**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 18 02:59:57 2008
May 18 03:01:35 <johnx> guess that's not really conclusive...
May 18 03:01:39 <johnx> anyways, off to work
May 18 03:01:42 <zakm> haha
May 18 03:01:44 <zakm> thanks
May 18 03:01:44 <infobot> no worries, zakm
May 18 03:01:47 <zakm> ill look
May 18 03:01:56 <zakm> sorry my nephew is here so im currently distracted
May 18 03:04:09 <zakm> infobot: no worries ?
May 18 03:04:32 <KotCzarny> zakm, talking to bot?
May 18 03:08:54 <zakm> lol
May 18 03:09:02 <zakm> ohh it was triggered
May 18 03:09:04 <zakm> im tired :(
May 18 03:15:21 <KotCzarny> http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finnish+Parliament+debates+proposal+for+love+vacations+/1135234799696
May 18 03:15:24 <KotCzarny> lol
May 18 03:23:39 <zakm> is my nokia WSOD a lost cause?
May 18 03:23:42 <zakm> trying to fix
May 18 03:34:46 <pupnik> zakm my 770 recovered from wosd  .. removed battery and waited
May 18 03:35:22 <zakm> yeah
May 18 03:35:23 <zakm> i tried that
May 18 03:35:26 <zakm> i waited like 4 hours
May 18 03:35:33 <zakm> pupnik: i tried it like 12 hours ago
May 18 03:35:45 <zakm> pupnik: how long did you wait?
May 18 03:36:04 <pupnik> 5 minutes
May 18 03:36:12 <zakm> yeah see
May 18 03:36:19 <zakm> i waited like 4 hours
May 18 03:36:26 <zakm> i took out battery.. waited 4 hours. put back in
May 18 03:36:36 <zakm> its not all white? like theres some small lines
May 18 03:36:42 <zakm> vertical lines
May 18 03:36:46 <pupnik> yeah
May 18 03:36:51 <pupnik> a really weird 'color'
May 18 03:36:55 <zakm> yeah
May 18 03:37:09 <zakm> anything else i could try you think?
May 18 03:37:19 <zakm> i removed battery.. 4 hours later i put back in.. turn on.. nothing
May 18 03:37:24 <zakm> well wsod
May 18 03:37:27 <pupnik> don't know.  check itt forums.  is it under warranty?
May 18 03:37:31 <zakm> i tried reflashing in the past
May 18 03:37:32 <zakm> no warranty
May 18 03:37:39 <zakm> i bought on ebay. and they bought it in like '05 -.-
May 18 03:37:52 <zakm> i have
May 18 03:37:58 <zakm> no help -.-
May 18 03:38:22 <GeneralAntilles> 2005 and it's just WSODing now?
May 18 03:38:23 <GeneralAntilles> Yeesh
May 18 03:38:26 <GeneralAntilles> They must never have used it.
May 18 03:38:26 <zakm> i dont know what to do .. i only had it for like two weeks. i dont want to throw it in the garbage?
May 18 03:38:42 <pupnik> sorry bout that
May 18 03:38:52 <zakm> GeneralAntilles: i dont know.. one of the files on it was from '05 and it was a nokia made file
May 18 03:38:59 <zakm> unless they used a wrong date?
May 18 03:39:02 <KotCzarny> garbage is a bad option, sell for parts
May 18 03:39:06 <zakm> how would i check for warranty?
May 18 03:39:12 <zakm> i paid $85 for the 770 :(
May 18 03:39:29 <pupnik> i must have had good karma for paying $500 for my 770
May 18 03:39:30 <KotCzarny> if you are delicate you can try reseating the connector
May 18 03:39:48 <zakm> i got nothing to lose ? :P
May 18 03:39:54 <zakm> pupnik: what the ? $500?
May 18 03:39:57 <KotCzarny> zakm: you can break it
May 18 03:39:59 <zakm> pupnik: when did you buy
May 18 03:40:09 <zakm> KotCzarny: its already technically broken.. and i have no warranty?
May 18 03:40:13 <pupnik> nov 2006
May 18 03:40:30 <zakm> $85 for two weeks of use? -.-
May 18 03:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> You were that late getting in, pupnik?
May 18 03:40:31 <KotCzarny> zakm: i don't know
May 18 03:40:32 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:40:42 <zakm> im 17 years old. jobless
May 18 03:41:00 <KotCzarny> 80$ is ~1day of work
May 18 03:41:09 <zakm> yeah for you maybe
May 18 03:41:14 <zakm> i dont have a job in the first place
May 18 03:41:15 <KotCzarny> nope
May 18 03:41:23 <zakm> i wouldnt be so omg WSOD if i had a job ;p
May 18 03:41:28 <GeneralAntilles> Get one
May 18 03:41:29 <KotCzarny> i bet you can do many works
May 18 03:41:32 <zakm> its $85 i shouldn't of spent
May 18 03:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> They're easy to come by in high school. :P
May 18 03:41:38 <zakm> ive been applying.. but no luck
May 18 03:41:43 <KotCzarny> you simply have to find someone who would pay for your skills
May 18 03:41:44 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:41:52 <zakm> lol
May 18 03:42:03 <zakm> i can do computers on a software-level ?
May 18 03:42:11 <KotCzarny> zakm: data entry then
May 18 03:42:12 <zakm> Technician'ing
May 18 03:42:13 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:42:32 <zakm> yeah yeah find me a job
May 18 03:42:42 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta go pound the pavement.
May 18 03:42:44 <zakm> Toronto, ON .. might help you in finding me ;p
May 18 03:42:54 <KotCzarny> zakm: you have internet
May 18 03:43:16 <KotCzarny> i remember doing a gig for some kid for a 200$
May 18 03:43:27 <KotCzarny> it was ~3-5h of writing in php
May 18 03:43:38 <KotCzarny> and he was from another state
May 18 03:43:44 <zakm> lol
May 18 03:43:49 <KotCzarny> yeah, exams
May 18 03:43:50 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 03:43:51 <zakm> what kid has $200 for some php script
May 18 03:43:53 <zakm> o
May 18 03:44:14 <zakm> lol i cant code .. well not very well
May 18 03:44:20 <KotCzarny> then learn?
May 18 03:44:34 <KotCzarny> coding is fun
May 18 03:44:35 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:45:22 <zakm> i made an oath to stop my crazy pc learning
May 18 03:45:55 <KotCzarny> so what do you plan to do in life?
May 18 03:45:56 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:46:19 <GeneralAntilles> An oath to stop learning? <_<
May 18 03:46:35 <zakm> lol
May 18 03:46:47 <zakm> i used to sit and read those big books
May 18 03:46:58 <KotCzarny> reading is good
May 18 03:47:03 <zakm> i have a bad memory so i dont remember much
May 18 03:47:16 <zakm> but i mean like i dont wanna go and learn all the languages and all
May 18 03:47:29 <KotCzarny> well, you have to only learn one
May 18 03:47:34 <KotCzarny> the rest are similiar
May 18 03:47:36 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:47:59 <zakm> i took something called Turing in last year in school
May 18 03:48:12 <zakm> didnt take grade 11 .. grade 11 is java
May 18 03:48:33 <zakm> http://fanoush.wz.cz/lcd_closeup.jpg
May 18 03:48:40 <zakm> so i pull that out. .and back in?
May 18 03:48:41 <KotCzarny> http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/ele/682408683.html
May 18 03:48:44 <KotCzarny> 770 for parts
May 18 03:48:45 <KotCzarny> :>
May 18 03:49:07 <KotCzarny> zakm: worth a try
May 18 03:49:10 <KotCzarny> isn't it?
May 18 03:49:11 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 03:49:38 <zakm> i guess
May 18 03:49:43 <zakm> but i mean is that what you were talking about
May 18 03:49:46 <zakm> with controller?
May 18 03:49:48 <zakm> reseating
May 18 03:49:49 <KotCzarny> yes
May 18 03:50:47 <zakm> would new battery help? or totally unrelated?
May 18 03:51:01 <KotCzarny> unrelated
May 18 03:51:04 <zakm> k
May 18 03:51:17 <zakm> tomorrow.. i open it up :D
May 18 03:51:23 <KotCzarny> just be delicate
May 18 03:51:32 <KotCzarny> those little parts are fragile
May 18 03:51:36 <KotCzarny> very fragile
May 18 05:56:19 <lopz> nigth
May 18 05:56:31 <GeneralAntilles> Typo! :P
May 18 06:20:18 <qwerty12> Does anyone know a way to batch extract deb files?
May 18 06:56:55 <czr> qwerty12, you mean like for a in *.deb; do dpkg-deb -x $a; done?
May 18 06:57:10 <qwerty12> Thanks, I'll try it out.
May 18 06:57:15 <czr> (not tested mind you)
May 18 06:58:11 <qwerty12> Hehe, didn't work, thanks though :)
May 18 06:59:57 <qwerty12> w00t, fixed it up, thanks :)
May 18 07:03:48 <czr> np :-)
May 18 07:06:10 <summatusmentis> cops apparently don't like it when you're goin 55 in a 40
May 18 07:06:27 <GeneralAntilles> No really?
May 18 07:06:29 <summatusmentis> I just got a warning, but still
May 18 07:06:37 <summatusmentis> I didn't realize I was going that fast
May 18 07:06:45 <qwerty12> ""Well you was doin fifty-five in a fifty-fo' ""
May 18 07:06:46 <KotCzarny> be happy it's a warning not a accident
May 18 07:06:54 <summatusmentis> KotCzarny: no, I agree
May 18 07:07:43 <summatusmentis> now you all hate me because I'm a reckless college student, and you won't ever help me w/ maemo(if/when I get a device) :(
May 18 07:08:01 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, we've already got our reckless driver pariah.
May 18 07:08:40 <summatusmentis> good, I hope I don't replace them
May 18 07:08:44 <GeneralAntilles> and who said that we aren't all hypocrites, anyway? :P
May 18 07:08:51 * KotCzarny isn't
May 18 07:09:08 <qwerty12> Me is. I'm gonna follow summatusmentis's example when I grow up :p
May 18 07:09:14 <summatusmentis> lol, noone said that. I assume most OSS people aren't hypocrites though
May 18 07:09:23 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: bad idea. The cop was nice tonight
May 18 07:09:29 <GeneralAntilles> That's because your unit system is ridiculous, qwerty12. :P
May 18 07:09:39 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, you'd be assuming wrong.
May 18 07:09:53 <qwerty12> Hehe, I was joking :)
May 18 07:10:17 <summatusmentis> it's apparently DWI awareness night
May 18 07:10:22 <qwerty12> You know London got da heat when there are more stabbings then most other places
May 18 07:10:23 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 18 07:10:25 <summatusmentis> so they were pulling everyone over
May 18 07:10:45 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the whole firearm ban worked out really well for you guys. . . .
May 18 07:11:13 <qwerty12> Nah, most killings are done with knives
May 18 07:11:20 <GeneralAntilles> Exactly.
May 18 07:11:30 <summatusmentis> I was just gonna ask, how many of them are fatal?
May 18 07:12:22 <qwerty12> Most of them are. I've only heard of few people surviving after being knived. what upsets me is that most of the time, it's mistaken identity or for some "fun"
May 18 07:12:44 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, firearms are generally less deadly than knives.
May 18 07:12:57 <summatusmentis> I find that hard to swallow
May 18 07:13:07 <summatusmentis> considering the entire purpose behind a firearm is to kill something
May 18 07:13:32 <GeneralAntilles> The reality of the situation is that a 9mm doesn't do nearly the damage that a 4" blade will.
May 18 07:13:43 <summatusmentis> hmm
May 18 07:13:46 <GeneralAntilles> Perceptions frequently don't have a lot to do with reality. ;)
May 18 07:14:06 <GeneralAntilles> Plus there's the problem of actually hitting something.
May 18 07:14:12 <GeneralAntilles> Most criminals are pretty terrible shots.
May 18 07:14:49 <GeneralAntilles> This shit: http://www.fmft.net/archives/gangsta1/gangsta%201.JPG
May 18 07:14:51 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't work.
May 18 07:15:11 <summatusmentis> hmmm....
May 18 07:15:48 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, you don't hit anything shooting like this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/308315026_d3618fa5cf.jpg?v=0
May 18 07:16:06 <summatusmentis> I'll admit I'm just a stupid reckless college student, and don't really know what I'm talking about.
May 18 07:16:29 <summatusmentis> Apple has a defense contract now? :-/
May 18 07:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> Tactical iPhone!
May 18 07:19:40 <qwerty12> Meh, throw the iBrick on someones head.
May 18 07:19:47 <qwerty12> Should do the trick
May 18 07:19:53 <GeneralAntilles> Reminds me of a cellphone commercial. . . .
May 18 07:20:23 <summatusmentis> apparently apple bought a semi-conductor company that had a huge DoD contract
May 18 07:20:44 <GeneralAntilles> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7107840583664584754
May 18 07:20:45 <summatusmentis> and Apple is honoring it(i guess that makes sense...)
May 18 07:21:00 <czr> hey GA & KotCzarny
May 18 07:21:09 <forge> Nurr
May 18 07:21:15 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, czr. :) What's new in the world?
May 18 07:21:28 <czr> GeneralAntilles, I wouldn't know! I seldom wonder out in it.
May 18 07:21:33 <czr> you? :-)
May 18 07:21:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 18 07:21:42 <KotCzarny> hi czr
May 18 07:21:47 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: I saw that one, like... actually on tv :)
May 18 07:21:59 <GeneralAntilles> Just started pluggin' away at the summer semester.
May 18 07:22:23 <czr> GA, busy busy. working. which reminds me to get some milk. my coffee package depends on the milk virtual package :-(
May 18 07:22:25 <summatusmentis> summer semester? :-/
May 18 07:22:39 <GeneralAntilles> You gotta take at least one down here
May 18 07:22:45 <KotCzarny> czr: subscribe?
May 18 07:22:46 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:22:49 <summatusmentis> where is 'down here' ?
May 18 07:22:53 <GeneralAntilles> and it puts me in a better position credit-wise.
May 18 07:22:56 <GeneralAntilles> Florida State
May 18 07:23:09 <summatusmentis> oh really? they require a summer semester? that's annoying
May 18 07:23:12 <czr> KotCzarny, I'm afraid they don't have that service here. or the mailman would misunderstand and just pour the coffee in through the door -> not nice..
May 18 07:23:13 * qwerty12 likes Flo-Rida and T-Pain
May 18 07:23:26 <KotCzarny> czr: hrm, oursource then?
May 18 07:23:29 <czr> but, there is respite after all. next thu me be a-flyin to .jp
May 18 07:23:45 <czr> KotCzarny, you mean like a gf? contracts are PITA :-)
May 18 07:23:46 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I'm sorry :(
May 18 07:23:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:23:56 <czr> and you never know about the quality of outsourcing that you'll get in the end..
May 18 07:23:58 <KotCzarny> czr: everything has it's dark side :)
May 18 07:24:03 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, lol, why?
May 18 07:24:09 <czr> KotCzarny, indeed.
May 18 07:24:24 <czr> but I'm quite happy. my parser doesn't trip over 10TiB random binary data.
May 18 07:24:34 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, yeah, something about having to run the AC all summer to keep the buildings from rotting away and wanting students there. :P
May 18 07:24:37 <czr> which just means that I haven't really found the right combination yet. but at least it's not trivial :-)
May 18 07:24:44 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I'm sorry you've been kept disconnected from good music, so as to be trained to enjoy that crap
May 18 07:24:47 <GeneralAntilles> You can get out of it fairly easily if you want, though.
May 18 07:24:50 <KotCzarny> czr: random data is limited to 256 possible states :)
May 18 07:24:52 <GeneralAntilles> Just works out nicely for me.
May 18 07:24:59 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: lol, oh, I guess that makes sense :)
May 18 07:25:04 <czr> KotCzarny, yeah, but I'm not using the Debian PRNG ;-)
May 18 07:25:15 <czr> was using urandom at first, but it's dog slow.
