**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 03 02:59:56 2008 May 03 03:03:53 Modest May 03 03:04:11 just found that May 03 03:04:32 calendar? May 03 03:04:41 i use gpe May 03 03:04:48 calendar, contacts, and todo May 03 03:05:15 k... there is no export, unless I am missing something May 03 03:05:16 and summary, for the desktop May 03 03:05:24 no, export is abysmal May 03 03:06:31 gah! ... ok I think something must be borked May 03 03:06:44 I can't install a thing without it asking for libhildonfm2 May 03 03:07:48 do a search for it at http://gronmayer.com/it May 03 03:07:59 looks like it's in the chinook repo May 03 03:08:32 you don't need the temp fix...that was or an issue a while ago that appears to be resolved May 03 03:16:41 ok.. this is starting to make me question my iq May 03 03:16:55 :) May 03 03:17:25 I installed the meamo chinook repos... now it refuses to let me install any external software May 03 03:17:39 yup, version conflicts May 03 03:18:26 this does use apt right? not prm May 03 03:18:28 rpm May 03 03:18:34 yes May 03 03:21:58 is there a simple fix for this? or should I just google around? May 03 03:21:58 does scratchbox support running graphical programs compiled for arm? May 03 03:22:14 JasonWoof, yes use Xephyr May 03 03:22:26 zion: try running apt-get and see what it says May 03 03:22:35 and disable any non-default repo May 03 03:22:36 :) May 03 03:23:38 wow, cool May 03 03:28:49 it's huge! May 03 03:29:05 ok... apt-get is either working perfectly or borking my n810 completely May 03 03:29:09 will find out soon May 03 03:30:42 love that feeling...but in my case it ended up working perfectly May 03 03:34:05 now if my laptop were actually much faster than the tablet, this would probably be useful May 03 03:36:04 w00t, it worked May 03 03:44:25 Hrm May 03 03:44:38 I can't figure out how to get past Chapter 3 Level 8 on Marbles May 03 04:03:10 Navi: yeah, that one's tricky May 03 04:03:16 I just got it almost done, and ran out of moves May 03 04:03:22 How do you do it? May 03 04:03:24 Heh May 03 04:03:33 don't ever put anything in the side columns May 03 04:03:40 I did it once before May 03 04:03:46 there's gotta be quite a bit of back-and-forth May 03 04:03:55 I think the trick to efficiency is to leave stuff near the middle May 03 04:04:17 Oh, I see. May 03 04:06:07 hah! one move short that time May 03 04:06:36 XD May 03 04:06:42 What difficulty are you playing at? May 03 04:10:21 ahh, did it that time May 03 04:10:23 that's cool May 03 04:10:29 normal May 03 04:11:15 trick is you can't lose those both of the following two spots: one above the center crossing and one below the center crossing May 03 04:20:04 colors by first letter: red maroon yellow orange green. directions north south east west: May 03 04:20:07 Woo May 03 04:20:16 I beat it with 0 moves left May 03 04:20:22 19 moves: rw oe May 03 04:20:37 gn rws May 03 04:20:53 oe rn mn May 03 04:21:01 rw May 03 04:21:15 mn re me May 03 04:21:39 gs mw gn me ys May 03 04:21:55 mw ow May 03 04:22:35 oops, got yellow and green switched that time May 03 04:22:40 I did it three times before I started logging May 03 04:23:56 oh well, you got it anyway May 03 04:23:57 lol May 03 04:34:25 16 moves left on row three column 5 May 03 04:34:30 my I feel clever May 03 04:44:27 Have a few questions for anyone. Is anyone aware of a port of Qt Jambi to the N810? May 03 05:04:42 referb apple airport extreme card for $29.00 on the apple site May 03 05:04:58 if anyone wants a small wifi access point May 03 05:05:16 er, not card May 03 05:05:52 airport extreme access point May 03 05:06:24 it's just 802.11g but the normal price is $99 May 03 05:08:04 Does anyone know if there's docs on nokia's site or maemo on how to utilize the hardware on a Nokia N810? May 03 05:08:24 namely the FM tuner, bluetooth, wireless controllers, and the GPS May 03 05:08:32 The external buttons would be nice to detect too ;-) May 03 05:08:37 I can give you instructions on how to utilize the n810 hardware to open a can of tuna May 03 05:08:44 it's ingenous really May 03 05:08:55 ingenuis May 03 05:09:05 Wow, that was helpful May 03 05:09:08 heh May 03 05:09:08 2x fail May 03 05:09:10 :) May 03 05:09:12 lol May 03 05:09:13 :P May 03 05:09:23 :P May 03 05:09:34 leot: hw buttons are mapped to f-something May 03 05:09:34 I'm thinking of rolling my own distro, but I want to use Java on the N810 May 03 05:09:38 f4, f5 etc May 03 05:09:48 let us know how that goes LeoTsuichi May 03 05:09:51 Ideally, it would be nice to use Java and QT Jambi May 03 05:10:02 as for rest of hw, you would have to use nokia's kernel May 03 05:10:10 Yar, I'm doing that May 03 05:10:13 But not sure how to access the hw May 03 05:10:18 tiver me shimbers May 03 05:10:21 Proteus: You're all over that aren't you May 03 05:10:27 bye May 03 05:10:32 cya May 03 05:10:33 like spice on curry May 03 05:10:35 * Proteous cries May 03 05:10:51 * LeoTsuichi smacks Proteous May 03 05:10:59 I'm just a user May 03 05:11:00 I could have used a carp but I saved you the trouble :D May 03 05:11:01 leot: you can try snatching some info from the debian port for n8x0 May 03 05:11:14 Kot - where's the port? May 03 05:11:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian May 03 05:12:13 Yar, I'd like to boot this thing in text mode with framebuffer and start X when I want May 03 05:12:31 like I said, I'm all over that. May 03 05:13:04 I also need to figure out a way to handle it through QEMU May 03 05:14:52 ... emulation fail. May 03 05:16:34 use newer qemu/ May 03 05:16:43 Is there an unzip command in the OS2008 kernel? May 03 05:16:52 woodwizzle: kernel? May 03 05:17:08 lol, hehe didn't mean that May 03 05:17:12 re xD May 03 05:17:18 is the OS though, by default May 03 05:17:27 yes, there is (un)zip package May 03 05:17:31 probably in extras May 03 05:17:40 i know there is tar, but I'm getting a "invalid tar magic", i think the tar.gz is corrupted so I'm gonna try to unzip it if I can May 03 05:17:59 no May 03 05:18:06 it's busybox's tar flakiness May 03 05:18:23 ie. not supporting all features/formats May 03 05:18:33 is there a way around that? they provide a zip as well. And yeah, I was able to apt-get install unzip May 03 05:18:38 hmmmm, I'm assuming I should boot into the internal MMC first May 03 05:18:50 Then do all this work on the MMC2 card :o May 03 05:18:51 woodwizzle: instal normal tar May 03 05:19:50 apt-get install tar says its gonna remove 125 packages :( May 03 05:19:56 hehe May 03 05:20:12 then just download it and unpack tar binary to /usr/bin/local May 03 05:21:01 can I download the deb via apt-get? May 03 05:21:16 I've only ever apt-get install and apt-get builddep before May 03 05:21:54 woodwizzle: use firefox :) May 03 05:22:02 as for unpacking use: ar x May 03 05:22:29 ugh, may be quicker just to get the zip package, its pretty small May 03 05:23:06 Its gzipped to, I was trying tar -xvvzf mytar.tar.gz May 03 05:25:58 Is there a way to open up my file manager and/or firefox to root access? That way I can download something to /usr/bin/local and then go right there and extract it? otherwise I have to download it to MyDownloads, and then move it frome the terminal :-P May 03 05:26:17 I guess I could run firefox from a root session in the terminal? May 03 05:26:31 but I'd prefer to have the default one setup like that. May 03 05:26:56 woodwizzle: install mc, or ssh-server May 03 05:26:57 :) May 03 05:27:47 I have ssh server, I do the ssh 0 -l root trick May 03 05:27:57 whats mc? May 03 05:28:02 then ssh from windows/linux May 03 05:28:15 that would make most operations simpler May 03 05:28:22 mc is a nc clone May 03 05:28:43 file manager using text mode May 03 05:30:14 well I have a bluetooth keyboard, so thats not a problem. But I'd like to be able to click on a program from firefox and tell it where I really want it to go. Even midnight commander would be an added step, and no quicker than mv ./myfile /my/destination/ May 03 05:30:32 not true May 03 05:30:46 with mc you just press enter on .tar.gz and browse it as local dir May 03 05:30:53 with f5 acting as a copy May 03 05:30:54 :) May 03 05:31:07 and f3 as a view May 03 05:31:17 oh thats pretty sweet. Does it use the installed version of tar or would I still need to upgrade that? May 03 05:31:45 installed version May 03 05:31:53 I don't have function buttons on my iGo stowaway :( Guess I would have to ssh in May 03 05:32:03 you do May 03 05:32:08 probably with some f key May 03 05:35:09 ah, unzip is working though, and unlike tar I can specify a destination directory with -d May 03 06:00:39 dude May 03 06:00:46 i'm in a bar May 03 06:00:51 drinking beer May 03 06:00:56 i love n800 May 03 06:01:15 lol May 03 06:12:45 is it possible to edit the command that menu items run? if i want to add some command line switches and such May 03 06:13:02 yes, /usr/share/applications/hildon/ May 03 06:13:44 hotness =) May 03 06:32:53 :p May 03 06:47:30 * qwerty12 really needs to add pcspkr to the blacklisted module list... May 03 06:47:39 lol May 03 06:47:44 or just disconnect it from mb May 03 06:48:15 Hmm, 15-20 mins work compared to 5 mins editing a file :p May 03 06:48:23 15? May 03 06:48:36 I don't open computers much May 03 06:48:39 i would say more like 15 sec May 03 06:48:40 :) May 03 06:49:07 Infact, when I was using my old computer to softmod my xbox, the old computer nearly went on fire >.< May 03 06:49:09 :) May 03 06:49:30 :) May 03 06:49:35 Because of the pc speaker. Some weird irony :p May 03 06:50:59 how could you set pc on fire because of wc speaker? May 03 06:51:16 it's really nice trick :) May 03 06:52:19 :p Because the way you softmod an xbox with a computer, you have to have them next to each other (the harddrive) and when I was doing it, I knocked the harddrive inside my computer, some wires started melting and smoke was coming out >.< May 03 06:52:36 I checked it and the pc speaker wire was burned out May 03 06:52:42 so I disconnected it and carried on... May 03 06:52:53 ah, i think metal case of hdd shorted some circuits May 03 06:53:35 I think that computer was dumped somewhere. 733Mhz processor and 128MB ram w00t. May 03 06:53:46 nice machine May 03 06:54:06 my scratchbox box has 128mb and 566 cpu May 03 06:54:06 :) May 03 06:54:50 :). Mine has 2.8GHz dual core and 2GB. I used linux on that old computer but I still preferred windows at that time and it had on a 20GB hard drive. May 03 06:56:41 nice, there is ddwrt for x86 May 03 06:56:42 :> May 03 06:57:02 cheap router anyone? :> May 03 06:57:19 It had no ethernet and USB 1.1 and I ripped out all the (rubbish) parts from it :p May 03 06:59:17 i have something like this: http://tekgems.com/Products/et-9367-sys-syu3791w.htm May 03 06:59:30 i like integrated switch and lcd :) May 03 06:59:41 It looks quite nice :) May 03 06:59:47 yup, that too May 03 06:59:54 and i have got it for free :) May 03 07:00:16 Hehe May 03 07:00:22 can't beat the price ;) May 03 07:01:14 But but what about www.free.com May 03 07:01:17 :p May 03 07:01:38 don't know, i prefer craigslist May 03 07:01:39 :) May 03 07:02:00 true, I use ebay and sometimes gumtree May 03 07:02:04 guy was giving it away because his wife was fed up with noise from this machine May 03 07:02:05 :) May 03 07:02:11 Lol May 03 07:02:22 i have modded the fans and it's quiet now :) May 03 07:03:07 lmao, he gave it away as well :p May 03 07:03:31 KotCzarny: you use tightvnc right? May 03 07:03:43 woodwizzle: sometimes May 03 07:04:35 I'm trying to set it up with an SSH tunnel but I think its not working right because I either got the wrong ip and ports in the wrong spots, or I don't have the port forwarding correctly setup on my router May 03 07:05:03 once I get it working I'll put it all in a little shell script that I'll run from the menus though =) May 03 07:05:07 you don't need port forwarding on router if you use port forwarding in ssh May 03 07:05:17 Ah ok May 03 07:05:38 should I turn the port forwarding on the router off then? or does it make a difference? May 03 07:05:59 you juust need to port forward to your sshd port May 03 07:06:01 trick is, if you can get in with ssh, you don't need anything else May 03 07:06:02 :) May 03 07:06:06 yeah May 03 07:06:10 muhahahaha May 03 07:06:42 ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 May 03 07:07:43 well, if your vnc server is on the same machine as your sshd server May 03 07:07:47 er daemon May 03 07:08:05 do I need sshd on the vnc machine? May 03 07:08:22 otherwise it'd be ssh -L 5900:IPofVNCmachine:5900 May 03 07:08:51 you need sshd on the machine that can see destination or source May 03 07:08:57 no, you just need sshd on the same network as the machine with the vnc server May 03 07:09:17 well is it ok if I do it on the machine with the vnc server? May 03 07:09:24 my sshd machine is not the same as the machine I VNC into May 03 07:09:31 do what May 03 07:09:33 sure May 03 07:09:39 Ok cool May 03 07:09:51 as long as it is sturdy enough May 03 07:09:58 and you're not too rough May 03 07:10:02 Its a quad core ;) May 03 07:10:09 harddrives don't like to be shaken too much May 03 07:10:13 ;) May 03 07:10:33 yeah, there can be FIRE May 03 07:10:34 ;) May 03 07:10:38 try to keep the fluid drippage to a minimum too May 03 07:10:59 now my machine is behind a router, Do i use my internet visible ip address or the local network ip address? May 03 07:11:11 are you outside the router? May 03 07:11:33 is your ssh server behind the router? May 03 07:11:52 if so, use the local network IP in your port forward string May 03 07:11:56 Proteous, lmao May 03 07:12:11 ssh -L 5900:LocalIP:5900 May 03 07:12:52 and when you connect with your VNC client make sure you are connecting to localhost May 03 07:13:38 Proteous: right now I'm also behind the router, but I want to have it setup so that I can access it when I'm out and about May 03 07:13:52 I was tunneling VNC through SSH on my 770 teathered to my cell phone May 03 07:14:02 nice May 03 07:14:03 yeah, should work the same May 03 07:14:47 and I think my server is on port 5901 May 03 07:14:53 :) May 03 07:15:15 then using port 5901 in your forwarding string would work much much better then what I was writing May 03 07:17:40 hmm. i got my ssh server installed on the host machine, but I can't seem to login from the tablet on the network. I run ssh 192.168.1.102 -l corey but no connection May 03 07:17:57 and I did make sure ssh was started by running /etc/init.d/ssh restart May 03 07:19:15 you can run netstat --listen and make sure ssh there May 03 07:19:27 from the host? May 03 07:20:06 from the machine that sshd is supposidly running on May 03 07:20:15 'supposedly' May 03 07:20:19 thanks May 03 07:20:43 tcp6 0 0 [::]:ssh [::]:* LISTEN May 03 07:20:59 tcp6 ? May 03 07:21:08 you using IPv6 May 03 07:21:11 yeah i gots no clue what that is May 03 07:21:14 i shouldn't be May 03 07:21:17 heh May 03 07:21:34 maybe that's the default ;-( May 03 07:21:45 edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config May 03 07:22:05 bye bye May 03 07:22:20 lol May 03 07:22:34 hit the wrong red "X" May 03 07:22:52 new name, same ssh problems May 03 07:23:17 I thought you had already worked out your ssh problems before I entered this conversation May 03 07:23:26 if I had known I would have STFU May 03 07:23:28 hehe May 03 07:26:04 poop, dunno why I rebooted May 03 07:26:08 still no ssh though May 03 07:26:08 heh May 03 07:26:10 lol May 03 07:35:58 even if its using v6 shouldn't it work on a v4 network. Its all backwards compatible right? May 03 07:36:15 not sure that tcp6 means IPv6 May 03 07:36:25 my quick google search was inconclusive May 03 07:36:44 yes, it's ipv6, but it doesn't mean all his machines talk ipv6 May 03 07:36:45 :) May 03 07:36:51 or route it May 03 07:39:00 seems the tcp6 can mean that the service is listening on ipv4 and ipv6 May 03 07:39:11 s/service/daemon May 03 07:40:16 well, it doesn't work for him ;) May 03 07:40:23 very true May 03 07:42:05 very true indeed May 03 07:42:23 malloc is memory allocation right? May 03 07:42:45 yes May 03 07:42:45 I belive so May 03 07:42:50 qwerty12: yup May 03 07:42:50 Thanks May 03 07:42:59 or some form of digestive aid May 03 07:43:07 lol May 03 07:44:25 it's mallox May 03 07:44:26 i think May 03 07:44:45 hello May 03 07:45:29 Does Numpty Physics work on N800? Where is the deb at? May 03 07:46:17 it does May 03 07:54:09 * qwerty12 thinks make and gcc and all the rest suck May 03 07:54:23 why? May 03 07:54:59 All I am doing is putting in void *cheat = NULL; and cheat = malloc(512*270); and the rest of the code suddenly has erros. May 03 07:55:04 s/erros/errors May 03 07:55:55 then probably there are bugs May 03 07:55:56 :) May 03 07:56:31 But if a DS devkit will happily compile with that line inside :( May 03 07:56:43 ^it May 03 07:56:51 because it's ok May 03 08:01:23 It's this ROTT port. Except for controls which can be shrugged aside because it's still realitivly (spelling and x-chat spellchecker doesn't have the right spelling) playable except for the freezing during levels. Sometimes it crashes on loading the first level, sometimes not. But when I tried loading second level, it crashed and I spent quite a while playing the first level. Makes it unplayable then. May 03 08:01:33 At least save and load works. May 03 08:27:17 Panic scare over. Sigh. May 03 08:28:01 grammar parser failed May 03 08:28:29 muhahahahahahaahahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa grammerz suckzors fasdas May 03 08:29:14 zombie nation May 03 08:29:23 chomp May 03 08:29:27 yum# May 03 08:30:45 I dont think my usb port is working. May 03 08:31:07 plumbing needed? May 03 08:32:00 No a new n800, I plugged in charger and usb cable and it kept rebooting and now without usb cable connected, it boots but when I plug it in, it doesn't do anything. May 03 08:32:41 i wonder if it starts rebooting randomly now May 03 08:32:42 :) May 03 08:33:35 I need to remove powerlaunch from run level 5, it's stopping me from booting. May 03 08:34:24 I am seriously tempted to throw my N800 against a wall. May 03 08:34:46 use some flasher settings to force it into submission? May 03 08:35:25 I don't think it is watchdog rebooting it :( May 03 08:35:56 like setting some boot parameters to force it onto another run level :P May 03 08:36:12 I noticed while booting this morning, the screen was black so I took out the battery. May 03 08:36:17 Stskeeps, you can do that? May 03 08:36:26 --boot, -b [arg] Boot the kernel with optional cmdline May 03 08:36:40 Ah, thanks :) May 03 08:36:56 should be possible to do something with that, atleast May 03 08:37:04 I'm gonna modify initfs to stop it booting in run level 5 soon. May 03 08:39:01 ok, usb port is working fine, I think maemo is being a bitch. "USB device found found at bus 003, device address 009" May 03 08:47:23 solmumaha, if you catch this message later, do you want to test out a new binary for me? I think I've solved freezing problems. I started new game 3 times in a row without it freezing. May 03 09:20:19 Ok, need an opinion, for the icon of the ROTT port, what's better (ignore size): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MAC10.jpg or the pic on this page: http://www.3drealms.com/rott/index.html May 03 09:22:34 I'm serious. May 03 09:43:41 how is the state of scratchbox vs. amd64 nowadays? still need a chroot? May 03 09:49:06 seems like. ok, into my chroot it goes. May 03 09:50:15 I think you can setarch the install but I read that sb2 works with 64bit. May 03 09:51:01 hmm, but do I get a bunch of other problems with sb2? May 03 09:51:34 nah, I just go the chroot way. I needed the chroot for other stuff too. May 03 09:51:46 I prefer sb1 to sb2 because sb2 integrates more with the host where as sb1 keeps files seperate. May 03 09:52:19 i like it separate May 03 09:52:20 :) May 03 09:52:24 +1 :) May 03 09:52:32 Makes it much easier to dig out files. May 03 09:52:40 or to start over May 03 09:52:42 ;) May 03 09:52:52 after some serious breakage May 03 09:53:02 Meh, for me that = reformat :/ May 03 09:53:17 :) May 03 09:53:41 for me it's a simple untar May 03 09:53:51 (yes, i have a backup) May 03 09:53:52 :) May 03 09:53:59 :) May 03 09:54:00 well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot made it rather easy to just make a chroot where I can install whatever I need to run in 32bit mode. May 03 11:07:16 hey, i am following the " HOW TO: Simplest and Complete Cloning of OS to MMC; Dual-Booting" guide on ITT, ive come to the partitioning part and think the instructions are for 800. before i destroy the wrong MMC i want to know if i can list which /media/MMC belongs to which /dev/mmcblk May 03 11:08:44 Type "mount" May 03 11:09:49 wicked, thanks derf :) May 03 11:27:56 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12247 dropped into my mail today May 03 11:27:58 damn its small May 03 11:29:58 install damn small linux there :) May 03 11:30:13 lmao May 03 11:42:26 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/minidisks.jpg May 03 12:29:20 huhu May 03 12:29:26 nice day outside :) May 03 12:29:52 Not bad here. For England... :p May 03 12:33:34 nice day inside too :D May 03 12:33:37 :p May 03 12:33:45 raining hsporadically here May 03 12:35:35 id prefer rain May 03 12:39:04 * lcuk has shed his winter coat May 03 12:41:19 sunny and no rain at all here May 03 12:41:33 a bit dusty though May 03 12:42:28 now ive got no hair i cant keep a cig behind my ear May 03 12:42:36 (and its sunny here as well) May 03 12:43:52 <_berto_> nice day everywhere May 03 12:43:53 <_berto_> ;) May 03 12:48:05 gorgeous, cool, slightly overcast day here. It was nice because it's been way too hot and humid the last week... May 03 12:50:57 lcuk. for presentations, i'd like a 800x600 webcam that does hardware mpeg4 compression and just sends compressed data over usb (1) to the notebook May 03 12:51:10 with macro mode of course May 03 12:51:15 think there's such a thing? May 03 12:53:06 there should be - have you looked at what res you get by using a normal digital camera in webcam mode May 03 12:53:09 google found a company that's doing RnD for that, but didn't find any products May 03 12:54:08 nobounds May 03 12:54:12 yeah my fuji F30 gets 640x480, but it can't focus close-up in video mode May 03 12:54:31 heh, somehow i doubt nobounds would be good for demoing emulators May 03 12:54:41 macro zoom in webcam mode May 03 13:05:26 pupnik, is it possible to use x11vnc for this? May 03 13:06:10 for my porpoises nah May 03 13:06:32 cos you are using the raw surface and not x11 primatives/ May 03 13:07:00 plus the point is to show performance, and any framegrabbity stuff will impace that May 03 13:07:45 dont webcams have a focusing nobble May 03 13:08:17 only some of them May 03 13:09:47 you cant be the first person who wants to do something similar - may be an idea to ask quim how he and others manage it May 03 13:11:05 how difficult is it to port something in VB to maemo? :) May 03 13:11:53 depends on the actual project ImMelod1 but ive not seen any basic around. im a vb dev in day job and just rewrite as required May 03 13:18:28 ImMelod1: You should be able to convert the code to python relatively easily if its less than few thousand loc May 03 13:19:27 alrighty May 03 13:19:47 converting to c will be a whole lot more difficult May 03 13:19:48 my hubby is writing something in VB for me so I was going to see if I could convert it as he writes it May 03 13:20:09 should be pretty ok on python May 03 13:21:49 ok, fight continues May 03 13:21:56 time for a newer kernel May 03 13:22:49 should be easy May 03 13:22:59 a pity that Vcc control won't work May 03 13:23:19 I could try to port that part of the patch (pretty simple) May 03 13:23:44 (just a mod of cpufreq writing random GPIOs) May 03 13:26:01 alternatively, I could take more time and do a proper port May 03 13:26:14 to the ladder ACPI power scheme May 03 13:26:38 as a separate cpufreq driver May 03 13:26:41 What are you currently fighting for? May 03 13:26:53 RST38h: now, run 2.6.25 May 03 13:27:08 just have to upload it and the modules May 03 13:27:24 maybe apply that patch May 03 13:27:34 Is there anything worth using in 2.6.25? May 03 13:27:41 I mean, for a tablet? May 03 13:27:52 cpu scheduler, swap fixes May 03 13:28:12 one downside is missing voltage control May 03 13:28:22 but I should be able to port that May 03 13:28:31 it's very localized May 03 13:29:08 and ofc make wifi work May 03 13:29:23 already made it build, let's see if it works too May 03 13:29:52 should, at least with SLAB memory allocator (old one) May 03 13:30:33 but I hope the only problem was just a missing export, not some inlined SLAB code May 03 13:33:43 ok, time to experiment May 03 13:34:23 nah May 03 13:34:32 battery needs more charging May 03 13:37:30 someone is working on a near real-time cpu frequency scaling replacement -- that would help overall responsiveness May 03 13:37:44 not that much May 03 13:37:50 yes, tons May 03 13:37:52 it is SERIOUSLY broken May 03 13:37:57 ask lcuk. May 03 13:38:01 the most important problem is cpu sched May 03 13:38:02 it should do - the cpufreq scaling is very hit n miss May 03 13:38:10 see.. :) May 03 13:38:17 for non-problematic, use conservative May 03 13:38:30 w/o powersave bias it's very efficient May 03 13:38:38 i can run an app one time and its fast, and another its slow and another its fast then slow then fast ... May 03 13:38:39 the problem is that your high-CPU task is *over* before cpufreq scaling kicks in May 03 13:39:00 fysa: you can tune thresholds May 03 13:39:08 it's not thresholds May 03 13:39:12 it's the sampling rate May 03 13:39:19 and decrease ^ May 03 13:39:32 tuning threshholds effects ALL apps though - lowering it to 40%ish means that cpu is at high speed more often and battery flattens quicker May 03 13:39:37 ofc decreasing sampling rate eats more cpu May 03 13:40:06 AStorm: So you are saying that your suggestion for dealing with cpufreq is to turn the threshold so low that it's basically always clocked high. May 03 13:40:07 lcuk: that's why you should toggle powersave bias too May 03 13:40:11 no May 03 13:40:22 then what else would that accomplish? May 03 13:40:27 do your research. May 03 13:40:32 I did May 03 