**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 09 02:59:56 2008 May 09 03:32:31 hi May 09 03:35:23 Hey May 09 03:36:03 anyone know why I try to flash my kernel I get message flasher: not found May 09 03:37:12 Did you download the flasher? May 09 03:37:19 tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php May 09 03:46:10 lol GA May 09 03:47:55 lol urself May 09 03:48:03 rm_you, how'd you ponder out mediaserv NAT? May 09 03:48:17 woo May 09 03:48:17 I had it working before all the drives in my G4 died. May 09 03:48:22 heh May 09 03:48:24 Now I can't get it back. May 09 03:50:17 just set $ip May 09 03:50:24 somewhere at the top of the script May 09 03:50:34 hey has anyone tried the microb svn posted on ITT? May 09 03:50:50 Sure May 09 03:50:52 Yes May 09 03:51:02 Ha May 09 03:51:06 Thanks, rm_you. :P May 09 03:51:09 :P May 09 03:51:12 * GeneralAntilles blames his router. May 09 03:51:20 yeah... May 09 03:51:31 GeneralAntilles, Navi: how much better is it? Is it worthwhile switching? May 09 03:51:32 i really liked mediaserv/770encode May 09 03:51:38 and then they started mutating on me May 09 03:51:44 GeneralAntilles: do plugins like adblock work? May 09 03:52:07 Someone said adblock worked May 09 03:52:11 Poor rm_you May 09 03:52:22 adblock is absolute garbage on the tablets May 09 03:52:35 You end up behind compared to just having the ads due to the insane CPU hit. May 09 03:52:43 Just use adblocking hosts and css May 09 03:52:58 tablet-encode has really only gotten better May 09 03:53:05 so I'm not sure what you could bitch about. :P May 09 03:54:48 EruditeHermit, there are a lot of testimonials on that thread May 09 03:54:59 If you're fine with the browser as it is now, just stick with it May 09 03:55:05 Navi: it is unclear about the adblock May 09 03:55:18 but if you don't like how unresponsive it is at times, then it might be worth it. May 09 03:55:51 Navi: and also with the scripts on that page I assume it is possible to go back? May 09 03:56:17 Yes. Generate packages using timeless's scripts May 09 03:56:29 and you can reinstall the original browser May 09 03:56:57 EruditeHermit, seriously, drop adblock and go the hosts/css route May 09 03:56:58 ok May 09 03:57:06 AdBlock is garbage on the tablets. May 09 03:57:18 where do you get stuff to edit hosts with? May 09 03:57:24 does anyone have a list of ad sites? May 09 03:58:10 http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html May 09 03:58:21 http://www.floppymoose.com/ May 09 03:58:34 ok May 09 03:58:38 thanks guys May 09 03:58:43 I'll try it a little later tonight May 09 04:03:20 hey do you guys know why if I have personal menu install and select to show under setting it doesn't show but contacts still shows and it isn't selected May 09 04:03:48 Because you crashed the desktop? May 09 04:04:13 what do I need to do to fix it May 09 04:04:35 btw personal menu has never show since I installed it May 09 04:04:50 Have you tried restarting? May 09 04:04:54 yes May 09 04:06:41 Did you go into panel settings and enable personal menu? May 09 04:06:49 yep May 09 04:07:10 latest one May 09 04:07:11 ? May 09 04:07:17 should be May 09 04:07:43 Latest one is .7-6 May 09 04:07:53 -5 had crashing issues May 09 04:09:03 don't know where I got mine from but its still 7-4 May 09 04:09:11 I"ll try 7-6 May 09 04:19:49 nope still not showing May 09 04:22:34 so far only things to kick me in the butt on this thing is personal menu and screen rotation May 09 04:27:27 lol... screen rotation is cool, but seems very useless to me May 09 04:27:35 with the current layout issues, that is May 09 04:27:37 and theming issues May 09 04:27:52 get nuvoclear May 09 04:28:01 and make a wallpaper exactly 160x160 May 09 04:28:03 GeneralAntilles: we've been over this. it's getting all crufty with that GUI crap ;P May 09 04:28:29 Pfft May 09 04:28:35 The GUI is 100% optional. :\ May 09 04:28:39 lol May 09 04:28:47 it adds kb :P May 09 04:28:55 * GeneralAntilles slap rm_you around with rational thinking. May 09 04:29:06 * rm_you is a CLI elitist for no real reason sometimes May 09 04:29:16 and an irrational one at that :P May 09 04:29:22 its just... fun :) May 09 04:29:39 i like cli because of ssh/scripting May 09 04:30:21 I don't buy electronic devices > $200 unless I can ssh into them :) May 09 04:30:30 ok I guess I just wasn't supose to have personal menu May 09 04:31:00 andy: how about a fridge? May 09 04:31:12 rules are rules May 09 04:31:26 or vacuum cleaner? May 09 04:31:31 or tv? May 09 04:31:33 :) May 09 04:33:08 I can SSH into my TV sort of :P May 09 04:33:15 Vacuums are cheap (can you ssh into a roomba?) May 09 04:33:22 I mean... it's only ever on the MythTV input :) May 09 04:33:41 If roombas don't run linux.... then someone should make them run linux :P May 09 04:34:15 Also, it *IS* possible to have openssh-server on a fridge! May 09 04:34:22 * rm_you looks for link May 09 04:34:43 yeah.. *on* May 09 04:34:54 >_> May 09 04:34:59 my friend did it at RIT May 09 04:35:09 the link may be internal only tho May 09 04:35:28 there was an internet fridge made by LG a while ago. I'm sure it could be hacked.... May 09 04:35:29 http://us.lge.com/www/product/refrigerator_demo.html May 09 04:35:38 ... and all it really did is vend soda and snacks... but it WAS basically a refrigerator :P May 09 04:35:42 http://farookh.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!1F807D7A703B5B1E!999.entry May 09 04:35:43 :) May 09 04:37:29 LG's internet fridge makes me laugh May 09 04:37:34 Saw it at Best Buy a week ago May 09 04:37:45 it probably seemed like a good idea at the time... to someone. May 09 04:37:46 may I should try and reflash device and try personal menu May 09 04:37:57 I told my mother she should buy one and stick a lazy boy in front of it to watch DVDs. May 09 04:38:28 personal menu is ok, at least it makes that useless contacts icon replaceabla May 09 04:38:53 yeah but I can't get the contacts icon to go away to show personal menu May 09 04:39:20 simply select personal menu and deselect contacts in control panel May 09 04:39:34 yeah I did that but did work for me May 09 04:40:12 you have to have 3 selected maybe you had 2 May 09 04:40:27 on the topic of getting rid of the contacts thing, could I just remove it from /etc/hildon-desktop/tasknavigator.conf? May 09 04:40:36 or would that break other stuff May 09 04:40:55 you can try May 09 04:40:59 but it won't work May 09 04:41:05 I have Personal Menu, Regular Menu, and Web selected I tried to keep contacts and get ride of web still didn't work May 09 04:42:09 TheNewAndy, you can remove the .desktop May 09 04:42:13 But there's no point May 09 04:42:21 Just replace it with Command Manager or Personal Menu May 09 04:43:11 I don't really mind their application menu. I just have no use for the contacts (or bookmarks) menus. May 09 04:44:19 i could lose all but personal menu May 09 04:44:42 where can I find comand manager I want to see if I can get it to show May 09 04:44:49 Until the taskbar becomes dynamic, there'd be no point. May 09 04:45:08 * GeneralAntilles iz dumbas May 09 04:45:10 http://upir.cz/maemo/cmdnav.php May 09 04:45:14 Command Navigator May 09 04:48:01 I'm puzzled by the tasknavigator.conf files (in /etc and ~/.something). Removing the contacts menu from them does nothing at all. May 09 04:48:35 There's a minimum of 3 taskbar plugins. May 09 04:49:07 I think I'm starting to see why people like Command Manager or Personal Menu :) May 09 04:49:25 yup May 09 04:49:36 hrm May 09 04:49:48 must be a bug for me I can't get command manager to replace contacts either May 09 04:50:07 probably you are doing it wrong May 09 04:50:08 never tried command manager. is it neat? i have been kind of wondering why nokia provided me with two entirely useless icons in what should ve very valuable menu real-estate May 09 04:50:22 command manager is a early version of personal menu May 09 04:50:24 afair May 09 04:50:41 *an May 09 04:51:04 Personal Menu was inspired by Command Navigator May 09 04:51:26 Uses part of CM's code, or so I think I've read May 09 04:51:28 rm_you, context and perspective. ;) May 09 04:51:40 what can you do wrong with installing it and unclicking contacts and clicking personal menu May 09 04:51:43 Navi, not uses May 09 04:51:49 Just closely related to. May 09 04:51:54 is therea theme that makes fontsize smaller? May 09 04:52:01 Andrewfblack, evidently something. May 09 04:52:03 a* May 09 05:06:44 darn kids with their 20/20 vision! *shakes fist* May 09 05:08:02 heh May 09 05:24:49 the future is now, old man! May 09 05:25:03 eh? speak up! May 09 05:40:34 the rtcomm stuff is quite nice May 09 05:43:38 Navi, GeneralAntilles: where on the timeless page do I have to start for making Debs? Is the beginning stuff necessary? May 09 05:45:25 sup doods May 09 05:45:42 hi May 09 05:45:45 wag1 May 09 05:45:59 Joke, hi, it's an East London thing :p May 09 05:46:28 i c May 09 05:46:29 yeah May 09 05:46:47 you english people are weird :P May 09 05:47:01 you say things like g'day mate and guten tag May 09 05:47:02 EruditeHermit, which page is that? May 09 05:47:14 and that whole CRYKEY business :) May 09 05:47:18 johnx: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n800/microb-3.2007 May 09 05:47:22 i keed, i keed. May 09 05:47:32 wag1, hmmm May 09 05:47:37 * Livingroom googles wag1 May 09 05:47:39 johnx: do you know how I can make debs of all the microb stuff May 09 05:47:43 also, my tablet is so incredibly awesome May 09 05:47:51 it's more fun than making babies. May 09 05:47:56 EruditeHermit, that's what I'm looking at for you. :) May 09 05:49:23 I wish diablo would magically be ready and released May 09 05:49:48 EruditeHermit, aaah, all the .debs of the version of microb installed on your tablet May 09 05:50:00 ? May 09 05:50:05 yeah May 09 05:50:35 do you have a debian/ubuntu desktop? May 09 05:50:38 johnx: I am trying this: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19849 May 09 05:50:41 and some spare time? May 09 05:50:43 johnx: yep May 09 05:51:28 ok, I haven't tried this for this many packages at once...but it worked for other packages: xomap and osso-xterm May 09 05:51:52 basically, I just use sshfs to mount the root fs of my tablet on my debian desktop, then use dpkg-repack May 09 05:52:36 (run dpkg-repack on the desktop that is with --root=/path/to/tablet-sshfs-mount May 09 05:53:45 johnx: how do you mount with sshfs? May 09 05:53:50 do you have an example? May 09 05:54:14 install sshfs on your desktop, install openssh-server on your tablet, run: sshfs root@my-tablet:/ /some/mount/point May 09 05:54:26 sshfs is like the coolest thing ever :) May 09 05:54:32 ok May 09 05:56:02 johnx: I don't think I have root password for my tablet May 09 05:56:12 johnx: I always used sudo gainroot May 09 05:56:16 did you install openssh-server on it or dropbear? May 09 05:56:19 you need to set one or else install ssh May 09 05:56:26 johnx: openssh-server May 09 05:56:37 didn't it prompt you to pick a password during install? May 09 05:56:46 no May 09 05:57:09 uninstall it and reinstall the latest version from downloads.maemo.org "click to install" May 09 05:57:10 I don't think so May 09 05:57:11 you can set root password with passwd with sudo gainroot May 09 05:57:18 ok May 09 05:57:22 passwd works May 09 05:57:33 EruditeHermit, yeah, either way works May 09 05:59:06 maybe it did ask for a root password May 09 05:59:09 but I forgot it May 09 05:59:10 =p May 09 06:00:01 aaah, now the truth comes out :P May 09 06:00:22 hmm May 09 06:00:35 ok so which packages do I need to repack? May 09 06:00:45 soooo May 09 06:00:57 any webcam apps that are cool? maybe ones that upload via ftp or something? May 09 06:01:00 libnspr4 libnss3-certs libnss3 microb-gtkmozembed May 09 06:01:04 i cant find any to stream or do anything :( May 09 06:01:39 EruditeHermit, anything that you plan on replacing May 09 06:02:38 sshfs is pretty cool May 09 06:02:57 I wish the tablets could be mounted by USB May 09 06:03:01 its really slow over the network May 09 06:03:28 well, you could use usbnet and sshfs over that May 09 06:03:34 johnx: it built it i386 May 09 06:04:17 what built what i386? May 09 06:04:58 it built my repackaged package as libnspr4_1.0.3-36_i386.deb May 09 06:05:07 instead of armel May 09 06:05:08 bye May 09 06:05:48 EruditeHermit, you're in scratchbox, yes? what target are you set to? ARMEL or x86? May 09 06:06:09 johnx: oh no I wasn't in scratchbox at all May 09 06:06:09 =p May 09 06:06:18 ok I have to do this in scratchbox then May 09 06:06:23 oooh May 09 06:06:26 in dpkg-repack? May 09 06:06:29 yeah May 09 06:06:31 sorry, got distracted :/ May 09 06:06:40 make sure you specify the arch May 09 06:06:50 dpkg-repack --help May 09 06:07:22 johnx: so I can do it without of scratchbox? May 09 06:07:50 does it recognize armel? I don't think debian systems have armel May 09 06:07:55 just arm May 09 06:08:15 it's just blindly repacking May 09 06:08:32 I thought you were talking about packages you *compiled* earlier May 09 06:08:46 the only part that ended up i386 on that package it just made is the label May 09 06:08:56 ok May 09 06:09:16 all it does is look at the list of package contents and then put it back together May 09 06:09:35 so this is what I should be doing May 09 06:09:40 that's why you get all the complaints about not finding documentation, because docpurge got it May 09 06:09:43 in a normal shell May 09 06:09:49 yes, in a normal shell May 09 06:09:50 sudo dpkg-repack --root=/media/cdrom/ --arch=armel libnspr4 May 09 06:10:01 dpkg --root=/some/path/to/n800 --arch=armel May 09 06:10:10 EruditeHermit, yes May 09 06:10:15 yeah I mounted it at cdrom May 09 06:10:15 =p May 09 06:10:20 heh May 09 06:10:24 * johnx shakes his head May 09 06:10:29 its temporary May 09 06:10:42 I don't really use cdroms anyway May 09 06:10:45 you'll use sshfs enough that you'll want to keep it :) May 09 06:11:11 I have a whole net hierarchy under my $HOME for sshfs mounts May 09 06:11:14 problem with debian and related OSS stuff is that I end up installing every package there is May 09 06:11:18 just to try it out May 09 06:11:18 =p May 09 06:11:39 i use /mnt/1/ for local subnet and /mnt/2/ for outer mounts May 09 06:11:40 :) May 09 06:12:18 $HOME//// May 09 06:12:20 I prefer using /media instead because then gnome picks it up too :) May 09 06:12:30 i don't use gnome May 09 06:12:31 :) May 09 06:12:55 hehe, you use one of them wierd ones ?:P May 09 06:13:07 I used gnome until last week, but got fed up with it. Using xfce and compiz for now May 09 06:13:07 nope, fluxbox and mc May 09 06:13:07 what is usbnet btw? May 09 06:13:08 :) May 09 06:13:34 EruditeHermit, usbnet lets you do IP over the usb connection between your N8x0 and PC May 09 06:13:42 KotCzarny, nice :) May 09 06:14:02 johnx: no way! May 09 06:14:15 johnx: how how how? May 09 06:14:34 heh, you just load g_ether on the device and ifconfig usb0 May 09 06:14:46 there's a fancy GUI tool as well, IIRC May 09 06:15:00 I want May 09 06:15:10 is g_ether a package? May 09 06:15:35 a module May 09 06:15:49 oh May 09 06:15:55 is it built into the default kernel? May 09 06:15:59 or do I have to reflash the kernel May 09 06:16:06 yeah, its included by default afaik May 09 06:16:09 it's included somewhere May 09 06:16:21 I think it's in /mnt/initfs somewhere May 09 06:16:35 whats the GUI for it? May 09 06:16:58 sshfs is awesome btw May 09 06:17:05 is it a fuse fs? May 09 06:17:12 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/usb-otg-plugin/ May 09 06:17:15 yeah, fuse May 09 06:17:16 Is the gui thing May 09 06:19:04 with this, syncing my gpe with evolution will be so much easier May 09 06:19:24 you can even use dbus-scripts to set up auto-sync when you plug it in May 09 06:25:20 has anyone had maemo sdk installation problems when trying to install from scratch to Kubuntu Hardy 8.04? I have fixed sysctl -problem but now I get errors such as: "/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory" and "/scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: changing ownership of `/var/log/dpkg.log': Operation not permitted" May 09 06:26:33 .. and I have tried both installation ways i.e. using install script and manual installation May 09 06:26:44 AARAGH May 09 06:26:59 i cannot understand why wifi overwrites the edge modem when low signal strength is present !AAAUGHR May 09 06:27:08 rm -rf /self May 09 06:28:04 Goodbye Livingroom May 09 06:28:25 its ok, i made a backup of myself May 09 06:28:34 zchydem, "Operation not permitted" sounds like you're not using fakeroot May 09 06:28:36 so all that has to happen is that someone logs in, cp -rf /back/self /self May 09 06:28:43 lol May 09 06:29:05 zchydem, and preconfigure missing is not an issue May 09 06:30:16 inz: do you have a glue how I could fix the problem? May 09 06:30:52 zchydem, use fakeroot dpkg -i or fakeroot apt-get install May 09 06:39:57 I wonder how long it would take to repack the entire tablet May 09 06:40:08 guys i just made a youtube video, uploading it now. it includes the N800 May 09 06:40:55 I made a youtube N800 vid once >.