**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 02 02:59:57 2008
May 02 03:00:03 <johnx> :D really though, the page doesn't say much about it
May 02 03:00:03 <Navi> but that's all
May 02 03:00:09 <Navi> mmk
May 02 03:00:58 <johnx> it has 88 keys, and it's called the "su-ri-ma-mi-ni-ki-bo-do"
May 02 03:01:01 <johnx> that's about it
May 02 03:01:31 <Navi> mmk
May 02 03:02:23 <johnx> I know there are a couple mini-keyboards that should be available in the US
May 02 03:03:54 <Navi> Where do you live?
May 02 03:03:58 <johnx> Japan
May 02 03:04:01 <Navi> icic
May 02 03:04:25 <johnx> I picked the keyboard in Akihabara for $15 from a little shop that sells almost nothing but keyboards :)
May 02 03:04:31 <Navi> Hehe
May 02 03:04:47 <johnx> well, keyboards, asus eeepcs, and ds mod chips :D
May 02 03:04:53 <Navi> :P
May 02 03:08:58 <Navi> Mmm
May 02 03:10:56 <Navi> In a slightly related note, there's this Japanese person that moved here I know who works in a Taiwanese food place
May 02 03:12:24 <johnx> cool. I guess that balances things out. (I'm American)
May 02 03:14:32 <Navi> The shelves there are packed full of mangas in mandarin
May 02 03:15:58 <Navi> I can't read those either, so bleh
May 02 03:16:10 <johnx> heh...manga, something for everyone
May 02 03:16:17 <johnx> and I mean *everyone*
May 02 03:16:21 <Navi> :)
May 02 03:16:39 <johnx> you like playing tag? there's a manga about it! how about checkers? sure!
May 02 03:16:44 <Navi> Haha
May 02 03:16:45 <KotCzarny> mostly for pedophiles
May 02 03:16:46 <KotCzarny> :>
May 02 03:16:51 <NullM0dem> lol
May 02 03:17:00 <johnx> yay, KotCzarny presents his informed opinion!
May 02 03:17:05 <Navi> indeed
May 02 03:17:07 <KotCzarny> well
May 02 03:17:16 <Navi> I like reading manga using comix on the N800
May 02 03:17:36 <Navi> the default keybinds were horrible and the hold for right click menu sucked
May 02 03:17:48 <KotCzarny> johnx, but hey, all of them look like children
May 02 03:18:01 <KotCzarny> even 'mature' girls
May 02 03:18:04 <johnx> except when they don't
May 02 03:18:12 <KotCzarny> name one?
May 02 03:19:03 <KotCzarny> and i don't say there are no good mangas
May 02 03:19:24 <NullM0dem> hey guys, im tyring to back up the maps from my n810 so i can format the internal memory card, i cant seem to copy without error's. anyone know of a way around this. my card is corrupt from the factory, i would wipe the maps if i knew i could grab them online...
May 02 03:19:31 <KotCzarny> but most of them are just run on the mill legs
May 02 03:19:32 <KotCzarny> :)
May 02 03:19:37 <NullM0dem> hentai or manga?
May 02 03:19:41 <KotCzarny> manga
May 02 03:20:13 <KotCzarny> nm: cp or tar fails?
May 02 03:20:25 <NullM0dem> they all do look young... then again so do most woman from japan
May 02 03:20:52 <NullM0dem> im using winblows, get cant read from sector error. i could try under linux but i feel its a corrupt read problem
May 02 03:21:02 <KotCzarny> just skip offending file
May 02 03:21:09 <KotCzarny> :)
May 02 03:21:17 <NullM0dem> might as well wipe the maps
May 02 03:21:19 <NullM0dem> :P
May 02 03:21:38 <johnx> use dd or the equivalent
May 02 03:22:00 <NullM0dem> makes sense, need to switch to real OS first
May 02 03:22:01 <NullM0dem> thanks
May 02 03:22:51 <NullM0dem> any BS=  tips?   or should i just dd if=/dev/mmcfoo of=bar.img
May 02 03:23:18 <KotCzarny> i think there was a version of dd that skips over unreadable sectors
May 02 03:23:33 <johnx> I'm willing to bet the corruption is at the fs level though
May 02 03:23:48 <NullM0dem> my map apps crashes too
May 02 03:23:58 <NullM0dem> i feel ive lost them
May 02 03:24:09 <NullM0dem> anyplace to redownload?
May 02 03:24:24 <johnx> yeah, there's a site, but you can download on the tablet too IIRC
May 02 03:24:34 <NullM0dem> coool
May 02 03:24:44 <NullM0dem> formatting :)
May 02 03:24:55 <NullM0dem> i still have to upgrade to 2008
May 02 03:27:35 <n800n> doesn't nokia have a map downloader?
May 02 03:27:49 <n800n> for pc
May 02 03:27:59 <n800n> iirc
May 02 03:28:34 <mibus> NullM0dem: IIRC, conv=noerror stops dd from bailing entirely on read errors
May 02 03:28:56 <mibus> NullM0dem: I used to dd floppies for recovery back in the day
May 02 03:29:03 <n800n> lotsof iircs
May 02 03:29:16 <mibus> NullM0dem: copy the whole disk as an image, then try mounting that
May 02 03:29:55 <NullM0dem> mibus thanks, very usefull
May 02 03:30:03 <mibus> NullM0dem: no probs
May 02 03:31:21 <n800n> mounting is good
May 02 03:35:21 <NullM0dem> n800n: that depends on what your mounting :-P
May 02 03:35:34 <KotCzarny> 'you are'
May 02 03:36:01 <NullM0dem> :(
May 02 03:36:46 <n800n> you'd think there are lots of mounting jokes in the nix world
May 02 03:41:44 <Proteous> at least buy me dinner first
May 02 03:42:40 <penguinbait> http://www.schabell.com/2007/09/saw-this-on-t-shirt-unix-joke.html
May 02 03:43:38 <penguinbait> can you believe they left out head??
May 02 03:53:47 <n800n> hah
May 02 03:54:19 <penguinbait> somebody laughed :)
May 02 03:54:46 <NullM0dem> does the latest 2008 firmware contain that internal memory read only bug?
May 02 03:55:27 <NullM0dem> id change it to grep -i burnette
May 02 03:55:34 <NullM0dem> :)
May 02 03:55:37 <KotCzarny> burn'ett
May 02 03:55:39 <KotCzarny> e
May 02 03:55:42 <NullM0dem> doh
May 02 03:59:20 <penguinbait> night
May 02 04:00:24 <n800n> apple's windows drivers suck.
May 02 04:03:19 <Navi> indeed
May 02 04:40:53 <JasonWoof> can I use a different keymap for my bluetooth keyboard?
May 02 04:41:03 <JasonWoof> (n810)
May 02 05:01:45 <JasonWoof> there's two rather obvious and annoying problems with osso-xterm: 1) when you close the terminal (whith ctrl-d) it goes white, but does not close the window
May 02 05:02:44 <JasonWoof> 2) when you open a new window from the menu->Windows->New Window thing it opens, but doesn't get keyboard focus
May 02 05:18:06 <rm_you> hrm
May 02 05:18:12 <rm_you> time to figure out how to disassemble my n800 >_>
May 02 05:18:17 <Navi> Woo
May 02 05:18:23 <rm_you> sup johnx
May 02 05:18:29 <rm_you> hey Navi :P
May 02 05:18:34 <Navi> hiya
May 02 05:18:35 <rm_you> gah, i've been gone for a while >_>
May 02 05:28:05 <rm_you> damn
May 02 05:28:09 <rm_you> no star screwdriver >_>
May 02 05:32:00 <Navi> Heh
May 02 05:32:06 <Navi> Sucks
May 02 05:38:07 <rm_you> or...
