**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 14 02:59:57 2008
May 14 03:12:15 <n800n> evince = good?
May 14 03:12:37 <GeneralAntilles> Fastest PDF reader on the platform
May 14 03:12:43 <n800n> safe?
May 14 03:13:39 <GeneralAntilles> Uh . . .
May 14 03:13:41 <GeneralAntilles> Why wouldn't it be?
May 14 03:14:15 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus
May 14 03:14:19 <n800n> less weird sounding apps broke my tablet before
May 14 03:14:39 <GeneralAntilles> dunno what weird naming has to do with breaking things. :\
May 14 03:14:53 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, it could be a virus
May 14 03:14:59 <GeneralAntilles> Navi, you're a virus.
May 14 03:15:18 <Navi> Viruses always have weird names
May 14 03:15:22 <n800n> i didn't say name
May 14 03:17:46 <n800n> whatever.
May 14 03:17:59 <rm_you> :P
May 14 03:39:39 <n800n> how do i make xmms not stay on top?
May 14 03:39:50 <rm_you> that there's a question :P
May 14 03:39:57 * rm_you hasn't figured it out
May 14 03:40:20 <rm_you> i think there's something about turning on window decorations
May 14 03:40:27 <rm_you> in one of the menus... lemmie see if i can find the post
May 14 03:40:37 <n800n> thanks
May 14 03:41:08 <n800n> btw which siund driver is the best?
May 14 03:41:13 <n800n> sound
May 14 03:41:26 <rm_you> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11892&page=22
May 14 03:41:33 <rm_you> look at qwerty12's posts
May 14 03:41:43 <n800n> checkin
May 14 03:42:10 <pupnik> can you look at these hd videos and tell me if you think they look ok? http://techvideoblog.com/cebit/odys-cheap-hd-camcorders/
May 14 03:42:14 <rm_you> i think that does something useful
May 14 03:42:45 <rm_you> <_<
May 14 03:43:37 <pupnik> i don't know much about hd picture quality
May 14 03:45:12 <Proteous> luckly pupnik does know loads about how to assemble large structures out of toothpicks
May 14 03:45:18 <Proteous> a much more valuable skill
May 14 03:45:44 <n800n> is xmms a resource hog?
May 14 03:46:07 <pupnik> no
May 14 03:46:08 <n800n> seems to stutter every time i touch the screen
May 14 03:46:12 <Proteous> depends on how large a resource pool is
May 14 03:46:24 <pupnik> no stuttering here
May 14 03:46:36 <pupnik> what file format / bitrate
May 14 03:46:49 <n800n> streaming off shoutcast
May 14 03:46:55 <Proteous> 1280x1080 90FPS
May 14 03:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, what's the question?
May 14 03:47:46 <Proteous> I am not a number, I am a free man!
May 14 03:47:59 <GeneralAntilles> Lies!
May 14 03:48:05 * GeneralAntilles scans Proteous's barcode
May 14 03:48:12 <pupnik> n800n: i haven't used it for shoutcast.  perhaps you should increase buffers
May 14 03:48:31 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: if you have any experience with HD camcorders lemme know if something looks fishy about that
May 14 03:48:41 <pupnik> i have to film emus - can't present them live at linuxtag
May 14 03:48:52 <GeneralAntilles> I don't buy it.
May 14 03:49:04 <Proteous> I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered!
May 14 03:49:06 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't really looked in about a year and a half.
May 14 03:49:39 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I'd just get yourself a Canon digicam
May 14 03:50:07 <GeneralAntilles> They're filming in a very well lit area
May 14 03:50:21 <GeneralAntilles> I can pretty much guarantee that the low light sensitivity wont hold up.
May 14 03:51:23 <GeneralAntilles> What camera are you using now?
May 14 03:52:46 <n800n> buffer's not it
May 14 03:52:49 * elb just found out that a fair MiniDV camera can be had for under $300
May 14 03:53:04 <elb> I plan to get one of those, then look at HD cams in a few years when they've settled
May 14 03:53:30 <GeneralAntilles> Really, you may be able to get away with an simple still camera with video functionality.
May 14 03:53:35 <GeneralAntilles> Those are pretty good these days.
May 14 03:55:03 <pupnik> hermblgh
May 14 03:55:11 <pupnik> mine sucks
May 14 03:55:49 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/Tyrian_on_N810_demo.avi
May 14 03:55:57 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: think i can get away with that quality?
May 14 03:57:28 <MajMin7> does anyone here have any experience connecting to the gpsd?
May 14 03:57:47 <MajMin7> i have a problem where I always read 0 bytes from the gpsd socket
May 14 03:57:56 <GeneralAntilles> What's that filmed with, pupnik?
May 14 03:58:52 <pupnik> fuji F30
May 14 04:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, my recommendation would be to take the N810 to some sort of electronics shop and do some recordings with various stuff
May 14 04:01:32 <GeneralAntilles> Real camcorders and digital cameras.
May 14 04:01:50 <GeneralAntilles> See what's got good macro focus
May 14 04:02:19 <GeneralAntilles> My guess is that a Canon A-series might actually do the trick.
May 14 04:02:38 <GeneralAntilles> Or play with some of Canon's lower-end camcorders.
May 14 04:02:53 <GeneralAntilles> You don't need no scammy HD camcorder. ;)
May 14 04:03:39 <rm_you> but... HD is the future! :P
May 14 04:03:47 * rm_you doesn't watch anything lower than 720p anymore
May 14 04:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> Only if you've got access to 4k laser scanners and 35mm or $50k HD cameras. ;)
May 14 04:04:44 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, no, these days you could get away with about $5k
May 14 04:04:45 <GeneralAntilles> still
May 14 04:16:21 <pupnik> ok ordered.  90 euro 18 cent
May 14 04:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> What'd you get?
May 14 04:18:06 <pupnik> http://www.promarkt.de/item/6854/1594/0/429256/odys-mdvhd-8.html  Odys MDV-HD 8  1280x720 (720p) @ 30fps with macro and portrait focus
May 14 04:20:42 <GeneralAntilles> lol
May 14 04:20:44 <GeneralAntilles> Good luck. . . .
May 14 04:22:02 <n800n> cute
May 14 04:22:38 <pupnik> 80 cent
May 14 04:24:44 <n800n> my n800 won't play the avi
May 14 04:25:11 <GeneralAntilles> It's 1080i
May 14 04:27:07 <n800n> why
May 14 04:27:19 <n800n> whyyyyyyyy
May 14 04:27:37 <pupnik> duh
May 14 04:27:43 <pupnik> wait for N900 to play HD video
May 14 04:27:52 <n800n> oh yeah....
May 14 04:27:58 <n800n> that
May 14 04:28:25 <n800n> well what goid would it do w/o external video
May 14 04:29:19 <n800n> m....  the only thing i've never used my n800 for is video
May 14 04:29:33 <n800n> is there a way to play divx.
May 14 04:29:35 <n800n> ?
May 14 04:30:20 <pupnik> yes mplayer
May 14 04:30:45 <pupnik> crunch the vids to about 240 - 280 vertical lines
May 14 04:32:18 <n800n> will it do it or do i have to reenvide ?
May 14 04:32:27 <n800n> reencode
May 14 04:35:51 <GeneralAntilles> Take a guess, n800n. ;0
May 14 04:37:08 <n800n> that sucks
May 14 04:37:54 <pupnik> you will get dropouts at full resolution
May 14 04:38:39 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/VideoEncoding/
May 14 04:39:03 <pupnik> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/
May 14 04:39:18 <pupnik> besides, you can save a good amt of space crunching stuff down
May 14 04:39:43 <n800n> yeah
May 14 04:40:19 <n800n> flv seems to play ok
May 14 04:40:52 <pupnik> flv is usually 320x240
May 14 05:02:18 <n800n> is applet transparency % adjustable?
May 14 05:52:56 * qwerty111 blesses debian for their armel package
May 14 05:52:58 <acydlord> http://urltea.com/36of this might be interesting for gps maps
May 14 05:54:04 <GeneralAntilles> Your two split there, qwerty. ;)
May 14 05:54:49 <qwerty111> Yeah, my wifi card stopped working under linux. Stupid ndiswrapper. (I assume you mean there are two of me :))
May 14 05:55:29 <acydlord> use the ghost command to get rid of one of you
May 14 05:55:32 <GeneralAntilles> 12 -> 111 :P
May 14 05:56:05 <qwerty111> :P. acydlord, thanks, will check it out. I've never used IRC before this except for some xbins loving.
May 14 05:56:31 <GeneralAntilles>  /msg nickserv help
May 14 05:56:32 <acydlord> the command is /ns ghost <nick> <pass>
May 14 05:56:44 <GeneralAntilles> More specifically /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass>
May 14 05:56:50 <qwerty111> Thanks both, doing right now :)
May 14 05:56:52 <GeneralAntilles>  /ns is client specific, acydlord.
May 14 05:57:07 <acydlord> ahh yes, i forget about all the xchat aliases
May 14 05:57:39 <Stskeeps> johnx: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2 hereby mirrored
May 14 05:58:28 <ricko73> does Maemo use matchbox by default (or what is the wm?)
May 14 05:58:35 <qwerty111> yes, matchbox
May 14 05:58:49 <qwerty111> the desktop and side bits are called hildon-desktop
May 14 05:58:53 <ricko73> man, I remember when that project was first starting out
May 14 05:59:16 <qwerty111> they are both oss, just do apt-get source etc. But the applets aren't :/
May 14 05:59:19 <ricko73> we looked at using it in a carpc project
May 14 05:59:33 <ricko73> (back in 2002/2003)
May 14 05:59:36 <qwerty111> "-NickServ- [qwerty12] has been killed" - Sounds fun.
May 14 05:59:42 <qwerty111> Cool :)
May 14 06:00:07 <GeneralAntilles> You be dead, boy!
May 14 06:00:28 <qwerty111> No stabbing to make sure?
May 14 06:00:52 <qwerty111> :p
May 14 06:01:11 <ricko73> old picture:  http://www.djhsolutions.com/dashpc/gallery/V2.0/close_up.jpg
May 14 06:01:28 <GeneralAntilles> Car pc (well, Mac mini) is something I've always wanted to do
May 14 06:01:35 <GeneralAntilles> but the software side of things is really lacking.
May 14 06:02:12 <ricko73> GeneralAntilles: yeah, it could have been something.  The other guy involved in the project basically killed it because of greed
May 14 06:02:28 <GeneralAntilles> The hardware is all fine
May 14 06:02:33 <GeneralAntilles> but we really need some sort of awesome frontend.
May 14 06:02:38 <acydlord> i've built several car-pcs out of tiny formfactor computers or modded laptops
May 14 06:02:57 <GeneralAntilles> I have mine all planned out. Servos for AC control and everything. ;)
May 14 06:03:15 <ricko73> I had my blazer broken into while I had the PC in the dash
May 14 06:03:15 <acydlord> most awesome one i got to work on was in a prius
May 14 06:03:35 <acydlord> cause the climate control in the prius can be controlled by an ecm interface
May 14 06:03:36 <GeneralAntilles> The Prius LCD looks so bad with anything but the factory source. <_<
May 14 06:03:39 <ricko73> The idiots stole the $250 amp instead of the $2000 of pc equipment in the front/dash
May 14 06:03:44 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 14 06:03:53 <qwerty111> lmao
May 14 06:03:59 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, "idiots" is a good way to describe people who break into cars to steal radios. :P
May 14 06:04:21 <qwerty111> Reminds me when some idiots stole the front part of the radio but not the back part.
May 14 06:04:26 <ricko73> 15 feet from my bedroom with the car parked in my drive way
May 14 06:04:30 <acydlord> lol, my friend has a 17" widescreen touch panel over most of the center console
May 14 06:04:40 <acydlord> it's probably the only pimp looking prius
May 14 06:04:59 <ricko73> the renters on the other side of the duplex offered to sleep in the back seat because the first attempt (of the theft) was not successful
May 14 06:05:02 <GeneralAntilles> Those cars make me laugh.
May 14 06:05:09 <GeneralAntilles> Get better gas mileage with a diesel Jetta. :\
May 14 06:05:15 <qwerty111> They should make an alarm with a glock on it. "Step away from the vehicle in 5 seconds or im gonna shoot you motherfucker"
May 14 06:05:22 <acydlord> i must say, the mini cooper clubman makes me laugh
May 14 06:05:25 <ricko73> he is kind of a red neck so he was going to lay in there with a baseball bat
May 14 06:05:28 <acydlord> especially the clubman S
May 14 06:05:32 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 14 06:05:47 <acydlord> yeah, its a small hack to get around 100mpg out of a prius
May 14 06:05:56 <acydlord> i dont know why toyota doesnt do it
May 14 06:05:58 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty111, I like the car alarms with flame throwers underneath.
May 14 06:06:00 <RST38h> There was a flame thrower alarm in the South Africa
May 14 06:06:06 <GeneralAntilles> Jinx!
May 14 06:06:08 <RST38h> (when they sitll had cars)
May 14 06:06:21 <qwerty111> GeneralAntilles, that would be great muhahahaha
May 14 06:06:22 <benh> it gets scary when the car's computer gets more IQ than the driver
May 14 06:06:34 <benh> which is probably already the case with the average redneck
May 14 06:06:34 <qwerty111> Except when it lights the other parked cars on fire too...
May 14 06:06:39 <GeneralAntilles> Computers don't have IQ.
May 14 06:06:43 <acydlord> benh, like the lexus and toyota cars that track your eye movement and lid state?
May 14 06:06:45 <benh> GeneralAntilles: not yet :-)
May 14 06:06:58 <ricko73> computers are only as smart as the people programming them
May 14 06:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> Modern luxury cars are a little out of hand.
May 14 06:07:01 <benh> GeneralAntilles: which is _still_ higher than the average redneck :-)
May 14 06:07:04 <ricko73> (or so I've been told)
May 14 06:07:06 <qwerty111> Give it time. matrix.... :p
May 14 06:07:08 <GeneralAntilles> Simple sedans are pushing the 2-ton mark. :\
May 14 06:07:11 <acydlord> or the toyota POD2 that has a little r2d2 style AI copilot
May 14 06:07:15 <livinroom> qwerty111: here's my car alarm: http://www.modelguns-worldwide.com/images/m1991a1e.jpg
May 14 06:07:28 <qwerty111> livinroom, nice!
May 14 06:07:29 <GeneralAntilles> Amen, livinroom.
May 14 06:07:35 <livinroom> it's also my home security system
May 14 06:07:48 <GeneralAntilles> (though just a S&W 9mm in my case)
May 14 06:07:48 <acydlord> my alarm system is silent
May 14 06:07:53 <livinroom> and, with the power of the CCW permit, it's a personal defence system as well
May 14 06:07:54 <qwerty111> over this side of the pond, not here :(
May 14 06:08:05 <acydlord> various shuriken, swords, knives, caltrops, etc
May 14 06:08:12 <livinroom> yeah i wanted some hardcore power, we have some major methheads here
May 14 06:08:22 <livinroom> and fuck if those goddamn meth addicted sons of bitches arent hard to bring down
May 14 06:08:27 <GeneralAntilles> I opted for a size and price reduction.
May 14 06:08:30 <GeneralAntilles> As well as better capacity. ;)
May 14 06:08:34 <rm_you> brb
May 14 06:08:38 <qwerty111> 0_o
May 14 06:08:39 <acydlord> you need the capacity with a 9
May 14 06:08:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 14 06:08:53 <acydlord> i also have a military issue tonfa
May 14 06:08:53 <livinroom> the local sherrif put 39 rounds in one poor bastard before he put the gun down. 39 9mm rounds. THIRTY NINE. he was still shooting until the 38th
May 14 06:09:00 <acydlord> thats always fun for a takedown
May 14 06:09:10 <acydlord> livinroom, you in AZ?
May 14 06:09:12 <qwerty111> livinroom, did he die?
May 14 06:09:13 <livinroom> no, TN
May 14 06:09:16 <livinroom> yeah he expired
May 14 06:09:23 <acydlord> man, weve had epic shootouts like that out here
May 14 06:09:24 <livinroom> but he actually was shooting a pump action shotty at the police
May 14 06:09:28 <acydlord> and we have many a tweaker
May 14 06:09:35 <qwerty111> Lol, I was doing /sarcasm :P :D
May 14 06:09:40 <acydlord> cops need to learn about the headshot
May 14 06:09:40 <livinroom> after the 39th round he dropped the gun, layed down (didnt fall, or drop, mind you) and died
May 14 06:09:58 <RST38h> ran out of drugs, I guess
May 14 06:09:59 <livinroom> well, they fired around 50 rounds, from what i understand
May 14 06:10:10 <livinroom> the only reason i think that he died was blood loss
May 14 06:10:13 <acydlord> then again with a 9 depending on the round it could glance off the skull
May 14 06:10:13 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, he ran out of pain killers (ala Max Payne)
May 14 06:10:17 <livinroom> that and punctured lungs
May 14 06:10:17 <RST38h> did the police tried refilling him? just to ask some questions, you know?
May 14 06:10:23 <livinroom> roffles
May 14 06:10:24 <livinroom> no
May 14 06:10:30 <trickie> my bloody ISP at home has been down for more than 24 hours... anyone know if there is a log of the meeting with quim last night?
May 14 06:10:30 <livinroom> it's a funny story how it all went down
May 14 06:10:42 <acydlord> trickie, there should be a log up later in the day
May 14 06:10:45 <livinroom> it started when some dumbass cop accidentally hit the siren on a no-knock warrant
May 14 06:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> trickie, http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/
May 14 06:10:50 <livinroom> this fucker comes out shooting
May 14 06:10:54 <trickie> thanks!
May 14 06:10:55 <livinroom> and they lay waste to him
May 14 06:10:58 <livinroom> it was bad.
May 14 06:11:14 <GeneralAntilles> trickie, most interesting tidbit, information on the PowerVR will be coming later this year.
May 14 06:11:28 <trickie> woo hoo!
May 14 06:11:30 <trickie> thats awesome
May 14 06:11:30 <qwerty111> A2DP is also planned
May 14 06:11:33 <acydlord> i'm always tempted to get my psg-1 out whenever there are police standoffs in my area
May 14 06:11:35 <livinroom> AADP??
May 14 06:11:52 <livinroom> see, why didnt the iphone have A2DP
May 14 06:11:53 <acydlord> ya know just stoll up and be like "deputise me mofo"
May 14 06:12:05 <acydlord> because the iphone is an overpriced pretty piece of crap
May 14 06:12:12 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 14 06:12:13 <acydlord> like all the other apple products since the mid 90s
May 14 06:12:15 <GeneralAntilles> It's not that bad. ;)
May 14 06:12:26 <GeneralAntilles> It suits some people.
May 14 06:12:31 <GeneralAntilles> Like my mother.
May 14 06:12:34 <acydlord> for a low capacity ipod that happens to make calls i guess its not bad
May 14 06:12:38 <livinroom> here's why i have the iphone: Unix.
May 14 06:12:42 <livinroom> and Unix means developers
May 14 06:12:43 <qwerty111> If the PowerVR stuff comes out, I want to see me some quake 3 action.
May 14 06:12:56 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty111, wouldn't that be badass? :D
May 14 06:13:10 <livinroom> and said developers have made a successful port of tinyproxy, srelay, sshd, and ipfw. all tools that help me to forward mah intarwebs to the n800, a laptop, a desktop, etc et al.
May 14 06:13:15 <acydlord> i've been too lazy to load linux on my centro
May 14 06:13:19 <qwerty111> GeneralAntilles, hell yes. combine it with the tilt stick and you would be in heaven :D
May 14 06:13:45 <RST38h> yea, the device definitely misses an accelerometer
May 14 06:13:49 <acydlord> another 2 horrible things about the iphone are at&t and that crap they try to call 3g
May 14 06:14:08 <RST38h> maybe it can be replaced by some clever image processing from the camera?
May 14 06:14:23 <ricko73> acydlord: don't swear like that in here (att)
May 14 06:14:35 <livinroom> AT&T isnt really horrible, i dont know where everyone gets that from
May 14 06:14:43 <livinroom> because your only other choice is verizon, and they're absoloutely worse
May 14 06:14:47 <acydlord> if you add an IR port to the iphone and a tiltstick you've got a wiimote
May 14 06:14:51 <RST38h> livinroom: have you tried visiting their store?
May 14 06:14:51 <KotCzarny> heh
May 14 06:14:52 <acydlord> i have sprint
May 14 06:14:54 <KotCzarny> it is horrible
May 14 06:14:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, I've been nothing but happy with AT&T
May 14 06:14:58 <livinroom> yeah, i bought my ifone in a store
May 14 06:14:59 <acydlord> with some real nice evdo
May 14 06:15:00 <RST38h> I mean, actually talking to a "representative"?
May 14 06:15:08 <RST38h> poor guy
May 14 06:15:11 <livinroom> yeah, i talked to one when i bought the ifone
May 14 06:15:11 <KotCzarny> they charge 20$ for turning on/off long distance
May 14 06:15:14 <livinroom> i was totally satisfied
May 14 06:15:19 <RST38h> oh
May 14 06:15:22 <livinroom> long distance? it's a fscking fone
May 14 06:15:22 <KotCzarny> and other features
May 14 06:15:23 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 06:15:26 <acydlord> and i dont like att because they just handed all their customers over to DHS and fbi spying
May 14 06:15:30 <ricko73> livinroom: it's all about geography.  ATT sucks here.  The only reliable cell service are Verizon or USCC
May 14 06:15:31 <qwerty111> I hate CDMA stuff. Thankfully, in the UK we are all GSM. (EDGE/UMTS etc are available though).
May 14 06:15:34 <acydlord> not to mention the deathstar monopoly
May 14 06:15:54 * RST38h remembers buying 3650 from AT&T store - 15 minutes of waiting + 30 minutes of filing papers and the sim card quietly expired after being unused for 3 months
May 14 06:15:55 <KotCzarny> livinroom: i'm talking about their bussiness model
May 14 06:15:57 <acydlord> no hsdpa qwerty111?
May 14 06:15:58 <livinroom> monopoly be damned, it works fine
May 14 06:16:23 <acydlord> and at&t shafted me on the ogo
May 14 06:16:26 <qwerty111> acydlord, I'm sure there is actually, just don't have a phone that supports it.
May 14 06:16:38 <RST38h> Last time I bought phone service from MTS, it took 5 minutes and did not require me to commit for 2 years
May 14 06:16:45 <acydlord> i prepaid for a year on it, they supported it for 3 months and then wouldnt refund my fees
May 14 06:16:51 <livinroom> btw this is my pocket gun: http://www.centerfirecentral.com/images/bersa380L.jpg
May 14 06:17:03 <RST38h> So, let us see:
May 14 06:17:14 <RST38h> Russia: 5 minutes, $7
May 14 06:17:25 <RST38h> US: 45 minutes, $60/mo for 24 months
May 14 06:17:27 <qwerty111> Can't you like carry semi-auto sub-machineguns :p ?
May 14 06:17:45 <acydlord> assault rifles
May 14 06:17:51 <RST38h> Isn't something wrong with this picture?
May 14 06:17:53 <GeneralAntilles> livinroom, have you seen KelTec's stuff?
May 14 06:18:00 <GeneralAntilles> They make some badass pocket guns.
May 14 06:18:07 <acydlord> subs and machine pistols require a different license
May 14 06:18:07 <GeneralAntilles> Their 9 is one of the smallest available.
May 14 06:18:12 <livinroom> actually, we can carry full auto submachine guns
May 14 06:18:22 <livinroom> keltecs are all plastic and feel like they'll break
May 14 06:18:33 <acydlord> you have a class3 permit livinroom?
May 14 06:18:33 <RST38h> Do they let you shoot those as well? =)
May 14 06:18:34 <livinroom> the bersa is aluminum, has every safety imaginable, etc
May 14 06:18:44 <livinroom> i dont, but in TN it's only $200 to get one
May 14 06:18:53 <acydlord> yeah, its only 200 here too
May 14 06:19:11 <acydlord> much cheaper than paying the fee to get a licensed silencer on its own here lol
May 14 06:19:11 <GeneralAntilles> My buddy's KelTec 380 shoots like a tac driver.
May 14 06:19:14 <GeneralAntilles> Feels great
May 14 06:19:22 <livinroom> i could get a silenced full auto AR15 for around $2k total
May 14 06:20:00 <livinroom> thats with all the liscenses and everything
May 14 06:20:24 <livinroom> http://golsn.com/listings/outdoor_adventure/firearms/369686.html here's an AR for 1k
May 14 06:20:54 <GeneralAntilles> ARs are so gross. <_<
May 14 06:20:58 <acydlord> http://www.arizonatacticalfirearms.com/ this place is right up the street from me
May 14 06:21:08 <acydlord> and i must say, i prefer my m16 to an ar
May 14 06:21:22 <livinroom> http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/specials.html dude
May 14 06:21:28 <livinroom> this place is up the street from me
May 14 06:21:34 <livinroom> check out their browning .50bmg
May 14 06:21:41 <livinroom> it's insane.
May 14 06:21:49 <livinroom> $5 per shot
May 14 06:21:56 <ricko73> what is it about geeks and guns?  lol
May 14 06:22:04 <livinroom> duuuude
May 14 06:22:08 <livinroom> machine gun safari sounds AWESOME
May 14 06:22:11 <livinroom> too bad i hate AZ
May 14 06:22:26 <ricko73> I have a nice headshot I had on a deer at 35 yards with my 12 ga last year
May 14 06:22:33 <RST38h> but imagine the number and SIZE of amphetamine junkies you can off with this thing!
May 14 06:22:41 <livinroom> roffles
May 14 06:22:50 <livinroom> when the world goes to hell
May 14 06:22:57 <livinroom> i'll mount that sumbitch on my '95 escort LX
May 14 06:23:01 <livinroom> and run around blasting baddies
May 14 06:25:25 <acydlord> imagine the meth heads you could take down with this http://www.davidsonsinc.com/consumers/subsites/inven_product.asp?dealer_id=337048&item=701445&instock=all&manufact_combo=Heckler+%26+Koch%2C+Inc.&mod_ser_combo=None&category_combo=None&model=None&g_type=None&act_type=&finish_type=None&calib_combo=None&sight_class_combo=None&price_range=None&left_handed=&youth=&Offset_rec=0&num_rec=100&item_num=
May 14 06:25:31 <acydlord> holy long link, sorry bout that
May 14 06:26:02 <livinroom> holy long link batman
May 14 06:28:35 <acydlord> i want the new barrett .416 AR
May 14 06:29:25 * czr wakes up and looks at the crazy americanos -speak
May 14 06:29:56 <livinroom> lolz
May 14 06:30:34 <czr> in finland we feed the methheads to the polar bears
May 14 06:30:47 <czr> or send them to nokia to code for some useless multimedia project
May 14 06:31:29 <livinroom> ROFL
May 14 06:31:31 <RST38h> send them club baby seals!
May 14 06:31:40 <livinroom> send some meth heads to code me up a working webcam app for the n800
May 14 06:31:50 <czr> livinroom, do you work for nokia?
May 14 06:31:51 <livinroom> one that will auto-upload pics via whatever active connection to an ftp server
May 14 06:31:59 <livinroom> heck no
May 14 06:32:01 <livinroom> i dont work for nokia
May 14 06:32:12 <czr> indeed. it needs to be a nokia project
May 14 06:32:29 <livinroom> i need a camera app!
