**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 13 02:59:57 2008 Apr 13 03:03:16 i hope nokia picks a more open chip next time. hmm, how open is the one going to be used in that freerunner phone? Apr 13 03:12:41 http://wiki.kolibrios.org/ Apr 13 03:12:42 nice Apr 13 03:12:54 os in fasm Apr 13 03:19:15 looks like there exist no USB-B to micro-usb cables Apr 13 03:20:23 Better off with an F-F adaptor. Apr 13 03:20:35 haven't been able to find one yet :P Apr 13 03:20:44 dealextreme? Apr 13 03:21:58 ebay Apr 13 03:22:19 i think they're illegal or something Apr 13 03:22:28 Ha Apr 13 03:24:27 I'll bet I can find one local to me....I can find anything here Apr 13 03:26:55 some adapters may be illegal in some states, check with your local authorities Apr 13 03:27:12 heh Apr 13 03:27:20 there are no "states" where I live :P Apr 13 03:27:40 theres just 0 and 1 Apr 13 03:28:12 you have an "0"? I have to use the letter "O" Apr 13 03:28:34 :0 Apr 13 03:29:39 heh, i found a FA-FA as part of a set that also included FB-FB and a FA-MB... Apr 13 03:29:42 man I have to figure out how the dbus scripts works Apr 13 03:30:28 the instructions and example is a bit out of my ability to grok Apr 13 03:31:25 like where are %5 and %7 variable coming from? Apr 13 03:41:19 I can not seem to find what is needed to get the 770 in host mode anymore. There used to be a firmware update, but now all I find is dead links. I have the hardware part injecting 5v I just need to switch it to host mode... Apr 13 03:41:29 Female-female is totally illegal Apr 13 03:41:41 wow... Apr 13 03:41:48 just wow... Apr 13 03:42:03 We're talking about USB, foo Apr 13 03:42:03 well a female usb to male usb-micro should be legal, no? Apr 13 03:42:13 Probably Apr 13 03:42:25 I feel sorry for the little guy, though Apr 13 03:43:01 So no ideas on the software side of things for the 770? Apr 13 03:43:16 I've never owned a 770 Apr 13 03:43:29 I almost scored one for 20 bucks a year ago though Apr 13 03:43:37 There used to be tons of information on it...now its all 8x0 specific and the old stuff is just broken links Apr 13 03:45:23 * Navi grabs the weekly modest update Apr 13 03:45:40 halleck, http://www.hcilab.org/projects/nokia770/nokia770.htm Apr 13 03:45:42 W16? Apr 13 03:45:43 Don't Apr 13 03:45:46 Breaks gmail imap. Apr 13 03:45:49 Navi Apr 13 03:45:53 you know, someone should write up a complete 770 documentation dealie Apr 13 03:45:57 I don't use imap Apr 13 03:46:10 I love imap Apr 13 03:46:14 since progress on it has all but stopped Apr 13 03:46:33 the standard flash utility can do it? I thought I needed special firmware, hmm thanks for the link GeneralAntilles Apr 13 03:46:34 I just installed my imap server a few weeks ago, because I got tired of pop3 fuckups with evolution Apr 13 03:48:30 Ah, good to know it's not something I did that broke gmail/imap here Apr 13 03:49:15 GeneralAntilles, I changed my theme and background: http://www.xenf.net/images/screenie.png Apr 13 03:49:40 I'm a bit annoyed that I cant use the space at the top Apr 13 03:49:46 Ha Apr 13 03:50:10 or at least move those icons down Apr 13 03:50:15 on the side Apr 13 03:50:24 has anyone tried the 2008HE for the 770? Nokia says don't use it but they said that about 2007HE and it worked better than 2006 for me. Apr 13 03:50:42 Vote/contribute: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084 Apr 13 03:50:53 halleck, it works fine on my two 770s. Apr 13 03:51:07 They haven't been primary machines for a very long time. Apr 13 03:51:14 So it may or may not work well for you. Apr 13 03:51:20 aw man Apr 13 03:51:20 Swap is key, anyway. Apr 13 03:51:23 cool, good to hear! What doesn't work Apr 13 03:51:24 change that bug report Apr 13 03:51:26 ? Apr 13 03:51:28 I'm looking for mencoder for N800 OS2008. Apr 13 03:51:28 it breaks pop as well Apr 13 03:51:45 what size swap do you recommend? Apr 13 03:51:45 skibur, no offense, but it's not really smart to encode video on that slow arm O_o Apr 13 03:51:51 It can be a little flaky in high-memory situation, halleck. Apr 13 03:51:59 I know Apr 13 03:52:02 just looking for it Apr 13 03:52:04 128MB is a good plan, plus upping the swappiness. Apr 13 03:52:07 skibut: you can use my build Apr 13 03:52:13 cool Apr 13 03:52:21 i have enabled tv interface too Apr 13 03:52:23 upping the swappiness? lol what does that mean. Apr 13 03:52:28 so it can record from camera too Apr 13 03:52:33 so it acts like a camcoder? Apr 13 03:52:43 a little Apr 13 03:52:48 uncompressed? Apr 13 03:52:58 manages 16fps @ 320x240 Apr 13 03:53:06 with ffmpeeg Apr 13 03:53:06 halleck, the device's tendency to use swap. Apr 13 03:53:09 halleck, there's a setting in /proc/sys/vm (I think) that sets how likely the kernel is to use swap rather than canibalize it's cache Apr 13 03:53:16 ^ Apr 13 03:53:24 really, I did not know of that. Thanks Apr 13 03:53:33 You guys are quite helpful :) Apr 13 03:53:34 I will give it a try Apr 13 03:53:43 It can have an impact on memory card life, though. Apr 13 03:53:46 just google for: mrrau mencoder Apr 13 03:53:47 it was new with 2.6. Fun to play around with on desktops too Apr 13 03:53:54 I'm on it Apr 13 03:54:05 should come as 3rd link Apr 13 03:54:30 Not too big of an issue, the way I see it by the time my card dies I should either be using something bigger. Or be using something that does not rely on bloody mmcs Apr 13 03:54:42 exactly :) Apr 13 03:54:46 look in binaries Apr 13 03:54:55 Good thinking, halleck. ;) Apr 13 03:55:09 ok Apr 13 03:55:14 found it Apr 13 03:55:25 also it's not that hard to build it yourself Apr 13 03:55:31 this one? : http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/ Apr 13 03:55:35 yes Apr 13 03:55:38 ok Apr 13 03:55:48 so just copy and run? Apr 13 03:55:55 since its a bin Apr 13 03:55:57 probably unpack and chmod +x Apr 13 03:56:00 as well Apr 13 03:56:01 ok Apr 13 03:56:14 if you want the source just grab mplayer source Apr 13 03:56:21 and compile it with your flags Apr 13 03:56:27 (in sdk) Apr 13 03:56:27 :) Apr 13 03:56:30 ok Apr 13 03:56:31 GeneralAntilles: Is there a way to talk directly to the bluetooth module? Apr 13 03:57:08 also use 'save as' or wget Apr 13 03:57:17 because browser can break the file Apr 13 03:57:42 yeah, it has happen for me as well Apr 13 03:58:08 I am trying to decide whether I want to buy a bluetooth or wifi module for my arduino...I want my 770 to be able to program it as well as feed it input. Apr 13 04:02:22 Is there a nuvo black theme? Apr 13 04:02:48 there's nuvoclear Apr 13 04:02:49 i have it on os2006 Apr 13 04:03:06 Aw Apr 13 04:04:54 Maemo's broken certificate is annoying Apr 13 04:05:53 hmm? Apr 13 04:06:48 hum... KotCzarny, chmod +x mencoder doens't enable execute Apr 13 04:08:07 vfat has noexec Apr 13 04:08:16 it has to be on main fs Apr 13 04:08:49 ok Apr 13 04:09:36 ok Apr 13 04:09:42 its set Apr 13 04:13:41 so what is the driver? Apr 13 04:13:46 ? Apr 13 04:13:54 v412 Apr 13 04:13:57 yes Apr 13 04:14:01 v4l2 Apr 13 04:14:07 l Apr 13 04:17:18 nice Apr 13 04:17:20 it works Apr 13 04:17:28 the screen is flip Apr 13 04:17:35 but cool Apr 13 04:18:46 :S 99.9mb for secs Apr 13 04:19:22 use video compression Apr 13 04:19:44 yeah Apr 13 04:20:19 what about videocamera? Apr 13 04:20:48 what videocamera? Apr 13 04:21:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19010 Apr 13 04:21:40 that's mplayer Apr 13 04:22:15 btw. this post is wrong Apr 13 04:22:24 camera will flip image by itself Apr 13 04:22:28 when turned Apr 13 04:23:49 I think they are talking about mencoder recordering Apr 13 04:24:06 me too Apr 13 04:24:13 because I was recordering just now, but when I flip the cam, it didn't auto flip. Apr 13 04:30:44 from what i recall, there is a setting in gconf that has something to do with camera flip... Apr 13 04:32:57 found it, /system/osso/af/camera-has-turned Apr 13 04:33:35 kinda funny how setting it to true will flip the camera image no matter what :) Apr 13 04:33:52 nice to know Apr 13 04:33:53 :) Apr 13 04:36:07 all kinds of stuff hides there, like the controls for the inscreen keyboard when a real keyboard is attached, or the N810 keyboard is slid out Apr 13 04:36:14 yup Apr 13 04:36:16 i like it Apr 13 04:36:21 i mean knobs Apr 13 04:36:22 ;) Apr 13 04:37:18 i just wonder why the "launch on camera extend" seems to reset on reboot... Apr 13 04:37:35 just saw you post t_s_o Apr 13 04:37:44 your Apr 13 04:37:58 hmm, could be related to the schemas Apr 13 04:38:16 yep, i figured people could find it interesting, or redundant... Apr 13 05:13:22 hi guys Apr 13 05:13:59 how can i turn on my wlan ? infact without searching Apr 13 05:17:36 Italodance: (warning I am a newb) but I would guess in the connection manager. otherwise I think you have to search Apr 13 05:18:18 is the n810 suppose to come with a user manual? Apr 13 05:19:04 there's one in pdf form on the image Apr 13 05:20:16 yeah... this device is just making me freel real stupid Apr 13 05:20:35 plug in a minisdhc card... how do I use it? Apr 13 05:21:04 no indication it was successfully registered or anything Apr 13 05:23:01 zion, if it doesn't show up then something isn't working right Apr 13 05:23:17 is it a microsdhc in an adapter? Apr 13 05:23:31 basically just make sure that it's formatted and seated all the way Apr 13 05:23:34 card says: "miniSDHC class 6" Apr 13 05:23:53 well, n810 is the only card read I have atm Apr 13 05:24:08 so it's a brand new card, then? Apr 13 05:24:21 yep Apr 13 05:24:44 probably not formatted... hrmm Apr 13 05:24:54 probably is formatted... Apr 13 05:25:03 they'd get so many support calls if it wasn't :) Apr 13 05:25:21 Just make sure it's clicked in all the way. I have an N800, but I thought I remembered someone having that problem with an N810 Apr 13 05:26:31 anything I should look for in dmesg? Apr 13 05:26:51 don't see any devices being mounted Apr 13 05:26:58 yeah, it should say something about setting the voltage for the card Apr 13 05:27:26 yep. got that Apr 13 05:27:39 Setting voltage 'VMMC; to 3000 mV Apr 13 05:28:21 ah! it showed up Apr 13 05:28:24 nice Apr 13 05:28:25 woo! Apr 13 05:28:37 must not have pushed it in far enough Apr 13 05:29:17 hi zion welcome here :D Apr 13 05:29:48 ok, now, Italodance what are you trying to do with WLAN? Apr 13 05:30:00 anyone port keychain to maemo? Apr 13 05:30:07 hi johnx how are ya today? :D Apr 13 05:30:21 pretty good. :) Apr 13 05:30:32 johnx i want just to see my wlan as turn on Apr 13 05:30:53 infact without an always searching for connections... Apr 13 05:30:56 just be on Apr 13 05:31:04 Italodance: once you connect to it, it should always just auto connect when it comes in range Apr 13 05:31:17 Once you've connected to an access point, save the access point when it asks you Apr 13 05:32:12 johnx well i want to connect my n800 to laptop but laptop needs to see it as on (and n800 just can searching but couldn't find it) Apr 13 05:32:15 then in settings -> control panel -> Connectivity make sure it says "Connect automatically: WLAN connections" Apr 13 05:33:32 to connect between a laptop and the n800 you need to use an ad-hoc connection Apr 13 05:33:35 laptop can't find it unless the wlan of n800 can be on Apr 13 05:34:02 yes i done all ad-hoc/setting/ip... Apr 13 05:34:24 and you selected ad-hoc on both the laptop *and* the n800 Apr 13 05:34:35 you don't need both of them to be on to set both of them to ad-hoc Apr 13 05:36:04 johnx oh thank u :D Apr 13 05:37:31 hi Apr 13 05:37:35 hello Apr 13 05:41:32 there is no bzip? Apr 13 05:41:40 it's in a repository Apr 13 05:41:53 go to http://gronmayer.com/it Apr 13 05:42:00 search for bzip2, install that repository Apr 13 05:42:09 you'll be doing that a lot, I'm afraid... Apr 13 05:42:15 ok... that looks like a useful url Apr 13 05:42:49 just don't add all the repositories at once Apr 13 05:42:58 heh Apr 13 05:43:15 some contain packages that conflict, some contain packages with mismatched versions, some don't contain packages for the right OS200x version Apr 13 05:44:37 just add repos as you need them, and you should be fine Apr 13 05:44:38 johnx The transparent background can work good on os2008? Apr 13 05:45:00 Italodance, are you referring to home applets? Apr 13 05:45:53 johnx yes i am looking for another app like simple launcher for os2008 Apr 13 05:46:49 johnx tell me what is the name of this app ?http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166696 Apr 13 05:47:15 Idea Apr 13 05:48:08 but it's not out for os2008 Apr 13 05:48:43 johnx ah what a pity are u sure? :( Apr 13 05:49:12 I don't know. Why not search? Apr 13 05:49:31 Idea...ok that's name Apr 13 05:49:36 yes Apr 13 05:50:22 what distro is the n810 running? chinook? Apr 13 05:50:37 yes Apr 13 05:51:21 zion chinook = maemo 4.0 / 4.0.1 Apr 13 05:51:27 ok... think I am missing something Apr 13 05:51:41 do a search for Bzip and nothing shows up Apr 13 05:51:46 hmm Apr 13 05:52:24 and have the Maemo Chinook repo installed, enabled and sync'd Apr 13 05:52:36 ah, there's more than one Apr 13 05:52:48 wait a second? Apr 13 05:52:53 you looked in app manager? Apr 13 05:52:57 yep Apr 13 05:53:01 try apt-get Apr 13 05:53:07 heh Apr 13 05:53:26 app manager only shows things that have "Section: user/*" set in the .deb Apr 13 05:53:53 ah Apr 13 05:54:02 so I need to get root hen Apr 13 05:54:04 then Apr 13 05:54:08 * zion googles for tutoiral Apr 13 05:54:17 grab easyroot from nitapps.com :) Apr 13 05:54:36 or install openssh-server Apr 13 05:54:50 then its root and apt-get install bzip2 in terminal Apr 13 05:56:14 nitapps repo.install doesn't have the right mimetype set Apr 13 05:59:35 you can just save it and open it in file manager or app manager Apr 13 06:19:10 I wished to hell they would fuckin' fix the god damn dhcp client! Apr 13 06:19:21 ? Apr 13 06:19:26 fuckin fuck fuck fuck fuuuck Apr 13 06:19:36 stop fucking saying fuck every fucking word Apr 13 06:19:37 fuck Apr 13 06:20:00 jeez, KotCzarny, stop your fuckin' swearing. I'm fucking sick of it. :P Apr 13 06:20:07 it is fuckin' frustrating as fuckin hell to not be able to use my fuckin' wireless...FUCK! Apr 13 06:20:09 what is this, a verbal recreation of vietnam style carpet bombing by B-52's? ;) Apr 13 06:20:14 fucking say that fucking fuckity fuck nokia and get the fuck out this chan Apr 13 06:20:19 ok, I said it more that time just to fuck with you :P Apr 13 06:20:57 want it fixed, file a bug Apr 13 06:21:03 but don't bug US Apr 13 06:21:07 it has been filed! Apr 13 06:21:12 then just wait Apr 13 06:21:18 err, remind me about whats wrong with it? Apr 13 06:21:18 without swearing Apr 13 06:21:21 I just connected, disconnected, and now I get an error Apr 13 06:21:32 I unplug the router, plug it back in, and now I can connect Apr 13 06:21:44 there seems to be 2 different problems with the dhcp client Apr 13 06:21:45 t_s_o, it doesn't handle DHCP NAKs correctly, IIRC Apr 13 06:21:47 tso: nobody knows, probably some dangling leases, but who knows Apr 13 06:22:00 WormFood, that sounds like the DHCP NAK problem... Apr 13 06:22:09 I think it's just that one problem, really Apr 13 06:22:10 yeah, that is what I think this one is Apr 13 06:22:20 but there seems to be another problem too Apr 13 06:22:35 maybe it is because the n800 can hear APs it can't actually reach Apr 13 06:22:44 BOTH problems are frustrating as hell Apr 13 06:22:53 and I have them both Apr 13 06:22:54 stop swearing Apr 13 06:23:15 what did I say this time? Apr 13 06:23:22 KotCzarny, you don't need to be the channel police... Apr 13 06:23:38 so the N800 behaves like that customer thats right even when proven wrong? Apr 13 06:23:39 johnx, police? Apr 13 06:23:45 it's the netiquette Apr 13 06:23:55 police would be if i had the op Apr 13 06:23:57 :) Apr 13 06:24:00 right, and you don't need to "enforce" it :) Apr 13 06:24:29 yeah, I haven't said "Fuck" in a while Apr 13 06:24:38 I was just asking what I said Apr 13 06:24:54 wormfood: every word that is emotionally loaded Apr 13 06:25:01 it's computers Apr 13 06:25:05 you can break it Apr 13 06:25:09 but it won't help Apr 13 06:25:13 if you shout at it Apr 13 06:25:34 * WormFood chuckles at KotCzarny Apr 13 06:25:43 you're so funny Apr 13 06:25:45 * KotCzarny yawns and goes back to lurk mode Apr 13 06:25:51 :P Apr 13 06:26:22 t_s_o, basically, what happens is: you get a lease for 192.168.1.x , you switch to another AP that uses a 10.0.0.0 class B, your N800 asks for its 192.168.1.x lease back, the DHCP server sends a NAK, and the N800 gives up, when instead it should ask for a new lease Apr 13 06:26:37 (IIRC) Apr 13 06:26:38 not in my case johnx Apr 13 06:26:54 that's just one example... Apr 13 06:27:03 it could happen with another 192.168.x.x network Apr 13 06:27:04 I connected to the AP, disconnected, and when I try to connect again I get an error....I unplug the AP, and now I can connect Apr 13 06:27:16 hmm, i cant say i have seen that happen... Apr 13 06:27:32 I mean....I unplug the ap, AND THEN PLUG IT BACK IN...hehehe...of course Apr 13 06:29:12 It's hard to debug without being there. I bet a NAK is involved though Apr 13 06:29:28 It's also possible your AP is not all that clever Apr 13 06:29:45 my AP is a piece of cisco/linksys shit! Apr 13 06:29:55 I'm sure a NAK is involved Apr 13 06:30:31 because when I power cycle it, it works again Apr 13 06:30:43 I don't have problems with any other piece of equipment with it Apr 13 06:31:28 I'm trying to get my WEP cracking to work...so I'm testing it with my N800 Apr 13 06:31:32 WormFood, is it a linksys that can run openwrt? Apr 13 06:31:38 yes Apr 13 06:31:48 but if I do that, then I can't revert it back to factory Apr 13 06:31:54 why not? Apr 13 06:31:56 it seems nobody has extracted this version of firmware Apr 13 06:32:00 aaah Apr 13 06:32:05 and this version of firmware is not on their web site Apr 13 06:32:16 this is a WTR54G Apr 13 06:32:22 is there a reason you want that specific firmware? Apr 13 06:32:26 NOT a WRT54G Apr 13 06:32:34 ah, right Apr 13 06:32:42 I remember now Apr 13 06:32:49 because I think this firmware has features not in the openwrt Apr 13 06:33:04 really? that's pretty interesting Apr 13 06:33:15 I think...I could be wrong Apr 13 06:33:17 like not working with your N800? :P Apr 13 06:33:24 mine is totally missing that feature :) Apr 13 06:33:38 it works....as long as I don't need it to work....as soon as it need it to work it quits working Apr 13 06:33:49 I swear this thing has a "critical use" detector on it Apr 13 06:34:05 This is a "travel router" Apr 13 06:34:17 anyways, what is the feature you think openwrt doesn't have Apr 13 06:34:19 it will allow me to connect to an open wireless access point, and rebroadcast it Apr 13 06:34:21 I may actually know Apr 13 06:34:38 it will also allow me to give a wired computer wireless access Apr 13 06:35:08 is that WDS? or something else? Apr 13 06:35:22 so I put the WAP in the window, and run a coax to the desktop, and now the desktop has internet :D Apr 13 06:35:30 don't know about "WDS" Apr 13 06:35:45 that is an interesting feature Apr 13 06:35:57 it is very nice feature Apr 13 06:35:59 I have used it before Apr 13 06:36:03 I must admit that I didn't know something like that was possible Apr 13 06:36:17 it is all in software Apr 13 06:36:26 instead of using it as a wap, use it as a client Apr 13 06:36:39 I don't think openwrt has anything like that Apr 13 06:36:44 well, the openwrt firmware can act as a client, definitely Apr 13 06:36:50 check out the WTR54G Apr 13 06:36:59 but rebroadcasting is something I'm not sure about Apr 13 06:37:02 it has 2 ethernet ports on it Apr 13 06:37:22 then openwrt should be able to give a desktop wireless access through normal ethernet Apr 13 06:37:45 but I actually use that wireless to wireless feature Apr 13 06:38:01 I put the AP in the window, and now I can use my laptop or n800 anywhere around the house Apr 13 06:38:20 the one feature it is lacking is the ability to connect to an encrypted wap, even if I have the key :( Apr 13 06:38:50 hmm...it looks like openwrt isn't even supported for it yet Apr 13 06:39:27 I'll be the n800, with the right software, would be able to give my laptop an internet connection through the usb port, and have the n800 act as a wireless client Apr 13 06:39:41 I have read that there is a version of something for it Apr 13 06:39:50 ddwrt or openwrt Apr 13 06:39:54 i forget Apr 13 06:40:49 ddwrt works apparently Apr 13 06:40:57 ok, that is the one then Apr 13 06:41:01 though v2.x has only 8MB of RAM, which is kinda painful Apr 13 06:41:07 that is what I'm running on my wrt54g at home Apr 13 06:41:13 yeah, and of course, that is what I have Apr 13 06:41:21 ah, weak sauce Apr 13 06:42:45 johnx: thnx for the help. Apr 13 06:42:58 oh....while