May 02 05:38:10 <rm_you> i guess it's a hex
May 02 05:39:14 <Navi> :P
May 02 05:39:28 <KotCzarny> hex star?
May 02 05:39:29 <KotCzarny> :)
May 02 05:39:59 <Navi> Hey qwerty12
May 02 05:40:05 <qwerty12> Hi Navi
May 02 06:14:14 <rm_you> damn... took it entirely apart, checked every connection three times, and it's still rebooting after less than 10 seconds every startup
May 02 06:14:37 <rm_you> but it does the same thing in debian, so i'm pretty sure it isn't my flash, either
May 02 06:14:41 <rm_you> but i'm still going to check
May 02 06:14:53 <qwerty12> :(. dmesg saying anything?
May 02 06:15:37 <rm_you> got a terminal and dmesg up RIGHT before it died this time
May 02 06:15:48 <rm_you> said something about a jffs2 CRC failing
May 02 06:15:55 <threethirtyN800> hello all
May 02 06:16:05 <rm_you> i guess my filesystem could be corrupted, but that's probably an effect, not the cause
May 02 06:16:12 <rm_you> err, side-effect
May 02 06:16:16 <qwerty12> Hmm, my N800 does that sometimes and restarts on boot, it fixes it and reboots again.
May 02 06:16:36 <rm_you> could be bad ram?
May 02 06:16:39 <rm_you> ram/rom?
May 02 06:16:44 <rm_you> err
May 02 06:16:45 <rm_you> bad flash?
May 02 06:16:57 <qwerty12> But yes, I always get them if I shutdown by taking out the battery for example so it could be an effect.
May 02 06:17:00 <KotCzarny> i bet on bad chip
May 02 06:17:13 <KotCzarny> or bad connection somewhere
May 02 06:17:35 <rm_you> i rechecked every connection a lot
May 02 06:17:36 <KotCzarny> fe. unsoldered chip/lane
May 02 06:17:40 <rm_you> ah
May 02 06:17:43 <rm_you> that kind of connection :/
May 02 06:17:46 <KotCzarny> it can be unseen for the eye
May 02 06:17:56 <rm_you> yeah
May 02 06:17:58 <rm_you> well
May 02 06:18:03 <rm_you> i could take it to the engineering department
May 02 06:18:09 <KotCzarny> yup
May 02 06:18:20 <rm_you> theres an electronics guy there that is super helpful
May 02 06:18:29 <KotCzarny> experienced elecrtonics know some tricks
May 02 06:18:31 <rm_you> not sure how he would check stuff tho :/
May 02 06:18:45 <KotCzarny> bring gifts?
May 02 06:18:46 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 02 06:20:46 <threethirtyN800> i have a really quick question, can someone point me to some info on fiximg my repos.  i cant get them to refesh
May 02 06:21:31 <rm_you> yeah it happens EXACTLY at the same time every time...
May 02 06:21:55 <KotCzarny> rm_you: but you can flash it?
May 02 06:21:57 <rm_you> i watch dmesg.... and it is basically blank... blank... blank... jffs2 CRC message -> crash
May 02 06:22:03 <rm_you> KotCzarny: yes...
May 02 06:22:11 <rm_you> but this is the 6th or 7th flash with the same problem >_>
May 02 06:22:16 <KotCzarny> tried cloning to sd ?
May 02 06:22:22 <rm_you> whenever i flash it, it gets better for about a day
May 02 06:22:27 <rm_you> and then degrades back to every 10 seconds
May 02 06:22:42 <qwerty12> How do you shutdown your N8*0 out of question?
May 02 06:23:05 <rm_you> KotCzarny: I could try running off SD
May 02 06:23:10 <rm_you> i will try that right now
May 02 06:23:10 <rm_you> err
May 02 06:23:18 <KotCzarny> rm_you: that would exclude bad flash
May 02 06:23:19 <rm_you> well no... i am doing that with debian tho already
May 02 06:23:21 <rm_you> and same problem
May 02 06:23:33 <rm_you> i think... let me verify
May 02 06:27:46 <qwerty12> solmumaha, Is it ok if I use your deb file and script for my ROTT half port please? I don't mind if you refuse, it would just make things easier for me.
May 02 06:28:00 <qwerty12> ^script to run the duke3d
May 02 06:45:12 <rm_you> hrm
May 02 06:45:21 <rm_you> damn, yep... it reboots from debian too
May 02 07:55:23 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 02 07:58:52 <pupnik_> o/ Jaffa
May 02 08:03:15 <rm_you> hey Jaffa
May 02 08:03:27 <rm_you> any idea if mediaserv works for PS3 streaming? :P
May 02 08:04:26 <Ulysses222> Hi Jaffa, I have an issue with mediaserv and video center integration.
May 02 08:10:22 <Jaffa> rm_you: dunno, buy me a PS3 and I'll make it work ;-)
May 02 08:13:48 <rm_you> lol
May 02 08:13:57 <rm_you> same could be said the other way around :P
May 02 08:14:17 <rm_you> i don't actually have a PS3 yet, i'm just deciding how long it'd take me to make mediaserv work for it if i got one
May 02 08:14:27 <rm_you> i was kinda hoping it might just "work" already :P
May 02 08:17:41 <Cptnodegard> morning earthlings
May 02 08:18:28 <Cptnodegard> last night i dreamt i had a tamagotchi app for the n800, that i had to feed by taking pics of food and sending to it with bt o_0
May 02 08:18:43 <Cptnodegard> time to put away the tablet and go explore real life?
May 02 08:20:29 <rm_you> lol
May 02 08:22:12 <Navi> Woo
May 02 08:22:23 <Navi> That'd be fun
May 02 08:48:48 <aquatix> morning all
May 02 09:10:40 <johnx> hey rm_you
May 02 09:36:12 <Cptnodegard> um halp
May 02 09:36:14 <Cptnodegard> Warning: Wrong parameter count for str_replace() in /home/moedegaard/public_html/ctrlaltdel.php on line 9
May 02 09:36:18 <Cptnodegard> wtf does that mean+
May 02 09:36:35 <KotCzarny> maybe parameter count is wrong
May 02 09:36:41 <Cptnodegard> and what is that?
May 02 09:36:51 <KotCzarny> count of parameters
May 02 09:37:04 <Cptnodegard> ...you dont know php do you? :/
May 02 09:37:11 <KotCzarny> i do
May 02 09:37:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 02 09:37:16 <Cptnodegard> halp? 8#
May 02 09:37:20 <jani> you are propably using #define'd string as a parameter and preprocessor doesnt see the % parameters ?
May 02 09:37:21 <KotCzarny> it's just a mixture of c and perl
May 02 09:37:32 <Cptnodegard>         $url = str_replace("\<tr>\<td valign=\"top\">", $val);
May 02 09:37:35 <Cptnodegard> thats the line in question
May 02 09:37:44 <Cptnodegard> oh wait
May 02 09:37:47 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 02 09:37:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 02 09:37:50 <jani> =)
May 02 09:37:53 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 02 09:38:05 <KotCzarny> we are glad to be of any help ;)
May 02 09:39:11 <Cptnodegard> lol
May 02 09:44:42 <Cptnodegard> in my defense i dont knowany php...im just modifying shit :D
May 02 09:46:01 <Cptnodegard> thats the 6th webcomic added to canola photocast ^^
May 02 09:47:21 <Blafasel> Hm?
May 02 09:47:24 <Blafasel> webcomics?
May 02 09:47:33 <Blafasel> Elaborate.. ;)
May 02 09:47:40 <Cptnodegard> you know, like xkcd.com, ctrl alt del etc
May 02 09:47:59 <Blafasel> I need a way to feed on xkcd, userfriendly, vgcats, giantitp/order of the stick and wulffmorgenthaler
May 02 09:48:04 <Cptnodegard> im using PHP to extract the latest comic and make a XML readable by canola
May 02 09:48:10 <Blafasel> So - where? How?
