**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 28 02:59:56 2008
Apr 28 03:00:43 <AStorm> It is said to work on the IT.
Apr 28 03:01:34 <AStorm> Slowly, but working.
Apr 28 03:02:39 <AStorm> Needs more integration though.
Apr 28 03:02:58 <AStorm> (and I need more practice)
Apr 28 03:05:22 <AStorm> Let's see now.
Apr 28 03:06:10 <AStorm> Hmm, really out of practice:)
Apr 28 03:07:42 <AStorm> It's fun typing shell in it, I created a dictionary optimized for that
Apr 28 03:08:14 <AStorm> Really easy that way.
Apr 28 03:09:21 <AStorm> You get autocomplete for free.
Apr 28 03:09:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:09:34 <woodwizzle> On what repo is GtkSourceView and the python runtime on?
Apr 28 03:09:55 <woodwizzle> i can't find 'em anywhere to download, and I need them for pygtkeditor
Apr 28 03:10:09 <AStorm> ayayay
Apr 28 03:10:30 <AStorm> stupid GTK accepts inserted tab key as a real tab ;P
Apr 28 03:10:39 <Navi> Woo
Apr 28 03:10:40 <AStorm> no tabcomplete for me then ;P
Apr 28 03:10:59 <Navi> :D
Apr 28 03:11:03 <AStorm> heh.
Apr 28 03:11:09 <KotCzarny> astorm, is it hildonized?
Apr 28 03:11:23 <AStorm> Supposedly.
Apr 28 03:11:23 <KotCzarny> i know that hildon gtk apps need enter sent differently
Apr 28 03:11:39 <KotCzarny> at least with default im
Apr 28 03:11:40 <AStorm> Well, I'm using it on my PC now.
Apr 28 03:11:53 <AStorm> Not on N, which has broken kernel and initfs ;P
Apr 28 03:12:34 <AStorm> Needed a patch for a crasher.
Apr 28 03:12:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:13:00 <KotCzarny> you have a backup?
Apr 28 03:13:00 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 03:13:06 <AStorm> Hmm, right now I'm typing with 1/4 the speed of a QWERTY.
Apr 28 03:13:22 <AStorm> Not too bad.
Apr 28 03:13:34 <AStorm> KotCzarny: of course I have a backup
Apr 28 03:13:46 <Navi> Wow, if I typed 1/4th the speed of my speed, it'd be 15 wpm
Apr 28 03:13:51 * Navi types slow
Apr 28 03:13:57 <AStorm> Navi: you're not a touch typist then
Apr 28 03:14:03 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 03:14:11 <KotCzarny> i more a punch typist
Apr 28 03:14:25 <KotCzarny> but thinkpads have very good kbs
Apr 28 03:14:37 <AStorm> OMG
Apr 28 03:14:38 <KotCzarny> *i'm
Apr 28 03:14:46 <Navi> AStorm, I constantly make mistakes out of habit and that bogs me down like crazy
Apr 28 03:15:08 <Navi> I don't care to fix it either
Apr 28 03:15:18 <AStorm> You punch the keyboard?
Apr 28 03:15:33 <KotCzarny> astorm, well, i type quite hard
Apr 28 03:15:48 <AStorm> Hehe
Apr 28 03:16:23 <AStorm> Keyslammer
Apr 28 03:16:31 <KotCzarny> something like that
Apr 28 03:16:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:16:42 <KotCzarny> plastic on my kb is worn out
Apr 28 03:16:53 <KotCzarny> usually on space, shift and enter
Apr 28 03:17:05 <KotCzarny> it was matte at the beginning
Apr 28 03:17:11 <AStorm> It'd be uberfun to write with Dasher using a tilt sensor ;P
Apr 28 03:17:12 <KotCzarny> now it's shiny in most places
Apr 28 03:17:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 03:17:28 <KotCzarny> astorm: great kid's game
Apr 28 03:17:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:18:17 <AStorm> Want a static binary? (Not for N)
Apr 28 03:18:25 <KotCzarny> not yet
Apr 28 03:18:46 <AStorm> alternatively, I can drop you the needed patches
Apr 28 03:21:13 <zakkm> hi .. i have a nokia 770 and i was wondering if there was a guide on installing 2008HE on it ( currently running 2006 )
Apr 28 03:21:21 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 28 03:21:23 <KotCzarny> maemo.org
Apr 28 03:21:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:21:37 <zakkm> any chance of a exact link?
Apr 28 03:21:42 <zakkm> like to the guide?
Apr 28 03:21:55 <KotCzarny> i don't have any handy
Apr 28 03:21:57 <AStorm> ~google Nokia 2008HE
Apr 28 03:21:58 <zakkm> like i downloaded stuff from ther ebefore
Apr 28 03:22:08 <AStorm> infobot: you suck!
Apr 28 03:22:09 <infobot> Sorry!
Apr 28 03:22:10 <zakkm> AStorm: i did that?
Apr 28 03:22:36 <AStorm> no, you didn't
Apr 28 03:22:47 <zakkm> AStorm: doesnt bring up any helpful results?
Apr 28 03:22:52 <zakkm> http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=nokia+2008hE&btnG=Search&meta=
Apr 28 03:23:16 <KotCzarny> add 'howto'
Apr 28 03:23:21 <KotCzarny> to the search query
Apr 28 03:23:47 <zakkm> i just get irc logs from this irc channel?
Apr 28 03:24:03 <KotCzarny> that's good
Apr 28 03:24:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:24:10 <KotCzarny> they are full of links
Apr 28 03:25:44 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 03:25:58 <zakkm> will skype work on it?
Apr 28 03:26:01 <zakkm> nokia 770 - 2008HE
Apr 28 03:26:14 <zakkm> my main reason for updating is to run skype
Apr 28 03:27:40 <AStorm> I don't think so.
Apr 28 03:27:48 <AStorm> It's a different cpu.
Apr 28 03:28:24 <KotCzarny> http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/12/skype-on-n770-using-os2007-he.html
Apr 28 03:28:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:29:33 <KotCzarny> and this is the source: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12740
Apr 28 03:30:29 <StormEveryDay> skype can run on 2006
Apr 28 03:32:35 <AStorm> We want Skype with videosupport!
Apr 28 03:32:43 <KotCzarny> nah.
Apr 28 03:32:44 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:32:58 <AStorm> Why?
Apr 28 03:33:56 <AStorm> At least rudimentary.
Apr 28 03:38:46 <Sakkath> Is there another GPS receiver that will work with the Nokia n800?  I just bought one under the impression the Nokia Navigation Kit was a lot cheaper than it really is.  I should have just waited and got the n810 but it's too late now.
Apr 28 03:39:11 <KotCzarny> i think any bt gps will do
Apr 28 03:39:20 <Sakkath> hm
Apr 28 03:40:01 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: know of any cheap but quality ones?
Apr 28 03:40:10 <KotCzarny> how cheap is cheap?
Apr 28 03:40:11 <zakkm> wait sorry i left
Apr 28 03:40:15 <zakkm> skype works on 2006?
Apr 28 03:40:24 <KotCzarny> i saw one link that suggested: http://www.semsons.com/wiwbmu3gpsre2.html
Apr 28 03:40:27 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: hopefully cheaper than the Nokia Navigation Kit :D.  I've seen like $186 or around there
Apr 28 03:40:47 <zakkm> Sakkath: skype works on 2006? i couldnt seem to get it to work if i remember correctly
Apr 28 03:41:14 <Sakkath> zakkm: I didn't even get my n800 yet, hasn't been shipped.
Apr 28 03:41:36 <zakkm> Also, how come when i refresh package list in application manager. it fails ?
Apr 28 03:41:49 <zakkm> and shows a old list from like september '07
Apr 28 03:41:50 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: http://www.buygpsnow.com/bluetooth-gps_9.aspx some of those are pretty cheap BlueTooth GPS receivers, any good?
Apr 28 03:43:12 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 03:43:59 <KotCzarny> tbh i never had gps yet
Apr 28 03:44:12 <KotCzarny> so everything i know is from stories of other people
Apr 28 03:44:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 03:44:32 <Sakkath> Well, I'll keep looking and researching--don't need one right away, just was asking for future reference.
Apr 28 03:44:38 <zakkm> SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin
Apr 28 03:44:41 <zakkm> does that sound right?
Apr 28 03:44:43 <zakkm> for nokia 770?
Apr 28 03:44:54 <zakkm> 3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets
Apr 28 03:50:33 <zakkm> is SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2007.46-3_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin right for the nokia 770 ? for 2007HE?
Apr 28 03:50:44 <ameng> Anyone get directfb run on maemo?
Apr 28 03:51:06 <johnx> ameng, to run *on* maemo? hmm
Apr 28 03:51:49 <ameng> sorry , on n810
Apr 28 03:51:49 <johnx> that might be a bit tricky
Apr 28 03:52:15 <johnx> almost certainly possible
Apr 28 03:52:16 <ameng> johnx:why?
Apr 28 03:53:05 <johnx> well Nokia's "ITOS2008" is already using the framebuffer and it can be tricky to kill off the x server without their watchdog software freaking out and rebooting your device
Apr 28 03:54:35 <johnx> should be possible though. And maybe you can just use some software to open up a fullscreen black window and then run directfb and just kind of forget that the x server is running
Apr 28 03:54:44 <AStorm> it is easy to do so
Apr 28 03:55:09 <AStorm> just change dsmetool call in the X server init script
Apr 28 03:55:19 <AStorm> then terminate it and use the framebuffer as usual
Apr 28 03:55:31 <AStorm> but you need a kernel capable of automatic screen updates
Apr 28 03:55:32 <johnx> yeah, that would work too
Apr 28 03:55:42 <johnx> you just need fanoush's modules
Apr 28 03:55:47 <AStorm> or a directfb driver that updates the screen
Apr 28 03:55:57 <AStorm> johnx: tell me more about these ;P
Apr 28 03:56:10 * johnx digs up the thread
Apr 28 03:56:17 <zakkm> if i use 2008HE on the nokia 770 ( dont mind speed issues much ) is it possible to go back to 2006? or can it like brick my nokia?
Apr 28 03:56:32 <AStorm> zakkm: just reflash and it's 2006 again
Apr 28 03:56:37 <zakkm> k
Apr 28 03:56:49 <zakkm> do i need the USB cable to flash it to 2008 ?
Apr 28 03:56:50 <ameng> Oh, thank you
Apr 28 03:56:57 <AStorm> zakkm: yes
Apr 28 03:57:03 <zakkm> sorry .. only had it a few days
Apr 28 03:57:22 <zakkm> got it on ebay for $85
Apr 28 03:57:23 <johnx> AStorm, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=fbcon
Apr 28 03:57:39 <zakkm> im running 3.2006.49-2 currently?
Apr 28 03:58:26 <zakkm> SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- is that it? for my 770 ?
Apr 28 03:58:35 <zakkm> 1st FIASCO image of the OS 2008 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- it says in description
Apr 28 03:58:53 <johnx> yup, there's only one
Apr 28 03:59:10 <zakkm> whats that uhmm
Apr 28 03:59:14 <zakkm> meta-crawler thingy
Apr 28 03:59:21 <zakkm> metalayer-crawler
Apr 28 03:59:25 <KotCzarny> it's evil
Apr 28 03:59:39 <johnx> it indexes your media files
Apr 28 03:59:40 <zakkm> i got x terminal on it.. but when i flash it.. wont it delete all my apps?
Apr 28 03:59:43 <KotCzarny> at least in it's current form
Apr 28 03:59:56 <johnx> but sometimes it goes insane and uses up all the CPU time
Apr 28 04:00:03 <johnx> zakkm, yes, flashing will erase all your apps
Apr 28 04:00:11 <zakkm> eek
Apr 28 04:00:13 <KotCzarny> and user files too
Apr 28 04:00:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:00:24 <johnx> but os2008 comes with a terminal
Apr 28 04:00:28 <zakkm> would 2008HE use more battery then 2006?
Apr 28 04:00:31 <zakkm> like significantly
Apr 28 04:00:34 <zakkm> cause i like my battery life :P
Apr 28 04:00:51 <johnx> it might, since it takes more power to run
Apr 28 04:01:14 <zakkm> i can charge it nightly? but would it last that long?
Apr 28 04:01:22 <johnx> we don't know
Apr 28 04:01:25 <johnx> it depends on how you use it
Apr 28 04:01:32 <johnx> why not give it a shot and see
Apr 28 04:01:40 <KotCzarny> n800 charges from empty to full in ~3h
Apr 28 04:01:41 <zakkm> true
Apr 28 04:01:43 <zakkm> can it brick it?
Apr 28 04:01:49 <johnx> nope
Apr 28 04:02:03 <johnx> nokia's flasher is solid
Apr 28 04:02:03 <zakkm> i spent so long geting all these apps
Apr 28 04:02:06 <zakkm> and now i gotta flash it lol
Apr 28 04:02:23 <zakkm> mplayer,streamtunmer, maemo blocks, maemo pad, mdictionary,xchat, fbreader etc
Apr 28 04:02:42 <KotCzarny> they are all free and available
Apr 28 04:02:45 <KotCzarny> aren't they?
Apr 28 04:02:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:02:48 <zakkm> yeah
Apr 28 04:02:51 <zakkm> but now i have to redownload?
Apr 28 04:02:54 <zakkm> after i flash
Apr 28 04:02:56 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 28 04:02:57 <zakkm> ;p
Apr 28 04:03:03 <KotCzarny> because libs are different
Apr 28 04:03:04 <zakkm> i just added them yesterday
Apr 28 04:03:06 <zakkm> :(
Apr 28 04:03:13 <zakkm> different? really? not just updated?
Apr 28 04:03:28 <johnx> a little of both
Apr 28 04:03:38 <johnx> there was a big API break between OS2007 and OS2008
Apr 28 04:03:39 <zakkm> hey i was looking at the screenshot section on internttablettalk and ppl are running fluxbox by the looks of it?
Apr 28 04:03:56 <zakkm> johnx : makes 2008 better or worse?
Apr 28 04:03:56 <johnx> link to the screenshot?
Apr 28 04:03:59 <zakkm> onesec
Apr 28 04:04:17 <johnx> just makes it newer. From a programming point of view it should be better
Apr 28 04:04:22 <zakkm> have to find it again ;p
Apr 28 04:05:04 <zakkm> they were talking about openbox rox? rox i believe is a file manager?
Apr 28 04:06:27 <johnx> you can get a lot of crazy stuff running
Apr 28 04:06:28 <zakkm> johnx: http://penguinbait.com/fluxbox.png
Apr 28 04:06:36 <zakkm> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5014
Apr 28 04:06:36 <johnx> it's just a linux machine after all
Apr 28 04:06:41 <zakkm> 2nd post or close?
Apr 28 04:06:45 <zakkm> yeah true
Apr 28 04:06:52 <zakkm> but there has to be like limitations?
Apr 28 04:07:01 <johnx> yeah, your time
Apr 28 04:07:11 <johnx> some stuff is a pain to get working
Apr 28 04:07:15 <KotCzarny> vnc
Apr 28 04:07:23 <KotCzarny> is the keyword here
Apr 28 04:07:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:07:24 <johnx> other limitations are memory
Apr 28 04:07:37 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 04:07:40 <zakkm> does vnc even work well?
Apr 28 04:07:42 <zakkm> on a nokia 770?
Apr 28 04:07:52 <KotCzarny> but hmm
Apr 28 04:08:26 <KotCzarny> on the connected machine it's *box
Apr 28 04:08:34 <zakkm> fluxbox ;p
Apr 28 04:08:37 <zakkm> it says under it
Apr 28 04:08:47 <zakkm> in post
Apr 28 04:09:13 <zakkm> so what nokia's you two have?
Apr 28 04:09:19 <johnx> n800
Apr 28 04:09:25 <KotCzarny> n800
Apr 28 04:09:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:09:38 <KotCzarny> and n-gage
Apr 28 04:09:50 <KotCzarny> na 3945 or something
Apr 28 04:09:53 <KotCzarny> *and
Apr 28 04:09:54 <zakkm> lucky
Apr 28 04:09:59 <zakkm> whats na 3945?
Apr 28 04:10:08 <KotCzarny> nokia 3945
Apr 28 04:10:20 <KotCzarny> number may be wrong
Apr 28 04:10:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:10:53 <zakkm> i love the 2008 UI
Apr 28 04:10:55 <zakkm> the look
Apr 28 04:11:23 <zakkm> how good is vnc on it?
Apr 28 04:11:36 <zakkm> is it worth me setting up?
Apr 28 04:11:52 <KotCzarny> if you have time for playing around :)
Apr 28 04:11:56 <KotCzarny> then definitely
Apr 28 04:12:19 <zakkm> now i wish i bought a n800
Apr 28 04:12:30 <zakkm> $85 was good though right?
Apr 28 04:12:35 <zakkm> last week?
Apr 28 04:12:35 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 28 04:12:39 <zakkm> for 770
Apr 28 04:12:46 <zakkm> mint condition and all that
Apr 28 04:12:52 <zakkm> havent failed on me at all?
Apr 28 04:12:53 <zakkm> ohh
Apr 28 04:12:58 <zakkm> how do i use non RS-MMC's on it?
Apr 28 04:13:07 <johnx> with a lot of pain
Apr 28 04:13:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:13:15 <zakkm> i went through guides and sites and like yeah but it seems like not worth it
Apr 28 04:13:19 <zakkm> cutting the SD card -.-
Apr 28 04:13:23 <johnx> might not be
Apr 28 04:13:34 <johnx> it depends on how much you want more storage space
Apr 28 04:13:40 <zakkm> the only RS-MMC's i could find was on ebay for like $20 for 2gb from china.. i live in TOronto, ON -.-
Apr 28 04:13:49 <zakkm> i want like 2gb?
Apr 28 04:14:07 <johnx> 2GB would be good
Apr 28 04:14:11 <KotCzarny> 20 bucks isn't your monthly paycheck
Apr 28 04:14:15 <KotCzarny> so it's not bad
Apr 28 04:14:16 <KotCzarny> i guess
Apr 28 04:14:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:14:21 <johnx> that's all I have for my n800
Apr 28 04:14:37 <zakkm> well im 17 year old student
Apr 28 04:14:40 <zakkm> and no job
Apr 28 04:14:43 <zakkm> so yes it is more lol
Apr 28 04:14:55 <zakkm> but then ill need to use someone elses creditcard.. and then wait for it
Apr 28 04:15:00 <zakkm> and hope it works and all that
Apr 28 04:15:01 <johnx> ah, I remember those days of hacking on Linux devices :D I know how you feel
Apr 28 04:15:17 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 04:15:25 <zakkm> theres not many linux devices
Apr 28 04:15:37 <zakkm> handheld's anyways
Apr 28 04:15:47 <johnx> well, there's only a couple that run linux from the start
Apr 28 04:15:56 <zakkm> ipodlinux ;p
Apr 28 04:15:58 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 04:16:03 <zakkm> xbox orginial
Apr 28 04:16:05 <zakkm> ps3 linux
Apr 28 04:16:15 <zakkm> but nothing really handheld like the nokia's ;p
Apr 28 04:16:22 <johnx> but there's a lot that can run linux: some palms, some ipaqs, some random other winmo devices,
Apr 28 04:16:29 <zakkm> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=802&stc=1&d=1200242604 that looks amazing
Apr 28 04:17:25 <zakkm> you know linux right
Apr 28 04:17:30 <zakkm> how hard would it be to run uhm
Apr 28 04:17:38 <zakkm> fluxbox natively?
Apr 28 04:17:41 <zakkm> no vnc or anything
Apr 28 04:17:47 <KotCzarny> needs some hacking
Apr 28 04:17:54 <johnx> what's your linux level?
Apr 28 04:18:00 <KotCzarny> but people run kde etc.
Apr 28 04:18:04 <johnx> do you run it on your desktop?
Apr 28 04:18:05 <KotCzarny> so it's definitely doable
Apr 28 04:18:19 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 04:18:25 <zakkm> yeah i can do desktop linux
Apr 28 04:18:39 <johnx> are you afraid of the command line?
Apr 28 04:18:40 <zakkm> well i temporary stopped like i tried the newest suse 11.0 beta 1 last week?
Apr 28 04:18:42 <zakkm> no im not
Apr 28 04:18:45 <zakkm> im a irssi fan
Apr 28 04:18:46 <zakkm> oh way
Apr 28 04:18:52 <zakkm> i cant get it running in nokia
Apr 28 04:18:57 <zakkm> i installed it but xterm give sme a error
Apr 28 04:19:04 <zakkm> but i guess it will go when i flash?
Apr 28 04:19:30 <johnx> yup, and there's an irssi package for os2008 but I'm not sure how well it works
Apr 28 04:19:44 <zakkm> irssi + nickcolor script = wickedd :D
Apr 28 04:19:45 * johnx has been using linux for 10 years and still prefers a graphical irc client
Apr 28 04:19:51 <zakkm> urxvt -tr +sb -fg white
Apr 28 04:19:55 <zakkm> with xcompmgr :D
Apr 28 04:20:01 <zakkm> hah
Apr 28 04:20:04 <zakkm> xchat works fine on my nokia
Apr 28 04:20:10 <zakkm> but i wanted to try irssi on it?
Apr 28 04:20:45 <johnx> well, there's also another route...there are other linux distributions for the 770
Apr 28 04:20:58 <johnx> you'll need a 2GB rs-mmc card to do that though
Apr 28 04:21:04 <zakkm> ah no
Apr 28 04:21:07 <zakkm> no way lol
Apr 28 04:21:15 <zakkm> well depends the distro
Apr 28 04:21:16 <zakkm> ;p
Apr 28 04:21:20 <johnx> Debian
Apr 28 04:21:28 <zakkm> i thought its already debian?
Apr 28 04:21:37 <zakkm> its based on debian. .the normal one isnt it?
Apr 28 04:21:39 <KotCzarny> in the similiar way ubuntu is debian
Apr 28 04:21:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:21:45 <johnx> they forked off from Debian around 2005 and it's diverged quite a bit
Apr 28 04:21:59 <zakkm> ive never liked debian as a desktop OS
Apr 28 04:22:03 <johnx> KotCzarny, ubuntu and debian are far closer than os2008 and debian sid are
Apr 28 04:22:18 <johnx> zakkm, yup, making things work will involve some hacking
Apr 28 04:22:23 <zakkm> i like Archlinux :D
Apr 28 04:22:24 <KotCzarny> johnx: both are forks developed by independent parties, right?
Apr 28 04:22:25 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:22:32 <johnx> KotCzarny, not so much
Apr 28 04:22:52 <zakkm> johnx: would it run smooth?
Apr 28 04:22:52 <johnx> look at how many current Debian and Ubuntu packages are exactly the same, maintained by the same guy
Apr 28 04:22:56 <zakkm> not talking gnome/kde lol
Apr 28 04:23:03 <zakkm> just like fluxbox/ awesome/ openbox
Apr 28 04:23:16 <johnx> fluxbox would run fine, I'm sure
Apr 28 04:23:20 <johnx> I've run it on slower machines
Apr 28 04:23:33 <KotCzarny> johnx: in the same way you can install armel packages from debian.org on n8x0
Apr 28 04:23:51 <johnx> KotCzarny, but you can't really
Apr 28 04:23:51 <zakkm> i would like that.. should take low battery eh?
Apr 28 04:24:01 <KotCzarny> johnx: i did
Apr 28 04:24:03 <johnx> not without a recompile and some dependency tweaks and hacking
Apr 28 04:24:06 <johnx> in most cases
Apr 28 04:24:15 <zakkm> eek
Apr 28 04:24:24 <zakkm> ill save it for another time.. when i had the nokia for long lol
Apr 28 04:24:34 <johnx> zakkm, I was responding to KotCzarny, not you :)
Apr 28 04:24:45 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 04:24:47 <johnx> once you actually get debian installed it's just apt-get install fluxbox
Apr 28 04:24:57 <zakkm> wouldnt that work now?
Apr 28 04:25:00 <zakkm> is apt installed?
Apr 28 04:25:07 <zakkm> they use apt dont they
Apr 28 04:25:11 <zakkm> cant i just add a debian repo?
Apr 28 04:25:18 <KotCzarny> it's not your regular linux distro
Apr 28 04:25:21 <KotCzarny> it's hackish
Apr 28 04:25:24 <johnx> it is, but Nokia's ITOS has a different structure and different library versions from Debian
Apr 28 04:25:25 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 04:25:30 <johnx> KotCzarny, thank you, that's what I was getting at
Apr 28 04:25:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:25:52 <zakkm> omg
Apr 28 04:25:55 <zakkm> i got class in 5 hours
Apr 28 04:25:56 <zakkm> -.-
Apr 28 04:26:00 <zakkm> highschool grade 11..
Apr 28 04:26:08 <johnx> get some sleep :)
Apr 28 04:26:12 <zakkm> are you guys usually here?
Apr 28 04:26:19 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 28 04:26:21 <johnx> a lot of the time
Apr 28 04:26:23 <Navi_> johnx lives in a different time zone
Apr 28 04:26:33 <Navi_> KotCzarny is _always_ here
Apr 28 04:26:35 <zakkm> oh hi Navi_
Apr 28 04:26:49 <johnx> I think KotCzarny is two or three people who take shifts
Apr 28 04:26:58 <Navi> Most likely
Apr 28 04:27:04 <KotCzarny> johnx: night has no meaning on net
Apr 28 04:27:14 <KotCzarny> see some guy posting about ugt
Apr 28 04:27:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:27:17 <johnx> yeah, but sleep does
Apr 28 04:27:17 <KotCzarny> ~ugt
Apr 28 04:27:18 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Apr 28 04:28:01 <zakkm> created by a irc user who wants a excuse why their on so much.
Apr 28 04:28:15 <KotCzarny> no, to stop the flood
Apr 28 04:28:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 04:28:41 <KotCzarny> and arguments about night and day
Apr 28 04:28:52 <KotCzarny> well, more like morning and evening
Apr 28 04:29:12 <zakkm> well like i said i got class in five hours so im going to bed . ;D
Apr 28 04:29:27 <zakkm> any chance one of you guys can help me flash? tomorrow?
Apr 28 04:29:39 <zakkm> guide me through it? really great with steps?
Apr 28 04:30:03 <johnx> sure, we'll at least get you pointed in the right direction and answer questions
Apr 28 04:30:07 <WormFood> good afternoon everyone :P
Apr 28 04:30:15 <zakkm> Hi Wormfood
Apr 28 04:30:18 <johnx> 'mornin WormFood
Apr 28 04:30:32 <zakkm> johnx: yeah or link me to a guide would be great thanks :P
Apr 28 04:30:55 <zakkm> hey .. im on windows currently .. does flasher work on it?
Apr 28 04:31:00 <zakkm> i can install linux if necessary?
Apr 28 04:31:05 <zakkm> just would like to know
Apr 28 04:31:08 <johnx> you just use the normal windows software updater
Apr 28 04:31:13 <WormFood> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/
Apr 28 04:31:15 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 04:31:19 <johnx> click next a million times and specify a file
Apr 28 04:31:26 <zakkm> ah ok
Apr 28 04:31:31 <WormFood> I think a majority of users here use Linux
Apr 28 04:31:33 <zakkm> i downloaded it but i didnt have .net frame 2.0/2.5
Apr 28 04:31:37 <zakkm> so i didnt run
Apr 28 04:31:45 <zakkm> lol to lazy to dl .. i get it tomorrow
Apr 28 04:31:53 <zakkm> Wormfood: i do too .. but i needed windows for awhile
Apr 28 04:32:03 <zakkm> wine doesnt work too well for cinema4d ( animation app )
Apr 28 04:32:03 <WormFood> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithWindows/
Apr 28 04:32:10 <WormFood> use vmware
Apr 28 04:32:15 <zakkm> no lol
Apr 28 04:32:24 <zakkm> if anything i use virtualbox with seamless virtualization
Apr 28 04:32:39 <zakkm> and 2nd .. dont have AMD-V / whatever it is for Intel
Apr 28 04:32:43 <zakkm> so the speeds suck :P
Apr 28 04:32:54 <zakkm> and idk my partition system is weird
Apr 28 04:33:01 <zakkm> i got 8 partitions on a 160gb
Apr 28 04:33:06 <johnx> O_o
Apr 28 04:33:15 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 04:33:21 <zakkm> i dont delete.. i just shrink and create
Apr 28 04:33:26 <zakkm> i had more once
Apr 28 04:33:27 <johnx> ahaha
Apr 28 04:33:36 <zakkm> and its in like ext2, reiserfs, xfs, ntfs , no fat's ..
Apr 28 04:33:53 <zakkm> and then my 250gb .. i dont remember
Apr 28 04:33:57 <zakkm> the partition table is messed -.-
Apr 28 04:34:02 <zakkm> i think its 3 ntfs's and one xfs
Apr 28 04:34:02 <WormFood> the day microsoft makes a product that don't suck, is the day they make a vacuum
Apr 28 04:34:10 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 04:34:28 <zakkm> microsoft vaccuum .. to BSOD your house in a simple sweep :P
Apr 28 04:34:36 <zakkm> single sweep*
Apr 28 04:34:48 <zakkm> goodnight everyone ^^;;
Apr 28 04:34:51 <zakkm> thanks everyone ^^
Apr 28 04:34:56 <WormFood> good night zakkm
Apr 28 04:35:57 <WormFood> ok, lunch time for me
Apr 28 04:35:59 * johnx heads out as well...
Apr 28 04:38:16 <Italodance> hi hi hi hi
Apr 28 04:42:12 <acydlord> we need to port this to the n810 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/zealous_autoconfig.png
Apr 28 05:37:08 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Macbook%20Ballmer%20GI.jpg
Apr 28 05:37:42 <KotCzarny> shopped?
Apr 28 05:37:57 <doc|home> there's no way ballmer would be seen with a mac
Apr 28 05:38:01 <KotCzarny> ah, no
Apr 28 05:38:06 <KotCzarny> it looks like some school
Apr 28 05:38:15 <KotCzarny> schools usually use apples
Apr 28 05:38:26 <RST38h> probably shopped...
Apr 28 05:38:43 <RST38h> you mean school gave him a laptop? hmmm
Apr 28 05:38:47 <KotCzarny> there is no ballmer on a photo
Apr 28 05:39:01 <RST38h> there is ballmer at the presentation screen though...
Apr 28 05:39:07 <KotCzarny> only announcment
Apr 28 05:39:52 <RST38h> an dhe may be running vista on his mac!
Apr 28 05:40:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 05:40:21 <KotCzarny> more like xp?
Apr 28 05:40:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 05:40:30 <RST38h> heheh
Apr 28 05:41:53 <RST38h> 20fps!
Apr 28 07:06:49 <woodwizzle> Can I change the resolution of the n800
Apr 28 07:07:22 <woodwizzle> if for example I want to run at 400x240 to force pixel doubling
Apr 28 07:07:54 <KotCzarny> sure
Apr 28 07:08:22 <woodwizzle> really? I checked the display section of the control panel but I couldn't find it
Apr 28 07:08:36 <woodwizzle> really I just want to run particular apps at that res though if possible
Apr 28 07:08:36 <KotCzarny> ah, not system-wide
Apr 28 07:08:45 <KotCzarny> but if you are writing an app you can
Apr 28 07:09:33 <woodwizzle> how could I do it system wide? Edit  the xorg.conf?
Apr 28 07:09:46 <KotCzarny> it wouldn't work so well
Apr 28 07:10:00 <KotCzarny> res is hardcoded in many places i think
Apr 28 07:10:39 <KotCzarny> if you want to try how misc apps look at 480x800 install screen rotation hack
Apr 28 07:11:19 <woodwizzle> hehe, thats not exactly what i need =)
Apr 28 07:11:35 <KotCzarny> but you will see the problem with changing res system wide
Apr 28 07:11:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 07:12:17 <woodwizzle> oh i getcha
Apr 28 08:00:22 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Apr 28 08:00:31 <X-Fade> Morning.
Apr 28 08:21:59 <nomis> X-Fade: moin. How long does it usually take until uploaded packages end up in maemo-extras? I guess it is not a completely automated process?
Apr 28 08:33:37 <X-Fade> nomis: It is setup to run once per hour at least.
Apr 28 08:34:56 <nomis> X-Fade: mhm. Could you look if there is a aproblem with the statusbarclock upload?
Apr 28 08:35:41 <X-Fade> nomis: Ok, I'll have a look.
Apr 28 08:36:54 <nomis> X-Fade: thanks
Apr 28 08:36:58 <X-Fade> nomis: chinook?
Apr 28 08:37:02 <nomis> yes.
Apr 28 08:38:12 <X-Fade> It was accepted by the queuemanager and moved to extras.
Apr 28 08:38:41 <nomis> mhm, it does not seem to end up in the package list of my device.
Apr 28 08:39:08 <X-Fade> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages <- I see it here
Apr 28 08:39:30 <X-Fade> Filename: pool/chinook/free/s/statusbarclock/statusbarclock_0.8_armel.deb
Apr 28 08:39:30 <X-Fade> Size: 7622
Apr 28 08:39:30 <X-Fade> MD5sum: 1caf8c20e32901bfadc3549ec3167f01
Apr 28 08:40:06 <nomis> maybe the Section "user/utils" is obsolete.
Apr 28 08:40:29 <X-Fade> Do you see it with apt-get?
Apr 28 08:43:28 * nomis realizes that he did not yet enable root access...
Apr 28 08:43:41 <X-Fade> red pill?
Apr 28 08:44:07 <X-Fade> Let me try to install it.
Apr 28 08:46:02 <florian> good morning
Apr 28 08:46:40 <X-Fade> nomis: It is there and installed fine.
Apr 28 08:46:45 <nomis> X-Fade: ok, weird.
Apr 28 08:47:18 <X-Fade> And it was in utils.
Apr 28 08:50:07 <nomis> ok, seems my application manager is somehow messed up.
Apr 28 08:51:05 <nomis> Maybe it got confused by a locally installed package that suddenly turned up in a repository.
Apr 28 08:51:31 <X-Fade> nomis: Then it should only show up at installed applications.
Apr 28 08:51:51 <nomis> yeah, I tried to deinstall it and the app manager refused to do it properly though.
Apr 28 08:52:02 <nomis> After a restart of the device it worked then.
Apr 28 08:52:06 <nomis> X-Fade: thanks for looking.
Apr 28 08:53:05 <X-Fade> No problem. I want more people to upload to extras, I'll try to help debug problems when they try.
Apr 28 08:53:25 <nomis> X-Fade: I appreciate it.
Apr 28 08:53:55 <X-Fade> nomis: Can you try to upload your source package to the autobuilder too? So we can test it some more?
Apr 28 08:54:25 <nomis> X-Fade: can't it just get the source package from maemo-extras?
Apr 28 08:54:43 <nomis> (or am I missing the point?)
Apr 28 08:54:44 <X-Fade> nomis: Well, it is supposed to work the other way around ;)
Apr 28 08:54:55 <nomis> heh  :)
Apr 28 08:55:09 <nomis> ok, what would I have to do?
Apr 28 08:55:13 <X-Fade> Ideally you should only upload source packages and the autobuilder should do ther rest ;)
Apr 28 08:55:58 <X-Fade> The easiest way is the assistant: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php or you can use dput as described here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html
Apr 28 09:04:44 <nomis> X-Fade: I have some problems at the moment - my files are in an inconsistent state and I currently don't have the time at hand to fix this. However, I'll try to keep this in mind.
Apr 28 09:05:37 <X-Fade> nomis: Ok, no problem.
Apr 28 09:06:13 * nomis adds the chinook extras builder to dput.cf
Apr 28 10:09:37 <trickie_> AStorm: did changing the machine id in arch/arm/tools/mach-types allow you to boot a 2.6.25-omap1 kernel?
Apr 28 10:14:05 <AStorm> don't know yet
Apr 28 10:14:56 <AStorm> there is an id for N810
Apr 28 10:22:48 <hrw> morning
Apr 28 10:22:56 <johnx> 'mornin
Apr 28 10:23:15 <hrw> AStorm: how goes kernel?
Apr 28 10:25:24 <AStorm> hrw: it works in qemu, but not on the device
Apr 28 10:25:35 <AStorm> I'll send it to you for serial testing
Apr 28 10:26:10 <acydlord> this whole new church spires as cell towers thing kinda reeks of hypocircy to me
Apr 28 10:26:18 <acydlord> and i cant spell
Apr 28 10:26:37 <AStorm> acydlord: *speel ;)
Apr 28 10:28:01 <AStorm> hrw: I guess there's some bug in n810 init code, as the qemu emulates n800
Apr 28 10:28:23 <johnx> acydlord, yeah, I just read the article. The guy's an idiot.
Apr 28 10:28:27 <trickie_> AStorm: there is also a patch on the omap list to enable the TSC2301 drivers when using n800_defconfig
Apr 28 10:28:59 <acydlord> i'm looking through places on waymarking.com, and there are a ton of churches in az with cell towers as spires
Apr 28 10:29:19 <AStorm> trickie: I prob. have these in
Apr 28 10:29:22 <AStorm> will check
Apr 28 10:29:32 <AStorm> but the FB should still start w/o it
Apr 28 10:30:21 <trickie_> AStorm: yep, as long as you fix the machine id
Apr 28 10:31:00 <AStorm> machine ID is ok, duh
Apr 28 10:31:10 <AStorm> there is an ID for N810 inside
Apr 28 10:31:39 <johnx> trickie, probably the best way to soak up cell phone "radiation" is to put one up to your head when there aren't any towers nearby. The phone will boost the power on it's radio to try and reach towers that are barely within it's range
Apr 28 10:32:29 <AStorm> johnx: that and head is fairly resistant to radiation
Apr 28 10:32:37 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 28 10:32:55 <AStorm> trickie: nokia_n810              MACH_NOKIA_N810         NOKIA_N810              1548
Apr 28 10:32:59 <trickie_> AStorm: yep nokia bootlooder still passes development machine id, but i guess that was you who asked on the list :)
Apr 28 10:33:10 <trickie_> yep change that to 5555
Apr 28 10:33:29 <lardman> morning
Apr 28 10:34:01 <AStorm> ok
Apr 28 10:34:06 <AStorm> Yay, fixing...
Apr 28 10:34:16 <pupnik_> how many milliwatt do cellphones emit?