May 18 07:25:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:25:29 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, >.<;. This music is just too good not like that other crap
May 18 07:25:29 <czr> now I'm using a 607 exp mersenne twister.
May 18 07:25:50 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I really, desperately, hope you're kidding :-/
May 18 07:26:02 <KotCzarny> there was a nice visualization of misc oses rngs :)
May 18 07:26:09 <qwerty12> I'm a 100% serious
May 18 07:26:14 <KotCzarny> made by lcamtuf :)
May 18 07:26:25 <czr> KotCzarny, you mean the TCP/ISN-one?
May 18 07:26:33 <KotCzarny> yes
May 18 07:26:38 <czr> it was nice indeed.
May 18 07:26:54 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: :-/
May 18 07:26:55 <KotCzarny> linux was bubbles ;)
May 18 07:27:04 <czr> but I'm not after real randomness. just seedable repeatable randomness that is useful in monte carlo. if carlo likes it, IT MUST BE TRUE.
May 18 07:27:22 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: live and let live, I guess... try listening to some Bob Marley...
May 18 07:27:37 <KotCzarny> wow, there is an update
May 18 07:27:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:27:58 <czr> KotCzarny, what is the probability of encountering a certain 32-bit pattern (byte-granular) in random input?
May 18 07:28:09 <czr> it's not 1/2^32 mind you.
May 18 07:28:12 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, >.< >.> <.<
May 18 07:28:19 <KotCzarny> hrm
May 18 07:28:32 <KotCzarny> i guess that depends on randomnes of bytes
May 18 07:28:40 <czr> assume they're perfectly random
May 18 07:28:43 <KotCzarny> b1*b2*b3*b4 ?
May 18 07:28:45 <GeneralAntilles> Bob Marley is the shit
May 18 07:28:46 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: no, but seriously. I didn't mean to offend. I just really can't stand most mainstream music, let alone rap
May 18 07:28:48 <GeneralAntilles> as is Bob Dylan
May 18 07:28:54 <GeneralAntilles> There are a number of good Bobs. :P
May 18 07:28:58 <czr> KotCzarny, but that's 1/(2^32)
May 18 07:29:04 <czr> KotCzarny, I'm seeing it more often than that
May 18 07:29:07 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Not offended :)
May 18 07:29:09 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: for real
May 18 07:29:16 <qwerty12> Just not to my taste
May 18 07:29:29 <KotCzarny> czr: in a perfect algo it's just that, i guess
May 18 07:29:30 <summatusmentis> well, change your taste then!
May 18 07:29:34 <GeneralAntilles> YOU DON'T LIKE BOB MARLEY?!?!
May 18 07:29:52 <KotCzarny> i don't like regge
May 18 07:29:53 <qwerty12> YEP I DONT LIKE IT
May 18 07:29:58 <KotCzarny> at least not very often
May 18 07:29:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:30:00 <czr> KotCzarny, neh, I'm thinking that it's less. since the surrounding byte might "pre-match" stuff as well. or maybe something in my code is broken :-)
May 18 07:30:23 <czr> I like BOB. I have his corpse right next to me here. we caress in the night.
May 18 07:30:30 <czr> he sings and I .. well.. just enjoy myself.
May 18 07:30:49 <summatusmentis> czr: you've sullied Bob Marley?
May 18 07:30:50 <KotCzarny> czr: ah, so you're asking about probability of a subsstring in a 4byte random string?
May 18 07:30:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:30:54 <czr> (seriously though haven't got a single track from B. Marley)
May 18 07:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, something is seriously wrong with you. <_<
May 18 07:30:59 <czr> KotCzarny, smt like that
May 18 07:31:06 <czr> KotCzarny, but probably not that :-)
May 18 07:31:10 <qwerty12> B.O.B is good
May 18 07:31:22 <czr> KotCzarny, assume that you have 1 GiB of random sequential bytes
May 18 07:31:30 <KotCzarny> czr: defining the problem accurately is most often the answer :)
May 18 07:31:32 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Thank you :)
May 18 07:31:41 <GeneralAntilles> Not in a good way either. :P
May 18 07:31:48 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: Boys On B<explitive>z? or some other bad rap group?
May 18 07:31:50 <czr> KotCzarny, how many times will a certain 32-bit sequence be present in the data.
May 18 07:32:07 <summatusmentis> (I made that name up, I have no idea)
May 18 07:32:16 <czr> N'Sync 4ever!
May 18 07:32:19 * czr hides & runs
May 18 07:32:22 <qwerty12> lol, one person
May 18 07:32:28 <qwerty12> N'SYNC? :O
May 18 07:32:32 <qwerty12> OMGWTF
May 18 07:32:36 <KotCzarny> from 1 to 1gig/2 (with 0101010..) ?
May 18 07:32:36 <czr> hey, telecom..
May 18 07:32:37 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:32:39 <czr> sync is important.
May 18 07:32:51 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: you and czr are on about the same level in music taste, fwiw
May 18 07:33:04 <czr> summatusmentis, at least we have some..
May 18 07:33:05 <czr> err.
May 18 07:33:05 <summatusmentis> (assuming he was serious about N'Sync, which I doubt)
May 18 07:33:16 <summatusmentis> czr: :D
May 18 07:33:18 <czr> I don't do boybands.
May 18 07:33:36 <KotCzarny> lol
May 18 07:33:40 <qwerty12> eew, boybands. They should pull the trigger on themselves
May 18 07:33:43 <qwerty12> czr, double meaning?
May 18 07:33:44 <summatusmentis> I would say something crude, but I don't know what the rules are here
May 18 07:33:45 <qwerty12> :p
May 18 07:33:52 <KotCzarny> *bands are for teens
May 18 07:33:54 <KotCzarny> and pre teens
May 18 07:33:54 <czr> qwerty12, well, I don't listen to them nor do them :-)
May 18 07:33:55 <summatusmentis> well, nvm, qwerty12 went there anyway
May 18 07:34:01 <qwerty12> lol
May 18 07:34:36 <summatusmentis> KotCzarny: any band? or just bands that fall under a *band category?
May 18 07:35:04 <KotCzarny> ok .+band
May 18 07:35:08 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 07:35:30 <czr> band-gaps
May 18 07:36:00 <czr> uh oh. hit a recognized PDU in the random stream..
May 18 07:36:02 * czr curses
May 18 07:36:07 <Grackle> wrist bands
May 18 07:37:39 <czr> weird. I'm getting bytes that should be dropped..
May 18 07:37:46 * czr curses some more
May 18 07:39:03 * qwerty12 tries building truecrypt 5.1a...
May 18 07:39:21 <czr> ah, found the snag.
May 18 07:39:28 * GeneralAntilles throws a monkey wrench in qwerty12's make.
May 18 07:39:32 <czr> hmm. now I have to restart the 10TiB payload testing.. argh.
May 18 07:39:43 <qwerty12> Damn, it must have hit :p
May 18 07:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> That's for having bad taste in music! :P
May 18 07:40:00 <qwerty12> I hate having to apply patches by hand...
May 18 07:40:09 <qwerty12> Muahahahahaha
May 18 07:40:11 <czr> you mean like coding?
May 18 07:40:52 <qwerty12> I mean opening up the patch and copying and pasting the patch into the right file because it wont apply with patch -p1
May 18 07:41:36 <czr> I know what you mean :-)
May 18 07:41:49 <qwerty12> :)
May 18 07:41:52 <GeneralAntilles> It's a spy!
May 18 07:41:58 <qwerty12> It's all GeneralAntilles's fault!
May 18 07:42:04 <czr> I'm just too lazy to fix my code at the moment so I'm pulling your leg (or arm, can't tell which)
May 18 07:42:05 <GeneralAntilles> I plead the 5th!
May 18 07:42:26 <summatusmentis> I'm going to bed. Night all
May 18 07:42:30 <qwerty12> night
May 18 07:42:39 <czr> night? tis morning here..
May 18 07:42:40 <qwerty12> Wait until I find this monkey wrench and send it to florida with a popup thing....
May 18 07:42:44 <czr> well, not even morning anymore
May 18 07:42:47 <qwerty12> czr, same here hehe
May 18 07:42:58 <qwerty12> I count 8:42AM morning :p
May 18 07:43:07 <czr> 1043 here.
May 18 07:43:26 <czr> In the happy country of the Borg.
May 18 07:43:31 <qwerty12> Ah, I see. /me checks czr's country
May 18 07:45:54 * GeneralAntilles has permanent monkey-wrench protection.
May 18 07:48:14 <qwerty12> It expired a while ago, renew your subscription.
May 18 07:48:31 <czr> explains the number of monkeys on GA's yard
May 18 07:48:40 <GeneralAntilles> I have no yard!
May 18 07:48:43 <GeneralAntilles> Joke's on you.
May 18 07:48:46 * GeneralAntilles runs in circles.
May 18 07:48:50 * RST38h switched to this window and read "I expired a while ago"
May 18 07:48:52 * qwerty12 REALLY hates it when my fan in my computer whirs up when compiling
May 18 07:48:53 * czr runs in triangles
May 18 07:48:54 <RST38h> Umgh
May 18 07:49:04 * qwerty12 runs in squars
May 18 07:49:06 * KotCzarny yawns
May 18 07:49:07 <czr> qwerty12, pull it out!
May 18 07:49:18 <czr> damn I need some coffee.
May 18 07:49:30 <qwerty12> czr, We actually did that to a school computer once...
May 18 07:49:39 <czr> qwerty12, how did it end?
May 18 07:50:10 <qwerty12> Lots of parts were taken and it was running all night. I felt sorry for the technician who took it....
May 18 07:50:22 <czr> heh
May 18 07:50:34 <czr> I rarely meet people who do that on purpose ;-)
May 18 07:50:56 <qwerty12> Come to London
May 18 07:51:56 <czr> maybe someday. never visited london properly.
May 18 07:52:08 <czr> I'll take some cpu fans with me
May 18 07:52:39 <RST38h> ethanol is known to have pretty low evaporation point
May 18 07:52:43 <qwerty12> lol. I'd like to get out of London for a while, never been anywhere else except W.Yorkshire, North of UK.
May 18 07:53:10 <czr> I'm going to .jp next thu. la-la-la-la.
May 18 07:53:36 <czr> I wonder how many schoolgirls I can take back with me as hand-luggage
May 18 07:53:44 <qwerty12> My cousin is in Japan :D. I hear they have some super advanced weed
May 18 07:54:00 <czr> heh.
May 18 07:54:26 <qwerty12> This cracks me up about Japan's tech: http://wikitravel.org/en/Image:WirelessToiletControlPanel.jpg
May 18 07:54:37 <qwerty12> What says more than that.
May 18 07:54:49 <tank-man> are those breasts or balls?
May 18 07:54:56 <qwerty12> Forget a lever, these guys are pimpin up their toilets too
May 18 07:55:52 <czr> inginious
May 18 07:55:57 <czr> ingenious even
May 18 07:56:08 <czr> bleh. I  don't do english.
May 18 07:56:20 <GeneralAntilles> Evidently not. :P
May 18 07:56:47 <qwerty12> Nah den
May 18 07:56:51 <qwerty12> :P
May 18 07:58:20 <RST38h> so maybe you better take THAT...for liquid cooli
May 18 07:58:45 <RST38h> [shit, computer crashed between those two lines =)]
May 18 07:59:47 * KotCzarny didn't have computer crash in a long time
May 18 08:00:26 <RST38h> qwerty12: when you have got paper walls and a customary 5cm hole under each of your doors, and no heating except for a kerosene heater in one room, advancing toilets is all you have left to do
May 18 08:00:45 <qwerty12> hehe
May 18 08:00:49 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, the lies!
May 18 08:01:08 <RST38h> Kot: It is a hardware problem. Apparently, either HD cable is flaky or there is some dust shorting things out
May 18 08:01:10 <AStorm> I had an N810 crash... does that count?
May 18 08:01:17 <czr> heh RST38h
May 18 08:01:21 <patoh> AStorm: what did you do to it?
May 18 08:01:29 <qwerty12> My N800 is always crashing
May 18 08:01:31 <AStorm> launched camera proggy
May 18 08:01:41 <AStorm> it has 50% chance of crashing N810
May 18 08:01:45 <patoh> haha
May 18 08:01:59 <RST38h> never crashed my N810, but then I keep it in relatively virgin state
May 18 08:02:29 <AStorm> here, the WM tended to crash when I had powerwhatever installed
May 18 08:02:37 <AStorm> now it doesn't anymore
May 18 08:02:47 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, I think we can lay the blame for that squarely on you. :P ;)
May 18 08:03:34 <AStorm> ;D
May 18 08:03:35 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Hehe. ATM, my N800 has no hacks but application manager sends N800 into full cpu and mem.
May 18 08:03:43 <RST38h> All right this thing better not crash until iNES-Symbian distribution script finishes
May 18 08:03:53 <qwerty12> iNES-Symbian? BOO
May 18 08:04:04 <qwerty12> Actually, I have 2 symbian phones :/
May 18 08:04:11 <RST38h> See? =)
May 18 08:11:53 <acehighness> anyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?
May 18 08:11:57 * qwerty12 finally has Truecrypt 5.1 binary :). ARM emulation really sucks though : "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'TrueCrypt::TestFailed'
May 18 08:11:57 <qwerty12>   what():  TrueCrypt::PlatformTest::TestAll:202
May 18 08:11:57 <qwerty12> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268
May 18 08:11:57 <qwerty12> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238
May 18 08:11:57 <qwerty12> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 268
May 18 08:11:59 <qwerty12> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 238
May 18 08:12:01 <qwerty12> make[1]: *** [truecrypt] Error 127
May 18 08:12:03 <qwerty12> make: *** [all] Error 2
May 18 08:12:05 <qwerty12> "
May 18 08:12:08 <KotCzarny> upgrade your quemu
May 18 08:12:09 <qwerty12> Sorry.
May 18 08:12:12 <KotCzarny> to cvs version
May 18 08:12:26 <KotCzarny> you can select it when configuring target
May 18 08:12:32 <qwerty12> Ah, ok , thanks
May 18 08:12:39 <KotCzarny> or you can reconfigure target withour reinstalling everything
May 18 08:13:01 <KotCzarny> it's already installed, you have simply to select it
May 18 08:13:01 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 08:13:31 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: or use rsbh or something - make it run on the n8x0, that solves most emulation problems for me
May 18 08:13:43 <KotCzarny> yeah, that's another option
May 18 08:13:56 <Stskeeps> even if it increases compilation time ;)
May 18 08:13:57 <KotCzarny> installing dev toolchain on device :)
May 18 08:14:11 <Stskeeps> didn't even do that, it just NFS mounted my scratchbox binaries
May 18 08:14:22 <KotCzarny> well
May 18 08:14:24 <KotCzarny> i use sshfs
May 18 08:14:28 <qwerty12> I'll look into upgrading qemu :)
May 18 08:14:31 <KotCzarny> but idea remains the same
May 18 08:15:00 <acehighness> anyone here who can help me get Dosbox configured on my n810 ?.. i dont understand where i must find dosbox.conf on the filesystem
May 18 08:16:08 <qwerty12> Will the qemu-arm-eabi version be alright?
May 18 08:16:37 <solmumaha> acehighness: using pupnik's dosbox?
May 18 08:16:47 <KotCzarny> qwerty, do you install something or it's already installed?
May 18 08:17:06 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, Don't understand question :/
May 18 08:22:09 <KotCzarny> sb-conf st -t qemu-arm-cvs
May 18 08:22:11 <KotCzarny> or something
May 18 08:22:52 <KotCzarny> you can list them with: sb-conf ls -t *
May 18 08:23:59 <qwerty12> Ahh, I see. qemu-arm-cvs doesn't exist, I'll compile that.
May 18 08:24:03 <qwerty12> Thanks.