May 02 09:48:12 <Blafasel> Ah..
May 02 09:48:34 <Cptnodegard> this only works with the latest comics but sure can be adapted by someone who actually know php
May 02 09:48:38 <Cptnodegard> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19698
May 02 09:48:49 <tank-man> why not use plucker to grab the comics
May 02 09:49:42 <Blafasel> Cptnodegard: Hmm.. Interesting. I wonder what the legal situation is there, though
May 02 09:49:44 <Cptnodegard> i ant the comics on canola, and only really need the newest ones
May 02 09:50:22 <Cptnodegard> dunno, Blafasel. im not physically copying the comics, im just removing everything but the link to the actual thing
May 02 09:50:33 <Cptnodegard> an automatic way of "copy image location"
May 02 09:51:02 <Blafasel> Yeah. It's just a kind of "deep linking" imo. Well, nice anyway and a good idea.
May 02 09:51:20 <Cptnodegard> worst case scenario i remove the ITT topic and use it only for personal use :)
May 02 09:51:31 <Blafasel> ;-)
May 02 09:52:42 <Cptnodegard> i have other php thingies as well... a script that lets me add postal tracking numbers (norway only) and get a feed that shows me the latest status of the package on the n800 rss reader
May 02 09:55:13 <Cptnodegard> the userfriendly ones is gif which canola wont do... i have aconversion script but havent made those feeds public because thats physically tampering with the strips
May 02 09:57:02 <Blafasel> canola doesn't do gif? Is there still a patent issue with gif files? Or is this an oversight?
May 02 09:57:53 <Jaffa> Patent's expired, I think.
May 02 09:58:30 <Cptnodegard> if its not the feed only...it says no photos in feed if they are gif
May 02 09:59:49 <Cptnodegard> hmmm
May 02 10:00:28 <Cptnodegard> whats the wildcard for php? if i want the replace function to remove a dynamic line in between others?
May 02 10:00:32 <Cptnodegard> other static ones*
May 02 10:01:15 <Blafasel> I don't understand the question, sorry
May 02 10:01:55 <Cptnodegard> no biggie
May 02 10:02:51 <Blafasel> But you might want to look into preg_replace / ereg_replace for "advanced" replacements
May 02 10:03:16 <Cptnodegard> again...dont know shit about php :) i jsut got a working script from a freidna dn adapting it for each comic
May 02 10:03:41 <Cptnodegard> i got all the ones i want so ill leave it to others if they want to continue the idea
May 02 10:41:46 <florian> good morning
May 02 10:41:55 <wom-_> afternoon :)
May 02 10:46:14 <lardman> morning
May 02 10:49:36 <lcuk> evening :P
May 02 10:50:23 <lcuk> i heard from the travel agency, ill be arriving at dinner time on wednesday and leaving on saturday teatime
May 02 10:51:56 <Cptnodegard> time travel?
May 02 10:52:14 <Cptnodegard> oh nvm
May 02 10:52:25 <lardman> I booked yesterday, getting there on Tuesday evening, leaving Sat evening
May 02 10:52:29 <lcuk> could be fun.
May 02 10:54:13 <lcuk> i still dont know which hotel i am in, for all i know i could be expected to sleep on the streets
May 02 10:54:31 <lardman> lol, i can't remember the name of the one I booked
May 02 10:54:37 <lcuk> "you're a devloper, code up your own accommodation"
May 02 10:55:41 <lcuk> are you beavering away on dsp this afternoon then, or taking it easy
May 02 10:55:52 <lardman> lcuk: day job!
May 02 10:55:59 <lardman> :)
May 02 10:56:23 <lcuk> ahhh i never knew your dayjob was talkin in maemo :P
May 02 10:56:29 <lcuk> (sounds like mine as well)
May 02 10:56:29 <lardman> though with that said, I might try to debug some DSP code if I get bored (strange thing I know)
May 02 10:57:17 <lcuk> not really, i find it relaxing to code most of the time
May 02 10:57:35 <lcuk> i see it as playing a game, get all the right pieces into place and you level up
May 02 10:57:52 <lcuk> sometimes, theres a big evil end of level nasty which you have to work harder to get rid of ;0
May 02 10:58:40 <lardman> I like the challenge of learning something new
May 02 10:58:52 <lardman> and when you finish it's a good feeling too :)
May 02 10:59:31 <lcuk> the problem is, like painting a good picture you are never finished.  you have to draw the line somewhere
May 02 11:00:14 <lcuk> my boss says we don't wanna be van goghs, we want reward for our hard work whilst we are still alive to enjoy it
May 02 11:00:19 <lardman> :)
May 02 11:00:56 <lcuk> have you actually got the dsp outputting real data now btw?
May 02 11:01:18 <lardman> no, still odd patterns
May 02 11:01:48 <lardman> though I've fed it a known pattern and tried outputting it as RGB444, so I can see if I can make some sense of it
May 02 11:01:50 <lcuk> but thats par for the course with the framebuffer.  are you starting with odd patterns though
May 02 11:02:40 <lardman> yeah, was starting with a movie decoded to yv12 by the mplayer -vo yv4mpeg option
May 02 11:02:48 <lcuk> i went through similar trials when i was first messing with omapfb, it wasnt until i moved to xv that it started to make proper sense - i just think my mind understands planar better
May 02 11:03:27 * lcuk was brought up with amiga bitplanes
May 02 11:03:50 <lardman> ~lart my network for continually resetting my sftp connection
May 02 11:03:51 * infobot puts my network through a wood chipper for continually resetting my sftp connection
May 02 11:05:05 <lcuk> are you taking a dev environment to germany with you?
May 02 11:05:14 <lcuk> ie laptop
May 02 11:05:22 <lardman> no, just N810
May 02 11:05:55 <lcuk> :O so how will you manage to make changes to code whilst sat in the bar?
May 02 11:06:08 <lardman> :)
May 02 11:06:13 <lardman> I don't own a laptop
May 02 11:06:17 <lcuk> having said that, ive got gcc and most of the dev tools on my 810
May 02 11:07:07 <lcuk> i didnt until very recently - i was about 2mm from buying an eee, but i ended up getting hold of a spare machine
May 02 11:08:51 <lcuk> does the dsp run in armel?
May 02 11:08:56 <lcuk> or is it x86 only
May 02 11:09:03 <lcuk> dsp compiler ^
May 02 11:09:23 <lardman> x86 only
May 02 11:10:04 <lcuk> thats a shame - linux or win binary?
May 02 11:10:28 <lardman> Linux binary
May 02 11:10:51 <lcuk> its not all bad then :P
May 02 11:11:23 <lardman> no, works fine
May 02 11:12:01 <lcuk> ill have to have a look at this dsp stuff soon enough  if i can hand off even some of the blitting it should make life easier
May 02 11:12:32 <lardman> only if you need to do some conversion to the data before blitting though, otherwise it's just overhad
May 02 11:12:35 <lardman> overhead
May 02 11:13:30 <lcuk> so giving it a list of pointers and offsets and saying "blit all these" wouldnt be worth it?
