**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 04 02:59:56 2008 Apr 04 03:00:01 oh, how is it for scheduling reminders? Apr 04 03:00:14 Mostly fine with either GPE or Pimlico Apr 04 03:00:15 that was covered in pim section at the beginning of this conversation? Apr 04 03:00:18 :) Apr 04 03:00:23 I don't really use it for PIM at all, so I can't entirely speak to that. Apr 04 03:00:30 oh, ok Apr 04 03:00:56 where can I read about the OS installation process? Apr 04 03:01:13 I saw somewhere that there are different revisions of IT OS 2008 Apr 04 03:01:14 what os installation process? Apr 04 03:01:18 :) Apr 04 03:01:23 ./flasher-3.0 -F -f -R Apr 04 03:01:24 flasher runs in few seconds Apr 04 03:01:25 done Apr 04 03:01:27 ;) Apr 04 03:01:27 That's about the extent of it. Apr 04 03:01:28 it consists of extracting a tarball? Apr 04 03:01:33 nope Apr 04 03:01:34 oh Apr 04 03:01:36 mtdblock based Apr 04 03:01:41 flashing Apr 04 03:01:49 flasher ensures that it takes up the entire SD card? Apr 04 03:01:50 Flash upgrades for now. Apr 04 03:01:51 Pimlico uses Evolution's DB Apr 04 03:01:55 no Apr 04 03:01:59 sd card is not used Apr 04 03:02:05 only internal (soldered) flash Apr 04 03:02:13 I thought you guys suggested I run my OS off the SD card Apr 04 03:02:17 ah Apr 04 03:02:23 Foor SD booting you'd flash to rootfs (no way to flash to SD), then tar the rootfs over to an SD partition Apr 04 03:02:23 so you mean 'cloning to mmc' ? Apr 04 03:02:25 The syncing app for the Pimlico project hasn't reached stable Apr 04 03:02:34 but the next release (Diablo) has flashless updates (SSU) Apr 04 03:02:42 well, you make partition, you copy roots, you install new initfs, done Apr 04 03:02:45 Which work through apt. Apr 04 03:02:49 cool Apr 04 03:02:57 to all those things Apr 04 03:03:24 can you guys highlight any good games? Apr 04 03:03:30 forget 3d Apr 04 03:03:31 :) Apr 04 03:03:32 pupnik.de Apr 04 03:03:40 Check out the games forum on ITT Apr 04 03:03:50 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/games/ Apr 04 03:04:15 Quake1/2, Doom, Duke Nukem, and Tyrian are some good ones. Apr 04 03:05:12 tyrian! Apr 04 03:05:14 awesome Apr 04 03:05:21 I loved playing that for dos Apr 04 03:05:36 when I get time I am going to try out opentyrian SVN for either my windows or linux box Apr 04 03:05:55 It's also great for ebooks (FBReader) Apr 04 03:05:59 and a pretty decent PMP Apr 04 03:06:05 supertux Apr 04 03:06:06 woot Apr 04 03:06:07 say Apr 04 03:06:17 what happens if you encounter a PDF while browsing? Apr 04 03:06:45 ur-quan masters, very cool Apr 04 03:06:55 It should open in the built-in PDF reader Apr 04 03:07:03 But for some reason I don't recall offhand Apr 04 03:07:12 * GeneralAntilles has been using the platform for almost 3 years now, too. :\ Apr 04 03:07:30 the platform for 3 years? Apr 04 03:07:34 when was the 770 released? Apr 04 03:08:07 November 2005 Apr 04 03:08:07 oh, nov05 Apr 04 03:08:47 how does the OS work in regards to running multiple apps at once? Apr 04 03:08:50 does it allow that? Apr 04 03:08:54 it's linux Apr 04 03:08:54 Yeah Apr 04 03:08:55 :) Apr 04 03:08:58 Multitasking works great. Apr 04 03:09:01 cool Apr 04 03:09:07 I'll confess Apr 04 03:09:13 I have a hacked ipod touch right now Apr 04 03:09:18 5 or 6 browser windows open with xterm, XChat and a couple of IM session running. Apr 04 03:09:23 awesome Apr 04 03:10:14 I have an im window, podcast aggregator and media player all open right now on my N800 Apr 04 03:10:30 cool Apr 04 03:10:44 so do mplayer and/or VLC have better performance than the included media player? Apr 04 03:10:52 and how do they support WMV files? Apr 04 03:10:53 mplayer has a lot better performance Apr 04 03:10:58 cool Apr 04 03:10:59 ffmpeg Apr 04 03:11:05 mostly Apr 04 03:11:06 yeah, I love ffmpeg Apr 04 03:11:09 because it's arm Apr 04 03:11:10 mplayer has been VERY heavily optimized. Apr 04 03:11:14 cool Apr 04 03:11:16 and can't run use .dll Apr 04 03:11:58 some people even put kde on it Apr 04 03:12:11 don't know why Apr 04 03:12:14 * KotCzarny shrugs Apr 04 03:12:18 yeah, I saw some comments on that Apr 04 03:12:19 It'll handle most *ahem* bittorrent acquired stuff pretty well. Apr 04 03:12:19 very cool Apr 04 03:12:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/02/ctia-coverage-the-nokia-n810-wimax-edition/ Apr 04 03:12:35 so Apr 04 03:12:41 wimax with xohm? Apr 04 03:12:47 is that actually going to happen soon? Apr 04 03:12:52 This summer. Apr 04 03:13:12 I'm afraid xohm will be too expensive for me Apr 04 03:13:18 Assuming you're in one of their (few) covered cities. Apr 04 03:13:19 and/or not available in State College, PA Apr 04 03:13:25 ~$40-$60 Apr 04 03:13:29 yeah Apr 04 03:13:35 They offer daily access, too. Apr 04 03:14:17 I hope daily access is affordable Apr 04 03:14:28 I'll probably end up going for the N800 Apr 04 03:14:36 I would. Apr 04 03:14:37 because of price and storage Apr 04 03:14:51 especially since my OS will be on one SD card Apr 04 03:15:15 and I'd like a free SD slot Apr 04 03:16:10 oh Apr 04 03:16:11 with skype Apr 04 03:16:20 can you hold the n800 upto your ear like a phone? Apr 04 03:16:29 what for? Apr 04 03:16:29 You could Apr 04 03:16:35 for privacy Apr 04 03:16:35 But you'd look like a jackass. :P Apr 04 03:16:39 headphones Apr 04 03:16:41 I'd get a headset instead. Apr 04 03:16:43 Better than sidetalking Apr 04 03:16:45 regular minijack Apr 04 03:16:46 It comes bundled with a wired one. Apr 04 03:16:52 can I use bluetooth for it? Apr 04 03:16:53 slabtalking Apr 04 03:16:58 Original N-Gage owners unite! Apr 04 03:16:59 Yes Apr 04 03:17:04 Bluetooth headsets work great. Apr 04 03:17:09 cool Apr 04 03:17:26 what comes in the N800 box? Apr 04 03:17:31 other than a wired headset Apr 04 03:17:36 2 stylus' Apr 04 03:17:39 128mb card Apr 04 03:17:44 pouch Apr 04 03:17:50 charger Apr 04 03:17:56 skype voucher Apr 04 03:17:57 ;) Apr 04 03:18:02 can you put it in the pouch and then put it in your pocket? Apr 04 03:18:07 ;-) Apr 04 03:18:10 yup Apr 04 03:18:14 cool Apr 04 03:18:18 128MB MiniSD, 1 USB cable, 1 pouch, 1 charger, 1 N800, 1 headset Apr 04 03:18:19 http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=3rvcj4gjVvw Apr 04 03:18:21 That's what I do Apr 04 03:18:33 Personally, I just leave the pouch in my pocket Apr 04 03:18:35 awesome Apr 04 03:18:43 hey all Apr 04 03:18:44 and slip the N800 in and out of it like a little sub-pocket. Apr 04 03:19:00 i just got my n810 today.. been playing around Apr 04 03:19:10 oh, another believer Apr 04 03:19:31 I take it out so I can rest my N800 on the table Apr 04 03:19:40 it keeps hanging trying to update repositories.. hanging on mg.pov.lt Apr 04 03:19:41 the desks at school are slanted and extremely slick Apr 04 03:19:47 i'm not sure how to remove that entry from the repositories Apr 04 03:19:49 mg.pov.lt ? Apr 04 03:19:53 it's not so official Apr 04 03:19:54 :) Apr 04 03:20:00 manage repos Apr 04 03:20:03 Open up Application manager Apr 04 03:20:04 in menu Apr 04 03:20:29 tap the menu, tap Tools, tap Application Catalogs... Apr 04 03:20:35 thx general :_ Apr 04 03:20:36 :) Apr 04 03:20:58 alright, thanks alot guys Apr 04 03:21:02 I am probably going to order one Apr 04 03:21:20 Do so. Apr 04 03:21:30 phunguy, you can just select "Disable" Apr 04 03:21:33 Rather than deleting it outright. Apr 04 03:21:37 hrm Apr 04 03:21:39 already deleted it Apr 04 03:21:43 I'm in the US Apr 04 03:21:47 that whole domain doesn't seem to be respondign Apr 04 03:21:51 does any place have it for especially cheap? Apr 04 03:21:58 craigslist Apr 04 03:21:58 mikedep333 tigerdirect is ok pricing Apr 04 03:21:59 and ebay Apr 04 03:22:01 ;) Apr 04 03:22:04 i just got my n810 from TD in canada Apr 04 03:22:11 Screw tigerdirect. Apr 04 03:22:11 I think the nokia store or whatever has it for $240 with free shipping Apr 04 03:22:15 Buy usually has the best deals. Apr 04 03:22:21 Check newegg. Apr 04 03:22:24 yeah Apr 04 03:22:29 They seem to be carrying it for less than MSRP these days. Apr 04 03:22:29 those are us sites i'm not privy to :( Apr 04 03:22:35 there was a shop on froogle carrying them for 205 Apr 04 03:22:38 free shipping Apr 04 03:22:39 wow Apr 04 03:22:40 i wish i could use newegg Apr 04 03:22:44 its awesome :P Apr 04 03:22:45 did the n800 originally cost $400? Apr 04 03:22:50 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2817195&CatId=228 Apr 04 03:22:55 more Apr 04 03:22:56 480ish? Apr 04 03:22:56 :) Apr 04 03:24:12 umm, wow Apr 04 03:24:19 they just raised the price on their online store Apr 04 03:24:24 from $240 to $300 Apr 04 03:24:34 lol Apr 04 03:24:38 I'm thinking I better buy it quick in case they raise the price again Apr 04 03:24:48 lol Apr 04 03:24:49 *in case they raise the price for every store Apr 04 03:24:49 for n800? Apr 04 03:24:57 http://nokia-nseries.letstalk.com/product/recommendproduct.htm?index=1&cartsid=1672460349&ft=1&tfdPrId=&devicePrId=32245&servicePrId=28726 Apr 04 03:25:37 anyone have any other cool nokia gadgets Apr 04 03:25:42 I have an n95 Apr 04 03:25:51 i have n-gage Apr 04 03:25:53 i want the n96 tho :P... but i can't justify it Apr 04 03:25:54 (original) Apr 04 03:26:12 i never really researched much on the n-gage Apr 04 03:26:15 second one in fact Apr 04 03:26:17 :) Apr 04 03:26:21 it symbian-based? Apr 04 03:26:33 s60 1.2 Apr 04 03:26:37 i see Apr 04 03:26:49 first nokia i got was an n80 a couple yrs ago Apr 04 03:26:52 sry Apr 04 03:26:56 n93, then n80 Apr 04 03:26:59 i got 5510 Apr 04 03:27:03 now my n95 Apr 04 03:27:03 :> Apr 04 03:27:10 l33t! Apr 04 03:27:11 lol Apr 04 03:27:16 yeah, cute Apr 04 03:27:17 ;) Apr 04 03:27:48 hmm Apr 04 03:28:05 tiger direct is 230$ + compulsory service plan for 40$ Apr 04 03:28:18 running an apt-get update is the same and updating the gui right? Apr 04 03:28:24 No. Apr 04 03:28:27 nope Apr 04 03:28:31 That just fetches new lists from the repos. Apr 04 03:28:31 apt-get is stable Apr 04 03:28:38 ok Apr 04 03:28:38 apt-get upgrade updates packages Apr 04 03:28:40 app-manager is unstable Apr 04 03:28:41 But it's not recommended Apr 04 03:28:54 as it can break things, depending on the time of year and what repos you have installed. Apr 04 03:28:54 alright Apr 04 03:29:09 well i'm just using the terminal to see where its hanging (which repo its hanging on) Apr 04 03:29:12 once i get a clean one Apr 04 03:29:19 i'll use the gui Apr 04 03:29:37 Oh, unless you meant "same as updating with Application manager" Apr 04 03:29:42 yeah Apr 04 03:29:43 In which case, yes, it's the same. Apr 04 03:29:44 thats what i meant Apr 04 03:29:49 Application manager is just a front-end for apt. Apr 04 03:29:53 i see Apr 04 03:30:05 I am about to buy it from buy.com Apr 04 03:30:06 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=204055141&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=204055141&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890 Apr 04 03:30:10 i really appreciate the answers guys... most people just say rtfm Apr 04 03:30:11 which i should Apr 04 03:30:19 but thats what got me all these extra repos i don't need :P Apr 04 03:30:25 there's no manual Apr 04 03:30:26 ;) Apr 04 03:30:26 The manual for this thing is harder to find. ;) Apr 