**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 27 02:59:56 2008
May 27 03:17:04 <Navi> Pretty quiet in here
May 27 03:38:10 * Cymor is away: sleep
May 27 04:12:11 <lopz> night
May 27 04:25:52 <khertan> Hi !
May 27 04:58:14 <lcuk> http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes
May 27 05:05:52 <lcuk> khertan, good morning :) even though its raining here it feels like a good day
May 27 05:21:50 <RST38h> lcuk
May 27 05:21:57 <lcuk> yer
May 27 05:24:37 <lcuk> RST38h, what?
May 27 05:25:47 <RST38h> nothing
May 27 05:25:50 <RST38h> just saying hi
May 27 05:25:51 <lcuk> lol
May 27 05:26:11 <RST38h> you have probably got our rain, moving south-west
May 27 05:26:12 <lcuk> its been a loooooooooooong night..
May 27 05:26:46 <lcuk> ive got a day of work, then a snooze and im off to linuxtag
May 27 05:49:58 <pupnik> hey lcuk - no sleep for me either
May 27 05:50:58 <mysc> how do you know what destination and object path to use for different apps in maemo? i.e. for the desktop systemnote you use org.freedesktop.Notifications
May 27 05:54:42 <mysc> i.e. can you easily get interface/object info from things?
May 27 05:59:43 <mysc> never mind, found it.
May 27 06:08:39 <pupnik> can you post the answer mysc?
May 27 06:29:44 <RST38h> hehehe
May 27 06:30:00 * RST38h just found (again) that MSVC does not provide opendir()/readdir() functionality
May 27 06:30:08 <RST38h> So much for "POSIX compatibility"
May 27 06:35:12 <lcuk> they also dont have memory mapped files
May 27 06:35:41 <lcuk> pupnik, ive just been out in the middle of nowhere seeing what part of my notes works and what doesnt
May 27 06:50:54 <mysc> sorry pupnik, was afk. i read here: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-tutorial.html
May 27 06:52:25 <mysc> johnx, you're a tough man to locate. congrats on the debian, i like it a lot.
May 27 06:52:32 <johnx> thanks
May 27 06:52:39 <johnx> sorry, have been offline the last couple days
May 27 06:52:52 <Khertan_theReal> Morning
May 27 06:52:52 <johnx> busy at work and a friend is staying with me
May 27 06:53:00 <johnx> mornin' Khertan_theReal
May 27 06:53:09 <mysc> i got everything working nicely had it bootable and also chrootable. i never got the wifi working though :( and the card it was on died.
May 27 06:53:33 <johnx> what kind of encryption do you user on your network?
May 27 06:53:44 <mysc> wpa-psk
May 27 06:53:48 <johnx> me too
May 27 06:54:00 <johnx> the sample config in /etc/network/interfaces didn't behave?
May 27 06:54:11 <mysc> it didn't!
May 27 06:54:44 <johnx> hmm :/
May 27 06:54:52 <mysc> i was about to try out wifi-radar and the card died.
May 27 06:55:08 <johnx> that's too bad
May 27 06:55:23 <johnx> corrupted FS or completely dead?
May 27 06:55:37 <mysc> deader than jimmy hoffa. nothing recognized it.
May 27 06:56:12 <mysc> it was a cheap one so i am not surprised.
May 27 06:56:37 <beford> hallo, is there any way to change the DNS servers ip address through GUI on os2008?
May 27 06:56:41 <johnx> I lost a 1GB card using it for / on my zaurus back when 1GB cards actually cost something :/
May 27 06:56:55 <johnx> beford, yup, in advanced settings under connectivity
May 27 06:57:47 <mysc> yeah, its a pain. anyways, bought some cheap ones. so i will re-install your debian tomorrow. all you do is use the /etc/network/interfaces you have on your wiki? nothing additional (except the forcing of the MAC)?
May 27 06:57:50 <beford> I can see the current dns, but I can't change them
May 27 06:59:32 <johnx> control panel -> connectivity -> connections -> select your ap from the list -> next, next, next, advanced, -> ip addresses
May 27 07:00:38 <jldiaz> well, more or less NBVNç
May 27 07:00:51 <mysc> oh, does anyone here have problems with bt keyboards unpairing after some idle time? i thought pinging it with a "keep alive" script would work, it does keep replying to ping but the pairing is still gone.
May 27 07:02:12 <mysc> strange thing is hci reports the connection is there. and the kb replies to pings. so i'm guessing it's an OS bug.
May 27 07:03:44 <beford> thanks that worked johnx
May 27 07:03:50 <johnx> :)
May 27 07:04:19 <beford> there are some problems with my isp dns server. i'm using opendns nameservers atm :P
May 27 07:05:37 <mysc> no one else suffers this weird bt kb behavior after some idle time?
May 27 07:05:46 * johnx has a usb kb
May 27 07:07:48 * beford doesn't have an external kb
May 27 07:08:29 <lcuk> has an 810 and a usb kb and an apple kb
May 27 07:08:34 <lcuk> the apple is amazing :)
May 27 07:11:11 <X-Fade_> Morning
May 27 07:13:15 <mysc> i am using the apple (apple bt). you don't have the problem lcuk>
May 27 07:13:16 <mysc> ?
May 27 07:13:54 <lcuk> i tend to use my kb in bursts, an hour or two, then off for a few days - i always have to reconnect it, i just figured it had gone to sleep
May 27 07:14:19 <lcuk> just press the power button on the kb and bash a few keys and it comes back to life
May 27 07:14:31 <lcuk> i never have to touch the 810
May 27 07:14:35 <mysc> yes, that's what i have to do. i thought it was a problem with the pairing.
May 27 07:15:04 <mysc> since the pinging continues. it even provides info to hci calls. so it's not totally asleep.
May 27 07:15:08 <lcuk> i just assumed that was the same for all bt keyboards, never been a problem
May 27 07:15:39 <beford> what does the blue led indicator mean?
May 27 07:16:29 <mysc> lcuk, maybe i should just deal and not worry. oh, do you ever get repeated letters? there seems to be a firmware patch but you need a mac.
May 27 07:16:33 <lcuk> i dunno, i disabled everything on that throbber after it looked like i haad a ghost in bedroom at night
May 27 07:17:12 <johnx> beford, on an n800? "Hey, pay attention to me!"
May 27 07:17:22 <lcuk> the repeated letters appears to ONLY occur at the specific moment an event occurs and the cpu is either busy or switching speeds
May 27 07:17:37 <beford> yea, on a n810.
May 27 07:17:51 <lcuk> i tend to run most of the time tethered and in performance cpu mode so dont encounter this often
May 27 07:17:53 <johnx> ah...I don't know what "blue" means on an n810
May 27 07:18:24 <mysc> lcuk, i don't just have to press the on button, i have to keep it pressed to turn it off then turn it on.
May 27 07:18:30 <lcuk> there is a similar issue if you try to do too much work whilst stroking the stylus - you dont get a stylus up message and so 2 strokes stick together
May 27 07:19:07 <lcuk> (low cpu + regular fullscreen blits make this occur more)
May 27 07:19:37 <lcuk> mysc, i dunno, i just press the button till it works, its like activating a wiimote
May 27 07:20:07 <mysc> heh.
May 27 07:20:13 <lcuk> i dont expect keyboard to maintain an always on connection for days at an end and im shocked it tries to
May 27 07:20:53 <lcuk> crap, need to go to work
May 27 07:21:14 <beford> I suppose its the same johnx, I have screen + irssi running, maybe that's what makes it 'blink'
May 27 07:21:31 <johnx> usually on my n800 it's new email
May 27 07:21:35 <johnx> or a new IM
May 27 07:21:46 <lcuk> if anyones interested, heres my notes for the discussion im giving at linuxtag on thursday
May 27 07:21:46 <lcuk> http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes
May 27 07:21:48 <johnx> irssi would have to have specific code to blink the light
May 27 07:22:40 <lcuk> oh crap - i just woke the house by printing it out!
May 27 07:23:38 <beford> actually its not even running on it, I'm sshing to another box
May 27 07:24:10 <beford> probably ssh client has that ability(?)
May 27 07:24:16 <mysc> dot matrix?
May 27 07:24:27 <johnx> beford, I kind of doubt it...
May 27 07:24:55 <lcuk> no, just more noise than the silent theres been all night :P im not a luddite
May 27 07:25:02 <johnx> how would it know that the new message you received is worth blinking the light?
May 27 07:25:05 <mysc> heh
May 27 07:25:28 <lcuk> because it has the evil bit set
May 27 07:26:28 <X-Fade_> I already have that with my gmail and modest. Only inbox mails blink, mails that are tagged do not blink.
May 27 07:26:38 <beford> i've no idea. it seems to blink all the time :| going to close everything to check
May 27 07:26:52 <mysc> lcuk, ok, i have a dirty workaround.
May 27 07:27:17 <mysc> i kill the con, cli, then a keypress forces a recon
May 27 07:28:32 <lcuk> so you mess with 8x0 as well as keyboard
May 27 07:29:01 <beford> hmm it's still blinking, going to restart it
May 27 07:29:05 <mysc> yes, this is assuming i'm ssh'd in which i normally am. if i were in bed i'd use the old no n8x0 method
May 27 07:29:53 <lcuk> KISS approach, i dont see it as a problem requiring resolution
May 27 07:31:20 <beford> it still blinks. maybe because wireless is enabled?
May 27 07:31:29 <mysc> if there were a way to poll the sleep status, i could cron it
May 27 07:33:31 * beford removes home screen applets and checks again.
May 27 07:35:11 <lcuk> right, off i go
May 27 07:35:16 <lcuk> back tonightish
May 27 07:38:22 <mysc> oh john, i am used to my desktop's xorg.conf. where do i edit things in your debian? roxterm for example extend below the viewable desktop - wanna fix that.
May 27 07:39:03 <johnx> xomap only accepts a couple command line options...
May 27 07:39:12 <johnx> are you trying to change the resolution?
May 27 07:39:48 <mysc> i want the apps to be constrained to viewable area
May 27 07:40:15 <johnx> that's a window manager thing
May 27 07:40:26 <johnx> you'll want to switch to matchbox I guess
May 27 07:40:42 <mysc> where do i edit xfce's config then?
May 27 07:40:55 <johnx> it's in .config/xfce4 I believe
May 27 07:41:05 <mysc> ok. will check it upon install.