May 02 11:14:03 <lardman> hmm
May 02 11:14:25 <lardman> all of the pointers would have to point to the shared memory region
May 02 11:14:33 <lardman> so that the DSP can access the data
May 02 11:14:44 <lcuk> i wouldnt expect it to be quick enough to do individual blits for me - the startup/shutdown overheads would be too great
May 02 11:15:12 <lardman> but if the overhead of blitting each element is more significant than the overhrad of the ioctl call to tell the DSP to do it, then it might be worth doing
May 02 11:16:09 <lcuk> ok, so at present i create a standard block of memory for font glyph data (though it could be sprites or something)  if i made that a shm region it may work - hell the dsp could do the scaling for me with those
May 02 11:16:20 <lcuk> brb
May 02 11:16:34 <lardman> yes
May 02 11:25:55 <lcuk> (damn customers calling up disturbing me) cool about that :) shall get to specifics another time.  i must dash properly, cya later lardman
May 02 11:26:03 <lardman> np, cu
May 02 11:26:58 <lardman> ssvb: ping
May 02 11:36:07 * Jaffa yawns
May 02 11:36:20 * Jaffa copies more stuff over to his N810 for the long flight to JavaOne tomorrow
May 02 11:42:47 <lardman> Jaffa: See if you can find out about Jazelle :)
May 02 11:43:09 <lardman> Ask them about the undocumented CPU coprocessor registers ;)
May 02 11:43:28 <Jaffa> I'll try and nick some confidential stuff of the ARM stand ;)
May 02 11:44:01 <lardman> actually see if they'll sue us if we get something running
May 02 11:47:28 <lardman> hmm, I've just read in that YUV data (4:2:0) and plotted in in MATLAB, and curiously I can display the Y plane by reading in 320x240 uchars; but then I need to read in 6 uchars, then the U and V planes 320/2 * 240/2
May 02 11:47:41 <lardman> if that extra 6 uchars padding?
May 02 11:49:02 <derf> Unlikely... 320x240 is divisible by 1024.
May 02 11:49:35 <derf> What are the _first_ 6 chars of data?
May 02 11:49:38 <lardman> ah, but the 1/2 size U and V planes aren't, so perhaps they are padded - I've not looked at their contents (as they are almost monochromatic)
May 02 11:49:57 <derf> Usually you pad the _end_ of data to align the _start_.
May 02 11:49:58 <lardman> the first 5 or so frames (Y+U+V) are all 0
May 02 11:51:22 <ssvb> hi lardman
May 02 11:51:26 <lardman> hi ssvb
May 02 11:51:56 <lardman> I'm battling with yuv4mpeg output :)
May 02 11:51:57 <derf> I have no idea where you got this data, but stuff like the yuv4mpeg2 format prefixes each frame with the string "FRAME\n".
May 02 11:52:05 <derf> Ah hah.
May 02 11:52:20 <lardman> right, that may explain it then :)
May 02 11:52:29 <lardman> thanks
May 02 11:52:31 <derf> That's why I asked what the first 6 bytes were.
May 02 11:52:33 <lardman> thought I was going mad
May 02 11:52:40 <lardman> ah I see
May 02 11:53:16 <lardman> oh, there's actually quite a lot of stuff in the first 0x30 bytes
May 02 11:53:24 <lardman> I thought it would produce a raw stream
May 02 11:53:51 <derf> Yes... that's the stream header.
May 02 11:54:00 <derf> You know the mjpegtools project documents all of this.
May 02 11:54:26 <lardman> I didn't, thanks. I was just looking for raw frame data to send to the DSP
May 02 11:56:19 <lardman> with that said, although it displays on my PC, I cen't get the framebuffer to show anything useful
May 02 11:56:47 <lardman> ssvb: the latter elements of the update struct, out_x, out_y, out_width and out_height perform scaling on the output data presumably?
May 02 11:59:39 <lardman> no matter what I do with these, my output stays localised in the top lefthand corner of the screen (and is certainly smaller than the 320x240 region that I write to the FB shared memory
May 02 12:02:59 <ssvb> lardman: yes, I also noticed that it is buggy
May 02 12:03:00 <lardman> I should probably do this development on the 770 and save these extra bits for later
May 02 12:03:28 <ssvb> so you need x=out_x and y=out_y
May 02 12:03:40 <lardman> that's what I did to begin with
May 02 12:03:52 <lardman> and even if I change them and the width it doesn't seem to do much
May 02 12:03:56 <ssvb> out_width and out_height should be larder or same than original width nad height
May 02 12:04:18 <lardman> yep, I set them to 800 & 480
May 02 12:04:26 <ssvb> downscaling is not supported
May 02 12:05:53 <lardman> Is the LCD controller's RGB444 just standard? and is it packed or are 4 bytes missed out?
May 02 12:06:31 <lardman> that said, I should be able to just plot the Y plane in RGB565 rather than fiddling with RGB444
May 02 12:07:08 <ssvb> i think RGB444 is not supported
May 02 12:07:22 <lardman> hmm, it's in the list
May 02 12:08:07 <ssvb> lardman: I guess omapfb.h supports a larger set of devices than nokia internet tablets
May 02 12:08:32 <ssvb> at least there are references to other hardware in the kernel sources
May 02 12:09:33 <lardman> ah, good point, I'd not really thought of that
May 02 12:09:39 <ssvb> better use Epson documentation for the reference about color formats
May 02 12:10:04 <lardman> ok, well 565 is in both so I'll try that and see what it outputs
May 02 12:11:17 <lardman> Am heading home for lunch, will have a play and see if I can get RGB out, then if the YUV still doesn't work I'll ask you to take a look (and laugh) at it
May 02 12:11:28 <lardman> :)
May 02 12:21:54 <ssvb> lardman: :)
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May 02 12:50:54 <Cptnodegard> !
May 02 12:50:59 <Cptnodegard> -_____-
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May 02 12:51:31 <Cptnodegard> w
May 02 12:51:32 * Jaffa slaps red-zack 
May 02 12:51:32 <red-zack> u
May 02 12:51:32 <Cptnodegard> n
May 02 12:51:34 <red-zack> p
May 02 12:51:37 <red-zack>  
May 02 12:51:39 <red-zack> ;)
May 02 12:51:53 * red-zack slaps all people over the world
May 02 12:52:03 <red-zack> *with ice-cream
May 02 12:54:24 <inz> Cptnodegard, why don't you go code som'm cool?
May 02 12:54:36 <inz> -m+n
May 02 13:24:25 <Cptnodegard> inf: if i could code you mean :)
May 02 13:25:47 <Cptnodegard> *inz
May 02 13:29:39 <inz> Cptn, well, then you must learn the art first
May 02 13:29:43 <inz> Cptn, all the more fun!
May 02 13:31:35 <Cptnodegard> all the bigger headaches :)
May 02 13:32:17 <inz> Cptn, then you have not used enough warm coke or cold pizza
May 02 13:32:44 <Cptnodegard> lmao
May 02 13:37:29 <pyhimys> How do I enable input cues for vgba?
May 02 13:37:58 <pyhimys> Oh, now I found the menu
May 02 13:40:46 <Cptnodegard> how do you control vgba?
May 02 13:40:50 <Cptnodegard> joypad?
May 02 13:41:00 <pyhimys> touchscreen
May 02 13:44:06 <pupnik> and dpad
May 02 13:44:20 <Cptnodegard> sounds annoying :3
May 02 13:44:45 <pupnik> What would you suggest?
May 02 13:45:06 <Cptnodegard> telepathy
May 02 13:45:09 <Cptnodegard> or joypad
May 02 13:46:12 <pupnik> RST38h: could you add right hand side keys (k, l, or similar) for buttons for N810 someday?
May 02 13:57:23 <Cptnodegard> hummmm
May 02 13:57:25 <Cptnodegard> so
May 02 13:57:28 <Cptnodegard> technically
May 02 13:57:34 <Cptnodegard> if i get a snes controller
May 02 13:57:40 <Cptnodegard> and use the old k750 i have around
May 02 13:58:22 <Cptnodegard> i can mod msyelf a snes controller with BT hid that can control the vgba emulator without anything else than a .hid file on the controller/phone
May 02 14:02:11 <pupnik> nice
May 02 14:02:49 <Cptnodegard> i fitted an mp3 player into a nes controller once so shouldnt be too hard, eben if it adds some bulk or screen sticking up
May 02 14:09:25 <pupnik> yeah for the 770, a spare slide-on case could be easily modded with controls on either side
May 02 14:11:05 <pupnik> if, on the other hand, you have to lug around a seperate controller, you might as well just use a bt keyboard
May 02 14:12:10 <Cptnodegard> i dont even have vgba installed though
May 02 14:12:23 <Cptnodegard> dont you need half a billion different programs installed to make sound etc work?