<... May 09 06:42:24 mines cooler! May 09 06:42:26 :P j/k May 09 06:42:42 Probably is :D May 09 06:43:28 once it uploads, you all have to tell me what you think. May 09 06:43:43 johnx: what do I need to do on my desktop for USB ethernet? May 09 06:43:56 Any chance someone could try milkytracker in a debian armel chroot May 09 06:44:11 EruditeHermit, ifconfig usb0 May 09 06:44:14 on my way out the door May 09 06:44:18 It's in the unstable repository May 09 06:44:25 ok thanks johnx for all the help May 09 06:44:25 google maemo usbnet as well May 09 06:44:40 sure, 'later May 09 06:49:46 EruditeHermit: http://blog.haerwu.biz/ search for 'usb networking' and you will get information how to make usb0 hotpluggable + NAT May 09 06:55:06 Does anyone have: sbox-arm-linux-windres :( May 09 06:55:26 sbox suxx May 09 06:55:33 Yep :( May 09 06:55:40 what is sbox? May 09 06:55:51 Scratchbox May 09 06:57:25 Morning. May 09 06:57:51 Morning May 09 06:58:16 hey I just installed the usb-otg-plugin and now I can't even connect to the internet with the tablet May 09 06:59:05 I connect fine with it installed :/ May 09 06:59:20 qwerty12: its not even scanning for wifi signals now May 09 06:59:48 Give it a restart :/ May 09 06:59:55 I did a few times May 09 07:00:25 I'm not sure then, sorry, I have to go. May 09 07:00:26 Bye May 09 07:03:10 uniinstall it then and report bug May 09 07:05:32 the otg usb thing messes with mine too May 09 07:05:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUAMPQoUCc May 09 07:05:43 rm_you: did your menu work? May 09 07:06:06 since i messed with OTG stuff it started popping up "usb device malfunction" messages all the time May 09 07:06:08 or something like that May 09 07:06:26 even with NOTHING plugged in May 09 07:06:49 only way to get it to stop is toggle it back and forth from host/otg, and that is only temporary May 09 07:07:02 not sure if i was using that exact plugin tho May 09 07:09:19 did you guys watch? May 09 07:10:42 I am not May 09 07:10:50 I have 80x25 text console now May 09 07:16:51 copy/paste and url clicking are broken in silverex's xchat2 port >_> May 09 07:27:04 sweet May 09 07:27:17 my newest video is highly recommended by #debian May 09 07:32:56 hmm May 09 07:33:12 my networking and USB connecting ability is gone May 09 08:04:03 Um guys... May 09 08:04:12 My N800's screen just went Cyan May 09 08:04:25 now that's something new May 09 08:04:26 :) May 09 08:04:32 reboot May 09 08:04:36 I did May 09 08:04:48 It looks like it's busted. May 09 08:04:51 its borked then May 09 08:05:13 It's still booting and the touchscreen still works, but the screen itself is only displaying that one colour. May 09 08:05:13 does it still have warranty? May 09 08:05:14 backup shit and try a reflash although its 99% certain a hardware thing May 09 08:05:17 I didn't do anything though. May 09 08:05:37 if its under warrantee, send it in May 09 08:05:40 elsewise, open it up May 09 08:05:49 Which is weird, it should be under warranty. May 09 08:05:50 prolly just the LCD connector rattled loose May 09 08:06:05 ... May 09 08:06:12 I just rattled it and it is now working May 09 08:06:18 yeah May 09 08:06:23 need to pop that in better May 09 08:06:41 it's in the top right corner... you might just be able to squeeze it May 09 08:06:52 best bet would be pop it open tho May 09 08:07:15 thoughtfix has a video guide May 09 08:07:30 but he still has warranty on it May 09 08:07:43 Had me worried for a second there, I'll just do a backup now, wait for it to die again and send it in for a fixing. May 09 08:07:43 how much longer? May 09 08:07:57 a warranty is nice... but sending it in so they can click a connector into place is t3h suxx May 09 08:08:57 * scibot goes to check his receipt. May 09 08:14:36 is there any contact, calendar sync i can do from os2008 to evolution? May 09 08:24:07 user__op: using the pimlico suite? May 09 08:25:23 Is anyone interested in music trackers? Milkytracker is open source, has an armel package in debian and supports 800x480. May 09 08:26:54 hm, that's interesting May 09 08:27:06 not sure whether i'd use it on my tablet May 09 08:27:10 would be kinda fun though May 09 08:32:27 It works May 09 08:32:50 The armel package works for me, just ignoring the dependency issues for now. May 09 08:33:37 Hmmm, how do you rightclick though... May 09 08:34:31 press and hold May 09 08:34:42 It needs to be hildonised for that though? May 09 08:34:53 don't know, just try May 09 08:38:08 Congress approved the idea to make pennies and nickels of iron May 09 08:39:02 irony money? May 09 08:39:37 Yep. May 09 08:39:56 btw. why iron, silicon is better May 09 08:40:02 RST38h, what next ? make them out of sea shells ? May 09 08:40:08 cardboard is even better May 09 08:40:16 silicon as in virtual money May 09 08:40:17 t's called paper money May 09 08:40:28 it's called credit May 09 08:40:29 ;) May 09 08:40:42 KotCzarny, not necessarily May 09 08:40:48 next, they are probably going to abolish pennies and nickels altogether May 09 08:40:53 depends if your accound is positive or not May 09 08:41:03 doesn't matter May 09 08:41:08 and send inflation further May 09 08:41:09 you can loose your goods May 09 08:41:18 RST38h, next comes the 1000, then 10000 then 100000 then 1M USD bills May 09 08:41:23 just because goverment says so May 09 08:41:44 *government May 09 08:41:45 then a loaf of bread will go for a 1M USD bill May 09 08:41:52 it is already May 09 08:41:54 in nigeria May 09 08:42:11 or should I say "privately issued by the FED 1M Dollar note" May 09 08:42:15 Yea, and they have 300k and 700k USD bills there as well May 09 08:42:33 300 and 700K ? May 09 08:42:36 Made of high-quality nigerian paper May 09 08:42:39 haha May 09 08:42:55 shopped. May 09 08:42:56 ;) May 09 08:42:58 the US ain't too far behind May 09 08:43:24 KotCzarny, in those places, whose to say the notes are legit or not :) May 09 08:43:51 m16 says so. May 09 08:43:52 ;) May 09 08:43:52 * aquatix fires up his colour laser printer May 09 08:44:02 soon, they'll only take gold coins May 09 08:44:16 ooh May 09 08:44:19 little flasks of oil May 09 08:44:23 now that'd be something May 09 08:44:25 RST38h: ha May 09 08:44:29 KotCzarny, that should read AK47... the M16 is waaaay too unreliable May 09 08:44:51 M16 only gets exported to democratic countries May 09 08:45:01 that too May 09 08:45:11 Like Georgia or Azerbaijan you know... May 09 08:45:12 ira[nq] is democratic? May 09 08:45:19 the AK47 is much cheaper and much better anyways May 09 08:45:23 Iraq definitely is May 09 08:45:25 many m16 went there May 09 08:45:27 :) May 09 08:45:42 Iran is currently not, but let's wait and see May 09 08:45:55 many didn't come back... still trying to assert the real reason May 09 08:46:16 besides, at this point, I'd rather go to Iran than the US May 09 08:46:17 sand is shinier on the other side? May 09 08:46:37 iran is also b0rken May 09 08:46:55 any state is abomination May 09 08:46:56 :) May 09 08:47:16 :) May 09 08:47:22 because it's made by people and people are imperfect May 09 08:47:34 sxpert: you don't want to go to Iran, believe me May 09 08:48:13 they'd probably pay heftily for my telecomm skills May 09 08:48:35 they also cut hands and kill by stoning for trivial stuff May 09 08:48:44 like watching pr0n May 09 08:48:46 ;) May 09 08:48:54 just make sure you don't do that ;) May 09 08:49:01 and thou shall be safe ;) May 09 08:49:16 kinda difficult to insure you don't accidentally do something they cut your hand for May 09 08:49:17 you can stumble upon it by mistake May 09 08:49:31 and then you wake up in a messy situation May 09 08:49:31 :) May 09 08:49:45 t's called "living withing a foreign culture", something the Bushistan people appear to have problems with May 09 08:49:48 like those bulgarian medics who spent years in prison May 09 08:50:12 sxpert: Actually, this is a bit different May 09 08:50:29 sxpert: It is one thing when foreign culture is more or less benign or if there are clear rules May 09 08:50:59 sxpert: But living among millions of holy shiites is different May 09 08:51:08 :> May 09 08:51:24 RST38h, somehow the US feel that way too... fart in public and you'll probably end up being roundhouse-kicked by the philly cops as shown on tv recently May 09 08:51:25 you either catch up or they will catch you May 09 08:51:27 :) May 09 08:51:36 sxpert: Not really May 09 08:52:10 sxpert: Although you should abstain from placig yourself in non standard situations - cops (and americans as a whole) are notoriously bad handling these May 09 08:52:25 "The \u2018Net is a waste of time, and that's exactly what's right about it." May 09 08:52:25 - William Gibson, sci-fi author and coiner of the word "cyberspace" May 09 08:52:51 * KotCzarny is different May 09 08:52:58 and definitely not standard May 09 08:53:10 Kot: But then, you are not completely american, afaik? May 09 08:53:20 yup May 09 08:53:24 i'm me May 09 08:53:33 i live on the 'net May 09 08:57:12 RST38h: hm, non-standard situations May 09 08:57:19 and i still have to decide if a state is a good thing or not May 09 08:57:26 * aquatix likes to be quite non-standard May 09 08:57:30 if people are like body cells in a dinosaur May 09 08:57:40 guess I shouldn't visit the US anytime soon then :) May 09 08:58:21 aquatix: visiting isn't bad May 09 08:58:38 it's living that can be problematic May 09 08:58:39 :) May 09 08:58:44 Kot: Actually, the travel is worst ever now May 09 08:59:09 * aquatix loves living in the Netherlands May 09 08:59:16 Kot: You can't imagine the lines I had to stand in this March. In fact, I couldn't imagine those before I saw them May 09 08:59:27 :) May 09 08:59:31 people tend to whine on the government, society etc here, but it's not that bad :) May 09 08:59:51 auqatix: unless you do something non-standard May 09 08:59:54 US managed to beat USSR at inconviniencing air travel May 09 09:00:09 and then you start gathering papers, documents etc May 09 09:00:20 and fighting with stupid laws May 09 09:00:21 :) May 09 09:00:35 yep, helpful, geniunely interested people suddenly start closing up on you... May 09 09:01:08 :) May 09 09:01:20 and net filters start watching your data May 09 09:01:46 I faced a problem while istalling maemo SDK 4.0.1 chinook May 09 09:01:57 complete error report is at URL: http://rafb.net/p/eW0x7773.html May 09 09:02:09 can somebody please help May 09 09:02:25 wrong user? May 09 09:03:06 try: su - sbox May 09 09:03:07 :) May 09 09:03:13 or su - root May 09 09:03:33 ok May 09 09:03:44 or read which user you should use at this point May 09 09:03:46 but i created the user and user was made May 09 09:03:51 should be in install.txt May 09 09:04:05 but you are using your default user May 09 09:04:06 jitu May 09 09:04:09 or something May 09 09:04:16 fine thx May 09 09:04:25 i am using jitu May 09 09:04:36 and you have installed it as sbox, right ? May 09 09:04:44 ya i have it May 09 09:06:06 http://www.bornrich.org/entry/50-kg-gold-stool-worth-13-million/ May 09 09:06:09 hrmpf. May 09 09:06:24 at first i though it was about feces May 09 09:06:25 ;) May 09 09:06:31 lol May 09 09:06:36 same <_< May 09 09:06:37 like that bbc article? May 09 09:06:57 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7390109.stm - Great tits cope well with warming May 09 09:07:10 * aquatix loves tits May 09 09:07:19 lol May 09 09:07:20 :) May 09 09:09:18 http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/08/05/08/1247238.shtml May 09 09:09:19 lol May 09 09:09:26 _berto_: can you give me the url of the latest po? May 09 09:10:53 KotCzarny: yeah, that's just backwards :/ May 09 09:11:20 no specs cited though May 09 09:14:32 <_berto_> solmumaha: yes May 09 09:14:57 <_berto_> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/po/vagalume.pot?root=vagalume May 09 09:24:17 thanks _berto_, when is the deadline? May 09 09:30:07 <_berto_> there's no fixed deadline May 09 09:30:15 <_berto_> i'd like to release on monday or tuesday May 09 09:36:53 i'll try to get it done by sunday May 09 09:38:06 I'm still having problems installin the maemo-sdk.. installer can't update the repositories May 09 09:39:26 <_berto_> thx May 09 09:47:05 hey guys May 09 09:47:31 I've picked up some incompatible version of one efl lib, broke canola May 09 09:47:48 I need to know which repo has the correct version May 09 09:49:14 kulve: apt-get update cries about your pubkey missing May 09 09:49:22 how do I add it? May 09 09:51:47 AStorm , lookup kulve name in a public keyserver May 09 09:52:15 but where do I import it? May 09 09:52:21 normal gpg it isn)}t May 09 09:52:27 do you have already the public key? May 09 09:52:48 in armored form? May 09 09:52:54 then, as root: May 09 09:53:05 AStorm: jldiaz: my key is on my home page and in some keyserver. But I don't know (remember atm) how to add it to apt.. May 09 09:53:06 apt-key add public_key.asc May 09 09:53:18 apt-get update May 09 09:53:19 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt May 09 09:54:10 mhm May 09 09:55:07 hmm, dns error :) May 09 09:55:37 then use the IP: 194.187.213.45 May 09 09:55:45 I've got no dns erro May 09 09:55:47 r May 09 09:55:53 weird May 09 09:57:22 404 :P May 09 09:57:33 I'd rather get the id May 09 09:58:19 IP is a bad idea with with HTTP 1.1 May 09 09:58:29 but that url is completely valid May 09 09:59:33 weird that my dns says the hostname is unsolvable May 09 10:00:05 and it does work qll right May 09 10:01:29 drat May 09 10:01:39 this gnupg can't use keyservers May 09 10:02:15 gah May 09 10:02:19 tpyo May 09 10:03:16 kulve, I have a problem with UKMP player and ogg. I don't know if the problem is at UKMP or at ogg-support. Did you hear about this? May 09 10:03:35 the problem is: when the playlist hits an ogg file, UKMP hangs May 09 10:03:47 The only way of stopping it