**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 22 02:59:57 2008
May 22 03:01:20 <mysc> GA which ttype code for the fat? i'll use 82 for ext2 but not sure on the vfat
May 22 03:01:38 * GeneralAntilles fails at Linux filesystems.
May 22 03:02:21 <mysc> hrmm
May 22 03:03:35 <GeneralAntilles> he first one is VFAT (that's what number 6 means)
May 22 03:03:37 <GeneralAntilles> 6?
May 22 03:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card/
May 22 03:04:46 <mysc> 6 is fat16, that might work
May 22 03:17:03 <beford> uhm netsplit problems.
May 22 03:17:51 <johnx> it appears so
May 22 03:17:59 <Navi> I couldn't connect for a span
May 22 03:56:33 <mysc> hrmm, linux won't partition the sd card when n800 is plugged in via usb
May 22 03:57:38 <mysc> i was using the internal slot, is there a protection in place from allowing partitioning over usb?
May 22 03:58:42 <beford> maybe if you enabled the virtual memory, os2008 is using a file on the current partition as swap
May 22 04:02:36 <beford> does nokia 770 support os2008?
May 22 04:02:51 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-a5ee6b3cdb0011dc8afbe1ed42d754965496
May 22 04:09:09 <ravious> Does anyone know how i might go about setting mplayer as my default video player vs the one preinstalled? I've tried to search but i've not been able to find anything about it. Anyone have any advice?
May 22 04:09:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15194
May 22 04:10:16 <ravious> ty :)
May 22 04:10:42 <beford> thanks GeneralAntilles.
May 22 04:14:48 <mysc> well, can't partition from linux. neither int or ext works
May 22 04:16:03 <mysc> i guess i will have to use sfdisk from the nit
May 22 04:17:07 <soman> Hi.... what s the copy right license for Nokia_N810.avi
May 22 04:17:29 <GeneralAntilles> Probably "Copyright Nokia, Inc."
May 22 04:17:30 <GeneralAntilles> Why?
May 22 04:17:32 <soman> is that under creative commons share-alike attribution license
May 22 04:17:39 <GeneralAntilles> Highly unlikely
May 22 04:17:48 <soman> ok
May 22 04:18:04 <soman> that video cant be used for commercial purpose right
May 22 04:18:07 <soman> ???
May 22 04:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> Not unless you get permission from Nokia. . . .
May 22 04:18:34 <soman> ok...
May 22 04:19:31 <soman> where from i can get free videos that i can use for my commercial purpose
May 22 04:20:37 <GeneralAntilles> What do you need videos for?
May 22 04:20:48 <ds3> paid and by a license
May 22 04:20:52 <ds3> pay
May 22 04:21:49 <ds3> or produce your own
May 22 05:12:53 <ravious> Im trying to flash my 770 with the latest HE2007. But the linux flash utility comes back with Version of 'sw-release': <no version> then ends..
May 22 05:13:08 <GeneralAntilles> What command are you using?
May 22 05:14:18 <ravious> ./flasher2 SU-18_2007HACKER_4.2008.7-1_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
May 22 05:14:28 <GeneralAntilles> Missing something? :P
May 22 05:14:38 <GeneralAntilles> ./flasher2 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R
May 22 05:14:49 <mysc> i installed fanoush's initfs but only partition 2 on the int card is viewable, part 3 is not there (that's for the debian)
May 22 05:15:03 <ravious> ah
May 22 05:15:06 <ravious> ty again ;)
May 22 05:15:10 <GeneralAntilles> mysc, the bootmenu isn't auto-generated.
May 22 05:15:28 <GeneralAntilles> ravious, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2669
May 22 05:15:30 <GeneralAntilles> Vote on that bug.
May 22 05:16:09 <mysc> GA, the wiki said "./initfs_flash...just follow instructions"
May 22 05:16:14 <mysc> where do i edit the bootmenu?
May 22 05:16:34 <GeneralAntilles> Check the readme for details, but it's the bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example
May 22 05:16:52 <GeneralAntilles> edit it to your liking, rename it to bootmenu.conf, re-run the initfs_flash
May 22 05:17:01 <mysc> aha...thanks.
May 22 05:17:54 <rm_you> johnx: so, yeah... only annoyance so far is that i THOUGHT this came with shell access, but apparently not?
May 22 05:18:03 <rm_you> i really should double check, i may just be doing it wrong
May 22 05:18:39 <beford> how long does it takes to flash a tablet?
May 22 05:18:50 <beford> s/takes/take/
May 22 05:18:50 <infobot> beford meant: how long does it take to flash a tablet?
May 22 05:18:55 <GeneralAntilles> 30 second or so
May 22 05:18:57 <GeneralAntilles> more on USB 1.1
May 22 05:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> More on a 770 than an N8x0
May 22 05:19:58 <beford> that's pretty fast
May 22 05:20:19 <GeneralAntilles> It goes at something like 4MB/sec
May 22 05:26:41 <mysc> perfect, now to get debian on it...
May 22 05:37:10 <n800n> anyone have any good pdf to read?
May 22 05:37:26 <n800n> asimov or clark or...
May 22 05:37:45 <n800n> need kill time on n800/plane
May 22 05:37:50 <GAN800> pdf ebooks are gross. :P
May 22 05:38:01 <n800n> txt too
May 22 05:38:04 <n800n> rtf
May 22 05:38:07 <n800n> pdb
May 22 05:38:27 <oilinki> n800n: why not to download podcast and listen something?
May 22 05:38:28 <ravious> Project Gutenberg is your friend ;)
May 22 05:38:28 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, W00t, Got your bootmenu coloured mod done to the old diablo initfs :). Looks great.
May 22 05:38:31 <n800n> whatever had the least cooties
May 22 05:38:45 <n800n> hmm
May 22 05:39:03 <ravious> ew netsplit
May 22 05:39:05 <GAN800> Baen has a lot of free stuff on their website.
May 22 05:39:49 <n800n> ty, checking
May 22 05:39:59 <GAN800> Go download a couple episodes of South Park or something, too.
May 22 05:40:14 <n800n> i'll fall asleep
May 22 05:40:37 <n800n> txt will take less power too
May 22 05:40:42 <ravious> you mean, backup a couple episodes from the dvd that you purchased ;)
May 22 05:40:52 <n800n> except for audio i guess
May 22 05:41:00 <oilinki> I love the podcasts. I spend couple of weeks backpacking in cambodia and eastern-thailand.. podcasts are real friends on the 10 hour bus journeys :)
May 22 05:41:02 <qwerty12> w00t, my RS premium's limit has gone down :)
May 22 05:41:32 <n800n> i'm in honduras going back home
May 22 05:41:39 <n800n> to chicago
May 22 05:41:55 <n800n> and... i love my tablet
May 22 05:42:13 <GAN800> This American Life has a fantatsic podcast
May 22 05:42:13 <n800n> i like reading better tho
May 22 05:42:16 <oilinki> n800n: isla utila is a great place to relax and do some diving :)
May 22 05:42:56 <oilinki> friday science podcast and the naked scientists are my favorites
May 22 05:43:57 <oilinki> but hey. which os is recommended for 770? 2006,2007 or 2008?
May 22 05:44:06 <GeneralAntilles> Depends
May 22 05:44:13 <GeneralAntilles> There's no definitive answer
May 22 05:44:21 <GeneralAntilles> My recommendation is to try all three and see which works best for you.
May 22 05:44:31 <qwerty12> 770. Life's mystery.
May 22 05:44:32 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I use OS2008HE on both of mine and am very happy with it.
May 22 05:44:40 <GeneralAntilles> Morning, konttori.
May 22 05:44:47 <konttori> morning
May 22 05:44:51 * konttori goes to work
May 22 05:46:06 <oilinki> I had some problems with OS2008HE. for example I could not change the date preferences or set and alarm due lack of memory.
May 22 05:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> Did you enable virtual memory?
May 22 05:46:21 <oilinki> but I could try to reflash it again and see wether if it works
May 22 05:46:41 <oilinki> yes. I did enable it after the first problems. still it did not work
May 22 05:47:51 <GeneralAntilles> Virtual memory is an absolute necessity with OS2008HE
May 22 05:49:34 <oilinki> I put just 24MB, might need some more. my memory card was only 64.
May 22 05:50:13 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that's definitely not enough. . . .
May 22 05:50:13 <n800n> ew.
May 22 05:50:40 <GeneralAntilles> n800n, http://e2ma.net/go/948937814/838558/30376562/goto:http://hbpub.vo.llnwd.net/o16/video/olmk/tor.com/ScalziOMWMobi/Scalzi,%20John%20-%20Old%20Mans%20War.prc
May 22 05:50:44 <GeneralAntilles> Tor freebie
May 22 05:50:46 <GeneralAntilles> Old Man's War
May 22 05:51:03 <qwerty12> Go to #bookz for the godfather
May 22 05:51:24 <GeneralAntilles> oilinki, 64MB RAM + 64MB virtual memory is only 128MB, which is the same amount of RAM the N8x0 has.
May 22 05:51:29 <GeneralAntilles> So 24MB definitely doesn't cut it.
May 22 05:52:31 <oilinki> GeneralAntilles: ok. thanks for the info. I'll try to find and bigger memorycard and put some more virtual memory. do you have recommendation how much or is it just as much as possible?
May 22 05:52:42 <GeneralAntilles> As much as possible.
May 22 05:52:49 <n800n> ty
May 22 05:52:58 <GeneralAntilles> It may also be worthwhile to increase the swapiness a touch.
May 22 05:53:11 <ravious> Whats the max on the he07 on a 770 now?
May 22 05:53:18 <ravious> 2gb?
May 22 05:53:24 <GeneralAntilles> 2GB since 2006.
May 22 05:53:29 <ravious> ::nods::
May 22 05:53:31 <GeneralAntilles> They patched it around the fall.
May 22 05:54:08 <n800n> fbreader opens prc yes?
May 22 05:54:17 <qwerty12> un drm yes
May 22 05:56:47 <n800n> thanks i think i have to board
May 22 05:56:52 <n800n> laters
May 22 05:56:59 <RST38h> qwerty
May 22 05:57:00 <RST38h> GA
May 22 05:57:06 <RST38h> good morning gentlemen
May 22 05:57:14 <qwerty12> Morning RST38h :)
May 22 05:57:18 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy, RST38h.
May 22 05:57:24 <ravious> any good sip clients that anyone knows about other than giz/skp?
May 22 05:57:33 <GeneralAntilles> The built-in one.
May 22 05:57:45 <ravious> gtalk?
May 22 05:58:42 <qwerty12> Woah. A big split :/
May 22 06:00:26 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm, ravious.
May 22 06:00:32 <GeneralAntilles> gtalk, sip, jabber
May 22 06:04:56 <Navi> :|
May 22 06:06:37 <RST38h> Nave: You wanted overlapping fire buttons?
May 22 06:10:39 <Proteous> OVERLAPPING FIRE BUTTONS FOR EXTRA POWAAAA
May 22 06:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> Ha, Navi's a Nave!
May 22 06:10:53 <Proteous> nom nom nom nom
May 22 06:10:54 * qwerty12 sighs. initfs script is the same in the new initfs
May 22 06:11:02 <qwerty12> he can be anything and we still wont care :p
May 22 06:11:16 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid Navi
May 22 06:11:21 <GeneralAntilles> Relevancy is for people who don't suck.
May 22 06:13:04 <qwerty12> disq, you around?
May 22 06:16:07 <roope> akimbo tanks
May 22 06:16:31 <qwerty12> I still remember someone from .cz selling a tank on ebay.
May 22 06:16:49 <czr> it wasn't me
May 22 06:17:07 <qwerty12> You kept yours?
May 22 06:17:13 <czr> indeed
May 22 06:17:15 <roope> http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE   amazon still sells. The customer reviews are hilarious.
May 22 06:17:28 <qwerty12> czr, Mind if I borrow the keys sometime?
May 22 06:17:35 <czr> qwerty12, yes I do :-)
May 22 06:17:46 <qwerty12> czr :(
May 22 06:23:03 <mysc> well, i installed debian beta3...a few issues a) that top left icon is scary "rotate screen" does some funky stuff
May 22 06:23:17 <qwerty12> Install rotation kernel.
May 22 06:23:24 <qwerty12> if its an issue for you :/
May 22 06:23:37 <mysc> b) how do i start up wireless? do i need to set up wpa_supplicant?
May 22 06:23:50 <qwerty12> Check the wiki page, its all on there.
May 22 06:24:04 <qwerty12> Your 2nd question for sure.
May 22 06:24:57 <mysc> ok, will do. also, the buttons don't work. when the rotate thing went whack on me i had to remove the battery to reboot
May 22 06:25:17 <mysc> on/off switch is just for show :)
May 22 06:25:31 <qwerty12> Hehe, I'm always removing my battery :)
May 22 06:25:43 <qwerty12> More since I disabled lifeguard :/
May 22 06:26:07 <Navi> RST38h, oh right, yeah.
May 22 06:26:46 <RST38h> This "reseller" offers a wide selection of products: http://www.amazon.com/s/103-1897636-1001400?ie=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=misc&field-keywords=NAO%20Design
May 22 06:26:49 <RST38h> (not just tank)
May 22 06:29:07 <mysc> heh. okay, it's still beta :)
May 22 06:29:13 <qwerty12> stupid qwerty. He put utelnetd in bin rather than sbin.
May 22 06:29:26 <mysc> do the mojo folks have a similar tarball for their ubuntu project?
May 22 06:29:27 <Navi> Ugh
May 22 06:29:33 <Navi> I hate that qwerty12 guy
May 22 06:29:46 <disq> qwerty12: yep
May 22 06:29:47 <qwerty12> qwerty12 seems to hate this next Navi guy too
May 22 06:29:55 <Navi> Hmm
May 22 06:29:58 <qwerty12> disq, I have latest initfs ripped if you want to try it.
May 22 06:30:02 <Navi> Screw him
May 22 06:30:14 <disq> qwerty12: sure
May 22 06:30:23 <disq> i'd like to in fact
May 22 06:30:27 <qwerty12> Your DCC works? :/
May 22 06:30:33 <disq> ah, same question :)
May 22 06:30:41 <qwerty12> Mine seems to :)
May 22 06:34:39 <KotCzarny> yawn
May 22 06:34:41 <beford> phpBB or SMF?
May 22 06:34:42 <KotCzarny> morning
May 22 06:35:49 <qwerty12> IPB or vBulletin
May 22 06:35:51 <qwerty12> mornin
May 22 06:36:12 <beford> i haz no money
May 22 06:36:13 <beford> :P
May 22 06:36:26 <KotCzarny> goto work;
May 22 06:36:38 <qwerty12> Hehe, I don't run a forum but I'd say phpBB. Looks less cheap and it can look good with extensions.
May 22 06:37:14 <trickie_> http://fudforum.org/
May 22 06:37:18 <trickie_> if you want a php one
May 22 06:37:20 <trickie_> uise that
May 22 06:37:34 <trickie_> written by one of the core php devs, and has some clue about security
May 22 06:37:48 <trickie_> phpBB is a maintenance nightmare
May 22 06:38:35 <qwerty12> Shoot down this crap kubrick server
May 22 06:39:19 <Navi> It shows the name of the node you're connected to when it splits :P
May 22 06:39:28 <qwerty12> vaht!
May 22 06:39:44 <mysc> hah, i edited my /etc/network/interfaces and it hung before xfce started!@#$
May 22 06:40:16 <qwerty12> Boot into flash and plug in the usb cable :)
May 22 06:40:27 <mysc> okay there goes...seems like it hangs on the dhcp stuff...
May 22 06:40:35 <mysc> why would i plug in the usb cable?
May 22 06:40:49 <qwerty12> Because then you can edit the interfaces off a linux comp
May 22 06:40:59 <qwerty12> Ubuntu auto mounts my debian partition
May 22 06:41:48 <mysc> so does slack. okay i guess i need to fiddle a lot with my wpa_supplicant. i have a hidden ssid which means i need to use AP_SCAN=2 and stuff...
May 22 06:41:56 <mysc> this didn't do the trick :( no wifi
May 22 06:45:20 <Navi> Is it possible to use the claws-mail plugins with the maemo port?
May 22 06:46:03 <qwerty12> You may be able to, as long as they don't need arm recompilation. Not sure though.
May 22 06:46:19 <Navi> Well, I knew that :P
May 22 06:51:53 * qwerty12 is now running latest diablo initfs with bootmenu. Another 2 hours work :(
May 22 06:52:00 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 06:52:21 <qwerty12> At least linuxrc script is same so I don't have to compare all over again :)
May 22 06:52:31 <qwerty12> That's probably the bit I hate most :/
May 22 06:52:37 <KotCzarny> don't forget to make a backup
May 22 06:52:46 <KotCzarny> and learn how to use diff/patch
May 22 06:52:47 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 06:53:08 <qwerty12> I should do :/ but I have a lot of things I want to learn anyway.
May 22 06:53:11 <rlinfati> qwerty12:  diablo? where is for download?
May 22 06:53:11 <KotCzarny> for a start diff -U3 oldfile newfile >differences
May 22 06:53:22 <KotCzarny> that should save you comparing by hand
May 22 06:53:30 <qwerty12> Cool :)
May 22 06:53:35 <qwerty12> rlinfati, leaked beta.
May 22 06:53:39 <qwerty12> find the password :/
May 22 06:54:18 <qwerty12> Because I am vain, I have to edit the /etc/initfs_version again
May 22 06:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> What's new and exciting with the Diablo initfs and kernel, anyway?
May 22 06:54:49 <qwerty12> Kernel enables ipv6 from what I know and the initfs has ipv6 modules and some wimax stuff in it
May 22 06:54:53 <qwerty12> apart from that :/
May 22 06:54:56 <qwerty12> not much
May 22 06:54:59 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, WiMAX
May 22 06:55:16 <KotCzarny> qwerty: you can probably copy ipv6 modules
May 22 06:55:17 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 06:55:24 <qwerty12> But I run it for completeness and now that I spent the time adding in bootmenu by hand, I have no reason to use a chinook initfs
May 22 06:55:30 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, I posted them up on ITT :)
May 22 06:55:44 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 06:56:14 <KotCzarny> qwerty, can you install wireless-tools and check if iwconfig works?
May 22 06:56:21 <KotCzarny> (with diablo kernel)
May 22 06:56:42 <qwerty12> I'm not sure if I am using diablo kernel and I've only got 5 mins left :/
May 22 06:56:48 <KotCzarny> because i saw libiw in initfs and was wondering if they added support for it
May 22 06:56:58 <KotCzarny> then check after school
May 22 06:56:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 06:57:04 <qwerty12> Ok, will do :)
May 22 06:58:11 <qwerty12> There is /lib/libiw.so.29 in diablo rootfs
May 22 06:58:17 <KotCzarny> i know
May 22 06:58:23 <KotCzarny> but no iwconfig
May 22 06:58:33 <KotCzarny> so you have to install it yourself
May 22 06:58:41 <qwerty12> Maybe an wimax tool somewhere uses it :/
May 22 06:58:50 <KotCzarny> i just wonder if diablo kernel has support for it
May 22 06:58:51 <KotCzarny> hum
May 22 06:58:54 <KotCzarny> maybe
May 22 06:58:55 <qwerty12> I assume I would compile .29?
May 22 06:59:08 <KotCzarny> any will do, i guess
May 22 06:59:13 <qwerty12> fair enough
May 22 06:59:17 <rm_you> how did they choose the name Diablo, I wonder
May 22 06:59:24 <KotCzarny> from my quick check nothing depends on it in initfs
May 22 06:59:30 <rm_you> i mean... marketing-wise, tieing your product in with the lord of darkness?
May 22 06:59:35 <rm_you> doesn't seem like a smart move
May 22 06:59:37 <KotCzarny> rm_you, the next name is even worse
May 22 06:59:39 <rm_you> lol
May 22 06:59:57 <qwerty12> It's cute
May 22 06:59:59 <qwerty12> Joke :p
May 22 07:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, it's all winds.
May 22 07:00:03 <KotCzarny> elephanta
May 22 07:00:04 <rm_you> lol?
May 22 07:00:05 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 07:00:15 <KotCzarny> and diablo+2 fremantle
May 22 07:00:25 <rm_you> wait, what?
May 22 07:00:30 <rm_you> elephant and fremantle?
May 22 07:00:30 <Navi> We all know everyone at Nokia is evil
May 22 07:00:38 <Navi> there's no need to dance around it
May 22 07:00:55 * GeneralAntilles slaps rm_you with a clue.
May 22 07:01:00 <rm_you> <_<
May 22 07:01:05 <rm_you> i've been... busy? :P
May 22 07:01:13 <rm_you> though I did work a lot on a2dp stuff today
May 22 07:01:19 <rm_you> ... and manage to make mplayer work WORSE
May 22 07:01:19 <rm_you> damnit
May 22 07:01:29 <KotCzarny> now that's an achievement
May 22 07:01:30 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 07:01:41 <KotCzarny> though usually it's enough to use -vo x11
May 22 07:01:51 <rm_you> lol
May 22 07:01:52 <GeneralAntilles> Marketing wise it's "OS2008 Service Update" or something.
