**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 01 02:59:56 2008 May 01 03:18:44 adam_: I'm interested in that, too May 01 03:20:17 christefano: I found a couple at best buy that sound pretty good from reviews but I still want a first hand opinion from someone with a similar device May 01 03:20:47 right May 01 03:28:57 hmm May 01 03:36:38 fm transmitters suck May 01 03:37:10 I have a Philips of some sort ... its audio quality is fair at best May 01 03:37:11 I'm going to need one for the car radio. May 01 03:37:24 use a cassette adaptor if you can May 01 03:37:41 this radio doesn't have a cassette player :( May 01 04:19:02 johnx, what's going to be in the next debian release? May 01 04:19:33 my goals are rotation support, xfce for the desktop and working n810/usb keyboard support May 01 04:19:45 something else you want me to work on? May 01 04:20:03 (given that I don't want to hold the next release up for sound support) May 01 04:20:25 That's good. May 01 04:21:15 Keyboard would be the biggest thing May 01 04:21:35 ah, and last thing: kernel messages during boot! May 01 04:21:51 people will be able to see what failed. it will be revolutionary May 01 04:22:09 Woo May 01 04:22:22 johnx: eh? May 01 04:22:39 people will be able to pull out their magnifying glasses and see text for a split second? May 01 04:23:00 more like 45 seconds with the current debian boot speed May 01 04:23:04 but yeah May 01 04:23:17 you guys and your revolutions May 01 04:23:19 also, some people have run into problems and have no good way to debug them May 01 04:23:29 problems w/ what? May 01 04:23:47 debian booting. the problem is I don't know what their problems are :) May 01 04:23:47 itos/maemo support sysklogd if you want to install it May 01 04:24:12 and what's wrong w/ dmesg/ May 01 04:24:41 and so does debian, but sometimes the errors happen early in boot and keep them from ever getting to a point where syslogd starts or they can even get a shell May 01 04:26:05 anyways, as long as they're going to install a whole other geeky distribution it might as well live up to their expectations of geekiness by scrolling boot messages at them May 01 04:26:14 heh May 01 04:31:11 johnx, if we're going the geeky path, make dwm the default wm May 01 04:31:12 :D May 01 04:31:38 hey if I go that far it might as well be twm May 01 04:31:44 don't tempt me :P May 01 04:31:44 hehe May 01 04:31:50 Do eet May 01 04:32:38 that would be kind of awesome to have an all text bootup and just drop off users in twm with an xterm and a little on screen keyboard May 01 04:32:51 indeed May 01 04:33:02 "yay! now you have debian! why did you want it again?" May 01 04:33:21 does screen rotation need flashing? May 01 04:34:19 [o.t.] May 01 04:34:24 not a whole flash. you just need to flash the kernel May 01 04:34:32 is that DebianWindowManager? May 01 04:34:40 so rootfs and initfs stays May 01 04:35:02 ah May 01 04:35:41 i cloned the os to a caed so i'd have more room for appa May 01 04:35:50 apps May 01 04:36:33 now i'm afraid to touch cause that took me a few hours May 01 04:36:38 but i really want the rotation May 01 04:37:59 what for? May 01 04:41:03 onlineness May 01 04:42:02 ?? May 01 04:42:02 have you tried it ? May 01 04:42:08 yes May 01 04:42:11 it's fun May 01 04:42:27 some apps have quirks, but overall useful May 01 04:44:52 n800n, just rsync a copy of your card somewhere before you install it May 01 04:45:00 that's the beauty of boot from sd :) May 01 04:45:12 yeah May 01 04:45:18 or just clone the cloned partition May 01 04:45:19 :) May 01 04:45:32 it's also faster May 01 04:46:06 i wish i would have an even bigger partition for the os tho May 01 04:46:23 why not just take up the whole card? May 01 04:46:26 whats stoping you? May 01 04:47:03 i followed penguinbait's guide to the letter, a few weeks ago May 01 04:47:29 do you have a linux desktop and a card reader? May 01 04:47:55 when partitioning the disk, use different numbers May 01 04:48:16 aaah, the OS partition is partition 2, right? May 01 04:48:24 yeah May 01 04:48:39 sorry, slow typer with the stylus May 01 04:49:04 ended up with 2gb for the os May 01 04:49:14 on a 8gb card May 01 04:49:24 is there a way to get the hand writing recognition to behave like the palm grafitti does? May 01 04:50:05 you can train it May 01 04:50:23 if you figure out a way to go through 2GB of space I promise to be surprised :) May 01 04:50:49 93% is taken up atm May 01 04:50:49 i guess the biggest thing for me is the way it adds spaces if I space to far apart. If I want a space, I'll do a swipe May 01 04:51:09 johnx: KDE will do that easy! May 01 04:51:37 isn't it only about 1GB? May 01 04:51:52 hm i'm wrong, nm May 01 04:51:53 1.5, May 01 04:52:06 fair enough then May 01 04:52:09 lol May 01 04:52:47 I have an 8GH SDHC just to be sure I dont run out of space. But I do need a 16GB SDHC for vifeos too :D May 01 04:53:22 we need more slots May 01 04:53:43 could another card be mounted via usb? May 01 04:53:57 johnx: is there a way to improve the sound quality of the bluetooth? a2dp or mono, either one...it sounds so bad on bluetooth that I wont even use it.... May 01 04:54:41 WorkingOnWise, can you hear a difference between a2dp and mono? May 01 04:54:59 also, does it sound different when paired with another computer? May 01 04:55:25 johnx: yeah, a2dp is better but still not doing justice conpared to my cell for listening to music May 01 04:55:38 paired to my cell it sounds GREAT May 01 04:56:33 bluetooth audio in Hardy is still a joke, so I cant pair fully to know how it sounds paired to a PC May 01 04:56:45 does it sound more staticky on the N800? or is it that it drops out from time to time May 01 04:56:47 n800n, yea, i connected a usb flash stick May 01 04:57:04 WorkingOnWise, bt audio in hardy works for me May 01 04:57:07 nice! May 01 04:57:25 does it need power? May 01 04:57:25 johnx: way more staticky. it is a little cleared on a2dp, but dropps more from the cpu use... May 01 04:57:33 not the one i used May 01 04:57:38 unfortunately it was one of the things that *did* work. I'm installing debian now on my pc (ing on my n800) May 01 04:57:39 usb keyboard works too May 01 04:58:05 powerless too? May 01 04:58:07 WorkingOnWise, and you're positive that it's using a2dp. Does mplayer say reasonable things when it stats up? May 01 04:58:46 johnx: I watched the NIT video it came with, stereo sound there May 01 04:58:58 yea, didnt have ot use a powered hub May 01 04:58:58 with MPlayer May 01 04:59:28 nice, i gotta get a tiny usb kb then May 01 05:00:18 is there any way to improve the quality? It sounds great with headphones plugged in. May 01 05:01:35 probably not until someone else steps up and optimizes bluez-audio stuff and cleans it up (not me :P) or Nokia does May 01 05:02:15 it's possible that your headphones want a specific frequency or something, in which case there might be something you can do with alsa for them May 01 05:02:36 you'd have to look at the output of mplayer and see what it says about kind of stuff May 01 05:04:00 ping May 01 05:04:58 When I enable virtual memory in the control panel, shouldn't I see that there is swap when I run 'free'? May 01 05:06:00 I think so, yes May 01 05:06:17 I'm not. :/ May 01 05:07:36 puter froze on me.....i didne see anything from you johnx after I told you I had stereo sound watching the NIT movie.... May 01 05:08:10 it's funny, cause I saw your ping May 01 05:08:17 you did? May 01 05:08:25 both? May 01 05:08:49 just one, right before you quit May 01 05:09:11 ah. My log shows both went thru...I love Charter! May 01 05:09:42 anyways, bt audio won't improve unless someone does the work, and that's not me :) May 01 05:10:01 Maybe Nokia will surprise us in Diablo May 01 05:10:17 so it's a software issue, not hardware? May 01 05:10:30 or at that point, maybe someone will finally get fed up with the status-quo and steup up to fix things May 01 05:10:44 I think it's software, yes May 01 05:10:48 bt audio support is mostly a series of unimplemented features May 01 05:11:22 rumours are the n820 will have a golden, diamond-studded stylus May 01 05:11:22 hey timelyx :-) May 01 05:11:27 I am already surprised. Suprised that it made it out of the dev department with all there half implimented features May 01 05:11:29 BTW, WorkingOnWise, you should look through mplayer's output (set to verbose) and see if maybe it's not picking the right rate for your headphones or something May 01 05:12:25 the tablets are thoroughly an experiment at Nokia at this point I think. Maybe that will change and they'll focus more attention on them, but for now... May 01 05:12:27 johnx: ok. I'll do that. But that wouldnt explain the poor quality with a2dp turned off would it? May 01 05:12:34 hi czr May 01 05:12:35 you in town? May 01 05:12:45 timelyx, yup. you? May 01 05:12:48 yup May 01 05:12:55 food at some point? May 01 05:12:57 my mac doesn't leave town fwiw, May 01 05:13:03 yeah that could be doable May 01 05:13:06 they sure are johnx. Too bad. I cant recommend it to non-geeks at all May 01 05:13:20 fwiw i've started writing the microb-diablo release notes May 01 05:13:41 or rather, collecting the 800ish lines of notes that will become human readable eventually May 01 05:13:46 timelyx, cool. although I haven't been working on/with/even close to maemo for some months now :-) May 01 05:13:52 can you tell us anything, or are you teasing us? :P May 01 05:14:12 johnx: most of what i'm doing is converting changelogs into human readable text May 01 05:14:26 right, but the things in those changelogs :) May 01 05:14:43 new version