**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 19 02:59:57 2008 Apr 19 03:02:17 is it common knowledge that ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit Apr 19 03:03:06 yup Apr 19 03:03:19 mine came with plastic 'antenna' Apr 19 03:03:49 at least connector is available on it :) Apr 19 03:06:12 3 Apr 19 03:13:31 Can someone point me to an unzip package for os2008? (command line is fine, i don't need a gui) Apr 19 03:27:23 never mind, I found it...it was in my list of packages Apr 19 04:14:02 hi people, how can i test my maemo apps without download more than 1gb? Apr 19 04:14:25 buy a tablet Apr 19 04:14:34 :> Apr 19 04:14:39 huahuauhahuahuahua Apr 19 04:15:30 maybe if you had another armel-hildon device Apr 19 04:15:32 :) Apr 19 04:25:06 Test. Apr 19 04:25:56 irc: command not found: Test. Apr 19 04:26:16 Do you know whete to find libart Apr 19 04:26:45 debian.org ? Apr 19 04:26:48 in armel ports Apr 19 04:27:01 Danke Apr 19 04:32:48 arm = armel? Apr 19 04:32:52 no Apr 19 04:39:41 I am currently trying to partition my internal 2 gig memory card on the n810 using sfdisk Apr 19 04:40:07 I unmounted mmc2, remounted it under sfdisk and typed /dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6 Apr 19 04:40:32 i get an error saying "unrecgonized input: 1,15000,6" Apr 19 04:40:39 does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? Apr 19 04:41:04 'remounted undef sfdisk' ? Apr 19 04:41:11 *under Apr 19 04:41:28 yeah sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 Apr 19 04:41:41 i'm just arguing with terminology Apr 19 04:41:41 :) Apr 19 04:42:10 if you want easier task just connect it via usb to pc and run partitioning tool on pc Apr 19 04:42:19 sfdisk is hardcore Apr 19 04:42:20 ;) Apr 19 04:42:54 well i'm following instructions and i'm only typing what is in the instructions. I didn't think that i could mess it up that way Apr 19 04:43:07 apparently you could Apr 19 04:43:10 :> Apr 19 04:43:19 because it's not working, right? Apr 19 04:43:20 :) Apr 19 04:44:08 does anyone have anything to say that isn't obvious? Apr 19 04:44:45 [cricket's chirping] Apr 19 04:48:04 the armel libart on debian it incompatible Apr 19 04:48:23 hmm Apr 19 04:48:33 ekt: then gronmayer.com/it/ Apr 19 04:48:38 or compile it yourself Apr 19 04:49:22 i'm pretty sucky at it. And many other tjings Apr 19 04:49:32 like typing Apr 19 04:52:00 is a Linux_83 partition the same thing as a ext 3 partition? Apr 19 04:52:58 yes **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 19 04:56:18 2008 Apr 19 05:11:06 Woo, Last.fm is back up Apr 19 05:26:33 adiós Apr 19 08:03:48 what's boring Apr 19 08:42:20 Morning, all Apr 19 08:45:42 good afternoon Jaffa Apr 19 08:46:00 its almost 5pm here :P Apr 19 10:30:13 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html Apr 19 10:30:16 interesting Apr 19 10:31:08 Yeah, I saw the thread on ITT. Be interesting for me actually as I use Ubuntu as main distro. Apr 19 10:31:32 I'm not sure if I "get" it Apr 19 10:31:45 Is it just another distro's arm port? Apr 19 10:32:04 I'm not sure on what will happen to Maemo. Apr 19 10:32:18 What it deserves Apr 19 10:32:33 it's junk, really Apr 19 10:32:40 hack on hack on hack Apr 19 10:32:54 the only nice thing in it is UI Apr 19 10:32:56 The important parts of maemo are already open and available. Apr 19 10:33:09 like, mce? Apr 19 10:33:12 AStorm, in that case, Ubuntu Mobile Edition is your thing :P Apr 19 10:33:23 Ubuntu Mobile is still junk at this point. Apr 19 10:33:27 yup Apr 19 10:33:34 True but it has Maemo ui Apr 19 10:33:48 but it's still more hacky Apr 19 10:33:49 Really, AStorm, whatever you may have against maemo and ITOS, there's nothing better on the playing field at the moment. Apr 19 10:34:05 GeneralAntilles: I know :( Apr 19 10:34:24 We need gcc 4.3 packaged for ARM Apr 19 10:34:41 In setting up a native build environment, Mojo went to the extent of assembling its own single-board computer around an ARM-based Intel processor. Apr 19 10:34:42 plus older libstdc++ Apr 19 10:34:43 It's still a new product niche. Apr 19 10:34:45 ? Apr 19 10:34:51 Things'll pick up when we get more manpower behind it. Apr 19 10:35:04 ah, right Apr 19 10:35:15 I did not know that intel also did arm Apr 19 10:35:27 keesj: sure hey do, XScale Apr 19 10:35:37 They've mostly dropped it these days, though. Apr 19 10:35:39 Unfortunately. Apr 19 10:35:42 mhm Apr 19 10:35:50 x86 is the mobile field is straight-up shit. Apr 19 10:36:05 are too busy pushing multi-core and ULV x86 Apr 19 10:36:17 Shoehorning x86 into something it most certainly wasn't designed for is stupid. Apr 19 10:36:31 Better to put your energy into improving something that's already better. :\ Apr 19 10:36:36 it wasn't designed for anything Apr 19 10:36:44 x86 is hacky too Apr 19 10:36:57 But, meh, Intel wasn't a particularly important ARM player anyway. Apr 19 10:37:30 yup Apr 19 10:39:02 x86 really doesn't pull much advantage in an open source environment anyway. Apr 19 10:39:28 i could see ubuntu mobile converging more with maemo Apr 19 10:39:40 would provide more manpower and infrastructure Apr 19 10:39:40 hehe Apr 19 10:39:41 They're already fairly close. Apr 19 10:39:51 We want a real input method Apr 19 10:39:58 e.g. AccessX Apr 19 10:40:06 well even more, poosibly on the nokia/canonical level also Apr 19 10:40:12 Really, the entire mobile and embedded space is disturbingly fragmented. Apr 19 10:40:17 yup Apr 19 10:40:18 im just making stuff up though Apr 19 10:40:26 It's really hurting users. Apr 19 10:40:31 Ubuntu and shuttleworth might unify it Apr 19 10:40:41 i mean ubuntu will ship proprietary stuff it it needs to Apr 19 10:40:45 so will nokia Apr 19 10:40:48 if they cooperate with Nokia Apr 19 10:41:02 I don't particularly care what, but we need some sort of standard. Apr 19 10:41:08 trickie: not with Maemo - it's just for one CPU Apr 19 10:41:18 GeneralAntilles: ARM is the standard Apr 19 10:41:31 the problems are with peripherials Apr 19 10:41:42 Software and library side. Apr 19 10:41:46 like PowerVR chip Apr 19 10:41:58 and wifi Apr 19 10:42:37 Software is close Apr 19 10:43:28 we have .deb here Apr 19 10:43:35 AStorm: i know, but if that architecture/sub-architecture is also supported by ubuntu mobile, then the gains for maemo users could be big Apr 19 10:43:43 yup Apr 19 10:43:50 Huh, MontaVista has a version out for OMAP3430 Apr 19 10:43:56 as Maemo is similar to Ubuntu Apr 19 10:43:56 and of course ubuntu mobile would get quite a boost of marketing and manpower Apr 19 10:44:07 GeneralAntilles: how expensive? Apr 19 10:44:39 and, do they have a gfx driver and wifi right? Apr 19 10:44:45 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9696858938.html Apr 19 10:44:53 I like this line: The OMAP3430 clocks its core up to 800MHz. Apr 19 10:45:06 GeneralAntilles: mamona is also starting to support it Apr 19 10:45:23 I want a new kernel, dammit Apr 19 10:46:47 OIf I get the drivers working (with wireless extensions), only sky will be the limit Apr 19 10:47:07 ah, and ARM cross compiler, but that I already have Apr 19 10:48:45 anyone know any good sites for themes :p Apr 19 10:49:03 maemo.org/downloads Apr 19 10:49:25 There's only about 3 themes. Not much. Apr 19 10:49:48 Echo is still the best Apr 19 10:49:55 Unless you're really into Star Trek Apr 19 10:49:56 I saw a funny star trek stylee theme, but it was a bit ott Apr 19 10:50:00 In which case, LCARS is the way to go. :P Apr 19 10:50:16 Eww, Star Trek :O Apr 19 10:52:20 * GeneralAntilles goes Veruca Sault for a bit over the N900. Apr 19 10:53:40 I'm still undecided over a Pandora or N900. Then again commercial games are my thing so I'll sell my PSP, get a PSP Slim and an N900. Apr 19 10:54:09 qwerty12, I'm still convinced reusing Pandora code on the N900 is gonna be the way to go. Apr 19 10:56:19 GeneralAntilles, Probably, but is Pandora stuff guaranteed to run on the N900? I know the processor will be same but library differences, buttons etc may be a problem. But I prefer commercial games so Pandora compatibility isn't a high priority for me. Apr 19 10:56:38 It'll probably involve some porting Apr 19 10:56:49 but the base architecture is gonna be basically identical Apr 19 10:56:55 So porting should be fairly straightforward. Apr 19 10:57:44 Ah, I guess having more games isn't a bad thing :). Of course, I may end up selling my N800 and PSP and getting an N900 and a Pandora. Apr 19 10:58:47 I may also be able to sell an broken Pocket PC for $30 :p Apr 19 10:59:14 n900? Apr 19 10:59:26 Let GeneralAntilles fill you in :p Apr 19 10:59:39 I don't know much anyway. Apr 19 11:00:41 There's no hard data at this point. Apr 19 11:00:55 But we can pretty much assume it'll be using the OMAP3430 Apr 19 11:02:27 lol, just installed LCARS to see what it was like, OMG, hehehe Apr 19 11:02:42 it's worth it for the giggles Apr 19 11:03:33 * Cptnodegard decided to get creative Apr 19 11:03:34 It's more