May 27 07:42:23 <beford> its still blinking :{
May 27 07:42:37 <mysc> before n800 or n810?
May 27 07:44:48 <mysc> maybe you have something pending: email received, im received, etc. why don't you just switch all the led things off if it bothers you?
May 27 07:46:51 <beford> n810
May 27 07:47:51 <mysc> turn off alerts in control panel
May 27 07:49:39 <beford> ok.i've just restored original settings, gonna see if that fixes it
May 27 07:50:33 <hrw> morning
May 27 07:52:50 <beford> http://europe.nokia.com/search5/display.jsp?wsid=1000&caseid=65400
May 27 07:53:17 <beford> it seems to be white. although it looks kinda blue to me, and its normal, lol, it means that the device is turned on but the screen is off
May 27 08:04:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 27 08:09:17 <hrw> hi Jaffa
May 27 08:14:48 <hrw> guys: is it possible to brick tablet with flashing?
May 27 08:15:02 <hrw> NOLO is part of flash process so in theory...
May 27 08:15:18 <qwerty12> If you are unlucky and pull out cable during bootloader flash which only takes a few seconds to do :P
May 27 08:15:35 <hrw> or your battery will die during that
May 27 08:16:04 <qwerty12> I plug mine in anyway, one guy killed his by writing to the bootloader while he was booted in maemo by accident :/
May 27 08:16:23 <qwerty12> s/mine in anyway/plug my charger in anyway/
May 27 08:16:23 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: I plug plug my charger in anyway, one guy killed his by writing to the bootloader while he was booted in maemo by accident :/
May 27 08:16:53 <ralann> hey qwerty12
May 27 08:16:59 <qwerty12> hi
May 27 08:17:05 <ralann> ow goes aleph one?
May 27 08:17:30 <ralann> *how
May 27 08:17:43 <qwerty12> I tried and tried but in the end, I can't get it to work at all. I even tried compiling with gcc 4 and that wont do it either :/
May 27 08:17:54 <ralann> mmmm, bummer
May 27 08:18:11 <ralann> i may give it a wack this summer on my days off
May 27 08:18:31 <qwerty12> When it looked like it was gonna work, it complains about a *.a file and I should ranlib it, I do so and it still complains :/
May 27 08:19:00 <qwerty12> Best way to start is to get the Mesa3D headers and move them manually to /usr/include/ and disable open-gl at configure time.
May 27 08:19:35 <ralann> yeah, that's what i thought i erad you had talked about before
May 27 08:19:57 <qwerty12> Because I wasn't doing that and I had a thousand other errors too :/
May 27 08:20:17 <qwerty12> Then Cptn_Fish pointed me onto it and I can't deny I got more further
May 27 08:22:37 <ralann> i tried marathon in basklisk ii but it needs 256 colors to run and the n810 doesn't do that so i figured id be back onto the porting idea
May 27 08:24:28 <ralann> i was hoping it would be easier than it appears it is going to be.
May 27 08:25:35 <qwerty12> I hope so too, I hope you get more far, I'm definitely not the best person.
May 27 08:26:27 <ralann> neither am i the best person for the task, but at a minimum i can try
May 27 08:28:29 <ralann> anyway, goodluck if you try again, and goodnight
May 27 08:28:50 <qwerty12> Thanks, goodnight (although it's morning here :p)
May 27 08:43:56 <Khertan_theReal> ralann> maybe you can try with minivmac and rom color enabled
May 27 08:44:13 <Khertan_theReal> but i don't know if 4Mb ram is enough for marathon
May 27 08:50:42 <Mikho> has anyone made a program for N810 which utilizes Bluetooth?
May 27 08:51:18 <Mikho> I'm trying to use Bluez, but can't find any example code
May 27 08:51:27 <qwerty12> In what sense? wiicontrol is python program and it uses bluez bindings to pair and use a wii controller for example.
May 27 08:51:36 <qwerty12> ah, just saw 2nd example
May 27 08:51:46 <Mikho> plain C program
May 27 08:52:30 <kulve> Mikho: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html
May 27 08:53:41 <Mikho> I'm trying to run this http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices but get the following error: Failed to discover devices: The name org.bluez was not provided by any .service files
May 27 08:54:12 <qwerty12> Try with nokia. in front
May 27 08:54:16 <qwerty12> I think :/
May 27 08:54:36 <Vudentz> Mikho, then hcid is not running
May 27 08:54:37 <Mikho> the connectivity guide has total of 4 lines of help for using Bluez
May 27 08:54:49 <kulve> Mikho: why do you want to use bluez?
May 27 08:54:58 <kulve> Mikho: I don't think that's really supported in ITOS2008
May 27 08:55:00 <Mikho> according to ps aux | grep hcid it is running
May 27 08:55:14 <Vudentz> Mikho, try sudo hcid -dnx
May 27 08:55:21 <Mikho> I'm really starting to lose interest in using bluez
May 27 08:56:36 <Mikho> when sudo hcid -dnx outside scratchbox: hcid[11652]: Could not become the primary owner of org.bluez
May 27 08:56:54 <Mikho> inside scratchbox hcid[11671]: Can't connect to system message bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
May 27 08:56:55 <Vudentz> Mikho, then sudo killall -9 hcid
May 27 08:58:50 <Mikho> It seems hcid was running, and killing it and restarting it didn
May 27 08:58:54 <Mikho> 't change much
May 27 08:59:20 <Khertan_theReal> i have same problem using bluetooth discovering in python :(
May 27 08:59:46 <Vudentz> Mikho, what bus are you using
May 27 08:59:53 <qwerty12> Khertan_theReal, look into wiicontrol, jldiaz and konttori have done it
May 27 08:59:54 <Vudentz> bluez uses system bus
May 27 09:00:36 <Vudentz> if bluez doesn't then the bluetooth applet wouldn't work too
May 27 09:00:50 <Vudentz> since the latter uses the first
May 27 09:02:44 <Mikho> it says in the connectivity guide that bluetooth software of maemo is based on bluez
May 27 09:02:49 <Mikho> so it should work
May 27 09:03:44 <Vudentz> Mikho, put your code in a pastebin like site and paste the link here
May 27 09:03:52 <hrw> kulve: maemo use bluez
May 27 09:04:16 <hrw> Mikho: you try inside of scarybox? good luck then
May 27 09:04:21 <Vudentz> my bet is that you are using session bus instead of system bus
May 27 09:04:38 <Mikho> I don
May 27 09:05:16 <Mikho> 't have anything else than the C example from http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/DiscoveringDevices
May 27 09:05:51 <Mikho> yes, I'm trying to run the code from inside scratchbox
May 27 09:06:13 <hrw> Mikho: bluez started inside of scarybox? dbus started too?
May 27 09:06:33 <Vudentz> derr, scratchbox uses qemu and it probably can't emulate bluetooth dongles
May 27 09:07:24 <Mikho> cpu transparency is turned off for X86 targets
May 27 09:07:52 <Mikho> I guess dbus is started, as maemo environment is running in X server alright
May 27 09:08:14 <kulve> hrw: it still doesn't mean it provides all bluez interfaces that a "normal" linux environment with bluez does
May 27 09:08:15 <Vudentz> then why you are using scratchbox if you target is x86
May 27 09:08:39 <Mikho> My intention is to switch the target when I want to install in N810
May 27 09:08:59 <hrw> kulve: sure - nokia could destroy it easy
May 27 09:09:13 <Mikho> isn't that what the targets are for?
May 27 09:09:56 <kulve> Mikho: I find it easier to just directly use the ARM target for compiling and then copy the stuff to the device and run it there. SB is always different from the real target environment
May 27 09:10:37 <Mikho> it's much easier to use the emulator
May 27 09:10:46 <qwerty12> But if it doesn't work?
May 27 09:10:56 <hrw> Mikho: there is no full emulation of tablets in qemu
May 27 09:11:05 <Mikho> it's worked until now
May 27 09:11:15 <hrw> Mikho: even the one which is now in qemu svn is not complete
May 27 09:11:32 <Mikho> so what you're saying that it's impossible to develop bluetooth programs in the emulator?
May 27 09:12:07 <hrw> I wonder why you insist on using scarybox for such simple things?
May 27 09:12:25 <hrw> Mikho: write it for your desktop, test on desktop and then build for tablet and check does it works
May 27 09:13:26 <kulve> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html
May 27 09:13:35 <kulve> "Maemo SDK is not an emulator"
May 27 09:17:26 <Mikho> well, so far everything has worked pretty much allright. The Xephyr window contents have been more or less the same as in N810 screen, and everything has worked the same in both
May 27 09:18:03 <Mikho> If I just could access bluetooth from the development environment, it
May 27 09:18:06 <Mikho> 'd be great
May 27 09:20:53 <RST38h> kulve: QEmu is though
May 27 09:21:47 <Mikho> I guess I'd somehow need to get the bluez service inside the maemo dbus
May 27 09:22:19 <lardman> morning
May 27 09:23:24 <qwerty12> morning
May 27 09:24:57 <RST38h> qwerty
May 27 09:25:10 <qwerty12> hello RST38h
May 27 09:25:38 <Mikho> sure enough, the code works perfectly outside scratchbox
May 27 09:29:07 <RST38h> Mikho: Solution: Do not use scratchbox, debug on a real device
May 27 09:29:51 <RST38h> [that should be in some FAQ section, because Nokia does not make it obvious for developers that scratchbox does not provide complete emulation environment]
May 27 09:29:53 <Mikho> RST38h, is there an easy way to do that?
May 27 09:30:22 <RST38h> Mikho: install ssh server to device, compile on scratchbox, copy to device with scp, login to device with ssh and run the program
May 27 09:33:54 <X-Fade_> The maemo jobs section seems to be getting alive already ;)
May 27 09:33:57 <X-Fade_> http://maemo.org/jobs/
May 27 09:35:17 * qwerty12 has to learn to develop and grow up :p
May 27 09:35:41 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: And willing to move to Finland ;)
May 27 09:35:57 <qwerty12> Heh, I could do that :)
May 27 09:36:40 <RST38h> X-Fade: If dollar falls for another two years, I will be willing to =)
May 27 09:37:31 <RST38h> X-Fade: Btw, this page looks terrible in IE. You may want to check that, if it is not done on purpose of course
May 27 09:37:54 <qwerty12> It weeds out the wrong people for open source ;) :p
May 27 09:37:59 <X-Fade_> RST38h: Yeah, I noticed that too. IE messes up again ;)
May 27 09:38:03 <RST38h> yea, that is what I suspected
May 27 09:39:04 <RST38h> XFade: How much are the taxes btw?