13:40:33 this is a serious problem. May 03 13:40:37 cpufreq is getting TRASHED. May 03 13:40:41 sampling rate is too low May 03 13:40:43 you can stop defending it now. May 03 13:40:57 yes, new acpi controller is better May 03 13:41:06 non-polling May 03 13:41:30 don't know if it's possible to use that on the tablet though May 03 13:41:40 astorm, currently the only way i can make a stock os2008 machine run smoothly is to DOUBLE or even triple the workload. if i run through the entire rendering routine twice it will go smoothly. that is NOT the best solution May 03 13:41:52 heh May 03 13:41:54 why do you love cpufreq so much. astorm? May 03 13:42:04 fysa: I don't May 03 13:42:10 tune sampling rate up May 03 13:42:15 I have. May 03 13:42:17 it's VERY low now May 03 13:42:19 it's still bullshit. May 03 13:42:25 it's still too slow for pressure-sensitive drawing. May 03 13:42:35 hmmm May 03 13:42:37 the CPU doesn't kick up until after your curve is drawn May 03 13:42:47 the problem is an instantaneous need for high CPU May 03 13:42:53 why does that eat so much cpu? May 03 13:43:32 it shouldn't May 03 13:43:34 the sampling rate of the touch interface May 03 13:43:42 if no real solution can be found, it would be a reasonable compromise to mark my rendering thread as needing high cpu (no, nice doesnt work) May 03 13:43:56 which means you're doing it wrong May 03 13:44:03 no, AStorm May 03 13:44:05 for crying out loud May 03 13:44:07 it's been declared broken May 03 13:44:20 why do you need to sample it so often? spikes? May 03 13:44:34 let's say you have a completely idle CPU, clocked down May 03 13:44:40 AStorm, the work you have to do after detecting a mouse move is what runs slowly effectively lowering the sampling rate because you check next time May 03 13:44:43 then you quickly draw figure 8's on the screen May 03 13:44:55 hi May 03 13:44:57 if the CPU is clocked low, half of those 8s will be straight lines criss-crossing May 03 13:45:00 because the sample rate was too low May 03 13:45:03 ah I had problem with it before I deniced X :P May 03 13:45:15 then halfway through, the rate will kick up and you will get an accurate curve May 03 13:45:30 that's because X won't get interactive bonus if reniced May 03 13:45:43 how can i play daap music (shared with rhythmbox) on n810 ? May 03 13:45:43 fysa, still not perfectly accurate, doing circles at fastest on performance and rendering is still only octagons May 03 13:45:59 = get new cpu scheduler and don't blame cpufreq May 03 13:46:15 but its loads better than when the cpu is at low speed May 03 13:46:23 **we are getting a new cpufreq** May 03 13:46:24 so, please, try renice -n 0 $(pidof Xomap) May 03 13:46:31 that too May 03 13:46:45 but it won't help nearly as much as you think it will May 03 13:46:53 sampling rate is going away May 03 13:47:02 say, I've debugged the problem May 03 13:47:04 i, for one, welcome our new cpufreq overlords May 03 13:47:12 no sampling rate = no delay May 03 13:47:15 no need to adjust May 03 13:47:22 by setting to performance, it doesn't go away May 03 13:47:29 so, you're wrong May 03 13:47:31 :P May 03 13:47:44 of course it doesn't May 03 13:47:48 try that renice, please May 03 13:47:48 with canola ? May 03 13:47:51 going for a bikeride. when I get back, i expect everything to be fixed. May 03 13:47:52 fixes it May 03 13:48:06 pupnik: yeah May 03 13:48:10 lol pupnik, enjoy yourself and the NIT will make you a cuppa when you return May 03 13:48:12 :) http://pupnik.de/arbeiten.gif May 03 13:48:42 fysa: alternatively, drop me a test app May 03 13:49:08 because I did fix a problem with maemopad, that you describe May 03 13:49:30 by dropping nice -1 from Xomap May 03 13:49:53 w/o any cpufreq mangling at all May 03 13:51:03 although, old cpu sched still has issues on high cpu load May 03 13:51:17 unfairness and all :P May 03 13:53:07 definitely can believe that May 03 13:54:04 i see this bug report https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/canola-users/2007-April/000567.html but i dont now where can i access to daap sharing in canola... May 03 13:55:22 AStorm, have a look here May 03 13:55:22 http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles May 03 13:55:43 grab the liqbase test file and run it on your machine - the first stars intro screen shows cpu speed very nicely May 03 13:56:38 running on performance is nice and smooth at >25fps, however on ondemand it judders unless you are stroking the screen lots May 03 13:57:03 take all files and copy into a folder somewhere executable May 03 13:57:51 hello May 03 13:57:54 nice demo May 03 13:58:07 :) May 03 13:58:36 its just part of me getting ready to work on this NIT, theres other things in progress May 03 13:59:16 Glad to hear it :), Good luck with your projects :) May 03 13:59:22 Canola's photo viewer is really nice May 03 13:59:28 heh, actually thats got lower resolution by default - max framerate is 33fps May 03 13:59:50 there's no noticeable latency when dragging around an image May 03 14:00:50 Makes me want to write a comic viewer in efl to use May 03 14:00:57 qwerty12_N800, if you actually look at the book - i managed to get it smooth scrolling on the default cpu after sacrificing a few pixels May 03 14:01:29 Yeah, looks good :) May 03 14:01:31 since i did that ive put in resolution switching and cpu frequency changing May 03 14:01:48 but i really want a proper way to handle this cpu scaling problem May 03 14:02:32 Hehe, I extracted that demo to /var/tmp because i knew it would get deleted but i moved it to ~ because it's quite fun (imo) May 03 14:03:55 :) it will only get better once i have a few more piece in place - ive got about 3 weeks to do that before i call it a day and release the specific apps (with cleansed source) May 03 14:04:29 i want enough of a library to write any apps i need with it - the xv base is about the fastest rendering ive managed to get on this device May 03 14:04:34 can you help me please ? May 03 14:04:58 daap not sure dont use canola May 03 14:05:15 pretty sure canola doesn't do daap right now May 03 14:05:29 is there another daap client ? May 03 14:05:35 I don't know May 03 14:05:57 qwerty12_N800: fun?? "quite fun" ??? demos are not supposed to be fun. lcuk must've forgotten to strip the binaries.. ;) May 03 14:06:21 its relaxing to watch the stars May 03 14:06:33 briand, This one is niceee May 03 14:06:36 :sigh: you're going to make me download it, aren't ya? May 03 14:07:14 * lcuk is stuck with one major thing though at the moment May 03 14:07:17 i fell asleep last night with the n800, and didn't plug it in... it's charging now May 03 14:07:45 johnx: lcuk: thanks May 03 14:07:48 briand, a typical thing for me :/ May 03 14:07:58 juke, sure, wish I could give you better news :/ May 03 14:09:59 There is a ruby daap client, not sure on the work needed to make it run on maemo. May 03 14:12:15 i need file load/save routines in c for a page structure ( containing stroke structures (each stroke is an array of points) ) and my foo is lost on c. any ideas where ill find decent text based load/save examples May 03 14:12:34 is there any itunes compatible daap lib available yet? May 03 14:13:11 konttori, im looking at this : http://craz.net/programs/itunes/tunesbrowser.html May 03 14:13:43 looks like it won't work with current itunes May 03 14:14:00 they changed the keys in 2006. May 03 14:14:04 ah :( May 03 14:14:10 After that I haven't seen any compatible libs May 03 14:15:07 lcuk: the k&r book? ;) May 03 14:16:27 but, there are other daaps than itunes May 03 14:16:40 probably right, i havent looked deeply into text processing for years - i wrote parsers and stuff years ago before my amiga died but havent got any of my framework now :( since then ive been using vb so recent knowledge is not useful May 03 14:16:47 so, if you want to stream music, you can use another prog to share the music May 03 14:17:53 lcuk: ...or, you could use the "swiss army chain saw" May 03 14:18:47 lcuk: years ago, `awk` was referred to as the "swiss army knife" of scripting languages.. you could do -anything- with it. May 03 14:19:10 awk...ward May 03 14:19:12 but since i am writing in c and scripting language is out of reach.. May 03 14:19:41 briand: after larry wall came out with perl, the comment was made that "if awk is a swiss army knife, perl is a swiss army chainsaw" May 03 14:22:01 anyway, lcuk ... i would take a look at the k&r book. worth the glance. :) and, it's really not that difficult to read/write files May 03 14:22:33 lcuk, hehe, which fujitsu did you have? I had a 720 :) and it's iSilo :p :) May 03 14:22:35 i know that, but i was set on using human readable May 03 14:22:57 LOOX oldish one errr 610 (picked it up and looked) May 03 14:23:41 ah :) May 03 14:23:46 lcuk: you want the file (read and written) to be in ASCII format, so that humans can read it? ...like a config file? May 03 14:23:56 yer May 03 14:24:24 readln / writeln May 03 14:24:34 but my initial trials with scanf for getting the data back in failed because i couldnt get it to stop reading a string token when the next part of the pattern was encountered May 03 14:25:09 if it's an ascii file, you'll want to read just one line at a time (break on CR or CRLF) May 03 14:25:32 ie scanf("page('%20s',%i,%i)",&pagename,%pagew,%pageh); May 03 14:26:09 i expected the string to stop being read when i reached the ', part of the pattern but it is dumb and just reads the entire 20characters.. May 03 14:26:36 (im told i should not leave off the maximum because that causes buffer problems) May 03 14:26:54 lcuk: yes, that won't work May 03 14:27:03 %s stops on whitespace May 03 14:27:16 use strrchr or strtok May 03 14:27:24 and then scanf May 03 14:27:32 (sscanf) May 03 14:27:38 hence writing a parser - when i start thinking down those lines i start thinking about full grammars etc May 03 14:27:49 overkill May 03 14:28:00 yeah, otherwise, scanf will continue until it finds a null byte (which it won't, in an ascii file) May 03 14:28:06 maybe full yacc grammar? :P May 03 14:28:26 instead of just switching through a few lineformats for the 3 or 4 different lines im expecting May 03 14:28:27 briand: s/null/whitespace/ May 03 14:29:02 lcuk: I still think strrchr parser will be fast and efficient May 03 14:29:25 Use %20[^,] May 03 14:29:35 actually, not a parser, but a lexer May 03 14:29:53 derf: yeah, but it's scanf, not pcre May 03 14:29:58 faster and more efficient is a binary file... why do you want it human readable, if your program is doing the reading/writing? May 03 14:30:08 briand: think unix May 03 14:30:10 That's what he wanted to use. May 03 14:30:16 easier to script May 03 14:30:22 derf: naaah May 03 14:30:22 speed is not important, for the size ANYTHINGG will work May 03 14:30:37 lcuk: thus, use a regex May 03 14:30:48 or strrchr loop lexer May 03 14:30:52 but i expected that if i could write it with printf i could read it back in with scanf ... i cant May 03 14:30:54 "then, you'll have two problems" May 03 14:30:59 lcuk: hehe May 03 14:31:16 bad assumption May 03 14:31:48 my personal bet is strrchr to an array of strings May 03 14:31:50 not really - it turned up in testing May 03 14:32:20 ill just end up with a pattern function from somewhere, and yes it will likely include regex in the middle May 03 14:32:32 strchr only grabs single item May 03 14:32:36 regexes are evil, mark my words May 03 14:32:45 thats why im holding off.. May 03 14:32:46 lcuk: yes, use it in a loop May 03 14:33:06 btw, how do I install man pages on N? May 03 14:33:38 you need to install man first i think May 03 14:33:43 i once wrote a regex in perl that would determine the arbitrary delimiter of a delimited text file, then read in the file based on that delimiter. the whole routine was in 4 lines of perl. the developers @ my workplace took 2 months and 16,000 lines of code to do the same thing in their code. May 03 14:33:46 You will want to disable docpurge May 03 14:33:54 never underestimate perl. or regex. :) May 03 14:34:12 briand, nice lol May 03 14:34:16 Or shitty developers. May 03 14:34:19 qwerty12_N800: how? May 03 14:34:21 briand, i did something similar in vb :) May 03 14:34:28 I am not a debianist. May 03 14:34:36 a couple more lines though :P May 03 14:34:42 derf: no, the devs weren't shitty... just ill-equipped. May 03 14:34:43 morning May 03 14:34:52 briand: because the guy loses May 03 14:35:01 and he wrote a full regex engine :P May 03 14:35:11 AStorm, move /usr/sbin/docpurge May 03 14:35:30 qwerty12_N800: uhm, more clean way, like some apt config file? May 03 14:36:14 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99-docpurge should do it then May 03 14:36:18 but I still need man-pages package May 03 14:36:20 thx May 03 14:37:02 right, im gonna write myself a wrapper so i can use scanf formatting but have %s stop when it encounters the next part of the pattern May 03 14:37:07 AStorm: almost did, yes.. except, it's specific to this particular file specification. if the spec changes, he's got to adjust and recompile. my perl script will still work. ;) May 03 14:37:11 you should be able to extract that