04 03:30:33 rofl Apr 04 03:30:33 but you can go and read maemo.org and itt Apr 04 03:30:34 :P Apr 04 03:30:46 actually it's very good Apr 04 03:30:47 Looks fine, mikedep333. Apr 04 03:30:52 and many howtos are there Apr 04 03:30:59 for n00bs and pros alike Apr 04 03:31:16 Get:81 http://repository.maemo.org bora/non-free Packages [3448B] Apr 04 03:31:17 Get:82 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages [20.0kB] Apr 04 03:31:17 99% [66 Packages gzip 0] [Connecting to download.talinux.tal.org (195.16.220.82 Apr 04 03:31:21 then it hanggggs Apr 04 03:31:22 sry Apr 04 03:31:26 i'll use pastebin next time Apr 04 03:31:40 now you know Apr 04 03:31:41 :) Apr 04 03:32:04 heh Apr 04 03:32:15 5 lines is generally the rule of thumb Apr 04 03:32:23 Though that goes down as channel activity goes up. Apr 04 03:35:37 hrm Apr 04 03:35:50 i can't find the download.talinux.tal.org in my repos Apr 04 03:36:03 is there a file i can look in manually on the device Apr 04 03:36:08 i checked /etc/apt/sources.list Apr 04 03:36:10 but it was nothing Apr 04 03:36:18 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager Apr 04 03:36:23 w00t Apr 04 03:36:23 Or something similar Apr 04 03:36:24 thx Apr 04 03:50:11 hi pupnik Apr 04 04:01:38 jott: ping Apr 04 05:10:31 HELLO GOOD MORNING! Apr 04 05:16:37 so does anyone know if youtube plugin works on canola on Nokia770 HE? Apr 04 05:20:49 i like mytube Apr 04 05:20:55 yourtube? Apr 04 05:20:57 simple python app Apr 04 05:20:59 ;) Apr 04 05:21:20 * KotCzarny recompiles everything with vfp Apr 04 05:21:30 now i have cloned sys i can play Apr 04 05:21:39 and have a base to compare things Apr 04 05:22:08 pupnik hi! Apr 04 05:23:07 pupnik can i install Jagged Alliance 2 to my mmc2 too? Apr 04 05:24:33 and ja2_0.8-demo.deb (DEMO) can works with sound? Apr 04 05:33:03 hmm Apr 04 05:33:09 does qemu support vfp ? Apr 04 05:33:18 I think so Apr 04 05:34:18 because i'm getting sig11 while building glib2 with -mcpu=arm1136jf-s Apr 04 05:34:23 in the same exact place Apr 04 05:34:39 issuing make again goes through Apr 04 05:34:51 only the very latest qemus support armv6 Apr 04 05:34:53 but i don't know how to build .deb then Apr 04 05:35:03 and I'm not sure if that support is perfect in any way Apr 04 05:35:19 hmm, but am i guessing it right Apr 04 05:35:25 erm, no Apr 04 05:35:37 otherwise following make will fail too Apr 04 05:36:27 qemu supports vfp but not ARMv6. make doesn't run binaries, so it doesn't matter for it what binaries your gcc produces Apr 04 05:36:42 kulve, i'm only talking about build Apr 04 05:36:44 right now Apr 04 05:36:59 i issue dpkg-buildpackage Apr 04 05:37:02 "only" Apr 04 05:37:05 it fails in the same exact place Apr 04 05:37:18 if i issue 'make' it goes through Apr 04 05:37:29 dpkg-buildpackage can do anything in the rules files, so it doesn't say much Apr 04 05:37:51 creating glib-genmarshal Apr 04 05:37:55 it's this part Apr 04 05:38:14 yeah, those goes easily boom with qemu Apr 04 05:38:35 I suggest using sbrsh when building for ARMv6 Apr 04 05:38:37 but why another make just a second later works? Apr 04 05:40:36 Has anybody been able to boot Linux+Kde on the N800? Apr 04 05:40:46 not maemo? Apr 04 05:50:02 hmm Apr 04 05:50:12 8x0 has 2420 cpu, right? Apr 04 05:50:20 yes Apr 04 05:50:33 i wonder Apr 04 05:50:51 OMAP2420 - 330 MHz ARM11 Apr 04 05:50:55 OMAP2430 - 330 MHz ARM1136 Apr 04 05:51:18 but gcc has only `arm1136jf-s' Apr 04 05:51:46 (also higher, but those i believe would fail) Apr 04 05:52:55 maybe it's just wikipedia with not so correct info Apr 04 05:53:15 what do you mean "only"? What would you like to use? Apr 04 05:53:31 something that's best for 8x0 Apr 04 05:54:02 holy buckers! i got a wsod-looking LCD controller error on n810 Apr 04 05:54:08 with my latest build of mypaint Apr 04 05:54:22 from gcc manual: `arm1136j-s', `arm1136jf-s', `mpcore', `mpcorenovfp', `arm1156t2-s', `arm1176jz-s', `arm1176jzf-s', Apr 04 05:54:25 the screen started going strange black/white/indiscribable color Apr 04 05:54:25 KotCzarny: I think the 1136jf-s is just fine. Or even -march=armv6 Apr 04 05:54:36 pupnik??????????????/ Apr 04 05:55:01 pupnik: crashing day? Apr 04 05:55:03 :) Apr 04 05:55:03 huh, you should use -mcpu=arm1136j-s afaik Apr 04 05:55:16 i've never seen a lcd controller error on n810 before Apr 04 05:55:58 KotCzarny: and you probably know that the -mcpu or -march doesn't state anything about vfp.. Apr 04 05:56:14 kulve, i use vfp proper line too Apr 04 05:56:21 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp Apr 04 05:56:27 if that's what you're talking about Apr 04 05:56:33 yup Apr 04 05:57:12 from arm.com: Apr 04 05:57:13 The only difference between the ARM1136JF-S and ARM1136J-S processor is that the ARM1136JF-S processor includes a Vector Floating-Point (VFP) coprocessor. Apr 04 05:57:27 so i guess it doesn't matter Apr 04 05:57:34 as long vfp line is included Apr 04 05:57:40 yeah, probably Apr 04 05:57:51 or (f) simply enables gcc to pickup that line by itself Apr 04 05:58:00 I think it doesn't Apr 04 05:58:07 let's consult specs Apr 04 05:58:09 :) Apr 04 05:58:25 It's always a good idea to check from the spec instead of guessing :) Apr 04 05:58:36 but guessing is faster (until you guess wrong) Apr 04 05:58:59 yeah, i'm in the point of getting it right (see sig11) Apr 04 05:59:18 I don't use qemu because it fails way too often Apr 04 05:59:24 hum Apr 04 05:59:42 but compiling on pentium-m is a little faster Apr 04 05:59:44 i guess Apr 04 05:59:45 :) Apr 04 05:59:45 but sbrsh has its own issues too.. Apr 04 06:00:07 humm.. How does compiling relate to this..? Apr 04 06:00:21 i use qemu only for compiling Apr 04 06:00:24 not actual testing Apr 04 06:00:29 no, you don't Apr 04 06:00:36 for that i install final .deb on device Apr 04 06:00:43 you use gcc for compiling Apr 04 06:00:55 bug arm compiled gcc ? Apr 04 06:00:57 but Apr 04 06:01:11 hum Apr 04 06:01:35 yeah, gcc *only*. But the whole build process almost always includes running configure and configure runs binaries to see that the options it gives to gcc produces sane binaries Apr 04 06:01:45 and for that you need a way to run ARM binaries Apr 04 06:02:06 and there are two possibilities with Scratchbox: qemu and sbrsh Apr 04 06:02:08 i have thought qemu is used to emulate arm cpu, and then simply running arm binaries Apr 04 06:02:36 ie. if i copy gcc from scratchbox to nokia it will run Apr 04 06:02:43 also some packages run stuff like glib-marshal which are usually ARM binaries and thus needs the qemu or sbrsh Apr 04 06:02:47 at least till the point where it fails to find libs Apr 04 06:03:07 gcc in SB is a x86 binary, you cannot run that on ARM device Apr 04 06:03:54 you can run both x86 and ARM binaries inside the SB. SB knows which is which and for x86 it runs them normally and for ARM it uses qemu to emulate or sbrsh to run it on "cpu transparency device" Apr 04 06:04:27 hum Apr 04 06:05:55 you're right Apr 04 06:06:00 hum. Apr 04 06:09:09 let's try qemu-arm-cvs Apr 04 06:09:20 but there's also qemu-arm-cvs-m Apr 04 06:09:24 what's the difference? Apr 04 06:14:44 anyone use irssi? Apr 04 06:15:47 probably Apr 04 06:15:54 do you? Apr 04 06:16:03 once or twice Apr 04 06:16:19 but i may know an answer to your question Apr 04 06:16:24 so ask away Apr 04 06:17:07 irssi is the only one Apr 04 06:17:16 i prefer epic Apr 04 06:17:17 KotCzarny: are you familiar with the sbrsh? Apr 04 06:17:29 probably because not being dependant on perl :) Apr 04 06:17:34 kulve: not quite Apr 04 06:17:53 i only know it's a kind of distccd Apr 04 06:19:04 KotCzarny: it an alternative for qemu. It uses the actual device (like n810) for running the binary instead of emulating it with qemu. It's a bit more hashle to set it up as you need NFS server on the SB computer and the sbrshd running on the device nfs mounts your SB to the device and runs the binaries from there. But once it's setup it's as painless as qemu Apr 04 06:20:07 what is the actual performance for gcc/dpkg with it? Apr 04 06:20:14 (comparing to the qemu way) Apr 04 06:21:10 (maybe i should simply change mcpu to mtune..) Apr 04 06:21:23 gcc only produces the binary, it never tries to run it. But e.g. configure runs stuff and building gecko builds some ARM binaries which it then uses to install stuff. sbrsh is a bit slower that qemu depending on the package. For gecko, it's much slower. Apr 04 06:22:10 anyone uses chinook Apr 04 06:22:16 but if i don't use flags that would create qemu-incompatible binary, qemu is as good as sbrsh ? Apr 04 06:23:16 mmc speed boost kernel == teh win Apr 04 06:23:38 proteous: depends on card ;) Apr 04 06:23:44 it's not that simple. They both have issues. Especially some packages creates an ARM binary which tries to run something like make. Then it goes boom with sbrsh for sure and seems often go boom with qemu too Apr 04 06:24:00 opendeep: most people here I think Apr 04 06:24:06 when I tried to install pygtk in sbox , it does not find any related package Apr 04 06:24:13 my kingston card now works Apr 04 06:24:19 well, at a reasonable speed Apr 04 06:24:26 proteous: hdparm -t ? Apr 04 06:24:28 not super dog ass slow Apr 04 06:24:39 ? Apr 04 06:24:48 what speeds are you getting Apr 04 06:24:50 also, I use irssi Apr 04 06:24:51 before/after Apr 04 06:24:52 :) Apr 04 06:25:12 didn't do a speed test, just real world tests of copying MP3s via USB before and after Apr 04 06:25:23 before == super slow Apr 04 06:25:31 after == acceptable speed Apr 04 06:25:35 for USB 1 Apr 04 06:25:37 for me it's the same before and after Apr 04 06:25:45 hello kulve , can you give me an idea Apr 04 06:25:46 usb?? Apr 04 06:25:52 ??????? Apr 04 06:25:52 :) Apr 04 06:26:01 for me it's ~4mb/s Apr 04 06:26:10 before and after the patch Apr 04 06:26:16 opendeep: nope, I don't know anything about python.. Apr 04 06:26:18 sorry Apr 04 06:26:33 its ok. Apr 04 06:27:05 kulve ,on what app's you are working Apr 04 06:27:18 opendeep: check sbox repos? Apr 04 06:27:30 ok Apr 04 06:27:41 opendeep: currently, nothing. I've made the ogg-support and done something with a media player called kilikali Apr 04 06:31:57 btw. sb + mc (with proper ext/menu entries) roolez Apr 04 06:31:58 :) Apr 04 06:32:28 imo it should be a part of rootfs Apr 04 06:33:58 KotCzarny : outside the sbox, I got python-gtk2-dev (pak) in search results,but why dont it give in sbox? Apr 04 06:34:21 if you compile inside sbox it doesn't use libs from the outside Apr 04 06:34:34 if i got you right Apr 04 06:35:03 so you have to add proper repo to sbox repos too Apr 04 06:35:41 kulve: hum, using qemu-cvs-m worked Apr 04 06:35:46 apt-cache search ,is not giving the same results in sbox and outside of is Apr 04 06:38:36 kulve: if i use mcpu i don't have to set march too, right? Apr 04 06:44:58 anybody know how i can get a hildon popup message like the one used for 'Battery Full' using python? Apr 04 06:45:05 <- lazy, no pygtk experience Apr 04 06:45:05 yes Apr 04 06:45:19 but i don't know the magic word Apr 04 06:45:20 :) Apr 04 06:45:30 'please'?? Apr 04 06:45:39 erm, not this one :) Apr 04 06:45:46 but now i have to check google :) Apr 04 06:45:48 ok nm, i'll look into it Apr 04 06:46:13 http://www.daa.com.au/pipermail/pygtk/2006-October/012971.html