of gecko? hidden jet pack? that kinda thing May 01 05:14:44 most of our change logs are public... May 01 05:14:52 except the secret ones! May 01 05:15:05 czr: ok, half of our change logs are publc? May 01 05:15:12 ah, well I should take a look then :) May 01 05:15:13 fair nuff :-) May 01 05:15:22 * timelyx sighs May 01 05:15:32 yay, there we go, virtual memory created May 01 05:15:45 * czr always assumes the non-public stuff contains something interesting. however, so far it's been mostly as boring as the public stuff :-) May 01 05:16:19 * timelyx kicks garage May 01 05:16:37 hrm May 01 05:16:44 there are about 3 useful non public things i can think of May 01 05:16:51 and they're basically entirely new packages May 01 05:17:37 any idea whether diablo will be out this year? if so, they'll need to name it creatively May 01 05:17:45 IT2008 + 1/2. May 01 05:17:55 they already announced the name May 01 05:18:02 oh. what is it? May 01 05:18:03 didn't you read the wimax edition announcement? May 01 05:18:19 I've been working on other stuff timelyx :-) May 01 05:18:31 http://www.nseries.com/products/n810_wme/index.html May 01 05:18:34 protocol design and embedded system bootstrapping.. May 01 05:18:35 one of my favorite pages May 01 05:18:38 Nokia N810 Internet Tablet
WiMAX Edition May 01 05:18:43 heh May 01 05:18:49 note the footnotes in VERY LARGE TEXT May 01 05:18:56 because they're so VERY IMPORTANT May 01 05:19:02 "This site requires Flash 8 or higher. Click below to install Flash." May 01 05:19:08 ignore that? May 01 05:19:09 that's why I probably didn't read the announcement. May 01 05:19:10 use noscript May 01 05:19:23 oh darn May 01 05:19:28 it isn't in this buggy page May 01 05:19:30 it's in the other one May 01 05:19:44 there is another page with bugs? oh my.. :-) May 01 05:20:08 well, it has to be one or the other... May 01 05:20:28 nevermind! May 01 05:20:31 http://www.nokiausa.com/n810wimax May 01 05:20:38 be sure to use noscript May 01 05:20:49 http://www.nokiausa.com/A4952190 May 01 05:20:53 has the specifications May 01 05:20:54 ignore the bugs May 01 05:21:04 Internet Tablet OS: maemo Linux based OS 2008 feature upgrade May 01 05:21:18 that's the name according to that spec page May 01 05:21:34 and it's the marketing page, so it must be right, right? May 01 05:21:43 (ignore the bugs, the page averages one bug per two lines) May 01 05:21:56 wow. I turned off a2dp and removed it totally, paired my S9 headset to the N800, and made a Skype test call. I have full duplex audio but it cuts so bad theres no way I could make a call with it!. Is this something I'll just have to live with? May 01 05:22:13 yeah, just found the name. it feels.. silly :-) May 01 05:22:30 czr: i thought it was cute :) May 01 05:22:44 it's like one course that N specced for us some time ago: "C development for Linux developers" May 01 05:22:46 WorkingOnWise, I have no idea, but skype calls over bt work fine for me and the a2dp hack *shouldn't* affect them May 01 05:22:48 which I thought was quite funny. May 01 05:23:06 obviously we started out by printing out lifesize cardboard figures of the most prominent kernel devs May 01 05:23:19 as opposed to C development for cavemen? May 01 05:23:28 * czr coughs May 01 05:23:35 johnx_hmmm....your on OS2008, right? May 01 05:23:46 well, I'd assume that Linux developers generally don't need a course in C. May 01 05:23:51 johnx_: C for Symbian Developers May 01 05:23:51 czr, that sounds like an awesome course May 01 05:24:12 sssshhh timelyx :-) May 01 05:24:15 timelyx, ah, that would make sense May 01 05:24:21 WorkingOnWise, yes May 01 05:24:30 I think that for 90% of participants that is true actuall May 01 05:24:34 actually even. May 01 05:24:35 I'm gonna grab my wifes bt. its the same device, but maybe my paid is fubar May 01 05:24:37 I guess there could be C development for people who aren't developers May 01 05:24:41 but I don't train anymore so I could care less :-) May 01 05:24:51 czr: you upgradd? May 01 05:24:52 C development for project damagers? May 01 05:25:07 timeless, upgrade to what? May 01 05:25:11 WorkingOnWise, all bt headsets/headphones can behave differently. My *headphones crash* if I feed them strange data for example May 01 05:25:15 not doing training? May 01 05:25:27 project managers c development all the time, and if you're lucky, that's all they do May 01 05:25:43 * Grackle makes bad puns and jokes about management May 01 05:25:44 timeless, ah. just got fed up with the whole thing. the whole maemo material development thingy really bugged me out. so I'm doing other stuff now. real stuff. May 01 05:26:07 Grackle: no such thing is there? May 01 05:26:15 as bad puns.... May 01 05:26:34 Most people would say the opposite :P May 01 05:26:40 "all puns are bad puns" May 01 05:27:48 there are rather good ones in monty pythons though May 01 05:28:01 hehe May 01 05:28:14 been rewatching all their production of late May 01 05:28:30 my neighbours must think I've gone over the edge. May 01 05:29:32 heh May 01 05:30:07 johnx: btw, i just read; May 01 05:30:08 Browser powered by Mozilla with state-of-the-art web standard support including AJAX May 01 05:30:22 so i can announce we support "including AJAX" May 01 05:30:46 the dish soap? or the Greek? May 01 05:30:53 the soap May 01 05:30:57 rawk! May 01 05:31:48 having AJAX built in sounds useful though. to get all that marketing droid dirt out of the pages? May 01 05:33:28 :P May 01 05:37:13 * n800n kicks steve jobs in the nuts May 01 05:37:22 * czr feels the sudden upspike of greed arriving. means time to do some invoices. May 01 05:37:36 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/changelog May 01 05:37:38 n800n, you're not scared of all the apple-fanboys of kicking you back? :-) May 01 05:37:53 ah, thanks timelyx May 01 05:38:04 they're all flamy May 01 05:38:46 they'd be scared by my clashing clothing May 01 05:39:12 n800n, you clash with your clothes? May 01 05:39:33 i don't know... May 01 05:39:37 "NB#83424 mages are scaled but not displayed in full resoluti" May 01 05:39:49 he only clashes when he's wearing his clashing clothes May 01 05:39:49 timelyx, didn't know that there is now a D&D emulator in as well ;-) May 01 05:40:01 lol May 01 05:40:28 alrighty May 01 05:40:49 timelyx, sounds like you've been having fun :-) May 01 05:41:57 whee for having a 1GB mmc May 01 05:41:59 been? no. will be? yeah, about a month of joy May 01 05:42:05 the page flipping in leopard is pretty slick May 01 05:42:07 I would like a larger one, but this is still a nice improvement. May 01 05:42:31 n800 should have it too May 01 05:43:21 2*8gb + 16gb here ;) May 01 05:43:37 nice May 01 05:43:47 What's the 16GB one, a USB device? May 01 05:44:00 sd May 01 05:44:06 :) May 01 05:44:28 oh, what, you have a spare one? May 01 05:44:43 sort of May 01 05:45:10 i look at it as part 2 oh the first 8gb sd May 01 05:45:11 Or is KotCzarny pulling my leg May 01 05:45:56 Oh, two 16GB SD cards, one of which is split up into two 8GB partitions? May 01 05:47:28 hehe no, sorry to cinfuse you May 01 05:47:33 3 cards May 01 05:47:42 one is spare May 01 05:47:56 okay :P May 01 05:48:15 Heh, my spare is a 32MB card. >.>; May 01 05:48:35 * KotCzarny has 16mb mmc somewhere May 01 05:49:01 they got so cheap May 01 05:49:56 2 gb around 15 bucks May 01 05:50:44 wow, really? May 01 05:50:51 I guess I could go out and buy a couple. May 01 05:51:21 or one bigger? May 01 05:51:36 bigger is always better May 01 05:51:47 4 gb is decent also May 01 05:51:47 unless it's a rash May 01 05:51:48 ;) May 01 05:52:00 40 bucks i think May 01 05:52:02 KotCzarny, touche! but I guess there are people around there who like large rashes too! May 01 05:52:20 there are people that eat poop May 01 05:52:33 so it doesn't prove anything May 01 05:52:34 :) May 01 05:52:45 you mean like real poop or you mean "buy broken devices from the same vendor all over and over"? ;-) May 01 05:52:59 i mean people are strange :) May 01 05:53:13 you mean like .. never mind :-) May 01 05:53:35 ok May 01 05:53:35 * czr comes from a long line of strange people May 01 05:53:38 time for breakfast May 01 05:54:50 5x2gb sd for 30$ May 01 05:54:51 heh May 01 05:54:57 I wonder if I could set up scratchbox as a distcc node. May 01 05:55:06 3$ per gig :> May 01 05:55:20 insane May 01 05:55:28 second hand of course May 01 05:55:41 That would be nice. Set stuff up to compile from the N800, using my 3GHz C2D as the actual muscle to do it. May 01 05:55:53 Waiting for things to compile on the N800 really brings me back. :P May 01 05:56:04 grackle: you compile on n800 ? o.o May 01 05:56:08 when i got the 2 8gb ones i think i spaced out for a minute thinking of floppies May 01 05:56:20 floppies <3 May 01 05:56:37 grackle: you don't like scratchbox ? :) May 01 05:56:45 Some things, KotCzarny. I will probably get sick of it soon, but it's so cool that I can do it! May 01 05:57:14 if you setup distcc correctly you can use scratchbox as a slave i think May 01 05:57:15 :) May 01 05:57:19 Scratchbox is okay, but it requires starting my virtual machine and doing all the networking stuff to move files onto the n800. May 01 05:57:29 yeah, I think that ought to be doable May 01 05:57:35 what virtual machine? May 01 05:57:36 ;) May 01 05:58:19 I can't get scratchbox set up in ubuntu. I'm sure it's possible, but I already had a project to work on, and I didn't want "setting up dev tools" to be its own project. May 01 05:58:33 the vdso-thingy? May 01 05:59:20 I want to use my n800 as a pocket-sized ham radio computer. That would be fun. May 01 05:59:31 especially