May 27 09:39:21 <X-Fade_> RST38h: I have no idea.
May 27 09:39:25 <zakhary> 50%
May 27 09:39:33 <RST38h> Ohshit
May 27 09:40:18 <qwerty12> Man, I thought Norway was only Nordic country with tax rates coming out of their ass
May 27 09:40:22 <Mikho> how could you gain root access with N810?
May 27 09:40:26 <solmumaha> and it's cold in here
May 27 09:40:28 <qwerty12> ~easyroot
May 27 09:40:29 <infobot> i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
May 27 09:40:47 <qwerty12> heh, I live in UK. Cold doesn't surprise me.
May 27 09:40:48 <zakhary> depends on how much you earn
May 27 09:41:22 <RST38h> solm: not colder than here
May 27 09:41:30 <zakhary> http://www.vero.fi/default.asp?language=ENG&domain=VERO_ENGLISH
May 27 09:41:57 <qwerty12> Ooh, they have Russian too. I wonder how much Russians go to Finland :/
May 27 09:41:58 <solmumaha> RST38h: where is that?
May 27 09:42:03 <kulve> Mikho: ssh
May 27 09:42:10 <hrw> someone remember which public stations are best for linuxtag?
May 27 09:42:30 <RST38h> solm: Moscow
May 27 09:42:40 <RST38h> qwerty: A lot
May 27 09:42:55 <RST38h> At least judging from our last visit a few years ago
May 27 09:43:16 <Mikho> qwerty12, easyroot worked perfectly. thanks!
May 27 09:43:17 <zakhary> 40ke/year income would be 26,5%
May 27 09:43:34 <RST38h> zakh: that is without dependents?
May 27 09:44:13 <zakhary> I only filled yearly income to the calculator
May 27 09:45:54 <RST38h> language seems to be more of a problem than weather though
May 27 09:46:18 <Mikho> all right, the example code works in N810 too
May 27 09:47:59 <RST38h> 28% for singles in 100-150k bracket
May 27 09:48:11 <RST38h> Isn't that bad really
May 27 09:48:25 <RST38h> (unless there is some OTHER tax not included into this form)
May 27 09:49:16 <RST38h> No, wrong, 51%
May 27 09:49:46 <solmumaha> well we have all sort of taxes
May 27 09:50:19 <solmumaha> i'm sure they'll start to collect gps tax soon :)
May 27 09:50:36 <RST38h> in principle, they should start with UK on that =)
May 27 09:50:57 <qwerty12> Agreed, we have a shitload of taxes :/
May 27 09:50:59 <zakhary> 100ke is 38,5%, and 51% for bonuses and if you go over 100k annually
May 27 09:51:14 <zakhary> that form should include everything
May 27 09:51:18 <RST38h> that is single, no children though
May 27 09:51:31 <RST38h> I guess it gets a bit better if you have got a family
May 27 09:51:38 <zakhary> language not a problem, ppl understand english
May 27 09:51:54 <qwerty12> Taxes = incentive to get some :p
May 27 09:52:32 <RST38h> zakhary: yes, but what language children will speak?
May 27 09:53:18 <zakhary> your children if you move? they can go to an english speaking school
May 27 09:54:00 <RST38h> Still, it is either isolation or learning Finnish (which looks HARD)
May 27 09:55:03 <glass> most exchange students etc don't bother to learn finnish at all
May 27 09:55:07 <kulve> suomi on helppoa kuin mikä
May 27 09:55:53 <qwerty12> I only understood first word :/
May 27 09:55:59 <X-Fade_> kulve: I guess that is Findland's second language.
May 27 09:56:18 <kulve> english being the first?
May 27 09:56:45 <X-Fade_> Ehm I meant "I guess there is also Finland's second language"
May 27 09:56:51 <X-Fade_> Being Swedish..
May 27 09:57:01 <RST38h> There should be a third one, right?
May 27 09:57:12 <X-Fade_> Lappish?
May 27 09:57:17 <RST38h> yea, right
May 27 09:57:34 <kulve> and savoish
May 27 09:57:40 <X-Fade_> Ruski?
May 27 09:58:00 <RST38h> Russian probably does not qualify
May 27 09:58:03 <X-Fade_> Finland has been occupied by a lot of countries ;)
May 27 09:58:23 <RST38h> Just two
May 27 09:58:33 <RST38h> If we discount Germany of course
May 27 09:59:01 <Mikho> finland occupied by germany?
May 27 09:59:36 <RST38h> Well, was it considered occupation or friendly annexation in WWI?
May 27 09:59:40 <RST38h> WWII, sorry
May 27 09:59:55 <solmumaha> they just didn't want to leave
May 27 10:00:21 <qwerty12> Nokia is so vain : http://www.mattigronroos.fi/Tiet/Vt3_TampereE.jpg
May 27 10:00:23 <qwerty12> :p
May 27 10:00:31 <solmumaha> so we ran them out, but they did manage to get santa :(
May 27 10:00:34 <qwerty12> (yes, I know Nokia is town)
May 27 10:04:16 <RST38h> solmumaha: As long as they got molested by Rudolph the reindeer at the end...
May 27 10:04:17 <hrw> RST38h: but even if Finland was with Germany during ww2 they tried to not make russia angry too much
May 27 10:04:39 <Mikho> nice! I got bluetooth working inside scratchbox
May 27 10:04:55 <RST38h> hrw: well, they just had a satisfactory war with Russia
May 27 10:05:10 <Mikho> it seems the automatically launched hcid interfered with the hcid launched inside scratchbox
May 27 10:05:34 <RST38h> hrw: Finns won, Russians reduced the border length, each side took their corpses and walked away happy
May 27 10:06:13 <hrw> RST38h: during Lenningrad siege Finns do not helped Germans and tried to not make problems for Russian trucks with supplies
May 27 10:06:51 <RST38h> hrw: Afaik they could not, for geographic reasons, but I may be wrong
May 27 10:07:20 <RST38h> One way or another, the subject never came up
May 27 10:07:40 <Mikho> Vudentz, thanks for the tip
May 27 10:10:36 <Vudentz> Mikho, no problem
May 27 10:15:06 <jumpula> afaik there was some pressure for the german leadership to attack leningrad, but mannerheim (the supreme commander of the finnish army) refused up to the end
May 27 10:16:12 <jumpula> which, i guess, partly convinced staling that finland is in the end mostly harmless and more trouble than it's worth..
May 27 10:16:18 <jumpula> *stalin
May 27 10:16:49 <RST38h> the guy was an officer in Russian Imperial Army =)
May 27 10:17:06 <RST38h> anyways, lunch time
May 27 10:17:06 <jumpula> yes
May 27 10:17:37 <jumpula> and he did fight for russian empire in his time, too :)
May 27 10:32:37 <qwerty12> Does anyone have a libgsl compiled already for ARM/Maemo? Would save me a shitload of time :/
May 27 10:53:34 <lardman> qwerty12: I think I've compiled that before, I just took the standard debian source package
May 27 10:54:03 <qwerty12> Thanks, but no matter, I've compiled it now and packaged up the cvs version :)
May 27 10:54:04 <lardman> qwerty12: it was before the time of extras (well of easyish access to extras)
May 27 10:54:14 <lardman> qwerty12: push it to extras ;)
May 27 10:54:49 <qwerty12> Adding stuff to extras scares me & I'm sure I've versioned it wrong :/
May 27 10:55:19 <lardman> I know the feeling :)
May 27 10:58:09 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: Try to upload it to the autobuilder ;)
May 27 10:58:22 <qwerty12> X-Fade_, Where is that?
May 27 10:58:24 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: We can always use more testers :D
May 27 10:58:53 <keesj> X-Fade_: let me first write software
May 27 10:59:13 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Try the assistant for example.
May 27 10:59:44 <qwerty12> Ok, it sounds cool but where is step 2? :p
May 27 11:00:38 <X-Fade_> I guess you don't have rights yet?
May 27 11:01:06 <X-Fade_> It should tell you where to get those.
May 27 11:01:40 <qwerty12> I think my cookies are messing up, it says I am logged in but another page says I am not. Trying in Opera...
May 27 11:02:35 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: It uses the garage cookie, I guess.
May 27 11:03:21 <qwerty12> Ok, trying again :/
May 27 11:04:05 <RST38h> back
May 27 11:04:21 <qwerty12> I logged into garage and I still only get step 1.
May 27 11:04:44 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: What does it say in the yellow bubble?
May 27 11:04:56 <qwerty12> Don't get a yellow bubble :/
May 27 11:05:42 <qwerty12> The moblock is disabled and it does in firefox and opera (no ad blocking things installed)
May 27 11:07:02 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: And now? :)
May 27 11:07:48 <Khertan_theReal> arg .... i ve lost my gpg private key again !
May 27 11:07:49 <Khertan_theReal> pfff
May 27 11:07:59 <qwerty12> Still the same :/. I'll try logging in again (thanks btw :))
May 27 11:08:11 <Khertan_theReal> maemo maintainer will finish by hating me to ask again and again invite ...
May 27 11:08:13 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: Nah, reload the page now?
May 27 11:08:13 <qwerty12> Wait, it's working!
May 27 11:08:16 <qwerty12> Thanks :)
May 27 11:08:34 <X-Fade_> Khertan_theReal: That would be me ;)
May 27 11:08:57 <Khertan_theReal> lol :)
May 27 11:09:18 <Khertan_theReal> i ve receive a mail from another person too ... how many are you ?
May 27 11:09:25 * X-Fade_ thinks khertan needs public flogging ;)
May 27 11:10:08 * Khertan_theReal thinks ... bah ... this my fault :)
May 27 11:10:25 <Khertan_theReal> yes yes yes again !
May 27 11:10:26 <Khertan_theReal> :)
May 27 11:10:30 <X-Fade_> Khertan_theReal: invitation is on the way.
May 27 11:10:43 <Khertan_theReal> thx
May 27 11:10:58 <Khertan_theReal> now i ll test my backup tool before :)
May 27 11:11:03 * qwerty12 hates having to do dirty hacks to package programs :/
May 27 11:11:11 <X-Fade_> But please, this must be the 10th time orso.