from a debian etch ; arch should be all May 03 14:37:20 man-pages that is May 03 14:37:24 lcuk: I already told you: use %20[^,] May 03 14:37:31 and just compile man May 03 14:37:46 scanf already does what you want. May 03 14:38:00 derf, but that looks very much like regex - will scanf handle it? May 03 14:38:09 man scanf if you don't believe me. May 03 14:38:16 derf: no, scanf can't read regexes May 03 14:38:22 gnu extension, dummy May 03 14:38:35 gnu extensions are evil May 03 14:38:43 That is not a GNU extension. May 03 14:38:47 It is not a regex. May 03 14:38:51 must be May 03 14:39:06 never seen it in my man page May 03 14:39:08 AStorm: did you try lcuk's demo app? May 03 14:39:12 let's see May 03 14:39:13 Then you didn't read it. May 03 14:39:16 fysa: link? May 03 14:39:28 scroll up -- brb May 03 14:39:36 http://liquid.googlepages.com/testfiles May 03 14:40:04 lcuk: ok, checking May 03 14:41:15 AStorm: " [ Matches a nonempty sequence of characters from the specified set of accepted characters; " ...etc May 03 14:41:47 which system? May 03 14:42:05 that's on my Fedora Core 8 system May 03 14:42:51 AStorm: also on solaris 10 :) May 03 14:42:59 And every other system known to man. May 03 14:43:08 and, it conforms to ANSI specification May 03 14:43:27 Now, please tell me again what "must" be a GNU extension? May 03 14:43:28 (specifically, x3.159-1989) ;) May 03 14:43:31 briand: sorry, not in FreeBSD 6 it seems May 03 14:43:52 or the man page is deficient May 03 14:43:59 it is present in Mac OS May 03 14:44:28 well, BSD is a horse of a different color now, isn't it? :) May 03 14:44:34 No, not really. May 03 14:44:51 Here, for example, is a man page from FreeBSD 4.11 that describes it: http://www.wbp.de/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=3S&topic=scanf May 03 14:44:54 my openbsd box also support it May 03 14:45:19 mhm May 03 14:45:29 * AStorm kills that FreeBSD box May 03 14:46:11 well, regardless.. the man page for scanf() was written in 1995... if your system doesn't work the same way, you may need to do an update. ;) Are you running a 2.6 kernel? ;) May 03 14:46:26 briand: my Linux is fine with it May 03 14:46:39 my old uni FreeBSD 6 isn't May 03 14:46:43 derf, thanks :) im getting input now correctly for single word keys - its enough to let me continue, but im not sure what i will do if the page name or anything else has spaces in May 03 14:46:47 duhdeduh May 03 14:47:30 lcuk: then %[] will grab them May 03 14:47:31 lcuk: That pattern does not stop on whitespace. May 03 14:47:35 yes May 03 14:47:41 It also does not skip leading whitespace. May 03 14:47:55 good point May 03 14:48:01 * lcuk tries again May 03 14:48:10 hm May 03 14:48:36 Your real problem is if someone includes the character you want to stop at in the string. May 03 14:48:40 is this scanf part covered in SYSV? May 03 14:48:53 yep, that's made of fail May 03 14:49:12 But, you'd have that problem with any parsing method. May 03 14:49:15 scanf can't recognize \ escapes May 03 14:49:28 15:48:03 res=1, fmt='page(%20s[^,] ,%i,%i)' skey='gary' swh(0,0) in='page(gary liquid ,800,480)' May 03 14:49:42 there's no easy way to make it do so May 03 14:50:26 lcuk: invalid? %20[^,] May 03 14:50:29 derf, in vb i can use wildcard patterns in string comparisons and it knows when the wildcard part ands and the next part of the pattern begins May 03 14:50:31 w/o s May 03 14:52:15 lcuk: which proggy should I grab from your page May 03 14:52:31 read the scrollback, but its liqbase_test20080417.zip May 03 14:52:45 mhm May 03 14:53:27 make me a demo that lets me overclock to 2.8 ghz please. May 03 14:54:50 ill upload the version with screen resolution changing that gives ummm 100fps at fullspeed ;) May 03 14:55:15 cant wait! May 03 14:55:30 lcuk: no SDLttf on ma IT yet May 03 14:56:14 :O does that version still need it May 03 14:56:33 id forgotten all about that - i ripped out all sdl stuff May 03 14:56:48 well, it does May 03 14:58:32 With liquid cooler using human blood as coolant... May 03 14:58:45 haha May 03 14:58:56 no, air-colled by human breath May 03 14:59:05 you have to blow hard on it May 03 14:59:17 or it'll crash May 03 14:59:20 You will have to use A LOT of humans May 03 14:59:52 well, it just uses a bit of IVA May 03 15:00:48 * lcuk pours water on AStorms nokia May 03 15:01:21 lcuk: well, it's not even water resistant May 03 15:01:25 so, don't May 03 15:01:39 then how do i manage to hold mine? May 03 15:01:43 goodbye AStorm's N810 May 03 15:01:56 lcuk: surface tension? May 03 15:01:59 qwerty12: nah, he's too far to cause damage May 03 15:02:07 lol May 03 15:02:22 astorm, but you put a little bit of me into your computer May 03 15:02:35 lcuk: not enough May 03 15:02:45 MOAR liquid May 03 15:02:58 you forgot a dependency of liblcuk-brain.0.0.1.so May 03 15:03:10 dependency not found May 03 15:03:36 apt-get install liblcuk-brain May 03 15:03:50 no such package May 03 15:03:55 about to install 3bits, continue? May 03 15:03:59 *** repository corrupted *** May 03 15:04:25 it's a metapackage for nothing May 03 15:04:30 :p May 03 15:04:43 heh, bastards.. May 03 15:04:45 lmfao May 03 15:04:49 lol# May 03 15:04:51 Poor lcuk :D May 03 15:04:52 haha May 03 15:04:54 no, it runs rm -rf / May 03 15:05:07 but what is there to delete? :p May 03 15:05:09 it touched my userspace driver :( May 03 15:05:17 everything else May 03 15:05:29 i.e. the rest of lcuk May 03 15:05:36 * lcuk is deeply wounded by the internet May 03 15:05:56 * AStorm adds a stab wound to that May 03 15:06:03 * qwerty12 adds salt May 03 15:06:24 im gonna tell my mum on you lot May 03 15:06:31 * briand ..and just a dash of tabasco May 03 15:06:50 shit, run! May 03 15:06:55 * Navi runs May 03 15:07:11 mums do not cross 'the pond' May 03 15:07:14 * briand stays put. May 03 15:07:25 does worse... tells his missus May 03 15:07:29 yeh but I'm in da UK like lcuk May 03 15:07:35 she would use any excuse to go to america May 03 15:07:38 * Navi secks lcuk May 03 15:07:44 hi May 03 15:07:47 lopz, hi May 03 15:09:27 heya Navi ! May 03 15:12:08 any idea why OS2008 takes ages to update the package list? It seems to hang for minutes at the very end of the list download. May 03 15:12:31 apt-get update instead May 03 15:12:32 kpel, it's like that :/. I have to keep repeating the action before it is done. May 03 15:12:34 it is updating apt database May 03 15:12:36 +1 Navi May 03 15:13:03 Navi: i would but i have no qwerty keyboard. just an N800 May 03 15:13:21 i hate using the cli through a touch screen May 03 15:13:30 That's too bad then May 03 15:13:39 indeed May 03 15:13:44 kpel: write a script May 03 15:13:58 and give it a .desktop file May 03 15:14:06 Install SSH on your tablet and SSH in :P May 03 15:14:11 AStorm: any info on the syntax of the .desktop files ? May 03 15:14:19 any idea what i need to link to to get atan2f ? May 03 15:14:36 i thought it was in the standard c lib (included with math.h) May 03 15:14:41 Navi: yes, i do use ssh from time to time for maintenance (although my gut feeling says i shouldn't have to). May 03 15:14:45 http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/2494/1497/1600/434726/screenshot03.png May 03 15:14:46 kpel, check the other desktop files in the hildon folder May 03 15:14:55 Navi: ok i will, thanks May 03 15:14:56 maemo synaptic would be nice. May 03 15:15:04 synaptic rocks May 03 15:15:13 fysa: lol, why? May 03 15:15:13 but who knows what resources does it need May 03 15:15:16 http://dkothari.blogspot.com/2006/12/synaptic-package-manager-for-maemo.html May 03 15:15:17 APT sucks May 03 15:15:46 AStorm: because enabling matrix mode and installing packages one-at-a-time, while waiting for "Updating.." for 10 seconds between each package, takes all day May 03 15:16:04 when I could just mark them all once and "install all" in synaptic. May 03 15:16:24 fysa: blah, should be a simple port May 03 15:16:34 ^^^ May 03 15:16:52 I agree, this is the first time I'm looking.. May 03 15:16:56 I'd be interested to know what version he is compiling from. May 03 15:17:10 * qwerty12 remembers my brief stint with synaptic May 03 15:18:23 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/2.0/free/s/synaptic/synaptic_0.57.11-maemo2_armel.deb May 03 15:18:33 is freetype included by default on NIT? May 03 15:18:34 Thanks May 03 15:18:38 haven't tried it yet May 03 15:18:40 * lcuk is cleansing deps May 03 15:19:13 lcuk, I'm sure it is as there is the wiki page on replacing it with the bytecode interpreter version May 03 15:19:34 hmm? May 03 15:20:27 remember, my brain is very very small that sentence doesnt make sense May 03 15:20:43 No idea but I used that library and my fonts changed so it must have worked :p. You want me to try and mount up a default rootfs to check? May 03 15:21:50 its actually not a problem, i just mark it as required when i make a deb dont i May 03 15:22:01 Yeah May 03 15:22:27 ithat will do - ive just totally removed all the sdl stuff and a few other klingons May 03 15:22:40 it was gone from code, but not from the makefile May 03 15:23:36 * qwerty12 gets back to rott May 03 15:23:55 playing or coding May 03 15:24:33 coding, I need to work on it a bit more. I stopped it from crashing mostly when loading May 03 15:24:41 * RST38h wonders whether he should bless Maemo community with a quick setup of ME4SE under Jalimo May 03 15:24:43 I just need to change the default controls ets May 03 15:25:21 cool May 03 15:25:34 Or maybe MicroEmu... May 03 15:25:38 Or NOT. May 03 15:25:52 I'm using guesswork as I can't program :p May 03 15:26:09 shhhh dont tell my boss but thats what i do May 03 15:26:31 lol. your boss checks mg.pov.lt much? :p May 03 15:26:44 * lcuk could be replaced with a broken puppet and still be as effective May 03 15:27:01 Would this puppet have a brain? ;) May 03 15:27:06 with a reeeeally small PERL script May 03 15:27:19 [and the script would use less resources too] May 03 15:28:04 qwerty12: no, brain is not a prerequisite May 03 15:28:10 at least you wouldnt pick on the shell script :P May 03 15:28:32 Wouldn't I? :p May 03 15:28:58 good point May 03 15:32:00 "German companies developing scented text messages" May 03 15:32:14 Will it make my phone release gas? May 03 15:32:14 [is there any dignity left in this world?] May 03 15:32:21 apparently. May 03 15:32:34 Hmm, sounds like a good prank... May 03 15:36:36 hrm, anyone else has issues with installing e2fsprogs through apt-get? i'm trying to move /home/user to a mmc so :P May 03 15:36:51 just says uninstallable, even though i have rep(..).maemo.org etc in sources.list May 03 15:37:36 i installed that this morning during the course of booting from mmc (still not completed) and the instructions said redpill mode was needed May 03 15:37:47 though i installed them from debs rather than a repo May 03 15:37:53 Stskeeps, add different repo May 03 15:37:58 debfarm has the latest afaik May 03 15:38:00 k May 03 15:38:41 qwerty12: did your tablet survive? May 03 15:38:58 Yeah May 03 15:39:28 Hmm, it seems like rott doesn't like -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp options. May 03 15:39:43 try -O3 then May 03 15:40:12 i had random crashes when using -O2 but it works smoothly on 3... May 03 15:40:21 ymmv though May 03 15:40:27 It runs and it plays but it crashes when it tries to play demo but w/out them it runs fine. May 03 15:40:32 Thanks, I'll try it out :) May 03 15:40:50 * sp3000 rolls eyes May 03 15:41:09 * qwerty12 rolls my eyes back May 03 15:41:30 * briand rolls qwerty12's eyes back and forth May 03 15:41:30 if your quote in a mailing list thread consists in its entirety of "(cut for clarity)", is that perhaps a hint that your question is in fact entirely unrelated to the thread? May 03 15:41:38 * lcuk plays pingpong with one of the eyes May 03 15:42:27 sp3000, the problem you are having is because (cut for clarity). hope that helps May 03 15:42:48 I would understand, if I was subscribed to that mailing thread. May 03 15:42:48 thwap May 03 15:43:20 anyway, i dont think people in the bareback midgets mailing list will appreciate questions about your nokia May 03 15:49:12 lulz May 03 15:52:16 what if it's the always online bareback midgets mailing list? May 03 16:04:04 My N800 is annoying. if my battery is low, it doesn't want to mount over usb. May 03 16:05:47 qwerty12 STRANGE? May 03 16:06:05 Johnx are u there? May 03 16:06:09 has somebody configured pand (server) to n8x0? May 03 16:06:14 yeah May 03 16:06:41 kulve, I dunno, have you seen maemo-pan or is that not what you're looking for? May 03 16:07:13 i had a call from official nokia :D,yeah finland! May 03 16:07:21 I think that's in the wrong direction. I have a device with bluetooth and I want it to connect to Internet through my n810 May 03 16:07:31 they are helping me :D May 03 16:08:31 kulve, ah, should be doable May 03 16:08:58 if you want to do IP masqurading/NAT you might need to add some modules May 03 16:09:11 NAT is something I know how to do May 03 16:09:13 but then you could use dbus-scripts to wait for a wifi connection and then bring up pand May 03 16:09:37 is the pand packaged for it2008? May 03 