**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 18 02:59:56 2008
Apr 18 03:41:33 <WormFood> It would be soooo nice if I could get a version of "anki" for maemo
Apr 18 03:41:55 <WormFood> unfortunately it is written for kde :(
Apr 18 03:42:09 <WormFood> does anyone know if that program has been ported to maemo yet?
Apr 18 03:43:47 <liquid217> WormFood: have you tried it under Garnet VM?  http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/
Apr 18 03:44:27 <WormFood> I don't even know what that is
Apr 18 03:44:30 <Navi> Any screenshots of garnetvm on the N800 in action?
Apr 18 03:44:32 * WormFood looks at the url
Apr 18 03:44:40 <Mousey> Navi: i had it working on my n810
Apr 18 03:44:50 <Navi> No screenies?
Apr 18 03:45:00 <Mousey> it looks like a palm
Apr 18 03:45:08 <Mousey> wooooo!
Apr 18 03:45:20 <WormFood> weee...that was fun
Apr 18 03:45:27 <WormFood> can I ride the net split again?
Apr 18 03:46:00 <Mousey> Navi: if i can install it, anybody can
Apr 18 03:46:02 <WormFood> I fail to see how GVM will allow me to run "Anki"
Apr 18 03:46:08 <Navi> Mousey, I'm too lazy.
Apr 18 03:46:12 <Mousey> =P
Apr 18 03:46:21 <Mousey> well if i install it again i'll take pictures ;)
Apr 18 03:46:47 <liquid217> WormFood: i assumed that this was the 'anki' you referred to http://www.anki.com/
Apr 18 03:47:57 <WormFood> different program, but same function
Apr 18 03:49:34 <WormFood> http://ichi2.net/anki/ this is what I was talking about
Apr 18 03:50:46 <WormFood> thanks liquid217, I'll try to check it out later (no time right now, I'm at work)
Apr 18 03:51:23 <WormFood> does GVM need ROMs?
Apr 18 03:52:03 * WormFood sighs
Apr 18 03:52:14 <WormFood> does anyone have a download url for it, without having to signup?
Apr 18 03:52:45 <liquid217> honestly, im not sure on garnet vm, on either question.  I just know its available
Apr 18 03:52:53 <mbuf> inotify-tools is available for maemo?
Apr 18 03:59:19 <liquid217> WormFood: just tried compiling anki in scratchbox with mudbuilder.  It looks like it has a ton of dependencies though.
Apr 18 03:59:33 <WormFood> yes
Apr 18 03:59:53 <WormFood> I installed it under debian, and it wanted to download about 160 meg of kde crap
Apr 18 04:00:09 <liquid217> wow
Apr 18 04:05:30 <WormFood> I'm going to lunch (really breakfast for me)....see you guys later
Apr 18 04:06:47 <Ziegler> I lost adobe flash on my nit...  After dosbox install possibly
Apr 18 04:06:57 <Ziegler> Any thoughts
Apr 18 04:07:00 <Ziegler> ?
Apr 18 05:51:25 <RST38h> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/359497_bus18.html?source=rss
Apr 18 05:51:29 <RST38h> Priceless.
Apr 18 05:53:40 <Mousey> that, good sir, is an idiot
Apr 18 05:55:51 <RST38h> There are also a GPS unit and ~15 screaming schoolgirls present in the picture.
Apr 18 05:56:15 <RST38h> The driver is probably deaf now.
Apr 18 06:09:33 <Khertan_on_n810> Hi !
Apr 18 06:15:55 <Khertan_on_n810> GeneralAntilles > there was an error in timer of home applet :)
Apr 18 06:29:35 <Khertan_on_n810> bye
Apr 18 06:34:59 <lopz> night
Apr 18 07:45:49 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 18 08:37:07 <hrw> morning
Apr 18 08:37:48 <qwerty12> hrw, morning. I know the n800 emulation is broken but is there any way to "modify" the config.mtd?
Apr 18 08:47:50 <hrw> enable r&d?
Apr 18 08:48:01 <hrw> and blame nokia ;)
Apr 18 08:48:20 <hrw> problem is based on battery reading
Apr 18 08:48:43 <hrw> initfs checks battery and do not boot if there is no such one. but battery support is closed
Apr 18 08:49:08 <hrw> btw - n800 emulation is (C) Nokia
Apr 18 09:42:26 <pupnik> thx for that correction s/application manager/dpkg GeneralAntilles
Apr 18 09:42:38 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, sure.
Apr 18 09:43:02 <GeneralAntilles> One spot among a thousand where we can't entirely blame Nokia. :D
Apr 18 09:43:45 <pupnik> BLEH i say. I suppose it's not 'worth doing' but it'd be ~nice~ if we could install from file and get dependencies
Apr 18 09:44:17 <pupnik> On the other hand, it'd be nice if I started finishing up packages and submitted to extras
Apr 18 09:44:18 <GeneralAntilles> It's Debian behavior
Apr 18 09:44:23 <pupnik> ok
Apr 18 09:44:24 <GeneralAntilles> I'm sure they have a rationale for it.
Apr 18 09:44:36 <pupnik> gtg -- bbl
Apr 18 09:44:43 <GeneralAntilles> Later
Apr 18 10:16:21 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ta for the plug
Apr 18 10:16:32 <GeneralAntilles> I plug things I like. :D
Apr 18 10:18:03 <Jaffa> :)
Apr 18 10:18:29 <Jaffa> Maybe I'll be superfluous when the N900 gets released, but I'm sure I can find something else to do :)
Apr 18 10:19:04 <jott> t, dass Sie an DealExtreme bezahlt haben.$21,43 USD mit PayPal bezahlt haben.
Apr 18 10:19:05 <jott> Der Wechselkurs für diesen Einkauf beträgt 1 EUR = 1,55276USD
Apr 18 10:19:08 <jott> oops
Apr 18 10:19:09 <jott> :)
Apr 18 10:19:12 <jott> hehe
Apr 18 10:20:06 <Cptnodegard> euro, dollar, pound... all shit low atm
Apr 18 10:20:21 <Cptnodegard> seems like the entire world is going to hell except us
Apr 18 10:20:52 <Jaffa> Us == ?
Apr 18 10:20:56 <Cptnodegard> norway
Apr 18 10:21:13 <Cptnodegard> since every other currency is low compared to NOK
Apr 18 10:21:31 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno, 1080p is becoming more popular
Apr 18 10:21:40 <GeneralAntilles> You could always transcode that to whatever works for it. :D
Apr 18 10:21:53 <Veggen> nah, euro has been pretty stable, hasn't it?
Apr 18 10:21:59 <Cptnodegard> no
Apr 18 10:22:08 <Cptnodegard> unde 8NOK :p
Apr 18 10:22:09 <jott> Cptnodegard: on the other hand most of the things in NO are expensive :)
Apr 18 10:22:24 <Veggen> not compared to NOK, but that's because NOK has risen.
Apr 18 10:22:38 <Cptnodegard> exactly my point
Apr 18 10:22:55 <Cptnodegard> ah is ee what you mean
Apr 18 10:23:01 <Veggen> Cptnodegard: It has been "around" 8 for quite a while, I'd call that pretty stable.
Apr 18 10:23:11 <Cptnodegard> indeed
Apr 18 10:23:23 <Cptnodegard> GBP was 9.76 last i checked o0
Apr 18 10:24:12 <Cptnodegard> risen again today...9.99
Apr 18 10:24:41 <Cptnodegard> usd too... 5.00
Apr 18 10:25:30 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 18 10:25:35 <GeneralAntilles> My maemo shirt is finally coming.
Apr 18 10:25:41 <Cptnodegard> from?
Apr 18 10:25:52 <GeneralAntilles> Browser team.
Apr 18 10:25:54 <GeneralAntilles> For bugzilla.
Apr 18 10:26:51 <jott> "i reported 100 bugs and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" is indeed true!?
Apr 18 10:27:01 <Cptnodegard> lmao
Apr 18 10:27:22 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 18 10:34:36 <hrw> Cptnodegard: PLN is also rising
Apr 18 10:34:43 <hrw> Cptnodegard: compared to EUR/USD/GBP
Apr 18 10:34:49 <Cptnodegard> poland?
Apr 18 10:35:23 <hrw> yes
Apr 18 10:35:50 <hrw> and NOK is losing to PLN since  October
Apr 18 10:36:07 <Cptnodegard> you should get USD's :D
Apr 18 10:36:14 <Cptnodegard> and hope theyll eventually go up
Apr 18 10:38:15 <hrw> Cptnodegard: http://wykresy2.onet.pl/dane/biznes/81704,NN,16,1Y,1,waluty_wykres.gif
Apr 18 10:38:57 <Cptnodegard> thats compared to pln?
Apr 18 10:39:00 <hrw> yes
Apr 18 10:39:06 <Cptnodegard> nice
Apr 18 10:39:26 <Cptnodegard> not much you can do about it then, but that means you get even more on gbp/eur/usd than we do
Apr 18 10:44:25 <Cptnodegard> i want to get another 16GB card now that the usd is so low
Apr 18 10:44:29 <Cptnodegard> they cost 60 bucksin the us
Apr 18 10:45:49 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 18 10:52:24 <hrw> 60?
Apr 18 10:53:03 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211245
Apr 18 10:53:32 <sarower> i want to program in opengl in maemo
Apr 18 10:53:42 <Veggen> no, you don't.
Apr 18 10:53:43 <sarower> any body there to help?
Apr 18 10:53:46 <Veggen> :)
Apr 18 10:53:47 <Cptnodegard> i got one of those but i use it for my MP3 players
Apr 18 10:53:50 <Cptnodegard> *-s
Apr 18 10:54:04 <sarower> <Veggen: You are telling me..!
Apr 18 10:54:10 <Cptnodegard> no bodies here. we burried them
Apr 18 10:54:35 <Veggen> sarower: There's no good opengl support in Xomap, right?
Apr 18 10:54:41 <sarower> that i can not program in open gl in maemo?
Apr 18 10:54:43 <hrw> sarower: you do not want opengl on nokia tablets
Apr 18 10:54:48 <hrw> sarower: trust us
Apr 18 10:55:03 <hrw> sarower: there is no HW acceleration available
Apr 18 10:55:07 <sarower> Yah we trust you very much...
Apr 18 10:55:38 <sarower> but i think there is a way to program in open gl for maemo!
Apr 18 10:55:38 <Cptnodegard> [12:55] <sarower> Yah we trust you very much...  <- Maemo Famous Last Words?
Apr 18 10:55:55 <Ivanovic> hiho
Apr 18 10:56:02 <inz> sarower, Sure there is, but software rendering is slow
Apr 18 10:56:11 <hrw> sarower: ok - if you like animations counted in SPF instead of FPS...
Apr 18 10:56:17 <hrw> SecondsPerFrame
Apr 18 10:56:28 <inz> sarower, just compile software mesa for yourself and go knock yourself out
Apr 18 10:57:50 <sarower> inz: Slow is no matter..
Apr 18 10:58:10 <sarower> I have to just implement.. in c++/C
Apr 18 10:58:15 <sarower> INZ!
Apr 18 10:58:16 <inz> sarower, what about unreasonably slow?
Apr 18 10:58:41 <sarower> I have to just learn the process.......
Apr 18 10:58:49 <sarower> i want to learn just..
Apr 18 10:58:53 <sarower> INZ!
Apr 18 10:59:25 <inz> sarower, with that attitude, i doubt you'll get any help
Apr 18 10:59:51 <sarower> Inz: hmm......... right you are....
Apr 18 11:00:03 <sarower> But what can be done   Inz?
Apr 18 11:00:10 <hrw> sarower: then write opengl app for your desktop
Apr 18 11:00:18 <sarower> Then...?
Apr 18 11:00:24 <hrw> it will be working and you will not get frustrated
Apr 18 11:00:29 <sarower> Will it run in N800?
Apr 18 11:00:32 <hrw> 18 13:06 < sarower> i want to learn just..
Apr 18 11:00:34 <sarower> or the device?
Apr 18 11:00:36 <sarower> inz?
Apr 18 11:00:55 <GeneralAntilles> ror
Apr 18 11:00:58 <hrw> sarower: did not I said that nokia tablets *LACK* Hw acceleration of opengl?
Apr 18 11:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> s/r/l/g
Apr 18 11:01:07 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: lol
Apr 18 11:01:09 <inz> sarower, as I said, mesa has a fairly decent software opengl renderer, but it will be sslllllllloooooowwwwwwwwwww
Apr 18 11:01:18 <Veggen> sarower: you'll need to recompile it, etc. And you probably need to compile mesa (software openGL) yourself, because noone else sees the need :)
Apr 18 11:01:38 <sarower> hmmmmmmmmm
Apr 18 11:02:44 <Ivanovic> is anyone from the mplayer port around?
Apr 18 11:03:00 <Ivanovic> i would like to know the configure options used to build the "official" binary of the port
Apr 18 11:03:55 <Veggen> mm, wouldn't we all wish that people just had proper source repositories? :)
Apr 18 11:04:12 <Veggen> (so one could download source package and find out, in a consistent way)
Apr 18 11:04:20 <sarower> inz: Actually do you know the detail processs of how i can use the "Mesa" in mameo??
Apr 18 11:04:36 <sarower> even if it is sssslllllllllllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Apr 18 11:04:37 <inz> sarower, the samy way you would use GL libraries on desktop
Apr 18 11:05:07 <inz> Veggen, mplayer source (or diff to 1.0rc1) is on extras
Apr 18 11:05:15 <sarower> hmmmmm......... Ok than you very much!
Apr 18 11:05:19 <sarower> INZ!
Apr 18 11:05:26 <inz> Please stop shouting
Apr 18 11:05:28 <sarower> Thank you
Apr 18 11:05:30 <sarower> !
Apr 18 11:06:02 <sarower> Inz: Dont tell like this plz!
Apr 18 11:30:09 * jeddy3 is ashamed of living in sweden today
Apr 18 11:30:23 <qwerty12> How come?
Apr 18 11:30:36 <Cptnodegard> they want to tax mmorpg
Apr 18 11:30:45 <qwerty12> Serious?
Apr 18 11:30:48 <Cptnodegard> yes
Apr 18 11:30:57 <jeddy3> Cptnodegard, no, not that :)
Apr 18 11:31:09 <Cptnodegard> lol what else did they do?
Apr 18 11:31:16 <jeddy3> i was thinking of the piratebay-court-mess
Apr 18 11:31:24 <Cptnodegard> ?
Apr 18 11:31:29 <qwerty12> Arr, pirates ftw
Apr 18 11:31:41 <kaatis> arr yeah
Apr 18 11:31:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yarrr, off the plank with ye lubbers!
Apr 18 11:32:07 * X-Fade looks at calendar.
Apr 18 11:32:18 <GeneralAntilles> Every day is ITLAPD
Apr 18 11:32:23 <X-Fade> No, it doesn't seem to be 'talk like a pirate' day..
Apr 18 11:32:27 <jeddy3> hmmm, how can i put this...the police that led the investigation against the piratebay, is as of today, hired by warned brothers
Apr 18 11:32:38 <Cptnodegard> lmao
Apr 18 11:32:51 <qwerty12> eek that is an embarrassing :P
Apr 18 11:33:01 <qwerty12> and so is my sentence >.<
Apr 18 11:33:06 <jeddy3> and above it all, the prosecutor sees "no problem" about him continuing to be used in the trials, eventhough he is hired by one part
Apr 18 11:33:39 <cy3o3> Man, canola is really starting to become my friend
Apr 18 11:33:46 <cy3o3> sup guys
Apr 18 11:33:57 <cy3o3> any word on maemo mapper working with the internal n810 gps?
Apr 18 11:34:11 <jeddy3> wich is the really sick thing about it
Apr 18 11:34:24 <qwerty12> cy3o3, I thought it already did, just taht the N810 gps was rubbish :P
Apr 18 11:34:33 <kaatis> Cptnodegard, maybe the nordic countries should join to create a social democratic mmorpg. loot from monsters is taxed at 50% and given to bureaucracy class and to those who didn't play. :P
Apr 18 11:34:51 <cy3o3> qwerty12: Didn't think so, but haven't tried recently
Apr 18 11:35:01 <cy3o3> internal GPS seems to work fine for me
Apr 18 11:35:10 <cy3o3> just takes too long to sync up with satellites
Apr 18 11:35:35 <johnx> it's worked since the beginning
Apr 18 11:35:39 <Cptnodegard> yeah we spend money on a lot of crap
Apr 18 11:35:40 <Cptnodegard> like the new opera in oslo
Apr 18 11:35:40 <johnx> (w/ the n810 gps)
Apr 18 11:35:54 <Cptnodegard> it cost every inhabitant of norway 140 bucks each
Apr 18 11:36:11 <qwerty12> Oh yeah, taxes are said to be high in Norway, right?
Apr 18 11:36:18 <GeneralAntilles> cy3o3, Maemo Mapper has always worked fine with the N810's GPS
Apr 18 11:36:21 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth, no MAC.
Apr 18 11:36:49 <pupnik> One improvement to maemo mapper would be easier/more robust setup
Apr 18 11:36:51 <Cptnodegard> i earned 22000 USD from summer jobs last year... tax came out to 3500
Apr 18 11:37:02 <X-Fade> Cptnodegard: We spent 6Bn euro on a railway that nobody uses ;)
Apr 18 11:37:05 <Cptnodegard> but normally its way more, 30%
Apr 18 11:37:48 <X-Fade> Cptnodegard: 375 euro pp.
Apr 18 11:37:53 <qwerty12> Woah, is tax evasion high in Norway? :P
Apr 18 11:38:07 <Cptnodegard> lol no
Apr 18 11:38:42 <Cptnodegard> they should use more money on public transportation here... taking the bus is more expensive than taking the car
Apr 18 11:39:13 <qwerty12> Hmm, in London, I've got one more year left of free travel on buses.
Apr 18 11:39:23 <X-Fade> Cptnodegard: Current gas prices will set that off pretty quickly.
Apr 18 11:41:33 <pupnik> Cptnodegard: that's welfare
Apr 18 11:41:46 <Cptnodegard> nop, even with the gas prices as high as they are, it doesnt coma close
Apr 18 11:42:04 <pupnik> it's stealing from one person to give money to another
Apr 18 11:42:10 <pupnik> http://www.pupnik.de/Welfare1000.jpg
Apr 18 11:42:14 <Cptnodegard> taking the bus form here to Lillehammer 17KM away costs / bucks
Apr 18 11:42:17 <Cptnodegard> 7
Apr 18 11:45:55 * jeddy3 is going by regional train to work, 85km for ~$11 one trip :S 
Apr 18 11:46:14 <pupnik> close to german prices
Apr 18 11:46:18 <Cptnodegard> train to oslo, 200KM, is $60
Apr 18 11:46:28 <pupnik> That's good
Apr 18 11:46:53 <Cptnodegard> should be 1/3 that
Apr 18 11:47:10 <jeddy3> Cptnodegard, ouch
Apr 18 11:47:18 <Cptnodegard> i dont pay taxes fot the government to build freaking operas
Apr 18 11:47:33 <pupnik> In taxes, you don't have choice
Apr 18 11:47:35 <cy3o3> I see
Apr 18 11:47:48 <cy3o3> Guess I'll try it out then (maemo mapper w/internal GPS)
Apr 18 11:47:55 <pupnik> Let the train riders pay for the train, the car drivers pay for the road, and the opera goers pay for the opera.
Apr 18 11:47:59 <johnx> pupnik, sure you do: move. :)
Apr 18 11:48:04 <pupnik> That's called free enterprise.
Apr 18 11:48:22 <Cptnodegard> if i got o lillehammer first and tak ethe bus from there, theres a pecial offer tooslo for 30 bucks. but that also takes 3,5 hours vs 2 with train/car
Apr 18 11:48:30 <Cptnodegard> well 2.5 with car
Apr 18 11:48:53 <pupnik> johnx: to antarctica?  When the ice melts sure.
Apr 18 11:49:17 <qwerty12> But on the upside, you can eat penguins!
