**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 23 02:59:57 2008 May 23 03:43:29 good morning May 23 03:43:42 good evening May 23 03:46:50 good night May 23 03:47:11 Going to bed? May 23 03:47:31 no, but it's definately night time :P May 23 03:48:20 It's night time here too, but I didn't want to say good night 'cuz people mistake it for me going to bed :P May 23 03:49:40 well, i think i managed to clear it up nicely :P May 23 03:50:18 well, I'd like to add that it still would be nice to sleep a bit more, even if it's almost 11am already :) May 23 03:51:23 lol May 23 03:51:31 i've been waking up at 3pm May 23 03:52:16 heh. sometimes the night is the most productive time there is. May 23 03:53:38 true what say you May 23 03:53:40 it's *ALWAYS* the most productive time there is May 23 03:54:54 not true May 23 03:54:55 :) May 23 03:55:08 * Navi throws bomb-ombs at everyone May 23 03:56:05 * rm_you throws bomb-ombs at KotCzarny for being a non-believer May 23 03:56:22 what's a bomb-omb? May 23 03:57:09 ok, so I lied, I didn't get a chance to get my N810 tonight, KotCzarny you were right May 23 03:57:14 I'll have it shipped May 23 03:57:20 summatusmentis, fail May 23 03:58:17 my conference went long, and then I thought the store wanna gonna be close to where I was going in NYC (after conference festivites), but it wasn't, and I don't know my way around NYC enough to navigate to the store, and back here May 23 03:58:22 back to where I was, rather May 23 03:58:38 :P May 23 03:59:12 is there any information about what gecko version does microb runs on diablo/chinohook? May 23 03:59:26 The same one that was in FF3a1 May 23 04:00:10 that's diablo, right? May 23 04:00:22 It's the same engine version :P May 23 04:11:43 hmm, it seems to be an older version May 23 04:13:50 it uses 2.x gecko engine May 23 04:14:01 * Navi sighs May 23 04:26:58 although about: it says Gecko 20071018/Firefox 3.0a1 :/ May 23 04:27:26 1.5 years old anyway May 23 04:27:27 :) May 23 04:27:41 erm. 0.5 May 23 04:27:53 hm May 23 04:27:58 no. 1.5 May 23 04:28:07 because gecko date is only compilation date May 23 04:28:08 :) May 23 04:31:29 yea, that explains why it seems to be vulnerable to the jar: issue May 23 04:36:53 hi all. for any running debian beta3...i'm stuggling with my wpa connection May 23 04:37:36 ooo, i need to grab that May 23 04:37:53 any pointers? May 23 04:38:08 no idea how he was handling wpa May 23 04:38:14 i wonder if he even tested that May 23 04:38:22 i'm pretty sure his router is just using WEP May 23 04:38:31 is wpa_supplicant on there? May 23 04:38:38 you'd probably have to ask johnx May 23 04:38:52 wpa_supplicant is installed May 23 04:38:54 by default May 23 04:39:01 on debian beta3? May 23 04:39:03 >_> May 23 04:39:03 yeah. but the wiki has a 2-line snipped of his /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-ssid and wpa-psk - so i assume wpa router May 23 04:39:09 hrm May 23 04:39:17 it wasn't when i was connected to it :P but meh May 23 04:41:07 he should be on in a bit maybe May 23 04:41:09 well, i'm outta ideas, i did force the MAC (my router has MAC restrictions) and beta3 brings up a whack mac May 23 04:41:28 There's also something in the wiki about that :P May 23 04:41:35 oh May 23 04:42:20 yeah, i followed the wiki suggestion. May 23 04:42:23 he=? May 23 04:43:43 nonetheless, i have edited penguin's chroot script and can chroot over with wireless...the debian rocks! except the kb is hard to use May 23 04:45:34 the matchbox keyboard? May 23 04:47:14 i get it from the top bar in xfce May 23 04:47:26 the mini one in the window May 23 04:47:29 http://www.xenf.net/n800stuff/ May 23 04:48:05 I forget where you stick the xml file May 23 04:48:39 that looks nice but it's also a floater. makes it tough when you have term open May 23 04:50:11 It resizes my fullscreen apps in openbox May 23 04:50:51 ah, that fellow config'd it quite a bit, 2 virt desktops (i have the default 4) and he removed the top 2 left buttons, one "rotates" my desktop into unusability May 23 04:51:38 That's my crap May 23 04:51:52 I removed xfce4 after that screenshot May 23 04:52:09 heh May 23 04:52:13 what do you use now? May 23 04:52:18 openbox May 23 04:52:29 gotcha. how did you take the screenshots? May 23 04:52:42 scrot May 23 04:53:17 did you get wpa working, by chance? May 23 04:53:26 no May 23 04:53:51 Didn't try May 23 04:54:54 i wish i could figure out how to use the kb from maemo when chrooting over to deb (or vnc'ing over) May 23 05:00:20 what's the nick of the fella who put this together? May 23 05:01:00 johnx May 23 05:01:37 he is probably... hrm May 23 05:01:51 probably at work May 23 05:01:58 johnx: you at work? May 23 05:02:30 i gotcha. i spoke to johnx about debian on here, didn't realize he was the author of the tarball May 23 05:06:45 yeah May 23 05:07:00 I keep promising to help him on it, and keep being busy :P May 23 05:07:07 though i really should fix my own app first :P May 23 05:07:37 well, i just started an apt-get on network manager, heh. wonder if it'll break everything May 23 05:08:07 what's your app? May 23 05:11:31 yawn May 23 05:30:47 advanced backlight May 23 05:30:58 **statusbar May 23 06:06:17 heh, I've really fixed^Wworked around the random mmc device nodes bug May 23 06:26:04 AStorm May 23 06:44:55 OK - i officially give up on wpa/wifi for the night. May 23 06:45:23 Morning for me and i'm as tired as **** :/ May 23 06:47:34 good morning May 23 06:47:39 morning May 23 06:48:20 hi querty12 May 23 06:48:31 how's the devil behaving ? May 23 06:48:49 hi, hehe, haven't tried him today :p May 23 06:49:16 qwerty12, hot stuff, you should take care.. it burns :P May 23 06:50:12 going for a coffee .. tty soon May 23 06:50:31 I have to go soon anyway :) May 23 06:50:50 talk to you later today then.. bye :) May 23 06:50:58 bye :) May 23 06:56:51 ok, this cx3110x module seems to be the problem. i have confirmed at least an off-by-one on the debugging facility May 23 06:57:07 Are you on N800 or N810? May 23 06:58:21 800 May 23 06:59:02 Ahh, I thought that was an N810 thing only. I got wifi working on my N800 but I didn't do anything special :/ May 23 06:59:24 TIme for me to go, bye. May 23 07:47:10 morning May 23 07:48:42 . May 23 07:48:46 Morning, all May 23 07:49:13 good morning May 23 07:56:40 http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/05/22/qgtkstyle-makes-kde-apps-fit-in-with-gnome May 23 07:56:47 Might be useful for Qt on maemo. May 23 07:57:00 Indeed May 23 07:59:09 Though I'm most concerned with getting the virtual text-entry working well. May 23 08:00:26 I just yesterday compiled qgtkstyle for my laptop May 23 08:01:12 Hi ! May 23 08:01:48 does the nokia backup tool can be configured to save also /home/user/.* ? May 23 08:02:30 Does it not? May 23 08:02:39 * GeneralAntilles isn't clear on what gets backed up with "Settings" May 23 08:02:53 No, /home/user/.* isn't saved IIRC May 23 08:03:07 Every app which wants something saved has to put an XML file in a particular place May 23 08:04:18 can I use N810's gps system via bluetooth for some other device? May 23 08:04:41 Ad-hoc via gpsd would probably work better. May 23 08:05:24 Jaffa > yes i ve see this is not saved ... i ve lost my ssh key May 23 08:05:49 so it s why i ask if i can configure it to save all file in /home/user May 23 08:05:50 ;)à May 23 08:06:07 Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give May 23 08:06:07 the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 277 more bytes) May 23 08:06:11 oups ww May 23 08:08:42 Khertan_TheReal: I raised a bug against the OpenSSH maintainer. It was marked fixed so the openssh package should now include the appropriate file to backup /home/user/.ssh May 23 08:24:24 Khertan_TheReal: Did you receive the invitation? May 23 08:27:40 Jaffa > great ... May 23 08:27:46 X-Fade> yes thx May 23 08:27:51 really fast :) May 23 08:28:02 We aim to please ;) May 23 08:28:11 O.o May 23 08:28:23 i would like to order cheese pizza May 23 08:28:25 i ve just a problem to create my ssh key ... need to collect more entropy ... May 23 08:28:26 ;) May 23 08:28:50 it s seems that i don't use enought my tablet May 23 08:28:58 :) May 23 08:29:06 Khertan_TheReal: Download large files? May 23 08:29:08 play some mp3 May 23 08:31:34 drag the stylus randomly through the screen May 23 08:39:27 Poke the stylus randomly through the screen. :P May 23 08:39:44 Pretend the tablet is an iPhone May 23 08:40:08 hit it with a stick May 23 08:43:42 i love my iN800! May 23 08:43:48 perv. May 23 08:45:20 That's the horrible child from your iPhone and N800? :shudder: May 23 09:11:56 I want n9x0 to have: omap3230 @800mhz max, 256MB RAM, transflective screen, 2x Micro-SDHC slots, multi-boot loader and boot from either SDHC, charging XOR operation off USB power, HDMI OUT, 1-2M camera, OpenGL2.0 ES and OpenGL support, open-source accelerated media playback, an OpenGL UI, hardware key (or combo) for right click, improved GPS or NO gps, longer battery life, framebuffer vsync @50-60fps from userspace, hardshell case. May 23 09:12:15 argggg !!!!!!!! May 23 09:12:31 TheRealAAAAAAAAAAAAAArg May 23 09:12:41 i still not get enough entropy ! May 23 09:12:41 hrm May 23 09:13:01 pupnik, how about accelerometer? May 23 09:13:21 I'll take it May 23 09:13:30 Pupnik, those sound nice but yeah, accelerometer would be nice May 23 09:13:47 and gaming buttons May 23 09:13:54 xterm with top + mp3 playing + mplayer playing a divx + some random click with stylus .... May 23 09:14:00 and a head mount May 23 09:14:31 OMAP3230? May 23 09:14:36 gaming buttons would ruin the image for target market, but gaming compatible dpad, and the slide out keyboard would work well May 23 09:14:39 Khertan, qh325oi3h 65oi8w3p4t987qw98ry67q8923pq5b328954v q4389 ty34p9 62389nwt58 p9e47as t86p498e6w89p3a74esa98t7pe48 t6awer May 23 09:14:48 Khertan, there's some entropy for you May 23 09:14:58 The OMAP3440'll kill battery life. May 23 09:15:06 inz: your entropy has suspiciously many 8s May 23 09:15:28 GeneralAntilles: would you be fine with a thicker unit than the n810? May 23 09:15:38 Yes May 23 09:15:38 Kot, well, in random that can happed May 23 09:15:44 and larger overall May 23 09:16:04 The thickness of the N800's hump is fine with me. May 23 09:16:34 how about two different back covers for diff size batteries? one thin, one thick? May 23 09:16:52 how about battery integrated in back cover? May 23 09:17:06 not a great idea May 23 09:17:18 That sounds more complicated than it needs to be. May 23 09:17:22 nope May 23 09:17:35 some phones utilize that for a few years already May 23 09:17:44 with the actual one u can find easily other battery as it the same as some other nokia's phone May 23 09:17:49 I'd rather see a thicker default unit that utilizes the additional thickness for cool stuff. May 23 09:17:54 beyond just a bigger battery. May 23 09:18:08 or just a piggy back second battery May 23 09:18:14 using standard plug May 23 09:18:15 Really, I want a 3.5", 4.1" and 7" model. May 23 09:18:34 omap has some nice media acceleration: anybody know how open TI is with the libraries for it? May 23 09:18:40 GeneralAntilles: good idea :) May 23 09:18:55 pupnik: sdk is available for opengl es May 23 09:18:58 Maybe make the 4.1" a 4.5", get rid of a little bezel and do 1024x600 May 23 09:19:04 do those 2.5 drive cases (case logic, iomega) fit the n800? the internal dims say 5.5" on the long side and n800 is 5.625" May 23 09:19:09 but it's up to manufacturer to include drivers May 23 09:19:11 pupnik_, it's more an issue of the PowerVR guys than TI. May 23 09:19:21 Oh, you mean IVA2? May 23 09:19:22 Dunno about that May 23 09:19:26 on-the-fly replaceable batteries and bundled battery charger and secondary battery May 23 09:19:30 but OMAP3 is more open overall than previous OMAPs. May 23 09:19:37 i believe omap3430 has media acceleration that is *not* in the powervr, but i'm going from glitchy memory May 23 09:19:39 GeneralAntilles: larger screen size, slightly larger overall would be a winner for me May 23 09:19:43 inz, a fat-cap for battery swapping would be great. May 23 09:19:57 mysc, I've got a 2.5" case logic case. May 23 09:20:03 an integrated dynamo ... too :) May 23 09:20:04 Absolutely perfect fit for N800 + iGo May 23 09:20:08 inz wow, on the fly - kewl :) May 23 09:20:15 and 1Go of Ram May 23 09:20:18 :) May 23 09:20:23 no, ram consumes battery May 23 09:20:31 GA, one for each i presume? May 23 09:20:36 No May 23 09:20:38 One for both May 23 09:20:40 pupnik > it s why i want a dynamo :) May 23 09:20:52 ?? May 23 09:20:53 http://www.amazon.com/CaseLogic-Small-External-Drive-Case/dp/B000HDJT4S May 23 09:20:58 Best Buy carries them in-store. May 23 09:20:58 * pupnik_ buys TheRealArrrrrg an exercise bicycle with dynamo May 23 09:21:32 and more important ... a better random generator ... to be able to create gpg key more easily ... May 23 09:21:33 pupnik, that would be great, but I guess no one will implement it May 23 09:21:35 how does that fit an n800 and an igo? (do you mean the igo ultra-slim?) May 23 09:22:03 3.5" at 800x480 (Mylo 2 proved this works) 4.1-4.5" at 1024x600 and 7" at 1280x768 May 23 09:22:32 Whichever the 2-fold iGo is. May 23 09:22:51 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13389 May 23 09:23:11 hard exterior, ga? May 23 09:23:34 Hard fabric, basically. May 23 09:23:40 It'll hold up fine in a backback or something May 23 09:23:57 Hard foam, actually. May 23 09:24:11 aha, thanks. wonder why a hard case never caught on...alum or other May 23 09:24:51 I toss a 770 and my iGo in there when I'm traveling (N800 stays in my pocket). May 23 09:24:55 is there an easy patch to increase os2008 128mb swap limit? May 23 09:25:34 Linux! May 23 09:25:43 Not really much point, though. May 23 09:25:45 Flash is slow. May 23 09:25:57 mysc: if you need more flash then you are something wrong May 23 09:26:05 erm, more swap May 23 09:26:13 doing May 23 09:26:15 GeneralAntilles: flash is not slow - jffs2 is May 23 09:26:29 jffs2 has nothing to do with the SD cards. May 23 09:26:41 Flash is slow to use as RAM. May 23 09:26:51 ah May 23 09:26:56 sory - did not read May 23 09:26:59 writes of 512b to a blocks with 128kb erase size sucks May 23 09:27:00 :P May 23 09:27:08 swap != ram May 23 09:27:19 swap is written in pages May 23 09:27:22 I do not use swap in current desktop May 23 09:28:06 so you all don't set up virtual memory (swap) on os2008 on the internal sd? May 23 09:28:21 this is a boot off an sd, not off the flash, btw May 23 09:29:25 mysc, yes, swap on internal. May 23 09:29:40 RST38h, yes, I know swap isn't RAM. . . . May 23 09:30:21 sd is a flash too May 23 09:30:22 :) May 23 09:30:54 anyways, with oowriter open on my debian chroot, i have little mem left... May 23 09:31:06 people start using onenand to describe internal flash May 23 09:32:05 1n& May 23 09:32:06 :> May 23 09:34:30 GA, how close to a laptop kb is that igo one? May 23 09:34:35 Not very May 23 09:34:43 Only 4-row May 23 09:34:44 if you had toshiba laptop May 23 09:34:53 it's similiar May 23 09:35:21 but numbers and f-keys are accessible with fn combo May 23 09:35:38 there is a model with numbers included May 23 09:35:44 i can't decide between that and the 3-fold one with numbers May 23 09:35:44 could be more useful for some May 23 09:35:59 get more keys May 23 09:35:59 :) May 23 09:36:29 mysc, iGo + Apple May 23 09:36:36 iGo for portable, Apple for fullsize. May 23 09:36:40 "fullsize laptop" May 23 09:37:26 i now use a usb full kb, but i am worried that the cable movement is going to break the mini-b connector on the nit May 23 09:38:05 * KotCzarny would like a kb with a trackpoint May 23 09:38:18 yeah, that would be great May 23 09:38:27 ibm had them May 23 09:38:35 bt? May 23 09:38:39 usb May 23 09:39:19 is there a maemo (linux) driver for it? May 23 09:39:33 no driver needed i think May 23 09:40:12 pckeyboard.com May 23 09:40:15 Unicomp makes 'em May 23 09:42:23 i worry, that the shuffling of the cable will loosen the connector though. the nokia dongle is very stiff May 23 09:42:27 No Longer Available May 23 09:42:34 for a http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/migmousblac.html May 23 09:42:55 and price is sick May 23 09:42:58 110$ May 23 09:43:58 $110? nuts May 23 09:44:17 I've got a couple of their USB "Model M" keyboard May 23 09:44:22 they make fantastic stuff May 23 09:44:37 speaking of nuts, 16GB sd's...still in the $70s May 23 09:44:43 Nuts? May 23 09:44:48 You're kidding, right? May 23 09:44:54 Look at the price of a 16GB CF May 23 09:45:02 Besides, they were $140 4 months ago. May 23 09:45:22 $70 is only $45 in 2001 USD May 23 09:45:30 So it's cheap May 23 09:46:12 now, what's really nuts are the prices on SSD drives...that's a seagate move though May 23 09:46:40 yeah May 23 09:46:47 ssd is 500$+ stuff May 23 09:46:48 :) May 23 09:47:30 if you stumble on anything cheaper it's old and slow May 23 09:48:04 i would like memory cards/drives with a raw access to the flash chip May 23 09:48:05 :) May 23 09:48:28 Kot, i know why you were so up on booting off sd. it is a lot faster #1, you have the added space #2, and you can mount it as usb if you boot from flash.... May 23 09:48:37 :) May 23 09:48:51 and if you fsck something up it's easier to fix May 23 09:49:07 yep May 23 09:49:07 and you can back up with simple 'dd' command May 23 09:49:19 no mtd magic needed, indeed May 23 09:49:41 right. dd is not space saavy though. why not just use tar? May 23 09:49:53 and you can intantly have many version of os May 23 09:50:08 with just a swap of card May 23 09:50:09 :) May 23 09:50:17 mysc: dd | gzip May 23 09:50:18 :) May 23 09:50:28 tar | tar :) May 23 09:50:43 i like lzo though May 23 09:50:48 someone have try mCalendar ? May 23 09:51:15 16gb cf is 60-70$ May 23 09:51:40 32gb cf is 140$ May 23 09:51:41 :) May 23 09:51:42 GeneralAntilles: BTW, have you done a grep for RX-44 in the diablo file system, and then checked to see if there are any references to other hardware models as well? May 23 09:51:56 i was so happy when i saw LyX in the "working apps" list, but it's an empty garage :) May 23 09:52:23 mysc: probably you have to grab the source and compile May 23 09:52:37 or just search harder May 23 09:53:14 it is dependency hell, it relies on tex, and might be qt based May 23 09:53:20 :) May 23 09:53:40 plus i've not set up my sdk yet and started down the path of porting. May 23 09:54:11 no 64gb cfs, hum May 23 09:54:14 getting qt libs on maemo would be neat, would open up a lot of options May 23 09:55:30 ok - gotta run. cheers. May 23 09:57:06 32gb sd is 700$ May 23 09:57:08 :> May 23 09:58:12 correction, 270$ for a sandisk ultra ii May 23 09:58:14 nice May 23 10:09:37 http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/electrolaptops_2001_12028964 May 23 10:09:37 mm May 23 10:14:51 http://www.primelec.