May 14 06:32:38 <livinroom> and i'm too lazy to take 8 years of programming so i can make one!
May 14 06:32:56 <RST38h> there is a camera app in extras
May 14 06:32:58 <czr> pay someone to do it?
May 14 06:33:02 <livinroom> well, yeah
May 14 06:33:06 <czr> or you mean you're lazy _and_ poor? :-)
May 14 06:33:08 <livinroom> but the camera app in extras doesnt auto-upload shots
May 14 06:33:10 <czr> that's not a good combination :-)
May 14 06:33:16 <livinroom> i'm not poor
May 14 06:33:19 <livinroom> but i'm not rich enough to pay someone :P
May 14 06:33:23 <RST38h> those aren't very good shots to begin with
May 14 06:33:40 <livinroom> i spend all my money buying .45 cartridges to practice incase the starving zombie hordes of methheads invade my apartment
May 14 06:33:56 <czr> livinroom, you should start stocking up ammo though
May 14 06:34:03 <RST38h> just use hand grenades
May 14 06:34:12 <czr> imagine how much the price of ammo will jump once the methheads start running around TN.
May 14 06:34:13 <livinroom> hand grenades cause splash damage
May 14 06:34:20 <czr> good for fishing..
May 14 06:34:27 * RST38h remembers Tremors the movie
May 14 06:35:51 <acydlord> i had to sell my .45s i spent way too much going out to the shooting range and out shooting in the desert
May 14 06:36:01 <livinroom> yeah
May 14 06:36:09 <livinroom> i want to slay a small creature in the woods some day
May 14 06:36:21 <livinroom> perhaps the evil, cold hearted murderous squirrel
May 14 06:36:23 <czr> ant?
May 14 06:36:27 <czr> they're also evil.
May 14 06:36:32 <livinroom> ants are indeed evil
May 14 06:36:35 <czr> plus you can practice on a perfect technique.
May 14 06:36:35 <livinroom> but they are difficult to slay
May 14 06:36:50 <GeneralAntilles> livinroom, gps-camera
May 14 06:36:52 <livinroom> shooting the ass off an ant?
May 14 06:37:09 <czr> livinroom, get a proper scope? :-)
May 14 06:37:24 <ricko73> livinroom: I shot a squirrel in the eye with a bb gun when I was 13
May 14 06:37:36 <ricko73> tasted good ;)
May 14 06:37:50 <livinroom> i tried to shoot a bird once
May 14 06:37:53 <livinroom> i dont know if i got him or not
May 14 06:37:58 <livinroom> damn hollowpoint 380s
May 14 06:38:27 <acydlord> i shot a dove with a 30-06 2 seasons ago
May 14 06:38:30 <ricko73> do you use a sledgehammer to drive in finish nails?
May 14 06:39:04 <livinroom> well, hollowpoint was all i had loaded
May 14 06:39:04 <GeneralAntilles> livinroom, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gps-camera/
May 14 06:39:10 <livinroom> and i was like, HOLY SHIT BALD EAGLE and so
May 14 06:39:18 <livinroom> haha, no, it wasnt a bald eagle.
May 14 06:39:35 <czr> it was a the Pope of the Brown Bald Eagles?
May 14 06:39:38 <czr> -a
May 14 06:39:47 <acydlord> lol
May 14 06:39:47 <livinroom> i was like rm -rf /sparrow
May 14 06:39:50 <livinroom> and it was all like
May 14 06:39:54 <livinroom> 'unable to find /sparrow'
May 14 06:40:00 <livinroom> '/sparrow doesnt exsist'
May 14 06:40:37 <ricko73> you guys crack me up
May 14 06:40:56 <livinroom> so i was like updatedb &&
May 14 06:41:00 <RST38h> evil gun nuts.
May 14 06:41:02 <livinroom> locate sparrow
May 14 06:41:08 <ricko73> I'll have to find out first hand how well roadmap works tomorrow.  I finally got it to install.
May 14 06:41:19 <livinroom> 'sparrow not found'
May 14 06:41:25 <livinroom> and i was like dayum.
May 14 06:41:43 * ricko73 passes over a bottle of stout to livinroom
May 14 06:41:53 <livinroom> i prefer a flagan of mead
May 14 06:42:03 <ricko73> bah
May 14 06:42:09 <livinroom> or is it flagon
May 14 06:42:28 <ricko73> give me a good oatmeal stout with hints of chocolate and coffee and I'm good to go
May 14 06:43:05 <livinroom> actually
May 14 06:43:06 <czr> 'hints of chocolate and coffee' generally sounds like an overpriced ripoff :-)
May 14 06:43:17 <livinroom> my beverage of choice right now is manischewitz concord grape :(
May 14 06:43:49 <ricko73> czr: when it's called "Roadslush" it's gotta be good
May 14 06:44:18 <livinroom> roadslush sounds... nasty
May 14 06:45:02 <czr> roadkill -> mixer -> slush -> ferment -> bottle.
May 14 06:45:07 <ricko73> it's actually tasty
May 14 06:45:13 <livinroom> eew
May 14 06:46:16 <ricko73> http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/new-glarus-road-slush-stout/55763/
May 14 06:46:32 <livinroom> i cant decide if i should spend money on food or bullets tomorrow. does that make me a redneck?
May 14 06:46:48 <czr> livinroom, no. it's beer or bullets..
May 14 06:46:57 <livinroom> well, i dont drink beer so
May 14 06:47:02 <livinroom> that kinda counts me out
May 14 06:47:18 <livinroom> i like gps-camera, btw, but no auto-upload, esp. not to an FTP site
May 14 06:47:22 <czr> maybe you're an confused redneck then :-)
May 14 06:48:59 <GeneralAntilles> flickr upload, livinroom.
May 14 06:49:19 <livinroom> yeah, but
May 14 06:49:21 <livinroom> i can do that with my ifone
May 14 06:49:26 <livinroom> ftp upload would be more interesting
May 14 06:49:27 <GeneralAntilles> Meh
May 14 06:49:32 <GeneralAntilles> Modify the source, then.
May 14 06:49:33 <livinroom> because then i wouldnt use up all my flicker allocation
May 14 06:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> Wont be too difficult to replace the flickr upload with an ftp upload.
May 14 06:50:37 * czr starts proper work
May 14 06:50:41 <czr> have fun yall
May 14 06:52:42 <livinroom> i dont know how to code things like that
May 14 06:52:48 <livinroom> you guys are all like 'make it yourself' and im like
May 14 06:52:48 <livinroom> dude
May 14 06:52:55 <livinroom> C is the middle key on a piano
May 14 06:53:06 <livinroom> i know that != means Not=
May 14 06:53:10 <livinroom> and i know that C# is ass.
May 14 06:53:13 <livinroom> and thats it
May 14 06:53:42 <johnx> no one was born knowing how to program :)
May 14 06:54:23 <livinroom> anything that requires a college course is too difficult for me to master tonight.
May 14 06:54:30 <czr> livinroom, you know how to reload your gun? programming is like that. more or less. do things in some order. think before do. most of the time :-)
May 14 06:54:36 <johnx> it really doesn't require a college course...
May 14 06:54:51 <Stskeeps> johnx: got my url?
May 14 06:55:01 <johnx> Stskeeps, yup, thanks
May 14 06:55:04 <Stskeeps> np
May 14 06:55:28 <johnx> ah, which reminds me, Navi: check the wiki release notes for that
May 14 06:55:41 <livinroom> reloading my gun, though, consists of the manual "push button A to eject spent magazine." "spent magazine falls to the ground due to the force of gravity." "insert loaded magazine" "press slide release"
May 14 06:55:46 <livinroom> programming consists of
May 14 06:56:06 <czr> "learn to program", "write the program you want", "debug", "return to first point"
May 14 06:56:11 <czr> see. same complexity factor..
May 14 06:56:31 <livinroom> sorry to spam
May 14 06:56:33 <livinroom> int main(void) {
May 14 06:56:33 <livinroom>     char input[BUFFERSIZE];
May 14 06:56:33 <livinroom>     printf("Enter your expression: ");
May 14 06:56:33 <livinroom>     fflush(stdout);
May 14 06:56:33 <livinroom>     fgets(input, BUFFERSIZE, stdin);
May 14 06:56:34 <livinroom>     printf("Result is: %.2f\n", evaluate(input));
May 14 06:56:36 <livinroom>     return EXIT_SUCCESS;
May 14 06:56:38 <livinroom> }
May 14 06:56:40 <livinroom> that is programming
May 14 06:56:48 <czr> actually not. that's silly :-)
May 14 06:56:52 <livinroom> and honestly, it scares me
May 14 06:57:21 <czr> livinroom, try some more friendly language?
May 14 06:57:28 <czr> python/ruby whatnots.
May 14 06:57:31 <johnx> but it can all be reduced to fairly simple basics. there's nothing scary about it...just annoying to learn, that's all
May 14 06:58:26 <livinroom> my problem will be, going in, that i want to do something complex; and i have no idea where exactly to start, so i'll start by altering exsisting source. and when that repeatedly fails to work, i'll hit up google, and 3 cans of Monster and a can of red bull later, i'll give up, pissed off and ready to put a bullet through my GCC.
May 14 06:59:31 <johnx> right, that's where the patience and the reading comes in
May 14 06:59:41 <johnx> You need to learn how to walk before you can run
May 14 06:59:44 <livinroom> yeah but /usr/me != patience.
May 14 07:00:02 <johnx> well, that's definitely a problem
May 14 07:00:10 <livinroom> not for technical issues
May 14 07:00:12 <forge> Then you might aswell give up or pay someone else to code
May 14 07:00:15 <livinroom> i get very frustrated
May 14 07:01:09 <hd_> what are you trying to achieve?
May 14 07:01:47 <livinroom> i want to use the camera of the n800 to take a snapshot every <interval> and upload it to an ftp site (like an oldschool webcam.)
May 14 07:02:00 <livinroom> additionally, it must be able to use an HTTP proxy to do so :)
May 14 07:02:08 <johnx> ah...a script would do that really easily
May 14 07:02:13 <forge> Yeah
May 14 07:02:30 <tank-man> a script  ? that sounds too easy :)
May 14 07:02:32 <johnx> though I forgot what app can take pics from the CLI
May 14 07:02:49 <johnx> tank-man, I know, it's almost like cheating
May 14 07:03:04 <tank-man> a small shell script put me out of a job
May 14 07:03:07 <czr> unless you implement the shell for the sole purpose of interpreting the script.
May 14 07:03:27 <czr> tank-man, that would work on a t-shirt :-)
May 14 07:03:38 <johnx> tank-man, you should have been nicer to your sys admin :P
May 14 07:04:29 <trickie> just lloking at that meeting log... i think next time it should be moderated
May 14 07:04:37 <johnx> trickie, agreed
May 14 07:04:40 <trickie> chitter chatter seemed to fill the discussion
May 14 07:04:47 <trickie> wish i could have been there
May 14 07:05:29 <johnx> next time we need more guidelines I think, on which questions are useful and likely to get answers
May 14 07:06:06 <trickie> for sure
May 14 07:06:16 <trickie> or even a prepared list of questions before hand
May 14 07:06:39 <johnx> yeah
May 14 07:06:53 <trickie> kind of a specific agreed agenda before hand
May 14 07:07:04 <trickie> if they are gonna be regular meetings
May 14 07:07:23 <trickie> anyway, good to see an attempt at communication being made
May 14 07:07:32 <trickie> better communication
May 14 07:07:44 <johnx> yeah, the attempt is almost more important than the content in my mind
May 14 07:07:47 <tank-man> is the log to this irc chat public?
May 14 07:07:54 <johnx> tank-man, yup
May 14 07:07:55 <tank-man> the metting chat
May 14 07:08:05 <johnx> ah, It will be up somewhere
May 14 07:08:27 <johnx> I can DCC you my log if you want
May 14 07:08:48 <tank-man> sure
May 14 07:09:14 <trickie> http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/
May 14 07:09:22 <johnx> or that :)
May 14 07:09:25 <trickie> i just went through that log :)
May 14 07:09:29 <tank-man> url will work :)
May 14 07:19:05 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: http://images.google.com/images?q=16bit+ubuntu&imgsz=icon&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&safe=off&start=200&sa=N
May 14 07:19:08 <rm_you> random
May 14 07:19:35 <GeneralAntilles> You're random.
May 14 07:20:08 <GeneralAntilles> Can't even see what the image is. . . .
May 14 07:20:20 <rm_you> the second one?
May 14 07:20:31 <GeneralAntilles> It's first one here.
May 14 07:27:40 <Proteous> some sort of single slit light experiment
May 14 08:25:14 <johnx> well, made the debian beta3 announcement on ITT. I'll wait for the horror stories to roll in...
May 14 08:25:47 * GeneralAntilles keeps running into walls trying to untar it.
May 14 08:26:07 <johnx> really?
May 14 08:26:25 <johnx> only with the sd card? or anywhere?
May 14 08:26:25 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough space on my partition or device
May 14 08:26:31 <johnx> whew
May 14 08:26:35 <GeneralAntilles> My Mac seems to open it
May 14 08:26:40 <GeneralAntilles> but no files actually appear.
May 14 08:26:45 <GeneralAntilles> Retardation
May 14 08:26:53 <johnx> can you just use a terminal on the mac?
May 14 08:27:10 <GeneralAntilles> I can
May 14 08:27:15 <GeneralAntilles> and have tried.
May 14 08:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing
May 14 08:27:23 <johnx> craziness
May 14 08:27:25 <GeneralAntilles> Seems to get to /etc and just die.
May 14 08:27:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
May 14 08:27:38 <johnx> well, damn...let me recheck it
May 14 08:27:59 <GeneralAntilles> I doubt very much it's you.
May 14 08:28:24 <johnx> I'd like to know for sure though
May 14 08:28:31 <rm_you> johnx: oh, did you host it somewhere?
May 14 08:28:35 <johnx> yup
May 14 08:28:36 <rm_you> want me to mirror it, or you good?
May 14 08:28:38 <johnx> got three mirrors
May 14 08:28:43 <johnx> you can too, if you want
May 14 08:28:47 <rm_you> k
May 14 08:28:49 <rm_you> can't hurt
May 14 08:29:17 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, are you untaring as user on your mac?
May 14 08:29:23 <GeneralAntilles> Tried as root, too.
May 14 08:29:28 <GeneralAntilles> User at least threw an error
May 14 08:29:30 <GeneralAntilles> Root just died.
May 14 08:29:32 <johnx> tar jxvf foo.tar.bz2?
May 14 08:29:37 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
May 14 08:29:56 <johnx> well...I think that means your tar is broken...which is rather odd
May 14 08:30:18 <GeneralAntilles> I can't imagine how that might've happened. <_<
May 14 08:30:22 <johnx> ah...unless it's not allowing you to make devices and suid files on the FS you're untarring onto
May 14 08:30:43 <GeneralAntilles> HFS+
May 14 08:30:48 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like a possibility.
May 14 08:31:52 <johnx> do you have a card reader?
May 14 08:32:01 <johnx> there is an ext2 driver for the mac I think
May 14 08:32:06 <GeneralAntilles> Was doing it with the USB cable
May 14 08:32:08 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it's installed
May 14 08:32:25 <johnx> when you run mount what does it show for the n800?
May 14 08:32:41 <johnx> I mean run mount on the mac when the n800 is plugged in...
May 14 08:33:05 <GeneralAntilles> It's automounted.
May 14 08:33:18 <johnx> err...just "mount"
May 14 08:33:26 <johnx> and see what it says about options, etc
May 14 08:34:05 <GeneralAntilles> One sec
May 14 08:34:08 <GeneralAntilles> Card reader is being retarded
May 14 08:34:35 <johnx> yeah, they often are
May 14 08:35:29 <GeneralAntilles> ext2, local, nodev, nosuid
May 14 08:35:39 <johnx> hmm
May 14 08:35:43 <johnx> local is interesting
May 14 08:35:55 <johnx> nodev and nosuid would explain a lot :)
May 14 08:38:11 <johnx> do the other fs'es have "local" too?
May 14 08:38:28 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
May 14 08:39:29 <johnx> alright, then as root, try this:
May 14 08:39:45 <johnx> mount -o remount,suid,dev /Volumes/my-card
May 14 08:41:06 <rm_you> wow thats a ridiculous mirror you have already
May 14 08:41:11 <rm_you> downloading at 8M/s
May 14 08:41:34 <GeneralAntilles> mount: /Volumes/Debian: unknown special file or file system.
May 14 08:41:39 <rm_you> 03:41:28 (7.81 MB/s) - `debian-armel-n800-xfce-beta3.tar.bz2' saved [226287149/226287149]
May 14 08:41:40 <GeneralAntilles> I'll just free up some space on the device. ;)
May 14 08:41:47 <rm_you> ridiculous
May 14 08:42:12 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I don't have a Mac in front of me, so I can't tell you much :/
May 14 08:42:24 <GeneralAntilles> The ext2 driver is mostly shit
May 14 08:42:28 <johnx> yeah
May 14 08:42:29 <GeneralAntilles> could be causing trouble.
May 14 08:42:35 <johnx> they mostly are windows and mac
May 14 08:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> Built for 10.3, I believe.
May 14 08:42:43 <johnx> skeery
May 14 08:43:28 <GeneralAntilles> I wish filesystem support in general weren't so shitty.
May 14 08:43:42 <johnx> on Mac?
May 14 08:43:47 <GeneralAntilles> in general
May 14 08:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> On Windows, on Mac, on Linux.
May 14 08:43:56 <johnx> ah, it's always seemed nice on linux
May 14 08:44:01 <GeneralAntilles> We just need one or two GOOD universal filesystems.
May 14 08:44:08 <johnx> the GUI wrappers on linux need to get better
May 14 08:44:12 <johnx> but other than that I'm happy
May 14 08:44:14 <KotCzarny> say that to mr. patent
May 14 08:44:25 <KotCzarny> and mr. monopoly
May 14 08:44:45 <rm_you> johnx: just got a CrystalFontz serial LCD :P
May 14 08:44:54 <johnx> mr. patent, mr. monopoly: other than that I'm happy
May 14 08:44:55 <rm_you> 20x4
May 14 08:44:57 <rm_you> :P
May 14 08:44:58 <johnx> rm_you, fun :D
May 14 08:45:04 <rm_you> it's pretty awesome
May 14 08:45:08 <johnx> it works over serial or usb?
May 14 08:45:11 <rm_you> serial
May 14 08:45:15 <johnx> awesome
May 14 08:45:23 <johnx> you could do a wireless version over bluetooth!
May 14 08:45:32 <johnx> that would be pretty cool
May 14 08:45:41 <rm_you> may hook it up to my router to display network traffic meters
May 14 08:46:04 <rm_you> and other pertinent info
May 14 08:47:11 <johnx> sounds neat
May 14 08:50:08 <rm_you> so yeah. i finished with school and i dont know what to do with myself
May 14 08:50:44 <rm_you> in the last two days i've started learning Lojban, trying my hand at drawing (real art!), and decided i'm finally going to learn how to swim :)
May 14 08:50:59 <johnx> swimming is definitely worth it
May 14 08:51:09 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 14 08:51:13 <GeneralAntilles> LEARNING?!
May 14 08:52:32 <johnx> well I just hit kind of a stopping point in Debian so I don't really know what my next project is either...
May 14 08:52:41 <rm_you> la .GeneralAntilles. cu sutra
May 14 08:52:51 <rm_you> johnx: ah? :(
May 14 08:52:57 <rm_you> nothing left to do?
May 14 08:52:57 <johnx> (not permanently stopping, just pausing.)
May 14 08:52:59 <rm_you> <_<
May 14 08:53:27 <rm_you> was gonna say, if you finished every task you had left in the last week, i was going to give you a medal :P
May 14 08:54:07 <johnx> what did I say I was gonna do again?
May 14 08:54:32 <johnx> I have rotation, sound, power off from menu
May 14 08:54:36 <johnx> was there something else?
May 14 08:55:16 <KotCzarny> op changer
May 14 08:55:52 <johnx> hmm?
May 14 08:56:14 <KotCzarny> cpu highest state modifier
May 14 08:56:26 <KotCzarny> 400/133 mode instead of 330/220
May 14 08:56:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 08:56:37 <johnx> did I say I was going to do that?
May 14 08:56:54 <KotCzarny> i don't know :)
May 14 08:57:02 <johnx> :P
May 14 08:57:02 <KotCzarny> but it's a very good thing
May 14 08:57:05 <rm_you> <johnx> I'll also make an op changer
May 14 08:57:13 * rm_you notes that the last quote may be completely fabricated
May 14 08:57:26 <johnx> rm_you fails it
May 14 08:57:57 * rm_you fails at a lot of things
May 14 08:58:08 <rm_you> including, if i don't get a move on, checking out of my room on time today!
May 14 08:58:19 * rm_you still has to pack up.... everything
May 14 08:59:07 <johnx> you should do that, then
May 14 08:59:08 <johnx> go!
May 14 08:59:10 <johnx> move!
May 14 09:01:34 <rm_you> moving BLOWS. >_>
May 14 09:01:43 <johnx> gah, tell me about it
May 14 09:01:53 <johnx> cleaning is the worst part though
May 14 09:01:57 <rm_you> >_>
May 14 09:02:00 <rm_you> shit.
May 14 09:02:05 <rm_you> i'd forgotten all about the cleaning.
May 14 09:02:08 * rm_you dies
May 14 09:03:04 * aquatix just vacuum cleaned the whole house
May 14 09:03:13 <aquatix> was getting damn dusty :)
May 14 09:04:16 * johnx will get a roomba when he moves into a bigger place
May 14 09:04:28 <aquatix> :)
May 14 09:05:00 * aquatix has too many obstacles
May 14 09:05:08 <aquatix> btw, a roomba can't do the stairs
May 14 09:05:33 <johnx> eh...I'm just talking about a bigger apartment
May 14 09:06:40 <aquatix> ah
May 14 09:06:43 <rm_you> MUCH DUST
May 14 09:06:49 * aquatix has a maissonnette
May 14 09:07:03 <rm_you> i don't have dust allergies or anything... but i'm sneezing like twice a minute
May 14 09:07:05 <aquatix> [basically a 2-story apartment]
May 14 09:07:16 <johnx> like a town house?
May 14 09:07:17 <KotCzarny> you dirty geeks
May 14 09:07:18 <aquatix> rm_you: dust does that to you yeah :)
May 14 09:07:23 <aquatix> johnx: i guess so
May 14 09:08:11 <johnx> similar idea I think
May 14 09:08:27 <aquatix> yeah
May 14 09:08:41 <aquatix> we have the ground-level floor and the one above
May 14 09:08:47 <aquatix> garden ftw :)
May 14 09:08:55 * johnx hates plants
May 14 09:08:58 * aquatix too
May 14 09:09:11 <johnx> if I have a house I'll pave my yard
May 14 09:09:13 <aquatix> it's a nice place to chill out with a beer in the sun though
May 14 09:09:23 * aquatix has pavement and some grass
May 14 09:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> How can you hate plants?
May 14 09:09:35 <aquatix> well, don't hate them
May 14 09:09:40 <aquatix> i quite like them even
May 14 09:09:45 <GeneralAntilles> You'd be dead without plants.
May 14 09:09:48 <aquatix> but maintainance can be a chore
May 14 09:09:50 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, hayfever
May 14 09:10:02 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
May 14 09:10:03 <GeneralAntilles> Fail.
May 14 09:10:06 <johnx> also, I hate them so much that I often kill them and eat them
May 14 09:10:20 * aquatix likes killed animals better ;)
May 14 09:13:04 <aquatix> *crickets*
May 14 09:13:45 * aquatix is updating his openssl/openssh stuff
May 14 09:14:04 <GeneralAntilles> Alright, johnx, it's untarring on the device.
May 14 09:14:09 <johnx> woo!
May 14 09:16:26 <b0unc3> good morning
May 14 09:16:46 <johnx> mornin' b0unc3
May 14 09:25:27 <b0unc3> hi johnx , I'm happy to see your debian third release ... any news on the power managment?
May 14 09:25:51 <johnx> well power management is ... interesting
May 14 09:25:59 <johnx> I've enabled sleep while idle
May 14 09:26:07 <johnx> but I haven't done any rundown tests
May 14 09:26:33 <johnx> I think dsme will just handle power management stuff and I don't have to worry about it, but I haven't tested either way
May 14 09:26:35 <jdiazZzZz> I've enabled sleep while idle in my brain, too
May 14 09:26:45 <johnx> :P
May 14 09:26:52 <jdiazZzZz> too few sleep time, lately
May 14 09:59:53 <rm_you> bbl
May 14 10:00:04 <johnx> good luck with moving, rmoravcik
May 14 10:00:16 <johnx> aaah...tab failure. sorry rmoravcik
May 14 10:00:31 <rmoravcik> johnx: no problem
May 14 10:02:19 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, Debian's up and running.
May 14 10:05:00 <johnx> good news GeneralAntilles
May 14 10:05:41 <GeneralAntilles> Any way to make the keyboard remember its position?
May 14 10:05:59 <johnx> maybe, devilspie?
May 14 10:06:13 <johnx> ah, it might take a geometry option
May 14 10:06:15 <lardman> dneary: ping
May 14 10:07:11 <johnx> actually, guess not
May 14 10:07:23 <johnx> try another keyboard, there should be lots to choose from
May 14 10:07:29 <johnx> think of this as a starting point :)
May 14 10:07:29 <lardman> Does anyone have a log of yesterday's meeting?
May 14 10:07:54 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/
May 14 10:08:00 <lardman> it's cut short though
May 14 10:08:35 <johnx> gah, it is O_o
May 14 10:08:42 <johnx> I have the full log if you want
May 14 10:08:53 <dneary> lardman: pong
May 14 10:09:03 <lardman> yes please, and I imagine X-Fade_ might like to add it to the end of that one too
May 14 10:09:16 <lardman> dneary: just to follow up on what I was told to do yesterday :)
May 14 10:09:31 <lardman> dneary: PowerVR, and IVA if pos - both in the original email I sent in fact
May 14 10:09:45 <dneary> lardman: Noted :)
May 14 10:09:53 <dneary> I got them last night, in fact
May 14 10:09:54 <lardman> dneary: do you have a list up yet (not hassling)
May 14 10:10:07 <dneary> No, I plan on doing a first draft today
May 14 10:10:11 <lardman> cool
May 14 10:10:19 <johnx> lardman, I can dcc you the log or email, your choice
May 14 10:10:37 <lardman> johnx: email is probably easier for me
May 14 10:10:46 <trickie> dneary: i couldn't attend the meeting, but i have some additional questions that might not have been covered yesterday, can i still submit to you some questions?
May 14 10:10:47 <lardman> s dot g dot pickering at bath dot ac dot uk
May 14 10:11:14 <trickie> johnx: trickie at gmail dot com can i have the full one also?
