**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 15 02:59:56 2008 Apr 15 03:17:30 +trigger Apr 15 04:00:53 hey does anybody if that snes emulator is ever gonna head to os 2008? Apr 15 04:01:08 It probably just got uploaded to Extras this morning. Apr 15 04:01:16 fms posted it on ITT a while ago, anyway. Apr 15 04:01:20 ^_^ Apr 15 04:01:28 * Mousey huggles freeciv 2.1.3 SDL Apr 15 04:01:29 I remember they posted it Apr 15 04:01:35 * Mousey wonders if it'll ever be in a repo Apr 15 04:01:38 but I thought it was for the 770 Apr 15 04:01:51 * Mousey huggles Palco, too Apr 15 04:02:51 I'm digging Wesnoth. Apr 15 04:03:36 so the snes emu works for 2008? Apr 15 04:04:43 dospod, install it and find out. Apr 15 04:05:00 I guess I will try Apr 15 04:11:14 hmm can't find the link Apr 15 04:12:57 I want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo Apr 15 04:13:12 is there any body?? can help regarding this? Apr 15 04:13:18 huh? Apr 15 04:13:24 please Apr 15 04:13:51 i just have a general question about that Apr 15 04:14:07 gl?? in maemo? Apr 15 04:14:35 yah Apr 15 04:14:39 it seems like no cool apps have came out lately Apr 15 04:14:44 just updates to apps Apr 15 04:14:49 or anything related to open gl! Apr 15 04:15:08 in maemo Apr 15 04:15:10 but.. but.. the graphics chip in the nseries.. it does GL? Apr 15 04:15:17 dospod, go develop something yourself, then. Apr 15 04:15:28 It would have to be software rendering, Mousey. Apr 15 04:15:49 GeneralAntilles: ok.. but.. 400MHz??? Apr 15 04:15:52 there is a vm to download for vmware right? Apr 15 04:16:24 Mousey: Then?? Apr 15 04:16:40 what could be done? Apr 15 04:16:53 frame rates of 3 seconds per frame Apr 15 04:16:56 i guess Apr 15 04:17:15 It'd be fine for simple stuff. Apr 15 04:17:31 oh Apr 15 04:17:49 i'm sorry i can't help Apr 15 04:18:02 i'd love to see glxgears on an n810 tho Apr 15 04:18:08 that'd be funny Apr 15 04:18:55 oh Apr 15 04:19:00 thank you....... Apr 15 04:19:04 thank YOU Apr 15 04:19:10 http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ Apr 15 04:19:12 then any body else....??? Apr 15 04:19:21 who can help..? Apr 15 04:19:23 * Mousey smacks Pio_ on the head Apr 15 04:19:30 I want to set up the development environment to use the open gl in maemo Apr 15 04:19:31 it worked! Apr 15 04:20:25 there is no useful things for me...! Apr 15 04:20:37 The link was for Mousey. Apr 15 04:20:38 Nobody has really done much work on OpenGL Apr 15 04:20:55 So I doubt you'll get an answer. Apr 15 04:20:59 oh then you should mention the name i think! Apr 15 04:21:02 Look it how fast it runs Apr 15 04:21:10 I'd recommend the maemo-developers mailing list. Apr 15 04:21:12 That's amazing! Apr 15 04:21:45 * GeneralAntilles throws cogs at Navi. Apr 15 04:21:54 * Navi dodges Apr 15 04:22:04 sarower, don't get pissy. Apr 15 04:22:09 ha!! Apr 15 04:22:11 that's hawt Apr 15 04:22:16 If it's not useful to you, you can ignore it. Apr 15 04:22:40 that's SO FAST!! Apr 15 04:22:50 damn you navi for stealing my thunder Apr 15 04:24:16 so i love my n810 to pieces, but i'm thinking i should get an n800 too, and get some 16 or 32gb SD cards and use it for external storage for my n810.. is that reasonable? Apr 15 04:24:21 i mean chicks will dig it Apr 15 04:24:25 but besides that Apr 15 04:24:44 N800 is super cheap. Apr 15 04:24:56 usb it up to my n810 Apr 15 04:24:57 I think the price for the n810 is crazy Apr 15 04:25:00 that'd be so cool Apr 15 04:25:10 yea, it's more than the Eee Apr 15 04:25:20 I wouldnt go tha far Apr 15 04:25:27 it is tho Apr 15 04:25:31 the eee can run any linux distro almost Apr 15 04:25:34 meaning more apps Apr 15 04:25:37 Eee isn't small, though. Apr 15 04:25:37 and it's cheaper Apr 15 04:25:38 crazy? all the time u paying more for something new. Apr 15 04:25:39 dont have to port apps Apr 15 04:25:41 so can the n810 Apr 15 04:25:50 just compile Apr 15 04:26:14 i'm just being lazy, not having a build environment for my n810 Apr 15 04:26:15 but they're not really at all similar Apr 15 04:26:19 i really ought to Apr 15 04:26:21 i'm so lasy Apr 15 04:26:23 lazy Apr 15 04:26:25 *cry* Apr 15 04:26:28 the eee also has more ram Apr 15 04:26:33 same cpu tho Apr 15 04:26:35 I love my n800 and all Apr 15 04:26:43 but I wish I could have a eee or itouch sometimes Apr 15 04:26:50 Then go buy one. Apr 15 04:27:18 I got some many other things I need to buy Apr 15 04:27:25 like I need to pay off my car Apr 15 04:27:28 and then maybe a new phone Apr 15 04:28:00 good app Apr 15 04:28:04 but could use improvements Apr 15 04:28:10 grab an iPhone Apr 15 04:28:29 but seeing how it runs linux I had an idea It was gonna be a toy and I shouldnt expect everything I have on my computer on it Apr 15 04:28:30 i had to sacrifice christmas AND my birthday to get my n810 Apr 15 04:28:32 Navi I have sprint Apr 15 04:28:33 i'm glad i love it ^_^ Apr 15 04:28:50 Do what half the iPhone users do and jailbreak it Apr 15 04:28:56 screw that Apr 15 04:29:08 i can't install apps on MY OWN DEVICE?? Apr 15 04:29:18 dospod, install Debian. Apr 15 04:29:27 doh! >_< Apr 15 04:29:31 is it even ready to use? Apr 15 04:29:40 Sure Apr 15 04:29:50 I don't get what you're bitching about, though. Apr 15 04:29:53 debian on an Eee? that's what i'll be doing if i ever get one Apr 15 04:29:54 http://www.flickr.com/photos/12699577@N02/1806099196/ that is such an awesome wallpaper for the n800 Apr 15 04:30:12 Debian leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Apr 15 04:30:15 Subnotebooks are a useless niche for me. Apr 15 04:30:18 I want a p2p app ( not torrent I mean like gtk gnutella) , and a snes emulators Apr 15 04:30:22 snes emulator* Apr 15 04:30:34 Man up and port what you need. Apr 15 04:30:35 the vgba port made me so much happier with the n800 though Apr 15 04:30:40 Then package it for the community. Apr 15 04:30:53 I tried installing ubuntu on her and it didnt run except in safe mode Apr 15 04:30:57 so I think Im gonna vm Apr 15 04:30:58 No power and not pocketable == useless. Apr 15 04:31:00 and maybe port gtk gnutella Apr 15 04:31:12 bleh.. debian runs on EVARYTTHING Apr 15 04:31:23 http://abduzeedo.com/awesome-light-graffiti-pictures <--- those are so awesome for the n8x0 Apr 15 04:31:28 if you don't like debian, you're doing it wrong!! Apr 15 04:31:34 Nah Apr 15 04:31:36 * Mousey takes of his #debian suit Apr 15 04:32:27 dospod: u sure that's not a sprint astroturf site? Apr 15 04:32:35 'scuse me while I gag on package creation. Apr 15 04:32:50 Mousey ??? Apr 15 04:32:58 * liquid64 plays another round of numpty-physics before turning in Apr 15 04:33:23 oh and android could be very promising on the nit Apr 15 04:33:31 so that makes me appreciate my n800 more Apr 15 04:33:36 Bleh Apr 15 04:33:38 Meh Apr 15 04:33:39 bleh indeed Apr 15 04:33:44 Android is just Google hype right now. Apr 15 04:34:00 I'll be impressed when they actually have something interesting. Apr 15 04:34:07 Browser's decent. Apr 15 04:34:10 but Im sure they have lots of developers building apps or will Apr 15 04:34:21 so that could boost app choices Apr 15 04:34:29 my next phone's openmoko Apr 15 04:34:35 i like freedom and diversity, but the portable linux scene is too small and fragmented imo Apr 15 04:34:41 won't it be nice to have the same apps on my n810 as my phone. ^_^ Apr 15 04:35:06 pupnik: hey! freedom isn't free! Apr 15 04:35:10 Mousey it would be pointless carrying both devices then ; ) Apr 15 04:35:13 Definitely, pupnik. Apr 15 04:35:31 dospod: i'm all about multiple devices.. the worlds obsession with one-device-does-everything confuses and entertains me Apr 15 04:35:41 Im surprised nobody really cared when fedora released a armel port Apr 15 04:35:49 who? Apr 15 04:35:53 Mousey Ill take more than one device Apr 15 04:35:54 I'm not surprised. Apr 15 04:36:02 Because everybody else already has? Apr 15 04:36:05 but I think 2 devices is about to push it Apr 15 04:36:20 i'm suprised it took fedora so long, and where's their sparc64 release? and where's their pa-risc release? Apr 15 04:36:24 I don't have enough pockets fir 2+ devices Apr 15 04:36:25 "Woo! Me too!" is not something anybody usually cares about. Apr 15 04:36:37 i have tons of pockets Apr 15 04:36:41 s/fir/fer/ Apr 15 04:36:42 PERSONAL AREA NETWORKZ Apr 15 04:36:42 Navi meant: I don't have enough pockets fer 2+ devices Apr 15 04:36:47 * GeneralAntilles hands Navi a manpurse. Apr 15 04:37:20 i usually have a minimum of 3 or 4 devices at any given time Apr 15 04:37:31 That's insane. Apr 15 04:37:48 yea, insanely USEFUL Apr 15 04:37:56 I can't imagine how. Apr 15 04:38:00 oh hi guys Apr 15 04:38:00 luddite Apr 15 04:38:05 oh hai! Apr 15 04:38:09 and it seems like the debian port is kinda dead Apr 15 04:38:21 has anyone got any experience with mud-builder on scratchbox? I am trying to compile tn5250, and build a deb for my NIT, but it keeps failing Apr 15 04:38:26 and android dosen't look too bad Apr 15 04:38:29 i carry a camera and NIT Apr 15 04:38:36 Phone an NIT Apr 15 04:38:40 well ARMs are endian agnostic, if you aren't impressed with the little endian port, try the big endian one.. that's better for network gear anyway since network traffic is naturally be Apr 15 04:38:40 s/an/and/ Apr 15 04:38:40 Navi meant: Phone and NIT Apr 15 04:39:15 i carry, phone, phone, nit, earpiece, external drive, array of flash medias Apr 15 04:39:30 but at minimum phone phone nit earpiece Apr 15 04:39:39 Why two phones? Apr 15 04:39:46 one for work one for personal Apr 15 04:39:53 i hate having all my calls on one phone Apr 15 04:39:56 harder to ignore Apr 15 04:40:08 yea, way easier to carry more things Apr 15 04:40:12 funny, i never bought a cell phone, but three employers bought me phones... and two girlfriends Apr 15 04:40:22 yay for pupnik Apr 15 04:40:26 so i figure this is a good approach Apr 15 04:40:27 your employer bought you TWO girlfriends?? Apr 15 04:40:30 i need a new job Apr 15 04:40:32 lol Apr 15 04:40:42 Yeah, that's the way I read it the first time :/ Apr 15 04:40:48 if someone wants to keep you on a chain, they buy you a cellphone Apr 15 04:40:57 yea Apr 15 04:41:05 that's what i get for working in operatiosn Apr 15 04:41:10 operations, even Apr 15 04:41:10 I rarely answer my cell Apr 15 04:41:19 I tell people not to call it Apr 15 04:41:22 i use my cel for NIT internet access =) Apr 15 04:41:32 otherwise i txt message everyone Apr 15 04:41:46 if my phone rings, something went terribly wrong Apr 15 04:41:48 hey pupnik does your snes emulator work for os2008 Apr 15 04:42:00 It blows Apr 15 04:42:02 i haven't gotten sound out of it yet Apr 15 04:42:15 I hate sound on emualtors Apr 15 04:42:17 the snes emu blows Apr 15 04:42:17 I dont know why Apr 15 04:42:20 haha Apr 15 04:42:26 SPEAKING OF Apr 15 04:42:36 anybody want to work on a new one? it's loading a game now. should run fullspeed Apr 15 04:42:41 anyone get the n8x0 working as bt headphones instead of bt headSET? Apr 15 04:43:05 pupnik what do you mean work on a new one? Apr 15 04:43:17 a new snes emu that doesn't suck Apr 15 04:43:30 i haven't made progress in a couple of weeks Apr 15 04:43:33 Mousey, you want A2DP. Apr 15 04:43:34 but that's laziness Apr 15 04:43:43 a2dp you say Apr 15 04:43:45 * Mousey googles Apr 15 04:44:05 Datapath wanted to work on it but no progress in 5 months Apr 15 04:44:36 I hope progress gets made Apr 15 04:48:53 ls Apr 15 04:49:00 woops, wrong window Apr 15 04:49:06 IRC: ls: command not found Apr 15 04:49:25 IRC: did you mean lsd Apr 15 04:49:38 night folks Apr 15 04:49:39 Password: Apr 15 04:49:46 * GeneralAntilles drifts around downtown. Apr 15 04:49:50 Howdy, czr. Apr 15 04:49:54 hey GA Apr 15 04:50:23 * czr drifts to client's premises -> Apr 15 04:51:02 Woo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_%28motorsport%29 ! Apr 15 04:51:19 heh Apr 15 04:51:26 not that kind of drifting :-) Apr 15 04:51:29 Limited Slip Differential Apr 15 04:51:37 Bad joke, I'm sorry. Apr 15 04:51:46 more of the "damn this sailboat has no motor and there's no wind"-kind of drifting :-) Apr 15 04:52:04 Hehe Apr 15 04:52:14 yea thats how my life feels Apr 15 04:52:28 fkn ex girlfriend and I lost my best friend a little over a week ago Apr 15 04:52:54 life is. Apr 15 04:53:09 crazy Apr 15 04:53:20 no. just is. Apr 15 04:53:21 one day your here the next you can be gone Apr 15 04:53:45 true that. Apr 15 04:53:51 its so crazy Apr 15 04:54:04 it feels like my best friend is still living with his mom in ohio and isnt gon Apr 15 04:54:08 gone* Apr 15 04:54:21 * halleck starts humming "All we are is dust in the wind" Apr 15 04:56:16 but everything you do changes the world Apr 15 04:57:18 its weird Apr 15 04:57:22 emotions Apr 15 04:57:45 one day I dont care about my ex then , she txted me bc my phone's buttons got pushed and called her i guess , and now Apr 15 04:57:53 were are head over heels for each other Apr 15 04:57:59 but were in a fkd up situation Apr 15 05:05:46 g'night Apr 15 05:06:13 setting up development environment to use open gl in maemo Apr 15 05:06:20 any heliP/ Apr 15 05:06:26 Help??? Apr 15 05:06:30 any body...? Apr 15 05:06:40 sarower, try maemo-developers mailing list. Apr 15 05:06:51 how..? Apr 15 05:06:59 what is the process?? Apr 15 05:07:32 what is the address? Apr 15 05:07:41 GeneralAntilles?? Apr 15 05:07:57 Google, sarower: http://maemo.org/community/mailing-lists.html Apr 15 05:08:09 ok... boss Apr 15 05:08:14 Thank you! Apr 15 05:08:18 very much Apr 15 05:08:36 or any article is there..? Apr 15 05:09:47 Search first Apr 15 05:09:51 If you don't see anything, then mail. Apr 15 05:09:55 oh.. then? Apr 15 05:13:06 about my problem? Apr 15 05:19:45 sarower: wow...he already answered you, spend a bit of time googling for your answer, if no one seems to have answered it then yes. Apr 15 05:21:03 halleck: Cool man!!! Apr 15 05:22:48 X-Fade: Is it possible to resubmit the ssh key? Apr 15 05:30:19 "Latest iPhone beta firmware does full screen captures, saves web images" Apr 15 05:30:22 lmao Apr 15 05:30:30 didnt know it couldnt even do that before Apr 15 05:30:34 even my phone can do that Apr 15 05:30:44 my last 4 phones oculd do that Apr 15 05:31:06 Hehe Apr 15 05:31:10 No cut and paste, either. Apr 15 05:31:45 i dont get why people buy it... its like a prototype or something Apr 15 05:31:59 Eh, it's good for Joe User. Apr 15 05:32:01 My mother has one Apr 15 05:32:06 and she absolutely loves the thing. Apr 15 05:32:24 She's been through a lot of N-series phones, too. Apr 15 05:32:42 yeah...i well sorry for Joes. they end up spending more money and getting fewer features just because they are technologically retarded Apr 15 05:32:53 Hehe Apr 15 05:33:07 Well, there's a bit of an opportunity cost involved. Apr 15 05:33:19 Some people simply don't have the time to invest in getting their devices to do what they want. Apr 15 05:33:46 as apple and bose are perfect examples of Apr 15 05:34:22 Bose . . . gawd Apr 15 05:34:24 What garbage. Apr 15 05:34:26 the iphone is showing up on all kinds of tv series' now... hidden advertising Apr 15 05:34:41 Hehe Apr 15 05:34:49 ncis in particular Apr 15 05:35:01 It was Chuck, I think where they were changing somebody's phone between an iPhone and an N95 from shot to shot. Apr 15 05:35:18 yeah that too Apr 15 05:35:23 Made me laugh. Apr 15 05:35:27 Very clever, getting money from two companies at once Apr 15 05:35:45 It's funny, because most shows end up having to plaster over the Apple logos on the computers. Apr 15 05:36:05 Not if Apple pays 'em though =) Apr 15 05:36:22 adam in mythbusters got one too Apr 15 05:36:28 he uses it for stopwatch on the show Apr 15 05:36:33 im surprised it can even tell time Apr 15 05:36:38 Haha Apr 15 05:36:41 * RST38h wonders what FTC thinks about this stuff though Apr 15 05:36:43 Mythbusters. . . . Apr 15 05:36:49 That show pisses me off. Apr 15 05:37:25 why? Apr 15 05:37:40 They fail at science. Apr 15 05:37:53 I mean, I enjoy watching it Apr 15 05:38:05 but I have to make sure I disconnect or I just get irritated by their methods. Apr 15 05:38:44 lol true Apr 15 05:39:04 Firearm stuff they're particularly bad with. Apr 15 05:39:22 and the latest one, the macgyver episode Apr 15 05:39:25 Water penetration, for example Apr 15 05:39:26 that plane they made Apr 15 05:39:37 They took a .50 and shot it into a pool 3' from the water. Apr 15 05:39:58 It, of course, had way too much energy on entry Apr 15 05:40:07 so didn't penetrate at all Apr 15 05:40:27 But they didn't consider trying it from a reasonable range, say, 200-500yds Apr 15 05:40:43 where the bullet would have a lot more energy and a lot better penetration. Apr 15 05:40:50 indeed... when they tested the home made gldie plane, they dropped it from a short hill and not a cliff so it crashed into the hill Apr 15 05:40:58 Hehe Apr 15 05:40:59 Yeah Apr 15 05:41:17 Thankfully there's some cool shit that offsets the bad Apr 15 05:41:44 like the concrete mixer truck they blew up. Apr 15 05:41:48 i love docu shows like that. but dirty jobs > mythbusters anyday Apr 15 05:41:53 Hell yeah. Apr 15 05:41:56 lol yeah i remember that one Apr 15 05:42:02 Dirty Jobs is great fun. Apr 15 05:42:05 new dirty jobs episode today Apr 15 05:42:29 We used to watch that during lunch at work. Apr 15 05:42:35 I don't get cable up here Apr 15 05:42:45 30 days is another great docu series Apr 15 05:43:02 made by morgan spurlock Apr 15 05:43:07 Yeah, heard of it. Apr 15 05:43:12 Haven't gotten around to watching it yet. Apr 15 05:43:41 eatched ice road truckers during the weekend...also good Apr 15 05:44:00 Future Weapons is fun. Apr 15 05:44:14 I kinda hate the host, but he's the real deal. Apr 15 05:44:32 yeah i havent watched much because of the guy Apr 15 05:44:44 hes like rambo+joh n mcclain onn speed Apr 15 05:44:49 Hehe Apr 15 05:45:00 At least he's no joker, though. Apr 15 05:45:23 school Apr 15 05:54:39 setting up development environment to use open gl in maemo Apr 15 05:54:44 any help? Apr 15 05:54:55 any body? Apr 15 05:54:59 please!!! Apr 15 06:05:31 sarower: no hardware accelerated open gl Apr 15 06:05:39 sarower: and with software it's *slow* Apr 15 06:06:04 n800 has hardware accelared Apr 15 06:06:09 no drivers Apr 15 06:06:10 kulve! Apr 15 06:06:27 n800 dont have support of open gl? Apr 15 06:06:31 kluve? Apr 15 06:06:42 yep, no support Apr 15 06:07:09 But So far I know N800 has but N810 don't have support! Apr 15 06:07:16 wrong Apr 15 06:07:24 same hw, same support. I.e. no support Apr 15 06:07:36 ^ Apr 15 06:07:56 how you are sure.. about it...kulve? Apr 15 06:07:56 ^ Apr 15 06:08:06 ask 100 times Apr 15 06:08:12 he will answer the same Apr 15 06:08:18 I have heared about it from nokia people... kulve!!! Apr 15 06:08:22 and anyone else too Apr 15 06:08:27 sarower: google it Apr 15 06:08:35 sarower: very old story Apr 15 06:08:38 sarowar: bring us working drivers Apr 15 06:08:41 then we can talk Apr 15 06:08:46 no rumors Apr 15 06:08:49 but drivers Apr 15 06:09:02 sarower: there is the hardware, but there's no kernel drivers for it nor the opengl stack using the drivers Apr 15 06:09:23 sarower: you can you e.g. vincent (open gl es software stack) but it's very very slow Apr 15 06:09:27 KotCzarny: But One of the nokia people onformed me about this... that N800 has support of open gl Apr 15 06:09:28 s,you,use, Apr 15 06:09:41 sarower: you misunderstood him Apr 15 06:09:44 sArowar: bring me drivers then Apr 15 06:09:53 sarower: or he didn't knew what he was talking about.. Apr 15 06:10:12 mesagl is also opengl :) Apr 15 06:10:19 yah Apr 15 06:10:21 i know Apr 15 06:10:43 so unless you bring us working drivers there's no point in arguing Apr 15 06:11:06 sure, you can Apr 15 06:11:23 but it won't run that fast Apr 15 06:11:24 :) Apr 15 06:11:56 Ok...... but how i can use to develop the application....? slow is not matter!! Apr 15 06:12:05 mesagl Apr 15 06:12:10 as in the link you posted before Apr 15 06:12:36 it's compatible with opengl Apr 15 06:12:40 can you please say the way of setting up the development environment? Apr 15 06:12:51 nope, because i haven't done it Apr 15 06:13:08 then how you are sure about that? Apr 15 06:13:13 unless you ask about sdk Apr 15 06:13:29 maemo..! Apr 15 06:13:32 SDK! Apr 15 06:14:26 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=915 Apr 15 06:14:39 http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/graphics/opengl-es-for-maemo/ Apr 15 06:14:52 kulve: i believe he posted that link before Apr 15 06:14:52 :) Apr 15 06:15:00 ok Apr 15 06:16:10 yes? Apr 15 06:16:12 sarower: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 15 06:16:12 I've run the vincent on n800 Apr 15 06:17:36 Vincent ran on mine too. He stepped on the screen and broke it Apr 15 06:17:44 (Sry, bored) Apr 15 06:18:34 ;) Apr 15 06:20:24 Stupid Vincent. Apr 15 06:25:31 Vincent is such a n00b Apr 15 06:26:08 I heard he tried to jailbreak his ipod shuffle Apr 15 06:30:56 what could be done by it? Apr 15 06:31:18 KotCzarn? Apr 15 06:31:38 sarower: try googling a bit Apr 15 06:32:08 vmware is a virtual machine. It allows you to run e.g. linux in e.g. windows (or vice versa) Apr 15 06:32:43 if i wat to run local .. application Apr 15 06:32:54 or develop in the local machine? Apr 15 06:32:57 Then? Apr 15 06:33:08 will it work? Apr 15 06:33:15 I don't have a clue what is your local machine, so I can't really help Apr 15 06:35:46 if you have a linux computer, just follow the instructions found in the maemo.org Apr 15 06:36:25 ok.... Apr 15 06:36:48 my question is that: is it only for remote PC? Apr 15 06:37:02 kulve? Apr 15 06:37:50 "it"? "remote pc"? Apr 15 07:03:55 hello Apr 15 07:04:13 does someone here have usbutils and pciutils? Apr 15 07:04:44 or know what's the camera model in N810? Apr 15 07:07:44 tcm825x? Apr 15 07:07:51 [ 12.992187] tcm825x_configure(): configuring Image Size 3 Apr 15 07:10:29 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/qt_to_be_supported_in_addition_to_gtk.html Apr 15 07:10:56 wow Apr 15 07:11:08 kulve: but also some bus Apr 15 07:11:14 omap24xxcam Apr 15 07:11:28 do we have an open driver? Apr 15 07:11:41 I think so Apr 15 07:11:43 RST38h: I have sent you an invitation again. Apr 15 07:11:53 I think the camera is just a normal v4l2 device? Apr 15 07:12:31 v4l1 Apr 15 07:12:45 The camera does v4l2.. Apr 15 07:13:57 mhm, good Apr 15 07:14:06 who cares anyway Apr 15 07:14:12 hmm Apr 15 07:14:13 it is in mainline Apr 15 07:14:23 i remember having problems with cam interface.. Apr 15 07:14:34 (and linux-omap) Apr 15 07:14:37 only mplayer ran fine on it so far.. Apr 15 07:14:44 yeah, the jamming :P Apr 15 07:14:53 that's been fixed since Apr 15 07:14:58 probably not everything is implemented Apr 15 07:15:15 nah Apr 15 07:15:16 astorm: mainline == 2.6.24.x ? Apr 15 07:15:17 :) Apr 15 07:15:22 yup Apr 15 07:15:29 bah. Apr 15 07:15:30 :) Apr 15 07:15:33 but linux-omap is better Apr 15 07:15:34 backport please. Apr 15 07:15:35 :) Apr 15 07:15:45 dunno Apr 15 07:15:52 port it yourself Apr 15 07:15:56 heh.. Apr 15 07:16:01 I still have to get the sources Apr 15 07:16:03 kernel fun Apr 15 07:16:27 though single file replace may work Apr 15 07:16:29 I want a new kernel Apr 15 07:16:29 who knows Apr 15 07:16:30 :) Apr 15 07:16:51 so, I want to know how to launch that wifi Apr 15 07:17:05 I can write a dbus-to-iwconfig bridge Apr 15 07:17:23 (and wpa_supplicant) Apr 15 07:18:06 have to know where to get that driver first though Apr 15 07:22:31 rhapsody is an online media player yes? only online or possible for our mmc cards too? Apr 15 07:24:06 ????