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/31734/vpid/4883873/vpcsid/0/rid/124330 May 23 10:14:53 hrm May 23 10:14:59 interesting May 23 10:17:31 power rating 5v, 1.5a, lol May 23 10:24:20 hi May 23 10:26:20 hi May 23 10:27:06 HAI May 23 10:36:33 what do u think of my new site : khertan.net ? May 23 10:36:55 is it for khertans from all over the world? May 23 10:37:26 there is only one :) May 23 10:37:35 then it's not .net May 23 10:37:36 :) May 23 10:38:01 yes but when i ve try to registered 5 years ago my domain ... May 23 10:38:12 don't mind me May 23 10:38:14 :) May 23 10:38:40 between the time i make a search if domain is available ... and register it ... 10 min ... there is parking domain company which register .com and .org ... May 23 10:39:31 domain parking is evil. May 23 10:39:43 that's probably not actual parking... May 23 10:40:12 and .com is more for commercials things ... .org for organization ... and .fr for french company ... so .net is a better choice i think May 23 10:40:22 they can make a "reservation" for some time (maybe two weeks?) in the hopes you'd buy the domain you just searched for May 23 10:40:34 it's still evil though May 23 10:41:00 it was 5 years ago ... and they have bought it for one year May 23 10:41:05 not a reservation ... May 23 10:41:20 wow, nice business model they have May 23 10:41:22 now i make my search only at gandi ... May 23 10:41:31 jku_ > yes :) May 23 10:42:17 http://browsershots.org/ May 23 10:42:18 oups ww May 23 10:44:04 pfff msie is still the same stupid browser http://browsershots.org/screenshots/45b9619fb1e16d514af50088ac87d137/ May 23 10:49:23 morning all May 23 10:56:50 lcuk: did you get my email? May 23 10:57:04 who ? :) May 23 10:57:08 oh sorry : May 23 10:57:09 :) May 23 10:57:26 I'm hungry... need to eat May 23 10:57:34 mmm, bacon May 23 10:58:23 :) going for lunch bye May 23 11:18:44 lardman, yes :) not in time though, i had 2 days to respond but arrived back after 3. ive mailed them and asked to reactivate it (though the language barrier was a problem) May 23 11:21:31 hi lcuk how goes it May 23 11:22:03 lcuk: It will probably just come back to me May 23 11:22:11 lcuk: so I can send it again if you want May 23 11:22:13 its good actually, i was able to take lots of notes over the last week and even managed to hack a bit at the program to compile on device May 23 11:22:26 anyone else need a ticket? May 23 11:22:32 to what May 23 11:22:37 LinuxTag May 23 11:22:42 lardman, i didnt reply, i sent it to the address they gave if there are any problem May 23 11:23:08 quim said speakers get in free. do you know if that is correct lcuk? May 23 11:23:12 lcuk: I meant the ticket will come back to me May 23 11:23:23 pupnik_: yep, but you do need a ticket though May 23 11:23:30 a free one May 23 11:23:35 how do i get? May 23 11:23:42 would you like one? May 23 11:23:43 :) May 23 11:23:44 yes May 23 11:23:46 send me an email May 23 11:24:00 Hmm I need to get one too. Totally forgot about that ;) May 23 11:24:01 prvmsg? May 23 11:24:11 yep that's fine May 23 11:24:13 * lcuk now knows EXACTLY what he wants to do with his 810 :) May 23 11:24:26 X-Fade_: likewise, send me an email, I've got ~7 left iitc May 23 11:24:28 iirc May 23 11:24:53 lardman: ta for mine, i know keesj was looking for one May 23 11:24:55 lardman: niels @ maemo ;) May 23 11:25:42 lardman, its a bit tough to get into specifics now cos ive got a butty in one hand and im at work, if you pop on tonight we can go through some more specifics May 23 11:28:25 i dont think ill get into the linux convention with or without a ticket anyway. ive got a suntan - they will think i am a spy. linux folks keep themselves closetted away May 23 11:29:25 lcuk: oh May 23 11:29:35 lcuk: I thought you were supposed to be presenting though? May 23 11:29:49 i am, it was a joke :P May 23 11:30:16 * lcuk remembers that irc isnt the best medium May 23 11:30:47 ok, sorry, trying to do too many things atm, sarcasm filter is off line! May 23 11:30:54 :) May 23 11:31:02 lcuk == JOKE FAIL May 23 11:31:27 damn May 23 11:31:38 X-Fade_: I before E- triple checked May 23 11:32:06 X-Fade_: enroute through the ether May 23 11:32:10 yep niels ;) May 23 11:32:26 so lardman, have you actually got tickets waiting there, or is it something we still need to contact ltag directly for May 23 11:32:37 I know it is hard, whenever I'm on holiday my name changes to Neil ;) May 23 11:32:39 I was given 10 May 23 11:32:41 to distribute May 23 11:32:59 Haha, X-Fade_. May 23 11:33:02 I was also told that Quim will have some, so I don't have to search out all the presenters May 23 11:33:10 Why was lardman given 10? I don't think that's fair. :P May 23 11:33:21 I'm presenting, and I asked May 23 11:33:37 on the mailing list, if you remember my alterego - Simon Pickering May 23 11:33:40 GeneralAntilles: I stopped caring actually, that is a battle I will never win :P May 23 11:33:42 Yeah, sure . . . brownnoser. :P May 23 11:33:44 * Jaffa curses damned cousin getting married, now May 23 11:33:47 :) May 23 11:34:05 Poor Jaffa May 23 11:34:43 So inconsiderate. May 23 11:34:55 Blow it off, live a little. ;) May 23 11:35:09 ...by going to a Linux conference? Yeeeesss. May 23 11:35:42 dont tell them its a linux conference then - tell them you are going to a conservation meeting - save the penguin May 23 11:40:49 lcuk: I've just read the blurb on the ticket and it says you have to accept within 48h otherwise it comes back to me May 23 11:40:58 lcuk: so let me know if I should send you another one May 23 11:47:17 lardman, i sent a mail back to tickets@linuxtag.org without realising it was directed from you, if they havent responded by tonight then could you just activate another one to me please May 23 11:49:43 VIDEO: [] 160x120 24bpp 15.004 fps 6913.9 kbps (844.0 kbyte/s) May 23 11:49:46 d'oh. May 23 11:51:22 lcuk: yep, email me this evening and tell me one way or another; I'll be out but will check when I get back in May 23 11:55:40 hmm.. according to http://tabletblog.com/2008/05/3rd-anniversary-special-timeline-from.html 770 box was changed in half of 2006 year May 23 11:55:55 my 770 from 2007 has old box anyway May 23 11:56:04 hrw: did you get my email? May 23 11:56:14 hrw: maybe you got a refurb? May 23 11:56:15 :) May 23 11:58:08 hrw, I've got both boxes. May 23 11:58:48 hey May 23 11:59:31 got some problem here, i've installed chinook on ubuntu following instructions from maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org May 23 12:00:04 now i can't get source of package with 'can't locate controllib.pl in @INC' May 23 12:00:12 any ideas what should i do? May 23 12:00:21 lardman: Lt2008 one? May 23 12:00:28 hrw: yep May 23 12:00:32 lardman: got it - sorry for lack of answer May 23 12:00:48 lardman: I have to talk with boss - will know on monday ;( May 23 12:00:53 hrw: I've been away, was wondering if my email had gone wrong May 23 12:01:01 hrw: np, will save you one if you want May 23 12:01:36 KotCzarny: there was no 'refurbished' info there May 23 12:01:49 hidden refurb? May 23 12:01:50 KotCzarny: but it does not matter anyway May 23 12:02:02 serviced unit? May 23 12:02:27 maybe warehouse spare? May 23 12:04:14 I got it for free - boxed, never opened etc May 23 12:04:23 :) May 23 12:04:40 could be warehouse spare May 23 12:05:19 maybe May 23 12:15:34 what wireless driver does n800 use May 23 12:16:15 a closed source one May 23 12:16:18 airodump-ng is too wide for osso_xterm and i can't see the ESSID May 23 12:16:25 lardman: so I can't do iwlist scanning? May 23 12:16:43 I'm not an expert on it; anyone else know? May 23 12:18:27 I think it should be able to do iwlist scanning. May 23 12:18:38 monitor mode is a different matter ;) May 23 12:19:11 it says iface doesn't support scanning--i've even tried ifconfig wlan0 up May 23 12:20:44 Nokia-N810-50-2:~# iwlist wlan0 scanning|grep Cell|wc 4 20 188 May 23 12:20:50 4 networks found May 23 12:21:27 well May 23 12:21:38 it seems after i've run airodump my regular gui wireless tool can't pick up networks May 23 12:21:44 i donno how to fix it so i'll just restart May 23 12:22:39 there was a tool on maemo.org to reset wifi to normal state May 23 12:22:46 forgot the name though May 23 12:23:05 KotCzarny: if you ever find out let me know, even if i'm not on this chan i'm always on freenode =] May 23 12:23:11 well May 23 12:23:14 just google for it May 23 12:23:15 :) May 23 12:23:16 ok May 23 12:24:06 later gonna take a long time to pinpoint that one out May 23 12:24:20 pingpoint May 23 12:25:21 http://behindmaemolines.blogspot.com/2007/10/resetwlan-for-n800.html May 23 12:26:35 GeneralAntilles: no link there May 23 12:26:37 probably reinserts the module and runs wlan-cal May 23 12:26:39 or something May 23 12:26:40 :) May 23 12:26:49 hrw, it's a starting point. May 23 12:26:55 a starting point is better than nothing. May 23 12:26:57 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/resetwlan/ May 23 12:27:11 GeneralAntilles: hrw thanks! May 23 12:27:29 and hrw* May 23 12:27:39 and me? May 23 12:28:00 yeah always thanks to you KotCzarny you've helped me more than anyone in this channel since i got my n800 :P May 23 12:28:07 :) May 23 12:28:33 wanna my paypal donate link? May 23 12:28:34 ;) May 23 12:29:06 i laughed in real life May 23 12:29:17 :) May 23 12:30:10 what about havnig airodump-ng not be so wide or make it fit some other way May 23 12:30:24 change font in term May 23 12:30:42 oh, nice May 23 12:30:45 GeneralAntilles: Thanks! :) May 23 12:32:24 ok, i should get me some sleep, night people May 23 12:32:52 can you set a proxy ? May 23 12:32:58 ~curse repository.maemo.org May 23 12:32:59 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, repository.maemo.org ! May 23 12:33:23 guys quick question... I am trying to repackage a debianized app for the n800 using the source, but I am getting this trange error May 23 12:33:32 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found May 23 12:33:33 dpkg-source: failure: md5sum swig1.3_1.3.35.orig.tar.gz failed with unknown exit May 23 12:33:47 GeneralAntilles: qgil's gone and slapped down our N900 fun ;-/ May 23 12:34:07 lol :) May 23 12:34:26 Bastard! May 23 12:34:48 wait i got it nevermind May 23 12:36:20 guenther, ? May 23 12:37:01 I am Karsten Bräckelmann, one of the maemo.org bugmaster. May 23 12:37:34 Thanks for that ITT comment about closing bugs fixed in Diablo. May 23 12:37:47 I wholeheartedly agree. :) May 23 12:38:14 I was a little disturbed to find so many old, resolved ones left unresolved when I went through a few days ago. May 23 12:38:44 Putting some of the itT eyes on the issue should help, hopefully. May 23 12:38:51 One thing Andre and me want to change are devs commenting in bugzilla. May 23 12:39:01 But until we got that done... May 23 12:39:12 Community action is just cool! May 23 12:39:22 What, progress on #630? :P May 23 12:39:35 hi guenther May 23 12:39:35 Jaffa: ? May 23 12:39:42 hi guys May 23 12:39:45 Also, I agree on the permission bits. May 23 12:39:52 * sp3000 is a click-happy idiot and joins "#630?" May 23 12:39:52 finally I've eaten :) May 23 12:40:04 #2899? May 23 12:40:09 Good job, sp3000! May 23 12:40:21 If anyone believes he deserves bugzilla permission bits, feel free to poke me! May 23 12:40:31 guenther, would there, perhaps, be a more formalized permission bit acquisition system coming that I could point people towards? May 23 12:40:33 Some of the bugs are a bit airy-fairy too, complaints but no suggestions about what to do to fix them May 23 12:40:52 GeneralAntilles: probably not May 23 12:41:05 I am hanging out in here regularly. May 23 12:41:05 sp3000: don't forget to check out #0,1 while you're at it May 23 12:41:12 :þ May 23 12:41:31 I believe this is a good place to discus this, too. Lacking a dedicated #maemo-bugs channel. ;) May 23 12:41:39 if 0,1 looked like a likely bug number I might ;) May 23 12:41:42 * guenther waits for sp3000 to join there May 23 12:41:46 guenther, just point them in your's or andre's direction, then? May 23 12:41:46 :) May 23 12:41:58 GeneralAntilles: yep May 23 12:42:00 sp3000: what about the master bug #0 ? May 23 12:42:07 Sounds good, then. May 23 12:42:46 We are here for you! We want a strong community, and will help in any way we can. May 23 12:42:56 AStorm: that actually does link to bug 0 in this client :) May 23 12:43:02 guenther: good :) May 23 12:43:06 sp3000: lol May 23 12:43:20 it's hard to tell because airodump reports things falsley sometimes May 23 12:43:20 florian, anidel: hi May 23 12:43:26 guardian, hi May 23 12:43:28 such as, this open one is reported as wpa2 May 23 12:43:28 ops May 23 12:43:31 guenther, hi :) May 23 12:43:34 * AStorm updates wine to 1.0-rc1 and goes to play Planeescape May 23 12:43:35 * sp3000 didn't notice the lack of 'bug' near '#630' May 23 12:43:40 ok people May 23 12:43:41 AStorm: Torment? May 23 12:43:44 falsely May 23 12:43:57 hrw: is there any other? :P May 23 12:44:16 AStorm: wanted to be sure May 23 12:44:31 AStorm: I bought it ~5 years ago and never had time to finish May 23 12:44:31 Now, if I would figure out how to register... May 23 12:44:37 ok, I'll set up remote X May 23 12:44:45 and play it on N May 23 12:45:10 AStorm: do you have 'rigthclickbuttone'? May 23 12:45:12 640x480, right? May 23 12:45:18 does it run on GemRB? May 23 12:45:35 hrw: how do I add them? May 23 12:46:00 AStorm: according to pupnik n900 will have one ;) (at least he wants it) May 23 12:46:20 well, I could use a right click modifier key May 23 12:46:31 that turns a left click into right one May 23 12:46:41 possible in software? May 23 12:46:47 astorm: use xvkbd May 23 12:46:48 :) May 23 12:46:58 i have added this hack to it May 23 12:47:06 KotCzarny: yeah, and it'll right click for me? May 23 12:47:09 :P May 23 12:47:19 no, it swaps left and right mb May 23 12:47:21 it won't fir anyway May 23 12:47:22 :) May 23 12:47:27 * andre___ comes out of a meeting and fully agrees with every guenther has written here May 23 12:47:30 naah, can't May 23 12:47:36 anyway, it's a matter of xmodmap May 23 12:48:30 I need both keys May 23 12:48:32 map some key to exec a script that will swap the mb May 23 12:48:47 hmmmm May 23 12:48:55 that could worj :) May 23 12:48:59 i know May 23 12:49:00 *work May 23 12:49:24 but i should be in bed May 23 12:49:26 night. May 23 12:49:50 heh, it's 1500 here ;) May 23 12:49:52 night May 23 12:50:07 night May 23 12:52:03 Anybody know if there's a 64x64 question mark version of this lying around? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_Info_icon.png May 23 12:52:12 hm. does n800/n810 support WMM/WME? i'm having odd problems with my n800 draining a lot of power when at home, and just discovered WME/WMM is disabled on my home router. May 23 12:52:52 but not when i'm connected for instance to the uni wlan :) May 23 12:52:56 GA: there should be.. mmm May 23 12:53:08 Alternatively, can you think of a good maemo icon for "Troubleshooting"? May 23 12:54:24 Stskeeps: it does May 23 12:54:38 that's the power saving option May 23 12:56:10 that'll explain i guess.. will just run a idle wifi test to see if that was it May 23 12:56:30 it's good to know something like that before deploying the same router+wifi device set to patients :> May 23 12:57:16 can't wait for the memristor to shrink electronics 100x May 23 13:02:28 Just need one more for troubleshooting. . . . https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page May 23 13:02:51 Hi ... again May 23 13:03:11 42? You have the answer? :P May 23 13:03:19 yes ... May 23 13:03:26 do u have the question ? May 23 13:03:29 GeneralAntilles: none of the device? May 23 13:04:07 qgn_list_cp_devicesetup.png might work May 23 13:04:50 hmm... "Junior Member". How embarrassing. :) May 23 13:05:03 100 posts May 23 13:05:07 Spam, spam, spam! :P May 23 13:05:15 hah May 23 13:05:21 There it is! May 23 13:05:24 qgn_list_help.png May 23 13:05:42 * GeneralAntilles <3 CoverFlow May 23 13:07:12 That reminds me. Must raise a MediaBox bug May 23 13:07:37 Alright, there it is: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Main_Page May 23 13:07:40 is there a documentation somewhere on how to make a hires icon in a .desktop on maemo.org ? May 23 13:08:01 Khertan: maemo.org, Documentation, Tutorials, 4.x May 23 13:08:26 Khertan: It is an SVG icon (use Inkscape to edit) of the size described in the above tutorial May 23 13:18:12 GeneralAntilles: could do with some padding or something, or the icons precededing the titles in the text boxes May 23 13:20:08 The icons went weird with the title boxes when I right-aligned them. May 23 13:20:23 Which was unexpected, but not entirely undesired. May 23 13:20:30 Though it screws up the rest of the text in the box. May 23 13:21:36 GeneralAntilles: ah, the images have
May 23 13:21:54 Added automatically be mediawiki May 23 13:22:03 Indeed. More brute forced HTML? May 23 13:22:05 They're [[Image:|size|right]] May 23 13:22:18 Yeah, I could, I suppose. :P May 23 13:22:30 * Jaffa is willing to get his hands dirty. Alternatively, hang on... May 23 13:23:10 Somebody should come up with a finalized super-catoregy list already. . . . :P May 23 13:23:53 RST38h > thx May 23 13:24:49 is there in the room someone able to do for mCalendar an nice icon of a calendar in SVG ... May 23 13:25:01 all my attemps is ... how to say ... horrible ... May 23 13:26:30 GeneralAntilles: just tried to improve it, but on my screen width the titles are now wrapping which isn't very good. What about if they were really faded