or less perfect. Apr 19 11:03:34 http://captain-odegard.com/a650is/flowersv1.jpg Apr 19 11:12:16 All right, fMSX, Speccy, and VGBA are now available from Extras repository. Apr 19 11:12:21 (thanks, XFade =)) Apr 19 11:13:06 Woo Apr 19 11:50:01 nice...I take my N800 with me to work today, so I can play with garnet VM on the bus, and forget my stylus at home...good thing I had a toothpick with me to use instead ;) Apr 19 11:55:19 use the stylus hodler Apr 19 12:31:47 hi Apr 19 12:31:53 anyone can helps me? Apr 19 12:32:01 i tried to install kde on my n800 Apr 19 12:32:31 but when i tried to install kde-358.deb, app admin crashed Apr 19 12:32:45 and now it only says there is no enough memory Apr 19 12:32:51 and the app list is empty! Apr 19 12:37:36 Did you try installing to the internal flash? Apr 19 12:59:38 yes Apr 19 12:59:39 mmc2 is internal flash Apr 19 12:59:49 and i tried to install there Apr 19 13:00:40 please help me :( Apr 19 13:19:11 hello everyone, tzmee again..... :) Apr 19 13:19:25 anyone of you been playing with the google API for a while? Apr 19 13:20:20 not one of you? *lol* Apr 19 13:21:51 Ok, then i have a different question: does anyone of you know of some kind of "open contacts" project that i can join? Apr 19 13:42:21 anyone installed kde succesfully? Apr 19 13:44:23 :-\ Apr 19 13:47:35 Lots of people Apr 19 13:47:40 Have you tried the KDE forum on ITT? Apr 19 13:51:12 kde? bah, you should install gnome instead Apr 19 13:59:54 what is wrong with this code? http://rafb.net/p/ICUKod69.html Apr 19 14:06:05 mbuf: it just hangs in while(1) instead of starting the gtk/glib main loop Apr 19 14:06:27 pH5, i don't get any output from location_changed Apr 19 14:06:42 pH5, ohh! i need to start gtk_main() Apr 19 14:06:48 mbuf: yes :) Apr 19 14:10:25 hi Apr 19 14:12:49 pH5, i also forgot to do gtk_init (&argc, &argv); Apr 19 14:17:56 is it common knowlage ebay bluetooth dongles are counterfit Apr 19 14:21:38 counterfeit? Apr 19 14:22:03 how can I create partitions on an sd card ? Apr 19 14:23:21 Yes, smackpotato, the sizes go in reverse. :P Apr 19 14:23:48 rm_you_, you about? Apr 19 14:25:16 the ad@rees was 11.11.11.11 Apr 19 14:26:55 anyone installed succesfully kde on a n800? Apr 19 14:27:44 komputiko, good question Apr 19 14:28:02 :P Apr 19 14:28:26 if I use an internal sd card for virtual memory, will I lose the files in that card ? Apr 19 14:28:38 nop Apr 19 14:28:40 It just eats up 128MB of space Apr 19 14:28:46 It's a little loopback image Apr 19 14:28:48 only uses 128 MB Apr 19 14:28:54 it's a "virtual file" Apr 19 14:29:01 on the SD card Apr 19 14:44:55 apt-get install diff : E: Couldn't find package diff Apr 19 14:45:06 where can I find diff ? Apr 19 14:48:46 see in maemo.org Apr 19 14:48:48 for a repository Apr 19 14:49:16 the shell is really ugly Apr 19 14:49:22 xD Apr 19 14:58:07 When was OS2008 released? Apr 19 14:58:13 November 19th or something. Apr 19 15:04:14 anyone know of any good virtual midi keyboard for a NIT? Apr 19 15:04:20 anyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error Apr 19 15:04:59 can someone tell me how to put an internal memory card ? Apr 19 15:07:29 MangoFusion: I swa a vitual kb but it seemed to support only a single octave Apr 19 15:08:02 and I dont think NIT can do multitouch for chords Apr 19 15:08:22 a bluetooth musical kb would be nice :D Apr 19 15:09:28 can someone tell me how to insert an internal memory card in the N800 please ? Apr 19 15:09:46 Put it in? Apr 19 15:09:57 Hehe, opening the battery cover? Apr 19 15:10:19 Face the pins towards the device, slide back the latch, slide in the card and hold it in, then slide out the latch. Apr 19 15:10:27 Flick up the switch and push in a memory card, click down the switch with the card inserted and close the battery cover. Apr 19 15:11:24 i've kindof got "learn how to play a musical instrument" way down on my todo list and was contemplating whether or not i could make some passable solution with my n800 Apr 19 15:11:49 though then again i reckon the screen would be too small and clumsy. probably better getting a real keyboard ;) Apr 19 15:12:29 freelikegnu hack this http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3705 :P Apr 19 15:12:38 GeneralAntilles, what latch ? Apr 19 15:12:45 You are joking? Apr 19 15:12:55 The little metal tab that holds the card in. Apr 19 15:13:32 GeneralAntilles, it's very hard to move Apr 19 15:13:48 looked at those fold-ups, look a bit dodgy to me ;) Apr 19 15:13:54 It's designed not to come undone while the device is in use. Apr 19 15:14:27 Cptnodegard: of course you can always use a QWERTY bt kb :D Apr 19 15:14:46 ok thanks. it is not written in the manual Apr 19 15:15:59 hola Apr 19 15:16:17 pupnik, you around? Apr 19 15:17:54 it says there is no internal memory card. isn't mmc2 the internal memory card ? Apr 19 15:18:16 Yes, it is. Apr 19 15:19:11 so how can it say there is no internal mmc card while it has mountd it on /media/mmc2 ? Apr 19 15:19:38 I recently "killed" off my internal slot, but I kept taking out the battery and it worked fine. Is the card you put in there working fine? Formatted with FAT (it can be with ext2 but we will say FAT for simplicity at this moment)? Apr 19 15:20:04 qwerty12, of course Apr 19 15:21:11 So, uh, can I talk anybody into expanding my new MicroB article? Apr 19 15:21:35 As long as it isn't meanwhile :P Apr 19 15:21:53 <_< Apr 19 15:22:51 back qwerty12 Apr 19 15:23:09 pupnik, skeen. I got those modules I need to send. Apr 19 15:23:42 anyone knows why, when installing kde on a n800, local-mm2.deb ALLWAYS give me an error?? Apr 19 15:23:48 thanks! i ordered the usb adapter yesterday Apr 19 15:24:04 ok, my problem seems to be soved :-) Apr 19 15:24:07 solved Apr 19 15:24:25 qwerty12: downloadable? Apr 19 15:24:32 Ah, which webhost? Apr 19 15:24:34 or emailable? Apr 19 15:24:58 I don't mind either way, send me your email over PM or give me a webhost to upload to. Apr 19 15:26:02 Ah skeen, I'll rapidshare it then seeing as you are in Germany. Apr 19 15:26:45 pupnik, http://rapidshare.com/files/108749473/rtl8187_linux_26.1010.0622.2006.tar.gz.html Apr 19 15:26:49 tyty Apr 19 15:27:14 I managed to insmod the modules fine with the script Realtek provided. dmesg showed the output was fine. Apr 19 15:27:20 please, help me :( Apr 19 15:27:58 komputiko: i have not used kde. go to internettablettalk.com and search for 'kde' Apr 19 15:28:18 Some notes though, I dont have the wifi adapter to test on :P, I compiled against a clean Nokia kernel so it should be fine and the Makefile wanted a EHDC (something like that) enabled, when I enabled it in kernel, it would always disable so I removed that EHDC line from the Makefile and it compiled :) Apr 19 15:28:47 yeahm i tried it, but the only reply founded for my problem is that the files downloaded are not ok, but that isn't Apr 19 15:28:52 !_! Apr 19 15:29:08 komputiko, what exactly is your error message? Apr 19 15:29:28 when i tried to install local-mm2.deb on a 2gb sd card Apr 19 15:29:45 it says "impossible to install" when finish Apr 19 15:29:52 could it be corrupt file? i can download local-mm2.deb and give md5sum of it Apr 19 15:30:05 mmm ok Apr 19 15:30:05 Hmm, go to tools, log and see what it says there. Apr 19 15:30:11 yes listen to qwerty12 Apr 19 15:30:43 does maemo-mapper work fine for you ? Apr 19 15:30:57 it is a pita for me to select region to download Apr 19 15:31:08 and it requires i have gps lock *and* internet connection during setup Apr 19 15:31:33 which means standing out on the street for me Apr 19 15:31:39 "/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block dispositive (translation by me...)" Apr 19 15:31:43 pupnik, does it sometimes hang ? Apr 19 15:31:53 gribouille: downloading the map data? Apr 19 15:31:56 or when Apr 19 15:32:06 gribouille, did you turn on auto-downloading? Apr 19 15:32:16 i haven't gotten it working yet Apr 19 15:32:24 pupnik, I'm trying to insert some POIs Apr 19 15:32:33 GeneralAntilles, of course I do Apr 19 15:32:54 pupnik, neither of those things are required. Apr 19 15:33:17 "/media/mmc2/local.img is not a special block device (translation by me...)" Apr 19 15:33:21 it says that Apr 19 15:33:23 on the log Apr 19 15:33:31 GeneralAntilles, what is auto-downloading exactly ? Apr 19 15:33:43 Means it'll download and cache maps as it needs them. Apr 19 15:33:50 Without that on, it'll only use cached maps. Apr 19 15:34:02 GeneralAntilles, is it a bad thing ? Apr 19 15:34:06 No Apr 19 15:34:11 You have to have it on to get maps. Apr 19 15:34:16 Turn it off if you're in the car, though. ;) Apr 19 15:34:28 pupnik, you only need the internet connection to get maps. Apr 19 15:34:32 No GPS lock required. Apr 19 15:34:50 edu@edu-portatil:~$ md5sum local-mmc2.deb 3d15f70086a1b45aaf53a7f5f8ce4891 local-mmc2.deb Apr 19 15:34:50 Maemo Mapper would operate 100% fine if it never saw a GPS. Apr 19 15:35:35 GeneralAntilles, what's