May 18 08:24:03 <infobot> qwerty12: my pleasure
May 18 08:24:11 <KotCzarny> don't compile..
May 18 08:24:16 <KotCzarny> it should be available
May 18 08:24:17 <qwerty12> infobot, not you, tosser
May 18 08:24:36 <KotCzarny> or you can get one from: http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/
May 18 08:24:37 <KotCzarny> :>
May 18 08:24:53 <qwerty12> Muahahaha, thanks
May 18 08:25:11 <KotCzarny> hrm
May 18 08:25:25 <KotCzarny> though i don't see qemu in that dir anymore
May 18 08:25:38 <KotCzarny> http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/testing/
May 18 08:25:42 <KotCzarny> maybe this one
May 18 08:25:52 <KotCzarny> anyway
May 18 08:25:59 <KotCzarny> i should be sleeping already
May 18 08:26:57 <patoh> does the N810 come with a chat client
May 18 08:27:00 <patoh> ?*
May 18 08:27:44 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
May 18 08:27:58 <GeneralAntilles> Jabber/Google Talk as bundled
May 18 08:28:08 <GeneralAntilles> More with 3rd party stuff and the beta release.
May 18 08:28:33 * qwerty12 finds it a shame rtcomm beta was never bundled with diablo
May 18 08:28:34 <RST38h> Surgical Robot Removes Calgary Woman's Brain
May 18 08:28:45 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, we're not there yet. :P
May 18 08:28:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/
May 18 08:28:49 <RST38h> Tumor
May 18 08:28:51 <KotCzarny> rst: is it good or bad?
May 18 08:28:55 <KotCzarny> ahm
May 18 08:28:56 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 08:28:58 <RST38h> Kot: heheh
May 18 08:29:20 <KotCzarny> any idea what causes 'LOC:      82430   Local timer interrupts' ?
May 18 08:29:28 * RST38h is using Pidgin anyway. RTComm just didn't feel right
May 18 08:30:20 <GeneralAntilles> Pidgin is so bad on the tablets.
May 18 08:30:30 <qwerty12> Agreed.
May 18 08:30:35 <RST38h> Works fine for me
May 18 08:30:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's just not set up for that environment.
May 18 08:30:39 <AStorm> isn't bad
May 18 08:30:40 <RST38h> Has got a few problems
May 18 08:30:45 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm works great for me.
May 18 08:30:47 <AStorm> minor problems, yes
May 18 08:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> and I don't have to think about it.
May 18 08:30:52 <AStorm> rtcomm has crummy ui
May 18 08:30:52 <qwerty12> Although I do like guifications
May 18 08:30:54 <RST38h> Mostly connection stuff
May 18 08:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> Pidgin just takes up space.
May 18 08:30:57 <AStorm> no real contacts list
May 18 08:31:21 <GeneralAntilles> I wish they'd fix Speed Contacts already.
May 18 08:31:28 <GeneralAntilles> I can't believe they fucked it up so bad in the first place.
May 18 08:31:39 <RST38h> RTComm not configurable enough, has non-functional contact list
May 18 08:31:47 <qwerty12> I can't believe the source is closed to such a shit applet anyway :/
May 18 08:31:59 <RST38h> GA: It can't be fucked up this much by negligence
May 18 08:31:59 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 18 08:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> Contacts list is fine.
May 18 08:32:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's called "Contacts" :P
May 18 08:32:14 <RST38h> This level of fucking-up requires extensive thought work
May 18 08:32:35 <qwerty12> Although I don't really use Pidgin much, here's why I like it: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1638&stc=1&d=1210421602 :p
May 18 08:32:43 <RST38h> So, my guess is, unless the change the person responsible for it, it will only become worse
May 18 08:33:05 <RST38h> You mean the little black things? I don't have them installed, alas
May 18 08:33:15 <qwerty12> Yeah :)
May 18 08:33:27 <qwerty12> It's good for keeping track without switching to pidgin
May 18 08:35:31 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: no, it's too hard to get to (the contact list)
May 18 08:35:40 <AStorm> and is a separate proggie which starts in 5s
May 18 08:35:48 <GeneralAntilles> Leave it open, then. :P
May 18 08:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> Like you leave Pidgin open. . . .
May 18 08:36:01 <GeneralAntilles> If they'd just fix Speed Contacts the issue would be moot, anyway.
May 18 08:36:38 <GeneralAntilles> Vote for my bug! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2288
May 18 08:36:57 <RST38h> GA: + make it possible to select font size
May 18 08:37:04 <RST38h> + do the same for @#^%$ rss applet
May 18 08:37:11 <acehighness> solmumaha: i was checking to see which one i have installed, i'm actually not sure anymore. are there different versions available ?
May 18 08:37:20 <GeneralAntilles> 1 request per bug. :P
May 18 08:37:28 <RST38h> + make rss applet show news without starting up web browser
May 18 08:37:30 <acehighness> i can find the executable in usr/bin
May 18 08:37:36 <acehighness> but no config file
May 18 08:37:50 <solmumaha> acehighness: don't think so :)
May 18 08:38:23 <solmumaha>  /usr/share/dosbox/dosbox.conf
May 18 08:38:29 <solmumaha> ?
May 18 08:38:36 <acehighness> i want to put drive mapping to my mmc card in the config file, as I cant seem to type the / character using the n810 keyboard in dosbox
May 18 08:38:46 <acehighness> ahh... thanks !
May 18 08:38:52 <qwerty12> RST38h, If you don't mind me asking, why will load-applet boost speed?
May 18 08:39:30 <solmumaha> acehighness: tried rubybox?
May 18 08:39:56 <acehighness> no i havent ... is the ruby platform big to install ?
May 18 08:40:07 <acehighness> i remember installing it on my n800 and it was huge
May 18 08:40:14 <acehighness> maybe im spacing
May 18 08:40:18 <acehighness> hehe
May 18 08:40:49 <acehighness> i guess it would save me a lot of hassle if it has a gui yeah
May 18 08:41:35 <solmumaha> acehighness: under 10 mb i guess
May 18 08:41:54 <acehighness> hmm no /dosbox under /usr/share
May 18 08:42:07 <solmumaha> but it makes using dosbox way easier
May 18 08:42:34 <AStorm> solmumaha: config command, use it
May 18 08:42:39 <AStorm> inside the dosbox
May 18 08:42:50 <acehighness> just 'config' ?
May 18 08:43:25 <acehighness> ah yes
May 18 08:43:28 <RST38h> qwerty: My speculation is, once emulator loads the cpu to 100% and makes applet update, its update mechanism somehow keeps the system from lowering cpu frequency
May 18 08:43:34 <acehighness> cool thanks AStorm
May 18 08:43:40 <solmumaha> acehighness: use the version from pupnik.de for os2008
May 18 08:43:47 <RST38h> qwerty: it may sound improbable but I have run out of other explanations
May 18 08:44:04 <qwerty12> RST38h, ahh :). Could be right, I dunno anything :)
May 18 08:44:06 <acehighness> ok im gonna remove and reinstall from there
May 18 08:44:20 <AStorm> I think dosbox will be too slow...
May 18 08:44:25 <AStorm> no dynamic CPU emulation yet
May 18 08:44:35 <AStorm> write one for ARM
May 18 08:44:36 <acehighness> its ok i wanna run slow stuff hehe
May 18 08:44:45 <qwerty12> can I use arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1 instead of cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5-arm for CHINOOK_ARMEL target fine?
May 18 08:44:47 <solmumaha> rubybox comes with a game downloader and online settings database
May 18 08:45:01 <acehighness> a game downloader ? wow
May 18 08:45:09 <KotCzarny> qwerty: create a new target for experiments
May 18 08:45:19 <AStorm> qwerty12: sure, you could
May 18 08:45:22 <KotCzarny> that way you can simply remove it later and use your old one
May 18 08:45:43 <qwerty12> Will do both :). I'll try it out on a new target 1st.
May 18 08:45:47 <acehighness> my application manager is messed up ... i cant read the names of the applications because the first column is only 3 chars wide
May 18 08:46:09 <acehighness> i guess it was the lcars theme crap i tried
May 18 08:46:11 <AStorm> acehighness: normal, it;s not messed up
May 18 08:46:22 <AStorm> it's that some version number is too long
May 18 08:46:37 <acehighness> ah
May 18 08:46:51 <acehighness> anyway to change the way it displays ?
May 18 08:47:13 <AStorm> impossible with the release version
May 18 08:47:18 <AStorm> SVN version has it fixed
May 18 08:47:33 <acehighness> hmm ok
May 18 08:50:12 <GeneralAntilles> It's fixed in Diablo, acehighness.
May 18 08:50:54 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: should I install Diablo? >_>
May 18 08:51:11 <qwerty12> I like Diablo except for MicroB
May 18 08:51:23 <qwerty12>  MicroB has gone down in Diablo
May 18 08:51:25 <acehighness> installed version from pupnik.de now
May 18 08:52:16 <acehighness> and i'll install rubybox while im at it
May 18 08:53:53 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, we haven't hit release yet.
May 18 08:54:00 <GeneralAntilles> We're probably still at least a month away. :P
May 18 08:54:05 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, meh.
May 18 08:54:17 <GeneralAntilles> I really, REALLY like the finger keyboard improvements.
May 18 08:54:27 <GeneralAntilles> But MicroB is in a weak state in the current release
May 18 08:54:32 <Veggen> qwerty: ugh. And I hate microB for being a memory pig already before Diablo...
May 18 08:54:43 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I can't stop myself from installing stuff like this. ;)
May 18 08:54:50 <GeneralAntilles> Veggen, it can only get better.
May 18 08:55:00 <Veggen> GA: I hope so :)
May 18 08:55:04 <GeneralAntilles> They didn't have time to merge trunk for Diablo
May 18 08:55:08 <solmumaha> acehighness: remember to register to get the most out of it
May 18 08:55:11 <GeneralAntilles> It's on track for Diablo+1
May 18 08:55:41 <GeneralAntilles> and looking at the improvements from Firefox 3 alpha 1 to now it's going to be a doozie.
May 18 09:01:51 <acehighness> i obviously had the wrong dosbox installed
May 18 09:02:01 <gourdin> hi there
May 18 09:02:03 <acehighness> this one indeed automounts 'dos' folders on the mmc card
May 18 09:03:31 <acehighness> ok this roxx
May 18 09:03:39 <gourdin> can we enlarge fonts only in the browser ?
May 18 09:03:54 <gourdin> zooming the images is toobslow
May 18 09:03:56 <Veggen> GA: Ah, but of course someone could compile trunk themselves?
May 18 09:04:11 <GeneralAntilles> Navi compiled the svn from a few weeks ago.
May 18 09:04:51 <GeneralAntilles> Which is already looking quite a bit better than Chinook MicroB (scrolling is at better-than-Opera levels)
May 18 09:07:47 <gourdin> is this a place to ask maemo browser questions ? :)
May 18 09:08:28 <GeneralAntilles> This is anything and everything maemo.
May 18 09:08:33 <GeneralAntilles> and a lot of things that aren't, too. ;)
May 18 09:08:42 <gourdin> :)
May 18 09:09:29 <gourdin> when can we hope a ff3 version of microb ?
May 18 09:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> We have one now.
May 18 09:09:52 <gourdin> ??
May 18 09:09:55 <KotCzarny> gourdin: ever checked ua string?
May 18 09:10:02 <gourdin> fennec ?
May 18 09:10:02 <AStorm> it's old FF3
May 18 09:10:04 <AStorm> buggy one
May 18 09:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> Alpha 1
May 18 09:10:11 <GeneralAntilles> But FF3 all the same.
May 18 09:10:17 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be merged with trunk by Diablo+1
May 18 09:10:18 <AStorm> we need one based on recent RC
May 18 09:10:25 <AStorm> ...
May 18 09:10:26 <gourdin> KotCzarny: ua strings ?
May 18 09:10:32 <AStorm> which means after Fx3 release?
May 18 09:10:32 <KotCzarny> user agent
May 18 09:11:03 <gourdin> KotCzarny: yup
May 18 09:11:13 <patoh> how mature is Diablo?
May 18 09:11:30 <patoh> sorry, stable :P
May 18 09:11:35 <gourdin> GeneralAntilles: diablo ?
May 18 09:11:37 <GeneralAntilles> It's still a month or two from releaes.
May 18 09:11:45 <GeneralAntilles> s/releaes/release/
May 18 09:11:45 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: It's still a month or two from release.
May 18 09:11:54 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 18 09:12:03 <KotCzarny> wasn't it meant for Q2 2008 ?
May 18 09:12:08 <AStorm> ;>
May 18 09:12:33 <forge> I would imagine them releasing it along with the wimax edition of hw
May 18 09:12:50 <GeneralAntilles> July 9th is the supposed date for N810W
May 18 09:12:56 <GeneralAntilles> So it'll be around then or sooner.
May 18 09:13:00 <forge> YEah
May 18 09:13:10 <GeneralAntilles> For small values of two months. ;)
May 18 09:14:01 <KotCzarny> http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3095
May 18 09:14:13 <KotCzarny> wii controller fun..
May 18 09:14:13 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:14:22 <gourdin> diablo is the next os name ?
May 18 09:14:24 <KotCzarny> looks shopped though
May 18 09:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> Next OS2008 version, name.
May 18 09:14:34 <forge> No kidding it's shopped ?
May 18 09:14:37 <GeneralAntilles> maemo 4.1
May 18 09:14:44 <KotCzarny> but idea is nice ;)
May 18 09:19:17 <gourdin> why can t we just enlarge fonts in tghe browser, it should be less cpu consuming, some sites are unwatchable because lots of jpegs
May 18 09:19:40 <GeneralAntilles> Do so
May 18 09:19:41 <AStorm> gourdin: there is an option for that, probably
May 18 09:19:48 <GeneralAntilles> There are plenty of tutorials covering it.
May 18 09:19:50 <AStorm> and you can use your own style sheet
May 18 09:20:03 <Blafasel> Hmm.. I like the idea of using WiMax more and more, to be honest.
May 18 09:20:06 <KotCzarny> and you can use regular about:config tricks
May 18 09:20:40 <AStorm> I like it too, but there will be none here for a long time
May 18 09:20:57 <qwerty12> 3G phone works for me
May 18 09:21:05 <KotCzarny> dsl works for me
May 18 09:21:51 <patoh> there there a maemo themes website?
May 18 09:21:59 <Blafasel> AStorm: Yeah, not sure about this location. I know that there are some providers here
May 18 09:22:22 <Blafasel> And regarding the UMTS phone: Thanks a lot to the guy in here that brought the E51 to my attention ;) I love it so far.
May 18 09:22:52 <AStorm> E51 is too large for me
May 18 09:23:05 <qwerty12> I'm waiting for N96. I'll be able to replace my P1 and N80. And probably W810 :/
May 18 09:23:08 <AStorm> any other nice small HSDPA phone?
May 18 09:23:14 <qwerty12> But I love the Bass on my W810
May 18 09:23:16 <gourdin> KotCzarny: i m just saying adding an option in the menu woudnt hurt annyone :)
May 18 09:23:18 <AStorm> N96 is too large too
May 18 09:23:40 <qwerty12> I carry N800 & N80. Size is no problem for me.
May 18 09:23:46 <Blafasel> AStorm: I went for it because it doesn't have a camera and is quite/very thin
May 18 09:23:49 <AStorm> carry where?
May 18 09:23:56 <AStorm> not that thin
May 18 09:24:06 <AStorm> and camera may be useful
May 18 09:24:11 <qwerty12> to school :/
May 18 09:24:22 <AStorm> but where? in a pocket?
May 18 09:24:29 <qwerty12> Yeah
May 18 09:24:38 <gourdin> AStorm: i don t find the option ;)
May 18 09:24:41 <AStorm> I hope not in the pants?
May 18 09:24:41 <Blafasel> Hmm.. Everything's relative, I guess. I didn't want a camera for sure and never had a slimmer phone. Motorola's series might be slimmer, but I don't know good 3g phones there.
