**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 30 03:00:02 2008
Apr 30 03:00:09 <Navi> O_o
Apr 30 03:00:18 <Navi> I can't even internet call to a PC
Apr 30 03:00:36 <Navi> well, over google talk
Apr 30 03:04:16 <zakkkm_n770> ?
Apr 30 03:04:24 <zakkkm_n770> no i did internet call .. me on nokia.. friend on pc
Apr 30 03:04:28 <zakkkm_n770> he can hear me i cant hear him
Apr 30 03:04:36 <zakkkm_n770> but i did it on pc.. and i can hear him he can hear me ?
Apr 30 03:04:46 <zakkkm_n770> like my nokia is on mute? but it isnt?
Apr 30 03:04:50 <zakkkm_n770> missing a codec im thinking?
Apr 30 03:05:31 <Navi> What did you use to make an internet call?
Apr 30 03:05:39 <zakkkm_n770> google talk
Apr 30 03:06:07 <Navi> Yeah, I can't even connect to do an internet call from tablet to PC :P
Apr 30 03:06:30 <zakkkm_n770> n/m
Apr 30 03:06:32 <zakkkm_n770> recalled it worked
Apr 30 03:07:24 <zakkkm_n770> Navi: so wicked :D
Apr 30 03:07:28 <zakkkm_n770> why cant you connect?
Apr 30 03:07:32 <zakkkm_n770> dont you have a google account?
Apr 30 03:07:39 <zakkkm_n770> i connect ed to my google account?
Apr 30 03:07:40 <Navi> I have one, my brother has one
Apr 30 03:07:48 <zakkkm_n770> so add that ?
Apr 30 03:08:16 <Navi> :/
Apr 30 03:08:30 <zakkkm_n770> ?
Apr 30 03:28:22 <Navi> Looks normal in FF3 for me
Apr 30 03:28:27 <Navi> b5
Apr 30 03:43:34 <woodwizzle> When I boot from a mmc I always get a message at bootup saying "memory card corrupted or not formatted"
Apr 30 03:46:05 <KotCzarny> that's because you didn't left vfat partition
Apr 30 03:46:09 <KotCzarny> just ignore it
Apr 30 03:50:49 <woodwizzle> there is no way to disable it?
Apr 30 03:51:18 <KotCzarny> create small cfat partition
Apr 30 03:51:19 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 03:51:22 <KotCzarny> vfat
Apr 30 03:51:27 <woodwizzle> gaaaaahhh
Apr 30 03:51:48 <woodwizzle> oh well, next time I wanna redo this I suppose I will
Apr 30 03:52:13 <KotCzarny> maybe editing some script could help too
Apr 30 05:11:37 <_V_> re
Apr 30 05:11:56 <_V_> what about 'transcend' as a SD brand ?
Apr 30 05:12:01 <_V_> is ok for n800 ?
Apr 30 05:32:54 <ralann> _V_: i have used them for other SDHC devices and been very happy with them
Apr 30 05:33:08 <ralann> no nokia devices though
Apr 30 05:51:35 <RST38h> FLORENCE, S.C. (AP)  Federal authorities say a South Carolina teen accused of plotting to blow up his high school told police that he wanted to die, go to heaven and kill Jesus.
Apr 30 05:51:46 <RST38h> No, *that* is a plan.
Apr 30 05:52:51 <jaska> indeed
Apr 30 05:54:18 <KotCzarny> why can't they kill themselves in some quiet way
Apr 30 05:54:28 <KotCzarny> what happened to drug poisoning?
Apr 30 05:56:42 <jaska> he wanted to finish the level and kill the boss monster
Apr 30 05:57:00 <RST38h> Kot: Well, he did try to kill himself by banging his head on the wall
Apr 30 05:57:02 <n800n> is there a way to eq the sound in canola?
Apr 30 05:57:25 <KotCzarny> n800n: pcm or mp3 ?
Apr 30 05:57:35 <n800n> mp3
Apr 30 05:57:41 <RST38h> But that didn't work, so he came up with the Master plan
Apr 30 05:57:43 <KotCzarny> depends on decoder/player then
Apr 30 05:58:17 <n800n> no biggy
Apr 30 05:58:57 <n800n> what's a good calendar/organizer?
Apr 30 05:59:13 <KotCzarny> i use .txt file
Apr 30 05:59:45 <n800n> i use binary
Apr 30 06:00:04 <RST38h> i use a piece of paper
Apr 30 06:01:04 <n800n> i remember trying one awhile ago off maemo.org
Apr 30 06:01:16 <n800n> but really slow
Apr 30 06:01:31 <n800n> some gnu thing i think
Apr 30 06:10:28 <lopz> night
Apr 30 06:13:05 <RST38h> "Obama seeking to divorce himself from former pastor"
Apr 30 06:13:16 <RST38h> (who is coming up with these headlines?)
Apr 30 06:18:28 <qwerty12> :/. My N800's RSS reader says "Obama strongly denounces former pastor". More tasteful, I'd say
Apr 30 06:38:46 <RST38h> qwerty: Just point to AP RSS feed... ;)
Apr 30 06:38:55 <RST38h> s/point/point it/
Apr 30 06:38:55 <infobot> RST38h meant: qwerty: Just point it to AP RSS feed... ;)
Apr 30 06:39:25 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 30 06:44:43 <pupnik_> The US govt renamed 'labor day' to 'LAW DAY'
Apr 30 06:44:45 <pupnik_> Respect mah authoritah! :)
Apr 30 06:44:59 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 30 06:45:02 <KotCzarny> seriously?
Apr 30 06:45:34 <pupnik_> "The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."
Apr 30 06:45:48 <pupnik_> 'But that's impossible. How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?'  "The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line."
Apr 30 06:46:02 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/Iraq_and_the_Empire.jpg
Apr 30 06:46:04 <pupnik_> Respect mah authoritah! :)
Apr 30 06:46:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 06:54:15 <qwerty12> Any good hex editors for Linux?
Apr 30 06:54:38 <Grackle> Is it possible to make a flashable backup of my IT?
Apr 30 06:54:54 <Grackle> I would hate to have to redo everything I've done with it so far.
Apr 30 06:55:16 <Grackle> Redo everything if I break it, that is, which is likely.
Apr 30 06:55:24 * Grackle is fooling around with things he probably shouldn't
Apr 30 07:00:53 <pupnik_> apt-cache search hex |grep -i edit  ?
Apr 30 07:00:58 <pupnik_> i forgot the last one i used
Apr 30 07:01:07 <KotCzarny> mcedit ?
Apr 30 07:01:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 07:01:38 <qwerty12> Thanks, I gtg. Probably end up booting into windows to hex edit a linux prog :P
Apr 30 07:01:39 <qwerty12> Bye.
Apr 30 07:57:47 <Grackle> haha pupnik_, sure..
Apr 30 07:58:27 <Grackle> Haha, oh, I thought you were answering /my/ question.
Apr 30 07:58:40 <Grackle> No wonder I found the answer amusing :P
Apr 30 07:59:58 <pupnik_> Grackle: you can if you transfer the system to a MMC partition and install a multi-boot loader
Apr 30 08:00:18 <pupnik_> then you can boot to internal flash, backup your system on SD, then boot back to the SD system
Apr 30 08:00:41 <Grackle> Ah yes, that's not a bad idea.
Apr 30 08:01:11 <Grackle> Also nice, considering I recently acquired a 1GB MMC.
Apr 30 08:02:02 <pupnik> I did it on the 770 but then just stopped breaking the system.
Apr 30 08:02:06 <pupnik> So i don't use the feature
Apr 30 08:02:45 <KotCzarny> how do i love hacking at config file
Apr 30 08:02:58 <pupnik> will you count the ways?
Apr 30 08:03:03 <KotCzarny> and seeing it doesn't work
Apr 30 08:03:20 <KotCzarny> and then realizing app wasn't using it at all
Apr 30 08:03:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 08:03:34 <pupnik> heh done that too
Apr 30 08:03:52 <KotCzarny> good thing there is strace :)
Apr 30 08:04:09 <tsukasa> the n800s screen size gives me a headache
Apr 30 08:04:27 <tsukasa> my desktop has dual 24"
Apr 30 08:04:46 <tsukasa> so the 4" is like... yeah
Apr 30 08:05:23 <Grackle> Yeah, I'm sitting at a pair of 20" LCDs. The N800 is indeed small. :P
Apr 30 08:07:01 <tsukasa> i kind of understand the iphone now... a good interface is needed on small screens
Apr 30 08:07:44 <Grackle> yeah :|
Apr 30 08:08:31 <Grackle> With better software, the IT could be completely usable with just fingers.
Apr 30 08:08:34 <nomis> does anyone know linux software for reading 2D barcodes from images?
Apr 30 08:08:55 <tsukasa> yeah but it has a ways to go
Apr 30 08:09:30 <Grackle> Mhmm.
Apr 30 08:09:57 <Grackle> I hope Nokia keeps updating the N800 OS.
Apr 30 08:10:22 <X-Fade_> Grackle: Diablo will run on N800 too..
Apr 30 08:10:26 <tsukasa> the one thing that really bugs me about the setup is how the contacts app uses sip and isnt compatible with skype at all
Apr 30 08:10:42 <Grackle> That's good, X-Fade_.
Apr 30 08:10:51 <tsukasa> + its not even vcard specd
Apr 30 08:11:00 <Grackle> vcard?
Apr 30 08:11:14 <tsukasa> i mean wth thats so easy to comply with
Apr 30 08:11:29 <tsukasa> a standard for contacts
Apr 30 08:11:40 <Grackle> oh
Apr 30 08:11:42 <tsukasa> the standard
Apr 30 08:12:14 <Grackle> Yes, I would like it if the internet phone unctions were better designed.
Apr 30 08:12:53 <Grackle> Like, how about landscape mode bigass keypad with a couple tabs at the top to switch to the contacts list or something
Apr 30 08:13:00 <tsukasa> what graphics toolkit is maemo on?
Apr 30 08:13:32 <tsukasa> or actual draggable windows
Apr 30 08:13:43 <Grackle> Yes, that would be nice, too.
Apr 30 08:13:54 <woodwizzle> sfdisk can't do partition resizing can it?
Apr 30 08:14:09 <Grackle> Not just draggable windows, but also *less* windows.
Apr 30 08:14:16 <Grackle> Too many dialogs.
Apr 30 08:14:41 <tsukasa> christ, this is a linux os. why the hell arent there windows
Apr 30 08:14:41 <Grackle> no woodwizzle
Apr 30 08:14:47 <Grackle> well
Apr 30 08:14:52 <Grackle> It can resize *partitions*
Apr 30 08:14:55 <Grackle> but not filesystems
Apr 30 08:17:24 <mourad> hello all, I would convert a xml file with python in maemo chinook4.0  but i can't find the library "libxslt"  to use it, how can i proceed ?
Apr 30 08:21:48 <Grackle> apt-cache search libxslt shows nothing?
Apr 30 08:22:28 <Ian01> is there such a thing as a linux cell phone, sold in the usa, that can be freely programmed? or is the nokia tablet the closest thing?
Apr 30 08:23:52 * Grackle has a libxslt
Apr 30 08:24:15 <Grackle> Ian01: hmm, I don't know about any off-the-shelf linux phones, but the openmoko might interest you
Apr 30 08:26:19 <mourad> Grackle: with apt-cache search i can't find just "libxml"
Apr 30 08:28:52 <Veggen> mourad: do you have the maemo extras repository enabled?
Apr 30 08:29:11 <Veggen> according to http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php it should be there.
Apr 30 08:29:27 <Grackle> Interesting. I have libxml and libxslt. I'm not sure which repo it's in. I have the maemo extras repository enabled, as well as scratchbox's repository.
Apr 30 08:29:51 <mourad> i will verif
Apr 30 08:38:37 <mourad> yes i enabled the extra repository and i find the "libxslt" library and i installed it  , but how can i use it with python
Apr 30 08:43:50 <woodwizzle> Grackle: What if I put my internal mmc into a usb reader. Plug it into my ubuntu machine, and run Gparted on it?
Apr 30 08:44:54 <Grackle> That might work. I'm not sure if gparted can resize vfat partitions, but it's worth a shot.
Apr 30 08:45:03 <Grackle> I'd be kinda surprised if it couldn't.
Apr 30 08:45:44 <woodwizzle> Grackle: I don't have a vfat partition, just a swap and a ext2
Apr 30 08:45:46 <mourad> Grackle : thanks for all
Apr 30 08:46:15 <Grackle> np
Apr 30 08:46:39 <Grackle> woodwizzle: oh, yeah, I would be *very* surprised if gparted couldn't handle that
Apr 30 08:46:56 <woodwizzle> When I boot up I get an error saying "memory card is currpted or not formatted" I think thats because the first partition is not VFAT
Apr 30 08:47:37 <woodwizzle> so I'm plan on using gparted to add a little one up front. I'd have to move the swap partiton to the end too since only partition 2 is bootable
Apr 30 08:48:04 <Grackle> I guess that's worth a shot. Back up anything important first..
Apr 30 08:59:43 <woodwizzle> How big should I make the swap partition?
Apr 30 08:59:59 <woodwizzle> I was using 512 and the only thing I tested it out on was youtube videos under canola
Apr 30 09:00:24 <woodwizzle> and they played much better than with 128mb of virtual memory. I'm willing to go up to a gig, but would I get any benefit from that?
Apr 30 09:01:19 <Grackle> o_O woodwizzle
Apr 30 09:01:29 <Grackle> That is... a lot of virtual memory.
Apr 30 09:01:43 <Grackle> If you are swapping, your device will slow down severely.
Apr 30 09:02:05 <Grackle> So... I hope you're not routinely swapping out more than even 32MB of RAM
Apr 30 09:02:20 <woodwizzle> Yeah but it can help. I can't play youtube vids without it
Apr 30 09:02:36 <woodwizzle> 512mb is prolly enough ;)
Apr 30 09:02:48 <Grackle> Well, if you're seeing improvements, sure.
Apr 30 09:03:01 <Grackle> 512 should be plenty bigger than any flash video you'll find online
Apr 30 09:26:10 <mourad>  also with the "libxslt", i would use this library with python in maemo , but i can't .when doing the "import libxslt" in python command line , it apear an error
Apr 30 10:01:10 <lardman> morning
Apr 30 10:01:16 <qwerty12> morning
Apr 30 10:03:19 <jnrz> figured this is the best place to start...I don't know Maemo or programming, but am looking for someone to hire
Apr 30 10:03:50 <jnrz> Any one out there interested in working on a project in Hawaii?
Apr 30 10:04:24 <jnrz> is anyone out there?
Apr 30 10:04:33 <lardman> doing what?
Apr 30 10:04:54 <jnrz> developing an interface for the Nokia 810
Apr 30 10:05:05 <jnrz> and specific aps
Apr 30 10:05:14 <jnrz> all for the Nokia 810
Apr 30 10:05:44 <lardman> sounds interesting, you should also try advertising on ITT
Apr 30 10:05:49 <lardman> ~itt
Apr 30 10:05:53 <jnrz> ITT?
Apr 30 10:05:59 <lardman> hmm, that didn't work too well
Apr 30 10:06:13 <lardman> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/
Apr 30 10:06:14 <jnrz> I'm new to this,
Apr 30 10:06:30 <jnrz> thanks for the advice...
Apr 30 10:06:51 <jnrz> lardman....what do you do?
Apr 30 10:07:03 <lardman> I'm a post-doc at university
Apr 30 10:07:32 <jnrz> are you proficient at maemo...linux or other programming?
Apr 30 10:07:53 <lardman> I'm also not espiecially au-fait with GUI programming
Apr 30 10:08:10 <lardman> Linux, more low-level stuff, dsp for example
Apr 30 10:08:34 <jnrz> are you in the states?
Apr 30 10:08:59 <jnrz> or over seas?
Apr 30 10:09:01 <lardman> no, UK, so quite a long way away
Apr 30 10:09:36 <qwerty12> Watch Little Britain to find out about this tiny country :p
Apr 30 10:09:56 <lardman> we are quite dense though; in population terms
Apr 30 10:09:58 <lardman> ;)
Apr 30 10:10:06 <qwerty12> Very true :)
Apr 30 10:10:18 <jnrz> my email is jnrzf@hotmail.com If things go well on this project, and if you are interested, I may need some help
Apr 30 10:10:38 <qwerty12> I hate the journey going to Manchester and Halifax so I'm glad it isn't massive :P. But anyway.
Apr 30 10:11:07 <lardman> jnrz: I'd be interested to hear what you're planning anyway, I'll drop you a line
Apr 30 10:11:08 <jnrz> If I find the right programmer, it would mean a trip to Hawaii
Apr 30 10:11:25 <jnrz> and some money in the pocket
Apr 30 10:12:13 <jnrz> Thanks for the info...I'll head out to the site you recommended...
Apr 30 10:12:23 <jnrz> Aloha
Apr 30 10:15:08 <b0unc3> good morning
Apr 30 10:15:12 <qwerty12> I wish someone packaged the boost libraries.
Apr 30 10:15:14 <qwerty12> good morning
Apr 30 10:16:26 <qwerty12> Sigh. Now sourceforge is down.
Apr 30 10:20:07 <hrw> qwerty12: boost.. argh
Apr 30 10:20:34 <qwerty12> Yep :(. But quite a few progs require them now :(
Apr 30 11:09:27 <CrashandDie> qwerty12: the boost package don't appear to be very hard to port
Apr 30 11:10:42 <hrw> it is real pita when it comes to crosscompile
Apr 30 11:13:08 <CrashandDie> hmm
Apr 30 11:13:09 <CrashandDie> I wonder
Apr 30 11:17:09 <RST38h> KILL KILL DESTROY
Apr 30 11:20:21 <pupnik> something not going well RST38h ?
Apr 30 11:20:54 <RST38h> the opposite
Apr 30 11:21:11 <RST38h> just found and patched a bug, or so it look
Apr 30 11:21:12 <RST38h> s
Apr 30 11:22:16 <pupnik> nice
Apr 30 11:25:29 <pupnik> Any idea what causes the rendering / scaler bug on tony hawk?
Apr 30 11:26:03 <pupnik> on vgba
Apr 30 11:27:00 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi
Apr 30 11:29:14 <Khertan_TheReal> libglade will make me Crazy !
Apr 30 11:29:52 <acydlord> i am having a horrible time trying to sleep lately
Apr 30 11:47:47 * pupnik810 testing new improved vgba
Apr 30 11:48:15 <lardman> Anyone know where people are staying at LinuxTag?
Apr 30 11:50:28 <X-Fade_> lardman: Art'otel in my case.
Apr 30 11:51:17 <pupnik810> X-Fade_, is there a way to demo tablet stuff on beamer?
Apr 30 11:51:37 <lardman> ~lart weak pound against the euro
Apr 30 11:51:37 * infobot flings poo at weak pound against the euro
Apr 30 11:51:52 <X-Fade_> pupnik810: I have no idea, I don't know what equipment is available.
Apr 30 11:53:11 <pupnik810> id like to have a HD cam pointed at tablet and control tablet via synergy
Apr 30 11:53:50 <pupnik810> most ppl can just demo maemo stuff on a laptop
Apr 30 11:55:45 <X-Fade_> pupnik810: Cam connected to laptop can be an option? :)
Apr 30 11:56:55 <pupnik810> not a big deal
Apr 30 11:57:28 <pupnik810> ill try my cheapo cam right now
Apr 30 12:08:23 <RST38h> pupnik: What does it look like?
Apr 30 12:08:47 <RST38h> And which tony Hawk version? 1/2/3/4?
Apr 30 12:20:47 <dneary> hi
Apr 30 12:21:06 <florian> hi dneary
Apr 30 12:21:13 <dneary> hi florian
Apr 30 12:34:20 <pupnik810> RST38h, the skater looked like a piece of flat paper getting stretched and rotated. dunno version. sry.  just tested and deleted
Apr 30 12:34:49 <pupnik810> grah.  want voice recognition for xchat
Apr 30 12:38:28 <RST38h> pupnik: Just checked 3 different Tony Hawks I have on PC, none have this problem
Apr 30 12:39:08 <RST38h> So it is either Tony Hawk 1 that I do not have, or a bug with rotation field that occurs in the arm-on-arm emulation core
Apr 30 12:42:26 <RST38h> Residents on the Greek island of Lesbos have declared that they alone have the right to call themselves lesbians, and yesterday launched a legal action against the Greek Gay and Lesbian Union (Olke) designed to wrest back control of the word from aficionados of Sapphic luuurv.
