**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 24 02:59:56 2008 Apr 24 03:12:01 agent 008 Apr 24 03:37:11 * n800n playing half life 2 on n800 Apr 24 03:37:20 ok, bad joke. Apr 24 03:37:59 crysis? Apr 24 03:38:23 n800n, not exactly hl2 but did you see the opengl demo running on an OMAP3 that xfade linked? Apr 24 03:38:42 no Apr 24 03:39:03 * johnx digs up the link Apr 24 03:39:12 OMAP3 has a lot of power under the hood for a mobile chip Apr 24 03:39:24 yeah, I'm really looking forward to it :D Apr 24 03:39:30 yep Apr 24 03:39:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24TXpqa9jG0 Apr 24 03:40:09 wow Apr 24 03:40:17 yeah Apr 24 03:40:39 I was expecting some janky n64 graphics but that's pretty awesome :) Apr 24 03:40:41 whoa Apr 24 03:41:17 I'm gonna have to sell a kidney or two to be able to afford to get the pandora or whatever Nokia releases with an OMAP3 but still... Apr 24 03:41:27 hehe Apr 24 03:41:33 i really hope people will start using the i.t.'s for sound making soon Apr 24 03:41:39 I wish the Pandora had the GP2X's form Apr 24 03:41:50 I'm really not a fan of the clamshell thing Apr 24 03:42:02 european? Apr 24 03:42:19 I don't care what form it has as long as it has a decent d-pad Apr 24 03:43:03 I liked the mods with the N-Gage dpad on the F100s Apr 24 03:43:22 If it's one thing that the N-Gage did right (the ONLY thing), it's the dpad. Apr 24 03:43:47 heck, even zaurus c1000 d-pad is fine, but the n800 (and n810 from what I've heard) is inexcusable Apr 24 03:44:48 it was designed by sega i think Apr 24 03:44:49 :> Apr 24 03:45:01 (the original n-gage) Apr 24 03:45:42 seriously though, it's just not rocket science to make a good durable d-pad Apr 24 03:46:05 but it only takes one decision to make it poor Apr 24 03:46:20 usually from the person from another dep Apr 24 03:46:32 that never used the device Apr 24 03:47:21 what's impressive is that the 770 was the single high point of tablet d-pads (from what I understand) and it's gotten worse every release Apr 24 03:47:44 talk about looks over usability Apr 24 03:48:45 johnx yeah, impressive Apr 24 03:49:19 KotCzarny: I don't know about that I personally find the 800 a step down lookwise from the 770 Apr 24 03:49:36 with the 810 being a step back up Apr 24 03:49:42 n800n, now just imagine that the N810 is actually worse than the N800 in terms of d-pad Apr 24 03:49:46 i just have a musician friend who uses hi ds for his stuff, keeps rubbing it in Apr 24 03:50:05 hm i dunno Apr 24 03:50:30 I have never gotten to use one so I wouldn't know, what makes it so bad? Apr 24 03:50:49 i haven't used the n810 at all really Apr 24 03:51:20 times like this i wish i had keyboard Apr 24 03:51:21 dunno, but I hear N810 users saying the N800's was actually better Apr 24 03:51:43 i really love it Apr 24 03:51:56 i'm getting wikipedia on sdict Apr 24 03:52:15 i'll be the smartest guy around Apr 24 03:52:16 oh totally. I love it for the most part Apr 24 03:52:30 that's why the small things drive me crazy :) Apr 24 03:52:49 also building an art history db to have on it Apr 24 03:53:09 it's my geeky dream come through Apr 24 03:53:24 'true' Apr 24 03:53:24 :) Apr 24 03:53:51 it's nice to have a community Apr 24 03:54:15 yeah, things are coming along nicely in terms of 3rd party software these days Apr 24 03:54:26 the influx of ex-zaurus users is definitely nice :) Apr 24 03:54:27 it seems like a lot of people have been wanting something like this for awhile Apr 24 03:54:35 yesh Apr 24 03:54:56 different interests Apr 24 03:55:04 the more the merrier Apr 24 03:55:08 pfffft. nintendo ds. Apr 24 03:55:49 i cant wait to get mine, been playing with the SDK for a while now Apr 24 03:56:03 i wanna install the palm emu but my gf's favorite game is alchemy and she's gonna hog it. Apr 24 03:56:38 that's ok, the palm emu only runs in a little section of the screen. I used it for all of 5 minutes before I gave up Apr 24 03:56:50 awesome Apr 24 03:56:59 hehe Apr 24 03:57:37 NullM0dem, that's cool. what are you planning to use it for? Apr 24 03:58:13 a few things, i have always wanted a small ebook reader. Apr 24 03:58:29 yeah, I love mine for that. Apr 24 03:58:32 nothing has been able to provide that Apr 24 03:58:46 reading books is great Apr 24 03:59:08 mostly i want to develop, im buying a small embedded arm board and would like to play with home automation etc Apr 24 03:59:31 cool Apr 24 03:59:42 yeah, the N800 is a nice chunk of hardware for a good price Apr 24 03:59:50 i feel guilty when running only fbreader, i have to have at least canola in the backround. feels like playing solitaire on a supercomputer Apr 24 04:00:03 heh Apr 24 04:00:17 feels that responsive? Apr 24 04:00:45 i meant it's a fast machine Apr 24 04:01:00 have seen enigma? Apr 24 04:01:03 i was looking at the n810, but im still deciding Apr 24 04:01:12 great graphics Apr 24 04:01:13 i love that game, ive played for a few years now Apr 24 04:01:33 it looks beautiful on this screen Apr 24 04:01:38 I set my grandmother up with it using a mini-itx and her HDTV Apr 24 04:01:46 keeps her mind working Apr 24 04:01:48 ;-) Apr 24 04:01:51 nice hehe Apr 24 04:02:46 Im staying with her for awhile to help her out, I plan on using the small arm board to monitor the house for her, as well as serve media. Apr 24 04:03:22 is she immobilized in some way? Apr 24 04:03:33 anyways I want the interface to run well on the nokia, I may add onto or modify misterhouse Apr 24 04:03:39 are are just a little tyranical Apr 24 04:03:58 no not at all, just starting to loose her memory, like forgetting what lights are on if the doors locked etc Apr 24 04:04:05 ah Apr 24 04:04:18 very cool of you, nice project Apr 24 04:04:20 have you seen misterhouse? Apr 24 04:04:25 no Apr 24 04:04:28 old project Apr 24 04:04:46 http://misterhouse.sourceforge.net/ Apr 24 04:05:00 I want to make a frontend that will run under maemo Apr 24 04:06:07 sweetness Apr 24 04:06:18 heres the embedded board, http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 Apr 24 04:06:20 thats part of it Apr 24 04:06:23 it's from he future Apr 24 04:06:28 heh Apr 24 04:06:51 There's a company that distributes the N800 as a $3000 home remote. Apr 24 04:06:57 I don't recall where their website is, though. Apr 24 04:07:00 wha Apr 24 04:07:03 thier nuts Apr 24 04:07:17 It's for their proprietary home control system. Apr 24 04:07:31 yep, i could do that too. but...... Apr 24 04:07:51 My system will eventually sync your cars media player to your house server Apr 24 04:07:54 when you park Apr 24 04:08:01 ill make it all open too :-P Apr 24 04:08:02 There's another company that distributes the 770 as a $3500 wifi security device. ;) Apr 24 04:08:26 no, YOUR house server. Apr 24 04:08:37 :) Apr 24 04:08:47 alittle of both Apr 24 04:08:49 muhahhha Apr 24 04:08:56 hehe Apr 24 04:09:10 I'm waiting for the day when that sort of seamless syncing, control, etc is both easy to use and set up and stable. Apr 24 04:09:27 For the time being it's just clunky and painful. Apr 24 04:09:30 im working on it with off the shelf parts and some OSS Apr 24 04:09:40 true Apr 24 04:09:55 it's possible to get it working nicely on a case-by-case basis Apr 24 04:10:00 but generalizing it has hard Apr 24 04:10:09 Right Apr 24 04:10:10 s/has/is/ Apr 24 04:10:11 johnx meant: but generalizing it is hard Apr 24 04:10:15 was just typing that Apr 24 04:10:30 wow a grammer bot Apr 24 04:10:35 I'm picturing a point where your car, your home, your mobile, etc are all running similar stuff. Apr 24 04:11:02 ARM based i would suspect Apr 24 04:11:19 Cars, I believe, are a particularly long way from that point. Apr 24 04:11:34 Which is unfortunate Apr 24 04:11:37 for closed source cars, maybe Apr 24 04:11:43 because a good carputer could do some pretty badass stuff. Apr 24 04:12:10 Like using the mobile to set the seat and mirror position, set the radio stations, climate control and driving preferences, etc. :D Apr 24 04:12:11 sure could, most mainstream crap is overpriced and has very little funtionality Apr 24 04:12:26 ah, one of *those* cars :/ Apr 24 04:12:39 What's the matter with those cars, johnx? Apr 24 04:12:45 with some damn good authentication mind you... Apr 24 04:12:58 I'll move my own seat into position if it saves 40lbs Apr 24 04:13:04 Haha Apr 24 04:13:07 same with climate control Apr 24 04:13:24 Meh Apr 24 04:13:25 * johnx likes his cars as close to 1 ton as possible Apr 24 04:13:38 well if you have multiple people driving, the mobile will upload the profile before you get in.... Apr 24 04:13:46 big faimlys etc Apr 24 04:13:48 and with the *least amount of fancy $%# that's likely to break badly* Apr 24 04:14:13 A new Camry could manage all that pretty easily with a little hacking. Apr 24 04:14:38 Im more in to ghetto engineering, mad scientist methods using junk :) Apr 24 04:14:49 :D Apr 24 04:14:51 me too Apr 24 04:15:26 I used to have a caddy loading computer cd-rom drive hooked up to computer speakers in my 82 honda accord(ian) Apr 24 04:15:30 arm seems like a good platform to hack around with, i want o get my feet wet with some assembly etc Apr 24 04:15:49 ARM is a great platform, and now it's rather well supported in Linux Apr 24 04:16:07 have you looked at the Linux support for the ARM9 board you're looking at? Apr 24 04:19:34 yep, it ships with debian Apr 24 04:19:40 very cool Apr 24 04:19:53 and the hardware support in the kernel is actually open source? Apr 24 04:20:11 the thing i dont like about it is that the FPGA is used for hardware funtions such as the SD card. so its not 100% free Apr 24 04:20:49 most of it is i believe, im still trying to filter out the marketting crap, you do need some of their modules to work with it Apr 24 04:21:58 there is a sound card module, and various other pc104 addons. im not certain on the full linux support Apr 24 04:22:29 well it will be mostly static once you put it in place, right? Apr 24 04:22:35 yep Apr 24 04:23:13 I think they also charge for linux support, which only motivates me to hack it :) Apr 24 04:27:22 this is a cool addon Apr 24 04:27:25 http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-GSM1# Apr 24 04:29:45 Real mad scientists do not use PC104 boards! Apr 24 04:29:56 heh, owned Apr 24 04:30:00 Real mad scientists use deadly laser beams and steam engines Apr 24 04:30:07 bzzt Apr 24 04:30:21 :) Apr 24 04:31:28 anyone know of a mini-usb to serial adapter? Apr 24 04:31:40 There is plenty Apr 24 04:31:52 All of them are basically built on the same chipset though Apr 24 04:31:56 ok Apr 24 04:32:11 would they work with the nokia n8*0 series? Apr 24 04:32:42 hmm, I thought I heard someone trying that Apr 24 04:32:51 have you looked on internettablettalk.com/forums ? Apr 24 04:33:15 Somebody made it work with ITT Apr 24 04:33:15 new link for me, im still datamining this stuff :) Apr 24 04:33:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13059 Apr 24 04:33:51 ah, i was here today Apr 24 04:34:24 perfect! thanks Apr 24 04:34:57 is this pretty much the authoritive site? Apr 24 04:35:33 the maemo-developers mailing list has some good stuff sometimes Apr 24 04:35:49 but itt seem to be the main web-forums Apr 24 04:36:45 im registering :) Apr 24 04:39:12 Although it's been trending more and more towards whiny whitenoise these days. :< Apr 24 04:39:53 meh, it's pretty good for a largeish web forum Apr 24 04:40:50 Stupid Comcast Apr 24 04:41:05 It's fun when the web crawls most of the time. . . . Apr 24 04:41:32 the next couple years will be interesting in terms of Internet infrastructure Apr 24 04:41:37 I'm looking forward to it :D Apr 24 04:42:26 so i joined right after the waves of noobs swarmed in. oh great!! Apr 24 04:42:55 nah, n00bs have been swarming in for a year now. It's not really all that much worse now than 6 months ago Apr 24 04:43:17 It's a lot worse than 8 months ago, though. :P Apr 24 04:43:27 fair enough Apr 24 04:43:42 but there's lots more cool 3rd party stuff too Apr 24 04:43:53 ignore the newbies, enjoy the software Apr 24 04:44:30 google has changed alot in the past 8 years, you could goto google.com/linux and find what you needed on the first 2 pages Apr 24 04:44:37 now its hell Apr 24 04:44:52 too commercial and ubuntu related Apr 24 04:45:06 google tips for nokia tablets: add one or more of maemo, chinook, os2008 to your search Apr 24 04:45:25 ^ Apr 24 04:45:33 maemo will get you what you're after 90% of the time. Apr 24 04:45:36 i have found more info using maemo than just n800 Apr 24 04:45:37 and the -site:foo.com and -ubuntu tags help Apr 24 04:45:44 they do Apr 24 04:46:18 ah, web searches: just another new command line to learn Apr 24 04:46:37 especially on google Apr 24 04:46:42 it changes alot Apr 24 04:47:12 alot of the abscure linux hobby sites have dropped Apr 24 04:47:13 hmm? google or the content? Apr 24 04:47:22 content, or google indexing the content Apr 24 04:47:38 it's just like using the find command on someone else's computer Apr 24 04:47:46 yes Apr 24 04:48:04 Google has been getting worse and worse. Apr 24 04:48:20 seems fine from where I'm sitting Apr 24 04:48:26 I want to go back to when it was just a geek tool and everybody wasn't trying as hard as they possibly could to spam it. Apr 24 04:48:31 but maybe I've been compensating with better google-fu Apr 24 04:48:44 heh, i should get better google fu Apr 24 04:48:59 it was decent in the late 90's Apr 24 04:49:22 I didn't actually hear about it until the early 2000's so I was late to the party Apr 24 04:49:32 in the late 90's I was probably still using hotbot Apr 24 04:49:46 i could type linux on blah or netbsd on fu, and have dozens of usefull links without all the commercial crap Apr 24 04:50:05 i used dogpile for awhile Apr 24 04:50:09 They don't seem to care as much about spam anymore. Apr 24 04:50:29 well the whole net has changed. The only part that really makes me sad is the stuff that's not just annoying, but purely evil and makes people not trust each other Apr 24 04:50:33 hotbot, altavista, dogpile, yahoo Apr 24 04:50:50 It's funny all the defunct search engines. Apr 24 04:50:59 i hear you johnx Apr 24 04:51:05 Domain parkers need to die in a horrible fire. Apr 24 04:51:10 my dad had his debit info ripped out of IE Apr 24 04:51:13 yes Apr 24 04:51:39 Alot of OSS related sites just dissapeard over domain parking Apr 24 04:51:40 domain parkers, spammers: annoying / malware, ID theft: evil Apr 24 04:52:07 Spam websites that pretend to be useful so they show up in all sorts of google searches to generate clicks need to die. Apr 24 04:52:42 Fucking Comcast Apr 24 04:52:43 at least domain sampling got axed (IIRC) Apr 24 04:52:50 where can you find these domain parkers, they seem to all use the same template and header images too Apr 24 04:52:53 I shut off bittorrent and the connection starts going again. Apr 24 04:53:12 NullM0dem, maybe they're all in the same place and we can just glass it. Apr 24 04:53:19 eh Apr 24 04:53:23 im with you Apr 24 04:53:56 The connection at my parents house makes Comcast feel like dialup. <_< Apr 24 04:54:07 we can use a small army of n800's to create a mesh around the building Apr 24 04:54:58 i used comcast last year and moved, it was horrible Apr 24 04:55:01 and slowly cook them with wifi? Apr 24 04:55:07 yes Apr 24 04:55:14 Hehe Apr 24 04:55:20 -pew- -pew- Apr 24 04:55:24 I'm still going with fire Apr 24 04:55:26 nuclear fire Apr 24 04:55:30 Hehe Apr 24 04:55:50 that girl with the backpack on some of those is kind of