**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 27 02:59:57 2008 Apr 27 03:15:25 Is Nokia going to ship N800 with WiMax or is it just for N810? Apr 27 03:16:01 Just for the n810. Apr 27 03:16:20 And it's highly unlikely there'll be a retrofit, I'd say. Apr 27 03:16:32 some cheapo phone maybe Apr 27 03:16:37 with bt link Apr 27 03:17:42 Yeah, that, probaly. Apr 27 03:17:44 +b Apr 27 03:18:06 Ideal would be just a small sim token boasting WiMaX and UMTS. Apr 27 03:18:12 as an added bonus one can get gsm/cdma ;) Apr 27 03:18:27 And RAP so you can borg it from the N810. Apr 27 03:18:39 Or whatever that bluetooth profile was called. Apr 27 03:18:58 I C Apr 27 03:19:22 ls: cannot access My downloads: Input/output error Apr 27 03:19:24 mhm. Apr 27 03:19:27 Not good[tm] Apr 27 03:19:36 vfat? Apr 27 03:19:37 :> Apr 27 03:20:44 i bet you'll be able to buy a bluetooth gadget that connects with wi-max Apr 27 03:21:39 KotCzarny: Yeah, mmc2 Apr 27 03:22:11 towo: n810? Apr 27 03:22:14 KotCzarny: Should I even bother running fsck or just throw a mkfs -f vfat at it? Apr 27 03:22:16 KotCzarny: aye Apr 27 03:22:26 have you fixed partition bug? Apr 27 03:22:50 KotCzarny: If I have to take special steps for that, no. Apr 27 03:22:58 sfdisk -l Apr 27 03:23:14 sec Apr 27 03:23:17 size of partition is bigger than device Apr 27 03:23:29 anyone else get scratchbox wanting to remove packages when you try to install libdb4.2-dev? Apr 27 03:23:32 until you fix that there's no point of reformatting Apr 27 03:23:56 also dropping vfat and using ext2/3 is the way to go Apr 27 03:24:08 That one extra block I see here? Apr 27 03:24:15 because someone reported vfat instability with mmcblock device Apr 27 03:24:19 62719 cyls, 62720 blocks? Apr 27 03:24:20 It seems that it wants to REMOVE these ... libcst-dev libdb1-dev maemo-core-dev maemo-sdk-dev Apr 27 03:24:57 towo: can you pastebin.com sfdisk -l output? Apr 27 03:25:40 KotCzarny: /dev/mmcblk0p1 (nil) 0+ 62719 62720- 2007032 b W95 FAT32 Apr 27 03:26:02 and what's the device size? Apr 27 03:26:04 two (nils), actually Apr 27 03:26:14 61440 cyls Apr 27 03:26:19 Whats the best way to transfer files between a linux PC and an n800? bluetooth file transfers have been difficult for me to setup, and I don't know how to configuire the file manager to access samba or nfs shares? Apr 27 03:26:21 … okay, I see the problem. Apr 27 03:26:22 so it's not one block Apr 27 03:26:26 no? Apr 27 03:26:27 ;) Apr 27 03:26:35 Didn't scroll up, stupid me. Apr 27 03:26:41 I'm used to plane fdisk or cfdisk... Apr 27 03:26:46 yup Apr 27 03:26:49 (Yes, I actually like cfdisk.) Apr 27 03:26:56 you can do it over usb too Apr 27 03:27:12 Jeez, why didn't I even think of that, lol =) Apr 27 03:27:20 It gives you block-level access? Apr 27 03:27:29 that's better. Apr 27 03:27:30 towo: it acts as a usb card reader Apr 27 03:27:35 *an Apr 27 03:27:47 … that's too logical, didn't think of that. Apr 27 03:27:54 :) Apr 27 03:27:56 (Might be because the birds are starting to tweet here..) Apr 27 03:28:07 I'm used to having to do things the hard way Apr 27 03:28:23 * towo does the backup jig Apr 27 03:29:21 hmmm.. the only directory it shows is My Downloads. Apr 27 03:29:35 KotCzarny: Thanks for the hints. :) Apr 27 03:29:43 I need to dig down into the file system Apr 27 03:30:10 towo: np, pass the word Apr 27 03:30:20 Oh, right, I still had the navicore data on the internal card... Apr 27 03:30:23 basically I wanna copy my OpenTTD data files onto this device so I can get some transport tycoon going. (my 6th grade self is ecstatic) Apr 27 03:30:37 KotCzarny: That would explain why it didn't let me extend my virtual memory onto it. Apr 27 03:30:56 woodwizzle: sshfs Apr 27 03:31:08 (Still on my todo list, that bug, but I guess that settled it, now.) Apr 27 03:31:26 KotCzarny: ok, i'll give that a go. I've only ever done plain ssh before. Apr 27 03:31:47 woodwizzle: it's the best way to have access to internal 256mb partition Apr 27 03:31:53 Mhm, ScummVM must be very forgiving towards corrupt files. Apr 27 03:32:20 towo: or you just haven't reached that point in the game Apr 27 03:32:21 :) Apr 27 03:32:34 KotCzarny: What happens when I run outta space on the internal 256? Apr 27 03:32:52 usually something could start crashing Apr 27 03:33:19 to the point of reflashing requirement Apr 27 03:33:34 Is there away to put the operating system on the internal SD card and use the internal 256 as virtual mem? Apr 27 03:33:37 yes Apr 27 03:33:46 is that safe to do? Apr 27 03:33:58 but i would advise agains using internal 256 for anything Apr 27 03:33:58 or should I be worried about write cycles etc.? Apr 27 03:34:09 especially write cycles wise Apr 27 03:34:19 figgures Apr 27 03:34:20 sd cards are cheap Apr 27 03:34:38 but resoldering internal nand flash is.. well Apr 27 03:34:47 not for anyone Apr 27 03:34:48 :) Apr 27 03:35:14 maybe 1 person in a 1.000.000 could do that Apr 27 03:35:22 maybe less Apr 27 03:35:35 ahh ... your flash chip must be special, then Apr 27 03:35:47 very Apr 27 03:35:47 :> Apr 27 03:35:50 because far more than 1 in a million people can mount a simple surface mount chip ;-) Apr 27 03:36:07 (in fact, I know several people who do this as part of their daily jobs) Apr 27 03:36:07 can you? Apr 27 03:36:08 ;) Apr 27 03:36:27 probably, if push came to shove Apr 27 03:36:32 it all depends on the society yyou live in Apr 27 03:36:39 and work you do Apr 27 03:36:47 i know no one that could do such trick Apr 27 03:36:59 I completely agree with you w.r.t. not burning out the chip, but claiming that only 1:1m people can perform a simple, if delicate, soldering job is unlikely ;-) Apr 27 03:37:14 :) Apr 27 03:37:34 are there any strange issues or problems with installing the os to the internal SDHC card? Apr 27 03:37:54 people do it Apr 27 03:37:54 woodwizzle: i have cloned my os to sd and it boots just fine Apr 27 03:38:19 basically, setup your perfect os on internal 256mb partition Apr 27 03:38:20 Is it done with that flash utililty? Apr 27 03:38:29 oh Apr 27 03:38:41 then make a partition on sd card with ext2/3 Apr 27 03:38:51 then just use cloning script Apr 27 03:39:07 then configure/install fanoush initfs to boot to sd card Apr 27 03:39:10 done. Apr 27 03:39:10 :) Apr 27 03:39:25 its gonna be a while before I know how to setup my perfect OS for sure =) Apr 27 03:39:31 well Apr 27 03:39:36 my point in that is.. Apr 27 03:39:56 once you breake your os on sd card you won't have to reinstall/reconfigure from 0 Apr 27 03:40:01 but from a nice point Apr 27 03:40:09 where most of the apps are there :) Apr 27 03:40:14 oh I getcha Apr 27 03:41:15 and no, it's not supported by nokia.. yet ;) Apr 27 03:41:34 *g* Apr 27 03:43:10 Oh noes, cfdisk dies kicking and screaming. Apr 27 03:43:14 * towo nukes partition table. Apr 27 03:43:16 ;) Apr 27 03:43:26 poor partition table.. Apr 27 03:43:33 btw. my other theory was Apr 27 03:43:45 that some part of the device was hidden Apr 27 03:43:52 ie. partition size is correct Apr 27 03:44:10 but device hides it's real size and stores some data in the inaccessible portion Apr 27 03:44:19 mhm Apr 27 03:44:34 first 512 bytes should do it, shouldn't it? *scratches head* Apr 27 03:44:44 Since I still seem to have a partition table... Apr 27 03:44:48 my bet is on the last few blocks Apr 27 03:44:57 No, for the table. Apr 27 03:45:05 what's the cyl size in bytes? Apr 27 03:45:26 mhm, 32768 Apr 27 03:45:40 4 megs Apr 27 03:45:44 quite a chunk Apr 27 03:45:45 :) Apr 27 03:45:50 Hell, I just zeroed the lot of it Apr 27 03:45:55 Still got a table Oo Apr 27 03:46:09 oh bugger Apr 27 03:46:11 I'm stupid. Apr 27 03:46:15 ;) Apr 27 03:46:22 [5:45] towo@odin:~ [0]% sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc2 Apr 27 03:46:23 get some sleep Apr 27 03:46:25 find the mistake. Apr 27 03:46:28 before you break something Apr 27 03:46:31 i know Apr 27 03:46:39 partition != device Apr 27 03:46:44 There we go. Apr 27 03:46:51 No, mmc2 only exists on the nokia Apr 27 03:46:58 I should've zeroed /dev/sdg ;) Apr 27 03:47:17 i use mmcblock0 Apr 27 03:47:18 ;) Apr 27 03:47:56 hmm Apr 27 03:48:03 correction, it 41mb Apr 27 03:48:05 O.o Apr 27 03:48:17 well, 40 Apr 27 03:48:21 *it's Apr 27 03:48:34 32 kB, more like Apr 27 03:48:47 echo $[(62720-61440)*32768] Apr 27 03:48:55 Oh Apr 27 03:48:58 The differenec. Apr 27 03:50:15 so today i connected a serial terminal over bluetooth.it took me a while. i connected to a simulator of a bluetooth bicycle sensor. it worked fine. someone other than me should make a project of it Apr 27 03:50:29 :) Apr 27 03:50:30 any takers Apr 27 03:51:36 what does a bluetooth bike sensor do? Apr 27 03:51:50 probably gets beeped Apr 27 03:52:03 unless it's more intelligent Apr 27 03:52:03 :) Apr 27 03:52:05 speed distance acceleration Apr 27 03:52:56 very accurate Apr 27 03:53:20 can be used for creating getto gps Apr 27 03:53:21 :> Apr 27 03:55:17 yeah, why not just use gps and calc all that other info from that? Apr 27 03:55:35 because gps is inaccurate Apr 27 03:55:40 :) Apr 27 03:56:14 how about expensive GPS Apr 27 03:56:26 still ~1-2m of accuracy Apr 27 03:56:48 bah, thats good enough. Builds Character Apr 27 03:58:02 ya its good enough for my girlfriend but i want better Apr 27 04:02:50 KotCzarny: http://ydal.de/nokia-n810-the-partition-bug/lang/en Apr 27 04:03:26 Is mmc1 the internal one? Apr 27 04:03:41 no Apr 27 04:04:02 towo: where are the credits? Apr 27 04:04:02 mmc1 is the slot card Apr 27 04:04:02 :> Apr 27 04:04:09 thats odd Apr 27 04:04:09 KotCzarny: Oh, bugger, of course. Apr 27 04:04:37 wonder why openttd wants the data on the removable card Apr 27 04:04:39 and you don't have to power cycle the device Apr 27 04:05:05 KotCzarny: Before I start explaining how to remount etc... Apr 27 04:05:06 if partition isn't reread after usb session, sfdisk has an option for it Apr 27 04:05:17 it's remounted automatically Apr 27 04:05:22 once you disconnect usb cable Apr 27 04:05:23 :) Apr 27 04:05:28 Ah, well. Apr 27 04:05:30 Can't hurt. Apr 27 04:05:37 Maybe for people with swap files on it. ;) Apr 27 04:05:52 i think it's umounet Apr 27 04:05:54 umounted Apr 27 04:05:58 And there's your kudos. Apr 27 04:05:59 when you connect usb cable Apr 27 04:06:16 now, that's better Apr 27 04:06:17 thx Apr 27 04:06:17 :> Apr 27 04:06:44 also, you should check ext2/3 Apr 27 04:07:05 because as i said some people noticed improvements when they ditched vfat Apr 27 04:07:06 :) Apr 27 04:09:19 hmm Apr 27 04:09:22 also. Apr 27 04:09:27 you create fs on the device Apr 27 04:09:32 without partitioning it Apr 27 04:09:35 why not just reiserfs it =) Apr 27 04:09:52 i think mmc-mount scripts won't automount it Apr 27 04:10:04 i just playing anyhow Apr 27 04:10:04 (they are hardcoded for the first partition on the card) Apr 27 04:10:11 would be cool though Apr 27 04:10:30 woodwizzle: ext2/3 module is readily available Apr 27 04:10:40 for reiser you would have to modify initfs/kernel Apr 27 04:12:24 KotCzarny: I partitioned it. Apr 27 04:12:36 I might've dropped the 1 in the entry. Apr 27 04:12:39 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX ? Apr 27 04:12:40 ;) Apr 27 04:12:54 it's more like removing any trace of partition Apr 27 04:13:35 yup, that would be wise Apr 27 04:13:36 ;) Apr 27 04:14:05 Well, it's not really necessary. Apr 27 04:14:05 still wrong Apr 27 04:14:19 well Apr 27 04:14:22 maybe not that wrong Apr 27 04:14:38 it's necessary for n00bs Apr 27 04:14:54 because they will use the same node as in dd Apr 27 04:15:06 effectively removing partition with mkfs Apr 27 04:16:07 [x] Apr 27 04:16:22 'cept for the typo. Apr 27 04:16:38 which one? Apr 27 04:16:39 :) Apr 27 04:17:03 the specifu one. Apr 27 04:17:19 But now.... bed. I'm barely awake anymore. Apr 27 04:17:22 :) Apr 27 04:17:28 Thanks for the help. Apr 27 04:17:34 vfat will haunt you Apr 27 04:17:36 anyway Apr 27 04:17:44 partition size is one bug Apr 27 04:17:54 vfat--mmc driver quirks is another Apr 27 04:19:35 I can still bite my arse when it's time. :) Apr 27 04:19:44 :) Apr 27 04:19:48 sooner or later Apr 27 04:20:04 night, folks. Apr 27 04:20:09 go go Apr 27 04:20:10 :) Apr 27 04:57:53 d00dz, wtf? Y dun we stil lhave antivirus prgms? Apr 27 04:58:19 no, what for, you can r-e-f-l-a-s-h Apr 27 04:58:32 it's faster than running av scanner Apr 27 05:00:18 wtf how iz "Rustproof Expressiveness Fibrous Loveseat Astrologically Statistics Homey" gunna b fastr then avs? Apr 27 05:00:36 i ned teh antiviruz prgms or my n800 gunna be broken Apr 27 05:00:44 it has fibr it is fast Apr 27 05:03:05 Whats the benefit of having a 2.6 kernel over a 2.4 kernel on the n800? Apr 27 05:03:12 o.o Apr 27 05:04:02 I'm wondering if I could compile a 2.4 kernel and choose it at boot up with a bootloader Apr 27 05:04:06 woodwizzle: why would you have a 2.4 kernel on it? Apr 27 05:04:31 aparently there is a linux driver for the 3d chip, but it is only a 2.4 driver Apr 27 05:04:34 given that 2.6 is the default (I'd expect) the question you should ask is why would you want a 2.4? :) Apr 27 05:04:50 how much 3d are you really expecting to do on an n800 :) Apr 27 05:05:19 not a whole lot. But it would be great fun to play open arena, or assault cube Apr 27 05:05:28 :/ Apr 27 05:05:40 I plan on doing a lot of gaming on this little machine =) Apr 27 05:05:46 well Apr 27 05:05:51 i would be cautious Apr 27 05:05:53 with hopes Apr 27 05:05:56 :) Apr 27 05:06:15 it's a great device, but you have to set your hopes right Apr 27 05:06:15 Its been a long time since I compiled a kernel. Back in my gentoo days ;) Apr 27 05:06:16 :) Apr 27 05:07:15 Oh I know, If I wanted a portable gaming system only I woulda got a PSP or something. But I do love to game and its got that chip just sitting there :( Apr 27 05:07:37 we all know Apr 27 05:07:38 :) Apr 27 05:07:45 and we all grit over it Apr 27 05:07:46 :) Apr 27 05:08:02 right, so I'm just sugesting a possible solution. Apr 27 05:08:21 the only way is for nokia to provide driver/libs Apr 27 05:08:27 *to Apr 27 05:08:30 lilo + 2.4 kernel + binary driver Apr 27 05:08:44 forget lilo Apr 27 05:08:56 unless you want to brick the device Apr 27 05:09:02 lol Apr 27 05:09:05 flasher won't help you if you overwrite nolo Apr 27 05:09:11 i certainly don't Apr 27 05:09:31 is nolo the boot loader? I bet it doesn't support multiple kernels :( Apr 27 05:09:36 yup Apr 27 06:09:19 ? Apr 27 06:09:38 Johnx has debian booting? Apr 27 06:34:24 so...has anyone messed with motion on os2008? Apr 27 06:42:40 os2008 is going to get some motion when I throw my n800 across the room ;) Apr 27 06:56:10 cLin: someone has used a nice sensor Apr 27 06:56:30 as a joystick equivalent Apr 27 07:01:24 nice sensor? Apr 27 07:01:38 i just want it to act as a motion webcam Apr 27 07:01:59 well Apr 27 07:02:02 it's so noisy Apr 27 07:02:17 that you would have much problems with it Apr 27 07:02:46 maybe some oversampling could help though Apr 27 07:02:53 but it has a price of cpu usage Apr 27 07:03:20 =\ Apr 27 07:03:22 naaah Apr 27 07:03:39 to be used as a motion sensor, it doesn't have to be accurate Apr 27 07:03:50 just average the frames Apr 27 07:03:52 should be, just a little bit Apr 27 07:03:57 well, a bit Apr 27 07:04:00 yeah, that's what i meant by oversampling Apr 27 07:04:13 no, oversampling is *not* averaging Apr 27 07:04:20 please don't confuse these two :-) Apr 27 07:04:25 well, if you treat 1sec as a base Apr 27 07:04:26 ;) Apr 27 07:04:35 alternatively, you could just use low grade gaussian blur Apr 27 07:04:38 then taking 10 pics in 1 sec is oversampling Apr 27 07:04:43 ... Apr 27 07:05:48 just blur the output of the camera and there you get your denoising Apr 27 07:05:54 then run some edge detector Apr 27 07:05:55 hehe Apr 27 07:05:58 dreamer Apr 27 07:06:08 have you seen the output of that webcam? Apr 27 07:06:12 yes, I did Apr 27 07:06:17 it's really not