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Apr 26 03:02:01 <AStorm> only 60KB to remove now
Apr 26 03:02:19 <KotCzarny> just drop the ext4
Apr 26 03:02:20 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 03:03:21 <AStorm> it's already a module, sorry ;P
Apr 26 03:03:30 <AStorm> I'm trying to shrink the kernel
Apr 26 03:03:35 <randall> /etc/init.d/osso-systemui restart
Apr 26 03:03:43 <KotCzarny> wrong wintod
Apr 26 03:03:45 <KotCzarny> window
Apr 26 03:03:51 <AStorm> 10 kB todo...
Apr 26 03:04:28 <randall> AStorm: restarting osso-systemui unlocked it
Apr 26 03:04:49 <AStorm> ah, you meant that cheap lock key?
Apr 26 03:04:52 <AStorm> not the lock code?
Apr 26 03:06:08 <randall> AStorm:  Yes.
Apr 26 03:06:25 <randall> AStorm:  Now you're going to tell me something really easy, right?
Apr 26 03:07:04 <AStorm> :P
Apr 26 03:07:16 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 03:07:21 <KotCzarny> ok, breakfast time
Apr 26 03:07:24 <AStorm> the lock key is just a keycode, you can easily simulate it
Apr 26 03:07:39 <AStorm> yay, now I'm <2M
Apr 26 03:08:20 <AStorm> hmm, still no joy
Apr 26 03:08:27 <AStorm> weird
Apr 26 03:13:58 <AStorm> ok, forgot to add one LCD driver, d'oh
Apr 26 03:14:04 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 03:14:33 <AStorm> I win ;)
Apr 26 03:14:41 <AStorm> let's see where this build goes
Apr 26 03:14:43 <KotCzarny> not just yet
Apr 26 03:14:44 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 03:15:50 <AStorm> it's 80% of success if this works
Apr 26 03:16:02 <AStorm> if I get to initramfs prompt
Apr 26 03:19:59 <AStorm> hm, zilch
Apr 26 03:22:08 <AStorm> maybe the kernel has to be exact 2048 bytes or something
Apr 26 03:22:20 <AStorm> I'll try a flash with fanoush' tools now ;)
Apr 26 03:22:29 <AStorm> fortunately, my backup scheme worked :>
Apr 26 03:22:47 <KotCzarny> huh?
Apr 26 03:22:56 <KotCzarny> but what's the error?
Apr 26 03:23:11 <AStorm> I don't know
Apr 26 03:23:19 <AStorm> I can't get past the NOKIA screen
Apr 26 03:23:37 <KotCzarny> disable it from overwriting the screen
Apr 26 03:23:38 <AStorm> it's not of initfs, but of bootloader
Apr 26 03:23:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 03:23:43 <AStorm> yeah, like how?
Apr 26 03:23:53 <KotCzarny> it's called in initfs
Apr 26 03:24:34 <AStorm> no
Apr 26 03:24:40 <AStorm> it doesn't get to initfs at all
Apr 26 03:25:08 <AStorm> in initfs, there's a forced screen update, courtesy of fanoush
Apr 26 03:25:29 <KotCzarny> hmm, but with kernel with fbconsole you should have kernel messages at leat?
Apr 26 03:25:33 <KotCzarny> *least
Apr 26 03:25:37 <AStorm> yes
Apr 26 03:25:47 <AStorm> so it crashed very early
Apr 26 03:25:56 <KotCzarny> btw. mamona has gcc 4.x
Apr 26 03:26:05 <AStorm> I can get it too
Apr 26 03:26:14 <AStorm> no problem, just build gcc with my cross compiler
Apr 26 03:26:18 <AStorm> and there it goes ;)
Apr 26 03:27:06 <AStorm> I'll try fanoush' kernel flasher
Apr 26 03:27:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 03:27:25 <AStorm> maybe the default tool expects exactly 2048kB
Apr 26 03:27:33 <KotCzarny> i think not
Apr 26 03:27:36 <KotCzarny> because pads too
Apr 26 03:27:45 <KotCzarny> *it
Apr 26 03:27:51 <AStorm> are you sure?
Apr 26 03:28:01 <KotCzarny> read comments in kernel_flash script
Apr 26 03:31:42 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 26 03:34:37 <KotCzarny> http://lwn.net/Articles/229838/
Apr 26 03:34:39 <KotCzarny> hehe
Apr 26 03:34:54 <KotCzarny> nice explanation of 'fully supported'
Apr 26 03:42:52 <woodwizzle> Yeah!! I got my n800 =)
Apr 26 03:43:10 <woodwizzle> w00t w00t!
Apr 26 03:43:35 <mib_xneecu8k> hi guys
Apr 26 03:46:35 <woodwizzle> how long do I need to initially charge the battery before I power on? or is it ok to power on and play with it while I charge it the first time? The included docs don't seem to say
Apr 26 03:47:18 <AStorm> to be sure, I'd charge it fully
Apr 26 03:47:26 <GeneralAntilles> Just turn it on
Apr 26 03:47:26 <AStorm> it will take a few hours
Apr 26 03:47:30 <GeneralAntilles> It comes mostly charged.
Apr 26 03:47:37 <AStorm> ya
Apr 26 03:47:53 <GeneralAntilles> It takes about 3-4 hours for a full charge from low.
Apr 26 03:48:10 <GeneralAntilles> But you don't need to "train" the battery or anything like that.
Apr 26 03:51:00 <elb> it may or may not come mostly charged
Apr 26 03:51:03 <elb> mine didn't
Apr 26 03:51:23 <elb> (it charged for about 2 1/2 hours out of the box, before full)
Apr 26 03:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> "mostly" being 50-70%
Apr 26 03:51:55 <KotCzarny> that would be part-way charged
Apr 26 03:52:00 <KotCzarny> mostly is >90%
Apr 26 03:52:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 03:52:21 <KotCzarny> astorm: have you seen the lwn article?
Apr 26 03:52:40 <KotCzarny> bad news for people expecting open drivers
Apr 26 03:52:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 03:52:53 <KotCzarny> well, maybe not exactly news
Apr 26 04:01:49 <KotCzarny> "Once you have a otherwise free system, you could ask for a static bme binary. That would be a request much harder to to argue as not reasonable, than the "plz provide commercial quality images for old hardware forever" request."
Apr 26 04:07:06 <KotCzarny> and anoter one: "(Disclaimer: I'm paid by Nokia to work on the internet tablets. I looked at DSME's source just today to verify what I've just said. However, this is not Nokia's official position, et al.)"
Apr 26 04:07:11 <KotCzarny> *another
Apr 26 04:07:51 <KotCzarny> it was about that replacing dsme would be trivial
Apr 26 04:18:56 <woodwizzle> Where do I go to upgrade to 2008?
Apr 26 04:19:05 <woodwizzle> Chinook i guess =)
Apr 26 04:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php
Apr 26 04:34:28 <AStorm> KotCzarny: I'm still having no luck, trying once more
Apr 26 04:34:33 <AStorm> with the newest kernel
Apr 26 04:34:42 <KotCzarny> try some sleep
Apr 26 04:34:44 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 04:34:46 <AStorm> nay
Apr 26 04:34:48 <KotCzarny> usually works
Apr 26 04:34:56 <KotCzarny> or read the article
Apr 26 04:37:41 <KotCzarny> nokla n95, lol
Apr 26 04:38:59 <woodwizzle> Does the 2008 installer not automatically run
Apr 26 04:39:31 <woodwizzle> I can just save it
Apr 26 04:39:34 <GeneralAntilles> What OS are you on, woodwizzle?
Apr 26 04:40:00 <woodwizzle> GeneralAntilles: I have a brand new n800 running 2007
Apr 26 04:40:05 <woodwizzle> i'm trying to install chinook
Apr 26 04:40:07 <GeneralAntilles> No, computer.
Apr 26 04:40:19 <woodwizzle> ubuntu hardy 64bit
Apr 26 04:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Apr 26 04:40:45 <woodwizzle> Oh I can't do it from the device itself?
Apr 26 04:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> Technically, yes.
Apr 26 04:41:04 <GeneralAntilles> But the method isn't particularly practical at the moment.
Apr 26 04:41:09 <GeneralAntilles> You'll be doing it from a computer.
Apr 26 04:41:11 <johnx> nah, and be sure to backup before you flash if you want your old stuff.
Apr 26 04:42:54 <AStorm> how do I fix menu that was changed by powerlaunch?
Apr 26 04:43:00 <AStorm> (power menu)
Apr 26 04:43:16 <KotCzarny> it's probably a txt file
Apr 26 04:43:20 <AStorm> but where?
Apr 26 04:43:36 <KotCzarny> i don't have device by me right now, sorry :)
Apr 26 04:43:47 <KotCzarny> i would bet /home/usr/.hildon
Apr 26 04:43:50 <KotCzarny> or something
Apr 26 04:51:41 <woodwizzle> does the n800 come with xterm? or do i need to install that?
Apr 26 04:51:49 <KotCzarny> comes
Apr 26 04:52:00 <woodwizzle> Where can I get to is?
Apr 26 04:52:04 <woodwizzle> it
Apr 26 04:52:16 <GeneralAntilles> Utilities
Apr 26 04:52:18 <GeneralAntilles> at the bottom
Apr 26 04:52:40 <woodwizzle> its not there for me
Apr 26 04:52:43 <woodwizzle> Sketch is the bottom one
Apr 26 04:53:58 <GeneralAntilles> Tools, then, maybe?
Apr 26 04:54:04 <GeneralAntilles> You flashed OS2008 already, right?
Apr 26 04:54:32 <woodwizzle> not yet
Apr 26 04:54:37 <woodwizzle> I'm still downloading it
Apr 26 04:54:40 <GeneralAntilles> Then why do you need xterm?
Apr 26 04:54:57 <woodwizzle> I want to play around while I'm downloadin =)
Apr 26 04:55:09 <GeneralAntilles> Right then: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm
Apr 26 04:55:14 <KotCzarny> just install ssh-server
Apr 26 04:55:35 <KotCzarny> more fun than xterm+osk
Apr 26 04:55:47 <woodwizzle> I guess I'll just play blocks and wait till I got 2008
Apr 26 04:55:50 <KotCzarny> also you will get root
Apr 26 05:14:37 <woodwizzle> which button is the home button?
Apr 26 05:14:44 <woodwizzle> oh wait
Apr 26 05:14:44 <woodwizzle> lol
Apr 26 05:14:47 <woodwizzle> the house i bet
Apr 26 05:14:48 <KotCzarny> yeah..
Apr 26 05:14:50 <KotCzarny> n00b
Apr 26 05:15:08 <KotCzarny> forest raised n00b :P
Apr 26 05:15:16 <johnx> you were once a n00b too KotCzarny :P
Apr 26 05:15:33 <KotCzarny> johnx: that was a long time ago :P
Apr 26 05:15:36 <johnx> ahahaha
Apr 26 05:15:40 <johnx> like a couple weeks ago?
Apr 26 05:15:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 05:15:57 <KotCzarny> i got a hang quite fast
Apr 26 05:15:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 05:16:19 <johnx> yeah, no get me a copy of slackware running all nice like you said you would :P
Apr 26 05:16:26 <johnx> s/no/now/
Apr 26 05:16:26 <infobot> johnx meant: yeah, now get me a copy of slackware running all nice like you said you would :P
Apr 26 05:26:25 <KotCzarny> johnx: you are a debian user afair? ;)
Apr 26 05:26:43 <johnx> yeah, but if you get power saving work it will be easy enough to figure it out :D
Apr 26 05:27:09 <KotCzarny> yeah, unless i would close it in some obfuscated way
Apr 26 05:27:12 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 05:27:32 <johnx> heh...you'd have a bigger horde of users after you then Nokia if you did that :P
Apr 26 05:27:41 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 05:27:48 <KotCzarny> that would be fun :)
Apr 26 05:29:05 <woodwizzle> any iGo stowaway keyboard owners in here?
Apr 26 05:29:13 * KotCzarny <--
Apr 26 05:29:25 <KotCzarny> unless my igo kb isn't stowaway
Apr 26 05:29:32 <KotCzarny> (ultra-slim something)
Apr 26 05:29:37 <woodwizzle> Yeah same one
Apr 26 05:29:42 <woodwizzle> How did you pair it?
Apr 26 05:29:49 <woodwizzle> I set the code as 0000
Apr 26 05:29:51 <KotCzarny> with perseverance ;)
Apr 26 05:29:55 <KotCzarny> you odn't set the code
Apr 26 05:29:59 <KotCzarny> go to control panel
Apr 26 05:30:05 <KotCzarny> and then to bt keyboards
Apr 26 05:30:11 <KotCzarny> then choose scan and pair
Apr 26 05:30:21 <KotCzarny> it will display te code to enter on kb (+enter)
Apr 26 05:30:36 <KotCzarny> took me ~20-30 tries ;)
Apr 26 05:31:23 <GeneralAntilles> blue fn key to enter numbers, then press enter on the keyboard when you're done.
Apr 26 05:31:59 <woodwizzle> thats how I been doing it
Apr 26 05:32:03 <woodwizzle> but never pairs
Apr 26 05:32:16 <KotCzarny> as i said
Apr 26 05:32:21 <KotCzarny> time frame is very small
Apr 26 05:33:04 <woodwizzle> must be ridiculously small
Apr 26 05:33:08 <KotCzarny> i think the combination that worked for me was, 1/ make kb discoverable, 2/ search and try to pair in control panel, 3/ enter pin
Apr 26 05:33:12 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 26 05:33:19 <KotCzarny> my guess is 2-5sec
Apr 26 05:33:31 <KotCzarny> i think it's the kb that makes it so small
Apr 26 05:34:17 <woodwizzle> Oh i hadn't properly turned it on. I guess the led needs to be flashing. Had to hit Ctrl-Fn-Fn again
Apr 26 05:34:24 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 26 05:34:26 <woodwizzle> got it though, thanks!
Apr 26 05:34:55 <KotCzarny> http://www.joemonster.org/article/6796/chinskie_klony_samochodow.html
Apr 26 05:35:05 <KotCzarny> china made mercedes-benz
Apr 26 05:35:06 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 05:36:03 <KotCzarny> lol, even maybach is there :>
Apr 26 05:38:23 <KotCzarny> and people are concerned about bootleg phones, he hehe
Apr 26 05:41:03 <woodwizzle> I've also paired it with a bluetooth stereo headset. As I understand it. bluetooth headsets can either be be stereo with no mic, or mono with a mic, is that right?
Apr 26 05:41:28 * KotCzarny doesn't know
Apr 26 05:41:40 <woodwizzle> hmmm
Apr 26 05:45:20 <woodwizzle> is there a limit to the number of bluetooth devices I can use at a time?
Apr 26 05:46:53 <pupnik> yes
Apr 26 05:48:36 <woodwizzle> just 1?
Apr 26 05:50:07 <woodwizzle> it looks like I paired with the igo, but now I can't connect to it
Apr 26 05:50:19 <Tama^2> I think it's more like "one per function"
Apr 26 05:50:29 <Tama^2> 1 keyboard, 1 phone, 1 gps
Apr 26 05:50:33 <woodwizzle> i goto bluetooth settings, and I hit edit for the keyboard
Apr 26 05:50:40 <woodwizzle> and then I hit connect
Apr 26 05:50:46 <woodwizzle> when the keyboard is on
Apr 26 05:51:13 <woodwizzle>  but it keeps saying connection failed
Apr 26 05:52:52 <woodwizzle> i guess i'll just repair
Apr 26 05:53:05 <woodwizzle> hehe... get it re...pair =)
Apr 26 05:53:06 <woodwizzle> sorry
Apr 26 06:27:33 <lopz> night
Apr 26 06:54:12 <woodwizzle> There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of apps in the application manager.
Apr 26 06:54:21 <KotCzarny> enable extras
Apr 26 06:54:35 <woodwizzle> is that under the control panel?
Apr 26 06:54:44 <KotCzarny> in app man
Apr 26 06:55:36 <qwerty12> "hildon-libs >= 0.9.50 hildon-fm libossohelp" are all replaced in OS2008 right?
Apr 26 06:55:45 <woodwizzle> I found it, thanks
Apr 26 07:18:39 <KotCzarny> http://mebelki.zoni.pl/dni/2008.04.24/Uwaga-_pojazd_mo%5Bz%5De_przewozi%5Bc%5D_obietnice_wyborcze.jpg
Apr 26 07:18:40 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 07:21:03 <qwerty12> I am finally joining ze revolution! My Ubuntu is finally upgrading :/
Apr 26 07:21:22 <qwerty12> Knowing my luck, it's not going to start when it reboots.
Apr 26 07:21:28 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 07:22:33 <qwerty12> Hopefully, my hibernation will be fixed. I broke it when trying to set up tuxonice.
Apr 26 07:41:56 <woodwizzle> argh, this whole keyboard situation is nasty. I can pair it up and it'll work, but after a while of non use it doesn't stay connected. And whenever I try to reconnect it fails
Apr 26 07:45:46 <woodwizzle> is there a built in text editor? I can't find one in the repos
Apr 26 07:49:41 <woodwizzle> not even nano
Apr 26 07:49:53 <KotCzarny> vi
Apr 26 07:49:57 <qwerty12> ^
Apr 26 07:50:05 <qwerty12> Or leafpad from debfarm repo.
Apr 26 07:50:07 <KotCzarny> and some graphical are available
Apr 26 07:50:11 <woodwizzle> ugh i hate vi
Apr 26 07:50:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 07:50:15 <qwerty12> leafpad
Apr 26 07:50:23 <KotCzarny> compile/install mc
Apr 26 07:50:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 07:50:43 <qwerty12> mc doesn't really go well with a N800 TBH
Apr 26 07:50:51 <KotCzarny> why?
Apr 26 07:50:55 <KotCzarny> works beautifully for me
Apr 26 07:50:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 07:51:09 <qwerty12> The hildon keyboard is extremely annoying :)
Apr 26 07:51:18 <KotCzarny> then just get aterm from my site
Apr 26 07:51:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 07:51:35 <qwerty12> But no virtual keyboards work with my N800 :(
Apr 26 07:51:41 <KotCzarny> ?
Apr 26 07:51:43 <qwerty12> dsme throws a bitch fit.
Apr 26 07:51:50 <qwerty12> I tried xkbd with the same results.
Apr 26 07:52:02 <KotCzarny> get aterm and use it with xvkbd/xkbd
Apr 26 07:52:03 <qwerty12> I really do not want to reflash.
Apr 26 07:52:08 <KotCzarny> it's not hildonized
Apr 26 07:52:13 <KotCzarny> so it won't call osk
Apr 26 07:52:36 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, I cannot use xkbd/xvkbd or even xmodmap. My N800 crashes :(
Apr 26 07:52:45 <KotCzarny> hum
Apr 26 07:52:59 <KotCzarny> try turning off xtest extension in xvkbd?
Apr 26 07:53:21 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, ok. I'll try soon. Thanks.
Apr 26 07:53:40 <KotCzarny> it worked for me when xkbd fscked up the input state
Apr 26 07:53:48 <KotCzarny> and everything was going in caps
Apr 26 07:54:07 <qwerty12> Where is the xvkbd config file, if you don't mind me asking?
Apr 26 07:54:30 <KotCzarny> look into xvkbd.desktop
Apr 26 07:54:33 <qwerty12> Ok thanks.
Apr 26 07:54:41 <KotCzarny> it takes param to select a kb layout
Apr 26 07:54:41 <qwerty12> brb, I need to restart to finish off upgrade.
Apr 26 07:58:09 <woodwizzle> what is the default root password?