cute Apr 24 04:55:52 heh Apr 24 04:55:54 Get a bunch of WRT54Gs to "overclock" to 300mW? ;) Apr 24 04:55:57 I still wonder if there is a good technical solution to the problem Apr 24 04:56:00 Our network provider actually ENCOURAGES p2p Apr 24 04:56:16 maybe regulations on one person/company owning more than x domain names? Apr 24 04:56:30 Hundreds of people with "stuff" they share with other network users is its selling point Apr 24 04:56:41 We need a "usefulness" metric. Apr 24 04:56:48 too subjective Apr 24 04:56:49 i lost a few domains last year, no more than 8 hours and it was gone Apr 24 04:56:52 If a website isn't useful, then the domain lease is revoked. Apr 24 04:56:57 Then we can revoke microsoft.com Apr 24 04:57:09 and novel Apr 24 04:57:24 that should cause cnn.com revokation Apr 24 04:57:31 the trick is to phrase things in such a way that Microsoft/IBM/Novell are backing the idea Apr 24 04:57:41 that's how you get results Apr 24 04:57:46 yep Apr 24 04:57:58 now that Microsoft has come out against software patents we might see some progress for example Apr 24 04:58:07 it's all about enlightened self interest Apr 24 04:58:11 "Revoke domains that are not using IIS"? Apr 24 04:58:24 Hehe Apr 24 04:58:37 or, WebSphere! Apr 24 04:58:37 Gotta take the money out of domain parking. Apr 24 04:59:03 raise registration fees tenfold Apr 24 04:59:14 right, then I would definitely drop my domain Apr 24 04:59:17 revoke non IIS domaons are you nuts? Apr 24 04:59:30 I am. So? Apr 24 04:59:34 :P Apr 24 04:59:59 i dont think many tun on IIS these days Apr 24 05:00:02 how about $10 to own one domain or $40 to own two, $160 to own three, etc Apr 24 05:00:04 * KotCzarny calls squirrel squad to take care of nutts Apr 24 05:00:29 They'd just have different entities register each domain. Apr 24 05:01:03 should have an awful lot of entities Apr 24 05:01:19 right, but the idea is to make it prohibitively expensive to own too many Apr 24 05:01:38 legislating it is the wrong approach, anyway. Apr 24 05:01:48 domains should be banned Apr 24 05:01:53 eventually you start hitting a lot of beurocratic (sp KotCzarny?) overhead Apr 24 05:01:54 go ips! Apr 24 05:02:43 especially go ipv6 ips! Apr 24 05:02:52 i own 6 domains that i actively use Apr 24 05:03:03 i 'own' one Apr 24 05:03:33 right but the only way domain parking makes sense is by owning hundreds Apr 24 05:04:50 meh, maybe some alternative opensource DNS structure will actually take off eventually (I know they exist, but they definitely haven't reached critical mass) Apr 24 05:04:57 i actually have one that i don't appear to use but i use it for an email hole Apr 24 05:06:27 nah... google needs to clean up their database or just die Apr 24 05:07:25 who the hell is this guy, ive been nullmodem since 98 http://www.nullmodem.org/jeffm Apr 24 05:07:34 :P Apr 24 05:07:56 Jeff S. Morris Apr 24 05:07:58 NM: Investor, Entrepreneur, Technology Consultant Apr 24 05:08:00 lol Apr 24 05:08:05 Invest, Entreperneur, Technology Consultant . . . duh Apr 24 05:08:05 Probably fixes PCs too Apr 24 05:08:22 wow, he actually put that he has an A+ Apr 24 05:08:25 yep, he's admins domain controller's Apr 24 05:08:28 I'd be kind of embarassed of that Apr 24 05:08:33 for active directory Apr 24 05:08:41 yeah, this is an example of bad use Apr 24 05:08:53 SENIOR WEB SITE DEVELOPER Apr 24 05:09:09 haha Apr 24 05:09:15 shouldn't senior live they days in senior houses? Apr 24 05:09:23 and don't mess with THE internet? Apr 24 05:09:25 ADMINISTRATIVE TEMP Apr 24 05:09:28 *seniors Apr 24 05:09:38 it means he still makes pages that look like they are hosted on geocities Apr 24 05:09:41 *their Apr 24 05:09:42 doh. Apr 24 05:09:51 ah geocities Apr 24 05:10:01 and the blink and marquee tags Apr 24 05:10:16 * johnx feels no nostalgia Apr 24 05:11:19 NORTH QUINCY, MASS: Wednesday, April 5, 2000: Jeff Morris, President of the Xensei Corporation, announced today that they have reached a service level milestone that will allow them to begin rolling out high-availability web hosting, an emerging service level that has now become business-critical for eCommerce. Apr 24 05:11:31 web hosting... Apr 24 05:12:00 high-availability as opposed to low-availability? Apr 24 05:12:05 do I smell a niche market? Apr 24 05:12:06 The Renaissance Geek: From wiring servers to cutting wood, Morris is the MAN Apr 24 05:12:13 haha Apr 24 05:12:35 "Come, get your low-availability web hosting! Lower availability drives demand from users!" Apr 24 05:12:40 I love his recommendations page http://www.nullmodem.org/jeffm/recommendation-ethanallen.php lol Apr 24 05:13:21 wow Apr 24 05:13:54 i was going to buy nullm0dem.org but a typo would humiliate me Apr 24 05:14:37 1/2 of the domains I own have "fuck" in their names ;) Apr 24 05:14:49 Do you own 2 domains? Apr 24 05:14:54 I own 4 Apr 24 05:15:38 I have fuckyourcomputer.net and jesusfuckinchrist.com Apr 24 05:15:40 Oh, the horror Apr 24 05:15:51 How did they allow you to get these? Apr 24 05:16:03 I just register them like any other domain Apr 24 05:16:05 nice jesusfuckingchrist.com must be worth something Apr 24 05:16:13 NullM0dem, no "g" Apr 24 05:16:21 as in "Jesus fuckin' christ!" Apr 24 05:17:09 still though, my friend's nickname is red, back in the mid 90's he joked about buying red.com. it sold a few years back for 25 million Apr 24 05:17:19 dumbass Apr 24 05:17:24 fuck-in-christ also sounds good Apr 24 05:17:28 it was free too when he looked into it Apr 24 05:17:42 wow! Apr 24 05:17:52 hmm Apr 24 05:17:54 yeah, but no one saw this coming Apr 24 05:17:57 there is one with g too Apr 24 05:18:16 I'm not doing anything interesting with my sites Apr 24 05:18:27 I wish registering subdomains was easier and cheaper/free. Ghalleck.com would be nice but I would take halleck.foo.com without any qualms Apr 24 05:18:46 I remember seeing a kellogg's cereal truck with frostedflakes.com printed on the side in the late 90's and thinking how ridiculous it was for a cereal company to even bother having a website Apr 24 05:18:49 I used to have "oink.pig.net" at one time ;) Apr 24 05:19:19 TheFool, well just talk to someone who owns the domain foo.com then... Apr 24 05:19:22 sounds like a snort sensor :) Apr 24 05:19:38 my ISP was "pig.net" (praxis information group)....and they let me host a server there.....so I quickly thought of "oink" as my host name Apr 24 05:21:07 pig.net seems parked too Apr 24 05:21:18 :/ Apr 24 05:21:30 now it is, but not back when I had that name in the late 90s Apr 24 05:21:33 johnx: Thats what I mean though, I wish there were more domains that would just give away subdomains or sell them super cheap. I don't want to have to contact some guy about it. Apr 24 05:21:36 wow...that was about 10 years ago Apr 24 05:21:42 i think google should detect and refuse to index parked sites Apr 24 05:21:47 There are some domains like this Apr 24 05:21:48 I hate the OSS project parking Apr 24 05:21:51 dyndns comes to minf ;) Apr 24 05:21:58 phlack got parked, numerous others Apr 24 05:22:03 KotCzarny: google makes money off of those parked sites... Apr 24 05:22:18 phlak.. Apr 24 05:22:26 google is evil then? Apr 24 05:22:29 they do, sad enough Apr 24 05:22:32 yes Apr 24 05:22:41 its a grey area Apr 24 05:22:49 RST38h: I actually have a dyndns domain, I just wish there were more like that Apr 24 05:23:08 TheFool, interested in foo.sheeplauncher.net ? Apr 24 05:23:08 I used to work for tzo which does dyndns as well Apr 24 05:23:16 too long Apr 24 05:23:22 ill take it Apr 24 05:23:37 sheepshagger.net ? Apr 24 05:23:38 ;) Apr 24 05:23:48 looks free Apr 24 05:23:55 Sheep Shagger Apr 24 05:23:55 Quality You Trust, Prices You Love. Deals On Sheep Shagger. Apr 24 05:23:55 BizRate.com Apr 24 05:23:57 lol Apr 24 05:24:02 well, I already have sheeplauncher.net Apr 24 05:24:17 Enjoy Savings & Selection On Sheep Shagger. Apr 24 05:24:17 Shopzilla.com Apr 24 05:24:26 A Sheep Shagger Apr 24 05:24:26 Popular Brand Stores on CatalogLink. Request Free Catalogs Online. Apr 24 05:24:40 stop spamming KotCzarny :P Apr 24 05:24:41 i just love those auto generated ads Apr 24 05:24:51 anyone use scroogle scrapper? Apr 24 05:25:10 btw. it's a spam from opendns.com Apr 24 05:25:24 but i prefer it over verizon spam Apr 24 05:25:43 I'd rather just run my own DNS Apr 24 05:25:44 I used it for a bit, and sadly I preffered comcasts dns Apr 24 05:25:46 it's not that hard Apr 24 05:26:04 http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm Apr 24 05:26:09 no adds same hits Apr 24 05:26:12 johnx: i know, but can tlds be contacted by anyone? Apr 24 05:26:36 ? Apr 24 05:27:05 to resolve a name you have to contact dns server, usually isp's or tld Apr 24 05:27:12 erm. Apr 24 05:27:26 s/tld/top level name server Apr 24 05:27:37 right, so on my network it goes: n800 queries my router's DNS, which queries the root servers and caches the answer Apr 24 05:27:41 or root ns Apr 24 05:28:08 not that simple of course, the root points to the authoritative server for the domain, etc, etc Apr 24 05:28:14 johnx: so i can put root ns into my local caching ns ? Apr 24 05:29:04 I don't see why not Apr 24 05:29:09 what server are you running? Apr 24 05:29:14 pdnsd Apr 24 05:29:29 heres a question, I have a n800 running os2008, when I click on the icon at the top to connect to a wifi hotspot it shows none, but if I run airodump-ng wlan0 it shows about 5 I can connect to if they would show up in the list, why arent they showing up in it? Apr 24 05:30:48 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Ams-ix.k.root-servers.net.jpg Apr 24 05:30:51 blinkenlichts Apr 24 05:30:53 :) Apr 24 05:31:20 nice Apr 24 05:31:34 johnx: which root ns you recommend? Apr 24 05:31:58 When I ran bind I just let it choose. I believe it knows about all of them Apr 24 05:32:14 I don't know how you'd setup pdnsd (am reading about it right now) Apr 24 05:32:37 i know how to setup it Apr 24 05:32:48 i only ask about which one is the best Apr 24 05:32:54 dunno Apr 24 05:32:54 from paranoid's view Apr 24 05:33:10 they should always be the same Apr 24 05:33:17 you could look up their uptime history Apr 24 05:33:27 sure.. like i would trust verisign or .mil Apr 24 05:33:33 lol Apr 24 05:33:39 h is aos.arl.army.mil Apr 24 05:33:40 :) Apr 24 05:33:43 Your paranoia is not my problem :P Apr 24 05:33:51 g too Apr 24 05:34:11 i will take f (ns.isc.org) Apr 24 05:34:30 that one osunds old Apr 24 05:34:52 and i (nic.nordu.net) Apr 24 05:35:29 k l m are good too (i think) Apr 24 05:35:43 let's ping Apr 24 05:35:59 hping Apr 24 05:36:16 hping2 Apr 24 05:36:32 anyways all a root server does is tell you who has authority for the tld you queried them about Apr 24 05:36:48 so k.root-servers.net says go ask verisign about .com Apr 24 05:36:53 etc, etc Apr 24 05:37:13 i know, but i wasn't sure if it accepts any request (ie. not from isps) Apr 24 05:37:44 it does, but you will *almost never* connect to it after the first request you send to it for *.com, *.net *.org *.cc Apr 24 05:38:14 make sure you set root_server=on in your config file, BTW :) Apr 24 05:38:22 i know, i know Apr 24 05:38:30 :) just making sure Apr 24 05:38:52 and as for never connecting it depends on ttl Apr 24 05:38:52 :) Apr 24 05:39:07 the ttl of .com...heh Apr 24 05:39:27 cogent seems fast Apr 24 05:40:04 Cogent believes it has grown to become the second largest carrier of Internet traffic in the world with over 15% of the world's Internet traffic crossing its network. Apr 24 05:40:07 maybe I should run pdnsd on my wrt if it's small enough... Apr 24 05:40:15 johnx, it is Apr 24 05:40:27 but you will have to tune it's cache size Apr 24 05:40:39 yeah, might not be worth it Apr 24 05:40:39 because wrt is a little limited in this area Apr 24 05:40:39 :) Apr 24 05:40:45 not true Apr 24 05:40:53 even 512kb of cache will benefit you Apr 24 05:41:05 almost all my RAM is soaked up already and I'm already using dnsmasq Apr 24 05:41:19 heh Apr 24 05:41:20 if pdnsd is any bigger it will cut into the cache dnsmasq has more than it will help Apr 24 05:42:00 ~652kb on my laptop Apr 24 05:42:11 on arm/mips it should be 1/2 Apr 24 05:42:11 RSS? or executable size? Apr 24 05:42:14 rss Apr 24 05:42:31 but that's it's cache too :P Apr 24 05:42:40 :) Apr 24 05:42:54 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 246156 2006-08-18 17:55 /usr/local/sbin/pdnsd* Apr 24 05:42:59 that's on x86 Apr 24 05:43:11 statically compiled Apr 24 05:43:11 :) Apr 24 05:43:44 dnsmasq is half that size here on MIPS Apr 24 05:43:59 I'm gonna go with "not bother" for now :) Apr 24 05:44:03 as i said, if you compile it using uclibc libs Apr 24 05:44:07 it will be much smaller Apr 24 05:44:20 I have other, better projects to bang my head against a wall over :) Apr 24 05:44:51 I'll keep it in mind for the next OS upgrade I do on my WRT though Apr 24 05:45:08 you can test it without upgrading/flashing Apr 24 05:45:09 :) Apr 24 05:45:33 I know but I don't feel like breaking things I don't need to on my router Apr 24 05:46:12 Hi Apr 24 05:46:23 hi Apr 24 05:46:41 hello Apr 24 05:47:03 hi Apr 24 05:47:32 hi Apr 24 05:48:02 it s seems there is a margin in a hildon.Windows that doesn t exist in a gtk.Window ... do u know what property is it ? Apr 24 05:54:09 erm. Apr 24 05:54:35 g3 powerbook for a 600$ Apr 24 05:54:43 some people are living in their minds Apr 24 05:55:13 old apple stuff retains a lot of value Apr 24 05:55:21 I've still got a old mac os hackintosh which I need to try out. Apr 24 05:55:23 not *that much* though :) Apr 24 05:55:30 like 400mhz cpu with 6gb hdd? Apr 24 05:56:08 I sold my g3 600mhz for $400 Apr 24 05:56:08 qwerty12: install slackingtosh on it :) Apr 24 05:56:12 the 6GB part is a bit of a stretch Apr 24 05:56:41 anyways, people who buy old apples buy them for the "just works" part, not the specs/features Apr 24 05:56:41 KotCzarny, Nice :) Apr 24 05:57:00 for just works i prefer 50$ p3 :) Apr 24 05:57:04 (laptop) Apr 24 05:57:19 yeah, but you're obviously not the target demographic Apr 24 05:57:30 yeah. i'm different. Apr 24 05:57:36 (not like that apple crowd) Apr 24 05:57:44 m.python comes to mind Apr 24 05:57:44 :> Apr 24 05:57:50 apples ftw Apr 24 05:58:01 I miss my macbook Apr 24 05:58:05 KotCzarny, you're on IRC talking about embedded linux, I think that you don't count as the average computer user Apr 24 05:58:15 KotCzarny > it s the price i ve sell mine two months ago Apr 24 05:58:23 yeah, i'm too tall for average Apr 24 05:58:26 a G3 600 ibook Apr 24 05:58:44 yeah, I had a macbook at my last job. I liked it for work, but I think I'll get a thinkpad that runs Linux well when I can afforda new laptop Apr 24 05:58:52 khertan: powerbook. not ibook Apr 24 05:59:03 macbook ran linux fine Apr 24 05:59:06 and windows Apr 24 05:59:09 and osx Apr 24 05:59:21 not very well on linix Apr 24 05:59:28 two things: pointing nub and two or three mouse buttons Apr 24 05:59:38 it s a real pain to make wifi working Apr 24 06:00:07 always worked right away for me Apr 24 06:00:33 two mouse buttons are a requirement for any Linux laptop/desktop I buy Apr 24 06:00:36 what distribution do u use ? Apr 24 06:00:45 'you' Apr 24 06:00:50 ubuntu Apr 24 06:00:59 youbyountyou Apr 24 06:01:03 (: Apr 24 06:01:25 i ve try it too Apr 24 06:01:37 new mac mighty mouse have one button but can right and left click Apr 24 06:01:43 but was unable to make wifi working Apr 24 06:01:44 ubuntu worked ok on the core duo macbook I had for work, but I didn't feel like messing around with