that bad Apr 27 07:06:35 (talking about N810 ofc) Apr 27 07:06:59 yellow, noisy Apr 27 07:07:10 not that noisy Apr 27 07:07:19 depends on lighting Apr 27 07:07:20 just throw a pic through a blur Apr 27 07:07:28 and it might be good enough Apr 27 07:08:02 still, the only way would be running it on external battery pack Apr 27 07:08:10 well, yup Apr 27 07:08:20 the standard battery is too small Apr 27 07:17:27 s/freelikegnu/freelikegnuinzoo/ Apr 27 07:20:21 running what on an external pack? Apr 27 07:20:31 n8x0 Apr 27 07:20:59 but running? Apr 27 07:21:10 At least the n810 webcam can guess the illumination level right Apr 27 07:21:25 sometimes ;) Apr 27 07:21:30 Never whites out, never blacks out for me Apr 27 07:21:36 heh Apr 27 07:21:45 Can't say the same about most cheapo pc webcams Apr 27 07:21:46 that's because you always get noise? Apr 27 07:21:47 :) Apr 27 07:22:03 KotCzarny: as I said, it's fairly ok as far as webcams go Apr 27 07:22:10 yeah Apr 27 07:22:16 in webcams league it's ok Apr 27 07:22:16 Now, just getting the image, a bit into the red side, but ok Apr 27 07:22:26 But it is no camera, if this is what you mean Apr 27 07:22:33 whats the name of that python editor that has the built in run button? Apr 27 07:22:52 vim has one Apr 27 07:22:55 pyedit ? pygtkedit? Apr 27 07:22:59 it's called ! Apr 27 07:23:25 no, that's a BANG Apr 27 07:23:26 ;) Apr 27 07:23:34 Run [to the hills] Apr 27 07:23:49 [far away] Apr 27 07:26:25 strange that pygtkeditor would be in the repos but its dependency isn't Apr 27 07:26:51 * Navi shrugs Apr 27 07:31:00 wood: Report it to XFade Apr 27 07:32:18 Fun Apr 27 07:33:03 arguing with this guy over on rizon about how the N800 is not a Palm, how you can code on the N800, and how the Eee and N800 don't hit the same market. Apr 27 07:33:42 s/code/code and type essays/ Apr 27 07:33:42 Navi meant: arguing with this guy over on rizon about how the N800 is not a Palm, how you can code and type essays on the N800, and how the Eee and N800 don't hit the same market. Apr 27 07:33:45 arguing on the internet.. Apr 27 07:33:46 ;) Apr 27 07:33:58 It's fun; you do it a lot. Apr 27 07:34:12 it gets boring Apr 27 07:35:16 it's not a Palm, it doesn't fit in one ;P Apr 27 07:35:27 depends on holder Apr 27 07:35:29 :) Apr 27 07:35:31 KotCzarny, you shouldn't do it so much then. Apr 27 07:35:44 navi, you know how it is Apr 27 07:35:47 :) Apr 27 07:36:10 Is that why you use so many smileys? Apr 27 07:36:15 ;) Apr 27 07:37:55 ;] Apr 27 07:40:44 Arguing on the internet is only satisfying if you make your opponent commit suicide at the end Apr 27 07:41:04 Otherwise, it's pointless... Apr 27 08:41:01 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060328 - I guess I can relate to that. Apr 27 08:42:45 When apt-get downloads a package, where are they temp stored? If I could, I would murder scratchbox. Apr 27 08:43:14 /var/cache/apt/archive Apr 27 08:43:19 Thanks. Apr 27 08:46:07 All rightey. Done with today's portion of work. Apr 27 08:46:19 +1 Apr 27 08:46:32 Sunday, so I have additional work to do Apr 27 08:46:36 free days and so ;P Apr 27 08:46:59 apt-cache clean Apr 27 08:47:10 apt-get me_a_coffee Apr 27 08:47:33 If nobody distracts me tonight, may even port MG to Unix and Maemo... Apr 27 08:47:55 what's MG Apr 27 08:48:24 fms.komkon.org/MG Apr 27 08:48:42 ah Apr 27 08:49:24 You don't have a megadrive/genesis emulator hidden somewhere? :D. I've always like megadrive over MG. Pupnik got dgen running but I read it was slow. Apr 27 08:49:34 s/like/liked/ Apr 27 08:49:34 qwerty12 meant: You don't have a megadrive/genesis emulator hidden somewhere? :D. I've always liked megadrive over MG. Pupnik got dgen running but I read it was slow. Apr 27 08:49:35 not really Apr 27 08:50:02 Ah well, great work on your current Maemo emulators. Apr 27 08:50:16 It can be sped up by using Cyclone, but I won't be doing it - too much other stuff to do Apr 27 08:50:42 qwerty: they are basically ports of the core code + EMULib glue Apr 27 08:51:43 ah. Well, it brought more games to Maemo :) Apr 27 08:51:54 EMULib will happily work with any other emulator, btw Apr 27 08:52:14 * RST38h wants to port this: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ but does not have enough time Apr 27 08:52:19 I need to restart work on ROTT again. Hopefully, I'm a bit more wiser this time. Apr 27 08:55:23 Washington Post published an article titled "Nations Confront The New Economics of Hunger" Apr 27 08:55:58 Do they mean, things are THAT fucked up? =) Apr 27 09:03:21 morning, anyone happen to know of some code to detect IT version (I know ways to do it, but am just hoping to do a copy and paste job)? Apr 27 09:06:20 Mplayer, thanks for the hint in your blog hrw Apr 27 09:08:52 'RIM Engineers Call Touchscreen Blackberry "Apple Killer"' <--- hehe, they wish :) Apr 27 09:09:37 * lardman searches for his 770 Apr 27 09:09:52 inz, thanks :). echo 4096 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr solved my problem. Apr 27 09:10:48 I'd call it "Money Grabber" Apr 27 09:11:06 shake your money grabber... Apr 27 09:11:13 sorry, got some old songs on my mind. Apr 27 09:11:13 compared to "itsPawned", well... not much worse Apr 27 09:12:42 why does "Apple Killer" remind me of "The Attack of Killer Tomatoes"? Apr 27 09:12:43 ;P Apr 27 09:14:09 It is the "killer" part I guess =) Apr 27 09:14:49 apple, tomato, who cares ;P Apr 27 09:15:07 remind me if they sell more than 100k pcs Apr 27 09:16:28 RIM will Apr 27 09:16:37 Suits love RIM Apr 27 09:16:50 except they don't love touchy stuff ;P Apr 27 09:19:04 Does not matter as long as it has RIM on it Apr 27 09:19:56 * RST38h has seen a then-recent Blackberry a year ago - no SDK, Java only, very sluggish, a lot of interface elements in plain text Apr 27 09:20:10 Uses some non-standard email "solution" too Apr 27 09:20:18 zimbra Apr 27 09:20:23 (look it up) Apr 27 09:20:40 Why *this* sells so much is beyond my comprehension Apr 27 09:21:18 because it makes them look important when they're at dinner to email their wife/mistress Apr 27 09:22:06 RST38h, agreed. atm, I'm using a java SE W810 but I'm planning on getting my P1i fixed and I'm gonna look into getting a Xperia or N96 when they come out. Apr 27 09:22:22 You mean, other similar gadgets, like Nokia or Samsung, do not make them look important? Apr 27 09:22:38 qwerty: Stay away from WinMobile phones Apr 27 09:22:57 They suck so much that it will make you miss Symbian Apr 27 09:23:00 * doc|work points both of you to openmoko.com Apr 27 09:23:05 RST38h, Ah, thanks. Apr 27 09:23:29 doc|work, I like Maemo/Linux on my internet tablet. But I don't want to miss out on the range of apps available for S60. Apr 27 09:23:30 qwerty12: xperia is nice hardware, but it's still windows mobile Apr 27 09:23:43 and wince/winmob just sucks as a mobile OS Apr 27 09:23:46 If you want a problem free (but not fashinable) phone, just buy an S60-based one from Nokia Apr 27 09:23:55 aquatix, true :) Apr 27 09:24:01 * aquatix is happy with his sony ericsson m600i Apr 27 09:24:10 qwerty12: there will be a P5 soonish Apr 27 09:24:16 aquatix, I know :) Apr 27 09:24:22 heh, k :) Apr 27 09:24:26 qwerty12: the symbian ones? Give it a little time and the freerunner will have many of those. For 'enterprisey' stuff like mail it comes with it installed Apr 27 09:24:37 or should do Apr 27 09:24:51 is repository.maemo.org working for anyone? Apr 27 09:25:04 doc: I would avoid the open-source stuff Apr 27 09:25:14 Very small user base, few applications Apr 27 09:25:15 I have to agree with RST38h. Apr 27 09:25:16 RST38h: I would avoid the closed-source stuff Apr 27 09:25:32 when they decide they no longer want to support you, you're ... fucked... Apr 27 09:25:47 With OpenMoko you are fucked from the start Apr 27 09:25:50 not to mention crapberry's require exchange last I checked Apr 27 09:25:53 Nah, the amount of applications available for S60 is amazing. Apr 27 09:26:01 RST38h: how nice, pan the product before it's even released.... Apr 27 09:26:01 Just too few applications and you only have a couple of phone models to choose from Apr 27 09:26:05 Plus the signing shit was cracked. Apr 27 09:26:24 doc: All right, how many OpenMoko phones are at the market today? Apr 27 09:26:38 I don't really UIQ3 tbh. I like the interface more than Nokia's S60 but the apps are so low in number compared to S60. Apr 27 09:26:46 RST38h: one, which is sold out, the next is soon to be released Apr 27 09:26:52 doc: One? :) Apr 27 09:26:59 do I need to repeat myself? Apr 27 09:27:02 doc: How many S60 phones are on the market? Apr 27 09:27:25 RST38h: how many of those allow are as open as the openmoko phones? Apr 27 09:27:27 doc: You want to day that in a very short time there will be TWO OpenMoko phones on the market? ;) Apr 27 09:27:46 doc: Well, S60 is open *enough* for me to program for it Apr 27 09:28:04 RST38h: oh right, sorry, I'll email them and tell them we should have 12 phones, and have them tomorrow. I'm sure they'll get right on it... Apr 27 09:28:11 Some features require that goddamn signing, but just some Apr 27 09:28:21 doc: You don't need to worry Apr 27 09:28:26 worry? Apr 27 09:28:34 * doc|work isn't worrying Apr 27 09:28:38 I mean, no need to spend your time emailing them Apr 27 09:28:49 RST38h: that was sarcasm Apr 27 09:29:06 I will just buy a phone running established platform, just like 99% consumers Apr 27 09:29:28 use windows too? Apr 27 09:29:40 Nope, because WinMobile sucks royally Apr 27 09:29:48 I didn't ask about winmobile Apr 27 09:29:53 Either S60 or UIQ3 will do though Apr 27 09:30:13 You are asking whether I use Windows at home? Apr 27 09:30:20 I don't like UIQ3 :p, probably gonna sell the P1 if I get it fixed :p Apr 27 09:30:26 Yea, I use Windows. Even program for it. Apr 27 09:30:27 * doc|home hears a whooosh Apr 27 09:30:34 RST38h: sounds about right Apr 27 09:30:42 Also use and progeram for Unix. Apr 27 09:30:57 Have I just destroyed your stereotype? Apr 27 09:31:02 not really Apr 27 09:31:26 ~lart repository.maemo.org for not working Apr 27 09:31:26 * infobot declares repository.maemo.org a moron for not working Apr 27 09:31:42 anyone got a copy of the latest os2008 kernel lying about? Apr 27 09:31:54 kernel source that is Apr 27 09:31:54 lardman: yeah, one sec Apr 27 09:32:03 er, source? or flash image? Apr 27 09:32:07 source Apr 27 09:32:10 sorry, no Apr 27 09:32:18 who's willing to upload 50MB? Apr 27 09:32:44 np, looks like the repository is starting to respond now, very very slowly Apr 27 09:32:45 I've got the source but my upload is already slow and linux even more slow and my wifi card likes to kernelpanic. Apr 27 09:32:51 :) Apr 27 09:32:58 qwerty12: I was about to upload the flash file :) ~130MB Apr 27 09:33:23 54MB :) Apr 27 09:33:30 Diff patch and kernel source. Apr 27 09:33:31 I've managed to grab a whole 517 bytes, yay! Apr 27 09:33:44 * doc|home zZzZzZz Apr 27 09:33:45 night Apr 27 09:33:51 night. Apr 27 09:33:53 night doc|home Apr 27 09:34:16 lardman, I can send you the diff patch. Maybe it will apply to the standard 2.6.21 kernel tree? Apr 27 09:35:13 qwerty12: thanks, but I'll see if I can grab it from the repo to save your bandwidth Apr 27 09:35:34 strange, I did "apt-get source rx-34-kernel" and I seem to have just got the patch... Apr 27 09:36:57 You have the diff patch right? 903.9 KB. Apr 27 09:37:08 I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz to mediafire. Apr 27 09:37:12 17 mins. Apr 27 09:37:25 * qwerty12 crosses my fingers that linux doesn't kernel panic. Apr 27 09:37:42 I've got rx-34-kernel_2.6.21.0-200749osso2.tar.gz 14726bytes Apr 27 09:38:12 H'mm I have kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz and kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz Apr 27 09:38:27 yeah, that's what I was expecting Apr 27 09:39:01 I'm uploading kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz, it will be there in 13 mins. Apr 27 09:39:10 cool, thanks Apr 27 09:39:16 After that, I'll upload the diff patch. Apr 27 09:39:21 Mediafire is fine right? Apr 27 09:39:41 I need to do some digging in the kernel code to work out what the error is on the N8x0 when I try to map the framebuffer on the DPS Apr 27 09:39:44 DSP even Apr 27 09:43:27 504 Gateway Time-out on repository.maemo.org Apr 27 09:43:38 thought I'd try anyway Apr 27 09:44:24 :(. It's gonna be 9 mins before kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0.orig.tar.gz is uploaded. After that, I'll upload kernel-source-rx-34_2.6.21.0-osso71.diff.gz and the dsc file (not sure it helps in this case but still :)) Apr 27 09:44:56 I just hope I don't get any kernel panics. Under Ubuntu 8.04, I've been pretty lucky. Apr 27 09:45:39 thanks, I have my fingers crossed for your kernel :) Apr 27 09:47:16 qwerty12: how much data do you get /month ? Apr 27 09:47:56 lardman, I think the limit's about 2gb. I go over it a lot though every month. It's about 5 computers on one wifi network. Apr 27 09:48:38 oh, sorry about that Apr 27 09:49:08 Nah, it's no problem :). I don't think uploads count anyway, if they do, I'd have found another way of going over :) Apr 27 09:49:24 Infact, I may not be going over. Apr 27 09:51:57 30 seconds :) Apr 27 09:53:59 :) Apr 27 09:54:21 http://www.mediafire.com/?n9lyk1romgv Apr 27 09:54:37 Now I'll upload the dsc file first, should take me a few seconds. And then the diff patch. Apr 27 09:55:22 http://www.mediafire.com/?cu9aveyb9wn Apr 27 09:56:01 school-boy question, but how do I download it? Apr 27 09:56:18 Click the link and wait a few secs and it says click here to download. Apr 27 09:56:19 I open the page and it sits there loading, saying it's transferring data Apr 27 09:56:40 It's working for me :/ Apr 27 09:56:56 Here is the diff patch http://www.mediafire.com/?txmlvm9cend Apr 27 09:57:35 Any luck still? :/ Apr 27 09:57:50 thanks, still sitting with most of the page rendered, but no download link Apr 27 09:57:52 hmm Apr 27 09:58:17 Hmm, do you get a blue bar about half of the screen down? Apr 27 09:58:47 ok, getting somewhere now, it was downloading a bloody flash commercial Apr 27 09:59:16 Ow. I'm using FF 3.0 with adblock, maybe that's why I didn't see it? Apr 27 09:59:53 If you aren't getting anywhere, find me another web host and I'll upload it there. Apr 27 09:59:59 my popup blocker blocked it in the end, but it's only the built-in FF one Apr 27 10:00:13 no no, I'm wget'ing it now, eta 7min Apr 27 10:00:19 thank you very much :) Apr 27 10:00:34 Cool :). No problem, good luck on your dsp issue :) Apr 27 10:00:59 thanks, I'll post it to the list to remind me the next time I look at it :) Apr 27 10:01:24 :) Apr 27 10:02:07 I'm happy now because I solved my scratchbox issues under Ubuntu Hardy. Apr 27 10:03:09 I'm using Gutsy Gibbon Apr 27 10:03:38 which is part of the problem - I had to rebuild and lots of my files got deleted in the process as I didn't have room to store it all Apr 27 10:04:16 Probably best if you don't wan't to have any issues. Installing scratchbox under Hardy is annoying. (But it works if you upgrade from gutsy, just disable VDSO) Apr 27 10:05:01 Ubuntu 7.10 was great with scratchbox, worked out of the box with no issues. But 8.04 isn't great. It was probably me who killed off repo.maemo.org :p, the amount of times I downloaded the SDK... Apr 27 10:05:14 I'll leave it alone I think - I only really use it for development, and the fewer non-development related problems I have the better :) Apr 27 10:05:24 :) Apr 27 10:05:27 Good choice :) Apr 27 10:06:12 Except for FF3 (beta), AccessKit and a new login theme, I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. Apr 27 10:07:09 Hehe, my mediafire links are here: http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/MaemoUrls Apr 27 10:07:34 I moved from Mandrakiva-whatever it';s called now, because I had dep hell trying to install anything other than FF1 Apr 27 