**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 29 02:59:58 2008 Apr 29 03:39:37 wow alot coming and going Apr 29 03:50:15 how come audio playback on any player on the 2008HE wont play smooth and like totally freezes the program? Apr 29 03:50:36 well freezes my nokia too Apr 29 03:50:48 because they probably use the same slave? Apr 29 03:53:52 is the audio codec's messed or something Apr 29 03:53:58 gstreamer i believe isnt it? Apr 29 03:54:07 can i install different ? Apr 29 03:54:07 don't know Apr 29 03:54:11 try itt Apr 29 03:54:22 (internettablettalk.com or .org don't remember) Apr 29 03:54:43 im there alot .. never seen a topic/post on it though Apr 29 03:54:55 yet Apr 29 03:54:58 oh Apr 29 03:55:01 is there xpdf? Apr 29 03:55:21 probably Apr 29 03:55:35 i would suggest you grabbing sdk Apr 29 03:55:47 im trying to run canola .. but it wont open when i click on it Apr 29 03:56:06 how hard is it to compile for 2008HE? Apr 29 03:56:06 try running from xterm Apr 29 03:56:19 have you ever compiled on linux? Apr 29 03:56:45 the usual autogen.sh ./configure make make install? Apr 29 03:56:52 something like this Apr 29 03:56:53 and possibly some use flags after ./configure Apr 29 03:56:57 but in scratchbox Apr 29 03:56:58 depending the app Apr 29 03:57:19 are you familiar with debian? Apr 29 03:57:26 or .debs in general? Apr 29 03:57:36 i use.. never really made? Apr 29 03:57:45 dpkg -i or something? Apr 29 03:57:51 it's for installing Apr 29 03:57:59 i know what they are Apr 29 03:58:01 ;p Apr 29 03:58:12 all of them? Apr 29 03:58:20 deb's? Apr 29 03:58:24 all of them ? Apr 29 03:58:24 commands Apr 29 03:58:28 oh Apr 29 03:58:32 pretty familar? Apr 29 03:58:40 dont have much of a memory myself. Apr 29 03:58:48 then you should know about fakeroot dpkg-buildroot then Apr 29 03:58:51 when i do canola i get Illegal instruction -.- Apr 29 03:59:10 well, then canola guys compiled it for n8x0 cpu, unfortunatelly Apr 29 03:59:19 dang Apr 29 03:59:21 oh well Apr 29 03:59:26 at least i know its not my nokia :D Apr 29 03:59:33 well it is but i mean mine specifically Apr 29 03:59:55 yeah, diff. cpu Apr 29 04:00:20 i start a app and then it opens like 1-2 min later ? Apr 29 04:00:28 except like terminal Apr 29 04:00:34 low memory Apr 29 04:00:41 i gave swap? Apr 29 04:00:44 run ubuntu on 64mb Apr 29 04:00:52 see how well it goes Apr 29 04:00:53 :) Apr 29 04:01:05 with browser etc Apr 29 04:01:43 lol Apr 29 04:01:46 gnome .. yeah right -.- Apr 29 04:01:50 gnome is so bloated Apr 29 04:01:58 swap is ~10-20x slower than regular hdd Apr 29 04:01:59 i wouldnt try any buntu's .. there so slow Apr 29 04:02:04 its not a harddrive though Apr 29 04:02:07 its a flash card Apr 29 04:02:09 -.- Apr 29 04:02:18 system sees it as a block device Apr 29 04:02:23 system doesn't care Apr 29 04:02:30 so what its like underclocked? Apr 29 04:02:41 just slow Apr 29 04:02:53 i think you can try looking for fanoush page Apr 29 04:02:55 it has some hacks Apr 29 04:03:04 for 770 too Apr 29 04:03:11 to help my speed? :D Apr 29 04:03:29 don't know Apr 29 04:03:30 :) Apr 29 04:03:41 xournal is lagging Apr 29 04:03:46 i know that my head is going to kill me Apr 29 04:03:51 ? Apr 29 04:03:56 hurts Apr 29 04:04:04 see a doctor? Apr 29 04:04:10 nah Apr 29 04:04:23 i'll be dead soon if i did Apr 29 04:04:30 ? Apr 29 04:04:38 don't like doctors Apr 29 04:04:57 why? Apr 29 04:05:06 omg it restarted Apr 29 04:05:16 i have so much swap though.. why is it out of mem? Apr 29 04:05:32 because 64+32 isn't quite enough? Apr 29 04:05:37 n8x0 has 128mb of ram Apr 29 04:05:45 ah Apr 29 04:05:47 how much does ur have Apr 29 04:05:49 with swap Apr 29 04:06:00 128 Apr 29 04:06:10 how does 2007HE look? Apr 29 04:06:11 i turn on swap if i know i will run memory hog app Apr 29 04:06:13 does it look like 2008? Apr 29 04:06:16 don't know Apr 29 04:06:21 i have seen only os2008 Apr 29 04:06:49 i can make more swap .. delete stuff on my mem card? Apr 29 04:07:19 don't know Apr 29 04:08:23 what is maemo application launcher Apr 29 04:08:30 it takes like 65% mem usage Apr 29 04:08:31 hum? Apr 29 04:08:53 i ran "top" in xterm Apr 29 04:09:08 the max swap you can enable by default on a 770 is 64mb Apr 29 04:09:09 numbers in top aren't exactly what you think they are Apr 29 04:09:32 "numbers in top may be closer then they appear" Apr 29 04:09:50 prot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteus_syndrome Apr 29 04:09:51 :> Apr 29 04:10:33 now you know why I haven't posted any pictures of myself!!! Apr 29 04:10:34 heh Apr 29 04:10:43 luckly I don't spell my name that way :p Apr 29 04:11:00 you mean, your ersion has a typo? Apr 29 04:11:00 :P Apr 29 04:11:21 must be because of my overgrown hands Apr 29 04:11:23 only a few more than 200 cases have been confirmed worldwide, with estimates that about 120 people are currently alive with the condition Apr 29 04:11:39 I make millions by letting scientists study me Apr 29 04:11:45 muhahahahahaa Apr 29 04:11:47 *cough* Apr 29 04:11:48 in dark times they were called 'freaks of nature' Apr 29 04:12:06 sad Apr 29 04:12:13 "Merrick himself died when the weight of his head dislocated his neck while asleep." Apr 29 04:12:16 !!! Apr 29 04:12:20 :) Apr 29 04:12:50 yup, evolution hates some people Apr 29 04:14:27 whats "Maemo launcher" Apr 29 04:14:40 probably some 'acceleration app' Apr 29 04:14:42 ahh i really like 2008HE UI :( Apr 29 04:14:55 it takes 65% mem usage.. maemo launcher Apr 29 04:15:02 but in low mem condition it may slow everything down Apr 29 04:15:16 ? Apr 29 04:15:16 look for a way to disable it Apr 29 04:15:27 killall maemo-launcher? :D Apr 29 04:15:29 the version of top on the tablets lies Apr 29 04:15:38 ...about mem usage Apr 29 04:15:59 terrible vesion then Apr 29 04:16:01 hi johnx :D Apr 29 04:16:02 remember me Apr 29 04:16:21 yeah Apr 29 04:16:28 i got 2008HE going Apr 29 04:16:30 but its so slow :( Apr 29 04:16:34 awesome Apr 29 04:16:38 not so awesome Apr 29 04:17:06 KotCzarny: killing it restarted the nokia Apr 29 04:17:11 i know Apr 29 04:17:12 :) Apr 29 04:17:12 johnx: know any speedups i could do ? Apr 29 04:17:24 my main problem is running nothing but xterm = 97% mem usage Apr 29 04:17:26 kill off metalayer-crawler Apr 29 04:17:27 that's why i have said 'disabling' and not 'killing' Apr 29 04:17:32 i did that already Apr 29 04:17:33 turn on some swap Apr 29 04:17:42 i did 32mb? Apr 29 04:17:54 i know its not alot :( but i cant do much more Apr 29 04:18:01 would like 48mb help more? Apr 29 04:18:17 type free Apr 29 04:18:23 yeah Apr 29 04:18:24 see what the swap usage is Apr 29 04:18:27 it uses 97% with just xterm Apr 29 04:18:35 of swap? Apr 29 04:18:40 no Apr 29 04:18:42 of normal system Apr 29 04:18:51 how much is cached? Apr 29 04:18:55 onsec Apr 29 04:19:27 it doesnt show cached? Apr 29 04:19:34 it stops at share? Apr 29 04:19:38 it should, either in free or top Apr 29 04:19:54 top says Apr 29 04:19:54 paste results of 'free' on pastebin.com Apr 29 04:19:57 21952k cached Apr 29 04:19:59 and give us link Apr 29 04:20:00 60644k used Apr 29 04:20:03 1580k free Apr 29 04:20:16 how? its on my nokia? Apr 29 04:20:32 pastebin.com is a website Apr 29 04:20:36 i know Apr 29 04:20:40 but you want me to retype what i see? Apr 29 04:20:52 ssh in? or hilight it in xterm and open up the browser? Apr 29 04:21:00 i think you can copy and paste? Apr 29 04:21:07 lol johnx: you dont understand how long browser takes to open Apr 29 04:21:17 dont have ssh Apr 29 04:21:22 cant ssh a windows pc can you? Apr 29 04:21:28 putty Apr 29 04:21:31 should i download rdesktop? Apr 29 04:21:35 i saw it in the repo Apr 29 04:21:45 anyways, in top, how much does it say is cached Apr 29 04:21:49 that's the only number I want :) Apr 29 04:21:54 21952k .. out of 60644k used Apr 29 04:22:07 so 21952k caches Apr 29 04:22:18 s/s/d Apr 29 04:22:27 ? Apr 29 04:22:29 anyways, that's not too bad really Apr 29 04:22:38 on an idle os Apr 29 04:22:41 :) Apr 29 04:22:49 starting anything eats ram fast Apr 29 04:22:58 oh definitely Apr 29 04:23:35 like now Apr 29 04:23:38 xournal just froze on me Apr 29 04:23:44 only app running Apr 29 04:24:05 and my battery like died Apr 29 04:24:48 You need at least 64MB of swap in OS2008HE Apr 29 04:25:03 Remember, OS2008 is designed for a device with 128MB of physical RAM Apr 29 04:25:44 i only have the 64mb card Apr 29 04:26:16 should i go back to 2006/07 .. wait till i get a 1gb card.. come back .. add swap Apr 29 04:26:21 and it will be alot better? Apr 29 04:26:28 a little better Apr 29 04:26:29 :) Apr 29 04:26:54 i love 2008HE Apr 29 04:27:22 2008HE hates you though Apr 29 04:27:34 a match made in the internets Apr 29 04:27:53 lol Apr 29 04:39:50 why doesnt the browser have a webkit engine? Apr 29 04:40:03 ..yet Apr 29 04:40:23 some people managed to run webkit based thingie Apr 29 04:40:40 it seems like it would be faster like launching and all Apr 29 04:40:43 lower footprint? Apr 29 04:40:46 yes Apr 29 04:40:52 and running too Apr 29 04:41:06 nothing in the making? Apr 29 04:41:24 itt has most of the news Apr 29 04:42:02 midori is nice on the n800 Apr 29 04:42:21 it's supposedly not much faster than microb (builtin browser) on the 770 though Apr 29 04:42:33 it's definitely worth a shot Apr 29 04:43:52 i figure ill try low apps lol Apr 29 04:43:56 but keep the 2008HE Apr 29 04:44:14 learn to compile and do like xpdf and stuff Apr 29 04:44:16 wanna links2 browser? Apr 29 04:44:17 links -g Apr 29 04:44:18 :) Apr 29 04:44:30 links2.1pre33 Apr 29 04:45:21 bah, wget and cat is good enough for anyone Apr 29 04:45:55 wget? bah! Apr 29 04:45:58 I telnet to port 80 Apr 29 04:46:04 lol Apr 29 04:46:05 sometimes that's even a bit much, telneting to port 80 is calming Apr 29 04:46:09 :P Apr 29 04:46:20 hmm Apr 29 04:46:21 i cant download :P Apr 29 04:46:25 not enough space Apr 29 04:46:36 you might have to get rid of some of the pr0n then Apr 29 04:46:38 or just give up Apr 29 04:46:43 lol Apr 29 04:47:03 im going to bed Apr 29 04:47:15 don't want that links2 binary? Apr 29 04:47:16 :) Apr 29 04:47:20 you have it? Apr 29 04:47:25 compiling Apr 29 04:47:25 i got school in like 6-7 hours Apr 29 04:47:32 your compiling it now? Apr 29 04:47:40 2.3megs Apr 29 04:47:45 too much lol Apr 29 04:47:45 have that much space? Apr 29 04:47:49 dont think so Apr 29 04:47:54 well on memory i do .. but i have to install Apr 29 04:47:57 device doesnt. Apr 29 04:48:07 installed too much to try stuff lol Apr 29 04:48:07 remove something :) Apr 29 04:48:10 evince is wicked :D Apr 29 04:48:16 evince 2.21.7 Apr 29 04:48:24 couldnt even do 2.22 stable -.- Apr 29 04:48:44 mess with useflags.. take out stuff you dont want :D Apr 29 04:49:07 add ssl and graphics to links :P Apr 29 04:49:31 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/links770.gz Apr 29 04:49:32 hey is claws mail / sylpheed any good for the nokia? Apr 29 04:49:48 would that work for me? Apr 29 04:50:53 use wget to get it Apr 29 04:50:59 gzip -d to unpack Apr 29 04:51:06 and chmod +x to make it runnable Apr 29 04:51:37 wont download.. ( on my pc ) Apr 29 04:51:44 typo? Apr 29 04:51:56 i copy pasted? Apr 29 04:51:58 ;p Apr 29 04:52:08 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/binaries/links770.gz Apr 29 04:52:34 if you use ie add http:// Apr 29 04:52:44 i use opera 9.50 beta 2 Apr 29 04:52:49 came out last week :P Apr 29 04:52:51 so awesome Apr 29 04:53:06 also make sure your firewall/av doesn't block Apr 29 04:53:16 who says i have one? :P Apr 29 04:53:55 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Apr 29 04:53:55 Length: 1,698,807 (1.6M) [text/plain] Apr 29 04:54:00 i say Apr 29 04:54:07 because works for me Apr 29 04:54:07 your connecting to yourself Apr 29 04:54:08 :) Apr 29 04:54:10 nope Apr 29 04:54:10 of course its going to work Apr 29 04:54:17 i have tried from a shell account Apr 29 04:54:20 somewhere in the world Apr 29 04:54:22 for all i know you localhost'd that Apr 29 04:54:25 really Apr 29 04:54:27 how'd you get it? :D Apr 29 04:54:29 Resolving mrrau.dyndns.org... 68.162.32.101 Apr 29 04:54:34 i want :D Apr 29 04:54:38 so it's not local Apr 29 04:54:55 make friends with some admins Apr 29 04:55:05 then just ask nicely for an account Apr 29 04:55:11 it "works for me" Apr 29 04:56:39 maybe i should have added .exe to it Apr 29 04:56:42 for opera/ie Apr 29 04:56:43 :) Apr 29 04:57:34 how come 2008 is sucking so much battery? Apr 29 04:57:56 maybe some background process Apr 29 04:58:11 but i would bet on low memory and constant swapping/rereading Apr 29 04:58:37 it died in like 3 hrs Apr 29 04:58:40 frm full to like dead Apr 29 04:58:56 and i have brightness on like the lowest Apr 29 04:59:03 and wifi on Apr 29 04:59:09 and you were using it Apr 29 04:59:10 :) Apr 29 04:59:17 hmm...they probably didn't spend as much time tuning the power savings also Apr 29 04:59:17 bbefore i flashed .. in 2006 i had like 2 days with it before battery started going down Apr 29 04:59:42 my bet is on low memory though Apr 29 04:59:44 johnx: do you know why audio freezes my nokia? Apr 29 04:59:48 audio playback in any player Apr 29 05:00:02 on the 770 in os2008he? no idea... Apr 29 05:00:06 * johnx has an n800 Apr 29 05:01:33 night Apr 29 05:02:11 'night Apr 29 05:16:52 *yawn* Apr 29 05:24:53 gotta love the pure retardness of gizmodo articles Apr 29 05:25:00 Spotted at Buy.com with an MSRP of $479. Still not sure how this thing is going to work on WiMAX when no one has WiMAX and also, not many people use these tablets. Apr 29 05:25:19 yeah, just read that, too Apr 29 05:25:28 my comment is waiting in their queue I guess Apr 29 05:25:53 i think they disabled commenting for me because i called them retards a few times Apr 29 05:26:29 so I guess this is as good a place to ask as any: Does anyone know if clearwire in the US will actually work with an off-the-shelf wimax card that supports their frequency? Apr 29 05:28:36 in other words, will the n810 wimax work with clearwire? Apr 29 07:09:09 Morning. Apr 29 07:14:37 morning Apr 29 07:44:53 Hi ! Apr 29 07:45:30 what do u think of a web site like this one : http://khertan.net/motion ? Apr 29 07:50:27 Khertan_TheReal: Looks nice on my PC, but it is a slideshow on the tablet ;) Apr 29 07:53:58 re Apr 29 07:54:02 hum. How does one implement transparency in a home applet? Apr 29 07:54:37 nomis: By using a transparant image as background, I believe. Apr 29 07:56:26 X-Fade: I tried just connecting to the expose event of the HildonDesktopHomeItem() and using cairo to draw on it, and it gives me an opaque background. Apr 29 07:56:37 i.e. I don't even have a custom widget in it. Apr 29 07:56:47 nomis: I think this thread will help