out so they appeared more like watermarks? Then the text could go over the top May 23 13:26:48 Sounds like a fair plan, Jaffa. May 23 13:27:19 * Jaffa fires up the GIMP. How much do we care about good rendering in IE (semi-transparent PNGs and all that) May 23 13:27:48 ie don't render png correctly ... so forgot ie May 23 13:28:02 Can fudge it, e.g. Dean Thingy's IE7.js May 23 13:28:25 Screw IE. May 23 13:28:35 Goodo May 23 13:28:37 I say we have a client direction page that redirects them somewhere horrible. :P May 23 13:28:50 s/gibberish/english/ May 23 13:29:18 Jaffa, while you're in Gimp, pad them all out so they're all 64x64 May 23 13:29:24 Some are 64x54 and it's doing weird things. May 23 13:29:52 yup May 23 13:32:22 http://browsershots.org/http://khertan.net/ < ie is the only thing that can't render a web site like other navigator ! May 23 13:35:56 Somebody remind me of the codename after Elephanta? May 23 13:36:57 Fremantle was mentioned on ITT the other day, but I think that was the first I'd heard of it May 23 13:37:52 Yeah, wonder what the source is there. May 23 13:40:23 I have seen this Fremantle name before, but I don't know if that is the right one. May 23 13:45:57 X-Fade_, we have an agenda forming for next month's #maemo-meeting, yet? May 23 13:46:23 GeneralAntilles: No, I'm open to suggestions though ;) May 23 13:46:37 I think we need to keep it within one topic. May 23 13:47:04 Poor Quim. . . . May 23 13:47:36 what means the different maemo code name ? May 23 13:47:42 Well, if we set the topic beforehand, then he can get some people to join that maybe know a bit more about the subject. May 23 13:48:21 We have a date yet? May 23 13:48:37 But I guess we can get some inspiration for topics and date after we have had LinuxTag ;) May 23 13:48:39 gregal (it s a boat), bora (an island), chinook (an helicopter May 23 13:48:55 ~curse omweather author May 23 13:48:56 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, omweather author ! May 23 13:49:17 Wind, Khertan_4. May 23 13:49:19 Khertan_42: No, think names for all kinds of wind types. May 23 13:49:29 lol. ... May 23 13:49:40 ah there is mistral too ! May 23 13:49:57 Sure, sirocco too. May 23 13:50:07 i should know ... as i ve get mistral for many year in my face May 23 13:50:08 :) May 23 13:50:53 GeneralAntilles: Damn, background images might need CSS fiddlng. Is the stylesheet in the wiki, do you know (or perhaps X-Fade does)? May 23 13:51:02 Bug dneary? May 23 13:51:05 as i come from the Rhone Valley May 23 13:51:08 * X-Fade_ thinks LinuxTag is going to be fun May 23 13:51:25 Jaffa: I can help out there.. May 23 13:53:15 X-Fade_: I want a number of CSS styles which have https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_Info_icon-fade.png, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_contact_icon-fade.png, https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_question_icon-fade.png and https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Image:Maemo_xterm_icon-fade.png as non-repeating, top-left background images. Putting them as inline styles seems to balk at the url() bit :-( May 23 13:54:25 Jaffa: Can you put that in a mail, so I don't forget? I am a bit swamped atm ;) May 23 13:54:37 X-Fade_: will do, ta. May 23 13:56:10 does the NIT use a network time client? May 23 13:57:28 There is ntpd May 23 13:57:33 or is it nntpd? May 23 13:57:54 ntpd, iirc May 23 13:58:09 okay thanks May 23 13:58:21 just checking, because my device was so off May 23 13:58:22 Oh lord, Darius has jumped into the ITTSS thread with some more random, garbled, stream of conciousness. May 23 13:59:09 He's so awesome. May 23 13:59:13 Darius is my hero. <3 May 23 14:03:27 GA: So, is he better than meanwhile or whimpier? May 23 14:04:06 I can't read his HTML-formatted emails, so I've no idea what he's talking about May 23 14:04:52 Darius >>>>> meanwhile/Umptious May 23 14:04:59 Though meanwhile also has his merits. May 23 14:05:47 Darius has simply been at it much longer and accrued much more experience. :D May 23 14:05:55 how can i get the public ssh key of my nit May 23 14:06:01 i don't remember the commands May 23 14:06:23 * GeneralAntilles likes lussh for setting up keys. May 23 14:06:56 Khertan_42: should be in .ssh/id_rsa.pub May 23 14:07:36 it should ... but when i look id_rsa.pub it s clearly indicated in the head 'PRIVATE RSA' May 23 14:07:52 you generated keys incorrectly, I guess May 23 14:08:07 it s seems ... i ll generate it again... May 23 14:08:44 hum ... it s ok now May 23 14:08:48 sorry ... May 23 14:09:15 hum .... so ... bye May 23 14:09:17 ... May 23 14:09:22 week end start now :) May 23 14:09:30 leaving the office :) May 23 14:26:57 hi May 23 14:27:08 hello May 23 14:47:01 AStorm May 23 14:47:04 qwerty May 23 14:47:23 hi May 23 14:49:03 hi May 23 14:56:55 rocking, freenode *does* have a maemo channel. rockin hard! whassup party peoples? ;^)> May 23 14:58:06 jus got a N810 here, loving it, despite any "challenges" happening w.r.t it (i.e. big downloads - maemo SDK and the image that I have to get to flash the thing to update it out of the box ....) and then this issue with my fscking 3945ABG wlan card, but that's MSI's fault hehe May 23 14:58:33 big downloads over a multi-used satellite line -- patience is the virtue in question hehe May 23 15:00:30 anyone seen something like openoffice for the N810? or some other sort of fancy document editor? abiword? May 23 15:00:44 ~itt May 23 15:00:44 rumour has it, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) May 23 15:01:29 gimmal: freenode seems to have a channel for every cool project, huh? was surprised to see this here too May 23 15:01:39 gimmal: both have been done. Abiword natively, OOo via a Debian port May 23 15:02:23 Jaffa: cool! May 23 15:02:53 anyone know of any convenient keywords someone could use to find either of those online? "maemo nokia n810 openoffice.org" didn't seem to result in much, iirc ;^)> May 23 15:03:21 qole chroot openoffice May 23 15:03:38 qole, ok May 23 15:03:38 search the itt forums May 23 15:03:46 thanks May 23 15:04:31 But I must warn, it isn't an easy setup by any standards. May 23 15:04:48 http://n800-as-a-professional-tool.blogspot.com/ May 23 15:05:20 just like the website name May 23 15:06:05 hmm, captcha required just to do a search ... fun fun ;^p> May 23 15:06:17 Register May 23 15:06:21 * RST38h still does not understand who needs openoffice on a tablet May 23 15:06:34 It must bepainfully slow May 23 15:06:36 * qwerty12 sure don't May 23 15:06:46 RST38h: abiword would be fine May 23 15:06:52 AStorm: exactly May 23 15:06:52 we have gnumeric already May 23 15:07:07 AbiWord+Gnumeric will pretty much implement an office on a tablet May 23 15:07:20 qwerty12: good advice; thank you May 23 15:07:21 :/ May 23 15:07:46 RST38h: it was the first thing came to mind for getting a good document editor May 23 15:08:10 is abiword finally usable? May 23 15:08:18 gimmal: tablets are pretty limited speed-wise and have limited controls May 23 15:08:38 gimmal: so, "getting a good document editor" should be taken with a grain of salt May 23 15:08:40 abiword sounds better, will take a look about it May 23 15:08:48 understood hehe May 23 15:08:58 But N810 does have a keyboard so it does make it more feasible :) May 23 15:09:00 AStorm: it's author god subsidized under Google Summer of Code program to develop it May 23 15:09:11 s/god/got May 23 15:09:17 hello everybody, i tested an example "Listening for connection events" from Maemo Connectivity Guide using Libconic but always i receive same request "disconnect". and i would like know how can i test internet connection from scratchbox? does somone have an idea? May 23 15:09:49 qwerty: It is kinda limited even with a BT keyboard =( May 23 15:09:50 mourad, from what I can tell, scratchbox doesn't do internet. Best I get to run is wget. May 23 15:10:04 RST38h, How come? :) (never tried btw) May 23 15:10:12 qwerty: lags a lot May 23 15:10:16 Ah, ok May 23 15:10:28 And I found that it is not BT connection quality but the total CPU load that causes problems May 23 15:10:55 Still, it will get you by if you REALLY need to edit a document May 23 15:10:59 CPU load stuff really sucks on tablets, even my application manager locks up rest of the system :/ May 23 15:11:19 qwerty: that is not much of a problem May 23 15:11:37 qwerty: but then thing lags when redrawing reasonably large GTK widget hierarchies May 23 15:12:00 And that is real pain because the whole UI starts lagging May 23 15:12:02 RST38h: actually, it's scheduler again:P May 23 15:12:02 :( May 23 15:12:20 m-c: great link; imo notecase might be more to what I'd be looking for May 23 15:12:22 on my desktop, <2.6.23 lagged a lot on load too May 23 15:12:28 on core2 May 23 15:12:34 newer ones don't May 23 15:12:52 AStorm: they should have just used netBSD core =) May 23 15:12:58 nope May 23 15:13:05 it's even worse :P May 23 15:13:22 they should've used a newer version of Linux May 23 15:14:18 BSD has historically been very good at handling interactive tasks May 23 15:14:42 yup May 23 15:14:59 qwerty12: ok but how can i proceed using "system D-BUS" with C or Python May 23 15:15:05 RST38h: you must be kidding May 23 15:15:20 he's not May 23 15:15:29 I use these various BSD May 23 15:15:30 AStorm: No. I have used it for years. It NEVER lags May 23 15:15:40 they suck at interactivity May 23 15:15:45 But with Linux you could immediately tell that the system is busy May 23 15:15:48 they don't lag May 23 15:16:03 because they have input as a kernel thread May 23 15:16:12 they suck in all other ways May 23 15:16:17 You mean, they do not have the latest bunch of eyecandies installed by default? =) May 23 15:16:26 no May 23 15:16:36 BSDs did not lag long before kernel threads even appeared May 23 15:16:39 I mean they're horribly choppy under load May 23 15:16:48 definitely not my experience May 23 15:16:52 as in, sound skips May 23 15:16:52 AStorm, nope. Linux is.. May 23 15:16:57 I do agree with RST38h May 23 15:17:19 anidel: you can't scam me, I use all the BSDs for server work May 23 15:17:31 and these have X May 23 15:17:36 one is a terminal server May 23 15:17:45 I used BSD a lot along with Linux and I found BSD ALWAYS more responsive on have loads May 23 15:17:47 they suck at it, really May 23 15:18:05 I've tried Free,Net and Open BSD they all behaved better than Linux May 23 15:18:12 anidel: try 2.6.23 or newer May 23 15:18:20 in fact I would have installed BSD on my laptop wasn't it for Maemo May 23 15:18:22 old O(1) sched sucks May 23 15:18:36 or Staircase for 2.6.21 May 23 15:18:52 or RSDL (both Con Kolivas work) May 23 15:18:53 didn't compare latest Linux kernel with latest BSD May 23 15:19:02 Well, never Linux version ARE better May 23 15:19:16 Than old Linux versions that is May 23 15:19:21 anyone here use osso xterm? May 23 15:19:21 there's a backport of CFS to 2.6.21, from 2.6.24-rcx May 23 15:19:27 than bSD too May 23 15:19:30 Haven't compared them to latest BSDs though May 23 15:19:36 ever tried timidity on bsed? May 23 15:19:37 CFS ? crypto file system of what ? May 23 15:19:47 i need to enter righht square bracket May 23 15:19:53 anidel: Completely (sic) Fair Scheduler May 23 15:20:01 AStorm: Audio problems may just occur because of an audio driver May 23 15:20:04 Ponly Dragonfly is good enough May 23 15:20:10 RST38h: they don't May 23 15:20:11 AStorm, oh .) May 23 15:20:12 :) May 23 15:20:14 and have limited bandwidth May 23 15:20:25 emu10k is good on BSD May 23 15:20:26 timeless, n800 or n810 ? May 23 15:20:35 n810 May 23 15:20:35 timeless, I thought we all use osso-xterm :P May 23 15:20:48 timeless, so the CHR key is your friend :) May 23 15:21:00 w/ the 800 the soft keyboads offer it May 23 15:21:04 anidel no May 23 15:21:11 timeless, what ? I do have them May 23 15:21:18 it doesn't open the dialog inhis ver May 23 15:21:28 timeless: or write your own keymap May 23 15:21:30 as I did May 23 15:21:42 timeless, in which ver ? May 23 15:21:47 astorm.... May 23 15:21:59 have a Polish one for German layout May 23 15:22:02 anidel slightly before 42 May 23 15:22:13 it's excellent May 23 15:22:45 i could also switch to my e61i where the chr key works.... May 23 15:22:58 timeless, I don't know what you're talking about, but if that's a different version I have here, you could try enabling to on-screen keyboard May 23 15:22:59 ha ha... darius... you tripper May 23 15:23:09 that's because hildom-im is stupid May 23 15:23:38 osk causes reflows which are very dangerous for screened irc sessions May 23 15:23:40 it only binds to gtk apps May 23 15:23:53 gotta leave for a minute May 23 15:24:16 timeless: did I mention rewriting the keymap? it's easy! May 23 15:24:26 make chnr another modifier :) May 23 15:24:31 *chr May 23 15:30:20 wonder why Nokia didn't do that from the start May 23 15:30:31 just so i can do one task once that i coujld do w another devikce? May 23 15:30:45 the keys would have 4 marks on them May 23 15:30:56 have you seen the russian keylayout? May 23 15:30:59 timeless: forever :) May 23 15:31:08 timeless: not yet May 23 15:31:26 hrm, please say it exists May 23 15:32:15 it should, there is a keymap May 23 15:33:24 timeless: there is keymap for russian layout May 23 15:33:56 https://www.nokiausa.com/A4626059 May 23 15:34:07 if only nokia had the lovey-dovey fanbase of apple ... thffffpt ;^)> May 23 15:34:10 HW keyboard variants: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish-Portuguese, Scandinavian and Russian May 23 15:34:39 the russian variant has one extra thing shown May 23 15:34:42 i mean, there might be more people buying N8**s and more momentum about stuff like getting abiword working, etc May 23 15:35:17 does abiword work on the iphone? May 23 15:36:09 timeless: dunno, i doubt it. was reading, today, the blog of some guy utterly praising the iphone and deriding the n810, all I know of it hehe May 23 15:36:19 Yes, the Russian one allows switching between Russian and Eng. layouts. May 23 15:36:40 Both as a toggle and then temporarily for one or two characters. May 23 15:36:58 gimmal: another guy who got the buyer's syndrome? May 23 15:37:12 AStorm: well, the n810 he got was given to him, he mentioned -- granted, as "payment" for somesuch whatever, but he didn't pay money for it directly. and so he derides it May 23 15:37:34 roope, which key nis used for those? May 23 15:37:44 thffffffffffffffpt, about all I can say now; left a comment mentioning that my own experiences with the n810 were not that bad, now just thffffffffffpt ;^)> May 23 15:38:26 ~hildon May 23 15:38:33 ~maemo May 23 15:38:34 from memory, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/ May 23 15:38:55 hildon could be http://live.gnome.org/Hildon/TwoPointZero perhaps? May 23 15:39:03 gimmal: hildon is Nokia GTK mobile extension May 23 15:39:13 timeless: The Chr key is used there quite much. May 23 15:39:54 So, did he find the CHR key? May 23 15:39:56 Chr + alphabet key in Russian inputs the English character, Chr + alphabet in English inputs the Russian one. (it's a special case kinda). May 23 15:40:03 AStorm: ok; maybe someone has the auth to put that URL into the bot though, I thought - was wondering what hildon was, given that Xournal needed it (found out that I have to flash/update my N810 now, woohoo hehe) May 23 15:40:07 Chr + Ctrl toggles between English and Russian. May 23 15:40:30 In normal devices Chr+E runs through é, è, ë etc. May 23 15:40:50 ahah, that's what the Chr button is for; kewl May 23 15:40:51 or Ä™ in my keymap May 23 15:41:04 ε is fn+chr :> May 23 15:41:04 and of course just Chr gives the onscreen special character view. May 23 15:41:31 I disabled that May 23 15:41:41 so now I can use it with accessx stickykeys May 23 15:41:41 if I was suddently given a month of from work, I'd port Eclipse IDE to OS2008 man I love dreaming hehe May 23 15:42:05 Urgh May 23 15:42:18 EclipseIDE May 23 15:42:45 id10t May 23 15:42:57 there's no java yet May 23 15:43:00 This is probably a rare case: if anybody wants to blame the 810 device HW keyboard not having a tab key, now it's really 100% fair to blame me. :D May 23 15:43:04 roope: ahah, I see; it's only useful when a text input widget is up, so it only works then, I guess May 23 15:43:05 we'd need gcj and ecj May 23 15:43:24 roope: it's easy to add May 23 15:43:25 AStorm: no java? how does flash work then? May 23 15:43:26 gimmal: Yeah. Keybaord is for text input. May 23 15:43:33 I've it on chr+space May 23 15:43:35 err May 23 15:43:44 gimmal: flash != java May 23 15:43:53 tab is useful in dialogs and web pages May 23 15:44:03 timeless: or irc :> May 23 15:44:14 AStorm: indeed, but afaik, flash req'd java support to work May 23 15:44:18 AStorm: there is Flash, see jalimo. And you don't need gcj to run Eclipse *and* there's the eRCP to build on May 23 15:44:25 no, who told you that? May 23 15:44:28 gimmal: no, Flash doesn't need a Java runtime. May 23 15:45:12 AStorm: anecodtal evidence, hehe -- it was just an impression./ I thought that the Flash browser plugin needed a java browser plugin May 23 15:45:15 tab's also very useful in a shell - and X Terminal gets shipped by default May 23 15:45:39 Jaffa: :) May 23 15:45:44 *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to OFF May 23 15:45:52 yes, they should mod the keymap May 23 15:45:52 *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to ON May 23 15:45:54 thought I saw someone mentioning Eclipse's SWT worked on the N810, fwiw May 23 15:46:04 that's what tab does here May 23 15:46:06 e.g. fn+space = tab May 23 15:46:07 roope: argh you then but not for lack of tab but for two lshift keys May 23 15:46:11 someone in web-land, sure May 23 15:46:13 fn+shift+space = tab May 23 15:46:14 i'd hardly call it useful May 23 15:46:22 gimmal: SWT can indeed run on the N810. Google: jalimo May 23 15:46:29 fn+shift+space = pipe obvioulsy :P May 23 15:46:48 hrw: I won't take the blame for that. :) But I didn't implement shifts. May 23 15:46:51 I just wanted two. May 23 15:46:52 jalimo, yes, I recall having read of that; so, it's not java, but it's jalimo, is that a safe conclusion? May 23 15:46:57 btw, anyhwone here in berlin? May 23 15:47:10 gimmal: