**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 26 02:59:56 2008 May 26 03:00:52 so there was a lot of talk about dsp here lately, is any related to music making apps? May 26 03:03:47 no, just playing May 26 03:16:54 fireun: I couldn't find info on JPL using prolog. I've seen references to "JPL" in the context of Java to ProLog interface, but that's nothing to do with Jet Propulsion Laboratory May 26 03:17:35 I smell sulfur May 26 03:18:05 I smell fear May 26 03:18:13 or... something >_> May 26 03:31:54 I smell my morning coffee! May 26 03:32:03 mourning coffee May 26 03:32:53 I've been mourning coffee recently May 26 03:33:06 I stopped drinking it at school, and now when I do it makes me jittery May 26 03:33:59 if a reasonable amount of coffee makes you jittery, that's truly something to mourn May 26 03:34:14 because either you're hyper-sensitive to caffeine, or you're drinking really crappy coffee May 26 03:34:40 really crappy coffee is possible May 26 03:35:00 I shouldn't be hyper-sensitive to caffeine, pop doesn't have the same affect May 26 03:35:26 also, jittery may not be the correct term... more fidgety I guess May 26 03:35:30 a cup of coffee has about twice the caffeine as a can of a typical caffeinated soda May 26 03:35:34 (some are more, some are less) May 26 03:36:03 for high-quality coffee, that is May 26 03:36:40 this was 'seattle's best' May 26 03:37:06 no idea the quality of it May 26 03:37:35 I find lattes the best in the morning, the fat in the low-fat milk slows the caffeine and sugar uptake over a gentler slope, so I dont get the spike of jolt, and then jitters May 26 03:38:27 don't drink milk, if i don't have to May 26 03:38:59 but I could see why that might be nicer May 26 03:39:04 also, more expensive :) May 26 04:08:11 hello world May 26 04:08:15 Jaffa ... May 26 04:08:37 could you guys bug people w/ planet maemo blogs to enable their first+last names to appear? May 26 04:18:48 hey, is there an easy way to remap Chr to alt? May 26 04:18:59 or really, any way? May 26 04:28:21 There's always a way May 26 05:24:59 is there an easy way to "wake up" a n8x0 from an ssh conneciton? echo "50" >> /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level works for a second when dim, and not at all when off. something must be re-writing this value. May 26 05:32:51 Hi.... I was wondering if someone could help me with this gizmo problem. There's no sound being transferred, from or to me and the client, but all of the other sounds on Gizmo or the N800 work fine (ringing, music, other stuff). I've looked on the forums and have tried moving the volume up and down, didn't work. And uninstalled ogg-support. That didn't help either. Anyone here have any experience with that? May 26 05:34:26 I know it worked once when the install was clean, but I was wondering if anyone has an idea on what specific programs could be causing the problem. May 26 06:37:19 Hi ! May 26 06:40:08 is there someone here now how to fix problem with pdflush ? May 26 06:43:39 s/now/know May 26 07:13:25 Morning May 26 07:18:22 morning May 26 07:20:12 hi May 26 07:21:41 Is there anybody that would like a free 4day pass for LinuxTag? It seems I have some left. May 26 07:22:18 yep May 26 07:22:53 keesj: You? May 26 07:22:59 Me May 26 07:25:34 i got one from lardman, so im cool :) May 26 07:27:03 Hmm that site is veeeery slow atm. May 26 07:28:24 are you using brute force? May 26 07:28:38 Hehe, just trying to login ;) May 26 07:38:01 Morning May 26 07:39:06 anyone know a quick way to wake up my tab from ssh? an echo to backlight_level works for a milisecond. can i trick it by sending a fake event? May 26 07:39:17 i ve some problem with my n810, pdflush eat all cpu and now it s reboot for more than 3hours ... May 26 07:39:40 i ve flashed it ... but problem reappears 2 days after May 26 07:39:53 without installing anything nor using it ... May 26 07:40:08 i ve leave it two day on it charger after the flash ... May 26 07:40:27 can it be a internal memory problem ? May 26 07:40:49 (reboot isn't finished ... :( ) May 26 07:41:49 assuming you're flashing correctly sounds like a defective machine May 26 07:42:03 arg :( May 26 07:42:45 i ve see in bugzilla that some people think it could came from the rss reader ... May 26 07:43:19 does the default configuration make sync frequently ? May 26 07:43:56 the first time i get this problem my / have no more free space May 26 07:44:10 but since i ve make free place i ve still the same problem May 26 07:44:23 (a flash make enough place :) ) May 26 07:44:51 so i ll contact nokia care ... May 26 07:45:44 So what are we going to do at linuxtag? May 26 07:45:45 does it send you a refurbished device ? as i would be not happy to have a someone else device with scratch on screen ! (as mine don't have any) May 26 07:49:48 keesj: maybe i suggest that after the last maemo session (18:00 on thurs i think) we should have an informal maemo meetup May 26 07:49:55 and maybe some demo's of stuff people bring May 26 07:53:19 I think it would be good to do something easy and visible May 26 07:53:44 perhaps looks at documentation on the website or similar May 26 07:54:05 doc sprint ? May 26 07:54:53 doesn't sound fun right? May 26 07:57:20 trickie: how is the qemu/mamona thing going? May 26 07:57:23 visible? how about a group interpretative dance May 26 07:57:29 well it could be informal... as in we see how much 'work' people feel up to, but it might be good to get further on the wiki migration May 26 07:57:44 pupnik: hamsterdance? May 26 07:57:49 trickie: you work on mamona? May 26 07:58:04 keesj: well it boots ok with the maemo kernel, but when e starts it locks up after a while, no luck with current omap kernel May 26 07:58:38 pupnik: yeah, mainly experiemeting, but i wanna get full emulation under qemu working for the SDK May 26 07:58:45 nice May 26 07:58:49 pupnik: also been playing with mamona and recent omap kernels May 26 07:59:17 starting to fall in love with efl May 26 07:59:22 i'd be interested to see mamona on the pandora May 26 07:59:40 * trickie wonders why he didn't explore efl earlier May 26 07:59:45 what is efl? May 26 08:00:02 pupnik: enlightenment foundation libs May 26 08:00:07 core libs for e May 26 08:00:21 main GUI toolkit for mamona ATM May 26 08:00:42 um. but. hildon May 26 08:00:57 can you run hildon apps on mamona? May 26 08:00:58 who makes the pandora? May 26 08:01:14 mweston and a few other guys May 26 08:01:27 well unfortunately i have to start doing the boring work day, so let me know if you think i should draft an email about what to do after the maemo sessions May 26 08:02:07 pupnik: there where hildon libs in mamona but it doesn't look like they will be more the just avaiable atm May 26 08:02:08 ok. well i can't do work outside of what i've been working on latetly - would be useless May 26 08:02:16 ok May 26 08:03:35 when is the expected release date? May 26 08:04:05 they were shooting for april/may. dev units are out May 26 08:04:27 wow May 26 08:05:19 TI sort of took them under their wing May 26 08:06:04 how great new May 26 08:06:15 looks like it'll be released without much of a real OS. just a program launcher for the emus May 26 08:07:34 an emu cannon if you will May 26 08:07:38 morning May 26 08:09:10 is there an n900 in our near future:? May 26 08:11:21 pupnik: are you in the pandora "loop" ?? May 26 08:14:34 mysc: who knows.. May 26 08:15:01 i am sure many know May 26 08:15:07 mysc: nokia guys cant tell, those who cooperate with nokia also cannot tell May 26 08:15:25 hrw: Exactly ;) May 26 08:16:02 hi May 26 08:16:22 hi May 26 08:16:46 I'm playing with gstmjpg May 26 08:16:56 the webcam server May 26 08:17:25 mysc: we can only hope that there will be some and if there will be something after n810wme then that it will be worth upgrading May 26 08:17:45 I've noticed that the streamer server allows the fps to be specifyed from command line May 26 08:18:09 anyone knows how could I specify the fps from the dbus message which cg-bin script sends? May 26 08:18:37 (anyone knows what I'm talking about, in first place? :-)) May 26 08:19:29 Well, I know what DBUS is (having done very very tiny things with it) and I'd be surprised if someone doesn't know about cgi. May 26 08:20:08 I mean, do you installed/used gstmjpg? May 26 08:20:20 ok, maybe one of you knows. i want to "wake up" from dimmed screen over ssh. if i echo to backlight_level it gets reset, presumably by the event daemon. May 26 08:20:32 how can i turn it on from ssh cli? May 26 08:21:01 jldiaz, Heard of it, haven't got around to using it. So you can specify fps off gstmjpg cmd line? May 26 08:21:13 yes May 26 08:21:14 mysc: in normal device I would go to /sys/class/backlight/*/ but n8x0 iirc do not use it May 26 08:21:26 gstmpjg -f N May 26 08:21:46 mysc , probably sending a dbus-message, hold on a minute May 26 08:22:17 ah, yes, sending an event would do the trick. would love to hear how May 26 08:23:05 hm... no, I don't have the example as i though May 26 08:23:09 I did it through osso May 26 08:23:28 If you have fanoush's kernel, just run blset. May 26 08:23:38 mysc: checkout the source for http://powerlaunch.garage.maemo.org/ May 26 08:23:39 i have maemo kernel May 26 08:23:46 mysc: is you wanna do it via dbus May 26 08:23:52 mysc, would be ok to use a little python script? May 26 08:23:57 and osso stuff May 26 08:24:17 well, i can probalby bashify or perlify the python. thanks trickie May 26 08:24:41 so a python script to reverse engineer would be great May 26 08:24:42 mysc: of course, but it show some osso dbus calls to do it May 26 08:24:48 perlify could be possible. I'm not sure about bashify, because it loads shared libraries May 26 08:25:15 import osso May 26 08:25:15 osso_c=osso.Context("wiicontrol", "0.0.8", False) May 26 08:25:15 device=osso.DeviceState(osso_c) May 26 08:25:29 device.display_state_on() May 26 08:25:42 the "wiicontrol" string has to be replaced May 26 08:26:00 i copy&pasted from wiicontrol.py May 26 08:26:27 jldiaz, Look into /usr/share/dbus-1/services/gstmjpg.service. fps and command line is specified there. May 26 08:26:48 