Apr 18 11:49:26 <johnx> well, you can choose wear to live based on who is doing what with tax money
Apr 18 11:49:43 <johnx> want to support opera, move to where Cptnodegard does :)
Apr 18 11:49:53 <Cptnodegard> :(
Apr 18 11:50:10 <Cptnodegard> i need to move off earth
Apr 18 11:50:25 <qwerty12> Meh, I hate Opera :P (browser and "entertainment") . Although visiting Norway would be nice.
Apr 18 11:50:43 <Cptnodegard> wtf do you wantto come here for?
Apr 18 11:51:00 <qwerty12> Hehe, just to visit, seems like a nice place :P
Apr 18 11:51:15 <Cptnodegard> wow you really are delusional :D
Apr 18 11:51:15 <qwerty12> Come to East London for stabbings, and gang life :P
Apr 18 11:51:40 <qwerty12> Of course :P
Apr 18 11:52:11 <termsig> qwerty12: it's nothing bad..
Apr 18 11:52:47 <johnx> heh...I used to live in Seattle. (WA, US) They built two (2!) stadiums in the city with gov't money rather than 1 train line...
Apr 18 11:53:44 <Cptnodegard> We spent like 100 million on some fighter planes to lick bush'ass... who the fuck is going to invade nroay in 2008?
Apr 18 11:53:45 <termsig> johnx: but train line it's not so important i think, most ppl have cars..
Apr 18 11:53:52 <lcuk> johnx, but how can they play games on a train?
Apr 18 11:54:02 <Cptnodegard> leave it to the us to wage war on anythign that moves
Apr 18 11:54:05 <X-Fade> johnx: Classic Roman knowlegde. To keep your people happy, give them food an plays :)
Apr 18 11:54:20 <johnx> X-Fade, the analogy came to mind...
Apr 18 11:54:58 <johnx> termsig, traffic is 3rd worst in the US (IIRC) and gas prices aren't getting any cheaper. Also, because the bus system is so awful you basically have no choice about owning a car...
Apr 18 11:55:03 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard, Meh, Bush is a knobcheese, lol it may be the US ;) with all the oil :P
Apr 18 11:56:38 * Cptnodegard moves to Petoria
Apr 18 11:56:50 <termsig> johnx: ok then move to Poland :P, every 2m whole in street and price of petrol it's more exp then in uk.
Apr 18 11:57:25 <Cptnodegard> polish truckers always create chaoes in norway
Apr 18 11:57:44 <Cptnodegard> they break down everywhere and try to run cargo in wore down summer tires during the winter
Apr 18 11:57:46 <johnx> meh...I'm just saying. You can't ride the stadium to work, but you can definitely play baseball (and american football!) on a moving train...
Apr 18 11:58:00 <derf> I thought Seattle was 4th.
Apr 18 11:58:05 <derf> Behind LA, SF, and DC.
Apr 18 11:58:08 <johnx> I dunno what it is now
Apr 18 11:58:35 <johnx> still that's a pretty big accomplishment for such a (comparitively) small city...
Apr 18 11:59:05 <derf> Yeah, speaking as a native of DC, I have a hard time imagining your traffic is worse than ours.
Apr 18 11:59:33 <johnx> no trains, no subway and a useless bus system helps...
Apr 18 11:59:33 <derf> And we _have_ a train system. It just isn't actually useful.
Apr 18 12:00:42 <GeneralAntilles> Trains aren't, unfortunately, a magic bullet.
Apr 18 12:00:55 <johnx> they work pretty well some places
Apr 18 12:01:01 * mgedmin sighs nostalgically, remembering trains in Denmark
Apr 18 12:01:07 <lcuk> sure they are - as long as you line up your target somewhere along the track
Apr 18 12:01:21 <derf> I've been to countries with good train systems.
Apr 18 12:01:36 <johnx> All they need in Seattle is a train that follows I-5 (the major freeway) as closely as possible
Apr 18 12:01:37 <derf> Denmark, the Netherlands, Japan, etc.
Apr 18 12:02:00 <lcuk> manchester (england) metro trams work quite nicely, but they havent got the choice of location
Apr 18 12:03:53 <derf> It's really amazing how much easier it makes getting around.
Apr 18 12:09:04 <barisione> do you know why "svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/" asks for a username and password?
Apr 18 12:09:35 <johnx> maybe try without the s in https?
Apr 18 12:09:43 <barisione> it doesn't work
Apr 18 12:09:45 <barisione> it redirects
Apr 18 12:09:51 <johnx> but also, browser-ui is non-free
Apr 18 12:09:54 <johnx> IIRC
Apr 18 12:10:11 <barisione> browser-eal is MPL
Apr 18 12:10:54 <X-Fade> barisione: Perhaps because the certificate expired today. They are replacing it atm I think..
Apr 18 12:11:07 <barisione> oh
Apr 18 12:11:28 <barisione> it complained about the cert, I just say accept even if it's expired
Apr 18 12:15:00 <Ivanovic> someone from the mplayer project around?
Apr 18 12:15:12 <Ivanovic> i would like to know which configure options are used for the official build
Apr 18 12:16:51 <qwerty12> Ivanovic, I'm not from mplayer but I have the options in a patch I've got. Which model are you compiling for?
Apr 18 12:17:07 <Ivanovic> this will be for an n810
Apr 18 12:17:22 <qwerty12> Wait a sec.
Apr 18 12:17:26 <Ivanovic> but i would like to know what the official one is build with as in "which support is active, what is removed"
Apr 18 12:17:37 <Ivanovic> eg using rtp streaming and stuff like this
Apr 18 12:17:57 <qwerty12> Here, http://pastebin.com/m229188b8
Apr 18 12:18:33 <Ivanovic> (at university we will be trying to build some multimedia networks using the n810, that is video/autio streaming, stuff like this, would be neat if we could "just" extend what is there already and basically do some gui work to glue everything together)
Apr 18 12:18:45 <jott> barisione: isn't the project called "browser" not browser-ui?
Apr 18 12:19:03 <barisione> jott: they are 2 different things
Apr 18 12:19:15 <barisione> in can see it in the svn web interface
Apr 18 12:19:20 <jott> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/browser-ui/?root=browser&sortdir=down
Apr 18 12:19:40 <Ivanovic> qwerty12: so those are the options used for the official one, too?
Apr 18 12:19:54 <Ivanovic> why is v4l left out, thought the camera was just a v4l device
Apr 18 12:20:48 <qwerty12> Ivanovic, they are afaik.
Apr 18 12:21:04 <qwerty12> The patch was taken from Serge's mplayer and updated for RC2
Apr 18 12:21:14 <jott> barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/
Apr 18 12:21:20 <qwerty12> Ivanovic, most people dont need it. There are builds with it enabled though.
Apr 18 12:21:40 <Ivanovic> qwerty12: do you know if there is a commandline option to paste out all the supported stuff?
Apr 18 12:21:41 <jott> barisione: i.e. svn co http://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/browser-ui/trunk/browser-eal/
Apr 18 12:21:49 <Ivanovic> like supported protocols and codecs?
Apr 18 12:21:51 <jott> sorry
Apr 18 12:21:55 <jott> wrong again ;)
Apr 18 12:22:09 <qwerty12> Ivanovic, you mean the configure options?
Apr 18 12:22:26 <Ivanovic> qwerty12: nah, that would be ./configure --help
Apr 18 12:22:32 <Ivanovic> i mean from the existing binary
Apr 18 12:22:55 <qwerty12> No I'm not sure, sorry. When you try something though, it tells you its not supported.
Apr 18 12:23:23 <Ivanovic> okay, thanks for you help
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Apr 18 12:54:17 <qwerty12> pupnik, Can I ask here if you are around? I've got a folder with rtl8187 drivers which is useless unless I can send it to you? :P
Apr 18 12:54:26 <qwerty12> ^useless to me
Apr 18 13:01:30 <qwerty12> Anyone knows where the font of OMWeather is defined (source, gconf key, config file ) etc?
Apr 18 13:02:36 <AStorm> qwerty12: gconf
Apr 18 13:02:52 <AStorm> but it has its own prfs too
Apr 18 13:02:52 <qwerty12> AStorm, I looked in gconf but all I could see was the colour :(
Apr 18 13:03:06 <AStorm> it sets that when you change it
Apr 18 13:03:29 <qwerty12> Ah, I'll take another look
Apr 18 13:03:46 <AStorm> go to the home menu and select Applet settings
Apr 18 13:04:19 <qwerty12> All I can see in there is font colour :)
Apr 18 13:04:44 <AStorm> wait...
Apr 18 13:05:02 <AStorm> indeed
Apr 18 13:05:15 <AStorm> it seens to use system (fontconfig) sans
Apr 18 13:05:36 <AStorm> no option for you (no schema)
Apr 18 13:05:53 <qwerty12> Yes, I saw that but when I search the source code for sans, it returns nothing. My theme is set to a different font so if it was geting it from there, it would have changed.
Apr 18 13:06:57 <Jsn0327> does anyone know if there is a text editor included with os2008 that can be run as root from the terminal?
Apr 18 13:07:13 <qwerty12> vi?
Apr 18 13:08:07 <GeneralAntilles> 6
Apr 18 13:08:15 <GeneralAntilles> s/6/^/
Apr 18 13:08:15 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: ^
Apr 18 13:08:26 <qwerty12> 9?
Apr 18 13:10:08 <Jsn0327> is there a better text editor for terminal that i can download than vi?
Apr 18 13:10:14 <qwerty12> leafpad
Apr 18 13:10:17 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Apr 18 13:10:25 <GeneralAntilles> Well, vim.
Apr 18 13:10:33 <solmumaha> nano
Apr 18 13:10:38 <GeneralAntilles> nano is garbage. :P
Apr 18 13:10:49 <Jsn0327> i have leafpad but it won't run from terminal
Apr 18 13:10:51 <GeneralAntilles> It's particularly broken on maemo
Apr 18 13:10:53 <Jsn0327> what about gedit?
Apr 18 13:10:53 <qwerty12> nano segfaults like crazy on my n800
Apr 18 13:10:55 <GeneralAntilles> since search just segfaults.
Apr 18 13:11:06 <qwerty12> Jsn0327, run leafpad with run-standalone.sh in front
Apr 18 13:11:11 <solmumaha> nano-tiny has worked fine
Apr 18 13:11:16 <GeneralAntilles> What's wrong with vi, anyway, Jsn0327?
Apr 18 13:11:34 <qwerty12> I actually prefer the vi that comes with maemo to the one on my ubuntu distro.
Apr 18 13:11:56 <GeneralAntilles> vim has extra features that get in the way if you don't set it up how you want it, qwerty12.
Apr 18 13:11:56 <Jsn0327> when i ran vi with userContent.css it didnt have a way to enter a new line without going all the way to the 26th page of the file
Apr 18 13:12:07 <GeneralAntilles> Press i
Apr 18 13:12:32 <GeneralAntilles> Look at this as a good opportunity to learn vi.
Apr 18 13:12:42 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Ah thanks. I'm gonna look into it but I guess gedit works for me in ubuntu.
Apr 18 13:12:50 <GeneralAntilles> Which is an important skill, as it's the only editor you can rely on being in every since *nix distribution on the planet.
Apr 18 13:13:09 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's a time investment getting vim up to your own preferences.
Apr 18 13:13:13 <wnd> not to mention vi (and especially vim) rocks :-)
Apr 18 13:13:14 <GeneralAntilles> Worth the investment
Apr 18 13:13:16 <GeneralAntilles> but still.
Apr 18 13:13:27 <Veggen> And contrary to what you might think, vi(m) *is* a very powerful editor.
Apr 18 13:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> Also, figuring out what those preferences are. ;)
Apr 18 13:13:56 <RST38h> General: Wrong
Apr 18 13:14:01 <Jsn0327> GeneralAntilles:  do you know if they've made any headway in getting a mouse to work with the n810?  I know that you post on the forums alot
Apr 18 13:14:08 <RST38h> General: If you want ot be really reliable you should rely on ED!
Apr 18 13:14:29 <qwerty12> Come think of it an emacs port exists for os2007
Apr 18 13:14:31 <qwerty12> *os2008
Apr 18 13:14:40 <Jsn0327> vim takes up 20 megs!
Apr 18 13:14:41 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, :P
Apr 18 13:15:03 <RST38h> Emacs is scary - how do you know that its LISP-based AI isn't editing some part of your document while you are not watching?
Apr 18 13:15:07 <GeneralAntilles> Jsn0327, I haven't paid any attention to mouse support.
Apr 18 13:15:11 <mgedmin> vim comes with lots of scripts, syntax files, help files
Apr 18 13:15:23 <RST38h> Why do you need 20MB for VIM?
Apr 18 13:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Jsn0327, just use vi.
Apr 18 13:15:35 <qwerty12> Jsn0327, why not run as root "run-standalone.sh leafpad userContent.css"
Apr 18 13:15:37 <liquid217> i prefer joe, when I have a choice of editors
Apr 18 13:15:52 * RST38h prefers pico but can live with nano
Apr 18 13:16:00 <Jsn0327> i'm trying that now
Apr 18 13:16:20 <qwerty12> Although you can set up the root environment to not give you error messages like the leafpad one but it makes it go into gtk original style (ie not hildonised)
Apr 18 13:16:49 <Jsn0327> qwerty12:  Thanks that worked
Apr 18 13:17:31 <qwerty12> Np, but I'm sure you don't have to be root to edit userContent.css come think of it.
Apr 18 13:18:54 <Jsn0327> well you have to be root to do soo much stuff in linux, I just do it anyway
Apr 18 13:19:21 <qwerty12> Hehe, sometimes it's not a good idea. I've messed up a few permissions like that... :p
Apr 18 13:19:44 <Jsn0327> lol
Apr 18 13:19:51 <Jsn0327> i know then u just do chown
Apr 18 13:20:20 <qwerty12> Hehe, too much work for me :P but yes, when that happens I have to do that :)
Apr 18 13:20:28 <Jsn0327> I can't believe that linux programmers are soo paranoid that you are going to screw something up, that you have to type sudo in front of everything
Apr 18 13:20:30 <wnd> generally you only need to be root to change things that affect all users. you also may have to run "a user" application as root if the application is faulty, misconfigured, badly written, or simply doing something that it's not supposed to do.
Apr 18 13:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> It's a security measure, Jsn0327. :\
Apr 18 13:21:07 <Jsn0327> i know it is.  But people use windows everyday and login as adminstrator with minimal problems
Apr 18 13:21:10 <GeneralAntilles> Part of using a system designed for multiple users.
Apr 18 13:21:21 <GeneralAntilles> As opposed to Window's broken multi-user implementation.
Apr 18 13:21:39 <Veggen> "minimal problems"?
Apr 18 13:21:40 <wnd> in most cases fiddling around as super user is simply ignorance or stupidity. no offence.
Apr 18 13:21:52 <GeneralAntilles> Jsn0327, more viruses, spyware, adware, trojans and worms than you can possibly imagine is "minimal"?
Apr 18 13:22:12 <wnd> erm, s/ignorance/ignorant/; s/stupidity/stupid/
Apr 18 13:22:31 <Jsn0327> putting all that aside, i'm talking about the average user using his desktop
Apr 18 13:23:09 <trickie_> Jsn0327: well the average user shouldn't want to be able to accidently rm -rf /
Apr 18 13:23:16 <Veggen> the average people is exactly the people that *get* problems from running as administrator, they just don't know it.
Apr 18 13:23:28 <wnd> I can't think of anything that would require an ordinary user to do as root, except for updating the os
Apr 18 13:23:40 <trickie_> or have some build script 'accidently' f-up their system libs
Apr 18 13:24:20 <Jsn0327> the built script is going to f-up your system when you run it as root anyway.  either way you are going to run the script
Apr 18 13:24:46 <trickie_> that doesn't make sense
Apr 18 13:24:59 <Jsn0327> you have to be root to do everything in linux.  Install an app, remove an app, update an app, save a text file to a directory.  edit certain files
Apr 18 13:25:12 <trickie_> thats not true
Apr 18 13:25:27 <trickie_> you need to be root to install some apps systemwide
Apr 18 13:25:30 <trickie_> which makes sense
Apr 18 13:25:39 <trickie_> how else will you secure a multi-user installation?
Apr 18 13:25:46 <trickie_> as for 'save a text file to a directory.  edit certain files'
Apr 18 13:25:57 <trickie_> i think you missing the point
Apr 18 13:26:22 <trickie_> what directory are you trying to save text files to?
Apr 18 13:26:34 <trickie_> or what certain files are you talking about
Apr 18 13:26:41 <Jsn0327> trickie_  what i'm saying is that if i want to run a script that was written by someone else.  i'm going to run it as root if it doesn't run from my user account.  either way i'm going to run it.  i'm the owner of the computer.  i shouldn't have to type sudo for everything.  Maybe it makes more sence since there are not multiple user accounts on linux, and it was meant for everyone to use one account, but if that's the case then they should make 
Apr 18 13:26:43 <wnd> trickie_, wrong directory and wrong files ;-)
Apr 18 13:27:33 <trickie_> Jsn0327: well you can just login as root, and hope the best
Apr 18 13:27:39 <Jsn0327> it's not wrong directory and wrong files.  When i first installed ubuntu, everything was owned by root.  I had to change all of the permissions to my user account to be able to save anything
Apr 18 13:27:50 <trickie_> and then oneday you will see why user privileges are sperated as they are
Apr 18 13:27:54 <wnd> :-D
Apr 18 13:28:00 <Jsn0327> yeah then every kid out there can hack into the root account of my machine
Apr 18 13:28:12 <trickie_> Jsn0327: well you were trying to save it in the wrong directory
Apr 18 13:28:24 <trickie_> Jsn0327: exactly
Apr 18 13:28:35 <trickie_> you cannot have your cake and eat it too
Apr 18 13:28:51 <Jsn0327> is there a way to make multiple user accounts in linux?
Apr 18 13:28:57 <Jsn0327> then i can have my cake and eat it to
Apr 18 13:28:57 <wnd> :-D
Apr 18 13:29:08 <Veggen> Jsn0327: uh? Of course there is.
Apr 18 13:29:11 <RST38h> Jsn0327: You will not believe it but THERE IS!
Apr 18 13:29:17 <Jsn0327> lol
Apr 18 13:29:21 <qwerty12> OMG
Apr 18 13:29:29 <trickie_> Jsn0327: i reckon you should go read some more on how a unix/linux system works
Apr 18 13:29:32 <trickie_> might make more sense
Apr 18 13:29:34 <RST38h> Isn't it amazing?
Apr 18 13:29:35 <trickie_> and less frustrating
Apr 18 13:29:44 <wnd> and I thought #debian was a funny place to be :-D
Apr 18 13:30:07 <qwerty12> if you apt-get install adduser, you can even do it on OS2008. Grab Fanoush's framebuffer mod and run getty and you can log in with it too.
Apr 18 13:30:50 <Jsn0327> yeah right.  my n810 slows down enough with one user.  I wouldn't even think about adding another one
Apr 18 13:31:09 <Jsn0327> i need it for my ubuntu desktop
Apr 18 13:31:17 <inz> Jsn, the other users only slow down the system if they're doing something
Apr 18 13:31:25 <qwerty12> Have you been in System,Administration yet>
Apr 18 13:31:27 <qwerty12> *?
Apr 18 13:31:49 <qwerty12> Nice little applet called Users & Groups ;) :p
Apr 18 13:32:01 <Jsn0327> yeah but from what i've heard, linux was designed for multiple users with one desktop.  Thats why i haven't looked into multiple accounts/desktops
Apr 18 13:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> Jsn0327, seriously, go read up on *nix. You're revealing an awful lot of ignorance here. :)
Apr 18 13:33:06 <qwerty12> Man, I wish my router didn't suck balls.
Apr 18 13:33:11 <Jsn0327> GeneralAntilles:  Honestly I don't care how much ignorance i'm revealing. It's called being new to linux
Apr 18 13:33:22 <trickie_> Jsn0327: or at least ask specific questions
Apr 18 13:33:23 <Jsn0327> Everyone starts somewhere
Apr 18 13:33:35 <trickie_> Jsn0327: and don't rely on heresay
Apr 18 13:33:39 <trickie_> cause its wrong
Apr 18 13:33:49 <RST38h> Jsn0327: Actually, it is called having misconceptions about Linux
Apr 18 13:33:52 <Jsn0327> I appreciate your help everyone.