Apr 26 07:58:14 <KotCzarny> none
Apr 26 07:58:19 <KotCzarny> unless you install ssh-server
Apr 26 08:00:59 <woodwizzle> i didn't
Apr 26 08:01:07 <KotCzarny> then do
Apr 26 08:01:28 <woodwizzle> Well i need to use leadpad to edit some files to get bluetooth working (i think)
Apr 26 08:01:33 <KotCzarny> you have to instal either that or some other package to get root
Apr 26 08:01:52 <woodwizzle> oh
Apr 26 08:01:54 <woodwizzle> ok
Apr 26 08:02:01 <KotCzarny> if you install ssh-server you can mount n800 via sshfs
Apr 26 08:02:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:07:03 <woodwizzle> now that I've generated a root password, i can't seem to use it. Running sudo asks for a password but when I enter one, no characters get displayed (maybe thats normal) and it never works
Apr 26 08:08:45 <KotCzarny> ssh 0 -l root
Apr 26 08:08:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:09:10 <KotCzarny> or ssh root@0
Apr 26 08:09:27 <KotCzarny> or even better login from pc
Apr 26 08:09:52 <KotCzarny> defualt sudo config is.. well
Apr 26 08:09:58 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, I just realised it isn't dsme that is crashing. I'm certain it's xserver. dsmetool runs xserver at init time with the condition that if it is closed, dsme will shutdown the entire thing. :( :/
Apr 26 08:10:00 <KotCzarny> restrictively lax
Apr 26 08:10:37 <KotCzarny> qwerty: keep in mind x[v]kbd aren't ildonized
Apr 26 08:10:45 <KotCzarny> and don't talk over dbus
Apr 26 08:11:07 <KotCzarny> so you can't use them as osk replacements
Apr 26 08:11:29 <qwerty12> I'm not trying to :). I just want them to work :)
Apr 26 08:11:33 <KotCzarny> that and because some special keys (like enter) have to be sent specially
Apr 26 08:13:14 <qwerty12> I'm gonna force a reinstall of the xserver off jott's site and see what happens.
Apr 26 08:18:51 <qwerty12> Fcuking great. "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Apr 26 08:18:51 <qwerty12> ". 8.04 kernel breaks scratchbox for me anyway. Off to pH5's site...
Apr 26 08:19:13 <KotCzarny> disable vdso
Apr 26 08:19:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:20:00 <qwerty12> Yeah :). 7.10 worked great with sbox, why the knobs at ubuntu decide to mess things up.
Apr 26 08:20:14 <KotCzarny> it's not that i guess
Apr 26 08:20:25 <KotCzarny> by default all new kernels have vdso enabled
Apr 26 08:20:36 <KotCzarny> to reduce exploits
Apr 26 08:20:51 <KotCzarny> just disable it via /proc or /sys
Apr 26 08:20:54 <qwerty12> Ahh. I'm not a security freak so it won't bother me.
Apr 26 08:20:59 <qwerty12> Thanks.
Apr 26 08:21:04 <KotCzarny> you can reenable it later
Apr 26 08:21:09 <KotCzarny> just make a script
Apr 26 08:21:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:21:39 <sohail> whoa lots of people in here
Apr 26 08:21:47 <KotCzarny> mostly bots/sessions
Apr 26 08:21:51 <sohail> lols
Apr 26 08:21:55 <sohail> s/s//
Apr 26 08:21:55 <infobot> sohail meant: lol
Apr 26 08:22:02 <qwerty12> I really need to do that mod to disable the pissing pc speaker. I swear down the linux beep is more annoying than the windows one.
Apr 26 08:22:03 <sohail> I see!
Apr 26 08:22:13 <KotCzarny> just cut it
Apr 26 08:22:13 <sohail> Is there a list of the maemo compatible hardware somewhere?
Apr 26 08:22:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:22:38 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, I wish :p. Nah, easier to blacklist pc speaker module :p
Apr 26 08:22:45 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:22:58 <KotCzarny> my 'mod' would work windows too!
Apr 26 08:22:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 08:23:09 <qwerty12> Registry edit :p
Apr 26 08:23:22 <qwerty12> "bash: /proc/sys/kernel/vdso: No such file or directory" - I'm guessing my vdso is already disabled. :/
Apr 26 08:23:22 <KotCzarny> edit here, edit there
Apr 26 08:23:32 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 26 08:23:41 <KotCzarny> or simply option to control it is gone
Apr 26 08:23:48 <KotCzarny> recompile
Apr 26 08:23:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:24:02 <qwerty12> Probably. Guess I'm going to have to. I hate recompiling desktop kernel though >.<
Apr 26 08:24:13 <KotCzarny> why?
Apr 26 08:24:22 <KotCzarny> your .config should be ready
Apr 26 08:24:35 <KotCzarny> so just change one option
Apr 26 08:24:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:24:55 <qwerty12> :), I'll check that when I download :)
Apr 26 08:25:24 <qwerty12> I cannot live without my sbox, it was the bane of my life
Apr 26 08:25:34 <KotCzarny> or get vmware
Apr 26 08:25:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 08:25:53 <qwerty12> I hate vmware. I have it installed in Ubuntu and XP though,
Apr 26 08:25:59 <qwerty12> But sharing files is a PITA
Apr 26 08:26:07 <KotCzarny> why?
Apr 26 08:26:11 <KotCzarny> it's an image
Apr 26 08:26:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:26:25 <KotCzarny> just mount it wit ntfs-3g
Apr 26 08:26:28 <KotCzarny> *with
Apr 26 08:26:35 <KotCzarny> i mean 'doze partition
Apr 26 08:26:41 <qwerty12> vmware-mount messes up and I have to keep doing vmware-setup to get network modules working.
Apr 26 08:27:37 <qwerty12> Man, Ubuntu are knobs. I can't get the source for the kernel to show up in Synaptic. I'm gonna have to check their wiki.
Apr 26 08:28:36 <KotCzarny> then get stock kernel
Apr 26 08:28:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:29:28 <qwerty12> Will probably have to :). Look at this output... http://pastebin.ca/998203
Apr 26 08:29:44 <qwerty12> Pissing me off. Even N800 compiling is better and easier.
Apr 26 08:30:44 <qwerty12> If I can't get this to work, I'm switching to OpenSUSE.
Apr 26 08:30:49 <KotCzarny> you have probably played as root with su instead of su -
Apr 26 08:30:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:31:40 <qwerty12> I don't get it. I shouldn't have to be root to download a source to my home directory and I didn't even run with sudo :)
Apr 26 08:32:18 <KotCzarny> no no
Apr 26 08:32:27 <KotCzarny> as root it probably created a dir
Apr 26 08:32:35 <KotCzarny> just chown it
Apr 26 08:32:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:32:49 <qwerty12> Ah, thanks :)
Apr 26 08:34:00 <woodwizzle> aaaarggh
Apr 26 08:34:07 <woodwizzle> this is a nightmare :(
Apr 26 08:34:33 <woodwizzle> i can't get mc or nano installed, so even while SSHed into the n800 from my PC I can't edit the files I need to edit
Apr 26 08:34:45 <KotCzarny> huh
Apr 26 08:34:51 <KotCzarny> are you installing one for armel?
Apr 26 08:35:00 <woodwizzle> I dunno
Apr 26 08:35:06 <KotCzarny> because it's not x86
Apr 26 08:35:09 <woodwizzle> I'm just searching repoes for it
Apr 26 08:35:11 <woodwizzle> i know
Apr 26 08:35:30 <woodwizzle> all i need is a CLI text editor that works under OS2008
Apr 26 08:35:54 <woodwizzle> so I can use it from SSH
Apr 26 08:36:13 <wom-> vi
Apr 26 08:36:39 <KotCzarny> http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/nano/download
Apr 26 08:36:41 <KotCzarny> try this one
Apr 26 08:36:42 <woodwizzle> dammit i hate vi though cuz I don't know how to use it
Apr 26 08:37:14 <KotCzarny> i haven't tried it but should work
Apr 26 08:37:36 <woodwizzle> ok i'll give that one a shot, thanks =)
Apr 26 08:37:48 <KotCzarny> just add 'armel' to the searches
Apr 26 08:39:57 * RST38h knows how to use vi but still hates it
Apr 26 08:40:37 <KotCzarny> having to echo/sed the lines i would prefer vi
Apr 26 08:40:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:41:07 <RST38h> hey, at least you are not programming by flipping switches! =)
Apr 26 08:41:16 <KotCzarny> or punching cards
Apr 26 08:41:17 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 08:42:12 <RST38h> the real shit hits the fan when you accidentally drop your stack of cards...
Apr 26 08:42:31 <wom-> :)
Apr 26 08:42:47 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 26 08:42:58 <RST38h> they are numbered of course, but the number is punched in binary =)
Apr 26 08:43:03 <KotCzarny> you have used permarker, haven't you?
Apr 26 08:43:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 08:43:07 <RST38h> my mother did
Apr 26 08:43:13 <RST38h> when I was a kid
Apr 26 08:44:06 <qwerty12> To fuck with Ubuntu. I finally get the right command for kernel source, download the 50MB and when I cd to src, it's there for a second (the kernel sources) and then it's deleted and I get a folder called mytest.
Apr 26 08:44:13 <woodwizzle> i think i'm just gonna haveta learn vi
Apr 26 08:44:27 <KotCzarny> qwerty, maybe it's moved to /usr/src ?
Apr 26 08:45:04 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, damn you are right. I'm such a knob sometimes, must be a blond hair day :p
Apr 26 08:45:06 <qwerty12> Thanks :)
Apr 26 08:45:16 <RST38h> qwerty: sorry for a private question, but what do you need the ubuntu source for?
Apr 26 08:45:47 <qwerty12> RST38h, I need to enable or disable vdso (not sure which one), upgrading to 8.04 has messed up my scratchbox.
Apr 26 08:46:12 <KotCzarny> disable, for working sbox it need to be disabled
Apr 26 08:46:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:47:05 <qwerty12> Ok :), I thought I read conflicting reports but I must have misread. I'll have to see in source if it is disabled.
Apr 26 08:47:16 <KotCzarny> nah
Apr 26 08:47:26 <KotCzarny> it's a configurable option
Apr 26 08:47:53 <KotCzarny> unless folks at ubuntu went redhat way 'we know better and we patch what we would like'
Apr 26 08:47:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:48:16 <vegai> Hey. Is there anything I can do myself to an N810 that fails to boot at all?
Apr 26 08:48:27 <vegai> I mean so badly that it cannot be even flashed anymore
Apr 26 08:48:29 <qwerty12> Give it to me?
Apr 26 08:48:31 <qwerty12> :p
Apr 26 08:48:43 <vegai> Sure, I'll give it to if you give $200 to me first :P
Apr 26 08:48:51 <qwerty12> How can it not be flashed?
Apr 26 08:48:53 <qwerty12> :p :)
Apr 26 08:48:56 <KotCzarny> not a bad deal
Apr 26 08:48:59 <KotCzarny> qwerty, get it
Apr 26 08:49:00 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 08:49:11 <vegai> I paid much less for it :P But anyway
Apr 26 08:49:20 <KotCzarny> second hand?
Apr 26 08:49:21 <vegai> when I plug the power in, I get the NOKIA logo for a very short while
Apr 26 08:49:30 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, when I get a BT keyboard, N800 will be fine :)
Apr 26 08:49:32 <vegai> maemo developer supported thingie
Apr 26 08:49:51 <KotCzarny> are you maemo developer?
Apr 26 08:49:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:49:55 <vegai> so short while that the computer it is plugged into via USB doesn't register it at all
Apr 26 08:50:16 <vegai> KotCzarny: hobbyist currently. I was kinda before
Apr 26 08:50:21 <qwerty12> Do you hold down the flash "button" on N800, it's the home button but its different on N810.
Apr 26 08:50:24 <qwerty12> Let me check.
Apr 26 08:50:31 <KotCzarny> you can try getting sd out
Apr 26 08:50:31 <vegai> N810, btw
Apr 26 08:50:48 <wom-> vegai: i had instance that my computer didn't recognize N810.. try changing to another usb port.. helped for me :)
Apr 26 08:51:15 <wom-> for some reason desktop stopped finding it in one port.. changed to another and worked
Apr 26 08:51:28 <vegai> It's linux. I think it's supposed to show something in dmesg even if it doesn't recognize the device
Apr 26 08:51:32 <vegai> but there's nothing
Apr 26 08:51:52 <vegai> but I'll try to rip everything off I can
Apr 26 08:52:04 <vegai> *crack* Oh, I didn't know that comes off
Apr 26 08:52:05 <vegai> :-)
Apr 26 08:52:40 <KotCzarny> humhum
Apr 26 08:52:57 <qwerty12> Have you tried plugging in the usb cable, holding down the "application swap key" which is the one that looks like two overlapping boxes (left side front, top button) and plugging in the power cable?
Apr 26 08:52:58 <KotCzarny> try pulling battery out for some time too
Apr 26 08:53:02 <RST38h> qwerty: Oh
Apr 26 08:53:13 <RST38h> qwerty: switch to sb2 =)
Apr 26 08:53:26 * RST38h upgraded to Ubuntu8 overnight, and the sb2 still as good as new
Apr 26 08:53:32 <vegai> qwerty12: nope
Apr 26 08:53:36 <vegai> I'll check that out
Apr 26 08:53:54 <qwerty12> RST38h, I tried but install got interrupted and now sbox2 says no targets found even though everything that was needed was installed :(
Apr 26 08:53:57 <qwerty12> Thanks though.
Apr 26 08:54:10 <RST38h> qwerty: I think you need to add target manually
Apr 26 08:54:13 <RST38h> a moment
Apr 26 08:56:35 <RST38h> qwerty:try maemo-rootstrap --host-tools install chinook40_armel
Apr 26 08:56:47 <RST38h> it should pull the armel target for you
Apr 26 08:56:54 <qwerty12> RST38h, Thanks, will do as soon as I reinstall sb2
Apr 26 08:57:30 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, only vdso option is CONFIG_COMPAT_VDSO :/
Apr 26 08:57:43 <KotCzarny> then enable it
Apr 26 08:57:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 08:57:51 <qwerty12> Ok, thanks :)
Apr 26 08:57:52 <KotCzarny> or read it's help subpage
Apr 26 08:58:33 <qwerty12> I've enabled it. Got nothing to lose. Time to compile and if it doesn't work, time for SB2 (thanks RST38h ).
Apr 26 08:59:06 <vegai> qwerty12: no effect really when holding down the swap key
Apr 26 08:59:09 <KotCzarny> you would have to disable it in proc though
Apr 26 08:59:11 <KotCzarny> i guess
Apr 26 08:59:51 <vegai> I suppose it's just bricked. Nasty
Apr 26 08:59:54 <qwerty12> vegai, that's odd :(. If you could boot in, I'd recommend trying General's instructions on ITT.
Apr 26 09:00:33 <vegai> perhaps the guys at Nokia weren't happy about my progress so they sent me a funny update :P
Apr 26 09:00:47 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 09:00:53 <qwerty12> Repair bill will be high to make up for the discount :p
Apr 26 09:01:18 <vegai> I'll write a nasty blog posting to make up for that, then :P
Apr 26 09:01:47 <vegai> and of course, won't be able to write my mega-awesome app that would've saved the whole platform
Apr 26 09:01:55 <qwerty12> lol
Apr 26 09:01:56 <KotCzarny> is it under warranty ?
Apr 26 09:02:12 <vegai> seriously, should be under warranty
Apr 26 09:02:15 <KotCzarny> vegai: you have ported 3d drivers?!
Apr 26 09:02:26 <RST38h> "Nokia is sending me trojan scripts hidden inside software updates!"
Apr 26 09:02:28 <vegai> heh, yeah. That would do it
Apr 26 09:02:40 * RST38h remembers seeing this in Wikipedia
Apr 26 09:02:49 <KotCzarny> that was itt
Apr 26 09:02:51 <KotCzarny> i think
Apr 26 09:02:58 <qwerty12> that tosser meanwhile?
Apr 26 09:03:02 <RST38h> yea
Apr 26 09:03:21 <vegai> qwerty12: what are "General's instructions"?
Apr 26 09:03:57 <qwerty12> vegai, I can't remember but  I don't know if they would work well for you. let me do a search.
Apr 26 09:04:44 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 - those but I'm not sure if they will work properly once again in your situation.
Apr 26 09:05:02 <qwerty12> And Home key = Application swap key for N810.
Apr 26 09:19:10 <`0660_> what's the point of installing xterm? :)
Apr 26 09:19:23 <Veggen> uh?
Apr 26 09:19:36 <Veggen> getting to a shell?
Apr 26 09:19:44 <`0660> i'm referring to qwerty12's link
Apr 26 09:19:46 <KotCzarny> naughty!
Apr 26 09:19:55 <qwerty12> `0660, Os2007 doesn't come with it
Apr 26 09:20:02 <qwerty12> that link is for when you upgrade.
Apr 26 09:20:16 <RST38h> You can just as well install ssh
Apr 26 09:20:20 <`0660> but why would you need terminal for flashing?
Apr 26 09:20:45 <qwerty12> Did you read it?
Apr 26 09:20:53 <RST38h> do read the itt article
Apr 26 09:21:00 <`0660> hmm
Apr 26 09:21:54 <`0660> he had some really weird problems flashing the unit?
Apr 26 09:22:21 <vegai> qwerty12: I suppose it could be just the battery that's busted.
Apr 26 09:22:33 <vegai> but then again, I have the device on AC
Apr 26 09:22:33 <KotCzarny> 'flashing the unit' naughty!
Apr 26 09:23:07 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, Hehe, I need to watch that N810 porn again :p
Apr 26 09:23:41 <qwerty12> Ok, I don't but it goes :p
Apr 26 09:23:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:23:54 <vegai> naah, it just shuts down after awhile, also when pressing the home button
Apr 26 09:24:02 <vegai> gotta send it back
Apr 26 09:24:12 <KotCzarny> ..to me
Apr 26 09:24:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 09:24:23 <`0660> i usually have problems when flashing too
Apr 26 09:24:41 <`0660> i always forget which button i was supposed to press in the boot
Apr 26 09:25:16 <vegai> you don't have to press any button if it's working
Apr 26 09:25:36 <qwerty12> Sigh, kernel recompile is slow :(. I tried echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled as root even but I don't have right permissions.
Apr 26 09:25:57 <qwerty12> It's like WIndows, logged in as Admin and I still can't run an commmand.
Apr 26 09:26:05 <KotCzarny> it's not that
Apr 26 09:26:21 <KotCzarny> it doesn't allow you creating a file in /proc which it doesn't know about
Apr 26 09:26:22 <`0660> i have always had to press a button for it to work with my n800
Apr 26 09:26:46 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, Oh yes, you are right, I forget echo makes files too,
Apr 26 09:27:02 <qwerty12> Actually vdso_enabled exists.
Apr 26 09:27:20 <qwerty12> "cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled" = 1
Apr 26 09:27:30 <qwerty12> So I guess it is like Windows to me.
Apr 26 09:27:30 <KotCzarny> try echo -n 0
Apr 26 09:27:40 <`0660> do you have fedora? :)
Apr 26 09:27:43 <RST38h> hoho, that mxic flash chip finally finished erasing
Apr 26 09:27:47 <RST38h> only took 5 minutes
Apr 26 09:27:50 <woodwizzle> i think i figuired out my keyboard issues
Apr 26 09:27:54 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, Still permission denied :(
Apr 26 09:28:02 <qwerty12> `0660, Ubuntu 8.04 :)
Apr 26 09:28:08 <qwerty12> Should have stuck with 7.10.
Apr 26 09:28:18 <KotCzarny> weird
Apr 26 09:28:25 <`0660> does it have selinux enabled?
Apr 26 09:28:28 <woodwizzle> it defaults to the name "Think Outside Keyboard". I think the config files get confused about spaces. I renamed to iGo and now all appears to be well =)
Apr 26 09:28:40 <qwerty12> `0660, no idea.
Apr 26 09:28:41 <KotCzarny> [root@x32 05:24:24 /]# echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
Apr 26 09:28:41 <KotCzarny> [root@x32 05:24:29 /]# cat /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled
Apr 26 09:28:41 <KotCzarny> 0
Apr 26 09:29:09 <Veggen> mmm, anything wrong with 8.04? I seemomething about 8.04 and scratchbox problems, but there was a fix too.
Apr 26 09:29:16 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, thanks :)
Apr 26 09:29:27 <qwerty12> I used sudo -i rather than sudo echo etc
Apr 26 09:29:30 <Veggen> seem to remember something.
Apr 26 09:29:30 <qwerty12> and it worked :0
Apr 26 09:29:37 <KotCzarny> doh.
Apr 26 09:29:45 * qwerty12 cancels kernel recompile
Apr 26 09:30:12 <qwerty12> Veggen, sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)
Apr 26 09:30:30 <KotCzarny> qwerty: why not: su -
Apr 26 09:30:33 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:30:54 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, no idea. I'm just so used to sudo now :)
Apr 26 09:31:08 <KotCzarny> i hardly use sudo
Apr 26 09:31:35 <qwerty12> I do a lot now, more so now after enabling it on my N800.
Apr 26 09:31:55 <qwerty12> I'm gonna add vdso=0 to my grub to make sure it works.