16:09:57 or does it come with the maemo-pan -packagE? May 03 16:10:07 I really couldn't say May 03 16:10:08 johnx did u heard me? :D May 03 16:10:09 pand is already present on my N800. But I have maemo-pan installed. May 03 16:10:15 yes, Italodance, I heard you May 03 16:10:22 congratulations, I guess? May 03 16:10:31 yes tnx :D May 03 16:10:47 qwerty12: I guess it's the maemo-pan then (as it's not in mine).. May 03 16:12:28 nope, it wasn't.. May 03 16:12:46 qwerty12: could you write "dpkg -S `which pand`"? May 03 16:12:46 qwerty12, could you run dpkg -S pand ? May 03 16:12:54 lol, sure May 03 16:13:04 ahaha, use kulve's line May 03 16:13:07 it's better May 03 16:13:15 shouldn't matter much :) May 03 16:13:35 bluez-utils-test May 03 16:13:48 kulve, yeah, unless he has the "millions-of-panda-pictures_all.deb" installed :) May 03 16:14:22 qwerty12: next: apt-cache policy bluez-utils-test? May 03 16:14:34 that package doesn't seem to be in extras.. May 03 16:15:15 it's in the chinook repository.maemo.org. I found it of gronmayer. May 03 16:16:36 found it, thanks May 03 16:17:45 Np, does anyone else's N800 not mount the mmc's over usb when their battery is low? May 03 16:20:16 never noticed that myself May 03 16:20:41 I only plug into usb when I'm plugged into AC May 03 16:20:54 surprisingly I keep my desktop near some power outlets... May 03 16:21:10 I always assumed it was because of the kernel I was using but this is stock kernel. dmesg says something about usb and power and no further messages, May 03 16:22:43 * RST38h can no longer plug USB: his N810 is in a case May 03 16:22:51 for ****'s sake, I have it connected to charger and it still isn't doing anything. May 03 16:23:05 give it a little time... May 03 16:23:49 Unfortunately, I don't have time and I need it to work because I need to test the rott binary I keep building. May 03 16:25:40 Sorry N800, I take that back. I assume the crappy card reader has failed again on my computer. May 03 16:25:44 (It has a usb port) May 03 16:26:24 yeah, I have the flakiest USB hub known to man. I know the feeling... May 03 16:26:59 my usb port on card reader stopped working over two years ago May 03 16:27:04 i get power overload if i use it May 03 16:27:40 w00t, my rott port doesn't like being compiled with -02 or -03 :) May 03 16:28:47 On my old computer, I'd have to go to the back everytime to plug in something (I had no usb hub) :) May 03 16:29:26 * johnx remembers when USB seemed like it would never become popular May 03 16:29:35 i got two front ones and 4 back so dont need another hub... but the miniusb b cable in the fornt is doing all the work anyways since pretty much all my devices are mini usb b May 03 16:30:04 infact, n800, card reader, and the 6 mp3 players are all mini usb b May 03 16:30:51 so are external hdds, external usb battery (in port), bluetooth receiver, and headsets May 03 16:30:55 Nice, in my computer, I have 2 front ones and 4 in the back too :) (I'd have 3 if the card reader worked lol) May 03 16:30:58 mini usb b should rule the world May 03 16:32:55 Cptnodegard: better if firewire would rule the world May 03 16:34:51 meh May 03 16:35:09 meh, neural nets would pwn May 03 16:35:25 nef May 03 16:35:28 or nfc May 03 16:35:31 or wtf that thing is May 03 16:35:40 you whack stuff with your cell and it works May 03 16:36:27 I'm now running "pand --listen --role NAP --nodetach" on my n810 and "/bin/pand --role PANU --connect 00:1D:6E:9D:36:C4 --service NAP -sdp --persist --nodetach" on the other device, but nothing is happening.. May 03 16:37:42 actually I had "seach" in the place of "connect" earlier.. May 03 16:37:54 what is supposed to happen? May 03 16:38:10 coffemaking code? May 03 16:38:34 johnx: I'm not sure.. :) I hope that I would get e.g. bnep0 net interface or something.. May 03 16:39:05 sorry, all I do with bluetooth is basic headset/headphones stuff :) May 03 16:39:39 my phone automagically works with my n810, so i havent checked anything out deeper than the gui May 03 16:40:00 Same here :) May 03 16:40:04 * Cptnodegard didnt know there was anything below the gui May 03 16:40:07 (/joke) May 03 16:40:24 acydlord: same here. Except I'm doing it now the other way around.. May 03 16:41:04 kulve, do you have a Linux phone? May 03 16:41:08 and it's not a phone, it's gumstix: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/verdex.jpg May 03 16:41:20 ah May 03 16:41:26 400Mhz, 64M ram, 16M flash May 03 16:41:37 ahh May 03 16:41:40 fun! :D May 03 16:42:35 i almost bought one of those when they were rediculously priced May 03 16:42:40 I always think about making a personal access point / server / proxy out of a gumstix w/ some type of celluar data card and a laptop battery May 03 16:42:41 havent priced them since though May 03 16:43:55 prices look pretty reasonable to me, but I still can't justify it right now May 03 16:44:45 i got a few of the rj45 wall plate thin clients for a friends office about a year ago, those are pretty nice May 03 16:46:42 bah, every time i delete all the useless apps of my centro palm desktop throws them right back on May 03 16:57:29 kulve: what was that verdex device? May 03 16:58:03 what what? It's gumstix verdex, i.e. a motherboard with pxa270 May 03 16:59:12 nice ... 100 MHz. Well, enough for a lot of uses. May 03 16:59:19 400Mhz May 03 16:59:25 really? May 03 16:59:27 also 600Mhz is available May 03 16:59:36 Processor : XScale-PXA270 rev 7 (v5l) May 03 16:59:36 BogoMIPS : 415.33 May 03 16:59:48 Ah. so, arm chip. May 03 16:59:54 there is up to 1.2ghz in the PoE ones May 03 17:00:09 yup, same one as in the later zauruses May 03 17:00:53 crap, i think my roomate left his computer seeding torrents May 03 17:00:56 that's a bit old now. Marvell has released some pxa3xx cpus that are more powerful May 03 17:01:26 the embedded world doesn't move that fast... May 03 17:01:35 and the pxa270 has good linux support May 03 17:01:44 Is there any way I can control my linux machines media player with my N810? May 03 17:01:53 which media player? May 03 17:02:19 rhythmbox May 03 17:02:58 hmm, I don't know... May 03 17:03:05 though I can switch if it will make it easier. May 03 17:03:09 if you use mpd, then yes definitely May 03 17:04:40 to control mpd running on a desktop, there is mmpc: http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ May 03 17:04:51 sweet, thank you. May 03 17:06:13 Hmm, anyone willing to give me an opinion? May 03 17:06:22 is it the client that implements playlists or is it the daemon? May 03 17:06:25 I have plenty to spare :) May 03 17:06:35 putterson, the playlists are on the client May 03 17:06:40 errr. May 03 17:06:45 brain failed me May 03 17:06:48 exactly the opposite :) May 03 17:06:54 oh thats good lol May 03 17:07:06 I was scared for a second May 03 17:07:13 about syncing them May 03 17:07:21 um May 03 17:07:23 people May 03 17:07:29 Ok then, What do you think, making it easier to play a game (no need to go into configuration) or breaking a bit of compatibility with a keyboard? May 03 17:07:31 is there a car phone version of the n810? o0 May 03 17:07:56 or May 03 17:07:56 wait May 03 17:07:59 wtf is this thing May 03 17:08:03 http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=123468&view=detailed#ProductTabs May 03 17:08:04 hmm? breaking compatibility with keyboard? what does that mean? May 03 17:08:06 (norwegian) May 03 17:08:33 putterson, playlists are on the server. you can have multiple clients connected and the server goes on playing even with no clients May 03 17:08:47 johnx, I cannot seem to figure out how to change the button settings directly so I'm changing the hard coded SDLK_Space from Space to the F7 button May 03 17:09:15 ah, scary May 03 17:09:32 will it affect anything except your game? May 03 17:09:41 Just the game :) May 03 17:10:00 then write /* this is an ugly hack. FIXME */ and go on with your life :) May 03 17:10:13 Hehe, may as well :D May 03 17:10:25 Thanks for that, I may as well do it. May 03 17:10:50 what could be done to make maemo mapper not use all available memory? May 03 17:11:28 lcdd, does it have a memory leak? is it running out of memory? May 03 17:12:07 ugh, this web host almost makes me want to go to an IIS based system May 03 17:12:23 :O May 03 17:12:30 johnx: just tapping around a map grows the process size and the it never comes down. i'm seeing 75MB with just a few minutes of use May 03 17:13:03 first of all, busybox top tells horrible lies about memory usage of individual apps May 03 17:13:12 what does it say for cached and free though? May 03 17:14:12 well, the problem is the device starts swapping and everything slows down May 03 17:14:32 what is swappiness set to? May 03 17:14:48 Cptnodegard, it is nokia 810 May 03 17:14:50 also, what it says for cached mem in top would help... May 03 17:15:07 johnx: 1 May 03 17:15:22 swappiness of 1 and it's still swapping a lot? May 03 17:15:35 hmm :/ May 03 17:18:47 if you have an n800 there is an app that shows process there are some that suck May 03 17:19:30 the media indexing is one May 03 17:20:11 the newsreader is 2 May 03 17:22:14 id like to know what other garbage i can toss May 03 17:22:27 processes you don't need? May 03 17:22:33 ya May 03 17:22:47 well, clean your statusbar and desktop, for one May 03 17:22:58 k May 03 17:23:25 then hit ITT and see what crazy ideas other people have May 03 17:24:22 k May 03 17:25:33 --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics --- May 03 17:25:33 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss May 03 17:25:33 round-trip min/avg/max = 237.6/238.5/239.5 ms May 03 17:25:41 hot sauce! May 03 17:25:44 got the bnep working :) May 03 17:25:45 cool May 03 17:26:12 with dnsmasq on n810 running as dhcp server. Just uncommented a line two from it's configuration file May 03 17:26:26 pretty cool May 03 17:26:43 so, if you don't mind me asking, what will you use the gumstix for? May 03 17:28:31 I'm not sure yet :) (something remotely controlled.. I have a microcontroller that the gumstix will command. And the microcontroller will e.g. feed PWM to some motors..) May 03 17:35:51 ugh, i was supposed to go to a workup for podcamp today May 03 17:38:56 will diablo include aptitude? May 03 17:39:29 I'll bet dollars to donuts it doesn't (which is pretty reasonable at the current dollars/donuts exchange rate) May 03 17:39:46 +1 May 03 17:39:56 I can get 1.8 donuts per dollar right now May 03 17:40:15 how about the autoremove switch for apt-get? May 03 17:40:41 *speculation only, obviously May 03 17:40:49 a new apt-get is much more likely, but still I'd bet against it May 03 17:41:10 it probably will happen because May 03 17:41:28 I am mentally uncomfortable with leaving unecessary dependencies installed May 03 17:41:31 svn of current application manager needs newer apt May 03 17:41:57 then it's a good thing I didn't bet! May 03 17:42:03 great news May 03 18:13:45 Comparing Dollars and Donuts is evil. Donuts are useful ;) May 03 18:13:57 lol May 03 18:14:49 A CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey released Thursday showed that 71 percent of the public disapproves of how Bush is handling his job -- the highest figure since the question was first asked in the 1930s. May 03 18:15:07 He has officially beaten Nixon! May 03 18:15:44 if only the democrats could run an electable candidate :-P May 03 18:15:51 [of course, there are always negative numbers...] May 03 18:16:51 no way, you should start getting used to McCain, stare at his picture, listen to him talking nonsense, you know... May 03 18:17:15 I strongly suspect that's exactly what people will be getting used to May 03 18:17:23 as unbelievable as it seems May 03 18:19:02 hi there, any suomi-speaker in the house? May 03 18:19:34 (sorry for the off-topic) May 03 18:20:19 Any Finnish ppl around? May 03 18:20:56 http://www.exile.ru/img/articles/christ1.jpg (heheh) May 03 18:22:02 ahh, blind, ignorant partisanship May 03 18:22:07 how refreshing May 03 18:23:23 (about suomi: nevermind, I'll ask tomorrow in the office) May 03 18:24:10 * RST38h is pretty sure these guys can and *will* draw a democratic Jesus along the same lines. They don't care. May 03 18:24:29 can't we all just support bi-partisan raptor-jesus? May 03 18:25:16 I somehow doubt jesus would even support either of these scumbag parties :/ May 03 18:25:24 Is n't "Raptor" some brand of insecticide? May 03 18:25:44 it's also a brand of dinosaur May 03 18:27:36 And a kind of bird. May 03 18:29:13 * RST38h likes the insecticide idea better May 03 18:29:27 bi-partisan insecticide <-- very, very useful thing May 03 18:29:34 * johnx kind of enjoys the randomness of the "raptor-jesus" meme May 03 18:37:45 hehe May 03 18:37:48 hehe did you hear about a leader of a san diego party being the leader of the cracking group fairlight May 03 18:42:25 what party? May 03 18:43:14 http://torrentfreak.com/warez-leader-is-chairman-of-san-diego-republican-party-080502/ May 03 18:44:58 Oh shit May 03 18:45:19 Fairlight are quite big May 03 18:45:29 i should know... May 03 18:45:49 oh no! not warez. fucking hell, the president and president to be are former coke users