May 22 07:01:58 <czr> he used the ascii output with gtk-term
May 22 07:02:13 <KotCzarny> ascii output could be fast
May 22 07:02:14 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 07:02:22 <czr> KotCzarny, not with a buggy and slow term :-)
May 22 07:02:27 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 07:02:38 <KotCzarny> fullscreen and with a 4px font?
May 22 07:02:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 07:02:40 <rm_you> OH
May 22 07:02:47 <czr> KotCzarny, obviously :-)
May 22 07:02:48 <rm_you> maybe it's maemo-hackers xterm that made it do that
May 22 07:02:57 <KotCzarny> ascii-quake ftw!
May 22 07:03:02 <rm_you> it used to work fine when i played videos in mplayer from xterm...
May 22 07:03:03 <KotCzarny> (over telnet)
May 22 07:03:03 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 07:03:15 <rm_you> now it is laggy as shit from xterm, but works from the GUI
May 22 07:03:27 <rm_you> only thing i can think of that changed is that i installed maemo-hackers xterm
May 22 07:03:36 * czr prefers laggy shit to too quick shit
May 22 07:03:44 <czr> but hey, that's just me..
May 22 07:03:54 <rm_you> lol
May 22 07:04:00 <KotCzarny> hrm
May 22 07:04:05 <KotCzarny> depends on consistency
May 22 07:04:05 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 07:04:16 <czr> KotCzarny, that too.
May 22 07:04:33 <czr> but maybe it's time I went to town to get some stuff for the trip (like currency)
May 22 07:04:48 * rm_you is still jealous of people going to linuxtag
May 22 07:06:04 <czr> hmm. I'm not going there. unless this year they have it in Tokyo
May 22 07:06:14 <czr> that'd be surprising.
May 22 07:06:36 <rm_you> lol
May 22 07:06:41 <rm_you> ah, you're heading over that way, eh?
May 22 07:06:55 <GeneralAntilles> I'm ready for pupnik to dump us hot HD feeds with his new camera. :P
May 22 07:06:58 <rm_you> special occasion? :P
May 22 07:07:09 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: lol
May 22 07:07:25 <GeneralAntilles> Need to set up a live stream.
May 22 07:07:41 <rm_you> that would rock so hard :P
May 22 07:07:44 <czr> rm_you, yes. holiholiholiday
May 22 07:08:02 <czr> GeneralAntilles, linuxtag has harley davidson as sponsor this year?
May 22 07:08:04 <rm_you> czr: cool. I had a holiday in Yokohama last august :P
May 22 07:08:08 <GeneralAntilles> Might be workable with ustream or something if the facilities have enough bandwidth.
May 22 07:08:16 <rm_you> Japan is fun. go there much?
May 22 07:08:27 <czr> rm_you, I've never been to .jp. meant to for ages, mut never really materialized
May 22 07:08:33 <GeneralAntilles> high def, czr
May 22 07:08:38 <czr> GeneralAntilles, :-)
May 22 07:08:42 <GeneralAntilles> Joke fail. :P
May 22 07:08:44 <czr> anyhow, lateroo ->
May 22 07:08:45 <rm_you> czr: the bakeries are AMAZING! go to the bakeries!
May 22 07:08:47 <GeneralAntilles> Bye
May 22 07:08:48 <czr> GeneralAntilles, indeed :-)
May 22 07:09:00 <czr> I will rm_you
May 22 07:09:02 <rm_you> czr: also, check out Yodobashi Camera :P
May 22 07:09:16 <czr> and then will found out that they suck :-)
May 22 07:09:17 <rm_you> not that you'd want to buy much there, as it's mostly ridiculously overpriced
May 22 07:09:18 <rm_you> but still
May 22 07:09:22 <rm_you> pfft
May 22 07:09:29 <rm_you> Japanese bakeries are amazing
May 22 07:09:32 <mysc> mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /opt failed  <-- any ideas?
May 22 07:09:34 <czr> yeah, I'm just going to hang around and see what life provides me with..
May 22 07:09:36 <czr> ->
May 22 07:09:36 <mysc> ima trying to clone my os
May 22 07:09:37 <rm_you> though I only have US bakeries to compare to
May 22 07:09:45 <czr> us bakeries on average suck :-)
May 22 07:09:54 <rm_you> yeah :(
May 22 07:10:11 <rm_you> and go to Akihabara a lot :P
May 22 07:10:32 <rm_you> there's an alleyway right outside the main station in Akihabara that is basically just electronic component vendors
May 22 07:10:35 <rm_you> it's pretty awesome
May 22 07:11:15 * rm_you wants to go back to Japan
May 22 07:12:48 <rm_you> also, don't wait around... buy a Suica or PASMO train pass as soon as you get there... there really isn't a reason not to >_> can use it to pay on pretty much any train or bus, and it makes things much easier, as you don't have to count out money, you just swipe the RFID card
May 22 07:13:08 <rm_you> also, many convenience stores accept it too :P
May 22 07:13:47 <KotCzarny> mysc: check dmesg
May 22 07:14:17 <mysc> KC, yes, i needed to load a kernel module for ext2/3 reading :|
May 22 07:14:22 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 07:14:40 <mysc> steep learning curve, but fun :)
May 22 07:14:55 <KotCzarny> well
May 22 07:14:59 <KotCzarny> it's just linux
May 22 07:15:18 <mysc> yeah, that part is ok, the part which i am figuring out are the device names and stuff...
May 22 07:15:32 <EruditeHermit> hey GeneralAntilles are you around?
May 22 07:15:38 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm?
May 22 07:15:50 <EruditeHermit> do you have an n800 with diablo running on it?
May 22 07:15:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yessir
May 22 07:16:00 <EruditeHermit> does your camera flip work?
May 22 07:16:09 <GeneralAntilles> Good question
May 22 07:16:17 <EruditeHermit> does opening camera start internet talk application?
May 22 07:16:42 <GeneralAntilles> Yes and yes
May 22 07:16:49 <EruditeHermit> uh oh
May 22 07:16:55 <EruditeHermit> mine doesn't work
May 22 07:17:02 <EruditeHermit> is there an application that handles this?
May 22 07:17:09 <EruditeHermit> or did I break my camera?
May 22 07:17:17 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno
May 22 07:17:27 <GeneralAntilles> It still gives you an image, right?
May 22 07:17:32 <EruditeHermit> yes
May 22 07:17:34 <GeneralAntilles> You can turn off the pop-up activation
May 22 07:17:40 <EruditeHermit> yes but I want it on
May 22 07:17:43 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno about flip, though.
May 22 07:17:47 <EruditeHermit> and it is set to on in preferences
May 22 07:17:56 <EruditeHermit> both used to work
May 22 07:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> Reboot?
May 22 07:19:27 <EruditeHermit> hmm
May 22 07:20:46 <yvan> [trying smthg]
May 22 07:21:36 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: that didn't do it
May 22 07:21:42 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
May 22 07:21:49 <GeneralAntilles> It seems unlikely that its a hardware issue
May 22 07:21:51 <GeneralAntilles> but I dunno
May 22 07:22:04 <EruditeHermit> I dropped it a few days ago
May 22 07:22:12 <EruditeHermit> and the camera popped out
May 22 07:22:18 <EruditeHermit> but I did that once before
May 22 07:22:20 <EruditeHermit> and it still worked
May 22 07:22:33 <EruditeHermit> I wonder if I broke something
May 22 07:23:09 <yvan> hello - I didnt use IRC for ages, so Im not sure what's the etiquette. I'd like to know if I can run a script on my N810 by clicking a link on a local html page?
May 22 07:24:04 <beford> probably no, unless microb supports mozilla's chrome stuff
May 22 07:24:28 <yvan> chrome stuff.. never heard about that
May 22 07:25:10 <GeneralAntilles> yvan, the etiquette is: DATA (Don't Ask To Ask). ;)
May 22 07:26:26 <yvan> ok ^^
May 22 07:27:24 <beford> javascript running as chrome is like running with some privileges
May 22 07:27:42 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: so you don't think there is any hardware that could have broken?
May 22 07:27:55 <GeneralAntilles> It _could_ have, but I haven't heard of it happening.
May 22 07:28:09 <GeneralAntilles> Got another install on a card or something you could boot into and test?
May 22 07:28:16 <yvan> yeah im sorry, I meant run a linux script.. launch an application for example
May 22 07:31:02 <mysc> thanks to you folks i have os08 on my sd, have debian "working" on the other partition. :)
May 22 07:31:17 <GeneralAntilles> That'll be $19.95
May 22 07:31:27 <Navi> woo
May 22 07:31:51 <mysc> heh
May 22 07:31:58 <GeneralAntilles> Thank you! Come again.
May 22 07:32:56 <Navi> total ripoff
May 22 07:37:00 <anidel> morning!
May 22 07:37:36 <GeneralAntilles> Something like that.
May 22 07:38:14 <hrw> morning
May 22 07:38:23 <hrw> I am evil
May 22 07:38:30 <GeneralAntilles> We know. ;)
May 22 07:38:35 <hrw> at least according to Polish users of nokia tablets
May 22 07:39:15 <anidel> what happened ?
May 22 07:39:34 <hrw> forum post: how to boot from sd card. my answer: read maemo wiki. his answer: you are bad and ugly because you send me to wiki instead of writing answer
May 22 07:39:38 <hrw> idiots
May 22 07:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 22 07:40:02 <GeneralAntilles> hrw, now you know how itT works for me. ;)
May 22 07:40:13 <anidel> :) he's right.. :p
May 22 07:41:02 <trickie_> why have people not heard of search engines, they are fairly easy to use :)
May 22 07:41:24 <GeneralAntilles> People are stupid
May 22 07:41:26 <GeneralAntilles> and lazy
May 22 07:41:29 <anidel> probably they don't even know what to search for in the first place
May 22 07:42:21 <anidel> if People are stupid and I belong to 'People', does it mean I am stupid too ? :-p
May 22 07:42:38 <GeneralAntilles> Do you know how to search?
May 22 07:42:52 <trickie_> well if the forum post title is 'how to boot from sd card' then type that in google - see first result
May 22 07:43:03 <anidel> GA: I do :)
May 22 07:43:10 <GeneralAntilles> Then no. ;)
May 22 07:43:11 <trickie_> well if you add a 'maemo how to boot from sd card'
May 22 07:43:17 <anidel> GA: oh ok :P
May 22 07:44:22 <anidel> trickie: yes of course it would work like that.. but I've encountered many people that don't really know what are they looking for, or what is the problem, so they can't write down the problem in words...it's a general huge impossible to solve problem with stupid people
May 22 07:44:43 <anidel> guys going for a good coffee.. I'll be back soon (if you ever mind)
May 22 07:45:39 <hrw> ;)
May 22 07:45:44 <hrw> brb
May 22 08:09:22 <anidel> back
May 22 08:11:38 <mysc> hrmmm, the vncviewer won't bring up the small kb since it channels mouse clocks to the remote...
May 22 08:12:27 <mysc> ima unfamiliar with debian's boot process, is there an equivalent to an rc.local where i can put startup commands like iptable rulesets?
May 22 08:17:42 <kaatis> i think there is rc.local , it's just empty by default
May 22 08:18:43 <trickie_> anidel: i understand, but if a newb is going to attemtp something like 'boot from sdcard', which is not a normal 'consumer action' then they need to be prepared to do some research and not expect people to waste their time explaining something that is explained elsewhere several times
May 22 08:18:54 <mysc> kaatis, i don't see it.
May 22 08:19:26 <trickie_> anidel: and also to be respectful to people who put in effort for the the things they use
May 22 08:19:59 <GeneralAntilles> A lot of these people seem to come from the commercial world.
May 22 08:20:04 <GeneralAntilles> and expect some sort of vendor support
May 22 08:20:24 <mysc> does anyone know where i can plop a bash script that'll get executed on startup?
May 22 08:21:00 <RST38h> GA: It just means that Nokia better create some forum under Maemo.org where certain community members can handle commercial support requests for money
May 22 08:21:27 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 22 08:21:30 <GeneralAntilles> That'd be interesting.
May 22 08:21:39 <anidel> trickie: sure! I was just kiddingly generalizing about people stupid and lazy enough to not know how to search.. I was not defending them
May 22 08:21:41 <X-Fade> RST38h: We are planning jobs.maemo.org too ;)
May 22 08:21:41 <RST38h> GA: And keep a clear list of topics that are supported by outside people
May 22 08:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> Funnier would be if they'd train their call centers to tell people how to "boot from SD" :P
May 22 08:21:51 <Stskeeps> maemo bounties? :P
May 22 08:21:55 <X-Fade> At least there has been talk about that..
May 22 08:21:58 <trickie_> :)
May 22 08:22:04 <RST38h> X-Fade: Yea, but jobs.* implies a prolonged relation
May 22 08:22:21 <anidel> GA :D
May 22 08:22:24 <RST38h> GA: "Not officially supported by Nokia. Hang up."
May 22 08:22:24 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, that depends on what the job is ;)
May 22 08:22:36 <X-Fade> "1 day introduction class" :)
May 22 08:22:37 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft, not even that RST38h.
May 22 08:22:42 <GeneralAntilles> More like "wuuuuut?"
May 22 08:23:04 <RST38h> X-Fade: btw, even after pasting id_rsa.pub into that garage form, the dput still doesn't work =(
May 22 08:23:17 <GeneralAntilles> Extras hates RST38h.
May 22 08:23:23 <RST38h> And I tried it with and without EOLNs
May 22 08:23:52 <X-Fade> RST38h: We are debugging it now. It seems your key is multilined.. Has \n in it because you have pasted a terminal sizes paste..
May 22 08:23:57 <RST38h> GA: no, it is just that current web interface for maintaining profiles is someshat braindamaged =(
May 22 08:24:11 <RST38h> X-Fade: I tried it with manually removed \ns
May 22 08:24:43 <RST38h> Also, it is absolutely expected that the string will contain \n - just strip everythhing <' '
May 22 08:25:50 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yeah, that is what we do on the invitation page, but we probably forgot that index2 page :)
May 22 08:26:10 <X-Fade> RST38h: I will ping you when that page is updated.
May 22 08:26:39 <anidel> wuut I still need to update my key ...
May 22 08:27:32 <mysc> that debian openssl foulup really caused some havok
May 22 08:27:39 <anidel> yeah
May 22 08:27:59 <X-Fade> anidel: Well, you don't have to update it for us. But your own systems can be in danger ;)
May 22 08:28:01 <anidel> I couldn't believe they made that patch
May 22 08:28:09 <GeneralAntilles> Has somebody been lynched for it yet?
May 22 08:28:27 <Navi> Debian devs patch all sorts of crap
May 22 08:28:31 <mysc> the two lines are very similar, only one should have removed
May 22 08:28:33 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: The guy who did it, discussed it on the openssl lists..
May 22 08:28:35 <anidel> X-Fade I use it only for Maemo Extras..  I use regular passwords (too lazy to set up them all)
May 22 08:28:53 <X-Fade> anidel: Well good for you, in this case :)
May 22 08:29:41 <mysc> the problem is that with diffie-helman and other key exhanges, the whole thing is fubar with a bad RNG
May 22 08:29:45 <anidel> X-Fade: yup.. they funny thing is that after I've created the key for Maemo, I went on and created one for a machine in the lab I use often.. wanted to do that to skip entering the password... the funny part is that I generated it with a passphrase!!!
May 22 08:30:07 <anidel> :D and they even more funny thing is that .. the passphrase is.. guess it.. the same as the old password :/
May 22 08:30:11 <X-Fade> anidel: Doesn't matter for this bug.
May 22 08:30:12 <mysc> so even if you don't use key auth, say, the communications link is sniffable because the encryption key was decipherable from the point of the exchange
May 22 08:30:22 <anidel> X-Fade I know..
May 22 08:31:00 <mysc> so, pretty much, if you used ssh on a debian system in the last few years or ssh'd to a debian box, the NSA knows what you did :)
May 22 08:31:01 <anidel> mysc: with a bad RNG everything crypto related is fubar...
May 22 08:31:18 <anidel> well...
May 22 08:31:47 <RST38h> X-Fade: thanks =)
May 22 08:32:14 * RST38h urgently needs to update ines to 3.6.1 in Extras (and probably other emulators as well, as the synchro has now been fixed)
May 22 08:32:19 <anidel> anyway, back to some interesting stuff.. would you guys be happy to have and use a MailReader plugin for Canola2 ?
May 22 08:32:38 <anidel> RST38h; i did upgrade iNES 10 mins ago.. way faster now :)
May 22 08:32:53 <RST38h> anidel: yes, but this had to be done from the local copy
May 22 08:32:59 <RST38h> at my web site
May 22 08:33:14 <anidel> RST38h: of course.. MailReader... Modest downloads, Canola2 shows
May 22 08:33:23 <anidel> uhm
May 22 08:33:25 <RST38h> it should be faster - now skipping 65% frames and doing usleep()
May 22 08:33:45 <anidel> rst38h oh so he explained the fix ?
May 22 08:34:00 <RST38h> I would really prefer if Canola2 did ALL the mail exchange
May 22 08:34:10 <RST38h> anidel: Who "he"?
May 22 08:34:25 <anidel> rst38h: iNes author.. cant remember the name
May 22 08:35:07 <anidel> rst38h: having canola2 handle everything would be too much (at least for me).. it'd be easier to have it scan the modest folders and just show the mails its own cool way
May 22 08:36:16 <Navi> RST38h, that's a lot of frame skipping O_o
May 22 08:37:42 <kpanic> hi, I'm trying to cross-compile a program by ./configuring it with ./configure --host=i386-pc-linux-gnu --build=qemu-arm-cvs and by exporting SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 but when I do make I obtain in the process of building this message: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory
May 22 08:37:52 <kpanic> I'm a little stuck
May 22 08:48:32 <anidel> talk to you later guys...
May 22 08:54:29 <AStorm> hello
May 22 08:56:05 <AStorm> where is the HAL mount scriptß
May 22 08:56:07 <AStorm> ?
May 22 08:56:14 <KotCzarny> mmc-mount ?
May 22 09:02:40 <disq> i think i want to restart work on kagu-gtk.
May 22 09:04:19 <AStorm> KotCzarny: ok
May 22 09:04:27 <AStorm> where is swap mounted?
May 22 09:04:48 <RST38h> anidel: ines author is me.
May 22 09:04:50 <disq> still don't like canola, it's fast and responsive but not i want in terms of functionality and development speed
May 22 09:04:53 <mysc> hah, i just apt-upgraded the bootable debian rootfs, ima wondering what'll happen when i boot it :)
May 22 09:05:27 <RST38h> Navi: 65% is just fine. You want notice anything, especially considering that N8x0 has a hardware limit of ~24fps on screen updates (or so I heard)
May 22 09:05:34 <disq> or, development priorities rather
May 22 09:05:57 <KotCzarny> astorm: probably /media/mmc2/.swapfile ?
May 22 09:05:59 <KotCzarny> or something
May 22 09:06:01 <AStorm> KotCzarny: not location, the script
May 22 09:06:19 <AStorm> need to mod it  to use /
May 22 09:06:22 <RST38h> s/want/won't/
May 22 09:06:23 <infobot> RST38h meant: Navi: 65% is just fine. You won't notice anything, especially considering that N8x0 has a hardware limit of ~24fps on screen updates (or so I heard)
May 22 09:06:28 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 09:06:43 <KotCzarny> grep swapon /usr/sbin/*
May 22 09:06:44 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 09:06:52 <KotCzarny> should find a script ;)
May 22 09:07:33 <AStorm> nope
May 22 09:07:46 <mysc> Astorm, what OS are you in?
May 22 09:07:46 <KotCzarny> do the same for bin and / too
May 22 09:08:45 <AStorm> it finds that in all bb tools...
May 22 09:09:10 <KotCzarny> because they all link to busybox
May 22 09:09:16 <KotCzarny> which has swapon applet
May 22 09:09:24 <KotCzarny> just look for scripts
May 22 09:09:27 <AStorm> and still no script
May 22 09:10:21 <KotCzarny> interestingly, using sbox over nfs on faster machine is faster than local
May 22 09:10:27 <KotCzarny> magnia, local, 566mhz: 142s
May 22 09:10:30 <KotCzarny> xx32, nfs,  600mhz: 136s
May 22 09:10:35 <KotCzarny> x32, nfs, 1800mhz: 86s
May 22 09:10:37 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 09:11:02 <AStorm> hmm, where is that script
May 22 09:11:02 <KotCzarny> that's assuming 100mbit eth
May 22 09:13:17 <trickie_> AStorm: checkout ke-recv
May 22 09:13:22 <trickie_> they just released the source
May 22 09:13:29 <trickie_> that does swap creation/activation
May 22 09:13:31 <AStorm> trickie_: it's an executable
May 22 09:13:35 <AStorm> hmmmmm...