No, Jalimo is a package which bundles Java May 23 15:47:10 roope: but why both are LShift? why not LShift + RShift May 23 15:47:20 rshift would be nice. I guess. ... If ... Well. Actually I don't care about lshift and rshift. May 23 15:47:31 But yeah, they could be. May 23 15:47:34 heh May 23 15:47:35 I hadn't even noticed that. May 23 15:47:36 hrw: an oversight May 23 15:47:40 hrw: so both shifts generate the same scancode?! May 23 15:47:45 So you might say that ... It's the first time I've even heard that. May 23 15:47:46 Jaffa: yes ;( May 23 15:48:13 roope: I would be able to use RShift as LAlt for example... May 23 15:48:24 roope, my main gripe is the \/()* rotation between hw layouts May 23 15:48:33 absolutely stupid May 23 15:48:36 timeless: What do you mean? May 23 15:48:52 in some hw layouts it's that May 23 15:48:54 roope: see German vs English May 23 15:49:06 the fn part is somewhat different May 23 15:49:15 burp obex is cool burp ;^P> May 23 15:49:17 Yes. May 23 15:49:34 in a pointless way too May 23 15:49:42 in others it's *\/() May 23 15:49:52 Have you looked at a german and english full keyboard side by side? May 23 15:49:58 or %\/() May 23 15:50:15 roope: I did, they're almost the same May 23 15:50:19 woop notecase successfully installed May 23 15:50:34 astorm: Well, that's not really true. May 23 15:50:37 ROOPE: What I would really like to crucify you for (if keyboard is your thing) is lack of the digit keys and an unusable directional pad May 23 15:50:43 yes May 23 15:50:45 English keyboard puts for instance ? / into quite different places. May 23 15:50:51 they have special keys moved May 23 15:50:58 rst38h: Sorry, not responsible for the mechanics. May 23 15:51:05 (I do agree that they aren't good.) May 23 15:51:06 and punctuation May 23 15:51:24 roope: Nokia E70 had them just right, why changing them? May 23 15:51:32 we could use some dots on f and j May 23 15:51:49 and maybe emboss on shift May 23 15:51:52 rst38h: It's... an interesting question. May 23 15:51:56 and ctrl May 23 15:52:02 Dots would make it hard to slide in. May 23 15:52:20 I keep missing them in the dark, pressing fn or right shift instead May 23 15:52:31 bye guys - have a nice weekend May 23 15:52:38 cya hrw May 23 15:53:01 hi there May 23 15:53:13 hello May 23 15:53:27 Then again, no Nokia device has ... (I guess) the exact same kind of keypad area. It's a company thingy. May 23 15:53:42 Just look at any phone. There's always some new material or layout or whatever. May 23 15:54:02 heh, 'differentiation' May 23 15:54:11 N810 has the exact same mechanics as N95 May 23 15:54:23 which are worse than E70 May 23 15:54:37 astorm: Well..... May 23 15:54:39 not much though May 23 15:56:32 I'm having some troubles to setting up a chinook rootstrap on sbox2, all the steps of instalations os going fine, but when I try af-sb-init start, I get a "/etc/osso-af-init/dbus-systembus.sh: line 37: /usr/bin/scratchbox-launcher.sh: No such file or directory" error May 23 15:56:46 I still think the mechanics are excellent for such a tiny keyboard May 23 15:57:06 E70 has a nice keyboard, yes. May 23 15:57:26 But we can still do better. May 23 15:58:08 yep May 23 15:58:25 the dir key should be broken into sections May 23 15:58:32 guys, is there a way to get ldd on the n800? May 23 15:58:53 simboss: by installing binutils May 23 15:59:06 thx May 23 15:59:08 :-) May 23 15:59:17 * mgedmin uses this hack May 23 15:59:23 LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 /lib/ld-linux.so.3 "$1" May 23 15:59:38 put it in an executable shell script called 'ldd' and stick it into your $PATH May 23 15:59:59 I seems to already have May 23 16:00:04 binutils installed May 23 16:00:12 but no ldd in the path May 23 16:00:20 * lardman|home reads reply from Darius Jack with surprise, I always thought he was a bot May 23 16:00:24 blah, nokia charger is driving me nuts with its hifreq squeal May 23 16:00:35 and some "pingy" sound May 23 16:01:35 I think it's 15 kHz May 23 16:02:46 fwiw, notecase is a pretty cool lil app May 23 16:03:16 screenshot? May 23 16:03:43 hmm, shortly... May 23 16:04:09 got a few of 'em at http://notecase.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html May 23 16:05:10 * gimmal is going to get a "web 2.0" tatoo. ride the lightening y'all ... thfpt May 23 16:06:08 it really is May 23 16:06:09 gimmal: oh, nice May 23 16:07:42 guys, sorry to bother, I used the ld-linux hack May 23 16:07:49 as a replacement for ldd May 23 16:07:53 but i get this May 23 16:07:55 ../../lib/libkdu_v52R.so: error while loading shared libraries: ../../lib/libkdu May 23 16:07:56 _v52R.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted May 23 16:08:02 ani hints? ;-( May 23 16:12:12 simboss: I'm not familiar with ld, but if I was I might ask what your ld-linux hack was for, like what it did that plain ld didn't hehe May 23 16:12:17 mmmmhh I guess the problem is that the liv I created did not have x permission May 23 16:12:47 ahaha, sounds good to know hehe May 23 16:12:57 mgedmin suggested to use /lib/ld-linux.so.3 instead of ldd May 23 16:13:11 wdf, chmod +x is not working :-( May 23 16:13:15 hey, someone should pay Matt Groening to have Homer use an N810 May 23 16:13:37 "doh! portable youtube doh!" May 23 16:13:54 matt groening <-> simpsons creator ; pardon the running dribble here May 23 16:14:25 simboss: does the user you're running it as have ownership of the file? May 23 16:14:32 gimmal: while using Canola :) May 23 16:14:39 good question May 23 16:14:43 I am runnign as root May 23 16:14:53 with r&d mode activated May 23 16:15:11 checking... May 23 16:15:12 nope the owner is user May 23 16:15:13 simboss: he's wrong, it won't work May 23 16:15:22 the support isn't built in May 23 16:15:28 AStorm: hmm .. not familiar with Canola, 'cept that there's an oil named like so hehe May 23 16:15:32 :) May 23 16:15:46 AStorm: what do you mean? May 23 16:15:50 gimmal: an excellen media manager/player May 23 16:15:58 simboss: :P May 23 16:16:19 AStorm: ah, cool May 23 16:17:32 simboss: 'ldd' is a shell script on my desktop linux May 23 16:17:38 what I pasted here is a short version of that May 23 16:17:51 all the logic is done by the dynamic linker (/lib/ld-linux.so) anyway May 23 16:18:08 mgedmin: thx for that, I did as you suggested :-) May 23 16:18:40 I am past that now :-) May 23 16:19:08 but actually I can't understand why the created .so does not have X fle permission May 23 16:19:41 .so files normally aren't executable May 23 16:21:56 most of them inside the /ur/lib dir are exec and I found a suggestion about May 23 16:22:23 when this flag is missing ld-linux woruld die May 23 16:23:18 Any interested in packaging a voice conferencing software, Mumble ? :] >> http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ May 23 16:23:40 May 23 16:23:40 May 23 16:23:40 ERC> so, with the maemo sdk installed, would I be able to 1) install jalimo under scratchbox, then 2) check and see if eclipse works under scratchbox, and if it doesn't, then find out why not and fix it? May 23 16:23:48 sorry about the blank puts May 23 16:24:11 had to restart the erc connection - for some unspecified reason the owner of the proxy box restarted it again ;^P> May 23 16:24:33 m-c: I'm sure people would be happy with a tarball in the absence of a .deb May 23 16:26:01 gimmal: You don't even need to try under scratchbox. Scratchbox is a cross-compiler, but since Eclipse is all Java, you should be good to go May 23 16:26:03 Ish May 23 16:26:15 lardman|home: the application is already packaged by debian and ubuntu May 23 16:26:23 (separately) May 23 16:27:14 m-c: in which case just copy their patches and use those to do the packaging May 23 16:27:36 m-c: I hate packaging things too, but the debian tools do make it reasonably straight forward May 23 16:27:40 ok, scratchbox isn't an emulator, got it hehe May 23 16:27:59 is there an n810 or OS2008 emulator in the maemo toolkit? May 23 16:32:15 gimmal: yes, qemu-arm May 23 16:32:51 AStorm: ahaha, thanks May 23 16:33:15 maybe Xen might be able to make an Arm VM? May 23 16:33:19 as another option I mean May 23 16:33:24 no May 23 16:33:43 Sun Microsystems is all getting up on the Xen thing .. something they're releasing newly is based on Xen, fwiw May 23 16:33:46 Xen is paravirtualization, not emulation May 23 16:34:20 AStorm: ok, qemu - and thank you seriously for that distinction, it explains it in frank succintness heh May 23 16:35:04 ok, so xen running linux running qemu-arm muahahah >:^) May 23 16:36:08 sounds kind of redundant, I guess, but it got xen worked in there somehow >;^) May 23 16:38:16 <||cw> now try linux running xen running vmware workstation running esx running linux running qemu May 23 16:38:22 * ||cw hides May 23 16:40:14 m-c: mumble looks like it needs Qt, have you used the new Qt libs to compile it? May 23 16:40:45 ||CW duuuuuude, that has so many levels hey, pass it around -- muahehehee May 23 16:41:07 hmmm - no Qt libraries ? May 23 16:41:16 that's so bizarre May 23 16:41:54 ... being ... that ... nokia ... OWNS the Qt company May 23 16:41:57 <||cw> as crazy as it sounds, esx does run under vmware workstation intentionally, as long as your cpu has vt or amdv support, so one can demo esx on a single laptop May 23 16:42:35 * gimmal doesn't know esx. it sounds like esa, afaik. a european satellite company hehehehehe May 23 16:43:09 <||cw> esx is vmware's dedicated hypervisor product May 23 16:43:12 m-c: a) Trolltech purchase is recent, b) there are Qt libraries, they're just not shipped by default (yet) May 23 16:43:23 m-c: http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ May 23 16:43:43 ||cw: ahah, ok. rock on vmware May 23 16:44:15 hope Maemo takes advantage of that Trolltech relationship within Nokia to the fullest. May 23 16:45:04 wdf, why the heck chmod+x does not work on my n800 :-( May 23 16:45:06 yeah, by killing Qt and making C++ gtk wrappers much better May 23 16:45:10 What? More fugly UIs, less space on the built-in flash due to all the extra libsm etc ? May 23 16:45:11 :P May 23 16:45:32 There is so much more that maemo needs than being able to develop apps in Qt May 23 16:45:35 simboss: chmod +x May 23 16:45:45 but, it's busybox chmod May 23 16:45:52 <||cw> simboss: on mmc the filesys is fat by default and thus doens't hold permissions May 23 16:45:55 try chmod 766 thatfile May 23 16:46:02 ah, that too May 23 16:46:15 <||cw> just in case... May 23 16:46:19 you can allow exec there by modding /usr/sbin/mmc-mount May 23 16:46:27 ||cw, you got me May 23 16:46:36 I am an idiot not only a newbie :-) May 23 16:47:14 si there any doc anywhere for this? May 23 16:47:40 hmm? May 23 16:47:44 why do you need them? May 23 16:47:56 just remove noexec from options there May 23 16:48:11 idk why Nokia chose to make the partition noexec May 23 16:48:13 fwiw, somewhere out there in "whenever land", someone could make a plugin for Eclipse (IDE, yah) such that would allow the user to readily create and distribute an OS2008-ready debian package, with Maemo install file May 23 16:48:58 gimmal: someone could May 23 16:49:08 Astorm: how do I remove noexec options? May 23 16:49:08 but why? May 23 16:49:08 fwiw, I could start thinking on it myself, but I'm not sure all of what will be required for it -- like, how debian under os 2008 differs from debian etch, heh, and how the install stuff works, and the package system May 23 16:49:21 simboss: edit /usr/sbin/mmc-mount May 23 16:49:49 (there's vi on the tablet, you can install nano too) May 23 16:49:51 AStorm: it's noexec cos VFAT can't distinguish the exec bit. So without noexec, *everything* becomes executable on the MMC May 23 16:50:10 Jaffa: is that bad? I don't think so. May 23 16:50:16 * gimmal would do it out of want to use Eclipse IDE for java programming projects. maybe it could be useful for C++ projects, too, given that there are already C++ plugins for eclipse May 23 16:50:18 afaik May 23 16:50:41 being able to manage the distribution as well as the programming and complation frome eclipse could be ideal, imo May 23 16:50:47 Astorm: using vi May 23 16:51:07 AStorm: you're not a typical user though - and this is a consumer device (or at least practice for one) May 23 16:51:29 heh, user will run stuff from the menu anyway May 23 16:51:34 so no point May 23 16:52:15 * gimmal cringes at the thought of xemacs on a tablet. should be far worse than OOo hehe. no "meta" key on that keyboard... May 23 16:52:28 * Jaffa shrugs - not my decision; just attempting to explain it. Personally, I can't understand why - as a user - I can't switch 12/24 hour clock, so noexec is the least of my concerns ;-) May 23 16:52:33 gimmal: wrong, there's escape May 23 16:52:52 Jaffa: you can :> May 23 16:53:12 AStorm: hm, would that be the arrow-pointing-up key? May 23 16:53:24 curled arrow, yes May 23 16:53:26 AStorm: not in the built-in clock, I can't. May 23 16:53:51 Jaffa: yes, nokia can't use locales properly May 23 16:54:04 AStorm: yeah, I know. May 23 16:54:32 Fudging LC_TIME is sub-optimal in other ways (and not exactly user friendly either) May 23 17:00:55 AStorm: edited mmc-mount now what? :-) May 23 17:01:27 Are there issues with connecting a VoIP call with Speex libraries?? May 23 17:01:43 reboot or remount the given partition May 23 17:01:59 do I have to remount manullay May 23 17:02:00 e.g. by removing and replugging mmc card May 23 17:02:07 as is that done automatically May 23 17:02:09 ah k May 23 17:02:11 :-) May 23 17:02:41 btw thx for the hekp! May 23 17:26:24 hi May 23 17:27:14 hulloa May 23 17:35:45 hey all May 23 17:36:01 'evenin May 23 17:36:13 * gimmal is away - burger king, mmm modern health food May 23 17:38:09 I'm looking at the nokia N810 is maemo a good os, could i run python 2,5 ? May 23 17:38:26 ceej: yes May 23 17:38:30 pymaemo.garage.maemo.org May 23 17:39:14 one young girl is able to one young girl is able to hang several computers by asking one little question. May 23 17:39:16 nice :) May 23 17:39:58 Stskeeps: so can it run any app i could run on ubuntu ? May 23 17:40:10 the question is: how much is 1/2^2000 in numbers May 23 17:41:12 ceej: depends on the libraries the python app uses i guess :P May 23 17:41:30 oilinki: simple question :P May 23 17:41:50 hmmm I'm looking at getting this over the oqo :) May 23 17:41:53 do the division in binary May 23 17:41:59 AStorm: yes :) I tried it out with bc.. May 23 17:42:02 anyone had experience with both ? May 23 17:42:09 then convert to decimal May 23 17:42:53 AStorm: try it out with your computer :) May 23 17:50:49 AStorm: still no joy; I edited mmc-mount, shut the thing down, removed the card, rebooted and then put the card back... :-( May 23 17:51:36 oilinki: it's very simple May 23 17:51:41 just don't use bc for it May 23 17:52:17 it's 0.0000000...00001 :P May 23 17:52:27 convert to decimal then May 23 18:02:29 in reality it's 0, but that can really hand the computer pretty well May 23 18:03:27 it's not 0 May 23 18:03:42 it's a tiny frrrrrrrrrrraction May 23 18:05:00 it's the percent of a chance i have for getting a date with carmen diaz, I think May 23 18:05:30 but you can always hope for that 0000000...00001 May 23 18:05:30 er May 23 18:05:31 flipping erc May 23 18:05:49 you can always hope for that 0.0000000...00001% May 23 18:05:55 ::fiendish grin:: May 23 18:07:18 it doesn't end with 1 May 23 18:07:22 it does with 5 May 23 18:07:55 let me abuse some CPU to get it :p May 23 18:11:29 ...so what you're saying is, I have a bigger chance of getting a date with carmen diaz than I thought? dude, awesome !!! heh May 23 18:16:34 to baldly go where Cameron Diaz has gone before May 23 18:20:12 to boldly go where NO Cameron Diaz has gone before! May 23 18:20:35 to a LUG? May 23 18:21:53 I mean this one. http://www.thedailygoss.com/_assets/images/cameron_diaz_1_wenn1879108-190-150-TemplateImage1.jpg May 23 18:31:30 gimmal, yes you have a great chance of getting a date with carmen diaz, cameron diaz however might be out of your league May 23 18:33:20 anyone want to sum up 19 pages of yabbing and tell me why the itt article about software section swas deleted? May 23 18:38:51 wasn't Diablo suppose to release today? May 23 18:39:54 Cptn: Duplicating Maemo repositories with a second distribution method has been found unwise May 23 18:39:59 ) May 23 18:40:17 * Nermal plays with debian on his n800 :) May 23 18:40:44 RST38h: lol i thought so May 23 18:49:07 Which CPU has N810 exactly? OMAP 2420, 2430 or 3430? May 23 18:49:49 arml6 May 23 18:50:00 * Mousey doesn't know wtf he's talking about May 23 18:50:34 2420. May 23 18:50:52 TI OMAP 2420 May 23 18:52:34 * Nermal attempts to get a rotating cube on his n800 :) May 23 18:53:11 * zap hopes the full specs on 2420 are freely available May 23 18:54:11 i think not May 23 18:54:21 it also uses a closed wifi chipset May 23 18:54:27 conexant i think May 23 18:54:35 wifi has nothing to do with omap 2420 May 23 18:55:08 nah, im just saying nokia seems to be using a lot of closed hw May 23 18:55:20 so my guess is you wont find any detailed datasheets for omap 2420 May 23 18:55:37 but there are opensource drivers for most of omap 2420 already May 23 18:57:37 well, I just want to look what's inside it May 23 18:57:50 it says it has some kind of 3D accelerator which does 2000000 polys/second May 23 18:59:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR May 23 18:59:57 zap: yep, powervr May 23 19:00:09 which is actually specialized arm, right? May 23 19:00:15 hmm, it's good it's a widespread arch May 23 19:00:17 and there's IVA too May 23 19:00:24 what is IVA? May 23 19:00:30 zap: bad it's closed May 23 19:00:46 that's sad indeed. No opensource anything for powerVR? May 23 19:00:48 zap: Integrated Video Accelerator May 23 19:00:55 mmm May 23 19:00:59 or was it Architecture May 23 19:01:01 both IVA & PowerVR inside? May 23 19:01:15 zap: it's the same chip I think May 23 19:01:27 so ITA is just another name for PowerVR? May 23 19:02:48 http://focus.ti.com/graphics/wtbu/blockdiagrams/l4_omap2420.gif May 23 19:03:50 no PowerVR here May 23 19:03:56 so it seems ITA is it May 23 19:06:39 zap: it's IVA May 23 19:06:45 PowerVR is closed May 23 19:06:54 indeed May 23 19:06:56 Nobody