Apr 28 10:34:36 <pupnik_> and would having a 802.11 antenna close to body be dangerous? :)
Apr 28 10:34:53 <acydlord> which 802.11 revision?
Apr 28 10:34:55 <AStorm> pupnik_: up to 100mW
Apr 28 10:35:13 <AStorm> 802.11 might produce burns if it's powerful enough
Apr 28 10:35:17 <AStorm> microwaves ;P
Apr 28 10:35:32 <johnx> er...I thought older analog phones would go up to almost a full watt
Apr 28 10:35:40 <acydlord> my old wrt-g was pushing 2.4ghz @ 400mW
Apr 28 10:35:41 <johnx> 802.11 is like an order of magnitude less
Apr 28 10:35:51 <AStorm> trickie_: YAY, SUCCESS!!!!!!
Apr 28 10:35:56 <johnx> woo!
Apr 28 10:35:56 <AStorm> now I'm in the shell
Apr 28 10:35:57 <aquatix> acydlord: you can tweak those i think
Apr 28 10:35:57 <trickie_> wooo
Apr 28 10:36:00 <johnx> AStorm, it lives?!
Apr 28 10:36:07 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 10:36:10 <aquatix> acydlord: at least, i have firmware in which i can set the wattage
Apr 28 10:36:17 <acydlord> yeah aquatix it was origionally at 170mW
Apr 28 10:36:17 <AStorm> hrw: the machine ID was wrong
Apr 28 10:36:20 <aquatix> it's about 70mW
Apr 28 10:36:22 <johnx> AStorm, that's awesome. congrats
Apr 28 10:36:26 <aquatix> acydlord: ouch
Apr 28 10:36:27 <aquatix> :)
Apr 28 10:36:39 <AStorm> now, time for more hax
Apr 28 10:36:46 <acydlord> 400mW on a router supposedly violates fcc regs
Apr 28 10:36:57 <AStorm> no, it doesn't
Apr 28 10:37:18 <AStorm> they must pass special tests then
Apr 28 10:37:18 <trickie_> AStorm: well machine id was right, nokia shipped a bootloader still using the development machine id
Apr 28 10:37:25 <AStorm> owned
Apr 28 10:37:28 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 10:37:31 <trickie_> :)
Apr 28 10:38:03 <AStorm> ~lart Nokia bootloader
Apr 28 10:38:03 * infobot cuts off Nokia bootloader's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper
Apr 28 10:38:35 <AStorm> I could set the machine id with the flasher, right?
Apr 28 10:38:51 <trickie_> not sure
Apr 28 10:38:59 <trickie_> don't have my dev setup here at work
Apr 28 10:39:01 <acydlord> oh snap, 802.11 is allowed to be 1watt or less
Apr 28 10:39:11 <AStorm> acydlord: yup
Apr 28 10:39:23 <aquatix> wow
Apr 28 10:39:25 <AStorm> but it has to be defocused then
Apr 28 10:39:31 <acydlord> 1watt or less with <=6dbi gain
Apr 28 10:39:37 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 10:39:38 <aquatix> i could swamp my neighbourhood with signal with that
Apr 28 10:39:46 <AStorm> nope
Apr 28 10:39:57 <AStorm> too unfocused
Apr 28 10:40:07 <aquatix> small neighbourhood :P
Apr 28 10:40:11 <AStorm> hhehehe
Apr 28 10:40:21 <aquatix> at 70mW i already have a really decent reception
Apr 28 10:40:35 <acydlord> i think my previous setup may be in violation of the fcc regs
Apr 28 10:40:42 <acydlord> 400mW with a 12dbi
Apr 28 10:40:44 <trickie_> AStorm: if you can specify machine id in the cmdline then yes
Apr 28 10:41:39 <AStorm> I can specify something called hw revision
Apr 28 10:41:51 <AStorm> is that it?
Apr 28 10:42:01 <AStorm> nah, not
Apr 28 10:42:06 <trickie_> nah
Apr 28 10:42:12 <trickie_> i think thats RX-34 etc
Apr 28 10:42:15 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 10:42:31 <AStorm> acydlord: no, it's not
Apr 28 10:42:41 <acydlord> yeah, i borked my math
Apr 28 10:42:51 <acydlord> big time
Apr 28 10:42:58 <AStorm> I'd love to have 1W at high dbi
Apr 28 10:43:06 <AStorm> microwave gun anyone? :P
Apr 28 10:43:21 <aquatix> fry that annoying neighbour from a distance :)
Apr 28 10:43:36 <acydlord> tesla deathray?
Apr 28 10:43:38 <AStorm> well, air attenuates microwaves
Apr 28 10:43:43 <AStorm> acydlord: no, microwave
Apr 28 10:44:29 <AStorm> 100W focused emitter would be quite a hurt ;P
Apr 28 10:44:34 <acydlord> yeah
Apr 28 10:44:43 <Cptn-N800> Someone port notepad to maemo and let it import any file no matter if it think it will work or not :/
Apr 28 10:45:00 <AStorm> Cptn-N800: use less
Apr 28 10:45:03 <AStorm> or vim
Apr 28 10:45:13 <acydlord> or leafpad
Apr 28 10:45:22 <AStorm> and I think gedit is available too
Apr 28 10:45:39 <Cptn-N800> I need to open a opml file as text
Apr 28 10:45:48 <aquatix> geany!
Apr 28 10:46:24 <AStorm> acydlord: crispy people
Apr 28 10:46:40 <acydlord> 1000W with a high gain
Apr 28 10:46:43 <AStorm> we had to heavily shield a 5W emitter for testing ;P
Apr 28 10:47:24 <AStorm> acydlord: well, you mean, like, rip out and focus the emitter from microwave oven? ;P
Apr 28 10:47:32 <AStorm> but that wouldn't be portable
Apr 28 10:47:35 <acydlord> true
Apr 28 10:47:39 <AStorm> at least, not man-portable
Apr 28 10:47:57 <acydlord> i once watched someone almost walk in front of a wan dish on top of the asu engineering building
Apr 28 10:48:06 * AStorm huggles trickie 
Apr 28 10:48:11 <AStorm> thanks once again
Apr 28 10:48:54 <trickie_> he he
Apr 28 10:48:55 <trickie_> np
Apr 28 10:49:12 <trickie_> the video driver is still borked IIRC
Apr 28 10:49:20 <trickie_> so i might have a bash at fixing that up
Apr 28 10:49:21 <AStorm> ok,time to check if the hacked wifi driver works
Apr 28 10:49:39 <AStorm> well, it doesn't respond to manual update ioctls?
Apr 28 10:49:43 <aquatix> acydlord: reminds me of stories of the ground radar we have here
Apr 28 10:50:01 <aquatix> you don't want to walk in front of that when it's on full power ;)
Apr 28 10:50:04 <trickie_> it doesn't build
Apr 28 10:50:08 <acydlord> lol
Apr 28 10:50:17 <aquatix> birds falling out of the sky and such :/
Apr 28 10:50:17 <AStorm> trickie_: the omap2 one does
Apr 28 10:50:26 <AStorm> omap24xx-cam that is
Apr 28 10:50:29 <AStorm> after I patched it
Apr 28 10:50:36 <AStorm> want the patch? (real simple)
Apr 28 10:50:47 <AStorm> I've a patch for bluetooth too
Apr 28 10:51:19 <trickie_> AStorm: sure...
Apr 28 10:51:56 <AStorm> http://www.wklej.org/id/85144521fe - the full diff vs head
Apr 28 10:52:18 <trickie_> AStorm: ta
Apr 28 10:52:27 <acydlord> man i hope they atleast add a 1mp or greater cam to the next IT
Apr 28 10:52:45 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 10:52:58 <AStorm> and rotatable one?
Apr 28 10:53:05 <AStorm> (like in N800, but better)
Apr 28 10:53:16 <qwerty12> N800 one was fine.
Apr 28 10:53:21 <qwerty12> Rotation wise that is.
Apr 28 10:53:24 <johnx> hopefully they have some better surplus cams this time :D
Apr 28 10:53:38 <acydlord> the cam on the n95 would be nice
Apr 28 10:53:53 <trickie_> AStorm: thanks, i had similar changes except for the video driver...
Apr 28 10:54:09 <trickie_> AStorm: you should get them merged in linux-omap1
Apr 28 10:54:51 <hrw> AStorm: hw revision is version of n800/n810 ardware
Apr 28 10:55:08 <hrw> AStorm: n810 has 801/2/3/4 and 901/2 iirc versions
Apr 28 10:55:10 <AStorm> hrw: yes... there's no easy way to set that ID
Apr 28 10:55:17 <AStorm> 805 too :>
Apr 28 10:55:48 <AStorm> trickie_: I will post the patch to the list after splitting it up
Apr 28 10:56:39 <hrw> AStorm: so which kernel youhave? 2.6.25-omap?
Apr 28 10:57:40 <AStorm> now, 2.6.25-omap1
Apr 28 10:57:45 <trickie_> AStorm: cool
Apr 28 10:58:23 <AStorm> Ok, time for more hacking and disabling of initramfs
Apr 28 10:58:32 <AStorm> let it load one from OneNAND :>
Apr 28 10:58:38 <trickie_> AStorm: my MMC driver is busted also... but i haven't had a chance to look into it yet
Apr 28 10:58:58 <AStorm> hm?
Apr 28 10:59:04 <AStorm> I think it isn't that broken
Apr 28 10:59:20 <AStorm> If you mean 2.6.21-nokia-ported, then yes, that needs work to port
Apr 28 10:59:35 <AStorm> git couldn't pick up the renames
Apr 28 10:59:39 <trickie_> nah just mainline one
Apr 28 10:59:49 <AStorm> hmm?
Apr 28 10:59:50 <trickie_> haven't played too much since the other day
Apr 28 11:00:30 <AStorm> btw, I wondered why the serial console wasn't working
Apr 28 11:00:33 * AStorm headdesks
Apr 28 11:00:38 <AStorm> STI was disabled
Apr 28 11:00:44 <hrw> ;D
Apr 28 11:00:47 <trickie_> :)
Apr 28 11:01:03 <trickie_> well, back to work for me, good luck
Apr 28 11:01:19 * hrw waits for memtest to finish
Apr 28 11:06:17 <AStorm> btw, Menelaus seems to have an RTC built-in
Apr 28 11:08:21 <trickie_> AStorm: you going to linuxtag?
Apr 28 11:08:23 <hrw> AStorm: do you have your git tree published somewhere?
Apr 28 11:09:14 <AStorm> trickie_: sorry, can't
Apr 28 11:09:20 <AStorm> hrw: it's normal linux-omap head
Apr 28 11:09:23 <AStorm> plus that patch
Apr 28 11:09:26 <AStorm> so no need for it yet :>
Apr 28 11:09:34 <hrw> AStorm: btw - where are you from?
Apr 28 11:10:53 <AStorm> hrw: ofc PL
Apr 28 11:11:08 <AStorm> currently in Warsaw, but from Gorzów Wielkopolski
Apr 28 11:11:10 <hrw> AStorm: .pl is big country...
Apr 28 11:11:18 * hrw in Poznañ now
Apr 28 11:12:22 <AStorm> I'll go home for the national holidays, not that far
Apr 28 11:13:37 <hrw> I will drive through Gorzów on Saturday
Apr 28 11:14:21 <AStorm> hm
Apr 28 11:14:46 <hrw> but no break there
Apr 28 11:14:49 <AStorm> I'll test if kexec works :>
Apr 28 11:14:53 <AStorm> no problem
Apr 28 11:14:56 <qwerty12> AStorm, great :)
Apr 28 11:15:03 <AStorm> a pity I won't be able to go to LinuxTag
Apr 28 11:15:10 <AStorm> exams then ;P
Apr 28 11:15:41 <qwerty12> I've got my mock exams this week.
Apr 28 11:16:45 <AStorm> hmm, omap24xx-cam uses a bit unsafe spinlocking scheme ;P
Apr 28 11:17:44 <AStorm> while tsc2102 does something weird with hwmon_remove_device
Apr 28 11:19:45 <AStorm> ok, MMC code is broken
Apr 28 11:19:49 <AStorm> got a BUG
Apr 28 11:20:11 <AStorm> need to grab that off the device
Apr 28 11:20:11 <Cptn-N800> Maemo bugspray
Apr 28 11:21:02 <AStorm> I wonder if netconsole will work
Apr 28 11:21:19 <hrw> AStorm: over usbnet?
Apr 28 11:21:39 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 11:21:43 <AStorm> over g_ether
Apr 28 11:21:57 <hrw> interesting use
Apr 28 11:22:14 <hrw> I have usb ethernet dongle
Apr 28 11:22:41 <AStorm> I have one too
Apr 28 11:22:53 <AStorm> but I don't have a gender bender cable yet
Apr 28 11:23:37 <hrw> I have to buy one too
Apr 28 11:23:38 <AStorm> oh shi*
Apr 28 11:23:47 <AStorm> the device now has the battery discharged
Apr 28 11:23:55 <hrw> then will check how maemo handle all my usb devices at once
Apr 28 11:29:47 <AStorm> hmm, something happened here
Apr 28 11:29:56 <AStorm> I can't get the device to respond to USB
Apr 28 11:29:57 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 11:30:07 <AStorm> e.g. for flashing
Apr 28 11:30:31 <hrw> thats punishment for tryiung newqer kernels
Apr 28 11:30:36 <AStorm> naaah
Apr 28 11:30:42 <AStorm> that should be handled by NOLO
Apr 28 11:31:01 <AStorm> the problem is that I only get the Nokia screen for a short while
Apr 28 11:31:09 <AStorm> I suspect the battery is discharged
Apr 28 11:31:24 <AStorm> but, will it charge with the device off?
Apr 28 11:31:24 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 11:31:26 <hrw> AStorm: try to boot poky instead of maemo
Apr 28 11:31:35 <trickie_> i had no issue flashing 2.6.25-omap1
Apr 28 11:31:40 <trickie_> but then my battery was full
Apr 28 11:31:41 <AStorm> hrw: if you tell me how to flash it *now* then... ;P
Apr 28 11:31:41 <hrw> AStorm: first boot 2.6.21, charge battery
Apr 28 11:31:48 <AStorm> hrw: first flash 2.6.21?
Apr 28 11:31:54 <AStorm> whoops, Alderson loop
Apr 28 11:32:07 <AStorm> I have a problem here ;P
Apr 28 11:32:21 <hrw> AStorm: flash 2.6.21 to check battery, charge it (no control charge on !maemo)
Apr 28 11:32:29 <acydlord> anyone know how to change the "Home" location in mapper?
Apr 28 11:32:30 <AStorm> ...
Apr 28 11:32:30 <hrw> AStorm: how to flash when usb is not responding?
Apr 28 11:32:48 <AStorm> hrw: the problem is that the device is shutting down because of lack of power
Apr 28 11:32:58 <AStorm> and I can't charge it
Apr 28 11:33:14 <hrw> AStorm: and you do not have oter device with this battery\
Apr 28 11:33:19 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 11:33:25 <trickie_> oh no
Apr 28 11:33:38 <johnx> ugh...an external battery charger may be in your future...
Apr 28 11:33:43 <hrw> AStorm: you are grounded
Apr 28 11:33:49 <AStorm> hrw: not nearly so
Apr 28 11:33:59 <AStorm> I could buy a new battery (wanted to do that anyway ;P )
Apr 28 11:33:59 <hrw> AStorm: go to gsm shops and buy 3rdparty charger for battery
Apr 28 11:34:10 <AStorm> there are none, I've checked many
Apr 28 11:34:20 <AStorm> there aren't any on the net, even
Apr 28 11:34:22 <qwerty12> Buy a new phone? :p
Apr 28 11:34:36 <AStorm> qwerty12: lol
Apr 28 11:34:40 <AStorm> 1500 PLN
Apr 28 11:34:53 <AStorm> or an expensive plan
Apr 28 11:35:05 <AStorm> I will buy one, but in June
Apr 28 11:35:42 <AStorm> I could buy a battery and hope it's pre-charged :>
Apr 28 11:35:53 <hrw> AStorm: bad luck then. for bl-5c there were chargers on allegro
Apr 28 11:36:01 <AStorm> yep
Apr 28 11:36:13 <AStorm> I could actually adapt bl-5c to bl-4c
Apr 28 11:36:19 <qwerty12>  I find if I have usb and charger plugged in, I get usb connection for a few seconds. Any chance of letting flasher run?
Apr 28 11:36:19 <AStorm> the difference is in size I think
Apr 28 11:36:32 <AStorm> qwerty12: I don't
Apr 28 11:36:40 <qwerty12> :(
Apr 28 11:36:41 <AStorm> it crashes after some 5s
Apr 28 11:37:20 * AStorm feels so stupid about forgetting to charge the battery
Apr 28 11:37:42 <hrw> 1.6GHz pentium M + 5400rpm harddrive is killing combo...
Apr 28 11:38:08 <hrw> upgrading system (537MB of packages) + git pull (600k revs) + unpacking kernel tarball == slow mess
Apr 28 11:38:15 <AStorm> I know what I could do
Apr 28 11:38:28 <AStorm> ask some gsm shop owner to let me charge the battery ;P
Apr 28 11:38:38 <hrw> yep
Apr 28 11:38:55 <qwerty12> Are they kinder in Poland than over here? I bet in East London, I'd have to pay :P
Apr 28 11:39:06 <AStorm> I'd probably have to pay here too
Apr 28 11:39:11 <AStorm> it depends on the shop
Apr 28 11:39:13 <johnx> if I was closer I'd offer to mail you a charged battery in return for your flat one...
Apr 28 11:39:26 <johnx> any friends with Nokia phones?
Apr 28 11:39:29 <hrw> AStorm: or find who from your friends has phone with tose batteries
Apr 28 11:39:43 <AStorm> hrw: I'll ask, why not
Apr 28 11:39:50 <AStorm> but the problem might be, that phone is in use ;P
Apr 28 11:40:12 <AStorm> the hell
Apr 28 11:40:20 <AStorm> this Nokia automatically now blinks
Apr 28 11:40:25 <hrw> worht check anyywa
Apr 28 11:40:26 <AStorm> charger is trying to get it up
Apr 28 11:40:50 <AStorm> I'll better disconnect it before it destroys the battery
Apr 28 11:41:15 <qwerty12> You don't have any serial flasher cables lying around? :/
Apr 28 11:41:48 <AStorm> I won't be able to flash the kernel in 2s
Apr 28 11:41:59 <AStorm> (the initrd does have dsme and bme working)
Apr 28 11:43:12 <AStorm> is the BP-4L a smart battery with charge mechanism built in?
Apr 28 11:43:26 <AStorm> I mean, only provide stable 3,7V and it will charge?
Apr 28 11:44:04 <qwerty12> I think it's a bit of a stupid system, having charging depend on initfs. (not even the initfs, it boots into full system). If my W810 is EROM dead, (useless without service cable), it will still charge at lower voltage but not come on.
Apr 28 11:44:30 <hrw> qwerty12: software charging control is cheaper then hardware?
Apr 28 11:44:35 <johnx> yeah, Nokia's charging system seems a little braindead...
Apr 28 11:44:37 <AStorm> not much cheaper
Apr 28 11:45:38 <johnx> "not much cheaper" x "lots of devices" = "a decent chunk of cash"
Apr 28 11:46:19 <trickie_> well im gonna charge by battery as soon as i get home :)
Apr 28 11:46:39 <qwerty12> I think johnx got it there. As for me, I'm still having trouble with sb1 and hardy. I've fixed vmware to run in hardy so I'm gonna jack the sbox out of that.
Apr 28 11:46:41 * trickie_ hopes there is still enough juice to flash 2.6.21 kernel
Apr 28 11:47:02 <AStorm> here? not
Apr 28 11:47:04 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 11:47:19 <trickie_> damn
Apr 28 11:47:50 <johnx> well at least the battery is "user replaceable"
Apr 28 11:48:02 <AStorm> a generic li-poly charger costs like, 20$
Apr 28 11:48:19 <qwerty12> Yeah, imagine if that happened on iphone...
Apr 28 11:49:32 <Navi> \o/
Apr 28 11:50:43 <Navi> Everyone knows that you need to pay for warranty to replace your battery
Apr 28 11:50:52 <Navi> That's the best way to do it
Apr 28 11:52:02 <johnx> there's nothing like the seamless user experience of being without your phone for a couple weeks just 'cause your battery died :)
Apr 28 11:52:07 <Navi> It's only US$69 for two years, after all.
Apr 28 11:52:27 <Navi> Lol
Apr 28 11:53:16 <Navi> Ha, It's US$60 + $7 shipping to replace your battery out of warranty
Apr 28 11:53:23 <AStorm> Ok, I know now how Li-Poly should be charged
Apr 28 11:53:25 <Navi> What a rip
Apr 28 11:53:35 <AStorm> 0,8-1 * Vc
Apr 28 11:53:47 <AStorm> until it's rated voltage (3,7-4V)
Apr 28 11:54:09 <AStorm> then charged with that voltage until the current falls below 100mA
Apr 28 11:54:27 <AStorm> Vc is capacity in Ah, but in volts
Apr 28 11:55:01 <AStorm> maybe 0,5C even
Apr 28 11:55:17 <AStorm> I could charge it... from battery then, at least partially
Apr 28 11:55:28 <AStorm> attach 1,5V AA
Apr 28 11:55:55 <AStorm> that might be too much
Apr 28 11:56:03 <AStorm> maybe even 1,2V might be too much
Apr 28 11:56:28 <AStorm> but that's at least close
Apr 28 11:57:25 * qwerty12 now goes to mount vmware image in Ubuntu. he realises he needs to be careful as he messed up a working sbox install in 7.10 by copying badly.
Apr 28 11:57:57 <Navi> :P
Apr 28 12:39:43 <AStorm> hmm, it should be possible to charge that Li-Poly with a standard single NiMH
Apr 28 12:39:55 <AStorm> the question remains: what will be the current?
Apr 28 12:41:36 <RST38h> more current! MORE CURRENT!
Apr 28 12:51:42 <Juhaz> eh?
Apr 28 12:52:56 <Juhaz> you've got 3700mAh "standard NiMH"? that's what it would take to get charge the lipo, even if we took the rather unrealistic assumption that it's 100% efficient
Apr 28 12:55:22 <Juhaz> remember the voltages are different, just because you see huge-looking amper hour ratings on nimh batteries doesn't mean they hold as much energy.
Apr 28 12:56:11 <X-Fade> Juhaz: He just needs a little bit of charge in his battery to be able to flash the right kernel back into his device.
Apr 28 12:58:28 <Juhaz> ah, didn't read the first part of the discussion. sounds like spectacularly bad idea...
Apr 28 12:58:45 <X-Fade> Heh :)
Apr 28 12:59:35 <johnx> charging "raw" li-po or li-ion cells like that is a recipe for disaster, but if it's a smart cell it should just need the right voltage and "do the right thing"
Apr 28 13:00:07 <johnx> emphasis on *should*
Apr 28 13:04:43 <Juhaz> get a friend with 810/e61i/e90 to charge it?
Apr 28 13:13:55 <AStorm> Juhaz: find me one
Apr 28 13:14:01 <AStorm> it's not sold in this country
Apr 28 13:14:24 <AStorm> finding a friend with a proper phone would be easier
Apr 28 13:15:05 <X-Fade> AStorm: Get a battery from ebay for a few bucks? :) I'm pretty sure it woudn't burst into flames before you have flashed your kernel. After that though...
Apr 28 13:17:25 <AStorm> X-Fade: e-bay in Poland? you must be kidding me
Apr 28 13:17:26 <inz> AStorm, can't you plug it in charger for the flashing?
Apr 28 13:17:29 <AStorm> BP-4L, baybe
Apr 28 13:17:38 <AStorm> inz: no, it starts from battery
Apr 28 13:17:47 <AStorm> the charger is enabled later
Apr 28 13:17:50 <hrw> X-Fade: there is e-bay in Poland but nearly no one sells there
Apr 28 13:17:52 <AStorm> braindamage
Apr 28 13:18:04 <inz> AStorm, doesn't it even help it to stay alive?
Apr 28 13:18:09 <AStorm> slightly
Apr 28 13:18:15 <AStorm> I managed to flash the nokia kernel
Apr 28 13:18:18 <AStorm> but not the initfs
Apr 28 13:18:21 <X-Fade> AStorm: 11 dollar for 2 batteries SHIPPED from hong kong ;)
Apr 28 13:18:23 <inz> doh
Apr 28 13:18:32 <Juhaz> throw in another buck and you'll get standalone charger with that knockoff battery, which might even work...
Apr 28 13:18:39 <X-Fade> That is an insane price ;)
Apr 28 13:18:40 <AStorm> X-Fade: I'd rather take my chances and charge using NiMH
Apr 28 13:18:43 <hrw> X-Fade: 100mA ones?
Apr 28 13:18:51 <X-Fade> hrw: 1500 mah..
Apr 28 13:18:54 <AStorm> 1000mAh -> about 500mA charge at 1,2V
Apr 28 13:18:57 <X-Fade> Or so they claim..
Apr 28 13:19:02 <AStorm> shouldn't kill the battery
Apr 28 13:19:14 <hrw> X-Fade: too often 1500mAh those batteries has on sticker only
Apr 28 13:19:14 <Atarii> are you polish AStorm?
Apr 28 13:19:18 <AStorm> (lowering to 200mA)
Apr 28 13:19:31 <X-Fade> AStorm: Lipos are normally charged at about 1C.
Apr 28 13:19:31 <AStorm> Atarii: no, I'm Javanese? Sure, Polish.
Apr 28 13:19:45 <AStorm> X-Fade: you mean voltage or current?
Apr 28 13:19:45 <X-Fade> AStorm: Anything lower should not be a problem..
Apr 28 13:19:59 <X-Fade> current.
Apr 28 13:20:01 <qwerty12> Everyone asks AStorm if he is from Poland :p
Apr 28 13:20:09 <AStorm> mhm, so 1A shouldn't be a problem
Apr 28 13:20:23 <AStorm> so, I can charge it with NiMH
Apr 28 13:20:26 <X-Fade> AStorm: But that is for lipos without circuits..
Apr 28 13:20:35 <AStorm> no problem then anyway
Apr 28 13:20:48 <AStorm> it should accept the low current
Apr 28 13:21:02 <AStorm> and 0,8C voltage
Apr 28 13:21:18 <AStorm> but, I don't have proper cables on me
Apr 28 13:21:34 <AStorm> let's see if I can find some
Apr 28 13:21:38 <X-Fade> AStorm: Paperclip?
Apr 28 13:21:42 <X-Fade> ;)
Apr 28 13:21:45 <AStorm> X-Fade: ;P
Apr 28 13:21:47 <AStorm> good idea
Apr 28 13:22:00 <AStorm> but attaching that to the power port will be hard
Apr 28 13:23:11 <X-Fade> Nah, you are setting yourself up for a short that way..
Apr 28 13:23:18 <AStorm> yes, exactly
Apr 28 13:23:26 <AStorm> I could use some duct tape for isolation
Apr 28 13:23:38 <X-Fade> And shorting lipos is NOT what you want to do..
Apr 28 13:23:43 <AStorm> I know
Apr 28 13:25:37 <AStorm> haha, battery portals are large enough to NOT short them
Apr 28 13:25:46 <AStorm> and enter normal paperclip in
Apr 28 13:25:54 <AStorm> this is weird...
Apr 28 13:26:18 * X-Fade shouldn't have proposed the paperclip ;)
Apr 28 13:26:41 <trickie_> :)
Apr 28 13:27:11 <X-Fade> Perpaps you can also set 3 batteries in series in parellel over your battery ;)
Apr 28 13:27:28 <Juhaz> you could also try dynamite
Apr 28 13:27:28 <X-Fade> Oh, there I go again..
Apr 28 13:27:39 * RST38h wonders whether it is better to encourage AStorm's plans or talk him away form them
Apr 28 13:27:43 <Juhaz> please tell you've at least got protective glasses when you blow it up?
Apr 28 13:27:59 <trickie_> AStorm: if worst comes to worst, you can mail it to me (amsterdam) and ill charge it for you
Apr 28 13:28:02 <RST38h> From the natural selection point of view, I mean...
Apr 28 13:28:23 <AStorm> nah, Li-Poly won't explode that violently
Apr 28 13:28:32 <AStorm> and I've got a voltmeter on me
Apr 28 13:28:34 <AStorm> ;>
Apr 28 13:28:41 <X-Fade> AStorm: Proabably only give a big flame.
Apr 28 13:28:47 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 13:28:48 <RST38h> It will burn, very big and hot flame too
Apr 28 13:28:59 <X-Fade> It only explodes when it can't release the presure..
Apr 28 13:29:03 <AStorm> and hard to extinguish
Apr 28 13:29:11 <AStorm> lithium, water aggravates it ;P
Apr 28 13:29:13 <RST38h> And if you also drop it into the water....
Apr 28 13:29:23 <RST38h> Yea, AStorm, go ahead, by all means
Apr 28 13:29:25 <AStorm> RST38h: I'm NOT stupid, thank you ;)
Apr 28 13:29:33 <RST38h> Do set up a webcam, will ya? =)
Apr 28 13:29:48 <AStorm> I have one, but not the correct paperclips
Apr 28 13:29:57 <AStorm> wait till I set up the gear
Apr 28 13:30:03 <RST38h> BTW, pretty much all Li-based batteries are smart
Apr 28 13:30:17 <AStorm> shiz
Apr 28 13:30:26 <RST38h> Exactly to prevent this kind of accidents
Apr 28 13:30:34 <X-Fade> RST38h: Not the ones I use for my RC heli. Those are regular bombs ;)
Apr 28 13:30:40 <AStorm> forgot I gave all the AAA NiMH to my brother
Apr 28 13:30:52 <AStorm> or maybe not all, better check
Apr 28 13:31:11 <AStorm> yeah, have some 800mAh still
Apr 28 13:32:16 <AStorm> have to charge them still
Apr 28 13:32:29 <AStorm> so wait a few hours ;P
Apr 28 13:33:00 <trickie_> he he http://www.metacafe.com/watch/788668/worlds_most_dangerous_battery/
Apr 28 13:33:08 <trickie_> god i hope mine still has charge
Apr 28 13:35:14 <AStorm> hehehe
Apr 28 13:35:22 <AStorm> actually, that won't happen
Apr 28 13:35:31 <AStorm> I'll charge with a max current of 800mA
Apr 28 13:35:45 <X-Fade> This way of overcharging is prevented by the circuit inside the battery.
Apr 28 13:35:47 <AStorm> which is just above 0,5C
Apr 28 13:36:01 <AStorm> and voltage of 1,2V, which is close to 0,8C
Apr 28 13:36:06 <AStorm> so, this can't happen
Apr 28 13:36:11 <AStorm> it won't charge fully of course
Apr 28 13:36:22 <X-Fade> AStorm: If it charges at all ;)
Apr 28 13:36:26 <AStorm> it should
Apr 28 13:36:36 <AStorm> unless I need a voltage step-up
Apr 28 13:36:43 <AStorm> then I can use these in series
Apr 28 13:37:40 <AStorm> usually the charge is increasing voltage, then decreasing current
Apr 28 13:38:07 <AStorm> aka, CC-CV
Apr 28 13:38:35 <AStorm> the problem is that I can't provide smoothly increasing voltage
Apr 28 13:38:36 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 13:40:01 <AStorm> wait, do I have a potentiometer on me?
Apr 28 13:41:45 <aquatix> AStorm: wet fingers?
Apr 28 13:41:51 <aquatix> tounge?
Apr 28 13:41:51 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 13:41:55 <AStorm> no and no
Apr 28 13:41:59 <AStorm> ...
Apr 28 13:42:04 <aquatix> you don't have your tounge on you?
Apr 28 13:42:05 <aquatix> hm :)
Apr 28 13:42:10 <AStorm> I need resistance, not conductance
Apr 28 13:42:23 <aquatix> ah :)
Apr 28 13:42:35 <elb> wet fingers and a tongue are both rather resistive ;-)
Apr 28 13:42:41 <aquatix> put some rubbers over your tounge
Apr 28 13:42:45 <aquatix> *tongue
Apr 28 13:42:48 * aquatix can't type today
Apr 28 13:42:51 <AStorm> elb: not that much
Apr 28 13:43:05 <AStorm> aquatix: that would be a capacitor, dummy
Apr 28 13:43:26 <aquatix> potayto potahto :P
Apr 28 13:43:33 * aquatix is more a software person ;)
Apr 28 13:45:14 <AStorm> ok, I fail, I have no potentiometer on hand
Apr 28 13:45:23 <AStorm> will have to go to the lab tomorrow and borrow one
Apr 28 13:45:35 <AStorm> added benefit is availability of scopes
Apr 28 13:46:09 <elb> I guess it's all relative
Apr 28 13:46:13 <AStorm> and proper connectors
Apr 28 13:46:39 <AStorm> plus I'll get all the dumb cheap elements I can, so can build a rudimentary full charge circuit
Apr 28 13:47:16 <X-Fade> AStorm: Another option is to warm your battery up to get that little extra power.
Apr 28 13:47:26 <X-Fade> But don't warm it up too much ;)
Apr 28 13:47:28 <AStorm> X-Fade: and destroy it too? yeah sure :>
Apr 28 13:47:37 <AStorm> actually, s/warm/cool/ ;)
Apr 28 13:47:45 <RST38h> AStormL You are already well on your way toward destroying the battery
Apr 28 13:47:54 <RST38h> Sooner, later, who cares? :)
Apr 28 13:48:21 <AStorm> RST38h: well, battery isn't that expensive
Apr 28 13:48:25 <AStorm> 150 PLN or so
Apr 28 13:48:30 <AStorm> for original Nokia one
Apr 28 13:49:16 <AStorm> I could actually power on that Nokia using controlled DC power unit
Apr 28 13:49:35 <X-Fade> AStorm: Nope.
Apr 28 13:49:35 <AStorm> if in the lab
Apr 28 13:49:53 <AStorm> but I don't have any USB around there I think
Apr 28 13:50:06 <AStorm> would have to bring the laptop in
Apr 28 13:50:11 <X-Fade> AStorm: The device somehow detects the battery.
Apr 28 13:50:19 <AStorm> nah, it doesn't
Apr 28 13:50:24 <AStorm> there's *no* control port ;)
Apr 28 13:50:53 <AStorm> it detects the battery by measuring proper impendance
Apr 28 13:51:00 <AStorm> and I can fake that
Apr 28 13:51:24 <X-Fade> AStorm: What it the 3rd pole for?
Apr 28 13:51:44 <X-Fade> *is
Apr 28 13:51:45 <AStorm> ground
Apr 28 13:52:06 <AStorm> or earth, if you will
Apr 28 13:52:32 <AStorm> I wonder if Li-Ion 600mAh 3,7V charger would do ;P
Apr 28 13:52:43 <AStorm> I have one (cell phone, dumdedum) on me
Apr 28 13:53:19 <AStorm> so, now need 3 cables
Apr 28 13:53:29 <AStorm> at worst, the cell phone will explode ;P
Apr 28 13:53:43 <AStorm> it's cheap old junk anyway
Apr 28 13:54:17 <aquatix> you have your goggles on you?
Apr 28 13:54:27 <RST38h> UIQ FastTrack event
Apr 28 13:54:34 <RST38h> Boston 15-16 may
Apr 28 13:54:55 <AStorm> aquatix: I do wear glasses
Apr 28 13:54:57 * RST38h wonders when they will figure out it is not worth to send this spam
Apr 28 13:56:06 <AStorm> when hell freezes over
Apr 28 13:56:34 <AStorm> ... need cables ...
Apr 28 13:57:14 <Atarii> http://mojocafe.net/ is pretty sweet on the 770
Apr 28 14:11:59 <Khertan> Hi everyone !
Apr 28 14:12:20 <Navi_> Hi!
Apr 28 14:12:46 <Paulius> Hey guys. I have a Nokia 770 and I'm being adventurous. I'm about to flash it to OS 2007 hacker edition using the Windows Nokia Upater/flasher tool. Is there anything else I need to know?
Apr 28 14:12:50 <X-Fade> Does anybody know what software is used for packages.debian.org and if where the code is available? My google skills are obviously lacking..
Apr 28 14:13:07 <Paulius> I've also realized that there's a download for OS 2008 hacker edition. Should I try that too or is it too unstable and slow on the 770?
Apr 28 14:16:14 <Atarii> Paulius go for 2008he
Apr 28 14:16:59 <AStorm> I gain +1 to stupidity
Apr 28 14:17:05 <AStorm> managed to damage the contacts
Apr 28 14:17:11 <johnx> O_o
Apr 28 14:17:15 <AStorm> now, this is hard to fix
Apr 28 14:17:21 <johnx> on the battery? or the N800?
Apr 28 14:17:24 <AStorm> battery
Apr 28 14:17:34 <AStorm> fairly micro these are ;P
Apr 28 14:17:45 <johnx> glad it wasn't the N800
Apr 28 14:18:16 <AStorm> the contacts are now loosened, need to tighten them up
Apr 28 14:22:57 <AStorm> they're now 0,25mm wider at the tightest spot, might be close enough
Apr 28 14:23:16 <Navi_> woo
Apr 28 14:23:25 <AStorm> ok, good enough
Apr 28 14:23:44 <AStorm> but still, need to charge it
Apr 28 14:24:06 <Paulius> Atarii: Yeah? Any info pages about it?
Apr 28 14:24:11 <AStorm> I should get an IRC-like blogging interface
Apr 28 14:24:12 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 14:24:33 <Paulius> Is it going to be slow? Does the 770 fit the requirements
Apr 28 14:24:42 <Navi_> AStorm: probably.
Apr 28 14:25:03 <AStorm> or maybe, just transform the logs into blog posts ;P
Apr 28 14:25:10 <Navi_> Evil
Apr 28 14:25:22 <Navi_> A lot of people seem to use OS2007HE
Apr 28 14:25:45 <Paulius> yeah, exactly
Apr 28 14:25:59 <Navi_> If you're going to reflash, it doesn't hurt to try it out for a bit anyways
Apr 28 14:26:05 <Paulius> yeah
Apr 28 14:26:08 <Navi_> OS2008HE, that is
Apr 28 14:26:08 <Paulius> reflash
Apr 28 14:26:15 <Paulius> Oh... I see.
Apr 28 14:26:21 <AStorm> now, I still need to hold the cables still somehow, the ports of Samsung and nokia have different +/-/gnd setup
Apr 28 14:26:24 <Paulius> The flashing doesn't need the MMC card, does it?