May 27 11:11:21 <Khertan_theReal> why do u make dirty hack
May 27 11:11:35 <Khertan_theReal> X-Fade_> yes this should be 11 if i remember ...
May 27 11:12:12 <qwerty12> Some programs compile fine with ./configure & make but when dpkg-buildpackage tries ,it messes it up totally so I stop it from cleaning the package. And just now, I made a package by symlinking to it's old name :/
May 27 11:12:12 <Khertan_theReal> the first third key was made with an algo that can"t be used from a nit
May 27 11:12:21 <X-Fade_> qwerty12: I ported a few libs by just grabbing the debian source package, set myself as maintainer and make a source package to upload to the builder.
May 27 11:13:08 <qwerty12> Brilliant, I've already compiled gsl now and I've versioned that wrong so I won't upload that one :/
May 27 11:13:14 <Khertan_theReal> X-Fade_ > your auto builder is publicly available now ?
May 27 11:13:30 <X-Fade_> Khertan_theReal: Sure, to more testers the better.
May 27 11:13:32 <Khertan_theReal> grat !
May 27 11:13:35 <Khertan_theReal> great !
May 27 11:13:41 <X-Fade_> Khertan_theReal: You now also get status mails.
May 27 11:14:00 <Khertan_theReal> i ll try it with gtksourceview :)
May 27 11:14:31 <Khertan_theReal> ill go eating ...
May 27 11:14:32 <Khertan_theReal> brb
May 27 11:16:53 <qwerty12> Anyone know the right values for -march and -mtune?
May 27 11:18:58 <RST38h> -march=armv5te -mtune=arm926ej-s
May 27 11:19:05 <qwerty12> Thanks :)
May 27 11:24:47 <lardman> Right I'm off, see some of you in Berlin
May 27 11:25:21 <X-Fade_> I still have some free LinuxTag tickets left, anyone interested?
May 27 12:02:29 <Zombie3> greetings programmers
May 27 12:02:39 <Zombie3> there's a bunch of patches for dbus-glib in https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/dbus-glib/debian/
May 27 12:02:55 <Zombie3> is Kimmo or whoever around?
May 27 12:03:18 <Zombie3> I'm here to nag people to report those upstream to Debian/D-Bus
May 27 12:04:18 <Robot101> Zombie3: a few of them are from upstream anyway
May 27 12:04:53 <Zombie3> not the one I just bumped into in Debian, and the Debian and D-Bus guys don't seem to know about them
May 27 12:05:51 <Robot101> 08-fix-pending-call-remove.patch looks like it causes leaks
May 27 12:18:30 <Jaffa> Aww, how sweet - Darius is posting his CV to maemo-dev asking for a job at Nokia :-)
May 27 12:19:07 <Jaffa> Oh, and he's "already contacted Chairman of the Board at Nokia, ...@
May 27 12:19:20 <X-Fade_> Lol ;)
May 27 12:19:21 <RST38h> show me show me
May 27 12:19:37 * RST38h is bored, testing stuff
May 27 12:20:22 <Jaffa> RST38h: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-May/033506.html
May 27 12:20:44 <RST38h> thanks =)
May 27 12:20:57 <Jaffa> I'm fairly sure most of his content is drivel, but it's so hard to read I'm not entirely sure
May 27 12:21:41 <X-Fade_> I'm thinking we just have to add a html filter to the mailinglist and be done with it ;)
May 27 12:22:23 <RST38h> Wants to be a think tank
May 27 12:22:40 <X-Fade_> But he now signs with this 'real name' ;)
May 27 12:22:47 <RST38h> So, any bets whether it is the weed or the mushrooms?
May 27 12:23:25 <RST38h> "But I am afraid, Nokia has no department I could negotiate IP transfer with,
May 27 12:23:27 <RST38h> as no Think-Tank position is established"
May 27 12:24:21 <GAN800> He's so cute!
May 27 12:24:41 <RST38h> He's abusing substances, that is for sure
May 27 12:24:53 <RST38h> OR he is a high school student
May 27 12:25:38 <X-Fade_> English is not his first language.
May 27 12:25:53 <RST38h> not mine either
May 27 12:26:24 <Khertan_TheReal> re
May 27 12:27:09 * GAN800 wants a Darius Think-Tank.
May 27 12:27:16 <Khertan_TheReal> huhu with have an flood at my work in the server room
May 27 12:27:33 <RST38h> GAN: Maybe to participate in a battle-bot contest?
May 27 12:27:42 <GAN800> Go play in the puddles!
May 27 12:28:13 <GAN800> Bingo, RST38h! :D
May 27 12:29:07 <Khertan_TheReal> the community is in permanent competition ???
May 27 12:29:18 <Khertan_TheReal> where does it see that ?
May 27 12:29:56 * GAN800 challemges Khertan to a duel.
May 27 12:31:21 <Khertan_TheReal> a duel ?
May 27 12:31:39 <Khertan_TheReal> i choose sword ...
May 27 12:31:43 <Khertan_TheReal> choose your weapon ...
May 27 12:31:44 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
May 27 12:33:04 <summatusmentis> so... _hopefull_ my N810 will come today
May 27 12:33:51 <Khertan_TheReal> oh ! i understand it talk about this : http://maemo.org/profile/list/
May 27 12:33:57 <Khertan_TheReal> s/it/he
May 27 12:34:03 <Khertan_TheReal> s/talk/talks
May 27 12:35:04 <Khertan_TheReal> buries  	7.5
May 27 12:35:04 <Khertan_TheReal> favourites 	2
May 27 12:35:15 <Khertan_TheReal> hum ...
May 27 12:35:38 <pupnik> RST38h: what sound backend do you use for iNES?
May 27 12:37:22 <pupnik> speaking of CV's, /me thinks RST38h's cv is awesome
May 27 12:37:54 * pupnik is turning into a bit of a fanboi
May 27 12:38:17 <pupnik> (a symptom of not being productive myself perhaps)
May 27 12:44:24 * GAN800 chooses a Howitzer.
May 27 12:46:13 <Jaffa> pupnik: I must update mine, since I'm meeting with Head of HR tomorrow after moaning a bit about being underappreciated on my evaluation
May 27 12:46:15 <RST38h> pupnik: EMULib SndUnix hacked to use ESD
May 27 12:46:33 <RST38h> pupnik: The source code can be found inside ColEm src distro
May 27 12:47:08 * RST38h never really worked on his CV, it just happened that way, sorry
May 27 12:47:56 <RST38h> pupnik: It will play arbitrary waveform buffer or do Sound(Channel,Frequency,Volume) thing
May 27 12:48:26 <GAN800> By the bye, Jaffa, did you notice #3161? :D
May 27 13:10:14 <hrw> I removed my CV long time ago
May 27 13:10:36 <hrw> now I mostly point to my resume and linkedin
May 27 13:12:14 <summatusmentis> how does a CV and resume differ?
May 27 13:12:27 <summatusmentis> s/does/do/
May 27 13:12:28 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: how do a CV and resume differ?
May 27 13:16:40 <RST38h> summa: European CV = American resume
May 27 13:16:53 <RST38h> CV usually includes more personal details
May 27 13:17:38 <andre___> yupp, my CV includes more personal info than my resumé - probably a cultural thingy
May 27 13:19:29 <hrw> summatusmentis: my resume is technical - nothing personal, just knowledge and where did I worked
May 27 13:19:32 <hrw> that stuff
May 27 13:23:35 <dakylla> hi there
May 27 13:24:00 <dakylla> whare can i download maemo garage source code, if tehre are any
May 27 13:24:29 <summatusmentis> personal info? like, what your interests/hobbies/etc. are?
May 27 13:24:49 <GAN8001> dakylla, for a garage project or for the garage itself?
May 27 13:25:35 <dakylla> the garage itself
May 27 13:26:14 <hrw> dakylla: thats gforge
May 27 13:26:24 <hrw> summatusmentis: that sort
May 27 13:26:31 <dakylla> ok, i did not know
May 27 13:26:44 <dakylla> and what about the project webpage ?
May 27 13:27:04 <dakylla> i read somewhere the source where available too
May 27 13:28:10 <dakylla> im asking cause we have a project a creating an open wireless board, and we would like not to start from level 0
May 27 13:39:11 <Jaffa> GAN800: yeah, saw that: woohoo :-)
May 27 13:39:49 <GAN8001> We'll see if anything actually gets rolling Nokia side, though.
May 27 13:39:56 <GAN8001> At least we have a place to put stuff.
May 27 13:40:16 <Jaffa> Indeed
May 27 13:44:00 <VRe> nice, hello-world-app does not compile in scratchbox installed with maemo-4.0.1 -scripts .. config.sub points to cs2005q3.2-glibc and cs2005q3.2-glibc2.5 is installed by default
May 27 13:57:32 <RST38h> summa: more like details on schools and activities
May 27 13:57:50 <RST38h> too much peronal stuff is harmful, especially in a resume
May 27 14:01:30 <summatusmentis> RST38h: yeah, that makes sense
May 27 14:53:21 <johnx> hey qwerty12 :D
May 27 14:53:47 <qwerty12> hello johnx :)
May 27 14:53:58 <johnx> quiet in here tonight O_o
May 27 14:54:42 <qwerty12> Yeah :/ and for me, it's only afternoon :/
May 27 14:55:04 <johnx> well it's night here, but I just got off work :/
May 27 14:55:11 <summatusmentis> hopefully my N810 comes, and then I can bug you guys
May 27 14:55:56 <johnx> so what other linuxy ARM system do you have. I see you on #angstrom from time to time :)
May 27 14:56:24 * qwerty12 has a Pocket PC with Linux, does that count? :p
May 27 14:56:35 <johnx> qwerty12, sure, which one?
May 27 14:56:46 <summatusmentis> me? I've got a 3200, and a 5500, Zaurus
May 27 14:57:06 <johnx> heh...similar purchasing habbits to me :D
May 27 14:57:13 <johnx> collie -> akita -> n800
May 27 14:57:14 <qwerty12> Fujitsu Siemens Pocket LOOX. I use Linux in the loosest sense as I have to reformat flash each time to use it :D
May 27 14:57:21 <qwerty12> *Pocket Loox 720
May 27 14:57:36 <summatusmentis> I'm probably selling my terrier, so I can justify my n810
May 27 14:57:42 <johnx> ah
May 27 14:57:57 <summatusmentis> although, we'll see :)
May 27 14:58:12 * qwerty12 goes off to modify latest diablo image :/
May 27 14:58:14 <summatusmentis> I'd like to get collie viable again
May 27 14:58:14 <johnx> different for me I guess since my n800 has no physical included keyboard
May 27 14:58:22 <johnx> me too. :/
May 27 14:58:27 <summatusmentis> yeah, that would make the difference to me
May 27 14:58:27 <johnx> collie was such a nice form factor
May 27 14:58:48 <summatusmentis> it could be such a nice device, if ithe 2.6 effort would speed up
May 27 14:59:00 <summatusmentis> know anything about kernel hacking?