at breakfast time May 01 05:59:39 or if you're trekking in the woods/mountains. May 01 05:59:46 it's good to have some ham in a pocket size version May 01 05:59:48 yeah May 01 05:59:56 crank powered May 01 06:00:13 An N810 might be better, really, because it has a built-in GPS. On the other hand, a lot of people have trouble with it. May 01 06:01:01 Pocket-sized APRS setup, sort of. N800, bluetooth GPS, and handheld radio. May 01 06:01:34 woo, tk compiled May 01 06:01:50 * Grackle installs May 01 06:02:22 I have a bluetooth keyboard on the way, I wonder if it will arrive tomorrow. May 01 06:29:28 lots of n800's in nicks May 01 07:07:53 hrm May 01 07:45:43 sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo May 01 07:46:03 if i make a rss with a JPG link as will it work with photocasts on canola? May 01 07:49:30 gaaaaaaaaay May 01 07:50:00 I'm guessing that's a no? May 01 07:50:33 mhm May 01 07:50:37 either that or it wont read .gif May 01 07:50:38 :/ May 01 07:50:48 Now THAT would be gaaaaaaaaay May 01 07:51:04 i was thinking to get a php script that spits out photocasts for webcomis May 01 07:51:07 comics* May 01 07:51:51 That'd be chill May 01 07:51:58 Is Canola still beta 8? May 01 07:52:08 actually it is that it doesnt do gif May 01 07:52:14 i change the url toa jpg and it works May 01 07:52:27 looks like yeah, still beta8 May 01 07:53:43 if gif dont work, wil png i wonder May 01 07:54:21 png works. jpg works. gif does not work May 01 07:54:47 http://captain-odegard.com/m-rss.xml May 01 07:55:03 thats gay May 01 07:56:30 -_____- May 01 07:56:41 * Cptnodegard slaps canola around a bit with a sonic screwdriver May 01 07:58:50 Morning, all May 01 07:59:16 greetings earthling May 01 08:01:55 sup Jaffa May 01 08:08:33 morning all May 01 08:53:24 morning all May 01 10:07:42 mkay May 01 10:07:44 got it May 01 10:08:16 if anyone is interested, http://home.mtulink.com/~moedegaard/xkcd.php added as canola photo feed will give you the latest xkcd.com comic strip May 01 10:09:03 Cptnodegard: canola does not support normal rss feed for it? May 01 10:09:31 mine does May 01 10:09:35 as that thing works May 01 10:10:02 added it and works perectly May 01 10:18:41 gif images on the other hand it does not like May 01 10:24:06 X-Fade: thanks May 01 11:17:47 mkay...made it work with gif files by converting the shit May 01 12:35:24 anyone know how get maps like that ? http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkvEeBd1Is&NR=1 May 01 12:48:18 This CIA rendition program, as long as we have it, should be applied to spammers. May 01 12:48:21 oop wrong channel May 01 12:51:27 term-sig: that's maemo mapper May 01 12:52:28 someone know when maemo mapper will allow to use n810 keyboard for actions? May 01 13:00:49 dragorn: are u sure? because maemo mapper dont support google earth right? May 01 13:02:21 <||cw> term-sig: MM supports pretty much any map url scheme May 01 13:02:38 <||cw> all you gotta do is figure out the url google earth uses May 01 13:03:20 ok, then anybody had URI for google earth? i want get results like on that youtube movie.. May 01 13:04:02 <||cw> i don't recall mapper being able to do that stuff though May 01 13:05:54 I think that's a video, with appropriately timed stylus movements May 01 13:06:06 <||cw> ok, I think that's fake, if it showed menus or the sidebar or something I might believe it, but that runs even smoother than google earth on a high end pc, so no way May 01 13:06:06 when it's moving, toward the end, it's not quite right May 01 13:06:58 <||cw> right, almost like normal stylus lag, but everything else is too smooth May 01 13:08:36 yeah, I dunno, watching it again it seems possible May 01 13:08:52 but ... since there's no 3d rendering support, it's not really possible ;-) May 01 13:12:52 it might be possible. here's 800x480 3D voxels at ~25fps http://pupnik.de/pupvox.zip May 01 13:13:32 i'm not saying the video IS real May 01 13:15:39 ok 21-22fps May 01 13:19:03 ah I only watched the beginning of the video May 01 13:19:26 however maemo mapper does support keyhole tiles May 01 13:42:51 dead! May 01 13:51:47 http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html i think more of us could be looking into the Builder for Maemo Extras (buildME) May 01 14:13:59 where is hcitool for 2008os? anyone? May 01 14:14:33 in bluez utils ? May 01 14:14:46 nope May 01 14:14:54 wierd huh May 01 14:15:10 are u sure? May 01 14:15:38 its installed and its not here May 01 14:15:45 do you have it? May 01 14:16:17 btw i am sure of very little May 01 14:17:21 wait, i need check. May 01 14:18:09 it does not come in 2008 blues-utils May 01 14:18:22 how stupid May 01 14:18:35 bluez-utils-dist May 01 14:18:48 hmmm May 01 14:19:01 contains:hciconfig,hcitool,sdptool.... May 01 14:19:29 danka May 01 14:19:36 :) May 01 14:19:43 danka? May 01 14:19:49 thanks May 01 14:20:13 ah, what language it's? May 01 14:20:26 I think dutch? May 01 14:21:13 penguinbait: then it would've been `dank' or `bedankt' :) May 01 14:21:22 hehe May 01 14:21:26 `danke' is a possibility May 01 14:21:32 but that's more german May 01 14:21:55 true.. May 01 14:22:09 <||cw> a typo for sanka? May 01 14:22:20 urban dictionary say, slang for thanks May 01 14:22:31 maybe 8 just made it up? May 01 14:22:46 8 = I May 01 14:22:53 maybe :) May 01 14:22:56 * aquatix is off May 01 14:23:07 sounds jamaican like that :) May 01 14:25:01 danka is a polish female May 01 14:25:03 hehe May 01 14:26:11 then wayne newton sings "danka shane" May 01 14:26:17 someone stop me May 01 14:26:49 penguinbait: it's more danuta May 01 14:26:55 then danka ;) May 01 14:27:52 kinda sounds like thank you, if you say it right! May 01 14:32:18 hola May 01 14:32:47 Greetings. May 01 14:34:26 que passa? May 01 14:36:10 hola May 01 14:36:22 hi May 01 14:38:12 Anyone else having problems installing the SDK on Ubuntu? May 01 14:38:25 what happened to hcitool --connect May 01 14:38:32 SDuensin, I was, I ended up reformatting. May 01 14:38:36 Which version? May 01 14:38:50 how do you make connections now? May 01 14:39:01 Uh. Whatever they call the one for 2008. May 01 14:39:20 I managed to make it work once, but now I can't get the SDK install script to run. May 01 14:39:27 penguinbait: this same like before mate.. May 01 14:39:29 * SDuensin is also reinstalling his OS. May 01 14:39:39 nope May 01 14:39:50 SDuensin, for 8.10, nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled. May 01 14:39:52 its not, May 01 14:39:56 bollocks May 01 14:40:07 penguinbait, give me a sec May 01 14:40:07 hehe May 01 14:40:33 qwerty12 - Oh, Ubuntu version. I have 8.04. It's the Kubuntu Remix CD. May 01 14:40:38 i need to just go compile myself like last time May 01 14:40:50 penguinbait: cc ? May 01 14:40:59 SDuensin, but I think version is the same. May 01 14:41:05 yes SD May 01 14:41:19 s/version/kernel/ May 01 14:41:19 qwerty12 meant: SDuensin, but I think kernel is the same. May 01 14:41:20 i am running kubuntu 804 May 01 14:41:29 errors right May 01 14:41:34 So mind explaining to me what "nmap min number needs to be lowered and vdso needs to be disabled" means in English? May 01 14:41:43 hold on May 01 14:42:46 echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled May 01 14:42:53 that fixes it May 01 14:43:07 needs to be run after each reboot May 01 14:43:21 That will disable it for a one time session. You can use sysctl or kernel line in grub to disable it permanently May 01 14:43:35 Is that the address randomization stuff? May 01 14:43:43 penguinbait, for hcitool, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/b/bluez-utils/ May 01 14:43:51 Grab the bluez-utils-test_3.22-0osso2_armel.deb May 01 14:44:11 According to fanoush, the bluetooth stuff was replaced by DBUS in OS2008. May 01 14:44:35 yes May 01 14:47:18 what happened to hcitool --connect May 01 14:47:37 what is new connection string? May 01 14:47:40 I think its "hcitool cc" now afaik May 01 14:49:26 penguinbait: 16:37 < term-sig> penguinbait: cc ? ;P May 01 14:49:39 hehe May 01 14:50:13 Hi ! how to use vi in os2008 on N800 ? no arrows to move the cursor. May 01 14:50:24 The d-pad works May 01 14:50:30 Make sure you are in insert mode. May 01 14:50:54 and u can ebale insert mode with esc :i May 01 14:50:54 ;] May 01 14:51:01 enable* May 01 14:51:17 vi = Virtually Incomprehensible May 01 14:51:21 d-pad ? what is it ? I'm new in this toy May 01 14:51:26 vi rules May 01 14:51:48 nouga: go to nokia webpage for tutorial about u buttons ;) May 01 14:52:11 thanks ! i'll try May 01 14:56:40 http://www.elonexone.co.uk/software.html May 01 14:56:50 n8x0 competitor ? ;-) May 01 14:57:30 Does the girl come with it? May 01 14:58:10 she comes as a seperate download May 01 14:58:34 ~curse Berlin for being expensive May 01 14:58:37 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Berlin for being expensive ! May 01 14:58:49 Looks more like an Eee competitor. May 01 14:59:17 SDuensin: she has no knees though May 01 15:00:32 Funny - I didn't even notice! May 01 15:02:02 I like that the keyboard is removable on that ONE. Very cool. May 01 15:02:42 wtf do you need knees for? May 01 15:02:43 weirdo May 01 15:02:45 :p May 01 15:03:15 i mean I've heard of foot fetishes...but knees May 01 15:03:54 why not? Cptnodegard it's sexy too.. May 01 15:04:00 lardman: Why? Linux Tag? May 01 15:04:22 Blafasel: yep May 01 15:04:38 Cptnodegard: Bought that usbgeek USB to Nokia cable, but it somehow didn't work so far (tried it only on my laptop) May 01 15:04:39 Cptnodegard: standing up...! May 01 15:13:05 Re HI ! thanks for help in VI, i spend so much time with vim that i