**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 21 02:59:56 2008 May 21 02:59:57 :) May 21 03:00:11 sure, i'd even buy one at that price :) May 21 03:00:17 It will, eventually, doc|home. May 21 03:00:35 But there isn't much point in buying an N810 if you have an N800, anyway. May 21 03:00:38 GeneralAntilles: yep May 21 03:00:40 Wait for the N900. May 21 03:00:44 not true May 21 03:00:48 multiplayer games May 21 03:00:49 I dunno, I like the idea of a hardware keypad May 21 03:00:49 :) May 21 03:01:01 also walkie talkie ;) May 21 03:01:05 vid cam May 21 03:01:08 etc May 21 03:01:11 * m-c waits for the N9000 ! May 21 03:01:18 over 9000!? May 21 03:01:28 due out October 2020 May 21 03:01:47 bad news, our civilizations is due to destruction in 2012 May 21 03:01:48 :) May 21 03:01:57 oh, so sad May 21 03:02:58 Feedback:100% Positive means it is certain ? May 21 03:03:54 not really May 21 03:04:06 there are scams that use stolen accounts May 21 03:04:07 :) May 21 03:04:21 that's the fun of online auction sites May 21 03:04:22 mrglinux: it could be that he has happily sold 1000 straws to 1000 people May 21 03:04:28 for 1c each May 21 03:04:38 and people he knew at that May 21 03:04:58 i find it http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-PDA_W0QQitemZ150249464402QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem do you accept it ? May 21 03:06:02 I heard someone in irc say that CF cards do not have wear leveling, and SD cards do. I'm having difficulty verifying that. Most of what I see out it the wild states both CF and SD have internal wear leveling. May 21 03:06:03 I got sold an empty box from a guy with 99% positive May 21 03:06:17 unixsnob: not true May 21 03:06:30 ie. depends on manufacturer May 21 03:06:34 year of production May 21 03:06:35 model May 21 03:06:37 etc. May 21 03:07:20 m-c: calculated risk? May 21 03:07:21 :) May 21 03:07:27 free money? May 21 03:07:55 pay with a credit card, and keep the option for contesting the charge open May 21 03:08:26 I let ebay / paypal handle the seemingly obvious dispute, instead of my credit card company. they kept it in limbo for 60 days, then sided with the merchant May 21 03:08:51 anyway, never going to use ebay again ;-) May 21 03:08:55 yeah, that's the story I always hear with paypal May 21 03:12:21 GeneralAntilles, is it possible to specify an IP to connect to in canola? May 21 03:12:30 Don't have a clue May 21 03:12:36 -> #canola May 21 03:12:37 GeneralAntilles, the server and client are on different subnets, so it doesn't detect it May 21 03:12:45 The idea behind UPnP is that it Just Works, though. May 21 03:12:53 dmsuperman_: maybe vpn ? May 21 03:13:12 if i understand correctly host on vpn appears as it was local May 21 03:14:15 is there an easy way to setup a vpn server on my desktop, which the n800 could connect to? May 21 03:14:23 desktop is ubuntu May 21 03:14:28 KotCzarny: is wear leveling support guaranteed in any of the types of media (cf, sd, etc)? Or is it always variable? May 21 03:14:28 What brands do not offer wear leveling, for example? May 21 03:14:28 i'm not too familiar with vpns May 21 03:14:45 so i'm not sure if you need some sort of special device just to do it, or if i _have_ to do it from my router May 21 03:15:12 i dont see ogg format in list of available formats .does it support it? May 21 03:15:42 there's no official support for it May 21 03:15:53 dmsuperman_: from what I hear, vpn servers are a pain in the ass to set up.. but perhaps easier w/ a router May 21 03:16:00 but there are some players that play them May 21 03:16:04 unixsnob: hard to tell, wear levelling isn't something you can check yourself with hdparm etc May 21 03:16:10 dmsuperman_: why would you not want to use your router? May 21 03:16:12 mrglinux: :( sad, but you have got to add another package for ogg support May 21 03:16:26 I read that latest canola release support ogg May 21 03:16:44 but ogg is free and its orginaly on linux oss before another formats May 21 03:16:55 * os May 21 03:17:00 unixSnob, The whole problem is that my router is what's causing the issue. I have a pfSense box with 2 interfaces. My client, the n800, is on one interface (subnet 192.168.3) and my server, my desktop, is on th other (192.168.0.10) May 21 03:17:21 unixSnob, so KotCzarny suggested to create a vpn between them, because upnp doesn't work cross subnets May 21 03:17:34 unixSnob, I tried creating a virtual ip with the router but that hasn't seemed to work May 21 03:19:47 is it easy work with printer? like normal linux ? May 21 03:25:34 <|penguinbait|> If you install KDE, its just like normal linux running KDEand cups May 21 03:27:14 have anyone played supertux on it ? :P May 21 03:28:08 or PlanetPenguin Racer May 21 03:28:14 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/supertux/ May 21 03:28:24 so does anybody know how i can specify, with any media player at all, an ip for my upnp media server? May 21 03:28:55 installing kde to get printing capability seems like killing the chicken with a machine gun. May 21 03:28:58 :) May 21 03:29:10 Debian chroot would likely be an option, too. May 21 03:29:21 Or install CUPS and print from the command-line. May 21 03:29:30 damn small linux has a way of printing w/out using cups.. it's a very lean driver set May 21 03:29:47 GeneralAntilles: how about 3d games? :) May 21 03:29:48 although it doesn't support as many printers May 21 03:29:55 mrglinux, a few May 21 03:30:01 Check out the gaming forum on itT May 21 03:30:04 or pupnik.de May 21 03:30:14 Doom, Quake I/II, Warzone 2100 May 21 03:30:15 GeneralAntilles: ok May 21 03:30:17 Others May 21 03:30:19 <|penguinbait|> somebody compiled lpr May 21 03:30:26 <|penguinbait|> look on itt May 21 03:43:21 does anybody know how to get vlc on maemo? May 21 03:43:38 Sure, download it and install it May 21 03:43:39 but why? May 21 03:43:44 mplayer is much, much better optimized. May 21 03:44:03 GeneralAntilles, can I specify an IP to browse a upnp server with mplayer? May 21 03:44:18 GeneralAntilles: can play it divx format ? May 21 03:44:18 Does VLC even do upnp? May 21 03:44:31 mplayer plays just about everything possible on maemo May 21 03:44:43 GeneralAntilles, i think it does upnp May 21 03:44:55 GeneralAntilles, I just need to find anything that will let me connect to my upnp server May 21 03:45:20 GeneralAntilles, I need to be able to specify a port though, because they're on different subnets and therefore the upnp server won't broadcast itself to the client May 21 03:45:28 specify an ip though* May 21 03:51:09 the itt is very dark and hard to read.. May 21 03:51:23 All the way on the bottom left corner of the page, mrglinux. May 21 03:51:30 There's a dropdown for theme May 21 03:51:50 ok May 21 03:56:47 do the nokia n800/810 have a failsafe/bootblock mode or can firmware updates actually brick the handheld? May 21 03:56:58 yes May 21 03:57:17 to which one? May 21 03:57:20 ? May 21 03:57:51 Firmware updates can render the bootloader non-functional requiring a cold flash using a JTAG cable. May 21 03:57:52 Hey yall May 21 03:58:02 But I've never actually seen anybody manage that feat. May 21 03:58:02 Can the Nokia N770 be used as a cellphone? May 21 03:58:33 and only heard of two cases of people bricking by writing to the mtd block for NOLO with the tablet booted. May 21 03:58:40 No, shanellegranger. May 21 03:58:45 It has wifi and bluetooth May 21 03:58:59 what does the jtag cable involve? May 21 03:59:59 GeneralAntilles - but can you use it like skype phones, where you use a bluetooth microphone and connect to the internet to make a call? May 21 04:00:07 Yes May 21 04:00:10 but that's not a cellphone May 21 04:00:13 That's VOIP May 21 04:00:14 Oh May 21 04:00:16 OK May 21 04:00:30 Cellphones have cellular radios. ;0 May 21 04:00:36 I gotcha May 21 04:00:37 I gotcha May 21 04:00:38 s/0/)/ May 21 04:00:38 GeneralAntilles meant: Cellphones have cellular radios. ;) May 21 04:00:54 What software would you need to make a Nokia N770 a VOIP phone? May 21 04:01:18 Gizmo or Skype May 21 04:01:26 Or the built-in SIP client May 21 04:01:35 Take your pick, whichever suits your needs best. May 21 04:01:36 There's skype for the Nokia 770? May 21 04:02:13 Nice May 21 04:02:45 Personally, I'd choose Gizmo if you can May 21 04:02:54 i.e. you don't already have a bunch of contacts using Skype May 21 04:03:07 It's just Jabber/SIP, so you can pretty much connect to Gizmo with anything May 21 04:03:13 rather than needing a proprietary Skype client. May 21 04:06:29 the included SIP client works well May 21 05:03:28 http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/smallest-gps-tracker-letter-logger.html May 21 05:03:30 o.o May 21 05:15:58 So, nothing interesting going on? May 21 05:21:12 I have put a new iNES online May 21 05:21:32 if you had speed problems, get a new version from the web site (repository still does not have it) May 21 05:22:01 Guess the Diablo update repo isn't working anymore. May 21 05:22:04 Stupid Nokia May 21 05:22:28 ZOMG STOOPID NOKIA May 21 05:22:32 RST38h, sweet May 21 05:23:08 RST38h, my speed problems were minor, I think May 21 05:23:29 It was 20 ticks in 11-12 seconds May 21 05:23:38 in SMB May 21 05:25:47 That is NOT a speed problem May 21 05:25:58 That is measurement error ;) May 21 05:26:18 :P May 21 05:26:22 Nu-uh May 21 05:26:29 Where is X-Fade when you need him? May 21 05:26:38 Hiding, probably. May 21 05:26:40 Lazy bastard. May 21 05:26:47 I totally had the seconds counter right next to the screen :P May 21 05:26:47 The SSH certificate parsing at maemo.org side is broken again May 21 05:27:08 Got a request to change my certificate from him, pasted fresh certificate, kaboom, no longer works May 21 05:27:18 Besides, it _felt_ slow May 21 05:27:37 Navi: SMB simulates inertia a little bit. That is why it feels slow May 21 05:28:00 I occasionally speed run SMB May 21 05:28:03 I know what it feels like May 21 05:28:15 But if my fps counter says "no timer overruns, 58-62fps" then it IS 58-62fps =) May 21 05:28:20 Is the sound supposed to be studdery? May 21 05:28:38 studdery? :P May 21 05:28:44 it's not. still working on it though. May 21 05:28:53 stuttery May 21 05:28:56 http://www.answers.com/topic/studdery May 21 05:29:01 Learn something new every day. May 21 05:29:15 s/studdery/stuttery ? May 21 05:29:25 Sorry General Spelling May 21 05:29:36 rawr May 21 05:30:05 Navi: anyway, get a new version and check - it will also consume less cpu May 21 05:30:09 k May 21 05:30:22 may fix the sound problem afaik May 21 05:30:40 Navi, when are we gonna get a picture of you on the bus playing iNES with your Wiimote for thoughtfix's new article? :P May 21 05:31:17 I don't take the bus, but I'll get a friend to take one of me walking around campus some time May 21 05:31:47 How about you driving stick while playing iNES with your Wiimote? May 21 05:31:53 That'll work too May 21 05:35:21 with N810 hanging on a string from the ceiling May 21 05:35:31 RST38h, you know what happens when you remove the start button on the center dpad, right? May 21 05:35:50 Yeah May 21 05:35:51 BT keyboards stop working May 21 05:36:03 I have made a "fix" for that, of sorts May 21 05:36:10 This release fixed the speed problem May 21 05:36:47 Sound is luls, but the game is actually fun to play now May 21 05:37:27 The GDK_Return will continue to work, but you have to hold one of the modifiers for that (control, shift, or alt) May 21 05:38:30 We have a decent NES emulator now \o/ May 21 05:38:54 what's a nes? May 21 05:39:17 Obviously not a Kot May 21 05:40:50 RST38h, I have a suggestion May 21 05:41:19 ? May 21 05:41:23 It would be nice if A/B had an overlap area set up in which both buttons are pressed May 21 05:41:39 Kot: aka Dandy May 21 05:41:44 navi: good idea May 21 05:41:57 Navi: ! May 21 05:43:06 also, there is some black bar room on the right side to show exactly where select/b/ab/a/start are without getting in the way May 21 05:44:25 people might still complain, so it could always be a toggle feature if you feel like adding it May 21 05:44:45 Where do you need to press both a and b? May 21 05:45:22 Few games May 21 05:45:45 at the very top of my head since it's still fresh, mario May 21 05:46:00 Mario's at the top of your head? May 21 05:46:04 creepy. . . . May 21 05:46:05 on my nokia 770 w/ 0s2007HE, i installed a custom theme with custom buttons...but after uninstalling the custom theme...i cant get the original buttons back...how do i? May 21 05:46:23 corevette, the original icons? May 21 05:46:33 yes, on the left side May 21 05:46:37 both buttons in mario? why? how? May 21 05:46:40 and status bar icons May 21 05:46:46 was it star trek related or something? May 21 05:47:25 RST38h, to have complete jump control without having to let go of B for running May 21 05:47:31 qwerty12, Diablo update repo work for you? May 21 05:47:45 Also, in SMB3, you have the raccoon suit May 21 05:47:57 GeneralAntilles, Haven't tried it yet. But I have been getting those errors for a while and it's been working fine. May 21 05:48:07 In which you can flick your tail and jump at the same time May 21 05:48:27 or hover and flick your tail May 21 05:48:29 etcetc May 21 05:48:45 navi == furry? May 21 05:48:47 O.o May 21 05:49:27 KotCzarny, I love you May 21 05:49:43 :) May 21 05:50:50 RST38h, I have a few more mario-related examples, and I can give you some non-mario stuff once I look at a game list May 21 05:52:14 Charging and jumping at the same time in Mega Man May 21 05:54:18 actually it's a fitting idea May 21 05:54:27 because the way that touchscreen works May 21 05:54:43 ie. if you press it in two places x give you average x,y May 21 05:55:10 so it would be trivial to implement May 21 05:55:29 and would work even if a&b were pressed with 2 fingers May 21 05:56:15 Navi: I see May 21 05:56:27 qwerty: get a new copy of ines off the web pag May 21 05:56:39 RST38h, Will do May 21 05:56:41 Navi: do you have a solution to my problem? May 21 05:57:02 Oh, sorry about that. GeneralAntilles, don't you know how to fix this? May 21 05:57:03 :P May 21 05:57:19 Assuming it's LCARS, uninstall the lcars-extras package and reboot. May 21 06:09:25 qwerty12, it's totally faster May 21 06:09:28 and awesome May 21 06:09:45 Cool :) May 21 06:15:46 Is wiicontrol konttori's project? May 21 06:16:14 I think he works on it with jdiaz May 21 06:16:21 mmk May 21 06:16:22 They are both listed as admins of the project May 21 06:16:59 RST38h: ever hear my 'fix' for fceu NES emulator sound? (I fixed the problem eventually) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Iw6D4GF2bs#GU5U2spHI_4 May 21 06:18:00 ha, pun May 21 06:18:32 :) Navi May 21 06:18:58 :3 May 21 06:20:27 Now this is cool: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080520-intel-wants-to-pimp-your-ride-with-prodigious-penguin-power.html May 21 06:21:10 Weird May 21 06:21:20 I need a Hummer first May 21 06:21:22 http://www.kaosradioaustin.org/?q=gallery&g2_itemId=633 Dyn-O-Mite! May 21 06:21:47 There's no debian files for wiicontrol in the svn repo May 21 06:22:39 GeneralAntilles, Move to Texas and work for Nokia :p. Then we would see improvements... "Wow, GA beated me at commenting here about that post." May 21 06:23:29 or move to Helsinki. :) May 21 06:23:42 Helsinki would be the best bet May 21 06:23:55 Texas doesn't want GeneralAntilles anyways May 21 06:24:04 Now, I wouldn't mind moving to Helsinki but that's because I'm already in Europe. May 21 06:24:05 lol May 21 06:24:14 open source car? May 21 06:24:15 lol May 21 06:24:18 unlikely May 21 06:24:19 :) May 21 06:24:34 your next computer can be a big-ass table. May 21 06:24:36 SSH vulnerability means it can be like RC car... May 21 06:24:51 roope, woo May 21 06:24:57 roope: i prefer my computers to be portable May 21 06:24:58 :> May 21 06:25:04 You watched the MS Surface spoof too? May 21 06:25:06 well, at least one May 21 06:25:07 :) May 21 06:25:12 Yes, it's well made. May 21 06:25:19 agreed May 21 06:25:28 stolen technology May 21 06:25:30 as usual May 21 06:26:14 the only good thing is they popularize the idea May 21 06:26:42 Well. Apple "steals" just as much, but when apple does it, everybody cheers. May 21 06:28:06 * KotCzarny not May 21 06:28:31 Developing good ideas further. I don't really believe that it's usually stealing. Ideas are to be utilized. May 21 06:28:42 roope, ever heard about patents? May 21 06:29:08 In theory ideas are not patentable. At least in Europe. :) May 21 06:29:14 but note "in theory". May 21 06:29:18 do you believe m$ would give people free will to use ideas they have patents on? May 21 06:29:30 money, money, money May 21 06:29:43 Of course business is about money. May 21 06:29:53 bad idea May 21 06:29:53 It's not a charity. May 21 06:30:00 we are people May 21 06:30:25 in the end what would you use all that money if you die? May 21 06:30:30 or destroy your planet? May 21 06:30:30 :) May 21 06:30:40 Money enables building strong organizations that then permit you do to things that you couldn't otherwise do. May 21 06:31:01 Then again, Bill Gates is taking his money to good use. May 21 06:31:09 (with his foundation). May 21 06:33:01 another problem with money (and power in general) is that it corrupts May 21 06:33:55 Everything You Love You Owe to Capitalism http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/love-capitalism.html May 21 06:34:12 it's not only about capitalism May 21 06:34:25 it's true for any kind of power May 21 06:35:20 RST38h, can you change the key mappings for the keyboard? May 21 06:36:04 The sleepiest animal in the world is the koala, who sleeps 22 hours a day. May 21 06:36:05 o.o May 21 06:36:34 KotCzarny, Your record was beaten! May 21 06:36:44 apparently.. May 21 06:36:57 how do they procreate? May 21 06:37:09 2h/day leaves little time frame May 21 06:37:10 :) May 21 06:37:24 I don't really wish to find out :p May 21 06:37:34 "Television is the device that has changed a generation of youngsters from an irresistible force into immovable objects." May 21 06:37:34 - Anonymous May 21 06:38:28 i've been now without a television for about 2 years. it's highly recommendable. May 21 06:38:43 * KotCzarny is without tv since high school May 21 06:38:55 but hooked on the internet instead May 21 06:38:58 I've got a TV but I never watch it. I prefer watching stuff of my computer and the cinemas. May 21 06:39:50 Hehe, computers are the new TV. May 21 06:39:57 better May 21 06:40:04 because it's two way device May 21 06:40:12 tv sucks because it only programs you May 21 06:40:31 My favourite channels are things like mininova, rapidshare, mediafire etc May 21 06:41:16 i like irc May 21 06:42:12 well said KotCzarny May 21 06:42:30 hip hip hooray May 21 06:43:14 Tetris + Arm Wrestling = Tresling! May 21 06:43:15 o.o May 21 06:43:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2W7JX5D1Qs May 21 06:43:52 That's geekish and yet not so geekish May 21 06:44:18 reminds me of chessboxing May 21 06:44:19 :) May 21 06:44:53 hmm May 21 06:45:00 anyone wanna waste some time with xtris? May 21 06:46:31 (multiplayer tetris for those who don't know) May 21 06:48:21 all right, back May 21 06:49:20 KotCzarny: one of the most awful sounds in the world is a koala 'procreating' May 21 06:49:38 KotCzarny: its lucky they sleep that long, else you would have to listen to more of it May 21 06:49:53 Navi: you cant but it should not be much of a problem May 21 06:50:04 trickie_: how do you know it? :) May 21 06:50:06 mmk May 21 06:50:31 KotCzarny: im from .au and had them in my backyard when i was small May 21 06:50:37 KotCzarny: used to freak me out May 21 06:50:38 o.o May 21 06:50:45 got any recordings? May 21 06:50:56 >.