is via killall -9 May 09 10:04:50 jldiaz: I haven't heard about that and unfortunately I don't have a clue if the problem is in UKMP or in ogg-support.. May 09 10:06:28 ok.. I'm even unsure about how UKMP plays ogg files... perhaps it uses mplayer May 09 10:06:47 I better report it to konttori May 09 10:06:52 I think it uses the Nokia's Media Engine, but I might remember wrong.. May 09 10:07:10 actually I'll take that back. I don't remember May 09 10:07:26 I guess that the hang occurs while trying to obtain the id3 tags May 09 10:07:53 and perhaps the problem only appears with *that* specific ogg file. I should do some more testing May 09 10:30:11 ok, how do I list deps of canola? May 09 10:30:43 ok, got it May 09 10:32:31 have some evas vs eet incompatibility May 09 10:35:28 1.0.0 vs 0.0.0 May 09 10:39:45 Navi: ping May 09 10:42:44 ok, just a missing symlink May 09 11:00:01 I have the core dump for battery chargin daemon(?). Any suggestions where or to whom should I send it? May 09 11:00:35 try maemo's bugzilla? May 09 11:03:29 Anybody planning to make Conky a proper Maemo desktop widget? May 09 11:09:33 A Swiss government ethics committee has issued guidelines on the thorny issue of the "dignity of plants" in relation to biotech research after the country's 2004 Gene Technology Law declared that "the dignity of creatures" should be considered in any grant-funded research. May 09 11:36:16 does anyone going to linuxtag know if diablo test machines will be around? May 09 11:41:25 Seems like a good possibility, lcuk_work. May 09 11:41:37 excellent May 09 11:41:42 * lcuk_work rubs hands together May 09 11:41:48 Quim may actually have mentioned something to that end come to think of it. May 09 11:41:50 :) May 09 11:42:01 any news on diablo for n810 btw? May 09 11:42:14 * aquatix checks the forum May 09 11:42:16 dunno, im interested in the cpuscheduler :) May 09 11:42:22 "news"? "for n810"? May 09 11:42:34 as in: firmware update May 09 11:42:43 Are we expecting something, new, lcuk_work? May 09 11:42:55 aquatix, still don't follow. May 09 11:43:04 What would be N810 specific? May 09 11:43:35 ive heard rumours about some new cpu scheduling code which replaces ondemand slicing and hopefully gives instant upclocking as the task requires it May 09 11:44:10 GeneralAntilles: erm, just an OS update? May 09 11:44:22 nothing ground shaking May 09 11:44:59 was just wondering when i could install the n810-wimax' version May 09 11:45:02 Well, the way you phrased it seemed to suggest you wanted to know about something Diablo-related that was specific to the N810. May 09 11:45:11 or am i mistaken and isn't that diablo May 09 11:45:19 i guess i'm in need of some coffee May 09 11:45:21 Uh, Diablo is maemo 4.1 May 09 11:45:23 wimax version requires additional hardware doesnt it May 09 11:45:28 lcuk_work: i know May 09 11:45:39 but the wimax tablet had a new version of os2008 May 09 11:45:41 It just happens to coincide with the release of the N810WE May 09 11:45:52 mind you, having under utilised hardware in a NIT is nothing new May 09 11:46:45 Whenever a Diablo firmware hits, anybody with a console flasher can use it on any OMAP2-based NIT. May 09 11:47:03 Whether that firmware happens to be for the N800, the N810 or the N810WE May 09 11:47:18 then after this updates should be inplace upgrades and shouldnt require flashing :D May 09 11:48:49 For rootfs stuff, anyway. May 09 11:49:02 Not sure about initfs/kernel/NOLO May 09 11:49:32 Though I suspect there may be a bit more to SSU than has been mentioned thus far. May 09 11:51:49 right, back to work May 09 11:51:53 cyas later May 09 12:23:26 Any europeans around here know about contracting in Europe? Is per diem normally paid there? May 09 12:24:25 * mgedmin european, but not contracting often May 09 12:25:34 I might be getting a job in Brussels (but I'm open to anywhere).. I hear the tax rate is 50% (about twice that of the US) May 09 12:25:57 So I'm trying to come up with ways to offset that May 09 12:26:26 Tax at about 50% is correct for Germany. May 09 12:27:02 here in Lithuania tax is about 28%, but the employer also has to pay a tax like that May 09 12:27:11 in the end you get about half of what the employer spends May 09 12:27:16 (a bit more than a half now) May 09 12:27:44 Yeah, similar here: After all taxes/reductions you end up with roughly 55-60% May 09 12:27:46 but the official salary in your employment contract is that intermediate value (+28% of what you get) May 09 12:29:06 Blafasel: it was a German I heard that from, btw, and thought that was common throughout europe May 09 12:30:04 What's common? May 09 12:30:27 Blafasel: high tax May 09 12:31:15 Ah. No idea, cannot compare it to something other than switzerland (which is a lot lower, but payed in a different way etc.) May 09 12:31:38 * mgedmin thinks the thing that matters is what you actually get after the tax May 09 12:31:42 and the cost of living May 09 12:31:42 The euro is worth ~1.5 USD, but according to a German I know, once you account for higher cost of living and overhead, earning 1 euro is like earning one USD May 09 12:32:07 also, hardware is more expensive in europe than in the US May 09 12:32:19 it was so even when USD was worth more than a EUR May 09 12:32:28 mgedmin: yeah, that's what I've heard. I would bring my own h/w May 09 12:32:42 unixSnob: And we pay about $8 a galon of petrol ;) So don't complain too much.. May 09 12:33:16 X-Fade_: yeah, I know about that.. and I keep hearing americans complain about fuel cost xD May 09 12:33:39 Personally I make sure I live a mile or less from work - problem solved May 09 12:33:41 So don't bring your own SUV ;) May 09 12:33:56 unixSnob: But we also have all kinds of deductables. So you don't actaully pay the full 50% etc.. May 09 12:34:02 public transport is usually better in euro also May 09 12:34:23 X-Fade_: Depends. Some guys (..) are to ignorant to bother themselves with stuff like that ;) May 09 12:34:25 about 8.4usd/gallon iirc. here :) May 09 12:34:30 X-Fade_: that's what i'm interested in finding out. What things can I deduct.. education? May 09 12:34:44 unixSnob: education is free. May 09 12:34:49 jaska: how do you figure May 09 12:34:57 Veggen: damn, so I can't write it off May 09 12:34:59 On public universities and colleges. May 09 12:35:06 something around 1.44eur/litre May 09 12:35:09 unixSnob: And if you come to a hospital, we don't ask first: "How are you going to pay for this" :) May 09 12:35:12 (at least in Norway) May 09 12:35:16 probably not free for foreigners though May 09 12:35:18 cba to walk to the gas station and check :) May 09 12:35:38 X-Fade_: damn.. another thing I can't write off May 09 12:35:45 unixSnob: hmm, probably not. Never thougt about that. May 09 12:35:49 X-Fade_: Rather "Give us your insurance card or go away". Way better.. ;) May 09 12:35:59 unixSnob: effective US tax rates are usually around 35%, not twice lower than 50% May 09 12:36:26 Blafasel: Well, if they find you injured next to the road without any papers, they will help you anyway :) May 09 12:36:45 RST38h: is that accounting for sales tax? May 09 12:37:11 XFade: So, if I get sick while in Europe, should I crawl to the nearest road and wait for a truck to jump under? =) May 09 12:37:16 unixSnob: Deductable stuff: Stuff like books for your work, relocation (work-related) are examples May 09 12:37:20 unixSnob: account state and county taxes May 09 12:37:28 ah May 09 12:37:39 unixSnob: And it all depends on what you earn. A part of your salary is taxed via a lower rate, middle rate and high rate.. May 09 12:38:06 well, I might be earning around 450 euros/day May 09 12:38:28 which roughly translates into 90 USD/hr (7.5 hr day) May 09 12:38:57 RST38h: just go to the nearest hospital May 09 12:39:02 I was kind of excited when the recruiter told me that.. but the German I know said it will be like making 60 USD/hr May 09 12:39:04 they'll help you anyway May 09 12:39:08 Wah? Give me the address, I'll take care of the job May 09 12:39:26 There are usually all kinds of tax limits. So for example, you get taxed 20% over the first 20000 and 35% over the next 20000 and the rest is taxed at high rate.. May 09 12:39:49 X-Fade_: income tax is tiered in the same way in the US May 09 12:39:55 it can also depend on your visa or work permit May 09 12:39:57 unixSnob: whoa, that's free-lance or something? May 09 12:40:09 unixSnob: Yeah, so the 50% isn't actually 50% over the total amount.. May 09 12:40:22 aquatix: kind of. I may still be on a payroll, but that's zero benefits May 09 12:40:32 wow, nice tariff :) May 09 12:40:35 aquatix: it would be contracting through an agency May 09 12:40:46 so you'll be paying them too? May 09 12:40:59 unixSnob: No idea what you're taking as a reference, but that's twice of my wage.. May 09 12:41:00 aquatix: i hope not May 09 12:41:10 * RST38h pays 13% flat tax rate May 09 12:41:13 unixSnob: they probably will take a cut May 09 12:41:15 * aquatix tries to calculate his hour fee May 09 12:41:33 alot of agencies (at least in .nl) work like that May 09 12:41:33 trickie_, thanks for the tip, I May 09 12:41:37 trickie: And you'll probably have to cover your sick days yourself. May 09 12:41:38 'll have to confirm that May 09 12:41:54 In the US, I don't even know what the agency gets. May 09 12:41:54 Veggen: yes, and probably no holidays or holiday pay etc May 09 12:41:55 trickie: and pension. May 09 12:41:56 RST38h: Where is this? May 09 12:42:02 florian: Russia May 09 12:42:10 about 17.43 euro i guess, and then i still have to pay taxes May 09 12:42:40 RST38h: That's nice because it is simple... May 09 12:42:42 aquatix: 450day/20 days a month: 9000/month May 09 12:42:51 Scratch that, that's three times my wage May 09 12:42:59 florian: gets very complicated once you register yourself as a business though May 09 12:43:02 Blafasel: whoa :) May 09 12:43:04 indeed is May 09 12:43:22 * aquatix makes about 2650 euro/month, 38 hours a week May 09 12:43:23 florian: but as long as it is a paycheck, 13%, period. May 09 12:43:26 Blafasel: But with taxes, insurance etc, he will end up with about 40% :) May 09 12:43:32 The recruiter told me I'll have to take care of my own healthcare, so I guess the socialized healthcare doesn't apply to foreigners.. hopefully that's deductible May 09 12:43:34 unixSnob: No idea what you are used to, but with 9000/month I'd feel like a king (being single) May 09 12:43:44 X-Fade_: still :) May 09 12:43:46 RST38h: Yeah... I heared some rumours that starting a business in Russia is a major pain. May 09 12:43:51 unixSnob: I'm living very comfortable with one third. May 09 12:44:00 lots of officials to bribe?:P May 09 12:44:16 jaska: yep. + official taxes adding up to something like 50-60% May 09 12:44:23 ouch May 09 12:44:28 Blafasel: I figured it would be comfortable living May 09 12:44:32 + the documentation requirements that change monthly May 09 12:45:02 unixSnob: the helathcare stuff really depends on which country you go to May 09 12:45:06 I have around 5500 euro per month, plus overtime. but that covers pension and vacation and stuff too. May 09 12:45:11 unixSnob: 3333/month, truckload of hardware in my flat (eeePC, N810, pre-ordered a OpenMoko phone) and an expensive GF May 09 12:45:21 trickie_, at the moment, looks like brussels May 09 12:45:36 You can either buy even more hardware or keep ~8 GFs ;) May 09 12:45:38 Blafasel: [state-of-factly] this is not a truckload of hardware, just a really small purse =) May 09 12:45:47 lol.. how expensive is the GF :) May 09 12:45:50 ergh...I meant "work covers pension and vacation and stuff.." May 09 12:45:57 RST38h: Correct, and only the latest stuff/the channel related ;) May 09 12:46:00 unixSnob: i pay about 90 euro/month for basic healthcare insurance May 09 12:46:05 maybe a few euros less May 09 12:46:16 with `basic' meaning `quite good' May 09 12:46:17 * trickie_ about the same also May 09 12:46:37 aquatix: Don't forget what your employer pays.. May 09 12:46:45 it's around 3000 euro after taxes, easily 4000 with a little bit of overtime. May 09 12:46:49 aquatix: that's cheap healthcare.. is that subsidized by your employer? May 09 12:46:50 unixSnob: Judging the location that would be a good choice. May 09 12:47:03 X-Fade_: i paid that even when i was unemployed May 09 12:47:16 aka student May 09 12:47:19 aquatix: you are in .nl yes? May 09 12:47:20 Veggen: Still, great/nice May 09 12:47:22 yeah May 09 12:47:32 aquatix: It is a percentage of your income now? May 09 12:47:37 i think it is subsidised by the state somewhat May 09 12:47:38 aquatix: That's really cheap... in Germany its much more. May 09 12:47:39 X-Fade_: nope May 09 12:47:40 florian: cool, I'm really hoping the belgium gig comes through, because naturalization is only 3 yrs there May 09 12:47:50 florian: only basic coverage May 09 12:47:56 you can go wild if you want ;) May 09 12:48:08 enough to get treated at a hospital :) May 09 12:48:11 too bad there aren't english pages with the coverage May 09 12:48:23 €90/month for basic coverage for someone healthy and college age sounds pretty comparable with US prices. May 09 12:48:25 Blafasel: actually, without a car and without a gf (hey, I'm a nerd, and nerd girls are hard to find), it's pretty much. May 09 12:48:56 unixSnob: hrhr.. Just found some new poster here (switzerland, at a customer): An image where some hands (some intentionally black/brown) grab passports from a stack of swiss ones.. May 09 12:49:02 With a fat "STOP" below it. May 09 12:49:19 Blafasel: Evil! May 09 12:49:20 lol.. damn May 09 12:49:23 lol May 09 12:49:25 They are really crazy here regarding "naturalization" May 09 12:49:33 aquatix: still cheap... but the system here is incredibly complex May 09 12:49:45 yeah, I applied for a Swiss job.. was told they don't want americans May 09 12:49:48 Blafasel: has it come to blaming the Jews already or are we still some way off? May 09 12:50:05 florian: here too nowadays :/ May 09 12:50:13 unixSnob: hows your french/flemish? May 09 12:50:20 They just issued a new bill: If you marry a swiss girl and the marriage didn't last min 3 years they took your passport away again.. Now it's 7 years, iirc May 09 12:50:22 even though the Swiss are not in the EU, they have some agreements that makes it so EU workers can go there May 09 12:50:40 trickie_, 1 yr french in middle school.. ie. not good May 09 12:50:46 Blafasel: US has the same law May 09 12:51:04 Blafasel: Conditional green card - you have to update it 2 years after issuance May 09 12:51:13 RST38h: That'll never happen. A lot of rich/powerful/wealthy guys here are jews, and there are generally lots of them. I work for a company from Tel Aviv, I should know about it ;) May 09 12:51:22 unixSnob: heh... Swiss is _different_. But they are known to pay very well. May 09 12:51:29 Blafasel: Yes, but it was the same in 1930 =) May 09 12:51:42 Right. They payvery nice wages here.. May 09 12:51:43 There's /a lot/ of marriage fraud to get citizenship, so I'm not surprized May 09 12:51:50 except that in the 30's the economy didn't do so well May 09 12:52:08 and people where pointed to blame it on certain people May 09 12:52:27 florian: I figure the way to get is to get belgian citizenship (3 yrs), then I can work in Switzerland May 09 12:52:36 ;) May 09 12:52:43 Country hoppping May 09 12:52:59 s/is/in May 09 12:53:02 unixSnob: get a dutch citizenship :) May 09 12:53:08 the netherlands is way more fun ;) May 09 12:53:19 Belgium has better beer though May 09 12:53:21 aquatix: but then he must give up US citizenship May 09 12:53:30 unixSnob: sounds like a plan :) May 09 12:53:32 well, w/ a belgian citizenship, I can get into the netherlands to work / live, no? May 09 12:53:34 The beer question is a hard one.. ;) I'd go for the netherlands May 09 12:53:51 I heard the netherlands are getting conservative May 09 12:54:01 hmm. I actually never went to netherlands, even though the organization in project I participated has its headquarters in Amsterdam. May 09 12:54:05 the government sucks... May 09 12:54:10 unixSnob: They have a lot of foreigners working there - a lot of Germans from the south e.g. May 09 12:54:10 You might feel at home there. Some political acticities (against the islam) are probably just like home ;) May 09 12:54:16 (ok, I've been to the airport, but that doesn't count ;) May 09 12:54:28 amsterdam is an awesome place to live May 09 12:54:31 Veggen: :) May 09 12:54:42 * aquatix studies in amsterdam May 09 12:54:51 great city indeed May 09 12:55:20 when I traveled to amsterdam, my first thought was 'i could live here easily' May 09 12:55:39 :) May 09 12:55:41 my kind of government May 09 12:55:43 Sure. Smoking, chilling ;) May 09 12:55:55 We had meetings in Paris, Barcelona, Prague, Milan, Luxembourg and Athens, though. But never Amsterdam. May 09 12:55:55 except that the rent will be like, half of your salary? ;) May 09 12:56:26 Veggen: they trying to keep you guys clean for the drug tests? May 09 12:57:13 like everyone is stoned here ;) May 09 12:57:30 in amsterdam propably May 09 12:57:34 aquatix: Only tourists :) May 09 12:57:35 BugBlauw: :P May 09 12:57:37 but that's from passive smoking May 09 12:57:38 aquatix: everyone who is there, but not from there May 09 12:57:47 unixSnob: true May 09 12:57:56 unixSnob: don't work there any more. Unfortunately. It was half-governement, and the number of employees was publically decided, and there's rules about not using temporary workers for more than a year. So after having done part-time work throughout my studies and a year as a contractor, there wasn't job for me. May 09 12:58:12 smoking pot, buying expensive cheese souvenirs and visiting the red light district May 09 12:58:29 tourists are weird ;) May 09 12:58:46 peeing in the streets May 09 12:58:53 (except that they did hire me in as a part-time consultant for the duration of the rest of the project period, from the consultant company I went to) May 09 12:58:55 yeah, stupid brits :P May 09 12:58:58 that's not weird unixSnob May 09 12:59:09 lol.. right, that's normal May 09 12:59:26 except that it costs you 70 euro iirc May 09 12:59:27 "weird" is based on where you are I suppose May 09 12:59:47 problem is, when you've been in amsterdam, nothing is really `weird' anymore :) May 09 13:00:02 except things like orthodox christians and such, maybe May 09 13:00:20 aquatix: I used that street urinal.. had to get the full experience :) didn't have to pay 70 euro May 09 13:00:20 aquatix: Scratch the cheese ;) May 09 13:00:31 unixSnob: ah, like that May 09 13:00:33 aquatix: EUR 90 http://www.om.nl/boetebase/overig/wildplassen/ May 09 13:00:45 ohw and it's not forbidden everywhere May 09 13:00:48 unixSnob: i was referring to peeing against anything else May 09 13:00:50 normally only inside cities May 09 13:00:54 ah May 09 13:00:59 BugBlue: ah, check May 09 13:01:44 Blafasel: the cheese is only to show the people at home they didn't spend the whole time stoned ;) May 09 13:01:48 sitting in front of a building with appantly no reason: 60 euro May 09 13:01:56 BugBlue: ? May 09 13:01:58 aquatix: (and in the red light district) May 09 13:02:27 loitering? I thought only the US had those laws May 09 13:02:54 taking a shoppingcart to far from a shop: eur 60 ... May 09 13:02:56 BugBlue: hm, only if there's a `Plaatselijke Verordening' May 09 13:03:02 we have a couple of nice onces May 09 13:03:12 yeah... it has to be in specific areass May 09 13:03:25 different per city May 09 13:03:41 and very difficult to find where it's not allowed (since they don't announce them an signs mostly) May 09 13:03:42 never seen police give tickets like that May 09 13:03:52 BugBlue: they don't? May 09 13:04:02 i just wanted to say they did :/ May 09 13:04:02 hm May 09 13:04:13 I found out Brazil is definately not the place to work.. programmers make 6 brazilian dollars/hr May 09 13:04:14 sometimes... May 09 13:04:51 which is less than US min wage May 09 13:04:58 unixSnob: Depends. If you get a new house for 14 brazilian dollars it might be a good deal ;) May 09 13:05:00 Brazil uses reais, not dollars. May 09 13:05:06 unixSnob: they have great parties though ;) May 09 13:05:10 its difficult to setup when you first move here, but once you get the paperwork sorted it is cool May 09 13:05:20 aquatix: raves? May 09 13:05:26 erm May 09 13:05:30 dunno :) May 09 13:05:34 carneval May 09 13:05:36 +) May 09 13:05:38 brazilian parties ;) May 09 13:05:57 i guess they'll have raves too, but they'll prefer other kinds May 09 13:06:17 indt is in brazil, right? May 09 13:06:26 yes May 09 13:06:28 I figure the way to go is get a US or EU contract, go to brazil, and hire a team of locals to do your work for you May 09 13:06:40 * aquatix had some great cocktails, made on a party by a brazilian girl May 09 13:06:49 unixSnob: *g* May 09 13:06:57 I could pay 10 brazilians to do my job, and pocket the other half May 09 13:07:32 makes for a big enough team to do some LAN gaming after office hours too ;) May 09 13:08:32 yeah.. could even pay them to be entertained for 1 day/week for employee morale :) May 09 13:08:42 RST38h, yes, in Recife, northeast brazil May 09 13:09:03 also elsewhere :-) but it is in recife we do canola May 09 13:09:21 unixSnob: you will then have to redo the job + explain to locals why their job wasn't good enough May 09 13:09:30 The usual outsourcing routine May 09 13:09:38 yeah May 09 13:11:04 yeah, I have some idea of products outsourced to india.. I've had to use some of those tools May 09 13:12:29 From what I understand, you can't give any kind of creative license to outsourced projects.. every detail must appear in requirements May 09 13:13:02 unixSnob: indeed May 09 13:13:25 so it's only usefull for certain projects i guess May 09 13:13:40 * aquatix rather not outsources May 09 13:13:50 +correct english May 09 13:13:55 It is, for very simple things. May 09 13:14:00 Like in our cases: Data entry May 09 13:14:05 yeah May 09 13:14:05 unixSnob: And even when every detail does appear, they will find a way to interpret it wrong May 09 13:14:11 morning May 09 13:14:17 and when you have nice specs for some software modules May 09 13:14:17 What blows me away is that as little as indian programmers earn, they getting 22 times the per capita income in india May 09 13:14:26 web apps, business logic, web sites <-- more or less suitable for outsourcing May 09 13:14:41 unixSnob: cost of living isn't that high too May 09 13:14:53 unixSnob: there is a LOT of "capitas" there May 09 13:15:00 RST38h: until the first site comes back and you have to remake it May 09 13:15:06 RST38h: if you're willing to cope with non-maintainable business logic and sites, yes ;) May 09 13:15:09 trickle: yep. May 09 13:15:19 aquatix: true May 09 13:15:39 Well, you can outsource to Eastern Europe - the results will be more manageable, but it is much more expensive May 09 13:15:56 Almost like doing it in-house, basically May 09 13:16:02 Some Indians have the right idea: come to the US, work for a year, take savings back to India and take 2yr vacation May 09 13:17:56 RST38h: my previous employer has an office in hungary May 09 13:18:13 was about half what dutch employees earn May 09 13:18:25 but about the same qualiry May 09 13:18:27 *t May 09 13:18:34 and you don't have a huge time difference May 09 13:18:44 unixSnob: :) May 09 13:18:55 we have an office in romania and they get paid much much less than us here May 09 13:18:59 aquatix: it is still 3-5 times more than you pay to an indian May 09 13:19:22 true, but the quality of the product is way better May 09 13:19:30 so you don't have to rewrite it 6x May 09 13:19:31 in Moscow outsourcers earn $1500..$4000/mo May 09 13:20:28 but the clients are charged 1.3-2 times that May 09 13:20:35 of course May 09 13:20:50 There was a bet between a couple of millionaires about whether Russia would get more outsourcing work than India May 09 13:20:57 * unixSnob wonders what the outcome was May 09 13:21:13 unix: Eventually it may May 09 13:21:14 previous company where a bunch of cheapskates; charging 70 euro/hour for my work and only paying me about 10.50 May 09 13:21:25 but there is the rest of eastern europe to compete with May 09 13:21:32 they have to pay management from it too, but still May 09 13:21:44 RST38h: yeah, I recall it was a matter of time.. like 2012 or something May 09 13:21:44 that is an awful lot of management May 09 13:21:52 it isn't May 09 13:21:58 so they made a lot of profit on me May 09 13:22:02 oh well May 09 13:22:04 Typical overhead rates are 2.4 to 2.5x. May 09 13:22:08 unix: more and more people start recognizing that india/china just don't produce quality results May 09 13:22:13 i'm now government employed ;) May 09 13:22:56 * unixSnob wonders why quality varies so much May 09 13:23:01 unix: on the other hand, with USD falling through the floor, US may end up competing with Russia for software markets ;) May 09 13:23:11 right May 09 13:23:33 RST38h: i heard stories of US companies outsourcing to india, who outsourced to another company in india, which outsourced to one in the US May 09 13:23:35 unix: different education. Chinese are not taught to think (and their management knows and admits it) May 09 13:23:57 unix: I have no idea what the issue with Indians is (have not worke with them much), but apparently there is some issue May 09 13:24:04 RST38h: yeah May 09 13:24:11 and language barrier too May 09 13:24:18 and maybe poor IT education May 09 13:24:52 i just heard that you shouldn't expect much creativity from them with regards to IT projects May 09 13:24:56 well, I don't believe there's a technical defiency. It seems to be a creativity issue May 09 13:24:59 unix: East Europeans have the same or better education systems as the West (although at least the Russian education system is becoming much worse over the years) May 09 13:25:03 just give spec, type code May 09 13:25:22 aquatix: Indians have no language barrier. May 09 13:25:41 hm, their english is a lot better indeed May 09 13:25:54 unix: It is not creativity, it is inability to think May 09 13:26:03 still, what you see on certain programming forums ;) May 09 13:26:16 It is like the MCSE problem recently discussed in somebody's blog on Maemo May 09 13:26:20 RST38h: heh, indeed May 09 13:26:41 if the US continues, we can start outsourcing to them too ;) May 09 13:26:42 They know how to do certain things but can't infer the rest May 09 13:26:55 * aquatix thinks too much May 09 13:27:07 aquatix: the scary part is that at this inflation rate we only have to wait 2-3 years for that May 09 13:27:10 and i'm procrastinating from my work May 09 13:27:18 RST38h: true May 09 13:27:34 i'll be buying my next internet tablet in the US too ;) May 09 13:27:41 for 75 euro or something ;) May 09 13:28:05 if i had waited 2 weeks, i would've been even cheaper May 09 13:28:07 aquatix: I bought mine from NYC May 09 13:28:18 Saved about 100 Euros.. May 09 13:28:22 now i only paid 330 euro for an n810, a 4GB minisd and shippnig May 09 13:28:33 and then 20 euro for a darn nokia charger May 09 13:28:34 I paid 190 USD for the n800 May 09 13:29:03 unixSnob: i think my n810 was still $430 or something back then May 09 13:29:04 aquatix: you got ripped on the charger May 09 13:29:08 unixSnob: i know May 09 13:29:13 unixSnob: but i needed it fast May 09 13:29:20 could've ordered it for about 10 May 09 13:29:38 but i was leaving for FOSDEM and wanted my n810 with me ;) May 09 13:29:39 aquatix: actually, 6 USD, which is 4 euro May 09 13:29:55 unixSnob: ah :) May 09 13:30:06 dealextreme is the site I think May 09 13:30:07 genuine nokia version? May 09 13:30:10 ah yes May 09 13:30:20 bought 2 microsd->minisd adapters for 2 euro there May 09 13:30:25 great site May 09 13:30:29 dealextreme rocks May 09 13:30:32 for small cheap stuff May 09 13:30:46 yeah, they have a good universal adapter that works on the NIT May 09 13:31:06 Windows XP SP3 sends PCs into endless reboot May 09 13:31:16 Why have I expected that? May 09 13:31:31 RST38h: under what conditions? May 09 13:31:47 RST38h: heh, mickeysoft ftw May 09 13:32:08 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7087 <= that one works on the NIT May 09 13:32:35 that one is huge :) May 09 13:32:35 glass: Who knows...All they are saying is that it is no longer available from ms update May 09 13:32:50 interesting though May 09 13:32:58 RST38h: English link? May 09 13:33:18 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/ May 09 13:33:19 Enjoy May 09 13:33:35 Thanks May 09 13:33:52 unixSnob: meh, outdated sony ericsson connector May 09 13:34:02 otherwise it'd be interesting for me May 09 13:35:24 RST38h: i speaks volumes that microsoft can't even get an update straight with their extensive `quality control' May 09 13:35:38 * aquatix sticks with apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade May 09 13:40:30 * AStorm sticks with emerge --sync && emerge -vuDaN world May 09 13:40:37 :) May 09 13:40:55 * unixSnob gets kicked out of forums for discussing MS quality control May 09 13:40:57 * aquatix prefers not to waste his 1337 cpu on compiling ;) May 09 13:41:03 unixSnob: heh May 09 13:41:22 MS QA is a very touchy subject for 95% of the population May 09 13:41:23 aquatix: waste? are you running seti, f@h or something on it? May 09 13:41:33 :P May 09 13:41:39 * aquatix prefers a load of 0.00 :P May 09 13:42:01 pff May 09 13:42:06 compiling on my laptop is a pain though May 09 13:42:14 distcc? May 09 13:42:22 my new workstation will compile gentoo with two fingers in its nose May 09 13:42:28 rsynced system? May 09 13:42:34 AStorm: buildd :P May 09 13:42:39 I got kicked out of a forum the yesterday for revealing the fact that ext2/3 doesn't fragment chronically like FAT/NTFS does May 09 13:42:43 there are tons of solutions May 09 13:42:46 * aquatix got a whole build farm ;) May 09 13:42:51 unixSnob: you win May 09 13:42:59 and it's called the Debian project May 09 13:43:04 aquatix: distcc is almost there May 09 13:43:12 debian is overrated, a lot May 09 13:43:38 btw, I need to nicely stabilize my laptop May 09 13:43:51 before I get stuff running May 09 13:44:02 AStorm: myeah, i kinda like my debian machines May 09 13:44:03 would love to get some light VMs May 09 13:44:17 but i'm not forcing it on anyone or something May 09 13:44:19 just saying :) May 09 13:44:21 the problem is that I don't have SVM May 09 13:44:57 and Xen has only patches for antique kernels which don't have drivers for some of my hardware May 09 13:45:17 debian has a 2.6.25-xen kernel May 09 13:45:27 aquatix: hmm? May 09 13:45:34 does it support host? May 09 13:45:39 * aquatix looks May 09 13:47:17 http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.25-1-xen-686 May 09 13:47:25 looking whether it supports host May 09 13:48:00 that'd be awesome May 09 13:48:15 I need at least 2.6.23 May 09 13:48:15 i think it should May 09 