Apr 18 13:34:10 <GeneralAntilles> There's a difference between being new and spewing incorrect things like you know what you're talking about. ;)
Apr 18 13:34:18 <RST38h> Let me quickly lookup if there is some online document you can read.
Apr 18 13:34:26 <trickie_> Jsn0327: i recommend reading some more about how a linux works, accounts, filesystem etc and you will be less frustrated
Apr 18 13:34:43 <Jsn0327> I have to go help out at my daughters school.  Talk to you guys later.
Apr 18 13:35:24 <RST38h> Ran away
Apr 18 13:35:29 * mgedmin sees Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 288: _dl_start_final: Assertion `info->l.l_tls_modid == 0' failed! in scratchbox
Apr 18 13:35:32 * mgedmin scratches head
Apr 18 13:36:17 <GeneralAntilles> It wants a cookie, mgedmin.
Apr 18 13:36:19 <GeneralAntilles> Feed it.
Apr 18 13:36:25 <liquid217> echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
Apr 18 13:36:36 <Veggen> Well. It's not that it's bad to be a beginner. But many beginners that come from Windows doesn't want Linux, they want "a better Windows", and thinks Linux is that because someone has told them Linux is better.
Apr 18 13:36:47 <inz> Veggen, he's gone already
Apr 18 13:36:53 <Veggen> mmm, saw.
Apr 18 13:38:31 <MangoFusion> would now be a bad time to indicate that i use a mac? ;)
Apr 18 13:38:33 * MangoFusion runs
Apr 18 13:38:41 <GeneralAntilles> Join the club. :P
Apr 18 13:39:18 <MangoFusion> mactel or macppc?
Apr 18 13:39:30 <GeneralAntilles> PPC, duh.
Apr 18 13:40:20 <MangoFusion> currently just got me macbook and mac mini (ppc)
Apr 18 13:40:30 <MangoFusion> pity there's no decent sync for my n800
Apr 18 13:40:46 <MangoFusion> though then again, i probably wouldn't sync anything anyway
Apr 18 13:40:50 <MangoFusion> ;)
Apr 18 13:46:53 <GeneralAntilles> lol, qwerty12, how do you deal with that font and color in FBReader? <_<
Apr 18 13:47:12 <RST38h> What are those font and color?
Apr 18 13:47:18 <qwerty12> Hehe, I can read it fine :). I read in the dark with my light off so it works for me :)
Apr 18 13:47:46 * GeneralAntilles shudders.
Apr 18 13:48:20 <GeneralAntilles> SwissA 16pt 1.3 white-on-black is the way for me.
Apr 18 13:49:14 <qwerty12> I've always found red to be good, but I've probably killed off my "night vision" years ago when I started reading books of a tiny K750 screen
Apr 18 13:49:42 <Navi> I like white on gray
Apr 18 13:49:46 <RST38h> green-on-red? =)
Apr 18 13:49:47 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Apr 18 13:49:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo
Apr 18 13:49:54 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell put in that security section?
Apr 18 13:49:57 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody want to take a bet?
Apr 18 13:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> What a joke.
Apr 18 13:50:10 <RST38h> black on wheat-yellow is nice
Apr 18 13:50:42 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, I'm pretty sure I know who did it
Apr 18 13:50:51 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, you should post that desktop in screenshots thread, most modded out of all of them :P
Apr 18 13:51:07 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn
Apr 18 13:51:16 <GeneralAntilles> I look away for a few days and they rape that article.
Apr 18 13:51:26 <Navi> What a moron
Apr 18 13:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> Talk about having an ax to grind.
Apr 18 13:51:39 <Navi> ipconfig > most of the other crap on Linux
Apr 18 13:51:40 <Navi> er
Apr 18 13:51:44 <Navi> not ipconfig >_>
Apr 18 13:51:47 * Navi sighs
Apr 18 13:52:53 <Navi> Anyways
Apr 18 13:52:55 <RST38h> General: You should just add to that section that Maemo also does not include support for electrocuting unauthorized users and thus totally lacks physical security
Apr 18 13:53:02 <Navi> iptables > the other crap on Linux
Apr 18 13:53:21 * GeneralAntilles goes to cleanup the article again.
Apr 18 13:53:23 <qwerty12> Hmm, will penguinbait's kde run off a 1gb card? I know it says minimum is 2gb but I'm a tramp and only have 1gb
Apr 18 13:53:30 <GeneralAntilles> Why do my requests for assistance there only pull in the crazy people. :<
Apr 18 13:53:51 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, should I just build an iptables frontend and the useless clamav to satisfy those people?
Apr 18 13:53:54 <RST38h> And, for cost reasons, Nokia does not supply german shepherds with its tablets, making it impossible to secure devices
Apr 18 13:54:15 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody keeps insisting on coming in to fuck up the intro. <_<
Apr 18 13:55:27 <Navi> "The security deficiencies of ITOS may explain why it has not been installed in a smartphone but only in PDA style devices with no direct ability to use the telephone network, as infected telephones could be used to stage a denial of service attack by repeatedly ringing a selected number, with the potential for loss of life if emergency service were targeted."
Apr 18 13:55:27 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, What's wrong with it? I'm not saying I endorse the new intro but I can't see what the mistake/bad thing is?
Apr 18 13:55:29 <Navi> \o/
Apr 18 13:55:43 <GeneralAntilles> Major redundancy
Apr 18 13:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid " - "'-
Apr 18 13:55:57 <GeneralAntilles> s/-/s/2
Apr 18 13:56:10 <RST38h> qwerty: it is meaningless
Apr 18 13:56:14 <GeneralAntilles> Plus, it was fine like it was.
Apr 18 13:56:16 <Navi> qwerty12, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maemo&oldid=206245471#Security
Apr 18 13:56:25 <qwerty12> Ah, thanks.
Apr 18 13:56:44 <Navi> It's common Linux misconceptions spewed from a Windows moron.
Apr 18 13:56:46 <qwerty12> Eek, I can see the shit on that page
Apr 18 13:56:52 <GeneralAntilles> The Future section is more bullshit.
Apr 18 13:57:29 <RST38h> Is there a way to make some script keep the page in order automatically?
Apr 18 13:57:54 <RST38h> Simply check it every few days on cron and bring it back to the original state?
Apr 18 13:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell put those "footnotes" in?
Apr 18 13:58:17 <johnx> you could ask someone at wikipedia to lock it I guess...
Apr 18 13:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> They completely screwed up the numbering.
Apr 18 13:58:37 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, johnx, I'll just have to pay better attention.
Apr 18 13:58:40 <Navi> Oh god
Apr 18 13:58:52 <Navi> He links to the register in that article, and takes them seriously
Apr 18 13:59:19 <Cptnodegard> great i got an idea for somethign i need, and it doesnt really exist
Apr 18 14:00:45 <Navi> Someone should build the bloatware security apps for the losers in the security threads on ITT
Apr 18 14:00:49 <jott> haha i really wonder why someone put such effort in writing such a crap on wikipedia that will obviously get deleted
Apr 18 14:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 18 14:01:08 <GeneralAntilles> Because they're stupid
Apr 18 14:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> Read meanwhile's posts on ITT, jott.
Apr 18 14:01:21 <GeneralAntilles> You'll soon realize why.
Apr 18 14:01:41 <X-Fade> Damn, he's putting in a lot of hours too..
Apr 18 14:01:46 <Navi> X-Fade, yeah
Apr 18 14:01:49 <X-Fade> If I look at that history list ;)
Apr 18 14:02:05 <Navi> Yeh
Apr 18 14:02:16 <trickie_> ha, thats funny
Apr 18 14:03:03 * GeneralAntilles is confused by the buzz-word comment.
Apr 18 14:03:23 <Navi> ?
Apr 18 14:03:30 <GeneralAntilles> See talk.
Apr 18 14:04:22 <Navi> Get straight to the point and provide sources to back up the content
Apr 18 14:04:26 * johnx shakes his head. "Never mud-wrestle with a pig, you'll both get muddy and the pig likes it."
Apr 18 14:04:26 * qwerty12 is confused too. 
Apr 18 14:04:37 <Navi> Of course, that's extremely ironic :D
Apr 18 14:04:45 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, which is exactly what I was doing. :P
Apr 18 14:05:25 <Navi> He complained about iptables
Apr 18 14:05:27 <Navi> someone should kill him
Apr 18 14:08:10 <GeneralAntilles> Nice, citing a forum thread. :\
Apr 18 14:08:21 * Navi should stop grabbing outdated control files from debian packages
Apr 18 14:08:27 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure what all that bullshit about Trolltech is about
Apr 18 14:08:33 <johnx> does that mean I can say "meanwhile is wrong" then cite the irclog?
Apr 18 14:08:33 <qwerty12> solmumaha, just felt like saying thanks. your shadow warrior port kept me alive in the doctor's surgery waiting room.
Apr 18 14:10:17 <qwerty12> hehe Reggie installed that thanks mod
Apr 18 14:10:31 <Navi> johnx, of course!
Apr 18 14:10:37 <GeneralAntilles> Umptious seems to think all technical terms are "buzzwords"
Apr 18 14:10:51 <qwerty12> Shows how much of a knob he is.
Apr 18 14:11:17 <Navi> Yeah, buzz words like: GeneralAntilles, qwerty12, Linux, Hildon, Matchbox, Debian, etc.
Apr 18 14:11:37 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, you really should remove them.
Apr 18 14:12:31 <GeneralAntilles> OK
Apr 18 14:12:42 <GeneralAntilles> Think it's mostly clear of bullshit.
Apr 18 14:13:18 <GeneralAntilles> Jesus christ
Apr 18 14:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> Did he go in and screw with the Mobil Operating Systems table, too?
Apr 18 14:14:05 <GeneralAntilles> +e
Apr 18 14:14:21 <Navi> Yeah, he did.
Apr 18 14:14:23 <Navi> :/
Apr 18 14:14:25 <mgedmin> dear lazyirc, where's the maemo porting bora -> chinook document?
Apr 18 14:15:04 <Navi> I think it was just a small header change and a recompile
Apr 18 14:15:09 <mgedmin> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html
Apr 18 14:15:12 <mgedmin> there
Apr 18 14:15:46 <mgedmin> no, wait, that's not it
Apr 18 14:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> Alright, who wants to volunteer to flesh out the SDK section a bit? :D
Apr 18 14:19:23 <GeneralAntilles> My knowledge there is just a touch lacking.
Apr 18 14:22:44 <qwerty12> Does anyone know the right -march= line for Chinook Armel SB target?
Apr 18 14:33:05 <mgedmin> is there really no guide of porting bora apps to chinook?
Apr 18 14:33:15 <mgedmin> do I have to manually diff the maemo-3.0 and maemo-4.0 porting guides?
Apr 18 14:33:16 <mgedmin> youck
Apr 18 14:35:42 <mgedmin> maemo 3.0 guide had a section on "Porting to maemo 3.x from maemo 2.x."
Apr 18 14:35:54 <mgedmin> where's the "Porting to maemo 4.x from maemo 3.x"???
Apr 18 14:37:17 <MangoFusion> the dog ate it
Apr 18 14:37:43 <GeneralAntilles> Damn that dog!
Apr 18 14:37:48 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin, I swear I've seen it
Apr 18 14:37:52 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno where, though.
Apr 18 14:48:04 <Cptnodegard> is there anythign like a scanner pen that mounts like a keyboard and lets you suse it as a highlight marker? i.e you would use it for studying by "highlighting", and the text would pop up as you go on a text editor?
Apr 18 14:48:44 <johnx> well, there are scanner pens, but they hand bitmaps to the computer
Apr 18 14:48:56 <johnx> it would be up to you to get the computer to do the OCR as it comes in
Apr 18 14:49:24 <Cptnodegard> yeah thats what i found
Apr 18 14:49:27 <Cptnodegard> thats really too bad
Apr 18 14:49:44 <johnx> doing OCR on the scanner would be silly though
Apr 18 14:49:47 <Cptnodegard> would pwn to highlight school texts and get notes as you go
Apr 18 14:50:04 <Cptnodegard> not enough power?
Apr 18 14:50:12 <johnx> exactly
Apr 18 14:50:24 <Cptnodegard> too bad...
Apr 18 14:50:25 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody make a hardware OCR?
Apr 18 14:50:36 <johnx> I honestly don't know
Apr 18 14:50:46 <johnx> if they ever did, I don't see why they'd bother these days
Apr 18 14:51:00 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I'd doubt it.
Apr 18 14:51:06 <GeneralAntilles> Mildly humorous, though. :D
Apr 18 14:51:11 <Cptnodegard> i want one of those DocuPens
Apr 18 14:51:28 <johnx> well, there's nothing to stop you from hacking together something that OCRed as the scanner pen threw data at the computer
Apr 18 14:51:48 <Cptnodegard> yeah there is
Apr 18 14:51:50 <Cptnodegard> skills
Apr 18 14:51:53 <Cptnodegard> or lack there of :p
Apr 18 14:51:57 <johnx> and then attach it to a gtk-input method :)
Apr 18 14:51:58 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Apr 18 14:52:06 <johnx> you only need time -or- skills :)
Apr 18 14:52:11 <johnx> one can replace the other
Apr 18 14:52:12 <Cptnodegard> lol
Apr 18 14:52:26 <Cptnodegard> yeah but im already 20, i'd be dead before i was half finished
Apr 18 14:52:31 <GeneralAntilles> Patience and willpower should be thrown in there, too. ;)
Apr 18 14:53:24 <Cptnodegard> technically if the scanner pen spit out small strips of bitmaps you can still make a list of them
Apr 18 14:53:41 <johnx> I'm sure you can write a gtk input method in python
Apr 18 14:53:43 <Cptnodegard> im surprised its not more used since highlighting shit is done by millions of students
Apr 18 14:53:47 <johnx> that saves a lot of pain right there
Apr 18 14:54:04 * GeneralAntilles only highlights when he has to for an assignment.
Apr 18 14:54:14 <Cptnodegard> exams :p
Apr 18 14:54:26 <johnx> Cptnodegard, I do like the idea, actually. :D
Apr 18 14:54:52 <Cptnodegard> this shit is so boring and dry that they ship this book to flooded areas to absorb water
Apr 18 14:55:05 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Apr 18 14:55:09 <GeneralAntilles> I'm tired of school
Apr 18 14:55:12 <GeneralAntilles> I want to do stuff.
Apr 18 14:55:25 <johnx> so workflow: press button on scanner pen, capture script is launched, press button again, script hands bitmap to gocr, gocr hands it to gtk- input method, input in word processor
Apr 18 14:55:28 <johnx> maybe?
Apr 18 14:55:33 <Cptnodegard> johnx yeah the idea seems smart to me, so imsurprised it doesnt exist
Apr 18 14:55:52 <GeneralAntilles> Press sensitive script to activate the scanner.
Apr 18 14:55:55 <johnx> I think those scanner pens don't work that well
Apr 18 14:55:59 <GeneralAntilles> s/script/tip/
Apr 18 14:55:59 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Press sensitive tip to activate the scanner.
Apr 18 14:56:34 <Cptnodegard> but yeah that would be the way to do it
Apr 18 15:10:02 <pancake> can anybody give me the lines in their scratchbox's sources.list?
Apr 18 15:18:18 <pancake> hello?
Apr 18 15:18:22 <liquid217> wow, just had another tremor here in kentucky
Apr 18 15:19:10 <||cw> here in stl too
Apr 18 15:26:04 <Khertan_on_n810> Hi
Apr 18 15:26:25 <phunguy> oh god
Apr 18 15:26:36 <phunguy> i'm really bored
Apr 18 15:26:57 <phunguy> i'm at a tech conference in toronto
Apr 18 15:27:07 <Khertan_on_n810> someone have try python-evolution ?
Apr 18 15:27:18 <Khertan_on_n810> it s unfinished on maemo ?
Apr 18 15:27:31 <Khertan_on_n810> or __doc__ is missing
Apr 18 15:27:32 <Khertan_on_n810> ?
Apr 18 15:27:50 <lmoura> Khertan_on_n810, doc is missing
Apr 18 15:27:58 <lmoura> but it's a 1-on-1 to desktop version
Apr 18 15:28:24 <Khertan_on_n810> so i can read evolution tasks db . thx for the infos
Apr 18 15:28:57 <Khertan_on_n810> (i m trying to make a applet for Tasks (the one from pimlico project))
Apr 18 15:29:18 <Khertan_on_n810> lmoura > do u have see my small applet ?
Apr 18 15:29:28 <Khertan_on_n810> :)
Apr 18 15:29:40 <lmoura> Khertan_on_n810, no, I'm stil really busy with college =\
Apr 18 15:29:54 <Khertan_on_n810> ah :)
Apr 18 15:30:12 <Khertan_on_n810> take a look on maemo.org/downloads
Apr 18 15:30:21 <Khertan_on_n810> there is screenshots
Apr 18 15:30:22 <lmoura> ok
Apr 18 15:30:30 <phunguy> lm
Apr 18 15:30:31 <Khertan_on_n810> s/is/are
Apr 18 15:30:40 <phunguy> what u takin?
Apr 18 15:30:45 <phunguy> in college
Apr 18 15:35:46 <phunguy> behnam!
Apr 18 15:39:21 <lardman> afternoon all
Apr 18 15:41:06 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Did you fix that shit from meanwhile at 14:11?
Apr 18 15:42:13 <GeneralAntilles> Asshole reverted it.
Apr 18 15:42:24 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GeneralAntilles&redirect=no
Apr 18 15:42:27 <GeneralAntilles> "vandalism"
Apr 18 15:42:28 <GeneralAntilles> WTF
Apr 18 15:42:31 <qwerty12> Yep. the guy don't know shit
Apr 18 15:43:42 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn
Apr 18 15:43:46 <GeneralAntilles> I really don't feel like fighting this battle.
Apr 18 15:43:55 <GeneralAntilles> He's completely and totally full of shit.
Apr 18 15:44:08 <GeneralAntilles> and he's pulling vandalism bullshit on me.
Apr 18 15:44:16 <GeneralAntilles> Yet another reason to hate wikipedia.
Apr 18 15:46:02 <lardman> Sorry to go OT, but if I pull from svn, then make changes and do a build in the directory to which I pulled (thereby creating files that don't want to be commited), will a simple "svn commit" just add back the changed versions of the files I pulled?
Apr 18 15:46:03 <MangoFusion> there are power hungry asses on every site
Apr 18 15:46:29 <qwerty12> The guy's a stupid fuck. Look at his source for "... due to the role of daemon processes as forwarders of such messages. (Malware could use a firewall approved daemon to send data out, by-passing the need to get permission itself.)" (which is bs) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19074
Apr 18 15:46:31 <MangoFusion> personally i'd use a different username
Apr 18 15:47:02 <GeneralAntilles> I simply don't have the energy to try and fight this battle with a power hungry lunatic.
Apr 18 15:47:29 <lardman> Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts ??
Apr 18 15:48:23 <lardman> can one find thanked posts on ITT?
Apr 18 15:48:35 <qwerty12> Yeah, click their profile.
Apr 18 15:48:40 <GeneralAntilles> Goddamn
Apr 18 15:48:44 <GeneralAntilles> This is ridiculous
Apr 18 15:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> I go to try and put together a decent wikipedia entry for a platform
Apr 18 15:48:59 <GeneralAntilles> and get accuse of vandalism and bribe taking.
Apr 18 15:49:15 <lardman> k, thanks
Apr 18 15:49:22 <MangoFusion> fight misinformation with misinformation, thats what i say
Apr 18 15:49:32 <GeneralAntilles> He expects me to fight his bullshit.
Apr 18 15:50:11 <MangoFusion> the internet is just a big mmorpg
Apr 18 15:50:26 <qwerty12> I think Navi was right with killing him, anyone know a hitman?