Apr 26 09:32:11 <KotCzarny> nah
Apr 26 09:32:24 <KotCzarny> once you set it with taht echo command it stayd disabled
Apr 26 09:32:27 <KotCzarny> (until reboot)
Apr 26 09:32:50 <qwerty12> Which happens a lot in my case so vdso=0 seems like a good all-rounder for me :p
Apr 26 09:33:05 <qwerty12> brb, I need to test if my hibernation works.
Apr 26 09:34:03 <lcuk> rm -rf throatgunk
Apr 26 09:34:22 <KotCzarny> lcuk, make a cron script
Apr 26 09:34:23 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:34:51 <lcuk> i havent got cron installed, but i installed a sigalarm as a compromise
Apr 26 09:35:12 <lcuk> now it just interupts whatever i am doing and hocks a loogie
Apr 26 09:35:39 <KotCzarny> could be dangerous
Apr 26 09:35:49 <KotCzarny> if it kicks in at the wrong moment
Apr 26 09:35:52 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 09:36:17 <lcuk> totally - ive had threading issues. the drink_coffee process was rudely interupted and i ended up getting splashed
Apr 26 09:36:34 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 09:36:45 <KotCzarny> but not core dumped.. yet
Apr 26 09:36:46 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 09:36:46 <lcuk> at least im starting to feel better
Apr 26 09:36:53 <lcuk> no comment
Apr 26 09:37:09 <qwerty111> That's a no :)
Apr 26 09:38:04 <lcuk> unfortunately its turned viral - my youngest and missus are starting to sound bad
Apr 26 09:38:15 <KotCzarny> ugh
Apr 26 09:38:25 <Ziriuz> hi!
Apr 26 09:38:27 <lcuk> i think im gonna move out for a few days ;)
Apr 26 09:38:34 <KotCzarny> too late
Apr 26 09:38:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:38:37 <lcuk> or at least get myself a gas mask
Apr 26 09:38:45 <lcuk> well yer i cant catch it again
Apr 26 09:39:00 <KotCzarny> once you are through it you should be immune
Apr 26 09:39:20 <lcuk> yer :)
Apr 26 09:40:08 <lcuk> now i think i need to smoke a big cigar to finally get rid of all the crap from throat
Apr 26 09:40:24 <Ziriuz> I installed Canola2 beta8 on my 770 with the latest 2007 Hacker edition, but it doesn't want to start. If i launch it from terminal it says "Illegal Instruction" :S Does anynone knows how to solve it?
Apr 26 09:41:01 <lcuk> Ziriuz, there is a dedicated canola channel i think which may be able to help you properly
Apr 26 09:41:18 <lcuk> the actual developers hang out there :)
Apr 26 09:41:19 <Ziriuz> doh, sorry :S
Apr 26 09:41:28 <KotCzarny> at proper (brazilian) hours of course
Apr 26 09:41:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:41:30 <Ziriuz> thanks ;)
Apr 26 09:41:44 <lcuk> KotCzarny, maybe, but do you know which chan it is
Apr 26 09:42:14 <qwerty111> #canola
Apr 26 09:42:14 <lcuk> #canola
Apr 26 09:42:25 <KotCzarny> well, some folks come to #maemo with ubunto/'doze problems
Apr 26 09:42:27 <KotCzarny> so..
Apr 26 09:42:28 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 09:42:37 <lcuk> sounds familiar :P
Apr 26 09:42:54 * qwerty111 holds my hand up
Apr 26 09:43:01 <qwerty111> s/my/his/
Apr 26 09:43:31 <lcuk> i just thought with this specific thing we could hop around and guess all day but chances are actual canolas will be more suited
Apr 26 09:44:01 <KotCzarny> i think anything related with 770/n8x0 comes to #maemo
Apr 26 09:45:30 <lcuk> which is why he came here :)
Apr 26 09:48:39 <dreamerns> does anyone know how i can change password for user on n810
Apr 26 09:48:46 <KotCzarny> passwd
Apr 26 09:49:24 <dreamerns> well, i've tried that....but it says"The password for user cannot be changed"
Apr 26 09:49:34 <qwerty111> Sigh. N800 is rubbish for wifi cracking. I'd left aircrack-ng running overnight. Running for 5 hours and it was killed :( and I got no key. Also is sbrsh meant for using  the ARM processor on your N800 rather than QEMU emulation?
Apr 26 09:49:35 <KotCzarny> then obey it
Apr 26 09:49:43 <KotCzarny> because it may actually break something
Apr 26 09:50:01 <KotCzarny> qwerty: blame closed wifi drivers
Apr 26 09:50:26 <qwerty111> KotCzarny, I was cracking a dump file I had :)
Apr 26 09:50:33 <KotCzarny> achm
Apr 26 09:50:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:51:00 <KotCzarny> sbrsh just connects via ssh and runs command on device
Apr 26 09:51:02 <KotCzarny> i think
Apr 26 09:51:11 <qwerty111> Ah. Not so useful then :/
Apr 26 09:51:29 <dreamerns> hmmm...there's gotta to be a way
Apr 26 09:51:49 <qwerty111> dreamerns, is there a point? I don't see where the N800 asks you to log in.
Apr 26 09:51:52 <KotCzarny> dreamerns: better not touch it, unless you want to face the wrath of wsod
Apr 26 09:52:37 <dreamerns> i need my pass to become root
Apr 26 09:52:44 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 09:52:47 <dreamerns> actually, i want to move home
Apr 26 09:52:57 <dreamerns> from /home/user
Apr 26 09:53:04 <dreamerns> to /media/mmc2/home/user
Apr 26 09:53:06 <KotCzarny> go for booting from sd card
Apr 26 09:53:13 <KotCzarny> that will save you troubles
Apr 26 09:53:22 <dreamerns> and make link on /home/user to /media/mmc2/home/user
Apr 26 09:53:36 <KotCzarny> you want yourself wsod'ed
Apr 26 09:53:39 <KotCzarny> that's what you want
Apr 26 09:53:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:53:45 <dreamerns> this looked easy, at least on linux :)
Apr 26 09:53:57 <KotCzarny> linux isn't so hackisly hardcoded
Apr 26 09:54:04 <dreamerns> but somehow i cant remove user dir even if i have rights
Apr 26 09:54:06 <qwerty111> That's what happened to me lol when I tried moving home/user with unionfs
Apr 26 09:54:18 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 26 09:54:33 <KotCzarny> the concept of unionfs is that only changes go to overlay fs
Apr 26 09:54:45 <KotCzarny> and everything unchaged is taken from original fs
Apr 26 09:54:47 <dreamerns> so i need user pass for "sudo su"
Apr 26 09:55:10 <KotCzarny> dreamerns: get gainroot
Apr 26 09:55:17 <KotCzarny> or ssh-server
Apr 26 09:55:28 <KotCzarny> but don't come back crying about reboot-loop
Apr 26 09:55:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 09:56:05 <dreamerns> reboot-loop?
Apr 26 09:56:23 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 26 09:56:42 <KotCzarny> if you do anything that makes x/matchbox angry
Apr 26 09:56:48 <dreamerns> well i can always flash device :)
Apr 26 09:56:52 <KotCzarny> true
Apr 26 09:57:55 <dreamerns> my friend told me that somewhere in control panel you can change passwd for user
Apr 26 09:58:02 <dreamerns> and just do sudo su to become root
Apr 26 09:58:06 <qwerty111> That's device lock code.
Apr 26 09:58:23 <KotCzarny> drea: install gainroot
Apr 26 09:58:25 <dreamerns> device lock code == user pass?
Apr 26 09:58:35 <KotCzarny> or ssh-server
Apr 26 09:58:41 <dreamerns> ok
Apr 26 09:58:55 <dreamerns> i'll try with ssh server
Apr 26 09:58:58 <dreamerns> tnx
Apr 26 10:00:00 <qwerty111> Look at this! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=174913#post174913
Apr 26 10:01:24 <RST38h> you can even do it wirelessly!
Apr 26 10:01:37 <RST38h> (if you use a PC with an Xserver ;))
Apr 26 10:01:57 <Dist> qwerty111: Haha, hacking ftw =)
Apr 26 10:02:16 <qwerty111> Dist, :)
Apr 26 10:02:22 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 26 10:02:32 <KotCzarny> but you don't have usb adaptor to do it..
Apr 26 10:02:35 <Dist> Gotta love it =)
Apr 26 10:02:42 <KotCzarny> just do export DISPLAY=host:0.0
Apr 26 10:02:46 <KotCzarny> and run your app.
Apr 26 10:02:54 <qwerty111> It's more about the progress for me, not that I don't have an adapter :p
Apr 26 10:02:57 <KotCzarny> also run xhost + on dest machine
Apr 26 10:03:42 <KotCzarny> (or use vnc)
Apr 26 10:03:58 <qwerty111> ARRGH! Now my sbox2 and scratchbox is destroyed.
Apr 26 10:04:11 <KotCzarny> how?
Apr 26 10:04:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:04:33 <qwerty111> "scratchbox"= "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs.
Apr 26 10:04:33 <qwerty111> " which never happened before.
Apr 26 10:04:50 <qwerty111> sbox2 "running 'sb2-init -m maemo -c /usr/bin/sb2-qemu-arm chinook40_armel /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc'
Apr 26 10:04:50 <qwerty111> /opt/maemo/tools/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc doesn't exist
Apr 26 10:04:50 <qwerty111> Error: Cannot initialize Scratchbox2.
Apr 26 10:04:50 <qwerty111>     Please, initialize the build tool environment with `maemo-tools', or,
Apr 26 10:04:50 <qwerty111>     use `--host-tools' option with `maemo-rootstrap'faheem@faheem-desktop:"
Apr 26 10:05:58 <KotCzarny> just install slackware..
Apr 26 10:05:59 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:06:23 <qwerty111> Can't be bothered with all the compiling :p. I get enough errors as it is :)
Apr 26 10:06:35 <qwerty111> I'm leaning towards OpenSuSE.
Apr 26 10:07:25 <KotCzarny> suse went 'meh' with novell
Apr 26 10:08:21 <qwerty111> True but as long as it works, I don't really care who it's from. I don't mind opensource but if something is commercial, it isn't going to stop me from using it. I'm not that hardcore about oss etc.
Apr 26 10:08:33 <KotCzarny> then just go slackware
Apr 26 10:08:34 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 10:08:41 <KotCzarny> it's stable
Apr 26 10:09:20 <qwerty111> Got me there. ATM, I'm downloading "833MB of archives". All scratchbox toolchains.
Apr 26 10:09:35 <qwerty111> If this doesn't work, I don't know what will.
Apr 26 10:09:44 <qwerty111> Except for Slackware/OpenSUSE.
Apr 26 10:09:50 <KotCzarny> sounds like fun
Apr 26 10:09:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:10:13 <qwerty111> Hehe :). My internet is slow in Linux so :/
Apr 26 10:10:46 <qwerty111> I don't agree on Slackware mascot. It should have been Ganja instead of pipe.
Apr 26 10:11:13 <KotCzarny> i don't like penguin as a mascott, but i use linux
Apr 26 10:11:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:11:41 <qwerty111> Fake Chinese Brand: http://bp1.blogger.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/R0w7ZPFft0I/AAAAAAAAGic/OLUzJRcsbqU/s1600-h/fake_brands_009.jpg
Apr 26 10:11:43 <qwerty111> lol
Apr 26 10:11:44 <qwerty111> :0
Apr 26 10:11:47 <`0660> i wish sb would work with amd64 soon
Apr 26 10:11:52 <qwerty111> s/:O/:)
Apr 26 10:12:02 <qwerty111> `0660, there's a hack somewhere.
Apr 26 10:12:31 <Veggen> hmm. my new desktop, due to arrive, is amd64.
Apr 26 10:12:33 <KotCzarny> qwerty: http://www.joemonster.org/article/6796/chinskie_klony_samochodow.html
Apr 26 10:12:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:12:36 <`0660> i've spent a few hour looking for a solution
Apr 26 10:12:51 <qwerty111> `0660, something like setarch
Apr 26 10:12:55 <qwerty111> KotCzarny, lol
Apr 26 10:12:56 <qwerty111> http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fzq94YVbHHM/R0w7F_FftrI/AAAAAAAAGhU/KVh-TolarNc/s1600-h/fake_brands_010.jpg
Apr 26 10:13:06 <qwerty111> this one had me rolf
Apr 26 10:13:07 <`0660> even tried the vmware image but had networking problems
Apr 26 10:13:55 <`0660> maybe it will be better in a year or two :)
Apr 26 10:14:22 <qwerty111> `0660, I got networking to work fine in Linux and Windows host.
Apr 26 10:14:39 <RST38h> Cloned Maybach looks more expensive than the original one!
Apr 26 10:14:46 <RST38h> More metallized plastic, etc
Apr 26 10:14:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 10:15:16 <KotCzarny> rst: from the text under art: they are so finely copied that most often spare parts fit
Apr 26 10:15:16 <qwerty111> The cloned one looks chung
Apr 26 10:15:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:15:59 <qwerty111> My favourite is the "nokla"
Apr 26 10:16:16 <`0660> it work briefly with me too but then i couldn't resist running apt-get autoremove on the guest :P
Apr 26 10:16:17 <RST38h> Kot: I can read the text, although it looks funny
Apr 26 10:16:43 <KotCzarny> rst38h: i didn't know you know polish :)
Apr 26 10:16:53 <RST38h> I know Russian, Polish is close enough
Apr 26 10:17:00 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 26 10:17:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:17:09 <qwerty111> I don't know either, I have a Russian friend who helps me out :)
Apr 26 10:17:21 <KotCzarny> now you can also nag rst ;)
Apr 26 10:18:31 <qwerty111> hehe, I wish I knew something rather than just English. My aptitude for languages is appalling. I can't even speak my mother tongue anymore, just understand.
Apr 26 10:23:44 <aquatix> heh, some/most of these car clones even look better than the original
Apr 26 10:24:58 <KotCzarny> i disagree
Apr 26 10:25:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 10:25:13 <Atarii> thats crazy
Apr 26 10:25:28 <Atarii> wonder how safe they are
Apr 26 10:25:45 <KotCzarny> well, they are made according to china safety regulations
Apr 26 10:25:47 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 10:25:48 <qwerty111> Not very, wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if they were just welded.
Apr 26 10:25:50 <Atarii> lol
Apr 26 10:25:59 <KotCzarny> if it's safer or not..
Apr 26 10:26:16 <KotCzarny> you would have to check the laws yourself :)
Apr 26 10:39:10 <RST38h> Atarii: They are not
Apr 26 10:39:41 <RST38h> The Chinese made a dubious achievement of producing cars that are less safe than LADA
Apr 26 10:40:57 <qwerty111> How did they manage that? :P
Apr 26 10:40:57 <qwerty111> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1208
Apr 26 10:41:18 <RST38h> Chery Amulet Crash Test: http://crash-tests.net/crash-test.aspx?crash=cherry-amulet-2007&videoid=1
Apr 26 10:41:31 <RST38h> (most of it is in russian, but check the picture and the video)
Apr 26 10:42:00 <RST38h> if you are eating, you may want to pause before watching this
Apr 26 10:42:08 <qwerty111> That is brutal
Apr 26 10:42:20 <qwerty111> I've never seen a car do that.
Apr 26 10:43:09 <RST38h> The text says that yes, the body is welded...in a few places...
Apr 26 10:43:29 <KotCzarny> well, passengers in the back seat look unhurt :>
Apr 26 10:43:36 <qwerty111> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1518&wpcf7=json
Apr 26 10:44:51 <RST38h> KotCzarny: Just like live ones! :)
Apr 26 10:45:00 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 10:45:33 <KotCzarny> i think they haven't included airbags because they would kill the driver if he lived through the crash
Apr 26 10:45:40 <RST38h> The 1518 one is an ad
Apr 26 10:46:38 <qwerty111> Lol, looking on that site, I see you Russians are crazy with cars :p
Apr 26 10:46:54 <RST38h> Just a popular posting topic
Apr 26 10:47:24 <KotCzarny> russia has many citizens, internet is there too
Apr 26 10:47:38 <KotCzarny> so it's normal to have some hobbysts
Apr 26 10:47:39 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 10:48:08 <RST38h> Geely crash test and some deconstruction: http://crash-tests.net/crashtest-geely-otaka-ck-2007.aspx
Apr 26 10:48:35 <RST38h> http://crash-tests.net/image.aspx?gal={8134A903-72B5}&id=120 <--- hehehe
Apr 26 10:50:41 <aquatix> RST38h: holy crap
Apr 26 10:50:50 <RST38h> yea, that is construction foam
Apr 26 10:51:48 <RST38h> They have got a few more Chinese deathtraps tested, including some suv, but they all look pretty much the same
Apr 26 10:52:17 <aquatix> was referring to that crash video, but indeed :)
Apr 26 10:53:12 <KotCzarny> ok, bed time.
Apr 26 10:53:13 <KotCzarny> bbl
Apr 26 10:53:16 <aquatix> KotCzarny: cya
Apr 26 10:53:36 <aquatix> construction foam in a car...
Apr 26 10:53:48 <qwerty111> KotCzarny, nite
Apr 26 10:54:13 <qwerty111> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/24/nogc124.xml&reason=0
Apr 26 10:54:41 <aquatix> hahahhaa
Apr 26 10:56:34 <RST38h> that's not a log, that's a message
Apr 26 10:56:47 <RST38h> s/log/logo
Apr 26 10:57:15 <aquatix> `Go fuck yourself'?
Apr 26 10:58:01 <qwerty111> I can't decide what's more funny. The £14,000 or the logo itself.
Apr 26 10:58:16 <aquatix> both
Apr 26 10:58:20 <qwerty111> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2008/04/25/logo/oriente.gif
Apr 26 10:58:25 <aquatix> but the £14,000 is also painful
Apr 26 10:58:26 <qwerty111> "The Institute of Oriental Studies at Federal University of Santa Catarina in Brazil hastily withdrew their logo when they realised it could be seen as something other than a pagoda in front of a setting sun
Apr 26 10:58:26 <qwerty111> "
Apr 26 10:58:41 <aquatix> how on earth can logo's and web sites cost that much
Apr 26 10:58:56 <aquatix> simple websites that do 4+ million dollar and such
Apr 26 10:59:17 <lcuk> i dunno aquatix but i'll design your website for a small sum of £300,000
Apr 26 10:59:29 <qwerty111> Bargin!
Apr 26 10:59:30 <aquatix> haha
Apr 26 10:59:40 * aquatix designs websites himself, thank you very much ;)
Apr 26 10:59:46 <RST38h> You pay for the piece of mind!
Apr 26 10:59:51 <aquatix> but my university had some monster costing 4 million euro
Apr 26 10:59:57 <aquatix> and only working in IE
Apr 26 11:00:09 <lcuk> you're only jealous because they didn't accept your 5million tender
Apr 26 11:00:15 <aquatix> didn't even work on the solaris machines and apples whole departments where full of then
Apr 26 11:00:25 <aquatix> now, just baffled
Apr 26 11:00:27 <RST38h> Just think of it, how much better you will feel if your name will be written in Courier by some highly respectable logo designers!
Apr 26 11:31:08 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny: I know you are asleep but if you see this msg later, i fixed my n800 xvkbd problem :). I had to disable Xinputextension I had enabled before for vnc hack :)
Apr 26 11:35:37 <lcuk> kot normally doesnt see messages after a while (something about his client, but that might have changed)
Apr 26 11:36:52 <qwerty12_N800> Ah, it's of no importance if he doesn't see it but I thought he may like to know as we couldn't figure it out earlier.
Apr 26 11:52:35 <lcuk> oh no! i have scratched my screen :O
Apr 26 11:52:51 <qwerty12_N800> badly? :(
Apr 26 11:53:10 <lcuk> badly enough that its not pristine :(   i can feel it with stylus
Apr 26 11:53:49 <lcuk> oh even more no., theres another
Apr 26 11:53:55 <qwerty12_N800> Damn :(, I hate that. Did it to my ppc and it's always felt weird
Apr 26 11:54:23 <qwerty12_N800> How did it get scratched?
Apr 26 11:55:20 <lcuk> i dnno, 1 is tiny (about 1mm long) the other is quite long
Apr 26 11:55:28 <lcuk> its odd because its not done anything different
Apr 26 11:55:52 <lcuk> the bigger one actually looks worse - in the light it looks like the 2 sides dont meet properly - looks more like a crack
Apr 26 11:56:19 <lcuk> im wondering if that happened when missus leant elbow on it
Apr 26 11:56:21 <keesj> joy
Apr 26 11:56:49 <qwerty12_N800> shit :(, does the touch screen work properly in that area?