13:48:30 hmmhmm May 09 13:48:32 if i read http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-05/msg00218.html May 09 13:48:54 * aquatix will try this kernel later on his domU May 09 13:49:25 hmm :) May 09 13:49:35 this is 2.6.20 May 09 13:49:50 * aquatix still has .18 on his domU now May 09 14:15:53 * unixSnob received a job opening from a Brit responding to his CV on a Brazilian job site.. looks like the Brits are looking to bring in those underpaid brazilian programmers May 09 14:23:49 :) May 09 14:31:52 I try to outsource myself with little shell scripts. May 09 14:32:18 pyhimys: that's not good, job-security-wise ;) May 09 14:32:34 it's very good lazy-admin-wise though May 09 14:32:53 aquatix: yep. May 09 14:33:14 Repetitive tasks are for machines May 09 14:33:21 Job Security: just make it so no one understands your scripts. Use no or misleading comments :) May 09 14:33:24 * aquatix needs a script that writes his thesis for him May 09 14:33:53 JackCrow: depends whether you want to move on or not :) May 09 14:34:06 good admins/programmers don't need job security May 09 14:34:10 haha, good point May 09 14:34:14 :) May 09 14:43:17 aquatix: Good programmers don't need job security, because scripts that make full use of the language are difficult for most mortals to understand May 09 14:44:01 I recall being ordered not to use most of the constructs available in the Make language, because others need to be able to understand it May 09 14:44:13 lol May 09 14:44:56 that's kinda sad if you think about it May 09 14:45:16 And for Ada programs, I've been told not to use the "mod" data type, because someone might not know how it works. May 09 14:45:45 * aquatix tends to think that that someone should use the freaking manual then ;) May 09 14:46:20 (a mod type is simply a natural number, but when you add 1 to the highest value, it is set to it's lowest value) May 09 14:47:12 ADA - Language Designed by a Commitee May 09 14:47:21 So is Java, actually... May 09 14:47:48 unixSnob: yeah, so what's so hard about it? May 09 14:47:59 RST38h: actually, it's "Ada", not an acronym for the American Dentan Association May 09 14:48:06 ints do something similar May 09 14:48:18 also wrap around May 09 14:48:33 aquatix: just had a lead w/ the same mentality.. "keep it simple, stupid" taken to extremes May 09 14:48:58 so, that was minus the ','? ;) May 09 14:49:07 basically s/,/ & May 09 14:49:07 unixSnob: actually, it is UNIX not misspelled "eunuchs" like in your nickname =) May 09 14:49:30 eunuchs? May 09 14:49:40 * aquatix pronounces it `younix' May 09 14:49:52 RST38h: yeah, I agree, but don't like too many caps in handles May 09 14:50:07 Then folks have to hit an extra key to address me May 09 14:50:24 that is exactly why I came up with my handle May 09 14:50:41 RST38h: i don't need shift for you May 09 14:50:51 irssi understands `r' May 09 14:51:03 hmm.. guess xchat is smart about that too May 09 14:51:07 * aquatix pats irssi May 09 14:51:10 aquatix <-- computer-enhanced intelligence! =) May 09 14:51:17 * aquatix is blonde May 09 14:51:22 so yeah ;) May 09 14:51:34 Is Nokia Video Converter written in Java or something? May 09 14:51:43 wouldn't surprise me May 09 14:51:52 Takes an hour to convert 23 minute video and slows computer down to a crawl May 09 14:54:04 not running your computer in java are you? ;) May 09 14:54:53 all right, enough, going to kill and uninstall it May 09 14:55:06 * aquatix is going home May 09 14:55:55 Fuck, it is using xulrunner May 09 14:56:15 Have they actually written video converter in JavaScript? Is there ANYTHING sacred left? May 09 14:56:53 wtf May 09 14:56:59 i guess that's only the gui May 09 14:57:05 doesn't it use ffmpeg or something? May 09 14:57:11 anyways, ttyl May 09 14:57:14 Ok, does anyone have a compiled binary of windres? I'm shitting myself trying to find it. ARRGH May 09 14:57:23 I have no idea, but it was definitely spending a lot of cycles in xulrunner May 09 14:58:07 weird stuff May 09 14:58:18 * aquatix is gone now ;) May 09 14:58:19 * unixSnob would be more motivated to write code for maemo if an Ada compiler existed for it May 09 14:58:24 lol May 09 14:58:44 didn't the gnu compiler do ada? May 09 14:58:55 [so far for being gone] May 09 14:59:27 gnat is part of gcc distros on x86 machines May 09 14:59:44 but it's not available for the ARM processor AFAIK May 09 14:59:52 oh May 09 14:59:55 bummer May 09 15:00:05 anyways, gone :) May 09 15:00:10 l8r May 09 15:00:19 the whole damn office is deserted already :) May 09 15:00:20 cya May 09 15:02:39 qwerty12 windres is a windows cross compiler. May 09 15:03:06 I know, I need a proper binary, all I keep getting is "sb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres cannot be recognized May 09 15:03:06 Maybe you are trying to run a compiler of a wrong architecture? May 09 15:03:06 " May 09 15:03:08 qwerty12, we're not actually supposed to have it May 09 15:03:23 KILL KILL May 09 15:03:32 scratchbox provides us with a dummy script for windres that actually does nothing May 09 15:03:47 which is why the compile errors out May 09 15:03:49 All right, given that Nokia's video converter is a pile of steaming fecal matter, what do I use to convert videos? May 09 15:03:58 tablet-encode May 09 15:04:04 or use ffmpeg/mencoder directly. May 09 15:04:05 understood. thanks. May 09 15:04:34 tablet-encode ftw. But I could never get it to work in XP. Ubuntu works like a charm however with it. May 09 15:04:43 qwerty12, To get the crap to work, remove sbox-arm-linux-windres. May 09 15:04:57 Thanks :) May 09 15:05:57 Hmm, "sb_gcc_wrapper (/scratchbox/compilers/bin/windres): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm/bin/sbox-arm-linux-windres: No such file or directory". I'd recompile binutils but that craps out on me too. May 09 15:06:20 Anybody is working on making Conky into a proper desktop applet? May 09 15:06:28 That would be cool May 09 15:06:43 I have no problems with how it runs atm though. May 09 15:06:47 That would pretty much resolve everybody's status applet needs once and forever May 09 15:07:10 It compiles cleanly so anyone willing to take the challenge? :p May 09 15:07:18 What are you compiling? May 09 15:07:21 it flickers (because you can't enable double buffering unless you give it its own window) and it is not packaged properly May 09 15:07:30 did you run ./configure again before trying to compile? May 09 15:07:37 xmms2, I need the headers. May 09 15:07:41 Well, if nobody takes it, I will take it sooner or later, but I am severely out of time resources right now :(( May 09 15:07:43 RST38h, it's packaged fine May 09 15:08:29 The headers for xmms2? May 09 15:08:34 Yeah May 09 15:08:37 mmk May 09 15:09:12 Unless I can jack them from the archive already :/ May 09 15:10:29 Cptnodegard, someone saw your review May 09 15:10:31 >_> May 09 15:11:17 Oh, you saw. May 09 15:15:05 qwerty12, oh yeah, when I checked yesterday, you hadn't voted on it yet. May 09 15:15:22 I did vote on it :) May 09 15:15:24 gotta check the checkmark box and hit the modify vote button May 09 15:15:27 I'm Faheem Pervez May 09 15:15:35 only shows emails May 09 15:15:40 https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=1851 May 09 15:15:41 (Yes, perv...) May 09 15:15:46 trippin1@gmail.com May 09 15:15:54 You're not on the lsit. May 09 15:16:00 s/si/is/ May 09 15:16:00 Navi meant: You're not on the list. May 09 15:16:05 Navi, i see everything :) May 09 15:16:09 Cptnodegard, ZOMG May 09 15:16:14 That's odd, because I swear I voted. I'll do it again. May 09 15:16:15 All hail Cptnodegard May 09 15:16:17 * Navi bows down May 09 15:16:28 qwerty12, did you tick the checkbox and hit the modify vote button? May 09 15:16:29 :P May 09 15:16:39 Erm, probably no :p May 09 15:17:35 Navi,I voted for this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=3142 May 09 15:17:51 You want me to vote for a different bug, no probs :p May 09 15:18:38 i found gods secret to how he keeps track of everything May 09 15:18:39 rss May 09 15:18:51 qwerty12, d'oh May 09 15:20:20 maybe he doesn't? May 09 15:20:39 Oh, that's one of the things I want May 09 15:20:52 but wasn't the one I filed May 09 15:22:55 qwerty12, too many deps for xmms2 >_> May 09 15:23:36 solmumaha has already compiled it, all I want is the headers so I can use conky with it lol May 09 15:23:42 Thanks for looking though May 09 15:24:48 Heh May 09 15:25:16 Wonder if you can pipe conky output to a python applet May 09 15:25:23 that'll be fun May 09 15:25:44 I don't really use python applets anymore, it's why I went and compiled Conky. May 09 15:26:14 yeah, but I'd rather be able to move conky around May 09 15:26:27 That is true May 09 15:27:35 I wanted to check them out, but because of the bombardment of exams during the last few months of school May 09 15:27:37 I haven't had time May 09 15:27:43 they're all over now May 09 15:27:45 party! May 09 15:28:00 Lol, great. Hope you did well in the exams. May 09 15:28:29 Probably not, but that's a different story May 09 15:29:19 Hehe, I messed up on my French coursework. I'm not really bothered, I can't even speak my mother tongue properly, forget learning a different lanugage. May 09 15:30:43 qwerty, please, make the extra step, hildonize it ! May 09 15:31:07 RST38h, Believe me, I wish I knew how :/ May 09 15:31:25 should I help? May 09 15:31:35 pipe it to a gtk/python app May 09 15:31:43 Yes please, the latest conky 1.5.1 compiles cleanly :) May 09 15:32:18 There's really nothing much to hildonize. May 09 15:32:38 That's how conky's supposed to be May 09 15:32:50 qwerty: I will locate some simple applet sample and figure out what has to be done May 09 15:33:04 Cool, good luck with it May 09 15:33:34 RST38h, if you're lazy, grab some of those python applets. May 09 15:33:39 Meanwhile, I'm installing a build with rss enabled May 09 15:33:51 I'd prefer no python May 09 15:34:20 :P May 09 15:34:24 No, I am also against python - too heavy May 09 15:34:34 qwerty: Check out this one: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/2-x/maemo-plugin-tutorial.html May 09 15:34:43 I think it is called "home plugin" May 09 15:34:52 too lazy for anything else May 09 15:35:30 Okie, thanks. I'm a dumbshit so I don't really get it but I will try. Meanwhile, if someone else can do it, please do so. May 09 15:35:36 Here is a Chinook version: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html May 09 15:35:59 qwerty: Should I quickly put together a framework for you to make it easier? May 09 15:36:35 RST38h, Any chance you could compile one? I have no idea what I am doing, like my sig says, I'm not a developer :/ May 09 15:38:33 qwerty: I will try, but the problem is I have got a baby on my hands and several other projects May 09 15:38:46 I am trying to set up the necessary files at the moment May 09 15:39:05 And will pass them to you if I do not have time May 09 15:39:11 Ah :). I would have liked to but I just went and deleted my Conky folder by accident (trying to refrain from swearing loudly) May 09 15:39:14 * unixSnob wonders why SD media consumes more power than CF May 09 15:39:34 because CF is the best format evar May 09 15:39:46 Then again, I can remake the Conky folder, should only take me 10 mins May 09 15:40:13 Check this out.. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10889 <= SD to IDE, and then http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10309 <= CF to IDE May 09 15:41:20 the CF-SD needs to run an extra chip, right? Don't CF cards implement IDE anyways? May 09 15:41:35 unix: no big deal, both CF and SD are basically IDE May 09 15:41:49 there are some physical differences, but logix is the same May 09 15:41:51 s/CF-SD/IDE->SD/g May 09 15:41:51 johnx meant: the IDE->SD needs to run an extra chip, right? Don't CF cards implement IDE anyways? May 09 15:41:53 Yeah, I understand that CF = PCI May 09 15:42:03 But why can't SD use bus power? May 09 15:42:11 s/PCI/PCMCIA/ May 09 15:42:43 yeah, I suppose extra chip for SD theory sounds reasonable May 09 15:42:44 no, cf != pcmcia May 09 15:42:55 cf ~= ide May 09 15:43:06 <||cw> cf = ide, pcmcia includes ide May 09 15:43:07 hi May 09 15:43:16 <||cw> ata more specificaly May 09 15:43:24 I heard it was pcmcia May 09 15:43:34 PCMCIA is much more complicated May 09 15:43:36 ah, but CF is a subset of PCMCIA, right? May 09 15:43:43 PCMCIA = ISA + PnP glue May 09 15:43:58 32bit PCMCIA = PCI + PnP glue May 09 15:44:37 if pcmcia included IDE, why would an IDE controller need any chips.. I don't buy it.. IDE is more raw, IDE is special purpose May 09 15:44:52 i mean, pci is more raw... May 09 15:45:38 anyway.. I got my answer.. more circuits on the SD board May 09 15:45:40 CF memory is cheaper anyways May 09 15:45:45 <||cw> maybe I'm wrong, I was under the impression that cf to pcmcia didn't have a contrler chip May 09 15:45:45 sometimes May 09 15:46:21 ok, I think cf is a subset of 16-bit pcmcia, IIRC May 09 15:47:12 <||cw> that was my understanding, cardbus controlers do still support 16bit pcmcia May 09 15:47:28 ||cw, that sounds right May 09 15:47:55 and I have a nice little chipless adapter that lets me plug a CF card into my cardbus slot on my laptop May 09 15:48:00 it was $3 :) May 09 15:50:16 * unixSnob considers using a CF card instead of HDD to run a bootloader and kernel for a desktop machine May 09 15:50:36 seems reasonable May 09 15:50:59 don't use it for anything that depends on raw transfer speed, but other than that it makes a lot of sense May 09 15:51:03 I was thinking the same thing May 09 15:51:35 hey does anyone know if scratchbox works with bsd? May 09 15:52:04 Good joke :p May 09 15:52:16 That was a bad joke of somesort May 09 15:52:49 sorry did someone reply then? May 09 15:52:55 qwerty: almost made a small home plugin May 09 15:53:03 Atarii, I did but it was pointless May 09 15:53:07 RST38h, Cool :) May 09 15:53:16 Atarii, maybe if you have support built for running Linux binaries? May 09 15:53:53 yes there is support for running Linux binaires May 09 15:53:57 hmm...actually, you could replace the toolchain with one that runs on bsd...and replace qemu with one compiled for bsd May 09 15:54:08 and then rebuild scratchbox from source May 09 15:54:09 sweet May 09 15:54:23 this is all thoroughly speculation on my part May 09 15:54:41 the maemo sdk is *big* and I don't know what linux-centric assumptions Nokia made May 09 15:55:05 lolinux May 09 15:55:26 Someone should make an Ubuntu distribution rehash named that May 09 15:56:13 heh...the lolcat-ese localization of ubuntu? May 09 15:56:24 Yessir May 09 15:56:28 with an lolcat theme May 09 15:57:13 it wasnt for me, it was asked for one of the devlopers of pc-bsd May 09 15:57:34 Best thing to do is try May 09 15:57:47 We're not sure May 09 15:57:47 Atarii, ah, here's the big deal breaker though May 09 15:58:00 ? May 09 15:58:03 it depends on binfmt_misc on linux May 09 15:58:14 thats way over my head but ill tell him May 09 15:58:21 I have no idea if their is a bsd equivalent of similar functionality May 09 15:58:27 think ive just got Nokia another n810 sale :D May 09 15:58:44 :P May 09 15:58:52 binfmt_misc lets you run programs for other architectures by specifying an "interpreter" May 09 15:58:58 in this case, qemu May 09 15:59:10 bleh May 09 15:59:19 too many people ask me about the N800 at my Uni May 09 15:59:22 thinking about it...that's probably how BSD does linux compatibility so it might not be a big deal