May 14 10:11:35 <johnx> sure
May 14 10:11:48 <lardman> dneary: the other thing was a page where people can request that a package is open-sourced, and give a reason why; hrw was keen on that :)
May 14 10:11:52 <dneary> trickie: Sure
May 14 10:12:01 <dneary> trickie: The mailing list is really the best place
May 14 10:12:11 <dneary> Don't hesitate to create a new thread if you have questions
May 14 10:12:19 <trickie> dneary: cool, ill try tonight (if my internet is back on at home)
May 14 10:12:20 <trickie> sure
May 14 10:12:36 <trickie> i have asked before, but would like to get them into the official list :)
May 14 10:12:43 <dneary> lardman, trickie: Someone posted a link to a log that's online on the list today
May 14 10:12:56 <dneary> http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-meeting-2008-05-13.html
May 14 10:13:03 <lardman> it's cut short
May 14 10:14:13 <johnx> email sent, lardman and trickie
May 14 10:14:19 <trickie> ta
May 14 10:14:34 <lardman> thx
May 14 10:14:49 <johnx> sure :)
May 14 10:14:53 * johnx makes dinner
May 14 10:15:01 <aquatix> johnx: enjoy
May 14 10:16:04 <lardman> might be worth someone summarising the questions which were asked - I'll have a look through
May 14 10:17:06 <GeneralAntilles> I'd like to see that community list of "goals only Nokia can accomplish" on the wiki.
May 14 10:18:07 <hrw> morning
May 14 10:18:15 <lardman> and a parallel list of goals that the community should accompilish
May 14 10:18:19 <lardman> hrw: hi
May 14 10:18:29 <hrw> I have full log if someone need
May 14 10:18:38 <lardman> I've got it now thanks hrw
May 14 10:19:17 <hrw> http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/maemo-meeting.log
May 14 10:20:16 <hrw> it is from 20:30 to end
May 14 10:20:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: successful install of debian here on n800 - rebooted at first after fscking the ext2 filesystem (forgot to umount cleanly), but else fine
May 14 10:23:23 <trickie> hrw: that 403's for me, but i have johnx's log now
May 14 10:24:01 <pupnik_> my favorite part about discussion, meetings and coordination is if the result is someone writing code based on my ideas :)
May 14 10:24:01 <hrw> trickie: fixed
May 14 10:24:24 <pupnik_> doesn't happen often enough :)
May 14 10:25:44 <pupnik_> i hope lardman gets more assistance from the big finnish company
May 14 10:26:06 <pupnik_> or from someone else smart like hrw :)
May 14 10:31:56 * lardman has had lots of help from hrw in the past
May 14 10:36:06 <Stskeeps> johnx: do you have some scripts describing how to do a debian setup from scratch perhaps?
May 14 10:36:41 <johnx> basically I used debootstrap and a lot of stuff by hand
May 14 10:36:54 <johnx> xomap is copied from os2008, as is the sound stuff
May 14 10:37:12 <Stskeeps> k - could be interesting to make an install script and package some of the stuff i guess
May 14 10:37:17 <johnx> /etc/init.d/tablet-utils (not mine) handles some boot stuff
May 14 10:37:26 <johnx> yeah I have a lot of cleaning up to do
May 14 10:37:38 <Stskeeps> but looks darn nice so far :)
May 14 10:37:42 <johnx> thanks
May 14 10:38:06 <johnx> I'll redo it later and make the script as I go
May 14 10:47:25 <hrw> lardman: and vice versa
May 14 10:52:17 <grape> johnx: nice work on the Debian stuff
May 14 10:53:00 <grape> it worked right out of the brown paper bag
May 14 10:53:54 <pupnik_> are there any consumer devices that debian armel runs on besides nokia tablets?
May 14 10:54:08 <pupnik_> there was something for psion netbook that was armel iirc
May 14 10:57:51 <aquatix> home routers :)
May 14 10:58:09 <aquatix> maybe the Zaurus?
May 14 10:58:14 <aquatix> or was that just arm?
May 14 10:58:54 <pupnik_> never had a zaurus
May 14 10:59:06 <trickie> i think someone got it bootstrapped on a gumstix, but thats not really a 'consumer device'
May 14 10:59:17 <trickie> and im not sure which gumstix
May 14 11:05:29 <lardman> urgh, I've been splitting the irc log into seperate conversations, my brain is feeling the pain
May 14 11:06:01 <hrw> pupnik_: many NAS devices run armel
May 14 11:07:39 <hrw> who maintain mediawiki on maemo.org? I would like to register
May 14 11:08:26 <Jon> pupnik_: I run it on my thecus n2100 (a NAS box); it also runs on nslu2's
May 14 11:10:52 <RST38h> is armel a platform as opposed to plain arm?
May 14 11:12:20 <hrw> RST38h: armel is going to replace arm in debian
May 14 11:12:44 <RST38h> but what is the physical meaning?
May 14 11:14:57 <hrw> armel use eabi
May 14 11:15:04 <hrw> req armv4t+
May 14 11:17:26 <johnx> aquatix, I have debian (and angstrom) on the zaurus right next to me :)
May 14 11:28:10 <RST38h> hrw: so, it is calling convention?
May 14 11:32:13 <lardman> RST38h: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort
May 14 11:35:47 <RST38h> Found it. It's calling convention and a few other thigns.
May 14 11:45:27 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/meeting/ I started splitting the IRC log into separate threads
May 14 11:45:59 <lardman> but got rather confused in the middle - they were not answers to my questions so I was probably not paying enough attention
May 14 11:46:14 <lardman> if anyone fancies filling in the gaps, etc., then please do so
May 14 11:46:28 <lardman> I've got about half way though the IRC log
May 14 11:48:16 <RST38h> The Catholic Churchs top astronomer has said there is no contradiction between the one true faith and believing in aliens.
May 14 11:48:18 <RST38h> Umgh
May 14 11:48:36 <lardman> just means the aliens all believe too
May 14 11:49:12 <RST38h> But does it mean that Jesus had gray skin and huge black eyes?
May 14 11:51:28 * lardman can't be bothered with theological debate before lunch, sorry
May 14 11:51:33 <lardman> ;)
May 14 11:56:09 <johnx> hmm...cell writer is kinda slow :/
May 14 12:13:09 <pupnik_>  "Debian is easy to keep up to date. Thats because they don't update it."  lol
May 14 12:13:19 <aquatix> pft
May 14 12:13:27 <pupnik_> http://funroll-loops.info/
May 14 12:13:28 <aquatix> sid is rather up-to-date
May 14 12:13:42 <jku_> pupnik_, what do you mean? I just got a new openssl :)
May 14 12:13:43 <pupnik_> and by extension, sidux is
May 14 12:13:44 <aquatix> i think almost more than ubuntu
May 14 12:14:20 <aquatix> lol
May 14 12:14:25 <Blafasel> jku_: Ouch :)
May 14 12:14:32 <aquatix> Gentoo! ZOMG SO FAST!
May 14 12:14:47 <Blafasel> Gentoo is not about fast, imo
May 14 12:15:10 <aquatix> for quite some people, it is
May 14 12:15:20 <aquatix> too each his own
May 14 12:15:34 * aquatix rather not wastes time compiling stuff when wanting to install something
May 14 12:15:50 <johnx> ^what he said^
May 14 12:16:26 * aquatix has a build farm doing that for him
May 14 12:16:27 <aquatix> :P
May 14 12:17:42 <pupnik_> i had fun with gentoo, but the 'ricer' analogy is somewhat true, if mean-spirited.  like aquatix says 'to each his own'
May 14 12:18:12 <aquatix> yeah, i can't really be bothered what flavour people use
May 14 12:18:20 <aquatix> i like the simplicity of the apt system
May 14 12:18:40 <aquatix> but someone else wants to pull a git tree, patch some and compile it
May 14 12:18:59 <lopz> morning
May 14 12:19:13 <aquatix> hey lopz
May 14 12:19:24 <pupnik_> with debian i have the choice to compile or just install
May 14 12:19:28 <lopz> ;)
May 14 12:19:42 <pupnik_> and sidux has daily hotfixes to .sid problems
May 14 12:19:54 <pupnik_> and a nice kernel installer script - e-z
May 14 12:25:30 <trickie> i find for admin duties gentoo kicks ass, but you need the resources and expertice to set it up right
May 14 12:25:36 <trickie> build farms etc
May 14 12:25:45 <trickie> not what im gonna recommend to my mum :)
May 14 12:33:02 <aquatix> trickie: my mom runs slackware ;)
May 14 12:33:06 <aquatix> i kid, i kid
May 14 12:33:16 <johnx> my mom runs ubuntu actually :)
May 14 12:33:26 <trickie> he he
May 14 12:33:27 <aquatix> my mom ran debian sid
May 14 12:33:33 <MajMin7> has anyone ever used libgps?
May 14 12:33:33 <aquatix> until the laptop broke
May 14 12:33:39 <aquatix> now she has a vista laptop :/
May 14 12:35:54 <solmumaha> my mom runs freebsd
May 14 12:36:45 <solmumaha> and ubuntu
May 14 12:42:02 <solmumaha> they do work fine if person using them hasn't used windows before
May 14 12:42:49 <johnx> or has used windows, realized all they do is check their mail, surf the web,  type things in word and play solitaire :)
May 14 12:43:21 <solmumaha> well i just installed xubuntu for a person who had a pirated windows and didn't want to pay for one
May 14 12:43:28 <solmumaha> he only uses firefox
May 14 12:43:45 <solmumaha> and today he called how it's so different now and started whining about everything
May 14 12:44:01 <johnx> and you told him to shove it?
May 14 12:44:17 <solmumaha> i really wanted to
May 14 12:45:00 <solmumaha> spent ages getting it installed, the machine was so f%#!# up
May 14 12:45:28 <trickie> is he just whinging or does he need some documentation?
May 14 12:45:29 <solmumaha> had to replace harddrive, all cables and use a different dvd-drive
May 14 12:45:39 <trickie> or just wants windows without paying :)
May 14 12:46:00 <wnd> some people just don't know what's best for them
May 14 12:46:10 <solmumaha> i told him he can't use any old program he is used to
May 14 12:46:19 <solmumaha> said it's ok, he only uses firefox
May 14 12:46:34 <johnx> I switched my wife from XP to Ubuntu. Her laptop has some weird hardware issues that Linux apparently copes with but makes Windows slow to a crawl. She's pretty much adjusted after a couple weeks...but I think she still misses photoshop a lot
May 14 12:46:37 <solmumaha> and first question was "can i have windows media player installed"
May 14 12:47:18 <trickie> solmumaha: ha ha
May 14 12:49:07 <solmumaha> and the thing is, i can't really avoid this person, he's a postman and i see him deliver mail here every day and he knows some of my relatives
May 14 12:50:31 <n800n> johnx did she try gimpshop?
May 14 12:50:45 <johnx> gimpshop doesn't really appear to do much...
May 14 12:50:49 <solmumaha> i have enough trouble with relatives and friends, maybe i should just draw the line there and be a blunt about it to others
May 14 12:51:00 <johnx> her biggest gripes are the shape tool, and missing all her brushes
May 14 12:51:14 <johnx> solmumaha, I've found that to be a good policy
May 14 12:51:37 <johnx> mostly I tell people "If you're asking me what kind of computer you need: buy a mac"
May 14 12:51:50 <solmumaha> i haven't used windows in ages either and don't even own a pc
May 14 12:52:09 <johnx> yeah, my windows troubleshooting skills are getting rusty
May 14 12:52:31 <solmumaha> vista was a disaster imo
May 14 12:52:44 <solmumaha> they managed to really mess it up
May 14 12:52:52 <johnx> I poked at it once at a friend's house and once at a computer shop
May 14 12:53:10 <johnx> it seemed nice enough...but the system requirements are kind of ridiculous if true
May 14 12:53:37 <solmumaha> it was annoying to configure
May 14 12:53:58 <johnx> hmm
May 14 12:55:09 <solmumaha> i used freebsd for ages but i do like os x nowadays, it's good enough even though leopard has some annoying features
May 14 12:56:08 <n800n> i dunno man, gimp does a lot of cool stuff
May 14 12:56:14 <n800n> brushes too
May 14 12:56:22 <johnx> n800n, don't get me wrong...I love gimp
May 14 12:56:33 <johnx> I can't stand photoshop myself
May 14 12:56:51 <johnx> but she's been using it for a long time and she's just grumpy that she has to relearn stuff
May 14 12:56:55 <johnx> It's understandable
May 14 12:57:01 <n800n> yeah
May 14 12:57:33 <n800n> has she tried inkscape?
May 14 12:58:12 <johnx> nah
May 14 12:58:32 <johnx> and she's less angry at gimp as time goes by too
May 14 12:58:38 <johnx> I'll point it out to her though
May 14 12:59:04 <johnx> anyways, I'm gonna catch some sleep...fading fast
May 14 12:59:12 <johnx> 'night all
May 14 12:59:14 <n800n> nighr
May 14 12:59:16 <n800n> t
May 14 12:59:33 <trickie> night
May 14 13:00:56 <dneary> Hi
May 14 13:01:48 <trickie> howdy
May 14 13:05:32 <Navi> damn
May 14 13:05:36 <Navi> missed him
May 14 13:28:39 <JackCrow> does babelfish even handle Snoop-speak?
May 14 14:15:30 <thp> is one of the maemo extras admins around?
May 14 14:55:20 <kikka_> Heya.
May 14 14:55:29 <qwerty12> Hi
May 14 14:55:31 <unixSnob> Any EE folks here understand why this DC adapter doesn't have a voltage switch?  http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=3379358
May 14 14:56:30 <kikka_> Are there updates for openssl avaible? (are there the same problemes with the keys?)
May 14 14:57:05 <unixSnob> It has a power output of 8 watts.  So since power=current * voltage, does that mean the current is 8/5ths on a 5V device?
May 14 14:57:33 <||cw> unixSnob: pretty much all cell phones use 5V these days, and ones that don't can have a little pull-up or down in the tip
May 14 14:58:09 <||cw> as for amps, that's a max rating, a device will only pull what it seens
May 14 14:58:11 <||cw> needs
May 14 14:58:33 <unixSnob> what I'm unsure of is if my device will overdraw that adapter
May 14 14:58:41 <unixSnob> my device needs 2A
May 14 14:59:03 <||cw> sounds like it would
May 14 15:00:31 <unixSnob> The way i understand it, a device will draw what it needs but the PSU must be set on the right voltage.  So I'm confused on how the igo PSU doesn't have a voltage setting
May 14 15:00:37 <kulve> kikka_: I think the openssl in maemo is to old to have that bug
May 14 15:00:43 <kulve> s,to,too,
May 14 15:00:52 <kikka_> kulve, sounds good
May 14 15:01:58 <unixSnob> So, am I looking for a DC adapter that's 10+ watts?
May 14 15:02:09 <kulve> kikka_: I'm not 100% sure though, it's some sarge version. So don't count on my word :)
May 14 15:10:09 <kikka_> kulve, apt-get upgrade upgrades my openssh...
May 14 15:20:13 <||cw> unixSnob: it doesn't have a voltage setting because it is only compatible with 5V devices
May 14 15:21:45 <unixSnob> ||cw: thanks.  I didn't see that anywhere in the specs.
May 14 15:23:35 <qwerty12> Who remembers the bootmenu before fanoush's one? The one for 770 that displayed a penguin in the corner? :)
May 14 15:28:07 <RST38h> KILL ZE PENGUIN! KILL ZE PENGUIN!
May 14 15:28:25 <qwerty12> Tux hater :p
May 14 15:28:55 <RST38h> ugly, smelly bird
May 14 15:29:03 <RST38h> does not fly. eats rotten fish.
May 14 15:29:22 <RST38h> does not sing. isn't edible. pretty stupid, even as birds go.
May 14 15:29:43 <RST38h> no use for head decorations or coats.
May 14 15:29:53 <qwerty12> 0_o
May 14 15:30:03 * unixSnob just read a news article recently about a penguin getting raped by a seal
May 14 15:30:04 <RST38h> no known methods of sexual molestation exist.
May 14 15:30:15 <RST38h> [other than by a seal of course]
May 14 15:30:16 <ricko73> ...bbbbbut penguins are cute
May 14 15:35:02 <unixSnob> ricko73: seals think so too!
May 14 15:35:40 <kulve> kikka_: maybe ssh (as that's not provided by nokia) but I guess it didn't upgrade your libssl
May 14 15:36:49 <kikka_> Hmm
May 14 15:44:15 <Khertan_on_n810> Hi
May 14 15:44:26 <qwerty12> If you have ssh, telnet is not needed?
May 14 15:44:27 <qwerty12> Hi
May 14 15:51:59 <qwerty12> Any one experienced with initfs modifying? I've gone and integrated bootmenu into latest diablo initfs by hand but I don't have enough free space. Except looking at initfs flasher,does anyone else know what files could be removed?
May 14 16:04:49 * qwerty12 is just too sick. I went and integrated fanoush's bootmenu into diablo initfs. A good hours work. My initfs version is now 2008-17-qwerty12-diablo/bootmenu-custom :p
May 14 16:10:14 <RST38h> http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/05/tryanotherholea82d584vx9.jpg
May 14 16:10:59 <qwerty12> w00t, g33k's heaven
May 14 16:11:27 <RST38h> qwerty: And replace Nokia's logo with the original one: http://bp2.blogger.com/_DQk-PjsLD-A/Rs_Ik3vaxjI/AAAAAAAAARs/zmPlPv2ZDbU/s1600-h/120px-Nokia_logo_%281865%29.svg+copy.jpg
May 14 16:11:34 <Navi> bleh
May 14 16:11:54 <Navi> I can't turn on power saving wifi in Debian >_>
May 14 16:11:54 <RST38h> The Rabid Fish better applies to these tablets
May 14 16:11:56 <qwerty12> Hehe, I've seen that one. Ugly :P :)
May 14 16:33:31 <Khertan_on_n810> Hi ... again
May 14 16:34:03 <Khertan_on_n810> someone know how to launch a wlan connection from python ?
May 14 16:34:21 <hrw> exec("ifup wlan0")?
May 14 16:34:40 <hrw> or rather "import os\n os.exec('ifup wlan0')"
May 14 16:35:29 <mgedmin> I think you mean os.system, but does it actually work?
May 14 16:35:34 <mgedmin> on debian ifup usually needs root
May 14 16:35:41 <Khertan_on_n810> this just test the connection ? it does nt init it or launch the selection dialog isn't it ?
May 14 16:35:46 <mgedmin> has maemo hooked it up to icd?
May 14 16:36:04 <_berto_> you can also press Ctrl+Z, type ifup wlan0 and then fg to go back to python :-)))
May 14 16:36:33 <fysa> can't you just try to access the network?
May 14 16:36:36 <hrw> mgedmin: it does not work of course
May 14 16:36:54 <Khertan_on_n810> if i try to access the network i get a dns error
May 14 16:36:54 * mgedmin thought so
May 14 16:37:06 <Khertan_on_n810> but it doesn t init it
May 14 16:39:31 <solmumaha> Khertan_on_n810: conic?
May 14 16:40:05 <Khertan_on_n810> conic ?
May 14 16:40:25 <qwerty12> http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html
May 14 16:40:26 <Khertan_on_n810> is it a python module ?
May 14 16:40:30 <Khertan_on_n810> thx
May 14 16:40:32 <lcuk> with networking i expect the user to be the one to initiate it, even if they say ask first, asking and selecting network dialog takes battery.  MUCH better to just fail unless connected
May 14 16:40:52 <lcuk> but im not here right now ;)
May 14 16:41:12 <KotCzarny> yeah, not here
May 14 16:41:30 <KotCzarny> we all see what you do there
May 14 16:41:38 <qwerty12> Khertan_on_n810, it may be possible to bring up standard maemo internet connection diablo via dbus.
May 14 16:42:11 <solmumaha> Khertan_on_n810: didn't we have this discussion months ago? :)
May 14 16:42:42 <Khertan_on_n810> no month ago this was to not bring the dialog
May 14 16:42:44 <Khertan_on_n810> :)
May 14 16:42:49 <KotCzarny> lol
May 14 16:43:08 <Khertan_on_n810> and scan the availaible ap silently
May 14 16:43:36 <solmumaha> ah
May 14 16:43:41 <dieman> wow
May 14 16:43:47 <dieman> the maemo sdk is on akamai ;)
May 14 16:43:54 <dieman> no wonder its downloading iat nearly 2M/sec
May 14 16:45:40 <timelyx> yes maemo is hosted by akamai
May 14 16:46:52 <dieman> repository.maemo.org is 'not so fast' ;)
May 14 16:47:05 <dieman> now that school is done, getting the sdk installed
May 14 16:47:09 <dieman> going to start working on an app
May 14 16:47:34 <FreeNom> what to use for mobile internet connections with N810 (in Finland)?
May 14 16:47:42 <FreeNom> hi, btw
May 14 16:47:46 <qwerty12> A phone :p
May 14 16:48:20 <FreeNom> hm
May 14 16:48:29 <unixSnob> it pisses me off when vendors withold specs.  What's the power rating of this thing: http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/undcad.html
May 14 16:49:20 <KotCzarny> doesn't look tough
May 14 16:49:22 <FreeNom> Huawei E220 ?
May 14 16:49:25 <KotCzarny> probably simple chip inside
May 14 16:49:34 <KotCzarny> (@ unixsnob)
May 14 16:49:59 <unixSnob> Is a simple chip capable of 2 amps?
May 14 16:50:05 <KotCzarny> not at this price
May 14 16:50:07 <KotCzarny> probably
May 14 16:50:08 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 16:50:18 <dieman> FreeNom: i'd get my hands on something that can do bluetooth and some sort of mobile data
May 14 16:50:29 * dieman uses a nokia 6133, but thats because the USA sucks at data
May 14 16:50:33 <dieman> yay, edge!
May 14 16:50:40 <dieman> i might get 3g in the next 2 years
May 14 16:50:50 <FreeNom> thanks dieman
May 14 16:50:52 <unixSnob> well, dealextreme.com has one for 6 USD, which is capable of 2A (but out of stock)
May 14 16:51:03 <KotCzarny> out of stock doesn't matter
May 14 16:51:05 <FreeNom> found sth like that
May 14 16:51:10 <dieman> i had picked up a 12v->4usb and a usb->nokia plug
May 14 16:51:15 <KotCzarny> i have seen n800 for 160, ouf of stock
May 14 16:51:16 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 16:51:21 <KotCzarny> (160$)
May 14 16:51:25 <dieman> but the 12v->4usb can't do enough power for the n810
May 14 16:51:32 <FreeNom> but only windows and Mac mentioned
May 14 16:51:49 <dieman> if the n810 says its not charging, does it use the power to at least keep the device running instead of using battery?
May 14 16:51:50 <unixSnob> Here's one that can do 2A => http://www.laptoptravel.com/Product.aspx?ID=2019  but the thing looks like it uses a massive transformer
May 14 16:51:55 <timelyx> kulve: the one in chinook is too old
May 14 16:52:03 <timelyx> the one scheduled for diablo is just right
May 14 16:52:17 <timelyx> kulve: i filed a bug, no guarantee it'll be fixed before SR
May 14 16:52:31 <KotCzarny> 2A but at which voltage?
May 14 16:52:32 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 16:52:34 <dieman> FreeNom: what about windows/mac?
May 14 16:52:37 <RST38h> More power! More power!
May 14 16:52:47 <unixSnob> KotCzarny: I need 5V
May 14 16:52:59 <KotCzarny> that was rethorical question
May 14 16:53:04 * RST38h melter a power supply like that once
May 14 16:53:10 <RST38h> s/melter/melted
May 14 16:53:11 <unixSnob> ah, i see what you meant
May 14 16:53:14 <FreeNom> were mentioned with that modem (huawei e220 based)
May 14 16:53:19 <dieman> why 2A?
May 14 16:53:21 <dieman> at 5V?
May 14 16:53:40 <dieman> FreeNom: ahh.
May 14 16:53:46 <FreeNom> :(
May 14 16:53:46 <unixSnob> My portable hotspot demands 2A at 5V (the cradlepoint phs300)
May 14 16:53:46 <dieman> oh for the e220
May 14 16:53:48 <dieman> i see
May 14 16:53:53 <dieman> yeah
May 14 16:54:45 <RST38h> <=15Wt is normal for access points, small routers, etc
May 14 16:55:18 <KotCzarny> i think wrt54g is rated 5v, 1a
May 14 16:55:34 <unixSnob> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115314&doy=14m5&C=SO&U=strat15 <= that one looks impressive.. but not worth 25 euros plus whatever it costs to ship to the US
May 14 16:55:57 <qwerty12> In uk, we use pounds :/
May 14 16:55:57 <RST38h> dlink-624 wants 5V/1.5A
May 14 16:56:06 <RST38h> pounds of what? =)
May 14 16:56:07 <unixSnob> Well, the phs300 also has to drive a CDU680 EVDO modem, which is power hungry too
May 14 16:56:10 <KotCzarny> unixsnob, just find ap that works on 12V
May 14 16:56:15 <KotCzarny> and problem solved
May 14 16:56:16 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 16:56:56 <dieman> heh
May 14 16:57:12 <dieman> you still need electronics if you put it on a car
May 14 16:57:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 16:57:45 <FreeNom> any finns around?
May 14 16:57:45 <KotCzarny> true
May 14 16:57:53 <KotCzarny> (@dieman)
May 14 16:58:11 <unixSnob> dieman: are you talking about the maplin PSU?  it takes 12V input
May 14 16:58:23 <timelyx> FreeNom: people living in finland?
May 14 16:58:28 <FreeNom> yep
May 14 16:58:37 * timelyx looks at hostname
May 14 16:58:46 <KotCzarny> there are people living in finland?
May 14 16:58:48 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 14 16:58:51 <qwerty12> omg
May 14 16:58:52 <FreeNom> :D
May 14 16:58:54 <timelyx> timelyx is n=timeless@a88-115-13-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi (timeless)
May 14 16:59:03 <Navi> Hi timelyx
May 14 16:59:05 <timelyx> i guess i'm unfortunate enough to qualify
May 14 16:59:07 <timelyx> hi Navi
May 14 16:59:09 <FreeNom> ah
May 14 16:59:23 <KotCzarny> timylyx: that could be a shell account :)
May 14 16:59:37 <qwerty12> so elisa-laajakaista like the biggest provider, most Finns I see use Elisa :) (just curious, I'm in UK(
May 14 16:59:41 <Mousey> it could be a ssh proxy
May 14 16:59:44 <timelyx> 07:59 Notice CTCP VERSION reply from timelyx: Snak for Macintosh 5.3.3 English
May 14 16:59:56 <timelyx> ime ssh proxies cause the ident to say "root"
May 14 16:59:58 <KotCzarny> ctcp version can be faked
May 14 16:59:58 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 16:59:59 <timelyx> which is quite amusing :)
May 14 17:00:07 <Mousey> they do? mine doesn't
May 14 17:00:07 <timelyx> trust me?
May 14 17:00:15 <Khertan_on_n810> snak ? it s still exist
May 14 17:00:16 <KotCzarny> trust no1
May 14 17:00:18 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:00:26 <timelyx> Mousey: i used to come from a spiffy uni server
May 14 17:00:31 <timelyx> via ssh forwarding
May 14 17:00:35 <timelyx> and my ident was root@
May 14 17:00:35 <Mousey> now look at you
May 14 17:00:37 <timelyx> it was very amusing :)
May 14 17:00:51 <Mousey> i always come from a ssh proxy and it never says root
May 14 17:00:57 <KotCzarny>  ~root@ ?
May 14 17:00:58 <Mousey> NEVER!!!