Apr 28 14:26:31 <Paulius> I'll move stuff to the MMC and then remove it
Apr 28 14:26:32 <AStorm> Paulius: why would it?
Apr 28 14:26:37 <Paulius> well just checking
Apr 28 14:26:41 <Paulius> maybe as a buffer or something
Apr 28 14:26:51 <AStorm> nope
Apr 28 14:26:52 <Paulius> And uhhm...
Apr 28 14:26:59 * Paulius moves backwards to the back-alley.
Apr 28 14:27:03 <Paulius> Is there any way to get Flash 9?
Apr 28 14:27:27 <Navi_> There were a few threads on ITT about it
Apr 28 14:27:36 <Atarii> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=74038&postcount=8
Apr 28 14:27:39 <Paulius> th
Apr 28 14:27:40 <Paulius> x
Apr 28 14:27:41 <Atarii> but it doesnt work very well
Apr 28 14:27:41 <Navi_> I doubt it'll run great though
Apr 28 14:27:45 <Paulius> awww
Apr 28 14:27:45 <Atarii> youtube doesnt work
Apr 28 14:27:49 <Atarii> but some things do
Apr 28 14:27:52 <Paulius> awww
Apr 28 14:28:00 <Paulius> YouTube would be the main reason I'd want flash
Apr 28 14:28:01 <Navi_> Does mytube work with OS2007HE?
Apr 28 14:28:07 <Atarii> mytube?
Apr 28 14:28:11 <Navi_> Youtube app
Apr 28 14:28:17 <Paulius> you mean 2008 probably?
Apr 28 14:28:24 <AStorm> Paulius: nah, youtube would be the major reason you'd want YouTube Canola plugin
Apr 28 14:28:30 <AStorm> and thus mplayer with flv support
Apr 28 14:28:37 <Paulius> Canola totally fubared it's install on my 770.
Apr 28 14:28:44 <Paulius> The thing that I'm excited about is... reliability.
Apr 28 14:28:44 <Navi_> The YouTube Canola plugin kinda blows
Apr 28 14:28:50 <Paulius> OS 2006's browser crashes a million times
Apr 28 14:28:51 <Atarii> i havnt got it to work in 2008he yet
Apr 28 14:28:52 <Navi_> http://mytube.garage.maemo.org/
Apr 28 14:28:59 <Paulius> and the thing randomly reboots from time to time
Apr 28 14:29:02 <AStorm> Navi_: why? it works, is nice, etc.
Apr 28 14:29:09 <Atarii> 2008he is fairly fast
Apr 28 14:29:11 <AStorm> but canola itself doesn't handle mplayer that well
Apr 28 14:29:17 <Navi_> AStorm: exactly :P
Apr 28 14:29:21 <johnx> random reboots? have you applied the wifi memory corruption fix?
Apr 28 14:29:39 <Navi_> mytube performs better, which is reason enough not to use it
Apr 28 14:29:53 <aquatix> ?
Apr 28 14:29:55 <red-zack> for 770 too?
Apr 28 14:30:00 <red-zack> "mytube" ?
Apr 28 14:30:10 <Navi_> I just linked it
Apr 28 14:30:16 <red-zack> os06
Apr 28 14:30:16 <Navi_> check it out for yourself :P
Apr 28 14:30:31 <AStorm> just dl the flv and use mplayer
Apr 28 14:30:45 <AStorm> al the players are overrated
Apr 28 14:30:50 <AStorm> *all
Apr 28 14:31:06 <AStorm> esp. flash players
Apr 28 14:31:31 * aquatix has a nice shell script to download youtube flv's
Apr 28 14:31:59 <Navi_> mytube uses youtube-dl to download flvs and mplayer to play
Apr 28 14:32:07 <Navi_> youtube xml to search through
Apr 28 14:32:13 <Navi_> s'all
Apr 28 14:32:51 <aquatix> this script downloads the html and greps the flv's path and downloads it
Apr 28 14:32:53 <hrw> someone speaks italian here?
Apr 28 14:33:01 <aquatix> even fetches the highres version if it's there
Apr 28 14:33:12 <Atarii> Paulius you going for 2008he then?
Apr 28 14:33:12 <hrw> I need info how 'File' is translated in Italian
Apr 28 14:33:41 <aquatix> babelfish says `lima'
Apr 28 14:33:46 <aquatix> not sure how hilarious that is
Apr 28 14:33:58 <Navi_> File beans
Apr 28 14:34:09 <aquatix> ?
Apr 28 14:34:20 <Navi_> Bad pun went over your head :P
Apr 28 14:35:51 <Paulius> Atarii: yeah, I'll try 2008
Apr 28 14:35:55 <aquatix> Navi_: ah, got it :)
Apr 28 14:36:03 <aquatix> hrw: computer file right?
Apr 28 14:36:12 <aquatix> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File
Apr 28 14:36:30 <aquatix> `archivio'
Apr 28 14:36:44 <Paulius> archivio is archive
Apr 28 14:36:48 <Paulius> like ZIP or compressed or something
Apr 28 14:36:53 <Navi_> File works as file :P
Apr 28 14:36:57 <aquatix> Paulius: and a file isn't an archive?
Apr 28 14:37:08 <Paulius> Not in it's original sense
Apr 28 14:37:12 <hrw> thx
Apr 28 14:37:15 <Paulius> it could be, thouhg :-P
Apr 28 14:37:17 <luogni> hrw, i think it's "File" (or can be archive, document, ... it depends on the context)
Apr 28 14:37:22 <aquatix> myeah, more like a part of an archive
Apr 28 14:37:31 * johnx sits back to enjoy the arm-chair linguists...
Apr 28 14:37:42 <Navi_> johnx: Join in, foo!
Apr 28 14:37:54 <aquatix> hrw: so, looks like the Italians use `file' for file too :)
Apr 28 14:38:05 <aquatix> johnx: :)
Apr 28 14:38:10 <hrw> thats why I asked
Apr 28 14:38:20 <Navi_> johnx: or at least give me money!
Apr 28 14:39:23 <johnx> Navi, ha!
Apr 28 14:39:32 <Navi_> :<
Apr 28 14:40:01 <Navi_> I wonder how much my friend paid for these headphones
Apr 28 14:40:17 <aquatix> which?
Apr 28 14:40:33 <AStorm> dammit, almost flashed ;P
Apr 28 14:40:36 <atka_> hello
Apr 28 14:40:56 <Navi_> Googled it
Apr 28 14:41:01 <Navi_> He paid US$10
Apr 28 14:41:08 <Navi_> Panasonic RP-HS43
Apr 28 14:41:16 <Navi_> Midtones are decent for it's price
Apr 28 14:41:47 <aquatix> ah, those
Apr 28 14:42:08 <Navi_> Ever use them?
Apr 28 14:42:24 <AStorm> I'll leave it hanging for a while, I think charging is done still, automatically
Apr 28 14:42:40 <AStorm> but my wimpy charger doesn't manage to pull it off
Apr 28 14:42:47 <Atarii> Paulius my advice with 2008he is to install "becomeroot" as soon as its flashed, then "mv metalayer-crawler metalayer-crawler.disabled"
Apr 28 14:42:49 <AStorm> the USB one though, has enough power
Apr 28 14:42:50 <aquatix> Navi_: no, i have sennheiser px200
Apr 28 14:42:58 <AStorm> aquatix: ;)
Apr 28 14:42:59 <aquatix> but i've seen them around
Apr 28 14:43:05 <Paulius> what's that crawler thing?
Apr 28 14:43:10 <Paulius> but thansks for advice
Apr 28 14:43:15 <AStorm> Navi_: calling these decent... is a decorum violation ;P
Apr 28 14:43:26 <johnx> Paulius, indexes your media files, sometimes goes crazy
Apr 28 14:43:27 <Atarii> something which searches for media, but its maxes out the cpu to 100%
Apr 28 14:43:35 <Navi_> AStorm: :/
Apr 28 14:43:40 <Paulius> ah yeah
Apr 28 14:43:41 <Paulius> stupid
Apr 28 14:43:43 <Atarii> so changing the name of it stops that
Apr 28 14:44:05 <aquatix> Atarii: does mediaplayer still get up to date afterwards?
Apr 28 14:44:16 <AStorm> oh, it... BOOTED
Apr 28 14:44:18 <acydlord> hmm, apparently the city i moved to has a pretty big geocache crowd
Apr 28 14:44:18 <AStorm> almost
Apr 28 14:44:27 <aquatix> AStorm: it's ALIVE! *couch*
Apr 28 14:44:28 <AStorm> got to the "adv boot menu" prompt
Apr 28 14:44:32 <Atarii> good question :p
Apr 28 14:44:38 <Navi_> I have a set of Panasonic RP-HC500s
Apr 28 14:44:39 <AStorm> so something has been written
Apr 28 14:44:39 <Atarii> i havnt added media to try it yet
Apr 28 14:44:47 <AStorm> "Booting from flasg..."
Apr 28 14:44:56 <AStorm> and now I got that charging screen, good
Apr 28 14:45:07 <AStorm> now, let's leave it like that for a few hours
Apr 28 14:45:12 <aquatix> Navi_: those look quite decent
Apr 28 14:45:21 <aquatix> more expensive than mine i guess :P
Apr 28 14:45:22 <AStorm> ok, crashed ;P
Apr 28 14:45:22 <Navi_> I like 'em
Apr 28 14:45:35 <Navi_> Spent around 90 on them
Apr 28 14:45:36 <AStorm> but now booted quicker
Apr 28 14:45:37 * aquatix likes his px200
Apr 28 14:45:44 <aquatix> foldable even
Apr 28 14:45:45 <AStorm> it's starting to *LIVE*...
Apr 28 14:46:12 <Navi_> *LIVE*??????
Apr 28 14:46:13 <Navi_> ZOMG
Apr 28 14:46:30 <AStorm> the initrd flash wasn't complete it seems
Apr 28 14:46:31 <aquatix> it gained consciousness
Apr 28 14:46:42 <AStorm> but I'll let it charge some
Apr 28 14:47:48 <Paulius> uhh
Apr 28 14:47:53 <Paulius> I was asking about the MMC card
Apr 28 14:48:10 <Atarii> ?
Apr 28 14:48:20 <johnx> asking what about the mmc card?
Apr 28 14:48:37 <AStorm> good, it's stabilising...
Apr 28 14:48:50 <AStorm> it seems to be charging all right
Apr 28 14:49:06 <AStorm> :-)
Apr 28 14:49:12 <AStorm> the patient should live
Apr 28 14:49:16 <trickie_> AStorm: awesome
Apr 28 14:50:12 <AStorm> need to buy one AC-4E
Apr 28 14:50:20 <AStorm> or better
Apr 28 14:50:32 <AStorm> all are rated at 890mA anyway ;P
Apr 28 14:52:12 <AStorm> better still, I should buy one and then use the spare plug to build a better charger
Apr 28 14:52:52 <AStorm> and/or that battery pack
Apr 28 14:54:22 <AStorm> btw, N can accept 6V just fine
Apr 28 14:54:34 <AStorm> they must have a fairly nice power regulator inside
Apr 28 14:54:48 <aquatix> AStorm: experience? :)
Apr 28 14:54:57 <AStorm> aquatix: yes, cheap charger ;P
Apr 28 14:55:07 <AStorm> measured it at 6V
Apr 28 14:55:39 <AStorm> but I think that high load causes it to drop voltage
Apr 28 14:56:38 <AStorm> I suspect Nokia uses the same chip I found, that Maxim, it's very popular in cell-phone applications
Apr 28 14:57:21 <AStorm> that has a range of 1,2V to 6V, but it will only provide enough current for N to work at least at 4,5V
Apr 28 14:57:38 <Paulius> uhhm
Apr 28 14:57:47 <Paulius> I think my sound spotted working on OS 2008HE
Apr 28 14:58:02 <AStorm> I sense a kernel failure ;)
Apr 28 14:58:23 <Paulius> should I be agraid?
Apr 28 14:58:26 <Paulius> *afraid
Apr 28 14:58:28 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 14:58:34 <Atarii> no its a bug, shouldve mentioned that
Apr 28 14:58:38 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 28 14:58:42 <AStorm> fixable?
Apr 28 14:58:54 <Atarii> dunno
Apr 28 14:59:04 <AStorm> I need to get that scratchbox done after I build the kernel
Apr 28 14:59:11 <AStorm> or... or maybe Gentoo
Apr 28 14:59:12 <Paulius> well hmm, weird.
Apr 28 14:59:22 <AStorm> it should be possible to run wifi using that cheap hack DSME
Apr 28 14:59:27 <AStorm> and BME too
Apr 28 14:59:39 <hrw> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2896
Apr 28 14:59:41 <AStorm> then add a cfg80211 -> Dbus proggie
Apr 28 15:00:23 <hrw> AStorm: which hack?
Apr 28 15:00:32 <AStorm> which I'll write
Apr 28 15:00:35 <AStorm> in Python.
Apr 28 15:00:36 <hrw> ah
Apr 28 15:00:43 <hrw> python? :(
Apr 28 15:00:48 <AStorm> why not?
Apr 28 15:00:54 <AStorm> I could rewrite in C later on
Apr 28 15:01:01 <hrw> AStorm: takes precious rootfs space ;)
Apr 28 15:01:10 <AStorm> why does that need to be on rootfs?
Apr 28 15:01:11 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 15:01:19 <hrw> I am grown on zaurus sl-5500 which had 14MB for rootfs
Apr 28 15:01:22 <AStorm> it's user-space
Apr 28 15:01:33 <AStorm> you can put it anywhere
Apr 28 15:01:39 <Paulius> 2008he is very very slow
Apr 28 15:01:44 <Paulius> I hope it's because of that indexing thing
Apr 28 15:01:53 <AStorm> some, yes
Apr 28 15:01:57 <AStorm> but it's just heavier too
Apr 28 15:02:04 <plb> yay on xchat on my n810 =)
Apr 28 15:02:23 <AStorm> plb: sloooooow you are
Apr 28 15:02:26 <AStorm> ;)
Apr 28 15:02:28 <plb> lol
Apr 28 15:02:35 <hrw> ~xchat-maemo
Apr 28 15:02:36 <infobot> somebody said xchat-maemo was X-Chat for OS2008 is done by skyhusker and can be fetched from http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ and should be in 'extras' soon
Apr 28 15:02:43 <AStorm> yep
Apr 28 15:02:48 <plb> well I just got it
Apr 28 15:02:54 <AStorm> good for you
Apr 28 15:02:55 <hrw> Paulius: 2007he was slow so nothing strange that 2008he is slow too
Apr 28 15:03:04 <AStorm> I'd love to see the patches that guy added
Apr 28 15:03:07 <AStorm> then improve on them
Apr 28 15:03:10 <Paulius> hmm well damn
Apr 28 15:03:14 <AStorm> e.g. provide kinetic scrolling
Apr 28 15:03:15 <Paulius> I think I'll need to go back to 2006
Apr 28 15:03:18 <Paulius> I can't stand this...
Apr 28 15:03:24 <Atarii> 2008he is the faster os on my 770
Apr 28 15:03:27 <AStorm> Paulius: just disable non-essential services
Apr 28 15:03:27 <Paulius> I don't like the fact that even the onscreen keyboard is lagging
Apr 28 15:03:32 <Atarii> Paulius do the metacrawler thing
Apr 28 15:03:33 <Paulius> AStorm: How?
Apr 28 15:03:39 <Paulius> I'm right now entering my WPA key
Apr 28 15:03:42 <AStorm> Paulius: /etc/rc.*/something
Apr 28 15:03:43 <Paulius> to get on the net to get gainroot
Apr 28 15:03:45 <atkarc> Hello
Apr 28 15:03:52 <AStorm> you can drop the metalayer crawler that way
Apr 28 15:04:19 <AStorm> medialib-crawler or wtfit'scalled
Apr 28 15:04:27 <AStorm> atkarc: hi
Apr 28 15:05:48 <kaatis> say "update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove" as root
Apr 28 15:06:08 <AStorm> yup
Apr 28 15:06:27 <AStorm> or just rm it from proper rc.<number>
Apr 28 15:06:34 <Atarii> whats the difference between that and just renaming it?
Apr 28 15:06:43 <AStorm> renaming won't help
Apr 28 15:06:44 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 15:06:53 <Paulius> I think it finished crawling or something
Apr 28 15:06:58 <Paulius> all of the sudden it's super responsive
Apr 28 15:06:59 <Atarii> did for me AStorm
Apr 28 15:07:05 <AStorm> heh
Apr 28 15:07:05 <Paulius> let's see if I entered the WPA right
Apr 28 15:07:29 <AStorm> I think N770 audio device is supported by linux-omap
Apr 28 15:07:38 <AStorm> AIC23, right?
Apr 28 15:07:46 <Paulius> w00t
Apr 28 15:07:47 <Paulius> I did
Apr 28 15:07:56 <Paulius> maemo.org right?
Apr 28 15:08:11 <AStorm> wha?
Apr 28 15:08:49 <Paulius> where do I get gainroot from
Apr 28 15:09:13 <AStorm> I suggest easyroot instead
Apr 28 15:09:25 <AStorm> and use gronmayer (in topic)
Apr 28 15:09:28 <Paulius> okay
Apr 28 15:09:30 <johnx> grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com
Apr 28 15:09:33 <Paulius> gronmayer??
Apr 28 15:09:38 <AStorm> Paulius: @topic
Apr 28 15:09:41 <Atarii> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Apr 28 15:09:45 <AStorm> e.g. type /topic in your irc client
Apr 28 15:09:46 <Atarii> use it to seach for applications
Apr 28 15:10:03 <Paulius> okay, where can I get easyroot?
Apr 28 15:10:07 <AStorm> nitapps.com
Apr 28 15:10:10 <Atarii> lol
Apr 28 15:10:15 <johnx> <johnx> grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com
Apr 28 15:10:53 <AStorm> hrw: does poky support that wifi, or did you give up?
Apr 28 15:11:08 <AStorm> I at least managed to get it to build vs 2.6.25
Apr 28 15:11:26 <AStorm> (should work if SLAB is used - not sure if my SLUB hack is enough)
Apr 28 15:12:10 <hrw> AStorm: I need driver with WPA and 770 driver lack it
Apr 28 15:12:15 <AStorm> (unless I broke the skb changes port)
Apr 28 15:12:17 <AStorm> ahm?
Apr 28 15:12:24 <AStorm> it's not the same chip, right?
Apr 28 15:12:26 <hrw> AStorm: I do not plan to test poky on n810
Apr 28 15:12:30 <AStorm> ahha
Apr 28 15:13:05 <AStorm> which chip is used for wifi on n770? same cx3110x?
Apr 28 15:14:38 <AStorm> if so, if I write that Dbus wrapper vs dsme, it should work for you too
Apr 28 15:15:23 <AStorm> but for that, I need a better dbus monitor
Apr 28 15:15:40 <AStorm> that xmlish dump is probably not enough
Apr 28 15:15:57 <Paulius> and it's back slow again
Apr 28 15:16:05 <Paulius> come on easyroot... install your sorry ass faster
Apr 28 15:16:05 <AStorm> Paulius: yes, it's the crawler, disable that
Apr 28 15:16:18 <Paulius> Does it do the same thing on the n810? lol
Apr 28 15:16:19 <AStorm> install is slow, live with it
Apr 28 15:16:28 <AStorm> Paulius: sure, but is not as obtrusive
Apr 28 15:16:34 <johnx> AStorm, maybe this isn't what you need at all, but have you seen dbus-scripts? it can launch scripts on dbus events
Apr 28 15:16:35 <AStorm> N8x0 have more CPU power and RAM
Apr 28 15:16:43 <AStorm> johnx: no, that's not it
Apr 28 15:16:46 <Paulius> yeah I'm not an idiot
Apr 28 15:16:55 <Paulius> but Atarii says that 810 is fast for him on 770
Apr 28 15:16:56 <AStorm> I need to tell the driver what it should do
Apr 28 15:16:57 <Paulius> and I believe that
Apr 28 15:17:01 <Paulius> I'll be optimizing my thing
Apr 28 15:17:04 <AStorm> actually, tell that to DSME
Apr 28 15:17:18 <AStorm> which will twiddle the driver
Apr 28 15:17:27 <AStorm> I should try to reverse DSME too
Apr 28 15:17:38 <Paulius> the interface looks very sexy though
Apr 28 15:17:39 <AStorm> once I control the kernel, it shouldn't be that hard
Apr 28 15:17:43 <Paulius> so it's worth the wait, lol
Apr 28 15:18:12 <Paulius> oh nice
Apr 28 15:18:22 <Paulius> I'm actually seeing it draw the dialogs onto the screen
Apr 28 15:18:26 <AStorm> if we manage to get these two pieces of closed source out, the only thing left will be the wifi driver
Apr 28 15:18:27 <Paulius> need...more...cpu...
Apr 28 15:18:32 <johnx> so the stack is: (kernel driver) <-> (dsme) <-> (wlancond) <-> (GUI stuff)?
Apr 28 15:18:34 <AStorm> Paulius: or patience
Apr 28 15:18:38 <Paulius> that too
Apr 28 15:18:39 <AStorm> johnx: exactly
Apr 28 15:18:43 <Paulius> but I kinda have a train to catch
Apr 28 15:18:48 <AStorm> wlancond is cheap stuff
Apr 28 15:18:51 <Paulius> t minus 2 hours left
Apr 28 15:19:01 <Paulius> but damn, I want to grab something to eat
Apr 28 15:19:04 <Atarii> Paulius later you can try some of these also http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17666&highlight=speed
Apr 28 15:19:06 <Paulius> make that t minus one and a half hour
Apr 28 15:19:13 <AStorm> but I'm not sure if it connects to the card directly
Apr 28 15:19:22 <Paulius> Atarii: Ohh thank you
Apr 28 15:19:32 <Atarii> though ive only tried a few
Apr 28 15:19:33 <Paulius> Atarii: If you know any other tricks, please feel free to share the love
Apr 28 15:19:34 <AStorm> might have to let oprofile onto it
Apr 28 15:19:39 <AStorm> to see what it does
Apr 28 15:19:48 <AStorm> or some other system debugger
Apr 28 15:20:23 <Atarii> i think from that page
Apr 28 15:20:23 <Atarii> user_pref("browser.cache.memory.capacity", 8192);
Apr 28 15:20:31 <Atarii> is the best one
Apr 28 15:20:57 <Paulius> okay
Apr 28 15:21:19 <AStorm> Atarii: wrong for N770
Apr 28 15:21:24 <AStorm> Paulius: set that to 0
Apr 28 15:21:25 <Atarii> really?
Apr 28 15:21:32 <AStorm> yes, N770 has half the memory
Apr 28 15:21:36 <Paulius> yeah 8MB seems like alot
Apr 28 15:21:39 <Paulius> 770 = 64MB
Apr 28 15:21:48 <AStorm> maybe max 2MB
Apr 28 15:21:52 <Paulius> yeah
Apr 28 15:21:54 <johnx> swap would help
Apr 28 15:21:55 <Atarii> rite ok
Apr 28 15:22:06 <AStorm> johnx: not that much, swapping in older kernels is abysmal
Apr 28 15:22:09 <Paulius> The cache on OS 2006 was 512KB
Apr 28 15:22:10 <Paulius> lol
Apr 28 15:22:10 <AStorm> hogs cpu like mad
Apr 28 15:22:21 <johnx> AStorm, better than thrashing like mad
Apr 28 15:22:27 <AStorm> thrashing what?
Apr 28 15:22:50 <johnx> losing disk cache, pulling stuff back in, all while keeping something useless in memory
Apr 28 15:22:52 <Atarii> is it best to leave the "memory cache size" option in the browser to automatic or manually put it to 2048 or whatever?
Apr 28 15:23:16 <AStorm> johnx: what disk cache? in 64MB?
Apr 28 15:23:24 <AStorm> Atarii: well, it'd put it at 2M then
Apr 28 15:23:28 <AStorm> I'd say set it to 1M
Apr 28 15:24:06 <johnx> anyways, it makes a very positive difference on my 64MB Zaurus. All I can give is anecdotal evidence and say it's worth a try
Apr 28 15:25:30 <AStorm> johnx: yes, swap is good
Apr 28 15:25:45 <AStorm> but, I can't get it why nokia set the No-op disk elevator in their kernel
Apr 28 15:25:53 <AStorm> that's just dumb
Apr 28 15:26:08 <AStorm> will destroy multitasking performance
Apr 28 15:26:10 <hrw> sorry - machine died
Apr 28 15:26:15 <AStorm> hrw: :>
Apr 28 15:26:31 <johnx> aah, I see. I thought you were referring to mmc write performance, not CPU hogging
Apr 28 15:26:35 <AStorm> someone should provide a kernel with CFQ on
Apr 28 15:26:45 <AStorm> johnx: well, swap still hogs cpu on old kernels
Apr 28 15:26:48 <AStorm> <2.6.23 or so
Apr 28 15:26:54 <AStorm> and thrashes
Apr 28 15:27:03 <AStorm> new swap token work went in 2.6.23
Apr 28 15:27:21 <hrw> there is no such thing as n770
Apr 28 15:27:38 <AStorm> huh?
Apr 28 15:27:40 <johnx> this might actually explain a lot of me recently falling back in love with my zaurus c1000...
Apr 28 15:28:10 <hrw> AStorm: "nokia 770" is proper name of su-18 tablet
Apr 28 15:28:20 <AStorm> I know
Apr 28 15:28:35 <AStorm> but the name "Nokia 770" is too long
Apr 28 15:28:37 <Paulius> oh fucking great
Apr 28 15:28:38 <AStorm> I prefer n770
Apr 28 15:28:40 <Paulius> the whole hing crashed
Apr 28 15:28:42 <Paulius> FUCK
Apr 28 15:28:48 <Atarii> lol
Apr 28 15:28:50 <AStorm> Paulius: you win
Apr 28 15:29:00 <Atarii> you completed nokia
Apr 28 15:29:01 <Atarii> well done
Apr 28 15:29:09 <Paulius> ??
Apr 28 15:29:12 <kulve> "Nokia 770"  and "Nokia n800". At some they explicitly stated at the mailing list that do not use "n770"
Apr 28 15:29:17 <AStorm> all your base are belong to us
Apr 28 15:29:24 <AStorm> kulve: blah, blah
Apr 28 15:29:28 <AStorm> I'll call it SU-18
Apr 28 15:29:31 <AStorm> to confuse people
Apr 28 15:29:32 <Paulius> oh thy OS 2008
Apr 28 15:29:37 <Paulius> why are thou so damn slow
Apr 28 15:29:53 <kulve> AStorm: that would be accurate and not confusing to most people here :)
Apr 28 15:29:59 <AStorm> ;)
Apr 28 15:30:18 <AStorm> ok, did nokia give a reason for the use of No-op disk scheduler?
Apr 28 15:30:18 <johnx> isn't there a weirder internal codename we could use?
Apr 28 15:30:28 <johnx> SU-18 is in too much valid documentation
Apr 28 15:30:30 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 15:30:37 <AStorm> what was it called...
Apr 28 15:31:05 <Atarii> where is my iGo dammit
Apr 28 15:32:38 <Paulius> brief period of extreme responsiveness
Apr 28 15:32:45 <Paulius> let's see how fast I can do this
Apr 28 15:33:07 <Atarii> "OS2008 will not be available for the 770, I am almost positive." hindsight is a fun thing
Apr 28 15:33:26 <Paulius> hindsight?
Apr 28 15:33:34 <johnx> "looking back"
Apr 28 15:33:41 <Paulius> ah
Apr 28 15:33:43 <johnx> yeah, I wouldn't have believed it either
Apr 28 15:33:43 <ralann> yeah, its what happens when you look at your ass
Apr 28 15:33:44 <Paulius> oh wow I love the new icons
Apr 28 15:34:08 <Paulius> YES!
Apr 28 15:34:12 <Paulius> It's installing easyroot
Apr 28 15:34:17 * Paulius kisses his nokia 770
Apr 28 15:34:28 <Paulius> oh wait a second...
Apr 28 15:34:35 <Paulius> I need to download a terminal app too, right?
Apr 28 15:34:41 <Atarii> wrong
Apr 28 15:34:49 <Atarii> check out the menu -> utilities
Apr 28 15:34:51 <Paulius> oh wow
Apr 28 15:34:53 <Paulius> neato
Apr 28 15:34:54 <AStorm> OS2008HE has one already
Apr 28 15:35:00 <AStorm> osso-xterm = osso-suckagge
Apr 28 15:35:04 <Paulius> okay, how do I do this easyroot thing?
Apr 28 15:35:10 <Paulius> sudo gainroot or sudo easyroot?
Apr 28 15:35:11 <AStorm> I wonder why they couldn't use xfce Terminal
Apr 28 15:35:12 <Paulius> or what?
Apr 28 15:35:15 <AStorm> Paulius: just root
Apr 28 15:35:21 <AStorm> ;>
Apr 28 15:35:22 <Paulius> AStorm: Because it requires the gnome libs
Apr 28 15:35:25 <AStorm> Paulius: wrong
Apr 28 15:35:30 <AStorm> it's Xfce, not GNOME
Apr 28 15:35:34 <Paulius> I know
Apr 28 15:35:37 <AStorm> same libvte
Apr 28 15:35:41 <Paulius> but XFCE uses tons of stuff from gnome
Apr 28 15:35:44 <AStorm> less suckage
Apr 28 15:35:47 <AStorm> Paulius: wrong^2
Apr 28 15:35:52 <aquatix> Paulius: erm, xfce only uses gtk stuff
Apr 28 15:35:54 <AStorm> it doesn't need any of GNOME
Apr 28 15:35:58 <Paulius> which command should I do first?
Apr 28 15:35:59 <term-sig> GNOME sucks too
Apr 28 15:36:02 <Paulius> update-rc.d metalayer-crawler remove ?
Apr 28 15:36:04 <AStorm> term-sig: sure
Apr 28 15:36:04 <Paulius> or the mv command?
Apr 28 15:36:10 <AStorm> Paulius: update-rc.d will do
Apr 28 15:36:13 <AStorm> then reboot
Apr 28 15:36:19 <Paulius> 10-4 chief
Apr 28 15:36:42 <Paulius> done
Apr 28 15:36:42 <Paulius> rebooting
Apr 28 15:36:57 <AStorm> term-sig: I'll try to get a real mobile environment in
Apr 28 15:37:08 <Paulius> oh wow new charging animation too
Apr 28 15:37:13 <AStorm> of my own design - I'll use pywm as a base for now ;>
Apr 28 15:37:19 <AStorm> ah, btw
Apr 28 15:37:32 <AStorm> why does fanoush' initfs has the non-animated charging anim?
Apr 28 15:37:33 <Paulius> hahaha new startup soung
Apr 28 15:37:34 <Atarii> Paulius goto documents in FileManager and delete all the user help pdfs to free up a fuck-ton of space
Apr 28 15:37:35 <Paulius> *sound
Apr 28 15:37:44 <AStorm> Atarii: wrong
Apr 28 15:37:52 <Paulius> Symlinks?
Apr 28 15:37:57 <AStorm> just uninstall these packages, what were they called
Apr 28 15:37:59 <Paulius> uh oh
Apr 28 15:38:01 <Paulius> it booted back up
Apr 28 15:38:04 <Paulius> got a dialog
Apr 28 15:38:13 <Paulius> "operation temporarily disabled due to low memory"
Apr 28 15:38:18 <Atarii> :S
Apr 28 15:38:18 <AStorm> huh
Apr 28 15:38:31 <Paulius> I think I know
Apr 28 15:38:33 <Paulius> 1 sec
Apr 28 15:38:38 <AStorm> enable swap, will you
Apr 28 15:38:40 <term-sig> AStorm: i like more flubox or something similar..
Apr 28 15:38:50 <AStorm> term-sig: flux is bad for mobile usage
Apr 28 15:38:53 <term-sig> instalind KDE on n8x0 it's dump for me..
Apr 28 15:38:54 <AStorm> small buttons, windows, etc.
Apr 28 15:39:03 <AStorm> same with KDE
Apr 28 15:39:15 <AStorm> they weren't designed with mobile usage in mind
Apr 28 15:39:16 <Paulius> okay now it's properly booting up
Apr 28 15:39:22 <Paulius> Atarii: Got any other services that I could disable?
Apr 28 15:39:24 <term-sig> AStorm:ok, but it's working nice.. and dont use so much memory and cpu.
Apr 28 15:39:30 <Paulius> Any guide to get my 770 working as fast as yours?
Apr 28 15:39:33 <AStorm> term-sig: who cares ;)
Apr 28 15:39:35 <Paulius> oh FUCK
Apr 28 15:39:41 <Paulius> I was supposed to read a user manual..
Apr 28 15:39:46 <aquatix> feh ;)
Apr 28 15:39:51 <Atarii> no-one reads manuals
Apr 28 15:39:52 <aquatix> who does that nowadays
Apr 28 15:39:59 <AStorm> I do, out of boredom
Apr 28 15:40:01 <Paulius> It's for a professional video camera
Apr 28 15:40:05 <AStorm> then laugh
Apr 28 15:40:06 <Paulius> I've never operated one, lol
Apr 28 15:40:08 <hrw> I looked at quick start today
Apr 28 15:40:19 <Paulius> consumer manuals are a joke, not the pro ones
Apr 28 15:40:32 <term-sig> Paulius: u 770 will be so fast as mamemo website ;P
Apr 28 15:40:44 <Paulius> term-sig: What?
Apr 28 15:40:48 <Paulius> Atarii: What else to disable/remove?
Apr 28 15:41:04 <Atarii> thats all i can remember atm
Apr 28 15:41:12 <Paulius> okay, this thing is now FAST.
Apr 28 15:41:18 <Paulius> I think it's almost as fast as os2006
Apr 28 15:41:20 <Atarii> although turning off sound apparently increases speed, not sure how true that is though
Apr 28 15:41:28 <Paulius> But I use the sound a lot.
Apr 28 15:41:41 <Paulius> okay guys
Apr 28 15:41:45 <Paulius> in applications I see "maps"
Apr 28 15:41:49 <Paulius> I'm assuming that's for the GPS.
Apr 28 15:41:52 <Atarii> yea i got rid of that
Apr 28 15:41:54 <Paulius> And tutorial-home-applet
Apr 28 15:41:56 <Paulius> get rid of both?
Apr 28 15:41:57 <Atarii> and that
Apr 28 15:42:10 <Paulius> man, I'm loving this.
Apr 28 15:42:12 <Paulius> this is so neat
Apr 28 15:42:19 <Atarii> also in control panel, "GPS Location" untick use GPS
Apr 28 15:42:33 <Paulius> okay
Apr 28 15:42:48 <Paulius> So it can't transform my 770 in a GPS device by magic? :-(
Apr 28 15:42:56 <Atarii> lol
Apr 28 15:42:58 <Paulius> Is there a GPS service to stop?
Apr 28 15:42:59 <term-sig> =)
Apr 28 15:43:11 <Atarii> dont think so
Apr 28 15:43:29 <Paulius> okey-dokey
Apr 28 15:43:34 <Paulius> and I should enable swap?
Apr 28 15:43:44 <Atarii> i have, its probably advised
Apr 28 15:43:53 <johnx> I would suggest it
Apr 28 15:43:57 <Paulius> okay
Apr 28 15:44:05 <Paulius> probably very detrimentory to my flash card
Apr 28 15:44:11 <Paulius> but I'm using the crap 64mb that came with it
Apr 28 15:44:17 <Paulius> I could buy a 1GB one for a few bucks :-p
Apr 28 15:44:34 <Atarii> also change the search interval in connectivity to "Never" that may also boost a bit
Apr 28 15:44:45 <Paulius> okay
Apr 28 15:44:58 <Atarii> you can reduce the wireless power also, but only if you are really near the router
Apr 28 15:45:10 <johnx> think of it this way: You're spending the 64MB card's lifetime as an investment in your own sanity (You'll go insane with "out of memory" errors otherwise)
Apr 28 15:45:10 <term-sig> Atarii: u saying more about battery life ;P then speed
Apr 28 15:45:18 <Paulius> enabling 24MB swap...
Apr 28 15:45:26 <Paulius> johnx: hahahaha. nicely put
Apr 28 15:45:32 <Atarii> term-sig true, it all helps though
Apr 28 15:46:16 <johnx> Atarii, Some Nokian said that reducing the "power" setting to 10mW basically does nothing. It's just for compliance in countries that limit power output of unlicensed transmitters to 10mW
Apr 28 15:46:25 <tank-man> nokian, lol
Apr 28 15:46:40 <AStorm> johnx: yes, it doesn't save power
Apr 28 15:46:48 <AStorm> checked it with a rundown test
Apr 28 15:47:03 <AStorm> it does reduce range nicely ;P
Apr 28 15:47:11 <johnx> uhm...yay?
Apr 28 15:47:30 <AStorm> ok, why does the charging icon isn't animated?
Apr 28 15:47:36 <AStorm> (fanoush initfs)
Apr 28 15:47:47 <Paulius> oh crap
Apr 28 15:47:53 <Paulius> it's raining outside
Apr 28 15:47:55 <johnx> AStorm, it animates for me I think...
Apr 28 15:47:58 <Paulius> man, why do I have to go out today
Apr 28 15:48:01 <Paulius> f**k this
Apr 28 15:48:02 <AStorm> and here it doesn't
Apr 28 15:48:11 <AStorm> (if the system is started by charger)
Apr 28 15:48:16 <Paulius> Charging icon is animated here
Apr 28 15:48:16 * johnx uses fanoush's initfs of course
Apr 28 15:48:20 <AStorm> It does if it's shut down.
Apr 28 15:49:07 <term-sig> what about using external wifi card throught OTG? anone try with sucess?
Apr 28 15:49:29 <AStorm> I guess it won't run with just 100mA
Apr 28 15:49:35 <johnx> I don't think anyone was successful without external power
Apr 28 15:49:38 <AStorm> other than that, get something that has Linux drivers
Apr 28 15:50:16 <AStorm> get a battery powered hub, which can supply full power
Apr 28 15:50:21 <AStorm> there are some
Apr 28 15:50:39 <johnx> but the one that is *everywhere* the cyberpower one probably isn't what you want
Apr 28 15:50:49 <AStorm> exactly
Apr 28 15:51:11 <Paulius> I wonder if I should get shot if I used my laptop on the subway...