< May 21 06:51:10 Kot: koala is also known for being on continuous pcp diet May 21 06:51:39 it is probably the only known narcoanimal in the world May 21 06:51:51 ha ha, luckily no, but im sure there is one on the interwebs somewhere, it usually takes most people by surprise May 21 06:52:10 ok May 21 06:52:13 found on youtube May 21 06:52:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezm6yAMw0ys May 21 06:52:33 :> May 21 06:52:52 enjoy :) May 21 06:52:52 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYad3WMFqJI&feature=related May 21 06:53:25 strange, indeed May 21 06:53:26 :) May 21 07:53:48 heh, http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/apr2008/gb20080430_764271.htm May 21 08:02:07 "At this moment I sent him an email asking if it would be possible to have the package installed on the device. He then said it was perfectly feasible, but not advisable, as the implementation makes heavily use of floating point operations." May 21 08:02:32 * RST38h wonders if a non-fp Vorbis codec exists at all =) May 21 08:03:06 RST38h: a.k.a. tremor? May 21 08:05:29 ok have a question if anyones in May 21 08:05:51 ie answering May 21 08:05:53 kulve: guess so May 21 08:05:59 good May 21 08:06:21 so any idea how to play files on a network share on mplayer May 21 08:06:43 mplayer http://somehost/somefile May 21 08:06:44 :) May 21 08:06:50 unless you talk about samba May 21 08:07:10 windows network share May 21 08:07:18 yes, samba May 21 08:07:26 so how would i go about it May 21 08:07:28 google for mplayer samba May 21 08:07:29 :) May 21 08:08:00 gmplayer smb://user : pass @ server/share/file.mpg (take out the spaces after smb) May 21 08:08:41 i was wondering if there isnt an easier without using the command line May 21 08:08:54 yes, you can try mounting the share May 21 08:08:56 :) May 21 08:08:59 yes, you can go directly to that Windows machine and click a mouse button May 21 08:09:00 mount -tsmbfs //server/share /mnt/FOLDER -o username=USERNAME_HERE,password=PASSWORD_HERE May 21 08:09:08 but you will need smb or cifs module May 21 08:09:34 interesting i can see the windows share from file explorer on the n800 May 21 08:09:46 the same way as mplayer May 21 08:09:55 and i can click on it and it will launch the default player May 21 08:09:59 but it needs app to be compiled with samba support May 21 08:10:06 however when i go into mplayer file open May 21 08:10:09 with mounting you can play them as local files May 21 08:10:13 and select it from there May 21 08:10:16 it dosent play May 21 08:10:17 wait May 21 08:10:26 i can see it witohut mounting May 21 08:10:28 you can install uPnP server on your windows machine May 21 08:10:38 :) May 21 08:10:40 And open stuff in the new Canola uPnP plugin! May 21 08:10:45 ah May 21 08:11:01 still ratherclunky May 21 08:11:19 and have canola scanning 200gb of files? May 21 08:11:20 :) May 21 08:11:22 fun! May 21 08:11:23 lol May 21 08:11:26 exactly May 21 08:11:27 :( May 21 08:11:34 make that 700gb May 21 08:11:36 :( May 21 08:11:48 and i remind you it's ~500-800kb/s May 21 08:11:49 :) May 21 08:11:56 due to spi bus :) May 21 08:12:05 Canola + UPnP is the route I would go. May 21 08:12:16 KotCzarny: nah, prism54 over SPI was a separate patch May 21 08:12:20 Kot: My assumptio is that the upnp server does the scanning May 21 08:12:20 * KotCzarny hates media libraries May 21 08:12:34 astorm: but wifi chip is so slow anyway May 21 08:12:37 is there no way of playing them over samba direct May 21 08:12:42 KotCzarny: sure it is ;P May 21 08:12:51 wifi: well, maybe not chip but transfers over it May 21 08:13:06 and i can see the file in the open dialog box in mplayer May 21 08:13:16 rst: i haven't seen upnp plugin in canola yet, so i can't comment how effective it is May 21 08:13:18 but clicking on it does nothing May 21 08:14:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjsiiHsgA_E May 21 08:14:29 lol May 21 08:14:44 has anyone else tried playing media files from the open dialog box in mplayer May 21 08:16:20 nobody? May 21 08:16:24 I think mplayer doesn't use gnome-vfs which is what the tablet uses for samba support May 21 08:16:50 ok May 21 08:17:22 you could just use mount.cifs or fuse+smbnetfs May 21 08:17:44 but you'd have to mount it from the CLI or a script when your WLAN connection comes up May 21 08:17:47 there is samba for fues? great May 21 08:17:48 :) May 21 08:17:51 fuse May 21 08:18:03 KotCzarny, there's two or three :) May 21 08:18:06 johnx: script can be put in menu :) May 21 08:18:43 actually I was thinking a nice script that got called by dbus-scripts when WLAN came up with the right SSID May 21 08:18:54 would make everything nice and automated :) May 21 08:19:03 :) May 21 08:19:10 assuming you want such automation May 21 08:19:16 gotcha all May 21 08:19:18 I do in fact :) May 21 08:19:23 thanks for suggestions May 21 08:19:51 After decades of US investments in China, it seems that the pendulum is swinging back. Today, many Chinese firms are pleasantly surprised to find that land, energy, and operating costs are actually cheaper in the United States as compared to China! May 21 08:19:51 on a side note has anyone noticed with the new version of mplayer the n800 is really a pmp May 21 08:19:52 lol May 21 08:19:55 sure. thanks for the nudge. I've been putting off getting this working, but I'll look at it on the train today May 21 08:20:08 the train May 21 08:20:12 is that on vpn May 21 08:20:25 nah, offline May 21 08:20:29 ah lol May 21 08:20:48 I think I can write the script without internet access...I've typed the same commands so many freaking times May 21 08:20:50 ive been trying to get openvpn working to little success May 21 08:20:53 I'll debug it when I get home May 21 08:20:58 yup makes sense May 21 08:21:01 Kot: I told you that would happen! May 21 08:21:14 grins May 21 08:21:26 Cheers to the new land of outsourcing - The United States of America! May 21 08:21:30 :> May 21 08:21:41 can u imagine the day when chinese banks outsource call centres to the us May 21 08:21:45 * RST38h , for once, has been working for our Chinese overlords for the last 3 years May 21 08:21:54 start learning mandarin guys May 21 08:22:02 mmr, that will be so painful for Chinese customers O_o May 21 08:22:06 lol May 21 08:22:12 nah, AIs are the future May 21 08:22:13 :) May 21 08:22:23 well it will be our revenge May 21 08:22:32 we suffered for years now it your turn May 21 08:22:34 Kot: Dan Simmons, Hyperion! May 21 08:22:53 mmr: You mean they wil have to deal with our broken mandarin? May 21 08:22:57 still, there will be shuffle in money deposits May 21 08:23:06 Spoken with Kentucky accent? May 21 08:23:08 yup May 21 08:23:10 ouch May 21 08:23:35 How do you say "Dear" in Chinese? =) May 21 08:24:04 in a callcentre do you hear the word dear often? May 21 08:24:25 * mmr rolls his eyes May 21 08:24:27 mmr: That is what you often hear from mid-western call centre workers May 21 08:24:31 lol May 21 08:24:43 Apparently, this is how they address customers there May 21 08:24:51 does that make them over 40 stay at home moms May 21 08:25:01 mmr: who would doubt? May 21 08:25:17 well May 21 08:25:23 that is what most us call center workers are, ain't they? May 21 08:25:28 lol May 21 08:25:32 i wouldnt know May 21 08:25:34 im form the uk May 21 08:25:37 im from May 21 08:25:51 and all our are indian May 21 08:25:57 under 30 May 21 08:26:06 and polite to an annoying level May 21 08:26:08 umgh May 21 08:26:19 As close to AI as it possibly gets? May 21 08:26:22 theres nothing like having a tiff on the phone to release tension May 21 08:26:31 yet they never oblige May 21 08:26:45 There is a way to deal with them May 21 08:26:50 ah May 21 08:26:53 get under the skin May 21 08:27:02 always play a porno vid in the background during your tech call May 21 08:27:03 Nope May 21 08:27:05 waits with baited breath May 21 08:27:10 lol May 21 08:27:13 You can't get under the skin of a guy like this May 21 08:27:23 :) May 21 08:27:25 But always remember that he follows a script when speaking to you May 21 08:27:34 * sp3000 hooks mmr's breath and goes fishing May 21 08:27:36 its kinda hard to forget May 21 08:27:44 So, your goal is to hack that Indian so that he hits an exception in his script May 21 08:27:49 ahh May 21 08:27:52 ai indeed May 21 08:27:55 'now reboot. but i did it 3 times. please reboot' May 21 08:27:56 :) May 21 08:28:04 Once the Indian hits an exception, he is supposed to transfer you to a higher level of support May 21 08:28:11 thanks sp3000 May 21 08:28:18 ah good point RST38h May 21 08:28:19 ive just brushed my teeth May 21 08:28:30 rst, ah, it's a game May 21 08:28:32 You can expect to speak with a Brit (or American in the US) starting with level 3 or 4 May 21 08:28:38 hmm May 21 08:28:38 and the winner gets his case resolved :) May 21 08:28:45 i think not May 21 08:28:46 yes, basically May 21 08:28:54 ive been transfered to higher indians May 21 08:28:58 and then higher May 21 08:29:05 mmr: at the end, you will still get a local May 21 08:29:06 till i speak to the prime minister May 21 08:29:10 At least this is how it works in the US May 21 08:29:23 who deals with all REALLY bad call centre problems May 21 08:29:37 mmr: When you speak with that prime minister, ask them to nuke that Pakistan already May 21 08:29:41 lol May 21 08:29:44 tsk tsk May 21 08:29:51 is there a script for that? May 21 08:29:58 mmr: We have all bought gas masks and dark glasses and are eagerly awaiting the fireworks! May 21 08:30:14 * mmr shakes his head May 21 08:30:31 /exec -o ~/nuke_france.sh May 21 08:30:37 oops May 21 08:30:45 lol May 21 08:30:46 hey, don't destroy the cheese May 21 08:31:20 or the wine May 21 08:31:33 (and no, we still need Finland, in case it were your next favorite target) May 21 08:31:35 * pupnik loves france May 21 08:31:50 but all nokias are made elsewhere today May 21 08:31:52 soooo May 21 08:34:08 where is the modules directory for os2008? May 21 08:34:21 it doesn't matter as much where they are made, but where they are designed May 21 08:35:13 legind: kernel modules? In the default installation? In initfs May 21 08:35:32 and I can copy the modules I want there to modprobe them? May 21 08:35:49 no May 21 08:36:03 for that you need to install them properly in the right place May 21 08:36:04 but you can copy them to /lib/modules May 21 08:36:09 then you can modprobe them May 21 08:36:09 :) May 21 08:36:21 aha! thanks KotCzarny May 21 08:36:22 assuming modules.dep is updated May 21 08:37:22 I think installing the module with INSTALL_MOD_PATH and then copying them to the device should work? May 21 08:37:23 try: cp -a /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/* /lib/modules May 21 08:37:25 modules May 21 08:37:57 KotCzarny: I don't think modbrobe looks modules directly under /lib/modules May 21 08:38:15 kulve: there is 2.something dir in that initfs dir May 21 08:38:34 so this line is correct May 21 08:38:36 :) May 21 08:38:40 ah, yes May 21 08:39:01 but I still think the INSTALL_MOD_PATH would be the correct way to do it May 21 08:39:08 :) May 21 08:39:16 not sure how that handles any existing modules though.. May 21 08:42:31 im getting: cp: cannot create directory '/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1': No such file or directory May 21 08:42:45 mkdir /lib/modules then May 21 08:42:48 then cp May 21 08:43:50 then copy my desired new modules , depmod -a, and modprobe? May 21 08:44:07 i don't know if depmod is available May 21 08:44:14 so you will probably have to edit it by hand May 21 08:44:20 or create it somewhere else May 21 08:44:21 :) May 21 08:44:31 but syntax is trivial May 21 08:44:46 no depmod May 21 08:45:45 i don't need to depmod then? May 21 08:46:22 you can edit it by hand May 21 08:47:23 ah modules.dep May 21 09:04:32 http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/284/0/b/Extra_Value_Combo_Alpha_by_Lysol_Jones.jpg May 21 09:04:32 :) May 21 09:12:32 hi. any objective suggestions on sdhc cards? transcend/patriot/sandisk/kingston? May 21 09:12:41 morning May 21 09:12:47 mysc: avoid kingston ones May 21 09:12:51 hello hrw May 21 09:12:58 hrw: why? May 21 09:13:06 sandisk. use plain sd adapter if you have to. May 21 09:13:12 KotCzarny: because they are very random quality May 21 09:13:23 hrw: any more info? May 21 09:13:24 SanDisk is stupidly overpriced. May 21 09:13:35 I've used a lot of Transcends and they've always been fine for me. May 21 09:13:40 KotCzarny: most of my problems with sd cards (i/o errors, timeouts) were with kingston cards May 21 09:13:41 not if you buy it via mail order May 21 09:13:49 sandisk is overpriced. and i've had issues with kingston ddr ram...so im not surprised to hear about shoddy sd's May 21 09:13:50 hmm May 21 09:13:58 KotCzarny: not to mention that kingston only brand cards not manufacture May 21 09:13:59 Compared to the other brands it's still overpriced. May 21 09:14:00 i have 2 kingston sdhc cards May 21 09:14:02 hrw: don't buy in Eastern Europe May 21 09:14:04 and both are fine May 21 09:14:07 slow, but fine May 21 09:14:18 (4 and 8gb) May 21 09:14:21 hrw: 'case resellers will just buy a box of cheapest chinese cards and sell it to you May 21 09:14:35 RST38h: same in .us May 21 09:14:39 hrw: and the labelling does not mean a thing May 21 09:14:39 do I simply put all the modules in modules.dep with a colon after them? i'm not sure about the dependencies May 21 09:14:51 so between patriot/transcend/a-data, any one significantly better? May 21 09:14:55 hrw: easier to get sued in us May 21 09:15:07 legind: just run 'depmod' May 21 09:15:11 hrw: lots of lawyers just waiting for a case like that May 21 09:15:35 RST38h: I have no problem with other cards May 21 09:15:39 oh, another thing, are the cleartouch protectors any good? May 21 09:15:44 RST38h: even my noname 1GB card works everywhere May 21 09:15:49 hrw, I thought I had to hand craft it May 21 09:15:51 mysc: brando ones? May 21 09:16:01 hrw: means you have been buying them from a decent place =) May 21 09:16:10 depmod isn't available May 21 09:16:14 ClearTouch(tm) May 21 09:16:15 RST38h: any random shop May 21 09:16:29 by boxwave, i think. May 21 09:16:42 mysc, I have 3. May 21 09:16:44 They're fantastic May 21 09:16:48 I recommend the anti-glare, though. May 21 09:16:56 Here's something unexpected about the rising price of gasoline: old mechanical pumps were designed during the time when $4 per gallon was simply unthinkable, so the rotary dials didn't have gears to go beyond $3.99 a gallon! May 21 09:16:57 :> May 21 09:16:58 great!. do you also have their rubberized condom for the n800? May 21 09:17:07 The Brando ones are knock-offs. May 21 09:17:12 * RST38h has the cleartouch - very difficult to apply at least on n810 May 21 09:17:18 mysc, it blocks the stand and ports May 21 09:17:22 i.e. useless May 21 09:17:34 shit. thanx, that goes off the cart. May 21 09:17:58 so what do i use to replace the nokia standard "grandma eyeglass case" that i got w/ my n800? May 21 09:18:12 For a pocket case? Dunno May 21 09:18:13 depends on what you need it for May 21 09:18:24 For a backpack case, I like the case logic 2.5" hard drive case. May 21 09:18:29 I ordered a leather case from the same Boxwave May 21 09:18:34 to protect it. there's a metallic case boxwave makes for the n810...nothing for the n800 though :( May 21 09:18:44 it does block USB and the stand, but I do not use these May 21 09:18:56 Stand is the best feature. May 21 09:19:14 ga: not on a bus :) May 21 09:19:22 * KotCzarny rarely uses usb and stand May 21 09:19:32 It's great for reading ebooks on the couch May 21 09:19:46 Lie on my side, set the N800 on the coffee table with the stand open. May 21 09:19:55 true, but you can just set the device against a pillow. Crude but works May 21 09:20:02 and get a neck twist? ;P May 21 09:20:05 No it doesn't May 21 09:20:05 can I get depmod for os2008? May 21 09:20:12 You move around and it falls over May 21 09:20:17 works for me May 21 09:20:20 legind: you don't need it, but if you want it, it's a major mod May 21 09:20:24 AStorm, FBReader rotates. . . . May 21 09:20:29 does not easily fall over when in a leather case May 21 09:20:30 hrmm, so i thought mebbe flash-3.0 would not work on my slack box but it was like a charm May 21 09:20:35 GeneralAntilles: but you still get a neck twist ;P May 21 09:20:56 AStorm, I'm not sure how to hand-craft depmod based on this May 21 09:21:03 AStorm: Our necks are permanently twisted by now, so it does not matter May 21 09:21:04 why do you need that? May 21 09:21:11 RST38h: :P May 21 09:22:11 okay, so cleartouch in, n800 condom out, what else should i get? a replacement battery is $59!!! (and btw, nokia website no longer even features n800 for accessory search or compatability cross-checks) May 21 09:22:30 You can get batteries cheaper. May 21 09:22:41 cheaper != better May 21 09:22:53 BP-5L is cheap May 21 09:22:54 mysc: Get the largest SDHC card you can find under $80 May 21 09:23:08 even the original one May 21 09:23:08 mysc: Also spend another $80 for an Apple BT keyboard May 21 09:23:23 RST, was gonna go iGo... May 21 09:23:28 Shiny, made of aluminIum May 21 09:23:35 mysc: yes, that's great too May 21 09:23:38 Apple is much cuter May 21 09:23:47 and not as foldable May 21 09:23:57 Does not matter, it's flat May 21 09:24:01 i like how small the igo gets May 21 09:24:04 does, it's not pocketable May 21 09:24:11 Also, you can cut OR hit people with it May 21 09:24:14 almost as small as the n800 May 21 09:24:30 I don't have the problem... N810 ;P May 21 09:24:36 the probability of you carrying a keyboard AND an N800 everywhere is slim May 21 09:24:48 astorm, i ditched mine May 21 09:24:48 So, it does not necessarily have to be pocketable May 21 09:24:59 mysc: why? May 21 09:25:28 well, it was defective so i had an out...but while testing it i realized the kb was not worth the doubling in price May 21 09:25:45 it isn't May 21 09:25:48 the screen is May 21 09:26:03 screen on the 800 is perfectly good. May 21 09:26:09 not in sunlight May 21 09:26:22 i melt in sunlight :) May 21 09:26:33 Vampire... May 21 09:26:36 hah May 21 09:26:47 * AStorm urges everyone to whip out holy water May 21 09:26:52 mebbe when the n810 is $200 i'll pick one up May 21 09:27:21 it's 350 euro here or so May 21 09:27:32 what's that like $400? May 21 09:27:37 more May 21 09:27:58 yeah May 21 09:28:02 in usa right now it ranges from about $395 - $450 May 21 09:28:08 1eur ~ 1.5usd May 21 09:28:12 or even 2usd May 21 09:28:14 (soon) May 21 09:29:03 astorm, i agree, it's nice. but 800 is the right one for me. May 21 09:29:19 it's not for me, too large and not sleek enough May 21 09:29:39 still, I need a kernel driver/keymap for the console and hw keyboard May 21 09:29:51 basic qwerty works, but not Fn key :> May 21 09:29:57 ?? May 21 09:30:02 you're not in os2008? May 21 09:30:08 :) May 21 09:30:12 I am in and not. :-) May 21 09:30:21 so you compiled your own kernel? May 21 09:30:26 yes May 21 09:30:27 AStorm: Debian? ;) May 21 09:30:31 RST38h: no May 21 09:30:36 want to get Gentoo onto it May 21 09:30:36 astorm: how is 2.6.25 ? May 21 09:30:46 KotCzarny: well, ask me tomorrow May 21 09:30:51 k May 21 09:30:55 maybe today evening May 21 09:31:09 still, I'd like a proper Linux keymap for the keyboard May 21 09:31:14 i don't think i'd wanna compile a new kernel for os08, i'd go with a debian install May 21 09:31:24 mysc: good choice May 21 09:31:34 anyone know if people are actively porting slackware to armel? May 21 09:31:37 I'd actually take 2.6.22 + new CPU scheduler May 21 09:31:41 mysc: they aren't May 21 09:32:00 AStorm: cfs? it has backort to 2.6.21 iirc May 21 09:32:01 that's too bad. that would be an awesome little machine...a slack n800 May 21 09:32:07 hrw: gimme May 21 09:32:14 esp. the newest version May 21 09:32:21 last backport I know is ancient May 21 09:32:25 (and has bugs) May 21 09:32:35 bugs aren't fun May 21 09:32:49 not as bad as the O(1) sched bugs ;P May 21 09:33:15 I could actually ask Ingo for a backport and would probably get it... May 21 09:33:28 but for that, I need to remember my pass to that other shell :P May 21 09:34:04 alternatively, I could cherry-pick out of git tree... work-intensive May 21 09:34:24 what's the best way to root my tablet? May 21 09:34:28 ssh May 21 09:34:54 sched-cfs-v2.6.21.7-v24.1.patch ... May 21 09:35:01 that's fairly recent May 21 09:35:14 it's from 2.6.24-rc5 May 21 09:35:26 I could pick all patches since then May 21 09:35:28 http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=3101 May 21 09:35:29 lol May 21 09:35:35 hrm May 21 09:35:37 21.7 May 21 09:35:42 could be incompatible May 21 09:35:42 :) May 21 09:35:50 ~root May 21 09:35:53 extra, extra, read all about it, root is not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. May 21 09:36:06 hah May 21 09:36:07 KotCzarny: we can patch 2.6.21-omap to 2.6.21.7 ;p May 21 09:36:08 ~easyroot May 21 09:36:09 easyroot is probably an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com May 21 09:36:11 ~becomeroot May 21 09:36:11 from memory, becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto May 21 09:36:27 ~ssh May 21 09:36:28 methinks ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent, or a way of telling someone to be quiet May 21 09:36:35 !!! May 21 09:36:45 stupid bot May 21 09:36:46 :) May 21 09:36:57 KotCzarny: it's not stupid, it's waaay too smart May 21 09:37:04 infobot: are you stupid or something? May 21 09:37:11 you see? ;P May 21 09:37:15 i have ssh client/server on there already. gonna go to nitapps now. i guess gainroot get's patched to not check for RD? May 21 09:37:16 ~stupid May 21 09:37:17 it has been said that stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif May 21 09:37:20 ;) May 21 09:37:25 ~smart May 21 09:37:26 i guess smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure May 21 09:37:27 ~rlart May 21 09:37:29 * infobot beats grape into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy May 21 09:37:59 infobot: you're mad May 21 09:38:05 ;P May 21 09:38:17 ~mad May 21 09:38:18 methinks mad is Rob Leslie's MPEG Audio Decoder, GPL, at http://www.mars.org/home/rob/proj/mpeg/ May 21 09:38:30 ~astorm May 21 09:38:30 ~fail May 21 09:38:31 Sorry, astorm, you have failed. May 21 09:38:51 infobot: yes, you suck! May 21 09:38:51 Sorry! May 21 09:39:09 ok, enough torturing for a while May 21 09:39:15 wow, the guy has ported some nice tools (nitapps) May 21 09:39:25 thanks for the url May 21 09:39:26 KotCzarny: could I get btrfs-progs from you? May 21 09:39:34 astorm: mad deps May 21 09:39:36 afair May 21 09:39:38 latest git, which doesn't hang? May 21 09:39:40 not mad May 21 09:39:45 just e2fsprogs/libss May 21 09:39:48 and segfaults qemu/gcc May 21 09:39:50 :) May 21 09:39:55 wtf? May 21 09:40:10 i don't remember the fix someone suggested May 21 09:40:13 that was unexpected May 21 09:40:23 ah, the memset instead of pointer May 21 09:40:52 *foo = NULL -> memset(foo, 0, sizeof footype) May 21 09:41:27 how do you install os2008 to a qemu image file? May 21 09:41:40 mysc: you don't, there's a ready-made image :> May 21 09:41:47 sweet, who made it? May 21 09:41:50 oh, have to fly May 21 09:41:51 Nokia May 21 09:43:59 ah i see, part of the sdk. makes sense. May 21 09:44:27 okay, cheers all. May 