May 18 09:24:50 <qwerty12> Moto's suck
May 18 09:24:58 <glass> n95 fits my pants pockets nicely, 770 not so nicely
May 18 09:25:02 <AStorm> well, yep, they do
May 18 09:25:07 <AStorm> N810 is a bit large already
May 18 09:25:38 <AStorm> my ID cards take too much space already
May 18 09:25:47 <acehighness> n810 is ok in my pocket
May 18 09:25:58 <AStorm> it is ok
May 18 09:26:02 <acehighness> better then the n800 was
May 18 09:26:05 <AStorm> but it takes a whole pocket
May 18 09:26:19 <KotCzarny> astorm: carry a backpack?
May 18 09:26:19 <acehighness> yeah you need a dedicated pocket hehe
May 18 09:26:20 <AStorm> it could've been slimmer, looking at the design
May 18 09:26:25 <Blafasel> Hmm.. Wearing baggy style trousers I have no problems with space ;)
May 18 09:26:28 <AStorm> KotCzarny: yeah, sure, as if I want to
May 18 09:26:46 <gourdin> GeneralAntilles: you say there are plenty of tuts ? can you point me on one of it ? i m googling and am out of luck...
May 18 09:26:52 * KotCzarny carries a backpack all the time
May 18 09:27:19 <AStorm> KotCzarny: thus, you fail the hip test? ;P
May 18 09:27:32 <KotCzarny> i'm me
May 18 09:27:39 <KotCzarny> i don't need no stinkin' tests :P
May 18 09:27:53 <AStorm> you don't need them, but other people test you all the time
May 18 09:27:56 <AStorm> thus, you fail ;D
May 18 09:28:01 <KotCzarny> nope
May 18 09:28:03 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:28:12 <AStorm> oh, sure
May 18 09:28:19 <KotCzarny> sidestepping is better word
May 18 09:29:49 <GeneralAntilles> gourdin, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18333
May 18 09:29:49 <KotCzarny> hah, hpet=force
May 18 09:30:51 <gourdin> GeneralAntilles: thx !
May 18 09:30:51 <AStorm> uhm, N810 doesn't have a HPET?
May 18 09:30:59 <KotCzarny> don't know
May 18 09:31:03 <AStorm> it doesn't
May 18 09:31:05 <KotCzarny> but my laptop does
May 18 09:31:12 <AStorm> yes, laptop should have one
May 18 09:31:24 <KotCzarny> not necessarily
May 18 09:31:25 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:31:27 <AStorm> some have these uninited
May 18 09:31:41 <AStorm> because BIOS is written by Chinese contractors
May 18 09:31:45 <KotCzarny> yes, ich[34] needs force enabling
May 18 09:32:25 <qwerty12> I'm surprised the BIOS hasn't been cloned yet.
May 18 09:32:40 <AStorm> qwerty12: LinuxBIOS?
May 18 09:32:46 <AStorm> you know, it's hard work
May 18 09:32:50 <qwerty12> Nah, a Chinese clone
May 18 09:33:10 <AStorm> they're bound by NDA
May 18 09:33:20 <AStorm> and each mainboard is slightly different
May 18 09:36:33 <KotCzarny> http://www.revver.com/video/719432/etch-a-sketch-clock/
May 18 09:36:34 <KotCzarny> :>
May 18 09:36:42 <AStorm> blah blalh
May 18 09:37:01 <AStorm> ok, I'll have to hack maemopad+ to not gobble RAM
May 18 09:37:10 <AStorm> and to allow resizing of the drawing pad
May 18 09:37:12 <qwerty12> Yum. RAM.
May 18 09:37:17 <AStorm> ;P
May 18 09:37:56 <LoCusF> anyone remember the free upload site url where one could upload IT stuff?
May 18 09:38:10 <LoCusF> afaik it was is ITT somewhere
May 18 09:40:51 <acehighness> what is the name of the actual browser in maemo ?
May 18 09:40:58 <qwerty12> MicroB
May 18 09:40:58 <LoCusF> browser
May 18 09:41:10 <qwerty12> oh, command line
May 18 09:41:24 <acehighness> nah i just meant what browser is it
May 18 09:41:25 <AStorm> KotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools for me?
May 18 09:41:30 <LoCusF> oh ok
May 18 09:41:37 <AStorm> s/tools /tools package/
May 18 09:41:37 <infobot> AStorm meant: KotCzarny: do you have a working btrfs-tools packagefor me?
May 18 09:41:42 <KotCzarny> astorm: i thought someone else compiled it for you
May 18 09:41:44 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:41:46 <AStorm> infobot: you suck
May 18 09:41:47 <infobot> and very well I might add
May 18 09:42:02 <qwerty12> infobot, you suck ****
May 18 09:42:14 <qwerty12> "and very well I might add"
May 18 09:42:18 <AStorm> KotCzarny: which hanged
May 18 09:42:19 <qwerty12> hehehe, quick cheap laugh
May 18 09:42:46 <KotCzarny> heh
May 18 09:43:01 <KotCzarny> didn't traced further conversation then
May 18 09:43:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:43:05 <gourdin> i can t empty microb cache
May 18 09:43:15 <AStorm> gourdin: it's memory cache
May 18 09:43:21 <gourdin> where are the files so i can
May 18 09:43:22 <AStorm> just restart it
May 18 09:43:34 <AStorm> there's no disk cache
May 18 09:43:50 <gourdin> about:config takes forever, it ok ?
May 18 09:43:51 <Blafasel> Or don't watch porn on it in the first place
May 18 09:43:55 <qwerty12> lol
May 18 09:44:18 <gourdin> Blafasel: i m trying i m trying :)
May 18 09:44:37 <KotCzarny> enabling swap could help too
May 18 09:44:38 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 09:44:50 <qwerty12> To stop watching porn?
May 18 09:45:27 <KotCzarny> qwerty: i think the only sure way is castration
May 18 09:45:28 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 09:45:36 <qwerty12> lmao
May 18 09:45:38 <AStorm> KotCzarny: so build me one
May 18 09:45:39 <qwerty12> painful
May 18 09:45:43 <AStorm> might be a tar.gz
May 18 09:45:54 <KotCzarny> qwerty: there are painless methods, you know
May 18 09:46:03 <KotCzarny> bricks are so XIX century
May 18 09:46:03 <qwerty12> I wouldn't ;)
May 18 09:46:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 09:46:04 <AStorm> bbl
May 18 09:46:33 <gourdin> about:config freeze microb !
May 18 09:47:00 <GeneralAntilles> Something's wrong, then, gourdin.
May 18 09:48:07 <gourdin> all of this only to enlarge penHHHfonts...
May 18 09:48:32 <gourdin> GeneralAntilles: i agree :)
May 18 09:48:52 <KotCzarny> well, magnifying glass could do that in realtime
May 18 09:48:58 <KotCzarny> high fps, low cpu usage
May 18 09:50:48 <gourdin> hey, wtf, i blanked the start page, microb starts on home.html
May 18 09:52:11 <LoCusF> I disabled the scrollbar via gconf in osso-xterm, how can I get it back again :) ?
May 18 09:52:44 <qwerty12> If you use osso-xterm svn, it has option. or you can set option again.
May 18 09:53:09 <LoCusF> don't have that
May 18 09:53:29 <qwerty12> While you are there, mind dumping me /apps/osso/xterm/key_labels and /apps/osso/xterm/keys ? :D
May 18 09:53:34 <qwerty12> I'll take a look for scrollbar option
May 18 09:53:44 <LoCusF> umm wait a moment
May 18 09:54:02 <LoCusF> I can't dump the entire thing since I don't have the scrollbar :)
May 18 09:54:12 <qwerty12> setting /apps/osso/xterm/scrollbar should do it
May 18 09:54:13 <qwerty12> :)
May 18 09:55:32 <gourdin> typing browser about:blank in term lauch microb on home;hmlt (startpage is blaanked in config) why ?
May 18 09:55:48 <LoCusF> qwerty12: thanks, got it
May 18 09:56:07 <qwerty12> Cool :)
May 18 09:56:29 <gourdin> does nokia really sell this to me ? ;)
May 18 09:57:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's irritating and stupid
May 18 09:57:22 <GeneralAntilles> More UI spec nonsense, gourdin.
May 18 09:57:22 <LoCusF> qwerty12: my key_labels and keys are nondefault?
May 18 09:57:29 <Jaffa> Really fscking irritating and stupid.
May 18 09:57:54 <qwerty12> LoCusF, No problems, I just need at least the defaults :). I messed mine up installing .13 in diablo.
May 18 09:58:07 <LoCusF> qwerty12: oh ok
May 18 09:58:14 <gourdin> ok, i cant goto about:config
May 18 09:58:52 <acehighness> http://www.portability.nl/internet-tablet-family/guides/how-to-set-the-default-font-size-in-your-browser.html
May 18 09:58:53 <LoCusF> qwerty12: [<alt>a,<alt>2,Tab,Page_Up,Page_Down,Home,End] = keys
May 18 09:58:56 <gourdin> is there another way to edit microb confib ?
May 18 09:59:00 <acehighness> but i think it says the same thing
May 18 09:59:13 <qwerty12> LoCusF, Many thanks
May 18 09:59:21 <LoCusF> np :)
May 18 09:59:27 <gourdin> whats irritating ?
May 18 10:00:13 <rm_you> the current lack of johnx is depressing
May 18 10:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> UI spec, gourdin.
May 18 10:00:49 <gourdin> 'k
May 18 10:00:58 <rm_you> also, that my server/buildbox is in a fedex truck currently
May 18 10:01:07 <GeneralAntilles> Poor rm_you.
May 18 10:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> Always suffering.
May 18 10:01:11 <rm_you> >_>
May 18 10:01:15 <rm_you> i am
May 18 10:01:26 <rm_you> ALWAYS >_<
May 18 10:01:41 * rm_you suffers loudly in a corner
May 18 10:01:42 <KotCzarny> If not time-travel, other exciting thing produced by LHC may be:
May 18 10:01:43 <KotCzarny> The end of the world as we know it
May 18 10:01:45 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 18 10:01:49 <KotCzarny> don't worry
May 18 10:01:52 <KotCzarny> take your time
May 18 10:01:53 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 10:02:12 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 18 10:02:27 * GeneralAntilles idly throws pieces of garbage at rm_you.
May 18 10:02:42 <rm_you> bah
May 18 10:03:03 <rm_you> i actually dont WANT to go home for summer break really <_<
May 18 10:03:08 <rm_you> it's such a hassle
May 18 10:03:18 <KotCzarny> rm_you: then go on a vacations in .fi
May 18 10:03:19 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 10:03:25 <rm_you> lol
May 18 10:03:31 <rm_you> i wanted to try to hit up linuxtag
May 18 10:03:38 <rm_you> but i couldnt quite get the money together
May 18 10:03:52 <rm_you> plus i realized i would then not have anything left for the rest of summer :P
May 18 10:04:39 <rm_you> so, anyone used hostgator.com for hosting?
May 18 10:04:48 <rm_you> i'm trying it out... so far it seems ridiculous
May 18 10:04:52 * KotCzarny uses his laptop for hosting
May 18 10:05:19 * qwerty12 can tell
May 18 10:05:53 <qwerty12> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39418766,00.htm
May 18 10:05:55 <qwerty12> Sounds fun
May 18 10:06:11 <rm_you> $9.95 a month for 600GB of space and 6000GB of bandwidth
May 18 10:06:31 <rm_you> does that seem entirely ridiculous to anyone else?
May 18 10:06:44 <KotCzarny> well
May 18 10:06:52 <rm_you> like... it's not even in the same order of magnitude as any other hosting i've seen for that price
May 18 10:06:52 <KotCzarny> it doesn't say anything about server speed
May 18 10:06:53 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 10:07:00 <rm_you> it seems fast
May 18 10:07:23 <KotCzarny> then try looking for small print
May 18 10:07:40 <rm_you> was hoping someone else would have experience/thoughts about it
May 18 10:07:46 <rm_you> didn't see any >_>
May 18 10:07:56 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 10:08:36 <rm_you> well whatev
May 18 10:08:39 <KotCzarny> ok
May 18 10:08:43 <KotCzarny> bed time, night people
May 18 10:08:46 <acehighness> all cheap hosting are ripoiffs
May 18 10:08:50 <qwerty12> night
May 18 10:08:50 <rm_you> i got my first month free with some promotion code, so if i dont like it, nothing lost
May 18 10:08:51 <acehighness> ripoffs even
May 18 10:08:56 <rm_you> night
May 18 10:14:51 <lardman> oooo, exciting, output data :)
May 18 10:16:22 <qwerty12> So, has anyone tried upstart on N800? I've built a binary, lets see if it works...
May 18 10:16:36 <rm_you> lardman: ??
May 18 10:16:40 <rm_you> on what?
May 18 10:16:47 <rm_you> I hope DSP-SBC :P
May 18 10:16:52 <lardman> yep
May 18 10:16:59 * rm_you dances
May 18 10:17:06 <lardman> need to compile the encoder on x86 and compare the output
May 18 10:17:16 <rm_you> i wish i could buy you dinner :P
May 18 10:17:20 <lardman> still producing a bus error at the end, so not quite ready
May 18 10:17:31 <qwerty12> WOAH. This will be great :)
May 18 10:18:21 <lardman> just because it's output something, doesn't mean to say it#s the right something of course!
May 18 10:18:37 <rm_you> see, i greatly overestimated the difficulty rating of this project...
May 18 10:18:42 * lardman attempts to control expectations
May 18 10:18:51 <rm_you> it never occurred to me to just convert the x86 SBC encoder :P
May 18 10:19:04 <rm_you> i was always thinking about writing it from scratch, lol
May 18 10:19:11 <rm_you> which would require a LOT of research :P
May 18 10:19:24 <lardman> yeah, definitely go from existing code
May 18 10:21:30 <qwerty12> Ok, wish me luck. I'm gonna install upstart :/
May 18 10:24:43 <LoCusF> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=182911#post182911
May 18 10:24:51 <qwerty12> Just saw, nice job :)
May 18 10:25:00 <LoCusF> thanks :)
May 18 10:25:00 <infobot> pas de quoi, LoCusF
May 18 10:25:09 <LoCusF> wtf
May 18 10:25:24 <qwerty12> For me : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182899&postcount=57 & http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20168 :D
May 18 10:26:51 <qwerty12> WOAH
May 18 10:27:19 <qwerty12> My N800 boots a shit load faster with upstart#
May 18 10:28:24 <Stskeeps> on debian or maemo?
May 18 10:28:44 <qwerty12> Doesn't like being shut down though.
May 18 10:28:46 <qwerty12> maemo
May 18 10:29:57 <qwerty12> I need to set up fb_update_mode again and see the problem
May 18 10:33:25 <lardman> hmm, sbcenc segfaults when compiled on x86
May 18 10:33:26 <qwerty12> I'll try initng now.
May 18 10:34:53 <lardman> ah, much better, I'd #defined VERSION as an fp number (to get around my lack of a Makefile)
May 18 10:35:56 * lardman reports that the outputs don't match
May 18 10:36:04 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, remember that locking bug where after a while you couldn't unlock the device because it didn't see the center dpad click?
May 18 10:36:16 <qwerty12> Yes :)
May 18 10:36:23 <GeneralAntilles> Have you noticed it in Diablo yet?
May 18 10:36:34 <qwerty12> No, all my unlocks have been successful.
May 18 10:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> Good
May 18 10:36:41 <GeneralAntilles> I just did 30 of them in a row
May 18 10:36:43 <GeneralAntilles> No troubles.
May 18 10:36:51 <qwerty12> hehe
May 18 10:37:42 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, good, the bugs have already been resolved.
May 18 10:39:17 * GeneralAntilles is trudging through the UNCONFIRMED bugs . . .