Apr 28 15:51:21 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 15:51:31 <johnx> maybe robbed, prolly not shot
Apr 28 15:51:31 <AStorm> at least not here, in the US or UK
Apr 28 15:51:34 <Paulius> lol
Apr 28 15:51:36 <AStorm> yes, robbed, maybe
Apr 28 15:51:48 <Paulius> It's a crap laptop. any real person would know
Apr 28 15:51:49 <AStorm> but nowadays lappies are common
Apr 28 15:51:54 <Paulius> yeah exactly
Apr 28 15:52:00 <Paulius> they're no more 3K like back in the day
Apr 28 15:52:00 <johnx> Paulius, geeks don't steal laptops on subways...
Apr 28 15:52:04 <AStorm> they tend to steal nice cell phones
Apr 28 15:52:10 <Paulius> or...
Apr 28 15:52:12 <johnx> crackheads steal laptops on subways...
Apr 28 15:52:18 <AStorm> johnx: nah
Apr 28 15:52:21 <Paulius> This is a chance for OS 2008 to show off it's PDF capabilities!
Apr 28 15:52:26 <AStorm> they prefer to steal phones, easier to sell them
Apr 28 15:52:33 <AStorm> and to steal
Apr 28 15:53:49 <AStorm> I'm a bit afraid that N looks a bit like iPoot
Apr 28 15:54:04 <Paulius> I use my ipod on subway all the time
Apr 28 15:54:06 <Paulius> everyone does
Apr 28 15:54:07 <AStorm> AKA hot target
Apr 28 15:54:15 <Juhaz> why would they be easier to sell? remotely trackable and lockable devices don't exactly sound like something most people would like to buy stolen
Apr 28 15:54:17 <AStorm> yes, and a large number are stolen
Apr 28 15:54:43 <AStorm> Juhaz: no one locks the phones, for some reason
Apr 28 15:55:10 <Paulius> oh man... new GAME
Apr 28 15:55:11 <Paulius> WOOT
Apr 28 15:55:26 <Paulius> oh my god... it's tetris
Apr 28 15:55:30 <Paulius> I'll be spending hours on this
Apr 28 15:55:49 <AStorm> heh
Apr 28 15:55:56 <term-sig> oh, one more question guys..
Apr 28 15:55:58 <AStorm> then don't even try gemrb
Apr 28 15:56:09 <Paulius> what's that?
Apr 28 15:56:09 <AStorm> (ah, that won't work on SU-18)
Apr 28 15:56:20 <AStorm> Paulius: Baldur's Gate 2 engine
Apr 28 15:56:25 <AStorm> open version
Apr 28 15:57:09 <AStorm> and especially don't try out these console emulators
Apr 28 15:57:34 <Paulius> the sound problem is ticking me off
Apr 28 15:57:43 <term-sig> anyone get any solution for accessig emails on exchange excluding webrowser?
Apr 28 15:57:51 <Paulius> it also takes a while to get into the sound settings panel
Apr 28 15:57:56 <Paulius> and the funny thing is that I can hear some sounds
Apr 28 15:58:00 <Paulius> when I close windows
Apr 28 15:58:03 <Paulius> and the bootup sound
Apr 28 15:59:52 <Paulius> web browser very slow...
Apr 28 16:02:19 <johnx> Paulius, no way to get around that. It's not that fast on the n800 either...
Apr 28 16:02:28 <Paulius> hmmm
Apr 28 16:02:35 <Paulius> Well it's not that bad when it's actually loaded.
Apr 28 16:02:37 <Paulius> What I care is stability.
Apr 28 16:02:45 <Paulius> Opera on 770 used to crash me A LOT.
Apr 28 16:02:55 <Paulius> If this thing doesn't crash, it's worth the reduction in speed
Apr 28 16:03:00 <johnx> Paulius, did you ever apply the wifi memory corruption fix on OS2006?
Apr 28 16:03:08 <Paulius> I didn't apply anything.
Apr 28 16:03:14 <Paulius> I just know that it had the latest version
Apr 28 16:03:18 <Paulius> I checked the version of 2006
Apr 28 16:03:22 <johnx> well, that would definitely be part of the problem...
Apr 28 16:03:39 <johnx> not to say that it will make everything perfect, but it would have certainly helped
Apr 28 16:04:00 <Paulius> Well I got OS 2008 now
Apr 28 16:04:07 <Paulius> I'm as happy as a pig in plop
Apr 28 16:04:16 <johnx> good to hear
Apr 28 16:10:33 <RST38h> anybody knows what is new in today's Personal Menu update?
Apr 28 16:11:27 <Proteous> free haircuts I hear
Apr 28 16:11:49 <AStorm> new icon? ;P
Apr 28 16:11:49 <Paulius> lol
Apr 28 16:12:42 <RST38h> shows the same icon =)
Apr 28 16:24:04 <ssvb> hi, can anybody help with getting such video sample? https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2371&group_id=54&atid=272
Apr 28 16:28:26 <johnx> wow...haven't been keeping up with personal-menu updates. That looks awesome...
Apr 28 16:28:55 <Atarii> got a link johnx?
Apr 28 16:29:06 <johnx> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19360
Apr 28 16:29:14 <Atarii> cheers
Apr 28 16:29:18 <johnx> :)
Apr 28 16:31:38 <AStorm> btw, does someone have the root= address of the fourth chip?
Apr 28 16:31:45 <AStorm> you know, the normal rootfs one
Apr 28 16:32:09 <AStorm> want to move initfs there in the future
Apr 28 16:33:05 <johnx> AStorm, is it printed in the kernel boot messages?
Apr 28 16:33:14 <AStorm> hmm, maybe
Apr 28 16:33:27 <AStorm> but it's still charging ;)
Apr 28 16:33:31 <johnx> http://pastebin.com/m5832c561
Apr 28 16:33:37 <johnx> does that look helpful?
Apr 28 16:34:10 <AStorm> how does that translate to root=1f08 option?
Apr 28 16:34:15 <AStorm> (for initfs)
Apr 28 16:34:20 <johnx> no clue
Apr 28 16:45:37 <pupnik> heh all the kids are curious about internet tablets
Apr 28 16:45:55 <pupnik> "whoah that looks cool"
Apr 28 16:46:11 <AStorm> yup
Apr 28 16:46:21 <AStorm> never ever give it to a girl
Apr 28 16:46:36 <AStorm> you won't be able to recover it for an hour
Apr 28 16:46:51 <pupnik> yeah i was at a family thing yesterday and the only thing that stopped em was low battery
Apr 28 16:47:08 <pupnik> btw numpty physics needs an easier level set for kids
Apr 28 16:57:12 <unixSnob> I've found that girls tend to be fascinated with the video phone feature
Apr 28 16:58:25 * unixSnob thinks a good ad campaign for Nokia would be to give a free NIT w/ gizmoproject accts to two kids in every class - it will quickly become a must have to the other children
Apr 28 17:00:04 <pupnik> Kids seem to be more interested in the newer type games and stuff.  But parents might be interested in a portable device that's not so optimized towards games.
Apr 28 17:00:46 <pupnik> So 'here's your awesome portable thingamabob.  It can play some games, but it's better for internet, drawing, mails, communication etc'
Apr 28 17:01:01 <unixSnob> perhaps boys.. I think girls are more interested in communication than games
Apr 28 17:01:20 <Mousey> mmm, girl gamers...
Apr 28 17:01:47 <pupnik> Maybe, my 6 year old daughter-of-cousin was kicking butt in mario on NDS yesterday.
Apr 28 17:02:27 <adam_> has someone already compiled the wii mote drivers for the n800 2008 os?
Apr 28 17:05:20 <johnx> adam_, of course :)
Apr 28 17:06:25 <adam_> is it in the repository
Apr 28 17:07:09 <johnx> it's on itt
Apr 28 17:07:21 <johnx> google wiimote n800, and it's the first result
Apr 28 17:08:43 <pupnik> wb qwerty12
Apr 28 17:09:01 <qwerty12> pupnik, hi
Apr 28 17:09:07 <adam_> johnx: cool
Apr 28 17:10:55 <konttori> adam_ there is a python script that handles the wiimotes perfectly
Apr 28 17:11:26 <konttori> Done by a spanish guy
Apr 28 17:11:32 <konttori> really nice and easy to use
Apr 28 17:11:45 <konttori> As it happens, I'm just about to make it even easier to use.
Apr 28 17:11:49 <qwerty12> Can someone save me from reflashing and send me a copy of their "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon" folder please? :(
Apr 28 17:11:54 <pupnik> is anybody really using the wiimote for anytihng?  konttori ?
Apr 28 17:12:28 <johnx> qwerty12, tar.gz to an email address ok? or can I just rsync it right to your tablet?
Apr 28 17:12:31 <pupnik> mine is pretty customized qwerty12
Apr 28 17:12:54 <qwerty12> johnx, tar.gz is fine, mind if I PM you email?
Apr 28 17:12:58 <johnx> sure
Apr 28 17:13:00 <qwerty12> pupnik, thanks :)
Apr 28 17:20:38 <lcuk2> can we get at the mii's from the wiimote?
Apr 28 17:21:22 <tank-man> af-sb-init.sh: command not found <-- where can I find this script?
Apr 28 17:21:30 <towo> There's tools for that, lcuk2, IIRC.
Apr 28 17:22:23 <lcuk2> cool
Apr 28 17:23:09 <lcuk2> tank-man, depending on what you have done, i would say you are: not logged in correctly to your scratchbox, have selected a target which has been "reset" or you have simply b0rken your box
Apr 28 17:23:19 <lcuk2> you shouldnt have to just get hold of the script on its own
Apr 28 17:23:37 <lcuk2> (as far as i know anyway)
Apr 28 17:24:51 <tank-man> ok, i'll try going over what i did
Apr 28 17:26:01 <lcuk2> did it work correctly earlier?
Apr 28 17:26:54 <pupnik> hmm rick astley does have a good voice
Apr 28 17:27:02 <qwerty12> rick rolled? :p
Apr 28 17:27:11 <pupnik> yeah, again
Apr 28 17:27:22 <lcuk2> have you seen the muppet one?
Apr 28 17:27:30 <lcuk2> with beaker singing :D
Apr 28 17:27:37 <pupnik> no, linky
Apr 28 17:27:42 <qwerty12> I've never actually been rick rolled because I keep my volume off and all the rick rolls aren't the video :/
Apr 28 17:27:59 <lcuk2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
Apr 28 17:28:03 <lcuk2> muppets ^
Apr 28 17:28:27 <lcuk2> sync is impressive
Apr 28 17:28:44 <pupnik> wow well done
Apr 28 17:28:52 <joe_mid> awesome!
Apr 28 17:33:04 <qwerty12> Bye.
Apr 28 17:34:41 * Mousey huggles nokia
Apr 28 18:14:18 <konttori> pupnik: Here again!
Apr 28 18:14:38 <konttori> I just managed to streamline the wiimote process... Stay tuned for a deb...
Apr 28 18:15:04 <konttori> It's now basically like this: You run the python script. It asks you to press 1+2 on wiimote.
Apr 28 18:15:06 <AStorm> all the wiitards unite! ;)
Apr 28 18:15:19 <konttori> You click that. And.... tadat. it's mapped to your device.
Apr 28 18:15:48 <konttori> dpad works as it should, a, b work nicely, + - work, 1 opens system menu 2 open app menu
Apr 28 18:16:01 <konttori> .... and it's easy to configure
Apr 28 18:16:13 <Mousey> wtf
Apr 28 18:16:15 <konttori> Now, for you pupnik, this should be so great to map to the emus
Apr 28 18:16:20 <Mousey> wiimote for maemo?!
Apr 28 18:16:37 <AStorm> yup
Apr 28 18:16:50 <konttori> Most of the work has been done by other people. I just made it now a little bit easier to use.
Apr 28 18:16:51 <Mousey> ye godz
Apr 28 18:17:09 <konttori> If anyone wants to try immediately, let me know.
Apr 28 18:17:23 <konttori> I don't have any gui, so I have build that and then do the packaging.
Apr 28 18:17:45 <pupnik> konttori: very cool..
Apr 28 18:17:57 <konttori> So, I can put the code to pastebin, but otherwise, I'll focus on that for the next hour.
Apr 28 18:17:58 <pupnik> you do many nice things
Apr 28 18:18:24 <pupnik> i can not integrate your work.  i can link to it if you want
Apr 28 18:18:28 <pupnik> welcoem back unique311
Apr 28 18:18:29 * Mousey doesn't have a wiimote
Apr 28 18:18:31 <pupnik> long time no talk
Apr 28 18:18:35 <unique311> hello
Apr 28 18:19:08 <Mousey> ...speaking of
Apr 28 18:19:12 <unique311> been working on a notebook.
Apr 28 18:19:12 <konttori> It's basically mapping the stuff as X events
Apr 28 18:19:38 <Mousey> ...does anyone know how to get "Mapper" to work with the internal GPS on the 810? i got it working with "maemo mapper", but the same method doesn't work with Mapper
Apr 28 18:19:46 <konttori> ok. I'm now digging into the UI code. See you guys in 0.5 to 1 hour
Apr 28 18:20:02 <Mousey> konttori: ty!
Apr 28 18:20:05 <AStorm> Mousey: you mean Map application or what?
Apr 28 18:20:24 <Mousey> AStorm: i mean "Mapper" which is apparently a fork of "Maemo Mapper"
Apr 28 18:20:34 <AStorm> huh
Apr 28 18:20:40 <AStorm> use GPS bluetooth device
Apr 28 18:20:42 <AStorm> and not gpsd
Apr 28 18:20:45 <Mousey> yah
Apr 28 18:20:46 <Mousey> but
Apr 28 18:20:48 <Mousey> it doesn't find it
Apr 28 18:20:52 <Mousey> it wants to scan for it
Apr 28 18:20:55 <Mousey> or some nonsense
Apr 28 18:20:57 <AStorm> weird
Apr 28 18:20:58 <Mousey> i mean
Apr 28 18:21:07 <AStorm> how does this Mapper differ from Maemo Mapper?
Apr 28 18:21:09 <Mousey> i know leaving the MAC blank works for Maemo Mapper
Apr 28 18:21:37 <Mousey> AStorm: i'd love to find out.. the graphics are prettier, there are more options.. but i can't get it to see the GPS so i can't tell beyond that
Apr 28 18:29:01 <webustany> hi there
Apr 28 18:30:12 <webustany> I'm beginning with osso, hildon and friends, and was wondering how you can get a "native" look for your apps. For example, I have a treeview, but it doesn't look at all like the fileview in the file browser
Apr 28 18:30:27 <webustany> it looks like a standard themed gtk treeview...
Apr 28 18:31:54 <fysa> What's a good example of a well-maintained open source project?
Apr 28 18:32:05 <fysa> That uses community tools for patch management/discussion.
Apr 28 18:32:16 <AStorm> like, uhm, bugzilla?
Apr 28 18:32:18 <AStorm> or trac?
Apr 28 18:32:42 <AStorm> What do you expect from a well-maintained oss project?
Apr 28 18:33:16 <fysa> trac is good -- but was hoping someone here had worked/dug into a project that for example used trac well to manage itself.
Apr 28 18:33:46 <AStorm> Try Xorg :>
Apr 28 18:33:53 <AStorm> No, just kidding.
Apr 28 18:35:09 <elb> Pidgin uses trac
Apr 28 18:35:10 <elb> and we like it
Apr 28 18:35:18 <AStorm> good example
Apr 28 18:35:25 <elb> as to whether or not we're well-managed, that's open for debate ;-)
Apr 28 18:36:04 <fysa> thanks elb
Apr 28 18:49:24 <plb> hm any new yorkers have an extra stylus for the n810 ;]
Apr 28 18:49:33 <konttori> 1st UI ready.
Apr 28 18:49:33 <plb> they are willing to part with
Apr 28 18:49:36 <plb> hehe
Apr 28 18:49:40 <konttori> (bad one though)
Apr 28 18:56:44 <konttori> pupnik: Any recommendations for the 1+2 keys?
Apr 28 18:57:09 <konttori> I'll create the first version without user modifiable layout (or two premade layouts)
Apr 28 18:59:19 <pupnik> konttori: no
Apr 28 18:59:36 <konttori> landscape or portrait?
Apr 28 18:59:44 <konttori> Do you btw have a wiimote?
Apr 28 18:59:53 <konttori> (as in, is there any reason to ask you)
Apr 28 19:00:10 <unique311> i use the wiimote with the n800 a couple of times
Apr 28 19:00:14 <unique311> cwiid
Apr 28 19:00:38 <unique311> works really good
Apr 28 19:01:45 <konttori> You should still love this new script. So easy to use. Two python scripts. No hassle. Easy to configure. Outputs X events, so all apps work with it.
Apr 28 19:02:05 <unique311> i tried it.
Apr 28 19:02:29 <pupnik> i do not konttori.  i have no interest.  make the buttons mappable
Apr 28 19:02:31 <unique311> is there a new release out?
Apr 28 19:03:21 <konttori> I'll make the buttons mappable. Just not today.
Apr 28 19:03:33 <unique311> kontorri, link?
Apr 28 19:03:45 <konttori> Well, I'm making a nice and easy to use version of the wiicontrol with GUI now.
Apr 28 19:04:27 <konttori> It's almost there now. I can put a test version for you now if you want. (or better yet, email it to you ... what's your email?)
Apr 28 19:04:54 <unique311> unique11210 (a) gmail.com
Apr 28 19:06:11 <qwerty12_N800> Do you mean that wiicontrol script by jldiaz?
Apr 28 19:08:10 <pupnik> "people use drugs to prevent death.  people use drugs because death is inevitable." - Arnim Sauerbier
Apr 28 19:09:09 <KotCzarny> quoting yourself?
Apr 28 19:09:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 19:10:20 <unique311> lol
Apr 28 19:15:42 <konttori> qwerty12_N800: Yeah, it's a derivative of that.
Apr 28 19:16:03 <konttori> No need to manually run the discovery, change the source code to contain the mac and has a UI
Apr 28 19:16:10 <konttori> (and desktop file)
Apr 28 19:16:44 <fysa> very cool
Apr 28 19:16:47 * lardman is confused
Apr 28 19:20:58 * konttori will now try packaged version once, then sends it to unique311
Apr 28 19:21:16 <unique311> thank ya kindly
Apr 28 19:22:15 <konttori> np! It's going to be: a) ugly and b) swamped with issues when you get it. Should be much nicer tomorrow. However, it's working already (which is nice)
Apr 28 19:22:18 <lardman> any TLB experts about?
Apr 28 19:22:26 <lardman> TBL even
Apr 28 19:22:34 <AStorm> ok, my N810 works
Apr 28 19:22:40 <AStorm> still charging though
Apr 28 19:22:48 <AStorm> I won't experiment from now on w/o a full charge
Apr 28 19:22:49 <konttori> I need to move it to threaded model and gtk main loop.
Apr 28 19:22:54 <konttori> and that takes a bit time.
Apr 28 19:24:07 <AStorm> and add some fresh new bugs?
Apr 28 19:24:47 <lcuk2> i thought bugs were the special sauce you pour over all new code
Apr 28 19:25:11 <lardman> is Gregale the last non-Hackers' edition release for the 770?
Apr 28 19:25:48 <fysa> do gestures work, konttori?
Apr 28 19:25:49 <AStorm> yes, OS2007
Apr 28 19:25:59 <fysa> i.e., twist/tilt/accelerate left/right?
Apr 28 19:26:38 <konttori> fysa: nope, but they should be *relatively* easy to implement.
Apr 28 19:26:44 <konttori> I'll just start with buttons.
Apr 28 19:26:48 <fysa> oh, and the remote speaker would be cool.
Apr 28 19:26:50 <konttori> Then comes the more complex stuff.
Apr 28 19:26:53 <fysa> :)
Apr 28 19:27:00 <lcuk2> everytime i try to use the wiimote with my 810 it gets some of the way along, but the sensor bar keeps falling off the top
Apr 28 19:27:06 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 19:27:27 <AStorm> hehe
Apr 28 19:27:38 <lardman> AStorm: is that the same as maemo3.0? I really can't remember
Apr 28 19:27:51 <AStorm> probably
Apr 28 19:27:52 <MangoFusion> sounds like a hardware mod is in order
Apr 28 19:27:52 <fysa> plug N800 into stereo receiver, then use wiimote twitch to skip tracks/rotate to change volume, and speak the currently playing track through the Wiimote speaker. ;)
Apr 28 19:27:57 * lardman looks for the old tutorial
Apr 28 19:27:57 <MangoFusion> bring on the LED's!
Apr 28 19:28:03 <AStorm> there's a page about that
Apr 28 19:28:54 <fysa> I should probably just take another bong hit.
Apr 28 19:29:09 <AStorm> or two?
Apr 28 19:29:53 <fysa> I need to become independently wealthy so I can pay people to do these 'what if ..' projects for me.
Apr 28 19:30:06 <konttori> I'm using wiimote.py by Will Woods.
Apr 28 19:30:22 <konttori> It has rumble, gyro support,
Apr 28 19:30:33 <konttori> ir tracking support
Apr 28 19:32:22 <konttori> doesnt seem to have the sound support though
Apr 28 19:32:37 <lcuk2> fysa, world domination is overrated.  once you get there you still want more and eventually discover its the trying which is important.
Apr 28 19:33:37 <fysa> this is correct.  as soon as something is working/the norm, I am almost immediately disinterested.
Apr 28 19:34:03 <fysa> but I need an army.
Apr 28 19:34:56 <lardman> fysa: a man after my own heart
Apr 28 19:35:16 <lardman> if everything worked straight out of the box it would be boring
Apr 28 19:35:41 <AStorm> Eris Discordia, anyone? ;)
Apr 28 19:35:53 <KotCzarny> yawn
Apr 28 19:36:08 <KotCzarny> Today is Pungenday, the 45th day of Discord in the YOLD 3174
Apr 28 19:36:32 <RST38h> who said world domination is overrated?
Apr 28 19:36:36 <RST38h> did you try?
Apr 28 19:36:40 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 19:36:43 <KotCzarny> which world?
Apr 28 19:36:53 <fysa> my problem is that the coolest ideas aren't necessarily the profitable ideas.
Apr 28 19:37:08 <AStorm> yes, maybe except Wii
Apr 28 19:37:09 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 19:37:19 <fysa> thus if I do all of them, my wife will leave me and I will become .. independently poor.
Apr 28 19:37:28 <RST38h> Kot: This one. We will discuss other worlds ater reaching this milestone.
Apr 28 19:37:43 <KotCzarny> people are b0rken
Apr 28 19:37:48 <fysa> setup a basecamp
Apr 28 19:37:49 <RST38h> fysa: But think of the triumph for the open source!
Apr 28 19:37:54 <KotCzarny> what's the fun of controlling world of people
Apr 28 19:38:02 <RST38h> Kot: You can kill them off.
Apr 28 19:38:07 <RST38h> Or make them build pyramids.
Apr 28 19:38:11 <AStorm> hehehe
Apr 28 19:38:17 <RST38h> Or make them build rockets and fly into outer space.
Apr 28 19:38:28 <AStorm> and have a space war
Apr 28 19:38:35 <RST38h> Not necessarily
Apr 28 19:38:42 <KotCzarny> space war takes too long
Apr 28 19:38:43 <AStorm> nah, that would be quite fun ;P
Apr 28 19:38:49 <KotCzarny> for human life
Apr 28 19:38:55 <RST38h> naval warfare is more fun
Apr 28 19:39:04 <KotCzarny> stick and stone is more fun
Apr 28 19:39:26 <RST38h> but because submarines and missiles are so effective, you would have to start by creating a rigid code of conduct for naval warfare
Apr 28 19:39:38 <RST38h> same for space war, actually
Apr 28 19:39:54 <KotCzarny> you don't have to after having one
Apr 28 19:40:08 <RST38h> That is why they had New Busido in Hyperion Cantos
Apr 28 19:40:31 <RST38h> Kot: Oh, the whole idea is to do it again and again
Apr 28 19:40:52 <RST38h> The whole mutual destruction idea is only 50+ years old
Apr 28 19:40:53 <AStorm> RST38h: well? why? Space is so immense, even without a code it'd be fun.
Apr 28 19:40:58 <AStorm> and not slaughter
Apr 28 19:41:06 <RST38h> Actually, the occupation idea is only 100 years old
Apr 28 19:41:22 <RST38h> AStorm: ships are too frgile
Apr 28 19:41:34 <RST38h> One good hit - and it is done for
Apr 28 19:41:37 <AStorm> add some shielding system
Apr 28 19:41:49 <AStorm> ah, wait, you'd have to command people to do science
Apr 28 19:41:49 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 19:41:51 <RST38h> And you can just as well use automated weaponry, with so many variables in space
Apr 28 19:41:59 <RST38h> No, no
Apr 28 19:42:15 <fysa> What if we conquered the universe out to the edges, and then ran into an all-encompassing nebula of salty seawater and were forced to build a new fleet of Seapace super carriers and battleships to pillage space pirates for their space booty and space bucks?
Apr 28 19:42:16 <AStorm> low-speed warfare would be like aerial
Apr 28 19:42:17 <KotCzarny> if you use automated weaponry why not just playing wow or something?
Apr 28 19:42:22 <RST38h> Nothing to do with science. It is too expensive to put big weights in orbit, and also expensive to accelerate them
Apr 28 19:42:33 <RST38h> Kot; ñÂÒßÅÄÌ
Apr 28 19:42:34 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/hillary_and_hillarie.jpg
Apr 28 19:42:36 <RST38h> Exactly
Apr 28 19:42:38 <AStorm> RST38h: currently
Apr 28 19:42:51 <KotCzarny> i don't have cyryllic font :)
Apr 28 19:43:01 <RST38h> So, to make things real fun, you would have to have a code of conduct
Apr 28 19:43:06 <RST38h> Kot: Sorry, wrong register
Apr 28 19:43:09 <AStorm> pupnik: creepy
Apr 28 19:43:28 <NullM0dem> clones
Apr 28 19:43:31 <KotCzarny> double creepy
Apr 28 19:43:31 <RST38h> The robowoman
Apr 28 19:43:34 <AStorm> oh, why clones
Apr 28 19:43:38 <AStorm> yes, ROBOTS :>
Apr 28 19:43:45 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 19:43:49 <AStorm> simulated warfare, but real ;P
Apr 28 19:44:07 <pupnik> tits
Apr 28 19:44:25 <sp3000> space tits?
Apr 28 19:44:29 <AStorm> pupnik: yes, so? the face makes it creepy
Apr 28 19:44:37 <pupnik> yes.
Apr 28 19:44:52 * sp3000 swoops in with an all-encompassing synthesis
Apr 28 19:45:08 <KotCzarny> one body, two heads?
Apr 28 19:45:09 <pupnik> the photoshop nerds can go stuff themselves.  you can do stuff with gimp
Apr 28 19:45:11 * KotCzarny shrugs
Apr 28 19:45:38 <RST38h> robowoman vs. faux-negro vs. old zoldat
Apr 28 19:45:39 <fysa> The Uncanny Valley, demonstrated.
Apr 28 19:45:44 <pupnik> i won't repeat your comments here KotCzarny
Apr 28 19:45:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 19:45:56 <konttori> unique311: sent!
Apr 28 19:46:06 <unique311> cool
Apr 28 19:46:11 <lcuk2> it doesnt sound the same if you gimp yourself
Apr 28 19:46:13 <RST38h> The funny thing is, while the first two are beating on each other, the third wins.
Apr 28 19:47:57 <pupnik> wank to hillary
Apr 28 19:48:02 <webustany> how can I get the same look for the apps I develop and the native apps ? For example, scrollbars for apps I develop are stock GTK, whereas the scrollbars in the file manager or in the web browser are "skinned"...
Apr 28 19:48:08 <AStorm> ok, we need rtorrent on the tablet
Apr 28 19:48:09 <AStorm> ;>
Apr 28 19:48:12 <konttori> Damn! key binding error.
Apr 28 19:48:13 <KotCzarny> the old saying is once black is president of us it's the end of the world
Apr 28 19:48:14 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 28 19:48:17 <webustany> AStorm: you got transmission...
Apr 28 19:48:24 <AStorm> KotCzarny: no, that was about the pope
Apr 28 19:48:37 <AStorm> webustany: nah
Apr 28 19:48:38 <KotCzarny> i have heard it with us-prezi version too
Apr 28 19:48:45 <konttori> I'll resend the deb to you
Apr 28 19:50:19 <RST38h> Kot: Do black cats count?
Apr 28 19:50:42 <KotCzarny> cats have religion and authorities in sandtray
Apr 28 19:51:19 <lcuk2> cats worship a god called Clister
Apr 28 19:51:21 <KotCzarny> sandbox i mean
Apr 28 19:52:20 <konttori> hmm... key pressed event isn't working properly though.
Apr 28 19:52:52 <AStorm> what do you recommend for me to install?
Apr 28 19:53:41 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 19:53:58 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 19:54:02 <KotCzarny> i sense something
Apr 28 19:54:10 <KotCzarny> you all know about 42, right?
Apr 28 19:54:28 <KotCzarny> this can't be only a coincidence: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=42
Apr 28 19:54:30 <konttori> unique311: Did you try it out?
Apr 28 19:54:36 <{abo}> Hi all :)
Apr 28 19:56:07 <unique311> installing it
Apr 28 19:56:10 <lcuk2> {abo} hi
Apr 28 19:56:12 <unique311> had to find the mote
Apr 28 19:56:13 <konttori> Oh man. It's working really really sweet.
Apr 28 19:56:28 <{abo}> I got a new N810. It charged one or two cycles, but then stopped charging. Anyone have any ideas what to do, besides returning it?
Apr 28 19:56:32 <kpel> hello
Apr 28 19:56:36 <konttori> I was just testing the image viewer. Works beautifully.
Apr 28 19:56:57 <{abo}> It was still on, so the battery wasn't dead, when I connected the charger. I watched it die...
Apr 28 19:57:05 <konttori> There should be a page up page down binding for convenient browsing.
Apr 28 19:57:34 <lcuk2> abo, take the battery out. put it back in again (so device is 100% switched off..) then make sure charger is plugged into wall and switched on and then plug into 810
Apr 28 19:57:40 <{abo}> (I tried asking in #nokia-tablet first. Thanks hfwilke. :) )
Apr 28 19:58:06 <{abo}> lcuk2: Tried that, kept the battery out 5 minutes.
Apr 28 19:58:24 <lcuk2> abo, you were using the standard nokia charger werent u?  ie the one for your country?
Apr 28 19:58:26 <{abo}> (And charged disconnected too)
Apr 28 19:58:31 <{abo}> Yup
Apr 28 19:58:49 <lcuk2> tried a different socket?
Apr 28 19:58:54 <{abo}> That too :)
Apr 28 19:59:01 <lcuk2> diff charger?
Apr 28 19:59:14 <{abo}> Don't have one at hand, but I can look for one.
Apr 28 19:59:56 <lcuk2> i think you might be looking at an rma anyway, especially since you saw it go off - there was no magic smoke was there?
Apr 28 19:59:56 <KotCzarny> multimeter?
Apr 28 20:00:28 <{abo}> The blue smoke is still inside it. :)
Apr 28 20:00:40 <{abo}> Yeah, I guess it's an RMA. Doh.
Apr 28 20:01:07 <lcuk2> if you bought it from a brick store you could get lucky if you ask to check it with an instore charger
Apr 28 20:01:27 <lcuk2> or ask around friends
Apr 28 20:01:58 <AStorm> hmm
Apr 28 20:02:09 <AStorm> where do I get that LMS plugin for Vorbis?
Apr 28 20:02:15 <AStorm> I have ogg-support 0.6
Apr 28 20:02:15 <NullM0dem> is it unsafe practice to plug in charger while n810 i powerd on, most handheld helds i have onwed can be used while charging...
Apr 28 20:02:26 <AStorm> NullM0dem: no, it's very safe
Apr 28 20:02:33 <{abo}> Yeah, I'll find another charger. :)
Apr 28 20:02:39 <{abo}> Thanks lcuk2 and others.
Apr 28 20:02:44 <KotCzarny> only charging can be slower if you use it
Apr 28 20:02:48 <lcuk2> NullM0dem, mines in and out all the time (ive got 2 - one at bedside and one near computer) and they just plug as i sitdown
Apr 28 20:03:16 <AStorm> ok, again
Apr 28 20:03:22 <AStorm> where do I get proper ogg-support?
Apr 28 20:03:26 <lcuk2> the only thing i would recommend is give that initial charge as long as possible.   give yourself at least some time to read the getting started before even attempting to switch on
Apr 28 20:03:53 <unique311> kontorri, it works over here..
Apr 28 20:04:01 <{abo}> Heh, I let mine charge fully before I even switched it on. Look where that got me! *chuckles*
Apr 28 20:04:25 <lcuk2> lol abo, shurrup - you have static hands.
Apr 28 20:04:34 <lardman> Has anyone here compiled a kernel for the n800?
Apr 28 20:04:35 <{abo}> :D
Apr 28 20:04:39 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 28 20:04:42 <KotCzarny> probably most of us
Apr 28 20:04:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 20:04:48 <KotCzarny> (@lardman)
Apr 28 20:04:48 * lcuk2 hasnt 
Apr 28 20:04:55 <Atarii> let me guess, you had some "Private time" whilst it charged?
Apr 28 20:05:02 <Atarii> and "worked up some static" ?
Apr 28 20:05:02 <lardman> I see it's trying to use nokia_2420_defconfig, rather than something with n800 in the name. Is that normal?
Apr 28 20:05:20 <{abo}> Atarii: :P I was at work...
Apr 28 20:05:28 <Atarii> i bet you were
Apr 28 20:05:34 <KotCzarny> i don't know, i used make n800_defconfig or similiar to generate .config
Apr 28 20:05:43 <KotCzarny> then i went to make menuconfig
Apr 28 20:06:14 <lardman> I was just trying dpkg-buildpackage with the defaults
Apr 28 20:06:19 <lcuk2> Spandex and nokias do not like each other.  the buildup of crass inteferes with the electronics
Apr 28 20:06:35 <fysa> oh, next time someone compiles a kernel .. pretty please try to enable md w/all raid levels.  I wouldn't mind playing with that.. ;)
Apr 28 20:06:46 <KotCzarny> heh.. package?
Apr 28 20:06:53 <KotCzarny> will it flash the kernel when installed?
Apr 28 20:06:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 20:07:20 <Atarii> Display stays lit > When charging does not seem to work in 2008he
Apr 28 20:07:26 <fysa> I want to see if I can take a 5-drive USB enclosure and use an N800 as a RAID server (linux software raid)
Apr 28 20:07:29 <lardman> KotCzarny: you never know; it might make a source deb though :-p
Apr 28 20:07:43 <KotCzarny> source deb? o.O
Apr 28 20:07:54 <KotCzarny> that would be an overkill for my 128kbit uplink
Apr 28 20:07:55 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 20:08:02 <lardman> with that said, it complained about too many files open or something like that
Apr 28 20:08:43 <lardman> hmm, arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-n800-camera.c:204: error: `tcm825x_regs_rx44' undeclared (first use in this function)
Apr 28 20:08:56 <lardman> rx44 sounds vaguely like a new model
Apr 28 20:09:02 <lcuk2> mine 44
Apr 28 20:09:05 <lcuk2> n810
Apr 28 20:09:11 <lardman> oh, shame
Apr 28 20:09:18 <lcuk2> ug!   jeesus i might try grammar
Apr 28 20:09:27 <lardman> :)
Apr 28 20:09:33 <fysa> does the N800 have a full-speed N800 interface?
Apr 28 20:09:42 <fysa> ..
Apr 28 20:09:48 <fysa> sorry, full-speed USB interface.
Apr 28 20:09:48 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 20:09:56 <lcuk2> seems like caveman is contagious
Apr 28 20:10:11 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 20:10:43 <NullM0dem> lcuk2: Im going to let it initially charge for about 8 hours, Im still waiting on my n810, I orderd from newegg and they shippe dit out of ontario CA, its been sitting thier according to ups tracking for 3 days :(
Apr 28 20:10:44 <timelyx> fysa: usb1 or usb2? :)
Apr 28 20:10:51 * timelyx is pretty sure it's full speed usb1 ;-)
Apr 28 20:10:53 <fysa> [  647.438598] usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using musb_hdrc and address 8
Apr 28 20:10:54 <KotCzarny> usually in less than optimal brain operating conditions
Apr 28 20:11:05 <lcuk2> they could charge it up for you whilst its sitting there
Apr 28 20:11:42 <NullM0dem> yes
Apr 28 20:11:55 <solmumaha> hmmm, device froze and after reboot sdhc card was dead :( hope it's not completely gone
Apr 28 20:12:01 <konttori> unique311: Great to hear that (I've been testing on diablo - so wasn't sure all the BT stuff would be the same)
Apr 28 20:12:04 <NullM0dem> b*st**ds
Apr 28 20:12:16 <AStorm> where do I get lightmediascanner-ogg?
Apr 28 20:12:40 * lardman sees that his questions have already been answered, the wonders of Google
Apr 28 20:12:48 <Jaffa> re
Apr 28 20:14:13 <KotCzarny> solmumaha: n810 ?
Apr 28 20:14:31 <konttori> I wonder how the SDL could be convinced to also accept the input
Apr 28 20:14:49 <solmumaha> n800
Apr 28 20:14:52 <lcuk2> sdl runs ontop of x i think
Apr 28 20:14:53 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 20:14:57 <lcuk2> at least on this device
Apr 28 20:15:00 <KotCzarny> can be bad contacts
Apr 28 20:15:12 <KotCzarny> if it doesn't work try reinserting?
Apr 28 20:15:22 <lcuk2> take it out, blow on the contacts and try again
Apr 28 20:15:37 <solmumaha> no, even switched slots
Apr 28 20:15:50 <KotCzarny> usb card reader?
Apr 28 20:16:09 <solmumaha> can't reformat it, but it detects it
Apr 28 20:16:18 <KotCzarny> uh.
Apr 28 20:16:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 20:16:41 <lcuk2> theres like kot, but not as we know it
Apr 28 20:16:41 <KotCzarny> what fs you had on it?