I'm thinking about it....maybe someone has a fix for this problem.... Apr 13 06:42:59 zion, johnx is a great help Apr 13 06:43:00 sure Apr 13 06:43:13 now I have to figure out what project to take up ... Apr 13 06:43:27 I modified that one file, I forget the name, in /etc...to give me a reboot option on my menu when I hit the power button Apr 13 06:43:30 prob should get use to scratchbox first Apr 13 06:43:57 now when I hit the power button, about 90% of the time nothing happens Apr 13 06:44:41 I enabled all the other options as well, like soft power off, and that shit....anyone know what I need to do to get the power button to work properly again? I figured it is one entry there that is screwing it up Apr 13 06:45:29 WormFood, that's interesting...the same thing happened to me yesterday Apr 13 06:45:36 but I didn't change anything in that file Apr 13 06:45:39 it is very frustrating Apr 13 06:45:43 probably unrelated Apr 13 06:45:47 it is doing it ALL the time Apr 13 06:45:56 doing it = not working Apr 13 06:45:57 if you remember the filename I can send you a fresh copy Apr 13 06:46:08 I can just re-edit it Apr 13 06:46:13 maybe mce.ini or system-ui or something? Apr 13 06:46:22 system-it perhaps Apr 13 06:46:36 it was the only file in the directory, I remember that much Apr 13 06:47:12 it is not real important, just frustrating Apr 13 06:47:50 is there something I can do to make the menu normal sizes, like what is in os2007? Apr 13 06:48:12 Crack open the source code. :) Apr 13 06:48:28 thanks obi wan Apr 13 06:48:41 meh, at least the code is open Apr 13 06:48:47 you should look at personal menu though Apr 13 06:49:01 smaller entries and it can replace the useless (IMHO) communications menu Apr 13 06:49:02 yeah Apr 13 06:49:28 oooor...you could get the OS2007 one working in OS2008 Apr 13 06:49:29 what good is a screen of this resolution, if you make all the graphics double size Apr 13 06:49:43 yeah, I kinda hate that menu Apr 13 06:49:59 you can delete the communications menu easily enough Apr 13 06:50:11 I just want to make them "normal" sized, like in os2007 Apr 13 06:50:21 I presume it is oversized so you can use your finger Apr 13 06:50:27 that's the idea Apr 13 06:50:32 I mean, seriously, how many people actually use their finger on the n800? Apr 13 06:50:38 I do Apr 13 06:50:38 I use my finger nail at best Apr 13 06:50:45 no stylus here at all Apr 13 06:51:04 and I can't be arsed to use a pen cap or whatever Apr 13 06:51:13 thumbs work well for 90% of my day-to-day use Apr 13 06:51:19 really? Apr 13 06:51:22 yeah Apr 13 06:51:26 I never use my finger Apr 13 06:51:33 many times I use my finger nail tho Apr 13 06:51:41 i often use pointer fingernail Apr 13 06:51:46 I was thinking of cutting it to a point, to make a better stylus ;) Apr 13 06:51:52 heh Apr 13 06:51:54 I barely ever use the stylus. Apr 13 06:52:07 WormFood, if it's really such an issue, use Personal Menu. Apr 13 06:52:08 that's going a little overboard I think (cutting your nails for tablet use...) Apr 13 06:52:30 I was joking about that one johnx ;) Apr 13 06:52:35 anyways, I just discovered the double-size scrollbar theme so I'm pretty thrilled Apr 13 06:52:47 I think people have done it though O_o Apr 13 06:52:53 what do you mean, personal menu? Apr 13 06:53:01 ah, "Personal menu" Apr 13 06:53:04 google it on itt Apr 13 06:53:11 it's a replacement app launcher menu Apr 13 06:53:20 smaller entries Apr 13 06:53:28 really? never heard of it before now Apr 13 06:53:51 Now you know! And knowledge is power! Apr 13 06:54:43 and power will help me take over the world....muhahahahahaha哈哈哈哈哈哈 Apr 13 06:55:57 ok, is that the kanji you meant to type? Apr 13 06:56:15 google translate tells me: Kazakhstan Apr 13 06:56:23 hello everybody Apr 13 06:56:36 it isn't kanji Apr 13 06:56:42 and yes, it is what I meant to type Apr 13 06:56:54 try to convert it from chinese to english Apr 13 06:57:45 WormFood, ah, ok. One of them on its own translates to Kazakhstan though Apr 13 06:57:53 try it :) Apr 13 06:58:15 I am trying it now Apr 13 06:58:18 I'm curious Apr 13 06:58:26 hahaha Apr 13 06:58:32 yeah, seriously Apr 13 06:58:35 google translates it to "you you you" Apr 13 06:58:46 right. if you put in two at once Apr 13 06:58:50 but put in just one Apr 13 06:59:15 try 3 Apr 13 06:59:22 ah, ok Apr 13 06:59:23 translate 哈哈哈 Apr 13 06:59:26 that is right Apr 13 06:59:35 heh Apr 13 06:59:43 ah the wonder of robo-translators Apr 13 06:59:48 indeed Apr 13 06:59:58 where from can i install libsqlite3 to my n800? Apr 13 07:00:41 go to http://gronmayer.com/it and search for it. Apr 13 07:01:19 johnx thanks! Apr 13 07:01:30 sure :) Apr 13 07:02:06 standard speech: don't install everything you see at gronmayer.com/it . No one vets that stuff, and some of it can conflict. be smart, be safe. :) Apr 13 07:03:00 johnx ok :) Apr 13 07:03:20 google translates "田" to "tin", but it is really "field" Apr 13 07:03:20 I know, that is one of my friend's family name Apr 13 07:03:29 and "天" to "days", but really it can mean days, or sky, or heaven, depending on the context Apr 13 07:03:55 it does translate "天天" properly ("every day") Apr 13 07:04:04 terrifyingly I actually know some of these. :) Apr 13 07:04:19 this is all basic, simple stuff Apr 13 07:04:32 still :) Apr 13 07:05:00 last time I tried it, it translated 美 to "usa", but that is only sometimes used as "usa", which is "美国" Apr 13 07:05:11 bye bye Apr 13 07:05:19 'later sol289 Apr 13 07:05:49 I should try to sell my N800....maybe I can get more money out of it than what I paid for it ;) Apr 13 07:06:20 well, you certainly have scarcity on your side :D Apr 13 07:06:46 uh, how exactly can 天 translate into "days"? Apr 13 07:06:52 any of you guys know pyGTK ? Apr 13 07:07:01 yeah, that is a fact....someone else I met here said nokia tried to send them a N810, but customs rejected it, twice Apr 13 07:07:33 wnd, it is sometimes used as "days"....like "7 days inn" starts as "7天", for example Apr 13 07:07:43 I know, I just walked by a 7 days inn today Apr 13 07:08:00 but why is the word for "wine" part of the chinese word for "inn"? Apr 13 07:08:13 I don't claim to know chinese but it sounds kind of unexpected Apr 13 07:08:28 I'll have to ask my chinese friend to explain when he's around :-) Apr 13 07:08:46 酒 is the word for wine, but also part of the word for "inn" (I don't know how to type that one yet) Apr 13 07:09:02 good luck...chinese is some weird shit sometimes Apr 13 07:09:27 do you know what 中 and 心 means? Apr 13 07:09:42 man, all languages are weird. Any sufficiently old system gets that way. Trying to explain to people why English acts the way it does is tough... Apr 13 07:09:55 中 = middle, and 心 = heart Apr 13 07:09:59 sure Apr 13 07:10:07 bah, was just about to reply :P Apr 13 07:10:17 but 中心 means "center" Apr 13 07:10:25 makes sense Apr 13 07:10:41 at the heart of the middle :) Apr 13 07:10:42 which makes a little bit of sense, because the heart of something means the core of it Apr 13 07:10:59 but 中 can also mean center Apr 13 07:11:25 but like "shopping center" is 中心 Apr 13 07:11:43 heh Apr 13 07:11:57 now what I want to know, is how did the character for "rice" also become the character for "meter"? Apr 13 07:12:07 I don't remember how to type that one either Apr 13 07:12:24 me again Apr 13 07:12:27 like I said I don't know chinese (or chinese characters or their use), but I do know some japanese, and therefore a few things about kanjis. Apr 13 07:12:41 well, then you know some chinese Apr 13 07:12:50 because japan stole their writing system from china Apr 13 07:13:01 I know. but I also know that it's not smart to generalise that knowledge Apr 13 07:13:10 indeed Apr 13 07:13:33 japan has different writing systems, but the older one is still very chinese Apr 13 07:13:53 I know that 女 and 男 are still the same in japanese and chinese Apr 13 07:14:07 so is middle :) Apr 13 07:14:31 and 东京 is "tokyo" ;) Apr 13 07:14:42 which literally translates to "east capital" Apr 13 07:14:55 i can't see all repository software when i add it to my n800 (i see it on gronmayer) Apr 13 07:15:09 北京 is "beijing" and literally means "north capital" Apr 13 07:15:22 for example: sqlite (v. 2.8.17-4) Apr 13 07:15:46 it won't show up in app manger unless it's in section: user/* Apr 13 07:15:47 partly. japanese no longer use 之 to indicate ownership, they use hiragana の instead. then again japanese write horse as 馬 while it's 马 in simplified chinese. Apr 13 07:15:57 it is on gronmayer and it's not in list of applications for install Apr 13 07:16:08 you are right wnd Apr 13 07:16:13 use apt-get Apr 13 07:16:28 but simplified chinese is only used in PRC, not ROC or HK or overseas chinese Apr 13 07:16:54 but if you go to imperial palace, tokyo (or some temples in kyoto), you'll see them using 之 in certain places. Apr 13 07:16:56 I brought a chinese menu from usa with me (to china), and my friends pointed out the fact it uses traditional chinese characters on it Apr 13 07:17:19 like "apt-get sqlite"? i don't know much about linux, i'm more on freebsd :) Apr 13 07:17:22 I haven't learned the 之 character yet Apr 13 07:17:30 here is Q for you N800/810 guys, there is a video from a nokia press event where they haul a table up 180ft and use the wimax (silly) the 'reporter' says the browser often locks up for a moment and then all of a sudden responds to all the blocked gui inputs, is this a wimax thing or is this representitive of how the opera browser in ITOS is ???? Apr 13 07:17:51 what is cool is to see very old chinese that is still readable Apr 13 07:18:03 it is amazing how some characters have not changed form in thousands of years Apr 13 07:18:27 and other characters changed so radically you can't even recognize them as the same characters Apr 13 07:18:34 este_, opera isn't available on in OS2008, and yes, I could see how it would be possible for microb to be having that problem Apr 13 07:18:38 how do you pronounce 之 in chinese? "e" as in "metro"? Apr 13 07:18:59 I don't know, I can speak very little chinese...I can read a LOT more than I can speak Apr 13 07:19:13 Chinese is VERY hard for me to speak or listen to Apr 13 07:19:32 I can say "I don't know" and "I don't understand" in chinese tho ;) Apr 13 07:19:40 yeah, the tonal part sounds hard O_o Apr 13 07:19:48 it is hard Apr 13 07:20:01 I think my chinese knowledge is limited to "yes", "no", "thank you" and "sorry" Apr 13 07:20:20 oh yeah! apt-get sqlite did the trick! Apr 13 07:20:23 there is no word for "no" Apr 13 07:20:27 thanks again :) Apr 13 07:20:35 sure :) Apr 13 07:20:36 at best, it is "not" 不 Apr 13 07:20:59 well, whatever it was what he told me Apr 13 07:21:05 johnx: oh, I thought it was opera, but the browser gets blocked easily huh ? hmmmmmmmm Apr 13 07:21:09 I wouldn't know Apr 13 07:21:14 if someone asks if you can speak chinese, you can't say "no", but you can say "not speak" Apr 13 07:21:27 if you don't have something, you can say "not have" Apr 13 07:21:43 there is a "yes" of course Apr 13 07:21:47 este_, it can be flakey at times. The next version will be a lot better. Firefox has gotten a lot faster on ARM lately Apr 13 07:21:58 what is weird, is in china they actually say "sorry" (english) Apr 13 07:21:58 Lot faster period. Apr 13 07:22:11 The reporter was probably complaining about it rendering. Apr 13 07:22:13 johnx: is there a maemo port for ff coming / progressing ? Apr 13 07:22:19 It can get unresponsive during loading and rendering. Apr 13 07:22:25 MicroB is Gecko. Apr 13 07:22:25 I have few problems web browsing, other than the small screen Apr 13 07:22:32 Minefield is available Apr 13 07:22:35 este_, microb *is* pretty much firefox for all intents and puprposes Apr 13 07:22:37 But really not worth the time at this point. Apr 13 07:22:50 ah, I get, Apr 13 07:23:16 next question: i want to install sqlite3, and it give me this: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed Apr 13 07:23:24 he said it was like his generic tivo, where he did something, then it locked up then he did something else, then something else, then all of a sudden it did all the things really fast Apr 13 07:23:35 its on the handful of nothing blog Apr 13 07:23:58 can i tell apt-get that 3.4.1 is fine? :) Apr 13 07:24:48 sol289, How come you don't want to upgrade? Apr 13 07:25:52 este_, that sounds about right for scrolling while a page renders Apr 13 07:26:02 eh, its getting late. I need to get back to my pyGTK tutorial (absolutely terrible - should be banned from the internet!).. Thanks for the info on microb Apr 13 07:26:35 qwerty12 upgrade 3.4.1 to 3.4.2 you think? Apr 13 07:26:45 the situation really is getting better though. In a couple months we'll have a couple really great browsers available Apr 13 07:26:50 sol289, Yeah :) Apr 13 07:26:58 gecko 1.9 ? Apr 13 07:27:05 sol289, Doesn't sound bad :/ Apr 13 07:27:09 umm... apt-get upgrade libsqlite3 ? Apr 13 07:27:18 Yes, este_. Apr 13 07:27:23 ah cool Apr 13 07:27:27 Currently a very old snapshot as shipped with Chinook. Apr 13 07:27:28 I'm going to take off...I'll see you guys later....have a good day/night/whatever Apr 13 07:27:33 este_, midori, microb (w/ newer gecko), normal firefox, firefox mobile Apr 13 07:27:36 So Diablo will be a VERY significant upgrade in browser performance. Apr 13 07:27:44 'later WormFood Apr 13 07:27:52 sol289, It sounds like apt-get was going to do it anyway. It says "these packages will be updated..." Apr 13 07:28:19 no it doesnt Apr 13 07:28:39 The following packages have unmet dependencies: sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed Apr 13 07:29:00 Hmm, not sure on that one. Brb Apr 13 07:30:17 qwerty12 ok, from the beginning: i want to look inside of ~/.meta_storage, and some body in this channel told me that this file is a sqlite db Apr 13 07:31:05 `sqlite .meta_storage` tell me that this is not an sqlite db or it is broken Apr 13 07:31:06 > is greater than right? Apr 13 07:31:17 so now i want to try it with sqlite3 Apr 13 07:31:40 qwerty12 yes, i think so, arithmetics... :) Apr 13 07:31:56 *according to arithmetics :) Apr 13 07:32:00 I've never been good at maths :P :) Apr 13 07:32:58 sol289, is there more than one sqlite3 available from another source, perhaps? Apr 13 07:33:02 i think that this sqlite3 dependency is not really important Apr 13 07:33:38 johnx how can i know this? how can i list repository contents? Apr 13 07:33:58 www.gronmayer.com/it has a search Apr 13 07:34:07 It's where I am now, looking for the lib :P :) Apr 13 07:34:22 sol289, apt-cache poilicy sqlite3 Apr 13 07:34:34 but that only deals with repos you already "installed" Apr 13 07:34:44 johnx, Ah, thanks, I didn't know that Apr 13 07:34:59 apt-cache search is nice too Apr 13 07:36:33 johnx and how can i list already installed packages? Apr 13 07:36:54 dpkg -l Apr 13 07:37:14 apt-cache policy package will show you what version is installed Apr 13 07:37:51 ok, i have libsqlite 3.4.1-1osso3 installed Apr 13 07:38:25 i'm little worry - if i deinstall 3.4.1-1osso3, and then install 3.4.2 - will all work then? :) Apr 13 07:38:37 it would seem that way Apr 13 07:38:54 those unices are such surprising sometimes :) Apr 13 07:39:31 that's why I didn't confirm or deny it, just said maybe :) Apr 13 07:40:17 johnx can i backup old version of package somehow? Apr 13 07:40:42 sorry for such lame questions :-\ Apr 13 07:40:47 not terribly easily Apr 13 07:40:59 dpkg-repack would do it, but it has lots and lots of dependencies Apr 13 07:41:12 ah,libsqlite3 came with the tablet, didn't it Apr 13 07:41:22 yes, it is Apr 13 07:41:27 I could see why you'd be worried about replacing it... Apr 13 07:41:34 so would I :) Apr 13 07:42:42 so if i could just make sqlite3 think that 3.4.1 is enough - it would be much better than replace those Library That Comes With The Tablet :) Apr 13 07:43:08 yes, you can unpack the package with ar -x, then unpack control.tar.gz Apr 13 07:43:15 edit control to have the right depend and repack Apr 13 07:43:33 it's a bit round-a-bout, but I've done similar things before Apr 13 07:43:52 johnx oh, ok, i'll try Apr 13 07:44:16 but... ar -x ? Apr 13 07:44:25 -sh: ar: not found Apr 13 07:44:30 Just a quick question, in flash player settings, when you have a camera selected and you tap the big blue webcam button, are you supposed to see what coming from your camera in that box? Apr 13 07:45:00 must not come with the tablet Apr 13 07:45:05 but yes, ar is the right command... Apr 13 07:45:36 crap... Apr 13 07:46:26 http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ar.gz Apr 13 07:46:40 I figure a gz will be better as your apt may be messing up atm Apr 13 07:47:00 qwerty12 thanks Apr 13 07:47:43 np, just use gunzip on it Apr 13 07:48:19 i used gzip -d Apr 13 07:48:29 ok, it works Apr 13 07:48:47 but now i have to figure how to download sqlite3 package... Apr 13 07:49:04 apt-get --download sqlite3 Apr 13 07:49:17 hmm...might still complain about permissions though Apr 13 07:49:26 s/permissions/dependencies/g Apr 13 07:49:26 johnx meant: hmm...might still complain about dependencies though Apr 13 07:49:31 qwerty12, Flash doesn't support the webcam. Apr 13 07:49:46 v4l vs v4l2 Apr 13 07:49:48 yep, it still says about dependencies Apr 13 07:49:59 you can force those Apr 13 07:50:09 GeneralAntilles, I've got omap24xxwebcam to show up via the v4l1 compatible layer but I don't get no video. Ah well. Apr 13 07:50:41 johnx you mean -f? Apr 13 07:51:31 --force-yes Apr 13 07:51:49 apt-get --download --force-yes sqlite3 Apr 13 07:52:18 --force-cookie-in-mouth Apr 13 07:52:27 it says : E: Invalid operation sqlite3 Apr 13 07:52:37 apt-get install cookie Apr 13 07:52:43 should it be with 'install' command? Apr 13 07:53:05 oops, yeah Apr 13 07:53:48 nope, still complains about deps Apr 13 07:54:01 apt-get install cookie INTO MY BELLY!! Apr 13 07:54:12 apt-get moo :P Apr 13 07:54:34 install cookie fail; depends on mod_chocolatechip Apr 13 07:55:06 apt-cache search chocolate Apr 13 07:57:09 ok, how can i download package? Apr 13 07:58:04 3 Apr 13 07:58:06 sqlite3 Apr 13 07:58:13 from repository Apr 13 07:58:16 how? Apr 13 07:58:28 just use a web browser Apr 13 07:58:37 *gasp* Apr 13 07:58:41 it will be under pool probably Apr 13 07:58:43 * Proteous faints Apr 13 07:58:52 and point to?... Apr 13 07:58:57 the repo address Apr 13 07:59:18 look it up in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* Apr 13 08:00:51 ok, i open http://debfarm.free.fr (where sqlite3 should be) and see nothing Apr 13 08:01:04 they says "coming soon" Apr 13 08:01:10 http://debfarm.free.fr/pool/ Apr 13 08:01:55 thanks again :) Apr 13 08:02:12 :) Apr 13 08:08:37 Anybody tried to test the emulation of N800 / OS2008 with the utilities of Poky Linux? Apr 13 08:17:03 is there an app for gmail? Apr 13 08:17:27 a gmail checker statusbar icon? or a mail client that can access gmail? Apr 13 08:17:38 mail clinet Apr 13 08:17:44 You can use built in client or modest with POP and mnotify is a notifier at the top. Apr 13 08:18:00 yeah, modest (beta) generally works, but right now there is a bug that makes it not work Apr 13 08:18:05 should be fixed next week Apr 13 08:18:11 i just tried it Apr 13 08:18:13 no luck Apr 13 08:18:13 or maybe you could download the week 15 release Apr 13 08:18:21 imap Apr 13 08:18:22 Ah, I don't use modest, or any email client come think of it. Apr 13 08:18:24 with modest Apr 13 08:18:26 johnx qwerty12 KotCzarny thank you all guys, i've installed sqlite3 package and it works fine! Apr 13 08:18:47 sol289, great! Apr 13 08:18:55 sol289, Nice :) Apr 13 08:19:05 zerodegre, you're using the week 16 release? or week 15? Apr 13 08:19:12 dont know Apr 13 08:19:16 i downloaded it tonight Apr 13 08:19:25 what do i want? Apr 13 08:19:39 just wait until next week for the fix Apr 13 08:19:41 when i set up the server, its like it never even found the gmail servers Apr 13 08:19:43 ok Apr 13 08:19:44 or try an old version Apr 13 08:23:47 bye bye Apr 13 08:31:20 Hey everyone! Apr 13 08:31:28 Good morning from Texas! Apr 13 08:31:44 mornin' Apr 13 08:31:47 Morning from London :) Apr 13 08:32:01 I just ordered my nokia n800 Apr 13 08:32:12 And I am super excited to get it and break it. Cause I know I will. Apr 13 08:32:20 Never used anything Linux based before. Apr 13 08:33:06 you shouldn't worry Apr 13 08:33:09 about the worst you can do from a program side is need to reflash it - its very diffucult to break it by being a n00b Apr 13 08:33:12 it's quite hard to break Apr 13 08:33:16 hi lcuk Apr 13 08:33:17 :) Apr 13 08:33:18 morning kot Apr 13 08:33:21 erm Apr 13 08:33:31 dog hour Apr 13 08:33:32 ;) Apr 13 08:33:50 ? i slept - its morning(ish) now Apr 13 08:34:11 it's ~4am Apr 13 08:34:17 the worst hour (for