wrong with the gps ? Apr 19 15:35:43 Nothing Apr 19 15:36:37 hello Apr 19 15:36:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB Apr 19 15:37:14 I started my first project on garage Apr 19 15:37:17 hola jose Apr 19 15:37:20 I'm excited! :-) Apr 19 15:37:48 hola komputiko, nos conocemos? (el mundo es tan pequenyo... :-) Apr 19 15:38:13 que yo sepa no :P Apr 19 15:38:16 GeneralAntilles, Nice article :), Maybe you could add a section on Plugins and extensions you can add? I'd do it but my English on the web isn't great (despite being born in England and not speaking any other lang :P) Apr 19 15:38:28 Yeah Apr 19 15:38:37 I'm taking a break. :P Apr 19 15:38:39 why have the basic commands been stripped down ? Apr 19 15:38:51 Because GNUtils is big and bloaty. Apr 19 15:38:54 can I read the article ? Apr 19 15:38:56 Takes RAM and storage. Apr 19 15:39:07 http://garage.maemo.org/projects/wiicontrol Apr 19 15:39:33 it can be of your interest if you own a wiimote, and you have python 2.5 installed in your NIT Apr 19 15:39:47 jose, are you jldiaz on ITT? :) Apr 19 15:39:53 gah, annoying broken certificate Apr 19 15:40:01 I am, qwerty12 :-) Apr 19 15:40:12 Ew Apr 19 15:40:18 qwerty12 is annoying Apr 19 15:40:25 Aww, why? :P Apr 19 15:40:28 qwerty12, if you want to find all mentionings of MicroB/Firefox-based/Gecko-based browser in 770, N800, N810, and Maemo for me and link to the article that'd be excellent. Apr 19 15:40:32 is it possible to use the tablet as remote control ? Apr 19 15:40:34 qwerty12, just kidding :) Apr 19 15:40:40 I forgot to change my default irc nickname... Apr 19 15:40:45 gribouille, short answer: yes long answer: for what? Apr 19 15:40:52 ah, better now Apr 19 15:40:59 GeneralAntilles, to control a computer Apr 19 15:41:09 GeneralAntilles: um. maybe i was wrong about needing a lock. Apr 19 15:41:17 You were, pupnik. :P Apr 19 15:41:21 GeneralAntilles, I could try, I'm not doing much else ATM. but i'm not versed on Wikipedia, so I'll send anything I find to you :). Apr 19 15:41:26 gribouille, what sort of computer? Apr 19 15:41:37 GeneralAntilles, here's a nice screenshot on plugins, http://i26.tinypic.com/3166aab.png :P Apr 19 15:41:41 qwerty12, think of it as an opportunity. ;) Apr 19 15:41:46 Navi, :) Apr 19 15:41:58 i think that install kde is impossible Apr 19 15:42:04 GeneralAntilles, a kind of media cente Apr 19 15:42:05 r Apr 19 15:42:09 its everythink a joke Apr 19 15:42:12 from ITT Apr 19 15:42:22 gribouille, afaik, the NIT does not have any infrared emisor Apr 19 15:42:26 komputiko, there are a ton of people that use it just fine. Apr 19 15:42:37 i know GeneralAntilles Apr 19 15:42:44 but i can't get it Apr 19 15:42:46 :( Apr 19 15:42:47 I already have an ATI remote wonder II, but it's quite basic Apr 19 15:43:06 gribouille, vnc, remote desktop, ssh, mpd/mmpc, mythtv remote and some sort of web interface are all options. Apr 19 15:43:11 jldiaz, you can use the wifi network Apr 19 15:43:13 komputiko, if you could set the language to English on your IT and post up the exact wording of the error, I could find which command is causing the problem. Apr 19 15:43:22 Remote Wonder isn't basic! :D Apr 19 15:43:27 It's just time consuming to set up. ;) Apr 19 15:43:32 just got back to using my tablet again Apr 19 15:43:33 GeneralAntilles, I use it all the time Apr 19 15:43:35 GeneralAntilles, do you have one ? Apr 19 15:43:38 er Apr 19 15:43:38 Yessir Apr 19 15:43:40 i wonder if anyone has made a bluetooth infrared adaptor that you can set in front of a tv Apr 19 15:43:48 any known issues with installing canola2 on a 770? Apr 19 15:43:48 gribouille, I use my N800 as a media remote all the time Apr 19 15:43:53 somebody did Apr 19 15:43:55 pupnik I was thinking the same Apr 19 15:43:55 a moment Apr 19 15:44:06 GeneralAntilles, what apps do you control with it ? Apr 19 15:44:11 Navi: the same Navi from Quakenet? Apr 19 15:44:12 GeneralAntilles, Is there a section on wikipedia where you can post suggested edits and get approval by someone else before they make it into the final article? Apr 19 15:44:17 Navi, how do you do that ? Apr 19 15:44:27 MMPC, mythtv Apr 19 15:44:32 Not that I know of, qwerty12. Apr 19 15:44:37 pupnik: http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/28/ir2bt-infrared-to-bluetooth-converter-now-on-sale-ps3-owners-re/ Apr 19 15:45:05 GeneralAntilles, Ah, thanks. I'll make edits that add stuff rather than edit existing stuff as you can easily remove it then. Apr 19 15:45:23 qwerty12, it keeps a history of all edits Apr 19 15:45:34 so if you just say what you did in each edit, it's easy to revert. Apr 19 15:46:07 The maemo articles are pretty much shit right now, so you'd be hard pressed to do anything but make them better. :P Apr 19 15:46:17 Hehe Apr 19 15:46:23 RST38h, that works the opposite way Apr 19 15:46:38 RST38h: interesting, but it's backwards of the functino i was th Apr 19 15:46:53 RST38h, looks interesting Apr 19 15:47:02 but yeah, backwards :( Apr 19 15:47:18 Mmm... I have a Palm Tungsten T-3 Apr 19 15:47:23 it does have bluetooth and IR Apr 19 15:47:31 so it would be possible to .. hmmm Apr 19 15:47:58 ah Apr 19 15:48:52 the idea is coming to my mind is to have the Palm in front of the TV, receiving the codes from a wiimote via BT, and sending IR commands to the TV Apr 19 15:49:06 this would allow to use the wiimte as an universal IR remote Apr 19 15:49:23 and you dont need to point it to the tv :-) Apr 19 15:49:39 W00T, 7 tries later and I have a wikipedia account >.< Apr 19 15:50:06 qwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/local.img Input/output error Apr 19 15:50:14 qwerty12: dd: writting /media/mmc2/swap.img Input/output error Apr 19 15:50:35 qwerty12: tar removing leading '/' from member names Apr 19 15:50:40 gzip: short write Apr 19 15:50:41 komputiko, that means that your card is corrupting. happens to me all the time. Are you using kernel for faster mmc speed? Apr 19 15:50:49 mmm nop Apr 19 15:50:51 original kernel Apr 19 15:50:53 from nokia Apr 19 15:51:07 i flashed 2 hours ago Apr 19 15:51:45 Hmm, that's odd then. Do you have another card you can try it on? Apr 19 15:51:56 yes, and i get the same! Apr 19 15:54:36 maemo mapper has some problems adding about 35,000 POIs Apr 19 15:54:55 komputiko, do you have linux on computer? Apr 19 15:55:04 yes Apr 19 15:55:39 Mount the mmc card by usb and in a terminal, cd to the mount point. Run this and see what it says- dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=2621440 Apr 19 15:56:12 if it works, tell me and give me 2-5 mins. Apr 19 15:56:57 ok Apr 19 15:56:58 wait Apr 19 15:57:05 because i remove the local.img file Apr 19 15:57:10 i'll create it again Apr 19 15:57:13 you don't need it :) Apr 19 15:57:17 ah ok Apr 19 15:57:18 that dd command will recreate it Apr 19 15:58:02 Man, I hope I haven't damaged my N800 because I've been messing around with the memory cards a lot. Here's to hoping it's just a crap 1gb I have. Apr 19 15:58:38 hum Apr 19 15:58:56 i don't know if i play with the sd cards a lot... Apr 19 15:58:59 maybe Apr 19 15:59:03 :( Apr 19 16:00:11 what's the use of "dd"? Apr 19 16:00:12 hi all Apr 19 16:00:25 does anyne of you use Pluthon plugin for Eclipse? Apr 19 16:00:29 komputiko, it makes the local.img which KDE will be stored in Apr 19 16:00:37 ah ok Apr 19 16:00:48 but 2621440 is the length? Apr 19 16:00:58 because now i am using a 2gb card Apr 19 16:01:06 does anyone know how I can change the color/image of the POIs of one category ? Apr 19 16:01:12 Yep, taken from the local file itself. Apr 19 16:01:34 then i think the file is so big Apr 19 16:04:28 1gb... Apr 19 16:06:38 qwerty12: edu@edu-portatil:/media/disk-2$ dd if=/dev/zero of=local.img bs=512 count=2621440 2621440+0 registros de entrada 2621440+0 registros de salida 1342177280 bytes (1,3 GB) copiados, 534,201 s, 2,5 MB/s Apr 19 16:06:41 it's done Apr 19 16:06:48 It worked fine? Apr 19 16:06:51 yes Apr 19 16:07:01 now i think i must do the same with swap.img Apr 19 16:07:10 ok, wait a sec Apr 19 16:07:13 ok Apr 19 16:07:28 dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=262144 Apr 19 16:07:41 oh yeah, are you using mmc1 or mmc2? Apr 19 16:07:47 mmc2 Apr 19 16:07:48 internal Apr 19 16:07:54 Ok, I'll edit the mmc2 file. Apr 19 16:08:02 ok Apr 19 16:08:04 then: dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.img bs=512 count=262144 Apr 19 16:08:27 Make the swap.img first before my edited mmc2 Apr 19 16:08:37 ok Apr 19 16:09:24 ooook Apr 19 16:09:27 it's done Apr 19 16:09:38 262144+0 registros de entrada 262144+0 registros de salida 134217728 bytes (134 MB) copiados, 39,815 s, 3,4 MB/s Apr 19 16:09:44 You have both swap.img and local.img in root of mmc? Apr 19 16:09:49 yes Apr 19 16:10:02 Ok, wait a sec Apr 19 16:10:07 ok Apr 19 16:11:17 qwerty12: did you ever get the module loaded? Apr 19 16:11:33 pupnik, yes, dmesg showed fine output. I used the provided script Apr 19 16:12:01 oh i didn't see the script Apr 19 16:12:03 insmod: cannot insert 'r8187.