qwerty12 thanks! May 26 08:26:52 hrmmm, thanks! May 26 08:26:58 jldiaz, np :) May 26 08:27:02 Offtopic: anyone uses screen here? May 26 08:28:03 Also /usr/cgi-bin/mjpgplay.cgi has an fps string. May 26 08:28:34 i use screen May 26 08:28:48 qwerty12 I think that that script is for playing stored movies May 26 08:29:15 Ah, ok. I just assume you want them played back in same fps as recorded :) May 26 08:29:17 re May 26 08:29:21 but the service is probably what I was looking for May 26 08:29:40 I want to test if reduced fps leads to reduced CPU usage May 26 08:29:41 huhu ... without battery and charger the screen still display the nokia boot logo after 30s ! May 26 08:31:21 what does "osso" stand for? May 26 08:32:08 # May 26 08:32:08 OSSO means "Open Source Software Operations". It's a department inside Nokia. May 26 08:32:45 what about the osso in libosso? :) May 26 08:33:04 Probably same thing, who knows with nokia :p May 26 08:33:10 most of applications for maemo developed by nokia have the "osso" string embedded May 26 08:33:30 ah, so it's like their trademark for their development team May 26 08:34:00 not sure, but this is what I understand when seeing osso :-) May 26 08:34:09 hah :) May 26 08:35:03 i need to fix this dimming thing, i often idle on irc and hate having to tap May 26 08:35:27 mysc, Grab moredimmingoptions and set timeout to 24h :/ May 26 08:36:18 or disable diming at control panel May 26 08:36:33 Thats only for the charger May 26 08:36:49 qwerty12 it worked! I set the fps to 2 May 26 08:36:58 Great :) May 26 08:37:03 the cpu usage dropped from 52% to 15% May 26 08:37:13 (using top, which is not reliable, but anyway) May 26 08:37:14 w00t, that is a lot better May 26 08:37:23 I use top compiled from procps May 26 08:37:30 i casn't disable dimming in control panel May 26 08:37:47 sorry, mysc, my fault May 26 08:38:09 qwerty, will take a look at your suggestion. thanks! May 26 08:38:10 not control pannel, but "Display options", tapping in the sun-shaped icon in the systray May 26 08:38:28 can't turn it off jldiaz May 26 08:38:58 "Display stays lit" -> When charging May 26 08:38:59 that is not an option in os2008 May 26 08:39:09 it is the only option May 26 08:39:29 yes, but i don't have it plugged in bed May 26 08:39:31 :) May 26 08:39:41 I see... May 26 08:39:53 what application will you be running? May 26 08:40:37 xterm May 26 08:40:49 Hmm, nokia kernel doesn't have CONFIG_HIDRAW. I think 2.6.21 is meant to have it :/ May 26 08:41:35 will you be staring at xterm? :-) May 26 08:42:00 I mean, while you are typing, no dimming occurs May 26 08:42:35 yes staring. May 26 08:42:53 i can't find source for moredimmingoptions, only the .deb May 26 08:43:22 It just runs postinst script to add more gconf entries. May 26 08:43:24 so, basically you are searching a way of periodically "wake up" the screen May 26 08:43:29 Open the deb in an archive manager. May 26 08:43:37 (In linux, I use file-roller) May 26 08:44:50 ok. that's what i want. to see the script :> May 26 08:45:13 jldiaz, exactly, so that i can watch my movie and glance over at my tablet and see it and not have to tap it to life May 26 08:45:30 ar -x the deb file, and tar zxvf the control.tar.gz and cd control (I think) and vi postinst May 26 08:46:03 ok, thx May 26 08:49:23 snifff .... mt n810 is broken May 26 08:49:48 Khertan_TheReal, Do you have a SSH running on it (bootmenu or openssh) May 26 08:52:33 GeneralAntilles, Jaffa: ping? May 26 08:54:50 mysc, see this_ May 26 08:54:52 gconftool -a /system/osso/dsm/display May 26 08:56:33 gconftool -s /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_dim_timeouts -t string "[10, 30, 120, 300, 1800, 3600]" May 26 08:57:09 hrmm, where'd you find that pearl? :) May 26 08:57:36 pong! May 26 08:57:45 The moredimmingoptions runs same command too :p May 26 08:57:59 I just use gconf-editor for my gconf fix May 26 08:58:11 fix as in daily dose :p May 26 08:58:16 but... May 26 08:58:22 I ran that command May 26 08:58:40 and now my display settings dialog is broken.. May 26 08:58:55 no options in the drop-down list May 26 08:59:03 some syntax error? May 26 08:59:22 gconftool-2 -t list --list-type=int -s '/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_dim_timeouts' '[30,60,120,300,600,1800,3600,28800,86400]' May 26 08:59:25 gconftool-2 -t list --list-type=int -s '/system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts' '[30,60,120,300,600,1800,3600,28800,86400]' May 26 08:59:25 qwerty12 > no ssh ... has boot don't go more than the nokia logo and connection isn't inited yet May 26 08:59:31 (no bootmenu) May 26 08:59:38 aha May 26 08:59:47 so it is not a string type, but a list tiype May 26 08:59:49 type May 26 08:59:49 ok May 26 08:59:55 s/has/as May 26 08:59:56 Khertan_TheReal, If you had bootmenu, you could have used usbnet :/ May 26 09:00:36 mysc, Those gconf lines I posted above does the job May 26 09:00:55 (copied from moredimmingoptions :p) May 26 09:01:08 many thanks. "gconftool -a /system/osso/dsm/display" shows the editable options :) May 26 09:01:32 mysc, you even can set the dim time from command line using gconf May 26 09:01:36 You should install gconf-editor, it's a graphical interface for gconf. I find it so much easier. May 26 09:01:46 no need to alter the list of possible values May 26 09:02:05 qwerty, why'd you wait so long to tell me? suspense effect? May 26 09:02:29 for example: May 26 09:02:30 No, just remembered now :p May 26 09:02:30 gconftool -s /system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout -t int 900 May 26 09:02:38 even if 900 is not in the list May 26 09:03:08 aha, this is great! May 26 09:04:43 thanks to you both. May 26 09:06:56 * qwerty12 can't decide whether to keep usb dma disabled or enabled. Enabled is so much faster but a tiny bit unstable :/ May 26 09:07:02 i wonder if i can fix the bluetooth kb timeout with this too May 26 09:08:52 qwerty <-- boldly goes where no one has gone before May 26 09:09:19 Nah, USB DMA is enabled by default in the kernel :) May 26 09:09:22 btw, has anybody managed increasing SD access speed? I have seen some talk about default SD bus frequency being artificially lowered May 26 09:09:31 RST38h, flash a custom kernel May 26 09:09:39 * RST38h is afraid May 26 09:09:39 I've compiled my own :/ May 26 09:09:47 You can't brick it by doing so May 26 09:10:02 yes, but need some way to return to the standard one May 26 09:10:14 You can extract the standard one with the flasher tool May 26 09:10:19 qwerty12: You can run a custom kernel without permanently flashing it? May 26 09:10:24 X-Fade, Yes May 26 09:10:26 also, is SD really faster with a custom kernel? May 26 09:10:34 qwerty12: How can you brick it then :) May 26 09:10:54 RST38h, It seems to me to be faster but I haven't carried out any tests. May 26 09:10:57 X-Fade, True :) May 26 09:10:58 mysc , which option? May 26 09:11:25 gconftool -a /system/osso/connectivity/BT May 26 09:11:38 I run a kernel with kernelpanic's usb b_idle mode fixed and fanoush's patch (enables full sd access speed) May 26 09:12:02 Then I disable the cpufreq when booted to make sure it's at full speed. May 26 09:13:17 jldiaz, i don't find one. basically, the bt kb unpairs after some idle time and i have to either restart kb or disconnect/reconnect on panel May 26 09:13:27 I ve heard about a problem with the format of the internal memory on n810 ? May 26 09:13:39 could it be the problem i ve with pdflush ? May 26 09:13:47 prolly not May 26 09:13:47 perhaps it is a timeout on the kb, not on the tablet May 26 09:13:50 I know I'm gonna hate SSU. :( . Even at the moment, I'm finding it hard to maintain ripping the latest diablo initfs and adding bootmenu into it. May 26 09:14:17 BTW, a friend of mine has just got a new N810, flashed the latets firmware and now complains that it takes up to 50 power key clicks to bring the device on May 26 09:14:32 jldiaz, it might be... May 26 09:14:34 RST38h: card speed depends on card - some cards fails with high-speed hacked kernel May 26 09:14:35 Anybody seen this problem? (I mean since the infamous freeze-your-n800 story) May 26 09:14:39 RST38h, Shove it in RD mode :P May 26 09:14:43 Can my N810 act as a bluetooth keyboard? Or is there only support for connecting a bluetooth keyboard to it May 26 09:14:46 hrw: Oh =( May 26 09:15:01 RST38h > mine try to boot since 5 hours ... May 26 09:15:17 Khertan_TheReal: some internal sd cards are wrongly partitioned May 26 09:15:22 * qwerty12 keeps my N800 in RD mode. May 26 09:15:32 Khertan_TheReal: so have partition a bit larger then card itself May 26 09:15:37 qwerty: How do you switch in and what does it give you? =) May 26 09:15:43 EvilGuru , at least it can acts as a wifi keyboard :-) Using x2x May 26 09:16:03 speaking of cards, my nit ate its first card, a 4gb patriot. not sure if it was the card's fault though. May 26 09:16:13 so from now on i am only buying cheap cards :) May 26 09:16:17 EvilGuru: there was hacked xkbd to act n800 as bt keyboard. but it will rather not forward n810 hw keyboard May 26 09:16:27 jldiaz: That will do it (x2x) May 26 09:16:39 RST38h, It can be done via flasher utility. It gives root without installing anything and some extra info on bootup but why I'm saying to turn it on is because you don't have to hold down power button, just one press turns it on :p May 26 09:16:51 hrw > you are talking about internal memory card (/media/mmc2) ? right ? could this affect the internal ? May 26 09:16:56 qwerty: Ah! May 26 09:17:03 I used x2x to turn my n810 into a digitizer tablet for x-window May 26 09:17:11 * pupnik searches for a good cheap thai restaurant in berlin May 26 09:17:16 BTW, I suspect he did not hold the button but clicked it =) May 26 09:17:17 not very useful, actually, but funny :-) May 26 09:17:23 4 days no internet... what a catastrophe May 26 09:17:26 RST38h, Hehe May 26 09:17:42 you don't even need to have x2x in the tablet, it is enough to have it in your x-window server May 26 09:17:44 Going to make him happy ;) May 26 09:17:55 pupnik: anything changed? =) May 26 09:18:23 hum ... flashing process failed ... !