you: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=151583 Apr 29 07:59:26 ok, that looks quite involved. Apr 29 08:00:12 X-Fade: thanks. Will have to meditate about that. Apr 29 08:01:37 nomis: Khertan_TheReal's applets are transparant too, so you might want to look at the code. Apr 29 08:04:13 mhm, I kind of expected a utility function to hide that Xrender-stuff. Apr 29 08:24:40 I recall reading about a problem wherein removal of a USB keyboard on the N800 does not reactivate the onscreen keyboard. I am experiencing that problem.. Is there a solution? Apr 29 08:29:00 hmm, I think I'll use eCryptFS and probably easycrypt for my encryption needs (after making easycrypt more powerful) Apr 29 08:29:52 it's light and easy to configure Apr 29 08:33:29 AStorm: Did you see this: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/57718.html Apr 29 08:33:40 A 1 AA charger ;) Apr 29 08:33:53 I know it's possible Apr 29 08:34:01 but wasteful - low efficiency Apr 29 08:34:13 2 AA are better Apr 29 08:34:58 ah, no Apr 29 08:35:03 it won't have enough current Apr 29 08:35:17 http://cgi.ebay.com/AA-Battery-Charger-for-Mobiles-Phones-Nokia-Sony-Moto_W0QQitemZ180235900924QQihZ008QQcategoryZ20336QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Apr 29 08:35:19 too wimpy for Nokia, might be tight for some cellphones too Apr 29 08:36:31 nomis> take a look at the source code of my applet ... it s in python Apr 29 08:36:59 Khertan_TheReal: doing that already. Apr 29 08:37:00 :) Apr 29 08:45:30 Khertan_TheReal: yay, it works. Apr 29 08:58:48 nomis: What kind of applet are your creating? Apr 29 09:00:04 X-Fade: just porting my "Bahnhofsuhr" clock to every possible medium :) Apr 29 09:00:16 Ah ;) Apr 29 09:00:17 X-Fade: see http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/bahnhofsuhr.html with an SVG and Javascript enabled browser. Apr 29 09:01:35 (I am pondering to sneak it into the next statusbarclock release) Apr 29 09:22:32 nomis: SVG would be too slow Apr 29 09:22:47 not if we had acceleration..... Apr 29 09:23:09 yep, then not Apr 29 09:24:08 AStorm: it is implemented in C, using cairo. Apr 29 09:24:19 (the bahnhofsuhr on the N810) Apr 29 09:24:21 unaccelerated Cairo Apr 29 09:24:25 which is still slow Apr 29 09:24:27 ;> Apr 29 09:24:44 true, it updates once a minute, which is fast enough :) Apr 29 09:24:46 AStorm: I don't think he wants to do 100FPS ;) Apr 29 09:25:09 yep Apr 29 09:25:16 but CPU usage is still important Apr 29 09:25:23 more CPU used = less battery Apr 29 09:25:32 AStorm: but rest assured that I also have an openGL implementation with a smoothly animated seconds indicator, which is fast enough on my desktop in fullscreen mode :) Apr 29 09:26:15 nomis: I mean, create PNGs out of it, will be faster :-) Apr 29 09:26:19 for N, of course Apr 29 09:26:40 AStorm: huh? On the N810 there is no problem interactively resizing the thing. Apr 29 09:30:32 better yet, make an animated gif Apr 29 09:30:41 just loop it and start it on a certain frame Apr 29 09:30:59 nomis: no *problem*, but more CPU usage. Got it? :) Apr 29 09:31:30 AStorm: I somehow doubt that storing 1440 PNGs would make the user happy :) Apr 29 09:31:43 that's why an animated gif is better Apr 29 09:31:44 :> Apr 29 09:31:52 Actually... Apr 29 09:32:01 I'd love APNG though, if it worked. Apr 29 09:32:20 (or MNG) Apr 29 09:32:22 AStorm: it wouldn't solve the resizing problem though... :) Apr 29 09:32:24 * RST38h imagines a generic OS2008 applet that accesses a web server once an hour, downloads n SVG and renders it with transparent background Apr 29 09:32:48 As long as you update rarely, this should work like a charm Apr 29 09:34:16 RST38h: something along the lines of the tableteer info thing= Apr 29 09:34:17 ? Apr 29 09:34:34 (should be pretty easy actually) Apr 29 09:34:47 (assuming that librsvg is on the device) Apr 29 09:35:19 RST38h: evil? Apr 29 09:35:26 and you'd need the connection Apr 29 09:35:47 but still, why not ;P Apr 29 09:44:26 ssvb: hello Apr 29 09:44:43 the problem with mpayer is introduced or aggravated by -vo xv Apr 29 09:44:48 *mplayer Apr 29 09:45:02 -vo omapfb is very fast Apr 29 09:45:47 (although has some problems with window switching) Apr 29 09:51:31 AStorm: see http://www.muru.com/linux/n8x0/ ? Apr 29 09:52:02 later Apr 29 10:01:06 AStorm: yes, I know about this Apr 29 10:01:45 AStorm: slowness of XV is one of the reasons why omapfb output driver was developed :) Apr 29 10:02:03 so kick canola devs to use omapfb Apr 29 10:03:15 trickie: blah blah, blah Apr 29 10:03:19 nothing I don't know Apr 29 10:03:39 AStorm: they tried it, but it showed a lot more artefacts to the point that it was unacceptable Apr 29 10:04:23 it does, yes Apr 29 10:04:29 ssvb: how are Nokia at accepting kernel patches - you had one pending for Mplayer didn't you? Apr 29 10:04:47 something wrong about color keying Apr 29 10:04:53 maybe it doesn't do that at all? Apr 29 10:05:18 and it's bad at switching to other windows, deinits ugly Apr 29 10:06:04 ssvb: I've worked out why the N800 won't share the framebuffer; it accurately reports the size of the framebuffer (needs lots of small page size TLBs) whereas the 770 lies and says its framebuffer is 0x100000 in size which only needs one page & TLB Apr 29 10:09:17 AStorm: yes, but he is the linux-omap maintainer, so good that he is pushing to get n8x0 support up to date Apr 29 10:14:02 lardman: why nokia has to accept kernel patches? Apr 29 10:14:33 lardman: I would rather send patches to proper maintainers instead of nokia. but not with current work ;D Apr 29 10:15:43 hrw: agreed, but to make being able to share the framebuffer useful for most people, Nokia would need to use the patch Apr 29 10:17:10 if it were accepted then that's fine, but I don't know when we'll get a new kernel, and even then I need to see how much of the bits I'm using are in the maemo-specific patches rather than mainline Apr 29 11:46:08 quick, somebody file an rfe: http://xkcd.com/416/ Apr 29 11:53:04 http://xkcd.com/407/ Apr 29 11:53:06 ehehehehe Apr 29 11:54:32 Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic n810 and said: "By the power of Greyskull" HE-MAN! "I have a GPS Lock!" Apr 29 11:54:43 lcuk: hi Apr 29 11:54:56 btw. check what gpsd version you have installed? Apr 29 11:55:53 hi kot :) i went and got a drink last night and got heavily sidetracked. feeling any better today Apr 29 11:56:17 not yet, i woke up after 3h of sleep Apr 29 11:56:24 im not sure, my gps aint that bad - i barely use it so ill wait for diablo Apr 29 11:56:32 :) Apr 29 11:56:32 not good Apr 29 11:56:39 just check Apr 29 11:56:40 :) Apr 29 11:56:41 i managed to fill my internal memory last night Apr 29 11:56:52 i couldnt install x11-dev until some serious surgery Apr 29 11:57:28 ssvb, is xv video slower than it should be? i have found it faster than anything else available Apr 29 11:57:44 or is this just for the older models Apr 29 11:58:48 KotCzarny, take a look at this and please tell me theres a simpler way.. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18751&highlight=mmc+boot Apr 29 12:01:57 i think the guy is talkative :> Apr 29 12:02:36 morning Apr 29 12:02:52 quick question, is there a way to remove multiple packages at the same time with dpkg ? Apr 29 12:03:10 so do i, and if ppl with n810 follow instructions it doesnt work (especially since he directs them to mmc2 Apr 29 12:03:13 atarii: yes, just list them on the same line Apr 29 12:03:16 Atarii: just list the package there? Apr 29 12:03:37 can i not do like help-file-local-* ? Apr 29 12:03:52 lcuk: that dependswhere do you want to clone to Apr 29 12:04:00 its such a pain to type out all the long names Apr 29 12:04:14 i have a shiny 1gb card inserted into mmc1 Apr 29 12:04:28 i just want the whole lot to be usable as main filesystem Apr 29 12:04:53 lcuk: should do, just change all the references to the proper device Apr 29 12:06:17 he title lies though - its like the instructions to update vista sp1. long Apr 29 12:06:30 t^ Apr 29 12:06:36 :) Apr 29 12:07:40 "simple" instructions are doable easily by the missus. long drawn out multiple reboot instructions are not simple ;) Apr 29 12:08:35 1/ prepare your perfect os, 2/ configure&install fanoush's initfs (boot menu), 3/ partition sd card, 4/ clone fs (script or manual), 5/ reboot Apr 29 12:08:42 now, that's simple, right? Apr 29 12:08:43 :) Apr 29 12:09:46 erm, multiple reboot? Apr 29 12:09:50 only one is required :) Apr 29 12:10:06 yes :P but each step takes up 3 sides of a4 and involves ferrying around :P Apr 29 12:10:47 lcuk: it's for the people that weren't able to run script :) Apr 29 12:11:53 but im not gonna run a script because i saw no way to specify the devices etc - i would have to do it manually lest i dualboot to my internal card (which kinda defeats the purpose) Apr 29 12:12:09 ? Apr 29 12:12:16 nope Apr 29 12:12:25 that's point 2 in my instruction Apr 29 12:12:26 :) Apr 29 12:13:07 and for point 4 you can use my script Apr 29 12:13:07 :) Apr 29 12:14:24 lcuk2: xv is slower than direct access to framebuffer and is slower than it should be, 'planar yv12' -> 'omapfb yuv420' color conversion code from it is inefficient Apr 29 12:16:02 hmmmm ssvb, so i could go even faster... interesting, i thought the xv shm planar memory i used was the same planaar memory omapfb uses. i shall investigate Apr 29 12:17:21 lcuk2: omapfb does not use planar memory, it has 2 kind of packed yuv formats Apr 29 12:17:22 heh, planaar reminds me of fantasy genre Apr 29 12:17:24 :) Apr 29 12:18:13 lcuk2: YUY2 and YUV420 (which is not YUV420 you can find information in the internet, that's a bit confusing) Apr 29 12:18:19 ssvb, yer ive seen the format descriptions - that surprised me though Apr 29 12:19:53 lcuk2: Xomap does conversion from planar YUV to packed YUV in software, you can see this code in 'omap_copy_yuv420' function Apr 29 12:20:16 lcuk2: this function can be implemented better Apr 29 12:20:59 yer, ill have a look later on (vnc at the moment from work) Apr 29 12:21:27 but if i can remove an entire block of copying then its even faster Apr 29 12:26:16 * lcuk2 now just wants to get home to test and poke around Apr 29 12:26:24 :) Apr 29 12:26:34 get yourself a second nokia Apr 29 12:26:39 n800 for example Apr 29 12:26:52 second hand will do Apr 29 12:26:53 :> Apr 29 12:26:58 lcuk2: Hotel booked already? Apr 29 12:27:03 i will eventually, but for now its enough to know something else is happening Apr 29 12:27:18 i am sure i was doing omapfb with planar stuff Apr 29 12:27:58 not booked i just needed to confirm some details re travel dates Apr 29 12:28:25 X-Fade_, you sorted? Apr 29 12:28:33 lcuk2: Yep Apr 29 12:28:47 wicked - how long you staying for Apr 29 12:29:19 lcuk2: I'll arrive on wednesday and will leave on friday.. Apr 29 12:30:08 Quim suggested dinner and beers after the talks. Let's see if that can be arranged :) Apr 29 12:30:28 cool, ill send mail later and finalize my plans Apr 29 12:30:33 Or the other way around probably.. Apr 29 12:30:44 i think there is an arranged dinner on thursday night Apr 29 12:30:58 linuxtag speakers etc Apr 29 12:31:19 needs discussing properly so everyone gets a chance to speak up Apr 29 12:31:28 right, must go dinner over Apr 29 12:31:42 back later, and thx ssvb, you have given me something to ponder about Apr 29 12:31:48 speak later kot Apr 29 12:31:54 k k Apr 29 12:32:01 i should get some sleep Apr 29 12:32:03 * lcuk2 falls off, cya x Apr 29 12:32:08 Later.. Apr 29 12:32:08 -fade Apr 29 12:32:50 http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png Apr 29 12:32:51 lol Apr 29 12:47:52 morning Apr 29 12:58:33 wb Apr 29 13:03:36 AStorm, did you get your battery charged enough? Apr 29 13:03:49 yes, fully Apr 29 13:03:53 great Apr 29 13:04:01 I'll try kernel later today Apr 29 13:09:49 What is the story about the max resolution of video's can't is be 800x480? Apr 29 13:09:54 (mpeg) Apr 29 13:10:19 you can, but at lower fps Apr 29 13:10:19 :) Apr 29 13:10:42 like how many? Apr 29 13:10:50 20-30? Apr 29 13:11:02 way to much , I only need a few Apr 29 13:11:02 20 or less, I'd think Apr 29 13:11:04 anyone here using off-line wikipedia? Apr 29 13:11:48 fysa, I was gonna try the sdictviewer version soon Apr 29 13:11:55 need to free up some space... Apr 29 13:12:15 trying to download the sdict torrent now, but it seems the only seeds don't have proper ports open or something Apr 29 13:12:32 1 week eta ;) Apr 29 13:13:28 keesj, it's a problem of a slow CPU and also the bus between the video chipset and LCD controller is slow Apr 29 13:13:44 the other method seemed like a bit of a hassle -- and too heavy. (lighthttpd + http://localhost:3000/wiki/) Apr 29 13:15:37 maybe if you used swap or launched lighthttpd from inetd, or something? Apr 29 13:16:22 well, lighthttpd is .. light. but the 'solution' becomes heavy. having to give 100mb of RAM to microb Apr 29 13:16:32 :> Apr 29 13:16:36 true Apr 29 13:16:38 when I'm not even online ;) Apr 29 13:16:41 or links2 browser Apr 29 13:16:55 OTOH, sdictviewer is a pretty great little app Apr 29 13:17:39 http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3997207/enwiki-2007-01-04_wiki.dct Apr 29 13:23:32 ssvb: well, omapfb doesn't reinit if mplayer regains focus Apr 29 13:40:44 well, conservative cpufreq is better than ondemand Apr 29 13:40:58 (even tuned ondemand) Apr 29 13:43:46 pffff Apr 29 13:44:05 ondemand will always be better ... specially for battery Apr 29 13:46:20 AStorm: could you clarify? how did you reproduce it? Apr 29 13:46:33 AStorm: was it poweroff dialog? Apr 29 13:46:42 ssvb: notg related to mplayer Apr 29 13:46:48 in many apps Apr 29 13:47:01 with ondemand, I get rare random skips Apr 29 13:47:14 (even when threshold is increased) Apr 29 13:47:26 AStorm: I was asking about regaining focus Apr 29 13:49:48 ah, that just try a few times Apr 29 13:50:00 sometimes you'll get a black screen Apr 29 13:50:13 eswp. often if video is paused Apr 29 13:50:29 it tends to come back after some more switches Apr 29 13:50:38 ofc. with omapfb Apr 29 13:55:49 it has an artifact if something else also tries to paint (e.g. home menu) Apr 29 14:13:55 does anybody is able to tell me if pygtk on the n810 supports svg manipulation ? Apr 29 14:24:57 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3123 we can now do fb output from the DSP on the N8x0 as well as the 770 Apr 29 14:26:00 whoo hoo Apr 29 14:26:01 :) Apr 29 14:26:05 nice one :) Apr 29 14:26:25 thanks for sending me the kernel source when the repo was down :) Apr 29 14:26:48 np, glad it helped :) for something as good as this :) thanks Apr 29 14:27:28 lardman: Nice! Apr 29 14:27:30 ssvb: I didn't get round to trying the mplayer YUV output stuff, but will do some now that I've got that little problem sorted Apr 29 14:27:55 * qwerty12 is off to download Ubuntu Hardy and OpenSUSE and reformat. If I can get hardy to play nice with sbox, I'll use that. If not, OpenSUSE time. Apr 29 14:34:12 I dumped Ubuntu after a short try yesterday Apr 29 14:35:23 OpenSuse worked out of the box and nice with my dualhead, ubuntu stubbornly insisted to use a cloned setup (instead of an expanded one) and provided no gui to fix that. Not easy enough for my gf ;) Apr 29 14:35:24 reinstall Hardy again? =) Apr 29 14:35:53 I don't mind it, I thought 7.10 was great for scratchbox, worked out of the box with it but I'm really peed off with 8.04. I applied the two fixes for sbox under hardy but some packages still will not install and if I ignore it, I get compile errors and "sbox is not properly set up" when I log out and log in again Apr 29 14:35:55 blafasel: ever heard about xrandr command? Apr 29 14:36:01 RST38h, I'm trying it again :) Apr 29 14:36:10 But if it fails, I'm grabbing opensuse. Apr 29 14:36:57 well, girls can use cmd line too Apr 29 14:37:27 i know a few that can at least Apr 29 14:37:28 :) Apr 29 14:38:17 Blafasel: (Not trying to convince you to switch; Suse's not a bad system) There *is* a GUI for that... It's the display resolution changer Apr 29 14:39:30 i ve swith too ... no more ubuntu at home ... for debian ! Apr 29 14:39:54 i ve try gOS but ... they now use gnome and it s now based on ubuntu ... :( Apr 29 14:40:17 I quite like the idea of LinuxMint but its based on Ubuntu too. Apr 29 14:40:52 qwerty: OpenSUSE is even worse Apr 29 14:41:10 Wiped my MBR once Apr 29 14:41:24 RST38h: That *can* happen with any system Apr 29 14:41:42 ccooke: Still, SUSE was the only one with which it happened to me. Apr 29 14:41:51 >.