it Apr 24 06:02:02 so they finally gave up on 'one button per mouse' ? Apr 24 06:02:13 a while ago KotCzarny. you missed it :P Apr 24 06:02:19 apparently Apr 24 06:02:20 :) Apr 24 06:02:24 i has one button Apr 24 06:02:28 yes they gave up for four year at least Apr 24 06:02:43 but if you click on the left side it left clicks and right will right click Apr 24 06:02:44 but the lack of two mouse buttons on the macbook makes it a deal breaker for me for linux purposes Apr 24 06:02:48 * KotCzarny had very little exposure to apple products Apr 24 06:03:11 ive had a ibook/emac/imac/macbook Apr 24 06:03:21 * KotCzarny had mostly thinkpads Apr 24 06:03:39 then a few sony vaios Apr 24 06:03:44 I've never used an Apple product in my life except once for school, where I had to make a crap animated v.short film. Apr 24 06:04:18 i ve develloped many things on mac in the past Apr 24 06:04:41 the sound programs they make for the macs are amazing Apr 24 06:04:44 openssh 5.0 Apr 24 06:04:46 O.o Apr 24 06:04:58 yeah, bugfix release Apr 24 06:05:05 anything serious? Apr 24 06:05:15 a security thing with x forwarding IIRC Apr 24 06:05:26 i don't use x forwarding Apr 24 06:05:33 (i use regular port forwarding though) Apr 24 06:09:32 * Khertan_on_n810 try to understood how google api work on ermining to make sync in mCalendar Apr 24 06:09:40 bye Apr 24 06:09:46 bye Apr 24 07:42:30 lalalalalalalalaalalalalalalalal Apr 24 07:42:43 wow, so profound Apr 24 07:42:50 * doc|home amazed Apr 24 07:43:02 * doc|home demands more! Apr 24 07:43:13 I just shat my pants over that. Apr 24 07:43:15 wait, no, sleep, that's what I demand Apr 24 07:43:19 * doc|home zZzZz Apr 24 07:43:20 i didn't liked it.. Apr 24 07:43:29 but i'm different Apr 24 07:43:31 as always Apr 24 07:44:47 * CptLaptop bored Apr 24 07:45:02 ive spent the last 1,5 horus making a sketch of my teacher in PS Apr 24 07:45:33 naked? Apr 24 07:46:19 Hehe my N800 doesn't like xmodmap or xvkbd :/ Apr 24 07:46:46 no as rambo Apr 24 07:47:11 qwerty: if you have ran xkbd before it may leave x in b0rken state Apr 24 07:47:14 people stare at me when i read the local paper on my n800 as pdf...i hate technonoobs Apr 24 07:47:28 in that case disable xtest extension in xvkbd until reboot Apr 24 07:47:28 :) Apr 24 07:47:40 KotCzarny, Nope. dsme cannot read fd or something. It reboots my N800 :/ Apr 24 07:47:42 :( Apr 24 07:48:26 how do you know it's kbd related? Apr 24 07:48:27 :) Apr 24 07:49:26 xmodmap does it as well, I'm not saying it's your program, I've used it before in a previous flash :), but I think they (xvkbd and xmodmap) share something that is making my dsme crash in this flash :) Apr 24 07:49:58 I get no messages from xmodmap or xvkbd. The only info I got was the dsme info which fits because my N800 reboots. Apr 24 07:50:34 hmm Apr 24 07:50:41 i can't think of anything related Apr 24 07:50:42 :) Apr 24 07:50:59 Same here :). Ah well, that's life :p. Apr 24 07:51:53 hrm Apr 24 07:52:01 hildon-desktop randomly crashed again :/ Apr 24 07:52:40 Some big thread on ITT about this. People in the end attributed it to modest and statusbar clock with alarms on and alarmd messing up. Apr 24 07:52:53 Ah, that's probably it. Apr 24 07:53:00 It started when I installed statusbar clock Apr 24 07:53:08 statusbar clock works for me Apr 24 07:53:11 Do you have alarms enabled? Apr 24 07:53:12 no random crashes Apr 24 07:53:15 No :/ Apr 24 07:53:36 That's odd. It's alarms that crash it. I'm using statusbar clock fine with no alarms enabled. Apr 24 07:54:22 KotCzarny, I think I know why dsme is messing up. I'm using powerlaunch now. I'm gonna reboot into run level 5 soon which uses systemui and mce and see if it crashes there. Apr 24 07:54:59 Does the N810 wifi chipset support monitor and promiscuous modes ? Apr 24 07:55:06 * Navi needs to set up powerlaunch Apr 24 07:56:25 i think i also use powerlaunch Apr 24 07:56:35 it's that contacts icon replacement? Apr 24 07:56:37 The mpd config could do with some improvements. I made a few tweaks here and there to that file. Apr 24 07:56:41 KotCzarny, no Apr 24 07:56:46 mce and systemui replacement Apr 24 07:57:05 ah, that's personal menu Apr 24 07:57:26 fiferboy made some brilliant changes in his latest version Apr 24 07:59:11 God, I love it when teaching unions strike. Apr 24 08:02:12 Has anyone compiled xmms2? I'm looking for xmms replacements. I've got beep to compile but bad sound output. Audatious segfaults on me. Apr 24 08:02:27 yes, i have saw somebody reporting it Apr 24 08:02:49 http://nakkiboso.com/xmms2-chinook/ Apr 24 08:02:55 Thanks :) Apr 24 08:03:01 solmumaha compiled it, thank him :) Apr 24 08:03:09 solmumaha, thanks Apr 24 08:03:10 :p Apr 24 08:03:13 :) Apr 24 08:04:12 Hi, I have a N770. How can I tell whether I'm running OS2006 or OS2007HE on it? Apr 24 08:04:27 run: uname -a Apr 24 08:04:27 I pray. Or go to about in control panel. Apr 24 08:05:29 Nokia770-49 2.6.16.27-omap1 Apr 24 08:06:13 omniscientx: cat /etc/osso_software_version Apr 24 08:12:52 thanks Apr 24 08:15:55 How do you run powerlaunch? Apr 24 08:16:12 Navi: it is configurable from Panels config dialog Apr 24 08:16:22 Oh, wait, wrong program Apr 24 08:16:33 Navi, Pressing the power button? Apr 24 08:22:56 moin. Apr 24 08:32:28 How can I hook a GSM phone with the N810 using bluetooth ? Apr 24 08:36:01 I have troubles with the scratchbox stuff - after af-sb-init.sh start some vital plugins are missing - e.g. the control panel plugin to configure the items in the status bar. Apr 24 08:36:09 Is there a known problem regarding this? Apr 24 08:36:31 I think they're just included Apr 24 08:36:39 I am trying to build the status-bar example at http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPluginHowto/ Apr 24 08:37:06 johnx: do I have to unpack them manually from somewhere? I am a bit at a loss. Apr 24 08:37:31 (the example does not show up in the status bar and I have no clue what is going wrong) Apr 24 08:38:13 I'm afraid I don't know, but I remember the scratchbox image missing a lot of stuff Apr 24 08:38:40 besides motion, is there any other motion capturing programs that uses the n800 webcam Apr 24 08:38:53 Can I run OpenMoko on the N810 ? Apr 24 08:40:10 not easily, but if you felt like compiling and troubleshooting it might be possible Apr 24 08:40:12 qwerty111: gxmms2 isn't very pretty and you should renice xmms2d a bit for smooth playback Apr 24 08:40:24 and CVirus did you look in the control panel for the phone pairing wizard? Apr 24 08:40:46 solmumaha, thanks for that. I will try that out. Apr 24 08:41:04 johnx: I don't own an N810 yet Apr 24 08:41:29 ah, ok, the first time you turn it on it will ask you to pair your phone Apr 24 08:41:42 if you choose not to you can do it later through control panel Apr 24 08:41:54 If you pair a phone after that too via bluetooth applet, it asks if you want to set up this phone. Apr 24 08:42:09 Check out the internet tablet school, krisse wrote a great tutorial on it. Apr 24 08:47:22 or has anyone use motion on os2008? Apr 24 09:08:55 for some reason "apt-get update" inside scratchbox does not work. Duh. Apr 24 09:09:10 Works for me. Apr 24 09:11:49 is repository.maemo.org working for anyone? Apr 24 09:12:19 when i refresh the application catalog, it gets stuck on Downloading 5KB Apr 24 09:12:20 ...taking a while here Apr 24 09:13:25 it took a really long time before it sent me data but it worked Apr 24 09:15:43 or is repository.maemo.org just dead ATM? Apr 24 09:16:05 yes, probably that Apr 24 09:16:08 or very close to dead Apr 24 09:16:09 nomis: It is very slow, we're already investigating it.. Apr 24 09:16:23 ok then. Apr 24 09:16:37 if you need any diagnostics run from here, just ask :) Apr 24 09:17:20 I am just trying to reinstall my scratchbox from scratch, since I yesterday did not clean out the old installation. Apr 24 09:17:39 * nomis needs to make the statusbar-clock work again... Apr 24 09:20:21 repository should be better now? Apr 24 09:20:39 yep Apr 24 09:20:52 still a slight bit slow though. Apr 24 09:21:08 Yeah, probably the caching network starting up.. Apr 24 09:24:19 yeah, I seem to get stuff now. Apr 24 09:26:56 Hi ... again ... Apr 24 09:27:03 Hi Apr 24 09:38:24 anyone here know about the inner workings of sapwood? Apr 24 09:39:49 specifically whether there might be any pitfalls into getting the chinook version running on an armv5te? Apr 24 09:58:16 mhm. should af-sb-init.sh stop have any visible effect? For some reason the desktop seems to continue running. Apr 24 09:58:23 anyone here have a Palm Centro + Nokia 770? Apr 24 09:59:12 nomis, it might just not be getting repainted Apr 24 09:59:27 menus et all are working. Apr 24 09:59:38 ah, well maybe it doesn't do anything then :) Apr 24 10:00:06 I really wonder whats wrong with the plugin system. Feels totally b0rk to me. Apr 24 10:00:08 I'm so stoked to have skype on 770 Apr 24 10:00:49 nomis, there is a lot of stuff that they just don't ship with the SDK Apr 24 10:00:55 I have no idea why Apr 24 10:01:22 johnx: how do I get it then? I have installed the proprietary stuff. Apr 24 10:01:39 You could try to extract it from an actualy device firmware Apr 24 10:02:40 oh you're referring to more proprietary stuff. Apr 24 10:02:41 does youtube work on 770/OS2007HE? Apr 24 10:02:53 I have the impression that I miss stuff that actually makes stuff work. Apr 24 10:04:14 don't think youtube work well anywhere. Apr 24 10:04:46 there is a youtube-downloader you can use to download the youtube locally, and then play it with mplayer. Apr 24 10:11:09 does rdesktop have a virtual keyboard? Apr 24 10:11:30 if you use xvkbd or xkbd.. :) Apr 24 10:15:12 i ended up using window's built in on screen keyboard Apr 24 10:15:33 that will work too Apr 24 10:15:36 :) Apr 24 10:18:45 I get tons of "hildon-desktop[5951]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Plugin desktop file not found, ignoring plugin" Apr 24 10:18:55 I wonder where it is looking for these. Apr 24 10:20:22 does OS2007HE support ajax? Apr 24 10:21:29 in the opera web browser? yes, I believe so to a certain extent Apr 24 10:38:55 KotCzarny, are you around still Apr 24 10:39:33 johnx: Trying out your nice debian distro... Can't get the n810 hw keyboard to work, any hints? Apr 24 10:40:07 did you already see the file to copy on the wiki? Apr 24 10:40:14 it's in the status section I think Apr 24 10:40:21 * johnx checks back Apr 24 10:41:20 and after that you might have to restart the x server and hildon-desktop Apr 24 10:42:00 ok! I'll try, thanks! Apr 24 10:43:30 unfortunately I don't have an N810 to test with, but with a bit of poking my usb keyboard works on my n800 Apr 24 11:39:14 johnx: btw, you might be interested in http://git.pingu.fi/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=hald-addon-retu-adc.git for the N8x0-debian. It makes the battery show up in HAL so for example gnome-power-manager can show the battery status (even if it is pretty raw data currently, I haven't really made any processing for it yet) Apr 24 11:40:06 zuh: very cool!! Apr 24 11:40:59 It's not, the values need to be polled :/ Apr 24 11:41:00 zuh: you should poke guillem to get this included as standard. Apr 24 11:41:31 woo! thanks for the heads up Apr 24 11:41:49 robtaylor: included where?-) Apr 24 11:42:07 zuh: ah, hmm, i guess there's not really a way around that :/ Apr 24 11:42:44 zuh: next OSSO release Apr 24 11:44:18 zuh: just have a suitably long poll period, like 20 seconds Apr 24 11:44:41 There would be, is someone (presumably bme or something) didn't reserve the user-side IRQ notifications... It doesn't matter a lot for the actual level (who cares if it updates only once per minute?). Apr 24 11:45:04 But for the charger connection indication it would be nice Apr 24 11:45:36 zuh: yeah, that's true. There is the option of talking to bme. i believe its exposed on the system bus Apr 24 11:46:02 either way, this is hot sauce! I knew I was right not to bother going poking around in the power/battery management code Apr 24 11:46:12 I'm reading values once per minute, and averaging 10 samples taken over two seconds Apr 24 11:46:34 zuh: yeah, i just took a proper look. That doesn't sound too bad at all. Apr 24 11:48:05 (10 samples over one second it seems, duh) Apr 24 11:52:05 robtaylor: And, if I could just talk to the bme, I wouldn't bother poking the cryptic values from some ADC registers :) Apr 24 11:53:07 yeah, sometimes I really want to smack Nokia over some of this stuff :| Apr 24 11:57:05 It _would_ be nice to know what the figures that it outputs actually mean, but fortunately for basic operation you just need to know approximate max and min values and current level Apr 24 11:58:19 And since the data is not going to be too accurate anyway, a simple approach of "healthy", "low" and "go get the cable" -levels of battery state works for me Apr 24 11:59:19 better than bubkus at least Apr 24 12:04:39 zuh: have you tried sniffing the system bus? Apr 24 12:09:26 hii... im playing iradio using gnomevfssrc on N810... i want to retrieve the iradio-title property of the current playing track,,,, can anyone help me .... Apr 24 12:09:30 any pointers.... Apr 24 12:10:26 soman: might be better asking on #gstreamer Apr 24 12:15:55 robtaylor: the point is that the thing forwarding stuff from bme to dbus isn't open, and there's no real point in using this on maemo since it already has battery management Apr 24 12:19:00 The addon is intended for custom rootfs stuff. I don't know if one could tap in with the bme<->bme-dbus-proxy communication, but whatever it may be, I doubt it makes any more sense than the readings from retu without documentation Apr 24 12:19:26 I don't even know how the two pieces communicate... Apr 24 12:20:29 I'm not really interested either, I'll take undocumented open driver over undocumented proprietary software any day :P Apr 24 12:21:20 I still have to log retu values on debian and see if it charges the same as under ITOS Apr 24 12:22:24 Running KotCzarny's kcbatt it seems like it wasn't charging that fast (and sometimes was actually losing charge under heavy load), but I haven't done any scientific studies yet... Apr 24 12:24:16 johnx: but bme from initfs was running i suppose?! Apr 24 12:24:58 yup Apr 24 12:25:24 it was mostly charging, I might have just caught it during a switch to heavy load Apr 24 12:26:21 hmm yeah i can't imagine the bme-dbus-proxy does something special but talking to the bme socket and translating this to dbus Apr 24 12:27:32 and it would be really sick if the battery statusbar did something to change charging behaviour Apr 24 12:27:41 heh Apr 24 12:27:45 I'm not that paranoid Apr 24 13:38:03 ouch ... look at this : WILLCOM D4 (WS016SH SHARP) Apr 24 13:38:41 it s the size of an n8xx with the power of an umpc ! Apr 24 13:39:15 http://blog.geekstuff4u.com/index.php?2008/04/15/16-willcom-d4-sharp-ws016sh-after-hands-on-we-sell-it-and-you-can-buy-it-full-review-soon Apr 24 13:39:21 wow. if you disable auto-update and fix the cache, Minefield starts up as fast as Microb. Apr 24 13:40:56 hum ... microb isn't really fast to start Apr 24 13:42:03 pricey Apr 24 13:43:10 Khertan, pricey, lots bigger, and will almost certainly have poor battery life Apr 24 13:43:34 johnx, and ugly Apr 24 13:47:23 D4s are so expensive Apr 24 13:48:11 and huge: http://sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/12348-WILLCOM-D4-WS016SH-SHARP-vs-Nokia-N810 Apr 24 13:48:41 Eh Apr 24 13:48:44 Size is okay Apr 24 13:49:14 no way