May 27 14:59:06 <johnx> nah
May 27 14:59:13 <johnx> not even much about regular hacking
May 27 14:59:39 <summatusmentis> well, that's no fun :) Me neither, hopefully at the end of the summer I will though, because otherwise google won't pay me
May 27 14:59:48 <johnx> ah
May 27 14:59:48 * qwerty12 knows a bit about hacking the N800 but when it comes to programming or disassembling, thats when I run :p
May 27 15:00:03 <johnx> summatusmentis, nothing like sink or swim to motivate you, eh?
May 27 15:00:26 <summatusmentis> johnx: I guess so... I kinda jumped in, got accepted, and then decided I should've picked a different project :)
May 27 15:01:44 <johnx> qwerty12, does that "boot from usb hard drive" thing work?! O_o
May 27 15:02:25 <qwerty12> No idea, don't have a usb adapter to try it with
May 27 15:02:32 <johnx> ah, sadness
May 27 15:02:38 <qwerty12> The original initfs (ie unmodified) has the same option too
May 27 15:02:39 <johnx> I guess I should be a guinea pig then
May 27 15:02:47 <qwerty12> Just no menu to select it with
May 27 15:03:11 <qwerty12> (set-root-device:sda or usb should do it though)
May 27 15:03:26 <johnx> I suppose so since everything is actually in the kernel
May 27 15:03:34 <johnx> I guess I'm used to zaurus altboot
May 27 15:04:13 <summatusmentis> is the n8x0 series similar enough to a zaurus boot sequence?
May 27 15:04:23 <summatusmentis> how easy would it be to port altboot to maemo?
May 27 15:04:30 <johnx> summatusmentis, that's what bootmenu does
May 27 15:04:37 <summatusmentis> oh
May 27 15:04:40 <summatusmentis> :)
May 27 15:04:52 <johnx> bootmenu seems quite a bit simpler too
May 27 15:05:19 * qwerty12 uses a modified bootmenu
May 27 15:05:21 <summatusmentis> well, from what i understand from CoreDump, altboot was a bit hackish anyway, as it's not a bootloader
May 27 15:05:32 <johnx> neither is bootmenu
May 27 15:05:41 <johnx> both are just tools to pivot_root and run an alternate initfs
May 27 15:05:56 <johnx> s/initfs/init/
May 27 15:05:56 <infobot> johnx meant: both are just tools to pivot_root and run an alternate init
May 27 15:06:17 <summatusmentis> oh... I should learn what I'm talking about before I just start spitting words out of my mouth
May 27 15:06:38 <johnx> nah...you're mostly on the right track
May 27 15:06:49 <qwerty12> Actually, choosing to boot from another source is actually a feature of the original initfs. Fanoush made it into a menu and some other stuff (mmcblk files etc)
May 27 15:09:18 * qwerty12 is so glad I took the time to find out the diablo password
May 27 15:09:43 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: is there a reason to run diablo over.... chinook(?)
May 27 15:09:51 <qwerty12> Yep, I'm running initfs version 2008-20, latest is 2008-21.
May 27 15:09:52 <johnx> summatusmentis, bug fixes :/
May 27 15:09:54 <qwerty12> Not really :/
May 27 15:10:06 <qwerty12> newer flash is great though
May 27 15:10:14 <summatusmentis> johnx: big bugs?
May 27 15:10:19 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: what do you mean?
May 27 15:10:34 <qwerty12> Well, it can actually play videos of youtube now
May 27 15:10:48 <johnx> summatusmentis, small annoying bugs
May 27 15:11:23 <summatusmentis> johnx: fair enough, but bugs that manifest themselves pretty often.
May 27 15:11:33 <johnx> yeah
May 27 15:11:40 <johnx> some browser text input stuff
May 27 15:12:18 <johnx> probably doesn't affect the n810 much since it has a hardware keyboard
May 27 15:12:35 <summatusmentis> h
May 27 15:12:36 <summatusmentis> ah*
May 27 15:13:28 * qwerty12 instantly notices lag after modprobeing mtd2ram with 88MB :/
May 27 15:13:58 <johnx> qwerty12, I'd be interested to hear if it works with a smaller value, like 10MB or so
May 27 15:14:51 <qwerty12> I tried total_size=65536 but it wouldn't work but I wasn't sure what I was doing then.
May 27 15:14:58 <Khertan_TheReal> ah
May 27 15:15:10 <Khertan_TheReal> home connection drops ....
May 27 15:15:14 <qwerty12> I know for sure I wouldn't have been able to do this on my old computer :p
May 27 15:16:36 <lopz> hi
May 27 15:16:51 * qwerty12 has it. The latest initfs mounted. (BTW: I can share a tarball if you don't have the memory, time whatever to mount it)
May 27 15:17:07 <qwerty12> You don't need a truckload of memory to run mkfs.jffs2
May 27 15:18:11 <johnx> qwerty12, nah. I'm happy for now. I don't really want to tempt fate here since I use my n800 every day
May 27 15:18:28 <qwerty12> :)
May 27 15:18:42 <johnx> maybe I'll poke at it on thursday when I have some time
May 27 15:18:46 <Navi_> Woo, tempting fate \o/
May 27 15:19:09 <johnx> heeey, fate! yeah that's right, over here. *lightning strikes*
May 27 15:19:25 <Navi_> awesome
May 27 15:19:32 * qwerty12 really hopes fanoush or pancake reverse engineers CAL
May 27 15:20:42 <qwerty12> Best I can do with CAL = http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png
May 27 15:22:51 <johnx> you mean just edit the version string?
May 27 15:23:05 <qwerty12> Yeah, but CAL stores so much more
May 27 15:23:23 <johnx> such as?
May 27 15:23:51 <qwerty12> RD flags, MAC address etc - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20465
May 27 15:24:06 <johnx> iiiinteresting
May 27 15:24:08 <qwerty12> WLAN channels are there too
May 27 15:24:15 <johnx> fun
May 27 15:24:28 <johnx> do you know if CAL sets that stuff or wlancond?
May 27 15:24:37 <qwerty12> wlancond will get values from CAL
May 27 15:24:49 <johnx> ok, I'll shut up and RTFM now :)
May 27 15:24:54 * johnx reads the thread
May 27 15:27:10 <johnx> huh
May 27 15:27:22 <johnx> I'm glad debian doesn't have to pay attention to wlancond/CAL
May 27 15:28:57 <GAN8001> X-Fade_, ping.
May 27 15:30:09 <qwerty12> w00t, linuxrc is same. Much less work for qwerty
May 27 15:30:54 <hrw> ok - I go to linuxtag
May 27 15:31:09 <johnx> have fun, hrw :)
May 27 15:31:10 <X-Fade_> GAN8001: Yep.
May 27 15:31:10 <qwerty12> Show off N800 emulation :)
May 27 15:31:29 <GAN8001> Need some retardation assistance with Downloads.
May 27 15:31:40 <GAN8001> Trying to create a listing for Advanced Backlight
May 27 15:31:46 <hrw> qwerty12: that would require taking laptop with me
May 27 15:31:49 <GAN8001> It's not in Extras yet, so what to put for the .install?
May 27 15:31:56 <qwerty12> hrw, Ah :)
May 27 15:32:28 <hrw> qwerty12: I plan to take only required stuff - laptop is not one of those
May 27 15:32:34 <X-Fade_> GAN8001: A link to a .install file, or put the info in editable .install.
May 27 15:32:47 <hrw> n810 with maemo-mapper filled with berlin maps +_ garnet-vm with metro
May 27 15:33:24 <qwerty12> hrw, nice
May 27 15:33:40 <pupnik> thank you RST38h i will like to look at that later sometime.  feeling very weak atm
May 27 15:33:48 <qwerty12> GAN8001, Your package needs to be in a repo before an install file is of any use
May 27 15:34:11 <GAN8001> Right, it's not in a repo, so where do I point to the .deb?
May 27 15:34:38 <pupnik> communication breakdown?
May 27 15:35:04 <pupnik> GAN8001: just host the .deb somewhere until you put it in repo
May 27 15:35:14 <GAN8001> lol
May 27 15:35:18 <qwerty12> Or turn your garage page into a repo :p
May 27 15:35:27 <qwerty12> The mytube guy does that :/
May 27 15:35:33 <pupnik> whoah
May 27 15:35:46 <GAN8001> So I'm creating an entry for Advanced Backlight, I don't see a field for a link to a .deb
May 27 15:35:49 <GAN8001> just the .install
May 27 15:35:52 <pupnik> i keep reading GANBOOl
May 27 15:35:55 <GAN8001> So where do I put the link to the .deb?
May 27 15:36:03 <pupnik> on a webpage?
May 27 15:36:15 <GAN8001> Rather, an entry for Downloads.
May 27 15:36:31 <qwerty12> I'd say leave it out (from what I know, its optional) and set the homepage to the deb and edit the page when you have it in a repo
May 27 15:36:43 <pupnik> sorry i'm not understanding
May 27 15:36:44 <X-Fade_> GAN8001: Well, a bad hack is to add the link to the deb in the .install field ;)
May 27 15:36:55 <GAN8001> OK, that's what the theme guys seem to do
May 27 15:37:03 <GAN8001> https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/NuvoPearl/
May 27 15:37:06 <GAN8001> That, for example.
May 27 15:37:13 <X-Fade_> But it is better to just upload it to extras ;)
May 27 15:37:21 <qwerty12> konttori! :O
May 27 15:37:32 <GAN8001> X-Fade_, rm_you's job
May 27 15:37:34 <GAN8001> and he's lazy.