( May 26 09:18:24 Also is there any way to force for a password on boot-up, rather than just going straight to the desktop May 26 09:18:41 Khertan_TheReal: I had that on internal card May 26 09:18:44 ? May 26 09:18:49 pupnik: 4 days no internet? May 26 09:18:53 linuxtag May 26 09:18:58 so this is more than a software problem May 26 09:19:00 pupnik: Doesn't you hotel have internet? May 26 09:19:03 simply, write in your osso-xterm: ssh Desktop-PC x2x -to :0 May 26 09:19:08 *your May 26 09:19:13 ah not gonna pay through the nose for that May 26 09:19:24 no, wait May 26 09:19:35 ssh -X Desktop-PC x2x -to :0 May 26 09:19:35 pupnik: What hotel are you staying in? May 26 09:19:36 * qwerty12 really <3's the Linux Keytouch program May 26 09:19:37 that is May 26 09:19:43 art otel May 26 09:19:49 pupnik: Me too ;) May 26 09:19:59 pupnik: I'm sure we can arrange something. May 26 09:20:23 0.o May 26 09:20:25 * qwerty12 runs May 26 09:21:07 mysc , I 've se the dim timeout to 900, 15 min ago. And now the screen dimmed May 26 09:21:08 pupnik: Maybe bring a spare AP and link it with the hotel's ;) May 26 09:21:09 It worked May 26 09:21:17 btw May 26 09:21:25 the blank timeout was only 120 May 26 09:21:32 (less than dim timeout) May 26 09:21:43 so dim supercedes, interesting. May 26 09:21:52 i.e. can't black if you haven't dimmed May 26 09:21:53 and the screen did not blanked at 120, it remained light May 26 09:22:01 ok will bring my crapp ap. i'll try to provide a live cam setup to film tablets May 26 09:22:01 at 900, it dimmed and blanked :-) May 26 09:22:03 blank May 26 09:22:16 and 900 was not in the list of allowable timeouts May 26 09:22:24 going to get the usb networking and film-box going May 26 09:22:29 jldiaz, excellent! and you didn't pass a list but type int, right? May 26 09:22:30 so i can control tablet from laptop May 26 09:22:37 yes May 26 09:22:50 gconftool -s /system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout -t int 900 May 26 09:23:00 note that the key name is "display_dim_timeout" May 26 09:23:14 not "possible_display_dim_timeouts" May 26 09:23:35 yep, i used that one too. May 26 09:26:27 btw.. there is much difference in power consumption betweenm blank screen and dim screen? May 26 09:28:27 not sure. i will write a script to poll battery levels at different screen levels... May 26 09:28:58 strange... I ran "battery-status" from commandline, and it reported me 57% May 26 09:29:06 however, the systray icon is full May 26 09:29:16 systray icon sucks May 26 09:29:22 and reports me "6days/4hours" May 26 09:29:22 :) May 26 09:29:36 systray icon does suck on the battery May 26 09:29:57 kcbatt is nice too (gets values from raw retu device) but I don't get the output :p May 26 09:30:20 If I recall correctly, battery-status obtains the battery level by asking to the systray applet, via dbus May 26 09:30:20 hi, someone has python's setuptools easy_install working? I have installed python2.5-setuptools from the extra repo of chinhook but it requires the pkg-resources package May 26 09:30:25 thanks May 26 09:31:01 jldiaz, yes May 26 09:31:18 there is not any other way? May 26 09:31:22 I just use both and take my pick out of which value I believe :P May 26 09:31:27 kcbatt is open source May 26 09:31:33 iirc May 26 09:31:40 kcbatt... ok May 26 09:31:48 kcbatt gets values from retu, not from applet May 26 09:31:58 retu will be more accurate May 26 09:34:07 hi lardman. Found a way to make my dsp sound like a car subwoofer? :p May 26 09:34:34 qwerty12: where's the source for kcbatt? May 26 09:34:54 Same folder as kcbatt May 26 09:34:56 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kcbatt/ May 26 09:35:03 kcbatt.c I assujme May 26 09:35:06 *assume May 26 09:35:14 ah, company firewall blocking here.. May 26 09:35:42 I guess dcc is out of question? :p. If you want it, give me a hosting site that works for you. May 26 09:35:59 no need, I can use links outside our company May 26 09:36:05 Ah, ok May 26 09:36:46 * qwerty12 goes off to compile another kernel. I must add in pH5's beta/unfinished (?) powervr driver May 26 09:37:15 qwerty12: you got a link for that? May 26 09:37:34 It's on KotCzarny's server May 26 09:38:00 BTW, I added in your dsp fb patch. No idea what it does but I'm a tosser anywayz May 26 09:38:22 keesj: ping? May 26 09:39:30 qwerty12: just allows the dsp to specify the output x,y,width & height, rather than the kernel reading the 4 16bit values which happen to follow the pointer to the struct it is passed (and usually producing rubbish output) May 26 09:39:52 Ah, ok, thanks May 26 09:40:07 * qwerty12 also really <3's fanoush's patch to use make menuconfig in sbox May 26 09:41:03 qwerty12: unpatched kernel is ok for the LCD controller in the 770 as it can't specify the output x,y,width & height. Looks like no-one bothered to update it as they stopped using the DSP for fb access May 26 09:41:47 Morning, all May 26 09:41:51 * qwerty12 nods, thanks for explanation lardman May 26 09:41:55 X-Fade_: pong May 26 09:41:58 Morning May 26 09:42:01 timely: pong May 26 09:42:13 Jaffa: Do you have admin rights on the new wiki? May 26 09:42:31 X-Fade_: NAFAIK, but I've not tried (or checked) May 26 09:42:51 qwerty12: I give up, do you have an url for KotCzarny's website? May 26 09:43:01 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/946765.diff May 26 09:43:01 Jaffa: Ah, well me neither. But it seems that an admin can just edit the stylesheet from within the wiki. May 26 09:43:09 I posted kcbatt link few mins before :p May 26 09:43:14 Jaffa: https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.css&action=edit May 26 09:43:15 X-Fade_: ah, cool. May 26 09:43:35 "For now this driver only turns on the clocks and power to the PowerVR MBX peripheral integrated into OMAP2420 CPUs." - If I embed this into the kernel instead of module, I guess more of my battery will be wasted? May 26 09:43:52 But I need admin rights to do that ;) So I guess I'll go and get that first. May 26 09:44:07 X-Fade_: "You do not have permission to do that" :-/ May 26 09:44:11 qwerty12: I seem to remember him saying that it wouldn't do much other than being a proof of concept May 26 09:44:35 Jaffa: Yep. But GA should be able to, I think. May 26 09:45:04 lardman, Yeah, I know it wasn't complete but clocks and power seem to be a good start :/ May 26 09:45:26 lardman: Thanks for the ticket btw ;) May 26 09:45:43 qwerty12: absolutely, but depends on whether you plan on hacking on it; otherwise might not be worth it May 26 09:47:03 X-Fade_: pastebin new css somewhere May 26 09:47:21 hrw: Yeah, need to create it first ;) May 26 09:47:57 lardman, I don't think it will be worth it anyway. If memory serves me well, some interesting things were said at #maemo-meeting May 26 09:48:50 hm.. dneary is probably the only one with proper rights. May 26 09:48:56 qwerty12: yes, will have to ask in person this week :) May 26 09:48:58 I also lack permission May 26 09:49:23 hrw: I'll get them. May 26 09:49:47 Khertan, Overreact much? May 26 09:49:48 :p May 26 09:49:52 lardman, :) May 26 09:50:32 GoodByeMyNIT, flasher -f -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -R ;) May 26 09:50:47 qwerty12 > failed May 26 09:51:44 i ve tryed several times ... May 26 09:51:58 What's going wrong then? May 26 09:52:19 at 32% while uploading... device shutdown May 26 09:52:38 Is the charger in? May 26 09:52:56 no May 26 09:53:11 Maybe its running out of power? May 26 09:53:12 i ve try with it too May 26 09:53:30 battery is fully charged (it s the same in my phone) May 26 09:54:16 GoodByeMyNIT: connect charger just in case May 26 09:54:30 w00t, gronmayer is back :) May 26 09:55:36 cool May 26 09:55:56 Who wants to add the diablo repo there? :P May 26 09:56:07 hrw > i ve tryed too ... May 26 09:56:23 it s still under waranty ... May 26 09:56:27 so i ll send it ... May 26 09:56:44 GoodByeMyNIT: question... May 26 09:56:52 ? May 26 09:56:54 GoodByeMyNIT: did it worked properly before? May 26 09:56:57 yes May 26 09:57:31 qwerty12: diablo can be installed only by update? May 26 09:57:48 hrw, For us non nokians yes. May 26 09:57:58 I think FIASCO image exists internally. May 26 09:58:03 I'm running diablo now. May 26 09:58:21 qwerty12: will have to dump current rootfs and try diablo one day May 26 09:58:21 just three or four times when i close the keyboard the device shutdown without reason May 26 09:58:34 I am curious how many things are not fixed still May 26 09:58:41 Quite a lot :/ May 26 09:58:45 hrw: my guess, "lots" May 26 09:58:55 qwerty12: is there an updated Maps app? May 26 09:59:01 Only thing to me that stands out is that finger recognition is fixed. May 26 09:59:09 Jaffa, Don't think so but I don't use maps May 26 09:59:09 is there a deadline for diablo ? May 26 09:59:36 Khertan_theReal: End of June (2Q). Wouldn't be surprised if it was missed. May 26 10:00:23 * qwerty12 sets up a quick unofficial diablo target in sbox May 26 10:00:34 Jaffa > i prefer they missed it and they deliver a good well tested and stable release. May 26 10:00:58 Anybody knows how to get a list of URLs to .deb files to do offline installation of a package (I need evince and no internet connection here)? May 26 10:01:44 Khertan_theReal: I'd rather they released early and released often - especially with SSU. May 26 10:02:19 Jaffa > yes ... but only if ssu is well working :) May 26 10:02:38 zap > repository.mameo.org May 26 10:02:55 yes, but it needs quite a number of deps May 26 10:03:37 So far, SSU works flawlessly. Except for them providing too big initfs image (means I have to go on computer and strip it out myself) and them providing kernel that won't boot on N810 (not a problem for me as I use N800) but I guess those problems won't exist in final. May 26 10:36:04 Hello May 26 10:36:26 Is there anybody who needs a LinuxTag pass? I have some more now. May 26 10:37:15 X-Fade_: thanks! May 26 10:38:12 keesj: Now practice your german ;) May 26 10:38:41 yes, I now have been able to download a pdf with my name on it May 26 10:38:50 w00t, new SSU update out! May 26 10:38:53 keesj: And mine too, I guess ;) May 26 10:39:10 yep, I