will this fit in my pocket Apr 24 13:49:32 Yeah, it won't Apr 24 13:49:52 but if I get it, I wouldn't get it to replace my N800 Apr 24 13:50:08 so i can take a eee or hp mini in the first place Apr 24 13:50:41 and save loads of bucks :) Apr 24 13:51:00 HP minis are expensive for what you get Apr 24 13:51:37 its ok if you take the cheap linux models Apr 24 13:52:10 esp. compared to umpc prices Apr 24 13:53:53 I'm spoiled Apr 24 13:54:08 I'll probably never be able to push myself to buy a full laptop Apr 24 13:54:22 heh Apr 24 13:54:49 * johnx hugs his collection of arm-linux devices Apr 24 13:54:57 Too much bulk and power to do simple tasks Apr 24 13:55:46 the eee pricerange of mini-laptops are great for your average linux user Apr 24 13:55:48 Toshiba R500 Apr 24 13:56:14 1kg, 0.76", runs XP or Vista Apr 24 13:56:34 price? Apr 24 13:56:35 but that's a totally different class of machine Apr 24 13:56:35 :P Apr 24 13:56:45 Something like $1800 I guess Apr 24 13:56:46 $1700+ says google Apr 24 13:56:56 and a 12" screen Apr 24 13:57:02 If you want a laptop, buy yourself a laptop Apr 24 13:57:06 exactly Apr 24 13:57:13 Why buy cheaper replacements like EEE? Apr 24 13:57:21 and if all you need is a $500 "internet terminal" why spend $1700 Apr 24 13:57:32 otoh if you want a cheap mini-laptop, buy yourself a cheap mini-laptop Apr 24 13:57:38 like I said, a whole different class of machine Apr 24 13:57:45 It will still be a laptop though Apr 24 13:58:02 I.e. too big to carry in your pocket, have to open it to work, etc Apr 24 13:58:47 johnx, u haxxored ur eee? Apr 24 13:58:48 So, why not just pay the full price and buy the real thing, especially considering that it is about the same size? Apr 24 13:58:51 still a laptop yeah, just like a honda civic and a ferrari are both cars... Apr 24 13:59:01 Navi, no eee here :) Apr 24 13:59:06 Oh, really? Apr 24 13:59:19 EEE vs Toshiba is more like Yugo vs Honda Civic Apr 24 13:59:22 I saw engadget mention a "johnx" :/ Apr 24 13:59:30 RST38h, let's see "Why not spend $1200 you don't have to?" Apr 24 13:59:39 Navi, probably a different johnx. Apr 24 13:59:44 johnx: Bigger screen for example Apr 24 13:59:49 Someone steallz0rz ur name Apr 24 13:59:56 I set my Minefield home to Google Reader and just use it for that.. it runs much more responsively. Apr 24 14:00:01 RST38h, and if the bigger screen is undesirable? Apr 24 14:00:20 RST38h, right which is fine if a bigger screen and faster CPU is worth $1200 Apr 24 14:00:22 to you Apr 24 14:00:24 Navi: I can't think of a situation where bigger screen is undesirable (with the same external size) Apr 24 14:00:36 If it costs 1200 extra, yeah. Apr 24 14:00:44 MSI Wind Apr 24 14:01:02 it's all a question of priorities. Would I rather have an 8" screen and $1200 or a 12" screen Apr 24 14:01:12 $1200 buys a lot of beer... Apr 24 14:01:18 well i think in dpi not in inch .. Apr 24 14:01:23 It buys a lot of internets Apr 24 14:01:33 http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=194 Apr 24 14:01:44 or an M14 Apr 24 14:01:48 HP Mini-style keyboard without the VIA Apr 24 14:02:03 8.9" 1024x600 instead of 1280x768 though. Apr 24 14:02:04 Navi, good point actually. $1200 would go a long way towards unlimited 3G data for a year or two at least... Apr 24 14:02:43 the real point is, all these mini everythings get craptastic battery life, because x86 is a craptastic platform Apr 24 14:02:54 maybe they'll be interesting in a few years :-P Apr 24 14:02:56 ^truth^ Apr 24 14:03:06 My parent's laptop's battery is almost dead Apr 24 14:03:09 MSI Wind is Atom.. Apr 24 14:03:14 it can run 10 minutes on a full charge \o/ Apr 24 14:03:22 anyways, I'm out Apr 24 14:03:30 the 9cell in my old toshiba P4 beater laptop is almost toast as well Apr 24 14:03:46 http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1440 Apr 24 14:05:00 hm this msi thingy seems to have microsoft taxes Apr 24 14:05:00 hyperthreading is all well and good, except when it actually makes things slower... Apr 24 14:05:26 MSI or not, June is when the Atom-based chipsets start rolling out.. Apr 24 14:05:29 still an modern arm based notebook would be nice Apr 24 14:05:40 and will get you the biggest performance/battery boosts Apr 24 14:05:53 we'll see Apr 24 14:06:05 * elb bets it'll be more craptastic x86 battery "boost" Apr 24 14:06:14 "woo woo 4 whole hours!" Apr 24 14:06:39 4 hours would be spectacular compared to the 2 you can expect now. Apr 24 14:07:15 and still worthless Apr 24 14:07:32 why worthless? Apr 24 14:07:47 it's not like you need to keep it awake all the time in your pocket. Apr 24 14:08:07 yes, but any time you wake it up you're thinking "oh hmmm do I really want to do this ... when is my next charge?" Apr 24 14:08:29 x86 is simply an inappropriate platform for mobile devices, at least with state of the art technology Apr 24 14:08:57 I'd love to see the G3-era PowerPC resurrected on modern fabrication for laptops Apr 24 14:09:35 or the return of ARM laptops Apr 24 14:09:36 yes, and it's only a matter of time before it is appropriate. regardless of the level of appropriateness, Atom is the first valid play by Intel into this space. Apr 24 14:10:31 Atom-based stuff will be bigger, more expensive, and more power hungry than ARM Apr 24 14:10:41 definitely Apr 24 14:10:43 without a doubt Apr 24 14:10:46 And the only advantage you get is the ability to run Microsoft Office Apr 24 14:10:54 you get Ubuntu Mobile Apr 24 14:10:59 I was all pumped up when Intel bought ARM that they might start pushing it for mobile devices Apr 24 14:10:59 So, I do not see what everybody is so excited about Apr 24 14:11:12 and the ability to run everything without hacking assembler. Apr 24 14:11:14 What does Ubuntu Mobile do that Maemo does not? Apr 24 14:11:14 it's not like you can't just compile ubuntu mobile for arm Apr 24 14:11:18 it's 90%+ Debian Apr 24 14:11:26 open? Apr 24 14:11:39 What does it open? Apr 24 14:11:59 his point is that it is open Apr 24 14:12:04 honestly, I only care about being able to access the standard Ubuntu repos. Apr 24 14:12:18 I asked what it does, not what it is Apr 24 14:12:37 it gives us back control, what the hell else does it do? Apr 24 14:12:47 I care a lot more about the open-ness of the hardware anyways Apr 24 14:12:48 this isn't a religious war. Apr 24 14:12:56 Is that all it does? Apr 24 14:13:09 Atom is catching up to where ARM is now. ARM is going to advance themselves. Apr 24 14:13:12 RST38h, yeah, all open source *anywhere* does is give the user control Apr 24 14:13:21 it offers approximately 6.02*10^23 times more immediately installable packages Apr 24 14:13:30 Well, as a user I don't care about control Apr 24 14:13:37 I have enough control with Maemo Apr 24 14:13:39 it's just about the packages and ease of grabbing/compiling anything x86 Apr 24 14:13:43 jesus christ Apr 24 14:13:46 good. Apr 24 14:13:51 I'm glad someone is happy with that. Apr 24 14:14:05 Ok, let us say I compile GIMP for Ubuntu Mobile Apr 24 14:14:19 'just for Microsoft apps' Apr 24 14:14:19 How useful is it going to be on a 6" screen? Apr 24 14:14:27 depends on what you need it for Apr 24 14:14:31 useful enough Apr 24 14:14:37 useful as it would be on any ARM machine of that same size Apr 24 14:14:53 only not for as long ;-) Apr 24 14:15:00 "it's opening ... hmmm crap battery died" Apr 24 14:15:01 right Apr 24 14:15:02 haha Apr 24 14:15:07 Yes, but why would I want stuff like this on a 6" screen? Apr 24 14:15:08 it s a 5"Screen Apr 24 14:15:16 obviously you wouldn;t Apr 24 14:15:19 so I don't even know why you ask. Apr 24 14:15:25 [aside from it being "open" - I don't care whether it is open or closed] Apr 24 14:15:39 I'd love to have urxvt on my 6" screen Apr 24 14:15:43 I use my N800 to upload from digital camera to flickr. Apr 24 14:15:48 fysa: But I hope you see my point now? Apr 24 14:16:01 no, you have NO point. your point is purely based on personal preferene. Apr 24 14:16:03 preference. Apr 24 14:16:08 my point is based on the obvious advance of technology. Apr 24 14:16:14 Ok, I guess I will have ot spell it out Apr 24 14:16:14 x86 is a virus. Apr 24 14:16:20 I don't care what you think about openness. Apr 24 14:16:25 Or whether GIMP is useful. Apr 24 14:16:35 Propellerheads Reason. Apr 24 14:16:51 My point is that if you are not an "open source advocate" and not a Linux hacker, then it makes no difference whether you have got Maemo or Ubuntu Mobile Apr 24 14:16:52 I would love to be able to run this in my pocket and connect it to a USB keyboard. Apr 24 14:17:01 has anyone got kismet working on 2008os? Apr 24 14:17:10 it makes EVEN MORE DIFFERENCE! Apr 24 14:17:18 think of how many more emulators and games we would have with x86. Apr 24 14:17:22 more quickly. Apr 24 14:17:26 everything matters. Apr 24 14:17:27 Not really Apr 24 14:17:31 we would have webkit already. Apr 24 14:17:36 and think of how fast that battery could die under gaming load ;-) Apr 24 14:17:37 we would have a usable firefox already. Apr 24 14:17:46 yes, it will all die sooner. Apr 24 14:17:51 And we do not have a usable firefox at the oment? Apr 24 14:17:56 platform isn't holding back firefox Apr 24 14:17:58 hildon might be Apr 24 14:18:02 MicroB is quite usable Apr 24 14:18:05 liar. Apr 24 14:18:07 RST38h: and it's not firefox Apr 24 14:18:12 but it will have more chance of being a 'portable' desktop. Apr 24 14:18:13 And there is upcoming Fennec Apr 24 14:18:20 does ubuntu mobile run on N8X0 ? Apr 24 14:18:20 who is a liar? Apr 24 14:18:22 with portable x86, I can plug it into my monitor and a keyboard. Apr 24 14:18:29 MicroB is quite usable Apr 24 14:18:30 are you suggesting that firefox doesn't compile and run on ARM? Apr 24 14:18:30 microb uses a whopping amount of 200MB+ virtual ram at times, for me. Apr 24 14:18:40 I am using Minefield now, elb. Apr 24 14:18:42 ...which is a wee bit too much. Apr 24 14:18:44 elb: well, it uses the same engine, can run some of the extensions, so for all practical purposes it is firefox :) Apr 24 14:18:48 Because it loads faster and uses comparative memory to MicroB. Apr 24 14:18:49 are you suggesting that ARM isn't capable of running USB devices or external displays? Apr 24 14:18:51 with the standard bullshit interface. Apr 24 14:19:05 fysa: And you can't plug ARM into your monitor and keyboard? Apr 24 14:19:08 of course not, but coincidentally, x86 can run the exact same OS that I would otherwise use on the desktop. Apr 24 14:19:10 don't confuse "the nokia internet tablets" with "the arm architecture", nor "some umpc" with "the x86 architecture" Apr 24 14:19:35 RST38h: actually, for *my* practical purposes, it doesn't run an extension I need and use Apr 24 14:19:39 fysa: So, you want Atom to run Windows? Apr 24 14:19:41 RST38h: (PwdHash) Apr 24 14:19:42 there's no reason I couldn't run regular Ubuntu on the x86 and plug it into my desktop with the same $HOME as Ubuntu Mobile in mobile mode. Apr 24 14:20:08 sorry, plug it into my monitor as a desktop replacement. Apr 24 14:20:10 elb: Well, it is a truncated version indeed Apr 24 14:20:14 I dare you to use an N800 or N810 as a desktop replacement. Apr 24 14:20:24 I have tried it. Apr 24 14:20:26 they're not meant to be Apr 24 14:20:31 and that's not an arm vs x86 problem Apr 24 14:20:32 Why would I use N810 as a desktop replacement? I have my Toshibna for that Apr 24 14:20:36 well. it's been my only home machine for a month now. Apr 24 14:20:36 don't try to paint it like it is :-) Apr 24 14:20:44 well x86 brings much closed source software - so this is the only practical advantage Apr 24 14:20:51 ...but I'm way behind on spare-time projects :) Apr 24 14:20:54 I ran a non-x86 laptop for a very long time, with no troubles Apr 24 14:21:15 certainly not Apr 24 14:21:34 the x86 hegemony matters very little in the open source world, except that it hampers availability of good platforms Apr 24 14:21:40 if ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better? Apr 24 14:21:44 I am, however, considering using the n810 as my only at-home-mobile computer. Apr 24 14:21:55 if we lived in that unrealistic dream world, I wouldn't care Apr 24 14:21:58 it matters gobs. there is still a ton of machine language embedded out there. Apr 24 14:22:06 anyway. Apr 24 14:22:10 and that machine language doesn't matter Apr 24 14:22:10 >> if ARM and x86 had the same power requirements and performance, why would ARM be better? Apr 24 14:22:23 ...until the EEE arrives here in Norway, I know I'll never be able to resist one ;P Apr 24 14:22:24 "anyway", I already answered that hypothetical question Apr 24 14:22:39 with a bullshit answer. Apr 24 14:22:44 fysa: ARM has a better architecture Apr 24 14:22:44 how so? Apr 24 14:22:51 if they had the same performance, I wouldn't care Apr 24 14:22:53 you answered by ignoring it. Apr 24 14:22:54 how is that bullshit? Apr 24 14:23:01 whatevef. Apr 24 14:23:04 they *don't* have the same performance and power requirements Apr 24 14:23:06 so I *do* care Apr 24 14:23:13 and x86 is *junk* on the power requirements front Apr 24 14:23:15 not. for. long. Apr 24 14:23:23 if ARM was 1000x faster than any x86, why would x86 be better? Apr 24 14:23:24 maybe, people have been saying that for decades Apr 24 14:23:27 WHAT Apr 24 14:23:30 no way. Apr 24 14:23:38 and the competition keeps getting better as fast as x86 does Apr 24 14:23:42 I have worked in the embedded field for decades Apr 24 14:23:45 (faster, even) Apr 24 14:23:52 it's always been about 68k and arm. Apr 24 14:24:17 don't confuse "good enough" with "as good as the competition", which I think you're about to do Apr 24 14:24:24 x86 programming model is badly outdated Apr 24 14:24:26 anyway, there's no reasoning with fanboys Apr 24 14:24:34 enjoy your x86 umpcs, I'll wait for a real computer :-) Apr 24 14:24:44 arm fanboys Apr 24 14:24:49 (if it's x86, more power to it ... I'll buy it all the same) Apr 24 14:24:57 actually, I don't care about arm Apr 24 14:24:59 and its internal architecture spends A LOT of effort to map that outdated model onto contemporary hadrware Apr 24 14:25:03 I could give a shit about the CPU if it had power, but Nokia decided to torture us longer with this bullshit. Apr 24 14:25:05 I care about battery life Apr 24 14:25:17 it just so *happens* that ARM is where battery life is right now Apr 24 14:25:19 ARM is pretty simple internally Apr 24 14:25:27 if I were picking based on architecture, I'd pick PPC hands down Apr 24 14:25:35 And this, by the way, is why it requires less power Apr 24 14:25:39 they don't want to spend on integrating the new chipset, they don't want to spend on optimizing for the old chipset. Apr 24 14:25:44 RST38h: don't confuse this issue with facts Apr 24 14:25:53 we have FEELINGS here Apr 24 14:25:58 why does complexity matter? Apr 24 14:26:09 leakage power Apr 24 14:26:16 the only thing that matters: 1) does it work 2) is it usable Apr 24 14:26:19 elb: This is nothing prozac can't fix Apr 24 14:26:21 if you're at all familiar with semiconductor design Apr 24 14:26:24 we barely have #2 right now Apr 24 14:26:35 it's a game of leapfrog. Apr 24 14:26:38 it always will be. Apr 24 14:26:43 your definition of usable must differ from mine Apr 24 14:26:44 there will always be more leakage today than tomorrow. Apr 24 14:26:53 leakage depends on manufacturing tech Apr 24 14:27:08 and greater complexity means more gates, which means more leakage Apr 24 14:27:13 and eventually ARM will have a CPU that lasts a week on full usage Apr 24 14:27:15 