May 22 09:13:45 <AStorm> they're mad, right?
May 22 09:13:45 <trickie_> the source is now open
May 22 09:13:55 <AStorm> they even can't do swap correctly?
May 22 09:14:03 <AStorm> ~lart Nokia
May 22 09:14:04 * infobot does a little 'renice 20 -u Nokia'
May 22 09:15:33 <X-Fade> RST38h: Can you please try to upload your key again? It should work now :)
May 22 09:16:55 <AStorm> ok, it uses some variables :P
May 22 09:17:00 <AStorm> time to reboot
May 22 09:19:06 <X-Fade> jpetersen: Congratulations on the new job. Or am I having the wrong one ;)
May 22 09:19:44 <Mikho> Hello. I
May 22 09:20:17 <jpetersen> X-Fade: thanks :-)
May 22 09:20:41 <Mikho> 'm trying to create a deb package of the program created by esbox new project wizard, and
May 22 09:20:46 <RST38h> X-Fade: I am away from home - will only be able to do it in ~8 hours =(
May 22 09:20:49 <X-Fade> jpetersen: Are you going to blog about maemo more? And shall I add you to the planet? :)
May 22 09:21:04 <Mikho> make deb fails with the error: found eof where expected first heading at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 156
May 22 09:21:15 <X-Fade> RST38h: Do you want me to upload your packages for you?
May 22 09:21:26 <Mikho> "dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is"
May 22 09:21:30 <Mikho> what is this?
May 22 09:21:46 <RST38h> X-Fade: I have got a .deb but not the .changes file
May 22 09:21:59 <X-Fade> RST38h: Hmm ok.
May 22 09:22:01 <RST38h> No big deal though, it waited for a few days, it will wait for another 8 hours
May 22 09:22:29 <X-Fade> RST38h: Let me know if you run into problems.
May 22 09:22:42 <RST38h> Thanks! =)
May 22 09:25:23 <dneary> hello
May 22 09:25:26 <inz> Mikho, sounds like your debian/changelog is empty
May 22 09:25:37 <Mikho> indeed it is
May 22 09:25:46 <AStorm> heh, this mmc change bug is simple
May 22 09:26:06 <Mikho> ah, that explains it. Thanks :)
May 22 09:26:13 <AStorm> has to be properly worked around
May 22 09:26:27 <AStorm> or it makes mounting external mmc impossible
May 22 09:26:30 <Mikho> I guess the changelog is needed for the program to figure out the build version number
May 22 09:26:38 <AStorm> as nodes in /dev are correct
May 22 09:27:03 <AStorm> the initfs has to recreate them, or move them around
May 22 09:27:16 <AStorm> not just change mount point
May 22 09:28:03 <inz> Mikho, and source package name
May 22 09:28:28 <inz> Mikho, erm, actually the source package name comes from control, dunno what it'll do if they don't match
May 22 09:29:30 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, OK, I want mediawiki now. What do I need to do to help make that happen faster? :D
May 22 09:29:39 <Mikho> all right, got forward to the next problem
May 22 09:30:00 <hrw> hi dneary
May 22 09:30:07 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: We need a front page worthy of the name
May 22 09:30:09 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I think that is music to dneary's ears. ;)
May 22 09:30:11 <dneary> hi hrw
May 22 09:30:28 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Do you want to propose a front page structure for the new mediawiki?
May 22 09:30:32 <GeneralAntilles> Front page for the mediawiki? OK, I already started on that.
May 22 09:30:34 <dneary> X-Fade: Indeed :)
May 22 09:30:44 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: From the front page, we can copy content over
May 22 09:30:49 <dneary> I think that simple is best
May 22 09:31:21 <dneary> Categories only on the front page, with some description of what's behind, I don't want any more than about 10 links and 100 words on there
May 22 09:31:26 <dneary> Maybe 200
May 22 09:31:43 <GeneralAntilles> I like the basic idea of the SlackWare wiki
May 22 09:32:01 <GeneralAntilles> ^front page
May 22 09:32:13 <dneary> Some categories that come to mind: "Hints & tips", "Development", "Community"
May 22 09:32:49 <hrw> dneary: what means community?
May 22 09:33:07 <dneary> And one small link somewhere in the wiki to the "Attic", which will hold all of the old material which has been gathering dust, and which some enthusiastic young whippersnapper might one day take the time to clean up
May 22 09:33:08 <GeneralAntilles> Also, namespaces, are we following this page? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Beta/Introduction
May 22 09:33:15 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not in love with the whole Section/Article thing.
May 22 09:33:30 <GeneralAntilles> Seems like that'd be something that would be better accomplished with Categories.
May 22 09:33:36 <jitu3485> can anyone help me knowing how maps are beingdisplayed in maemo-mapper
May 22 09:33:54 <jitu3485> and also how panning , zooming is done
May 22 09:33:55 <dneary> hrw: I was thinking that all content related to community processes, all the "meta" informat-ion which is about maemo and maemo's relationship to Nokia, rather than about the software, would go there
May 22 09:33:57 <hrw> GeneralAntilles: that was just idea from OZ wiki
May 22 09:34:06 <dneary> That, and marketing material, stuff like that
May 22 09:34:11 <hrw> ok
May 22 09:34:40 <dneary> http://live.gnome.org/ is a nice example too, I think
May 22 09:35:45 <Mikho> looks like the esbox wizard is not updated to the latest library names
May 22 09:35:59 <Mikho> when was hildon-widgets combined/changed into hildon-1?
May 22 09:36:45 <X-Fade> Mikho: I think that was for chinook.
May 22 09:38:09 <Mikho> I hope there was a good reason for that
May 22 09:39:55 <Mikho> is hildon-lib-dev the same as libhildon1-dev?
May 22 09:40:23 <X-Fade> Check the port to chinook documentation.
May 22 09:41:50 <Mikho> oh, there was a porting guide? thanks for the tip
May 22 09:45:43 <Mikho> gahh, the tutorial in maemo site just talks about some monkey game
May 22 09:46:13 <kulve> there's several tutorials
May 22 09:46:19 <X-Fade> Mikho: Here is a bit more info: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/api_changes_between_maemo_3_2_and_maemo_4_0.html
May 22 09:46:24 <kulve> bora to chinook and gtk to hildon, etc
May 22 09:47:42 <Mikho> X-Fade, thanks. That link contains relevant info
May 22 09:52:03 <Cptnodegard> yei one exam down!
May 22 09:52:19 <Cptnodegard> now to format that partition of the brain
May 22 09:52:27 <Cptnodegard> its slowing down the whole system
May 22 09:52:53 <AStorm> Cptnodegard: don't format the wrong one
May 22 09:53:00 <Mikho> yay, successfully created a deb out of the hellow world program
May 22 09:53:41 <Cptnodegard> i got so much useless crap in my head right now i feel like vista :/
May 22 09:54:00 <AStorm> what kind of?
May 22 09:54:22 <Cptnodegard> what kind of crap? what kind of vista?
May 22 09:54:32 <red-zack> "ultimate"
May 22 09:54:34 <red-zack> xD
May 22 09:54:40 <Cptnodegard> ultimate crap
May 22 09:54:42 <AStorm> Cptnodegard: of crap :P
May 22 09:54:56 <Cptnodegard> organizational theory
May 22 09:55:14 <AStorm> indeed, worthless
May 22 09:55:42 <Cptnodegard> imagine a beginners guide to PHP where instead of explaining how to use the strings, they write bio's on who first used them :p
May 22 09:56:02 <Cptnodegard> if they cut the crap the book would be 1/10 the size
May 22 09:58:32 <RST38h> "Geeks like this stuff"
May 22 09:58:38 <solmumaha> i could summarize it to one word: "don't"
May 22 09:59:12 <RST38h> solmu: That is a summary of a chemical lab intro for freshmen
May 22 09:59:18 <Cptnodegard> worst thing was my diappointment when i couldnt find the ctrl + c/v buttons when i was to hand in the shit... write the same numbers, date and descriptions on 8 papers
May 22 10:16:20 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, can I upload the maemo logo to the mediawiki?
May 22 10:16:37 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Let me have a look first...
May 22 10:16:43 <dneary> It is already there, isn't it?
May 22 10:16:53 <GeneralAntilles> What's the filename?
May 22 10:17:45 <dneary> It's up there in the corner of the front page. https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page
May 22 10:20:48 <GeneralAntilles> maemo-logo-1.png
May 22 10:20:52 <GeneralAntilles> But I can't get there from here. . . .
May 22 10:25:27 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Thanks for your input. I like your first idea for the front page
May 22 10:25:50 <dneary> The 3 frames is good
May 22 10:26:02 <X-Fade> I think the howto list will become to long?
May 22 10:26:41 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody needs to write a preamble/intro fro the front page.
May 22 10:26:53 <dneary> Yeah
May 22 10:26:56 <dneary> That'll be me
May 22 10:26:59 <dneary> It needs to be short
May 22 10:27:09 <dneary> In fact, you might argue that it isn't necessary
May 22 10:27:27 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe, but I like the layout more with one. :P
May 22 10:27:41 <dneary> If someone has arrived at wiki.maemo.org, there are a few things they know already: it's a maemo related site, it's a wiki
May 22 10:28:21 <Saviq> Not everyone reads the url ;)
May 22 10:29:00 <Saviq> And not everyone needs to know what's maemo, nor what's a wiki
May 22 10:29:58 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Another wiki for you - similar layout to yours. http://www.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
May 22 10:30:13 <GeneralAntilles> Busy busy busy
May 22 10:30:49 <GeneralAntilles> I think having a separate Category page from the front page like this is good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Contents/Categorical_index
May 22 10:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> But the actual front page needs to be only the major stuff.
May 22 10:31:10 <GeneralAntilles> 1-1.5 screens or so.
May 22 10:33:22 <zap> Anybody can explain why HildonProgram/Window classes are needed at all? Why not use standard window manager concepts?
May 22 10:33:44 <GeneralAntilles> There's a bug, I believe. . . .
May 22 10:33:51 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure if it contains a rationale.
May 22 10:34:23 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 22 10:34:32 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Jaffa.
May 22 10:34:56 <Jaffa> zap: The argument is that Nokia didn't want to maintain a Gtk fork, so instead everyone else has to fork their code. Makes perfect sense to me as a software architect, oh yes.
May 22 10:35:34 <zap> :)))
May 22 10:36:00 <zap> well, the main question is - what if I don't use Hildon API at all, my program simply won't show?
May 22 10:36:12 <zap> or it just won't use the funny widgets like titlebar menu etc
May 22 10:36:18 <KotCzarny> latter
May 22 10:36:25 <zap> aha, thats cool then
May 22 10:37:02 <zap> then the Hildon API makes sense as an additional API that gives access to PDA-specific things
May 22 10:39:34 <KotCzarny> i would be more happy if they simply used backward compatible approach
May 22 10:39:45 <KotCzarny> matchbox ignoring normal windows as an example
May 22 10:49:30 <Mikho> would somebody know how to permanently solve the vdso enabled thing?
May 22 10:49:51 <KotCzarny> add a line to /etc/rc
May 22 10:54:48 <zap> KotCzarny: but maemo contains some specific things like titlebar menus, bottom toolbars, the fullscreen button etc
May 22 10:55:23 <KotCzarny> zap: yeah, like it wouldn't be possible to do it in regular wm/x.org
May 22 10:55:41 <zap> that would require a fork anyway, or at least a bunch of #ifdefs
May 22 10:55:44 <KotCzarny> nope
May 22 10:55:46 <zap> just like it is now
May 22 10:55:51 <zap> ?
May 22 10:56:03 <KotCzarny> i'm using a fluxbox wm
May 22 10:56:08 <zap> so what?
May 22 10:56:14 <zap> I'm talking about the maemo wm
May 22 10:56:20 <KotCzarny> so i can assign f6 to fullscreen
May 22 10:56:21 <KotCzarny> etc
May 22 10:56:27 <KotCzarny> and don't need hildon for that
May 22 10:56:30 <GeneralAntilles> dneary, updated a bit, I'm gonna push it to the front page, OK?
May 22 10:56:31 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/User:Generalantilles
May 22 10:56:32 <zap> normal WMs are not very useable on small-screen devices
May 22 10:57:04 <GeneralAntilles> Matchbox, zap.
May 22 10:57:06 <KotCzarny> zap, the thing i have against hildon is it ignores regular windows
May 22 10:57:20 <zap> top-level windows?
May 22 10:57:24 <zap> or what is 'regular'?
May 22 10:57:31 <dneary> GeneralAntilles: Your categories probably won't be definitive
May 22 10:57:34 <KotCzarny> not-hildonized
May 22 10:57:38 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, definitely
May 22 10:57:51 <zap> GeneralAntilles: matchbox is not exactly a 'normal WM'
May 22 10:57:55 <GeneralAntilles> They're completely terrible at the moment. ;)
May 22 10:57:57 <dneary> OK, roll it out, let's see what happens
May 22 10:57:59 <GeneralAntilles> Matchbox is the maemo wm
May 22 10:58:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just not feeling very inspired category-wise this morning. ;)
May 22 10:58:17 <zap> KotCzarny: I never have seen apps with 'regular' windows, how it looks like?\
May 22 10:58:21 <dneary> I actually prefer to have categories be completely invisible
May 22 10:58:28 <zap> GeneralAntilles: matchbox??????
May 22 10:58:28 <KotCzarny> zap: gimp for example
May 22 10:58:30 <KotCzarny> *grin*
May 22 10:58:38 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matchbox_%28window_manager%29
May 22 10:58:43 <dneary> They're there, pages are categorised with them, but they're not part of the normal site navigation
May 22 10:58:48 <dneary> If you see what I mean
May 22 10:58:52 <zap> GeneralAntilles: I used matchbox on Zaurus, it had a totally different look :)
May 22 10:58:58 <kulve> matchbox is a set of tools, including mb-window-manager, mb-desktop, mb-panel, etc
May 22 10:59:06 <zap> that's why I'm surprised
May 22 10:59:16 <kulve> matchbox components can be themed quite much
May 22 10:59:19 <zap> and which of them are used in maemo?
May 22 10:59:27 <kulve> window manager only
May 22 10:59:29 <zap> aha
May 22 10:59:37 <zap> so no matchbox desktop and panel
May 22 10:59:40 <zap> that would explain it :)
May 22 10:59:49 <kulve> I'm not sure if they have modified the window manager a bit
May 22 11:00:12 <zap> KotCzarny: and how gimp looks in maemo?
May 22 11:00:19 <kulve> no mb-desktop, maemo has nowadays hildon-desktop, which has nothing to do with matchbox-destkop
May 22 11:00:25 <zap> KotCzarny: or it just doesn't work without modifications?
May 22 11:00:48 <KotCzarny> main issue is no icon in task navigator
May 22 11:01:28 <zap> that's because there's no HildonProgram object?
May 22 11:01:36 <KotCzarny> something like that
May 22 11:02:14 <zap> indeed, it would be better to just pick up all top-level windows
May 22 11:02:23 <Cptnodegard> hmm...is there anyway to make gstreet on maemo mapper appear less pixelated?
May 22 11:02:32 <GeneralAntilles> Turn off pixel doubling.
May 22 11:02:42 * zap wonders where Maemo will go now, after Nokia acquired Trolltech
May 22 11:02:43 <Cptnodegard> where?
May 22 11:03:05 <GeneralAntilles> zap, there have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject.
May 22 11:03:28 <GeneralAntilles> maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the end of this year/beginning of 2009
May 22 11:03:28 <Cptnodegard> found it, thanks
May 22 11:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> Sure. ;)
May 22 11:03:59 <Cptnodegard> mameo mapper quadrupled its usefullness in one option
May 22 11:04:16 <GeneralAntilles> zap, there's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt
May 22 11:04:40 <hrw> ~maemo-qt
May 22 11:05:44 <hrw> infobot: maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt
May 22 11:05:45 <infobot> hrw: okay
May 22 11:05:50 <hrw> ~maemo-qt
May 22 11:05:50 <infobot> methinks maemo-qt is There have been plenty of official and semi-official announcements on the subject. Maemo isn't going anywhere anytime soon and Qt libs will be bundled sometime around the 2008/2009. There's a lot of good sources here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Qt
May 22 11:05:59 <hugolp> is it normal that for the same code the ARMEL executable is 2.5 times bigger than the x86 executable?
May 22 11:06:14 <KotCzarny> yes, strip it
May 22 11:07:33 <hugolp> KotCzarny:  that yes was for my question?
May 22 11:07:38 <KotCzarny> yes
May 22 11:08:17 <hugolp> so its an ARMEL feature that the executable are way bigger, ok thanks
May 22 11:08:34 <KotCzarny> no, but i would assume your default flags include -g
May 22 11:08:35 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:09:40 <hugolp> KotCzarny:  the flags are the same for the ARMEL than for x86
May 22 11:09:53 <KotCzarny> then it's strange
May 22 11:10:04 <KotCzarny> does stripping make it smaller?
May 22 11:10:24 <hugolp> KotCzarny:  when I say x86 I mean x86 for normal pc, not x86 for simulating hildon
May 22 11:10:49 <hugolp> I ported a gtk program to hildon and beside a few lines, the programs are exact
May 22 11:10:52 <KotCzarny> hugolp, does stripping armel binary you have compiled made it smaller?
May 22 11:11:03 <hugolp> the gtk version is 2.5 times smaller than the hildon one
May 22 11:11:25 <KotCzarny> hugolp: try strip your_binary
May 22 11:11:34 <KotCzarny> that's actual command
May 22 11:11:35 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:11:36 <zap> usually arm executables are a little big larger, but not much
May 22 11:12:18 <hugolp> ok, going to try
May 22 11:13:27 <zap> Does Hildon framework work under 'normal' WMs, e.g. GNOME?
May 22 11:13:49 <KotCzarny> zap: hildon was ported for ubuntu afair
May 22 11:14:40 <zap> that could be, but does it run only in matchbox-wm?
May 22 11:14:49 <hugolp> what a change, now its only a bit bigger
May 22 11:14:52 <hugolp> thanks
May 22 11:15:18 <KotCzarny> hugolp: see if you enable debug somewhere
May 22 11:16:01 <zap> it's not neccessarily -g
May 22 11:16:05 <jldiaz> hi
May 22 11:16:08 <zap> if you just don't use -s, it'll be larger anyway
May 22 11:16:21 <KotCzarny> but not that much as with -g
May 22 11:16:22 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:16:29 <jldiaz> Im'm trying to write a small python client for mpd
May 22 11:16:35 <jldiaz> console oriented
May 22 11:16:52 <jldiaz> but I don't know how to read a keypress from python
May 22 11:17:02 <hugolp> but the striped executable works?
May 22 11:17:12 <KotCzarny> hugolp: yes
May 22 11:17:15 <jldiaz> windows implementation has a getch() function, but it is not available for unix
May 22 11:17:31 <GeneralAntilles> jldiaz, you might be interested in powerlaunch
May 22 11:17:35 <_berto_> that's not portable
May 22 11:17:44 <GeneralAntilles> http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/
May 22 11:17:50 <jldiaz> I've read about using tty to put stdin in raw mode, but maemo's python does not provide tty module
May 22 11:18:23 <KotCzarny> jldiaz, there is mpd client in c/ncurses
May 22 11:18:24 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:18:54 <jldiaz> Yes, I know KotCzarny
May 22 11:19:23 <jldiaz> but forget about the final goal I'm pursuing.. :-)
May 22 11:19:28 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:19:33 <jldiaz> the question is... how to read a keypress from python?
May 22 11:19:44 <KotCzarny> use pygtk?
May 22 11:19:44 <jldiaz> in xterm?
May 22 11:19:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 11:20:21 <kup> black cat .... :D
May 22 11:20:40 <KotCzarny> kup: wrong order
May 22 11:20:41 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:21:10 <kup> sure ;)
May 22 11:21:49 <jldiaz> python for maemo docs say "tty is deprecated". This suggest that there is a better way
May 22 11:23:29 <KotCzarny> googling: reading from keyboard in python ?
May 22 11:23:49 <kup> KotCzarny: he he, i was born in wroclaw
May 22 11:24:03 <KotCzarny> kup: i wasn't
May 22 11:24:04 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 11:24:50 <jldiaz> KotCzarny: yes, I googled, but the solutions I've found do not work on maemo
May 22 11:25:00 <KotCzarny> jldiaz: ie, reply = raw_input("Do you have a dead parrot? ") doesn't work?