Apr 18 15:51:12 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just gonna revert it
Apr 18 15:51:16 <GeneralAntilles> If he wants to have me banned
Apr 18 15:51:20 <GeneralAntilles> then fuck wikipedia
Apr 18 15:51:41 <qwerty12> fuck it if you get banned, tell me what to write and I'll put it in
Apr 18 15:52:02 <qwerty12> I should be changing isp's soon sometime
Apr 18 15:52:19 <MangoFusion> i think if its just you against him, you'll inevitably make yourself out to be an even bigger ass than he is
Apr 18 15:52:52 <MangoFusion> since he must have been in the right the first time, right?
Apr 18 15:53:03 <MangoFusion> or maybe thats just what comes with being a moderator
Apr 18 15:54:04 <GeneralAntilles> Idiocy on the internet is threatening to drive me over the edge.
Apr 18 15:55:33 <||cw> arguing over the internet is like being in the special olympics.  even if you win, you are still retarded.
Apr 18 15:55:50 <qwerty12> Hehe that pic makes me laugh#
Apr 18 16:04:35 <Khertan_on_n810> ouch python-evolution documentation is difficult to found
Apr 18 16:05:00 <qwerty12> z00t,z00t, I got the pcmanfm file manager to run on Internet Tablet but anyone know what the gtk+ icon theme is for OS2008?
Apr 18 16:05:40 <lmoura> Khertan, do you want task support?
Apr 18 16:05:50 <lmoura> Khertan_on_n810, ^
Apr 18 16:06:11 <Khertan_on_n810> yes :)
Apr 18 16:06:20 <lmoura> AFAIR, the maemo package only ships ebook modules, not ecal
Apr 18 16:06:25 <lmoura> =\
Apr 18 16:06:41 <lmoura> does 'import evolution.ecal' work?
Apr 18 16:06:56 <Khertan_on_n810> ah i ven,t understood that it s why i have asked about __doc__ :)
Apr 18 16:07:25 <GeneralAntilles> There's the warning.
Apr 18 16:07:28 <GeneralAntilles> Screw wikipedia
Apr 18 16:07:57 <Khertan_on_n810> arg ... :( NoneType
Apr 18 16:08:28 <Khertan_on_n810> so i ll wait
Apr 18 16:08:29 <Khertan_on_n810> :)
Apr 18 16:08:35 <Khertan_on_n810> no home applets yet for pimlico projects
Apr 18 16:09:21 <Khertan_on_n810> lmoura > do u know about how to do prefs with hildondesktop binding for home applet ?
Apr 18 16:12:41 <lmoura> Khertan_on_n810, no
Apr 18 16:12:47 <Khertan_on_n810> ok :)
Apr 18 16:17:16 <Khertan_on_n810> ouch 60s freeze of all the system ... canola powa
Apr 18 16:18:19 * Cptnodegard wishes the n800 had an IR port
Apr 18 16:19:08 <GeneralAntilles> They do, Cptnodegard. :D
Apr 18 16:19:25 <qwerty12> hehe irtrans? :P
Apr 18 16:19:29 <Cptnodegard> ???
Apr 18 16:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> 3.5mm ;)
Apr 18 16:19:44 <Cptnodegard> audio jack?
Apr 18 16:19:49 <GeneralAntilles> Heck yeah
Apr 18 16:19:53 <qwerty12> nah i carry my 9mm and my 18in, better than 3.5 :p
Apr 18 16:20:40 <Cptnodegard> link? cant find anythin on google
Apr 18 16:20:54 <Cptnodegard> or do you HAVE to diy?
Apr 18 16:21:13 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/500839-REG/Avocent_IRB_100_IR_BLASTER_2_LED.html
Apr 18 16:21:17 <GeneralAntilles> Something like that
Apr 18 16:21:22 <GeneralAntilles> But without the wiring.
Apr 18 16:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Griffin used to make something
Apr 18 16:21:52 <Cptnodegard> does that work with that tv remote thingy?
Apr 18 16:22:31 <Cptnodegard> i want to control my robosapien with the n800 >:D
Apr 18 16:23:26 <Khertan_on_n810> cptnodegard > for u r robosapien u can do a simple bluetooth module too for it
Apr 18 16:23:43 <Cptnodegard> it has bt?
Apr 18 16:23:45 <Khertan_on_n810> it s easy to do, at least for v1
Apr 18 16:23:52 <Cptnodegard> i got a v2...i think
Apr 18 16:23:58 * Cptnodegard asks him
Apr 18 16:24:10 <Khertan_on_n810> no but bt chip is available at low cost now
Apr 18 16:24:49 <Khertan_on_n810> does it can talk > if it can it s a v2
Apr 18 16:24:58 <Cptnodegard> it talks
Apr 18 16:25:00 <Cptnodegard> and farts
Apr 18 16:25:02 <Cptnodegard> and burps
Apr 18 16:25:07 <Cptnodegard> and all kinds of rude gestures
Apr 18 16:25:26 <Cptnodegard> its a v2. googled a pic
Apr 18 16:25:32 <Khertan_on_n810> :)
Apr 18 16:25:47 <Cptnodegard> v1 looks gay
Apr 18 16:25:52 <Cptnodegard> like quasimodo
Apr 18 16:25:52 <Khertan_on_n810> lol
Apr 18 16:25:59 <Khertan_on_n810> v2 look gay !
Apr 18 16:26:17 <Cptnodegard> i saw a video on youtube of some people who made a robot dog with an n800
Apr 18 16:26:18 <Cptnodegard> pwned
Apr 18 16:26:28 <Khertan_on_n810> :) v1 is more easily customable
Apr 18 16:26:53 <Cptnodegard> sounds like you have one? ;)
Apr 18 16:27:15 <Khertan_on_n810> a friend have add a cam and a small 'ia'
Apr 18 16:27:33 <Khertan_on_n810> cptnodegard > yes i ve one
Apr 18 16:27:38 <GeneralAntilles> Cptnodegard is gonna take over the world.
Apr 18 16:27:41 * GeneralAntilles cowers.
Apr 18 16:27:55 <Cptnodegard> lol
Apr 18 16:28:05 <Cptnodegard> i got my v2 on a sale... down from 400 to 100 bucks
Apr 18 16:28:12 <Khertan_on_n810> a bit hacked
Apr 18 16:28:12 <Cptnodegard> dunno how much they ever cost in the us¨
Apr 18 16:28:37 <Cptnodegard> i used to use mine to hold my camera before i got a tripod
Apr 18 16:29:29 <Khertan_on_n810> mine have custom motors and a custom 'brain'
Apr 18 16:29:55 <Khertan_on_n810> an armel with a bt chip
Apr 18 16:30:01 <Cptnodegard> nice
Apr 18 16:30:55 <Khertan_on_n810> the purpose was to grip things on the floor to place them at their right place
Apr 18 16:31:17 <Khertan_on_n810> but i need to finish detection algo
Apr 18 16:32:00 <Khertan_on_n810> and make it localize it s place by itself
Apr 18 16:32:18 <Khertan_on_n810> but it s an hard thing to do
Apr 18 16:32:46 <Cptnodegard> have you ever controlled it with your 810?
Apr 18 16:33:29 <Khertan_on_n810> not yet
Apr 18 16:34:11 <Cptnodegard> lol, my mp3 sunglasses still have battery after being in the car for the entire winter
Apr 18 16:34:12 <Khertan_on_n810> i use my home computer to load new firmware on the armel chip by bt
Apr 18 16:34:43 <Cptnodegard> what does the new fw do?
Apr 18 16:34:46 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Apr 18 16:35:09 <Cptnodegard> whats funny? o.o
Apr 18 16:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> mp3 sunglasses. :P
Apr 18 16:35:23 <Cptnodegard> what about it? they work
Apr 18 16:35:25 <Cptnodegard> :D
Apr 18 16:35:29 <GeneralAntilles> They're ridiculous. :P
Apr 18 16:35:34 <lopz> hola
Apr 18 16:35:40 <Cptnodegard> no they pwn ^_^
Apr 18 16:36:13 <Cptnodegard> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2534
Apr 18 16:36:40 <GeneralAntilles> The sound quality must be terrible, though. :P
Apr 18 16:37:22 <Cptnodegard> yeah ill give you that... then again its not worse than that i can use them
Apr 18 16:37:25 <gribouille> hi
Apr 18 16:37:36 <Cptnodegard> though i prefer my d2
Apr 18 16:38:10 <gribouille> ks the screen of the N810 better than the one of the N800 ?
Apr 18 16:38:28 <gribouille> s/ks/Is
Apr 18 16:39:20 <GeneralAntilles> gribouille, only in that it's transflective
Apr 18 16:39:25 <GeneralAntilles> It is otherwise identical.
Apr 18 16:39:36 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, what does that mean ?
Apr 18 16:39:47 <GeneralAntilles> (well, the connector is different and the size is a little different, but there's no other performance differences)
Apr 18 16:39:48 <tbf> hmm... where do i find rx-34 kernel images for oprofile?
Apr 18 16:40:09 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transflective
Apr 18 16:40:12 <Cptnodegard> rtansflective? is that the same as those gay dell laptops use? :p
Apr 18 16:40:26 <GeneralAntilles> It uses ambient light to augment the backlight
Apr 18 16:40:31 <Cptnodegard> a friend of mine got the exact same laptop as me but with "TrueLife" screen, its freaking useless
Apr 18 16:40:38 <GeneralAntilles> Effectively resulting in at least a little sunlight readability.
Apr 18 16:40:45 <Cptnodegard> aha
Apr 18 16:40:47 <GeneralAntilles> Cptnodegard, you mean the glossy screen?
Apr 18 16:40:50 <Cptnodegard> not the same then
Apr 18 16:41:13 <Cptnodegard> GeneralAntilles, prob... they call it truelife. makes it work liek a mirror and impossible to read if its not 100% dark
Apr 18 16:41:45 <||cw> had to replace the lcd in my hp, got the glossy kind instead, love it
Apr 18 16:41:56 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, it's nowhere near that bad
Apr 18 16:42:03 <GeneralAntilles> It really depends on the environment you use it in.
Apr 18 16:42:06 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, when my N800 isn't oriented correctly, the screen is like a mirror, and I can't see anything. is it normal ?
Apr 18 16:42:07 <||cw> dark, light, whatever, just have to slightly angle the screen for reflections
Apr 18 16:42:09 <Khertan_on_n810> same thing on macbook glossy screen
Apr 18 16:42:13 <||cw> it's much brighter overall
Apr 18 16:42:13 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I find the colors on a glossy screen to be much better.
Apr 18 16:42:24 <GeneralAntilles> gribouille, yes
Apr 18 16:42:25 <||cw> gribouille: yes
Apr 18 16:42:32 <||cw> 770 does that too
Apr 18 16:42:38 <GeneralAntilles> I recommend buying yourself a Boxwave anti-glare screen protector
Apr 18 16:42:40 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, is it the same with the N810 ?
Apr 18 16:42:49 <GeneralAntilles> It'll really improve readability in a lot of lighting conditions.
Apr 18 16:42:52 <GeneralAntilles> Plus, it protects the screen.
Apr 18 16:42:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, gribouille.
Apr 18 16:43:03 <gribouille> ok, thanks
Apr 18 16:43:09 <GeneralAntilles> The touch layer is mildly glossy, so it tends to reflect light.
Apr 18 16:44:01 <Cptnodegard> GeneralAntilles, for use in a well lit classroom its useless unless you run the backlight at max
Apr 18 16:44:33 <GeneralAntilles> I have my N800 for that situation. :D
Apr 18 16:44:37 <GeneralAntilles> Besides, laptops suck anyway.
Apr 18 16:44:54 <Cptnodegard> same here, my friend with the glossy screen dont have one :p
Apr 18 16:45:04 <Cptnodegard> there really is only one thing i use that the n800 cant do - photoshop
Apr 18 16:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> Trackpads suck for photoshop anyway.
Apr 18 16:47:04 <Khertan_on_n810> so ... bye
Apr 18 16:47:16 <GeneralAntilles> Bye, Khertan! :)
Apr 18 16:49:07 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, are anti-glare screen protectors available in retail shops or do I have to buy it online ?
Apr 18 16:49:43 <GeneralAntilles> They may be, gribouille.
Apr 18 16:49:46 <GeneralAntilles> But I highly doubt it
Apr 18 16:49:48 <GeneralAntilles> Best to buy online.
Apr 18 16:49:54 <Cptnodegard> i use a mouse not a trackpad :p
Apr 18 16:49:55 <GeneralAntilles> Boxwave has them direct for $12
Apr 18 16:50:05 <GeneralAntilles> Shop around a bit, though, as I've seen them around for about $9
Apr 18 16:50:27 * GeneralAntilles recently went back to a trackball.
Apr 18 16:51:04 <Cptnodegard> got a mx518 for my desktop and a MS wireless mouse 3000 for my lappy <3
Apr 18 16:51:16 <GeneralAntilles> Used to play with an MX510
Apr 18 16:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> Nice mouse
Apr 18 16:51:22 <GeneralAntilles> Left-click gave out on me, though.
Apr 18 16:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> Refurbished it and it worked for about another month.
Apr 18 16:51:31 <GeneralAntilles> Now it's dead dead
Apr 18 16:51:36 <Cptnodegard> :/
Apr 18 16:51:36 <GeneralAntilles> Moved up to an MX Revolution.
Apr 18 16:51:40 <Cptnodegard> the mx518 pwns
Apr 18 16:51:48 <GeneralAntilles> Which is also now mostly dead.
Apr 18 16:51:57 <Cptnodegard> lol mouserape
Apr 18 16:52:06 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno
Apr 18 16:52:10 <GeneralAntilles> Mice don't like my company. :(
Apr 18 16:52:16 <GeneralAntilles> I like having lots of buttons.
Apr 18 16:52:29 <Cptnodegard> that sounded a bit perverted
Apr 18 16:52:30 <GeneralAntilles> I'm gonna replace the MX Revolution once I get some cash to throw around.
Apr 18 16:52:43 <GeneralAntilles> ~17 buttons with 1 shift key.
Apr 18 16:52:49 <GeneralAntilles> Control everything from the mouse. :D
Apr 18 16:52:53 <GeneralAntilles> Plus that awesome scroll wheel.
Apr 18 16:53:10 <Cptnodegard> lol
Apr 18 16:53:16 <Cptnodegard> it wil go evil and take over your house
Apr 18 16:53:20 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously
Apr 18 16:53:28 <GeneralAntilles> The Revolution's scroll wheel is something to behold
Apr 18 16:53:35 <Cptnodegard> oh?
Apr 18 16:53:36 <GeneralAntilles> It's like kinetic scrolling for your desktop.
Apr 18 16:53:45 <GeneralAntilles> You familiar with how it operates?
Apr 18 16:53:47 <Cptnodegard> nice
Apr 18 16:53:57 <Cptnodegard> kinetic scolling or the mouse?
Apr 18 16:54:02 <GeneralAntilles> The scroll wheel.
Apr 18 16:54:10 <Cptnodegard> nah havent tested one
Apr 18 16:54:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's got two modes, ratcheted (like every other mouse on the planet) and freespin.
Apr 18 16:54:46 <GeneralAntilles> You set it to disengage the clutch at a certain threshold
Apr 18 16:54:52 <gribouille> do you use a special case to protect you tablet or not ?
Apr 18 16:54:55 <GeneralAntilles> so when you want to scroll quickly, it switches to freespin.
Apr 18 16:55:04 <Cptnodegard> nice
Apr 18 16:55:13 <GeneralAntilles> and switches back when it stops moving
Apr 18 16:55:19 <Cptnodegard> gribouille: of course :D bought one on ebay
Apr 18 16:55:20 <GeneralAntilles> 100% intuitive and awesome. :D
Apr 18 16:55:28 <GeneralAntilles> gribouille, I just keep the bundled sleeve in my pocket and use it like a little sub-pocket.
Apr 18 16:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Have a case logic USB hard drive case for N800 + iGo when traveling.
Apr 18 16:55:50 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, is it good ?
Apr 18 16:56:35 <Cptnodegard> gribouille: very. fits perfectly
Apr 18 16:56:58 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, what is the name of the model ?
Apr 18 16:57:13 <Cptnodegard> model IT? n800
Apr 18 16:57:40 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, I mean, the model of the case
Apr 18 16:58:52 <Cptnodegard> gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/Leather-Case-for-Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-Book-Type_W0QQitemZ230244306772QQihZ013QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Apr 18 17:00:54 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, you can't use the tablet without opening the case, contrary to this one : http://europe.nokia.com/n800case
Apr 18 17:01:20 <Cptnodegard> define "use"
Apr 18 17:01:28 <Cptnodegard> the kicckstand, no
Apr 18 17:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Apr 18 17:01:40 <GeneralAntilles> That's where all the cases fall apart for me.
Apr 18 17:01:49 <GeneralAntilles> The kickstand is the most important feature. ;) :D
Apr 18 17:01:57 <Cptnodegard> whe at school i just take it out and put it on the igo stand
Apr 18 17:02:09 <Cptnodegard> i very seldom use the kickstand
Apr 18 17:02:24 * Mousey uses the kickstand an embarassing amount
Apr 18 17:02:29 <GeneralAntilles> I ALWAYS use the kickstand
Apr 18 17:02:47 <GeneralAntilles> Whether on not it's sitting on anything.
Apr 18 17:02:49 <Cptnodegard> if i have it out, the igo is out, so i use that stand
Apr 18 17:02:52 <GeneralAntilles> It's a great handle.
Apr 18 17:03:32 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, the case I need is to prevent damages to the tablet if it falls on the floor while I'm using it
Apr 18 17:04:18 <harryslamm> Am struggling to get exec privs enabled on /media/mmc1 or 2. Is it possible?
Apr 18 17:04:19 <Cptnodegard> get a silicon skin and cut hole for the kickstand
Apr 18 17:04:33 <GeneralAntilles> harryslamm, FAT doesn't support permissions.
Apr 18 17:04:42 <harryslamm> Ok
Apr 18 17:04:58 <harryslamm> Can i reformat to ext or something?
Apr 18 17:05:03 <GeneralAntilles> Sure
Apr 18 17:05:53 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, when your case is closed, you can't use the tablet, can you ?
Apr 18 17:07:34 <Cptnodegard> why not?
Apr 18 17:07:45 <Cptnodegard> when its closed, no, but when the lid is flipped open i can
Apr 18 17:07:53 <qwerty12> Bye, and GeneralAntilles, best of luck with the wiki stuff.
Apr 18 17:08:47 <Cptnodegard> gribouille: http://cgi.ebay.com/OZ-SELLER-Silicone-Silicon-Case-Cover-for-Nokia-N800_W0QQitemZ330227912217QQihZ014QQcategoryZ59913QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Apr 18 17:09:36 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, ok, thanks
Apr 18 17:10:45 <lcuk> its a condom for your nokia
Apr 18 17:11:16 <Cptnodegard> wearing it will make BT pairing less cheerful and sending files will fail :D
Apr 18 17:11:24 <GeneralAntilles> Hahaha
Apr 18 17:12:19 <lcuk> i gather it would stop sexually transimtted diseases, but airborne viruses will still get through
Apr 18 17:13:34 <Cptnodegard> you know youre a geek when you strap on a hardware firewall and have sex thinking she cant get pregnant
Apr 18 17:14:29 <lcuk> you know you're just crazy if you buy a phallic shaped hardware firewall.
Apr 18 17:15:43 <Cptnodegard> i want to mod something into those dealextreme stress relief boobs
Apr 18 17:16:11 <gribouille> do you use skype with your tablet ?
Apr 18 17:16:24 <Cptnodegard> gribouille: i dont
Apr 18 17:16:36 <gribouille> Cptnodegard, why not ?
Apr 18 17:16:37 <Cptnodegard> i normally call cell phones, and in that area skype isnt cheap
Apr 18 17:16:56 <Cptnodegard> 0,24 usd a minute is actually about the same as using my cell
Apr 18 17:17:13 <Cptnodegard> and i dont use it for normal chat
Apr 18 17:17:19 <Cptnodegard> use irc/gtalk/msn
Apr 18 17:17:20 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo > Skype
Apr 18 17:18:30 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, why ?