Apr 04 06:46:32 though i should add maemo to the query Apr 04 06:48:01 KotCzarny: I think so Apr 04 06:55:53 pupnik: try searching python docs for Hildon Banner Apr 04 06:58:12 thanks! Apr 04 06:58:20 Hildon::Banner.show_information(icon, message) or similar Apr 04 06:58:50 i'd ask someone who knows python to do this, but nobody else knows how *I* want to draw :) Apr 04 06:59:01 pupnik thnaks! Apr 04 06:59:17 you seen the new mypaint solmumaha ? Apr 04 06:59:32 no Apr 04 06:59:48 do you enjoy sketching stuff? doodling? Apr 04 07:00:18 not really Apr 04 07:00:23 ok Apr 04 07:00:33 i really suck at stuff like that Apr 04 07:01:19 numpty fills my sketching needs atm Apr 04 07:24:45 morning Apr 04 07:29:57 hrw, morning Apr 04 07:30:48 morning hrw :D Apr 04 07:35:16 hi GeneralAntilles Apr 04 07:35:32 hi greentux Apr 04 07:35:35 ~curse tab Apr 04 07:35:36 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tab ! Apr 04 07:36:36 ~curse me Apr 04 07:36:37 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, arachnist ! Apr 04 07:36:47 ~curse you Apr 04 07:36:47 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, you ! Apr 04 07:36:56 ~curse ! Apr 04 07:36:56 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ! ! Apr 04 07:37:09 ~curse yourself Apr 04 07:37:10 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, yourself ! Apr 04 07:37:18 ~curse infobot Apr 04 07:37:18 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot ! Apr 04 07:37:35 is it stuck? Apr 04 07:37:51 ~rcurse Apr 04 07:37:53 ~curse KotCzarny Apr 04 07:37:54 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, KotCzarny ! Apr 04 07:37:57 hmm Apr 04 07:38:08 ~curse \ Apr 04 07:38:09 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, \ ! Apr 04 07:38:42 ~curse dupa Apr 04 07:38:43 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dupa ! Apr 04 07:38:59 ~curse myself Apr 04 07:39:00 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, myself ! Apr 04 07:39:44 [ot]ilu z nas tutaj rozumie po polsku? :>[/ot] Apr 04 07:39:55 arachnist: pewnie mało kto Apr 04 07:39:57 [ot]pewnie wielu[/ot] Apr 04 07:40:50 2 mutually-exclusive replies... ;> Apr 04 07:41:22 life Apr 04 07:42:17 morning all Apr 04 07:44:25 question, what's the probability of glibc upgrade actually succeeding? Apr 04 07:44:31 ;) Apr 04 07:45:14 how major is the upgrade and what is the source? Apr 04 07:45:30 i'm rebuilding libs with vfp Apr 04 07:45:40 vfp? Apr 04 07:45:45 fpu Apr 04 07:45:49 oh Apr 04 07:46:08 kotCzarny: I installed Python2.5-gtk2-devel,still i got pygtk not found error Apr 04 07:46:30 n800 has a usable fpu? i thought you had to use softfloat on it Apr 04 07:47:08 arachnist: it has hardware fpu, only calling it is similiar to software Apr 04 07:47:22 Do I need to set any PYTHONPATH variable Apr 04 08:22:18 ui-tweaked mypaint... http://pupnik.de/playskuul.jpg Apr 04 08:22:43 it's 2nd grade in a .deb! Apr 04 08:23:28 :D Apr 04 08:25:39 morning ssvb Apr 04 08:25:53 hi pupnik Apr 04 08:27:10 pupnik, uuh, waterculors Apr 04 08:28:12 pupnik, doesn't that make your tablet, like, wet? Apr 04 08:28:17 hehe Apr 04 08:28:38 this app might actually cause me to end u Apr 04 08:28:43 pp with a scratched screen Apr 04 08:28:49 =) Apr 04 08:29:08 < pupnik> this app might actually cause me to end u Apr 04 08:29:16 * Proteous cowers in fear Apr 04 08:29:35 there, there, pupnik isn't *that* scary ;) Apr 04 08:29:38 hah didn't catch that one Apr 04 08:29:53 pupnik: is that some painting program? Apr 04 08:30:52 yes, anders_gud hildonized mypaint (partially) and i'm tweaking it a bit Apr 04 08:31:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079 Apr 04 08:31:10 ah, nice Apr 04 08:31:13 bookmarked Apr 04 08:35:07 Meh, my wordpress patch failed to apply on 2.5 Apr 04 08:35:22 Someone added spaces inside parentheses Apr 04 08:35:34 fun Apr 04 08:35:41 thankfully, the .deb worked fine Apr 04 08:35:46 here at least ;) Apr 04 08:42:12 why is it so late already Apr 04 08:42:45 its not later than yesterday at this time :/ Apr 04 08:42:50 heh Apr 04 08:43:10 mo0 Apr 04 09:12:13 i have no clue about python / hildon :( Apr 04 10:19:28 morning Apr 04 10:46:15 Hi maemo-users. Iam trying to connect a external webcam to a n800(chinook). I have got an adapter to put additional power supply on the usb port. The kernel doesnt know about the adapter and refuses to start the device because it needs more current than n800 could handle. Can i work around that kernel limits? Apr 04 10:47:22 hmm, do the limits apply even when the device is not attached to the n800's internal hub? strange Apr 04 10:47:32 certainly you can patch the kernel Apr 04 10:47:50 sven-tek: I guess it is a hardware limit. The device just can't supply more power. Apr 04 10:48:19 the device tells the kernel via usb how much current it needs Apr 04 10:48:28 normally that would be okay Apr 04 10:48:41 but i do attach a power supply to the power line Apr 04 10:49:22 i fixed the power problem, but the kernel doesnt know about it Apr 04 10:51:51 is the external hub usually unpowered, did you hack the power connection to it? Apr 04 10:53:10 in any case you may be able to override it like so: http://lwn.net/Articles/186331/ Apr 04 10:59:55 i attached a "real" powered usb hub now. that works Apr 04 11:11:08 sven-tek: See that article, the hub identifies itself as being powered or not and the kernel reacts accordingly, etc. Apr 04 11:11:15 glad you got it working Apr 04 11:12:49 sven-tek: is there an up-to-date list of working (or non-working) usb cameras somewhere? Apr 04 11:14:43 i dont think so Apr 04 11:34:56 strange, that the func argument of gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() has the type GCallback, instead of GtkMenuPositionFunc Apr 04 11:45:16 can someone point me to a howto for pairing my N800 to my laptop (Ubuntu Gutsy) so I can sync, probably with rsync, stuff between them? Apr 04 11:46:46 I get "Couldn't display "obex://[00:19:4f:DB:BA:F5]/". Errror: Host down Apr 04 12:42:37 Does anyone know if BlueZ calls are supported in scrathbox by default or if you have to set them up to be supported in scratchbox? Apr 04 12:45:05 There has to be one Bluetooth/Meamo expert on here surely? ;) Apr 04 12:45:51 I don't get a window-state-changed signal for minimize/unminimize (iconify) on my hildon.Window - how do I detect these changes? Apr 04 12:45:52 how can i add an app to select applets? Apr 04 12:45:56 ????? Apr 04 12:57:13 I've used bluetooth on desktop gnome linux before Apr 04 12:57:21 not heavily Apr 04 13:12:36 how hard would it be to add chinese characters to the n800...I don't me to be able to type it, but at least to be able to display web pages and apps that have chinese characters. I'm in china, and I see the dictionary in the applications list that will translate to chinese, and that would be beneficial for my chinese friends (and may even help me from time to time) Apr 04 13:13:36 WormFood: I know someone who can probably answer that Apr 04 13:13:45 one of my professors is from china Apr 04 13:13:50 and was looking at the n800 Apr 04 13:14:01 cool...where in China? beijing? Apr 04 13:14:01 if you give me your e-mail, I'll see if he can answer you Apr 04 13:14:16 I think he said northeast china Apr 04 13:14:19 but I'm not sure Apr 04 13:15:11 I'm sure it can be done, but it did not seem to be like a feature nokia wanted to implement Apr 04 13:15:17 both he and I are in the US Apr 04 13:15:23 well Apr 04 13:15:34 I wouldn't be surprised if it is implemented in a later version of the OS Apr 04 13:15:44 or if the community added it Apr 04 13:15:53 maybe they didn't want a million chinese clones using their software ;) Apr 04 13:16:30 yeah, you did say FROM china...I was thinking IN china...my bad Apr 04 13:16:40 WormFood: what i did was stick a unicode font in ~/.fonts Apr 04 13:16:51 MangoFusion, did it work? Apr 04 13:16:54 like arialb Apr 04 13:16:56 works fine Apr 04 13:17:00 awesome Apr 04 13:17:02 wormfood: yeah, probably Apr 04 13:17:14 wormfood: there might be more info here Apr 04 13:17:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/ Apr 04 13:17:57 of course if you want something more advanced like chinese input, would probably be worth your time looking at that cjk input stuff Apr 04 13:23:58 WormFood: i don't know how stable it is but maybe look at http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org Apr 04 13:43:37 how can i add an app to select applets? Apr 04 13:43:43 ???? Apr 04 13:48:19 please someone reply me! Apr 04 13:49:58 hello? Apr 04 13:52:07 Italodance: I do not understand your question Apr 04 13:54:16 hey, does is there a stumbler app for maemo? Apr 04 13:54:36 in other words, a program to aggressively search for (and possibly record) wireless networks Apr 04 13:55:02 *hey, is there a... Apr 04 13:55:05 mikedep333: there's kismet, but it's passive, rather than active. which makes it better :> Apr 04 13:55:11 oh, cool Apr 04 13:55:15 I was reading about that Apr 04 13:55:25 there are working packages for it2007, but none yet for it2008 afaik Apr 04 13:55:31 ok Apr 04 13:55:45 I wonder if anybody wrote a package to help you get into encrypted networks Apr 04 13:56:01 without entering a ton of commands Apr 04 13:56:42 not quite Apr 04 13:56:44 there's aircrack Apr 04 13:56:51 which is partially working Apr 04 13:56:54 I see Apr 04 13:57:02 mypaint kicks ass Apr 04 13:57:03 http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg Apr 04 13:57:06 that is, everything except the replay Apr 04 13:57:23 mikedep333: you need a separate computer for that Apr 04 13:57:46 mikedep333: that may become operational on the next revision of the wireless drivers Apr 04 14:00:10 mgedmin how can i canola to my n800 desktop? Apr 04 14:00:43 well do u know "select applets" in "Home"? Apr 04 14:01:24 yeah, I know how you often need a certain wireless card in linux for wireless security functionality Apr 04 14:01:31 Italodance: yes Apr 04 14:01:40 LOL http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/lcars/ Apr 04 14:01:49 do you want to add something like applets to start programs from your desktop? Apr 04 14:01:57 old stuff Apr 04 14:02:07 there probably are a couple of applets that let you do that Apr 04 14:02:15 iirc one is called "SimpleLauncher" or something like that Apr 04 14:02:18 I prefer the apps menu Apr 04 14:02:29 what about guys bluesnarfing software for n810? Apr 04 14:03:51 morning Apr 04 14:04:25 hay gaiz is der ne software to get mai gf's hotmail pazzword? Apr 04 14:06:23 procto: u chose wrong channel, Apr 04 14:06:57 mgedmin yes Apr 04 14:13:44 Are there people that are planning to go to LinuxTag 2008 in Berlin? Apr 04 14:15:00 <_berto_> X-Fade_: probably me Apr 04 14:15:18 * mikedep333 wishes he knew german and was living in Germany Apr 04 14:16:15 _berto_: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/linuxtag2008/ Apr 04 14:17:31 sounds interesting Apr 04 14:17:47 <_berto_> X-Fade_: yeah, saw the mail in maemo-developers, thanks Apr 04 14:18:45 damn, going to a wedding that weekend Apr 04 14:18:59 would have to be a short trip, hmm Apr 04 14:19:18 lardman: Skip saturday :) Apr 04 14:20:04 yeah, just that my gf and I wanted to visit Berlin anyway, I