know who you are May 26 10:39:27 I have lardman's on the back of mine ;) May 26 10:41:43 I need to talk wit boss... to know does lt or not lt May 26 10:43:27 W00t pidgin May 26 10:45:54 wheres the VM for maemo development? May 26 10:47:31 nevermind. I've found it May 26 10:48:00 dneary: hi, are you going to linuxtag? May 26 10:55:05 shit. May 26 10:55:12 serial port in my laptop died May 26 10:55:37 My N800 died during latest SSU update :/ May 26 10:56:05 POS keeps rebooting now at boot May 26 10:57:14 Gonna reflash chinook and install diablo again later. May 26 11:04:16 bbl May 26 11:23:11 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3161 May 26 11:23:14 Ha May 26 11:23:36 Now let's see if Nokia will move on their side of things. . . . May 26 11:23:56 andre____, thanks. ;) May 26 11:26:23 GAN800, heh, sure. let me see what i can do May 26 11:27:30 Personally, I'm not optimistic. <_< May 26 11:28:36 I thought I rememebered someone saying that the spec was more "flexible" now...? May 26 11:28:50 GAN800, looks like most people aren't optimistic. we're here to change that ;-) May 26 11:29:00 I've yet to see any evidence of that. May 26 11:29:15 Some things are silly - such as the menus not wrapping round when scrolling up/down May 26 11:29:33 I'm sure the list goes on and on May 26 11:29:36 file bugs! you can now! :) May 26 11:29:43 already done May 26 11:29:51 no idea what number it is though May 26 11:29:53 which ID? May 26 11:30:02 hmm May 26 11:30:03 After enough years of getting beat down on these things over and over there's a lot of inertia behind the pessimism. :( May 26 11:30:16 wasn't my bug, I'll have to search my email archive to see if I got a reply from it May 26 11:30:17 sure, i understand that May 26 11:32:29 #303 is probably a fair way to sum everything up in a nice little bitsize manner. May 26 11:33:21 * andre____ takes a look May 26 11:33:23 :) May 26 11:33:29 that's a runner May 26 11:35:50 Ugh . . . osso-email is eating my mail. May 26 11:36:06 I'll be so glad when that thing is finally put down. May 26 11:36:10 is it happy though? May 26 11:36:25 I hope not. May 26 11:36:33 GAN800: eating it? I seemed to lose any mail from maemo-* while I was away and using it May 26 11:36:52 GAN800: not sure whether it was the client or my spam filter going mad May 26 11:37:26 Seriously, they may need to assign some guy to look at user submitted bugs and copy the most important ones into their internal bug tracker May 26 11:37:57 RST38h: What do you think Andre's job is ;) May 26 11:38:16 I keep getting new mail notifications, Modest throws a millisecond error dialog when trying to open from the notification and the new mail isn't in my inbox when I open it from the Application Menu. May 26 11:38:26 X-Fade_: correct :) May 26 11:38:32 XFade: I wish him success then =) May 26 11:38:34 what is the difference between bugzilla and garage bug tracker btw.? May 26 11:38:51 RST38h: Nokia hired Andre and Karsten to do just that. May 26 11:39:06 I'm assuming osso-email is grabbing them, but I deleted its .desktop. May 26 11:39:10 Well and a lot of other things ;) May 26 11:39:21 nomis: garage is for the garage component in question May 26 11:39:46 nomis: e.g. mplayer bugs should go to the Garage bugtracker for that app May 26 11:40:15 Hehe, gentlemen, this is just too rich to keep it from you: May 26 11:40:15 nomis: maemo bugzilla contains "official" software, garage tracker everything else of the universe :) May 26 11:41:29 Microsoft Mobile Comm Business Division and HTC marketing folks are holding a contest on the best story about how WinMobile communicator is helping its user in performing everyday tasks May 26 11:41:43 The winner will get HTC P3350 May 26 11:42:06 trickie: if i remember correctly dave will be there, yes May 26 11:42:07 jldiaz: one question May 26 11:42:35 I was using a WinMobile communicator, got tired of it in a month May 26 11:42:36 when you launch the x2x program, do you see anything in the N800 screen? May 26 11:42:43 then I thrown it out of window and bought a N810 May 26 11:43:16 I'm very grateful to MS for their horrible PocketPC, it gave me a feeling what a real OS means May 26 11:43:31 will this classify? May 26 11:43:36 probably not May 26 11:43:51 Maybe this one will: May 26 11:43:55 sad :( I want a HTC P3350 so that I can throw it out of window once more May 26 11:44:15 "I love my WinMobile communicator. It helps me throw up after a hard day of business restaurant dining" May 26 11:44:15 Anybody besides qwerty12 tried the SSU update today. May 26 11:44:22 andre____: ta, i thought we could organise even an hour or two to 'wiki sprint' May 26 11:45:02 trickie: the break at noon sounds long enough to do that, yeah. pity i can't be there :-/ May 26 11:45:50 ok cool May 26 11:45:58 the break part i mean is cool May 26 11:46:04 When are you guys there? I'll be arriving on Wednesday afternoon, so I can meet up on Wednesday too. May 26 11:46:05 pity you are not there also :( May 26 11:46:17 trickie, http://www.linuxtag.org/2008/en/conf/events/vp-donnerstag.html May 26 11:46:27 X-Fade_: im flying in lateish wed evening May 26 11:46:37 only gonna be around thurs/fri May 26 11:47:00 trickie: i could be there in the morning or evening, but not in the afternoon - university lessons :-( May 26 11:47:44 andre____: well hope you get to see some of the conference anyway May 26 11:48:34 yupp May 26 11:51:24 X-Fade_, are you in the nokia hotel as well May 26 11:51:32 Yep. May 26 11:51:53 good, sounds like a plan then, just sit in the bar drinking and playing with nokia :) May 26 11:52:54 I think we also need to plan a Numpty level design sprint ;) May 26 11:53:05 heheh May 26 11:53:36 ahem, we might, as long as it doesnt include another spiral May 26 11:53:54 Pfft May 26 11:54:10 You're just weak of will, lcuk. :p May 26 11:54:57 are you guys in the nokia hotel close to the conference site? May 26 11:55:01 I'm around from Tuesday evening May 26 11:55:05 no im not, i've just got better things to do than try to make 1/225inch movements with cursor ;) May 26 11:55:15 ive got WORK on tuesday :( May 26 11:55:24 me too, flying in the evening May 26 11:55:33 flying at 4am wed May 26 11:56:04 manchester to amsterdam....then walking the rest of the way.. to the next terminal for a flight to berlin May 26 11:58:11 6pm Bristol -> Berlin :) May 26 11:58:27 <_berto_> i'm arriving on wednesday May 26 11:58:29 that would have been better, damn May 26 12:00:02 have we all got our presentations sorted? May 26 12:00:54 lcuk: which presentation you doing? May 26 12:01:07 the first one May 26 12:01:52 <_berto_> btw, how are the presentations going to be? standard lightning talks with some slides? May 26 12:01:55 Does anybody know what projector etc is used? I hope my laptop works with it ;) May 26 12:04:36 _berto_: I think that is what mine is going to be. Doesn't have to be long and with lots of slides. May 26 12:04:54 <_berto_> of course not, we have just 5-10 min :) May 26 12:05:21 _berto_: Well at 50FPS you can do a lot of slides :) May 26 12:05:38 <_berto_> :D May 26 12:06:37 * lardman has no idea the format of the presentations May 26 12:06:48 <_berto_> i'll prepare some slides May 26 12:07:11 heh, i best include slides showing irc ;) May 26 12:09:11 :) May 26 12:10:10 hum some projector haven't 50fps ... :) May 26 12:10:26 s/haven't / can't display May 26 12:13:28 Khertan_theReal, :) hello. i have to say for now thank you for pygtkeditor, its useful for when i am coding in c directly on device May 26 12:13:48 though its got some bugs and crashes often when i try things, ill give full bug report when i get back May 26 12:15:09 your welcome ... May 26 12:15:19 and if you have any suggestion too :) May 26 12:15:41 i do indeed, you will see the starting of something which i hope will work for lots of things soon.. May 26 12:15:44 it s just i ll can't do this before two or three weeks ... as my n810 died today :) May 26 12:30:17 Khertan_theReal, what happened to it? May 26 12:53:19 X-Fade_, no admin rights here. May 26 12:54:00 GAN8001: I have them now. Just need to find some time to create the css itself. May 26 12:55:13 GAN8001: Did you see the front page? It is pretty cluttered right now? :) May 26 12:57:48 Yeah May 26 12:57:53 Somebody came in and screwed around May 26 12:58:35 https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Special:Recentchanges May 26 12:58:46 Looks like one "ludovicus" May 26 12:58:50 Never heard of him. May 26 12:58:54 Yep. May 26 12:59:09 He did a lot of changes, it seems. May 26 12:59:20 We need to get rolling mediawiki side before more little fairies decide to try to impose their idea of "order" on it. :D May 26 13:00:27 dneary, how close are we getting? May 26 13:00:34 Well, it can be set to immutable? May 26 13:06:01 someone knows how to set km instead of mi in gpxview? May 26 13:09:09 GAN8001: Indeed, I want to make the front page more manageable May 26 13:09:18 4 sections, full stop May 26 13:09:26 No Category: links, if I can help it May 26 13:09:43 And I wanted to rename many of the migrated pages May 26 13:09:47 So what will the sections link to? May 26 13:11:59 Has anybody managed to get a USB GPS device working with Maemo Mapper? May 26 13:15:03 I think ludovicus was on IRC at one stage May 26 13:17:26 GAN8001: Users, Developers, Community... May 26 13:17:31 Can't think of a 4th one May 26 13:18:19 What's in Users? May 26 13:18:23 HowTos, etc? May 26 13:19:31 ludovicus isn't in any of the #maemo logs, maybe you're thinking of locutus? May 26 13:20:39 Ludovicus is a new member. He registered the 22nd. May 26 13:29:40 hi May 26 13:53:37 GAN8001: Users would have included things like howtos, upgrading/finding software, troubleshooting May 26 13:53:51 GAN8001: I believe he sent me an email asking to help. May 26 13:53:59 He's certainly enthusiastic :) May 26 13:53:59 Does OMAP2420 contain a hardware floating-point co-processor? Can't find info on it May 26 13:55:58 Hehe. Unfortunately, a large amount of that enthusiasm is going to waste at the moment. <_< May 26 14:00:00 dneary: hi there! May 26 