May 27 15:37:44 <qwerty12> heh
May 27 15:38:01 <johnx> GAN800, as rm_you's representative I authorize you to do it :D
May 27 15:38:14 <X-Fade_> GAN8001: Presure him :D
May 27 15:38:16 <GAN8001> Whew, communications breakdown for sure, pupnik. Glad that's cleared up. :P
May 27 15:38:17 <johnx> if he gets cranky over it, tell him it's my fault
May 27 15:38:19 <GAN8001> I have been
May 27 15:38:38 <GAN8001> I'm the official Developer Annoyer for Advanced Backlight. ;)
May 27 15:39:14 * qwerty12 hopes rm_you gets round to doing some of those todo's...
May 27 15:40:33 <GAN8001> X-Fade_, is the any documentation on the Downloads submission process? I'd like to have two pages (or one page) that I can throw at developers when they do things like creating their own repos. Got the one for Extras, but I haven't seen anything for Downloads.
May 27 15:42:20 <Khertan_n810> Hi again
May 27 15:42:45 <X-Fade_> GAN8001: There is this: https://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/
May 27 15:42:53 <X-Fade_> But it needs updating ;)
May 27 15:43:07 <Khertan_n810> how can i debug a problem with an app that work when launched from xterm and not from program menu ?
May 27 15:43:24 <Khertan_n810> i suppose that it s a problem with .desktop
May 27 15:43:27 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810, You aren't using DBUS by any chance are you?
May 27 15:43:38 <Khertan_n810> but don't see why
May 27 15:44:04 <Khertan_n810> app have a d-bus services file
May 27 15:44:16 <X-Fade_> bbl, need to do some last minute shopping :)
May 27 15:44:29 <Khertan_n810> file seems the same as my other file
May 27 15:44:30 <qwerty12> Check if everything is right. I made a dodgy dbus setup and after 15 seconds, the app would crap out on me
May 27 15:44:34 <Khertan_n810> s/file/app
May 27 15:45:13 <Khertan_n810> it s seems right but i think it just a simple thing i ven t see (many time)
May 27 15:45:32 <hrw> ok - first maemo talk in on thursday 12:00?
May 27 15:45:53 <Khertan_n810> and i m a bit tired to read it again and again :)
May 27 15:47:47 <Khertan_n810> it s why i ask if there is a log somewhere
May 27 15:48:18 <qwerty12> *cough* is sisusbvga.ko the name of the module by Graham Cobb for his USB VGA thing?
May 27 15:50:31 <GAN8001> Likely
May 27 15:50:50 <qwerty12> Seems like Nokia have been a little naughty then :p
May 27 15:51:21 <GAN8001> Hmm?
May 27 15:51:27 <qwerty12> They have included it in Diablo initfs
May 27 15:57:43 <Jaffa> No, it's a normal Linux driver
May 27 15:57:47 <Jaffa> It's good they've included it
May 27 15:58:02 <qwerty12> Ah, cool, thanks
May 27 16:04:49 <qwerty12> well, my latest rip of the latest diablo initfs works. But my CAL is one flash away from corrupting: "RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.21-4_PR_MR0�����{�|
May 27 16:04:49 <qwerty12> "
May 27 16:09:08 <hrw|gone> qwerty12: fiasco image?? give me ;D
May 27 16:09:42 <qwerty12> no fiasco image, sorry :p
May 27 16:10:30 * qwerty12 really should run 0xffff sometime to make a rootfs...
May 27 16:10:59 <forge> :)
May 27 16:12:00 <hrw|gone> qwerty12: install diablo, remove crap (videos etc) and share rootfs ;)
May 27 16:12:06 * hrw|gone -> really away now
May 27 16:12:17 <qwerty12> hrw|gone, Toooo late for that
May 27 16:12:32 * qwerty12 starts making moblock packages for maemo. Seeing as we have transmission and gtk-gnutella thanks to pipeline...
May 27 16:12:40 <Khertan_n810> this .desktop will make me crazy !
May 27 16:12:40 <GAN800> How would that be any different from redistributing the repo packages?
May 27 16:13:04 <qwerty12> I don't plan on distributing the rootfs
May 27 16:13:09 <GAN800> Licensing issues there, you wont avoid a take down doing that.
May 27 16:13:32 <qwerty12> you would still need linux/mac to flash a rootfs anyway :/
May 27 16:17:24 <Khertan_n810> can i reproduce the program menu launch process from xterm ?
May 27 16:17:57 <MangoFusion> just got a new iphone today
May 27 16:17:58 <MangoFusion> http://www.cuppadev.co.uk/2008/05/27/nPhone.jpg
May 27 16:18:03 <MangoFusion> ;)
May 27 16:18:32 <johnx> heh
May 27 16:18:37 <MangoFusion> </sad joke>
May 27 16:18:58 <johnx> I always forget how comparitively low the iphone screen res is
May 27 16:19:13 <GAN800> Hehe
May 27 16:20:12 <Khertan_n810> lol
May 27 16:20:20 <GAN800> MangoFusion, poor thing's trapped in your N800 (or is it, your poor N800 has an iPhone trapped in it? :D).
May 27 16:20:34 <MangoFusion> hahaha
May 27 16:20:38 <johnx> GAN800, they'll have to operate
May 27 16:20:48 <johnx> how that iphone got in there, we'll never know O_o
May 27 16:21:02 <GAN800> 'I slipped and fell'
May 27 16:21:07 <MangoFusion> through the wonders of vnc
May 27 16:21:20 <Fatal> in case of turtleneck accident, break n800?
May 27 16:21:28 <GAN800> or "It was a million to one shot, Doc--million to one!"
May 27 16:22:11 <johnx> "Well i had a couple beers...and then I woke up and there it was!"
May 27 16:25:28 <Navi> amazing
May 27 16:29:25 <MangoFusion> bit too slow over vnc to see all the snazzy effects though
May 27 16:30:19 <Khertan_n810> raw pdflush problem again !!!!
May 27 16:30:33 <Navi> MangoFusion, your N800 needs to be checked
May 27 16:30:39 <Navi> It has a nasty virus on it
May 27 16:30:55 <MangoFusion> really? i thought IT's couldn't get viruses! ;)
May 27 16:31:05 <Navi> Apparently, it can
May 27 16:31:10 <Navi> Your N800 has an iPhone on it
May 27 16:31:26 <Navi> scan it immediately
May 27 16:31:40 <MangoFusion> what with? can you recommend anything?
May 27 16:32:12 <Navi> norton antivirus is the only thing powerful enough to remove an iPhone
May 27 16:32:26 <Navi> you must beg them for an N800 port
May 27 16:32:28 <Khertan_n810> there is virus for n800 metalayer-crawler and an other on that make pdflush eating your cpu !
May 27 16:32:30 <MangoFusion> shit. does that mean i'll have to install windows?
May 27 16:32:54 <GAN800> Norton wont do it. I recommend hyrdochloric acid.
May 27 16:33:03 <Navi> spellfail
May 27 16:33:14 <GAN800> Evidently.
May 27 16:33:28 <GAN800> I blame this 'keyboard'. :P
May 27 16:33:41 <Navi> Oh, complaining about the nippleboards again?
May 27 16:33:51 <Navi> at home again?
May 27 16:33:53 <GAN800> Nah, finger keyboards.
May 27 16:33:58 <Navi> ah
May 27 16:34:05 <GAN800> Haven't left.
May 27 16:35:39 * qwerty12 <3's the moblock-deb team 
May 27 17:07:26 <briand> 3
May 27 17:07:39 <Khertan_n810> 4
May 27 17:07:47 <qwerty12> wtf
May 27 17:07:55 <GAN8001> It's the counting game.
May 27 17:07:56 <GAN8001> 5
May 27 17:07:59 <andre____> 6
May 27 17:08:03 <Khertan_n810> 7
May 27 17:08:03 <qwerty12> 7
May 27 17:08:08 <andre____> *meep*
May 27 17:08:09 <qwerty12> 8
May 27 17:08:12 <Khertan_n810> u lost
May 27 17:08:13 <GAN8001> Ha
May 27 17:08:19 <qwerty12> >.<
May 27 17:08:31 <GAN8001> Everybody get out your machetes. Time to kill qwerty12. :P
May 27 17:08:34 <Khertan_n810> hum ... u loose
May 27 17:08:40 <qwerty12> aiiiiiiiiiiiiii
May 27 17:09:05 * Khertan_n810 equip his double axe 
May 27 17:11:29 <RST38h> Have I missed a massacre?
May 27 17:11:46 * Mousey is ded
May 27 17:12:15 <Khertan_n810> bye
May 27 17:12:19 <jaska> http://failblog.org/2008/05/27/ax-murderer-fail/ hitchhiking to qwerty
May 27 17:20:50 <lcuk> pupnik_...
May 27 17:21:21 <lcuk> does anyone know why powerpoint wont handle mjpg movies from my camera?
May 27 17:22:47 <penguinbait> I am looking for a tool to show me the disk size, not partitions but the disk itself, any suggestions?
May 27 17:23:08 <glass> lcuk: windows missing codec?
May 27 17:23:19 <GAN8001> lcuk, powerpointfail?
May 27 17:23:21 <lcuk> i can play them in media player fine
May 27 17:23:37 <lcuk> but gan is right, powerpoint fails
May 27 17:24:09 * GAN8001 really wants somebody to try USB2VGA for a presentation at LInuxTag. :P
May 27 17:24:34 <GAN8001> penguinbait, commandline or gui?
May 27 17:24:44 <penguinbait> command line
May 27 17:28:59 <penguinbait> nevermind, found a way
May 27 17:29:03 <penguinbait> lshal
May 27 17:41:10 <SimoHillo> echo
May 27 17:43:46 <eocanha> hi
May 27 17:44:15 <eocanha> is here someone being a package mantainer in Extras repository?
May 27 17:46:09 <GAN8001> X-Fade_
May 27 17:46:38 <GAN8001> He's prepping for LinuxTag at the moment (as far as I'm aware, anyway), so he'll probably be a little hard to get ahold of for the next 5 days or so.
May 27 17:48:51 <eocanha> (I mean someone having published a package there, not the one who gives access rights)
May 27 17:49:10 <mza-> prolly the wrong place to ask
May 27 17:49:18 <mza-> anyone know if the E71 will have UMA?
May 27 17:49:53 <GAN8001> Yes, there are a number of people in here who maintain packages in Extras.
May 27 17:50:36 <eocanha> I'm reading the instructions at http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository/
May 27 17:50:52 <eocanha> and they say: Change to SDK_PC target: 'sb-conf select SDK_PC'
May 27 17:51:36 <eocanha> and I was wondering if that really refers to CHINOOK_X86
May 27 17:52:44 <eocanha> Someone has just told me that I'm right: they are referring to CHINOOK_X86 and CHINOOK_ARMEL
May 27 17:52:48 <eocanha> thanks.