May 22 11:25:59 <kup> where are you from? polish linux community became very strong in the last few years
May 22 11:26:10 <KotCzarny> kup: north-east part
May 22 11:26:40 <kup> ah, i was on wolin last year
May 22 11:26:53 <KotCzarny> that's north-west afair
May 22 11:26:54 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 11:27:11 <kup> ups ... you're right
May 22 11:27:21 <kup> gdansk?
May 22 11:27:29 <KotCzarny> north-center
May 22 11:27:30 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:28:11 <kup> :D
May 22 11:29:33 <trickie_> jldiaz: import curses
May 22 11:29:38 <trickie_> does that work?
May 22 11:29:52 <jldiaz> KotCzarny: it works, but it requires I press Return after each char
May 22 11:30:04 <jldiaz> I want to read the char as soon as it is pressed
May 22 11:30:24 <KotCzarny> try setting stdin as unbuffered?
May 22 11:30:54 <jldiaz> apparently, the trick is to use tty.setraw()
May 22 11:31:05 <jldiaz> but there is no tty on maemo
May 22 11:31:06 <jldiaz> however, I'm reading tty implementation
May 22 11:31:29 <jldiaz> it relies on termios, which is present
May 22 11:31:31 <KotCzarny> shot in the dark, stdin.setraw() ?
May 22 11:31:32 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:31:48 <jldiaz> so perhaps it would be possible to implement my own setraw
May 22 11:31:59 <jldiaz> trickie_, import curses fails
May 22 11:32:11 <KotCzarny> import ncurses ?
May 22 11:32:11 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 11:33:38 <jldiaz> fails too
May 22 11:35:17 <trickie_> jldiaz: yeah i just read that the curses module was deprecated for pymaemo
May 22 11:35:41 <trickie_> jldiaz: maybe ask on the pymaemo list?
May 22 11:36:15 <jldiaz> AHA!
May 22 11:36:17 <jldiaz> sorry
May 22 11:36:24 <jldiaz> I did it
May 22 11:36:48 <jldiaz> just copied the definition of setraw from tty.py in my ubuntu box, to my maemo script
May 22 11:37:28 <jldiaz> it works "out of the box"
May 22 11:37:42 <X-Fade> Heh, Quim adds fuel to the fire for the rumours in his last mail to -developers ;)
May 22 11:39:22 <trickie_> :)
May 22 11:40:05 <woolfgang> hi
May 22 11:41:17 <woolfgang> we're working on utilizing the light sensor of the n810 and thought it would be cool to control the maemo web browser
May 22 11:41:19 <Jaffa> X-Fade: about the ITTSS?
May 22 11:41:44 <X-Fade> Jaffa: The OpenExpo one..
May 22 11:41:53 <woolfgang> is there any way to manipulate the scrollbar of another hildon window
May 22 11:42:25 <RST38h> not officially
May 22 11:42:30 <Jaffa> X-Fade: heh, I see :-)
May 22 11:42:48 <Jaffa> Blimey, that's a bloody long wait for Diablo.
May 22 11:43:04 <woolfgang> RST38h, and unofficially ;)
May 22 11:43:05 <Jaffa> Or... N900 release announced at LinuxTag :)
May 22 11:43:14 <KotCzarny> o.o
May 22 11:43:19 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Who says it is diablo ;)
May 22 11:43:34 <GeneralAntilles> I dunno
May 22 11:43:39 <GeneralAntilles> The PowerVR stuff at maemo-meeting
May 22 11:43:39 <GeneralAntilles> this
May 22 11:43:42 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like N900
May 22 11:44:06 <Jaffa> N900 in September would fit with the Q3 rumour discussed on ITT, interestingly.
May 22 11:44:10 <X-Fade> As I said, let the rumours start ;)
May 22 11:44:21 <jldiaz> see you
May 22 11:44:23 <Jaffa> X-Fade: do you know, btw?
May 22 11:44:51 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I know as much as you guys do. I'm intentionally left out of the loop of Nokia things.
May 22 11:45:01 <Jaffa> X-Fade: that's what I figured
May 22 11:45:12 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, maybe Nokia meant southern-hemisphere summer for Diablo? :D
May 22 11:45:20 <solmumaha> link?
May 22 11:45:30 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: they said Q2 though ;-/
May 22 11:46:55 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, this OMAP3 stuff always makes me giddy when I think about it. . . .
May 22 11:47:09 <RST38h> OMAP2 is actually quite sufficient
May 22 11:47:15 <KotCzarny> pity it would cost 500-900$
May 22 11:47:16 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 11:47:19 <RST38h> Just wish it were better documented...
May 22 11:47:33 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, I'll take the decent LCD controller.
May 22 11:47:36 <Jaffa> solmumaha: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20067 and http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017787.html
May 22 11:47:43 <RST38h> yea, agree on the lcd controller
May 22 11:48:06 <RST38h> why didn't they make an option to use the built-in one to render into a 640x480 window?
May 22 11:48:53 <GeneralAntilles> Really wouldn't make sense for what they're targeting the device for.
May 22 11:49:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's a web browser and IM client, you don't need super fast graphics for that. ;)
May 22 11:49:46 <RST38h> It has become painfully obvious by now that it is NOT only a web browser an IM client...
May 22 11:50:00 <RST38h> It is the only device in their lineup that has decent screen resolution
May 22 11:50:05 <GeneralAntilles> To the community, but the management is not the community.
May 22 11:50:16 <RST38h> Especially after Nokia cancelled production of 416x352 devices
May 22 11:50:19 <solmumaha> Jaffa: thanks
May 22 11:50:20 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Although we all would love an application switcher like this :P http://smspillaz.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/sphere1.png
May 22 11:50:31 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
May 22 11:50:41 <GeneralAntilles> No Clutter, either!
May 22 11:50:51 <GeneralAntilles> I just want menus to render fast and tear-free.
May 22 11:51:09 * Jaffa want sthe N900 to seamlessly run the JavaFX demo from JavaOne where 100s of HD videos were flying around in a 3D swarm, rendering with no skip or framedrop.
May 22 11:51:33 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 22 11:51:38 <RST38h> That was cheating
May 22 11:51:39 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
May 22 11:51:48 <RST38h> There is no way Java can do that
May 22 11:52:14 <Jaffa> Of course, it's libraries on top of OpenGL - the point of the demo was how easy it is to write apps which do that in Java 7
May 22 11:53:07 <GeneralAntilles> Be nice if Nokia discovers a magical way to cram the OMAP3440 in there and retain good battery life.
May 22 11:53:20 <GeneralAntilles> 800MHz. . . .
May 22 11:53:50 <KotCzarny> and leave out necessary libs
May 22 11:53:53 <KotCzarny> *grin*
May 22 11:53:55 <Jaffa> Oooh, shiny. OpenOffice and Java sans-Jazelle would both be realistic options then
May 22 11:55:10 <RST38h> Jaffa: yes, it is so easy, JavaFX probably has an API call Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarm() =)
May 22 11:56:15 <Jaffa> RST38h: Probably, since it's a Sun API, you'll have to go through a Make100HDVideosFlyInSwarmFactory, first.
May 22 11:56:26 <RST38h> and it will be a native call anyway
May 22 12:03:07 <KotCzarny> the best function evah, SatisfyLuser();
May 22 12:03:08 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 12:03:33 <Jaffa> Nah, /me prefers User.shoot()
May 22 12:03:38 <KotCzarny> implementation quality could vary though
May 22 12:05:29 <Jaffa> KotCzarny: you're right - let's invert it: new BFG9000().shoot(User)
May 22 12:05:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 12:07:52 <RST38h> None of you understand the Spirit of Java
May 22 12:08:04 <KotCzarny> mine was in c
May 22 12:08:41 <RST38h> In the spirit of Java, you are supposed to have at least one observer function
May 22 12:08:57 <RST38h> And implement an interface
May 22 12:09:12 <KotCzarny> you are taking away the fun from it.
May 22 12:09:14 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 12:09:29 <RST38h> And have both BFG and User have a Port object
May 22 12:10:05 <RST38h> and do System.Ports.Send(BFG9000().GetPort(),User.GetPort(),BFG9000.Actions.Shoot);
May 22 12:10:15 <RST38h> Kot: I know :)
May 22 12:10:28 <Jaffa> RST38h: That looks more like .NET WebServices
May 22 12:10:51 <RST38h> Jaffa: looks like generic java-derived crap =)
May 22 12:11:05 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody bothered to test if Diablo restores the Extras setting correctly from a backup?
May 22 12:13:08 <hendry> anyone know why I get perm problems with `sb2 make install`? http://static.natalian.org/2008-05-22/sb2pixmanperm.txt
May 22 12:18:48 <Jaykie> question: Anyone using Joikuspot with Nokia phone and connecting N8xx through it?
May 22 12:19:39 <Jaykie> seems like there is JoikuSpot 2.0 final available and it's working fine except i cannot connect https sites with microb
May 22 12:19:55 <KotCzarny> jaykie: try setting a proxy?
May 22 12:20:10 <Jaykie> KotCzarny: yeah, question how do i do it in microb?
May 22 12:20:17 <KotCzarny> not in microb
May 22 12:20:32 <KotCzarny> i think it's done where you setup connection
May 22 12:20:46 <KotCzarny> (well, maybe about:config in microb will work too)
May 22 12:20:50 <Jaykie> you mean in joikuspot?
May 22 12:21:03 <KotCzarny> jaykie: i'm just guessing
May 22 12:21:18 <Jaykie> ok i'll try that one...in joikuspot manual they have guide for IE and they tell to turn on automatic detection of settings
May 22 12:21:32 <KotCzarny> journal commit I/O error
May 22 12:21:33 <KotCzarny> O.O
May 22 12:26:57 <Jaykie> not very familiar with about:config...just found entry for network.proxy.ssl with value: string :)
May 22 12:27:07 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 12:27:26 <KotCzarny> i think you can also edit user.js
May 22 12:27:41 <KotCzarny> at least that was an option in firefox
May 22 12:28:32 <Jaykie> thanks for your tips
May 22 12:33:08 <KotCzarny> http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3945496.ece
May 22 12:34:39 <RST38h> Kot: UK
May 22 12:34:49 <RST38h> The original inventors of concentration camps ;)
May 22 12:35:05 <KotCzarny> rest of the world will follow
May 22 12:35:06 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 12:35:31 <RST38h> No doubt, they always followed...
May 22 12:35:43 <RST38h> But look at the bright side: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1992853/Monster-carnivorous-mice-overrun-Gough-Island.html
May 22 12:35:43 <KotCzarny> or be forced to follow
May 22 12:35:44 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 12:35:49 <KotCzarny> yeah
May 22 12:35:51 <KotCzarny> saw that
May 22 12:36:29 <lopz> morning
May 22 12:36:54 <RST38h> Meanwhile in Kansas: http://www.kmbc.com/news/16345135/detail.html
May 22 12:37:54 <KotCzarny> zombie nation
May 22 12:38:07 <KotCzarny> *thump*
May 22 12:40:53 <madsk> Hi guys. I am trying to compile something in scratchbox that depends on libfl.a (the flex lib) but somehow it does not work. Even though libfl.a exists in /scratchbox/tools/lib it says: "flex library not found"
May 22 12:41:12 <KotCzarny> .a is static lib
May 22 12:41:24 <KotCzarny> you need .so for -lfl
May 22 12:41:40 <madsk> Ahh, right...
May 22 12:41:44 <KotCzarny> otherwise you need to put /usr/lib/libfl.a on the command line
May 22 12:41:46 <KotCzarny> or something
May 22 12:42:05 <KotCzarny> (or -static flag)
May 22 12:42:34 <madsk> This error occurs in the configure script of the Julius speech recognition software.
May 22 12:42:56 <madsk> So they must use some shared-object flexlib...
May 22 12:44:02 <madsk> But in /scratchbox/tools/lib only libfl.a exists, no .so version.
May 22 12:44:38 <madsk> On my regular Ubuntu installation both libfl.a an libfl.so resides in /usr/lib
May 22 12:45:04 <KotCzarny> remember that scratchbox matches and mixes dirs
May 22 12:46:36 <madsk> Yes, I an currently doing an 'find / -name libfl.so' but it takes a lot of time :-)
May 22 12:47:24 <madsk> And it was not found...
May 22 12:47:47 <KotCzarny> apt-get install flex?
May 22 12:47:49 <KotCzarny> apt-get install byacc?
May 22 12:49:31 <madsk> Tried installing flex - it says its not available
May 22 12:54:48 <madsk> I am building flex from scratch now to see if that creates a libfl.so for me.
May 22 12:54:54 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 12:55:41 <madsk> it didn't :P
May 22 12:56:04 <RST38h> madsk: make so out of a
May 22 12:56:15 <RST38h> or include a at the command line and remove -lfl flag
May 22 12:56:50 <RST38h> to make an so, do something like gcc -o libfl.so -shared libfl.a
May 22 12:56:55 <madsk> Yes, but that would mean trying to figure out how their build scripts work :)
May 22 12:57:00 <madsk> ok, I'll try that now
May 22 12:57:04 <RST38h> no pain no gain
May 22 12:57:09 <madsk> :D
May 22 12:59:27 <soman> hii... im unable to play an .mpeg file on N810
May 22 12:59:37 <KotCzarny> get mplayer
May 22 12:59:47 <soman> what gst-plugin do i need to have on N810
May 22 12:59:56 <KotCzarny> or check if it's mpeg
May 22 13:01:05 <soman> it says media codec not present
May 22 13:01:12 <KotCzarny> check on pc
May 22 13:01:21 <soman> on PC its working fine
May 22 13:01:30 <KotCzarny> no, check what format it is
May 22 13:08:06 <soman> its mpeg2
May 22 13:08:19 <KotCzarny> transcode it
May 22 13:08:31 <soman> what does that mean
May 22 13:08:41 <KotCzarny> 400mhz is a little low for mpeg2
May 22 13:08:51 <KotCzarny> especially if resolution is high too
May 22 13:09:29 <soman> so how can i transcode it
May 22 13:09:35 <KotCzarny> transcode == convert to another format
May 22 13:10:15 <soman> but i need to have mpeg 2 only
May 22 13:10:48 <KotCzarny> then i say, it's not going to happen on your tablet
May 22 13:10:50 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 13:11:36 <summatusmentis> tablets can't play mpeg2?
May 22 13:11:36 <soman> ok
May 22 13:12:01 <soman> oh... thanks for support...
May 22 13:12:02 <KotCzarny> summatusmentis: well, theoretically mplayer can play it, but it's cpu intensive
May 22 13:12:03 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 13:12:16 <summatusmentis> oh, ok, that makes sense
May 22 13:12:17 <KotCzarny> so it's better to transcode
May 22 13:13:13 <soman> ok
May 22 13:19:14 <ravious> mediaserv is a nice little on the fly encoder with a httpd frontend to browse the files.. pretty easy to setup too.
May 22 13:30:40 <RST38h> "The editors of "Sky Horse", LLC  are planning to release a disk collection of the best software for PC, PDA (pocket PC), smart phones and cell phones. Our computer software analysts have positively evaluated your program(s)..."
May 22 13:30:56 <RST38h> -- Elena Nasyrova Legando.S60@skyhorse.com.ua
May 22 13:31:01 <KotCzarny> o.o
May 22 13:31:09 <KotCzarny> what's a best software?
May 22 13:31:12 <RST38h> Dear Elena Nasyrova! I explicitely PROHIBIT you from including any of my programs in
May 22 13:31:13 <RST38h> anyyour disk collections.
May 22 13:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
May 22 13:31:28 <RST38h> [you can fuck off now.]
May 22 13:31:29 <Stskeeps> mm. sky horses. good on bread
May 22 13:31:29 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 13:32:19 <RST38h> Kot: Anything that they can place onto CD without too high litigation risk
May 22 13:32:37 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 22 13:32:42 <RST38h> Kot: Given their .UA address, let us just say "anything"
May 22 13:32:49 <KotCzarny> well
May 22 13:33:09 * KotCzarny says photoshop cs3
May 22 13:33:11 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 13:33:23 <KotCzarny> that would make the case interesting :)
May 22 13:33:23 <RST38h> We DO NOT SELL the software, we distribute the best free and shareware software and ADVERTISE its authors on it. ($4.50/CD)
May 22 13:33:55 <KotCzarny> cds were ok in the pre-internet era
May 22 13:33:59 <KotCzarny> but now?
May 22 13:34:11 <RST38h> How else would they sell you pirated software?
May 22 13:34:15 <KotCzarny> kind of dollar store presents
May 22 13:35:41 <ravious> anyone know of any shfsmount or remote filesystem projects currently being worked on/
May 22 13:35:52 <KotCzarny> ?
May 22 13:35:58 <KotCzarny> sshfs and sambafs
May 22 13:37:38 <anidel> hi
May 22 13:37:54 <zap> curlftpfs
May 22 13:37:58 <zap> works fine here
May 22 13:38:20 <KotCzarny> nfs is ok too
May 22 13:38:22 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 13:52:13 <ravious> does sshfs work on os2007he?
May 22 14:04:59 <zap> sshfs is damn slow
May 22 14:05:10 <zap> nfs is fast, but not easy to set up
May 22 14:05:19 <KotCzarny> lcuk: end of vacations? :)
May 22 14:05:36 <lcuk> damn, i was trying to stay out of here for a couple of hours
May 22 14:05:40 <zap> curlftpfs is fast, and mounts any ftp server which is easy to set up
May 22 14:05:40 <lcuk> yes though :)
May 22 14:05:40 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 14:05:47 <lcuk> ty
May 22 14:06:02 * lcuk needs a holiday
May 22 14:06:08 <KotCzarny> zap: sshfs may be slow but for most of the uses it's enough
May 22 14:06:22 <lcuk> is sshfs slow?
May 22 14:06:26 <KotCzarny> zap: and what it loses in therms of speed it gains in ease of use
May 22 14:06:32 <KotCzarny> lcuk: on slow cpus
May 22 14:06:33 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 14:06:42 <lcuk> like 2420?
May 22 14:06:50 <lcuk> in powersave mode?
May 22 14:06:56 <KotCzarny> i got ~450-500kb/s with it
May 22 14:07:06 <zap> via wifi or via usb?
May 22 14:07:09 <KotCzarny> wifi
May 22 14:07:14 <KotCzarny> i don't use usb
May 22 14:07:19 <zap> well thats about the top you can get with wifi
May 22 14:07:29 <lcuk> have i missed anything vital then kot?
May 22 14:07:43 <KotCzarny> lcuk, hmm, diablo for some people
May 22 14:07:53 <lcuk> some isnt everyone :)
May 22 14:07:56 <KotCzarny> but not that much exciting
May 22 14:07:57 <lcuk> ive been making notes
May 22 14:08:01 <lcuk> lots of notes
May 22 14:08:10 <zap> lotus of notes
May 22 14:08:16 <lcuk> so many notes that i ended up with a floating point error ;)
May 22 14:08:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:08:42 <KotCzarny> piled so much that weren't able to float anymore
May 22 14:08:45 <lcuk> but its good, ive got a lot of ideas now about what i need to do
May 22 14:10:07 <lcuk> i will hopefully vanish for a few days and prepare a speech based on what ive noted
May 22 14:10:15 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:10:59 <lcuk> holy shpoopoo 2400 spams since i left!
May 22 14:11:15 <KotCzarny> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928
May 22 14:11:16 <KotCzarny> lol
May 22 14:11:29 <lcuk> wicked
May 22 14:11:39 <KotCzarny> probably oom
May 22 14:11:41 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:11:53 <lcuk> i best unpack, back later
May 22 14:11:57 <KotCzarny> k k
May 22 14:14:31 <xadap> hi
May 22 14:15:17 <xadap> I'd like to port a GPL app to OS2007HE. I've been browsing maemo.org and I can't see really well where to start
May 22 14:15:20 <xadap> any guidelines? :)
May 22 14:16:52 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html ?
May 22 14:18:43 <KotCzarny> and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/ in general
May 22 14:18:49 <xadap> uhms, I didn't find that link, KotCzarny
May 22 14:18:50 <xadap> thanks :)
May 22 14:18:54 <KotCzarny> heh
May 22 14:18:58 <KotCzarny> first link in google..
May 22 14:19:03 <xadap> i already did :p
May 22 14:19:14 <xadap> i even looked for the app i wanna port, in case it had been done before
May 22 14:19:26 <KotCzarny> magic word for google and maemo is: maemo
May 22 14:19:30 <xadap> by the way, how do I know whether I need 3.x guides or 4.x ?
May 22 14:19:37 <KotCzarny> both should work
May 22 14:19:48 <KotCzarny> though some thing changed names
May 22 14:20:06 <KotCzarny> *things
May 22 14:20:10 <xadap> alright
May 22 14:20:24 <xadap> if I succeed on that port, I'll try to put it in some repository
May 22 14:20:25 <xadap> thanks ;D
May 22 14:20:38 <anidel> xadap: consider Maemo Extras repository
May 22 14:20:59 <xadap> I'll do :)
May 22 14:21:02 <X-Fade> anidel: You were quick at noticing the stats changes ;)
May 22 14:24:22 <anidel> X-Fade I was lucky :P
May 22 14:24:46 <anidel> I even spent time searching on the ITT forum in case I had miss it, before posting to Maemo Developers
May 22 14:25:12 <X-Fade> Hehe.