Apr 26 11:56:57 <lcuk> ive been wonmdering why screen is a little less sensitive than usual
Apr 26 11:57:10 <lcuk> seens to, just less sensitive to finger touch
Apr 26 11:57:46 <qwerty12_N800> I once leant my elbow on my n800 and went to sleep
Apr 26 11:58:20 <qwerty12_N800> Touchscreen stopped working but it started again after reboot.
Apr 26 11:58:31 <lcuk> well missus was reading web and laid 810 down on desk infront of her and was just resting elbow on desk with chin on hand.  apart from 810 was under elbow
Apr 26 11:58:51 <lcuk> she aid the color went from my face
Apr 26 12:09:30 <aquatix> heh, can imagine
Apr 26 12:09:34 <aquatix> sucks :/
Apr 26 12:13:52 <lcuk> gahhhhh (real work)  im trying to read in formatted text in c - ive got 4 line formats which need parsing and scanf doesn't work as i hoped it would do (it segfaults)  do i have to write a full parser just to get a bit of data into my file
Apr 26 12:13:57 <lcuk> my program ^
Apr 26 12:15:38 <lcuk> "begin [key]"      "end"     "[key] = [string]"      "[key] = [number]"    (with indenting)
Apr 26 12:27:17 <keesj> lcuk: probably yes :)
Apr 26 12:27:49 <AStorm> lcuk: give us the scanf line
Apr 26 12:28:06 <AStorm> btw, hello
Apr 26 12:28:26 <aquatix> hey AStorm
Apr 26 12:29:10 <lcuk> well this was first test, i used this and gave it about 40 variations of input data to see if it was stable, and it wasnt..   "%20s = %i"
Apr 26 12:29:54 <AStorm> no no, full line
Apr 26 12:29:57 <AStorm> not just the format
Apr 26 12:29:59 <lcuk> it was the cases where input data had no spaces hence everything went into the %s leaving nothing for the %i
Apr 26 12:30:07 <AStorm> I think you forgot to give the address of the int
Apr 26 12:30:30 <AStorm> or allocate those 21 characters for string
Apr 26 12:30:59 <lcuk> :D you are prob right :D ill pastebin anyway just for the hell
Apr 26 12:31:53 <AStorm> it should be like char x[21]; int num; scanf("%20s = %i", &x, &i);
Apr 26 12:31:53 <lcuk> http://pastebin.ca/998326
Apr 26 12:32:07 <AStorm> if it's a malloced char*, then use just x
Apr 26 12:32:09 <lcuk> yer i didnt supply the address
Apr 26 12:32:12 <AStorm> :>
Apr 26 12:32:18 <lcuk> i already did the 21
Apr 26 12:33:57 <lcuk> w00t :) thanks astorm
Apr 26 12:34:15 <lcuk> it doesnt parse most, but at least now i know where i was going wrong
Apr 26 12:34:34 <AStorm> it won't eat multiple spaces
Apr 26 12:35:08 <lcuk> no thats ok - ill just write out the file without
Apr 26 12:35:13 <AStorm> ok
Apr 26 12:35:14 <lcuk> i just need quick dirty format
Apr 26 12:35:32 * lcuk couldnt see the wood for the trees though
Apr 26 12:36:33 <lcuk> it also wont end the string at the next token in the format
Apr 26 12:46:35 <AStorm> why should it?
Apr 26 12:48:46 <lcuk> i expected it to continue the format when it encountered the next constant token from the format string, but that was just me being wildly optimistic
Apr 26 12:49:22 <lcuk> ive spent too long using string formatting functions i wrote years ago which do that..
Apr 26 12:50:09 <AStorm> heh
Apr 26 12:50:38 <AStorm> I could try prism54usb driver
Apr 26 12:50:54 <AStorm> is the wifi chip the same in N770 and N8x0?
Apr 26 12:51:10 <AStorm> (there's a diff higher firmware, but that's no problem)
Apr 26 12:52:25 <AStorm> nah, normal p54 should work
Apr 26 12:53:36 <AStorm> yes, it has some SPI support too, and I've found mailing list info
Apr 26 12:54:06 <AStorm> we could write a layer which converts those funny dbus messages into real wpa_supplicant and iwconfig calls
Apr 26 13:03:33 <AStorm> hey, anyone alive
Apr 26 13:03:40 <AStorm> where can I edit menu items?
Apr 26 13:03:43 <AStorm> power menu
Apr 26 13:05:08 <AStorm> I thought I uninstalled powerlaunch, hmm
Apr 26 13:07:51 <johnx> I'm here. Check /etc/mce.ini maybe?
Apr 26 13:08:18 <AStorm> nope
Apr 26 13:08:30 <AStorm> weird, I uninstalled powerlaunch, yet it still starts
Apr 26 13:08:43 <AStorm> and 2.6.25 doesn't boot, at all
Apr 26 13:08:47 <AStorm> I wonder why
Apr 26 13:09:17 <johnx> have you at least got it showing you a text console? or will it not even do that?
Apr 26 13:09:56 <AStorm> no, nothing
Apr 26 13:10:00 <AStorm> hang at Nokia logo
Apr 26 13:10:09 <AStorm> even though fbcon is enabled
Apr 26 13:10:36 <johnx> and you have fb console compiled in and OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=y or similar? (or are using fanoush's new initfs with that option)
Apr 26 13:11:07 <AStorm> yes
Apr 26 13:11:12 <AStorm> both
Apr 26 13:13:01 <AStorm> I'll now try the mpu (junk) timer
Apr 26 13:13:47 <AStorm> not the 32KHz which is used by nokia defconfig
Apr 26 13:14:17 <AStorm> hrw|gone: any help?
Apr 26 13:16:18 <AStorm> I'll try booting the qemu-n800 with the kernel
Apr 26 13:16:20 <AStorm> just to be sure
Apr 26 13:20:29 <AStorm> I need a serial console :P
Apr 26 13:21:16 <johnx> if you have fbcon enabled and the "MANUAL_UPDATE" thing it should spam text as the kernel is decompressing...
Apr 26 13:23:15 <AStorm> nothing is happening
Apr 26 13:23:19 <AStorm> I only get Nokia logo
Apr 26 13:23:34 <AStorm> it doesn't spam any text, although options are correct
Apr 26 13:24:26 <johnx> and you tried the kernel in qemu?
Apr 26 13:24:52 <johnx> you should be able to have it give you a "serial console" that outputs to the xterm you launch it from
Apr 26 13:25:30 <AStorm> I'll try
Apr 26 13:25:44 <AStorm> how do I mod the scratchbox' qemu to run it?
Apr 26 13:25:59 <johnx> err? you don't I think
Apr 26 13:26:11 <qwerty12_N800> hrw's qemu?
Apr 26 13:26:20 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: will that work on my Gentoo?
Apr 26 13:26:24 <johnx> that's a "user mode" qemu, you need to use the qemu-system that hrw talked about
Apr 26 13:26:31 <johnx> it should work on gentoo
Apr 26 13:26:33 <AStorm> and where do I get that config.mtd
Apr 26 13:26:47 <qwerty12_N800> AStorm: should do, u build it urself.
Apr 26 13:26:54 <johnx> probably by breaking down a Nokia OS2008 release
Apr 26 13:26:57 <qwerty12_N800> From your n810
Apr 26 13:27:14 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: he said that the line he gave won't work
Apr 26 13:27:21 <AStorm> so?
Apr 26 13:27:58 <qwerty12_N800> True, it won't boot fully but it should bbe enough  for bootup kernel output.
Apr 26 13:28:10 <qwerty12_N800> s/bbe/be/
Apr 26 13:28:11 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: True, it won't boot fully but it should be enough  for bootup kernel output.
Apr 26 13:28:35 <AStorm> maybe
Apr 26 13:29:01 <AStorm> argh
Apr 26 13:29:11 <AStorm> my btrfs hung again, brb
Apr 26 13:29:18 <AStorm> need to redo it
Apr 26 13:30:47 * qwerty12_N800 goes back to freeing up space on my n800's /
Apr 26 13:34:05 <AStorm> might be that my toolchain is bad, that would be non-funny ;P
Apr 26 13:34:52 * johnx watches debian sid/armel install in qemu-system
Apr 26 13:35:30 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: Does your debian armel port boot in qemu?
Apr 26 13:35:46 <johnx> well, keep in mind it's not a port
Apr 26 13:35:46 <qwerty12_N800> I really need to try it out.
Apr 26 13:36:02 <johnx> the only thing I've done is package up some other people's hacks
Apr 26 13:36:15 <johnx> and make a nice tarball release that boots you into hildon-desktop
Apr 26 13:36:31 <qwerty12_N800> Fair do's, I just consider everything (wrongly) to  be a port.
Apr 26 13:37:01 <johnx> well, basically what I'm saying is booting my "port" is the same as booting stock "armel debian" for all intents and purposes
Apr 26 13:37:12 * qwerty12_N800 needs a new sd card & usb keyboard
Apr 26 13:37:16 <johnx> for my virtual "compile box" I just use plain vanilla debian
Apr 26 13:37:23 <qwerty12_N800> ok
Apr 26 13:38:13 <johnx> and yes, stock vanilla debian boots nicely on a virtualized "versatile" ARM board in qemu
Apr 26 13:39:03 <qwerty12_N800> Thanks, may as well try it out. atm, the qemu has non-working os2008.
Apr 26 13:39:56 <johnx> look here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto
Apr 26 13:40:08 <johnx> page down to the qemu section
Apr 26 13:40:18 <johnx> you might need to hunt down current versions of the files mentioned though
Apr 26 13:40:26 <johnx> or mix and match, or something
Apr 26 13:40:59 <qwerty12_N800> ah, thanks. I was going to mount jffs2 image and extract your tarball into it >.<
Apr 26 13:42:16 <qwerty12_N800> I'd be interested in trying out angstrom and android if/when they get touchscreen issue sorted..
Apr 26 13:42:41 <AStorm> hmm, doesnt work?
Apr 26 13:42:41 <johnx> for android, I'd wait until google hands out the source
Apr 26 13:42:43 <AStorm> "This architecture uses 134938624 bytes of memory"
Apr 26 13:42:50 <AStorm> and nothing, just a blink
Apr 26 13:43:04 <johnx> interesting
Apr 26 13:43:32 <AStorm> -m 131 fixed that
Apr 26 13:43:37 <AStorm> now, it crashes nicely ;P
Apr 26 13:43:42 <johnx> woo!
Apr 26 13:43:47 <johnx> with helpful messages?
Apr 26 13:43:48 <AStorm> qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000004
Apr 26 13:43:58 <AStorm> very helpful full dump I can't read
Apr 26 13:44:18 <AStorm> wait, now that I tried zImage
Apr 26 13:44:20 <AStorm> it booted
Apr 26 13:44:25 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, and for angstrom, well the source is out there. Everyone seems to wait until it's all nice and fixed. It's entirely possible that the fix is a trivial little misplaced file or wrong option in a config.
Apr 26 13:44:29 <johnx> booted? woo!
Apr 26 13:44:30 <AStorm> but only gave a white screen
Apr 26 13:44:38 <AStorm> mipid_reset: Display off
Apr 26 13:44:38 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0a8
Apr 26 13:44:38 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a0d8
Apr 26 13:44:38 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a108
Apr 26 13:44:38 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a138
Apr 26 13:44:39 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a168
Apr 26 13:44:41 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a198
Apr 26 13:44:43 <AStorm> omap_gpmc_read: Bad register 0x6800a1c8
Apr 26 13:44:45 <AStorm> omap_gpio_module_write: Read-only register 0x4801a000
Apr 26 13:44:59 <AStorm> I'll add some initfs
Apr 26 13:45:10 <qwerty12_N800> AStorm: those may be part of broken qemu afaik
Apr 26 13:45:23 <johnx> or part of some problem with .25
Apr 26 13:45:28 <AStorm> :>
Apr 26 13:45:50 <AStorm> I can try 2.6.21 first, to check
Apr 26 13:45:53 <AStorm> then work upwards
Apr 26 13:47:14 <qwerty12_N800> Not to be skeptical and belittle your work but what benefits does .25 bring?
Apr 26 13:47:27 <AStorm> mostly, CFS
Apr 26 13:47:35 <johnx> ah
Apr 26 13:47:45 <qwerty12_N800> Thanks
Apr 26 13:48:48 <AStorm> and Nokia is dumb for not enabling CFQ elevator ;>
Apr 26 13:48:52 <AStorm> but that can be easily added
Apr 26 13:49:22 <trickie> also kprobes for ARM
Apr 26 13:50:56 <qwerty12_N800> I'd quite like to see kexec but I think fanoush will be working on that some time or other from what I saw in his post.
Apr 26 13:53:12 <AStorm> trickie: ya
Apr 26 13:53:28 <AStorm> kexec is more tricky, needs all devices to uninit nicely
Apr 26 13:53:40 <AStorm> now testing 2.6.21-omap1 vs that qemu-system
Apr 26 13:55:09 <AStorm> if I manage to get at least 2.6.23 to run, it will be great
Apr 26 13:55:20 <AStorm> because porting from there on will be much easier
Apr 26 14:07:09 <term-sig> argh1
Apr 26 14:09:26 <AStorm> argh^2
Apr 26 14:09:32 <AStorm> did some work, then segfaulted ;)
Apr 26 14:10:05 <AStorm> the original zImage worked
Apr 26 14:10:12 <AStorm> my own 2.6.21-omap1 didn't
Apr 26 14:10:41 <AStorm> maybe I need some patch?
Apr 26 14:11:16 <johnx_> some patch? You're using Nokia's source, right?
Apr 26 14:11:48 <AStorm> no, linux-omap branch
Apr 26 14:12:31 <johnx_> ah, pull Nokia's and at least look at the patches
Apr 26 14:12:35 * lcuk_lap prepares to install scratchbox on laptop
Apr 26 14:12:41 <AStorm> johnx_: well
Apr 26 14:12:43 <AStorm> where?
Apr 26 14:13:06 <johnx_> eh? in scratchbox do apt-cache search kernel
Apr 26 14:13:07 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk_lap: good luck, this is my 3rd install... (my fault)
Apr 26 14:13:15 <trickie> AStorm: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz
Apr 26 14:13:38 <trickie> on top of the vanilla 2.6.21
Apr 26 14:13:38 <trickie> IIRC
Apr 26 14:13:38 <term-sig> AStorm: are u pl?
Apr 26 14:13:38 <RST38h> All righty, iNES is running on the tablet
Apr 26 14:13:48 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: brilliant!
Apr 26 14:13:51 <johnx_> cool
Apr 26 14:14:32 <AStorm> trickie: but not on top of linux-omap :P
Apr 26 14:14:40 <AStorm> term-sig: yes, what it's to you
Apr 26 14:14:56 <term-sig> nothing. ;)
Apr 26 14:15:01 <RST38h> Will take a few days to test and package it though...
Apr 26 14:15:48 <trickie> AStorm: well some of it has been merged up to linux-omap, but not all i guess
Apr 26 14:29:01 <AStorm> I can do hand merge, but it will be a lot of work
Apr 26 14:33:23 <AStorm> older omap trees have broken mmc for example
Apr 26 14:34:07 <fysa> prism is very nice for gmail/google reader.  low memory footprint also (30mb) .. maybe once our browser is caught up.
Apr 26 14:36:07 <RST38h> 30MB is low? =)
Apr 26 14:36:21 <fysa> compared to 130mb :)
Apr 26 14:36:37 <RST38h> well, if you put it that way...
Apr 26 15:08:46 <Oniano> hi
Apr 26 15:08:55 <johnx_> hello
Apr 26 15:08:57 <Oniano> just got my N810 this morning
Apr 26 15:09:11 <Oniano> are the Nokia repos down?
Apr 26 15:09:17 <Oniano> cause i can't seem to install anything
Apr 26 15:09:48 <johnx_> They appear to be up
Apr 26 15:09:58 <johnx_> What are you trying to install?
Apr 26 15:09:59 <Oniano> hmmm
Apr 26 15:10:01 <Oniano> skype
Apr 26 15:10:18 <johnx_> ah, I wonder what repo that's in...
Apr 26 15:10:36 <qwerty12> Standard Nokia repo afaik (not extras)
Apr 26 15:10:44 <Oniano> 'Nokia Catalogue'
Apr 26 15:10:53 <sp3000> catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com_certified_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel
Apr 26 15:11:15 <qwerty12> http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/
Apr 26 15:11:20 <Oniano> i've enabled root and ssh etc
Apr 26 15:11:34 <Oniano> so when i manually do an apt-get update
Apr 26 15:11:37 <qwerty12> Nice work for a morning :)
Apr 26 15:11:48 <qwerty12> what does "apt-get install skype" do?
Apr 26 15:12:20 <qwerty12> If all else fails, grab all the packages (yes, all, I believe skype metapackage depends on all of them) from here: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/chinook/user/s/skype/
Apr 26 15:12:32 <sp3000> or, alternately, check menu -> tools -> log in app manager
Apr 26 15:12:42 <Oniano> couldn't stat source
Apr 26 15:12:51 <Oniano> i've run apt-get update to try and fix it
Apr 26 15:13:07 <Oniano> but it can't conenct to catalogue.tableteer....
Apr 26 15:13:28 <qwerty12> Just grab the debs from the link I've given twice and dpkg it.
Apr 26 15:13:50 <sp3000> Oniano: pastebin?
Apr 26 15:14:03 <Oniano> well, that's a quickfix
Apr 26 15:14:38 <Oniano> sp3000: what do you need to know?
Apr 26 15:14:45 <Oniano> `pastbin
Apr 26 15:14:50 <Oniano> `pastebin
Apr 26 15:15:15 <sp3000> flavor of can't connect I suppose
Apr 26 15:15:54 <Oniano> connection timed out
Apr 26 15:16:17 <sp3000> what does the device's browser say about http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ?
Apr 26 15:17:15 <Oniano> aha
Apr 26 15:17:22 <Oniano> nslookup can't reslove it
Apr 26 15:17:58 <qwerty12> That's quite odd as my desktop can resolve it.
Apr 26 15:18:54 <Oniano> yeh
Apr 26 15:18:55 <Oniano> so can mine
Apr 26 15:19:20 <sp3000> can you resolve other things on the tablet?
Apr 26 15:19:37 <Oniano> yup
Apr 26 15:19:49 <Oniano> actually no...
Apr 26 15:20:41 <Oniano> i can ping it
Apr 26 15:21:06 <Oniano> right
Apr 26 15:21:07 <qwerty12> I just tried apt-get install skype on my N800 OS2008 and it worked. (it started downloading at least)
Apr 26 15:21:15 <Oniano> sorry for wasting your time
Apr 26 15:21:22 <Oniano> a reboot has just fixed my problem
Apr 26 15:21:40 <Oniano> i think i'll lurk around here still tho...
Apr 26 15:21:40 <johnx> no worries :)
Apr 26 15:21:44 * sp3000 wonders what wedged
Apr 26 15:21:51 <Oniano> about to try and grab some frames from the camera
Apr 26 15:22:10 <johnx> via usb?
Apr 26 15:23:27 <Oniano> well, grab then send over wifi to a mothership
Apr 26 15:23:52 <Oniano> the justification for the n810 was a tablet, video player for my commute
Apr 26 15:24:08 <Oniano> + a testing platform for this robot i have in mind
Apr 26 15:24:26 <Oniano> cause it has nearly exactly the same spec as the gumstix which will eventually be in my robot
Apr 26 15:25:05 <johnx> probably a good deal faster than the gumstix, though :)
Apr 26 15:25:27 <Oniano> don't think so
Apr 26 15:25:48 <johnx> xscale 270 @ 416MHz vs Omap2420 @ 400Mhz?
Apr 26 15:25:55 <johnx> my money is on the omap2
Apr 26 15:26:09 <Oniano> 600Mhz
Apr 26 15:26:20 <johnx> that would make up the difference I suppose
Apr 26 15:26:57 <Oniano> i don't plan on doing much processing as such on the platform
Apr 26 15:27:24 <Oniano> grab frames send to mothership for processing
Apr 26 15:27:43 <AStorm> ok, I've ported some needed mmc patch
Apr 26 15:27:54 <AStorm> now linux-omap 2.6.21 builds and seems to work
Apr 26 15:27:59 <AStorm> I'll check on the live device
Apr 26 15:28:05 <qwerty12> Nice
Apr 26 15:28:07 <lcuk> if this mothership is in orbit, could you have it blast the gps sats a little closer..  my gps is a bit flakey and needs a signal boost
Apr 26 15:28:19 <Oniano> haha
Apr 26 15:28:33 <Oniano> i haven't tested it outside yet
Apr 26 15:28:44 <RST38h> johnx: XScale will probably win
Apr 26 15:28:49 <Oniano> it can't lock onto any sats despite being near 6ft windows
Apr 26 15:29:05 <johnx> RST38h, at 600MHz, yeah maybe so
Apr 26 15:29:22 <RST38h> Let's see if anybody tried comparing them...