21 09:48:36 ./arm-none-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -luuid May 21 09:48:45 but i have libuuid.so.1 in /lib May 21 09:48:46 hrm May 21 09:48:56 ldconfig, run it May 21 09:49:21 and you do not have libuuid.so which ld search for May 21 09:49:41 ldconfig ran May 21 09:49:48 but didn't created required symlink May 21 09:49:57 :P May 21 09:50:03 and /lib is in /etc/ld.so.conf May 21 09:50:11 ~fail KotCzarny May 21 09:50:12 KotCzarny: FAIL! May 21 09:50:12 and i have write rights to /etc May 21 09:50:20 not me but ldconfig May 21 09:50:22 in sbox May 21 09:50:22 :) May 21 09:50:41 sbox... May 21 09:50:54 :) May 21 09:51:46 0.14-1 May 21 09:52:29 get from usual location May 21 09:52:35 KotCzarny: each time when I see 'sbox' and 'problem' I switch to other channel May 21 09:52:51 hrw: well, at least this one was trivial to fix May 21 09:52:52 :) May 21 09:53:12 and i really like sb1 because it keeps host os from breakage May 21 09:54:15 I prefer normal cross compilation May 21 09:54:36 as i said, i feel safer with sb1 May 21 09:54:37 :) May 21 09:55:03 each of use prefer other perversions May 21 10:03:07 * RST38h feels screwed with sb1 May 21 10:03:27 sb2 is more sane May 21 10:04:47 well, sb1 works for me, and that's all that matters May 21 10:05:22 Do you also use the autoconf/automake stuff? May 21 10:05:40 probably May 21 10:45:37 Hello May 21 10:46:03 I flashed yesterday an initfs image which GeneralAntilles prepared for me May 21 10:46:37 Now, I can see in Control Panel->About product, that the version of the operating system is no longer available May 21 10:46:42 is this important? May 21 10:46:55 is it due to the initfs flash? May 21 10:47:40 maybe May 21 10:49:20 may be important? :-) May 21 10:50:02 you can always flash original initfs May 21 10:50:03 :) May 21 10:51:25 well, I suppose I should flash original initfs from nokia, and then use fanoush initfs utilities in order to create my own booting menu May 21 10:51:43 :) May 21 10:52:22 btw, should I use the same version of initfs than the version of OS2008? May 21 10:52:40 I mean, in the nokia servers, only the latest version is available (51.3) May 21 10:52:44 jdiaz, you can just flash fanoush's over the one I gave you May 21 10:52:52 in my tablet I have 51.2 May 21 10:52:54 and, no, it doesn't mean anything. May 21 10:53:22 My tablet has variously had a version and no version many times over the past year with seemingly no relation to anything. May 21 10:53:43 jdiaz: changelog should answer your question, but i believe initfs is identical in both versions May 21 10:53:50 GA, if I can directly flash the fanoush version, why was your image required? May 21 10:54:05 Because you didn't have root access. :P May 21 10:54:13 hm May 21 10:54:39 but I thought that fanoush's version required root access only when flashing from the tablet May 21 10:54:47 yes May 21 10:54:57 yesterday I flashed from the PC May 21 10:55:00 You have to generate the initfs May 21 10:55:04 With his flasher tool May 21 10:55:09 aha May 21 10:55:10 Which runs on the tablet May 21 10:55:24 So I generated one on mine and tossed it over to you. May 21 10:55:34 and if I do that today, wouldn't be your initfs what I would generate? May 21 10:55:36 Once you have the image, you can flash from either the PC or the tablet. May 21 10:55:45 Nope May 21 10:55:57 Just set up the bootmenu.conf how you want it and generate a new one May 21 10:56:07 I'm a bit lost. I thought that my original initfs was lost forever May 21 10:56:29 jdiaz: can flash it back from the nokia FIASCO image May 21 10:56:40 jdiaz: cause i assume it was the stock standard one May 21 10:56:57 GA, wait... initfs not only contains the bootmenu, it also contains a lot of binaries May 21 10:57:13 Yeah, that would be the explanation May 21 10:57:24 jdiaz: if you have the nokia image you can use the flasher to only flash the initfs from nokia May 21 10:57:31 I assume that my current initfs is based on the binaries you had in your initfs May 21 10:57:42 jdiaz: correct May 21 10:58:12 and in general it is a bit dangerous to flash in one tablet the initfs generated in another tablet May 21 10:58:20 because the versions could not match May 21 10:58:26 jdiaz: and if you want the standard one released by nokia you can get the nokia image and only flash the initfs back May 21 10:58:27 not really May 21 10:58:33 because you can always flash from pc May 21 10:58:38 trickie, I know, thanks May 21 10:58:43 even if you write mp3 over initfs May 21 10:58:47 I'm only trying to understand May 21 10:59:00 You mean rootfs and initfs versions? May 21 10:59:11 KotCzarny, yes, I understand. You are refering again to original nokia images May 21 10:59:42 jdiaz: i refer to anything you would like to write to initfs partition May 21 10:59:43 :) May 21 10:59:52 jdiaz: id get the initfs-making script and check it out, might make it clearer May 21 11:00:17 trickie_, fanoush's one? May 21 11:00:20 but yes what you said was correct, your initfs is made from the binaries etc that are on GA's inifs at the time he made it May 21 11:00:23 jdiaz: yep May 21 11:00:50 I think I understand May 21 11:01:02 so it would be wise to reflash the nokia original initfs May 21 11:01:13 and then use fanoush's scripts to build my own initfs May 21 11:01:15 even as an excercise May 21 11:01:16 :) May 21 11:01:36 jdiaz: yep May 21 11:02:35 well, I'll do so as soon as I have again the usb cable which I forgot in my car :-) May 21 11:07:48 there is any document explaining the booting process in the tablet? May 21 11:08:58 nolo -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs May 21 11:09:18 I'm reading now about the linux booting process May 21 11:09:27 is initfs equivalent to initrd? May 21 11:09:31 yes May 21 11:10:43 nolo is kind of grub? May 21 11:10:48 yes May 21 11:11:01 pieces are fitting May 21 11:12:35 can be nolo be flashed independently? May 21 11:12:46 yes May 21 11:12:58 but no one have done it, yet May 21 11:13:11 :) May 21 11:13:16 you would need to be sure it would work May 21 11:13:24 on the first try May 21 11:13:27 i guess that it is the xloader.bin in the nokia's images May 21 11:13:38 or have other mean of flashing it later May 21 11:14:00 aha.. I think I can see why May 21 11:14:02 because if you break nolo, usb flashing won't work anymore May 21 11:14:23 booting too obviously May 21 11:14:23 ;) May 21 11:14:24 nolo is on charge of executing the code which flashes on the tablet May 21 11:14:40 nolo is appropriately named May 21 11:14:45 nolo = finnish for embarassing May 21 11:14:50 :) May 21 11:15:06 jaska: does lilo have any meaning in finnish? May 21 11:15:11 or grub? May 21 11:15:13 naah May 21 11:15:13 also fiasco is properly named? :-) May 21 11:15:23 yeah :) May 21 11:15:36 fiasco isn't a nokia product May 21 11:15:52 well, arm7 port is :) May 21 11:16:53 what is fiasco? the flasher? May 21 11:17:05 nope May 21 11:17:13 format/os name May 21 11:17:14 :) May 21 11:17:20 KotCzarny: lilo is Linux Loader May 21 11:17:30 saviq: i know May 21 11:17:43 also a Disney's character :-) May 21 11:17:47 http://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/fiasco/ May 21 11:18:25 KotCzarny: no one?? May 21 11:18:51 hrw: at least no reports of such :) May 21 11:18:59 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/22/resolving-power-on-drama/ May 21 11:19:18 KotCzarny: I flashed nolo and xloader when 51.3 was released May 21 11:19:20 so fiasco is a particular implementation of the linux kernel? May 21 11:19:32 sudo flasher --flash --reboot \ May 21 11:19:33 --xloader xloader.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 \ May 21 11:19:33 --secondary secondary.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 May 21 11:19:33 --2nd 2nd.bin-RX-44:0801,0802,0803,0804,0805,0806,0901,0902 May 21 11:19:44 jdiaz: fiasco is container for kernel/bootloader/rootfs May 21 11:19:59 hrw, well, i was referring to flashing nolo with something else May 21 11:20:01 :) May 21 11:20:14 ah - that one May 21 11:20:30 hrw: according to the site i posted it's a whole rtos May 21 11:20:30 :) May 21 11:20:47 KotCzarny: I would not replace nolo without jtag and serial cables May 21 11:21:08 KotCzarny: and for those you have to be in nokia hw team May 21 11:21:12 hrw: that's why i have said no one reflashed it :) May 21 11:21:36 (with a replacement, that is) May 21 11:21:51 KotCzarny: as there is no replacement... May 21 11:22:15 hrw: who knows what's brewing in hackers hands :) May 21 11:23:13 ;) May 21 11:25:22 * jdiaz is digging in the nokia's initfs image, mounted on a linux box May 21 11:25:39 which format logo-nokia is? May 21 11:25:51 I would like to be able to forget about initfs.. May 21 11:27:06 I guess that it is a kind of framebuffer dump May 21 11:27:11 jdiaz: probably png May 21 11:27:12 :) May 21 11:27:28 not png, at least not recognized as such by file May 21 11:27:44 well, there are few images that are used during boot May 21 11:27:59 one in nolo, few in initfs and few in rootfs May 21 11:28:16 and you can replace those in intifs and rootfs May 21 11:28:49 the nokia theme sound is in rootfs? May 21 11:28:58 hrw: actually initfs is ok, because kernel people kicked out much stuff from kernel to userland May 21 11:29:41 KotCzarny: s/initfs/initfs contents (binary daemons) May 21 11:29:49 ah, yes May 21 11:30:14 closedness is a fun stopper May 21 11:37:36 # May 21 11:37:38 dep: libmysqlclient15off May 21 11:37:44 what a nice dependency May 21 11:37:46 :) May 21 11:42:06 I assume that the programs in initfs' /bin/ are closed May 21 11:42:18 i mean, source code not available May 21 11:42:20 some May 21 11:42:21 :) May 21 11:42:28 i think busybox is available May 21 11:42:29 ;) May 21 11:42:51 for example, show_image May 21 11:43:07 i bet it simply uses /dev/fb May 21 11:43:08 :) May 21 11:43:20 probably May 21 11:43:28 strings reports /dev/fb on it May 21 11:44:05 Is the indt iphone-like virtual keyboard available somewhere? May 21 11:45:23 interesting... strings on show_image found this: May 21 11:45:28 "Unable to allocate memory for image rle data" May 21 11:45:39 so the format is rle indeed May 21 11:46:14 bmp? May 21 11:46:14 :) May 21 11:46:20 :) May 21 11:46:28 not any format recognized by file May 21 11:47:00 i tried to remove some initial bytes (possible propietary header), but the result is still not recognized May 21 11:48:32 what are you trying to do? May 21 11:48:44 initial nokia logo is on the screen ~1s May 21 11:48:45 :) May 21 11:48:53 but its annoying :) May 21 11:49:04 is it? May 21 11:49:05 :) May 21 11:49:05 i always hated it on my phone (but that one was animated and took time) May 21 11:49:20 are we talking about the same logo? May 21 11:49:27 the touching hands? May 21 11:49:33 no hands on mine May 21 11:49:49 as i said, just tweak initfs/rootfs May 21 11:49:50 :) May 21 11:58:14 Saviq: http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ May 21 12:00:43 trickie is that 'current'? May 21 12:00:56 And usable at all? May 21 12:02:02 Saviq: not really, it needs to be hooked into the gui toolkits as an input method May 21 12:02:52 yeah that's what I thought May 21 12:03:31 Saviq: for mamona the indt guys are tryig to get matchbox-keyboard working May 21 12:03:36 Saviq: http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/ May 21 12:04:21 i beleive that has a input method integration with gtk already, and they are doing it also with the efl libs May 21 12:04:26 but don't quote me :) May 21 12:28:30 matchbox-keyboard is nicely integrated with gtk May 21 12:32:44 hrw: do you use that as input for poky? May 21 12:33:40 trickie_: yes May 21 12:34:58 Anyone know if its possible to or how to set mplayer as the default video player on os2006? I've tried searching google but not been able to find anything useful. May 21 12:39:21 The acronym "LAMR" is occasionally used, to indicate Ruby on Rails in place of PHP. May 21 12:39:23 lamer? May 21 12:39:25 lol May 21 12:49:50 anyone tried stateful firewall on maemo? May 21 12:50:22 not yet, but kernel has an option for conntrack May 21 12:50:33 so probably it's possible May 21 12:50:34 :) May 21 12:51:22 I've compiled it as module and loaded it, but it says all packets are in INVALID state May 21 12:51:26 which is not too nice May 21 12:51:45 interesting May 21 12:52:08 more modules needed? May 21 12:52:14 I think the whole firewall stuff is cpu independant. Maybe you've just configure something wrong in the kernel..? May 21 12:52:30 Maybe, can't just figure out what May 21 12:52:48 enable anything you can as modules May 21 12:52:50 :> May 21 12:52:53 have you compared your .config with one from e.g. you home computer? May 21 12:53:09 typoti typo May 21 12:53:15 sure have May 21 12:54:45 http://www.gronmayer.com/it <--- this site seem not normal May 21 12:54:56 k-fox, yes, and? May 21 12:55:06 * Jaffa is glad to see that the "ITTSS" thread on ITT has an equally negative reaction as it did on maemo-dev. GeneralAntilles speaketh muchos sense. May 21 12:55:30 'sensos' May 21 12:55:50 Indeed. May 21 12:56:26 apt-get install vncviewer <--- is it correct? May 21 12:56:28 I'm hoping I didn't kill Reggie entirely on the idea. May 21 12:56:43 With syndication, it'd be workable. May 21 12:57:10 hand picked software reviews? May 21 12:57:55 He is right about Canola, although it may have more to do with that crazy guy Handful than itT. :D May 21 12:58:18 But it's true that Garage and Downloads suck for active discussion. May 21 12:59:00 post 'talk page for garage enhancement' bug then? May 21 12:59:45 I just wish Reggie had considered discussing it with the community beforehand so we could've avoided all the negativity. <_< May 21 13:01:29 where is vnc client install"? May 21 13:01:51 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ May 21 13:01:53 k-fox: try maemo.org extras or garage May 21 13:02:50 GeneralAntilles: it's worked for Canola because they don't have any of the resources a normal project has (e.g. mailing lists/forums) May 21 13:03:03 Partially because they can't/shouldn't be on garage as it's not OSS May 21 13:03:54 jaffa: but they failed a little creating section 'canola' May 21 13:04:10 'indt' could be understandable May 21 13:04:13 Indeed May 21 13:04:21 but canola? doh May 21 13:33:31 guys anyone here has ever played with threads in pymaemo? May 21 13:42:11 hi. anyone familiar with pymaemo? May 21 13:43:59 so, who tried upgrading kernel-diablo-flasher? May 21 13:44:14 probably qwerty12 May 21 13:44:15 :) May 21 13:44:26 too much updates, i'm scared May 21 13:44:33 disq, I dunno May 21 13:44:35 then don't do it May 21 13:44:41 and wait for official release May 21 13:44:43 :) May 21 13:44:43 I'm imagining Application manager might've invoked it May 21 13:44:50 but my initfs is still fanoush's May 21 13:45:46 I flashed the kernel last time around without issue. May 21 13:46:23 * Jaffa wonders: if N810W release pushed back a couple of months due to WiMAX rollout issues, will Diablo be post-poned too? May 21 13:46:30 Is it really so that in order to install Python, one must put the device into R&D mode and then use gainroot? May 21 13:46:52 eero: not really May 21 13:46:59 it is said so here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html May 21 13:47:12 eero: no, you install an app which requires it and you get it for free (if said app has its dependencies configured correctly) May 21 13:47:19 eero: i have never used r&d mode May 21 13:47:26 and i have python on my n800 May 21 13:48:09 though i have redpill mode enabled :) May 21 13:48:21 jaffa: I tried to install about 10 different python .deb package from garage.maemo.org ..the all had python dependency defined but the python is not installed May 21 13:48:31 automatically May 21 13:48:50 eero: have you actually tried installing using app-man ? May 21 13:48:57 or by downloading .deb ? May 21 13:49:02 eero: you can use app-man May 21 13:49:07 the application I need are not listed on app-man May 21 13:49:17 eero: then install canola May 21 13:49:24 it should suck python for you May 21 13:49:33 (then you can remove canola if you don't like it) May 21 13:49:49 not all the python packages May 21 13:50:27 what's your problem then? May 21 13:50:28 :) May 21 13:53:27 I'm just wondering whether it is possible to create a .deb package that (when run from AI) installs automatically all python dependencies .. May 21 13:53:35 yes May 21 13:53:44 that's called meta-package May 21 13:53:56 for example ssh is such package May 21 13:54:10 (it will install ssh-server and ssh-client) May 21 13:54:59 # DO NOT FALL FOR THE TEMPTATION TO MV INTO PACKAGES OR DOOM May 21 13:54:59 # WILL FIND YOU. Use dh_install, this is just because dh_install May 21 13:54:59 # can't rename files May 21 13:55:01 lol May 21 13:55:24 some debian/rules comments are funny :) May 21 13:56:10 can you point any python application (.dep) from garage.maemo.org that installs python dependencies... I have found none.. May 21 13:56:54 eero: canola May 21 13:56:54 i mean .deb May 21 13:57:01 ok, i will try May 21 13:57:06 just a second May 21 13:57:07 or anything with py in the name May 21 13:57:13 Hi May 21 13:57:14 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html May 21 13:57:50 Such a ridiculous installation method May 21 13:57:57 they should be shot for that. May 21 13:58:06 R&D mode? :shudder: May 21 13:58:27 morning May 21 13:58:31 Well, most of the time people shouldn't be installing Python directly. May 21 13:58:57 unless they want to learn/create something in it? May 21 13:58:58 :) May 21 13:59:12 guys quick question on the python topic May 21 13:59:24 I have a multithreaded app written python for linux May 21 13:59:37 KotCzarny: indeed, but then people should be able to figure out how to get root May 21 13:59:55 eero: ow many packages from garage would pass lintian check? May 21 13:59:57 which I am trying to port over using pymaemo, but it chokes as soon as I try to start a thread May 21 14:00:09 does pymamemo support multithreading? May 21 14:00:29 * KotCzarny uses ssh root@0 May 21 14:00:30 :) May 21 14:00:37 simboss: a question for the pymaemo mailing list, I'd guess. I'd be surprised if it doesn't. May 21 14:00:38 Reggie's got his pity party hat on now. . . . <_< May 21 14:00:49 jaffa: me too :-) May 21 14:01:04 GeneralAntilles: awww, diddums May 21 14:01:04 ga: at least he will have time to do something else :) May 21 14:03:06 simboss, is it a pygtk app or are you porting it from another toolkit? May 21 14:03:13 pygtk May 21 14:05:43 * Cptnodegard is reading for exams on his n800 May 21 14:13:02 ok.. I tried to install maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/mclock Application Manager says that it cannot be installed because python2.5 is missing May 21 14:13:16 os2007? May 21 14:14:32 http://radare.nopcode.org/img/maemo/ 0.9.6 released :) with more maemo pleasure May 21 14:14:58 same with maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock May 21 14:15:31 ok, enable extras? May 21 14:16:34 it is enabled.. the problem is that .deb files don't automatically install python ..the only possibility is to install python manually and it reaures r&d mode .. May 21 14:16:53 requires May 21 14:16:59 http://radare.nopcode.org/get/radare_0.9.6_armel.deb May 21 14:17:01 are you sure extras is enabled? May 21 14:17:07 yes, im sure May 21 14:17:18 if you go to repos list is extras icon grayed out? May 21 14:17:23 Just install Canola from Extras. May 21 14:17:33 From within Application manager. May 21 14:18:04 extras icon is not grayed out May 21 14:18:22 Edit it, is the Disabled box checked? May 21 14:18:28 general: canola is not problem...I can isntall it because it is listed on application manager May 21 14:18:38 Canola depends on Python. May 21 14:18:49 eero, then do it, and you will have python installed May 21 14:19:22 if I install canola it installs some python packages but not all May 21 14:20:11 eero: enable redpill mode and install missing packages via app-man May 21 14:20:21 (and you don't need root for that) May 21 14:20:58 pancake: will it do arm disassembly too? May 21 14:21:28 kotcrazny: that's not the problem.. the problem is that for ordinary user (i'm not:) it is too difficult to install python applications which are not listed on application manager :) May 21 14:21:31 RST38h: supports arm, mips, java, x86(16,32,64), csr, sparc May 21 14:21:34 and debugging too May 21 14:21:51 the disasembly of the shots is arm May 21 14:22:01 eero: well, if you get your package on garage then it will be in app-man :) May 21 14:22:22 pancake: yummy May 21 14:22:34 also for graphs and code analysis May 21 14:22:38 o.o May 21 14:22:53 pancake: disassemler for arm packages? May 21 14:22:55 kotcrazny: that's not true.. for example mclock in not listed on application manager..like dozens of other applications May 21 14:23:05 i plan to add a pseudo virtual machine for the next version May 21 14:23:09 to enhace the code analysis May 21 14:23:13 KotCzarny: ? May 21 14:23:20 eero, ahm, you are right May 21 14:23:44 KotCzarny: radare is an advanced command line hexadecimal editor May 21 14:23:59 pancake, ahm, /me uses mcedit May 21 14:24:00 :) May 21 14:24:21 KotCzarny: don't compare :) May 21 14:24:23 pancake: can you edit the assembly? I had some fun a couple of months back using IDA Pro demo version on XP to look at the structure of an ARM ELF binary, identifying the instruction I wanted to change, then opening the same binary up in StrongEd in RISC OS on