regardless of that technology Apr 24 14:27:21 and we will have x86 variants that last 5 days on full usage Apr 24 14:27:31 x86 is a virus. Apr 24 14:27:38 it will unfortunately prevail. Apr 24 14:27:39 I'd buy an x86 that lasted 12 hours of full usage Apr 24 14:27:42 I'm not a fan of the architecture. Apr 24 14:27:43 I don't need 5 days Apr 24 14:27:58 fysa: whatever mate Apr 24 14:28:00 I'm a fan of not having to spend days in scratchbox grabbing and compiling everything. Apr 24 14:28:27 * RST38h has not spent a minute in scratchbox until now Apr 24 14:28:41 I just go and download stuff, a lot of packages are available Apr 24 14:28:42 then obviously that is why you have no idea what you or I am talking about, RST38h, good day. Apr 24 14:29:00 yeah maemo is a pain Apr 24 14:29:09 but again, that's not architecture, so much Apr 24 14:29:28 If he means recompiling for Hildon, then he will have the same problems with Ubuntu Mobile Apr 24 14:29:32 I have been nerding around compiling, building, screwing around in Linux for over a decade.. and I don't want to have to do this for the device I rely on for day-to-day work. Apr 24 14:29:34 yes Apr 24 14:29:36 hmm, 2 4GB cards in my N800, woho :) now i just hope they dont corrupt ;) Apr 24 14:29:41 Maybe a different framework, but the same problems Apr 24 14:29:48 no, less problems! Apr 24 14:29:55 fysa: You should have paid attention to other things Apr 24 14:29:56 mplayer would just compile. many games would just compile. Apr 24 14:30:03 Nature, you know, women... Apr 24 14:30:09 hildon will still be nonstandard Apr 24 14:30:12 L O L ! Apr 24 14:30:19 I've compiled several straight up x11 apps for maemo with no problem Apr 24 14:30:20 Compiling Linux for a decade - this sounds harsh Apr 24 14:30:22 Ubuntu Mobile uses hildon. Apr 24 14:30:33 ... but they don't work right, becuase they don't know about the funky-ass windowing, menuing, etc. Apr 24 14:31:31 anyway. I will have my cake and eat it too. Apr 24 14:31:35 and so will all of you. Apr 24 14:31:38 whether you like it or not. Apr 24 14:32:05 elb, straight-up x11 apps is usually decent. Apr 24 14:32:17 I would be just as happy on ARM if I could get 1GHz and 256 - 512MB RAM. Apr 24 14:32:40 I just need enough for a dozen or two tabs and a few ssh sessions. Apr 24 14:32:48 (tabs in Firefox) Apr 24 14:33:33 yeah, more ram would be really great. Apr 24 14:34:07 (but unfortunately also drains power) Apr 24 14:34:07 ram these days seems to be more important then cpu really... Apr 24 14:34:14 yes, the current CPU isn't even horrible. Apr 24 14:34:22 it's just that you breathe on the device and you're swapping Apr 24 14:34:24 :) Apr 24 14:35:42 oh i would not go that far. but there are some webpages that seems to love eating ram... Apr 24 14:36:15 most of them are some variant on those fancy ajax interfaces btw... Apr 24 14:38:22 well if you only browse it's "acceptable" - trouble starts if you begin to multitask (im, pdf, editor etc) Apr 24 14:39:35 I don't get why this guy just doesn't buy himself a regular small laptop Apr 24 14:39:49 me? I am. Apr 24 14:39:55 but it still doesn't fit in my pocket. Apr 24 14:39:57 Would fit his needs perfectly Apr 24 14:40:12 Well, it will not Apr 24 14:40:23 But you definitely want a laptop with complete Ubuntu Linux on it Apr 24 14:40:35 sure. as soon as the Atom-based mini laptops are out, I am on it. Apr 24 14:40:48 You don't want a resource constrained pad with a tiny screen and no keyboard Apr 24 14:41:02 But why wait for Atom? Just buy youself a Centrino based laptop Apr 24 14:41:18 Atom is almost twice as fast for the same power consumption.. Apr 24 14:41:30 give or take I'm sure. Apr 24 14:41:33 Atom is a PentiumI Apr 24 14:41:40 Centrino is Pentium3, basically Apr 24 14:41:51 Pentium M Apr 24 14:41:51 Don't tell me Atom is faster :) Apr 24 14:42:04 Pentium M = Pentium 3 Apr 24 14:42:20 The Israeli design Apr 24 14:42:23 Atom is next Centrino. Apr 24 14:42:26 Centrino Atom. Apr 24 14:42:30 for the same power consumption is the key word Apr 24 14:42:38 s/word/phrase/ Apr 24 14:42:39 johnx meant: for the same power consumption is the key phrase Apr 24 14:43:03 HP Mini is VIA with poor video Apr 24 14:43:07 otherwise I think it looks gorgeous. Apr 24 14:43:13 EEE is Celeron M Apr 24 14:43:27 with better video, but horrible keyboard Apr 24 14:44:00 so you want core2quad M with goforce9 and 12h work on battery? Apr 24 14:44:02 MSI Wind (or whatever -- there are a dozen similar devices coming out after June) has a decent CPU and decent video Apr 24 14:44:27 GMA950 would be fine Apr 24 14:44:51 HP Mini uses some VIA Chrome9 chipset. Apr 24 14:45:19 if the HP Mini had the Celeron and GMA950, I would be all over it. Apr 24 14:45:23 I hear the keyboard is wonderful to type on.. Apr 24 14:45:44 celeronM lack cpufreq support Apr 24 14:45:53 oh yes, that too. Apr 24 14:46:05 http://gizmodo.com/365720/msi-wind-laptop-to-make-eee-pc-cry-eeek Apr 24 14:46:18 my wife has celeron 420/430 based laptop and it suxx - fan works most of time Apr 24 14:46:38 my pentium M based laptop is nearly quiet when idle Apr 24 14:46:53 hi Apr 24 14:47:08 I'm thinking of getting an old Pentium M laptop to replace my current home linux server Apr 24 14:47:15 trying to get sip calls working with the N810 for the first time Apr 24 14:47:25 Failing miserably :( Apr 24 14:47:33 fysa: Dell D400 is nice if you do not want to run on battery Apr 24 14:47:58 wow. $338. Apr 24 14:48:03 perfect Apr 24 14:48:32 fysa: pentium M 1.4-1.7, 2 ddr1 so-dimm slots Apr 24 14:48:36 PC Card? Apr 24 14:48:43 pcmcia III - yes Apr 24 14:48:58 minipci slot with broadcom 4306 wifi Apr 24 14:49:13 would just need to figure out the best way to plug it into an external RAID enclosure.. Apr 24 14:49:41 Anyone here gotten it working with freephonie.net and can help me out with the right SIP settings? Apr 24 14:49:58 PC Card eSATA with port multiplier support Apr 24 14:50:08 into enclosure with built-in port multiplier Apr 24 14:50:21 is what I'm thinking.. Apr 24 14:51:33 http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=2988 Apr 24 14:52:52 http://www.directron.com/cfib4043pmgg.html Apr 24 14:53:10 I think that should work. Apr 24 14:53:13 slow... Apr 24 14:53:26 whyy not usb2? Apr 24 14:53:34 eSATA faster than USB2.. Apr 24 14:53:35 or firewire? Apr 24 14:53:45 or pcmcia III slow? Apr 24 14:53:45 pcmcia is slow Apr 24 14:54:40 then probably firewire would be the way to go.. Apr 24 15:06:50 back Apr 24 15:06:54 fysa: Atom is Pentium1 Apr 24 15:07:18 fysa: So whatever marketing term you have heard, it is STILL Pentium1, not Pentium3 like Centrino Apr 24 15:08:03 who cares? Apr 24 15:09:13 it's superseding Conroe L. Apr 24 15:09:25 which is Core based. Apr 24 15:10:10 and will have a 1.8GHz dual-core variant. Apr 24 15:10:40 but that really has nothing to do with anything. Apr 24 15:11:02 Atom is not superceding anything Apr 24 15:11:14 whatever Apr 24 15:11:22 It is a parallel line designed for small cheap devices Apr 24 15:11:22 maybe you have a different version of Wikipedia than I do. Apr 24 15:11:32 fysa, I work for Intel. Apr 24 15:11:39 I love IRC fights! Apr 24 15:12:03 then maybe you should get back to work. we aren't even having the same discussion. Apr 24 15:15:06 * jott hand qwerty12 some crispy atom chips Apr 24 15:15:20 Yum Apr 24 15:18:07 fysa: straight up x11 apps don't seem to create an application icon, or accept input from the keyboard properly Apr 24 15:19:46 re Apr 24 15:23:47 <||cw> Atom will be using some things that intel has been using conroe Celerons in, but they were using them there only because that was their lowest power they got Apr 24 15:24:48 <||cw> wow that was some bad english... Apr 24 15:25:32 it´s ok, you´re on irc Apr 24 15:25:41 I @\/\/@R|) u 5 $T@R$ Apr 24 15:25:56 <||cw> atom doesn't supercede anything, but it wil lower demand for the celerons Apr 24 15:26:30 <||cw> as well as enter a market Intel just can't play in right now Apr 24 15:26:51 it´s intel finally admiting that their might just be something to this whole ¨embedded¨ thing Apr 24 15:28:52 Intel will enter a market and make itself a niche Apr 24 15:29:10 Will probably blow Geodes and at least some VIAs out of it Apr 24 15:29:26 <||cw> johnx: as long as x86 can be there, yes Apr 24 15:29:53 <||cw> RST38h: the new via is as good, and maybe a little better, than Atom Apr 24 15:30:04 But as far as mobile devices go, the current Atom is no competitor Apr 24 15:30:18 cw: Yes, I have seen the tests... Apr 24 15:30:27 <||cw> http://www.eeepcnews.de/2008/04/18/intel-atom-benchmarks-via-isaiah-vergleich/ Apr 24 15:30:59 <||cw> everyone is testing on the high end, the 400Mhz area is where all the fun is Apr 24 15:32:02 only power consumption matters Apr 24 15:32:41 if you can run at 1.6GHz consuming the same power as competitor does at 400MHz, then you run at 1.6GHz Apr 24 15:33:02 <||cw> right, from the little I have, Atom can go that low power wise, but no one seems to care Apr 24 15:33:40 RST38h, but they can't Apr 24 15:34:14 yep :) Apr 24 15:34:59 at very least it will be interesting to watch as they try to cram the x86 instruction set into increasingly smaller power envelopes Apr 24 15:35:11 <||cw> so ataom can easily compete in the low power/umpc area, but can it compete with armel? Apr 24 15:35:12 they'll invent some really neat tech on the way I'm sure :( Apr 24 15:35:21 ha Apr 24 15:35:59 I'll go with no Apr 24 15:36:07 they just need to cram PI instruction set Apr 24 15:36:19 <||cw> like, what would Atom do in a high end smartphone like what runs a 600Mhz arm now Apr 24 15:36:20 And PI was made using, let's see... Apr 24 15:36:57 ||cw, what would it do? the cpu would consume a similar amount of power to a whole n800 Apr 24 15:37:08 Hehe Apr 24 15:37:20 800nm technology Apr 24 15:37:41 So, at 45nm it is real small ;) Apr 24 15:38:25 there was a good article on arstechnica comparing the atom and the next gen of arm stuff (cortex) Apr 24 15:38:38 that's worth a read if you're interested in this kind of stuff Apr 24 15:38:45 I just like watching it from the sidelines Apr 24 15:38:48 :D Apr 24 15:38:57 URL? Apr 24 15:39:16 on tablet, gimme a sec Apr 24 15:41:18 there is this: ws.ars/post/20080402-new-atom-cpu-marks-intels-baby-steps-into-embedded-world.html Apr 24 15:41:26 and there was another I think... Apr 24 15:42:49 what is ws.ars? =) Apr 24 15:43:36 errr...part of that must not have copied :/ Apr 24 15:44:11 but it's ok cause this is the one I was thinking of anyways: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080205-small-wonder-inside-intels-silverthorne-ultramobile-cpu.html Apr 24 15:48:39 Re ... Apr 24 15:48:54 hi Apr 24 15:49:24 Khertan_on_n810, so are you using xchat or pidgin (or something else)? Apr 24 15:49:32 xchat Apr 24 15:49:46 in past i ve use telepathyy Apr 24 15:49:54 johnx: I just hope every Ubuntu Mobile fanboy reads that Apr 24 15:50:09 me too. works suprisingly well. Apr 24 15:50:25 but sometimes i ve problem with connecting to freenode Apr 24 15:50:26 I use XChat on desktop (linux) and on N800, but sometimes I use BitchX. In windows, NoNameScript (mIRC) Apr 24 15:50:44 well there's nothing really x86 specific about ubuntu mobile except that it's a bit heavy in terms of memory usage for current ARM stuff Apr 24 15:51:27 hum i m upgrading one of my pc which work under ubuntu Apr 24 15:51:40 i hope repository will work Apr 24 15:51:54 I'm actually using IRC on my n800 while I watch my desktop update to hardy right now Apr 24 15:52:14 A USB keyboard makes this very nice actually :) Apr 24 15:52:24 me too but i m in the train :) Apr 24 15:52:49 ouch 800 Mo to download Apr 24 15:53:25 I torrented the alternative iso and used it as a starting point Apr 24 15:53:34 :) Apr 24 15:53:46 I've got everything downloaded and just watching dpkg chew through it all Apr 24 15:53:50 better idea than what i m doing Apr 24 15:54:08 also pick mirrors in countries where people are asleep right now :D Apr 24 15:54:08 <||cw> if all you do is install, the alt is the best Apr 24 15:54:43 Which is not the UK now :p Apr 24 15:54:44 I have two comps to update from gutsy here so it seemed like a good deal Apr 24 15:54:47 Wait, is the new Ubuntu out? Apr 24 15:54:54 yes Apr 24 15:55:04 yeah, join #ubuntu-release-party for the madness Apr 24 15:55:13 **** me, I didn't even realise. I better start updating. Apr 24 15:55:14 Thanks Apr 24 15:55:34 try taiwan for a fast mirror :) Apr 24 15:56:06 taiwan don t have fr local packages yet Apr 24 15:56:21 Thanks :). I'm just gonna use the system updater with the dist upgrade option :) Apr 24 15:57:05 so expect problem (like me) Apr 24 15:57:11 qwerty12, yeah but if you pick your source in Admin -> software sources it will probably help your download speed Apr 24 15:57:23 what the main new thing on hardy ? Apr 24 15:57:25 johnx, ahh. Thanks for that tip. Apr 24 15:57:37 firefox3 Apr 24 15:57:40 <||cw> johnx: I have 4 in my house, so I setup apt-proxy on one, works great for updates too Apr 24 15:57:41 Ndiswrapper better not shit out my system though :( Apr 24 15:57:58 <||cw> qwerty12: you aren't on the email list? Apr 24 15:57:59 hola Apr 24 15:58:03 ouch firefox 3 is release or is it an beta rc ? Apr 24 15:58:08 ||cw, Nope :) Apr 24 15:58:33 Khertan_on_n810, they're releasing with the beta, but it should be stable "real soon now" Apr 24 15:59:22 ouch google agenda api is a bit ... hum not very well thinked Apr 24 15:59:53 that's unfortunate :/ Apr 24 16:01:07 /s/thinked/thought Apr 24 16:01:07 hum connection should drop Apr 24 16:01:07 enter underway Apr 24 16:01:19 Khertan, you are always on trains :p Apr 24 16:01:44 * johnx looks forward to a bluetooth phone and unlimited data plan Apr 24 16:02:03 qwerty12, some countries have a lot of trains :P Apr 24 16:02:43 johnx, True, but everytime I see Khertan, he is always on a train :). In the UK, quite a fair bit of trains and underground system Apr 24 16:03:02 if I could IRC from my train commute I would do it all the time Apr 24 16:03:47 If I could IRC in school :/. Ah well, I've got the network dump from kismet... Apr 24 16:06:13 I IRC from school by ssh'ing home Apr 24 16:07:05 lmao Apr 24 16:07:13 normal people just use pidgin or rtcomm :D Apr 24 16:07:19 johnx: I added some docs to the retu addon, along with some data I've gathered on what the battery readings are up to in a full->empty cycle:http://git.pingu.fi/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=hald-addon-retu-adc.git;a=tree;f=docs Apr 24 16:07:30 Cptn, nope, normap people use Xterm + ssh + irssi Apr 24 16:07:39 IRC ports are blocked Apr 24 16:07:40 -p+l Apr 24 16:07:49 johnx: You seem to have time to look at it while updating your machines ;) Apr 24 16:07:50 oic Apr 24 16:08:49 Plus, I don't like pidgin/rtcomm for IRC Apr 24 16:09:08 Navi, +1. Xchat, irssi and BitchX for me. Apr 24 16:09:21 Just weechat for me. Apr 24 16:10:15 heh pidgin for irc Apr 24 16:10:15 Hmm, I think I should get an S60 phone soon. Apr 24 16:10:56 pidgin is gay but at elast it works Apr 24 16:11:02 and it does msn too Apr 24 16:11:16 * Cptnodegard waits to get flamed for using msn in the first place Apr 24 16:11:24 oh yes, it is most certainly homosexual Apr 24 16:11:37 every evening it makes the moves on all the other bits on my computer Apr 24 16:11:56 i dont liek it myself but for some reason everyone i know use it. my gtalk list is comprised of 5 people or so Apr 24 16:12:33 You beat me Apr 24 16:12:37 My jabber list