May 22 14:25:52 <anidel> Anyway a few days ago I was happy Xournal was the 2nd in the Popular section.. and I was checking to see how close to Pidgin I was.. now..  50.000 (canola2) agains 5000 (xournal).. eheh no need to check anymore :P
May 22 14:26:13 <qwerty12> hehe, xournal and canola are both great :)
May 22 14:26:54 <anidel> BTW, I was surprised to see the count was so low and I wondered several times why that was so.. now I know why
May 22 14:27:05 <X-Fade> anidel: Yeah, but your app has seen a lot of attention lately? It is doing great.
May 22 14:27:11 <anidel> qwerty12: :) thanks.. it was just fun to see it there
May 22 14:27:42 <anidel> X-Fade it really is doing great.. and users should be very happy as I am getting low or no complaints at all
May 22 14:28:06 <anidel> maybe that's because there's no direct link from the Maemo Downloads page -> to ITT forum thread specific for it ? (hint)
May 22 14:28:06 <KotCzarny> that doesn't necessarily matter things you think it means
May 22 14:28:07 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 14:28:27 <anidel> :p
May 22 14:28:57 <KotCzarny> s/matter/means
May 22 14:29:34 <X-Fade> anidel: You can add links if you want..
May 22 14:30:18 <X-Fade> At least point it's homepage to the thread ;)
May 22 14:30:19 <anidel> X-Fade: yup.. I was referring to the last discussion on ITT about the Downloads section Reggie opened (and than closed) few days ago on ITT
May 22 14:30:27 <X-Fade> Or just add it in the description.
May 22 14:30:54 <anidel> X-Fade: I will open a garage project for it and link either the garage page AND the ITT forum thread
May 22 14:31:26 <X-Fade> Even better :)
May 22 14:31:34 <anidel> I always do the best things :P
May 22 14:34:32 <anidel> how do you want to solve the problem with packages that were previously hosted on our own repo and then later added to Extras ?
May 22 14:35:05 <X-Fade> Just add them up? :)
May 22 14:35:30 <X-Fade> Although to have good stats, you should just move to extras ofcourse ;)
May 22 14:36:12 <anidel> You would need to ask people to send you their download stats ...
May 22 14:36:23 <X-Fade> anidel: Nah..
May 22 14:36:37 <X-Fade> Just get your stuff into extras or don't get a pretty graph :)
May 22 14:36:52 * KotCzarny senses stats fixing 
May 22 14:36:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:37:19 <X-Fade> KotCzarny: Too much work :D
May 22 14:37:24 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:37:40 <anidel> I was talking about the "PS" in your last e-mail on maemo-developers.. about adding download stats of packages that were not hosted on extras before
May 22 14:37:57 <anidel> (it's just for the sake of curiosity, tho)
May 22 14:38:01 <X-Fade> anidel: Well, we recorded the clicks on the install button..
May 22 14:38:33 <anidel> oh ok that's it.. not stats from apps that were not even listed on Maemo.. got it :)
May 22 14:38:38 <X-Fade> But you don't know how many downloads were through application manager. As that doesn't go through our servers..
May 22 14:39:05 <anidel> exactly..
May 22 14:39:12 <X-Fade> If you host your packages yourself.
May 22 14:39:14 <KotCzarny> akamai sucks a little
May 22 14:39:18 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:39:37 <X-Fade> KotCzarny: ehm.. what shall I say about that.. :D
May 22 14:40:06 <KotCzarny> especially their ability to 401 the request instead redirecting to proper server
May 22 14:40:07 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:40:20 <KotCzarny> s/instead/instead of
May 22 14:41:03 <anidel> geek
May 22 14:41:06 <anidel> :)
May 22 14:43:39 <ravious> I have a question about sshfs on os2007. I've managed to mount my network filesystem as root, but my mount point folders are always grayed out on the user account file manager. I assume its a permissions error.  Any advice?
May 22 14:43:55 <KotCzarny> -o allow_other
May 22 14:44:05 <X-Fade> I've also been testing a feature to show new applications in the maemo.org/news section.
May 22 14:44:31 <X-Fade> So they can end up on the front page too, if they get enough thumbs up :)
May 22 14:44:42 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 22 14:44:59 <KotCzarny> maemo apps already has that?
May 22 14:45:00 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:45:06 <anidel> not in the news
May 22 14:45:19 <anidel> and not thumbable
May 22 14:45:40 <KotCzarny> no?
May 22 14:46:08 <anidel> we only have Garage news there
May 22 14:46:18 <KotCzarny> hum
May 22 14:46:22 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/
May 22 14:46:28 <KotCzarny> i talk about this page
May 22 14:46:38 <X-Fade> KotCzarny: I would know that ;) Because I have mostly implemented it ;)
May 22 14:46:45 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:47:14 <anidel> that page is for newly added applications too.. but they don't show up in the News section and you cannot love or thumb down them
May 22 14:47:26 <KotCzarny> ah
May 22 14:47:29 <KotCzarny> those thumbs
May 22 14:47:31 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:47:38 <anidel> yup
May 22 14:47:45 <ravious> workted Kot, tyvm :)
May 22 14:47:47 <X-Fade> Karma baby!
May 22 14:47:48 <anidel> if I got it well, X-fade ?
May 22 14:47:54 <X-Fade> yep.
May 22 14:47:55 <anidel> :)
May 22 14:48:09 <KotCzarny> x-fade, yes, please, 2k would be enough
May 22 14:48:10 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:48:54 <anidel> any more recent news about a jobs.maemo.org ?
May 22 14:49:45 <KotCzarny> other than it shows downloads?
May 22 14:49:46 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:50:21 <anidel> ah! never noticed
May 22 14:50:34 <KotCzarny> probably catch all domain :)
May 22 14:50:39 <anidel> yup
May 22 14:52:16 <anidel> yesterday I have installed the slide rotate patch.. it's awesome! Xournal is even more useful while holding the tablet in portrait mode
May 22 14:53:07 <anidel> I should make it catch the change in size of the window and show a better toolbar for that mode
May 22 14:53:34 <X-Fade> KotCzarny: Yep.
May 22 14:53:54 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:54:29 <KotCzarny> anidel, rotation patch won't be in official kernel for a while
May 22 14:54:51 <anidel> so Xournal, for those who don't care, we'll always behave as usual :P ehhe
May 22 14:55:01 <KotCzarny> it would require to test/fix too much stuff for nokia devs :)
May 22 14:55:28 <anidel> I am not asking it to be made official... even tho I would love it
May 22 14:55:56 <X-Fade> Perhaps it can be distributed as a module?
May 22 14:56:13 <KotCzarny> x-fade: it requires changes to the vid driver
May 22 14:56:37 <lcuk> thats a module ;)
May 22 14:56:45 <KotCzarny> heh
May 22 14:56:57 <X-Fade> KotCzarny: I hope SSU will give us more updates, so we don't have to wait so long for an actual fix/feature to show up.
May 22 14:57:08 <KotCzarny> anyways, patch for kernel is trivial (almost)
May 22 14:57:13 <KotCzarny> and works
May 22 14:57:14 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:57:20 <lcuk> until the next official release
May 22 14:57:22 <qwerty12> So far with SSU, all I get is new kernel (woot :)) and broken initfs packages :?
May 22 14:57:29 <qwerty12> s/:?/:/
May 22 14:57:30 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: So far with SSU, all I get is new kernel (woot :)) and broken initfs packages :
May 22 14:57:35 * KotCzarny got ftd
May 22 14:57:36 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:57:41 * qwerty12 has it too ;)
May 22 14:57:48 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Yeah, but you are not supposed to get anything yet :D
May 22 14:57:56 * lcuk got big fat cpu change buttons so is happy
May 22 14:58:07 <qwerty12> X-Fade, Hehe, true. I bow my head down :)
May 22 14:58:53 <lcuk> KotCzarny, you will be pleased to hear i want to live in powersave mode more often than performance :)
May 22 14:58:57 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 14:59:06 <lcuk> ondemand is too flakey
May 22 14:59:20 <KotCzarny> lcuk: i got gcc 4.2.3 in sbox :)
May 22 14:59:36 <lcuk> i got gcc whatever version direct on device and its been bliss
May 22 14:59:52 <KotCzarny> 3.4.4 probably
May 22 15:00:04 <lcuk> apart from starting pygtkeditor from the console is blocking - i cant execute on another thread
May 22 15:00:19 <KotCzarny> use &
May 22 15:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, have you seen the update notification applet yet?
May 22 15:00:26 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Many times
May 22 15:00:29 <GeneralAntilles> Really?
May 22 15:00:32 <lcuk> what do you mean, simply &pygtkeditor
May 22 15:00:33 <GeneralAntilles> I've yet to see it.
May 22 15:00:35 <qwerty12> I even had it in chinook ;)
May 22 15:00:39 <KotCzarny> at the end
May 22 15:00:43 <KotCzarny> app &
May 22 15:01:07 <GeneralAntilles> They got rid of the update interval, does it do background checks?
May 22 15:01:10 <anidel> qwerty12: in chinook ?
May 22 15:01:20 <lcuk> ROOOOLES! thank you
May 22 15:01:26 <qwerty12> anidel, Newer application manager compiled. piss take though...
May 22 15:01:29 <KotCzarny> lcuk, *nix
May 22 15:01:32 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 15:01:36 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I only get it when I update repos manually :/
May 22 15:01:40 <anidel> qwerty12: oh :)
May 22 15:01:53 <qwerty12> Settings for the update notifier are in gconf
May 22 15:01:58 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the whole update applet is really stupidly pointless if it doesn't occasionally check for updates in the background.
May 22 15:02:01 <lcuk> right, ive got lots to do - im gonna start unpacking all these notes - its been a dream this week
May 22 15:02:24 * KotCzarny consumes breakfast
May 22 15:02:47 <anidel> breakfast ? I am almost ready for dinner.. soccer match before that
May 22 15:02:50 <lcuk> didnt get breakfast today - left for the airport before the cafe opened
May 22 15:03:17 <KotCzarny> well
May 22 15:03:27 <KotCzarny> first meal after sleep
May 22 15:03:40 <KotCzarny> call it what you like :)
May 22 15:03:40 <anidel> GA: App Manager does check them up regularly, probably the applet relies on that
May 22 15:03:57 <qwerty12> anidel, Time for that has disappeared in Options
May 22 15:04:12 <Sakkath> http://gronmayer.com/it/ <-- how do I install this repo? there is a include() error on the page
May 22 15:04:22 <KotCzarny> it's not a repo
May 22 15:05:55 <anidel> qwerty12: weird decision
May 22 15:05:56 <Sakkath> Uhm.
May 22 15:06:04 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: then what do i do for becomeroot?
May 22 15:06:12 <KotCzarny> google?
May 22 15:06:14 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 15:06:18 <KotCzarny> ~becomeroot
May 22 15:06:18 <infobot> i guess becomeroot is on Maemo to get root run "sudo gainroot" or dig in maemo.org wiki for proper howto
May 22 15:06:56 <qwerty12> "~qwerty12" "I guess qwerty12 is the king" :p
May 22 15:07:44 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howdoibecomeroot/#7b9d9a1e686210e36211b6fac1a1dad2
May 22 15:07:56 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: how do i 'search' gronmayer.com/it
May 22 15:08:13 <KotCzarny> use google
May 22 15:08:25 <KotCzarny> gromnayer is only an index
May 22 15:08:47 <Sakkath> I found one on eko.one.pl but it was for bora
May 22 15:08:59 <anidel> X-Fade Canola guys just noticed the change in the Downloads count too :)
May 22 15:09:17 <X-Fade> I'm sure they did :)
May 22 15:09:43 <Sakkath> KotCzarny: will that work?
May 22 15:09:49 <KotCzarny> don't know
May 22 15:09:53 <KotCzarny> i use ssh for root
May 22 15:09:56 <qwerty12> That is the only becomeroot
May 22 15:10:24 <Sakkath> oh, thanks qwerty12
May 22 15:10:24 <qwerty12> but I will always <3 easyroot over becomeroot
May 22 15:10:33 <anidel> x-fade: they're chatting about that in #canola
May 22 15:10:34 <Sakkath> why?
May 22 15:10:50 <anidel> qwerty12  that <3 comes from Blizzard ?
May 22 15:11:17 <qwerty12> Sakkath, Because it does what becomeroot does (sudo gainroot) plus includes a "root" command which sets proper root enviroment variables.
May 22 15:11:29 <qwerty12> anidel, no afaik. <3 = f00kin iirc
May 22 15:12:15 <disq> why? just ssh root@127.1
May 22 15:12:25 <anidel> qwerty12: ok
May 22 15:12:52 <X-Fade> tonikitoo here? Or somebody that knows him?
May 22 15:13:18 <qwerty12> X-Fade, Has garage all of a sudden started to set deb mime types as application/x-archive?
May 22 15:13:29 <Sakkath> qwerty12: thanks
May 22 15:13:45 <X-Fade> qwerty12: No? It does that for a long time already?
May 22 15:14:18 <qwerty12> I've never noticed it before. before I could press open but because maemo doesn't include application/x-archive mime type as default, open is grayed out
May 22 15:14:25 <qwerty12> now that is
May 22 15:14:47 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Yeah, I saw mention about it before, I think.
May 22 15:15:44 <X-Fade> qwerty12: We will look into it..
May 22 15:15:53 <qwerty12> Thanks :)
May 22 15:16:15 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Can you please file a bug about it?
May 22 15:16:34 <qwerty12> X-Fade, If I knew how, I would, anyone else willing to file it please?
May 22 15:16:42 <X-Fade> That makes it easier for us to remember and assign it to somebody ;)
May 22 15:16:49 <KotCzarny> qwerty: learn!
May 22 15:16:51 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 15:17:09 <qwerty12> Best I can do is voting :P
May 22 15:17:13 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: bug trackers aren't hard...
May 22 15:17:29 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Before maemo, I'd never heard of them
May 22 15:17:44 <X-Fade> qwerty12: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Website&component=Garage :)
May 22 15:17:44 <anidel> qwerty12: so you've got diablo and you're not filing bugs up ? bad, too bad
May 22 15:18:04 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: yeah, but it's not difficult.
May 22 15:18:25 <summatusmentis> oh, see, it's even bugzilla!
May 22 15:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, it has a nice walkthrough and everything.
May 22 15:21:17 <qwerty12> Ok, I'll try but will you be willing to help please if (most likely, for sure) I need it :)
May 22 15:21:41 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, just let me know if you run into any trouble at all. :P
May 22 15:21:42 <anidel> x-fade: so Vagalume was cheating ? it has now only 800 downloads ? :p
May 22 15:21:55 <X-Fade> anidel: No, that is one in the PS category..
May 22 15:22:04 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, Thanks :)
May 22 15:22:58 <anidel> X-Fade: PS ?
May 22 15:23:04 <anidel> oh PC ?
May 22 15:23:12 <X-Fade> no, PS in my mail..
May 22 15:24:19 <qwerty12> Erm, what goes in alias? :/
May 22 15:24:24 <qwerty12> Sorry for dumbness
May 22 15:24:32 <KotCzarny> probably 'qwerty12'
May 22 15:24:32 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 22 15:24:39 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Just leave empty.
May 22 15:24:58 <summatusmentis> lol!
May 22 15:25:03 <summatusmentis> sorry, I don't mean to laugh
May 22 15:25:18 <anidel> X-fade: k
May 22 15:25:30 <GeneralAntilles> Alias is for linking to the internal Nokia bugtracker, qwerty12.
May 22 15:25:33 <GeneralAntilles> You never need to worry about it.
May 22 15:25:39 <qwerty12> Ah, ok
May 22 15:25:52 <qwerty12> "ur mom" isn't really a good alias is it?
May 22 15:26:05 <summatusmentis> do it!
May 22 15:26:24 <KotCzarny> do ur mom?
May 22 15:26:32 <qwerty12> lmao
May 22 15:26:44 <summatusmentis> hrr hrr *rolls eyes*
May 22 15:26:51 <GeneralAntilles> You also don't need to worry about Whiteboard and Keywords for now, qwerty12.
May 22 15:29:13 <summatusmentis> alright, I have a stupid question. Is the USB port on the N810 mini-usb?
May 22 15:29:23 <qwerty12> X-Fade, Which is better title? ".deb files on garage project are reported as application/x-archive" or "deb files are not able to be opened with browser"
May 22 15:29:39 <qwerty12> Alternative suggestions appreciated
May 22 15:29:40 <X-Fade> qwerty12: First one.
May 22 15:29:55 <X-Fade> We can always alter it, don't worry..
May 22 15:30:02 <qwerty12> Cool
May 22 15:30:15 <X-Fade> As long as the problem is recorded and can be reproduced :)
May 22 15:30:49 <ur> hello. is there a software that supports video chat on n810 to either msn or yahoo or skype?
May 22 15:30:58 <qwerty12> msn = amsn
May 22 15:31:04 <summatusmentis> there's skype on the n810
May 22 15:31:09 <qwerty12> but no video in skype
May 22 15:31:13 <ur> I
May 22 15:31:14 <summatusmentis> oh really?
May 22 15:31:31 <ur> I have tried skype, no video
May 22 15:32:05 <GeneralAntilles> Gizmo has video.
May 22 15:32:10 <GeneralAntilles> If that's a workable alternative.
May 22 15:32:47 <summatusmentis> what about Google Talk?
May 22 15:33:04 <GeneralAntilles> Tablet-to-tablet
May 22 15:33:21 <ur> I should ask, has anyone of you successfully used video chat between n810 and a linux pc
May 22 15:35:17 <ur> google talk would be ok, is there a linux software on the pc that supports it with video?
May 22 15:35:39 <ur> I had asked for skype/yahoo/msn, because I do have software on the linux pc already that supports a webcam. no idea about google talk
May 22 15:39:34 <qwerty12> https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi
May 22 15:39:37 <qwerty12> oops
May 22 15:39:46 <qwerty12> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3189
May 22 15:39:52 <qwerty12> If something sucks, sorry.
May 22 15:41:21 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, qwerty12 figured out to delete the (always/sometimes/once)!
May 22 15:41:35 <qwerty12> 3 cheers for qwerty12!
May 22 15:41:36 <GeneralAntilles> If a 15-year-old can do it, you'd figure everybody else would be able to. . . . <_< :P
May 22 15:44:09 <WorkingOnWise> My hand ha been forced and I am now using Vista as my primary OS.  :( I thought "Well at least I should be able to sync Outlook and my N800 if I' on Windows" So I looked. Please please tell me there is a clean way to keep outlook and the N800 contacts and calendar synced.
May 22 15:45:01 <anidel> 3 cheers for qwerty12!
May 22 15:47:53 <Veggen> WorkingOnWise: why do you accept it, these days? (Vista as primary OS)?
May 22 15:48:28 <Veggen> but apart from that, there exists little clean ways to syncronize contact data and such  with the NITs....
May 22 15:48:41 <forge> Aye, it's not vista
May 22 15:48:48 <forge> It's N800
May 22 15:49:03 <Veggen> now, I do understand that they are not meant as PDAs, but seriously. They'd be quite useful as *that* too :)
May 22 15:49:17 <forge> They would
May 22 15:49:32 <forge> I would imagine that being a bit bigger market than pure internet tablet thingie
May 22 15:49:43 <Veggen> (but since I don't implement it, I have no right to complain, only to wish :)
May 22 15:49:59 <hrw> ;)
May 22 15:49:59 <forge> You can always vote with your wallet
May 22 15:50:15 <Veggen> forge: I have more use for a NIT than a PDA :)
May 22 15:50:28 <forge> :)
May 22 15:50:46 <KotCzarny> pdas are so 90' ;)
May 22 15:50:57 <qwerty12> Thats big!
May 22 15:51:29 * qwerty12 doesn't need or use any PDA or PIM. Even with my PPC, I don't use it as a PIM
May 22 15:51:56 <forge> Because of the marketting
May 22 15:52:10 <forge> But imagine a good internet tablet with really good pim suit out of the bat
May 22 15:52:35 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, save that for step 5.
May 22 15:52:36 <forge> I would imagine that bringing more focus on it from business perspective aswell and hopefully good quality programs :o
May 22 15:52:56 <forge> :)
May 22 15:53:17 <WorkingOnWise> Veggen: there are a few apps that I make money with that just dont work with Linux at all, and Vista Ultimate was free from Microsoft
May 22 15:53:30 * Navi yawns
May 22 15:53:43 * GeneralAntilles pokes Navi with a stick.