knows what its instruction set is May 23 19:07:06 but there are closed-source OpenGL ES drivers for portable devices May 23 19:07:09 Apparently, it is very secret May 23 19:07:25 Not even NDA gives access to it May 23 19:07:44 the right nda should. just getting that is the challenge. May 23 19:08:22 and it still doesn't give the community anything May 23 19:08:46 there should be nothing secret in it May 23 19:08:58 excepttttt the chip itself May 23 19:08:58 well if at least somebody could put a leg into the door and open the specs a little May 23 19:09:14 the block diagram shows _both_ a 2d/3d accelerator and the ITA. May 23 19:09:17 and implement a perhaps bad driver, the things could go easier May 23 19:09:20 like it was with SD May 23 19:09:58 * TimRiker nods. this is one of the open questions I have with TI at present. May 23 19:13:04 hehe May 23 19:13:05 http://airlied.livejournal.com/39506.html May 23 19:13:32 the guys tagged their kernel module with GPL license just to use a couple SYMBOL_EXPORT_GPL's ... May 23 19:25:29 regarding the pvr hardware, quim gil said that the nokia direction is quite clear by looking at other things and later this year we could see something May 23 19:25:49 (at the meeting last week) May 23 19:26:05 That sounds cool. May 23 19:26:29 I still very much wish for a NIT that does WiMAX unlicensed frequencies. Then I can set up my own base station at home. May 23 19:26:31 this sounds intricate May 23 19:26:32 well its not cool, its almost required: other nokia n series devices using the same hardware have pvr drivers May 23 19:26:54 shapr, the n810 wimax edition has already been announced May 23 19:26:55 I wish N810 had a tv out May 23 19:26:58 there is hw support May 23 19:27:10 I wish N810 would do what my PC does May 23 19:27:15 lcuk: Yeah, but the US version of it only uses the Sprint-licensed 2.5GHz band. May 23 19:27:15 but it's just not a PC :) May 23 19:27:25 zap: it doesn't? :P May 23 19:27:27 not quite, the 2420 has chips, there is no complete chipset on the mainboard to support it May 23 19:27:46 lcuk: A WiMAX base station that uses the *unlicensed* US frequencies is about $1500, which I could afford. May 23 19:27:48 2420 has tv out onchip * May 23 19:28:10 The FCC would throw me in jail if I tried to serve up WiMAX on the Sprint bands. May 23 19:28:27 simple solution, just buy sprint May 23 19:28:34 lcuk: Do you know if there will be a European WiMAX N810? May 23 19:28:35 lcuk: well, there's enough place to add an encoder May 23 19:28:42 to,say, svideo May 23 19:31:20 lcuk: I don't like to purchase service-provider-controlled devices :-/ May 23 19:31:30 serve it up on the 5.4GHz ISM band May 23 19:31:32 shapr, i dunno, but since it has info on the nokia european site i would go on a limb and say yer? May 23 19:31:37 Ah May 23 19:31:39 Good point! May 23 19:31:51 or put on 2.4GHz and run 100W...just broadcast your call sign on every packet and you should be fine May 23 19:32:19 ds3: afaik, the N810 wimax only handles the 2.5GHz band? May 23 19:32:33 DOH May 23 19:33:23 shapr, wimax is intended to be the data oriented version of a cell phone, i dont expect to own my own phone base station and i wouldnt expect to do same for wimax - afterall, you can still use wifi locally May 23 19:34:22 lcuk: That may be the intentions of others, but I was originally interested in wimax because then I could be a data/cell service provider for myself, and probably for a several mile radius area. May 23 19:34:33 It seems perfect for metro area networks. May 23 19:35:06 And, since the unlicensed freq wimax base stations are already for sale in the USA for about $1500, why not? May 23 19:35:58 why not indeed, but i personally dont have a need for multi mile communication - 10ma wifi whispering is fine for me :) May 23 19:36:40 * lcuk would use wired connection if it was piggybacked onto the charger May 23 19:36:44 I live in an old house with thick walls, a recent and powerful wifi AP does not go more than two rooms over :-( May 23 19:36:53 some of the 802.11 rigs i've set up have multi-mile range anyway May 23 19:37:01 given its pretty much line of sight though May 23 19:37:09 pringles cans! May 23 19:37:17 more high tech than that May 23 19:37:22 directv dishes May 23 19:37:55 or chinese woks May 23 19:38:14 the chinese strainers are probally better May 23 19:38:23 I wonder if the WiMAX transceiver is a software defined radio? Maybe it really could handle unlicensed freqs? May 23 19:38:25 those arent always parobolic, the strainers work better May 23 19:38:49 I had the great idea to build a cantenna for my N800 by just stuffing my N800 into the can! May 23 19:39:04 eyegh, .. mmmatrix bubble tank running drryyyyy... must sleep .... May 23 19:42:39 lol May 23 19:42:56 i modded my 770 with pigtails to connect an external antenna, that was fun May 23 19:45:08 Where is the antenna on the N800? May 23 19:45:28 btw, do you know if its possible to connect gps external antenna to n810? May 23 19:46:36 dont know, havent pulled mine apart yet May 23 19:46:57 why.. just get a BT GPS :) May 23 19:47:17 yeah, holux makes some amazing BT GPS units May 23 19:47:22 and you can get them on the cheap May 23 19:48:21 there is also apparantly work ongoing regarding the gps problems as well - though i have to say once it gets a lock it seems stable enough, its just that it takes for-frikkin-ever to get one May 23 19:50:11 oh? neat, I just wrote it off as poor hw and use it as a gadget rather than something useful, neat May 23 19:50:16 one thing about the gps that riled me, has anyone tried to use gps outside their home country? May 23 19:50:42 depends on what you mean, my n810 was bought in the states and used in sweden May 23 19:51:02 Fungerar bra? May 23 19:51:19 i went on holiday and after leaving it ALL afternoon sitting on the balcony to get a lock (which incidentally it didnt do until 5 minutes after i rebooted so there is some software problem...) May 23 19:51:27 " Works fine?" May 23 19:51:33 shapr: yeah, once it locks on May 23 19:51:37 well it got a lock and told me my location but the map was blank May 23 19:51:51 so i zoomed out, and england is all on its own! May 23 19:51:53 Part of the problem is the GPS protocol itself, there is a minimum lock-on time. May 23 19:51:54 lcuk: ok, I've only used maemomapper May 23 19:52:10 shapr: well, 10 minutes is far beyond minimum :) May 23 19:52:20 True that! May 23 19:52:28 Knirch: Talar du svenska? May 23 19:52:46 "< shapr> Knirch: Do you speak swedish?" May 23 19:52:48 yes May 23 19:52:52 shapr: please keep it english May 23 19:52:55 sorry May 23 19:52:56 there is an amount of information which must be downloaded from visible sats if the position data is out of date, but that infromation repeats ~20minutes, that should be the total maximum time for any gps with a clear view of the sky May 23 19:53:03 international channel :) May 23 19:53:07 Yeah, I guess so. May 23 19:53:16 shapr: I'm swedish, yes May 23 19:53:20 Ah, I'm from Alabama. May 23 19:53:27 The Swedish speaking part, of course ;-) May 23 19:53:34 * lcuk is used to swedish chans - direct connect was a blessing May 23 19:54:00 * qwerty12_N800 doesn't have to use x-term to edit rc2 : http://i30.tinypic.com/iokqhj.jpg w00t :) May 23 19:54:04 there's a swedish speaking part in alabama? surreal May 23 19:54:17 Knirch: It's a joke! May 23 19:54:37 hahahah, ok :) May 23 19:55:27 qwerty12_N800, that looks decent :) May 23 19:55:37 I mean, why the hell not, enough swedes moved to amerika back in the day, some might have started a religious fanatic cult town which only allows swedish May 23 19:56:16 better than the jedis i suppose May 23 19:56:21 hahah May 23 19:56:26 I live in Boston at the moment, as far as I can tell there aren't any Swedish speaking communities in the USA. May 23 19:56:38 I did find a bunch of Scandinavian expats around here though, that was cool. May 23 19:56:39 lcuk, hope so :), haven't tried it yet. found it somehow in nokia repos... May 23 19:56:40 nahhh, you arent looking hard enough May 23 19:57:34 http://www.saccofnc.org/ close enough :) May 23 19:57:42 shapr: you used to date souwh, didn't you? May 23 19:57:49 * Stskeeps remembers some nick May 23 19:57:49 :P May 23 19:58:07 minnesota is very swede and norwegian, also lots of east europeans May 23 19:58:23 Stskeeps: yes May 23 19:58:25 evening pupnik May 23 19:58:37 have you decided if you are taking your bike yet May 23 19:58:37 Stskeeps: Surprising to meet you here. May 23 19:58:53 shapr: I bet there's atleast one swedish speaking community in minnesota May 23 19:58:54 no bike, berlin guy said it is not a bike friendly town May 23 19:59:01 Knirch: Wow, I didn't know that. May 23 19:59:06 shapr: i'm a computer scientist with a fetish for tablets, ofcourse i'm here May 23 19:59:06 :P May 23 19:59:23 Ok then! May 23 19:59:28 doh, pupnik mentioned minnesota May 23 19:59:34 * Knirch slow May 23 19:59:58 shapr: of course there is: Minnesota is in the middle of where people from the nordic countries went. May 23 20:00:16 pupnik, shame May 23 20:00:17 9.9% of population in minnesota is swedish-american according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_American May 23 20:00:35 * qwerty12_N800 would have prefered to have stayed in the nordic countries if i was from there May 23 20:00:48 meh May 23 20:00:51 qwerty: Wasn't as easy 150 years ago. May 23 20:01:00 Nordic countries was quite poor back then. May 23 20:01:05 150 years ago america was the light of liberty May 23 20:01:07 yer dialup is a bitch May 23 20:01:10 except for blacks May 23 20:01:47 wow, 30% of north dakotas white populous is of norwegian heritage May 23 20:02:01 someone distract me fast, got stuck on wikipedia :( May 23 20:02:14 or native indians or anyone who didnt agree May 23 20:02:26 150 years ago? May 23 20:02:37 Not if you are negro or chinaman or catholic May 23 20:02:40 no Knirch, you shall remain there for the next 3 days until your brain can no longer hold any more information May 23 20:03:23 Isn't North Dakota one of those states that have 3-digit license plates? May 23 20:04:13 i'm so offtopic hey lcuk, you're exposing some framebuffer stuff in your workshop right? May 23 20:04:25 so i can just say 'lcuk will talk about that' May 23 20:04:29 tsssssirrrp May 23 20:04:31 shapr: unless there was some truth to your joke, this could be interesting, first city to be mentioned concerning swedish characteristics is silverhill, Alabama.. May 23 20:04:34 GAH May 23 20:04:38 * Knirch closes browser May 23 20:04:41 i hope so yer, even if its just a passing "and the openness of the platform allows me to ..." May 23 20:05:11 well i'm going to complain about fps and vsync May 23 20:05:37 please add a2dp to that list although unrelated May 23 20:05:40 in the sense of 'here is an interesting opportunity for more research' May 23 20:06:14 but i have a feeling the audience is going to be us, and a few random passerby May 23 20:06:34 though EVERYONE at linuxtag should be interested in the tablets :) May 23 20:07:07 Knirch: That's bizarre! May 23 20:07:11 :P May 23 20:07:17 No one should be interested in the tabblets May 23 20:07:24 lol May 23 20:07:25 everyone run! May 23 20:07:31 linux proponents should May 23 20:07:38 Nu-uh May 23 20:07:38 i will have a better idea by the end of this weekend, its a long 3 days for me (bank holiday monday) before i have to nip into work on tuesday, but i should have my presentation sorted by then May 23 20:08:04 navi, you are right, no1 should be interested in a specific tablet device. touchscreens should be the norm May 23 20:08:12 i'm just looking forward to the dinner on thursday really May 23 20:10:08 im looking forward to all of it, its going to be good - i have my note taking capabilities and compilation on device and i can run applications at arbitary resolutions and have super smooth scrolling and nice cpu mode switching and sketching and lego type building - ive got lots of things to put on a whizz bang show but would have prefered to have everything totally finished, but on a nighttime only schedule with family and life gett May 23 20:10:08 ing in the way its tough May 23 20:10:17 * lcuk undoes the wall of text May 23 20:10:24 :P May 23 20:10:48 bleh, tintin won't compile May 23 20:11:04 Oh, looks like it's just missing a semicolon >_> May 23 20:11:23 Weres my snowy!?! May 23 20:11:24 apt-get install herge May 23 20:12:30 :P May 23 20:12:34 I'll join linuxtag thursday night or friday, not sure yet May 23 20:12:56 I'll use my magical leenucks teleporter to get to linuxtag May 23 20:13:01 but someone has to take me home May 23 20:13:15 Ehh.. Ask a girl or something. May 23 20:13:19 ;) May 23 20:13:31 how are you going to get an image onto a projector lcuk? May 23 20:17:57 can any one reference abour a OS2008/maemo emulator for a PC? May 23 20:18:04 about* May 23 20:18:10 ? May 23 20:18:18 we use xephyr? May 23 20:18:19 or May 23 20:18:24 i guess thats an xserver May 23 20:18:32 hrw can get you a half/full broken one :p May 23 20:18:39 look at the maemo development SDK wiki May 23 20:18:50 it has some stuff about running maemo on PC May 23 20:18:51 i want to run a virtual N810 device May 23 20:18:56 yeah May 23 20:18:57 look at the topic of channel mike_11 May 23 20:19:00 look at the wiki May 23 20:19:03 heh May 23 20:19:04 k May 23 20:19:15 What I did was to install the diablo debs into chinook armel target, EXACTLY like my n800 with diablo May 23 20:20:29 well, im gonna look it up now, thanks May 23 20:21:38 getting the diablo debs, is,let's just say, a little on the hard as it's leaked beta with a password on the repo :/ May 23 20:22:18 mm May 23 20:22:37 is diablo out yet? May 23 20:22:48 is diablo any good then? will it make world peace? May 23 20:22:56 wait, May 23 20:23:10 i need to clear out what that is, May 23 20:23:26 Mango: it will make flaming frogs fly out of your ears May 23 20:23:31 looing at maemo.org May 23 20:23:31 [in other words, don't] May 23 20:23:42 oh May 23 20:24:07 is there fixed localepurge package for os2008? (stupid busybox) May 23 20:25:41 where is diablo written about? May 23 20:25:43 pupnik, not sure how im gonna project it.. May 23 20:26:22 lcuk, vnc? May 23 20:26:28 ill try taking a couple of movies later this weekend and see how they turn out May 23 20:26:42 am just installing x11vnc now (if i can find the repo) May 23 20:26:50 lcuk: i'll bring a hd cam i bought for it, with a cardboard box May 23 20:26:51 I think it was in extras May 23 20:26:58 and if it will transmit the xv overlay im rocking May 23 20:26:59 do you have usb networking going? May 23 20:27:03 no May 23 20:27:10 lcuk, google msaunby May 23 20:27:12 isnt wifi good enough May 23 20:27:12 ok May 23 20:27:24 you have ad-hoc working? May 23 20:27:52 yes May 23 20:28:17 so you could run synergy from laptop for demo, with a fixed camera on the tablet? May 23 20:28:59 i could, but since i havent ever run synergy before and would have to learn a new package to just find out if it works May 23 20:29:08 ok May 23 20:29:27 Weird. I was getting audio overruns just this morning, but it is working fine now May 23 20:29:28 i'll bring camera but no idea if it'll work with the projector May 23 20:29:37 CPU frequency got upped? May 23 20:30:09 hey RST38h do you wanna go instead of me? :/ May 23 20:30:53 rst, possibly, test using different settings by writing as root to: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor May 23 20:31:06 * qwerty12_N800 would go for Berlin, not for ltag :p May 23 20:31:11 use either "powersave" or "ondemand" or "performance" May 23 20:31:22 pwoersave = always slow May 23 20:31:28 ondemand = sometimes fast May 23 20:31:33 performance = always fast May 23 20:31:43 powersave May 23 20:31:51 ooh . . there goes the update applet. May 23 20:31:55 For certain values of fast. May 23 20:32:28 Navi, want some bug karma? May 23 20:32:57 very big values actually May 23 20:34:17 lcuk: /s/20min/12.5min May 23 20:34:58 20min? May 23 20:35:23 or is that really bad lag from something i said this afternoon :P May 23 20:35:31 Almanac repeat rate May 23 20:35:38 sorry, bit behind the times here :) May 23 20:35:40 Navi! May 23 20:35:52 btw lcuk i found a bunch of mp3s of presentations from various conferences, and generally the people are really bad speakers May 23 20:35:53 lcuk: yeah :) May 23 20:35:54 the development SDK talks about testing applications, running them emulated. May 23 20:36:01 GAN800, WHAT? May 23 20:36:01 in the linux world May 23 20:36:02 WHAT? May 23 20:36:52 well im hoping to do my best, ive seen enough TED presentations to know how its done, if i can even get 0.00001% of the information across then ive done well :) May 23 20:37:20 lardman i still know nothing about the almanac May 23 20:37:45 lcuk: specifics about the format of our one, or in general? May 23 20:38:08 can any one reference about Diablo and Chinook? May 23 20:38:20 and talking of presentations, what's the general form for the talks going to be? May 23 20:38:24 right, i now have context, about our schedule and tickets and stuff May 23 20:38:53 lcuk: you ok for the ticket? May 23 20:39:10 well i was thinking 5 minutes of chat followed by a 7 minute rant against microsoft and pvr whilst slowly unveiling a naked picture of RMS, but others might have different ideas May 23 20:39:35 no lardman, i havent heard back from them- could you resend please and i will do whats needed to print it out May 23 20:39:37 :) with driftnet running as the background wallpaper :) May 23 20:39:51 lcuk: ok, will do that now May 23 20:40:22 luck^: Are you giving a session/talk/bof or whatever you prefer calling it on the linuxtag meeting? May 23 20:40:32 Argh May 23 20:40:35 yes blah May 23 20:40:37 f May 23 20:40:52 np, missed your nick so it's fair that you did the same ;) May 23 20:41:02 lol May 23 20:41:02 On which day? Time? May 23 20:41:13 lcuk: can you send me your email again? May 23 20:41:24 thursday first session, im in the community update since i chat in here a lot May 23 20:41:42 Damn. =( May 23 20:41:43 ah, got it, don't worry May 23 20:41:56 and talking about my choice of device and reasons for getting it and hopefully run through some