May 18 10:41:10 * lardman spots a small hinderance, 73byte chunks are written in sbc format every time
May 18 10:41:32 <lardman> Need to make sure odd numbers of bytes can be written correctly
May 18 10:46:35 <user__> wow hi
May 18 10:47:09 <user__> anyone here
May 18 10:47:27 <GeneralAntilles> Only the zombies.
May 18 10:47:33 <GeneralAntilles> |o|
May 18 10:49:05 <woodong50> yesterday i knew how to watch no incoding
May 18 10:49:48 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, did you happen to restore a Chinook backup into Diablo?
May 18 10:50:27 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, No. Clean start
May 18 10:50:37 <GeneralAntilles> I'm wondering if a backup will un-disable Extras now.
May 18 10:50:42 <GeneralAntilles> *restoring a
May 18 10:50:47 <woodong50> diablo game?
May 18 10:51:02 <GeneralAntilles> No, Diablo being Chinook+1
May 18 10:51:11 <woodong50> ok
May 18 10:52:52 <woodong50> does n8x0 support mms://?
May 18 10:53:39 <woodong50> streaming address mms://
May 18 10:53:54 <lardman> mplayer does iirc
May 18 10:54:09 <woodong50> iirc?
May 18 10:54:12 <lardman> this is for video/audio streaming?
May 18 10:54:19 <woodong50> ok
May 18 10:54:33 <lardman> ~iirc
May 18 10:54:34 <infobot> rumour has it, iirc is "if I recall correctly"
May 18 10:55:01 <woodong50> iirc appl?
May 18 10:56:09 <lardman> actually, is mms for windows media player?
May 18 10:56:57 <woodong50> probably
May 18 10:57:54 <lardman> I'll just go back to sleep
May 18 10:58:04 <lardman> anyone else want to answer who knows?
May 18 10:58:08 <woodong50> bye
May 18 10:58:44 <woodong50> what is your time
May 18 10:59:14 <lardman> it was a figure of speech, it's 12 noon here
May 18 11:01:51 * qwerty12 loves beryl with java 8-)
May 18 11:15:12 <GeneralAntilles> Alright, there's 12 bugs actioned.
May 18 12:39:39 <disq> gah. by the time i notice the diablo thread the diablo updates dir is restricted again
May 18 12:40:04 <qwerty12_N800> There are ways 2 get password
May 18 12:40:16 <qwerty12_N800> I was 1st one to do it :p
May 18 12:42:04 <GAN800> qwerty the braggart.. . . . ;p
May 18 12:42:06 <disq> i better start reading the irclogs for clues then
May 18 12:42:25 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, Naturally :p
May 18 12:42:36 <qwerty12_N800> disq, read the thread ;)
May 18 12:44:09 <disq> oh ok
May 18 12:45:15 <RST38h> Does OS2008 save coredumps somewhere?
May 18 12:45:24 <GAN800> On the card
May 18 12:45:27 <RST38h> (and if it does, is it possible to do a postmortem on one?
May 18 12:45:33 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, Make folder on card
May 18 12:45:47 <GAN800> disq, apt source.
May 18 12:45:48 <qwerty12_N800> mkdir  /media/mmc1/core-dumps
May 18 12:46:38 <qwerty12_N800> Or install NITRO. Coredumps are enabled at initfs time.
May 18 12:47:35 <Jaffa> disq: ditto, I've decided not to bother with the hackery
May 18 12:47:56 <GAN800> Jaffa iz boring
May 18 12:48:07 * Jaffa slaps GAN800 
May 18 12:48:33 <qwerty12_N800> El Diablo blows Jaffa away
May 18 12:48:41 <GAN800> Hehe
May 18 12:50:31 * Jaffa doesn't want to lose his navicore changes before he goes on holiday
May 18 12:57:38 <GeneralAntilles> This bug catches me off guard and cracks me up everytime I see it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2368
May 18 12:58:00 <qwerty12_N800> lmao
May 18 12:58:09 <practisevoodoo>   does anything in the internet calls prog support video calls?
May 18 12:58:16 <qwerty12_N800> I'm voting :p
May 18 12:58:51 <GeneralAntilles> My favorite bug ever.
May 18 12:59:04 <GeneralAntilles> practisevoodoo, tablet-to-tablet with Google Talk
May 18 12:59:19 <RST38h> Hoho, SlideRule runs! Almost fully!
May 18 12:59:38 <RST38h> Controls work, graphics draw, derivatives get computed!
May 18 12:59:38 <practisevoodoo> only tablet to tablet?
May 18 12:59:46 <qwerty12_N800> SlideRule?
May 18 12:59:53 <GeneralAntilles> Use Gizmo or aMSN for tablet-pc
May 18 13:00:03 <practisevoodoo> thats just stupid
May 18 13:00:11 <GeneralAntilles> meh
May 18 13:01:07 <disq> qwerty12_N800: ooh. found the diff
May 18 13:01:16 <qwerty12_N800> Nice :)
May 18 13:01:19 <felipec> why not telepathy-haze?
May 18 13:01:25 <felipec> for msn
May 18 13:02:09 <RST38h> qwerty: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/
May 18 13:02:30 <qwerty12_N800> Nice! :)
May 18 13:02:36 <GeneralAntilles> felipec, do it do video?
May 18 13:02:43 <GeneralAntilles> s/do/does/
May 18 13:02:43 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: felipec, does it do video?
May 18 13:03:12 <felipec> GeneralAntilles: not yet
May 18 13:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> Then there's your answer. :P
May 18 13:06:26 <felipec> GeneralAntilles: so you prefer something ugly, slow and destined to die (aMSN)?
May 18 13:06:36 <GeneralAntilles> No
May 18 13:06:39 <GeneralAntilles> It supports video
May 18 13:06:40 <disq> pfft. first i have to revert the xserver and stuff
May 18 13:06:48 <GeneralAntilles> He wanted something to do tablet-pc video.
May 18 13:06:53 <GeneralAntilles> So I gave him his options.
May 18 13:07:08 <GeneralAntilles> If telepathy-haze support MSN video I would of answered with that.
May 18 13:07:31 <felipec> GeneralAntilles: ahh, does it really works? amsn on tablet-pc?
May 18 13:07:43 <GeneralAntilles> So far as I've been informed.
May 18 13:07:49 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't tested it myself.
May 18 13:10:50 <x1alpha> Hello is it possible to have a "normal" gnome desktop on maemo ?
May 18 13:11:10 <Jaffa> Possible? Yes. Done? NAFAIK. KDE3's been done, though.
May 18 13:12:43 <x1alpha> Thanks jaffa :) yep i managed to find howto's for kde on google but not gnome.
May 18 13:12:43 <infobot> x1alpha: pas de quoi
May 18 13:12:46 <GeneralAntilles> XFCE, IceWM and others, too.
May 18 13:19:21 * qwerty12_N800 wants black theme for os2008 that isn't fugly as  lcars :/
May 18 13:21:29 <patoh> qwerty12_N800: tried writing one?
May 18 13:21:42 <patoh> basing it off a fugly black theme
May 18 13:21:43 <LoCusF> hmm I found something out, if you are in a shell in /media/mmc1, ie. one's cwd is that directory, then the unmounting of mmc1 isn't correctly done and when you re-insert the card it complains about corruptidness. So just cd out of the directory in shell and re-insert the card to get it working again
May 18 13:21:46 <patoh> and improving it
May 18 13:21:47 <qwerty12_N800> Have no art skills
May 18 13:22:05 <patoh> qwerty12_N800: its only colours ;)
May 18 13:22:24 <patoh> most image parts can be borrowed from other themes
May 18 13:22:34 <patoh> as long as they are GPL and you thank the author :)
May 18 13:22:44 <GeneralAntilles> Find a stick and start prodding konttori with it. :P
May 18 13:23:09 <patoh> that also works ;)
May 18 13:23:29 * qwerty12_N800 steals GeneralAntilles's stick and prods konttori with it
May 18 13:36:21 <lopz> morning
May 18 13:44:35 <RST38h> qwerty: A Dr. Who theme! The official British answer to LCARS theme!
May 18 13:45:08 <patoh> LCARS?
May 18 13:45:19 <GAN800> google it
May 18 13:45:26 <GAN800> lcars maemo
May 18 13:47:40 <pupnik> that's fitting, as the tablets are 'bigger inside than out'
May 18 13:48:51 <patoh> haha
May 18 13:50:34 <RST38h> pupnik: weird, but I am also getting this feeling every now and then
May 18 13:50:51 <RST38h> it does not occur with PC-based UMPS though.
May 18 13:52:41 <RST38h> http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/18/asus-and-msi-have-some-splaining-to-do/  <--- hehehehehe
May 18 13:52:51 <johnx> yeah, saw that just now
May 18 13:52:54 <crashanddie> hehe, a Dr. Who theme...
May 18 13:53:51 <johnx> RST38h, stuff like that happens all the time, but it's hilarious when 2 companies copy the same pic
May 18 13:54:20 <RST38h> to market identical products too
May 18 14:00:59 <qwerty12_N800> Got a quick q, is it alright  if I delete ~/.mozilla folder?
May 18 14:01:15 <johnx> probably
May 18 14:01:20 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, you'll lose all your settings
May 18 14:01:26 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, but yeah, shouldn't be too bad
May 18 14:01:26 <johnx> If I were you I would just mv .mozilla .mozilla.bak
May 18 14:01:35 <qwerty12_N800> I know :), thanks
May 18 14:02:35 <RST38h> it will get recreated
May 18 14:11:52 <_freelikegnu> RST38h: Dr Who theme? hmm I do think I want to fasten a toiled plunger to my NIT ;-)
May 18 14:35:33 <Jaffa> The Daily Mail is hilarious: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879
May 18 14:36:17 <qwerty12_N800> Emo's are stupid anyway
May 18 14:36:25 <johnx> this is why I'm against ties
May 18 14:36:47 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: most ppl are stupid, Daily Mail readers doubly so.
May 18 14:37:04 <RST38h> Evil Emo Cult!
May 18 14:37:23 <johnx> People are ignoring the root cause here: ties!
May 18 14:37:35 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa, hehe. I just read the bbc news.
May 18 14:37:37 <johnx> I call for an immediate ban
May 18 14:37:51 * RST38h remembers a quote from bash.org "Me and my brother went mugging emos last night -- So, how did it go? -- Well, I lost a tooth and he got a rib broken"
May 18 14:38:19 <patoh> RST38h: well they all want to die, so they love a good fight ;)
May 18 14:38:54 <RST38h> Why hasn't anybody noticed a link between emos and bin Laden/
May 18 14:39:02 <patoh> because his not a folder...
May 18 14:39:05 <johnx> nah, that emus
May 18 14:39:09 <johnx> can't trust those things...
May 18 14:39:11 <RST38h> Both emos and muslim terorrists want to die!
May 18 14:39:22 <patoh> haha
May 18 14:39:33 <Jaffa> Quick, send anyone who wears black to Gitmo.
May 18 14:39:43 <patoh> I can't think of an non racist comparson
May 18 14:39:44 * Jaffa checks: phew, mostly blue today
May 18 14:40:03 <johnx> Jaffa, yeah that would be a lot of people wearing suits
May 18 14:40:14 <Jaffa> Oh no! Tomorrow I turn emo
May 18 14:40:24 <Jaffa> ...and there is a tie involved. Suspicious.
May 18 14:40:26 <patoh> emo's have _thin_ ties
May 18 14:40:33 <johnx> Jaffa, no, don't do it!
May 18 14:40:38 <patoh> not normal _pimp'n_ ties
May 18 14:40:40 <johnx> at least tell me you don't have bunk beds
May 18 14:41:18 <Jaffa> johnx: but I feel so unloved what with only a single wife and child, and a good job, and a nice house. I wanna go the black parade that is... the London Underground.
May 18 14:41:29 <aquatix> ``Emos like guitar-based rock with emotional lyrics. ''
May 18 14:41:40 <Jaffa> johnx: we've practically got bunk desks at work, TBH :-(
May 18 14:41:43 <patoh> that is an awesome quote
May 18 14:41:56 <johnx> Jaffa, is it like a sleepover all the time? Do you talk about girls?
May 18 14:42:08 <aquatix> that kind of describes half the population, music-taste wise
May 18 14:42:13 <Jaffa> johnx: Mostly not, no.
May 18 14:42:25 <johnx> ah, nevermind then.
May 18 14:42:30 <johnx> I was almost jealous for a bit
May 18 14:42:48 <Jaffa> I wouldn't be. My colleagues are all emos (it'd appear)
May 18 14:43:01 * johnx just came back from being emo...but hung up his tie *after* he took it off
May 18 14:43:08 <Jaffa> heh
May 18 14:43:25 <patoh> johnx: that could have been a close one ;)
May 18 14:43:49 * aquatix is tied to his desk chair, does that count?
May 18 14:43:49 <johnx> luckily I keep this handy cheat-sheet by my closet
May 18 14:44:04 <johnx> 1. Take off tie, 2. Hang up tie
May 18 14:44:10 * Jaffa goes to mow the lawn. I'll feel very upset about all the blades of grass being crushed under the blades.
May 18 14:44:24 <aquatix> wtf, Blink 182 is popular with emo's?
May 18 14:44:36 <aquatix> Jaffa: have fun crushing
May 18 14:44:48 <aquatix> gotta love the smell of their decaying bodies
May 18 14:44:48 <Jaffa> I'll wipe them out. All of them.
May 18 14:46:06 <aquatix> wish them goodbye from me
May 18 14:46:18 <Jaffa> Watering's later.
May 18 14:46:30 <johnx> with your tears?
May 18 14:46:42 <AStorm> with his blood
May 18 14:46:48 <AStorm> in hospital
May 18 14:46:51 <qwerty12_N800> Don't drown.
May 18 14:46:52 <johnx> O_o vampire grass?
May 18 14:47:18 <RST38h> Jaffa: you should turn that lawn mower onto yourself pronto!
May 18 14:47:20 * lardman is having troubles with SELECT()
May 18 14:47:42 <erstazi> lardman: we all have troubles with SELECT'ing the right one
May 18 14:47:56 <lardman> ~lart semaphores
May 18 14:47:56 * infobot rm -rf's semaphores
May 18 14:52:13 <lardman> hmm, might have solved it :)
May 18 14:56:15 <Jon> b
May 18 15:00:05 <hendry> 3/wc
May 18 15:03:15 <milhouse> hmm... seems to be a problem with the tablets-dev.nokia.com firmware download page :( (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/)
May 18 15:03:36 <qwerty12> http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ is down too
May 18 15:03:47 <aquatix> slashdotted? ;)
May 18 15:03:56 <Jon> oooh diablo out now?
May 18 15:04:01 <milhouse> nah, just rubbish infra
May 18 15:04:02 <aquatix> some leak iirc
May 18 15:04:09 <aquatix> milhouse: heh, k
May 18 15:04:14 <Jon> the apt repo one?
May 18 15:04:35 <qwerty12> X-Fade_, any info? :)
May 18 15:05:29 <milhouse> any long holidays in finland coming up? that could be when diablo is released... hope not! :)
May 18 15:05:44 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 18 15:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> Drop it and haul ass.
May 18 15:06:15 <milhouse> Pretty much... :)
May 18 15:07:23 <johnx> "By the time they find out, we'll be in Hawaii!"
May 18 15:07:28 <qwerty12> nautillus sucks some massive knob, stupid pos.
May 18 15:07:43 <johnx> is it being crashy?
May 18 15:07:49 <qwerty12> Extremely
May 18 15:08:07 <johnx> Yeah, I went to xfce and I'm really enjoying it
May 18 15:08:27 <qwerty12> Thanks, I should install xubuntu-desktop sometime.
May 18 15:08:31 <summatusmentis> is $380 for an N810 too good of a price to pass? I can get $100 for going to this conference
May 18 15:08:33 <qwerty12> I'll use konqueror for now.
