsync & unison both exist for os2008 Mar 29 16:07:01 cool Mar 29 16:07:21 Diablo eliminates flashing upgrades. Mar 29 16:07:42 does diablo exist yet? Mar 29 16:07:50 Next few weeks/months. Mar 29 16:08:21 cool Mar 29 16:08:47 Does anyone have a pointer to getting scandic characters working in python? I'm trying to make my small app to support text input in Finnish, but still without success with a umlaut etc. Mar 29 16:11:19 I doubt I know the answer but you'll probably need to specify what you're inputting into what using what Mar 29 16:11:42 ok, you may have covered the first what Mar 29 16:12:38 libcrypto is a bitch to compile :/ Mar 29 16:12:55 why, are the build instructions ...cryptic? :P Mar 29 16:13:06 erhm Mar 29 16:13:07 no Mar 29 16:13:13 it times all the different algorythms Mar 29 16:13:24 RSA 3072 bit 36400ms 161310ms 2000ms Mar 29 16:13:24 RSA 4096 bit 248680ms Mar 29 16:13:32 heh Mar 29 16:13:53 sp3000: if you refer to my question I have the most simple hildon app in python with one gtk.Entry. Trying to get åäö working in the gtk widgets. Mar 29 16:14:47 timo, what type of strings/encoding do you use ? (dunno how python works, sorry) Mar 29 16:15:38 timo, http://evanjones.ca/python-utf8.html Mar 29 16:15:58 timo: öäå seems to work without any hassle for me in python and gtk.entry Mar 29 16:16:06 of course this doesn't help :) Mar 29 16:16:40 timo: perhaps http://www.google.fi/search?q=gtk.entry+python+encoding.utf8 helps (or misleads, who knows) Mar 29 16:16:51 perhaps you and wom- should have a pastebin party Mar 29 16:17:21 well, there is nothing special in it Mar 29 16:17:23 wom: that's not fair. I'm getting [;' instead of åäö in my input field. I'll have to chech that http://evanjones.ca/python-utf8.html Mar 29 16:17:45 timo: is that in scratchbox or device.. i tested on device Mar 29 16:17:50 wom-: right but there may well be several ways to do nothing specia, only one of which works :) Mar 29 16:17:52 both Mar 29 16:18:10 wom-, did you write that python app ? Mar 29 16:18:15 in scratchbox i also get ; instead of ä Mar 29 16:18:22 timo: that sounds like ...the wrong keyboard? Mar 29 16:18:35 crashanddie: yes i have one i have written Mar 29 16:18:37 sp3000, on both scratchbox and the nokia ? Mar 29 16:18:40 * sp3000 suspected encoding first Mar 29 16:18:56 wom-, mind sharing the code ? Do you use special strings or anything ? Mar 29 16:19:12 crashanddie: code is here code.google.com/googbus Mar 29 16:19:13 crashanddie: shrug, input is unknown magic dragon realm to me Mar 29 16:19:20 crashanddie: code is here code.google.com/p/googbus Mar 29 16:19:43 timo, check the code, see if you're doing something wrong Mar 29 16:21:06 thanks. I'll check that. Need to bake a cake with my kids now. Mar 29 16:21:47 now I understand why noone ever bothered making libgcrypt for the nokia xD Mar 29 16:26:54 crashanddie: ok, successfully formatted it :) Mar 29 16:27:01 appmgr works again Mar 29 16:27:04 thanks! Mar 29 16:27:12 such a trivial thing :/ Mar 29 16:27:22 aquatix, yeah, happy to help man Mar 29 16:27:48 i think it got corrupted trying to copy an mp3 album to it when in a rush Mar 29 16:28:03 maybe i didn't unmount correctly or something Mar 29 16:28:21 Likely Mar 29 16:28:23 Card reader? Mar 29 16:28:25 noticed something about fat in my pc's log too Mar 29 16:28:37 GeneralAntilles: internal flash of my n810, over usb Mar 29 16:30:06 * aquatix copies 1.5GB of maps back to tablet Mar 29 16:32:03 would anyone know why dvips isn't included in tetex ? Mar 29 16:34:32 (and yes, in case you were wondering, that's the 30min+ compilation of libgcrypt that failed because of dvips :D) Mar 29 16:35:41 pupnik_, where does opentyrian store its save? Mar 29 16:36:01 heh Mar 29 16:40:12 hi, is some mythtvfrontend user here ? ;) Mar 29 16:48:32 yay, now Claws mail shows my mail again too ;) Mar 29 16:51:18 I fixed my rotation problems from earlier :). I started off with a new kernel tree and reapplied patches and remade changes to .config Mar 29 17:27:01