Apr 28 20:16:46 <lcuk2> life ffs
Apr 28 20:16:47 <konttori> lcuk2: But it seems that the events are not handled in the same manner
Apr 28 20:16:56 * lcuk2 starts using fingers instead of clubs
Apr 28 20:17:06 <konttori> I suppose it needs the up and down events of the keys.
Apr 28 20:17:09 <solmumaha> n800 that is, haven't tried usb
Apr 28 20:17:22 <solmumaha> default fat
Apr 28 20:17:31 * konttori will have to improve on that regard - games are where this babes at
Apr 28 20:17:39 <solmumaha> less than month old card
Apr 28 20:17:56 <lcuk2> konttori, not sure if its the right direction, but have you considered using the same method the raw mouse pressure stuff works?
Apr 28 20:18:09 <konttori> what's that?
Apr 28 20:18:13 <konttori> any examples?
Apr 28 20:18:18 <lcuk2> ill find link
Apr 28 20:18:34 <KotCzarny> solmumaha, if it's only vfat corruption then it's relatively ok, worse if it's a badblock
Apr 28 20:18:42 <KotCzarny> but still solvable
Apr 28 20:18:44 <KotCzarny> i think
Apr 28 20:19:15 <solmumaha> yeah, must try tomorrow
Apr 28 20:19:16 <lcuk2> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_usetouchscreenpressuredata/
Apr 28 20:20:52 <lcuk2> it manages to insert non standard events into the standard x events list which apps can listen for
Apr 28 20:21:04 <AStorm> blah,ran out of disk space
Apr 28 20:21:23 <fysa> 16GB card arrived yesterday
Apr 28 20:21:24 <AStorm> have to move all that to mmc
Apr 28 20:21:31 <AStorm> the system, I mean
Apr 28 20:21:33 <solmumaha> i so hope they fix this touchscreen double/triple click problem
Apr 28 20:21:49 <fysa> time for unionfs?
Apr 28 20:22:03 * lcuk2 feels inadequate now, i just bought a 1GB card :(
Apr 28 20:22:16 * KotCzarny has 4 and 8gb
Apr 28 20:22:30 <KotCzarny> 4 was a spare lying on the shelf
Apr 28 20:22:34 <fysa> 16gb was down to $60 and the wife needed a card for her camera, so I scored an extra ;)
Apr 28 20:22:41 * solmumaha used to have too
Apr 28 20:23:04 <|zeus|> morning
Apr 28 20:23:09 <|zeus|> strange thing
Apr 28 20:23:19 <AStorm> fysa: no, unionfs is suck
Apr 28 20:23:21 <|zeus|> i have two mini sd cards
Apr 28 20:23:27 <AStorm> time to move it to internal mmc
Apr 28 20:23:38 <|zeus|> 512m pqi and 4gb kingston
Apr 28 20:23:49 <|zeus|> pqi works fine with my n810
Apr 28 20:23:57 <KotCzarny> i have mostly mp3 and maps on it though
Apr 28 20:24:00 <|zeus|> but kingston doesn't work
Apr 28 20:24:03 <lcuk2> minisdHC i believe for larger cards
Apr 28 20:24:03 <KotCzarny> and cloned os
Apr 28 20:24:10 <KotCzarny> so 1gb will be more than enough :)
Apr 28 20:24:34 <|zeus|> n810 doesn't support sdhc?
Apr 28 20:24:36 <|zeus|> O_o
Apr 28 20:24:45 <lcuk2> DOES
Apr 28 20:25:01 <Mousey> yea does, homey
Apr 28 20:26:04 <|zeus|> so, why it can't recognize 4gb kingston card?
Apr 28 20:26:14 <|zeus|> my laptop recognize it well
Apr 28 20:26:20 <lcuk2> i dunno, mail it to me i'll test it for you ;)
Apr 28 20:26:39 <fysa> |zeus|, power down device, take battery out, put back in..  and retry.
Apr 28 20:27:06 <Mousey> and unplug from usb
Apr 28 20:27:09 <fysa> and hope that there was an issue with the mountpoint being locked by an old card..
Apr 28 20:28:06 <AStorm> grr
Apr 28 20:28:12 <AStorm> "Unable to uninstall powerlaunch"
Apr 28 20:28:18 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 20:28:20 <KotCzarny> 0wned
Apr 28 20:28:21 <AStorm> how to get rid of the damned thing?
Apr 28 20:28:21 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 20:28:26 <|zeus|> fysa: lock saved after reboot?
Apr 28 20:29:01 <fysa> reboots with power might just be an init down/back up?  I don't know.
Apr 28 20:29:17 <|zeus|> no
Apr 28 20:29:23 <|zeus|> it doesn't work
Apr 28 20:29:28 <|zeus|> VERY strange
Apr 28 20:29:43 <|zeus|> does anyone tried kingston cards with n8xx?
Apr 28 20:30:10 * KotCzarny has 2 kingston cards in n800
Apr 28 20:30:15 <KotCzarny> 4 and 8gb
Apr 28 20:30:16 <fysa> if it's kingston, it probably has a nice long warranty and can be RMA'd to try a different one ;)
Apr 28 20:30:38 <Mousey> is there a menu entry for powerlaunch?
Apr 28 20:31:13 <AStorm> I've one 1G
Apr 28 20:31:17 <AStorm> works ok
Apr 28 20:31:25 <|zeus|> fysa: yes, i'm already change one, but, again, it works fine with my laptop
Apr 28 20:32:13 * Mousey decides to rtfm
Apr 28 20:32:28 <konttori> yes. I'm on track to get the key up key down stuff working properly
Apr 28 20:32:32 <fysa> are you using a 48mhz kernel?
Apr 28 20:32:41 <konttori> thanks lcuk2
Apr 28 20:32:54 <lcuk2> konttori, that was a viable direction?
Apr 28 20:33:44 <konttori> well, it gave me an idea to try
Apr 28 20:33:56 <lcuk2> cool :D
Apr 28 20:36:04 <woodwizzle> I'm having some trouble. In the application manager, when I try to download anything nothing downloads. I tried refreshing the repos and it says it is downloading a 5kb file, the progress bar fills up and then it just waits
Apr 28 20:36:14 <zakkm> Hi.. i was here yesterday and i wanted to try to update my nokia 770 to the new 2008HE and so i got the windows nokia installer. .but it says it cant find my nokia? but it shows USB connected on my nokia
Apr 28 20:36:14 <lcuk2> 500KB/s with ssh is quick isnt it?
Apr 28 20:36:37 <KotCzarny> regular for n8x0
Apr 28 20:36:47 <lcuk2> zakkm, it is trying to find it in a Service/update mode.  if its detected as USB its gone too far
Apr 28 20:36:56 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 20:36:59 <zakkm> so what should i do right now
Apr 28 20:37:27 <lcuk2> consider whether you want 2008he on your device...   its testing only you understand and is not stable
Apr 28 20:37:39 <zakkm> yeah i like risky stuff
Apr 28 20:37:59 <zakkm> i use experimental / alpha / testing linux packages/distros all the time
Apr 28 20:38:04 <zakkm> as long as it doesnt brick it im fine
Apr 28 20:40:10 <lcuk2> does the nokia standard windows flasher actually update to 2008?
Apr 28 20:40:11 <woodwizzle> is it possible that my apt sources are screwed up or something?
Apr 28 20:40:30 <fysa> http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html
Apr 28 20:40:34 <zakkm> lcuk2: i dont know the guide on maemo said to download the bin .. which i did.. and the updater
Apr 28 20:40:37 <lcuk2> woodwizzle, its likely one or other of your repos are busted
Apr 28 20:40:41 <zakkm> i guess ill be able to tell you soon?
Apr 28 20:41:02 <lcuk2> zakkm, i believe the nokia updater gets the latest available public release for your device
Apr 28 20:41:22 <zakkm> it asked for the bin seperately?
Apr 28 20:41:24 <zakkm> for me to dl it?
Apr 28 20:41:30 <lcuk2> the 2008he i would imagine will need the proper full customizable linux based flasher
Apr 28 20:41:30 <zakkm> so wouldnt it use that bin i downloaded?
Apr 28 20:42:01 <lcuk2> im not sure, all i know is how it worked for me with my 810
Apr 28 20:42:04 <zakkm> how do i get into this service/update mode you were talking about
Apr 28 20:42:08 <lcuk2> others might be more helpful
Apr 28 20:42:14 <RST38h> ...Over the course of 4 months he and a friend constructed the rope using 18,500 condoms and a tried-and-true mathematical formula...
Apr 28 20:42:24 <woodwizzle> lcuk2: is there a  quick way to figure our which one?
Apr 28 20:43:01 <AStorm> RST38h: exquisite - which formula? ;P
Apr 28 20:43:04 <KotCzarny> 18500? that's expensive
Apr 28 20:43:14 <lcuk2> but flexible
Apr 28 20:43:23 <zakkm> AStorm , KotCzarny: do you remember me?
Apr 28 20:43:25 <lcuk2> woodwizzle, i guess you could dive into shell and try from there
Apr 28 20:43:31 <KotCzarny> zakkm: not really :)
Apr 28 20:43:31 <AStorm> zakkm: maybe
Apr 28 20:43:34 <zakkm> new guy to nokia 770 ? renceltly bought on ebay
Apr 28 20:43:37 <edugof> hi
Apr 28 20:43:38 <zakkm> roughly idk 18 hours ago?
Apr 28 20:43:44 <AStorm> so what? :>
Apr 28 20:43:45 <lcuk2> you may get clearer or more descriptive error messages
Apr 28 20:43:46 <KotCzarny> my memory span is ~1h
Apr 28 20:43:50 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 20:43:57 <lcuk2> less after beer
Apr 28 20:44:03 <KotCzarny> no beers here
Apr 28 20:44:08 <lcuk2> hence hte 1h ;)
Apr 28 20:44:23 <edugof> anyone knows why if i try to install exaile, i get the error: python2.5-osso, and python2.5-hildon? i don't know where find this packages!
Apr 28 20:44:34 <zakkm> how do i get in service/update mode?
Apr 28 20:44:47 <lcuk2> hmm
Apr 28 20:44:53 <lcuk2> my network just went walkies
Apr 28 20:45:13 <KotCzarny> my head just went boum-boum
Apr 28 20:45:19 <KotCzarny> and doesn't wanna stop
Apr 28 20:45:21 <AStorm> wtf?
Apr 28 20:45:22 <lcuk2> mines starting to feel better
Apr 28 20:45:27 <AStorm> my buttons work... differently now
Apr 28 20:45:29 <AStorm> why?
Apr 28 20:45:35 <AStorm> Ive disabled powerlaunch
Apr 28 20:45:37 <lcuk2> lots of greenness keeps coming out of my nose tho
Apr 28 20:46:01 <AStorm> e.g. power button
Apr 28 20:46:03 <zakkm> swap key = power button right?
Apr 28 20:46:10 <AStorm> zakkm: no
Apr 28 20:46:15 <lcuk2> :O winscp continued copying even when broken connection. thats clever of it
Apr 28 20:46:17 <AStorm> it works like a "back" button
Apr 28 20:46:24 <AStorm> while power button doesn't bring up the menu
Apr 28 20:46:27 <zakkm> so which is swap key?
Apr 28 20:46:29 <zakkm> on the nokia 770
Apr 28 20:46:34 <edugof> where can i download the python2.5-osso and python2.5-hildon packages??
Apr 28 20:46:55 <AStorm> the fsck
Apr 28 20:47:01 <webustany> edugof: add the extras repositories
Apr 28 20:47:03 <AStorm> it doesn't want to uninstall the damned powerlaunch
Apr 28 20:47:04 <webustany> maemo extras
Apr 28 20:47:05 <zakkm> oh its going
Apr 28 20:47:06 <zakkm> ;p
Apr 28 20:47:08 <webustany> (I think)
Apr 28 20:47:09 <edugof> hum
Apr 28 20:47:10 <edugof> ok ty!
Apr 28 20:47:33 <KotCzarny> yeah, sftp is nice enough to keep the connection up
Apr 28 20:47:38 <lcuk2> hey!   its only going at 259KB/s now
Apr 28 20:47:44 <zakkm> SU-18_2008HACKER_4.2007.50-6_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin <-- does that sound right.. for the nokia 770 ?
Apr 28 20:47:49 <lcuk2> its halved its own speed
Apr 28 20:47:55 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 20:47:57 <fysa> your CPU probably clocked down, lcuk2
Apr 28 20:48:02 <fysa> ;)
Apr 28 20:48:20 <zakkm> wow
Apr 28 20:48:24 <zakkm> 3min to go frm 2006SE to 2008HE
Apr 28 20:48:40 <flo_lap> re
Apr 28 20:48:49 <KotCzarny> say buh-bah for your 770
Apr 28 20:48:51 <KotCzarny> myuauahahahhahaa
Apr 28 20:48:55 <KotCzarny> (just kidding)
Apr 28 20:48:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 20:49:55 <lcuk2> fysa nahhh my cpu doesnt know how to go slow anymore
Apr 28 20:50:01 <fysa> haha
Apr 28 20:50:02 <lcuk2> but i did just confirm that
Apr 28 20:50:07 <edugof> i'm sorry, but i have the extras repository and i can't see that packages...
Apr 28 20:50:29 <edugof> i have: web-> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
Apr 28 20:50:30 <AStorm> yes, finally, back to normal
Apr 28 20:50:33 <edugof> dist-> chinook
Apr 28 20:50:37 <AStorm> no stupid powered breaking everything
Apr 28 20:50:41 <edugof> comp: free non-free
Apr 28 20:50:44 <edugof> it's ok?
Apr 28 20:50:52 <lcuk2> its not disabled is it
Apr 28 20:51:01 <edugof> it's not disabled
Apr 28 20:51:09 <lcuk2> just checking ;)
Apr 28 20:51:10 <webustany> edugof: let me check if I have those packages
Apr 28 20:51:15 <edugof> ok, ty
Apr 28 20:51:37 <RST38h> AStorm: Have you charged the batteyr btw? =)
Apr 28 20:51:44 <webustany> edugof: I have it...
Apr 28 20:51:53 <webustany> edugof: you might have to install it using the console
Apr 28 20:51:57 <webustany> sometimes packages are not signed
Apr 28 20:52:03 <webustany> so the GUI will refuse to install them
Apr 28 20:52:08 <edugof> with apt-get ?
Apr 28 20:52:12 <webustany> yep
Apr 28 20:52:17 <edugof> ok
Apr 28 20:52:21 <edugof> i'll try
Apr 28 20:52:22 <webustany> not sure though
Apr 28 20:52:22 <edugof> ty
Apr 28 20:52:27 <webustany> maybe there's a simpler way
Apr 28 20:52:52 <zakkm> 2008HE WORKS :D
Apr 28 20:53:20 <edugof> ok, with console i can install it!
Apr 28 20:53:25 <edugof> ty webustany ;)
Apr 28 20:53:34 <webustany> np
Apr 28 20:54:37 <AStorm> RST38h: yes, it's now filling up more
Apr 28 20:54:59 <AStorm> now at the peak charge, you know
Apr 28 20:55:06 <AStorm> a few hours to fill it up fully
Apr 28 20:55:36 <AStorm> doesn't say yet Battery Full, but the icon shows 100%
Apr 28 20:55:56 <zakkm> oh wow 2008HE is nice
Apr 28 20:56:07 <Atarii> yup zakkm
Apr 28 20:56:20 <zakkm> been using 2006 since ive got it a week ago
Apr 28 20:56:45 <zakkm> you know that thing when you close something.. it animates it
Apr 28 20:56:48 <zakkm> can you turn that off
Apr 28 20:56:57 <Mousey> 2008he?
Apr 28 20:56:59 <Grackle> Is it possible to install the maemo sdk on an internet tablet?
Apr 28 20:57:41 <AStorm> hard to do
Apr 28 20:57:44 <Grackle> Regardless of whether or not that's a bad idea :P
Apr 28 20:57:48 <AStorm> why would you want that anyway?
Apr 28 20:57:57 <fysa> install debian
Apr 28 20:58:01 <fysa> then install scratchbox
Apr 28 20:58:01 <lcuk2> Grackle, there is a gcc out there and you can put dev libraries on the device.  i would say yes.  but caution damaging the mmc and space considerations etc   (ive just got a memory stick for this very purpose)
Apr 28 20:58:02 <AStorm> you can get Debian
Apr 28 20:58:06 <Grackle> Just for fun, AStorm.
Apr 28 20:58:13 <fysa> then VNC to X running on sb
Apr 28 20:58:13 <AStorm> or just install dev utils, coreutils etc.
Apr 28 20:58:19 <fysa> voila
Apr 28 20:58:30 <Grackle> I can install debian?
Apr 28 20:58:30 <AStorm> yeah, debian in chroot would work
Apr 28 20:58:33 <AStorm> Grackle: yes
Apr 28 20:58:35 <RST38h> AStorm: !
Apr 28 20:58:49 <fysa> someone wrote an article about it
Apr 28 20:58:52 <fysa> one sec
Apr 28 20:58:56 <lcuk2> why chroot from another system - what is technically wrong with native compilation?
Apr 28 20:59:01 <Grackle> Oh, I thought you meant debian living natively on the tablet.
Apr 28 20:59:05 <AStorm> lcuk2: it is native!
Apr 28 20:59:13 <RST38h> slow?
Apr 28 20:59:16 <lcuk2> i have it open here : http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2008/02/08/native-gcc-on-the-n810/
Apr 28 20:59:18 <AStorm> I actually have that set up
Apr 28 20:59:25 <AStorm> just need gcc 4.2.3 in
Apr 28 20:59:26 <fysa> you can test apps without hildon i.e, VNC gives you full keyboard/input
Apr 28 20:59:34 <fysa> sorry.  I mean.
Apr 28 20:59:36 <fysa> without hildonizing
Apr 28 20:59:41 <Mousey> is 2008HE just another name for os2008?
Apr 28 20:59:43 <fysa> (n800)
Apr 28 20:59:52 <zakkm> how do i get rid of that meta-crawler?
Apr 28 20:59:56 <RST38h> 2008HE is OS2008 for N770
Apr 28 20:59:56 <KotCzarny> no
Apr 28 21:00:03 <KotCzarny> i mean no for mousey
Apr 28 21:00:04 <Mousey> oh!
Apr 28 21:00:08 <KotCzarny> yes for rst38h
Apr 28 21:00:12 <AStorm> zakkm: update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove
Apr 28 21:00:12 <Mousey> k, ty!
Apr 28 21:00:23 <fysa> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html
Apr 28 21:00:24 <AStorm> then apt-get remove metalayer-crawler0
Apr 28 21:00:32 <AStorm> (you can skip that last step)
Apr 28 21:00:42 <fysa> http://physik.de/770/
Apr 28 21:01:04 <fysa> sorry, ignore the second link
Apr 28 21:01:07 <fysa> the first one is interesting
Apr 28 21:01:17 <fysa> oh, the screenshot is good.
Apr 28 21:01:24 <fysa> that's in chroot
Apr 28 21:01:28 <zakkm> how much space would it require to run i guess a different distro? + *box .. preferably fluxbox ?
Apr 28 21:01:31 <zakkm> storage space
Apr 28 21:01:41 <AStorm> zakkm: at least 1GB
Apr 28 21:01:50 <AStorm> 2GB is safer
Apr 28 21:01:54 <KotCzarny> o.o
Apr 28 21:01:56 <zakkm> dang
Apr 28 21:01:58 <zakkm> ok nevermind
Apr 28 21:02:00 <zakkm> cant afford
Apr 28 21:02:13 <Grackle> I really need to get some more storage. 384MB is not really enough.
Apr 28 21:02:14 <KotCzarny> but you still may try trimming it
Apr 28 21:02:36 * Grackle tests out gcc
Apr 28 21:02:37 <zakkm> i only have the 64mb that came with it
Apr 28 21:02:44 <zakkm> but i dont want KDE or anything
Apr 28 21:03:07 <zakkm> so. . how do i install skype ?
Apr 28 21:03:32 <Atarii> application manager > installable applications > skype
Apr 28 21:03:34 <Atarii> but it doesnt work
Apr 28 21:03:43 <zakkm> why not
Apr 28 21:03:50 <Atarii> it logs in
Apr 28 21:03:54 <Atarii> but cant do voice calls
Apr 28 21:04:04 <zakkm> dang
Apr 28 21:04:08 <Atarii> complains about recording device or something
Apr 28 21:04:12 <zakkm> thats why i wnated my nokia? i guess im stuck with gizmo
Apr 28 21:04:19 <zakkm> skype has unlimited canada +US for $3 a month?
Apr 28 21:04:25 <Atarii> 2007he does skype
Apr 28 21:04:44 <zakkm> ah w.e
Apr 28 21:04:53 <zakkm> uhmm .. why is that i cant connect to open wifi's?
Apr 28 21:04:56 <zakkm> like some work most dont
Apr 28 21:05:01 <zakkm> like 10% of them work
Apr 28 21:05:13 <Atarii> too far away?
Apr 28 21:05:16 <zakkm> would the fact i upgraded to 2008HE from 2006HE change that
Apr 28 21:05:18 <zakkm> no like close
Apr 28 21:05:27 <zakkm> im in highschool .. and i walked around and half didnt work
Apr 28 21:05:28 <lcuk2> too close?
Apr 28 21:05:31 <zakkm> i got a network connection error
Apr 28 21:05:31 <dholbert> zakkm: can you connect to them with a laptop?
Apr 28 21:05:37 <zakkm> yeah
Apr 28 21:05:38 <Atarii> walking too fast?
Apr 28 21:05:41 <zakkm> ppls iphones work
Apr 28 21:05:47 <zakkm> no .. i stopped checked.. walked a bit.. stopped check
Apr 28 21:05:49 <lcuk2> oooh thats goota sting
Apr 28 21:06:02 <zakkm> people have iphones in school i even asked people
Apr 28 21:06:06 <lcuk2> right - i give up.  im never typing in here again. (until i do)
Apr 28 21:06:08 <zakkm> i only got access from guidance in school
Apr 28 21:06:13 <zakkm> frm like 30 hotspots
Apr 28 21:06:16 <AStorm> zakkm: there is a bug in udhcp, well
Apr 28 21:06:26 <zakkm> will my 2006 to 2008 switch help ?
Apr 28 21:06:34 <AStorm> might
Apr 28 21:06:41 <NullM0dem> cant you manually renew lease from a terminal
Apr 28 21:06:44 <zakkm> i dont mind if theres no way.. i just dont want to miss the fix if there is?
Apr 28 21:06:50 <zakkm> also
Apr 28 21:07:03 <zakkm> some wifis give me gizmo / rss update / application install/update .. but not web?
Apr 28 21:07:20 <NullM0dem> sounds like dns issues
Apr 28 21:07:30 <zakkm> so my nokia is fine?
Apr 28 21:07:36 <zakkm> i bought it used on ebay last week lol
Apr 28 21:07:39 <Grackle> oops, need to install libc6-dev
Apr 28 21:07:41 <zakkm> $85 -- nokia 770
Apr 28 21:07:48 <zakkm> Gracle: me ?
Apr 28 21:07:51 <NullM0dem> nice
Apr 28 21:07:55 <Grackle> No, I do.
Apr 28 21:08:08 <zakkm> o
Apr 28 21:08:21 <Grackle> Haha!
Apr 28 21:08:23 <zakkm> sorry ^^;; .. anyone know a good site for nokia backgrounds?
Apr 28 21:08:23 <Grackle> Awesome!
Apr 28 21:08:32 * Grackle has a working gcc
Apr 28 21:08:39 <AStorm> whee, now I have Vorbis in Canola
Apr 28 21:08:41 <lcuk2> Grackle, which repo was it in
Apr 28 21:08:42 * AStorm wins!
Apr 28 21:08:46 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 21:08:50 <zakkm> will canola work on 2008HE for me?
Apr 28 21:08:51 * AStorm is actually made of win
Apr 28 21:08:56 <AStorm> zakkm: should, yes
Apr 28 21:09:01 <Grackle> lcuk2, I installed from the repo that scratchbox uses
Apr 28 21:09:10 <NullM0dem> zakkm: im not sure of the bug that AStorm was tlaking about but udhcp is i assumer responsible for getting ips from hotspots and ensuring correct DNS.
Apr 28 21:09:14 <zakkm> on the blog post it said something like something works but canola doesnt?
Apr 28 21:09:22 <AStorm> NullM0dem: yes
Apr 28 21:09:32 <AStorm> zakkm: you have to do some manual setup
Apr 28 21:09:32 <zakkm> the ip is fine
Apr 28 21:09:36 <Grackle> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Apr 28 21:09:36 <AStorm> add ogg-support-lms
Apr 28 21:09:46 <AStorm> install libvorbis0a by hand, then that ogg-support-lms
Apr 28 21:09:49 <zakkm> Grackle: i add that?
Apr 28 21:09:55 <AStorm> these after installing real ogg-support package
Apr 28 21:10:11 <Atarii> zakkm i havnt got canola to work with 2008he yet
Apr 28 21:10:13 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 21:10:16 <Grackle> sorry zakkm, I should prefix my messages with the recipient's nick.. I was talking to lcuk2
Apr 28 21:10:18 <zakkm> thanks :P
Apr 28 21:10:26 <lcuk2> i spotted thanks Grackle
Apr 28 21:10:34 <Atarii> but i think there was a post on itt forum that it does work
Apr 28 21:10:41 <Grackle> This is very cool.
Apr 28 21:10:50 <zakkm> would debian itself be faster than 2008HE ?
Apr 28 21:10:56 <zakkm> with like fluxbox or somethin
Apr 28 21:11:13 <AStorm> might be
Apr 28 21:11:14 <towo> (What's with the HE?)
Apr 28 21:11:17 <AStorm> but not a lot
Apr 28 21:11:20 <NullM0dem> flux is sort of heavy vs openbox pekwm
Apr 28 21:11:21 <Grackle> hacker edition
Apr 28 21:11:23 <AStorm> towo: HE is version for SU-18
Apr 28 21:11:27 <AStorm> that is, Nokia 770
Apr 28 21:11:30 <towo> Ah.
Apr 28 21:11:30 <Atarii> lol AStorm
Apr 28 21:11:33 <zakkm> Null: i dont like pekwm
Apr 28 21:11:33 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 21:11:39 <zakkm> and openbox dont like lol
Apr 28 21:11:40 <towo> Vor people using old hardware, I see. ;)
Apr 28 21:11:45 <AStorm> yep
Apr 28 21:11:47 <zakkm> i really do like fluxbox.. i dont care about its low system requirements
Apr 28 21:11:49 <NullM0dem> me niether but it uses very little ram )
Apr 28 21:11:53 <Atarii> AStorm see if you can make SU-18 "catch on"
Apr 28 21:11:56 <fysa> ratpoison
Apr 28 21:12:01 <zakkm> no way
Apr 28 21:12:02 <AStorm> awesome
Apr 28 21:12:03 <zakkm> not ratpoison
Apr 28 21:12:06 <zakkm> next your say is dwm :P
Apr 28 21:12:07 <NullM0dem> heh
Apr 28 21:12:08 <AStorm> or ion3
Apr 28 21:12:17 <AStorm> alternatively, dwm if you're feeling minimal
Apr 28 21:12:17 <zakkm> i dont like those
Apr 28 21:12:20 <zakkm> tried on gentoo
Apr 28 21:12:26 <NullM0dem> try openbox yet?
Apr 28 21:12:31 <AStorm> ok then, I suggest xfwm4
Apr 28 21:12:34 <AStorm> that is, Xfce
Apr 28 21:12:35 <fysa> ratpoison is perfect on my media center box ;)
Apr 28 21:12:36 <zakkm> nah
Apr 28 21:12:38 <zakkm> i like fluxbox
Apr 28 21:12:47 <zakkm> i prefer fluxbox over xfwm4
Apr 28 21:12:50 <NullM0dem> windowmaker!!!
Apr 28 21:12:53 <AStorm> well, flux might be too slow, but your pick
Apr 28 21:12:55 <NullM0dem> i use flux too
Apr 28 21:13:04 <zakkm> NullM0dem: on your nokia?
Apr 28 21:13:07 <Grackle> gnome!
Apr 28 21:13:10 <NullM0dem> but i do know it uses more memory than openbox
Apr 28 21:13:11 * Grackle gets flamed
Apr 28 21:13:15 <KotCzarny> textconsole!
Apr 28 21:13:20 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 21:13:21 <AStorm> Grackle: Hildon is GNOME
Apr 28 21:13:23 <AStorm> so you lose
Apr 28 21:13:31 <zakkm> links!! irssi!!! ^^
Apr 28 21:13:37 <elb> hildon is not exactly GNOME
Apr 28 21:13:40 <AStorm> maybe matchbox in non-nokia config?
Apr 28 21:13:42 <zakkm> Hildon?
Apr 28 21:13:47 <Grackle> AStorm, haha, well, everyone seemed to be listing off lightweight stuff, and gnome is huge.
Apr 28 21:13:49 <AStorm> elb: it's mobile gnome ;)
Apr 28 21:13:49 <zakkm> whats Hildon
Apr 28 21:13:55 <NullM0dem> mine is not here yet :( I have setup X on many mnay low end machines where i have had to work ith very little ram
Apr 28 21:14:04 <AStorm> zakkm: it's the toolkit you use when using Maemo
Apr 28 21:14:04 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 21:14:09 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 21:14:18 <zakkm> i want to try fluxbox on my nokia
Apr 28 21:14:21 <zakkm> or fvwm
Apr 28 21:14:27 <AStorm> both will suck
Apr 28 21:14:35 <AStorm> esp. fvwm, with the amount of M4 interpreting
Apr 28 21:14:37 <Grackle> Does hildon actually use parts of gnome, or just gtk?
Apr 28 21:14:42 <AStorm> Grackle: some, yes
Apr 28 21:14:44 <zakkm> anyone know a nice site with backgrounds.. nice ones for my 770
Apr 28 21:14:51 <NullM0dem> remember you need 3 button mouse in flux to be efficiant
Apr 28 21:14:59 <NullM0dem> alt-tab etc
Apr 28 21:15:04 <AStorm> yeah, and you get only two
Apr 28 21:15:07 <zakkm> taskbar? :P
Apr 28 21:15:12 <AStorm> and the second is hard to access
Apr 28 21:15:13 <NullM0dem> true
Apr 28 21:15:18 <zakkm> its touchscreen .. -.-
Apr 28 21:15:19 <AStorm> taskbar eats screen
Apr 28 21:15:21 <Grackle> zakkm: your best bet might be to look in the screenshots thread on internettablettalk.com
Apr 28 21:15:25 <NullM0dem> and razm
Apr 28 21:15:27 <zakkm> i did Grackle
Apr 28 21:15:33 <zakkm> and i saw fvwm-crystal and fluxbox
Apr 28 21:15:38 <zakkm> but no guide or anything..
Apr 28 21:15:42 <zakkm> and they were like n800's
Apr 28 21:16:09 <NullM0dem> some people like to show off what they port, though it doesent ensure usability :)
Apr 28 21:17:07 <zakkm> vnc?
Apr 28 21:17:13 <zakkm> hey would vnc go like fullscreen?
Apr 28 21:17:18 <Grackle> Does chinook on the 800 expect mmc2 to be there?
Apr 28 21:17:20 <zakkm> so i would only see the remote screen?
Apr 28 21:17:21 <KotCzarny> nm; not true, it's all up to config
Apr 28 21:17:31 <AStorm> whee, now my Canola pwnz and I can drop the stupid media player
Apr 28 21:17:36 <zakkm> cause that would be wicked
Apr 28 21:17:37 <AStorm> for ever
Apr 28 21:17:41 <zakkm> Astorm: Mplayer?
Apr 28 21:17:57 <Grackle> That is, if I mount the internal card somewhere else, will it care?
Apr 28 21:17:59 <zakkm> GMLauncher to be exact ;p
Apr 28 21:18:00 <AStorm> zakkm: canola uses it
Apr 28 21:18:01 <NullM0dem> zakkm
Apr 28 21:18:05 <NullM0dem> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10214
Apr 28 21:18:05 <zakkm> oh really
Apr 28 21:18:08 <AStorm> yes, it does
Apr 28 21:18:10 <zakkm> omg get me canola :D
Apr 28 21:18:14 <AStorm> although messes that up slightly
Apr 28 21:18:26 <AStorm> that is, scales movies to fullscreen or full window
Apr 28 21:18:37 <AStorm> ignoring aspect ratio
Apr 28 21:18:45 <edugof> anyone knows how can i call from my n800 to a local phone??
Apr 28 21:18:50 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 21:18:53 <zakkm> i only download 4:3
Apr 28 21:18:57 <edugof> i think is with gizmo, but i don't know why
Apr 28 21:19:09 <zakkm> edugof: buy $10 gizmo
Apr 28 21:19:13 <zakkm> and run gizmo .. i use it in school
Apr 28 21:19:16 <zakkm> to call home ;p
Apr 28 21:19:17 <edugof> yeah zakkm
Apr 28 21:19:21 <edugof> other options
Apr 28 21:19:23 <edugof> free options!
Apr 28 21:19:25 <edugof> xD
Apr 28 21:19:26 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 21:19:31 <zakkm> there is a guide for free on the wiki
Apr 28 21:19:31 <edugof> i use on the pc voipbuster
Apr 28 21:19:33 <dholbert> edugof: none that I'm aware of
Apr 28 21:19:36 <zakkm> skype does $3 unlimited US + CANADA
Apr 28 21:19:37 <zakkm> ?
Apr 28 21:19:38 <edugof> ah
Apr 28 21:19:44 <zakkm> $3 a month
Apr 28 21:19:47 <edugof> ok, go see wiki
Apr 28 21:19:48 <lcuk2> anyone know the name of the SDL dev package?
Apr 28 21:19:54 <AStorm> zakkm: so you'd have a minor problem with canola
Apr 28 21:20:00 <KotCzarny> apt-cache search sdl
Apr 28 21:20:02 <zakkm> can i install it?
Apr 28 21:20:04 <zakkm> can i have the deb please
Apr 28 21:20:08 <zakkm> dont have wireless net at home
Apr 28 21:20:12 <lcuk2> thx :)
Apr 28 21:20:15 <AStorm> hmm, mplayer .27 is still slower than .25
Apr 28 21:20:30 <AStorm> as in 2/3 the speed
Apr 28 21:21:12 <AStorm> slow enough to skip frames ;P
Apr 28 21:21:22 <zakkm> ;o
Apr 28 21:21:31 <zakkm> can you get me .25 ?
Apr 28 21:21:49 <zakkm> please :D
Apr 28 21:22:16 <AStorm> simple, just download it off the repositories
Apr 28 21:22:31 <zakkm> i have no wireless at home
Apr 28 21:22:33 <zakkm> and im home.
Apr 28 21:22:35 <zakkm> i need the deb's
Apr 28 21:22:47 <lcuk2> yes, just get them off the repo
Apr 28 21:23:00 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 21:23:01 <lcuk2> browse with computer and search within
Apr 28 21:23:02 <zakkm> what is the repo?
Apr 28 21:23:25 <AStorm> repositories.maemo.org/whatwasithavetogoogle/
Apr 28 21:23:34 <KotCzarny> i think fanoush released tearsync kernel for 770 not so long time ago
Apr 28 21:23:47 <Atarii> http://www.gronmayer.com/it
Apr 28 21:24:07 <zakkm> whats tearsync kernel?
Apr 28 21:24:11 <zakkm> whats tearsync?
Apr 28 21:24:22 <lcuk2> it makes all the tears sync
Apr 28 21:24:24 <lcuk2> ed
Apr 28 21:24:27 <KotCzarny> trick to get a stable image
Apr 28 21:24:35 <Atarii> when you cry because you break your nokia but the battery isnt charged
Apr 28 21:24:38 <Atarii> ask AStorm
Apr 28 21:26:07 <AStorm> Atarii: ...
Apr 28 21:26:17 <AStorm> my Nokia isn't broken, dude ;)
Apr 28 21:26:31 <Atarii> not anymore...
Apr 28 21:26:34 <AStorm> ok then, tearsync is the kernel with vsync
Apr 28 21:26:58 <AStorm> enabled double buffering between gfx chip and lcd controller
Apr 28 21:27:49 <zakkm> cant seem to browse the repo on my pc?
Apr 28 21:27:56 <zakkm> http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Apr 28 21:28:00 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 21:28:06 <AStorm> no no, it's a subfolder
Apr 28 21:28:09 <KotCzarny> try http://repository.maemo.org/pool/
Apr 28 21:28:13 <AStorm> yes, pool
Apr 28 21:28:14 <KotCzarny> or http://repository.maemo.org/dist/
Apr 28 21:28:18 <AStorm> no, pool
Apr 28 21:28:43 <zakkm> thank you
Apr 28 21:28:52 <ssvb> AStorm: no, screen update DMA transfer is just synchronized with VSYNC, there is no double buffering
Apr 28 21:29:05 <ssvb> AStorm: at least on 770
Apr 28 21:29:09 <lcuk2>  failed in buffer_write(fd) (8, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/libX11.a': No space left on device
Apr 28 21:29:10 <lcuk2> :(
Apr 28 21:29:28 <lcuk2> captain, she needs more space
Apr 28 21:29:43 <zakkm> cant seem to find canola2?
Apr 28 21:29:46 <ssvb> AStorm: what did you say about mplayer .27 slowness?
Apr 28 21:29:52 <KotCzarny> zakkm: it's not in default repos
Apr 28 21:29:56 <KotCzarny> google for it
Apr 28 21:29:59 * Grackle opens the airlock to let some space in
Apr 28 21:30:10 <AStorm> ssvb: that it is slower than .25
Apr 28 21:30:15 <AStorm> quite visibly
Apr 28 21:30:19 <AStorm> but better than .26
Apr 28 21:30:20 <ssvb> AStorm: any details?
Apr 28 21:30:36 <AStorm> no details
Apr 28 21:30:40 <AStorm> 2/3 of its speed
Apr 28 21:30:41 <KotCzarny> do the -benchmark trick
Apr 28 21:30:42 <lcuk2> if i teleport myself over to an MMC will i be able to continue the install even though the locations will have changed
Apr 28 21:30:47 <zakkm> wish i bought a nokia 800 now :P
Apr 28 21:30:48 <AStorm> KotCzarny: ok, why not
Apr 28 21:30:56 <AStorm> ssvb: slower in embedded mode
Apr 28 21:30:59 <ssvb> AStorm: that's bad, because I don;t have such videos
Apr 28 21:31:10 <AStorm> what "such"
Apr 28 21:31:19 <AStorm> embedded mode is used e.g. by Canola
Apr 28 21:31:26 <AStorm> it is fast in normal mode
Apr 28 21:31:32 <AStorm> better than .25
Apr 28 21:31:36 <Atarii> what size is the internal 770 memory?