May 02 14:15:38 <pupnik> Cptnodegard: no
May 02 14:15:57 <lardman> ssvb: ping
May 02 14:16:00 <Cptnodegard> thought i read something on the forum...or was that the PS emulator
May 02 14:16:13 <Cptnodegard> pupnik: so all you need to do is install the app and get a rom?
May 02 14:16:42 <pupnik> i don't know what the dependencies are for vgba
May 02 14:17:30 <pupnik> if you get an error running it, i can help you figure out what's missing
May 02 14:17:42 <Jaffa> Are the deps declared in the .deb?
May 02 14:17:48 <Jaffa> s/Are/Aren't/
May 02 14:17:48 <infobot> Jaffa meant: Aren't the deps declared in the .deb?
May 02 14:18:51 <ssvb> lardman: ack
May 02 14:19:03 <pupnik> don't know offhand
May 02 14:19:56 <lardman> ssvb: it's strange, I can just about see part of the video I'm sending to the framebuffer, all in blue as presumably as the blue component is the lowest 5 bits
May 02 14:20:32 <Cptnodegard> maemo.org says the emulator runs extremely slow... so no point in getting it
May 02 14:20:39 <lardman> ssvb: but if I try to move the video down, it vanishes almost as if there's a region at ~y=40 pixels which is blanked off across the screen
May 02 14:21:14 <lardman> ssvb: I also don't see all of the video (when x=y=0), just what looks like the bottom portion
May 02 14:26:56 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/test-yv12-convert-and-output/ is the code; the YUV420 conversion stuff doesn't appear to work (no surprises there), but more worryingly I can't seem to display the input Y plane as RGB data
May 02 14:27:11 <lardman> no 770 code in there yet
May 02 14:27:26 <pupnik> what is your goal for this lardman?
May 02 14:27:46 <lardman> convert from YV12 to LCD controller's YUV420 format and output it
May 02 14:27:57 <pupnik> ah ok
May 02 14:28:14 <lardman> probably lots of school-boy errors in the code, do let me know
May 02 14:28:39 <pupnik> what's the purpose of that? :)
May 02 14:28:50 <pupnik> an mplayer optimization?
May 02 14:28:50 <lardman> now that I think about it, the call to usage() should have a return/exit() after it
May 02 14:28:57 <lardman> yes
May 02 14:29:08 <pupnik> cool.
May 02 14:30:03 <lardman> if anyone wants to run it, add a FRAMEBUFFER section (you should see where) in /lib/dsp/avs_kernelcfg.cmd, add the task name and path to /lib/dsp/dsp_dld.conf and reboot
May 02 14:31:52 <pupnik> does the dsp draw to screen, or just do yuv12-20?
May 02 14:32:02 <lardman> draws to screen
May 02 14:32:22 <lardman> but you could just convert if you wanted to; and if the code worked ;)
May 02 14:46:09 <Khertan_TheReal> Hi !
May 02 14:46:38 <Khertan_TheReal> Someone know a tool with a simple gui that can synchronize a local dir and a distant dir on an ftp ?
May 02 14:54:01 <zpol> hola
May 02 14:56:43 <qwerty111> Got a q, in deb files, the Installed-Size: thing in the control file - is it in B/KB/MB? Thanks.
May 02 15:02:50 <Khertan_TheReal> qwerty111 ?
May 02 15:02:57 <Khertan_TheReal> B
May 02 15:03:00 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
May 02 15:03:03 <qwerty111> Thanks :)
May 02 15:03:11 <qwerty111> My connection timed out :/
May 02 15:03:32 <solmumaha> qwerty111: of course you can use it
May 02 15:03:41 <Khertan_TheReal> nope i remember i ve try all until i get the good display in application manager when i ve make pypackager
May 02 15:03:49 <qwerty111> solmumaha, Thanks! :)
May 02 15:04:20 <solmumaha> but i have a web based package maker for games too, still needs one fix though
May 02 15:04:29 <qwerty111> Khertan_TheReal, Must have taken a while >.<. Thanks for saving me time :)
May 02 15:04:41 <Khertan_TheReal> someone know how i can set a background color for just a line in gtk tree view ?
May 02 15:04:42 <qwerty111> solmumaha, nice :). Hope you can finish it soon :)
May 02 15:04:54 <solmumaha> it installs data files to mmc without them ever touching rootfs
May 02 15:05:02 <Khertan_TheReal> solmumaha > a web based package maker ... where too ?
May 02 15:05:16 <Khertan_TheReal>  s/too/to
May 02 15:05:39 <solmumaha> it works ok if you install/uninstall, but shit hits the fan if you try to upgrade
May 02 15:05:39 <qwerty111> solmumaha, that is brilliant. I remember when hacking emacs gtk interface, my 1st install failed because my emacs folder was on mmc.
May 02 15:06:44 <solmumaha> i need to check what it tries to do when upgrading, but if you uninstall before installing again, everything should work fine
May 02 15:07:49 <solmumaha> Khertan_TheReal: it's not meant for usual apps, but i could easily fix that
May 02 15:08:04 <solmumaha> qwerty111: wanna test it?
May 02 15:08:13 <qwerty111> solmumaha, yes please :)
May 02 15:11:54 <Khertan_TheReal> rah ... managing repeating events is really borring in an agenda !
May 02 15:12:02 <lardman> cu all
May 02 15:12:06 <Khertan_TheReal> specially with pysql !
May 02 15:12:19 <Khertan_TheReal> s/pysql/sqlite
May 02 15:13:12 <Khertan_TheReal> hum ... i ll do this when google sync will be ok !
May 02 15:13:29 <solmumaha> qwerty111: can you receive private messages?
May 02 15:13:39 <qwerty111> solmumaha, yes
May 02 15:14:47 <solmumaha> k
May 02 15:15:15 <Cptnodegard> whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy doesnt anyone torrent the gadget show? :(
May 02 15:15:36 <qwerty111> Not worth torrenting? :p
May 02 15:15:46 <Cptnodegard> but it has gadgets 8#
May 02 15:16:04 <qwerty111> I think we get that show on 5 in the UK.
May 02 15:16:26 <Cptnodegard> yup thats who makes itg
May 02 15:16:35 <Cptnodegard> it is native to that channel
May 02 15:17:15 <qwerty111> Ah, don't you get it in Norway?
May 02 15:17:39 <Cptnodegard> no
May 02 15:18:13 <Cptnodegard> at least i dont htin kso...dont have the tv connected to an antenna
May 02 15:18:14 <qwerty111> :(. The injustice of it all, I get the program - which I don't watch on a free channel.
May 02 15:27:25 <solmumaha> qwerty111: got my pm?
May 02 15:30:23 <qwerty12> arrgh, my fuckin internet keeps timing out in linux!
May 02 15:30:34 <Jaffa> It's really been crap the few times I've seen bits of it
May 02 15:39:08 <lopz> hi
May 02 16:24:08 <eido> hey folks - can someone comment on this page?  because the implication is these guys are selling a GSM-enabled Nokia N810, unlocked, as a cell phone.  which makes absolutely no sense, does it?  there's no GSM radio in an N810...
May 02 16:24:13 <eido> http://www.ustronics.com/Nokia_N810.php
May 02 16:24:44 <towo> utter nonsense.
May 02 16:24:52 <glass> proably scammers
May 02 16:25:08 <RST38h> n810 has no gsm hardware inside.
May 02 16:25:09 <aquatix> wtf
May 02 16:25:14 <aquatix> vibration? :)
May 02 16:25:30 <eido> thank you :)
May 02 16:25:33 <RST38h> whatever these folks claim is a lie
May 02 16:25:41 <aquatix> sounds like a dream tablet though ;)
May 02 16:25:48 <towo> aquatix: Turn up the volume and play something with bass.