// Apr 15 07:24:28 forget about it Apr 15 07:24:38 US only Apr 15 07:25:39 AStorm US only? ummm what u mean? Apr 15 07:25:53 just play US stations? Apr 15 07:26:03 Italodance: It is a subscription based service.. Apr 15 07:26:10 Does anyone have the libapt-pkg-dev (>= 0.7.6). apt-get source keeps pulling me version 6. Apr 15 07:26:14 Only available to US customers.. Apr 15 07:26:35 Or do I build from original apt source? Apr 15 07:37:44 hmmhmm Apr 15 07:38:54 Wish me luck, I'm probably gonna kill the apt on my device and need a reflash. Apr 15 07:39:24 hmm, qwerty, did you know you can simply backup or clone? Apr 15 07:39:41 (backup using mtdutils) Apr 15 07:39:53 Ahh, that sounds useful :) Apr 15 07:40:00 that will save you time reinstalling/reconfiguring everything Apr 15 07:40:15 My computer/router has problems with SSH so I can't backup like that. Apr 15 07:40:29 problems with ssh? Apr 15 07:40:32 heh Apr 15 07:40:37 are you serious? Apr 15 07:40:40 :) Apr 15 07:40:46 Yes, my router doesn't like it :P Apr 15 07:40:57 Stays connecting forever and then never times out. Apr 15 07:40:58 it's a simple tcp app Apr 15 07:41:22 sounds like bitchy firewall Apr 15 07:41:25 Over USB, I once got it to work but now it just refuses my connection. in 1 second. Apr 15 07:41:36 blocking everything that's not port 80 Apr 15 07:41:37 :) Apr 15 07:41:57 I configured the SSH ports :) but this router's pretty crap anyway. Apr 15 07:42:12 But I've reflashed 3 times in 2 days. Apr 15 07:42:13 hi may i ask if we have GTKTooltip in Maemo? Apr 15 07:42:23 i can't imagine how crappy it must be Apr 15 07:42:46 what's the model? Apr 15 07:42:50 Very, in high network load, it reboots >.< Apr 15 07:42:57 A linux based Netgear DG834GT Apr 15 07:43:06 It's running modded firmware but it's still crap. Apr 15 07:43:07 no mods? Apr 15 07:43:13 well Apr 15 07:43:17 mod further! Apr 15 07:43:19 :) Apr 15 07:43:19 hehehhe Apr 15 07:43:29 It's been a long time since I built firmware for it :P Apr 15 07:43:35 I don't even remember how. Apr 15 07:43:44 :) Apr 15 07:43:59 I need to know what hack I need to drop onto umac.ko Apr 15 07:44:00 save yourself troubles and add a switch before router? Apr 15 07:44:08 astorm: cp ? Apr 15 07:44:09 :) Apr 15 07:44:11 to make it work in 2.6.25 Apr 15 07:44:20 insmod -f ? Apr 15 07:44:26 lol Apr 15 07:44:29 KotCzarny, Hmm maybe, but it's overkill for SSH :) Apr 15 07:44:33 don't make me laugh Apr 15 07:44:36 :) Apr 15 07:44:40 I said a mod Apr 15 07:44:48 prob. just version info? Apr 15 07:44:53 astorm: but does it work with -f ? Apr 15 07:45:05 I don't have the kernel yet! Apr 15 07:45:09 :) Apr 15 07:45:34 it will have been built with my arm crosscompiler Apr 15 07:45:42 qwerty: still, you have usb/initfs rescue mode Apr 15 07:45:48 gcc 4.2.3 Apr 15 07:46:05 KotCzarny, True :), but it keeps refusing my connection in 1 second >.< Apr 15 07:46:05 this might not work with umac.ko Apr 15 07:46:18 AStorm, Are you building a newer kernel for N8*0? Apr 15 07:46:24 tgrying Apr 15 07:46:35 what kernel poky uses? Apr 15 07:46:39 would love more info Apr 15 07:47:01 Does the Nokia Patch for the kernel apply onto the new kernel? Apr 15 07:47:10 qwerty: unlikely Apr 15 07:47:11 what patch? Apr 15 07:47:17 no patch needed Apr 15 07:47:22 .17 and .25 are quite far away Apr 15 07:47:31 linux-omap branch has it all Apr 15 07:47:33 .17 is ~1.5 years old Apr 15 07:47:48 When you apt-get source, you get the original kernel but apt-source applies a patch for nokia2420_defconfig etc. Apr 15 07:47:49 ah Apr 15 07:47:53 :) Apr 15 07:47:55 I'm not sure about DSP though Apr 15 07:48:20 qwerty12: uhm... I can't get the source Apr 15 07:48:29 don't have the source url Apr 15 07:48:33 hmm Apr 15 07:48:35 gimme Apr 15 07:48:38 I've seen it somewhere. brb Apr 15 07:48:41 maemo.org/dist ? Apr 15 07:48:42 :) Apr 15 07:48:47 repository.maemo.org Apr 15 07:48:52 maybe... Apr 15 07:49:05 then look inside chinook/k/kernel Apr 15 07:49:08 or something Apr 15 07:49:25 blah Apr 15 07:49:28 later Apr 15 07:49:32 :) Apr 15 07:49:39 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ Apr 15 07:49:40 first I'll try a build Apr 15 07:49:54 kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz is the patch that is applied Apr 15 07:50:02 Without it, you get standard kernel. Apr 15 07:50:09 mhm Apr 15 07:50:17 good it's a diff Apr 15 07:50:34 KotCzarny, you were very nearly right :P Apr 15 07:50:52 if i knew the exact location i would paste it Apr 15 07:50:54 :) Apr 15 07:50:54 anyway, it's linux-omap Apr 15 07:51:17 maybe with some minor mods Apr 15 07:51:25 KotCzarny, Hehe, I was joking around :). I'm trying to get apt 7 to build. Apr 15 07:51:42 I'm only afraid that maemo drivers will hate the new gpio interface Apr 15 07:51:59 introduced in 2.6.24 Apr 15 07:52:15 is mce open finally? Apr 15 07:52:23 I dont think so Apr 15 07:52:44 blah Apr 15 07:52:52 so 8}ll have to reverse it Apr 15 07:53:24 simple though, it only asserts pins here and there Apr 15 07:53:38 where can i find languages for mdictionary? Apr 15 07:53:51 makes them avail to dbus Apr 15 07:55:09 I think retu is also supported in linux-omap Apr 15 07:55:17 so is tahvo Apr 15 07:56:12 time to experiment then Apr 15 07:59:14 linux-omap is indeed progressing fast Apr 15 07:59:40 http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/citrix-logon-small.png Apr 15 07:59:42 HUH!? Apr 15 07:59:57 hehhehe Apr 15 08:00:28 rdesktop Apr 15 08:00:47 tsl2563 was recently added Apr 15 08:00:54 the light sensor Apr 15 08:01:38 cool, 4 NiMH D-cells could give 40,000 mAh Apr 15 08:02:33 huge and heavy Apr 15 08:02:50 yeah that'd be like 2 weeks of full-day tablet power though Apr 15 08:02:51 you'd need a backpack for them Apr 15 08:02:53 Video center can play video/audio from mmc ? Apr 15 08:02:59 pupnik: sure Apr 15 08:03:17 mmm Apr 15 08:03:18 2 weeks Apr 15 08:03:21 no, 4 D cells would fit into a sweatshirt pocket Apr 15 08:03:21 you only need 5V and about 800 mAh Apr 15 08:03:33 or into sleeve Apr 15 08:03:34 :) Apr 15 08:03:34 ? Apr 15 08:03:41 D? you mean 12 V Apr 15 08:03:50 no 1.25 v Apr 15 08:03:59 D... Apr 15 08:04:06 that isn't AAA? Apr 15 08:04:08 nope Apr 15 08:04:10 or AA? Apr 15 08:04:19 show me one Apr 15 08:04:20 astorm: to takie grubsze takie Apr 15 08:04:26 astorm: jak w latarkach np Apr 15 08:04:36 KotCzarny: domyÅ›lam siÄ™ Apr 15 08:04:37 http://www.laantec.de/product_info.php?products_id=300 Apr 15 08:05:00 you need at least four Apr 15 08:05:13 pupnik: 4xaa would be more convenient though Apr 15 08:05:20 and I don't know if they can sustain 800 mA current Apr 15 08:05:23 yeah. and i only have a charger for AA Apr 15 08:05:30 yup Apr 15 08:05:51 and Ds are expensive like hell Apr 15 08:05:51 :) Apr 15 08:06:07 4xD = 30EUR Apr 15 08:06:21 8x AA could work I think Apr 15 08:06:35 8? 4 is enough Apr 15 08:06:39 w/o too much strain on them Apr 15 08:06:50 no, 4 won't sustain the current Apr 15 08:06:58 they'd fail Apr 15 08:06:58 not true Apr 15 08:07:04 ? Apr 15 08:07:06 digital cameras suck more Apr 15 08:07:09 yeah? 800 mA? Apr 15 08:07:16 please... Apr 15 08:07:27 sustained, not peak Apr 15 08:07:56 cams usually use about 100-200 mA Apr 15 08:08:20 why do the specs not tell me current capacity for these AAs Apr 15 08:08:20 even the flash, that is driven through a cap (in new cams) Apr 15 08:08:33 because no one knows :P Apr 15 08:08:42 but i like the idea of 8x Apr 15 08:08:44 NiMH batteries are particularly advantageous for high current drain applications, due in large part to their low internal resistance. Alkaline batteries, which might have approximately 3000 mA·h capacity at low current demand (200 mA), will have less than 1000 mA·h capacity with a 1000 mA load. Apr 15 08:08:45 iti depends on heat dispersion Apr 15 08:08:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_metal_hydride_battery Apr 15 08:08:56 yup Apr 15 08:09:08 check charge current for a rough guide Apr 15 08:09:24 think two series of 4x would give enough voltage? Apr 15 08:09:25 charge current is ~10% of capacity Apr 15 08:09:33 pupnik: one seeries Apr 15 08:09:38 for the 5v in Apr 15 08:09:41 well in parallel Apr 15 08:09:42 it'd give approx 5V Apr 15 08:09:50 no, in series Apr 15 08:10:02 in parallel voltage stays the same Apr 15 08:10:05 (4 in series) x 2 Apr 15 08:10:10 btw. someone in this chan tried misc voltages Apr 15 08:10:11 Morning, all Apr 15 08:10:15 so 4.8 may be too low Apr 15 08:10:23 really? Apr 15 08:10:26 unlikely Apr 15 08:10:30 if they drop to 1.2 volts at the end, then they'd only give 4.8 Apr 15 08:10:30 i can't find the link Apr 15 08:10:31 yeah Apr 15 08:10:40 then use 5 Apr 15 08:10:42 but the best would be to test Apr 15 08:10:45 :P Apr 15 08:10:57 yeah, do you have 5cell charger? Apr 15 08:10:58 :) Apr 15 08:10:59 yup, we need that wimpy plug first Apr 15 08:11:05 sure Apr 15 08:11:08 o i have spare plugs Apr 15 08:11:18 broke as usual? Apr 15 08:11:37 (stupid Nokia, these plugs must be changed) Apr 15 08:11:39 pupnik: will you test it? Apr 15 08:11:46 astorm: buy adapter Apr 15 08:11:52 from new nokia plug to classic Apr 15 08:11:52 :) Apr 15 08:12:00 they go ~1-2$ Apr 15 08:12:03 but the adapter will break too Apr 15 08:12:06 :P Apr 15 08:12:16 (at the tiny plug) Apr 15 08:12:18 buy right-angle adapter Apr 15 08:12:23 (harder to break) Apr 15 08:12:24 :) Apr 15 08:12:31 woohoo, that's a good idea Apr 15 08:12:46 and easier to use too Apr 15 08:12:59 and a 5V/900mA charger Apr 15 08:13:08 my current one is wimpy 650A Apr 15 08:13:13 650mA Apr 15 08:13:18 hjehehehehe Apr 15 08:13:22 650A is not wimpy Apr 15 08:13:27 (at 5V) Apr 15 08:13:28 haha Apr 15 08:13:28 :) Apr 15 08:13:33 typo Apr 15 08:13:41 typo that could kill Apr 15 08:13:42 ;) Apr 15 08:13:51 so, this only barely charges the battery Apr 15 08:13:57 'hey, this instruction says we need 650A' Apr 15 08:14:02 when N is in use Apr 15 08:14:47 fortunately, even though it's fairly overdriven, it works Apr 15 08:14:54 :P Apr 15 08:15:11 and heats up less than AC-4e Apr 15 08:15:39 I'll build my own Apr 15 08:15:42 In this area, NiMH batteries have a big advantage over alkalines, being able to deliver significantly more current. This makes them well suited to high-current devices like digital cameras. As mentioned above, early NiMH batteries could not supply as much current as NiCd batteries, but this is no longer the case, with NiMH having surpassed NiCd in this area. Apr 15 08:15:48 or buy new AC-8 Apr 15 08:15:57 mhm Apr 15 08:15:58 so your argument about not enough current is no longer valid Apr 15 08:16:15 so, we should use 5x NiMH Apr 15 08:16:17 http://www.stefanv.com/electronics/using_nimh.html#current Apr 15 08:16:21 either AA or AAA Apr 15 08:16:28 or 5V and voltage regulator Apr 15 08:16:29 :) Apr 15 08:16:33 AAA would give us about 5000 mAh Apr 15 08:16:34 erm. 4.8V Apr 15 08:16:39 yup Apr 15 08:16:55 but such a regulator will be fun to find Apr 15 08:17:02 we have to wait for pupnik tests first though Apr 15 08:17:08 why? Apr 15 08:17:17 astorm: they are available as one chip solutions already Apr 15 08:17:18 I can build it just fine too :P Apr 15 08:17:34 such a weird stepup? Apr 15 08:17:34 astorm: you have said you don't have the plugs :P Apr 15 08:17:42 yeah Apr 15 08:17:44 KotCzarny: but I can get :P Apr 15 08:18:09 5x NiMH will be heavy, but pocketable Apr 15 08:18:22 but 6V Apr 15 08:18:30 i usually carry my backpack with me Apr 15 08:18:41 so even small 12V akku would work Apr 15 08:18:41 ;) Apr 15 08:18:56 well, split the 4 AAA into two pockets and you won't notice Apr 15 08:19:04 you will Apr 15 08:19:07 (cables) Apr 15 08:19:14 blah blah Apr 15 08:19:18 thin Apr 15 08:19:31 anyway Apr 15 08:19:49 4000 mAh is more than enough Apr 15 08:19:50 i'm curious if 4x nimh could drive a nokia Apr 15 08:19:54 (or charge) Apr 15 08:19:59 that gives two additional days Apr 15 08:20:07 charge, surely Apr 15 08:20:10 Or buy something like this. Keeps you fit at the same time :) http://cgi.ebay.com/5-LED-Hand-Crank-Flashlight-FM-Torch-Emergency-Charger_W0QQitemZ350046414270QQihZ022QQcategoryZ60840QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em122 Apr 15 08:20:15 drive, surely Apr 15 08:20:27 * KotCzarny cranks x-fade up Apr 15 08:20:28 drive+charge, not too sure Apr 15 08:20:40 X-Fade: lol Apr 15 08:20:50 'use that hand muscles boy!' Apr 15 08:20:59 (or girl) Apr 15 08:20:59 you won't be able to generate enough current Apr 15 08:21:00 :) Apr 15 08:21:19 use a knee servo instead Apr 15 08:21:21 :P Apr 15 08:21:45 i would love hydrogen power cells Apr 15 08:21:47 :> Apr 15 08:21:59 KotCzarny: too expensive Apr 15 08:22:09 as anything at the beginning Apr 15 08:22:09 ethanol fuel cell fwit! Apr 15 08:22:23 or betgavoltaic battery Apr 15 08:22:32 *betavoltaic Apr 15 08:22:33 Meh what about that urine powered battery :P Apr 15 08:22:44 nah, too small Apr 15 08:22:50 and too smelly Apr 15 08:23:20 I'm absolutely positive that β-voltaic has too small current too Apr 15 08:23:33 but alcohol cold fuel cell... Apr 15 08:23:49 still, that's too large :P Apr 15 08:24:13 well i finally found a female-female USB-A adapter Apr 15 08:24:34 w00t, I got latest hildon app manager compiled! I;m gonna test it out. It's either gonna work or kill my tablet :P Apr 15 08:24:46 work Apr 15 08:24:50 I have one too Apr 15 08:25:04 you'll see missing strings probably Apr 15 08:25:07 :) Apr 15 08:26:21 Hopefully, I won't have to reflash :), Otherwise my 4th time in 2 days. Apr 15 08:26:23 ah, and add solar cells Apr 15 08:27:59 hmm, N tells me only 4h on wifi Apr 15 08:28:02 wtf? Apr 15 08:28:08 norm Apr 15 08:28:10 out of a fully charged Apr 15 08:28:15 it's only an estimation Apr 15 08:28:26 probably 100%cpu or something happened Apr 15 08:28:33 (ie. reboot) Apr 15 08:28:42 with 10 mA signal Apr 15 08:28:50 nah, cpu usage is low Apr 15 08:29:03 and wifi power saving is active Apr 15 08:29:16 maybe something is waking cpu up needlessly Apr 15 08:29:47 xomap, hildon-desktop Apr 15 08:30:03 10% cpu usage Apr 15 08:30:48 Top is eating more, lol Apr 15 08:31:12 (it's prob. 10% out of slowed down cpu Apr 15 08:31:19 ARRGH! Why is the packing of application manager so BAD! Apr 15 08:31:39 hehehehe Apr 15 08:31:56 Hi, I want to use Open gl in maemomm application. Apr 15 08:31:57 You won't believe the amount of problems I've had! :P Apr 15 08:32:07 just don't use it Apr 15 08:32:07 I suspect the systray clock to take cpu Apr 15 08:32:08 :) Apr 15 08:32:11 any body there can help me regarding this Apr 15 08:32:14 (qwerty) Apr 15 08:32:21 sarower: nope, bad idea Apr 15 08:32:28 All I want is the long version name fix and an update all button. Apr 15 08:32:30 KotCzarny, :) Apr 15 08:32:36 sarower: there's no acceleration yet Apr 15 08:32:51 qwerty: remove offending package from the list Apr 15 08:32:52 :) Apr 15 08:32:56 which library it supports and how to set up the development environment Apr 15 08:33:00 sarower: other than that, use like in gtk Apr 15 08:33:06 it's probably libvorbis or something Apr 15 08:33:08 sarower: it's mesa Apr 15 08:33:18 like in Linux (it is one) Apr 15 08:33:21 ok.... but how i can do tis? Apr 15 08:33:25 AStrom? Apr 15 08:33:36 use GLCanvas of GTK Apr 15 08:33:50 KotCzarny, I think you are right, I've got a nice script that removes the dependices from a control file. Apr 15 08:34:03 AStrom: But i have heared that N800 has Open GL Support Apr 15 08:34:09 OpenGL ES Apr 15 08:34:16 No drivers. Apr 15 08:34:20 heh.. this guy again Apr 15 08:34:26 No hardware acceleration support. Apr 15 08:34:29 no matter how many times you repeat it Apr 15 08:34:31 Most likely ever, Apr 15 08:34:32 sarower: no, it doesn't Apr 15 08:34:36 rumors, yes, there are rumors Apr 15 08:34:49 drivers for n8x0, no, no drivers in the wild Apr 15 08:34:52 Well, TI has drivers.. Apr 15 08:35:07 TI not Apr 15 08:35:09 But until Nokia pays them a lot of money, we don't get them.. Apr 15 08:35:17 the guys of powervr have Apr 15 08:35:18 how much lot is a lot? Apr 15 08:35:27 X-Fade: thanks =) Apr 15 08:35:27 Nokia has them for Symbian Apr 15 08:35:32 KotCzarny: I don't know... Apr 15 08:35:43 note N95 Apr 15 08:35:44 * RST38h found [the hard way] that ssh keys are tied to a particular machine Apr 15 08:35:48 There are drivers in the TI linux sdk.. Apr 15 08:35:50 lol Apr 15 08:35:57 X-Fade: 2D Apr 15 08:35:58 But that is for an older kernel.. Apr 15 08:36:04 Speaking of powervr drivers, a different question; Apr 15 08:36:06 and that too Apr 15 08:36:17 Does anyone know where to find PowerVR instruction set description? Apr 15 08:36:31 AStorm: I seem to recall that they were 3D. With sample applications.. Apr 15 08:36:31 RST38h: NDAized Apr 15 08:36:39 Is it publicly known or some kind of corporate secret? Apr 15 08:36:54 AStorm: But check the noBounds video. You can see 3D in action on the device. Apr 15 08:37:01 heh.. Apr 15 08:37:08 not entirely true Apr 15 08:37:09 :) Apr 15 08:37:12 Yep, I did it. I need a reflash. Apr 15 08:37:13 mhm Apr 15 08:37:29 at least not until we get it in a downloadable version Apr 15 08:37:32 qwerty12: fail is you Apr 15 08:37:38 I didn't Apr 15 08:37:54 ok, tim e for lunch :P Apr 15 08:37:56 * KotCzarny never had to reflash, yet Apr 15 08:37:58 AStorm, lol. I get operation failed on opening and apt-worker binary is nowhere to be seen. Apr 15 08:38:15 KotCzarny, Do you mess around with your N800 as much as me? :P Apr 15 08:38:17 :) Apr 15 08:38:17 i only flashed kernel once or twice and menuboot once Apr 15 08:38:18 :) Apr 15 08:38:24 qwerty: yes, even more Apr 15 08:38:25 :) Apr 15 08:38:35 Hehe :D Apr 15 08:39:03 qwerty: why don't you play on mmcbooted os? Apr 15 08:39:11 it's easier to backup/restore Apr 15 08:39:22 qwerty12: you broke packaging Apr 15 08:39:24 simple dd on the pc Apr 15 08:39:25 you win Apr 15 08:39:25 My card's really crap. With 48Hz kernel, i/o errors all the way. Apr 15 08:39:44 (KotCzarny) Apr 15 08:39:58 then don't use 48MHz sd kernel Apr 15 08:40:00 AStorm, probably. Ah well, I'll have to wait for diablo. Apr 15 08:40:10 KotCzarny, I like the the other stuff I get :) Apr 15 08:40:23 you can disable this patch Apr 15 08:40:24 :) Apr 15 08:40:32 Through make menuconfig? Apr 15 08:40:49 through patch -R Apr 15 08:40:50 ;) Apr 15 08:40:57 or some editing Apr 15 08:41:05 I have Fanoush's mega patch :P Apr 15 08:41:16 ask him to make it configurable Apr 15 08:41:17 :) Apr 15 08:41:44 It would be nice to control it by something like sysctl. Apr 15 08:41:57 tricky Apr 15 08:41:58 :) Apr 15 08:42:00 Because I don't want to disable it for other cards that I may get. Apr 15 08:42:05 sysfs is easier Apr 15 08:42:06 but probably doable Apr 15 08:42:40 Actually come think of it, 48Hz isn't provided by fanoush, its by TI themselves. Fanoush's patch just uncomments. Apr 15 08:42:45 qwerty: ask fanoush very nice and maybe he will do it Apr 15 08:42:50 48MHz Apr 15 08:42:51 :) Apr 15 08:43:04 ask me very nice and I'll do it regardless Apr 15 08:43:12 at 48Hz you would be reading at 6bytes/s Apr 15 08:43:15 (or less) Apr 15 08:43:17 >.