and someone's kicking up a fuss about this? May 03 18:46:21 On the other hand, who cares about San Diego? When Rupture comes and God will collect the Faithful, nobody in San Diego will notice May 03 18:46:28 o.O May 03 18:46:39 which president-to-be is that? May 03 18:46:44 Who cares about presidents ;) May 03 18:46:45 your statement seems ambiguous to me May 03 18:46:53 yay, new libvorbisidec May 03 18:46:53 elb: All three! May 03 18:47:07 Blafasel, +1 May 03 18:47:40 qwerty12_N800: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080501 ;) May 03 18:48:18 lol May 03 18:48:21 but still no ogg-support 0.7 May 03 18:48:46 qwerty12_N800: there's a newer version of lms-ogg, care to mod it? May 03 18:49:11 RST38h: I think Hillary and Obama are the only contenders who have admitted that May 03 18:49:24 AStorm, I would do but I'm on a tablet :/ May 03 18:49:36 hmm, ah, N800 May 03 18:49:42 no keyboard May 03 18:49:51 No tools :p May 03 18:50:52 vim? May 03 18:51:03 ar? May 03 18:51:27 I think I need dpkg-extract May 03 18:51:55 which package is diff in? May 03 18:52:08 AStorm: what do you know about ogg-support 0.7..? May 03 18:52:46 doesn't exist May 03 18:52:53 AStorm, diff the tool? May 03 18:52:53 and lms-ogg requires it May 03 18:52:59 qwerty12_N800: yup May 03 18:53:12 AStorm: that's going to change in about 20h.. May 03 18:53:19 great May 03 18:53:42 I have it in a test repo, if somebody want's to test it.. May 03 18:53:49 -' May 03 18:53:56 What is newer? May 03 18:53:58 hmm May 03 18:54:05 I'll gamble May 03 18:54:28 it has only a little change: the tremor library now exports some ogg_* symbols that the lms plugin uses May 03 18:54:46 1.2.0-mogg? May 03 18:54:53 plus I've increased the version numbers so that they are now greater compared to libogg and libivorbis in extras May 03 18:54:54 that has just updated May 03 18:55:03 ah :), is the speex still included? May 03 18:55:08 AStorm: it's only in my test repo May 03 18:55:21 qwerty12_N800: speex is unchanged May 03 18:55:21 kulve: I don't have your test repo May 03 18:55:27 only release one May 03 18:55:54 kulve: what are the data to access your test repo? May 03 18:56:08 hmm, no biggie to remove afterwards, I can wait 20h thanks May 03 18:56:09 AStorm: if you have my repo there, then open this in the browser: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/o.install May 03 18:56:33 qwerty12_N800: what do you use speex for? May 03 18:56:50 mhm May 03 18:57:10 i don't use it :), it has problems with voip last time I tried May 03 18:57:10 AStorm: you probably should remove that repo once you have installed the packages as it's not going to be useful in the future May 03 18:57:21 qwerty12_N800: ah, that one,, May 03 18:57:25 no problem May 03 18:57:40 This repo will self destruct in 10... May 03 18:57:53 qwerty12_N800: that would be a nice feature :) May 03 18:58:03 no, in 20 May 03 18:58:05 hours May 03 18:58:25 Cue mission impossible theme :p :) May 03 18:58:51 wait, I have that in Vorbis... May 03 18:58:59 ;) May 03 18:59:33 AStorm: if you have mogg installed too, those will conflict as they both provide the ivorbis gst plugin May 03 18:59:51 no, I don't May 03 19:00:03 only some libvorbis0a-1.2.0 May 03 19:00:14 and ogg-support 0.6 May 03 19:00:23 also hacked lms-ogg May 03 19:02:23 libvorbis0a shouldn't conflict with anything. Expect that e.g. Media Player may use it instead of Tremor, so oggs will play, but take more cpu.. May 03 19:03:21 so I'll remove it to be sure May 03 19:07:18 ok, tring out canola May 03 19:08:03 I have to admit that I don't know anything about it. Etrunko has made the changes to lms and tested it against the ogg-support 0.7 May 03 19:08:30 ƃuıɥʇʎuɐ ƃuıʞɐǝɹq ʇno/ʍ ɯǝlqoɹd sloɹʇuoɔ ʎɯ pǝʌlos ǝʌ,ı ʞuıɥʇ ı May 03 19:08:39 hi May 03 19:09:06 eh? :) May 03 19:09:11 kulve: lms does work May 03 19:09:17 great May 03 19:09:29 I mostly checked if it's any faster than previous libvorbisidec May 03 19:09:54 new libogg seems faster at parsing tags May 03 19:10:04 qwerty, get down from the roof May 03 19:10:07 it should be pretty much the same libivorbisdec. Newer SVN trunk, but there was only compile issues fixed. May 03 19:10:13 mot much though, a second or two May 03 19:10:17 inz, help! May 03 19:10:39 kulve: I'm talking vs 1.1.x May 03 19:10:40 I'm not sure what gcc options I used for 0.6 but at least now there arm ARMv6 and vfp selected May 03 19:10:50 mhm May 03 19:11:12 it indeed seems to stutter slightly less May 03 19:11:43 still stutters sometimes though :P May 03 19:12:38 ~curse nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume May 03 19:12:39 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, nokia volume control, which adds bass at low volume ! May 03 19:12:49 weak May 03 19:13:25 AStorm, you should get some sennheisers, they add bass at all volume levels May 03 19:13:33 I have these May 03 19:13:42 thought it was them, but was wrong May 03 19:14:05 nokia thinks it can do psychoacoustic volume control May 03 19:14:10 and fails miserably May 03 19:14:28 because these are very sensitive May 03 19:14:34 Senns don't necessarily "add" bass, they simply reproduce them more faithfully May 03 19:15:32 sound at 50% hardware vol 50% sw vol is much more bassy May 03 19:15:46 than one at 100% hw vol and 10% sw vol May 03 19:15:55 (canola volume control) May 03 19:16:13 so, it's standard psychoacoustic volume fail May 03 19:16:27 interesting. something in the mixer SW is affecting the response May 03 19:16:40 i don't think so May 03 19:16:49 ol_schoola: some senns do :) May 03 19:16:55 i'll need to look at canola more, haven't been messing with the 800 for some time May 03 19:16:57 I'll have comparison when I get some linux other than maemo in May 03 19:17:17 kulve: yep, but these CX400 are fairly ok May 03 19:17:24 bassy, but not as much May 03 19:17:36 tested w/ my good ole cd player May 03 19:17:44 AStorm: mine is some bass version. Nice for games and movies, but terrible for music.. May 03 19:17:50 hehe May 03 19:18:06 kulve: true, my gaming/skype headset has the souncard-on-usb dongle it it surely boosts the response in the low and high end May 03 19:18:15 nokia makes my Beyers DT230 sound bassier too May 03 19:18:24 and these are fairly thin May 03 19:18:46 idk if it's some alsa/esd/gst mod May 03 19:18:50 or hardware May 03 19:18:57 I suspect the latter May 03 19:18:57 wait one, i'll try my hd 280 pro (soundboard headset) on my n95, that'll be interesting May 03 19:19:19 and would love to know how to bypass that bass "compensation" May 03 19:20:53 this ruins sound on my HD497 too May 03 19:21:00 although not as badly May 03 19:21:21 because I have to turn volume up some due to lower sensitivity May 03 19:21:50 with cx400, software volume is almost at minimum to sound properly May 03 19:22:04 (same balance as my hda-intel) May 03 19:23:49 ok, the bass addition is logarithmic, both vs volume and in frequency May 03 19:24:21 wait, I'll measure it May 03 19:24:46 * AStorm dusts off his windoze machine with adobe audition May 03 19:26:52 i hear it now, Senn 280p using Canola. the 64ohm load these present works very well with 800, not so well on n95 May 03 19:27:10 that's current issue :P May 03 19:27:49 but then, this bass boost sounds very much like in those old amps May 03 19:27:49 my senn m200s work nicely on my n810 May 03 19:27:57 you need high eff. phones May 03 19:28:00 my mythv frontends route through alsa and alsa doesn't touch it, just passes it on, analog or digital May 03 19:28:03 with good bass response May 03 19:28:20 ol_schoola: so it's esd May 03 19:28:35 * AStorm will mod gst to use alsasink May 03 19:31:06 ok, tghere's no key May 03 19:31:16 You could take quick way out and make canola use mplayer and set ao to alsa May 03 19:31:21 I need full path for the setting (gconf editor) May 03 19:31:35 qwerty12_N800: hmm, good way to test, thx May 03 19:31:47 but I still need to change gst settings May 03 19:32:35 qwerty12_N800: how do I make canola use mplayer for playback? May 03 19:33:06 vi .atabake/config and May 03 19:33:39 audio = oms to audio = mplayer May 03 19:34:04 fail May 03 19:34:27 alsa_dsp_transfer(): Requested too much data transfer (playing only 2048) May 03 19:34:40 :( May 03 19:34:46 edit /etc/asound.conf May 03 19:34:47 :) May 03 19:35:16 i have managed to fix it that way May 03 19:35:33 AStorm: Senn pc156 without the USB dongle are perfect for the n95, 0 -100% vol with no distortion, typical 95 hiss May 03 19:35:35 mplayer uses sdl May 03 19:35:48 You can change that May 03 19:35:50 astorm: it's alsa May 03 19:35:55 ol_schoola: prob. matched impendance May 03 19:35:55 asound.conf is alsa config May 03 19:36:00 KotCzarny: checking May 03 19:36:03 AStorm: same setup with the n800 and the low end get's ornery at 70% vol May 03 19:36:10 KotCzarny, not by default May 03 19:36:15 using Norah Jones material, well known to my ears May 03 19:36:20 KotCzarny: no such file May 03 19:36:22 qwerty: alsa_dsp_transfer May 03 19:36:24 definitely alsa May 03 19:36:25 :) May 03 19:36:42 definitely bad mplayer or driver May 03 19:36:54 but ao=sdl,gst :) May 03 19:37:09 in .mplayer/config May 03 19:37:10 qwerty: heh, so alsa_dsp_transfer has nothing with alsa? May 03 19:37:12 that's new one May 03 19:37:13 :) May 03 19:37:21 ahhh, i c May 03 19:38:15 :), maybe sdl uses alsa :/ May 03 19:38:46 no May 03 19:38:48 astorm: http://pastebin.com/f2e3288fd May 03 19:38:54 I forced alsa May 03 19:38:54 that's my config May 03 19:39:05 now I set sdl_audiodriver to alsa May 03 19:39:16 KotCzarny: testing May 03 19:39:23 thx KotCzarny May 03 19:39:58 mplayer works with alsa fine over a2dp May 03 19:40:07 kinda... May 03 19:41:15 has anyone been using the motorola stero blurtooth set? May 03 19:41:17 KotCzarny: fail May 03 19:41:22 0 sound here May 03 19:41:27 stereo bluetooth May 03 19:41:27 :) May 03 19:41:28 I can't kill esd btw May 03 19:41:36 stopit with rc script May 03 19:41:41 yep May 03 19:42:11 or killall for sum dsmetool lovin May 03 19:44:20 KotCzarny: triple whammy May 03 19:44:23 Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-runtime.c: 77: _dl_fixup: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 22' failed! May 03 19:44:27 :P May 03 19:44:34 mplayer .27 May 03 19:44:52 vdso! :p rubbish j/k May 03 19:46:04 now esd got rfestarted by ui May 03 19:46:09 suck May 03 19:46:18 I need asym May 03 19:50:51 I think it would be interesting if ppl managed to compile working, newer versions of the stock, base software (esd, matchbox, gstreamer, bluez etc) May 03 19:51:14 compilation is not a problem May 03 19:51:20 keeping it stable is May 03 19:51:21 :) May 03 19:51:29 upgrade the toolchain perhaps ? May 03 19:52:12 i'd accept losing stabilty for newer components :) May 03 19:52:23 no, you won't May 03 19:52:24 :) May 03 19:52:57 believe me, my n800 already feels like that ;) :p May 03 19:55:38 how do I get rid of that esd, w/o disabling system sounds? May 03 19:57:51 hmm May 03 19:58:04 crash w/ pcm1 and pcm_rec1 May 03 19:58:18 device busy with pcm0/pcm_rec May 03 19:58:36 try 2 and 3 too May 03 19:58:58 no May 03 19:59:04 esd is still starting May 03 19:59:12 even wo system sounds May 03 19:59:29 and after I removed it with update-rc.d May 03 19:59:36 maybe autodetection in mplayer starts it May 03 19:59:36 reboot is warranted May 03 19:59:43 nah, it's ui May 03 19:59:58 brb, reboot May 03 20:14:35 Is /etc/osso-af-init/maemo-af-desktop.sh a standard script? I don't seem to have it. May 03 20:25:17 sudo apt-get install kids-in-bed May 03 20:25:29 well May 03 20:25:45 alsa is sloow with plug inbetween May 03 20:26:20 apt-get: can't install kids-in-bed because of conflict: tv-set and internet is installed May 03 20:26:55 I mean, through that pcm2 May 03 20:27:00 its actually complaining about warm weather May 03 20:27:14 ive tried all sorts of bribes and we have just got back in after playing football May 03 20:27:14 sudo make me breakfast May 03 20:28:06 KotCzarny: is it playing well for you? May 03 20:28:58 astorm: let me check, i know i was playing with it before it started working May 03 20:29:23 lcuk: cold shower? May 03 20:29:24 :) May 03 20:30:50 ok, audio is mixed in sw May 03 20:30:51 alsa-init: buffer_time: 0, period_time :0 May 03 20:30:51 AO: [alsa] 44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample) May 03 20:30:55 working all right May 03 20:30:56 which is too slow May 03 20:31:03 hmm May 03 20:31:32 try: renice 0 `pidof Xomap` May 03 20:31:54 I have that May 03 20:32:06 it is sound which is eating cpu like mad May 03 20:32:12 with pcm2 and 3 May 03 20:32:20 with pcm1 I get device busy May 03 20:32:21 try 0 or 1 ? May 03 20:33:32 load on my nokia is ~0.4-0.5 playing mp3 May 03 20:33:34 device busy May 03 20:33:50 maybe it's some mipid_esd in the bg May 03 20:33:53 so it's more of novelty than usable output May 03 20:34:00 reboot once again (moved esd out) May 03 20:34:04 ahha May 03 20:34:05 Nokia-N800-51-3:~# ps ax|grep esd May 03 20:34:05 118 root SW< [mipid_esd] May 03 20:34:10 hmmm May 03 20:34:22 maybe just cpu load is too high May 03 20:34:31 may be May 03 20:34:36 cpu is