14:00:08 hi trickie May 26 14:00:42 dneary: we were discussing the possibiltiy of a wiki sprint at linuxtag in the couple of hours break in the maemo track on thursday May 26 14:00:58 we == mainly me :) May 26 14:02:23 dneary: you gonna be around at linuxtag? andre____ said you might be May 26 14:02:36 Yes! May 26 14:02:38 Great idea! May 26 14:02:43 And yes, I'll be there May 26 14:02:48 cool May 26 14:02:51 We should get qgil in on the act ;) May 26 14:02:57 hehe May 26 14:03:23 i haven't had much time top help out unfortunately, so i figure that time is as good as any to get somethign done! May 26 14:03:27 zap: not omap per se, but the arm chip has a vfp coprocessor May 26 14:03:43 dneary: for sure May 26 14:10:09 zap: why do you ask? May 26 14:22:00 phew! o2 had an emergency charger (takes single aa battery) May 26 14:22:37 X-Fade_, think im set now May 26 14:22:56 thx for earlier May 26 14:23:13 lcuk: Good to hear that :) May 26 14:23:15 if they have an emergency firmware i take it too :) May 26 14:27:29 Khertan_theReal: What did you do? May 26 14:33:29 X-Fade_ > killing my n810 :) May 26 14:33:55 for information, two days ago ... my n810 was slowing down ... really slowing down May 26 14:34:10 and i see the process pdflush eating 100 % of the cpu ... May 26 14:34:30 so with an ssh session i see that / was full ... :( May 26 14:34:30 Sounds like a bad flash? May 26 14:34:43 Ah yeah, that can happen too :) May 26 14:34:55 a stupid kernel module writing too much log May 26 14:35:00 uninstall some crap May 26 14:35:05 so i ve make a bit clean May 26 14:35:18 that pygtkeditor is just taking up space ;) delete it May 26 14:35:19 but after have 60% free on / May 26 14:35:28 i have still the problem May 26 14:35:37 lcuk > pygtkeditor is on mmc :) May 26 14:35:42 so i flash it May 26 14:35:46 did you clean off the 2gb internal card May 26 14:35:50 with the last kernel May 26 14:35:56 format the internal card May 26 14:36:10 and 2 days after it wont boot staying on nokia logo May 26 14:36:15 yer, the internal card has a corruption problem if it gets full May 26 14:36:32 so i try to flash it again ... and flash always fail at 32% May 26 14:36:33 anyone remembers how much of the root filesystem is used by the buil-in apps/os? May 26 14:36:48 jldiaz > i think 50% May 26 14:36:53 khertan, i gather you popped the battery and did a total full reset May 26 14:37:05 already done May 26 14:37:08 Hmm.. I guess it could be deduced from the jffs2 images provided by nokia May 26 14:37:11 oh cripes May 26 14:37:18 (deduced->derived) May 26 14:37:28 (false friends...) May 26 14:38:13 i think the 100% / was just the seeing face of the iceberf May 26 14:38:16 iceberg May 26 14:38:29 and mine n810 have some memory problem May 26 14:39:31 i ve already get some strange shutdown May 26 14:39:39 engage nokia recovery personel. khertan, assume the party escort position whilst the nokia team do their work May 26 14:39:58 alternatively, call it in as an RMA May 26 14:40:05 the party escort position ? May 26 14:40:34 (sorry i'm french :) and my english sucks too much) May 26 14:41:24 i ll try again at home this night to flash it with a real os ... (linux) May 26 14:41:36 and if none works i ll tell their tomorrow May 26 14:41:45 the device is still under waranty May 26 14:41:46 http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Portal/Chamber_19 May 26 14:44:31 lcuk> ouch ! May 26 14:45:23 actually a classy game :) though since i started playing nokia its been left alone and unloved May 26 14:46:11 http://strategywiki.org/wiki/M.U.S.C.L.E. :) May 26 15:15:45 Sigh, Darius is spamming again ;) May 26 15:17:38 Show, show me! May 26 15:17:53 * RST38h feels like sodomizing a troll or two May 26 15:17:54 gnieé ? May 26 15:20:19 hey john May 26 15:20:23 hey May 26 15:20:37 I think it was rebooting because I removed a service May 26 15:20:43 johnx, You in Japan? :) May 26 15:20:55 yeah May 26 15:21:03 Cool! :) May 26 15:21:03 guessed from my host mask? May 26 15:21:07 Yes :) May 26 15:21:17 After watching Tokyo Drift again, I want to go :( May 26 15:21:25 gah...tokyo drift May 26 15:21:28 * johnx kries May 26 15:29:20 <3 Portal May 26 15:29:32 yes, it's pretty awesome May 26 15:29:40 <3 half life May 26 15:29:52 so, there will be a official service manager in diablo? May 26 15:29:54 I used to play portal but then I couldn't be arsed to get the latest gcfs... May 26 15:30:03 t_s_o, no May 26 15:30:04 played from day 1, it was run replaying original half life May 26 15:30:17 fun May 26 15:30:22 ffs im gonna RMA my fingers May 26 15:30:52 qwerty12: so what was that screenshot of on the forum? May 26 15:30:53 X-Fade_, can't you ban him for spam or something? :D May 26 15:31:16 t_s_o, Something else I installed. comes with usb networking stuff. you can even get in chinook May 26 15:32:03 hmm, i should probably look it up then ;) May 26 15:32:13 Hmm, anyone know how to package a python app? May 26 15:32:26 isnt there a python packager thingy May 26 15:32:40 t_s_o, I've already done that and I'm gonna have to do it again, reflashed today :/ May 26 15:32:52 lcuk, That's a python app to create debs in general May 26 15:33:30 i would assume since its wrote in python it would be self packaging hence you could package your other python apps with it.. May 26 15:34:10 No matter, http://home.cfl.rr.com/genecash/nokia/making_packages.html - gene cash comes to the rescue May 26 15:35:56 GAN8001: That is possible, but I don't know what to think of him. Is he really thinking he is doing a good thing? May 26 15:36:19 He's off his rocker, that's for sure. May 26 15:37:11 It's mostly just comedy gold when he's spamming itT, but the lists seem to be spam of the more harmful sort. May 26 15:39:28 X-Fade_: Any idea where this page came from? https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Maemo_Training May 26 15:43:44 dneary, aren't you meant to know EVERYTHING nowadays ;) May 26 15:44:29 qwerty12: would that be the usb-otg-plugin? May 26 15:44:30 It would be easier if the Debian changelog format was documented anywhere, but it's not, and every time I touched it, the Debian tools refused to ever use it again. May 26 15:44:34 "" May 26 15:44:53 ty qwerty12 you're super-helpful May 26 15:44:55 is there a changelog for the changelog? May 26 15:45:57 pupnik, what? :P. Why am I being thanked? :) May 26 15:45:57 for the changelog for the changelog . . . May 26 15:46:01 * GAN8001 's head explodes. May 26 15:46:01 pupnik, i have an emergency charger now for my 810 - its just a single AA battery with a nokia plug on end :) its gonna keep me topped up forever May 26 15:46:17 Unless it was /sarcasm? May 26 15:46:18 WHAT May 26 15:46:22 no sarcasm May 26 15:46:26 (as long as i have everlasting supply of AA's ) May 26 15:46:30 useful python plug May 26 15:46:35 aa is 1.2v or so May 26 15:46:51 lcuk, so you're using a voltage regulator? May 26 15:47:18 * GAN8001 picked up one of the adaptors that was on woot a few weeks ago. May 26 15:47:30 You can plug two 9vs to charge in an emergency. May 26 15:48:16 i dunno, its a lipstick tube i got the from o2 shop and the package said "emergency charger" May 26 15:48:16 apply directly to your moistened temples: May 26 15:48:17 ? May 26 15:48:29 ezi now May 26 15:48:34 * qwerty12|busy goes back to being busy... May 26 15:48:39 lol May 26 15:48:51 i dont normally mark as busy because im normally floating around May 26 15:49:28 Also, it's irritating. :P May 26 15:49:44 http://www.schlemmerinfo.de/eng/berlin/kategorien/asien/thailand/index.html Thai restaurants Berlin May 26 15:50:19 who's going to be in Berlin tomorrow? May 26 15:50:33 i'll be there on wednsday May 26 15:53:08 lcuk: I *do* know everything May 26 15:53:15 It's understanding that's the problem May 26 15:53:29 I'm arriving tomorrow afternoon May 26 15:53:43 im working tomorrow afternoon May 26 15:53:49 bleugh! May 26 15:54:21 * lcuk has never travelled so far on his own before May 26 15:54:51 aww May 26 15:55:06 Need the hostess to hold your hand? May 26 15:55:19 not my hand May 26 15:55:21 * mgedmin hates traveling alone May 26 15:55:26 lol May 26 15:55:38 i might drop my 810 May 26 15:55:42 So how does a ./setup.py work. I can't for the life of my figure it out :/ May 26 15:55:42 what's in bernlin? May 26 15:55:47 linuxtag May 26 15:55:50 oh May 26 15:56:01 I was just at a conference May 26 15:56:02 does a ./setup.py work? that is the question May 26 15:56:14 I just get usage: setup.py [global_opts] cmd1 [cmd1_opts] [cmd2 [cmd2_opts] ...] May 26 15:56:19 & error: no commands supplied May 26 15:56:31 do we know what arrangements are set for wednesday night yet May 26 15:56:34 what is your goal, qwerty12|busy? May 26 15:56:45 to install the package into /usr/, do python setup.py install May 26 15:56:52 Ah, ok thanks May 26 15:56:53 if you don't want to install it, ignore the setup.py May 26 15:56:54 is quim planning to get as many together as possible so we at least know each others faces before thursday May 26 15:57:00 I'm trying to package a app too :/ May 26 15:57:01 unless the package needs some C extension modules May 26 15:57:16 lcuk: I'd like to know that too May 26 15:57:35 i will be sat in hotel bar with nokia and a big beer May 26 15:58:03 or in the toilets practicing my speech May 26 15:58:40 "...with a nokia floating in a big beer" May 26 15:58:50 lcuk, or escaping out the window :p May 26 15:59:08 nahhh, im ready for talking to enough folks May 26 15:59:17 as long as i know what i am gonna say ill be find May 26 15:59:26 e May 26 15:59:46 * lcuk takes a speech synth and an anomymous mask May 26 16:00:55 Ha May 26 16:03:06 ah, found it. it had been hiding in the app manager all along. just had to look up some maemo packages to find them. i really hope the diablo app manager have a button for showing whats new, not just whats updates of whats already installed May 26 16:03:32 Not yet, t_s_o. May 26 16:03:44 w00t! I've made my first python deb!, now I just got to find the shit... May 26 16:04:01 apt-get install poo May 26 16:05:08 Package poo is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. The