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory Apr 19 16:12:38 What? I compiled it against standard kernel source but I'm running custom kernel on my N800 Apr 19 16:12:42 Damn Apr 19 16:12:53 what does dmesg say? Apr 19 16:12:59 hmm i see wlan0up Apr 19 16:13:41 ok wlan0up does load modules Apr 19 16:14:04 dmesg should say the rtl module is loaded, if you want to check. Apr 19 16:14:10 komputiko, http://www.mediafire.com/?giy94vbnp0y Apr 19 16:14:16 yeah works! Apr 19 16:14:24 komputiko, Use this local-mmc2 deb Apr 19 16:14:29 pupnik, Great :) Apr 19 16:14:31 ok Apr 19 16:14:39 im going Apr 19 16:14:40 just lots of errors, unknown symbols Apr 19 16:14:49 but it is loading Apr 19 16:15:03 just put it on the mmc and install, it is? Apr 19 16:15:08 pupnik, does dmesg say anything about case_copy? Apr 19 16:15:13 komputiko, yes Apr 19 16:15:23 no Apr 19 16:15:59 That's odd then, thats the only extra symbol I have in this kernel I have. Apr 19 16:16:49 But those modules were compiled against the standard nokia provided kernel. Only difference is that I'm running a custom kernel on my N800. Apr 19 16:17:16 i have a slightly different kernel too :/ Apr 19 16:17:19 oprofile krnl Apr 19 16:18:09 Not sure on it then, is the source available for one? (I'm a kernel n00b :P), I could compile those modules against one of those then. Apr 19 16:18:36 qwerty12: impossible to install Apr 19 16:18:44 Why :(? Apr 19 16:18:51 it says... Apr 19 16:19:00 ah very nice the symbol errors are gone - most of them Apr 19 16:19:22 it says '/media/mmc2/loca.img is not a special blocks device' Apr 19 16:19:54 Not sure then. Apr 19 16:20:11 it says '/media/mmc2/local.img is not a block special device' Apr 19 16:20:15 i write you bad Apr 19 16:20:24 arf :( Apr 19 16:20:29 http://pastebin.ca/989671 do you get this qwerty12 ? Apr 19 16:21:20 pupnik, no Apr 19 16:21:26 errors encountered while processing: local-mmc2 Apr 19 16:21:40 komputiko, I'm not sure then, sorry. Apr 19 16:21:45 subprocess post-installation script retuned error exit status 1 Apr 19 16:21:46 ok Apr 19 16:21:49 ty anyway Apr 19 16:21:51 :-\ Apr 19 16:22:03 pupnik, wait a second. I'll post my dmesg output. Apr 19 16:22:50 qwerty12: i need to install it as root? Apr 19 16:23:15 komputiko, application manager installs stuff as root anyway. Apr 19 16:23:37 ah Apr 19 16:23:40 ok then Apr 19 16:23:49 kde 10, komputiko 0 Apr 19 16:23:52 :( Apr 19 16:23:54 Wher can i find some documentat on the 2008 directory structure Apr 19 16:24:33 POSIX Apr 19 16:24:59 I open up the gui file manager and see folders like 'audio clips' Apr 19 16:25:13 Where is that really? Apr 19 16:25:32 /home/user/MyDocs/.documents etc Apr 19 16:25:45 Ahhh.. Hiden folder Apr 19 16:25:56 Thanks Apr 19 16:27:11 pupnik, http://pastebin.ca/989680 - my output. I assume you have linux (due to all your ports :P), run the flasher command to boot a kernel (not flash) and see what your output is then. Apr 19 16:27:53 ^ boot a standard kernel Apr 19 16:28:12 yup ok Apr 19 16:28:29 does the tgz have your tweaks? Apr 19 16:28:41 i assume you changed order of the declaractions to make it C90 compatible? Apr 19 16:28:47 *source tweaks Apr 19 16:28:56 I just applied a patch which made it .24 compatible and it compiled. Apr 19 16:29:09 ok Apr 19 16:29:17 I've left the patches in there (one of them didn't apply) Apr 19 16:30:00 In sbox armel target. symlink /lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/ to your kernel source. Apr 19 16:30:21 I also modified the make file to remove the EHDC dependency. Apr 19 16:30:54 s/lib/modules/`2.6.22-14-generic`/build/lib/modules/`uname -r`/build Apr 19 16:31:12 http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=r8187 - the page with the original source and the patch. Apr 19 16:33:25 good deal... excited for next week :) Apr 19 16:33:58 pupnik, Hehe, is that when it's arriving? :). I'm not, I'm back in school and I haven't done any of the load of homework I got :p Apr 19 16:36:15 on the pc, the alfa with the 9db antenna identified several networks i've never seen before Apr 19 16:37:02 Wow, if it works, I'd be interested in getting one to hackzor my school's crappy wep network. Then I can go on mytube in class. Apr 19 16:38:14 it should be noted that the tx power of the card needs to be lowered with that antenna to stay within legal limits Apr 19 16:38:34 in .de Apr 19 16:39:56 Brilliant, if it has illegal tendencies, that's perfect for me :P. I'll buy one to replace this propriarty (spelling) TI crap wifi card I have. BSOD's my windows and kernelpanics my Linux (ndiswrapper :() Apr 19 16:43:16 test Apr 19 16:43:27 qwerty12: i found the solution! Apr 19 16:43:34 Oh my god this works. Apr 19 16:43:52 webirc on your tablet? Apr 19 16:44:57 komputiko, Great! Apr 19 16:46:11 the problem is that only runs with english as language Apr 19 16:46:21 but now i can't install kde-3.5.8.deb Apr 19 16:46:39 komputiko, what is your error? Apr 19 16:47:00 the log only shows repository errors... mmmm Apr 19 16:47:01 wait Apr 19 16:47:08 i'll try again Apr 19 16:48:45 qwerty12: bzip2:I/O or other error, bailing out. Posible reason follows Apr 19 16:48:53 bzip2: Input/outup error Apr 19 16:49:12 Input file=(stdin) , output file=(stdout) Apr 19 16:49:24 it goes back to the card issue then or something. i/o errors are read / write errors etc Apr 19 16:49:40 '/usr/bin/tar: Unexpeted EOF in archive' Apr 19 16:50:42 uhum Apr 19 16:57:40 man, i hate it when i make the mistake of trying to remove scratchbox by rm -rf Apr 19 16:57:43 *doh* Apr 19 16:57:55 I find the videos on youtube are quite jerky on my tablet Apr 19 16:58:18 is it the same on yours ? Apr 19 16:58:58 if you view them directly on youtube.com, sure Apr 19 16:59:26 i usually just use the youtube plugin in canola which is infinitely better Apr 19 17:00:13 what is canola ? Apr 19 17:00:26 <.< Apr 19 17:00:49 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/ Apr 19 17:02:55 gribouille you can also download them with the script youtube-dl, and view them with mplayer Apr 19 17:03:13 jldiaz, mytube does that in a nice interface :) Apr 19 17:03:19 jldiaz, how can I get the script ? Apr 19 17:03:36 qwerty12, you are right :-) Apr 19 17:03:56 however, I use the script in my linux box, and then transfer the .swf to my NIT Apr 19 17:10:50 what does mytube do ? Apr 19 17:15:24 it uses youtube-dl and mplayer, through a nice gui Apr 19 17:15:44 it allows for searches and downloads from youtube Apr 19 17:15:58 and then uses mplayer to see the videos Apr 19 17:19:28 all I get with canola is "Unable to reslvr url" Apr 19 17:19:38 but my connection is working Apr 19 17:58:57 anyone knows why i get an input/output error with my SD cards Apr 19 17:58:59 -0 Apr 19 17:59:01 ? Apr 19 18:00:43 Corrupted fs? Apr 19 18:03:05 i dont know Apr 19 18:03:06 i formated it many times Apr 19 18:03:10 and i tried other one Apr 19 18:03:13 and gets the same Apr 19 18:03:34 the error hangs when trying to install kde Apr 19 18:05:42 read/write mode? Apr 19 18:06:18 reading dmesg i think that's the problem Apr 19 18:06:31 but i don't active the read only mode Apr 19 18:06:57 mmcb1k0: error 1 sending read/write command Apr 19 18:07:24 any ideas? Apr 19 18:07:27 ok can u open xterm and try write something on that card? Apr 19 18:07:42 something like create a file? Apr 19 18:07:42 u trying install kde as root or user? Apr 19 18:07:55 ype, try touch dupa Apr 19 18:07:58 ;) Apr 19 18:08:05 yes, i tam trying to install kde... Apr 19 18:08:11 i will try as root >_< Apr 19 18:09:55 hrw ????? still gone????? Apr 19 18:14:07 term-sig: now i cant remove the kde-mm2 package Apr 19 18:14:14 :-\ Apr 19 18:14:37 i tried find /var -name kde-mmc2* | xargs rm -rf Apr 19 18:14:42 but nothing Apr 19 18:15:24 any ideas¿ Apr 19 18:15:42 u use apt-get or what to download package? Apr 19 18:16:00 used. Apr 19 18:16:01 i download it by a page Apr 19 18:16:18 and i tried to unistall it under the app manager Apr 19 18:17:07 i am trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde Apr 19 18:17:23 but it fails when install the kde-mmc2 package Apr 19 18:17:32 and know, i can't unistall o reinstall it Apr 19 18:17:33 re Apr 19 18:20:33 komputiko: try apt-get upgrade and check that u dont have any problems.. Apr 19 18:20:45 ok Apr 19 18:21:33 the python package has been stripped off of all its files. where are they ? Apr 19 18:22:56 ok term-sig, he comes the bzip2: Input/Output error Apr 19 18:23:17 usr/bin/tar: unexècted EOF in archive Apr 19 18:23:22 :( Apr 19 18:26:23 komputiko: can u try tar zxvf that kde.tgz file ? Apr 19 18:26:36 maybe file is corrupted Apr 19 18:26:41 mmm Apr 19 18:26:53 i check the size of the file Apr 19 18:27:09 but i havent got the md5sum Apr 19 18:27:57 anyone have this file? KDE358.tar.bz2 Apr 19 18:29:17 komputiko: just try untar it on card.. Apr 19 18:29:25 