Apr 30 12:42:36 <RST38h> Umgh.
Apr 30 12:45:42 <pupnik810> hahaha
Apr 30 12:46:28 <pupnik810> ok if i see it again i will post better info.  cheers RST
Apr 30 13:06:19 <Khertan_TheReal> rahhh hhhhh !!!!!!! http://www.imagegenerator.net/image/89838/GTK-implementation-Suck-.jpg
Apr 30 14:04:23 <penguinbait> is ITT down?
Apr 30 14:04:36 <qwerty12> Not for me
Apr 30 14:04:47 <qwerty12> Benson just replied 0 mins ago
Apr 30 14:05:09 <RST38h> it's up
Apr 30 14:05:40 <RST38h> has anyone tried to make itt administration change that hideous style file they have?
Apr 30 14:06:08 <RST38h> it is a shame to wait for 40 seconds for a tablet to render tablet-oriented site webpage
Apr 30 14:06:29 <penguinbait> I can get everywhere but ITT
Apr 30 14:06:31 <penguinbait> wierd
Apr 30 14:06:32 <RST38h> [and even firefox on xp takes a few seconds to render it]
Apr 30 14:06:39 <penguinbait> I've been banned :(
Apr 30 14:06:48 <qwerty12> itt administration = Reggie. Lots of people have complained about the load times and cpu usage on the tablets but nothing has happened. Best bet is to get Benson's userContent.css tweaks and use classic skin.
Apr 30 14:07:18 <penguinbait> I am on a big box, and its just not there, nada nothing
Apr 30 14:07:21 <qwerty12> penguinbait, reboot router and comp :/
Apr 30 14:07:30 <qwerty12> or try flushing dns cache
Apr 30 14:07:40 <RST38h> penguinbait: I am sure it is for your own good =)
Apr 30 14:07:48 <penguinbait> freaking bullseye telecom SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 30 14:07:51 <RST38h> to cure you of unhealthy obsession and stuff :)
Apr 30 14:08:04 <RST38h> http://top.rbc.ru/wildworld/30/04/2008/162354.shtml
Apr 30 14:08:09 <RST38h> shit, wrong button
Apr 30 14:08:33 <penguinbait> I tried to cancel my contract, sorry can only do that once a year, and it was last month.  You can cancel but onwe 90% of contract
Apr 30 14:08:38 <penguinbait> holy fraking scam
Apr 30 14:08:42 <penguinbait> freaking
Apr 30 14:09:14 <RST38h> Hehe, when I want to "cancel a contract" here, I just stop paying :)
Apr 30 14:09:37 <penguinbait> Its somehting my boss signed
Apr 30 14:09:46 <penguinbait> freaking idiots
Apr 30 14:09:50 <qwerty12> hold your boss to ransom :p
Apr 30 14:09:50 <RST38h> hey, are you at work?
Apr 30 14:09:58 <penguinbait> yes, I am at work
Apr 30 14:10:02 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 14:10:15 <RST38h> Maybe the administrator IS blocking ITT on purpose?
Apr 30 14:10:33 <penguinbait> I am the administrator
Apr 30 14:10:38 <penguinbait> so I am guessing no
Apr 30 14:10:43 <RST38h> Maybe YOU ARE blocking ITT on purpose? ;)
Apr 30 14:10:57 <penguinbait> Its my wife, I just know it
Apr 30 14:10:59 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 14:11:17 <RST38h> Should have told her that password last night...
Apr 30 14:11:51 <pupnik> wow, original chrono trigger for SNES 100 euro on ebay
Apr 30 14:12:03 <qwerty12> penguinbait, does ip work for you: 74.86.202.247 ? I tried it, it works but it redirects me to worded address :?
Apr 30 14:12:10 <qwerty12> s/:?/:/
Apr 30 14:12:10 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: penguinbait, does ip work for you: 74.86.202.247 ? I tried it, it works but it redirects me to worded address :
Apr 30 14:12:18 <qwerty12> no i didn't.
Apr 30 14:13:14 <RST38h> pupnik: Thanks, I will take a rom file instead...
Apr 30 14:13:17 <penguinbait> gets me nowhere
Apr 30 14:13:25 <pupnik> classic skin is nice on ITT.  The n810 theme restricts display width
Apr 30 14:13:37 <penguinbait> I can get there, but when I click on something, it sends me to a name I cannot resolve
Apr 30 14:13:44 <penguinbait> #@$%$#@!#
Apr 30 14:13:55 <pupnik> penguinbait: what is that name?
Apr 30 14:13:59 <qwerty12> RST38h, But you say using roms is unethical unless you have cartridge :p
Apr 30 14:14:04 <qwerty12> pb, :(
Apr 30 14:15:15 <penguinbait> internettablettalk.com
Apr 30 14:15:20 <qwerty12> penguinbait, "switch" dns services for a while to opendns :p
Apr 30 14:16:01 <penguinbait> the things thats pissing me off now, is I am trying to run "ipconfig /flushdns" and freaking vista, needs admin rights, I am a freaking admin???
Apr 30 14:16:12 <RST38h> qwerty: If it comes to buying a e100 cartridge from some collectibles-obsessed junky, I can bend the ethical rules a little bit.
Apr 30 14:16:39 <qwerty12> penguinbait, you use Vista at work? /me smacks head :p. disable uac for a while...
Apr 30 14:16:46 <qwerty12> RST38h, good point
Apr 30 14:17:02 <penguinbait> yes :(
Apr 30 14:17:03 <pupnik> there are some decent 1-euro dealies on teh 'bay
Apr 30 14:17:16 <RST38h> If you can buy the same thing for e5 at a used games store though, buy it by all means
Apr 30 14:17:53 <qwerty12> I used to keep roms (illegally, I ain't gonna deny it) but I don't have them anymore. Not because of a conscience but I kinda got bored of playing roms :P
Apr 30 14:18:41 <penguinbait> yeah its working
Apr 30 14:18:52 <qwerty12> kl
Apr 30 14:29:37 <pupnik>  wow these collector prices are ~insane~ :)
Apr 30 14:53:28 <qwerty12> penguinbait, Mind if I ask a q about KDE? If you boot it from SD, is it separate to the maemo on the rootfs/mtdflash? I mean with your other easy installer, it has to be run from the applications menu of maemo but I understand you can still run some/most maemo apps that are in the flash.
Apr 30 14:57:33 <penguinbait> qwerty, your name is so easy to type :)
Apr 30 14:57:58 <qwerty12> Why I chose it when I was 12 out of annoyance because all my other choices were taken :D :)
Apr 30 14:58:06 <penguinbait> If you boot from SD, its still on top of maemo, you boot to maemo, and run KDE from extras menu
Apr 30 14:58:13 <penguinbait> this stops hildon and starts KDE
Apr 30 14:58:56 <qwerty12> Ah, thanks! I will for sure try out your port when I get a 4GB (stuck with a crappy 1gb atm giving me i/o errors :/)
Apr 30 14:59:25 <penguinbait> 2GB is minimum, but 4GB is probably reccomended
Apr 30 14:59:46 <penguinbait> with 2GB and KDe install it leaves about 300MB free, after removing install files
Apr 30 14:59:57 <penguinbait> 337 on my to be exact
Apr 30 15:00:18 <qwerty12> Yeah, I was gonna take apart the deb and do some of the install from the computer when I realised it would be pointless :/
Apr 30 15:00:27 <qwerty12> Thanks, I was gonna get a 2gb before I saw the 4gb
Apr 30 15:00:46 <penguinbait> I just posted a KDE installer for boot from SD
Apr 30 15:01:21 <qwerty12> Cool, i'll grab it when I get a sd card, no point wasting your bandwidth now :p :)
Apr 30 15:01:29 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19675
Apr 30 15:02:24 <penguinbait> the install is only a small deb, the install process does all the downloading for you
Apr 30 15:02:54 <johnx> penguinbait, I should get un-lazy and do something like that for Debian :)
Apr 30 15:03:14 <qwerty12> penguinbait, nice idea
Apr 30 15:03:40 <penguinbait> I think I need to start playing with the Debian :)
Apr 30 15:03:50 <penguinbait> been to busy with my pown crap :)
Apr 30 15:04:01 <qwerty12> s/pown/? :p
Apr 30 15:04:05 <penguinbait> my own crap that is
Apr 30 15:04:28 <penguinbait> I realized quite quickly, it could be mis-construed for my "porn" crap
Apr 30 15:04:30 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 15:04:41 <qwerty12> 1st thought of mine :p
Apr 30 15:04:51 <johnx> I'll spin a new release that has out-of-the-box support for the N810 keyboard and a nice little icon to make it work on a terminal
Apr 30 15:05:23 <penguinbait> so how are things ported in that enviroment, are they only compiled locally?
Apr 30 15:06:05 <qwerty12> Does anyone know what the search tool was called in Ubuntu 7.10?
Apr 30 15:06:10 <penguinbait> wondering if KDE can run on top of that, instead of maemo
Apr 30 15:06:11 <johnx> well, with Debian I currently have it booting to hildon-desktop, but there are relatively few hildonized apps for Debian.
Apr 30 15:06:34 <johnx> but I've been thinking of doing a release with xfce or matchbox/gpe
Apr 30 15:06:34 <RST38h> qwerty: tracker?
Apr 30 15:06:38 <penguinbait> I thought the whole point was to get rid of hildon?
Apr 30 15:06:52 <penguinbait> is it using matchbox?
Apr 30 15:06:53 <johnx> I actually like hildon. I don't like ITOS
Apr 30 15:07:33 <qwerty12> RST38h, that's what it is now in hardy. pressing the search button on my HP keyboard would bring up something else. Now it brings up tracker. I don't like tracker for a task like I need it now because it relies on it's index.
Apr 30 15:07:34 <johnx> my original idea was to keep hildon and also get any debian apps you wanted...but I think I'll do a release that boots to xfce just to see if it gets a bigger reaction on the forums :)
Apr 30 15:07:44 <penguinbait> what WM is running ?
Apr 30 15:07:57 <johnx> by default? matchbox, just like ITOS
Apr 30 15:08:41 <penguinbait> so what is the point?  sorry for my ignorance?
Apr 30 15:08:47 <qwerty12> Actually, it would be cool to see a joint release between you too. With pb's experience with WM's, you could have XFCE in debian :)
Apr 30 15:08:51 <qwerty12> s/too/two/
Apr 30 15:08:52 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: Actually, it would be cool to see a joint release between you two. With pb's experience with WM's, you could have XFCE in debian :)
Apr 30 15:08:56 <johnx> now you can install any debian app you want with apt-get
Apr 30 15:09:16 <qwerty12> Not to say you couldn't do it yourself.
Apr 30 15:09:23 <johnx> want kde? apt-get install kde4
Apr 30 15:09:47 <penguinbait> I am guessing its not currently that easy :)
Apr 30 15:09:48 <hrw> johnx: rootfs on sd card?
Apr 30 15:09:50 <johnx> but yeah, I think most of the other people who want Debian are mostly interested in a different desktop environment, too
Apr 30 15:10:03 <johnx> hrw, yeah. it sucks power, but it makes it easy for people to try
Apr 30 15:10:08 <johnx> penguinbait, it is
Apr 30 15:10:22 <johnx> if it's in debian armel it is just an apt-get away
Apr 30 15:11:34 <penguinbait> again, where do you compile at?
Apr 30 15:11:39 <johnx> ahaha
Apr 30 15:11:41 <johnx> you don't
Apr 30 15:11:44 <johnx> that's the whole point
Apr 30 15:12:04 <penguinbait> If I can not compile its useless to me?
Apr 30 15:12:19 <johnx> I mean you can recompile if you want, just apt-get build-essential
Apr 30 15:12:23 <penguinbait> I want to do my own thing, not be limited, although scratchbox is limiting
Apr 30 15:12:27 <penguinbait> very limiting
Apr 30 15:12:37 <keesj> johnx: just what?
Apr 30 15:12:57 <johnx> err...apt-get install build-essential on the device
Apr 30 15:13:02 <johnx> then you have gcc
Apr 30 15:13:15 <johnx> I build Debian packages that aren't built yet for armel in qemu-system
Apr 30 15:13:30 <johnx> I need to setup sb2 and try that for Debian cross compiles though
Apr 30 15:13:50 <johnx> ...but my external drive where I have space seems to be causing me problems...
Apr 30 15:13:51 <penguinbait> I can not imagine trying to compile 100+ packages on the device to make KDE3.5.8
Apr 30 15:13:51 <konttori> new wiicontrol version at: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=176096
Apr 30 15:14:04 <penguinbait> although I probably would't need to compile as many
Apr 30 15:14:09 <johnx> penguinbait, right, but kde is already compiled for debian
Apr 30 15:14:21 <penguinbait> so is it running on debian?
Apr 30 15:14:21 <qwerty12> I can't, the thing craps out in 7 hours when running aircrack-ng
Apr 30 15:14:30 <qwerty12> ^imagine it too that is
Apr 30 15:14:58 <johnx> wait, is what running Debian?
Apr 30 15:15:26 <penguinbait> Can I currently install the Debian version and "apt-get install kde"
Apr 30 15:15:30 <johnx> yes
Apr 30 15:15:37 <johnx> you could have done that since late january
Apr 30 15:15:51 <penguinbait> and it will launch and run KDE?
Apr 30 15:15:54 <johnx> yeah
Apr 30 15:16:00 <johnx> I just installed xfce the other night for fun
Apr 30 15:16:12 <johnx> just to do a screenshot of gimp :)
Apr 30 15:16:29 <penguinbait> I have already run GIMP on IT :)
Apr 30 15:17:08 <johnx> well, that's because you're not as lazy as me :D
Apr 30 15:17:14 <penguinbait> I am wondering why I am wasting my time, you need to work on some easy install processes, and they will come
Apr 30 15:17:31 <penguinbait> don't be so sure
Apr 30 15:17:37 <penguinbait> :)
Apr 30 15:17:55 <johnx> well, I do a little work now so I don't have to do any work later
Apr 30 15:18:33 <johnx> the install process is install bootmenu, cd /media/mmc2 && tar jxvf /path/to/debian.tar.bz2
Apr 30 15:19:03 <johnx> but I might make a multi-step "install wizard" script
Apr 30 15:19:54 <penguinbait> Well to be clear, I am a hack at best :)  I do not try to understand the debian process, nor do I care for it.  I am a Red Hat guy, and deb HELL is the same as RPM HELL, perhaps I would argue worse.  I hate ubuntu, its a pile of dog crap :)  Althoug Kubuntu seems much more together
Apr 30 15:19:56 <johnx> press 1 to install bootmenu with default options, press 2 to unpack debian onto sd card
Apr 30 15:20:48 <penguinbait> Mine is just one script that runs, you already have bootmenu, oh well here it comes again :)
Apr 30 15:21:00 <johnx> penguinbait, deb hell is just as bad as rpm hell when you're pulling from a million different repos, and sometimes ubuntu can be a bit flakey (as it's being on my desktop right now...) but debian+apt-get is a world of awesome
Apr 30 15:21:33 <penguinbait> Just not that impressed
Apr 30 15:22:01 <johnx> fair enough. distro preference, editor preference, etc is all personal opinion
Apr 30 15:22:21 <penguinbait> editor preference
Apr 30 15:22:30 <penguinbait> there is only one editor
Apr 30 15:22:47 <johnx> cat?
Apr 30 15:22:54 <johnx> or ed maybe?
Apr 30 15:22:55 <qwerty12> echo
Apr 30 15:23:00 <penguinbait> maybe cat eith sed
Apr 30 15:23:09 <penguinbait> but not alone
Apr 30 15:23:12 <penguinbait> with that is
Apr 30 15:23:18 <penguinbait> ed hehe
Apr 30 15:23:24 <penguinbait> vi is king
Apr 30 15:23:29 * johnx agrees
Apr 30 15:23:30 <penguinbait> I leaned ed first
Apr 30 15:23:36 <penguinbait> learned
Apr 30 15:23:37 <johnx> I used to hate vi so *&$%ing much
Apr 30 15:23:52 <penguinbait> me too, I used to use pico
Apr 30 15:23:53 <penguinbait> heheh
Apr 30 15:23:56 <qwerty12> +1
Apr 30 15:23:58 <johnx> ahaha, me too!
Apr 30 15:24:08 <johnx> I was so mad that pico wasn't in debian when I first switched
Apr 30 15:24:10 <penguinbait> vi rules though!!!
Apr 30 15:24:31 <penguinbait> I spent about 10 minutes making a cheat sheet and never looked back
Apr 30 15:24:33 <johnx> I used joe for a while, but eventually I had to learn vi to deal with my zaurus 5500
Apr 30 15:24:52 <johnx> 14MB rootfs means no room for fancy editors
Apr 30 15:25:04 <penguinbait> I went from RedHat to AIX and there was no pico there, so better learn VI quickly
Apr 30 15:26:19 <johnx> I learned vi on this keyboard: http://tuxmobil.org/pics/zaurus1.jpg
Apr 30 15:26:40 <Blafasel> johnx: Hey, I still have one of those ;)
Apr 30 15:26:49 <qwerty12> Beats learning it off a N800's virtual keyboard
Apr 30 15:26:58 <johnx> me too of course. I need to see why ipkg segfaults under kernel 2.6 on mine...
Apr 30 15:26:59 <Blafasel> Without charger though (lost it somewhere) and I'm pretty sure the battery is dead anyway.
Apr 30 15:27:25 * johnx collects Linux/ARM devices (apparently)
Apr 30 15:28:04 <hrw> I was using pico when started using Unix.
Apr 30 15:28:11 <lardman> what's happened to Garage?
Apr 30 15:28:18 <penguinbait> I wanted a zaurus so bad, then 770 was born :)
Apr 30 15:28:30 <hrw> now I think that learning Vi would be better at those times...
Apr 30 15:28:50 <hrw> lardman: maemo.org modem blocked at 2400bps
Apr 30 15:29:06 <lardman> hrw: sounds about right :)
Apr 30 15:29:13 <johnx> someone bumped the handset off the top of the modem :)
Apr 30 15:29:29 <hrw> I really wonder why people use garage for projects...
Apr 30 15:29:38 <qwerty12> Maybe watchdog rebooted the N800 the site is hosted off?
Apr 30 15:29:56 <penguinbait> I just place things randomly around the internet :)
Apr 30 15:30:14 <hrw> using garage.maemo.org is like hosting on cf card forgotten somewhere in basement
Apr 30 15:30:20 <penguinbait> I think it was metalayer crawler
Apr 30 15:31:18 <johnx> hey, don't compare my hosting habits to garage! I'm insulted. :P
Apr 30 15:32:06 * johnx used to run a semi-public wiki on his Z5500
Apr 30 15:32:20 <penguinbait> johnx where do I start if I want to install your Debian  version?
Apr 30 15:32:38 <johnx> grab the tarball, unpack it onto an ext2 sd card
Apr 30 15:32:46 <johnx> boot from it with boot menu
Apr 30 15:33:26 <johnx> wiki is here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian
Apr 30 15:33:42 <qwerty12> johnx, will you ever integrate fanoush's framebuffer tools into the debian. as I understand it, atm it shows nothing while booting.
Apr 30 15:33:54 <johnx> qwerty12, correct
Apr 30 15:34:01 <johnx> I need to spin a new release soon
Apr 30 15:34:14 <johnx> but I need a new host first or someone who wants to mirror it
Apr 30 15:34:47 <ImMelod1> Total change of subject, but do any of you ever wish you had more room and money to buy really big inflatables?
Apr 30 15:35:10 <johnx> like a giant inflatable whale for the beach?
Apr 30 15:35:15 <johnx> or bigger?
Apr 30 15:35:34 <ImMelod1> No...something like this: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2541453
Apr 30 15:35:41 <qwerty12> I wish I had enough money for a 4gb sd lol.
Apr 30 15:36:09 <johnx> ahaha...more room indeed. I would need a yard to start with...
Apr 30 15:36:18 <ImMelod1> lol...me too XD
Apr 30 15:36:30 <penguinbait> I like my boat, I go to the water
Apr 30 15:36:46 * johnx should just go to the beach more this summer
Apr 30 15:37:11 <ImMelod1> Open water is all well and good, but something like that would be amazing
Apr 30 15:37:12 <penguinbait> I quit smoking in 1995 and bought a boat, 150$ / month
Apr 30 15:37:22 <penguinbait> I quit smoking in 2005 and bought a boat, 150$ / month
Apr 30 15:37:27 <penguinbait> go what year is it?