May 22 15:53:51 * Navi dies a horrible death
May 22 15:53:56 <qwerty12> My camera is funky!
May 22 15:53:58 <hrw|gone> bye
May 22 15:54:15 <Veggen> WorkingOnWise: me, I have only the bureaucratic applications on windows. But no productive work.
May 22 15:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> Get a job and get yourself a nice DSLR, qwerty12. :P
May 22 15:54:27 <qwerty12> I didn't know my W810 can do "3-d effect"
May 22 15:54:29 <forge> I use linux on work and vista at home
May 22 15:54:37 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, I hardly take pics :p
May 22 15:54:38 <forge> I like both
May 22 15:54:39 <Veggen> my windows box is destined to die soon, I can do it from a terminal server.
May 22 15:54:47 <GeneralAntilles> You will once you get a DSLR
May 22 15:54:52 <GeneralAntilles> Those things are so much fun
May 22 15:55:00 <Navi> pfft
May 22 15:55:12 <anidel> a Lumix 12X Leica lens is real fun :)
May 22 15:56:01 <Veggen> GA: agreed. My 2 yr old DSLR has taken >4000 pics now.
May 22 15:56:16 <Veggen> And I don't think that's extreme, I know people who takes way more.
May 22 15:56:28 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 22 15:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, Veggen, that's nothing.
May 22 15:56:51 <GeneralAntilles> Digital is so great
May 22 15:56:58 <GeneralAntilles> Just shoot as many pics as you want
May 22 15:57:03 <ur> GeneralAntilles: I
May 22 15:57:05 <KotCzarny> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-May/017795.html
May 22 15:57:05 <KotCzarny> lol
May 22 15:57:23 <WorkingOnWise> does anyone have debain up on the N8x0? Does the popup keyboard work? If I had a more desktop loke linux on the IT I would have an easier time syncing with outlook
May 22 15:57:26 <ur> GeneralAntilles: I have installed gizmo on the linux pc and registered for an account, but can not find video anywhere in the linux client user interface
May 22 15:57:32 <qwerty12> 3-d effect:http://i27.tinypic.com/fmqgc3.jpg w00t!
May 22 15:57:43 <GeneralAntilles> Linux hasn't gotten a 4.0 beta yet.
May 22 15:57:48 <WorkingOnWise> or Ubuntu Fiesty maybe?
May 22 15:57:48 <GeneralAntilles> Video is only in version 4
May 22 15:58:28 <KotCzarny> qwerty12: looks like too long exposure
May 22 15:58:29 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 15:58:43 <GeneralAntilles> You need to steady your hand, qwerty12. ;) :P
May 22 15:58:53 <lcuk> or stop the world
May 22 15:58:58 <qwerty12> KotCzarny, I don't know nothing about camera's. It's modded W810 but the camera driver on here sucks, I need to get new one
May 22 15:59:08 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, My button seems to have broken overnight :/
May 22 15:59:18 <qwerty12> I'll get the N80 :/
May 22 15:59:25 <qwerty12> (hate that phone_
May 22 15:59:29 <ur> I can't believe there is no software to do video between n810 and linux-pc
May 22 15:59:30 <qwerty12> s/_/)
May 22 15:59:46 <Navi> My mom has an N80
May 22 15:59:58 <Navi> I thought it was all right
May 22 16:00:13 <qwerty12> It's a good phone but I don't like thickness
May 22 16:00:18 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
May 22 16:00:31 <qwerty12> I need to fix the slide mechanism on it too, it's gotten loose
May 22 16:00:32 <lcuk> ur, i can't either
May 22 16:00:47 <Navi> Features over thickness for me
May 22 16:00:53 <Navi> Though, I could go for an E51
May 22 16:00:59 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, Darius in true form.
May 22 16:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> I'd like to meet that man in real life
May 22 16:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> I can only imagine. . . .
May 22 16:01:14 <Navi> robotcop
May 22 16:01:16 <qwerty12> with sharpened stick?
May 22 16:01:31 <ur> thanks all for your help, I conclude the cam in n810 is useless
May 22 16:01:41 <qwerty12> Took you a long time :p
May 22 16:01:46 <simboss_> guys are there any packages to have tools like make, gcc, g++ on the n800?
May 22 16:01:46 <qwerty12> Quality sucks anyway
May 22 16:01:54 <qwerty12> simboss_, build-essential
May 22 16:01:56 <Navi> dneary, I got up to the 'm's yesterday
May 22 16:02:17 <dneary> Yay!
May 22 16:02:36 <dneary> I thougt you were going to start at the Zs
May 22 16:02:37 <summatusmentis> is there a way to widen the scroll bars?
May 22 16:02:43 <dneary> So you did all the Hs
May 22 16:02:44 <dneary> ?
May 22 16:02:45 <Navi> I did start at the Zs
May 22 16:02:46 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, yes, check echowb
May 22 16:02:51 <Navi> Z up to M
May 22 16:02:59 <simboss_> qwerty12 thanks
May 22 16:03:05 <simboss_> I tried to apt-get install it
May 22 16:03:05 <Navi> >_>
May 22 16:03:10 <simboss_> but I am getting an error
May 22 16:03:12 <simboss_> :-(
May 22 16:03:18 <simboss_> will dig it
May 22 16:03:19 <Navi> There are a lot of Hs
May 22 16:03:19 <qwerty12> I think Chinook SDK repo needs to be enabled too
May 22 16:03:21 <simboss_> :-)
May 22 16:03:28 <KotCzarny> more like added
May 22 16:03:29 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 16:03:33 <simboss_> yeah I did it
May 22 16:03:39 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: thanks! I'm getting my N810 tomorrow
May 22 16:03:48 <summatusmentis> no, I lied, tonight!
May 22 16:03:51 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Cool :)
May 22 16:03:55 <qwerty12> hehe, even better :p
May 22 16:04:01 <KotCzarny> summatusmentis: optimist
May 22 16:04:03 <qwerty12> I was so excited to be recieving my N800 :)
May 22 16:04:24 <summatusmentis> KotCzarny: I pre-ordered yesterday, picking it up at the NokiaUSA store this evening
May 22 16:04:26 <Navi> I was semi-excited
May 22 16:04:34 <Navi> owning an N800 sounded like work
May 22 16:04:40 <anidel> I was really excited.. didn't work that day
May 22 16:04:43 <KotCzarny> summatusmentis: there will be bombing
May 22 16:04:50 <KotCzarny> and you won't get your nokia
May 22 16:04:50 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 16:04:54 <summatusmentis> I'm excited, because it'll be usable, as compared to Angstrom on my Z >_>
May 22 16:04:59 <qwerty12> KotCzarny. Always the optimist.
May 22 16:05:00 <summatusmentis> KotCzarny: got I hope not
May 22 16:05:06 <summatusmentis> s/got/god/
May 22 16:05:06 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: KotCzarny: god I hope not
May 22 16:05:26 <anidel> summa: why tonight ?
May 22 16:06:16 <Navi> anidel, you can hit tab to tab complete a name
May 22 16:06:22 <Veggen> Navi: work should be fun ;)
May 22 16:06:28 <Navi> Veggen, lies!
May 22 16:06:34 <anidel> Navi, oh.. cool :P
May 22 16:06:38 <Veggen> at least part of the time.
May 22 16:06:43 <summatusmentis> anidel: I'm at an OpenAFS conference, and after the conference thing today, a bunch of people are going to a pool hall thing, and I'll be right there
May 22 16:06:44 <anidel> that's why the 'comma':D
May 22 16:06:46 <Navi> Only part.
May 22 16:07:00 <anidel> summatusmentis, conference = fun :)
May 22 16:07:21 <summatusmentis> meh, I'm a summer of code student for OpenAFS, I don't understand most of what they're talking about
May 22 16:07:29 <anidel> Veggen, it's fun when you find the right job
May 22 16:07:35 <Navi> Veggen, ironically, if it were fun, I wouldn't be here and the N800 would be sitting in the corner collecting dust anyways :P
May 22 16:07:51 <Navi> fun all the time*
May 22 16:08:09 <anidel> summatusmentis, never used AFS.. :/
May 22 16:08:44 <Veggen> anidel: I have a job that's fun at least part of the time.
May 22 16:09:04 <Navi> I've only had jobs that were fun never.
May 22 16:09:04 <summatusmentis> anidel: it's just a distributed filesystem, I'd never heard of it until SoC. But I get to do kernel hacking, and Google is paying me :)
May 22 16:09:06 <anidel> Veggen, me too..
May 22 16:09:07 <Veggen> anidel: new year, I was gonna start for a small IP-telephoni-provider. open source-place.
May 22 16:09:21 <anidel> summatusmentis, I know what it is, but never had the possibility to test it out
May 22 16:09:29 <summatusmentis> yeah
May 22 16:09:40 <Veggen> anidel: three days before my last day at my work (where I still am), the new place went out of business. *ouch*
May 22 16:09:54 <Navi> heh
May 22 16:09:55 <anidel> Veggen, so you're forced there still
May 22 16:09:58 <summatusmentis> anidel: it's kinda cool, I guess. I don't have a lot of use for it, at least, not yet
May 22 16:10:09 <Veggen> anidel: yah, but I have recovered the fun part of it.
May 22 16:10:14 <Veggen> took a couple of months.
May 22 16:10:50 <anidel> summatusmentis, eheh.. I knew about it because I looked at it when designing TCFS years ago
May 22 16:10:56 <anidel> Veggen, ehehe good enough :)
May 22 16:11:05 <summatusmentis> anidel: TCFS?
May 22 16:11:26 <anidel> summatusmentis, an old fs we developed (Transparent Cryptographic FileSystem)
May 22 16:11:30 <Veggen> what I *do* like of it, is that it's a technologically heavy and diversed place. We're 12 people in the department that works with databases, LDAP/authorization, firewalls, some networking, some java application servers, Unix-stuff, web servers, you name it...
May 22 16:11:40 <summatusmentis> anidel: oh... interesting :)
May 22 16:11:56 <anidel> Veggen, so you should never be bored
May 22 16:12:01 <Veggen> anidel: exactly.
May 22 16:12:20 <anidel> summatusmentis, really. I even planned to port it to the tablet (it's encrypting NFS).. but never had time..
May 22 16:12:33 <anidel> Veggen, where ?
May 22 16:12:44 <summatusmentis> some guys here have OpenAFS proted to the tablet
May 22 16:13:10 <anidel> AFS is still actively developed.. we stopped TCFS years ago.. unfortunately
May 22 16:13:34 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Saw a package in app manager somewhere
May 22 16:13:34 <Veggen> anidel: Well. A somewhat large corporation called EDB.
May 22 16:13:38 <summatusmentis> mm. Yeah, AFS is kind of exciting.
May 22 16:13:47 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: yep, I met the guy who did that :)
May 22 16:13:53 <qwerty12> Cool :)
May 22 16:13:54 <anidel> Veggen, sorry I meant location:) US, UK, ...
May 22 16:14:03 <Veggen> Ah, in Norway.
May 22 16:14:06 <Veggen> (Bergen)
May 22 16:14:20 <anidel> Veggen, was just for the sake of curiosity..
May 22 16:14:51 <anidel> well gotta go now.. soccer match waiting for me :D :D can't wait to play .. talk to you later guys
May 22 16:15:05 <qwerty12> good luck
May 22 16:15:12 <anidel> thanks
May 22 16:36:01 <qwerty12> Oh, hi RST38x
May 22 16:36:29 <dieman> yay, new omweather
May 22 16:39:57 <qwerty12> compiling diablo apt takes longer than dpkg :/
May 22 16:40:50 <Navi> woo
May 22 16:43:13 <Navi> dneary, bleh
May 22 16:43:34 <dneary> Navi: I'm away now
May 22 16:43:36 <Navi> I hate midgard. You made a commit overriding my commit
May 22 16:43:40 <dneary> Was I blocking you?
May 22 16:43:44 <dneary> Gah
May 22 16:43:49 <dneary> I thought that wasn't possible?
May 22 16:43:54 <Navi> no, you just removed the 12 lines I added
May 22 16:43:59 <Navi> I think >_>
May 22 16:44:04 <dneary> Do you have time to merge them?
May 22 16:44:07 <dneary> I have to go
May 22 16:44:09 <Navi> Of course
May 22 16:44:12 <Navi> Bye
May 22 16:44:17 <dneary> OK, thanks!
May 22 16:44:53 <dieman> http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/jalopnik/full/~3/295901741/2011-chevy-volt-to-be-priced-under-30000
May 22 16:44:57 <dieman> ack
May 22 16:44:57 <dieman> sorry
May 22 16:45:00 <dieman> wrong channel
May 22 16:45:06 <KotCzarny> it's over 9000!
May 22 16:45:08 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 16:51:57 * qwerty12 can't remember how I removed legal message from chinook app manager :(
May 22 16:52:01 <qwerty12> Hi RST38h
May 22 17:06:19 <chx> is http://www.compuplus.com/i-Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-PC-02703R1-1011068~.html?sid=hm755qz0pptgg41 this a good price?
May 22 17:07:17 <Navi> What's the price?
May 22 17:07:32 <KotCzarny> 370
May 22 17:07:37 <chx> yeah
May 22 17:07:48 <chx> it begins to look like a price i am willing to shell out :)
May 22 17:07:51 <KotCzarny> +shipping
May 22 17:08:35 <KotCzarny> (15$)
May 22 17:09:06 <Navi> Live in the US?
May 22 17:09:17 * KotCzarny does
May 22 17:09:32 <qwerty12> Poor guys.
May 22 17:09:48 <KotCzarny> qwerty: define 'poor'
May 22 17:09:49 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:09:59 <qwerty12> As in unlucky :P :)
May 22 17:10:03 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:10:12 <chx> I don't live in the USA
May 22 17:10:13 <KotCzarny> why unlucky
May 22 17:10:17 <chx> but why would that be a problem.
May 22 17:10:24 <KotCzarny> i can move to eu any day
May 22 17:10:33 <KotCzarny> chx: shipping? :)
May 22 17:10:44 <KotCzarny> taxes?
May 22 17:10:51 <KotCzarny> customs?
May 22 17:11:10 <Stskeeps> i got 0% customs, except for VAT when importing my n800 from the US, atleast
May 22 17:11:14 <khertan> Hi !
May 22 17:11:18 <Stskeeps> (in .dk)
May 22 17:11:35 <Navi> hi khertan
May 22 17:11:36 <KotCzarny> vat is customs
May 22 17:11:37 <KotCzarny> :>
May 22 17:11:45 <KotCzarny> imo
May 22 17:12:21 <qwerty12> Is it me or is ITT down?
May 22 17:12:27 <Navi> It's you
May 22 17:12:30 <KotCzarny> darius killed it
May 22 17:12:34 <KotCzarny> itt
May 22 17:12:35 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:12:36 <qwerty12> lol
May 22 17:12:36 <chx> KotCzarny: hm. hm. uspack.eu handles shipping, that's no problems. taxes and customs, yeah i will pay a little but ... the n800 is double that here.
May 22 17:12:37 <khertan> pdflush bug again ...
May 22 17:12:37 <khertan> arg
May 22 17:12:44 <khertan> so ... reflash ...
May 22 17:12:51 <KotCzarny> chx: unlucky :>
May 22 17:12:58 <KotCzarny> chx: order from .fi ?
May 22 17:12:59 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:13:10 <chx> still very expensive, isn't it.
May 22 17:13:14 <chx> how much it is in .fi?
May 22 17:13:19 <KotCzarny> don't know
May 22 17:13:25 <KotCzarny> but it's in .eu i think
May 22 17:13:41 <qwerty12> Yeah, part of EU and uses Euro
May 22 17:13:46 * qwerty12 doesn't like Euro
May 22 17:13:58 <khertan> doesn't like too
May 22 17:14:04 <KotCzarny> pf
May 22 17:14:07 <GeneralAntilles> Don't think so, khertan.
May 22 17:14:07 <qwerty12> I'm glad we still have Pound :)
May 22 17:14:17 <KotCzarny> all your countries are belong to nwo
May 22 17:14:57 <KotCzarny> qwerty12: yeah, and no privacy
May 22 17:14:58 <KotCzarny> :>
May 22 17:15:31 <qwerty12> Meh, Bush administration are world leaders in privacy.
May 22 17:15:49 <KotCzarny> arm in arm with .gb
May 22 17:15:50 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:16:08 * KotCzarny hates globalization
May 22 17:16:38 <term-sig> KotCzarny: bollocks.. then why u buy n800?
May 22 17:16:49 <KotCzarny> term-sig: because it was cheap
May 22 17:16:49 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:17:56 * qwerty12 loves it in g33k language that they use std as standard...
May 22 17:19:20 <KotCzarny> 57D
May 22 17:19:28 <qwerty12> BIG
May 22 17:19:33 <simboss_> guys anyone here ever used swig directly on the n800?
May 22 17:19:43 <KotCzarny> what's swig?
May 22 17:19:52 <simboss_> SWIG
May 22 17:19:57 <qwerty12> A drink?
May 22 17:20:02 <simboss_> tool to write wrappers around c++ code
May 22 17:20:04 <simboss_> for python
May 22 17:20:06 <simboss_> java etc....
May 22 17:23:32 <KotCzarny> happy hardcore ftw!
May 22 17:24:08 <qwerty12> ocaml not ftw. stuff's takin ages to compile
May 22 17:24:47 <KotCzarny> what are you compiling? amule?
May 22 17:24:48 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:25:01 <qwerty12> v.close, mldonkey
May 22 17:25:08 <KotCzarny> ah, yes
May 22 17:25:14 <KotCzarny> i was thinking about mldonkey
May 22 17:25:15 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:25:39 <KotCzarny> but since i tried amule i'm not going back
May 22 17:25:39 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:25:46 <qwerty12> My general rule is, if something takes ages to compile, odds are that it's gonna crap out on you.
May 22 17:25:54 <qwerty12> I'll look into amule later :)
May 22 17:26:01 <KotCzarny> needs wxwidgets
May 22 17:26:04 <KotCzarny> :)
May 22 17:26:23 <qwerty12> I have that installed from messing with truecrypt iirc
May 22 17:26:27 <KotCzarny> and it has a crazy deps (on debian)
May 22 17:27:41 <KotCzarny>  |> Studio 33 - Depeche Mode In The Mix
May 22 17:28:17 <qwerty12> |> Ludacris - Act A Fool :/
May 22 18:05:48 <ravious> anyone know if its possible to auto mount a sshfs share from the fstab? or perhaps on network start?
May 22 18:22:24 * Jaffa train connects to test Virgin's "enhanced mobile phone coverage on this train"
May 22 18:23:02 <keesj> who is this Darius
May 22 18:24:10 <Jaffa> keesj: a trolling fool, IMHO
May 22 18:25:41 <qwerty12_N800> Sounds  like a joker, anyone got any of his highlights?
May 22 18:27:23 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: How about when he suggested maemo was an mS conspiracy because Reggie used a hotmail or MSN account in the ITT registration.
May 22 18:27:34 <keesj> Also I don't really get this google group thing , the page looks like sh*t
May 22 18:27:45 <Jaffa> s/mS/Microsoft/
May 22 18:27:46 <infobot> Jaffa meant: qwerty12_N800: How about when he suggested maemo was an Microsoft conspiracy because Reggie used a hotmail or MSN account in the ITT registration.
May 22 18:27:58 <qwerty12_N800> i had to lol :/
May 22 18:27:58 <RST38h> Jaffa: Who was that?
May 22 18:28:08 <RST38h> the meanwhile guy?
May 22 18:28:33 <Jaffa> RST38h: Darius Jack or somesuch
May 22 18:28:58 <keesj> bad karma[tm]
May 22 18:29:24 <RST38h> Jaffa: Next time, direct him here: http://www.flexyx.com/A/Aminazin.html
May 22 18:31:11 <Jaffa> heh
May 22 18:31:39 * lcuk yawns and stretches
May 22 18:32:40 <roope> Yeah, Darius is a classic. :)
May 22 18:33:34 <RST38h> btw, is the meanwhile guy still kicking?
May 22 18:34:12 <Yjo> any one in the UK here?
May 22 18:34:15 <qwerty12_N800> Darius was funny, meanwhile was annoyingly stupid.
May 22 18:34:23 <qwerty12_N800> I am :/
May 22 18:34:31 <Jaffa> Not seen him recently
May 22 18:34:39 * Jaffa UK too
May 22 18:34:56 <Yjo> I'm looking to ask a cheeky offtopic about which mobile provider to go with to use as a modem for my N800...
May 22 18:35:12 <Jaffa> Currently speeding through - err - Northamptonshire on the West Coast Mainline
May 22 18:35:41 <Yjo> i dont want to pay £++ for kB--. any ideas?
May 22 18:35:51 <roope> it's a bit sad that there is generally a strong correlation between some person being especially passionate about something and the same person being really wrong about it.