10:08:03 good stuff, obviously some people lurking :) Apr 27 10:09:09 :(. The only distro I used properly was Ubuntu. I tried Red Hat 7 a few years later which was pointless because everything gave dep errors. And being 13, I thought Linux hated me :/ Apr 27 10:10:11 ahaha...I think I was about that age when I tried RedHat 5.1 Apr 27 10:10:30 rh5 was so bad O_o Apr 27 10:11:06 agreed :P. But I did like the installer from RH7 which made it's way into Fedora. Apr 27 10:11:34 RH5 was a really sketchy text-based installer I think Apr 27 10:12:02 Yeah, I think in RH7, it was anaconda. Apr 27 10:12:31 But Ubuntu 7.10 installer got me angry, it went and wiped my XP recovery partition. Apr 27 10:13:28 yeah, I've never trusted any distro "auto-partitioning" tools Apr 27 10:14:16 heh, FreeBSD installer tops it all Apr 27 10:14:23 it has a lot of points of no return Apr 27 10:14:25 :> Apr 27 10:14:32 Good choice. I'd made free space for Ubuntu and I let it do the work because I wasn't (and still am now) sure about creating the proper swap partition etc but it shouldn't have counted my recovery partition as it had data on it. Apr 27 10:14:57 yeah, that's not good behavior Apr 27 10:14:58 And I never did make the recovery disks (it wanted 20 single layer dvds!) Apr 27 10:15:06 O_o Apr 27 10:15:12 wtf? Apr 27 10:15:20 one for windows and 19 for bloatware? Apr 27 10:15:21 even dd wouldn't use that many Apr 27 10:15:33 esp. if compressed Apr 27 10:15:42 johnx, Must be, I couldn't believe the number. Apr 27 10:15:47 20*8 = 160G Apr 27 10:15:57 did it try to make a disk image? Apr 27 10:16:09 uncompressed? Apr 27 10:16:13 No idea, I went and cancelled it. Apr 27 10:16:27 I have to congratulate the developer who wrote that. Apr 27 10:17:04 HP. This computer came with a lot of crap. I was on the verge of downloading XP MCE of a torrent and modifying it to accept my HP OEM key. Apr 27 10:17:32 heh, at least my ACER has a real Home Edition key. Apr 27 10:17:46 I bet they make a fortune selling "recovery disks" to people... Apr 27 10:22:06 got to reboot, back in a little while, thanks for the files qwerty12 Apr 27 10:22:14 np Apr 27 10:23:15 w00t!. I finally got scratchbox to work under a clean install in hardy! Apr 27 10:26:51 nice Apr 27 10:27:00 qwerty12: what don't you like about uiq3 btw? Apr 27 10:27:06 [old subject :) ] Apr 27 10:27:20 Hehe, it's the amount of apps that are available compared to S60. Apr 27 10:27:26 Extremely less. Apr 27 10:28:11 Also, an N95 with 64MB ram can run Quake1 fine but my P1i with 128MB ram cannot due to heap size or something. Things like that. Apr 27 10:28:49 hm Apr 27 10:28:57 never tried quake on my m600i [yet] Apr 27 10:29:07 but i like what it does Apr 27 10:30:01 you will never get the chance to :P. I thought UIQ3 had a lot of potential but at the end of the day, even my N-Gage could run more apps than my P1i. Apr 27 10:30:24 yeah, but what does s60 have that uiq3 doesn't? Apr 27 10:30:31 just being curious :) Apr 27 10:30:57 <_acyd_> i still want an e90 Apr 27 10:31:18 * aquatix played with an e90 yesterday Apr 27 10:31:20 quite nice Apr 27 10:31:25 missed a touch screen :/ Apr 27 10:31:54 and i think the browser isn't up-to-par with microb :) Apr 27 10:31:59 one of my friends is deaf, he school provided her with a blackberry curve initially Apr 27 10:32:02 Way more apps :P and games :P. Also, more customisations can be done. Also Nokia doesn't abandon their customers. N95 and P990 has same amount of ram. Nokia announce that memory stuff, what is, yes, demand paging. Boosted up the speed of the N95 nicely. SE announce they will not be making anymore firmware updates. Apr 27 10:32:09 but then they went 80% on an e90 Apr 27 10:33:06 yeah, abandoning updates sucks Apr 27 10:33:13 otoh, n95 is still a current model Apr 27 10:33:44 p990 and m600i are `old' models Apr 27 10:34:12 But the P990 shouldn't have been abandoned like that. The p1i (which I have) wasn't a massive step up. Biggest thing was the 128MB ram which the N95 8GB got too. Nokia still put demand paging in N95. Apr 27 10:36:10 hm-hmm Apr 27 10:36:18 i don't defend sony Apr 27 10:36:32 i just like having a touch screen, and i think uiq3 does quite well Apr 27 10:36:43 Wait, are you holding up Nokia as a shining example of not abandoning hardware? Apr 27 10:37:10 johnx, not in general but in that case, the circumstances were very similar. Apr 27 10:37:38 I'm unsure. Should I install xemacs or emacs-curses? Apr 27 10:37:41 still, the n95 is still a current model, so i see a distinction Apr 27 10:37:45 qwerty12: vim ;) Apr 27 10:37:47 * aquatix hides Apr 27 10:38:09 aquatix, I use vim :) but I want to try out emacs too on my N800 :) Apr 27 10:38:20 emacs on your n800? ouch :P Apr 27 10:38:32 hm, is there a vim package for maemo? Apr 27 10:38:34 * aquatix gooels Apr 27 10:38:38 *googles Apr 27 10:38:44 Yes, there is. full vim I think. Apr 27 10:38:55 nice Apr 27 10:39:21 I think it's also in OS2008 software catalog at www.maemo.org/software/OS2008 Apr 27 10:39:58 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ Apr 27 10:40:27 Ah, it's done by mgedmin :) Apr 27 10:41:18 Updated 1970-01-01 00:00 UTC Apr 27 10:41:28 wow, someone was foreseeing :) Apr 27 10:41:29 lol Apr 27 11:31:20 why is the search function in Gnome so rubbish? Apr 27 11:32:32 <`0660> which search backend do you use? Apr 27 11:32:46 no idea, as it comes out of the box Apr 27 11:32:51 with Ubuntu Apr 27 11:33:09 Nautilus 2.20.0 Apr 27 11:33:39 <`0660> i don't know how ubuntu is configured :/ Apr 27 11:34:28 Nautilus leaves a lot to be desired (coming from KDE), no tabbed filebrowsing (afaict) and the search button has no options and seems to just search -R ~/* Apr 27 11:34:39 <`0660> you could try installing tracker or beagle Apr 27 11:34:55 yeah, I'll have to do some experimenting Apr 27 11:38:56 lardman: tabs? Apr 27 11:38:58 just use windows Apr 27 11:39:11 tabs are a fix to bad window management Apr 27 11:39:15 not that metacity is good ;P Apr 27 11:39:25 AStorm: I end up with ~10 windows open on the desktop then Apr 27 11:39:31 so? Apr 27 11:39:43 enable one-window mode? Apr 27 11:41:20 what's that? Apr 27 11:41:49 makes it not open windows for folders Apr 27 11:42:47 ~10 filebrowser windows + 2 ssh windows + 2 sftp windows + 2 terms for compiler (ARM & DSP) -> too many windows, feels cluttered Apr 27 11:42:58 AStorm: so it can open in tabs then? Apr 27 11:43:21 double-middleclick closes the parent when opening the child, fwiw Apr 27 11:44:14 and if you use the low-chrome version instead of the browse-ui laden style that ubuntu may still default to, having a few folders open isn't very disturbing Apr 27 11:45:19 ah, I don't get that, mine keeps the same window open and changes the contents, but I really need to see the contents of multiple directories without scolling through Apr 27 11:45:58 e.g. ARM & DSP build directories, probably a couple of example build directories, kernel code directory, dspgateway dir, my pdf dir, etc., etc. Apr 27 11:46:17 compare http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html Apr 27 11:46:23 my solution is just multiple desktops and compiz Apr 27 11:47:59 sp3000: remove the clutter on the side you mean, the context menus sort of stuff Apr 27 11:48:37 johnx: yeah, I've been doing that - one desktop for the device (so ssh, sftp windows, etc.), another for the ARM build and another for the DSP build, but it's not ideal Apr 27 11:48:39 the places list on the left? just double click the dividing line Apr 27 11:49:23 the other thing is liberal use of the "scale windows" ie the mac expose rip-off Apr 27 11:49:51 throw my mouse cursor at the bottom right and it fits everything on the screen Apr 27 11:49:59 lardman, the bit in table 1 shows the difference between always_use_browser and not, i.e. upstream and ubuntu defaults Apr 27 11:51:09 * sp3000 prefers more content, less chrome Apr 27 11:51:10 but, whatever setup suits you best is the right answer :) Apr 27 11:51:14 I see, but that's not the issue here, I know I can open multiple windows (which is what I have to do), but I'd prefer to have a less cluttered taskbar Apr 27 11:51:38 hmm Apr 27 11:51:42 i.e. a single entry on the taskbar for filebrowsers (tabs for example) Apr 27 11:51:47 it does do grouping Apr 27 11:52:21 yeah, right click the taskbar area, hit properties, "group windows when space is limited Apr 27 11:52:23 settings in context menu from the handle on the left end of the tasklist Apr 27 11:52:24 Yes, and if I took a little longer to read the labels on the taskbar that would also help, or made my taskbar bigger, but it still niggles Apr 27 11:53:09 * johnx wants to see a better tabs implementation at the window manager level :/ Apr 27 11:53:16 many of the directory names (the last one) are the same, so I may have 3 windows all called "ARM" and have to switch between them to see which is the one I want Apr 27 11:53:18 will wander off and google it probably Apr 27 11:53:23 I hear there are such wms Apr 27 11:53:45 yeah, but most of the ones I've seen are brain damagingly ugly Apr 27 11:54:08 and ... I *really* like compiz Apr 27 11:54:10 Konqueror can open filebrowsers in tabs, looks like firefox Apr 27 11:54:18 I have a feeling they tend to require subscribing to an ideological newsletter, yes Apr 27 11:54:31 right, but I want it at the window manager level Apr 27 11:54:41 there's no reason to code it into each app Apr 27 11:55:02 yes there is Apr 27 11:55:10 different apps use different frameworks Apr 27 11:55:35 ok, fair enough...but I'd *also* like to see it at a wm level so I can tab apps that aren't coded with tabs in mind Apr 27 11:55:43 for example rxvt Apr 27 11:56:04 i think i see what you mean Apr 27 11:56:17 tabbed instances for the same program Apr 27 11:56:43 right, just cut the title bar in half and raise window1 when I click on the left, and window two when I click on the right Apr 27 11:56:58 3 tabs? three sections of the title bar Apr 27 11:57:14 ok, someone has to have done this now that I think of it... Apr 27 11:57:23 sure, such things exist Apr 27 11:57:34 that let you arrange windows into tabbed stacks Apr 27 11:57:43 * sp3000 can't name one offhand though :) Apr 27 11:58:04 * johnx digs through compiz options Apr 27 11:59:56 ahaha...well I've found things I really don't want Apr 27 12:01:31 that's what options are for, things that most people don't want :P Apr 27 12:02:53 lardman, grab this: compizconfig-settings-manager Apr 27 12:03:01 then dig through the options for "groups and tabs" Apr 27 12:03:40 I'm still playing, but this seems like it might be close to what I want at least Apr 27 12:08:27 last time I tried compiz my computer died Apr 27 12:08:57 ah, for some reason I thought you were already running it Apr 27 12:09:08 in gutsy 7.10? Apr 27 12:09:17 to be honest I haven't a clue what I'm running Apr 27 12:09:19 yeah Apr 27 12:10:16 when you tried compiz was it a whole bunch of packages you had to install? If you're using gutsy you can just click system -> preferences -> appearance and enable "desktop effects" aka compiz Apr 27 12:10:31 if it doesn't work you can let it sit for 30 seconds and it will restore your old settings Apr 27 12:10:39 nothing new to install, etc Apr 27 12:11:00 when I tried was with Manrdiva, and I've disabled all "effects" now as my 7900gtx and 7300gs don't seem to like playing together Apr 27 12:11:15 so yes, I have probably used in with Ubuntu too Apr 27 12:11:28 aaaah...I remember now. You have a hojillion monitors hooked up Apr 27 12:11:46 yeah, no idea Apr 27 12:11:57 I had 3 and was planning 4, have fallen back to 2, really need to get a new graphics card Apr 27 12:11:59 maybe there's another tabbed wm that can fit in well with gnome Apr 27 12:12:41 because compiz does it ... but it's pretty rudimentary and seems like it's more flash than substance... Apr 27 12:12:43 I'll have a look into it at some point, thanks for the pointer though. I may give compiz another look (once I've finished what I'm doing and it won't piss me off to much if I get a kernel panic) Apr 27 12:13:07 good plan Apr 27 12:26:50 i had compiz fusion running for awhile, then i got bored with it and got rid of it all Apr 27 12:43:32 is there anyone with european version of N810? Apr 27 12:43:55 how do you mean european version? I bought mine in the UK Apr 27 12:44:14 Robot101: i have bought it in US and it only sees 11 wifi channels Apr 27 12:44:24 since i live in europe, i want to use all 13 Apr 27 12:44:34 yeah, you can't change that. Apr 27 12:44:46 can you please do an md5sum of your /lib/firmware/3826.arm for me? Apr 27 12:45:06 it's set in the ROM of the device, not the firmware Apr 27 12:45:23 that's pretty bad Apr 27 12:45:28 only the bootloader can write there Apr 27 12:45:36 i see Apr 27 12:45:39 it's not bad, it's entirely intentional... Apr 27 12:46:14 the prices are quite differrent, i know... Apr 27 12:46:36 it's nothing to do with the prices, it's a legal requirement depending where the devices are sold Apr 27 12:46:45 where can i find some further information on this topic? Apr 27 12:47:52 well, since i'm no longer in the us, i'd like to change that. N810 is not sold where i live (actually the staff in local nokia store crowded to see my IT when i came back) so i have to help myself Apr 27 12:48:25 :P Apr 27 12:48:54 aloha Apr 27 12:50:01 i just did a kde install on mmc2 and now my virtual memory is limited to 96 megs, anyone run across this? Apr 27 12:51:08 aquarius-: I've only ever changed the ROM on one device where I wrote over it by mistake with a buggy version of the flasher which mis-identified the prototype device as a new device with a different flash layout, and wiped the ROM bit Apr 27 12:51:40 so stuff like the MAC address and BTID were gone Apr 27 12:51:53 most people in nokia said it was a brick then, but someone built me a version of the flasher which wrote back a MAC address into the ROM Apr 27 12:52:04 but they had to recompile the flasher for me to do it Apr 27 12:52:18 and you definitely can't do that, and this bit of ROM isn't writable under linux Apr 27 12:53:08 interesting... Apr 27 12:53:10 ubercool info Apr 27 12:53:13 sorry, s/flasher/bootloader/ Apr 27 12:53:27 isn't writable or ins't supposed to be writable? ;) (sounds like similar problem with restricted wifi cards in thinkpads) Apr 27 12:53:47 and if nokia ever allowed anyone to mess around with the rom the fcc and similar would drop some legal elefants on them quite fast... Apr 27 12:54:00 t_s_o: right, I think so, yes... Apr 27 12:54:19 so they compiled you a custom bootloader that could write back the correct values when run? Apr 27 12:54:21 ok, it seems that only reverse engineering will do the thing, right? :) Apr 27 12:54:22 its a common problem with radioes and open source... Apr 27 12:54:26 johnx: yeah Apr 27 12:54:48 johnx: you send some escape over the serial port (with a debugging jig) and get to a NOLO prompt Apr 27 12:55:13 aquarius-: well it's clearly not supposed to be writable, but I don't know how/where that's enforced, or even where you'd start looking, but the general idea I got is that you can't get to it from linux, it needs to be the bootloader Apr 27 12:55:14 and that magic place that holds MAC address and channel list isn't actually part of the same NAND chip that holds bootloader, kernel, initfs, rootfs, etc? Apr 27 12:55:42 hrm, well I think it is, but it's not written to by the flasher. Apr 27 12:55:44 as someone pointed out to me, its easier to jam transmissions then control them. so any kind of radio that isnt tightly limited is basically a jammer... Apr 27 12:56:20 Robot101, thanks for the info Apr 27 12:59:02 is there anyone actually doing some research about this wifi channel thing on IT? i can try to download and maybe understand the kernel driver but i'm not really a programmer, just root :) Apr 27 13:01:08 Robot101: can you do me the favor and md5sum that firmware anyway? thanks Apr 27 13:06:40 ahaha...I wonder if wlancond actually sets the frequency limits rather than the kernel driver Apr 27 13:06:47 I just have this funny feeling :) Apr 27 13:10:20 well, iwconfig will actually let me set channels up to 13, but I have no idea if that's actually happening at a hardware level Apr 27 13:11:20 arghhhhhh johnx, turn down your wifi. its bleeding over the tv signal. no amp should goto 13 Apr 27 13:11:42 :P Apr 27 13:12:18 hey, the country I'm in now actually allows it :P Apr 27 13:12:19 johnx: dmesg tells you how many channels are active Apr 27 13:12:28 ah, ok Apr 27 13:12:54 aquarius-, cx3110x: scanned 13 channels Apr 27 13:13:03 is that what you're talking about? Apr 27 13:13:17 johnx: yes, that's it... I only have 11 channels Apr 27 13:14:12 well, here's part of your answer, wlancond looks up some stuff in flash or ROM or *someplace* and messes with wifi based on that Apr 27 13:15:40 there is strace available for maemo... cool :) Apr 27 13:15:52 I have Debian booted on my N800 and I'm using wpa_supplicant to handle wifi connections, so my MAC address is 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee Apr 27 13:16:06 and my channels are available up to 13 Apr 27 13:16:32 it says 14 is available too, in iwlist, but I think that's not actually available in hardware or in the cx3110x kernel driver Apr 27 13:16:59 what country actually allows channel 14? japan? Apr 27 13:17:03 yup Apr 27 13:17:18 ah, and Spain now Apr 27 13:17:26 * johnx reads wikipedia Apr 27 13:18:09 * aquarius- wonders how does the situation look on spanish-french border :) Apr 27 13:19:41 i'll psh your face Apr 27 13:20:00 ack, way for xchat to go active Apr 27 13:20:00 it sure would be funny if you could just trick wlancond into looking somewhere else for the info Apr 27 13:20:07 ahaha Apr 27 13:20:21 * acydlord facepalms Apr 27 13:21:02 heh...the number of times I've typed ls or cd .. into IRC is quite impressive Apr 27 13:21:11 lol Apr 27 13:21:17 johnx: i've thought about that one... similar to change MAC address only till next reboot... I can set this to run on boot time Apr 27 13:21:43 i've caught myself trying to grep or whereis in the address bar a few times Apr 27 13:22:28 acydlord: you can at least use `whois` there :) (new google function) Apr 27 13:22:57 if i had my browser set up properly yes Apr 27 13:23:05 i use flock and ive been too lazy to switch it from yahoo Apr 27 13:24:17 se you later, folks... I'm gonna enjoy rest of the afternoon geocaching :) Apr 27 13:24:53 have fun Apr 27 13:25:07 Robot101, johnx: thanks for hints Apr 27 13:25:08 tell me if you strace wlancond later and get any good info out of it :) Apr 27 13:26:12 johnx: the only good info so far is that I wish I payed more attention at programming lessons :) Apr 27 13:26:25 heh...you and me both Apr 27 13:26:40 I wish i had programming lessons Apr 27 13:58:59 hi Apr 27 14:09:59 for some reason I am having trouble getting flasher-3.0 to run with ./flasher-3.0 command Apr 27 14:10:14 is it giving an error? Apr 27 14:10:55 just saying ./flasher-3.0: command not found Apr 27 14:11:31 did you make sure you made it executable (chmod +x flasher-3.0)? Are you in the same directory as it? Apr 27 14:11:47 ls flasher-3.0 Apr 27 14:11:49 i tried using chmod on it Apr 27 14:11:57 one sec Apr 27 14:13:06 i was running chmod with the with the .bin in the name Apr 27 14:13:11 let me try this again Apr 27 14:16:42 do i need to perform chmod on the os bin as well? Apr 27 14:16:56 nope Apr 27 14:18:58 thanks john I got it Apr 27 14:19:03 woo! Apr 27 14:19:09 it was just a small naming error Apr 27 14:52:31 does anyone else have an Igo bluetooth keyboard that had trouble pairing the devices? Apr 27 14:53:09 search irc logs for my instructions Apr 27 14:53:48 where can those be found at? Apr 27 14:54:23 * aquatix has iGo bt keyboard, but no troubles Apr 27 14:54:37 google with #maemo as one of keywords Apr 27 14:54:54 topic Apr 27 14:55:09 as is polite for a publicly logged channel Apr 27 14:55:19 let me check that really fast.. i think that it has to do with the device name Apr 27 14:55:22 * qwerty12 is now doing my 6th install of scratchbox in 2 days. Apr 27 14:58:36 0 matches in 549 log files with 882591 lines (47.7 seconds). Apr 27 14:58:43 that server is slow or what? Apr 27 14:58:44 :) Apr 27 14:59:01 (mg.pov.lt) Apr 27 15:00:00 qwerty12, what do you keep breaking Apr 27 15:00:40 hm, I think it's been fast for me historically, maybe it's hit a perf knee on size Apr 27 15:01:02 lcuk, It's been a piss take installing the scratchbox in Ubuntu 8.04. 7.10 was perfect for sbox but 8.04 needs tweaking. I'm now starting again with the required changes made :) Apr 27 15:01:22 ok, i will write instructions again Apr 27 15:01:57 oh great, NOW you tell me - its just upgrading my 710 to 804 Apr 27 15:02:17 Muhahaha, if you are upgrading, just disable vdso :) Apr 27 15:02:27 1/ goto control panel, bt keyboards, 2/ make igo discoverable, 3/ search and start pairing on n8x0 (it will show you pin to enter on kb) 4/ enter this pin on kb + enter Apr 27 15:02:36 thankfully i havent but sb on but i wrongly thought there wouldnt be a problem Apr 27 15:02:52 lcuk, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175208#post175208 Apr 27 15:02:53 you may try doing it few times because time frame when kb is accepting pin is very small Apr 27 15:03:40 thx qwerty12 ill read through when its finished updating Apr 27 15:03:43 qwerty12: you list ph5 blog as the source of vdso info, aboo ;) Apr 27 15:04:01 KotCzarny, that's where I found the simple instructions I used :) Apr 27 15:04:19 :) Apr 27 15:04:22 I remember you proving it worked on your system after I said that line didn't work on mine :) Apr 27 15:04:30 If you want I can add you there too :) Apr 27 15:04:43 ok, who wants a coffee? Apr 27 15:04:45 but it was me pointing you that vdso needs to be disabled at the first place :) Apr 27 15:04:55 * KotCzarny drank only 2 cups of coffee in the whole life Apr 27 15:04:56 :) Apr 27 15:05:08 KotCzarny, true :). I'll add you if you wan't :) Apr 27 15:05:10 KotCzarny, it's ok, I'm making up for it Apr 27 15:05:14 s/coffee/tea Apr 27 15:05:19 * qwerty12 has never drunk tea or coffee in my life Apr 27 15:05:22 or whatever the syntax is Apr 27 15:05:29 finish it off with a / Apr 27 15:05:30 qwerty12: nah, i'm just grumbling :) Apr 27 15:05:38 then infobot comes in Apr 27 15:05:40 no, don't finish Apr 27 15:05:46 KotCzarny, I don't mean to offend :) Apr 27 15:05:54 people can do substitution themselves Apr 27 15:06:10 why call bot to spam the already active chan :) Apr 27 15:06:23 well, tea could be ok too Apr 27 15:06:27 with lemon though Apr 27 15:06:33 True. I shall stop using / :) Apr 27 15:06:58 ok, who would like a hot beverage whilst i am downstairs in the kitchen boiling the kettle and making myself a cup of lovely coffee? Apr 27 15:07:12 I drink a pot of cofee a day Apr 27 15:07:16 hot cocoa sounds great Apr 27 15:07:38 lcuk, sure :). How much is shipping to London from up north? :p Apr 27 15:08:24 shipping isnt a problem and luckily by the time it gets down to the wussy south it will be cool enough for you to drink :P Apr 27 15:08:58 You know da dirty south come merk da north :P Apr 27 15:09:14 Actually I'm unsure which side I should be on :/ Apr 27 15:09:23 qwerty12: btw. info about vdso is in scratchbox install/readmy txt file i think Apr 27 15:09:46 KotCzarny, I include it again for people like me who never read it :) Apr 27 15:09:56 ;) Apr 27 15:10:21 and for your bandwidth and regular redownloads problem, how much spare disk space you have? Apr 27 15:10:30 it may be beneficial for you to setup some caching proxy Apr 27 15:10:47 ~10-20gb should do Apr 27 15:10:56 26GB free on my Ubuntu partition and about 30GB left on Windows :/ Apr 27 15:17:31 repartitioning is such great fun Apr 27 15:17:46 or resizing rather Apr 27 15:17:55 scary /and/ it takes forever :) Apr 27 15:18:14 Indeed :). I used a little Warez cd I downloaded to do it... Apr 27 15:19:44 gparted worked fine for me Apr 27 15:20:32 It took ages (it didn't seem to be doing anything) and all I wanted was a 50GB partition. And as much as I'm gonna be hated, I prefer commercial tools when touching my hard disk. Apr 27 15:20:35 * qwerty12 runs like hell Apr 27 15:20:40 aside from a little transient interference from things wanting to automount parts on the external drive here and there Apr 27 15:21:50 * sp3000 sneaks in and mounts ntfs on qwerty12's / Apr 27 15:22:02 noooooooooooooooooooooo Apr 27 15:22:40 that wouldn't be too bad Apr 27 15:22:50 i think ntfs supports most of the essential things Apr 27 15:22:58 /dev is tmpfs anyway Apr 27 15:23:02 No permissions though :/ Apr 27 15:23:13 no? Apr 27 15:23:18 try ntfs-3g Apr 27 15:23:18 :) Apr 27 15:23:34 Does ntfs-3g let you set exec permissions etc? :) Apr 27 15:23:41 probably Apr 27 15:23:43 :) Apr 27 15:24:06 but i haven't tried it, may be information buzz in my head Apr 27 15:24:12 Sounds alright. Maybe i'll run convert c: /f:ntfs soon anyway. Apr 27 15:24:33 try on a usb-flash or something first Apr 27 15:24:34 :) Apr 27 15:24:37 Never! ext3 for me :p Apr 27 15:24:46 I use NTFS on my win partition :) Apr 27 15:25:39 brb, scratchbox wants me to log out. Apr 27 15:25:48 Hi ! Apr 27 15:27:03 Hey ... ubuntu is now totally eradicated at home :) Apr 27 15:28:08 uhm, congratulations? Apr 27 15:29:01 I'm tempted to go in the same way if this install of sbox doesn't work. Or at least downgrade to 7.10. Apr 27 15:30:17 my main problem wasn't scratchbox ... it s that i ve made a dist-upgrade ... Apr 27 15:30:32 and the last one is a carnage on my pc Apr 27 15:30:51 wifi don't work ... and i don't understand why compil fails ... Apr 27 15:31:12 of the module. The one which is in the distribution don't work too Apr 27 15:31:42 when backup from sleep ... usb is desactivated ... (it s a problem with an usb keyboard) Apr 27 15:31:51 Ah. I'm glad ndiswrapper kept on working for me but I'm not so glad I have to use ndiswrapper in the 1st place. Apr 27 15:31:54 and the sli doesn't seems to work Apr 27 15:31:57 * qwerty12 carries on my rant about ti Apr 27 15:32:18 i ve a rt91 wifi chipset Apr 27 15:32:28 rt61 Apr 27 15:32:52 and when i ve try to fix this ... i ve kill grub ... :?{â~#{~ !!! Apr 27 15:33:00 Woah. Apr 27 15:33:05 so i ve try gOS Apr 27 15:33:14 but now it s based on gnome ... beurk Apr 27 15:33:20 well, just have grub on usb stick or something Apr 27 15:33:35 KotCzarny: yes and need to compile a new kernel :) Apr 27 15:33:41 Nah, I like Gnome. Apr 27 15:33:54 if Ubuntu pisses me off enough I'll probably just end up back on Debian, but for now it hasn't hit that threshold Apr 27 15:33:55 i liked gnome in the past ... ;) Apr 27 15:34:14 it s what i ve done ... a good one stable Debian ... Apr 27 15:34:28 as i don't have the time to fix problem Apr 27 15:34:29 Debian looks boring to me :/ Apr 27 15:34:33 ? Apr 27 15:34:50 with e17 this rocks :) Apr 27 15:34:54 qwerty12: try bsd in that case Apr 27 15:34:59 lol Apr 27 15:35:07 The desktop just says welcome to boredom for me :P. I'm tempted to try out OpenSUSE. Apr 27 15:35:18 qwerty12, ahahaha. Ubuntu is just Debian with gnome installed by default and some user-friendly tweaks Apr 27 15:35:19 keesj, even more exciting than Debian? :p Apr 27 15:35:47 johnx: userfriendly ... it s say quickly ... firefox 3 as default ... hum hum Apr 27 15:35:48 qwerty12: I think it still rocks , only very boring Apr 27 15:35:48 :) Apr 27 15:35:56 johnx, I know but Ubuntu and me just seem to click more than Debian does. At least 7.10. Apr 27 15:36:07 keesj, for some reason, I've never been tempted to try out BSD. Apr 27 15:36:14 yeah, things that just work are pretty boring Apr 27 15:36:17 like seatbelts Apr 27 15:36:19 :) Apr 27 15:36:27 I hate seatbelts too :/ Apr 27 15:36:32 qwerty12: download the livecd version Apr 27 15:36:46 qwerty12, ahahaha. :D Apr 27 15:36:56 keesj, Yeah. I'll try it out in a Linux host ;p Apr 27 15:37:02 johnx, what can I say :p Apr 27 15:37:39 just say that you'll wear your seatbelt anyways, and I'll be happy Apr 27 15:38:27 I should wear it, my mom goes on at me too but I feel uncomfortable with it on :) Apr 27 15:39:32 If I offer you one bit of advice as someone who is older and has had more experiences than you: wear your seatbelt. If I hadn't I wouldn't be talking to you on IRC today. Apr 27 15:41:03 Wow. After hearing that, I shall wear it. Glad you are here, kinda shocked me to hear that. Apr 27 15:41:08 Thanks. Apr 27 15:42:00 good. Apr 27 15:45:16 ok public service announcement over. the channel can go back to being un-serious now. :D Apr 27 15:45:38 OMG SRSLY? Apr 27 15:45:41 Ok. here is do or die moment (for ubuntu anyway). Will it install armel package under hardy fine? Apr 27 15:45:42 Hehe Apr 27 15:46:14 before i flash my nokia again, does anyone have any last minute suggestions to why i cant access anything over the network? This happened right after i uninstalled adblock Apr 27 15:46:20 I always wear my seatbelt. I put it on habitually Apr 27 15:46:39 it connects to the wirless ok, just wont display webpages, and ping reply with "network unreachable" Apr 27 15:46:50 * koyote chuckles Apr 27 15:47:13 problem 1 with linux PDAs. People think if it works, it's boring. Apr 27 15:47:24 lol definately true Apr 27 15:47:41 O_o Apr 27 15:47:49 after finishing isntalling everythin on it last nite i was like, so what now... Apr 27 15:48:03 thats the problem with linux in general Apr 27 15:48:13 which is why, despite having 3 linux PDAs, if I want something to actually use, it's a palm. Apr 27 15:48:57 If it works, it's boring :P Apr 27 15:49:02 palm is very usefull indeed, Apr 27 15:49:11 right, but sometimes boring things are necessary Apr 27 15:49:12 my phone is palm Apr 27 15:49:13 Nah, I find my N800 a good replacement for my PPC. Nowhere near the same amount of games but the internet browser beats the ones I used at that time (ie mobile, opera & netfront) Apr 27 15:49:18 stupid? well, yeah. If I want to actually use computers and have them work FOR ME and make my life easier, instead of existing to serve them, I should someday migrate away from linux pdas Apr 27 15:49:22 i still use my n810 more than any of my systems Apr 27 15:49:34 Note, I don't use or need any PIM(p) at all :p Apr 27 15:49:45 being able to check my gmail whithin a few seconds after I wake up from sleep is such an experiance Apr 27 15:49:47 i dont use pim either Apr 27 15:50:03 I use dates and maemopad+ Apr 27 15:50:07 I use PIM. Apr 27 15:50:16 acydlord, that's why we use our N8*0 more than the others muhahahaha :p Apr 27 15:50:24 and you know what? on the 8x0 it sucks :) Apr 27 15:50:29 sadly i must say my n810 is my second most stable machine Apr 27 15:50:34 canola !! Apr 27 15:50:41 qwerty12, i just use 30boxes when i need a pim :) Apr 27 15:50:54 which is really amusing since I've had better ones on radio shack BASIC programmables. Apr 27 15:51:01 I don't actually use canola. It's flashy and nice but I always end up using xmms. Apr 27 15:51:06 acydlord, nice :p :) Apr 27 15:51:11 What's wrong with GPE and Dates? Apr 27 15:51:17 my contacts are all in my email accounts or my sip accounts Apr 27 15:51:22 it's not like the "development resources" scarcity argument applies. I think they really just don't care. Apr 27 15:51:23 dates is fine and all Apr 27 15:51:34 but i prefer to have more like a global roaming profile Apr 27 15:51:43 I'll acknowledge that Palms for PIM being much better, but those two aren't that bad. Apr 27 15:52:08 my pin has been in cvs for ages ssh + grep is very powerfull Apr 27 15:52:25 eh, the gpesuite synced flawlessly between my windows, linux, and palm when i had it installe don my n810 Apr 27 15:53:01 I only have GPE installed so I can use it