Apr 30 15:37:32 <penguinbait> seems like longer
Apr 30 15:38:00 <penguinbait> ah it was 2003, I dont even know what happened
Apr 30 15:38:13 <penguinbait> see what happens wen you quit smoking
Apr 30 15:38:27 <johnx> nah, you just need more coffee
Apr 30 15:38:54 <penguinbait> so no sound in Debian or is this just old info?
Apr 30 15:39:32 <johnx> no sound...to do it right we need a real kernel driver hacker :/
Apr 30 15:39:46 <qwerty12> I nominate lardman :p
Apr 30 15:39:58 <johnx> he's got enough projects, I'm sure :)
Apr 30 15:40:22 <lardman> he has and is trying to register one with Garage, but it's not listening
Apr 30 15:40:25 <qwerty12> Probably true, but when it comes to sound, I always believe him :)
Apr 30 15:40:27 <lardman> aargh
Apr 30 15:40:52 <penguinbait> I see, I will wait then
Apr 30 15:42:16 <lardman> Is the lack of sound a DSP problem?
Apr 30 15:42:37 * lardman has never looked at the Debian-on-internet-tablet stuff
Apr 30 15:42:46 <johnx> well, it depends on how you want to look at the sound problem.
Apr 30 15:43:07 <johnx> we could probably just drag closed source binaries over from ITOS and end up with working sound after some hacking
Apr 30 15:43:10 <lardman> is your Debian a chroot?
Apr 30 15:43:16 <johnx> nope, boot from sd
Apr 30 15:43:20 <lardman> ah, ok
Apr 30 15:43:40 <johnx> load kernel -> fanoush bootmenu -> pivot_root to sd -> run debian init
Apr 30 15:43:47 <penguinbait> so it has a different kernel?
Apr 30 15:44:00 <johnx> nope
Apr 30 15:44:11 <lardman> I'm not too clear on whether the sound sent via the kernel is routed into the DSP or not for mixing; but if so, you'll need a DSP kernel with a codec driver
Apr 30 15:44:12 <johnx> same kernel, it's just like booting from sd with ITOS
Apr 30 15:44:44 <penguinbait> so it should only be software missing for sould
Apr 30 15:44:49 <penguinbait> sound
Apr 30 15:45:11 <lardman> presumably
Apr 30 15:45:13 <johnx> lardman, I believe the sound is routed into the DSP, however, I thought I heard that the ARM core could also access the sound hardware, but there aren't drivers for it
Apr 30 15:45:30 <lardman> ah, that may be why I was slightly fuzzy about the whole thing
Apr 30 15:45:33 <johnx> the correct way to do it in the long run is probably to just play sound from the ARM core if that's possible
Apr 30 15:45:52 <penguinbait> is wifi working?
Apr 30 15:46:02 <johnx> yup, with wpa_supplicant
Apr 30 15:46:07 <lardman> It would be possible to write a kernel, though a bit of a drag to write the codec driver (though the information is available); I'd be tempted to use the Nokia stuff
Apr 30 15:46:24 <johnx> in the short term Nokia stuff is the way to go
Apr 30 15:47:08 <johnx> In the long term (after Nokia "retires" the N8x0 lineup) a more permanent open source solution may be necessary to anyone who still wants to run new kernels on their tablet
Apr 30 15:47:24 <lardman> in which case it shouldn't be too bad; iirc the mixer task is built into the dsp-kernel, so you just need to load that - which I presume some of the init scripts do
Apr 30 15:47:47 <johnx> yeah, I have it loading enough sound stuff to make alsamixer happy to display a little slider
Apr 30 15:47:57 <johnx> but I haven't gotten mplayer to do anything with that
Apr 30 15:49:09 <johnx> so quick show of hands, if I do a new Debian release what desktop env should I choose as default? (It won't be KDE or gnome for size reasons)
Apr 30 15:49:18 <lardman> bye chaps
Apr 30 15:49:22 <qwerty12> bye
Apr 30 15:49:25 <johnx> 'night lardman|gone
Apr 30 15:49:25 <hrw> johnx: twm of course
Apr 30 15:49:44 <elb> if you're eliminating KDE and GNOME, but you want a "Desktop environment", there's not much left, is there?
Apr 30 15:49:47 <elb> XFCE
Apr 30 15:49:54 <elb> what else?
Apr 30 15:50:02 <penguinbait> XFCE / Blackbox / Fluxbox / Window Maker
Apr 30 15:50:16 <elb> blackbox and fluxbox aren't "Desktop environments"
Apr 30 15:50:31 <pupnik> and god bless them
Apr 30 15:50:32 <elb> window maker is part of gnustep, but it's nowhere near complete enough to call a usable "environment"
Apr 30 15:50:36 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 15:50:49 <johnx> hrw, :D
Apr 30 15:50:58 <penguinbait> window maker is very useable, it used to run on my n800 all the time
Apr 30 15:51:04 <penguinbait> and freaking SUPERFAST
Apr 30 15:51:16 <qwerty12> its freaking SUPERUGLY
Apr 30 15:51:26 <johnx> qwerty12, you're freaking wrong
Apr 30 15:51:28 <johnx> wmaker it is
Apr 30 15:51:34 * johnx loves WM
Apr 30 15:51:39 <penguinbait> wmaker is beautiful
Apr 30 15:51:41 <qwerty12> I still think it looks ugly
Apr 30 15:51:55 <penguinbait> how old is qwerty?
Apr 30 15:51:57 <johnx> qwerty12, it grows on you...like a fungus
Apr 30 15:52:07 <penguinbait> how old is johnx?
Apr 30 15:52:15 <johnx> qwerty12 is old enough to know better :D
Apr 30 15:52:25 <qwerty12> hehe
Apr 30 15:52:27 <penguinbait> Just curious if its an age thing?
Apr 30 15:52:43 * johnx is 24 if you must know
Apr 30 15:52:45 <penguinbait> pb is 36, been using window maker for long time
Apr 30 15:52:50 <qwerty12> I'm 15. You don't get a lot of 15 year old's running Linux :P
Apr 30 15:53:07 <qwerty12> I started reading tons of Linux books from the local library at 9 though
Apr 30 15:53:17 <penguinbait> freak :)
Apr 30 15:53:20 <qwerty12> That's what got me interested in Linux. I started using it when I was 13
Apr 30 15:53:22 <johnx> me younger sister was running it before 15...so was I...
Apr 30 15:53:23 <qwerty12> Muhahahaha
Apr 30 15:53:24 <penguinbait> RTFM
Apr 30 15:54:02 <penguinbait> pb used to work at Borders Books World Headquarters
Apr 30 15:54:09 <penguinbait> I have a lot of freaking linux books
Apr 30 15:54:20 <johnx> windows 95 made me love Linux, and redhat's fvwm95 made me love windowmaker
Apr 30 15:54:25 <qwerty12> There are books on freaking linux?
Apr 30 15:54:36 <penguinbait> yes there are :)
Apr 30 15:54:39 <johnx> yeah, it's surprisingly similar to regular linux
Apr 30 15:54:45 <qwerty12> eww
Apr 30 15:54:53 <penguinbait> qwerty is same age as my son
Apr 30 15:54:55 <penguinbait> heh
Apr 30 15:55:02 <penguinbait> my oldest anyway
Apr 30 15:55:56 <johnx> maybe I'll go with xfce simply to avoid some of the double-tap and right-click parts of wmaker...
Apr 30 15:56:09 <qwerty12> xfce ftw
Apr 30 15:56:18 <elb> you could no doubt make a pretty usable fvwm install for a stylus
Apr 30 15:56:30 <johnx> yeah, or icewm
Apr 30 15:56:31 <elb> I intend to try, when I get to installing something !hildon on my tablet
Apr 30 15:56:45 <elb> (I use fvwm, and have for basically ever)
Apr 30 15:57:00 <johnx> fvwm95 left a bad taste in my mouth...
Apr 30 15:57:09 <penguinbait> maybe CDE
Apr 30 15:57:11 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 15:57:19 <penguinbait> or lesstif
Apr 30 15:57:49 <elb> fvwm95 was pretty much trash
Apr 30 15:57:52 <qwerty12> Or eyeos http://demo.eyeos.org/
Apr 30 15:57:58 <penguinbait> Old afterstep runs nicely, but latest versions don't run well on the device
Apr 30 15:57:59 <elb> it's not really at all like normal fvwm
Apr 30 15:58:05 <johnx> yeah, and it was the default on rh5.1
Apr 30 15:58:36 <penguinbait> I spent a month trying to get redhat 5.1 to call my ISP
Apr 30 15:58:43 <elb> I had been running fvwm for some time before that, so I just continued using my fvwm config
Apr 30 15:58:54 <penguinbait> God linux has come a long way
Apr 30 15:59:11 <johnx> oh yes, so much yes
Apr 30 15:59:14 <qwerty12> Thankfully. otherwise I may have had to use wmaker. the horror!
Apr 30 15:59:26 <elb> funny that you shoudl say that ... because I'm using essentially the same software now that I used in 1995 or so ;-)
Apr 30 15:59:39 <elb> fvwm, urxvt, jed, mutt ...
Apr 30 15:59:50 <johnx> elb, well you don't count
Apr 30 15:59:52 <johnx> :P
Apr 30 16:00:28 <elb> I just started using ical a couple of years ago, but it dates to that period
Apr 30 16:00:43 <penguinbait> darn kids these days
Apr 30 16:01:16 <johnx> so what are you using for a web browser?
Apr 30 16:01:23 <johnx> links? w3m?
Apr 30 16:01:27 <elb> no, I use firefox
Apr 30 16:01:28 <qwerty12> I don't think I've ever used anything seriously than GNOME for a wm.
Apr 30 16:01:44 <penguinbait> I always liked KDE better
Apr 30 16:01:46 <elb> the best browser I've ever used, though, is ca. 1999 or so -- Galeon
Apr 30 16:02:09 <penguinbait> Especially if you a compiling yourself
Apr 30 16:02:13 <johnx> ah, they rolled a lot of galeon stuff into epiphany
Apr 30 16:02:19 <penguinbait> netscape for linux!!
Apr 30 16:02:21 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 16:02:22 <johnx> epiphany-webkit is looking real nice
Apr 30 16:02:25 <elb> firefox has adopted most of its important features, but it took 5-7 years to do so
Apr 30 16:02:29 <penguinbait> 4.7 communicator
Apr 30 16:02:32 <penguinbait> woohoo
Apr 30 16:02:34 <johnx> yeah, I used galeon too
Apr 30 16:02:49 <johnx> qwerty12, I'm in gnome right now...but everytime it's window management annoys me I think about switching back to wmaker
Apr 30 16:02:59 <elb> firefox 2 was probably where it picked up the last of hte features I really missed
Apr 30 16:03:04 <johnx> this is a cycle that repeats every couple months...
Apr 30 16:03:18 <penguinbait> God I hope the n900 brings RAM
Apr 30 16:03:20 <elb> galeon was quite a bit faster, of course
Apr 30 16:03:30 <qwerty12> johnx, grab xubuntu-desktop rather than degenerating yourself by using wmaker :p
Apr 30 16:03:37 <penguinbait> get rid of internal flash, boot from 2GB internal
Apr 30 16:03:41 <penguinbait> 512MB RAM
Apr 30 16:03:51 <johnx> qwerty12, nah, the point is the window manager was better at managing windows
Apr 30 16:04:22 <johnx> elb, yeah, I started finding extensions to fill the gaps...then I found extensions that did stuff I couldn't do in galeon and that basically got me to switch
Apr 30 16:04:43 <elb> I quit using galeon when it was taking a long time to adopt new geckos
Apr 30 16:04:51 <qwerty12> johnx, Why not make a prettier fork :p
Apr 30 16:04:52 <elb> old buggy gecko was always its weak spot
Apr 30 16:04:59 <penguinbait> links -g best browser :)
Apr 30 16:05:12 <johnx> qwerty12, so, what's ugly about wmaker to you? just the theme?
Apr 30 16:05:20 <johnx> I mean it is themeable...
Apr 30 16:05:35 <manrique> is garage down? maintance?
Apr 30 16:05:56 <qwerty12> johnx, The icons on the side, the icons in general :p
Apr 30 16:06:05 <penguinbait> isn't it always down?
Apr 30 16:06:11 <johnx> qwerty12, so use your own! :P
Apr 30 16:06:21 <manrique> I am looking for easy.garage.maemo.org
Apr 30 16:06:25 <aquatix> johnx: i really like the window manager from xfce4, xfwm4
Apr 30 16:06:26 <qwerty12> I can't design for love nor money :P
Apr 30 16:06:28 <manrique> just to see the camera api
Apr 30 16:06:42 <aquatix> johnx: you might want to try out xfce4 :)
Apr 30 16:07:09 <johnx> I have already, I'll probably go for it just because it requires fewer double-taps, which are hard to do with fingers
Apr 30 16:07:49 <manrique> it seems that the camera app changes/rotate the video when the lens rotates (in C) but the python app doesn't do it
Apr 30 16:07:52 <penguinbait> 4.4.2 is the latest
Apr 30 16:08:04 <penguinbait> 4.4.1 is what I put out for 2007OS
Apr 30 16:08:36 * qwerty12 is trying to compile Aleph 1. I've got the GL and Boost errors fixed but I'm trying to rip out the Network support because it fails for me. After a hour hacking away, I can bet it isn't gonna work.
Apr 30 16:09:14 <penguinbait> I got NetworkManager compiled, is this what your referring to?
Apr 30 16:09:27 <manrique> someone here with experience in maemo camera?
Apr 30 16:09:39 <qwerty12> No, the Aleph One Marathon game engine thingy
Apr 30 16:11:28 <qwerty12> I'd quite like to see someone taking over that unfinished E17 port for N800.
Apr 30 16:11:50 <johnx> qwerty12, what needs to be "ported" about it?
Apr 30 16:12:22 <qwerty12> Whatever the term is then. I don't think it was ever finished. Binaries were released though.
Apr 30 16:12:34 <pupnik> I want a basement full of hungry indian coders
Apr 30 16:12:58 <penguinbait> hehehehehehe
Apr 30 16:12:59 <penguinbait> ehheheh
Apr 30 16:13:03 <johnx> qwerty12, do you mean compiled for ITOS or modified to behave better on the tablet screen/ work better with hildon apps/ something else?
Apr 30 16:13:15 <penguinbait> last I seen that is was a month before Y2K
Apr 30 16:14:09 <qwerty12> Actually, I'm not sure come think of it :/
Apr 30 16:14:15 <aquatix> penguinbait: and you haven't fed them since? poor things...
Apr 30 16:16:58 <amr> anyone here any experience with streams that won't play in canola2? :<
Apr 30 16:16:59 <amr> it adds fine
Apr 30 16:17:09 <amr> but it doesn't move from 00:00 - and doesn't paly anything
Apr 30 16:17:11 <amr> play*
Apr 30 16:17:21 <amr> i'm not even sure its connecting now
Apr 30 16:18:43 <penguinbait> Debian n800 beta 2??  Does this run on 810?
Apr 30 16:19:17 <qwerty12> It should do.
Apr 30 16:19:32 <penguinbait> qwerty are you in UK
Apr 30 16:19:36 <qwerty12> One guy said he made a fix for the N810 internal keyboard or something.
Apr 30 16:19:38 <qwerty12> penguinbait, yes
Apr 30 16:19:42 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 16:20:08 <penguinbait> My brit buddy, always says "it shoud do"
Apr 30 16:20:15 <qwerty12> lol
Apr 30 16:20:37 <penguinbait> amongst other creative sayings
Apr 30 16:20:46 <qwerty12> "you know what I mean" :p
Apr 30 16:20:57 <penguinbait> ah bullocks
Apr 30 16:20:58 <johnx|zaurus> my desktop just went awol
Apr 30 16:21:08 <aquatix> bah humbug
Apr 30 16:21:16 <qwerty12> I watched a fight and you won't believe the amount of times he says that after a sentence - Amir Khan that is
Apr 30 16:21:29 <penguinbait> he often says "wheres my fresh pint"  I think all Brits say this?
Apr 30 16:21:36 <johnx|zaurus> penguinbait, yeah, it works on n810 but you need to do a minor hack t make the kb work
Apr 30 16:21:51 <penguinbait> is it on the wiki?
Apr 30 16:21:54 <aquatix> penguinbait: the ones the drink too much beer, yes ;)
Apr 30 16:22:03 <amr> screw it
Apr 30 16:22:08 <johnx|zaurus> penguinbait, yes :)
Apr 30 16:22:09 <qwerty12> penguinbait, wouldn't know :p
Apr 30 16:22:39 <penguinbait> I thought brits start drinking at 12, perhaps thats Germans :)
Apr 30 16:22:52 <johnx|zaurus> I really shouldnt have bought a mobo with via chipset...
Apr 30 16:23:20 <penguinbait> 12 being an age, not a time :)
Apr 30 16:23:24 <AStorm> qwerty12: if you find ogg-support 0.7 anywhere, tell me
Apr 30 16:23:28 <qwerty12> johnx|zaurus, you too? I used to have a Tyan mobo with via. biggest pos I've seen
Apr 30 16:23:31 <penguinbait> the time starts much earlier :)
Apr 30 16:23:39 <AStorm> and specifically 0.7, 0.6 I already have
Apr 30 16:24:13 <qwerty12> AStorm, I'm sure ogg-support 0.7 doesn't exist :/. maybe ask kulve ?
Apr 30 16:24:23 <AStorm> hehe
Apr 30 16:24:28 <AStorm> asking on ITT
Apr 30 16:24:49 <AStorm> it must exist, or lightmediascanner0-ogg (in repos) wouldn't dep on it
Apr 30 16:25:10 <qwerty12> ogg-support just consists of one file anyway, I think it's a metapackage. If you wan't I can hack you up a 0.7 version? :p
Apr 30 16:25:17 <qwerty12> s/wan't/want
Apr 30 16:25:21 <AStorm> qwerty12: blah blah
Apr 30 16:25:37 <AStorm> and hack libvorbisidec too?
Apr 30 16:25:47 <AStorm> that won't work
Apr 30 16:25:59 <penguinbait> johnx, where is the hack for n810 keyboard, I am not seeing it
Apr 30 16:26:12 <qwerty12> Or, I could hack lightmediascanner0-ogg instead :p
Apr 30 16:26:29 <AStorm> qwerty12: it deps on new libvorbisidec for a reason
Apr 30 16:26:34 <qwerty12> Ah
Apr 30 16:27:22 <penguinbait> am I blind or was it all wiki'ed out?
Apr 30 16:27:36 <qwerty12> Check the History if it was.
Apr 30 16:27:58 <AStorm> google cache?
Apr 30 16:28:36 <qwerty12> AStorm, which version of libvorbisidec does it depend on? a google for "ogg-support 0.7" brings up posts by you wanting it :P
Apr 30 16:28:49 <AStorm> too new
Apr 30 16:28:52 <AStorm> :)
Apr 30 16:29:01 <qwerty12> Ah, i see
Apr 30 16:29:02 <AStorm> one I can't find either
Apr 30 16:30:08 <AStorm> ok, bbl
Apr 30 16:30:28 <qwerty12> I'll check it out for you.
Apr 30 16:30:49 <johnx|zaurus> bah, if I do another deb release i should include rotation suppoty
Apr 30 16:31:05 <johnx|zaurus> *support
Apr 30 16:31:54 <AStorm> I'd prefer matchbox which doesn't crash vs OMWeather and other applets
Apr 30 16:32:03 <lopz> hola
Apr 30 16:32:23 <AStorm> yes, it's the applets that cause the crash
Apr 30 16:32:31 <johnx|zaurus> matchbox is crashing on you?
Apr 30 16:32:36 <qwerty12> Hmm, is libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2_armel.deb = libvorbisidec1 (>= 1:1.2.0)
Apr 30 16:32:39 <AStorm> either any of home* or OMWeather
Apr 30 16:32:41 <AStorm> yes
Apr 30 16:32:51 <johnx|zaurus> buenos dia, lopz
Apr 30 16:32:55 <AStorm> qwerty12: supposedly
Apr 30 16:33:04 <AStorm> where did you find it?
Apr 30 16:33:19 <qwerty12> mogg project page. Wait a sec, I'll fix it all up for you.
Apr 30 16:33:27 <AStorm> mhm...
Apr 30 16:33:43 <AStorm> so next ogg-support will be merged with mogg? how nice
Apr 30 16:33:48 <AStorm> :P
Apr 30 16:34:36 <lopz> heya johnx|zaurus !