Apr 18 17:18:40 <GeneralAntilles> Open protocols
Apr 18 17:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> So you can use their service with just about any client
Apr 18 17:18:52 <GeneralAntilles> particularly the built-in sip client (rtcomm)
Apr 18 17:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> So you don't have to have a big, fugly 3rd party application open and hogging RAM all the time. ;)
Apr 18 17:22:33 <Cptnodegard> i find it peculiar that americans call it "fighting for freedom" when theyre actually the attacking nation
Apr 18 17:23:27 <Cptnodegard> [/random politics]
Apr 18 17:23:58 <gribouille> does wifi support handover ?
Apr 18 17:29:37 <mgedmin> Cptnodegard: they're fighting for their freedom to fight anyone they want to fight?
Apr 18 17:29:58 <Cptnodegard> lmao
Apr 18 17:30:03 <Cptnodegard> very well put
Apr 18 17:43:17 <lcuk> any idea how i find out my wep key?  ive got it locked in both places and am adding a new machine but forgot what it was
Apr 18 17:43:56 <GeneralAntilles> Crack it?
Apr 18 17:44:08 <lcuk> if its easily done, sure
Apr 18 17:44:15 <MangoFusion> remember it
Apr 18 17:44:16 <GeneralAntilles> You should be using WPA2, anyway.
Apr 18 17:44:23 <GeneralAntilles> An injector will crack it in under 2 minutes. :P
Apr 18 17:44:26 <GeneralAntilles> Kismet on your desktop
Apr 18 17:44:29 <lcuk> i tried i think but 810 wouldnt connect
Apr 18 17:44:59 <lcuk> ill just change all the keys and see what i can get working
Apr 18 17:45:06 * lcuk didnt wanna rock the boat
Apr 18 17:52:46 <flavioribeiro> hi all, im trying to use hildon.App() but the device tell me that doesnt exist.  somebody can help me?
Apr 18 17:53:20 <pupnik> hey qw
Apr 18 17:53:28 <gribouille> how can I access to my tablet from my linux box with usb ?
Apr 18 17:53:45 <pupnik> read learn
Apr 18 17:58:07 <Cptnodegard> lol the zoom extension for my canon a650is fits my old konica minolta cam
Apr 18 17:58:08 <Cptnodegard> http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/z10.jpg
Apr 18 17:58:24 <Cptnodegard> 870mm
Apr 18 18:25:02 <dougt> is sbox2 now the official supported maemo build env?
Apr 18 18:32:42 <mgedmin> dougt: no
Apr 18 18:32:49 <mgedmin> at least I haven't heard anything like that
Apr 18 18:33:09 * dougt points at the channel title.
Apr 18 18:33:56 <GeneralAntilles> That's not official.
Apr 18 18:34:08 <|Nazgul|> hello
Apr 18 18:46:57 <RST38h> AFAIK SB2 does not allow debugging a program remotely with GDB
Apr 18 18:54:28 <jga23> anybody know if there is a program to boost the sound past 100%?
Apr 18 18:54:53 <towo> Is it a known problem that the N810 just fails to connect to certain wireless networks, not being able to get an answer to a DHCP request? I checked on the routers, they sent out the reply, but it never arrived at the N810. Someone suggested that the kernel might drop dhcp packets not going to the global broadcast domain?
Apr 18 18:57:15 <liquid217_> jga23, if you are using mplayer, you can add an option to its config file to give it a little more gain.  softvol, and softvol-max i believe
Apr 18 18:57:44 <RST38h> software mixer gain != sound boot =(
Apr 18 18:58:24 <liquid217_> it can help if the video file isn't properly normalized
Apr 18 19:00:01 <RST38h> ...toothy carnivore that can reach seven feet in length and has found a happy home along the canals of Cape Coral...
Apr 18 19:00:04 <RST38h> lovely
Apr 18 19:00:29 <RST38h> I hope it has a taste for the long pig...
Apr 18 19:00:30 <GeneralAntilles> Alligator?
Apr 18 19:00:36 <GeneralAntilles> What about 'em?
Apr 18 19:00:40 <RST38h> No, "nile monitor lizard"
Apr 18 19:00:46 <jga23> liquid217_: is there any way to set it by default?
Apr 18 19:00:51 <jga23> I want to be able to boost canola
Apr 18 19:01:06 <RST38h> General: brought as pets to US, then left running wild as owners get tired of them
Apr 18 19:01:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Apr 18 19:01:18 <liquid217_> seems there was an ITT thread on it
Apr 18 19:01:27 <RST38h> first burmese pythons, now these
Apr 18 19:02:11 <RST38h> 'Of the pythons, he said: "To me, it's a wonderful introduction. I think it's the best thing to happen to the Everglades in the last 200 years."'  <--- fuck, yes!!!
Apr 18 19:02:33 <liquid217_> jga23: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=166215&postcount=18
Apr 18 19:02:42 * RST38h still can't forget that picture of a python bursting in half while trying to swallow an alligator
Apr 18 19:02:59 <jga23> liquid217_: perfect: thanks
Apr 18 19:07:00 <lcuk> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4313978.stm
Apr 18 19:07:04 <lcuk> snake alligator ^
Apr 18 19:07:19 <RST38h> yeah, that one
Apr 18 19:07:23 <|Nazgul|> sorry
Apr 18 19:07:32 <lcuk> result 1 for "snake alligator" ;)
Apr 18 19:08:09 <|Nazgul|> a good how-to about ipv6 on maemo????
Apr 18 19:08:16 <|Nazgul|> sorry I'm italian
Apr 18 19:09:34 <lcuk> there was a guy in the news today caught with a 6foot croc on the parcel shelf of his car (driving down the highway)
Apr 18 19:10:09 <lcuk> ^alligator
Apr 18 19:13:43 <rkeene> Does anyone know if the Nokia 770, N800, and N810 all share a common power connector and common power requirements ?
Apr 18 19:15:26 <||cw> rkeene: I think they do, same as the N-series phones
Apr 18 19:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all the same
Apr 18 19:15:53 <GeneralAntilles> 770 and N800 have the same battery.
Apr 18 19:17:57 <rkeene> GeneralAntilles, I'm not talking about the battery, talking about the DC connector to charge the battery.
Apr 18 19:18:20 <AStorm> btw, what's the max current required by N810?
Apr 18 19:18:20 <GeneralAntilles> [3:15pm] <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all the same
Apr 18 19:18:32 <AStorm> rkeene: yes, 5V
Apr 18 19:18:39 <AStorm> current might be diff
Apr 18 19:18:53 <AStorm> but they're all driven by AC-4e
Apr 18 19:18:56 <rkeene> GeneralAntilles, Right, but then you qualified it with information that led me to believe that you misunderstood the question (since the information was irrelevant)
Apr 18 19:19:05 <AStorm> which is rated at 890 mA
Apr 18 19:19:25 <rkeene> AStorm, So the physical connector is the same for all three ?  Excellent.
Apr 18 19:19:34 <AStorm> the q is: what's the true max current rating of the device?
Apr 18 19:19:40 <AStorm> rkeene: aure
Apr 18 19:19:55 <AStorm> but e.g. I have a charger rated at 650 mA
Apr 18 19:20:00 <AStorm> and it has problems
Apr 18 19:20:24 <GeneralAntilles> I have a charger rated at 380mA
Apr 18 19:20:26 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine.
Apr 18 19:21:35 <AStorm> when fully loading and charging battery?
Apr 18 19:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> I'm sure it doesn't charge when it's under load
Apr 18 19:22:10 <GeneralAntilles> but it doesn't have any "problems"
Apr 18 19:22:57 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 18 19:22:58 <||cw> what's USB power rated at?
Apr 18 19:23:49 <GeneralAntilles> 500mA
Apr 18 19:24:21 <||cw> 770's charger is rated at 890, but charges and runs fine off USB
Apr 18 19:24:40 <GeneralAntilles> They all use the same charger
Apr 18 19:24:53 <GeneralAntilles> The power usage on all three should be very similar.
Apr 18 19:24:56 <||cw> so just because the charger is rated at something high, doens't mean the device will ever draw that much
Apr 18 19:24:59 <AStorm> ok, so it's at most 300 mA
Apr 18 19:25:18 <GeneralAntilles> ||cw, I'll guarantee you it's not actually charging when it's under load at 500mA
Apr 18 19:25:41 <GeneralAntilles> It'll supplement the AC power with battery power when it's under load.
Apr 18 19:25:47 <AStorm> yup
Apr 18 19:25:58 <||cw> how often is it really under that much load
Apr 18 19:26:00 <AStorm> that's why I want the full rating
Apr 18 19:26:12 <GeneralAntilles> 890mA will definitely charge faster than 500mA, too.
Apr 18 19:26:20 <AStorm> ||cw: possibly as long as you want it too
Apr 18 19:26:27 <||cw> realistically
Apr 18 19:26:31 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: really?
Apr 18 19:26:33 <GeneralAntilles> When you load a website.
Apr 18 19:26:45 <||cw> for all of 30 seconds, then 5 minutes to read it?
Apr 18 19:26:52 <GeneralAntilles> Interestingly enough, yes, AStorm.
Apr 18 19:26:58 <AStorm> ||cw: or when compiling
Apr 18 19:27:07 <GeneralAntilles> Or playing Doom
Apr 18 19:27:18 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: so, 500 mA is not enough, it's throttling charging
Apr 18 19:27:25 * ||cw sighs
Apr 18 19:27:27 <GeneralAntilles> Meh
Apr 18 19:27:29 <||cw> right, forgot where I was...
Apr 18 19:27:30 <GeneralAntilles> It'll charge
Apr 18 19:27:40 <AStorm> 650 mA is apparently not enough too
Apr 18 19:27:51 <GeneralAntilles> I, too, would like some real power use figures, though, AStorm.
Apr 18 19:27:51 <AStorm> the device is overloading the charger :P
Apr 18 19:28:11 <AStorm> (the diode lights up more then, hehe)
Apr 18 19:28:26 <AStorm> visible (charging) impulses
Apr 18 19:28:32 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP at all cpu freq levels and max and minimum device levels.
Apr 18 19:28:54 <AStorm> ya
Apr 18 19:29:03 <AStorm> we could measure that though
Apr 18 19:29:15 <AStorm> need a miliamp meter though
Apr 18 19:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> In particular, I want some hard figures to shoot down those Atom nuts with. :D
Apr 18 19:29:35 <AStorm> guess I'll have to buy some cruddy one
Apr 18 19:31:00 <AStorm> alternatively, a sensitive energy counter
Apr 18 19:31:25 <GeneralAntilles> It'd be more fun to go bash heads at Nokia and make them give us some numbers.
Apr 18 19:31:43 <AStorm> yup
Apr 18 19:38:45 <dreamerns> Does anyone know a good dictionary for maemo?
Apr 18 19:39:00 <GeneralAntilles> sdict
Apr 18 19:39:04 <AStorm> yup
Apr 18 19:39:11 <dreamerns> With lots of words - 200000
Apr 18 19:39:21 <GeneralAntilles> or WhiteStork
Apr 18 19:40:00 <AStorm> dreamerns: then write your own dict file
Apr 18 19:40:55 <dreamerns> My friend needs something like miriam-webster for nokia n810
Apr 18 19:41:16 <dreamerns> It doesnt matter if its commercial
Apr 18 19:41:16 <GeneralAntilles> The 1918 edition is public domain.
Apr 18 19:41:29 <AStorm> the should use merriam-webster online dict :P
Apr 18 19:42:24 <dreamerns> Becouse of bad connections in serbia...he needs offline db
Apr 18 19:42:45 <AStorm> hm, then aspell or sdict
Apr 18 19:43:02 <lardman> about the power levels, it may be time consuming, but one could always fully charge then run until switch off and see how long it takes
Apr 18 19:43:08 <AStorm> (aspell isn't the kind of dict you want)
Apr 18 19:43:33 <AStorm> lardman: yeah, like with an energy counter
Apr 18 19:43:50 <AStorm> but that wouldn't count battery charging
Apr 18 19:43:55 <dreamerns> Ok...tnx i ll check it out
Apr 18 19:44:00 <AStorm> so useless
Apr 18 19:44:02 <RST38h> lardman: I think there is a conversion script from msdict into stardict format
Apr 18 19:44:19 <RST38h> lardman: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look
Apr 18 19:44:49 <lardman> AStorm: true, it would be problematic if you wanted to determine the energy useage while charging, but working it out while on battery alone would be useful
Apr 18 19:44:51 <AStorm> RST38h: missed :P
Apr 18 19:44:57 <RST38h> s/lardman/deamerns/
Apr 18 19:44:57 <infobot> RST38h meant: deamerns: and MSDict dictionaries can be found on the Net, if you know where to look
Apr 18 19:44:58 <RST38h> yep
Apr 18 19:45:31 <AStorm> lardman: battery is charging (with my shite charger) slower than discharging
Apr 18 19:45:48 <RST38h> AStorm: should not happen
Apr 18 19:45:51 <lardman> AStorm: you using a phone charger?
Apr 18 19:46:35 <lardman> AStorm: my Nokia phone charger produces far fewer mA than my IT one, according to the label
Apr 18 19:46:42 <AStorm> lardman: sure
Apr 18 19:46:57 <AStorm> IT charger is AC-4e
Apr 18 19:47:06 <AStorm> standard Nokia one
Apr 18 19:47:21 <AStorm> but better than my fake which is rated 650 mA
Apr 18 19:47:48 <flo_lap> re
Apr 18 19:48:24 <AStorm> fun part is that it drives that AC-4e to the max too
Apr 18 19:48:30 <AStorm> it gets hot
Apr 18 19:48:57 <AStorm> so, I think it might be even 1A peak or more
Apr 18 19:49:16 <lardman> dunno where my phone charger's gone, but it was certainly rated at less than the IT ones
Apr 18 19:50:28 <RST38h> Something is majorly wrong there
Apr 18 19:50:53 <RST38h> Nokia's charger barely gets hot after charging overnight here
Apr 18 19:51:16 <AStorm> RST38h: ... it's hot while charging
Apr 18 19:51:19 <AStorm> not after
Apr 18 19:52:13 <lardman> RST38h: mine are generally warm, but then I always ignore the message to unplug
Apr 18 19:52:39 <RST38h> It is charging now - it is a bit warm to the touch (just checked) but not hot
Apr 18 19:53:02 <RST38h> BTW, I have ACP-12e charging my phone close by, and they are about the same temperature
Apr 18 19:53:03 <GeneralAntilles> They switch off when not in use.
Apr 18 19:53:14 <RST38h> General: Actually, they do not =(
Apr 18 19:53:30 <RST38h> Not these, anyway
Apr 18 19:53:47 <GeneralAntilles> Mine do.
Apr 18 19:54:07 <RST38h> The device itself will shut battery off to prevent overcharging, but the power supply will continue draining current (less of it of course)
Apr 18 19:54:07 <AStorm> RST38h: exactly
Apr 18 19:54:18 <AStorm> it shouldn't get that warm
Apr 18 19:54:29 <GeneralAntilles> When not plugged into a device.
Apr 18 19:54:43 <RST38h> Yes, even when not plugged into a device
Apr 18 19:54:50 <KotCzarny> http://fun.noshit.pl/DIR-2008.04.18/fnp5.jpg
Apr 18 19:54:52 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 18 19:55:08 <KotCzarny> hi everyone
Apr 18 19:55:12 <AStorm> RST38h: AC-8 is supposedly very efficient in that case
Apr 18 19:55:13 <RST38h> heheh
Apr 18 19:55:18 <AStorm> but expensive
Apr 18 19:55:27 <lardman> bloody computer crashed
Apr 18 19:55:46 <KotCzarny> bloody? O.o
Apr 18 19:56:04 <lardman> you reckon the blood doesn't help?
Apr 18 19:56:22 <lardman> ;)
Apr 18 19:56:22 * KotCzarny imagined blood on lardman's comp
Apr 18 19:56:39 <AStorm> satan's machine!
Apr 18 19:56:47 <lardman> nah, desk is too wide so I can't hit my head on the monitor as I curse it
Apr 18 19:56:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 19:56:59 <RST38h> lardman: use tools
Apr 18 19:57:20 <RST38h> a set of decorative antlers may be of some use for example
Apr 18 19:57:27 <lardman> RST38h: I blame mixing nVidia graphics cards
Apr 18 19:57:36 <AStorm> heheh
Apr 18 19:57:44 * RST38h has never had an nVidia graphics card
Apr 18 19:58:09 * KotCzarny had gf2mx400 and gf3ti400
Apr 18 19:58:14 <KotCzarny> nice for nwn
Apr 18 19:58:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 19:58:21 <RST38h> Trident Video Accelerator Cyber-XP4 !
Apr 18 19:58:30 <lardman> 7300 and 7800 work fine on their own, just not together
Apr 18 19:58:36 <RST38h> I wonder why they did not put quotes around "accelerator"...
Apr 18 19:59:21 <lardman> Anyway, time for some TV, before back to the DSP
Apr 18 20:01:55 * lcuk yawns and stretches 
Apr 18 20:02:08 * Navi pats lcuk on the back
Apr 18 20:02:25 <lcuk> im just glad another week is over
Apr 18 20:02:32 <Navi> I'm not
Apr 18 20:02:48 <lcuk> no, cos now the real hard work starts
Apr 18 20:02:54 <Navi> Next week, I have an essay, C++ project, and two exams due
Apr 18 20:03:01 <lcuk> who can i post my laptop to to get it working
Apr 18 20:03:20 <KotCzarny> me
Apr 18 20:03:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:03:22 <lcuk> 4 or so weeks ill be stood up infront of (possibly) some of you lot talking about maemo
Apr 18 20:03:35 <Navi> Whatcha gunna talks aboot?
Apr 18 20:03:38 <lcuk> and i want my code to work before then
Apr 18 20:03:44 <rkeene> AStorm, GeneralAntilles: The power connector for the Nokia 770, and N800 are different - btw
Apr 18 20:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> No, they aren't.
Apr 18 20:03:53 * Navi would go if he lived on that continent
Apr 18 20:03:58 <lcuk> platform choice, what made me (as a none tableteer) jump on this bandwagon
Apr 18 20:04:09 <Navi> sexy
Apr 18 20:04:15 <lcuk> and the alternatives i looked at first
Apr 18 20:04:18 <Navi> I'll tell you what made me jump on it
Apr 18 20:04:27 <Navi> It's a cool story
Apr 18 20:04:44 <lcuk> go for it :) im also discussing you lot :P
Apr 18 20:04:47 <Navi> My mom was being laid off from a Nokia assembly plant in Texas
Apr 18 20:05:14 <Navi> they were selling phones for cheap, the newer ones like the N80 at the time for about fifty bucks
Apr 18 20:06:10 <Navi> They were selling the 770s for 20 bucks, but my mom accidentally got the 770's predecessor instead
Apr 18 20:06:16 <Navi> which sucked, btw.
Apr 18 20:06:22 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 18 20:06:27 <lcuk> there was something before the 770?
Apr 18 20:06:29 <lcuk> :( @ job loss. hope shes sorted now.   bonus at cheap tech :D
Apr 18 20:06:31 <KotCzarny> 770 for a 20$?
Apr 18 20:06:31 <Navi> Something like it
Apr 18 20:06:33 <KotCzarny> i would hit it
Apr 18 20:06:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:06:39 <KotCzarny> ~10 of them
Apr 18 20:06:42 <GeneralAntilles> 7710
Apr 18 20:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> S90
Apr 18 20:06:50 <Navi> It was a symbian phone
Apr 18 20:06:51 <KotCzarny> great for multiplayer
Apr 18 20:06:51 <Navi> yeah
Apr 18 20:06:53 <lcuk> i would have 1000 and rule the world
Apr 18 20:06:59 <lcuk> video wall :D
Apr 18 20:07:01 <Navi> Limit: One per person
Apr 18 20:07:08 <KotCzarny> one person or one family?