yes term-sig Apr 19 18:29:26 but Apr 19 18:29:31 Does anybody know if Maemo OS2008 might be upgraded with glib 2.14 or 2.16 soon? Apr 19 18:29:32 its about 300 mb Apr 19 18:29:36 i have not enough space xD Apr 19 18:29:45 i can try to decompress it on my laptop Apr 19 18:29:46 wait Apr 19 18:30:52 hmm Apr 19 18:31:02 I gave my n800 to my gf because I wasn't using it much Apr 19 18:31:08 so, she gave me her old n770 to me Apr 19 18:31:11 what to do with it? Apr 19 18:31:24 install kde, like me Apr 19 18:31:26 if you can Apr 19 18:31:30 xD Apr 19 18:31:31 heh Apr 19 18:31:33 Pretty much the same thing you'd do with the N800 Apr 19 18:31:36 Except slower. Apr 19 18:31:44 I'm trying to figure out some use for it, maybe an alarm clock or something Apr 19 18:31:57 It's probably the greatest ebook reader on the planet. Apr 19 18:32:39 I've got my iTouch for that :P Apr 19 18:32:57 iTouch is a pretty mediocre ebook reader. Apr 19 18:32:59 Doesn't have the dpi. Apr 19 18:33:01 term-sig: the file is well extracted Apr 19 18:33:11 :( Apr 19 18:33:17 yeah, but I don't do a lot of ebook reading Apr 19 18:33:59 komputiko: can u try use dpkg instead application manager? Apr 19 18:33:59 Media remote? Couch browser? GPS? Apr 19 18:34:13 yeah, i tried it, with the same result Apr 19 18:34:56 it's only one thing, they should sell it with some small edge/hdspa modem. Apr 19 18:35:23 komputiko: dunno what it can be wrong.. Apr 19 18:35:33 :( Apr 19 18:35:36 ok, ty anyway Apr 19 18:35:36 mm, media remote might be good Apr 19 18:36:19 komputiko: try download any other deb and install it in this same way.. Apr 19 18:37:25 i tried that many times :( Apr 19 18:37:36 re Apr 19 18:37:37 i think that something is brong on my n800 Apr 19 18:37:57 *wront Apr 19 18:38:00 *wrong Apr 19 18:38:25 then backup al info and reflash system. Apr 19 18:38:38 i had similar problem with kismet Apr 19 18:38:53 hehe yes, i flashed 4 times today Apr 19 18:39:08 and it's still this same problem ? Apr 19 18:39:15 yes, the same Apr 19 18:39:20 input output error Apr 19 18:39:36 n810 or n800 ? Apr 19 18:39:38 has anyone already done X forwarding from another computer ? I tried ssh -X, but with no result Apr 19 18:39:42 n80 Apr 19 18:39:44 n800 Apr 19 18:40:02 u try with diff card? maybe u card it's fucked? Apr 19 18:40:13 with 2 cards Apr 19 18:40:18 Does anyone know where is this function: "hildon_g_scanner_cache_open" Apr 19 18:41:07 try diff ones, because for me it's looks like problems with cards. Apr 19 18:41:17 ok, time for beer ;) Apr 19 18:41:25 hehe Apr 19 18:41:25 ty term-sig Apr 19 18:42:03 Oh, that's sweet. Apr 19 18:42:11 Anybody see the USB VGA adaptor post on maemo-users? Apr 19 18:42:34 Yeah, gcobb's looking for a hand Apr 19 18:43:02 That would make for a seriously badass presentation device. Apr 19 18:48:33 anyone knows if there is a way to decompres a file.tar.bz2 into a .img Apr 19 18:48:54 yes Apr 19 18:49:02 mmm how? Apr 19 18:49:30 the fact is if i try to do it on my n800 i get's allways a i/o error 2 at minutes Apr 19 18:49:32 1/ make .img, 2/ create fs on it, 3/ mount it via loopback, 4/ uncompress archive to it Apr 19 18:49:40 so Apr 19 18:49:47 i can do that on my laptop? Apr 19 18:49:49 yes Apr 19 18:49:54 and then pass the img Apr 19 18:49:55 ok Apr 19 18:50:03 just mount the card in laptop Apr 19 18:50:04 ty Apr 19 18:50:11 (via usb or other reader) Apr 19 18:50:17 yes Apr 19 18:50:21 and now? Apr 19 18:50:25 mount... Apr 19 18:52:45 how can i mount a .img? Apr 19 18:52:57 mount -o loop file.img somedir Apr 19 18:53:03 ok Apr 19 18:53:17 don't forget to umount it later Apr 19 18:53:21 ok Apr 19 18:53:22 with umount -d Apr 19 18:53:24 ty Apr 19 18:54:48 arf arf Apr 19 18:54:49 and now Apr 19 18:54:56 how can i decompess a .tar.bz2 file? Apr 19 18:55:06 tar xvzf ? Apr 19 18:55:06 tar -xjvf Apr 19 18:55:07 tar xvjf Apr 19 18:55:11 no hyphen Apr 19 18:55:12 ok Apr 19 18:55:13 ty Apr 19 18:55:35 navi: gnutar allows hyphen Apr 19 18:55:37 see man page Apr 19 18:55:52 allows it, but really useless :P Apr 19 18:56:12 no, leaving hyphen out it probably against POSIX Apr 19 18:56:53 what if you had a file named xvjf ? Apr 19 18:57:19 It's an extra character to type with no gains except for very specific and unlikely situations Apr 19 18:57:33 you have never tried writing a program then Apr 19 18:57:35 :) Apr 19 18:57:54 and no, it's not very specific situation Apr 19 18:58:02 mmm i get file not found Apr 19 18:58:13 but i mounted ok the .img Apr 19 18:58:14 I'm not talking from the development side, I'm talking from the user extraction side Apr 19 18:58:20 because i am seeing the content Apr 19 18:58:27 navi: users are idiots, usually Apr 19 18:58:38 I'm haven't said it shouldn't be included, just that it's unneeded most of the time Apr 19 18:58:42 programmers sometimes too Apr 19 18:58:42 :) Apr 19 18:58:42 thanks for that Apr 19 18:58:44 xD Apr 19 18:59:04 navi: it's inconsistent Apr 19 19:02:13 firefox 2.0.0.14 Apr 19 19:02:14 :) Apr 19 19:03:59 anyones have the kde.tar.bz2 file? and can tell me the md5sum :P Apr 19 19:10:45 how can i see the source of a .deb? Apr 19 19:10:49 or i can't Apr 19 19:10:56 oh i think i cant xD Apr 19 19:10:58 apt-get source file.deb Apr 19 19:11:04 ah okkkk Apr 19 19:11:07 but Apr 19 19:11:15 i don't get it with aptget Apr 19 19:11:20 i downloaded it Apr 19 19:11:22 :) Apr 19 19:12:00 i downloaded it of a website Apr 19 19:12:03 the .deb Apr 19 19:12:06 ._. Apr 19 19:12:15 then look for the sources on that site Apr 19 19:12:19 or just on debian.org Apr 19 19:12:19 :) Apr 19 19:12:22 the fact is Apr 19 19:12:32 it is kde-3.5.8.deb xD! Apr 19 19:12:45 you don't want to see the source of that.. Apr 19 19:12:47 :) Apr 19 19:12:51 yes Apr 19 19:12:52 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=f49d00f131ff278955b9422fb763305d&t=14680&highlight=kde Apr 19 19:12:54 because Apr 19 19:13:05 it's big Apr 19 19:13:07 :) Apr 19 19:13:13 nono, but is not kde Apr 19 19:13:30 its the .deb that copy kde.tar.bz2 into a local.img Apr 19 19:13:33 but i like to see Apr 19 19:13:42 ar x kde-3.5.8.deb Apr 19 19:13:44 if that .deb makes something more Apr 19 19:13:58 ar x? Apr 19 19:14:07 archive extract Apr 19 19:14:12 ah Apr 19 19:14:13 ok Apr 19 19:14:15 ty then Apr 19 19:14:17 ;) Apr 19 19:14:23 hi pupnik Apr 19 19:14:28 ar is a command Apr 19 19:14:28 hi Apr 19 19:14:39 pirrrate command Apr 19 19:14:41 ar arr Apr 19 19:14:48 >_< Apr 19 19:14:48 haha Apr 19 19:20:57 i dont get any result with ar x kde.deb Apr 19 19:21:31 :-\ Apr 19 19:21:35 any idea? Apr 19 19:21:46 ls -l Apr 19 19:21:47 :) Apr 19 19:21:52 yes xD Apr 19 19:21:57 i am at the correct directory Apr 19 19:22:05 it won't show any output Apr 19 19:22:10 it simply unpacks the .deb Apr 19 19:22:17 ahhh ok Apr 19 19:22:39 :P Apr 19 19:22:49 man, the icanhascheezburger.com dudes were able to quit their day job Apr 19 19:23:01 lol Apr 19 19:23:19 link? Apr 19 19:23:38 dunno, just read an article about it in the paper a few months back Apr 19 19:23:54 lol@random thoughts Apr 19 19:29:23 ok, kde wins, it's impossible for me Apr 19 19:29:25 install it Apr 19 19:29:27 >_< Apr 19 19:29:32 :) Apr 19 19:30:21 maybe your card just don't like fast writes Apr 19 19:30:32 yes, i think that Apr 19 19:30:39 but i tried with a class 6 card Apr 19 19:30:43 i assume both are the same brand? Apr 19 19:30:44 and same problem Apr 19 19:31:03 yes Apr 19 19:31:05 ;) Apr 19 19:31:16 but i think i am not a lucky men Apr 19 19:31:22 *man Apr 19 19:32:08 you can try custom kernel Apr 19 19:32:24 what i'll get? Apr 19 19:32:34 maybe faster speeds Apr 19 19:32:46 maybe fewer/more problems Apr 19 19:32:56 where can i found it? :P Apr 19 19:33:04 ask qwerty12 Apr 19 19:33:12 ok Apr 19 19:33:16 he is the kamikaze modder here Apr 19 19:33:17 :) Apr 19 19:33:22 jjajaja Apr 19 19:33:25 yes i know Apr 19 19:37:23 http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/27/funny-pictures-from-yonder-window-breaks/ heh, 'shakespeare ape' Apr 19 19:37:42 tis the east, and Juliet is the sun! Apr 19 19:43:19 Ha Apr 19 19:43:52 KotCzarny http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=998230 Apr 19 19:44:35 it's fur is not black Apr 19 19:45:26 nice green eyes though Apr 19 19:46:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_accidents_and_incidents#Near-fatalities Apr 19 19:46:47 :) Apr 19 19:57:14 Kot: How about this one: http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/gal/begemot3.jpg ? Apr 19 19:57:47 better, but i prefer this one: http://localhost/KotCzarny.jpg Apr 19 19:57:49 erm Apr 19 19:57:58 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/KotCzarny.jpg Apr 19 19:57:59 :) Apr 19 19:58:43 looks severely underfed Apr 19 19:58:55 just an illusion Apr 19 20:05:10 |> Limbo - Tetrium (Psytisfaction 2) Apr 19 20:18:31 hah wow Apr 19 20:24:43 hum Apr 19 20:25:27 * lcuk broked his network Apr 19 20:25:38 you're still there Apr 19 20:25:39 :) Apr 19 20:25:54 this machine is, but nothing inside my lan or vmware is Apr 19 20:26:04 heh Apr 19 20:26:24 tear everything down, and restart from scratch :) Apr 19 20:26:39 ok, now when installing kde again, i get a crash: rm:cannot remove /etc/nss_mdns.conf: no such file or directory Apr 19 20:26:41 or just install some router :) Apr 19 20:26:45 :( Apr 19 20:26:48 any idea? Apr 19 20:27:10 nope Apr 19 20:27:12 komputiko, you dont need to remove a single file if its not there :D Apr 19 20:27:26 yes, that is what i think Apr 19 20:27:30 but Apr 19 20:27:32 and script was written without error handling :) Apr 19 20:27:34 is this an install script? Apr 19 20:27:36 i can't install kde !