Apr 26 15:29:23 <johnx> with both at 400Mhz? well it depends on the task
Apr 26 15:29:26 <qwerty12> I'll say XScale. Not knowing anything about them but I hate TI.
Apr 26 15:29:56 <konttori> what are you guys talking about anyway?
Apr 26 15:29:58 <RST38h> XScale is Intel (currently Marvell)
Apr 26 15:30:22 <AStorm> hmm, still fail
Apr 26 15:30:28 <johnx> RST38h, if you can give me a benchmark I'll run it for you. I have a pxa270 416MHz and an N800 sitting in front of me
Apr 26 15:30:40 <RST38h> I am looking for a ready made comparison...
Apr 26 15:31:34 <konttori> xscale is owned by marvell (wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture)
Apr 26 15:31:47 <AStorm> so something else essential for boot is in that patch
Apr 26 15:31:48 <konttori> ah someone already said that. sorry
Apr 26 15:32:02 <RST38h> Here is a slightly outdated test
Apr 26 15:32:27 <RST38h> iPAQ h2210 (400MHz PXA255) vs HTC Hurricane (195MHz OMAP1)
Apr 26 15:32:48 <RST38h> XScale: 8.8 milliseconds to load jpeg thumbnail, OMAP: 15.1 milliseconds
Apr 26 15:32:56 <qwerty12> AStorm, the Nokia patch? Have you looked at nokia's nokia_2420_defconfig .config file?
Apr 26 15:33:06 <qwerty12> too. may be something good in that.
Apr 26 15:33:08 <AStorm> I used it
Apr 26 15:33:13 <AStorm> so, that's not just it
Apr 26 15:33:25 <RST38h> Oh yeeessss:
Apr 26 15:33:26 <RST38h> http://pantosh.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/gxbench.gif
Apr 26 15:33:27 <qwerty12> Ah. Here I was hoping :/
Apr 26 15:33:29 <RST38h> Enjoy
Apr 26 15:34:09 <johnx> the -2- is important in omap
Apr 26 15:34:32 <AStorm> yup
Apr 26 15:34:37 <RST38h> Looking for a newer chart
Apr 26 15:34:44 <AStorm> and 400MHz vs 200MHz ;P
Apr 26 15:34:59 <RST38h> Here is the benchmark, if anybody wants to run it: http://www.int13.net/gxmark.htm
Apr 26 15:35:22 <johnx> only linux here :P
Apr 26 15:35:30 <RST38h> thought so
Apr 26 15:35:35 <qwerty12> My PPC is dead :/
Apr 26 15:37:05 <MangoFusion> which reminds me, really need to sell my axim!
Apr 26 15:38:00 <johnx> RST38h, dhrystone mips acceptable? both devices running Debian/armel?
Apr 26 15:38:19 <RST38h> yea
Apr 26 15:38:26 <RST38h> dhrystone will do
Apr 26 15:38:38 <RST38h> Unfortunately, I can't even find this kind of comparison
Apr 26 15:38:52 <RST38h> Almost like the manufacturers kill everybody who tries doing a ocmparison
Apr 26 15:39:07 <johnx> well I'll take that risk :D
Apr 26 15:39:25 <qwerty12> Wait, my contractors are calling me...
Apr 26 15:39:30 <johnx> also, realize that I'm not biased given that I use *both* devices. I don't really care which one "wins"
Apr 26 15:39:49 <RST38h> neither do I really
Apr 26 15:40:08 <RST38h> But it is still an interesting comparison to make
Apr 26 15:40:13 <johnx> seat-o-the pants meter says the OMAP2 is a bunch faster though
Apr 26 15:41:43 <johnx> actually, I'll be glad to know the answer to this one as well. :)
Apr 26 15:42:32 <woodwizzle> Anyone here put on a screen protector?
Apr 26 15:42:42 <RST38h> A board manufacturer rates 400MHz XScale PXA255 at 480MIPS (Dhrystone 2.1)
Apr 26 15:42:53 <woodwizzle> I'm reading some instructions, and it tells me to remove the faceplate first. How do I get it off?
Apr 26 15:43:39 <johnx> woodwizzle, n800?
Apr 26 15:43:50 <woodwizzle> yup
Apr 26 15:44:15 <johnx> http://www.symbian-guru.com/welcome/2007/05/n800-faceplate.html
Apr 26 15:44:25 <johnx> that's the guide I followed
Apr 26 15:44:59 <woodwizzle> thanks
Apr 26 15:46:22 <RST38h> Anybody got dhrystone results for S60 devices?
Apr 26 15:47:34 * johnx installs build-essential on zaurus
Apr 26 15:48:16 <johnx> ... and N800/Debian
Apr 26 15:50:40 <Italodance> HI :D
Apr 26 15:51:57 <AStorm> hmm
Apr 26 15:52:15 <AStorm> could someone give me reference build of N8x0 2.6.21 kernel?
Apr 26 15:52:26 <lopz> hola
Apr 26 15:52:29 <AStorm> not grabbed from the device, built
Apr 26 15:52:32 <AStorm> lopz: hello
Apr 26 15:52:58 <lopz> heya AStorm !
Apr 26 15:53:02 <qwerty12> AStorm, I can give you link to one but it has case_copy symbol exported.
Apr 26 15:53:04 <qwerty12> lopz, hi
Apr 26 15:53:12 <lopz> ;]
Apr 26 15:53:12 <AStorm> qwerty12: what is that symbol?
Apr 26 15:53:23 <qwerty12> No idea, I needed it for building union-fs
Apr 26 15:53:23 <AStorm> I have no problem with some add. symbol
Apr 26 15:53:25 <AStorm> ah
Apr 26 15:53:31 <AStorm> ok, do you have the .config too?
Apr 26 15:53:37 <Oniano> hmmm
Apr 26 15:53:40 <AStorm> and does it have fbcon?
Apr 26 15:53:41 <Oniano> still having the problem
Apr 26 15:53:54 <qwerty12> I needed no config to go with that symbol. and no fbcon, it's stock kernel with that symbol added.
Apr 26 15:54:58 <AStorm> hm
Apr 26 15:55:11 <AStorm> I want to check if it'd boot on N810
Apr 26 15:56:16 <qwerty12> here is the one I built - http://www.mediafire.com/?byzz1y9ojmf - stock with case copy. if nothing uses case_copy, it shouldn't affect anything.
Apr 26 15:56:32 <qwerty12> I'd build a stock one right now but my scratchbox is messing me around.
Apr 26 15:58:22 <AStorm> ok
Apr 26 16:02:14 <AStorm> hmm, n800 kernel worked
Apr 26 16:02:44 <AStorm> at least go to Booting screen :>
Apr 26 16:02:48 <qwerty12> N800 and N810 kernel are identical. According to what I've read and pieced out from the help screens.
Apr 26 16:02:53 <AStorm> hm
Apr 26 16:03:08 <AStorm> So I'll probably have to dig into that patchset
Apr 26 16:03:18 <AStorm> maybe do a full tree diff
Apr 26 16:03:35 <AStorm> vs linux-omap
Apr 26 16:03:38 <AStorm> see what's missing
Apr 26 16:04:29 <qwerty12> Probably a lot. I really hate those TI idiots.
Apr 26 16:07:11 <AStorm> well, it's Nokia's fault IMO
Apr 26 16:07:25 <AStorm> they didn't push out their nice patches in nice segmented form to linux-omap
Apr 26 16:08:13 <AStorm> Fortunately, I can probably diff linux-omap-2.6.21 vs nokia variant
Apr 26 16:08:22 <AStorm> then port the changes to 2.6.25
Apr 26 16:08:35 <qwerty12> But I hate TI for their crappy wireless chipset which has no linux drivers. I'm stuck with ndiswrapper. And they say ". TI has a strong history of delivering Linux solutions"
Apr 26 16:08:38 <qwerty12> Tossers.
Apr 26 16:08:39 <AStorm> right now I'm testing if the normal kernel built will work
Apr 26 16:08:40 <RST38h> AStorm <--- now got REALLY involved =)
Apr 26 16:09:01 <AStorm> RST38h: not yet
Apr 26 16:09:06 <RST38h> qwerty: show we remember the AGPS chip too? :)
Apr 26 16:09:22 <AStorm> qwerty12: can't you try p54?
Apr 26 16:09:33 <AStorm> ah, you mean that ACXxxx?
Apr 26 16:09:36 <AStorm> there is a driver too
Apr 26 16:09:43 <qwerty12> AStorm, it doesn't support my card :)
Apr 26 16:09:46 <qwerty12> RST38h, indeed :)
Apr 26 16:09:57 <AStorm> TI devices nowadays are usually acx1(0/1)0 or p54
Apr 26 16:10:51 <AStorm> ok, my built kernel work
Apr 26 16:10:54 <AStorm> *works
Apr 26 16:11:02 <AStorm> including FB
Apr 26 16:11:04 <qwerty12> kl
Apr 26 16:11:09 <AStorm> but, wait
Apr 26 16:11:19 <AStorm> I've got a black screen with a _ on it ;P
Apr 26 16:11:29 <AStorm> after it booted ;P
Apr 26 16:11:37 <qwerty12> This is the best FB implementation I've seen :p
Apr 26 16:12:06 <AStorm> and the watchdog killed the device
Apr 26 16:12:25 <qwerty12> :(. Any chance of getting a syslog?
Apr 26 16:12:43 <AStorm> possible
Apr 26 16:12:54 <AStorm> it gets to initfs, so I should be able to ssh in
Apr 26 16:13:07 <lcuk> ..quickly..
Apr 26 16:13:14 <AStorm> or is it?
Apr 26 16:13:20 <RST38h> Could somebody enlighten me on why Ubuntu shipped FireFox3b with the latest distribution?
Apr 26 16:13:40 <qwerty12> RST38h, no idea but I love it :p
Apr 26 16:13:52 <qwerty12> When final comes out, it's supposed to be another update.
Apr 26 16:14:03 <AStorm> I'll add cramfs instead
Apr 26 16:14:07 <johnx> RST38h, because they don't want to switch major versions in the middle of maintaiing a stable release
Apr 26 16:14:10 <lcuk> RST38h, general feeling is that since its a long term support offering they  would rather support ff3 for 5 years than be struggling keeping oldest version running for that long
Apr 26 16:14:12 <AStorm> or build the initfs in
Apr 26 16:14:13 <RST38h> it's halfbaked
Apr 26 16:14:20 <RST38h> oh
Apr 26 16:14:25 <RST38h> that's why
Apr 26 16:14:37 <johnx> the figure better halfbaked for a couple weeks then no security updates for a year or two
Apr 26 16:14:40 <lcuk> still think its wrong
Apr 26 16:15:07 <lcuk> personally, for a lts it would be better to include *no* default browser and force the user to decide, but thats not very friendly
Apr 26 16:15:29 <qwerty12> Yep, I always though ies4linux should be an option... :p
Apr 26 16:15:40 <qwerty12> s/though/thought/
Apr 26 16:15:40 <johnx> lcuk, yeah, a browser is definitely an expected part of an OS these days
Apr 26 16:15:40 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: Yep, I always thought ies4linux should be an option... :p
Apr 26 16:15:47 <lcuk> well im gonna wait for Ubuntu SP1 before updating :)
Apr 26 16:15:58 <AStorm> drat, my initfs is oh so slightly too big ;)
Apr 26 16:16:09 <johnx> they'll have debs for ff3 final within a day or two of release I bet
Apr 26 16:16:21 <lcuk> AStorm, initf?     intfs?     nitfs?
Apr 26 16:16:31 <johnx> RST38h, btw, I got dhrystone to compile and run and at 10,000,000 runs through the xscale and omap2 are showing *exactly* the same result
Apr 26 16:16:41 <qwerty12> nitfs has quite a nice ring to it.
Apr 26 16:16:46 <AStorm> lcuk: hehehehe, well, it is too large to attack to the kernel
Apr 26 16:16:52 <johnx> I'll give them more iterations to go through and head off to bed
Apr 26 16:17:39 <lcuk> johnx, something sounds screwy, ive never seen identical benchmark results on the same amchine let alone on 2 diff cpus..
Apr 26 16:17:45 <AStorm> ok, my initfs booted nicely
Apr 26 16:17:52 <AStorm> and I'm in the shell
Apr 26 16:17:57 <johnx> lcuk, I think the sample set is too small
Apr 26 16:18:16 <johnx> at 1m runs through they showed disturbingly round numbers
Apr 26 16:18:47 <johnx> anyways, dhrystone is pretty basic and doesn't take advantage of many fancy "new-cpu" features IE, anything that was invented after 1990
Apr 26 16:18:52 <AStorm> ok, watchdog rebooted me
Apr 26 16:18:55 <AStorm> have to disable that
Apr 26 16:19:34 <flavioribeiro> hi all, im trying to execute maemo-sdk-install script in my fedora distro and i got this error; Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Apr 26 16:19:47 * johnx sleeps
Apr 26 16:19:49 <qwerty12> flavioribeiro, same problem as me this morning :)
Apr 26 16:19:51 <qwerty12> wait a sec.
Apr 26 16:20:02 <flavioribeiro> okay
Apr 26 16:20:15 <qwerty12> sudo -i and echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled :)
Apr 26 16:20:41 <qwerty12> you can add vdso=0 to grub/lilo kernel line to make it set on boot.
Apr 26 16:20:54 <qwerty12> Or you can recompile kernel with COMPAT_VDSO. (Long method)
Apr 26 16:21:04 <flavioribeiro> cool, good man. thanks a lot :]
Apr 26 16:21:17 <qwerty12> np
Apr 26 16:21:59 <AStorm> ok, how do I disable the watchdog?
Apr 26 16:22:10 <GeneralAntilles> flasher
Apr 26 16:22:11 <AStorm> (except removing it from the kernel)
Apr 26 16:22:12 <qwerty12> use the watchdog rd-mode flag in flasher-3.0
Apr 26 16:22:17 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 26 16:23:01 <Oniano> hmmm
Apr 26 16:23:06 <Oniano> this will have to wait until another day
Apr 26 16:24:34 <AStorm> ok,, rd-mode didn't help
Apr 26 16:24:42 <AStorm> watchdog killed the device just fine ;P
Apr 26 16:24:58 <qwerty12> watchdog is a separate flag
Apr 26 16:24:58 <GeneralAntilles> You didn't set the flags correctly.
Apr 26 16:25:34 <AStorm> which flag?
Apr 26 16:25:37 <GeneralAntilles> flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags
Apr 26 16:25:39 <GeneralAntilles> Gives you the help.
Apr 26 16:25:58 <AStorm> ah, that one
Apr 26 16:26:52 <AStorm> the flasher doesn't want to do anything if I give it that parameter
Apr 26 16:26:57 <flavioribeiro> qwerty12, all i need to do is put ' vdso=0 ' in kernel line on menu.lst?
Apr 26 16:27:04 <qwerty12> Yes
Apr 26 16:27:14 <GeneralAntilles> flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset etc
Apr 26 16:27:26 <flavioribeiro> ok
Apr 26 16:27:37 <qwerty12> My one looks like this (for example) = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=17a11b78-1e88-4e97-9dea-68de3a2baea8 vdso=0 ro splash
Apr 26 16:27:39 <AStorm> =
Apr 26 16:27:41 <AStorm> ahha
Apr 26 16:28:04 <AStorm> no-omap-wd should work too
Apr 26 16:28:27 <GeneralAntilles> You may need a combination of all three.
Apr 26 16:28:41 <AStorm> no-omap-wd is the top one I think
Apr 26 16:28:45 <qwerty12> They seem to be different things.
Apr 26 16:28:47 <AStorm> retu-wd isn't used
Apr 26 16:28:57 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, they're all different
Apr 26 16:29:03 <qwerty12> no-lifeguard-reset disables lifeguard process.
Apr 26 16:29:03 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not sure exactly what each one covers, though.
Apr 26 16:29:16 <AStorm> qwerty12: lifeguard process isn't there
Apr 26 16:29:27 <AStorm> wait, no-omap-wd didn't work ;)
Apr 26 16:29:31 <qwerty12> no-omap-wd & no-retu-wd are odd. omap and retu are both hardware.
Apr 26 16:29:43 <qwerty12> retu is the main one afaik.
Apr 26 16:30:09 <AStorm> yes
Apr 26 16:30:17 <AStorm> no, omap is the main one :-)
Apr 26 16:30:41 <AStorm> funny, the modifiers of the keyboard aren't bound in the kernel
Apr 26 16:30:44 <qwerty12> Hehe true. But I'm thinking in terms of controlling the system (power, cpu rate etc)
Apr 26 16:31:03 <AStorm> I mean, Fn
Apr 26 16:32:50 <AStorm> hmm
Apr 26 16:33:39 <AStorm> Nokia was really afraid that something would go wrong
Apr 26 16:33:49 <AStorm> two watchdogs, lol ;)
Apr 26 16:34:05 <RST38h> It's a standard practice
Apr 26 16:34:15 <RST38h> Returns are really bad for business
Apr 26 16:34:23 <AStorm> but why two?
Apr 26 16:34:33 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 26 16:34:34 <RST38h> In case the first one fails! =)
Apr 26 16:34:35 <AStorm> uhm, I've disabled all of them, yet the device still reboots ;)
Apr 26 16:34:49 <qwerty12> AStorm, it probably isn't watchdong then ;)
Apr 26 16:34:52 <RST38h> Mayube there is a third one ;)
Apr 26 16:34:54 <AStorm> it is
Apr 26 16:35:05 <AStorm> no, I think the kernel has that watchdog enabled anyway
Apr 26 16:35:10 <RST38h> Made specially for this kind of tampering by a user
Apr 26 16:35:12 <qwerty12> Have you got a syslog that you can check?
Apr 26 16:36:05 <AStorm> I do, but I don't have SSH here yet, maybe
Apr 26 16:36:06 <AStorm> wait
Apr 26 16:36:18 <AStorm> to set that up by hand, I need time ;P
Apr 26 16:36:56 <Ziegler> is there currently a way to have ogg suport in canola AND voip google talk working at the same time?
Apr 26 16:37:09 <qwerty12> Ziegler, I read you can delete speex codec.
Apr 26 16:37:11 <AStorm> I want that first thing ;)
Apr 26 16:37:32 <AStorm> hmmm
Apr 26 16:37:39 <AStorm> no space for dropbear
Apr 26 16:37:47 <qwerty12> http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.4_armel.deb
Apr 26 16:37:52 <qwerty12> ^^ for canola
Apr 26 16:37:59 <qwerty12> install kulve's ogg-support first
Apr 26 16:38:14 <AStorm> I have that?
Apr 26 16:38:26 <AStorm> and yet it doesn't work ;>
Apr 26 16:38:28 <qwerty12> and remove speex codec from gstreamer directory to get voip working in theory
Apr 26 16:38:38 <qwerty12> AStorm, I haven't actually tried it out yet.
Apr 26 16:38:41 <AStorm> hm
Apr 26 16:38:50 <AStorm> I need to get real initfs bootup
Apr 26 16:38:52 <qwerty12> I'll put an ogg on there and see if Canola works.
Apr 26 16:39:35 <Ziegler> qwert... all I have to do is delete speex?
Apr 26 16:40:00 <Ziegler> interesting... let me try to find it
Apr 26 16:40:06 <qwerty12> Ziegler, Yes, in theory.
Apr 26 16:40:10 <Ziegler> I have ogg and canola working
Apr 26 16:40:22 <qwerty12> I think it's in /usr/lib/gstreamer<something here>
Apr 26 16:40:26 <AStorm> what's funny is that fanoush' initfs doesn't do anything to disable watchdog
Apr 26 16:40:40 <qwerty12> It's not meant to.
Apr 26 16:40:50 <Ziegler> lightmediascanner0-ogg was the most difficult to get a hold of
Apr 26 16:41:27 <Ziegler> I have it if anyone needs it
Apr 26 16:42:28 <Ziegler> if I rename libstspeex.so.. will that do it?