< Apr 15 08:43:18 but, gimme the sources first Apr 15 08:43:36 KotCzarny: why? Apr 15 08:43:47 ah Apr 15 08:43:53 :) Apr 15 08:43:59 it's 48MHz Apr 15 08:44:03 :P Apr 15 08:44:11 Here's one patch: http://intr.overt.org/2.2008.50-mmc-kernel/0001-omap2-highspeed.diff Apr 15 08:44:17 As you can see, it doesn't do much. Apr 15 08:44:31 qwerty: patch -R and you're done Apr 15 08:44:47 -p1 switch can be needed too Apr 15 08:44:59 KotCzarny, that patch is for older kernel :). fanoush updated it. But I guess I can do it by hand. Apr 15 08:45:16 It's what I do with most troublesome patches. Apr 15 08:45:19 just replace 48 with something lower Apr 15 08:45:20 :) Apr 15 08:45:34 That's a nice idea, thanks :). Apr 15 08:45:39 or comment out hispeed sd feature Apr 15 08:45:39 * qwerty12 feels stupid now. Apr 15 08:45:46 from the host capabilities Apr 15 08:46:19 or provide a sysctl Apr 15 08:46:25 uhm, sysfs Apr 15 08:46:25 more work Apr 15 08:46:28 :) Apr 15 08:46:34 to set the value Apr 15 08:46:55 Yes, I think a sysctl would be nice though, I wouldn't have to run to kernel_flasher for highest speed. Apr 15 08:47:02 But I don't have the knowledge. Apr 15 08:47:23 no one is born with linux kernel knowledge Apr 15 08:47:25 (yet) Apr 15 08:47:37 morning Apr 15 08:48:38 http://religiapokoju.blox.pl/resource/beijing_2008_new_logo.gif Apr 15 08:48:39 lol Apr 15 08:49:01 KotCzarny: sure Apr 15 08:49:10 but sysfs is easy Apr 15 08:49:49 AStorm: I see your comments about PowerVR, yes the SDK drivers are for a different kernel, but the symbols are pretty similar, it's also for the omap2430, and it doesn't appear to do anything when loaded (after the symbols are fixed) Apr 15 08:50:14 read: fail? Apr 15 08:50:29 I think it's the lack of glx Apr 15 08:50:48 or dri Apr 15 08:51:19 I know you can mount initfs but is it possible to see the bootloader contents? Apr 15 08:52:00 i think bootloader is binary blob Apr 15 08:52:07 think: lilobootloader Apr 15 08:52:17 Ah, ok thanks. I'm on the hunt for the green progress bar. Apr 15 08:52:29 probably in initfs Apr 15 08:52:44 there's app that simply draws the bar in 10s Apr 15 08:52:48 afair Apr 15 08:52:49 Does initfs get mounted before flashing? Apr 15 08:53:01 KotCzarny, fb-progress Apr 15 08:53:06 But thats in rootfs. Apr 15 08:53:59 and? Apr 15 08:54:00 :) Apr 15 08:54:29 Rootfs is getting flashed :P. But I think you are right, other files are too small. Apr 15 08:54:48 I come out with the most pointless ideas, I'm gonna mount the initfs on my computer. Apr 15 08:54:54 hmm, you are talking about flashing progress? Apr 15 08:54:59 Yes. Apr 15 08:55:11 that's why i have never seen it Apr 15 08:55:12 :) Apr 15 08:55:24 Hehe, what about updating to OS2008? :P Apr 15 08:55:38 my device already had os2008 Apr 15 08:55:39 :) Apr 15 08:55:45 KotCzarny: I am repeating it coz, I am trying to find any other people who may know this very well. Don't angry man...!!! Apr 15 08:55:51 Damn, I had to flash mine :) Apr 15 08:56:02 sarowar: other people know what we know Apr 15 08:56:03 AStorm: fail as in the proc entries are not created Apr 15 08:56:07 and google too Apr 15 08:56:21 Oh that may be... Apr 15 08:56:38 but you're free to report back Apr 15 08:56:40 but i did not know this.. that other people knows as you Apr 15 08:56:42 lardman: hmmm Apr 15 08:56:43 if you had success Apr 15 08:57:04 untill you find a working driver, no go Apr 15 08:57:20 ok....... Apr 15 08:57:27 AStorm: I started tracing the function calls to see if I could work out what was stopping things, but xmas got in the way and I've not got back to it yet Apr 15 08:57:35 mhm Apr 15 08:57:43 darn, those xmas! Apr 15 08:57:44 :) Apr 15 08:57:47 I'd love to see success there Apr 15 08:57:47 :) Apr 15 08:57:56 me too Apr 15 08:58:05 we could launch Quake2 them :P Apr 15 08:58:31 AStorm: likewise, but that's only a part of it, there's an ARM-side link library and then the OpenGL library itself which would need to be implemented (getting a bit ahead of myself here!) Apr 15 08:58:31 We can already launch Quake 2. Apr 15 08:58:34 without optical trackpoint 3dgames are no fun Apr 15 08:59:12 ah yes, gimme a mouse driver Apr 15 08:59:54 usb + evdev will suffice for now Apr 15 08:59:56 What I'd really like, is to hear definitively whether the PowerVR would be able to work. I'd like to know if the hold up is a licensing thing, or lack of man power, or a hardware limitation. Apr 15 09:00:01 bonus points for BT Apr 15 09:00:31 1st Apr 15 09:00:39 and Nokia not willing to pay Apr 15 09:00:40 lardman: ask that on the mailing list and put Quim as CC. Ask a short direct question and hope that you get a short direct answer ;) Apr 15 09:00:47 :) Apr 15 09:01:04 the hardware is capable Apr 15 09:01:05 KotCzarny, http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4894/058podborkazk3.jpg Apr 15 09:01:08 heh.. Apr 15 09:01:12 kulve: I'll ask him at LinuxTag Apr 15 09:01:32 Can you really be sure of that AStorm? Apr 15 09:01:45 Anyway, the bug needs pimping: Vote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Apr 15 09:01:45 tank-man: i have seen endgam3 Apr 15 09:01:56 tank-man: i was just loling at the pic Apr 15 09:01:57 AStorm: even the people wondering if it's not as easy as the ITs don't use the on-chip (OMAP) framebuffer, etc.? Apr 15 09:02:09 GeneralAntilles: you beat me to it Apr 15 09:02:21 I'd like to know one way or another Apr 15 09:02:38 lardman: they do use the omapfb Apr 15 09:02:48 checked sysfs Apr 15 09:02:57 the driver is present and used Apr 15 09:04:05 this is beyond my expertise, too far into the hardware side. It may be that the name is misleading though... Apr 15 09:04:08 The chip has the PowerVR, but not an additional accel Apr 15 09:04:24 so it won't be great at 3D anyway Apr 15 09:04:34 astorm: free cycles Apr 15 09:04:35 :) Apr 15 09:04:36 cell phone 3D would work though Apr 15 09:04:36 well we know there is an external LCD driver chip which contains a framebuffer, how the data are transferred to that I don't know Apr 15 09:05:11 AStorm: the demos for the PowerVR MBX are pretty compelling, certainly not nvidia 8900 quality, but not too bad ;) Apr 15 09:05:34 the LCD framebuffer is automatic hardware Apr 15 09:05:37 Quake 3 wouldn't be out of the question. Apr 15 09:05:45 synced with TI framebuffer Apr 15 09:05:51 autonomic? :) Apr 15 09:05:55 so usual linux-omap works Apr 15 09:05:59 I'm really not that worried about the support, I'm mostly interested in seeing any kind of answer at all. Apr 15 09:06:00 dunno Apr 15 09:06:02 GeneralAntilles: voted Apr 15 09:06:06 yup Apr 15 09:06:07 Thanks! Apr 15 09:06:09 the powervr does pretty nice stuff on symbian with similar hw Apr 15 09:06:13 ok, that's reasonable, in which case even less reason for it to not work Apr 15 09:06:25 glass: same hw Apr 15 09:06:30 GeneralAntilles: hear hear Apr 15 09:06:32 not just similar Apr 15 09:06:33 lardman: Did you see that 'driver' that initialized the chip already? Apr 15 09:06:55 X-Fade: not, what's that? Apr 15 09:06:59 AStorm: except for the lcd driver part Apr 15 09:07:02 None of the Symbian hardware is driving a panel this big, though, AStorm. Apr 15 09:07:07 So not ENTIRELY the same. ;) Apr 15 09:07:13 glass: including :) Apr 15 09:07:17 yeah.. e90 is almost as big but not as big Apr 15 09:07:38 resolutionwise Apr 15 09:07:42 the LCD framebuffer is also external there Apr 15 09:07:57 and also synced in hw Apr 15 09:08:22 lardman: Let me see if I can find it. A #maemo regular made it.. Apr 15 09:08:27 they get double buffering for free Apr 15 09:08:38 X-Fade: cool :) Apr 15 09:09:09 Now I only need to remember who it was :) Apr 15 09:09:12 i'd like demo code that shows me how to get synched updates (pixel-doubled) Apr 15 09:09:32 pupnik: talk to ssvb? Apr 15 09:09:49 i should. yeah.. Apr 15 09:09:50 X-Fade: how long ago was this? Apr 15 09:10:13 lardman: A month ago orso? Apr 15 09:10:41 X-Fade: ok, I was away on holiday which might explain why I missed it Apr 15 09:11:49 I think it was pH5 that created it.. Apr 15 09:12:28 lardman: http://de.pastebin.ca/946765 Apr 15 09:12:51 He at least found some registers.. Apr 15 09:12:52 cool, will take a look see Apr 15 09:13:42 looking at the dates on those patches, I wonder if this implies that things are being added....? Apr 15 09:14:11 or did they come from somewhere else? Apr 15 09:14:31 He reversed the blob, I think.. Apr 15 09:15:00 I'd love to get video pins out of N810 Apr 15 09:15:32 you know, the chip supports quite high res Apr 15 09:16:42 VGA, you mean? :P Apr 15 09:17:05 yeah Apr 15 09:17:16 N800 had it, right? Apr 15 09:17:20 so me adapter Apr 15 09:17:24 *some Apr 15 09:17:33 There's another controller in the for QVGA, too, no? Apr 15 09:17:46 LCD controller Apr 15 09:17:48 yup Apr 15 09:17:54 They're the same hardware. Apr 15 09:18:03 exactly Apr 15 09:18:13 but there's no port in N810 Apr 15 09:18:30 space constraints and all Apr 15 09:18:32 There is on the N800? Apr 15 09:18:44 let me check Apr 15 09:18:48 Quick question, in OS2008 is /etc/init.d/rcS executed upon boot? Apr 15 09:19:04 I'd like to see somebody hook up the TV out. Apr 15 09:19:19 What sort of 'port'? Apr 15 09:19:27 GAN800: vga Apr 15 09:19:49 it has one Apr 15 09:19:55 for a VGA dongle Apr 15 09:19:58 Er, where? Apr 15 09:20:07 look around Apr 15 09:20:46 There's a 3.5mm, a power, a usb and serial and another usb-thing. Apr 15 09:20:54 no Apr 15 09:20:58 There's no vga port. Apr 15 09:21:00 it's not USB Apr 15 09:21:11 it's a port for VGA dongle Apr 15 09:21:52 Erm Apr 15 09:22:03 Video-out is rumoured to be connected in the 3.5mm jack ;) Apr 15 09:22:05 You want to back that up? Apr 15 09:22:15 Just like the N95.. Apr 15 09:22:44 @astorm Apr 15 09:22:47 GAN800: trying Apr 15 09:23:02 Good skills, a company has released a flac codec for the dsp: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-flac/ Apr 15 09:23:04 X-Fade, make mine work. :P Apr 15 09:23:25 ixonos to be exact Apr 15 09:23:38 Neat stuff. Apr 15 09:23:48 brilliant Apr 15 09:23:52 wheee Apr 15 09:23:58 great Apr 15 09:24:03 They have some parts of an ogg codec, the imdct stuff which mine is missing Apr 15 09:24:16 so a collaboration looks good Apr 15 09:24:22 now there will be use for 32G cards Apr 15 09:24:26 lardman: Heh, I have approved that project this morning ;) Apr 15 09:24:28 Why did Nokia ship with more DSP codec support? Apr 15 09:24:44 didn't, you mean? Apr 15 09:24:49 s/did/didn't/ Apr 15 09:24:50 GAN800 meant: Why didn't Nokia ship with more DSP codec support? Apr 15 09:24:57 because they had time and money constraints Apr 15 09:25:06 And liability.. Apr 15 09:25:22 Seems like there'd be less effort involved if they have all the right tools. Apr 15 09:25:26 well. rewriting OGG to DSP would be fun Apr 15 09:25:26 X-Fade: same company? Apr 15 09:25:39 AStorm: much of it is already done, in garage Apr 15 09:25:51 ty for that link lardman Apr 15 09:25:58 now, how do I add a support for flac/dsp in ogg-support.. Apr 15 09:26:19 X-Fade: troubles mixing email names and irc nicks, appologies for spelling your forename wrongly ;) Apr 15 09:26:27 never heard of Ixonos before Apr 15 09:26:32 lardman: for some reason, it doesn't work in canola :P Apr 15 09:26:38 lardman: No, this exact project. I was just amazed how quick they updated it. Apr 15 09:26:40 they have filed a bug Apr 15 09:26:46 AStorm: what doesn't? Apr 15 09:26:50 ogg Apr 15 09:26:58 pupnik: they are a Symbian house, branching out Apr 15 09:27:06 they fixed the scanner, yet it still doesn't Apr 15 09:27:07 AStorm: it's in garage, I didn't say it was complete Apr 15 09:27:11 have you looked at their source? Apr 15 09:27:12 :P Apr 15 09:27:12 lardman: Well, I'm used to that. Don't worry about it.. Apr 15 09:27:21 pupnik: not yet, they just sent me the email Apr 15 09:27:30 pupnik: no Apr 15 09:27:42 AStorm: your (and everyone else's) help appreciated :) Apr 15 09:28:09 X-Fade: ah, the Garage project, sorry bit slow this morning Apr 15 09:28:14 lardman: what needs to be done? (aside from major debugging) Apr 15 09:28:40 AStorm: the debugging is probably not too major, the main missing parts are the imdct code Apr 15 09:28:41 lardman: Yeah. Apr 15 09:28:47 AStorm: I hope anyway Apr 15 09:28:54 lardman: btw, I'll try to bring Gentoo to IT Apr 15 09:29:04 AStorm: If I can just use those it will mean far less work for me to do (yay!) Apr 15 09:29:10 mad project, eh? Apr 15 09:29:12 15M dsp-flac-0.0.1 Apr 15 09:29:20 But it is really a good thing that people other than Nokia are creating these dsp tasks.. Apr 15 09:29:27 this bloody ogg project has dragged on for far to long Apr 15 09:29:49 the DSP docs are under NDA for stupidity reasons Apr 15 09:29:58 I'd love to read them Apr 15 09:30:08 AStorm: what DSP docs? Apr 15 09:30:15 AStorm: there is lots of publically available infomation, certianly enough to do everything but access the BT hw on the DSP side Apr 15 09:30:15 asm Apr 15 09:30:23 mhm Apr 15 09:30:34 no, the asm stuff is freely available Apr 15 09:30:36 btw, is BT supported in linux-omap? Apr 15 09:30:42 lardman: linky? Apr 15 09:30:46 AStorm: only the n8x0 dsp audio API is closed Apr 15 09:30:53 ahha! Apr 15 09:30:57 AStorm: looking Apr 15 09:31:06 still not bad Apr 15 09:31:11 "libFLAC is compiled with CFLAGS=-DFLAC__INTEGER_ONLY_LIBRARY and --disable-ogg" Apr 15 09:31:16 and even that would probably be hackable with a little work Apr 15 09:31:35 then we can just skip the audio api and do it on our own Apr 15 09:31:36 it's mainly on the ARM, with some processing done on the DSP Apr 15 09:32:16 AStorm: you'd need to recompile the DSP kernel as you'd need to write the audio codec, which is probably not too bad, but we'd lose all the Nokia stuff Apr 15 09:32:31 why would I? Apr 15 09:32:46 AStorm: you need a codec driver to get audio output Apr 15 09:32:50 I can dl the data processed by dsp and send it the old-fashioned way Apr 15 09:33:02 still fast Apr 15 09:33:09 oh yes you can certainly do that Apr 15 09:33:31 that's what my ogg task does atm (once it can correctly decode the stream that is ;) ) Apr 15 09:33:45 :P Apr 15 09:33:56 right now it's just tremor, right? Apr 15 09:34:16 what do you mean? Apr 15 09:34:26 ah yes, just the vorbis decoder/tremor Apr 15 09:34:32 no video Apr 15 09:34:33 I mean the working codec Apr 15 09:34:42 (sans DSP) Apr 15 09:34:53 on ARM, yes both vorbis and tremor work, tremor is faster Apr 15 09:35:00 it's quite fast too, even w/o dsp code Apr 15 09:35:04 mhm Apr 15 09:35:17 even vs vorbis on vfp? Apr 15 09:36:15 well, I could check myself :) Apr 15 09:36:20 * pupnik mutters 'aplay' - adlib / fmopl Apr 15 09:36:23 tremor is still faster Apr 15 09:36:27 mhm Apr 15 09:36:42 take a look on the mailing list, i did some comparisons Apr 15 09:36:51 which list? Apr 15 09:37:00 maemo-developers Apr 15 09:37:27 How tied into the PowerVR is the IVA stuff? Apr 15 09:37:35 mhm Apr 15 09:37:46 GeneralAntilles: very Apr 15 09:37:50 GeneralAntilles: I think they are separate blocks of hw Apr 15 09:37:55 at least v1 Apr 15 09:37:59 GeneralAntilles: hmm, I thought not at all, more tied into the DSP Apr 15 09:38:02 kulve: not v1 Apr 15 09:38:09 2v1 Apr 15 09:38:34 certainly if you look at the latest dspgateway patches it;s been changed to be able to send tasks to the IVA too Apr 15 09:38:41 yes Apr 15 09:38:48 there is just no IVA 'kernel', assuming that's what it needs Apr 15 09:38:49 which is excellent Apr 15 09:39:05 there is little information about what the IVA actually consists of, I would like to know more really Apr 15 09:39:11 exactly, the firmware for opengl isn't loaded Apr 15 09:39:34 blah, bat. says 1h Apr 15 09:39:39 AStorm: you are sure the two are linked together...? Apr 15 09:39:40 damnit :) Apr 15 09:39:48 lardman: they are Apr 15 09:39:54 through the framebuffer Apr 15 09:40:04 what do you do, what is your bg (out of interest)? Apr 15 09:40:20 lardman: I'm studying Apr 15 09:40:28 into embedded hw Apr 15 09:40:48 do you happen to have the omap2420 manual? Apr 15 09:41:03 can't get a copy of it Apr 15 09:41:10 no, I've also tried Apr 15 09:41:17 we do have one for an older chip Apr 15 09:41:23 but NDA Apr 15 09:41:23 1710? Apr 15 09:41:27 yes Apr 15 09:41:43 not so relevant I don't think, no PowerVR anyway afaicr Apr 15 09:41:58 I wish TI would get with the times and stop being a big stinker. Apr 15 09:42:10 what I know is that IVA is very much like the newest nvidia chips Apr 15 09:42:15 a stream processor Apr 15 09:42:24 AStorm: iva1? Apr 15 09:42:27 Though the IVA is linked to the PowerVR via the framebuffer, I don't think the two run with the same code. My impression is that the IVA is a separate core into which one loads a "kernel" and tasks. Apr 15 09:42:36 exactly Apr 15 09:42:46 because it is a stream processor Apr 15 09:42:48 :P Apr 15 09:42:51 in which case it's like the DSP Apr 15 09:42:58 as the DSP is run in the same way Apr 15 09:43:06 mhm, good to know Apr 15 09:43:19 thus, if we know how to get code onto it... Apr 15 09:43:24 free cycles! Apr 15 09:43:41 Seems like it's capable of decent h.264 decoding, too. Apr 15 09:43:47 bonus: it's supposed to run shaders quite fast Apr 15 09:43:47 well the infrastructure is there in dspgateway, there is simply no information about what to run on it Apr 15 09:44:07 we could try to make gallium work... Apr 15 09:44:14 i.e. we don't even know what sort of processor it has, though i have read rumours of an ARM9 core Apr 15 09:44:26 arm9? unlikely :P Apr 15 09:44:32 cheap though Apr 15 09:44:33 but I don't know Apr 15 09:44:40 but as I said, simply a rumour Apr 15 09:44:41 heheh Apr 15 09:45:01 no substantiation and not from an authoratitive source, etc., so forget I said it Apr 15 09:45:29 it's always best to check Apr 15 09:45:46 GeneralAntilles: yes, would help with video decoding certainly Apr 15 09:45:49 now, I have to get OMAP breadboard Apr 15 09:46:15 The IVA is presumably used on the Sumbian devices, how much of the filesystem can one see on these phones? Would it be possible to look for IVA tasks & kernel, etc.? Apr 15 09:46:18 prob. expensive Apr 15 09:46:26 Underutilized hardware is a sad thing indeed. Apr 15 09:46:33 lardman: hmmm... Apr 15 09:46:44 I'll buy a phone and see Apr 15 09:46:50 GeneralAntilles: But if it all worked out of the box I'd be bored pretty soon ;) Apr 15 09:46:53 but that's later Apr 15 09:47:06 lardman: heheehhe Apr 15 09:47:19 I suspect N900 will have 3D Apr 15 09:47:21 Ha Apr 15 09:47:24 * lardman needs caffeine, bbiab Apr 15 09:47:48 We should at least be able to rob stuff from the Pandora guys for the N900 if Nokia doesn't give it to us. Apr 15 09:48:05 Are there any other Linux devices out there on OMAP2? Apr 15 09:48:26 GeneralAntilles: does the pandora have sw support for the 3d? Apr 15 09:48:30 I don't think so. Apr 15 09:48:41 They say it's gonna have OpenGL 2.0 Apr 15 09:48:47 I mean, about other devices Apr 15 09:48:57 I think the powerVR chip are used all over the place Apr 15 09:49:03 They are. Apr 15 09:49:04 ARM isn't that widely used. Apr 15 09:49:09 GeneralAntilles: doesn't they say that they have HW support for it.. Which is exactly what n810 has now.. Apr 15 09:49:18 You're kidding, right, AStorm? Apr 15 09:49:21 keesj: but under Symbian Apr 15 09:49:25 ARM ships 3+ billion a year. :P Apr 15 09:49:38 GeneralAntilles: but not under Linux! Apr 15 09:49:44 OK, fine. :P Apr 15 09:50:09 get a washing mashine with ARM8 :P Apr 15 09:50:29 some routers have them too Apr 15 09:50:47 (but most have MIPS) Apr 15 09:51:01 what's arm8? Apr 15 09:51:02 rl Apr 15 09:51:10 One less than arm9! Apr 15 09:51:13 kulve: armv8 Apr 15 09:51:25 the old Apr 15 09:51:35 ARMv7 is the newest Apr 15 09:51:41 armv7 is even more popular Apr 15 09:51:48 that's arm7, not armv7 Apr 15 09:51:49 kulve: beat me to it Apr 15 09:51:55 ah, righ Apr 15 09:51:59 *right Apr 15 09:52:07 confused myself again Apr 15 09:52:12 api vs cpu :P Apr 15 09:52:20 should've picked diff names Apr 15 09:52:26 Hehe Apr 15 09:52:30 But that'd be no fun. Apr 15 09:52:51 there are arm7 (armv4?), arm9 (armv5), arm11 (armv6) and cortex (armv7) Apr 15 09:53:04 Cortex stuff is haaawt Apr 15 09:53:07 hacking into your microwave would be fun Apr 15 09:53:08 Here comes my first IRC msg using pidgin on N810: Life is life! I have two arms - how to find out the version/modelnumber? Apr 15 09:53:26 Cut them off, count the rings. Apr 15 09:53:30 girigiri: what? Apr 15 09:53:37 girigiri, http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Try this, too. :D Apr 15 09:53:48 yeah, it rocks Apr 15 09:53:58 and wait until I build a newer v. Apr 15 09:54:02 :) Apr 15 09:54:16 (and hildonize it some more) Apr 15 09:54:43 just the scrolling, really Apr 15 09:54:47 I'd like to be able to turn off the statusbar applet. Apr 15 09:54:56 Ok - I'll wait :) Apr 15 09:55:18 No, get it now. :P Apr 15 09:55:22 GeneralAntilles: tray? it's in the prefs Apr 15 09:55:27 Is it really? Apr 15 09:55:28 yeah, get it Apr 15 09:55:33 GeneralAntilles: sure Apr 15 09:55:41 I've been through them somewhere around a dozen times and never seen it. <_< Apr 15 09:55:44 it's the damned tray icon Apr 15 09:56:12 in Alerts tab Apr 15 09:56:31 ok, bbl Apr 15 09:56:53 ah, right-o. Apr 15 09:58:18 I did it - counted the rings. Result= 0. Is this bad? Apr 15 09:58:46 No, but I'd find yourself a doctor real soon. :P Apr 15 10:00:41 Oh, I didn't have to cut off the arms to count the rings. Will adding rings from beercans upgrade my arms? Apr 15 10:07:15 Added USB keyb. Am I still connected? Apr 15 10:07:24 no Apr 15 10:07:34 you're already in a dream world Apr 15 10:07:47 (where all keyboards are having fun) Apr 15 10:08:31 Ok COOL, this works betten than anticipated Apr 15 10:08:55 Hi ! Apr 15 10:09:01 Hi Apr 15 10:09:43 Got to go back to wrk ... Bye Apr 15 10:09:43 hI Apr 15 10:11:12 winnuke 127.0.0.1 Apr 15 10:16:51 and there was I hoping we'd have a working powervr driver by now ;) Apr 15 10:19:59 We do, but we all agreed not to share it with you. :P Apr 15 10:21:18 :D Apr 15 10:21:55 GeneralAntilles: you up early or didn't go to bed? Apr 15 10:22:11 My sleep schedule is entirely screwed up this week. Apr 15 10:22:19 Powering through a bunch of projects for the end of the semester. Apr 15 10:22:25 ah, fair enough Apr 15 10:22:25 I got about 2 hours. <_< Apr 15 10:31:07 interesting: http://www.stampede.org/~lethal/resume.txt Apr 15 10:31:19 namely this part: "Developed loader for TI DOFF (dynamic COFF) used by OMAP2420 IVA." Apr 15 10:32:04 Huh Apr 15 10:34:11 Too bad Jaffa can't make LinuxTag. Apr 15 10:36:45 yeah, means you might have to hear me talk Apr 15 10:36:51 Hehe Apr 15 10:36:59 You and lcuk need to put together a PowerVR riot. Apr 15 10:37:19 well they are asking about the future of maemo.... Apr 15 10:37:25 :) Apr 15 10:37:36 I wonder if milhouse just couldn't attend or what. :\ Apr 15 10:42:27 http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2006-December/008591.html Apr 15 10:42:37 So presumably Nokia have such a beast Apr 15 10:42:44 (from the resume earlier) Apr 15 10:49:39 If only they'd be kind enough to bless us with it. Apr 15 10:50:04 We'd need a toolchain too Apr 15 10:50:25 and that would probably need to come from Ti as was the case with the DSP toolchain Apr 15 10:53:28 lardman, lol at the resume Apr 15 10:53:40 lardman, references: "Consider grep and a kernel tree near you." Apr 15 10:54:10 :) Apr 15 10:54:38 http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sprufa3a/sprufa3a.pdf looks like there's some related info, for the omap35xx Apr 15 10:55:09 Hehe, usb host mode power is fun.. Check what I found out on planet.maemo.org :) Apr 15 10:55:31 hehe Apr 15 10:55:46 Reminds me of the time I connected a subwoofer to itself... Apr 15 10:58:04 Is the only difference between the 34xx and the 35xx lot sizes? Apr 15 10:59:20 strange there's so much info available for it (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments), but not much for the 2420 Apr 15 11:01:18 Yeah, weird. Apr 15 11:06:20 are my