May 22 18:36:07 <Jaffa> Yjo: if you want lots of data, 3 have good deals. As does T-Mobile
May 22 18:36:35 * Jaffa very *very* strongly agrees with roope
May 22 18:37:02 <Yjo> Jaffa: do they let you use it through DUN/bluetooth? I know some providers distringuish phone browsing and external data, if they even allow the latter
May 22 18:38:17 <Jaffa> Yjo: they both do AIUI. I'm on Vodafone at the moment, wouldn't *not* recommend them, but wouldn't recommend them either
May 22 18:39:33 <Yjo> Jaffa: ok, thanks. Am with 3 atm, but amn't much impressed
May 22 18:39:57 <Jaffa> Ah, fair enuf
May 22 18:44:12 <fadec> does anyone know the earliest version of maemo to support GtkBuilder? It's undefined in the gtk+2.0 2:2.6.10-1.osso23 version of libgtk2.0-0 that's on Gregale.
May 22 18:44:37 <fadec> And it's there on chinook
May 22 18:45:20 <fadec> i guess it would be the earlies to support 2.12 of gtk
May 22 18:57:06 <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know what software is needed to make camera flip and startup internet call on camera pop out work on an n800
May 22 19:07:45 <EruditeHermit> and is it possible to damage the camera so that it doesn't detect the pop out or rotate
May 22 19:10:41 <corevette> i want to install maemo 2007 HE...which image do i pick....1st, 2nd, 3rd or latest image?
May 22 19:11:31 <qwerty12_N800> This is pure guess but my logic says the latest.
May 22 19:12:22 <solmumaha> unless latest means 2008he
May 22 19:12:45 <qwerty12_N800> Fair enough
May 22 19:12:58 <corevette> should i use 2008 hacked edition?
May 22 19:13:21 <solmumaha> i recommend latest 2007he
May 22 19:13:38 <corevette> so latest 2007 he or 2006? is 2006 more stable?
May 22 19:13:58 <EruditeHermit> 2007
May 22 19:14:11 <corevette> is it more stable EruditeHermit ?
May 22 19:14:51 <EruditeHermit> I haven't used either but 2007 is supposed to be an improvement and it was also tested for a long time unlike 2008HE
May 22 19:14:56 <summatusmentis> what is hacked edition? what does that entail?
May 22 19:15:16 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: you did the KDE thing, right?
May 22 19:15:20 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, It's dodgy rlses for 770 :p
May 22 19:15:34 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: oh, only for 770? ok
May 22 19:15:38 <penguinbait> nice eh!
May 22 19:15:54 <summatusmentis> what's nice?
May 22 19:16:16 <penguinbait> KDE
May 22 19:16:24 <qwerty12_N800> As soon as i get round to repartitioning my cards, i must install kde off mmc :)
May 22 19:16:35 <summatusmentis> oh, I haven't used it, I'm getting my N810 tonight
May 22 19:16:41 <summatusmentis> but I was wondering how usable it is
May 22 19:17:00 <penguinbait> http://penguinbait.com/zelda.png
May 22 19:17:10 <penguinbait> i am using it right now
May 22 19:17:24 <penguinbait> 810 much better than 800
May 22 19:17:36 <penguinbait> but it works good to
May 22 19:17:37 <NullM0dem> nice
May 22 19:17:48 <NullM0dem> looks good penguinbait
May 22 19:18:09 <penguinbait> just put out new version last night
May 22 19:18:19 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: how slow is it?
May 22 19:18:26 <NullM0dem> I love my n810, make sure you reformat the internal card.
May 22 19:19:18 <penguinbait> it has a slightly long load time but once up works grezt
May 22 19:19:24 <summatusmentis> hmm
May 22 19:19:33 <summatusmentis> I'm looking for a working office suite
May 22 19:19:39 <summatusmentis> I'm ok to let it load for a while
May 22 19:19:50 <penguinbait> 7-10 seconds to start konqueror
May 22 19:19:55 <qwerty12_N800> lifeguard would reboot my n800 sometimes in kde :/
May 22 19:20:06 <NullM0dem> penguinbait: how much of a hit does battery life take switching away from maemo?
May 22 19:20:10 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: but it's full konq?
May 22 19:20:17 <qwerty12_N800> s/lifeguard/watchdog
May 22 19:20:20 <summatusmentis> intriguing
May 22 19:20:31 <penguinbait> full kde with koffice and cups
May 22 19:20:34 <penguinbait> hahaha
May 22 19:20:51 <penguinbait> its a freaking litttle linux box
May 22 19:21:08 * NullM0dem <3 n810
May 22 19:21:09 <summatusmentis> koffice doesn't support MS formats :-/
May 22 19:21:53 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: what version of KDE is it?
May 22 19:22:00 <penguinbait> 3.5.8
May 22 19:22:22 <penguinbait> qt I think 3.3.8
May 22 19:22:42 <summatusmentis> oh, any plans to go to 4?
May 22 19:23:15 <penguinbait> no time soon
May 22 19:23:21 <summatusmentis> mm
May 22 19:23:33 <penguinbait> lets see what nokia does
May 22 19:23:49 <summatusmentis> oh, they just bought trolltech, that's right
May 22 19:24:15 <summatusmentis> I keep forgetting the N810 has 2GB internal
May 22 19:26:09 <RST38h> kde must be dead slow on n810
May 22 19:26:21 <qwerty12_N800> It's not bad
May 22 19:26:41 <qwerty12_N800> Not brilliant either though but i wasn't booting from sd
May 22 19:26:59 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20317
May 22 19:27:14 <penguinbait> if you want to install
May 22 19:28:50 <starkmjolk> I got my 8GB mini-SD today, now just waiting for the n810 to arrive too :)
May 22 19:29:00 * qwerty12_N800 really needs to figure out how to add lcuk's cpufreq mod to acmonitor
May 22 19:29:44 <NullM0dem> starkmjolk: what miniSD did you buy?
May 22 19:29:57 <NullM0dem> im about to look for one myself
May 22 19:30:36 <penguinbait> I am heard the 16gb microsdhc due out in june
May 22 19:30:44 <NullM0dem> yes!
May 22 19:30:47 <summatusmentis> newegg only has the minisd cards up to 2gb
May 22 19:31:03 <NullM0dem> i htought i saw a patriot 8gb there last week :()
May 22 19:31:12 <starkmjolk> NullM0dem: ebay, OEM 8GB 150x card
May 22 19:31:14 <NullM0dem> one of the comments said it worked well on the n810
May 22 19:31:33 <summatusmentis> I might just go microsd, and then use the minisd adaptor
May 22 19:31:45 <penguinbait> I am stkcking with micro, so they will go into whatever hardware comes next
May 22 19:31:51 <starkmjolk> I had problem finding fast microsd cards
May 22 19:31:57 <penguinbait> hopefully
May 22 19:32:16 <summatusmentis> oh, I was just looking at the mini sd, not sdhc
May 22 19:33:12 <NullM0dem> I have always liked the idea of carrying thousands of book on my body <3
May 22 19:33:46 <summatusmentis> there are 4GB micro sdhc cards on newegg for < $20!
May 22 19:33:49 <NullM0dem> if you realistically coverd your self with sd cards filled with books, how much do you think you could carry on person?
May 22 19:34:06 <starkmjolk> I payed $34 + shipping for the 8GB
May 22 19:35:12 <starkmjolk> that came out here right? (:
May 22 19:35:26 <summatusmentis> all the 8GB ones are > $50
May 22 19:36:00 <starkmjolk> 4GB is equivalent price to about $80 here in sweden, 8GB doesn't even exist :)
May 22 19:36:37 <summatusmentis> really?
May 22 19:36:55 <starkmjolk> yes
May 22 19:37:36 <starkmjolk> 25% VAT + normal higher euro price + very weak USD
May 22 19:37:53 <summatusmentis> why are the euro prices higher?
May 22 19:37:53 <starkmjolk> = makes a very good case for personal imports :)
May 22 19:38:05 <lopz> hi ;)
May 22 19:38:15 <starkmjolk> because all corporations around the world hates euroland? I don't know really, just always are
May 22 19:38:28 <summatusmentis> weird
May 22 19:38:30 <summatusmentis> hi lopz
May 22 19:38:38 <starkmjolk> hi :)
May 22 19:38:43 <lopz>  ;[
May 22 19:38:49 <NullM0dem> how does one change thier text color in xchat
May 22 19:39:13 <qwerty12_N800> from the grey? no idea :/
May 22 19:39:22 <summatusmentis> hold on, I used to know
May 22 19:39:35 <NullM0dem> i opened the window at my desk and cannot see what i write
May 22 19:39:41 <starkmjolk> am I the only one in here not on an internet tablet btw? :)
May 22 19:39:53 <summatusmentis> preferences -> colors?
May 22 19:40:00 <summatusmentis> starkmjolk: no, I'm on my macbook
May 22 19:40:09 <qwerty12_N800> starkmjolk, Probably not ;) :p
May 22 19:40:14 <starkmjolk> k. :)
May 22 19:41:45 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, what do you mean add it?  i've been using it now for a couple of weeks, and its not quite perfect
May 22 19:42:35 <lcuk> there is something missing, and i think i am going to need to make myself a proper full addin with ui to configure and set it up
May 22 19:42:56 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, I'm a noob, i shoved the code into the acmonitor.c and compiled it and nothing happened. i don't blame your code.
May 22 19:43:10 <lcuk> lol ahhh..
May 22 19:44:07 <lcuk> even if you got it running, the modification i made was designed to do absolutely zero unless i manually configured it
May 22 19:44:15 <qwerty12_N800> i'm probably gonna try making it use a gconf value, be easier on me
May 22 19:44:17 <qwerty12_N800> ah
May 22 19:45:08 <lcuk> but now i have been using it its still lacking.  i need to learn about proper hardware events - there is no point in running at performance speed even if charging if the device itself is locked
May 22 19:45:14 <RST38h> X-FadeL Still here?
May 22 19:45:33 <RST38h> X-Fade: Just tried updating SSH key and then dput - it still fails
May 22 19:45:45 <qwerty12_N800> kaput
May 22 19:46:04 <qwerty12_N800> sorry, couldn't resist
May 22 19:46:14 <RST38h> yep
May 22 19:46:32 <RST38h> One thing I know for sure is that I am NEVER changing that key again
May 22 19:46:36 <RST38h> Security or not.
May 22 19:47:16 <qwerty12_N800> heh. anyone know if you can make mce run a program on shutdown?
May 22 20:01:15 <LoCusF> anyone else getting "Failed to write hash table" while installing the latest statusbarclock?
May 22 20:01:39 <qwerty12_N800> Large or normal?
May 22 20:01:49 <LoCusF> large
May 22 20:02:12 <qwerty12_N800> Ah, haven't tried it yet
May 22 20:02:46 <LoCusF> ah, I had too little disk space
May 22 20:04:11 <AmirZod> folks, hello
May 22 20:04:51 <AmirZod> I'm been trying to find out if the normal PIM can be done and how on N810 before considering purchasing
May 22 20:05:15 <AmirZod> calendaring, addressbook, notes and email
May 22 20:05:35 <AmirZod> can it be synced (how) with a desktop linux (what application)
May 22 20:06:07 <starkmjolk> good question :) mine is ordered and will arrive within a few days I hope :)
May 22 20:06:18 <starkmjolk> clawsmail should take care of the email part just fine
May 22 20:06:35 <starkmjolk> as for the rest, I don't know yet. I'll find out as time goes. :)
May 22 20:06:43 <qwerty12_N800> or modest (default in diablo)
May 22 20:06:55 <starkmjolk> ah, right.
May 22 20:07:19 <AmirZod> starkmjolk - where would you post your findings?
May 22 20:08:03 <starkmjolk> as planned, nowhere :(
May 22 20:08:06 <qwerty12_N800> Claws is more powerful but Modest is much more suited to the tablet.
May 22 20:08:30 <AmirZod> :-(
May 22 20:08:32 <starkmjolk> and I'm basically full scheduled till 9th of june so no strong efforts before then I'm affraid
May 22 20:09:02 <AmirZod> I just don't want to go back to Palm TX, if I have another choice
May 22 20:09:15 <AmirZod> as a PIM
May 22 20:09:22 <AmirZod> and other niceties
May 22 20:09:45 <starkmjolk> qwerty12_N800: does either have a decent address book? somewhat like evolution under gnome?
May 22 20:10:30 <qwerty12_N800> Not sure, never used claws personally but i'll check modest
May 22 20:11:00 <starkmjolk> ah, thanks :)
May 22 20:11:30 <starkmjolk> my n810 was sent from china monday so should be here early next week, I'll find out for sure then anyway :P
May 22 20:11:40 <starkmjolk> just curious :)
May 22 20:12:01 <qwerty12_N800> Well diablo's modest opens the built in address  book which sucks :p
May 22 20:12:13 <AmirZod> where to get reasonable prices on N810?
May 22 20:12:18 <qwerty12_N800> There is gpe with google syncing
May 22 20:13:28 <starkmjolk> gpe as the one in familiar linux?
May 22 20:13:44 <summatusmentis> yep
May 22 20:13:58 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: I assume you mean gpe-calendar
May 22 20:14:19 <qwerty12_N800> yes, graham cobb packages
May 22 20:14:28 <starkmjolk> has that been updated since 1993? :P
May 22 20:14:44 <summatusmentis> does it matter if it works?
May 22 20:14:52 <summatusmentis> I think GPE still has upstream and stuff
May 22 20:15:24 <starkmjolk> not really for the calendar part, but I just remember the frustration with my iPAQ a few years ago. of course most of the faults where to blame on HP though :)
May 22 20:15:49 <summatusmentis> using GPE as an env is annoying...
May 22 20:23:50 <RST38h> IT WORKED IT WORKED
May 22 20:25:40 <Cptnodegard> viagra?
May 22 20:25:42 * Cptnodegard runs
May 22 20:25:50 <starkmjolk> ;)
May 22 20:26:35 <qwerty12_N800> lmao
May 22 20:31:09 <RST38h> Cptn: dput
May 22 20:31:45 <Cptnodegard> is that an insult or what was really working?
May 22 20:31:50 <Cptnodegard> :D
May 22 20:32:41 <huats> Hi guys
May 22 20:33:01 <qwerty12_N800> I still like viagra idea better. I need to go to Canada to viagra falls :p
May 22 20:33:10 <qwerty12_N800> *to see
May 22 20:33:24 <Cptnodegard> dick -vv
May 22 20:33:39 <huats> Does anyone of you know if there is a new place for the like the gronmayer page for repositories since this one seems broken ?
May 22 20:33:49 <qwerty12_N800> <============================
May 22 20:34:27 <qwerty12_N800> huats, no :( but you see google cache
May 22 20:34:36 <qwerty12_N800> you can see*
May 22 20:34:43 <huats> broken too... qwerty12_N800
May 22 20:34:45 <huats> :
May 22 20:34:46 <huats> (
May 22 20:35:01 <huats> I mean the page is alse broken on the cache
May 22 20:35:15 <qwerty12_N800> Hmm, i found working one few days ago but forgot how :(
May 22 20:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> Any package in particular?
May 22 20:35:27 <huats> :(
May 22 20:35:35 <huats> not really
May 22 20:35:45 <huats> I just broke my scratchbox
May 22 20:36:03 <huats> and I want to put it in with a fews stuffs more than the one I have
May 22 20:36:04 <huats> ..
May 22 20:36:12 <huats> can you pastebin your ?
May 22 20:36:24 * qwerty12_N800 is on 15th install
May 22 20:36:25 <RST38h> Heh, that has been N810 finally making wifi connection
May 22 20:36:37 <qwerty12_N800> don't really have any repos :/
May 22 20:36:39 <huats> :)
May 22 20:36:52 <huats> ok
May 22 20:36:52 <RST38h> qwerty: still installing sb?
May 22 20:37:11 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, no
May 22 20:37:33 <huats> I need the repo that gives python2.5
May 22 20:37:35 <huats> at least
May 22 20:37:37 <huats> ...
May 22 20:37:48 <qwerty12_N800> I need to figure out how to get 2008 toolchain to work though
May 22 20:37:57 <qwerty12_N800> huats, search pymaemo
May 22 20:38:06 <qwerty12_N800> it's in extras
May 22 20:38:20 <penguinbait> sweet kopete is using flite and reading everything that is typed
May 22 20:40:07 <huats> qwerty12_N800: thx
May 22 20:41:01 <qwerty12_N800> seeing as i'm stealing lcuk's ideas, i'll make the cpufreq run in powersave when booting from charger at initfs time
May 22 20:55:20 <huats> qwerty12_N800: is it just me who cannot update my available packages ?
May 22 20:55:38 <huats> apparently garage.maemo.org is not respondig to apt-get update ?
May 22 20:55:49 <qwerty12_N800> garage isn't a repo
May 22 20:57:04 <huats> qwerty12_N800: sorry
May 22 20:57:14 <huats> I was meaning : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
May 22 20:57:44 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, i'll try updating my repos on my n800
May 22 20:58:10 <huats> ok
May 22 20:58:12 <huats> thanks
May 22 20:58:18 <Blastur> hehe,.. ive just spent the last 1½ hour outside trying to get fix with the n810 gps
May 22 20:58:22 <Blastur> it's _impossible_
May 22 20:58:35 <Cptnodegard> lmao
May 22 20:58:38 <Cptnodegard> get a BT one
May 22 20:58:41 <Blastur> at one point i was at 75% fix (maemo mapper)
May 22 20:58:45 <Cptnodegard> i normally get a fix withint 10-20 sec
May 22 20:58:48 <Blastur> but then it started moving backwards ;)
May 22 20:59:01 <Cptnodegard> lol!
May 22 20:59:04 <Blastur> well, i would rather return the entire unit
May 22 20:59:09 <starkmjolk> anyone know what GPS chipset is on the n810?
May 22 20:59:12 <Blastur> something is seriously broken
May 22 20:59:13 <Cptnodegard> get a n800
May 22 20:59:39 <Cptnodegard> the gps is fine when its a real one and not the integrated shit. only heard bad things about it
May 22 21:00:58 <starkmjolk> in theory there shouldn't have to be a difference, the integrated uses the same tech as the one -integrated- into the BT unit
May 22 21:01:42 <qwerty12_N800> huats, I would update if my cpu wasn't  100% and not doing anything :/
May 22 21:02:23 <Blastur> perhaps the gps antenna is disturbed by the electronics? maybe bad pcb layout etc
May 22 21:02:30 <Blastur> it has happened before to products..
May 22 21:03:02 <starkmjolk> hm, possible...
May 22 21:03:12 <huats> qwerty12_N800: :(
May 22 21:03:18 <huats> just let me know :)
May 22 21:03:29 <starkmjolk> I'll be getting a n810 in a few days, I hoped the gps would work decently. would be sweet on the bike ;)
May 22 21:03:43 <starkmjolk> (cba getting a car :P)
May 22 21:03:57 <qwerty12_N800> i've read on here that chipset is shittest from ti range and it's meant to be used with agps. agps is being tested @ nokia
May 22 21:04:31 <blafasel> qwerty12_N800: What means "is being tested"? Is it possible that we might get to use it?
May 22 21:05:22 <qwerty12_N800> it's an internal atm. the diablo gpsdriver has support for agps. i guess we will see in final diablo.
May 22 21:05:22 <starkmjolk> I haven't read up on agps but doesn't it use mobile antenna triangulation too?
May 22 21:05:38 <Blastur> when will diablo release then?
May 22 21:05:38 <qwerty12_N800> You connect phone via bluetooth
May 22 21:05:51 <blafasel> qwerty12_N800: Did anyone from here test it with the leaked diablo?
May 22 21:05:55 <starkmjolk> ah, clever :)
May 22 21:05:55 <qwerty12_N800> i dunno, i'm running beta
May 22 21:06:08 <qwerty12_N800> blafasel, the agps app isn't leaked
May 22 21:06:12 <Blastur> what is AGPS?
May 22 21:06:21 <Blastur> doesn't that require internet connectivity?
May 22 21:08:42 <huats> qwerty12_N800: still not being able to update ?
May 22 21:09:17 <qwerty12_N800> not really trying, i have some downloads running and don't want to mess them up
May 22 21:10:12 <summatusmentis> agps == assisted gps
May 22 21:10:19 <summatusmentis> a lot of cell networks use it
May 22 21:10:24 <huats> ok
May 22 21:10:43 <Blastur> you mean gps data is transmitted over gsm net?
May 22 21:10:52 <Blastur> which the n810 can pickup to get faster fix?
May 22 21:10:54 <qwerty12_N800> ok, my repos updated fine
May 22 21:10:55 <huats> does anybody with extras repos enabled can try an apt-get update
May 22 21:11:02 <huats> qwerty12_N800: ok
May 22 21:11:16 <summatusmentis> Blastur: no, I think what it does is triangulates based on promximity to cell toweres
May 22 21:11:19 <summatusmentis> -e
May 22 21:11:20 <huats> qwerty12_N800: can you pastebin me your sources.list then ?