<. But I've wiped my MBR so much, I keep a boot cd full of stuff on it. Some illegal, some not so illegal. Apr 29 14:41:53 dos was notorious in wiping partition table Apr 29 14:41:55 :> Apr 29 14:42:01 gOS was always based on Ubuntu Apr 29 14:42:18 Well, SUSE didn't completely wipe it, but rendered it unusable Apr 29 14:42:25 And uneditable with FDISK Apr 29 14:42:27 LinuxMint seems based on Debian Apr 29 14:42:37 MBRs being wiped isn't bad :p Apr 29 14:42:40 RST38h: ... that sounds like hardware failure Apr 29 14:42:51 So I had to boot from floppy and edit it by hand using some reeeally hacky tool Apr 29 14:42:58 that bad* Apr 29 14:43:08 ccooke: to me it sounds like screwed up installation script in SUSE Apr 29 14:43:24 RST38h: fdisk can recover (even if recovery means "replace with a blank one and start again") from a bad partition table Apr 29 14:43:40 is their some people using sqlite with python ... Apr 29 14:44:05 The thing is, I want Ubuntu to work, i'm reformatting with a clean install of Hardy but if it doesn't work, I'm going to OpenSUSE which seems very popular too. I'd like to try Debian but last stable was a year ago and I don't like unstable release. But saying that, new Debian is coming out. But except for the background, debian desktop looks boring :/ Apr 29 14:44:06 i looking for the datetime format that sqlite understand Apr 29 14:44:09 ccooke: SUSE set the secondary partition in a state where FDISK.EXE could not blank it Apr 29 14:44:22 i ve tryed datetime.datetime.now().isoformat() Apr 29 14:44:23 ah, *dos* fdisk Apr 29 14:44:25 sorry Apr 29 14:44:27 lol Apr 29 14:44:28 And could not use it either Apr 29 14:44:44 And to use *linux* fdisk you need a running copy of Linux, don't you? Apr 29 14:45:02 Which is kinda difficult if your HD has damaged MBR, right? Apr 29 14:45:07 RST38h: not really Apr 29 14:45:09 livecd Apr 29 14:45:10 :) Apr 29 14:45:12 or usb boot Apr 29 14:45:17 or second pc Apr 29 14:45:17 Laptop. No CD. Apr 29 14:45:27 pcmcia boot can do too Apr 29 14:45:33 you can get a shell on the installation media of every linux distro I've seen in ages Apr 29 14:45:33 network boot up : Apr 29 14:45:33 Actually, the solution was much simpler Apr 29 14:45:35 :) Apr 29 14:45:43 liveusb Apr 29 14:46:00 1. DOS floppy 2. manual MBR editor 3. Mix, boot, edit 4. Never touch SUSE again. Apr 29 14:46:12 btw. you can have linux on a floppy too Apr 29 14:46:13 :) Apr 29 14:46:27 I would rather not though... Apr 29 14:46:28 http://www.toms.net/rb/ Apr 29 14:46:34 why.. Apr 29 14:46:36 fits nicely Apr 29 14:46:37 :) Apr 29 14:46:44 gOS looks tacky :p Apr 29 14:46:44 'cause I just want thing to work and not to cause me problems Apr 29 14:47:06 i wouldn't trust anything created by fdisk.exe Apr 29 14:47:07 In fact, FreeBSD usually does just that - works, does not cause problems Apr 29 14:47:07 :) Apr 29 14:47:23 Ubuntu is pretty much the first Linux distro that does the same for me Apr 29 14:49:33 * qwerty12 is burning 8.10 now. I'm gonna remove my linux partitions, reinstall xp mbr and set xp to be active again and go through the Ubuntu install again. Apr 29 14:50:12 * KotCzarny installed slackware 8.0 long time ago Apr 29 14:50:21 then it's 'just working [tm]' Apr 29 14:50:22 :) Apr 29 14:50:32 * Navi needs to axe XP and resize his media partition Apr 29 14:50:41 with upgradepkg here and there of course Apr 29 14:50:54 Slackware, while not bad, seems too much for me. I can't be arsed to compile (I believe that's how it works?) Apr 29 14:50:58 axe media partition and resize xp Apr 29 14:51:13 qwerty: you're confusing it with gentoo Apr 29 14:51:14 :) Apr 29 14:51:38 Doh, thanks. I get my distros mixed up Apr 29 14:51:45 it's a binary distro Apr 29 14:52:03 sources are available too Apr 29 14:52:12 :) Apr 29 14:52:26 though, a lot of sllackers compile shtick, last i used it Apr 29 14:52:52 well, you usually compile if you hack something Apr 29 14:53:31 "Slackware's mascot - Tux with a pipe", I still think the idea of Ganja instead looks better. Apr 29 14:54:22 afair there wasn't any clarifications what's IN the pipe Apr 29 14:54:33 may be bubble gum as well Apr 29 14:54:41 and smoking kills Apr 29 14:54:48 be it tobacco or ganja Apr 29 14:55:50 Bubut someone called Arnim Sauerbier said "people use drugs to prevent death. people use drugs because death is inevitable" so what does it matter? :P Apr 29 14:56:40 ever been in pain? :P Apr 29 14:56:43 pain matters Apr 29 14:56:44 :) Apr 29 14:58:04 Well, I've never been in serious pain that makes me go to drugs but I did scrape my hand a lot smashing up and breaking my N-Gage with some sort of enlargened allen key. Damn, these Finnish love to make a strong product. Apr 29 14:58:29 :) Apr 29 14:58:49 anything is breakable Apr 29 14:59:29 Bye, I gtg to reformat :) Apr 29 14:59:32 :) Apr 29 15:21:58 hmm, did I ask this recently Apr 29 15:22:34 anyone happen to know if you can change modest's plaintext compose font to something decent instead of the ultra-wiry courier? Apr 29 15:22:52 gtkrc ? Apr 29 15:26:38 hello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0 but i can't find the library "libxslt" to use it, how can i proceed ? Apr 29 15:27:00 * sp3000 wouldn't know where to put it or what to put in it Apr 29 15:27:16 I suppose ~/.gtkrc is a decent guess for the first Apr 29 15:27:37 i think /home/user/.gtkrc-2.0 or something Apr 29 15:27:50 but more probably /usr/share/themes/ Apr 29 15:27:50 :) Apr 29 15:28:09 just write modest's author Apr 29 15:28:14 it will be simpler Apr 29 15:31:14 !summon djcb Apr 29 15:33:51 hm, that didn't work Apr 29 15:40:27 Hello :). I speak from a newly installed 8.10. Time to install fglrx to fix my brightness and try out scratchbox. Apr 29 15:41:09 or, I could just sneak in and replace the ttf :P Apr 29 15:41:53 Hey everyone Apr 29 15:42:19 I'm looking to pick up some storage for my N810, got any links ? (preferably 8GB microsd + micro-mini-sd adapter) Apr 29 15:42:25 (I'm in Europe btw) Apr 29 15:42:38 * sp3000 doesn't see references to anything but a sans in the theme rcs Apr 29 15:42:42 ebay.de ? Apr 29 15:43:01 bleh, I don't like buying consumer electronics off ebay Apr 29 15:43:27 some kind of craigslist local to your city? Apr 29 15:44:19 craigslist ? Apr 29 15:44:45 craigslist.org Apr 29 15:45:01 social board Apr 29 15:45:39 In UK, we have gumtree. Not exact but similar imo Apr 29 15:45:48 yeah Apr 29 15:46:23 that's the 'some kind of' in my suggestion Apr 29 15:46:24 :) Apr 29 15:46:31 i'm not looking to buy second hand Apr 29 15:46:41 you can buy new sometimes Apr 29 15:46:47 ok nevermind Apr 29 15:46:55 when people bought wrong size etc Apr 29 15:47:07 * sp3000 is annoyed Apr 29 15:47:39 sp3000: then just replace the font and see what happens Apr 29 15:47:40 :) Apr 29 15:48:57 global awesomeness, I imagine Apr 29 15:49:11 you don't like courier anyway Apr 29 15:49:12 :) Apr 29 15:49:43 i think you can do it in /etc/fonts/somewhere Apr 29 15:49:50 putting an alias to courier Apr 29 15:49:55 it should go on an extended vacation on the moon with comic, yes Apr 29 15:51:40 CrashandDie: just make sure you don't get a Sandisk micro to mini adaptor Apr 29 15:51:58 lardman, why not ? Apr 29 15:52:06 the shared hallucination (among not-really-monospace-using-people mostly I suppose) that it's some sort of reasonable monospace font is rather unfortunate Apr 29 15:52:16 they don't work; there's a bug on the maemo bugtracker for it Apr 29 15:53:26 * KotCzarny is used to 'fixed' Apr 29 15:53:27 ;) Apr 29 15:55:13 lardman, hmm... k Apr 29 15:56:11 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2672 Apr 29 15:56:14 hm, but these things have names embedded, no Apr 29 15:56:20 yes Apr 29 15:56:25 so replacing a file shouldn't actually help at all Apr 29 15:56:27 that's why i suggested /etc/fonts/ Apr 29 15:56:54 CrashandDie: Kingston adaptor works with my Sandisk micro SD but the Sandisk adaptor doesn't, for example Apr 29 15:57:18 lardman, ok, good to know Apr 29 15:57:57 lardman, you wouldn't know where I could get that kingston adaptor ? Apr 29 15:58:19 From Jamaica? ;P Apr 29 15:58:44 china Apr 29 15:58:45 :) Apr 29 15:58:48 CrashandDie: I had to buy another card Apr 29 15:59:22 Hehe, I'd have a great time in China "diverting" shipments.. Apr 29 15:59:31 Some people report success with adaptors bought on ebay, so you could give that a go, but ymmv Apr 29 16:00:16 he hates getting off ebay Apr 29 16:00:18 :) Apr 29 16:01:01 cu chaps Apr 29 16:01:16 hi Apr 29 16:03:24 Hi Apr 29 16:03:33 I made my first NP level :) Apr 29 16:04:36 dneary: like, new level? or just playing the game? Apr 29 16:06:04 KotCzarny: design Apr 29 16:06:09 nice Apr 29 16:06:24 is there an editor? Apr 29 16:06:48 on the N810, you just hit "e" Apr 29 16:07:04 heh.. Apr 29 16:07:13 will it work with osk too? Apr 29 16:07:14 :) Apr 29 16:07:40 don't know Apr 29 16:09:46 KotCzarny: oh, victory Apr 29 16:09:52 thanks for the pointers Apr 29 16:09:56 np Apr 29 16:10:10 courier be dead ? Apr 29 16:10:25 * sp3000 commented out the NewCourier elements in conf.d/40-* and 60-* so it prefers the next in line Apr 29 16:10:37 one of the edits is probably unnecessary Apr 29 16:10:49 someone has put the Android fonts on the N800 Apr 29 16:10:55 which are supposed to be nice Apr 29 16:10:57 and reordering would probably be more correct Apr 29 16:11:24 but I'll iterate next time Apr 29 16:11:27 or adding 39-sp3000-something? Apr 29 16:11:29 :) Apr 29 16:12:00 hey, that level of correctness approaches packageability Apr 29 16:12:09 careful Apr 29 16:12:10 :) Apr 29 16:12:31 group hating? Apr 29 16:13:06 hm, thnk that's the way the priority goes, and not overriding in later files in order? Apr 29 16:13:13 http://www.typophile.com/node/39036 Apr 29 16:13:13 * sp3000 has no idea Apr 29 16:13:17 don't know Apr 29 16:13:18 really Apr 29 16:13:20 :) Apr 29 16:13:26 I don't know if that's it. Apr 29 16:13:27 then 41-sp3000 Apr 29 16:13:55 or >60, depending on which one the useful fix is Apr 29 16:14:24 99-local-sp3000 then Apr 29 16:14:26 :) Apr 29 16:16:41 Hmmm Apr 29 16:16:49 Can't figure out how to find those levels now Apr 29 16:16:53 Ok, packages for CHINOOK_ARMEL are downloading. If I have no problems, Ubuntu it is :). If I do, OpenSUSE download time. I've downloaded sbox 20 times in total. I'm not gonna keep trying for Ubuntu. Apr 29 16:17:03 Hey all Apr 29 16:17:42 hey Apr 29 16:18:30 OS2008 is very nice, but certain things are slow. Apr 29 16:18:47 wb Paulius Apr 29 16:18:57 I'll get beardrop installed and will try optimizing it Apr 29 16:19:09 that's just cruel :p Apr 29 16:19:11 i.e.: removing services and trying the few kernel tricks that post recommended. Apr 29 16:19:18 dropbear perhaps? :) Apr 29 16:19:24 bear droppings.. augh Apr 29 16:19:29 lol Apr 29 16:19:31 right right Apr 29 16:19:35 sounds military Apr 29 16:19:38 and installing them anywhere? Apr 29 16:19:39 operation beardrop Apr 29 16:19:42 aughaugh Apr 29 16:19:58 lol Apr 29 16:20:03 more like diversion Apr 29 16:20:30 hmmm Apr 29 16:20:33 can't find it on maemo Apr 29 16:20:42 install ssh-server Apr 29 16:20:47 ah Apr 29 16:21:05 or simply install ssh meta package Apr 29 16:21:27 openssh is better than dropbear imho. Only advantage of dropbear is that bootmenu (if you use it) doesn't need to keep generating ssh keys. Apr 29 16:21:41 but it also uses less RAM. Apr 29 16:22:03 but doesn't drop bears Apr 29 16:22:21 on unsuspected tableteers Apr 29 16:22:26 where are my bears? Apr 29 16:22:31 *unsuspecting Apr 29 16:22:35 Where you left them? Apr 29 16:22:41 i can't bear life without them! Apr 29 16:22:42 ask google Apr 29 16:22:42 MangoFusion, they were dropped Apr 29 16:22:50 now Apr 29 16:22:53 here's your bear Apr 29 16:23:11 dropped? dropped?! But i paid good money for them! They'll never be the same again!! Apr 29 16:23:19 what's the maemo dist name for the Febuary 2008 OS distribution? Apr 29 16:23:22 ;) Apr 29 16:24:05 chinook, OS2008, maemo 4.0.1 Apr 29 16:24:11 51-3 Apr 29 16:24:16 thanks Apr 29 16:24:19 lots of names, really :) Apr 29 16:24:29 POS, PITA etc Apr 29 16:24:36 and what magic do I need to perform to get root access on it? Apr 29 16:24:43 w00t!, SDK installed fine on a clean install of hardy :) Apr 29 16:24:52 hillct, grab easyroot from http://nitapps.com Apr 29 16:24:55 hillct: install ssh-server Apr 29 16:25:12 ~easyroot Apr 29 16:25:25 thanks. the root scripty thing keeps changing Apr 29 16:25:29 or at least it seems to Apr 29 16:25:39 becomeroot still works I think Apr 29 16:25:56 yeah, that's the one I used last time around Apr 29 16:26:00 infobot, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com Apr 29 16:26:01 johnx: okay Apr 29 16:26:19 good call Apr 29 16:27:05 as I recall, the packaged version of becomeroot was dist specific, but the script itself works Apr 29 16:27:56 