ears burning? Apr 15 11:06:35 almost certainly Apr 15 11:06:49 you comin to linuxtag as well then? Apr 15 11:06:54 yep Apr 15 11:07:01 excellent :D Apr 15 11:07:16 hopefully we shall get time to hammer something out Apr 15 11:07:35 something out ... of the Nokians there?! ;) Apr 15 11:07:37 or are you gonna speak and run Apr 15 11:07:50 I'll speak, but will be around for that day at least Apr 15 11:08:22 and will be in Berlin anyway, so can meet up whenever if something's arranged, etc. Apr 15 11:08:33 im hoping to stay and take in as much as i can - theres just too much about this "linux" thing that i still dont know so i'll try and put use the time as well as possible Apr 15 11:08:48 lardman: I'll try to setup a get together in Berlin. Apr 15 11:09:06 I'd be interested to stay, but not sure the gf will be too pleased with that :) Apr 15 11:09:06 http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/tablet-heart-web-browser-part-i/ Apr 15 11:09:10 Interesting stuff there. Apr 15 11:09:16 X-Fade: sounds good Apr 15 11:09:26 quim said he will post on dev list when we get some travel arrangements Apr 15 11:09:32 Rewriting the browser plugin to do that doesn't seem entirely unfeasible. Apr 15 11:11:03 lardman, so on the pvr/iva front you havent found anything? (i've concentrated on getting 800*480YUV mode graphics as nice as possible and am running out of places to get more from Apr 15 11:11:18 get more bandwidth from ^ Apr 15 11:11:28 you have working dsp code around somewhere don't you? Apr 15 11:11:35 lcuk: I've not had a chance to look at the kernel driver more, been away on holiday and been busy since i got back Apr 15 11:11:49 as we allo have Apr 15 11:11:50 yeah, I need to crack on and finish the tremor-on-dsp stuff really Apr 15 11:12:23 supposing that pvr is out of range (and hence the iva as well) i would like to try using the dsp as a blitter Apr 15 11:12:51 ah, well that's fine. I'm also part way though creating a task to scale and colorspace convert video for ssvb Apr 15 11:13:25 scaling? which part needs scaling? xv takes yuv at any scale and can display at fullscreen or windowed? Apr 15 11:13:49 ie given 640*480 it auto scales to fullscreen Apr 15 11:13:56 lcuk: when you blit from the dsp it goes straight to the framebuffer Apr 15 11:14:07 or do you mean the lcd controller will scale? Apr 15 11:14:52 in the current xomap I think the xv does the scaling using the lcd controller Apr 15 11:15:00 I think the point was to scale to some format that the lcd controller can handle (talking about the 770 here, the n8x0 will do arbitrary sizes i know) Apr 15 11:15:29 yeah sorry, this was aimed mainly at the 770 Apr 15 11:15:33 if you allocate and map an xv window at 400*480 (or anything else) then render it there is no internmediate memory copies, the data at original resolution is sent over the bus to the lcd. the lcd then scales it internally Apr 15 11:15:48 ahhh right.. makes sense now Apr 15 11:16:10 now, I can't remember if I got DSP->framebuffer working or not.... Apr 15 11:16:15 for the N8x0 Apr 15 11:16:21 it certainly works on the 770 Apr 15 11:17:30 i just need some code so i can emulate Agnus (amiga blitter chip) ;) Apr 15 11:18:42 actually, if you arent too busy in the next couple of days i could do with a word about cpu scaling. Apr 15 11:19:02 cpu freq or scaling images? Apr 15 11:19:45 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/ oh well perhaps I did get it working on the N8x0 Apr 15 11:19:55 framebuffer_test* Apr 15 11:20:11 freq, without going into detail: i optimised function and now it clocks itself back down and runs slower. when i double the workload it kicks up to fullspeed and runs faster than when it was doing half the work. any idea how to nice my process up (i tried nice and upping priority) Apr 15 11:20:45 lcuk: you are unlikely to be able to use DSP for Agnus simulation Apr 15 11:21:03 i manage it if i set the ondemand thing to performance, but its root access and i dont wanna play with peoples global battery settings Apr 15 11:21:30 I don't know all that much about it I'm afraid, but you could change the governor temporarily to stop it clocking back Apr 15 11:21:32 RST38h, i dont mean proper bitplane stuff - ive just got bytes i need putting from one place to another Apr 15 11:21:36 ah Apr 15 11:22:20 yer, if i go altering their settings globally and then crash out for some reason it will remain in the higher mode which i dont want Apr 15 11:22:53 yes, I can see that might be a problem Apr 15 11:22:54 i'll have to make sure quim brings some diablo test machines with him Apr 15 11:23:00 :) Apr 15 11:23:07 there are meant to be changes Apr 15 11:23:44 there are presumably ways to sort that out, but all would require changes (i.e to the governor to allow short term boosting or to change the operating method, etc.) Apr 15 11:24:40 i think the nearest/cleanest way would be small wrapper script which ups/downs the governor on start/shutdown. even in the main program crashes the script should continue Apr 15 11:25:42 but i have code which looks really dreamy - fullscreen flicker free screolling and updating at 800*480, but as i say its only when the cpu is at full speed. Apr 15 11:26:01 mplayer doesnt have this problem because its constantly reading from disk and using the dsp and stuff Apr 15 11:26:52 actually - ^^^ that you posted dsp code up there - ill take a look, all along kotz has been saying kick the dsp in it keeps the cpu at full Apr 15 11:26:58 might kill 2 birds with one stone Apr 15 11:27:38 erm Apr 15 11:27:42 not entirely true Apr 15 11:27:43 :) Apr 15 11:27:43 no, with the dsp running it goes to fiull speed and the arm is scaled back Apr 15 11:27:51 on stock kernel it's 330/220 Apr 15 11:28:07 has someone decoupled them then? Apr 15 11:28:07 with a patched kernel it can be 400/133 Apr 15 11:28:14 ah good Apr 15 11:28:17 it might be enough though. especially if i can make the screen say ouch when i poke it with a stylus ;) Apr 15 11:28:27 lardman: it's a trivial patch Apr 15 11:28:40 lardman: replacing one array with another Apr 15 11:28:53 patching the kernel is not the thing a normal user should be expected to do - this might change once we get incrimental updates Apr 15 11:28:57 (hi kot btw) Apr 15 11:29:04 (hi hi) Apr 15 11:29:05 unfortunately the dsp load stats are pretty rubbish (in my experience anyway), it would be interesting to know how much overhead the dsp has at 133MHz Apr 15 11:29:35 lardman: plays mp3, that's for sure :) Apr 15 11:30:04 well that's good enough, I wonder if the kernel patch will be included for the Diablo Apr 15 11:30:07 have you got an air raid siren in your room? ***AWOOOGA AWOOOGA* INTERNET DISCUSSION CALLING *** Apr 15 11:30:15 lardman: also as astorm found out, it could be nice to renice Xomap to 0 from -1 Apr 15 11:30:34 oh, I didn't see that, my history is very short Apr 15 11:30:46 lardman: i don't know, do they know/plan anything in this case? Apr 15 11:31:06 lcuk: ahm, not, i was just lurking Apr 15 11:31:15 (while slapping edea) Apr 15 11:31:21 it would be better for video playing and using a gstreamer dsp backend (or hacked dsp backend with mplayer for example) Apr 15 11:31:39 but I don't know either Apr 15 11:31:45 lardman: yes, i know, that's why i hacked it in for me, and it works beautifully Apr 15 11:32:04 though mplayer has issues Apr 15 11:32:11 IVA! Apr 15 11:32:12 ;) Apr 15 11:32:15 i hope ssvb resolves it some day.. Apr 15 11:33:06 lardman: renicing xomap helps with sound stutter on matchbox activity Apr 15 11:33:07 :) Apr 15 11:33:15 lardman, have you found that the ive is like the appendix on the 2420, there isnt much info available but it would be very useful for 3d gfx Apr 15 11:33:23 Ah, ok, has someone added a bug for that? Apr 15 11:33:41 i don't know Apr 15 11:33:49 lcuk: not 3D, but for video accel so i understand Apr 15 11:33:50 iva ^ Apr 15 11:34:09 god im using vnc on a bad kb - i meant 2d of course Apr 15 11:34:21 * lcuk slaps his forehead Apr 15 11:34:32 I posted a pdf link a bit earlier to the IVA2.2 info for the omap35xx Apr 15 11:35:01 ill read on scrollback later on - its painful rolling backwards from here Apr 15 11:35:06 there's also a link on the Ti website about the PowerVR SGX Apr 15 11:35:20 damn, gotta dash back to work Apr 15 11:35:23 cyas later Apr 15 11:35:27 From here http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3503.html#technicaldocuments Apr 15 11:35:30 :) Apr 15 11:35:32 bye lcuk Apr 15 11:38:05 As for the ARM11, said Gerard Andrews, TI's OMAP marketing manager, said, "Our benchmarks show that the 35xx can offer twice the processing power as an ARM11 at the same clock speed." Apr 15 11:38:08 I hope that pans out. Apr 15 11:38:32 Well it has a Cortex + 2x DSP so one would hope so... :) Apr 15 11:38:33 GeneralAntilles: I think it does Apr 15 11:38:53 GeneralAntilles: and I think there will be more MHz too Apr 15 11:38:54 A ~600MHz Cortex A8 is gonna be a force of nature. Apr 15 11:39:10 GeneralAntilles: I have one at the office ;) Apr 15 11:39:19 What's the power consumption like? Apr 15 11:39:34 Should be the same when everything said and done. Apr 15 11:39:43 At least according to the information I've seen. Apr 15 11:40:15 Somebody want to explain what "ball-pitch" is? Apr 15 11:40:25 The webernet is failing me here. Apr 15 11:41:29 lol Apr 15 11:41:41 it's like ball -- pin Apr 15 11:41:49 pitch is simply distance between them Apr 15 11:42:03 so ball-pitch is pin density Apr 15 11:42:25 (more or less) Apr 15 11:43:07 GeneralAntilles: http://www.openomap.org/ Apr 15 11:43:19 GeneralAntilles: you can buy an omap3 already :) Apr 15 11:43:35 I's got nuthing to puts it in, though. Apr 15 11:43:47 Ah, right-o. Apr 15 11:44:17 That'd be N900 money. :D Apr 15 11:47:00 I think we would need to see a Nokia phone with omap3 first. And I don't think I have seen one yet? Apr 15 11:47:59 Before we see the N900? Apr 15 11:48:31 GeneralAntilles: I think they sell more phones than tablets. So that would be logical? Apr 15 11:48:42 Perhaps Apr 15 11:48:47 When was the first OMAP2 phone out? Apr 15 11:48:58 N73 ? Apr 15 11:49:33 N800 and N810 are basically a N95 without the 5MPix camera.. Apr 15 11:49:49 <|zeus|> huh? Apr 15 11:50:01 <|zeus|> what about display? Apr 15 11:50:10 and without a gsm/umts stack Apr 15 11:50:11 "basically" ;) Apr 15 11:50:14 http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/swpu114g.pdf Apr 15 11:50:14 X-Fade: and without the gsm stuff .. and yes Apr 15 11:50:14 ;) Apr 15 11:50:41 I don't know what the N96 uses? Apr 15 11:50:49 and without the video acceleration and 3D accel too... :) Apr 15 11:51:05 If that one uses omap3... Apr 15 11:51:22 lardman: Well, it is there in hardware ;) Apr 15 11:51:34 ah yes Apr 15 11:51:56 I'm sure you could run symbian on the tablets ;) Apr 15 11:52:37 but if the cpu is the same, it doesn't mean the whole hw is the same.. There's wlan, bluetooth, power management, mmc/sd, etc.. Apr 15 11:53:06 kulve: Designing hardware is expensive. It makes sense to just adapt an existing design a bit.. Apr 15 11:53:13 Hence the lcd problems.. Apr 15 11:53:19 X-Fade: at least it might make sense ;) Apr 15 11:53:26 and drivers problems.. Apr 15 11:53:29 ;) Apr 15 11:53:40 Just slap on a bigger display didn't seem to work properly.. Apr 15 11:54:02 I'd hope with Step 5 Apr 15 11:54:02 But at least the omap3 should be able to directly work with a bigger display.. Apr 15 11:54:06 we get a bit more resources. Apr 15 11:54:25 X-Fade: it seems to push at least 1280x720 :) Apr 15 11:54:31 GeneralAntilles: That would be at least 2 years at the current rate.. Apr 15 11:54:34 GeneralAntilles: that is what we need for the 2420 Apr 15 11:54:45 GeneralAntilles: the TRM that is Apr 15 11:54:58 kulve: I would guess the 1024 display would be more likely.. Apr 15 11:55:08 1024x600 orso? Apr 15 11:55:12 X-Fade: what about external displays? Apr 15 11:55:16 1024x768 is what the OMAP3430 pushes. Apr 15 11:55:28 With another 640x480 controller. Apr 15 11:55:44 hi again ... Apr 15 11:55:46 kulve: Well there is the video-out framebuffer? Apr 15 11:56:42 e.g. that zoommdk has DVI-D output Apr 15 11:56:56 quick poll: laptop for developing code in fulltime linux: cheap normal type laptop, or eee Apr 15 11:57:01 kulve: Yeah, the beagleboard has it too.. Apr 15 11:57:08 (im going buying in a couple of hours) Apr 15 11:57:11 lcuk: the eee's keyboard is *small*.. Apr 15 11:57:37 yeah, old thinkpads have perfect kb Apr 15 11:57:44 Normal, lcuk. Apr 15 11:58:15 ok, driver situation - not interested in 3d, but if i get something with intel chipset i should be ok ? Apr 15 11:58:35 yup Apr 15 11:58:37 lcuk: Sure.. Apr 15 11:58:51 i dont wanna get money and then be stuck with windows. last lap i got i couldnt get all drivers properly Apr 15 11:59:19 buy one with 30day money back guarantee Apr 15 12:00:04 or just ask seller if you can bring the lappy back in a day or two Apr 15 12:00:05 ;) Apr 15 12:00:07 ill buy one with a full guarantee but i didnt like the idea of shelling out windows tax. i kinda like my linux now.. Apr 15 12:00:28 Don't worry, the crapware subsidizes the hardware. :P Apr 15 12:00:43 if you buy it in a real brick+mortar store you can bring a live cd to try Apr 15 12:00:48 hmm Apr 15 12:01:06 good point john, thanks ill take ubuntu from here :) Apr 15 12:01:14 if you're adventurous you can try 'ask the oem for windows refund' Apr 15 12:01:30 Greetings people Apr 15 12:01:37 someone made a photo of denying m$ licence during first boot Apr 15 12:01:39 ;) Apr 15 12:01:55 then asked oem how much is windows copy worth Apr 15 12:02:01 then asked for a refund Apr 15 12:02:02 my dad is buying it for me so im n ot gonna rock the boat Apr 15 12:02:03 :) Apr 15 12:02:29 X-Fade> i ve uploaded a new version of the package HomeIP (0.0.5) Apr 15 12:03:33 i told him i needed a cheap laptop to use for linuxtag (i would normally get my own stuff, but we have a holiday to save for next month) Apr 15 12:03:36 Khertan: And? Did it work? :) Apr 15 12:03:52 X-Fade> i hope :) Apr 15 12:04:29 Luck: Do u know how to use open gl in maemo Apr 15 12:04:33 X-Fade> dsc wasn't signed correctly as there was cache for the content :) Apr 15 12:04:36 lcuk, you need to make a harness for the N810 + Model M. Apr 15 12:04:38 i am a maemo developer Apr 15 12:04:43 Sargun, yes, slowly Apr 15 12:04:52 signed was ok ... md5 wasn't Apr 15 12:05:13 as i made md5 before sign ... Apr 15 12:05:18 now it should be ok Apr 15 12:05:26 Khertan: Nope, it is broken.. Apr 15 12:05:44 The md5sum of your .dsc file in the .changes file doesn't match.. Apr 15 12:05:50 but i ven't test md5 as md5 cmd line isn't available on the device Apr 15 12:05:52 argggggg Apr 15 12:05:55 13f30065a71a8ac822e9f98235424899 244 user/other extras-devel homeip-0.0.5.dsc Apr 15 12:06:00 md5sum homeip-0.0.5.dsc Apr 15 12:06:00 05687acd6cf3a37127b1f1ab0ffacbc7 homeip-0.0.5.dsc Apr 15 12:06:09 sorry to disturb you again x-fade ... Apr 15 12:06:12 Different :) Apr 15 12:06:19 it s seems :) Apr 15 12:06:24 one little bit.. Apr 15 12:06:32 no one should notice! Apr 15 12:06:41 :) Apr 15 12:06:59 hehe someone tried to inject some evil code, I think :) Apr 15 12:07:05 lol ... Apr 15 12:07:16 and got caught in the process Apr 15 12:07:18 ;) Apr 15 12:10:17 back later again.. Apr 15 12:10:23 k k Apr 15 12:10:26 i should go too Apr 15 12:10:39 few more days without sleep and i will die Apr 15 12:10:40 :) Apr 15 12:13:35 is there stable way to get n8x0 connect to BT-PAN? Apr 15 12:13:43 http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/51,80273,5121316.html Apr 15 12:13:44 lol Apr 15 12:13:58 maemo-pan package (which is another ugly out-of-any-repo package) makes my n810 reboot Apr 15 12:14:10 Works fine for me Apr 15 12:14:15 Dunno of anything else. Apr 15 12:14:43 KotCzarny: o fsck Apr 15 12:15:21 hrw: as they say, you don't know the day and the hour ;) Apr 15 12:16:14 who highlighted me Apr 15 12:16:29 sargun: some tab abuser probably Apr 15 12:16:30 ;) Apr 15 12:16:36 KotCzarny: its ~half hour from me btw Apr 15 12:17:05 hrw: lol, have you seen it? Apr 15 12:17:24 KotCzarny: no Apr 15 12:21:28 ~lart omweather author Apr 15 12:21:29 * infobot moos at omweather author Apr 15 12:21:58 why maemo pacakges are so weird... Apr 15 12:22:37 some remove user data without asking (on install), some require reboot after install, some rename own files right after install... Apr 15 12:22:46 why do pleople interfer with computers Apr 15 12:22:55 and where is l2ping ;( Apr 15 12:23:21 because (in some cases) they're made by people who are doing packaging for the first time... Apr 15 12:24:18 Hehe, someone needs a chill pill on -developers. Apr 15 12:24:37 johnx: I can accept such ugly packages from random repos but it is on http://repository.maemo.org one Apr 15 12:24:42 people are forced to create pacakge Apr 15 12:24:59 hrw: Why do you think the answer is any different? Apr 15 12:26:39 * Jaffa yawns Apr 15 12:26:54 derf: from random repo I do not expect any quality as it can be top developer or newbie. but from repost hosted with maemo.org domain I expected any QA checks Apr 15 12:27:12 hrw , yes it would be great. Apr 15 12:27:51 I mean , I would even require the source of the package to be avaiable Apr 15 12:28:03 hrw: but there is work in progress :P Apr 15 12:28:06 We are working on that. Apr 15 12:28:08 I heard Apr 15 12:28:10 Perhaps your expectations are unreasonable, given that maemo has no defined packaging policy that I've ever seen. Apr 15 12:28:11 keesj: I would rather require source and forbid uploading of packages Apr 15 12:28:23 hrw: That is the plan ;) Apr 15 12:28:33 similar to dpkg-buildpackage, is there any dpkg- that can only build just the executable? i prefer to simply build the application, move to target device and test it Apr 15 12:28:44 hrw: this has been disscueed many times on the mailing list and is every time a hot item Apr 15 12:28:53 derf: and given that maemo is very young project... is has only 3-4 years Apr 15 12:29:07 I keep thinking of if in differetn way's Apr 15 12:29:30 my last idea is that "users" should not have to create packages Apr 15 12:29:43 perhaps not even allowed to write anything else then python :P Apr 15 12:30:11 heh Apr 15 12:30:16 heh^2 Apr 15 12:30:27 * hrw wants sources for maemo... Apr 15 12:30:30 Jaffa: :P and you only pc base software Apr 15 12:31:32 mbuf, you could run dpkg-buildpackage once and then just run make && scp -- if that's what you wanted to do Apr 15 12:31:47 wnd, ahh, ok Apr 15 12:32:34 .. i was poking around in utilites.. and saw a handwriting training thing on my n810... does anyone know of some "notes" software that does hand writing recognition? Apr 15 12:32:51 hrw: you are working on poky right? Apr 15 12:33:11 lirakis_work, it's a global input method. Apr 15 12:33:18 Switch it in Text Input Apr 15 12:33:27 GeneralAntilles: .. hmmm... Apr 15 12:33:31 okay.. i check it out Apr 15 12:33:47 There's no fullscreen handwriting software (ala Newton), though. Apr 15 12:34:06 my advice is just to forget hwr-im ;-) Apr 15 12:34:10 ^ Apr 15 12:34:20 Especially if you have Newton background. Apr 15 12:40:49 keesj: yes Apr 15 12:46:32 ~curse maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices Apr 15 12:46:33 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo bt settings for filtering !phone devices ! Apr 15 12:46:46 how to get the sources of maemopad within scratchbox using dpkg? Apr 15 12:47:13 apt-get source maemopad Apr 15 12:50:14 im not sure what happened .. but .. the little "icon" on my home screen.. with the 3 people .. is permanantly highlighted.. and i cant open that menu Apr 15 12:51:19 but other apps work ok? Apr 15 12:51:31 yeah Apr 15 12:51:38 no problem with other stuff Apr 15 12:51:51 gonna reboot see what that does Apr 15 12:52:07 that should work, or maybe go to the control panel -> panel and temporarily switch web and communications Apr 15 12:54:33 yeah its fine after reboot Apr 15 12:56:06 anyone have any ideas how to locate a reference to GtkComboBoxEntry widget which is inside HildonFindToolBar ? Apr 15 12:56:07 johnx, there is not apt-source in scratchbox chinook_x86; do i need to install anything? Apr 15 12:56:39 apt-get source maemopad Apr 15 12:58:16 johnx, urgh, sorry Apr 15 12:58:35 * mbuf needs a break Apr 15 12:58:36 no problem :) Apr 15 12:59:44 there are lots of other good stuff in apt-get and apt-cache for dealing with source Apr 15 12:59:49 check out apt-get build-dep too Apr 15 13:00:16 and 'apt-cache showsrc' Apr 15 13:06:52 maemo-pan lack 'do bt pan with THIS bt device' - will report Apr 15 13:07:24 It uses the phone selected in connection manager. Apr 15 13:08:48 but one of my gripes about maemo stuff, is that far too often, there's no source repository, and no easy way to find the source of the port. Apr 15 13:09:06 GeneralAntilles: I have phone and pc in list. pc supply pan Apr 15 13:09:12 phone has only dun Apr 15 13:09:49 Hmmm . . . dunno if you can rectify that through GUI. Apr 15 13:09:53 Console, maybe. Apr 15 13:09:54 Dunno Apr 15 13:10:02 Just tried it once with a friend's WinMob phone. Apr 15 13:10:29 <||cw> hrw: WM6 phones only have PAN Apr 15 13:10:54 symbian does pan too iirc Apr 15 13:11:02 ||cw: my DESKTOP machine do PAN Apr 15 13:11:15 <||cw> desktops can usually do anything Apr 15 13:11:24 with the right OS ;) Apr 15 13:11:26 ||cw: I do not care about connecting maemo tablets to phones for network. my phone has gprs only Apr 15 13:11:59 So, you only want to use the PC with PAN? Apr 15 13:12:05 Then just choose the PC under "Phone"? Apr 15 13:12:10 <||cw> so does my wm6 phone, but to get internet via it on the tablet I have to use PAN Apr 15 13:12:48 GeneralAntilles: settings -> control panel -> bluetooth -> devices lists my phone and my desktop. it should be enough Apr 15 13:13:13 GeneralAntilles: I do not plan to make my desktop fake 'phone' bt class just to get pan working Apr 15 13:13:27 especially when it is to test bt connection speed Apr 15 13:13:34 Does it not show up in the Phone list? Apr 15 13:14:41 GeneralAntilles: control panel -> phone? it does not Apr 15 13:14:44 bb in 15m Apr 15 13:54:58 hi, i wanted to ask a