May 18 15:12:24 <patoh> qwerty12: nautilus works perfect for me :)
May 18 15:12:35 <patoh> I don't think I have ever had it crash
May 18 15:12:40 <patoh> firefox just crashed on me but :(
May 18 15:12:42 <qwerty12> Not for me. keeps crashing on me :/
May 18 15:12:47 <qwerty12> firefox for me too :/
May 18 15:13:11 <summatusmentis> firefox crashes? I've overloaded it with tabs, but never had it just quit
May 18 15:13:19 <qwerty12> Are you using beta 3?
May 18 15:13:27 <summatusmentis> me? no
May 18 15:13:33 <patoh> its flash player that causes it
May 18 15:13:36 <qwerty12> There's your answer. :/
May 18 15:13:44 <patoh> its not really firefox's fault, but its still crashing :P
May 18 15:13:51 <qwerty12> I've had it crap out on me without flash player. FF 2.0 worked fine.
May 18 15:13:56 <summatusmentis> mm... well, don't complain about crashes if you're using beta software :-P
May 18 15:14:02 * aquatix slaps flash player
May 18 15:14:09 <qwerty12> It wasn't my choice :p. Stupid ubuntu.
May 18 15:14:24 * qwerty12 is trying my hybrid of upstart and sysvinit
May 18 15:14:25 <johnx> RC1 is out now and soon final
May 18 15:14:27 <patoh> I am using rc1 with firefox
May 18 15:14:33 <patoh> didn't crash on the betas for me
May 18 15:14:47 <johnx> 3beta5 is somewhat crashy for me
May 18 15:14:54 <johnx> but not enough to go back to ff2
May 18 15:15:13 <patoh> firefox-3 is to awesome
May 18 15:16:07 <qwerty12> Except for the address bar, nothing stands out to me.
May 18 15:16:57 <qwerty12> Bollox, time to reflash.
May 18 15:17:09 <patoh> the speed and memory use
May 18 15:18:38 <summatusmentis> alright, leaving now
May 18 15:25:02 <qwerty12> Hmm, any ideas why my Usbnet SSH connection is refused? :/
May 18 15:25:13 <johnx> ssh not running?
May 18 15:25:21 <qwerty12> It's running via bootmenu
May 18 15:25:26 <johnx> ssh -vvv and see where it dies
May 18 15:25:33 <qwerty12> I can't, I can't boot in
May 18 15:25:39 <qwerty12> unless you mean on computer?
May 18 15:25:40 <johnx> hmm?
May 18 15:25:46 <johnx> on the client
May 18 15:25:57 <qwerty12> Ah, sorry, brb, trying it out.
May 18 15:27:57 <Navi> Emos
May 18 15:28:10 <patoh> wait, the emos broke his ssh server?
May 18 15:28:30 <patoh> darn that evil cult!
May 18 15:30:28 <johnx> the "we need a virus scanner" cult is a strange one indeed...
May 18 15:30:59 <johnx> Sometimes the Signal/Noise ratio on ITT really drops...
May 18 15:31:28 <qwerty12> Sorry, internet messed up when messing around. Checking log :/
May 18 15:32:06 <qwerty12> This is long log :p
May 18 15:32:07 <qwerty12> faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1
May 18 15:32:07 <qwerty12> OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
May 18 15:32:07 <qwerty12> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
May 18 15:32:07 <qwerty12> debug1: Applying options for *
May 18 15:32:07 <qwerty12> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
May 18 15:32:09 <qwerty12> debug1: Connecting to 192.168.10.1 [192.168.10.1] port 22.
May 18 15:32:11 <qwerty12> debug1: connect to address 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused
May 18 15:32:13 <qwerty12> ssh: connect to host 192.168.10.1 port 22: Connection refused
May 18 15:32:14 <johnx> pastebin!
May 18 15:32:17 <qwerty12> faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ssh -vvv 192.168.10.1:23
May 18 15:32:19 <qwerty12> OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
May 18 15:32:21 <qwerty12> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
May 18 15:32:21 <patoh> no
May 18 15:32:23 <qwerty12> debug1: Applying options for *
May 18 15:32:25 <qwerty12> debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
May 18 15:32:27 <patoh> pastebin!
May 18 15:32:27 <qwerty12> faheem@faheem-desktop:~$ ping 192.168.10.1
May 18 15:32:29 <qwerty12> PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
May 18 15:32:29 <patoh> please
May 18 15:32:31 <qwerty12> From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Port Unreachable
May 18 15:33:12 <patoh> qwerty12: it looks like the ssh server isn't running
May 18 15:33:34 <qwerty12> I'm sure its running as I have same problem in maemo too. And the ping is failing.
May 18 15:34:07 <johnx> this is dropbear in bootmenu?
May 18 15:34:14 <qwerty12> Yes
May 18 15:34:49 <patoh> can you ssh to localhost on your device?
May 18 15:35:08 <johnx> and you're ssh'ing from a linux machine?
May 18 15:35:13 <qwerty12> yes
May 18 15:35:20 <johnx> have you been messing around with firewalls?
May 18 15:35:31 <qwerty12> patoh, the N800 is dead atm. emergency bootmenu.
May 18 15:35:34 <qwerty12> no afaik
May 18 15:36:00 <johnx> alright, put the result of ifconfig and route -n up on *pastebin* and I'll take a look
May 18 15:36:08 <qwerty12> hehe, will do. thanks.
May 18 15:36:26 <johnx> either the ssh server isn't running or you're not sshing to the right address I think
May 18 15:37:38 <qwerty111> messing with usb0 messes up wlan0, trying commands now.
May 18 15:38:25 <qwerty111> brb, I'm gonna have to disconnect wlan0
May 18 15:38:54 <toresbe> hrm
May 18 15:39:03 <toresbe> How can one install the SSHD on OS2008?
May 18 15:39:06 <toresbe> I can't find out how.
May 18 15:39:12 <kulve> with application manager
May 18 15:39:17 <kulve> the normal way
May 18 15:39:31 <toresbe> hrm
May 18 15:39:33 <johnx> or click to install openssh on downloadsa.maemo.org
May 18 15:39:42 <toresbe> thank you
May 18 15:39:42 <infobot> toresbe: de rien
May 18 15:39:50 <johnx> s/downloadsa/downloads
May 18 15:40:42 <kulve> s,downloads.maemo.org,maemo.org/downloads,
May 18 15:41:11 <qwerty12> http://pastebin.com/d562654a6
May 18 15:41:42 <johnx> you were trying to ssh into your own desktop
May 18 15:41:54 <johnx> try 192.168.10.2
May 18 15:42:35 <qwerty12> Thanks, will do. I'll need to ifdown wlan0 though. (Btw, N800 reports ip of 192.168.0.1)
May 18 15:42:43 <qwerty12> *192.168.10.1
May 18 15:43:10 <johnx> well, that's the IP of your usb0 interface on the desktop as well
May 18 15:43:28 <johnx> they could be the same, but if that's the case you'll need to fix it
May 18 15:43:46 <johnx> yup
May 18 15:43:57 <toresbe> Hrm. Application Manager is failing to update the list
May 18 15:44:00 <johnx> you need to change your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop prolly
May 18 15:44:04 <toresbe> and I can't do it manually because I can't become root
May 18 15:44:22 <johnx> have you added lots of repositories so far?
May 18 15:44:46 <toresbe> no
May 18 15:44:58 <toresbe> it first shows me "Downloading 1kB"
May 18 15:45:18 <toresbe> and then it freezes at "Downloading 2kB" with the progress bar at 100%
May 18 15:45:25 <johnx> repository.maemo.org is taking a long time to connect right now
May 18 15:45:39 <johnx> ah and then it gave me an error
May 18 15:45:46 <johnx> just try again later I guess
May 18 15:45:48 <toresbe> d'oh.
May 18 15:46:10 <qwerty12> No luck. USB cable is connected, usb0 is up and modules are inserted - http://pastebin.com/d617dcbcd
May 18 15:46:51 <johnx> ah, qwerty12 I guess you were gone when I said that
May 18 15:47:02 <johnx> you need to edit your /etc/network/interfaces on your desktop
May 18 15:47:11 <johnx> change the IP to something else besides 192.168.10.1
May 18 15:47:22 <johnx> .2 or .3 or .254 or whatever
May 18 15:47:25 <qwerty12> Ok, thanks, I'll try that.
May 18 15:47:42 <qwerty12> Time to ifdown wlan0 again :(
May 18 15:47:45 <disq> qwerty12: finally flashed, with lots of no space left interruptions. finally i moved all the files in apt archive (downloaded diablo) to mmc and symlinked back
May 18 15:47:54 <qwerty12> Cool :)
May 18 15:48:01 <disq> qwerty12: does connectivity applet in controlpanel or connectivity settings work for you? with the initfs?
May 18 15:48:07 <qwerty12> yes
May 18 15:48:12 <qwerty12> But I'm using diablo initfs
May 18 15:51:52 <qwerty12> still don't work. I can't be arsed with this POS, gonna reflash.
May 18 15:52:17 <johnx> your choice
May 18 15:52:30 <johnx> you'll learn more about networking if you see the problem through though
May 18 15:52:57 <qwerty12> ATM, I want my N800 to work. I'm not so interested in networking.
May 18 15:54:36 <lardman> they youth of today! no patience ;)
May 18 15:55:00 <lardman> they can probably type better than me though...:D
May 18 15:55:03 <patoh> heh
May 18 15:55:29 <qwerty12> lardman, you haven't been noting my typing have you? :P. I type quite bad actually.
May 18 15:55:45 <lardman> no, just my typo just then
May 18 16:06:46 <RST38h> back
May 18 16:07:14 <RST38h> X-Fade: Here?
May 18 16:07:38 <qwerty12> RST38h, got a new calculator to upload? ^-^
May 18 16:07:53 <RST38h> qwerty: Not yet, although I can probably give you the binary
May 18 16:07:59 <RST38h> If you feel like trying it
May 18 16:08:07 <qwerty12> No worries, I can wait yet :)
May 18 16:08:11 <qwerty12> Thank you though.
May 18 16:08:11 <infobot> qwerty12: my pleasure
May 18 16:08:17 <qwerty12> infobot, piss off
May 18 16:08:18 * infobot off goes behind Beans & Brews and waters a tree
May 18 16:08:26 <johnx> ~lart infobot
May 18 16:08:26 * infobot forces johnx to use Outlook Express
May 18 16:08:42 <disq> still having problems booting the new kernel, even with the initfs
May 18 16:08:53 <qwerty12> N810 or N800?
May 18 16:08:57 <disq> n810
May 18 16:09:07 <qwerty12> People with N810 cant use it.
May 18 16:09:23 <qwerty12> 3 people I know with N810 have had problems with that kernel.
May 18 16:09:26 <disq> i should reflash the randr kernel then
May 18 16:09:37 <qwerty12> Yeah, it's what I'm using on N800
May 18 16:09:48 <qwerty12> I have a feeling that IPv6 was enabled in diablo kernel.
May 18 16:11:39 * qwerty12 copies diablo original repo to mmc2
May 18 16:12:42 <qwerty12> I'm gonna make myself a rootfs after this is done
May 18 16:14:34 * RST38h wonders if screen rotation is enabled in the upcoming Diablo
May 18 16:15:25 * johnx takes bets...gives you 10:1 against
May 18 16:18:00 <qwerty12> If that was a bet, you would have lost RST38h ;)
May 18 16:31:24 <timely> anyone here know krisse?
May 18 16:45:36 <disq> qwerty12: any ideas why the connectivity cp applet won't work? does it work on n800 with new initfs and kernel?
May 18 16:46:09 <qwerty12> disq, it works on rotation kernel and diablo initfs
May 18 16:46:24 <disq> qwerty12: on n800, right?
May 18 16:46:31 <qwerty12> yes
May 18 16:47:23 <timely> disq / Jaffa?
May 18 16:47:31 <disq> i could upgrade my n800 too but it's comfy in the drawer, not using it anymore
May 18 16:48:12 <johnx> besides IPv6 what's the big advantage of the diablo kernel/initfs?
May 18 16:48:13 <disq> timely: no idea who that is
May 18 16:48:35 <timely> johnx: do you ever want to run old kernels?
May 18 16:48:46 <johnx> only when they work
May 18 16:48:51 <johnx> and the new one doesn't
May 18 16:48:55 <timely> it doesn't?
May 18 16:49:03 <timely> did you file a bug @ bugs.maemo.org w/ details?
May 18 16:49:13 <timely> i'll try to blocker it tomorrow if you provide enough info
May 18 16:49:17 <johnx> well it's apparently not working well for disq is all I mean
May 18 16:49:24 <disq> yeah.
May 18 16:49:25 * timely has already tried to scuttle the release once
May 18 16:49:25 <johnx> sorry, didn't mean to scare you
May 18 16:49:30 <timely> oh, i don't mind
May 18 16:49:32 <timely> it's a fun exercise
May 18 16:49:42 <timely> tomorrow i'll get to see how good i am at it :)
May 18 16:49:43 <johnx> I'm just lazy and I use rotate
May 18 16:49:51 <disq> timely: i don't want to report bugs for unreleased builds :) they probably know about it already
May 18 16:50:59 <timely> don't assume that
May 18 16:51:04 <timely> please please please don't assume that
May 18 16:51:24 <timely> assume we're just as ignorant as i make us sound :)
May 18 16:51:41 <qwerty12> I'd report diablo bugs if I could figure out bugzilla interface. But I guess I am n00b.
May 18 16:51:55 <timely> qwerty12: i'll walk you through it if no one else does
May 18 16:52:30 <qwerty12> Thanks :). But before I annoy anyone, I'll check bugzilla tuts on the internet first :)
May 18 16:52:30 <infobot> qwerty12: no worries
May 18 16:52:36 <qwerty12> infobot, fuck off
May 18 16:52:47 <qwerty12> I swear that it is in annoying mode today.
May 18 16:52:55 <disq> timely: ok then, i'll get the kernel version that's not working..
May 18 16:53:39 <johnx> timely, also, I worry that any bugs I run into are more likely to be caused by the update process that I used than from legitimate problems
May 18 16:53:58 <johnx> I don't want to contribute to the worsening of the signal/noise ratio
May 18 16:54:23 <timely> johnx: as long as you clearly document how you got there
May 18 16:55:05 <johnx> alright, I'll dig through for a bit and see then
May 18 16:55:11 <disq> timely: is diablo 4.1 or "next"?
May 18 16:55:33 <timely> err, do we have both in some product?
May 18 16:55:48 <timely> diablo is 4.1 which in most places should be "next"
May 18 16:56:14 <disq> timely: bugzilla both has "next" and "4.1"
May 18 16:57:00 <timely> which product(s)?
May 18 16:57:07 <disq> timely: in advanced search, but not in new report
May 18 16:57:40 <timely> use next, but hurry
May 18 16:57:46 <timely> if you dally you'll find 4.1 appears :)
May 18 16:58:18 <disq> i could just tag it as 4.1 (that's the target milestone thigy in reporting a new bug)
May 18 16:58:28 <timely> yeah
May 18 16:58:40 <timely> oh
May 18 16:58:48 <johnx> actually, I'll ask here first: Does anyone else have a problem with d-pad center sending a "return" before opening the finger keyboard on the N800 in text fields in microb?
May 18 16:58:50 <timely> yeah, um, if you wait a few secs, i'll give 4.1 as a version
May 18 16:59:02 <disq> ok
May 18 17:03:05 <timely> ok, try now?
May 18 17:03:10 <Jaffa> timely: I'm aware of krisse, but not spoken to her(?) directly.
May 18 17:03:23 <timely> got a mailto: ?
May 18 17:04:23 <disq> timely: thanks
May 18 17:11:25 <disq> timely: #3174. :)
May 18 17:13:37 <Jaffa> timely: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=5958 or maybe something on http://tabletschool.blogspot.com/
May 18 17:14:16 <qwerty12> or http://nokiaduck.blogspot.com/ :/
May 18 17:14:41 <johnx> so I assume that most diablo bugs are on an internal bug tracker somewhere?