with GPE summary to stick notes on my N800's desktop. Probably the only organising I do :/ Apr 27 15:53:10 i still have all my phone numbers in an sql database at my offsite datacenter Apr 27 15:53:26 lol, i use real sticky notes Apr 27 15:53:35 my room is covered in postits Apr 27 15:54:22 lol, I can't be bothered to keep filling up on sticky notes :p Apr 27 15:54:23 acyd, did you ever finish the sqlite wordpress thingie? Apr 27 15:55:00 unfortunately no, i kind of abandoned it when i ended up taking on too much work Apr 27 15:55:26 hopefully in about a year i'll have the means to do whatever i want Apr 27 15:56:04 planning on opening up a brewery and bar in seattle and starting an NPO to evangelise opensource to companies and schools Apr 27 15:56:36 good luck. Apr 27 15:56:39 thx Apr 27 15:56:43 "If it works, it's no fun" Apr 27 15:56:55 the brewing and bar should be okay, though :) Apr 27 15:56:55 acyd, I actually had a pretty decently working wordpress 2.3, but never got upgrade from the older one to work Apr 27 15:57:02 acyd, and then my laptop's hdd crashed Apr 27 15:57:13 Hello opensuse: http://pastebin.ca/999401 Apr 27 15:57:20 inz ouch, i've had 2 systems die out on me since then Apr 27 15:57:27 I've thought about starting a meadery down here in CA. Apr 27 15:57:42 when i'm done slimming down wordpress 2.5 i may be able to give it another rundown Apr 27 15:57:43 I make a couple hundred gallons a year as it is Apr 27 15:58:30 i was trying to start up a site doing microbrew reviews Apr 27 15:58:32 but i got lazy Apr 27 15:59:36 seems to be a running theme with me for the past year or 2 lol Apr 27 16:02:54 acydlord, reminds me of a song by Afroman... Apr 27 16:03:02 lol Apr 27 16:03:57 well folks i'm gonna go watch the golden compass and try to stake awake for the day Apr 27 16:04:01 i shall be back Apr 27 16:04:18 Please let me apologise for wasting so much repo.maemo.org bandwidth, stupid sdk, me and ubuntu 8.04. Apr 27 16:04:23 ummm hi guys Apr 27 16:04:43 where can i find install mythtv full package? and no one by one Apr 27 16:04:56 Not gonna happen. Apr 27 16:05:31 There was an alpha build up on ITT Apr 27 16:05:57 But he wants all the deps in one package. Apr 27 16:07:31 yes possible? Apr 27 16:07:42 i want for online install Apr 27 16:08:05 It isn't possible. Why not use dpkg -i to install. Apr 27 16:08:49 qwerty12 hi where is the packages? Apr 27 16:09:19 onlt here : https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mythtv/ ? Apr 27 16:09:25 Yes. Apr 27 16:09:44 Someone should whip up a one-click install Apr 27 16:09:49 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3736/libmyth-0.21_0.21-maemo1_armel.deb Apr 27 16:10:14 This page says what deb files you need: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18270 Apr 27 16:10:28 ops this https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3739/mythtv_0.21-maemo1_all.deb Apr 27 16:10:37 qwerty12 thank u Apr 27 16:10:51 You do know you need mythtv running on the computer as well right? unless you set up a backend on the device. Apr 27 16:12:27 qwerty12 how many tv chans are into mythtv? Apr 27 16:12:49 no idea, I never got it to work with my computer so I went and removed it. Apr 27 16:13:03 You need a tv tuner on your computer to watch tv off the N800. Apr 27 16:13:12 even then, the video may not stream well. Apr 27 16:13:36 qwerty12 but the quality of video center is good Apr 27 16:14:22 qwerty12 i want to test mythtv now...but ...so...u don't know how many and which tv chans are into it? Apr 27 16:15:25 * Navi likes rotation Apr 27 16:15:39 srsly? Apr 27 16:15:45 I do. Apr 27 16:15:52 rotation is oooold Apr 27 16:16:13 I've been using it for a llllllllllllllong time ;) Apr 27 16:16:13 Old or not, I didn't try it 'till now out of sheer laziness Apr 27 16:16:56 I need to set up evolution to sync with dates too, but I've been lazy with that as well :P Apr 27 16:48:05 Does anyone know if OpenSUSE 10.3 uses apt? Apr 27 16:49:09 doesn't it use yum? Apr 27 16:49:33 It doesn't Apr 27 16:49:50 yam Apr 27 16:49:55 no, yast! Apr 27 16:50:03 I think it uses rpm looking at the the download page. I really need to get rid of Ubuntu. I can't believe they put out such pos with 8.04. Apr 27 16:50:36 suse broke all package management in 10.1 Apr 27 16:50:40 It uses an RPM packages, yes. Apr 27 16:51:03 qwerty12, what's wrong with it? Apr 27 16:51:19 besides scratchbox not being compatible with it? Apr 27 16:51:37 Nothing. But the scratchbox issue is pretty big for me. Apr 27 16:52:02 well, that's going to happen with any newer distro I assume Apr 27 16:52:05 when we'll see pyqt4 ? :) Apr 27 16:52:06 you can use the non-deb setup Apr 27 16:52:16 I'm not going to do through another 12 installs of scratchbox again. Apr 27 16:52:20 s/do/go Apr 27 16:52:36 7.10 was brilliant, any way I can downgrade? Apr 27 16:52:46 hmm...probably not easily Apr 27 16:53:07 Yeah, fuck it. I'm just gonna format and go back to windows and decide which distro to use. Apr 27 16:53:09 It's just one more install with the non-deb way. Apr 27 16:53:19 easier than a reformat Apr 27 16:53:36 qwerty: What happened with Ubuntu at 8.02? Apr 27 16:53:38 * johnx shrugs Apr 27 16:53:39 8.04 sorry Apr 27 16:53:43 your choice Apr 27 16:53:54 RST38h, sbox has some issues with 8.04 apparently Apr 27 16:54:08 qwerty: have you already tried sb2 though/ Apr 27 16:54:10 ? Apr 27 16:54:21 johnx, what issues? Apr 27 16:54:25 RST38h, sbox2 doesn't work. I issued that command and I still get same error :( Apr 27 16:54:56 well there's the vdso issue and I'm sure qwerty12 will expound on other problems he's having Apr 27 16:55:22 http://pastebin.ca/999401 Apr 27 16:55:30 All my problems in a nutshell. Apr 27 16:55:31 I've not had any trouble with scratchbox and hardy (apart from the quickly debugged vdso and mmap problems) Apr 27 16:55:56 and "checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs." Apr 27 16:56:37 I'm not happy because I wanted it to work. I even made sure scratchbox was cleaned out properly and I've been through 12 installs. I'm not that desperate to use hardy. Apr 27 16:57:03 Gutsy was better IMHO. I'm just gonna reformat my Ubuntu and reinstall 7.10. Apr 27 16:57:37 qwerty: weird Apr 27 16:57:51 sb2 appears to work with 8.04 for me Apr 27 16:58:05 have not found any issues so far Apr 27 16:58:26 RST38h, My install got interrupted so I take blame for that but I removed all sb2 and it never worked again. But with sbox1, I thought no problem. Apr 27 17:00:31 This next install is gonna be make or break for me. if it works, great, if it doesn't, then I'm gonna grab OpenSuse. Never tried out SuSE before. Apr 27 17:01:12 I'll try a different approach in porting to 2.6.25 ;) Apr 27 17:01:26 apply incremental release patches on top of 2.6.21 Apr 27 17:01:59 but first, one try more at 2.6.25-omap1 Apr 27 17:02:59 I'd just apply the Nokia Patch on 2.6.25. Forget linux-omap. TI can't release open source stuff for shit. Apr 27 17:02:59 qwerty: before you scratch and reinstall the whole thing, could you try something quickly? Apr 27 17:03:14 RST38h, my scratchbox is gone but my ubuntu is still there :) Apr 27 17:04:09 qwerty: Good. Run the package manager (from the menu), do "Show installed packages", sort by decreasing size (click on size column) and see if there are any remains of sb or sb2 Apr 27 17:04:26 If you see any, mark them for complete uninstall (right-button menu) Apr 27 17:05:01 Ok, I'm in synaptic now and I'm searching. Apr 27 17:05:16 if you sort by size, all that crap will be at the top Apr 27 17:05:24 those packages are BIG Apr 27 17:06:13 I checked, everything scratchbox related is gone. Apr 27 17:06:16 Thanks anyway. Apr 27 17:06:25 all right, now... Apr 27 17:06:40 Go to http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html and follow instructions exactly, down to the letter Apr 27 17:06:49 Obviously, you want to install from the "hardy" repository Apr 27 17:08:11 Ok, I'm going through it now. I need to wait for maemo-sdk to finish. Apr 27 17:09:13 qwerty12: *if* it applies Apr 27 17:09:16 it probably won't Apr 27 17:09:36 I think it'll be easier to apply 2.6.21->2.6.25 on top of it than the other way around Apr 27 17:09:48 git will be able to follow history too Apr 27 17:09:51 AStorm, true. I usually apply patches by hand but that's near impossible with that Nokia patch. Apr 27 17:10:00 will be back in a while Apr 27 17:10:05 or even, try to diff linux-omap 2.6.21 vs that Nokia Apr 27 17:10:12 then apply that on top of 2.6.25-omap1 Apr 27 17:13:06 this kernel I'm trying is w/o hrtimers and dynticks Apr 27 17:18:58 RST38h, Thanks! SB2 works perfectly :) Apr 27 17:19:09 No idea what worked this time though :) Apr 27 17:19:14 hmm, no luck with 2.6.25-omap1 ;) Apr 27 17:19:17 Thanks for saving me from reformatting. Apr 27 17:19:46 AStorm, :(. That's a shame. I think your work with 2.6.25 has been great. Hopefully you shall get a working build :) Apr 27 17:23:30 qwerty12: well, I see what's wrong Apr 27 17:23:35 lm8323 is required Apr 27 17:23:40 but I didn't build that in Apr 27 17:23:50 N810 support for some reason doesn't select that Apr 27 17:24:11 Ah. Apr 27 17:24:27 still zilch Apr 27 17:24:27 Is this a N810 only thing? Apr 27 17:24:34 it's the keyboard Apr 27 17:25:07 I'll see what Nokia patch does. Apr 27 17:25:20 (vs 2.6.21-omap1) Apr 27 17:26:50 then see what is different vs 2.6.25-omap1 Apr 27 17:35:13 hmm, there are some touches of softlockup detector here and there Apr 27 17:35:18 minor MMC changes Apr 27 17:35:26 LZO support in JFFS2 Apr 27 17:37:31 shutdown support for mipid Apr 27 17:37:47 some major work on blizzard Apr 27 17:38:08 yes, different clock setup Apr 27 17:41:39 whos done an update ubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 and roughly how long should it take? Apr 27 17:41:56 lcuk, depends on your luck :-) Apr 27 17:42:01 depends on how much you have installed and the bandwidth to your local mirror Apr 27 17:42:13 (but mainly on system speed and the amount of software you have installed already and internet connectivity. and luck) Apr 27 17:42:24 took 2+ hours here with slowish downloads and lots and lots of packages to update. Downloaded and installed about 1GB Apr 27 17:42:52 its just taken 6 hours so far! reasonable network speed but crappy laptop Apr 27 17:43:07 just sitting their chewing through package install? Apr 27 17:43:11 yer Apr 27 17:43:16 what kind of laptop? Apr 27 17:43:23 crappy one? :-) Apr 27 17:43:24 p4 1.8 Apr 27 17:43:31 that's not too crappy. Apr 27 17:43:31 ah Apr 27 17:43:45 an early gen P4, yes? Apr 27 17:43:48 ok, fbmem sizes are different for some reason Apr 27 17:43:55 it is if im not sure cooling is working right - it could have overheated itself and clocked back Apr 27 17:43:56 that might be it Apr 27 17:43:59 static struct omap_fbmem_config n800_fbmem1_config __initdata = { Apr 27 17:43:59 - .size = 752 * 1024, Apr 27 17:43:59 + .size = 768 * 1024, Apr 27 17:43:59 }; Apr 27 17:44:03 lcuk, likely Apr 27 17:44:04 p4m Apr 27 17:44:09 mine does that all the time Apr 27 17:44:35 it hits 95C and goes into emergency throttling, basically it seems like the CPU only does work for about half of every second when that happens Apr 27 17:44:36 yer i had some fan setting i could enable but forgot and didnt wanna touch it once i started updating Apr 27 17:45:00 yer - i saw the original p4 vs amd cooling video toms hardware did a while ago Apr 27 17:45:11 lack of memory and slow disk might delay the process more than cpu power Apr 27 17:45:16 tbh, it was one of intels best days Apr 27 17:45:25 the P4? Apr 27 17:45:53 gah...Intel should never have released that chip Apr 27 17:46:07 not the chip, the thermal handling Apr 27 17:46:16 ah, well it really needed it Apr 27 17:46:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxNUK3U73SI Apr 27 17:46:25 and the athlons got it later Apr 27 17:46:41 very impressive to see - it forced amd to incroporate thermal shutoff Apr 27 17:46:45 but I do remember what happens to an early athlon if you rip off the heatsink while it's running Apr 27 17:47:41 lcuk, try running acpi -t to see what your current CPU temp is Apr 27 17:47:43 music is from the best amiga game ever: project x Apr 27 17:48:29 i will once its finished updating, whilst ive been chattin its gone to removing obsolete packages Apr 27 17:48:32 the major diff is N810 support, that is missing in linux-omap Apr 27 17:48:41 lotus Apr 27 17:48:42 I'll check that part vs newer kernel Apr 27 17:48:46 lcuk, ah, never mind. it's almost done then Apr 27 17:48:48 which has it Apr 27 17:48:57 NullM0dem, ok they were good as well Apr 27 17:48:57 qwerty: apparently, instructions worked :) Apr 27 17:49:06 I was only curious to see whether it was hitting thermal shutdown or just ungodly slow Apr 27 17:49:21 I have over 200 maiga games Apr 27 17:49:24 amiga Apr 27 17:49:46 i used to have lots as well, but sold them in local paper when my rig died Apr 27 17:49:49 RST38h: Yep, thanks :). I think it didn't like sbox 1 being installed too. Apr 27 17:49:58 hrmmm amiga emualtor port for the n810???? Apr 27 17:50:03 its coming Apr 27 17:50:30 see pupnik Apr 27 17:50:54 I did the same... my little brother found over 300 apps and all of the kick starts somehwere for me Apr 27 17:51:00 actually, amiga games, pinball dreams/illusions was good Apr 27 17:51:48 yep, way ahead of the time Apr 27 17:52:13 this n810 reminds me so much of my amiga :) Apr 27 17:52:58 im coding in c, i can do what i want, theres no wincrap in the way, and theres custom coprocessors available Apr 27 17:52:59 lol Apr 27 17:53:07 yep Apr 27 17:53:35 ..and the assembly looks right Apr 27 17:53:37 I canwait to get mine and start coding for it Apr 27 17:54:02 right, tea just cooked, back later Apr 27 17:54:03 http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2543/fatddhurek3iy3.jpg Apr 27 17:54:03 http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2076/fatddhurek2qc1.jpg Apr 27 17:54:06 i have not touched assbmly since the c-128 / amiga 1200 Apr 27 17:54:17 spam? Apr 27 17:54:35 ya' think? Apr 27 17:54:37 :) Apr 27 17:54:40 yep porn >.