question; i want to use a USB DAC (Audio) with the Nokia Tablet. I belive the OS will not support this from default, i have pre-built usb-audio kernel modules for maemo on the nokia tablet. How can i go about making this work? Apr 15 13:55:29 HckD3v, there's a thread on internettablettalk that covers it Apr 15 13:55:47 I haven't paid much attention to it recently, so I'm not sure exactly what in there, but it's on the subject. Apr 15 13:56:16 its vauge Apr 15 13:56:27 i need to recompile the kernel and make it into an image i presume Apr 15 13:56:45 do i use the SDK to do this? Apr 15 13:57:03 if you have the right modules compiled against the correct kernel version then all you probably need to do is install them and then modprobe the right one Apr 15 13:57:06 and could the kernel modules be pluged-in without a re-flash? Apr 15 13:57:40 is there a guide or foru tread about this? Apr 15 13:57:44 i could read up on Apr 15 13:58:12 where's the ITT thread? Apr 15 13:58:22 stick the modules in /lib/modules/ and insmod them Apr 15 13:58:58 thanks Apr 15 13:59:28 is there a possiblity of fining that thread @general Apr 15 14:12:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15452 Apr 15 14:12:41 That, I believe. Apr 15 14:14:40 yea i read that allready, this is why i want to pull this off Apr 15 14:15:01 is the ALSA sorted? Apr 15 14:24:51 it is sorted fifo Apr 15 14:25:54 fifo? Apr 15 14:27:38 First In First Out Apr 15 14:28:23 but perhaps was supposed to be afaik, my fingers often type a completely different word if I'm not concentrating Apr 15 14:29:07 i mean if i use the copiled modules from fanoush would the sound be direct from the apps and no re-routed from the internal sound device Apr 15 14:29:20 the goal is to use the usb dac to ecive purest sound quality Apr 15 14:29:25 achive* Apr 15 14:29:41 the built in apps use the dsp, so no, you would probably have troubles there Apr 15 14:30:01 from mplayer you ought to be able to use ALSA and in the conf file tell ALSA what to use, etc. Apr 15 14:30:13 hmm Apr 15 14:30:36 you could probably change the gstreamer bindings though so everything would go via your usb output Apr 15 14:30:41 would DSP route the sound throgth the internal sound device? Apr 15 14:30:44 yea Apr 15 14:31:00 but what if i want to use the external speaker or heaphone jack Apr 15 14:31:12 at the same time? Apr 15 14:31:16 yea Apr 15 14:31:28 think of it as a second sound card Apr 15 14:31:43 gstreamer allows you to split the stream, presumably it's also possible to do somehow with ALSA. I'm no expert though Apr 15 14:31:45 i could have a small script to switch Apr 15 14:32:13 ALSA is not really needed, only if it helps me to pull it off the way i want it Apr 15 14:33:03 my thought was that you switch between a dspsink and an alsasink Apr 15 14:33:24 does anyone in the U.S. have a at&t data only plan that they can give some info on ..? do they have hsdpa available generally? how are the speeds etc. Apr 15 14:33:30 * RST38h misses /dev/dsp Apr 15 14:33:42 ive got a blackberry now.. (which doesnt play nice for tethering) Apr 15 14:34:31 .. or a tmobile data plan .. same questions Apr 15 14:35:47 http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-plugins/file/5f6650c03e1b/doc/README-maemo Apr 15 14:35:59 its still all a bit vauge Apr 15 14:36:16 im trying to readup on the itt forums Apr 15 14:37:30 Well that allows standard ALSA output to be done via the dsp plugins, not quite what you want Apr 15 14:37:54 yea Apr 15 14:39:02 you should probably obtain the alsasink plugin from somewhere (it may even be on the device), get the usb output thingy working using mplayer (over alsa) to test, then look at how to alter the gstreamer conf files to switch between alsa- and dspsinks Apr 15 14:44:41 hola Apr 15 14:44:59 ahh ive read on IIT forum, the version of ALSA on the OS2008 is'nt complete Apr 15 14:45:40 It certainly used to work for a2dp so I presume it ought to work for you unless you have something more specific? Apr 15 14:46:03 the alsa dsp plugin seems to work on n8x0. I haven't tested it heavily though.. Apr 15 14:46:32 HckD3v: have you tried insmod'ing the modules for your usb device? Apr 15 14:49:30 i dont have the device at the moment with me Apr 15 14:49:40 and from what i can read i dont think that works Apr 15 14:49:43 ill link you wait.. Apr 15 14:49:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468&highlight=alsa Apr 15 14:50:04 this uses ALSA from what i can tell Apr 15 14:50:09 for BT headset Apr 15 14:50:24 yep, it works Apr 15 14:50:28 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16952&highlight=dac Apr 15 14:50:44 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15452&page=10&highlight=dac Apr 15 14:50:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12520&page=6&highlight=dac Apr 15 14:51:20 so is that the same device? Apr 15 14:52:07 what device Apr 15 14:52:09 yea Apr 15 14:52:18 usb dacs are all pretty much the same Apr 15 14:53:09 I'd rmmod the usb mass storage driver, that should stop the first problem in the first post Apr 15 14:53:21 s/post/thread Apr 15 14:54:08 once all these issues are resolved im going to write a proper how-to Apr 15 14:54:23 not just sound devices but other usb devices Apr 15 14:54:34 but i want sound to work properly first :D Apr 15 14:56:22 ok, in the first thread, first post which has the output: Apr 15 14:56:27 usb dacs work? awesome Apr 15 14:56:34 [383428.679687] usb 1-1: device v08bb p2702 is not supported Apr 15 14:56:52 yea no usb-audio kernel drivers Apr 15 14:56:52 so.... find a driver that does support it, compile it, install it and away you go Apr 15 14:56:56 which i have Apr 15 14:56:59 nice Apr 15 14:57:02 compiled? Apr 15 14:57:06 yep Apr 15 14:57:09 .ko Apr 15 14:57:26 so no flaffing about with ALSA? Apr 15 14:57:33 woot ^_^ Apr 15 14:57:38 ok, so install them, then see if they get automatically insmod'ed (probably not), then try using insmod to insert them and see what dmesg says Apr 15 14:58:12 you probably need ALSA so that you can direct the audio output to the particular device that the kernel drivers create for your usb device Apr 15 14:59:02 nice, ill give it a shot Apr 15 14:59:18 but means i need a re-complied version of alsa Apr 15 14:59:20 and a config Apr 15 14:59:21 :p Apr 15 14:59:32 you need a config, but not a recompile Apr 15 14:59:34 afaik Apr 15 14:59:48 your config should just tell ALSA which device to output to Apr 15 14:59:53 that's my impression anyway Apr 15 15:00:01 k, shouldnt be too hard Apr 15 15:00:28 also you guys know if the 8gb SDHC limitation is real. i heard some people were using 16gb cards Apr 15 15:00:31 would they work fine? Apr 15 15:00:47 no idea, sorry Apr 15 15:02:32 do these modules look familiar, scroll down?: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SlugAsAudioPlayer Apr 15 15:04:15 yep Apr 15 15:04:25 i have the same modules compiled for maemo Apr 15 15:04:30 ok, so that gives you the order in which to insmod them Apr 15 15:04:53 nice find Apr 15 15:04:55 if you do it in a different order the module will fail to be inserted due to missing symbols from one of the earlier ones Apr 15 15:05:01 yea i know Apr 15 15:05:15 saved me a headache :p Apr 15 15:05:58 sorting out the ALSA setup I don't know about, but there seem to be examples about, or find something that writes directly to /dev/dsp and use that (I think aplay does that) Apr 15 15:06:22 then you can start hacking on the gstreamer redirection bit Apr 15 15:06:56 yea would be great if you can find Apr 15 15:07:11 I'll leave that bit to you Apr 15 15:09:02 hmm http://www.linuxdoc.org/ DNS seems to have lapsed Apr 15 15:11:11 good luck & let us know how you get on Apr 15 15:11:24 yea thanks Apr 15 15:11:34 omg Apr 15 15:11:38 i think i struck gold Apr 15 15:12:08 http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=6783 Apr 15 15:12:29 same thing with usbdac but with portable laptop 'eepc' runing debian based linux Apr 15 16:01:34 I dl'ed all 2.9GB of maps for north America onto my tablet (N800) and I now have decided to reflash the device, because I have so much execc junk on it I just want to start fresh. I do not however want to take another 12 hours to dl the same maps I already have. Where are the located on my file system so I can back them up onto my laptop before I reflash? Apr 15 16:04:42 WorkingOnWise, I don'T have my N810 with me but it is a folder caller Maps ;) Apr 15 16:04:42 *called Apr 15 16:05:08 capitol "M"? Apr 15 16:06:02 WorkingOnWise: /media/mmc2/maps I think. Might be mmc1 too Apr 15 16:06:20 WorkingOnWise: you can get the right path in the maemo mapper mpas settings.... Apr 15 16:06:39 mine defaults to MyDocs/.documents/Maps Apr 15 16:07:26 i have that symlinked to my mmc2 though ;) Apr 15 16:07:33 Hi all Apr 15 16:07:48 is there a way to user flasher from freebsd ? Apr 15 16:07:59 or at least is it plan? Apr 15 16:15:14 is there a way to get maemo mapper working without having to open some other app which turns on the GPS?? oh and is there ANY way to get the GPS to aquire faster? Apr 15 16:16:42 mameo mapper had an option to turn on the gps last i looked, but that was a few weeks ago before i wiped my 810 and started over Apr 15 16:16:48 Select bluetooth, Mousey. Apr 15 16:16:57 as for aquire speed... yeah it just sucks. we deal with it Apr 15 16:16:59 No MAC Apr 15 16:17:10 GeneralAntilles: huh? instead of /dev/pgps? Apr 15 16:17:34 Select Bluetooth, blank MAC. Apr 15 16:17:42 oooh Apr 15 16:17:45 that's odd Apr 15 16:18:00 GeneralAntilles: you're impossibly informative.. could you be a bot? Apr 15 16:18:10 he's the general Apr 15 16:18:17 IT'S A TRAP!! Apr 15 16:18:22 I pay attention. Apr 15 16:18:24 wait, that's admiral Apr 15 16:18:32 * GeneralAntilles now tries to figure out why the hell his keychains are all missing. Apr 15 16:18:42 thats admiral ackbar Apr 15 16:18:43 0wned! Apr 15 16:18:56 * Mousey needs more c0ff33 Apr 15 16:19:04 the general's security access has been revoked and his keychains confiscated Apr 15 16:20:53 CivilianAntilles? Apr 15 16:20:55 ...and escorted from the building Apr 15 16:22:10 * Mousey huggles his unlimited Sprint DUN Apr 15 16:24:44 AWESOME!!! Apr 15 16:24:51 * Mousey huggles #maemo Apr 15 16:25:08 * mwaldron backs away from all the huggling Apr 15 16:25:35 i wish there was a way to extend the applet bar Apr 15 16:26:37 yup, but not sure how Apr 15 16:29:57 is the lcd from an N810 a drop in replacement for the lcd in an N800? Apr 15 16:32:29 WorkingOnWise, no Apr 15 16:32:35 WorkingOnWise, or maybe Apr 15 16:32:41 lol Apr 15 16:32:53 WorkingOnWise, its not the same screen, but its probably the same size Apr 15 16:33:04 the N810 one is transreflective, so it works better in sunlight Apr 15 16:33:22 thats the only thin the n810 has to offer me... Apr 15 16:33:48 so the perfect 800 would have the 810's lcd :) Apr 15 16:33:54 yep Apr 15 16:34:35 I'll have to watch ebay for dead 810's with intact screens Apr 15 16:35:00 I would love a 810 if it had SD slots, but minisd = not being able to use the dozen or so SD cards I have Apr 15 16:35:03 my wife might not like me if I bought an 810 and switched displays Apr 15 16:35:46 they pulled the sd slots all together? and only has a single minisd now? Apr 15 16:36:26 yep Apr 15 16:36:44 the internal one they replaced with a 1GB permanent memory (or maybe it was 2GB) that shows up as a card in the machine Apr 15 16:36:49 and the external one is a minisd Apr 15 16:37:17 wow.....makes the built in gps look less and less impressive. I have 2.9GB of maps on my 800 Apr 15 16:37:21 supposedly to make room for the GPS and the keyboard Apr 15 16:37:32 probly true.... Apr 15 16:37:50 The new OS does not support A2DP profile. My guess is that the Freepulse only supports the A2DP Profile (I have no idea)? There is a thread where some people have actually gotten this to work, but as previously stated, it is a CPU hog. Hopefully with the next OS update, they include A2DP support. Apr 15 16:37:57 probably not, a few cellphone vendors agreed a while back to make a transition to minisd on all their phones Apr 15 16:38:09 this is probably because of that Apr 15 16:38:26 2gb Apr 15 16:38:45 BUT IT'S NOT A PHONE!! Apr 15 16:38:45 I have lots of maps as well on my internal SD Apr 15 16:38:51 * Mousey waves fist in angst re miniSD Apr 15 16:38:55 lol Apr 15 16:38:58 yea A2Dp works but 50% cpu Apr 15 16:39:11 that sucks Apr 15 16:39:16 I got a2dp working but the quality stinks Apr 15 16:39:29 if internal mem is a card could replace, what you think Apr 15 16:39:35 i'd take the cpu usae if it sounded good... Apr 15 16:39:39 ill have to look at gutted 810 pics Apr 15 16:42:43 where are some good pics of gutted N800? I have a few hacks I want to do Apr 15 16:44:23 WorkingOnWise, toughtfix blog might have some Apr 15 16:45:49 thanks TCP Apr 15 16:49:34 same Apr 15 16:49:38 I gotta hear this from real time comments. the Palm OS Garnet runs on the N800? Usefully? Apr 15 16:49:39 i have allot of ideas Apr 15 16:49:53 i dont see the need for that Apr 15 16:50:35 a good PIM.. Nokia thinks we are all nothing more that a single phone number and an email address Apr 15 16:50:52 lol Apr 15 16:51:01 oh, and a thinmbnail pic Apr 15 16:51:15 btw some devs should work on some hardcore sip/voip intergration with the phone Apr 15 16:51:39 btw anyone got good high-res gutted n810 n800 pics? Apr 15 16:51:56 that would save me the trouble of learning enough about programing to write a good pim for them! Apr 15 16:53:03 fuck that, opensource ftw Apr 15 16:53:43 hopefully my usb dac/amp setup will work with canola and flac files and make a uber pmp Apr 15 16:54:08 im gonna work on usb networking and other gizmos via usb, porting drivers etc Apr 15 16:54:10 so far, I have not seen anything for OS2008 that is worthy of my palm or windows mobile devices for PIM functionality Apr 15 16:54:20 yea Apr 15 16:54:26 windows mobile rules for that Apr 15 16:54:35 activesync with calendar Apr 15 16:54:57 we could port thunderbird but that has too many overheads Apr 15 16:54:58 it does, and I wish anyone else would kick their butts at that! Apr 15 16:55:23 i love the today plugins on wm Apr 15 16:55:24 yeah, and google apps/cal/mail is great but only if u can be online Apr 15 16:55:54 which is'nt a problem for me since i use an unlimited 3g data plan Apr 15 16:56:14 me too. I think that would be easy to do. the PIM part takes smarter ppl than me or much more time if I gotta do it :) Apr 15 16:56:33 by the time it works Apr 15 16:56:43 i doubt it will be of very much use Apr 15 16:56:45 I live on Lake Superior. Really spotty cell coverage here.... Apr 15 16:56:49 lol Apr 15 17:08:09 are there any maemo apps that can do strait recording from the webcam? Apr 15 17:45:15 Any video chat users here? Apr 15 17:45:56 I need to know whether I'll be able to use the n800 for a video job interview.. I have no idea what software the client will ask me to use Apr 15 17:46:28 Then we can't answer you. Apr 15 17:46:33 So I just want to be prepared w/ something mainstream.. something that's compatible with what desktop users use Apr 15 17:46:51 It seems likely that they'd choose to use Skype Apr 15 17:46:55 In which case, no. Apr 15 17:47:00 But there are no guarantees. Apr 15 17:47:18 Gizmo, SIP or MSN are "yes" Apr 15 17:47:49 Right.. I didn't figure there would be a guarantee.. maybe I'll see about getting gizmo going w/ video chat Apr 15 17:49:29 I'm way out in the sticks.. and I'll be damned if I have to drag a desktop computer into a hotspot area just so the client can see who they're interviewing.. but I at least want to accommodate some practical options w/ the NIT Apr 15 17:49:49 Gizmo would be my main recommendation. Apr 15 17:50:07 thanks Apr 15 17:51:22 I didn't know that Gizmo for Maemo did video. Apr 15 17:51:33 Has for a while. Apr 15 17:51:50 that's great. I am really glad to know that Apr 15 17:52:59 No OS X support until they get around to releasing the 4.0 client for it, though. Apr 15 17:53:11 Should be sometime in the next few months. Apr 15 17:55:29 I'm a little confused on the pricing for gizmoproject.. I've been using it to receive inbound calls since back when they were called sipphone.. but the gizmo project website quotes prices for inbound and outbound calls Apr 15 17:55:51 I haven't had to pay anything for inbound calls Apr 15 17:55:59 ~$35/mo for a line-in Apr 15 17:56:09 Landline number that will dial your Gizmo account. Apr 15 17:56:34 $0.03 per minute for call-out (or something close). Apr 15 17:56:48 Receiving calls on your Gizmo number is free, though. Apr 15 17:56:57 ah, that makes sense.. grandcentral gets around that.. that's why i haven't had to pay anything Apr 15 17:57:14 it went up a cent? Apr 15 17:57:18 ZOMG Apr 15 17:57:25 Or I could be wrong. :P Apr 15 17:57:36 So I pay about $55 a year for Gizmo Apr 15 17:57:45 $35 for line-in and $20 for minutes. Apr 15 17:58:35 It's 35 a year? Apr 15 17:59:05 For a landline number people can call. Apr 15 17:59:16 That may or may not be useful for you. Apr 15 17:59:31 Yeah, I thought it was per month Apr 15 17:59:33 which irked me Apr 15 17:59:36 Ha Apr 15 17:59:59 For the US, its .019 cents per minutes Apr 15 18:00:06 s/es/s/ Apr 15 18:00:06 Navi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minuts Apr 15 18:00:12 s/es/e/ Apr 15 18:00:12 Navi meant: For the US, its .019 cents per minute Apr 15 18:00:40 y not get a grandcentral acct, GA? Apr 15 18:00:46 I have one. Apr 15 18:01:11 then you shouldn't have to pay gizmoproject anything to receive calls Apr 15 18:01:28 (since all the calls appear to originate from the net) Apr 15 18:01:52 Meh, sometimes I like to have certain people call Gizmo directly. Apr 15 18:01:57 Not too worried about $35 a year. Apr 15 18:02:40 Does any irc client exists for n810? Apr 15 18:02:50 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Apr 15 18:03:05 Oho Apr 15 18:05:31 So i'm in Gizmo5, and when I pop out the camera, it doesn't detect it, and show an image -- like the "internet call" software did in OS2007 Apr 15 18:06:18 Is gizmo5 the right app for gizmoproject video chat? Apr 15 18:14:17 I had some troubles with the last gizmo update (a week agao) Apr 15 18:15:11 the video from the n810 to the n800 was broken (green) and 4 times two small Apr 15 18:18:29 keesj, how do you get gizmo5 to even start showing video? Apr 15 18:18:52 Does a connection have to be made first? Apr 15 18:19:05 I think you need a connection Apr 15 18:19:11 do you want to try with me? Apr 15 18:19:47 sure.. but it won't be pretty.. I'm out in the sticks.. on a 1xRTT connection Apr 15 18:21:14 try freakingtux (my shadow accout) Apr 15 18:21:43 but I will not be pretty either Apr 15 18:22:09 i'd just like to see if I can connect and get video Apr 15 18:22:16 yes sure Apr 15 18:23:01 i don't recall how to switch to private chat in IRC (it's been 10 years since I used IRC proficiently) Apr 15 18:23:21 /msg nickname bla but you already have my accout Apr 15 18:28:52 unixSnob: /query nickname; but note that you must be authenticated with nickserv in order to have a private chat on freenode Apr 15 18:31:33 thanks.. i have it working now Apr 15 18:32:08 www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk XXX BRUNETTES Apr 15 18:32:48 woo!! Apr 15 18:32:52 * Mousey goes there right away!! Apr 15 18:32:55 wait, Apr 15 18:33:04 * Mousey switches to a windows box, for the full experience! Apr 15 18:34:18 you just missed him Apr 15 18:35:18 damm Apr 15 18:35:44 tcl.tk is a better domain Apr 15 18:35:55 as far as .tk goes Apr 15 18:50:18 why does it always pour? Apr 15 18:50:48 god is pissing Apr 15 18:51:40 then he must be desperate, things just cascade Apr 15 18:51:58 SprinklePiss (tm) Apr 15 18:52:03 by God (r) Apr 15 18:52:43 incidentally, as a FYI to everyone with n810s - you yknow how you rest your chin in your hand with elbow on the desk.. Apr 15 18:53:16 ytou slipped and smashed your n810? Apr 15 18:53:20 the 810 screen supports it.. my missus just nearly put her elbow through it Apr 15 18:53:23 no Apr 15 18:53:33 thankfully, but it would have been another part of the cascade Apr 15 18:55:56 thats too close Apr 15 18:56:14 I'd kill myself if my n800 broke Apr 15 18:56:32 or, i would mean to kill myself, but due to the lack of a todo list i would forget it and live on in misery instead Apr 15 18:57:07 then i would forget to eat, sleep and go to the toilet so i'd die from starvation, tired as hell in my own droppings Apr 15 18:57:47 you must have a third-party todo application Apr 15 18:57:50 I wonder what's the pressure value for the elbow-press event Apr 15 18:58:30 shame my program wasnt running,but i would imagine somewhere between OUCH and ONE AT A TIME PLEASE Apr 15 18:58:42 gpoe todo ftw Apr 15 18:58:46 *gpe Apr 15 18:58:56 [/on topic] Apr 15 18:59:18 do you think they used the todo when writing the todo? Apr 15 18:59:42 chicken and the egg... to make a todo list, you need a todo list to remember what to...do Apr 15 18:59:58 Has anybody tried running zipslack using DosBox? Apr 15 19:00:03 i suppose you could bootstrap it with notepad or something Apr 15 19:00:38 anyway, ive got wallowing in self puty to do, back later Apr 15 19:00:42 pity even Apr 15 19:00:56 why? your it survived Apr 15 19:01:07 but i was meant to get an eee tonight Apr 15 19:01:14 and my mouse is dead Apr 15 19:01:18 but.....? Apr 15 19:01:23 why no eee? Apr 15 19:01:26 finances Apr 15 19:01:36 feel your pain Apr 15 19:01:42 got the internet bill for 3 months today Apr 15 19:01:44 ewww Apr 15 19:01:45 even though no outpayment required until return from linuxtag Apr 15 19:01:46 bills Apr 15 19:01:54 we have other things to pay for Apr 15 19:02:27 (my missus used the shoe analogy: you would freak if i went out and spent £250 on shoes..) Apr 15 19:02:40 shows dont have wifi Apr 15 19:02:43 *shoes Apr 15 19:02:54 for £250 they aught to Apr 15 19:02:59 and you wouldnt step on your eee Apr 15 19:03:34 what do you need an eee for anyways? Apr 15 19:03:40 no, im gonna spend a couple of days/weeks looking for a wifi laptop for a loan and stick ubuntu on it Apr 15 19:04:20 i cant do full dev on my 810 (yet) and im goin to linuxtag - time alone in a hotel room is nice as long as ive got an ide to develop on Apr 15 19:04:31 lol Apr 15 19:05:18 ill end up getting one anyway if i cant solve this, but the money could be better spent elsewhere Apr 15 19:05:54 I wonder about the eee sometimes Apr 15 19:06:32 you could probably get used to the small keyboard & screen Apr 15 19:06:39 i might just do it on the cheap and get a magnifying glass for my 810 Apr 15 19:07:09 same resolution so i dont need a bigger screen Apr 15 19:07:13 if i could get the required toolchain on the 810 simply enough it would work Apr 15 19:08:08 TODO LIST!! Apr 15 19:08:11 totally forgot Apr 15 19:08:12 * Mousey installs Apr 15 19:08:20 lcuk|meh: indeed, I now have real tools installed on the tablet and I really can develop while on the target Apr 15 19:08:23 ooookay Apr 15 19:08:44 keesj, i have heard its available Apr 15 19:09:06 I am talking about a compiler and such Apr 15 19:09:10 despite my initial preconceptions, turns out I do like the n810's built-in keyboard Apr 15 19:09:22 (I use mamona but I guess poky is just as good :P ) Apr 15 19:09:23 dude, the n810's keyboard is the only reason i got it Apr 15 19:09:24 so, can you (for instance) build sdl apps? or x apps? are the dev versions of the libraries available Apr 15 19:09:27 we just tested gizmo5 video chat from the USA (1xRTT connection) to Netherlands.. it was completely unusuable.. not even the audio worked well enough. I'm tempted to blame the 1xRTT though Apr 15 19:10:03 mgedmin, the 810 keyboard is great OTG, but i much prefer my apple wireless kb Apr 15 19:10:28 the lack of hw keyboard on the 800 is the ONLY reason i didn't get one Apr 15 19:10:36 same here Apr 15 19:10:40 i'll get an 800 now anyway for USB storage for my n810 tho. ;) Apr 15 19:10:53 lcuk|meh: I have both, and I prefer the built-in one Apr 15 19:11:06 800 is well within acceptable price :) Apr 15 19:11:06 sliding the top is faster than getting the apple keyboard from a desk drawer ;) Apr 15 19:11:09 n810 <-usb-> n800+2x32GBSDHCSD Apr 15 19:11:12 =woot! Apr 15 19:11:20 i just use the n800's onscreen keyboard Apr 15 19:11:26 no where near as fast Apr 15 19:11:35 but still pretty good Apr 15 19:11:37 seriously Apr 15 19:11:42 useless Apr 15 19:11:51 what you get in keyboard, you lose in screen real estate Apr 15 19:11:52 nah, quite useful for editing text in vim Apr 15 19:12:13 depends what you are typing, you can hack up a completely custom keyboard and do 99% of your normal typing direct Apr 15 19:12:13 not that i'm tryna poopoo on people's <3 for the screenkeyboard, i'm just so happy i have a hw one instead =) Apr 15 19:12:24 i would add a "lol" key Apr 15 19:12:34 i would add a fucking | key Apr 15 19:12:38 excuse my french Apr 15 19:13:00 i would rather have a tab key on 810 real kb than a "fucking |" key ;) Apr 15 19:13:08 haha Apr 15 19:13:10 yes and { and }! Apr 15 19:13:31 if i just had the brains to figure out how to remap the damn pound and yen keys which i'd NEVER ever use Apr 15 19:13:39 I can not even write hello world in c on my tablet! Apr 15 19:13:44 oh, and euro key Apr 15 19:14:06 keesj, case of having the tools but no way to use them Apr 15 19:14:26 what in the WORLD was nokia thinking i need all those frickin currency keys? Apr 15 19:14:26 unless I do some #define BEGIN { Apr 15 19:14:31 when {} and | would be so nice Apr 15 19:14:38 or [] even Apr 15 19:14:45 if [ Apr 15 19:14:57 I tried to add them to the menu options of the xterminal this morning but it did not work Apr 15 19:15:12 OH, and i tried to make a pipe shortcut in the xterm Apr 15 19:15:13 I need a 1337 keyboard layout Apr 15 19:15:13 the currency keys are more frustrating because you cannot tell the clock you are in a different time zone Apr 15 19:15:15 FAIL! Apr 15 19:15:18 keesj: digraphs!!! :-) Apr 15 19:15:27 yikes Apr 15 19:15:30 Mousey: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/#comment-226251 Apr 15 19:15:41 pH5: you ROCK Apr 15 19:15:52 nah. google does Apr 15 19:16:02 xterm's shortcuts are l337 h4ckery Apr 15 19:16:02 :) Apr 15 19:16:07 you have to know X11 keysym names Apr 15 19:16:12 oh, im writing an alarm replacement by the way - i hate waking up in the morning and having to search for the tinyest of little stylus oriented buttons when i just wanna whack snooze Apr 15 19:16:32 SO AWESOME!!!!!! Apr 15 19:16:48 i need more muscletone in my googlefingers Apr 15 19:16:53 and it should/will also be configurable to only go off on weekdays. Apr 15 19:17:10 lcuk|meh: is the alarm reliable for you? Apr 15 19:17:31 yes, but it has annoying quirks Apr 15 19:17:35 lcuk|meh: that would be most welcome. setting the alarm is a bit ugly right now. Apr 15 19:17:38 when I tried using alarms, I noticed that they just stopped working after a week or so Apr 15 19:17:50 or going off hours later than they should Apr 15 19:18:13 have you noticed it you switch it from weekly to daily it wont go off until it thought it was due based on the weekly schedule? Apr 15 19:18:34 no, I never had it on weekly Apr 15 19:18:46 I wanted daily alarms, but couldn't get them Apr 15 19:19:01 i switch it to weekly as a hack so i dont have to delete and reenter after the weekend Apr 15 19:19:04 and on a day when my n800 missed the alarm, it showed it only when I manually went online Apr 15 19:19:24 there's a bug on maemo.org somewhere, but it never went anywhere Apr 15 19:19:56 the alarm app apparently has some kind of user-recognition and hides the bug from everybody else, so it's just me who can reproduce it ;) Apr 15 19:20:51 mgedmin, there is specific code: if(camera.recognise("mgedmin")){ alarm.randomize() } Apr 15 19:36:21 hello folks i am using n810 from India, what GPS limitations i am likely to face on n810 ? Apr 15 19:36:37 * KevinVerma a gps newbie Apr 15 19:40:30 GPS limitations? Apr 15 19:40:44 as in accuracy, lack of maps, or what? Apr 15 19:41:32 mgedmin, yeah i think lack of maps Apr 15 19:41:54 will maemo--mapper will be useful ? Apr 15 19:42:02 try MaemoMapper, it can use various web sources like openstreetmap, google maps, ms virtual earth Apr 15 19:43:13 mgedmin, thanks this assures that perhaps i am looking in right direction Apr 15 19:43:35 i'll feedback tomorrow Apr 15 19:44:50 also can some tell me if window-switch and back key on panel should have a led , that should lit in dark ? Apr 15 19:45:32 n810 is hard to use for widow switching and back key functions in dark without those Apr 15 19:45:41 window* Apr 15 19:46:46 mine doesn't have a led Apr 15 19:47:19 I wondered about too Apr 15 19:47:24 but haven't missed it too much Apr 15 19:47:28 maybe there was none in design specs at all Apr 15 19:49:10 btw i also twitted my n810 first impressions today - http://twitter.com/kevinverma Apr 15 19:50:34 i hope to blog in details later, i hope i have good judgements of n810 design, or will like to know more Apr 15 19:58:59 is someone else facing gmail-imap server port problem with modest ? Apr 15 19:59:26 also for lastfm on canola ? in-correct login Apr 15 19:59:35 same for valgume Apr 15 20:04:55 looks modest is failing to connect to gmail imap sever, but maemo mail app works Apr 15 20:06:09 dunno if some dbus quirk, let me reboot Apr 15 20:06:52 claws mail is the master of epic imap failing Apr 15 20:07:12 and when it cant connect, it just sits there saying "connecting" Apr 15 20:07:21 so you have to kill the thing Apr 15 20:07:27 wouldnt kill them to make a cancel button Apr 15 20:12:13 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/qt_to_be_supported_in_addition_to_gtk.html Apr 15 20:13:25 qt will be good, my boss has heard of it ;) Apr 15 20:14:17 I hope they'll make the themes look the same Apr 15 20:14:41 keesj, was there something you wanted to talk about last night Apr 15 20:14:51 note, modest last update breaks gmail somewhat, bit it should be fixed soon Apr 15 20:15:48 time to go to bed.. Apr 15 20:16:14 nm, then catch me when you are awake Apr 15 20:18:15 yawn Apr 15 20:18:28 morning? or late? Apr 15 20:18:33 i should really get some sleep Apr 15 20:18:50 i really should go hunting through some code Apr 15 20:19:00 i havent opened vmware since dr who Apr 15 20:19:09 :) Apr 15 20:19:14 at least you have slept Apr 15 20:19:21 good point Apr 15 20:19:43 you need a neural interface to irc so that you can sleep and chat at same time Apr 15 20:19:49 better not Apr 15 20:19:56 that could kill me Apr 15 20:19:59 lol Apr 15 20:20:06 hows the c book Apr 15 20:20:13 and i won't trust neural interfaces sold in us Apr 15 20:20:25 c book is waiting Apr 15 20:20:51 i was helping someone with papers Apr 15 20:21:02 and i hate beaurocracy Apr 15 20:21:13 and going from building to building Apr 15 20:21:16 and back Apr 15 20:21:21 and again Apr 15 20:22:16 this system should generate money itself and leave people free Apr 15 20:22:16 :( not good Apr 15 20:22:17 :) Apr 15 20:22:42 they should allow people to walk on human sized hamster wheels instead of out on the streets Apr 15 20:22:47 at least hten you would save the environment Apr 15 20:23:06 * KotCzarny imagines computers generating money and spending it all by itself Apr 15 20:23:21 lcuk: methane Apr 15 20:23:23 ;) Apr 15 20:24:35 lol Apr 15 20:25:12 hi ssvb Apr 15 20:25:16 how's the code? Apr 15 20:25:59 hi KotCzarny Apr 15 20:26:59 tagged a new mplayer release: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/1.0rc1-maemo.27/?root=mplayer Apr 15 20:27:17 it has some bugfixes and AAC decoding optimizations Apr 15 20:27:23 hmm Apr 15 20:27:28 gst not touched? Apr 15 20:27:49 will need to find time to test it and upload .deb packages to extras-devel repository Apr 15 20:28:01 yes, gst is not touched Apr 15 20:28:05 :/ Apr 15 20:28:26 you are free to hack it yourself :) Apr 15 20:28:31 i will Apr 15 20:28:39 because it's a killer feature to have :) Apr 15 20:29:55 so much code, so little time Apr 15 20:30:45 what about controlling ARM/DSP frequency? Is it possible to set 400/133 mode without patching kernel? Or is it possible to have a kernel patch to keep frequency at 400/133 while mplayer process is running? Apr 15 20:31:28 it's a table of frequencies Apr 15 20:31:39 so it should be fairly easy to add sysfs interface Apr 15 20:31:44 a good solution to this problem would increase motivation in trying to get this gst stuff working :) Apr 15 20:33:18 humhum Apr 15 20:33:26 well, could you try to make some clean patch and negotiate its inclusion into fanoush's kernels for example: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ ? Apr 15 20:33:35 hmm Apr 15 20:33:47 fanoush doesn't do irc, but i can try pm on itt Apr 15 20:34:50 yes, he is also reachable via e-mail Apr 15 20:35:08 ok Apr 15 20:35:14 that's something i can do Apr 15 20:35:25 i'll report when i do Apr 15 20:35:26 :) Apr 15 20:35:36 ok :) Apr 15 20:35:53 because it's definitely worth it Apr 15 20:36:21 btw. how about mplayer misdetecting alsa buffers? Apr 15 20:36:42 patch is welcome :) Apr 15 20:36:49 with default config it stuttered Apr 15 20:36:54 i had to edit asound.conf Apr 15 20:36:55 :) Apr 15 20:37:15 message was something about 2kb buffer Apr 15 20:38:33 heh Apr 15 20:38:45 maemo.org freaked on diff view Apr 15 20:38:56 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tags/1.0rc1-maemo.27/ChangeLog?root=mplayer&r1=341&r2=82&diff_format=h Apr 15 20:38:57 ;) Apr 15 20:39:19 yesterday I noticed that mplayer exits when I press the Home key to switch apps Apr 15 20:39:32 bug? unfortunate default keybinding? Apr 15 20:40:03 mgedmin: maybe Apr 15 20:41:43 ssvb: another question, why is tv interface disabled? Apr 15 20:41:50 it works flawlessly with built in cam Apr 15 20:42:00 for mencoder/mplayer Apr 15 20:42:26 KotCzarny: because nobody reported how to enable and test it? ;) Apr 15 20:42:30 lol Apr 15 20:42:33 ok Apr 15 20:42:36 i report, it works! Apr 15 20:42:37 :) Apr 15 20:42:46 as for build just remove the --disable-tv switch Apr 15 20:42:48 ;) Apr 15 20:42:53 what needs to be changed to enable it? Apr 15 20:43:06 let me check my config.cache Apr 15 20:43:08 is it one of the configure options? Apr 15 20:43:11 yes Apr 15 20:43:25 and you should build mencoder too Apr 15 20:43:33 as it also works (with minor correction) Apr 15 20:43:38 cool Apr 15 20:43:49 how do you use it? mencoder tv:// filename.avi? Apr 15 20:44:02 i can check exact cmd line later Apr 15 20:44:13 for now you can try googling for: kotczarny tv Apr 15 20:44:14 :) Apr 15 20:44:33 ssvb, KotCzarny: I use this patch to force 400/133 via sysfs: http://en.pastebin.ca/986472 Apr 15 20:44:56 cool Apr 15 20:45:26 if we get it into community kernel (fanoush's) more projects could benefit :) Apr 15 20:45:28 siemka Apr 15 20:46:15 halo\ Apr 15 20:46:41 jest tu kto Apr 15 20:47:27 KotCzarny: just committed a change to remove '--disable-tv' configure option Apr 15 20:47:33 ph5: how do you use it? Apr 15 20:47:37 KotCzarny: you could kindly ask him to include something like this if you ping him anyway Apr 15 20:47:43 ssvb: cool, does it build? Apr 15 20:47:47 KotCzarny: echo 0 > /sys/power/op_dsp to force OP_0 Apr 15 20:47:57 pl?? Apr 15 20:48:03 random question: does the gps chip on the n810 support WAAS/EGNOS? Apr 15 20:48:05 echo 1 > /sys/power/op_dsp to go back to normal (OP_1) Apr 15 20:48:35 changing this only works when there is no dsptask running, otherwise the write is ignored Apr 15 20:48:45 hmm Apr 15 20:49:02 is it permanent? (until reboot of course) Apr 15 20:50:13 KotCzarny: it only changes the DSP operating point that dvfs locks to as soon as a dynamic dsptask is started Apr 15 20:50:16 IT WORKS!! I HAVE A | KEY!!!! Apr 15 20:50:21 * Mousey huggles #maemo again Apr 15 20:50:39 Mousey: you know smoking is harmful to your health, right? Apr 15 20:50:59 mgedmin: depends what you put in your | i guess Apr 15 20:51:04 ph5: so i assume, change op mode, run mplayer and it uses 400/133 instead of 330/220 ? Apr 15 20:51:12 yes Apr 15 20:51:27 great Apr 15 20:51:44 * Mousey smells a smokin' n800 Apr 15 20:51:46 ^_^ Apr 15 20:52:04 you can also just use it to have a better browsing experience while playing mp3 in the background Apr 15 20:53:09 only remember to set it back to 330/220 when you want to try that mixing 3 concurrent mp3 streams corner case scenario that needs all dsp's horsepower :) Apr 15 20:54:47 hmm Apr 15 20:55:01 :) Apr 15 20:55:12 ok, message sent Apr 15 20:55:16 pH5: I also wonder about power consumption, wouldn't ARM mp3 decoder running at 165MHz consume less power than DSP? Apr 15 20:55:58 pcm is also dsp Apr 15 20:56:29 KotCzarny: pcm is a static dsp task Apr 15 20:56:46 only if you use it directly, and not with esd Apr 15 20:56:54 (if i remember correctly) Apr 15 20:57:12 i think there was a bug that 2 pcm tasks were static and 2 were dynamic Apr 15 20:57:13 ssvb: I guess that's a question for Igor Stoppa Apr 15 20:57:42 165MHz takes less energy because the voltage is lower Apr 15 20:57:46 it's easy to check though Apr 15 20:58:29 otoh at 400MHz the arm cpu can idle longer, so I'm not sure if power efficiency increases a lot Apr 15 20:58:55 is aac decoding possible with dsp at 133 ? Apr 15 20:59:00 pH5: in the current default OS2008 setup, DSP looks pretty useless... Apr 15 20:59:26 pH5: I find that statement interesting. Usually processors with a higher clock rate have a lower voltage level. Apr 15 20:59:52 i find it if want to up the mhz on my processor i have to bump up the voltage ;) Apr 15 20:59:52 hmm Apr 15 21:00:02 KotCzarny: maybe, I estimate that it should be possible to do AAC decoding with 70MHz of ARM frequency Apr 15 21:00:02 gomiam, those processers also tend to be newer and more energy efficient. Apr 15 21:00:06 gomiam: are you sure? pentium-m requires more volts at higher clocks Apr 15 21:00:49 as the clock gets higher the voltage spikes spread out, you need to bump up the v's to ensure signal clarity Apr 15 21:00:54 gomiam: they are just forced to use lower voltage, otherwise power consumption would be too high Apr 15 21:01:45 it would be great if you could lower the voltage (and hence power consumption) and end up with a higher clock Apr 15 21:02:05 but those things normally only come from a die shrink Apr 15 21:02:17 afaik core voltage is varied between 1.375V @ 400MHz and 1.225 @ 165MHz mpu Apr 15 21:02:47 s/k/u/ Apr 15 21:02:48 pH5 meant: afaiu core voltage is varied between 1.375V @ 400MHz and 1.225 @ 165MHz mpu Apr 15 21:04:10 kot, does all this talk of dsp matters mean you are delving into it on here and will become jedi dsp coder? Apr 15 21:04:13 KotCzarny: reading the Wikipedia one would conclude that voltage will get lower with each new processor (among other things, because having more integration allows faster signal propagation). The Pentium family, for example, has evolved from 5 volts to less than one volt in some Pentium-M implementations. Apr 15 21:04:16 ph5: is there a way to control that voltage? Apr 15 21:04:27 gomiam: yes, "new generation" Apr 15 21:04:41 gomiam: so technology is different and you can't compare it Apr 15 21:05:01 ssvb: I figure the ARM running at full for those 70MHz takes more power than the DSP doing the same task and the ARM idling Apr 15 21:05:05 lcuk: nope, i'm just a hacker, and for dsp i would need to know assembler :) Apr 15 21:05:13 otherwise the dsp indeed wouldn't be all that useful Apr 15 21:05:15 KotCzarny: so the technology isn't necessarilly different (there are two voltage ratings for Pentium-M for example) and you can compare. Apr 15 21:05:24 gomiam, new generation normally == die shrink, the original pentium used large scale transistors, every new generation has been smaller and smaller transistors which require less vs to trigger the gates Apr 15 21:05:40 lcuk: and that doesn't detract from my point Apr 15 21:05:46 btw, does anybody have a sample of video encoded with nokia video convertor? I have never seen such a file yet :) Apr 15 21:05:56 lcuk: if anything, it explains it. Apr 15 21:06:04 it does because we are discussing changing the speed of the cpu inside our n8x0 Apr 15 21:06:18 which unless i am mistaken cannot be removed and changed Apr 15 21:06:25 gomiam: my point was that on the same processor, if you scale clock rate you have to supply enough volts Apr 15 21:06:52 gomiam: and it's more volts when more mhz is requested Apr 15 21:07:05 ssvb, i normally use it only for large files, just get it yourself and convert one or two Apr 15 21:07:09 KotCzarny: the dvfs code has a hard-wired table of operating points. I guess those voltage/frequency combinations are approved by TI. Apr 15 21:07:21 ssvb: how about adding mencoder build? simple switch and adding one or two variables missing from the mplayer.c to mencoder.c Apr 15 21:07:43 lcuk: isn't it a windows only application? Apr 15 21:07:44 KotCzarny: not necessarilly. That only happens when you get out of the stable clock range of the processor. On other matters, it seems there is a project for core voltage control on Linux Apr 15 21:07:48 ph5: do you know if someone tried to play with them? Apr 15 21:07:59 gomiam: i undervolt my cpu Apr 15 21:08:00 ssvb, ahhh you have no windows. Apr 15 21:08:13 KotCzarny: good for you :-) Apr 15 21:08:31 gomiam: i hate spinning fan in my laptop, and it's the only way :) Apr 15 21:08:57 you could add a heatpipe and a big cooler flower :) Apr 15 21:09:07 there is a risk, but so far no corruption/crashes Apr 15 21:09:22 lcuk: it's a ultraportable series, read: no space :) Apr 15 21:09:24 KotCzarny: nope, no idea. Apr 15 21:09:27 KotCzarny: true, true. Don't tell me about it: my laptop's fan exahust is on the right side, just where I usually put the mouse. Than hand never gets cold XD Apr 15 21:09:28 i could never run my 1.4ghz thunderbird at fullspeed Apr 15 21:09:54 thunderbird, the hungry cpu Apr 15 21:10:01 (not as p4, but still) Apr 15 21:10:02 :) Apr 15 21:10:20 hungry? the lights dimmed when i started playing games, and because of the fan noise i had no need for a sound card Apr 15 21:10:46 * pH5 has a p4m laptop, cpu fans are consumables on this thing Apr 15 21:10:48 p4 is better in unoptimum cooling conditions though Apr 15 21:10:53 lcuk: how good is the freq response? ;) Apr 15 21:11:10 lcuk: my girls p4 never goes lower than 60-70C Apr 15 21:11:11 ;) Apr 15 21:11:41 you should really plug the fan back in on hers Apr 15 21:11:49 hehe Apr 15 21:11:51 it's on Apr 15 21:11:57 but still not enough Apr 15 21:12:00 then something is wrong Apr 15 21:12:04 and i don't like p4 so i wait till it dies Apr 15 21:12:05 ;) Apr 15 21:12:20 pentium-m is soo much more efficient Apr 15 21:12:22 i dont think ive ever seen a pentium actually die Apr 15 21:12:41 lcuk: i hope for thunderstorms Apr 15 21:12:42 ;) Apr 15 21:12:47 ive blown most cpus and motherboards in my time Apr 15 21:13:01 just get her an m anyway Apr 15 21:13:05 tell her to install it herself Apr 15 21:13:09 yup Apr 15 21:13:15 i got her an x41-tablet Apr 15 21:13:57 could you get me one as well ;) Apr 15 21:14:02 heh Apr 15 21:14:08 ! Apr 15 21:14:13 it's hdd is slow Apr 15 21:14:25 but fan is surprisingly quiet Apr 15 21:16:19 and ide-sata bridge is a bummer. Apr 15 21:16:32 Hola Apr 15 21:17:09 anyone here make international calls from a grandcentral phonebook? Apr 15 21:20:27 hi tama Apr 15 21:20:34 unixSnob, nope, never tried Apr 15 21:20:42 Hi lcuk Apr 15 21:20:47 hows tricks Apr 15 21:27:16 anybody got a lead on a stable cron daemon? Apr 15 21:28:44 hey folks Apr 15 21:29:03 hi NeoStrider_ Apr 15 21:29:13 whats up? Apr 15 21:29:37 Mousey, didnt think it was available Apr 15 21:29:48 Hme yawns Apr 15 21:30:18 * Mousey cries Apr 15 21:30:26 Mousey: there was a release of one based on alarmd on maemo-* recently Apr 15 21:30:34 yah, found a thread Apr 15 21:31:22 what's the problem with cron? Apr 15 21:31:24 O.o Apr 15 21:31:36 ie. i can't imagine why it could be unstable Apr 15 21:31:37 :) Apr 15 21:32:21 Well, it's a reimplementation of the external interface Apr 15 21:34:08 But it's fairly simple stuff Apr 15 21:34:47 lol Apr 15 21:37:46 mmm ... is anybody else having problems accessing Slashdot? Apr 15 21:38:16 lemme try Apr 15 21:38:42 idle.slashdot.org seems to work, but the rest of the system seems to be 503'ed Apr 15 21:38:43 o/ Apr 