some) Apr 13 08:34:18 3:34 here. Apr 13 08:34:20 lol :D Apr 13 08:34:23 It's 9:34 here Apr 13 08:34:32 i hit 4 am a few times last week Apr 13 08:34:37 My eyes hurt. Yay. Apr 13 08:34:45 mine not Apr 13 08:34:47 but last night i went to sleep thinking about angle sums Apr 13 08:34:57 yay! That's the Linux. :) Apr 13 08:35:00 ehehe Apr 13 08:35:03 Good way to ensure you get to sleep ;) Apr 13 08:35:25 not really it kept me awake Apr 13 08:35:25 yeah, having a sleep with algos is cool Apr 13 08:36:01 Lol, thinking about that would get me to sleep. I really hate maths :P Apr 13 08:36:08 at least i know what to do now Apr 13 08:36:14 i like maths Apr 13 08:36:21 at least it's dependable Apr 13 08:36:25 and logical Apr 13 08:36:26 :) Apr 13 08:36:48 and does exactly what you ask for even though its not what you need. Apr 13 08:37:03 very much like Unix :) Apr 13 08:37:05 assuming you know all the variables Apr 13 08:37:19 otherwise randomness creep in Apr 13 08:37:20 :) Apr 13 08:37:33 Meh, the best part of maths is finding the best *cough* rude *cough words to type in on a scientific calculator Apr 13 08:37:34 :p Apr 13 08:37:44 that's fun too Apr 13 08:37:45 :) Apr 13 08:37:58 but limited Apr 13 08:38:31 Hehe, me and my friend just get out our phones and play games against each other, teacher doesn't even realise Apr 13 08:38:49 i need brew and then got shitty nappy to change. *fun* i'm so looking foreward to that * o.O * Apr 13 08:39:03 Does anyone know if regular roms will work with the xmaime app? Apr 13 08:39:43 "regular"? Apr 13 08:40:03 Roms downloaded from the web, given that I have the original cartidge. Apr 13 08:40:04 johnx: yeah, those chips that you rip from machines Apr 13 08:40:05 ;) Apr 13 08:40:11 UserID10T, just push the rom chip into the back of your 800 (wedge it in) and then force the battery on top Apr 13 08:40:18 your nokia will boot up perfectly everytime Apr 13 08:40:20 Cute. Apr 13 08:40:46 UserID10T, well, I imagine it would depend on the game, but I don't think you'll have to do anything special Apr 13 08:40:49 some rattling to be expected though Apr 13 08:40:51 it will either work or it won't Apr 13 08:40:54 not sure though, would expect they would work since its a mame port Apr 13 08:41:06 Fair enough, good answer johnx. Apr 13 08:41:11 anyway, pupnik is the emu man here Apr 13 08:41:14 so ask him Apr 13 08:41:30 or go and ask him in person at LinuxTag next month Apr 13 08:46:18 Does mbcache need to be loaded before the softcursor bitblit font fbcon modules? Apr 13 08:46:18 back later :) Apr 13 08:47:05 * lcuk *blit* *font* ding Apr 13 08:48:29 Meh, I can't get the framebuffer stuff to work after a reflash. Funny thing is ,that I had it working fine before I reflashed. Apr 13 08:51:09 hmm, funny jango.com plays music just fine on N810.. tried jango on ps3, result = "Not enough memory" Apr 13 08:51:12 :D Apr 13 08:51:45 Hehe, netfront sucks (except on pocket pc's) Apr 13 09:00:17 I have taken to watching webshows on my N800 which I live very much Apr 13 09:00:29 or, rather, like Apr 13 09:01:24 owned the thing for a year and never considered it Apr 13 09:01:34 but I like watching them even better than my desktop Apr 13 09:02:19 it makes a great last.fm radio too Apr 13 09:09:23 what happens when an unsigned int rolls over? and (for the Datas amongst you) how long will it take when increasing at about 50,00 per 10 seconds Apr 13 09:09:28 50000 Apr 13 09:09:48 it rolls over Apr 13 09:09:50 :) Apr 13 09:10:21 it basically goes from max value to min value. what happens after that depends on how critial it is that it never hits 0... Apr 13 09:10:44 the second part of the question depends on how many bits Apr 13 09:11:10 i know it will end up in an almost infinite loop, but im just trying to wonder how long it would take ;) Apr 13 09:11:10 as for time, do echo $[0xffffffff/50000*5] and you will get time in minutes Apr 13 09:11:17 *6 Apr 13 09:11:54 (it may be \x instead 0x Apr 13 09:11:56 or \\x Apr 13 09:12:06 and how long someone stuck in the loop might have to wait before getting that one sunrise in egypt facing the pyramid on top of a hill type chance of unlocking the system Apr 13 09:12:23 (as the number nears rolling round again) Apr 13 09:12:25 that depends on the sun Apr 13 09:12:27 depends on where mars is in the sky Apr 13 09:12:56 i think i should just relate all values and start from zer o each time :) Apr 13 09:13:03 it may still roll round eventually though Apr 13 09:16:37 kow, just worked it out. with this the program will stop waking the screen up after about 858993.4592 seconds of running. the blanker will engage ;) Apr 13 09:16:46 kot* Apr 13 09:17:04 * lcuk stops worrying Apr 13 09:17:19 you can just reset it in the midway Apr 13 09:17:22 (the counter) Apr 13 09:17:49 thanks for providing a genuine 'wtf' moment when peering into #maemo chat Apr 13 09:18:12 hello X_Fade_ Apr 13 09:18:30 pupnik: :) Apr 13 09:18:56 lol pupnik :D gotta do something to take my mind of nappies Apr 13 09:19:33 heh.. i have misread as 'nipples'... Apr 13 09:19:40 incidentally, pupnik we have solved the blanking Apr 13 09:19:44 i should get some sleep Apr 13 09:19:45 :) Apr 13 09:19:49 great! Apr 13 09:19:50 yes, go go :P Apr 13 09:19:58 bye then Apr 13 09:19:59 :) Apr 13 09:20:05 cheers Apr 13 09:20:08 cya later Kot Apr 13 09:20:10 can i have a binary? Apr 13 09:20:24 later on today you most certainly can Apr 13 09:20:35 ok thanks Apr 13 09:21:49 we were discussing everything yesterday and its looking more and more likely that all this will end up in a proper lib - with the specific programs using it :) Apr 13 09:22:09 (ie you dont have to wade through demo screens to get to your reader Apr 13 09:22:28 but for now its family duties, back later Apr 13 09:22:48 cheers Apr 13 09:24:26 binary of what? Apr 13 09:48:42 Wanna guess how many times in total, I've flashed initfs this morning? Apr 13 09:51:25 42 Apr 13 09:51:41 Half that amount ;) :P :) Apr 13 09:52:08 Ha Apr 13 09:52:12 You're gonna burn it out. :P Apr 13 09:52:43 Hehe, I know :D, I've flashed it so many times before too :/ Apr 13 09:53:11 It's because I'm a stupid perfectionist Apr 13 09:53:11 * qwerty12 rolls eyes Apr 13 09:54:42 * lcuk reflashes qwerty12's eyes Apr 13 09:55:30 *WARNING* DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE Apr 13 09:55:40 Nooooo, my eyes were perfect :O, now every time I wake up, I have to wait for bootloader and initfs Apr 13 09:55:57 t_s_o, a little test scrolling book reader Apr 13 09:56:43 lcuk, Wow, I would be extremely happy if that ever gets released sometime in the next few months. Apr 13 09:56:52 it will do Apr 13 09:57:01 along with other stuff in the toolshed at the moment Apr 13 09:57:29 Great :). My phone can do it but it's not convenient and the N8*0 has a stand so it would be perfect for some bedside reading. Thanks. Apr 13 09:58:43 we are just getting all the pieces together at the moment, there are some important goals which need reaching first Apr 13 09:59:31 I can wait :) Apr 13 10:00:06 Is there any way to run a program on shutdown? Apr 13 10:00:48 I'm using Fanoush's FrameBuffer mod and leaving it in auto slows down the N800 so badly. I'd prefer it so when I shutdown, it gets set back into auto to bring back the geeky side in me :P Apr 13 10:01:57 * GeneralAntilles throws demands for sources at lcuk. Apr 13 10:02:21 what framebuffer mod? Apr 13 10:03:04 Where on bootup and shutdown, you can see the kernel output. Like desktop linux without splash and quiet options. Apr 13 10:03:46 GeneralAntilles, if you heard earlier - once we are happy with everything it will end up as an OSS library/toolkit. i cannot release a playground yet because it contains things which may end up being used inside another closed source app using the library (if that makes sense) Apr 13 10:03:46 i dont understand what the auto option would do for that Apr 13 10:03:57 framebuffermod Apr 13 10:04:20 * lcuk thought long and hard about that reasoning Apr 13 10:04:46 tank-man, manual is the default mode, where you don't really see the frame buffer, setting it to auto lets you use. Apr 13 10:04:59 In auto, I can see kernel output and switch to terminal Apr 13 10:05:12 Like ctrl+alt+f1 in desktop linux Apr 13 10:08:18 what does this framebuffer mod do? Apr 13 10:08:20 i see Apr 13 10:08:49 i think he means module Apr 13 10:09:11 ahhhhhhhhh Apr 13 10:09:15 lcuk, http://youtube.com/?v=UlG7jnXUCTI - a shit youtube by me Apr 13 10:09:31 Watch from 19 seconds and you get the idea Apr 13 10:09:42 theres me thinking he had optimized the heck out of it! Apr 13 10:09:53 but thats still damned impressive Apr 13 10:10:12 Meh, it isn't mine :p. It's all Fanoush's work. He actually got the FrameBuffer to show something :P Apr 13 10:10:18 you're focusing is terrible :P Apr 13 10:10:39 It was done on a W810 with a really bad camera driver >.< :P Apr 13 10:11:16 its ok you could have done it on a n810 with a really bad camera <.> :P Apr 13 10:11:16 Besides, it was 2AM :P Apr 13 10:11:24 lol Apr 13 10:38:44 hey Apr 13 10:39:01 ello Apr 13 10:39:01 where can I get most OSS drivers etc. Apr 13 10:39:35 I've managed to build arm-pc-linux-gnu cross Apr 13 10:39:58 thus Gentoo on ARM awaits Apr 13 10:40:18 afaics the cpu is arm1136jf-s Apr 13 10:40:28 with vfp Apr 13 10:40:50 is there a nice little list somewhere of the maemo specific files and folders and what each does? Apr 13 10:41:03 ie where to drop menu shortcuts etc Apr 13 10:41:21 like desktop files? Apr 13 10:41:26 yer Apr 13 10:41:31 It's mostly covered in the documentation on maemo.org Apr 13 10:41:36 They go in /usr/share/applications/hildon. Let me dbl check. Apr 13 10:41:36 menu shortcuts go to /usr/share/Applications Apr 13 10:41:38 I don't know of a any neat little lists, though. Apr 13 10:41:40 yup Apr 13 10:41:48 well i thought that Apr 13 10:42:11 AStorm, better to put them in hildon subdirectory because then you don't need to restart to show the icon. Apr 13 10:42:16 lol - everywhere i nthe file sys except for etc Apr 13 10:42:40 mhm Apr 13 10:42:53 thx i think ill find the rest Apr 13 10:44:20 I'd like some clear instructions about drivers and other soft Apr 13 10:44:35 wonder what's so special about xomap Apr 13 10:45:39 xomap has e.g. the xv extension implemented Apr 13 10:46:05 xorg runs on the device ok, but is missing xv Apr 13 10:46:33 mhm = slow video Apr 13 10:46:36 kulve, Is there any benefit to using xorg? Apr 13 10:47:07 s/using/using newer libs to build apps/ Apr 13 10:47:32 actually I'm more interested to find out what's the benefits on using kdrive base xomap instead of xorg (excluding the xv) Apr 13 10:47:55 AStorm: without xv there practically cannot be any video.. Apr 13 10:48:04 kulve: wrong Apr 13 10:48:09 unless you bang the hardware ;) Apr 13 10:48:18 Xv only accelerates scaling Apr 13 10:48:19 Eww, no thanks ;) Apr 13 10:48:34 the rest can go through X11shm just fine Apr 13 10:48:37 xv gives direct fb mapped memory Apr 13 10:48:42 yup Apr 13 10:48:44 yer that as wel Apr 13 10:48:53 but x11shm is good enough Apr 13 10:49:50 AStorm: have you ever tried to play unscaled video with something else than xv using e.g. gstreamer (on something lowend like n8x0)? Apr 13 10:50:33 *BUFFERING* Apr 13 10:51:33 moin Apr 13 10:51:41 does anyone know hwere I can find smbtree for 770? Apr 13 10:51:46 AStorm: so have you tried the howto i mailed and did it work? Apr 13 10:51:57 Ivanovic: not yet Apr 13 10:52:07 :( Apr 13 10:52:10 but now I have a real crossdev arm toolchain Apr 13 10:52:29 I'll try later today Apr 13 10:52:43 Has anyone gotten application manager compiled from svn? I tried and "apt-worker.cc:347: error: expected `;' before '*' token Apr 13 10:52:43 apt-worker.cc: In function `void cache_init(bool)': Apr 13 10:52:43 etc" Apr 13 10:53:07 looks like compile error Apr 13 10:53:17 0_0 Apr 13 10:53:20 probably easy Apr 13 10:53:27 Yeah :(, but one guy said it compiled for him Apr 13 10:53:35 Maybe my SB is messing up :( Apr 13 10:57:56 can i specify a startin folder when running something from a desktop shortcut? Apr 13 10:58:27 Not sure but you can start a script. Probably better solutions though. Apr 13 10:59:07 yer i know normally wont need it, its just a thought Apr 13 10:59:22 and you are right, it could be done via script. thats prob simplest for now Apr 13 11:05:35 ok, I'd love to get info on building that wifi driver for newer kernel Apr 13 11:05:44 open(er) one Apr 13 11:16:50 there's loads of libs missing when I've try to install canola2 Apr 13 11:16:51 efl-core Apr 13 11:16:55 python2.5-efl-core Apr 13 11:16:58 e.t.c Apr 13 11:17:09 does anyone know what repositorys are missing? where I can find them Apr 13 11:17:27 Extras? Apr 13 11:18:23 I'm basicly missing the ones listed here: Apr 13 11:18:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13017&page=23 Apr 13 11:18:42 but I thought it has to be a repository that has them Apr 13 11:19:54 starting to think the 770 is not really worth all the work Apr 13 11:20:51 AStorm, for the nexant wifi chipset ? Apr 13 11:20:56 conexant, that is Apr 13 11:23:07 lcuk, hey man, you ever tried using the eclipse maemo integration ? Apr 13 11:23:44 eliaz, gronmayer.com/it lists all the repositories Apr 13 11:23:47 and is searchable. Apr 13 11:23:54 Extras is the one that contains all that stuff. Apr 13 11:23:55 ok, brb, I broke my X session Apr 13 11:24:34 eliaz, the 770 is old and unsupported. It takes a lot of work from developers to maintain support and a bit of effort from users to get all the way there. Apr 13 11:25:23 there, fixed Apr 13 11:26:16 is there a way to pipe the sound easily when xtunneling (ssh) a program ? Apr 13 11:26:41 ok, if you didn't understand that sentence, just reorganize the words 'till you get there Apr 13 11:34:16 networked sound server perhaps? Apr 13 11:38:17 crashanddie: to the tablet? Apr 13 11:38:42 ssh can pipe through stuff on any port, so you just need a networked sound client/server Apr 13 11:38:43 pupnik, yeh Apr 13 11:38:51 hmm Apr 13 11:38:55 but i don't know of anything like that on the tablet Apr 13 11:39:06 can't remember if it's doable with esd Apr 13 11:44:44 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12106 cheapest BT mouse ive seen so far Apr 13 11:51:54 crashanddie: yupp, for the one in N810 Apr 13 11:52:19 AStorm, yeah, I'd like to look into that too, but the project is sortof dead... No updates since august 2007 Apr 13 11:52:23 crashanddie: esd is on the tablet Apr 13 11:52:37 AStorm, ya I'm reading on it Apr 13 11:54:34 I heard someone managed to get it quite running Apr 13 11:54:40 including rfmon Apr 13 11:58:41 as to GPIOs, new kernels (esp. OMAP branch) have these well done Apr 13 12:00:14 works :) Apr 13 12:00:22 I have sound over network :) Apr 13 12:01:39 i have the extras repository but they're not there Apr 13 12:01:53 Which OS version are you running? Apr 13 12:02:28 2006 Apr 13 12:03:08 version 3.2006.49-2 Apr 13 12:03:29 You tried installing from here: http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/install.html ? Apr 13 12:03:52 yepp Apr 13 12:04:23 ... I want that driver... Apr 13 12:07:00 might install the he and try it there instead Apr 13 12:11:10 crashanddie: look on maemopeople (I posted something about using esd , and somebody else looked at using .asoundrc to forward sound Apr 13 12:15:07 crashanddie, what do you mean? Apr 13 12:15:47 using eclopse in normal linux but with plugins for maemo? or actually running eclipse on 810 Apr 13 12:16:13 * lcuk thinks second option would be a dog Apr 13 12:17:44 OUCH! searching google for maemopeople gave the following "suggestion": Apr 13 12:17:48 Did you mean: macpeople Apr 13 12:17:53 haha Apr 13 12:18:58 keesj, nha it's all good, got it to work flawlessly :) Apr 13 12:20:42 on the IT: sudo gainroot; killall esd; esd -tcp -public; on my desktop: sudo apt-get install esound esound-clients; esd && esdmon | esdcat -s ITIPADDRESS Apr 13 12:20:55 then play sound using a esd-enabled media player Apr 13 12:21:09 e.g.: mplayer -ao esd mysound.mp3 Apr 13 12:21:29 which is the source? tablet or pc? Apr 13 12:21:34 PC Apr 13 12:21:47 that's very cool and someone should post it somewhere Apr 13 12:21:54 I don't have an account on ITT Apr 13 12:22:12 * lcuk doesn't either - i think i should rectify that now... Apr 13 12:22:20 Yeah, I'm going to too Apr 13 12:22:43 * lcuk signs up to internettabletalk.com and discusses mahogany Apr 13 12:25:37 bleh Apr 13 12:25:40 way too many subforums Apr 13 12:25:45 where the hell should I post that ? Apr 13 12:25:58 all of them :D Apr 13 12:26:08 i dunno really lol Apr 13 12:26:13 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2007/02/28/p64#more64 Apr 13 12:27:11 pff that was already one year ago................................... Apr 13 12:27:25 keesj, what a hack :D we have been looking for a way to play movies on desktop sat over the room but not need the volume up way high Apr 13 12:27:52 Morning, all Apr 13 12:27:55 (though didnt think to even attempt to use the tablet Apr 13 12:28:00 morning jaffa Apr 13 12:28:10 Well, Sunday af'noon really Apr 13 12:28:35 how is Mr Jaffa today? Apr 13 12:28:46 (besides late) Apr 13 12:29:21 * lcuk is gettin twitchy about linuxtag. need to hear if we are confirmed so i can tell boss Apr 13 12:30:00 keesj, well obviously either your google ranking sucks, because I've googled for 10 minutes and didn't find anything, + that is an IRC convo, not really end-user friendly Apr 13 12:30:30 not to mention out of pocket costs, presentation tech available Apr 13 12:30:49 keesj, and so what if I want to just post it on ITT? Not really like you have copyright on that, and not a lot of people are aware of it, kthxbai Apr 13 12:30:55 to old for google I guess Apr 13 12:31:17 crashanddie: just do it. Apr 13 12:31:30 I am not a forum community member (yet?) Apr 13 12:32:25 keesj: Good thanks. Brushing up on my Python with some Freevo hackery Apr 13 12:32:49 short question: is there already a port of boost to the n810? Apr 13 12:33:11 to be more precise: i need boost-iostreams-dev (to compile wesnoth 1.4.1) Apr 13 12:33:53 i just have libboost-signals built Apr 13 12:34:02 I still try to resit python :p Apr 13 12:34:34 so not directly in the tree :( Apr 13 12:34:46 (but I do have python books already in house) Apr 13 12:36:12 pupnik, you will be supplied with a fresnel lens and are expected to use your own n8x0 for presenting to the audience Apr 13 12:36:28 * Jaffa grins Apr 13 12:36:43 not a hd wirelss adapter? Apr 13 12:37:08 "We'll only present if noBounds is released and available, and a presentation app released" Apr 13 12:37:18 nobounds is a flippin windows application Apr 13 12:37:39 damn good idea though Apr 13 12:38:00 True. I'm guessing/hoping part of it is a direct driver over WLAN for some projectors, but not quite the same as TV out Apr 13 12:38:11 "noBounds, or we're getting up on stage and signing the Song That Never Ends!" Apr 13 12:38:31 * pupnik has own fresnel lens Apr 13 12:38:31 * Jaffa 's Sign Language ain't that good ;-) Apr 13 12:39:05 but there's not an easy way to do a presentation of a tablet Apr 13 12:39:14 maybe a hdtv cam hooked up to a projector? Apr 13 12:39:32 s/signing/singing/ Apr 13 12:39:33 GeneralAntilles meant: "noBounds, or we're getting up on stage and singing the Song That Never Ends!" Apr 13 12:39:47 Hehe Apr 13 12:40:01 You just need one of those webcam projectors. Apr 13 12:40:07 i don't think nobounds could possibly work to show a game running at native speed Apr 13 12:40:15 Digital transparencies. Apr 13 12:40:40 pupnik: agreed Apr 13 12:40:41 pupnik, from a technical basis i believe the 2420 can output a proper tv oriented signal but the nokia isnt wired to allow it Apr 13 12:40:50 pupnik: i guess web-based is the easy way Apr 13 12:41:02 Hand out preloaded N810s like programs. :D Apr 13 12:41:07 and pupnik, you forget vnc Apr 13 12:41:08 :) Apr 13 12:41:17 GeneralAntilles, PERFECT idea :D Apr 13 12:41:22 ZeroConf/avahi-based web/VNC server Apr 13 12:41:27 im taking up a whole row of seats ;) Apr 13 12:41:39 But then you've got another computer anyway, so might as well just take the presentation off the N810 as USB mass storage Apr 13 12:42:02 http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ Apr 13 12:42:12 Shiny indeed Apr 13 12:42:21 pah, why not do it this way? http://vimeo.com/784138 Apr 13 12:43:03 okay,. it is some strange windos app, but maybe wine can help... Apr 13 12:43:06 ;) Apr 13 12:43:06 Ivanovic, look carefully at the nobounds big display and notice what is in the top right hand corner. if they are running that without a desktop machine i will eat my 810 Apr 13 12:43:11 why not use a usb-serial adapter and aalib + full