< Apr 27 17:54:57 Hehe, i had a no shit sherlock moment :p Apr 27 17:55:15 I thought it was a n810 video skype screenie :-P Apr 27 17:55:48 its kinda a lame crossover between bart eat my shorts moment and attempting to do goatse Apr 27 17:56:08 how many people have op privs? Apr 27 17:56:15 ops set topic is off Apr 27 17:56:20 sigh, the amount of goatse's I brought up in school... Apr 27 17:56:31 right back later Apr 27 17:56:45 ha!1 later!!! Apr 27 17:58:17 * johnx sleeps Apr 27 17:58:56 sb2 is great and I love it but I kinda like the seperation of host in sb1, I'm gonna install sb1 as well and wait till it fails and extract sb from scratchbox image. Nautillus has merge feature now :) Apr 27 17:59:03 Nite johnx Apr 27 17:59:09 'night Apr 27 17:59:47 lcuk: I miss that era, OSS has brought it back in alot of ways. I stopped coding in the middle of high school and did not buy a PC until 2000. Was soo dissapointed in MS crap, and the amount of money you had to pay to do anything with it Apr 27 17:59:51 s/scratchbox/vmware Apr 27 18:13:09 NullM0dem :) i agree. however i didnt stop coding i just took methadone and used vb for a few years Apr 27 18:35:53 hi everyone, i dont know exactly what i did, but when i try to execute the start script, bash says 'not found'. Apr 27 18:35:53 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start Apr 27 18:35:54 bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found Apr 27 18:52:21 flavioribeiro, do you wanna try opening a default console and using find or locate to see where the actual scripts are Apr 27 18:52:39 ok, let me do this Apr 27 18:53:05 [flavio@taz ~]$ locate af-sb-init.sh Apr 27 18:53:16 scratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh Apr 27 18:53:18 hehehe Apr 27 18:54:08 does it run? Apr 27 18:54:20 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /scratchbox/users/flavio/targets/CHINOOK_X86/usr/bin] > ./af-sb-init.sh start Apr 27 18:54:20 ./af-sb-init.sh: Error, /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh does not exist or is not readable Apr 27 18:54:35 ive got 1 script per target but i only ever run it from within the scratchbox console - i never have to specify path Apr 27 18:55:29 lcuk: same here Apr 27 18:56:10 flavioribeiro: Why are you in armel target and running x86 script? Apr 27 18:56:13 flavioribeiro, is there a possibility you have run sb-menu and disabled a target Apr 27 18:56:22 everything was ok, i dont know what i may changed in sb-menu.. Apr 27 18:56:34 were you in there though? Apr 27 18:57:06 flavioribeiro: did you install maemo-explicit? Apr 27 18:57:44 not that i remember.. Apr 27 18:58:07 try installing that ;) Apr 27 18:59:00 flavioribeiro, before trying anything drastic, have you attempted the windows approach: rebooting Apr 27 18:59:40 maemo-explicit is needed, even the installing script tells u to install it. Apr 27 19:00:25 i think that i made 'killall' in sb-menu and 'reset' armel target Apr 27 19:00:47 qwerty12_N800, but it was running before Apr 27 19:01:12 lcuk: ahh, that is odd :/ Apr 27 19:01:39 or at least i think so - flavioribeiro it was working earlier wasnt it Apr 27 19:01:51 or at least not giving this script missing error Apr 27 19:01:53 yes, everything was fine Apr 27 19:02:09 i made some crazy modifications by my own in sb-menu Apr 27 19:02:17 and now i cant run this script Apr 27 19:02:51 See if you can extract script manually from rootstrap in ~ Apr 27 19:03:26 if you have reset the target don't you have to re-put it in ? Apr 27 19:04:16 lcuk, in 'Select' sb-menu? i tried so Apr 27 19:05:47 select just selects from one of the existing instances Apr 27 19:06:03 if you reset a target it cleans out the full lot allowing you to recreate properly Apr 27 19:06:09 you need the toolchain for it i believe Apr 27 19:06:13 (i might be wrong) Apr 27 19:06:35 so if you selected a "reset" target there are no files there to compile with Apr 27 19:06:48 yes Apr 27 19:07:31 as for where and how to actually get the files i really have no idea - ive never even installed scratchbox myself - i use the vmware one still Apr 27 19:08:12 hm Apr 27 19:08:28 i think i will install in vmware Apr 27 19:08:34 lol Apr 27 19:09:13 qwerty111_N800, have you ever reset a target? how do you rebuild its toolchain Apr 27 19:09:58 lcuk: never. I've always reinstalled :/ Apr 27 19:10:55 ahhh Apr 27 19:11:47 Because of my hardy probs, I'm about to try the oddest install method :/ Apr 27 19:12:18 viagra help much? Apr 27 19:12:47 lmao, Ubuntu hardy :D Apr 27 19:13:10 you get a stiffy from linux? Apr 27 19:14:02 sometimes... I installed special usb modules so my computer hosts and is a "client" Apr 27 19:14:20 heh Apr 27 19:14:29 downloading maemo-sdk-vm-2 by torrent hehe :] Apr 27 19:14:34 flavioribeiro, is all this your first experience with scratchbox Apr 27 19:15:21 lcuk: I think me and hardy are gonna split. me and gutsy got on great. I could use her for hours. Apr 27 19:16:19 * towo raises an eyebrow Apr 27 19:16:40 well i will find out sometime in the next couple of weeks whether i will keep 8.4, its on laptop now but if i have probs ill rollback to windows and vmware.. Apr 27 19:16:57 towo: Nah, I never went that far with gutsy Apr 27 19:17:17 towo, make sure that eyebrow doesn't attract qwerty111_N800's attention, hes like a dog on heat at the moment Apr 27 19:17:40 I never liked vmware, integration was odd with my host. Apr 27 19:17:56 lcuk: it was your viagra talk :p Apr 27 19:18:02 lcuk: You may call me Quietly Confident. Apr 27 19:18:06 yer but you kept it up Apr 27 19:18:24 fair enough. but you liked u Apr 27 19:18:32 it ;) :p Apr 27 19:18:32 time constraints, ive got 2 weeks before i go on holiday - when i get back ive gotta have a working machine for linuxtag Apr 27 19:19:17 actually, i think it would be wise to NOT have windows at all near my machine at linuxtag - even if i just boot from it - i'd get mobbed Apr 27 19:19:31 boooooo Apr 27 19:20:17 for weirdness, use vmware in linux to run linux :p Apr 27 19:20:48 nahhh, ill just get this working Apr 27 19:21:07 i am a jedi. i can build my own machine Apr 27 19:21:26 (i have my jedi robe from fancy dress party earlier in the year) Apr 27 19:21:34 (also home made) Apr 27 19:21:35 good choice. I need to fire up vmware to jack the scratchbox from it Apr 27 19:21:38 Morning, all Apr 27 19:21:52 morning jaffa Apr 27 19:21:58 now it's my turn to raise eyebrows Apr 27 19:22:00 * lcuk looks at the clock Apr 27 19:22:05 Jaffa: morning? Apr 27 19:22:17 Well, somewhere it is. Apr 27 19:22:19 evening Jaffa ;) :) Apr 27 19:22:50 jaffa, would you mind if i called you a pillock :P Apr 27 19:23:06 Not at all, nicest thing someone'll've said to me all day ;-) Apr 27 19:23:26 especially since you only just got up :P Apr 27 19:23:58 Nah, just wish I had. Grandparent's diamond wedding anniversary surprise meal last night. Still feeling a little hungover after a mammoth drive around the country Apr 27 19:24:33 Any good disassemblers here? Garnet's gonna need cracking soon :p Apr 27 19:25:38 Oh, FFS. Apr 27 19:25:44 navi, good job it wasnt "SecretIdentity" Apr 27 19:25:51 FF3 is blocked from NatWest's online banking. Apr 27 19:25:59 cos its beta Apr 27 19:26:09 and not a known browser Apr 27 19:26:19 agent spoof muhahaha Apr 27 19:26:21 No, cos they're crap and do prohibitive browser detection. Apr 27 19:26:31 Also a pain when trying to do online banking from N810 :-/ Apr 27 19:26:33 use proper legit secure tested browser : internet explorer is the way to go Apr 27 19:26:40 Bleugh ;) Apr 27 19:26:52 lcuk 0_0 Apr 27 19:27:34 what, come on im only voicing what everyone thought when jaffa said that. we know Microsoft technology is unbreakable. Apr 27 19:27:52 ;) Apr 27 19:28:20 I hope, for your own safety, you don't voice that at linuxtag. Apr 27 19:28:25 :p Apr 27 19:28:31 (Score +5: flamebait) Apr 27 19:29:23 arent paypal gonna do something similar as well soon Apr 27 19:29:41 They've denied it Apr 27 19:30:30 i'd just agent spoof, if my money transfer to 99p stores fails for my chains, that's life. Apr 27 19:32:07 but you will be gutted if your chemist order for p1llz is blocked Apr 27 19:32:23 Don't need them ;) Apr 27 19:32:44 :D you must be like me then - buy in bulk Apr 27 19:33:33 lol, I think out of date ones work the best... Apr 27 19:34:22 bleugh - that reminds me of the nite i spent drinking out of date bud and using a soda stream to make everything fizzy Apr 27 19:34:34 fizzy milk!!!! Apr 27 19:34:39 eew Apr 27 19:35:04 vodka is odd fizzy Apr 27 19:35:09 I once put tabasco sauce into coke, knocked me back Apr 27 19:36:32 yoiu need to offer that to mates Apr 27 19:36:35 I think we used to have a sodastream in my times up north. Apr 27 19:37:15 lcuk: Best time is when my mate gave another mate a shaken coke can Apr 27 19:37:45 get a set of shotglasses, each with normal coke and just one extra version - russian ruellette Apr 27 19:38:16 nice Apr 27 19:38:18 a shaken can is worst? jeeez you are just highlighting that you're a southern jessie Apr 27 19:38:32 :P Apr 27 19:39:15 lcuk: dirty south come merk the north, manchester = wussies. london = g's Apr 27 19:39:17 :p Apr 27 19:39:51 qwerty111_N800: you're on your N800 right now? Apr 27 19:39:51 Funny thing, I'm betraying myself saying that :p Apr 27 19:40:00 WorkingOnWise: Yes Apr 27 19:40:14 what r u using for an irc client? Apr 27 19:40:20 Xchat Apr 27 19:40:39 didnt know it was available for the N800 Apr 27 19:40:57 do you like it better than pidgin on the n800 for irc? Apr 27 19:41:04 I built weechat, irssi and bitchx tho and pidgin and rtcomm beta do irc too Apr 27 19:41:14 WorkingOnWise: fo sure :p Apr 27 19:41:42 qwerty111_N800, have you tried actual ondevice compiling? Apr 27 19:41:59 I must try it. pidgin takes too much screen realestate Apr 27 19:42:23 lcuk: nope. I don't have the space and my n800 is allergic to mmc boot :/ Apr 27 19:42:40 I think I damaged my sd slots a bit. Apr 27 19:43:15 oooer Apr 27 19:43:18 Sustained writes to the mem cards (3mb over gnutella) = i/o error Apr 27 19:43:38 It's why I went earlier, my n800 rebooted. Apr 27 19:43:43 is there a way to hack the cam and install a better one, and keep the nifty pop-out? Apr 27 19:45:27 I want to build aleph one but after specifying --no-opengl, it complains with a million gl references :/ Apr 27 19:45:32 hm how exactly do you use gps on the n810? I just picked up a use one but not sure how to really use it Apr 27 19:45:43 I'm trying to do it in maemo mapper Apr 27 19:46:05 I think choose bluetooth with no address. Apr 27 19:46:17 Beware of long gps lock time. Apr 27 19:46:45 ah thanks Apr 27 19:46:50 it's doing something now lol Apr 27 19:46:56 establishing gps fix Apr 27 19:47:19 Estimated time = 1 hour :p Apr 27 19:47:24 lol Apr 27 19:47:27 is it really? Apr 27 19:47:32 Please wait whilst we build a rocket, insert gps sat, enter orbit, construct base station, upload sync, write software Apr 27 19:47:39 Paid $180 for an n810 =) Apr 27 19:47:46 nice Apr 27 19:47:49 indeed Apr 27 19:47:52 plb, give or take half-hour :p Apr 27 19:47:57 lol Apr 27 19:48:01 Nice :) Apr 27 19:48:07 So what are some good applications to use with it Apr 27 19:48:19 numptyphysics Apr 27 19:48:25 what's that? Apr 27 19:48:45 doodlging game Apr 27 19:48:47 time wasting Apr 27 19:48:54 oh ya n810 + 2gb memory card rather ;] Apr 27 19:49:03 ah Apr 27 19:49:11 even bigger bonus Apr 27 19:49:14 Evince, gtk-gnutella, transmission, personal menu, xournal Apr 27 19:49:25 have you got any other nokia tablets Apr 27 19:49:30 nope Apr 27 19:49:34 mplayer, Apr 27 19:49:40 quake 2 Apr 27 19:50:04 hm irc client? Apr 27 19:50:09 xchat Apr 27 19:50:11 xchat Apr 27 19:50:14 nice Apr 27 19:50:26 are you a linux user? Apr 27 19:50:29 yep Apr 27 19:50:32 since 1999 ;] Apr 27 19:50:40 Or if console is your thing, bitchx, weechat or irssi. Apr 27 19:50:42 then you will enjoy hacking about and getting other things working as well Apr 27 19:50:58 mm irssi ;] Apr 27 19:51:02 my personal fav Apr 27 19:51:50 Quite a few builds. There is latest user release available or the svn one I built. Apr 27 19:53:12 is there a decent app for youtube videos? my gf enjoys watching em ;] Apr 27 19:53:21 mytube & canola Apr 27 19:53:28 /or Apr 27 19:53:34 pib - where did you get your N810? any more? For that price I'd buy it and see if I can swap displays to my N800 Apr 27 19:53:48 I got it off someone on craigslist Apr 27 19:53:53 WorkingOnWise: Different connectors. Apr 27 19:54:32 qwerty111_N800: is it a plastic/foil cable, or actual wires? Apr 27 19:55:14 strange there is no clock in the panel by default Apr 27 19:55:23 I think the actual connector is different + extra wire. I think igor on itt posted pics. Apr 27 19:55:50 plb: For my w810 and n800, I had to install stuff :/ Apr 27 19:56:25 Yeah, I'm looking at maemo.org for stuff to install Apr 27 19:56:32 while gps is loading lol Apr 27 19:57:00 qwerty111_N800: I'll look for it again. The n800 would be the perfect hardware if it had the transflective display Apr 27 19:57:28 I don't know if it's on there but you wan't [large] statusbar clock by fiferboy. Apr 27 19:57:40 WorkingOnWise: True :) + keyboard. Apr 27 19:57:56 I need to get usb keyboard. Apr 27 19:58:23 i like the keyboard on the n810 Apr 27 19:58:27 works good Apr 27 19:58:55 I dont type any faster with a keyboard than with the onscreen one. :D Apr 27 19:58:58 I can chvt to 1 and see the getty login screen but without kbbd, I can't go far :/ Apr 27 19:59:12 WorkingOnWise: My wrists hurt lol Apr 27 19:59:19 lol Apr 27 19:59:52 has there been any word on a2dp working out of the box with the next update? Apr 27 20:01:04 I don't think it will :/ . lardman|gone was looking for a few devs for help with sbc on dsp Apr 27 20:02:43 grrr....I dond understand why my lowly 6555 phone does it with perfect clearity, but my hotrod N800 can only do it marginally, in some apps, with garbage sound quality..... Apr 27 20:02:51 dont=dont Apr 27 20:03:12 lol..dond=dont...see my great typing skills! Apr 27 20:04:09 Yeah :(, I don't understand, bluez is oss but I think dsp may be closed. Apr 27 20:04:31 I'm enjoying better wifi signal today. Apr 27 20:05:08 are there any really really small gps recievers that work with the N800? Apr 27 20:05:20 qwerty111_N800, you nick is qwerty12 in forum ITT ? Apr 27 20:05:34 lopz: yes Apr 27 20:05:42 I want to put one in the dead space near the pen inside the n800 Apr 27 20:06:23 Woah, they get that small? :/ Apr 27 20:06:24 qwerty111_N800, use rp-pppoe for conexion ? Apr 27 20:06:37 I'm hoping so Apr 27 20:06:58 I know that usb bluetooth adapters are Apr 27 20:07:08 lopz: nope. I just compiled incase someone wanted it. Apr 27 20:07:39 WorkingOnWise: But wouldn't gps have gps chip and the bt chips too? Apr 27 20:08:16 The "keychain" gps I saw on itt, wasn't exactly minuscule... Apr 27 20:08:44 it would, unless it's a usb. I would hardwire it into the n800 Apr 27 20:08:50 internally Apr 27 20:10:15 ic. Probably get better performance than the n810 :p Apr 27 20:10:43 Although according to Mara, Diablo improves n810 gps. Apr 27 20:11:15 qwerty111_N800, i use rp-pppoe, I could compile it for me? which is in the forum said: inconsistent application: ( Apr 27 20:13:01 gps is still establishing fix... Apr 27 20:13:04 =\ Apr 27 20:13:09 slowwwwwww Apr 27 20:13:20 lopz: I'm sorry, I don't really understand :/ . I compiled one and posted the deb in itt but I never tested it. Apr 27 20:16:45 qwerty111_N800, as I pack for use in my N800 and that is compatible? :\ Apr 27 20:17:07 I need to use :P Apr 27 20:18:23 In theory, it should install. If some files are missing however, you may need to grab from source. Apr 27 20:18:48 Best thing is to try it. Apr 27 20:19:02 It's the only one there :p Apr 27 20:22:47 qwerty111_N800, hehe, I was not a pack. deb: S packed lunches for the N800? I want to learn Apr 27 20:25:29 oh you want to make debs? easiest way is with pypackager. But I use dh-make in sbox. I'm also bad at it. Apr 27 20:33:24 where can I get xchat or irssi from? Apr 27 20:33:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19407 Apr 27 20:34:05 google xchat chinook Apr 27 20:34:07 thanks Apr 27 20:36:06 qwerty111_N800, but it is possible to connect with rp-pppoe from N800? : S Apr 27 20:36:06 or can only be a wifi Apr 27 20:36:27 plb: check if you have old version of gpsd Apr 27 20:36:36 if it has -23 then it's old and bugged Apr 27 20:36:44 is there any documentation about putting python on the n800? Apr 27 20:36:56 adam_: just install canola2 Apr 27 20:37:01 it will suck python as deps Apr 27 20:37:01 nice Apr 27 20:37:25 lopz: I have no idea! :p. If you get usb host, it *may* work. Apr 27 20:37:28 (or any other app that uses python) Apr 27 20:37:51 KotCzarny: hi Apr 27 20:37:51 any good apps for editing python script for maemo? Apr 27 20:37:58 hi, hi Apr 27 20:38:02 like idle... Apr 27 20:39:03 * Cptnodegard is back from Superhero Movie. it was....speshul Apr 27 20:39:06 really just anything that has syntax highlighting Apr 27 20:39:16 mc, hehe Apr 27 20:39:23 but i think you should try pygtkedit Apr 27 20:39:26 or something Apr 27 20:47:06 KotCzarny: gpsd? Apr 27 20:47:24 gps dawg Apr 27 20:47:28 yeah, name may be a little different Apr 27 20:47:28 heh Apr 27 20:47:48 I just flashed os2008 on it so whatever it came with... Apr 27 20:47:55 osso-gpsd Apr 27 20:48:26 I don't think there was an update except that fluke leap year patch? Apr 27 20:48:56 qwerty12: according to itt thread stock 810 come with -23 version (old, bugged) Apr 27 20:49:03 and -25 is in the official repos Apr 27 20:49:15 ahh, ic Apr 27 20:49:23 hm I don't see it anywhere...osso-gpsd Apr 27 20:49:40 You have to be in red-pill Apr 27 20:50:15 huh? Apr 27 20:50:57 then just ignore my comment for a few week Apr 27 20:50:58 s Apr 27 20:50:59 :) Apr 27 20:51:18 until you have fun with device and decide to go adventurous with it :) Apr 27 20:52:04 I'm all for being adventous but I dunno what you're talking about lol Apr 27 20:52:41 google, google :) Apr 27 20:52:43 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.org%2Fcommunity%2Fwiki%2Fapplicationmanagerredpillmode%2F&ei=jecUSOfrBKKEwAH8xfBh&usg=AFQjCNEtMG0THc60ujjIw1Brc3NwCwi1kg&sig2=hYeI7naXwzhZtiEWRc_T0w Apr 27 20:52:54 qwerty12 .. Apr 27 20:52:55 :) Apr 27 20:53:23 I really need to get google link tracking removal script >.