forgot this good old VI commands ! now my /etc/netwok/interfaces are OK May 01 15:13:47 BY ! May 01 15:24:02 ~curse deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. May 01 15:24:02 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, deluge for taking years to compile. I still will probably end up getting errors. ! May 01 15:27:33 Heh May 01 15:28:26 Someone really needs to upgrade the ~curse function. I know a lot of swear words..., I'll volunteer :p May 01 15:28:46 ~curse qwerty12 May 01 15:28:47 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 ! May 01 15:29:17 ~curse Navi for making it say something different :p May 01 15:29:18 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi for making it say something different :p ! May 01 15:29:28 Blafasel: weird, mine works fine. use it with a usb battery May 01 15:29:35 ~curse qwerty12 May 01 15:29:36 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, qwerty12 ! May 01 15:29:41 bleh May 01 15:29:43 ~curse Navi May 01 15:29:43 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Navi ! May 01 15:30:00 infobot, you are like a one track record. May 01 15:30:01 qwerty12: what are you talking about? May 01 15:30:20 infobot, don't worry. May 01 15:30:27 I'm sad for having a convo with a bot :/ May 01 15:30:54 <||cw> qwerty12: especially since it's not an Alice May 01 15:31:17 hehe May 01 15:32:40 I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried May 01 15:33:15 s/I go to sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried/I sleep with my N800 sometimes, and it always makes me worried May 01 15:33:17 eew May 01 15:33:17 <||cw> yeah, sleeping with li-on seems like a bad idea May 01 15:33:46 Ha, I knew that joke was coming May 01 15:34:13 But I toss in my sleep and I'm afraid of tossing it or something :P May 01 15:34:40 <||cw> I'd be more afraid of the battery overheating and exploding May 01 15:35:07 <||cw> being wrapped covers (poor cooling) and you maybe pushing buttons May 01 15:35:55 I'm not worried about it asploding May 01 15:36:25 Same here, I leave mine under my pillow because I'm too tired to put it on my bedside table. May 01 15:51:13 Cptnodegard: Any recommendation for a battery? May 01 15:56:53 Blafasel: i got one from proporta.com...works great but expensive May 01 16:20:06 (hi), any infos about port of Ubuntu Mobile to ARM arch by Nokia itself ? May 01 16:26:00 <||cw> Zic: no, but someone does have UM running on I think an n800 May 01 16:26:16 yes, I saw it on the Planet Maemo, iirc May 01 16:27:05 For now, I prefer Maemo than UM, but it would be nice to test it on a real touchscreen device May 01 16:27:37 (I use the Moblin Image Creator to test UM …) May 01 16:27:57 (to test on a standard computer) May 01 16:37:05 this is the most badass device i have ever owned May 01 16:37:59 It's the second most badass device I've ever owned May 01 16:38:36 what are you talking about? May 01 16:38:46 ust got my n810 May 01 16:39:17 the beowolwe cluster of furby's is up there on the list May 01 16:40:51 thanks for the os>card clone guide May 01 16:41:03 <3 May 01 16:41:22 ? May 01 16:41:27 me? May 01 16:41:49 if you're the guy that posted it yeah May 01 16:41:53 * n800n noob May 01 16:42:09 no, i created a deb to to it May 01 16:42:35 i did it a few weeks ago, no deb May 01 16:42:44 nm then ;) May 01 16:43:31 uh, I mean your welcome ;) May 01 16:44:56 it was milhouse May 01 17:27:44 Is there anyway to get the /dev/dsptask/pcm3 in the ARMEL target w/out me having to resort to testing on my N800 or switching to X86 target? would really help me out. May 01 17:33:26 qwerty12, i was under the impression xephyr emulated arm, the dsp tasks are not specifically arm May 01 17:33:49 so - based on my understanding i would say no, you will have to test dsp stuff on device May 01 17:34:01 btw, can I symbolic-link ~/MyDocs to /media/mmc1/MyDocs? May 01 17:34:39 lcuk, Ah thanks. I can use X86 target but it is a pita :). Btw, not to sound like a prick but qemu emulates the arm :) May 01 17:35:13 i thought you could have arm without dsp May 01 17:35:40 Some games want the /dev/dsptask to be there otherwise they won't run :( May 01 17:36:07 I'm playing with ROTT atm, I've got it to run full screen but the controls are extremely bad. May 01 17:36:08 evening ssvb :) May 01 17:37:42 i do all testing directly on the device anyway. so ive never come across this issue May 01 17:38:54 I can't be arsed to hook up a USB cable :/, ssh isn't an option for me :( May 01 17:39:09 whats up with ssh? May 01 17:39:13 * qwerty12 notes I have to connect the USB though a lot :( May 01 17:39:43 lcuk, I won't bore this channel again but basically after entering my password, it stays connecting forever. May 01 17:40:46 oooer that doesnt sound healthy, call out a doctor and get him to have a look at your setup :) should only cost you a beer or two May 01 17:41:19 Hehe, sounds fair enough :) May 01 17:41:35 * qwerty12 just realised I have a headache <.< May 01 17:42:00 if you do have someone nearby perhaps they could solve a problem much quicker than tooing and froing. :) take some pills May 01 17:42:22 Yeah, I should do (both suggestions), thanks :) May 01 17:42:58 This is why I hate switching to X86, I need to recompile for ARM. May 01 17:43:35 Bye. May 01 17:44:08 "You must restart your computer for changes to take effect" May 01 18:10:47 lcuk: dsp tasks are arm, but arm7 or so May 01 18:11:08 with additional specialized operations May 01 18:13:20 hmm May 01 18:13:32 my matchbox entered some undefined state May 01 18:13:47 task list crashed or something May 01 18:14:01 how do I restart that? May 01 18:16:10 hmm? May 01 18:23:51 dsp tasks are not "arm". DSPs are separate cpu architecture containing their own instruction set. May 01 18:24:36 even better May 01 18:24:55 so, only wifi is an additional arm then :P May 01 18:25:04 what abt. IVA? May 01 18:30:12 AStorm: yes, IVA is said to be based on some ARM7 core. May 01 18:30:14 are there *any* specifics known about the coprocessors? (IMX, VLCD, and whatever other acronyms appear in the marketing materials) May 01 18:30:35 VLCD is the LCD controller May 01 18:30:53 so, not too useful for us :P May 01 18:31:16 IMX? what's that? May 01 18:31:23 well we know lots about the PVR, just none of it is usableat this point in time May 01 18:31:42 no, the variable length encoding/decoding quantization coprocessor May 01 18:32:01 iMX is some SIMD coprocessor for (i)dct May 01 18:32:19 heh May 01 18:32:30 the SIMD instructions are built directly onto the standard ARM core arent they May 01 18:32:41 not all of them May 01 18:32:52 and not outsourced to another core May 01 18:32:57 ie directly accessible from "standard" assembler May 01 18:34:20 pH5, i gather the 2430breakdown didnt work out May 01 18:34:47 hmmmmaybeineedanewspacebar May 01 18:36:40 hehe May 01 18:36:45 or new fingers May 01 18:36:50 lcuk: or rather nobody tried hard enough yet May 01 18:42:21 I am loving this bluetooth mouse on 810, in KDE of course May 01 19:03:26 anyone know of a pdf reader that does auto scroll? May 01 19:04:24 best bluetooth keyboard for an 810? May 01 19:12:12 re May 01 19:12:56 fwd May 01 19:26:49 emelfm2 = useful? May 01 19:38:23 kagu > canola? May 01 19:58:12 kagu = ugly? May 01 19:58:49 I don't think it's even updated anymore either. May 01 19:58:54 way too ugly, IMO May 01 19:58:56 er May 01 19:59:02 way too many gradients, IMO May 01 20:00:25 I should make a theme that fits my liking. May 01 20:01:45 I have a problem connecting to messenger with telepathy-haze(and pidgin for that matter also) on a N810. The problem only occurs when at home behind my netfilter filter firewall(other places with "normal" wireless routers the problem don't occur). I just get a "Network error"...is there some log or something I can look at in maemo? May 01 20:01:55 Last update on the trac was two months ago May 01 20:02:52 sounds to me like your netfilter firewall is broken May 01 20:02:57 you can open the debug window in Pidgin May 01 20:03:37 elb: ok. I will try the pidgin thing. I don't think my netfilter firewall is broken...I haven't got this problem with a laptop on the same network using pidgin May 01 20:03:58 if it works without it ... May 01 20:03:59 elb: And using exactly the same configuration for the laptop May 01 20:05:25 BTW, gentlemen, the Google iPhone UI is now available for everybody May 01 20:05:32 nice May 01 20:05:32 elb: I also notice that it can be slow generally using the network. Could it be the n810 don't like a strong wireless signal May 01 20:06:29 * qwerty12_N800 has to get off my ass and learn c, python & good bash scripting May 01 20:07:01 www.google.com/m/a/google.com May 01 20:07:04 enjoy May 01 20:08:04 the only problem so far is that I can't make it show up in English May 01 20:12:44 * Navi likes http://www.google.com/m/classic?gl=us better May 01 20:20:25 Gah, I can't find any good debian wallpapers :/ May 01 20:21:04 It's like all debian users are artistically challenged or something >_> May 01 20:22:07 lol May 01 20:22:42 * n800n offended. May 01 20:23:43 I'm indirectly mildly offended as im'a ubuntu user. May 01 20:23:51 * KotCzarny has slackware May 01 20:24:01 * Navi shrugs May 01 20:24:22 * qwerty12_N800 has grub May 01 20:24:35 * qwerty12_N800 has gnome May 01 20:24:42 * qwerty12_N800 has firefox May 01 20:24:50 grub (grub) May 01 20:24:53 1. To dig in the earth: grub for potatoes. May 01 20:25:14 can i has a potatoeta? May 01 20:25:34 come on, I thought you slackware users were clever :p May 01 20:25:44 * KotCzarny is a cat May 01 20:25:55 * Navi