Apr 18 20:07:13 <lcuk> i am 10 men
Apr 18 20:07:23 <Navi> one per person working there
Apr 18 20:07:25 <lcuk> (im not really, im a 7 stone weekling :S)
Apr 18 20:07:29 <Navi> She was a key op
Apr 18 20:07:29 <KotCzarny> hum
Apr 18 20:07:36 <lcuk> with an a
Apr 18 20:07:38 <Navi> which was semi cool
Apr 18 20:07:42 <KotCzarny> still, nice deal
Apr 18 20:07:50 <Navi> This was a yearish ago
Apr 18 20:08:07 <Navi> so 20 for a 770 was a good deal
Apr 18 20:08:12 <Navi> I didn't get one though :P
Apr 18 20:08:43 <KotCzarny> you got 2? :P
Apr 18 20:08:52 <Navi> I did research, found out it was teh Linux (being the advocate I am, had to have one).
Apr 18 20:09:00 <Navi> Fast forward a year, and I bought an N800
Apr 18 20:09:16 <Navi> and threw bricks at KotCzarny because he doesn't follow very well.
Apr 18 20:09:23 <KotCzarny> i do
Apr 18 20:09:33 <KotCzarny> i was just tricking you to sidestep from a story
Apr 18 20:09:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:10:09 <lcuk> cool navi :)
Apr 18 20:10:28 <Navi> She still doesn't have a job :(
Apr 18 20:10:29 <lcuk> i have been tryign to kickstart my touch habit for years
Apr 18 20:10:34 <lcuk> :( @ mum
Apr 18 20:10:48 <KotCzarny> 'touch habit' o.O
Apr 18 20:11:06 <KotCzarny> this channel is full of pervs
Apr 18 20:11:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:11:26 <lcuk> yes :)
Apr 18 20:11:47 <KotCzarny> nokia should put a 'touch me' sticker on the screen
Apr 18 20:11:49 <KotCzarny> or box
Apr 18 20:11:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:12:01 <lcuk> ive been trying for years to get something nice and touchable, it essentially started iwth the SPECTRUM - it had a lightpen interface which i fell in love with
Apr 18 20:12:13 <lcuk> but my friend needed it back and that was that :(
Apr 18 20:12:22 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 20:12:44 <KotCzarny> lightpen, is it similiar to 8bit atari lightgun ?
Apr 18 20:12:47 <lcuk> anyway, fast foreward a number of years - light pens went away and tablets became horrendously expensive
Apr 18 20:13:12 <lcuk> same idea, its got an ldr in the tip and it watched for the scanbeam
Apr 18 20:13:19 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 20:13:38 <KotCzarny> there was a trick to just point the gun at a lamp an you would have 100% accuracy
Apr 18 20:13:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:14:10 <lcuk> anyway, picked up a number of drawing tablet things and played with those starting to get some ideas
Apr 18 20:14:42 <lcuk> got a pda which was cack and low resolution but did enough for me to use it (plus it was slow and only really ran MS .shit compact thingy)
Apr 18 20:15:24 <lcuk> then all of a sudden last year, all these cheap speedy hand held devices came out - there are a few archos devices, the iphone/ipod etc
Apr 18 20:15:37 <AStorm> and IT :P
Apr 18 20:15:39 <lcuk> i'd seen the 800 but it didnt appeal
Apr 18 20:16:18 <lcuk> form factor looked off - the 770 was nicer but at the time mony was tighter so it wasnt investigated quite as fully
Apr 18 20:16:49 <lcuk> anyway, engadget had an article announcing the 810.  i think i almost wet myself
Apr 18 20:16:55 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 20:16:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:17:04 <lcuk> it looked perfect :)
Apr 18 20:17:07 <lcuk> it looked fast :)
Apr 18 20:17:12 <lcuk> it ran linux :)
Apr 18 20:17:41 <KotCzarny> i got it because it ran linux and was cheap enough to try
Apr 18 20:17:44 <lcuk> i had to have it. no matter what.  it was more expensive than the archos, but it was open.  it also had buttons on the facia to do stuff
Apr 18 20:17:47 <KotCzarny> (150$ secondhand)
Apr 18 20:17:52 <KotCzarny> (n800)
Apr 18 20:18:21 <lcuk> i was coming down on the ipod before i had seen it, but the resolution of 810 blew me away
Apr 18 20:18:44 <lcuk> so, ive got my 810
Apr 18 20:18:57 <lcuk> and it will do exactly what i want it to do :)
Apr 18 20:19:09 <lcuk> no other device could give me that
Apr 18 20:19:24 <KotCzarny> yet
Apr 18 20:19:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:20:09 <voodoo_laptop> anyone here uk based and knows where i can get an 8gb card?
Apr 18 20:20:33 <lcuk> linux & development has been tough though.  the learning curve has been immense, but that comes from being shielded inside vb for so long
Apr 18 20:20:42 <KotCzarny> voodoo: online shop
Apr 18 20:21:20 <KotCzarny> lcuk: but once you're there, you love it :)
Apr 18 20:22:00 <lcuk> voodoo scan in bolton: http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=743956
Apr 18 20:22:20 <lcuk> its the most intense game i have ever played.  i'm playing for my future
Apr 18 20:22:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:22:55 <voodoo_laptop> the end game boss for that game is impossible
Apr 18 20:23:16 <lcuk> voodoo_laptop, that 8gb card is microsd, check if the adapter it comes with is mini
Apr 18 20:23:42 <lcuk> and the game is worth playing, im leveling up nicely
Apr 18 20:23:44 <voodoo_laptop> i have a mini/micro adapter somewhere
Apr 18 20:24:02 <lcuk> might be worth taking 810 with you and testing in store first
Apr 18 20:24:08 <lcuk> or are you miles away
Apr 18 20:25:12 <KotCzarny> he didn't say he has 810.. i think
Apr 18 20:25:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:25:23 <voodoo_laptop> well i havnt got my 810 yet cause play.com have messed me about
Apr 18 20:25:28 <lcuk> KotCzarny, i think i play the game a little differently to other people. but as long as it gets intended results i dont mind
Apr 18 20:25:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:25:43 <lcuk> i got mine direct from nokia - i HAD to have it before xmas
Apr 18 20:37:43 <RST38h> Going to reboot into Linux and upload some packages into extras...
Apr 18 20:40:34 <flyguy> I am using Chinook 4.0.1, everytime I quit my program it gives a memory map and then says core dumped. Is this anything to worry about?
Apr 18 20:40:46 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 18 20:40:50 <KotCzarny> notify the author
Apr 18 20:41:03 <RST38h> He said *my* program =)
Apr 18 20:41:10 <KotCzarny> ah, morning reading
Apr 18 20:41:11 <KotCzarny> sorry
Apr 18 20:41:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 20:42:16 <flyguy> here is *my* program http://rafb.net/p/L8sMOo63.html
Apr 18 20:42:40 <Cptnodegard> http://thepiratebay.org/   LMAO @ logo
Apr 18 20:43:30 <flyguy> is there anything glaringly wrong, it will eventually be a flash card program for my kids to learn their vocab words
Apr 18 20:44:31 <KotCzarny> flyguy: have you considered pygtk ?
Apr 18 20:45:05 <flyguy> never programmed in python, but yes, though of giving it a go
Apr 18 20:45:26 <flyguy> thought
Apr 18 20:46:31 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 18 20:48:34 <KotCzarny> nothing glaringly suspicious
Apr 18 20:49:10 <RST38h> flyguy: you are probably not shutting down gtk correctly
Apr 18 20:50:11 <flyguy> sorry, have to pick up my kid from school be back in 10
Apr 18 20:52:25 <RST38h> f;lyguyL you are not doing gtk_init
Apr 18 20:52:45 <RST38h> that may be the reason why it is getting problems later
Apr 18 21:08:33 <flyguy> RST38h: I do my gtk_init on line 52
Apr 18 21:08:41 <RST38h> ok, see it
Apr 18 21:09:25 <KotCzarny> flyguy, try this program on pc?
Apr 18 21:09:34 <KotCzarny> (without hildon stuff of course)
Apr 18 21:11:58 <lardman|tv> night all
Apr 18 21:14:11 <flyguy> KotCzarny: Everything terminated as expected, nothing out of the ordinary
Apr 18 21:14:35 <flyguy> seems like it must be a Chinook thing
Apr 18 21:14:55 <KotCzarny> try commenting out hildon stuff then?
Apr 18 21:15:17 <KotCzarny> program will work and you will investigate it sometime later
Apr 18 21:15:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:15:20 <flyguy> sorry, my post was clear as mud, everything worked as expected
Apr 18 21:15:43 <KotCzarny> nvm
Apr 18 21:15:50 <flyguy> termination happened as expected, no memeory dump or anything
Apr 18 21:15:53 <flyguy> nvm??
Apr 18 21:16:17 <lcuk> nevermind - i think you 2 are getting a bit confused.
Apr 18 21:16:27 <RST38h> flyguy: so, what was it?
Apr 18 21:16:28 <lcuk> on the big pc, you already just took out the hildon stuff to test didnt you
Apr 18 21:16:54 <flyguy> yes, on my desktop no errors or crazy memory dumps
Apr 18 21:17:05 <flyguy> everything works as expected
Apr 18 21:17:09 <lcuk> so, now take that same source and compile for armel as kot suggested
Apr 18 21:17:21 <RST38h> aha
Apr 18 21:17:22 <lcuk> this should still work, except it wont have hildon specific bits
Apr 18 21:17:38 <lcuk> test if it crashes that way..
Apr 18 21:18:00 <RST38h> if it still fails on the device, try commenting out some of the widgets and see which one causes the problem
Apr 18 21:18:33 <lcuk> this is like "if the computer is still failing, take out each peripheral until you find the one that is borkening it"
Apr 18 21:18:59 * lcuk once went all the way to the cpu before giving up
Apr 18 21:19:05 <flyguy> I will definently do that, I will have to learn how to compile with armel, this is my first attempt at programming for my nokia
Apr 18 21:19:27 <KotCzarny> flyguy: the same way you do on linux pc
Apr 18 21:19:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:20:02 <flyguy> I still don't fully understand the target construct, need to do some more reading
Apr 18 21:20:13 * lcuk is still reading
Apr 18 21:20:19 * KotCzarny is still playing
Apr 18 21:20:24 <RST38h> flyguy: you may want to use maemosdk instead of the original sdk
Apr 18 21:20:26 <KotCzarny> i'm on disc3 though
Apr 18 21:20:34 <KotCzarny> so it shouldn't be long
Apr 18 21:20:34 <RST38h> It is way more straightforward
Apr 18 21:20:50 <RST38h> maemosdk+, I wanted to say
Apr 18 21:20:50 <lcuk> floppy disk kot?
Apr 18 21:20:58 <KotCzarny> iso image
Apr 18 21:20:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:21:16 * KotCzarny imagines psx games on a floppy games
Apr 18 21:21:19 <flyguy> No I am confused, I downloaded Chinook from the maemo web site, thought that was the sdk
Apr 18 21:21:42 <KotCzarny> 'new! multifloppy reader!'
Apr 18 21:21:47 <RST38h> Ok, there are two SDKs
Apr 18 21:21:53 <KotCzarny> 'now insert floppies 16-24 and 32-40
Apr 18 21:22:15 <RST38h> One is the MaemoSDK (Chinook aka 4.0) that you can download off Maemo site
Apr 18 21:22:44 <RST38h> It is based on ScratchBox1 (SB1) and that is basically a quasi-virtual Linux inside your Linux
Apr 18 21:22:52 <RST38h> Very cumbersome and quirky
Apr 18 21:22:56 <KotCzarny> but works
Apr 18 21:23:00 <KotCzarny> for me at least
Apr 18 21:23:09 <RST38h> But there is also MaemoSDK+ based on ScratchBox2 (SB2)
Apr 18 21:23:11 <lcuk> if you are unsure, the simplest method to get started is to see the SDK in place in a live linux system. there is a maemovmware image around which has everything preconfigured and runnable
Apr 18 21:23:17 <RST38h> This one works a bit differently
Apr 18 21:23:22 <KotCzarny> and i like scratchbox's ability to have multiple targets
Apr 18 21:23:36 <KotCzarny> so i can play with misc libs/gccs without breaking everything
Apr 18 21:23:42 <RST38h> Instead of logging into a virtual Linux, you prepend all your commands with sb2 and they compile for your target machine
Apr 18 21:24:27 <RST38h> SB1 worked for me as well, but it was clunky and ate almost all of the Linux partition
Apr 18 21:24:41 <flyguy> RST38h: so gcc would be something like sb2-gcc
Apr 18 21:24:49 <KotCzarny> i had a spare 40gb disk with badblocks
Apr 18 21:24:51 <RST38h> It will be sb2 gcc *.c
Apr 18 21:24:59 <flyguy> and I can do everything from normal command line
Apr 18 21:24:59 <KotCzarny> so space isn't a concern for me
Apr 18 21:25:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:25:08 <RST38h> My whole disk drive is 30GB
Apr 18 21:25:16 <RST38h> And most of it is taken by XP
Apr 18 21:25:20 <KotCzarny> heheheh
Apr 18 21:25:27 <RST38h> flyguy: yep
Apr 18 21:25:55 <RST38h> flyguy: The drawback is that you can't debug on your PC, you have to transfer stuff to the tablet
Apr 18 21:26:10 <RST38h> But I am doing it anyway, so it does not matter for me
Apr 18 21:26:11 <flyguy> As a side I truly hate XP and Vista is just a lazy out of work version of XP, just sits on its ass all day doing nothing of any use
Apr 18 21:27:07 <flyguy> RST38h: I am still very new to programming so I will probably have to stick with chinook
Apr 18 21:27:13 <lcuk> you are right, if you have got a computer sitting around trying to look pretty with nothing running then you would be better saving the environment and turning it off
Apr 18 21:27:24 <RST38h> flyguy: Both of the SDKs are for chinook
Apr 18 21:27:25 <lcuk> as for myself i keep whichever OS i am running in busy :)
Apr 18 21:27:51 <RST38h> Chinook (or OS2008) is basically the current version of Linux-based OS running inside your tablet
Apr 18 21:28:05 <flyguy> I have a buddy at work how is well versed in Windows and networking but still can't get his xp and vista machine talking
Apr 18 21:28:37 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 21:28:39 <flyguy> who not how, great typing
Apr 18 21:28:40 <lcuk> flyguy, the scratchbox (original) toolchain, and the newer sb2 toolchain both end up with the same executable built for nokia os2008(chinook)..
Apr 18 21:28:43 <KotCzarny> i'm well versed with linux
Apr 18 21:29:02 <KotCzarny> and made vis/xp/lin talking to each over easily
Apr 18 21:29:09 <KotCzarny> just turn of firewalls in windows
Apr 18 21:29:10 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 21:29:15 <KotCzarny> *off
Apr 18 21:29:21 <RST38h> Linux isn't exactly a brilliant either...
Apr 18 21:29:26 <flyguy> I might try the sb2 toolchain
Apr 18 21:29:53 <KotCzarny> rst38h: i would prefer linux everyday over windows
Apr 18 21:29:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:29:56 <flyguy> at least linux is free, how much do you have to pay for that sad execuse of an operating system now?? 200
Apr 18 21:30:04 <Veggen> RST38h: all oSes suck, but some more than others :)
Apr 18 21:30:15 <RST38h> Compared to BSDs, it feels like a toy, although I have to admit that the latest Ubuntu versions are pretty decent toys
Apr 18 21:30:25 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 21:30:26 <lcuk> flyguy, most people do not directly pay for their OS.
Apr 18 21:30:36 <KotCzarny> rst, bsds have their own quirks
Apr 18 21:30:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:30:50 <Cptnodegard> most people dont even indirectly pay for their OSes :p
Apr 18 21:30:52 <lcuk> the cost of linux is irrelivent because the only way its going to take off is if its on the machine (ala 8x0 and eee)
Apr 18 21:30:58 <RST38h> Kot: Aside from being dumb, no quirks
Apr 18 21:31:00 <flyguy> You may not pay for the actual OS but how much do you pay for userland apps
Apr 18 21:31:14 <lcuk> whats wrong with buying a linux product?
Apr 18 21:31:31 <KotCzarny> nothing
Apr 18 21:31:38 <KotCzarny> assuming it does what it has to do
Apr 18 21:31:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:31:41 <lcuk> if i want to play doom 2009 super dark edition on linux i do not expect to get it for free
Apr 18 21:32:17 <flyguy> True but how much should you pay to keep track of your finances or write a term paper
Apr 18 21:32:31 <lcuk> i pay what i feel it is worth and available for
Apr 18 21:32:39 <KotCzarny> free market
Apr 18 21:32:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:32:51 <lcuk> open office works because its a community effort
Apr 18 21:33:09 <KotCzarny> lcuk, OOo was a closed product at first, i think
Apr 18 21:33:11 <lcuk> i dont expect people to help me write doom (though some game makers do)
Apr 18 21:33:21 <Proteous_> gnucash ftw
Apr 18 21:33:38 <RST38h> free/non-free makes no difference in the real world
Apr 18 21:33:39 <lcuk> also, with open office, if i find a problem i can try and fix it
Apr 18 21:33:57 <KotCzarny> or at least find a person who can
Apr 18 21:33:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:33:59 <RST38h> only open source fanatics are interested in this distinction
Apr 18 21:34:04 <lcuk> or pay someone to fix it
Apr 18 21:34:05 <lcuk> :)
Apr 18 21:34:06 <flyguy> I don't care how open it is, my concern is price
Apr 18 21:34:08 <Veggen> price has nothing to do with it. really.
Apr 18 21:34:10 <lcuk> bounties are great
Apr 18 21:34:17 <KotCzarny> flyguy: not true
Apr 18 21:34:21 <RST38h> For an average person, the only thing that matters is value vs price
Apr 18 21:34:26 <KotCzarny> if it's 'free' but snoops your data
Apr 18 21:34:26 <lcuk> flyguy, now, its not just price surely
Apr 18 21:34:30 <KotCzarny> or displays ads..
Apr 18 21:34:30 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 21:34:43 <KotCzarny> i would hate such app
Apr 18 21:34:48 <RST38h> Kot: The funny thing is, a lot of non-free apps snoop and display ads now
Apr 18 21:34:55 <flyguy> ads don't bother me but I would agree with the snoops
Apr 18 21:35:00 <KotCzarny> rst: none that i use :)
Apr 18 21:35:03 <lcuk> then you are free to go elsewhere
Apr 18 21:35:03 <KotCzarny> (i believe)
Apr 18 21:35:14 <RST38h> Kot: Same here (everything sanitized) but still
Apr 18 21:35:47 <KotCzarny> and i hate marketing scams
Apr 18 21:36:05 <flyguy> aren't all you windows users sick of there new crapy interface, i hate eye candy for the sake of eye candy
Apr 18 21:36:10 <KotCzarny> with apps doing less or worse showing higher in search engines than free or better equivalents
Apr 18 21:36:11 <lcuk> how do you find time to sanitize and scrutinize everything?
Apr 18 21:36:13 <flyguy> I feel the same about compiz
Apr 18 21:36:22 <KotCzarny> i like eye candies
Apr 18 21:36:27 <lcuk> flyguy, some are, but some don't know any different
Apr 18 21:36:32 <KotCzarny> but after a few days i turn them off
Apr 18 21:36:40 <KotCzarny> though it's nice to show off sometimes
Apr 18 21:36:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:36:48 <RST38h> lcuk: Does not take much time, there are programs for that
Apr 18 21:37:16 <lcuk> ? like what, may be useful
Apr 18 21:37:22 <KotCzarny> iptables
Apr 18 21:37:23 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 18 21:37:25 * lcuk gives out info in source code
Apr 18 21:37:55 <RST38h> lcuk: on Windows, start with HijackThis
Apr 18 21:38:03 <flyguy> Kot: you watch the logs??
Apr 18 21:38:07 <lcuk> but that doesnt sanitize the data?
Apr 18 21:38:12 <KotCzarny> sometimes
Apr 18 21:38:28 <RST38h> data does not get executed
Apr 18 21:38:39 <KotCzarny> rst38h: not true ;)
Apr 18 21:38:44 <lcuk> that just allows me as an admin to confirm i still have a clean ship, what happens if microsoft updates a legit program and wants to send data, or any one of the 400 or so programs installed?