May 02 16:25:52 <towo> Voila, vibration.
May 02 16:25:54 <aquatix> towo: :)
May 02 16:25:59 <eido> (this came up from a conversation on another channel where i said something like "If the N810 had a GSM radio in it, no number of brick walls could be put between me and a purchase of one.")
May 02 16:26:16 <_berto_> maybe it's a nokia 810 -> http://europe.nokia.com/A4142005
May 02 16:26:20 <qwerty12> But it's too big for vibration! (sorry, I couldn't resist)
May 02 16:26:22 <aquatix> eido: i bought one and still love it
May 02 16:26:42 <eido> aquatix, granted, it's a great machine.  i just want it to be a phone too :)
May 02 16:26:42 <RST38h> it works very well with an external handset
May 02 16:26:42 <aquatix> _berto_: wtf
May 02 16:26:55 <aquatix> ah, a car phone
May 02 16:27:19 <eido> i'm trying to find the final migration off my Treo.  right now the N85 is winning the battle.
May 02 16:27:27 <RST38h> so well that you can basically treat it as a big screen extension of your handset
May 02 16:43:22 <Cptnodegard> php tutorials are giving me a headache -.-
May 02 16:44:29 <Cptnodegard> doesn anyone know what to use in str_replace to replace everything before a specific string?
May 02 16:45:13 <Cptnodegard> f.ex "lalalal hello kitty" and then make str_replace replace everything before "kitty"
May 02 16:45:54 <Khertan_TheReal> eido > try an nokia 3210 they have same functionnality as treo line
May 02 16:46:00 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
May 02 16:46:43 <Khertan_TheReal> bye
May 02 16:50:33 <Jaffa> Cptnodegard: it's just a perl regexp isn't it? (If not, switch to the regexp one). Then replace "^.*?(lalala hello kitty)" with "$1"
May 02 16:51:51 <Cptnodegard> its regexp yes
May 02 16:51:51 <Cptnodegard> i think
May 02 16:54:44 <solmumaha> _berto_: you have finnish translation yet?
May 02 17:07:04 <qwerty12> Is there any good file comparers (like diff but with a better/easier interface) for Linux?
May 02 17:07:29 <Jaffa> apt-cache search diff? Eclipse has quite a nice one internally.
May 02 17:08:23 <qwerty12> Too much results :), I'll try Eclipse, thanks (or end up loading WinMerge with wine from my NTFS partition)
May 02 17:12:24 <jott> qwerty12: i like kompare and kdiff3
May 02 17:12:56 <qwerty12> jott, thanks. I'll grab them.
May 02 17:22:49 <_berto_> solmumaha: no, i haven't
May 02 17:22:50 <_berto_> :)
May 02 17:23:01 <jjg> hi
May 02 17:23:06 <jjg> can maemo run on a gumstix platform?
May 02 17:23:59 <johnx> you mean end up with the same desktop as the N800/N810 have?
May 02 17:24:14 <jjg> not necessarily, but some of the apps
May 02 17:24:57 <johnx> the hildon libs are open source, so any open source app should be just a recompile away (unless it depends on armv6 specific features)
May 02 17:25:20 <jjg> i am using open embedded to build for a gumstix target and keep reading about scratchbox ... and seeing maemo as a distro for the tablets ... wanted to try scratchbox and was wondering if i could just build maemo for gumstix target
May 02 17:25:20 <johnx> did you have a specific app in mind?
May 02 17:25:45 <jjg> anything communications and media based
May 02 17:25:56 <jjg> audio/video ... sip phone
May 02 17:26:04 <johnx> hildon stuff is in openembedded and debian as well, but some of the stuff that ships with the tablet is actually closed source
May 02 17:26:24 <johnx> for example, the media player is closed source (or most parts of it are at least)
May 02 17:26:43 <johnx> but I believe rtcomm (the sip and IM parts) are open source, IIRC
May 02 17:27:09 <JasonWoof> is there an app that I can scribble on the screen, and it will save without asking me, and when I run it next time load what was there when I left?
May 02 17:27:14 <jjg> thanks for the info
May 02 17:27:47 <johnx> jig, sure :)
May 02 17:27:54 <johnx> JasonWoof, I don't remember if maemopadplus behaves that way or not
May 02 17:28:03 <johnx> I think it does though
May 02 17:28:59 <JasonWoof> nah, I just tried maemopadplus
May 02 17:29:26 <johnx> ah, it asks you to save, doesn't it?
May 02 17:29:33 <JasonWoof> speaking of which, maemopadplus should save your "pressure sensativity" option
May 02 17:32:13 <qwerty12> Bye, thanks for the brilliant help I got today.
May 02 17:33:20 <JasonWoof> ok, now to more important stuff... can I use a different keymap for my external keyboard?
May 02 17:36:38 <JasonWoof> I got a bluetooth keyboard. very cool that it works, but there's a few problems:
May 02 17:36:46 <JasonWoof> 1) I'd like a totally different layout (dvorak)
May 02 17:37:07 <JasonWoof> 2) the sticky shift keys is terrible (tap shift, tap a, gets you a capital A)
May 02 17:37:48 <JasonWoof> 3) sometimes pressing a key on the bluetooth keyboard gets about 10 of that letter on the screen
May 02 17:38:01 <JasonWoof> (perhaps #3 is some combination of the key-repeat feature and bluetooth lag?)
May 02 17:38:30 <ssvb> lardman: thanks, I'll have a look at it
May 02 17:49:29 <JasonWoof> is there some way to get osso-xterm to actually close the window when I exit out of the shell?
May 02 18:20:36 <jott> JasonWoof: you could use my svn builds ( http://sse2.net/xterm/ ) it's fixed in it.
May 02 18:20:43 <Navi> woo
May 02 18:21:00 <Navi> The svn builds are sexy
May 02 18:21:06 <Navi> Still no alt :(
May 02 18:21:33 <JasonWoof> jott: thanks
May 02 18:22:08 <qwerty12_N800> I like the 13 build from fiferboy (tabs) :)
May 02 18:39:37 <JasonWoof> jott: ahh, works beautifully. also fixes the problem where new windows didn't get keyboard focus
May 02 19:50:03 <JasonWoof> OK, what's the deal with the keyboard mapping?
May 02 19:50:06 <JasonWoof> some weird stuff is going on
May 02 19:50:24 <JasonWoof> I've got a bluetooth keyboard.
May 02 19:50:36 <JasonWoof> I installed xev, and I see that the fn key is actually sending keycodes
May 02 19:51:04 <JasonWoof> and it does on the bluetooth keyboard too
May 02 19:51:42 <JasonWoof> so I run xev, with the internal keyboard, and hit fn, I get nice output in xev, showing that it's keycode 216 and that this is registered to the symbol ISO_Level3_Shift
May 02 19:51:50 <JasonWoof> xmodmap shows that this is mapped to mod5
May 02 19:51:53 <JasonWoof> excellent
May 02 19:52:42 <JasonWoof> BUT (and here's where it gets weird) if I run xev, press fn a few times (all on the internal keyboard so far) then press fn on my bluetooth keyboard, I get two events:
May 02 19:53:58 <JasonWoof> MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248
May 02 19:54:01 <JasonWoof> then:
May 02 19:54:04 <JasonWoof> MappingNotify event, serial 27 synthetic NO, window 0x0, request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 247
May 02 19:55:06 <JasonWoof> and then I see keypress event for the fn key on the bluetooth keyboard. it's the same keycode (216) but it's no longer mapped to ISO_Level3_Shift, (it says keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), and after closing xev mod5 is blank
May 02 19:56:11 <JasonWoof> so it seems that the keymappings are changing automatically when I hit a key on the keyboard. How do I make it change the keys I want changed (the letter keys) and not f-up the fn key?