Apr 26 16:42:39 <Ziegler> "in theory:
Apr 26 16:42:40 <Ziegler> "
Apr 26 16:42:45 <qwerty12> I swear to God, scratchbox is fucking pissing me off.
Apr 26 16:42:48 <qwerty12> Should do.
Apr 26 16:44:20 <Ziegler> worked
Apr 26 16:44:23 <Ziegler> ok... now my question
Apr 26 16:44:27 <Ziegler> why does it work
Apr 26 16:44:42 <Ziegler> doesnt gtalk need it for voip?
Apr 26 16:45:00 <qwerty12> No, it gets installed as part of ogg-support. It wasn't installed before.
Apr 26 16:45:16 <Ziegler> why does it cause problems with gtalk?
Apr 26 16:45:32 <Ziegler> (curious is all)
Apr 26 16:45:40 <qwerty12> Can't remember. Check the IRC logs for the why.
Apr 26 16:45:45 <Ziegler> danke
Apr 26 16:46:10 <Ziegler> Astorm... do you want lightmediascanner0-ogg ?
Apr 26 16:47:02 <AStorm> Ziegler: sure, but in a while
Apr 26 16:47:10 <AStorm> hmm
Apr 26 16:47:16 <AStorm> dsme is starting init
Apr 26 16:47:22 <AStorm> I need single mode ;)
Apr 26 16:47:33 <AStorm> but, one plus - cramfs initfs works
Apr 26 16:47:38 <Ziegler> (I just got ogg support and canola working about 10 minutes ago... fairly simple process)
Apr 26 16:47:48 <qwerty12> Hmm cramfs would be nice. My router uses cramfs.
Apr 26 16:53:34 <AStorm> ok, maybe now I'm lucky and wd won't kill me
Apr 26 16:53:42 <AStorm> with dsme running in the background
Apr 26 17:01:25 * qwerty12 is currently purging my system of all scratchbox stuff. if it still doesn't work, i'm installing opensuse.
Apr 26 17:04:23 <qwerty12> Bye.
Apr 26 17:09:40 <AStorm> hm
Apr 26 17:09:51 <AStorm> I can't type numbers...
Apr 26 17:10:04 <AStorm> how am I supposed to set up an interface w/o numbers? ;)
Apr 26 17:26:07 <Ziegler> astorm... I put my canola ogg info here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175027#post175027
Apr 26 17:35:18 <AStorm> uhm, what's the password to fanoush' initfs? ;P
Apr 26 17:35:46 <GeneralAntilles> For dropbear?
Apr 26 17:35:48 <GeneralAntilles> rootme
Apr 26 17:35:53 <AStorm> ah, thx
Apr 26 17:36:26 <AStorm> hmm, dropbear doesn't support sftp, let's see if it knows scp
Apr 26 17:36:52 <elb> scp doesn't require any extra protocol junk
Apr 26 17:37:03 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 26 17:37:04 <elb> (so if it has an scp binary, it should)
Apr 26 17:38:07 <AStorm> yup, got dmesg in :>
Apr 26 17:40:58 <AStorm> ah, forgot to mount /dev/pty ;)
Apr 26 17:41:16 <AStorm> uhm, /dev/pts
Apr 26 18:04:54 <trickie> well my 2.6.25-omap1+hacks kernel seems to boot on my n800
Apr 26 18:05:02 <trickie> it all goes terribly wrong after that :)
Apr 26 18:05:40 <qwerty12_N800> Same probs as AStorm :)?
Apr 26 18:06:09 <trickie> i need to make a new initfs i reckon
Apr 26 18:16:22 <AStorm> nah, mine didn' boot ;)
Apr 26 18:16:38 <AStorm> trickie: care to gimme the .config?
Apr 26 18:16:53 <AStorm> trickie: and the descripion of hacks
Apr 26 18:17:26 <trickie> AStorm: try a nokia800_defconfig and then disable the V4L drivers
Apr 26 18:17:57 <AStorm> nah, that didn't work on my n810;)
Apr 26 18:18:13 <trickie> i have a n800
Apr 26 18:18:23 <trickie> and im doing it for mamona
Apr 26 18:18:25 <trickie> using OE
Apr 26 18:18:29 <trickie> and bitbake
Apr 26 18:18:38 <qwerty12_N800> does 2420 defconfig work?
Apr 26 18:20:48 <b0unc3_> guys is there any way to estimate the battery life (in days/hours) on a 770 ?
Apr 26 18:32:06 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: here with 2.6.21-nokia it does
Apr 26 18:32:14 <AStorm> but not with standard 2.6.21-omap1
Apr 26 18:32:20 <AStorm> and neither with 2.6.25-omap1
Apr 26 18:32:36 <AStorm> I'll try it once more
Apr 26 18:32:51 <qwerty12_N800> Ah, I wonder what differences are.
Apr 26 18:39:53 * lcuk bangs head on wall.  damned graphics drivers wont work properly on lap
Apr 26 18:41:33 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: which card?
Apr 26 18:41:52 <lcuk> nvidia go 420
Apr 26 18:42:21 <qwerty12_N800> You are on Ubuntu right?
Apr 26 18:42:29 <lcuk> ive jumped through plenty of hoops to get it partway there (ie9--*6--) but i cant get above
Apr 26 18:42:30 <lcuk> yer
Apr 26 18:42:41 <lcuk> 800*600
Apr 26 18:43:16 <qwerty12_N800> Have you tried "envy" to install the drivers? Sorry, if it was ati, I could have tried to help more.
Apr 26 18:44:12 <lcuk> nothing ive searched for re this laptop mentioned envy but i will give it a try
Apr 26 18:44:50 * lcuk has been told to modify edid files and stand on one leg and all sorts of things
Apr 26 18:44:54 <qwerty12_N800> It's an easy installer, it grabs the drivers from nvidia and compiles them etc
Apr 26 18:45:28 <lcuk> i think its all installed from that department, but i fear its the lcd at the far side - originally the card starts up thinking the tv out is primary
Apr 26 18:45:47 <qwerty12_N800> I had to make a new xorg.conf to get my radeon express to work :/
Apr 26 18:46:04 <lcuk> through the big long x config wizard thingy
Apr 26 18:46:09 <qwerty12_N800> Tried adding a resolution manually to xorg.conf?
Apr 26 18:46:16 <KotCzarny> lcuk
Apr 26 18:46:22 <KotCzarny> i think you have to disable any modes
Apr 26 18:46:29 <KotCzarny> and let x setup mode itself
Apr 26 18:46:31 <KotCzarny> afair
Apr 26 18:46:42 <KotCzarny> nv drivers were touchy in that place
Apr 26 18:46:43 <flavioribeiro> it seems repository.maemo.org is down :(
Apr 26 18:46:56 <flavioribeiro> can anyone from another country try to access to confirm it?
Apr 26 18:47:02 <lcuk> i did that the other day kot, still no luck getting it up above 800
Apr 26 18:47:49 <qwerty12_N800> You could add the resolution manually into xorg.conf and set it and hope for the best :/
Apr 26 18:48:16 <KotCzarny> lcuk, see the x.log ?
Apr 26 18:48:31 <KotCzarny> (or pastebin.com it)
Apr 26 18:48:35 <lcuk> flavioribeiro, repo server works but the application on it appears broken
Apr 26 18:48:38 <lcuk> kot, where do i find it
Apr 26 18:48:47 <KotCzarny>  /var/log/messages on my system
Apr 26 18:48:49 <KotCzarny> erm
Apr 26 18:48:52 <KotCzarny>  /var/log/
Apr 26 18:50:22 <lcuk_lap> argh i can see exactly 1 line of irc from here, will grab file
Apr 26 18:50:39 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk_lap: you may want to grab xchat :/
Apr 26 18:50:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 18:50:58 <lcuk> i will once i have a screen big enough to see windows in
Apr 26 18:51:10 <lcuk> at the moment the fonts are visible from orbit
Apr 26 18:52:09 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, I had problem with supplied ubuntu ati drivers. brightness was blinding...
Apr 26 18:53:34 <keesj> qwerty12_N800: idem here with my acer and 8.4
Apr 26 18:54:58 <qwerty12_N800> keesj: They never fixed it in 8.4 :(. I had the problem in 7.10. earlier versions  worked better out of box on the graphic front
Apr 26 18:56:18 <lcuk> http://pastebin.ca/998623
Apr 26 18:56:40 <lcuk> ow i can even see it on here as well!
Apr 26 18:57:11 <KotCzarny> (II) NVIDIA(0): Built-in logo is bigger than the screen.
Apr 26 18:57:12 <KotCzarny> hehe
Apr 26 18:57:27 <trickie> AStorm: with the n800_defconfig for 2.6.25 you need to enable all the TSC2301 related options
Apr 26 18:57:54 <lcuk> yer kot i wondered why i couldnt see anything :(
Apr 26 18:58:04 <qwerty12_N800> Oh yeah, nvidia shows that startup logo. i disabled it on my od comp
Apr 26 18:58:11 <qwerty12_N800> s/od/old/
Apr 26 18:58:11 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: Oh yeah, nvidia shows that startup logo. i disabled it on my old comp
Apr 26 18:58:27 <trickie> AStorm: at least that re-enables the dpad for me, and lets me shutdown from the initfs bootmenu when booting to flash dies
Apr 26 18:58:30 <qwerty12_N800> lol, my old comp wasn't high :p
Apr 26 18:58:39 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 26 18:58:53 <KotCzarny> this log seems too short
Apr 26 18:59:02 <lcuk> i might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics, but it tears so much
Apr 26 18:59:41 <KotCzarny> it's a pc?
Apr 26 18:59:44 <lcuk> there is an old one from 30 seconds before which is just slightly larger but i assume thats just from last boot
Apr 26 18:59:51 <lcuk> tosh laptop
Apr 26 19:00:09 <KotCzarny> 2 vid cards?
Apr 26 19:00:11 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 26 19:00:21 <lcuk> shouldnt have?
Apr 26 19:00:29 <KotCzarny> <lcuk> i might just disable the whole lot and go back to onboard graphics
Apr 26 19:00:39 <qwerty12_N800> I'd just take a punt and backup xorg.conf and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set resolutions and correct nvidia driver. But I guess that's why i don't have much luck...
Apr 26 19:00:44 <lcuk> *driver
Apr 26 19:00:56 <KotCzarny> btw. how have created x config?
Apr 26 19:01:28 <lcuk> this was how it was installed after running on the live disk and wiping windows
Apr 26 19:01:38 <lcuk> :$ i tell ya all every day im a n00b
Apr 26 19:01:45 <KotCzarny> you can try X -configure
Apr 26 19:01:55 <KotCzarny> that will generate base x config in /root
Apr 26 19:01:56 <keesj> qwerty12_N800: be a men an ssh from your device to your x server
Apr 26 19:02:13 <KotCzarny> backup one in /etc/X11 and copy newly created there
Apr 26 19:02:34 <lcuk> you know what.  im gonna take a chance on something.
Apr 26 19:02:36 <qwerty12_N800> keesj: Maybe :p
Apr 26 19:02:40 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 19:02:46 <lcuk> im gonna get 8.4 and reinstall from scratch nice and clean
Apr 26 19:03:40 <lcuk> and if that fails im not even gonna attempt to do anything else serious and just stick windows and vmware on
Apr 26 19:03:46 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 26 19:03:53 <qwerty12_N800> nah
Apr 26 19:03:53 <qwerty12_N800> at least dpkg-reconfig before that then
Apr 26 19:03:53 <KotCzarny> i can try configuring it
Apr 26 19:04:00 <KotCzarny> if you let me in
Apr 26 19:04:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 19:04:07 <qwerty12_N800> hack
Apr 26 19:04:32 <lcuk> is there such a thing as a reverse ssh session?   ie one that i initiate
Apr 26 19:04:48 <doc|work> lcuk: eh?
Apr 26 19:04:50 <KotCzarny> you can port forward with ssh
Apr 26 19:05:18 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: remote assistance on the mind? :p
Apr 26 19:05:18 <doc|work> even though you said it all wrong, I think you might be looking for autossh
Apr 26 19:05:59 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, not far off - we use listening vnc connections to clients behind all sorts of security
Apr 26 19:06:06 <KotCzarny> (and it will go down when you close forwarding ssh session)
Apr 26 19:07:06 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk: Interesting, i've never used vnc much except server on n800 and the time I was messing up teachers comps during lessons...
Apr 26 19:08:15 <Atarii> naughty
Apr 26 19:08:58 <qwerty12_N800> Hehe, we had a great time. I was sorely temped to press enter after typing goatse...
Apr 26 19:15:51 <trickie> AStorm: http://paste-it.net/public/a40293b/
Apr 26 19:16:29 <qwerty12_N800> muhahaha
Apr 26 19:16:29 <KotCzarny> nice
Apr 26 19:16:42 <KotCzarny> now we need some benchmarks
Apr 26 19:16:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 19:16:44 <trickie> AStorm: at least ssh running from fanoush's intifs
Apr 26 19:17:05 <trickie> booting to flash or mmc is stuffed, but thats for tomorrow :)
Apr 26 19:17:11 <trickie> now it is beer o'clock
Apr 26 19:17:21 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Apr 26 19:34:48 <flo_lap> re
Apr 26 19:38:21 <enn800> man i'm really annoyed with the sdict people, their wikipedia.dct download has problems
Apr 26 19:38:49 <enn800> i've been trying to dld the 3 files for about a week now thinking it's my connection
Apr 26 19:39:04 <KotCzarny> try some dl2mail service?
Apr 26 19:39:06 <KotCzarny> or proxy?
Apr 26 19:39:42 <enn800> well it craps out about 75% in the dld
Apr 26 19:39:48 <KotCzarny> use wget ?
Apr 26 19:40:03 <enn800> can't because they use php to dld
Apr 26 19:40:14 <KotCzarny> heh, anything is doable
Apr 26 19:40:31 <enn800> with captcha
Apr 26 19:40:38 <KotCzarny> still.
Apr 26 19:40:41 <qwerty12_N800> Use flashget in ff with wget
Apr 26 19:40:50 <KotCzarny> link should be valid for some time after entering captcha
Apr 26 19:40:51 <AStorm> trickie: the initfs in kernel, or on init partition?
Apr 26 19:42:21 <AStorm> enn800: I think they have too short timeout
Apr 26 19:42:38 <AStorm> you need to use some downloader which allows resuming
Apr 26 19:42:41 <enn800> yeah, for the size of the file
Apr 26 19:43:41 <AStorm> trickie: is it 2.6.25-omap1 tag, or latest git?
Apr 26 19:44:26 <trickie> AStorm: tag
Apr 26 19:44:30 <enn800> i have 1.6 Gb in .part files :/
Apr 26 19:48:04 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 26 19:49:46 <enn800> if i get those files i'll put them on my server
Apr 26 19:54:06 <enn800> i guess i should've looked for other options, just found this  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=75555&postcount=10
Apr 26 19:54:07 <cwillu> is there any sftp browser available?
Apr 26 20:06:16 <lcuk> heh youngest is looking for his lightning mcqueen car.   hes roaming the house calling his name
Apr 26 20:06:47 <KotCzarny> does it come when called?
Apr 26 20:06:48 <KotCzarny> o.O
Apr 26 20:07:36 <lcuk> you would think, i just told him he wont answer and he answered back that he would..
Apr 26 20:07:36 * enn800 bought premium membership for megupload
Apr 26 20:07:52 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 20:08:00 <KotCzarny> enn800: you were manipulated then :/
Apr 26 20:08:08 <qwerty12_N800> rapidshare and router reset for me
Apr 26 20:08:13 <enn800> i lost patience
Apr 26 20:08:15 <cwillu> I think this is the part of the movie where the kid goes and complains to his magic car about how nobody believes him
Apr 26 20:08:23 <MangoFusion> you are seriously
Apr 26 20:08:25 <MangoFusion> crazy
Apr 26 20:08:48 <KotCzarny> enn, will you give me money too if i annoy you long enough? :>
Apr 26 20:09:03 <lcuk> its right, we had a fight earlier about him putting back on his dirty scanky tea encrusted tshirt after his bath..
Apr 26 20:09:05 <enn800> i never thought i would but it's $10 vs a week of disappointments
Apr 26 20:09:22 <enn800> if you can keep it up for a week probably
Apr 26 20:09:44 <KotCzarny> sure, i'll write a script :>
Apr 26 20:10:06 <enn800> hah
Apr 26 20:10:07 <flo_lap> enn800: Wouldn't a vsever be cheaper? ;)
Apr 26 20:10:36 <MangoFusion> what are you downloading from megaupload all week anyway?
Apr 26 20:10:37 <lcuk> sometimes paying out a bit of cash is simplest all round
Apr 26 20:10:52 <enn800> i was trying to get it from the sdict server
Apr 26 20:11:03 <KotCzarny> assuming it wouldn't time out for him even with premium account
Apr 26 20:11:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 20:11:12 <enn800> haha
Apr 26 20:11:17 <enn800> that's not really funny
Apr 26 20:11:21 <enn800> well kinda
Apr 26 20:11:25 <lcuk> wanna bet?
Apr 26 20:11:44 <KotCzarny> btw. sdict server uses captcha access too?
Apr 26 20:11:46 <lcuk> at least if you paid your money you gain the right to comaplin to them like a bitch
Apr 26 20:11:59 <enn800> yeah KC
Apr 26 20:12:17 <KotCzarny> weird
Apr 26 20:12:23 <enn800> but you're lucky if you get 50 kb/s
Apr 26 20:12:36 <enn800> and 2 of the 3 files are aroud 1 gb
Apr 26 20:13:02 <enn800> nobody seeding th torrents i found...
Apr 26 20:13:09 <enn800> $10 is not much
Apr 26 20:13:22 <enn800> for wikipedia on n800
Apr 26 20:13:23 <KotCzarny> hope it works
Apr 26 20:13:30 <enn800> looks good so far
Apr 26 20:13:49 <KotCzarny> wikipedia is run by nazis anyway
Apr 26 20:14:05 <KotCzarny> ran?
Apr 26 20:14:16 <MangoFusion> i still think you are crazy in any case. but good luck reading wikipedia on your n800 in any case :)
Apr 26 20:14:45 <qwerty12_N800> I just save the articles I need.
Apr 26 20:14:50 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 20:15:03 <qwerty12_N800> I love stardict with Fbreader.
Apr 26 20:15:15 <enn800> a few weeks ago i dlded the wikipedia dump
Apr 26 20:15:33 <enn800> but that's about 14 gb uncompressed
Apr 26 20:15:52 <KotCzarny> only?
Apr 26 20:15:58 <KotCzarny> i have thought it's more
Apr 26 20:16:08 <enn800> just xml, no images
Apr 26 20:16:12 <KotCzarny> ahm
Apr 26 20:16:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 20:16:27 <enn800> i'll be travelling to south america this summer
Apr 26 20:16:32 <enn800> i think wifi will be a luxury
Apr 26 20:16:42 <enn800> where i'm going at least
Apr 26 20:16:45 <KotCzarny> get wifi router with you :)
Apr 26 20:16:58 <enn800> haha
Apr 26 20:17:01 <KotCzarny> and maybe a good antenna
Apr 26 20:17:18 <enn800> i don't think it'll help in the jungle
Apr 26 20:17:31 <KotCzarny> if you install it on the highest tree..
Apr 26 20:17:36 <enn800> BUT when that mean looking spider bites me i'll find a rememdy in a few seconds
Apr 26 20:17:41 <qwerty12_N800> a satellite phone with bt :p
Apr 26 20:17:49 <KotCzarny> some wifi links in good config can do ranges in km
Apr 26 20:18:00 <lcuk> KotCzarny, :) ive backed up the xorg and the modified edid i hacked.  at least if i need to reinstall i dont have to go through thatylot again
Apr 26 20:18:08 <enn800> do you know much about the wimax stuff?
Apr 26 20:18:10 <KotCzarny> enn: no, you won't
Apr 26 20:18:34 <lcuk> enn800, does the wikipedia do picture identification?
Apr 26 20:18:36 <KotCzarny> lcuk: nice that you get it working
Apr 26 20:18:54 <enn800> hm good point
Apr 26 20:19:09 <lcuk> "curing" yourself with the wrong fix may make you worse
Apr 26 20:19:11 <enn800> anyway, i'll be something of a mcgyver
Apr 26 20:19:26 <KotCzarny> also if tha panic starts you won't be able to do wiki searching
Apr 26 20:19:49 <lcuk> at least you could tell us what the provincial government is in west bolivia from 1998 and onwards is
Apr 26 20:20:02 <enn800> ok, what is the capital of honduras?