is two Apr 24 16:12:57 the majority of my regular contacts are AIM, but jabber is catching up Apr 24 16:13:13 all the pidgin devs use jabber, of course Apr 24 16:13:23 <||cw> gtalk is jabber Apr 24 16:13:46 yes, I'm sure everyone in this conversation knows that Apr 24 16:14:49 people around me use msn for IM and hotmail for mail.... Apr 24 16:14:57 Cptnodegard, same here Apr 24 16:14:58 yes its not the brightest bunch Apr 24 16:15:24 I'm pleased to say that I don't correspond regularly with anyone who uses hotmail Apr 24 16:15:51 i opened up a mail on both cell, laptop and n800 (imap of course) and told this guy that when he could do that with msn (without browser) i'd stop callin ghim stupid Apr 24 16:16:48 <||cw> when I first met wife I showed her gmail and she stopped using hotmail almost immediately Apr 24 16:17:07 yeah, gmail is by far the most usable web mail application I've ever seen Apr 24 16:17:34 most people who've seen it skip directly out of hotmail Apr 24 16:17:51 still no folders though Apr 24 16:17:59 <||cw> don't need them, you have tags Apr 24 16:18:16 <||cw> and IIRC accessing gmail via imap, th tags show as folders Apr 24 16:18:30 naah, I want folders Apr 24 16:18:41 Yahoo!'s new ajax webmail is flashy and slow Apr 24 16:18:47 a habit Apr 24 16:18:53 <||cw> the search is awesome too Apr 24 16:19:00 I haven't logged into Yahoo for years and years Apr 24 16:19:09 have to admit I haven't used gmail's web ui much Apr 24 16:19:23 <||cw> use gmail search a couple times and you'll never care about folders again, or tags for that mater Apr 24 16:19:34 <||cw> I have a lot of tags, but almost never use them, I just search Apr 24 16:19:47 mostly the way I deal is based on various classes of mail with larger quiantities being filtered into specific folders Apr 24 16:19:58 which leaves the important or unkown stuff Apr 24 16:20:06 I have folders, but that's because I have a lot of email services forwarding email to my one GMail account Apr 24 16:20:14 <||cw> and the search filds stuff in chatlogs too, damned handy Apr 24 16:20:42 I set up a 'direct' tag in gmail for mail that's addressed to me directly and not from some bulk class like bugmail or such, but that doesn't catch all sorts of unknown cases Apr 24 16:20:52 i still use my hotmail... for registering on websites i know will spam me Apr 24 16:21:08 also, why does my typing suck today Apr 24 16:22:25 <||cw> Cptnodegard: add a "." in a random place in your gmail address, then filter on it Apr 24 16:22:54 <||cw> or is it prefix... Apr 24 16:23:38 Re Apr 24 16:23:45 oi Apr 24 16:24:05 procmain ftw Apr 24 16:24:09 er, procmail Apr 24 16:24:15 do u have see that a hildon.Window have a margin that a gtk.Window haven t ? Apr 24 16:25:15 <||cw> Cptnodegard: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=12096 Apr 24 16:27:13 Khertan, yes, HildonWindow has some theme definable borders around it Apr 24 16:28:08 <||cw> Cptnodegard: also http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10313&topic=13272# Apr 24 16:28:10 how can i bypass it ? Apr 24 16:28:41 i want the no space of a gtk.Window with the menu of an hildon window Apr 24 16:30:43 Khertan, hmm, I think you lose Apr 24 16:33:00 arg this suck Apr 24 16:35:09 ||cw thanks :D Apr 24 16:38:31 hum ... if it s in theme maybe i can change this withgtk.settings_get_default().set_string_property Apr 24 16:38:37 woohoo! Apr 24 16:38:49 in true linux style, realmedia videos play in anything! Apr 24 16:38:58 but of course Canola rocks my socks Apr 24 16:39:17 ^_^ Apr 24 16:40:02 Khertan, that might work, yes Apr 24 16:40:24 just need to found the right setting Apr 24 16:40:34 this will not be easy Apr 24 16:40:56 specially what they use to make this margin in hildon.Window Apr 24 16:42:08 The style property is called "borders" Apr 24 16:43:41 hi :] Apr 24 16:43:51 i see no 'border' in the ref : http://www.moeraki.com/pygtkreference/pygtk2reference/class-gtksettings.html Apr 24 16:44:15 hi k0uak Apr 24 16:45:02 i have a question about my n770, please ^^ Apr 24 16:45:06 I lost the lock code Apr 24 16:45:08 :d Apr 24 16:45:15 how I can reset it ? ^^' Apr 24 16:45:52 please :) Apr 24 16:46:01 I think there was a thread on internettablettalk.com/forums Apr 24 16:46:07 it's actually pretty hard Apr 24 16:46:26 yeah I heard that ^^ Apr 24 16:46:39 I 'm a real noob :/ I set a code and I don't remember it Apr 24 16:46:55 i don't wanna ask to nokia because they will remove a lot of money of my bank account xD Apr 24 16:47:24 It's something like reading it out of a /dev/mtd file. I'm not sure on how to do it though. Apr 24 16:47:55 ok :] Apr 24 16:48:41 i'm looking on InternetTabletTalk Apr 24 16:48:45 if they talk about that Apr 24 16:51:20 where is stored the current theme rc file on maemo ? Apr 24 16:51:31 i can access all Apr 24 16:51:32 +gtkrc Apr 24 16:51:44 i tried to restore nokia original system Apr 24 16:51:49 but 12345 doesn't work Apr 24 16:51:50 :( Apr 24 16:52:34 k0uak, it's stored outside the part of flash memory that is erased when you reflash Apr 24 16:52:44 ahw, not cool ^^ Apr 24 16:53:04 but it's accessible virtually ? Apr 24 16:53:19 or I must open it and screw&hammer all what I see ? XD Apr 24 16:53:38 it *should* be possible to read the lock code back from that part of the flash memory Apr 24 16:54:27 ok Apr 24 16:55:36 mhm Apr 24 16:55:45 I think there was a thread on maemo-users or maemo-dev Apr 24 16:55:49 how to recover the device code Apr 24 16:55:59 mhm Apr 24 16:56:00 google might find it Apr 24 16:56:30 i tried to search will all terms ^^ Apr 24 16:56:35 nokia 770 lock Apr 24 16:56:36 etc etc Apr 24 16:56:42 didn't found anything :p Apr 24 16:57:27 but i can access folders of the system with the browser Apr 24 16:57:48 k0uak: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-March/009665.html is the thread Apr 24 16:57:54 thanks mgedmin :] Apr 24 16:58:14 there is a .pwd.lock Apr 24 16:58:17 in the /etc folder Apr 24 16:58:33 Wow, I didn't know powerlaunch could retrieve the code. Great work by Austin. Apr 24 16:58:57 Powerlaunch Apr 24 16:58:58 yeah Apr 24 16:58:59 =) Apr 24 16:59:01 i'll try that Apr 24 16:59:07 even if i own a 770 ? Apr 24 16:59:29 hm Apr 24 16:59:44 i don't know how to use ssh or to install it wow XD Apr 24 16:59:44 I think old version exists for OS2007 at least. Apr 24 16:59:58 ok Apr 24 17:00:45 yeh, I just tried it. it got my lock code fine. Apr 24 17:01:15 yeah but you own a 800 No ? Apr 24 17:01:48 Yes Apr 24 17:02:35 :/ k ^^ Apr 24 17:03:24 Dunno how to install it :/ I am a real newbie on the tablet Apr 24 17:03:31 Linux/SSH/Konsole = ok Apr 24 17:03:36 but on nokia n770 don't know :/ Apr 24 17:06:21 : '( Apr 24 17:06:49 someone can help me please ? :$ Apr 24 17:07:27 k0uak, http://www.mediafire.com/?nzxedm2iykb . Save that to your memory card. get xterm and do mv /media/mmc2/powerline ~ and then cd ~ and chmod +x ~/powerline and then ./powerline getdevicelockcode Apr 24 17:07:32 Now I got to go. Apr 24 17:07:49 That is the earliest powerline binary I could find. Apr 24 17:08:07 ok =] Apr 24 17:12:34 i looked on a thread Apr 24 17:12:38 the code is maybe in Apr 24 17:12:39 or Apr 24 17:12:43 . /dev/mtd1 Apr 24 17:14:50 outch, ubuntu update lost my harddrives :) Apr 24 17:14:54 upgrade Apr 24 17:17:32 when I add a repository in the appmanager ( http://repository.maemo.org/ ) they ask me about distribution and components Apr 24 17:17:37 what must I set ? Apr 24 17:17:42 i set Distrib: mistral Apr 24 17:17:42 and Apr 24 17:17:49 COmponents : free non-free user Apr 24 17:17:52 is it right ? Apr 24 17:18:51 Depends what release you're using on your tablet Apr 24 17:19:21 user component doesn't exist there, so take that one off Apr 24 17:19:32 Nokia os 2006 3.2006.49-2 Apr 24 17:19:39 ok Apr 24 17:20:23 Erm, my memory is failing me, but I would guess that is scirocco, not mistral Apr 24 17:20:28 But mistral should work just as well Apr 24 17:20:54 ok Apr 24 17:21:04 but repository isn't working ^^' Apr 24 17:21:08 yep Apr 24 17:21:11 ok Apr 24 17:21:16 when it will be back ? ^^ Apr 24 17:21:27 oh it works Apr 24 17:21:28 but slow Apr 24 17:21:30 really slow Apr 24 17:21:31 : D Apr 24 17:22:39 gregale was the latest in the OS2007 family, no? Apr 24 17:22:48 mistral, scirocco, gregale Apr 24 17:22:57 er, OS2006 Apr 24 17:23:01 bora is 2007 Apr 24 17:23:01 hi Apr 24 17:23:09 so i set Web adress : http://repository.maeomo.Org Apr 24 17:23:14 Distribution : mistral Apr 24 17:23:19 Composants : no things Apr 24 17:23:20 maeOmo? Apr 24 17:23:25 sorry Apr 24 17:23:25 ^^' Apr 24 17:23:27 components: free non-free Apr 24 17:23:31 ok :] Apr 24 17:23:38 my fingers were crossing Apr 24 17:23:47 why do you want the SDK repository on the device? Apr 24 17:24:14 anyway, remember that some of the SDK package won't work on the real device (e.g. busybox), so things like apt-get upgrade will break your system Apr 24 17:24:21 for that : http://maemo.org/community/wiki/installssh2006/ Apr 24 17:24:22 nowadays I stick with maemo extras Apr 24 17:24:31 k0uak: that's ancient! Apr 24 17:24:36 there is openssh in maemo extras Apr 24 17:24:39 ... isn't there? Apr 24 17:24:41 sorry ^^' Apr 24 17:25:02 but i don't know how to install maemo Apr 24 17:25:16 just a second, maemo.org is slow... Apr 24 17:25:20 ok Apr 24 17:25:27 sorry for being a real noob :$ Apr 24 17:25:38 look here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/openssh/ Apr 24 17:25:44 thanks Apr 24 17:25:46 sorry for not keeping all of maemo.org up-to-date Apr 24 17:25:54 no problem :] Apr 24 17:26:27 best way to install apps: the green "click to install" icons on http://maemo.org/downloads Apr 24 17:26:30 okl Apr 24 17:26:34 from opera ? Apr 24 17:26:42 yes, from the device's browser Apr 24 17:26:46 ok thanks :D Apr 24 17:26:48 (either opera or microb, both support it) Apr 24 17:26:56 a real real thanks Apr 24 17:26:58 (although OS2006 maybe didn't have microb) Apr 24 17:26:58 :) Apr 24 17:27:00 you rock Apr 24 17:28:13 IF u need a dedicated server for maemo (for free) Apr 24 17:28:14 ask Apr 24 17:28:16 :) Apr 24 17:28:45 Opera says : "Unable to do a secured transaction (url...)" Apr 24 17:28:48 when i click install Apr 24 17:29:55 weird Apr 24 17:30:07 in that case, you can do it manually Apr 24 17:30:20 repository URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras Apr 24 17:30:26 distribution: gregale Apr 24 17:30:31 components: free non-free Apr 24 17:30:41 once you add this, you'll see openssh in the app installer list Apr 24 17:30:50 ok :] Apr 24 17:30:53 thanks ! Apr 24 17:30:57 i try that Apr 24 17:31:01 which os2006 version do you have? Apr 24 17:31:07 if it's not the latest one, perhaps you should upgrade? Apr 24 17:31:23 control panel -> device -> about shows the version Apr 24 17:31:52 i said before : Nokia os 2006 3.2006.49-2 Apr 24 17:32:14 yes, it's the latest Apr 24 17:33:06 :) Apr 24 17:33:32 (i used nokia update tool tomorrow for flash it it download most recent version) Apr 24 17:34:28 I tend to ignore irc backlog and jump into the middle of a discussion -- life's too short... Apr 24 17:34:40 ok ^^ Apr 24 17:34:44 no problem Apr 24 17:34:45 :] Apr 24 17:34:52 It's currently upgrading sources list Apr 24 17:34:57 "Downloading 6 kb" Apr 24 17:36:10 stays on 6 kb Apr 24 17:36:17 maybe bcz maemo servs are saturated ? Apr 24 17:36:17 ah Apr 24 17:36:18 works Apr 24 17:36:19 :] Apr 24 17:36:53 yeah :D Apr 24 17:36:56 i have tools now Apr 24 17:36:56 =) Apr 24 17:36:57 so Apr 24 17:37:27 openssh Apr 24 17:37:35 put entire sentences on one line Apr 24 17:37:55 ok sorry -- opeenssh + openssh-client + openssh-server ? Apr 24 17:47:08 openssh install stays blocked at ~90 % :/ Apr 24 17:47:11 "Installing" Apr 24 17:47:31 worked.. Apr 24 17:48:12 happens sometimes Apr 24 17:48:16 ok =) Apr 24 17:48:22 k0uak, it likely generates keys there Apr 24 17:48:28 k0uak, it takes a while Apr 24 17:48:28 ah, that too Apr 24 17:48:35 ^ Apr 24 17:48:36 so now I've installed openSSH i can login like with putty ? Apr 24 17:48:42 like yes Apr 24 17:48:46 ok :] Apr 24 17:49:00 some package installations sometimes spend minutes in the middle of the progress bar -- I've always attributed that to the jffs2 garbage collector Apr 24 17:49:17 They're usually doing stuff. Apr 24 17:49:21 ok :) Apr 24 17:49:22 postinst scripts and whatnot Apr 24 17:49:24 thanks Apr 24 17:50:01 or waiting for user click Apr 24 17:50:30 or crashing Apr 24 17:50:41 x) Apr 24 17:50:53 or removing crucial files Apr 24 17:51:12 does anyone have kismet .deb they can send me double plx? Apr 24 17:51:13 like .avis Apr 24 17:52:52 yes i'm on ssh now :] great Apr 24 17:53:28 busybox-- Apr 24 17:57:22 apt-get install flu-medicine Apr 24 17:57:32 you too? Apr 24 17:57:39 been building all week Apr 24 17:57:44 huh Apr 24 17:57:47 i honestly think i will be dead by morning Apr 24 17:58:05 now i know! Apr 24 17:58:08 nothing like man flu :) Apr 24 17:58:12 it got to me through ftp! Apr 24 17:58:20 i should have used sftp :/ Apr 24 17:58:23 :) Apr 24 17:59:17 that wouldnt have helped Apr 24 17:59:23 its actually elf-flu Apr 24 17:59:31 but i'm a cat Apr 24 17:59:32 :/ Apr 24 17:59:51 I'm telling you that the kernel is stable not because it's a kernel, Apr 24 17:59:51 but because I refuse to listen to arguments like this. Apr 24 17:59:51 -- Linus Torvalds Apr 24 17:59:52 hehe Apr 24 18:00:04 I'm gonna have to get ubuntu upgraded at the weekend. Way too slow now and school tomorrow :( Apr 24 18:00:19 qwerty: go live cd ? Apr 24 18:00:31 qwerty12_N800, yer, its been overloaded most of the day - theres plenty of mirrors on the edu's Apr 24 18:00:34 qwerty12_N800, find a mirror. Apr 24 18:00:45 http://sinklikeafish.com/ Apr 24 18:00:48 Maybe that. Apr 24 18:00:56 slashdot comments for the announce list a load of them Apr 24 18:01:12 or kernel.org Apr 24 18:01:17 has a mirrors too Apr 24 18:01:29 Thanks all, I've been trying but my repo's keep having to reload :/ Apr 24 18:01:38 I've taken a break Apr 24 18:01:40 now Apr 24 18:02:37 how long does the n810 normally take to get a gps fix? Apr 24 18:02:49 depends on your luck Apr 24 18:02:51 practisevoodoo: just short of 3,000 years Apr 24 18:02:51 and location Apr 24 18:02:53 give or take Apr 24 18:03:08 practisevoodoo, some people have bad luck, i used to think i do, but i can get a cold lock now in just under 10 minutes Apr 24 18:03:09 yeah that 3000 years thing sounds about right Apr 24 18:03:10 from few 30 mins to eternity Apr 24 18:03:50 practisevoodoo, the first is the worst. Apr 24 18:03:57 the first few times i tried it it wouldnt lock at all, now it gets locks. maybe the gps isn't as busy as it was ;) Apr 24 18:04:03 somebody patched gpsd to fix it, thought it was related to the leap year bug, but turns out that's hooey Apr 24 18:04:10 so i don't know wtf is wrong Apr 24 18:04:12 anyone ever had a problem with the app manager shouting errors in the log like this?: "apt-worker[1253]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib - g_strsplit_set: assertion 'string != NULL' failed" Apr 24 18:04:28 Mousey, so there is a fix? Apr 24 18:04:33 cold fix Apr 24 18:04:44 no practisevoodoo, some guy thought it was related to leap year problems, but its not Apr 24 18:04:49 practisevoodoo: i like to think of it as: it CAN be fixed. i don't know of a reliable fix for it tho Apr 24 18:05:08 well it's also just a weak gps chipset Apr 24 18:05:31 last time my n810 got the fix in just 7 minutes! Apr 24 18:05:36 AWESOME! Apr 24 18:05:36 isn't that amazing? Apr 24 18:05:39 right, just switched on now, its 19:05 Apr 24 18:06:04 getting fix - new olympic games category? Apr 24 18:06:10 possibly Apr 24 18:06:11 i'd have traded a crappy gps radio for a fullsized SD slot tho Apr 24 18:06:12 thanks Apr 24 18:06:25 it could just be crappy antenna coupled with RF inteference from other areas Apr 24 18:06:27 ./powerline: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-1.