at 400mhz May 03 20:35:42 |> Playing Wilki i Robert Gawlinski - Nie stalo sie nic - Robert Gawlin.mp3. May 03 20:36:46 heh May 03 20:36:57 suck then May 03 20:37:12 we need non-esd optimized sound mixing May 03 20:37:28 esd is cheating somehow May 03 20:37:42 esd sucks cpu May 03 20:37:57 esd should run on desktops May 03 20:38:24 it does? :/ May 03 20:38:25 it runs here May 03 20:38:33 and somehow it doesn't suck cpu May 03 20:38:36 while alsa does May 03 20:38:37 a small jackd would be nice May 03 20:38:46 still, why is the device busy? May 03 20:38:55 (pcm0 and 1) May 03 20:39:10 nothing should be using it May 03 20:39:26 and apparently does May 03 20:39:28 :) May 03 20:39:31 one more reboot? May 03 20:39:46 fuser ? May 03 20:40:10 multimediad May 03 20:40:12 grrr May 03 20:40:18 :> May 03 20:40:48 * briand will be back in a few... I'm headed out to look at the CaseLogic case for my n800 & iGo.. and add some asbestos to my InternetSurfingSuit. ;) May 03 20:44:25 how do I kill a dsp task? May 03 20:44:31 that mipid_esd May 03 20:46:20 don't May 03 20:46:24 ok May 03 20:46:25 :) May 03 20:46:37 pcm1 and pcm0 aren't set in dsp config May 03 20:46:44 only pcm2 is May 03 20:47:19 can't send directly to the deviice, btw May 03 20:47:24 with standard hw May 03 20:48:24 I get "invalid ioctl" May 03 20:49:45 probably a kernel issue May 03 20:49:57 (e.g. missing alsa driver :P) May 03 20:50:55 btw, what is this aep dsp task? May 03 20:51:07 other are sound fmt decoders May 03 20:51:17 aep? May 03 20:52:01 yup May 03 20:52:26 might be a corruption of eap? May 03 20:52:35 never noticed that one May 03 20:52:37 I'll stop that dsp tasklet May 03 20:54:02 hmm, can't May 03 20:54:11 restart is disabled May 03 20:55:37 I'll comment that module out and see May 03 20:56:21 Can anyone tell me anything about maemo-af-desktop? I've been looking at alternate window managers to see how others are setting them up, and one step seems to stop maemo-af-desktop, but I don't have that file.. May 03 20:58:14 Grackle, do you have at least 2gb mmc? if so, look into kde. May 03 20:58:36 I have a 1GB mmc. I don't want KDE, though. May 03 20:59:26 i have a 1gb micro sd - its got a micro to mini converter thing. if i now go out and pick up an 8gb micro card will the converter i have now work for the larger capacity model? May 03 20:59:38 yeah May 03 20:59:45 The cards are the same electrically May 03 20:59:52 cool :D so i am over my hump and my n810 is micro compatible May 03 21:00:13 ive been having trouble locally finding *any* mini cards May 03 21:00:25 what are the better 8 gb cards? May 03 21:00:33 The micro to mini converter only extends the back end of the card to make it physically longer, actually May 03 21:00:38 the ones with a high class rating May 03 21:00:42 Damn.. Battlestar Galactica is really great. May 03 21:00:55 whee Blafasel, yes it is May 03 21:00:56 shhhhhhh Blafasel i havent seen this last extended bit May 03 21:02:32 lcuk: Hm? I'm watching the second season right now. Probably nothing new for you ;) May 03 21:02:40 well thats ok then May 03 21:03:08 The third isn't even available here, yet. I've to admit that I watch the dubbed/localized version so far. May 03 21:03:19 did you know the cylons are ..... May 03 21:03:22 ... robots May 03 21:03:26 Maybe I'll switch to english afterwards. May 03 21:03:30 lcuk: No shit! ;) May 03 21:03:52 well they do, but its castrol gtx May 03 21:09:49 if i tried using sudo when im already logged in as root it gives a strange message May 03 21:09:53 "root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." May 03 21:09:58 haha May 03 21:10:00 who will it be reported to? May 03 21:10:18 linux police May 03 21:10:27 oh crap! May 03 21:10:37 Deb & Ian are going to come and smack you May 03 21:10:42 sentenced to lifetime of windows 95 :p May 03 21:11:13 Tux will beat u up 1st May 03 21:11:14 with a handbook from win 2.x May 03 21:11:24 win95 aint that bad :) runs efficiently on lots of hardware, has great compatability - i thought it was meant to be a punishment May 03 21:11:37 great compatibility? May 03 21:11:40 usb excluded May 03 21:11:41 ;) May 03 21:11:45 yer i can run msdos programs May 03 21:11:50 aint bad? May 03 21:11:51 Yeeha! May 03 21:11:53 or win 3.1 ones May 03 21:11:57 or win95 ones May 03 21:12:02 It is extremely compatible with itself. May 03 21:12:07 any good win3.1 or dos programs? May 03 21:12:18 GTA original May 03 21:12:24 never heard of May 03 21:12:26 :) May 03 21:12:32 gta 1 works in xp May 03 21:12:52 ;) I'm curious about GTA IV May 03 21:13:05 I have wild metal country on cd somewhere May 03 21:13:07 not very well - if i remember rightly, it has to be put in compatability mode for : win 95 May 03 21:13:26 half life original will run nicely on '95 May 03 21:13:49 95 v ME? hmm... May 03 21:13:59 no-one here will convince me that w95 is bad :) May 03 21:14:15 :) May 03 21:14:17 o.0 May 03 21:14:28 yeah, it even ran on 8mb machines May 03 21:14:29 ;) May 03 21:14:42 386 required i believe May 03 21:14:50 hmm May 03 21:14:53 re May 03 21:14:56 that i'm not sure May 03 21:15:17 you oculdnt do it on 286 because of some hardare memory instruction i think May 03 21:15:27 System requirements for installing Windows 95: May 03 21:15:30 Personal computer with a 386DX or higher processor (486 recommended) May 03 21:15:33 4 megabytes (MB) of memory (8 MB recommended) May 03 21:15:38 whooo hoo May 03 21:15:40 I don't mind w98 se, I have quite a few mods for it in cd May 03 21:16:31 http://winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm winxp runs on 8mhz with 20mb ram ;) May 03 21:16:45 more like 'crawls May 03 21:16:46 :) May 03 21:17:15 jott i was sure i read something about even less, and it taking something like 18 hours to fully boot May 03 21:17:19 meh, I'd sooner run linux if I had machine like that May 03 21:18:46 it might have been this report here May 03 21:18:54 * lcuk thinks it looks familiar May 03 21:19:25 you would be best running the OS you got with the machine of that speed May 03 21:19:40 i think it would be just as difficult to get linux running smoothly on something that restricted May 03 21:20:11 lcuk: wrong. linux with full desktop maybe. May 03 21:20:52 mplayer with vidix etc is nice, I could live using console. May 03 21:21:29 yer - ive seen console linux distros setup on floppies, but ive not seen full gui in floppy disk sized space (ie amiga workbench beating) May 03 21:22:09 looking at amiga gui, i'd prefer console... :p May 03 21:22:53 amiga had both :) i, for one, prefered an interactive gui May 03 21:26:29 heh, xp on 8mhz cpu May 03 21:26:37 pervs May 03 21:26:43 lol May 03 21:26:54 The boottime of this system is extremly long, 30 minutes! After 13 minutes you can see the first icons, but there are 17 minutes more, where you can do nothing, before you can start "working". May 03 21:26:55 ;) May 03 21:27:14 I get called perv lol May 03 21:27:58 \http://winhistory.de/more/386/drhardware.gif May 03 21:28:00 hehehe May 03 21:29:42 I rate that winhistory page because it has computer porn. May 03 21:38:12 are there any applications that would let me write (literally) a bunch of text then let the OCR software parse my handwriting? May 03 21:38:42 Working for an OCR company I somehow still think that this is a baaaad idea ;) May 03 21:38:51 you can enable handwriting recognition directly May 03 21:38:51 yes, Abby ;> May 03 21:39:19 handwriting rec is so buggy you might as well try smoke signals May 03 21:39:27 Abby? The engine? May 03 21:40:10 its worth at least TRYING it, some people have already trained their computer handwriting to be recognisable May 03 21:40:54 I had decent luck with it May 03 21:41:00 it wasn't great, but it was OK May 03 21:41:31 Hmm.. We sell Abby (among others) and it is _very_ expensive. Is there a way to use it for free/personal? May 03 21:42:45 I've gotten the builtin OCR engine to a 75-85% sucess rate May 03 21:43:29 'E' is still a problem, for me. F is just fine :) May 03 21:43:46 l and t got mixed up for me with no way to work around it May 03 21:44:37 heh. l and 1 get mixed up for me. I sometimes don't cross my t fully, so it just becomes a space. Nothing much, just bksp & t, correctly May 03 21:45:34 for me i basically never cross t's - i go back over the document afterwards filling in - and even when i completely disabled all variations of l and tried to train t it told me it was too similar to l May 03 21:46:06 i am willing to write my l completely differently to a t.. i do anyway. May 03 21:46:10 also, how do I get mmpc installed? It needs libglade2, but I haven't found it anywhere in the repos. I took the red pill already May 03 21:46:26 no luck yet :/ May 03 21:46:31 I think it's in extras-devel May 03 21:46:50 glade the gui designer? May 03 21:47:53 lcuk: yes May 03 21:48:02 qwerty12_N800: how do I enable? :) May 03 21:48:28 ive seen khertan with glade - he never released it, but made a mistake and posted a screenshot under one of his other projects May 03 21:49:00 if you can't find it anywhere might be an idea to try and see how far he went May 03 21:49:20 Go to www.gronmayer.com/it and do a search with the browser for testing maemo extras and click the install button. May 03 21:50:44 ok May 03 21:50:45 lcuk, He doesn't want the program, just the library from I can tell, personal menu and mmpc use it :) May 03 21:50:59 I'm now running pure alsa 2/o drawbacks May 03 21:51:04 it's an mplayer bug May 03 21:51:26 multimediad has no problem w/o esd May 03 21:51:44 even uses slightly less cpu May 03 21:52:04 btw, canola now uses mplayer for default ogg playback May 03 21:52:40 Check to see if any alsa bugs were fixed in mplayer rc2 (serge's builds use rc1) May 03 21:52:45 i'm fairly sure either aep dsp May 03 21:52:59 or esd introduce bass change May 03 21:53:03 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/libg/libglade2/ May 03 21:54:05 or... May 03 21:54:14 it's due to clipping May 03 21:54:22 yep, just got it on clean config May 03 21:54:35 with a loud piece May 03 21:54:59 if volume (canola or esd) is high, clipping adds bass with these phones May 03 21:55:06 I lose :P May 03 21:55:24 esd probably makes clipping more likely (as it is crud) May 03 21:56:53 ok, now I need dmix with dsp accel :P May 03 21:57:00 and dsnoop too May 03 21:57:15 qwerty12_N800: thanks a lot. Question: Are you really chatting on IRC on your n800? :) May 03 21:57:48 evaryont_: I am on N810 now May 03 21:58:27 ok, I need real alsa-utils May 03 21:58:33 for testing May 03 21:59:50 KotCzarny: care to build alsa-utils for me? May 03 22:00:03 lol May 03 22:00:14 hmm? May 03 22:00:31 sure May 03 22:00:35 I still need to check what this "aep" dsp task is May 03 22:00:40 if it builds without further tweaking May 03 22:00:56 Audio Enhancement Process or wtf? May 03 22:01:19 * shackan votes for wtf May 03 22:01:22 who has a dsp decompiler? May 03 22:01:36 uhm, disassembler May 03 22:01:37 TI, most probably May 03 22:01:43 damn May 03 22:01:51 NDAized I guess May 03 22:02:12 Nokia could answer what the thing is May 03 22:02:25 it's 100% not related to wifi May 03 22:02:34 maybe camera? May 03 22:04:17 how can i get specific version from debian repo? May 03 22:07:50 KotCzarny: apt-get install package=version May 03 22:08:05 will it work for sources too? May 03 22:08:16 i think so. May 03 22:09:32 the aep is not related to camera May 03 22:09:39 dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture armel does not appear in package's list May 03 22:09:41 wtf. May 03 22:09:59 you could always do "dget -x http://foo/package.dsc" May 03 22:10:18 jott: that's a nice hint, thank you :) May 03 22:11:17 right now i've been downloading all three files by hand May 03 22:14:43 astorm: built May 03 22:14:48 it's in usual dir May 03 22:15:49 ok May 03 22:15:53 hmm May 03 22:16:42 kulve: uhoh May 03 22:17:07 I'm getting massive clipping with libvorbisidec May 03 22:17:16 hmm May 03 22:17:21 on some tracks May 03 22:17:31 maybe it's replaygain? May 03 22:18:47 not on other tracks though May 03 22:18:54 even as loud or louder May 03 22:21:06 hmm May 03 22:21:13 can't reproduce anymore May 03 22:21:25 poor astorm.. May 03 22:21:26 :> May 03 22:21:51 ok, now got it on another track May 03 22:21:59 this might be canola bug May 03 22:22:33 or multimediad May 03 22:23:11 vs vorbis May 03 22:23:24 I'll see if it happens on mp3 too May 03 22:32:44 has anyone had fun with PocketSphinx and configuring it? May 03 22:33:41 hmm, doesn't happen on mp3 May 03 22:33:56 having problem finding an application I used on a 770, was a paint program on a huge canvas where you zoomed in and out to draw with better details.. don't know how to describe it, was made by some gimp guys if memory serves. May 03 22:34:32 Fatal: OS2008's Sketch seems to fit that description May 03 22:34:34 huh? May 03 22:34:37 yep May 03 22:34:47 sounds like Sketch May 03 22:34:59 I'd like that resizing canvas in maemoopad May 03 22:35:09 s/oo/o/ May 03 22:35:09 AStorm meant: I'd like that resizing canvas in maemopad May 03 22:35:15 maemopad? May 03 22:35:23 lol infobot ^^ May 03 22:35:32 ya, the