Apr 18 21:39:09 <RST38h> lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap
Apr 18 21:39:23 <RST38h> lcuk: And it does send data.
Apr 18 21:39:31 <flyguy> how do you all feel about activating products you paid for
Apr 18 21:39:42 <RST38h> lcuk: Second, you are unlikely to have 400 programs installed. You probably have at most 20-30
Apr 18 21:39:43 <lcuk> yes, do you know what data?  do you check everytime?
Apr 18 21:39:54 <RST38h> I do not
Apr 18 21:39:56 <LinuxCode> [22:39] RST38h lcuk: First of all, Microsoft only updates its own crap
Apr 18 21:40:06 <LinuxCode> it also used to break other peoples crap...on purpose
Apr 18 21:40:07 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 18 21:40:14 <RST38h> Yea, but not directly
Apr 18 21:40:22 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 18 21:40:29 <RST38h> lcuk: With Microsoft there is not much I can do
Apr 18 21:40:38 <lcuk> program files contains 134 folders
Apr 18 21:40:39 <LinuxCode> I would beg to differ.... IBM Vs Microsoft
Apr 18 21:40:50 <RST38h> lcuk: With the normal apps though, if an app sends ANYTHING outside, I delete it
Apr 18 21:41:08 <RST38h> lcuk: Are you using all 134 aps?
Apr 18 21:41:09 <LinuxCode> ohh Im in maemo...thought this was fedora lol
Apr 18 21:41:14 <LinuxCode> btw hi lcuk ;-D
Apr 18 21:41:20 <lcuk> i doubt thats everything, but yer at different times
Apr 18 21:41:27 <lcuk> hi there LinuxCode not spoke in a whil;e
Apr 18 21:41:40 <flyguy> why does every hate on fedora
Apr 18 21:41:40 <LinuxCode> yes I had my final year project to get rid of
Apr 18 21:41:47 <LinuxCode> still got work to do mind
Apr 18 21:41:52 <flyguy> everyone
Apr 18 21:41:52 <LinuxCode> ;-|
Apr 18 21:42:03 <LinuxCode> flyguy, Im using it
Apr 18 21:42:05 <KotCzarny> because fedora behaves like a mad experimentator
Apr 18 21:42:11 <LinuxCode> so again..I beg to differ
Apr 18 21:42:16 <RST38h> Fedora is a pile of steaming shit
Apr 18 21:42:17 <KotCzarny> and breakes sometimes stuff in the process
Apr 18 21:42:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:42:32 <LinuxCode> RST38h, so are most irc users
Apr 18 21:42:34 <RST38h> Same goes for RedHat proper, only that one also costs money
Apr 18 21:42:39 <LinuxCode> yet we all spend time on it
Apr 18 21:42:47 <flyguy> I have ran Fedora for about 6 years still no major problems
Apr 18 21:42:51 <lcuk> RST38h, there are a lot more things installed both within the folder and outside it - i cull pretty often, but it is a bit of a monster
Apr 18 21:42:53 <LinuxCode> flyguy, same
Apr 18 21:43:09 <flyguy> LinuxCode: first version??
Apr 18 21:43:09 <LinuxCode> even longer
Apr 18 21:43:13 <LinuxCode> yes
Apr 18 21:43:19 <LinuxCode> redhat 9 before that
Apr 18 21:43:19 <RST38h> lcuk: You probably aren't using all 136 apps
Apr 18 21:43:21 <flyguy> nice, for me FC3
Apr 18 21:43:36 <RST38h> Our CS department had RedHat, with a corporte support contract
Apr 18 21:43:36 <flyguy> really excited for 9
Apr 18 21:43:45 <LinuxCode> flyguy, ou should be
Apr 18 21:43:47 <LinuxCode> you
Apr 18 21:43:56 <LinuxCode> as long as all features make it in
Apr 18 21:44:11 <lcuk> RST38h, im probably not, but my missus might be using some of them and my sons
Apr 18 21:44:20 <RST38h> One of the "nice" things RedHat did was random NFS hangups, where it managed to corrupt open files on the server
Apr 18 21:44:33 <LinuxCode> *did*
Apr 18 21:44:34 <flyguy> bluetooth support looks to be greatly improved looking forward to screwing around with my phone through fedora
Apr 18 21:44:39 <LinuxCode> that makes it past tense
Apr 18 21:44:40 <lcuk> but i do clean it out - this system has only been installed since 2005
Apr 18 21:44:52 <LinuxCode> nfs bugs are not specific to a distro
Apr 18 21:44:52 <RST38h> lcuk: Delete everything, take installation rights from them, then install what they ask you to
Apr 18 21:44:54 <RST38h> =)
Apr 18 21:45:07 <lcuk> they never install anything - i do it all
Apr 18 21:45:12 <RST38h> Linux: maybe it still does, who knows?
Apr 18 21:45:14 <LinuxCode> flyguy, its alreayd good in f8
Apr 18 21:45:18 <lcuk> but they ask for things and i oblige, whats the big deal?>
Apr 18 21:45:22 <RST38h> Linux: I ended up on a Solaris machine
Apr 18 21:45:29 <LinuxCode> well good for you
Apr 18 21:45:30 <flyguy> have problems with my LG az8600
Apr 18 21:45:34 <flyguy> ax6800 even
Apr 18 21:45:41 <flyguy> ax8600 even
Apr 18 21:45:52 <LinuxCode> sun just bought mysql and promptly will make stuff closed source
Apr 18 21:45:54 <RST38h> Linux: Told them that they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands
Apr 18 21:46:00 <KotCzarny> huh
Apr 18 21:46:03 <LinuxCode> just shows how much I dont like them ...
Apr 18 21:46:04 <KotCzarny> let's hope for a fork
Apr 18 21:46:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:46:29 <lcuk> LinuxCode, no they wont.  they have a couple of closed source apps which utilise the open source mysql core functions
Apr 18 21:46:33 <LinuxCode> KotCzarny, theres always postrgesql , if nothing else goes..
Apr 18 21:46:46 * KotCzarny shrugs
Apr 18 21:46:50 <LinuxCode> lcuk, k
Apr 18 21:47:09 * lcuk thinks that is a viable model
Apr 18 21:47:13 <flyguy> mysql, not that impressed. postgres or sqlite
Apr 18 21:47:14 <LinuxCode> i knew the enterprise version always was kinda closed/support only or whatever
Apr 18 21:47:42 <lcuk> yes exactly, you may get other things if you go down that route, but the database as it stands now is OSS and proud
Apr 18 21:47:52 <LinuxCode> hehe
Apr 18 21:48:12 <LinuxCode> yeh if they did the community version in....they would kill off 90% of their custom
Apr 18 21:48:17 <LinuxCode> people would get soo angry
Apr 18 21:48:24 <LinuxCode> never buy/use sun products again
Apr 18 21:48:29 <lcuk> word of mouth is the biggest benefit
Apr 18 21:48:40 <flyguy> sun = little microsoft
Apr 18 21:48:49 <lcuk> people don't buy/use sun products normally anyway ;) (apart from the coffee thing)
Apr 18 21:48:53 <LinuxCode> flyguy, i dont agree with that
Apr 18 21:49:13 <LinuxCode> they have and support many OSS projects
Apr 18 21:49:33 <flyguy> sun is doing what microsoft did, buy out competition but they went to the one place microsoft didn't OSS
Apr 18 21:49:36 <LinuxCode> its a hybrid business model...just like Nokia with the Nxxx
Apr 18 21:50:06 <KotCzarny> flyguy: either that or leaving those buyoutcompetition to others
Apr 18 21:50:07 <LinuxCode> anyway
Apr 18 21:50:17 <LinuxCode> im not here to discuss or argue or whatever
Apr 18 21:50:23 <LinuxCode> lcuk, whats new mate ?
Apr 18 21:50:30 <KotCzarny> lc: you already did ;)
Apr 18 21:50:37 <LinuxCode> KotCzarny,  I know....
Apr 18 21:50:39 <LinuxCode> ;-[
Apr 18 21:50:40 <lcuk> well.. ive been invited to linuxtag to speak :)
Apr 18 21:50:43 <LinuxCode> got drawn in
Apr 18 21:50:48 <KotCzarny> yeah.. internet
Apr 18 21:50:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 21:50:51 <LinuxCode> cool
Apr 18 21:51:02 <lcuk> and ive finally got over my code phobia.  ive started coding properly now
Apr 18 21:51:07 <LinuxCode> lcuk, anything new n810 wise.. ? appz and stuff ?
Apr 18 21:51:12 <LinuxCode> I havent checked lately
Apr 18 21:51:18 <LinuxCode> hahaha
Apr 18 21:51:23 <lcuk> go find numptyphysics
Apr 18 21:51:25 <LinuxCode> lcuk, glad to hear that
Apr 18 21:51:31 <LinuxCode> whats that ?
Apr 18 21:51:52 <KotCzarny> fun
Apr 18 21:51:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:52:08 <KotCzarny> candy for a brain
Apr 18 21:52:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:53:08 <LinuxCode> have to write a report until monday ..meh
Apr 18 21:53:41 <KotCzarny> 3 days
Apr 18 21:53:44 <KotCzarny> lots of time
Apr 18 21:53:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 21:53:45 <LinuxCode> I cant wait until Uni is over...
Apr 18 21:53:54 <LinuxCode> I want to rejoin the real world
Apr 18 21:54:05 <LinuxCode> some of the stuff I handed in for Uni....
Apr 18 21:54:10 <LinuxCode> would have gotten me the sack
Apr 18 21:54:13 <LinuxCode> in real life
Apr 18 21:54:15 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 18 21:54:24 <LinuxCode> its so ridiculous haha
Apr 18 21:54:42 <||cw> yeah, tell me about it
Apr 18 21:54:43 <LinuxCode> or worse.... servers would have gotten sploited
Apr 18 21:54:51 <KotCzarny> heh..
Apr 18 21:54:59 <KotCzarny> deadlines
Apr 18 21:55:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:55:08 <LinuxCode> but all that counts....is citations...
Apr 18 21:55:13 <flyguy> is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a strut to a function
Apr 18 21:55:15 <lcuk> uni is for learning :) enjoy it while you can and take the lessons with you
Apr 18 21:55:15 * LinuxCode shakes head 
Apr 18 21:55:28 <LinuxCode> lcuk, hehe
Apr 18 21:55:35 <LinuxCode> lcuk, im quite happy to learn...
Apr 18 21:55:39 <flyguy> is there now way to pass an array of char arrays as part of a struct to a function?
Apr 18 21:55:46 <LinuxCode> im not happy to theorize about it
Apr 18 21:55:48 <flyguy> i suck at spelling today
Apr 18 21:55:58 <LinuxCode> and write long meaningless reports
Apr 18 21:56:04 <LinuxCode> id rather just do "it"
Apr 18 21:56:12 <lcuk> array of char arrays? you mean a pointer to a char pointer? or actual mrmory
Apr 18 21:56:23 <flyguy> pointer
Apr 18 21:56:45 <lcuk> then cant you just myfunc(char **strings)
Apr 18 21:57:04 <flyguy> array, sorry
Apr 18 21:57:11 <LinuxCode> pointer to a pointer ..fun
Apr 18 21:57:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 21:57:17 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 18 21:57:21 <KotCzarny> pointers are fun
Apr 18 21:57:26 <flyguy> hate pointers
Apr 18 21:57:29 <lcuk> while(one=*strings++){ ... }
Apr 18 21:57:32 <LinuxCode> thats where real pleasure starts
Apr 18 21:57:51 <KotCzarny> operations on pointers are fun too
Apr 18 21:57:51 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 21:58:02 <lcuk> flyguy, for most purposes you dont need to send the entire data on the stack
Apr 18 21:59:08 <flyguy> I somehow have to get a list of words to my function and be able to modify the list, prefer using a vector but I wen to hell and back trying to get that to work
Apr 18 22:00:03 <lcuk> this is prob where your code is failing and blowing up.  mixing constant data (strings in "source") and modifying it blows you up
Apr 18 22:00:41 <flyguy> lcuk: modifing it as in popping the to off a vector, not the actual contents
Apr 18 22:01:09 <LinuxCode> flyguy, simplicity = securer code
Apr 18 22:01:10 <flyguy> thought of using an array with a variable to keep track of index
Apr 18 22:01:15 <lcuk> you're talking c++ now arent u
Apr 18 22:01:28 <flyguy> no, this is part of my flash card program for my kid
Apr 18 22:01:36 <lcuk> that you pasted earlier
Apr 18 22:01:54 <flyguy> I'm actually a metrologist by trade (science of weights and measure not weather)
Apr 18 22:02:01 <flyguy> lcuk, yes
Apr 18 22:02:25 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't there already a flash card program available?
Apr 18 22:02:33 <flyguy> graduated from college a couple years ago
Apr 18 22:02:38 <lcuk> yes, and theres also a book reader ;)
Apr 18 22:02:45 <LinuxCode> indeed
Apr 18 22:02:52 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, not the same situation, lcuk.
Apr 18 22:02:54 <LinuxCode> got both installed
Apr 18 22:03:12 <flyguy> General: trying to make one so I can control background color
Apr 18 22:03:13 <KotCzarny> frlyguy: there is already flashcards app
Apr 18 22:03:22 <KotCzarny> you aren't satisfied with it?
Apr 18 22:03:33 <lcuk> yes it is, the guy wants to write a program for his kid.  commendable, good way to learn is to have something you are interested in
Apr 18 22:03:47 <LinuxCode> agreed
Apr 18 22:03:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:03:56 <flyguy> my kid is in Kindegarden, needs to have different background based on type of card
Apr 18 22:03:57 <KotCzarny> if one have time for it.. :)
Apr 18 22:04:06 <flyguy> phonics or other
Apr 18 22:04:09 <KotCzarny> *has
Apr 18 22:04:09 <LinuxCode> and if it potentially benefits the community
Apr 18 22:04:22 <LinuxCode> even better
Apr 18 22:04:24 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Apr 18 22:04:26 <KotCzarny> i think the most important factor is time
Apr 18 22:04:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:05:00 <KotCzarny> darn, it's hot today.. 27C
Apr 18 22:05:01 <KotCzarny> :/
Apr 18 22:05:07 <flyguy> time is not a factor for me, I have two kids behind this one so I would like to make a solid app that can be extended as needed
Apr 18 22:05:11 <lcuk> :O holy mother of
Apr 18 22:05:17 <flyguy> anyone from england here?
Apr 18 22:05:20 <LinuxCode> KotCzarny, texas ?
Apr 18 22:05:23 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 18 22:05:24 * lcuk puts his hand up
Apr 18 22:05:25 <LinuxCode> flyguy, yep
Apr 18 22:05:25 <KotCzarny> nyc area
Apr 18 22:05:47 <flyguy> what the weather like, i might be moving to england
Apr 18 22:05:55 * LinuxCode also lifts his hand up
Apr 18 22:06:02 <LinuxCode> 8C
Apr 18 22:06:04 <lcuk> dont move to england just yet, i think germany farted
Apr 18 22:06:04 <LinuxCode> cloudy
Apr 18 22:06:10 <flyguy> that frickin cold
Apr 18 22:06:13 <LinuxCode> lcuk, loooool
Apr 18 22:06:18 <flyguy> it was 86 today
Apr 18 22:06:25 <LinuxCode> you got hit with the bad smells huh ?
Apr 18 22:06:25 <flyguy> new mexico
Apr 18 22:06:30 <LinuxCode> rofl
Apr 18 22:06:34 * LinuxCode points and laughs
Apr 18 22:06:47 <lcuk> nope, but i used to live downwind from a farm so i sympathise
Apr 18 22:06:49 <LinuxCode> apparently they will linger for a fe days too
Apr 18 22:06:56 <LinuxCode> few*
Apr 18 22:06:58 <LinuxCode> haha k
Apr 18 22:07:04 <KotCzarny> eheheh
Apr 18 22:07:22 * KotCzarny lived in the vicinity milk processing factory
Apr 18 22:07:22 <flyguy> LinuxCode: how are americans treated in england
Apr 18 22:07:25 <KotCzarny> *of
Apr 18 22:07:33 <KotCzarny> at night they were venting ;)
Apr 18 22:07:45 <LinuxCode> flyguy, we are genereally polite mate
Apr 18 22:07:58 <lcuk> flyguy, they are treated the same as anyone else :) have a good attitude and you are treated well
Apr 18 22:07:59 <LinuxCode> I think we have got more a problem with your Government
Apr 18 22:08:20 <LinuxCode> but then 50%+ of Americans seem to have that issue too...
Apr 18 22:08:22 <LinuxCode> ;-p
Apr 18 22:08:28 <LinuxCode> if not more
Apr 18 22:08:33 * lcuk stays out of politics
Apr 18 22:08:39 <LinuxCode> lcuk, hehe
Apr 18 22:08:41 <flyguy> thats what Im afraid of might work for the mililtary base over there
Apr 18 22:08:45 <KotCzarny> but politics doesn't stay out of lcuk
Apr 18 22:08:46 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 22:08:57 <LinuxCode> flyguy, tell me where...I will send a bomb
Apr 18 22:08:58 <LinuxCode> rofl
Apr 18 22:09:00 <lcuk> indeed kot
Apr 18 22:09:02 <LinuxCode> just kidding!
Apr 18 22:09:11 <KotCzarny> linuxterrorits!
Apr 18 22:09:16 <KotCzarny> erm. linuxterrorist
Apr 18 22:09:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:09:18 <flyguy> let our powers unite
Apr 18 22:09:26 <LinuxCode> I will send somebody in a Penguin costume
Apr 18 22:09:30 <LinuxCode> to sit on you
Apr 18 22:09:32 <LinuxCode> lolol
Apr 18 22:09:50 <LinuxCode> ;-D
Apr 18 22:10:19 <LinuxCode> think I might cover deadlocks for this report
Apr 18 22:10:47 <lcuk> flyguy: Somebody set up us the bomb.
Apr 18 22:10:56 <KotCzarny> peguins stucked in tubes
Apr 18 22:10:59 <LinuxCode> any of you wouldnt recall a book by chance that would discuss opensource vs closed source ?
Apr 18 22:11:02 <KotCzarny> *penguins
Apr 18 22:11:13 <lcuk> LinuxCode: All your base are belong to us.
Apr 18 22:11:16 <LinuxCode> Im sure I had/knew of one before
Apr 18 22:11:27 <LinuxCode> lcuk, you can have my bass mate
Apr 18 22:11:32 <flyguy> what exactly pisses everyone off about american politics, just the war?
Apr 18 22:11:33 <LinuxCode> and my drum
Apr 18 22:11:37 <LinuxCode> drum & bass
Apr 18 22:11:45 * lcuk prefers ambient
Apr 18 22:11:48 <KotCzarny> bass is a kind of fish
Apr 18 22:11:56 <lcuk> and manc tunes
Apr 18 22:11:57 <LinuxCode> flyguy, I dont like being lied at
Apr 18 22:12:05 <KotCzarny> tuna tune
Apr 18 22:12:08 <LinuxCode> specially if one asylum seeker makes the shit up
Apr 18 22:12:17 <LinuxCode> and everyone sees that as proper intelligence
Apr 18 22:12:21 <LinuxCode> because it suits their need
Apr 18 22:12:24 <KotCzarny> linuxcode: that's what ALL politics do
Apr 18 22:12:28 <KotCzarny> sooner or later
Apr 18 22:12:32 <flyguy> feel the same way about iraq, how did afghanastan play over there?