Apr 26 20:20:07 <enn800> without internets
Apr 26 20:20:10 <lcuk> as long as its non POV
Apr 26 20:21:37 <lcuk> i couldnt even pronounce the name even with the internet
Apr 26 20:21:40 <enn800> it's text-only
Apr 26 20:21:43 <enn800> i'm assuming
Apr 26 20:21:45 <lcuk> Tegucigalpa
Apr 26 20:21:49 <enn800> i know, i can't either
Apr 26 20:22:48 <lcuk> i like meandering my way through wikipedia and just following the threads along
Apr 26 20:22:59 <enn800> i have my problems with wikipedia like most people
Apr 26 20:23:05 <enn800> but it's still a good resource
Apr 26 20:23:24 <enn800> i had a britannica membership a while ago, it's nowhere near as entertaining
Apr 26 20:23:29 <lcuk> lol - theres a town not far from me whats been completely screwed up by wp
Apr 26 20:23:38 <enn800> how come
Apr 26 20:23:39 <lcuk> the edits were hilarious
Apr 26 20:23:54 <KotCzarny> lcuk: have you seen anchorun extension?
Apr 26 20:23:59 <KotCzarny> for firefox
Apr 26 20:24:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 20:24:19 <lcuk> Readers of the site have been misinformed that Denshaw is the home to an obese population of sun-starved, sheep hurling yokels with a brothel for a pub and a lingering tapeworm infection.
Apr 26 20:24:30 <qwerty12_N800> lmao
Apr 26 20:24:44 <KotCzarny> fun
Apr 26 20:24:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 20:24:54 <qwerty12_N800> I'll get a drink from  dere
Apr 26 20:25:11 <enn800> haha
Apr 26 20:26:50 <lcuk> its actually a lovely village - it does feel a bit like emerdale but i don't think that can be helped
Apr 26 20:27:10 <qwerty12_N800> Halifax page on wikipedia is a bit boring :/
Apr 26 20:28:18 <lcuk> dare i say - spice it up a bit
Apr 26 20:28:34 <lcuk> or not if you ever want to do anything on wp ever in the future ;)
Apr 26 20:29:04 <qwerty12_N800> I don't remember anything about it! Been years since I went back :(
Apr 26 20:29:17 <lcuk> is that really a bad thing?
Apr 26 20:29:22 <Atarii> lol lcdd
Apr 26 20:29:25 <Atarii> lcuk*
Apr 26 20:29:39 <Atarii> i heard of that town on wikipedia
Apr 26 20:29:42 <Atarii> it was on the news
Apr 26 20:29:51 <lcuk> yer
Apr 26 20:30:03 <qwerty12_N800> lol, I prefered Bradford and Manchester when I did go up north
Apr 26 20:30:35 <qwerty12_N800> But we have a tesco that is *surrounded* by houses
Apr 26 20:30:41 <lcuk> they both have good sides
Apr 26 20:31:16 <lcuk> i suppose that makes it easy to do the shopping
Apr 26 20:31:34 <lcuk> unless its a 24h one
Apr 26 20:32:12 <enn800> 300 MB done
Apr 26 20:32:16 <qwerty12_N800> Very, according to my dad, when we moved to east ldn, it was a factory (abandoned?)
Apr 26 20:32:19 <enn800> i'd say that was worth it
Apr 26 20:32:19 <KotCzarny> pffft
Apr 26 20:32:22 <KotCzarny> tesco shopping?
Apr 26 20:32:27 <KotCzarny> sounds like a suicide
Apr 26 20:32:50 <enn800> KC do you work for nokia?
Apr 26 20:32:57 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 20:33:01 * lcuk laffs
Apr 26 20:33:06 <enn800> what
Apr 26 20:33:22 * qwerty12_N800 is laughing all da way 2 da bank
Apr 26 20:33:44 <enn800> what
Apr 26 20:34:11 <lcuk> enn800, no i dont think there are any (none lurking) nokia employees here at the mo
Apr 26 20:34:35 <enn800> ok, just wodering
Apr 26 20:34:46 <qwerty12_N800> konttori is employed  by nokia
Apr 26 20:34:49 <enn800> since it seems like some people are giving this a lot of their time
Apr 26 20:34:56 <lcuk> for some reason i pictured kot as a phone salesman with slicked back hair
Apr 26 20:35:20 <enn800> i can see that
Apr 26 20:35:29 <qwerty12_N800> with da gold chain and ak...
Apr 26 20:35:30 <lcuk> enn800, we have all paid our money and help each other as much as possible.  we want these little nokia devices to work :)
Apr 26 20:35:56 <enn800> well it's very much appreciated
Apr 26 20:36:06 <keesj> http://maemo.mmapps.net/p4261605.jpg n800 running usb-host "while not connected" and with no soldering
Apr 26 20:36:47 <lcuk> omg keesj, the knots in the table look like evil eyes with a nokia mouth!!!!
Apr 26 20:37:20 <qwerty12_N800> microb is crapping out on me
Apr 26 20:37:32 <keesj> :p
Apr 26 20:37:48 <qwerty12_N800> im gonna wget :p
Apr 26 20:37:53 <Atarii> keesj whats the white thing?
Apr 26 20:38:21 <keesj> an "emegency" phone charger .
Apr 26 20:38:28 <lcuk> keesj, how many AAs does you charge on the run use
Apr 26 20:38:29 <keesj> it delivers the 5 volt
Apr 26 20:38:40 <Atarii> would thatstyle set up work for a 770 host mode?
Apr 26 20:38:44 <Atarii> that style*
Apr 26 20:38:53 <keesj> two , there is a charge pump in it
Apr 26 20:39:04 <lcuk> atarii - power injection part of it should with correct cabling
Apr 26 20:39:16 <lcuk> not sure about host mode enabling though
Apr 26 20:39:47 <keesj> I even was able to connect my cammera to it and it poped up the file manager
Apr 26 20:39:49 <lcuk> keesj, i love how your keyboard says "Keyboard" on the top
Apr 26 20:40:13 <keesj> I got it today
Apr 26 20:40:15 <Atarii> im looking to run an external wifi, but without a powered usb hub if possible
Apr 26 20:40:30 <Atarii> instead use a power thing like that maybe?
Apr 26 20:40:42 <lcuk> looks about the same size as mine, but yours has wires
Apr 26 20:41:12 <qwerty12_N800> I like the sound of the wifi that pupnik mentioned. I managed to build kernel modules for it.
Apr 26 20:41:16 <lcuk> you could check with a charge booster and see what it gets
Apr 26 20:42:05 <keesj> it was about 5 euro's in the local store.
Apr 26 20:42:23 <Atarii> i bought a crazy power thing from poundland, it has usb input, and uses 4 AA batterys
Apr 26 20:42:28 <Atarii> need to check what output it gives
Apr 26 20:42:41 <MangoFusion> how much did that set you back then?
Apr 26 20:42:56 <lcuk> the galaxy simulator has more flicker on laptop than stars on 810
Apr 26 20:43:01 <Atarii> :p
Apr 26 20:43:20 <lcuk> Atarii, uk pondland?
Apr 26 20:43:25 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 26 20:43:27 <lcuk> pound even
Apr 26 20:43:37 <qwerty12_N800> 99p stores for me
Apr 26 20:43:39 <Atarii> yea
Apr 26 20:43:49 <lcuk> hmm shall get missus to investigate this week
Apr 26 20:43:50 <qwerty12_N800> get all my chainz from dere
Apr 26 20:44:02 <Atarii> lol qwerty12_N800
Apr 26 20:44:21 <Atarii> ill take a pic of it and uploaz it
Apr 26 20:44:28 <lcuk> i got my chains from the market - the stall where i got my shell suit from also does some wicked *REALGOLDY* chains
Apr 26 20:48:55 <KotCzarny> realgouldy
Apr 26 20:48:59 <KotCzarny> *grin*
Apr 26 20:49:05 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 26 20:49:11 <lcuk> lol
Apr 26 20:49:17 <qwerty12_N800> mine is da real stuff
Apr 26 20:49:36 <qwerty12_N800> dimandique (serious spellling)
Apr 26 20:49:52 <KotCzarny> srs splng
Apr 26 20:50:34 <qwerty12_N800> oh yeah, kot, I know why xvkbd didn't work :), I had xinputextention enabled :)
Apr 26 20:50:45 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800,  i is glad yuu are heer to do the spelllings like a master
Apr 26 20:51:20 <RST38h> qwerty: deemaundeeque!
Apr 26 20:51:22 <qwerty12_N800> luck: y thks, u wil bow bfor me muhhhha
Apr 26 20:51:39 <KotCzarny> doodeedoodeedquee
Apr 26 20:52:34 <e[ekt]> nick enn8
Apr 26 20:52:49 <whooper> hey guys
Apr 26 20:53:08 <whooper> i have an issue
Apr 26 20:53:19 <KotCzarny> as everyone coming to that chan
Apr 26 20:54:10 <qwerty12_N800> Don't  wry, doctors can fix ur plumbing... :p
Apr 26 20:54:16 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 26 20:54:29 <RST38h> whooper: is it Tibet?
Apr 26 20:54:36 <whooper> i am trying to install mplayer (770, 2gb rs-mmc, OS2006)
Apr 26 20:54:38 <KotCzarny> you sure it's doctors?
Apr 26 20:55:03 <whooper> and when I do, it installs and then gives me: "unable to install mplayer"
Apr 26 20:55:38 <Atarii> lcuk just took 2 pics of the charger
Apr 26 20:55:49 <qwerty12_N800> check the app man log
Apr 26 20:55:49 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny: lol
Apr 26 20:55:53 <whooper> it shows up in installed apps, but its icon is red
Apr 26 20:56:07 <Atarii> http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26040821490001zt3.jpg and http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26040821510001cw9.jpg
Apr 26 20:56:44 <Atarii> bad quality image, but thats a usb input, and also comes with loads of other input attatchments including a nokia sized one
Apr 26 20:57:32 <lcuk> wicked, ill send her out hunting for boxes containing grainy out of focus chargers :D
Apr 26 20:57:38 <Atarii> lol
Apr 26 20:57:47 <Atarii> blame my "5mp" samsung
Apr 26 20:57:53 <lcuk> really thx, it will help her to get the right one
Apr 26 20:58:24 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 26 20:58:40 <Cptnodegard> memo to self: dont buy samsung cellphones. ever
Apr 26 20:58:50 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 26 20:58:59 <KotCzarny> most cellphones cameras are crap
Apr 26 20:59:02 <qwerty12_N800> I hate samsung >.<
Apr 26 20:59:11 <Cptnodegard> SE's with flash are decent
Apr 26 20:59:32 <Cptnodegard> i got a k550, decent pics but needs light
Apr 26 20:59:39 <qwerty12_N800> Cptnodegard: true. My modded cam driver sux  tho
Apr 26 21:00:00 <Cptnodegard> i might get a k850 when my subscription runs out
Apr 26 21:00:09 <Cptnodegard> since i use the camera a lot¨
Apr 26 21:00:27 <Cptnodegard> i also dont want to lose remote control or trackID :p
Apr 26 21:01:17 <qwerty12_N800> Hehe, I've never had an se with trackid :p. I have a dead Se p1 somewhere tho...
Apr 26 21:01:47 <Cptnodegard> its one of the thigns you think "wtf do i need that for" when you see it, but that you end up actually using
Apr 26 21:05:33 <whooper> it says that there are errors with libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg0
Apr 26 21:08:29 <whooper> apparently, bitches dont know about my dependency errors.
Apr 26 21:08:45 <KotCzarny> bitches?
Apr 26 21:08:55 <whooper> nevermind.
Apr 26 21:09:06 <whooper> anyways
Apr 26 21:09:13 <whooper> any idea what's wrong
Apr 26 21:09:24 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny: you were right, mc is nice with.aterm, thanks
Apr 26 21:09:42 <qwerty12_N800> whooper: pull up the application manager log
Apr 26 21:10:21 <whooper> i did
Apr 26 21:10:41 <qwerty12_N800> Anything more specific then?
Apr 26 21:10:44 <whooper> it said i had issues with: libmad0, libtheora0, and libogg0
Apr 26 21:11:19 <qwerty12_N800> do you have root access?
Apr 26 21:11:28 <whooper> if i need, i can get it
Apr 26 21:11:54 <whooper> do i need it?
Apr 26 21:11:56 <qwerty12_N800> as root, try apt-get install mplayer
Apr 26 21:12:02 <whooper> okay, brb
Apr 26 21:14:10 <whooper> i might be a little bit, i just re-flashed
Apr 26 21:34:01 <whooper> okay, got mplayer: testing now
Apr 26 21:34:17 <whooper> it works
Apr 26 21:34:38 <whooper> my original problem was with the canola youtube plugin
Apr 26 21:34:48 <whooper> it wouldnt show up
Apr 26 21:34:54 <whooper> now ill try that again
Apr 26 21:35:19 <whooper> thank you KotCzarny
Apr 26 21:35:35 <KotCzarny> lol?
Apr 26 21:35:43 <KotCzarny> it wasn't me
Apr 26 21:36:01 <whooper> oh, right... ..;
Apr 26 21:36:09 <whooper> thanks qwerty12
Apr 26 21:36:14 <whooper> right?
Apr 26 21:36:29 <KotCzarny> i don't know, i'm playing
Apr 26 21:36:30 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 21:36:48 <whooper> heh
Apr 26 21:37:07 <whooper> have you tried canola2 beta8's youtube plugin?
Apr 26 21:37:13 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 26 21:38:32 <whooper> from what ive heard, its good
Apr 26 21:38:41 <whooper> i havent been able to get it to work though
Apr 26 22:04:00 * pupnik is tired of computers
Apr 26 22:04:04 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 22:04:19 <KotCzarny> go get an adventure!
Apr 26 22:04:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 22:04:48 <KotCzarny> and don't forget to pack n8x0 + crank charger + encyclopedia
Apr 26 22:06:23 <lcuk> + spare stylus + linux laptop to dev from
Apr 26 22:06:43 <KotCzarny> i would bet on spare sd cards
Apr 26 22:06:49 <KotCzarny> less space
Apr 26 22:06:49 * lcuk recreates pupnik with a non-tiring shellscript
Apr 26 22:08:19 <lcuk> pupnik, how far did you get with the statusbar thing
Apr 26 22:08:38 <lcuk> or is that  your reason for being tired of comps
Apr 26 22:08:57 <pupnik> no an ex girlfriend is visiting me
Apr 26 22:09:04 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 26 22:09:20 <lcuk> thats a damned good reason to become tired of computers (unless shes a kernel hacker herself)
Apr 26 22:09:47 <KotCzarny> or .net developr
Apr 26 22:10:10 <pupnik> she's a geophysicist
Apr 26 22:10:42 <KotCzarny> not bad
Apr 26 22:10:52 <pupnik> we used to take walks.  we discussed architecture, communism.  we watched bugs and snails
Apr 26 22:11:19 <lcuk> :D so she likes gettin her rocks off     *ok illstop bein smutty now
Apr 26 22:11:43 <lcuk> might i ask though, is it normal to invite an ex back into your place (unless there is hope the ex part will be removed)
Apr 26 22:12:01 <KotCzarny> well, if she's a good talk, why not
Apr 26 22:12:26 <pupnik> she's married to someone else.  i love her.
Apr 26 22:12:46 <pupnik> so it will be very valuable time
Apr 26 22:12:49 <LinuxCode> shes married .. I lover her
Apr 26 22:12:53 <LinuxCode> thats just wrong
Apr 26 22:12:54 <KotCzarny> you can always become a lover
Apr 26 22:12:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 22:13:01 <LinuxCode> -r
Apr 26 22:13:05 <pupnik> not part of the plan KotCzarny
Apr 26 22:13:06 <lcuk> :) pupnik
Apr 26 22:13:10 <term-sig>  or u can clone her.
Apr 26 22:13:17 <KotCzarny> cloning takes time
Apr 26 22:13:18 <LinuxCode> clone
Apr 26 22:13:20 <LinuxCode> lol
Apr 26 22:13:22 <KotCzarny> he would be dead by the time
Apr 26 22:13:37 <term-sig> ok.. then something more kinky..
Apr 26 22:13:43 <term-sig> try realldolls.com ;P
Apr 26 22:13:48 <LinuxCode> haha
Apr 26 22:13:52 <term-sig> or something like thaht..
Apr 26 22:13:53 <term-sig> ;)
Apr 26 22:13:59 <LinuxCode> I dont know whats more amusing
Apr 26 22:14:10 <LinuxCode> term-sig, knowing that website
Apr 26 22:14:13 <flavioribeiro> hi, when i open xephyr and run af-sb-init.sh it seems that's everything ok.. but nothing appears at xephyr window. no tracebacks, no visible errors and no seg faults.. any tip?
Apr 26 22:14:14 <LinuxCode> or suggesting it
Apr 26 22:14:32 <term-sig> flavioribeiro: yes, buy realldoll ;)
Apr 26 22:14:33 <lcuk> pupnik tread carefully and she will be with you forever
Apr 26 22:15:12 <pupnik> lcuk: dude it's over.  i was 2 years too late.  i fucked up.  i fucked up big time
Apr 26 22:15:25 <KotCzarny> hehe, i know that feeling
Apr 26 22:15:36 <pupnik> flavioribeiro: not sure about your paramaters
Apr 26 22:15:37 <KotCzarny> lack of experience :>
Apr 26 22:16:09 <lcuk> you misunderstand my meaning, you have obviously kept her as a friend :)
Apr 26 22:16:25 <term-sig> btw anything nice for video chat on n810 excluding gizmo?
Apr 26 22:16:34 <LinuxCode> amsn
Apr 26 22:16:56 <LinuxCode> nly thing I know that works with the webcam
Apr 26 22:17:40 <term-sig> hm, LinuxCode any deb file link?
Apr 26 22:18:20 <LinuxCode> http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/~kakaroto/n810/
Apr 26 22:18:34 <term-sig> merci ;)
Apr 26 22:19:22 <Ziegler> I tried an ap out for the web cam a bit ago that was an actually webcam
Apr 26 22:19:25 <Ziegler> server and all
Apr 26 22:19:27 <Ziegler> "motion"
Apr 26 22:37:43 * lcuk puts 50p in the internet
Apr 26 22:38:46 * LinuxCode takes the 50 pence and increases bandwidth
Apr 26 22:39:19 <lcuk> everything has come to a crashing halt
Apr 26 22:39:29 <lcuk> at this rate im not gonna watch doctor who tonight
Apr 26 22:39:59 <KotCzarny> visit your neighbour's ap?
Apr 26 22:40:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 22:40:43 <elb> how far into the season is it over there?
Apr 26 22:40:44 <lcuk> i have the only wifi within range
Apr 26 22:40:44 <lcuk> and i turn mine down to 10ma
Apr 26 22:41:04 <lcuk> ep 4 was on tonight
Apr 26 22:41:18 <lcuk> but the kids were bein nosey and i cant be arsed viewing in flash
Apr 26 22:41:41 <elb> and you're .uk?
Apr 26 22:41:48 <lcuk> yer
Apr 26 22:42:03 <elb> wow, we're less than two weeks behind
Apr 26 22:42:12 <elb> wait ... less than *one* week
Apr 26 22:42:14 <lcuk> owhere are you?
Apr 26 22:42:22 <elb> USA
Apr 26 22:42:26 <lcuk> and is that on actual tv?
Apr 26 22:42:30 <elb> yeah
Apr 26 22:42:40 <elb> I just watched episode three this morning, recorded it last night
Apr 26 22:42:49 <lcuk> cos it finished here a couple of hours ago and the torrents well and truley established
Apr 26 22:42:50 <KotCzarny> isn't it a serial from 60/70s ?
Apr 26 22:42:58 <lcuk> thats when it started yer kot
Apr 26 22:43:09 <KotCzarny> it's still rolling?
Apr 26 22:43:10 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 26 22:43:13 <lcuk> then it stopped for a while in ?early 90s?