< Apr 27 20:53:45 I'm just trying to set this thing up with everything useful I can think of ;] Apr 27 20:55:31 Canola any good? Apr 27 20:55:41 yup, candylike Apr 27 20:56:38 dammit Apr 27 20:56:52 even linux-omap guys are saying N810 isn't yet supported ;P Apr 27 20:57:38 n800 ftw :p. Nokia patch seems way to go :/ Apr 27 20:58:27 no, I don't want that one Apr 27 20:58:30 it ties hands Apr 27 20:58:56 Hell, I may try myself. I may spend a looot of time applying patch by hand to .25 Apr 27 21:01:37 Does anyone know if latest Chrony lets you use ntp servers by name? I'm looking at version that needs ip address, if latest can use website address, I'll compile that. Apr 27 21:02:04 huh Apr 27 21:02:11 seems like a oneliner patch Apr 27 21:02:11 :) Apr 27 21:02:14 hm there should be an option for canola most viewed for today/week/all time Apr 27 21:02:20 unless I'm missing it somewhere? Apr 27 21:02:22 for youtube Apr 27 21:02:36 plb: canola specific questions should go to #canola i think Apr 27 21:02:54 they live on brazilian time though Apr 27 21:03:06 ah didn't know they had a channel Apr 27 21:06:40 heh, something for pupnik, and maybe other geeks too: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3009 Apr 27 21:06:41 :> Apr 27 21:12:01 * qwerty12_N800 tries out chrony on my n800. I see newer builds are available so i'll probably end up compiling after I fix sbox. Apr 27 21:12:49 qwerty12_N800: can't you just use ntpdate? Apr 27 21:13:37 I currently use rdate but I like the idea of a daemon for the times I forget. Apr 27 21:15:08 heh.. Apr 27 21:15:09 cron Apr 27 21:16:13 Not a bad idea but I don't think my cron works, it never calls updatdb even though it's set to. Apr 27 21:18:20 maybe path is wrong? Apr 27 21:18:21 :) Apr 27 21:18:45 You need absolute path in crontab? :) Apr 27 21:18:49 yes Apr 27 21:19:39 >.<. Like sudoers, then. I remember the time I messed it up... Apr 27 21:22:25 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2974 Apr 27 21:22:26 lol Apr 27 21:22:55 I saw that on digg lol Apr 27 21:25:00 free lulz, yeah! Apr 27 21:26:41 if qwerty12 had/modded a car: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2956 Apr 27 21:26:43 ;) Apr 27 21:27:17 lol Apr 27 21:29:13 hmm, is omweather upd8 out for anyone else? Apr 27 21:32:00 is there a default user pass. for the terminal? Apr 27 21:32:06 nope Apr 27 21:32:27 so why does sudo ask for a password? Apr 27 21:32:44 maybe you try to do something not allowed Apr 27 21:32:45 :) Apr 27 21:33:08 im trying to apt get python2.5 Apr 27 21:33:12 sudo apt-get install xxx Apr 27 21:33:23 sudo: enter card no Apr 27 21:33:25 heh, have you tried my hint? Apr 27 21:33:53 qwert12: lol, sudo paid with credit card? Apr 27 21:34:10 now that's somthing very possible in the future ;) Apr 27 21:34:20 if only... :p Apr 27 21:35:02 adam_: install easyroot or becomeroot and do sudo gainroot Apr 27 21:37:16 for people who share comp with family: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2925 Apr 27 21:37:16 ;) Apr 27 21:39:03 hm vagalume is <3 Apr 27 21:39:12 should be in the repos Apr 27 21:39:46 you can also use last.fm via canola plug-in Apr 27 21:42:17 ya but I don't like how canola has to be full screen Apr 27 21:42:26 * plb hates fullscreen Apr 27 21:42:33 ah Apr 27 21:42:41 unfortunatelly most of the apps go (nearly)fullscreen on maemo Apr 27 21:42:45 you can try xmms Apr 27 21:42:46 :> Apr 27 21:43:01 lol Apr 27 21:43:43 xmms is the turd that wouldn't flush lol Apr 27 21:43:48 thing will never die Apr 27 21:43:55 ;) Apr 27 21:44:02 damnit Apr 27 21:44:05 I liked it years ago Apr 27 21:44:07 yeah, but at least does what i want it to Apr 27 21:44:09 I need to get debug out of the device Apr 27 21:44:11 but now...meh Apr 27 21:44:23 but I don't have serial port here or soldered to the board Apr 27 21:44:26 any solution? Apr 27 21:44:40 writing to mmc ? Apr 27 21:44:42 netconsole doesn't work on gadget USB it seems Apr 27 21:44:49 and recovering via usb ? Apr 27 21:44:58 KotCzarny: hmm, it doesn't boot that far I think Apr 27 21:45:16 can't you printk to block device? Apr 27 21:45:19 or something? Apr 27 21:45:21 maybe I can Apr 27 21:45:28 but do I have any to print to? ; Apr 27 21:45:39 mmcblock0/1 ? Apr 27 21:45:40 :) Apr 27 21:45:46 yeah sure Apr 27 21:45:52 and overwrite everything? Apr 27 21:46:06 you haven't received free 128mb card? Apr 27 21:46:12 with the device Apr 27 21:46:36 ... Apr 27 21:46:37 N810 Apr 27 21:46:45 but, I do have a spare card, wait Apr 27 21:46:52 in a while Apr 27 21:46:52 hmm, is repo.maemo.org down? Apr 27 21:47:04 KotCzarny: what's that option called btw? Apr 27 21:47:07 qwerty12: i have mirrored whole repository Apr 27 21:47:07 n810 is so much better than the ipod touch which is what I sold to get the money for the n810 ;] Apr 27 21:47:17 astorm: just guessing, never tried Apr 27 21:47:20 can't do shit on the ipod touch Apr 27 21:47:34 KotCzarny: Good plan Apr 27 21:47:37 plb: well, you can shit on ipod touch Apr 27 21:47:38 :) Apr 27 21:47:42 lol Apr 27 21:47:50 well it's good for web browsing I guess Apr 27 21:47:53 and youtube Apr 27 21:47:57 at 320x240 ? Apr 27 21:48:01 youtube player is pretty good Apr 27 21:48:02 you are kidding Apr 27 21:48:03 :) Apr 27 21:48:28 movement is fluid too Apr 27 21:48:29 even 800x480 seems cramped Apr 27 21:48:41 everything is just so restrictive on it Apr 27 21:48:54 like everything apple i spose though heh Apr 27 21:49:47 :) Apr 27 21:49:50 KotCzarny: ttyMTD? Apr 27 21:50:10 ah, wait Apr 27 21:50:18 MMC is not MTD, is it? Apr 27 21:50:37 nope Apr 27 21:50:45 is there an emulation driver ? Apr 27 21:51:27 be careful with mtd, one guy killed bootloader writing to /dev/mtd by accident. Apr 27 21:52:03 heh, not fun Apr 27 21:52:04 :) Apr 27 21:52:28 hm where can I find a clock for the panel? Apr 27 21:52:46 bye Apr 27 21:53:02 plb: look for statusbar clock applet Apr 27 21:53:04 i love it Apr 27 21:53:07 bye qwerty Apr 27 21:53:11 thanks Apr 27 21:53:25 (if I disconnect suddenly, my sis might off router) Apr 27 21:53:27 :) Apr 27 21:53:42 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ Apr 27 21:53:43 ? Apr 27 21:53:44 that Apr 27 21:53:51 it will work with os2008? Apr 27 21:55:00 qwerty12_N800: I can reflash the bootloader from original image I think Apr 27 21:55:44 but I wouldn't be able to get at the data Apr 27 21:55:53 I could probably write to initfs partition safely Apr 27 21:56:12 and tack some light initfs to a working kernel Apr 27 21:56:17 to recover the data Apr 27 21:56:34 that was MTD4, right? Apr 27 21:59:21 mtd4 is rootfs, isn't it? Apr 27 21:59:43 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014&highlight=statusbar+clock&page=47 Apr 27 21:59:48 mtd1 - nolo, mtd2 - kernel, mtd3 - initfs Apr 27 21:59:53 which clocks are they using in those screenshots? anyone know Apr 27 21:59:59 ahha, ok Apr 27 22:00:09 is that the statusbar clock applet? Apr 27 22:00:12 now, that would be a nasty booboo ;) Apr 27 22:00:20 *would've been Apr 27 22:00:24 plb: yes Apr 27 22:00:49 it says it's for os2007 though...it will work with 08? Apr 27 22:01:06 plb: there is a version for OS2008 Apr 27 22:01:11 in garage Apr 27 22:01:15 ah Apr 27 22:01:28 works nicely Apr 27 22:01:39 essential for me Apr 27 22:02:28 yep, although I'd like a fullscreen clock screensaver Apr 27 22:02:42 no you don't Apr 27 22:02:43 :) Apr 27 22:02:57 high contrast, very low screen brightness Apr 27 22:03:02 as in =0 Apr 27 22:03:12 white on black Apr 27 22:04:20 ok, it seems that ttyMTD3 write worked, let's read it Apr 27 22:06:28 i can give you ncurses based clock, so you can run it in some *term :) Apr 27 22:08:26 I wanted a screensaver ;) Apr 27 22:08:34 not a runnable clock Apr 27 22:08:42 there is one like that already ;) Apr 27 22:09:26 damnit, have to add a script to display that ttyMTD ;P Apr 27 22:09:42 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbarclock/ Apr 27 22:09:50 this is the one for os2008 you guys are talking about? Apr 27 22:10:09 yes Apr 27 22:10:35 hm seems to only disply the minutes and AM/PM Apr 27 22:10:42 not the hour Apr 27 22:11:01 look into the configuration Apr 27 22:11:12 and disable some applets Apr 27 22:11:14 ah nm Apr 27 22:11:14 ya Apr 27 22:11:15 plb: indeed, check Panel config Apr 27 22:11:16 found it lol Apr 27 22:14:24 ah that's better Apr 27 22:15:06 bomberman heh I used to play that ...;] how's the maemo port? Apr 27 22:18:11 damnit Apr 27 22:18:22 that mtd support hasn't written anything Apr 27 22:20:43 damnIT ;) Apr 27 22:20:48 ok, time for plan B Apr 27 22:21:28 or even Apr 27 22:21:31 damNIT Apr 27 22:31:18 lets see how well will git cope with that merge ;) Apr 27 22:33:38 not that badly Apr 27 22:34:14 although it's still 152 files to check Apr 27 22:36:49 mhm, it's supposed to be vs 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 Apr 27 22:36:51 the patch Apr 27 22:37:46 numptyphysics is indeed awesome ;] Apr 27 22:39:37 I mean, the patch should be 2.6.23-rc3-omap1 with some major hack Apr 27 22:39:44 2.6.21-rc3-omap1 duh Apr 27 22:43:43 I'll better do step-by-step merge instead of 2.6.25 in one go ;P Apr 27 22:49:08 argh Apr 27 22:49:14 I sense porting to clockevents Apr 27 22:49:33 at least dynticks is in .21 already :) Apr 27 22:50:04 but not clockevents, and that's a fairly major port Apr 27 22:51:04 btw. have you managed to run that p54 driver? Apr 27 22:51:48 no, it is impossible, there is an unfinished devel patch Apr 27 22:52:51 huh Apr 27 22:52:53 pity Apr 27 22:53:36 well, omap1 clockevent port was very easy, so I hope omap2 will be similarly easy to port :> Apr 27 22:59:19 so far, the rejects vs 2.6.22 are trivial Apr 27 23:01:40 hmm Apr 27 23:10:09 yes, apart from (fairly trivial) clockevents port, there isn't much to fix Apr 27 23:18:46 I just searched the backlogs for "kismet". Apparently theres at least one request per day for kismet for 2008 :D Apr 27 23:21:10 by the way I just got a n800 a few days ago. For about 150 pounds Apr 27 23:22:45 pounds of what? ;) Apr 27 23:22:52 should've bought in the US Apr 27 23:22:57 and get it cheaper Apr 27 23:23:07 150 pounds of feathers Apr 27 23:23:14 of fathers Apr 27 23:23:27 fat hers Apr 27 23:24:36 hmm, the port will be complicated by moves in mmc Apr 27 23:24:36 ;) Apr 27 23:24:36 ok, bad joke Apr 27 23:25:06 I'll have to merge that part by hand ;P Apr 27 23:25:40 for some reason, git didn't detect the move Apr 27 23:53:32 technology sucks Apr 27 23:53:46 just spend a couple of hours reflashing and reinstalling apps to my Nokia, to "fix" a problem with it not displaying webpages Apr 27 23:53:46 yes, sucks energy Apr 27 23:53:58 only to find that it was my router that needed restarting grrrr Apr 27 23:54:04 hehe Apr 27 23:54:18 then it's not technology but diagnosis Apr 27 23:54:19 ;) Apr 27 23:54:26 aah maybe Apr 27 23:56:41 Atarii: I sense a PEBKAC Apr 27 23:56:43 and sucky router Apr 27 23:56:48 PEBKAC? Apr 27 23:58:06 i agree its a sucky router, some brainbox decided to get rid of the nice linksys we had :S Apr 27 23:58:34 ~acronym PEBKAC Apr 27 23:58:41 infobot: grrrr! Apr 27 23:58:56 KotCzarny: does it have such a plugin? Apr 27 23:59:04 don't know Apr 27 23:59:08 PEBKAC is an acronym which stands for "Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair" Apr 27 23:59:09 aha Apr 27 23:59:10 it's not mine Apr 27 23:59:11 :) Apr 27 23:59:17 atarii: we know that Apr 27 23:59:18 :) Apr 27 23:59:21 i didnt Apr 27 23:59:30 now you do too Apr 27 23:59:33 :p Apr 28 00:00:58 * KotCzarny sniffs Apr 28 00:01:03 i should take a shower Apr 28 00:01:10 i hate being ill Apr 28 00:19:36 how can you edit the menu? I uninstalled something but it left the menu entry Apr 28 00:20:29 control panel > panels Apr 28 00:21:08 then click "organise" Apr 28 00:21:33 hm Apr 28 00:21:38 says unable to remove applications Apr 28 00:29:03 installed and uninstalled again and it's still there Apr 28 00:33:43 morning Apr 28 00:33:55 night? ;) Apr 28 00:34:03 ~morning Apr 28 00:34:04 Good morning! Apr 28 00:34:11 not here Apr 28 00:34:15 lack ibot Apr 28 00:34:23 ~ugt Apr 28 00:34:24 from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Apr 28 00:34:34 that was what I mean ;) Apr 28 00:34:39 blah blah blah ;P Apr 28 00:34:40 AStorm: 02:42 here too Apr 28 00:34:45 ;) Apr 28 00:35:02 hrw: have you tried to build 2.6.xx-omap from linux-omap tree? Apr 28 00:35:03 or rather 02:34 as this server has wrong date a bit Apr 28 00:35:07 doesn't seem to work with n810 Apr 28 00:35:09 at all Apr 28 00:35:13 AStorm: not for n8x0 Apr 28 00:35:43 AStorm: I lack time for such playing - daughter takes most of free time Apr 28 00:35:50 mhm Apr 28 00:35:57 they know how to do that ;P Apr 28 00:35:58 AStorm: I did not even had a time to check your keymap ;( Apr 28 00:36:10 she is 2m8d old Apr 28 00:36:33 and counting Apr 28 00:36:59 AStorm: you know how to get wifi working with non-standard kernel? Apr 28 00:37:13 hm how to become root? Apr 28 00:37:15 I managed to get it to build vs 2.6.25 Apr 28 00:37:28 plb: ssh, or gainroot/easyroot Apr 28 00:37:36 or becameroot Apr 28 00:37:37 or login through ssh and fix sudo Apr 28 00:37:40 yup Apr 28 00:37:57 'sudo gainroot' was iirc working out-of-box on my n810 Apr 28 00:38:04 mhm Apr 28 00:38:04 or is there a way to delete this bloody menu entry...it won't let me delete anything from panel in control panel Apr 28 00:38:28 AStorm: 2.6.25-omap1 or 2.6.25? Apr 28 00:38:32 -omap1 Apr 28 00:38:37 it doesn't matter anyway Apr 28 00:38:43 AStorm: does it boot at all? Apr 28 00:38:51 2.6.25-omap1? nopes Apr 28 00:38:57 I'm working now on that nokia patch Apr 28 00:39:00 forward porting it Apr 28 00:39:10 now at 2.6.22 and 66% into it Apr 28 00:39:12 good luck Apr 28 00:39:22 AStorm: do you have serial jig? Apr 28 00:39:30 I'd love to, but alas, no Apr 28 00:39:37 then good luck^2 Apr 28 00:39:42 and need to buy usb-serial dongle too Apr 28 00:39:59 the kernel crashes before it can write to MTD, so serial wouldn't help much ;P Apr 28 00:40:00 my desktop has 3 serials ;D Apr 28 00:40:23 AStorm: serial cable is musthave when it comes to kernel hacking Apr 28 00:40:27 heh Apr 28 00:40:31 I know Apr 28 00:40:40 esp. when netconsole doesn't work Apr 28 00:40:55 netconsole.... Apr 28 00:40:57 the crash is before fb is set up Apr 28 00:41:21 printascii hack is nice lowlevel Apr 28 00:41:24 or it is just fb not working Apr 28 00:41:30 hrw: what does it do? :> Apr 28 00:41:38 what would one need to use a wii mote to play roms? Apr 28 00:41:44 on the n800 Apr 28 00:41:46 prints before printk is able to print Apr 28 00:41:47 O.o Apr 28 00:41:52 hrw: ah, that one Apr 28 00:42:06 it won't work on N Apr 28 00:42:06 hm there is sudo though...is there a default pw? Apr 28 00:42:13 plb: no Apr 28 00:42:27 last time I used it when was working on booting qemu/arm with armv6 kernel Apr 28 00:42:43 hrw: btw, the kernel seems to boot on your emulator Apr 28 00:42:51 but I can't test fb Apr 28 00:42:52 argh just want to delete this bomberman.desktop file Apr 28 00:42:54 it is not mine emulator Apr 28 00:43:02 to get it out my damn menu Apr 28 00:43:07 ah, well, your patched