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Apr 24 18:06:30 owned ^^' Apr 24 18:06:39 yeah, full sized slot at least works reliably Apr 24 18:06:56 and a SDIO GPS radio Apr 24 18:07:11 lcuk, to paraphrase Ti's description "It provides great value as an economy GPS chipset" or somesuch Apr 24 18:07:23 tell the americans to turn the gps up - i can't hear it Apr 24 18:07:29 hahaha Apr 24 18:07:39 it's crappy here in america too Apr 24 18:07:47 it really is their lowest end chipset and meant to be used with AGPS on a cellphone Apr 24 18:07:50 it wont be a problem when we have galileo Apr 24 18:08:08 yes it will Apr 24 18:08:12 will the n810 support it? Apr 24 18:08:14 it means i have to get a new tablet! Apr 24 18:08:23 is that the chipset in the n810? Apr 24 18:08:24 well i would be happy if it read in the COUNTRY as a minimum and held onto the data it does get from the sats Apr 24 18:08:33 or a bluetooth gps/galileo Apr 24 18:08:36 NullM0dem: no it's the !american GPS network Apr 24 18:08:36 its having to grab all the aphoris data or whatever it is Apr 24 18:08:54 yeah but galileo isnt going to be up for years Apr 24 18:09:04 that would be sweet if you could just choose which GPS to tune to Apr 24 18:09:20 well today i am on Mars Apr 24 18:09:34 afaik these use more or less the same frequences/protocol, so that consumer devices can use both at the same time Apr 24 18:09:34 Anyone know a way to let me use lettters as bluetooth pass code? Or workaround? Apr 24 18:09:46 qwerty12_N800: workaround: don't Apr 24 18:09:48 lcuk, you're on mars too? Apr 24 18:09:49 use numbers Apr 24 18:10:03 qwerty: nope unless you find a way to reflash bt device firmware Apr 24 18:10:04 :> Apr 24 18:10:06 there are devices that don't support letters in bluetooth passcodes Apr 24 18:10:10 im over by olympus mons having a beer Apr 24 18:10:16 mgedmin: I have to. A bluetooth gps I have uses letters Apr 24 18:10:20 mgedmin, nahhh not current devices, you might get a dual format device eventually, but you cant just take a US GPS device and use i with gal Apr 24 18:10:22 ouch Apr 24 18:10:38 hmm Apr 24 18:10:52 i want localized GPS transmitters Apr 24 18:10:54 lcuk: right Apr 24 18:11:03 i could set it up in the house and get an instant fix Apr 24 18:11:15 will it be okay with that ??? : sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.2 Apr 24 18:11:23 k0uak: nope Apr 24 18:11:29 btw, mine can still only barely see 1 sat. its low on the bars as well Apr 24 18:11:36 k0uak: get the app built for the right OS version Apr 24 18:11:49 OS2008 has libdbus-1.so.3 Apr 24 18:12:11 hmmmm i seem to remember me not having wifi or bt on last time... Apr 24 18:12:48 k0uak: you are out of luck then. no earlier powerline exists. flash to 2008he for a while? Apr 24 18:12:49 show me the way.. to the next gps bar.. Apr 24 18:12:54 lol Apr 24 18:13:04 how i can flash 2008 to a 770 ? Apr 24 18:13:05 lol Apr 24 18:13:05 hmmm coincidence? i just disconnected wifi and i now have 3 Apr 24 18:13:19 maybe you moved it Apr 24 18:13:48 no actually when i sat back down it went down, but then i stood up and i got more OMG its like old tv antennas Apr 24 18:13:56 :> Apr 24 18:13:58 k0uak, http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-a5ee6b3cdb0011dc8afbe1ed42d754965496 Apr 24 18:14:04 hand waving? Apr 24 18:14:05 k0uak: it would be easier to rebuild the app for OS2006 Apr 24 18:14:14 just had to do : ln -s /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.2 /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 Apr 24 18:14:17 i do that normally Apr 24 18:14:17 and it worked :] Apr 24 18:14:17 there's OS2008 Hacker's Edition, but it's in alpha and not supported Apr 24 18:14:23 * mgedmin shudders Apr 24 18:14:27 great Apr 24 18:14:28 expect trouble down the way Apr 24 18:14:32 It works better than OS2006 for me. Apr 24 18:14:47 GeneralAntilles: everything works? wifi? browser? music? Apr 24 18:14:47 os2008 hackers edition ? Apr 24 18:14:47 ok Apr 24 18:14:50 i'll see that Apr 24 18:14:54 Yes, mgedmin. Apr 24 18:14:58 yay rules! Apr 24 18:15:54 Nokia770-49:~# ./powerline getdevicelockcode Apr 24 18:15:54 Could not get introspection data for powered: The name org.maemo.Powered was not provided by any .service files Apr 24 18:15:57 booh :/ Apr 24 18:16:05 anyone port slackware to the n8*0's yet :-P Apr 24 18:16:17 i was thinking about it Apr 24 18:16:29 what mean this output please ? Apr 24 18:16:31 k0uak: you need to install entire powerlaunch then Apr 24 18:16:36 ok Apr 24 18:16:37 :] Apr 24 18:16:41 i'll do that Apr 24 18:16:46 full compile on device :) Apr 24 18:16:51 yeah, fun Apr 24 18:16:57 really KotCzarny? Apr 24 18:17:02 shouldnt be too bad as long as you get it up to 400mhz Apr 24 18:17:19 * mgedmin wonders if his scratchbox works after the hardy heron upgrade Apr 24 18:17:20 NullM0dem, nah, Debian is enough of a challenge :P Apr 24 18:17:28 I think a port does exist. check their forums Apr 24 18:17:31 it shouldn't be too hard Apr 24 18:17:35 stock debian? Apr 24 18:17:35 KotCzarny, screenshots? what did you get running? Apr 24 18:17:45 NullM0dem, largely Apr 24 18:17:49 as most of the packages compile without a problem Apr 24 18:17:54 some custom packages to deal with hardware Apr 24 18:17:55 i have deb files for powerlaunch, so I'll have just to do a dpkg -i ? :/ Apr 24 18:18:25 im assuming nokia's distribution could use alot of optimization. Apr 24 18:19:00 i would love to start from scratch with a device like this Apr 24 18:19:02 nah, it's pretty optimized, but it's also diverged significantly from modern debian Apr 24 18:19:29 lcuk: It would be fun Apr 24 18:19:36 someone ran full debian on n800 iirc Apr 24 18:19:52 * johnx waves his hand in the air Apr 24 18:20:33 nice, how does console work Apr 24 18:20:45 id like to choose X or tect interface at boot Apr 24 18:20:51 that bit was tricky and it happened last Apr 24 18:20:54 *text Apr 24 18:20:56 i bet Apr 24 18:21:17 notice any increase in batt life running text only? Apr 24 18:21:25 just recently fanoush (who is awesome) put together some tools for being able to actually switch on the framebuffer console Apr 24 18:21:37 pretty bad battery hit running Debian vs ITOS Apr 24 18:21:46 Missing a lot of power saving stuff Apr 24 18:22:18 APM etc? Apr 24 18:22:25 that would be nice Apr 24 18:22:33 binary-only dsme from Nokia Apr 24 18:22:42 was going to ask about that Apr 24 18:22:43 and bme for battery monitoring charging Apr 24 18:22:46 as if someone just typed APM Apr 24 18:22:47 must I try with the last powerlaunch version ? or the first ? Apr 24 18:23:06 i had just opened wiki on APM (Applicaiton Portfolio Management tho) not the same thing :P Apr 24 18:23:11 god, I wish it was like the zaurus: apt-get install apmd && apm -s Apr 24 18:23:18 heh, sync Apr 24 18:23:22 johnx: indeed. framebuffer is great. Apr 24 18:23:26 johnx, it's interesting, Igor still maintains that those shouldn't be roadblocks because all that stuff is in the kernel. Apr 24 18:23:34 yep Apr 24 18:24:00 GeneralAntilles, well yeah, it's just a matter of interfacing to it Apr 24 18:24:18 which without docs could take a long time Apr 24 18:24:45 and also wlancond handles a the wifi powersaving which is a huge deal Apr 24 18:24:51 still no gps lock by the way... Apr 24 18:25:26 lcuk: how long has it been searching? Apr 24 18:26:09 anyways, enough ranting from me tonight, time for sleep :) Apr 24 18:26:22 nite johnx Apr 24 18:26:24 'night all Apr 24 18:26:30 right, just switched on now, its 19:05 <<< its not 19:26 Apr 24 18:26:38 now ^ Apr 24 18:26:49 holy flock! it got it Apr 24 18:27:03 21 minutes... Apr 24 18:27:33 That is extremely bad. Apr 24 18:27:48 the very first fix is very slow Apr 24 18:27:57 Hehe Apr 24 18:28:04 while the n810 figures out which hemisphere you're on, or something Apr 24 18:28:08 then it gets better Apr 24 18:28:09 * GeneralAntilles gets fixes with his $50 i-blue 737 in around 30 seconds. Apr 24 18:28:36 n810 also can get a fix in 30 seconds, provided you try it within 4 hours since you last had a fix Apr 24 18:28:38 or something like that Apr 24 18:29:12 not practical though Apr 24 18:29:30 tried wuth the dpkg said that is missing : hildon-libs0 libglade2-0 Apr 24 18:29:39 and libosso1 Apr 24 18:30:02 It's for a different version of ITOS. Apr 24 18:30:23 i tried with the 1st version of powerlaunch Apr 24 18:33:43 damn Apr 24 18:33:47 19:33 starting again Apr 24 18:34:26 whats that drift from lcuk? Apr 24 18:36:33 someone know how to do ? :( Apr 24 18:36:36 please Apr 24 18:36:41 install os2008he Apr 24 18:37:09 ok Apr 24 18:37:14 a link for me please ? Apr 24 18:37:25 maemo.org ? Apr 24 18:37:34 ok =] Apr 24 18:37:43 I've found using openntpd improves the inital lock time while in imperfest GPS situations Apr 24 18:38:02 at least with the internal n810 chip Apr 24 18:38:05 19:37 locked NullM0dem what drift Apr 24 18:38:16 if i have windows can I install it too ? Apr 24 18:38:26 probably Apr 24 18:38:37 sorry, thought your clock was drifting, im doing too much :-P Apr 24 18:38:43 lol Apr 24 18:38:47 ok Apr 24 18:38:57 right back later Apr 24 18:44:24 will i work with : http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/internet_tablet_hacker_edition_pushed_at_chinook_level.html Apr 24 18:44:26 ? Apr 24 18:44:56 or Apr 24 18:44:57 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php Apr 24 18:45:00 with update tool Apr 24 18:45:01 sorry Apr 24 18:45:04 i'm a real noob XD Apr 24 18:45:13 yea it works with the windows update tool Apr 24 18:45:23 nice :D Apr 24 18:46:12 use the 2nd link to get the image Apr 24 18:47:44 not SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin ? Apr 24 18:48:35 yes thats the one Apr 24 18:48:40 okay :D Apr 24 18:50:15 thanks Atarii :] Apr 24 18:50:35 np Apr 24 18:52:40 oooh http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/04/23/nokia-internet-tablets-get-ubuntu-and-qt Apr 24 18:53:16 comment #2 is pretty funny Apr 24 18:53:32 loading comments: Attempting to retrieve comments from forum system. Apr 24 18:54:15 xD Apr 24 18:55:12 * lcuk goes back to his tea Apr 24 18:56:38 who has an opinion about htc shift ?? Apr 24 18:57:07 ubutu on n810! Why? Apr 24 18:57:43 I guess they will strip it down really well Apr 24 19:00:23 NullM0dem: why? 26 *thousand* packages Apr 24 19:00:25 stop! pizzaa time Apr 24 19:00:27 granted, none of those are hildonized Apr 24 19:00:41 still, all command-line tools already ported for your convenience Apr 24 19:00:47 * mgedmin always thinks of the soviet hammer & sickle when he sees the Qt logo Apr 24 19:01:10 "Gim told us in an e-mail." Apr 24 19:01:14 Hahaha poor Gim . . . Apr 24 19:02:18 I just have many hours invested in trimming ubuntu for users with lowend hardware Apr 24 19:02:36 8 minute boot times etc Apr 24 19:02:44 NullM0dem: what about just using ubuntu mobile? Apr 24 19:03:06 was not aware of it thanks Apr 24 19:03:18 yah, ubuntu mobil Apr 24 19:03:21 e Apr 24 19:04:05 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Introducing-Maemo-LiveCD-58215.shtml lol Apr 24 19:04:22 is that slammp? Apr 24 19:04:47 I would do something like this for an interface, ROX and windowmaker Apr 24 19:04:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdj6pB6nPLQ Apr 24 19:04:56 <||cw> slowest i've run a standard distro on was a 486-50 with 32MB ram, debian sarge w/ 2.4 kernel worked pretty well on it Apr 24 19:06:04 ive used 166 and 266 with 128 megs ram Apr 24 19:06:13 slack or base debian runs great Apr 24 19:06:15 * KotCzarny has 386 with 4mb ram, but works with linux :> Apr 24 19:06:32 as a ssh terminal but .. :) Apr 24 19:06:46 <||cw> this was a hp scanjet5 so command line only, worked pretty well Apr 24 19:11:40 http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/12/mediamote.html Apr 24 19:11:47 for xmms fans Apr 24 19:13:27 2008 on :] yay Apr 24 19:15:51 I thought of doing that myself, there are alot of apps that can be remote controlled. VLC, mplayer as well Apr 24 19:16:29 yup Apr 24 19:16:41 i'm using ncurses app as a frontend to mplayer Apr 24 19:16:43 :) Apr 24 19:16:51 sweet Apr 24 19:16:58 wanna see? Apr 24 19:16:59 yes Apr 24 19:17:08 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/pfl/ Apr 24 19:17:19 erm Apr 24 19:17:20 i just bought a book on ncurses! Apr 24 19:17:22 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/pfl/ Apr 24 19:17:38 book? Apr 24 19:17:39 O.o Apr 24 19:18:38 omg 2008 is great ^^ Apr 24 19:19:04 nm: i'm using it as my main media player Apr 24 19:19:10 because i can run it on screen Apr 24 19:19:22 and reattach from diff machines Apr 24 19:19:23 :) Apr 24 19:19:49 kot i think my wrist watch has more memory than your 386 Apr 24 19:19:52 KotCzarny: " programmers guide to ncurses" published by wiley Apr 24 19:20:11 lcuk: yeah, but can your wrist watch run linux? Apr 24 19:20:14 and ssh? Apr 24 19:20:15 :) Apr 24 19:20:21 and aafire Apr 24 19:20:22 i dunno probably :P Apr 24 19:21:13 lcuk > what must I set for mirrors now I've set Nokia-OS2008 HE - Apr 24 19:21:16 ? Apr 24 19:21:33 plz Apr 24 19:21:52 ermmmm i could answer that , but i'd be wrong Apr 24 19:22:04 i'll try ^^ Apr 24 19:22:11 * lcuk looks around like a rabbit in headlights Apr 24 19:22:19 good song Apr 24 19:22:20 * KotCzarny honks Apr 24 19:22:21 ^^ Apr 24 19:22:35 evening pupnik Apr 24 19:23:10 but sound doesn't work under 2008 :/ Apr 24 19:24:10 huhu Apr 24 19:24:11 is it a known bug ? Apr 24 19:24:30 yup k0uak Apr 24 19:24:48 ok Apr 24 19:24:58 so i'll just use it to fix back this lock code :] Apr 24 19:25:11 but i must found the good repository to install openssh ^^ Apr 24 19:25:58 http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php Apr 24 19:27:12 nice :] Apr 24 19:27:21 it's chinook isn't it ? Apr 24 19:27:31 yea Apr 24 19:27:37 KotCzarny: i was looking at your bootmenu.conf file. you use usb networking? is that ethernet? Apr 24 19:27:50 nm: it's rescue mode Apr 24 19:27:58 but yes, you can use usb-eth cable Apr 24 19:28:04 search itt threads Apr 24 19:29:46 couple more days, till i get my tablets :) Apr 24 19:30:04 over anxious Apr 24 19:30:20 no way to fix sound on 2008 ? ^^ Apr 24 19:31:29 not yet k0uak Apr 24 19:31:43 its works fine with headphone i think Apr 24 19:31:45 ok :] Apr 24 19:31:54 hm i have a console under 2008 Apr 24 19:31:55 but Apr 24 19:32:02 when i sudo dpkg -i powerlaunch Apr 24 19:32:05 he ask me root passwd Apr 24 19:32:10 whats the default root passwd ? Apr 24 19:32:18 you need to install becomeroot Apr 24 19:32:28 or enable R&D mode Apr 24 19:32:49 ok Apr 24 19:32:56 =] Apr 24 19:34:15 oreos ftw Apr 24 19:34:24 nm: pfl you can run on cygwin/regula linux too Apr 24 19:34:25 :) Apr 24 19:36:16 with 0S2007 hacker edition sound works on the 770 ? Apr 24 19:36:43 yes Apr 24 19:36:53 but 2008os is so much better Apr 24 19:36:55 he* Apr 24 19:37:24 <||cw> 8 doens't work well on the 770 though Apr 24 19:37:37 ok =) Apr 24 19:37:39 <||cw> or did something change int eh last month Apr 24 19:37:45 so i'll hack this password thing Apr 24 19:37:56 and jump on the 