screen term? Apr 13 12:43:32 lcuk: i know that most of the stuff is faked Apr 13 12:44:14 not faked, just not quite what they say: afterall, it IS displayed on a big screen and the content DOES mirror whats happening on the 810, but its just not all being processed by the nokia Apr 13 12:44:21 facked as in "the n810 alone ain't enough"... Apr 13 12:44:30 right Apr 13 12:45:01 video-out would be a killer feature for N9x0 Apr 13 12:45:05 so the nobounds program MAY work really well, especially if the 2 sides are compiled from same source Apr 13 12:45:18 like pdf? Apr 13 12:45:24 anyway.... Apr 13 12:45:43 ie create a graphing module and compile on both sides and you see the cutdown version on 810 and full version on big screen Apr 13 12:46:00 how about a usb adapter soldering event , or serial-dock distribution during linuxtag Apr 13 12:46:19 that at least is something that really requires IRL interaction Apr 13 12:46:32 i dont think i can get on a plane nowadays with a gas powered soldering iron Apr 13 12:46:45 or what about creating a big screen made up of community nokias Apr 13 12:46:53 heh Apr 13 12:46:57 "Careful folks, thats nokia smoke - dont breath it in Apr 13 12:46:58 that would be an interesting project Apr 13 12:47:07 lets say 4 times HD format Apr 13 12:47:19 keesj, that would be a wicked idea and i have pondered it myself Apr 13 12:47:33 but how would you control it Apr 13 12:47:46 Broadcast UDP control of mplayer? Apr 13 12:48:06 4times HD = 7680p by 4240p Apr 13 12:48:11 bandwidth wouldnt work without seriously breaking up the movie beforehand Apr 13 12:48:35 each nokia registers its location and is sent its portion of the display beforehand Apr 13 12:48:43 lcuk: you would need a very powerfull server and would have to create *many* single streams Apr 13 12:48:47 then they keep in sync Apr 13 12:48:47 so that's 10 ITs in width, and 9 in height, achievable Apr 13 12:48:57 ivan ^ Apr 13 12:49:01 single and small streams that is Apr 13 12:49:06 lcuk: syncing would be hard Apr 13 12:49:14 not really Apr 13 12:49:15 A document camera will probably end up being a decent choice. Apr 13 12:49:20 UDP: GO frame 97 Apr 13 12:49:22 not really hard, in fact Apr 13 12:49:30 yeah, UDP would be the way to go here Apr 13 12:49:39 GeneralAntilles, we would need tilt for that properly Apr 13 12:50:02 you'll need 90 ITs though Apr 13 12:50:10 quim could get them Apr 13 12:50:12 ;) Apr 13 12:50:27 and we could all share them out afterwards :D Apr 13 12:50:44 mad idea anyway Apr 13 12:50:45 the shitty part is the fact you have about an inch and a half of space between each screen Apr 13 12:51:00 fixable by dissection Apr 13 12:51:04 im thinking it would be simple doing a rendered project using any number of nokias Apr 13 12:51:04 LOL Apr 13 12:51:06 Have them each do one pixel Apr 13 12:51:10 with huge dot pitch Apr 13 12:51:24 GeneralAntilles, on pixel each ? That's a bit harsh Apr 13 12:51:28 one** Apr 13 12:51:29 some ascii art kind of stuff? Apr 13 12:51:29 like this book scroller - it would be entirely possible to make a massive version which scrolled up/down a stack of nokias in sync Apr 13 12:51:36 end credits Apr 13 12:51:41 That would actually be kinda cool. Apr 13 12:51:47 Special thanks to Doris and her beaver Apr 13 12:51:49 Much cooler than Nokia's wall-o'-N800s Apr 13 12:51:52 that is pretty doable and very kwel Apr 13 12:52:05 it is actually Apr 13 12:53:34 i would like to see something done with all the 810 corner LEDs Apr 13 12:53:48 erhm Apr 13 12:53:54 airport runway lights Apr 13 12:53:57 a sound pipe could also be fun (that every nokia records and sends data over the air) Apr 13 12:53:57 if we could get enough 810 users in a room we could have them hold em in the air and make plasma waves or something Apr 13 12:54:56 i guess a sound based thing would be best because it does not require real network Apr 13 12:55:02 first program i wrote for pc was a room monitor - it displays thumbnails (and selectable single display) of every computer in a classroom - so the teacher can see if they are surfing porn essentially, anyway - i wanted to use the mic from it and create a sound hall Apr 13 12:55:47 an echo where all pcs in a room act like reverberators? Apr 13 12:56:32 ok, supposing we did come up with something big and multi device. how would we make it easy to get on all machines - ie if the audience wants to get involved then could we make it simple for them to particiate? Apr 13 12:56:33 yes , perhaps using fft to change the color based on the frequency Apr 13 12:57:26 shame the gps wont work properly inside Apr 13 12:57:47 we could have it automatically picking up locations Apr 13 12:58:21 it would be strange for a home user to connect and use a 3d interface to walk around the hall and see and hear what nokias around are seeing Apr 13 12:58:52 bt? Apr 13 13:00:05 bt wont give location though - im thinking registering images and sounds from GPS locations and allowing a user on a desktop machine to interfactively walk around looking and listening Apr 13 13:00:17 but there isnt enough resolution - hang on, we could fake it Apr 13 13:00:31 you're right about bt - can we get at signal strength? Apr 13 13:00:56 put up a few bt nodes around the place with fixed locations then get software to monitor the strengths and triangulate Apr 13 13:01:39 that might be to much work :) Apr 13 13:01:51 nahhh, half hour tops Apr 13 13:01:52 ;) Apr 13 13:01:57 haha Apr 13 13:02:52 I used to work for a company doing location based stuff for conferences. I really wished there would have been tablets back then Apr 13 13:02:56 ok, putting feet back on the ground, using a tiled n8x0 display for something, how would we register location in the stack Apr 13 13:03:18 the gps probably isnt sensitive enough for that :) Apr 13 13:03:24 Space them really far apart and use the GPS. :P Apr 13 13:03:35 I just enter my name in the bt name, and have a database of "interesting people" and my devices beeps when somebody Interesrting is nearby) Apr 13 13:03:36 lol - we are talking about a 4inch screen :P Apr 13 13:03:51 keesj, you only need BT phones now for that Apr 13 13:04:44 yes, that was the grand plan , have bt enabled small pc near a stand. but we used sms the most Apr 13 13:04:56 (and WML) Apr 13 13:05:24 incidentally, who has more than one nokia to test any ideas about a wall? Apr 13 13:05:30 * lcuk looks at GeneralAntilles Apr 13 13:05:38 but serioulsy , can we comme up with something like we disscussed and really do it? Apr 13 13:05:56 lcuk: I have 3 Apr 13 13:05:58 * GeneralAntilles throws one of his "1% of global tablet sales"-worth of tablets at lcuk. Apr 13 13:06:21 and I know where to find a few more Apr 13 13:07:12 GeneralAntilles: counting the developers program devices ? Apr 13 13:07:36 I've only got 3 here. Apr 13 13:07:42 and semi-easy access to 1 more. Apr 13 13:07:49 None of them were dev. Apr 13 13:08:22 hmmm keesj, im sure with enough will and determination anything is possible but i think we have other things we need to plan before we can actually code anything up (like a proper idea) Apr 13 13:09:19 im takin an eee with me as well and i think i am agile enough to code under pressure. hope others are as well. im gonna enjoy it there Apr 13 13:10:13 I know it is weird. but I can also be a good thing to work towards something(have a goal) Apr 13 13:10:28 iwithout a goal you never finish Apr 13 13:10:45 i keep contemplating getting an eee Apr 13 13:11:12 i need something to take with me to a linux conference and the eee is most logical solution Apr 13 13:11:16 then i remember my tablet is just as good ;) Apr 13 13:11:18 I mean , I did not check the itt forums but what ideas are there around maemo hacking/ meeting at linuxtag? Apr 13 13:11:33 Nothing on ITT. Apr 13 13:11:51 But sounds like a good idea Apr 13 13:12:16 Haha, did you see your wiki entry, lcuk? :D Apr 13 13:12:24 ???? aka lcuk - n00b & #maemo status (waiting confirmation) Apr 13 13:12:25 that one? Apr 13 13:12:28 Yeah Apr 13 13:12:30 Hehe Apr 13 13:12:59 from my mail: I notice on the wiki page you have a little of my details, but firstly I would like to accept your offer. Apr 13 13:13:58 lol Apr 13 13:14:08 I'm creating the real size image of the 90 ITs wall Apr 13 13:14:08 :D Apr 13 13:14:19 link to pic? Apr 13 13:14:21 size in ram: 2.5GB Apr 13 13:14:27 on your NIT? Apr 13 13:14:30 hang on, not done yet Apr 13 13:14:37 no, the small one Apr 13 13:14:39 lcuk, yeah right :p no, on my laptop Apr 13 13:16:04 I have some other very weird idea...... Apr 13 13:16:25 throw it out here then - see if it sticks Apr 13 13:16:41 discussion breeds applications :) Apr 13 13:17:40 put a beamer/ light source a few meters away from the talbet wall, use the webcam to look at the brightness and display that on the nokia Apr 13 13:17:59 like a wall of memories Apr 13 13:20:40 so make the brightness of the nokias the same as the brightness of the torchlight - or when torchlight is bright display image brighter ? Apr 13 13:21:29 im thinking though this wall of nokias would be good for a single instance, but doesnt show something that people can play with properly at home Apr 13 13:21:58 * lcuk wants participation Apr 13 13:22:40 maybe if we did a simple drawing program hooked up to a bigger pc and each person draws their own tile Apr 13 13:23:10 that way as more people login to the network we can have a display of live scratchpads from everyone Apr 13 13:23:23 could even be viewable by people not in the building :) Apr 13 13:24:08 I guess it would be easyer to to something with sound or webcam and not a wall so it is more organic Apr 13 13:24:45 would be more practical to plan and test as well - especially since if its network related it can be done between any of us in the world Apr 13 13:24:48 I mean having people really hold a device in hand and seeing something happen in the crowd it really something that will be awsome IMHO Apr 13 13:25:31 i would like to merge the feeds from different cameras and build the 3d scene - like the microsoft photo thing Apr 13 13:26:14 I don't know that. is it like taking a picture and pasting it at the right place? Apr 13 13:26:46 My brother in law is a DJ Apr 13 13:26:46 extrapolating the 3d information from ultiple viewpoints of the same information - like a sequence of shots around a building Apr 13 13:26:53 and one of the things that makes people go wild Apr 13 13:27:05 is beer Apr 13 13:27:24 Is when he uses a directional hi-gain mic in order to capture what some bloke/gal is saying, and then mix it live in the track Apr 13 13:27:51 I guess the same would apply with geeks Apr 13 13:28:11 give 'em the ability to draw something on the big board behind the guy who's talking, and people go wild Apr 13 13:28:47 yes, let people login and type from their NIT Apr 13 13:29:03 ouch, swapping hard Apr 13 13:29:04 just keep a display running with recent/active sketches Apr 13 13:29:20 and log who said what Apr 13 13:29:24 so you kick the flambaiter out Apr 13 13:29:45 yes, so very simple would be to capture an image and send it over (using bt?), but that does not really feel very tablet like Apr 13 13:29:47 unless engadget are there there shouldnt be too much hassle Apr 13 13:30:00 not BT Apr 13 13:30:04 bt wouldn't be wide enough Apr 13 13:30:10 and waaay too slow Apr 13 13:30:34 it would be nice to have our own adhoc lan built up of NIT nodes Apr 13 13:31:05 lcuk: messed network yes, that would be great in such situations Apr 13 13:31:15 yup Apr 13 13:31:51 but again, that works with any wifi boxes Apr 13 13:32:58 i think the sketching is simple enough to be doable - and if it looked/felt like the nobounds thing would surprise people Apr 13 13:32:59 <3 working with 100k pixel images Apr 13 13:33:30 nobounds - with extra features for handling multiple clients Apr 13 13:33:53 hell - even use the wall idea and allow putting multiple devices together for a bigger drawing area Apr 13 13:34:37 whos running windows at home and whos running linux Apr 13 13:35:20 the really easy thing is to use the motion package and let people use a laser light to write things on the wall Apr 13 13:36:51 not really, unless the camera was pointing on a blank wall to detect the dot you wouldnt tell where it was Apr 13 13:37:21 if you just point a camera out at the audience and someone shines a laser on it, the camera would just pick up a dot where the person was sitting Apr 13 13:37:50 they couldnt draw things etc Apr 13 13:38:21 if you point 90 cameras that would work right? Apr 13 13:38:21 i do think the camera would be good with an IR led strapped to my finger and moving over the top of the tablet Apr 13 13:38:45 yer but only at 1/90 pixel resolution, not really effective Apr 13 13:39:05 if it was just a blank wall and a spot and one camera it would be higher resolution Apr 13 13:40:07 yes you are right , so still no good idea , the scroller is still nice right? Apr 13 13:40:27 yes, and relatively simple if it just knows where in the stack it is Apr 13 13:40:41 i also like the idea of giving audience members a pen and a display Apr 13 13:41:12 we can wow them with nobounds-homebrew edition and then let them login to play themselves Apr 13 13:41:51 its in my mind for sharing the canvas anyway - so if one end is a bigbox server it is practically the same Apr 13 13:43:17 http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/292/n810wallsmalltv5.jpg Apr 13 13:43:43 crashanddie: wow Apr 13 13:43:47 lol crashanddie would have been better showing the right bit of the map on each one Apr 13 13:43:58 lcuk, YEAH RIGHT Apr 13 13:44:06 lcuk, Like I'm going to capture 90 images xD Apr 13 13:44:11 Haha Apr 13 13:44:16 B- Apr 13 13:44:20 Not enough effort Apr 13 13:44:25 those are images? i thought you had spent your time stacking them up :P Apr 13 13:44:36 just put one picture behind and paste the n810 with nothing on the screen Apr 13 13:44:38 only n810's? the shame! Apr 13 13:44:47 lol shhh keesj ;) Apr 13 13:44:58 keesj, thought about it Apr 13 13:45:23 keesj, but that would mean a pretty hardcore loss of pixels (borders) Apr 13 13:45:55 the "big" wall is 10Megs :D Apr 13 13:45:56 have you not heard of a hacksaw? borderless n810 FTW (and also even less keys to type on) Apr 13 13:46:24 lcuk, better buy a 102" HDTV Apr 13 13:46:44 what and hack the border of that? are you mad? :P Apr 13 13:47:38 * Ivanovic volunteers for being mad Apr 13 13:48:17 right, time to depart for a while. there is only so much mario & sonic that i can put up with (coming from downstairs) Apr 13 13:48:36 hmmm Apr 13 13:49:08 :P Apr 13 13:49:22 keesj, ill keep this scroller in mind the next couple of days ill let you know if its workable with a bit of testing Apr 13 13:49:54 thanks, Apr 13 13:51:58 I will try to compose yet an other mail to the mainling list, hoping SOMEBODY, ANYBODY will answer this time Apr 13 13:52:35 which list are people ignoring? Apr 13 13:52:53 http://dl.free.fr/iaRMf8Yki/n810wall.jpg Apr 13 13:53:07 btw, if you need a good filehost: http://dl.free.fr Apr 13 13:53:20 microsoft picture viewer is gonna have a shitfit isnt it Apr 13 13:53:44 *OMG* LINUX PICTURE *ABORT*ABORT* Apr 13 13:53:50 1GB file limit (web interface), or 10GB size limit if using FTP, the file stays up for 30 days starting from the last download Apr 13 13:54:10 about linuxtag related activities or ideas Apr 13 13:54:30 wheres the list Apr 13 13:54:43 the developers list Apr 13 13:55:28 since i are n00b could you give me a link so i could sign up ? Apr 13 13:55:49 I sent this mail aobut a week ago http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/35816 Apr 13 13:56:56 hmm maemo.org home page also looks nice today Apr 13 13:57:30 keesj, yeah, that strack trace is pretty nice I admit Apr 13 13:57:31 http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html Apr 13 13:58:34 btw, any new word about Android on the n8x0 ? Apr 13 13:58:54 bbl Apr 13 13:59:49 ditto Apr 13 13:59:58 crashanddie: yeah, i like the stack trace on the front page Apr 13 14:06:51 timelyx: long time no see! Apr 13 14:35:52 http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/keesj/2008/04/13/linuxtagmaemofun Apr 13 14:35:58 feel free to add ideas .. Apr 13 14:43:43 keesj, i take it you are going? forgive my lack of knowledge but who are you on the list? Apr 13 14:45:01 tis ok i see you now Apr 13 14:45:39 Gah, Firefox's crashed. Damned flash Apr 13 14:46:15 woo Apr 13 14:46:21 flash 50Gigs of mp3 on my n810 :D Apr 13 14:48:09 External HD? Apr 13 14:48:13 nope Apr 13 14:48:20 NFS? Apr 13 14:48:25 not directly :) Apr 13 14:48:43 streaming music from your desktop? Apr 13 14:48:45 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19059 Apr 13 14:48:50 yup Apr 13 14:59:15 erhm Apr 13 14:59:17 stupid question Apr 13 14:59:36 but where does the Images/Documents etc on the Internal card map to ? Apr 13 15:00:19 I don't even understand the question Apr 13 15:00:28 you mean where is it in the directory structure? Apr 13 15:00:37 yeh Apr 13 15:00:39 look in /media/mmc2 Apr 13 15:00:45 nope Apr 13 15:00:50 erhm Apr 13 15:00:56 yeah, I shouldn't have said it like that Apr 13 15:00:57 /home/user/MyDocs ? Apr 13 15:01:05 qwerty12, I got nothing in there :/ Apr 13 15:01:06 /home/user/MyDocs/.something Apr 13 15:01:11 ah, thanks :) Apr 13 15:01:14 Yeah, ls -la it. Apr 13 15:01:15 /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ Apr 13 15:02:04 thanks :) Apr 13 15:02:05 both cards...internal and external are in /media Apr 13 15:02:14 you mean internal memory Apr 13 15:02:23 yeh, sorry :) Got it Apr 13 15:02:42 I was right, your question was wrong :P Apr 13 15:03:14 WormFood, :P Apr 13 15:07:15 Anyone know where to get "libossohelp" from? Apr 13 15:07:21 keesj/lcuk: another idea would be a network implementation of WWBounce from: http://www.jaffasoft.co.uk/download/index.html - bouncing ball between processes Apr 13 15:09:07 jaffa - make a tablehockey thing and let interactive user push it ;) Apr 13 15:10:09 qwerty12, didn't libosso change to libhildon ? Apr 13 15:10:22 qwerty12, so you would be looking for libhildonhelp Apr 13 15:10:30 crashanddie, I think you are right, thanks :) Apr 13 15:10:40 I must be trying to compile wrong ver. Apr 13 15:10:52 Jaffa: going for a walk , perhaps that fresh air might bring some clever things Apr 13 15:11:18 lcuk: oooh yes, bouncing ball(s) with interaction on the touchscreen (for obstacles possibly) Apr 13 15:11:19 btw, just a question Apr 13 15:11:25 Touch the screen and your finger bounces off it Apr 13 15:11:41 s/your finger bounces off it/the ball bounces off your finger/ Apr 13 15:11:42 Jaffa meant: Touch the screen and the ball bounces off your finger Apr 13 15:11:44 I'm going to move to the UK, any pointers to a nice job I should apply to ? Apr 13 15:11:46 yer push it to other people - or using the wall principle push it to the next screen Apr 13 15:11:58 crashanddie: what can you do? ;-) Apr 13 15:12:00 minister of internet tablets Apr 13 15:12:20 * Jaffa 's employer is always recruiting nice, well rounded people to rip financial companies off Apr 13 15:12:37 numptyphysics on a whole wall ;) Apr 13 15:12:59 watch a cascade through many nokias Apr 13 15:13:08 Jaffa, I'm a pretty good C/C++/PHP coder, I have extended knowledge of databases [mysql/pgsql], Linuces and unices (especially in server environment). I've been developing applications for the University of Perpignan as a freelance coder Apr 13 15:13:10 or just keep it simple and do the ball thing Apr 13 15:13:43 As well as setting up their network and servers, and coming in at impossible hours when they had problems Apr 13 15:13:53 crashanddie: wouldn't have thought you'd have a problem getting the job. Plenty of rich places in London need those sort of skills internally. Alternatively, self-employed consultant Apr 13 15:14:06 crashanddie, there are many positions available in many fields (as there prob are in your country) but to work legally you need work permit i believe Apr 13 15:14:37 lcuk, yeah I know, but I'm working on all that, I've been picking up contact with the UK embassy here in France in order to start the process going Apr 13 15:15:40 if you are already working in a university environment, it might be an idea to contact uk based universities Apr 13 15:15:58 hmm, yeah, indeed Apr 13 15:16:26 Should be relatively easy if you're an EU citizen Apr 13 15:16:34 it may be beneficial to speak to your contacts at the uni where you are coding - remember, its not what you know its who you know Apr 13 15:17:01 if you can get a foot in the door because of a mention from someone at your current uni talking to one of his english mates you stand a good chance Apr 13 15:17:19 lcuk, yeah I know that, I've gotten most