thought it might kill two birds, etc. Apr 04 14:20:35 lardman: Yeah, that is a good idea. Apr 04 14:21:34 what day is the maemo stuff? Apr 04 14:22:00 or too early I suppose Apr 04 14:22:21 I don't have the specifics on it yet. Apr 04 14:22:51 not to worry Apr 04 14:23:28 I've added a list to the wiki, where you can add your name. So others can see who is coming too. Apr 04 14:23:40 hi guys Apr 04 14:23:54 i have a stupid question about xchat, could someone help me? Apr 04 14:24:21 how can i add someone's nick plus a ":" automatically... Apr 04 14:25:02 harry: preferences, input box Apr 04 14:25:05 press tab probably, depends on the client, still have to add the : by hand Apr 04 14:25:21 harry: settings, preferences, input box Apr 04 14:25:35 you can set the suffix Apr 04 14:25:53 oh, Apr 04 14:26:11 trickie, thanks :) Apr 04 14:26:19 np Apr 04 14:26:35 trickie: you are so nice :P Apr 04 14:27:01 ha Apr 04 14:27:05 now i will be off, see you :) Apr 04 14:28:01 network maintenance, time to go home early :) Apr 04 14:28:04 have a nice weekend all Apr 04 14:29:03 lol, a really badly mislabeled thread on the ubuntu forums Apr 04 14:29:05 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=745080 Apr 04 14:29:41 that's in discussion for hardy, 8.04 which is being released this month Apr 04 14:30:51 Hmmm... Stupid question that is probably in the manual somewhere but what is the easiest way to swap batteries (without losing state)? Apr 04 14:33:22 I doubt that's possible without shutting down Apr 04 14:33:33 X-Fade_: wow 4 slots at linuxtag? are that all full talks or are some also set as workshop? Apr 04 14:33:41 the tablets are not wired to take AC power directly Apr 04 14:34:41 jott: I will try to find out, I know as much as you do at the moment ;) Apr 04 14:36:36 hey, I have a question for native English speakers. Which one of these labels do you like better "My downloads folder", "My download folder" (plural vc singular) Apr 04 14:37:19 kenne: b) (not native) Apr 04 14:37:20 ew, you said "My" Apr 04 14:37:30 That's a different problem ;) Apr 04 14:37:34 b too, but not native :) Apr 04 14:38:01 Nice.. Forgot about LinuxTag. Maybe I'll join this year Apr 04 14:38:26 :) Apr 04 14:38:35 mgedmin: I was afraid of that. I suppose the next best option is some form of suspend-to-flash... Apr 04 14:40:09 It seems the maemo block in on thursday, so lardman... you can make it ;) Apr 04 14:41:26 will there be a maemo booth? Apr 04 14:43:31 hey, anybody knows what is the current format of the browser's history on maemo for n810? Apr 04 14:43:45 it used to be timestamp and the url, basically Apr 04 14:44:12 now the field that I wonder be the timestamp one, looks like 1207319718186 Apr 04 14:44:23 but I think it isn't a valid timestamp Apr 04 14:53:56 What is the best password managing program for Maemo? Apr 04 14:54:37 henrique: its ms not s as it seems :) Apr 04 14:55:04 (so divide by 1000) Apr 04 14:55:37 jott: Probably javascript time? Apr 04 14:56:21 possibly Apr 04 14:56:43 great Apr 04 14:56:48 jott, thanks Apr 04 14:57:07 http://xkcd.com/376/ ;> Apr 04 14:57:28 so what exactly do I need to do to add chinese fonts? Is it more than just dropping the fonts in the right directory and rebooting? Apr 04 14:57:43 I love xkcd Apr 04 15:00:12 why reboot? Apr 04 15:00:31 run xterm and do "fc-cache -f" - should be enough for new apps Apr 04 15:02:06 doesn't http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/downloads_os2008.html have a package for this Apr 04 15:04:21 if the deb doesn't suit you at least you can inspect it to find if it does anything fun Apr 04 15:04:39 but I presume drop and fc-cache or reboot should probably do it Apr 04 15:06:47 jott, hehe, nice :) Apr 04 15:07:26 hrw, why do I have to reboot with installing omweather app? Apr 04 15:08:14 WormFood: ask omweather authors Apr 04 15:09:16 WormFood: maemo is full of packages which require strange actions (like reboot) or remove user data without even asking for permission (ukmp) Apr 04 15:09:43 it is more like winblows, and less like linux :( Apr 04 15:09:48 I never reboot my desktop Apr 04 15:10:05 WormFood: simple: it is maemo Apr 04 15:10:06 hrw: hmmmm the benefits of unmaintained repositories Apr 04 15:10:29 jott: benefits of lack of idea how to create community Apr 04 15:11:31 jott: it looks like nokia's way to create community is: sell devices, give people server (with less-then-enough bandwidth) for hosting stuff (maemo.org) and forget about it Apr 04 15:12:50 result is: random developers create random repositories as there is no central repo with clean rules of how to submit packages Apr 04 15:12:59 am I right Apr 04 15:13:00 ? Apr 04 15:13:39 hrw: I really don't know Apr 04 15:14:05 but I really think that as community we are also failing to provide enough hacks Apr 04 15:14:06 my n810 has 42 repositories listed and I still need to compile apps Apr 04 15:14:20 hrw: it's normal with open source software ;) Apr 04 15:14:36 termsig: I maintained OpenZaurus distribution Apr 04 15:15:02 ah, my fault then. Apr 04 15:15:24 termsig: it had team of developers, central repository with lot of software, one maintained wiki with documentation etc Apr 04 15:15:47 and then sell us broken N800s Apr 04 15:15:49 termsig: maemo has 4 years. still no repository, still hard to use wiki Apr 04 15:17:25 and only 4 devices to support Apr 04 15:17:25 Well, one _could_ create a community provided repository.. Apr 04 15:17:55 pff that takes work ;-) Apr 04 15:18:03 when 770 is out of business and n800/n810/n810wme are nearly identical when it comes to hardware Apr 04 15:18:14 I can host it, as long as the bandwidth does not exceed 400 gig per month ;) Apr 04 15:18:56 it sure would scratch a whole lot of itches Apr 04 15:19:01 come on... Apr 04 15:19:02 WormFood: maemo.org should host it Apr 04 15:19:18 nobody is stopping us Apr 04 15:22:43 keesj: nobody? maybe. but it did not happened and I do not think that it will Apr 04 15:23:23 but it's not all nokias fault Apr 04 15:23:45 keesj: now, when nokia bought trolltech and some of maemo guys left who know does next tablet (if there will be any) be still gtk or maybe rather qt Apr 04 15:24:11 hrw: and that is plain fud Apr 04 15:24:54 jott: right - they only create and sell hardware + pay for internal team to make initial software (the one preinstalled on devices) Apr 04 15:25:07 I know why I did not fullfill my tasks, and yes the organisation is part of that. Apr 04 15:25:12 keesj: qt part? yes. new tablets? who know Apr 04 15:25:29 s/yes/yes, it is fud Apr 04 15:29:47 and now we have quiet channel ;D Apr 04 15:30:45 All preparing the community repository, I guess.. ;-p Apr 04 15:31:17 ;))) Apr 04 15:31:26 well either nokia will hire some maintainers for a repository or there have to be people willing to put much free time in it to build an initial infrastructure Apr 04 15:32:11 jott: I do not think that first choice will ever happen Apr 04 15:32:13 .. problem is, that at the moment most developers will have to do the packaging.. Apr 04 15:32:40 and fail (as e.g. ukmp) as it's not their expertise Apr 04 15:33:48 jott: nokia-maemo team rather do not care about maintainable repository -- they prefer to reflash whole devices instead and randomly close source random applications Apr 04 15:34:04 ~seen lardman Apr 04 15:34:05 lardman was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 6m 1s ago, saying: 'have a nice weekend all'. Apr 04 15:34:53 hrw: yeah well atleast it seems there is now some inital effort to get a community support repository running :) Apr 04 15:35:01 supported Apr 04 15:35:06 hrw: that flashing is a fack , but there are really people trying to make it better Apr 04 15:35:22 good to know Apr 04 15:35:25 Actually I have no idea how debian repositories are managed. Is it a hard thing to do? I'd naively guess that the worst part is the "community process" Apr 04 15:35:38 keesj: where I can read about it? Apr 04 15:36:13 with magic. Apr 04 15:36:25 Blafasel: Debian use autobuilders. developer upload sources, autobuilder build them (using software from build-depends) and if it success then package is uploaded to repo Apr 04 15:36:30 Blafasel: thats in short Apr 04 15:36:43 hrw: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_wme_en_R1.html "Seamless software update. Seamless update functionality allows software updates over-the-air." Apr 04 15:37:39 jott: I hope that it wont be 'user: your tablet is not upgrading' without details (user do not care about them) and confirmation Apr 04 15:37:47 haha Apr 04 15:37:53 yeah Apr 04 15:38:22 because software updating is present even in maemo os2005 - with crap called application manager Apr 04 15:39:45 yeah well atleast they realized that re-flashing for minor package bumps is not as user-friendly as it might seem *g* Apr 04 15:39:59 heh, I was about to suggest to use the bugtracker to select the person for the Bugmaster job - e.g. using the oldest open bug Apr 04 15:40:17 but that's mine... Apr 04 15:41:19 florian: be careful what you say! Apr 04 15:41:34 I just looked at maemo page and that reminded me one of my tshirts.. Apr 04 15:42:22 'maemo - code in your hands'... it is on t-shirt from guadec which is for special occasions - like redecorations or other when I can get too dirty Apr 04 15:42:22 what t-shirt? "I reported 100 bugs and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" ? ;) Apr 04 15:42:42 jott: No I don't think that I want this job :-} Apr 04 15:42:59 florian: why not? it is easy... Apr 04 15:43:16 WONTFIX WORKSFORME is all you need Apr 04 15:43:19 florian: close half of bugs as WONTFIX, random part as LATER and Apr 04 15:43:38 florian: if bug comment mention 770 - WONTFIX Apr 04 15:43:45 if it mention os2007 - WONTFIX Apr 04 15:43:54 if gps on n810 - wontfix Apr 04 15:44:07 hrw MCEGuru v0.3-2 can play tv chans? Apr 04 15:44:41 Italodance: it depends on wind direction on Sahara or I have no idea - choose answer Apr 04 15:44:57 hrw: I could never do that - that's why it wouldn't be that easy for me. I have quite some experience with bug reporting but I would definitely try hard to improve the experience with bugs.maemo.org Apr 04 15:45:39 florian: I gave up with reporting maemo bugs Apr 04 15:46:05 florian: too often I feel that the only answer would be IGNORE or WONTFIX Apr 04 15:46:09 btw. Is this a known fact that the license for the commercial Navicore software for the 77 works with the software on the N810 as well? :) Apr 04 15:46:27 florian: iirc it was told even Apr 04 15:46:54 hrw: The last thing I did was to re-open #19 :) Apr 04 15:48:06 florian: I see ;) Apr 04 15:48:23 hrw can it be tv tuner? Apr 04 15:48:42 florian: its: she will fix it. no, he will fix it. no, she will, he will, fixed. no, it is not. she will fix it Apr 04 15:49:11 florian: 5eur then os2010 will reopen #19 (if it will be fixed in meantime)? Apr 04 15:49:36 Italodance: after your question I looked briefly at website and have no idea Apr 04 15:49:36 hrw: You see why I would have to work on helping to improve the user experience ;-) Apr 04 15:49:42 Is the latest post on ITT messed up for everyone? Apr 04 15:49:48 "Transformative ..." Apr 04 15:49:53 * hrw do not read forums Apr 04 15:50:02 hrw: Article, not forum post Apr 04 15:50:11 hrw: sorry I was away, view the fosdem presenation http://www.fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/472 Apr 04 15:50:12 http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/transformative-apps-for-the-internet-tablet/ Apr 04 15:50:15 Blafasel: ok, I do not read itt Apr 04 15:50:15 That one Apr 04 15:50:20 hrw: ;) Apr 04 15:51:02 Blafasel: article is not messed. graphics just fscked layout Apr 04 15:53:11 keesj: sorry to say but slides are typical blablabla Apr 04 15:53:21 fetching video Apr 04 15:56:05 I 'love' how embedded devices distros like to say that they are 'Debian like'. Apr 04 15:56:48 maemo has only few parts Debian-like - dpkg+apt and system layout + few ideas. too bad that its all Apr 04 15:57:35 Has anyone configered Bluetooth hardware to work with Scratchbox? Is it possible? Apr 04 16:05:32 hrw: Is this something for you perhaps? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-April/017292.html Apr 04 16:12:40 X-Fade_: definitelly not Apr 04 16:12:41 X-Fade_: to be maemo bugmaster you need to like maemo and know developers Apr 04 16:12:41 I tolerate maemo (which is far from 'I like maemo') and do not know developers Apr 04 16:12:41 and I really REALLY do not like some of maemo rules Apr 04 16:12:54 hrw: Well, it would be a possibility to change things for the better. Apr 04 16:13:39 X-Fade_: sooner I would apply to OpenEmbedded bugmaster then maemo Apr 04 16:14:31 X-Fade_: for example i18n bugs have high priority for me but they are WONTFIX for maemo team Apr 04 16:15:18 hrw: That is what this job is all about. See what priorities etc there are in the community. Apr 04 16:18:54 * elb prioritizes a real terminal real quick while nobody is looking Apr 04 16:24:15 the question is, will they actually listen? Apr 04 16:25:53 keesj: presentation is quite interesting Apr 04 16:26:40 keesj: it is like 'your tablet is like phone, but you can install 3rdparty stuff'. like phone because 'there is no such thing as system packages - there is system image only' Apr 04 16:41:08 hi Apr 04 16:47:58 hmm, im starting to wonder if modest repects the "download headers only" option... Apr 04 17:20:05 does anybody have experience using gtkmm with maemo 2.2? Is it even possible? Apr 04 17:25:51 roadmap_1.1.0i.OSMtest-1_armel.deb is it only for europe? Apr 04 17:34:46 hrw: what it's your exp with running java on 810? Apr 04 17:53:00 can anyone recommend a usb soundcard with midi i/o, and two 1/4" jacks that can record from guitar (i.e.) to line level. Size is a concern. Apr 04 17:53:17 MOTU or M-Audio Apr 04 17:53:19 oops Apr 04 17:53:26 sorry wrong channel :-) Apr 04 17:53:31 Still. ;) Apr 04 17:53:40 The MOTU Traveler is pretty badass if you've got the cash. Apr 04 17:53:46 yeah, its alsa support that im worried about Apr 04 17:53:49 I use one for mobile recording. Apr 04 17:54:25 the idea is to have it all (eeepc, axon ax50, soundcard) fit in the gig bag Apr 04 17:55:36 uh way too big Apr 04 17:55:41 and firewaire Apr 04 17:55:49 uh firewire Apr 04 17:58:01 M-Audio has the more mobile stuff, Luria. Apr 04 17:59:51 the alsa wiki has me worried. i use a maudio midi-usb device which works fine with jack, but the recent dacs look like they have less support. Apr 04 18:00:15 Luria! Apr 04 18:00:32 uh, yes? Apr 04 18:00:58 Luria is girl name? Apr 04 18:01:16 is a family name, though not mine. Apr 04 18:01:29 google is your friend Apr 04 18:01:43 aha Apr 04 18:03:40 Diablo is coming for N800? Apr 04 18:09:37 that was allways the plan iirc, Italodance Apr 04 18:21:00 someone did installed flite_1[1].3_armel.deb? Apr 04 18:22:25 can it reads on os2008? Apr 04 18:29:12 uh keesj is there any interest in that dude's mypaint? Apr 04 18:29:21 oops i was stuck in scrollback Apr 04 18:30:35 lol Apr 04 18:32:10 well that shiznit has to get onto maemo.org soon Apr 04 18:32:17 What does? Apr 04 18:32:26 but it does need some userfriendlification Apr 04 18:32:34 mypaint dude Apr 04 18:32:40 it needs some notmultiplewindowsification Apr 04 18:32:43 i did not understand... Apr 04 18:33:06 yes for n800s Apr 04 18:33:15 for n810s the keyboard has all the stuff Apr 04 18:33:25 http://pupnik.de/mypaint_cmds1sm.jpg Apr 04 18:33:40 and i mean seriously... once you map that stuff and learn it. Apr 04 18:33:46 lol Apr 04 18:33:49 took me about 7 hours Apr 04 18:33:59 it was like HOLY CRAP Apr 04 18:34:13 unique311 was trying to tell me all along Apr 04 18:34:17 and i just didn't get it Apr 04 18:34:20 but he was so right Apr 04 18:34:24 I have custom maps on all of my image editing software Apr 04 18:34:35 good stuff Apr 04 18:34:49 left hand shortcuts, right hand always on the mouse Apr 04 18:35:08 have you tried drawing with mtpaint, sketchbook or the gimp? Apr 04 18:35:15 on the tablet? Apr 04 18:35:26 nope Apr 04 18:35:39 I tried mtpaint for a second Apr 04 18:35:42 didn't like it Apr 04 18:36:08 how flite_1[1].3_armel.deb can works on my n800 os2008? Apr 04 18:36:12 where is the voice? how? Apr 04 18:36:33 same here, and the old mypaint sucked too Apr 04 18:36:45 There's a new mypaint now? Apr 04 18:37:01 but anders_gud made such a fsaclkjbing awesome version Apr 04 18:37:04 Old one sucked balls Apr 04 18:37:11 dude Apr 04 18:37:42 after 10 hours with his mypaint and my mofifications i did this. http://pupnik.de/igannik.jpg Apr 04 18:37:47 freehand Apr 04 18:38:02 best pic i ever drew Apr 04 18:38:06 that's how much it rocks Apr 04 18:38:10 linky to the new mypaint? Apr 04 18:38:21 I've always liked colors on the DS Apr 04 18:38:25 check the thread Apr 04 18:38:46 Pressure sensitivity on the DS ain't as sensitive :o Apr 04 18:39:13 i never in my life Apr 04 18:39:21 after years of putzing around with pencils Apr 04 18:39:28 got that kind of light working Apr 04 18:39:33 heh Apr 04 18:40:11 and i'm not an artist. all i can get motivated to draw are women, more or less Apr 04 18:40:12 hey KotCzarny_ Apr 04 18:40:39 Kinda makes me wish I had an N810. Not really. Apr 04 18:41:10 Though, I DO wish I had a USB keyboard Apr 04 18:41:13 yeah good onscreen adjustments have never been done yet Apr 04 18:42:29 synergy Apr 04 18:42:45 I do use synergy Apr 04 18:42:47 me likes my n810 Apr 04 18:42:49 i just got it yesterday Apr 04 18:42:50 hi pupnik Apr 04 18:42:55 but that limits me to just using it at home Apr 04 18:43:39 I will synergy in remotely and you can /msg me the keys you'd like hit. Apr 04 18:43:46 Will do! Apr 04 18:44:05 heh Apr 04 18:44:10 the thing about synergy is that Apr 04 18:44:22 whenever I use it, I put my N800 into the N810 keyboard mode Apr 04 18:44:59 and I forget to switch it back to the onscreen keyboard when I leave, so I'm stuck with either rebooting it or not using it Apr 04 18:45:52 what 'repo' is this webkit in? not Midori, but the other? Apr 04 18:46:12 it's in either extras or extras-devel Apr 04 18:46:18 I forget which Apr 04 18:46:29 you can't see it from the app manager unless you're in red pill mode Apr 04 18:46:33 best to apt-get it Apr 04 18:48:34 red pill mode eh Apr 04 18:48:42 there is still a lot i got to learn about this device lol Apr 04 18:48:55 so Apr 04 18:49:06 excellent. Apr 04 18:49:09 all i've done so far... is install becomeroot and openssh-server Apr 04 18:49:17 any ideas where to start Apr 04 18:49:23 you can turn on red pill mode by going add new catalog, type matrix in for url and hit cancel Apr 04 18:49:41 all rightee, mypaint just froze my tablet. Apr 04 18:50:11 >_> Apr 04 18:52:12 I wonder Apr 04 18:52:37 is it possible to bring up the hildon color picker in python? Apr 04 19:01:29 Navi> what other cool apps to install? Apr 04 19:02:35 mplayer Apr 04 19:02:40 nice Apr 04 19:02:49 i got two other linux boxes here Apr 04 19:02:58 but they are solely for myth/vdr purposes Apr 04 19:03:09 i got mplayer on em tho Apr 04 19:03:19 simple apt-get install mplayer Apr 04 19:03:20 ? Apr 04 19:03:49 you can do it that way Apr 04 19:03:57 you can also use the app manager too, if you want Apr 04 19:05:01 phunguy, install numtyphysics Apr 04 19:05:10 http://compsci.ca/blog/if-a-programming-language-was-a-boat/ <| rofl Apr 04 19:05:15 numptyphysics Apr 04 19:05:34 I like numpty physics Apr 04 19:05:37 but it's so incomplete Apr 04 19:05:43 and crashes often Apr 04 19:05:46 but its fun Apr 04 19:06:19 Wish we had the real crayon physics though Apr 04 19:06:32 and I wish I could draw circles as well as my calculus teacher Apr 04 19:07:10 tiny circles on nokia Apr 04 19:08:18 hmm. I can't find the webkit package -- nor do I see it on gronmayer.com/it Apr 04 19:09:07 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemowebkit/: This project has not released any files. Apr 04 19:09:24 hrm Apr 04 19:09:32 numptyphysics Apr 04 19:09:37 what repository is it on? Apr 04 19:09:39 lcuk: probably svn co Apr 04 19:10:03 probs kot, didnt look Apr 04 19:10:11 Navi? Apr 04 19:10:22 http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 04 19:11:17 then just dpkg -i numptyphysics_0.1_770.deb Apr 04 19:11:21 ? or should i build from svn? Apr 04 19:12:12 whichever makes you happy Apr 04 19:13:56 woops Apr 04 19:14:00 gotta install wget lol Apr 04 19:14:15 Nokia-N800-51-3:~# apt-cache search webkit Apr 04 19:14:17 libwebkitgtk-1.0 - Web content engine library for Gtk+ Apr 04 19:14:31 ^ fysa Apr 04 19:14:31 oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was just the lib. Apr 04 19:14:35 duh Apr 04 19:15:38 wow i feel new Apr 04 19:15:43 how do i run this now that i've install it Apr 04 19:15:44 rofl Apr 04 19:15:45 :/ Apr 04 19:15:51 phunguy Apr 04 19:16:01 if you visit that numptyphysics page from your IT device Apr 04 19:16:07 then click on the deb and Open.. Apr 04 19:16:14 Application Catalog will automatically run and install it for you. Apr 04 19:16:26 no shell necessary Apr 04 19:16:40 but learning shell is beneficial Apr 04 19:16:43 :) Apr 04 19:16:43 uhh Apr 04 19:16:46 i already installed it via shell Apr 04 19:16:47 in the menu.. Apr 04 19:16:52 it will be in Extras Apr 04 19:16:54 i wget'd the deb and ran dpkg -i on it Apr 04 19:17:02 thx Apr 04 19:17:13 there it is :)_ Apr 04 19:17:23 both my other linux boxes are debian Apr 04 19:17:27 so i have basic knowledge Apr 04 19:17:30 cool Apr 04 19:17:41 then you feel at home with nokia IT Apr 04 19:17:42 :) Apr 04 19:18:01 yaya :) Apr 04 19:18:18 I find packages from my desktop browser Apr 04 19:18:20 i saw that someone compiled a mythtv frontend on the n810 Apr 04 19:18:28 I usually copy the link and wget it from my tablet Apr 04 19:18:30 that excited me Apr 04 19:18:42 Made you go out and buy one? Apr 04 19:18:46 XD Apr 04 19:21:24 lol Apr 04 19:21:37 this numpty physics would be fun Apr 04 19:21:51 if i could actually draw the solution before the dang ball drops Apr 04 19:22:30 oh i see Apr 04 19:22:31 lol Apr 04 19:26:04 we're god's "ant farm" and he's a kid on break from school Apr 04 19:26:05 * pupnik is getting deep Apr 04 19:26:47 hmm Apr 04 19:27:40 i'm jewmuslimtheist Apr 04 19:28:16 it doesn't matter who you are, once you're dead, you're dead Apr 04 19:28:17 :) Apr 04 19:28:36 and eaten by worms Apr 04 19:28:40 and bacteria Apr 04 19:29:28 we're like a luxury ships bred by bacteria ;) Apr 04 19:29:36 to explore new lands Apr 04 19:29:37 :> Apr 04 19:29:50 i donice Apr 04 19:29:52 nice Apr 04 19:29:52 nice Apr 04 19:29:59 damn this damn Apr 04 19:30:01 game Apr 04 19:30:06 i can't get past level 2 Apr 04 19:30:11 :) Apr 04 19:30:13 you will Apr 04 19:30:16 eventually Apr 04 19:30:29 i wish it was like "The Incredible Machine" where it let you build before it started the level Apr 04 19:30:55 hmm level 2 of what game? Apr 04 19:31:04 humpty numpty Apr 04 19:31:09 phunguy: um, press space Apr 04 19:31:12 hrm Apr 04 19:31:15 rofl Apr 04 19:31:25 hahah Apr 04 19:31:27 i just picked up my n800 again recently Apr 04 19:31:31 that makes it so much better Apr 04 19:31:47 here i am drawing solutions in teh 3 seconds it takes for the ball to drop Apr 04 19:31:52 meh... at least i got to level 2 Apr 04 19:31:53 lol Apr 04 19:32:07 is humpty numpty a maemo game? Apr 04 19:32:14 apparently Apr 04 19:32:31 any url for it? Apr 04 19:32:33 but it's named 'numpty' Apr 04 19:32:37 google does not help Apr 04 19:32:53 'numpty physics' Apr 04 19:32:56 that is Apr 04 19:33:14 http://numptyphysics.