2007 Apr 24 19:38:02 i found 2008 cool ^^ Apr 24 19:40:25 just no sound is no luck :( Apr 24 19:50:26 omg Apr 24 19:50:34 when I try to launch "powerlaunch" Apr 24 19:50:40 it says a lot of text Apr 24 19:50:49 powerlaunch[1970]: GLIB DEBUG default Apr 24 19:50:52 like that Apr 24 19:51:36 hmm Apr 24 19:51:39 i'm going to put 2007 :/ Apr 24 19:51:45 2008 seems too be a bit ^^' Apr 24 20:21:54 someone is alive ? ^^ Apr 24 20:22:07 . Apr 24 20:22:12 hi Apr 24 20:22:17 yo Apr 24 20:22:23 do u know the release name for the OS2007 hacker edition ? Apr 24 20:22:30 no Apr 24 20:22:40 ok ^^ Apr 24 20:23:13 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2007_hacker_edition.php Apr 24 20:23:24 thx =) Apr 24 20:24:53 don't find ^^' Apr 24 20:25:07 here you go Apr 24 20:25:13 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ Apr 24 20:25:25 ok thx Apr 24 20:28:18 omg i hope powerlauncher will work on `://// Apr 24 20:30:59 this is offtopic but which should i get, a futon or a mattress Apr 24 20:31:06 im moving to an unfurnished apt next semester Apr 24 20:31:10 both Apr 24 20:31:13 both? Apr 24 20:31:21 you put mattress on a futon? Apr 24 20:31:38 i mean a normal mattress, vs futon + frame Apr 24 20:31:44 tsukasa_, get a real pillow top. :P Apr 24 20:33:01 are futons comfortable compared to a reg mattress? Apr 24 20:33:04 ive never used one Apr 24 20:33:09 Depends on the futon. Apr 24 20:33:31 go to the shop and test it? Apr 24 20:33:37 hmm i think i will Apr 24 20:33:57 it's a personal preference anyway Apr 24 20:33:58 Futons tend to get lumpy over time. Apr 24 20:34:02 Which is irritating. Apr 24 20:34:20 what about air mattresses? Apr 24 20:34:23 any good? Apr 24 20:34:52 Depends on the air mattress. ;) Apr 24 20:34:57 =P Apr 24 20:35:02 The Nautilus/Select Comfort stuff is good Apr 24 20:35:04 but expensive. Apr 24 20:35:20 The benefit to a cheap pillow top isn't all that high. Apr 24 20:35:25 s/to/over/ Apr 24 20:35:27 GeneralAntilles meant: The benefit over a cheap pillow top isn't all that high. Apr 24 20:36:14 I definitely prefer futon found in a cheap japanese ryokan over "reg mattress" found in most hotels Apr 24 20:36:39 i have a decent air matress forget what it is, has a builtin pump Apr 24 20:36:41 less springs? Apr 24 20:37:09 air matresses are comfy and fun, however with someone else the fun goes away at 4am when they get up to go to the toilet Apr 24 20:37:26 haha Apr 24 20:37:52 reminds me of a space hopper Apr 24 20:39:40 Can anyone give me a hint on how to solve that nautilus level in NumpyPhysics ? Apr 24 20:39:46 water matress? Apr 24 20:40:18 waters too expensive i think Apr 24 20:40:27 plus you have to sign shit to get them in the apt Apr 24 20:40:34 in case they explode and cause water damage Apr 24 20:41:02 rotfl Apr 24 20:41:08 TIDAL WAVE! Apr 24 20:41:17 I would be more afraid of broken pipes than some matress Apr 24 20:41:39 do not underestimate how much water you need to fill a waterbed Apr 24 20:41:57 about a bathtub's worth Apr 24 20:42:04 or energy to keep it warm ;-) Apr 24 20:42:23 for what? a small single compact bed? Apr 24 20:42:39 lcuk2: nah Apr 24 20:42:47 what version of powerlauncher would you recommend me with os2007 ? Apr 24 20:43:03 non-broken one Apr 24 20:43:09 lol Apr 24 20:43:10 there's none, so you're out of luck Apr 24 20:43:41 it didn't worked under os2008 ://// Apr 24 20:43:53 nah, it does Apr 24 20:44:05 err ok... Apr 24 20:44:06 but it's a buggy piece of s...oftware anyway Apr 24 20:44:15 heh :D Apr 24 20:44:18 yes but i have to find my code back :/ Apr 24 20:44:29 bcz it worked this afternoon for another user Apr 24 20:44:56 you can reset the code using the flasher afaicr Apr 24 20:45:07 afaicr ? Apr 24 20:45:20 ~afaicr Apr 24 20:45:25 ok Apr 24 20:45:25 as far as i can remember Apr 24 20:45:41 infobot: YOU! Apr 24 20:45:42 astorm, I love abuse, feed me! Apr 24 20:45:43 or he just spewed onto his keyboard Apr 24 20:45:51 OK Apr 24 20:45:56 but Apr 24 20:46:02 i used the nokia flasher/updater Apr 24 20:46:03 ~acronym afaicr Apr 24 20:46:06 it didn't remove any code Apr 24 20:46:07 ok ^^ Apr 24 20:46:15 k0uak: it's a separate option of it Apr 24 20:46:24 joe which is the nautalis level am i missing something Apr 24 20:46:29 how to do it ? please :/ Apr 24 20:46:52 k0uak: I'm talking about linux flasher-3.0 Apr 24 20:47:16 ok Apr 24 20:47:18 :/ Apr 24 20:47:46 i'll try to reinstall 2008 and again this real useful tool Apr 24 20:47:47 lol Apr 24 20:48:13 i hope it will work under 2008 .. Apr 24 20:50:06 booh Apr 24 20:52:10 anyone use motion on os2008? Apr 24 20:52:39 is there a vnc for the n810 Apr 24 20:52:49 k0uak: you must run it on the PC Apr 24 20:53:06 using an USB cable to connect the N Apr 24 20:53:32 practisevoodoo, client or server? Apr 24 20:53:40 although the answer is yes Apr 24 20:53:41 yeah it's what I do .. with the nokia update tool Apr 24 20:53:43 what i do wrong ? Apr 24 20:53:44 client Apr 24 20:53:56 k0uak: nah, the Windows tool is junk Apr 24 20:54:02 use the real flasher Apr 24 20:54:09 i mean i found this http://beans.seartipy.com/2007/11/21/accessing-gnulinux-windows-desktop-remotely-from-nokia-n800-using-vnc-viewer/ but it wont instal Apr 24 20:54:11 Yes but I don't have linux ^^' Apr 24 20:54:13 here Apr 24 20:54:21 i have only dedicated servers under linux :/ Apr 24 20:54:22 k0uak: so use vmware Apr 24 20:54:23 http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 24 20:54:26 ok =) Apr 24 20:54:31 it does support USB Apr 24 20:54:37 vmware workstation ? Apr 24 20:54:41 yes Apr 24 20:54:43 or player Apr 24 20:54:48 ok :] Apr 24 20:54:55 what version is the best for u ? Apr 24 20:55:05 you can find many different linux images for vmware, ready to run Apr 24 20:55:09 k0uak: player is free Apr 24 20:55:11 ok Apr 24 20:55:15 i'll use player so Apr 24 20:55:25 but it can't create new vms, so you have to use some premade one Apr 24 20:55:27 i hope real flasher will remove this crappy keylock code :] Apr 24 20:55:32 Nokia has one with full devel env. Apr 24 20:55:33 ok Astorm Apr 24 20:55:48 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 24 20:56:08 ok Apr 24 20:56:11 * lcuk2 wonders if anyone else needs anything googling Apr 24 20:56:13 and nokia is best ? Apr 24 20:56:19 or i must use the maemo tool ? Apr 24 20:56:31 the what? Apr 24 20:56:33 no, if you have your own linux distro you can install yourself Apr 24 20:56:45 lcuk2: he doesn't Apr 24 20:56:46 but the simplest way to get the sdk is to try the vmware image :) Apr 24 20:57:03 What image is the best for you ? ^^ Apr 24 20:57:06 k0uak: any Linux will do Apr 24 20:57:10 almost any Apr 24 20:57:18 ok :] Apr 24 20:57:29 on 99,9% of distros flasher will work Apr 24 20:57:32 i am going to kill my isp, anyway lcuk2 do you know where i can get the client? Apr 24 20:57:44 http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 24 20:57:47 So i could take the first maemo sdk ^^ Apr 24 20:57:49 link Apr 24 20:57:50 :] Apr 24 20:57:51 ok Apr 24 20:57:51 nice Apr 24 20:58:04 how good is vnc on the 800? Apr 24 20:58:11 its great on my 810 Apr 24 20:58:12 is it any more laggy then desktop vnc Apr 24 20:58:13 there is no problem flashing N770 under 2007hacked and removing the code ? Apr 24 20:58:22 i use it rotated 90deg though :) Apr 24 20:58:35 never noticed a problem with vnc at all Apr 24 20:58:39 yeah i found that site and it wont install Apr 24 20:58:40 cool Apr 24 20:58:49 is that vnc to nix or windows Apr 24 20:58:50 ahhh.. Apr 24 20:58:54 * ljp just installed the maemo sdk in the qtopia sdk Apr 24 20:59:07 i was sure i got mine from there Apr 24 20:59:11 hang on ill get the error message Apr 24 21:00:25 unable to install vncviewer. incompatible application package Apr 24 21:00:27 smackpotato: well it has like a spiral in the middle Apr 24 21:01:14 practisevoodoo, the project page has a test version for chinook Apr 24 21:01:35 lol Apr 24 21:01:40 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1948 Apr 24 21:01:42 while i download Vmware Player Apr 24 21:01:45 kaspersky says Apr 24 21:01:56 Trojan.Win32.Obfuscated.zv Apr 24 21:01:58 wtf ? Apr 24 21:02:11 where you dl from? Apr 24 21:02:16 http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmplayer/VMware-player-2.0.3-80004.exe Apr 24 21:03:15 wtf ... :/ Apr 24 21:03:52 well since there are only 3 references to this specific "virus" on google i would suggest its something else Apr 24 21:04:23 no bcz it says it's the file from vmware which is downloading now Apr 24 21:04:24 lol Apr 24 21:05:00 no, what i mean is: if it was the vmware file itself you would have thought LOTS of people would have seen this problem Apr 24 21:05:17 yes but i can send u a screenshoot lol Apr 24 21:05:24 since its just you and 2 other people around the world have seen or talked about this virus makes me think its something else Apr 24 21:05:50 its most likely the heuristic scanning Apr 24 21:05:57 k Apr 24 21:06:14 but to be sure wear a condom Apr 24 21:06:26 and beware of greeks bearing gifts Apr 24 21:06:34 ^^ Apr 24 21:06:42 but it's wierd from VMware :/ Apr 24 21:07:13 yer does sound strange i am getting it myself and when its finished ill tell you if AVG thinks its dodgy Apr 24 21:07:31 ok :] Apr 24 21:07:49 as you say it's maybe heuristic scanning bcz it's while downloading :/ Apr 24 21:09:02 so as you say lcuk2 this magic-linux-distro will remove the code too ? ^^ Apr 24 21:09:10 yay! vnc Apr 24 21:11:48 beware of geeks wearing condoms Apr 24 21:11:52 remove what code? Apr 24 21:12:05 i just heard someone wanted the maemovmware image :) Apr 24 21:12:15 lol rst Apr 24 21:12:25 incidentally, avg says "no threats found" Apr 24 21:12:30 ok :) Apr 24 21:12:41 but your might have been invaded Apr 24 21:12:53 maybe lol Apr 24 21:13:04 theres a maemo vmware image? Apr 24 21:14:02 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Apr 24 21:14:22 maemo development sdk/toolchain vmware image Apr 24 21:14:30 yes Apr 24 21:17:41 urgh...eclipse Apr 24 21:18:42 eclipse is sex Apr 24 21:19:39 is there a maemo sdk livecd? Apr 24 21:20:13 * Jaffa yawns Apr 24 21:20:39 oooh http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/04/23/nokia-internet-tablets-get-ubuntu-and-qt Apr 24 21:20:52 Old news ;-) Apr 24 21:21:01 well no-one told em Apr 24 21:21:02 *me Apr 24 21:21:29 * Jaffa subscribes practisevoodoo_ to an RSS->email gateway ;-) Apr 24 21:22:16 Jaffa, quick question re mediautils, does it check to see if the source is below the set quality level? Apr 24 21:22:16 downloading the 2-gig vmware image x) Apr 24 21:23:16 GeneralAntilles: yes, tablet-encode does that and does -ovc copy and -oac copy if the streams are compatible with the device. Alternatively, if the streams are the right format but the wrong bitrate/res, it'll try to work out an equivalence so it doesn't encode artifacts. Apr 24 21:23:29 Will I be able to install os2007 with the : Maemo SDK VMWare Appliance, 0.5 Apr 24 21:23:30 ? Apr 24 21:23:41 Excellent, thanks. Apr 24 21:25:16 please Apr 24 21:25:35 2gig vmware image ??? Apr 24 21:25:43 yes Apr 24 21:25:45 three parts Apr 24 21:25:53 2 of 1 go each Apr 24 21:26:00 and one of 138 megs Apr 24 21:26:01 is that just a vm for development? Apr 24 21:26:05 re Apr 24 21:26:33 it's for flash Apr 24 21:26:36 because the tool Apr 24 21:26:39 can remove the code Apr 24 21:26:43 bcz i forgot it Apr 24 21:26:48 windows tool don't do it Apr 24 21:26:52 Hmm, Ubuntu 8.04's going to have finished downloading the packages to upgrade in a couple of hours. I'll be asleep, I think Apr 24 21:27:02 k0uak: one sentence per line, remember Apr 24 21:27:15 yes sorry Apr 24 21:27:38 thats IM habits :) Apr 24 21:27:54 or someone else has the magic solution to remove the code ^^ Apr 24 21:28:12 i don't use Instant messenger :) just because i must wrote like that at work :) Apr 24 21:28:15 if IM is short for "annoying", we totally agree Apr 24 21:32:55 :) Apr 24 21:39:14 ah, a new version of ubuntu Apr 24 21:39:17 anyone tried it? Apr 24 21:39:46 its downloading atm Apr 24 21:39:50 last time I upgraded to feisty it broke the whole installation in two different computers Apr 24 21:39:53 'night all Apr 24 21:41:46 It's actually the first ubuntu version that made things work worse over the previous veriion here... Apr 24 21:42:12 feisty? Apr 24 21:42:43 joe_mib, firefox 3 beta causing problems? Apr 24 21:42:46 or other things Apr 24 21:44:20 is ubuntu the dist. of choice nowadays? Apr 24 21:44:43 fedora or suse for raid Apr 24 21:44:46 its got the popular momentum Apr 24 21:44:55 its like the britney spears of linuces Apr 24 21:44:58 Mikho: downloading atm Apr 24 21:45:31 firefox 3 sucks, pulse audio doesn't work, mac keyboard is not supported correctly (was in gutsy), crashes (i never had anything crash with gutsy, now i have a few applications crashing per day) Apr 24 21:45:55 joe_mib: damn, mac keyboard'll be annoying since I've got a USB aluminium one atm Apr 24 21:46:02 fedora is what i was using; really enjoyed it. miss having a computer to tool arouund with Apr 24 21:46:13 im going to try this in windows instal function on my laptop Apr 24 21:47:09 Jaffa: that's the one i have - really annoying right now (i read it's a kernel bug that will evantually be fixed...) Apr 24 21:49:34 joe_mib: a kernel bug? yowser. Apr 24 21:49:47 lolyowser Apr 24 21:51:08 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201887 Apr 24 21:56:05 Status: Repository is online, but empty! Apr 24 21:56:12 what happened to the http://eko.one.pl/maemo repo? Apr 24 22:02:11 has anyone here had host mode working with the 770 and a powered hub? Apr 24 23:09:36 * lcuk2 runs around the room with arms out making aeroplane noises Apr 24 23:17:08 * GeneralAntilles clears lcuk2 for landing. Apr 24 23:17:20 at Berlin airport? Apr 24 23:18:16 :D i can make proper arrangements now for Linuxtag, Quim has contacted us and given an outline of how we get there.. Apr 24 23:19:24 Woo Apr 24 23:20:19 that's a good topic... Apr 24 23:20:22 if only i wasnt dying right now i would be jumping around Apr 24 23:20:35 * flo_lap still has no clue how to get there Apr 24 23:20:52 check your mail then, by how i read mine i think he sent it to everyone Apr 24 23:20:56 It's what you get for licking those nasty bathroom door handles. Apr 24 23:22:00 nahhh, the door handles are fine, i wiped the handle with some toiletroll i found on the floor (it was a bit wet) Apr 24 23:23:16 lcuk2: I told him that i'll be there anyway Apr 24 23:23:25 maybe that was a bad idea ;) Apr 24 23:23:31 hehe Apr 24 23:23:49 how long are you staying for Apr 24 23:24:58 I guess for the whole event and one or two days more. We have a date for the OE e.V. in Berlin at this time and I have a brother living there. Apr 24 23:25:46 best way really :) Apr 24 23:25:58 i just noticed you are doing other things there anyway Apr 24 23:30:32 hmm Apr 24 23:55:17 hm as the maemo event is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening - http://www.linuxtag.org/2008/en/besucher/linuxnacht.html Apr 24 23:55:52 s/maemo event/maemo track/ Apr 24 23:55:52 jott meant: hm as the maemo track is on 29. it might be worth to consider going to the official social event in the evening - http://www.linuxtag.org/2008/en/besucher/linuxnacht.html Apr 25 00:12:16 jott, post that idea up on linuxdevelopers and we can discuss properly Apr 25 00:12:31 sounds like a plan though Apr 25 00:19:55 argh.. my head **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Apr 25 02:59:57 2008