_! Apr 19 20:27:41 it's a .deb Apr 19 20:27:54 someone should prepare kde image of the running os Apr 19 20:27:57 :) Apr 19 20:28:01 * lcuk shouldnt really be typing now, ive had a massive migraine all day Apr 19 20:28:02 yes, i think so Apr 19 20:28:16 * KotCzarny had a migraine but it's ok now Apr 19 20:28:30 * lcuk made purple sick :S Apr 19 20:28:42 purple? Apr 19 20:28:45 vimto Apr 19 20:28:55 vimto? Apr 19 20:28:56 O.o Apr 19 20:29:04 * KotCzarny apparently lost his verbal skills Apr 19 20:29:38 whatever wanted out of me was apparantly below what i drunk before bed :S Apr 19 20:29:52 * lcuk unwinds his dietary stack Apr 19 20:30:01 :) Apr 19 20:30:23 at least you're not doing a dietary stack swap Apr 19 20:30:27 anyone that succesfully installed kde on a n800, please help me!!! Apr 19 20:30:30 if this damned network hadnt broked i could have done some testing of the turbo thing Apr 19 20:30:46 lcuk: what's the problem ? Apr 19 20:30:59 komputiko, i dont think many have done, may be best looking on ITT and see whaty people posted there Apr 19 20:31:13 yes, i search for hours Apr 19 20:31:15 and nothing Apr 19 20:31:17 :-\ Apr 19 20:31:24 something that appears simple Apr 19 20:31:30 is impossible on my n800 Apr 19 20:31:35 nothing, i just incorporated app_turbo_...() functions and stuff before realising that the changes i made earlier to the network meant i couldnt test anything Apr 19 20:31:40 and then just went to bed Apr 19 20:32:14 i was asking about network Apr 19 20:32:15 :) Apr 19 20:32:30 komputiko: could you ar x the .deb file that seems broken? Apr 19 20:33:08 not, is perfect Apr 19 20:33:11 i test it Apr 19 20:33:27 i do that before Apr 19 20:33:28 i changed ad-hoc network from unsecured to using wep. nothing else changed, all fixed ips should remain valid and dns etc all pointing at this machine but i just cant see the tablet any more on the net Apr 19 20:33:37 810 should respond to ping shouldnt it? Apr 19 20:33:41 yes Apr 19 20:33:42 yes Apr 19 20:33:47 thought so, its just gone Apr 19 20:33:56 but tablet can ping others? Apr 19 20:34:12 tablet can ping this machine 10.0.0.1 but nothing else Apr 19 20:34:21 komputiko: i don't have kde on tablet, and i don't understand what is not working for you Apr 19 20:34:26 my mistake - it can get dns and outside world stuff Apr 19 20:34:27 0.1 is the router or pc? Apr 19 20:34:38 this pc, there is no router up here Apr 19 20:34:44 input/output errors! Apr 19 20:34:49 from my sd card Apr 19 20:35:28 that's possible. there is also a file download corruption bug in older kernels Apr 19 20:35:49 i flashed with the newest os 2008 kernel Apr 19 20:36:00 lcuk: can't think of anything Apr 19 20:36:15 try hostap ? Apr 19 20:36:20 ill start from scratch again - i seem to recall having similar issues at the start Apr 19 20:37:08 just get wrt54g :> Apr 19 20:37:28 on a side note, ive managed to get the laptop fan working and tested a few things, battery lasts 2 hours unplugged and wifi does work :) Apr 19 20:37:44 (but keep away from a version with less than 4mb of flash) Apr 19 20:37:45 :) Apr 19 20:37:55 2h? huhu Apr 19 20:38:26 2hours for a 4 year old laptop is quite reasonable Apr 19 20:38:31 ah, yes Apr 19 20:38:45 i have thought it was new :) Apr 19 20:38:45 its enough to be usable Apr 19 20:39:16 my missus gave me the "if i spend hundreds of pounds on shoes you would freak" lecture and i found an alternative to buying a new laptop.. Apr 19 20:39:24 :> Apr 19 20:39:59 besides, im glad i did - the day after i decided against getting an eee the new ones were released Apr 19 20:40:08 announced^ Apr 19 20:40:09 yes, old thinkpads go pretty cheap off-lease Apr 19 20:40:09 old laptops are fine for me too Apr 19 20:40:40 there's nothing like a nice shiny new laptop straight out of the packaging though, imo Apr 19 20:40:48 heh Apr 19 20:40:54 this one is for me - its got a pair of horizontal dead pixel lines, but im not gonna dive inside and check the wiring Apr 19 20:41:14 paying 100%-200% more for a carton package and a piece of plastic foil isn't wise Apr 19 20:41:15 what model? Apr 19 20:41:15 i think Apr 19 20:41:17 MangoFusion, i would gladly take a new laptop, ill PM you my address Apr 19 20:41:41 http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/Toshiba_Satellite_Pro6100_dismantle_1.htm Apr 19 20:41:46 toshiba sat pro 6100 Apr 19 20:42:04 and just look at the disassembly, it would make obi-wan-laptopi scared Apr 19 20:42:09 at least it has trackpoint Apr 19 20:42:10 :) Apr 19 20:42:15 no it doesnt Apr 19 20:42:26 from pics it has Apr 19 20:42:33 http://www.irisvista.com/tech/laptops/Toshiba6100/disassembly/big/Toshiba-Satellite-6100-dismantle-07.jpg Apr 19 20:42:37 twist the screen around Apr 19 20:42:39 add a touch pad Apr 19 20:42:41 and hey presto Apr 19 20:42:43 yes technically it has a nobble, but its as useful as a chocolate fireguard Apr 19 20:42:44 the n900 Apr 19 20:42:53 ah, no driver? Apr 19 20:43:15 hmm, doubt it, the buttons work Apr 19 20:43:19 but the nipple is dead Apr 19 20:43:26 hmm Apr 19 20:43:32 i believe it should work Apr 19 20:43:35 its not a big deal i hate them anyway Apr 19 20:43:43 yer it worked on the other one i tested Apr 19 20:43:51 unless it's dead on the hw level Apr 19 20:43:59 but i took the one which it wouldnt matter if i reformatted it or broke it Apr 19 20:44:07 there were 2 identical ones Apr 19 20:44:09 :) Apr 19 20:44:18 i like trackpoints Apr 19 20:44:27 the don't distract my typing Apr 19 20:44:34 if i need to move a window etc. Apr 19 20:44:47 im not bothered - i just need something so when im in germany if something crops up i can code on the go Apr 19 20:45:35 don't forget to remove 'designed for windows' stickers Apr 19 20:45:37 :) Apr 19 20:45:38 i would prefer to get proper full gcc working but i doubt in the time im there i can get reliable dev work done in time Apr 19 20:45:56 look on the guide i posted, there are about 700 stickers underneath Apr 19 20:45:58 lcuk: just give me root access Apr 19 20:46:09 :) Apr 19 20:46:11 to what? the 810 or the lap Apr 19 20:46:23 to the place where you need gcc Apr 19 20:47:37 I wonder, has there already been someone who attempted to "port" the tango icon set to chinook? Apr 19 20:47:40 Can anybody get latest glib and gtk integrated into maemo? with hildon patches? Apr 19 20:47:51 or is there anyway to find hildon patches for latest glib or gtk? Apr 19 20:48:30 right, gonna try and get networking running Apr 19 20:48:52 back later chaps :) Apr 19 20:48:57 go go Apr 19 20:48:58 :) Apr 19 21:05:17 I downloaded the maemo mapper maps manually. I recall some files had to be renamed, but now I can't find the site that had the instructions Apr 19 21:06:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB9SRm2c_LA Apr 19 21:06:12 :> Apr 19 21:08:45 unixSnob, why manually? Apr 19 21:08:53 2.x has them in a database Apr 19 21:09:03 So you can't really download maps without using Maemo Mapper. Apr 19 21:09:48 not true Apr 19 21:09:58 there is mapdownloader i think Apr 19 21:10:02 whatever it does Apr 19 21:10:03 :) Apr 19 21:10:04 Maemo mapper is fragile.. if a connection goes bad, the whole partial download must start over Apr 19 21:10:39 So I found a blog a few days ago pointing out where I could download them from manually.. wget is robust.. handled it well over a poor connection Apr 19 21:10:58 but I can't find that blog again Apr 19 21:11:18 I say again, it wont work with 2.x Apr 19 21:11:39 2.x should continue from wherever it left off, anyway. Apr 19 21:12:40 well it starts over for some reason Apr 19 21:12:53 anyway, i gotta run.. i'll mess w/ it later Apr 19 21:18:21 http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/04/19/1149219.shtml Apr 19 21:18:22 hehe Apr 19 21:19:36 beating on a dead horse. Apr 19 21:21:59 personal menu is so nice. Apr 19 21:22:08 so is the new adv-backlight. Apr 19 21:22:14 new? Apr 19 21:22:18 what's new? Apr 19 21:22:23 newer Apr 19 21:22:28 with volume control Apr 19 21:22:44 it had it already Apr 19 21:22:50 I was using an old old version ;) Apr 19 21:22:57 :) Apr 19 21:22:59 ok Apr 19 21:23:40 personal menu would benefit from a shorter opening time Apr 19 21:23:53 takes about 2 seconds here Apr 19 21:23:58 does it? Apr 19 