15 21:38:56 cmdr taco must have be sleeping Apr 15 21:39:15 ah, it might be that XD Apr 15 21:39:38 their bewoulf cluster of 770s must be out of batteries =-P Apr 15 21:39:51 maybe they're upgrading to n800's Apr 15 21:40:24 mgedmin: nah, they are buying WiMax N810's in bulk. They have much better connection speeds, you know ;-) Apr 15 21:40:41 so they're still setting sbox Apr 15 21:41:11 by the way, wasn't WiMax the standard with different standards for mobile and stationary products? Apr 15 21:41:12 (I dont know...maemo still uses sbox? Im so It2006 ...) Apr 15 21:41:26 sbox is nice Apr 15 21:41:27 :) Apr 15 21:41:34 yes...I kind of like it Apr 15 21:41:38 let's one try misc libs Apr 15 21:41:39 I cant see why ppl hate it? Apr 15 21:41:52 NeoStrider_: it's a conspiracy, I tell you :-D Apr 15 21:41:57 because people will always hate something that doesn't work on the first try Apr 15 21:42:29 hahhahaha Apr 15 21:42:30 oh, neither do I. That might explain some things :-P Apr 15 21:42:36 sbox doesnt work on the first 54935 tries Apr 15 21:42:48 but eventually you get the hattrick to make it work Apr 15 21:42:51 sbox is a bit baroque Apr 15 21:43:06 and a bit heavy (2 gigs!) Apr 15 21:43:14 Why have a whole 'nother OS which duplicates a load of stuff you've already got; is bloated and (was) a PITA to install. Can't use existing favourite editors and IDEs easily and raisxes the barrier to entry. Apr 15 21:43:16 gomiam, you broke slashdot Apr 15 21:43:33 lcuk: mwahahah (lifts pinky to mouth) Apr 15 21:43:34 How about that for reasons people have tended to dislike sbox? Apr 15 21:43:47 Jaffa: I can easily use IDEs with my SBOX 0.98 Apr 15 21:44:08 sbox2 looks interesting, if it gains more traction Apr 15 21:44:18 Its just a matter of knowing where to look for things Apr 15 21:44:43 Always a plus point for making it easy to develop things... Apr 15 21:44:58 it was easier to settup then in my S60 experiences hehe Apr 15 21:45:10 i would like to go out and purchase a device and have the devkit installable on win/linux/mac and be ready to go Apr 15 21:45:28 I want to port webkit to my ezx device Apr 15 21:45:32 Besides, it's relatively recently that that stuff's improved, and ppl have long memories over bad tooling (IME) Apr 15 21:45:37 NeoStrider_, hate to say it, but it was for pocket pc as well - BUT - the problem there is you were limited to one single way to do it Apr 15 21:45:38 thats gonna be fun Apr 15 21:46:06 lcuk: vmware image Apr 15 21:46:17 I want a virtual machine with full 770/n8x0 hardware emulation Apr 15 21:46:24 will work on the choices you have :) Apr 15 21:46:39 how are you going to test your newly-ported package works on various versions of stock OS images? Apr 15 21:46:48 not by buying 5 devices and reflashing every time Apr 15 21:47:06 i have it, but the ide is awful and using a hand crafted toolkit gets things working but still requires an awful lot of knowledge. imagine if you needed to install an alien operating system and learn how to use it before you could develop on xdevice Apr 15 21:47:08 KotCzarny: Again recent. Even more bloat (tho' low barrier to entry - unless you're on a Mac). Not well advertised as the best approach. Apr 15 21:47:35 jaffa: huh? Apr 15 21:47:47 The VMware image. Apr 15 21:48:22 * Jaffa is on his N810, so typing's more painful than a proper computer ;-) Apr 15 21:48:23 but what was the question? Apr 15 21:48:45 btw. anyone had experiences with speech-to-text input mode? Apr 15 21:49:07 You said that the VMware image was the/an answer Apr 15 21:49:17 jaffa, vmware isnt low barrier - eclipse default ide is awful and there isnt really anything else ready and integrated without having enough linux confidence to walk around the console Apr 15 21:49:35 mcedit ftw! Apr 15 21:49:36 :) Apr 15 21:49:47 and thorough knowledge of the code Apr 15 21:49:47 * lcuk hits kot on the head with a midnight commander Apr 15 21:49:48 :) Apr 15 21:50:00 * KotCzarny embraces mc whole heartily Apr 15 21:50:15 lcuk: fair enuf. Not tried it and I like Eclipse for Java stuff, but it's been years since I tried the CDT Apr 15 21:50:26 cdt? Apr 15 21:50:30 sorry, I was absent Apr 15 21:50:38 C Development Toolkit Apr 15 21:50:43 :) Apr 15 21:50:49 lcuk: I hate to admit it, but the pocket pc development infrastructure is the best ever Apr 15 21:51:03 Eclipse plugins. Not Craft, Design and Technology ;-) Apr 15 21:51:22 eclipse is slow enough and bloated enough and has more than enough buttons that i go blind. Apr 15 21:51:35 iPhone SDK tooling looked impressive. Especially the debugging and performance analysis Apr 15 21:51:51 Canadian Deaf Theatre Apr 15 21:51:52 :) Apr 15 21:51:57 NeoStrider_, from a core development perspective it was nice. but because they push .net compact as default the actual end result was dire Apr 15 21:52:12 It's the modern emacs: very cool once you get taught it Apr 15 21:52:13 i would have kept a pocket pc if i am honest if i could have knocked on the hardware a bit more Apr 15 21:52:33 it was like only being able to code in python Apr 15 21:52:34 lcuk: I never tried compact .net I mean by the fact the its f... easy to debug it on device Apr 15 21:52:45 i never use the debugging Apr 15 21:53:07 well, we have to test it on the device at least once ;-) Apr 15 21:53:12 it was the code and run that got me - i have that now with a script which is better for me and fits my dev style Apr 15 21:53:39 i save my changes press up arrow/enter and my code is running on device Apr 15 21:53:51 if i ctrl c from big keyboard my program stops on the device Apr 15 21:53:57 i never get caught with loops etc Apr 15 21:53:57 thats what I love about ppc Apr 15 21:54:13 but that was technically the same as .net compact Apr 15 21:54:18 visul studio i mean Apr 15 21:54:24 now, compare it with my N-Gage development experience...debugging "device-only" bugs was pure hell Apr 15 21:54:32 :> Apr 15 21:54:40 neostrider: there's a python for s60 Apr 15 21:54:44 debugging? isnt that just usign the console Apr 15 21:54:46 with bt console i think Apr 15 21:54:53 I love native things ;-) Apr 15 21:54:55 lcuk: nice. shared that script? (Presumably it's an scp & ssh?) Apr 15 21:55:10 copious amounts of logging allow any problem to be solved easily Apr 15 21:55:14 sure jaffa, 2 seconds Apr 15 21:56:16 * Jaffa should sleep: marketing presentation tomorrow. First time I've been client facing for, oooh, 9 months? Apr 15 21:57:20 looks i have an issue with modest not connecting gmail imap due to cert diff. Apr 15 21:57:26 * NeoStrider_ gotta learn mkezx. BZK runs on Maemo (x) EeePC(x) EZX(?). leaving fellows! Apr 15 21:57:38 someone else faced same ? Apr 15 21:58:14 maemo default email app and claws-mail just works Apr 15 21:59:12 KevinVerma: rings a bell. Checked ITT? Apr 15 21:59:34 jaffa, not yet Apr 15 21:59:42 jaffa : http://pastebin.ca/986570 i just keep one of these per app i am developing, but you could alter to allow a few parameters Apr 15 21:59:56 quick, simple and dirty Apr 15 22:00:02 but gets tthe job done Apr 15 22:00:05 does ITT has a mailing list gateway ? Apr 15 22:00:10 * Jaffa starts modest: working for me against Gmail IMAP Apr 15 22:00:17 NAFAIK Apr 15 22:00:36 :( Apr 15 22:01:13 i did tried reinstall and also rm rf .modest Apr 15 22:01:33 * lcuk hopes he will NEVER have to use the console to delete things Apr 15 22:01:50 tried to run modest from term but got segfault Apr 15 22:02:06 lcuk: nice script Apr 15 22:02:28 it does the job for me Apr 15 22:02:56 Anyway, sleep time Apr 15 22:04:28 lcuk: why not? it's very easy and convenient Apr 15 22:04:38 (assuming you have shell with working name completion) Apr 15 22:04:46 or just install mc Apr 15 22:04:46 ;) Apr 15 22:04:47 why not what? Apr 15 22:05:10 shell for removing Apr 15 22:05:10 oh the params thing Apr 15 22:05:39 ahhh, ive heard too many horror stories, i like to see what i am doing Apr 15 22:05:46 :) Apr 15 22:05:54 i want to delete that, and that, and that and that and that Apr 15 22:06:08 it's like c :) Apr 15 22:06:22 i have coded up things in the past, but the console is just too... instant Apr 15 22:06:29 in c i can read the entire thing first Apr 15 22:06:31 hmm Apr 15 22:06:35 in the console one press of enter and its gone Apr 15 22:06:43 then always use rm with confirmation switch Apr 15 22:06:45 :) Apr 15 22:06:53 rm -i Apr 15 22:07:01 you can even make an alias Apr 15 22:07:13 but i am forgetful of options, you've seen my code - i keep variations around (even in this script here ^) Apr 15 22:07:13 to make it default in your shell Apr 15 22:07:26 not so scared of rm rf , been there done that Apr 15 22:07:29 no because then when i get onto someone elses shell i will think its there and fuck up Apr 15 22:07:33 no issue for me Apr 15 22:07:58 :) Apr 15 22:08:04 i am starting to learn that using the default tools is always best :) stick to what you KNOW is available inside a box and you cannot go wrong Apr 15 22:08:16 lcuk, for remote shells, use sshfs Apr 15 22:08:22 and remove it using local shell Apr 15 22:08:22 :) Apr 15 22:08:33 again, requires additional installation Apr 15 22:08:38 nope Apr 15 22:08:55 if it has sshd, most probably it has sftp enabled too Apr 15 22:09:00 unless admin is a nazi Apr 15 22:09:01 ;) Apr 15 22:09:01 yes - what if i am at work or at someones house or need to do something quick from wherever Apr 15 22:09:54 i am better being petrified of rm so that i become paranoid about using certain commands :) Apr 15 22:10:05 lcuk: then make an alias: alias rmi="rm -i" Apr 15 22:10:15 then if it's not available you will know that you need it Apr 15 22:10:16 :) Apr 15 22:10:17 you've seen how many typos i make Apr 15 22:10:37 seriously it appears maemo team need out of the box tools now, think packagekit and policykit maybe ? Apr 15 22:10:39 lcuk, how about backups? Apr 15 22:10:39 no convincing will make me feel comfortable about it :P Apr 15 22:11:02 seriously it appears maemo team need out of the box tools now, think packagekit and policykit maybe ? Apr 15 22:11:14 oops double post Apr 15 22:11:18 regrets Apr 15 22:11:50 KevinVerma, i would feel better having fully integrated dev available out of the box Apr 15 22:12:12 ic Apr 15 22:12:14 ie: base install with at least pygtkeditor and enough libraries Apr 15 22:12:41 packaging new things doesnt help without new things being made Apr 15 22:12:42 lcuk: bug vmwareimage people? Apr 15 22:12:59 vmware isnt the issue, i mean on device itself Apr 15 22:13:11 but there are space constraints Apr 15 22:13:16 yup Apr 15 22:13:17 brb Apr 15 22:23:17 Hey there, I have an n800 here and I'm trying to install xmame.install on it but it doesn't see the file on my network share Apr 15 22:24:00 should I just change the extension or something? Apr 15 22:31:46 hi Curs0r still there Apr 15 22:31:48 ? Apr 15 22:44:10 pupnik, I'm back Apr 15 22:46:01 i am not sure but the .install only seems to work for me from a webserver that hosts the file and serves it with mimetype application executeable Apr 15 22:46:41 It occurred to me a few minutes ago that that might be the case Apr 15 22:47:19 Next question, I have an arseload of divx files but it keeps saying filetype not supported in mplayer Apr 15 22:47:33 o.o Apr 15 22:47:40 care to share a sample? Apr 15 22:47:44 1-2mb should be enough Apr 15 22:47:55 I don't think I have anything under 350mb Apr 15 22:48:05 use dd Apr 15 22:48:16 eh? Apr 15 22:48:17 dd output.file bs=1M count=1 Apr 15 22:48:21 ok Apr 15 22:48:40 Ah, shoot, I'm on my windows box atm Apr 15 22:48:45 :) Apr 15 22:48:54 do it from your 800 Apr 15 22:48:59 then cut it on y.. Apr 15 22:49:00 yeah Apr 15 22:49:02 :) Apr 15 22:49:15 Sadly it just walked out the door with my brother :( Apr 15 22:49:23 We'll have to pick that up in a bit Apr 15 22:49:27 alrighty Apr 15 22:49:32 then it's hard to debug Apr 15 22:49:38 infact, this is the problem ssvb is having isnt it Apr 15 22:49:53 ie no1 can supply example files to debug Apr 15 22:50:13 lcuk: i have never seen him saying that Apr 15 22:50:17 was it on some list? Apr 15 22:50:22 i thought he did earlier Apr 15 22:50:27 2 mins ill see Apr 15 22:50:57 whats the nokia convertor called properly Apr 15 22:51:22 * KotCzarny avoids nokia's m$ windows software Apr 15 22:51:45 bad memories from converter for a 5510 Apr 15 22:51:46 ;) Apr 15 22:51:48 btw, does anybody have a sample of video encoded with nokia video convertor? I have never seen such a file yet :) Apr 15 22:51:58 ah, this one Apr 15 22:52:12 that was tonight during the mhz discussion with gomaim Apr 15 22:52:18 yeah Apr 15 22:52:33 i thought that you were thinking about something else Apr 15 22:52:41 because of 'files' Apr 15 22:52:43 :) Apr 15 22:52:44 nope, was on about ssvb not getting examples.. Apr 15 22:52:53 'example' Apr 15 22:53:18 my memory works on plural/singular key Apr 15 22:54:16 so you gonna having a problems when i doing thing like that? Apr 15 22:54:35 ;) Apr 15 22:54:58 * lcuk remembers it and teases kot when hes least expecting it Apr 15 22:55:04 yup Apr 15 22:55:10 (either that or it will be a typo ;) Apr 15 22:55:27 but then again my memory remembers when someone does things like that Apr 15 22:55:31 and acts accordingly Apr 15 22:55:32 so beware Apr 15 22:55:33 ;) Apr 15 22:55:36 lols Apr 15 22:56:12 so do all my preexisting files have to be run through nokia video convertor? Apr 15 22:56:49 nope Apr 15 22:56:50 no, try them first - basically the device is limited to a certain bitrate at different resolutions Apr 15 22:56:59 only ones that are too much for poor cpu Apr 15 22:57:00 :) Apr 15 22:57:02 so if you have crappy movies they will work Apr 15 22:57:20 but the best encodes won't run most likely Apr 15 22:57:38 most of my files are 720x480, 640x360, or 640xwhatever Apr 15 22:57:49 i believe (some1 else can confirm) if you get pre-encoded ipod movies they should play Apr 15 22:57:51 too much for current config Apr 15 22:58:04 though i was watching 720x448 @ 23fps Apr 15 22:58:05 no its not, but the bit rate must be lowered to compensate ;) Apr 15 22:58:06 Curso0r: anyway, it would be interesting to have a look at one of such files which refuses to play Apr 15 22:58:09 with some tricks Apr 15 22:58:21 hi ssvb, ears burning :P Apr 15 22:58:43 what kind of error message does mplayer provide? Apr 15 22:59:26 'feeeed meeee' Apr 15 22:59:27 ;) Apr 15 22:59:28 I get "file type not supported" Apr 15 22:59:39 "filetype not supported" sounds more like the standard media player from the internet tablet Apr 15 22:59:50 Oh, scheisse, you're right. Apr 15 22:59:56 :) Apr 15 22:59:59 problem solved Apr 15 23:00:01 Mplayer wouldn't read from my network Apr 15 23:00:14 curs0r: not true Apr 15 23:00:16 It sees the files but won't play them, just does nothing Apr 15 23:00:21 mplayer happily runs via http Apr 15 23:00:29 My shares are smb Apr 15 23:00:35 does mplayer need to fully index avi files like the windows codecs do? Apr 15 23:00:39 smb too, but i never used it Apr 15 23:00:45 ie have to scan entire file before playing Apr 15 23:00:52 lcuk: nope, but without index you can't do seeking Apr 15 23:01:13 at least it refuses to do so Apr 15 23:01:19 it doesn't add the file to the mplayer playlist no matter how many times I try to open them from the smb share Apr 15 23:02:08 If whoever wrote that lcars theme is in here: kudos, that bad ass Apr 15 23:02:13 that's* Apr 15 23:02:15 it is not a playlist, but just a result of search for files on your flash memory card(s) Apr 15 23:02:56 GUI that comes with mplayer is very simplistic Apr 15 23:03:21 I was very happy that itsweb browser doesn't do anything unexpected while interfacing with xbmc Apr 15 23:03:32 makes a nice remote Apr 15 23:04:32 ok, games time, lurkmode=true; Apr 15 23:04:59 LCARS won't be invented for another 37 years. but your message will be replayed for them after they manage it. Apr 15 23:05:15 If whoever wrote that lcars theme Apr 15 23:05:17 theme Apr 15 23:05:59 Now if I can get compiz on it... hahaha dreaming, I know. Apr 15 23:06:21 too slow Apr 15 23:06:22 :) Apr 15 23:06:28 no 3d drivers :/ Apr 15 23:06:32 but xcommgr works Apr 15 23:06:37 xcompmgr Apr 15 23:06:50 maybe I can shoehorn the rgba murrine in there Apr 15 23:07:04 at 0.000001fps Apr 15 23:07:21 lcuk: more like 10fps Apr 15 23:07:22 :) Apr 15 23:07:24 alpha blending isn't _that_ taxing Apr 15 23:07:50 or do you mean xcompmgr? Apr 15 23:08:12 alpha blending Apr 15 23:08:24 involves at least 2 full runs across the data Apr 15 23:08:39 try it on the device sometime :) Apr 15 23:09:10 how does xmame run with the standards like dig-dug, frogger, etc? Apr 15 23:09:24 lower resolution i would assume.. Apr 15 23:09:42 800*480 desktop sized effects are much more taxing than running a game Apr 15 23:11:02 well all this other stuff is just gravy anyway. It's a pocket sized web browser and I likes it Apr 15 23:11:17 don't get me wrong, the device is amazing Apr 15 23:11:32 and it runs mplayer! Apr 15 23:11:33 :) Apr 15 23:11:36 just don't try to think of it as a desktop part with processing power to spare Apr 15 23:11:49 (at least unless you have a powervr driver in your pocket) Apr 15 23:12:09 was ist das? Apr 15 23:12:12 we have 3d hardware but no way to run it Apr 15 23:12:41 its locked up inside the cpu - the other n series nokias have ngage type gaming capabilities which use the hardware Apr 15 23:12:44 (not that it will help with the tearing problem) Apr 15 23:12:56 depends on resolution john Apr 15 23:13:11 Oh, I was under the impression that this had ngage capapbility Apr 15 23:13:20 get the pvr and iva running and product 640*480 YUV frames ;) Apr 15 23:13:21 capability* Apr 15 23:13:37 or same with 800*480 Apr 15 23:14:01 interesting... Apr 15 23:14:21 anyways, off to work... Apr 15 23:14:36 (though I'd rather stay and chat :) ) Apr 15 23:14:43 get your nokia Apr 15 23:14:56 ;) Apr 15 23:15:31 i tohught you were lurking KotCzarny :P Apr 15 23:16:16 i am Apr 15 23:16:19 lol Apr 15 23:16:27 * lcuk puts lol on a macro Apr 15 23:16:33 * lcuk gives KotCzarny a :) macro Apr 15 23:16:43 i'm running and killing monsters in the meantime Apr 15 23:16:59 different machine or windowed? Apr 15 23:17:08 calling a macro is slower than typing it Apr 15 23:17:09 :) Apr 15 23:17:14 lcuk: dualheaded Apr 15 23:17:29 xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of LVDS Apr 15 23:17:30 ;) Apr 15 23:17:46 ssh seems to work pretty well, need I ask if an X session is possible? Apr 15 23:18:14 i dunno, though x11vnc is available Apr 15 23:18:27 ack, the horror Apr 15 23:18:41 * lcuk knows nothing still about linux subsystems so doesnt know how bad that is Apr 15 23:18:47 Although I hear that compiz can be made to work with vnc Apr 15 23:18:51 i know it works and i can see my nokia from my desktop Apr 15 23:18:56 i think tcp part of the x is disabled by default Apr 15 23:19:20 I mean I want to start a remote x session on the device and control my pc Apr 15 23:19:26 anyway, who needs remote x when we have noBounds ;) Apr 15 23:19:33 curs0r: try it, may work Apr 15 23:19:44 lcuk: where? link to download? Apr 15 23:19:45 :) Apr 15 23:19:49 dont you need to gainroot first Apr 15 23:19:55 lcuk, nope Apr 15 23:20:03 export DISPLAY=pc:0 Apr 15 23:20:07 run your x app Apr 15 23:20:07 :) Apr 15 23:20:24 where pc is a hostname or ip Apr 15 23:20:27 My big project next weekend is to try and rootkit the device. Curiosoty has broken so many of my toys... Apr 15 23:20:34 lol Apr 15 23:20:37 rootkit? Apr 15 23:20:50 dunno exact link, but all you have to do is send a mail to ermmmm him, get a job at nokia, work your way through the ranks, become an extra in a corporate video stand around holding an 810 and bobs your uncle (still easier than doing some linux related things ;) ) Apr 15 23:21:06 Yep, one of the first things I do with a linux I don't know is to try all the common hacker tools against it Apr 15 23:21:21 curs0r: you don't need a rootkit for that Apr 15 23:21:23 only ssh Apr 15 23:21:24 :) Apr 15 23:21:36 it's not an iphone Apr 15 23:21:50 I don't need any 'tools' per se but I like to see how it holds up against skiddie type attacks Apr 15 23:21:59 ah, ok Apr 15 23:22:11 as long you don't give them physical access it should be ok Apr 15 23:22:50 My router still catches idiots trying to use TerDrop Apr 15 23:22:55 TearDrop Apr 15 23:23:04 this device is quite secure out of the box isn't it Apr 15 23:23:05 kernel is quite old Apr 15 23:23:21 ie until you break the seal and start installing non-nokia approved stuff Apr 15 23:23:28 hmm Apr 15 23:23:51 good question Apr 15 23:24:00 i believe it is Apr 15 23:24:08 netstat -atuwn Apr 15 23:24:14 should tell you what is runninx Apr 15 23:24:16 running Apr 15 23:24:24 and on which ports Apr 15 23:25:04 however there has to be exploitable holes everywhere - just like in other devices - the difference here is there is an illuminated pathway and its almost expected Apr 15 23:25:24 The software is incidental to me almost, I love the shell this thing is sporting, and that is one of the most precise touchscreens I've seen on a handheld Apr 15 23:26:01 nahh i find it horribly in-precise: i have NEVER been able to hit a single specified pixel Apr 15 23:26:11 at 1/225" though its to be expected Apr 15 23:26:16 ;) Apr 15 23:26:29 Yeah my brother is pissed because I told it to call me with its IP every time it connects to the net Apr 15 23:26:57 yay for shell scripting Apr 15 23:27:03 heh.. Apr 15 23:27:05 go the whole hog and get it taking a picture of the user Apr 15 23:27:14 and maybe a soundbite Apr 15 23:27:36 I suppose I could write that up and share it. N800 leash or somesuch Apr 15 23:27:37 im considering that for when the device is unlocked Apr 15 23:27:54 'connection attempt logged, *beep* i repeat, connection attempt logged' Apr 15 23:28:10 i have to do the fingerprint scanning program Apr 15 23:28:19 it would look like a cool way to unlock device Apr 15 23:28:47 I figure I don't want it to notify the user, so if it's stolen it says howdy and gives the user's location Apr 15 23:28:52 lcuk, btw. how about touching with the whole hand and getting 'hand footprint' ? Apr 15 23:29:10 im thinking vulcan grip Apr 15 23:29:12 i wonder