Apr 28 21:31:44 <AStorm> I suspect scaling is borked
Apr 28 21:31:46 <zakkm> 128mb
Apr 28 21:31:49 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 21:31:50 <AStorm> 64MB
Apr 28 21:31:52 <ssvb> AStorm: try to test -vo xv
Apr 28 21:32:05 <AStorm> ssvb: huh, I test with what Canola uses
Apr 28 21:32:10 <ssvb> that's exactly what is used in embedded mode
Apr 28 21:32:11 <AStorm> I think it does use -vo xv
Apr 28 21:32:14 <Atarii> so why doesnt the OS fit on a mmc < 1gb?
Apr 28 21:32:24 <KotCzarny> os fits
Apr 28 21:32:35 <KotCzarny> mine used ~360mb
Apr 28 21:32:39 <AStorm> ssvb: testing...
Apr 28 21:32:53 <KotCzarny> but it was about other distros
Apr 28 21:33:11 <ssvb> AStorm: what are you waiting then? ;) file a bug with benchmark results for both older and newer builds of mplayer with -vo xv output
Apr 28 21:33:30 <ssvb> ok, I hope we will find out something interesting
Apr 28 21:33:45 <KotCzarny> ssvb: anoush agreed to include op patch :)
Apr 28 21:33:50 <KotCzarny> fanoush
Apr 28 21:33:52 <zakkm> how do you rotate the screen in 2008HE?
Apr 28 21:33:53 <AStorm> ssvb: I don't know how to benchmark that canola setup
Apr 28 21:34:00 <Atarii> you cant zakkm
Apr 28 21:34:01 <KotCzarny> zakkm: 770 can't
Apr 28 21:34:02 <Atarii> :(
Apr 28 21:34:06 <zakkm> oh ok
Apr 28 21:34:07 <zakkm> thanks :P
Apr 28 21:34:08 <AStorm> it scales the movie w/o aspect
Apr 28 21:34:22 <AStorm> I suspect that slows it down
Apr 28 21:34:31 <zakkm> uhm whoever said it was 64mb is wrong
Apr 28 21:34:39 <ssvb> AStorm: it does not matter, scaling is free
Apr 28 21:34:41 <zakkm> in 2008HE storage details total size: 123.5mb
Apr 28 21:34:48 <AStorm> zakkm: it's 64MB of memory
Apr 28 21:34:53 <ssvb> it does not consume any extra resources
Apr 28 21:34:55 <AStorm> 128 MB of internal flash
Apr 28 21:35:00 <AStorm> ssvb: hmm
Apr 28 21:35:04 <lardman> hmm, am I going mad, I seem to remember seeing some output about the 770's framebuffer at the start of the dmesg output
Apr 28 21:35:11 <AStorm> -vo xv is slower than no -vo
Apr 28 21:35:12 * lcuk2 likes free scaling :)
Apr 28 21:35:13 <zakkm> it says 18mb avaliable.. does that mean i only have 18mb for apps"?
Apr 28 21:35:21 <AStorm> but not *that* much
Apr 28 21:35:49 <AStorm> somewhat, visibly
Apr 28 21:35:55 <ssvb> AStorm: surely it's slower, everything has its price, but I'm more interested in performance regression verification
Apr 28 21:36:04 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Apr 28 21:36:11 <AStorm> Ok, will test
Apr 28 21:37:15 <zakkm> can anyone help me find the link for mplayer .25 deb? for 2008HE?
Apr 28 21:37:44 <ssvb> zakkm: it does not exist, at least I haven't built it
Apr 28 21:38:02 <AStorm> wait, not .25
Apr 28 21:38:03 <AStorm> .24
Apr 28 21:38:10 <AStorm> .25 was bad too
Apr 28 21:38:15 <Atarii> lol
Apr 28 21:38:16 <ssvb> zakkm: but it should be possible to build a package for OS2008HE
Apr 28 21:38:32 <zakkm> i dont want to build myself :(
Apr 28 21:38:55 <zakkm> not running linux on my OS.. and dont have net on my nokia
Apr 28 21:39:01 <zakkm> to download all the libs and all to compile
Apr 28 21:39:56 <Grackle> zakkm, you should get the scratchbox vmware image, it makes life much easier.
Apr 28 21:40:04 <zakkm> what is it?
Apr 28 21:40:15 <zakkm> is it the nokia in a virtual machine?
Apr 28 21:40:24 <AStorm> ssvb: test it vs .flv
Apr 28 21:40:27 <Grackle> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
Apr 28 21:40:44 <AStorm> you should be able to easily see it
Apr 28 21:40:46 <Grackle> It's a virtual machine with the scratchbox build environment installed.
Apr 28 21:41:02 <edugof> anyone knows why i can't see the wallpaper now?
Apr 28 21:41:08 <edugof> i only reboot the device
Apr 28 21:41:12 <zakkm> omg lol
Apr 28 21:41:12 <lcuk2> zakkm, dont bother looking for an earlier package of mplayer for now - low hanging fruit.  get the latest and see if it works well for you before messing with older things
Apr 28 21:41:27 <zakkm> i cant even find the lastest -.-
Apr 28 21:41:43 <AStorm> ssvb: benchmark shows no difference
Apr 28 21:42:13 <AStorm> but testing on live .flv shows a lot
Apr 28 21:42:18 <AStorm> .24 doesn't skip
Apr 28 21:42:23 <AStorm> .27 skips moderately
Apr 28 21:42:43 <ssvb> AStorm: try -ao esd
Apr 28 21:42:47 <AStorm> testing
Apr 28 21:42:59 <AStorm> hmm, I'll download some .flv :>
Apr 28 21:43:01 <KotCzarny> and -noframeskip ?
Apr 28 21:43:04 <KotCzarny> or something
Apr 28 21:43:25 <AStorm> KotCzarny: nope
Apr 28 21:43:30 <ssvb> also with -benchmark option, you should get a precise statistics about how many frames were skipped exactly
Apr 28 21:43:36 <AStorm> ahh, ok
Apr 28 21:43:44 <AStorm> but how can I make canola grab that
Apr 28 21:43:50 <AStorm> anyway, need some .flv first
Apr 28 21:44:02 <AStorm> that is, mytube ;P
Apr 28 21:44:12 <edugof> omfg
Apr 28 21:44:18 <ssvb> AStorm: don't use canola, try mplayer form xterm with '-vo xv' option
Apr 28 21:44:29 <edugof> anyone knows why now i can't see the wallpaper?
Apr 28 21:44:30 <KotCzarny> or better from ssh :)
Apr 28 21:44:34 <AStorm> it does use xv anyway
Apr 28 21:44:39 <AStorm> so no need for the option
Apr 28 21:44:41 <KotCzarny> easier to paste results
Apr 28 21:44:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 21:45:00 <AStorm> KotCzarny: indeed, but I'm not that adventurous
Apr 28 21:45:08 <KotCzarny> edugof: nope
Apr 28 21:45:19 <ssvb> KotCzarny: from xterm on your PC in a ssh session ;)
Apr 28 21:45:23 <AStorm> where is that youtube?
Apr 28 21:45:26 <KotCzarny> i use aterm :)
Apr 28 21:45:27 <edugof> :(
Apr 28 21:45:30 <AStorm> uhm, youtube downloader?
Apr 28 21:45:46 <KotCzarny> astorm: does canola cache .flvs ?
Apr 28 21:45:59 <AStorm> yes, but I'm not sure I have any in there, let me check
Apr 28 21:47:34 <AStorm> no .flv here
Apr 28 21:47:35 <AStorm> hmm
Apr 28 21:47:49 <AStorm> any downloader I can use?
Apr 28 21:48:06 <KotCzarny> wget
Apr 28 21:48:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 21:48:47 <Atarii> we need an IRC bot to do the equivilant of http://www.gronmayer.com/it
Apr 28 21:48:48 <KotCzarny> gime me youtube link and i will give you wget link
Apr 28 21:49:06 <AStorm> Just grab one random Tom and Jerry ;P
Apr 28 21:49:06 <KotCzarny> atarii, i think infobot does that already
Apr 28 21:49:17 <KotCzarny> tom and jarry ? :P
Apr 28 21:49:20 <AStorm> but not the one with T&J in front
Apr 28 21:49:20 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 21:49:24 <AStorm> KotCzarny: why not? ;P
Apr 28 21:51:14 <KotCzarny> astorm: wget 'www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=Vx89Hvf29N8&t=OEgsToPDskLImjsqmwdcX2QDgUg2g9pB'
Apr 28 21:51:34 <AStorm> tinyurl?
Apr 28 21:51:35 <AStorm> ;>
Apr 28 21:51:39 <AStorm> I have to retype that
Apr 28 21:52:33 <KotCzarny> http://tiny.pl/nr1x
Apr 28 21:53:18 <zakkm> should i listen to the battery monitor on the nokia? i keep reading that i shouldnt?
Apr 28 21:53:30 <KotCzarny> depends
Apr 28 21:53:39 <AStorm> it is fairly accurate
Apr 28 21:53:44 <zakkm> it went down a bit
Apr 28 21:53:56 <zakkm> though i havnet charged for about 12 hours
Apr 28 21:54:02 <AStorm> which is correct
Apr 28 21:54:11 <AStorm> the full "battery gauge" is about 1h
Apr 28 21:54:12 <zakkm> ahhh 2008 is wicked :D
Apr 28 21:54:16 <AStorm> maybe a bit more
Apr 28 21:54:28 <zakkm> ?
Apr 28 21:54:31 <AStorm> 1-2h
Apr 28 21:54:36 <zakkm> i can only get 1-2 hrs out of my nokia?
Apr 28 21:54:38 <AStorm> depending on usage
Apr 28 21:54:45 <AStorm> no, the gauge is mostly full
Apr 28 21:55:01 <AStorm> only starts emptying if the battery runs down a lot
Apr 28 21:55:42 <zakkm> ooo
Apr 28 21:55:54 <zakkm> so full = 1hr+ ?
Apr 28 21:56:00 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 21:56:07 <zakkm> so i should charge it when i see a bit going down?
Apr 28 21:56:10 <AStorm> click the gauge and it'll display remaining time
Apr 28 21:56:22 <edugof> hum
Apr 28 21:56:23 <AStorm> zakkm: well, you can charge it when you want
Apr 28 21:56:23 <zakkm> nothing happens
Apr 28 21:56:29 <AStorm> huh?
Apr 28 21:56:29 <zakkm> i meant like
Apr 28 21:56:31 <zakkm> should i ?
Apr 28 21:56:40 <edugof> anyone knows how make phone calls from the n800 out of the US? :P
Apr 28 21:56:41 <zakkm> maybe its not in 2008HE?
Apr 28 21:56:43 <AStorm> nah, you only *should* charge it if it's red
Apr 28 21:56:50 <AStorm> zakkm: still should be there
Apr 28 21:56:50 <zakkm> k
Apr 28 21:56:54 <KotCzarny> astorm: not true
Apr 28 21:56:58 <AStorm> after clicking, a balloon should appear
Apr 28 21:57:08 <zakkm> LIAR! lol
Apr 28 21:57:10 <AStorm> you can charge it any time you want
Apr 28 21:57:10 <zakkm> its not working?
Apr 28 21:57:15 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 28 21:57:16 <zakkm> the volume / net / brightness goes fine?
Apr 28 21:57:18 <KotCzarny> that's more true
Apr 28 21:57:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 21:57:29 <AStorm> zakkm: hmm
Apr 28 21:57:32 <zakkm> any way to lower font size?
Apr 28 21:57:34 <AStorm> weird, probably OS2008HE bug
Apr 28 21:57:39 <zakkm> like lower dpi?
Apr 28 21:57:39 <AStorm> zakkm: yes, use another GTK theme
Apr 28 21:57:42 <KotCzarny> install another theme
Apr 28 21:57:44 <AStorm> no, don't touch DPI
Apr 28 21:57:56 <AStorm> there are 12pt and 14pt version of two default themes
Apr 28 21:58:03 <zakkm> whats default?
Apr 28 21:58:05 <zakkm> 12pt?
Apr 28 21:58:08 <AStorm> no, 16pt
Apr 28 21:58:16 <zakkm> wow
Apr 28 21:58:22 <zakkm> ok can i get the 12pt?
Apr 28 21:58:24 <AStorm> yes, the screen is 225dpi
Apr 28 21:58:24 <zakkm> deb?
Apr 28 21:58:27 <AStorm> zakkm: from repos
Apr 28 21:58:34 <zakkm> though im using nvouclear theme?
Apr 28 21:58:37 <zakkm> heard of it?
Apr 28 21:58:38 <AStorm> use the gronmayer
Apr 28 21:58:41 <AStorm> yes, I know
Apr 28 21:58:52 <AStorm> for nuvoclear, you'll have to edit the theme or your gtkrc
Apr 28 21:59:04 <zakkm> i dont want the theme program :P
Apr 28 21:59:04 <AStorm> ok, dled, testing
Apr 28 21:59:08 <zakkm> can i edit the gtkrc?
Apr 28 21:59:19 <zakkm> didnt install nano :(
Apr 28 21:59:26 <zakkm> well i had to flash 2008 ..
Apr 28 21:59:51 <AStorm> KotCzarny: kill you, I will
Apr 28 21:59:57 <KotCzarny> mrr?
Apr 28 21:59:59 <AStorm> you gave me some mishmash, but oh well
Apr 28 22:00:22 <AStorm> when I say Tom and Jerry, I mean it, not some spoof with modified soundtrack
Apr 28 22:00:23 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 22:00:25 <KotCzarny> second hit from google
Apr 28 22:00:29 <AStorm> mishit ;P
Apr 28 22:00:44 <KotCzarny> i have volume==0 so :P
Apr 28 22:00:52 <AStorm> it's a mashup anyway
Apr 28 22:00:55 <KotCzarny> could have missed it
Apr 28 22:00:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:00:56 <AStorm> should've noticed
Apr 28 22:01:13 <AStorm> anyway, no skips here with .24
Apr 28 22:01:51 <AStorm> and by no I mean 0
Apr 28 22:01:52 <lardman> I don't suppose it's possible to compile a 770 kernel with a chinook toolchain is it?
Apr 28 22:02:02 <AStorm> lardman: it is, why not?
Apr 28 22:02:08 <AStorm> just give proper -march
Apr 28 22:02:14 <AStorm> (kernel takes care of that)
Apr 28 22:02:16 <lardman> AStorm: different abi?
Apr 28 22:02:19 <AStorm> same abi
Apr 28 22:02:23 <AStorm> ARMv4
Apr 28 22:02:55 <AStorm> AKA arm-none-linux-gnueabi
Apr 28 22:02:57 <lardman> hmm, I thought there had been a change to EABI?
Apr 28 22:03:07 <AStorm> it was EABI from the start
Apr 28 22:03:38 <ssvb> AStorm: OS2005 used OABI
Apr 28 22:03:40 <lardman> ah, that's ok then, I'll give it a go
Apr 28 22:03:46 <AStorm> ssvb: yep, but not OS2006
Apr 28 22:03:47 <lardman> hmm
Apr 28 22:04:00 <lardman> what was os2006, Mistral, Gregale?
Apr 28 22:04:22 <AStorm> ssvb: with .24, there were 13 drops out of 5563 frames
Apr 28 22:04:26 <AStorm> testing .27
Apr 28 22:05:26 <ssvb> lardman: and scirocco too, these were sequential minor updates 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2
Apr 28 22:05:50 <lardman> ssvb: can you remember if these were EABI or OABI?
Apr 28 22:06:01 <zakkm> AStorm: so what is the best so far?
Apr 28 22:06:04 <ssvb> lardman: these are all EABI
Apr 28 22:06:05 <lardman> or was OABI only maemo 1.x?
Apr 28 22:06:15 <ssvb> yes
Apr 28 22:06:19 <AStorm> zakkm: what best?
Apr 28 22:06:26 <lardman> ok, makes life easier, thanks chaps
Apr 28 22:06:38 <AStorm> hmm, in non-embedded mode, I can't *see* the difference
Apr 28 22:06:48 <AStorm> or barely can see
Apr 28 22:07:13 <AStorm> maybe it's embedded mode that makes a large diff
Apr 28 22:07:22 <KotCzarny> or watching from net
Apr 28 22:07:30 <AStorm> btw, in .27, movie is scaled with aspect
Apr 28 22:08:10 <ssvb> AStorm: is it a good or bad thing?
Apr 28 22:08:14 <AStorm> good
Apr 28 22:08:17 <zakkm> nonembedded mode?
Apr 28 22:08:34 <AStorm> zakkm: mplayer can be embedded, it's some switch
Apr 28 22:08:38 <KotCzarny> It doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose.
Apr 28 22:08:40 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 28 22:08:43 <AStorm> it can then paint
Apr 28 22:08:48 <Atarii> zakkm did you find the 12/14pt themes?
Apr 28 22:08:51 <AStorm> on an already existing canvas
Apr 28 22:09:13 <AStorm> hmm, .27 dropped 10 frames
Apr 28 22:09:23 <AStorm> but in embedded mode, it's visibly worse
Apr 28 22:09:35 <AStorm> really, easily visibly
Apr 28 22:09:44 <AStorm> want a movie of that?
Apr 28 22:10:01 <AStorm> (fortunately, I have a webcam)
Apr 28 22:10:15 <NullM0dem> anyone here order from new egg?
Apr 28 22:12:50 <ssvb> AStorm: ok, thank you, I'll try to look into it
Apr 28 22:12:50 <AStorm> KotCzarny: care to give me a link to "Is there a doctor in the mouse?" instead?
Apr 28 22:12:58 <KotCzarny> link on yt?
Apr 28 22:13:03 <AStorm> yep
Apr 28 22:13:12 <KotCzarny> i mean give me proper link on yt
Apr 28 22:13:15 <AStorm> ssvb: the skips are regular
Apr 28 22:13:19 <AStorm> not action based
Apr 28 22:13:19 <KotCzarny> that i will convert
Apr 28 22:13:30 <AStorm> like, every second
Apr 28 22:13:37 <AStorm> KotCzarny: nah, just enter that string in the search
Apr 28 22:13:48 <AStorm> alternatively, author: GhidPitesti
Apr 28 22:14:02 <AStorm> ssvb: they are like, every second
Apr 28 22:14:48 <AStorm> maybe it's file transfer
Apr 28 22:15:08 <unixSnob> I've noticed the flash player unable to handle web pages quite often lately.  BBC News flash videos stopped working.
Apr 28 22:15:21 <AStorm> it depends, here it does quite well
Apr 28 22:15:46 <KotCzarny> astorm: http://tiny.pl/nr1w
Apr 28 22:15:56 <AStorm> ok
Apr 28 22:16:15 <zakkm> can anyone send me a videoplayer deb link for 2008HE please
Apr 28 22:17:11 <zakkm> media player trying to play a small mp3 . .totally like freezes my nokia
Apr 28 22:17:40 <AStorm> hmm, Hacker Edition all right ;P
Apr 28 22:18:02 <AStorm> probably dsp code doesn't work
Apr 28 22:18:14 <zakkm> it plays it
Apr 28 22:18:20 <zakkm> but on screen .. it like so slow it seems frozen
Apr 28 22:18:45 <AStorm> normal, slow CPU ;P
Apr 28 22:18:57 <zakkm> but playing a mp3?
Apr 28 22:18:58 <AStorm> you'd have to use a better player
Apr 28 22:19:02 <zakkm> on the builtin media player
Apr 28 22:19:03 <lcuk2> astorm, have you got the cpu meter thing running - that refreshes entire display 1 second and seens to cause dropped frames (since its the only thing continuously updating even though software is in front
Apr 28 22:19:14 <AStorm> lcuk2: hmmhmm
Apr 28 22:19:22 <AStorm> but it doesn't add skips in .24
Apr 28 22:19:24 <lcuk2> worth a try..
Apr 28 22:19:29 <AStorm> I'll check
Apr 28 22:19:43 <AStorm> might be stupid cpu scheduler biting again
Apr 28 22:19:53 <KotCzarny> renice X to -1 ?
Apr 28 22:19:54 * lcuk2 feels that pain
Apr 28 22:20:01 <zakkm> omg the battery went to half
Apr 28 22:20:03 <AStorm> KotCzarny: no, that will make it worse!
Apr 28 22:20:04 <lcuk2> nice doesnt boost cpu
Apr 28 22:20:06 <zakkm> this is killing my battery
Apr 28 22:20:11 <KotCzarny> astorm: have you tried?
Apr 28 22:20:14 <ssvb> AStorm: I suspect that I know what is the problem
Apr 28 22:20:15 <AStorm> zakkm: normal, it's fairly discharged
Apr 28 22:20:16 <zakkm> could it be the metalayer crawler? i havent killed it yet
Apr 28 22:20:29 <AStorm> KotCzarny: yes, it is the default
Apr 28 22:20:30 <KotCzarny> lcuk2: but may introduce visible glitches
Apr 28 22:20:35 <zakkm> fairly discharged???
Apr 28 22:20:39 <AStorm> added stalls everywhere
Apr 28 22:21:00 <AStorm> so, this scheduler has to die, a violent death
Apr 28 22:21:16 <AStorm> it's totally unfair
Apr 28 22:21:17 <lcuk2> just lower its threshhold percentage
Apr 28 22:21:20 <KotCzarny> bring back 1.3.x happy times?
Apr 28 22:21:34 <AStorm> nice 0 tasks get better interactive boosts than -1
Apr 28 22:21:39 <AStorm> KotCzarny: what times? ;P
Apr 28 22:21:55 <KotCzarny> redhat 4.0.4 (or 3.0.3 don't remember)
Apr 28 22:22:02 <lcuk2> echo 40 >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold   ;)
Apr 28 22:22:03 <KotCzarny> my first linux cd :>
Apr 28 22:22:37 <AStorm> KotCzarny: CFS is better, thank you
Apr 28 22:22:50 <AStorm> lcuk2: that doesn't have *anything* to do with cpufreq
Apr 28 22:22:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:22:59 <AStorm> and everything to do with nice 0
Apr 28 22:23:04 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 22:23:15 <zakkm> in 2008HE how do i set swap?
Apr 28 22:23:16 <lcuk2> yes it does.  if the cpu uses more than 40% over the period then it will remain high
Apr 28 22:23:23 <AStorm> ssvb: how do I make a movie scale to fullscreen, ignoring aspect?
Apr 28 22:23:24 <lcuk2> the default is 80%
Apr 28 22:23:36 <KotCzarny> -fs -zoom -noaspect ?
Apr 28 22:23:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:23:38 <AStorm> lcuk2: this isn't a problem
Apr 28 22:23:41 <AStorm> ah, -noaspect, thx
Apr 28 22:23:44 <ssvb> AStorm: -noaspect option
Apr 28 22:23:45 <AStorm> no manpage on N
Apr 28 22:23:52 <KotCzarny> you have google
Apr 28 22:23:54 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:24:05 <AStorm> fail, doesn't work ;P
Apr 28 22:24:30 <KotCzarny> how do you call it?
Apr 28 22:24:32 <AStorm> added all three
Apr 28 22:24:43 <AStorm> mplayer -fs -zoom -noaspect -benchmark tnj.flv
Apr 28 22:25:18 <KotCzarny> any suspicious messages ?
Apr 28 22:25:27 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 22:25:31 <ssvb> AStorm: i suspect that the problem is related to streaming and nonuniform data read speed in audio decoder
Apr 28 22:25:32 <KotCzarny> maybe -scale too
Apr 28 22:25:36 <AStorm> just 320x320->320x320
Apr 28 22:25:41 <ssvb> AStorm: try -ac ffmp3
Apr 28 22:25:54 <AStorm> ssvb: I get message that dspmp3 didn't work
Apr 28 22:26:08 <KotCzarny> it's disabled on os2008
Apr 28 22:26:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:26:13 <AStorm> KotCzarny: invalid option
Apr 28 22:26:16 <KotCzarny> unless you reenable it yourself
Apr 28 22:26:17 <AStorm> -vf scale is wrong too
Apr 28 22:26:37 <KotCzarny> i mean dspmp3 (gst)
Apr 28 22:26:40 <zakkm> is there any way to speed up browsing on 2008HE / nokia 770
Apr 28 22:26:52 <KotCzarny> zakkm: use links browser
Apr 28 22:26:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:27:01 <AStorm> ssvb: well, how do I make canola respect the option?
Apr 28 22:27:07 <zakkm> it didnt want to display google results.. on 2006SE
Apr 28 22:27:15 <zakkm> it would show web / images/ and stuff at top
Apr 28 22:27:17 <AStorm> drop it into /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf (or what it's called)
Apr 28 22:27:19 <zakkm> but not my actual search -.-
Apr 28 22:28:35 <AStorm> but then, to fully get the conditions, I need non-aspect scaling
Apr 28 22:28:44 <AStorm> doesn't work right now with any options
Apr 28 22:29:02 <KotCzarny> snoop canola cmd line?
Apr 28 22:29:12 <KotCzarny> ie. run vid in canola and ps axww ?
Apr 28 22:29:21 <AStorm> it's embedded mode, hmmm
Apr 28 22:29:27 <AStorm> but I'll try
Apr 28 22:29:47 <zakkm> whats embedded mode
Apr 28 22:29:53 <AStorm> ...
Apr 28 22:31:18 <zakkm> would google docs work well on the 2008HE?
Apr 28 22:31:23 <AStorm> blah, flv don't show up in scanner, will have to launch some
Apr 28 22:31:28 <AStorm> zakkm: yes, why not?
Apr 28 22:31:31 <Atarii> zakkm check out the logs for this chan from earlier today
Apr 28 22:31:34 <zakkm> didnt in 2006?
Apr 28 22:31:38 <KotCzarny> astorm: rename them to avi
Apr 28 22:31:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 22:31:43 <Atarii> i went through most of your questions with someone else earlier :p
Apr 28 22:31:46 <AStorm> KotCzarny: in a while
Apr 28 22:32:22 <ssvb> ok, bye guys, I need to have some sleep...
Apr 28 22:32:25 <AStorm> hmm, and now it isn't skipping? wtf?
Apr 28 22:32:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:32:40 <AStorm> or maybe is, but too slightly
Apr 28 22:32:44 <KotCzarny> local file?
Apr 28 22:32:48 <KotCzarny> vs network?
Apr 28 22:32:50 <AStorm> ah, no download
Apr 28 22:32:52 <AStorm> yes, local file
Apr 28 22:33:20 <AStorm> ok, so the skipping is cpu scheduler being an idiot
Apr 28 22:33:31 * AStorm wants to kill the O(rand()) scheduler
Apr 28 22:33:55 <KotCzarny> fiight!
Apr 28 22:33:58 <AStorm> I prefer O(log n) to O(rand())
Apr 28 22:34:09 <AStorm> KotCzarny: first, I need a recent kernel up
Apr 28 22:34:16 <AStorm> this needs more time
Apr 28 22:34:39 <AStorm> when ssvb is back, tell him it's caused by download
Apr 28 22:35:07 <AStorm> although, I remember local vids also having more problems, retesting...
Apr 28 22:35:22 <KotCzarny> flush cache
Apr 28 22:35:25 <KotCzarny> beforehand
Apr 28 22:35:31 <KotCzarny> there's a /proc switch for that
Apr 28 22:35:36 <Atarii> there's 264 people in this chan, yet it's only ever like 6 people talking lol
Apr 28 22:35:41 <AStorm> KotCzarny: that might be it
Apr 28 22:35:44 <KotCzarny> atarii: new to irc?
Apr 28 22:35:48 <AStorm> Atarii: as usual on IRC
Apr 28 22:35:55 <AStorm> only very busy channels have more
Apr 28 22:36:02 <AStorm> I suggest #gentoo as an example
Apr 28 22:36:10 <KotCzarny> or #sex ?
Apr 28 22:36:14 <Atarii> kot not new to irc :p
Apr 28 22:36:22 <zakkm> is kagu any good? for music playback
Apr 28 22:36:23 <Atarii> crazy idlers
Apr 28 22:36:24 <AStorm> KotCzarny: nah, that's empty? ;P
Apr 28 22:36:24 <KotCzarny> atarii: seems like :P
Apr 28 22:36:39 <Atarii> i was IRCing when you was still in nappies :p
Apr 28 22:36:41 <KotCzarny> echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
Apr 28 22:36:48 <KotCzarny> # To free pagecache, dentries and inodes:
Apr 28 22:36:54 <elb> this is pretty typical for an IRC channel of this size
Apr 28 22:36:57 <AStorm> KotCzarny: nah, canola preloads flv
Apr 28 22:37:08 <KotCzarny> whole?
Apr 28 22:37:10 <elb> it varies with the network ... freenode channels are almost all topical
Apr 28 22:37:16 <KotCzarny> and it's not canola i guess
Apr 28 22:37:21 <KotCzarny> only -cache option in mplayer
Apr 28 22:37:27 <AStorm> but it's not that
Apr 28 22:37:42 <AStorm> sorry, large movie skips after playback and rollback
Apr 28 22:37:43 <KotCzarny> still useful for mainatining same conditions on every test
Apr 28 22:37:55 <AStorm> same scenes are skipping ;P
Apr 28 22:38:04 <KotCzarny> more bitrate ? :P
Apr 28 22:38:25 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 22:38:25 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 22:38:29 <AStorm> but it doesn't skip with .24
Apr 28 22:38:34 <KotCzarny> 3mb of free space
Apr 28 22:38:37 <KotCzarny> bad.
Apr 28 22:38:41 <AStorm> hehehe
Apr 28 22:38:57 <KotCzarny> (on my 2nd pc)
Apr 28 22:39:38 <AStorm> I see 2 mplayers
Apr 28 22:39:44 <KotCzarny> threads
Apr 28 22:39:48 <AStorm> long options, e.g. -wid
Apr 28 22:39:50 <AStorm> yp
Apr 28 22:39:52 <lardman_> the crafty buggers
Apr 28 22:39:59 <AStorm> -slave
Apr 28 22:40:08 <AStorm> and -idx!
Apr 28 22:40:12 <KotCzarny> hehe
Apr 28 22:40:14 <AStorm> why does it put that, d'oh
Apr 28 22:40:17 <lardman_> they set the framebuffer size to 0x100000 on the 770, but on the n8x0 it's set to its actual size
Apr 28 22:40:20 <fysa> zakkm, best way to speed up the browser is to use VNC to another machine..
Apr 28 22:40:22 <KotCzarny> for seeking?
Apr 28 22:40:26 <AStorm> other than that, control disablers
Apr 28 22:40:31 <AStorm> but it still does scale
Apr 28 22:41:09 <KotCzarny> do you see compl;ete line?
Apr 28 22:41:13 <KotCzarny> or just 80chars ?
Apr 28 22:41:58 <AStorm> full
Apr 28 22:42:27 <AStorm> ok, got it, it's -vo xv
Apr 28 22:42:32 <AStorm> I sense fail
Apr 28 22:42:41 <AStorm> default options are faster
Apr 28 22:42:45 <AStorm> much faster
Apr 28 22:43:26 <AStorm> need to bash some canola dev
Apr 28 22:43:32 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:45:38 <KotCzarny>  |> 01Studio33-Studio33-Housemeister14-Twc.mp3
Apr 28 22:47:29 <Atarii> mmm paluszki
Apr 28 22:47:33 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 28 22:47:37 <KotCzarny> polak?
Apr 28 22:47:41 <KotCzarny> kolejny?
Apr 28 22:47:42 <AStorm> Atarii: argh, invasion of POLISH PEOPLE!
Apr 28 22:47:42 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 28 22:47:50 <Atarii> lol im not polish
Apr 28 22:47:56 <Atarii> i hav polish friends :
Apr 28 22:48:00 <AStorm> fortunately ;P
Apr 28 22:48:11 <KotCzarny> o.O
Apr 28 22:48:14 * KotCzarny shrugs
Apr 28 22:48:15 <AStorm> that would be fifth here
Apr 28 22:48:31 <Atarii> i can speak some polish but not write it
Apr 28 22:48:32 <AStorm> oh, wait, sixth
Apr 28 22:48:41 <Atarii> i like the food, and love the drink ;)
Apr 28 22:48:50 <KotCzarny> the drink?
Apr 28 22:48:55 <Atarii> vodka!
Apr 28 22:49:01 <KotCzarny> it's russian
Apr 28 22:49:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:49:03 <AStorm> firewater, obviously
Apr 28 22:49:11 <Atarii> debowa
Apr 28 22:49:11 <AStorm> but of Polish production ;P
Apr 28 22:49:15 <NullM0dem> vodka is russian and polish
Apr 28 22:49:20 <Atarii> zubrowka
Apr 28 22:49:29 <NullM0dem> im polish
Apr 28 22:49:39 <AStorm> NullM0dem: damnit, 6
Apr 28 22:49:41 <NullM0dem> well american polish
Apr 28 22:49:41 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 28 22:49:42 <NullM0dem> heh
Apr 28 22:49:48 <AStorm> hehe
Apr 28 22:50:11 <NullM0dem> we invaded along time ago
Apr 28 22:50:11 <AStorm> What is it in N that attracts Poles to it?
Apr 28 22:50:14 <KotCzarny> well, i'm internetish
Apr 28 22:50:20 <KotCzarny> to be honest
Apr 28 22:50:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:50:37 <AStorm> my nationality is Gentoo ;P
Apr 28 22:50:52 <NullM0dem> mine is slackware / LFS
Apr 28 22:50:53 <zakkm> mine is BSD :P
Apr 28 22:51:06 <AStorm> LFS, been there
Apr 28 22:51:08 <NullM0dem> open/free/net or drgaonfly
Apr 28 22:51:13 <AStorm> quite nice, but messy
Apr 28 22:51:17 <NullM0dem> yes
Apr 28 22:51:23 <zakkm> im not. im just trying to beat gentoo ;p
Apr 28 22:51:43 <NullM0dem> what do you mean beat, gentoo beats you
Apr 28 22:51:44 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 22:51:50 <AStorm> don't, it has problems already
Apr 28 22:51:57 <zakkm> ive used gentoo for like 6 months
Apr 28 22:52:00 <KotCzarny> slackware is almost lfs
Apr 28 22:52:01 <zakkm> but never messed with it too much
Apr 28 22:52:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:52:36 <NullM0dem> I started with dragonlinux on top of 98, I used 98 for 3 weeks and switched to linux
Apr 28 22:52:38 <KotCzarny> i like slack because of simplicity and stability
Apr 28 22:52:42 <KotCzarny> (in that order)
Apr 28 22:52:50 <zakkm> not speed? :D
Apr 28 22:52:58 <KotCzarny> speed?
Apr 28 22:52:59 <NullM0dem> I love it, I do use debian as well
Apr 28 22:53:01 <KotCzarny> on a laptop?
Apr 28 22:53:05 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 28 22:53:16 <zakkm> speed is important
Apr 28 22:53:17 <KotCzarny> for speed it doesn't matter what distro it is
Apr 28 22:53:28 <KotCzarny> i'm running fluxbox instead of kde (default)
Apr 28 22:53:44 <zakkm> fluxbox is nice
Apr 28 22:53:45 <zakkm> :D
Apr 28 22:53:47 <KotCzarny> and my custom kernel
Apr 28 22:53:50 <zakkm> run xcompmgr?
Apr 28 22:53:55 <zakkm> or ecomorph?
Apr 28 22:53:55 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 28 22:53:58 <NullM0dem> well RHEL or ubuntu on say a 500mhz with 128 mega ram vs slackware? you would see a big differance
Apr 28 22:54:16 <zakkm> redhat has Security thingy
Apr 28 22:54:19 <zakkm> that makes it really slow :P
Apr 28 22:54:26 <NullM0dem> yeah SElinux does slow everything down
Apr 28 22:54:47 <zakkm> how do i delete the whole metalayer-crawler simplely ( new flashed 2008HE.. cant install apps/ never did yet )
Apr 28 22:55:13 <KotCzarny> zakkm: remove the symlink starting it in /etc/rc2.d/
Apr 28 22:55:22 <KotCzarny> or change S to K in the name
Apr 28 22:55:23 <zakkm> i can do cd /etc ? in xterminal?
Apr 28 22:55:32 <KotCzarny> root needed for renaming though
Apr 28 22:55:40 <KotCzarny> so ssh/gainroot
Apr 28 22:55:47 <zakkm> i cant install apps -.-
Apr 28 22:55:55 <zakkm> unless i can get the deb on my pc?
Apr 28 22:55:59 <zakkm> i have no wifi..>!
Apr 28 22:56:06 <Atarii> use linux flasher to enable R&D mode
Apr 28 22:56:36 <KotCzarny> panguinbait: hello
Apr 28 22:56:38 <zakkm> something is killing my battery
Apr 28 22:56:39 <KotCzarny> erm
Apr 28 22:56:42 <KotCzarny> penguinbait
Apr 28 22:56:51 <zakkm> and taking alot of cpu this is so slow :D
Apr 28 22:56:55 <penguinbait> hey
Apr 28 22:57:01 <zakkm> i heard adblock app ? increases browser speed?
Apr 28 22:57:06 <zakkm> what about microb vs default?
Apr 28 22:57:08 <AStorm> Ok, fyi: -vo xv disables omapfb scaler for some reason
Apr 28 22:57:19 <KotCzarny> pb: care to share fluxbox on os2008 howto?
Apr 28 22:57:22 <zakkm> can you do -vo x11 ?
Apr 28 22:57:32 <AStorm> I can do -vo omapfb
Apr 28 22:57:33 <KotCzarny> -vo omapfb
Apr 28 22:57:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:57:39 <KotCzarny> it's better
Apr 28 22:57:49 <zakkm> -vo opengl :D
Apr 28 22:57:50 <penguinbait> KotC its like nike
Apr 28 22:57:56 <penguinbait> just do it
Apr 28 22:57:59 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 22:58:02 <zakkm> hey
Apr 28 22:58:10 <zakkm> Kot: you can do -vo null .. and make it a audio player?