May 14 17:00:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:01:04 * Mousey waves menacingly
May 14 17:01:13 <timelyx> KotCzarny: authenticated root@
May 14 17:01:29 <KotCzarny> identd can be faking too :)
May 14 17:01:45 <timelyx> KotCzarny: the host was a well known server
May 14 17:01:51 <timelyx> it was trustworthy
May 14 17:02:01 <KotCzarny> you could have known server admin :)
May 14 17:02:02 <timelyx> if you irc'd from the box, it reported correctly
May 14 17:02:06 <timelyx> if you used forwarding, it wasn't
May 14 17:02:34 <KotCzarny> could be misconfigured too
May 14 17:02:34 <Navi> :/
May 14 17:02:40 <timelyx> but anyway, ...
May 14 17:02:46 <timelyx> what can i do for you?
May 14 17:02:52 <KotCzarny> sandwich
May 14 17:02:53 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:03:10 <FreeNom> timelyx: have a PM in finnish?
May 14 17:03:15 <KotCzarny> with cheese pls :)
May 14 17:03:48 <timelyx> i don't speak finnish :)
May 14 17:03:51 <timelyx> i'm studying :)
May 14 17:04:05 <FreeNom> hmm
May 14 17:04:11 <Navi> timelyx, really?
May 14 17:04:13 <Navi> Wow
May 14 17:04:21 <FreeNom> sorry then
May 14 17:04:31 <FreeNom> thought u were from here
May 14 17:04:36 <FreeNom> :(
May 14 17:04:40 <Navi> timelyx, why isn't the latest version of microb in diablo?
May 14 17:04:53 <Navi> or uh, the testing build
May 14 17:04:59 <timelyx> Navi: um, what version is in it?
May 14 17:05:12 <Navi> I don't remember
May 14 17:05:19 <timelyx> Navi: we branched for diablo
May 14 17:05:24 <Navi> Ah
May 14 17:05:26 <timelyx> as it happens they're pushing us to pull in more fixes
May 14 17:05:45 <KotCzarny> fix junkies
May 14 17:06:01 <timelyx> so it's quite likely what you'll see is newer than what you got
May 14 17:07:00 <timelyx> KotCzarny: only sometimes
May 14 17:07:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:07:35 <Khertan_on_n810> why google have made a so disturbed gdata python api ???
May 14 17:10:33 <timelyx> Navi: anyway, time for me to attack my router and work on relnotes
May 14 17:10:47 <Navi> k
May 14 17:16:20 <picoshark> hi all, 770 newbie here. installed latest 2007hacker.xxx    can i use http_proxy variable in sources.lst like regular debian?
May 14 17:23:48 <lardman> any LinuxTag attendees about?
May 14 17:24:04 <lcuk> i am but im looking for a new suitcase
May 14 17:24:12 <lardman> :)
May 14 17:24:31 <lardman> I was wondering when we were going to discuss talks & food/drinks/general meeting up
May 14 17:25:16 <lcuk> im not sure, but what i know is me and pupnik arrive on wednesday dinner - so wed night would be good
May 14 17:25:40 <lcuk> http://www.artotel.de/berlin_mitte/berlin.html
May 14 17:25:44 <lcuk> thats where we are
May 14 17:25:45 <lardman> I arrive on Tuesday evening, so would work for me
May 14 17:26:21 * mgedmin is going to linuxtag too
May 14 17:26:22 <lardman> lcuk: are your bookings though the Nokia travel agent?
May 14 17:26:23 <Navi> http://www.xenf.net/images/cellwriter_n800.png <- Debian is cool :o
May 14 17:26:24 <lcuk> we have wireless internet in room, so emailing would be possible
May 14 17:26:31 <lcuk> yes
May 14 17:26:51 <lardman> mgedmin: when are you getting there?
May 14 17:26:59 <lcuk> mgedmin, are you going with nokia or under your own steam
May 14 17:27:07 <mgedmin> nokia
May 14 17:27:07 <lardman> lcuk: I seem to remember Quim saying that all the attendees would be at the same hotel?
May 14 17:27:12 <qwerty12> I've gone and untarred debian, I'm trying it now :)
May 14 17:27:26 <keesj> Navi: looks cool
May 14 17:27:26 <mgedmin> let me check... 27 may is tuesday, right?
May 14 17:27:29 <Navi> qwerty12, hard to use without swap
May 14 17:27:47 <lcuk> yes
May 14 17:27:55 <qwerty12> Navi, :/. I'll go and make one later :)
May 14 17:28:01 <dougt> does anyone know which scratchbox package bfd.h is part of?
May 14 17:28:05 <keesj> horray for the new wiki to come!
May 14 17:28:11 <dougt> i thought it was binutils, but no dice.
May 14 17:28:12 <Navi> I just used the one that was made in maemo
May 14 17:28:40 <lcuk> whats the bfd with bfd?
May 14 17:28:59 <dougt> heh
May 14 17:29:08 <dougt> yeah.  BFD!
May 14 17:29:52 <lcuk> lardman, he said he would try
May 14 17:30:03 <lcuk> you arent booked through nokia though are you
May 14 17:30:06 <Navi> qwerty12, the N800 always runs hot though
May 14 17:30:12 <lcuk> hand warmer
May 14 17:30:19 <Navi> I can't turn on power saving wifi
May 14 17:30:22 <qwerty12> Navi, I'm used to it :)
May 14 17:30:30 <dougt> Navi: what you mean, the one made in maemo?
May 14 17:30:38 <Navi> the .swap
May 14 17:30:41 <dougt> is it installed in your scratchbox maemo sdk?
May 14 17:30:45 <dougt> ah.
May 14 17:30:52 <dougt> your fu is strong.
May 14 17:30:54 <qwerty12> Navi, how to check power saving? I'll try later.
May 14 17:31:04 <KotCzarny> qwerty: dmesg|tail
May 14 17:31:06 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 17:31:19 <qwerty12> :/. Thanks :/
May 14 17:31:25 <lcuk> gah, between suitcase explosions and dvd burning taking hours (x16 burner at x2 speed \-/)
May 14 17:31:56 <KotCzarny> at least it's not you burning the holes in the plastic
May 14 17:31:57 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:32:17 <lcuk> thats the laser
May 14 17:32:24 * lcuk flexes his fingers when saying that
May 14 17:33:36 <Khertan_on_n810> arg can t open more than 15 xterm window ...
May 14 17:33:56 <dougt> another question.  Is there a way to ensure that power mode is complete disabled and we are running as fast as possible.  I have a device that is used for testing Fennec, and it runs over a page loading test to watch memory growth.   I don't want to have mess with UI to enable/disable power settings.
May 14 17:33:59 <lcuk> yes i run into that problem every day
May 14 17:34:04 <qwerty12> Khertan_on_n810, I think max value somewhere needs increasing
May 14 17:34:11 <qwerty12> Check in osso-af-init somwhere
May 14 17:34:27 <Khertan_on_n810> thx !
May 14 17:35:00 <lardman> lcuk: Do we need to get tickets for LinuxTag ourselves, or do we get them automatically?
May 14 17:35:11 <lcuk> dougt, yes, write "performance" to /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor    to run at full speed, revert to "ondemand" or "powersave" when done
May 14 17:35:37 <lcuk> lardman, im not sure and if you find out this week could you mail me
May 14 17:35:46 <lardman> will do
May 14 17:36:11 <lardman> with that said I'm away most of the week so probably in the same boat as you are
May 14 17:36:21 <lcuk> infact, would be better to post onto dev list so everyone needing to know will find out
May 14 17:36:42 <lcuk> ask the question there? then we see replies
May 14 17:36:50 <KotCzarny> or make a faq
May 14 17:36:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 17:36:57 <KotCzarny> and post a link repeatedly
May 14 17:37:20 <dougt> thanks lcuk !
May 14 17:37:35 <lcuk> right, my 810 - if im taking it on the plane how do i get into wireless OFF mode?
May 14 17:38:20 <sp3000> power button, short press
May 14 17:38:31 <lardman> if the plane starts shuddering shut down
May 14 17:38:43 <lcuk> lol thx sp
May 14 17:39:04 <lcuk> that disables bluetooth as well doesnt it
May 14 17:39:29 <sp3000> looks like it yeah
May 14 17:39:47 <lcuk> cool thx
May 14 17:40:57 <picoshark> where can i get ncurses? looks like it's missing at http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/n/ncurses/ncurses-base_5.5-1_all.deb
May 14 17:41:21 <Navi> ncurses is in the main repo, isn't it?
May 14 17:41:51 <picoshark> navi: haven't checked the ver there, actually
May 14 17:42:16 <picoshark> navi: until i get proxy set, i have to grab debs on another machine, then move them over
May 14 17:43:13 <lcuk> w000t dvd 97% complete
May 14 17:55:11 * Navi yawns
May 14 18:16:11 <Grackle> johnx: Are you around? I'm curious about what you're doing to get debian set up on the n800. I know you provide tarballs, but I'm more interested in the process.
May 14 18:17:31 <KotCzarny> i think he put howto on maemo.org
May 14 18:17:33 <KotCzarny> or itt
May 14 18:18:29 <RST38h> Force Feedback Headphones
May 14 18:18:37 <RST38h> Umgh.
May 14 18:18:58 * unixSnob never heard of linuxtag till now
May 14 18:18:58 <KotCzarny> rst: sounds like a 'good idea [tm]'
May 14 18:19:11 <Grackle> The howto is 'how to get the tarball onto your n800,' which is simple enough. I'm interested in the 'how I did it' section, which is now obsolete.
May 14 18:19:34 <unixSnob> I see Stallman in the photos at linuxtag.org.. what was he doing there?  trying to get them to change the name to gnulinuxtag?
May 14 18:19:37 <KotCzarny> grackle: ahm, but i think it's there, even obsoleted
May 14 18:20:14 <Grackle> Hah RST38h, a friend of mine has some force feedback headphones. Despite the silly marketspeak, they are quality headphones and a lot of fun with games.
May 14 18:20:32 <Stskeeps> Grackle: http://rafb.net/p/Sf0fdf80.html from earlier
May 14 18:20:36 <johnx> hey Grackle
May 14 18:20:41 <johnx> just woke up actually
May 14 18:20:41 <Grackle> Oh, thanks.
May 14 18:20:47 <Stskeeps> ah, real johnx came around :P
May 14 18:20:53 <Grackle> oh hey
May 14 18:21:28 <johnx> so what about the process?
May 14 18:21:35 <Grackle> Are you running i386 debootstrap?
May 14 18:21:36 <johnx> I guess I should do a big write-up
May 14 18:21:45 <johnx> yup
May 14 18:21:48 <RST38h> Grackle: But do they force-feedback? =)
May 14 18:21:48 <Grackle> That would be very nice, heh.
May 14 18:21:57 <johnx> I do debootstrap --foreign from x86
May 14 18:22:04 <Grackle> I guess so, RST38h. They rumble.
May 14 18:22:09 <johnx> then set it up for usb networking
May 14 18:22:30 <RST38h> oh
May 14 18:22:31 <johnx> and installed a static dropbear ssh
May 14 18:22:36 <Grackle> Oh, --foreign is what I was missing, I think.
May 14 18:23:15 <johnx> I also grabbed tablet-utils from pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org's bzr repo
May 14 18:23:49 <johnx> hmm...it's been a long time since I've done this from scratch :)
May 14 18:24:03 <johnx> I've been "evolving" the same install for months now
May 14 18:24:30 <RST38h> "How to rescue Java from the men in suits"
May 14 18:24:47 <RST38h> (Jesus, please, don't let 'em "rescue java"!)
May 14 18:24:53 <Grackle> johnx: Ah, I was afraid of that.
May 14 18:25:08 <RST38h> let it f@#king die how it should, so that we no longer have to deal with this crap
May 14 18:25:35 <flo_lap> RST38h: heh
May 14 18:25:50 <johnx> Grackle, it's not too bad to start from scratch as long as you have a machine to do usb networking from
May 14 18:25:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: there's always diff -ru comparing your tar.gz and your debootstrap ;)
May 14 18:26:09 <johnx> Stskeeps, heh :)
May 14 18:26:14 <Grackle> Cool johnx, I'll give it a shot. This should be fun.
May 14 18:26:27 <johnx> Grackle, it definitely was :)
May 14 18:26:29 <Grackle> I'll try to make notes along the way to add to the wiki.
May 14 18:27:15 <johnx> that would be great!
May 14 18:27:27 <johnx> aaah...just remembered: I used utelnetd, not dropbear
May 14 18:27:37 <johnx> and I had it run sh instead of login
May 14 18:27:59 <johnx> basically you can get a single user shell really early in the init process that way
May 14 18:28:55 <johnx> I also have a "how I did it" for the first debian release thing up here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian-old
May 14 18:29:11 <johnx> if you get stuck use that...but I really don't do it quite that way any more
May 14 18:29:59 <Grackle> The debootstrap line works though, right?
May 14 18:30:11 <johnx> yeah
May 14 18:30:31 <johnx> and usb-net+utelnetd is the quickest way to get started
May 14 18:30:32 <trickie> johnx: hey! where is that bzr repo? for tablet-utils
May 14 18:30:57 <johnx> hidden away on pkg-maemo.alioth.debian.org
May 14 18:31:11 <johnx> even I didn't know about it until the second release of debian O_o
May 14 18:31:21 <johnx> let me find a link
May 14 18:31:25 <trickie> cool no rush
May 14 18:32:33 <johnx> http://bzr.debian.org/pkg-maemo/
May 14 18:33:12 <trickie> ta
May 14 18:33:59 <Grackle> Gah, I trimmed my nails today.. *struggles to get his N800 battery out*
May 14 18:34:08 <johnx> credit card
May 14 18:34:19 <johnx> or just slap it around a bit :)
May 14 18:34:39 <Grackle> I got it out with a plastic thing on my desk
May 14 18:35:02 <Grackle> I didn't want to hit it, but I guess there aren't really any moving parts to damage.
May 14 18:35:12 <Grackle> Hell, I dropped it on the floor once, and it's still doing fine.
May 14 18:35:37 <johnx> the more you pull the battery the less hard you have to hit it
May 14 18:35:53 <johnx> I can just hold mine and kind of give it a firm tap
May 14 18:36:30 <Grackle> Ah, yeah, it's just held in place by a couple tabs.
May 14 18:38:16 * Grackle runs debootstrap
May 14 18:39:18 <Grackle> Hmm, no binary-armel on that mirror
May 14 18:42:59 <johnx> interesting
May 14 18:43:06 <johnx> ftp.debian.org?
May 14 18:43:14 <johnx> all the country mirrors seem to have it
May 14 18:44:34 <Navi> hey johnx
May 14 18:44:38 <johnx> hey
May 14 18:45:01 <Grackle> Yup, I just tried the us mirror and it's working.
May 14 18:45:09 <johnx> Navi, ah, power saving and debian?
May 14 18:45:12 <Navi> the wifi chip's always running on the N800 in Debian so it's hot :P
May 14 18:45:23 <johnx> yeah
May 14 18:45:31 <Grackle> ftp.debian-ports.org didn't have it, and I tried another mirror that didn't have something else, but the us mirror seems to be working.
May 14 18:45:40 <johnx> I wonder what wlancond does to make it go into power saving mode :|
May 14 18:45:59 <johnx> ah, debian ports doesn't have it anymore
May 14 18:46:12 <Navi> >_>
May 14 18:46:44 <Navi> Cell writer is cool though
May 14 18:46:53 <johnx> yeah, though a little slow
May 14 18:47:01 <johnx> I mean slow to use, not really slow to run
May 14 18:47:06 <Navi> yeah
May 14 18:47:18 <Navi> I keep it in the tray
May 14 18:47:21 <johnx> writing in monospace just isn't natural
May 14 18:47:26 <Navi> hide/unhide when I need it
May 14 18:47:43 * johnx misses grafiti 1
May 14 18:48:05 <Navi> heh
May 14 18:48:07 <johnx> even though it ruined my actual handwriting
May 14 18:48:19 <Navi> :)
May 14 18:49:11 <Navi> I don't know how to switch out WMs on this thing, so I just killed xfdesktop, xfce4-session, and xfwm and replaced it with openbox
May 14 18:49:28 <johnx> I was just about to document that :)
May 14 18:49:40 <Grackle> hah Navi, I did the exact same thing
May 14 18:49:47 <Navi> two hour uptime atm, 50MB ram and 50MB swap used
May 14 18:49:48 <johnx> rc.local has a really odd hack that calls /home/user/.xsession
May 14 18:49:58 <Navi> though, only thing open is cell writer
May 14 18:50:19 <Navi> :)
May 14 18:50:40 <Navi> ah
May 14 18:50:42 <Navi> got it
May 14 18:50:43 <Grackle> Oh, I tried editing .xsession to exec openbox-session (openbox-gnome-session calls on gnome-session, which doesn't exist), and that didn't work.
May 14 18:50:49 <Navi> crap
May 14 18:50:53 <johnx> I really didn't want to drag down a whole display manager and all pain that goes with it :(
May 14 18:51:12 <Navi> I'm used to using vi
May 14 18:51:14 <Navi> on the tablet
May 14 18:51:23 <Navi> >_>
May 14 18:51:31 <Grackle> yay
May 14 18:51:58 <Grackle> I actually compiled vim on my n800
May 14 18:52:05 <Navi> There was a vim build
May 14 18:52:06 <Navi> :/
May 14 18:52:19 <johnx> Grackle, just for bragging writes?
May 14 18:52:19 <Grackle> I've got a deb. Hold on.
May 14 18:52:26 <johnx> s/writes/rights
May 14 18:52:54 <Grackle> I just got a build system set up, and I wondered what I could build. vim was the guinea pig
May 14 18:52:54 <Navi> Anyways, vi build on Debian doesn't let you use arrows
May 14 18:53:21 <Navi> so I need to relearn to type vim
May 14 18:53:52 <Grackle> Aw, I was using my friend's server to host files, but I think he's going home from college today. The server is down, anyway.
May 14 18:54:06 <Grackle> alias vi to vim
May 14 18:54:13 <Navi> meh
May 14 18:54:15 <Navi> nah
May 14 18:54:23 * Grackle shrugs
May 14 18:54:26 <Navi> I'd rather relearn that extra character
May 14 18:55:32 <Grackle> Oh, johnx, if you have a USB keyboard hooked up, can you switch to virtual consoles?
May 14 18:55:49 <johnx> yup
May 14 18:55:50 <keesj> include <maemo.h> #define BEGIN {
May 14 18:55:56 <Grackle> hahhh that's awesome
May 14 18:56:07 <johnx> yeah...I was having entirely too much fun
May 14 18:56:21 <MajMin7> does anyone have a link to chinook source repositories?
May 14 18:56:22 <Navi> lawl
May 14 18:56:43 <Navi> I forgot that synergy doesn't capture ctrl+alt+1
May 14 18:56:50 <wnight> Does rlfe work for anyone? I'm trying to get readline support for irb.
May 14 18:56:57 <Navi> so I switched on my desktop >_>
May 14 18:57:01 <johnx> MajMin7, at least some is here: http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo4.0.1/free/source/
May 14 18:57:13 <johnx> Navi, chvt
May 14 18:57:25 <Navi> eh
May 14 18:58:12 <Grackle> lol Navi
May 14 18:58:37 <Navi> matchbox keyboard is annoying
May 14 18:59:04 <Navi> there's the main keyboard that would be perfectly usable with thumbs when stretched out
May 14 18:59:21 <Navi> and then there's the four rarely used buttons on the side with a huge chunk of whitespace below
May 14 18:59:37 <johnx> I think you can feed it a different layout
May 14 18:59:51 <johnx> Please, fix it and tell me. :)
May 14 18:59:58 <Navi> If that isn't a huge wtf, I don't know what is.
May 14 19:00:32 <Grackle> I dislike the fact that the matchbox keyboard keys have spaces in between them.
May 14 19:00:39 <johnx> me too
May 14 19:00:41 <Navi> I tried finding it, but it doesn't mention it in the man page
May 14 19:00:52 <Navi> nor on google
May 14 19:01:12 <Navi> I'm fine with that
May 14 19:01:19 <johnx> dpkg -L matchbox-keyboard
May 14 19:01:21 <Navi> it keeps me from accidentally tapping the key next to it
May 14 19:02:13 <Grackle> Haha, from matchbox-project.org. Features... "Well Documented." *clicks on 'Documented' link* FOUR OH FOUR!
May 14 19:02:42 <Navi> johnx, comes with different layouts
May 14 19:02:56 <johnx> great
May 14 19:03:21 <johnx> I'll poke at it in a sec
May 14 19:03:21 <Navi> xml files
May 14 19:03:24 <Navi> easy 'nuff
May 14 19:03:35 * Navi deletes
May 14 19:04:31 <johnx> heh...We can have a ginormous number pad
May 14 19:04:35 <johnx> someone has to want that
May 14 19:04:41 <Grackle> http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/README Navi, here's some documentation on matchbox-keyboard (worth noting is the section on keyboard layouts)
May 14 19:04:41 <Navi> >_>
May 14 19:05:31 <johnx> Navi, and the same README is in /usr/share/doc/matchbox-keyboard of course :P
May 14 19:06:26 <Navi> pfft
May 14 19:06:31 <Navi> awesome
May 14 19:06:42 <Navi> I removed the space tags and now I have a big keyboard
May 14 19:07:21 <Navi> scrot time
May 14 19:07:29 <Navi> btw
May 14 19:07:40 <Navi> it bugs me that the user account is expired :P
May 14 19:08:42 <johnx> password -u user
May 14 19:08:51 <johnx> why do I even write wikis? >_>
May 14 19:08:54 <Navi> http://www.xenf.net/images/matchbox-keyboard.png
May 14 19:08:58 <Navi> Because you suck
May 14 19:09:11 <johnx> that looks nice
May 14 19:09:13 <johnx> I forgive you
May 14 19:09:23 <Grackle> haha
May 14 19:09:23 <Navi> :P
May 14 19:09:33 <Grackle> oh very nice
May 14 19:09:34 <Grackle> also huge
May 14 19:09:58 <Navi> huge indeed
May 14 19:10:11 <pupnik_> wow a virtual keyboard with things in the right place
May 14 19:10:14 * pupnik_ falls over
May 14 19:10:15 <Navi> lets me thumb around
May 14 19:10:15 <Grackle> I think I'd prefer having the numpad and no number row
May 14 19:10:35 <johnx> Grackle, just crack open an xml file :)
May 14 19:10:40 <Navi> Just make your own
May 14 19:10:41 <Navi> yeah
May 14 19:10:42 <KotCzarny> pupnik: ever seen xvkbd ? :)
May 14 19:10:45 <Grackle> yup, I probably will
May 14 19:10:48 <Grackle> the default sucks
May 14 19:10:49 <johnx> you can even keep more layouts around and launch them with separate shortcuts :D
May 14 19:10:50 <Navi> you can have shifted keys
May 14 19:11:10 <Navi> I'm going to add a numpad on the shifted symbol state
May 14 19:11:11 <pupnik_> yeah KotCzarny i need to promote xvkbd more
May 14 19:11:18 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:11:22 <Navi> and take out the top row
May 14 19:11:26 <pupnik_> since xkbd is broken on os2008
May 14 19:11:31 <Navi> change \ to backspace
May 14 19:12:08 <Navi> http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/keyboard.xml
May 14 19:12:14 <Navi> that's what I have in the screenie
May 14 19:12:33 <Grackle> So, somehow I really borked my ITOS installation. I'm not sure what I did (I think I just shut down improperly), but now I no longer have controls (scroll bars, sliders, buttons) and some other graphical elements are missing.
May 14 19:12:50 <johnx> O_o
May 14 19:13:09 <Grackle> It is very strange, to say the least.
May 14 19:13:12 <lcuk> Grackle, head down to engineering and control the ship from there
May 14 19:13:18 <KotCzarny> grackle: try selecting another theme?
May 14 19:13:38 <Grackle> Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. I'll give that a shot.
May 14 19:13:40 * Grackle boots back up
May 14 19:13:45 <lcuk> how can you select another theme if you cannot click apply?
May 14 19:13:48 <Grackle> I was about to reflash.
May 14 19:14:01 <Grackle> Well, I have buttons, but they have no borders.
May 14 19:14:02 <KotCzarny> lcuk: click frenzy
May 14 19:14:05 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:14:06 <Grackle> I don't have scrollbars at all
May 14 19:14:06 <Navi> The manpage needs to not suck for matchbox-keyboard
May 14 19:14:12 <Navi> I'm going to go send them an email
May 14 19:14:34 <Grackle> The scroll buttons on the big sidebar menus work, even though they can't be seen
May 14 19:15:02 <Grackle> hah, the brightness adjust works even though the graphic is not there
May 14 19:15:12 <lcuk> have you lost the grapics folder its expecting to find
May 14 19:16:01 <Grackle> Different theme does not fix it. It still has the same problems.
May 14 19:16:08 <Grackle> Oh well, I will reflash, there is nothing important on here.
May 14 19:16:20 <johnx> one sec
May 14 19:16:25 <KotCzarny> that's why having ssh-server is useful
May 14 19:16:28 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:16:31 <johnx> I thought I saw a similar thread on itt
May 14 19:16:39 <Grackle> it's still pretty usable
May 14 19:16:43 <Grackle> I do have ssh-server
May 14 19:17:01 <Grackle> the virtual keyboards are usable, the buttons just don't have lines around them
May 14 19:17:33 <Grackle> oh wow, I can access the shared folder on my desktop machine
May 14 19:17:36 <Grackle> that hasn't worked before
May 14 19:18:02 <Grackle> hah, my nonexistant scrollbars work
May 14 19:18:59 <Saviq> hi all, when I want to use internal sd card on my n800 to boot from, what do I need the vfat partition for?
May 14 19:19:07 <johnx> you don't
May 14 19:19:22 <Saviq> so I can simply format the whole card to ext2 and that's it?
May 14 19:19:35 <johnx> the only reason to keep it is to share files with a windows computer
May 14 19:19:43 <KotCzarny> heh
May 14 19:19:45 <KotCzarny> not only
May 14 19:19:57 <KotCzarny> it's only useful to stop 'corrupted card' nagging
May 14 19:19:59 <Grackle> If you plan on booting into the ITOS, it's handy to have that vfat partition.
May 14 19:20:03 <johnx> KotCzarny, eh?
May 14 19:20:04 <Grackle> and that
May 14 19:20:19 <johnx> I've never run into that at all...
May 14 19:20:26 <Grackle> I had that problem
May 14 19:20:49 <johnx> ok, well there you have it, 2/3 #maemo'ers recommend a vfat partition :)
May 14 19:20:54 <KotCzarny> johnx: it's not corrupted card
May 14 19:20:59 <Saviq> Grackle: booting into ITOS meaning the system from flash?
May 14 19:21:06 <Grackle> yeah
May 14 19:21:09 <KotCzarny> it's just mounter saying that it can't mount
May 14 19:21:17 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:21:21 <johnx> right, but I've never run into that
May 14 19:21:30 <KotCzarny> (and it expects vfat on first partition)
May 14 19:21:42 <KotCzarny> me too, but i have vfat partition anyway
May 14 19:22:38 <Saviq> one more question - when I set my root device to ask:mmc2 the selected entry was the external card, isn't the mmc2 the internal card?
May 14 19:22:38 <Grackle> johnx, any luck finding that thread?
May 14 19:22:43 * Grackle didn't find anything
May 14 19:22:52 <johnx> not yet...but I *swear* it exists
May 14 19:23:31 <Grackle> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14915&highlight=disappeared I found it, wee
May 14 19:23:49 <johnx> ah, disappeared. I was googling missing
May 14 19:29:02 <Grackle> Saviq, I noticed that as well. I've never waited for the timeout to finish to see if it actually boots the right one.