RPCemu on an Ubuntu box to make the change :-) May 21 14:24:28 Jaffa: yes May 21 14:24:42 pancake: cool, I'll try that next time then :-) May 21 14:24:50 sweet :) May 21 14:25:33 eero: i guess it's a problem that pymaemo guys have to fix May 21 14:25:54 join the mailing list/forums if you're interested on :) May 21 14:25:57 As a developer I'm concerned that only the way to make a python application automatically installable is to get it into (extras) repository and it is quite difficult process May 21 14:26:18 so anyone happen to remember what is the rationale for app-man not autoresolving deps for command line arguments? that's the crux of the problem, after all. May 21 14:26:34 eero: it's not that difficult, really. May 21 14:26:38 It's not all that difficult, eero. May 21 14:27:02 they have set all kind of quality requirements.. May 21 14:27:14 Oh, so you want to release crashy crashy shonkware? May 21 14:27:21 That's what extras-devel is for. May 21 14:27:26 how about alpha/beta quality level software that is under development? May 21 14:27:39 And part of the problem is that the quality requirements aren't high enough ;-)... but as GeneralAntilles says, that's what extras-devel is for. May 21 14:28:01 if someone installs alpha/beta he/she should be knowledgeable then May 21 14:28:14 not necessarily.. May 21 14:28:15 or you end up with bunch of newbies cursing your beta app May 21 14:28:19 for no reason May 21 14:28:20 :) May 21 14:28:53 GeneralAntilles, Was there SSU Diablo update today? May 21 14:28:57 Yeah May 21 14:28:59 eero: as a developer you should avoid writing applications in python May 21 14:29:00 This morning. May 21 14:29:01 Thanks May 21 14:29:01 20-4 May 21 14:29:09 way, WAY too fragile May 21 14:29:35 Somebody upgrades Python - and half the apps stop working May 21 14:31:53 still I don't understand the requirement of R&D mode for manual installation May 21 14:32:31 r&d is needed for root access May 21 14:33:16 is anyone having troubles with Skype? Major choppyness on both ends, but never at the same time. May 21 14:33:20 Why python is then not listed on AI? .. May 21 14:35:08 eero: cos most end-users don't need to install it themselves. May 21 14:36:44 you think that most end users want only install applications which are listed on application manager? Not for example the mclock? May 21 14:36:56 eero: that's an issue with mclock, not python May 21 14:37:06 Moan at the mclock developers for not putting the app in extras(-devel) May 21 14:38:16 * qwerty12 wishes application manager resolved depends for local debs files too like gdebi, not just ones installed from a repo. May 21 14:40:04 qwerty12: fix the source? http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/ - submit a patch ;-) May 21 14:40:24 Jaffa, I'm gonna try on the diablo version later :) May 21 14:41:10 Because then, when I install from a deb, I have to resort the dpkg -i and apt-get -f install anyway :/ May 21 14:41:53 hmm May 21 14:42:03 then make script for it? May 21 14:42:04 :) May 21 14:42:29 I'd rather just work on application manager :/ May 21 14:42:55 Bollox, updating diablo has made my version information blank :p May 21 14:43:24 fun May 21 14:43:25 :) May 21 14:44:30 ok.. In order to put an python application into extras repository I need an upload account, right? May 21 14:44:44 Correct. Which is a garage account, basically. May 21 14:44:47 eero: Yep ;) May 21 14:44:56 You do not need a garage project, though. May 21 14:45:03 Oh, and X-Fade's here now to help you :-) May 21 14:45:53 eero: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?target=invitation_request May 21 14:46:04 x-fade: thanks May 21 14:46:24 eero: Then you even don't need to type the email ;) May 21 14:46:43 great, I don't like typing emails ;) May 21 14:48:07 * qwerty12 wants to update bootmenu with Kot's colour mod but I don't have the willpower to strip out the initfs again and make a new jffs2 image :( May 21 14:48:22 * GeneralAntilles is two thanks away from 666. May 21 14:48:25 * GeneralAntilles hopes he doesn't miss it. May 21 14:48:41 hehe, I made May 21 14:48:44 qwerty12: generally, if you do something twice it's better to script it the third time. May 21 14:48:50 my tablet version 666 for a while. May 21 14:48:56 qwerty: make a script to do it then :) May 21 14:48:59 ccooke, If I could, I would! May 21 14:49:12 Ok, the autobuilder has improved a lot. It will now mail the uploader with status and links to error logs etc.. May 21 14:49:12 (My scripting skills are bad) May 21 14:49:48 qwerty12: hmm. where can I find the initrd? I can probably knock up a script in a few minutes. May 21 14:49:57 script is just a commands you type anyway in a text file May 21 14:49:58 :) May 21 14:50:08 (my n810 is not currently able to copy files to the system I'm using now) May 21 14:50:46 KotCzarny: initially. If you do it properly, you end up with something that makes your life even easier than that May 21 14:50:59 (because a script can make decisions and assumptions for you) May 21 14:51:37 :) May 21 14:52:28 ccooke, This was a diablo one I extracted. It took me a while and 2gb ram to extract it. Plus KotCzarny's linuxrc will be based off the chinook one so I have to compare the files. May 21 14:52:45 qwerty12: no problem. May 21 14:52:52 qwerty12: that can be scripted, too :-) May 21 14:52:55 Thanks though :) May 21 14:53:46 when you say it took you 2G of ram to extract... that sounds like it should be wrong. May 21 14:54:04 after all, there's only a 256M root filesystem and 128M of RAM on the devices May 21 14:54:16 qwerty, essentially just look at the lines related to text2screen May 21 14:54:17 :) May 21 14:54:26 ccooke, I'm serious :). mtd2ram method uses a lot of memory to mount an jffs2 image. May 21 14:54:32 KotCzarny, Will do, I've done this before :) May 21 14:54:37 Except in b&w May 21 14:54:49 qwerty12: oh... jffs image, right. May 21 14:55:01 qwerty12: that explains things :-) May 21 14:55:19 Good thing is that I have a tarball of the diablo initfs so I don't have to mount things anymore :) May 21 14:55:56 does booting off a card corrupt it if it's shut down foced? May 21 14:56:17 n800n: depends, but that's a good reason to have ext3 on it May 21 14:56:18 :) May 21 14:56:22 n800n: not automatically, but it's very likely May 21 14:56:31 n800n: ext3 will help with that. May 21 14:56:36 hm May 21 14:57:19 is there an app that would shut down the tablet if battery goes under a certain %? May 21 14:57:28 i have ext3 and have had 15 or so dirty shutdowns - dead bat, lockups and pulled the battery - and never a problem May 21 14:57:33 i think tablet does it already May 21 14:58:15 The tablet does a proper shutdown when battery gets low. May 21 14:58:21 GeneralAntilles, One more thanks to reach devil point :p May 21 14:58:22 n800n: yes, the built-in battery management software does exactly that. May 21 14:58:30 GeneralAntilles, I'll do it for you :p May 21 14:58:44 GeneralAntilles: I reckon another bitch-slapping on the ITTSS thread could get it for you (from me) May 21 14:58:46 well something may have gone wrong May 21 14:58:46 GeneralAntilles, Welcome to 666 May 21 14:58:53 x-fade: but it's not true if battery got low via low usage, then if cpu went to 100% May 21 14:59:19 KotCzarny: Huh? May 21 14:59:24 Woo! May 21 14:59:29 Muhahaha! >:] May 21 14:59:36 * GeneralAntilles gets screenshots May 21 14:59:55 x-fade: li-* battery fun May 21 15:00:20 KotCzarny: That doesn't make sense ;) May 21 15:00:21 x-fade: if you discharge slowly, tablet doesn't have a chance to poweroff properly May 21 15:00:37 x-fade: well, if you drain battery slowly May 21 15:00:41 KotCzarny: Sure, it does. It will always leave more than 5% in.. May 21 15:00:45 voltage keeps steady May 21 15:00:45 but May 21 15:01:04 if you start draining big, voltage drops quite big too May 21 15:01:10 Yeah, ok. You mean the delta isn't that large then.. May 21 15:01:15 well i'm sure mine did May 21 15:01:40 x-fade: battery monitor runs all the time, it should be aware of this May 21 15:01:46 i guess that qualifies as a bug May 21 15:01:47 :) May 21 15:02:10 i'm sure mine shut down forced, i had open files idling in fb reader an 2 dirs were corrupted May 21 15:02:28 n800n: go ext3 May 21 15:02:33 I want that stupid battery thing to be improved. On my Pocket PC, I would get a 10 second countdown that it was about to go off. On my Nokia, I get 3 warnings, fair enough, but I don't like it going off without a proper warning i.e countdown and saying recharge battery. May 21 15:02:50 qwerty: i can write an app for that May 21 15:03:00 apparently i have found good params for my kcbatt May 21 15:03:04 KotCzarny, If you would, I would love you forever :) May 21 15:03:11 oh it's not ext3 May 21 15:03:18 ah shit. May 21 15:03:37 qwerty: well, the problem is that it will have to run all the time May 21 15:03:48 because it's all about deltas :) May 21 15:03:52 is there a way to run an app at a higher priority? May 21 15:03:58 KotCzarny, I don't mind, rather that then the tablet shutting off :) May 21 15:04:01 WorkingOnWise, renice May 21 15:04:20 cool. ty qwerty12 May 21 15:04:22 qwerty: you do. if app runs all the time == battery drain May 21 15:04:23 :) May 21 15:04:44 I'm past caring, honestly. May 21 15:05:07 k May 21 15:05:11 I'd rather that then losing a post I'm about to post :) May 21 15:05:14 then it's a simple sh script :) May 21 15:05:24 Cool :) May 21 15:05:33 does anyone think renicing Skype to a higher priority will fix my chop and chatter troubles? Right now its useless as a voip device May 21 15:05:39 it was fb reader, didn't think it'd be such a drain May 21 15:05:52 but i'm in the freakin jungle May 21 15:06:00 WorkingOnWise: renice 0 `pidof Xomap` May 21 15:06:31 KotCzarny: what is Xomap? May 21 15:06:35 n800n: screen rendering is quite costly + backlight May 21 15:06:51 WorkingOnWise, X Server May 21 15:07:10 backlight is almost the worst May 21 15:07:49 i don't think the soft shut down works if apps are open for me May 21 15:07:55 ok. qwerty12. I' not questioning, just trying to understand. Wouldnt a reboot do the same thing? May 21 15:08:54 A reboot wouldn't make the priority higher, if I understood question right :) May 21 15:11:01 qwerty12: got it. I sure wish man worked on the IT. 0 is the highest prioprity, and normally Xomap starts at a lower priority, right? May 21 15:11:55 WorkingOnWise, I would guess that it starts at lower priority but to be honest, I don't really understand renice myself :) May 21 15:12:40 There is a long way to make man work but it would mean a hell of a lot of time and me explaining something I've never tried. May 21 15:13:00 google: man renice May 21 15:13:03 alot easier May 21 15:13:33 highest priority = most CPU time given = -20 May 21 15:13:35 well. that changed skypes performance from totally useless to mildly anoying.... May 21 15:13:40 lowest priority = only run at idle = +20 May 21 15:13:59 the problem is that Xomap runs at -1 May 21 15:14:03 and sound runs at 0 May 21 15:14:19 so screen draws can introduce sound glitches May 21 15:14:39 and using skype nobody cares about drawing speed May 21 15:15:11 WorkingOnWise, as root bump skype to -5 and see if that helps May 21 15:15:22 KotCzarny: johnx is it possible that that could help a2dp also? May 21 15:15:36 WorkingOnWise, it helps quite a bit May 21 15:15:59 at the cost of every other process May 21 15:16:25 though in my case I left xomap at its default priority and bumped mplayer to -1 May 21 15:16:30 or was it -5? May 21 15:16:57 johnx, but mplayer is restarted often May 21 15:17:05 so you need to bump it every time May 21 15:17:14 of course May 21 15:17:20 while renicing Xomap is once per boot May 21 15:17:24 and to get -5 priority you need to be root May 21 15:17:54 but renicing Xomap might have negative effects on games or video. I don't really know... May 21 15:18:33 sounds like we need an app to renice video vs sound on the fly maybe? May 21 15:18:46 johnx: seriously, games? video? :) May 21 15:19:23 KotCzarny, :P May 21 15:19:33 WorkingOnWise, actually a little control panel that had that and a way to lock the CPU at 400MHz might be nice May 21 15:20:03 johnx: op patch! May 21 15:20:04 ;) May 21 15:20:11 op patch? May 21 15:20:13 hmm? May 21 15:20:14 yeah May 21 15:20:19 so you can set op modes May 21 15:20:40 and you can even set desired op mode for dsp usage May 21 15:20:41 what are op modes? is that different than the cpufreq governor? May 21 15:20:45 yup May 21 15:20:52 well May 21 15:20:56 not true May 21 15:21:00 got a link? May 21 15:21:34 www.google.com May 21 15:21:43 * qwerty12 turns off prick mode May 21 15:21:53 qwerty12, kthx May 21 15:22:12 qwerty12, I tried that. op-mode linux gets me a whole bunch of nothing May 21 15:22:36 I see what you mean :/ May 21 15:23:09 heh...I found the actual source May 21 15:23:14 but not an explanation :/ May 21 15:23:44 johnx: http://en.pastebin.ca/raw/986472 May 21 15:23:53 it allows op modes to be set via /sys May 21 15:24:03 thanks May 21 15:24:16 fanoush already included it in his kernel May 21 15:24:19 :) May 21 15:24:30 KotCzarny, know who made that patch? May 21 15:24:31 :) May 21 15:24:31 renicing skype to -5 made is s l o w! tried 5 too. slow still.... when it finally did call, it was super choppy. wierd May 21 15:24:48 qwerty: i think someone from this chan, maybe jott.. May 21 15:25:57 KotCzarny, bootmenu.conf is on the root of the initfs partition right? May 21 15:26:22 WorkingOnWise, try running top via ssh while using skype May 21 15:26:28 see what wants the most CPU time May 21 15:26:40 qwerty: yes, i hacked initfs-flash script to copy my version over original May 21 15:26:53 KotCzarny, Thanks May 21 15:28:05 johnx: i use it to replace 330/220 mode with 400/133 May 21 15:28:06 :) May 21 15:28:09 johnx: ok. after I test a theory. I am booting into the flash OS2008, which has very very little installed on it I'm gonna try Skype from there ans see if maybe it'm my install on the SD car thats fubared somehow. May 21 15:28:26 man, fanoush is just too good. I was surprised to learn that the mmc booting code was actually made by Nokia but fanoush improved it lots and actually made it into a menu :) May 21 15:28:44 qwerty: i think menu was there already May 21 15:28:58 but accessible with a key hold May 21 15:28:59 :) May 21 15:29:05 Yes, but it's a weird sort of menu, I've managed it run it via chroot :) May 21 15:29:40 qwerty12 lied about not having to mount initfs, I'm gonna have to mount the chinook one. May 21 15:30:18 Phoney! qwerty12's uh PHONEY! May 21 15:30:43 * qwerty12 is so vain, rd mode says my initfs version is 2008-17-qwerty12-diablo/bootmenu-custom May 21 15:30:44 :p May 21 15:30:50 Kill me now. May 21 15:30:58 You'll go straight to hell. :P May 21 15:31:04 qwerty: you will kill yourself May 21 15:31:07 >:] May 21 15:31:13 qwerty12, done. the Nokian ninjas will arrive shortly :P May 21 15:31:15 when some app refuse to install May 21 15:31:15 what version scratchbox is suggested for maemo 4.0? May 21 15:31:28 version of scratchbox May 21 15:31:39 Cool, bye bye muhahahaha May 21 15:31:48 kpanic, the latest 1.x release available May 21 15:31:58 with the 4.0.1 sdk May 21 15:32:08 qwerty12, yeah May 21 15:32:32 is diablo released yet? May 21 15:32:36 No May 21 15:32:38 No, WorkingOnWise. May 21 15:32:42 :( May 21 15:32:45 need blood May 21 15:32:50 johnx, thanks May 21 15:32:56 I held a gun to Nokia's head so some of us would get the beta. May 21 15:33:34 lol @ qwerty12 I see they do in fact listen to reason. May 21 15:33:35 * GeneralAntilles pictures qwerty12 standing next to a big office building in Helsinki with his stupid Glock. May 21 15:33:42 GeneralAntilles, How do you browse with that font :p May 21 15:33:51 GeneralAntilles, Yes but minus stupid :p May 21 15:33:55 From the screenshot? May 21 15:33:58 yes May 21 15:33:59 It's the jpeg compression. May 21 15:34:03 Ah, skeen May 21 15:34:32 I shoulda taken the screenshot in tiff, but I'm lazy. :P May 21 15:34:46 Too late now :p May 21 15:34:49 Well May 21 15:35:07 llew May 21 15:35:08 I think I deciphered the image format of logo-nokia May 21 15:35:18 pancake already did it May 21 15:35:23 oh yes? May 21 15:35:26 But it makes no difference. May 21 15:35:30 logo is in NOLO May 21 15:35:32 I searched at ITT with no result May 21 15:35:43 Check the 0xFFFF sources for logotool May 21 15:35:53 You can make and convert logo-nokia with it May 21 15:36:04 :) May 21 15:36:07 jdiaz: ITT is not the be-all and end-all of maemo knowledge :-) May 21 15:36:12 But I made a new logo and the one from NOLO is still shown. May 21 15:36:25 but at least is less volatile that #maemo :-) May 21 15:36:27 pancake, nice job with 0xffff btw, saved my life when I was messing with initfs. May 21 15:36:30 (than) May 21 15:36:37 thanks :) May 21 15:36:48 i have to fix a bug in the unpacker May 21 15:36:59 but is quite stable for the rest :) May 21 15:37:02 anyway, it was funny to reverse-engineer the format May 21 15:37:14 jdiaz: it is :) May 21 15:37:15 I was asking here, two hours ago May 21 15:37:19 quite easy algorithm May 21 15:37:27 no one seemed to know the format, nor that it was deciphered May 21 15:37:48 yes, quite easy May 21 15:37:57 http://news.nopcode.org/miau/pvc.cgi?prj=0xFFFF&leaf=b584ff82/1-pancake@dazo May 21 15:38:05 qwerty12, you said that logo is in nolo May 21 15:38:06 http://news.nopcode.org/miau/pvc.cgi?prj=0xFFFF&leaf=b2d6ab43/2-pancake@dazo May 21 15:38:14 miau? May 21 15:38:18 jdiaz, it is, i've even asked fanoush May 21 15:38:30 changing logo-nokia doesn't do anything May 21 15:38:33 but there is a logo-nokia in initfs May 21 15:38:35 Infact, I even delete it now. May 21 15:38:43 and my Nokia logo is still there. May 21 15:38:47 if I alter that logo, there would be no difference during boot? May 21 15:38:49 well, their nokia logo. May 21 15:38:50 Yes May 21 15:38:51 it's in nolo May 21 15:38:54 I've already been there. May 21 15:39:02 @jdiaz May 21 15:39:17 but there is a call to show_image at linuxrc May 21 15:39:35 you can comment that line simply May 21 15:39:40 but there is still one in nolo May 21 15:39:41 :) May 21 15:39:49 Maybe my image was too big then, I seem to remember the program segfaulting with my new image... May 21 15:39:51 which shows just after boot May 21 15:40:10 I'd rather see a ARM ASM expert dissassemble NOLO :) May 21 15:40:30 ok, KotCzarny, I understand that in nolo there is a logo, and then there is another identical logo shown from linuxrc May 21 15:40:38 yes May 21 15:40:42 and another in rootfs May 21 15:40:44 :) May 21 15:40:46 I can alter the second one, couldn't? May 21 15:40:57 the third is the one with the hands, I suppose May 21 15:41:10 nah, there is another nokia logo in rootfs May 21 15:42:00 ah, of course, because the blue progress bar at the bottom is displayed from rootfs May 21 15:42:37 the hands logo is probably displayed during X11 start May 21 15:42:50 jdiaz: you can alter every logo except one in nolo May 21 15:42:57 (blue 'NOKIA') May 21 15:42:59 after actually May 21 15:44:34 I'm pretty sure that the NOLO logo is in secondary.bin due to the file size :/ May 21 15:44:42 jdiaz: just hunt every possible instance of show_image in /etc/rc2.d/ May 21 15:44:43 :) May 21 15:46:10 Woo! the new trend in China appears to have changed from cheap mp3 players to cheap embedded linux gadgets: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9047481010.html May 21 15:46:19 I just wonder what an Xburst CPU is... May 21 15:46:24 maybe an xscale clone? May 21 15:46:25 Who was it copied off? May 21 15:47:33 it looks quite a bit like an asus eee to me... May 21 15:47:49 but so do all small, white sub-notebooks May 21 15:48:00 * qwerty12 will always remember D&G: Dio And Gomez May 21 15:48:40 querty, yes... I've found the data of the logo inside secondary.bin. It begins at offset 0x1314c May 21 15:48:53 qwerty12, ahaha...but not nearly as fun as some random linux gadget May 21 15:48:53 Cool :) May 21 15:49:02 hehe, true May 21 15:49:25 jdiaz, I will love you forever if you make NOLO with black background May 21 15:49:44 hmm May 21 15:50:00 show_image accepts a parameter for specifying the color background May 21 15:50:07 but I assume that nolo doesn't use show_image May 21 15:50:40 I don't think NOLO would have dependency on initfs, because then it would make dead flashing fun... May 21 15:51:05 * qwerty12 wonders if the colour is in hex May 21 15:51:21 it's how I edited the walkman colour on my phone May 21 15:56:08 hmm - bit of a newbish question - but, how do I make a SIP call using USER@DOMAIN.COM , with the Command Center software? May 21 15:56:36 Does anyone know if you can make the button on the headset (wired headset, N800 original) pause a song? May 21 15:57:08 qwerty12: kagu does it May 21 15:57:14 eh, that reminds me that I always wondered what that button was for May 21 15:57:21 disq, Thanks May 21 15:57:27 jdiaz, for internet call afaik May 21 15:57:35 m-c: I know how I do it. I make a range in my asterisk for short-numbers and make asterisk do it ;) May 21 15:57:46 the headset has a micro? May 21 15:57:53 My bro's N73 has same behavior with headset but it answers GSM calls etc May 21 15:57:58 m-c: but that's not a newbish answer, I guess ;P May 21 15:58:36 I noticed that, when I push the button, the stereo seems to make wider May 21 15:58:42 hmm - setting up asterisk is a bit more than I want to do May 21 15:58:51 I think installing gizmo would be easier May 