May 02 20:21:36 <Cptnodegard> geekbrief.tv has a podcast that you can downlaod in a format specified fo rtthe n8x0
May 02 20:21:46 <Cptnodegard> the chick they have tlaking is friggin annoying though
May 02 20:21:59 <Cptnodegard> made an rss feed to the n800 file format directly
May 02 20:26:44 <Cptnodegard> on another note
May 02 20:27:06 <Cptnodegard> is there any way of getting smaller fonts on the home applet rss reader?
May 02 20:27:18 <Cptnodegard> i.e items are displayed samaller
May 02 20:27:57 <qwerty12_N800> Navi? :)
May 02 20:28:40 <jenjen> lol
May 02 20:28:48 <jenjen> this chan really excists? nice:p
May 02 20:29:14 <Cptnodegard> no its imaginary
May 02 20:29:22 <qwerty12_N800> we are fake
May 02 20:29:36 <jenjen> so, where is Brett Borders
May 02 20:29:38 <qwerty12_N800> well my chainz are
May 02 20:30:10 <jenjen> http://www.copybrighter.com/blog/social-media-in-the-1990s
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May 03 00:09:27 <dick-richardson> I changed my homepage and want the original back :/
May 03 00:13:38 <lcuk> you mean the tableteer link on the front or your actual homepage
May 03 00:13:59 <lcuk> dick-richardson ^
May 03 00:15:57 <jldiaz> Hmm... youtube complaints about my flash version in the n810
May 03 00:16:16 <jldiaz> few days before all was ok
May 03 00:16:44 <jldiaz> anyone recognizes these symptoms?
May 03 00:16:53 <oceanvessel__> hi there
May 03 00:16:59 <jldiaz> hi oceanvessel__
May 03 00:17:12 <oceanvessel__> no clicking after doing xrandr on tablet pc
May 03 00:17:29 <oceanvessel__> it does track the pointer though
May 03 00:17:46 <KotCzarny> have you installed modified kernel too?
May 03 00:17:46 <oceanvessel__> any suggestions???
May 03 00:18:13 <jldiaz> KotCzarny, are u talking to me?
May 03 00:18:18 <KotCzarny> to oceanvessel
May 03 00:18:19 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 00:18:22 <jldiaz> ok :)
May 03 00:18:26 <oceanvessel__> oh ok
May 03 00:18:30 <oceanvessel__> no need to
May 03 00:18:36 <oceanvessel__> only modified driver
May 03 00:18:41 <oceanvessel__> it's actually
May 03 00:18:44 <KotCzarny> that's on nokia?
May 03 00:18:48 <oceanvessel__> the fpit drive
May 03 00:18:52 <oceanvessel__> no it's not
May 03 00:18:56 <jldiaz> has youtube changed the required flash version? Or did I screwed somehow my flash plugin?
May 03 00:19:00 <KotCzarny> then i don't know :)
May 03 00:19:12 <oceanvessel__> thanks, anyway
May 03 00:22:04 <dick-richardson> lcuk: actual homepage
May 03 00:22:11 <jldiaz> hmm, fixed
May 03 00:22:32 <jldiaz> i've got deactivated the plugins in microb
May 03 00:22:46 <jldiaz> how could that happens? I didn't touch the configuration..
May 03 00:23:42 <lcuk> dick-richardson, simply: home.html
May 03 00:25:46 <dick-richardson> slick, thank yoU!
May 03 00:26:23 * lcuk keeps defaults if they are intelligent
May 03 00:26:43 <dick-richardson> lcuk: yeah, moment of weakness
May 03 00:27:26 <lcuk> ive just made 3 shortcuts and numbered them - they display at the top of the shortcuts list, my homepage is default but my favs are available without scrolling
May 03 00:28:10 <lcuk> 0 numpty levels  ...  1 slashdot   ...   works well enough, a shame though the list is alpha sorted
May 03 00:29:52 <dick-richardson> next issue: I have a command line utility that I need to change the first argument passed. how does that work?
May 03 00:30:35 <dick-richardson> 1=desiredtext doesn't work
May 03 00:30:58 <lcuk> if its command line dont u just run it from the command line
May 03 00:31:31 <dick-richardson> yeah, but I'm trying to simplify a friend of mine's username to his real world name
May 03 00:31:32 <lcuk> the numbering is for the bookmark list, not normal links
May 03 00:31:39 <dick-richardson> no, separate issue
May 03 00:35:04 <dick-richardson> I have a script that uses a case statement. I want to change the first argument to the script to something else
May 03 00:36:12 <lcuk> i dunno, i have about as much skill with the command line as i do at ironing
May 03 00:36:42 <KotCzarny> and how much it is?
May 03 00:36:42 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 00:44:45 <term-sig> lcuk: dont be shy. ;)
May 03 00:45:52 <jldiaz>  "Positional parameters may not be assigned to with assignment statements" (from bash manual)
May 03 00:46:27 <dick-richardson> can I discard the first one?
May 03 00:49:02 * pupnik_ is afraid to go back into #bash
May 03 00:49:13 <lcuk> why
May 03 00:49:45 <pupnik_> well that was with a smiley :)
May 03 00:49:59 <pupnik_> there's some crazy stuff goin on in there man
May 03 00:50:08 <dick-richardson> I'll go...should've thought of that initially
May 03 00:50:15 <lcuk> i got scared by the #c channel
May 03 00:50:37 <jldiaz> dick-richardson, I think that "shift" will do the trick
May 03 00:52:55 <term-sig> lcuk: oh! maybe u want told us why u get scared?
May 03 00:52:56 <term-sig> :)
May 03 00:53:15 <term-sig> ok, bed time.
May 03 00:53:21 <term-sig> night.
May 03 00:53:25 <jldiaz> me too
May 03 00:53:34 <jldiaz> buenas noches
May 03 00:53:36 <lcuk> gnite
May 03 00:54:20 * lcuk was scared by the fanatisism re pre inc and post inc when the result was being thrown away
May 03 00:54:56 <lcuk> { ++a;  } vs  { a++; }
May 03 00:57:35 <derf> Anyone fanatic about that is an idiot.
May 03 00:57:49 <KotCzarny> are you fanatic about that?
May 03 00:58:01 <derf> I'm fanatic about not being fanatic.
May 03 00:58:03 <lcuk> no, it was the last time i opened that chan
May 03 00:58:38 <lcuk> i tried to shout "what the fuck does it matter" but found out the chan was registered only
May 03 00:58:46 * lcuk wanted to vent
May 03 00:58:52 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 00:58:56 <KotCzarny> try ircnet sometimes too
May 03 00:59:01 <derf> It actually _does_ matter in C++. But not C.
May 03 00:59:35 <lcuk> derf it only matters if you have overloaded the operators
May 03 00:59:46 <derf> Right.
May 03 00:59:51 <KotCzarny> c++ is overloaded
May 03 00:59:51 <KotCzarny> :>
May 03 01:00:43 <derf> But when everyone's always using some kind of smart pointer or iterator or some crazy fool thing, that's quite common.
May 03 01:01:44 <derf> If they aren't, they might as well be using C.
May 03 01:01:59 <dick-richardson> I hear Java's the wave of the future
May 03 01:02:20 <lcuk> nahh, lisp is :)
May 03 01:02:37 <KotCzarny> nah, we are gonna die
May 03 01:02:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 01:02:45 <KotCzarny> *all
May 03 01:02:54 <lcuk> functional programming on multiple cores scales much better than anything
May 03 01:03:07 <lcuk> not before linuxtag i hope
May 03 01:03:15 <KotCzarny> during?
May 03 01:03:16 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 01:03:34 <dick-richardson> you realize we're all geeks
May 03 01:03:50 <lcuk> speak for yourself :P
May 03 01:03:55 <KotCzarny> greeks?