May 27 17:56:02 <fnordianslip> hi all.  just (re)installed scratchbox via synaptic on Ubuntu Guyst.  Last time, had to use /scratchbox/login - now seems I just prefix commands with "sb2"
May 27 17:56:10 <fnordianslip> is that notmal ???
May 27 17:56:40 <fnordianslip> normal, even ...
May 27 18:04:57 <penguinbait> can someone else test this on their tablet `expr 2000000000 + 1`
May 27 18:05:08 <penguinbait> and  `expr 4000000000 + 1`
May 27 18:15:08 <TPC> pH5, sure
May 27 18:15:10 <TPC> er
May 27 18:15:12 <TPC> penguinbait, sure
May 27 18:15:48 <pH5> TPC: thanks for the assurance though
May 27 18:15:53 <TPC> first one gives 2000000001 second one gives -2147483648
May 27 18:16:31 <penguinbait> yeah thats what I got too
May 27 18:16:35 <penguinbait> its broken
May 27 18:16:48 <penguinbait> I guess I need to include my own in the package
May 27 18:16:54 * jott slaps penguinbaint with 31 bits
May 27 18:16:54 <penguinbait> stupid busybox
May 27 18:19:20 <tich> hey man thanks for the cloner deb
May 27 18:22:01 <penguinbait> no prob
May 27 18:32:10 <gnuton> hi there
May 27 18:54:19 <kimrhh> hi, does anyone know what driver in the linux kernel that is supposed to pick up the N810 when you plug it into the USB port?
May 27 18:54:54 <kulve> some usb gadget driver? (the storage thing?)
May 27 18:54:57 <pH5> usb_storage (as long as g_file_storage is loaded on the n810)
May 27 18:55:57 <kimrhh> the device should be turned on when you want to flash it?
May 27 18:57:06 <kulve> kimrhh: flash the fiasco? Turn off, plug the cable, run the flasher, turn on
May 27 18:57:43 <kimrhh> kulve: well, to be able to flash anything I would expect my Linux OS needs to find the device first?
May 27 18:58:30 <kimrhh> i'm not running ubuntu or Debian, so I need something specific :) like, what kernel version works with it
May 27 18:59:13 <kimrhh> i'm getting "[-813283440]: host clock rate change request 78 -> 141" and similar in dmesg
May 27 18:59:17 <kimrhh> when I plug it in
May 27 18:59:30 <kulve> looks odd..
May 27 19:00:01 <kulve> but the kernel in the device is never started when flashing, so the device doesn't do anything comples (like show up as a mass storage device)
May 27 19:00:15 <kulve> s,comples,complex,
May 27 19:00:50 <kimrhh> so it should be turned off when you use the flasher tool? the guides doesn't really mention that :)
May 27 19:01:02 <timely> heh
May 27 19:01:07 <timely> the windows flasher makes it *very* clear
May 27 19:01:15 <timely> it also specifies unplugged
May 27 19:01:26 <timely> because while it's plugged in, it isn't actually off
May 27 19:01:43 <qwerty12_N800> windows flasher sucks. I also have to install bb5 drivers :p
May 27 19:03:22 <pupnik_> hi lcuk where ru
May 27 19:04:30 * qwerty12_N800 gets to dumping my rootfs
May 27 19:06:19 <kimrhh> timely: ok :)
May 27 19:06:20 <GAN8001> How many of you have had the dubious pleasure of actually using a iPhone Safari? I hadn't really invested time in it until today . . . goddamn does it suck compared to MicroB. <_<
May 27 19:09:57 <pupnik_> nice to hear GAN8001
May 27 19:11:34 <kimrhh> timely: it should be turned on, right after one have started the flasher tool :)
May 27 19:13:58 <timely> yeah that's explained in the windows flasher :)
May 27 19:14:14 <GAN8001> The hardware dpad (corrects to "road" <_<) is such an unbelievable blessing.
May 27 19:15:59 <GAN8001> kimrhh, most of the guides I've seen mention that fact.
May 27 19:16:48 <GAN8001> If you're worried about battery, you can always turn it ON using the charger. Just make sure USB is plugged in, hold down Home/Swap and plug in the charger.
May 27 19:17:04 <GAN8001> Works the same as if you had turned it on using the power button for the purposes of charging.
May 27 19:17:24 <disq> anybody having problems with tinymail/imap (gmail) attempting to download all the headers instead of the latest 50/100/whatever?
May 27 19:17:55 <timely> disq: err, i thought all imap clients were that stupid
May 27 19:18:01 <timely> do you actually know of *any* that aren't?
May 27 19:18:15 <timely> they typically do an initial message index retrieval
May 27 19:18:35 <timely> which for my imap mailbox actually historically killed the imap server ;) (oom)
May 27 19:18:56 <disq> i got 5.2 gigs of a message archive on my gmail account
May 27 19:19:04 <disq> 3000+ headers
May 27 19:19:22 <timely> not many messages
May 27 19:20:10 <timely> You are currently using 2321 MB (34%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 50 of 172129 <- that's my medium sized gmailbox
May 27 19:20:13 <disq> but i don't want to see the listview cluttered with headers from 2006 and 2005
May 27 19:20:33 <disq> 1-50 of 10068 here
May 27 19:21:13 <timely> You are currently using 2903 MB (42%) of your 6766 MB. 1 - 100 of 546446 <- large gmailbox
May 27 19:21:31 <timely> i also have a non gmail box which is a couple of gbs
May 27 19:21:38 <disq> You are currently using 5227 MB (20%) of your 25600 MB. <- larger in size but not in message count
May 27 19:21:41 <timely> imap clients just don't handle such mailboxes very well :)
May 27 19:22:11 <timely> actually, nor do file systems
May 27 19:22:26 <timely> maildir is about the dumbest thing imaginable for a mailbox like mine :)
May 27 19:23:25 <disq> yeah
May 27 19:24:18 <GAN800> tinely, while you're about, is there a simple explanation for the 'Connecting...' status bar that sometimes bounces back and forth for about 10-20 seconds before getting on with actually loading the page?
May 27 19:27:08 <GAN800> s/tinely/timely/
May 27 19:27:08 <infobot> GAN800 meant: timely, while you're about, is there a simple explanation for the 'Connecting...' status bar that sometimes bounces back and forth for about 10-20 seconds before getting on with actually loading the page?
May 27 19:30:44 <timely> GAN800: it might be a dns request...
May 27 19:30:47 <timely> not sure offhand
May 27 19:32:13 <GAN8001> Hmm, maybe. It crops up for me every once and a while and I usually cycle the wifi connection with good results (though I've been paying less than perfect attention to it). A lot of people seem to run into it, though.
May 27 19:33:21 <lcuk> pupnik_, im here just about
May 27 19:33:38 <lcuk> you can't be poorly!
May 27 19:38:45 <lcuk> question: oo.org powerpoint thiny doesnt handle movies does it?
May 27 19:38:51 <lcuk> thingy
May 27 19:39:49 <GAN8001> Ha, who put this in the quips? "No really, it's _intentionally_ broken by design."
May 27 19:40:44 * lcuk has broken his laptop
May 27 19:40:52 <lcuk> that wasnt intentional
May 27 19:41:04 <GAN8001> Your new one?
May 27 19:41:27 <lcuk> my second user one i got instead of wasting money on an eee
May 27 19:41:38 <lcuk> eee woulda fit as well
May 27 19:42:06 <lcuk> my god, chaos in 6 hours
May 27 19:42:23 <GAN8001> Only 6?
May 27 19:42:39 <lcuk> yer and im expected to sleep
May 27 19:45:41 <RST38h> GAN: Seen a fortune database entry once that gave a German word for "broken through improvement"
May 27 19:45:58 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 27 19:46:07 <GAN8001> We've got that, too. <_<
May 27 19:47:01 <GAN8001> LinuxTag people, do you guys have anybody planning on setting up a live webcast yet? :D
May 27 19:48:15 <lcuk> if there is a movie and i bottle it, don't laugh too loudly
May 27 19:50:42 <GAN8001> lcuk's N810 is going to explode on stage.
May 27 19:51:02 <lcuk> its better fluffin not do
May 27 19:51:14 <lcuk> anyway, time to sleep - ill be back on sat/sunday
May 27 19:51:36 <GAN8001> 'night
May 27 19:54:20 <n800n> hehe
May 27 19:54:22 <n800n> not that one
May 27 19:54:29 <n800n> misfire :x
May 27 19:55:54 <{abo}> Hi again :)
May 27 19:56:02 <MoRpHeUz> anybody played with maemo + certs ?
May 27 19:56:35 <{abo}> Uhm... I have an ext3-formatted partition on the MMC. tune2fs says "has_journal". But mount -t ext3 fails, -t ext2 works. The kernel module is loaded.
May 27 19:56:37 <{abo}> Any ideas?
May 27 19:56:57 <{abo}> MoRpHeUz: X509?
May 27 19:57:21 <MoRpHeUz> {abo}: yeah...
May 27 19:57:27 <qwerty12_N800> {abo}, pastebin me ur lsmod output
May 27 19:57:44 <MoRpHeUz> I took a look @ http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/certificate_storage_guide.html
May 27 19:57:48 <{abo}> qwerty12_N800: ok hang on
May 27 19:58:34 <MoRpHeUz> but it says that you need to generate the key and install ssl..I would like to know if there is not a default user certificate generated...
May 27 19:58:38 <MoRpHeUz> by the device...
May 27 20:00:04 <{abo}> qwerty12_N800; http://pastebin.com/d5591dd34
May 27 20:01:54 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, you have the right modules inserted. does dmesg say anything after trying to mount?
May 27 20:03:49 <{abo}> nothing that looks relevamt. "EAC mode: play enabled", "Setting voltage" and so on
May 27 20:04:14 <{abo}> Btw, what's a good filesystem to use on a micro SD card? I'd like something journaled so I don't have to hook in an fsck in the startup. But maybe I should just go with ext2 and make sure i run fsck.
May 27 20:11:33 <{abo}> bah, computers :/
May 27 20:12:08 <n800n> haha
May 27 20:12:23 <{abo}> Hmm
May 27 20:12:46 <{abo}> Now it works, after a reboot. But it still mounted my / as ext2 even though it has a journal.