I'd recommend easyroot anyway. It can work in the same way as becomeroot plus have a shortcut "root", which sets proper environment for root user profile. Apr 29 16:28:13 qwerty: it worked? Apr 29 16:28:23 third time was the magic? =) Apr 29 16:28:31 hello all, i would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0 but i can't find the library "libxslt" to use it, how can i proceed ? Apr 29 16:28:33 RST38h, yes :). Nope, reformat :) Apr 29 16:29:01 Thanks for your help with SB2 but I think SB1 is more for me. Apr 29 16:29:25 * KotCzarny likes sb1 too Apr 29 16:29:44 * johnx should setup sb2 again Apr 29 16:29:58 Now I can get back to what I do best, make crappy ports :P Apr 29 16:30:19 I think SB1 and SB2 conflict with each other, I've never managed to get both installed at same time. Apr 29 16:30:34 I like SMB1 Apr 29 16:30:48 qwerty12, I wouldn't doubt it Apr 29 16:31:21 I prefer SMB3 Apr 29 16:31:28 johnx, true. I assumed they wouldn't because afaik they use different dirs. Apr 29 16:32:11 I don't assume anything when it comes to computers anymore Apr 29 16:32:45 10 years ago, I assumed win95 would actually work with my computer's hardware since it came installed on the $%*# thing...hah Apr 29 16:32:55 lol Apr 29 16:33:00 lol Apr 29 16:33:53 * johnx was so glad to see isa pnp die Apr 29 16:34:01 johnx: FYI aparently the .install file extension on nitapps.com is served with the wrong mime type Apr 29 16:34:11 thigns have changed in 10 years. people who buy computers today dont expect vista to work :p Apr 29 16:34:22 hillct, yeah. I think I remember that happening Apr 29 16:34:38 johnx: I take it it's not your box Apr 29 16:35:29 nope Apr 29 16:36:13 heh...right now my webhost is auto-spamming me to tell me I'm almost at my bandwidth quota Apr 29 16:36:30 outsource? Apr 29 16:36:45 my mail reading? I like that idea Apr 29 16:37:08 "hey kid, I'll giva ya a shiney nickel to read my email to me" Apr 29 16:37:09 anyone know of (c)fdisk for tablet? Apr 29 16:37:19 sfdisk Apr 29 16:37:29 or just use it via usb Apr 29 16:37:33 will work too Apr 29 16:37:35 sfdisk is more painful than fdisk Apr 29 16:37:47 thanks Apr 29 16:37:53 johnx: depends on the task Apr 29 16:37:54 fdisk is installed by default though Apr 29 16:37:56 and experience Apr 29 16:38:06 is it? Apr 29 16:38:12 hmm Apr 29 16:38:15 I thought it was O_o Apr 29 16:38:18 * johnx checks Apr 29 16:38:29 sfdisk is installed by default Apr 29 16:38:30 ah, guess not Apr 29 16:38:33 not sure about fdisk Apr 29 16:38:33 :) Apr 29 16:38:34 ah, ok Apr 29 16:38:47 cfdisk needs some dependencies Apr 29 16:38:50 too many OSes on too many handheld ARM devices Apr 29 16:39:01 KotCzarny, be a man and compile them :p Apr 29 16:39:16 qwerty: and who would like to install all of them? :P Apr 29 16:39:26 and i have heard you have working sbox :P Apr 29 16:39:41 >.<, you got me there :D :) Apr 29 16:40:31 easyroot is very nice. no file editing etc... Apr 29 16:40:35 I'd like to set up sbrsh but my router is a POS. I really need to chip out for a new one... Apr 29 16:41:05 your router doesn't route? doesn't even switch? Apr 29 16:41:23 what's the point of having a router if it doesn't route ? Apr 29 16:41:53 door stop? paper weight? foot warmer? Apr 29 16:41:57 Naw, it doesn't like SSH. Firewall is set up fine. I log in via ssh and it stays there forever :/ Apr 29 16:42:13 wut ? Apr 29 16:42:23 maybe some idle tcp killer Apr 29 16:42:26 I doubt that's due to the router, honestly Apr 29 16:42:38 or just short connection timeout Apr 29 16:42:43 I dunno, it works fine over USB. Apr 29 16:42:53 Ports are forwarded correctly. Apr 29 16:42:58 or some active p2p users in da hauz Apr 29 16:43:06 Linux and Windows host both crap out :P Apr 29 16:43:12 qwerty12, you don't need to forward ports on local network Apr 29 16:43:18 KotCzarny, usually but not today :p Apr 29 16:43:38 CrashandDie, true but I did it for correctness as it isn't working for me already. Apr 29 16:44:01 qwerty12, just to ensure there's no possible way it can work? Apr 29 16:44:18 johnx, got it in one. I@ Apr 29 16:44:27 s/I@/I'm sure it's router. Apr 29 16:44:53 qwerty12, tried changing the ports ? Apr 29 16:45:10 we used to do that at a comp repair shop. Customer would bring in something they thought was broken, we'd tazer it and RMA it for them. :) Apr 29 16:45:34 qwerty12, instead of listening on port 22, get it to listen on port 80 ? Apr 29 16:45:38 qwerty12, or whatever is available Apr 29 16:45:48 CrashandDie, I haven't come think of it. I wasn't and still not sure on the hows so I'd read up on it. Thanks :) Apr 29 16:45:58 johnx, placebo effect? :) Apr 29 16:46:10 qwerty12, also, try certificate-based auth instead of password Apr 29 16:46:23 also, nmap Apr 29 16:46:28 and ssh -vvv Apr 29 16:46:34 CrashandDie, I did set up certs with same problem. Apr 29 16:46:40 plus, certificate based auth is so much easier in the end Apr 29 16:47:24 http://www.koreus.com/jeu/12many.html <-- over 400 this game is way too hard :/ Apr 29 16:47:26 and a good guide on how networking works :) Apr 29 16:47:38 johnx, now now, don't be mean Apr 29 16:47:55 johnx, how is debian going ? Apr 29 16:48:21 hey, we all need a refresher on the basics from time to time. Sometimes I still find I have assumptions that are just totally off the wall Apr 29 16:48:38 -o tcp_keepalive could help too Apr 29 16:48:41 I was on hiatus from Debian for a couple months, but I've been trying to dig back into it recently Apr 29 16:48:46 if it's tcp timeout on the router Apr 29 16:49:35 I'm gonna get a new webhost and try and put out a release that has working keyboard for N810 and N800 w/ usb keyboard Apr 29 16:49:38 Hmm, conntrack timeout is 30 seconds. Low or high? Apr 29 16:49:56 low i think Apr 29 16:50:09 penguinbait did a neat "boot from sd" .deb that I should try and copy :) Apr 29 16:50:11 in linux it defaults to 432000 i think Apr 29 16:50:21 Ah, thanks. It was "optimised" for p2p :/ Apr 29 16:50:37 432000 seconds sounds a bit high :? Apr 29 16:51:28 qwerty12, it is for a router with small amounts of RAM Apr 29 16:51:31 anyway, I dropped the idea of getting a new sd card Apr 29 16:51:44 CrashandDie, really? why? Apr 29 16:52:00 well, I'm moving to the UK, so I don't really need the expense Apr 29 16:52:04 johnx, this one for sure. Thanks, I'll set it to something like 3 mins. Apr 29 16:52:16 3mins is too low Apr 29 16:52:26 I think mine is at 30 min to an hour or so Apr 29 16:52:34 just try that tcpkeepalive option in ssh Apr 29 16:52:41 and it depends on *which conntrack timeout* you're talking about Apr 29 16:52:42 and even though it's only about 80euro, well, bleh, the hell Apr 29 16:52:54 johnx, tcp Apr 29 16:52:56 I'll wait for the 16 or 32gig Apr 29 16:52:56 80euros?! Apr 29 16:53:03 ow Apr 29 16:53:11 or buy n800 Apr 29 16:53:12 :> Apr 29 16:53:30 aaah, you have an N810 so you're stuck with microsd? Apr 29 16:53:38 yeah Apr 29 16:53:46 2GB normal SD cards are getting close to free... Apr 29 16:53:47 CrashandDie, make it fast coming to England. £ cheaper = € :p Apr 29 16:54:00 qwerty12, I'll be there in about 3 months time ;) Apr 29 16:54:10 Cool :) Apr 29 16:54:22 btw, does anybody know the rules and regulations about importing a bike to the UK ? Apr 29 16:54:52 driving on the left would kill you... Apr 29 16:54:53 :) Apr 29 16:55:17 nha, I think I'll handle that Apr 29 16:55:47 but I mean like, taxes or check ups and stuff ? Apr 29 16:57:27 because I really love this bike :) Apr 29 16:57:40 * johnx misses his bike :( Apr 29 16:57:43 And I'd be pretty pissed if I had to sell it in order to get a new one Apr 29 16:57:50 johnx, what did you have ? Apr 29 16:58:07 just a basic trek with front shock...I just mis *having* a bike Apr 29 16:58:14 oh, and I'm guessing that by your silence, you have no idea about how I would go about converting my french driving licence into a UK one ? Apr 29 16:58:30 CrashandDie, It isn't EU license? Apr 29 16:58:45 Because now, you get given EU driving card now afaik Apr 29 16:58:47 is anyone here actually in the UK? Apr 29 16:59:03 I am but at 15, i've never bothered to check this stuff out. Apr 29 16:59:30 qwerty12, I dunno, I have the old license, never seen a new one here Apr 29 17:00:01 qwerty12, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^ Apr 29 17:00:18 Ah. If you get here, best place is to ask at the post office. Apr 29 17:00:22 CrashandDie, nope :p Apr 29 17:00:35 I can't ride a bike, some physical weirdness. Apr 29 17:00:46 qwerty12, sorry, wrong nick ^^ Apr 29 17:00:56 johnx, lol... you were talking about a regular bike ^^ Apr 29 17:01:52 my N800. "installing clit" :/ Apr 29 17:02:00 I bs you not. Apr 29 17:02:11 yeah, I know. convert-lit Apr 29 17:02:24 I know, I just think it sounds funny :P Apr 29 17:02:33 CrashandDie, yeah...just a bicycle, but it's too expensive to get it shipped :/ Apr 29 17:02:36 clit mice could be nice to have at times :P Apr 29 17:03:03 http://xkcd.com/243/ :D Apr 29 17:03:18 lol Apr 29 17:03:53 heh Apr 29 17:03:54 haha Apr 29 17:05:04 I really liked those. I don't understand why they're so unpopular and instead sub-notebooks have tiny, crappy touchpads Apr 29 17:05:19 * qwerty12 didn't like them Apr 29 17:05:53 johnx, clit mice were basically glorified joysticks Apr 29 17:05:54 johnx: patents methinks Apr 29 17:05:55 * KotCzarny loves clits Apr 29 17:06:01 lol Apr 29 17:06:06 well I guess that answers that. We don't have them anymore because qwerty12 didn't like them. :P Apr 29 17:06:17 hmm Apr 29 17:06:30 now, if we reverse that sentence... "a glorified joy stick is a clit" Apr 29 17:06:35 of course, east london mafia held guns to the manufacturers :p Apr 29 17:06:42 rhymes too Apr 29 17:06:44 :) Apr 29 17:13:38 I'm BACK!! Apr 29 17:13:53 Ello Apr 29 17:13:59 hi Apr 29 17:14:05 * Mousey waves Apr 29 17:14:07 * KotCzarny suggests mousey to do /nick BACK Apr 29 17:14:11 first thing I'll do after setting up devel env is porting rtorrent Apr 29 17:14:20 *the* torrent client Apr 29 17:14:34 AStorm, any better than ctorrent or Transmission? Apr 29 17:14:35 * Mousey enjoys abusing /wallchan Apr 29 17:14:43 qwerty12: much better Apr 29 17:14:52 alternatively, port Deluge Apr 29 17:14:58 Ah Apr 29 17:15:17 which uses the same library (a fork actually, but synced) Apr 29 17:15:34 I'd like to see Aleph One. I'll have a go sometime but I'm really rubbish. hint hint ;) Apr 29 17:15:36 KotCzarny: of will you do that? :) Apr 29 17:15:53 should be like 2 deps Apr 29 17:16:02 like now? Apr 29 17:16:04 please port svn/devel if you can Apr 29 17:16:07 yep Apr 29 17:16:12 i'm barely awake Apr 29 17:16:20 I'll try if you want. Apr 29 17:16:31 and qwerty has working sbox Apr 29 17:16:39 :) Apr 29 17:16:50 qwerty12: :) Apr 29 17:16:57 Deluge would be nicer ofc Apr 29 17:17:07 Go on then :). http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ - this rtorrent? :) Apr 29 17:17:13 yep Apr 29 17:17:45 Deluge is like rtorrent with non-ncurses UI :) Apr 29 17:18:18 I'm quite bad at GUI apps :/. I'll try rtorrent first :) Apr 29 17:18:27 I've downloaded trunk which is 1 week old. Apr 29 17:19:54 qwerty12: it's in PyGTK Apr 29 17:20:03 qwerty12: good Apr 29 17:20:38 you need libtorrent ofc Apr 29 17:21:12 Yeah, I'm compiling that. But I wish they used tar instead of zip, I'm sorting out permissions atm Apr 29 17:22:28 uhm, use svn? Apr 29 17:22:58 Yeah, but I've gone and sorted them out now :). I'll use svn on the rtorrent. Apr 29 17:28:38 Sigh, libtorrent compile is slow and I've only got 5/10 mins left. Apr 29 17:33:42 Ok, I've made a quick deb of libtorrent. I'm compiling rtorrent now. Apr 29 17:42:28 AStorm, here's libtorrent and rtorrent. I haven't tested and it was a quick package up so use dpkg -i to install it. Dependencies should be ok as I only have official maemo repos in scratchbox atm (extras, chinook and extras-devel) Apr 29 17:42:29 http://www.mediafire.com/?emc0mday9tz Apr 29 17:43:21 Bye. Apr 29 17:43:37 might be a nice one http://www.transmissionbt.com/ Apr 29 17:43:51 oh my god, I have a genius ideas Apr 29 17:43:53 *idea Apr 29 17:44:01 You know these people who hack their linksys routers? Apr 29 17:44:08 * johnx raises his hand Apr 29 17:44:18 Well, they have a hack to put in more RAM. They just solder a 32MB chip instead of the 16MB chip. Apr 29 17:44:26 Maybe the same is possible with the Internet tablets. Apr 29 17:44:50 By the way, zeenix is working on tracker based upnp server that would run nicely on routers. Apr 29 17:44:50 maybe, we'd need a really dedicated hardware guy to look at it Apr 29 17:44:59 also the board is probably denser on the NITs Apr 29 17:45:10 obviously. Apr 29 17:45:23 But unless it's DDR2, it's not using an FCPGA solder method. Apr 29 17:45:31 It's quite easy to unsolder and resolder. Apr 29 17:45:49 ah, so you're the dedicated hardware guy we need to have do this :D Apr 29 17:45:52 And no it wouldn't be easy. Would need to get a quite high-density RAM chip. Apr 29 17:46:12 huh, tar.gz$ Apr 29 17:46:15 ? Apr 29 17:46:28 512 / 8 = 64MB per chip Apr 29 17:46:35 that would be for 512MB laptop RAM. Apr 29 17:46:49 And something tells me that it's not that high density. Apr 29 17:47:12 it's mostly applicable to the 770 owners I would think. The N800/N810 isn't quite RAM starved enough that many people would be interested Apr 29 17:47:25 yup Apr 29 17:47:28 Well I'm a 770 owner and OS2008 is too friggin slow. Apr 29 17:47:40 I think I'll be getting an N810 when the prices drop. Apr 29 17:47:44 I got my 770 for $150. Apr 29 17:47:56 Now that I know Nokia's profit margins, I really don't want to spend $500 or so on this thing Apr 29 17:48:02 We'd be more interested ib a second SD slot mod Apr 29 17:48:16 AStorm: 770 uses MCC Apr 29 17:48:21 Or is it MSS Apr 29 17:48:31 or maybe it was WTF or ROTFLMAO Apr 29 17:48:38 RS-MMC? Apr 29 17:48:41 right Apr 29 17:48:41 :p Apr 29 17:48:52 or a micro-sd in a cut up piece of plastic :) Apr 29 17:49:07 Had no idea that that was possible. Apr 29 17:49:21 ITT has all the juicy info Apr 29 17:49:23 <_V_> uaarrgh Apr 29 17:49:37 <_V_> my 8GB A-Data die Apr 29 17:49:45 <_V_> (while on my n800...) Apr 29 17:50:01 _V_, that sucks. Is it completely dead? or just some fs corruption? Apr 29 17:50:03 heh Apr 29 17:50:06 That'll teach you not to use cheap Sd cards. Apr 29 17:50:15 or flash cards Apr 29 17:50:16 <_V_> my pc doesn't "see" it at all Apr 29 17:50:35 _V_, are you still using an old version of OS2007? Apr 29 17:50:43 <_V_> no, os2008 Apr 29 17:50:44 sandisk, kingston... Apr 29 17:50:46 Is OS2007HE faster than 2008? Apr 29 17:50:56 Paulius, at least a little Apr 29 17:50:57 <_V_> my OS was installed on that card :-( Apr 