Apr 30 16:36:11 <qwerty12> AStorm, libvorbisidec = https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2423/libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2_armel.deb and modified lightmediascanner0-ogg = http://www.mediafire.com/?xzyfkyxxj3m to depend on 0.6 of ogg support.
Apr 30 16:36:43 <AStorm> it's not 0.6 anymore with new libvorbisidec
Apr 30 16:36:54 <AStorm> I hope the newer one is faster :)
Apr 30 16:36:58 <qwerty12> But 0.7 doesn't exist.
Apr 30 16:37:04 <qwerty12> Unless it is svn build.
Apr 30 16:37:13 <AStorm> maybe...
Apr 30 16:37:31 <qwerty12> Anyway with libvorbisidec, I see no difference. ogg-support package is just one file.
Apr 30 16:37:54 <AStorm> what file?
Apr 30 16:38:11 <penguinbait> cp /mnt/rootfs/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/1
Apr 30 16:38:23 <penguinbait> is this the hack/fix you were referring to?
Apr 30 16:38:33 <penguinbait> for the 810 hardware keyboard?
Apr 30 16:38:46 <johnx|zaurus> yes, also, you need to restart the x server after boot
Apr 30 16:39:07 <johnx|zaurus> the fix is to have the x server start later
Apr 30 16:39:16 <johnx|zaurus> there is some race condition...
Apr 30 16:39:41 <qwerty12> AStorm, my bad. It's few files but nothing to do with actually ogg libraries. its for adding support to built in media player, registering mime etc.
Apr 30 16:39:54 <AStorm> mhm
Apr 30 16:40:48 * qwerty12 goes back to trying to make a crappy port of aleph 1
Apr 30 16:41:53 <pupnik> qwerty12: hows that working for you?
Apr 30 16:42:38 <qwerty12> I've got the Boost and GL stuff sorted out (I've got Mesa headers, just GL is disabled at configure time) but I'm getting errors with Network support so I'm ripping it out.
Apr 30 16:43:03 <AStorm> qwerty12: still missing dep
Apr 30 16:43:12 <qwerty12> Hmm, which one?
Apr 30 16:43:19 <qwerty12> mogg?
Apr 30 16:43:59 <AStorm> on libvirbisidec
Apr 30 16:44:08 <AStorm> *libvorbisidec
Apr 30 16:44:30 <AStorm> uhm, libvorbisidec1
Apr 30 16:44:38 <qwerty12> I didn't modify that one. Is lightmediascanner0-ogg complaining about libvorbisidec?
Apr 30 16:44:55 <AStorm> yes
Apr 30 16:45:32 <AStorm> and I have 1.2.0-2
Apr 30 16:45:45 <AStorm> so wtf?
Apr 30 16:46:04 <qwerty12> You want me to take out that dependency too and see if it works anywayz?
Apr 30 16:46:17 <AStorm> mod the dep so that it works
Apr 30 16:46:25 <AStorm> I wonder why it doesn't
Apr 30 16:46:33 <AStorm> says 66k dload too
Apr 30 16:47:38 <qwerty12> Try this one
Apr 30 16:47:41 <qwerty12> http://www.mediafire.com/?ttx1xxdoxyr
Apr 30 16:48:29 <AStorm> that 1: is tripping it
Apr 30 16:48:34 <AStorm> for some reason
Apr 30 16:48:45 <AStorm> what kind of vesioning it is anyway?
Apr 30 16:49:32 <qwerty12> No idea, it cant argue with this one, it has no libvorbis dep:
Apr 30 16:49:40 <qwerty12> <upload in progress>
Apr 30 16:49:51 <qwerty12> http://www.mediafire.com/?im21s1n2mg1
Apr 30 16:50:36 <AStorm> you fail
Apr 30 16:50:46 <AStorm> it had 2.0.2 dep
Apr 30 16:50:52 <AStorm> trying the newest
Apr 30 16:51:30 <qwerty12> Do it yourself then, I ain't hot on numbering.
Apr 30 16:52:04 <AStorm> mediafire sucks
Apr 30 16:52:09 * qwerty12 now forces myself to stay on Aleph 1
Apr 30 16:52:12 <AStorm> use up.wklej.org
Apr 30 16:52:17 <AStorm> or similar
Apr 30 16:52:27 <AStorm> (mediafire opens popups)
Apr 30 16:54:44 <AStorm> new one loads faster :)
Apr 30 16:54:51 <AStorm> visibly
Apr 30 16:54:56 <AStorm> as fast as MP3
Apr 30 16:55:31 <AStorm> and seems to skip less (none)
Apr 30 16:55:39 <AStorm> definitely an improvement
Apr 30 16:56:53 <AStorm> :D
Apr 30 16:57:02 <johnx|zaurus> jeez, modern x86 kernels sure have a lot of config options O_o
Apr 30 16:57:03 <AStorm> qwerty12: post about it on ITT
Apr 30 16:57:16 <AStorm> johnx|zaurus: yep, bloated arch
Apr 30 16:57:51 <qwerty12> AStorm, Ok, thanks. I have to convert my mp3's to ogg sometime.
Apr 30 16:58:24 <johnx|zaurus> this was simpler 8 years ago when I had no clue what I was doing...
Apr 30 17:00:38 <aquatix> lightmediascanner?
Apr 30 17:00:58 <qwerty12> The indexer for Canola
Apr 30 17:01:12 <aquatix> qwerty12: converting ogg->mp3 will only cause less quality files
Apr 30 17:01:20 <aquatix> better re-rip them, or stay in mp3
Apr 30 17:01:26 <qwerty12> Nah, I want to do it the other way round :)
Apr 30 17:01:34 <qwerty12> All my songs are mp3 :)
Apr 30 17:03:02 <aquatix> erm
Apr 30 17:03:13 <aquatix> sorry, i typed the -> wrong, but i meant your way :)
Apr 30 17:03:15 * johnx|zaurus shakes his head
Apr 30 17:06:43 <hrw> bye
Apr 30 17:06:48 <qwerty12> bye
Apr 30 17:07:12 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Converting from 60% quality jpg to png doesn't improve anything either.. ;)
Apr 30 17:07:50 <qwerty12> I'm looking for a smaller size :). In windows, I just do a bunch with dbpoweramp.
Apr 30 17:08:14 <aquatix> qwerty12: your ears will hate you ;)
Apr 30 17:08:29 <aquatix> ah, dinner!
Apr 30 17:08:32 * aquatix runs off
Apr 30 17:08:46 <qwerty12> They already do, I use my W810 with modded acoustic drivers and customised mega bass preset for louder sound and more bass :P
Apr 30 17:09:22 <aquatix> poor things
Apr 30 17:09:28 <Blafasel> louder sound? Nice..
Apr 30 17:09:34 <aquatix> anyways, i'm going to enjoy some spaghetti
Apr 30 17:09:37 <Blafasel> It really _is_ too quiet.
Apr 30 17:09:47 <qwerty12> Blafasel, which phone do you have?
Apr 30 17:09:55 <Blafasel> 810
Apr 30 17:10:00 <Blafasel> "phone"? ;)
Apr 30 17:10:07 <qwerty12> Good choice :P
Apr 30 17:10:09 <qwerty12> Mobile then :p
Apr 30 17:21:18 <penguinbait> cp /mnt/rootfs/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-xkb.fdi /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/1
Apr 30 17:21:37 <penguinbait> is one a dir, or am I copying this file to be named 1?
Apr 30 17:22:05 <johnx> hmm, probably a typo
Apr 30 17:22:19 <penguinbait> just copy it to policy?
Apr 30 17:22:25 <qwerty12> Is it meant to be 10osvendor?
Apr 30 17:22:36 <johnx> qwerty12, probably
Apr 30 17:22:36 <penguinbait> gotcha
Apr 30 17:22:46 <qwerty12> skeen
Apr 30 17:22:47 * johnx looks
Apr 30 17:23:28 <johnx> yeah, I think qwerty12 is right
Apr 30 17:23:34 <penguinbait> need to mkdir /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/
Apr 30 17:23:45 <penguinbait> then copy, just FYI
Apr 30 17:23:47 <johnx> you shouldn't need to...
Apr 30 17:23:54 <penguinbait> its not there?
Apr 30 17:24:07 <johnx> it is there I think, I just have it wrong in the wiki
Apr 30 17:24:13 * johnx just unpacked a fresh copy of beta2
Apr 30 17:24:42 <penguinbait> I guess its still unpacking
Apr 30 17:25:00 <penguinbait> but it seems to have already passed that location?
Apr 30 17:25:03 <johnx> you're doing this while it's still untarring? O_o
Apr 30 17:25:25 <penguinbait> no, because the directory is not there yet :)
Apr 30 17:25:42 <penguinbait> easier to do before booting the first time
Apr 30 17:26:18 * qwerty12 hates taking out the same repeated lines out of a file over and over again :(
Apr 30 17:26:28 <penguinbait> can you remove nano from the base, I dont need it
Apr 30 17:26:32 <penguinbait> :)
Apr 30 17:26:43 <johnx> yeah, I'll replace it with emacs :P
Apr 30 17:26:47 <johnx> good plan
Apr 30 17:27:01 <qwerty12> I have emacs installed on OS2008 but I have no idea on using it (yet) :p
Apr 30 17:27:01 <johnx> nano comes with debian base
Apr 30 17:27:08 <penguinbait> It's just noce to dish out a little of what I always get :)
Apr 30 17:27:11 <penguinbait> nice
Apr 30 17:27:36 <johnx> I basically want to target this at fitting in 1GB
Apr 30 17:27:52 <penguinbait> does it really matter?
Apr 30 17:28:11 <penguinbait> 1GB for base, but if you want to install stuff you need more room anyway
Apr 30 17:28:11 <johnx> it'd be nice to support people with 1GB cards in places where SD cards are still expensive
Apr 30 17:28:43 <johnx> especially since it's so stupid easy to install stuff once you have a real debian system
Apr 30 17:29:03 <penguinbait> thats the whole point right :)
Apr 30 17:29:07 <johnx> exactly
Apr 30 17:29:26 <penguinbait> how big is it unpacked now?
Apr 30 17:29:42 <johnx> just so happens I unpacked a fresh copy right now :D
Apr 30 17:29:54 <penguinbait> du -sh ?
Apr 30 17:29:59 <johnx> 553M
Apr 30 17:30:03 <johnx> from du -h
Apr 30 17:30:07 <penguinbait> oh thats not bad
Apr 30 17:30:18 <johnx> that's with hildon and like nothing installed
Apr 30 17:30:19 <penguinbait> KDE is 1.1GB without the OS underneath :)
Apr 30 17:30:32 <johnx> xfce+gimp fits under a gig
Apr 30 17:30:41 <qwerty12> Bye.
Apr 30 17:30:49 <penguinbait> I wonder if I can just dump my KDE on top the your debian
Apr 30 17:31:00 <penguinbait> see ya q
Apr 30 17:31:26 <johnx> uhm, probably, but it would be a lot more future proof to just have a tar.gz with the custom settings and use debian's KDE...
Apr 30 17:31:39 <johnx> did you hack a lot of KDE source to slim it down?
Apr 30 17:31:57 <penguinbait> no slimming at all :)
Apr 30 17:32:08 <penguinbait> its a full desktop build
Apr 30 17:32:21 <johnx> well, no offence, but why not use Debian's packages?
Apr 30 17:32:35 <penguinbait> have not tried yet
Apr 30 17:32:55 <penguinbait> if I can just apt-get cups and KDE, sounds good
Apr 30 17:33:11 <penguinbait> well, and some sounds would be nice?
Apr 30 17:33:21 <johnx> yeah, sound would be nice
Apr 30 17:33:39 <johnx> I'll do the next release with no sound and see if I can draw someone's attention who feels like working on it
Apr 30 17:36:37 <penguinbait> 10osvendor is not on my beta2
Apr 30 17:36:39 <penguinbait> ????
Apr 30 17:37:11 <johnx> ls usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/
Apr 30 17:37:16 <johnx> tell me what is in there
Apr 30 17:38:07 <penguinbait> nevermind
Apr 30 17:38:15 <penguinbait> doh, missed policy in typing
Apr 30 17:39:08 <johnx> were either of the mirrors up, by the way?
Apr 30 17:40:01 <penguinbait> not sure I used http://sheeplauncher.net/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2
Apr 30 17:40:11 <johnx> bah! :P
Apr 30 17:40:35 <johnx> I need to just remove that link, and let people ask for it if the mirrors are down
Apr 30 17:40:41 <penguinbait> me likes to go to the source :)
Apr 30 17:40:46 <johnx> I only have 5GB of transfer per month!
Apr 30 17:41:10 <penguinbait> I am booted
Apr 30 17:41:23 <penguinbait> I have unlimited, but they suck
Apr 30 17:41:39 <penguinbait> I had 30GB of retrys the first month
Apr 30 17:41:48 <johnx> I need to find someone else to pay my $5/month to
Apr 30 17:42:06 <penguinbait> not siteground!
Apr 30 17:42:16 <johnx> alright, I'll remember that
Apr 30 17:42:34 <s1d> mMM i <3 scratchbox
Apr 30 17:42:37 <johnx> haha...looks like I'll dodge my transfer limit by a couple hours :D
Apr 30 17:42:43 <penguinbait> where is terminal?
Apr 30 17:42:50 <johnx> extras -> roxterm
Apr 30 17:42:59 <johnx> don't ask me why...
Apr 30 17:43:04 <penguinbait> ah
Apr 30 17:43:23 <penguinbait> what is default password?
Apr 30 17:43:25 <penguinbait> rootme?
Apr 30 17:43:33 <johnx> sounds right
Apr 30 17:43:37 <johnx> isn't it on the wiki?
Apr 30 17:43:45 <penguinbait> keyboard is not working?
Apr 30 17:44:00 <johnx> is that a question to me?
Apr 30 17:44:06 <penguinbait> statement?
Apr 30 17:44:12 <johnx> but yeah, you need to restart the x server?
Apr 30 17:44:25 <johnx> it's a race condition?
Apr 30 17:44:26 <penguinbait> even though it was there when I booted?
Apr 30 17:44:32 <johnx> yes?
Apr 30 17:44:40 <johnx> no?
Apr 30 17:44:43 <penguinbait> race condition?
Apr 30 17:45:07 <Cptnodegard> is it just me or does reed use a 770 in fantastic 4 rise of the silver surfer?
Apr 30 17:45:07 <johnx> hal starts doing something and doesn't finish before the x server starts
Apr 30 17:47:34 <penguinbait> ok, I cannot do (ctrl - alt - backspace) the x-server is start / stop  (no restart)
Apr 30 17:47:44 <penguinbait> so, how is this done?
Apr 30 17:48:07 <penguinbait> I assume if I stop, there is no x for me to type in to start?
Apr 30 17:48:13 <johnx> correct
Apr 30 17:48:17 <johnx> I always did it by bringing up networking and sshing in
Apr 30 17:48:41 <johnx> but you could use screen
Apr 30 17:48:48 <penguinbait> hmm
Apr 30 17:49:28 <penguinbait> is there like sudo ALL=ALL
Apr 30 17:49:31 <johnx> for example start screen, su, /etc/init.d/x-server stop ; /etc/init.d/x-server start ; /etc/init.d/hildon-session start
Apr 30 17:49:40 <penguinbait> I know, but I am not root
Apr 30 17:49:40 <johnx> root password is rootme
Apr 30 17:49:50 <penguinbait> so I can just su
Apr 30 17:50:03 <johnx> yeah, this isn't ubuntu or itos craziness
Apr 30 17:50:08 <johnx> this is a real linux distro :D
Apr 30 17:50:56 <penguinbait> I can not see my xterm behind on-screen keyboad
Apr 30 17:51:19 <penguinbait> ah, clear, moves it back up
Apr 30 17:53:05 <NullM0dem> Do the builtin xterm menus work?
Apr 30 17:53:23 <penguinbait> It appears to me, this would be much more usefull without hildon
Apr 30 17:53:30 <penguinbait> not sure I am rebooting now
Apr 30 17:55:11 <johnx> might be more useful...but I had mixed feelings about taking the tablet in too many directions at once. I really want to see hildon succeed on handheld linux and not have the nokia tablet community fracture off in a million directions like the zaurus community
Apr 30 17:57:37 <penguinbait> ok, so scrap hildon, and use something else :)
Apr 30 17:57:52 <johnx> :P
Apr 30 18:01:58 <NullM0dem> I avoided zaurus for that reason, A friend of mine claims that there are too many projects most are broke or incomplete. nothing works without serious tweaking...
Apr 30 18:02:18 <johnx> it used to be more true than it is now
Apr 30 18:02:42 <johnx> both angstrom and custom debian installs get you something that's pretty useful without too much pain
Apr 30 18:03:29 <johnx> but I really think the zaurus would have gone a lot further without everyone pulling in a million different directions
Apr 30 18:04:14 <johnx> largely the problem was Sharp
Apr 30 18:06:10 <johnx> at the same time though, hildon is on a lot firmer ground now that ubuntu mobile is using it as well, so I'm not too worried about accidentally undermining it
Apr 30 18:06:41 <penguinbait> There seems to be to be two camps, one thinks of this as a wonderful finger friendly device, and then there is poeple like me who says its a computer, and can run most anything, then you have the people who want both
Apr 30 18:07:00 <johnx> I fall in the latter camp
Apr 30 18:07:14 <lcuk> its not a finger device
Apr 30 18:07:23 <lcuk> most operations still need a stylus
Apr 30 18:07:36 <johnx> lcuk, I would beg to differ...
Apr 30 18:07:46 <penguinbait> brainwave control is really what I am looking for
Apr 30 18:07:59 <penguinbait> do what I think not what I say
Apr 30 18:08:06 <johnx> ah, and by latter camp, I mean I want both :)
Apr 30 18:08:18 <lcuk> ok a stylusesq finger - take for instance changing brightness:  it works with a finger nail but the icons are too small to use with finger alone
Apr 30 18:08:38 <johnx> luckily all my fingers come with fingernails included
Apr 30 18:08:47 <lcuk> if i try i end up with network settings or some other nearby icon
Apr 30 18:09:00 <johnx> time to sharpen your fingers?
Apr 30 18:09:00 <lcuk> but thats not a finger device - thats using your fingernail as a stylus
Apr 30 18:09:20 <lcuk> take the iphone - a device designed from the ground up to use your finger
Apr 30 18:09:37 <lcuk> the interface is geared towards using your finger
Apr 30 18:09:38 <penguinbait> every phone I ever had was that way :)
Apr 30 18:09:46 <lcuk> absolutely
Apr 30 18:09:51 * lardman foolishly installed Heron
Apr 30 18:10:00 <johnx> it's in a greay area I think
Apr 30 18:10:21 <johnx> but it is definitely more finger friendly than GPE on the zaurus for example
Apr 30 18:11:13 <lcuk> being "more" finger friendly than something else does not make it finger friendly
Apr 30 18:11:30 <johnx> fair enough
Apr 30 18:11:37 <johnx> I use it with my fingers all the time
Apr 30 18:11:39 * lcuk doesnt mind using the stylus for some precision things
Apr 30 18:11:43 <johnx> I can't use my zaurus with my fingers
Apr 30 18:12:12 <johnx> my fingers and my n800 are acquaintances but lcuk says I can't really call them friends
Apr 30 18:12:19 <lcuk> this liqbase thing i am coding up has a menu system with interface elements big enough to touch confidently
Apr 30 18:12:44 <johnx> yay! another widget set!
Apr 30 18:12:47 <lcuk> i hate having to aim precisely for something which shouldnt need it
Apr 30 18:13:06 <lcuk> im not asking anyone else to use it - i am designing things for user #1.   ME
Apr 30 18:13:31 * lcuk is selfish, but this device will do what i want it to
Apr 30 18:13:53 <lcuk> and i thank nokia every day for giving me the chance to use it as i see fit
Apr 30 18:13:54 <johnx> sorry for the cynicism. I really am excited about the project you're working on
Apr 30 18:14:43 <lcuk> so am i - im aiming to get enough to break things off into subprojects - the reader is more important for lots of people than anything else i am doing :)
Apr 30 18:15:18 <elb> yeah I have no idea why things like the brightness setting are so tiny
Apr 30 18:15:29 <lcuk> and the alarm clock
Apr 30 18:15:36 <lcuk> those 2 more than anything really irk me
Apr 30 18:15:59 <johnx> actually, here's my pet peeve: why doesn't the file open dialog take up the whole screen?