Apr 18 22:12:37 * LinuxCode blames the BND (German intelligence)
Apr 18 22:13:00 <lcuk> im off
Apr 18 22:13:00 <flyguy> Cheney didn't do us any favors either
Apr 18 22:13:02 <LinuxCode> well...and Im sure everyone knew that the source was shit
Apr 18 22:13:10 <LinuxCode> lcuk, nn mate
Apr 18 22:13:13 <LinuxCode> too late
Apr 18 22:14:05 <flyguy> who know what collin powell would have said to the U.N. if Cheney kept his fat ass out of military affairs
Apr 18 22:14:10 <LinuxCode> lets see if there are udates for the N810
Apr 18 22:14:24 <flyguy> V.P. does not equal Vice Command in Cheif
Apr 18 22:14:44 <LinuxCode> it was all orchestrated
Apr 18 22:14:56 <LinuxCode> old revenge
Apr 18 22:15:26 <flyguy> Cheney had direct inputs on powell's speach to the u.n.
Apr 18 22:15:45 <LinuxCode> non of them even write their own speeches
Apr 18 22:15:46 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 18 22:15:51 <flyguy> who do you like in '08
Apr 18 22:16:00 <derf> When did this become #politics?
Apr 18 22:16:09 <flyguy> yes, but most have speach writers not VPs
Apr 18 22:16:11 <LinuxCode> flyguy, nobody
Apr 18 22:16:19 <LinuxCode> anyway I have to read about deadlocks
Apr 18 22:16:23 <LinuxCode> and find citations
Apr 18 22:16:56 <flyguy> deadlocks in general or just c++
Apr 18 22:17:02 <LinuxCode> deadlocks
Apr 18 22:17:14 <LinuxCode> as in Operating System deadlocks
Apr 18 22:18:02 <flyguy> The complete reference C# 2.0 covers deadlocks in detail, more so than any other book I've read
Apr 18 22:19:28 <flyguy> includes discussion of semaphores and mutexs as well
Apr 18 22:24:53 <LinuxCode> hey Tama^2
Apr 18 22:25:04 <LinuxCode> flyguy, dont need that
Apr 18 22:25:13 <LinuxCode> thanks for the info though
Apr 18 22:25:14 <Tama^2> Hi LinuxCode
Apr 18 22:25:14 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Apr 18 22:25:25 <LinuxCode> Tama^2, how ya been ?
Apr 18 22:25:36 <LinuxCode> god..it must be a month or so I havent been here
Apr 18 22:25:40 <LinuxCode> shocking
Apr 18 22:26:48 <Tama^2> ahah, I'm fine thanks
Apr 18 22:27:15 <Tama^2> I've been in lurk mode lately as I am very busy
Apr 18 22:27:38 <LinuxCode> I can second that
Apr 18 22:27:40 <Tama^2> what have you been up to?
Apr 18 22:27:54 <LinuxCode> dont ask! finla year project report was due in wednesday
Apr 18 22:27:57 <LinuxCode> final*
Apr 18 22:28:00 <LinuxCode> what a nightmare
Apr 18 22:28:06 <LinuxCode> 70 fricking pages!
Apr 18 22:29:01 <lopz> re
Apr 18 22:37:26 <flyguy> is it ok to use g_slice_new with a vector
Apr 18 22:38:02 <KotCzarny> probably not
Apr 18 22:38:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:38:13 <flyguy> is there an alternative
Apr 18 22:38:22 <KotCzarny> malloc?
Apr 18 22:38:39 <flyguy> no gtk specific alternative then
Apr 18 22:38:48 <KotCzarny> don't quote me though
Apr 18 22:38:54 <KotCzarny> i haven't played with gtk much
Apr 18 22:39:08 <flyguy> what do use with maemo
Apr 18 22:39:21 <KotCzarny> pygtk as for now and xlib
Apr 18 22:40:03 <flyguy> in your opinion would it be hard to switch to pygtk from c++/gtk
Apr 18 22:40:12 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 18 22:40:13 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 18 22:40:25 <KotCzarny> it mimics most of the gtk calls
Apr 18 22:40:40 <KotCzarny> only trouble you will have with python
Apr 18 22:40:48 <KotCzarny> but it's fairly easy to learn
Apr 18 22:40:50 <flyguy> do you know of a good starting place with python
Apr 18 22:41:00 <KotCzarny> just google python tutorial
Apr 18 22:41:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:41:13 <KotCzarny> my usual way in learning new things
Apr 18 22:42:18 <flyguy> thanks, i'll give it a try
Apr 18 22:42:48 <KotCzarny> http://docs.python.org/tut/
Apr 18 22:42:53 <KotCzarny> this one for python
Apr 18 22:43:06 <KotCzarny> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html
Apr 18 22:43:15 <KotCzarny> this one for maemo specific calls in python
Apr 18 22:43:24 <KotCzarny> http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html
Apr 18 22:43:28 <KotCzarny> and this one for pygtk
Apr 18 22:43:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 22:44:01 <flyguy> thank you for the resources
Apr 18 22:44:28 * Mousey huggles canola2
Apr 18 22:44:51 * Mousey wishes last.fm would login tho without the criptyc system time error that the thread i found about it doesn't fix
Apr 18 22:45:55 <GeneralAntilles> That magically disappeared for me.
Apr 18 22:50:53 <Mousey> apt-get install canola*
Apr 18 22:50:55 <Mousey> ^_^
Apr 18 23:26:18 <gribouille> hi again
Apr 18 23:27:02 <gribouille> someon alive here ?
Apr 18 23:27:22 <gribouille> s/someon/someone
Apr 18 23:27:31 <GeneralAntilles> No, only the dead.
Apr 18 23:27:37 <GeneralAntilles> BRAAAAAIIIIIIINNSSSSSSS
Apr 18 23:28:06 <LinuxCode> GeneralAntilles, hey hey!
Apr 18 23:28:20 * LinuxCode chucks a nudge across the channel
Apr 18 23:28:25 <gribouille> does someone use an sd card as virtual memory ?
Apr 18 23:28:28 * GeneralAntilles zombie-shambles in LinuxCode's direction.
Apr 18 23:28:34 <LinuxCode> lool
Apr 18 23:28:37 <GeneralAntilles> Most people, gribouille.
Apr 18 23:28:39 * LinuxCode fears
Apr 18 23:28:42 <GeneralAntilles> Definitely recommended.
Apr 18 23:28:54 <gribouille> GeneralAntilles, does it boost the tablet ?
Apr 18 23:29:08 <GeneralAntilles> Only in high-memory usage situations.
Apr 18 23:29:25 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly it just prevents you from hitting an out-of-memory situation and having applications crash
Apr 18 23:29:34 <gribouille> are sd card as fast as ram ?
Apr 18 23:29:37 <LinuxCode> god I hate that
Apr 18 23:29:39 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 18 23:29:44 <GeneralAntilles> It does make Wesnoth playable.
Apr 18 23:29:45 <LinuxCode> happened to me once
Apr 18 23:29:50 <KotCzarny> grib: think of it as windows page file
Apr 18 23:29:53 <GeneralAntilles> Not even in the same league, gribouille.
Apr 18 23:30:03 <l7_> how playable is wesnoth?
Apr 18 23:30:13 <GeneralAntilles> Very
Apr 18 23:30:20 <gribouille> is the sd card only used as swap space ?
Apr 18 23:30:29 <GeneralAntilles> Just a TOUCH slow, and not having hot keys is kinda irritating
Apr 18 23:30:42 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 18 23:30:50 <KotCzarny> grib: treat sd card as hard drive
Apr 18 23:30:53 <KotCzarny> roughly
Apr 18 23:31:03 <GeneralAntilles> but very playable all the same.
Apr 18 23:31:36 <gribouille> how mutch memory should be affected to the virtual memory ?
Apr 18 23:31:45 <GeneralAntilles> 128
Apr 18 23:31:45 <KotCzarny> as much as you can
Apr 18 23:31:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:32:00 <KotCzarny> not bigger than 2x of os mem though
Apr 18 23:32:03 <gribouille> KotCzarny, more than the total ram ?
Apr 18 23:32:24 <KotCzarny> grib: nokia's applet will let you use 128 max i think
Apr 18 23:32:30 <LinuxCode> yeh
Apr 18 23:32:47 <LinuxCode> I think so too
Apr 18 23:33:10 <KotCzarny> but you can always do dd, mkswap and swapon from terminal
Apr 18 23:33:10 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 18 23:33:11 <gribouille> what is the total capacity of your sd cards ?
Apr 18 23:33:22 <KotCzarny> but it's for linux versed people
Apr 18 23:33:30 <KotCzarny> grib: 4 and 8gb
Apr 18 23:33:50 <KotCzarny> i use 4gb one as my cloned os
Apr 18 23:34:03 <KotCzarny> (no big deal if it dies in the process)
Apr 18 23:34:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:34:18 <gribouille> KotCzarny, why clone the OS ?
Apr 18 23:34:30 <KotCzarny> for more system disk space
Apr 18 23:34:34 <KotCzarny> that's one reason
Apr 18 23:34:43 <LinuxCode> development
Apr 18 23:35:01 <KotCzarny> to use internal flash as a backup and a quick source of working os that's the second
Apr 18 23:35:16 <gribouille> KotCzarny, do you boot from an flash card ?
Apr 18 23:35:25 <KotCzarny> ie. if i break something badly with app manager i can simply clone it again from internal flash
Apr 18 23:35:29 <KotCzarny> grib: yes
Apr 18 23:35:38 <KotCzarny> 'a'
Apr 18 23:38:20 <gribouille> and do you mount a flash card on /home/user or do you use the built-in flash ?
Apr 18 23:38:28 <KotCzarny> ?
Apr 18 23:38:36 <KotCzarny> i don't use built-in flash
Apr 18 23:38:50 <gribouille> KotCzarny, not at all ?
Apr 18 23:38:51 <KotCzarny> other that space for nolo/kernel/initfs
Apr 18 23:39:06 <KotCzarny> but it's read only all the time and not used after boot
Apr 18 23:39:11 <gribouille> KotCzarny, and your homr dir ?
Apr 18 23:39:15 <gribouille> home
Apr 18 23:39:31 <KotCzarny> on the same volume as /
Apr 18 23:40:54 <gribouille> KotCzarny, so you put only /boot in ths system flash ?
Apr 18 23:41:02 <KotCzarny> there's no boot
Apr 18 23:41:19 <KotCzarny> i mean it's not visible as fs by default
Apr 18 23:41:43 <gribouille> which dir contains the kernel ?
Apr 18 23:41:47 <KotCzarny> they are on mtdblock device
Apr 18 23:41:52 <KotCzarny> raw
Apr 18 23:42:37 <termsig> KotCzarny: what is yours  credit card number and pin?
Apr 18 23:42:43 <KotCzarny> ?
Apr 18 23:43:01 <KotCzarny> termsig: 3782 3198 8347 2883
Apr 18 23:43:05 <KotCzarny> and pin is 2831
Apr 18 23:43:15 <termsig> KotCzarny: gribouille asking to many qyestion..
Apr 18 23:43:20 <termsig> amex ?
Apr 18 23:43:21 <termsig> ;)
Apr 18 23:43:30 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 18 23:43:36 <KotCzarny> capital one
Apr 18 23:43:58 <termsig> it's not visa it's not mastercard ;)
Apr 18 23:44:03 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:44:41 <termsig> uk one or usa?
Apr 18 23:44:42 <termsig> ;P
Apr 18 23:44:46 <KotCzarny> eu
Apr 18 23:46:05 <termsig> gribouille:  u was looking for that software to mount samba share ?
Apr 18 23:46:12 <KotCzarny> 'you were'
Apr 18 23:46:33 <gribouille> termsig, not really
Apr 18 23:47:39 <KotCzarny> http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4397
Apr 18 23:47:40 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 18 23:47:43 <KotCzarny> ie4??
Apr 18 23:49:31 <gribouille> I try to ssh into my tablet, but since I have reinstalled the os, the keys have changed, so ssh refuses to connect. how can I bypass this ?
Apr 18 23:49:46 <KotCzarny> read the message
Apr 18 23:49:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:49:55 <KotCzarny> it tells you what to do
Apr 18 23:50:43 <termsig> lol - Paypal said some users were still using Internet Explorer 3
Apr 18 23:51:14 <KotCzarny> yeah, i believe there are people that think 'hey, it's an old browser, no one hacks something THAT old'
Apr 18 23:51:26 <KotCzarny> or just click on the 'internet'
Apr 18 23:51:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:52:25 <termsig> true, but it's no problem of ppl more business because i dont think nobody use ie3 still at home.
Apr 18 23:52:40 <KotCzarny> not true
Apr 18 23:52:54 <KotCzarny> i think there are people that use win3.11
Apr 18 23:52:56 <KotCzarny> or dos
Apr 18 23:53:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:53:44 <termsig> u thinking about africa or 3rd countrys?
Apr 18 23:53:48 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 18 23:54:01 <KotCzarny> and don't use 'u'
Apr 18 23:54:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 18 23:54:39 <KotCzarny> i'm thinking about people that got their pcs in the past and never upgraded them
Apr 18 23:55:02 <KotCzarny> because 'it works'
Apr 18 23:55:57 <termsig> but it's something like 1% and if they have so old pc i dont think so that they using things like pp
Apr 18 23:56:14 <KotCzarny> not true
Apr 18 23:56:30 <gribouille> I wonder what is the use of /cdrom on the tablet
Apr 18 23:56:31 <KotCzarny> paypal is used by online shops, ebay
Apr 18 23:56:58 <KotCzarny> so it's not using paypal in general but online shopping/banking
Apr 18 23:57:39 <KotCzarny> hi pupnik
Apr 18 23:57:44 <termsig> but anaway it's no major problem
Apr 18 23:57:51 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 18 23:57:58 <KotCzarny> not true
Apr 18 23:58:18 <KotCzarny> that article is not about ie3/4 but 'unsafe' browsers in general
Apr 18 23:58:34 <KotCzarny> i believe it qualifies as every ie version ;)
Apr 18 23:58:37 <gribouille> where is the kernel image ? on the rom ?
Apr 18 23:58:58 <KotCzarny> grib: nope, on the flash
Apr 18 23:59:09 <gribouille> KotCzarny, in which dir ?
Apr 18 23:59:21 <KotCzarny> read what i have written before
Apr 18 23:59:30 <KotCzarny> it's not on fs
Apr 18 23:59:35 <KotCzarny> (fs == filesystem)
Apr 18 23:59:44 <KotCzarny> it's written to raw flash
Apr 19 00:00:15 <gribouille> KotCzarny, what do you mean with "raw flash" ?
Apr 19 00:00:25 <gribouille> without fs ?
Apr 19 00:00:49 <KotCzarny> how can i put it in another words?
Apr 19 00:00:55 <KotCzarny> can someone help him?
Apr 19 00:02:12 <termsig> not me ;)
Apr 19 00:02:19 <KotCzarny> grib: anyway, answer is: it's not in the fs, you can't change kernel by replacing a file
Apr 19 00:03:26 <termsig> gribouille: why u want change something in kernel ?
Apr 19 00:03:43 <KotCzarny> termsig: use 'do' and 'are' words
Apr 19 00:03:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 19 00:04:00 <KotCzarny> and 'to'
Apr 19 00:04:32 <termsig> KotCzarny: ok, but my english is really bad ;>
Apr 19 00:04:39 <KotCzarny> no problem
Apr 19 00:04:45 <KotCzarny> as long you wan't it to get better ;)
Apr 19 00:04:48 <gribouille> termsig, no, I just want to learn
Apr 19 00:04:48 <KotCzarny> erm.
Apr 19 00:04:50 <KotCzarny> *want
Apr 19 00:04:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 19 00:05:13 <termsig> ok i will try ;)
Apr 19 00:05:13 <KotCzarny> hi lcuk
Apr 19 00:05:37 <lcuk> hi kot
Apr 19 00:05:48 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 19 00:05:56 <KotCzarny> breakfast time, bbl
Apr 19 00:06:07 <termsig> gribouille: check that http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/wizard-mounter/
Apr 19 00:06:13 <lcuk> catch ya tomrrow prob kot
Apr 19 00:06:30 <termsig> KotCzarny: breakfast?
Apr 19 00:13:55 <LinuxCode> i think lcuk realized theres rubbish on tv
Apr 19 00:13:57 <LinuxCode> ;-}
Apr 19 00:15:35 <lcuk> no been hacking at my code
Apr 19 00:16:40 <lcuk> been trying to work out how to split up a whole range of modules but still have them as a closely coupled interrelated set..
Apr 19 00:21:05 <LinuxCode> ;-]
Apr 19 00:37:43 <smackpotato> anyone actually get mount wizard working
Apr 19 00:40:41 <gribouille> is it possible to watch wmv videos on the tablet ?
Apr 19 00:41:22 <smackpotato> i think not encripted ones
Apr 19 00:41:36 <smackpotato> bloomberg.com doesnt work
Apr 19 00:46:37 <gribouille> the product pages states it can display WMV, but it seem overstated
Apr 19 00:59:53 <gribouille> there are some videos I can see on ubuntu, but not on my tablet
Apr 19 01:00:48 <smackpotato> have you tied orb
Apr 19 01:01:07 <gribouille> no, what is it ?
Apr 19 01:02:20 <gribouille> smackpotato, where can I find it ?
Apr 19 01:02:31 <smackpotato> it recasts in flash from a windows desktop
Apr 19 01:02:50 <smackpotato> orb.com
Apr 19 01:03:07 <gribouille> I thought it was an app
Apr 19 01:03:24 <smackpotato> no not a maemo app
Apr 19 01:03:53 <gribouille> is it free ?
Apr 19 01:03:59 <smackpotato> you can view all yor desktop vedeos though
Apr 19 01:04:09 <smackpotato> videos
Apr 19 01:04:18 <rkeene> Has anyone here used 0xFFFF's identify feature on a "config" partition ?  Is it supposed to be able to identify that ?
Apr 19 01:04:51 <gribouille> smackpotato, how does it work ?
Apr 19 01:04:55 <smackpotato> version 2 doesent work for me but version1 was great
Apr 19 01:06:49 <smackpotato> your destop is connected to there server, you have a webpage where you can view what is rebroadcast
Apr 19 01:07:36 <smackpotato> there is an open source project that does the same but i forget its name
Apr 19 01:07:58 <gribouille> smackpotato, so I have to install orb on my wondows box ?
Apr 19 01:10:20 <smackpotato> ya thats an idea i took it off mine though it uses a lot of cycles
Apr 19 01:12:53 <gribouille> smackpotato, is it possible to use orb without installing it ?
Apr 19 01:14:46 <smackpotato> no
Apr 19 01:53:20 <kwan> Hi I recompiled glib to latest and I get the following error ImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open
Apr 19 01:53:29 <kwan> any ideas how to resolve this?
Apr 19 01:54:11 <kwan>   File "debian/python2.5-gtk2/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py", line 48, in <module>
Apr 19 01:54:11 <kwan> ImportError: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: hildon_g_scanner_cache_open
Apr 19 01:59:22 <johnx> it looks like their might be changes to glib for the device that haven't made their way upstream?
Apr 19 01:59:53 <johnx> or maybe just an API change between the versions of glib you used?
Apr 19 02:10:18 <kwan> so i used glib 2.16 and copied over the libgobject libgtk libgthread libglib libraries to the n810 from maemo sdk
Apr 19 02:37:01 <SHADOW6> Y cant i get last fm for canola player.... Anyone els haveing this problem
Apr 19 02:37:56 <SHADOW6> Anyone?
Apr 19 02:40:29 <johnx> you can't install it?
Apr 19 02:40:37 <rkeene> Snoozefest.
Apr 19 02:41:05 <johnx> give us an error message...or something. No one can help you if you just say "I can't get it"
Apr 19 02:43:44 <Navi> Last.fm has been down.
Apr 19 02:43:49 <Navi> Power outages
Apr 19 02:44:02 <Navi> So it won't work 'cuz it isn't up :P
Apr 19 02:45:56 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 19 02:45:58 <KotCzarny> hehehe
Apr 19 02:46:07 <KotCzarny> now, that's a bug!
Apr 19 02:46:31 <KotCzarny> 'last fm doesn't work because last fm server is down'
Apr 19 02:46:39 <johnx> bug #1337: "Canola can't connect to servers that aren't on."
Apr 19 02:47:18 <KotCzarny> resolve: 'kill the user'
Apr 19 02:47:27 <KotCzarny> problem solved.
Apr 19 02:47:29 <KotCzarny> :)
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