how specific/repeatable that could be Apr 15 23:29:42 curs0r: gps? pic? :) Apr 15 23:29:48 it will just be a cool way to pretend that its high tech Apr 15 23:29:51 hrmm, you could use a programmable angle so that the user sets what is imaged and at what direction Apr 15 23:30:13 ? Apr 15 23:30:17 just take a picture.. Apr 15 23:31:11 hmm Apr 15 23:31:27 signature activated login? Apr 15 23:31:32 using stylus? Apr 15 23:31:41 but we dont ever logon Apr 15 23:31:45 I'll probably want to send a command back to it if you hit the 'stolen' button that turns the volume to max and starts screeching "STOLEN DEVICE!" Apr 15 23:32:12 just have it check for a file on the ftp when its uploading a picture Apr 15 23:32:18 and besides, you would want to wait a while Apr 15 23:32:23 get a few good pictures Apr 15 23:32:33 hidden camera Apr 15 23:32:34 ;) Apr 15 23:32:40 give away nokias Apr 15 23:32:44 collect pr0n Apr 15 23:32:45 ;) Apr 15 23:32:48 there is no way that a new user would leave all the bits alone Apr 15 23:33:19 there are much smaller devices already for that Apr 15 23:33:25 hmm Apr 15 23:33:32 isnt that x11camera thingy Apr 15 23:33:34 is there a way to prevent reflash? Apr 15 23:33:40 i love it when the kids are all doin their cellphone stuff and i pull out the N810 Apr 15 23:33:45 * KotCzarny is thinking about disabling usb port Apr 15 23:33:46 *INSTANT JEALOUS LOOKS* Apr 15 23:34:02 seriously kot, how many people who rob devices would know specifically to flash this specific device as soon as they grabbed it? Apr 15 23:34:14 heh Apr 15 23:34:28 Most of them can barely look up a web page, which is why they have to steal. Apr 15 23:34:59 you think they have a chart on the wall "hmmm the 810 - if i steal that i have to get the serial number of the back, login to maemo.org download the flasher connect to web and flash device.... Apr 15 23:35:02 lcuk, some do Apr 15 23:35:25 you can bet your ass most dont Apr 15 23:35:39 you want to make sure Apr 15 23:35:41 :) Apr 15 23:35:58 KotCzarny has a point the thieves that take laptops now have it harder than ever with TPM and the bios password locks on some of them Apr 15 23:36:01 you are just crippling device for no reason, usb can be useful at a pinch Apr 15 23:36:28 just to keep the possibility of thief using it X.x Apr 15 23:36:39 lcuk: to be true i have never used usb on the device yet Apr 15 23:36:43 but they all switch them on and go "shit, password" and try about 20 combinations before it ends up at the geek up the street Apr 15 23:36:46 wifi/bt is more than enough Apr 15 23:36:52 with 810 it would auto connect without a apassword usually Apr 15 23:37:00 NEVER? Apr 15 23:37:03 yup Apr 15 23:37:04 Well so much for my security software idea, this channel is logged so it's no big 'owners oonly' secret is it? Apr 15 23:37:28 only once when i was curious if it presents as multi-lun device or different controllers Apr 15 23:37:42 cursor, you could shout it from the rooftops and i bet noone would know to look before trying it Apr 15 23:38:02 curs0r: you can probably google your words and they will show up already Apr 15 23:38:03 ;) Apr 15 23:38:06 trying to lock down the Maemo devices? seems kind of hard, they are a bit open already Apr 15 23:38:25 look at all the people who get caught on digg or other forums after nicking cameras etc with autoupload Apr 15 23:38:30 fang64: how about custom kernel + no possibility to reflash ? Apr 15 23:38:40 jtag? lol Apr 15 23:38:44 well Apr 15 23:39:00 well again most thieves don't know how to use or build those interfaces lol Apr 15 23:39:01 "user friendly updating" Apr 15 23:39:13 and opening n8x0 can easily damage it Apr 15 23:39:14 :) Apr 15 23:39:40 protecting data from a thief would be a worthy effort Apr 15 23:39:50 fang64: cut a jtag track with a laser? ;) Apr 15 23:40:00 eww.. that's nasty Apr 15 23:40:03 ok, this is for the kid who nicks my n810: "DO NOT USE MY NOKIA N810 OVER THE INTERNET BEFORE YOU REFLASH IT OR I WILL KNOW WHO YOU ARE" Apr 15 23:40:32 lcuk: 'and i will post photos what you did there yesterday' ? Apr 15 23:40:32 ;) Apr 15 23:40:45 No video recording then? Apr 15 23:40:52 *grainy, snowy pictures of your nose Apr 15 23:40:55 curs0r: mencoder Apr 15 23:40:57 I hadn't checked for that yet Apr 15 23:41:03 works happily Apr 15 23:41:12 I think the TPM stuff at version 3.0 gets a bit scary some of them have call home functions Apr 15 23:41:16 yes, but why video - just timelapse is enough for uploading Apr 15 23:41:18 lcuk: hint: it's not a nose.. Apr 15 23:41:20 ;) Apr 15 23:41:22 putting something like that on a N8x0 would be pretty nice Apr 15 23:41:47 additional note: DO NOT USE GENITALIA AS A STYLUS Apr 15 23:41:49 fang64: embed it in wifi firmware? Apr 15 23:42:11 well the TPM stuff is more for laptops and desktops ( scary ) Apr 15 23:42:17 lcuk: additional note2: 'that rash won't go away without doctor's help' Apr 15 23:42:21 I suppose even 5 fframes per second is good enough for a security function Apr 15 23:42:35 it's not like you can't have a script running in the background that phones home Apr 15 23:42:49 fang64: battery drain Apr 15 23:42:51 that's trivial to do Apr 15 23:42:52 yah Apr 15 23:42:54 true Apr 15 23:42:56 but you want to use it yourself and not drain the battery Apr 15 23:43:04 just take a picture when its unlocked and be done Apr 15 23:43:04 lcuk: is that what i've been doing wrong? Apr 15 23:43:21 celesteh, yes. Apr 15 23:43:24 does the maemo have cron? ( lol probably not ) but it'd be funny if it did Apr 15 23:43:39 simple enough to port cron Apr 15 23:43:49 fang64: i believe even if it doesn't it should compile/run happily Apr 15 23:43:55 yah Apr 15 23:44:02 no, but it has nanosleep :) just compile your daemon Apr 15 23:44:03 you could have cron run something that phones home Apr 15 23:44:11 but that is assuming it has a connection Apr 15 23:44:41 dbus has 'connection available' trigger Apr 15 23:44:45 test for connection if it doesn't schedule it another time Apr 15 23:44:52 kot :) Apr 15 23:44:58 you don't even to test for it, just setup a listener Apr 15 23:44:59 :) Apr 15 23:45:01 ah Apr 15 23:45:10 *have Apr 15 23:45:45 I'll bet my irc bot would run on it nicely Apr 15 23:45:50 probably Apr 15 23:45:54 eggdrop? Apr 15 23:46:00 Wrote my own Apr 15 23:46:01 ah Apr 15 23:46:07 console app I take it Apr 15 23:46:13 indeed Apr 15 23:46:27 that'd definitely be scary Apr 15 23:46:37 send message to it, I know where you live XD Apr 15 23:46:47 have it pop up on screen Apr 15 23:46:51 but then again that'd be bad XD Apr 15 23:46:55 remote slave Apr 15 23:47:13 'i see what you have on your \\pc\d\family\ Apr 15 23:47:23 they'd toss it away in probably Apr 15 23:47:33 in the trash* Apr 15 23:47:36 still you would have a photo Apr 15 23:47:41 and ip Apr 15 23:47:46 smash it with a hammer out of panic Apr 15 23:47:54 ROFL Apr 15 23:47:55 hmm Apr 15 23:48:04 aim sniffer? Apr 15 23:48:05 ;) Apr 15 23:48:14 just start pushing goatse to i Apr 15 23:48:17 I think that would be getting excessive Apr 15 23:48:40 lol local airpwn ? Apr 15 23:48:50 p2p client with \\pc\d\media as a sahere? Apr 15 23:49:03 share Apr 15 23:49:03 yer, their internet connection would be really fast, the material might be objectional though Apr 15 23:49:18 that's just a bit much Apr 15 23:49:31 i wonder who could be held responsible Apr 15 23:49:39 yer especially if it triggers accidentally during a presentation ;) Apr 15 23:49:41 Have it tap their windows box and install every malware app on the adaware and spybot lists Apr 15 23:49:57 lol Apr 15 23:50:05 i think im just gonna have mine taking a picture and sending it back and be done with it Apr 15 23:50:09 heh Apr 15 23:50:12 400 instances of myway search Apr 15 23:50:15 local m$ boxen pwnage Apr 15 23:50:16 uhm metaspolit and access to their local network Apr 15 23:50:17 that's bad Apr 15 23:50:50 fang, it would have access to YOUR local network as well, better make sure you don't trigger it yourself Apr 15 23:51:07 who uses m$ with network connection anyway? Apr 15 23:51:18 first problem is, I don't use windows actually Apr 15 23:51:21 That's why you have it call home and wait for the "stolen" command Apr 15 23:51:27 hehe Apr 15 23:51:35 why assume windows only? Apr 15 23:51:42 hmm Apr 15 23:51:52 it could gather data from local network Apr 15 23:51:56 are you REALLY that confident that your linux box is secure? Apr 15 23:52:02 then trigger 'stolen' environment Apr 15 23:52:06 who said I was running linux lol Apr 15 23:52:18 most people don't know how to use iptables properly, tiz true Apr 15 23:52:30 not a problem Apr 15 23:52:31 I actually have 2 Sun Workstations here Apr 15 23:52:37 as long you don't run mysqld Apr 15 23:52:40 Solaris does have it's problems and I'm aware of them Apr 15 23:52:40 or something Apr 15 23:52:41 :) Apr 15 23:52:52 knockd conquers all Apr 15 23:52:55 lol Apr 15 23:52:55 and a linux box (likely) with access to your phone connection account Apr 15 23:53:00 or at least a router Apr 15 23:54:07 and every piece of network accessible software multiplies greatly the chances that an exploitable bug could be discovered Apr 15 23:54:23 ah Apr 15 23:54:35 I'm behind a Sidewinder G2 Router Apr 15 23:54:40 haven't seen those hacked yet Apr 15 23:54:57 they lack a root account Apr 15 23:55:28 but as far as some of the other things, I'm not too sure about my HP Printer that's on the network probably hackable Apr 15 23:55:31 hmm Apr 15 23:55:33 actually probably is Apr 15 23:55:35 17,900$ ? Apr 15 23:55:38 no Apr 15 23:55:39 lol Apr 15 23:55:50 specify model then Apr 15 23:55:51 ;) Apr 15 23:55:59 got it free in a dumpster out of charlotte Apr 15 23:56:04 a IBM subsid shutdown Apr 15 23:56:07 it probably cost that Apr 15 23:56:13 ah, shucks Apr 15 23:56:22 corporate trash roolez? Apr 15 23:56:23 ;) Apr 15 23:56:27 indeed Apr 15 23:56:41 America has the richest garbage in the world. Apr 15 23:56:41 I've got copies of all sorts of IDEs etc Apr 15 23:56:51 lol Apr 15 23:56:56 Bank of America tosses tons of stuff out Apr 15 23:56:58 you'd be amazed Apr 15 23:57:04 software licenses etc. Apr 15 23:57:37 I had an idea to start assembling those discarded pcs and making a community cluster. Doing large compiles for local charities and such Apr 15 23:57:54 i would think dumpster diving at a bank is akin to bank robbery so wouldnt consider it Apr 15 23:57:56 I'm actually building a cluster at my college Apr 15 23:57:59 been running into problems Apr 15 23:58:09 well you'd think that Apr 15 23:58:26 but the thing is that those companies have like 10~12 dumpster bins Apr 15 23:58:30 worth of computer equipment Apr 15 23:58:33 Well cluster may be a misnomer, I mean an array of indepedant machines running distcc and such Apr 15 23:58:33 they toss out Apr 15 23:59:20 IBM subsid i think was called Solaria or something like that, they tossed out touchscreen terminals, servers, sun workstations ( where I got mine ), racks Apr 15 23:59:21 etc Apr 15 23:59:40 o.o Apr 15 23:59:47 it is kind of sick actually Apr 15 23:59:54 right time, right place :) Apr 15 23:59:56 * KotCzarny is feeling jealous Apr 15 23:59:58 I hate the keyboard that comes with sun workstations Apr 16 00:00:08 lol Apr 16 00:00:18 I had 2 pizzaboxes before that Apr 16 00:00:25 Sparc Station 10s Apr 16 00:00:26 lol Apr 16 00:00:41 Sparcs are fun Apr 16 00:00:54 yes they are Apr 16 00:00:54 lol Apr 16 00:01:23 I got to play with a mips system once. That was a cool little cpu Apr 16 00:01:45 wrt54g has mips Apr 16 00:01:49 (or mipsel) Apr 16 00:01:49 Kot the sidewinder I have is 210D Apr 16 00:01:54 Rackmount Apr 16 00:02:05 I'm missing quite a bit of it's software Apr 16 00:02:12 but it is a bit overkill Apr 16 00:02:13 lol Apr 16 00:02:22 yeah Apr 16 00:02:31 i'm quite happy with my openwrt box here Apr 16 00:02:35 I wish i had the other stuff to go with it like the modules Apr 16 00:02:47 stable and uptimes in months Apr 16 00:02:50 gnite all Apr 16 00:02:55 nite nite Apr 16 00:03:00 Good night Apr 16 00:03:01 cya Apr 16 00:03:12 it runs on a Modified version of FreeBSD, called SecureOS Apr 16 00:03:16 you think it would be exploitable Apr 16 00:03:37 but lacking root makes things real hard Apr 16 00:03:44 :) Apr 16 00:03:50 lacking tools too Apr 16 00:04:03 well it has rudimentary stuff Apr 16 00:04:05 nothing crazy Apr 16 00:04:08 it barely fits my epic/screen session Apr 16 00:04:24 lol Apr 16 00:04:36 (yes, i run epic/screen on my router) Apr 16 00:04:37 ;) Apr 16 00:04:55 does openwrt run on Fon Routers? Apr 16 00:05:00 been thinking about messing with it Apr 16 00:05:00 hmm Apr 16 00:05:07 I got a Fon when they were free Apr 16 00:05:08 it should have a compatibility chart Apr 16 00:05:09 moment Apr 16 00:05:10 never fiddled with it Apr 16 00:05:14 what is epic/screen? Apr 16 00:05:23 epic is a ircii fork Apr 16 00:05:31 enhanced programmable irc client Apr 16 00:05:46 ic Apr 16 00:06:00 screen is just a screen util Apr 16 00:06:06 * Mousey huggles screen Apr 16 00:06:08 lol Apr 16 00:06:16 but when i use it in maemo, i can't use backspace Apr 16 00:06:18 that let's you detach a running session and reatach later/from diff machine Apr 16 00:06:19 eetc Apr 16 00:06:27 and stty erase ctrl-v ctrl-h doesn't work Apr 16 00:06:33 fang: http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware Apr 16 00:06:46 mousey: you can add your own keys to the osk Apr 16 00:06:54 osk? Apr 16 00:06:55 and remap keys with xmodmap too Apr 16 00:06:59 eh it does Apr 16 00:06:59 on screen keyboard Apr 16 00:07:04 * Mousey has a hardware keyboard Apr 16 00:07:08 n810 Apr 16 00:07:08 but Apr 16 00:07:08 surprising Apr 16 00:07:10 that's not the point Apr 16 00:07:20 i can't hit backspace inside screen Apr 16 00:07:48 * jott hands mousey a proper termcap Apr 16 00:07:53 :> Apr 16 00:07:57 jott: srsly Apr 16 00:08:01 might do that, since my fon hasn't been updated Apr 16 00:08:09 jott: if i could just set the proper TERM in screen [and have screen honor it] Apr 16 00:08:44 mousey: export TERM=something ? Apr 16 00:08:56 yea, but it doesn't work? Apr 16 00:09:05 try another then Apr 16 00:09:07 by default screen uses "screen" as the term Apr 16 00:09:30 i've got TERM=screen-256color and backspace works fine with osso-xterm Apr 16 00:09:31 isn't there a way to screen "screen" from screen? hehe Apr 16 00:09:51 curs0r: there is Apr 16 00:09:55 Curs0r: yes, screen -e^Ee -S session name Apr 16 00:10:09 but you should map their command combo key to diff. chars Apr 16 00:10:20 then you can use ctrl-a as the control key for the first dimention and ctrl-e as the control key for the embedded screen Apr 16 00:10:25 I was attempting to be hoomorous Apr 16 00:10:38 Curs0r: good try ;) Apr 16 00:10:44 curs0r: why? it's quite convenient feature Apr 16 00:10:56 consider screen that has multiple sessions at once Apr 16 00:11:05 so you don't have to relogin everytime Apr 16 00:11:07 :) Apr 16 00:11:08 consider the sheer lack of memory in the device Apr 16 00:11:18 define lack of memory Apr 16 00:11:26 I forget.... Apr 16 00:11:26 Mousey: but really try to check if your terminfo is somehome outdated or broken Apr 16 00:11:30 4 shells deep Apr 16 00:11:31 backspace should work.. Apr 16 00:11:39 i run 2x epic + screen + 5 shells + im client + logger Apr 16 00:11:44 * Mousey reluctantly installs screen again Apr 16 00:11:44 and links browser sometimes Apr 16 00:12:43 ah, and sshd of course Apr 16 00:12:44 :) Apr 16 00:13:18 dnsmasq, junkbuster proxy, crond, httpd Apr 16 00:13:18 add a mutt and elinks and you have everything you need ;) Apr 16 00:13:31 so.. which part of lack of memory you are talking about? Apr 16 00:13:32 ;) Apr 16 00:13:52 jott: i prefer links2 Apr 16 00:14:04 why? Apr 16 00:14:13 laziness Apr 16 00:14:18 can it do 256 colors? ;) Apr 16 00:14:28 it can do graphics Apr 16 00:14:29 :) Apr 16 00:14:44 in screen? :) Apr 16 00:14:51 heh Apr 16 00:14:55 :) Apr 16 00:15:07 that's limited by sshd :) Apr 16 00:15:15 I'm not sure if this is relevant ... but I find that ^] is a fantastic screen escape key Apr 16 00:15:15 and screen itself :) Apr 16 00:15:30 elb: i have learned about it hard way Apr 16 00:15:39 when i setup 'resize +3' to it Apr 16 00:15:40 ;) Apr 16 00:16:05 KotCzarny: have you seen these http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xport-ar.html Apr 16 00:16:14 nearly as funny as [return] ~ . in a ssh session Apr 16 00:16:35 fang, heh Apr 16 00:16:43 you guys got screen from debfarm? Apr 16 00:16:57 mousey: i usually compile stuff myself Apr 16 00:17:10 heh.. 120mhz ? Apr 16 00:17:12 lol Apr 16 00:17:18 I know Apr 16 00:17:18 lol Apr 16 00:17:27 no, I mean I use ^] as screen's escape key Apr 16 00:17:46 and it's great ... because essentially nothing else uses it, and the things which do use it as an escape key Apr 16 00:18:27 yea, doesn't work Apr 16 00:18:47 KotCzarny: dunno add about acouple of those to your home network you might have a exploiters dream home lol and what's bad is appliances are beginning to use those Apr 16 00:19:07 :) Apr 16 00:19:18 It's like why are my windows opening themselves uhhhh Apr 16 00:21:46 hmm Apr 16 00:21:52 it costs ~70$ ? Apr 16 00:22:00 probably cheaper in bulk Apr 16 00:22:06 humm Apr 16 00:23:28 I first saw those in a CNC shop to update older machines to support NC script loading over the network. they weren't that small though lol Apr 16 00:27:07 fang64, do you know of a linux app that a SurfCAM user would find comfortable? Apr 16 00:27:26 uhm I've seen SurfCAM, never used it Apr 16 00:27:51 most guys I've seen run shops end up hiring a in house programmer to write their linux CAM programs Apr 16 00:28:11 if they don't they end up using something commercial and windows Apr 16 00:28:11 lol Apr 16 00:28:28 I figured as much. I'm learning OpenGL for that reason Apr 16 00:28:47 hmm Apr 16 00:29:30 dunno seems like there would be a CAM app for linux that would simulate different cam interfaces Apr 16 00:29:42 I know alot of people using MasterCAM through wine Apr 16 00:30:09 can't quite quit the program to completely migrate away Apr 16 00:30:17 I'm just going to write the ultimate spaghetti code kludge that does it all, the accounting, shipping/receiving, the machines, the art, the whole lot Apr 16 00:30:26 hehe Apr 16 00:30:42 Because quickbooks sucks too Apr 16 00:31:52 uhmm it is a problem Apr 16 00:32:42 I'm not much of a machinist person, I just deal with a lot of them, since when the computer breaks typically solution is to buy or replace. So they end up calling me when they run over budget. Apr 16 00:33:08 then again that's what alot of companies end up doing locally Apr 16 00:33:18 The average peron sits down in front of modern accounting software and is pretty much immediately baffled by it. Apr 16 00:33:19 not the most effective system Apr 16 00:33:33 I would agree with you there Apr 16 00:33:43 So I'm just going to try and write from the perspective of the guy that owns the shop. Apr 16 00:34:12 the problem is, a lot of that confusing accounting stuff is there for a reason Apr 16 00:34:17 i like the cases when 'my computer is broken' == 'os doesn't start because of spyware/viruses' Apr 16 00:34:18 :) Apr 16 00:34:58 it's quite annoying to roll up to company who has bought at least 30 machines to replace the 10 they had problems with originally Apr 16 00:35:07 the extra 20 is incase those fail Apr 16 00:35:22 elb, the language can be simplified, with nice, safe, friendly, monosyllabic words. Apr 16 00:35:57 Curs0r: oh, yes, hte language can be simplified, or at least explained Apr 16 00:36:10 but a lot of the arcane *practices* turn out to be very nice in certain situations Apr 16 00:36:13 like tax time ;-) Apr 16 00:36:24 bless double-entry accounting ;-) Apr 16 00:50:32 i bought a fon router they use there on domain server and block some sights Apr 16 00:51:04 I got mine free Apr 16 00:51:08 during the giveaway Apr 16 00:51:22 you can definitely take the fon part out of them Apr 16 00:51:26 lol Apr 16 00:51:34 i bet u can set the domain name server too Apr 16 00:51:38 indeed Apr 16 00:51:45 it'll piss off the fonero guys Apr 16 00:52:17 not that it matters Apr 16 00:52:36 noone has posted a how to for the latest Apr 16 00:53:33 which one do you have Apr 16 00:53:40 i dont think Apr 16 00:54:20 there is a serial port Apr 16 00:54:23 you can tap into Apr 16 00:54:46 fon2201 Apr 16 00:55:11 im to shaky to solder Apr 16 00:55:19 ah Apr 16 00:55:24 yah that is a problem Apr 16 00:56:12 i should take it appart for the h of it Apr 16 00:56:46 so what do you do with the serial port Apr 16 00:57:13 well you need to drop the voltage of the serial interface they use Apr 16 00:57:19 right now I would wait a bit Apr 16 00:57:37 k Apr 16 00:57:41 they might come out with something Apr 16 00:57:44 I'm just digging around Apr 16 00:57:48 didn't realize they had a new model Apr 16 00:59:25 is yours very powerfull Apr 16 00:59:53 dunno yet Apr 16 01:00:01 haven't had a chance to play around with it really Apr 16 01:00:09 ok Apr 16 01:00:10 I know it can be modified easily though Apr 16 01:00:26 I actually got it to use it but you mentioning the dns server blocking Apr 16 01:00:26 good Apr 16 01:00:27 that's not good Apr 16 01:01:12 i dont know about the older ones Apr 16 01:01:26 the older ones are easier Apr 16 01:04:19 smackpotato: http://fonblog.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/la-fonera-hack-it-if-you-can/ seems like slightly more trouble Apr 16 01:05:00 tx for the link ill check it out now Apr 16 01:05:50 there is one apparently now Apr 16 01:06:07 http://www.fonboard.nl/wiki/La_Fonera_Plus_Access Apr 16 01:06:25 smackpotato: good luck surprised me Apr 16 01:08:44 some chance. take care Apr 16 01:33:50 I had a question about the Nokia N800. Apr 16 01:34:38 Does anyone here know if you can use a Apple bluetooth keyboard with it? Apr 16 01:36:13 someone was saying they do, just the other day Apr 16 01:36:19 or with an 810, I think Apr 16 01:40:08 is there any real difference between dbus and osso? Apr 16 01:40:33 hey, how do I make it so the file manager in OS2008 reads a directory upon me opening it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 16 02:59:56 2008