May 09 16:00:02 so I've started to be vague about why you can't really play games and videos without transcoding May 09 16:00:13 lol May 09 16:00:41 and there are some who get snooty 'cuz they thing they're smarter May 09 16:00:49 s/ng/nk/ May 09 16:00:49 Navi meant: and there are some who get snooty 'cuz they think they're smarter May 09 16:00:50 Same here, I always say good points (except for my shit battery life which I can't hide) May 09 16:01:01 I put my device in offline mode May 09 16:01:11 i just showed xterm and it was a winner May 09 16:01:13 when I'm not using it May 09 16:01:16 Atarii, lol May 09 16:01:20 thats when you know they are a geek May 09 16:01:30 Mine is in offline mode but my N800 gets v.hot now and it still dies :p May 09 16:01:38 when they scroll the menu and say "o wow xterminal" May 09 16:01:47 qwerty12, you definitely have something sucking up CPU time :) May 09 16:01:57 qwerty12, you should stop playing porn in the background while not using it May 09 16:02:09 johnx, Yep, I don't know what it is though :( May 09 16:02:12 wheres the best place to get n810 in UK anyone know? May 09 16:02:15 Navi, damn, how did u find out? May 09 16:02:21 I stalk you May 09 16:02:32 Atarii, do they have Nokia stores there? May 09 16:02:44 dont think so, maybe London :( May 09 16:02:48 Well, that would be the *easiest* place May 09 16:02:49 when it's in offline mode, and the RSS reader tries for a scheduled download, does it go online? May 09 16:02:53 * qwerty12 checks the bushes... May 09 16:02:59 Atarii, London ftw May 09 16:03:14 unixSnob, no May 09 16:03:17 qwerty12 birmingham here atm :( May 09 16:03:50 Atarii, I feel sorry for you :( :P. Hehe, I think we have a lot of Nokia service centers around London May 09 16:03:55 rss reader applet = battery sucker May 09 16:04:35 qwerty12 is there any stores which have display internet tablets? May 09 16:04:45 Yay, mediabox update? May 09 16:04:56 I mean, I'm not a fan of it, but I want to try it out anyways May 09 16:05:27 Atarii, I don't think so. It's the phones that get displayed. You *may* be able to find one in Central London May 09 16:06:39 solmumaha, Any chance of dropping me the xmms2 headers or something? I don't want to recompile but I want to include xmms2 support in Conky :). I'm having a war between the 2 daemons: xmms2 and mpd May 09 16:07:11 one more exam then its scratchbox time! prepare for noob questions! May 09 16:07:13 I prefer xmms2 but it lacks killer clients like ncmpc May 09 16:07:34 qwerty: rebooting to Ubuntu May 09 16:07:41 Going to try compiling this home plugin May 09 16:07:47 Navi, ncmpc wins! May 09 16:07:47 qwerty12: how good is the support? May 09 16:07:53 just control? May 09 16:08:07 No idea :/. I think it may just list the song that is playing with the time :/ May 09 16:08:17 the whole db thing in mpd is supposed to be killed in mpd2, but the dev team for mpd is lacking in... people May 09 16:08:18 don't bother then May 09 16:08:25 I haven't really looked at the config options. I'll see now. May 09 16:08:25 k May 09 16:08:58 eh, the db thing in mpd doesn't bother me that much since it's so fast May 09 16:09:43 Here are conky xmms2 options: http://pastebin.com/d7a656af2 . Don't really seem like much to me too :/ May 09 16:09:45 I just like adding music to my playlist without having to move the music and then update the db May 09 16:10:35 qwerty12: useless imo May 09 16:10:40 I need to transfer the songs of my W810 onto my N800. Not sure if it's worth it atm though if my battery is really bad. May 09 16:10:44 solmumaha, agreed May 09 16:11:18 cool May 09 16:11:31 the bottom and top bars are now translucent in mediabox May 09 16:11:37 the old bars were uber ugly May 09 16:11:49 now it's only *kinda* ugly May 09 16:11:52 lol May 09 16:12:14 a better designed theme would make it look really good May 09 16:12:38 back May 09 16:14:08 the bottom bar isn't completely retarded any more May 09 16:14:19 doesn't try to double as a navigation bar May 09 16:14:40 My biggest annoyance with apt is that it will not let me install anything else while a totally unreleated package has a conflict, missing deps etc. May 09 16:14:55 My biggest annoyance with apt is making packages. May 09 16:15:17 A seriously overcomplicated approach May 09 16:15:24 apt is package agnostic, Navi May 09 16:15:31 you can make it install .tgz's if you want May 09 16:15:37 s/apt/debs/ May 09 16:15:43 fair enough May 09 16:15:48 I'll agree with you there O_o May 09 16:16:37 qwerty12, that means your OS is in a broken state. It's like your stove refusing to let you cook something while the other burner is on fire. :) May 09 16:17:34 Good analogy, but it would be nice if it would include a carry on option. As you may have been able to tell, I take risks and always end up paying for them >.< :p May 09 16:17:51 playlists + better kinetic scrolling makes it a lot nicer than canola in the music playing field May 09 16:17:56 apt-get -f install && apt-get install foo May 09 16:18:16 and canola broke for me :/ May 09 16:18:42 if diablo has a newer apt installed I'll definitely get a build of aptitude running O_o May 09 16:18:44 back May 09 16:18:52 johnx, same here :D May 09 16:18:54 I've really fallen in love with aptitude over the last couple days May 09 16:18:56 I wouldn't bank on it May 09 16:19:22 Navi, I'll bet you one (1) donut Diablo has a newer version of apt :) May 09 16:19:30 deal May 09 16:19:35 johnx, ;) May 09 16:19:58 But considering what's already been said, as well as what was in my several months old alpha snap May 09 16:20:10 I want my doughnut filled with custard May 09 16:20:19 Chocolate ftw May 09 16:20:56 if i have my iGo keyboard paired with my nokia and then pair it to my computer, is there anyway to quickly swith between the two? May 09 16:21:04 synergy May 09 16:21:05 lol, dh_make sucks May 09 16:21:17 apart from synergy May 09 16:22:01 Cool May 09 16:22:24 the edje demos that the canola team contributed to the e svn are in the repos May 09 16:23:32 johnx, aptitude is slllloowwwww May 09 16:24:01 but it's ability to deal with recommends and brokenness is worth it May 09 16:24:10 especially when space is limited May 09 16:24:18 mmm May 09 16:24:35 johnx: I didn't miss the new release, did I? May 09 16:24:41 nah May 09 16:24:44 Wehw May 09 16:24:46 just got back from work May 09 16:24:48 *whew May 09 16:24:55 haven't been working on it today May 09 16:25:02 no problem May 09 16:25:24 I just want to make sure I get it immediately after it becomes available May 09 16:25:31 I found something about sound in mamona that might make me delay a debian release for a little while, in favor of getting that working :) May 09 16:25:32 Not that I'm impatient May 09 16:25:40 qwerty: tiny plugin example compiled. making a deb for it. May 09 16:25:48 Cool :) May 09 16:26:21 johnx, what version of apt does aptitude need? May 09 16:26:33 I honestly don't know May 09 16:26:59 but at this point I don't feel like starting projects with el diablo on the horizon May 09 16:27:47 johnx, the maemo svn has apt 0.7.6(maemo2) May 09 16:29:48 great May 09 16:30:28 that should be fine I think for a relatively recent version of aptitude May 09 16:30:36 I am gonna beat the crap out of my N800 May 09 16:31:11 Navi, glazed, filled with jelly May 09 16:31:15 snap May 09 16:31:39 I might have to split it with qwerty12 though :D May 09 16:31:56 The bet? :) May 09 16:32:01 the donut May 09 16:32:11 * Navi goes to krispy kreme and gets johnx a glazed doughnut filled with banana jelly May 09 16:32:13 Ah >.> May 09 16:32:23 here you go May 09 16:32:29 * Navi tosses the doughnut over to johnx May 09 16:32:51 the donut makes it ~20 feet May 09 16:33:01 I'll pick that up in a sec... May 09 16:35:45 hmm May 09 16:36:26 I wonder if I can repackage the stuff that depends on libgtkmozembed and change the depends May 09 16:37:02 sure, just ar x foo.deb and poke its control file then repack May 09 16:37:19 yeah, I've done that May 09 16:37:55 but isn't microb-eal one of the preinstalled packages that can't be found on the repos? May 09 16:37:56 I just went and edited status file :/ May 09 16:38:09 do use dpkg-repack on it May 09 16:38:19 or I can use timeless's script :D May 09 16:38:25 I don't have a debian system May 09 16:38:35 I'm sorry to hear that May 09 16:38:45 You don't have to be. I hate .debs May 09 16:38:56 you could chroot into one on the tablet or use my debian rootfs :) May 09 16:39:03 :P May 09 16:39:12 making debs are a pain but debian is a great distro May 09 16:40:12 I prefer distros that follow the KISS philosophy... or *BSD May 09 16:40:32 so, what's your OS of choice? May 09 16:40:36 ArchLinux May 09 16:41:19 I check out other distros periodically to see if anything's changed May 09 16:41:30 maybe I'll look at arch May 09 16:41:50 it didn't immediately scare me away by being either: compile everything from source or based on redhat May 09 16:42:13 so I've tried etch and sid May 09 16:42:17 Lol May 09 16:42:35 a *surprsing* number of distros fail those two sanity checks May 09 16:42:42 I have a lot of stuff from source/svn anyways May 09 16:43:07 * johnx is too impatient to compile tons of stuff from source May 09 16:43:08 Glad I don't have to compile stuff I don't care about May 09 16:43:20 ok, to make a deb not listed as incompatible application package, the section must be user/whatever right? May 09 16:43:28 qwerty12, yes May 09 16:43:38 johnx, thanks May 09 16:43:50 :) May 09 16:44:05 my libeet is borken May 09 16:44:08 wonder why May 09 16:44:18 my desktop is finally at a state where it does what I want and I don't feel the need to use bleeding edge software on it May 09 16:45:03 * unixSnob doesn't have the need for bleeding edge s/w either.. but debian is ancient stuff! May 09 16:45:07 I like getting new features and new fixes a few days (hours, sometimes) after release May 09 16:45:18 unixSnob, eh, I run debian "unstable" May 09 16:45:22 qwerty: plugin built, need to test May 09 16:45:24 johnx: quick! back up and save that config! May 09 16:45:26 new libs are great too May 09 16:45:38 hmm.. maybe I should try debian unstable May 09 16:45:41 unixSnob: debian ancient? May 09 16:45:47 ah, using stable? May 09 16:45:48 I like sid more than the ancient stuff May 09 16:45:48 it's more stable than any redhat I've ever tried May 09 16:45:50 * aquatix uses sid May 09 16:45:55 and it's working better than ubuntu stable May 09 16:46:01 yeah May 09 16:46:29 * unixSnob is about to trash a debian netinst installation.. way too old May 09 16:46:29 Plus, I don't like being bothered to reinstall my desktop as recommended or trying to fix it myself. May 09 16:46:48 unixSnob, apt-get dist-upgrade May 09 16:46:58 it *actually works* a lot of the time May 09 16:47:02 Heh May 09 16:47:06 now you tell me May 09 16:47:16 * aquatix does dist-upgrade at least once a day May 09 16:47:18 but i'm weird May 09 16:47:30 * aquatix <- update whore May 09 16:47:35 Navi, hey, this is kind of a surprsing situation coming from redhat or windows May 09 16:47:41 * mgedmin used to run debian unstable May 09 16:47:43 it was fun May 09 16:47:54 especially the day when my /home refused to mount due to a bug in debian's initrd May 09 16:48:05 that other day when X refused to start was also rather fun May 09 16:48:11 I tend to find a good set of versions and avoid updating when crazy stuff is going on May 09 16:48:19 johnx, you mean I don't have to reinstall every time a new release is out?! May 09 16:48:21 * Navi faints May 09 16:48:38 Navi, tell me archilinux has good "upgradability" and I'll give it a shot May 09 16:49:01 Tell me it can find a good supplier and I'll get it. May 09 16:49:14 How do I install unstable stuff? If I install debian 4 (netinst), it installs old stable stuff by default May 09 16:49:21 It does. A few of the #archlinux people has had installs as old as the distros itself. May 09 16:49:31 right, so grab a testing netinst May 09 16:49:37 or just install stable and dist-upgrade May 09 16:50:24 how do I run the dist upgrade? Will "aptitude install dist-upgrade" do it? May 09 16:50:38 qwerty: Are you here? May 09 16:50:47 Yeah May 09 16:51:06 johnx, the only problem I've had was the hdX/sdX change. I didn't edit menu.lst before I rebooted May 09 16:51:09 unixSnob, should just be aptitude dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade May 09 16:51:35 ty May 09 16:51:42 Need to change your sources.list first of course May 09 16:52:31 qwerty: I have compiled a little sample plugin for you May 09 16:52:46 qwerty: Everything is there, you just need to add your code instead of button_new May 09 16:52:56 qwerty: where should I email it? May 09 16:53:09 RST38h, Drop it at trippin1@gmail.com . Thanks :) May 09 16:56:18 qwerty12, now your email's been logged for spambot fun May 09 16:56:20 woo May 09 16:56:39 lol, I have 838 emails in gmail spam filter :p May 09 16:56:47 besides, your email is on the bugzilla :p May 09 16:57:26 * unixSnob wonders why you folks don't use IRC to move files May 09 16:57:36 I wonder too. May 09 16:57:57 dcc foos May 09 16:59:05 doesn't work reliably... May 09 16:59:17 firewalls and stuff May 09 17:00:01 RST38h, Thanks :). Got the email. I'll take a look tomorrow, headache is kicking in :( May 09 17:10:34 wtf May 09 17:10:51 python is looking for libeet.so0 May 09 17:10:59 s/so0/so.0/ May 09 17:11:00 Navi meant: python is looking for libeet.so.0 May 09 17:11:07 * Navi switches channel May 09 17:11:08 s May 09 17:13:12 * qwerty12 needs to make another crap package. I make packages, I just gotta put dem out now... May 09 17:13:46 woo May 09 17:14:04 I like that xterm with the toolbar on the side May 09 17:14:17 yep May 09 17:14:29 tabs are a winner too May 09 17:14:32 I've never used it, but I like the looks of it May 09 17:14:35 zomgtabzwhere? May 09 17:14:37 'night all May 09 17:14:38 link May 09 17:14:39 link May 09 17:14:42 johnx, good night May 09 17:14:50 johnx, night May 09 17:14:55 :) May 09 17:15:01 Navi, wait a sec May 09 17:15:10 johnx, don't you feel loved May 09 17:15:15 qwerty12, I can't wait. May 09 17:15:17 It's impossible May 09 17:15:26 just jamm :p May 09 17:15:40 ;) May 09 17:15:49 http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/osso-xterm/ May 09 17:15:59 is it based on the svn? May 09 17:16:15 Yes, 13 is the build with tabs and toolbar on the side. May 09 17:16:18 ttf-bitstream-vera is also needed. May 09 17:16:48 ... can you make the toolbar *not* appear by default? May 09 17:16:55 you can disable it May 09 17:17:02 setting doesn't stick? May 09 17:17:06 Yes, in SVN builds it actually stays disabled. May 09 17:17:23 yeah May 09 17:17:43 Good! May 09 17:17:49 is there a changelog anywhere? May 09 17:19:56 If anyone wants the musictracker pidgin plugin, I went and compiled it for the maemo pidgin port (shows on msn what track you are listening to through mpd) May 09 17:21:41 Does it display track to other IM networks? May 09 17:21:52 Yes (afaik) May 09 17:22:08 "MusicTracker is a plugin for Pidgin (previously known as Gaim) which displays the music track currently playing in the status message of various accounts such as AIM, Yahoo, MSN, Gtalk (Jabber), etc., i.e. any protocol Pidgin supports custom statuses on" May 09 17:22:32 It should in theory work with exaile too as we have a port. May 09 17:22:35 interesting May 09 17:22:54 qwerty12, where can I grab the font? May 09 17:23:15 It's in a repo somewhere, I