of the things ive been working towards May 23 20:42:25 lcuk: should be on it's way May 23 20:42:30 Sad.. Have to work on thursday and won't make it until late evening or next morning. Are you creating a video/live stream? ;-p May 23 20:43:16 lardman|away, don't run yet, i dont speak german May 23 20:43:29 how did you decipher it May 23 20:44:07 Hm? I can translate german stuff if you need something. May 23 20:44:20 well google is doing a fine job right now May 23 20:44:34 Good May 23 20:47:09 do i choose versenden or drucken, google cant pick up buttontext May 23 20:49:13 well that was difficult, good job i dont need to present in german May 23 20:49:49 Versenden = send May 23 20:49:52 Drucken = print May 23 20:50:42 thanks blaf, the red wire blue wire trick worked and i have a pdf now ;) May 23 20:51:37 What are you doing anyway? May 23 20:51:58 hi @ all May 23 20:52:25 who of you knows how to fix the problem with eclipse... May 23 20:53:17 the message ".... "feature.xml". [Not a valid zip file]" May 23 20:53:42 appears when i choose Help>Updates May 23 20:54:10 thopiekar: Are you sure that you are in the right channel? ;-) May 23 20:54:12 * I'm using the DeveloptingVmApplicance May 23 20:55:11 yeah etrunko from #canola said that i have to ask you... May 23 20:55:12 ^^ May 23 20:55:59 Anybody knows why sending a file through ssh to N810 (WiFi) is so damn slow? Top shows me that tee and wc eats about 100% of the CPU, and the speed is, say, 1-2k/s May 23 20:56:37 that confused the heck out of me, why would tee and wc be involved? May 23 20:57:17 mmm, perhaps that's the way Midnight Commander sends files through ssh? May 23 20:57:44 oh, that might be, try just using scp and see if that also suffers May 23 20:57:47 must try some sftp client, maybe it works in a different way May 23 20:58:02 ok i'm going to replace the .eclipse folder to .eclipse-backup May 23 20:58:14 lemme try scp some stuff on my n810 May 23 20:58:19 maybe it will disappear... May 23 20:59:25 indeed, sending through lftp works at 500k/s May 23 20:59:30 so it's mc actually... sad May 23 21:00:14 mc got ssh support? or are you using some scripts for it May 23 21:00:25 sure it has ssh support May 23 21:00:30 Shell link May 23 21:00:49 Wow, sbrsh sure is slow May 23 21:01:04 what is sbrsh? May 23 21:01:36 It's cpu transparency. It lets you run arm binaries on your tablet within scratchbox May 23 21:01:48 the idea is that qemu can't emulate everything with respect to an arm cpu May 23 21:01:59 and so some things need to be run directly on the tablet to compile May 23 21:03:02 So, for every request to run a binary... it contacts my n800 through ssh over a usb network, sets up an environment using nfs, runs the binary, and pipes the output back to my computer May 23 21:03:15 like I said, slow =/ May 23 21:03:52 zap: wow, yah, that was quite painful :) (using /sh#:host (shell link)) May 23 21:04:01 i get about 750 kb/s over scp and wifi on my n810, zap May 23 21:04:14 (it was painful on my thinkpad t40 even) May 23 21:13:07 anone have a link to pb's deb OS->card cloner? May 23 21:17:23 lcuk: sorry, I speak German May 23 21:17:54 wheee... found a source for mini-A to female full size A stub cables May 23 21:19:22 i have this usb gps, what are the chances i can get it running with the n810? it usually pops up as /dev/ttyUSB0 on a standard linux machine, and i think it uses the FTDI serial -> usb chipset internally.. anyone know if the n810 kernel has this module compiled in? May 23 21:20:06 i dont think it supports usbserial May 23 21:20:29 ds3: for Host mode on the N810? May 23 21:20:32 What's the dress code at LinuxTag? Looks like the Tuesday (which is as far as they want to predict so far) will be pretty warm (30C) May 23 21:20:45 s/tue/wed May 23 21:20:47 nomis: N800... the N810 takes a micro usb May 23 21:20:53 ds3: right. May 23 21:21:07 full beard, pink shorts and a worn out shirt May 23 21:21:13 lol May 23 21:21:18 ds3: that source doesn't happen to have these as well? :) May 23 21:21:22 dont forget a gnu cap May 23 21:21:30 nominally a worn out vendor shirt from another con May 23 21:21:48 what about when presenting? May 23 21:21:56 take the cap off? ;) May 23 21:22:01 slightly newer vendor shirt May 23 21:22:05 nomis: no, unfortunately. they do have USB - A to a mini A jack converters (the reverse direction) May 23 21:22:06 coffee mug May 23 21:22:16 lardman|gone: replace the cap with a cap with built-in propeller May 23 21:22:23 nominally coffee mug depicting perl camel or vi referrences May 23 21:22:37 Blastur: ok, so no need to pack a suit then May 23 21:22:47 right May 23 21:23:25 Anyone else here need a ticket by the way? May 23 21:24:15 i would but the bank turned down the loan for my private jet May 23 21:24:47 well you could offset the 25 Euros you'll save with a free ticket against it... :) May 23 21:26:05 you'd need these 25 bucks for the taxi, to get from the airport to the con ;) May 23 21:26:19 how much is the train? May 23 21:26:31 guenther: Berlin has nice communication May 23 21:26:38 lardman|home: which airport? May 23 21:26:48 oh, I was just joking :) May 23 21:27:03 Don't know how much the train would be either. May 23 21:27:17 lardman|home: there is express train from Texel to main train station (Hbf May 23 21:27:19 ) May 23 21:27:53 http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/englisch/tarife/index.htm May 23 21:27:58 hrw: thanks May 23 21:28:45 lardman|home: linuxtag is near S-Bahn and U-Bahn stations so it should be easy to get there from any place in Berlin May 23 21:29:07 hrw: cool May 23 21:29:20 Just got to work out how to get from the airport to our hotel May 23 21:29:21 :) May 23 21:29:40 officially S-Bahn is on ground and U-Bahn is underground but in center they both are mostly under May 23 21:29:40 s/our/my May 23 21:29:44 Right, that would be the most important part. May 23 21:29:54 if you're actually arriving in Tegel don't bother going to the main train station and then to Linuxtag. Would be a useless roundtrip. May 23 21:29:59 Once you're at your hotel, they definitely can tell you how to get to the con. May 23 21:30:18 I fly into Shoenenfeld May 23 21:30:45 I'm sure it will be easy enough anyway May 23 21:31:09 I drive to alexanderplatz - s-bahn there May 23 21:31:09 Schönefeld is the opposite end of the city :) May 23 21:31:49 On the plus side, the hotel is right on the way from the airport to con. ;) May 23 21:32:29 looking at http://www.s-bahn-berlin.de/pdf/S+U-Streckennetz_Innenstadt.pdf Linuxtag is at the "Messe Nord/ICC" station, next to "Westkreuz" at the western end of the circle around berlin. May 23 21:34:29 nomis: no other choice, cheaper and closer to me than flying from London May 23 21:39:19 yeah, sure. Just bad luck... No real traffic trouble though. May 23 21:42:48 ok so May 23 21:42:59 i wanna install the rotation thingy May 23 21:43:09 and then clone that to boot from card May 23 21:43:18 is there a tutorial online? May 23 21:43:25 (or 2) May 23 21:43:56 there is an installer and tut for rotation on the itt forums May 23 21:44:33 finding the link, one sec May 23 21:46:19 http://urltea.com/38jm n800n there you go, it says autorotate for the n810, but it also works on the n800 with optional software from the repo it adds May 23 21:46:25 sse2.net/rotate May 23 21:46:39 thanks May 23 21:46:45 yawn May 23 21:46:47 morning May 23 21:46:57 and then penguinbait's deb for cloning works 100 %? May 23 21:46:58 lardman, ive got the ticket now, and have (i think) everything i need - e-ticket for plane journeys (which ive never used before), e-ticket for hotel, and now e-ticket for linuxtag, all i need now is a decent presentation May 23 21:47:09 i best hibernate for the weekend - thank god its bank holiday May 23 21:48:05 n800n: if you do something stupid there is no such thing as 100% May 23 21:48:16 hi lcuk May 23 21:48:37 de...fine stupid May 23 21:48:40 Is there any news on softpoweroff in Diablo? The bug's supposedly been fixed for ages, but it's low-priority. May 23 21:49:07 hi kot :) had breakfast yet? May 23 21:49:12 not yet May 23 21:49:30 got up only recently May 23 21:49:35 johnny5 (my bug), still no fix May 23 21:49:46 mce is 1.7.19 May 23 21:49:57 i cant speak when ive just woke up, even irc comes out garbled May 23 21:50:11 Stupid nonsense, but I poked some internal people about it. May 23 21:50:14 (not much different to usual though..) May 23 21:50:45 :) May 23 21:51:05 bug fixed in November, but they're never gonna ship the goddamn fix. . . . May 23 21:52:08 a good bugfix needs time to bake May 23 21:52:29 though its smoking and crispy now May 23 21:52:43 * KotCzarny prefers pancakes May 23 21:52:45 and cheese May 23 21:53:18 can anyone recommend how to run an emolation of a N810 device? May 23 21:53:52 mike, scratchbox on my vmware starts up some xephry thing when i click the icon May 23 21:54:03 xepyhr May 23 21:54:12 or something like that... May 23 21:54:36 * lcuk has kicked his vmware addition now May 23 21:54:46 does in act as a fully functional device? with full OS/Desktop features? May 23 21:54:47 :) May 23 21:55:11 it* May 23 21:55:23 apparantly, but i never used it - i dont see the point in emulation when the device works really well natively May 23 21:55:54 i don't have a native one yet May 23 21:56:02 switching targets and faffing compiling to different cpus and stuff and not being 100% confident its the right thing and not having the same interactive feel as actually touching the interface May 23 21:56:12 ahh, well that could be a showstopper May 23 21:56:46 ?"<> May 23 21:56:52 ^ fail May 23 21:57:02 bye May 23 21:57:03 the emulation is sound as far as the desktop environment goes, but its not featureful - ie it shows a desktop and everything can be installed on it, but its not got all the default apps installed May 23 21:57:22 cya hrw May 23 21:57:31 exactly, May 23 21:57:43 thats y i cant start the show May 23 21:59:28 wee there it goes May 23 21:59:42 stupid free May 23 22:01:14 why don't nokia allow to D/L OS2008 without providing serial? May 23 22:01:32 why do you need it if you havent got a device? May 23 22:01:51 i.e. i wanna dev on a PC May 23 22:01:59 or, don't have a device but wanna dev May 23 22:02:00 go get the vmware package May 23 22:02:06 huh? May 23 22:02:08 the vm works nice May 23 22:02:10 hmm May 23 22:02:12 really nice May 23 22:02:15 i just installed it at work :D May 23 22:02:15 lcuk: http://www.techamok.com/?pid=4574 May 23 22:02:16 :) May 23 22:02:23 for some reason, init started gobbling cpu here May 23 22:02:25 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ May 23 22:04:05 kot, thats similar in principle to the 4 voxel LCD displays ive seen for multi touch: Red,Green,Blue,Sensor the Sensor picks up ambient light or shadow based upon a finger covering it or not and works really well at a 1:1 ratio to onscreen display May 23 22:04:05 intersting, thanks May 23 22:05:22 am i supposed to get a rotatio icon? May 23 22:05:24 NullM0dem, i went one better, i have gcc and the autotools on device :) May 23 22:05:24 +n May 23 22:05:37 n800n: if you install status bar app, yes May 23 22:05:40 nice May 23 22:05:44 ah May 23 22:05:54 n800n, yeah, what he said May 23 22:05:57 for my incremental compilations its not noticably slower than my big box May 23 22:06:19 n800: have you read what's on that page? May 23 22:06:23 lcuk: do you have to install another OS, i have been reluctant as i value battery life May 23 22:06:28 especially factoring in the time to copy over and execute via the old method May 23 22:06:41 NullM0dem, not at all - im using stock maemo :) May 23 22:06:51 lcuk: sshfs :) May 23 22:07:05 the only none standard thing i have done is reformatted my external memory card to ext2 or 3 or something May 23 22:07:29 KotCzarny, yes, but now thats only for actual files May 23 22:07:48 well, you can have a infinite shell script May 23 22:07:48 rather than copying the final binary from my vmware to device May 23 22:07:57 that will respawn the app :) May 23 22:08:06 then you would only need to press 'q' on device May 23 22:08:09 or esc May 23 22:08:10 ;) May 23 22:08:30 im thinking of listening for slide events and shake the program loose if it gets stuck ;) May 23 22:09:04 lcuk: imagine, you run app in the loop, so no copying, no executing May 23 22:09:11 at least not manual :) May 23 22:09:23 if you want to test new ver just press esc May 23 22:09:23 :) May 23 22:09:32 and script reexecs it :) May 23 22:09:33 im well beyond that kot, the ide MUST be using the slick text rendering May 23 22:09:41 GAN800: Thanks for the update. I figured it was something like that. I loved softpoweroff in OS2007, and never understood why it wasn't default. The fact that I can't turn off a device if I press the power button too fast after unplugging it from a charger is IMO a horrible design flaw. May 23 22:12:02 It's just pure unadulterated retarde stupidity. May 23 22:12:15 and it really should be the default behavior. May 23 22:12:21 hm ranadr extension missing May 23 22:12:22 for me, the biggest power draw comes from omdemand. if i leave my device on powersave whilst locked it doesnt touch the battery - even if something comes along and wants cpu power why should i give it to them, my device is locked May 23 22:12:28 i thought i was stupid-free :/ May 23 22:12:30 The N800 is not a cellphone. . . . May 23 22:12:35 ondemand May 23 22:12:47 I am asked if my n810 is a cell all of the time May 23 22:13:01 just say yes May 23 22:13:34 and keep the bt phone teher deep inside your pocket May 23 22:14:29 right, i do actually want to get some stuff done before bed tonight May 23 22:14:37 * KotCzarny yawns May 23 22:14:52 i'm asked quite often if mine is a cell too May 23 22:14:52 n800n: install kernel, xserver and statusbar app May 23 22:15:13 n800n: and read what people write about their apps May 23 22:15:24 and then i explain to people that i'd rather carry several different devices that do their job well than one device that does many jobs half assed May 23 22:15:39 which device is that? May 23 22:15:43 n800n, i got that same error May 23 22:15:58 i'm going by the edited first post instead of reading the 12 pages May 23 22:16:14 n800n: sse2.net/rotate May 23 22:16:15 i ran apt-get upgrade xserver-xrandr from the command line and then rebooted and it worked May 23 22:16:37 it didn't dld the first time May 23 22:16:55 it's installing xserver now May 23 22:18:00 thanks May 23 22:18:06 works May 23 22:19:55 rebooted May 23 22:20:18 :D May 23 22:21:34 lcuk: glad you got it ok; same here, have to do some presentation making May 23 22:28:01 success. May 23 22:28:13 * n800n dances May 23 22:29:53 congratulations May 23 22:30:21 ty May 23 22:30:26 been wanting this for ages May 23 22:30:43 was the obvious feature lacking out of the box May 23 22:31:10 there should be a os2008he for n8x0 too May 23 22:31:11 :> May 23 22:32:37 do you know of a theme that makes the scrollbars black? May 23 22:32:42 lardman|home: hi, I'm starting some serious DSP hacking here and I hope to get this DSP color format conversion work with mplayer May 23 22:32:49 like when zooming in on images, etc May 23 22:33:33 tlardman|home: thank you for doing research and preparing a good starting point May 23 22:34:05 he got it working? :) May 23 22:35:45 ssvb: np May 23 22:36:07 ssvb: I don't know what the problem is with that code, but doubtless some error on my part in the algo May 23 22:36:09 lardman|home: I also suspect that it is only a beginning and we may get some serious video speedup at the next iteration by offloading more work to DSP in the final stage of video decoding (by using IDCT and motion compensation hardware acceleration) May 23 22:36:33 certainly doing IDCT and motion comp would be good May 23 22:37:09 be careful though, it appears that if you try to ioctl the DSP too fast, it gets queued up until the queue is full (I guess) and causes a reset May 23 22:38:11 so in my current code, I do an ioctl to tell the DSP to perform the update May 23 22:38:28 if I put a delay of ~0.1s between my ioctls, I get a crash May 23 22:38:36 lardman: btw, there is a dsp log i think May 23 22:38:50 KotCzarny: yes, it comes out in dmesg May 23 22:38:58 no May 23 22:38:59 more May 23 22:38:59 lardman|home: I already noticed some problems with demo_console when it is compiled with optimizations and busyloop gets removed by the compiler May 23 22:39:01 KotCzarny: the message was DSP busy or some such May 23 22:39:14 let me check the filename May 23 22:39:23 it's quite detailed May 23 22:39:58 /sys/devices/platform/dsp/mblog May 23 22:40:23 that's the mailbox log May 23 22:40:30 lardman|home: probably your DSP task is not fast enough to handle this stuff, but I would expect it to block and not crash May 23 22:40:42 http://penguinbait.com/index.html May 23 22:40:46 that is insane. May 23 22:40:53 but if you send anything to dsp it goes through mbox May 23 22:41:04 or i'm confused May 23 22:41:15 ssvb: I was guessing that it's that the DSP kernel has no more room for the messages, and it's then the ARM kernel which causes the error and makes dsp_dld reset it May 23 22:41:30 KotCzarny: yes, but not ioctls iirc May 23 22:41:52 lardman|home: btw, what version of dspgateway is the best? May 23 22:42:00 but it shows about dsp transfers too May 23 22:42:01 ssvb: the DSP kernel can't be reset as the fb is shared, so it brings it all down May 23 22:42:49 ssvb: you have to use 3.3 (though you don't really need the code often), but the docs for 3.3.1 are better (and the changes are only internal, though enough to stop it from working) May 23 22:43:19 KotCzarny: I'll have to check, but the ioctls are not done thought the mailbox stuff iirc May 23 22:43:42 lardman|home: did you have some problems with 3.3.1? May 23 22:44:01 ipbuf is also interesting May 23 22:44:03 is 3.3 also used for N8x0? May 23 22:44:50 ssvb: I tried to compile & use dsp_dld from 3.3.1, it doesn't work, 3.3 is used for Chinook, etc. May 23 22:45:40 lardman|home: It is a bit strange, as OMAP2 support is mentioned as one of the features of 3.3.1 May 23 22:45:55 ssvb: incompatibility May 23 22:46:10 ssvb: between the version compiled for the