emulator from poky linux Apr 28 00:43:10 plb: cd /usr/share/applications and remove it Apr 28 00:43:25 says permission denied Apr 28 00:43:32 plb: became root then Apr 28 00:43:35 plb: sudo gainroot first ;> Apr 28 00:44:03 AStorm: do you want dmesg log from real hardware? Apr 28 00:44:25 I have one, thanks. Apr 28 00:44:27 AStorm: I know someone who has n8x0 with serial attached... Apr 28 00:44:30 enable rd mode if you want to break your device? Apr 28 00:44:33 that's what it says Apr 28 00:44:35 hrw: ah, yes Apr 28 00:44:37 then very much Apr 28 00:44:45 build linux-omap, latest :> Apr 28 00:44:53 AStorm: mail me kernel image Apr 28 00:44:58 ok, #0s Apr 28 00:45:00 30s Apr 28 00:45:12 current linux-omap needed a tiny patch :) Apr 28 00:45:14 no rush - I will contact him during day not now Apr 28 00:46:19 re Apr 28 00:46:28 elo KotCzarny Apr 28 00:46:38 KotCzarny: shower makes miracles? Apr 28 00:47:03 at least i don't stink so badly anymore Apr 28 00:47:08 argh Apr 28 00:47:14 bad click, bad! Apr 28 00:47:18 astorm went into irc-cycle loop? Apr 28 00:47:20 KotCzarny: sweating a lot? Apr 28 00:47:25 hrw: yeah.. Apr 28 00:47:34 that suxx in illness Apr 28 00:47:56 wtf? Apr 28 00:48:01 here we go again? Apr 28 00:48:02 there is XChat alive somewhere? Apr 28 00:48:10 AStorm: kill -9 -1 Apr 28 00:48:11 ;D Apr 28 00:48:11 it disappeared... Apr 28 00:48:18 hrw: har har ;P Apr 28 00:48:22 I prefer telinit S Apr 28 00:48:45 I do not like to use 80x24 on 22" wide LCD Apr 28 00:49:02 ~curse nvidia btw Apr 28 00:49:03 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nvidia btw ! Apr 28 00:49:05 and again Apr 28 00:49:16 nah Apr 28 00:49:17 hrw: go unregistered for a while? Apr 28 00:49:18 :) Apr 28 00:49:22 erm Apr 28 00:49:24 I have to change a certain binding Apr 28 00:49:25 s/hrw/astorm Apr 28 00:49:36 KotCzarny: naaah Apr 28 00:49:46 that was xchat having its window killed Apr 28 00:49:52 stupid piece of s....oftware Apr 28 00:50:32 ;) Apr 28 00:51:26 sss..sss..ssss...oftware Apr 28 00:52:12 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2744 Apr 28 00:52:14 yummy Apr 28 00:52:40 i bet there are whole ecosystems in people's keyboards Apr 28 00:52:52 hrw: where do you want the zImage sent to? Apr 28 00:53:09 do you want a tiny /bin/busybox initramfs in too? Apr 28 00:53:54 AStorm: does it boot into initramfs in qemu? Apr 28 00:54:01 let me check :-) Apr 28 00:55:56 fail, segfault? Apr 28 00:56:48 I'll check if it can run 2.6.21-nokia with initramfs Apr 28 00:58:06 nah, 2.6.21-nokia booted just fine into initramfs Apr 28 00:58:08 easyroot worked Apr 28 00:58:10 yay Apr 28 00:58:12 gone Apr 28 00:58:49 hrw: keyboard didn't work, but that's no biggy Apr 28 00:59:02 AStorm: basically the rule is: you send me kernel, I send you booting log from it. Apr 28 00:59:02 let's see that 2.6.25-foo Apr 28 00:59:07 make it nosegfault Apr 28 00:59:23 I remember I did something to make it not segfault Apr 28 00:59:38 if friend agree to boot it ;) Apr 28 00:59:53 mhm Apr 28 01:00:01 first, I'll get it running in the emulator Apr 28 01:00:13 how helpful emu is? Apr 28 01:00:17 btw, how do I get serial console output from that qemu? Apr 28 01:00:38 hrw: that my own built 2.6.21-nokia works in it Apr 28 01:00:46 add "-serial stdio" to command and 'console=ttyS0' to cmdline Apr 28 01:00:54 s/cmdline/kernel cmdline Apr 28 01:01:06 mhm Apr 28 01:02:24 hm, segfaults before serial is inited it seems ;P Apr 28 01:02:40 enabled printascii? Apr 28 01:02:55 where? Apr 28 01:03:06 CONFIG_DEBUG_LL iirc Apr 28 01:03:21 mhm Apr 28 01:04:09 now I have that in Apr 28 01:04:10 or google for printascii patch Apr 28 01:04:42 still nothing Apr 28 01:04:54 heh.. I hate to see when cores in cpu are wasted... Apr 28 01:05:09 I have DEBUG_LL in, but still it only crashes after some omap warnings Apr 28 01:05:14 like dsp in omap2 ? Apr 28 01:05:14 :) Apr 28 01:05:46 I have over year old Poky build in progress and it wastes cpu time Apr 28 01:05:52 compared to newer versions Apr 28 01:06:09 :> Apr 28 01:06:15 KotCzarny: I would like to play with omap3 one day Apr 28 01:06:17 KotCzarny: nah Apr 28 01:06:31 a lot "bad register" Apr 28 01:06:51 and omap_badwidth_read32 Apr 28 01:06:54 your dream will come true Apr 28 01:06:57 eventually Apr 28 01:07:02 a lot of these Apr 28 01:07:04 omap_badwidth_read32: 32-bit register 0x480000e5 Apr 28 01:07:16 KotCzarny: current Poky can be configured to make use of any amount of cpu cores. I would like to test it one day on 64+ cpu monsters Apr 28 01:07:26 hehe Apr 28 01:07:35 hrw: but only generic cores, not specialized ? Apr 28 01:09:17 cpu cores not dsp ones (unless you can run gcc on dsp ;) Apr 28 01:11:25 ok, got *something* to show Apr 28 01:11:29 actually, Linux logo Apr 28 01:11:31 on core2quad q6600 I am able to build poky-image-sato in ~1.5h and it has x11 with gtk based environment with webkit browser Apr 28 01:11:36 AStorm: progress ;) Apr 28 01:11:37 so, it works now Apr 28 01:11:44 disabled n810 support though Apr 28 01:11:46 .25? Apr 28 01:11:53 and a few unrelated things Apr 28 01:12:17 n810 <> n800 is other TS, keyboard and something more? Apr 28 01:12:33 onenand_write: unknown OneNAND boot command 0 and it shuts down? Apr 28 01:12:51 AStorm: you use maemo or poky rootfs? Apr 28 01:13:18 ... Apr 28 01:13:19 astorm: gps Apr 28 01:13:21 it's no rootfs Apr 28 01:13:26 it should boot into initramfs Apr 28 01:13:57 maybe something interrupts boot process Apr 28 01:13:59 some driver Apr 28 01:14:01 btw, I'm getting no, read, none serial output in the qemu Apr 28 01:14:06 KotCzarny: is not gps connected to serial? Apr 28 01:14:32 it is serial over SPI Apr 28 01:14:33 ;) Apr 28 01:14:41 AStorm: -append "console=ttyS0 debug" -serial stdio to qemu? Apr 28 01:15:06 that so called gps... Apr 28 01:15:08 tried, zilcho Apr 28 01:15:19 hmm Apr 28 01:15:30 afair serial on n8x0 was ttyS3 Apr 28 01:15:33 or 2 Apr 28 01:15:34 okwell Apr 28 01:15:38 fb works Apr 28 01:15:42 after playing with navigation software on n810 I am more and more decided to buy wince based navigation device Apr 28 01:15:43 i may be wrong though Apr 28 01:16:02 astorm: on device or emu? Apr 28 01:16:10 on emu Apr 28 01:16:16 I'll try the same kernel on the device now Apr 28 01:16:24 maemo mapper lack offline routing, navicore lack sensible maps and both are not written for touchscreen devices Apr 28 01:16:32 that would be quite a milestone if it worked Apr 28 01:16:48 AStorm: tag kernel in git Apr 28 01:16:56 sure Apr 28 01:17:26 git tag "after-long-fight-booted-to-fb-and-crashed" Apr 28 01:17:44 damnit Apr 28 01:17:49 slightly too big Apr 28 01:17:57 have to shave off some 50 KB Apr 28 01:18:13 2MB limit... Apr 28 01:18:21 ya Apr 28 01:18:37 can this layout be changed? Apr 28 01:18:44 mtd1/2/3/4 ? Apr 28 01:18:47 it is better then on Zaurus devices where it was 1.2MB or even 1M on collie Apr 28 01:18:51 ;> Apr 28 01:18:56 that was, like, ouch Apr 28 01:18:57 KotCzarny: it is rather hardcoded in nolo Apr 28 01:19:01 hmm Apr 28 01:19:14 KotCzarny: standard procedure in small bootloaders Apr 28 01:19:26 nolo does the magic initialization or just loads 'next part' ? Apr 28 01:19:28 hmmhmm Apr 28 01:19:34 it booted in qemu, but not on the device Apr 28 01:19:51 I'll better enable n810 support Apr 28 01:19:59 AStorm: qemu is not exact emulation - it does not use nolo iirc Apr 28 01:20:09 etc. Apr 28 01:21:19 no luck Apr 28 01:21:32 possibly something n810 related Apr 28 01:21:39 ok, time to turn daughter to back and return to sleep Apr 28 01:23:05 I'd actually like Nokia to forward-port their changes Apr 28 01:23:08 is it *that* hard? Apr 28 01:24:00 children makes funny moves sometimes ;) Apr 28 01:24:14 hmm, OneNAND driver is b*ching in qemu, btw Apr 28 01:24:33 if that doesn't work correctly, the kernel won't boot I guess P Apr 28 01:25:06 AStorm: iirc they merge their kernel changes Apr 28 01:25:17 they do bad at it Apr 28 01:25:29 so 2.6.21-nokia works, while 2.6.25-omap1 doesn't ;P Apr 28 01:25:41 (or any earlier) Apr 28 01:25:51 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2678 Apr 28 01:25:53 ehehehe Apr 28 01:26:18 whoops ;) Apr 28 01:30:40 shit. will have more work during day ;( Apr 28 01:30:48 :> Apr 28 01:30:56 ~curse internal servers Apr 28 01:30:57 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, internal servers ! Apr 28 01:31:52 infobot: learn plural, will you? Apr 28 01:33:48 AStorm: and then let it learn Polish plurals Apr 28 01:34:10 English would suffice Apr 28 01:35:06 ehehe Apr 28 01:35:33 I remember some time ago discussion about "1 tasks remainded" in one application Apr 28 01:36:09 developer wanted to have it changed to "1 task remainded" with simple "if amount == 1 then 'task' else 'tasks'" Apr 28 01:37:07 then I told him how it looks in Polish and he got scared enough to check gettext support ;) Apr 28 01:40:35 :) Apr 28 01:40:55 yeah, localizations suck Apr 28 01:41:04 english is nice enough for guis Apr 28 01:41:07 and messages Apr 28 01:41:14 nearly no declination :) Apr 28 01:41:19 indeed Apr 28 01:41:48 btw - odwocic na plecy to 'turn to back' czy 'turn to backs' bo nigdy nie pamietam Apr 28 01:43:11 turn on the back Apr 28 01:43:15 hehe Apr 28 01:43:15 wow, very nice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAi531YZ9L0 Apr 28 01:43:18 gracias Apr 28 01:43:37 cholerne a/an/the Apr 28 01:43:41 hehe Apr 28 01:43:50 ja po prostu wrzucam gdzie mi sie wyda ze ok Apr 28 01:43:51 curse of english ;D Apr 28 01:43:53 i sie nie przejmuje Apr 28 01:43:56 :) Apr 28 01:44:19 heh Apr 28 01:44:27 hrw, you speak spanish ? Apr 28 01:44:31 i love those blurry, out of ofcus flash vids Apr 28 01:44:40 lopz: nope Apr 28 01:44:42 *focus Apr 28 01:51:49 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-makes-funny-moves/ Apr 28 01:51:59 wrong Apr 28 01:52:04 ? Apr 28 01:52:05 children is plural Apr 28 01:52:14 makes is only for singular 3rd person Apr 28 01:52:20 :) Apr 28 01:52:21 right Apr 28 01:53:03 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/28/children-make-funny-moves/ then Apr 28 01:53:30 and you don't move to the back, but turn Apr 28 01:53:43 fetching 60M archives from svn suxx Apr 28 01:53:45 move to the back could be possible in car etc Apr 28 01:54:04 or if you were baking him/her Apr 28 01:54:06 :) Apr 28 01:54:15 ;D Apr 28 01:55:41 fixed Apr 28 01:57:02 pff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vhwMzEPJc&feature=related Apr 28 01:57:28 yeah, vnc fun Apr 28 01:57:46 nice to trick 'doze users Apr 28 01:58:46 http://ok.research.nokia.com/pipermail/qemu-arm/2008-April/000060.html - someone has access? Apr 28 01:58:57 No such domain: ok.research.nokia.com Apr 28 01:58:59 :) Apr 28 01:59:10 i think my root pdnsd doesn't like some domains Apr 28 01:59:12 and I got it as referrer on my blog Apr 28 02:00:17 may be internal domain Apr 28 02:00:42 yep Apr 28 02:00:42 because it doesn't have anything other than mail records Apr 28 02:01:27 I need to add few rules to .htaccess here... Apr 28 02:01:41 to block others from use of pictures on my sites Apr 28 02:01:49 ~curse someone on ITT Apr 28 02:01:53 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, someone on ITT ! Apr 28 02:02:03 don't block Apr 28 02:02:06 redirect Apr 28 02:02:06 ~curse bofh Apr 28 02:02:07 :) Apr 28 02:02:07 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bofh ! Apr 28 02:02:25 KotCzarny: to hardcore goatse picture like my friend did? Apr 28 02:02:35 nope, to your main page Apr 28 02:02:38 or something Apr 28 02:03:08 it does not work good for Apr 28 02:03:43 well Apr 28 02:04:00 then a png with your site name will be enough Apr 28 02:04:01 :) Apr 28 02:04:08 *'s Apr 28 02:04:30 hm. the problem is named feeds... Apr 28 02:05:06 if you fetch feed from my site then it redirect you to feedburner and then you fetch images. so no referrer is sent Apr 28 02:05:24 but I can rename files on server ;D Apr 28 02:05:28 if browser doesn't send referer Apr 28 02:05:32 then.. meh Apr 28 02:05:33 :) Apr 28 02:05:58 KotCzarny: if you read by google reader... Apr 28 02:09:10 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19108 looks a bit worse but I pay for bandwidth Apr 28 02:10:00 have a nice rest or night/day guys Apr 28 02:10:08 * hrw back to the bed Apr 28 02:10:11 go go Apr 28 02:10:12 :) Apr 28 02:39:08 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3012 - buy me one Apr 28 02:39:27 nah Apr 28 02:39:34 wireless model is better Apr 28 02:39:54 or blink left/right/nod Apr 28 02:41:34 actually, that could be useful as an input device for Morse code Apr 28 02:41:39 or better yet, Dasher Apr 28 02:44:05 Someone should make dasher more compatible with qwerty keyboard ;P Apr 28 02:44:16 what's that anyway? Apr 28 02:44:24 Google, heathen! Apr 28 02:44:50 you know more :> Apr 28 02:45:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasher Apr 28 02:45:35 ahm Apr 28 02:45:39 input method Apr 28 02:46:18 http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html - have a gif Apr 28 02:46:45 The only problem is slight dizzyness after prolonged use ;P Apr 28 02:46:53 heheh Apr 28 02:46:56 not good Apr 28 02:46:59 and that it requires attention Apr 28 02:47:03 because it mean real problems Apr 28 02:47:08 *means Apr 28 02:47:13 huh? Apr 28 02:47:26 well, it's just like sea sickness ;P Apr 28 02:47:27 human body is learning all the time Apr 28 02:47:35 you don't move, but the visual input is Apr 28 02:47:39 if you feel dizzyness it means some conflicts Apr 28 02:47:43 sure it does Apr 28 02:47:49 but then, it's slight Apr 28 02:47:58 I'm not prone to sea sickness ;P Apr 28 02:48:07 have you used 8h/day 365days ? Apr 28 02:48:13 *it Apr 28 02:48:23 full days, yes Apr 28 02:48:33 Nice fun ;) Apr 28 02:48:47 looks like a a game Apr 28 02:48:48 :) Apr 28 02:48:54 Even used it for irc for a time, got quite ok, 3.0 speed Apr 28 02:49:07 that means, 3 bits per second Apr 28 02:49:28 (normalized to english word entropy) Apr 28 02:50:06 hmm Apr 28 02:50:15 have you tried interfacing it with webcam? Apr 28 02:50:31 It'd need a *lot* of coding ;P Apr 28 02:50:35 :) Apr 28 02:50:37 or a pointer cap Apr 28 02:50:44 and a lot of coding any way Apr 28 02:50:56 big bulb on the forehead Apr 28 02:50:57 ;) Apr 28 02:51:09 well, led should be ok too Apr 28 02:51:10 :) Apr 28 02:51:25 still needs some coding Apr 28 02:51:52 the problem with dasher is that you have to look at it ;P Apr 28 02:51:59 touch typing doesn't have that problem Apr 28 02:52:15 I'd love to combine it with voice synthesis Apr 28 02:52:40 (although I don't know any good algorithm for Polish) Apr 28 02:54:49 osk could be faster though Apr 28 02:55:24 nah, it will be faster than OSK if trained, I think Apr 28 02:55:34 trained osk? Apr 28 02:55:35 :) Apr 28 02:55:39 and more accurate than handwriting recognition Apr 28 02:55:46 KotCzarny: yes, definitely Apr 28 02:55:52 faster than thumb writing Apr 28 02:55:52 hum Apr 28 02:56:04 it's faster than hw keyboard too, in my case Apr 28 02:56:14 and I'm not anywhere close to trained ;> Apr 28 02:56:25 it still presents you with letters you have to click Apr 28 02:56:28 and haven't tried it with pen, could be better than mouse Apr 28 02:56:36 KotCzarny: wrong Apr 28 02:56:45 you draw a path to the letter, not click it Apr 28 02:56:51 at least, not in the default mode Apr 28 02:56:57 there is a click mode too Apr 28 02:57:21 let me check if I still have that installed :> Apr 28 02:57:42 yup Apr 28 02:57:59 and working Apr 28 02:58:42 It's quite nice really. Apr 28 02:58:53 i believe you Apr 28 02:59:06 but constant moving isn't so nice on cpu Apr 28 02:59:07 is it? Apr 28 02:59:12 And I'm mission practice. Apr 28 02:59:24 sure Apr 28 02:59:28 missing? Apr 28 02:59:30 :) Apr 28 02:59:32 ;) Apr 28 02:59:39 ya, need to slow it down a bit Apr 28 02:59:54 Anyway. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 28 02:59:56 2008