29 17:51:11 well that really sucks Apr 29 17:51:14 johnx: The show stopper for me is the lack of sound, actually. Apr 29 17:51:22 <_V_> AStorm: a-data isn't ok ? Apr 29 17:51:28 _V_: heh, what fs? Apr 29 17:51:35 <_V_> ext2 Apr 29 17:51:37 AStorm, I've had nothing but bad luck with sandisk Apr 29 17:51:40 fail Apr 29 17:52:05 ext* kill first blocks of the device :P Apr 29 17:52:06 OS2008 is faster at some things than 2006... Apr 29 17:52:08 But no sound :-( Apr 29 17:52:22 johnx: and I haven't Apr 29 17:52:24 had anyone got sound working on it? Apr 29 17:52:29 <_V_> AStorm: so which fs ? Apr 29 17:52:31 <_V_> fat ? Apr 29 17:52:45 _V_: well, FAT or btrfs Apr 29 17:52:50 No idea. I presumed sound worked. Apr 29 17:52:54 It's weird because it KINDA works. Apr 29 17:52:56 but you can't use FAT for / Apr 29 17:53:02 When I close a window or bootup there's sound. Apr 29 17:53:03 maybe jffs2 Apr 29 17:53:12 AStorm, I wouldn't jump to blaming ext2 for this card's death... Apr 29 17:53:13 But none from applications (ex: sound settings, mplayer, etc) Apr 29 17:53:30 default media player sound works Apr 29 17:53:34 and what does mplayer say from the CLI? Apr 29 17:53:36 johnx: well, I wouldn't too, but it isn't flash-friendly Apr 29 17:53:37 yeah> Apr 29 17:53:37 ? Apr 29 17:54:46 can jffs2 be used on a normal block device? Apr 29 17:55:17 wow media player does work Apr 29 17:55:21 but it's interface is laggy Apr 29 17:55:31 johnx: I think so Apr 29 17:55:43 it requires block layer on top of mmc Apr 29 17:55:49 uhm, mtd Apr 29 17:56:08 I was under the impression that it could only work on a plain NAND (or maybe NOR?) flash device Apr 29 17:56:22 why? Apr 29 17:56:27 dunno Apr 29 17:56:32 it works on block device level Apr 29 17:56:46 given that you can't even mount a jffs2 image without emulating a mtd device I think there's something special Apr 29 17:57:09 you can't? bummer Apr 29 17:57:24 although emulating mtd on mmc isn't hard Apr 29 17:57:43 there is a read-only SD driver already Apr 29 17:58:05 wow it does real media streaming? Apr 29 17:58:10 how about windows media streaming? Apr 29 17:58:32 yes, but no DRM Apr 29 17:58:38 YES! Apr 29 17:58:42 mplayer does these too Apr 29 17:58:46 :P Apr 29 17:58:54 real media it doesn't do Apr 29 17:59:02 yeah but mplayer doesn't work on os2008 Apr 29 17:59:11 heh, why? Apr 29 17:59:17 no idea Apr 29 17:59:22 ask os2008 Apr 29 17:59:38 maybe check /etc/mplayer/ Apr 29 17:59:49 there are a few settings Apr 29 18:00:17 mplayer is very verbose when run from an x terminal. it might be worth a look Apr 29 18:00:18 other application audio doesn't work aswell Apr 29 18:00:25 only media player default thingy Apr 29 18:01:49 yea its weird, on doom you can hear everythin expect when you fire :S Apr 29 18:02:41 except* Apr 29 18:02:45 windows media steaming doesn't work Apr 29 18:02:47 from the looks of it Apr 29 18:02:58 I sense codec problem. Apr 29 18:04:42 cp 2007he/codec/* 2008/codec/* Apr 29 18:09:40 770/OS2008HE users asking about sound in mplayer: hit this thread and search for mplayer: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16468&highlight=mplayer Apr 29 18:10:41 good luck, as I'm off to bed Apr 29 18:10:53 night Apr 29 18:10:58 'night qwerty12_N800 Apr 29 18:22:08 is it just me or does handwriting recognition on the n8x0 just suck rocks Apr 29 18:22:31 not really, i think it actually does a better job at recognising mine than my peers at university.. Apr 29 18:22:35 :P Apr 29 18:24:46 wonder what i'm doing wrong Apr 29 18:24:58 <_V_> what's the best, sandisk or kingston ? Apr 29 18:24:59 beyond having sloppy handwriting and high expectations Apr 29 18:29:24 Anyone know of some way to "sync" your firefox opened tabs from your desktop to bookmarks or something for the maemo browser? Could be useful to look at ones opened while on the train Apr 29 18:42:09 survey says...... Apr 29 18:42:13 n810 will arrive on Thursday :D Apr 29 18:42:17 cool Apr 29 18:42:27 im soooooo excited Apr 29 18:42:34 you better be Apr 29 18:50:20 Run to the shop now to buy a 8 gb mini/micro sd! Apr 29 18:50:36 * Mousey needs one Apr 29 18:51:36 meh, i ordered one of those at the same time Apr 29 18:51:45 ANd don't forget a micro»mine sd adapter ;) Apr 29 18:51:53 got that too Apr 29 18:52:12 * ralann has been doing his homework before buying Apr 29 18:53:28 whats the homework telling ya? Apr 29 18:53:47 I would buy micro Apr 29 18:54:25 penguinbait: that's what it told me too Apr 29 18:54:35 how do i programatically open a new e-mail message and attach a file on maemo (preferable python, but the shell command is also okay) Apr 29 18:55:03 anyway a mini card could not be found for a reasonable price at 8gb Apr 29 19:05:10 the problem i see with micro cards is that if i had more than one i'd lose the 2nd card because it is smaller than my pinky finger nail Apr 29 19:05:18 I just know if I buy a mini, the n900 will only take micro Apr 29 19:05:29 its just my luck Apr 29 19:05:39 yeah, i hear that Apr 29 19:05:39 I am learning, slowly Apr 29 19:08:31 Mousey, recognition was crap for me - i redefined L to be as i write it, then when i came to change t it told me i was too similar to L (the original L). so i completely disabled all variations of L and it STILL told me "t" looked like L Apr 29 19:08:35 i havent tried since Apr 29 19:10:06 I never use handwriting recognition on any platform, my writing is extremely bad. (I mean bad to the extreme) Apr 29 19:10:52 i was a badass at the palm graffiti Apr 29 19:11:07 but then my palm died about a month ago Apr 29 19:11:52 i really hated that thing, but i just couldn't buy anew device when that one still qurked just fine Apr 29 19:11:55 did it go hairy first? Apr 29 19:12:10 hah Apr 29 19:12:15 no Apr 29 19:12:27 ahhh then you must be blind Apr 29 19:12:34 deaf Apr 29 19:14:03 brb Apr 29 19:16:11 is there a tutorial that shows how to setup the os on the internal card and change all the boot loader info? Apr 29 19:16:40 ask penguinbait bout his deb :) Apr 29 19:18:44 can someone give me any url for a web radio? Apr 29 19:19:58 http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=4757&file=filename.pls Apr 29 19:20:08 thx Apr 29 19:20:15 np Apr 29 19:23:21 qwerty did you try it? Apr 29 19:24:03 adam_ I made a deb to setup the whole process Apr 29 19:24:19 penguinbait, i haven't yet, my sd card has problems with sd boot but I will do in a few weeks :) Apr 29 19:24:40 I want to get it all hammered out before next OS release Apr 29 19:25:00 best used after a fresh flash Apr 29 19:25:07 you have the least to lose :) Apr 29 19:26:02 I'm currently recovering after a fresh flash :p. got the backup and apps restored :) Apr 29 19:27:40 But i'm unsure if my sd slots are messed up or if it is unsupported sd high speed mode that is giving me i/o errors. Apr 29 19:28:00 photo casts on canola...does it work with flickr, photobucket? Apr 29 19:28:12 nvm Apr 29 19:28:13 hello :o Apr 29 19:28:16 found a rss button Apr 29 19:28:28 ImMelody, hi Apr 29 19:29:00 I have done a baaaaaaa~d thing.. I built a computer for my 4 yr old :( Apr 29 19:29:00 Cptnodegard, photocasts in canola work with flickr, picasa Apr 29 19:29:15 never tested with photobucket Apr 29 19:29:47 ImMelody, linux + gcompris and you are done :p Apr 29 19:30:11 But how do you turn the speakers off? :P Apr 29 19:30:32 Or should I rephrase.. How do you keep the child from turning the speakers back on and putting the volume at max XD Apr 29 19:31:19 I had wanted to do linux, but my husband convinced me that windows would be better for him because he has a thomas DOS game he really enjoys Apr 29 19:31:24 connect the speaker to itself, the small subwoofer nearly fell on my foot... bad idea :p Apr 29 19:31:44 disable sound card :p Apr 29 19:33:30 It's all these silly toddler websites.. all the instructions and links are sound Apr 29 19:35:17 Ah, if your son hasn't heard about volume control panel, put down wave volume and if he has, go into sound control panel and untick tray option :p Apr 29 19:37:16 Will be doing that.. Apr 29 19:47:41 * konttori has finished first version of wiimote Apr 29 19:47:53 if anyone is interested in trying it out, let me know. Apr 29 19:48:16 what do I need to make it work? Apr 29 19:48:58 Install python Apr 29 19:48:58 peripheral wise Apr 29 19:49:03 a wii controller and python Apr 29 19:49:11 kk Apr 29 19:49:27 I'd like to try it out Apr 29 19:49:38 So, you launch the app. It asks you to push 1+2 on your wiimote. Boom. done. Apr 29 19:49:57 Ok. I'll put it to ukmp garage page for now. Apr 29 19:51:26 Done Apr 29 19:51:27 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3980/wiicontrol-1.0_all.deb Apr 29 19:51:50 I was just testing doom with it and it's a blast Apr 29 19:51:58 Also, ukmp works pretty well with it Apr 29 19:52:21 och, a proper doom control :o Apr 29 19:52:25 It has two configurations: portrait and landscape. The landscape is really for gaming and the portrait is for general use Apr 29 19:52:54 It also is really nice for the bomberman. Apr 29 19:53:13 button 1 is space and button 2 is enter (in gaming mode). Apr 29 19:53:31 Anyway, I'll try to get it user editable in the nearish future. Apr 29 19:54:01 Tomorrow we have Vappu in finland, which translates to mandatory 2 day drunkness and 3rd to recover period. Apr 29 19:54:25 man, i need to buy a wii controller. not a wii itself though. Apr 29 19:54:54 konttori, knock yourself out ;P Apr 29 19:55:00 Sure will! Apr 29 19:55:02 thanks! Apr 29 19:55:09 hehe Apr 29 19:55:16 Anyway, I'll try to work on the accelerometer stuff a bit on the weekend Apr 29 19:55:37 Lean the mote to strafe would rock. Apr 29 19:56:39 anyway, ImMelody , were you able to try it out? Apr 29 19:56:53 If anyone else has the time, I would appreciate feedback. Apr 29 19:57:07 If it seems good enough for now, I'll then post it to internettablettalk Apr 29 19:59:06 re Apr 29 20:01:59 grabbing now, give me a sec for it to install Apr 29 20:09:24 konttori, common sense says to have bluetooth on but if you don't before running, it crashes :/ Apr 29 20:09:40 make it run dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:discoverable ? Apr 29 20:09:44 THanks! Apr 29 20:09:49 I'm having trouble getting the wiimote to do anything after one or two commands Apr 29 20:10:11 Hmm... So, does the mote still have lights on? Apr 29 20:10:28 yep Apr 29 20:10:40 and moving it does bring the light back up, but doesn't do much action Apr 29 20:10:52 Well, click on the portrait mode. Apr 29 20:11:01 press A to see if it still works. Apr 29 20:11:19 Now, I've been testing this only on diablo, so there may be some differences in teh BT stack. Apr 29 20:11:40 gimme bluez debs :p Apr 29 20:11:41 thanks qwerty12_N800 . I'll check that dbus message Apr 29 20:12:13 ;) You'll get those sooner or later. Apr 29 20:12:37 konttori, np :), i copied it from switchonbt :p. if bluetooth is already on, it does nothing :) Apr 29 20:13:06 I got it to bring up the home screen, but can't replicate it Apr 29 20:13:25 in either landscape or portrait mode Apr 29 20:13:54 Pressing B+any button brings alt action. Apr 29 20:14:15 So, you probably pressed it and some other key at the same time. Lemme see the code which you pressed Apr 29 20:14:17 not getting anything happening Apr 29 20:14:23 oki Apr 29 20:15:15 http://pastebin.com/m4a10e86a Apr 29 20:16:07 so I killed it? Apr 29 20:17:16 qwerty12_N800: So, do I basically run that string as command line executable Apr 29 20:17:32 yes, i did it in xterm Apr 29 20:17:51 okay...now it's working :D Apr 29 20:18:23 not sure how in python but whatever exec method to run external progs is used should work :) Apr 29 20:18:44 except... I got it working and closed out the program, lol Apr 29 20:19:09 uh-oh.. I crashed it :o Apr 29 20:21:02 how view colors in xterm ? Apr 29 20:21:14 you can also use dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:connectable if you want the n8*0 to be hidden Apr 29 20:21:23 qwerty12_N800: Worked Apr 29 20:21:32 cool :) Apr 29 20:21:32 I'm now building a new deb. Apr 29 20:22:52 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3981/wiicontrol-1.0_all.deb Apr 29 20:22:58 Same link, but new deb Apr 29 20:23:47 ImMelody: When you close the app, you need to then once click on the wiimote to severe the connection Apr 29 20:24:13 I wasn't able to figure out a nice way to interrupt the listener thread. Apr 29 20:24:21 I'll try to work on that later on. Apr 29 20:24:46 there is a kThread available, but I'd rather do it the nice way if possible Apr 29 20:24:57 kThread stands for killable Thread Apr 29 20:25:20 hrm..what happens if your wii is on when you try to run this app? Apr 29 20:25:29 i think i need one. my browser is hung. my cpu is really high :/ Apr 29 20:25:37 kthread that is Apr 29 20:26:55 hi Apr 29 20:26:57 sera Apr 29 20:27:57 ImMelody: Nothing. Apr 29 20:28:46 It should work just fine. Apr 29 20:29:44 * konttori posted wiicontrol to internettablettalk: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176088#post176088 Apr 29 20:30:56 I'm setting up my device again before I flash it to my internal card. It says e2fsprogs is required and I'm about to apt-get it. Is ext2 the filesystem I really want to run though? would ext3 be better? Or should I be worried about the journaling taking up more space and write cycles? Apr 29 20:31:05 qwerty12_N800: I stand corrected Apr 29 20:31:36 konttori, how come? something wrong? Apr 29 20:32:11 Ah... sorry. I though you corrected that kthread is with lower case, not capital t Apr 29 20:32:22 thank GAWD! 5 min for maemo sdk download Apr 29 20:33:15 woodwizzle: I would take ext3. Apr 29 20:33:34 it's not too bad to have the journaling. even the default fs is journaled Apr 29 20:33:46 konttori, hehe it's 9:35 PM and I'm typing off an n800. night & n800 osk = bad typing. actually it's +2 in Finland right? Apr 29 20:34:03 it's 25 min to midninght Apr 29 20:34:18 so, yeah, +2 Apr 29 20:34:31 * konttori is about to retire to bed. Apr 29 20:34:32 Europeans :P Apr 29 20:34:56 In london, we set the time :p Apr 29 20:35:44 dont you dont Apr 29 20:35:47 in greenwitch there is actually the timeline and you can hop to either side of it. Nice for pictures Apr 29 20:35:51 some little village nearby does, you are just trying to be a gloryseeker :P Apr 29 20:35:52 In the US, we think we're the center of the universe. (j/k partially) Apr 29 20:36:56 konttori, I've been there :) Apr 29 20:37:04 lcuk: yea, i'm underwhelme Apr 29 20:37:05 d Apr 29 20:37:40 lcuk, greenwich a village? :p Apr 29 20:37:46 knottori doesn't ext2 and even more so ext3 take up a lot more write cycles than vfat? Apr 29 20:38:00 is there a way to sync the palm calandar with some calandar app in maemo (besides GarneVM's) Apr 29 20:38:12 konttori: woops spelled your name wrong =) Apr 29 20:38:16 they eat a bit, but not so much. And they are more reliable Apr 29 20:38:32 So, I would pick ext3. But then again, your mileage may vary Apr 29 20:38:38 * Mousey picked ext2 Apr 29 20:38:52 :O qwerty12_N800 i take it back Apr 29 20:39:04 wikipedia says its a district in london Apr 29 20:39:53 northern presumptions :p. just because all it is is villages in the north :p Apr 29 20:40:35 * lcuk begs forgiveness Apr 29 20:40:42 Most of london is really a network of villages that have grown to merge with each other. Apr 29 20:41:06 Can someone give me the technical definition of a village? Apr 29 20:41:19 i baby town Apr 29 20:41:21 a^ Apr 29 20:41:35 might ask in #freeciv Apr 29 20:42:12 hehe it's a little joke me and lcuk got because I'm from the north and I live in the south :p Apr 29 20:42:14 Well, are we talking about a population of 50? 