new package is called piss. May 26 16:05:10 t_s_o, they're very receptive to enhancement requests, though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3103 May 26 16:05:55 lcuk: well we're in the same 'otel May 26 16:06:35 wed night i'll be free May 26 16:06:46 just got a good recommendation for a thai restaurant for lunch May 26 16:07:00 http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=en&geocode=&q=buddha+haus&near=berlin+germany&jsv=113&sll=52.523533,13.41156&sspn=0.154369,0.382462&ie=UTF8&latlng=52486980,13355125,1435183997478949524&ei=At86SOyXH5awoQPAjJTtAg&cd=1 May 26 16:07:21 near the hotel too May 26 16:07:30 btw is breakfast included? May 26 16:07:37 i take that as will be some day after diablos release, GAN800 May 26 16:08:45 pupnik, im not sure, but to maintain my diet and make sure i dont fart all over the stage im not risking any none conventional food during this break May 26 16:09:04 oki May 26 16:09:15 i'm bringing food to save on money :| May 26 16:09:36 im bringing a packed lunch for the outbound journey, damn shame i cant bring a bottle of wine May 26 16:10:00 and i gather there will be supermarkets etc to restock up and make for the homeward bound leg May 26 16:10:10 budget will be tight for me as well ;) May 26 16:10:28 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/05/26/i-found-nice-thing/ May 26 16:10:33 t_s_o, I'm imagining most of the effort went into working on SSU this time around. May 26 16:11:23 oh crap, ive borkened komodo edit up May 26 16:12:00 hrw, My friends always have them on their usb's in school May 26 16:12:09 hmm, whats the task of the multimedia daemon? May 26 16:13:53 * qwerty12 goes to reflash chinook and reinstall diablo May 26 16:17:19 what's the best way of meeting up when we get there, as I'm in another hotel? May 26 16:17:25 email, messenger? May 26 16:26:12 * Cymor is back (gone 18:31:18) May 26 16:26:37 lardman, you want my mobile #? May 26 16:27:06 do you wanna come over to our hotel since there are more of us there May 26 16:27:12 lardman, when you get the #, post it here so I can do some prank calls :P May 26 16:27:34 lardman, when you get the number, tell me cos i cant remember it May 26 16:28:07 0785 181 May 26 16:28:25 qwerty12, you can waste your credit finding the last bit May 26 16:28:54 lol May 26 16:29:03 I'll pass it to my friends, we can all have a go :p May 26 16:29:30 ok when you find it, let me know which it was May 26 16:29:44 You aren't serious? May 26 16:30:48 ;) May 26 16:32:35 im a technophobe - this phone scares me :P May 26 16:32:59 who slashdotted artotel website? May 26 16:33:15 lcuk, what are you doing with N810 then :p May 26 16:33:56 lcuk: what phone? May 26 16:34:14 im joking, its my crappy o2 ice May 26 16:34:28 and i do know the number (just) May 26 16:34:55 its strange, i can remember the phone numbers we had at home when i was a child but i have trouble remembering mobile numbers May 26 16:34:59 * qwerty12 is happy with w810 & p1i. Probably gonna shott the N80 soon May 26 16:35:20 lcuk, I gave up trying to remember numbers after my family changed them so much >.< May 26 16:35:32 i think they are just too long.. May 26 16:35:38 with any luck I'll be getting the moto q and tethering my n810 do it May 26 16:35:47 DUCT TAPE! May 26 16:36:04 it's possible ;-) May 26 16:36:22 i taped my camera to an ironing board yesterday May 26 16:36:35 amongst the strangest thing ive ever done May 26 16:36:43 wtf May 26 16:37:06 www.seelcukironing.com May 26 16:37:27 ironing board has adjustable height and locks, i needed the camera to point down onto flat surface and be steady so i could take a movie of my 810 and use it at same time May 26 16:37:36 Ah May 26 16:37:59 anything else i tried it wobbled around and did not stay in focus (using macro zoom to make a movie) May 26 16:38:17 :S May 26 16:40:15 * Cymor is away: afk May 26 16:47:01 I wonder if the wireless at art'otel is free or not May 26 16:58:56 Any one know a linux program that will extract sisx files? Don't want to reboot into windows :/ May 26 17:00:20 lcuk: yep that would be useful, do you want to email it to me? May 26 17:00:37 hmmm, so pm not working.. May 26 17:00:45 i sent them a few mins back May 26 17:00:59 * lardman is trying to correct a paper (deadline today) so not been paying much attention May 26 17:01:20 pm using what? May 26 17:02:39 using irc, ive mailed it anyway May 26 17:02:42 your .ac account May 26 17:02:48 thanks May 26 17:04:13 whats the best tool to convert movies with - ive taken a few small shots of my program but dont want them taking up 1/2 gb May 26 17:04:24 (note im in windows ;) ) May 26 17:04:58 no idea, I don't do much movie converting unless it's for the n8x0 May 26 17:05:43 lol yer May 26 17:06:15 ive managed to get some pretty clear 640*480 movies :) May 26 17:06:22 Hi May 26 17:06:30 hi dn May 26 17:06:33 Anyone here know how to get extra video codecs onto the tablet? May 26 17:06:51 where to get the debs, how to get them working with media player, etcN May 26 17:06:54 mplayer. . . . May 26 17:07:09 dneary: media player doesn't support adding codecs May 26 17:07:17 Ok May 26 17:07:20 That sucks a bit May 26 17:07:32 dneary, you should know, use the nokia media convertor thing and doesnt that reencode into something your nokia can understand? May 26 17:07:37 http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/ :P May 26 17:07:38 it's possible to do it though but not as convenient as it should be May 26 17:07:47 kulve: FYI: http://blogs.gnome.org/bolsh/2008/05/26/call-for-help/ May 26 17:08:31 Media player should just be forgotten right now. May 26 17:08:31 in that case transcoding is the way to go May 26 17:08:44 ie my desktop has codecs for MP128 super 3d holo movies, run it through the converter will make it playable at correct bitrate and encoding May 26 17:08:46 Now that Canola has UPnP support, there's no reason to use it. May 26 17:09:01 apart from the fact i dont like canola May 26 17:09:02 ;) May 26 17:09:15 I've never got the canola running.. May 26 17:09:41 kulve. . . . May 26 17:09:43 Canola doesn't run very well when I try it May 26 17:09:44 NEVER? May 26 17:09:52 Tried beta9? May 26 17:09:59 Things are significantly improved in beta9 May 26 17:10:10 well, I've only tried twice. Once long time ago and second time was some time ago May 26 17:10:21 lol May 26 17:10:23 Maybe I'll try it again next year May 26 17:10:30 Why not try right now? May 26 17:10:35 Works great. May 26 17:10:38 not open source May 26 17:10:38 yer, dont rock the boat until you have a need for something more May 26 17:10:43 I don't need such a candy closed source app.. May 26 17:10:52 Meh, it's not the Canola dev's fault May 26 17:10:58 but isnt default media player closed source? May 26 17:11:03 yup May 26 17:11:05 They contribute all sorts of code to other open source stuff May 26 17:11:13 lcuk: yes, and I try to use mplayer ;) May 26 17:11:19 besides, the closed parts are definitely the least important parts. May 26 17:11:24 It's a bit annoying that most non-nokia packages don't have a "sources" set May 26 17:11:24 for now im not knocking them for closing the specific module May 26 17:11:49 "They" being the management May 26 17:11:50 the media engine is the closed source part, so pretty important; at least that's my understanding May 26 17:11:54 not the Canola devs. May 26 17:12:00 I mean, I try to install something and some hildon-**-python package is missing or something, it doesn't just get installed May 26 17:12:14 hell, ive not opened my code up yet (basically because its an untidy mess atm and its not ready for an audience) May 26 17:12:16 "media engine" it uses mplayer and gstreamer. . . . May 26 17:12:32 Yay! May 26 17:12:36 mplayer does it May 26 17:12:47 mplayer does a lot of things :) May 26 17:12:49 excellent May 26 17:12:52 New to the tablets much, dneary? :P May 26 17:12:55 I guess someone's going to flash my N800 up to 2008 in Berlin, I never managed it May 26 17:13:04 <_< May 26 17:13:12 oooer dneary, backup before you leave May 26 17:13:18 a proper offline backup May 26 17:13:36 GAN8001: kinda :) May 26 17:13:41 dneary, media playback is much better is OS2008. . . . May 26 17:13:45 for some applications May 26 17:13:54 It's not hard to flash, either, you just download the firmware and flash away. May 26 17:14:15 I think I tried once, and ended up reverting because some stuff broke May 26 17:14:36 Seriously, you get 70 extra megahertz with OS2008. . . . May 26 17:14:54 It's the world's cheapest processor upgrade. May 26 17:14:55 when? ondemand scheduling keeps it low most of the time ;) May 26 17:15:04 Quiet, lcuk. May 26 17:15:10 It ramps up when you need it. :\ May 26 17:15:18 and you cant have it when theres an mp3 playing May 26 17:15:31 (or anything dsp) May 26 17:15:33 You can if you use a non-stock kernel. May 26 17:15:45 and i can count those people on one hand ;) May 26 17:15:56 Bull May 26 17:16:10 There are a significant number of people using fanoush's stuff. May 26 17:17:06 power to the DSP! May 26 17:17:14 who needs a puny ARM processor! May 26 17:17:19 cap'n she cannae take it, she will blow May 26 17:17:24 hmm, must be the beer talking May 26 17:17:37 ugh May 26 17:17:40 bad nickalert May 26 17:17:47 * Cptnodegard slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout May 26 17:17:59 lardman, what is the "media engine"? :P May 26 17:17:59 huh? May 26 17:20:38 GAN8001: no idea, but iirc that's the closed bit of Canola May 26 17:20:48 the main program May 26 17:21:13 Well, for playback, it's just gstreamer and/or mplayer May 26 17:21:35 The closed part is basically the candy interface. May 26 17:22:13 They contributed a ton to open source stuff May 26 17:22:16 isnt it wrote in python? May 26 17:22:23 lightmediascanner May 26 17:22:30 efl May 26 17:22:46 PyMaemo is all INdT basically May 26 17:23:31 It is, lcuk. May 26 17:23:39 then its open source? May 26 17:23:40 Canola uses and contributes (when possible) with the following components : May 26 17:23:41 Atabake as media engine May 26 17:23:48 "Canola is not opensource, but most of