21 15:58:55 I even would say that with the button not pressed, the audio is mono May 21 15:59:06 but thank you for your thoughts, Veggen May 21 16:04:20 Has anybody run to a case, where the application menu is totally empty? I was installing a lot of software listend in downloads.maemo.org and in the end I noticed that the menu is totally empty.. May 21 16:19:23 I've a question about RD mode... I don't recall having set RD mode ever, but I can gainroot, is that possible? May 21 16:19:44 If you have installed becomeroot or easyroot May 21 16:19:44 Yes, using either SSH server; becomeroot package or easyroot package. May 21 16:19:53 aha May 21 16:20:00 cal-tool will tell you current status on rd-mode May 21 16:20:17 My first idea about becoming root (even without having read about it), was to install a ssh server May 21 16:20:29 I did so the first day I received my n810 May 21 16:20:47 then, I was tired of ssh localhost to become root, and I searched other easier ways May 21 16:21:01 i discovered and installed easyroot, which is what I use now May 21 16:21:17 so, some of these apps changed the tablet to rd mode, right? May 21 16:21:48 nope May 21 16:21:53 Nah, they change the script not to run cal-tool to see if your tablet is in rd-mode ;) May 21 16:21:59 ah May 21 16:22:12 better this way, I guess May 21 16:22:21 less risk of side effects May 21 16:22:44 * qwerty12 would love to be able to modify config partition May 21 16:24:31 * qwerty12 also wonders if I will have enough space to flash this diablo inifs with bootmenu and fb_update May 21 16:24:41 * qwerty12 also realises I am annoying, sorry, May 21 16:30:54 sshhh, eet's mah seckretz May 21 16:31:37 uh May 21 16:32:35 KotCzarny, Man, which bootmenu.sh did you mod? "Ur one:# Copyright (C) 2006 Frantisek Dufka" latest:"# Copyright (C) 2006,2007,2008 Frantisek Dufka" :p May 21 16:33:34 hi all May 21 16:33:45 hi May 21 16:33:51 Hi May 21 16:34:10 hi May 21 16:34:58 qwerty: hmm? May 21 16:35:37 KotCzarny, your bootmenu.sh seems to be from a old version. I'm looking at it now and the latest bootmenu.sh is quite different May 21 16:35:45 For one, it says 2008 :p May 21 16:36:09 probably May 21 16:36:17 i haven't redownloaded initfs-flash for a long time May 21 16:36:20 (since march ;) May 21 16:36:36 Hehe. I'm trying to figure out right changes now :) May 21 16:39:12 Hi Navi May 21 16:39:22 Navi: Did you find that stuff useful? May 21 16:39:27 I'm down to the Es May 21 16:39:37 Yeah, it helps May 21 16:40:45 Though, I've been a bit preoccupied May 21 17:04:09 Hi ! May 21 17:04:16 Hi :) May 21 17:04:28 Hullo May 21 17:04:44 what is the pdflush process ? May 21 17:04:54 Filesystem writes. May 21 17:04:56 A toilet for PDF files? May 21 17:05:22 GeneralAntilles is correct, but I like qwerty12's answer better May 21 17:05:25 Navi: Hi! May 21 17:05:36 dneary, hi again :D May 21 17:05:59 Ugh, I grab the bugs for him and he 104s May 21 17:06:03 Peer is such a jerk. May 21 17:06:09 Indeed May 21 17:06:21 must have entered a tunnel May 21 17:06:29 that's when peer always sneaks up on his victims May 21 17:06:46 Navi: I made it to F May 21 17:06:48 Friggin' ninja May 21 17:06:52 dneary, sweet May 21 17:07:00 Well, almost - I need to figure out what to do with ExtendedFileSystem first May 21 17:07:01 Navi's made it to nothing. May 21 17:07:10 I'll be waiting behind Z with a Glock 40 May 21 17:07:10 Want to do a bit of wiki sorting this evening? May 21 17:07:12 I'll start working the opposite way as soon as GeneralAntilles stops bugging me May 21 17:07:18 GeneralAntilles: He's been a great help May 21 17:07:29 He spent about 3 hours sorting wiki pages a couple of days ago May 21 17:07:32 * GeneralAntilles continues poking Navi with a sharpened stick. May 21 17:07:43 Hip Hip Hooray, Navi! May 21 17:07:58 Heh May 21 17:08:02 All this time for the maemo wiki Navi and you still wont help me with wikipedia. :P May 21 17:08:11 dneary's overexaggerating a bit, but thanks :D May 21 17:08:14 does anyone know if there are any nicely packaged fuse .debs for os2008? May 21 17:08:15 Ah, there you are! May 21 17:08:18 Khertan_on_n810, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2602 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2615 May 21 17:08:26 johnx, yes May 21 17:08:28 Navi: 2 hours? May 21 17:08:30 johnx, solmumaha's is the best I've seen May 21 17:08:31 hi again May 21 17:08:45 So - do you want to take on the Fs, Gs and Hs? May 21 17:08:52 dneary, I didn't help that much. The time's probably right, I wasn't keeping track May 21 17:08:54 yeah xchat don t respond due to 98% cpu eating May 21 17:08:58 thanks, qwerty12/Navi May 21 17:09:02 Or just Fs and Gs May 21 17:09:09 There are lots of Hildon* and HOWTO* May 21 17:09:15 dneary, I'll work the opposite way after I microwave some food May 21 17:09:18 is there a fix ? May 21 17:09:25 start from Z upwards on the list May 21 17:09:33 I dunno, but there's lots of talking on bugzilla. :P May 21 17:09:34 Navi: It's very time consuming & tedious work - all help is appreciated May 21 17:09:36 s/upwards/and go upwards/ May 21 17:09:36 Navi meant: start from Z and go upwards on the list May 21 17:09:44 The N810 is the perfect place to read through all those comments and find out for yourself. :D May 21 17:09:53 Cool, thanks May 21 17:10:03 I will, that is May 21 17:10:05 dneary, is the outdated stuff getting dumped somewhere? May 21 17:11:12 GeneralAntilles: Probably all shoved in a big long list behind a page called "Attic" or something May 21 17:11:19 Haven't decided yet May 21 17:11:34 It's text, so there's no real cost in keeping it around, if it does no harm May 21 17:11:38 Updating old stuff feels like something I'd like to invest time in. May 21 17:11:53 But depending on where we put it, it might do harm (by cluttering things up) May 21 17:12:32 Away May 21 17:12:38 Bye! May 21 17:13:30 100% /m May 21 17:13:39 df : 100% / May 21 17:13:44 that s the prob May 21 17:14:01 KotCzarny, I fucked up. May 21 17:14:26 thx generalantilles ! May 21 17:14:34 Sure. ;) May 21 17:16:28 just need to find how 20Mb have been filled May 21 17:17:24 I like using pipeline's searchmonkey with options to find files over the size of 50MB etc. May 21 17:19:21 bye May 21 17:19:25 take the car May 21 17:19:33 and thx for the help May 21 17:19:44 no need to reflash ! ouf ! May 21 17:26:37 does anyone have a custom-made modules.dep for os2008? May 21 17:27:04 You can use depmod to make one. jott gave me a binary May 21 17:27:22 depmod -a May 21 17:27:29 qwerty12, you have the binary? where can i find it? May 21 17:27:49 http://sse2.net/depmod May 21 17:27:53 All thanks to jott May 21 17:28:03 great, much thanks May 21 17:28:16 And KotCzarny who helped me out at the time too :) May 21 17:28:38 * legind will hopefully be converting his n800 into a cell phone using evdo :) May 21 17:28:49 and the usbserial module with custom options May 21 17:29:11 hmm May 21 17:29:21 my app-man gets 401 on diablo repo May 21 17:29:34 You need latest apt built ;) May 21 17:29:45 hrm May 21 17:29:52 Otherwise app man will never get into the repo May 21 17:30:02 how do i get it without having access to repo? May 21 17:30:03 :) May 21 17:30:12 unless i need to get it myself May 21 17:30:13 :) May 21 17:30:23 Maba told me you can specify a password in sources.list too :) May 21 17:30:55 KotCzarny, I assume you have password, or I can PM it you. May 21 17:31:12 pm May 21 17:31:40 o.o May 21 17:31:46 i would have never guessed it May 21 17:31:59 Guess who was the first? ;) May 21 17:32:15 i have seen your sig May 21 17:32:17 :) May 21 17:32:22 Hehe, bye. May 21 17:37:41 is their an airprime module for the os2008 kernel? or a usbserial which accepts options? May 21 17:58:37 I really hate synaptic... May 21 17:58:48 KotCzarny, Would I be right in assuming that I remove -T 0's from individual text2screenlines. Because the bootmenu is coloured but except for the boot options and "powering off", I can't see nothing else. May 21 17:58:55 johnx, I do too May 21 17:59:06 aptitude is so much more sane May 21 17:59:06 I miss aptitude May 21 17:59:11 heh May 21 17:59:11 i have removed -T 0 but i have added it in T2S alias May 21 17:59:13 at the top May 21 17:59:19 Navi, for the n800? May 21 17:59:19 * qwerty12_N800 hates Asian food and I am an Asian lol May 21 17:59:21 ok May 21 17:59:23 But mostly for the commandlineness May 21 17:59:39 also, because of that screen gets cleared properly May 21 17:59:41 I like aptitude because it actually does what I tell it to May 21 17:59:45 ie. in my chosen colors May 21 17:59:49 I keep messing up by typing "apt-get search" and "apt-cache install" :P May 21 17:59:58 yeah, I do that too May 21 18:00:28 * KotCzarny compiles jffs2 module May 21 18:00:29 :) May 21 18:00:47 johnx, dselect is king :p (joke, don't touch myself) May 21 18:01:02 Navi, also aptitude's conflict/broken resolution system is also about ten times sane May 21 18:01:08 qwerty12_N800, O_o May 21 18:01:20 Agreed May 21 18:01:23 KotCzarny, Even ubuntu includes jffs2 module :p May 21 18:01:35 i usually compile my own kernel May 21 18:01:49 and never had any use for that module May 21 18:01:50 :) May 21 18:01:59 johnx, I meant don't *touch* it myself lol May 21 18:02:23 KotCzarny, hindsight is nice ;) May 21 18:02:27 heh...I know, but I had to :P May 21 18:02:55 I resisted switching from dselect for so long...but the brokenness of it's recommended handling finally changed my mind May 21 18:03:30 stupid johnx May 21 18:03:42 With newer apt, compiling aptitude for diablo is possible in theory May 21 18:03:45 hey :P I changed my ways May 21 18:04:07 * Navi np: Video Bargainville [Moxy Fruvous] May 21 18:04:10 >_> May 21 18:04:19 qwerty12_N800, yup. I'll try it when diablo is closer to launch and the ship a diablo sdk May 21 18:04:21 Navi, :D May 21 18:05:19 johnx, I'm gonna try tommorow, may as well as I need to recompile diablo app manager anyway :/ May 21 18:05:37 alright, keep us posted then May 21 18:06:01 Is the app manager separate from APT? May 21 18:06:08 yes May 21 18:06:09 Navi, eh? May 21 18:06:13 mmk May 21 18:06:21 johnx, meaning, not an APT frontend May 21 18:06:31 it's an apt frontend May 21 18:06:35 probably uses libapt May 21 18:06:44 ah no, it isn't separate then :/ May 21 18:06:56 uh oh... my xfce panels disappeared May 21 18:06:59 well I think. I mean...I never really looked May 21 18:06:59 mmk May 21 18:07:04 summatusmentis, probably crashed May 21 18:07:06 summatusmentis, tap and hold on the root window May 21 18:07:16 if you get a menu you're saved :) May 21 18:07:22 johnx: not on NIT, sorry :) May 21 18:07:33 just run xfce4-panel then May 21 18:07:35 I'm just complaining :) May 21 18:07:48 hrr May 21 18:07:51 complainers all get pitchforque'd May 21 18:07:52 thanks Navi May 21 18:08:02 * summatusmentis hides from the pitchforque May 21 18:08:30 I need to add a GB of ram into this box or something May 21 18:08:49 it'd run so much smoother if I did :| May 21 18:09:07 how much does it have now? May 21 18:09:14 also, what kinda box? cardboard? wood? May 21 18:09:44 chatter box May 21 18:09:51 256MB May 21 18:09:55 lmao May 21 18:09:57 O_o May 21 18:10:03 * qwerty12_N800 has 2gb May 21 18:10:09 uhm, yes May 21 18:10:17 even another 512MB would do wonders May 21 18:10:19 I haven't felt the need to up it 'till now May 21 18:10:25 useful for mounting initfses... May 21 18:13:11 gah. i had to run menuconfig thrice May 21 18:13:20 muhahaha May 21 18:13:35 yeah, the kernel's gotten bigger these days May 21 18:13:58 I've been compiling my own since 1998 but the latest 2.6 releases are a little crazy May 21 18:14:02 make qtconfig is all the love I need. May 21 18:14:34 qwerty: sure, especially over ssh May 21 18:14:35 :) May 21 18:14:44 KotCzarny, ssh -X May 21 18:14:45 I don't like the X stuff May 21 18:14:57 ssh! it's even better! May 21 18:15:04 johnx: ncurses version is faster May 21 18:15:05 :) May 21 18:15:27 of course May 21 18:15:36 I never disagreed :P May 21 18:17:35 ok, 5th time May 21 18:17:39 heh May 21 18:18:13 okay May 21 18:18:18 weechat is totally memory leaking May 21 18:18:25 irssi ftw May 21 18:18:34 it's eating 75MB May 21 18:18:44 after xchat that is May 21 18:19:02 wait, you guys don't use telnet for IRC? May 21 18:19:02 I'm not to big a fan of irssi May 21 18:19:12 Debian is cool in n800 May 21 18:19:14 I couldn't ever get irssi to look the way I wanted May 21 18:19:16 btw :D May 21 18:19:26 vililikku, glad you like it :D May 21 18:19:27 vililikku, if by cool, you mean nerdy May 21 18:19:28 NERD May 21 18:19:37 ircii? you can be as boring as rst then :p May 21 18:19:53 epic ftw! May 21 18:20:16 ircII with schl0ng! May 21 18:20:47 qwerty12_N800, ircii is fine May 21 18:21:08 looks pretty dull though. May 21 18:21:13 but I like my weechat script too :P May 21 18:21:49 Anyways, I'll be back May 21 18:21:54 freeing up some memory May 21 18:22:11 woo! a nice package of smbnetfs! May 21 18:23:25 nice May 21 18:23:39 johnx, solmumaha's stuff? May 21 18:23:44 i love the modules which require booting from new kernel May 21 18:24:08 qwerty12_N800, solmumaha's wasn't based on the debian packages...and it had a couple issues that made it less than "install and go" May 21 18:24:09 i <3 them May 21 18:24:42 johnx, Ah. your packages or from another source :) May 21 18:24:47 debian :) May 21 18:25:04 Ah :) May 21 18:25:12 just a quick hack to the control file and it builds nicely May 21 18:25:34 is there a VM for maemo dev? May 21 18:25:45 summatusmentis, yes. May 21 18:25:55 by indt team May 21 18:26:03 summatusmentis, http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ May 21 18:26:06 thanks! May 21 18:26:31 Installing it on real linux or at least andlinux is better imho though May 21 18:26:59 it shouldn't make much difference if you have a fast machine and lots of RAM May 21 18:27:15 it wouldn't be fun for Navi though :P May 21 18:27:24 I prefer the better integration May 21 18:27:25 lol May 21 18:27:27 :P May 21 18:27:52 * johnx got his 2 sticks of 512MB in a box of cereal May 21 18:28:07 Who has spare ram to donate to Navi? :p May 21 18:28:13 My brother's PC is several times better (and several years newer) than mine :P May 21 18:28:28 Swap the motherboard :p May 21 18:28:38 heh...actually, my little sister's computer is faster than mine too May 21 18:28:42 hadn't thought of that May 21 18:29:14 * GAN800 bought big enough thag the family laptops haven't quite caught up. . . . May 21 18:29:47 any fuse filesystems people are interested in? May 21 18:29:57 My brother's box has 2.5GB ram and the last Pentium D made May 21 18:30:07 johnx: wikipedia fs ? May 21 18:30:07 like, the model May 21 18:30:08 :) May 21 18:30:11 not the last last one May 21 18:30:15 johnx, weedfs? May 21 18:30:20 KotCzarny, sure, I'll look at it May 21 18:30:23 qwerty12_N800, what is that? May 21 18:30:34 lol, nothing :) May 21 18:30:54 * johnx shakes his head...qwerty is weird May 21 18:31:37 lets just say, I'd have to pay lots for weedfs.... May 21 18:31:54 qwerty12_N800, yes...I think people get it May 21 18:31:57 i wonder if diablo initfs will work with chinook rootfs May 21 18:31:59 :) May 21 18:32:03 weed isn't that expensive May 21 18:32:29 Navi = ex-dealer May 21 18:32:36 >_> May 21 18:32:43 KotCzarny, Should do. same kernel version. May 21 18:33:16 but diff software version May 21 18:33:22 i was using chinook initfs with diablo rootfs fine May 21 18:34:59 hmm May 21 18:35:10 qwerty, can you check something for me? May 21 18:35:17 sure May 21 18:35:44 is /mnt/inifs/usr/bin/bme_RX-34 bunch of 0s at the beginning? May 21 18:35:53 (on diablo initfs) May 21 18:36:21 will cat work? May 21 18:36:32 use less May 21 18:36:50 0 are ^@ May 21 18:37:27 Doesn't look like it May 21 18:37:48 then i got broken fs after unpacking May 21 18:37:49 hmm May 21 18:38:43 KotCzarny, If you can wait till tommorow morning (for me, gmt), then I can ggive u tarball of diablo initfs May 21 18:38:50 nah May 21 18:38:56 i'll find out the cause myself May 21 18:42:38 your call. meanwhile, i need to do fixes on yoour colour mod for me. can't see anything except for boot selection items :/ May 21 18:42:49 :) May 21 18:42:59 probably you have missed some -T 0 May 21 18:43:08 Yeah :) May 21 18:43:13 i used search & replace in mcedit May 21 18:43:17 makes it easy ;) May 21 18:43:49 I'll dump the initfs on the device and use leafpad May 21 18:44:34 hrm May 21 18:44:42 brb, i need to see if fb is working May 21 18:44:55 initfs from may 9th works ok May 21 18:45:04 today's is weird May 21 18:50:21 ./batttest -b May 21 18:50:21 -b --battery Send battery type May 21 18:50:21 -c --charger Send charger status (0=disc, 1=conn) May 21 18:50:23 hrm May 21 18:50:36 does it mean we can make battery charging? May 21 18:50:42 seen that one, never figured it out. May 21 18:50:59 i think it's used in linuxrc May 21 18:51:33 actually playing with initfs is easy without reflashing May 21 18:52:03 1/ mount initfs via jffs2 on pc May 21 18:52:14 2/ mount that pc via sshfs May 21 18:52:25 3/ chroot into that initfs May 21 18:52:26 :) May 21 18:52:34 hey rm_you May 21 18:52:41 bye rm_you :/ May 21 18:52:45 he was fast ;) May 21 18:53:01 running away from johnx :p May 21 18:53:13 -_-; May 21 18:53:37 We all do what we can to stay away from johnx May 21 18:53:51 ...and yet it's never quite enough May 21 18:54:05 include bribing the pilot to take the long route to avoid flying over Japan May 21 18:54:19 s/e/ing/ May 21 18:54:19 Navi meant: including bribing the pilot to take the long route to avoid flying over Japan May 21 18:54:26 (:x May 21 18:54:40 aaah...so that's what bribing is? with the gun and the ski masks? May 21 18:54:48 Yeah May 21 18:54:57 s/x/-o May 21 18:55:04 s/x/-o/ May 21 18:55:04 fysa meant: s/-o/-o May 21 18:55:11 lmfao May 21 18:55:12 hahaha May 21 18:55:16 make ur mind up :p May 21 18:55:28 s/-o/s/s/s/s/ May 21 18:55:34 O_o May 21 18:55:41 sorry. :P May 21 18:55:46 :P May 21 18:56:18 s/o/s\/o\/s\/ May 21 18:56:25 I can't stop. May 21 18:56:33 wimax module is pc2400m.ko May 21 18:56:34 I missed the last slash. May 21 18:56:38 * fysa dies May 21 18:57:02 i've already mentioned that on here :/ May 21 18:57:10 fysa, trying to use an escape code to crash the intarwebs? May 21 18:57:10 never saw that May 21 18:57:11 :) May 21 18:57:22 interface is wimax0 :) May 21 18:57:50 ZOMG May 21 18:57:56 brb, you can now hatch up ur plans to kill me May 21 18:58:26 FFS May 21 18:58:30 What the hell? May 21 18:58:34 I hate midguard May 21 18:59:19 whooo! May 21 18:59:23 s/u// May 21 18:59:24 Navi meant: I hate midgard May 21 18:59:33 latest -omap has full HW keyboard support May 21 18:59:40 including stickiness May 21 18:59:48 although, the map is US May 21 18:59:51 I can't save a change on midgard :| May 21 18:59:54 yay! everyone will have sticky keyboards! May 21 18:59:56 I need to write a DE/PL map May 21 19:00:05 johnx: lol May 21 19:00:07 AStorm, us? :( May 21 19:00:10 ~sticky May 21 19:00:21 qwerty12_N800: US layout May 21 19:00:59 Hehe, my bad, I mean WHY us!?! :p May 21 19:01:30 ~lart qwerty12_N800 adlib May 21 19:01:30 * infobot shoots qwerty12_N800 adlib in the head May 21 19:01:53 qwerty12_N800, If you write the code, you get to pick the keymap :P May 21 19:03:21 qwerty: any luck with the latest initfs? May 21 19:03:38 disq, Theres a new one? :o May 21 19:04:02 isn't there, with the update? kernel-diablo-flasher is updated i assumed so was initfs May 21 19:04:24 luck about what? May 21 19:04:25 Nah, initfs is separate to that package May 21 19:04:47 KotCzarny: shrinkage :) May 21 19:05:44 yep, initfs-flasher is updated too May 21 19:05:56 excuse me, but shitfuck. seems like there is a new one and I spent 3 hours adding coloured bootmenu into the old one :( May 21 19:07:28 i'll strip the new one and merge my files from the old one into the new one and remake differences to new linuxrc May 21 19:09:23 ~dict shitfuck May 21 19:09:27 could not find definition for shitfuck May 21 19:09:27 i presume there is no new kernel source? May 21 19:10:02 KotCzarny: definitely, but 2.6.26-rc1-omap should be good May 21 19:10:27 KotCzarny: what about my btrfs-progs? May 21 19:10:57 <{abo}> Helllooo... :) May 21 19:11:09 astorm: if you have read what i have written you would know May 21 19:11:10 :) May 21 19:11:45 sorry, my log has overflowed May 21 19:11:49 is it there already? May 21 19:11:52 yes May 21 19:12:00 yay! May 21 19:12:07 * AStorm runs to test May 21 19:12:08 it built without fixing anything May 21 19:12:10 weird May 21 19:12:19 maybe it got fixed upstream May 21 19:12:22 unless i missed some error messages May 21 19:12:23 ;) May 21 19:12:25 (I notified the devs) May 21 19:12:49 can I map tab to a key on the N810? May 21 19:13:05 yes May 21 19:13:19 you can make your own keymap May 21 19:13:24 awesome :) will be purchasing one May 21 19:13:27 but to do so, get ukeyboard May 21 19:13:36 I'm not sure I like the fn thing, but I can handle it May 21 19:14:06 tar: usr/bin/test_panel: Cannot stat: Input/output error May 21 19:14:06 <{abo}> W000t! May 21 19:14:06 tar: usr/lib/libcal.so.0.3.0: Cannot stat: Input/output error May 21 19:14:08 hrm May 21 19:14:13 * {abo} just booted from MMC :) May 21 19:14:17 test_panel i could ignore May 21 19:14:21 but libcal May 21 19:14:23 hum May 21 19:14:32 * {abo} doesn't need any help then :) May 21 19:15:46 when I try to plug in my EVDO to the n800 usb in host mode, I get this: [ 401.773437] tusb_source_power 629: VBUS a_idle, devctl 