100? 1000? I just want to make sure I have a clear picture in my head ;) Apr 29 20:43:23 hi .. i have 2008HE installed on my nokia 770 but its awfully slow. would it be alot smoother/faster to run 2007HE? Apr 29 20:43:31 like go back a "year" ? Apr 29 20:43:56 zakkkm, i would expect at least a little, 2008 is very new and most issues aren't ironed out yet Apr 29 20:44:25 hmm. microB has started crashing way too often. Apr 29 20:44:33 How big of a difference does it make to use ext 2 compared to ext3 in terms of the write cycles? Apr 29 20:44:35 at this point you haven't got anything to lose by going to '07, and a lot to gain. the '08 you have now is rough and '07 has age on its side Apr 29 20:44:42 Veggen, join the club :/ Apr 29 20:44:43 like how long would one last compared to the other Apr 29 20:45:11 mine just uses 2 hours to start Apr 29 20:45:13 microb Apr 29 20:45:20 and the rss reader too. Apr 29 20:45:31 * qwerty12_N800 needs to try fennec Apr 29 20:45:39 rss reader lives its own life Apr 29 20:46:15 lol Apr 29 20:46:21 rss reader is stable for me but I only have 5 feeds and few images Apr 29 20:46:25 so i should go back to 2007HE ? Apr 29 20:46:44 lcuk : i heard skype will work fine on it? is that true. i got it installed on the 2008HE but when i call i got a audio codec error Apr 29 20:46:59 will canola on my nokia 770 work on 2007HE? Apr 29 20:47:07 zakkkm, i dont know, i only have an 810 Apr 29 20:47:12 ah Apr 29 20:47:30 but you think it will help alot .. cause i like 2008HE UI but some stuff is way too slow Apr 29 20:47:43 like compared to 2006 .. but i dont wanna go back to that Apr 29 20:47:56 i i think it can't hurt to try and people have spent a lot longer trying to get 2007 working really well Apr 29 20:48:05 I have a odd impulse to downgrade my n800 to try out canola 1. Apr 29 20:48:27 haha thats smart. adding N800 to your name so people know what you have hah :D Apr 29 20:48:36 no, its what hes ON Apr 29 20:48:43 ^ Apr 29 20:48:57 your on irc on the n800 now? Apr 29 20:49:03 yep Apr 29 20:49:08 what app? Apr 29 20:49:12 xchat Apr 29 20:49:22 but it's for os2008 Apr 29 20:49:39 but maemo hackers have os2006 build Apr 29 20:50:36 you can also try irssi, weechat or bitchx. i compiled them in 2008sdk but they are console apps so :/ Apr 29 20:51:02 hehehe Apr 29 20:51:12 high 5 :p Apr 29 20:51:30 about to install linux on my desktop once again so i can ssh to it Apr 29 20:51:35 how do you do irssi without alt key? Apr 29 20:51:39 hey sorry i left Apr 29 20:51:43 zakkkm, i use ssh from windows Apr 29 20:51:56 ssh is just commandline isnt it? Apr 29 20:52:07 theres rdesktop on the nokia app manager? Apr 29 20:52:10 would that be better? Apr 29 20:52:13 yer, but coupled with winscp its nice Apr 29 20:52:23 winscp? Apr 29 20:52:37 file copying (over ssh i believe) Apr 29 20:52:39 i mean like the remote'd pc.. is just command line view isnt it? Apr 29 20:52:42 zakkkm, you can get irssi to run directly off tablet. Apr 29 20:52:59 zakkm, yer but ive got putty for that Apr 29 20:53:12 qwerty12 i use it for my actual pc alot .. but on 2006 edition ITOS .. it gave me a screen error Apr 29 20:53:18 and i couldnt find in app manager for 2008HE Apr 29 20:53:21 i added maemo extras Apr 29 20:53:39 lcuk would rdesktop run fine? Apr 29 20:54:12 i believe there is an app for it, but on 770 im not sure of the grunt Apr 29 20:54:12 rdesktop IPHERE Apr 29 20:54:19 yeah thats what i mean Apr 29 20:54:21 i saw it in app manager Apr 29 20:54:24 but how well would it run? Apr 29 20:54:36 does someone here have a package with sshfs or lftp? Apr 29 20:54:38 got a amd athlon x2 4400+ , 4gb ram downstairs? Apr 29 20:54:42 that i can rdesktop ? Apr 29 20:54:42 zakkkm, ah. there's an svn build of it by me on itt and also the latest stable build is available on itt Apr 29 20:54:59 qwerty12 mind sending me the deb? Apr 29 20:55:06 well linking me? Apr 29 20:55:09 AStorm, check solmumaha/ukki's fuse port on itt Apr 29 20:55:13 yap, I'm too lazy to set up NFS Apr 29 20:55:20 qwerty12_N800: yay Apr 29 20:55:30 zakkkm, I would do but my cpu is high :/ Apr 29 20:55:33 qwerty: where would i check for that Apr 29 20:55:52 what about lftp though? a good ftp/sftp/scp client would be great Apr 29 20:55:53 oh right your on your tablet.. sorry Apr 29 20:56:30 sshfs ftw! Apr 29 20:56:35 * KotCzarny collapses again Apr 29 20:56:42 is it possible to use 2008 skins in 2007HE? :D Apr 29 20:56:50 no Apr 29 20:56:53 i love the transparency part of 2008HE home :( Apr 29 20:56:56 AStorm, no idea, tried gronmayer? btw, did that rtorrent work? I ran it fine but didn't dl anything with it. Apr 29 20:57:01 * lcuk passes kot the tissues Apr 29 20:57:02 and the app starting omg!!?!?! i dont wanna go back Apr 29 20:57:11 oh right Apr 29 20:57:12 yeah.. my nose is runny as of today Apr 29 20:57:13 i should try that Apr 29 20:57:14 zakkkm, I want to do opposite :p Apr 29 20:57:16 it's some tar.gz Apr 29 20:57:26 upgrade to 2009 ? Apr 29 20:57:32 haven't checked yet Apr 29 20:57:37 oh Apr 29 20:57:39 you want 2007? Apr 29 20:57:47 AStorm, untar it for debs and install with dpkg Apr 29 20:57:48 ah Apr 29 20:57:53 mhm Apr 29 20:57:54 is there a webkit brwoser for 2008HE ? Apr 29 20:58:17 or 2007HE? Apr 29 20:58:21 zakkkm: someone was working on it Apr 29 20:58:32 no Apr 29 20:58:50 not even for real 2008 Apr 29 20:59:12 it differs for packages? Apr 29 21:00:25 qwerty12_N800: no lftp on gronmayer Apr 29 21:00:33 care to build it? :) Apr 29 21:00:47 should be quick and simple Apr 29 21:01:36 :> Apr 29 21:02:03 KotCzarny: or you :) Apr 29 21:02:11 would i flash to 2007 the same way i did 2006 to 2008 ? Apr 29 21:02:20 but with the 2007 bin? Apr 29 21:02:22 yup zakkkm Apr 29 21:02:22 yes, why not? Apr 29 21:02:29 cause its downgrading and not upgrading? Apr 29 21:02:31 you still havin problems with 2008he? Apr 29 21:02:33 just asking .. :( Apr 29 21:02:36 slow? Apr 29 21:02:47 really? Apr 29 21:02:50 well audio/.video playback . wont really work Apr 29 21:02:52 freezes everything Apr 29 21:03:01 but general slowness.. even removed that metalayer-crawler Apr 29 21:03:12 hmm Apr 29 21:03:23 trying rdesktop to my pc now :P Apr 29 21:03:33 try 2007he, but from my experience it was slower that 2008 Apr 29 21:03:54 but more works on it Apr 29 21:04:04 oh really Apr 29 21:04:18 KotCzarny: so, could you build lftp for me? Apr 29 21:04:23 2006 is fast but ugly.. not much programs ? well of what i tried Apr 29 21:04:24 hmm Apr 29 21:04:26 2007 - never tried Apr 29 21:04:32 or does ncftp know scp and sftp too? Apr 29 21:04:33 2008 - SOOO NICE LOOKING but relaly slow and audio/video problems Apr 29 21:04:39 video/audio playback works in 2007he as well as skype Apr 29 21:04:40 [00:04] • konttori just tested that the accelerometer is easy to get up and running. Apr 29 21:04:40 [00:04] konttori: However, more of a question is how to use it. Apr 29 21:04:40 [00:05] konttori: Mouse events, or to have a threshold to toggle key, ... e.g. for strafing in doom. Apr 29 21:04:41 i would have to turn on my sdk machine Apr 29 21:05:02 hey konttori long time Apr 29 21:05:12 yeah, well, been busy. Apr 29 21:05:14 konttori: my answer is - fix dasher and use it for typing Apr 29 21:05:17 :P Apr 29 21:05:18 astorm: why not sshfs? Apr 29 21:05:30 KotCzarny: that's for later Apr 29 21:05:36 it's easy Apr 29 21:05:38 and doesn't know ftp Apr 29 21:05:51 KotCzarny: info? (need fuse module) Apr 29 21:05:54 Atarii: if you have a wiimote, please try out the wiicontrol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176096#post176096 Apr 29 21:06:04 astorm: mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ Apr 29 21:06:05 :) Apr 29 21:06:33 im on 2008he, but ill give it a go Apr 29 21:06:44 oh and apps tend to freeze :( Apr 29 21:06:48 on 2008HE for me Apr 29 21:07:00 its worst on 2007he Apr 29 21:07:06 what size card you got zakkkm? Apr 29 21:07:10 64mb? Apr 29 21:07:15 the one that came with it Apr 29 21:07:17 KotCzarny: make a repo out of it :) Apr 29 21:07:21 you using a swap? Apr 29 21:07:24 32mb Apr 29 21:07:37 one day i will Apr 29 21:07:44 zakkkm: add more swap Apr 29 21:07:49 but for now it's my bins storage Apr 29 21:07:50 even still Apr 29 21:07:56 audio/video wont play right Apr 29 21:08:01 the 2007 themes have been backported to 2006 i think, so you could make 2006 look "prettier" Apr 29 21:08:03 hmm, new lightmediascanner Apr 29 21:08:10 what about 2008 themes? Apr 29 21:08:17 no like Apr 29 21:08:19 zakkkm you tried playing media with the built-in media player? Apr 29 21:08:20 the codecs are messed idk Apr 29 21:08:22 i tried like 4 players Apr 29 21:08:24 and mplayer Apr 29 21:08:34 the default one works for me Apr 29 21:08:38 it plays it Apr 29 21:08:38 do i need to partition my sdcard to put the OS on it? Apr 29 21:08:42 but it freezes the app Apr 29 21:08:46 so i cant pause or anything Apr 29 21:08:49 also wat version mplayer have you tried? Apr 29 21:08:52 then if i click something.. it goes into effect like a hour later Apr 29 21:08:54 woodwizzle: no Apr 29 21:09:01 you can use the whole device Apr 29 21:09:04 uhmm the one that came with canola? Apr 29 21:09:09 but you need some posix fs Apr 29 21:09:11 check the version Apr 29 21:09:23 mplayer --version is it? Apr 29 21:09:49 not sure, if not it will say in the application manager Apr 29 21:10:04 checkin. Apr 29 21:10:15 AStorm: what if I want to enable swap? Does that require a swap partition like regular linux? or does the virtual memory tool in the control panel handle all that? Apr 29 21:10:28 mplayer 1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0 Apr 29 21:10:44 its not mplayer though .. its the whole OS -.- Apr 29 21:10:45 woodwizzle: linux supports swap files since... long Apr 29 21:10:57 so, it IS like regular linux Apr 29 21:10:58 try to get the .24 version of mplayer Apr 29 21:11:01 virtual memory aka swap .. :D Apr 29 21:11:06 or .27 Apr 29 21:11:11 there were discusions here earlier that it was the fastest Apr 29 21:11:11 swap is virtual memory ;p Apr 29 21:11:18 yeah i remember Apr 29 21:11:23 all the benchmarks Apr 29 21:11:23 ;p Apr 29 21:11:26 AStorm: is it better to have the swap file in a seperate partition? Apr 29 21:11:40 why? Apr 29 21:12:02 konttori now going to try this wiicontrol Apr 29 21:12:08 i dunno, thats the way I've always done it =) Apr 29 21:12:10 Cool. Apr 29 21:12:12 the only important thing is that the swap file should better not be fragmented Apr 29 21:12:32 yeah rdesktop froze Apr 29 21:12:35 its the only thing running -.- Apr 29 21:12:40 what's a good gtk programming resource? Apr 29 21:12:41 The accelometer data is really easy to interpret. Apr 29 21:13:29 rdesktop over the internet or local network? Apr 29 21:13:32 AStorm: how else can you prevent the fragmentation? Apr 29 21:13:33 which is better 2007 or 2008 Apr 29 21:13:35 local internet Apr 29 21:13:39 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libreadline5-dev libgnutls-dev (>= 1.3.5-0) Apr 29 21:13:43 check whats running Apr 29 21:13:44 from under my keyboard.. to the pc in fornt of the keyboard Apr 29 21:13:44 zakkkm: I like 2008 better Apr 29 21:13:45 lol Apr 29 21:13:48 nothing is running Apr 29 21:13:51 i had rdesktop working flawlessly earlier Apr 29 21:13:52 astorm: gnutls? Apr 29 21:13:52 except maemo-launcher and xomap Apr 29 21:14:02 woodwizzle: im on 2008 .. its reallly really slow though Apr 29 21:14:06 woodwizzle: ext filesystem doesn't fragment on an empty partition Apr 29 21:14:09 E: Couldn't find package libreadline5-dev Apr 29 21:14:15 check via 'ps' Apr 29 21:14:18 KotCzarny: probably needed Apr 29 21:14:31 but it should work with openssl too Apr 29 21:14:41 zakkkm: Its not slow for me... maybe there is something else slowing you down Apr 29 21:15:00 tbh it sounds like metacrawler but you say you removed that? Apr 29 21:15:16 AStorm: Right, that would mean it would be better to run it on its own partition than right? Apr 29 21:15:29 no! Apr 29 21:15:37 woodwizzle: what nokia you got? Apr 29 21:15:41 argh, I hate stupid questions Apr 29 21:15:52 If I just run 1 partition and I start filling it up then the swap file can fragment Apr 29 21:15:59 no Apr 29 21:16:06 zakkkm: n800 Apr 29 21:16:13 yeah im on a nokia 770 -.