Apr 30 18:16:01 <lcuk> i wake up in the morning and have to stress to try and hit the snooze button
Apr 30 18:16:18 <elb> volume, brightness, the power button menu, and the network selector are things I regularly use with my finger which are really too small
Apr 30 18:16:32 <lcuk> theres loads of them john, its because things are designed for normal use, and not specifically for touch
Apr 30 18:16:55 <johnx> see, I'm not even talking about the individual elements here
Apr 30 18:17:01 <johnx> I mean the whole window
Apr 30 18:17:12 <lcuk> take the scroll bars, you cant just make them fatter and expect them to work, the knob should be finger height minimum
Apr 30 18:17:22 <johnx> it's super-modal so you can't *do* anything else while it's up, so what's the point of leaving free space?
Apr 30 18:17:35 <johnx> lcuk, you haven't seen the fat scroll bars theme?
Apr 30 18:17:44 * lcuk thinks john does see the picture but was playing devils advocate earlier ;)
Apr 30 18:17:59 <lcuk> no i havent actually ill take a look
Apr 30 18:18:04 <johnx> lcuk, honestly I don't have any problem using the UI with my fingers
Apr 30 18:18:37 <johnx> I'm used to using smaller elements with my fingers and I find hildon/maemo to be a good trade off between use of screen real estate and finger usability
Apr 30 18:20:10 <lcuk> screen estate doesnt need to be compromised though for most things - just having lists draggable like the browser - ie without a scrollbar would help some things.  and when you do have space making use of it is important
Apr 30 18:20:32 <lcuk> i design things based on whole screen subdivisions: my display elements are visible from orbit :)
Apr 30 18:20:56 <johnx> echowb: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17678&page=2
Apr 30 18:21:06 <johnx> echo theme with wide scroll bars everywhere :)
Apr 30 18:21:34 <johnx> so far it hasn't broken anything here, and all the apps that I've tried cope with it alright
Apr 30 18:21:35 <lcuk> thanks john :)
Apr 30 18:22:05 <johnx> yes, the default mini-scrollbars are ridiculous, I'll agree with you there
Apr 30 18:22:57 <lcuk> they arent if you are meant to hold onto a stylus though
Apr 30 18:23:14 <johnx> they're a little small for that even, IMHO
Apr 30 18:23:59 <lcuk> depends if you can "aim" for the gutter at the side of the screen and can use the actual hard gutter to help your aim.  if they are in the middle away from the edge they are useless
Apr 30 18:24:40 <lcuk> its like the "X" in fullscreen windows  - on Windows that is the easiest button to hit with your mouse because you aim for the top right and hard boundaries keep the pointer there
Apr 30 18:25:03 <lcuk> on ubuntu/gnome  it pisses me off that the X is not actually in the top
Apr 30 18:25:16 <johnx> (...because everyone who uses windows maximizes their apps...)
Apr 30 18:25:25 <johnx> it depends on the theme I think
Apr 30 18:25:27 <lcuk> that extra panel stops it being easy to close a program (and until i removed the logout it kept popping up)
Apr 30 18:25:41 <johnx> so move the panel...
Apr 30 18:25:42 <lcuk> no i know, i was using it as an example
Apr 30 18:27:08 <johnx> I know what you mean. I've read a couple articles on the Apple HIG and I know the value of screen corners
Apr 30 18:27:28 <johnx> that's why on my desktop box each one does something useful
Apr 30 18:27:33 <lcuk> similar principles are required from nokia
Apr 30 18:27:48 <Mousey> anybody package freeciv 2.1.4 yet? ;)
Apr 30 18:27:54 <lcuk> there is a style document somewhere for the new sony device
Apr 30 18:28:13 <lcuk> that has a load of elements which are generic to touch devices as a whole
Apr 30 18:29:53 <lcuk> right, back later
Apr 30 18:29:58 <johnx> 'later
Apr 30 18:30:04 <johnx> I should head off to sleep
Apr 30 18:30:16 <johnx> good talking to you :)
Apr 30 18:30:28 <lcuk> yer john :) discussion helps
Apr 30 18:31:52 <penguinbait> night!
Apr 30 18:32:02 <penguinbait> morning
Apr 30 18:32:07 <penguinbait> afternoon?
Apr 30 18:32:11 <johnx> ~ugt
Apr 30 18:32:12 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Apr 30 18:32:16 <johnx> :D
Apr 30 18:32:52 <penguinbait> no no no, only things relative to me are inportant
Apr 30 18:32:56 <penguinbait> :)
Apr 30 18:33:04 <johnx> :P
Apr 30 18:46:14 <Sveinung> what is the relationship between Maemo and Debian? Is it Debian, a fork that syncs before each relase (like Ubuntu), a fork or a different distro that happends to use deb and apt?
Apr 30 18:46:44 <RST38h> it is a derivative of debian
Apr 30 18:46:53 <RST38h> it does not sync, as a whole
Apr 30 18:47:08 <johnx> AFAIK, they forked from debian circa ~2005 before debian supported ARM EABI, and over time it's diverged somewhat
Apr 30 18:47:23 <Sveinung> thanks
Apr 30 18:47:34 <johnx> also, the focus is on embedded use so some changes have been made such as busybox replacing the coreutils
Apr 30 18:52:52 <lardman> Anyone happen to know the layout of YUV420 data in the LCD controller?
Apr 30 18:53:11 <lardman> ssvb did give me some notes, but I can't remember where they were from
Apr 30 18:57:03 <lardman> ah ha http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt
Apr 30 18:57:19 <lcuk> fourcc has a good writeup of most formats
Apr 30 18:57:34 <lcuk> http://www.fourcc.org/yuv.php
Apr 30 18:57:42 <lardman> not this one, though as it's seemingly specific to our LCD controller
Apr 30 18:57:56 <lardman> but thanks :)
Apr 30 18:58:24 <lcuk> i see what you mean
Apr 30 18:58:56 <lcuk> ive been wondering why the planar format im using has 4x grey info than the color
Apr 30 18:59:05 <lcuk> but the yv12 format has 2x
Apr 30 18:59:46 <lcuk> is this for your dsp blitter
Apr 30 18:59:46 <lardman> My DSP task reads a YV12 raw stream (produced by mplayer) but just produces garbage on the screen, so I need to see where I've gone wrong converting
Apr 30 18:59:51 <lardman> yep
Apr 30 19:00:07 <KotCzarny> experiment :>
Apr 30 19:00:08 <lcuk> cool :) im watching intently - it may come in handy for the stuff im playing with
Apr 30 19:00:26 <KotCzarny> you will get data properly in the end :)
Apr 30 19:00:46 <lardman> I'll post the code later on even if I can't work it out as someone else may have more luck seeing the error
Apr 30 19:00:58 <KotCzarny> feed it patterns
Apr 30 19:01:01 <lardman> KotCzarny: yes, directly from Mplayer internals
Apr 30 19:01:11 <KotCzarny> maybe there is some order in the madness :)
Apr 30 19:01:23 <KotCzarny> mplayer can be fed static images
Apr 30 19:01:50 <lardman> KotCzarny: yes, but it's just going to be a mistake in my conversion routine, so I'll see if I can spot it first
Apr 30 19:02:12 <lcuk> will an application need to setup the dsp to use this lot, or will it just be some ioctl with params?
Apr 30 19:02:33 <lardman> the plan is to encapsulate it in a library which can be called
Apr 30 19:02:45 <KotCzarny> ioctl with source addr dimensions? :>
Apr 30 19:02:54 <lardman> the app will need to retain some information and pass it to the library (namely a handle to the device)
Apr 30 19:02:56 <KotCzarny> maybe with wait for sync param too?
Apr 30 19:02:56 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 19:03:03 <lcuk> nice, cos it does seem like the dsp is out of reach of standard coding
Apr 30 19:03:17 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 30 19:03:20 <KotCzarny> you know asm
Apr 30 19:03:22 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:03:26 <lardman> nah, if you have the toolchain setup it's all pretty easy
Apr 30 19:03:31 <lardman> I'm using C atm
Apr 30 19:03:34 <KotCzarny> ahm
Apr 30 19:03:42 <lardman> asm is for optimisation, once it all works ;)
Apr 30 19:04:04 <KotCzarny> still even unoptimized it's free cycles
Apr 30 19:04:11 <lcuk> exactly, its just another thingontop of everything else to learn :) if it  can be made into a library as you say the payoff ratio becomes easier for everyone
Apr 30 19:04:23 <KotCzarny> btw. when you feed dsp does it bump cpu to the max?
Apr 30 19:04:41 <lardman> KotCzarny: no, atm it pulls the cpu speed back I think
Apr 30 19:04:50 <lardman> so that the DSP can run at full speed
Apr 30 19:04:51 <RST38h> it's not directly related
Apr 30 19:05:11 <KotCzarny> rst38h: dynamic dsp task automatically switched to 330/220
Apr 30 19:05:20 <KotCzarny> static task left cpu alone
Apr 30 19:05:32 <KotCzarny> (at the will of cpufreq of course)
Apr 30 19:05:33 <RST38h> but I am pretty sure it is done in software
Apr 30 19:05:36 <lcuk> lardman, from what you have seen is it beyond the bounds to ask the dsp to do ummm 3d texture and lighting calculations? ;)
Apr 30 19:05:41 <lardman> this is all dynamic as otherwise I'd need to change the dsp kernel
Apr 30 19:06:11 <lardman> lcuk: no idea to be honest, I don't know how stressed the DSP is, but offloading anything would be better than doing it all on the ARM
Apr 30 19:06:19 <lcuk> yer agreed
Apr 30 19:06:30 <lcuk> :)
Apr 30 19:07:28 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VaAPI or even XvMC might be interesting additions eventually
Apr 30 19:08:40 <KotCzarny> dri?
Apr 30 19:08:41 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 19:09:03 <penguinbait> johnx?
Apr 30 19:09:09 <johnx> m00?
Apr 30 19:09:25 <penguinbait> how do I stop matchbox cleanly on this?
Apr 30 19:09:45 <johnx> I don't do anything with dsme
Apr 30 19:09:47 <johnx> just kill it
Apr 30 19:09:48 <penguinbait> I usually source /etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.sh stop
Apr 30 19:09:53 <penguinbait> ok,
Apr 30 19:10:08 <johnx> or kill the x server and don't run hildon-session again
Apr 30 19:10:09 <penguinbait> normal ITOS killing matchbox does not work
Apr 30 19:10:15 <penguinbait> it will restart
Apr 30 19:10:27 <johnx> yeah, because they launch it with dsmetool (or whatever...)
Apr 30 19:10:39 <penguinbait> ok, cool
Apr 30 19:10:48 <penguinbait> where is single quote
Apr 30 19:11:01 <johnx> on the software keyboard or hardware?
Apr 30 19:11:05 <penguinbait> soft
Apr 30 19:11:13 <KotCzarny> press shift?
Apr 30 19:11:18 <penguinbait> I did
Apr 30 19:11:18 <johnx> maybe shift+something?
Apr 30 19:11:30 <KotCzarny> or 'char mode switch' ?
Apr 30 19:11:36 <penguinbait> It shows a single quote next to space bar if I press shift
Apr 30 19:11:46 <penguinbait> but pressing it gives me a double quote
Apr 30 19:11:47 * johnx is doing a clean xfce install so I'm out of X right now
Apr 30 19:11:48 <KotCzarny> i think layout is configurable
Apr 30 19:11:54 <sbz> does anyone know what is the good repository to have maemo-synergy on apt-get ?
Apr 30 19:17:10 <penguinbait> hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux, Linux
Apr 30 19:17:38 <sbz> BSD is more powerful (ahahaha)
Apr 30 19:17:48 <KotCzarny> leeenoox
Apr 30 19:17:54 <johnx> that's a great file :D
Apr 30 19:18:19 <KotCzarny> leenoobx
Apr 30 19:18:44 <penguinbait> bah!
Apr 30 19:18:47 <lardman> hmm, my 'task' bar is stuck, ~lart Hardy Heron
Apr 30 19:18:53 <penguinbait> because it sux more poweR?
Apr 30 19:19:00 <sbz> so nobody know the good repository ? :/
Apr 30 19:19:11 <johnx> lardman, right click, is it locked?
Apr 30 19:19:24 <lardman> does't respond to any clicking at all
Apr 30 19:19:33 <lardman> luckily I can still alt-tab
Apr 30 19:19:41 <johnx> ah, well that's no good
Apr 30 19:19:55 <KotCzarny> sounds stucky situation
Apr 30 19:20:05 <KotCzarny> killall and hope it restarts?
Apr 30 19:20:06 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 19:20:23 <lardman> will switch off eventually, see what happens then :)
Apr 30 19:20:27 <qwerty12_N800> happens to me a lot, I just ctrl-alt-bkspace which isn't good :/
Apr 30 19:20:51 <KotCzarny> i have never had any hang with fluxbox
Apr 30 19:20:59 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: :)
Apr 30 19:21:04 <KotCzarny> it has a nice 'restart wm' option
Apr 30 19:21:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:21:19 <qwerty12_N800> AStorm, :)
Apr 30 19:21:26 <KotCzarny> which restarts only wm without killing anything
Apr 30 19:21:27 <WorkingOnWise> can I plug a standard 3.5mm hands free mic/headphone set into the IT and use it to talk on Skype?
Apr 30 19:21:32 <AStorm> okk, finally bought the real Nokia™ AC-4E charger
Apr 30 19:21:34 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny, nice
Apr 30 19:21:49 <KotCzarny> i use it when i change displays with xrandr
Apr 30 19:21:50 <lardman> all that talk of killing wms has brought it back from the dead. well done!
Apr 30 19:21:56 <AStorm> with added ™ and Nokia™ plug
Apr 30 19:22:08 <NullM0dem> KotCzarny: its a great feature, until your on another wm and expect it to be a standard :)
Apr 30 19:22:11 <qwerty12_N800> Copy and paste? :p
Apr 30 19:22:18 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:22:28 <KotCzarny> like on gnome?
Apr 30 19:23:26 <AStorm> NullM0dem: Sawfish has it, haha
Apr 30 19:23:33 <AStorm> thus, I win
Apr 30 19:23:40 <lardman> argh, gedit is as bad as Excel, as soon as the text to be copied has lost focus it won't do it
Apr 30 19:23:42 <RST38h> hurrah
Apr 30 19:23:54 <lardman> s/focus/highlight
Apr 30 19:24:24 <KotCzarny> use mcedit :>
Apr 30 19:24:33 <KotCzarny> just kidding
Apr 30 19:24:45 <KotCzarny> i wonder when mc will start using utf too
Apr 30 19:24:50 <qwerty12_N800> it's mc everything with you :p
Apr 30 19:24:51 <AStorm> vim for the win!
Apr 30 19:24:59 <KotCzarny> qwerty: yup
Apr 30 19:28:28 <WorkingOnWise> anyone? can I plug a standard 3.5mm hands free mic/headphone set into the IT and use it to talk on Skype and such?
Apr 30 19:29:40 <lardman> oo, my little band of colour in the corner is looking better - denser at least
Apr 30 19:29:42 <WorkingOnWise> I tried bluetooth but the sound quality is so bad I didnt waste my time even seeing if I could make a call in Skype  with it paired.
Apr 30 19:31:25 <AStorm> WorkingOnWise: you can
Apr 30 19:31:39 <hrw> btw - is there good howto for transcoding movies for n8x0?
Apr 30 19:31:42 <AStorm> but you won't be able to plug the mike
Apr 30 19:31:44 * qwerty12_N800 is gonna hate installing fglrx tommorow, I know it...
Apr 30 19:31:48 <AStorm> hrw: many
Apr 30 19:31:54 <hrw> other then tablet-encode perl script ofcourse
Apr 30 19:31:54 <AStorm> read ITT forums
Apr 30 19:32:00 <||cw> that's just a headphone port though isn't it?  it would still use the little mic
Apr 30 19:32:03 <AStorm> yes, there are more
Apr 30 19:32:16 <AStorm> some mentioned on canola site i.e.
Apr 30 19:32:26 <AStorm> ||cw: yep
Apr 30 19:32:50 <AStorm> unless, you find a 2x minijack to 1x 4-wire minijack
Apr 30 19:33:08 <hrw> ~curse forums
Apr 30 19:33:10 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, forums !
Apr 30 19:33:34 <AStorm> :P
Apr 30 19:33:36 <KotCzarny> hmm
Apr 30 19:33:36 <AStorm> they do
Apr 30 19:33:36 <WorkingOnWise> so is the 3.5mm jack wired for mic and headphones?
Apr 30 19:33:45 <AStorm> WorkingOnWise: yes
Apr 30 19:33:46 <KotCzarny> hrw's most sensitive regions are forums?
Apr 30 19:33:47 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 19:33:54 <qwerty12_N800> ~curse infobot
Apr 30 19:33:56 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, infobot !
Apr 30 19:34:07 <AStorm> they have already
Apr 30 19:34:13 <AStorm> it has a lot of bugs
Apr 30 19:34:36 <penguinbait> ok, I give up on Debian, it makes me want to throw my n800 through the wall
Apr 30 19:34:55 <hrw> KotCzarny: forums mostly contains lot of crap and very small amount of usable data
Apr 30 19:34:57 <WorkingOnWise> so I just need to find a standard 4 wire hands free kit and I'm home free, like for a cell phone, right?
Apr 30 19:35:15 <WorkingOnWise> with the 4 wire 3.5mm end
Apr 30 19:35:16 <hrw> KotCzarny: in normal world there is also wiki with extracted content
Apr 30 19:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> penguinbait, ~curse debian? :p
Apr 30 19:35:33 <KotCzarny> hrw: that's maemo.org i believe
Apr 30 19:35:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:35:39 <hrw> KotCzarny: it is
Apr 30 19:35:48 <hrw> KotCzarny: crap wiki on crap modem connection
Apr 30 19:35:52 <NullM0dem> Slackware FTW!!!
Apr 30 19:36:01 <KotCzarny> hrw: modem? o.O
Apr 30 19:36:21 <qwerty12_N800> wiki?
Apr 30 19:36:25 <NullM0dem> Would like to run slack on my n810
Apr 30 19:36:25 <hrw> KotCzarny: so called speed shows that maemo.org is on 33600 modem
Apr 30 19:36:46 <KotCzarny> hrw: use google cache?
Apr 30 19:36:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:37:03 <hrw> KotCzarny: thats most of my use for that site
Apr 30 19:37:45 <qwerty12_N800> meh, I think nokia cut costs with the  linux side, the main nokia.com loads fine
Apr 30 19:38:32 <lcuk> all sites experience problems, hell slashdot was down today
Apr 30 19:38:51 <lcuk> i almost had to do real work today!
Apr 30 19:38:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 19:39:25 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, the horror! :o
Apr 30 19:39:40 <KotCzarny> the workror!
Apr 30 19:40:10 <qwerty12_N800> the horrwork
Apr 30 19:40:15 <NullM0dem> haha
Apr 30 19:40:20 <NullM0dem> i was let down as well
Apr 30 19:41:02 <KotCzarny> ~let down make love~
Apr 30 19:41:21 <lcuk> i tried browsing using archive.org, but realised I had already posted comments in all the articles i tried ;)
Apr 30 19:41:39 <qwerty12_N800> >.<
Apr 30 19:42:49 * lcuk will make 5000 posts soon
Apr 30 19:43:13 <KotCzarny> and all your dots will get slashed
Apr 30 19:43:16 <lcuk> although i must say since i got my nokia slash has seemed more meh
Apr 30 19:43:33 <lcuk> i hope not
Apr 30 19:43:51 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny, ow a vasectomy?
Apr 30 19:43:51 <AStorm> ok, new era of electronics awaits
Apr 30 19:44:32 <AStorm> 100 Gb/cm2
Apr 30 19:44:43 <AStorm> for starters
Apr 30 19:44:50 <AStorm> (in flash-like memory)
Apr 30 19:44:51 <KotCzarny> that's data throughput or caapcity?
Apr 30 19:44:52 <lcuk> perpendicular?
Apr 30 19:45:11 * lcuk is reminded of the hitachi song
Apr 30 19:45:23 <KotCzarny> heh, technical animated ads..
Apr 30 19:45:27 <KotCzarny> ..no!
Apr 30 19:45:28 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 19:45:28 <AStorm> http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/processors/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207403582&pgno=2&queryText=&isPrev=
Apr 30 19:45:41 <AStorm> maybe not the first page :P
Apr 30 19:45:43 <lcuk> http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html ;) yes
Apr 30 19:45:50 <AStorm> a new piece -  memristor
Apr 30 19:46:27 * qwerty12_N800 opens the link...