May 18 17:15:24 <timely> looking for a way to pass a note instead of commenting publicly
May 18 17:15:38 <johnx> I don't care about commenting publicly
May 18 17:16:08 <timely> that was to Jaffa
May 18 17:16:16 <johnx> ah
May 18 17:18:34 <johnx> anyways, at this point is it worth it to report bugs against Diablo's version of microb, given that they're fairly obvious? (the one I mentioned above for example.)
May 18 17:20:54 <timely> sorry, i'm friend, someone pastebin a summary of the problem and give me a  url to that
May 18 17:20:56 <timely> fired
May 18 17:20:58 <timely> fried
May 18 17:21:01 <timely> ^^
May 18 17:21:15 <johnx> me?
May 18 17:21:22 <timely> please
May 18 17:21:37 <johnx> sure, one sec
May 18 17:25:20 <johnx> d-pad center in text fileld in microb send enter instead of bringing up finger keyboard: http://pastebin.com/m1eae5370
May 18 17:26:44 <johnx> also, there is some issue with the focus of text fields in microb, but writing steps to reproduce that reliably might take me a bit
May 18 17:27:07 <timely> that's first pastebin's filed
May 18 17:27:21 <johnx> ok, good
May 18 17:27:52 <timely> some future version will reinvent ime handling again
May 18 17:27:59 <timely> someday i hope the problem will shut down
May 18 17:29:46 <hendry> how do I added a menu item in maemo? can't find a tutorial
May 18 17:31:19 <johnx> hendry, Have you seen this page: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html
May 18 17:31:20 <johnx> ?
May 18 17:31:34 <johnx> specifically the "Integration to Menu" section?
May 18 17:33:28 <hendry> johnx: didn't find that!
May 18 17:33:35 <hendry> johnx: thanks ever so much
May 18 17:33:39 <johnx> sure :)
May 18 17:35:27 <timely> hendry: out of curiosity, what did you search for (google queries)?
May 18 17:35:41 * timely believes in trying to fix wikis until things work
May 18 17:35:43 <dookdook> has anyone seen adn770?
May 18 17:35:48 <hendry> timely: i search in the wiki
May 18 17:36:04 <timely> ok, wiki query urls then?
May 18 17:36:47 <hendry> http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+menu+item&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a http://search.maemo.org/search?q=menu+items&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd
May 18 17:36:51 <hendry> menu items
May 18 17:36:58 <hendry> and some variation on that
May 18 17:37:04 <hendry> maemo should nuke old docs imo
May 18 17:37:58 <timely> johnx: can you make that query work better? :)
May 18 17:39:01 <johnx> heh
May 18 17:39:47 <johnx> interestingly giving google "menu item maemo" gets the tutorial higher than "maemo menu item"
May 18 17:46:48 <ArteK>  /WC
May 18 18:05:23 <Jaffa> timely: join ITT and send a PM?
May 18 18:05:45 <timely> no :)
May 18 18:06:27 <Jaffa> timely: I can pass on a message that route, if you want (even if it's a "email ..."
May 18 18:09:51 <timely> sounds good. hold on, i'm fighting ssh/ssh-agent/hg
May 18 18:15:05 <lopz> brb
May 18 18:19:23 <eichi> what are the best free nvigation tools for maemo? maemo mapper and navit?
May 18 18:20:04 <Jaffa> There's a new one, RouteMap just been ported, IIRC
May 18 18:20:50 <eichi> IIRC?
May 18 18:21:01 <Jaffa> If I Remember/Recall Correctly.
May 18 18:22:10 <glass> just short way of saying that one isn't 100% sure
May 18 18:22:29 <Jaffa> In this case, because I've not looked at it in any way, shape or form.
May 18 18:22:43 <eichi> ah okay ;D i thougt about IRC
May 18 18:48:05 <kulve> http://www.arm.com/products/esd/openmax_v6libraries.html
May 18 18:48:25 <kulve> "ARM is developing highly optimized OpenMAX DL libraries which are being hand coded in ARM assembly."
May 18 18:48:41 <kulve> I wonder if there's some hints about optimizing some functions
May 18 18:48:48 <kulve> not sure if there's even sources though..
May 18 18:53:57 <kulve> ;// Description:
May 18 18:53:57 <kulve> ;// Compute an inverse FFT for a complex signal
May 18 18:54:05 <kulve> seems to have
May 18 18:54:26 <kulve> ;// (c) Copyright 2007-2008 ARM Limited. All Rights Reserved.
May 18 19:12:53 <timely> Jaffa: #jaffa
May 18 19:41:23 <Blastur> is aircrack-ng available for n810?
May 18 19:41:32 <Blastur> or kismet
May 18 19:42:18 <qwerty12_N800> both are
May 18 19:43:40 <Blastur> btw, is it possible to reset the n810 into factory default settings?
May 18 19:44:32 <qwerty12_N800> There is option on control panel
May 18 19:44:42 <qwerty12_N800> tap menu
May 18 19:46:47 <qwerty12_N800> Hehe, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7403351.stm
May 18 19:50:24 <Blastur> can't seem to find a factory reset in the control panel
May 18 19:51:50 <qwerty12_N800> Tap the menu icon in top left corner,, tools, reset factory default settings
May 18 19:51:53 <RST38h> qwerty: It is not the first time I see this in the news
May 18 19:51:56 <RST38h> Not even the second time
May 18 19:52:05 <RST38h> Do they play catch&release with him?
May 18 19:53:04 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, see it for 3rd time :p
May 18 19:54:24 <lopz> re
May 18 19:55:04 <qwerty12_N800> hi
May 18 19:55:04 <infobot> moin moin, qwerty12_n800
May 18 19:55:21 <Blastur> anyone know when Diablo will release?
May 18 19:55:34 <qwerty12_N800> which fool gave infobot an upgrade?
May 18 19:55:56 <Jaffa> Blastur: I've reason to believe it will be some day in the not too distant future which contains a 'y' in its name.
May 18 19:56:13 <qwerty12_N800> heheh
May 18 19:56:22 <Blastur> really? :) that soon?
May 18 19:56:48 <Blastur> i read about it on wikipedia, do you know if MSN is included among one of the new "instant messenger" providers?
May 18 19:57:02 <qwerty12_N800> nope it isn't
May 18 19:57:12 <Jaffa> The rtcomm beta supported MSN, didn't it?
May 18 19:57:20 <qwerty12_N800> you can install rtcomm tho in diablo
May 18 19:57:27 <Blastur> whats rtcomm?
May 18 19:57:39 <Blastur> what additional providers will diablo support?
May 18 19:57:55 <qwerty12_N800> none. lt's all in rtcomm.
May 18 19:59:21 <Blastur> rtcomm is an app bundled with diablo?
May 18 20:00:03 <qwerty12_N800> it's bundled with chinook too. the beta adds more providers.
May 18 20:42:34 <practisevoodoo> how do you add a new repository?
May 18 20:51:37 <timely> from application manager :)
May 18 20:51:59 <KotCzarny> or clicking on .install file somewhere on the web
May 18 20:52:05 <KotCzarny> yawn
May 18 20:52:08 <KotCzarny> morning
May 18 20:56:50 <x1alpha> is anyone at the moment chatting from his tablet ?
May 18 21:00:29 <qwerty12_N800> me
May 18 21:12:29 <practisevoodoo> what on earth is up this the matrix red pill blue pill stuff?
May 18 21:12:49 <timely> google.
May 18 21:13:13 <practisevoodoo> yeah i got how to do it
May 18 21:13:19 <practisevoodoo> i dont understand why
May 18 21:14:07 <Proteous> you take the blue pill, you wake up and belive whatever you want to belive, you take the red pill and you see how far the rabbit hole goes
May 18 21:14:10 <KotCzarny> by default only packages marked as user/foo category are installable
May 18 21:14:14 <Proteous> or something like that
May 18 21:14:19 <KotCzarny> from app-man of course
May 18 21:14:29 <KotCzarny> apt-get has no such problems
May 18 21:27:01 <x1alpha> qwerty12_N800 : doesnt a 4" display hurt your eyes ?!
May 18 21:29:44 * unixSnob just discovered that the browser downloader is lousy
May 18 21:30:38 <unixSnob> So I'm trying to download a 600MB file, and halfway through the file is simply gone from the downloads window
May 18 21:30:49 <forge> :)
May 18 21:31:02 <timely> unixSnob: where are you trying to download this file?
May 18 21:31:23 <unixSnob> it says (no files downloading) w/ no excuse as to what happened to the file I was downloading
May 18 21:31:37 <unixSnob> I have it set to save to my external sd card
May 18 21:31:50 <unixSnob> (on an n800)
May 18 21:31:59 <unixSnob> It happened twice
May 18 21:32:13 <timely> you could install strace and watch the browser download the file :)
May 18 21:32:20 <unixSnob> the second time i paused the download, and left it on pause
May 18 21:32:28 <unixSnob> then the file simply disappeared
May 18 21:32:45 <unixSnob> I don't have the patience for that
May 18 21:32:54 <unixSnob> I start the download, and look away
May 18 21:33:19 <KotCzarny> shouldn't be a problem with a local server
May 18 21:33:21 <KotCzarny> to test
May 18 21:33:22 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:34:57 <unixSnob> what does strace do for me?  i'm not sure what good a test will do.. I've already confirmed that the download tool is a piece of shit
May 18 21:35:13 <KotCzarny> stop cursing
May 18 21:35:14 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:35:49 <unixSnob> The question is whether I can install a download manager plugin for this browser
May 18 21:35:49 <unixSnob> Or if I need to try another browser
May 18 21:37:02 <Saviq> hi all, anyone using mobile mythtv with mythtv 0.21?
May 18 21:37:04 <qwerty12_N800> Dta or flashgot with curl/wget in microb would be good...
May 18 21:37:45 <unixSnob> microb?  never heard of it.. is that an alternate browser?
May 18 21:38:04 <unixSnob> flashgot is a firefox plugin, isn't it?
May 18 21:38:18 <denny> MicroB is the defaulkt browser on the tablet
May 18 21:38:29 <KotCzarny> and it's based on firefox3
May 18 21:38:30 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 21:38:39 <timely> no
May 18 21:38:44 <Saviq> firefox3?
May 18 21:38:44 <timely> it's based on ff3alpha1
May 18 21:38:48 <timely> which is not like firefox3
May 18 21:38:53 <KotCzarny> ok
May 18 21:38:58 <timely> it's like ff3 minus 1 year
May 18 21:38:58 <KotCzarny> but based on firefox
May 18 21:38:59 <denny> is there any ETA on the new microb yet?
May 18 21:38:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:39:07 <timely> denny: two years
May 18 21:39:21 <denny> mm-hmm.
May 18 21:39:26 <timely> maybe 23months if you wait a month :)
May 18 21:39:44 <KotCzarny> timely: is that official ? ;)
May 18 21:39:48 <timely> no :)
May 18 21:39:51 <KotCzarny> good :)
May 18 21:39:55 <KotCzarny> (or bad ;)
May 18 21:40:04 <timely> but it's true that waiting one month decreases your 24 month wait to 23 months :)
May 18 21:40:24 <KotCzarny> well, that depends on relativity..
May 18 21:40:25 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 18 21:41:33 <timely> i can say that with relativ[e certa]i[n]ty
May 18 21:41:47 <KotCzarny> timely: what's the chance of general extensions for firefox working in microb?
May 18 21:42:04 <timely> w/o porting?
May 18 21:42:09 <KotCzarny> yes
May 18 21:42:09 <timely> if they don't have a ui? not bad
May 18 21:42:22 <timely> if they have a ui? w/o porting? very very close to nil
May 18 21:42:25 <qwerty12_N800> >.<
May 18 21:42:27 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 18 21:42:37 <timely> use fennec or firefox
May 18 21:43:00 <timely> 99% of all extensions use xul, and microb doesn't offer xul
May 18 21:43:22 <KotCzarny> and won't in the future too?
May 18 21:44:50 <unixSnob> so are these microb plugins something I get from garage.maemo.org?
May 18 21:45:09 <unixSnob> I didn't see any extensions menu choice in microb
May 18 21:45:12 <timely> KotCzarny: i can't speak for the future
May 18 21:45:19 <KotCzarny> timely: good
May 18 21:45:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:45:22 <timely> http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/
May 18 21:45:30 <KotCzarny> at least there is no definitive 'no'
May 18 21:45:31 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:45:53 <timely> personally i had hoped to already include xul support
May 18 21:45:57 * timely shrugs
May 18 21:46:01 <timely> i have no control over direction
May 18 21:46:06 <qwerty12_N800> i also <3 the  mplayer plug-in too :)
May 18 21:46:16 <timely> ?
May 18 21:46:39 <qwerty12_N800> I'm just pointing out another plug-in :)
May 18 21:46:49 <qwerty12_N800> separate from your convo
May 18 21:47:24 <KotCzarny> timely: is there a way to add mime-type handlers?
May 18 21:47:46 <KotCzarny> ie. if link is audio/mp3 don't download but launch media-player
May 18 21:48:20 <qwerty12_N800> KotCzarny, I think that can be done already :/
May 18 21:48:28 <KotCzarny> qwerty: any howto?
May 18 21:48:50 <KotCzarny> for firefox i had to use mplayer-plugin
May 18 21:48:50 <qwerty12_N800> look at /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list
May 18 21:49:02 <qwerty12_N800> if i understand right
May 18 21:49:27 <qwerty12_N800> mplayer-plugin is available for microb too
May 18 21:49:37 <KotCzarny> but my question was generic
May 18 21:49:59 <qwerty12_N800> ahh
May 18 21:50:24 <KotCzarny> qwerty: hmm, but that's for opening after download, i think
May 18 21:51:15 <KotCzarny> some apps can handle links by themselves
May 18 21:51:25 <Navi> [16:39:19] <timely> maybe 23months if you wait a month :) <- Lol XD
May 18 21:51:27 <KotCzarny> which is nice for peeking in the content
May 18 21:52:21 <qwerty12_N800> Ah, my bad. I think streaming video opens in default media player w/out downloading. maybe look to see how that happens?
May 18 21:52:51 <KotCzarny> i'll try on mp3
May 18 21:53:41 <shapr> I got a spam recently that said "ARM on the rise" in the subject line... I thought it had something to do with my N800!
May 18 21:55:59 * qwerty12_N800 just switched to glasser and breaths sigh of relief
May 18 21:56:50 <KotCzarny> i like nuvoclear
May 18 21:56:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:57:17 <qwerty12_N800> I do too but new reflash :)
May 18 21:58:30 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 18 21:58:31 <KotCzarny> ok
May 18 21:58:33 <KotCzarny> i was wrong
May 18 21:58:41 <KotCzarny> clicking on mp3 opens mediaplayer
May 18 21:58:45 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 21:58:59 <qwerty12_N800> :p
May 18 21:59:12 <KotCzarny> good :)
May 18 21:59:38 <qwerty12_N800> -)
May 18 22:02:54 * qwerty12_N800 is still unsure how to get battery information in ftd working even under diablo initfs :/
May 18 22:03:35 <KotCzarny> try strace?
May 18 22:03:36 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 22:04:23 <qwerty12_N800> Don't have a binary atm
May 18 22:05:41 <qwerty12_N800> Unless ftd depends on testserver (which it shouldn't) to get the battery data.
May 18 22:20:33 <skibur> hello?
May 18 22:20:56 <skibur> anybody using a microsoft gps-360 device with maemo mapper?
May 18 22:32:12 <AStorm> if it works over bluetooth, it should just work
May 18 22:32:27 <AStorm> (after pairing, of course)
May 18 22:37:04 <unixSnob> I'm confused.. if MicroB is one of the firefox versions, what's the idea behind a 3rd party download for the "mozilla engine"?
May 18 22:37:07 <unixSnob> Doesn't firefox/microb use the mozilla engine?
May 18 22:37:49 <AStorm> huh? which download?