- Apr 29 21:16:15 that's why you create the file first Apr 29 21:16:22 half the cpu i believe and ram too Apr 29 21:16:29 I mean, early Apr 29 21:16:31 Oh I getcha Apr 29 21:16:46 dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libncurses5-dev (>= 5.6) Apr 29 21:16:47 when there's a lot of continuous space Apr 29 21:16:50 libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. Apr 29 21:16:54 will 2008 skins work on 2007 ..sorry if i already asked Apr 29 21:16:55 doh. Apr 29 21:17:00 KotCzarny: wtf? should be in repos Apr 29 21:17:05 5.6 Apr 29 21:17:13 hmm Apr 29 21:17:31 5.4 for tablet Apr 29 21:17:31 dammit, build from source Apr 29 21:17:34 dont think so zakkkm Apr 29 21:17:41 ncurses? Apr 29 21:17:42 will work with 5.4 Apr 29 21:17:45 no Apr 29 21:17:51 fix the deps Apr 29 21:18:02 yeah, i will try it Apr 29 21:18:09 but there is always a reason Apr 29 21:18:28 yeah, like "I only tested it with 5.6" Apr 29 21:18:33 :P Apr 29 21:18:48 but I had Gentoo with 5.2 and lftp Apr 29 21:18:52 it will fail, i tell you :P Apr 29 21:18:59 it's readline deps Apr 29 21:19:01 uis it worth looking into a edited kernel for my nokia 770 ? Apr 29 21:19:05 hmm? Apr 29 21:19:08 lol Apr 29 21:19:21 why would it dep on that new curses? Apr 29 21:19:33 because i'm sucking from sid archive? Apr 29 21:19:34 ;) Apr 29 21:20:16 hehee Apr 29 21:21:36 3rd FIASCO image of the OS 2007 Hacker Edition for Nokia 770 Internet Tablets <--- sounds right? Apr 29 21:21:39 for my nokia 770 Apr 29 21:21:44 yup Apr 29 21:21:57 k Apr 29 21:21:59 12min to download :P Apr 29 21:22:27 konttori the python-2.5-runtime files are 'stuck' downloading :( Apr 29 21:22:28 would it be worth it dualbooting linux on my main ppl . .then ssh'ing it on-the-go? Apr 29 21:22:43 maybe Apr 29 21:22:54 cause i got nice audio/video collection on my pc Apr 29 21:23:01 but i only have a 64mb card? Apr 29 21:23:06 so remoting it would be nice Apr 29 21:23:13 ah yes Apr 29 21:23:16 buy a better card Apr 29 21:23:16 im in a city. theres wifi everywhere (Toronto, Canada ) Apr 29 21:23:24 no money Apr 29 21:23:27 i spent all on the nokia 770 Apr 29 21:23:28 and use sshfs or nfs Apr 29 21:23:31 Atarii: Shame Apr 29 21:23:33 or samba Apr 29 21:23:36 Damn! Apr 29 21:23:52 my highschool wifi is open and all Apr 29 21:24:03 so i thought maybe if i could connect to my home audio/video collection Apr 29 21:24:06 and like stream it somehow? Apr 29 21:24:11 to my nokia? Apr 29 21:24:59 and get your head on a pike? Apr 29 21:25:05 :p Apr 29 21:25:15 ok, readline compiled Apr 29 21:25:18 Also, lose a lot of battery life Apr 29 21:25:23 now what should i do about gnutls Apr 29 21:25:33 it would also probably run like ass over the net Apr 29 21:25:37 KotCzarny: isn't it openssl | gnutls? Apr 29 21:25:47 should be Apr 29 21:25:50 noope Apr 29 21:26:10 thnere's a use flag in GEnto Apr 29 21:26:21 not in debian i guess Apr 29 21:26:31 i will try commenting out Apr 29 21:26:32 damnit Apr 29 21:26:49 maybe it will pick up openssl anyway Apr 29 21:26:53 that one screw of the stand keeps unscrewing Apr 29 21:27:07 is orb any good? Apr 29 21:27:08 KotCzarny: should Apr 29 21:27:10 --without-ssl Apr 29 21:27:11 hehe Apr 29 21:27:13 in rules Apr 29 21:27:24 wtf? Apr 29 21:27:32 we need ssl Apr 29 21:27:37 i think they link specifically to gnutls Apr 29 21:27:45 nope Apr 29 21:28:00 there's with-openssl Apr 29 21:28:05 ok, let's see how it fares Apr 29 21:28:06 afaicr Apr 29 21:28:59 ok konttori i was going to try wiicontrol, but the status of my python files is "broken" Apr 29 21:29:25 * konttori got the accelometer to work quite nicely now for outputting keyevents. So, during the weekend, some nice additions to wiicontroller Apr 29 21:29:28 now.. to bed Apr 29 21:31:01 I gained +1 to screwing at night ;) Apr 29 21:31:22 did I read that wrong? Apr 29 21:31:31 probably Apr 29 21:31:42 yes, it's intended to be read wrong Apr 29 21:31:42 it's a geek chan Apr 29 21:32:30 heh, lftp is written in c++ Apr 29 21:32:36 it will take some time, he he Apr 29 21:32:50 hehe Apr 29 21:33:06 Argh, the tutorial I'm following is really designed for dual booting. I don't wanna do that. Is there a simple easy to follow howto for migrating the OS to an SD card? Apr 29 21:33:19 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 is the one I have been using Apr 29 21:33:24 btw, what should I do with that fuse_sshfs tarball? Apr 29 21:33:45 woodwizzle: thnere are on ITT Apr 29 21:34:26 astorm: unpack to / Apr 29 21:35:02 then insmod that fuse module and you are done Apr 29 21:35:03 KotCzarny: I don't trust you Apr 29 21:35:13 I'll list it first Apr 29 21:35:14 astorm: then compile it yourself Apr 29 21:35:17 :) Apr 29 21:35:17 :P Apr 29 21:35:24 any of you use something other than maemo on the tablet? Apr 29 21:35:35 Hi. My N800 has lost the "offline" button since my last reboot. Any idea how i can get it back? Apr 29 21:35:46 zakkkm: johnx is using debian Apr 29 21:36:05 blah: installed powermenu or something lately? Apr 29 21:36:20 KotCzarny: nothing at all Apr 29 21:36:25 hum Apr 29 21:36:27 would debian be faster on it? Apr 29 21:36:44 /usr/local? yuck ;) Apr 29 21:36:58 zakkkm: maybe, but has some issues to be resolved Apr 29 21:36:58 zakkkm: depends Apr 29 21:37:04 hey if the whole OS is on a rs-mmc .. would it run faster? Apr 29 21:37:05 yes, esp. wifi Apr 29 21:37:05 like power saving Apr 29 21:37:31 zakkkm: maybe, with 48Hz kernel Apr 29 21:37:34 power usage is done by cpu load mostly isnt it? Apr 29 21:37:43 but default card doesn't work there Apr 29 21:37:45 how would i get that kernel? wouldnt it help increase swap speed? Apr 29 21:37:54 o Apr 29 21:37:58 hmm, yep Apr 29 21:38:05 Fanoush site Apr 29 21:38:11 would it help for me? Apr 29 21:38:30 zakkkm, might be an idea to change your nickname to show you are on a 770 Apr 29 21:39:05 k Apr 29 21:39:24 ok i got 2007HE downloaded Apr 29 21:39:26 about to install Apr 29 21:39:50 oh Apr 29 21:39:54 needs full battery? Apr 29 21:39:58 mine is like so close to dead Apr 29 21:40:05 KotCzarny: now that I've fuse loaded Apr 29 21:40:13 zakkkm: yes, that's preferable when flashing Apr 29 21:40:18 how do I mount sshfs? Apr 29 21:40:32 zakkkm_n770: yes, charge it Apr 29 21:40:33 sshfs user@host:/dir /mount/point Apr 29 21:40:39 optionally -o allow_other Apr 29 21:40:39 KotCzarny: blah Apr 29 21:40:44 mhm Apr 29 21:40:54 does work as user? Apr 29 21:41:09 or do I have to add suid bits? Apr 29 21:41:12 if fusermount is suid Apr 29 21:41:12 k Apr 29 21:41:19 ok Apr 29 21:41:24 i was going to keep charging it while it installed 2007he -.;- Apr 29 21:41:57 zakkkm here are the custom kernels for when you get braver Apr 29 21:41:57 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Apr 29 21:42:12 blah, /ujsr/local/bin not in path :P Apr 29 21:42:31 mv Apr 29 21:42:32 :) Apr 29 21:42:38 naah Apr 29 21:42:48 vim ~/.bashrc Apr 29 21:43:02 the custom kernel's just seem to add support.. do they speed anything up though? Apr 29 21:43:21 ok Apr 29 21:43:24 lftp compiled Apr 29 21:43:31 it's in usual location Apr 29 21:43:58 the KotCzarny repo groweth :) Apr 29 21:44:10 heh Apr 29 21:44:22 i should do repo 'requests' Apr 29 21:44:23 :) Apr 29 21:44:32 can anyone tell where i can get .24 mplaeyr for 2007HE? Apr 29 21:44:32 and some automatic package building Apr 29 21:45:26 hibernation on my sdk machine: Compressed 13053952 bytes into 6233213 (52 percent compression). Apr 29 21:45:27 :) Apr 29 21:45:32 i need to unmouint my mmc1 card but it keeps saying its in use. I don't have any apps running except xterm and I'm not currently in the /media/mmc2 directory. What is using it and how can I kill it Apr 29 21:45:48 woodwizzle: fuser -v /media/mmc2 Apr 29 21:46:11 if i install linux on my pc.. can i access it on my nokia and stream music to my nokia speakers? Apr 29 21:47:08 maybe Apr 29 21:47:15 if you sort out your sound problem Apr 29 21:47:16 :) Apr 29 21:47:16 KotCzarny: maybe my ffuser is different, but it says-v is an unsupported option Apr 29 21:47:30 woodwizzle: then try without? Apr 29 21:47:47 should list pids that keep it open Apr 29 21:48:07 blah, no perms to /dev/fusee Apr 29 21:48:38 KotCzarny: comes up empty :( Apr 29 21:48:45 zakkkm_n770: yes, ITs have esd running Apr 29 21:48:47 then i can't help :) Apr 29 21:49:03 Astorm: would it run well ? Apr 29 21:49:20 woodwizzle: maybe some terminal window with cd into that dir? Apr 29 21:49:20 nice . .smooth;.. low cpu usage? Apr 29 21:49:46 jeez, i can't even umount -f /media/mmc2 Apr 29 21:50:10 woodwizzle, just pop the card out - wait for something to crash and you will find out what was hogging it :D Apr 29 21:50:25 and expect corruptions? Apr 29 21:50:26 :) Apr 29 21:50:42 zakkkm_n770: on LAN, yes Apr 29 21:51:08 woodwizzle: fuser -m /media/mmc2 Apr 29 21:51:11 not -v Apr 29 21:51:15 not LAN Apr 29 21:51:18 talking over wifi ? Apr 29 21:51:23 from my school .. connecting to my home pc Apr 29 21:51:24 zakkkm_n770: wifi,ok Apr 29 21:51:27 home pc runinng linux... Apr 29 21:51:31 but not over internet Apr 29 21:51:36 ? Apr 29 21:51:42 yes internet? Apr 29 21:51:45 wifi .. from school Apr 29 21:51:50 so its buffering/downloading? Apr 29 21:51:51 no, too slow Apr 29 21:51:55 zakkkm: maybe some winamp remote? Apr 29 21:51:56 :) Apr 29 21:51:58 for music? really? Apr 29 21:52:10 esd? it's streaming WAV Apr 29 21:52:11 i have the internet bandwidth for streaming Apr 29 21:52:14 so. Apr 29 21:52:23 mpd? Apr 29 21:52:24 no, you don't Apr 29 21:52:26 ah, i had virtual mem on Apr 29 21:52:39 straeming music? Apr 29 21:52:47 mpd doesn't stream that way Apr 29 21:52:47 music is like 1mb a minute for me? Apr 29 21:52:53 i can up like 100-150kb/s Apr 29 21:53:02 okay i need help upgrading to 2008 Apr 29 21:53:09 you could run some remote controlled icecast/shoutcast server Apr 29 21:53:16 tsukasa: what nokia? Apr 29 21:53:20 n800 Apr 29 21:53:23 ah Apr 29 21:53:26 why didnt it show in fuser then Apr 29 21:53:28 it didnt come with 2008? Apr 29 21:53:31 nope Apr 29 21:53:37 on windows? Apr 29 21:53:41 linux Apr 29 21:53:41 lcuk: because it's a kernel thread Apr 29 21:54:03 tsukasa you need the flasher-3.0 Apr 29 21:54:04 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ Apr 29 21:54:12 it says found device rx-34, nolo version whatever, version of 'sw-release' and dies Apr 29 21:54:13 fair enough, but if root asks what is on a device surely it should be told Apr 29 21:54:16 Atarii, i have it Apr 29 21:54:28 tsukasa: download the .bin Apr 29 21:54:35 zakkkm_n770, i have the .bin Apr 29 21:54:38 oh you have to for linux hah Apr 29 21:55:10 its more configurable on linux Apr 29 21:55:12 RX-34_2008_SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 29 21:55:18 is what im using Apr 29 21:55:27 what does --query-root-device do? Apr 29 21:55:34 astorm: get lftp package Apr 29 21:55:39 tsukasa: is 2007 any good? Apr 29 21:55:42 im about to install it Apr 29 21:55:42 KotCzarny: in a second Apr 29 21:55:48 i went from 2006 to 2008 and now to 2007 .. Apr 29 21:55:53 now getting sshfs to work Apr 29 21:56:02 zakkkm_n770, havent played with it much Apr 29 21:56:07 i want 2008 Apr 29 21:56:12 your love it :D Apr 29 21:56:17 i love it .. but its too slow on the nokia 770 Apr 29 21:56:20 needed an ld.so.conf tweak :) Apr 29 21:59:16 ok, let's download xp sp3 Apr 29 21:59:17 :> Apr 29 21:59:30 ew xp Apr 29 21:59:33 lol Apr 29 22:00:03 ok so i may have forcefully removed some help packages i shouldnt have. Is there anyway to get them back? or just a reflash? Apr 29 22:00:18 atarii: reinstall Apr 29 22:00:27 i mean the packages Apr 29 22:00:43 hey just curious Apr 29 22:00:49 damn small linux .. is a 50mb linux distro right Apr 29 22:00:53 can i run it on maemo ?:P Apr 29 22:00:54 sshfs sure is eating cpu Apr 29 22:00:56 i mean my nokia Apr 29 22:00:59 for routers Apr 29 22:01:05 zakkkm_n770: no Apr 29 22:01:16 i mean if i recompile for ARM ? Apr 29 22:01:22 it's not built for ARM Apr 29 22:01:37 zakkkm_n770: that's not trivial Apr 29 22:01:44 :( Apr 29 22:02:02 but if it was compiled for ARM would it work? Apr 29 22:02:32 somewhat Apr 29 22:02:48 it'd need adaptations Apr 29 22:02:56 like dsme and bme Apr 29 22:03:07 and some wifi driver work :P Apr 29 22:03:34 http://pupnik.de/Das_Wimmin.jpg european women ++ Apr 29 22:03:45 they're fat? Apr 29 22:04:43 they dont look at you? Apr 29 22:05:29 i hope they're not too smart Apr 29 22:05:46 is there a UFO behinf that tree? :S Apr 29 22:05:52 behind* Apr 29 22:06:01 http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Smarter_Women_Have_Worse_Sex Apr 29 22:06:08 you mean the streetlamp? Apr 29 22:06:15 Atarii: no, a terrier in a red outfit Apr 29 22:06:21 it's all in the brain Apr 29 22:06:44 no at the very top of teh tree Apr 29 22:06:45 that's not a space heater? Apr 29 22:06:51 and some friction too, but it's all in the brain Apr 29 22:06:57 pupnik, no, at the very top - look to left of lamppost and up Apr 29 22:07:06 * sp3000 doesn't want friction on his brain Apr 29 22:07:11 HA! Apr 29 22:07:16 how'd that get u there?! Apr 29 22:07:20 the red thing? dunno - something caught in the tree Apr 29 22:07:26 looks like a traffic cone Apr 29 22:07:30 looks kinda like a wizards hat Apr 29 22:07:42 must be windy Apr 29 22:07:44 kids rainbow balloon Apr 29 22:07:48 you guys are sad to not be appreciatin the sharp dressed woman Apr 29 22:07:52 or birds Apr 29 22:08:02 pup, shes looking away and fully dressed Apr 29 22:08:08 we need something to focus on ;) Apr 29 22:08:09 lol Apr 29 22:08:13 no face Apr 29 22:08:23 you don't have any proof it IS a woman Apr 29 22:08:24 yeah but hair Apr 29 22:08:24 :) Apr 29 22:08:27 it's a traffic cone! Apr 29 22:08:32 lol Apr 29 22:08:34 and a frikkin winter coat :P Apr 29 22:08:34 she's looking at it too i bet Apr 29 22:08:47 bah. Apr 29 22:09:02 want me to find pics of men that looks like a women? Apr 29 22:09:05 do traffic cones in trees very often in europe? it's very odd to see one randomly up there Apr 29 22:09:11 KotCzarny: rule 34 Apr 29 22:09:13 with hair and coats? Apr 29 22:09:17 mousey: cone Apr 29 22:10:07 hmm why is that one repo disabled by default for 2008he? Apr 29 22:10:30 because it contains not nokia approved software Apr 29 22:11:05 thats annoying, because it means that backup cant re-download the packages automatically Apr 29 22:11:12 yup Apr 29 22:11:21 i think there's a bug filled for that Apr 29 22:14:43 KotCzarny: testing lftp now Apr 29 22:15:50 works fine :) Apr 29 22:16:10 excellent Apr 29 22:18:44 can you use script to automate ftp transfer with lftp> Apr 29 22:18:48 ?* Apr 29 22:19:23 yes Apr 29 22:19:36 but it has mirroring built in Apr 29 22:19:43 and wildcards Apr 29 22:21:07 where do I get ogg-support 0.7? Apr 29 22:21:32 for new lms-ogg Apr 29 22:24:50 is it possible to get 2008HE image viwer in 2007HE ? Apr 29 22:24:53 the default one Apr 29 22:24:56 i really liked it :( Apr 29 22:25:07 the fullscren .. left and right arrows and all Apr 29 22:25:41 get canola and forget about that Apr 29 22:25:44 :P Apr 29 22:25:54 canola on the 2007HE? Apr 29 22:27:03 is there? 