of my contracts because I was highly recommended :P Apr 13 15:17:40 exactly :) Apr 13 15:18:06 funny though, getting these awesome jobs as a student, when most of my friends are doing dishes on friday evening :P Apr 13 15:18:47 i went to college for a small night course and ended up working there for over a year :) Apr 13 15:19:26 Ideally, I'd love to find something in Cardiff, I have a flat opening in August :D Apr 13 15:19:59 ...and handy for watching Doctor Who/Torchwood being filmed Apr 13 15:20:22 Cardiff? Come to East London where ppl get stabbed and gangs and grime Apr 13 15:20:36 yeh, guess I'll have to camp on roald dall place :D Apr 13 15:20:42 east london? you wanna try living in manchester Apr 13 15:21:00 our criminals are clean and not grimey at all Apr 13 15:21:01 Meh, I moved down from Halifax :P Apr 13 15:21:14 I have a friend who recommended Manchester... But manchester is f'd up because of the flights (if I need to get back home for something) Apr 13 15:21:24 where are you now? Apr 13 15:21:29 southern france :( Apr 13 15:21:43 better manchester than heathrow t5 Apr 13 15:22:13 well no, that's what I meant Apr 13 15:22:16 cant you fly to spain and jump out half way? dont they let you do that nowadays? Apr 13 15:22:19 liverpool it's much better. Apr 13 15:22:56 Cardiff is far enough so I can say "C'mon mom, do you know how long it takes to get back home ? Plus, it's only my sister's wedding, not something really important" Apr 13 15:23:18 * lcuk tells crashanddie's mum about vnc Apr 13 15:23:34 My mom still asks me where the "Start" button is on her Mac Apr 13 15:24:52 anyway, I'm off Apr 13 15:24:58 cheers everyone Apr 13 15:25:24 crashanddie, before you go Apr 13 15:25:39 lcuk, yeah ? Apr 13 15:25:48 howheres the start button on my n810? Apr 13 15:25:55 :P Apr 13 15:26:01 :D Apr 13 15:26:19 lcuk, ask GA Apr 13 15:27:20 right, off as well - gonna get venture capitalist funding for an eee ;) Apr 13 15:28:49 keesj, i mentioned in the past about wanting proper multiplayer games on maemo, the ball and tablehockey game idea might be simple and effective enough to make it worthewhile Apr 13 15:28:56 but im gone now Apr 13 15:29:32 ^jaffa i maent Apr 13 15:41:21 Navi, Mind if I ask you a question? Which file did you modify in the rss reader to give you a smaller vertical width? Thanks. Apr 13 15:41:25 hmm... this video cast site geekbrief has a downlaod button for n8x0 Apr 13 15:41:48 too bad its a chick on speed talking faster than an overclocked parrot Apr 13 15:42:53 lol Apr 13 15:48:05 No cli ftp on the n810? Apr 13 15:49:50 I have sftp... but the server i am trying to access has no sshd. Apr 13 15:50:12 Any recomendations? Apr 13 15:58:19 hey, is there a graphical SFTP client for OS2008? Apr 13 15:59:39 Ya Apr 13 15:59:46 Maemoftp Apr 13 15:59:52 I think Apr 13 16:00:02 Wait no Apr 13 16:00:08 Thats only ftp Apr 13 16:00:34 Ziegler, http://home.mminternet.com/~delaroca/bin/ncftp.gz - ncftp. No idea what ncftp is though. Apr 13 16:01:18 It's a command-line client. Apr 13 16:01:55 it's also possible to mount a server using sshfs and then use the file manager Apr 13 16:01:59 Is repository.maemo.org down for anyone? Apr 13 16:02:48 Danke Apr 13 16:03:12 I would love to use ssh... But the server does not have that running Apr 13 16:03:26 Ncftp it is! Apr 13 16:06:49 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-disco/ not available?????????? :( is it really good and can i louder my volume? Apr 13 16:06:54 Dont know if its down, but connection is slow Apr 13 16:07:17 Italodance, adv-backlight replaced that for OS2008. And you cannot make the volume louder. Apr 13 16:07:29 Ziegler, thanks. Its not working for me Apr 13 16:07:43 qwerty12 tnx i tested it before Apr 13 16:11:19 Anyone tell me the command to create a deb if you have the debian directory present? Apr 13 16:11:21 Thanks. Apr 13 16:13:17 Depends Apr 13 16:13:29 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is one option Apr 13 16:13:39 fakeroot debian/rules binary is another Apr 13 16:13:48 Thanks, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot worked for me :) Apr 13 16:16:35 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bfriendfinder/ nice new app :D Apr 13 16:16:52 but not deb ????? Apr 13 16:17:18 It doesn't need to be. It seems to be already compiled. Apr 13 16:18:13 yes Apr 13 16:19:34 Anyone know where to get osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-mr0? Google doesn't seem to be telling me much. Apr 13 16:23:11 qwerty12 repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html Apr 13 16:23:41 Hmm, thanks but it's just a list. It doesn't matter, I went and edited configure to remove the dependency. Apr 13 16:25:05 http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.2.31-1.tar.gz ??? Apr 13 16:25:38 Ah ,thanks, could be useful :) Apr 13 16:25:45 It doesn't matter, I solved it :) Apr 13 16:25:53 :D Apr 13 16:26:18 qwerty12 also use there http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src :D Apr 13 16:26:58 Italodance, interesting but those are for OS2006. Apr 13 16:27:12 qwerty12 ah :( Apr 13 16:29:38 Bad idea to put the binaries with the source code Apr 13 16:29:56 There is a packaging system, plus a great repo, sometimes I wonder why people don't even bother Apr 13 16:31:08 qwerty12 try this maybe help u : http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/o/osso-rss-feed-reader/osso-rss-feed-reader_1.4.42-1.tar.gz Apr 13 16:32:02 World, the time has come to ! [push the button] Apr 13 16:33:19 ummm is it good ? Miss.USA.2008.PDTV.XviD-XOR :p Apr 13 16:38:19 qwerty12, it's just a metapackage Apr 13 16:38:29 you won't be able to find it Apr 13 16:38:40 Navi, Already done it ;) Apr 13 16:38:51 Oh, cool. Apr 13 16:38:54 qwerty12 cool Apr 13 16:38:56 I've managed to compile a lib but I'm unsure on the values you changed :) Apr 13 16:39:04 Um Apr 13 16:39:07 applet.h Apr 13 16:39:22 Got that far, but I keep making the applet bigger >.< Apr 13 16:39:30 lol Apr 13 16:39:50 well, for whatever reason Apr 13 16:39:57 nevermind Apr 13 16:40:03 #define HEADLINE_HEIGHT 25 Apr 13 16:40:14 Thanks :) Apr 13 16:40:33 If you make it smaller, scrolling becomes borkened Apr 13 16:41:03 which is why I didn't release the .deb; it needs work that I"m too lazy to do Apr 13 16:41:16 I see what you mean about debs though. It's a bitch the way this was packaged >.<. Apr 13 16:41:23 Getting the lib was a nightmare Apr 13 16:41:37 the lib was okay, I just forced the install with no dependency checking Apr 13 16:41:40 I managed to install that but configure still complained so I had to edit that too Apr 13 16:42:11 that metapackage is just locale stuff, iirc Apr 13 16:42:25 so it wasn't important for compilin Apr 13 16:42:50 Yeah, thanks for the help! I'm off to try it out. Apr 13 16:43:17 mmk Apr 13 16:43:36 It's an unhealthy obsession for me, anything that I have, that can be modded, I will do so lol. Apr 13 16:44:20 Ha Apr 13 16:45:24 if (visible_rect->y % (HEADLINE_HEIGHT + rss_appl_inf->space_between_rows) == 0) <- stops the scroll prematurely Apr 13 16:45:28 compiling/creating .debs by removing the dependencies is bad Apr 13 16:45:32 :P Apr 13 16:45:43 its not bad, its just confusing :P Apr 13 16:45:49 crashanddie, I didn't remove it from the .deb, I just forced the install Apr 13 16:45:56 on scratchbox Apr 13 16:46:00 not on the tablet Apr 13 16:46:04 hmm Apr 13 16:46:20 and it's a lib that should have already been installed anyways Apr 13 16:46:25 * Navi shrugs Apr 13 16:46:38 then just add the correct repos and apt-get install it Apr 13 16:46:55 apt-cache search couldn't find it Apr 13 16:47:14 I have the same repository list on my tablet Apr 13 16:47:25 so it confuses me why it's not showing up Apr 13 16:47:40 talking 'bout search, I might port aptitude Apr 13 16:47:44 does screen work for user in os2008? mine doesn't complaints about permissions Apr 13 16:47:58 I think someone tried doing that before Apr 13 16:48:27 I tried aptitude to no avail too. But I cant program anyway. Apr 13 16:48:32 Been playing with kismet.... The xml files are easier to parse than the gps for making gpx files for mapper Apr 13 16:48:54 More info touse Apr 13 16:49:00 To - use Apr 13 16:49:40 anyways Apr 13 16:49:53 I bugged the mmpc maintainer Apr 13 16:50:04 Oh soory to interupt the closed chat Apr 13 16:50:12 is BT networking much slower than wifi, and does it consume less battery? Apr 13 16:50:37 Ziegler, I think that chat was done Apr 13 16:50:40 Navi, Quick quick plea for help, I set headline_height to 25 but I get this http://i27.tinypic.com/2dvuxu.png . Do I need a lot of feeds? Apr 13 16:50:41 lcuk, BT is waaay slower Apr 13 16:50:44 mmpc was updated Apr 13 16:51:00 lcuk, at best 120kB/s on BT Apr 13 16:51:04 crashanddie, im not after serious traffic - just test files and ssh sessions Apr 13 16:51:11 crashanddie: for web browsing etc there is not much difference Apr 13 16:51:13 O_o Apr 13 16:51:26 well Apr 13 16:51:31 qwerty12, did you change anything else? Apr 13 16:51:48 No, the rest is still the same. I'll try again. Thanks. Apr 13 16:51:49 its just the wifi on this burns serious calaries - its an adhoc which i believe is more of a drain Apr 13 16:52:01 compare ~2MB/s on wifi and 120kB/s on BT, take your pick Apr 13 16:52:05 qwerty12, what was the original value, btw? Apr 13 16:52:24 70 something. I just went and deleted, I'll check again in a sec Apr 13 16:52:31 fair enough, right next question - is it simple and will i blow my config up if i try it Apr 13 16:52:32 yah, but the BT speeds are still faster than my phone's connection, so it's not a loss Apr 13 16:52:42 koyote, heh Apr 13 16:53:08 anyway, I'm off Apr 13 16:53:24 Navi, 72 Apr 13 16:53:31 mmk Apr 13 16:53:32 why is it people always want me to go eat at their place when I have a shitload of work Apr 13 16:53:41 crashanddie, they hate you :D Apr 13 16:53:47 Navi, bastards Apr 13 16:53:52 srsly Apr 13 16:54:03 Heh Apr 13 16:54:07 well, cuz I'm an ass Apr 13 16:54:12 XD Apr 13 16:54:12 I won't even take a bottle of wine Apr 13 16:54:24 cheers everyone, have a nice one Apr 13 16:54:30 bye, you too Apr 13 16:54:32 there is a livecd of wine if you wanna take something different ;) Apr 13 16:54:35 bye Apr 13 16:54:50 cya later crashanddie Apr 13 16:54:57 Heh Apr 13 16:55:03 better yet, Wine through USB Apr 13 16:55:18 USB Wine, download wine straight from the vineyards ! Apr 13 16:55:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRL1SeTJ1rk Apr 13 16:55:58 Anyone know why the volume gets bumped down whenever you plug in something to the headphone jack? Apr 13 16:56:14 Never noticed Apr 13 16:56:21 navi, press the button on the headphones (Nokia original) Apr 13 16:56:22 Trying it Apr 13 16:56:27 see if it goes louder Apr 13 16:56:33 Same here, all I notice is that GLIB & Kernel recieves an event Apr 13 16:56:36 What program... Or does it matter? Apr 13 16:56:49 just the max volume Apr 13 16:56:53 Ok Apr 13 16:57:21 Heh... Sure enough Apr 13 16:57:29 About Apr 13 16:57:51 20% Reduction Apr 13 16:58:05 You can bump it back up, but it's annoying to do so Apr 13 16:58:20 It goes from ear-blasting to can't-hear-in-a-loud-room Apr 13 16:58:22 Ya Apr 13 16:58:50 but ear blasting without headphones to bursting your eardrums Apr 13 16:59:19 totally fine with that Apr 13 16:59:25 ;) Apr 13 16:59:29 my old car: when i turned ignition on the radio would always come back at a max vol 10 no matter how loud i had it before Apr 13 16:59:36 Yeah, I see why they put it in Apr 13 16:59:40 Seems like a bit of amplification reduc with headphones in Apr 13 16:59:42 but it needs a toggle Apr 13 16:59:57 Besides just the volume turning down Apr 13 16:59:58 user configurable option would be best yes Apr 13 17:00:06 Heh Apr 13 17:00:13 restarting the N800 is so battery-drainy Apr 13 17:00:39 its not draining battery faster, its the battery icon gets refreshed. it was low before you rebooted :P Apr 13 17:00:51 Nah Apr 13 17:00:56 it was fully charged before I rebooted. Apr 13 17:01:17 I rebooted a few times and I'm at 1 hour left Apr 13 17:01:20 on the 810 i notice it stays up high for ages but if i reboot it normally drops a ocuple of bars Apr 13 17:01:27 i mean, you might be right Apr 13 17:01:34 oooooer Apr 13 17:02:59 lcuk, it's funny though Apr 13 17:03:21 the statusbar applet icon doesn't decrease until I have less than an hour left :) Apr 13 17:04:14 Is diablo available to test? Apr 13 17:04:17 im seriously considering modding my cradle to hold a full large rechargable pack (8-12AAs) and just keep those charged Apr 13 17:04:25 Ziegler, closed testing Apr 13 17:04:34 lcuk, sexy. Apr 13 17:04:49 Eta for public? Apr 13 17:05:02 Beats me Apr 13 17:05:04 well it sits in there 99% of the time but most days i end up tethered Apr 13 17:05:48 My N800's boot is so slow and now the hildon-desktop isn't showing :(. Guess I'll have to reflash again. 2nd time in 1 day. Apr 13 17:05:52 i would liek to charge overnight and use for the entire day Apr 13 17:05:58 qwerty12, :/ Apr 13 17:06:11 qwerty12, do you just want the deb I whipped up? Apr 13 17:06:19 Ok, then please :) Apr 13 17:06:34 that reminds me - i need to take a backup of my NIT Apr 13 17:06:37 Any of you tighten up the slide on your n810? Apr 13 17:06:53 * Navi sort of wishes he had an N810 Apr 13 17:07:08 hey - i got the gps connected the other night! Apr 13 17:07:23 and it stayed connected for long enough to play with it! Apr 13 17:07:29 lol Apr 13 17:07:43 I wouldn't get it for the GPS :| Apr 13 17:07:56 shame it was about 50 metres behind me - the little woman would have gotten frustrated keep telling me 50 metres to go, then to turn round cos i missed it Apr 13 17:07:57 Just the smaller form factor and keyboard would be nice Apr 13 17:08:07 haha Apr 13 17:08:24 poor lcuk Apr 13 17:08:30 My gps works fine Apr 13 17:08:48 i should have closed all the apps i was playing with earlier that night for a better experience Apr 13 17:08:53 How long does it take to get a fix for you? Apr 13 17:08:58 it didnt lag last time i connected Apr 13 17:09:07 Initial fix is uner a miunte or two most days Apr 13 17:09:17 ill tell you now - its 18:09 and im gonna put it near window.. Apr 13 17:09:29 Acuraccy is similar to a tomtom Apr 13 17:09:39 Really? That's a drastically different number :P Apr 13 17:09:58 Ya Apr 13 17:10:24 now, its not been rebooted since last connection so i am hoping for quickness Apr 13 17:10:25 Russia? Apr 13 17:10:42 its accurate allright, but its that first fix thats the killer Apr 13 17:10:56 Wait... Thats to far Apr 13 17:11:28 qwerty12, is it okay that there are only 11 feeds displayed? Apr 13 17:11:37 Yeah sure :) Apr 13 17:11:47 I only keep the BBC on there come think of it. Apr 13 17:11:54 'cuz that's the maximum you can display with the thing stretched all the way out Apr 13 17:12:09 Honestly i read alot about poor fix times on the n810 ... But indoors its similar to all other standalone devices 8 have played with Apr 13 17:12:22 I* Apr 13 17:12:41 gah Apr 13 17:12:46 it's a pain to resize widgets Apr 13 17:12:48 right, still not connected, it can see 4 sats on the graph but not very high, it normally sits like this for hours on end. if i move it fractionally it will drop to 2. Apr 13 17:12:53 s/widgets/applets/ Apr 13 17:12:53 Navi meant: it's a pain to resize applets Apr 13 17:13:48 Lcuik... Wow thats horried... Its never been longer than 5 minutes for me to fix Apr 13 17:13:56 i wonder if the difference between 810 and standalone is the reboot - most small gps nodes are always on arent they Apr 13 17:14:06 down to 3 now Apr 13 17:14:10 not touched it Apr 13 17:14:25 Might just be your location Apr 13 17:14:43 entire city? wherever i have tried it i have had similar issues Apr 13 17:15:03 qwerty12, http://www.xenf.net/osso-rss-feed-reader-applet_1.4.46-0_armel.deb Apr 13 17:15:07 What country? Apr 13 17:15:07 i will take it up onto the moors and sit it ontop of the car next time i am up there Apr 13 17:15:10 england Apr 13 17:15:33 I miss the North :( Apr 13 17:15:33 my missus said that the gps must be busy :D Apr 13 17:15:38 Im indoors right now, an I just connected Apr 13 17:15:51 :O holy mother of god - it connected Apr 13 17:15:58 Lol Apr 13 17:16:03 lcuk, success! Apr 13 17:16:05 \o/ Apr 13 17:16:18 Time? Apr 13 17:16:35 6 minutes. but as noted i had spent time connecting previously and havent rebooted since Apr 13 17:16:56 Meh... Sounds like voodo to me Apr 13 17:17:03 (the other night it connected sometime during the course of a poker game - i left it on the window) Apr 13 17:17:39 In my car < 3 minutes even on a rainy day Apr 13 17:17:41 ill monitor the situation. infact. now i am on a roll im gonna test something... im popping the battery Apr 13 17:19:53 Yep, my N800 is going under the reflash. Not sure what I am more pissed of at, reflashing again after I did so yesterday or reinstalling my apps. Apr 13 17:19:56 Bye all, gtg Apr 13 17:20:17 right, its 18:20 Apr 13 17:21:04 Heh Apr 13 17:21:06 Sucks for him. Apr 13 17:21:46 I am debating on attempting to tighten up the n810 slide... But dont know if i am ready yet. Its only 2 weeks old. Apr 13 17:22:19 There really isnt an easy way to backup apps is ther? Apr 13 17:22:24 There* Apr 13 17:22:32 Nah Apr 13 17:22:43 I just tar the fs as a backup Apr 13 17:22:58 Diablo is supposed to fix that ya? Apr 13 17:23:11 Updates without a flash? Apr 13 17:23:11 How so? Apr 13 17:23:34 Let me see if I can find that link Apr 13 17:26:06 Yeah, over the air updates Apr 13 17:26:23 qwerty borked his system though Apr 13 17:26:47 so reflashing's the easiest way out Apr 13 17:27:16 So it is possible... Just doesnt work yet Apr 13 17:27:32 Over the air updates? Apr 13 17:27:37 ya Apr 13 17:27:40 incrimental updates are better anyway - people are fed up with full flash to change Apr 13 17:27:48 It's a feature for diablo Apr 13 17:27:51 plus it will become easier for nokia to give smaller updates Apr 13 17:27:56 lcuk, agreed Apr 13 17:28:39 obviously they can't/shouldnt get rid of the full flash but thats only for complete reformat Apr 13 17:28:50 http://pastebin.ca/983821 someone can help me pls ? Apr 13 17:28:58 Incremental over the air updates availible with next os update is what I read. I assume that meant diablo Apr 13 17:29:09 yeah Apr 13 17:29:52 b0unc3, pretty weird there Apr 13 17:30:37 I had a simmilar problem Apr 13 17:30:49 10 minutes!!! Apr 13 17:30:55 This An n810? Apr 13 17:30:57 from cold reboot Apr 13 17:31:00 yes Apr 13 17:31:10 Ziegler: no, 770 Apr 13 17:31:13 thats the best ive had it - i have found a sweet spot :D Apr 13 17:31:14 Oh Apr 13 17:31:42 My problem had to do with a poor memory mis-format Apr 13 17:32:00 * lcuk stops moaning about gps Apr 13 17:32:05 I backed everything up and re-formated the mem Apr 13 17:32:20 All was good after that Apr 13 17:33:16 Dont know if that helps you Apr 13 17:34:32 uhm... if I mount it on my laptop the problem persists... strange... Apr 13 17:35:54 Can u reformat it from th770? Apr 13 17:36:19 yes Apr 13 17:36:55 Does os2008 run on the 770? Apr 13 17:37:49 maybe no... I use OS2006... Apr 13 17:38:09 I was just currious Apr 13 17:47:58 OS2008HE Apr 13 17:48:52 Oh right Apr 13 17:53:40 Hrm Apr 13 17:54:08 I really like the black keyboard in hendrika Apr 13 17:54:44 Wonder if I can swap out the button images for nuvoclear Apr 13 17:59:02 Who here recently purchased an n800? Apr 13 18:01:15 n810 here a couple weeks ago... But almost did the n800 Apr 13 18:02:45 UserID10T me ???? Apr 13 18:03:13 I just purchased an N800 Apr 13 18:08:51 Congrats mikedep333 Apr 13 18:08:57 You already have yours? Apr 13 18:09:02 Mine is about to be shipped. Apr 13 18:09:19 Congrats, Ziegler and Italodance too. Apr 13 18:09:30 I was talking with someone in IM, sorry about the disappearance. Apr 13 18:14:19 yeah, I received it on wednesday Apr 13 18:14:31 Got it all tricked out yet? Apr 13 18:14:35 mostly Apr 13 18:14:39 still struggling with some things Apr 13 18:14:40 like email Apr 13 18:14:47 I had purched a Helio Ocean for mobile device use, but it is so buggy... Apr 13 18:14:54 but I think thats a problem with another email client acccessing the same mailbox Apr 13 18:14:59 My yahoo doesn't want to connect, it lags and freezes up... Apr 13 18:15:18 Another client on the n800 or on another system? Apr 13 18:15:40 I think a client on another system is downloading all the messages off gmail permanently Apr 13 18:15:49 Weak. Apr 13 18:15:54 causing my n800 to never be able to download them Apr 13 18:15:59 but I'm looking into it Apr 13 18:16:13 But gmail's client should still handle the emails web based right? Apr 13 18:16:23 So it should still catch them on multiple clients. Apr 13 