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 04 19:34:50 ah cool Apr 04 19:34:56 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=165008#post165008 is interesting too Apr 04 19:35:07 that mypaint program looks quite fun Apr 04 19:35:58 kids! Apr 04 19:36:01 heh Apr 04 19:36:02 :) Apr 04 19:36:59 w00t Apr 04 19:37:02 here is a off the wall q. does anyone use their n800/n810 along w/ a Apple Airport Extreme and experience frequent router crashes required a power cycle of the router? Apr 04 19:37:02 apt-get install mypaint Apr 04 19:37:26 hrm Apr 04 19:37:28 weird Apr 04 19:37:41 dought: there was a story of netgear router version that crashed n8x0/770 Apr 04 19:37:55 so everything is possible Apr 04 19:37:56 i guess Apr 04 19:38:28 KotCzarny: makes debugging stuff at home a real monster. Apr 04 19:38:39 yeah Apr 04 19:38:46 i just use openwrt with wrt54g Apr 04 19:39:35 never had any problem:) Apr 04 19:43:55 same here Apr 04 19:44:02 i got hyperwrt on a wrt54g Apr 04 19:44:05 no troubie Apr 04 19:50:13 we crash the work router every time we close an ftp session Apr 04 19:50:24 brand/fw ? Apr 04 19:51:04 set top routers SUCK Apr 04 19:51:10 "routers" Apr 04 19:51:19 elb: works for me :) Apr 04 19:51:20 dlink whatever adsl/4 port router Apr 04 19:51:30 KotCzarny: you're lucky, then Apr 04 19:51:35 maybe Apr 04 19:51:41 OpenWRT is much better than the stock firmwares, in general Apr 04 19:51:41 lmfao Apr 04 19:51:42 last uptime was ~90days Apr 04 19:51:49 then i have pulled out wrong cable Apr 04 19:51:52 simply because it provides bug fixes for even older hardware Apr 04 19:51:55 when moving laptop Apr 04 19:51:56 ;) Apr 04 19:52:01 I was using a white brush as an eraser Apr 04 19:52:10 I'm pretty sure it has some pretty busted DNS actions, though Apr 04 19:52:15 and I instinctively blew on the screen to clear away the eraser residue Apr 04 19:52:17 >_> Apr 04 19:52:22 elb: dns actions? Apr 04 19:52:32 a colloquialism Apr 04 19:52:37 :D lol navi - i havent done that in a while - when i first started with tablet drawing i did though Apr 04 19:52:37 :) Apr 04 19:52:38 I mean I believe it displays broken DNS behavior Apr 04 19:52:45 dhcpd works, also dnsmasq Apr 04 19:52:50 oh - and now i draw with a black screen so that may explain it Apr 04 19:53:00 (if I recall correctly, it has problems with some AAAA records) Apr 04 19:53:03 lcuk, I do it when I draw on the DS Apr 04 19:53:09 still >_> Apr 04 19:53:10 "works" is such a vague term Apr 04 19:53:10 i don't use ipv6 (yet) Apr 04 19:53:18 so can't test/confirm Apr 04 19:53:55 the thing which still gets my goat about the ds is why arent both touch :'( Apr 04 19:53:59 right, that's what I'm saying -- you're lucky Apr 04 19:54:15 I also have no problems with OpenWRT, because of the way I'm using it Apr 04 19:54:23 lucky means my testcase can't be copied :) Apr 04 19:54:28 lcuk, because most people can't use two hands at once? Apr 04 19:54:30 * Navi shrugs Apr 04 19:54:33 well, few problems, one of my routers' hardware is poorly supported Apr 04 19:54:37 my old laptop works for what i use it for - but it wont run any software Apr 04 19:54:44 but I don't hold that against openwrt :-) Apr 04 19:54:49 :) Apr 04 19:54:54 nahhh navi - i keep wanting to stylus on it Apr 04 19:55:09 at least openwrt is (relatively) current :) Apr 04 19:55:18 the amount of games that would use both screens at once is very limited Apr 04 19:55:28 I should look to see about updating my poorly supported router Apr 04 19:55:31 it may be better now Apr 04 19:55:45 it's running some prerelease image right now, and I have to reset all its settings if it loses power Apr 04 19:55:47 i know, it wasnt at once - i dont hold 2 styluses Apr 04 19:55:55 :) Apr 04 19:56:10 I did, once Apr 04 19:56:14 it was fun Apr 04 19:56:37 heh, i'm still on whiterussian rc6 Apr 04 19:56:38 :> Apr 04 19:57:06 does anyone have a large format finger touch sensitive tablet - how sensitive are they when leaning on one edge of them - i know the 810 is bad and thats tiny. my only experience is with an active stylus Apr 04 19:57:37 i have one, but it's on another continent right now Apr 04 19:57:38 ;) Apr 04 19:57:44 long arms Apr 04 19:58:39 well since you have one when drawing on it, did you have to hold arm in the air or was it tolerent to your resting on one part with side of wrist and scratching with stylus Apr 04 19:58:47 or did it flick around all over Apr 04 19:59:25 it's a x41t Apr 04 19:59:32 1.6kg Apr 04 19:59:33 ;) Apr 04 19:59:56 so it's quite stable Apr 04 20:00:04 but tiresome if holding in air Apr 04 20:01:24 it's also magnetic i believe Apr 04 20:01:25 not stable like that - i mean - if you put two fingers on nokia cursor goes bonkers - do you have to hold arm up to prevent the big tablet going bonkers if you catch it with your wrist or sleeve Apr 04 20:01:43 because it detects pen hovering over the screen Apr 04 20:01:52 right - its an active stylus :) Apr 04 20:01:57 finger touch doesnt work Apr 04 20:02:01 no batteries required though Apr 04 20:02:02 so you can touch it with everything Apr 04 20:02:03 :) Apr 04 20:02:05 cool Apr 04 20:02:20 the last one i had (which is embedded inside a laptop) was similar Apr 04 20:02:26 inside it's some kind of wacom i think Apr 04 20:03:25 lcuk: as for nokia ts, try using your fingers Apr 04 20:03:32 it requires quite a push Apr 04 20:03:45 probably because of screen protector that i use Apr 04 20:04:10 yer but when im not resting my wrist on my cradle i catch it - infact its more smallfry who plays and gets frustrated cos hes writing his name or something and the cursor fucks off west Apr 04 20:04:42 ah, yes Apr 04 20:04:53 all the way to the zero x coord? Apr 04 20:05:25 no, just halfpoint between stylus and where wrist pressure applied :) its actually calculatably removable i just havent got round to it yet :) Apr 04 20:05:32 hum Apr 04 20:06:07 then probably that's the way driver works Apr 04 20:06:08 :) Apr 04 20:06:17 there is only so much range a stroke can make in a timeframe (lets say 30 pixels) - if it fucks off yonder for 800 pixels ignore it ;) Apr 04 20:07:46 i might even put vectors in that and atttempt to carry on the current direction if anomalies occur. technically a second point could be managed that way Apr 04 20:08:11 btw. you remember that raw mode for reading pressure ? Apr 04 20:08:20 yer you want? Apr 04 20:08:27 does it also return uncalibrated coords? Apr 04 20:08:33 or calibrated ones? Apr 04 20:08:43 yes and the ones from the wiki arent correct for what i was using Apr 04 20:09:11 it would be interesting if those values fluctuate Apr 04 20:09:17 and how much Apr 04 20:09:29 ie make a coordograph app Apr 04 20:09:31 they do - its temperature dependant Apr 04 20:09:49 hmm, we have a temp. sensor in retu-adc Apr 04 20:09:59 2 of them i believe Apr 04 20:10:46 its not so much drift - i just noticed after i first aligned it and then played some more it was off - only by a fraction - i knew because i coded it to return a max when i put fingernail under the lip Apr 04 20:11:00 and after it warmed up it gave me values out of bounds Apr 04 20:11:07 its also not square Apr 04 20:11:30 ie, y=3000 for bottom left, y=3050 bottom right Apr 04 20:12:01 it was enough for me to have to put extra bounds checking in Apr 04 20:12:17 so pressing and holding won't drift in readings? Apr 04 20:12:32 yes but thats only because you cannot physically hold still Apr 04 20:12:50 put a ball and press it with vhs tape Apr 04 20:12:51 ;) Apr 04 20:13:02 or something Apr 04 20:13:19 when you press with finger the coords give you a tiny sphere centred on your pressure Apr 04 20:13:48 yes, i noticed Apr 04 20:14:21 most unexpected thing in raw mode is the inverted pressure gradient Apr 04 20:14:49 and occasionally missign the final 0 pressure reading Apr 04 20:16:03 i think i need to do some code tonight but im knackered its been a long week Apr 04 20:16:20 :) Apr 04 20:16:25 yeah, sleep well Apr 04 20:16:56 ill prob end up poking around - its not bed time for a while yet tho Apr 04 20:16:57 firefox 3.0b5 Apr 04 20:16:58 nice Apr 04 20:17:44 not tried for now Apr 04 20:17:50 me too Apr 04 20:17:53 just noticed Apr 04 20:59:04 xchat Apr 04 20:59:14 where's the deb for that hiding Apr 04 21:01:14 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ Apr 04 21:01:22 will os2007 files work on os2008 (n810)? Apr 04 21:01:32 maybe Apr 04 21:01:38 but only maybe Apr 04 21:01:41 hrm Apr 04 21:01:53 there is a os2008 version for sure Apr 04 21:01:57 there is a os2008 version somewhere Apr 04 21:02:00 *an Apr 04 21:02:09 hrm Apr 04 21:02:11 * phunguy searches Apr 04 21:02:12 thx Apr 04 21:03:20 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Apr 04 21:03:26 for anyone who's lookin Apr 04 21:04:21 i notice Apr 04 21:04:34 when one installs a deb via ssh it always installs into Extras Apr 04 21:06:21 installation method has nothing to do with the sub-menu program ends up in, if that's what you mean Apr 04 21:06:32 ok Apr 04 21:06:43 is there a way in the gui to move an app to a different category Apr 04 21:06:45 <||cw> phunguy: unless the deb asks to be installed otherwise, that's where it goes Apr 04 21:06:45 and you can move it to other menu Apr 04 21:06:55 yes, it's in the control panel Apr 04 21:07:00 thx kot Apr 04 21:07:20 at the bottom Apr 04 21:07:22 in 'panels' Apr 04 21:07:28 thx Apr 04 21:07:39 just found it as u said that Apr 04 21:07:39 then 'organize' Apr 04 21:07:46 :) Apr 04 21:07:59 lots of dicoveries i guess before you Apr 04 21:08:31 yeah... but also thx for not saying "figure it out" :p lol Apr 04 21:08:39 :) Apr 04 21:09:03 as long person is nice when asking a question why should i be rude Apr 04 21:09:04 :) Apr 04 21:15:50 KotCzarny: do you recall if you had RD mode enabled when setting it up for boot off sd? Apr 04 21:16:05 i have never used rd mode Apr 04 21:16:18 hrm, i wonder if it makes a difference Apr 04 21:16:30 if this try fails i go reflash and disable rd mode on mine heh Apr 04 21:16:38 hum Apr 04 21:16:49 you can disable rd mode without rflashing other parts Apr 04 21:17:37 it's easier for me to isolate problems working