21:23:59 O.o Apr 19 21:24:03 mine opens quite fast Apr 19 21:24:09 maybe a bit less? Apr 19 21:24:12 Seriously old version, fysa. Apr 19 21:24:27 GeneralAntilles, haha, yeah, it didn't even have a border around the backlight control ;) Apr 19 21:24:33 It probably depends on the number of items Apr 19 21:24:33 hmm Apr 19 21:24:50 personal menu speed for me is the same as regular menu and web menu Apr 19 21:25:00 ~15 icons in mine Apr 19 21:25:00 it does take 1-2 seconds for me Apr 19 21:25:17 but I have 30+ icons Apr 19 21:25:20 regular menu pops up preetty quickly Apr 19 21:25:26 almost instant in comparison Apr 19 21:25:40 icons count can explain Apr 19 21:25:42 :) Apr 19 21:26:02 ok, shopping time, bbl Apr 19 21:26:12 regular menu probably caches everything and personal menu loads icons on demand? Apr 19 21:26:39 fysa: Regular menu does never allow so many icons Apr 19 21:27:11 All right, time to hit the bed. Apr 19 21:27:15 yeah, but if you reduce personal menu to the count of the regular menu, it still is much slower. not that I am complaining. :) Apr 19 21:27:34 fewer touches and not having to re-organize after an update is good enough for me Apr 19 21:32:19 do we have notify-send? Apr 19 21:32:27 I see it in sardine. Apr 19 21:42:14 is there a way to format the n770 removable memory card? Apr 19 21:42:44 ah, foun dit Apr 19 22:04:04 good evening Apr 19 22:04:55 where to buy n810wimax? Apr 19 22:08:13 It's not out yet, sorry Apr 19 22:30:19 have notify-send working. just need to figure out how xchat is using it, and why it's not working. Apr 19 22:32:05 maemo Apr 19 22:32:20 omeam Apr 19 22:32:29 mameo Apr 19 22:32:37 why Apr 19 22:32:39 anyone knows how install amarok on kde? Apr 19 22:32:47 Depends on your distro Apr 19 22:32:51 why Apr 19 22:33:13 Gah, now I'm wishing I had an N810 Apr 19 22:33:21 maemo Apr 19 22:33:22 that keyboard would be useful with dwm :/ Apr 19 22:33:30 on kde n800 version Apr 19 22:33:38 oh Apr 19 22:33:42 Has someone built it? Apr 19 22:33:48 komputiko, so you got kde working then Apr 19 22:34:03 yeah!! Apr 19 22:34:04 :D Apr 19 22:34:11 That monster wouldn't work too well Apr 19 22:34:24 cool, was there a howto somewhere that you followed or just hacking about till it worked? Apr 19 22:34:25 maemo Apr 19 22:34:33 and what's the best media player then... Apr 19 22:34:36 i love amarok >_< Apr 19 22:34:52 bauglir, sorry you are in the wrong channel, you need to enter the #iphone channel and start posting things like that Apr 19 22:35:21 Am I not in maemo? Apr 19 22:35:35 no, this is the eee channel Apr 19 22:35:44 you're wrong Apr 19 22:36:02 ahhh well, at least you are talking properly now :) enjoy your stay Apr 19 22:36:59 anyone here know how to install kde on my iphone? Apr 19 22:37:16 :P Apr 19 22:37:20 yes, but it involves a screwdriver Apr 19 22:38:18 well thats my idea down the drain. don't have a screwdriver Apr 19 22:38:36 incase anyone cares: http://tablet.usizo.com/files/notify-send Apr 19 22:38:43 maemo Apr 19 22:38:50 command-line libnotify tool for generating popup notifications Apr 19 22:38:58 just copy to /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin/ Apr 19 22:39:08 can be useful in scripts.. Apr 19 22:39:52 mamo Apr 19 22:39:53 who does it notify though? Apr 19 22:39:55 maemo Apr 19 22:41:02 it generates a pop-up message. i.e., "You have new mail." Apr 19 22:41:26 cool, one of the top right hand side inactive ones? or an actual clickable "ok" message? Apr 19 22:41:38 maemo Apr 19 22:41:45 inactive ones -- they will go into the 'queue' of the lower-left application switcher icon Apr 19 22:41:49 mamo Apr 19 22:41:53 maemo Apr 19 22:41:56 bauglir, you spelt it wrong, try again Apr 19 22:42:00 you can specify an icon, timeout and a message Apr 19 22:42:04 and an urgency.. Apr 19 22:42:27 fysa, thats actually kinda cool :) Apr 19 22:42:54 I'm thinking of using passwordless ssh keys to have my desktop/server send remote notifications to the tablet Apr 19 22:42:59 i.e., "rsync backup complete" Apr 19 22:43:18 would you send them to wherever your tablet is? Apr 19 22:43:23 or just when connected at home Apr 19 22:43:28 this notify-send comes with libnotify, but for some reason it wasn't excluded. Apr 19 22:43:37 I would use dyndns. Apr 19 22:43:46 and a local router mapping to match.. Apr 19 22:43:56 well, that won't always work. Apr 19 22:44:02 so maybe just at home. Apr 19 22:44:14 would it make sense to have a deamon connection from the device to somewhere you control Apr 19 22:44:34 why Apr 19 22:44:50 maybe you could use ssh to connect to your home server and map a port in reverse, to allow the home server to access it back. ;) Apr 19 22:44:59 so then the notifications can be obtained whenever they occur Apr 19 22:45:00 incase you come up on WiFi behind someone's NAT ;) Apr 19 22:45:16 well thats the usual method for connection Apr 19 22:45:36 anyway, my main need for notify-send was so XChat could generate proper notifications Apr 19 22:46:06 so I can receive xchat messages while the app is minimized Apr 19 22:46:39 haven't quite gotten this to work properly yet though. I think the internal command-line that xchat uses is incompatible with the alpha/beta xchat deb we have now. Apr 19 22:46:40 cool, just have your client machine post something in the chan then and your xchat will hear it and respond Apr 19 22:46:42 i.e., some path is wrong. Apr 19 22:46:50 "fysa: your backup is done" Apr 19 22:46:55 yeah, that could work too actually. Apr 19 22:47:12 but xchat itself spawns notify-send Apr 19 22:47:28 the newer version may use libnotify directly.. Apr 19 22:47:38 there is also a libnotify module for python Apr 19 22:47:45 excellent Apr 19 22:48:59 time for me to head back into vmware. lots to do still. Apr 19 22:50:01 zeroconf maybe? Apr 19 22:50:18 yay rtcomm irc *does* work Apr 19 22:50:34 xchat is better. Apr 19 22:52:23 yes, i just saww your post saying so, and do use it :) But I had been bothered by the fact that I didn't realizee how to Apr 19 22:52:46 join channel w/ rtcomm till now :) Apr 19 22:52:56 xchat is excellent. xchat+bitlbee. :) Apr 19 22:59:33 antilles, you might know... it rtcomm intended to be official in diablo? Apr 19 22:59:59 Presumably Apr 19 23:00:23 It's not going anywhere in any case. Apr 19 23:00:24 cool, thanks Apr 19 23:02:12 Good evening my friends. Does anyone of you can help me about REST/SOAP ? Apr 19 23:03:19 when will the next version of the OS be released ? Apr 19 23:03:34 January 2013..... not! Apr 19 23:06:01 what are the languages supported by the maemo SDK ? Apr 19 23:06:25 i can not tell you mon ami. Apr 19 23:08:57 gribouille, "Q2 2008" Apr 19 23:09:17 General my friend: you are kidding! So quickly? Apr 19 23:09:35 GeneralAntilles, GeneralAntilles we are in Q2 2008, aren't we ? Apr 19 23:10:00 Diablo/maemo 4.1, cyberholic. Apr 19 23:10:12 We're more or less overdue compared to previous update cycles. Apr 19 23:10:17 Yes, gribouille. Apr 19 23:10:23 But just barely. Apr 19 23:10:26 So the name will change from chinook to Diablo ? Apr 19 23:10:35 IMHO, the OS lacks polish and coherence Apr 19 23:10:41 They're going back to the OS2006 naming scheme. Apr 19 23:10:57 One codename per update. Apr 19 23:11:27 how many people are working on the OS ? Apr 19 23:11:39 gribouille, not all that many. Apr 19 23:11:47 The maemo project is very lightly staffed. Apr 19 23:11:50 GeneralAntilles, do you contribute ? Apr 19 23:11:53 Gernall: are there any rumours about an included PIM? Apr 19 23:12:00 Only on the community side. Apr 19 23:12:12 cyberholic, PIM isn't part of the NIT plan. Apr 19 23:12:19 Use GPE or Pimlico Apr 19 23:12:21 They both work fine. Apr 19 23:13:27 or find/create your own and get it working well. YOU could become the head of PIM development for the maemo platform :) Apr 19 23:13:28 well, i have beenw orking nearly 3 days to find a way to sync the device contacts with Facebook, yahoo or google and finally i am getting more and more into plaxo.com ..... the only problem: i have never ever worked with REST. Now i get some data on my browser but do not know how to handle it :( Apr 19 23:13:50 Oh and: i am planning to realise a PIM for my n800 :) Apr 19 23:14:00 :) cyber Apr 19 23:14:19 work on what you believe in and see where it takes you Apr 19 23:14:34 cyberholic, do you think we need another one PIM ? Apr 19 23:14:39 lcuk my friend! Good evening!: have you seen my Mojocafe radio? Apr 19 23:15:03 grib: it is not about "another PIM" - it is about a pim that syncs with open standards so taht you do not need to enter the data on your device. Apr 19 23:15:06 i havent seen much on the mojo side, ive been working towards rapid fullscreen updating on the 810 Apr 19 23:15:32 and seeing what little modules i can build :) Apr 19 23:15:35 lcuk: i also had so much work that i could not add new mojos for days. Check the radio whenever you want to: http://www.mojocafe.net/radio Apr 19 23:15:59 lcuk: and tell me if you want me to add your personal radio station, and at what frequency you want it! Apr 19 23:16:03 that radio was cool :) Apr 19 23:16:31 i dont listen to radio at all on any device, but i am sure others do. does it continue running if you go to other mojos? Apr 19 23:16:46 thnx. The next version will have volume buttons. It made me go bezerk getting back from fullscreen to put volume down. Soooo not-userfruendly. Apr 19 23:17:33 lcuk: no, it is not a mojo. it is a single page. It looks like a oldschool-radio where you can change frequency. it is definitely NOT userfriendly :) Apr 19 23:18:06 put it in your mojos and make it non modal so people can enjoy tunes whilst they mojo around Apr 19 23:18:29 or at least have a popout so they can just switch pages ;) Apr 19 23:18:56 lcuk: yeah, good idea! but then i will have to add a "mute" button... wait... you just brought me to a nice idea! I can make an alarm clock that wakes you up with your prefered web-radio!.... let me write this down! Apr 19 23:19:23 is there a way to stop the blinking red-white icon in the status bar ? Apr 19 23:19:36 it is extremely irritating Apr 19 23:19:53 grib: just get it off the status bar from the applets stuff. Apr 19 23:20:11 how ? Apr 19 23:21:15 my device is not on at the moment. Go to home, applets or at the settings PANELS. sorry for beeing so short but i can not remember by heart at the moment. Apr 19 23:22:33 why Apr 19 23:22:54 ok. i have to go to bed now. See you later my friends. Apr 19 23:23:19 ok, I've deleted my account Apr 19 23:23:24 why Apr 19 23:23:37 unused Apr 19 23:24:09 why Apr 19 23:25:03 for example, something I find quite annoying, is the absence of "recently used applications" entry in the menu Apr 19 23:26:58 why Apr 19 23:27:23 all you will ever need to use is the web browser. who needs a silly recently used applications menu Apr 19 23:27:34 what is it, a workstation? Apr 19 23:27:38 ;) Apr 19 23:28:20 why Apr 19 23:28:27 Poor MangoFusion Apr 19 23:28:36 MangoFusion, there are a few more apps Apr 19 23:28:44 poor gribouille Apr 19 23:28:54 poor ken Apr 19 23:29:04 bauglir, very useful contribution Apr 19 23:29:19 do you admit you're poor? Apr 19 23:30:23 0_0 Apr 19 23:31:59 * KotCzarny is poor too Apr 19 23:34:27 * fysa is too poor for a slideout keyboard Apr 19 23:34:39 the class divide is ruthless. Apr 19 23:35:13 poor fysa Apr 19 23:35:36 why are you so poor, fysa? Apr 19 23:36:00 workers unite, lets overthrow the bourgeoisie! Apr 19 23:36:23 :) Apr 19 23:36:28 <- married Apr 19 23:36:35 just give us toys Apr 19 23:36:49 preferably free, unlocked and without spyware Apr 19 23:36:50 :) Apr 19 23:37:10 when you're married, no matter how much you make, you're always poor ;) Apr 19 23:37:15 ;) Apr 19 23:37:20 yeah, women Apr 19 23:39:01 There seems to be an alien pubic hair in my Gin. Apr 19 23:39:43 not enough gin then Apr 19 23:39:57 why is it so hard to move applets on the desktop ? Apr 19 23:40:10 Never seen it before in my life. Have you? Apr 19 23:40:18 * KotCzarny looks Apr 19 23:40:21 nope Apr 19 23:40:23 not mine Apr 19 23:42:35 Hard, gribouille? Apr 19 23:42:39 Just tap and drag. Apr 19 23:43:36 I can do it with the finger, but not with the stylus Apr 19 23:43:52 lol Apr 19 23:43:53 perv Apr 19 23:44:29 I don't want to tap to strongly on the screen Apr 19 23:44:54 don't worry, it can bear with strong taps Apr 19 23:46:14 it can also take a great deal of pressure slowly. my missus was leaning her elbow on the screen and resting hand on chin whilst she idly browser the web. she said the color drained from my face when i saw her Apr 19 23:46:43 ;) Apr 19 23:46:46 women Apr 19 23:46:59 but at least you know now Apr 19 23:47:32 i would rather never know. i think removing the hard cover from the 770 was a bad design choice Apr 19 23:47:51 i agree Apr 19 23:48:00 i just rest a book over my cradle now when im leaving it for a while Apr 19 23:48:05 my backpack is a harsh environment Apr 19 23:48:19 tshe lost the pouch i got with my 810 Apr 19 23:48:36 that was kinda ok but i was always nervous about leaving it in my pocket Apr 19 23:48:41 :) Apr 19 23:48:51 i believe you can buy/make a hardcover Apr 19 23:49:00 the one i had for my loox was hard inside so im just using that Apr 19 23:49:10 metal plate + 2 straps Apr 19 23:49:42 the loox one is fine, its got a clip and velcro opening etc - its just got the wrong name on the cover Apr 19 23:49:57 :) Apr 19 23:51:06 The hardcover is overrated. Apr 19 23:51:54 better than nothing Apr 19 23:52:50 kickstand > hardcover Apr 19 23:52:56 i pondered closing my cradle with the other half of the chess board (I had to get a small piece of wood from somewhere..) but then i realised if i slam down a heavy wooden cover and ive left the stylus there i could say bye bye to my tab Apr 19 23:53:29 :> Apr 19 23:53:35 (also going to be a problem with laptops and pens) Apr 19 23:55:35 oh it works. copy that notify-send to /usr/bin/ and xchat alerts will work. Apr 19 23:55:55 http://break.com/classic-clips/dont-let-this-girl-punch-you_1.html?ref=track10 Apr 19 23:55:56 0wned Apr 19 23:55:57 :> Apr 19 23:56:07 gah. tracker tag Apr 19 23:56:09 http://break.com/classic-clips/dont-let-this-girl-punch-you_1.html Apr 19 23:56:15 better without Apr 19 23:56:16 :) Apr 19 23:57:46 lol Apr 19 23:57:49 very helpful for IM via xchat Apr 19 23:57:49 terrible Apr 19 23:58:44 or channel highlight Apr 20 00:05:01 ;) Apr 20 00:15:45 probably funny for some: http://imagechan.net/img/5353/Black%20holes/ Apr 20 01:21:34 This is probably one of those stupid newbie questions, but I can't get alarmd's exec_name to Do What I Want. I also see no logs of errors. I was doing a test command of 'cp /dev/null /tmp/testfile', just to verify that it's working, and it doesn't seem to have any effect. Apr 20 01:24:18 Hmm. Looks as though there's no word-splitting, so the exec_name has to be the name of a command, no arguments. Is that right? Apr 20 01:34:28 hi Apr 20 01:37:18 Hello. Apr 20 01:38:25 hey seebs Apr 20 01:39:07 not sure if i am looking at the right place, ut i cant find any info on state of qt4 on maemo Apr 20 01:39:18 Hmm. No clue. Apr 20 01:39:50 what I really want is a freenx client here, and i am happy to hack qtnx and nxcl into shape Apr 20 01:39:54 I'm trying to learn about the exec_name feature of alarmd, and I'm failing. :) Apr 20 01:40:16 I suppose I can just track down the source. Apr 20 01:40:22 hmm Apr 20 01:40:25 man alarmd ? Apr 20 01:40:26 :) Apr 20 01:40:26 but first qt4 port is way overboard, given the amount of time I have Apr 20 01:40:59 alarmd's documentation does not answer my question. Apr 20 01:41:05 I pretty much need to read the source. :) Apr 20 01:41:15 ahm Apr 20 01:41:25 use the source young skywalker Apr 20 01:41:43 how's the alarmd different from atd ? Apr 20 01:41:44 :) Apr 20 01:42:37 Hmm. Apr 20 01:42:53 Well, that's odd. The source is not matching the behavior I think I'm observing. Apr 20 01:43:19 make sure you have updated your belief sources Apr 20 01:43:20 seebs, more dope / coffee / beer :) Apr 20 01:43:30 make a script what will do what you want without args ? Apr 20 01:43:48 Yeah, but alarmd is using g_shell_parse_argv. So it SHOULD be splitting. Apr 20 01:44:00 maybe it's splitting but just discarding Apr 20 01:44:21 or expects params in different variable? Apr 20 01:44:49 I don't think so. There's a single field in the object, which is passed to g_shell_parse_argv, so it should get split. And there's just one command line in the C API. Apr 20 01:44:57 haha garage.m.o ssl cert expired ? Apr 20 01:45:37 005337-White-Obama-Better-than-black-Hillary.jpg Apr 20 01:45:38 lol Apr 20 01:48:00 Well, I guess I must have been doing it wrong, because it's splitting now. Hmm. Maybe no default path? Apr 20 01:48:22 heh Apr 20 01:48:41 i think at least /bin should be Apr 20 01:48:51 try execing 'set' as the command Apr 20 01:50:26 It's not passing these to a shell, it's execing. If I exec '/tmp/args.sh foo bar', it gets foo and bar as arguments. If I exec '/bin/cp /dev/null /tmp/testfile', nothing happens. Apr 20 01:50:28 Hmm. Apr 20 01:51:15 Oh, duh. Apr 20 01:51:23 cp of a device fails when run by non-root. I am SO stupid. Apr 20 01:51:43 :) Apr 20 01:52:02 also for devices you should use -a or something Apr 20 01:52:05 i think Apr 20 01:52:20 I didn't actually want a cp of the real device, I just wanted an empty file. Heh. Apr 20 01:52:32 you should have used 'touch' then Apr 20 01:52:33 :) Apr 20 01:52:57 Yeah. Apr 20 01:56:02 Cool! I think I have a working shell interface to the alarm API. Apr 20 01:56:09 :) Apr 20 01:56:27 what i like about *nix is flexibility Apr 20 01:56:37 scripting and programming of every kind Apr 20 01:57:35 Yeah. Apr 20 01:57:41 This is SO close to being able to replace my PDA. Apr 20 01:58:06 :> Apr 20 02:54:14 anyone here using T-Zones? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 20 02:59:56 2008