18:16:27 I'm sure i can use the gmail web interface, yeah Apr 13 18:16:31 Cause if you go to gmail.com you can see them right? Apr 13 18:16:50 Well the client software shouldn't access a database other than gmail.com's right? Apr 13 18:17:04 So multi-access COULDN'T be the problem... Apr 13 18:17:06 Am I wrong? Apr 13 18:17:36 I'll look into it later Apr 13 18:18:18 I don't know linux, and I am not a fan of pop, smtp or other servers. Apr 13 18:20:17 Oh Mike, on the n800 from what I can see on maemo.org, you can download and install directly onto the system via wifi or usb. Is that right? Apr 13 18:20:30 Or does the .install have to be sent from the PC? Apr 13 18:20:40 from what I understand Apr 13 18:20:42 and have done Apr 13 18:20:42 Like...using shell. Apr 13 18:20:52 the usb is only for upgrading from OS2007 to 2008 Apr 13 18:21:00 once that is installed Apr 13 18:21:05 you install everything over wi-fi Apr 13 18:21:32 you add repositories, install packages from repositories, and install deb packages over the web or whatever Apr 13 18:21:34 all using wi-fi Apr 13 18:21:55 or manually install tarballs or whatever by transferring them over wi-fi Apr 13 18:22:08 Cause of the flash, eh? Apr 13 18:22:13 yeah Apr 13 18:22:19 I think there are ways to transfer files over USB Apr 13 18:22:21 but I am not sure Apr 13 18:22:25 I don't know what the crap a repository is yet. :( Apr 13 18:22:34 it's a web site Apr 13 18:22:35 There are mike, I saw on youtube. Apr 13 18:22:35 Heh. Apr 13 18:22:45 that only the operating system accesses Apr 13 18:22:53 you can mount the device as a USB mass storage device Apr 13 18:22:58 it grabs and install software packages from the repo Apr 13 18:22:58 Yep Apr 13 18:23:03 Ah I see. Apr 13 18:23:05 oh, right Apr 13 18:23:08 but you don't do that to install packages Apr 13 18:23:23 and it gets updates to those packages from the repository Apr 13 18:24:15 oh Apr 13 18:24:22 and packages show up in your package manager Apr 13 18:24:26 once the repository is added Apr 13 18:24:32 so you can easily browse the available packages Apr 13 18:25:31 *sighs* Apr 13 18:25:37 Where are good tutorials? Apr 13 18:25:51 I should get mine Tuesday, and I need to learn a little but of the structure of linux. Apr 13 18:26:05 or the proprietary platform for the n800 Apr 13 18:26:07 Whatever it may be. Apr 13 18:26:26 you don't really need to know a lot about Linux to do day-to-day things with the n800 Apr 13 18:26:43 But setup and installation you would. Apr 13 18:26:49 not really, no Apr 13 18:27:10 Sweet. Apr 13 18:27:20 typical software installation etc. won't require specific Linux knowledge Apr 13 18:27:39 if you want to do fancy and/or cutting edge things, you might, because those packages and softwares don't tend to be as polished Apr 13 18:27:54 but just using applications and installing new, popular software is pretty much point-and-tap :-) Apr 13 18:28:20 I will be getting...some themes, xmame, scummvm, some other games, pidgin...and a few others. Apr 13 18:28:40 I won't personally need databases beyond what these programs will require. Apr 13 18:28:41 Hehe sounds like my first actions Apr 13 18:28:51 * UserID10T high fives Ziegler. Apr 13 18:29:22 :-) Apr 13 18:29:43 how do i create "local" function declarations in c - ie ones which do not conflict with functions of the same name defined in different .c files? Apr 13 18:29:46 UserID10T: you may need to upgrade to ITOS2008 for that Apr 13 18:29:52 *for all that Apr 13 18:29:57 fortunately, that is easy Apr 13 18:30:23 and very useful in other ways too Apr 13 18:30:36 I installed motion yestersay to utilize the web cam... As the webcam.... Its a bit buggy after shutdown... But it works quite nicley Apr 13 18:31:21 ITOS2008... Apr 13 18:34:02 Woah the OS2008 side of maemo.org is throwing an error. Apr 13 18:37:40 UserID10T: the whole site is giving errors at random times. very very unproffestional[tm] if you ask me Apr 13 18:38:13 and when the message contain sql kind of stuff , I really dislike it Apr 13 18:38:21 lcuk, you don't :-) Apr 13 18:38:34 lcuk, or you can try playing with linker flags if the symbols come from shared libs Apr 13 18:39:02 but it is the "features" apps that are going wrong Apr 13 18:39:17 I see I see. Apr 13 18:39:26 lcuk: you name it static Apr 13 18:40:13 http://www.space.unibe.ch/comp_doc/c_manual/C/SYNTAX/static.htm Apr 13 18:40:40 but the guy is as good in spelling as I am "visable" Apr 13 18:41:45 you can also play around with define and undef :p Apr 13 18:41:50 If you make an app request, is the response met generally quickly? Apr 13 18:41:57 define "an app request" Apr 13 18:42:12 A request for a port of said game or application. Apr 13 18:42:13 and yeah, maemo.org has its share of problems Apr 13 18:42:25 that depends on the interest of someone who can do the port Apr 13 18:42:29 Is there some sort of restriction in what can be chosen? Apr 13 18:42:38 I see. I would assume that of course. Apr 13 18:43:02 I meant, does it have to be linux based already, does it need to be stored as a certain type of file, etc. Apr 13 18:43:16 But if it's just interest, that's workable. Apr 13 18:44:00 hello Apr 13 18:44:21 what is better for my N800: xfce or kde? Apr 13 18:44:28 i want to install one of them Apr 13 18:44:42 e17 Apr 13 18:44:54 i can install enlightenment? Apr 13 18:44:59 UserID10T: if it's Linux and Gtk+-based, and has a relatively simple UI, for example, it would possibly take less interest, because the port would be easier Apr 13 18:44:59 its that possible? Apr 13 18:45:08 UserID10T: but if source is available, interest is all that's required Apr 13 18:45:29 komputiko: no , there is no package atm Apr 13 18:45:32 ok, so e17, xfce or kde...? Apr 13 18:45:37 ah ok Apr 13 18:45:58 then..? Apr 13 18:46:02 xfce or kde Apr 13 18:46:26 the main prolbem is having a keyboard( I think there are packages for kde) Apr 13 18:46:27 i think that maybe xfce will be better Apr 13 18:47:06 if you have a keyboard perhaps Apr 13 18:47:34 hildon is tweaked for the n800 so that would be the best Apr 13 18:49:37 maybe you can try cellwriter... Apr 13 18:51:48 ups Apr 13 18:52:12 so you think that kde or xfce are not usable Apr 13 18:52:16 with n800 Apr 13 18:53:42 really i only like test amarok... but i think it will be slow Apr 13 18:53:52 and maybe koffice Apr 13 18:57:53 keesj, thank you :) ive taken a few functions out of a module to test optimised versions thereof, but i dont want to change the interface Apr 13 19:00:07 me uses his n810 without shame Apr 13 19:00:16 +/ Apr 13 19:00:58 Heh Apr 13 19:03:17 Question: I've read that the 770 has interference issues with 802.11n nodes - something about 802.11n packets making the 770 blind to its AP browser finding anything. Any info on this, or a fix? Apr 13 19:04:15 I found a forum entry that had something about manually configuring the default AP association, but the packages linked were not compatible with either of my 770 os versions Apr 13 19:04:58 this is really frustrating to me, both 770s were used as wifi-media/music. now I have to listen to ipod music or none at all. Apr 13 19:07:09 running kismet shows all the missint APs that dont show up in the wifi browser Apr 13 19:07:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?s=24f6cc794d1aef3d68686850f8edc6b0&searchid=1658210 Apr 13 19:10:35 I guess its sunday, mostly lurkers - /msg me if anyone has suggestions for a solution, I've tried the latest OS versions both HE and standard on my two 770s, no functional wifi at home. Apr 13 19:19:39 somebody speak spanish? alguien habla español? Apr 13 19:31:37 hey, I'm looking to setup the grandcentral free phone service Apr 13 19:31:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14536&highlight=free+landline Apr 13 19:31:53 does anyone have an invite? Apr 13 19:45:00 hey folks Apr 13 19:46:07 is grandcentral still around? Apr 13 19:46:10 lol Apr 13 19:46:19 i forgot all about them Apr 13 19:58:41 does anyone use the mplayer-plugin on the browser? Apr 13 19:59:18 I have just created a greasemonkey script that turns youtube to use the plugin, but on my device, the plugin doesn't work at all. Apr 13 19:59:24 No, but i would like to Apr 13 19:59:54 Heh Apr 13 19:59:55 I only get a "loading playlist" from mplayer. Apr 13 20:00:29 anyway, if someone does have the plugin running, I could share the greasemonkey script. Apr 13 20:00:53 If that turns out to be working, I could quickly write support for a few other services as well. Apr 13 20:01:33 as really, the flash performance is only able to barely take care of youtube, but absolutely not of other, more demanding services Apr 13 20:01:40 like dailymotion Apr 13 20:02:05 greasemonkey is, by the way, truly great Apr 13 20:21:37 where can I find the IT video convertor Apr 13 20:21:50 I thought nokia had some other software available for your desktop PC Apr 13 20:22:09 but all I see is rhapsody and the OS2008 update on their site Apr 13 20:22:29 nm, found it Apr 13 20:22:30 http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 Apr 13 20:40:39 http://planon.com/docupen.php that thing would pwn with an it Apr 13 20:49:33 yawn Apr 13 21:21:49 when i open modest, i get the error window 'Unable to connect to imap.gmail.com. Server name or port number may be incorrect". yet, when i type "ping imap.gmail.com" at the console, i get back replies. anyone know what's wrong? Apr 13 21:23:10 beta software Apr 13 21:23:21 wait for update or rollback to older version Apr 13 21:23:29 at least that's what i have heard Apr 13 21:23:41 so others are having the same problem? Apr 13 21:23:54 as far i can remember, yes Apr 13 21:24:06 okay that's fine, i was worried i had screwed something up :) Apr 13 21:24:11 :) Apr 13 21:24:19 but keep searching Apr 13 21:24:31 like on the mailing list and such? Apr 13 21:24:37 probably Apr 13 21:24:42 the latest archive is for feb 2008 though Apr 13 21:25:03 you could try these instructions to test imap via telnet http://documents.made-it.com/imapcmd.html Apr 13 21:25:30 sure Apr 13 21:25:37 if that works, you know it's the client Apr 13 21:26:31 well i can connect fine using evolution on my laptop Apr 13 21:30:29 im looking into getting an n810 .. part of the req. for my getting it will be the ability to make voip calls via SIP. Is there one app that stands out for VoIP on the n810 Apr 13 21:30:59 lirakis: there's skype Apr 13 21:31:04 and gizmo Apr 13 21:31:14 and plain ol' SIP client too Apr 13 21:31:37 nwidger: skype is evil Apr 13 21:31:38 hehe Apr 13 21:31:47 .. im looking for plain sip Apr 13 21:31:54 so gizmo i guess Apr 13 21:32:01 well there you go :P Apr 13 21:33:18 im looking around on maemoapps.org ... is there a single site that has a repository of apps for the nseries ? Apr 13 21:33:52 maemo.org Apr 13 21:34:04 KotCzarny: it seems kinda broken Apr 13 21:34:04 and garage.maemo.org for beta apps Apr 13 21:34:13 yeah, it's laggy sometimes Apr 13 21:34:14 :) Apr 13 21:34:24 all those n8x0 users ;) Apr 13 21:35:03 but you can find most of them in application manager Apr 13 21:35:07 after you enable extras Apr 13 21:35:09 i see a bunch of code "( ! ) Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_styleloader.php(538) : eval()'d code on line 15 Call Stack" .. on maemo.org Apr 13 21:35:19 but keep the 'beta quality' in mind Apr 13 21:35:24 looks like its actually .. broken Apr 13 21:35:37 lirakis: yeah Apr 13 21:35:48 still, it will be up soon i think Apr 13 21:36:04 gizmo is nice, i wish the linux client would add video call support though :( Apr 13 21:36:10 even the nokia port has it Apr 13 21:36:56 nwidger: nice .. im on gizmo5.com Apr 13 21:37:45 do you know where can I find an usage example of GtkIconView in python? I've googled around, but couldn't find anything... Apr 13 21:37:55 lirakis: cool. Apr 13 21:40:21 lirakis, I've never used gizmo, mainly because it requires you to make an account even though you use another SIP provider (say, your ISP) Apr 13 21:40:36 lirakis, I use the good old stock SIP client, which works flawlessly Apr 13 21:40:52 crashanddie: ..? it requires you to make an account ? Apr 13 21:41:20 crashanddie: what is the "stock" sip client called ? Apr 13 21:41:41 crashanddie: im just trying to get some info about the clients available Apr 13 21:42:35 lirakis, yeah, basically gizmo works with an account service, basically, they offer premium rates to most countries, so you *need* an account with them (even though you don't balance it at all) in order to connect, and then connect to your secondary SIP service provider Apr 13 21:42:47 crashanddie: oh thats lame Apr 13 21:43:02 herding users Apr 13 21:43:06 that's what it is Apr 13 21:43:09 lirakis, the stock SIP client is called "Internet Call", it's shipped with ITOS 2008 by default, I *think* it's proprietary Apr 13 21:43:37 crashanddie: yeah.. i am my own itsp.. i have several softswitches and carrier relationships ... so .. i just want to connect to my servers only .. no middleman ;) Apr 13 21:43:44 crashanddie: thanks for the info Apr 13 21:44:47 has anyone got info about the wimax version of the n810 and the service sprint will be offering? Apr 13 21:53:42 lirakis: the built-in sip client is _not_ proprietary, it's based on telepathy Apr 13 21:53:54 (well, I mean, the UI is but not the actual guts of it) Apr 13 21:54:28 megabyte405: okay cool i thought i read "telepathy" some where.. ill look about Apr 13 21:57:12 i can read people's minds with my n800, y'know Apr 13 22:00:50 package telepathy? Apr 13 22:01:17 i knew you were going to say that Apr 13 22:01:23 telepathy.freedesktop.org is what rtcomm.garage.maemo.org is based on Apr 13 22:01:44 yeah Apr 13 22:01:51 you can put presets in for the sip client, its pretty easy Apr 13 22:02:00 take a look at /usr/share/osso-rtcom/profiles/ Apr 13 22:02:38 * Robot101 sleeps Apr 13 22:06:19 Still having problems with the webcam working when i make sip calls with the n810 Apr 13 22:06:56 n810 to n810 Apr 13 22:08:30 soo... is the 810 .. waaayyy better than the 800? Apr 13 22:08:52 I like the gps and keayboard Apr 13 22:09:08 And i got mine for ~$300 Apr 13 22:09:24 (Slightly used) Apr 13 22:09:47 Fm reciever would be nice Apr 13 22:10:08 But other than that, I like it Apr 13 22:10:10 I want the wimax edition! Apr 13 22:10:12 * KotCzarny got n800 for 150 Apr 13 22:10:13 :) Apr 13 22:10:49 I dont see the big deal about wimax... Especially since i have not seen it offered much around here Apr 13 22:10:54 yeah i want the wimax ed. too Apr 13 22:11:04 if sprint actually offers it Apr 13 22:11:21 b/c i dont give a hoot about a umpc if i can only use it at home or at the office Apr 13 22:11:59 I do have a bunch of wifi hotspots in the area Apr 13 22:14:02 do they actually sell 8gb minisd cards? Apr 13 22:14:04 Any in the market for a dell computer? Apr 13 22:14:07 how does modest deal with new msg notifications if you have new messages in various folders on an imap account? Apr 13 22:14:11 Yes they do Apr 13 22:14:21 Wait no Apr 13 22:14:25 Micro sd Apr 13 22:14:37 * sp3000 looks for an imap account to test stuff with Apr 13 22:14:45 * sp3000 finds something that might work Apr 13 22:15:07 hang on i cant remember which one the n810 uses Apr 13 22:15:09 I think I need to only get notifications and autodownload on one folder, in what I'm thinking of doing Apr 13 22:15:12 Ebay has been selling a bunch of micri sdhc 8gb cards latley Apr 13 22:15:47 With adapters for mini and standard Apr 13 22:16:13 damn you nokia, you couldnt have just used sodding sd cards could you? Apr 13 22:16:15 < $US 50 Apr 13 22:16:33 goooooooooood evening everyone! Apr 13 22:16:48 Hi General and all you others i already had the pleasure to talk to :) Apr 13 22:16:53 oof, maemo.org/downloads isn't happy :( Apr 13 22:17:04 the darn keyboard on n810 is making my 770 very lonely Apr 13 22:17:31 pupnik: use 770 as a remote display Apr 13 22:17:32 :) Apr 13 22:18:25 Hi everyone, i just finished my latest online project *sigh* within 2 days.. *double sigh* Apr 13 22:18:27 what's sdhc mean? Apr 13 22:18:44 High capacity Apr 13 22:18:50 practisevoodoo: thats a standard for SD cards... a new one Apr 13 22:19:05 Thats what the n810 uses Apr 13 22:19:25 but i read somewhere that the n800 also can rad sdhac cards Apr 13 22:19:31 i cant keep track of all the damn flash memory formats Apr 13 22:19:48 even 770 can read sd/sdhc nowadays Apr 13 22:20:03 it's just a matter of kernel driver Apr 13 22:20:04 im still annoyed by all the compact flash cards i have Apr 13 22:21:26 send them to me Apr 13 22:21:30 problem solved Apr 13 22:21:30 ;) Apr 13 22:21:32 Can n810 read regular sd? Apr 13 22:21:42 ziegler: yes Apr 13 22:21:47 Ok guys... here we go! Would be nice if you could test out my Mojocafe Radio at http://www.mojocafe.net/radio .... and tell me sum bugs and critics... apart of the fact that i used flash :) Apr 13 22:23:08 and tell me if you found the "hidden area" :) Apr 13 22:23:48 and do not forget to change to fullscreen mode :) Apr 13 22:24:12 Where's the icon for the task launcher menu thing? Apr 13 22:25:30 Works Apr 13 22:25:45 ziegler: you mean mine? Apr 13 22:25:56 Wondered why it wasnt playing at first Apr 13 22:26:20 Need some sort of indicator. Cyb...yes Apr 13 22:26:24 Brb Apr 13 22:26:40 Ziegler: you mean some kind of "loading" indicatore, right? Good idea! Apr 13 22:28:14 soo.. if you guys could get a 770 for $80 .. or a 810 for $350 ... could you explain the thought process for choosing one over the other? Apr 13 22:28:35 if you can afford 810. go for it Apr 13 22:28:44 770 is 2005 technology Apr 13 22:28:48 Well buy the n800, its cheaper then the n810 but better then the 770 :) Apr 13 22:28:50 and getting old Apr 13 22:28:52 yeah .. i know.. Apr 13 22:28:59 or get both Apr 13 22:29:06 .. that is another question .. is the 810 really worth the extra cash? Apr 13 22:29:09 and give 770 for your kids Apr 13 22:29:11 :) Apr 13 22:29:20 770 I wouldn't touch. n800 vs n810 is a choice I'd have to consider for a while :P Apr 13 22:29:36 Jiten_: sold on that .. 