May 14 19:29:38 <Saviq> I'll try and get back to you
May 14 19:29:45 <Grackle> cool
May 14 19:30:10 <Grackle> Well johnx, the fix mentioned in that thread worked. Thanks.
May 14 19:30:13 <Grackle> Sure was strange..
May 14 19:30:30 <johnx> yeah, that is one incredibly odd problem
May 14 19:31:10 <johnx> yeah, Navi, I'm having no luck with power management
May 14 19:31:23 <KotCzarny> :/
May 14 19:32:00 <johnx> just the wireless card I mean
May 14 19:32:31 <johnx> wlancond must prod it in some special way to turn on power management
May 14 19:33:12 <KotCzarny> it's about CAM timeout, probably
May 14 19:33:32 <johnx> CAM timeout?
May 14 19:33:48 <KotCzarny> that's from dmesg
May 14 19:33:59 <johnx> oh, neat
May 14 19:34:06 <KotCzarny> cx3110x: PSM dynamic with 100 ms CAM timeout.
May 14 19:34:08 <KotCzarny> etc
May 14 19:34:15 <johnx> 100ms O_o
May 14 19:34:16 <KotCzarny> 200ms is moderate
May 14 19:34:20 <KotCzarny> and 4000ms is max
May 14 19:34:28 <johnx> heh...that explains a lot
May 14 19:34:55 <johnx> I just ran iwconfig wlan0 power on and it set to 51020 ms
May 14 19:34:58 <KotCzarny> i'm amazed it's the first time you see it
May 14 19:35:01 <johnx> that doesn't seem helpful :/
May 14 19:35:14 <johnx> I just started working on this power management stuff
May 14 19:35:17 <KotCzarny> 51s ?
May 14 19:35:18 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 14 19:35:23 <johnx> heh...yeah
May 14 19:35:39 <Grackle> haha o_O
May 14 19:35:44 <KotCzarny> i think it's different setting
May 14 19:36:12 <johnx> unfortunately...most of the iwconfig power commands don't work
May 14 19:36:22 <johnx> the wext implementation is pretty thin
May 14 19:36:52 <KotCzarny> better than nothing, though
May 14 19:37:01 <Grackle> Any idea why I can't mount ext2 partitions on my (OS2008) tablet? I have e2fsprogs installed. I'm trying mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/scratch, and mount tells me that mounting blah on blah failed
May 14 19:37:06 <johnx> KotCzarny, oh definitely
May 14 19:37:44 <KotCzarny> grackle: missing module?
May 14 19:37:50 <KotCzarny> grackle: cat /proc/filesystems
May 14 19:37:59 <johnx> it should support ext2 with the default kernel
May 14 19:38:03 <johnx> what does dmesg say?
May 14 19:38:03 <KotCzarny> if ext2 is missing just load the module
May 14 19:38:42 <Grackle> modprobe can't parse modules.dep
May 14 19:38:48 <Grackle> That sounds like it might be the problem.
May 14 19:39:04 <KotCzarny> you can insmod
May 14 19:39:07 <KotCzarny> or symlink
May 14 19:39:09 <johnx> OS2008 doesn't use modules.dep/modprobe
May 14 19:39:13 <johnx> by default
May 14 19:39:15 <KotCzarny> johnx: not true
May 14 19:39:17 <Grackle> hm
May 14 19:39:21 <KotCzarny> it uses
May 14 19:39:27 <KotCzarny> but modules are in different place
May 14 19:39:31 <Grackle> In the past I haven't had to insmod anything to get ext2 to work
May 14 19:39:32 <KotCzarny> ie. on /mnt/initfs
May 14 19:39:37 <KotCzarny> instead in /lib/modules
May 14 19:39:40 <johnx> ah, fair enough
May 14 19:39:44 <KotCzarny> if you symlink properly it works
May 14 19:39:52 <KotCzarny> i have just copied whole dir
May 14 19:39:58 <johnx> *you* can't use modprobe on OS2008 unless you symlink things into place or move them
May 14 19:40:08 <KotCzarny> johnx: that's better
May 14 19:40:09 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:40:50 <Grackle> Where are the modules? /lib/modules is nonexistant
May 14 19:41:10 <KotCzarny> search in /mnt/initfs
May 14 19:41:32 <Grackle> oh right
May 14 19:42:22 <Grackle> Unknown symbols and other strangeness.
May 14 19:42:45 <Grackle> I wonder if this is the installation that I tried flashing kernels on.
May 14 19:42:58 <KotCzarny> grackle: ext2/3 have some deps
May 14 19:43:07 <KotCzarny> don't remember the name
May 14 19:43:27 <johnx> mbcache
May 14 19:43:36 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 14 19:43:43 <johnx> and jbd for ext3
May 14 19:44:03 <Grackle> oh, yay
May 14 19:44:16 <Grackle> mounted
May 14 19:44:20 <Grackle> thanks
May 14 19:45:08 <KotCzarny> that would be 5EUR
May 14 19:45:11 <KotCzarny> *ding*
May 14 19:46:42 <Grackle> http://www.american.edu/carmel/sk3207a/EuroPNew-05ECU-2002-donatedbig_f.jpg Here y'are!
May 14 19:46:56 <Saviq> Grackle: the correct name for internal is immc2 in the default setup
May 14 19:47:28 <Grackle> Oh, okay. So if you set immc2, it autoselects the right one?
May 14 19:47:46 <cjohnson> I have an n800, with dual 2GB SD cards. For some reason, the internal gets mounted to mmc2 and the external gets mounted to mmc1 automatically
May 14 19:47:47 <Saviq> yes, but it defaults to partition 2 anyway
May 14 19:47:58 <Saviq> I'm editing bootmenu.sh to boot from partition 1
May 14 19:48:00 <cjohnson> how can I reverse this? there's nothing in /etc/fstab about either one
May 14 19:48:36 <KotCzarny> cjohnson: fstan is ignored on tablet anyway
May 14 19:48:44 <KotCzarny> fstab
May 14 19:48:57 <cjohnson> So what can I do?
May 14 19:49:01 <Grackle> cjohnson: That's correct, actually. internal is normally mmc2
May 14 19:49:15 <cjohnson> Grackle, I'm trying to follow this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Extending_the_n800%27s_Root_File_System_to_the_MMC
May 14 19:49:29 <cjohnson> To extend my internal storage to my internal SD card
May 14 19:49:36 <KotCzarny> extending sucks
May 14 19:49:39 <KotCzarny> cloning rocks
May 14 19:49:40 <cjohnson> but the guide is expecting it all to get on mmc1, not mmc2
May 14 19:49:40 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:49:56 <cjohnson> I tried swapping references to mmc1 with mmc2
May 14 19:50:00 <Grackle> cjohnson: The general consensus is that booting from the card is a lot better and easier than extending.
May 14 19:50:16 <cjohnson> Grackle, where might I find a guide for that then?
May 14 19:50:31 <Grackle> It's faster, and it leaves you with a working OS on the internal flash, so you can fix things if your standard one breaks.
May 14 19:50:32 <cjohnson> I don't really care how, I just want more storage space for apps
May 14 19:50:51 <egsavage> cjohnson: I'd just make a new filesystem on the mem card and get out of the builtin RAM
May 14 19:51:00 <Grackle> There is a page on the wiki, if I can just find it..
May 14 19:51:18 <Grackle> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOW_TO:_Simplest_and_Complete_Cloning_of_OS_to_MMC%3B_Dual-Booting cjohnson
May 14 19:51:56 <Grackle> cjohnson: And here are simplified instructions: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631
May 14 19:52:21 <cjohnson> Grackle, awesome, thanks :D
May 14 19:52:29 <egsavage> it will be a tad faster too - no compressed filesystem anymore ;-)
May 14 19:52:34 <Grackle> you're welcome
May 14 19:52:49 <KotCzarny> egsavage: assuming your sd card is fast
May 14 19:52:50 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 19:53:18 <egsavage> well, you'll still get back some CPU cycles  no matter what
May 14 19:53:25 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:53:53 <cjohnson> heh
May 14 19:54:03 <cjohnson> Is there a way to determine the speed of the card?
May 14 19:54:08 <cjohnson> it didn't mention it on packaging
May 14 19:54:31 <gpd> anyone got anything bad to say about the Nokia E51 before I commit to purchase?
May 14 19:54:54 <johnx> 51 is an awfully small number...
May 14 19:55:05 <GeneralAntilles> E isn't a very pretty letter, either.
May 14 19:55:25 <cjohnson> E51 looks like esi, and I have no idea what that stands for
May 14 19:55:27 <cjohnson> I'd be pretty upset
May 14 19:55:31 <Grackle> haha johnx
May 14 19:55:41 <gpd> ah - but it is e51... or 10^51 ...  ;)
May 14 19:55:58 <johnx> aaah, much better
May 14 19:56:08 <gpd> ok - BUY BUY BUY!
May 14 19:56:21 <cjohnson> brilliant
May 14 19:57:04 <gpd> any reason to pay 30 GBP extra to get from Nokia... rather than for example - www.play.com
May 14 19:57:25 <KotCzarny> simlock?
May 14 19:57:26 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 19:58:00 <gpd> ok - this one is unlocked - can't think of any other reasons
May 14 19:58:05 <Blafasel> Nice.. E51 without camera would be neat.
May 14 19:58:38 <gpd> yeah - not yet released but on their site. wonder how much lighter.
May 14 19:59:06 <cjohnson> So in these guides, it creates 2 partitions, ususally 512MB for the first one. What is that partition for? Storage?
May 14 19:59:26 <gpd> and I don't need to spend ages researching Blackberries - 'cos they are evil - correct?
May 14 19:59:41 <gpd> or at least they will give no benefit to my N800.
May 14 20:00:31 <Grackle> cjohnson: the first partition is vfat, it's there because the second partiton will be the system partition, and it still needs something to mount as mmc2
May 14 20:00:50 <cjohnson> Grackle, so could I just make it 1mb?
May 14 20:00:54 <Grackle> sure
May 14 20:00:59 <cjohnson> alright
May 14 20:01:29 <cjohnson> I have a second card for storage
May 14 20:01:39 <cjohnson> And I have my iPod for heavy storage
May 14 20:02:20 <gpd> [wow - mentioning 'blackberry' elicits zero response... hmm]
May 14 20:02:39 <cjohnson> blackberry is the devil
May 14 20:02:41 <cjohnson> stay away!
May 14 20:02:43 <cjohnson> beware!
May 14 20:02:44 <Grackle> oh heh, I didn't notice
May 14 20:02:47 <cjohnson> the power of christ compels you!
May 14 20:02:48 <gpd> ok - better - thanks :)
May 14 20:02:52 <cjohnson> :P
May 14 20:02:58 <Grackle> A friend of mine had a blackberry, he seemed to like it. :P
May 14 20:03:25 <Grackle> I would rather have an n810 though
May 14 20:03:55 <Grackle> An N800 wouldn't work for him, because he needed the keyboard (rather, his wife needed the keyboard, because she is mostly deaf and couldn't use it as a phone)
May 14 20:03:56 <cjohnson> I'd rather actually have an n800
May 14 20:04:00 <Blafasel> Yeah, great. None of the network providers here supports the E51 _without_ camera. =(
May 14 20:04:09 <cjohnson> The only reason I want the n800 more is the dual SD slots
May 14 20:04:22 <cjohnson> other than that, more internal storage and a physical keyboard would be great
May 14 20:04:31 <Grackle> Hmm, I didn't realize the N810 didn't have dual SD slots.
May 14 20:04:33 <cjohnson> but it's 200 bucks cheaper for n800
May 14 20:04:42 <cjohnson> so that's what i got :D
May 14 20:04:49 <Grackle> Yeah, the price difference sure helped me make up my mind.
May 14 20:04:51 <gpd> no GPS in N800 :(
May 14 20:05:00 <cjohnson> yeah
May 14 20:05:04 <cjohnson> that i sure wish i had
May 14 20:05:07 <cjohnson> but at the same point
May 14 20:05:09 <cjohnson> i can't get maps anyway
May 14 20:05:13 <johnx> well the gps in the n810 isn't all that awesome either...
May 14 20:05:14 <Grackle> I would like a GPS. Meh. I will probably pick up a bluetooth or USB gps.
May 14 20:05:16 <GeneralAntilles> N810 GPS is a joke.
May 14 20:05:18 <gpd> and I am getting sick of my BT GPS dropping out in maemomapper ...
May 14 20:05:23 <GeneralAntilles> Just buy a BT GPS and be done with it.
May 14 20:05:36 <Grackle> Someone in some thread (yay citations) said that the n810 gps problems were all in software.
May 14 20:05:39 <cjohnson> you can't get internet without having a connection through a phone or something
May 14 20:05:46 <cjohnson> so you can't get the maps to go with the gps
May 14 20:05:51 <gpd> the bt GPS was perfect under OS2007 but since 2008 it craps out constantly - unusable in fact.
May 14 20:05:54 <cjohnson> you'd need em before hand, or a ton of storage just for them
May 14 20:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> Not all, Grackle.
May 14 20:06:03 <GeneralAntilles> gpd, sounds like you have a problem
May 14 20:06:05 <GeneralAntilles> It's 100% for me.
May 14 20:06:16 <GeneralAntilles> cjohnson, what are you talking about?
May 14 20:06:22 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: I tried a clean install of 2008 - but still sux.
May 14 20:06:25 <GeneralAntilles> You precache maemo mapper's maps.
May 14 20:06:25 <glass> cjohnson: it's an online oriented device in my eyes anyways so umts phone or similar is a logical companion..
May 14 20:06:32 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: which BT GPS do you have?
May 14 20:06:33 <GeneralAntilles> You at the most recent version of maemo mapper?
May 14 20:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> i-blue 737
May 14 20:06:46 <cjohnson> glass, right, but I would only use GPS in the car, where I don't have any 'net access
May 14 20:07:01 <cjohnson> I have wifi at work, school, and home, and that's where I primarily use it
May 14 20:07:02 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: Mine is iBlue 737... ie. not the standard one :(
May 14 20:07:07 <Grackle> cjohnson: You can download entire maps. Like, US east cost is 700MB.
May 14 20:07:19 <Grackle> east coast*
May 14 20:07:28 <GeneralAntilles> cjohnson, you're still not making sense
May 14 20:07:32 <GeneralAntilles> You don't need internet for the maps.
May 14 20:07:42 <cjohnson> GeneralAntilles, either internet, or save them before hand
May 14 20:07:48 <Grackle> haha >.<
May 14 20:07:56 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: did you change any settings or is it default install?
May 14 20:08:02 <cjohnson> 700MB is pretty hefty for a mobile device like that
May 14 20:08:14 <johnx> 2GB SD cards are $15
May 14 20:08:25 <cjohnson> cheaper usually
May 14 20:08:29 <GeneralAntilles> gpd, tons and tons of settings are changed.
May 14 20:08:38 <cjohnson> regardless, that's a little over 1/3 of that whole card
May 14 20:08:39 <cjohnson> just for GPS
May 14 20:08:41 <GeneralAntilles> cjohnson, you don't need 700MB, make it 150MB.
May 14 20:08:42 <KotCzarny> 8gb is nice
May 14 20:08:50 <GeneralAntilles> Or buy a $30 8GB
May 14 20:09:34 <johnx> there's not much that can be done about maps taking up space. If you buy a dedicated GPS it comes with enough storage for the maps built into it...
May 14 20:09:41 <johnx> either way you're paying for storage
May 14 20:10:01 <johnx> if you buy a phone w/ GPS you end up doing slow, expensive maps transfer OTA
May 14 20:10:33 <cjohnson> GeneralAntilles, how do you propose I shrink 700MB maps down to 150MB?
May 14 20:10:43 <GeneralAntilles> By downloading fewer levels
May 14 20:10:49 <GeneralAntilles> or not downloading certain areas
May 14 20:10:52 <GeneralAntilles> This is maemo mapper
May 14 20:10:55 <GeneralAntilles> "Map" just plain sucks period.
May 14 20:11:06 <cjohnson> I haven't used any of them, I don't even have GPS
May 14 20:11:07 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: crap - so I probably have a hardware issue. Guess I should install OS2007 again to check - but too painful.
May 14 20:11:32 <KotCzarny> you can use maemo-mapper without gps
May 14 20:11:37 <KotCzarny> just like google earth
May 14 20:11:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:11:43 <KotCzarny> or google maps
May 14 20:12:06 <cjohnson> yeah but that sort of defeats the purpose, i could just as easily get a mapquest
May 14 20:12:10 <gpd> is there anything like maemomapper for desktop linux? ie. caches maps?
May 14 20:13:05 <KotCzarny> cjohnson: why? having n800 in my pocket instead of chunks of paper rulez
May 14 20:13:06 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:13:07 <unixSnob> cjohnson: maemo mapper is better than mapquest.  You have many maps to choose from
May 14 20:13:12 <RST38h> *yawn*
May 14 20:13:17 <RST38h> chunks of paper can't play music
May 14 20:14:04 <KotCzarny> depends on definition of music
May 14 20:14:05 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:14:29 <cjohnson> I dunno, maybe I'm not geeky enough, I just don't see a need to go out and get extra stuff for it when it really doesn't accomplish more than how I already do it: using mapquest
May 14 20:14:33 <Grackle> the musical kind
May 14 20:14:47 <cjohnson> I guess I may have to try and focus it down and try that
May 14 20:14:51 <GeneralAntilles> It accomplishes it a helluva lot faster.
May 14 20:14:53 <cjohnson> store only certain parts of maps
May 14 20:15:32 <cjohnson> Ctrl + Space -> m MY ADDRESS to: FINAL ADDRESS -> Ctrl + P
May 14 20:15:41 <cjohnson> Faster than using a stylus I'd say
May 14 20:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
May 14 20:15:48 <GeneralAntilles> Paper maps are the worst.
May 14 20:15:57 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper gives you a nice green line to follow.
May 14 20:15:59 <KotCzarny> well, assuming maoquest remains free
May 14 20:16:00 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:16:01 <Grackle> They're great when you're hiking.
May 14 20:16:08 <cjohnson> Again, I point to my above statement
May 14 20:16:13 <livinroom> soooo
May 14 20:16:13 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, load up a topo map in maemo mapper.
May 14 20:16:14 <Grackle> A nice detailed map and a compass. Very light, very dependable.
May 14 20:16:16 <KotCzarny> it's owned by aol
May 14 20:16:18 <RST38h> me can't get maemo mapper to show him green line
May 14 20:16:20 <KotCzarny> so anything can happen
May 14 20:16:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:16:27 <RST38h> how od you do it anyway?
May 14 20:16:31 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, just load a gpx as a track
May 14 20:16:37 <GeneralAntilles> or get it to download a route
May 14 20:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> s/track/route/
May 14 20:16:43 <RST38h> but where do I get gpx?
May 14 20:16:56 <GeneralAntilles> Either have Maemo Mapper download it for you
May 14 20:17:02 * RST38h approaches this as a normal stupid user
May 14 20:17:06 <RST38h> where from
May 14 20:17:08 <GeneralAntilles> or save a track and load that.
May 14 20:17:12 <GeneralAntilles> From within the application
May 14 20:17:14 <GeneralAntilles> read the help
May 14 20:17:17 <GeneralAntilles> it's very complete.
May 14 20:17:19 <RST38h> no, download where
May 14 20:17:30 * Jaffa wonders whether or not to give any serious thought to this diablo repo password question (since he missed out on all the fun last week).
May 14 20:17:32 <livinroom> guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800?
May 14 20:17:39 <RST38h> If I have postal addresses to sourcedest points, how do I get the track?
May 14 20:17:53 <RST38h> Jaffa: I would not
May 14 20:18:01 <GeneralAntilles> Enter your origin (GPS position, maybe) and destination.
May 14 20:18:06 <GeneralAntilles> It'll download the track
May 14 20:18:11 <GeneralAntilles> and even do simple voice nav.
May 14 20:18:16 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, probably not worth it.
May 14 20:18:23 <GeneralAntilles> Interesting, but still a little broken.
May 14 20:18:23 <RST38h> Will try tonight
May 14 20:18:26 <GeneralAntilles> Particularly in MicroB. :\
May 14 20:18:41 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, seriously, read the documentation (it's available online) it's very thorough and very readable.
May 14 20:19:14 <RST38h> GA: Actually, I browsed through it but the mapper hung on me when I tried following instructions =(
May 14 20:19:45 <Jaffa> RST38h/GeneralAntilles: that's what I was thinking
May 14 20:19:49 <RST38h> <reboot>
May 14 20:19:56 <Grackle> I should start dinner soon. Spaghetti and garlic bread, yum. I am starving.
May 14 20:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> My two posts cover it pretty thoroughly for 1.4, too, here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4958
May 14 20:20:28 * Grackle oggles /ck/
May 14 20:21:04 <fysa> Dash.net emulation is what's needed. ;)
May 14 20:21:51 <fysa> http://www.dash.net/
May 14 20:22:28 <Grackle> oo that looks delicious
May 14 20:22:48 * unixSnob likes the dash/zillow integration
May 14 20:23:17 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161
May 14 20:23:34 <fysa> has KML/Yahoo Local-type searches.  I have a nice Google Map of all the local restaurants I've been meaning to try..  would be perfect to have that around. ;)
May 14 20:24:06 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: heh, cool
May 14 20:24:22 <RST38h> <back>
May 14 20:24:55 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: voted
May 14 20:26:38 * Jaffa doesn't hold out much hope for any form of real enhancement request in Bugzilla (especially UI-related ones - most of "Nokia's IP" will be in the UI, of course, *cough*) given the continued status of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303
May 14 20:27:08 <GeneralAntilles> That bug makes me both cringe and laugh everytime I see it. . . .
May 14 20:28:20 <johnx> see, these are some of the reasons I started on this debian project...
May 14 20:28:28 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: we definitly have the same GPS -- did you really not modify anything significant? Do you use maemomapper 2.4.1? With GPS set to Bluetooth address not GPSD?
May 14 20:28:32 <Grackle> gah, Jaffa. That's awful. That should have ended at post 1
May 14 20:28:41 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, gpd
May 14 20:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> I did have connection issues with 2.1
May 14 20:28:53 <GeneralAntilles> but it's been rock solid since then.
May 14 20:29:14 <gpd> GeneralAntilles: and did you delete your config after 2.1 to 2.4?
May 14 20:29:31 <GeneralAntilles> I've been all over the place since then.
May 14 20:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> I'm assuming it's gone.
May 14 20:29:43 <GeneralAntilles> (Well, on my Diablo install it DEFINITELY is )
May 14 20:30:01 <hrw|gone> https://maemo.org/community/wiki/questionsfornokia
May 14 20:30:27 <livinroom> guys, i have the nokia LD-1W Bluetooth gps. is it linkable to the n800?
May 14 20:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, livinroom.
May 14 20:31:42 <gpd> hmm. just noticed NLS maps... curious
May 14 20:32:02 <GeneralAntilles> Any particularly plan to these, hrw|gone, or should I just add a new heading for myself and stick the questions I didn't get answers to from yesterday in there?
May 14 20:32:17 <cjohnson> How can I low level format my SD card from my n800? I don't have a computer with a card reader
May 14 20:32:35 <GeneralAntilles> Plug the N800 into your computer.
May 14 20:32:45 <unixSnob> cjohnson: I think you mean high level format it
May 14 20:33:17 <cjohnson> perhaps
May 14 20:33:25 <cjohnson> I want to wipe it completely
May 14 20:33:26 <unixSnob> I don't think folks have low leveled storage devices since the days of MFM drives
May 14 20:34:36 <unixSnob> cjohnson: the dd command will do that
May 14 20:34:50 <unixSnob> but I don't know if "dd" is included in maemo
May 14 20:34:56 <cjohnson> i think it is
May 14 20:35:06 <johnx> cjohnson, you just want to reformat it, right?
May 14 20:35:20 <unixSnob> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1
May 14 20:35:22 <cjohnson> johnx, yes
May 14 20:35:30 <hrw|gone> GeneralAntilles: I did not created that page - I just edited
May 14 20:35:33 <johnx> right, that's a "high level" format really
May 14 20:35:41 <unixSnob> replace sda1 with whatever your sdcard is
May 14 20:36:03 <johnx> so just plug it into a computer a format it
May 14 20:36:36 <lcuk> you can right click and format a card from the file manager on 810
May 14 20:37:02 <cjohnson> johnx: I plugged it in, and it shows me 2 different new drives. One says it needs to be formatted, and the other one seems to be waiting for me to insert a disk or something
May 14 20:37:25 <unixSnob> formatting won't "wipe" it
May 14 20:37:38 <cjohnson> I want to start fresh on it
May 14 20:37:42 <unixSnob> if cjohnson really needs to wipe it, he needs dd or the like
May 14 20:37:56 <KotCzarny> dd </dev/zero >/dev/mmcblock0
May 14 20:37:58 <KotCzarny> (or 1)
May 14 20:37:58 <unixSnob> cjohnson: removing evidence of an affair or something?
May 14 20:38:00 <cjohnson> I was trying to extend my maemo onto it, but that went wrong, so now i want to clone and dualboot
May 14 20:38:04 <KotCzarny> sure wipe
May 14 20:38:06 <gpd> is there any way to debug bluetooth connections to N800?
May 14 20:38:28 <cjohnson> it's going
May 14 20:38:31 <cjohnson> dd ftw :D
May 14 20:38:33 <livinroom> weee
May 14 20:38:37 <unixSnob> If you're not scrubbing incriminating data, then formatting is good enough
May 14 20:38:42 <livinroom> paired my BT-GPS. where do i get maps now, for the maemo mapper?
May 14 20:38:50 <cjohnson> i wouldn't put incriminating data on my n800 anyway
May 14 20:38:52 <KotCzarny> mind you it's wiping partition table too
May 14 20:38:55 <lcuk> <cjohnson> dd ftw :D    *CRRRREEEEEE*  [NOCARRIER]
May 14 20:39:01 <unixSnob> I believe the command to format it for use again is mkfs
May 14 20:39:17 <cjohnson> lcuk, worst case scenario i wipe out my n800, i'm on windows right now
May 14 20:39:31 <Navi> johnx, :(
May 14 20:39:38 <johnx> Navi, eh?
May 14 20:39:51 <Navi> Your power management comment
May 14 20:40:03 <johnx> ah, about wifi?
May 14 20:40:07 <Blafasel> This 303 bug is hilarious ;)
May 14 20:40:08 <Navi> yeah
May 14 20:40:10 <Navi> from an hour back
May 14 20:40:13 <johnx> yeah, that is unfortunate
May 14 20:40:18 <KotCzarny> cjohnson: you have umounted it first, right?
May 14 20:40:18 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 20:40:20 <Navi> I couldn't get it to work using iwconfig either
May 14 20:40:21 <GeneralAntilles> Blafasel, hilariously depressing.
May 14 20:40:25 <hrw> livinroom: maemo mapper can fetch them
May 14 20:40:26 <cjohnson> KotCzarny, yeah
May 14 20:40:28 <KotCzarny> also disabled virtual memory
May 14 20:40:29 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:40:30 * lcuk should be asleep now
May 14 20:40:32 <johnx> iwconfig power on does something at least
May 14 20:40:36 <cjohnson> aye
May 14 20:40:37 <KotCzarny> lcuk: night night
May 14 20:40:53 <lcuk> i cant though, i hate to wake back up just 4 hours into kip
May 14 20:40:53 <RST38h> All right, anyone wants to try iNES for Maemo?