Apr 30 19:46:58 <KotCzarny> that memristor seems vulnerable to magnetic field, no?
Apr 30 19:47:04 <AStorm> KotCzarny: no
Apr 30 19:47:41 <AStorm> it stores flux parameter of passing electrons
Apr 30 19:47:52 <AStorm> aka spin
Apr 30 19:48:28 <AStorm> which slows down electrons of other spin (aka resistance)
Apr 30 19:48:49 <AStorm> ofc, current resistance, not voltage
Apr 30 19:48:54 <lcuk> im waiting for the MCHammerister.  it stores state information in overly baggy pants
Apr 30 19:49:05 <AStorm> lcuk: lol
Apr 30 19:49:12 <KotCzarny> lcuk: overstuffed computing?
Apr 30 19:49:12 <qwerty12_N800> you cant touch them :p
Apr 30 19:49:37 <KotCzarny> sounds like an isa in memory district
Apr 30 19:49:41 <KotCzarny> 'stop! hammertime'
Apr 30 19:56:41 <woodwizzle> Is it possible to get boost on OS2008 so I can compile a more current wesnoth build?
Apr 30 19:57:21 <woodwizzle> 1.4.1 is out on the stable release branch. I wanna see if I can build it, but it has a dependency on boost
Apr 30 19:57:27 <qwerty12_N800> I kinda got installed in sbox (i think headers only)
Apr 30 19:58:11 <qwerty12_N800> I need it for Aleph 1, and maybe deluge
Apr 30 19:59:28 <qwerty12_N800> is it me or does jott always have nick collision :p
Apr 30 19:59:41 <KotCzarny> maybe he likes it
Apr 30 19:59:51 <KotCzarny> bumping into himself
Apr 30 20:00:22 <qwerty12_N800> hehe
Apr 30 20:01:30 <pupnik> .
Apr 30 20:01:35 <KotCzarny> o
Apr 30 20:01:45 <pupnik>    O |
Apr 30 20:02:06 <KotCzarny> .-.
Apr 30 20:02:07 * lardman is annoyed that the ipod touch doesn't seem to like WPA
Apr 30 20:02:15 <KotCzarny> `-'
Apr 30 20:02:25 <qwerty12_N800> \/\/T|= :p
Apr 30 20:02:55 <KotCzarny> _/\/\/\@
Apr 30 20:04:11 <lardman> not mine of course, the gf's; I'm not defecting
Apr 30 20:04:22 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 20:04:24 <Cptnodegard> get a new GF
Apr 30 20:04:28 <NullM0dem> haha
Apr 30 20:04:30 <KotCzarny> your gf is defecting?
Apr 30 20:04:38 <qwerty12_N800> lmaos
Apr 30 20:04:40 <lcuk> shes defective?
Apr 30 20:04:41 <Cptnodegard> defective is more like it
Apr 30 20:04:50 <lardman> :)
Apr 30 20:04:52 <KotCzarny> defecating?
Apr 30 20:04:54 <lcuk> lol sorry lard
Apr 30 20:04:57 <lardman> glad she's not looking over my shoulder
Apr 30 20:05:07 <KotCzarny> defecative?
Apr 30 20:05:38 <lcuk> i think apple have done a really neat job with the iphone and it shows that you dont need high resolution all the time
Apr 30 20:05:44 <lardman> my fault really as I kept stealing back the 770/N800 do do dev work on
Apr 30 20:06:08 <KotCzarny> deformating?
Apr 30 20:06:36 <KotCzarny> d'effing?
Apr 30 20:07:01 <lcuk> i do dev work on the 810 whilst missus is using it, she just looks over and goes "OI!" if i happen to run something which displays a ui
Apr 30 20:07:25 <lardman> lol
Apr 30 20:08:05 <KotCzarny> subliminal messages?
Apr 30 20:08:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:08:51 <lardman> I tend to cause lots of watchdog reboots, so probably more noticeable
Apr 30 20:09:31 <qwerty12_N800> lol, disable it and walk away whistling when it crashes
Apr 30 20:10:10 <lcuk> does the dsp exist in its own little world?  ive heard you talk about the kernel for it and stuff, i innocently thought you just sent it commands and it did them for you
Apr 30 20:10:38 <KotCzarny> yup
Apr 30 20:10:54 <KotCzarny> it has it's own access to memory and rest of the stuff i think
Apr 30 20:10:55 <lcuk> or are the commands entire strands of program code
Apr 30 20:10:58 <lardman> yeah, it lives in its own world
Apr 30 20:11:14 <lardman> it has access to its own memory, and to the mmu, so can share some memory with the arm
Apr 30 20:11:57 <lardman> the commands are indeed complete code, they are dynamically loaded modules which execute in a thread
Apr 30 20:14:08 <lardman> aargh, I thought I'd fixed it - spotted 4 mistakes, but no
Apr 30 20:15:42 <woodwizzle> ssh with X forwarding the best way to do remote desktop to a linux box?
Apr 30 20:15:45 <lcuk> so essentially its like having a total other *foreign* cpu inside the box with a minimum of crossover - instructions and sizes and stuff is different - like having a 68k and an x86 inside the same box.
Apr 30 20:16:02 <woodwizzle> sorry... is ssh with X...
Apr 30 20:16:12 <NullM0dem> lardman: your playing with the builtin DSP on the nokia?
Apr 30 20:16:16 <lardman> lcuk: yes
Apr 30 20:16:19 <KotCzarny> woodwizzle: vnc over ssh
Apr 30 20:16:21 <lardman> NullM0dem: yep
Apr 30 20:16:31 <KotCzarny> nm: 'you're'
Apr 30 20:16:33 * lcuk is starting to understand a little bit more
Apr 30 20:16:33 <NullM0dem> Cool, have a project page up?
Apr 30 20:16:47 <woodwizzle> KotCzarny: Thanks again :-)
Apr 30 20:16:49 <NullM0dem> my grammer is bad sorry
Apr 30 20:16:57 <KotCzarny> nm: :)
Apr 30 20:17:31 <lardman> NullM0dem: my home page (see posts to maemo-developers for details): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/ and dsp-tremor project on Garage
Apr 30 20:17:54 <NullM0dem> thanks!
Apr 30 20:18:05 <lardman> lcuk: I'm always happy to talk about it
Apr 30 20:18:19 <lardman> NullM0dem: np
Apr 30 20:18:20 <lcuk> well i'll buy the first beer then :)
Apr 30 20:18:39 <qwerty12_N800> I would wub someone 4 eva if they did a2dp/sbc on dsp :/
Apr 30 20:18:39 <lardman> and no more comments about the gf as she'll be there too!
Apr 30 20:18:46 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 30 20:18:50 <lcuk> is nokia paying for her?
Apr 30 20:19:02 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Apr 30 20:19:08 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: now that you say that, I've just sumbitted a project to Garage as I have 2 people who want to collaborate on that
Apr 30 20:19:09 <KotCzarny> 'nokia's paid gfs'
Apr 30 20:19:11 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 20:19:16 <KotCzarny> now that's something
Apr 30 20:19:28 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, nice :)
Apr 30 20:19:40 <lardman> lcuk: I'm not sure they're even paying for me; no reply from Quim so I'm just going ahead and booking
Apr 30 20:20:04 <qwerty12_N800> who is watching the apprentice (uk) at this moment?
Apr 30 20:20:15 <lcuk> fair enough, im in a holding pattern with the travel agency at the moment, ive sent requested dates etc so will see what happens
Apr 30 20:20:18 <lardman> multitasking!
Apr 30 20:20:43 <lardman> lcuk: we were thinking about heading over at some point so thought we'd kill 2 birds, etc.
Apr 30 20:21:14 <lcuk> so your misses is heavily into linux as well then
Apr 30 20:21:15 <lcuk> ;)
Apr 30 20:21:19 <lcuk> missus
Apr 30 20:21:38 <lardman> nah, cursing me from the living room for ignoring her :)
Apr 30 20:21:42 <qwerty12_N800> misses = plural? :/
Apr 30 20:22:16 <lcuk> then go be with her.  linux has been growing for years and will carry on regardless, she will get upset with you
Apr 30 20:22:36 <KotCzarny> yeah
Apr 30 20:22:41 <lardman> yeah, but it annoys me if I don't finish something
Apr 30 20:22:42 <KotCzarny> and n8x0 is portable
Apr 30 20:22:44 <lardman> 5min more
Apr 30 20:22:49 <NullM0dem> I had a girl that hacke don linux it was great
Apr 30 20:22:54 <KotCzarny> so you can develop everywhere :)
Apr 30 20:22:57 <lcuk> "i can't come to bed now, someone is wrong on the internet"
Apr 30 20:23:03 <NullM0dem> lol
Apr 30 20:23:07 <pupnik> that must bt xckd
Apr 30 20:23:08 <pupnik> e
Apr 30 20:23:20 <KotCzarny> it's internet
Apr 30 20:23:23 <lcuk> http://xkcd.com/386/
Apr 30 20:23:34 <lcuk> of course pupnik
Apr 30 20:24:23 <lcuk> pupnik, have you stalked any more traffic cone watching winter coats recently?
Apr 30 20:24:48 <lardman> argh
Apr 30 20:25:03 <lardman> anyway, time for some TV, then perhaps back to cursing the DSP :)
Apr 30 20:25:10 <qwerty12_N800> battery dying. bye.
Apr 30 20:25:17 <lcuk> cya lard
Apr 30 20:25:25 <pupnik> have some more nice pics yes.  what's the hotel name lcuk?
Apr 30 20:25:33 <lcuk> i dont know yet
Apr 30 20:25:52 <lcuk> i think they are frantically calling round to find rooms
Apr 30 20:27:05 <lcuk> im gonna dive into vmware, i might not be out for a while
Apr 30 20:27:14 <pupnik> what's to dive into
Apr 30 20:27:23 <pupnik> download, configure, run
Apr 30 20:27:29 <lcuk> ive got a few things which ive been procrastinating on
Apr 30 20:28:04 <lcuk> like finishing the file selection and loading/saving sketches
Apr 30 20:28:23 <lcuk> (i need sketches so i can make resolution independent button glyphs
Apr 30 20:28:39 * lcuk renames his vmware "shed"
Apr 30 20:28:46 <KotCzarny> lol
Apr 30 20:29:00 <pupnik> Arthur.  Two-sheds.  Jackson.
Apr 30 20:29:28 <lcuk> monty python? should be interesting
Apr 30 20:30:13 <pupnik> nice catch
Apr 30 20:30:28 <lcuk> send a mail to google and thank them ;0
Apr 30 20:30:31 <lcuk> )
Apr 30 20:30:42 <pupnik> ah.  i figure if you're going to quote python, be obscure
Apr 30 20:30:42 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:31:36 <flo_lap> re
Apr 30 20:32:29 <lcuk> what does re mean
Apr 30 20:32:38 <KotCzarny> re-hi
Apr 30 20:33:34 <lcuk> re means hi?    which language?
Apr 30 20:33:40 * lcuk is confused
Apr 30 20:33:41 <KotCzarny> re means hi again
Apr 30 20:33:54 <KotCzarny> or i'm back
Apr 30 20:33:54 <lcuk> :D finally the light dawns
Apr 30 20:34:16 <lcuk> i thought it was just a typo lol   but then i noticed a few people do it
Apr 30 20:34:32 <KotCzarny> new to the internet, eh?
Apr 30 20:34:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:34:46 <lcuk> new to irc yes :)
Apr 30 20:34:55 <flo_lap> ljp_hawaii: enjoy :)
Apr 30 20:35:03 * lcuk proves his n00b status
Apr 30 20:35:13 <KotCzarny> n00b, everyone has it
Apr 30 20:35:24 <KotCzarny> they just hide it under ;)
Apr 30 20:35:51 <lcuk> i dont mind not knowing.  if i never learn however i will be upset
Apr 30 20:35:54 <pupnik> Very well. Let us talk, I will isolate myself. I do not expect anything important will happen for the next five minutes-for I can give you fully five minutes, Kuno. Then I must deliver my lecture on "Music during the Australian Period."
Apr 30 20:36:31 * KotCzarny is still dizzy
Apr 30 20:37:06 <lcuk> pupnik, that would have made just as much sense if you had ended it with "emulators everywhere!" ;)
Apr 30 20:37:39 <pupnik> ever read 'the machine stops' by e.m. forster lcuk?
Apr 30 20:37:49 <lcuk> no - scifi?
Apr 30 20:37:54 <pupnik> http://brighton.ncsa.uiuc.edu/prajlich/forster.html
Apr 30 20:37:58 <pupnik> yes, from 1909
Apr 30 20:38:25 <pupnik> save it for sometime when you can savor it
Apr 30 20:39:23 <lcuk> that just makes me want to incorporate wget into my book reader ;)
Apr 30 20:39:36 <KotCzarny> have you ever noticed that old technology looks funny, but naked women over the ages are still attractive?
Apr 30 20:39:45 <pupnik> i'd include that text as default in the book reader
Apr 30 20:39:52 <pupnik> heh, wellll
Apr 30 20:40:00 <pupnik> beauty ideals do change
Apr 30 20:40:06 <KotCzarny> lcuk: wget is a simple function
Apr 30 20:40:09 <lcuk> naked women over the ages?   just how old are we talking here?
Apr 30 20:40:14 <lcuk> milfs or gilfs?
Apr 30 20:40:22 <KotCzarny> naked women
Apr 30 20:40:24 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:40:35 <RST38h> Kot: not to mention the eternal nature of scatological jokes
Apr 30 20:40:45 <lcuk> but ugly women have existed over the ages as well
Apr 30 20:40:51 <KotCzarny> without specifying any particular group
Apr 30 20:40:54 <KotCzarny> yes, they do
Apr 30 20:41:39 <lcuk> i agree in principle kot, bu hair in the wrong places spoils most older imagery
Apr 30 20:42:02 <KotCzarny> i don't have a problem with hair in places
Apr 30 20:42:04 <KotCzarny> it's natural
Apr 30 20:42:05 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:42:19 <KotCzarny> and body's way to protect itself
Apr 30 20:42:38 <KotCzarny> now, if you start trying to override it..
Apr 30 20:42:41 <lcuk> a line is drawn where a hairy women begins to look like a shot putter called Helgar
Apr 30 20:42:49 <KotCzarny> on the photoshop induced principle..
Apr 30 20:43:24 <KotCzarny> it's like breeding dogs
Apr 30 20:43:33 <KotCzarny> they look cute but they are crippled
Apr 30 20:43:38 <lcuk> hair doesnt protect you - in humans its a scent holding mechanism
Apr 30 20:44:02 <KotCzarny> lcuk, want me to find an article of a man who shaved his ass hair?
Apr 30 20:44:03 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 20:44:06 <lcuk> if it protected you it would grow in exposed places - women would have hairy chests and stomachs
Apr 30 20:44:11 <KotCzarny> and discoveries what those hair are for?
Apr 30 20:44:11 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 20:44:40 <lcuk> go for it - im all for learning
Apr 30 20:44:48 <KotCzarny> k, i'll try to find it
Apr 30 20:44:56 <lcuk> lol
Apr 30 20:45:29 * lcuk refuses to search google for shaving a blokes arse
Apr 30 20:45:39 <KotCzarny> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/35274458.html
Apr 30 20:45:41 <KotCzarny> here you are
Apr 30 20:47:23 <KotCzarny> ah, i think it's a woman
Apr 30 20:48:42 <lcuk> KotCzarny, thats over exagerating
Apr 30 20:49:01 <KotCzarny> lcuk, but shaving and then using aluminium based antiperspirants?
Apr 30 20:49:06 <KotCzarny> that's just plain sick
Apr 30 20:49:35 <KotCzarny> and it's our consumption based culture that drives people sick/sad
Apr 30 20:49:39 <lcuk> how about not going all the way, there is a compromise for almost every situation
Apr 30 20:50:09 <dougt> for a second I wondered wtf irc channel i was lurking on.
Apr 30 20:50:13 <lcuk> lol
Apr 30 20:50:24 <KotCzarny> lcuk, but it only proves how little people know about body functions
Apr 30 20:50:33 <KotCzarny> and world in general
Apr 30 20:50:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:50:34 <lcuk> hey - you could use the 810 as a mirror in a tricky situation
Apr 30 20:50:47 <KotCzarny> lcuk: it has a cam
Apr 30 20:50:48 <KotCzarny> you know
Apr 30 20:50:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 20:50:49 <dougt> lcuk: you could stream video!
Apr 30 20:51:15 <dougt> that just might kill the internets.
Apr 30 20:51:18 <lcuk> no, goatse could stream video, someone else could just use it to make sure they dont get razorburn
Apr 30 20:52:44 <KotCzarny> lcuk: anyway, i prefer health to easthetics (correct spelling?)
Apr 30 20:53:48 <KotCzarny> *aesthetics
Apr 30 20:53:52 <jaska> aesthetics
Apr 30 20:53:55 <lcuk> couldnt agree more :) (spelling unimportant)
Apr 30 20:54:49 <KotCzarny> not that both aren't important
Apr 30 20:54:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:55:02 <KotCzarny> aesthetics is for healthy mind :)
Apr 30 20:55:50 * lcuk retires to his shed
Apr 30 20:55:56 <KotCzarny> have fun
Apr 30 20:56:02 <lcuk> i will
Apr 30 20:58:27 <RST38h> Weird
Apr 30 20:58:46 <RST38h> The ENTER button on Apple BT keyboard does not get recognized
Apr 30 20:58:55 <RST38h> What the hell its key code?
Apr 30 20:59:11 <KotCzarny> try xev
Apr 30 20:59:12 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 20:59:45 <RST38h> Oh, its GDK_Return, same as the center button on N800 =(
Apr 30 20:59:59 <RST38h> Shit, what do I do now?
Apr 30 21:00:05 * Cptnodegard got his DVD database on his N800 :D
Apr 30 21:00:10 <KotCzarny> use ctrl-m ?
Apr 30 21:00:34 <KotCzarny> press shift-space ?
Apr 30 21:01:25 <RST38h> no, no, that is not my problem
Apr 30 21:02:45 <RST38h> The problem is that I can't use it as GBA START key because it will cause accidental keypresses on N800
Apr 30 21:03:22 <RST38h> qwerty: Will you mind if the d-pad center button worked as START in VGBA?
Apr 30 21:04:24 <qwerty12_N800> I'd like it to be the A button, because that gets used more imo
Apr 30 21:04:24 <pupnik> d-pad center does sometimes get hit accidentally
Apr 30 21:04:41 <RST38h> I am having a problem here
Apr 30 21:05:05 <RST38h> Looks like bt keyboards (at least Apple one) generate GDK_Return when ENTER is pressed
Apr 30 21:05:31 <RST38h> Unless I map GDK_Return to the START key, you can't press GBA START on the bt keyboard
Apr 30 21:05:56 <RST38h> But if I DO map GDK_Return to START, it may accidentally get pressed on N800s. So what do I do?
Apr 30 21:06:16 <pupnik> you have many keys available on the keyboard
Apr 30 21:06:45 <pupnik> right now i have 'start' = "-" and 'select' = 'm'
Apr 30 21:06:55 <RST38h> pupnik: I follow my own 10-year-old convention that says ENTER=START
Apr 30 21:06:57 <qwerty12_N800> Is it possible to check if a bluetooth keyboard is connected or allow a toggle option?
Apr 30 21:07:03 <RST38h> not easily
Apr 30 21:07:04 <pupnik> hehe yes that's a good convention
Apr 30 21:07:34 <KotCzarny> qwerty12: yes i think
Apr 30 21:07:38 * RST38h will just map Return to START for now and wait for complaints :)
Apr 30 21:07:41 <qwerty12_N800> But I agree, start seems a better idea than a when I think ok of it
Apr 30 21:08:08 <pupnik> people should play with bt keyboards anyway
Apr 30 21:08:15 <pupnik> heh /duck
Apr 30 21:08:20 <RST38h> bt keyboard lags a lot
Apr 30 21:08:32 <KotCzarny> i would point at bt power saving
Apr 30 21:08:42 <KotCzarny> it works nicely with my phpne
Apr 30 21:08:43 <RST38h> is there a way to turn it off?
Apr 30 21:08:47 <qwerty12_N800> nah, on my ppc, morphgear was better with built in d-pad
Apr 30 21:09:00 <KotCzarny> rst38h: i don't know, yet
Apr 30 21:09:18 <RST38h> which reminds me: I am looking for somebody to make new emulator ports for the winmobile
Apr 30 21:09:47 * qwerty12_N800 goes to look. can bt power saving setting be set by maemo?