have it installed but not sure which one. I'll check for you. May 09 17:23:32 I would give that a try, always wanted to be able to do that. I guess I'd have to be listening with the built-in media player, rather than Canola, right? May 09 17:23:46 No, mpd :) May 09 17:23:51 Or Exaile May 09 17:24:16 Navi, it's in Maemo Chinook - [Repository is online] May 09 17:24:16 http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook | free non-free May 09 17:24:28 k May 09 17:24:32 thanks May 09 17:24:35 oh, i see May 09 17:24:46 hrm May 09 17:24:54 If I change up the ncmpc keybindings May 09 17:25:02 then it would be perfectly usable May 09 17:25:05 bwahahaha May 09 17:25:20 I'm installing a mpc frontend atm, lets see how it works. May 09 17:25:35 s/mpc/mpd May 09 17:29:56 ohho May 09 17:30:16 the shortcuts on the side will make ncmpc awesome May 09 17:30:34 I tried it, initial setup screen is too big so I'm jacking the config file on my computer. May 09 17:30:35 Cool May 09 17:32:30 how do you bind a space key? May 09 17:33:08 Try GDK_KP_Space May 09 17:33:42 Or GDK_space or KP_Space :/ May 09 17:34:40 KP_Space May 09 17:34:48 thanks May 09 17:34:48 Skeen May 09 17:34:52 Bye May 09 17:35:00 bye? May 09 17:35:06 Yeah, I gtg :) May 09 17:35:09 kk May 09 17:35:10 see ya May 09 17:35:21 :) May 09 17:49:48 hi May 09 17:50:02 Folks - got an answer to our CF chip discussion earlier May 09 17:50:50 CF card buses /are/ pcmcia (not IDE), but they contain circuitry to act as a IDE controller May 09 17:51:05 s/they/CF media/ May 09 17:51:05 unixSnob meant: CF card buses /are/ pcmcia (not IDE), but CF media contain circuitry to act as a IDE controller May 09 17:51:09 should I install 64 bit or 32 bit ubuntu if I plan to use maemo on scratchbox ? May 09 17:53:22 canola2 really doesnt like 2008he :( May 09 17:55:49 eero, 32bit May 09 18:05:43 ok May 09 18:16:36 I am getting a crash in tablet-encode. Any ideas why it would happen? May 09 18:16:49 An X11-related crash the very moment it tries showing a window May 09 18:23:27 Can anybody tell me who/when launches udhcpc? I would like to set my hostname through DHCP, so I need to change its command line somehow... May 09 18:31:05 zap: this may help http://udhcp.busybox.net/README.udhcpc May 09 18:34:29 I found that udhcpc is started by /usr/sbin/icd May 09 18:34:48 so basically there's no way to modify udhcpc command line May 09 18:35:06 except replacing /sbin/udhcpc with my script, and renaming the original binary to udhcpc.bin May 09 18:35:20 which I did, and which works :) May 09 18:35:41 http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4508 May 09 18:35:42 hehe May 09 18:35:55 endless reboot loop, now available for m$ windows too! May 09 18:35:57 ;) May 09 18:45:23 hello, kot May 09 18:45:32 Heh, you have found that article too May 09 18:45:41 :) May 09 18:45:57 Why did I see it happen from the very beginning? =) May 09 18:46:16 just because? May 09 18:46:17 ;) May 09 18:47:55 * lcuk checks to see if anyone notices May 09 18:48:36 notices what? May 09 18:48:39 :) May 09 18:48:56 ermmm it wasnt me May 09 18:49:09 what have you done? May 09 18:49:10 :) May 09 18:49:40 :D heh, i completely borkened the ssh session and the 810 with some kind of rampant memory string May 09 18:49:49 :) May 09 18:49:55 130fps conversion rate May 09 18:50:03 and in the course of doing this i think ive broken font rendering May 09 18:50:12 :) May 09 18:50:13 lcuk the barbarian May 09 18:50:30 it renders *some* glyphs fine May 09 18:50:42 but others are ermmm strange to say the least May 09 18:51:18 looks like corruption May 09 18:51:27 researcher John Shalf explained the purpose and some of the technical details of the newly-announced "iPod supercomputer". "Microprocessors from portable electronics like iPods could yield low-cost, low-power supercomputers for specialized scientific applications, according to computer scientist John Shalf. May 09 18:51:44 low-power supercomputer? May 09 18:51:52 as in low mips, or low watts? May 09 18:52:07 Ah, the distance at which some scientists will get gov grants to buy iPods... May 09 18:52:32 kot, kinetic scrolling this book is great May 09 18:52:37 KotCzarny: as in `whatever, not going to build one' May 09 18:52:55 better use c2d's or something May 09 18:53:01 lcuk: /me purrs :) May 09 18:54:00 Man dressed as tree robs bank May 09 18:54:01 lol May 09 18:54:27 *Not* penis this time? May 09 18:54:32 nope, deffo code. i just put last nights back and its working May 09 19:08:30 ugh May 09 19:08:32 ffs May 09 19:08:37 ncmpc won't run May 09 19:08:51 keeps complaining about "Error opening terminal: xterm" :( May 09 19:09:06 install ncurses package May 09 19:09:10 did May 09 19:09:15 and something else May 09 19:09:18 i forgot the name May 09 19:10:25 ncurses-base? May 09 19:10:43 ncurses-term? May 09 19:11:01 afair i had the same error May 09 19:11:17 and it needed only installing some package May 09 19:12:04 yeah May 09 19:12:06 it was ncurses-base May 09 19:18:59 * lcuk knows what he did May 09 19:24:46 Any idea what KP the > is? May 09 19:25:29 I want to give it a shortcut in the toolbar May 09 19:25:41 Hi! Is it possible to use Maemo Mapper in the Linux system? May 09 19:26:10 I'm trying to compile maemo mapper in my Arch Linux, but i can't find package conic May 09 19:27:24 it's nokia's package May 09 19:27:36 connection related May 09 19:27:54 There are probably better desktop mapping proggies anyways May 09 19:28:21 KotCzarny: So can i get it from somewhere? May 09 19:28:48 Navi: But i want to try Maemo mapper. :) May 09 19:28:49 unlikely May 09 19:29:04 you would need to hack the source May 09 19:29:10 and rip out maemo-specific parts May 09 19:29:42 KotCzarny: I don't do it, i give up May 09 19:29:47 too hard for me May 09 19:29:52 :) May 09 19:30:02 you can try asking the author May 09 19:30:19 he has said something about x86 version in the future May 09 19:30:26 but nothing specific May 09 19:30:44 KotCzarny: Okey. May 09 19:31:23 you can try running it in sdk too May 09 19:31:42 KotCzarny: I try tomorrov, now i go to bed May 09 19:31:57 v --> w May 09 19:47:06 http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3042/ncmpcxz8.png May 09 19:47:10 woo May 09 19:47:42 ncmpc maemo edition? May 09 19:47:52 It's just the standard ncmpc May 09 19:48:02 what's at the right of it? May 09 19:48:09 ah, xterm :) May 09 19:48:12 yeah May 09 19:48:28 your fonts seems a little f*d up May 09 19:48:38 it is May 09 19:48:49 I haven't gotten around to putting fonts on May 09 19:48:59 why you would like to use a proportional font in terminal? :) May 09 19:49:11 monospace is the true font for it May 09 19:49:30 I was playing with fonts a few days ago May 09 19:49:36 that were already on the device May 09 19:49:50 I wonder what fonts are by default May 09 19:49:57 i have a URW Gothic font in gnome terminal it looks quite cool May 09 19:49:59 reinstalling my apps were a higher prioraty than fonts May 09 19:50:02 * zap apt-get install ttf-dejavu May 09 19:50:04 not very readable, but looks fancy May 09 19:50:08 lol May 09 19:50:11 I've seen that font :P May 09 19:50:20 * KotCzarny uses roman font on console May 09 19:50:33 my font of choice is terminus May 09 19:53:23 hmm, osso-xterm does not see my dejavu fonts May 09 19:53:55 proposes to choose only between sans, serif and monospace May 09 19:54:36 mmm May 09 20:33:36 Woo May 09 20:33:38 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19901 May 09 20:33:53 25 bucks to the first person who runs microb in kde May 09 20:34:25 like, actually working. May 09 20:42:27 Navi: But why? May 09 20:42:43 Why what? May 09 20:48:08 RST38h, oh, KDE. May 09 20:48:17 Better than Konqueror? May 09 20:48:19 :P May 09 21:03:19 First, they bend out of their way to make KDE run on Maemo May 09 21:03:31 Now, they want to run Maemo apps on KDE May 09 21:03:54 jerks. May 09 21:04:04 girlies. May 09 21:04:30 i need a quiet 40mm fan May 09 21:04:52 anyone with practical knowledge of topic? May 09 21:06:54 quiet, and 40mm fan does not go together normally May 09 21:06:59 i know May 09 21:06:59 unless it is underpowered May 09 21:07:04 i have silent ones - underpowered May 09 21:07:07 underpowered is ok May 09 21:07:10 ok May 09 21:07:19 i have already connected 2 in serial May 09 21:07:28 what are you doing? would an aluminum passive heatsink suffice? May 09 21:07:53 kt-: i have toshiba magnia sg20 that i would like to silence May 09 21:08:00 not much space inside May 09 21:09:43 i have found 1 fdb fan manufacturer May 09 21:09:55 but from reviews it's blades are unbalanced May 09 21:19:04 KotCzarny, silentpcreview.com? May 09 21:19:29 lets see May 09 21:20:03 http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=40mmpapst May 09 21:20:14 a silentpcreview post brougth me here.. May 09 21:20:18 brought May 09 21:20:25 thx May 09 21:40:31 is it possible to do tcp/ip networking over usb with the n810? my ipaq did this under windows through activesync May 09 21:40:42 yes May 09 21:40:44 yes May 09 21:40:49 :) May 09 21:40:49 too late lol May 09 21:40:55 :) May 09 21:41:18 perfect, i tried to search ITT but kept stumbling on articles for cell phones May 09 21:41:41 im guessing its covered there i just need to refine my searches May 09 21:41:54 i think it's as simple as loading proper module and doing ifconfig May 09 21:42:01 Check the maemo.org wiki on setting up usbnet. theres a section on iptables May 09 21:42:27 Also, I think Kate Alhola went into this on her blog. May 09 21:42:50 cool May 09 21:42:52 thanks May 09 21:43:11 usbnet is the magic word May 09 21:43:23 :) May 09 21:44:36 Now I figured out I can compile pidgin plugins, I *have* to get guifications. May 09 21:46:52 guifications? May 09 21:47:13 ah its a plugin May 09 21:47:33 yep :) May 09 21:48:46 do you have problems with pidgeon when it is iconified? I will not get messages unless it's minimized vs iconbar May 09 21:49:25 im guessing its a "hildonized issue" May 09 21:49:44 I don't think so but then I use it minimised anyway :) May 09 21:49:50 i do as well May 09 21:50:28 messages will not pop into the forground May 09 21:50:59 either way its nice, the n810 is very charming, i adore every glitch :-D May 09 21:51:00 qwerty12_N800 May 09 21:51:11 Atarii? May 09 21:51:28 has any progress been made on wolf 3d or has the torch been handed down? May 09 21:51:50 qwerty12_N800, hai again May 09 21:51:56 NullM0dem, :). However much I want to beat it up, I wub my n800 May 09 21:52:01 Navi, hi May 09 21:52:05 qwerty12_N800, http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/3042/ncmpcxz8.png May 09 21:52:22 Atarii, I may try again May 09 21:52:31 Thanks for linking that xterm :D May 09 21:52:45 how do you bind the <> keys though? May 09 21:52:50 Navi, Nice! Np :) May 09 21:52:51 I can't do prev/next without them May 09 21:53:05 No idea, I'll take a look May 09 21:55:07 nice May 09 21:55:54 Anyone try out the newest Mediabox? May 09 21:56:04 the playlist feature makes it nice May 09 22:00:30 Navi, For > it is "greater". For < , I think it's "less" May 09 22:01:14 I'll give it a try May 09 22:01:34 I really need to improve my maths, I forgot > = greater than >.> May 09 22:01:42 Haha May 09 22:03:23 Isn't working May 09 22:03:43 nevermind May 09 22:03:45 case sensitive May 09 22:04:28 yeah May 09 22:04:30 it's less May 09 22:04:41 cool May 09 22:05:39 Atarii, I may do a bit of work on wolf to make it playable (make the mouse actually work, run fullscreen) but as you saw from my rott work,I'm useless. May 09 22:06:36 woo i look forward to it May 09 22:06:51 i played wolf3d so much more than doom when i was younger May 09 22:07:26 I played Chex Quest more than the rest May 09 22:07:35 Chex Quest was awesome May 09 22:08:49 It will be nothing special, just the basics and the rest will probably have to be taken over by a proper dev. Menus need fixing, also using the touchscreen to shoot empties the clip >.> and it runs in 1/4 screen. May 09 22:09:12 I think you can still get chex off hotu May 09 22:09:25 It's a doom TC, so it should work :P May 09 22:10:51 What does it say 'bout your music titles when conky takes over the desktop? :p May 09 22:11:37 that comic sans 72 pt was a bad choice? May 09 22:11:56 yes. May 09 22:12:21 lol close, nokia sans at 13pt :p. ok, not so close... May 09 22:13:11 :D May 09 22:13:57 so, knowing this is a linux people channel mostly, i'm going to ask a possibly dumb question: does anyone have a favorite/trusted NTFS file recovery/undeletion program? May 09 22:14:42 rm_you, to run on windows or linux May 09 22:14:45 aii!!!!!! u dare mention ntfs? arrrrrghhhhh :p. May 09 22:14:58 either >_> May 09 22:15:12 one of my friends deleted a 15 page paper >_> May 09 22:15:29 and apparently it didn't go in the recycle bin... i'm still getting the whole story May 09 22:15:33 just do a google search, most are read only anyway and let you view things before starting May 09 22:15:35 ex friend May 09 22:15:47 I think she deleted an entire folder of stuff and it was too big for the recycle bin >_> May 09 22:15:54 is it vista or xp rm_you? May 09 22:15:57 vista May 09 22:15:59 vista has shadow copy May 09 22:16:05 right click the folder it was in May 09 22:16:06 ? May 09 22:16:13 then goto "Previous versions" May 09 22:16:16 not on home premuium May 09 22:16:22 it is probably ultimate May 09 22:16:26 (spelling) May 09 22:16:27 out school gives out ultimate >_> May 09 22:16:28 ah May 09 22:16:34 s/out/our/ May 09 22:16:35 rm_you meant: our school gives out ultimate >_> May 09 22:16:46 nice we only got business May 09 22:16:59 but yea goto Previous Versions and open the top one May 09 22:17:00 heh, what i like here is the deep knowledge of MS versions and special features yet you mock and deride them :P May 09 22:17:03 hopefully it will be there May 09 22:17:21 i thought slash was bad May 09 22:17:23 im a Windows fanboy May 09 22:17:25 lol May 09 22:17:26 * Atarii runs May 09 22:17:31 I got home premium but i h8 it so I use xp. May 09 22:17:37 I wouldn't feel comfortable mocking Windoze if I didn't know a lot about it :P May 09 22:17:48 ill be hacking on 810 soon enough :) May 09 22:17:58 for 810, with 810 May 09 22:19:43 My friend nearly got sprung when I showed him conkytakes running on my n800. May 09 22:19:54 s/conkytakes/conky/ May 09 22:19:54 qwerty12_N800 meant: My friend nearly got sprung when I showed him conky running on my n800. May 09 22:21:01 Probably that, kde & canola are my show off stuff. May 09 22:21:24 conky? May 09 22:21:34 * rm_you has been out of the scene for too long >_> May 09 22:21:39 System monitor thing May 09 22:21:50 anyone here, not idling, have success with canola2 on 2008he? May 09 22:22:07 rm_you, I went and compiled it, check the screenies on it May 09 22:22:16 s/it/itt May 09 22:29:55 conky!!! May 09 22:30:01 :P May 09 22:30:08 screenies :p May 09 22:30:16 It's output needs to be appletized May 09 22:30:31 Check the thread, i'm 2 tired 2 link :p May 09 22:30:38 ill look it up May 09 22:33:00 * qwerty12_N800 has been going mpd crazy May 09 22:37:18 MPD rocks May 09 22:37:34 Fo sure! :p :) May 09 22:38:18 i just orderd a small embedded arm baord to use as a mpd server :) May 09 22:38:30 baord = board May 09 22:38:41 Cool :) May 09 22:39:06 500mhz arm 512 ram sata May 09 22:39:26 i could pedal power that as well as the n810 :-D May 09 22:39:46 non stop mpd action May 09 22:39:47 I went and compiled gimmix earlier. Tooltip