May 14 20:41:12 <Blafasel> GeneralAntilles: Nahh.. Whistle a tone and murmur "Always look on the bright side.." ;)
May 14 20:41:14 <KotCzarny> lcuk: even 1-2h of sleep is better than none
May 14 20:41:17 <KotCzarny> trust me
May 14 20:41:17 <johnx> cx3110x doesn't set up any place in sys to control power though...wlancond must turn it on *somehow*
May 14 20:41:18 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:41:27 * lcuk never trusts the internet
May 14 20:41:29 <Navi> eh
May 14 20:41:42 <Blafasel> KotCzarny is the internet?
May 14 20:41:50 <lcuk> not all of it
May 14 20:42:02 <Navi> anyways, I'm going to set up the numpad on matchbox-keyboard now
May 14 20:42:07 <lcuk> but depending on how many pies he has eaten i could say a large proportion of it :D
May 14 20:42:13 * RST38h has beaten the internet. The end boss is tough.
May 14 20:42:25 <johnx> Navi, awesome
May 14 20:42:38 <livinroom> the end boss isnt tough
May 14 20:42:40 <KotCzarny> internet molestor!
May 14 20:42:42 <livinroom> you just use cheat codes
May 14 20:42:55 <livinroom> cheat codes which can be found... on the internet!
May 14 20:43:30 <Cptnodegard> the end boss is Ronald McGoogle
May 14 20:43:45 <lcuk> i once had a program that wiped out sections of a webpage (firefox addin) - my missus spent a few minutes deleting the whole of slashdot front page.  her face dropped when i said shes just deleted it from everyones computer
May 14 20:44:00 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:44:20 <cjohnson> Alt + F4 for infinite money hack
May 14 20:44:36 * Cptnodegard has quit irc
May 14 20:44:43 <KotCzarny> cjohnson: you are right on this one
May 14 20:44:47 <KotCzarny> because time is money
May 14 20:44:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 20:44:59 <RST38h> lcuk: why did you bring it back?
May 14 20:45:04 <lcuk> lol
May 14 20:46:26 <RST38h> All right, try http://fms.komkon.org/iNES/ines_3.6.0-1_armel.deb
May 14 20:50:50 <Navi> Well, that was easier than I thought it was going to be
May 14 20:52:22 <Blafasel> Okay, the internet is now officially boring. All 6 comic strips are read, thedailywtf is outdated and not even my rss reader or mail client has something new. I think I'll quit this career and restart as a veterinary somewhere..
May 14 20:52:53 <KotCzarny> blafasel: eatliver.com
May 14 20:53:02 <KotCzarny> and imagechan.net
May 14 20:53:15 <johnx> Blafasel, yeah, I've hit that "I've read the whole internet, what now?" thing before.
May 14 20:53:28 <johnx> my suggestion: Put debian on your N8x0 :)
May 14 20:53:40 * RST38h will go for the liver
May 14 20:53:45 <Blafasel> johnx: Bah! I knew that would be coming ;)
May 14 20:53:54 <Navi> johnx, lol :P
May 14 20:53:54 <johnx> :D
May 14 20:53:55 <Blafasel> johnx: I don't own a SD card yet, though
May 14 20:54:04 <Navi> ZOMG
May 14 20:54:09 <Navi> Someone that doesn't own an SD card?
May 14 20:54:21 <Navi> I don't believe it
May 14 20:54:21 <johnx> go buy one! right now! what are you waiting for?
May 14 20:54:29 <Blafasel> Uhm. I own several, but they are not in the right form factor or used otherwise ;)
May 14 20:54:31 <Navi> johnx, you're a horrible commercial.
May 14 20:54:37 <Blafasel> Like in the car radio, camera etc.
May 14 20:54:52 <johnx> aaah, take the one out of the camera
May 14 20:54:56 <johnx> you know you want to
May 14 20:55:02 <Navi> Can anyone paste teh UTF-8 left arrow in here?
May 14 20:55:02 <johnx> those pictures aren't that important
May 14 20:55:22 <Blafasel> johnx: But, but.. My gf is cute ;)
May 14 20:55:27 <livinroom> blasfel: be sure to read penny-arcade.com and explosm.net
May 14 20:55:29 <Navi> Blafasel, even better
May 14 20:55:38 <Navi> use the N800 as a picture viewer
May 14 20:55:41 <livinroom> s/blasfel/blafasel
May 14 20:55:45 <Blafasel> livinroom: Read all of the first once, don't know the latter though
May 14 20:55:53 <Navi> It's not like you're using the camera all the time
May 14 20:56:00 <Blafasel> Navi: Na, johnx wants me to format it and drop debian on it ;)
May 14 20:56:03 <Navi> You'll certainly be using the N8X0 all the time
May 14 20:56:08 <Navi> or else...
May 14 20:56:15 <Navi> Blafasel, back up the pictures :P
May 14 20:57:10 * Blafasel goes to read explosm.net
May 14 20:57:32 <Blafasel> Btw: Eatliver is very interesting
May 14 20:57:44 <Saviq> Grackle: boots fine from one big ext2 partition, but I found another use of the vfat partition...
May 14 20:57:47 <Saviq> virtual memort
May 14 20:57:50 <Saviq> -t+y
May 14 20:59:37 <hrw> bye
May 14 21:00:09 <Navi> can't figure out how to get the modifier key to stick
May 14 21:00:42 <johnx> hmm
May 14 21:01:00 <Navi> I went through the readme and there wasn't any info
May 14 21:01:21 <Navi> I can type in numbers from the numpad, but I have to hit the modifier each time
May 14 21:02:02 <lardman> seems to be related to the app
May 14 21:02:31 <lardman> sometimes I can click fn twice and it sticks, other times I can press it then a number, then again sometimes I have to hold it down
May 14 21:03:07 <Navi> Are you talking about matchbox-keyboard?
May 14 21:03:18 <johnx> lardman, ah, this is something a little different :)
May 14 21:03:40 <zap> Hello! Anybody remembers where I can enable keyboard backlighting? For some reason I can't get backlight on anymore...
May 14 21:04:52 <lardman> johnx: Sorry, my fault for coming in half way through
May 14 21:05:07 <Navi> Lol
May 14 21:05:50 <johnx> ah, no worries lardman :)
May 14 21:06:56 <RST38h> FamilyBASIC keyboard does not work.
May 14 21:14:10 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, I untarred debian as root but my mpd doesn't work. It had permission problems so I fixed them but sound playing doesn't work as it is missing a /dev/dsp* file somewhere. Any hints? (btw, i'm in maemo atm)
May 14 21:14:48 <johnx> hmm...when the card is mounted on your computer is it mounted with nodev,nosuid?
May 14 21:14:58 <johnx> did tar report any errors?
May 14 21:15:30 <qwerty12_N800> johnx, no idea about mount options, just plugged it in. no errors.
May 14 21:16:20 <Grackle> johnx, re: debian, what about base-config..  debootstrap didn't install a base-config.
May 14 21:16:59 <gpd> hmm... installed syslog and when the BT GPS is lost I get this message:
May 14 21:17:00 <gpd> Nokia-N800-50-2 btcond[1102]: Supervision timeout to 00:0B:0D:85:58:4F. Device out of rage?
May 14 21:17:00 <johnx> ah, the other half is that you need to chroot on your tablet itself and do some hacking
May 14 21:17:07 <gpd> I am almost out of RAGE!
May 14 21:17:43 <Grackle> haha rage
May 14 21:17:49 <qwerty12_N800> brb, rebooting
May 14 21:17:56 <johnx> Grackle, I largely followed the "Creating an EABI chroot..." here: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto
May 14 21:18:34 <johnx> so basically plug the card into the tablet and : chroot /media/mmc1 /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
May 14 21:18:43 <Navi> heh
May 14 21:18:51 <Grackle> yeah johnx, I've done that
May 14 21:19:05 <Navi> johnx, doneish
May 14 21:19:21 <Navi> There are probably symbols and letters that you want on it
May 14 21:20:17 <johnx> Grackle, I think I just ran aptitude after that and let it fix whatever it saw fit
May 14 21:20:31 <johnx> Navi, that sounds great! would you send it to me?
May 14 21:20:37 <Navi> sec
May 14 21:20:45 <Navi> scrot doesn't want to work :/
May 14 21:21:05 <Grackle> johnx: the problem right now is that it has not configured apt yet
May 14 21:21:40 <johnx> Navi, xwd -root -out file.xwd
May 14 21:21:47 <johnx> then convert it on another machine
May 14 21:21:51 <Navi> meh
May 14 21:21:52 <johnx> Grackle, that's odd
May 14 21:21:57 <Grackle> yeah.
May 14 21:21:59 <Navi> I got scrot to work :P
May 14 21:22:45 <Navi> http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/
May 14 21:23:49 * Grackle heads back downstairs
May 14 21:24:05 <johnx> Navi, that is pretty fantastically awesome
May 14 21:24:13 <Navi> Lol >_>
May 14 21:24:41 <Navi> as you can see, there is still plenty of space for more symbols
May 14 21:24:59 <lardman> woo hoo, I have a blue galaxy displayed
May 14 21:25:12 <lardman> should be red, but nearly there
May 14 21:25:19 <Navi> it's pretty easy to do it too
May 14 21:25:42 <Navi> I made tab double as esc with the mod
May 14 21:26:14 <Navi> don't know if that was good/bad
May 14 21:27:26 <johnx> ahaha...I forgot that I left my hostname set on Debian
May 14 21:27:32 <johnx> I just noticed that in your screenshot
May 14 21:27:54 <Grackle> haha yeah
May 14 21:28:17 <johnx> also, to any Debian users: set your mac address
May 14 21:28:38 <johnx> otherwise it will not be fun when you find another debian/n800 user at the same AP as you :)
May 14 21:28:46 <Grackle> >.>
May 14 21:28:56 <Grackle> It does not use the device's mac address?
May 14 21:29:01 <johnx> nope
May 14 21:29:08 <Grackle> it *has* to be set? weird.
May 14 21:29:16 <johnx> wlancond pulls it out of the "hidden" mtd partition and sets it by hand
May 14 21:29:36 <Grackle> "hidden" mtd partition?
May 14 21:29:50 <johnx> yeah...0xffff can read it
May 14 21:29:58 <Navi> I don't expect to see any other N800s
May 14 21:30:01 <KotCzarny>  /dev/mtdblock2 afair
May 14 21:30:09 <Grackle> oh hm
May 14 21:30:13 <johnx> ah, neat
May 14 21:30:51 <KotCzarny> johnx: then use 0xFFFF ?
May 14 21:30:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 21:31:16 <johnx> right...or just set your own MAC address
May 14 21:31:43 <KotCzarny> like i remember it :)
May 14 21:31:47 <Navi> Or spoof it and pretend to be your next door neighbor's registered mac so you can download from torrents without getting caught
May 14 21:31:57 <Navi> by the campus police
May 14 21:32:11 <johnx> or leave it and hope that someone reads their logs every once in a while to see the joke :)
May 14 21:32:21 <Navi> Lol
May 14 21:32:53 <johnx> 00:02:ee:c0:ff:ee
May 14 21:32:54 <Saviq> capital first letter, a sign that's someone's writing from his/her internet tablet ;)
May 14 21:33:59 <johnx> Navi, I might pair your keyboard layout down to fewer buttons that have just the letters and basic punctuation
May 14 21:34:18 <Navi> hm?
May 14 21:34:34 <Navi> Oh, right
May 14 21:34:43 <Navi> make it more like the hildon keyboard?
May 14 21:34:49 <johnx> right, so the keys get bigger :)
May 14 21:34:58 <Navi> that's fine with me
May 14 21:35:02 <Navi> I like it this way
May 14 21:35:04 <johnx> I should also figure out how to fix my screen calibration O_o
May 14 21:35:14 <lardman> cool, yv12->rgb565 (Y->blue) is working
May 14 21:35:36 <johnx> lardman, cool
May 14 21:35:38 <lcuk> the quick?
May 14 21:35:39 <Navi> My slender fingers can already thumb this keyboard
May 14 21:35:45 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 21:35:54 <lcuk> omg when i wanted to misspell i cock that up
May 14 21:36:05 <Navi> lol
May 14 21:36:51 <lcuk> lard, this will help xv immensely :)
May 14 21:37:19 <Navi> bleh
May 14 21:37:22 <Navi> hate it when I run out of ram
May 14 21:37:32 <lardman> lcuk: don't get too excited, still need to get yv12->yuv420 working
May 14 21:37:35 <johnx> Navi, how much swap?
May 14 21:38:03 <Navi> 128
May 14 21:38:10 <johnx> O_o
May 14 21:38:22 <Navi> I used the same swap file I do with maemo out of sheer laziness
May 14 21:38:22 <johnx> memory leak in the browser?
May 14 21:38:24 <lcuk> technically simpler or a sideways shift?  one is bit manipulations the other is bytes
May 14 21:38:33 <Navi> Maybe
May 14 21:38:41 <Navi> I closed it and I got a lot of ram back
May 14 21:39:49 <lardman> lcuk: yuv420 is a packed format, and the endianness is wierd
May 14 21:40:04 <lardman> lcuk: so some experimentation
May 14 21:40:21 <lcuk> ive seen 420
May 14 21:40:34 * lcuk shudders
May 14 21:41:08 <zap> damnit, the "powerlaunch" application disables keyboard backlighting
May 14 21:41:22 <lcuk> does it?
May 14 21:41:24 <lcuk> :D w00t
May 14 21:41:47 * lardman has a green Jupiter now
May 14 21:42:38 <zap> lardman: are you trying to speed up video playing?
May 14 21:42:57 <Navi> ouch
May 14 21:43:01 <Navi> openbox starts up dog slow
May 14 21:43:09 <johnx> try blackbox
May 14 21:43:14 <lardman> zap: That is the end goal
May 14 21:43:21 <johnx> the *original* box :)
May 14 21:43:25 <Navi> :P
May 14 21:43:34 <Navi> blackbox is old and unmaintained
May 14 21:43:37 <zap> cool. Are you going to write DSP decoders for mpeg4/whatever?
May 14 21:43:38 <Navi> flux is the new  black
May 14 21:43:42 <johnx> and fast
May 14 21:43:47 <johnx> and small
May 14 21:43:55 <johnx> I like window maker anyways
May 14 21:44:01 <Navi> oh, it wasn't starting up slow
May 14 21:44:06 <zap> lardman: if I'm not wrong, mplayer already uses the hw YUV scaler/converter
May 14 21:44:09 <lardman> zap: probably not; the idea is to write a converter for yv12->yuv420
May 14 21:44:13 <johnx> but the amount of "double-click" to launch in wm is unfortunate
May 14 21:44:24 <Navi> I hate openbox, it deceives me with it's blackness
May 14 21:44:27 <lardman> zap: the idea was to take that conversion/scaling overhead off of mplayer
May 14 21:44:37 <lcuk> scaling?
May 14 21:44:39 <Navi> weird
May 14 21:44:43 <Navi> I can't see the cursor
May 14 21:44:45 <zap> lardman: [omapfb] ARM JIT scaler (quality=2): 704x528 YV12 => 640x480 YUV420
May 14 21:44:46 <lcuk> 770 only?
May 14 21:44:50 <Navi> ZOMG ITS MAEMO AGAIN
May 14 21:44:55 <zap> isn't this about what you are doing?
May 14 21:45:07 <lardman> lcuk: The original idea was for it to be for the 770
May 14 21:45:13 <lardman> zap: yes
May 14 21:45:30 <lardman> zap: but this is on the DSP
May 14 21:45:32 <lcuk> true, but will have use here as well
May 14 21:45:43 <johnx> Navi, eh?
May 14 21:45:46 <lcuk> the conversion especially
May 14 21:46:01 <Navi> johnx, I have no idea what happened :P
May 14 21:46:17 <johnx> aaah...I have a thought
May 14 21:46:18 <zap> lardman: you're doing it for 770?
May 14 21:46:25 <johnx> xomap might set the cursor transparent by default
May 14 21:46:29 <pupnik> it would be a huge coup if you could speed up mplayer
May 14 21:46:30 <Navi> >_>
May 14 21:46:35 <johnx> xfce probably asserted its "cursor theme"
May 14 21:46:42 <Navi> eh
May 14 21:46:46 <Navi> Oh yeah
May 14 21:46:48 <johnx> type xsetroot and see if you get a nice chunky x
May 14 21:46:51 <Navi> nah
May 14 21:46:54 <Navi> I can't open a term
May 14 21:46:59 <johnx> :/
May 14 21:47:03 <lardman> zap: atm am testing on n800, but will be for 770 in the end
May 14 21:47:05 <Navi> It keeps disappearing
May 14 21:47:20 <zap> lardman: sorry if I'm asking too much, but I'm interested in DSP stuff too :)
May 14 21:47:20 <lardman> pupnik: it was ssvb's suggestion
May 14 21:47:38 <lardman> zap: np, ask away. I'm always happy when people are interested :)
May 14 21:48:00 <lcuk> lardman, i see very practical benefits from this code :)  you will see my xv rendering next week
May 14 21:48:12 <zap> lardman: so you're going to do YV12 -> YUV420 conversion in DSP rather than in videocard? What for?
May 14 21:48:25 <lcuk> zap, not video card
May 14 21:48:28 <lardman> lcuk: cool
May 14 21:48:34 <pupnik> what video card ? ;)
May 14 21:48:43 <zap> omap
May 14 21:48:50 <zap> the built-in SOC
May 14 21:48:55 <lardman> zap: The plan is that mplayer decodes to a shared memory region, then the DSP can handle the scaling and conversion and output
May 14 21:48:56 <lcuk> the LCD supports yuv420, but a more common format yv12 is easier to handle (its contigious planes)
May 14 21:49:14 <lardman> lcuk: lcd controller memory bandwidth problem...
May 14 21:49:20 <lcuk> so a converter will take a job away from the CPU and give back some cycles
May 14 21:49:28 <zap> aha
May 14 21:49:38 <lardman> lcuk: yes
May 14 21:49:38 <lcuk> the conversion is already done within xv
May 14 21:49:55 <zap> well even now the xv scaling is awesome (compared to other 400MHz PDAs I have seen)
May 14 21:49:55 <lardman> lcuk: are you working on XvMC? That might be interesting to get the DSP involved with
May 14 21:50:05 <lcuk> replace that CPU conversion with lardmans code and bammo :) instant speedup hopefully
May 14 21:50:12 <Navi> johnx, also, I can't find how to set up plaintext for my wifi on teh debz :P
May 14 21:50:22 <lcuk> xv does NO scaling
May 14 21:50:29 <zap> really?
May 14 21:50:29 <Navi> I've been using iwconfig wlan0 essid foo
May 14 21:50:38 <KotCzarny> lcuk: if there could be a way to include it in xserver..mmmm
May 14 21:50:40 <lardman> lcuk: depends on whether the DSP can handle the framebuffer update fast enough; I'm not sure really, I saw some errors when trying to run fast
May 14 21:50:41 <lcuk> the LCD takes a bitmap of arbitary size and scales to arbitary boundary - it is essentially a tv circuit
May 14 21:50:45 <johnx> Navi, it shouldn't be hard
May 14 21:50:50 <KotCzarny> then it could report format as supported
May 14 21:50:52 <Navi> orly
May 14 21:50:54 <zap> lcuk: so it does scaling
May 14 21:50:59 <lcuk> yes
May 14 21:51:08 <zap> via xv?
May 14 21:51:10 <lardman> the lcd controller does the scaling though
May 14 21:51:14 <Navi> johnx, I couldn't find anything about it.  I know how to use wpa-psk with it :P
May 14 21:51:33 <Navi> that's all that turned up
May 14 21:51:40 <johnx> Navi, /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
May 14 21:51:43 <lcuk> zap, if i ask xv for a 400*240 bitmap, that is sent as original data over the pipe unscaled, but will display at fullscreen
May 14 21:51:48 <Navi> I skimmed that
May 14 21:52:07 <zap> lcuk: true, so that's basically an upscale, no matter how it is done
May 14 21:52:12 <Navi> johnx, is it startxfce or startxfce4?
May 14 21:52:20 <Navi> johnx, or none of the above?
May 14 21:52:22 <johnx> xfce4-session I believe
May 14 21:52:25 <Navi> bleh
May 14 21:52:28 <johnx> cat ~/.xsession
May 14 21:52:33 <Navi> nah
May 14 21:52:34 <Navi> I modified it
May 14 21:52:35 <lcuk> lardman, the scaler just needs to work at == to the CPU for that one job (the conversion)  the cpu could then snooze and we wouldnt care
May 14 21:52:37 <johnx> startxfce4 tries to start an x server too
May 14 21:52:47 <NullM0dem> yeah its confusing
May 14 21:52:52 <lcuk> convertor^
May 14 21:52:59 <Navi> I'm used to the slack way of doing things
May 14 21:53:12 <NullM0dem> xcfce4-session
May 14 21:53:16 <NullM0dem> me too
May 14 21:53:26 <NullM0dem> xfce4-session
May 14 21:53:35 <zap> In fact, I benchmarked mplayer today on a large video (720x576) and it looks like the decoder is the narrow place, not YUV conversion/scaling
May 14 21:53:44 <johnx> Navi, well as far as window managers go this is the hacked-up way of doing things
May 14 21:53:45 <lardman> unfortunately, although I can output frames at ~1fps, if I change the delay to 10fps, the DSP crashes
May 14 21:53:53 <zap> something like 90% for MPEG4 decoder
May 14 21:53:56 <Navi> johnx, I know :P
May 14 21:53:56 <lcuk> lardman, no not xvmc, just the xv extensions of x, its the same thing mplayer uses
May 14 21:54:13 <lardman> lcuk: ok, I just thought xvmc looked interesting
May 14 21:54:19 <Navi> le sigh
May 14 21:54:25 <Navi> Have to go through fsck again
May 14 21:54:27 <lcuk> i just googled it and it does
May 14 21:54:29 <n800n> can i record video with the n800 camera?
May 14 21:54:44 <johnx> n800n, yes, look up "videocamera"
May 14 21:54:46 <zap> yep, but a few fps
May 14 21:55:08 <n800n> look up on maemo.com? or garage?
May 14 21:55:14 <KotCzarny> 16fps at 352@288
May 14 21:55:19 <lcuk> lardman, glad i made you chuckle last night - it was pretty good timing of me
May 14 21:55:20 <zap> try google :)
May 14 21:55:23 <n800n> well still something
May 14 21:55:41 <n800n> classic UFO video fps
May 14 21:55:44 <NullM0dem> not bad, thats like those old charley chaplin flicks
May 14 21:55:44 <n800n> :P
May 14 21:55:53 <lardman> lcuk: I was chuckling at X-Fade_'s comment about not moderating, this time...
May 14 21:56:16 <Navi> crraaapppp
May 14 21:56:17 <lcuk> damn, cos i almost fell off chair when it started
May 14 21:56:25 <johnx> n800n, use google: maemo videocamera
May 14 21:56:34 <johnx> Navi, everything crashes in X?
May 14 21:56:46 <n800n> got it ty
May 14 21:56:54 <Navi> johnx, not sure
May 14 21:57:06 <johnx> I had that problem too
May 14 21:57:09 <Navi> It's still at the black screen
May 14 21:57:10 <GeneralAntilles> No S60 guys next time around. :\
May 14 21:57:11 <Navi> there it goes
May 14 21:57:11 <johnx> I restarted the x server and all was well
May 14 21:57:16 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, lol
May 14 21:57:19 <johnx> ah, nm then :)
May 14 21:57:33 <Navi> bleh, swapon time
May 14 21:57:56 * lardman wonders what's going on with the DSP endianness
May 14 21:58:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's armer
May 14 21:58:19 <GeneralAntilles> endian random
May 14 21:58:25 <lardman> yeah
May 14 21:58:42 <lardman> which was is RGB arranged? Is R at the big or little end?
May 14 21:58:49 <GeneralAntilles> or armwtfiflb
May 14 21:59:02 <GeneralAntilles> Whatever the Fuck I Feel Like Bitch
May 14 21:59:08 <Grackle> The kernel is flashed to the tablet, correct? Kernel can't be stored on a disk?
May 14 21:59:29 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I fear you may be right
May 14 21:59:44 <johnx> Grackle, kernel lives in a mtd partition
May 14 22:00:11 <Grackle> johnx: Ah. So your debian tarball just uses the installed kernel?
May 14 22:00:16 <johnx> yup
May 14 22:00:22 <Navi> eeewww
May 14 22:00:23 <Grackle> How did you get the console working?
May 14 22:00:56 <johnx> Grackle, fanoush provided a program+modules to switch the console framebuffer on
May 14 22:01:04 <johnx> look in /etc/init.d/tablet-utils
May 14 22:01:23 <Grackle> Oh, I recall you talking about tablet-utils
May 14 22:01:33 <Grackle> Is there a web page associated with that?
May 14 22:01:44 <johnx> not really
May 14 22:01:45 <lcuk> lardman, trial and error, theres only a few combinations :P
May 14 22:02:01 <lardman> lcuk: yep, am starting that now :)
May 14 22:02:01 <johnx> but there is some documentation under /usr/share/doc/tablet-utils
May 14 22:02:08 <Grackle> oh, good
May 14 22:02:13 <Grackle> I'll take a look.
May 14 22:02:29 <johnx> though the version I "ship" is modified
May 14 22:02:46 <johnx> I'm trying to keep most of the tablet-centric hackiness to that script
May 14 22:05:16 <lardman> oo, strange, I've managed to keep the entire desktop scaled after killing my dsp code
May 14 22:05:56 <livinroom> YAYYY
May 14 22:06:00 <livinroom> i got stable iphone tethering working
May 14 22:06:04 <lcuk> sounds familiar, since you are talking directly to the framebuffer, its possible to leave it in wrong state
May 14 22:06:33 <livinroom> it required alot of equipment but it's doable
May 14 22:06:36 <livinroom> go me
May 14 22:06:39 <livinroom> i'm so awesome
May 14 22:06:40 <livinroom> go me
May 14 22:06:45 <n800n> pretty crappy video :/
May 14 22:06:46 <lcuk> ive got a small function which leaves the framebuffer in a magnifieresq view
May 14 22:06:53 <lcuk> its quite cool
May 14 22:06:54 <Blafasel> Uhm. iphone, huh? Naaaah..
May 14 22:07:03 <lardman> lcuk: I've reverted to not using any of the scaling functions now
May 14 22:07:06 <n800n> can i make the internet video call app not pop up when i open the camera?
May 14 22:07:12 <livinroom> yes, go to the settings of the app
May 14 22:07:16 <livinroom> it will give you a checkbox on auto-launch
May 14 22:07:22 <n800n> ty
May 14 22:07:49 <n800n> sweet
May 14 22:08:31 <lcuk> lard, its best when you crash your device and hold power but your program continues to write to the screen whilst "charging" is showing ;)
May 14 22:09:35 <KotCzarny> good idea for a virus/scare app
May 14 22:09:36 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:09:36 <lardman> lcuk: :) that would look very odd
May 14 22:10:29 <pupnik> i need 60 fps for my subliminal message programming
May 14 22:10:36 <livinroom> roffles
May 14 22:10:47 <livinroom> WOOOT wooot wooooooooooooot
May 14 22:10:49 <lcuk> pupnik at lower resolutions you can have over 100
May 14 22:10:50 <livinroom> i am SO happy right now
May 14 22:11:30 <pupnik> nice lcuk.  did you figure out how?