is slightly offended as he is an ITOS user May 01 20:25:58 if they were clever, they wouldn't use slackware May 01 20:26:06 ;-) May 01 20:26:08 hehe May 01 20:26:08 why? May 01 20:26:08 haha May 01 20:26:10 it's a fine os May 01 20:26:11 :) May 01 20:26:19 Oi, don't diss Slackers. May 01 20:26:25 does what it has to May 01 20:26:29 beef! May 01 20:26:32 and gets the hell out of user's way May 01 20:26:33 :) May 01 20:26:36 I quit using it in 1998 or so ... when it became obvious that there were distributions, and then there were piles of tarballs ;-) May 01 20:26:59 you and your dependency hell May 01 20:27:00 ;) May 01 20:27:08 * Navi stopped using it a few years ago for ArchLinux May 01 20:27:22 dependency hell is a very avoidable problem May 01 20:27:26 compile everything May 01 20:27:39 woo May 01 20:27:39 and anyone who claims they don't have it on a non-dependency-tracking distro just doesn't know what they're talking about May 01 20:27:46 heilook, eetz penguinbait May 01 20:27:49 because dependencies still exist ;-) May 01 20:27:54 when we gunna c teh KDE4 dood? May 01 20:28:04 not from me May 01 20:28:09 but anyway, I gave up caring what distro others used about the same time I quit using slack ;-) May 01 20:28:10 aw man u sux May 01 20:28:14 muhahaha May 01 20:28:28 elb: i don't claim that, i can tell on the other hand that slack maintainer chooses what to link and what's not needed May 01 20:28:29 :) May 01 20:28:36 358 is better anyway :) May 01 20:28:50 nu uh May 01 20:28:51 penguinbait, seconded May 01 20:28:58 uh huh May 01 20:29:02 nu uh May 01 20:29:06 Aw, screw this May 01 20:29:12 4 was a buggy pos when i tried it May 01 20:29:36 I like a billion options May 01 20:29:45 I like dwm May 01 20:29:49 kde4 only has a million May 01 20:29:54 i like pancakes May 01 20:30:07 blueberry pancakes May 01 20:30:10 I've found a bunch of nice debian wallpapers, but none of them match what I want :( May 01 20:30:11 mmmmm May 01 20:30:13 i <3 tux May 01 20:30:18 eek May 01 20:30:32 make one May 01 20:30:35 no u May 01 20:30:38 he can't May 01 20:30:43 he is a debian user May 01 20:30:44 ;) May 01 20:30:47 Haha May 01 20:30:49 I hate debian why would i May 01 20:31:11 I'm not a Debian user :P May 01 20:31:25 then it doesn't matter May 01 20:31:29 Sure it does May 01 20:31:30 why do you want a debian wallpaper then May 01 20:31:41 For sex appeal, duh. May 01 20:32:01 looking to score with special ed? May 01 20:32:17 lol May 01 20:32:26 Indeed May 01 20:32:51 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7373348.stm May 01 20:32:52 lol May 01 20:33:00 I am running kde on it with zelda mouse cursor theme, no sexier than that May 01 20:33:03 :) May 01 20:33:44 Screenshot? May 01 20:33:48 I love the little potion bottle for waiting May 01 20:34:11 KotCzarny, lol? :p. my favourite was when in uk, ikea manager got stabbed. £30 leather sofas... May 01 20:34:22 Reminds me that I still want to install hardy heron (Really, Ubuntu. These names suck) on my eeePC May 01 20:34:34 qwerty: fun May 01 20:34:46 now i lol May 01 20:34:47 cursor not in screenshot :( May 01 20:34:55 50-100 witnesses May 01 20:35:00 Blafasel, I've been meaning to install that on my test box May 01 20:35:09 I've heard that it's a bad release May 01 20:35:43 Navi: Heard the same May 01 20:35:44 it's ok, but nothing to get excited over May 01 20:35:54 But I want a badass current distribution on my eeePC ;) May 01 20:36:00 I don't get excited over Ubuntu releases :P May 01 20:36:21 * KotCzarny didn't reinstalled for many years May 01 20:36:22 I dooooo :p. May 01 20:36:31 I never tried ubuntu until 2 days ago on my desktop machine - and removed it after 10 minutes for OpenSuse again. May 01 20:36:34 I'm not a fan of Debian or it's derivatives, but I do try them out so that I can later bash them May 01 20:36:41 * qwerty12_N800 reinstalled 3 days ago May 01 20:36:44 Navi: ;) May 01 20:37:41 i'm kinda excited aboout ubuntu May 01 20:37:59 that windows installer made me curious May 01 20:38:10 wubi? May 01 20:38:28 I'd just make a partition. May 01 20:38:36 Blafasel, I don't like RPM distros either :P May 01 20:38:42 http://penguinbait.com/kdes.png May 01 20:39:26 Navi: Neither do I, but OpenSuse is my best "Just works" experience so far and the build service is just great May 01 20:39:30 that's on tablet? May 01 20:39:35 penguinbait, is that on n8*0? May 01 20:39:35 yes May 01 20:39:39 ah May 01 20:39:45 I am typing from it May 01 20:39:45 I prefer quick setup over "just works" May 01 20:39:50 penguinbait: Neat! May 01 20:40:09 thats sexy :) May 01 20:40:10 I'm more a gnome guy, but it looks great May 01 20:40:30 penguinbait likes to show off kde :D May 01 20:40:39 It's his tarball'ed child May 01 20:40:56 hey its a deb now May 01 20:41:00 :) May 01 20:41:01 :) May 01 20:41:08 Well, the screenshot is cute.. But I'm not sure if I'd replace (even parts of) maemo. May 01 20:41:27 its not replacing anything May 01 20:41:29 it's not a replacement May 01 20:41:33 too l8 May 01 20:41:33 boot to maemo May 01 20:41:43 isn't it slower? May 01 20:41:46 select kde from extras menu May 01 20:41:55 than a desktop? May 01 20:41:56 Ah, okay May 01 20:42:44 oh sweet May 01 20:42:51 how's speed tho? May 01 20:43:24 works good, konqueror is a little slow to start, as is a few apps, but all run good May 01 20:43:51 i like kvirc May 01 20:44:07 fish is also very handy May 01 20:44:25 i'm looking into getting music apps going, maybe that!d be one way May 01 20:45:03 does konversation run? May 01 20:45:51 i have not tried May 01 20:46:05 ah :) May 01 20:46:32 kvirc and smplayer are about the only nonkde base apps I installed May 01 20:46:52 It's xchat for me on maemo,maybe weechat&bitchx&irssi when I get keyboard. May 01 20:48:36 I need to do some trading, i have nokia keyboard I never use May 01 20:48:43 now with 810 May 01 20:49:00 iblue gps also May 01 20:49:16 i'd keep the gps :p May 01 20:49:17 8gb sdhc kingston class 6 May 01 20:49:43 maemo mapper works great with internal gps, May 01 20:49:59 it keeps me on the roads, thats all i need May 01 20:51:16 I am loving this bluetooth mouse with KDE May 01 20:55:16 sound working ok? May 01 20:58:28 actually my favourite thing from pb's port of kde w/out ever using it is the x11vnc from it May 01 20:59:13 Hmm.. I might give that kde thing a try though. Just need a bigger SD card May 01 21:32:03 man...how long does it take for gps on an n810 to fix it's location May 01 21:32:20 ages man ;> May 01 21:32:29 I'm beginning to see that May 01 21:32:36 I let it sit for like half an hour and nothing May 01 21:32:37 Anywhere from a minute to forever May 01 21:32:42 heh May 01 21:32:46 buy external one... May 01 21:32:47 or htc May 01 21:32:52 plb: check if you have old gpsd version May 01 21:32:58 how? May 01 21:33:08 KotCzarny: shouldn't matter May 01 21:33:17 vote on agps bug May 01 21:33:26 lardman: still -23 had some bugs May 01 21:33:33 hmm May 01 21:33:40 yeah, but leap-year bug doesn't matter anymore May 01 21:33:41 i think dpkg -l | grep gps May 01 21:33:47 ok May 01 21:33:49 it's not only about leap-year i think May 01 21:34:06 if you have symbian phone with gps, grab extgps May 01 21:34:07 wasn't that bug discredited? May 01 21:34:12 in any case the fix part is more to do with gpsdriver, nothing to do with gpsd May 01 21:34:18 penguinbait: can you run audacity on kde/n800? May 01 21:34:21 pupnik, yes May 01 21:34:45 penguinbait went time ago May 01 21:35:00 sorry, scrolled up May 01 21:35:41 lardman: still, people that moved from -23 to -25 experienced quicker fixes May 01 21:35:57 er how do you do a pipe | ? May 01 21:36:08 try shift-\ May 01 21:36:21 n800n, it may be possible to run in maemo, it's not dependent on kde but no one compiled it May 01 21:36:22 KotCzarny: small sample size, I think it comes down to chance; as much was said on the ITT thread May 01 21:36:41 lardman: still, having old version isn't helping May 01 21:36:42 :) May 01 21:37:08 which is shift key on the 810? May 01 21:37:20 yeah, no harm in upgrading I suppose, as long as the package name doesn't screw things up - which was the problem with that upgrade May 01 21:37:24 hm May 01 21:37:42 need more musicians w/n800s May 01 21:37:56 I see it this way: if i'm ever really lost biking or hiking, i'll be able to walk to an open space and get a gps fix in 1-5 minutes May 01 21:38:26 and you can survive without water for 3 days so that should be enough ;D May 01 21:38:31 pupnik: what if there is thunderstorm? :) May 01 21:38:56 pupnik, i'd place better bets on emergerncy services finding you out faster. May 01 21:39:13 remove out. May 01 21:39:54 to give it its due, I went to Oz from the UK and got a fix in only a few minutes May 01 21:40:11 I had a good view of the sky though, which is a limiting factor for most of us May 01 21:40:27 does anyone here understand why it takes a while? May 01 21:40:44 i would bet on software May 01 21:40:45 :) May 01 21:40:59 must be horribly complicated due to something or other May 01 21:41:12 the ephemeris data are transmitted by the satellites, the GPS must scan to work out which satellites are in view before it knows what freqs to lock on to May 01 21:41:26 according to johnx, it uses really bad ti chipset meant to be used with agps May 01 21:41:38 if it has an idea, it can scan fewer freqs, so has a better chance of picking up the signal May 01 21:41:55 ah, so a gps receiver does band-switching to test for sat availability May 01 21:42:38 yes, it scans all of the bands, until it finds something to lock on to (I think), then downloads the