Apr 30 21:10:02 <KotCzarny> not in gui
Apr 30 21:10:15 <KotCzarny> at least i couln't be able to find it
Apr 30 21:10:24 <qwerty12_N800> ok, thanks.
Apr 30 21:10:27 <KotCzarny> maybe some gconf
Apr 30 21:10:46 <RST38h> the keyboard probably can't be paired with more than one device, right?
Apr 30 21:12:13 <pupnik> RST38h: did you see that Xabier disassembled the Albion RPG from x86 and rewrote it to run on arm (gp2x)?
Apr 30 21:12:32 <pupnik> http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=40684&st=15
Apr 30 21:12:32 <AStorm> fun stuff
Apr 30 21:12:39 <RST38h> pupnik: Urgh
Apr 30 21:12:49 <RST38h> Some people are really desperate =)
Apr 30 21:12:50 <qwerty12_N800> "inqtpl     [level]      Get/Set inquiry transmit power level" - anything relevant to power saving?
Apr 30 21:12:50 <AStorm> reading that much of x86 asm must've left him mad
Apr 30 21:12:55 <AStorm> as hatter
Apr 30 21:13:05 <KotCzarny> qwerty: it's not power level
Apr 30 21:13:14 <qwerty12_N800> :(
Apr 30 21:13:19 <KotCzarny> but keep looking
Apr 30 21:13:23 <pupnik> sorry wrong link
Apr 30 21:13:28 <KotCzarny> i think it's more like timeout
Apr 30 21:13:30 <RST38h> It really should be automated
Apr 30 21:13:35 <KotCzarny> or sleep time
Apr 30 21:13:44 <RST38h> Should be able to handle all but self-modifying code automatically
Apr 30 21:14:02 <AStorm> RST38h: not really
Apr 30 21:14:05 <qwerty12_N800> there is page timeout but not relevant afaik.
Apr 30 21:14:23 <AStorm> RST38h: then use qemu
Apr 30 21:14:34 <RST38h> No, I mean static recompilation
Apr 30 21:14:39 <AStorm> rewiting asm *efficiently* is hard
Apr 30 21:14:51 <RST38h> You don't have to do it VERY efficiently
Apr 30 21:15:00 <AStorm> RST38h: then port virtualbox to asm
Apr 30 21:15:26 <AStorm> or UAE
Apr 30 21:15:37 <AStorm> both use dynamic recompilation
Apr 30 21:15:43 <AStorm> JIT
Apr 30 21:15:50 <RST38h> same as qemu
Apr 30 21:16:22 <RST38h> but if you just have an dos app which is not using any special tricks, you should be able to recompile statically and get a plain arm executable
Apr 30 21:16:52 <pupnik> one chinese guy did that RST38h - forgot the name
Apr 30 21:17:02 <pupnik> it was a very simple game
Apr 30 21:17:12 <RST38h> I have seen this done with MSX executables by some Moldovan fellow
Apr 30 21:17:33 <RST38h> Although he later claimed the conversion was semi-automatic
Apr 30 21:17:41 <AStorm> RST38h: can't just store JITted code? :P
Apr 30 21:17:54 <AStorm> (after excercising all code paths)
Apr 30 21:17:58 <RST38h> I guess he had to deal with self-modification
Apr 30 21:18:06 <AStorm> yup
Apr 30 21:18:21 <AStorm> JIT will catch self-modification
Apr 30 21:19:15 <RST38h> but you won't be able to store all code paths this way ;)
Apr 30 21:19:34 <RST38h> Anyways, going to read a little bit and go sleep
Apr 30 21:20:22 <RST38h> And you all enjoy a picture from traditional Russian fertility celebrations that happen every spring: http://pics.livejournal.com/kotiy_pilat/pic/003h8xfx
Apr 30 21:20:46 <lardman> re
Apr 30 21:21:11 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, lol
Apr 30 21:21:17 <pupnik> wb lardman
Apr 30 21:21:24 <lardman> hey pupnik
Apr 30 21:21:30 <pupnik> cheers RST38h
Apr 30 21:22:07 <AStorm> RST38h: orgies? :P
Apr 30 21:22:16 <KotCzarny> falluses
Apr 30 21:22:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 21:24:31 <lardman> KotCzarny: spelled with ph- I think
Apr 30 21:24:41 <KotCzarny> ah, yes
Apr 30 21:24:53 <KotCzarny> i'm dizzy
Apr 30 21:27:43 * qwerty12_N800 hates dsmetool
Apr 30 21:28:41 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: what are you doing to annoy it so much?
Apr 30 21:29:17 <qwerty12_N800> I killed of btcond to test something. I didn't realise dsmetool tool starts
Apr 30 21:29:36 <qwerty12_N800> it with it's usual reboot if killed
Apr 30 21:29:52 <lardman> :)
Apr 30 21:30:18 <lardman> the blue LED comes on to signal that you've got about 1s of useful interaction time left :)
Apr 30 21:30:47 <KotCzarny> there should be a smoke generator included
Apr 30 21:30:48 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 21:30:48 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, not with powerlaunch then... :p :)
Apr 30 21:31:32 <qwerty12_N800> I'm sorely temped to edit all the boot scripts to remove the dsmetool running programs.
Apr 30 21:31:37 <lardman> oh right. I keep killing dsp_dld, and then try to fix it/get it running again until I see the blue glow out of the corner of my eye...
Apr 30 21:32:02 <lardman> qwerty12_N800: flasher flag?
Apr 30 21:32:12 <qwerty12_N800> there is one?
Apr 30 21:32:17 <lardman> yep
Apr 30 21:32:24 <lardman> disables the reboot
Apr 30 21:32:30 <qwerty12_N800> I had that exact thought atm
Apr 30 21:32:35 <qwerty12_N800> watchdog flag?
Apr 30 21:32:40 <lardman> yep
Apr 30 21:32:46 <qwerty12_N800> ah, thanks!
Apr 30 21:34:03 <lardman> np
Apr 30 21:34:21 <Ziegler> Anyone point me with some info on getting a usb keyboard to work on an n810?  I have a female:female usb adapter, and have USB-control installed.  It does not seem to do much for me so far... soo... looking for more information.
Apr 30 21:36:16 <lardman> take a look in dmesg output and see if anything is happening
Apr 30 21:36:23 <lardman> if not, perhaps you adaptor is not the right one
Apr 30 21:36:33 <Ziegler> ok one second
Apr 30 21:36:43 <lardman> use pastebin if you want to paste the output
Apr 30 21:36:45 <lardman> ~pastebin
Apr 30 21:36:47 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Apr 30 21:36:56 <Ziegler> I have to have a specific adapter even using usb-control ?
Apr 30 21:37:23 <lardman> I was more worried as to whether the wiring in you adaptors was right
Apr 30 21:49:51 <Ziegler> lardman: http://pastebin.ca/1003338
Apr 30 21:52:02 <lardman> hmm, I see reference to file_storage_gadget
Apr 30 21:52:12 <lardman> Should keyboards work out of the box?
Apr 30 21:52:49 <Ziegler> file storage gadget?
Apr 30 21:52:57 <Ziegler> I see that...
Apr 30 21:53:04 <Ziegler> but all I plugged in was a keyboard
Apr 30 21:53:34 <lardman> yeah, I'm just wondering if it's trying to claim the device as that module is loaded
Apr 30 21:53:43 <Ziegler> yeah thats odd
Apr 30 21:53:49 <lardman> whether you need to rmmod it, then insmod the hid modules
Apr 30 21:54:10 <lardman> I'm sure there was a thread on ITT about using usb keyboards; anyone?
Apr 30 21:54:19 <Ziegler> lardman I have seen some reference of usb keyboard working out of the box... but light on details
Apr 30 21:55:07 <penguinbait> johnx?
Apr 30 21:56:15 <Ziegler> bahh... gents sorry to question and dash, but priority calls.  I will follow up when  I get back in a bit.
Apr 30 21:56:51 <Ziegler> thank you for the time
Apr 30 21:57:01 <lardman> np, not that we helped much
Apr 30 22:04:35 <lardman> when planar data are written to a framebuffer, how are they arranged in memory?
Apr 30 22:05:11 <KotCzarny> in a plane?
Apr 30 22:05:16 <lardman> :)
Apr 30 22:05:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 22:05:39 <KotCzarny> just kidding
Apr 30 22:05:42 <lardman> I'm not sure how to draw this
Apr 30 22:05:45 <lardman> YYYY
Apr 30 22:05:47 <lardman> UUVV
Apr 30 22:05:59 <KotCzarny> repeat some values?
Apr 30 22:06:05 <lardman> oops missed off a row of YYYY
Apr 30 22:06:31 <lardman> you have a Y value for each pixel and the U and V are subsampled, in this case anway
Apr 30 22:06:40 <KotCzarny> maybe it's a plane of Ys then a plane of UVs ?
Apr 30 22:07:17 <lardman> ah yes, so a plane of Ys, then is it the complete subsampled U plane, or is it UV, UV, UV until we finish both planes?
Apr 30 22:07:36 <lardman> or rather UUUUUUVVVVVV depending on how large the image is
Apr 30 22:07:50 <KotCzarny> i would bet on UV UV UV, but i may be wrong
Apr 30 22:08:17 <lcuk> lardman :) xxvb told me that the framebuffer however takes packed planes
Apr 30 22:08:22 <lcuk> the pixels are interleaved
Apr 30 22:08:41 <lcuk> xv has a video mode which is planar access and thats what i use
Apr 30 22:08:55 <lardman> yep, but I need to know how to read the planar data so I can convert it
Apr 30 22:09:30 <lcuk> a whole array of pixels w*h    to do a pset for the grey data you do [y*w+x]
Apr 30 22:09:33 <kpel> hi all
Apr 30 22:10:50 <lardman> lcuk: yep, but if you wanted to update a partial region of a framebuffer using planar data, how would it be arranged in the rows & columns?
Apr 30 22:11:06 * lardman is feeling confused, too late in the evening
Apr 30 22:11:29 <lcuk> the formula i have just given should allow you to calculate the char offset from the start of the plane
Apr 30 22:12:12 <lardman> yes, but if I then want to place it into the centre of the framebuffer, i.e. with padding around the edges...
Apr 30 22:12:25 <lardman> http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt like that diagram
Apr 30 22:12:57 <lcuk> then you must work line by line,   a single point in the centre of a fullscreen window has offset [ 240*800+400 ]
Apr 30 22:13:13 <lcuk> that diagram explains the interleaved format of the lcd
Apr 30 22:13:19 <lcuk> that is not a bitplane
Apr 30 22:13:23 <flo_lap> good night
Apr 30 22:13:26 <lcuk> nite flo
Apr 30 22:13:30 <lardman> I know, but I'm wondering about planar formats
Apr 30 22:13:43 <lcuk> of course, planar formats are simpler :)
Apr 30 22:13:59 <lardman> ah, yes they are, of course
Apr 30 22:14:01 <lardman> silly me
Apr 30 22:14:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 22:14:38 <lcuk> do you want some xv code so you can "see" the planes, or are you wanting to output directly into interleaved format
Apr 30 22:15:18 <lcuk> and centring should be done via the lcd itself
Apr 30 22:16:14 <lardman> I'm guessing at how mplayer will pass frames of YV12 data, that's why I was wondering, but instead of doing that I'll just use a buffer which is the size of the data I pass
Apr 30 22:16:25 <lardman> and sort out the placement as I write it to the framebuffer
Apr 30 22:16:40 <lcuk> in this xv format i use, it contains 3 planes for the YCrCb format and automatically scales and centres the memory mapped planes
Apr 30 22:16:52 <penguinbait> johnx?
Apr 30 22:17:44 <lcuk> with the positioning code, i believe your blitter needs to output line spams to put the results back into a fixed location.
Apr 30 22:18:07 <lcuk> i get round it using my blit by specifying a single interline jump (i think its the stride)
Apr 30 22:18:10 <lardman> yes
Apr 30 22:19:41 <lcuk> http://pastebin.ca/1003364
Apr 30 22:19:45 <penguinbait> anybody used the Debian install and setup networking?
Apr 30 22:20:11 <johnx> penguinbait, me. :)
Apr 30 22:20:29 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 22:20:41 <johnx> just standard debian net setup
Apr 30 22:20:42 <lcuk> this is how i blit between two grey surfaces.  there is a pre-initialization function which sets the offsets and jumps but it writes strips for each line required at the locations required
Apr 30 22:20:42 <penguinbait> I got KDE fired up
Apr 30 22:20:47 <penguinbait> just for fun
Apr 30 22:20:56 <johnx> does it run ok?
Apr 30 22:20:58 <penguinbait> and an interface I can deal with
Apr 30 22:20:59 <penguinbait> yes
Apr 30 22:21:02 <penguinbait> no sound
Apr 30 22:21:05 <lardman> lcuk: ok, I'm not quite that far along yet
Apr 30 22:21:09 <johnx> :P
Apr 30 22:21:19 <penguinbait> can I request you change to user.users 29999.29999?
Apr 30 22:21:22 <penguinbait> ugh
Apr 30 22:21:39 <johnx> yeah, I probably will
Apr 30 22:21:46 <penguinbait> I didnt install anyhting for networking
Apr 30 22:21:50 <penguinbait> did ifconfig up
Apr 30 22:22:04 <penguinbait> iwconfig wlan0 essid qwerty
Apr 30 22:22:09 <penguinbait> my wide open AP
Apr 30 22:22:11 <johnx> *mumble*mumble* stupid nokia weird user UID...
Apr 30 22:22:36 <penguinbait> got and IP, and my resolv.conf is correct
Apr 30 22:22:47 <penguinbait> but nothing resolves?
Apr 30 22:23:01 <penguinbait> is there some trick to DNS?
Apr 30 22:23:09 <johnx> there shouldn't be
Apr 30 22:23:14 <johnx> you can ping IPs?
Apr 30 22:23:39 <lcuk> lardman, can you write the output to any arbitary location (including mmaped regions?)
Apr 30 22:23:42 <lardman> right, I've fed a specially constructed YV12 frame to the DSP and recovered the framebuffer after it's done the conversion, time to see what went where
Apr 30 22:23:54 <lardman> lcuk: yes
Apr 30 22:24:03 <penguinbait> oh
Apr 30 22:24:05 <lcuk> nice
Apr 30 22:24:17 <penguinbait> I think the USB network is screwing me
Apr 30 22:24:35 <johnx> probably a default gw issue
Apr 30 22:25:00 <penguinbait> which one
Apr 30 22:25:02 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 22:25:06 <penguinbait> I have 2
Apr 30 22:25:16 <penguinbait> dont know what the problem could be????????
Apr 30 22:25:30 <johnx> 2 default gw's is better than one, right?!
Apr 30 22:25:44 <penguinbait> uh
Apr 30 22:25:48 <penguinbait> no
Apr 30 22:25:57 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 30 22:26:00 <penguinbait> perhaps for cisco
Apr 30 22:27:00 <penguinbait> yeah DNS
Apr 30 22:27:04 <penguinbait> now I can install stuff
Apr 30 22:27:53 <johnx> wait, so you used your kde setup on it?
Apr 30 22:28:13 <penguinbait> yes
Apr 30 22:28:15 <penguinbait> my kde
Apr 30 22:28:17 <johnx> ahahaha
Apr 30 22:28:46 <penguinbait> I had to get out of hildon as fast as possible, It was killing me
Apr 30 22:29:49 <penguinbait> all I had to do to make it run is "chown -R user.user /home/user/.kde"
Apr 30 22:30:04 <penguinbait> my install has it going in at 29999.29999
Apr 30 22:30:16 <penguinbait> which makes it unwritable
Apr 30 22:30:39 <johnx> did you try epiphany-webkit?
Apr 30 22:30:54 <johnx> (though I imagine konqueror is just as fast)
Apr 30 22:31:29 <penguinbait> I will have to do some time testing on it
Apr 30 22:32:00 <penguinbait> I didn't get the network working until I got KDE up, so I coulnt use epiph
Apr 30 22:33:16 <penguinbait> time to load kpackage and see what I can find
Apr 30 22:34:03 <penguinbait> do all the hardware keys work?
Apr 30 22:34:59 <KotCzarny> yes, excluding 'fn'
Apr 30 22:35:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 22:36:56 <penguinbait> I think I should have enabled swap space before starting kpackage on Debian on n800.  It runs fine in maemo, but it only has a few packages.  I think I just ran out of memory :(
Apr 30 22:38:22 <penguinbait> and dead
Apr 30 22:49:18 <lardman> night chaps
Apr 30 22:49:23 <KotCzarny> night night
Apr 30 22:49:55 <KotCzarny> i should eat a breakfast
Apr 30 22:50:17 <woodwizzle> Anyone here using VNC?
Apr 30 22:51:13 <penguinbait> not at the moment
Apr 30 22:51:36 <woodwizzle> I'm trying to set it up so I can do remote desktop. I've run the server on the host system which is Titan:1 and I tried to connect from vncviewer using Titan:1 as the server, but it never connects
Apr 30 22:51:47 <woodwizzle> i've also tried using the ip address
Apr 30 22:52:08 <woodwizzle> I know I should be doing ssh tunneling, but I want to see if I can VNC on the local network first and then move on from there
Apr 30 22:52:16 <penguinbait> host is nokia device?
Apr 30 22:52:21 <penguinbait> or
Apr 30 22:52:32 <woodwizzle> No its the client
Apr 30 22:52:47 <woodwizzle> I want to be able to log into my home desktop from the nokia
Apr 30 22:52:58 <penguinbait> n800 or n810
Apr 30 22:53:06 <woodwizzle> n800
Apr 30 22:53:10 <woodwizzle> 2008OS
Apr 30 22:53:35 <penguinbait> there is not a trick to it, can you test your host from another PC?
Apr 30 22:53:52 <penguinbait> see if the host is actually functioning?
Apr 30 22:54:12 <woodwizzle> I can't at the moment. Don't have another PC here
Apr 30 22:54:27 <woodwizzle> but I'm physically at the host
Apr 30 22:55:23 <penguinbait> whats it running win xp?
Apr 30 22:55:38 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 30 22:55:43 <woodwizzle> Ubuntu 8.04
Apr 30 22:55:45 <KotCzarny> you have to run vnc server
Apr 30 22:55:47 <KotCzarny> on pc
Apr 30 22:55:59 <woodwizzle> I did, I ran tightvncserver :1
Apr 30 22:56:26 <KotCzarny> then vncviever host::1 should work
Apr 30 22:57:14 <woodwizzle> says it can't connect
Apr 30 22:57:26 <KotCzarny> nmap -p 5901 host
Apr 30 22:57:42 <penguinbait> thats where I was headed
Apr 30 22:58:08 <woodwizzle> nmap from the host or client?
Apr 30 22:58:24 <KotCzarny> from any other machine than host
Apr 30 22:58:41 <KotCzarny> on host you can simply do netstat -an |grep 5901
Apr 30 22:59:28 <KotCzarny> in other words check if it's running/is accessible from the network
Apr 30 23:01:34 <woodwizzle> netstat says tcp 0 0 0,0,0,0:5901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
Apr 30 23:01:55 <woodwizzle> those were supposed to be periods
Apr 30 23:03:32 <penguinbait> iptables -L
Apr 30 23:03:39 <penguinbait> is there some sort of firewall?
Apr 30 23:05:21 <woodwizzle> iptables shows nothing
Apr 30 23:05:25 <penguinbait> kpackage ate 128mb swap and climbing ooohh
Apr 30 23:05:29 <KotCzarny> all accept ?
Apr 30 23:05:44 <woodwizzle> yup
Apr 30 23:05:55 <woodwizzle> all 3
Apr 30 23:06:11 <KotCzarny> try vncviewer host_ip::1
Apr 30 23:06:54 <penguinbait> stick it on the internet I'll see if I can connect :)
Apr 30 23:09:49 <woodwizzle> could not connect
Apr 30 23:10:38 <KotCzarny> try with single ':' then
Apr 30 23:11:19 <woodwizzle> Nice!
Apr 30 23:11:26 <woodwizzle> big gray window with an Xterm
Apr 30 23:11:32 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 30 23:11:42 <KotCzarny> that's much for standards
Apr 30 23:11:51 <woodwizzle> lol
Apr 30 23:13:20 <KotCzarny> ok, i was wrong with the first line :)
Apr 30 23:15:01 <Cptnodegard> where in the internal file system is the canola folder?