770 is off the list Apr 13 22:29:37 ;) Apr 13 22:29:58 there are some reviews out there telling wy the 800 is better then the 810. The main questions are: 1. do you need GPS and 2. do you need the keyboard? Apr 13 22:30:05 If not, then take the n800. Apr 13 22:30:20 ad2. you can always get bt kb Apr 13 22:30:26 ad1. bt gps Apr 13 22:30:27 i dont need gps Apr 13 22:30:54 is the onscreen keyboard pretty good? .. ive never even seen any of these devices in person Apr 13 22:31:00 lirakis: i have the n800 and like kot says: both "missing" things on the n800 can be bundled up with bluetooth devices. Apr 13 22:31:02 (except the dummy store models) Apr 13 22:31:19 .. i wish i could demo one Apr 13 22:31:35 lirakis: try nokia's website Apr 13 22:31:39 it has flash demo Apr 13 22:31:41 i believe Apr 13 22:31:48 i meant .. touchy feely demo Apr 13 22:31:55 hey people: do you have any internet radio you would like me to add to the Mojocafe Radio? Apr 13 22:32:02 .. like try out the keyboard etc. to see if its some thing i would actually need Apr 13 22:32:04 lirakis: any big shops around? Apr 13 22:32:18 or some online sellers with 30-day money back? Apr 13 22:32:19 :) Apr 13 22:32:27 Does anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc? Apr 13 22:32:44 Deformative: vmware on intelmac Apr 13 22:33:09 lirakis: the onscreen keyboard is usable quite fast but it's quite easy to make typos with it and it puts large dents in your typing speed to fix them. Apr 13 22:33:43 hmm .. okay.. so vs the 810 click kb ? Apr 13 22:34:03 i mean ... i assume it would be similarly easy to mess up on that... Apr 13 22:34:16 i have a blackberry 8700 now.. and i can flub on that Apr 13 22:34:27 KotCzarny: ? Apr 13 22:34:43 lirakis: does the 8700 play flash files? Apr 13 22:35:21 cyberholic: .. no i dont think so.. but i dont care about that really Apr 13 22:35:39 cyberholic: i think its funny people are all about wanting to be able to watch youtube on these things Apr 13 22:36:10 lirakis: no. not youtube. i am asking because of porting my project to more devices: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4254502208055432294 Apr 13 22:37:15 great, a flash video :/ Apr 13 22:37:41 *gg* Apr 13 22:41:31 cyberholic: a cool Apr 13 22:41:49 cyberholic: whats your project called? .. mojocafe?? Apr 13 22:41:56 yeah. mojocafe.net Apr 13 22:42:02 nice Apr 13 22:42:05 looks slick Apr 13 22:42:15 thnx. I want to port that to other devices too. Apr 13 22:42:29 Thats why i asked about the 8700 Apr 13 22:44:11 cyberholic: i think there is some support with commercial apps Apr 13 22:44:42 lirakis: the problem is that i want to keep it free, so i think that the commercial apps would not like that :) Apr 13 22:45:11 yeah.. i think the 8700 is out of the picture Apr 13 22:56:07 lirakis, I often wish I had an N810 instead of an N800 to avoid the horrible onscreen keyboard. Apr 13 22:56:21 and the extra effective screen real estate you will get by not covering up a browser window with the keyboard. Apr 13 22:56:47 fysa: yeah .. it def. seems like it can go both ways. Apr 13 22:57:18 i mean .. i can afford a 810 .. but i dont want to spend $350 on a gadget if i can spend 200 Apr 13 22:57:40 b/c im worried about this being just a gadget that isnt really all that usefull Apr 13 22:58:14 yeah, that's what I thought also. but now it turns out that the device really is useful, but I am increasingly frustrated at how much more useful it could be with improved input. Apr 13 22:58:17 i.e., writing a note on the go. Apr 13 22:58:23 right Apr 13 22:58:33 lirakis, trust your technolust Apr 13 22:58:37 i mean.. having to go from .. app to keyboard.. to app.. etc. would be really annoying Apr 13 22:58:43 ignore usefullness Apr 13 22:59:33 lol Apr 13 22:59:48 i've just ignored all my common sense and ordered one, when it arrives ill tell you if i regret it Apr 13 23:00:13 i have an eee pc .. and i love it.. i put ubuntu on it and it is great... but im looking at a n series b/c it is more portable.. i mean .. i cant carry the eee in a pocket Apr 13 23:00:45 .. but i cant actually do "work" on an n series .. like write full on documents etc. Apr 13 23:00:48 (i dont think) Apr 13 23:01:06 i think you can Apr 13 23:01:16 yeah.. i think the 810 could be Apr 13 23:01:27 and if all else there is the online google word Apr 13 23:01:30 but .. i think the 800 would be tough .. sans keyboard Apr 13 23:12:18 what kind of battery life do the 810's get? Apr 13 23:15:04 it really depends on what you're doing Apr 13 23:15:41 understood .. but for web browsing.. any estimate Apr 13 23:15:49 is it 2 hours? or is it 10 hours? Apr 13 23:15:55 for constant web browsing maybe 4 hours or so Apr 13 23:16:16 it depends on if you're watching flash constantly or reading a static page Apr 13 23:16:47 righyt Apr 13 23:16:51 *-y Apr 13 23:17:03 using just fbreader I get a *long* time Apr 13 23:17:12 same here :) Apr 13 23:17:19 I'm not sure how long, but ... I don't charge often Apr 13 23:17:33 one of the most important things going into the tablets is to have the right expectations Apr 13 23:18:28 yeah .. i am trying to feel out what it is i can expect before spending a couple of hundred dollars Apr 13 23:18:44 id rather not have a sour taste for them .. or a $300 paperweight Apr 13 23:19:10 too many people buy one, and then completely freak out when it doesn't mow their lawn or bring them a cold beer Apr 13 23:19:24 nah Apr 13 23:19:40 like i said.. i have an eee pc .. and it fills a great niche for me Apr 13 23:19:46 but i am really into voip Apr 13 23:19:51 and i run my own servers etc Apr 13 23:20:02 so id like some thing i can bring with me from home to office etc Apr 13 23:20:04 :) Apr 13 23:20:06 and have a sip phone on there Apr 13 23:20:14 ah, I actually just got off a call on skype, on mine. :) Apr 13 23:20:14 think of it as pocketable computer Apr 13 23:20:22 so connectivity is a big thing to me Apr 13 23:20:38 but .. i dont know if i have the patients for the wimax ed. Apr 13 23:20:50 'patience' ? Apr 13 23:20:51 and i dont know that any wimax providers will actually be around either Apr 13 23:20:53 err Apr 13 23:20:54 i see the nit as a great game. a puzzle. it needs time spending on it to make it perfect, but when you find the right stuff its amazing Apr 13 23:20:54 ah, do you know if you'll be in a wimax coverage area? Apr 13 23:21:08 yeah .. sorry patience Apr 13 23:21:22 evening folks Apr 13 23:21:25 KotCzarny is the resident grammar/spelling vigilante :) Apr 13 23:21:28 hi lcuk Apr 13 23:21:31 evening lcuk :) Apr 13 23:21:36 johnx: dont know .. ive looked at the sprint site.. i live in manhattan so .. it will either be right away .. or never Apr 13 23:21:44 heh Apr 13 23:21:46 and probably never b/c verizon owns EVERYTHING here Apr 13 23:21:46 johnx: it's either that o me doing errors ;) Apr 13 23:21:50 *or Apr 13 23:21:54 :P Apr 13 23:22:10 ... at any rate Apr 13 23:22:13 KotCzarny, making errors :) Apr 13 23:22:20 kot, pressure works as you expect now, and a few more things besides Apr 13 23:22:27 lirakis: you shouldn't worry, there's always craigslist if you don't like it Apr 13 23:22:35 lcuk: hoorrray Apr 13 23:22:51 .. if a n810 can be as functional for browsing.. document editing as my eee pc ... and give me the portability, and immediate access that the eee doesnt .. id be thrilled Apr 13 23:22:57 does anyone know how i do an inverted line type thing in c. i want to invert draw some bytes Apr 13 23:23:11 anyways, my take on my n800. It's great for web surfing, and ebook reading and *light* email (with modest) Apr 13 23:23:16 inverted line? Apr 13 23:23:19 lcuk: are you talking about a bitwise or Apr 13 23:23:21 ? Apr 13 23:23:41 yer - reversable drawing so i can draw it once and it shows up, draw the same thing again it goes away and puts back the original bits Apr 13 23:23:45 yes Apr 13 23:23:54 undo bitmap Apr 13 23:23:55 :) Apr 13 23:24:02 i have a prs-500 for ebooks .. it is SICK .. i got it for $50 with the sony rewards deal Apr 13 23:24:04 very ugly and not required Apr 13 23:24:07 best $50 i ever spent Apr 13 23:24:26 lirakis: drm is sick. Apr 13 23:24:29 no backlight, huh? Apr 13 23:24:47 KotCzarny: i dont use the sony connect software.. so .. i dont use any drm books Apr 13 23:24:56 KotCzarny: its all plaintext for me :D Apr 13 23:25:01 heh Apr 13 23:25:08 i tried but its not having the effect. buffer[ pos ] ^= 1; i thought this was how you did it but its not.. Apr 13 23:25:23 * lcuk likes lirakis already Apr 13 23:25:30 lcuk: hum? Apr 13 23:25:54 is strange as it sounds I actually prefer reading on a backlit screen, and the N800 is just about as high resolution as a traditional LCD gets Apr 13 23:26:02 plaintextaholic :) and the line draw is whats buggin me Apr 13 23:26:02 resolution in terms of DPI... Apr 13 23:26:15 johnx: n8x0 is 225dpi.. Apr 13 23:26:23 laptops are ~100dpi Apr 13 23:26:24 :) Apr 13 23:26:28 fonts now have correct widths, no more align by 4 nonesense Apr 13 23:26:46 KotCzarny, I know. That was my point... Apr 13 23:26:59 johnx: i missed the point then.. :) Apr 13 23:27:20 that the N800 is nice to read on, because of its high DPI screen Apr 13 23:27:37 a few inches more would be nice.. Apr 13 23:27:42 i'm not complaining though Apr 13 23:27:42 :) Apr 13 23:27:54 I prefer it to be pocketable Apr 13 23:28:04 if it's not, then it's pretty useless to me Apr 13 23:28:07 yes Apr 13 23:28:14 but there's still some space inside Apr 13 23:28:19 at currenct form factor ;) Apr 13 23:28:25 *current Apr 13 23:28:51 i hate nyc sales tax Apr 13 23:28:59 johnx, yeah, good stuff Apr 13 23:29:02 hehe Apr 13 23:29:10 I read all my email and rss feeds from it Apr 13 23:29:11 8.375% ugh Apr 13 23:29:18 lirakis: wanna buy me it for you? Apr 13 23:29:20 lirakis, act soon. They're trying to apply it to online sales too, IIRC... Apr 13 23:29:22 if it's online Apr 13 23:29:22 :) Apr 13 23:29:36 johnx: yeah i know ... the "amazon tax" Apr 13 23:29:40 bastards Apr 13 23:33:12 lirakis, so the other question is, how do you feel about using the command line? Apr 13 23:33:44 everyone knows that the command line is like a big drill Apr 13 23:33:57 how so? Apr 13 23:33:59 a whole hog to be more exact Apr 13 23:34:03 er, hole hog Apr 13 23:34:08 for me it's essential Apr 13 23:34:12 scripting etc Apr 13 23:34:30 you cannot easily automate tasks with guis Apr 13 23:34:35 no one has read "In the beginning was the command line" I guess Apr 13 23:34:56 I might have read part Apr 13 23:35:03 Neal Stephenson, yes? Apr 13 23:35:06 THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Apr 13 23:35:10 O_o Apr 13 23:35:11 heh Apr 13 23:35:36 yeah, stephenson Apr 13 23:35:52 http://books.google.com/books?id=OmnF5MGRNn8C&dq=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&pg=PP1&ots=XTM9KG3vIF&sig=vnWlaff2plLzgbMiyxhhxk1YCkM&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=bRW&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=in+the+beginning+was+the+command+line&spell=1&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail Apr 13 23:36:04 fail. Apr 13 23:36:08 http://tinyurl.com/3lrub4 Apr 13 23:36:15 :P Apr 13 23:42:58 * johnx reads... Apr 13 23:45:14 Dont mean to spam, but i have a $200 gift card to dell that I will sell for a bit less if somone here is looking to make a purchase. Otherwise, ill just put it on ebay Apr 13 23:46:05 a bit less of what Apr 13 23:46:41 I dunno 190 for the 200 gift card? Apr 13 23:46:57 lol Apr 13 23:47:10 if it was gift card for nokia.. then maybe Apr 13 23:47:11 :) Apr 13 23:47:11 and for just $20 he will ship the card to you! Apr 13 23:47:28 I've been in that position Apr 13 23:47:36 gift card I'll never use Apr 13 23:47:39 I've been in that positron Apr 13 23:47:45 Nah, ill give it to you over the phone or whatever Apr 13 23:47:54 I was joking :P Apr 13 23:48:08 you've never been in a positron Apr 13 23:48:21 how can you tell? Apr 13 23:48:22 ;) Apr 13 23:48:34 have too Apr 13 23:48:35 Like i said... No biggy, but thought i would offer it here first Apr 13 23:48:42 then what color is it Apr 13 23:48:45 it's very, cramped Apr 13 23:49:06 color, heh, what color is a single photon? Apr 13 23:49:15 muave Apr 13 23:49:18 heh Apr 13 23:49:28 beige Apr 13 23:49:28 OMG you HAVE been there, johnx Apr 13 23:49:34 beige is just silly Apr 13 23:49:41 some people aren't ready for the truth :) I provide alternatives... Apr 13 23:49:47 life is just silly Apr 13 23:50:12 kk, if we're going to start being surreal I need a beer Apr 13 23:50:53 yeah, i'm dry too Apr 13 23:50:56 tea time Apr 13 23:51:05 I just made some chocolate milk... Apr 13 23:51:13 ooh, even better Apr 13 23:51:38 beers open though :( maybe I'll just put the syrup in the beer Apr 13 23:52:01 ... Apr 13 23:52:07 let us know how that goes Apr 13 23:52:22 Pancake beer Apr 13 23:52:23 Hmmm Apr 13 23:52:26 chocolate suryp Apr 13 23:52:34 *syrup Apr 13 23:52:44 Ya... But it got me thinking Apr 13 23:52:53 Dangerous thing Apr 14 00:00:08 is there an official date for diablo release? Apr 14 00:00:25 "2Q 2008" :) Apr 14 00:00:45 that's quicker than i'd expected Apr 14 00:00:57 well, it might get delayed Apr 14 00:01:11 I doubt even Nokia knows for sure Apr 14 00:01:41 How many of you are beta testers? Apr 14 00:01:50 I'm looking for a list of default processes that are started from boot on a N800 OS2008. Anybody know or have a list of them? I'm trying to find which proccesses have to boot in order for the Tablet to run. Apr 14 00:03:14 I noticed that I have two of the same process running. Apr 14 00:03:20 Not sure why. Apr 14 00:03:35 Does anyone know if scratchbox works from powerpc? Apr 14 00:03:44 skibur, they're probably supposed to be doing that Apr 14 00:04:06 probably Apr 14 00:04:26 Ziegler, I don't think Nokia will release a beta of Diablo to anyone outside Nokia... Apr 14 00:04:31 like i.e. temp-reaper Apr 14 00:04:42 Deformative, I believe it won't, IIRC. Apr 14 00:04:52 that is a bible app that run from boot? I don't even use it on boot Apr 14 00:05:09 a bible app? Apr 14 00:05:15 what is the process name? Apr 14 00:05:22 temp-reaper Apr 14 00:05:26 Oh, i was under the impression that some of you were on the private beta team Apr 14 00:05:30 my n810 would burst into flame with the stuff I've looked at Apr 14 00:05:36 alot are in etc/rc2.d Apr 14 00:05:51 temp-reaper sounds like the thing that cleans /tmp, but I could be wrong... Apr 14 00:06:09 Ziegler, Not many of us here work for Nokia... Apr 14 00:06:21 Rapier is the bible program Apr 14 00:06:23 johnx: :( Why? Apr 14 00:06:24 You could poke at Texrat on ITT forums, if you like cryptic responses though :) Apr 14 00:06:31 * KotCzarny hums ~don't fear the reaper~ Apr 14 00:06:32 some of us dont work at all Apr 14 00:07:39 * Ziegler attempts to play crayon physics over remote desktop Apr 14 00:07:42 Deformative, probably because qemu isn't up to the same level on PPC as on x86 Apr 14 00:07:56 :( Apr 14 00:08:03 I do not have an x86 with debian. Apr 14 00:08:18 You can run it on vmware on your x86 machine Apr 14 00:08:21 Ziegler, you've heard of tomiphy and numptyphysics, right? Apr 14 00:08:40 No... Link?! Apr 14 00:08:43 That would be a pain. Apr 14 00:09:00 Deformative, sorry, not a lot of other options :/ Apr 14 00:09:17 isn't there a vmware repo for debian? Apr 14 00:09:21 dont go there ziegler the rest of your life will be waisted Apr 14 00:09:23 I know there is for *buntu Apr 14 00:09:33 Muhahah... Apr 14 00:09:52 Ziegler, I don't have the URLs handy, but google won't lie to you I think :) Apr 14 00:10:18 Reading through itt forum as i type Apr 14 00:16:10 johnx: dude.. i live on the command line Apr 14 00:16:22 johnx: (sorry just got back from dinner) Apr 14 00:16:49 is there a terminal thingy for bluetooth Apr 14 00:17:37 johnx: .. i know how to setup a cross compile toolchain.. etc. so im plenty happy (usually more) working from a terminal Apr 14 00:19:37 lirakis, you'll be happy with a tablet then :) Apr 14 00:20:06 johnx: how long (and which) have you had? Apr 14 00:20:16 almost exactly a year Apr 14 00:20:38 johnx: im pretty well convinced ill be happy.. and that i should get a 810 ... Apr 14 00:21:07 the 810 has abeautiful screen Apr 14 00:21:08 yeah, I kinda wish I had the keyboard... Apr 14 00:21:40 it's not that the onscreen thumboard is that bad. It's actually quite good...but it covers the screen when you're trying to use the terminal Apr 14 00:26:35 Hey everyone! Apr 14 00:29:12 Had both the 800 and the 810, 810 is better for me Apr 14 00:34:48 evening Apr 14 00:36:35 kow Apr 14 00:36:37 kot even Apr 14 00:37:05 hmm? Apr 14 00:37:35 you know where :) if you twiddle dont break the flow from how it runs at the moment, im in the middle of ideas Apr 14 00:38:03 see if you can tell whats changed.. Apr 14 00:39:36 Model 500 - The Flow Apr 14 00:40:10 I'm confused Apr 14 00:40:22 that's ok :) Apr 14 00:40:26 http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR7sqN5qvKM KotCzarny, classic from 1995 Apr 14 00:41:53 too bad the poster didn't know how to make a high bitrate stereo youtube Apr 14 00:47:37 How would a program like dosbox run on th n800? Apr 14 00:48:13 with minimal porting Apr 14 00:48:19 and an onscreen keyboard Apr 14 00:48:22 oh Apr 14 00:48:24 you mean how fast Apr 14 00:48:38 well, for games that only required like a 10 mhz cpu or so, I think they would run OK Apr 14 00:48:54 But the emulation is the hard part isn't it? Apr 14 00:49:00 Doesn't it way down the cpu? Apr 14 00:49:00 It's already ported. Apr 14 00:49:02 weigh* Apr 14 00:49:10 dosbox is? I didn't see it on maemo :o Apr 14 00:49:19 it's about as hard to emulate it on your x86 windows/linux desktop Apr 14 00:49:32 Hm Apr 14 00:49:32 only the CPU is faster in it (probably) Apr 14 00:49:40 There's a little secret for finding anything and everything maemo related. Go to google and type: maemo Apr 14 00:49:46 bu 7 Apr 14 00:49:50 lol Apr 14 00:49:53 Hmmmm Apr 14 00:50:01 either way it will run at like 10% of the system's CPU speed Apr 14 00:50:11 or less Apr 14 00:50:12 :) Apr 14 00:50:16 yes, or less Apr 14 00:50:22 win95 boots in 30min Apr 14 00:50:22 ;) Apr 14 00:50:29 lol Apr 14 00:50:37 you seriously have win95 on dosbox? Apr 14 00:50:40 just about as fast as the original OS booted on intel hardware, then! ;) Apr 14 00:50:46 not me Apr 14 00:50:52 but i have read about it somewhere Apr 14 00:50:56 oh, yeah Apr 14 00:51:05 could be a fake, but i would believe it Apr 14 00:51:05 :) Apr 14 00:51:22 from what I've heard, the best you can do is window 3.x or so Apr 14 00:51:25 besides Apr 14 00:51:27 there is qemu Apr 14 00:51:37 if somebody were to port it to maemo at least Apr 14 00:51:55 it runs every dos/windows upto server 2003 Apr 14 00:52:02 lol asterisk runs on maemo Apr 14 00:52:03 I don't believe qemu runs on arm Apr 14 00:52:07 .. a portable pbx Apr 14 00:52:10 I can't wait to get my 800 :( Apr 14 00:52:12 I'm pretty sure Windows95 runs on dosbox though... Apr 14 00:52:42 http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html Apr 14 00:52:48 ARM: testing Apr 14 00:53:33 hmm Apr 14 00:53:38 might be worth a try Apr 14 00:54:26 I just can't think of anything that's x86 only that I want on my n800... Apr 14 00:54:41 johnx: you know how to program well enough to port full linux apps to maemo? Apr 14 00:54:48 nope Apr 14 00:54:52 Anyone know a really cheap place to pick up the 16gb or 32gb sdhc? Apr 14 00:55:00 in the US? Apr 14 00:55:02 newegg? google? Apr 14 00:55:07 US. Apr 14 00:55:11 Newegg had meh prices Apr 14 00:55:12 I would suggest newegg Apr 14 00:55:18 just make sure you get a fast card Apr 14 00:55:26 I found 16gb's as cheap as 30 bucks Apr 14 00:55:31 With...255x? Apr 14 00:55:33 266x? Apr 14 00:55:33 I forget. Apr 14 00:55:44 well Apr 14 00:55:45 newegg is the best. Apr 14 00:55:47 Period. Apr 14 00:55:47 once you go into SDHC Apr 14 00:55:52 PERIOD, lol. Apr 14 00:55:53 they have a new speed convention Apr 14 00:55:57 lol, I agree Apr 14 00:56:00 lol Apr 14 00:56:26 jewegg :P Apr 14 00:56:26 I am gonna go register, neweggisthebestPERIOD.com Apr 14 00:56:53 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245 Apr 14 00:57:14 they'll probably sue you for trademark infringement Apr 14 00:57:15 Lemme check that out... Apr 14 00:57:21 I'd sue me too. Apr 14 00:57:39 "fast 16MB/s reads and Quick 9MB/s writes. " Apr 14 00:58:32 we've got a thread up on ITT for people to post speed benchmarks for their mini/micro SD cards Apr 14 00:58:57 I wanna get at least 32gb on this beast. Apr 14 01:00:04 What does the Class stand for in SDHC? Apr 14 01:00:08 Is that the speed convention?