ephemeris (~20s) then knows what to lock on to May 01 21:42:52 what else to lock on to May 01 21:43:10 anyway I'm sure wikipedia would do a better job of explaining :) May 01 21:45:52 KotCzarny: osso-gpsd? May 01 21:46:01 what version? May 01 21:46:02 yeh May 01 21:46:24 1.0-25 May 01 21:46:39 then it's latest i think May 01 21:51:21 hm need some good games to play May 01 21:51:27 for tablet May 01 21:52:08 is this vgba any good? May 01 21:53:21 it's the only good gba emu we got so i'd say yeh May 01 21:55:07 quake plb_ ! May 01 21:55:15 the best game in the world. May 01 21:55:15 ;] May 01 21:55:19 heh May 01 21:55:27 I'm surprised no enemy territory May 01 21:55:31 =) May 01 21:55:43 there is May 01 21:55:45 plb_: ur quan masters is one of the best May 01 21:56:02 just goto apple.com/iphone May 01 21:56:06 well... nevermind May 01 21:56:07 eww May 01 21:56:34 plb_: what do you want to play May 01 21:57:02 I dunno I just my 810 so I'm looking for all kinds of apps and games to load up on it May 01 21:57:46 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12 May 01 21:58:11 why not actually try looking in the games section, 10 pages isn't a lot, i've been through it 7 time May 01 21:58:13 s May 01 21:58:17 ya there is quite a bit of games ;] May 01 21:59:09 i probably know every game on the tablets May 01 21:59:54 install numpty physics first - nice to show off your tablet with that May 01 22:00:26 I have numpty already ;] May 01 22:00:36 it's a pain though cause I lost the stylus lol May 01 22:11:47 numpty is awesome May 01 22:12:01 i just installed it 1 h ago May 01 22:26:06 should i back up my maps from the n810's internal card before i format it? May 01 22:26:18 if you want to keep them May 01 22:26:19 :) May 01 22:26:52 :) May 01 22:27:32 This thing rocks, I had to force myself to sleep :-D May 01 22:28:06 yeah, it's nice May 01 22:29:42 !? May 01 22:29:51 modest doesn't decode format=flowed :( May 01 22:30:35 bye May 01 22:37:36 anyone uses mauku here? May 01 22:39:37 * sp3000 files an rfe, shruggery May 01 22:41:59 . May 01 22:42:05 o May 01 22:42:12 ( ) May 01 22:42:18 .-. May 01 22:42:23 `-' May 01 22:42:43 _ May 01 22:42:58 damn i cant do slashes May 01 22:43:02 :) May 01 22:43:21 * KotCzarny hands lcuk a basket of slashes '/////' May 01 22:43:41 * lcuk makes em all left handed \\\\\ May 01 22:44:21 ive still got block May 01 22:44:36 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4467 May 01 22:44:47 get yourself a zeppelin May 01 22:45:01 and drop slashes from orbit May 01 22:45:13 WOW! May 01 22:45:19 ...well, provided it's an orbital rocket zeppelin May 01 22:45:30 i would need a parachute, but simply wow May 01 22:45:49 impractical in windy areas May 01 22:45:50 ;) May 01 22:46:53 yer, most people use hand gliders around here :) May 01 22:47:01 (my dad for one) May 01 22:47:04 'hang' May 01 22:47:05 ;) May 01 22:47:49 in one ear out the other. canvass all over again.. May 01 22:48:17 you didn't used my corrected version? May 01 22:48:17 :) May 01 22:49:19 of course, and by use i now know :) though ive slipped a few times but now theres enough of a codebase that its self rectifying :) May 01 22:49:58 it should have prevented you from using bad ones :) May 01 22:50:01 it felt wrong when i picked up some vb code the other day with the wrong spelling May 01 22:50:06 it did.. May 01 22:50:59 im being heavily sidetracked at the moment thinking about text processing and i dont wanna be May 01 22:51:03 i think it's just something you can unlearn by replacing May 01 22:51:15 get a shower then? May 01 22:51:16 :) May 01 22:51:17 i never knew it was wrong though May 01 22:51:36 white noise of water should fix it May 01 22:51:49 its not fixed it for the last few nights May 01 22:53:15 in vb its easy to read and write multi format data in text files. in c its trickier. its just an unload though, its bringing back all my parsing and grammar thoughts that roll around May 01 22:53:34 i like php in this area May 01 22:53:51 makes text processing swift May 01 22:53:52 :) May 01 22:54:06 find/write a helper functions May 01 22:54:21 what do you think has sidetracked me.. May 01 22:54:55 hm how can you mimick a right click to save image as ? May 01 22:55:02 i practically finished a little deep pattern recursive scanner May 01 22:55:08 plb: hold it for a 1-2 sec May 01 22:55:24 ah thanks May 01 22:56:22 the bitch is scanf would work if it would stop reading a %s when the next constant section of the pattern was encountered May 01 22:57:19 huh? May 01 22:59:52 if you did a scanf with something like scanf(data," fn %20s('%10s',%i,%i)" , &fnname, &arg1,&arg2,&arg3) i would expect fnname to only hold the data upto the ( but it doesnt, it holds the next 20 chars May 01 23:00:36 that's why i like regexps May 01 23:00:37 :) May 01 23:00:49 link against some regexp lib? May 01 23:01:23 ok :) ill see whats around, ta May 01 23:01:52 regex.h :) May 01 23:03:20 pcre May 01 23:03:22 that's the name May 01 23:03:54 do man pcre May 01 23:03:54 :) May 01 23:04:11 or go to ftp://ftp.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programming/pcre May 01 23:04:21 although scanf has the advantage of being almost exponentially more performant... May 01 23:04:56 it will be a book reader May 01 23:05:06 not db converter May 01 23:05:08 scanf works for numbers and constants, but fails for string tokens May 01 23:05:09 :) May 01 23:06:03 actually, i think im gonna write the file as fixed width May 01 23:06:13 then i can just read it without faffing May 01 23:06:53 anyone ever tried to change the taskbar width? May 01 23:07:28 i have changed it's width to 8px once May 01 23:07:36 doesn't looked nice May 01 23:07:40 :) May 01 23:07:48 i can imagine May 01 23:08:04 My fingers are too large for anything smaller. ;) May 01 23:08:30 and background for status bar was wrongly moved to the left too May 01 23:08:39 that's why i use nuvoclear now May 01 23:08:40 :) May 01 23:09:20 thar be no screenshots. May 01 23:09:21 does that little clock for status show up right with nuvo? May 01 23:09:34 yes May 01 23:09:50 here it looks weird May 01 23:09:56 looked May 01 23:10:01 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png May 01 23:10:20 lazy May 01 23:10:45 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/mydesktop2.png May 01 23:11:02 fail. May 01 23:11:31 nice May 01 23:12:00 i had xmms for about 1 hour May 01 23:12:08 i should try it again May 01 23:12:13 had quirks May 01 23:12:41 what quirks? May 01 23:13:19 gui wise May 01 23:13:25 i don't remember May 01 23:13:35 try my build then May 01 23:13:44 deb? May 01 23:13:50 somewhere on that site May 01 23:14:19 probably n800/dist/ May 01 23:14:58 got it May 01 23:15:36 ooooh k May 01 23:15:56 tons of stuff in that xmms dir May 01 23:16:10 mostly deps May 01 23:16:11 :) May 01 23:16:21 you can ignore _dev packages May 01 23:17:21 maiku anyone? May 01 23:17:39 what's etch? May 01 23:17:55 debian's version May 01 23:18:51 hm missing libs May 01 23:19:27 is it possible to tell X-window to use a different display for input and output? May 01 23:19:49 for example, the mouse input is read at one host, but the events are sent to a different host May 01 23:19:53 jldiaz: x2x May 01 23:20:17 KotCzarny, thanks, I'll investigate that. Is it supported on maemo? May 01 23:20:28 if one compiles it for it May 01 23:20:30 :) May 01 23:20:58 I'm thinking that this could be a solutio for the idea I posted today in the forum, about using the n810 as a tablet digitizer May 01 23:21:00 i don't know if x server on tablet listens on tcp/udp though May 01 23:21:14 for sending it should work May 01 23:21:18 :) May 01 23:21:27 but wouldn't it be easier to use vnc? May 01 23:21:28 :> May 01 23:21:36 Hum... May 01 23:21:39 you will get drawing display as a bonus May 01 23:21:40 ;) May 01 23:21:55 perhaps, but more lag, due to the higher bandwidth May 01 23:22:07 lag? that depends on options used May 01 23:22:34 but i agree May 01 23:22:40 if I could turn off the display... May 01 23:22:42 bandwidth is limiter May 01 23:22:42 i think vnc is great, but it wont take over pressure information because motion is translated into a mouse May 01 23:22:47 and only sent the mouse... May 01 23:22:51 that would work May 01 23:23:33 anyway, try x2x May 01 23:23:36 i like the idea of extending normal desktop to it sometimes - have software on the big screen be able to access the display and input May 01 23:23:46 anyway, when I move the mouse in the VNC client, and see how the mouse moves on the display's server... the movement is not smooth May 01 23:24:28 lcuk, this can be done without installing any extra software May 01 23:24:51 simply connect from your tablet to your desktop pc (via ssh -X) and run any desktop application May 01 23:25:09 you probably will find some problems related to fonts, but it should work May 01 23:25:25 not in windows it wouldnt.. May 01 23:25:27 I was able to run gedit this way May 01 23:25:41 gedit run in Ubuntu, but displayed in the n810 May 01 23:25:47 (run->ran) May 01 23:25:48 ssh -X is just a shortcut for ssh -R 6000:127.0.0.1:6000 i think May 01 23:25:49 :) May 01 23:25:54 it is May 01 23:26:01 no May 01 23:26:03 wait May 01 23:26:05 it is not May 01 23:26:10 it is more complex May 01 23:26:23 it is something like May 01 23:26:33 ssh -L 6000:127.0.0.1:6010 May 01 23:26:41 plus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:190 May 01 23:26:43 plus setting the remote DISPLAY to localhost:10 May 01 23:26:51 all transparently May 01 23:27:19 maybe some mitshm cookies are involved too May 01 23:27:23 or