uber-note proggie May 03 22:35:57 yes, found it, horizon <3 May 03 22:36:01 gr, extras-devel doesn't have libglade2 available through Application Manager May 03 22:36:02 maemopad+ actually May 03 22:36:20 AStorm: syncing possible? May 03 22:36:34 not sure May 03 22:36:44 it stores data in small sqlite dbs May 03 22:37:00 oo May 03 22:37:05 s/o/oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo/ May 03 22:37:05 KotCzarny meant: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo May 03 22:37:14 hmm May 03 22:37:16 s/o/oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo/g May 03 22:37:34 hm. not the best, but I can make that sync with Skittit :) May 03 22:37:45 o.o May 03 22:38:02 hmm May 03 22:38:17 s/hmm/Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: May 03 22:38:23 meh May 03 22:38:25 :p May 03 22:38:29 fail? :P May 03 22:38:36 ~epic May 03 22:38:37 well, epic is an opensource Perl IDE for the Eclipse platform. May 03 22:38:39 ^^ May 03 22:38:41 unterminated command May 03 22:38:45 ~fail May 03 22:38:46 extra, extra, read all about it, fail is Sorry, $1, you have failed. May 03 22:38:52 epic is an ircii clone :P May 03 22:38:59 ~fail infobot May 03 22:39:00 infobot, you Fail! May 03 22:39:04 damn, seems horizon hasn't had any development since 770 :/ oh well :D source is still there \o/ May 03 22:39:08 sure yeah May 03 22:39:32 Cptnodegard: forgot the ending / ;) May 03 22:39:40 s/\/fail/ May 03 22:39:44 someone should make a irc scipt counting the words 770, n800 and n810 and see which one is spoken most May 03 22:39:45 oops May 03 22:39:47 fail May 03 22:39:48 ;) May 03 22:39:50 lol May 03 22:40:00 oic May 03 22:40:13 s/oic/Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant:/ May 03 22:40:13 Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: Cptnodegard meant: May 03 22:40:14 Cptnodegard: that would be interesting. What channels should I monitor with that script? ;) May 03 22:40:16 I prefer SU-18 May 03 22:40:22 * Cptnodegard is happy May 03 22:40:40 there are more channels than this? and canola.... May 03 22:40:45 * Cptnodegard whois'es people May 03 22:41:23 lol May 03 22:42:35 how do I become root on n800/OS2008? May 03 22:42:36 stupid cpu sched, rarely locks the key that is currently pressed May 03 22:42:48 known issue of <2.6.23 May 03 22:45:02 i wanna apt-get May 03 22:45:07 evaryont_: sudo gainroot May 03 22:45:11 yes May 03 22:45:20 that will work in r&d mode May 03 22:45:22 BabelO: any pkg needed beforehand? May 03 22:45:28 or after haxx May 03 22:45:52 yay, it works May 03 22:45:58 BabelO: thanks a lot :) May 03 22:46:17 AStorm: r&d == "red pill mode"? May 03 22:46:36 no May 03 22:46:50 the mode enabled with linux flasher util May 03 22:47:00 it's just a bit in some flash May 03 22:47:12 default gainroot checks for it May 03 22:47:46 it also sports a nicer bootup logo :P May 03 22:47:55 (and optionally serial console) May 03 22:50:09 lol. Easy for moderate linux power user to use? Safe? Is it even useful? May 03 22:50:57 AStorm: how do you hookup the serial console ? May 03 22:51:37 AStorm: have to open the device to get to the header or there's a "trick" > May 03 22:51:38 ? May 03 22:51:47 whats the simplest way to get a reminder flashing up at me on the 810, is there an "at" type command which i can say "in 15m say 'bath ready'" or similar? May 03 22:51:57 and i dont mean the built in alarm May 03 22:52:09 its not quick to configure, its not touch friendly May 03 22:53:07 actually it is good enough.. May 03 22:53:13 * lcuk blushes and runs away May 03 22:53:33 benh: the pins are inside the device May 03 22:53:49 lcuk: there's alarmd May 03 22:53:57 and that clock proggy May 03 22:54:05 AStorm: ok, thx.. looks like I won't do that for now then May 03 22:54:08 also, gpe-calendsr has reminders May 03 22:54:16 kernel hackers always look for serial ports :-) May 03 22:54:25 benh: :) May 03 22:54:26 AStorm: is the serial cosole accessible without opening the device? :) May 03 22:54:40 evaryont_: yes, by removing the battery May 03 22:54:56 AStorm: ah, that changes the picture then May 03 22:55:05 you'd need to build a connector to the battery and serial port May 03 22:55:16 AStorm: there's an adapter one can order somewhere or it's do-it-yourself ? May 03 22:55:32 AStorm: ah. I was wondering how you'd use both. Need power for the serial, obviously.. May 03 22:55:35 bah, if I toy with the kernel, I can do so with the power plugged May 03 22:55:37 you could do it with a cable and have the battery itself keeping it in place May 03 22:56:44 it's the 7 metallic 'dots' under the battery ? May 03 22:57:16 how do I get my n800's LAN IP? How do I make sure it's in the same subnet as my desktop computers? May 03 22:57:29 an adapter for that without soldering looks like a pain in the neck... get to fit the slot perfectly to reach the contacts in the right spot May 03 22:57:29 benh: yes May 03 22:57:48 Any opinion on that "myhava" advertisement on itt? May 03 22:57:49 oh well, we'll see if I ever toy with the kernel May 03 22:57:50 no, an adapter is fairly simple May 03 22:57:58 maybe some phone adaptor will fit? May 03 22:58:12 AStorm: is there a wiki or something ? May 03 22:58:16 or they have changed the design again? May 03 22:58:19 benh: dunno May 03 22:58:28 I bought this to use it primarily :-) but I might not resist the temptation of hacking it to bits :-) May 03 22:58:31 I'd actually use a tape with dots May 03 22:58:52 tape that to the board correctly May 03 22:58:57 ifconfig nor iwconfig are installed... May 03 22:59:06 really only need 3 wires May 03 22:59:08 and solder the port on another port May 03 22:59:17 evaryont_: they are May 03 22:59:20 gain root May 03 23:00:04 or try /sbin/ifconfig May 03 23:00:16 benh: 2 May 03 23:00:20 rx and tx May 03 23:00:52 but then, hey put a full serial port in, why waste it? May 03 23:01:07 make a correct "tape" connector May 03 23:01:29 a'la BGA May 03 23:01:44 tape that in and even the battery will fit May 03 23:02:04 AStorm: I would take the ground too no ? May 03 23:02:14 who cares May 03 23:02:19 it's serial :P May 03 23:02:31 AStorm: yeah well, it's +/- relative to ... ground :-) May 03 23:02:37 serial killer May 03 23:02:38 ;) May 03 23:02:49 AStorm: if it's left floating it won't go far May 03 23:02:53 benh: actually, 5V May 03 23:03:01 AStorm: it's a TTL serial ? May 03 23:03:05 ground is close to 0 May 03 23:03:05 AStorm: I need a max232 ? May 03 23:03:10 wtf? May 03 23:03:17 it's normal RS232 May 03 23:03:18 serial is -12/+12 relative to 0 May 03 23:03:29 lemme check May 03 23:03:35 might be so May 03 23:04:02 well, rs232 at least is :-) May 03 23:04:12 I'll check once my shiny new tools arrive May 03 23:04:21 though in practice it looks more like -6/+7 :-) May 03 23:04:32 it's 12V diff May 03 23:04:43 (at least theoretically) May 03 23:04:50 well, I can tell you for sure about rs232, though it's common for embedded devices not to bother with the voltage conversion May 03 23:04:59 and give you TTL (ie. 0...5, or more commonly 0..3) May 03 23:05:08 ugh, i still havent slept May 03 23:05:13 just watched 3 movies in a row May 03 23:05:32 acydlord: drink some, you'll fall asleep in no time May 03 23:05:54 unfortunately i'm out of anything stout enough to put me down May 03 23:05:57 and im between jobs May 03 23:06:03 anyway, I'll start getting the SDK installed, reading on it, and having a look at luserspace :-) May 03 23:06:17 I haven't coded anything in userland for ages, might give me a break from kernel May 03 23:09:44 i'm hoping that brightkite comes out with a good api May 03 23:09:53 cause i wanna add it to my location aware crap May 03 23:13:57 hrm... the wlan driver is binary blob ? interesting May 03 23:15:33 btw, while there... any suggestion on a not-too-bad bluetooth kbd that allow reasonable touch-typing ? May 03 23:19:53 frogpad May 03 23:20:28 has a bit of a learning curve, but it's bomb for one handed typing May 03 23:28:57 acydlord you like it? May 03 23:29:12 too bad they are so damn exspensive May 03 23:29:19 expensive May 03 23:29:21 i liked the one i borrowed for awhile May 03 23:29:22 yeah May 03 23:29:45 $150 for a bluetooth one? no thanks May 03 23:29:57 especialy something that I might not like May 03 23:35:08 blah chorded keyboard May 03 23:38:24 i want to get a typematrix May 03 23:46:52 nah, something classic & 2 handed for me :-) May 03 23:47:03 heh, I have one of those laser projected ones, it's fun 5mn to show off May 03 23:47:06 but not really useable May 04 00:15:39 hm, is openssh on n800/OS2008 a bad choice? I found a bunch of forum posts that I should use bear-something instead of openssh as a ssh server May 04 00:16:12 (dropbear) May 04 00:16:22 Fatal: lol right, thanks :) May 04 00:16:22 * KotCzarny drops bear on fatal May 04 00:16:59 * Proteous does a barrel roll May 04 00:17:43 no idea about what'd be the best choice, I'm currently using openssh on my n810 May 04 00:18:17 the only advantage of using dropbear is lower memory footprint May 04 00:18:32 but it's not that much May 04 00:18:37 KotCzarny: eh. OpenSSH on my desktops is really low anyways. May 04 00:18:46 #maemo> but it's not that much May 04 00:18:47 Fatal: you don't notice it? May 04 00:18:58 KotCzarny: just saw that after I hit enter :) May 04 00:19:02 :) May 04 00:20:38 * evaryont_ goes ahead and installs OpenSSH, which is awesome^awesome May 04 00:21:51 hi May 04 00:22:14 why is /sbin not added to $PATH as a normal user? >:/ May 04 00:22:28 because it's not meant for user's use May 04 00:22:29 it's not for a normal user May 04 00:23:24 eh, I'm not a normal person? lol I don't see why utils such as ifconfig would be put there though, they are really useful for debugging May 04 00:23:44 a normal user doesnt debug things May 04 00:23:48 to actually do anything you would need root anyway May 04 00:23:57 eh, true :/ May 04 00:23:58 and root has /sbin in path May 04 00:24:11 that choice has always baffled me, but /sbin/ifconfig works fine as user :) May 04 00:24:25 KotCzarny: yes May 04 00:24:26 define 'works' May 04 00:24:57 Fatal: same here. ifconfig is useful. Oh well :) May 04 00:59:41 johnx: you seen http://mojo.handhelds.org/ ? May 04 01:01:09 http://mojo.handhelds.org/frisky May 04 01:03:52 where can I buy a cheap used n800? May 04 01:04:02 craigslist May 04 01:04:14 $219 new on Tiger Direct. May 04 01:06:24 the same price in amazon May 04 01:06:43 but I wish I could buy it cheaper... my resources are pretty low right now May 04 01:07:22 and I also wish to buy a bluetooth gps May 04 01:07:30 to use it with May 04 01:10:44 I saw a $150 on Craigslist in St. Louis. May 04 01:10:55 http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/637162975.html May 04 01:15:51 what's the name of the app that allows a person to take a snapshot from the n800's camera? May 04 01:20:16 I think it's called "Camera" on mine. May 04 01:21:08 (I don't have it handy to look - sorry.) May 04 01:40:13 burgers on the grill, got 'em perfect :D May 04 01:41:43 night May 04 01:48:59 how much does the battery of the N800 lasts in ON state (to read e-books)? May 04 01:49:52 a long time May 04 01:50:06 with wifi and bluetooth off, at least 5 hours of reading, in my experience May 04 01:50:15 long time can be from 1h to 1 year May 04 01:51:59 oh, wait, I don't know about the N800 -- my numbers are for the N810 May 04 01:52:05 hum May 04 01:53:07 5h is bad May 04 01:53:28 maybe I should keep my Palm m100 May 04 01:53:48 at least 5 hours, is what I said, actually May 04 01:53:55 but a Palm almost certainly lasts longer May 04 01:53:56 hum May 04 01:57:19 too bad May 04 02:02:09 Xamusk, yeah...there's not much that runs on batteries as long as a 68k based Palm May 04 02:02:28 fysa, saw it a while ago May 04 02:02:44 I'm not entirely sure why they're doing old distros first though O_o May 04 02:02:53 too bad I'm not having a stable connection May 04 02:28:39 What repo is maemo-games-startup in? I'd like to install indtgames but Application Manager can't find it :/ May 04 02:35:34 don't know May 04 02:41:54 Hi there May 04 02:43:09 I'm facing a problem using N810's mp3sink and amrsink in my own gstreamer media player May 04 02:44:11 i'm using playbing for auto plug in, but the playbin can not find the mp3sink and amrsink correctly May 04 02:44:17 I just have a 770 May 04 02:44:50 i thought it's the same in the dsp related sink ? May 04 02:48:14 evaryont, maemo-games-startup is for OS2007. Are you trying to install an old game? May 04 02:48:54 johnx: I guess? indtgames depends on it, and I'd like to install it, or do I have to install each of their games seperately? May 04 02:49:56 huh...odd. I'm getting the same thing here May 04 02:50:01 sorry, I have no idea O_o May 04 02:50:08 lol May 04 02:50:32 does osso- provide maemo-games-startup ? May 04 02:50:43 I think the pkg name would be osso-games-startup May 04 02:51:01 probably not as apt-get isn't finding it as a valid dependency to install for me May 04 02:51:09 anyways, I'm off to work May 04 02:51:10 good luck May 04 02:54:48 thanks :/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 04 02:59:57 2008