> Apr 14 01:00:19 Cons: I used it on my Asus EEE PC 701. I installed XP on this SDHC card and it ran perfectly, but only for 29 DAYS. It then completely died and I could not read or write to the card. Apr 14 01:00:20 eheheh Apr 14 01:00:28 I saw that Kot. Apr 14 01:00:38 xp on flash memory is evil Apr 14 01:00:49 gah Apr 14 01:01:07 or you had a bad card Apr 14 01:01:12 When did SSD get cheap? Apr 14 01:01:12 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208317 Apr 14 01:01:23 read comments Apr 14 01:01:24 ;) Apr 14 01:01:27 why is newegg.com so slow? Apr 14 01:01:28 XP makes a lot of writes to the fs and you have no control over it Apr 14 01:01:44 UserID10T, it depends on the quality Apr 14 01:01:51 wow Apr 14 01:01:58 Yeah again read and write speeds suffer. Apr 14 01:02:00 this one particular model seems to have some speed issues Apr 14 01:02:02 the curse of monkey island on ScummVM is very impressive Apr 14 01:02:37 scummvm is one of the best ports Apr 14 01:02:40 Is it open to the public? Apr 14 01:02:48 Monkey islan? Apr 14 01:02:51 no Apr 14 01:02:55 it's commercial Apr 14 01:03:03 no but there are some free games that play in scumvm Apr 14 01:03:06 I LOVE ScummVM so far. Apr 14 01:03:08 BASS and some jungle adventure Apr 14 01:03:11 I used to have it when i was younger... Long gone now Apr 14 01:03:12 I bought the curse of monkey island back in 1997 Apr 14 01:03:15 For the PC I wasn't finding any games Apr 14 01:03:24 it is probably the most advanced ScummVM game there is Apr 14 01:03:24 I had all the monkeys up to 3. Apr 14 01:03:25 Loved 3. Apr 14 01:03:29 being at 640x480 Apr 14 01:03:29 and LoK Apr 14 01:03:35 and with full motion video Apr 14 01:03:41 LoK was like that too Apr 14 01:03:45 oh, cool Apr 14 01:03:46 ah 'Flight of the Amazon Queen' Apr 14 01:03:51 I played bass all the way through.. It wasnt bad Apr 14 01:03:56 yup Apr 14 01:03:59 I received a copy of monkey island (1) on a PCGamer disc Apr 14 01:04:00 Bass I'd never heard of. Apr 14 01:04:05 Still have not played that Apr 14 01:04:13 beneath a steel sky Apr 14 01:04:15 "Beneath a Steel Sky" Apr 14 01:04:15 Beneath a steel sky Apr 14 01:04:16 Flight of the Amazon Queen and Beneath a Steal Sky are the free scummVM games Apr 14 01:04:17 nice adventure Apr 14 01:04:18 haha Apr 14 01:04:20 That was an ok game. Apr 14 01:04:23 you typically find them in linux distros Apr 14 01:04:27 It was really complex at some points. Apr 14 01:04:31 There was one more free one Apr 14 01:04:32 *included with linux distros Apr 14 01:04:41 Full Throttle? Apr 14 01:04:42 Lure... Apr 14 01:04:46 Loom? Apr 14 01:04:49 of the Temptress? Apr 14 01:04:53 "ask me about loom" Apr 14 01:04:54 Yaaa.. Apr 14 01:04:59 Asks Apr 14 01:05:11 I heard there was a loom enhanced version out there Apr 14 01:05:15 Like a VGA remake? Apr 14 01:05:19 that was what a guy in the Scumm Bar in monkey island 1 said Apr 14 01:05:29 it was a shameless promotion Apr 14 01:05:33 but made satirical Apr 14 01:05:39 I remember the Loom reference! Apr 14 01:05:40 Ya Apr 14 01:05:49 You know he references to the new loom game they never made. Apr 14 01:06:01 They had a name already...there's a wiki on it. Apr 14 01:06:09 doesnt he say it has all this crazy technology? Apr 14 01:06:18 Hey who recomended numpty? Apr 14 01:06:19 Yeah something like that. Apr 14 01:06:20 lol Apr 14 01:06:29 This is fun Apr 14 01:06:31 I still have yet to install numpty physics Apr 14 01:06:41 it's fun Apr 14 01:06:44 go install it now :) Apr 14 01:06:51 Fullfills my desire to play crayon physics Apr 14 01:06:55 needs more levels and better difficulty ramp Apr 14 01:07:05 I found a few packs... Apr 14 01:07:07 So many games Apr 14 01:07:19 Many I hadn't heard of either which was surprising. Apr 14 01:07:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loom_%28computer_game%29 Apr 14 01:07:43 Http://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 Apr 14 01:07:54 The Sequels section Apr 14 01:08:00 http://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=638 Apr 14 01:09:01 http://aivokyyti.net/maemo/ Apr 14 01:09:19 numpty is fun, but a bit frustrating Apr 14 01:09:57 pinning objects and creating a rotating axis seem more natural in the crayon physics videos Apr 14 01:10:11 I have 0.1 or whatever, maybe svn is different Apr 14 01:10:42 anyone have a known place with great price on an n810 .. the cheapest ive found is in NYC for 369.99 but ill get slammed with 8.3% tax which bumps it to $400 Apr 14 01:11:00 /bu 6 Apr 14 01:11:02 ffs Apr 14 01:11:06 Ebay Apr 14 01:11:25 Ebay is where I got my new 800 for 150 Apr 14 01:11:36 Got mine for ~$300 Apr 14 01:11:42 N810 Apr 14 01:11:43 I've seen the 810s for 300ish Apr 14 01:11:43 Ziegler: .. i dont see anything really less than 360 on ebay Apr 14 01:11:47 really? Apr 14 01:11:48 dang Apr 14 01:12:08 nib ? Apr 14 01:12:28 or .. "like" nib Apr 14 01:12:28 Slightly used... But i missed three that were nib for less than 325 Apr 14 01:12:28 I dunno about new Apr 14 01:12:32 I'm looking Apr 14 01:12:39 Mine was 1 week used Apr 14 01:12:53 "Mint" Apr 14 01:13:05 I found one at 355 already Apr 14 01:13:09 and didn't even sort yet. Apr 14 01:13:10 lol Apr 14 01:13:50 Trying to get an 8gb card now... My dumb but missed 3 that went for less than $10 Apr 14 01:13:51 yeah.. 355 is the lowest .. but .. that will go up Apr 14 01:14:24 heh...I snagged my n800 from a compusa as a demo/floor model with no stylus a year ago Apr 14 01:14:32 http://cgi.ebay.com/Great-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-w-free-shipping_W0QQitemZ190214616642QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Apr 14 01:14:38 Here's one he had for a few days Apr 14 01:14:42 Now i cant find one for less than $50 which is still a good price for 8gb Apr 14 01:14:44 Didn't use the software he wanted. Apr 14 01:14:51 oooo Apr 14 01:15:30 I have found 16gb for 70 with 155x. Apr 14 01:15:36 obviously a bright guy .. does lots of reasearch before he spends $400 Apr 14 01:15:37 heh...people need to do a little research every so often... Apr 14 01:15:44 lol Apr 14 01:16:09 Actually that's how I found the n800. I had bought an upgraded phone and it blows. Apr 14 01:16:09 If anyone wants to purchase a nit from dell, 8 have a gift card lol Apr 14 01:16:11 lirakis, have you see the itt forums? Lots of good info and lots of people who didn't RTFM before they bought... Apr 14 01:16:29 I joke... Dell wants to much for the nits Apr 14 01:17:07 ... do they make the n810 in 2 different finishes? .. or does it just change a little when you tilt it b/c its a brushed face? Apr 14 01:17:17 b/c some look silvery .. and some look gunmetal Apr 14 01:17:36 The gunmetal is WiMAX Apr 14 01:17:39 Dont know if I can get 16gb for the n810 Apr 14 01:17:45 Not yet. Apr 14 01:17:53 GeneralAntilles: .. nah i mean .. of the wifi version Apr 14 01:18:08 No, there's only one color of the regular N810. Apr 14 01:18:13 ok Apr 14 01:18:41 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LOOM_advert_in_Monkey_Island.png Apr 14 01:18:52 Yay mike! Apr 14 01:19:10 any one here bluetooth tether it with a bb 8700 ? .. i read some forums where people figured out how to do it well.. just wanted to know if any one had first hand exp. with that Apr 14 01:19:14 now we need a screenshot of that under hildon Apr 14 01:19:19 *it=n810 Apr 14 01:19:50 Try ScummVM, mikedep333? Apr 14 01:20:56 Hehe that how we got here Apr 14 01:21:10 ga sux Apr 14 01:21:26 GeneralAntilles: yeah, I was running MI 2 and 3 under it Apr 14 01:21:39 Navi iz phail! Apr 14 01:21:44 I would go and take that screenshot but I played MI 1 recently Apr 14 01:21:57 I miss Codename Iceman Apr 14 01:23:07 Oh wow...I have it... Apr 14 01:23:30 does supertux work for anybody on OS2008? Apr 14 01:23:34 nub Apr 14 01:25:31 so, that youtube model 500 video, other than having an uber techno beat, was rather uninformative Apr 14 01:26:29 Ya Apr 14 01:27:25 maybe it's a magic eye Apr 14 01:27:42 Link? Apr 14 01:27:56 http://youtube.com/watch?v=LR7sqN5qvKM Apr 14 01:28:10 Danke Apr 14 01:28:28 de nada Apr 14 01:29:08 Any of u scummers get lott to work? Apr 14 01:29:20 Lure of the temptress Apr 14 01:29:29 not me, cant even get my wifi-browser to find networks. Apr 14 01:29:37 I am downloading it now. Apr 14 01:29:37 kismet finds plenty though. Apr 14 01:29:46 Hehe Apr 14 01:29:56 Kismet might be your problem Apr 14 01:29:59 Reboot Apr 14 01:30:06 kismet came after the network problem Apr 14 01:30:09 I have to on ocassion Apr 14 01:30:12 Oh ok Apr 14 01:30:24 what I've found on internet tablet talk is that its probably an 802.11n node in the neighborhood Apr 14 01:30:43 or too many APs within range Apr 14 01:31:20 of course, there's no real workaround, so I have two 770s that are useless for wifi Apr 14 01:31:31 * fireun is upset about it Apr 14 01:31:34 really? 2? Apr 14 01:31:40 Does anyone here tether their tablet with a Helio device? Apr 14 01:31:47 johnx: both went out same day Apr 14 01:31:55 the only explanation that fits is that its external Apr 14 01:32:02 not even running the same OS versions Apr 14 01:32:12 and other things can still see you ap? Apr 14 01:32:24 sure, two other laptops in the house Apr 14 01:32:42 johnx: correction, neither 770 can see ANY networks Apr 14 01:32:50 Fireun.... U gps with kismet? Apr 14 01:32:54 unless I run kismet on one, then everything shows up Apr 14 01:32:54 even in remote places? Apr 14 01:33:01 Ziegler: no GPS in use at moment Apr 14 01:33:05 or just at home? Apr 14 01:33:14 johnx: so far, just at home Apr 14 01:33:19 and how many networks are you seeing? Apr 14 01:33:32 I've seen 30+ on my N800 at once Apr 14 01:33:40 Ah... If you do... I have a php script to turn the xml logs to a gpx file that works in mapper Apr 14 01:33:51 I saw 36 in Portland, OR Apr 14 01:33:55 came home one day from the cafe (where the 770 was working) and bingo, no available network, and if it DID happen to see networks, attempting to connect to mine gives a network error, then no browsable Apr 14 01:34:01 johnx: yeah, countless Apr 14 01:34:03 I assume that the threshold for being completely overwhelmed by noise is pretty high... Apr 14 01:34:22 that's crazy Apr 14 01:34:25 johnx: if kismet sees networks, so should the wifi browser Apr 14 01:34:34 you'd think that... Apr 14 01:34:51 like I said, fairly upsetting. Apr 14 01:34:57 have you tried installing wirelesstools and using iwlist/iwconfig Apr 14 01:34:59 ? Apr 14 01:35:12 couldnt find the apropriate package versions, everything says "cant install Apr 14 01:35:23 and I've got the latest standard release on the one I'm trying Apr 14 01:35:27 Flash os? Apr 14 01:35:27 HE on the other I think Apr 14 01:36:24 johnx: no, havnt been successful at installing packages, everything wants to install over the network, and without network.... well Apr 14 01:36:40 yeah :/ Apr 14 01:36:43 Flash the os Apr 14 01:36:52 Or... Dowload debs over usb Apr 14 01:36:55 johnx: I just cant find the right packages, in fact, I think I have a non-compat version of ncurses, because this last flash update has no backspace in the xterm Apr 14 01:36:58 Ziegler, he's trying two different 770s with different OS versions... Apr 14 01:36:59 Downloas Apr 14 01:37:09 Oh missed that Apr 14 01:37:16 Sorry Apr 14 01:37:19 Ziegler: again, version compatiblity issues, cant seem to find the right combo Apr 14 01:37:46 Ah Apr 14 01:37:47 you know about gronmayer.com/it right? Apr 14 01:38:02 johnx: guess not Apr 14 01:38:03 :-) Apr 14 01:38:16 has lists of available software and where to get it. Apr 14 01:38:18 Has a nice search bar Apr 14 01:38:25 I'll try Apr 14 01:38:31 also, you should get usbnet setup for easier installing Apr 14 01:38:32 By os version Apr 14 01:38:38 tracking down deps by hand is no fun :) Apr 14 01:39:04 the maemo stuff has gotten kinda disorganized Apr 14 01:39:17 and now that the 800/810 is out, no one is still focused on the 770 Apr 14 01:39:44 i think fanoush is Apr 14 01:39:45 :) Apr 14 01:39:46 Where is the love for 770!!!! Apr 14 01:39:49 well, Nokia kinda dropped the ball and didn't hand it off to anyone Apr 14 01:40:09 (ie, didn't release new official updates *and* didn't release the source others needed Apr 14 01:40:11 ) Apr 14 01:40:12 johnx: yeah, everything should be backported Apr 14 01:40:25 but instead, its still unstable and crashes Apr 14 01:40:32 or at least drivers Apr 14 01:40:33 :) Apr 14 01:40:51 how much did the 770 first cost? Apr 14 01:40:57 $400-$500 or so? Apr 14 01:41:04 $369 Apr 14 01:41:14 oh, not too bad Apr 14 01:41:27 +tax was like 400, but I picked up a second last year for like 140 Apr 14 01:41:39 Tax is fail. Apr 14 01:41:41 gotcha Apr 14 01:41:43 Buy it online. Apr 14 01:41:50 Goot one from woot for $130 Apr 14 01:41:57 which makes for like 270 average Apr 14 01:42:04 much more livable Apr 14 01:42:09 Mostly as second backup battery for my N800. :D Apr 14 01:42:12 how ironic Apr 14 01:42:21 woot is selling a competitor to our beloved device today Apr 14 01:42:22 http://www.woot.com/ Apr 14 01:42:40 woot always has UMPCs. Apr 14 01:42:47 oh Apr 14 01:42:51 overpriced and too big Apr 14 01:42:58 Too bad they always have terrible battery life and aren't pocketable. Apr 14 01:43:00 ok, running 4.2007.26-8 on the beat up 770 Apr 14 01:43:08 yeah Apr 14 01:43:12 but if you don't care it won't fit in your pocket Apr 14 01:43:15 go on :) Apr 14 01:43:19 especially with the spinning hard drive in it Apr 14 01:43:59 anybody here who would not vote for 2 micro-sd slots in a N900? Apr 14 01:44:18 anyone here whose vote matters? Apr 14 01:44:23 hmm Apr 14 01:44:29 i would like regular sd slot Apr 14 01:44:31 this one is supposed to have 4.5 hours of battery life Apr 14 01:44:32 over 2 micro-sd Apr 14 01:44:33 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834131007 Apr 14 01:44:38 cheaper and bigger Apr 14 01:44:43 sorry, pupnik. I didn't mean to be quite that snarky... Apr 14 01:44:53 pupnik: I would say one regular SD and one micro-sd would be a good trade-off Apr 14 01:45:01 it was kind of a dumb question Apr 14 01:45:19 yeah mikedep333 but in the N810 form factor regular SD is not possible Apr 14 01:45:47 pupnik, I wonder about the OMAP and controlling more than 2 card slots. Apr 14 01:45:51 I am hoping they release a non-keyboard and non-GPS 900 and a corresponding 910 Apr 14 01:45:57 I love dual slots, of course. But since Nokia seems to be aiming more and more at the mainstream I doubt that is the direction they're headed... Apr 14 01:46:04 I wish they'd just bundle a 2GB card with the maps on it, though. :\ Apr 14 01:46:11 yeah Apr 14 01:46:12 honestly Apr 14 01:46:17 Makes me sad, johnx. :( Apr 14 01:46:25 a 128MB card with my N800 is a joke Apr 14 01:46:32 Meh Apr 14 01:46:35 Bundled cards are a joke. Apr 14 01:46:39 meh. I just hope we'll see more devs with more mainstream popularity Apr 14 01:46:43 at least it's not a 16mb Apr 14 01:46:44 ;) Apr 14 01:46:47 yeah Apr 14 01:46:50 as with some cameras Apr 14 01:46:55 when my dad bought a palm m505 a long time ago Apr 14 01:47:00 I'm saying drop the soldered in card, add a second slot and bundle a 2gb Apr 14 01:47:06 it cam bundled with a 16MB SD card Apr 14 01:47:33 it came from the desert Apr 14 01:47:35 (classic) Apr 14 01:47:36 :) Apr 14 01:47:47 I bet they keep the integrated storage... Apr 14 01:48:03 Oh, they definitely will. Apr 14 01:48:09 I mean if it was me, I'd want a bigger device with enough extra space for a CF slot Apr 14 01:48:15 CF rox0rs :) Apr 14 01:48:20 It actually wouldn't be bad to file an enhancement bug on it. Apr 14 01:48:28 See the 770 hardcover bug for an example. Apr 14 01:48:38 Not gonna change anything on the hardware at this point, but it couldn't hurt. Apr 14 01:48:42 what did that result in again? Apr 14 01:48:48 johnx: how about: insert nand chip here Apr 14 01:48:49 ;) Apr 14 01:48:59 Nothing, as they dropped the hardcover design. Apr 14 01:49:09 ok.. i think im going to get an n810 tomorrow in person... im willing to pay the extra $40 .. for the "now" factor.. and to have a local store if some thing goes horribly wrong Apr 14 01:49:16 KotCzarny, but see, CF is so much more versatlie than just memory Apr 14 01:49:23 is it? Apr 14 01:49:26 Unless, of course, Soyuz was actually something. Apr 14 01:49:35 i hardly see any difference between sd and cf Apr 14 01:49:45 KotCzarny, it's PCMCIA in a small form factor :) Apr 14 01:49:49 CF would be such a ridiculous waste of space. Apr 14 01:49:57 meh Apr 14 01:50:02 MEH?! Apr 14 01:50:11 It's easy 4-8x SDs worth of card. :P Apr 14 01:50:13 johnx: still, pcmcia is SLOW Apr 14 01:50:22 unless you have 32bit cardbus adapter Apr 14 01:50:27 KotCzarny, not compared to what you'd plug into it Apr 14 01:50:30 otherwise it's 16bit and hogging the os Apr 14 01:50:38 Has anyone here used the bluetooth laser keyboard? Apr 14 01:50:53 Yes Apr 14 01:50:55 It sucks Apr 14 01:50:55 and believe me, because of the cost of 32bit pcmcia slot it won't see the light Apr 14 01:50:58 :) Apr 14 01:50:58 I figured. Apr 14 01:51:00 * Ziegler bidding on a 8gb sdhc card now Apr 14 01:51:01 Worse than anything you can possibly imagine. Apr 14 01:51:04 LMAO Apr 14 01:51:11 Nice. Apr 14 01:51:12 It'd be worth it for the kicks if it were $20 Apr 14 01:51:15 But that's about it. Apr 14 01:51:19 GeneralAntilles, hey, as long as we're dreaming here...I want my CF slot and I don't care how much bulk it adds Apr 14 01:51:33 johnx: buy pcmcia-usb adapter then Apr 14 01:51:34 ;) Apr 14 01:51:37 What would you recommend as a bluetooth wireless? Apr 14 01:51:43 Cf over usb? Apr 14 01:51:45 A more portable one. Apr 14 01:51:46 and use some grey tape Apr 14 01:51:46 :> Apr 14 01:52:19 Any of you have ethernet to usb working on an n810 Apr 14 01:52:20 ? Apr 14 01:52:21 though ripping innards of cf-usb reader and sticking them to the device would be better Apr 14 01:52:23 or I'll just keep using my zaurus when I need it... Apr 14 01:52:26 johnx, you're nuts. Apr 14 01:52:43 Pocketable > * Apr 14 01:52:49 Heh Apr 14 01:52:55 Those zaurus.. How do they compare to the nits? Apr 14 01:53:00 my Zaurus C1000 is pocketable :) Apr 14 01:53:05 Old and slow! Apr 14 01:53:08 * GeneralAntilles ducks. Apr 14 01:53:13 old, and slower, yes Apr 14 01:53:14 :-/ Apr 14 01:53:17 but the keyboard wins Apr 14 01:53:21 and like, twenty bucks Apr 14 01:53:24 buy one now! Apr 14 01:53:25 johnx: iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries libiw.so.29: cannot opey Apr 14 01:53:52 is there more to that fireun? Apr 14 01:54:19 johnx: on the HE 770 there is: cannot open shared object file: no such file o directory Apr 14 01:54:26 That thing is weird Apr 14 01:54:28 but the wireless-tools package installed Apr 14 01:54:38 Navi, which thing? Apr 14 01:54:38 johnx: on both devices Apr 14 01:54:50 Zaurus C1000 Apr 14 01:55:09 weird in what way? That it's essentially a dictionary running Linux? Apr 14 01:55:24 Yeah :P Apr 14 01:55:40 yeah, I should really install a dictionary on it again... Apr 14 01:55:58 fireun, sorry, no ideas here if it doesn't tell you which file is missing Apr 14 01:56:00 Heh Apr 14 01:56:20 boo iwconfig wlan0 txpower doesn't seem to work with n810 Apr 14 01:56:20 johnx: probably ld-linux.so.somethinmg Apr 14 01:56:21 ;) Apr 14 01:56:24 johnx: all screwball Apr 14 01:56:30 strace it Apr 14 01:56:47 ooh, guess what Apr 14 01:57:00 comix's temp folder was taking up 60MB of my internal flash Apr 14 01:57:01 chicken butt? Apr 14 01:57:10 yeah Navi, comix sucks like that Apr 14 01:57:12 I now have space to install apps again :P Apr 14 01:57:18 whats the best version to run on the 770? Apr 14 01:57:25 i appreciate every one's input here... thanks all! Apr 14 01:57:27 pupnik, meh, I hacked up the script Apr 14 01:57:33 still sucks Apr 14 01:57:47 Tries too generate thumbnails way too often Apr 14 01:57:57 running 4.2008.7-1 on the beat up 770 Apr 14 01:59:56 pupnik, I wanted to try to bulid comical, but it doesn't build against the newest wxwidgets Apr 14 02:00:18 and active development on it has halted Apr 14 02:00:40 Im using pidgin for irc.... Is irssi availible? Yes i amsearching... But i wondered if there were other recs. Apr 14 02:01:05 Navi, is there any way to seek in the .rar or .zip ? Apr 14 02:01:15 seek what? Apr 14 02:01:27 johnx: alright, fed up and frustrated again, will just have to revisit this problem later, see if anything works then. Apr 14 02:01:31 johnx: thanks for the ideas Apr 14 02:01:35 does comix decompress the whole archive at once? Apr 14 02:02:05 fireun, sure. sorry to hear that, though :/ Apr 14 02:02:20 yeah, having two devices crap out on wifi is no bueno Apr 14 02:02:26 pupnik, probably Apr 14 02:02:27 its the whole point Apr 14 02:02:32 damn nokia Apr 14 02:02:55 two expensive paperweights now. Apr 14 02:02:55 hmm Apr 14 02:03:03 if you will be selling them cheap.. Apr 14 02:03:04 ;) Apr 14 02:03:05 Ebay em Apr 14 02:03:25 nah, wait another 6 months and someone with more energy will have found the solution and posted it Apr 14 02:03:34 :) Apr 14 02:03:46 and I can still throw movies on the 2G card and take with me Apr 14 02:03:57 Not if wimax comes out ;-p Apr 14 02:04:03 I kinda doubt it at this point. If you get usbnet going and give me a shell, I'll try and fix it though :) Apr 14 02:04:07 so not exactly paperweight Apr 14 02:04:07 :) Apr 14 02:04:25 johnx: maybe tomorrow, my attention span has checked out for the day Apr 14 02:04:29 fireun, you can examine package dependencies and download everything manually. it's a PITA but it can work Apr 14 02:04:32 ok Apr 14 02:04:33 What devices do you all use for ethernet to usb Apr 14 02:04:38 fireun, I know the feeling :) Apr 14 02:04:51 johnx: yeah, and I'm no newbie either Apr 14 02:05:54 johnx: you dont want to know how many WRTs I have Apr 14 02:05:55 Ziegler, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Apr 14 02:06:05 Danke Apr 14 02:06:14 Forgot about xchat Apr 14 02:07:13 Gents.. Till next time... Imout Apr 14 02:07:38 http://www.yatow.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/150 mmmm nice wlan antenna Apr 14 02:08:27 110EUR ? Apr 14 02:08:29 o.o Apr 14 02:11:22 yeah and it's pretty conspicuous Apr 14 02:22:44 couse it all includes 19% sales tax Apr 14 02:22:53 hola hijos de puta Apr 14 02:23:32 my isn't maemo.org pretty today? Apr 14 02:23:33 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ Apr 14 02:23:49 I like the new look. Apr 14 02:23:59 Midguard is such garbage. Apr 14 02:24:28 it's part of their "get the code" campaign :D Apr 14 02:24:39 now you "have the code." yay! Apr 14 02:24:39 midguard is painful. Apr 14 02:41:35 hmm, I get a bunch of nasty PHP code in the righthand sidebar of maemo.org Apr 14 02:41:55 OMG, you hacked it! Apr 14 02:41:59 yeah, we all do. :) Apr 14 02:42:04 I DID, OH NOES Apr 14 02:42:13 I didn't mean to, don't call the cops on my Apr 14 02:42:15 !!! Apr 14 02:42:16 heh Apr 14 02:42:30 like I said, now you "Have the code!" yay! Apr 14 02:56:54 johnx: http://www.mozilla.org/banners/mozilla2_08.gif Apr 14 02:57:49 but on maemo.org they give you the code right on the page, which is way better. :D Apr 14 02:57:55 Haha Apr 14 02:57:57 http://www.mozilla.org/banners/ Apr 14 02:57:59 yes Apr 14 02:58:16 Screw svn, front-page html code checkouts are the way of the future! Apr 14 02:58:18 but do they have cheesy communist/hacker banners to help you worship the code? Apr 14 02:59:17 screen scraping is the new scm! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 14 02:59:57 2008