it components were built straight in the communities." May 26 17:23:51 http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html May 26 17:24:14 The 16bpp engine for evas is basically all the Canola guys. May 26 17:24:29 can you produce binaries for python now then? May 26 17:27:15 lcuk: Got phone no and sent mine back May 26 17:27:25 ok :) May 26 17:27:37 i just closed everything as well .. May 26 17:29:11 :) May 26 17:41:33 hi May 26 17:59:51 any pygame expert here? May 26 18:02:14 ooh new diablo update May 26 18:03:18 atabake is the media engine which basically uses osso-media-server (as the default player and kagu) May 26 18:20:30 GAN8001: ping? May 26 18:39:42 GAN8001: Front page was sane again a few hours back May 26 18:42:44 jldiaz: I've used it a bit, although I wouldn't call myself an expert May 26 18:44:10 BTW, is it normal for MicroB 1.01 to hang when I enter "about:config"? May 26 18:45:43 not really a hang, just takes forever to update May 26 18:46:00 like ~20min or someusch May 26 18:46:06 somesuch even May 26 18:58:16 lardman: urgh May 26 18:58:55 lardman: while we are at it, do you by any chance know what makes MicroB hang for about 10-15 seconds on startup? May 26 18:59:03 [I do have adblocker installed] May 26 19:00:35 that makes me happy to hear RST38h :) That's my favorite part of moz browsing May 26 19:00:39 I don't, and it annoys the hell out of me too :) May 26 19:00:50 we need to talk to timeless about it May 26 19:01:18 summa: you mean, waiting for 15 seconds is your favorite part? May 26 19:01:28 so, what is the most hated part then? May 26 19:02:41 for me the way it seems to lockup after rendering (only for a second or two) May 26 19:07:32 its the age old problem of squashing a desktop app into a small box ;) May 26 19:08:03 yeah, just makes it a bit frustrating to use May 26 19:08:14 yer, we will solve it though May 26 19:08:16 I'd be tempted to have it preloaded even to avoid it May 26 19:08:43 i'd be tempted to see what happens if you started from scratch thinking about a nice fast display ;) May 26 19:09:11 I think lots of work :) May 26 19:09:15 some nice none visual web renderer waiting to be plugged into a rapid backend would be nice May 26 19:09:48 YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!! FLASH HAS WORK ON LINUX May 26 19:10:11 apparantly, so does caps lock May 26 19:10:20 too :) May 26 19:10:36 just need to find why pdflush break my device now May 26 19:10:55 :D glad you got past your hangup May 26 19:11:27 i think it s come from swap stored on the internal 2Gb partition May 26 19:11:39 just need to find how to format it correctly May 26 19:12:00 yer, ive been thinking about swap May 26 19:12:12 can i move it somewhere else (like onto my removable card?) May 26 19:14:30 lcuk: I guess, but you'd have to do it manually, not through the interface. May 26 19:16:06 lcuk: Are all the maemo talks ~10min jobs? May 26 19:17:00 about : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2940 : does a format from the file manager correct this ? May 26 19:20:08 lardman, as far as i am aware, we are onstage for about an hour, but the main solo discussion is only 5-10 minutes May 26 19:20:17 sudo gparted May 26 19:20:21 oups ww May 26 19:21:48 tablet-encode works great May 26 19:23:32 hum ... gparted can't format in fat May 26 19:23:35 strange May 26 19:23:42 lcuk: ok May 26 19:28:53 Hi room.anybody speak french? May 26 19:29:04 Private me May 26 19:31:04 still an other user that haven't understand that not registered user on freenode can't receive pm May 26 19:31:07 :) May 26 19:34:44 Ok i looking for cfdisk for to install it on OS2006 May 26 20:02:41 hi May 26 20:24:36 Hey where i can find a decent irc client for 810 May 26 20:26:08 * keesj wispers ssh+screen+irssi May 26 20:26:39 * elb whispers osso-xterm sucks, so good luck with that May 26 20:27:56 And i dont have ux account. Xchat maybe? May 26 20:28:10 xchat. May 26 20:28:31 requires some fiddling on maemo but works ok May 26 20:29:08 Ok thx will try May 26 20:29:27 Bush: Arlington cemetery 'watered by silent tears' May 26 20:30:10 [Dubya still being alive after this statement is another proof God does not exists] May 26 20:30:26 s/exists/exist/ May 26 20:30:26 RST38h meant: [Dubya still being alive after this statement is another proof God does not exist] May 26 20:41:42 7 slides, should be enough May 26 20:42:03 more than enough, especially at the end of the day :) May 26 20:42:28 if you add a naked women in slide 6 you can push the boundaries May 26 20:42:41 hehe May 26 20:42:55 someone rape norwegian cell providers with an axe... free data subscriptions are freaking 100 USD! May 26 20:43:13 umm... that's not free May 26 20:43:20 lol May 26 20:43:24 fixed rate then May 26 20:43:58 hi there May 26 20:44:24 w/ any luck, I'll be getting a Sprint SERO plan soon, and getting unlimited data + 500 minutes for $30/mo May 26 20:48:57 someone mentioned a python script using iwlist here yesterday. May 26 20:49:07 lardman: I managed to map 1.75MB memory shared with DSP on 770 :) but that required editing (extending) EXTMEM7 section in avs_kernelcfg.cmd May 26 20:49:40 ssvb: was there no more space above that section? May 26 20:49:49 lardman: anything else just rebooted the device May 26 20:49:51 for a completely new section I mean May 26 20:49:56 ah, I see May 26 20:50:16 did you look at the memory map, which I think is in the dspgateway spec pdf May 26 20:50:32 might give an idea of how high the memory mapping can go May 26 20:51:27 lardman: I did not try adding a completely new section to avs_kernelcfg.cmd though, just tried adding sections to task's own .cmd file May 26 20:51:52 ssvb: did you extend the memory section in the task's .cmd file? May 26 20:52:38 Hi, anyone have had the problem with the n800 that doesn't turn on and looks like is reseting continiusly? May 26 20:53:00 lardman: no, I had to edit global .cmd file May 26 20:53:20 ssvb: ok, didn't think it was possible to override - just checking May 26 20:53:24 lardman: maybe some better solution exists May 26 20:53:50 ssvb: would it not extend to 0x200000 bytes? May 26 20:54:15 I'm surprised that you got 1.75Mb, which indicates the limit is memory related rather than TLB related May 26 20:54:35 s/Mb/MB May 26 20:54:37 lardman: this looks like some kind of bug in the kernel May 26 20:55:07 lardman: maybe it crashes when it tries to span section over 3 TLB entries, have no idea May 26 20:55:21 ssvb: ah ok, I'll have a look at it next week May 26 20:55:56 lardman: 1.75MB is what seems to work more or less reliable, but that is barely enough (if it is even enough) May 26 20:56:20 ssvb: not ideal then May 26 20:56:32 lardman, can you make 2 adjacent mappings? May 26 20:56:34 ssvb: but still you can do some testing using smaller frames May 26 20:56:45 or 3 - one for each plane May 26 20:57:40 one ought to be able to map up to whatever the limit is May 26 20:57:43 lardman: sure I can, but the final goal is to play VGA video, lower resolution is not so interesting :) May 26 20:57:49 and I was told it's 16Mb May 26 20:57:53 MB even May 26 20:59:54 sirgt, sounds like it needs reflashing (only reasonable recovery option, but normal procedure) if its new to you and the data is unimportant, just follow the instructions on the nokia site May 26 21:00:21 should be 0xff8000 - 0x027fff bytes accessible May 26 21:01:18 lardman: and we need some free space in addition to frames in order to exchange data between ARM and DSP (half-processed idct coefficients, motion vectors, subtitles data, ...) May 26 21:01:44 yes May 26 21:03:29 ssvb: I'm off to LinuxTag tomorrow, and at a wedding at the weekend, but will see how far your've got and start helping again next week May 26 21:04:00 s/LinuxTag/Berlin in anticipation of LinuxTag :) May 26 21:04:26 lardman: also there is a nasty effect of memory fragmentation, when I tried to add extra section to task's .cmd file, it worked fine after reboot, but started to fail after some device use May 26 21:05:17 lardman: the memory can be reserved according to dspgateway docs, but in this case it is 'lost' to the rest of the system May 26 21:05:17 ssvb: extra MEMORY sections or variables within exisiting MEMORY sections? May 26 21:05:34 lardman: extra memory section May 26 21:08:02 lardman: ok, I'll commit the first initial revision of video accelerator dsp task to mplayer SVN repository soon May 26 21:08:12 ssvb: well there's presumably no telling where it will be placed in the main memory, but fragmentation too? May 26 21:08:27 ssvb: cool :) May 26 21:09:26 lardman: if I understand it right, we need a physically contiguous block of memory to map it to dsp, and the memory may get fragmented May 26 21:10:56 lardman: this test dsp task just performs some basic tests and benchmarks: arm-dsp roundtrip time measurement, dsp memory bandwidth benchmark, calculation of idct using imglib (hw accelerated) May 26 21:11:04 I'm not sure; from the diagram in the spec pdf it looks like non-contiguous areas can be mapped, but there is also a function to reserve contiguous areas at boot time (e.g. for the framebuffer) iirc May 26 21:12:16 lardman: nothing of practical value yet, I'll try to make some use of dma if it is possible and experiment more with pointers wrapping at page boundaries May 26 21:13:08 lardman: after that I will try to make an optimized color format conversion (and probably scaling) May 26 21:15:46 lardman: I can try to post a preliminary draft of this video accelerator roadmap to maemo developers list May 26 21:19:29 lardman: I have a feeling that Nokia 770 has a good potential for flawless playback for practically any MPEG4 ASP videos that the users may encounter :) May 26 21:30:21 So is wayfinder worth it? May 26 21:30:48 $140 for 3 years doesnt seem so bad May 26 21:31:51 ssvb: well that's certainly good news. Please let me know how I can help with it May 26 21:33:00 lardman: sure, there are a lot of things to do May 26 21:33:53 lardman: for example, investigation how to turn dsp task into installable .deb package May 26 21:35:04 that shouldn't be too bad with a bit of post-inst script magic to add the task to the conf file May 26 21:36:24 lardman: yes, but nevertheless it will need to be done (if we manage to get this dsp task useful of course) May 26 21:36:56 yep May 26 21:37:01 lardman: also checking what's wrong with the kernel and why it is rebooting, trying to reduce arm-dsp turnaround time, etc. May 26 21:37:26 with the rebooting, try running dmesg just before it reboot and you may get an inkling May 26 21:37:41 luck & timing is everything though May 26 21:38:30 ssvb: did you have a look at the dsp-flac package? they have an installable .deb May 26 21:38:32 any of you guys got canola2 working on 2008he? May 26 21:39:02 pH5: no, do you have a link? May 26 21:39:36 ssvb: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=655&release_id=1717 May 26 21:41:09 pH5: ok, googled for it May 26 21:41:28 I think they just kill dsp_dld when they could do /etc/init.d/dsp-init stop|start instead, but the basics are there. May 26 21:42:11 https://serialio.