May 22 21:12:10 <qwerty12_N800> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free
May 22 21:12:16 <qwerty12_N800> that's extras line
May 22 21:12:25 <qwerty12_N800> the rest is diablo stuff
May 22 21:12:31 <huats> sq
May 22 21:12:35 <huats> qwerty12_N800: ok
May 22 21:12:40 <huats> that is mine...
May 22 21:12:41 <huats> weird
May 22 21:24:14 <fireun> every time I try to copy files to my nokia, over usb from a linux box, it hangs at the end, and wont let go.
May 22 21:24:36 <fireun> you cant kill the copy process, you cant unmount it, if you use nautilus it freezes up and you have to nuke it
May 22 21:24:51 <fireun> even doing it in a term window, with cp, you cant ctrl-c it, or kill it
May 22 21:24:54 <fireun> CRAZY!
May 22 21:24:57 <fireun> whats going on?
May 22 21:25:35 <Knirch> probably actually transfering the file
May 22 21:25:54 <fireun> but I can access the file and its all there
May 22 21:26:03 <Knirch> odd, check dmesg
May 22 21:26:08 <fireun> nothing
May 22 21:30:55 <fireun> how long should 100MB take to transfer over?
May 22 21:31:14 <fireun> maybe yer right, maybe its backgrounded the copy flush/sync
May 22 21:31:50 <fireun> its just frustrating that I cant ctrl-C a cp process
May 22 21:36:56 <fireun> I'm sure my trouble is from the fact that I have a 770, and not an 810
May 22 21:37:12 <blackdeath> i have a 810
May 22 21:37:14 <fireun> because the 770 was relegated to the scrap heap as soon as nokia sold the 800
May 22 21:37:37 <blackdeath> whats wrong with it
May 22 21:37:37 <fireun> can I send in my two 770s in trade for an 810(w/wimax) ?
May 22 21:37:42 <fireun> unstable
May 22 21:37:53 <blackdeath> what do you meqn?
May 22 21:38:02 <fireun> cant stream music for long before the music player freaks
May 22 21:38:07 <Blastur> why would it become unstable because of new product releases?
May 22 21:38:08 <fireun> and I have to reboot
May 22 21:38:22 <fireun> Blastur: it was never really stable to begin with
May 22 21:38:34 <blackdeath> true
May 22 21:38:50 <blackdeath> did u mese with it
May 22 21:39:12 <Blastur> fireun: hehe ok :)
May 22 21:39:23 <Blastur> whats this wimax anyway? seems like no-one uses it here
May 22 21:39:30 <blackdeath> ehh
May 22 21:39:39 <fireun> Blastur: its new still
May 22 21:39:48 <blackdeath> i only see good use if your in a city
May 22 21:40:05 <Blastur> does it work with standard wifi aps?
May 22 21:40:12 <blackdeath> yeah
May 22 21:40:24 <Blastur> oh, really? hm
May 22 21:40:28 <Blastur> whats different with it?
May 22 21:40:29 <blackdeath> its just wifi for big area's
May 22 21:40:42 <Blastur> just more power to transmitter?
May 22 21:40:47 <blackdeath> and theres most likely money in volved
May 22 21:41:03 <Blastur> completely compatible with 802.11a/b/g ?
May 22 21:41:06 <blackdeath> to pay for the fee of wimax
May 22 21:41:07 <blackdeath> yeah
May 22 21:41:17 <blackdeath> i have the 810 with out
May 22 21:41:23 <fireun> nokia is going wimax because they cut a deal with Sprint's new network
May 22 21:41:27 <fireun> which uses wimax
May 22 21:41:34 <Blastur> i got the n810 with wifi too
May 22 21:41:34 <blackdeath> yup
May 22 21:41:36 <fireun> voip of the future
May 22 21:41:52 <fireun> your battery will likely be happier without the extra wimax
May 22 21:42:02 <fireun> still waiting for this copy to finish
May 22 21:42:05 <blackdeath> yes
May 22 21:42:06 <fireun> seriously, shouldnt take this long
May 22 21:42:21 <blackdeath> no i wish there was a extented batteray
May 22 21:42:21 <fireun> I bet it would work fine from windows, or macos
May 22 21:42:22 <Blastur> fireun: over USB, i can copy like 1 gb in a few minutes
May 22 21:42:27 <Blastur> ( to my n810 )
May 22 21:42:35 <fireun> Blastur: exactly, why is my 770 just hanging
May 22 21:42:41 <fireun> because its not supported
May 22 21:42:46 <fireun> and no one wants to fix it
May 22 21:42:57 <fireun> gar. I bought a linux device for I thought, a good reason.
May 22 21:43:02 <blackdeath> there might be a solution
May 22 21:43:09 <blackdeath> what os 2008?
May 22 21:43:21 <Blastur> you mean nokia doesn't want to fix it? isn't all kernel hw modules propriatery code in maemo?
May 22 21:43:35 <fireun> blackdeath: i've tried most all of them, I might be running the latest HE2007
May 22 21:43:46 <fireun> Blastur: thats why they dont want to fix it
May 22 21:43:51 <blackdeath> hmhm
May 22 21:43:56 <fireun> they dont open up thing to be fixed by those would would like to
May 22 21:44:05 <Blastur> it's a big difference between being able to fix it, and want to fix it :)
May 22 21:44:32 <fireun> its like my old compaq aero, ran the portable windows, but when they came out with the new windows-mobile or whatever, it was tossed.. nice color screen and everything, useless.
May 22 21:44:34 <fireun> junked.
May 22 21:44:46 <blackdeath> CE?
May 22 21:44:47 <fireun> I'm just saying, dont go half way
May 22 21:44:57 <fireun> blackdeath: it -was- CE
May 22 21:45:01 <fireun> for like a year
May 22 21:45:08 <blackdeath> i had a jornada with ce
May 22 21:45:16 <fireun> one OS version hardware sucks.
May 22 21:45:25 <blackdeath> yeah
May 22 21:45:39 <fireun> I dont want big upgrades, I just want the stability and standards followed.
May 22 21:45:41 <fireun> thats all.
May 22 21:45:50 <blackdeath> n810 isent perferct
May 22 21:45:58 <Blastur> n810 is far from perfect
May 22 21:46:02 <fireun> if it reboots randomly with heavy wifi, there seems to be a bug in the networking code, right?
May 22 21:46:11 <lcuk> it depends what you want to do with it
May 22 21:46:38 <fireun> if I cant browse local wifi nodes unless I cover the 770 with my body to shield it from the noisy neighborhood, theres a bug in the networking browser code, right?
May 22 21:47:04 <Blastur> fireun: why did you get 2 n770 if you are so unhappy with them? :)
May 22 21:47:09 <lcuk> i went on holiday and had something small and handy to code and develop on.  for me the end product IS the incomplete expandable base
May 22 21:47:10 <fireun> supposedly there is a conflict with 802.11n broadcasts, but.. meh.
May 22 21:47:18 <fireun> Blastur: thats not a good argument
May 22 21:47:19 <blackdeath> my cell + n810 = blackdeath's internet every where
May 22 21:47:35 <Blastur> i wasn't arguing, i was just curious
May 22 21:47:40 <blackdeath> i kn
May 22 21:47:48 <Blastur> my n810 also suffers from spontaneous reboots
May 22 21:47:51 <blackdeath> eh
May 22 21:47:54 <fireun> Blastur: then its a bad question (:
May 22 21:47:59 <blackdeath> mine dosent
May 22 21:48:02 <Blastur> not sure if its because of heavy wifi though
May 22 21:48:02 <fireun> Blastur: I find that wierd
May 22 21:48:10 <blackdeath> even with my kernal mods
May 22 21:48:12 <Blastur> and it has only happened once so far
May 22 21:48:23 <fireun> Blastur: should be fairly controlled, being a near embedded device
May 22 21:48:24 <Blastur> but the browser crashes quite often
May 22 21:48:51 <fireun> Blastur: look, I used to write code for embedded systems, I would have been fired repeatedly if my stuff was half as unstable as the 770
May 22 21:49:04 <fireun> Blastur: eh, I could deal with the browser crashing
May 22 21:49:16 <fireun> Blastur: you cant hope for it to handle every freaky website out there.
May 22 21:49:17 <Blastur> i know the feeling, i'm also an embedded developer ;-)
May 22 21:50:16 <blackdeath> <fireun> have you looked a zarus
May 22 21:50:18 <fireun> Blastur: I bought two because I found the second for 110$ and it spread out my initial purchase of 400$ over two devices - and why buy one, when you can buy two? I didnt want to become so attached to it that if it died, I'd have no recourse but to buy something really expensive
May 22 21:50:20 <Blastur> unfortunately, you cannot expect companies to perfect products before launch.. there is a tradeoff between stability and time-to-market
May 22 21:50:41 <fireun> but this isnt before launch anymorre
May 22 21:50:48 <fireun> this is 2 product releases later after the initial release
May 22 21:50:58 <lcuk> the current browser feels is a big fat desktop program crammed inside the box, from what I hear the improvements in diablo are quite substantial
May 22 21:51:02 <fireun> if they didnt share 90% of the code base, they werent doing it right
May 22 21:51:23 <Blastur> apparently not!
May 22 21:51:44 <fireun> anyhow, all I want to do is copy a file, and at the moment I find it impossible
May 22 21:51:48 <fireun> its still hung up
May 22 21:51:59 <Blastur> yeah.. do you get the same behaviour on both devices?
May 22 21:52:08 <fireun> havnt tried
May 22 21:52:18 <fireun> only one has the 2G card, the other has the stock 65MB
May 22 21:52:32 <Blastur> perhaps you should.. to rule out hardware failure,..
May 22 21:52:42 <fireun> yeh
May 22 21:52:43 <Blastur> and perhaps try it with a 2nd PC, could be linux issue on the other end
May 22 21:53:01 <fireun> you'd think linux-linux would be better supported than windows-linux
May 22 21:53:03 <fireun> oh well
May 22 21:53:09 <fireun> I know I'm just ranting, cant help it.
May 22 21:53:21 <fireun> everything sucks these days
May 22 21:53:23 <Blastur> i had very weird usb behaviour on linux a while back, where it could not handle the power savings on the controller applied
May 22 21:53:44 <Blastur> (it went to sleep)
May 22 21:53:48 <fireun> yeah well, power management in linux is a joke
May 22 21:53:53 <Blastur> which caused all kinds of freaky behaviour
May 22 21:54:06 <fireun> I have to manually control the cpuspeed to get a system that doesnt run the fan all the time
May 22 21:54:07 <Blastur> perhaps your controller is falling asleep during copy? :) that could maybe cause it to hang
May 22 21:54:56 <fireun> Blastur: I feel like a programmer again
May 22 21:55:01 <fireun> Blastur: having to debug everything (:
May 22 21:55:14 <Blastur> yeah, know the feeling.. i do it every freaking day at work :(
May 22 21:55:15 <fireun> I should be paid for my efforst
May 22 21:55:19 <Blastur> debugging embedded is a bitch
May 22 21:55:28 <fireun> its not that bad
May 22 21:55:31 <Blastur> printk ftw
May 22 21:55:40 <fireun> depends on your debug tools
May 22 21:55:52 <fireun> in system debugging is much better
May 22 21:55:56 <Blastur> well, we have mostly in-house stuff, since we have our own cpu arch
May 22 21:56:11 <Blastur> we cant use stuff like valgrind, kmemcheck or kdbg
May 22 21:56:28 <fireun> in-house cpu? ouch
May 22 21:56:42 <Blastur> fortunately, we are moving to a mips core in the next product.. *cheer*
May 22 21:56:57 <Blastur> now, bedtime! gnite .. gl with the debuggin'
May 22 21:57:00 <fireun> I was happy when we moved to -real- memory, not page flipping
May 22 21:57:14 <fireun> Blastur: cheers
May 22 21:59:03 <fireun> I need a job, anyone hiring? (:
May 22 22:01:06 <fireun> I'm a bit rusty, but come up to speed quick.
May 22 22:19:34 <ljp> i think both Nokia and Trolltech are hiring
May 22 22:24:21 <fireun> as is always the case, they only want to evaluate the ones that have the perfect resume of doing only what they want, and have multiple degrees. So unless I come up with a project that I write up to run on the maemo platform, I have no "in". (:
May 22 22:25:22 <fireun> rather than the attitude of, "if we give you a small tool to rewrite and you do that well, and we progressivly give you more responsibility and you always work out... yer hired!" (:
May 22 22:25:45 <fireun> google is remarkable in some ways
May 22 22:25:53 <fireun> but even they require the best of degrees.
May 22 22:26:02 <ljp> I guess you will never know unless you try
May 22 22:26:11 <fireun> as is anything in life
May 22 22:27:47 <rm_you> heh
May 22 22:27:49 <ljp> I know of several people, including developers at Trolltech that do not have degrees, but have plenty of experience
May 22 22:28:13 <rm_you> I wonder if I should apply after I graduate next year :P
May 22 22:28:40 <rm_you> they'd prolly be like... come back in 5 years :P
May 22 22:29:01 <ljp> jr developers are also needed, I believe
May 22 22:29:32 <fireun> wow, they use lotus notes
May 22 22:29:34 <fireun> crikey
May 22 22:31:10 <rm_you> you on an application page fireun?
May 22 22:31:21 <fireun> erm?
May 22 22:31:31 <rm_you> what are you looking at?
May 22 22:31:34 <fireun> got an error from an outdated page
May 22 22:32:34 <fireun> yeah, I have like 7 years experience as an embedded coder, but in the last half dozen I've done something else
May 22 22:33:09 <fireun> mostly R&D, but for this last job which was a big disappointment
May 22 22:33:26 <fireun> I thought it was more important to live where I wanted, than work at what I did best
May 22 22:33:46 <fireun> one of those life lessons, but it still makes my resume look sideways
May 22 22:34:54 <fireun> so far, the HR department is what kills me first, if my resume makes it to an engineer they usually go "oh wow, yeah, sure he can learn on the job... he clearly shows ability to do good work wherever he works - we should get him while we can!" (:
May 22 22:35:13 <rm_you> :)
May 22 22:35:16 <fireun> but the HR department sheep go "uh, wha? huh? oh, no degree - JUNK"
May 22 22:35:42 <rm_you> yeah, I would love to work on maemo, but if they put me somewhere in their phone development team, i would die
May 22 22:35:49 <fireun> right
May 22 22:36:00 <rm_you> it's hard, but i'm desperately trying to get a job in Open Source <_<
May 22 22:36:05 <rm_you> or at least something close
May 22 22:36:05 <fireun> R&D support seems to be my fit
May 22 22:36:22 <rm_you> and maemo is probably the closest I could get
May 22 22:36:33 <fireun> I've been out of work for a month and a half, I dont want to go hungry either, waiting for the right job
May 22 22:36:40 <rm_you> yeah :/
May 22 22:36:56 <blackdeath> has any one played with blueserial?
May 22 22:36:57 <fireun> and yet, put me in tech support and I'd die even quicker
May 22 22:37:06 <blackdeath> on any of the nokia's
May 22 22:37:12 <rm_you> heh yeah...
May 22 22:37:14 <rm_you> blueserial?
May 22 22:37:17 <blackdeath> yah
May 22 22:37:28 <blackdeath> i cant get t to work on the 810
May 22 22:37:37 <blackdeath> i found a part of 770
May 22 22:37:38 * rm_you googles it
May 22 22:37:41 <blackdeath> port
May 22 22:37:47 <blackdeath> yeah
May 22 22:37:52 <ljp> trolltech puts about equal weight on experience as degree
May 22 22:37:58 <fireun> rm_you: I like the job where the engineer/team says "heres this thing we've figured out the major parts, but it needs some solder, some glue code, and some debugging in a real world setting - here, break it if you can, fix it if you might - just make it better like we know you can"
May 22 22:38:09 <rm_you> heh
May 22 22:38:11 <blackdeath> rm_you:     i have a binary that dosnt work
May 22 22:38:26 <fireun> ljp: the trolltech libraries are so much cleaner than the gtk crap, but their cosmetic appeal sucks.
May 22 22:39:08 <fireun> seems like the difference between gtk "grown" and qt "engineered"
May 22 22:39:30 <rm_you> yeah QT always made me squirm...
May 22 22:39:38 <fireun> and I have no appreciable experience with qt - but really, its just libraries you have to learn the api for, mostly.
May 22 22:40:07 <fireun> copy and paste from some other project the first time, then tweak it, then eventually rewrite it the way you think it should be implemented, debug and clean.. done.
May 22 22:40:23 <rm_you> yeah
May 22 22:40:29 <rm_you> i've gotten decently good at that
May 22 22:40:43 <rm_you> just from fixing people's class projects <_<
May 22 22:40:56 <fireun> creating in a void is very, very difficult
May 22 22:41:02 <rm_you> yeah, but fun
May 22 22:41:03 <fireun> zero point energy
May 22 22:41:10 <fireun> sure, very rewarding
May 22 22:41:14 <rm_you> most of the projects I do start from complete scratch
May 22 22:41:16 <fireun> but again, wash rinse repeat
May 22 22:41:22 <rm_you> just wrote a CMS from scratch in 9 months
May 22 22:41:27 <starkmjolk> there is no emacs22 port for maemo right? :)
May 22 22:41:28 <rm_you> it was very fun
May 22 22:41:43 <fireun> rm_you: oh, well I've worked in a big company where it was more efficient to reuse existing code so as to keep total code size down
May 22 22:41:51 <rm_you> got to lead a small team for the project too :P
May 22 22:41:54 <ljp> fireun: Qt can look like gtk, if you like.
May 22 22:42:08 * fireun waves his hands, then goes to take a shower
May 22 22:42:12 <rm_you> heh
May 22 22:42:14 <rm_you> ttyl
May 22 22:42:20 * rm_you heads to dinner
May 22 22:42:43 * ljp gets back to work
May 22 22:43:53 * starkmjolk heads for bed
May 22 22:44:11 <rwhitby> starkmjolk: there should be - emacs22 runs on the Linksys nslu2
May 22 22:44:39 <rwhitby> (so it's not a resource problem if it's not compiled for maemo yet)
May 22 22:44:44 <starkmjolk> is nslu2 ARM?
May 22 22:44:56 <rwhitby> yeah, but not armel
May 22 22:45:11 <rwhitby> and definitely not maemo-compatible
May 22 22:45:19 <starkmjolk> I run it on a armel xscale, so it exists
May 22 22:45:38 <starkmjolk> thecus N2100 with debian armel runs it just fine
May 22 22:45:48 <rwhitby> should run fine on maemo then
May 22 22:46:00 <rwhitby> someone just needs to package it
May 22 22:46:41 <starkmjolk> we'll see if I get that much into it :) otherwise I'll run most stuff over SSH so no problem then
May 22 22:48:28 <starkmjolk> ah, google first. :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16189
May 22 22:48:35 <starkmjolk> it's already done
May 22 22:50:33 <venice> asd
May 22 22:55:04 * rwhitby installs emacs22 on his n800
May 22 22:57:36 <starkmjolk> :)
May 22 22:58:39 <starkmjolk> anyway, I was supposed to sleep. good night! :)
May 23 01:09:50 <EruditeHermit> GeneralAntilles: I fixed the camera problem. It was hardware related. I had to push the metal thing above the battery bay to contact the camera.
May 23 02:18:14 <fadec> How can I upgrade the Nokia 770 from mistral to gregal?
May 23 02:19:14 <KotCzarny> ~firmware
May 23 02:19:16 <infobot> i heard firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/
May 23 02:19:27 <KotCzarny> ~os2008
May 23 02:19:43 <fadec> ~os2008 for the 770?
May 23 02:20:29 <KotCzarny> infobot: itfw is look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
May 23 02:20:31 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
May 23 02:20:34 <KotCzarny> ~itfw
May 23 02:20:35 <infobot> [itfw] look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
May 23 02:20:55 <beford> ~itfw
May 23 02:20:57 <infobot> [itfw] look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
May 23 02:21:32 <KotCzarny> infobot: itfw is for NIT os/firmware look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
May 23 02:21:34 <infobot> ...but itfw is already something else...
May 23 02:21:41 <KotCzarny> nvm
May 23 02:21:42 <KotCzarny> :)
May 23 02:21:48 <beford> ~forget itfw
May 23 02:21:50 <infobot> beford: i forgot itfw
May 23 02:21:54 <KotCzarny> infobot: itfw is for NIT os/firmware look there: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
May 23 02:21:56 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
May 23 02:22:00 <KotCzarny> beford, thx
May 23 02:22:23 <pupnik> !stfw
May 23 02:22:46 <fadec> sweet!
May 23 02:24:11 <KotCzarny> hi pupnik
May 23 02:28:36 <hpg101> hi all. are there archives of recent threads discussing the n800 unavailability in the states
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