80 otg 184 conf c0000001 prcm 00a80500 May 21 19:15:48 IO error? May 21 19:15:55 sounds like out of disk space May 21 19:16:00 does this mean that the n800 can't supply enough power? May 21 19:16:06 astorm: unlikely May 21 19:16:08 legind, use usb hub May 21 19:16:26 qwerty12_N800, a usb hub with external power source? May 21 19:16:27 yes, you need a powered hub May 21 19:16:33 aha May 21 19:16:33 ok May 21 19:16:37 because bigger (and older) initfs mounted/copied ok May 21 19:16:49 n800 doesn't supply power at all? May 21 19:16:57 n810 supplys some? May 21 19:17:04 both do May 21 19:17:07 up to 100 mA May 21 19:17:09 ah. May 21 19:17:17 *maybe* 200 mA when forced May 21 19:17:30 (that's the max on that LDO wire from Menelaus) May 21 19:17:43 but USB has two levels: 100 mA and 500 mA May 21 19:19:14 KotCzarny: you broke your flash May 21 19:19:18 congratulations! May 21 19:19:26 astorm: nope May 21 19:19:35 maybe just an upload error ;P May 21 19:19:37 i'm peeking inside diablo initfs May 21 19:19:44 not flashing anything yet May 21 19:20:11 * johnx <3 dbus-scripts May 21 19:20:18 interestingly initfs 2weeks old doesn't have such problems May 21 19:20:37 ~whatis <3 May 21 19:20:38 ;) May 21 19:20:51 f00king :p May 21 19:21:11 no, 2 May 21 19:21:43 You guys might get a kick out of this. The dude uses a 770 to demonstrate bluetooth insecurities: http://www.5min.com/Video/How-To-Eavesdrop-on-Bluetooth-Conversations-925061 May 21 19:22:01 saw that on digg :/ May 21 19:22:09 liquid217, cool May 21 19:22:36 another reason to not use those dorky looking headset things May 21 19:22:42 hrm May 21 19:22:48 lot's of fun happening in dmesg. May 21 19:22:54 yerga's leaving message reminds me of nsync May 21 19:22:57 You don't have to demonstrate bluetooth insecurities May 21 19:23:00 it's fun though May 21 19:23:17 qwerty, are you sure you have complete tar.gz ? May 21 19:23:18 :) May 21 19:23:33 i'm using it now ;) May 21 19:23:48 but it's old one May 21 19:24:23 hey guys - thanks for your help in the past getting the OGG codecs installed on my N800. Now, how can I set up the file manager so that the .OGG file types are always opened with the Media Player (OGG) ? This file association does not get "remembered" May 21 19:24:41 Woo May 21 19:24:43 use kulve's ogg-support May 21 19:24:46 m-c: check mime database May 21 19:24:50 yes :-) May 21 19:25:05 Perhaps the file system was created with the wrong erase size? May 21 19:25:07 ok May 21 19:25:16 what's the correct erasesize for initfs? May 21 19:25:17 :) May 21 19:25:53 qwerty12_N800: that's how I got the Media Player (OGG) working May 21 19:26:16 it should have associated with that then :/ May 21 19:26:31 AStorm is right though May 21 19:26:38 edit defaults.list May 21 19:27:05 directory of defaults.list , please? May 21 19:27:17 etc ? May 21 19:27:19 anyone ever notice there is a guy talking on an n800 in one of the cisco commercials May 21 19:27:36 /usr/share/applications iirc May 21 19:27:39 ty May 21 19:27:41 <{abo}> Uhm... I managed to boot the N810 from a removeable micro-SD card. But it's mounting the card both as / and as /media/mmc1, and ignoring the internal 2 GB flash. It seems that during the boot process mmcblk0 is the SD card, then the SD card shows up as mmcblk1. Any suggestions? May 21 19:27:53 where does the micro sd go? May 21 19:28:43 <{abo}> summatusmentis: Hmm? May 21 19:28:57 summatusmentis: microsd + minisd adapter May 21 19:29:00 {abo}: on the N810, where is the slod May 21 19:29:02 slot* May 21 19:29:11 oh, mini sd slot May 21 19:29:12 nvm May 21 19:29:16 <{abo}> summatusmentis: Ah, behind the table stand thing. May 21 19:29:26 right May 21 19:29:41 KotCzarny: EXTRA_IMAGECMD_jffs2_nokia800 = "--pad --little-endian --eraseblock=0x20000 -n" May 21 19:29:49 hrm May 21 19:29:50 I found that one(was playing w/ a device earlier), but had it in my head that a micro sd was what the N810 supported May 21 19:29:56 128k ? May 21 19:30:13 KotCzarny: yep May 21 19:30:30 qwerty12_N800: default.list is linked to /etc/gnome , also May 21 19:30:34 <{abo}> summatusmentis: Well yeah since noone sells mini-SD, you get micro-SD + adapter anyway. :) May 21 19:30:40 2 microsd slots instead of 1 mini sd would have been nice May 21 19:30:46 {abo}: that's fair :) May 21 19:31:22 m-c, yep. edited that on pc before i realised properties did same thing :/ May 21 19:31:32 acydlord: omap2430 supports only 2 sd slots May 21 19:31:33 and defaults.list is owned by root, so that explains why I cannot save my settings :/ May 21 19:31:43 acydlord: and there is one used for internal card May 21 19:31:59 anything in /etc and /usr needz root May 21 19:32:44 {abo}: that's been worked around in fanoush' initfs May 21 19:32:47 and I need to red pill my NIT to get root, or something, huh? May 21 19:32:58 Nah May 21 19:33:05 easyroot @ www.nitapps.com May 21 19:33:07 Just install easyroot, becomeroot, or ssh May 21 19:33:15 okay, thanks May 21 19:33:22 <{abo}> AStorm: Ah... Yeah I just copied the rootfs and enabled mmc boot, didn't install anything like that. May 21 19:33:50 you should :/ May 21 19:34:25 nitapps.com :) :) :) nice site May 21 19:34:34 * {abo} hmms May 21 19:35:07 hmms x 2 May 21 19:35:17 * qwerty12_N800 sighs as i set framebuffer back into manual May 21 19:35:53 did not realize this NIT could tell me the temperature, too! is there no end to the new features? ;-) May 21 19:36:11 that feature has been around at least a year May 21 19:36:17 hrm May 21 19:36:18 well that app May 21 19:36:32 it's a script May 21 19:36:34 no erase size between 64 and 128k worked May 21 19:36:41 i use it in conky May 21 19:39:35 KotCzarny: believe me - n8x0 has 128k eraseblock May 21 19:40:10 m-c: It has a light censor. May 21 19:40:23 Veggen: the n800 ? May 21 19:40:35 m-c: uh, perhaps not. but the n810 has. May 21 19:40:37 the n810 May 21 19:40:37 810 only May 21 19:40:59 guess I will have to wait for a camera hack to tell when it is non-dark May 21 19:41:06 810's led is also multi coloured :( May 21 19:41:18 my 800 is boring blue :( May 21 19:41:43 <{abo}> qwerty12_N800: It's fun to look at the RGB led while moving the N810. :) May 21 19:41:45 thankfully, I am pretty good at sensing dark and non-dark environments, myself May 21 19:41:54 <{abo}> You can see the individual colours. May 21 19:42:16 :), in diablo mce, you can customize light patterns May 21 19:42:26 Anyone know what language this is: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/supertux/ May 21 19:42:39 also there is python script to choose colours May 21 19:42:44 Navi: login required May 21 19:42:49 Navi: dutch? May 21 19:42:51 m-c, remove the s May 21 19:43:25 Navi: Google agrees: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://maemo.org/maemowiki/SuperTux&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/supertux/%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial%26hs%3DzHu May 21 19:43:29 looks like sweedish May 21 19:43:50 bleh May 21 19:43:58 i'm good at recognising langs, wait a sec May 21 19:44:03 I can't get the new google translate UI to work May 21 19:44:15 it's dutch for sure May 21 19:44:18 I'd ask my multilingual friend, but he's working right now May 21 19:44:20 kk May 21 19:44:24 is that a full fledged usb port? I missed that when I was playing earlier May 21 19:44:27 sorry May 21 19:44:32 it is dutch / flemish May 21 19:44:41 m-c, it's no problem May 21 19:44:49 Thanks guys May 21 19:44:52 sorry to all you sweeds out there I offended May 21 19:44:56 or dutch May 21 19:45:00 and everyone else May 21 19:45:04 ;-) May 21 19:45:09 Hehe May 21 19:45:38 Didn't I already say Dutch, like 2 hours ago? ;-) May 21 19:46:01 That makes it the only Dutch page I've come across so far May 21 19:46:12 Jaffa, exaggerate much? :p May 21 19:46:42 Jaffa, you saying something reminds me May 21 19:46:44 I've told you 100,000 times, I don't exagerate May 21 19:46:48 lol May 21 19:47:06 Jaffa, does tablet-encode transcode videos at a variable bitrate? May 21 19:48:22 Navi: yes May 21 19:48:31 Thought so May 21 19:48:43 the minimum that is calculated is really low May 21 19:48:48 I'm not aware of an option you can pass to lavc in mencoder to do it differently. May 21 19:48:56 You can specify a max, you may be able to specify a min May 21 19:49:27 I couldn't find a way to do it within tablet-encode without setting the variable myself May 21 19:49:41 it looked really bad with animated videos May 21 19:50:09 I'd be happy to add an option - or even an auto-calculated default - for min bitrate if you let me know the mencoder synatx (saves me looking it up ;-)) May 21 19:50:59 tablet-encode's spoiled me, so I've forgotten how to use ffmpeg and mencoder May 21 19:51:10 I have to reference manuals to use 'em now :P May 21 19:51:10 Fairy nuff, I'll do grep on the manpage. May 21 19:51:32 Fairy :D Hey! Listen! May 21 19:51:59 Fairly obviously, it's "vrc_minrate" (to go with "vrc_maxrate" which is already specified. May 21 19:52:10 :) May 21 19:52:19 What'd you reckon a good auto minimum is? Half the specified bitrate? 3/4? May 21 19:52:43 sorry - need more help - I inserted ... audio/ogg=hildon-mp_ui.desktop ... into defaults.list, but there was no change in the File Manager. Still not playing OGG files automatically May 21 19:52:53 half sounds okay for most people May 21 19:53:12 can someone check the syntax in their own /etc/gnome/defaults.list and tell me what they have? May 21 19:53:21 try running update-mime-database May 21 19:53:25 hah. May 21 19:53:29 Navi: cool, I'll do it in next version May 21 19:53:29 finally mounted cleanly May 21 19:53:38 Jaffa, woo \o/ May 21 19:53:41 Thanks May 21 19:53:48 but older one. hum May 21 19:54:01 is it me or current initfs in diablo is broken? May 21 19:54:28 i'll take a look tomorrow May 21 19:55:05 should be able to work my magic on the new one May 21 19:55:07 KotCzarny: make a repo finally May 21 19:55:11 ah, nvm May 21 19:55:18 is it so hard to write one .install file? May 21 19:55:29 seems i have broken it with previous mount May 21 19:55:33 astorm: i don't wanna May 21 19:55:40 someone could add it to gronamyer May 21 19:55:40 y? May 21 19:55:50 so? May 21 19:55:51 and i start breaking people tablets May 21 19:55:52 :) May 21 19:55:55 yawn May 21 19:55:56 haha May 21 19:56:03 their fault May 21 19:56:09 astorm: packages is in n800/dist/ May 21 19:56:13 *package May 21 19:56:39 I know] May 21 19:57:16 btw, something in very base system is leaking mem :P May 21 19:57:20 no change on the mime db May 21 19:57:40 ah, no May 21 19:57:48 python-launcher May 21 19:57:53 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-15194.html May 21 19:59:13 just other people having mime issues May 21 19:59:23 hmm May 21 19:59:38 usbflasher went from 23k to 139k in 3 weeks May 21 19:59:40 :) May 21 19:59:53 * KotCzarny compares files in initfs May 21 20:00:18 Navi: initial version of v2.19 now in subversion which should do what you want - https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mediautils/tablet-encode/tablet-encode May 21 20:00:28 mmk May 21 20:00:45 Jaffa, nice work (v.fast) :) May 21 20:01:46 seems to work on a quick Family Guy test, but time to go and help Mrs Jaffa with the ironing May 21 20:02:47 and some changes to omap2420_pa.bin May 21 20:03:30 hmm May 21 20:03:37 if i see correctly May 21 20:03:42 there is libiw.so.29 May 21 20:03:53 does it mean we have iwconfig support now? May 21 20:03:54 :) May 21 20:04:12 maybe I should reinstall that OGG configuration May 21 20:06:47 hello May 21 20:07:05 bye May 21 20:07:11 does anyone know if it is possible to install scratchbox on ubuntu/powerpc ? May 21 20:07:31 KotCzarny: seems it still hangs May 21 20:07:46 is it really the latest snapshot? May 21 20:07:54 (btrfs-unstable!) May 21 20:08:18 nope May 21 20:08:23 argh May 21 20:08:24 it was 14-something May 21 20:08:31 Jaffa: "tablet-encode -g" should open gui even without args May 21 20:08:31 no, it must be -git May 21 20:08:37 older ones hang May 21 20:08:39 link for git repo? May 21 20:08:44 (excluding really old ones) May 21 20:08:51 preferrably for a cmd line May 21 20:08:51 google has the link, but it's at git.kernel.org May 21 20:08:59 find me May 21 20:09:00 :) May 21 20:09:19 ok May 21 20:09:34 it's not in mercurial repo :> May 21 20:09:46 http://oss.oracle.com/mercurial/mason/btrfs-progs-unstable May 21 20:09:49 s/not/now/ May 21 20:09:51 or is scratchbox i386-only? May 21 20:10:08 grumpus: scratchbox itself, probably not May 21 20:10:11 qemu, yes May 21 20:10:23 kulve :) May 21 20:10:44 KotCzarny: you can easily grab a tar.bz2 from there too May 21 20:10:54 qemu runs on powerpc May 21 20:10:57 tar.gz actually May 21 20:11:00 tip.tar.gz ? May 21 20:11:04 grumpus: but not qemu-system for arm May 21 20:11:07 KotCzarny: yes May 21 20:11:18 oh :( May 21 20:12:24 my second question: did someone ever compile fortune for maemo? ;) May 21 20:12:25 KotCzarny: alternative url: http://kernel.org/hg/index.cgi/btrfs/progs-unstable/ May 21 20:13:00 you don't care about -Werror, right? May 21 20:13:10 I don't, as long as it works May 21 20:13:19 gimme a log with warnings for posterity May 21 20:13:27 (will feed it through cmason) May 21 20:13:30 extent-tree.c: In function `btrfs_make_block_groups': May 21 20:13:30 extent-tree.c:2362: warning: 'bit' might be used uninitialized in this function May 21 20:13:45 ok May 21 20:13:48 insn failed May 21 20:13:54 what was that fix line again? May 21 20:14:02 *something = NULL May 21 20:14:06 hrw|gone: Hmm, thought it did. Doh. May 21 20:14:40 to memset(something, 0, sizeof typeofthatsomething); May 21 20:14:44 sb_ptr = offsetof(struct btrfs_super_block, sys_chunk_array); May 21 20:14:49 ok, how to fix it? May 21 20:15:04 hm, get a newer compiler? ;P May 21 20:17:03 hrm May 21 20:17:08 i had 4.2.3 somewhere May 21 20:17:10 but where May 21 20:17:58 anyone on tokyo in the next 3-4 days? May 21 20:18:01 in even. May 21 20:18:16 heh May 21 20:18:20 i'll be in berlin May 21 20:18:29 that's close, right? May 21 20:18:29 woo May 21 20:18:34 Indeed it is May 21 20:18:36 well, close enough! May 21 20:18:39 but not maybe for a meet / tee / coffee / whatnot May 21 20:19:32 timely, berlin = pleasure or biznis? May 21 20:19:53 !nok May 21 20:20:17 my trips are generally not what i would normally consider "pleasure" May 21 20:20:31 scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1 May 21 20:20:32 nice May 21 20:20:34 mine neither. that's why this time I'm making an exception May 21 20:21:02 bad trips? May 21 20:21:06 change your dealer May 21 20:21:07 :) May 21 20:21:19 it's a good dealer May 21 20:21:21 KotCzarny, work-related :-) May 21 20:21:22 it pays for the trips May 21 20:21:54 * qwerty12_N800 dealer is expensive... May 21 20:21:58 work-related trips = suck ass normally. too tight schedule & too tired to do anything at the location if it even to happens to be any location you'd like to me (mostly not for me) May 21 20:22:08 to be even. May 21 20:22:38 pays for the trips but doesn allow to relax :) May 21 20:24:11 ot, but how do epileptic people cope in Japan? May 21 20:24:26 or rather Tokyo May 21 20:25:11 I would assume they don't May 21 20:25:36 maybe leave their eyes closed the whole freakin' time? May 21 20:25:52 hehe, poor people May 21 20:26:07 they wear nifty blink removing glasses? May 21 20:26:42 maybe they all died out already May 21 20:26:56 * czr has no idea. I wouldn't it to be too much worse than NY wrt flashing blinkenlichts May 21 20:26:56 johnx, I leve my eyes closed May 21 20:27:10 leave* May 21 20:28:03 It makes people think you're crazy/blind/drunk/homeless, so it's funny May 21 20:29:05 KotCzarny: how the compile goes? May 21 20:29:22 installing gcc 4.2.1 May 21 20:29:28 :) May 21 20:33:45 any idea where apt-get downloads packages? May 21 20:34:05 err i know i know May 21 20:34:12 /var/cache/simewhere iirc May 21 20:34:31 and in sbox1 context? May 21 20:34:32 :) May 21 20:34:38 /var/cache/apt/archives? May 21 20:34:53 kot, outside sbox? May 21 20:36:02 ok, found it May 21 20:36:13 /mnt/hda5/scratchbox/users/sbox/targets/chexp/var/cache/apt/archives May 21 20:36:13 ;) May 21 20:36:25 Need to get 0B/65.3MB of archives. May 21 20:36:35 nice thing, not to redownload it ;) May 21 20:37:05 i did same with 1st diablo install ;) May 21 20:44:39 johnx: do you have the VM? you linked a torrent, but it's not seeding very well May 21 20:46:17 so, how are thing? May 21 20:46:55 KotCzarny: ok, still installing that gcc? May 21 20:47:37 astorm, yup May 21 20:47:40 tings dont run we, we run tings May 21 20:47:42 summatusmentis, nope. sorry. I use the maemo sdk directly May 21 20:47:47 qemu freaked out May 21 20:47:50 johnx: alright May 21 20:47:55 KotCzarny: omg May 21 20:47:55 so i'm reinstalling 4.2.1 target May 21 20:48:10 and downloading scratchbox-toolchain-arm-linux-cs2008q1-126sb1_1.0.8~20080421173500-1_i386 May 21 20:48:11 :) May 21 20:48:24 summatusmentis, there's a two part direct download up too, it looks like May 21 20:49:06 the radare looks very interesting May 21 20:49:40 I might just install it then... I don't know... May 21 20:50:19 hmm, install the sdk directly? May 21 20:50:28 johnx: hmm? May 21 20:50:41 KotCzarny, talking to summatusmentis May 21 20:50:45 ahm May 21 20:50:45 :) May 21 20:50:59 johnx: I'm not sure... whatever is on the VM :) presumably the SDK May 21 20:51:07 Kot: Screw qemu - does not work right anyway May 21 20:51:22 rst: we will see with 1.08 May 21 20:51:24 :) May 21 20:51:25 trying to open a maemo file dialog in qemu makes it coredump application 100% of the time May 21 20:51:36 summatusmentis, why not just download the VM? there's a direct download link on the site I linked... May 21 20:52:22 there is? May 21 20:52:27 yes May 21 20:52:32 right below the torrent link May 21 20:52:43 it's in two parts May 21 20:53:02 Don't forget to seed torrents May 21 20:53:07 oh, I get it May 21 20:53:10 my bad May 21 20:53:21 that's ok. :) May 21 20:53:23 RST38h: hehehe May 21 20:53:33 I'm going to bed now though :P May 21 20:53:33 thus, we should write a real emulator May 21 20:53:43 johnx, pretty late :P May 21 20:54:08 Navi, got your world clock setup? I have afternoon shift today May 21 20:54:39 Hehe May 21 20:54:56 No, but I've memorized timezones for different parts of the world May 21 20:55:33 NURD May 21 20:55:34 :P May 21 20:55:44 Duh May 21 20:55:51 anyways, night all :P May 21 20:55:59 Night May 21 20:56:45 Night May 21 20:57:01 AStorm: just use a real thing! May 21 20:57:18 RST38h: sure, if it wasn't so sloooow May 21 20:57:31 you know how long just a build of a few things from CPAN took? May 21 20:57:56 to get anywhere near usable speed, I'd need an array of 20 such devices May 21 20:58:40 astorm: what about new kernel? May 21 20:58:50 soon May 21 20:58:50 (while packages are installing) May 21 20:58:57 I'll update and build it May 21 20:58:58 ok May 21 20:59:01 RST38h, sure, I'll start using a real NES and stop playing with iNES May 21 20:59:53 Anyone think I can have both a bt headset and the n810 tethered to a n95 at the same time? May 21 21:00:45 jeff1f: why not? May 21 21:00:54 the cpu would burn or what? May 21 21:01:02 even my w810 can connect to more than 1 device May 21 21:01:03 I didn't know it bt has the ability May 21 21:01:08 if May 21 21:01:32 lol, it would be fairly pointless w/o that May 21 21:01:54 but safe May 21 21:01:55 :> May 21 21:02:01 not at all May 21 21:02:06 MITM would still work May 21 21:02:09 :) May 21 21:04:22 Well then, I guess it's time to spend money on bt headphones May 21 21:04:35 why? May 21 21:04:38 they suck May 21 21:04:42 pfft May 21 21:04:46 BT headphones rock May 21 21:04:55 jeff1f: most bt devices support up to like 6 or 9 simultaneous connections May 21 21:05:00 rm_you: no, they don't May 21 21:05:02 i recommend getting the pendant adapter kind May 21 21:05:06 they suck quality-wise May 21 21:05:10 ? May 21 21:05:14 sound just as good as plugin May 21 21:05:18 normal phones with an adapter might be ok May 21 21:05:19 you must just have bad headphones May 21 21:05:27 the actual phones in bt headsets suck most of the time May 21 21:05:28 rm_you: no, it's nowhere near as good ;P May 21 21:05:32 headphones that is May 21 21:05:34 As long as it sounds decent while on the bus May 21 21:05:39 my CX300 don't agree with you May 21 21:05:47 'doesn't' May 21 21:05:48 The expensive BT headphones are good May 21 21:06:05 even these expensive Etymoics are worse than wired ones May 21 21:06:13 I spent about $85 on my pair and they sound pretty good May 21 21:06:16 not to mention the BT senns May 21 21:06:21 i'd much rather have a pendandt and plug my own headphones to it, because the headphone parts break too May 21 21:06:26 * KotCzarny has plugin sony headphones May 21 21:06:28 for 10$ May 21 21:06:30 but grab a pendant adapter and shove some earbuds on it and it sounds exactly the same May 21 21:06:32 and sound great May 21 21:06:33 rm_you: uhm, I won't take a guess what "pretty good" is for you May 21 21:06:33 :) May 21 21:06:38 (wired) May 21 21:06:40 KotCzarny: which one? ;P May 21 21:06:58 mdr-e808 May 21 21:06:59 :) May 21 21:07:06 i like the sound of cheap koss plugs.. i guess i'm a basshead May 21 21:07:08 rm_you: were Nokia default phones ok for you? May 21 21:07:13 dunno May 21 21:07:16 i threw em away May 21 21:07:23 heh, should've at least tried May 21 21:07:26 i use MDR-ex71s May 21 21:07:27 the nokia default phones have a habit of lacking bass May 21 21:07:36 rm_you: those