May 18 22:38:00 <AStorm> Microb isn't exactly a version of Firefox
May 18 22:38:05 <unixSnob> it's at browser.garage.maemo.org
May 18 22:38:07 <AStorm> it's a separate UI for Gecko
May 18 22:38:19 <unixSnob> Someone mentioned that microb was ff3, alpha1
May 18 22:39:02 <unixSnob> what's a separate ui for gecko?  microb?
May 18 22:39:19 * unixSnob doesn't know what gecko is either
May 18 22:39:21 <AStorm> ....
May 18 22:39:31 <AStorm> Gecko is the page renderer
May 18 22:39:56 <AStorm> the main library (there is Necko, network layer, NSPR, security lib and others)
May 18 22:41:12 <unixSnob> those are the components for microb?
May 18 22:42:16 <AStorm> yes, and firefox, and seamonkey, and thunderbird, and sunbird
May 18 22:42:30 <KotCzarny> and some other
May 18 22:42:30 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 22:42:33 <AStorm> ya
May 18 22:42:51 <AStorm> like that page editor
May 18 22:43:44 <AStorm> and chatzilla ;P
May 18 22:44:38 <unixSnob> So if I switch to the "mozilla engine", what am I giving up from microb?
May 18 22:44:54 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB is mozilla.
May 18 22:45:01 <KotCzarny> is not
May 18 22:45:23 <AStorm> is not
May 18 22:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> -based
May 18 22:45:37 <AStorm> nope
May 18 22:45:38 <GeneralAntilles> My fingers are tired.
May 18 22:45:40 <AStorm> it's Gecko-based
May 18 22:45:47 <GeneralAntilles> The correct term is mozilla-based. ;)
May 18 22:45:50 <AStorm> unixSnob: you don't switch
May 18 22:45:59 <AStorm> it should be an update
May 18 22:46:07 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: nope
May 18 22:46:16 <unixSnob> microb = ff3 alpha1, but != mozilla?  confusing
May 18 22:46:17 <AStorm> mozilla-based = from mozilla.org
May 18 22:46:23 <AStorm> unixSnob: no, it's not ff3 alpha1
May 18 22:46:24 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:MicroB
May 18 22:46:29 <AStorm> just the same version of Gecko
May 18 22:46:29 <GeneralAntilles> No, that's incorrect.
May 18 22:46:37 <AStorm> GeneralAntilles: wikipedia, yeah, sure
May 18 22:46:38 <GeneralAntilles> Gecko-based browsers are "mozilla-based"
May 18 22:46:42 <AStorm> WRONG.
May 18 22:46:53 <AStorm> ask mozilla guys, thank you
May 18 22:46:55 <GeneralAntilles> Look at the source. <_<
May 18 22:46:57 <AStorm> :-)
May 18 22:47:58 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, what's the name of the maemo browser?
May 18 22:48:06 <AStorm> MicroB
May 18 22:48:07 <GeneralAntilles> "Mozilla based browser for maemo"
May 18 22:48:12 <AStorm> nope
May 18 22:48:15 <GeneralAntilles> Yes it is.
May 18 22:48:18 <AStorm> the name is MicroB
May 18 22:48:21 <GeneralAntilles> No, it's not.
May 18 22:48:25 <GeneralAntilles> The ENGINE is MicroB
May 18 22:48:30 * unixSnob is simply going to upgrade to the "mozilla engine" blindly, in hopes of improved download management
May 18 22:48:37 <GeneralAntilles> The whole browser is "Mozilla based browser for maemo"
May 18 22:48:37 <AStorm> engine is Gecko, sorry :-)
May 18 22:48:42 <GeneralAntilles> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
May 18 22:48:48 <GeneralAntilles> AStorm, what are you, trolling?
May 18 22:48:49 <AStorm> blah blah, blah and blah
May 18 22:48:53 <AStorm> it uses Gecko directly
May 18 22:48:57 <timely> microb is a codename for the engine
May 18 22:49:05 <AStorm> not patched Gecko, or modded Gecko
May 18 22:49:07 <timely> microb is a hacked gecko
May 18 22:49:11 <AStorm> reduced Gecko used for Minimo
May 18 22:49:15 <AStorm> :-)
May 18 22:49:16 <timely> calling it gecko is unfair to gecko
May 18 22:49:20 <AStorm> not really
May 18 22:49:24 <timely> um...
May 18 22:49:27 <AStorm> it is Gecko, but minimo variant
May 18 22:49:29 * timely is a gecko dev
May 18 22:49:34 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 22:49:35 <KotCzarny> ok
May 18 22:49:36 <unixSnob> damn.. wouldn't let me install the mozilla engine.. says incompatible installation.  I just upgraded maemo a few weeks ago
May 18 22:49:38 * timely is also fairly responsible for the name requirements
May 18 22:49:42 <KotCzarny> we've got the source
May 18 22:49:44 <AStorm> fun
May 18 22:49:54 <KotCzarny> timely: what sentence is correct
May 18 22:49:59 <acydlord> the autorotate installer package doesnt like me
May 18 22:50:05 <KotCzarny> about mozilla/firefox/gecko basedness
May 18 22:50:09 <timely> officially Mozilla based browser for maemo
May 18 22:50:22 <AStorm> does it use any Mozilla code?
May 18 22:50:23 <timely> w/ microb being the name of the engine, and that it's a gecko derivative
May 18 22:50:30 <timely> AStorm: certainly
May 18 22:50:30 <AStorm> as in Code of Mozilla
May 18 22:50:39 <timely> but it isn't pure
May 18 22:50:44 <timely> it's adulturated
May 18 22:50:49 <timely> and stale
May 18 22:50:50 <AStorm> well, the name is funny
May 18 22:50:55 <AStorm> the UI isn't XUL
May 18 22:51:03 <Navi> timely, oh yeah
May 18 22:51:07 <AStorm> the engine isn't Gecko
May 18 22:51:10 <Navi> That's a funny name for a browser :P
May 18 22:51:12 <acydlord> does anyone have a recent sources.list since gronmayer is down?
May 18 22:51:14 <AStorm> yet it's "Mozilla based"
May 18 22:51:19 <AStorm> :>
May 18 22:51:23 * unixSnob thinks somone should draw a picture of all this
May 18 22:51:25 <timely> AStorm: camino is mozilla based
May 18 22:51:30 <timely> it doesn't use xul either
May 18 22:51:34 <AStorm> hmmhmm
May 18 22:51:35 <timely> although camino at least supports it (kinda0
May 18 22:51:41 <AStorm> ok, now, gimme Firefox Mobile
May 18 22:51:49 <AStorm> any dates for that?
May 18 22:51:57 <timely> +2years :)
May 18 22:52:01 <acydlord> actually there is a firefox mobile in the repos
May 18 22:52:05 <acydlord> it's called fennec
May 18 22:52:25 <timely> fennec's more of a prototype
May 18 22:52:34 <acydlord> true
May 18 22:52:36 <AStorm> hm
May 18 22:52:39 <KotCzarny> working prototype?
May 18 22:52:40 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 22:52:42 <AStorm> working prototypes are good
May 18 22:52:57 <acydlord> microb was a prototype too :p
May 18 22:53:25 <AStorm> buggy prototype based on leaky version of Gecko
May 18 22:53:26 <AStorm> :>
May 18 22:54:00 <acydlord> that's inferring that there are non leaky versions of gecko
May 18 22:54:07 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 22:54:14 <Navi> acydlord, ooh :D
May 18 22:54:19 <Navi> zing!
May 18 22:54:33 <acydlord> lol
May 18 22:55:18 <AStorm> acydlord: well, 20080512 hasn't leaked anything except 3 here yet
May 18 22:55:36 <AStorm> these 3 objects are from addon manager
May 18 22:55:41 <AStorm> so, light :>
May 18 23:00:35 <unixSnob> so what's the name of the whole browser, which contains microb?
May 18 23:01:30 <unixSnob> ah.. just read the wiki.. there is no name for it apparently
May 18 23:02:31 <GeneralAntilles> "Mozilla based broswer for maemo"
May 18 23:02:43 <GeneralAntilles> People just call the whole browser MicroB, though.
May 18 23:02:48 <timely> well, the browser host is basically "tablet-browser-ui"
May 18 23:02:51 <timely> or just "web"
May 18 23:03:00 <timely> but it can host any number of browser engines
May 18 23:03:48 <timely> in diablo, the host will actually be browserd instead of browser if you want to talk about unix processes
May 18 23:03:53 <timely> but that's another story
May 18 23:05:09 <KotCzarny> mm, having links2 browser as an actual option :)
May 18 23:05:31 <unixSnob> someone recommended flashgot earlier (since i need a decent download manager), but flashgot does not appear at garage.maemo.org.. or any download manager for that matter
May 18 23:06:15 <KotCzarny> timely: how about 'download with ..' option?
May 18 23:06:35 <KotCzarny> beside open/save/cancel
May 18 23:07:00 <KotCzarny> and having a list of apps
May 18 23:07:04 <KotCzarny> :)
May 18 23:07:42 <timely> ....
May 18 23:07:50 <timely> downloading requires credentials
May 18 23:07:54 <timely> credentials aren't portable
May 18 23:08:00 <KotCzarny> sometimes, yes
May 18 23:08:06 <timely> there's already a copy link location for the cases where you don't need credentials
May 18 23:08:34 <KotCzarny> but then again there are variables
May 18 23:08:44 <KotCzarny> %U for user etc
May 18 23:08:57 <KotCzarny> that could be used in actual cmd line
May 18 23:08:57 <timely> eh?
May 18 23:09:14 <unixSnob> yeah, downloading files from sun.com is hell.  I have to login to get to the webpage, then some kind of authentication goes on for each file donwload, because it breaks wget
May 18 23:09:18 <KotCzarny> just a theoretical
May 18 23:09:32 <KotCzarny> browser would provide some variables for user
May 18 23:09:34 <unixSnob> I need an integrated download manager that can handle the credentials
May 18 23:10:04 <timely> unixSnob: i've used wget to grab files from sun.com
May 18 23:10:07 <KotCzarny> like user (%U) pass (%P) target dir (%D) file name (%F)
May 18 23:10:21 <timely> KotCzarny: cookie, httpauthrealm, ...
May 18 23:10:23 <unixSnob> timely: me too, but it requires a script
May 18 23:10:24 <KotCzarny> and user could prepare list of apps using those variables
May 18 23:10:41 <KotCzarny> timely that could be in %C, %H
May 18 23:10:43 <unixSnob> and for some reason, maemo doesn't have wget
May 18 23:11:25 <timely> doesn't have or doesn't ship?
May 18 23:11:43 <GeneralAntilles> unixSnob, apt-get install wget
May 18 23:11:45 <timely> and did you verify curl wasn't available?
May 18 23:11:52 <timely> some systems prefer curl, just to be annoying
May 18 23:11:56 <unixSnob> ty GeneralAntilles
May 18 23:15:03 <unixSnob> how do I get root?  if I enter 'su - root' I get su: applet requires root privleges
May 18 23:15:03 <unixSnob> ah, sudo
May 18 23:15:50 <unixSnob> what's the password/
May 18 23:15:57 <KotCzarny> empty
May 18 23:17:02 <unixSnob> it seemed to take empty, but then I do a whoami, and response is "user"
May 18 23:17:29 <unixSnob> sudo su - root should leave me in a root shell
May 18 23:17:44 <GeneralAntilles> Install easyroot
May 18 23:17:48 <GeneralAntilles> type: root
May 18 23:18:59 <acydlord> or sudo gainroot -
May 18 23:19:11 <KotCzarny> or ssh root@0
May 18 23:20:02 <unixSnob> "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" <= response to sudo gainroot -
May 18 23:20:11 <unixSnob> and it leaves me as a user
May 18 23:20:14 <GeneralAntilles> Install easyroot
May 18 23:20:20 <KotCzarny> install ssh-server
May 18 23:20:29 <timely> capture-root ;-)
May 18 23:20:34 <unixSnob> i need to be root to install easyroot, don't I?
May 18 23:20:35 <timely> but easyroot sounds best
May 18 23:20:38 <timely> no
May 18 23:20:41 <timely> use application manager
May 18 23:20:48 <timely> like everyone else :)
May 18 23:20:48 <GeneralAntilles> nitapps.com
May 18 23:20:50 <unixSnob> k
May 18 23:20:56 <GeneralAntilles> Add their repository or download the deb
May 18 23:27:57 <unixSnob> nice.. finally got root, and apt-getting wget
May 18 23:31:02 <unixSnob> timely - is curl better for accessing sun.com downloads?
May 18 23:41:07 <timely> i don't think one is better
May 18 23:42:30 <unixSnob> well wget is pretty rough.. it requires a separate script to handle the authentication for sun.com
May 18 23:42:38 <unixSnob> So I'll try curl
May 18 23:43:00 <unixSnob> so far I have found libCurl for maemo, but not a separate app
May 18 23:43:57 <unixSnob> This chart makes curl look better than wget => http://curl.haxx.se/docs/comparison-table.html
May 18 23:48:35 <rm_you> I love the way the world is going with internet :P
May 18 23:53:37 <n8k`d|elibom> Is connecting to the net via Bluetooth out of the question with Vista?
May 18 23:53:56 <GeneralAntilles> You want #vista
May 18 23:54:08 <n8k`d|elibom> Using the n800 *shrugs*
May 18 23:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, you want to connect to a Vista box to get internet on the N800?
May 18 23:54:32 <n8k`d|elibom> Aye.  :P
May 18 23:54:40 <GeneralAntilles> You shoulda said that then. :P ;)
May 18 23:54:43 <GeneralAntilles> Install maemo-pan
May 18 23:54:44 <unixSnob> hmm.. seems the default repository of maemo.org/extras is only a fraction of maemo.org offerings.. I see a maemo.org/pool - but adding it to the repository seems non-trivial
May 18 23:54:49 <GeneralAntilles> Then set up a PAN network on the Vista machine.
May 18 23:54:52 <GeneralAntilles> Should work.
May 18 23:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> Although I don't recall whether there's a phone/computer issue with PAN support right now.
May 18 23:55:13 <n8k`d|elibom> alright *begins looking*
May 18 23:55:26 <unixSnob> Now I get "some catalogs unavailable".  how do I add the maemo.org pool catalog?
May 18 23:58:33 <unixSnob> the full path looks like this http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/curl_7.15.5-1osso1_armel.deb
May 19 00:16:22 <rafl> where to find the config file for the x server?
May 19 01:13:46 <GeneralAntilles> Think we should resolve this as WONTFIX? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2267
May 19 01:13:52 <GeneralAntilles> What with the mediawiki and all.
May 19 01:15:12 <KotCzarny> code in [code] shouldn't get parsed in any way
May 19 01:15:28 <KotCzarny> maybe except htmlization of some chars
May 19 01:15:49 <KotCzarny> it's the code dammit.
May 19 01:15:56 <KotCzarny> don't touch the code. etc
May 19 02:06:07 <unixSnob> Suppose I know the full path of a deb file that I want to install (http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo3.2/free/binary/curl_7.15.5-1osso1_armel.deb)... how do I add the relevent catalog/repository so apt-get finds the package, along w/ deps?
May 19 02:07:13 <GeneralAntilles> just wget it?
May 19 02:07:23 <GeneralAntilles> then dpkg -i
May 19 02:08:29 <unixSnob> I know that would get it started.. then it would start looking for dependancies, right?  If I can add it to the catalog, then I figure it'll find the deps
May 19 02:36:13 <unixSnob> well I got lucky.. did't ask for any missing dependancies
May 19 02:39:11 <rm_you> johnx: you still don't seem to be here.
May 19 02:39:16 <rm_you> it's very depressing
May 19 02:39:20 <KotCzarny> :)
May 19 02:53:46 <Navi> Jaffa, ping
May 19 02:57:54 <GeneralAntilles> What are you, kidding?
May 19 02:58:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's 4 in the morning over there. :P
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