Apr 30 23:15:11 <woodwizzle> I dunno what I was doing wrong before :(
Apr 30 23:16:10 <woodwizzle> oh well, now to set up my xstartup file and then onto ssh tunneling
Apr 30 23:36:38 <NullM0dem> I am about to unbox my n810 in an hour or so. Should i just plug it in to charge and forget about it. or can i use it during its initial charge, without stressing the battery?
Apr 30 23:38:40 <penguinbait> I used mine right out the box
Apr 30 23:38:55 <penguinbait> until I needed to chargs it
Apr 30 23:39:14 <penguinbait> johnx?
Apr 30 23:39:22 <johnx> penguinbait?
Apr 30 23:39:33 <penguinbait> hey, still playing
Apr 30 23:39:48 <penguinbait> is there some sources I need to add, I cant install anything
Apr 30 23:40:09 <johnx> aaah...yeah, it's on the old unofficial debian armel archive
Apr 30 23:40:36 <penguinbait> should I head back to the wiki?
Apr 30 23:40:39 <johnx> open /etc/apt/sources.list and remove "-ports" from both lines and apt-get update
Apr 30 23:40:44 <johnx> nope, not on the wiki
Apr 30 23:40:52 <johnx> it changed while I was taking a break from Debian
Apr 30 23:42:33 <penguinbait> I wonder if kpackage will work now.
Apr 30 23:42:50 <penguinbait> it killed device twice, second time had 600MB swaap
Apr 30 23:42:55 <penguinbait> still died
Apr 30 23:43:40 <johnx> "I don't support the use of KDE." :)
Apr 30 23:43:58 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 23:44:01 <penguinbait> I do :)
Apr 30 23:44:22 <johnx> good, if I release this with KDE I'll just send the users with problems to you :D
Apr 30 23:44:31 <penguinbait> I spent 20 minutes trying to install ssh
Apr 30 23:44:37 <penguinbait> its already installed
Apr 30 23:44:40 <penguinbait> hehe
Apr 30 23:45:02 <johnx> yeah... it's barely even linux without ssh, IMNSHO
Apr 30 23:45:16 <KotCzarny> yup, no ssh no fun
Apr 30 23:45:47 <johnx> my initial install process on a new linux device is something like: apt-get install screen rsync ssh
Apr 30 23:46:05 <KotCzarny> i add mc
Apr 30 23:46:06 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 23:46:25 <NullM0dem> penguinbait: you were one of the first to port KDE right?
Apr 30 23:46:30 <johnx> if cp/mv/ls was good enough for K&H, then it's good enough for me
Apr 30 23:46:45 <KotCzarny> heh
Apr 30 23:46:55 <penguinbait> I think I am the only to port KDE to Nokia devices?
Apr 30 23:47:37 <NullM0dem> I cringe at compiling it from source for slackware
Apr 30 23:47:39 <NullM0dem> :-P
Apr 30 23:48:09 <penguinbait> Between RPM and DEB's, I'll take sources anyday :)
Apr 30 23:48:54 <NullM0dem> your windowmaker vid on youtube prompted me to buy a n810
Apr 30 23:48:57 <NullM0dem> thanks!
Apr 30 23:49:32 <sbz> yeaaaaaaaaah
Apr 30 23:49:35 <penguinbait> its pretty old, that was the first alternate window manager on Nokia
Apr 30 23:50:02 <penguinbait> I really never thought KDE would work :)
Apr 30 23:50:08 <sbz> i have synergy beetween my laptop, my pc and my n800 and it's work quite good
Apr 30 23:50:58 <NullM0dem> konq seems like it would be very usefull. Fish:// ftp:// etc
Apr 30 23:51:10 <penguinbait> fish is awesome :)
Apr 30 23:51:49 <NullM0dem> im at work and my n810 is in a box at home, i cannot focus....
Apr 30 23:51:59 <KotCzarny> :>
Apr 30 23:52:11 <NullM0dem> i feel like a kid
Apr 30 23:52:31 <Cptnodegard> tell them ur sick and go home
Apr 30 23:52:31 <penguinbait> every time :)
Apr 30 23:52:52 <penguinbait> your sick, dogs puking, whatever you can come up with
Apr 30 23:52:57 <penguinbait> :)
Apr 30 23:52:59 <NullM0dem> haha
Apr 30 23:53:04 <NullM0dem> just one hour left
Apr 30 23:53:08 <Cptnodegard> package deliveries when youre away is definite proof that god is dead and satan has a bad sense of humour :D
Apr 30 23:53:22 <KotCzarny> well
Apr 30 23:53:24 <KotCzarny> not true
Apr 30 23:53:35 <KotCzarny> devil would leave a postman's note
Apr 30 23:53:41 <NullM0dem> neweggs fault they shipped 2 days aftere i placed my order
Apr 30 23:53:42 <KotCzarny> 'sorry, you weren't home'
Apr 30 23:54:02 <KotCzarny> 'i left it in the bushes'
Apr 30 23:54:32 <NullM0dem> UPS did that too me once, drove right by., i was the last stop he decided to go home.
Apr 30 23:54:38 <johnx> PS, no, no, not the ones near your house. the *other* ones. Have fun looking!
Apr 30 23:55:05 <NullM0dem> the company made him punch in and bring me my package
Apr 30 23:55:09 <KotCzarny> 'pps, get the shovel'
Apr 30 23:55:33 <NullM0dem> that would be evil
Apr 30 23:56:02 <KotCzarny> 'ppps, and pepper spray for the dog'
Apr 30 23:57:42 <lopz> wow amsn running in the N800 :O
Apr 30 23:57:56 <sbz> it's really funny :)
Apr 30 23:58:15 <NullM0dem> Is thier a list somewhere for n800 apps that need to be ported to the n810?
Apr 30 23:58:46 <KotCzarny> most just compile out of the box
Apr 30 23:58:47 <KotCzarny> :)
Apr 30 23:58:48 <NullM0dem> I plan on doing alot of porting as my job is helpdesk and my brain rots
Apr 30 23:58:55 <penguinbait> johnx, still no packages?
Apr 30 23:59:03 <NullM0dem> thats good to know
Apr 30 23:59:15 <KotCzarny> but if you can find easy way to 'hildonize an app' that would help many
Apr 30 23:59:19 <johnx> penguinbait, I don't know. You tell me. :P
Apr 30 23:59:33 <penguinbait> I am still getting 404 on update
May 01 00:00:07 <johnx> ah, take out the line with "unreleased"
May 01 00:00:09 <penguinbait> is yours working?
May 01 00:00:10 <NullM0dem> Iv'e read the developers tutorial... i have no problems diving into the sources
May 01 00:00:19 <johnx> you should have just deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main
May 01 00:01:51 <penguinbait> still 404
May 01 00:02:03 <penguinbait> yes I am connected to the internet :)
May 01 00:02:38 <johnx> hmm, fun
May 01 00:03:05 <johnx> maybe try a country code debian mirror: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian or similar
May 01 00:04:02 <penguinbait> looking much better
May 01 00:04:06 <penguinbait> thanks
May 01 00:06:22 <johnx> cool
May 01 00:07:44 <penguinbait> opening kpackage again, seeing if its gonna core dump again
May 01 00:08:15 <johnx> ah, is this still from your KDE install?
May 01 00:08:41 <penguinbait> yes
May 01 00:08:53 <penguinbait> 83MB swap and climbing
May 01 00:09:17 <johnx> maybe it's worth me doing a clean KDE install from Debian as a sanity check
May 01 00:09:55 <penguinbait> I am just playing
May 01 00:10:09 <johnx> still, I want to see KDE on my tablet. :)
May 01 00:10:20 <johnx> especially for konqueror
May 01 00:10:23 <penguinbait> 133mb swap and climbing, becoming unresponsive
May 01 00:10:37 <Robot101> elb: btw, nice blog post
May 01 00:10:38 <KotCzarny> fire the torpedoes!
May 01 00:10:39 <penguinbait> Konq is working great
May 01 00:11:04 <penguinbait> 150
May 01 00:11:30 <penguinbait> takes about a minute to press up arrow, and enter to see free in xterm
May 01 00:11:34 <penguinbait> its dying
May 01 00:11:51 <KotCzarny> oom-killer should finish it
May 01 00:12:11 <penguinbait> 165
May 01 00:13:06 <NullM0dem> wow thats some latency there buddy
May 01 00:13:59 <NullM0dem> there must be a way to optimize it
May 01 00:16:20 <penguinbait> clock is still working
May 01 00:16:31 <penguinbait> I think that may be it though :)
May 01 00:24:50 <penguinbait> 200MB
May 01 00:27:49 <NullM0dem> penguinbait: you trimmed kde down to 200megs?
May 01 00:28:06 <penguinbait> no
May 01 00:28:20 <penguinbait> the bzip is about 310
May 01 00:28:22 <penguinbait> mb
May 01 00:28:29 <NullM0dem> ah
May 01 00:28:29 <penguinbait> its about 1.1GB
May 01 00:28:40 <NullM0dem> yes, its huge
May 01 00:28:45 <penguinbait> its not just KDE though
May 01 00:28:58 <NullM0dem> koffice as well?
May 01 00:29:04 <penguinbait> ghostscript, cups, samba, koffice
May 01 00:29:26 <penguinbait> and many others
May 01 00:30:05 <NullM0dem> the goods...   I like kde's central documentation setup
May 01 00:31:28 <penguinbait> 211MB but package tree is building, about 20%, I think its gonna finish
May 01 00:31:37 <penguinbait> in about another hour
May 01 00:31:43 <penguinbait> NETSPLAT
May 01 00:33:54 <elb> Robot101: which one, Giving Back?
May 01 00:34:23 <KotCzarny> wrong chan?
May 01 00:34:49 <Robot101> elb: yes
May 01 00:35:01 <elb> Robot101: thanks
May 01 00:35:22 <elb> I thought it was pretty reasonable and collected
May 01 00:35:33 <elb> I got at least two pieces of hate mail over it, though ;-)
May 01 00:35:37 <Robot101> elb: pretty reminiscent of http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html
May 01 00:35:52 <Robot101> elb: gah... its a shame this has turned into such a debacle.
May 01 00:38:27 <elb> Robot101: yeah
May 01 00:38:43 <elb> our position is completely misrepresented at pretty much every turn
May 01 00:39:08 <elb> (note that my blog post even says, flat out, that if this turns out to be the wrong idea, we'll abandon it, for example)
May 01 00:39:19 <johnx> this is about pidgin? yeah, slashdot put the typical /. spin on it, too...
May 01 00:39:22 <elb> but our voices really aren't heard, so ...
May 01 00:40:11 <penguinbait> it sounds like the government :)
May 01 00:41:02 <KotCzarny> *splat*
May 01 00:41:31 <penguinbait> sorry, I mentioned the government :(
May 01 00:42:03 <NullM0dem> haha
May 01 00:43:00 <penguinbait> fudge monkeys
May 01 00:43:14 <NullM0dem> I had a crazy synchronicity a few years back, everytime i  said microsoft sucks i would get bounced of yahoo messenger, It happend 5 times in a row... turns out the cable company was doing line work :-P
May 01 00:43:41 <KotCzarny> :)
May 01 00:44:01 <penguinbait> 215MB swap, 99%complete - REBOOTED
May 01 00:44:12 <KotCzarny> lol
May 01 00:44:15 <KotCzarny> fun killer
May 01 00:44:15 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 01 00:44:46 <NullM0dem> 20 minutes till i unbox :-D
May 01 00:45:06 <penguinbait> Null, do you currently have a device?
May 01 00:45:10 <NullM0dem> should i run 32 bit linux to flash an updated OS
May 01 00:45:11 <NullM0dem> no
May 01 00:45:15 <KotCzarny> ..and spot that it's missing
May 01 00:45:21 <NullM0dem> only scratchbox
May 01 00:45:41 <woodwizzle> can VNC not forward 3d accelerated apps?
May 01 00:45:45 <penguinbait> you will enjoy it, I am sure
May 01 00:46:26 <penguinbait> null, you can flash with linux 32bit or windows
May 01 00:46:40 <NullM0dem> I have been waiting for a capable tablet pc for many years, i was always let down by the palms / ipaqs
May 01 00:46:56 <NullM0dem> ok, i run 64 currently
May 01 00:46:56 <KotCzarny> nm: well, define 'capable'
May 01 00:46:58 <KotCzarny> :)
May 01 00:47:15 <NullM0dem> simply just a way to read ebooks and surf
May 01 00:47:16 <penguinbait> I was eying zaurus and ipaq for a while
May 01 00:47:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 01 00:47:23 <johnx> isn't there a staticly linked flasher?
May 01 00:47:33 <NullM0dem> i have 3 ipaqs, they collect dust
May 01 00:47:37 <penguinbait> yes,
May 01 00:47:40 <NullM0dem> 3900 series
May 01 00:48:12 <johnx> devices without hardware keyboards or *really good* onscreen keyboards are hard to love
May 01 00:48:34 <KotCzarny> depends on use
May 01 00:48:34 <KotCzarny> :)
May 01 00:48:44 <penguinbait> depends on definition
May 01 00:48:54 <NullM0dem> the ipaqs serve as a decent universal remote thats about it
May 01 00:49:16 <johnx> NullM0dem, have you tried Linux on them? or is the 3900 not supported well?
May 01 00:49:28 <penguinbait> matchbox keyboard in nokia hildon works great, matchbox keyboard in Debian build makes me want to throw my n800 at the wall
May 01 00:49:33 <penguinbait> no offense :)
May 01 00:49:45 <NullM0dem> they run linux very well, im cheap and wont buyt the serial cable
May 01 00:49:52 <penguinbait> hehe
May 01 00:50:07 <NullM0dem> I used matcbox on my thinkpad 600e for a while, a few years back
May 01 00:50:11 <penguinbait> send me an ipaq, I will buy one :)
May 01 00:50:14 <NullM0dem> 400mhz pii
May 01 00:50:15 <NullM0dem> sure
May 01 00:50:19 <penguinbait> why?
May 01 00:50:19 <NullM0dem> they need batts
May 01 00:50:25 <johnx> none taken
May 01 00:50:28 <johnx> it's a huge PITA
May 01 00:50:48 <penguinbait> johnx, it does work better under my kde version
May 01 00:51:01 <NullM0dem> penquinbait: they need battery's, i would let one go
May 01 00:51:05 <johnx> the nice big onscreen Nokia thumboard is closed source for some reason
May 01 00:51:14 <penguinbait> it shrinks the size of konsole when turned on, and resizes when turned off
May 01 00:51:42 <penguinbait> I never used the thumb board
May 01 00:51:47 <penguinbait> never ever
May 01 00:52:13 <johnx> I rarely use the small osk
May 01 00:52:34 <penguinbait> I always use that one on my n800
May 01 00:52:51 <Ziegler> back... anyone aware of some documentation to get usb-control working with a USB keyboard and the n810?
May 01 00:53:16 <penguinbait> is it morning already?
May 01 00:53:44 <johnx> Ziegler, is the usb keyboard not getting enough power perhaps?
May 01 00:54:14 <Ziegler> ah.. yeah that could be
May 01 00:54:17 <johnx> the basic documentation is: install usb-control, run it, click host, type things
May 01 00:55:10 <Ziegler> how much current is the n810 capable of providing?
May 01 00:55:23 <johnx> 100mA I think
May 01 00:55:31 <johnx> or was it 200mA?
May 01 00:55:49 <penguinbait> I would think enough for a keyboard
May 01 00:56:00 <NullM0dem> Ill be back later, going to unbox :-D  penguinbait: i will definatly send you an ipaq if you are serious.
May 01 00:56:28 <penguinbait> batter huh
May 01 00:56:45 <penguinbait> have fun
May 01 00:56:51 <johnx> it depends on the keyboard. I believe some people even had keyboards that work but fail or crash their n8x0 when they hit more than a few keys at once
May 01 00:57:12 <Ziegler> hmm
May 01 00:57:31 <johnx> if you could pastebin the messages from dmesg right after you plug it in and switch to host mode, that would help
May 01 00:57:36 <NullM0dem> sounds like a software issue
May 01 00:58:00 <Ziegler> coming right up ;-)
May 01 00:58:18 <Ziegler> http://pastebin.ca/1003338
May 01 00:58:25 <Ziegler> this was from earlier
May 01 00:58:36 <Ziegler> look down near the bottom
May 01 00:58:51 <Ziegler> btw... what is EAC mode?
May 01 01:04:00 <johnx> well, ok, I have no real idea
May 01 01:04:05 <Ziegler> lol
May 01 01:04:18 <Ziegler> cool
May 01 01:04:18 <johnx> Can you try anything else?
May 01 01:04:22 <Ziegler> mouse?
May 01 01:04:27 <Ziegler> one sec....
May 01 01:04:34 <johnx> hmm...nothing will happen with the mouse
May 01 01:04:41 <johnx> do you have a flash drive?
May 01 01:04:54 <Ziegler> yeah... let me grab it
May 01 01:07:40 <Ziegler> ok... whats supposed to happen?
May 01 01:11:21 <Ziegler> woah
May 01 01:11:21 <Ziegler> split
May 01 01:12:46 <Ziegler> johnx: you here?
May 01 01:12:56 <KotCzarny> who splatted the net again?
May 01 01:13:04 * johnx is here
May 01 01:13:11 <johnx> did I miss something during the split?
May 01 01:14:01 <Ziegler> johnx: plugged in the usb flah
May 01 01:14:04 <Ziegler> flash
May 01 01:14:24 <Ziegler> nothing
May 01 01:15:01 <johnx> hmm, you tried tapping host in usbcontrol again?
May 01 01:15:06 <Ziegler> yeah
May 01 01:15:11 <Ziegler> what is supposed to happen?
May 01 01:15:45 <johnx> it's supposed to popup a little message box telling you it detected something, then mount the drive and bring up the file manager
May 01 01:16:05 <johnx> if it gets an unsupported device it should at least say "unsupported"
May 01 01:16:16 <Ziegler> yeah... nothing
May 01 01:16:26 <johnx> though I have had a usb flash drive that takes too much power to work
May 01 01:16:33 <Navi> Lol
May 01 01:16:35 <Ziegler> hehe
May 01 01:16:40 <johnx> I assumed that it was rare and poorly designed (hence why it was on sale)
May 01 01:16:55 <Navi> 2GB flash drives are so cheap now
May 01 01:16:59 <Ziegler> imation 1gb
May 01 01:17:03 <ds3> maybe it uses an oven to minimize flash write times? ;)
May 01 01:17:11 <ds3> (or is that a fridge?)
May 01 01:17:19 <johnx> they weren't as cheap a couple years ago when I was trying to use this with my zaurus
May 01 01:17:38 <Navi> I bought a 512MB drive for like, 70 bucks a couple of years ago
May 01 01:17:51 <Ziegler> anyone know what EAC mode listed in dmseg is?
May 01 01:18:00 <johnx> something about sound I would assume
May 01 01:18:15 <Ziegler> ah
May 01 01:18:20 <Ziegler> that maxes sence
May 01 01:18:25 <Ziegler> sense
May 01 01:18:36 <Ziegler> (I just cant type)
May 01 01:18:56 <t_s_o> hmm, it seems i have trouble with autenticating (or something like that) package from extra recently...
May 01 01:20:00 <penguinbait> sense you retype?
May 01 01:20:18 <Ziegler> makes*
May 01 01:20:36 <penguinbait> hehe
May 01 01:20:39 <Ziegler> ;P
May 01 01:21:03 <Ziegler> thats what happens when I try to read and type all at once
May 01 01:21:56 <penguinbait> yeah yeah, just keep your eyes on the road!!
May 01 01:28:19 * johnx|zaurus is starting to get fed up with his via mobo chipset and hardy herons inability to cope with it...
May 01 01:31:14 <Navi> heh
May 01 01:31:21 <Ziegler> :)
May 01 01:32:43 <johnx|zaurus> back laterish
May 01 01:49:07 <Gumersindo> zi wenaz
May 01 01:54:57 <HeMoXa94> wEnAz
May 01 02:11:45 <NullM0dem_N810> :-D
May 01 02:12:56 <woodwizzle> I'm having a little trouble with VNC, though its on the server side, not the client side
May 01 02:14:22 <woodwizzle> I can edit the geomety of the VNC server if I use tightvncserver. But then I can't get a full gnome desktop. I get a full gnomme desktop using ubuntu's built in server: Vino, but it is running at my monitors full resolution, I would need to drop it down to 800x480 if possible.
May 01 02:58:05 <adam_> anyone has an opinion on some of the different fm transmitters that are compatible with the n800 series
May 01 02:58:32 <adam_> im looking for something that has usb connection and 12v plug in
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