are good :) May 21 21:07:41 they're pretty decent for how cheap they are May 21 21:07:47 KotCzarny: these aren't the worst, but they shouldn't even be near good headphones May 21 21:07:48 rm_you: i used to have them, but i like the koss plugs the same May 21 21:07:55 should be separate aisle for cheap ones May 21 21:08:04 so that people don't get confused May 21 21:08:05 astorm, they are for 10$ May 21 21:08:09 what do you expect May 21 21:08:11 lol May 21 21:08:13 :> May 21 21:08:15 but sound great May 21 21:08:15 :) May 21 21:08:19 yeah mdr-ex71s were going for $10 on ebay a while back May 21 21:08:21 for $10, sure :-) May 21 21:08:27 ex71 I don't know May 21 21:08:31 light and portable May 21 21:08:34 prolly stolen off the assembly line in china (they WERE shipped from there) but whatev :P May 21 21:08:35 rm_you: woah? they were 60e here when i bought 'em May 21 21:08:51 glass: yeah, i bought 6 pairs of the at $10 a piece May 21 21:08:56 lol May 21 21:08:59 rm_you: thats a really nice deal May 21 21:09:11 i run a pair through the laundry every month or so, i can't afford to buy more expensive headphones :p May 21 21:09:41 they have gone up, but they're still no more than $20 each May 21 21:09:50 heh, good phones survive a wash May 21 21:09:57 these SURVIVE May 21 21:09:59 CX100 at least did May 21 21:10:01 but they get really muddy sounding May 21 21:10:05 hehe May 21 21:10:07 so i give em away May 21 21:10:08 and CX didn't May 21 21:10:08 :P May 21 21:10:09 :P May 21 21:10:13 (after drying) May 21 21:10:36 most likely yours' membrane sticked to something May 21 21:11:02 ooh, X-Fade is here May 21 21:11:56 yeah i thought about taking em apart May 21 21:12:00 but it wasn't worth the time May 21 21:12:08 sure May 21 21:12:09 $10 is like.... 20 minutes of work May 21 21:12:11 lol May 21 21:12:15 if they cost $100, then why not May 21 21:12:20 yeah May 21 21:12:28 i used to spend so much time fixing stuff like that May 21 21:12:38 then i realized i could just go to work for an hour and buy three new pair May 21 21:12:44 it was a revelation :P May 21 21:12:55 heh May 21 21:12:57 lol May 21 21:13:09 I lost these CX100 (or they got stolen, not sure) May 21 21:13:12 ;P May 21 21:13:17 :( May 21 21:13:22 thus had to upgrade to CX300 May 21 21:13:31 so sad... :p May 21 21:13:48 they are funny sonically May 21 21:14:18 i got cx300 too May 21 21:14:21 theyre ok May 21 21:14:38 I'd like something more neutral, but ordering Ety from US will be hard - got no real credit card May 21 21:14:51 same with Germany May 21 21:14:52 paypal May 21 21:14:52 paypal? May 21 21:15:09 no, payshit doesn't work May 21 21:15:10 don't need no real card, visa electron or such debit should do it? May 21 21:15:19 although... why not ;P May 21 21:15:25 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_1556.jpg :P May 21 21:15:30 I'll try it next time. May 21 21:15:41 it works.. had to use it just last week for some work stuff.. and i trust paypal more than i trust chinese May 21 21:15:50 Cptnodegard: mmmmh, Beyers... May 21 21:16:02 you can transfer money to paypal using bank transfer May 21 21:16:14 AStorm yup May 21 21:16:22 so it provides an useful service for buying from dodgy dealers(when buying pirated copies of modchips one might not trust the seller too mch) May 21 21:16:45 Cptnodegard: I know May 21 21:16:45 lol May 21 21:16:47 yeah I love paypal May 21 21:17:04 Cptnodegard: I got one cheap Beyer DT-230 too, overly good for the price May 21 21:17:07 only ever had money taken once, and it was my fault not paypal's.... and i got it back within a month with paypal's complaint service, sooooo May 21 21:17:09 a bit bass thin May 21 21:17:11 i must say that pirated modchips are the most attitude product i've ever bought May 21 21:17:20 AStorm dont you mean dt231? May 21 21:17:27 uh, 231, yes May 21 21:17:28 ;> May 21 21:17:33 the irony, pirated modchips... May 21 21:17:37 i had those May 21 21:17:38 lol those headphones are bigger than the n800 :P May 21 21:17:41 converted them to A2dp May 21 21:17:46 rm_you: yeah, they're for the laptop May 21 21:17:53 lol May 21 21:17:54 http://captain-odegard.com/beyerdynamic-dt231-bluetooth-mod.html May 21 21:17:56 nice for games etc. May 21 21:18:01 comfy May 21 21:18:09 sold those to a friend May 21 21:18:14 the dt231 bt May 21 21:18:53 should these have a bit more bass, they'd be great May 21 21:18:55 I need one of those $25 bluetooth things May 21 21:19:02 rm_you: get the $50 one May 21 21:19:06 did you ever try the more expensive one? May 21 21:19:06 anybody used bluetooth earphones with n8x0 here? May 21 21:19:15 Saviq: yes May 21 21:19:19 rm_you: I did, but don't have enough dough to spare May 21 21:19:23 dont do that, spikes the cpu from what ive heard May 21 21:19:25 Like the moto s9 or something? May 21 21:19:51 Saviq: I used some logitec ones i bought in Akihabara May 21 21:20:05 Cptnodegard: oh :/ May 21 21:20:24 not the logitech you know... in japan it's a different brand, and the big name logitech is "logicool", lol May 21 21:20:40 AStorm: so you've tried both? May 21 21:20:41 * qwerty12_N800 loves $30 a2dp headset that you plug any headphones into and it does mp3dec on the headset too so cpu usage is less on n800 :/ May 21 21:20:45 ive ordered another a2dp receiver.... going to mod a pair of koss ksc75 clip on phones with it and use it with my nokia e51 when it comes - while biking. also use a BT gps and sports tracker May 21 21:20:57 rm_you: I tried many different headphones May 21 21:21:19 pity I don't have like $500 to spare May 21 21:21:27 the best solution for the tablets i think woul dbe a BT transmitter May 21 21:21:36 AStorm: so, between the $25 and $50 bt receivers, was there realy a noticable difference? May 21 21:21:38 qwerty12_N800: yeah well it kinda misses the wireless part... May 21 21:21:42 rm_you: ah, that May 21 21:21:47 Cptnodegard: i've had good luck working on a2dp on the n800 May 21 21:21:50 we used similar here in labs May 21 21:21:58 Oh? a2dp works on the n800? May 21 21:22:03 yeah May 21 21:22:06 $25 one introduced major noise and crackles May 21 21:22:11 define "good luck" May 21 21:22:12 :d May 21 21:22:24 Cptnodegard: have you followed johnx and my work at all? May 21 21:22:32 no.... :3 May 21 21:22:40 rm_you: we didn't use the exact one that guy tested May 21 21:22:42 rm_you: Does it require lots of CPU? I tried a2dp on the 770, and it ate my batteries. May 21 21:22:43 got it so videos play sound over a2dp PERFECTLY with mplayer May 21 21:22:54 not too much May 21 21:22:55 without cpu spikes? May 21 21:22:57 Saviq, I can live with that wire :) May 21 21:22:57 yeah May 21 21:23:00 it's very stable May 21 21:23:04 rm_you: Cool! where do I get it? May 21 21:23:08 it uses a bit extra, but... it isn't horrible May 21 21:23:22 canola support? :3 May 21 21:23:26 music still has some issues, but there are workarounds May 21 21:23:33 Cptnodegard: still working on it May 21 21:23:33 Cptnodegard: works, why wouldn't it? May 21 21:23:43 need to force canola to use mplayer as a music backend May 21 21:23:46 yes May 21 21:23:47 I mostly want a2dp music, so I can listen to music while I unicycle. May 21 21:23:50 haven't figured out how to do that yet May 21 21:23:56 shapr: well, it works with Kagu May 21 21:23:58 and UKMP May 21 21:24:01 Spiffy! May 21 21:24:01 http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/Speakers.16/ibluon.260/BT-TD03/iBluon_Bluetooth_Stereo_Audio_Transmitter.2441.html would be an easier solution though :3 May 21 21:24:02 you can have canola support, make atabake use mplayer rather than oms May 21 21:24:03 That's enough for me. May 21 21:24:19 qwerty12_N800: yeah i know it's possible, just don't know how May 21 21:24:22 qwerty12_N800: and a way to use the same phones for my phonecalls is a must for me May 21 21:24:22 I do wish I could play FLACs over a2dp :-( May 21 21:24:26 but it sure owuld be awesome to have a2dp working perfectly May 21 21:24:31 shapr: you can May 21 21:24:35 how? May 21 21:24:36 vi ~/.atabake/config May 21 21:24:40 shapr: mplayer should know it May 21 21:24:40 Do they get dynamically recoded? May 21 21:24:43 smth like that May 21 21:24:45 shapr: you cannot :p May 21 21:24:47 shapr: i listen to my Nightwish flac files on a2dp :P May 21 21:24:56 Cptnodegard: why not? May 21 21:25:03 mplayer can play flac May 21 21:25:07 they wont be flac anymore since flac bitrate is way over BT 2.0 specs May 21 21:25:09 CANOLA can play flac May 21 21:25:14 well, yes May 21 21:25:18 but they still PLAY May 21 21:25:20 Cptnodegard: BT 2.1 FTW May 21 21:25:23 FLAC isn't a supported codec for a2dp, does mplayer re-code on the fly? May 21 21:25:35 mplayer re-encodes mp3 on the fly too... May 21 21:25:38 but it's still too slow May 21 21:25:38 it has to be coded to SBC May 21 21:25:43 huh May 21 21:25:53 I don't remember the quality of the SBC codec... May 21 21:25:54 lardman is working on a DSP SBC encoder May 21 21:25:55 BT is much too slow for sound May 21 21:25:56 * shapr asks wikipedia May 21 21:25:57 which will be nice May 21 21:26:01 who votes for wifi phones? May 21 21:26:02 ;P May 21 21:26:03 rm_you: That would be especially cool! May 21 21:26:05 lol May 21 21:26:06 yeah May 21 21:26:16 when he finishes that, i'm going to buy him a CASE of beer :P May 21 21:26:24 Yeah, I'd buy him a beer, definitely. May 21 21:26:34 anyways, the post is on ITT somewhere, lemmie find it May 21 21:26:38 thanks May 21 21:26:46 meh i need to get to bed... exam tomorrow :/ May 21 21:27:00 wonder if i can pass the n800 as a calculator May 21 21:27:03 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468 May 21 21:27:07 lol May 21 21:27:08 run tiemu and smily pretty May 21 21:27:10 Cptnodegard: I could May 21 21:27:15 run HP calc May 21 21:27:16 Hehe May 21 21:27:19 i cant :( May 21 21:27:22 TIEmu is nicer May 21 21:27:23 the newest mplayer now includes my patch May 21 21:27:24 ah, right, no May 21 21:27:27 i tried :/ May 21 21:27:28 i got a ti92 rom on the emu May 21 21:27:30 they'll think it's a cell phone May 21 21:27:32 so don't have to worry about that anymore May 21 21:27:37 just follow his guide May 21 21:27:43 he has a deb at the bottom that does most of the work May 21 21:27:48 "nokia" gives it away May 21 21:28:03 it's sad, OFFICIAL a2dp support can't be that far away May 21 21:28:09 and it's been working for like a year now May 21 21:28:13 qwerty12_N800: nah May 21 21:28:20 it looks too much like an iPhone May 21 21:28:33 we dont have iphones here :p May 21 21:28:39 aww May 21 21:28:47 sec, gonna go grab my n800/BT headphones May 21 21:28:56 gcc version 4.2.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite 2008q1-126) May 21 21:28:56 count urself lucky :p May 21 21:28:57 :) May 21 21:29:12 KotCzarny: finally May 21 21:29:15 nope May 21 21:29:24 reinstalling again May 21 21:29:24 Cptnodegard: we have iPhone look-alikes May 21 21:29:28 machine crashed May 21 21:29:29 :> May 21 21:29:39 oh well, sleep -> exam -> possibly SSH myself into the front of a passing trailer May 21 21:29:39 only thing good about iphone is that i get free youtube in o2 shop May 21 21:29:40 nooooo! May 21 21:29:47 i should really take that hdd with badblock out May 21 21:29:56 heh May 21 21:30:03 has anyone got kismet working on os2008? May 21 21:30:11 yes, some people May 21 21:30:13 for short time May 21 21:30:16 ;) May 21 21:32:37 * AStorm thinks people should be shot for using phase inversion as a cheap replacement for real surround May 21 21:33:42 sounds like sh*t on headphones May 21 21:34:34 lol May 21 21:34:40 what's the sound of sh*t ? May 21 21:35:01 you know, why do you ask? ;P May 21 21:35:06 Sort of like static, on a biological level. May 21 21:35:58 yeah so, by default music skips a lot May 21 21:36:02 but there's a way to fix that... May 21 21:36:04 * rm_you looks May 21 21:37:46 * RST38h thinks people should be shot for using real surround as a cheap replacement for penis enlargement surgery May 21 21:37:55 :> May 21 21:37:58 lmao May 21 21:38:01 shot in the ears? May 21 21:38:03 or penis? May 21 21:38:05 :) May 21 21:38:15 balloon pump is best May 21 21:38:29 hand massage is better :P May 21 21:38:50 reminds of deleted borat scene May 21 21:38:56 shopped May 21 21:39:01 they had to DELETE a scene?\ May 21 21:39:27 I mean, they did not delete the whole damn movie but had to delete a scene somehow? May 21 21:39:44 what's the bash variable for "all arguments"? May 21 21:39:51 $* May 21 21:39:52 is it $@? May 21 21:39:53 ah May 21 21:39:57 3rd update of diablo and microb still sucks cock.. May 21 21:39:58 does that include $0? May 21 21:40:00 $@ could probably work too May 21 21:40:32 $* May 21 21:40:49 But $n- will work too May 21 21:40:55 does $* include $0? May 21 21:41:00 cause I DON'T want $0 May 21 21:41:02 where n is the first argument May 21 21:41:06 rm_you: $1- May 21 21:41:11 rm_you: probably not May 21 21:41:19 let's test, shall we? :P May 21 21:41:20 * rm_you tests May 21 21:41:38 yep, works May 21 21:41:43 $* doesn't include $0 May 21 21:41:59 beware thouhg May 21 21:42:15 if you had any "blah blah" they will get splitted May 21 21:42:28 >_> May 21 21:42:30 why? May 21 21:42:35 don't ask me May 21 21:42:36 quoting doesnt work? May 21 21:42:39 >_> May 21 21:42:39 it's stupid. May 21 21:42:50 $@ doesn't break quotes May 21 21:42:52 $* does May 21 21:42:57 ever seen "$1" "$2" "$3" in scripts? May 21 21:42:58 :) May 21 21:42:59 or the other way May 21 21:43:02 astorm: o May 21 21:43:05 good to know May 21 21:43:05 AH, $@ May 21 21:43:06 see May 21 21:43:06 :) May 21 21:43:16 are there any other differences? May 21 21:43:17 i knew I used $@ for a reason :P May 21 21:43:34 also do i have to quote $@ ? May 21 21:43:50 wtf May 21 21:43:59 n800 doesn't include "nice" by default? >_> May 21 21:44:01 KotCzarny: not necessarily May 21 21:44:03 * rm_you installs nice May 21 21:44:11 rm_you: but renice is there May 21 21:44:15 rm_you: they overdid the "embedded" thingy May 21 21:44:22 built a stripped busybox May 21 21:44:34 and threw hildon May 21 21:44:35 :/ May 21 21:44:39 does nice exist in the repos? May 21 21:44:44 or do I *HAVE* to use renice May 21 21:45:08 is it in coreutils? May 21 21:45:09 coreutils exist in the repos May 21 21:45:19 but requires a moderate hack to install May 21 21:45:22 but conflicts with everything May 21 21:45:22 ;) May 21 21:45:23 work fine May 21 21:45:33 lol May 21 21:45:35 my hack works ;) May 21 21:45:36 will remove busybox >_< May 21 21:45:39 stupid May 21 21:45:41 well, with busybox at least May 21 21:45:42 :) May 21 21:45:46 ok, i guess i'll just use renice May 21 21:45:51 ;) May 21 21:45:51 though I LOVE the message it gives May 21 21:45:57 makes you type "Yes, do as I say!" :P May 21 21:46:12 copypaste May 21 21:46:12 try talking your way out of that one May 21 21:46:14 :P May 21 21:46:32 echo May 21 21:46:41 rm_you, you can extract the nice binary from coreutils. i ccan even do it from this tablet but i cant be arsed :p May 21 21:46:51 "well, I installed this app, and it broke my n800." "well, did it warn you about anything?" "well, it did make me explicitly tell it to override all safety protocols...." "......." May 21 21:47:29 dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/depmod.modutils' with May 21 21:47:29 different file `/sbin/depmod', not allowed May 21 21:47:30 ok May 21 21:47:32 how to fix it? May 21 21:47:43 --force May 21 21:47:53 I suggest --force all May 21 21:48:01 LOL May 21 21:48:07 i love the default VI install... May 21 21:48:12 apt-get --force-all -f install May 21 21:48:12 E: Command line option --force-all is not understood May 21 21:48:14 "u" is not implimented May 21 21:48:15 >_< May 21 21:48:19 KotCzarny: dpkg May 21 21:48:26 rm_you: that'll teach you not to make mistakes ;) May 21 21:48:31 rm_you: yes, busybox vi, stripped down below bare essentials May 21 21:48:34 install vim May 21 21:48:38 lol yes May 21 21:49:02 same error with dpkg and force May 21 21:49:05 hrm May 21 21:49:16 i wonder how to get mplayer to give me its PID back May 21 21:49:23 pidof May 21 21:49:24 KotCzarny: then remove that depmod May 21 21:49:28 who cares about it ;P May 21 21:49:55 how to find which pkg owns it? May 21 21:49:59 renice wotever `pidof mplayer` May 21 21:50:03 apt-cache? May 21 21:50:12 qwerty12_N800: where wotever == -5 May 21 21:50:12 and? May 21 21:50:16 dpkg -S or something May 21 21:50:19 :> May 21 21:50:41 dpkg -S /sbin/depmod May 21 21:50:41 dpkg: /sbin/depmod not found. May 21 21:54:04 it's depmod.modutils ;P May 21 21:54:13 I suspect it's from busybox May 21 21:54:25 * KotCzarny went into rm frenzy May 21 21:54:58 that works too May 21 21:55:03 dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/share/man/fr/man5/modules.modutils.5.gz' with May 21 21:55:03 different file `/usr/share/man/fr/man5/modules.5.gz', not allowed May 21 21:55:09 fun, isn't it? May 21 21:55:09 :) May 21 21:55:35 you speak french? i sure dont. delete! :p May 21 21:56:18 KotCzarny: :> May 21 21:56:39 bah how do i make this show me priorities May 21 21:56:51 both ps and top aren't giving me the column they normally do for priorities May 21 21:56:51 rm_you: top May 21 21:56:52 :) May 21 21:56:58 >_> May 21 21:57:04 just unpack normal top from coreutils May 21 21:57:07 lol May 21 21:57:09 bah May 21 21:57:10 and put into /usr/local May 21 21:57:17 rm_you: grab procps May 21 21:57:20 the problem is i don't have wireless on my n800 at the moment May 21 21:57:26 KotCzarny: it's not in coreutils, but in procps May 21 21:57:33 whatever :> May 21 21:57:38 mmmkay May 21 21:57:38 any other way to do it? May 21 21:57:42 btw, could you build us htop? May 21 21:57:47 seems like i have newest qemu and gcc May 21 21:58:01 it's already available - htop that is May 21 21:58:12 nokia built it themselves May 21 21:58:30 really? May 21 21:58:33 couldn't find it May 21 21:59:01 google sp-error-visualiser, same page as that May 21 22:00:10 KotCzarny, lucky :p. new qemu works but new compilers f*ck up in my sbox May 21 22:00:33 :) May 21 22:00:41 define 'f*ck up' May 21 22:01:06 DAMN May 21 22:01:09 this is pissing me off >_< May 21 22:01:22 i try compiling a program and it says it's for wrong arch May 21 22:01:30 O.o May 21 22:01:30 is there seriously no way to see the current priority of a process without getting a custom version of top or ps? May 21 22:01:38 hm.... how do I press Fxx keys in htop? ;p May 21 22:01:43 rm_you: maybe in /proc ? May 21 22:01:55 ah, tab them ;P May 21 22:01:56 astorm: use xvkbg May 21 22:01:59 xvkbd May 21 22:02:01 *tap May 21 22:02:04 no need to May 21 22:02:12 rm_you, usb a binary over May 21 22:02:15 they're sensitive to the mouse press May 21 22:02:34 ah i can bluetooth it May 21 22:02:45 do i need coreutils or procps? May 21 22:02:50 procps May 21 22:02:52 procps May 21 22:02:54 k May 21 22:03:04 or htop instead May 21 22:03:08 which is top, but better May 21 22:03:47 KotCzarny: ok, 2.6.26-rcx-omapx built May 21 22:03:58 just extract top binary tho, otherwise apt is probably whine like a p*ssy about busybox May 21 22:03:58 whoo hoo May 21 22:04:02 but boots? May 21 22:04:07 dunno yet May 21 22:04:12 waiting for your btrfs-tools May 21 22:04:27 I need to clone my rootfs to that other partition May 21 22:04:43 AStorm, you can compile n8*0 kernels but not programs? 