ARM & DSP kernels May 23 22:47:25 I'm sure when we get an updated kernel we'll get dspgateway 3.3.1 as well May 23 22:49:16 lardman|home: maemo dspprogramming wiki page recommends version 3.3.1 of dspgateway May 23 22:49:22 should it be fixed? May 23 22:49:28 yes, it's wrong May 23 22:51:18 btw. what are those 3 planes mentioned in: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/caps_text May 23 22:51:56 does it mean there is a way to do triple buffering? May 23 22:51:57 :) May 23 22:52:39 U:572x430p-76 May 23 22:52:39 U:176x144p-559 May 23 22:52:39 U:800x480p-50 May 23 22:52:50 it also looks that it's a 50hz at max res May 23 22:53:25 also May 23 22:53:43 lardman, check: /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/graphics:fb[0-2]/stride May 23 22:55:25 KotCzarny: I noticed messages about there being 3 framebuffers when using the DSP to map one May 23 22:55:47 it automatically uses the first one (in the kernel code), so I didn't bother looking any further May 23 22:55:50 hey i saved penguinbait's install-tools but the app manager says it's corrupted May 23 22:56:02 hey, has anyone managed to get fanoush's initfs to work with diablo? May 23 22:56:09 is there another copy hosted elsewhere? May 23 22:56:11 eh: qwerty12 did May 23 22:56:31 are there any caveats that I should be aware of? May 23 22:56:44 ssvb: I'm not sure if the frame sync could be done in another way, perhaps by (heaven forbid) polling shared memory from the DSP May 23 22:56:52 eh: make a backup, and check May 23 22:57:12 lardman|home: how much memory can we map in a single block? May 23 22:57:24 I have been told up to 16Mb May 23 22:57:54 the largest tlb is 0x100000, and there aren't many left over, so some multiple of this May 23 22:58:41 I was running into troubles on the 770 trying to share the fb and map a largish region of shared memory, I've not got round to finding out why yet May 23 22:58:57 lardman|home: avs_kernelcfg.cmd defines some memory regions such as EXTMEM1, EXTMEM2, etc May 23 22:59:07 the largest is 2MB May 23 22:59:18 yes, that will then use two TLBs May 23 22:59:46 well, or it is actually 1MB? May 23 23:00:16 is len measured in 8-bit chars or 16-bit chars there? May 23 23:00:20 you can map more, but it just needs more TLBs to do so, and we don't have many left over May 23 23:00:33 8-bit May 23 23:01:08 dspgateway docs (pdf) give a diagram of the memory map, so you should be able to see the maximum there May 23 23:01:37 lardman|home: ok, 1MB is a bit too small, do I have to define some new region? should it not overlap with the others? May 23 23:02:13 ssvb: I was just meaning make it a multiple of 1Mb so as not to waste TLBs handling 0x10,000 chunks May 23 23:02:23 I wonder if dsp tasks are running in the same address space or there is some kind of protection May 23 23:02:45 KotCzarny: if I mess up the initfs, is it possible to reload an initfs using flasher like kernels can be loaded from the desktop before boot? May 23 23:02:47 either define a new region is there are none large enough, or use an existing one and pragma your variable to be placed in there May 23 23:03:01 eh: yes, you can flash only initfs May 23 23:03:03 lardman|home: sure, I think that 2MB is minimum if we want to support videos up to VGA resolution May 23 23:03:12 ssvb: not too sure May 23 23:03:41 ssvb: ok on the 2Mb, should be enough TLBs left over. Iirc it ran out above 5 or so May 23 23:03:52 (5 or so more than are already used that is) May 23 23:04:19 hmmhmm, getting no boot out of 2.6.26-rc3-omap May 23 23:04:37 lardman|home: existing ones are too small then (1MB maximum), so I guess I will need to create a new one May 23 23:04:38 and no boot out of my own too, for some reason, blah May 23 23:04:48 fortunately, I've a backup on /dev/mtdblock4 May 23 23:04:49 astorm: .25 works? May 23 23:05:07 ssvb: you want to create a monolithic chunk? Could a couple of smaller ones do the job? May 23 23:05:07 that older one worked I think, wait May 23 23:06:02 KotCzarny: and this is how to install fanoush's initfs http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card/ May 23 23:06:05 lardman|home: yes, they could, but can both of them be mapped at ARM side too? May 23 23:06:12 I've to hunt and kill the guy who made that 2.6.21 kernel module May 23 23:06:14 it's *old* btrfs May 23 23:06:27 ssvb: ah, no that is true; sorry am half asleep May 23 23:06:37 eh: i don't know, i just downloaded initfs_flasher and read docs inside May 23 23:06:46 It might have selfdestructed May 23 23:06:54 what? May 23 23:06:58 lame May 23 23:07:00 It May 23 23:07:00 :) May 23 23:07:06 wtf? May 23 23:07:50 I don't have an alias like that, weird May 23 23:08:00 astorm: know your irc client May 23 23:08:11 lardman|home: and the last question, you define FB_ADDRESS as 0x180000, where did you take this 'magic' number? May 23 23:08:27 KotCzarny: it's some experimental v. of Weechat ;P May 23 23:08:45 lardman|home: does it always have this address at DSP side? May 23 23:08:59 I put zImage there, right? May 23 23:09:04 or bzImage? May 23 23:09:08 ssvb: it's from the avs_kernelcfg.cmd file May 23 23:09:15 astorm: where? May 23 23:09:23 or vmlinux? May 23 23:09:26 onto Nokia, duh May 23 23:09:35 ssvb: There's a gap if you look on the N8x0 version, where on the 770 the FRAMEBUFFER section sits May 23 23:09:37 astorm: bzimage May 23 23:09:43 lardman|home: hmm, mine is 'FRAMEBUFFER: origin = 0x300000, len = 0x100000' May 23 23:09:46 mhm May 23 23:09:50 ssvb: take this address and divide it by two May 23 23:09:51 that was my fail ;P May 23 23:10:32 ssvb: as that file is read by dsp_dld which operates on the ARM side; while the 0x180000 is on the DSP side May 23 23:10:55 16bit chars fun May 23 23:10:56 :) May 23 23:11:09 no, bzImage makes the device autoreboot May 23 23:11:09 oooh yes :) May 23 23:11:13 so, you lied to me May 23 23:11:19 lardman|home: ok, thanks, I forgot that it works with 8-byte units again :) May 23 23:11:25 astorm: how do you flash it? May 23 23:12:09 ssvb: np; I should really ask the ARM to send over the address, but as you can't actually map the FB from userspace, it's fairly pointless unless you want to parse that file (and I couldn't be bothered) May 23 23:12:20 KotCzarny: with flasher-3.0 May 23 23:12:34 astorm, then reason may be something else May 23 23:12:52 astorm: and flasher should check if you try flashing anything other than linux kernel May 23 23:13:02 try it with some jpg May 23 23:13:02 KotCzarny: it doesn't May 23 23:13:28 astorm: then use fanoush kernel flasher, this one checks :) May 23 23:14:03 lardman|home: and new we are better to hope that OMAP1710 has revision 3.0 of silicon, as it should have no issues with addresses wrapping May 23 23:14:04 darn, i'm listening to 'mazowsze' and find it fairly nice May 23 23:14:28 ssvb: I'd not seen that one May 23 23:15:21 ssvb: Time for bed for me, email me to let me know your progress, I probably won't be able to reply until Sunday though May 23 23:15:27 ssvb: Good luck :) May 23 23:15:39 night all May 23 23:15:47 lardman|home: thanks May 23 23:16:11 KotCzarny: and doesn't work ;) May 23 23:16:28 astorm: works for me ;) May 23 23:16:39 /sys/module/omapfb/parameters/accel May 23 23:16:41 hrm May 23 23:16:48 i wonder if it does anything :) May 23 23:18:04 trying 2.6.25-omap1 again May 23 23:19:47 I'll add the keyboard patch etc. too May 23 23:20:00 and rotate and op_patch May 23 23:20:02 :) May 23 23:20:32 op_patch? May 23 23:20:36 yup May 23 23:20:37 which one is that? May 23 23:20:58 so you can select which mode should be used for dsp May 23 23:22:47 the guy responsible for irclogs should split them into 24 pieces May 23 23:22:59 google gets confused otherwise May 23 23:23:40 url? May 23 23:23:45 looking May 23 23:25:07 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/patches/op_patch.diff May 23 23:25:27 by default it only adds sysfs interface May 23 23:25:45 so nothing is affected until you set it via echo May 23 23:25:46 :) May 23 23:26:00 what does this "mode" mean? May 23 23:26:17 you know when system goes into 330/220 mode, right? May 23 23:26:29 with this patch you can tell it to use 400/133 instead May 23 23:26:30 :) May 23 23:26:32 mhm May 23 23:26:35 good idea May 23 23:27:05 and you can revert back to 330/220 runtime if you need to test your app with diff modes May 23 23:27:35 Being rather ignorant about C development: Why is that patch removing the OP_DSP definition from an enumeration and providing it as another definition, this time in lowercase? May 23 23:28:06 blafasel: to not to conflict with other modes May 23 23:31:55 ah, I might've forgotten the patch for that device ID, duh May 23 23:31:59 my idiocy again :> May 23 23:32:33 punish yourself for being forgetfull May 23 23:32:54 where should I change that? May 23 23:33:08 change what? May 23 23:33:26 the device id May 23 23:33:35 forgot which file was it and haven't made a patch May 23 23:33:36 rdev ? May 23 23:33:39 :) May 23 23:33:43 btw, where is the store of all the patches? May 23 23:33:49 no, not rdev, duh May 23 23:33:52 the one IN THE KERNEL May 23 23:34:08 rdev changes it in the kernel May 23 23:34:09 :) May 23 23:34:13 ... May 23 23:34:18 where, what, who? May 23 23:34:25 it was a code change May 23 23:34:28 lame May 23 23:34:35 * AStorm kills that weechat May 23 23:34:36 you fail twice May 23 23:34:42 anyone knows if mpd uses the dsp or the cpu? May 23 23:34:44 rdev - query/set image root device, RAM disk size, or video mode May 23 23:34:53 KotCzarny: no, it's not that May 23 23:34:59 I'm talking about real device id May 23 23:35:05 not the root flash address May 23 23:35:05 astorm, then i don't understand your question May 23 23:35:12 ... May 23 23:35:14 what device id? May 23 23:35:29 AKA Board ID May 23 23:35:38 the kernel has one hardcoded for checking as a define May 23 23:35:47 and I have the devel one on the device (= 5555) May 23 23:35:52 for some reason May 23 23:35:55 need to fix the kernel May 23 23:35:58 hmm, don't know May 23 23:36:02 just grep it May 23 23:36:03 :) May 23 23:37:02 I don't know what's the usual one May 23 23:37:18 and don't know what's the define called May 23 23:38:14 even don't know which file it is, I'd have to check my mail May 23 23:38:54 it test May 23 23:39:02 yes, now it didn't change the topic May 23 23:39:10 KotCzarny: care to fix the topic? May 23 23:39:19 :) May 23 23:39:23 fixed May 23 23:39:50 does anyone in here have a nokia n800? how the heck to you remove the battery? it doesn't want to come out May 23 23:40:15 wolfspirit: take the lid off, then slightly pull the battery May 23 23:40:18 wolfspirit: What do you mean? May 23 23:40:20 should come out easily May 23 23:40:33 You removed the cover? May 23 23:40:39 lol May 23 23:40:40 it won't come out.. I've been pulling on it pretty hard May 23 23:40:47 guenther: lol yes May 23 23:41:02 /* Vcore to 1.475V */ May 23 23:41:02 tahvo_set_clear_reg_bits(0x07, 0, 0xf); May 23 23:41:03 hmm weird May 23 23:41:04 hmm May 23 23:41:11 i wonder if we can undervolt it May 23 23:41:12 ;) May 23 23:41:12 wolfspirit: ok, slowly :) May 23 23:41:23 KotCzarny: it is undervolted in the default kernel May 23 23:41:25 The cover is removed. You see the battery. May 23 23:41:32 astorm: good May 23 23:41:32 it has sliding voltage control May 23 23:41:33 :) May 23 23:41:37 can work on 1.1V even May 23 23:41:44 Looking at your device, back view. Battery on the right side. May 23 23:41:50 1.005 is a sleep state May 23 23:41:57 yes.. May 23 23:42:03 Remove the Bat from the right side. May 23 23:42:14 trying May 23 23:42:16 :-) May 23 23:42:22 with a finger nail or something May 23 23:42:32 I have two fingers on it trying to pry the damn thing an it won't budge May 23 23:42:32 grab it, pull it towards you May 23 23:42:59 You're grabbing it at the side that reads "Nokia", right? May 23 23:43:10 no May 23 23:43:19 you need to. May 23 23:43:22 wolfspirit: that's the fail May 23 23:43:22 Not the part in the middle of the device. May 23 23:43:24 :-) May 23 23:43:36 There the contacts are, and a nose to keep it safe. May 23 23:43:51 I told you to grab it from the right side... :) May 23 23:44:02 The one next to the edge of your device. May 23 23:44:12 and someone was complaining that battery is too loose ;) May 23 23:44:15 can't get my fingers in there to pull it out.. do you use a key or soemthing? May 23 23:44:34 a finger nail May 23 23:44:47 But anything sharp-ish should do. May 23 23:44:59 Don't use something really sharp, though. May 23 23:45:02 KotCzarny: found it :-) May 23 23:45:07 astorm: good May 23 23:45:12 (for you at least) May 23 23:45:32 hrm May 23 23:45:37 board-n800.c contains hw key mappings May 23 23:45:39 :> May 23 23:45:59 there we go got it May 23 23:45:59 ty May 23 23:46:03 Tap it on your palm gently. May 23 23:46:05 arch/arm/tools/mach-types May 23 23:46:05 yes May 23 23:46:05 some guy posted a nice hw keyboard patch on linux-omap mailing list May 23 23:46:12 bullet proof method. May 23 23:46:13 I was afraid I was going to break the damn thing May 23 23:46:13 wolfspirit: It helps pushing it slightly to the middle. May 23 23:46:24 ah, good :-) May 23 23:46:26 tap-tap-tap May 23 23:46:32 battery put May 23 23:46:36 KotCzarny: for n810 ofc May 23 23:46:39 s/put/out/ May 23 23:46:40 GAN800 meant: battery out May 23 23:46:48 it adds sticky keys, fn support May 23 23:46:59 btw.. so far I really like this thing May 23 23:47:02 GAN800: that works :) May 23 23:47:10 perfectly. :P May 23 23:47:18 Just be sure not to tab it against your palm with the battery itself. :) May 23 23:47:24 Took me a while to come up with it, though May 23 23:47:29 Never tried that one. May 23 23:47:36 and be gentle May 23 23:47:37 But it helps keeping your fingers nails. May 23 23:47:42 If you're a gal. ;-) May 23 23:47:47 I'm a big gadget geek but I can see myself using this for awhile May 23 23:47:56 There are no women oon the internet. May 23 23:48:10 infobot: n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt May 23 23:48:11 okay, KotCzarny May 23 23:48:12 * guenther has spotted some May 23 23:48:15 ~n800keys May 23 23:48:16 i heard n800keys is http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/n800-hw-keys.txt May 23 23:48:22 crap.. it didn't wipe the device.. May 23 23:48:30 Lies! . . . FBI agents. :P May 23 23:48:34 somebody say some women? my xchat is flashing May 23 23:48:43 I guess I will have to try and flash it then. the guy I bought it from left all of his crap on it May 23 23:48:45 haha May 23 23:48:50 KotCzarny: I installed the fanoush initfs but how to I select from where I want to boot? how do I get to the menu? May 23 23:48:58 It's not a Palm, wolfspirit May 23 23:49:06 eh: read the docs included in the package, it's really there May 23 23:49:12 flash isn't volatile May 23 23:49:24 flash is volatile (in 10-20 years) May 23 23:49:25 ;) May 23 23:49:30 wolfspirit: by "crap" you mean what exactly? May 23 23:49:36 Data? Apps? May 23 23:49:42 pornography May 23 23:49:53 and he's not into giraffe porn May 23 23:50:01 GAN800: That's data. ;) May 23 23:50:01 documents, his accounts, and the main file structure says "Marty's pad" I was able to log into his google account lol May 23 23:50:15 eek May 23 23:50:23 ok, bullet proof method for extracting battery: hold nokia in right hand battery on the upper side, then tap device against left hand May 23 23:50:30 That guy's a moron May 23 23:50:37 and even worse yet.. he was a retired air force person with info on there May 23 23:50:51 guenther: hmm ? May 23 23:51:09 KotCzarny: What do you mean? The "eek"? May 23 23:51:26 nvm May 23 23:51:27 :) May 23 23:51:31 Account data left on a {device,machine} you sell... May 23 23:51:48 so if I flash the device I can format everything right? May 23 23:51:53 Any other reaction than eek or druel? May 23 23:51:57 :) May 23 23:52:10 what does fsck do? May 23 23:52:24 hmm hmm, the kernel is still crashing... actually, watchdog kills it :P May 23 23:52:25 check the file system? May 23 23:52:26 it fscks your data May 23 23:52:30 yes May 23 23:52:35 it's like chkdsk on speed May 23 23:52:40 ok May 23 23:52:48 use ext3 and you won't need fsck May 23 23:52:49 so it's a good thing to do May 23 23:52:55 Flashing wipes everything but sd, wolfspirit May 23 23:53:04 (well, not that often :) May 23 23:53:15 n800n: please don't tell me you are looking for things to delete in the system May 23 23:54:02 no, but pb says fsck whenever you crash May 23 23:54:14 the sd card May 23 23:54:21 pb? May 23 23:54:26 penguinbait May 23 23:54:29 aha May 23 23:54:38 you're KC btw May 23 23:54:43 n800n: just clone os to sd card (and use ext3) May 23 23:54:52 i did, just now May 23 23:54:57 it was strangely fast May 23 23:55:02 using the deb pb made May 23 23:55:29 yeah, it's only copying some data May 23 23:55:30 and yeah, it's ext3 May 23 23:55:34 ~100-200mb May 23 23:55:56 i wanna install kde next May 23 23:56:04 what for? May 23 23:56:05 :) May 23 23:56:08 just reading the forum to see what problems people have had May 23 23:56:14 because i can :D May 23 23:56:17 ok May 23 23:56:18 :) May 23 23:56:24 i hope May 23 23:56:40 That's actually about the only valid answer. May 23 23:57:17 KotCzarny: lol May 23 23:57:22 is it painfully slow? May 23 23:57:28 it's been fixed in new kernel May 23 23:57:39 fixed like in 'removed' ? May 23 23:57:40 I'll grab the muru.com patch and see if it helps (it should) May 23 23:57:40 ;) May 23 23:57:54 cripes, my mcse lapsed this year May 23 23:58:12 they just simply have added reset button May 23 23:58:17 don't worry May 23 23:58:23 than this whole watchdog hell May 23 23:58:37 Mention it on mailing lists, if you want a laugh... May 23 23:58:59 will this kde install run Qt dependent apps? May 23 23:59:19 if that kde includes qt libs May 23 23:59:20 ;) May 23 23:59:29 then probably yes May 24 00:00:30 penguinbait's again... i guess i could wait and ask him May 24 00:10:44 can i make something force quit from xterm? May 24 00:10:55 killall May 24 00:10:58 or kill May 24 00:11:07 or killall -9 May 24 00:11:10 or kill -9 May 24 00:11:57 if i wanna kill the app manager? May 24 00:12:08 kill -9 May 24 00:12:11 btw. clicking on 'x' will work May 24 00:12:16 