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=456 May 26 21:42:21 will that work to hook usb devices to my N810? May 26 21:42:45 er wait, isnt the N810 micro-usb? May 26 21:42:46 mza-: no, that's mini-A. n810 is micro May 26 21:43:07 shit May 26 21:43:21 does anyone sell these off the shelf? May 26 21:43:22 n810 has a micro usb port? May 26 21:43:23 oh May 26 21:45:13 I didn't find any, so I bought one of those and a micro-usb cable and frankensteined them together. May 26 21:47:40 http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1793 May 26 21:47:59 i dont think that will stay in very well May 26 21:48:10 rather have something flexible May 26 21:50:07 that is expensive :P May 26 21:50:31 mza-: those are also mini, not micro May 26 21:51:56 anyone here have aneeepc May 26 21:52:02 ineed help.. May 26 21:52:41 * timeless needs the apt pgp key for xandros May 26 21:53:29 timeless: isn't there an ubuntu version for it? May 26 21:53:39 timeless: any idea wh microb would hang for 10-15 seconds on startup? May 26 21:53:48 [i have adblock installed] May 26 21:53:57 RST38h: its mozilla, that is a feature :P May 26 21:55:27 is this abnormal May 26 21:55:38 typically there May 26 21:55:46 three questions.. is microb the default browser for the n800 os2008 and is minimo available for os2008, plus is minimo any better? May 26 21:55:54 s a hang while ld.so loads libxul May 26 21:56:09 oh May 26 21:56:20 yes.dunno . random May 26 21:56:22 but it did not take that long before, I think May 26 21:56:25 minimo is dead May 26 21:56:31 unsupportedetc May 26 21:56:32 it May 26 21:56:40 s alsonot arelease just random snapshots May 26 21:56:46 microb is an oldsnapshot May 26 21:56:57 minimocould be older or newer May 26 21:57:10 microb has better integration May 26 21:57:14 minimo is incredibly slow on my Zaurus May 26 21:57:25 or, was, haven't used it recently May 26 21:57:25 but a bleedingminimo could have somefeatures May 26 21:57:35 i would try fennec instead May 26 21:57:41 is that the browser with os2008? May 26 21:57:44 butpeople say itis slower May 26 21:57:57 microb shipsw 2008 May 26 21:57:58 timeless: you might look into fixing your spacebar May 26 21:58:04 not mine May 26 21:58:06 eeepc May 26 21:58:14 not mine toz May 26 21:58:24 I thought the eeepc was yours May 26 21:58:31 no May 26 21:58:40 i bought it for a friend May 26 21:58:43 and am configuringit May 26 21:58:50 but it isn May 26 21:58:52 t mine May 26 21:58:56 The browser im using is good but there are no tabs just new windows May 26 21:59:23 technically microb could be tabbed May 26 21:59:26 timeless: http://wiki.eeeuser.com/addingxandrosrepos May 26 21:59:35 but t is poinzless May 26 21:59:38 scroll down a bit, that'll give you the pgp key May 26 21:59:39 ooh? May 26 21:59:50 the ui for maemo IS tabs# May 26 22:00:13 sorrz,i did that May 26 22:00:16 butitdidn May 26 22:00:19 t addpgpkez May 26 22:00:23 just the errorfor it May 26 22:01:19 X-Fade_, pong. May 26 22:01:34 timeless, I still want tabs for fullscreen. :P May 26 22:01:36 I dont think it's pointless just ny opinion though May 26 22:01:48 press the homekez May 26 22:02:13 timeless: http://eeepcrepos.tuxfamily.org/ this is all I'm seeing May 26 22:02:15 I know that May 26 22:02:17 wolf, anzwaz there is support inmost pieces although we maz have disabled it May 26 22:02:33 zes i added that kez May 26 22:02:35 Home key is far away, and the home menu sucks. May 26 22:02:51 timeless: Typing on a German keyboard? ;) May 26 22:02:54 home kez gives zou task switchingC+ May 26 22:03:02 zes May 26 22:03:10 boughtingermanz May 26 22:03:10 :-)) May 26 22:03:17 in the dark... May 26 22:03:20 zuck# May 26 22:03:28 I don't think it suckss but it would be nicer to see the tabs May 26 22:03:29 Hey, we do have a space, though. ;) May 26 22:03:44 ido too ... sometimes May 26 22:04:39 The option for tabs would do me good. May 26 22:04:46 nno May 26 22:04:54 No major complaints here so far the n800 and the maemo platform have been vey nice May 26 22:05:01 zouC$d opentoo man7 windows and complain when the device reboots May 26 22:06:40 another question pertaining to java is it possible to get awt working? I would like o try and get moneydance working May 26 22:06:57 oh adblock may do a blocklist uodate... May 26 22:20:54 Anybody else brave the 21-4 waters succefully yet? May 26 22:21:18 eh ! May 26 22:21:48 21-4? as in, rootfs size? May 26 22:22:38 Latest Diablo update. May 26 22:23:51 Does that suck up a lot of battery life May 26 22:24:03 What? May 26 22:24:36 Is that diablo the game? May 26 22:26:27 No, Diablo == Chinook+1 May 26 22:26:36 Next OS2008 release. May 26 22:27:31 ah May 26 22:27:52 n800 newbie here May 26 22:29:13 Bone up, wolfspirit. ;) http://maemo.org/community/wiki/codenames/ May 26 22:29:28 shurrup gan, not everyone knows (or cares :P) May 26 22:30:41 * GAN8001 throws dead fish at lcuk. May 26 22:34:43 amelly May 26 22:35:01 s/amelly/smelly/ # gar May 26 22:36:07 hey lcuk May 26 22:36:35 hope we have a table to sit at May 26 22:37:10 night all May 26 22:38:33 so do i May 26 22:38:51 They're gonna sit you on the floor. May 26 22:39:08 pupnik, since food is on your mind more often than anything, you can arrange the seating for us, doing ninja missions into the room to fix things May 26 22:42:45 heh May 26 22:45:22 * guenther waves May 26 22:45:28 hello guenther May 26 22:45:38 hah :) May 26 22:45:45 hey pupnik May 26 22:45:57 I was about to leave for the night, not say hello... May 26 22:46:06 I just misspelled "quit". May 26 22:46:14 'night, guenther May 26 22:46:35 night general, folks May 26 22:49:38 pupnik, has your camera been good enough to make any movies May 26 23:07:22 lcuk: yes it's sorta ok May 26 23:07:41 no idea if it works ok doing a live output via hdmi May 26 23:07:55 fair enough, have you checked you mail recently, linuxtag people have sent an info pack and ticket etc May 26 23:08:18 i got an e-ticket with a schematic of the place May 26 23:08:19 they say there is a projector but you are expected to take own laptop May 26 23:08:49 yeah it'd be nice to actually play around with the stuff live May 26 23:09:40 One of you needs to bring a USB-to-VGA adaptor to do a presentation with May 26 23:10:02 im not even sure if the xv overlap would be sent.. May 26 23:10:16 Just for a powerpoint-style things. May 26 23:10:23 s/things/thing/ May 26 23:10:23 GAN8001 meant: Just for a powerpoint-style thing. May 26 23:10:45 lcuk: well if you set up synergy and usb networking, it might be possible to demo stuff live with my camera May 26 23:11:10 but i wouldn't count on it May 26 23:11:18 my camera doesnt operate as a webcam, its either movie mode unplugged, or when i plug it in its a memorystick May 26 23:12:00 yes i dunno about using it as a webcam. but if the projector has hdmi input, one could display the tablet screen on the projector May 26 23:12:52 lcuk: i didn't get the mail you spoke of - afaict. i got two from simon pickering - was that it? May 26 23:13:22 no, it only arrived a few minutes ago May 26 23:13:38 4hours.. May 26 23:14:01 oh, wow, another dariusgram, now with 100% less content May 26 23:14:32 just the spammy part please sir May 26 23:14:49 crap, pup, pm your email addy, gmail isnt giving me any hints and id have to close mail May 26 23:16:13 anyone got any idea why i cant copy files to my memory card? May 26 23:26:29 hmm, im starting to suspect that powerlaunch is a battery drain... May 26 23:27:59 lots of things are a powerdrain, the only way i can get my 810 to stay on overnight and not have it totally flat by morning is to switch cpu to powersave May 26 23:32:27 lcuk, something's wrong, then. :P May 26 23:34:14 well, i guess ill "know" in a few days. at the very least, my N800 should last longer on standby if the last couple of hours are a indication... May 26 23:34:40 only thing i used powerlaunch for anyways was the reboot option :P May 26 23:37:06 well, it's official, I just signed up for ITT May 26 23:37:23 welcome aboard. May 26 23:37:39 summatusmentis, get away while you still can. May 26 23:37:47 lol, well, thanks. Hopefully my N810 comes tomorrow May 26 23:37:55 GAN8001: why? I don't spend that much time on forums May 26 23:38:07 itT is descending into darkness these days. . . . May 26 23:38:26 t_s_o, /etc/systemui/systemui.xml May 26 23:38:49 darkness? May 26 23:39:22 sorry GAN8001, thats one hint i dont get ;) May 26 23:40:13 GAN8001: what was the link you linked me to a while ago, with user storeis? May 26 23:40:19 t_s_o, open the file May 26 23:40:41 summatusmentis, blanking, dunno. May 26 23:41:02 it was on the wiki, it was what people do w/ their N8x0s May 26 23:41:13 Oh May 26 23:41:27 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts May 26 23:41:38 right, thanks! May 26 23:43:21 heh, figures. thanks GAN8001 May 26 23:43:32 Sure May 26 23:50:53 hi May 26 23:53:09 * Cymor is back (gone 07:12:54) May 27 00:25:17 hi all May 27 02:27:31 what's the inner and outter size of the DC power connector? May 27 02:35:30 * unixSnob suspects 2.0mm **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 27 02:59:56 2008