perhaps I put the 6000 and 6010 the other way around, but you get the idea May 01 23:28:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia May 01 23:28:34 how quick is that? ie what would the chances of decoding and scaling a large video from desktop with plenty of power and then sending over the wire at correct resolution May 01 23:28:35 nice condition to have May 01 23:28:36 ;) May 01 23:28:54 lcuk: it sends images uncompressed i think May 01 23:29:05 * lcuk scraps that idea May 01 23:29:11 yeah May 01 23:29:12 :) May 01 23:29:42 i might have to see just how much bandwidth is available though May 01 23:30:09 wifi on tablet is limited May 01 23:30:31 hmm.. another crazy idea... Can I run x2x in the desktop PC, and tell it to use the nokia X-server as input? May 01 23:30:45 this way I don't require even to compile x2x for maemo May 01 23:30:52 don't know May 01 23:30:57 refer to x2x documentation May 01 23:31:04 because i haven't used it May 01 23:31:06 :) May 01 23:31:11 I'll try this now :-) May 01 23:38:37 I DID IT!! May 01 23:38:44 ops, sorry for crying May 01 23:38:50 :) May 01 23:39:06 I have to tell this to someone May 01 23:39:17 someone special? May 01 23:39:17 :) May 01 23:39:19 in the nokia, simply: ssh -X myubuntu May 01 23:39:23 good night May 01 23:39:32 then, over the ssh sesion, in myubuntu: May 01 23:39:35 echo $DISPLAY May 01 23:39:42 localhost:11.0 May 01 23:39:46 and then May 01 23:39:54 x2x -from :11 -to :0 May 01 23:39:57 et voila May 01 23:40:07 a blank window opened in the nokia May 01 23:40:21 how about: ssh -X myubuntu DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 x2x -from :11 -to :0 May 01 23:40:22 :) May 01 23:40:33 when I move the stylus over that window, the mouse pointer moves in the ubuntu machine May 01 23:40:49 when I press keys in the n810 keyboard, the letters appear in the ubuntu machine May 01 23:40:55 it's like magic! May 01 23:41:06 no, it's xfree May 01 23:41:07 :) May 01 23:41:11 So I have a cheap (cheap? ehem) digitizer! May 01 23:41:14 and ssh May 01 23:41:40 Perhaps even the pressure information is sent May 01 23:41:46 why not, all is possible May 01 23:42:44 that's a pretty cool trick :) May 01 23:43:45 i like remote computing too May 01 23:43:59 i'm lazy May 01 23:44:00 :) May 01 23:44:17 and I do not loose the control of the mouse in the desktop May 01 23:44:28 I can use the keyboard and mouse normally May 01 23:44:31 and also the tablet May 01 23:44:31 yes May 01 23:44:47 having fun with *nix already? May 01 23:44:48 :) May 01 23:44:54 not new to unix... May 01 23:45:15 but feel like? May 01 23:45:15 :) May 01 23:45:16 I'm using Unix from 1995, and only unix (windows removed) from 2000 May 01 23:45:29 but every day I learn a new trick May 01 23:46:20 yeah, I know the feeling. :) May 01 23:47:03 I'll try running the gimp, to see if pressure information is present May 01 23:47:26 i had some problems with pressure information even on native tablet (thinkpad x41) May 01 23:47:47 managed to use it after some battling though :) May 01 23:48:26 but i don't think it's sent, or read on tablet without some changes in source May 01 23:48:35 no... x2x do not send pressure information :( May 01 23:48:41 tablet == nokia May 01 23:48:43 anyway... far better than the mouse May 01 23:49:33 indeed, the tests I'm doing are a lot more convolved than I told May 01 23:49:59 because I'm at home, but the Ubuntu machine running x2x is at my work May 01 23:50:13 I'm using VNC at home with x11vnc at work May 01 23:50:29 hehe May 01 23:50:39 the nokia is at home, in my LAN, behind the IP of my desktop PC May 01 23:50:47 which uses IP masquerading... May 01 23:50:53 I'm feeling dizzy.. May 01 23:50:56 :D ok, that's a lot more awesome May 01 23:50:58 :) May 01 23:51:09 nah May 01 23:51:11 x2x would be cool on the n810, for mousing May 01 23:51:12 :) May 01 23:51:29 so, I use the stylus in the nokia to move the mouse in the PC at my work, and see the results at the home PC, via VNC May 01 23:51:33 whoa May 01 23:51:40 pretty slick May 01 23:52:07 add a motorized cat and i'm sold May 01 23:52:08 ;) May 01 23:52:11 XD May 01 23:52:18 i there a way to just project one app over vnc from a windows desktop? sort of like x over ssh? May 01 23:52:18 with camera etc May 01 23:52:19 ;) May 01 23:52:43 nm: DISPLAY=something your_app May 01 23:53:08 that work linux to windows? May 01 23:53:15 NullM0dem, if you put the window at some fixed position, you can tell the vnc server to capture only that rectangle May 01 23:53:18 if you have x server running on window May 01 23:53:19 :) May 01 23:53:24 ah cool thanks May 01 23:53:40 im thinking for work May 01 23:53:45 well, in fact I'm not sure about that May 01 23:53:51 depends on the vnc server May 01 23:54:05 and I don't remenber if tightvnc or ultravnc allow for that May 01 23:54:06 only have 2 apps i need windows for, i run 2000 in a vm ontop of linux. May 01 23:54:33 one is a phone control apps i would like to touch screen on the n810 :) May 01 23:54:47 Excuse me, I have to post at itt about the x2x tricj May 01 23:54:50 trick May 01 23:54:57 thanks for the tip, KotCzarny May 01 23:55:52 jldiaz: enjoy your pocket sized desktop remote :) May 01 23:56:12 * KotCzarny waits for the treat May 01 23:56:22 Is there anything I can do about the typing delay on my N800? I experience it when ssh'ing in,when using my bluetooth keyboard, or even when using my usb keyboard. :/ May 01 23:56:35 grackle: lower wifi power saving May 01 23:56:42 uh oh, an inexpected side effect.. May 01 23:56:51 I'm unable to close the x2x session from the nokia! May 01 23:56:56 KotCzarny, that effects usb keyboards used locally? May 01 23:57:11 johnx: that will help with ssh May 01 23:57:12 :) May 01 23:57:14 all the screen is captured, including the close button, application list menu, etc... May 01 23:57:33 I had to killall x2x from the Ubuntu May 01 23:57:35 jildiaz: run killall x2x May 01 23:57:45 you can control ubuntu, yes? May 01 23:57:45 It's not any worse when using ssh May 01 23:57:45 :) May 01 23:58:46 It seems worse in some applications. xterm is particularly bad, which sucks, because that is where most of my typing is done. May 01 23:59:20 sucks... bad May 01 23:59:30 bad criticism sucks May 01 23:59:49 Oops, I wiped the close button off the screen. :P May 02 00:00:23 i'm suffering from a loose battery. ever so gentle bumps cause the tablet to turn off May 02 00:01:08 wonder if this is common? May 02 00:01:27 I dropped mine on the floor and the battery came out. That's sort of similar. May 02 00:01:44 asciimstr had a problem that sounded similar but he never traced it to the battery May 02 00:01:50 that would make the most sense though... May 02 00:01:51 lcdd: are the battery springs springing properly? May 02 00:02:14 It might be worth cleaning them and the battery contact error May 02 00:02:16 area May 02 00:02:40 trying cleaning right now May 02 00:02:45 Is it actually the battery? Like, when you poke at the battery, it stops working? May 02 00:02:46 just get a piece of paper folded over a could of times to ensure the battery is snugly seated May 02 00:02:57 hmm May 02 00:03:04 Grackle: i guess it might be something else, but i doubt it May 02 00:03:20 my battery just falls out if the back isnt on, and the back is flimsy so i can understand it being the battery May 02 00:03:39 Makes sense to me. May 02 00:03:47 i like snugly seated May 02 00:04:12 hmm.. song name May 02 00:07:08 So does anyone else experience the typing delay I mentioned, or is it just that nobody else is really bothered by it? May 02 00:07:22 just a minute May 02 00:08:21 Grackle, I run into it in a web browser where it is really annoying May 02 00:08:38 in most other cases it isn't quite enough to bother me May 02 00:08:45 right im typing now from my 810 using bt keyboard and it seems as instant as it always has May 02 00:08:52 but I've been used to putting up with ssh connections over modems for a long time O_o May 02 00:09:09 i think though on the screen its not refreshing instantly May 02 00:09:25 but thats just a graphics limitation at the resolution/colordepth May 02 00:09:43 lcuk2, but does it seem like a screen refresh issue or a typing lag issue? May 02 00:10:05 its not typing lag because i can press return and have instant results and be ready to type the next line May 02 00:10:09 it's definitely a typing issue on my machine May 02 00:10:11 i get instant response on 770. heard one other complaint about slow bluetooth on n810 May 02 00:10:12 its not a case of any kind of lag May 02 00:10:13 replying to a post on iTT on the tablet easily gets me 30 seconds plus of typing lag May 02 00:10:13 lcuk2: you could try VNCing into another machine (or ssh+screen) so you can see the output elsewhere May 02 00:10:31 hmmm May 02 00:10:38 im reading back my text from the big screen as well as from the tablet screen May 02 00:10:44 i can be in two places at once May 02 00:10:55 see i am up there as well May 02 00:11:07 no lag May 02 00:11:16 no slowdown all instant? May 02 00:11:24 do you have something running taking cpu May 02 00:11:33 probably just microb :/ May 02 00:11:50 sounds reasonable May 02 00:12:03 especially with flash or something on screen May 02 00:12:06 low memory situation? May 02 00:12:30 btw. anyone else experienced speedups when disabling maemo-launcher's gtk booster? May 02 00:12:41 im taking this little keyboard on holiday and i have gcc on tablet now May 02 00:12:59 im only missing a couple of libraries and i can dev directly on it May 02 00:13:40 no but then again i dont personally run too much