Apr 28 22:58:14 <KotCzarny> pb: still, all those dsme and tips would be nice
Apr 28 22:58:18 <KotCzarny> zakkm: yes
Apr 28 22:58:29 <KotCzarny> but i think you should also do -vc null or something
Apr 28 22:58:37 <penguinbait> I am merely a hack, you dont want my tips :)
Apr 28 22:58:42 <KotCzarny> because it will waste cycles for vid devoding
Apr 28 22:58:51 <KotCzarny> pb: i'm a hacker! ;)
Apr 28 22:58:57 <KotCzarny> pb: i like hack tips
Apr 28 22:59:00 <zakkm> ah
Apr 28 22:59:23 <penguinbait> best hack tip ever!
Apr 28 22:59:28 <penguinbait> RTFM
Apr 28 22:59:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 22:59:34 <KotCzarny> which manual?
Apr 28 22:59:38 <penguinbait> all of them
Apr 28 22:59:52 <KotCzarny> not going to happen in human life
Apr 28 22:59:52 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:00:16 <penguinbait> I need a memory upgrade desprately
Apr 28 23:00:29 <zakkm> why is GPS enabled in 2008HE -.-
Apr 28 23:00:35 <KotCzarny> i need a new chair
Apr 28 23:00:36 <zakkm> disabling mightve helped things?
Apr 28 23:01:00 <KotCzarny> maybe it assumes someone could want to use it?
Apr 28 23:01:01 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:01:07 <Grackle> What might it help?
Apr 28 23:01:11 <zakkm> is there GPS on nokia 770 ?
Apr 28 23:01:20 <KotCzarny> grackle: memory footprint?
Apr 28 23:01:29 <KotCzarny> zakkm: does 770 have bluetooth?
Apr 28 23:01:31 <zakkm> memory is high on the 2008HE for a nokia :P
Apr 28 23:01:38 <zakkm> Kot: i believe so?
Apr 28 23:01:42 <zakkm> for phone access?
Apr 28 23:01:47 <KotCzarny> then bt gps
Apr 28 23:01:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:01:54 <zakkm> bt gps?
Apr 28 23:01:56 <zakkm> o
Apr 28 23:02:00 <zakkm> ???
Apr 28 23:02:05 <zakkm> it only connects to phones though
Apr 28 23:02:08 <zakkm> it wouldnt connect to my pc?
Apr 28 23:02:12 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 28 23:02:22 <KotCzarny> pan or something
Apr 28 23:02:29 <KotCzarny> never used yet
Apr 28 23:02:43 <zakkm> any like speed tricks for 2008HE?
Apr 28 23:02:53 <zakkm> should i be using a custom kernel? or something
Apr 28 23:02:59 <penguinbait> run it on a n800/810
Apr 28 23:03:03 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:03:07 <penguinbait> should make it faster
Apr 28 23:03:14 <zakkm> give me a n800/810 and ill be sure to use it :D
Apr 28 23:03:24 <zakkm> even send you pics if you would like
Apr 28 23:03:29 <NullM0dem> heh
Apr 28 23:03:39 <KotCzarny> i use n800 in the toilet often
Apr 28 23:03:41 <NullM0dem> woah, heya penguin bait!
Apr 28 23:03:47 <KotCzarny> nice for those lengthy waits
Apr 28 23:03:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:03:57 <penguinbait> hey
Apr 28 23:04:07 <NullM0dem> ive been anticipating that use
Apr 28 23:04:33 <KotCzarny> previously i have used some china made tetris game
Apr 28 23:04:36 <KotCzarny> worked nicely too
Apr 28 23:04:37 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:05:08 <lcuk2> zakkm, ill send you pics of my 810 if you send pics of you using it
Apr 28 23:05:23 <NullM0dem> penguinbait: just wanted to say hey, Im new to maemo, and have read quite a deal of what you have written.
Apr 28 23:05:30 <zakkm> lcuk2 : no thanks :D
Apr 28 23:05:42 <zakkm> im scared all of you are really old :D
Apr 28 23:05:49 <penguinbait> nice to meet ya
Apr 28 23:05:49 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 28 23:05:54 <KotCzarny> like 50
Apr 28 23:05:58 <zakkm> wow
Apr 28 23:06:01 <zakkm> im 17 ^^;;
Apr 28 23:06:08 <shapr> I'm old.
Apr 28 23:06:15 <penguinbait> me too
Apr 28 23:06:18 <penguinbait> I think ??
Apr 28 23:06:22 <lcuk2> 50.   50!   when i was 50 we used to have to get our internet from a fella down 'th street
Apr 28 23:06:23 <KotCzarny> inside or outside?
Apr 28 23:06:32 <Atarii> lol
Apr 28 23:06:33 <briand> 17?  dang.. you're not even out of alpha, yet... let alone beta!!
Apr 28 23:06:48 <penguinbait> ok, I'm in the middle somewhere
Apr 28 23:06:50 <zakkm> Milestone :D
Apr 28 23:06:52 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 28 23:07:07 <briand> milestone?  not even at a 'dot-release' yet
Apr 28 23:07:09 <briand> heheh
Apr 28 23:07:10 <KotCzarny> does it matter
Apr 28 23:07:23 <KotCzarny> you are always 'there and now'
Apr 28 23:07:28 <KotCzarny> no matter where and when you are
Apr 28 23:07:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:07:34 <lcuk2> biwnite folks goin watchin end of terminator sarah thingy
Apr 28 23:07:35 <briand> not me.
Apr 28 23:07:37 <KotCzarny> nite nite
Apr 28 23:07:39 <briand> I'm 'here and now', always
Apr 28 23:07:41 <zakkm> lcuk
Apr 28 23:07:43 <zakkm> is that season 2?
Apr 28 23:07:56 <zakkm> i saw s1 1-10 but i thought that was it?
Apr 28 23:08:03 <lcuk2> no! they only just announced that it might happen
Apr 28 23:08:08 <lcuk2> 1..10 ?
Apr 28 23:08:12 <lcuk2> i thought there was only 9
Apr 28 23:08:13 <KotCzarny> terminator series?
Apr 28 23:08:15 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 28 23:08:19 <lcuk2> yer
Apr 28 23:08:22 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 23:08:25 <zakkm> maybe 9 lol
Apr 28 23:08:47 <briand> maybe it's zero-indexed, so 9 would be the 10th...  ;)
Apr 28 23:08:50 <lcuk2> im just settling down to watch finale, if ive gotta download another now im gonna have a shitfit
Apr 28 23:09:08 <zakkm> how come web is soooooooooooooooooooo slow.. on a local html file?
Apr 28 23:09:17 <zakkm> web rbrowser is so unusable
Apr 28 23:09:22 <KotCzarny> zakkm: not enough free memory
Apr 28 23:09:26 <lcuk2> you are lucky, theres only 9
Apr 28 23:09:30 <zakkm> i gave swap?
Apr 28 23:09:37 <lcuk2> gnite all
Apr 28 23:09:37 <KotCzarny> that could get core milion to halt
Apr 28 23:09:46 <zakkm> ?
Apr 28 23:09:58 <KotCzarny> does it use it?
Apr 28 23:10:11 <zakkm> you tell me lol
Apr 28 23:10:13 <KotCzarny> what's the output of 'free' ?
Apr 28 23:10:19 <penguinbait> anybody want to test my boot from SD deb?
Apr 28 23:10:19 <zakkm> onesec
Apr 28 23:10:25 <zakkm> ok its frozen
Apr 28 23:10:26 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:10:35 <KotCzarny> yup, low memory situation
Apr 28 23:10:50 <KotCzarny> probably ate all memory and swap
Apr 28 23:11:04 <zakkm> i gave as much as i have
Apr 28 23:11:08 <zakkm> all i have is the original 64mb ?
Apr 28 23:11:08 <KotCzarny> pity there's no flash memory activity led
Apr 28 23:11:10 <penguinbait> n900 needs 512MB RAM
Apr 28 23:11:24 <elb> say bye-bye to battery life!
Apr 28 23:11:26 <KotCzarny> pb: and 3Ah battery?
Apr 28 23:11:29 <penguinbait> who uses flash anyway?
Apr 28 23:11:32 <zakkm> elb????
Apr 28 23:11:38 <KotCzarny> pb: sd is flash
Apr 28 23:11:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:11:46 <elb> zakkm: ??????????? what?
Apr 28 23:11:50 <zakkm> i have to use RS-MMC -.-
Apr 28 23:11:58 <penguinbait> not the flash I was referring to
Apr 28 23:12:27 <KotCzarny> pb: for adobe's flash, youtube uses it
Apr 28 23:12:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:12:45 <zakkm> wht the
Apr 28 23:12:52 <zakkm> with no apps except terminal
Apr 28 23:12:59 <KotCzarny> killed
Apr 28 23:13:01 <KotCzarny> probably
Apr 28 23:13:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:13:17 <zakkm> total 62224 used 60800 free 1424
Apr 28 23:13:22 <zakkm> what happened there? !?!?!?
Apr 28 23:13:28 <fysa> zakkm, OS2008 was NOT meant for 64mb
Apr 28 23:13:30 <zakkm> just xterm is open
Apr 28 23:13:32 <fysa> it's a hack.
Apr 28 23:13:38 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 23:13:41 <KotCzarny> zakkm: you need bigger swap
Apr 28 23:13:41 <zakkm> how come its not accepting my swap
Apr 28 23:13:45 <KotCzarny> or another browser
Apr 28 23:13:46 <zakkm> it shows blank
Apr 28 23:13:48 <zakkm> but i have a swap file
Apr 28 23:13:50 <KotCzarny> links2 for example
Apr 28 23:13:58 <zakkm> can i do links -g?
Apr 28 23:14:01 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 28 23:14:16 <KotCzarny> but you have to compile it for yourself
Apr 28 23:14:18 <zakkm> does the one in repos have the -g useflag?
Apr 28 23:14:20 <KotCzarny> or find the binary somewhere
Apr 28 23:14:25 <KotCzarny> try it
Apr 28 23:14:27 <zakkm> cant
Apr 28 23:14:28 <zakkm> no wifi
Apr 28 23:14:29 <zakkm> ;p
Apr 28 23:14:38 <penguinbait> its in the icewm tarball posted on ITT
Apr 28 23:14:39 <KotCzarny> usually if the size >1.5mb it has graphics compiled in
Apr 28 23:14:39 <zakkm> how come its not accepting my swap partition
Apr 28 23:14:58 <KotCzarny> define 'not accepting'
Apr 28 23:15:09 <penguinbait> did you mkswap it
Apr 28 23:15:13 <zakkm> its not showing it as being used
Apr 28 23:15:14 <NullM0dem> penguinbait: youv'e pretty much ported 90% of the apps i would like to run on my n810 :-
Apr 28 23:15:23 <zakkm> i used the control panel - memory. .for 2006?
Apr 28 23:15:27 <zakkm> and then i flashed for '08
Apr 28 23:15:31 <penguinbait> oh
Apr 28 23:15:38 <KotCzarny> then you have to reenable it again
Apr 28 23:16:29 <KotCzarny> but beware if it sets up swap on internal flash instead of mmc :)
Apr 28 23:16:52 <zakkm> theres only 13mb left on internal -.-
Apr 28 23:16:55 <zakkm> wht the hell
Apr 28 23:17:00 <zakkm> i cant install anything? much
Apr 28 23:17:14 <KotCzarny> os2008 is.. bigger
Apr 28 23:17:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:17:25 <zakkm> i really really like it :D
Apr 28 23:17:30 <Atarii> zakkm uninstall stuff, like the help files
Apr 28 23:17:38 <penguinbait> boot from SD/mmc. its faster anyway
Apr 28 23:17:38 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 23:17:40 <zakkm> how?
Apr 28 23:17:48 <zakkm> boot from 64mb?
Apr 28 23:17:52 <KotCzarny> he has 64mb mmc card
Apr 28 23:17:54 <zakkm> i have a nokia 770.. can i do SD?
Apr 28 23:18:00 <KotCzarny> not going to fit
Apr 28 23:18:02 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:18:06 <zakkm> minisd/micro?
Apr 28 23:18:06 <penguinbait> buy a 2gb its like 15$
Apr 28 23:18:11 <zakkm> link me
Apr 28 23:18:11 <KotCzarny> you should have at least 256mb
Apr 28 23:18:17 <KotCzarny> pb: rs-mmc ?
Apr 28 23:18:17 <zakkm> penguin link me
Apr 28 23:18:23 <KotCzarny> it's 770
Apr 28 23:18:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:18:35 <zakkm> i was going to buy off ebay but i dont know .. risky posts?
Apr 28 23:18:36 <|thunde1> 8gb at best buy this week for 50$
Apr 28 23:18:40 <penguinbait> I have 2GB mmc mobile kingston, bought it for 770, use it in 800
Apr 28 23:18:59 <zakkm> jthunde1: rs-mmc?
Apr 28 23:19:20 <penguinbait> I have 8GB kingston, but now I need 8GB micro/miniSD
Apr 28 23:19:25 <zakkm> how much would ANYTHING thats compatible on the 770 .. be for like 1gb/2gb?
Apr 28 23:19:32 <penguinbait> 15$
Apr 28 23:19:39 <zakkm> where how? whats it called?
Apr 28 23:19:42 <zakkm> cheapest
Apr 28 23:20:18 <zakkm> there weo go :D its making a 32mb swap lol
Apr 28 23:20:37 <KotCzarny> bargainslane.com/shop/index.php?p=MMCM/2GB
Apr 28 23:20:51 <KotCzarny> 17$
Apr 28 23:21:11 <zakkm> i dont trust the site :P
Apr 28 23:21:20 <zakkm> or should i?
Apr 28 23:21:21 <KotCzarny> google says it's 4.5/5
Apr 28 23:21:25 <penguinbait> newegg has 1gb trancend 8.69
Apr 28 23:21:29 <zakkm> :O
Apr 28 23:21:31 <KotCzarny> 10 ratings
Apr 28 23:21:33 <zakkm> trancend will work?
Apr 28 23:21:45 <zakkm> im in Toronto, Canada by the way. ..
Apr 28 23:21:46 <penguinbait> its says mmc mobile
Apr 28 23:21:58 <penguinbait> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208055
Apr 28 23:22:05 <KotCzarny> toronto seems like a big city
Apr 28 23:22:06 <zakkm> i have two tigerdirect's within 30min from my house?
Apr 28 23:22:10 <KotCzarny> no big stores there?
Apr 28 23:22:11 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 28 23:22:12 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:22:15 <zakkm> cant find rs-mmc's
Apr 28 23:22:19 <zakkm> well havent really looked lol
Apr 28 23:22:25 <zakkm> it is a big city
Apr 28 23:22:28 <zakkm> 1/7 of canada lives in Toronto
Apr 28 23:22:31 <KotCzarny> no online shops for those stores?
Apr 28 23:22:45 <zakkm> well yeah but online doesnt show enough/ i dont know sites
Apr 28 23:22:46 <|thunde1> zakkm: sd, class 4
Apr 28 23:22:57 <lardman_> night all
Apr 28 23:23:13 <zakkm> mmc mobile = rs-mmc?
Apr 28 23:23:21 <AStorm> maybe
Apr 28 23:23:25 <penguinbait> mine is
Apr 28 23:23:35 <penguinbait> kingston 2gb mmc mobile
Apr 28 23:23:41 <penguinbait> used it in 770
Apr 28 23:23:46 <penguinbait> when I had one
Apr 28 23:23:48 <KotCzarny> anyway 10$ isn't that much
Apr 28 23:23:53 <KotCzarny> even if it fails to work
Apr 28 23:23:57 <zakkm> im in canada though
Apr 28 23:24:00 <zakkm> newegg ships?
Apr 28 23:24:07 <penguinbait> I think newegg ships to CA
Apr 28 23:24:21 <zakkm> would it cost alot?
Apr 28 23:24:23 <KotCzarny> isn't CA an acronym for california?
Apr 28 23:24:24 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 28 23:24:37 <KotCzarny> now, .ca is actually more like canada :)
Apr 28 23:25:13 <zakkm> there we go
Apr 28 23:25:29 <penguinbait> CA is for canada, but I am from Michigan
Apr 28 23:25:30 <zakkm> total - 94980  used 65024 free 29956
Apr 28 23:26:54 <KotCzarny> stop metalayer-crawl
Apr 28 23:27:00 <KotCzarny> it eats ~10-30mb
Apr 28 23:27:13 <KotCzarny> and cpu too
Apr 28 23:27:16 <KotCzarny> sometimes
Apr 28 23:27:31 <zakkm> wow
Apr 28 23:27:34 <KotCzarny> you will loose medialibraries
Apr 28 23:27:38 <zakkm> how can i .. without wifi ?
Apr 28 23:27:44 <zakkm> which does?
Apr 28 23:27:48 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 28 23:27:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:28:00 <KotCzarny> why no wifi?
Apr 28 23:28:01 <zakkm> yeah my nokia is better with swap lol
Apr 28 23:28:05 <zakkm> no wifi in my house?
Apr 28 23:28:09 <KotCzarny> O.o
Apr 28 23:28:09 <zakkm> and neighbors are locked wifi
Apr 28 23:28:14 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:28:16 <Atarii> just download via pc then transfer over cable?
Apr 28 23:28:21 <KotCzarny> get a wifi router for 10-20$
Apr 28 23:28:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:28:23 <zakkm> can you help me find
Apr 28 23:28:25 <KotCzarny> any should do
Apr 28 23:28:25 <zakkm> i got a wifi router
Apr 28 23:28:26 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:28:28 <zakkm> just not plugged in
Apr 28 23:28:34 <zakkm> dont trust it .. and i only recently got my nokia
Apr 28 23:29:17 <KotCzarny> you can screw off the antenna
Apr 28 23:29:22 <KotCzarny> and lower wifi tx power
Apr 28 23:29:30 <KotCzarny> that should minimize risk
Apr 28 23:29:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:29:49 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:29:52 <zakkm> ohhh
Apr 28 23:29:53 <zakkm> yeah
Apr 28 23:29:58 <zakkm> should i set my nokia wifi to 100mw or 10?
Apr 28 23:30:04 <zakkm> and what does it change?
Apr 28 23:30:09 <NullM0dem> zakkm: there is a ontario CA if that is what your reffering too in terms of newegg
Apr 28 23:30:17 <KotCzarny> 10mw is official limit in some countries
Apr 28 23:30:22 <zakkm> sick
Apr 28 23:30:23 <NullM0dem> ca = california, i was confused as well
Apr 28 23:30:29 <zakkm> ontario though..
Apr 28 23:30:34 <zakkm> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Apr 28 23:30:44 <KotCzarny> use .ca
Apr 28 23:30:45 <NullM0dem> there is an ontario, california
Apr 28 23:30:50 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 23:30:50 <KotCzarny> more understandable than CA
Apr 28 23:31:00 <KotCzarny> most people are used to domains
Apr 28 23:31:13 <KotCzarny> (outside us of course)
Apr 28 23:31:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:31:14 <zakkm> newegg.ca coming soon
Apr 28 23:31:15 <zakkm> lol
Apr 28 23:31:17 <NullM0dem> my n810 look slikes its been sitting at the warehouse for 4 days when i look at my tracking info
Apr 28 23:31:23 <AStorm> in all of US, you can use 100mW ;P
Apr 28 23:31:36 <zakkm> whats the difference between 10 and 100 mw?
Apr 28 23:31:39 <AStorm> power
Apr 28 23:31:39 <zakkm> which should i use?
Apr 28 23:31:42 <AStorm> which means, range
Apr 28 23:31:45 <penguinbait> 90 mw
Apr 28 23:31:46 <zakkm> oh
Apr 28 23:31:47 <KotCzarny> try 10 first
Apr 28 23:31:49 <KotCzarny> if it works
Apr 28 23:31:52 <AStorm> you won't save any with 10mW
Apr 28 23:31:55 <KotCzarny> then you can leave it at that
Apr 28 23:31:58 <AStorm> checked with rundown
Apr 28 23:32:01 <AStorm> so there's no point
Apr 28 23:32:02 <zakkm> does 100 use way more power?
Apr 28 23:32:04 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 23:32:08 <unixSnob> I believe I've seen 500 mW amps in the US
Apr 28 23:32:08 <KotCzarny> but you won't reach that many wifi spots
Apr 28 23:32:28 <penguinbait> I have a 2watt 802.11b amp
Apr 28 23:32:30 <AStorm> unixSnob: possible, with low grade antenna
Apr 28 23:32:31 <penguinbait> hehehe
Apr 28 23:32:40 <AStorm> penguinbait: illegal
Apr 28 23:32:41 <zakkm> wait
Apr 28 23:32:45 <zakkm> so 100 = 10x the range?
Apr 28 23:32:46 <penguinbait> ???
Apr 28 23:32:48 <zakkm> more or less
Apr 28 23:32:50 <penguinbait> dont know
Apr 28 23:32:51 <NullM0dem> sick
Apr 28 23:32:52 <unixSnob> The FCC places no limits on homebrew antennas though
Apr 28 23:32:55 <AStorm> zakkm: no, but quite better
Apr 28 23:32:57 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 28 23:33:02 <zakkm> thats all it does?
Apr 28 23:33:04 <KotCzarny> range is planar
Apr 28 23:33:05 <zakkm> is increase signal?
Apr 28 23:33:09 <AStorm> yes, it can reach through walls then
Apr 28 23:33:13 <KotCzarny> so it's more like 1/r^2
Apr 28 23:33:14 <AStorm> KotCzarny: you're SO wrong
Apr 28 23:33:17 <AStorm> exactly
Apr 28 23:33:24 <zakkm> does it use more power though?
Apr 28 23:33:26 <unixSnob> It's much better to get a dish from freecycle, and mod it for wifi
Apr 28 23:33:27 <AStorm> but with more power, interference means less
Apr 28 23:33:31 <AStorm> zakkm: not measurably more
Apr 28 23:33:37 <zakkm> k
Apr 28 23:33:40 <zakkm> going to change to 100
Apr 28 23:33:44 <zakkm> see if i can get neighbors wifi :P
Apr 28 23:33:45 <AStorm> unixSnob: and depending on power, illegal
Apr 28 23:34:03 <AStorm> you can't use high sensitivity antennas with high power wifi
Apr 28 23:34:12 <unixSnob> AStorm, no, FCC has a specific allowance for homebrew antennas, I've read it
Apr 28 23:34:16 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 23:34:30 <unixSnob> Commercially, there are limits on antennas, but there is a hobbyist provision
Apr 28 23:34:30 <AStorm> but you mustn't cause interference anyway
Apr 28 23:34:48 <AStorm> if you do, you'll head will be spiked etc.
Apr 28 23:34:49 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 23:34:54 <KotCzarny> unixsnob: doesn't it change depending on freq range ?
Apr 28 23:34:59 <KotCzarny> ie. limits
Apr 28 23:35:02 <penguinbait> much nicer out west where there is no trees
Apr 28 23:35:08 <unixSnob> Hobbyists are not limited by gain factors.
Apr 28 23:35:21 <unixSnob> Well, I'm talking wifi.. 802.11b
Apr 28 23:35:32 <AStorm> unixSnob: yes they are
Apr 28 23:35:40 <AStorm> read FCC rules, again
Apr 28 23:35:47 <AStorm> you may not cause interference
Apr 28 23:35:55 <penguinbait> is Astorm a HAM?
Apr 28 23:36:00 <unixSnob> And the rationale given by the FCC is that hobbyists are not equipped to measure gain, so they don't have to
Apr 28 23:36:04 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 23:36:06 <AStorm> they're not
Apr 28 23:36:12 <unixSnob> I know what I read, the english was very plain and clear
Apr 28 23:36:14 <penguinbait> who else reads FCC material :)
Apr 28 23:36:18 <AStorm> but if you send high power, you need a low sensitivity antenna
Apr 28 23:36:24 <AStorm> or else you'll cause interference
Apr 28 23:36:42 <AStorm> which means $$$
Apr 28 23:36:50 <zakmm> thats odd -.-
Apr 28 23:36:58 <zakmm> [09:47] * [10053] Software caused connection abort
Apr 28 23:37:07 <zakmm> mIRC .. windows
Apr 28 23:37:08 <KotCzarny> windows
Apr 28 23:37:10 <KotCzarny> pft
Apr 28 23:37:21 <zakmm> lol
Apr 28 23:37:29 <zakmm> ive been using linux so long i wanted to use windows lol
Apr 28 23:37:36 <shapr> I tried that.
Apr 28 23:37:37 <AStorm> bad idea
Apr 28 23:37:43 <zakmm> linux wont like my nokia
Apr 28 23:37:44 <penguinbait> you can run mirc on linux
Apr 28 23:37:46 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 28 23:37:48 <shapr> I tried windows after nine years of linux.
Apr 28 23:37:51 <zakmm> it wouldnt accept my flashdrive
Apr 28 23:37:56 <zakmm> no way
Apr 28 23:37:59 <shapr> Windows is missing a lot of features.
Apr 28 23:38:03 <zakmm> i run irssi on linux -.-
Apr 28 23:38:14 <zakmm> no way default windows might i add...
Apr 28 23:38:17 <NullM0dem> shapr same here, my first win was 98 and i wiped it within 3 monthes
Apr 28 23:38:22 <AStorm> zakkm: what?
Apr 28 23:38:30 <AStorm> Nokia *is* running Linux
Apr 28 23:38:34 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 28 23:38:35 <shapr> I used win95 up until 1999 or so.
Apr 28 23:38:38 <zakmm> yeah and i had irssi?
Apr 28 23:38:39 <zakmm> lol
Apr 28 23:38:43 <shapr> Then I used Linux up until 2008
Apr 28 23:38:43 <AStorm> yes, it has
Apr 28 23:38:53 <zakmm> yeah i couldnt get it running on 2006 tho
Apr 28 23:38:55 <zakmm> so i ran xchat
Apr 28 23:38:55 <KotCzarny> astorm: that's internal info leakage?
Apr 28 23:38:56 <AStorm> but w/o n810 it's fairly pointless
Apr 28 23:38:58 <AStorm> yes
Apr 28 23:39:02 <zakmm> no
Apr 28 23:39:02 <AStorm> KotCzarny: what internal info?
Apr 28 23:39:04 <zakmm> i can read :P
Apr 28 23:39:08 <zakmm> dont need to type much
Apr 28 23:39:14 <KotCzarny> astorm: that nokia runs linux :>
Apr 28 23:39:15 <unixSnob> i'm able to reach the other side of a lake using a directtv dish, and a cantenna, all homebrew stuff
Apr 28 23:39:25 <AStorm> KotCzarny: you mean? Maemo is Linux ;P
Apr 28 23:39:34 <NullM0dem> shapr: I started on C-64 / amiga and then in 92 lost my comps and didnt get another one till 98
Apr 28 23:39:37 <KotCzarny> you have said 'nokia' i saw it :P
Apr 28 23:39:51 <AStorm> hehe, iNdT does use Linux
Apr 28 23:39:52 <NullM0dem> shapr: windows was such a let down
Apr 28 23:39:53 <AStorm> so does OSSO
Apr 28 23:40:11 <zakmm> omg
Apr 28 23:40:15 <zakmm> i been in a wifi for 30min
Apr 28 23:40:18 <zakmm> didnt know i was connected
Apr 28 23:40:22 <KotCzarny> hehe
Apr 28 23:40:32 <zakmm> web probably wont load though
Apr 28 23:40:37 <zakmm> yeah
Apr 28 23:40:39 <zakmm> connecting....
Apr 28 23:40:51 <zakmm> how do you do that renew liscense in linux?
Apr 28 23:40:54 <KotCzarny> try connecting by ip?
Apr 28 23:41:04 <AStorm> zakkm: by reconnecting, usually
Apr 28 23:41:11 <zakmm> i tried that alotin school
Apr 28 23:41:13 <AStorm> or you can set static ip just fine
Apr 28 23:41:13 <NullM0dem> you mean dhcp lease?
Apr 28 23:41:16 <zakmm> im looking at connection manager
Apr 28 23:41:23 <zakmm> yeah
Apr 28 23:41:30 <AStorm> to get the ip, you can use ifconfig
Apr 28 23:41:32 <zakmm> give me stuff to try lol
Apr 28 23:41:34 <zakmm> k
Apr 28 23:41:38 <zakmm> ifconfig ____
Apr 28 23:41:55 <NullM0dem> im not sure what the nokia uses but usually i do dhclient eth0 as root
Apr 28 23:41:56 <AStorm> just ifconfig, it will show active interfaces
Apr 28 23:42:03 <NullM0dem> on mainstream linux
Apr 28 23:42:08 <zakmm> eth0 is for my main pc?
Apr 28 23:42:08 <AStorm> NullM0dem: they use udhcpcd
Apr 28 23:42:15 <KotCzarny> ifconfig -a
Apr 28 23:42:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:42:19 <NullM0dem> thats a daemon right?
Apr 28 23:42:29 <AStorm> yes and no, depends on the way it's called
Apr 28 23:42:30 <zakmm> ifconfig not found
Apr 28 23:42:31 <AStorm> usually it is
Apr 28 23:42:35 <NullM0dem> slack uses that as well
Apr 28 23:42:39 <zakmm> cause im not root?
Apr 28 23:42:39 <KotCzarny>  /sbin/ifconfig
Apr 28 23:43:03 <KotCzarny> yes, missing path
Apr 28 23:43:14 <zakmm> oh there
Apr 28 23:43:36 <zakmm> wlan0
Apr 28 23:43:37 <zakmm> -.-
Apr 28 23:43:45 <AStorm> doh
Apr 28 23:43:46 <zakmm> inet addr:192.168.10.101
Apr 28 23:43:50 <AStorm> or bt0
Apr 28 23:43:53 <AStorm> or usb0
Apr 28 23:44:06 <zakmm> ok now what
Apr 28 23:44:11 <zakmm> ifconfig wlan0 ___
Apr 28 23:44:25 <KotCzarny> try ping 212.77.100.101
Apr 28 23:44:39 <zakmm> trying..
Apr 28 23:44:58 <AStorm> or ping 80.53.32.122
Apr 28 23:45:01 <penguinbait> any takers on my boot from SD deb?? I need more testers
Apr 28 23:45:09 <AStorm> KotCzarny: how many IPs have you memorized?
Apr 28 23:45:16 <KotCzarny> astorm: 1
Apr 28 23:45:19 <KotCzarny> astorm: it's wp.pl
Apr 28 23:45:20 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:45:23 <AStorm> hehehe
Apr 28 23:45:25 <zakmm> ping ___ : 56 data bytes ping:permission denied. (are you root?)
Apr 28 23:45:26 <zakmm> lol
Apr 28 23:45:29 <AStorm> and mine is my server
Apr 28 23:45:29 <KotCzarny> i have just resolved it
Apr 28 23:45:32 <AStorm> zakkm: root!
Apr 28 23:45:42 <zakmm> send me debbbb
Apr 28 23:45:43 <zakmm> :P
Apr 28 23:45:44 <zakmm> or link me
Apr 28 23:45:45 <AStorm> KotCzarny: you cheat ;P
Apr 28 23:45:51 <KotCzarny> astorm: but i remember my shools ip
Apr 28 23:45:52 <AStorm> zakkm: .... you need root
Apr 28 23:45:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:45:58 <zakmm> i realize that
Apr 28 23:45:58 <AStorm> or at least chmod +s
Apr 28 23:45:59 <zakmm> :P
Apr 28 23:46:09 <zakmm> id rather become root ;p
Apr 28 23:46:15 <zakmm> or wait
Apr 28 23:46:21 <zakmm> i need root for that dont i? chmod +s
Apr 28 23:46:28 <KotCzarny> zakmm: you can transfer .debs with mmc card
Apr 28 23:46:29 <KotCzarny> or usb
Apr 28 23:46:37 <zakmm> why not?
Apr 28 23:46:39 <AStorm> zakkm: yes, but only once
Apr 28 23:46:40 <zakmm> i do it al lthe time
Apr 28 23:46:41 <KotCzarny> but i don't know if app-man can install them?
Apr 28 23:46:48 <AStorm> it will set the executable SUID root
Apr 28 23:46:50 <zakmm> how can i use app-man without internet ! :P
Apr 28 23:47:00 <KotCzarny> anyone?
Apr 28 23:47:06 <zakmm> i always download on pc. . the deb.. send to memory card and run in filemanager?
Apr 28 23:47:16 <penguinbait> you can install from file
Apr 28 23:47:18 <penguinbait> in app man
Apr 28 23:47:23 <penguinbait> goto menu
Apr 28 23:47:23 <KotCzarny> ok
Apr 28 23:47:35 <zakmm> can i have the deb link please? :D
Apr 28 23:47:41 <AStorm> link to what?
Apr 28 23:47:48 <KotCzarny> to any deb?
Apr 28 23:47:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 23:47:49 <zakmm> root deb?
Apr 28 23:47:53 <zakmm> the deb to be root?
Apr 28 23:47:53 <AStorm> wtf?
Apr 28 23:47:55 <AStorm> ...
Apr 28 23:48:01 <zakmm> gainroot or something?
Apr 28 23:48:03 <penguinbait> becomeroot
Apr 28 23:48:05 <AStorm> nitapps.org, go there
Apr 28 23:48:08 <zakmm> ok onesec
Apr 28 23:48:11 <zakmm> never been there?
Apr 28 23:48:11 <AStorm> or was it .com
Apr 28 23:48:26 <zakmm> .com***
Apr 28 23:48:38 <penguinbait> http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb
Apr 28 23:48:42 <penguinbait> there
Apr 28 23:48:50 <AStorm> bora?
Apr 28 23:48:56 <AStorm> is that for OS2008HE?
Apr 28 23:48:57 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 28 23:49:00 <penguinbait> it dont matter
Apr 28 23:49:04 <penguinbait> its becomeroot
Apr 28 23:49:07 <AStorm> no, it does
Apr 28 23:49:09 <zakmm> easyroot
Apr 28 23:49:10 <zakmm> This is a simple utility for gaining root access. 'sudo gainroot' works as befor
Apr 28 23:49:10 <zakmm> ?
Apr 28 23:49:17 <AStorm> zakkm: yes, easyroot is better
Apr 28 23:49:50 <zakmm> works on 2008HE?
Apr 28 23:50:00 <penguinbait> echo "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers
Apr 28 23:50:08 <AStorm> penguinbait: evil
Apr 28 23:50:09 <AStorm> ;)
Apr 28 23:50:22 <AStorm> but then, all method of root w/o pass are evil
Apr 28 23:50:37 <penguinbait> not like this thing is secure anyway
Apr 28 23:50:47 <AStorm> it is fairly secure
Apr 28 23:50:49 <AStorm> :>
Apr 28 23:50:51 <Mousey> yikes
Apr 28 23:50:52 <penguinbait> hehehehahhahaha
Apr 28 23:50:53 <AStorm> at least, can be
Apr 28 23:50:54 <KotCzarny> as long you don't give it to anyone
Apr 28 23:50:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:50:58 <penguinbait> no its not
Apr 28 23:51:00 <AStorm> yep
Apr 28 23:51:02 <Mousey> as if the n810 isn't a BIG enough security hole
Apr 28 23:51:02 <AStorm> it is
Apr 28 23:51:09 <zakmm> if someone wanted to stop it.. they would put it in their pocket :D
Apr 28 23:51:21 <KotCzarny> .21-omap is vulnerable to ptrace hack?
Apr 28 23:51:21 <Mousey> posession is 9/10ths of the hack
Apr 28 23:51:28 <AStorm> KotCzarny: not sure
Apr 28 23:51:34 <AStorm> possibly
Apr 28 23:51:38 <AStorm> ah, no, not
Apr 28 23:51:39 <KotCzarny> can be easy way for root app
Apr 28 23:51:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:51:44 <zakmm> about to install easyroot
Apr 28 23:51:50 <AStorm> .21 arm doesn't have vmsplice
Apr 28 23:51:50 <penguinbait> run my deb and tell me how secure it is ;)
Apr 28 23:51:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:52:01 <AStorm> so, you won't be able to use vmsplice sploit
Apr 28 23:52:09 <zakmm> just curious.. how long you all been around this irc channel/into the whole nokia tablet stuff?
Apr 28 23:52:12 <AStorm> the default one wouldn't work anyway
Apr 28 23:52:23 <AStorm> zakkm: less than a month here
Apr 28 23:52:26 <zakmm> penguinbait: easyroot is yours?
Apr 28 23:52:36 <penguinbait> I bought a 770 on jan 2005
Apr 28 23:52:40 <AStorm> zakkm: no, not
Apr 28 23:52:40 <penguinbait> no zakmm
Apr 28 23:52:46 <zakmm> wow
Apr 28 23:52:50 * KotCzarny bought n800 in march 2008
Apr 28 23:52:53 <zakmm> jan 2005.. i wanted to buy it when it first came out
Apr 28 23:52:55 <zakmm> didnt have the money
Apr 28 23:53:04 <zakmm> forgot about it till last week .. went on ebay and bought it.. came three days later :P
Apr 28 23:53:08 <penguinbait> I wanted zaurus forever
Apr 28 23:53:11 <zakmm> last yesterday?
Apr 28 23:53:19 <penguinbait> I jumped as soon as I saw the 770
Apr 28 23:53:26 <zakmm> easyroot installing
Apr 28 23:53:34 <zakmm> successfully installed
Apr 28 23:53:37 <penguinbait> last yesterday, is that two days ago?
Apr 28 23:53:43 <zakmm> last tuesday*
Apr 28 23:53:44 <zakmm> lol
Apr 28 23:53:45 <zakmm> sorry
Apr 28 23:53:56 <AStorm> last tomorrow? ;)
Apr 28 23:54:01 <KotCzarny> bond?
Apr 28 23:54:02 <Grackle> penguinbait: Yeah, I wanted to buy a zaurus for a long time, but never did. Recently found out about the IT and bought one.
Apr 28 23:54:02 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 23:54:03 <AStorm> ah, it's today now
Apr 28 23:54:19 <zakmm> nokia like froze :P
Apr 28 23:54:22 <penguinbait> its today again
Apr 28 23:54:37 <zakmm> ok
Apr 28 23:54:38 <zakmm> im now root
Apr 28 23:54:45 <zakmm> well in a sec
Apr 28 23:54:47 <KotCzarny> bs, it's today's today
Apr 28 23:54:50 <AStorm> zakmm: oh,  no, you'll destroy it now!