2007 HE? Apr 29 22:27:10 canola on it? Apr 29 22:27:38 should be a package Apr 29 22:27:45 from repo ? or net? Apr 29 22:27:49 the one for OS2007 might work Apr 29 22:28:01 yes Apr 29 22:28:28 dang someone wants me to do something Apr 29 22:28:29 ill check later Apr 29 22:28:33 thanks Apr 29 22:29:15 ok, more win coming Apr 29 22:29:29 ogg-support 0.7 and real lms support Apr 29 22:29:39 and no libvorbis0a Apr 29 22:48:43 argh. Apr 29 22:48:52 hmm? Apr 29 22:48:54 gi tract sensations Apr 29 22:49:10 yay, on antibiotics? Apr 29 22:49:16 nope Apr 29 22:49:24 flu? Apr 29 22:49:33 who knows Apr 29 22:50:13 hehe Apr 29 22:50:27 deadly E. Coli variant ;) Apr 29 22:50:31 messy death Apr 29 22:50:34 you bet not Apr 29 22:50:42 who would compile packages for you then :P Apr 29 22:50:51 myself, but later Apr 29 22:51:02 wishful thinking Apr 29 22:51:03 :) Apr 29 22:51:08 but I wish you that *NOT* Apr 29 22:51:17 heh, why? :P Apr 29 22:51:57 seeing that you still haven't installed it Apr 29 22:51:58 :) Apr 29 22:53:55 KotCzarny: soon, in the long weekend Apr 29 22:53:57 btw Apr 29 22:54:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli_O157:H7 Apr 29 22:54:02 :P Apr 29 22:54:09 repo will be down then :P Apr 29 22:55:47 KotCzarny: naah Apr 29 22:55:58 they're not that deadly Apr 29 22:56:09 happened before Apr 29 22:56:13 can happen again Apr 29 22:56:14 :) Apr 29 23:01:55 need to write canola xchat irc spam script Apr 29 23:02:05 :) Apr 29 23:03:43 United Abominations++ Apr 29 23:03:49 where would i find the repo list and url's for 2007HE? Apr 29 23:05:13 might be hard Apr 29 23:08:03 ? Apr 29 23:15:08 whats minimo 0.2 ? Apr 29 23:16:13 * smackpotato googles minimo Apr 29 23:16:53 i remember now Apr 29 23:17:59 it was a browser some brasillian guy put together. it worked good but didn't download files Apr 29 23:18:12 i dont downlaod on it? Apr 29 23:18:18 would it be better than the default then? Apr 29 23:18:21 i dont download on browser Apr 29 23:18:27 just surf Apr 29 23:18:49 i am now booting from the internal memory card, however .. the tutorial i used told me to make a 400mb VFAT partition which isn't used. :( Why did I need to do that? Also how do I set up virtual memory now, the virtual memory tab doesn't think I have an internal memory card so it won't let me make virtual memory Apr 29 23:19:00 its kind ofv fun to check these thing ouut Apr 29 23:19:14 i know i been doing that for days Apr 29 23:19:18 random stuff on the nokia Apr 29 23:19:24 but now i really have to make it uhmm well stable in a way Apr 29 23:19:30 and stick to it Apr 29 23:21:28 make sure u have the latest os Apr 29 23:23:00 i have 2007HE Apr 29 23:24:13 i don't wanna haev a unused partition if its not needed. I could fit a lot of mp3s in those 400megabytes Apr 29 23:25:44 zakkmm this script prevents some crashes but also slows things down Apr 29 23:25:48 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seatbelt/ Apr 29 23:26:26 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/ is the part of the tutorial I ran that told me to mk the vfat partition. Anyone know if it was necessary? Apr 29 23:27:10 nope Apr 29 23:27:13 but useful Apr 29 23:27:14 :) Apr 29 23:27:28 KotCzarny: useful for what? Apr 29 23:27:46 some apps are hardcoded for using it Apr 29 23:27:59 ah Apr 29 23:28:05 and windows compatibility Apr 29 23:28:05 :) Apr 29 23:28:16 i don't run windows Apr 29 23:28:33 i might not run those apps too =) Apr 29 23:28:34 then it doesn't matter Apr 29 23:28:49 do you know what apps require it? Apr 29 23:29:05 hmm Apr 29 23:31:14 app manager in os2008 uses the card for apt cache by default Apr 29 23:31:42 probably previous versions do as well Apr 29 23:32:39 ah Apr 29 23:33:36 :( that makes me unhappy because i use the app manager Apr 29 23:33:50 it should work though Apr 29 23:34:04 because you will have enough space Apr 29 23:34:10 oh good Apr 29 23:34:12 I'm sold Apr 29 23:34:23 gotta repartition and flash though :( Apr 29 23:34:26 thanks! Apr 29 23:34:33 otherwise one wouldn't be able to install anything on n800 without any card :) Apr 29 23:35:48 i noticed that maemo mapper hogs memory when tracking is enabled which probably crashes it in the end Apr 29 23:36:02 yup Apr 29 23:36:09 oom is ruthless Apr 29 23:36:10 :) Apr 29 23:36:18 oom-killer Apr 29 23:36:27 two hours worth of data took around 40MB of memory iirc Apr 29 23:37:12 what about setting the virtual memory? Apr 29 23:37:50 do I have to do it with something like swapon from the terminal? Apr 29 23:39:59 swap on Apr 29 23:40:02 swap off Apr 29 23:40:07 swap on swap off... Apr 29 23:40:08 the swapper Apr 29 23:40:12 the swapper Apr 29 23:40:47 :) Apr 29 23:41:07 can I maybe make the VFAT partition I'm not using into a linux swap partition? Apr 29 23:41:14 so I don't have to reflash and start over? Apr 29 23:41:37 i do not understand Apr 29 23:41:42 solve 2 birds with 1 stone Apr 29 23:42:07 you can reformat a vfat into an ext2 or other partition Apr 29 23:42:42 pupnik: right, but I want to set it up as virtual memory Apr 29 23:43:12 swap file works just fine Apr 29 23:43:33 yes what is advantage over swap file Apr 29 23:43:49 I can't make a swap file! Apr 29 23:44:11 the virtual memory tab says that I don't have an internal memory card Apr 29 23:44:27 because I'm running my OS from that memory card Apr 29 23:44:58 i have a 770 that boots from memory card, and i think it worked with swap Apr 29 23:45:01 so what I want to do... is make my currently unused 512mb vfat partition, the area that my swap file would be in Apr 29 23:45:19 well i have an n800 and its not Apr 30 00:00:36 hi .. i installed canola2 through app manager along with youtube plugin .. on 2007HE .. and when i run canola2 it says its loading .. then nothing happens Apr 30 00:00:40 its been over 5 minutes Apr 30 00:03:40 when i run in xterm i get "illegal instruction" Apr 30 00:38:54 if you are running the os from the internal mmc card. can you use another partition on the card for swap? and not have to use swapon and off everytime you boot the device. I have the n800 running 2008OS Apr 30 00:39:16 just modify startup scripts Apr 30 00:40:34 KotCzarny: is there a tutorial that lays some of that basics of that out? Apr 30 00:40:44 erm, don't know Apr 30 00:40:58 i just use linux everyday Apr 30 00:41:31 is there a hard limit to the size of swap you can set? Apr 30 00:41:43 probably some gb/tb Apr 30 00:42:01 Ah, so its not capped at 128mb Apr 30 00:42:05 nope Apr 30 00:42:08 it's only a gui Apr 30 00:42:15 I figured Apr 30 00:42:30 depends, if they are using tools to force the old swap format, then it is cap'ed at 128M per swap partition/file Apr 30 00:42:48 ds3: i think i just used mkswap on some file and it worked Apr 30 00:43:23 I still have that 512mb vfat partition. Can I set it as a swap partition the same way I do in linux? or do I just need to make a swap file that fills it up? Apr 30 00:43:40 woodwizzle: try it Apr 30 00:43:42 :) Apr 30 00:43:52 KotCzarny: the old mkswap created old formats that supported 128M max... Apr 30 00:44:00 but i don't know if it listens to /etc/fstab in that matter Apr 30 00:44:12 ds3: let me check then Apr 30 00:44:13 :) Apr 30 00:44:36 the current one can create legacy swap file/partitions too: Apr 30 00:44:38 -v0 Create an old style swap area. Apr 30 00:47:19 mkswap swapfile2 Apr 30 00:47:19 Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 268431361 bytes Apr 30 00:47:36 what's the advantage of using v0 ? Apr 30 00:48:15 I think (guessing) it uses less resources Apr 30 00:48:24 would it be smart to change the vfat partition to type 82 fist? Apr 30 00:48:59 woodwizzle: doesn't matter Apr 30 00:49:10 hey all Apr 30 00:49:15 wouldn't hurt... might be good for your sanity in the long run Apr 30 00:49:18 may help you to remember you have reformatted it though Apr 30 00:49:51 im looking for a program that will allow itunes-like auto syncing of vlogs Apr 30 00:50:01 i checked out canola but it only sort of does that for podcasts Apr 30 00:50:06 not video Apr 30 00:51:09 hmm Apr 30 00:51:19 is there a way to safely disable maemo-launcher ? Apr 30 00:51:37 if I run sfdisk again though will it wipe out my other partitions? Or can I use it to just edit the type of the vfat partition? (i've never used sfdisk before, I know this is possible in regular fdisk) Apr 30 00:53:44 oh i think i see how Apr 30 00:53:48 cool! Apr 30 00:55:56 ok, stopping maemo-launcher isn't safe :) Apr 30 00:57:30 truly Apr 30 00:57:37 i have disable --booster gtk Apr 30 00:57:45 memory usage went down 30mb Apr 30 00:57:56 and i can't see difference in time when starting gtk apps Apr 30 00:58:48 *disabled Apr 30 01:00:37 hmm... my initfs boot loader is no longer asking me where I want to boot from :( I need to boot from the internal memory again so I can run sfdisk on the internal mmc Apr 30 01:01:48 oh wait I got it Apr 30 01:04:59 hmm, yeah, disabling gtk booster seems worth it Apr 30 01:07:09 now if i could w Apr 30 01:07:16 KotCzarny: is that a single line edit somewhere? Apr 30 01:07:22 lcdd, yes Apr 30 01:08:16 /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher Apr 30 01:08:30 i have removed --booster gtk from the script Apr 30 01:11:11 there's bound to be benefits by using the memory for apps that actually need it Apr 30 01:11:16 thanks Apr 30 01:11:47 i could bear with 1-2 sec longer loading time, and having more memory later available :) Apr 30 01:16:23 is there something you have to press on the n800 to open the bootloader Apr 30 01:16:44 you have to flash modified initfs Apr 30 01:16:48 when you start the system Apr 30 01:17:32 ive already flashed it and got the modified initfs Apr 30 01:17:59 i just cannot get into the bootloader to book from the device Apr 30 01:18:37 I was just wondering if there was a curtain button on the nokia that i had to hit or hold to open up the bootloader Apr 30 01:21:17 I think it just needs to be unplugged Apr 30 01:25:43 why does youtube lag so much on my n800? Apr 30 01:35:44 tsukasa: the hardware chip is not optimized for video, it can't update just parts of the screen, has to update the whole screen every frame Apr 30 01:35:59 is there a reason ssh is taking forever to install on my nokia 770? Apr 30 01:36:06 yes Apr 30 01:36:09 openssh* Apr 30 01:36:09 generating keys Apr 30 01:36:36 so if i want to connect to my home pc .. frm my nokia Apr 30 01:36:43 i install openssh + openssh client on my nokia? Apr 30 01:36:44 KotCzarny: Ok, I have a swap partition, ran mkswap on it, and edited my fstab file so that should be automounted as swap. However after rebooting and running free it says I have no swap space :( Apr 30 01:37:17 as i said, fstab is ignored Apr 30 01:37:23 so you have to modify scripts Apr 30 01:37:35 oh i missed that, my bad Apr 30 01:39:37 user@192.168.1.2's password: .. do i enter my pc pw or my nokia's password i did when i setted up openssh? Apr 30 01:39:50 192.168.1.2 is my pc ip Apr 30 01:40:02 then it's user@pc pass Apr 30 01:40:15 im running damn small livecd? Apr 30 01:40:21 how do i know? Apr 30 01:40:43 ahh.. how would i know the password? Apr 30 01:40:45 its a livecd? Apr 30 01:41:06 i have never used it? Apr 30 01:41:07 :) Apr 30 01:41:12 never used ssh? Apr 30 01:41:23 read the docs about default pass on that livecd Apr 30 01:41:23 :) Apr 30 01:41:40 or try ssh root@192.168.1.2 Apr 30 01:42:26 ah i had to set Apr 30 01:43:16 IM IN :D Apr 30 01:43:39 have fun Apr 30 01:44:07 now to try to show my pc desktop on it Apr 30 01:51:20 wow its cool :D Apr 30 02:07:16 KotCzarny: Hmm, i've been able to make a script (using the first reply at http://dillernet.com/apple/2005/12/27/making-swap/) that activates my swap, but I have yet to get it to run at boot. I tried putting it in /etc/init.d and softlinking to it as /etc/rc2.d/S27mmcswap.sh Apr 30 02:08:01 the paths they give me seem to be for the 770, i think thats my problem but I could be way off Apr 30 02:08:14 if i ssh .. to a linux pc and do mplayer song.mp3 Apr 30 02:08:22 how can i get it to come out of my nokia speakers? Apr 30 02:08:29 it shows its playing fine.. but no sound? Apr 30 02:08:53 that command would play it on the pc since you're running the command from the pc Apr 30 02:09:06 isnt there a way to send it over? Apr 30 02:09:22 there is, but not like that. I would suggest looking into mpd Apr 30 02:09:29 :( Apr 30 02:09:34 ill wnat arch for that Apr 30 02:09:37 not damn small ;p Apr 30 02:10:06 is there some mplayer flag to get it to send to nokia? Apr 30 02:11:10 heh.. Apr 30 02:11:32 if you just export files of your pc somehow Apr 30 02:11:37 for example via http Apr 30 02:11:55 then you can play them using playlist consisiting of http links Apr 30 02:12:04 make a small web server? Apr 30 02:12:11 but then ill need to port forward Apr 30 02:12:19 another way is to mount pc filesystem using sshfs Apr 30 02:12:20 wait Apr 30 02:12:27 i can add a playlist of html links? Apr 30 02:12:43 is sshfs hard? Apr 30 02:12:49 depends Apr 30 02:12:53 for me it's basic Apr 30 02:12:54 :) Apr 30 02:12:56 lol Apr 30 02:13:03 could you teach me real quickly? Apr 30 02:13:11 im great at directions ;p Apr 30 02:13:27 i got ssh going on my own? how much harder can sshfs with help be? Apr 30 02:13:32 it takes a little getting used to Apr 30 02:13:37 i'm still getting used to it =) Apr 30 02:13:48 ah comeonnn :D Apr 30 02:13:51 it can be the final thing for today Apr 30 02:13:54 zakmm, just google.. huh :) Apr 30 02:14:05 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ Apr 30 02:14:12 there is a fuse sshfs package Apr 30 02:14:20 but you will have to figure out what to do with it Apr 30 02:14:32 im on 2007HE .. would that work? Apr 30 02:14:37 hmm Apr 30 02:14:40 don't know Apr 30 02:14:42 probably not Apr 30 02:14:49 different kernel, libs Apr 30 02:14:53 lol :P Apr 30 02:15:05 try looking for os2007 fuse and sshfs Apr 30 02:15:10 maybe someone packaged it Apr 30 02:15:13 anyways Apr 30 02:15:18 how do i do the filelist of http ? Apr 30 02:15:22 playlist of http? Apr 30 02:15:35 echo "http1" >> list Apr 30 02:15:37 echo "http2" >> list Apr 30 02:15:39 etc Apr 30 02:15:56 then mplayer -playlist list Apr 30 02:16:10 k let me try :D Apr 30 02:23:49 mplayer -playlist list gives me illegal instruction error Apr 30 02:23:55 same with canola? Apr 30 02:24:02 then you have to find mplayer compiled for 770 Apr 30 02:24:06 it has different processor Apr 30 02:24:22 it was in the 770 repos? Apr 30 02:24:31 don't know Apr 30 02:24:32 :) Apr 30 02:24:36 i got from that grov/it site? Apr 30 02:24:40 under the repo part Apr 30 02:24:42 and added some Apr 30 02:24:46 and it was in there with canola Apr 30 02:26:19 KotCzarny: Do you know how to make a script run at boot? Apr 30 02:26:47 woodwizzle, just as you described Apr 30 02:26:56 don't forget to chmod +x it too Apr 30 02:27:27 I did, but its not running at boot, free still says 0 for swap Apr 30 02:28:00 running it by hand works? Apr 30 02:28:11 yup Apr 30 02:28:26 also remember if it's file on fs then fs needs to be mounted first Apr 30 02:28:42 which won't happen so early in scripts Apr 30 02:28:50 maybe try S99-local :) Apr 30 02:31:05 whats the -local do? Apr 30 02:31:15 just information Apr 30 02:32:02 so save it as S99-local-mmcswap.sh? Apr 30 02:32:25 should do Apr 30 02:32:27 ok, bbl Apr 30 02:32:39 * woodwizzle crosses fingers Apr 30 02:36:21 SWEET!!!! Apr 30 02:57:54 how come when i do a internet call on my nokia 770 on 2007HE. over google talk my friend can hear me but i cant hear him .. then when i do it on my pc i can hear him just fine? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 30 03:00:02 2008