May 14 22:11:42 <livinroom> i've exceeded design specification limits for happiness.
May 14 22:12:00 <pupnik> good job livinroom
May 14 22:12:18 <livinroom> i'm Dangerously happy
May 14 22:12:18 <lcuk> cos my program shows framecounter in some screens
May 14 22:12:35 <lcuk> and at 400*240 it goes at 100fps
May 14 22:12:48 <pupnik> and how do you know the lcd controller is refreshing at that rate?
May 14 22:12:54 <pupnik> and not discarding updates?
May 14 22:12:55 <lcuk> at 800*240 it goes at about 52fps
May 14 22:13:12 <lcuk> cos you can see - ill show you
May 14 22:13:16 <lcuk> next week
May 14 22:13:27 <pupnik> ok awesome - respect
May 14 22:13:35 <pupnik> just askin
May 14 22:13:49 * GeneralAntilles rants at lcuk about release early, release often again. :P ;)
May 14 22:14:55 <lcuk> release what though? ive just been learning
May 14 22:14:59 <lcuk> there isnt a package here yet
May 14 22:16:24 <lcuk> by the way, the default editor on 810, how do i bring it up from console?
May 14 22:16:54 <lcuk> ive got files i want to edit which are outside the boundary that file manager can see
May 14 22:17:04 <NullM0dem> you mena whats the executable name?
May 14 22:17:11 <lcuk> yer
May 14 22:17:27 <NullM0dem> it would have to accept filenames as a CLI option as well
May 14 22:17:52 <lcuk> well if i knew the name i could test it, any ideas?
May 14 22:18:04 <NullM0dem> its called osso_notes
May 14 22:18:12 <NullM0dem> not sure of the pathname
May 14 22:18:44 <KotCzarny> lcuk: ln -s dir you want to /home/user/MyDocs/
May 14 22:19:02 <lcuk> whats ln?
May 14 22:19:12 <KotCzarny> (sym)link util
May 14 22:19:17 <lcuk> ahhh coool
May 14 22:19:25 <NullM0dem> ah that works
May 14 22:19:33 <KotCzarny> you will love symlinks
May 14 22:19:38 <NullM0dem> theres vim too from terminal
May 14 22:19:43 <NullM0dem> or vi rather
May 14 22:19:48 <lcuk> so   ln -s /usr/bin/liq/ /hone/user/MyDocs/_liq_bin
May 14 22:20:07 <lcuk> with a m
May 14 22:20:19 <KotCzarny> try
May 14 22:20:23 <KotCzarny> could work
May 14 22:20:29 <KotCzarny> assuming dirs are right
May 14 22:20:35 <lcuk> well ive heard bad things about recursive links and cpu consumption
May 14 22:20:37 <lardman> hmm, making progress, I have a nearly complete Jupiter (my video) with only a few green blocks around the place
May 14 22:20:57 <KotCzarny> as long you don't symlink from _liq_bin you don't have tto worry
May 14 22:21:01 <lcuk> cool
May 14 22:21:03 <johnx> lardman, that is really freakin' cool :D
May 14 22:22:11 <KotCzarny> lardman: btw. how one accesses your code? via gst or directly?
May 14 22:22:38 <lcuk> lard :) i know the feeling, i have evolved this whole text rendering and seen fonts come out of the dark from grey rectangles to random stripes and through to proper glyphs.
May 14 22:22:43 <lardman> via a command line binary atm, but something like this could be build into a gst sink
May 14 22:23:24 <lardman> lcuk: just frustrating seeing a nearly complete picture with some random splodges on it! :)
May 14 22:23:31 <lcuk> NullM0dem, osso_notes is right, but doesnt accept params, im trying the symlink thing
May 14 22:23:53 * lcuk is often caught by random off by one bugs
May 14 22:24:34 <lcuk> does _liq_bin have to exist already as a normal folder? or will it appear as one
May 14 22:25:24 <KotCzarny> nope
May 14 22:25:27 <KotCzarny> it will appear
May 14 22:25:29 <KotCzarny> as one
May 14 22:25:50 <KotCzarny> think of it as windows shortcuts
May 14 22:25:51 <KotCzarny> but better
May 14 22:25:52 <lcuk> wickedly brutal, pygtkeditor opens with command line :)
May 14 22:26:01 <lcuk> and its highlighting correctly
May 14 22:26:07 <johnx> a symlink (symbolic link aka soft link) is what a Windows shortcut would be if they did it right
May 14 22:26:11 <KotCzarny> because every app can use symlinks
May 14 22:26:27 <johnx> KotCzarny, beat me to it :P
May 14 22:26:39 <KotCzarny> johnx: don't worry
May 14 22:26:40 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:27:06 <lcuk> damn, terminal is single instance on device
May 14 22:27:40 <KotCzarny> lcuk: get aterm
May 14 22:27:41 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:28:09 <NullM0dem> aterm no way
May 14 22:28:15 <KotCzarny> and kciconsbox
May 14 22:28:16 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 22:28:25 <johnx> or screen
May 14 22:28:50 <Blafasel> johnx: Well, that's an evil comparison. What we're talking about here (linking directories) is possible with NTFS for quite some time
May 14 22:29:03 <Blafasel> symlinks to files though - suck. Big time.
May 14 22:29:12 <johnx> on unix you mean?
May 14 22:29:13 <Blafasel> (in Windows. As .lnk files)
May 14 22:29:29 <KotCzarny> blafasel: ext2 is a lot older
May 14 22:29:40 <KotCzarny> and they did it right from the start
May 14 22:29:52 <KotCzarny> windowish links are braindamaged
May 14 22:29:53 <johnx> KotCzarny, ln -s is older than ext2 I think :)
May 14 22:30:03 <KotCzarny> johnx: probably :)
May 14 22:30:29 <Blafasel> johnx: Hm? C:\Somedir can link (think symlink) to either <anydevice> or C:\Some\Other\Dir
May 14 22:30:53 <KotCzarny> blafasel: ever tried to cd into it?
May 14 22:30:55 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:31:00 <Blafasel> KotCzarny: That's irrelevant ;) I just wanted to point out that links between folders are not to be compared with .lnk/shortcuts.
May 14 22:31:03 <lcuk> wow :) thx, ive added 2
May 14 22:31:04 <johnx> Blafasel, I understand, I was asking what you meant by "symlinks to files suck"
May 14 22:31:05 <KotCzarny> no it's not
May 14 22:31:08 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:31:09 <Blafasel> KotCzarny: Yep, works for me
May 14 22:31:21 <KotCzarny> but it's puny
May 14 22:31:31 <Blafasel> johnx: On Windows only - since .lnk obviously is no replacement
May 14 22:31:49 <lardman> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0050.JPG is what I see
May 14 22:31:59 <Blafasel> KotCzarny: Naa.. It's great for me here, linking C:\Programme (german) to C:\Program Files - for all that broken setups
May 14 22:32:01 <lcuk> permissions
May 14 22:32:17 <johnx> lardman, you see permission denied?
May 14 22:32:20 <Blafasel> You don't have permission to access /enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/PICT0050.JPG on this server.
May 14 22:32:35 <lcuk> lol @ nokia porn
May 14 22:32:36 <lardman> nah, I can see it, hang on let me do some tweaking
May 14 22:32:51 <Saviq> damn booting from the sd card makes accessing it through usb cable impossible :/ or am I missing something?
May 14 22:33:07 <lcuk> plugged in both ends?
May 14 22:33:12 <livinroom> lol
May 14 22:33:15 <Blafasel> ;-)
May 14 22:33:18 <lardman> try that now
May 14 22:33:23 <Saviq> well yes, the devices show up
May 14 22:33:28 <Blafasel> lardman: Still
May 14 22:33:35 <lardman> hmm, just broken it for me now :)
May 14 22:33:38 <KotCzarny> saviq: yup, you can't use the same card in 2 places
May 14 22:33:57 <KotCzarny> just use sshfs
May 14 22:34:06 <lcuk> mark as identified: you reproduced the bug
May 14 22:34:17 <lardman> and now
May 14 22:34:25 <lcuk> fixed
May 14 22:34:27 <Blafasel> Works
May 14 22:34:28 <lardman> cool
May 14 22:34:54 <Blafasel> Interesting - both the stuff in general and the artifacts ;)
May 14 22:34:56 <KotCzarny> interesting
May 14 22:35:02 <KotCzarny> looks like b0rkage in uv plane
May 14 22:35:03 <KotCzarny> :>
May 14 22:35:04 <lcuk> lardman - did your jpeg/mpeg decode run out of buffer memory?
May 14 22:35:26 <lcuk> that looks more like a data clipping problem rather than actual normal rendering issue
May 14 22:35:30 <KotCzarny> and at the end of y
May 14 22:35:31 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:35:33 <lardman> should look like this http://hubblesource.stsci.edu/sources/video/clips/details/images/comet_jupiter_1.mpg
May 14 22:35:38 <Saviq> KotCzarny: yeah that's what I'm using atm, but I wanted it to integrate nicely with my music player :/
May 14 22:35:57 <Blafasel> So - who's attending LinuxTag here?
May 14 22:36:23 <lardman> lcuk: The decode was fine as I can view the Y plane as RGB565 with no artifacts
May 14 22:36:33 <lardman> Blafasel: I am
May 14 22:36:38 <Navi> mmm
May 14 22:36:39 <lcuk> same here
May 14 22:36:39 <Saviq> I wonder if the fat partition is accessible... I could live with keeping my media on the vfat partition
May 14 22:37:10 <Navi> johnx, >_>
May 14 22:37:13 <Blafasel> I never attended one of the oss conferences, but since it's around the corner and I might meet some new faces.. Still thinking about it.
May 14 22:37:19 <Navi> I can only see two items in synaptic :/
May 14 22:37:26 <lcuk> those look more like the tiles the codec used to represent a certain color
May 14 22:37:37 <johnx> Navi, hmm
May 14 22:37:56 <Navi> won't let me resize it
May 14 22:38:00 <Navi> ohwells
May 14 22:38:01 <lcuk> if your algo is clipping incorrectly (off by one bit) what is meant to be 0 could be 128
May 14 22:38:34 <lardman> lcuk: shouldn't be any clipping, just byte reordering
May 14 22:38:34 <Navi> johnx, how do change the key that launches matchbox keyboard
May 14 22:39:06 <lardman> lcuk: Though I should check that there are no artifacts in the U and V planes before I go off on a wild goose chase
May 14 22:39:25 <johnx> Navi, err...good questions
May 14 22:39:44 <Navi> :P
May 14 22:40:45 <Navi> hmm
May 14 22:40:51 <KotCzarny> lardman: i think b0rkage starts at the end of Y plane
May 14 22:41:02 <Navi> I think I'll turn on the xfce compositor
May 14 22:41:09 <lardman> KotCzarny: miscount?
May 14 22:41:16 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 14 22:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> lol, Navi.
May 14 22:41:19 <Navi> and set the transparency to matchbox keyboard to 50 :D
May 14 22:41:32 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, I already did it before :P
May 14 22:41:33 <lardman> strange that a lot of the image is intact
May 14 22:41:34 <KotCzarny> maybe you try putting uv at the end of y
May 14 22:41:44 <KotCzarny> and getting uv misaligned because of that
May 14 22:41:45 <Navi> GeneralAntilles, turned on transparencies + shadows
May 14 22:42:10 <lardman> KotCzarny: UV are at the end of Y, but still strange that most of the image is intact
May 14 22:42:11 <KotCzarny> put a 10px wide line at the beginning of Y to see if you start correctly
May 14 22:42:54 <lardman> KotCzarny: I can output the Y plane after converting it to a single RGB colour then using RGB565 and it doesn't move about
May 14 22:43:03 <lardman> so I think it's correctly aligned
May 14 22:44:00 <KotCzarny> explain that mangled 2 lines at the bottom of Y then
May 14 22:44:01 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:44:16 <lardman> yeah
May 14 22:45:02 <KotCzarny> another thought
May 14 22:45:13 <KotCzarny> y is 2x wide than uv
May 14 22:45:13 <lardman> yep?
May 14 22:45:17 <lardman> yes
May 14 22:45:23 <KotCzarny> ie. should be
May 14 22:46:29 <lardman> yes, or rather U and V should be 1/2 as wide and tall as Y
May 14 22:47:14 <lardman> not sure about the mangled 2 pixel high line, when output as RGB565 it's all black at the bottom
May 14 22:47:47 <KotCzarny> just make an experiment and try to put white pixel at 0x0
May 14 22:48:15 <n800n_> don't do it
May 14 22:48:25 <n800n_> screen will blow up
May 14 22:48:31 <lardman> not sure just how easy that will be to do
May 14 22:48:48 <lardman> you mean write the white pixel to the YUV data and see what happens to it?
May 14 22:48:59 <lardman> after it's converted
May 14 22:49:00 <KotCzarny> lardman: gimp and prepare an jpg
May 14 22:49:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:49:11 <KotCzarny> or modify decoded data
May 14 22:50:16 <Navi> johnx, no transset in the repos :(
May 14 22:50:25 <lardman> KotCzarny: not right now, bed time; but what would you expect to see? I'll have a go tomorrow
May 14 22:50:34 <Navi> Oh yeah, you set your repos to the japanese repos by default and I've been too lazy to change them :D
May 14 22:50:53 <KotCzarny> lardman, simple pixel is easier to analyze than random image
May 14 22:50:54 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:51:22 <lardman> KotCzarny: yep; I thought I might generate some YUV data with fixed values for each plane, then send that in and see what I get out
May 14 22:51:40 <lardman> I can save a copy of the framebuffer and pass it back to the ARM so I can hexedit it
May 14 22:53:12 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 22:56:24 <lardman> bed time, will report back progress tomorrow
May 14 22:56:28 <lardman> cheers for the help chaps
May 14 22:56:29 <KotCzarny> night :)
May 14 22:57:17 <Blafasel> livinroom: http://explosm.net/comics/345/ wins so far ;)
May 14 22:57:23 <Blafasel> Thanks again for the suggestion
May 14 23:11:06 <dieman> gar
May 14 23:11:10 <dieman> left my n810 case on the bus
May 14 23:11:12 <dieman> the cheap slipcase
May 14 23:11:17 <dieman> any tips on finding a replacement
May 14 23:12:37 <lcuk> dieman :'( i feel your loss, my missus had hold of my 810 for 1 day and she lost it
May 14 23:12:46 <KotCzarny> just make one yourself
May 14 23:12:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 23:13:48 <Navi> johnx, Terminal > roxterm :P
May 14 23:14:22 <dieman> heh
May 14 23:14:28 <dieman> lcuk: any luck finding anything good?
May 14 23:14:33 <jdiaz> I lost the two stylus in less than one month
May 14 23:14:46 <Navi> dieman, HAHAHA YOU'RE FUNNY
May 14 23:14:50 <dieman> i think i might just stop by target and hope theres something close to fitting.
May 14 23:14:59 <dieman> heh, that bad
May 14 23:15:04 <Navi> YOU SAY LUCK AND LCUK IS LUCK MISSPELED
May 14 23:15:06 <dieman> wish i could just go to nokia and you know, buy a case
May 14 23:15:07 <johnx> Navi, Terminal?
May 14 23:15:07 <Navi> OLOLoloLOLoLOolOL
May 14 23:15:17 <Navi> johnx, yeah, the terminal that xfce4 comes with
May 14 23:15:43 <jdiaz> (what is the plural of stylus?)
May 14 23:15:57 <KotCzarny> styluses
May 14 23:16:02 <KotCzarny> or stylee
May 14 23:16:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 23:16:03 <dieman> anyhow, pfeh
May 14 23:16:06 <jdiaz> styli?
May 14 23:16:07 <lcuk> lcuk is not misspelt, you just dont know what it is for :)
May 14 23:16:09 <dieman> guess i'll just go to the store and find something
May 14 23:16:13 <Grackle> styli or styluses
May 14 23:16:26 <lcuk> old pda case for now
May 14 23:16:27 <Navi> lcuk, :P
May 14 23:16:32 * Grackle would go with styli
May 14 23:16:58 <KotCzarny> you say penises, not peni
May 14 23:16:59 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 23:17:23 * jdiaz remembers his surprise when learned that data was the plural form of datum
May 14 23:17:28 <Grackle> Maybe /you/ do, pfft.
May 14 23:18:11 <Blafasel> jdiaz: status is the plural of status (well, maybe you'd have written it statuus)
May 14 23:18:19 * Grackle inflicts horribly catchy and annoying music upon #maemo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_kz6Sp500
May 14 23:19:35 <lcuk> right, i think the time has come to powerdown
May 14 23:19:46 <lcuk> i will be back in about a week
May 14 23:19:55 <KotCzarny> i think earlier
May 14 23:19:55 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 23:19:56 <jdiaz> hibernating?
May 14 23:20:00 <lcuk> not at all
May 14 23:20:09 <lcuk> i have 0 internet and am glad
May 14 23:20:09 <KotCzarny> you will get inetrnet
May 14 23:20:17 <lcuk> this is a holiday not just warm irc
May 14 23:20:30 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 23:20:39 <jdiaz> but you'll carry your tablet
May 14 23:20:57 <lcuk> of course, nothing better than lying by the pool coding :)
May 14 23:21:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 14 23:21:07 <KotCzarny> hah.
May 14 23:21:39 <jdiaz> talking about coding in the pool... I bought today one of these flexible keyboards
May 14 23:22:10 <lcuk> wicked, ive got an apple bt
May 14 23:22:36 <jdiaz> the touch is dreadful, but, hey, my first computer was a 48k spectrum!
May 14 23:22:37 <Navi> someone should port stripclub to the NITs
May 14 23:22:38 <lcuk> why havent they brought out the lilo keyboard
May 14 23:23:13 <MajMin7> hey lcuk
May 14 23:23:18 <lcuk> hi maj
May 14 23:23:20 <MajMin7> i got it to work
May 14 23:23:25 <MajMin7> its total crap though
May 14 23:23:29 <lcuk> well now my life is complete
May 14 23:23:32 <MajMin7> lol
May 14 23:23:42 <lcuk> did you show your students
May 14 23:23:44 <MajMin7> no
May 14 23:23:45 <lcuk> or wasnt it worth it
May 14 23:23:50 <MajMin7> im not done
May 14 23:23:55 <MajMin7> i still have to code the project
May 14 23:24:03 <MajMin7> i thought you might want to know the story though
May 14 23:24:22 <lcuk> it will wait for another week
May 14 23:24:22 <MajMin7> there's this application called /usr/lbexec/navicore-gpsd-helper
May 14 23:24:27 <Navi> http://sourceforge.net/projects/stripclub/
May 14 23:24:29 <lcuk> gnite all
May 14 23:24:34 <KotCzarny> nite nite
May 14 23:24:41 <lcuk> kot you have 2 mins to grab code
May 14 23:24:49 <lcuk> offsite backup :)
May 14 23:24:50 <jdiaz> see you
May 14 23:26:54 <jdiaz> btw, is it affected chinook by the debian openssl vulnerability?
May 14 23:27:09 <Navi> oh yeah, that's total lol
May 14 23:27:18 <johnx> Navi, apt-cache search stripclub
May 14 23:27:35 <Navi> Oh, I know it's there
May 14 23:27:37 <Navi> I saw it too
May 14 23:27:45 <jdiaz> navi, why?
May 14 23:27:46 <johnx> ah, you mean hildonize it?
May 14 23:27:57 <Navi> I just wanted to see people make dirty jokes before saying that it's just a comic viewer
May 14 23:28:02 <Navi> but it didn't work out :P
May 14 23:28:20 <jdiaz> no one would comment without first checking the link :-)
May 14 23:29:49 <Navi> wonder if qcomicviewer is nice
May 14 23:30:14 <GeneralAntilles> Navi fails at trolling.
May 14 23:30:25 <Navi> That wasn't trolling
May 14 23:30:31 <jdiaz> I tried comix
May 14 23:30:40 <GeneralAntilles> Exactly, Navi. :P
May 14 23:30:43 <jdiaz> it crashed most of the time
May 14 23:30:43 <Navi> comix is fine with some modification
May 14 23:30:46 <Navi> really?
May 14 23:30:49 <Navi> never crashed for me
May 14 23:30:59 <jdiaz> you probably have swapping enabled
May 14 23:31:04 <Navi> yeah
May 14 23:31:09 <Navi> it ate up ram
May 14 23:31:28 <GeneralAntilles> Everybody should have swap on.
May 14 23:31:34 <jdiaz> but does not check for null mallocs :-)
May 14 23:31:56 <derf> You can't check for null mallocs.
May 14 23:32:06 <jdiaz> why not?
May 14 23:32:06 <derf> Linux over-commits pages.
May 14 23:32:24 <derf> It hands you back a nice valid address that doesn't actually map to anything.
May 14 23:32:31 <jdiaz> oh
May 14 23:32:33 <derf> And then tries to go map it the first time you use it.
May 14 23:32:55 <jdiaz> so, if you run out of ram, you can't detect it?
May 14 23:33:09 <derf> You could install a signal handler to catch the segfault.
May 14 23:33:13 <derf> But good luck recovering from it.
May 14 23:33:20 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, it doesn't always play nice with everyone's card...
May 14 23:33:31 <jdiaz> hmm.. anyway, comix did not segfault. It caused reboot instead
May 14 23:33:38 <Navi> lol
May 14 23:33:48 <jdiaz> it also happened to evince, trying to read PDF comics
May 14 23:33:56 <derf> Hooray watchdog timer.
May 14 23:34:07 <GeneralAntilles> People shouldn't buy shitty cards. :P
May 14 23:34:18 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, :P
May 14 23:34:37 <Navi> johnx, :P
May 14 23:34:57 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, I don't think the SD driver on the tablet is still 100% bullet proof yet
May 14 23:35:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe, I don't believe so either.
May 14 23:35:20 * GeneralAntilles puts a bullet through johnx's N800.
May 14 23:35:23 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, not bullet proof.
May 14 23:35:35 <johnx> hi-la-ri-ous
May 14 23:35:35 <Grackle> :O
May 14 23:35:36 <Navi> awesome
May 14 23:35:43 <Navi> qcomicbook rocks
May 14 23:35:51 <Navi> it just needs to stop being ugly
May 14 23:35:57 * Navi looks for a good qt theme
May 14 23:35:58 <johnx> heh
May 14 23:36:27 <Navi> A lot better than that python monster
May 14 23:36:28 <Grackle> Ugly? What are you talking about, it's Qt as hell.
May 14 23:36:53 <Navi> HAHAHA UR SO FUNNY
May 14 23:36:58 <Navi> Damned puns
May 14 23:37:08 <johnx> cranky much?
May 14 23:37:15 <Navi> Not really
May 14 23:37:23 <Navi> I just like acting like that whenever someone uses a pun :D
May 14 23:37:31 <johnx> aah
May 14 23:37:37 <GeneralAntilles> Navi's so funny. . . .
May 14 23:37:42 <Navi> i kno rite?
May 15 00:06:29 <Grackle> wao that killed the chat
May 15 00:07:07 <johnx> Yeah, I blame Navi :D
May 15 00:07:18 <GeneralAntilles> There's something everybody can get behind!
May 15 00:07:30 <Navi> I hate Navi
May 15 00:07:35 <Navi> Navi always ruins everything
May 15 00:07:44 <GeneralAntilles> Self-hating fairy.
May 15 00:10:30 <KotCzarny> chat is a lie
May 15 00:11:39 <Grackle> I'm surprised that there's no netbsd port for the n800.
May 15 00:12:24 <Navi> :
May 15 00:12:26 <Navi> :/
May 15 00:12:30 <Navi> N800 ran out of power
May 15 00:12:47 <johnx> Navi, O_o
May 15 00:12:49 <KotCzarny> grackle: power management is closed source
May 15 00:12:54 <KotCzarny> so not much point
May 15 00:13:01 <Grackle> Ah, that's a good reason.
May 15 00:13:07 <Navi> let's see how long that took
May 15 00:13:19 <KotCzarny> also, if you have armel port of netbsd you can try running it
May 15 00:13:24 <elb> that would never stop netbsd
May 15 00:13:29 <Grackle> I guess the fact that the software it comes with is pretty damn good to begin with also negates the need for a netbsd port.
May 15 00:13:34 <johnx> yeah there's a lot of stuff that needs to be rewritten from scratch to make netbsd work
May 15 00:13:37 <elb> most of their "supported" platforms just means it can initialize the kernel
May 15 00:13:50 <elb> maybe spit a few bytes out tty0 on a serial port
May 15 00:13:56 <Grackle> I wouldn
May 15 00:14:01 <Grackle> I wouldn't say 'most of'
May 15 00:14:04 <elb> yeah, most of
May 15 00:14:04 <Navi> johnx, took about 2 hours with wifi on with usage :/
May 15 00:14:07 <elb> look at the list some time ;-)
May 15 00:14:13 <johnx> hey, that's not too bad
May 15 00:14:15 <Grackle> I have,
May 15 00:14:35 <elb> it's super annoying to have something you want to put netbsd on, only to find out it doesn't really *work* there
May 15 00:14:39 <elb> :-P
May 15 00:15:02 <KotCzarny> who uses netbsd anyway?
May 15 00:15:04 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 00:15:07 <elb> I think that is literally their criteria for listing support ... the kernel initializes and some communication can be done with the console
May 15 00:15:17 <elb> keep in mind that for embedded systems that's normally "enough"
May 15 00:17:01 <Grackle> I dunno elb, a lot of stuff on there is damn well supported. Handheld devices are sketchier because of weird hardware, but a random selection of ports brings up a lot of supported devices and peripherals.
May 15 00:17:25 <elb> well, they also pruned the list for 4.0
May 15 00:17:36 <elb> so maybe it's not as bad as I remember
May 15 00:17:53 <elb> (gcc had even dropped support for some of the supported platforms)
May 15 00:19:37 <Grackle> Well anyway, I don't really want netbsd, I just figured I'd look into it.
May 15 00:20:10 <johnx> that's good. It will be enough of a challenge just getting a new linux kernel when we eventually want one
May 15 00:20:39 <Grackle> Yes, I've been wondering about that.
May 15 00:22:00 <johnx> the important thing will be to poke Nokia to release the binary part of the wireless driver in a way that makes it possible to abstract
May 15 00:22:57 <Grackle> What do we have right now?
May 15 00:23:07 <Navi> I'd just like some power management
May 15 00:23:11 <johnx> the binary part is a loadable kernel module so it's bound to a specific kernel version
May 15 00:23:12 <Navi> right now
May 15 00:23:28 <johnx> Navi, we could strace wlancond I guess
May 15 00:23:39 <Grackle> Oh, is that how that works. Yuck, heh.
May 15 00:23:57 <johnx> but really, given that iwconfig does *something* it might not be too hard
May 15 00:24:18 <Navi> Heh
May 15 00:24:28 <Navi> if it did nothing, I wouldn't be able to connect to my router
May 15 00:24:44 <johnx> err...that iwconfig power on does something
May 15 00:24:48 <Navi> :)
May 15 00:24:51 <johnx> :P
May 15 00:25:15 <Grackle> https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1236 What about this, johnx?