information about currently playing track in system tray is nice. May 09 22:39:56 Wow, nice :) May 09 22:40:41 i have had my n810 for aover a wek and just got root yesterday :( Working too much these days May 09 22:41:28 gimix is nice May 09 22:42:31 Except for missing icons and small volume control, it worl May 09 22:42:37 works ok May 09 22:42:51 cool May 09 22:43:55 mmpc is better though imo (more maemo suited) but Navi's ncurses client looks good too (no, not a hint to get it :p) May 09 22:56:33 ill check it out, I have a book on ncurses programming, bought it to do that very same thing ;) May 09 22:56:53 whats the name of navis client? May 09 22:57:08 i need to launch an xterm and set the font size reliably May 09 22:57:14 from script May 09 22:57:21 -fn something May 09 22:57:46 hrmmm May 09 23:10:47 KotCzarny: the ThinkGeek 8-bit tie http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/hats-ties/9352/ May 09 23:10:55 ... i am in AWE May 09 23:11:01 i have seen it already May 09 23:11:06 :) May 09 23:11:06 back May 09 23:11:56 * jldiaz has got his n810 usb in host mode for first time May 09 23:13:31 breakfast time May 09 23:14:32 is it usb 2.0? May 09 23:15:27 Of course. May 09 23:17:12 that tie is awesome lol May 09 23:18:42 I connected my thumbdrive without problem. However... what is the simplest way of unmounting it? May 09 23:19:12 I issued as root "umount /media/usb/sda1", but there must have a simpler way May 09 23:19:59 (must be) May 09 23:20:07 well, you can try adding it to personal menu May 09 23:20:08 ;) May 09 23:20:29 there is no simpler way? From the file manager, for example? May 09 23:20:58 <|thunder> wassup party ppl May 09 23:21:02 <|thunder> got a Q May 09 23:21:21 jldiaz: file manager would call umount too May 09 23:21:22 <|thunder> Can maemo act as a pulse audio client/server ? May 09 23:21:47 I tried the contextual menu holding the stylus on the mounted filesystem, but in that menu there is no "umount" option May 09 23:21:56 <|thunder> that would be tits if i could use my n800 as a pulse audio client.. May 09 23:22:07 mmmm, tits May 09 23:22:12 <|thunder> umount not working ? May 09 23:22:29 <|thunder> use mount to see it May 09 23:22:34 <|thunder> and umount to unmount it May 09 23:22:47 yes, that's what I did May 09 23:22:57 <|thunder> no working ? May 09 23:22:57 but it requires command line and root access May 09 23:23:02 yes it worked May 09 23:23:10 <|thunder> ohh, you want it auto mated May 09 23:23:12 but I was wondering if there is any GUI oriented way May 09 23:23:16 not root if you add it into /etc/fstab May 09 23:23:16 <|thunder> try 'wizard mounter' May 09 23:23:39 aha, good tip KotCzarny May 09 23:23:59 btw, how can I have sudo working? May 09 23:24:11 <|thunder> os2008 ? May 09 23:24:17 yes May 09 23:24:29 <|thunder> its already there May 09 23:24:35 <|thunder> just run 'sudo gainroot' May 09 23:24:40 is there, but never worked for me May 09 23:24:41 <|thunder> if you see a # insted of a $ your good May 09 23:24:49 yes, I can gainroot May 09 23:24:55 I installed "easyroot" May 09 23:25:03 which provides the command "root" May 09 23:25:09 <|thunder> gain root is easiest May 09 23:25:12 he wants to sudo umount from a script or menu item May 09 23:25:16 or ssh root@localhost May 09 23:25:17 which basically does a "sudo gainroot" May 09 23:25:20 jldiaz: visudo ? May 09 23:25:21 without using shell May 09 23:25:22 <|thunder> but I like just plain old sudo lie in ubuntu May 09 23:25:32 but sudo doesnt work on other commands May 09 23:25:35 for example umount May 09 23:25:39 <|thunder> easy May 09 23:25:43 visudo? I'll google that May 09 23:25:52 jldiaz: it's a command to edit sudo config May 09 23:26:12 <|thunder> echo umount /dev/whatever | sudo gainroot May 09 23:26:48 aha, I'm seeing it now KotCzarny May 09 23:26:55 * KotCzarny almost never used sudo May 09 23:26:57 <|thunder> sounds like a bunch of extra foot work when echoing will do May 09 23:27:29 |thunder that was also a nice tip May 09 23:28:42 Hey, do you know how I connected my thumbdrive to my n810? I did not use a usb female-female adaptor, because there are not available in my town, and ordering one through internet would take too long to arrive May 09 23:29:39 <|thunder> are you asking how to do it without a f-f connector ? May 09 23:29:55 No, I want to share with you how I did it without one May 09 23:30:25 I found at a local store an USB B-male to A-female adaptor May 09 23:30:56 and recalled having a USB hub, with a B-female connection May 09 23:31:18 so I plugged into it the adaptor I bought May 09 23:31:33 and the nokia cable into the other side of the adapter, and the n810 May 09 23:31:42 this way, my hub was connected to my n810 May 09 23:31:56 and I have four A-female ports in the n810 May 09 23:33:23 nokia(micro USB female)-Nokia cable-Cheap adapter(MA-FB)-Hub May 09 23:33:33 what type of hub? May 09 23:34:13 do you ask the brand? It is "trust" May 09 23:34:39 or are you asking if it has his own source power? It does May 09 23:34:42 is it a normal usb hub or a mains powered one? May 09 23:34:59 must be powered May 09 23:35:15 it has an input for plugging a power source May 09 23:35:26 but in my first attempt I didn't plugged it May 09 23:35:49 I only plugged a thumbdrive. Is it too much consumption for the n810? May 09 23:35:57 100mA May 09 23:36:12 and remember hub also takes some power May 09 23:36:16 is 100mA enough to power the hub and the drive? May 09 23:36:23 do lsusb May 09 23:36:31 should be available on pc May 09 23:36:43 there you will see powere reqs for usb devices May 09 23:36:48 i mean lsusb -v May 09 23:37:12 apparently there is also a lsusb command on nokia May 09 23:37:18 I mean, on the tablet May 09 23:37:36 but it doesn't print anything May 09 23:37:52 mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb May 09 23:37:55 or something May 09 23:38:04 in fact, apparently it hung my tablet May 09 23:39:40 cool the new microb engine seems faster May 09 23:40:21 the one thing that would make it killer is if adobe made flash run faster May 09 23:40:33 flash is so slow May 09 23:40:37 even on my desktop May 09 23:41:04 yeah May 09 23:41:07 flash bites May 09 23:41:46 aha, lsusb works on tablet May 09 23:42:38 but it dumps a lot of informatio... the line of interest is the one labelled MaxPower? May 09 23:42:43 probably May 09 23:42:47 gasp May 09 23:42:52 200mA for the drive May 09 23:42:58 plus 100mA for the hub May 09 23:43:11 it's usually max power May 09 23:43:18 200mA for a thumbdrive is too much, isnt? May 09 23:43:23 normal May 09 23:43:40 my sandisk 256mb stick lists 200mA too May 09 23:44:10 then, basically, you can't plug anything into the usb port of the n810... May 09 23:44:29 not without powered hub/injection May 09 23:44:46 and thus the f-f solution is not valid May 09 23:45:08 it is, assuming power reqs May 09 23:45:10 which, however, is what all people apparently uses May 09 23:45:47 yes, of course, what I mean is that, since a modest thumdrive already exceeds the power reqs, the f-f solution has not much practical value May 09 23:46:02 not really May 09 23:46:11 KotCzarny: but what about plugging in an n800 to an n810? May 09 23:46:13 keyboard May 09 23:46:15 for example May 09 23:46:19 how much a keyboard consumes? May 09 23:46:37 mousey: how much n8x0 usb is rated? May 09 23:46:38 I'm planning to buy one, what should I take into account? May 09 23:46:45 jldiaz: specs May 09 23:46:52 should be printed on the bottom May 09 23:46:53 :) May 09 23:46:57 :) May 09 23:46:57 KotCzarny: i donno, i was just thinking, say isn't an n800 self-powered? May 09 23:47:03 or just rip out leds May 09 23:47:09 to lower reqs a little May 09 23:47:18 do you know about these flexible keyboards? May 09 23:47:32 mousey: as i said, don't know, connect nokia to ps and do lsusb -v there May 09 23:47:40 jldiaz: afaic, the keyboard on the n810 is the only reason i got one May 09 23:47:41 jldiaz: i use bt one May 09 23:48:08 i can walk around campus with a tethered phone and never have to look up from pidgin with the n810 keyboard May 09 23:48:29 Mousey, I'm happy with the n810 keyboard May 09 23:48:31 and/or xchat, and whatever else i'm doing, including listening to music May 09 23:48:44 it is great for typing while walking, or standing, or laying in bed May 09 23:48:56 yah, the n810's keyboard wasn when i decided nokia truely needed my monies May 09 23:49:29 but recently I've found myself more frequently typing in the n810 keyboard while sitting in a desktop May 09 23:49:38 and there, I missed a real keyboard May 09 23:49:58 this is my main motivation for trying the usb host mode May 09 23:50:04 i do some development using vnc to my n810 May 09 23:50:15 so it just sits there on my desk May 09 23:50:19 vo, me too May 09 23:50:26 and vi through ssh May 09 23:50:34 mc is better May 09 23:50:35 :) May 09 23:50:47 but sometimes I do not have a desktop computer nearby May 09 23:50:55 only my n810, my phone and me :-) May 09 23:51:06 no girls allowed? May 09 23:51:06 ;) May 09 23:51:13 :) May 09 23:52:23 grrr, I can't test a keyboard over usb. All keyboards I have nearby now are ps2 May 09 23:52:40 some are compatible with usb May 09 23:52:46 assuming you have an adapter May 09 23:52:50 supposedly it is only to plug and play? May 09 23:52:58 no configuration or tweaking needed? May 09 23:53:10 afair, noe May 09 23:53:11 no May 09 23:53:17 amazing May 09 23:53:21 I can't wait May 09 23:53:32 but i can be wrong May 09 23:53:40 because i haven't tested it May 09 23:53:43 I tried to plug a mouse, but nothing happened May 09 23:54:05 is it possible to have maemo to display a mouse pointer? May 09 23:54:10 yes May 09 23:54:11 yes May 09 23:54:17 There are a few threads on ITT on it May 09 23:54:29 for a simple solution rename cursors folder in /usr/share May 09 23:54:30 I have to check that May 09 23:54:34 and reboot May 09 23:55:01 this can be useful in combination with the wiimote control May 09 23:55:10 and x11vnc May 09 23:55:32 what would i use if i wanted to move my mouse and type on my keyboard but the presses are forewarded to my 810 May 09 23:55:57 x2x May 09 23:55:59 not the screen though ,its still useful seeing big monitor above May 09 23:56:20 lcuk, I don't quite understand you May 09 23:56:27 or vnc May 09 23:56:28 :) May 09 23:57:09 im typing now on my desktop, can i run a tiny program here in windows which when its got focus will make the PC keyboard send over keystrokes direct to the 810 and also send mouse moves to it as well May 09 23:57:12 synergy lcdd May 09 23:57:15 lcuk* May 09 23:57:52 lcuk: for symulating x events just look into xvkbd/xkbd source May 09 23:57:58 *simulating May 09 23:58:06 ive seen videos of similar with cross platform multi headed mice May 09 23:58:10 KotCzarny, did you refer to /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent/cursors May 09 23:58:12 ? May 09 23:58:19 jldiaz: probably May 09 23:58:22 Atarii, thanks ill take a peek May 09 23:59:03 that will be the fastest way to get data into the little device when anything else wont do May 09 23:59:04 lcuk, probably X-window platforms May 09 23:59:15 any good software out there for controlling a PC with Maemo? like, to make the tablet into a BT KB/Mouse, etc? May 09 23:59:25 vnc May 09 23:59:26 :) May 09 23:59:35 marbles is hurting my brain May 09 23:59:40 ahh May 09 23:59:40 the closest solution using windows is to run x11vnc in the tablet and a vnc client in windos May 09 23:59:42 I beat marbles May 09 23:59:47 i bet you did May 09 23:59:49 :-P May 09 23:59:54 a day later, I had to reflash May 09 23:59:58 I was very disappointed May 10 00:00:01 vo, also x2x May 10 00:00:02 kids, stop playing with your marbles May 10 00:00:12 jldiaz, well the other other way around, to control a PC. For example, in a presentation May 10 00:00:24 vo, if you PC is a linux box with x2x installed, you don't require anyting else in your tablet May 10 00:00:28 yeah that's a let down May 10 00:00:33 except a ssh client May 10 00:00:40 navi: how long did it take ? May 10 00:00:55 1 c May 10 00:00:56 er May 10 00:00:58 i c May 10 00:01:27 vo, you can also have a vnc server in the PC, and vnc client in the tablet May 10 00:01:46 you can control your pc from the tablet, and furthermore, see a reduced version of the PC screen in the tablet May 10 00:01:58 (reduced or magnified, as you prefer) May 10 00:02:08 actually reason i ask is that one of the professors at the school I work at needs some way to do net-classes, and the in-classroom system doesn't have a pen for writing on the screen May 10 00:02:16 so he figured that using his N800 he could run the whole thing May 10 00:02:24 vnc can do shared sessions May 10 00:02:36 with view-only option too May 10 00:02:39 jldiaz, the scaling requires server sized resize support May 10 00:02:45 i think May 10 00:03:01 lcuk, correct. But I use x11vnc which allows any scale factor May 10 00:03:14 cool May 10 00:03:39 sometimes I use 0.7 as scale factor, if I want to see all the PC screen in the tablet May 10 00:03:57 other times I use 1.5 scale factor, if I want to read comfortably May 10 00:04:13 i view a reduced vnc from work to see home desktop May 10 00:05:42 supersize your vnc! May 10 00:15:24 no, then it has scrollbars, work and home desktops are same res May 10 00:15:37 just kidding May 10 00:15:38 :) May 10 00:15:58 i know, i am v tired May 10 00:16:08 but making remarkable progress in my head May 10 00:29:32 I'm unable of running applications in the tablet with the DISPLAY set to a different host May 10 00:29:58 ssh -X tablet doesnt work either May 10 00:29:58 check firewall and xhost on target machine? May 10 00:30:07 hmm... firewall... May 10 00:30:24 it is iptables, I never remember the syntax May 10 00:31:14 anyway, apparently I do not have reject rules May 10 00:31:29 Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) May 10 00:31:30 target prot opt source destination May 10 00:31:30 ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED May 10 00:31:56 moreover, using a ssh tunnel, firewalls should not be an issue May 10 00:32:21 however, when I do from the PC "ssh -X tablet", and then echo $DISPLAY in the tablet, I get :0.0 May 10 00:32:35 this is not what it is supposed to expect May 10 00:37:40 gotta sleep May 10 00:47:31 Good evening May 10 00:48:00 Hi have a question maybe one of you can answer it? May 10 00:48:17 How did the guy get it to see the boot log on his n800? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlG7jnXUCTI May 10 00:48:51 It'll be great if someone could give me a hint how this is done May 10 00:51:18 no one an idea May 10 00:54:27 <|thunder> prolly in /var/log somewhere May 10 00:54:31 <|thunder> messages perhaps May 10 00:54:38 <|thunder> or maybe you mean 'dmesg' May 10 00:55:00 <|thunder> goto console, and run dmesg > dmesg.txt May 10 01:28:56 <|thunder> wow, chan died May 10 02:51:22 thunder take a look on the link i added then you know what i mean ;) May 10 02:52:49 Sorry to bother, but I can't find where the power settings for the Nokia 770 are stored. Can someone help? May 10 02:53:29 "power settings"? May 10 02:54:17 Not sure the actual term. There is a drop down with two sets of options under Control Panel > Display May 10 02:58:57 I would like to edit the raw values because I can't select a value high enough from the values given **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 10 02:59:57 2008