from clean start Apr 04 21:17:47 yup Apr 04 21:17:49 since it doesn't take long to reflash Apr 04 21:17:56 yup Apr 04 21:18:21 as i said, we're overlooking something simple Apr 04 21:18:24 :) Apr 04 21:18:50 i hope so lol Apr 04 21:26:39 shit Apr 04 21:26:47 i forgot my psybnc admin passwor Apr 04 21:26:55 anyoen know if you can reset the admin pass via ssh? Apr 04 21:27:01 passwd Apr 04 21:27:11 ah, psybnc pass Apr 04 21:27:23 i haven't used it so long :) Apr 04 21:36:00 heh Apr 04 21:36:08 i just re-ran the make menuconfig Apr 04 21:36:10 set it from there Apr 04 21:36:12 and recompiled Apr 04 21:36:18 worked like a charm Apr 04 21:36:22 erm, kernel? Apr 04 21:36:26 no Apr 04 21:36:30 psybnc make menuconfig Apr 04 21:36:35 ah, indeed Apr 04 21:36:39 omg Apr 04 21:36:41 i love this device Apr 04 21:36:42 lol Apr 04 21:36:46 as i said, it was long time ago ;) Apr 04 21:36:51 there is so much i can see doing with this Apr 04 21:36:59 lol Apr 04 21:37:09 you have no need to hide your ip from big brother anymore Apr 04 21:37:09 lo Apr 04 21:37:10 yup Apr 04 21:37:11 l Apr 04 21:37:30 do i? Apr 04 21:39:08 rofl Apr 04 21:39:12 it doesn't matter in the US Apr 04 21:39:29 patriot act says they can just log in to the server your shell is hosted at Apr 04 21:39:34 provided it resides on US soil Apr 04 21:39:44 hehe Apr 04 21:40:08 what if server hangs in the air? Apr 04 21:40:09 ;) Apr 04 21:40:15 * phunguy watches his n810 screen disintegrate with messages from the NSA Apr 04 21:40:25 have i misunderstood things or is alarm lock on the n800 a no-no because of various bugs like draining battery? Apr 04 21:40:44 *clock Apr 04 21:40:50 n800 os2k7 r os2k8 Apr 04 21:40:55 or either? Apr 04 21:41:15 2k8 preferred Apr 04 21:41:23 atm Apr 04 21:41:31 but originally Apr 04 21:41:36 2k7 Apr 04 21:41:37 it shipped with 2k7 Apr 04 21:41:38 i see Apr 04 21:44:32 http://youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw Apr 04 21:49:43 bbl Apr 04 21:57:00 hi Apr 04 21:58:33 it's possible use n810 webcam with some application? (no camera) Apr 04 21:58:51 ? Apr 04 21:59:04 it's exposed as a regular v4l2 device Apr 04 21:59:18 so any linux cam/tv software should work with it Apr 04 22:00:18 if you simply want to record clips even mencoder will do Apr 04 22:00:46 have you tried to do this? Apr 04 22:00:53 yes Apr 04 22:01:03 i was interested what framerates i can expect Apr 04 22:01:08 out of n800 Apr 04 22:01:31 at full size (640x480) it's ~4fps Apr 04 22:01:32 flash plugin doesn't work with the n810 webcam.. :( Apr 04 22:01:43 because it's flash plugin Apr 04 22:01:57 and flash on n8x0 doesn't do webcam Apr 04 22:03:28 welp, rd enabled doesn't make a difference, still no work Apr 04 22:04:38 hey Apr 04 22:04:45 I'm reading guides on formatting the SD card Apr 04 22:04:48 I will have a 2 GB btw Apr 04 22:04:57 what is the point of the two different partitions? Apr 04 22:05:06 is the fat one for cross-platform storage Apr 04 22:05:09 if you don't know, then make one Apr 04 22:05:10 ;) Apr 04 22:05:12 is gizmo the only way to use a webcam in video conference? Apr 04 22:05:22 and the ext2fs for the OS itself? Apr 04 22:05:26 are you trying to boot of sd card oon n800? Apr 04 22:05:32 not yet Apr 04 22:05:33 it is in the mail Apr 04 22:05:46 I will have an n800 with 1 or 2 2-GB SD cards Apr 04 22:05:55 but yes Apr 04 22:06:08 that's what i'm trying to do now =( Apr 04 22:06:13 I am under the impression that as a moderately linux-savvy user who will want to use alot of apps Apr 04 22:06:16 but it's laughing at me and i want to smash it Apr 04 22:06:19 I want my OS on my SD card Apr 04 22:06:21 well Apr 04 22:06:28 I'm pretty familiar with linux and installing it Apr 04 22:06:32 what is the matter? Apr 04 22:06:43 fails to boot off card Apr 04 22:06:49 bios options for that? Apr 04 22:06:52 no errors that i can see Apr 04 22:06:58 I think you need initfs to make it boot off it Apr 04 22:07:05 yep, installed that Apr 04 22:07:08 jobu: where do you live? Apr 04 22:07:13 kansas >.< Apr 04 22:07:19 ah. too far. Apr 04 22:07:24 lol Apr 04 22:07:29 if it was nyc i would help you :) Apr 04 22:07:31 I'm in pennsylvania Apr 04 22:07:43 heh Apr 04 22:07:44 I'm near scranton, kotczarny Apr 04 22:08:01 is that near stanton? Apr 04 22:08:10 my travel options are limited to nyc only :) Apr 04 22:08:13 stanton? Apr 04 22:08:32 i think that's east of pittsburg Apr 04 22:08:38 oh, no Apr 04 22:08:42 where i70 splits into i70/76 Apr 04 22:08:43 scranton is in northeast PA Apr 04 22:08:49 pittsburgh is southwest Apr 04 22:08:55 ya Apr 04 22:09:17 but tell me this Apr 04 22:09:22 s/tell/riddle/ Apr 04 22:09:31 where should I mount the fat16 partition to? Apr 04 22:09:39 it automounts Apr 04 22:09:46 "/home"? Apr 04 22:09:47 /media/mmc* Apr 04 22:09:52 I mean Apr 04 22:10:00 once I have my OS installed on the IT Apr 04 22:10:03 *on the SD Apr 04 22:10:27 they are both automounted Apr 04 22:10:39 automounted? Apr 04 22:10:45 mounted automatically Apr 04 22:10:51 not automounted (as per automountd) Apr 04 22:10:59 yeah Apr 04 22:11:05 but where will it automount them to? Apr 04 22:11:12 will the ext2 partition become / Apr 04 22:11:16 yes Apr 04 22:11:19 and the fat16 become /home? Apr 04 22:11:19 i have kismet working on the n810.... Mostly. Even mad ,some wayponts that imported,into mapper Apr 04 22:11:25 and fat /media/mmc* Apr 04 22:11:28 ziegler: awesome Apr 04 22:11:29 ok Apr 04 22:11:39 and I should store like all my data under/media/mmc*? Apr 04 22:11:47 or data as in big media files Apr 04 22:11:49 up to you where you put it Apr 04 22:12:03 well Apr 04 22:12:23 I don't have to be concerned with apps not working with media files if they are not under /home/username, do i? Apr 04 22:12:27 Kismet seems to stop collecting points after about 10 min or so. Apr 04 22:12:53 dunno, haven't gotten mine working yet lol Apr 04 22:13:11 You have a 810 Apr 04 22:13:16 800 Apr 04 22:13:24 Ah Apr 04 22:14:04 'lo !!!! Apr 04 22:14:04 I have a deb file if you are intersted Apr 04 22:14:05 running out of ideas of what could be causing the problem, been following http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15788 Apr 04 22:14:24 how do i hibernate the n8*0? Apr 04 22:14:32 Looking Apr 04 22:18:37 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1322&page=11 < Brb.... Apr 04 22:21:01 Also... The configs in that threa are in fairly good shape. Minimal modification needed Apr 04 22:22:11 I had to modify an existing perl script to convert the kismet gps file to wapoint.... Its not done, but mapper shows the point in the right place. Apr 04 22:22:22 Ok... Brb for real now Apr 04 22:39:59 Hello Apr 04 22:42:23 srello. Apr 04 22:47:47 is there a repository for opensync? Apr 04 22:53:17 Lots of people in and out Apr 04 22:53:24 life Apr 04 22:55:01 I suppose Apr 04 22:55:13 Hi Tama^2 Apr 04 22:56:13 Hello navi Apr 04 23:00:12 it's not rigt be at house in friday night ;/ Apr 04 23:01:20 termsig - you're right, take your 810 to a club and sit in irc all night there instead :) Apr 04 23:02:13 jott: ping Apr 04 23:02:18 i cant i`m going to work today.. Apr 04 23:03:01 then you arent sitting around house all night :P Apr 04 23:03:29 yep, 3 more redbulls in fridge.. Apr 04 23:05:10 btw anyone with sucess run any soft writed in java for win* under n810? Apr 04 23:05:34 excluding citrix.. Apr 04 23:05:59 not yet Apr 04 23:09:09 bollocks. Apr 04 23:24:38 termsig: what citrix thing did you get working? Apr 04 23:29:37 still strange firmware still says 3.90 m33 3 Apr 04 23:29:55 guess i can still play homebrew Apr 04 23:30:55 too late to say wrong window Apr 04 23:30:57 lol Apr 04 23:31:10 hacker! Apr 04 23:31:56 no Apr 04 23:32:04 researcher Apr 04 23:32:32 as if it was much of the difference Apr 04 23:32:33 ;) Apr 04 23:34:05 Mousey: i dont say that i get working citrix on my n810.. Apr 04 23:34:18 but i dont like software running under diff soft. Apr 04 23:35:18 ah Apr 04 23:35:34 nm =) Apr 04 23:37:09 i read some article about running citrix under n800/770 but according to author it,s working dead slow... Apr 04 23:38:28 do you know if it is recompiled for armel or is it using dosbox type emulation? Apr 04 23:39:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7598 Apr 04 23:39:22 os2005 Apr 04 23:39:23 lol Apr 04 23:41:39 KotCzarny: great, it's looking like they forgot about updating.. Apr 04 23:42:04 yup, 2000 is like antic in IT Apr 04 23:44:19 u mean 2005? Apr 04 23:44:20 ;P Apr 04 23:44:32 no, the citrix linuxarm client Apr 04 23:44:35 it's from 2000 Apr 04 23:46:13 aa, ok. Apr 04 23:47:10 the mail problem really really sucks Apr 04 23:47:23 shame there isnt a WINE version for running pocket pc software Apr 04 23:47:30 mail program Apr 04 23:47:33 :> Apr 04 23:47:46 hmm Apr 04 23:48:03 that PoS crashes and refuses to let me restart it unless I reboot Apr 04 23:48:03 it would certainly be a lot smaller Apr 04 23:48:17 ds3: use webmail? Apr 04 23:48:23 or mutt Apr 04 23:48:23 ;) Apr 04 23:48:28 downloading huge mail? large syncs? big folders? or just day 2 day Apr 04 23:48:41 just day to day Apr 04 23:48:49 i works fine for a few days then stops working Apr 04 23:49:15 947 spams, 3 signups, 14 forwards, and 1 mail from a real actual person (who just happens to have your work account) Apr 04 23:49:19 wouldn't be too horrible if I can get it to recover without rebooting Apr 04 23:49:46 ds3: maybe some dangling process? Apr 04 23:49:52 or .lock in /var ? Apr 04 23:50:05 have you tried running it from terminal? Apr 04 23:50:16 no, I can't find the name of the process for the mail stuff Apr 04 23:50:28 ps ax before Apr 04 23:50:30 ps ax after Apr 04 23:50:37 use top when its busy :) Apr 04 23:50:38 then just run diff on itt Apr 04 23:50:40 it Apr 04 23:51:10 i could do that or I could experiment with claws.... donno which is going to be more painful Apr 04 23:51:11 whats your usage pattern, do you leave it on running for days or is it just in and out every so often Apr 04 23:51:36 lcuk: I just leave it running for days... the volume of mail on this pop account isn't very high Apr 04 23:52:31 is it when you are unminimising it that it crashes, or do you just notice its vanished Apr 04 23:52:46 I just noticed it stopped polling for mail Apr 04 23:52:59 how do you know it stopped? Apr 04 23:53:07 fwiw, this same account worked fine with the Treo650 built in mail program Apr 04 23:53:09 spam stopped showing up? Apr 04 23:53:10 ;) Apr 04 23:53:31 I know cuz when I check my main account, I see mail that should have been forwarded to me on the POP account not showing up Apr 04 23:53:47 and when I go look at the pop box, I can see it there (I run the mail server/pop server) Apr 04 23:54:05 ok :) what happens if you close it manually before the crash - does it close properly and can be reopened without reboot Apr 04 23:54:42 yes Apr 04 23:55:57 short term solution then until you decide a path then just close it occasionally Apr 04 23:56:07 I am wondering if mediaplayer or the rss reader is triggering a low memory situation that crashes it Apr 04 23:56:08 (*workaround Apr 04 23:56:20 lcuk: it can reopen it til it crashes then it won't work Apr 04 23:56:41 sequence: boot - .... - read mail, close mail .... read mail, close mail, ... stops working Apr 04 23:56:59 so what: you reboot - it works opening and closing as often as you like but then ~3days after reboot it will crash and not reopen Apr 04 23:57:05 lol Apr 04 23:57:18 yep Apr 04 23:57:32 in between I am using the RSS reader, web brower, and media player Apr 04 23:57:42 so I suspect a low mem situation Apr 04 23:57:44 then you do need to find the command line name so you can run and check output Apr 04 23:57:56 hmm Apr 04 23:58:02 /tmp is lkimited to 512kb Apr 04 23:58:05 limited Apr 04 23:58:05 think that is more productive or would trying to enable cores be more productive? Apr 04 23:58:11 check df ? Apr 04 23:58:22 df show it as fine (nothing filling up) Apr 04 23:58:55 try running it from cmd line Apr 05 00:00:51 new canola2 available Apr 05 00:00:55 last.fm Apr 05 00:00:59 :) Apr 05 00:01:56 Cool Apr 05 00:02:04 changelog? Apr 05 00:02:05 :) Apr 05 00:02:24 KotCzarny: the website is just being updated Apr 05 00:02:27 Clean first? Apr 05 00:02:28 k Apr 05 00:02:42 Ziegler: nop Apr 05 00:02:58 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/update.html Apr 05 00:03:01 not updated Apr 05 00:03:01 :) Apr 05 00:03:16 Cool Apr 05 00:04:23 No updates available yet for me Apr 05 00:04:32 Le me run apt Apr 05 00:04:33 just updated here Apr 05 00:04:46 lcuk: u using any data plans in uk? Apr 05 00:05:03 no, wifi only Apr 05 00:06:43 Cool Apr 05 00:06:54 Apt-get update brought it in Apr 05 00:07:09 is there a repository for opensync? Apr 05 00:07:19 Youtube canola also had an update Apr 05 00:07:26 dick: gronmayer.com/it/ Apr 05 00:07:35 it's been down today :( Apr 05 00:07:40 then google Apr 05 00:07:45 or try again Apr 05 00:08:11 yeah, not finding anything on google, just figured I'd ask if there even was a repo...not what it was, just if it existed Apr 05 00:08:21 otherwise I wouldn't even bother looking Apr 05 00:08:40 it has open in the name, grab the sources and build yourself? Apr 05 00:09:52 hmm, interesting, gcc 4.2.1 works Apr 05 00:09:53 :) Apr 05 00:10:06 at least seems working Apr 05 00:13:27 if i shove it on my vmware scratchbox can i roll it back if required Apr 05 00:13:47 if you create new target, then you don't have to roll back Apr 05 00:14:02 you would be able to change targets on the fly Apr 05 00:14:03 :) Apr 05 00:14:19 that is, have one old stable that came with vmware image Apr 05 00:14:31 and new one that you can beat up to death Apr 05 00:14:42 yer i think ill backup vmware before i try though :) Apr 05 00:14:43 (yours or target's) Apr 05 00:14:48 you don't have to Apr 05 00:14:52 :) Apr 05 00:14:55 Canola works Apr 05 00:15:02 just remember to select 'create new target' Apr 05 00:15:03 :) Apr 05 00:15:09 in sb-menu Apr 05 00:15:21 Still does not find me oggs Apr 05 00:15:34 You tube aspect ratio is off Apr 05 00:15:39 ill have to read up on how/where to do everything Apr 05 00:15:51 not really Apr 05 00:15:52 :) Apr 05 00:16:20 Opps... Need to reboot Apr 05 00:16:24 Brb Apr 05 00:16:24 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0.1/INSTALL.txt Apr 05 00:16:43 point 3.2 Apr 05 00:17:45 point 0.0 on anything I do - ensure I don't step backwards i dont like throwing away what I need Apr 05 00:18:02 just keep in mind what i have said Apr 05 00:18:03 :) Apr 05 00:18:17 absolutely your input is appreciated Apr 05 00:18:34 but i wont leap before i can walk Apr 05 00:19:08 whatever works for you :) Apr 05 00:21:46 No change with reboot Apr 05 00:48:00 how do i hibernate in os2008? so far, i can only shutdown Apr 05 00:48:25 is therer a way to suspend to the sd card? Apr 05 00:49:30 erm Apr 05 00:49:32 you don't Apr 05 00:49:33 :) Apr 05 00:49:42 and there's no hibernation Apr 05 00:50:10 and you should only do poweroff if you won't be using IT for more than few days Apr 05 00:50:34 and yes, i think hibernation would be nice Apr 05 00:50:34 ensuring the wireless if offline, and locking the keys, it will go into a very deep sleep for days Apr 05 00:51:11 i repeat after someone: rebooting eats more power than 1 day of full idle Apr 05 00:52:15 as long as its not connected to wifi that is - and there isnt a single slide off/slide back on option for that Apr 05 00:52:50 when i lock my device it should be configurable what remains active: screen keys throttle wifi bluetooth Apr 05 00:53:17 *sound Apr 05 00:53:17 lcuk: one can set wifi idle timeout Apr 05 00:53:29 but that doesnt help if you leave irc running Apr 05 00:53:37 or ssh session etc Apr 05 00:53:40 i think it's user related Apr 05 00:53:47 not programs that use it Apr 05 00:54:09 because it turned of wifi regardless sshfs sessions Apr 05 00:54:12 it is - i can keep connected and locked and it will autodisconnect if i dont send keep alives Apr 05 00:54:38 there is an option in my scp client (like old style ftp) for keepalive pings Apr 05 00:54:53 i would have to test it Apr 05 00:55:06 indeed you would Apr 05 00:55:08 but afair i use tcp keep alive for my ssh sessions Apr 05 00:55:26 and they didn't keep wifi idle from kicking in Apr 05 00:55:45 i mean wifi idle disconnect Apr 05 00:58:07 it would be nice to use the slide and *know* that it was not trying to waste any power at all Apr 05 00:58:14 (or as little as possible) Apr 05 00:58:22 now its a lottery to whether its gonna come back to life Apr 05 00:58:58 hmm Apr 05 00:59:05 i need to waste some time Apr 05 00:59:09 time for ff7 Apr 05 00:59:11 :> Apr 05 00:59:33 ff7? mozilla been busy? Apr 05 00:59:46 that would be fx7 Apr 05 00:59:51 ff is for final fantasy Apr 05 00:59:53 :) Apr 05 01:00:02 ahhh Apr 05 01:00:13 never got into any of them apart from the movies Apr 05 01:00:30 i never seen any movies Apr 05 01:00:36 other than ingame fmvs Apr 05 01:00:36 :) Apr 05 01:00:51 just imagine them a bit bigger ;) Apr 05 01:01:05 nah Apr 05 01:01:14 in movies you don't 'kill' monsters Apr 05 01:01:15 ;) Apr 05 01:01:32 and you don't get that 'stash pockects' feeling ;) Apr 05 01:02:06 what you playin it on? Apr 05 01:03:40 ibm x32 Apr 05 01:03:41 :) Apr 05 01:03:53 but anything over 700mhz should do Apr 05 01:04:53 im gonna pick up a working laptop eventually. i think im gonna stump for the eee touch when it launches Apr 05 01:04:56 did i say that i love xrandr ? Apr 05 01:04:57 ;) Apr 05 01:05:13 yes but that rotated xv is broken Apr 05 01:05:16 xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of LVDS Apr 05 01:05:17 ;) Apr 05 01:05:29 no, i'm talking about multihead right now Apr 05 01:05:51 that's why 12" laptop doesn't bother me Apr 05 01:06:11 need more screen estate? just get a second monitor ;) Apr 05 01:06:37 ive got a pair at work - its better than a single 24" which others have Apr 05 01:06:51 i keep my code and my software apart Apr 05 01:07:10 its like the 810 :) i code in one window and look at another to see results Apr 05 01:07:19 :) Apr 05 01:07:33 why not 12 + 24 ? Apr 05 01:07:34 ;) Apr 05 01:07:41 or 4+24 ;) Apr 05 01:08:08 because a pair of 21s is enough :) Apr 05 01:09:53 * lcuk uses macro zoom to make his home 19" monitor into an IMAX Apr 05 01:09:59 * lcuk wheels closer Apr 05 01:10:23 * KotCzarny lanches epsxe Apr 05 01:10:42 im goin 2 bed Apr 05 01:10:43 nite Apr 05 01:10:46 nite nite Apr 05 01:56:31 anybody saw soemthing bigger then 16GB micro sdhc? Apr 05 01:58:13 I sawed a 5 foot diameter log once Apr 05 01:58:21 that was tough Apr 05 01:58:37 if it was a 5gb micro log it would have been easier to saw Apr 05 01:59:25 micro means micro, so forget, get a n800 Apr 05 01:59:27 :) Apr 05 01:59:44 but if you were asking, "Has anyone seen a micro sdhc card bigger then 16GB" then I'd answer, not me Apr 05 02:00:12 but who know Apr 05 02:00:18 time will tell Apr 05 02:00:24 who is this who and why does he know? Apr 05 02:00:29 can who predict the future? Apr 05 02:00:39 probably Apr 05 02:00:40 is who a he? Apr 05 02:00:46 or just an it Apr 05 02:00:57 who knows Apr 05 02:01:05 now you're just repeating yourself Apr 05 02:01:10 nope Apr 05 02:01:14 this one has 's' Apr 05 02:01:16 :) Apr 05 02:01:36 ... Apr 05 02:01:54 * KotCzarny goes back to ff7 Apr 05 02:12:08 Proteous: dont take a piss.. Apr 05 02:12:50 I don't get it Apr 05 02:15:01 wow, 16GB SDHC cards start at $66 total on newegg Apr 05 02:15:20 there were cards for 56 too Apr 05 02:15:28 but prices go up and down all the time Apr 05 02:15:53 a compact flash for $56.99 + $6 shipping, yeah Apr 05 02:16:07 there are also 32GB CF cards Apr 05 02:16:25 and they are about as expensive as two 16GB cards only Apr 05 02:17:07 there are 32gb sdhc too Apr 05 02:17:09 I still remember when my dad bought his pda and got a free 16MB card Apr 05 02:17:11 cool Apr 05 02:17:22 but regular size Apr 05 02:17:24 not micro Apr 05 02:17:34 yeah Apr 05 02:17:38 * KotCzarny has n800 so it doesn't matter much :) Apr 05 02:17:38 that's to be expected Apr 05 02:17:43 yeah Apr 05 02:17:47 my N800 is in the mail Apr 05 02:18:04 I wish n800s were smaller and had a slide out keyboard Apr 05 02:18:11 yeah Apr 05 02:18:27 well, n810 isn't so much smaller Apr 05 02:18:27 I am hoping the N800 will fit in my pocket frequently enough Apr 05 02:18:32 only design is different Apr 05 02:18:39 that's why it appears much smaller Apr 05 02:18:45 I see Apr 05 02:18:48 yeah Apr 05 02:18:51 it really is a shame Apr 05 02:18:51 paint n800's faceplate black Apr 05 02:18:57 I saw the ITs back in late 2007 Apr 05 02:18:57 and it will appear smaller too Apr 05 02:19:04 but I thought they were like 10" wide instead of 5" Apr 05 02:19:13 just by looking at the picture Apr 05 02:19:18 otherwise I would have bought one Apr 05 02:19:22 :) Apr 05 02:19:43 my N800 will be a nice insult to my friend with an asus Eee Apr 05 02:19:58 hes Eee has a keyboard Apr 05 02:20:08 s/hes/his/ Apr 05 02:20:09 Proteous meant: his Eee has a keyboard Apr 05 02:20:16 he has a nice 10" diagonal wide case, but with a crappy small 800x480 screen Apr 05 02:20:21 can the N800 run J2ME apps? Apr 05 02:20:23 his screen is lackluster for the size Apr 05 02:20:28 kkkeeeeeeeyyyybbbbooooorrrrdddddd Apr 05 02:20:34 the N800's screen is amazing for the size Apr 05 02:20:57 WorkingOnWise: I saw a web site about people working on that Apr 05 02:21:34 ah....so thats a "not yet" huh? lol Apr 05 02:21:41 I'll google it and see Apr 05 02:21:44 thanks Apr 05 02:21:46 yeah Apr 05 02:23:02 I think on here Apr 05 02:23:03 https://garage.maemo.org/ Apr 05 02:24:29 WorkingOnWise: here we go Apr 05 02:24:30 https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Main_Page Apr 05 02:24:55 "We have robust working environments and packages for OpenMoko, Maemo" Apr 05 02:26:18 https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo Apr 05 02:28:44 sterano: Whats the difference between Raid_0 and Raid_1? Apr 05 02:28:46 Steve: In Raid_0 the zero stands for how many files you are going to get back if something goes wrong. Apr 05 02:29:06 and in raid_1 it means 1 file? Apr 05 02:29:08 ;) Apr 05 02:29:14 lol, I was thinking that Apr 05 02:29:30 though even 1 is better than 0 Apr 05 02:29:30 ;) Apr 05 02:37:27 how about this explanation: Apr 05 02:37:28 if (RAID) Apr 05 02:37:28 recoverData(remainingDrive); **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 05 02:59:57 2008