on mine May 02 00:14:04 Hmm KotCzarny? May 02 00:14:33 grackle? May 02 00:14:39 ok i think i need to sleep May 02 00:14:46 gnite ppl May 02 00:14:49 What is this gtk booster you speak of? May 02 00:14:50 nite lcuk May 02 00:14:51 :) May 02 00:15:01 done May 02 00:15:04 grackle: it's supposed to speedup starting gtk apps May 02 00:15:06 (posting to itt) May 02 00:15:11 but eats 20-30mb of ram May 02 00:15:21 and efficiently slowing everything down May 02 00:15:22 oh May 02 00:15:23 :) May 02 00:15:27 KotCzarny, while posting, I simplified further the command: May 02 00:15:27 hah May 02 00:15:31 but that's my opinion May 02 00:15:32 ssh -X myUnixDesktopIP x2x -to :0 May 02 00:15:48 the -from can be ommited, and in that case it takes the value of DISPLAY May 02 00:15:57 that makes the command much more general May 02 00:16:10 because the -X option not always uses the :11 as display May 02 00:16:21 :) May 02 00:16:25 it depends on how much -X connectios you have stablished May 02 00:16:44 yup, you should leave ssh to set up display variable for you May 02 00:16:45 :) May 02 00:16:52 exactly May 02 00:16:56 and x2x to use it May 02 00:17:27 it is a nice one-liner :) May 02 00:17:44 * KotCzarny likes oneliners May 02 00:18:22 however, despite my enthusiasm, it is actually not very useful May 02 00:18:45 * Grackle is running x-forwarded xchat right meow May 02 00:18:53 you cannot "move only" the mouse using the stylus, you aways "drag the mouse" May 02 00:19:04 because when you tap, you left-click May 02 00:19:10 :) May 02 00:19:24 and if you do not tap, you dont have any cue about where the pointer is May 02 00:19:34 vnc then May 02 00:19:50 yep May 02 00:20:00 but it's general fun of interpeting tablet cursor May 02 00:20:07 interpreting May 02 00:20:24 most emulators suck hard on it :/ May 02 00:21:20 I guess that with enough training, you'll develop a sense of the position of the mouse, depending on the position of your hand over the tablet May 02 00:21:35 or a proper wallpaper? May 02 00:21:36 :) May 02 00:22:00 that's an idea, but when you run the remote x2x, all the local screen is blanked May 02 00:22:10 (or "whited" to be precise) May 02 00:22:39 :) May 02 00:23:07 we need a new application, kind of VNC but with very infrequent screen updates May 02 00:23:17 blunketh May 02 00:23:27 or can be that configured in standard vnc? May 02 00:23:34 manual May 02 00:23:35 :) May 02 00:23:40 because i don't know May 02 00:23:41 :) May 02 00:26:44 well, it is 2:26AM here, I'll better go to bed May 02 00:26:59 see you! May 02 00:27:05 :) May 02 00:27:25 2:26 AM it's good time for coffe ;) May 02 00:29:41 'night jldiaz May 02 00:35:54 i installed xmms but it's not showing up in apps May 02 00:36:08 maybe in 'others' May 02 00:38:02 nobody has done freenx yet May 02 00:38:27 i found a guy in australia who was developing freenx thin clients for ARM back in.. 2002 May 02 00:38:35 not in any menus May 02 00:38:48 but it's in app manager May 02 00:39:27 well, if you installed mine 1.2.11 it should have added itself to apps May 02 00:40:25 i went to the repository May 02 00:40:38 but now i have the libs at least May 02 00:40:47 so i could get your May 02 00:40:49 s May 02 00:41:39 <|thunder> tablet-encode and mediasrv rock ! May 02 00:41:50 assuming they have fixed that dialogs issue you don't have to :) May 02 00:42:39 but if file open dialog shows under the window then go on :) May 02 00:42:48 libmikmod missing May 02 00:43:05 look in libs May 02 00:44:12 found May 02 00:44:18 dev one May 02 00:44:26 ignore _dev May 02 00:45:02 i mean you need regular one not _dev package May 02 00:45:55 crashed. can you link to your url agsin? May 02 00:46:08 mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/ May 02 00:46:08 should have bookmarked it May 02 00:46:31 ty May 02 00:51:07 no go May 02 00:51:17 updated xmms w/yours May 02 00:51:32 look in the last category, last position May 02 00:51:33 i guess i should uninstall first May 02 00:51:36 in menu May 02 00:52:22 not there May 02 00:52:33 but you can start it with xmms ? May 02 00:53:00 xterm? May 02 00:53:04 yes May 02 00:53:18 should be able to lets try May 02 01:19:42 hey sorry dealing with a bootcamp installation May 02 01:19:54 i'll oick this up a lil later May 02 01:47:19 anyone using twitter through gtalk on their tablet? May 02 02:07:26 heil! May 02 02:24:12 Weird question about linux. Linus said he created Linux while studying at a University.... Doesn't that mean that the Univeristy has the rights to Linux? May 02 02:24:35 nope, he created it outside of class May 02 02:24:49 and against his teacher hints May 02 02:24:53 ;) May 02 02:25:27 or paradigms May 02 02:25:28 ;) May 02 02:26:46 I would assume that you'd own the copyright even if it was for class, unless you used the teacher's specific work as a direct base of your own work May 02 02:27:14 It depends on what agreements you made with the university. May 02 02:27:23 mibus, it can be complicated in many cases, especially if the university is paying you to do the research May 02 02:27:27 derf: That would be true, I suppose. May 02 02:27:37 http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/gaming/wii/devices/3827&cl=us,en <- best 15 dollar USB keyboard that I've found so far May 02 02:27:39 >_> May 02 02:27:44 johnx: I hadn't considered that (I never went beyond a "normal" degree myself) May 02 02:27:46 Yeah, usually if you're a student you haven't agreed to much. May 02 02:27:57 But once you become an employee, they ask you to sign all kinds of things. May 02 02:28:05 Navi, that thing is ginormous though O_o May 02 02:28:15 It's not that bad May 02 02:28:16 I see May 02 02:28:21 Te size of a normal keyboard May 02 02:28:29 he was studying Operating Systems at that time May 02 02:29:13 Can't find anything small for 15 May 02 02:31:24 Well, there's this I guess: http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/ultraslimkey.htm May 02 02:31:47 nice, but still bigish May 02 02:32:12 Chop off the numpad with a hacksaw :D May 02 02:32:15 I'll see if I can dig up the listing for mine, but I don't know how you'd get it shipped May 02 02:33:23 The Saitek Ultra Slim isn't too big. May 02 02:34:16 just the media buttons up top waste space :( May 02 02:36:41 Navi: I'm using that keyboard right now May 02 02:36:44 LOVE it May 02 02:36:53 The Ultra Slim? May 02 02:37:19 No, the logitech May 02 02:38:36 Ah May 02 02:39:22 Is it wireless? May 02 02:39:36 no, just the $15 usb keyboard May 02 02:39:41 Oh right May 02 02:40:08 Had wireless but went back to wired. May 02 02:40:16 I have the wireless version of that. May 02 02:40:31 Heh May 02 02:40:44 I hate how the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdwn island is laid out, but other than that it's decent. May 02 02:40:58 I'm fine with it May 02 02:41:10 Oh, the spacebar rattles when I play my music loud, but I wouldn't really call that a fault. May 02 02:41:11 The key feel is really good May 02 02:41:37 I'm still waiting for johnx to pull up teh listing May 02 02:41:38 ^_^ May 02 02:41:45 yeah, so am I May 02 02:42:04 my keyboard has *no brand* sticker on it May 02 02:42:14 ah, it's prolly in the logs :D May 02 02:42:16 Heh May 02 02:42:17 * johnx searches May 02 02:45:08 any twitter users? May 02 02:45:28 I have an account - is that the same thing? ;) May 02 02:46:08 keep from using it for as long as you can, worse than crack May 02 02:46:13 lol May 02 02:46:28 I only know a couple of others using it, which seems to limit it a fair bit May 02 02:47:01 I try to follow the tech pundits...there's often something good there. May 02 02:47:18 any examples? May 02 02:47:22 suggestions, rather? May 02 02:47:42 leolaporte and therealdvorak are interesting May 02 02:47:54 thanks, I'll look into them May 02 02:48:06 hey johnx? May 02 02:48:16 hey penguinbait? May 02 02:48:28 hang on...i've heard this joke May 02 02:48:56 must be a take on the waltons May 02 02:49:05 have you ever attempted to start a second X instance on tablet? May 02 02:49:24 like Xomap -- :2 May 02 02:49:40 no, but i wouldn't guess there would be any problem May 02 02:50:04 it seems to bleed through current screen May 02 02:50:12 hackish May 02 02:50:13 :) May 02 02:50:18 I am thinking I need getty May 02 02:50:22 ? May 02 02:50:40 can you run getty on these things? May 02 02:50:44 hmm...it should figure out how get a new VT May 02 02:50:50 that's a kernel level thing I thought May 02 02:51:13 are you sure that it's not just failing to update the screen until you refresh it? May 02 02:51:33 Navi, http://www.faith-go.co.jp/lists/viewitem.asp?id=000000200521158&rk=01000q4h00001w May 02 02:51:35 it sure would be nice to have kde and maemo runnning at the same tme May 02 02:51:49 I guess, but the swapping would be pretty miserable May 02 02:51:50 :/ May 02 02:51:52 just toggle back an fourth May 02 02:52:20 johnx, O_o May 02 02:52:30 not sure, it might be ok May 02 02:53:15 Navi, the whole thing is about as wide as the key area on a normal keyboard May 02 02:53:25 (ie, from left shift to enter) May 02 02:53:40 the d-pad is a little mushy but usable May 02 02:56:09 Oh, I figure as much May 02 02:56:25 So are the keys condensed? May 02 02:56:30 oh yeah May 02 02:56:46 noticeably May 02 02:56:49 * Navi can't read japanese :( May 02 02:57:06 you mean to understand the page? or to use the keyboard? May 02 02:57:19 Haha May 02 02:57:22 The page May 02 02:58:14 the price is 1400JPY, which is almost exactly $14 these days May 02 02:59:50 I knew that much **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 02 02:59:57 2008