Apr 28 23:54:53 <AStorm> ;)
Apr 28 23:54:54 <KotCzarny> not a yesterdays' today
Apr 28 23:54:59 <zakmm> ok im root
Apr 28 23:55:06 <zakmm> how do i uhmm .. do the metalayer-crawler
Apr 28 23:55:07 <KotCzarny> now play
Apr 28 23:55:09 <zakmm> i should do that first :P
Apr 28 23:55:09 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 28 23:55:23 <AStorm> update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove
Apr 28 23:55:25 <KotCzarny>  /etc/rc2.d/*metalayer* stop
Apr 28 23:55:26 <AStorm> that's all
Apr 28 23:55:30 <AStorm> maybe stop it first
Apr 28 23:55:33 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 28 23:55:37 <AStorm> e.g. update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop
Apr 28 23:55:39 <AStorm> then remove
Apr 28 23:56:05 <penguinbait> gd metalayer, fricken get rid of the danm thing
Apr 28 23:56:19 <AStorm> I've uninstalled that junk
Apr 28 23:56:19 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 28 23:56:22 <penguinbait> nothing but problems
Apr 28 23:56:28 <AStorm> now that I have Vorbis working in canola
Apr 28 23:57:01 <zakmm> its doing the stopping
Apr 28 23:57:02 <zakmm> ?
Apr 28 23:57:07 <zakmm> stopped
Apr 28 23:57:22 <zakmm> what should i do for remove?
Apr 28 23:57:22 <AStorm> remove disables it for good
Apr 28 23:57:31 <AStorm> zakmm: you can't read, can you? ;P
Apr 28 23:57:39 <zakmm>  update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 stop ?
Apr 28 23:57:42 <AStorm> no
Apr 28 23:57:45 <AStorm> that stops it
Apr 28 23:57:52 <AStorm> s/stop/remove/ and it's good
Apr 28 23:57:55 <zakmm> update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove ?
Apr 28 23:58:05 <AStorm> yup
Apr 28 23:59:19 <zakmm> -.-
Apr 28 23:59:20 <zakmm> use -f to force
Apr 28 23:59:28 <AStorm> so use it
Apr 28 23:59:32 <Mousey> use the -f, luke
Apr 28 23:59:44 <zakmm> i gotta retype it now -.-
Apr 28 23:59:58 <AStorm> use the dpad
Apr 29 00:00:11 <AStorm> up arrow
Apr 29 00:00:14 <zakmm> i use thumb thingy ?
Apr 29 00:00:24 <KotCzarny> that's dpad
Apr 29 00:00:27 <zakmm> oh right
Apr 29 00:00:32 <KotCzarny> on the left
Apr 29 00:00:34 <KotCzarny> right?
Apr 29 00:00:34 <zakmm> lol i was looking for that on screen :P
Apr 29 00:00:44 <zakmm> thanks
Apr 29 00:00:45 <zakmm> yeah
Apr 29 00:01:19 <zakmm> not working
Apr 29 00:01:42 <zakmm> update-rc.d metalayer-crawler0 remove -f
Apr 29 00:01:54 <zakmm> exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)
Apr 29 00:02:01 <AStorm> add -f after update-rc.d
Apr 29 00:02:05 <AStorm> not at the end
Apr 29 00:02:49 <zakmm> ah there we go
Apr 29 00:02:50 <zakmm> done
Apr 29 00:02:56 <zakmm> ok now .. internet please :D lol
Apr 29 00:03:01 <KotCzarny> poor metalayer..
Apr 29 00:03:04 <KotCzarny> nobody loves it
Apr 29 00:03:10 <AStorm> it's meant to die
Apr 29 00:03:14 <KotCzarny> -crawl
Apr 29 00:03:21 <zakmm> why dont the dev's delete it
Apr 29 00:03:23 <zakmm> or fix it?
Apr 29 00:03:38 <AStorm> it is fairly efficient
Apr 29 00:03:42 <zakmm> can i delete map ? (app )
Apr 29 00:03:44 <AStorm> but should check system load
Apr 29 00:03:47 <zakmm> ill neve ruse it
Apr 29 00:03:53 <AStorm> zakmm: yes, use the application manager
Apr 29 00:04:02 <zakmm> i need the 8.1mb lol
Apr 29 00:04:10 <zakmm> 64mb rs-mmc + whatever is already in it
Apr 29 00:04:18 <zakmm> and OS2008 takes alottt + swap
Apr 29 00:04:35 <zakmm> how do i remove help files?
Apr 29 00:05:06 <AStorm> just the same, but you need "red pill mode"
Apr 29 00:05:14 <AStorm> google for the info
Apr 29 00:05:17 <zakmm> ah nevermind then
Apr 29 00:05:23 <zakmm> ok the ifconfig wlan0 ?
Apr 29 00:05:28 <zakmm> what was after wlan0?
Apr 29 00:05:57 <KotCzarny> try ping first
Apr 29 00:06:12 <NullM0dem> I always thought swapping to SD cards to be bad, do the newer cards hold up better in terms of the number of write's and deletes ?
Apr 29 00:06:36 <Grackle> yes
Apr 29 00:07:03 <Grackle> They are smarter about handling errors, too.
Apr 29 00:07:08 <zakmm> just one ping line.. which i got withut root
Apr 29 00:07:11 <zakmm> and then it like freezes
Apr 29 00:07:14 <zakmm> like loading..
Apr 29 00:07:15 <NullM0dem> thnkas
Apr 29 00:07:51 <AStorm> zakmm, so pings don't reach anyone
Apr 29 00:07:55 <Grackle> Does anyone know how to change the foreground color in osso-xterm?
Apr 29 00:07:58 <AStorm> check netstat -r
Apr 29 00:08:06 <AStorm> if there is a default route
Apr 29 00:08:17 <AStorm> Grackle: I guess standard ~/.Xresources might work
Apr 29 00:08:18 <KotCzarny> grackle: it's in the prefs
Apr 29 00:08:29 <AStorm> yup, it is
Apr 29 00:09:00 <Grackle> Oh, that it is. I didn't think it would be in the font settings dialog, so I never clicked there. Huh.
Apr 29 00:09:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:09:13 <zakmm> wlan 192.168.10.1 gateway  ... genmask 0.0.0.0 flags UG ?
Apr 29 00:09:31 <NullM0dem> do the menus work in Xterm?
Apr 29 00:09:39 <zakmm> me?
Apr 29 00:09:42 <zakmm> o n/m
Apr 29 00:09:50 <KotCzarny> my head hurts, ugh, bbl
Apr 29 00:09:52 <NullM0dem> sorry im all over
Apr 29 00:12:39 <zakmm> what was that site with the repos?
Apr 29 00:12:55 <AStorm> zakmm: read the topic, d'oh
Apr 29 00:13:01 <AStorm> e.g. /topi
Apr 29 00:13:05 <AStorm>  /topic
Apr 29 00:13:05 <AStorm> :>
Apr 29 00:14:56 <zakmm> ahhh thx
Apr 29 00:15:54 <zakmm> gonna add as a bookmark
Apr 29 00:15:58 <zakmm> so when im in school tomorrow
Apr 29 00:16:00 <zakmm> i can add the repos
Apr 29 00:16:05 <AStorm> :>
Apr 29 00:16:09 <zakmm> would it be dumb to add all repos? all 49 ?
Apr 29 00:16:18 <AStorm> bad idea
Apr 29 00:16:21 <zakmm> k
Apr 29 00:16:28 <AStorm> add maemo-extras, and maybe maemo-extras-devel
Apr 29 00:16:41 <AStorm> maybe that one with ogg-support, by Thomas Kulve
Apr 29 00:16:43 <zakmm> school has fast internet so i dont mind download time geting from all repos
Apr 29 00:16:47 <zakmm> but yeah
Apr 29 00:16:54 <AStorm> others only if strictly needed
Apr 29 00:16:59 <zakmm> school has 44mbit down
Apr 29 00:17:01 <KotCzarny> heh..
Apr 29 00:17:01 <AStorm> some have unstable software
Apr 29 00:17:08 <zakmm> ah
Apr 29 00:17:10 <KotCzarny> how much space you have on your 770?
Apr 29 00:17:11 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 29 00:17:15 <AStorm> even maemo-extras-devel is stretching it
Apr 29 00:17:28 <zakmm> how come i cant add bookmarks?
Apr 29 00:17:36 <AStorm> huh?
Apr 29 00:17:37 <zakmm> theres no add button?
Apr 29 00:17:40 <zakmm> in "my bookmarks"
Apr 29 00:17:46 <AStorm> there is in the browser
Apr 29 00:17:50 <zakmm> ohh n/m
Apr 29 00:17:55 <zakmm> the file menu
Apr 29 00:17:59 <AStorm> too
Apr 29 00:18:00 <zakmm> i cant in browser.. no net right now
Apr 29 00:18:04 <AStorm> ...
Apr 29 00:18:06 <AStorm> no, you can
Apr 29 00:18:10 <AStorm> even w/o net
Apr 29 00:19:32 <zakmm> so i add maemo extras?
Apr 29 00:19:43 <AStorm> yes, that should be added already I think
Apr 29 00:19:51 <zakmm> Kotcrzarny: not sure .. probably only like 15mb
Apr 29 00:19:51 <AStorm> but some repos which are added, are broken
Apr 29 00:19:58 <zakmm> i just flashed?
Apr 29 00:19:59 <zakmm> to 2008HE
Apr 29 00:20:05 <KotCzarny> it was rethoric question
Apr 29 00:20:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:20:17 <AStorm> that is the distro/version entry isn't valid
Apr 29 00:20:24 <zakmm> Browser addons and extensions for the microB web browser.
Apr 29 00:20:29 <zakmm> is microb the default browser?
Apr 29 00:20:32 <zakmm> i thought it was opera?
Apr 29 00:20:43 <AStorm> not in OS 2008
Apr 29 00:20:46 <KotCzarny> not anymore in os2008
Apr 29 00:20:48 <zakmm> ah
Apr 29 00:20:52 <AStorm> microb is better
Apr 29 00:21:00 <zakmm> i heard there was a adblock app? to make net faster?
Apr 29 00:21:08 <AStorm> no, it slows things down
Apr 29 00:21:14 <AStorm> esp. browser startup
Apr 29 00:21:18 <KotCzarny> junkbuster ? ;)
Apr 29 00:21:24 <zakmm> hah
Apr 29 00:21:28 <AStorm> junkbuster breaks pages ;P
Apr 29 00:21:29 <zakmm> minefield firefox on the n800 :P
Apr 29 00:21:30 <zakmm> repo
Apr 29 00:21:33 <AStorm> privoxy too, but less
Apr 29 00:21:38 <zakmm> it was called "adblock" i heard
Apr 29 00:21:46 <zakmm> i saw it on my 2006 in application manager i think
Apr 29 00:21:46 <AStorm> adblock is a plugin
Apr 29 00:21:52 <KotCzarny> astorm: that's why i use junkbuster instead of privoxy
Apr 29 00:21:53 <AStorm> but it's SLOW
Apr 29 00:21:54 <AStorm> don't use it
Apr 29 00:21:58 <zakmm> RTComm Beta ?
Apr 29 00:22:00 <zakmm> what is that
Apr 29 00:22:02 <AStorm> KotCzarny: junkbuster breaks pages
Apr 29 00:22:09 <AStorm> zakmm: the chat application, beta version
Apr 29 00:22:10 <KotCzarny> astorm: which ones?
Apr 29 00:22:14 <zakmm> is it good?
Apr 29 00:22:17 <AStorm> with improved support for voice comm
Apr 29 00:22:23 <zakmm> would it be bad for me?
Apr 29 00:22:27 <AStorm> and more IM protocols
Apr 29 00:22:29 <AStorm> well, it's stable
Apr 29 00:22:31 <zakmm> considering im nokia 770 and all
Apr 29 00:22:47 <AStorm> who knows, should work well
Apr 29 00:23:17 <zakmm> ah ill just wait lol
Apr 29 00:23:21 <zakmm> im trying to do so much so fast
Apr 29 00:24:10 <zakmm> device has 36mb avaliable
Apr 29 00:24:48 <AStorm> not too much
Apr 29 00:24:49 <zakmm> hey
Apr 29 00:24:53 <zakmm> on the internet call i can add SIP
Apr 29 00:24:54 <AStorm> but an SD card and move the system there
Apr 29 00:24:59 <AStorm> zakmm: exactly
Apr 29 00:24:59 <zakmm> cant i add my voipbuster account or something?
Apr 29 00:25:01 <zakmm> and call people?
Apr 29 00:25:03 <AStorm> ...
Apr 29 00:25:03 <KotCzarny> astorm: it's 770
Apr 29 00:25:05 <KotCzarny> no sd
Apr 29 00:25:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:25:11 <AStorm> yes, you can, but performance won't be high
Apr 29 00:25:17 <AStorm> KotCzarny: RS-MMC, who cares
Apr 29 00:25:18 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 29 00:25:20 <KotCzarny> isn't sd incompatible with mmc?
Apr 29 00:25:20 <zakmm> describe not high? :P
Apr 29 00:25:28 <AStorm> KotCzarny: it is compatible
Apr 29 00:25:30 <AStorm> mostly
Apr 29 00:25:32 <zakmm> rs-mmc not mmc :P
Apr 29 00:25:35 <AStorm> at least electrically
Apr 29 00:25:45 <AStorm> you need to hack the enclosure though
Apr 29 00:25:53 <AStorm> or the socket
Apr 29 00:26:05 <KotCzarny> now that would be a coll project :P
Apr 29 00:26:08 <AStorm> and have protocol support in the kernel (should be already there)
Apr 29 00:26:09 <KotCzarny> cool
Apr 29 00:26:16 <AStorm> People have done it already ;>
Apr 29 00:26:23 <zakmm> should internet call work fine for me .. over SIP ?
Apr 29 00:26:29 <KotCzarny> astorm: link ? :)
Apr 29 00:26:39 <zakmm> i saw a pic
Apr 29 00:26:49 <zakmm> of someone who opened a nokia 770.. there was a miniSD adapter in it?
Apr 29 00:26:55 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 29 00:26:58 <KotCzarny> then it's cool
Apr 29 00:27:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:27:09 <zakmm> it was on.. show me screenshots internettablettalk forum
Apr 29 00:27:15 <zakmm> dont remember the page
Apr 29 00:27:28 <zakmm> would internet call work for me?
Apr 29 00:27:31 <KotCzarny> i have thought it has mmc reader only
Apr 29 00:27:58 <AStorm> yes, it only has MMC
Apr 29 00:28:04 <AStorm> you have to mod it to support SD too
Apr 29 00:28:12 <AStorm> and no SDHC for you
Apr 29 00:28:18 <zakmm> anyone wanna sell me a RS-MMC? :P
Apr 29 00:28:44 <AStorm> shops will
Apr 29 00:28:52 <AStorm> if you look well, you'll find it
Apr 29 00:28:57 <zakmm> a local shop
Apr 29 00:29:00 <zakmm> sells 1gb for $60 -l;-
Apr 29 00:29:09 <AStorm> so what? ;P
Apr 29 00:29:14 <AStorm> these are uncommon
Apr 29 00:29:30 <AStorm> and MMC were always more expensive (due to "standarization")
Apr 29 00:29:48 <zakmm> you can call peoples houses with google talk .. in internet call?
Apr 29 00:29:54 <AStorm> yes
Apr 29 00:30:06 <AStorm> but I'm not sure if SU-18 has enough CPU power
Apr 29 00:31:11 <KotCzarny> astorm: isn't sd--sdhc difference only in driver?
Apr 29 00:31:20 <AStorm> no
Apr 29 00:31:22 <KotCzarny> ie. software side ?
Apr 29 00:31:22 <AStorm> in voltage
Apr 29 00:31:37 <AStorm> it depends on how the hardware is designed
Apr 29 00:31:46 <AStorm> sometimes just software, sometimes not
Apr 29 00:31:54 <AStorm> needs to support lower voltage
Apr 29 00:32:26 <KotCzarny> hmm, ie 3.3 vs 5v mmc?
Apr 29 00:32:31 <AStorm> no
Apr 29 00:32:36 <AStorm> SD is 3V
Apr 29 00:32:44 <AStorm> SDHC is lower, encoded in the header
Apr 29 00:32:56 <KotCzarny> i don't remember exactly
Apr 29 00:33:05 <KotCzarny> but i saw in dmesg 3.3v
Apr 29 00:33:11 <KotCzarny> for my sdhc cards
Apr 29 00:33:13 <AStorm> 3.0V
Apr 29 00:33:18 <KotCzarny> let me check
Apr 29 00:33:19 <AStorm> for your internal chip ;P
Apr 29 00:33:26 <AStorm> which is normal SD
Apr 29 00:33:38 <KotCzarny> no it's not
Apr 29 00:33:40 <AStorm> my card grabs 2,7V
Apr 29 00:33:41 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:33:48 <KotCzarny> i have n800
Apr 29 00:33:51 <AStorm> ahha
Apr 29 00:33:56 <AStorm> so read dmesg
Apr 29 00:34:47 <KotCzarny> 2.8
Apr 29 00:34:58 <KotCzarny> let's check other card
Apr 29 00:35:20 <KotCzarny> 3v
Apr 29 00:35:54 <AStorm> as I said, it's lower than 3V ;)
Apr 29 00:35:59 <AStorm> might be 3V, depends
Apr 29 00:36:07 <KotCzarny> both are sdhc
Apr 29 00:36:18 <KotCzarny> one is bigger though
Apr 29 00:36:33 <KotCzarny> [523786.632812] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8)
Apr 29 00:36:33 <KotCzarny> [523788.671875] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 2800 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x29)
Apr 29 00:37:19 <KotCzarny> i can't see messages about internal flash though
Apr 29 00:37:21 <KotCzarny> hum
Apr 29 00:37:22 <AStorm> VMMC is the internal afaicr
Apr 29 00:37:28 <KotCzarny> e-e
Apr 29 00:37:30 <AStorm> internal flash isn't regulated like that
Apr 29 00:37:38 <KotCzarny> internal i mean onenand flash
Apr 29 00:37:40 <AStorm> KotCzarny: VMMC is the internal MMC
Apr 29 00:37:50 <AStorm> KotCzarny: that flash has no controllable voltage
Apr 29 00:37:58 <AStorm> it's constant, I guess 3,3V
Apr 29 00:38:13 <KotCzarny> maybe that's where i saw 3.3
Apr 29 00:38:14 <AStorm> most likely nothing uses 5V
Apr 29 00:38:25 <AStorm> (as the cell is 3,7V for a reason ;P )
Apr 29 00:38:52 <KotCzarny> [    1.523437] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VDCDC3' to 3300 mV (reg 0x07, val 0x39)
Apr 29 00:38:55 <KotCzarny> hrmpf.
Apr 29 00:39:06 <KotCzarny> at the bootup it was 3.3
Apr 29 00:39:15 <KotCzarny> then went down to 2.8
Apr 29 00:39:17 <AStorm> yes
Apr 29 00:39:19 <AStorm> in SD mode
Apr 29 00:39:23 <AStorm> then it was set to SDHC
Apr 29 00:40:04 <zakmm> on the nokia
Apr 29 00:40:15 <AStorm> feeling proud? ;P
Apr 29 00:40:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:40:24 <zakmm> it asks for user and pw for my sip account.. voip username@
Apr 29 00:40:25 <zakmm> 	Registrar : sip.voipbuster.com
Apr 29 00:40:32 <AStorm> correct
Apr 29 00:40:37 <zakmm> so zakmm@sip.voipbuster.com?
Apr 29 00:40:40 <zakmm> is username for sip ?
Apr 29 00:40:46 <AStorm> just zakmm
Apr 29 00:40:57 <zakmm> the internet call thingy
Apr 29 00:40:58 <AStorm> btw, I suggest you install rtcomm beta if trying voice communication
Apr 29 00:41:00 <zakmm> has a @ after username
Apr 29 00:41:02 <AStorm> it supports STUN better
Apr 29 00:41:09 <zakmm> is it less requirements?
Apr 29 00:41:14 <AStorm> not much less
Apr 29 00:41:22 <AStorm> SU-18 is just too slow ;P
Apr 29 00:41:39 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 29 00:41:50 <KotCzarny> i think mtd config is done by the kernel
Apr 29 00:41:51 <zakmm> i did calls on gizmo on 2006 just fine?
Apr 29 00:41:52 <KotCzarny> not by nolo
Apr 29 00:41:54 <zakmm> landline calls?
Apr 29 00:42:08 <AStorm> KotCzarny: yes, by the kernel
Apr 29 00:42:21 <AStorm> but voltage is constant
Apr 29 00:42:23 <KotCzarny> so it should be fairly easy to create bigger kernel
Apr 29 00:42:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:42:32 <unixSnob> STUN?
Apr 29 00:42:44 <AStorm> unixSnob: GOOGLE, fscking use it
Apr 29 00:42:46 <KotCzarny> unless nolo won't like it
Apr 29 00:42:56 <AStorm> Nolo does broadcast partition table data
Apr 29 00:43:03 * KotCzarny prods unixsnob
Apr 29 00:43:07 <AStorm> so you'd have to disable table parsing
Apr 29 00:43:12 <zakmm> what is presense?
Apr 29 00:43:30 <AStorm> zakmm: presence you mean? like status
Apr 29 00:43:34 <KotCzarny> onenand is 1.8v
Apr 29 00:43:36 <zakmm> i guess?
Apr 29 00:43:40 <AStorm> KotCzarny: possible
Apr 29 00:43:44 <zakmm> at top part near brightness
Apr 29 00:43:46 <AStorm> there are many types of flash
Apr 29 00:43:49 <zakmm> is something called presense?
Apr 29 00:44:13 <AStorm> zakmm: it's the status selector
Apr 29 00:44:19 <AStorm> if you're offline, away, etc.
Apr 29 00:44:27 <AStorm> and the status message
Apr 29 00:45:28 <zakmm> is there bluetooth on the nokia 770?
Apr 29 00:45:35 <AStorm> should be
Apr 29 00:45:48 <AStorm> wouldn't be much of an internet tablet w/o connection to cell phones
Apr 29 00:45:54 <AStorm> yes, it has BT
Apr 29 00:46:06 <zakmm> so should i have bluetooth on?
Apr 29 00:46:11 <zakmm> i found the setting to turn it on
Apr 29 00:46:14 <AStorm> you may have
Apr 29 00:46:17 <AStorm> it eats power
Apr 29 00:46:22 <AStorm> of course
Apr 29 00:46:37 <zakmm> oh right
Apr 29 00:46:48 <zakmm> can a pc with bluetooth recognize it?
Apr 29 00:46:53 <AStorm> not nearly as much as wifi though
Apr 29 00:46:55 <AStorm> yes, it can
Apr 29 00:46:55 <zakmm> if pc has bluetooth?
Apr 29 00:47:00 <zakmm> sick :D
Apr 29 00:47:06 <AStorm> usually as OBEX file transfer service
Apr 29 00:47:08 <KotCzarny> why sick?
Apr 29 00:47:13 <KotCzarny> it's called technology
Apr 29 00:47:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 00:47:15 <zakmm> lol
Apr 29 00:47:16 <AStorm> but if you do it manually, you can use it as networking
Apr 29 00:47:46 <zakmm> rather not, thanks
Apr 29 00:48:00 <zakmm> ah the 2008HE is wicked :D
Apr 29 00:48:02 <zakmm> slow.. but wicked
Apr 29 00:48:53 <smackpotato> is that for 770
Apr 29 00:48:54 <AStorm> nah, the tablets are just great
Apr 29 00:48:58 <AStorm> smackpotato: yes
Apr 29 00:48:59 <zakmm> yeah
Apr 29 00:49:01 <zakmm> im on a nokia 770 now
Apr 29 00:49:05 <zakmm> i installed 2008HE today on it
Apr 29 00:49:16 <smackpotato> cool
Apr 29 00:49:23 <zakmm> smackpotato: you have a nokia 770?
Apr 29 00:50:10 <smackpotato> my 770 is just lying aroune since i got my 810
Apr 29 00:50:14 <zakmm> lol
Apr 29 00:50:20 <zakmm> wanna sell me it? a friend wants
Apr 29 00:50:25 <zakmm> he looked at mine hes like i wanttt
Apr 29 00:50:30 <zakmm> and another friend is geting a nokia 800 :P
Apr 29 00:50:35 <AStorm> yeah, N810 is so much better
Apr 29 00:50:39 <AStorm> N800 is also
Apr 29 00:50:47 <smackpotato> i think its going to my neice
Apr 29 00:50:47 <AStorm> 770 just doesn't have enough power
Apr 29 00:50:54 <AStorm> smackpotato: :-)
Apr 29 00:50:56 <zakmm> we're 16/17 years old
Apr 29 00:50:58 <zakmm> not much cash :P
Apr 29 00:51:15 <zakmm> ok what was that ifconfig wlan0 renew? or something
Apr 29 00:51:23 <smackpotato> im an old man
Apr 29 00:51:27 <AStorm> zakmm: no
Apr 29 00:51:34 <AStorm> you do that with udhcpcd
Apr 29 00:51:39 <AStorm> read up on that
Apr 29 00:51:44 <AStorm> (or just reconnect)
Apr 29 00:51:55 <AStorm> smackpotato: yeah, like, 80? ;P
Apr 29 00:52:04 <zakmm> i reconnected like6  times
Apr 29 00:52:05 <zakmm> no luck
Apr 29 00:52:15 <smackpotato> 50 anyway
Apr 29 00:52:17 <KotCzarny> just get that wifi router up
Apr 29 00:52:25 <zakmm> mine?
Apr 29 00:52:28 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 29 00:52:28 <zakmm> what time is it .. EST
Apr 29 00:52:32 <AStorm> smackpotato: that's not old enough
Apr 29 00:52:35 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 29 00:52:36 <zakmm> my clock on pc says Dec 2001 lol
Apr 29 00:52:51 <AStorm> it's 01:53 UTC
Apr 29 00:52:55 <AStorm> almost
Apr 29 00:52:59 <zakmm> how come
Apr 29 00:53:04 <zakmm> it says "data is being transferred"
Apr 29 00:53:10 <AStorm> correct
Apr 29 00:53:11 <zakmm> and shows kbyte/s for send and recieve
Apr 29 00:53:19 <zakmm> but i dont get any like internet ?
Apr 29 00:53:19 <AStorm> so it somewhat works
Apr 29 00:53:25 <zakmm> yeah but nothing works for me
Apr 29 00:53:30 <AStorm> does ping 80.53.32.122 work?
Apr 29 00:53:33 <zakmm> its requesting and geting back nothing lol
Apr 29 00:53:36 <zakmm> onesec
Apr 29 00:53:56 <AStorm> should print timings
Apr 29 00:54:07 <zakmm> i know what ping does :D lol
Apr 29 00:54:09 <AStorm> note, these are dots ;P
Apr 29 00:54:16 <AStorm> it's easy to mistype
Apr 29 00:54:42 <KotCzarny> it would scream about dns then
Apr 29 00:54:53 <AStorm> yep
Apr 29 00:54:59 <zakmm> i get 1 line
Apr 29 00:55:00 <AStorm> or not, it's busybox
Apr 29 00:55:04 <zakmm> and then the terminal is loading?
Apr 29 00:55:09 <AStorm> zakmm: ok, so your route is incorrect
Apr 29 00:55:16 <AStorm> check netstat -r
Apr 29 00:55:55 <zakmm> gateway 192.168.10.1 genmask 0.0.0.0 flags UG ?
Apr 29 00:56:09 <AStorm> that's not enough
Apr 29 00:56:15 <zakmm> and then
Apr 29 00:56:18 <zakmm> theres iface?
Apr 29 00:56:26 <AStorm> ok, so default route works
Apr 29 00:56:29 <zakmm> 192.168.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U
Apr 29 00:56:31 <zakmm> above it
Apr 29 00:56:32 <AStorm> try pinging the gateway
Apr 29 00:56:39 <zakmm> hah sorry i aws searching for what i thought you wanted
Apr 29 00:56:40 <AStorm> ping 192.168.10.1 ofc
Apr 29 00:57:05 <zakmm> 64bytes from ...
Apr 29 00:57:07 <zakmm> time 3.1ms
Apr 29 00:57:09 <zakmm> alot
Apr 29 00:57:22 <zakmm> stop it
Apr 29 00:57:26 <AStorm> ok
Apr 29 00:57:35 <zakmm> 20 packets transmitted, 19 packets recieved, 5% packet loss
Apr 29 00:57:36 <AStorm> so gateway works, but doesn't route packets for you
Apr 29 00:57:43 <AStorm> is it yours?
Apr 29 00:57:45 <zakmm> im guesing cause i did ctrl +c while one was going
Apr 29 00:57:47 <zakmm> no
Apr 29 00:57:48 <KotCzarny> nope
Apr 29 00:57:49 <zakmm> its neighbors
Apr 29 00:57:51 <zakmm> lol
Apr 29 00:58:08 <zakmm> is it them ?
Apr 29 00:58:08 <AStorm> ok, probably they have routing disabled, or route only some ips
Apr 29 00:58:08 <KotCzarny> that's why i'm telling him to get his router from the closet
Apr 29 00:58:12 <lcuk> Gerrof my lawn, you sheeky kids!
Apr 29 00:58:20 <zakmm> can i do manual ip?
Apr 29 00:58:23 <zakmm> would that work?
Apr 29 00:58:29 <KotCzarny> maybe
Apr 29 00:58:31 <AStorm> zakmm: you don''t know enough to do that ;P
Apr 29 00:58:32 <zakmm> yeah but someones downstairs using net
Apr 29 00:58:38 <zakmm> and changing requires like unplugging lol
Apr 29 00:58:44 <zakmm> yeah i do just tell me
Apr 29 00:58:45 <zakmm> lol
Apr 29 00:58:58 <AStorm> you'd need kismet or similar, which you don't have (it's crashy on IT anyway)
Apr 29 00:59:14 <zakmm> in connections when you select one
Apr 29 00:59:17 <zakmm> you can edit the saved ones
Apr 29 00:59:20 <zakmm> and do manual ip?
Apr 29 00:59:21 <zakmm> and DNS
Apr 29 00:59:25 <zakmm> and then proxy and all
Apr 29 00:59:29 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 29 01:01:03 <AStorm> zakmm: you'll fail anyway ;P
Apr 29 01:01:59 <AStorm> you must have a degree of knowledge of the network
Apr 29 01:02:04 * unixSnob thinks even a novice can handle a manual IP
Apr 29 01:02:14 <AStorm> unixSnob: but not guess the right, routed IPs
Apr 29 01:02:15 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 29 01:02:22 <AStorm> unless it's 192.168.10.2
Apr 29 01:02:23 <AStorm> ;P
Apr 29 01:02:23 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 29 01:02:26 <KotCzarny> that's 256 tries
Apr 29 01:02:27 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 29 01:02:38 <KotCzarny> and i think 10.1 is the right on
Apr 29 01:02:44 <KotCzarny> only ignoring his ip
Apr 29 01:02:46 <AStorm> I'd use arp personally
Apr 29 01:02:56 <KotCzarny> i'd use nmap
Apr 29 01:02:58 <zakmm> ok
Apr 29 01:03:03 <zakmm> setting up the wireless in my room
Apr 29 01:03:04 <AStorm> KotCzarny: not good enough
Apr 29 01:03:11 <AStorm> firewall will throw these away
Apr 29 01:03:18 <AStorm> while arp are broadcast correctly
Apr 29 01:03:21 <zakmm> i broung the wireless router to my room
Apr 29 01:03:26 <AStorm> and display present machines
Apr 29 01:03:27 <AStorm> :>
Apr 29 01:03:36 <unixSnob> I don't think it's common for folks to constraint to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet
Apr 29 01:03:45 <KotCzarny> i usually use -p 80 for scanning
Apr 29 01:03:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 01:03:47 <unixSnob> s/constraint/constrain/
Apr 29 01:03:47 <infobot> unixSnob meant: I don't think it's common for folks to constrain to a range of IPs.. usually I can get away with just getting in the subnet
Apr 29 01:04:55 <AStorm> unixSnob: sometimes, yes
Apr 29 01:05:02 <AStorm> but in this case, seemingly not
Apr 29 01:05:20 <AStorm> more evil is DHCP on MAC ;)
Apr 29 01:05:29 <zakmm> ill be back .. have to kill internet to use wireless ( changing routers )
Apr 29 01:05:32 <AStorm> (unless you can get ARP ;P )
Apr 29 01:05:52 <KotCzarny> poor internet..
Apr 29 01:06:03 <KotCzarny> are we gonna die too?
Apr 29 01:06:12 <AStorm> no
Apr 29 01:06:21 <AStorm> but it's not internet if you cannot connect
Apr 29 01:06:26 <AStorm> it's intranet ;P
Apr 29 01:06:37 <AStorm> or even shadownet ;P
Apr 29 01:06:41 <KotCzarny> with intranet you can connect too
Apr 29 01:06:52 <KotCzarny> to a limited group though
Apr 29 01:21:33 <zakmm> ok i got wifi and net works on it :D
Apr 29 01:21:41 <zakmm> my own wireless internet...
Apr 29 01:21:58 <KotCzarny> don't forget to lower txpower on it
Apr 29 01:22:04 <KotCzarny> (on router)
Apr 29 01:22:09 <zakmm> uhm
Apr 29 01:22:14 <zakmm> 2.4ghz its at? or something
Apr 29 01:22:23 <KotCzarny> not freq
Apr 29 01:22:27 <KotCzarny> but tx power
Apr 29 01:22:29 <zakmm> WPA2 - password'd?
Apr 29 01:22:38 <KotCzarny> wpa2 could do too
Apr 29 01:22:47 <zakmm> thats what its at
Apr 29 01:22:58 <zakmm> now i have to do repos
Apr 29 01:23:08 <zakmm> there was skype in the application manager? i thought it wouldnt work?
Apr 29 01:23:27 <KotCzarny> don't run out of disk space
Apr 29 01:23:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 01:23:32 <zakmm> and zmartell@sip.voipbuster.com didnt work?
Apr 29 01:23:44 <zakmm> http://www.voipbuster.com/en/sipp.html
Apr 29 01:25:04 <zakmm> im at that page with all the repos on my nokia and when i click click to install nothing happens
Apr 29 01:31:31 <Grackle> How can I convince my N800 to mount the memory card somewhere else?
Apr 29 01:31:42 <KotCzarny> edit mmc-mount script
Apr 29 01:31:53 <Grackle> I've made an entry in /etc/fstab, but it still gets m...
Apr 29 01:31:54 <KotCzarny> or just make a symlink
Apr 29 01:31:54 <Grackle> ah ok
Apr 29 01:32:11 <KotCzarny> some things in os depend on /media/mmc{1,2}
Apr 29 01:32:30 <Grackle> Oh, I was asking about that earlier. Hmm.
Apr 29 01:32:36 <zakmm> is canola 2.0.0~beta1~maemo.1 old?
Apr 29 01:33:36 <Navi> Yeah
Apr 29 01:34:18 <zakmm> thanks
Apr 29 01:34:22 <zakmm> its downloading awfully slow
Apr 29 01:35:09 <ralann> is there a macosx flasher tool?
Apr 29 01:35:44 <ralann> i saw a page about one but it had no links to the flasher it talked about
Apr 29 01:36:01 <GAN8001> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Flashing_OS2008_With_Mac_OS_X_%28Console%29
Apr 29 01:36:12 <ralann> thx
Apr 29 01:36:21 <GAN8001> step 5 has the link
Apr 29 01:36:24 <ralann> i missed that in my lookings
Apr 29 01:38:48 <zakmm> smart :D
Apr 29 01:43:09 <ralann> thx that looks easy
Apr 29 01:45:17 <zakmm> how come my nokia rebooted when i installed skype?
Apr 29 01:46:17 <KotCzarny> out of mem?
Apr 29 01:46:21 <KotCzarny> watchdog?
Apr 29 01:48:08 <zakmm> oh probably
Apr 29 01:48:11 <zakmm> it restarted
Apr 29 01:48:15 <zakmm> and skype is loggin
Apr 29 01:48:19 <zakmm> yeah skype works?
Apr 29 01:48:21 <zakmm> im logged in
Apr 29 01:51:53 <zakmm> when i call on skype .. how come i get a "skype recording error" msg
Apr 29 01:52:12 <KotCzarny> no codec?
Apr 29 01:52:15 <KotCzarny> no sound device?
Apr 29 01:52:25 <KotCzarny> google
Apr 29 01:52:27 <zakmm> how would i go about and install?
Apr 29 01:52:30 <zakmm> noo
Apr 29 01:52:32 <zakmm> on the nokia
Apr 29 01:52:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 01:52:37 <zakmm> i installed skype . .it logs in
Apr 29 01:52:41 <zakmm> but when i call .. i get that error
Apr 29 02:06:51 <lopz> hola
Apr 29 02:06:58 <KotCzarny> ola
Apr 29 02:11:28 <zakmm> "no common codec" from skype?
Apr 29 02:11:51 <KotCzarny> i have heard it today in this chan
Apr 29 02:47:39 <zakmm> how come sometimes the web is so smooth and others its like a crawl?
Apr 29 02:48:16 <KotCzarny> swapping
Apr 29 02:48:20 <KotCzarny> and low memory
Apr 29 02:48:26 <KotCzarny> maybe some broken js too
Apr 29 02:48:52 <zakmm> only browser is running
Apr 29 02:48:57 <KotCzarny> so what?
Apr 29 02:48:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 02:49:01 <zakmm> it was its own google.. how much js can there be
Apr 29 02:49:07 <KotCzarny> browser is hungry
Apr 29 02:49:15 <KotCzarny> cache?
Apr 29 02:49:40 <zakmm> what do i set it to?
Apr 29 02:49:48 <zakmm> its at 1024
Apr 29 02:49:57 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 29 02:50:01 <KotCzarny> don't know
Apr 29 02:50:03 <KotCzarny> just guessing
Apr 29 02:50:05 <zakmm> 4096?
Apr 29 02:53:46 <zakmm> is there something like top for it?
Apr 29 02:53:51 <zakmm> system monitor.
Apr 29 02:53:51 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 29 02:54:04 <KotCzarny> try: top
Apr 29 02:54:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 29 02:54:31 <zakmm> maemo launcher takes 35.9% cpu and Xomap takes 20.7% cpu?
Apr 29 02:54:35 <zakmm> ahh memory usage*
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