May 15 00:25:34 <johnx> right
May 15 00:25:37 <johnx> there are two parts
May 15 00:25:46 <Grackle> Oh, and that's the open part.
May 15 00:25:57 <johnx> yes, from what I understand
May 15 00:26:01 <johnx> I'm not a kernel hacker
May 15 00:26:13 <Grackle> I figured you weren't missing out on something that was right on maemo.org :P
May 15 00:27:12 <johnx> nope, though I wish I was. :/ I took that source and a patch on the mailing list that addes wext18 support to cx3110x and that's why Debian has wpa support through wpa_supplicant
May 15 00:27:30 <Navi> don't we all wish we were?
May 15 00:28:58 <Grackle> http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry080512-191044 whee
May 15 00:29:31 <johnx> whee!
May 15 00:29:49 <johnx> seriously...people have this weird thing for ubuntu
May 15 00:30:10 <johnx> I just really don't get it...
May 15 00:30:19 <Navi> Ubuntu = god
May 15 00:30:26 <Navi> All praise Ubuntu
May 15 00:30:40 <Navi> UBUNTU? Did you say Ubuntu?!
May 15 00:30:44 <Grackle> I don't think it's weird. It's well maintained and well marketed.
May 15 00:30:53 <johnx> the key is the last point
May 15 00:31:02 <johnx> but I mean specifically for putting it on ARM devices
May 15 00:31:08 <Navi> Doesn't matter how great Ubuntu is
May 15 00:31:13 <Navi> People just have a thing for it
May 15 00:31:27 <Navi> It doesn't matter how well it actually works
May 15 00:32:09 <johnx> exactly...there's been debian running on the Z since approximately *forever* but as soon as someone spends like months making ubuntu work and gets that working, everyone goes nuts
May 15 00:32:37 <Grackle> Well johnx, I say let them do it. There's a lot of interest in it, there's a large community, and there's good marketing. Canonical managed to get ubuntu onto dell machines. Maybe they could make their way into the pda market.
May 15 00:32:37 <GeneralAntilles> OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG UBUNTUUBUNTUUBUNTU
May 15 00:32:52 <sp3000> mushroom mushroom
May 15 00:33:43 <Navi> heh
May 15 00:33:48 <johnx> Grackle, they're free to do whatever they want...but it's pretty silly to put that much effort into ubuntu rather than just taking the part of ubuntu they don't like and grafting it onto the already working Debian setup
May 15 00:34:08 <johnx> s/don't/do
May 15 00:34:33 <Navi> The stuff that's already there is great
May 15 00:34:41 <Grackle> It's politics, mostly.
May 15 00:34:54 <Navi> we don't need to split up a niche market even more :P
May 15 00:35:15 <johnx> Navi, exactly...that's why for a while I wasn't sure if pushing forward with Debian was the right thing to do
May 15 00:35:53 <Navi> Debian on the Zaurus or N800?
May 15 00:35:58 <johnx> n800
May 15 00:36:09 <Navi> nah, pushing that is a good idea
May 15 00:36:21 <KotCzarny> push, baby, push push
May 15 00:38:35 <Navi> weird
May 15 00:43:27 <Navi> I'm trying to send a rar over scp
May 15 00:43:58 <johnx> .rar's are weird
May 15 00:44:09 <Navi> I can't extract them on the N800
May 15 00:44:12 <Navi> I can on my PC
May 15 00:44:30 <KotCzarny> do you have unrar?
May 15 00:44:36 <Navi> ...
May 15 00:44:50 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 15 00:45:04 <Navi> Anyways, extracting it fails
May 15 00:45:46 <johnx> hey...the wireless actually went to sleep after 51 seconds :D
May 15 00:45:54 <johnx> wireless power saving works! muahahaha
May 15 00:46:06 <Grackle> haha
May 15 00:46:09 <Grackle> 51 seconds
May 15 00:46:10 <Grackle> ncie
May 15 00:46:12 <Grackle> nice
May 15 00:46:17 <Navi> johnx, cool
May 15 00:46:20 <Navi> how'd you do it?
May 15 00:46:30 <johnx> iwconfig wlan0 power on
May 15 00:46:36 <Navi> :P
May 15 00:46:40 <johnx> that's the one setting that works
May 15 00:47:06 <Navi> I need to alias ls to ls --color
May 15 00:47:12 <johnx> and it gives me in dmesg: "cx3110x: PSM dynamic with 51020 ms CAM timeout."
May 15 00:47:29 <KotCzarny> johnx: make it 4s
May 15 00:47:42 <johnx> KotCzarny, the whole point is I *can't*
May 15 00:47:53 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 00:47:56 <johnx> that's the only option: 51.02s or always on
May 15 00:47:58 <KotCzarny> oh, well
May 15 00:48:22 <johnx> yeah, it should help a bit
May 15 00:48:43 <Navi> heh
May 15 00:48:46 <Grackle> How are you trying to set the period?
May 15 00:48:57 <johnx> iwconfig wlan0 period 1
May 15 00:49:04 <johnx> doesn't matter what I give it
May 15 00:49:10 <johnx> timeout doesn't work either
May 15 00:49:11 <Navi> iwconfig wlan0 power saving <insertnumberhere> doesn't work either :P
May 15 00:49:16 <johnx> nope
May 15 00:49:26 <johnx> I tried like *every* option for power that I could find
May 15 00:49:31 <Grackle> how about timeout <number>u
May 15 00:49:32 <Grackle> oh ok
May 15 00:49:35 <Grackle> :/
May 15 00:49:42 <johnx> Grackle, I haven't tried u yet
May 15 00:50:01 <Grackle> or ms
May 15 00:50:09 <Navi> I've tried with power saving
May 15 00:50:10 <johnx> tried m for ms
May 15 00:50:11 <Grackle> Might work, seeing how it outputs in ms
May 15 00:50:13 <johnx> no love
May 15 00:50:16 <Grackle> :/
May 15 00:50:50 <johnx> it might be possible to implement more wext stuff in the open source driver
May 15 00:51:13 <Navi> Mmm
May 15 00:51:27 <Navi> qcomicbook works nice
May 15 01:00:47 <johnx> uhm...well I did *something* and now ssh is acthing skitchy
May 15 01:01:09 <johnx> poking around in /sys/devices/platform/wlan-omap
May 15 01:01:28 <KotCzarny> power timeout can affect ssh performance
May 15 01:01:42 <johnx> I did echo 1 > psm
May 15 01:01:50 <johnx> psm ?= power saving mode
May 15 01:02:38 <KotCzarny> dmesg|tail ?
May 15 01:03:00 <johnx> nothing but the usuall VMMC stuff
May 15 01:03:26 <KotCzarny> try 1000 ?
May 15 01:03:53 <KotCzarny> or better yet, what was the default?
May 15 01:03:56 <KotCzarny> before you changed it
May 15 01:03:57 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 01:04:02 <johnx> I can't...I tried to echi 2 at it and echo hung
May 15 01:04:05 <johnx> it was 2
May 15 01:04:24 <Navi> hey, cool
May 15 01:04:34 <Navi> the wifi chip area isn't burning hot anymore
May 15 01:05:23 <KotCzarny> maybe it's a simple on/off then
May 15 01:05:49 <johnx> I would laugh pretty hard if wlancond is just a running echo n > /sys/foo
May 15 01:05:54 <Navi> lol
May 15 01:06:05 <johnx> ...but I think it might be for a lot of stuff
May 15 01:06:22 <johnx> like channels, mac address, txpower
May 15 01:06:41 <Navi> eh
May 15 01:07:31 <Navi> weird
May 15 01:07:36 <Navi> none of my hardware keys are working
May 15 01:07:53 <johnx> did you just reboot and they stopped working?
May 15 01:07:58 <Navi> yep
May 15 01:08:06 <johnx> try killing X and starting it again
May 15 01:08:19 <Navi> mmk
May 15 01:08:23 <johnx> ok iwconfig wlan0 power off causes psm to be 0, and power on makes it 2
May 15 01:08:33 <KotCzarny> try 3 then
May 15 01:08:57 <johnx> hang
May 15 01:09:16 <KotCzarny> 5 6?
May 15 01:09:24 <johnx> will have to reboot first I guess
May 15 01:09:38 <KotCzarny> or iwconfig down maybe?
May 15 01:09:40 <KotCzarny> rmmod ?
May 15 01:11:47 <johnx> did that
May 15 01:11:50 <johnx> didn't come back up
May 15 01:12:46 <johnx> woo
May 15 01:12:49 <johnx> and it's back
May 15 01:14:38 <Navi> :P
May 15 01:16:47 <johnx> I think 2 is dynamic and 1 is powersave
May 15 01:17:22 <johnx> I should boot back to os2008 and see what it does under that
May 15 01:20:07 * Grackle installs strace
May 15 01:21:29 <johnx> 1 might be the "agressive" powersaving from so2008
May 15 01:21:30 <johnx> not sure
May 15 01:21:46 <johnx> ssh certainly feels the same as in os2008
May 15 01:22:16 <johnx> get some DPMS love into the X server and maybe call it done :D
May 15 01:22:58 <_berto_> dudes, vagalume 0.6 is out -> http://blogs.igalia.com/berto/2008/05/15/vagalume-06-released/
May 15 01:23:35 <johnx> hot sauce
May 15 01:24:08 <GeneralAntilles> When's Vagalume gonna spare us the repository stupidity and move to Extras? :\
May 15 01:24:21 <_berto_> as soon as they give me the account
May 15 01:24:22 <_berto_> :)
May 15 01:24:26 <_berto_> I've already requested it
May 15 01:24:30 <Navi> :P
May 15 01:24:48 <GeneralAntilles> Speed things up, badger X-Fade_. :P
May 15 01:26:39 <johnx> I'll get a debian/armel build running :)
May 15 01:26:43 <Navi> :D
May 15 01:27:23 <johnx> darn...wmaker is pretty useless without right click :(
May 15 01:27:27 <Navi> of course, the old build is still there
May 15 01:27:43 <johnx> old build?
May 15 01:27:55 <Navi> apt-cache search vagalume
May 15 01:28:05 <johnx> oh, suppose so
May 15 01:28:18 <johnx> I didn't realize it already got into debian
May 15 01:28:20 <johnx> that was fast
May 15 01:28:32 <_berto_> last version
May 15 01:28:42 <_berto_> this one isn't uploaded yet
May 15 01:28:47 <_berto_> but it should be tomorrow
May 15 01:29:04 <johnx> that's ok...I'm curious about compile time
May 15 01:30:13 <_berto_> you mean this? -> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=agarcia%40igalia.com
May 15 01:32:57 <johnx> fair enough, curiosity satisfied
May 15 01:33:06 <johnx> saves me installing a build env on my n800 too
May 15 01:33:57 <johnx> so nice to see such a slick little app in this era of "everything + the kitchen sink" media players
May 15 01:35:12 <_berto_> well, even if I wanted to do a huge media player (which is not the case) I don't have time for more :D
May 15 01:35:48 <johnx> honestly, if vagalume was a huge all-encompassing thing I think it would lose a lot of its charm to me
May 15 01:35:56 <johnx> I open it, hit play and music comes out
May 15 01:36:13 <_berto_> I don't plan to do that
May 15 01:36:21 <johnx> good :)
May 15 01:36:58 <Navi> heh
May 15 01:37:01 <_berto_> in fact I try to make all the new features optional at compile time, in case anyone wants just the basic player
May 15 01:37:14 <Navi> I was just going to use your tarball as my chroot in the maemo sdk
May 15 01:37:21 <Navi> and build on there :o
May 15 01:37:50 * johnx needs to do a new sbox install *grumble*
May 15 01:37:55 <Navi> :)
May 15 01:38:05 <johnx> right now I build on my zaurus :D
May 15 01:38:10 <Navi> lol XD
May 15 01:38:15 <Navi> must be hell
May 15 01:38:21 <johnx> it's not bad for small stuff
May 15 01:38:27 <Navi> I can't wait too long :P
May 15 01:38:30 <johnx> and big stuff is unlikely to succeed, so...
May 15 01:38:50 <Grackle> Is building on the zaurus any better than building on the n800?
May 15 01:38:57 <johnx> oh it's a lot worse
May 15 01:39:16 <johnx> half the RAM, slower SD hardware, slower CPU
May 15 01:39:28 <Grackle> Why don't you build on the n800 then?
May 15 01:39:30 <Navi> :P
May 15 01:39:43 <johnx> I guess I could but I didn't really have a nice debian environment til now
May 15 01:40:02 <Grackle> Use the repos from your scratchbox installation and set up a build environment in ITOS
May 15 01:40:07 <johnx> plus I can't boot to USB on the N800 and that represents the biggest flash storage I own right now
May 15 01:40:07 <Grackle> That's what I did, it works nicely.
May 15 01:40:14 <Grackle> oh
May 15 01:40:36 <johnx> It *should* be possible
May 15 01:40:56 <johnx> but if I looked into every interesting side project I'd never have released anything...
May 15 01:41:13 <Grackle> hah, true
May 15 01:44:14 <dick-richardson> got the vpn back :D
May 15 01:48:35 <Navi> I thought you could boot USB
May 15 01:49:02 <johnx> I should be able to poke at bootmenu.conf and have it just work
May 15 01:55:50 <_berto_> i need to sleep
May 15 01:55:52 <_berto_> bye all
May 15 01:55:57 <johnx> 'night _berto_
May 15 01:56:04 <Navi> bye _berto_
May 15 01:56:07 <johnx> thanks for the new vagalume release :)
May 15 01:56:16 <_berto_> you're welcome, enjoy :)
May 15 01:56:17 <Navi> Woo vagalume \o/
May 15 01:56:41 <Navi> ffs
May 15 01:56:59 <Navi> 10mb download >_>
May 15 01:57:09 <Navi> still haven't switched from the japanese repos
May 15 01:57:15 <johnx> slow?
May 15 01:57:33 <Navi> nah
May 15 01:57:38 <Navi> just takes a while to connect
May 15 02:00:18 <Navi> ugh
May 15 02:00:21 <Navi> now I don't have any sound
May 15 02:00:47 <johnx> in anything?
May 15 02:00:53 <Navi> in anything
May 15 02:01:16 <johnx> did you update a lot of alsa stuff?
May 15 02:01:40 <Navi> All I did was install vagalume
May 15 02:01:52 <johnx> sound still works here in mpd
May 15 02:02:00 <johnx> but vagalume doesn't love me
May 15 02:02:18 <Navi> channel spam time
May 15 02:02:21 <johnx> you might try recopying everything from /mnt/rootfs/usr/lib/alsa-lib
May 15 02:02:25 <Navi> May:/home/user# alsamixer
May 15 02:02:27 <Navi> dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3
May 15 02:02:29 <Navi> dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm_rec1
May 15 02:02:31 <Navi> dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm3
May 15 02:02:33 <Navi> dsp_protocol_probe_node(): Could not open pcm device file /dev/dsptask/pcm_rec1
May 15 02:02:34 <johnx> O_o
May 15 02:02:55 <johnx> what about alsamixer -D master
May 15 02:03:08 <dieman> yay
May 15 02:03:18 <dieman> found a psp case for my n810
May 15 02:03:37 <dieman> neoprene ftw
May 15 02:03:54 <Navi> no error
May 15 02:04:16 <Navi> oh yeah
May 15 02:05:00 <Grackle> A PSP case fits your N810?
May 15 02:05:02 <Grackle> How well?
May 15 02:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> Considering that the PSP is several orders of magnitude larger than the N810. . .
May 15 02:06:21 <Navi> johnx, reminds me
May 15 02:06:28 <johnx> mm?
May 15 02:06:44 <Navi> I like your choice of song that you picked to come with debian
May 15 02:06:50 <johnx> ahahaha
May 15 02:06:51 <Grackle> Yeah.. I wouldn't think it would fit at all, really.
May 15 02:07:02 <johnx> I was so freakin' tired when I spun that last tarball
May 15 02:07:13 <KotCzarny> abba?
May 15 02:07:23 <johnx> Moxy Fruvous
May 15 02:07:35 <johnx> awesome song :D
May 15 02:07:51 <Navi> :)
May 15 02:08:00 <KotCzarny> never heard of
May 15 02:08:01 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 02:08:18 <johnx> Moxy Fruvous - King of Spain
May 15 02:08:57 <KotCzarny> http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/MSI_Wind_PC_Actual_Product_First_Look/5774.html
May 15 02:09:02 <Navi> I'm rebooting to see if it helps
May 15 02:09:06 <KotCzarny> looks like wii pc
May 15 02:09:17 <Grackle> hah, it does
May 15 02:09:19 <Grackle> it's cute
May 15 02:09:23 <Navi> Oh yeah
May 15 02:09:30 <Navi> They're nerfing the Linux one :P
May 15 02:09:36 <johnx> yeah
May 15 02:09:46 <Grackle> Lame.
May 15 02:09:48 <johnx> 512MB of RAM is fine...but the 3 cell battery hurts
May 15 02:10:05 <Navi> then they'll probably complain that the Linux PCs aren't getting as many sales
May 15 02:10:28 <Grackle> weird song, johnx
May 15 02:10:36 <johnx> :D
May 15 02:10:41 <Navi> and microshaft will use that to catapult themselves into the ultra low cost market
May 15 02:10:50 <johnx> hah
May 15 02:10:50 <Grackle> It's not *bad*, it's just *strange*
May 15 02:10:52 <KotCzarny> with xp home?
May 15 02:10:55 * KotCzarny vomits
May 15 02:10:56 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 02:11:01 <Navi> vomit indeed
May 15 02:11:06 <Navi> but end users don't know the difference
May 15 02:11:16 <KotCzarny> games will play, right
May 15 02:11:28 <johnx> MS has taken an utterly inept strategy at dealing with low-end, cheap x86 sub-portables
May 15 02:11:29 <KotCzarny> somehow
May 15 02:11:54 <Navi> Hey look! We have a few copies of XP Home laying around
May 15 02:12:03 * Navi looks at the several warehouses full of them
May 15 02:12:14 <Navi> We'll give them to you if you follow our guidelines
May 15 02:12:19 <johnx> but you can't use them on any machine with more than X MB of RAM or a >1GHz CPU unless we change our minds
May 15 02:12:34 <Grackle> Heh, they don't need physical copies.
May 15 02:12:38 <KotCzarny> i wonder if cpu upgrade would be allowed
May 15 02:12:39 <KotCzarny> :>
May 15 02:12:41 <Grackle> Nobody ships install discs anymore.
May 15 02:12:54 <Navi> The Isaiah and the Atom don't count in the 1GHz llimit
May 15 02:13:04 <KotCzarny> xp detected that your cpu is too fast, bsod
May 15 02:13:07 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 02:13:10 <johnx> KotCzarny, CPUs probably aren't socketed in those kind of machines
May 15 02:13:10 <Navi> Lol
May 15 02:13:48 <KotCzarny> johnx: that would suck when your mobo dies
May 15 02:13:54 <Navi> Pfft
May 15 02:13:56 <Navi> cheap pc
May 15 02:13:58 <Navi> just buy a new one
May 15 02:14:44 <Navi> reboot fixed it
May 15 02:15:05 <Navi> I wish the headphone jack worked
May 15 02:15:12 <johnx> Navi, it does...
May 15 02:15:17 <Navi> Oh
May 15 02:15:18 <johnx> just enable it in mixer :P
May 15 02:15:34 <johnx> headset amplifier or somesuch
May 15 02:15:40 <Navi> gah
May 15 02:15:48 <Navi> not having modest installed is really fucking me over
May 15 02:15:55 <Navi> I'm several days behind on email
May 15 02:16:01 <Navi> d
May 15 02:16:08 <johnx> I know...it forces me to stay up to date too
May 15 02:16:25 <Navi> Does it?
May 15 02:16:45 <johnx> it blinks that damn blue light at me from across the room unless I at least read me mail
May 15 02:17:03 <Navi> Heh
May 15 02:17:28 <johnx> ah, would you mind pastebining /var/log/messages from when sound wasn't working?
May 15 02:17:41 <johnx> kinda interested to see if the dsp task died or something...
May 15 02:17:42 <Navi> sure
May 15 02:18:13 <Navi> after I get my network up, swap enabled, and power on
May 15 02:18:25 <johnx> in that order?
May 15 02:18:40 <johnx> I put swap in /etc/fstab
May 15 02:18:46 <Navi> You'd think that'd be a weird order
May 15 02:18:53 <Navi> Nah, I'm much too lazy to put it in fstab
May 15 02:18:56 <johnx> I don't see why
May 15 02:19:00 <Navi> I haven't even changed the repo yet
May 15 02:19:04 <Navi> network for ssh
May 15 02:19:24 <Navi> swap's in my bash history
May 15 02:19:39 <johnx> it's funny that you did the whole keyboard thing then :)
May 15 02:19:44 <johnx> I was putting off looking at that
May 15 02:19:55 <Navi> heh
May 15 02:20:05 <Navi> lucky you
May 15 02:20:11 <Navi> I wanted it more than you :P
May 15 02:20:32 <Grackle> damn it
May 15 02:20:44 <Grackle> *hums 'now I eat humble pie'*
May 15 02:20:50 <johnx> ahahaha
May 15 02:20:50 <Navi> Hehe :D
May 15 02:21:08 <Navi> it's catchy indeed
May 15 02:21:15 <Navi> I had it on loop for a while
May 15 02:21:44 <johnx> it was the one song I could stand to listen to over and over as I messed with the settings for mpd
May 15 02:23:06 <pupnik> http://www.thechurning.com/?p=327  there's a catchy song too
May 15 02:25:15 <Navi> the collapsed interface in gmpc is nice
May 15 02:25:28 <Navi> not the fully collapsed interface
May 15 02:25:31 <Navi> the middle one
May 15 02:26:19 <Navi> hmm
May 15 02:26:25 <Navi> needs a toggle
May 15 02:26:39 <johnx> that looks nice
May 15 02:26:44 <Navi> sound that is
May 15 02:27:02 <johnx> I think I'll just switch to sonata now though
May 15 02:27:13 <Navi> haha
May 15 02:28:01 <Navi> playing with the n800 speakers as well makes sound richer
May 15 02:28:11 <Navi> even though the n800 speakers suck :/
May 15 02:28:23 <johnx> they really don't for something that size though
May 15 02:28:31 <Navi> yeh
May 15 02:29:14 <johnx> you have start comparing them to a pretty decent laptop before they lose
May 15 02:29:28 <Navi> Oh yeah, the song also fits nicely in the midrange tones
May 15 02:29:36 <Navi> which the N800 does nicely
May 15 02:29:50 * Grackle decides to play some music on his n800 now
May 15 02:29:53 <johnx> probably wasn't the best to test with
May 15 02:30:06 <Navi> probably not
May 15 02:30:06 <Grackle> yay soma.fm
May 15 02:30:16 <johnx> BTW, if you end up with distortion in mpd tweak the write_size in mpd.conf
May 15 02:30:47 <Navi> mmk
May 15 02:30:59 <Navi> I'll scp over some full ranged music
May 15 02:31:16 <Navi> more complicated too :P
May 15 02:31:22 <Grackle> Hmm, the n800 drives my massive headphones nicely.
May 15 02:31:27 <Navi> Heh
May 15 02:31:36 <Navi> needs an equalizer
May 15 02:31:45 <Grackle> yeah
May 15 02:31:56 <johnx> heh...my zaurus has settings for bass and treble with various cut-offs
May 15 02:31:58 <Navi> GA's going to come in any moment and say equalizers suck :P
May 15 02:32:04 <Navi> show-off
May 15 02:32:25 <johnx> but I don't know how to set them so that it sounds good O_o
May 15 02:32:36 <GeneralAntilles> No, Navi sux.
May 15 02:32:43 <Navi> no u
May 15 02:33:12 <Navi> johnx, tell me how well sonata performs
May 15 02:33:19 <johnx> ok
May 15 02:33:24 <Navi> If it sucks, I'll go bitch at stonecrest ^_^
May 15 02:33:25 <johnx> thought it was fine on my zaurus
May 15 02:33:33 <johnx> I don't see it being worse
May 15 02:36:17 <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to set microb to the useragent string of the iphone?
May 15 02:36:26 <Navi> about:config
May 15 02:36:31 <livinroom> dont you mention the Zaurus here
May 15 02:36:38 <Navi> ZAURUS
May 15 02:36:40 <Navi> ZAURUS
May 15 02:36:44 <livinroom> BURN THE WITCH!
May 15 02:36:54 <EruditeHermit> what string in about:config
May 15 02:37:01 <Navi> I don't remember, actually
May 15 02:37:01 <Grackle> And what do we use to burn witches?
May 15 02:37:04 <Navi> sorry
May 15 02:37:05 <livinroom> well, fire
May 15 02:37:07 <livinroom> fire burns
May 15 02:37:10 <Grackle> MORE WITCHES!
May 15 02:37:10 <Navi> Grackle, cdrkit
May 15 02:37:19 <livinroom> sooo
May 15 02:37:20 <Navi> real men use wodim to burn witches
May 15 02:37:23 <johnx> why can't we all just get along?!
May 15 02:37:27 <livinroom> i just burned a CD on my n800 using an external USB cd burner
May 15 02:37:30 <johnx> EruditeHermit, google: microb user agent
May 15 02:37:33 <johnx> second result
May 15 02:38:41 <livinroom> and i burned, to cd, mp3's stolen from itunes on my iphone over a wireless network! AH-HA!!! AM I NOT THE GREATEST?
May 15 02:39:15 <johnx> you rascally pirate you
May 15 02:39:51 <Navi> ooh
May 15 02:39:54 <Navi> really bad distortion
May 15 02:39:56 <pupnik> the equalizer on xmms is quite useful
May 15 02:39:58 <pupnik> hey wb unique311
May 15 02:40:18 <pupnik> btw a nice project would be a gstreamer based equalizer, i think
May 15 02:40:21 <unique311> whats up
May 15 02:40:46 <pupnik> ordered a HD camera just to film the tablet screen..
May 15 02:40:51 <pupnik> heh
May 15 02:41:20 <Navi> Woo
May 15 02:41:24 <Navi> Good job
May 15 02:41:26 <Navi> :)
May 15 02:41:44 <GeneralAntilles> I still think the low-light sensitivity is gonna be bad. :P
May 15 02:41:58 <Navi> I still think you're bad
May 15 02:42:01 <pupnik> i'm happy lcuk will be at linuxtag cause his work will dovetail nicely into the stuff i will present as 'still sucking' about emulators
May 15 02:42:19 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: you're almost certainly right
May 15 02:42:33 <pupnik> will crank the brightness and hope for some kind of usable results
May 15 02:44:14 <KotCzarny> pupnik: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-plugin-equalizer.html
May 15 02:44:15 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 02:44:24 <pupnik> whoah
May 15 02:44:25 <KotCzarny> available in: 0.10.8
May 15 02:44:49 <KotCzarny> gstreamer project has a lots of stuff
May 15 02:45:00 <KotCzarny> see for yourself: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/plugins.html
May 15 02:45:43 <Navi> Yeah, they do
May 15 02:47:17 <KotCzarny> it could be useful for people bragging about webcam app too
May 15 02:50:40 <johnx> Navi, startup is slow as it pulls in all of python
May 15 02:51:02 <Navi> Yeah, figured as much
May 15 02:51:03 <johnx> but after that it seems ok
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