just wait a little May 24 00:12:30 well it's dowanloading the kde install but i have to run May 24 00:12:47 so it's stuck 'instaling' May 24 00:13:12 just reboot the device May 24 00:13:13 ;) May 24 00:13:33 good call May 24 00:13:35 thanks May 24 00:13:37 hmm, it always fails to boot from my internal card May 24 00:13:52 eh: try mmc1 instead of mmc2? May 24 00:13:54 :) May 24 00:13:58 I did May 24 00:14:00 err May 24 00:14:05 I set it to ask May 24 00:14:14 and I tried both options May 24 00:14:44 what I find weird is May 24 00:15:11 it says Internal MMC card, partition 2, ext2 N/A as the option May 24 00:15:17 why would it be partition 2? May 24 00:15:36 it should be partition 1 May 24 00:15:42 shouldn't it? May 24 00:17:14 Can anyone DCC me the becomeroot package? May 24 00:17:32 jeff1f: use WWW instead May 24 00:17:33 eh: depends on your layout May 24 00:17:40 EruditeHermit: I don't know the particulars of booting the mmc media.. but in general, any primary partition can be "active" and capable of booting linux. May 24 00:17:45 and grab easyroot May 24 00:17:47 jeff1f: nitapps.com May 24 00:18:29 Thanks, gronmayer.net is having problems May 24 00:18:34 I formatted it so that ext3 took up teh entire disk May 24 00:18:37 google too? May 24 00:18:38 :) May 24 00:19:01 Hey now, I looked and looked! May 24 00:19:14 and I'm mad ;P May 24 00:19:44 astorm: removed wrong partition? May 24 00:19:45 :> May 24 00:19:51 But DCC brings back so many memories May 24 00:19:58 lol May 24 00:20:11 KotCzarny: no no no :-) May 24 00:20:26 nothing as evil May 24 00:20:26 I can't remove /dev/mtdblock4 anyway :> May 24 00:20:33 well May 24 00:20:34 you can May 24 00:20:35 ;) May 24 00:20:41 but that would require some hacking May 24 00:20:45 not as easily May 24 00:20:51 but you can May 24 00:20:52 KotCzarny: are the options for internal MMC or External MMC correct? Is there any possibility that I have to change something there? May 24 00:20:52 :) May 24 00:21:04 eh: i don't know your layout May 24 00:21:21 And linux is capable of having 4 primary partitions May 24 00:21:26 EruditeHermit: if you made the whole device an fs, you need to change bootmenu.conf May 24 00:21:37 hmm May 24 00:22:01 should I repartion so that it is not the whole device? May 24 00:22:20 eh: keeping it standard helps May 24 00:22:21 ;) May 24 00:22:24 ok May 24 00:22:38 ie. partition 1 vfat/ext, partition 2 ext (cloned os) May 24 00:24:52 AStorm: where is bootmenu.conf. Isit on the device or do I have to flash it fron initfs_flash with the edited config in that directory May 24 00:25:07 eh: have you bothered to read the docs? May 24 00:25:07 :) May 24 00:25:11 yes May 24 00:25:22 it should be there at the time of flashing May 24 00:25:23 there is one in that directory May 24 00:25:32 then it will ask if you want to use it May 24 00:28:47 KotCzarny: we're very close to getting vanilla linux-omap to run flawlessly :-) May 24 00:28:54 I hope Nokia will pick that up May 24 00:29:13 astorm: what features are missing? May 24 00:29:24 hmm, I guess, maybe voltage scaling? May 24 00:30:03 nothing they can't implement in a few weeks May 24 00:36:00 KotCzarny: could you get me CONFIG_CMDLINE from your kernel? May 24 00:36:27 ok, no need for May 24 00:36:31 got it May 24 00:36:39 glad i could help :P May 24 00:37:23 yay! https://serialio.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=456 May 24 00:38:35 nomis: great, but price is.. hum May 24 00:39:16 argh, and I misread "mini" for "micro"... again! May 24 00:39:46 but we use mini May 24 00:39:53 afair May 24 00:40:07 KotCzarny: N810 uses micro, N800 uses mini. May 24 00:40:15 * KotCzarny has n800 May 24 00:40:16 :> May 24 00:40:33 (another point of n800 being superior to n810 ;) May 24 00:40:43 :) May 24 00:41:58 ok, new kernel works May 24 00:42:01 now on to modules :-) May 24 00:42:24 hrm, zaurus has cf slots May 24 00:42:26 ah, wait May 24 00:42:27 :> May 24 00:42:35 first, I'll patch the keymap to be German May 24 00:43:10 and charge the device May 24 00:43:28 nomis, also i think we need mini-b (male) to usb-a (female) May 24 00:44:12 nomis: https://serialio.com//store/product_info.php?cPath=54_61&products_id=141 May 24 00:44:13 :) May 24 00:44:39 ah, sorry May 24 00:44:42 where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? May 24 00:44:43 that's usb-a male May 24 00:47:00 ok, got cx3310x May 24 00:47:07 *cx3110x May 24 00:47:10 and btrfs May 24 00:50:13 after getting maemo booting, next step will be a rewrite of init May 24 00:50:18 *initfs May 24 00:50:26 as that's hacky and lacking May 24 00:50:36 why? May 24 00:51:14 it's hack on hack, non-modular, etc. May 24 00:51:23 is it? May 24 00:51:29 afair it can load modules May 24 00:51:36 ... May 24 00:51:43 linuxrc May 24 00:51:46 and you can always add a line to source a dir May 24 00:51:51 I mean the init script May 24 00:52:20 but the problem with initfs is that it readonly May 24 00:52:27 no, it's not a problem May 24 00:52:34 you can rebuild it easily May 24 00:52:37 i know May 24 00:52:41 but it takes time May 24 00:52:44 and it's possible to load further modules from hd May 24 00:53:01 btw. jffs2 is rw ? May 24 00:53:06 it is May 24 00:53:20 but it's mounted ro May 24 00:53:25 mount -o remount,rw on initfs partition will work? May 24 00:53:34 will not allow write May 24 00:53:36 it shows 0 kb free May 24 00:53:43 I think there is some bit set on that flash May 24 00:53:47 oh yes, it is May 24 00:53:54 man the guy who had the nokia before me had 2007.. 2008 seems a lot nicer.. the on screen keyboard seems more responsive May 24 00:53:58 totally full May 24 00:54:01 you'd have to expand the image a bit May 24 00:54:25 astorm: but mtdblock4 is rw May 24 00:54:34 so it shouldn't be a problem May 24 00:54:39 to have jffs2 rw May 24 00:54:43 on initfs May 24 00:55:07 there's no problem May 24 00:55:08 :-) May 24 00:55:20 why nobody did the mod then? May 24 00:55:21 :) May 24 00:55:42 it would be easier to hack then :) May 24 00:55:44 just because almost nobody uses the initfs really May 24 00:55:47 yes May 24 00:56:23 where can I find sqlite3 for OS2008 ?? May 24 00:56:27 http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/sl-c3000-01.jpg May 24 00:56:32 lol, this guy is nuts May 24 00:56:36 yvan_: it's on the device afaicr May 24 00:56:37 in the repos May 24 00:57:17 i.e. canola uses it May 24 00:57:49 KotCzarny: Nice picture ;) May 24 00:58:05 meh? i cant find it.. sqlite or sqlite3 May 24 00:58:07 ? May 24 00:58:23 The iRiver USB cable works with the Zaurus. This cable is quite small and has a USB mini A connector on one end and a USB A Female on the other. May 24 00:58:24 hrm May 24 00:59:19 yvan_: sqlite May 24 00:59:27 search for it with app manager May 24 00:59:59 Btw: Who killed the rather useful topic? May 24 01:00:17 astorm did May 24 01:00:21 Ah.. KotCzarny did ;) May 24 01:00:23 * AStorm by accident May 24 01:00:28 03:00:15 -!- Topic set by KotCzarny [n=ariel@68.162.32.101] [Sat May 24 01:56:51 2008] May 24 01:00:36 but he killed it first May 24 01:00:41 hrhr May 24 01:00:43 and i hadn't got a copy May 24 01:00:55 fix it please :-) May 24 01:01:24 i need sqlite3 (i guess) for the maemo-mapper database May 24 01:01:38 yvan_: it's in maemo-extras, duh May 24 01:01:39 install maemo-mapper May 24 01:01:48 you will sqlite free May 24 01:01:55 Better? May 24 01:02:03 Blafasel: :-) May 24 01:02:11 blafasel: add maemo.org May 24 01:02:16 it's essential page May 24 01:02:19 Where? What? May 24 01:02:21 and should be checked first May 24 01:02:27 to the beginning of the topic May 24 01:02:28 :) May 24 01:02:43 thx :) May 24 01:02:59 Sure May 24 01:03:06 so duke nukem huh May 24 01:03:09 Time to head for bed though. Night. May 24 01:03:34 ok May 24 01:03:41 * AStorm goes off to play Planescape some more May 24 01:04:29 I have sqlite but I cant access the poi.db... says it's crypted or something May 24 01:05:05 then it's probably empty May 24 01:05:08 or something May 24 01:06:48 KotCzarny: tomorrow I'll get sbox running when I get tired of Planescape May 24 01:06:54 :) May 24 01:07:00 and then the world shall be mine! May 24 01:07:18 unless you break your nokie May 24 01:07:20 nokia May 24 01:07:29 why would I? May 24 01:07:34 accident May 24 01:07:38 yeah sure May 24 01:07:42 ;) May 24 01:07:55 at worst it'll need a reflash May 24 01:08:07 painful, but not all that horrible May 24 01:09:52 |> hhc/DJ VALENTINO - When The Rain Begins To Fall May 24 01:13:05 can anyone tall what cable it is: http://www.alancomputech.com/mcpg-uk02.html May 24 01:13:40 *tell May 24 01:32:43 how can I configure vgba to work in N800?? May 24 02:08:10 <|penguinbait|> cd /usr/local/bin/ May 24 02:08:21 <|penguinbait|> ooops May 24 02:08:30 :) May 24 02:08:42 cd: failed, no such file or directory May 24 02:08:55 <|penguinbait|> to many cherry wheats!! May 24 02:12:28 <|penguinbait|> maybe I should not drink and compile? I dont think that breaks any laws, or violates GPL in any way? May 24 02:13:03 depends May 24 02:13:09 accidents happen May 24 02:13:39 as long those are only machines you own, there's no problem for society May 24 02:13:40 :) May 24 02:14:07 <|penguinbait|> but if I put it in a deb and offer it to people? May 24 02:14:18 then those wouldn't be your machines May 24 02:14:26 add a disclaimer May 24 02:14:31 and you should be ok May 24 02:14:32 :) May 24 02:15:01 <|penguinbait|> disclaimer of course !! May 24 02:15:44 <|penguinbait|> Uh, I may have been drinking when building this package, use at own risk May 24 02:15:58 good enough May 24 02:15:59 ;) May 24 02:17:27 <|penguinbait|> I was in Thomas Edisons workshop today, OMG what a trip May 24 02:17:40 <|penguinbait|> wright bros too, May 24 02:18:11 tripper May 24 02:18:52 <|penguinbait|> my youngest son, had a trip to Greenfield Village May 24 02:20:45 <|penguinbait|> they had one giant steam engine, hooked to a pully/belt system that ran several different machines off the same turbine May 24 02:21:10 steampunk ftw May 24 02:25:04 hi, been searching the forum and can't find a positive answer on using a bt mouse on os '08. possible? May 24 02:25:26 <|penguinbait|> yes mysc May 24 02:25:27 with some hacking May 24 02:25:29 <|penguinbait|> http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg May 24 02:25:32 <|penguinbait|> no hacking May 24 02:25:36 <|penguinbait|> just install deb May 24 02:25:41 essentially enabling cursor and loading psmodule May 24 02:25:44 <|penguinbait|> and bluetooth stack May 24 02:25:49 pb: i call that hacking ;) May 24 02:25:54 <|penguinbait|> ah, its all in KDE? May 24 02:26:09 <|penguinbait|> no hacking required, I already did it for you May 24 02:26:11 Kot, i see. any wiki/url that details this? May 24 02:26:25 mysc: is that kde or maemo? May 24 02:26:30 penguin, i mean no disrespect but i don't like kde. May 24 02:26:31 <|penguinbait|> of course adding KDE to get mouse cursors mught be a bit much May 24 02:26:40 Kot, maemo May 24 02:26:49 <|penguinbait|> none taken May 24 02:27:01 mysc: rename /usr/share/icons/cursors, insmod psmouse May 24 02:27:08 <|penguinbait|> please dont take this the wrong way,but hildon sucks :) May 24 02:27:17 eh, bt mouse May 24 02:27:18 <|penguinbait|> <---- DUCKS May 24 02:27:39 kot, what do you mean rename? May 24 02:27:46 * KotCzarny doesn't like some things in hildon May 24 02:27:50 but overall it's ok May 24 02:27:51 :) May 24 02:28:00 <|penguinbait|> I tried gnome first, but there were too many issues with the current os versions May 24 02:28:14 gnome/kde is a dependency hell May 24 02:28:29 <|penguinbait|> KDE is all separate, thats what makes it fit nicely on the IT May 24 02:28:31 Kot, i have no /usr/share/icons/cursors May 24 02:28:39 mysc: can be in another location May 24 02:28:52 ie. /usr/share/cursor or /usr/share/pixmaps/cursor May 24 02:28:59 might you mean xcursor-transparent ? May 24 02:29:06 yeah, probably May 24 02:29:13 don't forget to reboot May 24 02:29:14 :) May 24 02:29:17 i love these precise answers :) May 24 02:29:28 <|penguinbait|> you need too add more cursors, where xcursor-tranparent lives May 24 02:29:29 mysc: you learn much more this way :) May 24 02:30:19 yes, i guess so. i just removed the shrinkwrap on my apple bt kb. boy do these cupertino folks sure make nice hw May 24 02:30:32 <|penguinbait|> http://www.first-to-fly.com/Adventure%20Images/Expeditions%20Images/Henry%20Ford%20Museum/1938%20Shop%20interior%202.jpg May 24 02:30:33 it's small enough to be portable to, so im not getting a igo anymore May 24 02:30:47 mysc: link for a pic? May 24 02:30:56 ? May 24 02:31:01 for that kb May 24 02:31:01 :) May 24 02:31:23 pb: looks not work safe ;) May 24 02:31:47 http://somecontrast.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/img_0107.jpg (one i just found) May 24 02:31:59 hmm May 24 02:32:09 not bad indeed May 24 02:32:12 but weird May 24 02:32:37 <|penguinbait|> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb May 24 02:32:44 a little weird looking if you expect traditional kb's...but it feels great to type on and weighs nothing May 24 02:33:32 * KotCzarny got igo for a 25$, so i have no need for another one :) May 24 02:33:33 it's about 2 n800s wide and 1.25 n800s tall May 24 02:34:18 OK folks, so i'm gonna have to hack maemo myself here to figure out bt mouse :) May 24 02:34:35 mysc: if you need psmouse module just shout May 24 02:34:39 i would like to know that it works before spending the $$ on the apple one i'm going to get May 24 02:34:40 i have it compiled somewhere May 24 02:34:53 or just look for it somewhere May 24 02:34:55 mysc >> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg May 24 02:35:14 or compile your own kernel (and grab the module :) May 24 02:35:43 lcuk, sweet! carpentry skills for a docking station! May 24 02:35:51 lcuk: shouldn't you be sleeping? May 24 02:35:52 :) May 24 02:36:11 Kot, nah, im not going to compile my own kernel...can't i just insert the module? May 24 02:36:18 errr maybe May 24 02:36:29 yes, but it's not compiled in default May 24 02:36:33 i may be wrong though May 24 02:36:41 Kot, oh, i see, you said rename because the module puts another cursor file there? May 24 02:36:45 look for psmouse.ko in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules May 24 02:36:50 sec May 24 02:36:58 mysc: not module but xserver May 24 02:37:13 mysc, its not just a dock, its an armrest - my hand lies flat and level with the drawing surface, my wrist is as relaxed drawing on 810 as it is on paper May 24 02:37:21 nope May 24 02:38:49 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz May 24 02:38:55 bunch of misc modules May 24 02:39:01 hrmmm, ls doesn't work with symlinks on maemo May 24 02:40:19 kot, have you actually set up a bt mouse on maemo? May 24 02:40:24 nope May 24 02:40:27 i don't have one May 24 02:40:38 but i assume it uses ps protocol May 24 02:40:57 (i may be wrong though) May 24 02:41:41 hrm May 24 02:41:54 on a second though.. May 24 02:42:17 pb: does xserver recognize other input devices? May 24 02:42:26 or it needs something special? May 24 02:42:32 <|penguinbait|> like what? May 24 02:42:37 like usb mouse May 24 02:42:40 <|penguinbait|> yes May 24 02:42:45 i would assume evdev over bt? May 24 02:42:55 <|penguinbait|> I use bt mouse though May 24 02:43:08 <|penguinbait|> usb gamepads work great May 24 02:43:35 <|penguinbait|> qjoypad comes with KDE, works in hildon and KDE May 24 02:43:38 pg, does the mouse co-exist with stylus event monitoring? May 24 02:43:44 <|penguinbait|> yes May 24 02:44:08 <|penguinbait|> I use May 24 02:44:10 hrmmm, you keep pushing kde...c'mon mysc, the cool kids do it...first one's free May 24 02:44:11 <|penguinbait|> http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.1_armel.deb May 24 02:44:37 <|penguinbait|> :) May 24 02:44:39 pg, can i install that .deb on os2008 without needing any kde stuffs? May 24 02:44:57 <|penguinbait|> yes, its not mine May 24 02:45:11 <|penguinbait|> Its from the USB moust thread on ITT May 24 02:45:23 <|penguinbait|> But has BT mouse support also May 24 02:45:28 what does it contain? May 24 02:45:52 sweetness. now i just need to go get my mouse. i hope the apple one works as it would go slick with my kb :) May 24 02:46:05 hmm May 24 02:46:15 pb, so bt mouse doesn't use ps protocol? May 24 02:46:18 (ps2) May 24 02:46:37 <|penguinbait|> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=159462&postcount=69 May 24 02:46:46 <|penguinbait|> thats where I got it May 24 02:47:12 nice though May 24 02:47:23 * KotCzarny adds to a bin with misc finds May 24 02:47:41 how do you enter pin with a bt mouse ? May 24 02:47:42 <|penguinbait|> it works decent enough, I can finally play kbounce May 24 02:47:42 :> May 24 02:47:57 pg, many thanks. i saw you need kb if you use a mouse. or else you kde kb :) May 24 02:48:02 <|penguinbait|> Mine does not have a pin, targus bt mouse May 24 02:48:18 hmm May 24 02:48:20 <|penguinbait|> I use 810 May 24 02:48:46 <|penguinbait|> You can pair anything using hildon control panel bluetooth applt May 24 02:49:37 <|penguinbait|> just because you pair does not mean anything will work, you still need the deb May 24 02:49:59 that's true...what about the pin? when it was pairing my kb it asked for a 4-char pin May 24 02:50:14 <|penguinbait|> I wrote a script using kdialog to choose the bluetooth mouse from a menu of scanned devices May 24 02:50:19 up two half scrolls, down a scroll, up 3 scrolls, right button? heh May 24 02:50:35 morse code May 24 02:50:36 ;) May 24 02:50:45 long click/short click May 24 02:50:55 <|penguinbait|> usually bt devices (not keyboards) have a pin of 0000 May 24 02:50:57 gesture recognition May 24 02:51:03 <|penguinbait|> read your documentation May 24 02:51:51 OK May 24 02:52:46 <|penguinbait|> if its a keyboard, you can usually pick any 4 numbers, as long as you type them in the same on both devices May 24 02:52:56 <|penguinbait|> thats how my nokia works anyway May 24 02:53:25 oh, i didn't even realize i could change the pin, i thought maemo was generating that and it was fixed May 24 02:55:14 well, this was most helpful, pg. May 24 02:55:21 danke :> **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 24 02:59:56 2008