0.o May 21 22:04:56 qwerty12_N800: cross compiler May 21 22:04:59 in Gentoo May 21 22:05:07 AStorm, ahh :) May 21 22:05:14 building programs should be possible too, but a bit of work May 21 22:05:17 and no packaging May 21 22:07:01 bleh, how do i unpack debs on this? May 21 22:07:08 i usually use tar on my pc, but it isn't working May 21 22:07:08 dpkg? May 21 22:07:12 apt-get? May 21 22:07:19 debs are packed with ar May 21 22:07:26 hrm, tar works on PC >_> May 21 22:07:29 astorm: compiled, /n800/binaries/ May 21 22:07:30 dpkg -x .deb /where/to May 21 22:07:41 KotCzarny: why not n800/dist? ;P May 21 22:07:50 dist is for .debs May 21 22:07:59 ahh, it's a tarball? May 21 22:08:02 yup May 21 22:11:33 ok, who wants anything built with a shiny new gcc 4.2.3 ? May 21 22:11:33 :) May 21 22:11:57 Aleph 1 :p May 21 22:12:30 is it in debian repo? May 21 22:12:31 :) May 21 22:12:54 probably not :) May 21 22:13:20 damnit May 21 22:13:34 you need to include mesa headers and then configure w/out opengl May 21 22:14:00 KotCzarny: yay, that worked! May 21 22:14:02 :* May 21 22:14:08 good May 21 22:14:18 because i didn't knew to which glibc it was linked May 21 22:14:19 ;) May 21 22:15:45 who cares, use static uclibc ;P May 21 22:16:06 not included by default May 21 22:16:07 :) May 21 22:16:49 ok, now May 21 22:16:57 how would I best clone a running system? May 21 22:17:10 ah, answered myself, run my new kernel or an old one May 21 22:17:14 with a diff initfs May 21 22:17:21 and run cp -a May 21 22:17:29 or maybe... May 21 22:17:38 mount the rootfs somewhere else, then cp -a May 21 22:17:39 :> May 21 22:18:00 mount --bind May 21 22:18:07 yes May 21 22:18:12 or just normal mount May 21 22:18:14 otherwise you end up copying junk May 21 22:18:37 hrm, weird May 21 22:18:43 astorm: wanna my clone.sh script? May 21 22:18:51 it will format card and copy and everything May 21 22:18:52 ;) May 21 22:19:02 KotCzarny: nah, I'll be done before you'll gimme the link May 21 22:21:00 wow i'm dumb May 21 22:21:22 i'm like... WHY ISN'T MY RENICE WORKING!??! THE COMMAND WORKS WHEN I TYPE IT OUTSIDE THE SCRIPT BUT NOT IN THE SCRIPT, WTF!!! May 21 22:21:30 and then i realized i forgot to background mplayer :P May 21 22:21:35 copy in progress ; May 21 22:21:36 :> May 21 22:21:53 :) May 21 22:22:50 done May 21 22:22:57 time for reboot May 21 22:23:01 ah, not yet done May 21 22:23:06 top lied to me ;) May 21 22:23:52 cpu is busy unpacking jffs2 May 21 22:24:00 just updated the diablo and then flashed the rotation kernel, boots May 21 22:24:28 diablo kernel doesn't like 810 May 21 22:24:31 :p May 21 22:24:37 O.o May 21 22:24:56 hrw|gone: talk to eero May 21 22:25:07 they were asking if we could pull it into diablo May 21 22:25:14 it seems it didn't work w/ the tutorial May 21 22:25:23 i'm not sure if that was the flash bits or not May 21 22:28:05 copy done, time for test reboot May 21 22:29:04 ok, bedtime May 21 22:29:12 argh, have to mod initfs May 21 22:29:35 ha got it May 21 22:29:37 simple May 21 22:29:50 so, if you renice mplayer to -5 then it won't skip playing a2dp May 21 22:30:06 but still will hog the cpu? May 21 22:30:07 yes, it's because O(1) sched is stupid May 21 22:30:12 no May 21 22:30:13 and esd is reniced to -5 May 21 22:30:24 it's weird May 21 22:30:27 ditch esd and all will be well May 21 22:30:29 :> May 21 22:30:30 it only uses like 25% cpu playing audio May 21 22:30:34 or nice it to 0 May 21 22:30:37 but without renice -5, it skips May 21 22:30:44 yeah May 21 22:30:54 xorg and everything get in the way May 21 22:31:01 it works FINE with video May 21 22:31:04 which makes no sense May 21 22:31:14 because it is working harder May 21 22:31:15 unfair, random scheduling ;P May 21 22:31:16 but whatev May 21 22:31:35 run while true; do; done May 21 22:31:40 and see it fail May 21 22:32:13 ok so yeah, i guess it does use 40-50% on a2dp May 21 22:32:24 but at least it works nicely May 21 22:32:48 if you want to listen to music for like 4 hours tho, it won't exactly work on battery <_< May 21 22:32:56 but it's nice when i'm at home or for short periods May 21 22:33:01 like when i go to class May 21 22:33:26 again, can't wait till lardman finishes working on the DSP-SBC encoder :p May 21 22:34:03 ok, where do I get jffs2 tools? May 21 22:34:10 are they not in extras? May 21 22:34:13 no no May 21 22:34:17 I mean, like, in Gentoo May 21 22:34:45 oh, lo May 21 22:34:46 lol May 21 22:35:24 maybe the name is different May 21 22:35:32 mtd-utils? May 21 22:35:34 emerge -S jffs2? May 21 22:35:51 i may go back to gentoo this summer May 21 22:35:57 mtd-utils are there May 21 22:35:57 ubuntu/debian has been pissing me off May 21 22:36:08 it drops me to initfs with boot failures like 4/5 reboots May 21 22:36:36 astorm: just get fanoush initfs-flasher May 21 22:36:40 mtd-utils are inside May 21 22:36:45 not all May 21 22:36:54 KotCzarny: not mkfs.jffs2 May 21 22:36:57 necessary for initfs building May 21 22:37:00 that is May 21 22:37:05 and I still want these on Gentoo ;P May 21 22:37:17 hrm May 21 22:37:33 yes, it's in mtd-utils May 21 22:37:41 flash_eraseall mkfs.jffs2 nanddump nandwrite sumtool May 21 22:37:43 I think canola may not be happy hooking into mplayer when /usr/bin/mplayer is actually my own bash script >_> May 21 22:37:44 mkfs.jffs2 is part of mtd-utils, it's how i've been building initfs's May 21 22:37:59 it's entirely failing to start playing anything May 21 22:38:05 qwerty: it's included .. May 21 22:39:10 i've got all the arm mtd-utils built :/ May 21 22:39:21 :) May 21 22:39:37 fanoush gave me source because git wouldn't compile for me :) May 21 22:39:37 hehe May 21 22:39:45 ok, time to flash the initfs May 21 22:41:19 yeah, darn... May 21 22:41:32 anyone know how kagu/canola hook into mplayer? May 21 22:41:37 i guess it doesn't like my scripts May 21 22:42:59 these use so-called embedded mode May 21 22:43:04 call mplayer with some args May 21 22:43:39 hrm May 21 22:43:58 well, when i use a script that is essentially just "mplayer.real $@" it doesnt work May 21 22:44:30 maybe you need -idle -slave ? May 21 22:44:36 and probably -v too May 21 22:44:39 but it should pass those on May 21 22:44:40 >_> May 21 22:44:43 right? May 21 22:44:51 don't know May 21 22:44:53 <_< May 21 22:44:53 debug to /tmp May 21 22:45:02 ie. echo "$@" >/tmp/something May 21 22:45:10 you will know what's passed May 21 22:45:18 lol May 21 22:45:21 good idea :P May 21 22:45:25 i know :P May 21 22:46:18 now where did I misplace that µUSB cable... May 21 22:46:36 lol May 21 22:46:36 ;) May 21 22:47:55 i wonder if it's failing to quote properly May 21 22:47:57 it might be May 21 22:49:25 got it :-) May 21 22:49:28 yep, quoting issues May 21 22:49:33 plays things without spaces May 21 22:50:19 hrm... $1- doesnt seem to work? May 21 22:50:21 or is that wrong May 21 22:50:26 it is wrong May 21 22:50:28 use $@ May 21 22:50:34 i use $@ May 21 22:50:39 then quote it too May 21 22:50:39 just trying to check out alternatives May 21 22:50:45 try "$@" May 21 22:50:55 if I quote $@ it'll put the quotes around every arg >_> May 21 22:51:18 that's good May 21 22:51:19 :) May 21 22:51:20 how can I tell which processes are using /mnt/mmc1? May 21 22:51:23 no? May 21 22:51:25 it'll be... May 21 22:51:25 fuser -m shows nothing May 21 22:51:45 jdiaz: then it's the swapfile May 21 22:51:47 :-) May 21 22:51:48 mplayer "-slave -quite -forceidx /path/to/mp3.mp3" May 21 22:51:49 $*? May 21 22:51:51 lsof ? May 21 22:51:52 oh May 21 22:51:56 uh oh May 21 22:51:57 true May 21 22:52:08 not what i need May 21 22:52:12 so I can't access that card trough usb... May 21 22:52:26 i think? May 21 22:53:05 disable swap temporally :P May 21 22:53:40 can I disable it even if virtual memory is in use? May 21 22:53:58 -quiet? May 21 22:54:11 swapoff /xx/xx May 21 22:54:47 $@ without quotes if you're doing it that way, I would think. May 21 22:54:54 args=$@ May 21 22:54:55 mplayer $args May 21 22:55:54 wouldn't it suck for files with ; or " " in name? May 21 22:55:55 :> May 21 22:56:12 yes, it would May 21 22:56:38 ok, mysql is buildin, night people May 21 22:56:44 " " should be OK, because the filename should be in quotes or have escaped spaces by the time it gets there. May 21 22:56:59 ; is just gross. ;) May 21 22:57:06 fysa: but you are assigning it to a variable May 21 22:57:14 and then using that variable May 21 22:57:25 which sh will break into pieces May 21 22:57:31 night May 21 22:57:31 :) May 21 23:06:45 is there a way to set up an AUTO renice? May 21 23:07:04 like... processes with name "x" always start with priority -5? May 21 23:08:05 impossible w/o a daemon May 21 23:08:17 btw, how do I loop mount a jffs2? May 21 23:09:07 as my initfs is failing for some reason May 21 23:09:13 this is aggrivating. i hate quoting issues May 21 23:16:17 argh, for some reason, my initfs doesn't boot ;P May 21 23:17:06 Hrm... is there a working blog editor for maemo? May 21 23:18:08 there is something on the repos for wordpress May 21 23:18:46 maemo-blog? May 21 23:20:15 * flo_lap needs more time May 21 23:20:40 Porting Drivel should be easy... May 21 23:21:01 ok, right, that init script has had things commented out ;P May 21 23:21:10 anyway, that btrfs doesn't boot for some reason or another May 21 23:22:00 anyone know if it is possible to get UKMP to use mplayer as a backend? May 21 23:22:33 ah, right, invalid module format May 21 23:22:39 have to copy a real module there then May 21 23:23:11 wtf May 21 23:23:32 i don't understand how REAL mplayer is able to parse the commandlines of these programs... May 21 23:23:46 the paths everything is sending are NOT quoted to begin with <_< May 21 23:24:01 I really need to figure out how to force quoting May 21 23:24:02 AH May 21 23:28:45 hmm, boot failed May 21 23:28:54 why did it, dammit? May 21 23:28:54 ;P May 21 23:35:02 wow, think i got it May 21 23:35:06 that was way too complicated May 21 23:35:14 i had to manually process each arg and see if it needed quoting May 21 23:43:41 whee, it's booting from btrfs :-) May 21 23:45:45 to add, it booted noticeably faster May 21 23:50:50 great, now mplayer is complaining about something with dbus and just crashing May 21 23:51:49 ok, my N needs a big charge up for the next phase May 21 23:51:58 this is silly.... May 21 23:52:10 now i have it adding escapes to the spaces in filenames May 21 23:52:14 and it STILL isn't working May 21 23:53:29 wtf May 21 23:53:34 possibly embedded mode uses pid of the process? May 21 23:53:36 so apparently mplayer just FAILS now May 21 23:53:38 this is random May 21 23:53:50 heh May 21 23:54:02 i even ditched my script... May 21 23:54:09 just straight mplayer now crashes trying to do anything May 21 23:54:12 :P May 21 23:54:13 even after a reboot May 21 23:54:25 brb, moving to N810 May 21 23:54:27 that doesnt make sense >_< I didn't do anything to it... May 21 23:55:53 D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": no such file or directory May 21 23:56:12 MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver May 21 23:56:25 ideas? May 21 23:56:30 it worked like 15 minutes ago May 21 23:57:15 can someone check and see if your n800/n810 actually has a file in /var/lib/dbus ? May 21 23:57:22 mine definately doesn't May 21 23:59:11 Neither has mine May 21 23:59:16 (810) May 21 23:59:18 hrm May 21 23:59:22 maybe that isn't the problem then May 21 23:59:34 Guess so ;) Sorry May 21 23:59:37 MPlayer interrupted by signal 6 in module: stop_maemo_screensaver May 21 23:59:39 i wonder why May 22 00:00:33 Sry, 2 am in the morning and I have to return this f...ing Nokia phone to a shop tomorrow. May 22 00:00:40 heh May 22 00:00:41 which model? May 22 00:00:43 I'm out, leaving in a minute ;) May 22 00:00:45 E51 May 22 00:01:49 good night May 22 00:02:18 Okay, I'm out for a nap. Good luck with mplayer May 22 00:02:42 night May 22 00:04:30 hrm well i guess that was the problem May 22 00:04:43 i generated a machine-id with dbus-uuidgen and now it works May 22 00:05:14 hehe May 22 00:05:33 but that's wierd... because i dont think it's EVER had one... it just started requiring it in the last 15 minutes!? May 22 00:05:50 maybe some things it's best not to question May 22 00:06:23 WTF and now mplayer is laggy as @&*#^@! May 22 00:07:01 something definately happened May 22 00:07:03 wtf May 22 00:10:38 what could possibly have happened in the last hour that makes mplayer lag to all hell on videos that used to play just fine May 22 00:11:04 hmm, browser is talking abt. missing storage dir May 22 00:11:59 gonna try rebooting it again May 22 00:12:04 with a battery out in the middle May 22 00:13:01 oh, I see, ext card didn't mound May 22 00:13:53 hrm, rebooting three times and taking the battery out seems to have solved it?! May 22 00:18:06 hrm May 22 00:18:14 so now it works as long as i don't run it from the console?! May 22 00:18:27 i've returned the mplayer setup to DEFAULT May 22 00:18:32 why is this worse than it was before!? May 22 00:20:51 failure May 22 00:21:45 no poker games, I can find. and the sudoku won't install May 22 00:21:48 for os2008 May 22 00:40:18 koyote, the one in the repos doesn't work? May 22 00:42:05 the one what? May 22 00:42:08 sudoku? nope May 22 00:42:22 fails to install May 22 00:43:10 worked for me May 22 00:57:17 I have a question about a keyboard on the n800 i read that you can hook a keyboard up to it through the usb with out a powered hub is that true. May 22 00:57:28 depends on the keyboard May 22 00:57:31 and may require kernel hacks May 22 00:57:33 brb May 22 00:57:37 cool May 22 01:14:47 hrm May 22 01:15:17 hallo May 22 01:15:28 hi May 22 01:15:40 somebody has any experience with the iGo bluetooth keyboard ? May 22 01:15:40 I can't seem to manage to pair mine May 22 01:16:10 sorry i am new to the maemo distro and nokia products May 22 01:16:12 ah found May 22 01:17:35 has anyone had bad experiences running remote x programs on the n800 or such. I found that the keyboard will not popup for text entry May 22 01:29:11 It won't :P May 22 01:29:20 It wasn't designed to May 22 01:34:08 nice answer. nice and clean May 22 01:34:14 thanks May 22 01:34:37 however it is still useful how it is May 22 01:35:23 it is kind of nice running firefox on my server and viewing it on the n800 May 22 01:35:33 i use vncviewer for that May 22 01:38:27 i will have to try that. however i like the program centric view when running it over x. May 22 01:41:40 i had a funny problem with my n800 recently. I went on a trip for a few weeks and then had lots of school and had not logged in as root on my nokia for a few months but then i wanted to fool around a little and had forgot the root password. May 22 01:44:16 lol May 22 01:44:24 and because i set the password in a hurry before the trip i didnt know that the password was. May 22 01:44:35 how would you deal with that May 22 01:44:46 hrm May 22 01:44:56 did you ever set up gainroot? May 22 01:45:09 install the gainroot package in redpill mode in the application manager May 22 01:45:19 IE, download the deb and double click it / just run it May 22 01:45:20 it doesnt show up May 22 01:45:36 then you can do "sudo gainroot" in a terminal and change the password manually May 22 01:45:41 err May 22 01:45:55 oh yes i had that but it wont work over the top May 22 01:45:55 sorry, i think the package you want is "becomeroot" May 22 01:46:11 it asks for the root password May 22 01:46:15 erm May 22 01:46:17 it shouldn't May 22 01:46:23 once you install becomeroot May 22 01:46:35 it should just let you right in May 22 01:46:41 well sorry for the help i did fix it by having my computer crack the password May 22 01:47:16 i was just mainly asking for an opinion May 22 01:47:25 it took weeks to crack it May 22 01:47:38 lol May 22 01:47:48 luckly i set a easy password for the cracker May 22 01:48:04 well, installing becomeroot REALLY should fix the problem May 22 01:48:25 well i believe i did that or tried that. owell May 22 01:48:31 i will try it May 22 02:00:42 rm_you: thanks May 22 02:06:25 rm_you, have you divined any magical Hildon Methods for Great Success yet? May 22 02:09:43 not yet :/ May 22 02:09:55 build box is still in a shipping crate somewhere in the midwest of USA May 22 02:09:56 Why are you so lazy? :P May 22 02:10:08 lol May 22 02:10:08 That's no excuse! May 22 02:10:17 i've been working on what i can while all i have is my tablet May 22 02:10:21 wanna set me up a buildbox? :P May 22 02:10:23 i'll use it :P May 22 02:10:35 No x86 machines handy. . . . May 22 02:10:39 >_> May 22 02:10:47 that's what you get for being a Mac freak, lol May 22 02:10:57 Meh, I'm probably better off. ;) May 22 02:11:01 * rm_you glares askance at GeneralAntilles May 22 02:11:07 pffft May 22 02:11:14 This way I have an excuse for dumping everything on other people. May 22 02:11:16 Like you. May 22 02:11:19 lol May 22 02:11:33 I dislike Windows a whole hell of a lot, but I dislike Mac possibly more May 22 02:11:47 I can't imagine why May 22 02:11:52 not because of the software, but because I think Steve Jobs gets his rocks off by making his customers go through shit May 22 02:11:53 I haven't touched a mac in my whole life May 22 02:11:58 It'll be at least mildly familiar to most Linux users. May 22 02:12:16 I just *really* hate Steve Jobs May 22 02:12:19 If anything, Steve has made things better for me. May 22 02:12:24 Well, minus the Newton. May 22 02:12:34 it seems like he takes every opportunity to see how much shit his customers will put up with May 22 02:12:42 lol May 22 02:13:19 you have to buy *insert official Apple accessory here* to do almost anything May 22 02:13:34 Maybe for the mobile stuff May 22 02:13:38 but the mobile stuff is shit May 22 02:13:46 hell, they managed to make it so non-apple headphones won't plug in to what SHOULD be a standard 3.5mm jack >_< May 22 02:13:54 Looking at my G5, only one "accessory" is Apple May 22 02:13:57 and that's my old 20" ASD May 22 02:14:50 They're like "Oh, I suppose we could make it so people could plug any old pair of headphones into this iPhone... Oh! WAIT! If we just inset the plug a tiny bit, it will make people have to buy our crappy headphones instead! Win? Win!" May 22 02:15:09 Meh, like I said, the mobile stuff sucks. May 22 02:16:14 You can't sit for a week after buying an apple product because you're sore from having Steve Jobs' &@$@ so far up your ass... May 22 02:16:41 hah May 22 02:16:42 I'll stop ranting now, with the final comment: Apple can shove its proprietary cabling up its @&$. May 22 02:17:05 Now, back to having fun on my linux device :P May 22 02:17:55 I got my friend to love Macs and I'm having a hard time getting him to stop loving iPods May 22 02:18:04 <_< May 22 02:18:10 Navi: Mac owner? May 22 02:18:14 No :P May 22 02:18:17 lol May 22 02:18:28 was going to ask if you sat on a donut pillow :P May 22 02:18:58 I told him to get a Mac 'cuz he sucks at choosing porn sources May 22 02:19:04 LOL May 22 02:19:06 Gets a virus every other week May 22 02:19:07 get linux for that :P May 22 02:19:14 apt-get install pornview May 22 02:19:14 :P May 22 02:19:19 porn-get May 22 02:19:19 :/ May 22 02:19:27 * rm_you notes that pornview is actually a damn good image thumbnail viewer May 22 02:19:33 I use it for reading comics :P May 22 02:19:50 it just has a hilariously awesome name May 22 02:20:04 lol May 22 02:24:22 what are the devices on an n800? is mmc1 (internal or external) and what is /dev/mmcblk0 May 22 02:24:40 mmc1 is external May 22 02:25:07 mmcblk0 is internal May 22 02:25:17 The mmc1/2 thing is a throwback to the 770. May 22 02:25:44 okay, so /dev/mmcblk0=internal /dev/mmcblk1=external? May 22 02:26:05 Right May 22 02:26:27 how will they look if i load the nit as a usb device on my linux box? May 22 02:26:40 /dev/sda1/... May 22 02:27:06 Haven't a clue May 22 02:27:18 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 Mmm . . . that alone makes Diablo's Xterm much more pleasant. May 22 02:28:07 ok. do you know if fanoush's initfs works on 51-3? his website only lists up to 50-2 May 22 02:28:27 51-3 and 50-2 are the same except for NOLO May 22 02:28:29 So, yes. May 22 02:28:51 OK. can i use nokia's flasher-3.0 to flash his image like i did for the os2008 .bin? May 22 02:29:37 You could May 22 02:29:44 But the way it's done is usually on the device. May 22 02:29:53 run the initfs_flash tool May 22 02:30:01 it generates an initfs based on your choosen option May 22 02:30:06 and flashes it from the device. May 22 02:31:14 ok. now. i have a 2gb internal and a 4gb external. my idea is to clone the os to the internal and to put debian on the ext. should i just make 2gb and 4gb ext2(ext3) partitions? or do i need to make any swap space, any random vfat parts? May 22 02:31:53 I'd add a vfat, makes life easier. May 22 02:31:59 how so? May 22 02:32:15 Swap in OS2008 May 22 02:32:17 other reasons May 22 02:32:37 I'd do 512MB OS2008 + 1GB Debian + rest FAT on Internal May 22 02:32:44 and just leave the External for mass storage May 22 02:33:49 hrmmm, interesting. i wouldn't have thought that would be enough. i have no idea as os08 is compressed now May 22 02:34:35 my current system (barebones) reports 151 out of 256mb used May 22 02:34:58 ~45MB of Documents and crap. May 22 02:35:23 whee May 22 02:48:17 I read somewhere that flashing a nit on windows was more stable than doing it on linux, how accurate is that? (i timed out, dunno if somebody answered me) May 22 02:48:56 I've never had a problem. May 22 02:49:08 6 problem-free flashes May 22 02:50:10 beford, I'm going to hazard a guess and say there's no difference. May 22 02:50:41 Maybe "EASIER" but definitely not more stable. May 22 02:50:57 sup johnx May 22 02:51:02 hey May 22 02:51:13 Already awake? May 22 02:51:15 johnx: so apparently I made mplayer *worse* on my system somehow May 22 02:51:23 rm_you, congratulations! May 22 02:51:24 I see, thanks. May 22 02:51:25 oh, right. May 22 02:51:48 Navi, yeah. Have already been up long enough to switch to my backup internet connection >_> May 22 02:52:01 \o/ May 22 02:52:12 johnx: don't know how... i was just working on launcher script for it, and then during testing it just started crashing... removed the script, still crashed... had to do some shit with dbus-uuidgen and now it lags to hell <_< May 22 02:52:33 johnx: the one you're paying for? >_> May 22 02:52:40 johnx: apartment internet sucking again? May 22 02:52:52 the one that I might have forgotten to pay for -_- May 22 02:52:56 hah May 22 02:52:57 lol May 22 02:53:18 soooo, back to the free one \o/ May 22 02:54:55 Hrm, should this: "About Adobe Flash Player 9..." contextual menu item treated as unrequested pop-up be in User interface or Plug-ins under Browser? May 22 02:55:16 s/pop-up/pop-up"/ May 22 02:55:18 GeneralAntilles meant: Hrm, should this: "About Adobe Flash Player 9..." contextual menu item treated as unrequested pop-up" be in User interface or Plug-ins under Browser? May 22 02:56:18 * unixSnob wonders if connecting the n800 to a 500mA charger is living dangerously May 22 02:56:20 well, it opens a new window with location=adobe.com flash info May 22 02:56:40 unixSnob, no, just living with slow charging. May 22 02:57:43 Even if it's being used simultaneously? May 22 02:58:18 I've got a 380mA car charger that works fine May 22 02:58:25 If it needs more power, it gets it from the battery May 22 02:58:30 cool May 22 02:58:40 it does that with the bundled 890mA wallwart, too. May 22 02:59:01 But less power means significantly slower rapid charging. May 22 02:59:26 OK, everybody here sucks except for beford. May 22 02:59:28 :P May 22 02:59:32 I'm sticking it in Plug-ins **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 22 02:59:57 2008