Apr 26 22:43:22 <elb> after a like 15 year hiatus
Apr 26 22:43:26 <lcuk> and came back - this is the 4th year since its return
Apr 26 22:43:43 <elb> the new seasons are pretty good, I think
Apr 26 22:43:44 <KotCzarny> longer than spanish spaghetti royale
Apr 26 22:44:05 <elb> it was the longest running scifi when it went off the air
Apr 26 22:44:06 <lcuk> different main characters throughout and new aliens to scare kids by
Apr 26 22:44:11 <elb> and I don't think anything trumped it in between
Apr 26 22:44:32 <elb> well, except for the people who count all five thousand different star treks as one scifi
Apr 26 22:44:48 <lcuk> no - they had major breaks between MAJOR ones
Apr 26 22:45:09 <lcuk> original series stopped and next gen was about 20 years later wasnt it (excluding movies
Apr 26 22:45:13 <elb> right, they weren't continuous
Apr 26 22:45:33 <elb> but doctor who isn't continuous any more, either :-)
Apr 26 22:45:56 <lcuk> no, not week in week out - but yearly series like most other shows
Apr 26 22:46:17 <elb> no, I mean, there was a 15 year hiatus on dr who now, too
Apr 26 22:46:30 <elb> I didn't mean to imply that star trek ran for as many *consecutive* years as doctor who
Apr 26 22:46:47 <elb> but some trekkies claim it's the longest running scifi because it has a sum total of like a thousand years ;-)
Apr 26 22:47:05 <elb> there for a while there were 3 or 4 running at the same time
Apr 26 22:47:05 <lcuk> yer - this new run by russell davies isnt counted in longest run
Apr 26 22:47:11 <elb> of course, dr who has that, now
Apr 26 22:47:21 <lcuk> doctor who has been to the end of the universe
Apr 26 22:47:25 <elb> with torchwood (which we don't get) and the sarah jane adventures (which we do)
Apr 26 22:47:32 <elb> (and I am not impressed)
Apr 26 22:48:10 <lcuk> elb, in the uk we have a series called casualty which has been running for years.  its spawned a midweek version about normal hospital and now another one about the police station
Apr 26 22:48:21 <lcuk> its all inbred and crossovers
Apr 26 22:48:30 <elb> yeah, we get that, too
Apr 26 22:48:40 <lcuk> i havent seen sarahjane, its for the kids though
Apr 26 22:48:41 <elb> I mean, not that series
Apr 26 22:48:44 <elb> but series doing that stuff
Apr 26 22:48:47 <lcuk> is this on bbc world?
Apr 26 22:49:02 <elb> doctor who and sarah jane are on the scifi channel here
Apr 26 22:49:07 <lcuk> csi vegas, miami ny
Apr 26 22:49:15 <elb> yeah, csi is a good example
Apr 26 22:49:33 <lcuk> thats a case of exporting a formula and if it works i dont see the problem
Apr 26 22:50:01 <elb> it'd be nice to see fresh content from time to time ;-)
Apr 26 22:50:04 <elb> but I generally agree
Apr 26 22:50:07 <lcuk> the doctor who/torchwood/jane stuff is targetted at different audiences
Apr 26 22:50:19 <elb> yeah
Apr 26 22:50:24 <lcuk> some of the torchwood eps have been good - might be an idea to see if you can find em
Apr 26 22:50:33 <elb> I'm hoping scifi picks them up
Apr 26 22:51:38 <lcuk> on scifi - did you catch sarah connor chronicles?
Apr 26 22:51:58 * jott does not really like the new companion (tate)
Apr 26 22:52:24 <jott> i hope they cut her off before the end of the season
Apr 26 22:52:37 <lcuk> i dont like her, but god my heart skipped a beat when rose appeared
Apr 26 22:52:59 <elb> yeah I'd love to see Rose come back
Apr 26 22:53:11 <lcuk> and when the volcano guy said "she is returning" or whatever it was
Apr 26 22:53:18 <elb> supposedly her return is just a copule-episode gimmick
Apr 26 22:54:02 <elb> she (Piper) said in an interview right after she quit that there was that "possibility"
Apr 26 22:54:10 <lcuk> what does it matter
Apr 26 22:54:12 <elb> and Davies said it was in the works all along
Apr 26 22:54:54 <elb> I liked Martha all right, too ... this new companion, we'll see
Apr 26 22:55:00 <lcuk> he always hoped he could coax her back
Apr 26 22:55:03 <KotCzarny> you guys shouldn't watch so much tv..
Apr 26 22:55:04 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 26 22:55:15 <lcuk> martha didnt do it for me - she was too intelligent on her own
Apr 26 22:55:15 <jott> KotCzarny: you should irc less ;)
Apr 26 22:55:21 <lcuk> this is just about 1 series
Apr 26 22:55:26 <KotCzarny> at least irc has some interactivity
Apr 26 22:55:26 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 22:55:29 <lcuk> cant you do both?
Apr 26 22:55:42 <KotCzarny> i do few things at a time
Apr 26 22:55:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 22:55:53 <lcuk> KotCzarny, if what me and elb are doing now isnt interacting then i dont know what is :P
Apr 26 22:56:05 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 26 22:56:07 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 26 22:57:12 <lcuk> KotCzarny, when someone bobs in the room and talks about ff9 or something do you ignore them :P
Apr 26 22:57:40 <KotCzarny> probably i will say that's a nice game
Apr 26 22:57:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 26 22:58:12 <lcuk> lol
Apr 26 22:59:19 <lcuk> 6.5 hours to go :(  hopefully after midnight the throttle will be released
Apr 26 23:33:32 <ryoohki> when does the wimax n810 come out?  has a date even been set?
Apr 26 23:40:11 <Proteous_> you can get wimax service?
Apr 26 23:43:51 <ralann> hah, that is my question too
Apr 26 23:48:53 <KotCzarny> wimax is 4g ?
Apr 26 23:52:02 <LinuxCode> no
Apr 26 23:52:59 <Proteous_> wimax is something else
Apr 26 23:53:08 <Proteous_> it won't be a cell phone thing
Apr 26 23:53:18 <Proteous_> more of wireless internet access
Apr 26 23:53:21 <ralann> i just ordered the n810, i figure by the time wimax is available where i live i will want a new one
Apr 26 23:53:30 <Proteous_> a wireless solution to the last mile problem
Apr 26 23:54:20 <ralann> ill probably get a cradlepoint and a evdo card for when on the road
Apr 26 23:54:29 <Proteous_> well, as much of a solution as a wireless tech can provide giving the limited frequency bandwidth available with todays FCC setup
Apr 26 23:55:10 <Proteous_> what all these wirless companies, cell or otherwise don't tell you is you can really only server a very limited amount of people at a time
Apr 26 23:55:14 <Proteous_> at a reasonable speed
Apr 26 23:55:20 <Proteous_> there just isn't enough bandwidth
Apr 26 23:55:29 <Proteous_> which isn't a problem with a wired solution
Apr 26 23:55:35 <Proteous_> well, not the same problem
Apr 26 23:55:38 <ralann> as long as we don't all click at the same time were cool
Apr 26 23:55:43 <Proteous_> hah, yeah
Apr 26 23:55:44 <KotCzarny> yup, but it will be nice and dandy at the beginning
Apr 26 23:55:53 <KotCzarny> since not maney people will use it
Apr 26 23:56:07 <KotCzarny> *many
Apr 26 23:57:01 <Proteous_> I say we just get rid of all the frequency allocations and move everything to UWB
Apr 26 23:57:08 <Proteous_> all services will use it
Apr 26 23:57:19 <Proteous_> everyone gets loads of bandwidth
Apr 26 23:57:22 <KotCzarny> i see noizzz
Apr 26 23:57:22 <doc|work> just trail a really long cable, it's easier
Apr 26 23:57:44 <Proteous_> noizz is only a problem if you are trying to run UWB and other things at the same time
Apr 26 23:57:50 <Proteous_> if everying is UWB it's not a problem
Apr 26 23:58:05 <Proteous_> and you get to use the bandwidth of the whole spectrum
Apr 26 23:58:09 <Proteous_> which is pretty massive
Apr 26 23:58:28 <Proteous_> by whole spectrum I mean the whole usable spectrum
Apr 26 23:58:32 <doc|work> not as massive as my really long cable
Apr 26 23:58:41 <Proteous_> heh
Apr 26 23:58:42 <Proteous_> true
Apr 26 23:59:16 <lcuk> your really long cable is useful on the train
Apr 26 23:59:39 <doc|work> I think you underestimate what I mean by *really* long
Apr 26 23:59:48 <Proteous_> lol
Apr 26 23:59:50 <KotCzarny> erath--moon?
Apr 26 23:59:52 <KotCzarny> earth
Apr 27 00:00:08 <lcuk> hey - doc|work has invented a working tether
Apr 27 00:00:10 <KotCzarny> latency would kill you
Apr 27 00:00:13 <doc|work> sure, for those trips around the world
Apr 27 00:00:15 <KotCzarny> and capacitance
Apr 27 00:00:18 <lcuk> he has robots climbing it daily
Apr 27 00:00:19 <KotCzarny> and inductance
Apr 27 00:00:22 <doc|work> KotCzarny: no, fibre
Apr 27 00:00:23 <Proteous_> fiber, not capacitance worries
Apr 27 00:00:27 <Proteous_> no
Apr 27 00:00:36 <KotCzarny> fibre is.. delicate
Apr 27 00:00:36 <doc|work> it's spelt fibre damn you
Apr 27 00:00:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:00:38 <doc|work> :)
Apr 27 00:00:53 <doc|work> KotCzarny: not as delicate as wireless in canada :)
Apr 27 00:00:59 <KotCzarny> fibre
Apr 27 00:01:02 <KotCzarny>   n.
Apr 27 00:01:02 <KotCzarny>   Br. i Austr. = fiber.
Apr 27 00:01:08 <KotCzarny> only in us english
Apr 27 00:01:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:01:41 <doc|work> right back later, have a tangle :(
Apr 27 00:01:54 <KotCzarny> his cable got tangled?
Apr 27 00:01:55 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 27 00:04:37 <Grackle> Where can I get esddsp for the IT? I have seen it mentioned in some places before
Apr 27 00:07:26 <KotCzarny> compile it yourself
Apr 27 00:07:51 <KotCzarny> or if you fail go to pupnik's site
Apr 27 00:07:58 <KotCzarny> i have helped him with it
Apr 27 00:08:43 <Grackle> Where is his site?
Apr 27 00:08:52 <KotCzarny> pupnik.de
Apr 27 00:09:25 <Grackle> Cool, thanks.
Apr 27 00:09:37 <KotCzarny> or i can check if i had it on my file server too
Apr 27 00:09:50 <KotCzarny> (i'm too lazy to boot my nokia to dl it from there)
Apr 27 00:10:12 <Grackle> I did try compiling it, but it didn't seem to work.
Apr 27 00:10:21 <KotCzarny> btw. esddsp is a script
Apr 27 00:10:45 <KotCzarny> mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/uae/
Apr 27 00:10:46 <pupnik_> what what what
Apr 27 00:10:52 <KotCzarny> grab esddsp and lib.tar.gz
Apr 27 00:10:58 <pupnik_> yes grab that
Apr 27 00:11:20 <Grackle> Oh, huh, no kidding. I never knew it was a script.
Apr 27 00:11:36 <KotCzarny> i think it's a ld preload trick
Apr 27 00:11:41 <KotCzarny> similiar to adsp one
Apr 27 00:11:46 <pupnik_> i never got it working.  KotCzarny did, and maybe solmumaha
Apr 27 00:12:54 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 27 00:12:58 <pupnik_> i'm so happy you came along KotCzarny
Apr 27 00:12:58 <KotCzarny> ld_preload
Apr 27 00:13:02 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 27 00:14:11 <lcuk> i second that pup
Apr 27 00:14:18 <Grackle> -sh: tqr: not found
Apr 27 00:14:28 <Grackle> Damn you, virtual keyboard.
Apr 27 00:14:41 <KotCzarny> don't forget to backup your original libs
Apr 27 00:14:57 <pupnik_> same goes to you lcuk
Apr 27 00:15:01 <KotCzarny> i don't remember the flags it was compiled with
Apr 27 00:15:11 <lcuk> OMG ITS A LOVE IN! :d
Apr 27 00:15:11 <pupnik_> so few people interested in the performance stuff
Apr 27 00:15:20 <KotCzarny> more like a posse..
Apr 27 00:15:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:15:23 <pupnik_> well yeah, but on technical basis
Apr 27 00:15:51 <pupnik_> no we're like delta force, or an insurgent group against ignorance and chaos
Apr 27 00:16:09 <lcuk> i misread that as insurance group
Apr 27 00:16:18 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 27 00:16:25 <lcuk> pmsl
Apr 27 00:16:51 <pupnik_> the real pathfinders like fanoush or ssvb are mostly lost in the woods
Apr 27 00:17:03 <pupnik_> they just evaporated
Apr 27 00:17:15 <pupnik_> but at least we can see the direction they went
Apr 27 00:17:19 <lcuk> no, as we discovered the other day - they are around
Apr 27 00:17:19 * Grackle will be much happier when his bluetooth keyboard arrives
Apr 27 00:17:25 <KotCzarny> i see ssvb sometimes
Apr 27 00:17:32 <KotCzarny> grackle: use ssh
Apr 27 00:17:40 <pupnik_> yeah you see mirages
Apr 27 00:17:45 <lcuk> and more than happy to help guide us along
Apr 27 00:17:47 <KotCzarny> and fanoush wasn't an irc liker
Apr 27 00:17:49 <pupnik_> ask them to look at something
Apr 27 00:17:58 <pupnik_> ask them something specifig
Apr 27 00:18:03 <pupnik_> and it's like smoke
Apr 27 00:18:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:18:09 <KotCzarny> not true
Apr 27 00:18:14 <Grackle> good call KotCzarny, I could do that right now, seeing how I'm at the desktop and all.
Apr 27 00:18:20 <lcuk> i simply see it as not asking the right question
Apr 27 00:18:27 <KotCzarny> i think i was talking with ssvb at the .27 release
Apr 27 00:18:30 <pupnik_> ok
Apr 27 00:18:38 <lcuk> you have to tease and tempt people to give them a chance to shine :)
Apr 27 00:18:45 <KotCzarny> and i have maile fanoush too
Apr 27 00:18:57 <KotCzarny> so rotate patch should be in his kernel/patches list
Apr 27 00:19:08 <KotCzarny> wait.
Apr 27 00:19:16 <KotCzarny> it was op_{1|0} patch
Apr 27 00:19:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:19:57 <KotCzarny> ssvb promised to look at gst more closely if 400/133 mode would became more popular
Apr 27 00:20:21 <KotCzarny> (over 330/220, that is)
Apr 27 00:22:47 <KotCzarny> pupnik: pcxs is open source or you have grabbed binary from somewhere?
Apr 27 00:22:52 <KotCzarny> pcsx
Apr 27 00:23:49 <KotCzarny> nice. source code is available
Apr 27 00:23:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:24:03 <Grackle> Man, I really like the scratchbox environment, now that I've figured it out.
Apr 27 00:24:09 <Grackle> Porting stuff is surprisingly easy.
Apr 27 00:24:10 <pupnik_> KotCzarny: if you want to work on it, talk to zodttd
Apr 27 00:24:32 <KotCzarny> popnik: i'm more curious about availability atm
Apr 27 00:25:25 <lcuk> how could we change the maemo system so *default* programs will run?
Apr 27 00:25:41 <KotCzarny> huh?
Apr 27 00:25:44 <lcuk> ie just a quick recompile and then they are automatically basically hildonized
Apr 27 00:25:47 <KotCzarny> erm. *pupnik
Apr 27 00:25:52 <wasabi> You can't.
Apr 27 00:25:59 <wasabi> Being hildonized means they take UI considerations into account.
Apr 27 00:26:08 <KotCzarny> lcuk: if it's gtk2 i think it's simple
Apr 27 00:26:12 <Grackle> yay! sound!
Apr 27 00:26:15 <KotCzarny> one or two lines
Apr 27 00:26:26 <lcuk> yes but most programs respond to ui queues anyway - minimizing shutting down etc
Apr 27 00:26:28 <wasabi> That said, plain old gtk+ programs WILL run
Apr 27 00:26:35 <wasabi> Gimp runs. Xchat runs.
Apr 27 00:26:45 <wasabi> They're UI is just not hildonish.
Apr 27 00:26:46 <KotCzarny> yeah, it's not the problem with running
Apr 27 00:26:56 <lcuk> i know they run, but it would be easy to automatically allow minimise and task listing ?
Apr 27 00:26:58 <KotCzarny> more like registering windows/icons in matchbox/hildon
Apr 27 00:27:08 <KotCzarny> lcuk: have you seen kciconsbox ?
Apr 27 00:27:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 00:27:11 <wasabi> minimize should work. task listing should work too.
Apr 27 00:27:24 <wasabi> if not then matchbox and the task thing should be fixed.
Apr 27 00:27:36 <KotCzarny> it will work for ANY window
Apr 27 00:27:41 <KotCzarny> hildonized or not
Apr 27 00:28:04 * lcuk realises he must be missing an attribute or two on his window
Apr 27 00:28:06 <KotCzarny> once i'm back from ff loop i'll code it more nicely
Apr 27 00:28:45 <lcuk> KotCzarny, yes, you've told me about that - i'd forgotten
Apr 27 00:29:15 <KotCzarny> lcuk: there's a hildonized version of xmms somewhere, at least slit part
Apr 27 00:29:26 <KotCzarny> you can peek/steal code from there
Apr 27 00:30:39 <lcuk> ill just hildonize myself properly next time it crossed my mind
Apr 27 00:30:45 <lcuk> as you say, theres just a couple of lines
Apr 27 00:31:12 <KotCzarny> for xaw3d based app it was very easy
Apr 27 00:31:29 <KotCzarny> similiar to gtk+
Apr 27 00:35:03 <lcuk> gnite folks
Apr 27 00:35:07 <KotCzarny> nite nite
Apr 27 00:52:38 <adam_> hi
Apr 27 00:53:34 <adam_> does anyone have a link to a tutorial about upgrading to 2008 os
Apr 27 00:54:52 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 27 00:54:55 <KotCzarny> impatient one
Apr 27 00:55:27 <johnx> adam_, is your desktop machine running linux, osx or windows?
Apr 27 00:55:33 <adam_> linux
Apr 27 00:55:58 <johnx> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
Apr 27 00:56:07 <adam_> thanks!!
Apr 27 00:58:06 <johnx> sure. Upgrading is "flashing" here, so if you search for "flash n800 linux" that was the first result from google
Apr 27 00:58:20 <KotCzarny> pupnik: do you like turn based rpgs ?
Apr 27 01:03:30 <pupnik_> sure
Apr 27 01:03:36 <KotCzarny> http://www.basiliskgames.com/book1.htm
Apr 27 01:03:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 01:04:06 <pupnik_> yes many indy games
Apr 27 01:04:23 <pupnik_> is that one good?
Apr 27 01:04:29 <KotCzarny> looks good
Apr 27 01:05:13 <KotCzarny> has crazy requirements for turn based game though
Apr 27 01:05:24 <KotCzarny> 1.8ghz / 512mb / 3d accel
Apr 27 01:05:31 <pupnik_> your amiga port is still waiting for release
Apr 27 01:05:42 <pupnik_> it's way better than standard uae
Apr 27 01:06:29 <KotCzarny> you can release it any moment you like, i don't claim any rights on it :)
Apr 27 01:07:22 <pupnik_> ok.  linuxtag ok?
Apr 27 01:07:46 <pupnik_> maybe it makes my little talk interesting,
Apr 27 01:07:54 <KotCzarny> no problem
Apr 27 01:07:55 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 01:08:03 * KotCzarny checks if there is a new version
Apr 27 01:09:38 <pupnik_> do you feel like working on snes?
Apr 27 01:09:43 <pupnik_> i have it loading a rom
Apr 27 01:09:56 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 27 01:10:07 <pupnik_> just aksing
Apr 27 01:10:08 <KotCzarny> tbh i have never had/used anything other than ami
Apr 27 01:10:35 <KotCzarny> well, maybe epsxe
Apr 27 01:10:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 27 01:10:55 <pupnik_> no zodttd has the god emu for psx
Apr 27 01:10:58 <KotCzarny> https://gna.org/projects/gpu940/
Apr 27 01:11:19 <KotCzarny> gah, they got 3d renderer for their second core
Apr 27 01:56:33 <KotCzarny> iphone is going to have a version with gps :)
Apr 27 01:58:19 <LinuxCode> still doesnt make the platform open
Apr 27 01:58:46 <LinuxCode> pretty much the main reason i got a n810
Apr 27 01:58:51 <KotCzarny> just a note that all the devices tend to get same/similiar features
Apr 27 01:58:54 <KotCzarny> yah
Apr 27 01:59:07 <KotCzarny> i would take n8x0 everyday over iphone because of that
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