May 03 01:04:48 <derf> "functional programming" doesn't inherently make anything more parallelizable.
May 03 01:05:02 <dick-richardson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw
May 03 01:07:05 <pupnik_> good quote
May 03 01:07:19 <dick-richardson> there has to be a better solution for twitter than what I'm doing
May 03 01:07:36 <dick-richardson> posting from the command line, receiving direct messages via email, and other updates via rss
May 03 01:08:13 <lcuk> pick up a bit of python and hack yourself a mini tweet screen
May 03 01:08:46 <lcuk> im actually surprised there isnt something for it already
May 03 01:08:50 <dick-richardson> I liked the IM option, but I want to be flooded with missed updates while I was offline
May 03 01:08:52 <dick-richardson> there is mitter
May 03 01:09:13 <dick-richardson> not sure if mitter would do it or not...should give it a shot
May 03 01:10:01 <lcuk> i shudder to think what good information has been lost by learning that a twitter message is known as a tweet
May 03 01:10:57 <dick-richardson> brain structure is hierarchical, you should be fine
May 03 01:11:56 <derf> No, the brain is very good at forgetting things that are not actually important.
May 03 01:12:24 <KotCzarny> or worse, as a 'twit'
May 03 01:12:25 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 03 01:12:42 <lcuk> no, thats the user ;)
May 03 01:12:57 <dick-richardson> or a listener of leo laport's weekly podcast
May 03 01:13:11 <dick-richardson> *laporte
May 03 01:13:14 <lcuk> i need sleep
May 03 01:13:18 <lcuk> nite folks
May 03 01:13:27 <KotCzarny> nite lcuk
May 03 01:13:27 <dick-richardson> sleep well
May 03 01:26:43 <pupnik> dang, i love mplayer.  35% cpu playing back 420x340 @ 15fps XViD
May 03 01:28:47 <KotCzarny> is there life after mplayer?
May 03 01:30:05 <pupnik> maybe omap3430 and some hardware decompression
May 03 01:30:19 <pupnik> unfortunately that might have limited codec support
May 03 01:30:33 <KotCzarny> assuming there will be drivers
May 03 01:30:33 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 01:30:51 * pupnik pees on software patents
May 03 01:32:00 <KotCzarny> peeing on software patents is patented, sorry
May 03 01:32:07 <KotCzarny> you have to pay
May 03 01:32:21 <pupnik> aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgh
May 03 01:32:48 <KotCzarny> i wonder when someone will patent breathing
May 03 01:32:58 <KotCzarny> that would generate nice amount of money
May 03 01:33:30 <KotCzarny> most probably though someone patents 'air in a can'
May 03 01:34:51 <pupnik> It's so fun to crunch down video size and find good settings
May 03 01:35:17 <pupnik> crunching a 249MB lecture to 87 MB atm and the result looks *better
May 03 01:35:20 <dick-richardson> hard lock in linux :(
May 03 01:35:43 <pupnik> out of swap?  xorg crash?
May 03 01:35:54 <KotCzarny> flaky hw?
May 03 01:54:18 <zion> isn't the point of using apt to get away from dependency hell?
May 03 01:54:42 <KotCzarny> yup
May 03 01:54:54 <KotCzarny> but then you face repository hell
May 03 01:55:10 <zion> I just tried to install mameo-pan. and it needed bluez-util
May 03 01:55:34 <zion> also, there seem to be a *lot* of apps depending on libhildonfm2 which I can't find
May 03 01:55:57 <zion> isn't maemo the central repo?
May 03 01:55:59 <dick-richardson> does diablo include aptitude?
May 03 01:56:26 <dick-richardson> I'll take repo hell over .dll hell
May 03 01:56:32 <zion> I just find this a bit confusing since I haven't seen this in other distros.
May 03 01:57:14 <dick-richardson> yeah, the maemo repo situation hasn't been nearly as solidified as some others
May 03 01:57:49 <zion> ok. so the red-pill mode is suppose to switch to the unstable repo?
May 03 01:58:30 <dick-richardson> no, red pill mode just gives you...deeper...access to the system
May 03 01:59:01 <dick-richardson> someone else could probably describe it better
May 03 01:59:16 <dick-richardson> I think of it as a 'pre-root' mode
May 03 01:59:29 <zion> ok... cause when I switch, it gives me a list of debs which I can't update
May 03 01:59:38 <zion> in the 'should be updated list'
May 03 02:00:33 <dick-richardson> I've found gronmayer.com/it to be the best repo source
May 03 02:01:34 <zion> ok. so maemo is the virgin bundle and nothing else?
May 03 02:01:49 <dick-richardson> yep
May 03 02:01:55 <zion> thats just silly
May 03 02:02:06 <zion> s/silly/odd
May 03 02:02:12 <dick-richardson> welcome to a platform in development ;)
May 03 02:02:45 <zion> he
May 03 02:02:55 <KotCzarny> at least software is available
May 03 02:02:56 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 02:03:11 <zion> for some definiton of 'available' ;)
May 03 02:03:12 <KotCzarny> i prefer troubled instal to no instal at all
May 03 02:03:13 <KotCzarny> :)
May 03 02:03:38 <zion> yeah... I wanted an open hackable device, openmoko wasn't far enough along
May 03 02:04:09 <dick-richardson> this is much closer, there's a lot to like
May 03 02:04:34 <zion> yep, been using it and having fun so far
May 03 02:04:56 <zion> have never seen repos breeding like rabbits before
May 03 02:05:20 <zion> there is layman in gentoo... but thats pretty well organized
May 03 02:05:43 <dick-richardson> uh oh...a gentoo user
May 03 02:05:57 * zion emitts an evil laugh
May 03 02:06:11 <dick-richardson> isn't there an alarm we're suppose to sound or something?
May 03 02:07:00 <zion> is it a lack of maintainers for the maemo repo?
May 03 02:07:37 <KotCzarny> maybe it's easier to whip up an own repo than to mess with maemo.org ?
May 03 02:07:40 <zion> have sb running and could help test/verify debs ...
May 03 02:07:41 <dick-richardson> I don't believe so...I think it's more that Nokia official programmers have their hands tied to some degree
May 03 02:08:02 <dick-richardson> hence the proliferation of 'unofficial' repos
May 03 02:09:25 <zion> ok... apparently I need to do some more diggin to figure out what everything is
May 03 02:09:54 <zion> is there a fork of maemo then? that seems like a forkable issue if ppl can't contribute to the main repo
May 03 02:10:30 <zion> or have I fundamentally misunderstood something when I saw n8x0 == open linux based platform?
May 03 02:10:51 <KotCzarny> well
May 03 02:10:54 <dick-richardson> not contributing the main repo isn't seen in this community as a critical flaw since you can (fairly) easily add the hacker repos
May 03 02:10:56 <KotCzarny> you can contribute to maemo.org
May 03 02:11:08 <KotCzarny> it's just laziness for the most part i think
May 03 02:11:17 <zion> ah! ok
May 03 02:11:27 <dick-richardson> yeah...
May 03 02:12:20 <zion> well, I will poke around some more then. thnx for the quick overview
May 03 02:12:42 <dick-richardson> np, welcome!
May 03 02:13:11 <dick-richardson> knowing your kind, it won't be long until gentoo is ported :P
May 03 02:27:41 <fysa> was kaltsi doing the updated wiimote support?
May 03 02:37:56 <dick-richardson> I still can't find why my system locked. wasn't X or swap...
May 03 02:45:03 <Tama^2> Hi
May 03 02:49:25 <Navi> Tama^2, hi
May 03 02:49:53 <Tama^2> ohh Navi :)
May 03 02:50:03 <Tama^2> it's unusually quiet in here
May 03 02:50:14 <Navi> Nah
May 03 02:55:14 <zion> newb question: is there an imap client which allows for folder subscriptions?
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