May 27 20:13:10 <KotCzarny> with ext3 you don't have to run fsck
May 27 20:13:23 <{abo}> Yeah that's what i'm after
May 27 20:13:48 <Tuco1> anyone know why modest will notify you of new emails but will not send pending emails when you get back online?
May 27 20:18:51 <qwerty12_N800> Anyone know how  to make tar go into each subfolder and tar up *.ko files with the folder name (like fanoush's module pack)?
May 27 20:25:14 <{abo}> qwerty12_N800: for d in $(find /some/folder -type d); do tar -cf $d.tar -C $d '*.ko'; done
May 27 20:25:16 <{abo}> or something
May 27 20:25:20 <wnd> qwerty12_N800, how about just using find for that task, e.g. "tar -cf foo.tar $(find /path/to -name '*.ko')". if the list goes too long, "find /path/to -name '*.ko' | tar -cf - -T -" or something
May 27 20:25:41 <qwerty12_N800> thanks both! :)
May 27 20:25:51 <wnd> for loops break far too easily with whitespaces
May 27 20:26:52 <wnd> erm, actually I just realised I missread your question
May 27 20:42:02 <practisevoodoo> anyone got any idea why i cant copy files to my removable memory card of the main memory?
May 27 20:42:50 <practisevoodoo> whenever I try I am told "Unable to continue. Folder not found."
May 27 20:49:36 <||cw> practisevoodoo: characters in the name that arne't valid on fat32?
May 27 20:50:11 <practisevoodoo> actually that is a distinct posability
May 27 20:52:56 <practisevoodoo> stupid :
May 27 20:55:58 <penguinbait> .
May 27 21:03:24 <simboss> guys, I am trying to setup my n800 with os2008 for development in python, but I can't install pluthon; I get  this message "application packages missing: mount-full (>=2.12p+maemo2)"
May 27 21:03:27 <simboss> any ideas?
May 27 21:06:23 <RST38h> Ultimate goth restaurant: http://www.zik.com.ua/gallery/full/2008-05-26-grob.jpg
May 27 21:06:47 <RST38h> simboss: it is missing a package called mount-full
May 27 21:06:52 <summatusmentis> w00t!!! My n810 just came!!!
May 27 21:06:56 <RST38h> You need to find and install this package
May 27 21:07:50 <summatusmentis> these stylii seem sort of flimsy
May 27 21:08:09 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, I hardly use mine these days, just stick to the fingers. :P
May 27 21:08:33 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, Nah, it's there but it's versioned wrong. I  did long hax to sort it out :/
May 27 21:09:13 <simboss> rst38H: isn't a bit strange that it does not get downloaded by default being a dependency?
May 27 21:09:40 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: yeah... but... the screen is so... pretty!
May 27 21:10:08 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, I recommend a boxwave anti-glare protector to reduce smudging. ;)
May 27 21:10:29 <summatusmentis> oh? ok, how much do those go for?
May 27 21:10:40 <GAN8001> $12 USD
May 27 21:10:49 <summatusmentis> eek
May 27 21:10:55 <GAN8001> They really improve outdoor usability, too.
May 27 21:11:52 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, it's worth it.
May 27 21:11:55 <summatusmentis> how do I modify the sources list?
May 27 21:12:00 <GAN8001> They really don't scratch
May 27 21:12:07 <GAN8001> So it's a life-of-the-device protector.
May 27 21:12:12 * practisevoodoo applauds summatusmentis
May 27 21:12:27 <practisevoodoo> it took me at least 30 minutes before i was doing that
May 27 21:12:43 <summatusmentis> practisevoodoo: it won't let me install skype
May 27 21:12:57 <practisevoodoo> should allready be on there
May 27 21:13:09 <GAN8001> No, just the installer.
May 27 21:13:20 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, enable Extras.
May 27 21:13:31 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: how?
May 27 21:13:53 <GAN8001> Application manager: Menu -> Tools -> Application Catalogs...: maemo Extras -> Edit -> Uncheck Disabled
May 27 21:14:04 <practisevoodoo> menu -> settings -> application manager
May 27 21:15:04 <Tama^2> .
May 27 21:20:01 <RST38h> qwerty: umgh
May 27 21:20:06 <RST38h> anyway. sleep time
May 27 21:20:30 <pupnik> bonne nuit
May 27 21:20:53 <kimrhh> anyone tried building an external kernel module for the N810 ?
May 27 21:21:42 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h, night
May 27 21:22:14 <qwerty12_N800> kimrhh, yes and have done so successfuly (not now though, away from comp)
May 27 21:23:35 <elb> for those near a Big Lots, the Big Lots near me has a 4000 mAh "Digital Concepts" portable power lithium ion battery pack for $10.00 with a zillion power adapter tips -- and it will output 5V
May 27 21:23:45 <elb> it doesn't have a Nokia tip, but I'm looking into that :-)
May 27 21:24:11 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: great
May 27 21:24:39 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: i'm trying to follow the Kbuild documentation, and the how-to on kernel building from maemo.org
May 27 21:25:10 <qwerty12_N800> I would say, don't make a new target
May 27 21:25:18 <qwerty12_N800> use chinook_armel
May 27 21:26:24 <summatusmentis> wee!
May 27 21:26:45 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: having set up a ARMEL kernel target inside scratchbox, if I issued "make -C /path/to/kernel -M=`pwd` ARCH=arm CROSSCOMPILE=arm-linux-" it still builds a module which is not the right arch according to modinfo
May 27 21:26:46 <summatusmentis> installing canola , even though I'm probably not gonna use this for media :)
May 27 21:26:59 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: aha
May 27 21:27:51 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, why in the world not?
May 27 21:28:00 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I've got an iPod
May 27 21:28:03 <GAN8001> It makes a pretty awesome video machine.
May 27 21:28:04 <GAN8001> Bleh
May 27 21:28:10 <summatusmentis> oh, that's fair
May 27 21:28:14 <qwerty12_N800> What I do is that I make a symlink to the kernel source from wherever it's called from indt'sthe make so I all I have to do is run make
May 27 21:28:26 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org
May 27 21:29:19 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: you created your own Makefile?
May 27 21:29:53 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: oh sorry, didn't see the last msg
May 27 21:30:18 <qwerty12_N800> sorry for being unclear, i'm talking off memory  + i'm tired :)
May 27 21:30:25 * Jaffa bingles another GAN8001 plug :-)
May 27 21:30:26 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: i'm not exactly following that last one :)
May 27 21:30:51 * Jaffa wonders what "interesting" things will be announced from Nokia/maemo at LinuxTag
May 27 21:30:55 <kimrhh> qwerty12_N800: you make a symlink to a Makefile in the kernel dir?
May 27 21:31:15 <GAN8001> Jaffa, my checks still haven't come yet. >:| :P
May 27 21:31:48 <GAN8001> The NITs will be Nokia's first Windows Mobile devices. :D
May 27 21:31:51 <Jaffa> GAN8001: Unfortunately - no spare cash, got a parking ticket today cos I stupidly forgot to display my season ticket at the train station. Very very pissed off.
May 27 21:32:00 <GAN8001> How much?
May 27 21:32:41 <Jaffa> 25ukp ($50) if paid within 14 days. I've emailed saying my season ticket fell off my windscreen cos I didn't put it up properly and asked to be let off.
May 27 21:32:55 <Jaffa> We'll see how bureaucratic they are. Probably: lots.
May 27 21:33:14 <GAN8001> Yeesh
May 27 21:33:17 <GAN8001> Quite a ticket
May 27 21:33:32 <GAN8001> Parking tickets are only about $17 here. . . .
May 27 21:33:36 <KotCzarny> jaffa, but do they track when it was bought?
May 27 21:34:06 <Jaffa> KotCzarny: I bought my season ticket on 01/04/2008 - runs for 3 months so expires 30/06/2008
May 27 21:34:25 <KotCzarny> it has your name or something?
May 27 21:34:48 <Jaffa> KotCzarny: yeah - they should have records that I've got a season ticket.
May 27 21:34:56 <Jaffa> But the offence is "not clearly displaying a valid ticket"
May 27 21:35:00 <ReKlipz> I just recieved my n810. I'm wondering, out of the box, how do I use the GPS?
May 27 21:35:02 <KotCzarny> O.o
May 27 21:35:22 <KotCzarny> and how much is 'not having valid ticket' ?
May 27 21:35:37 <GAN8001> ReKlipz, open up "Map" or install Maemo Mapper
May 27 21:36:10 <GAN8001> Or you can try the "GPS Location" in Control panel if you just want lat/long.
May 27 21:36:57 <ReKlipz> i tired the gps location, but it just shows searching all the time
May 27 21:37:11 <GAN8001> First fix is the hardest.
May 27 21:37:24 <ReKlipz> and the "Map" app just sits there at the gps display
May 27 21:37:26 <GAN8001> Make sure you have clear line-of-site to the sky and aren't covering the antenna.
May 27 21:37:32 <||cw> ReKlipz: go outside where it can get a clear view of the satellites
May 27 21:38:22 <ReKlipz> ||cw, that will speed it up?
May 27 21:38:53 <||cw> should, yes
May 27 21:38:54 <Jaykie> you may never get gps fix inside a building
May 27 21:39:16 <||cw> yeah, walking back inside might lose the fix again
May 27 21:39:19 <ReKlipz> ok, well, it is freezing outside, but i stood out there for a bit, earler, and nada
May 27 21:39:34 <||cw> 40 seconds isn't uncommon
May 27 21:39:36 <GAN8001> It's an AGPS that currently lacks the "A".
May 27 21:42:39 <summatusmentis> it's telling me that it's missing libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0
May 27 21:42:43 <simboss> guys this mount-full missing dependency is killing me
May 27 21:42:58 <simboss> is even blocking me from installing pythond-dev
May 27 21:44:20 <GAN8001> How are you installing, simboss?
May 27 21:44:24 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, what is?
May 27 21:44:40 <simboss> gan8001: I just tried using the application manager
May 27 21:44:47 <simboss> I can seed the python-dev listed
May 27 21:44:51 <simboss> but it is not installable
May 27 21:44:58 <simboss> due to tht missing dependency
May 27 21:45:01 <simboss> as well as many others
May 27 21:45:10 <simboss> packages
May 27 21:45:15 <simboss> which are in the same situation
May 27 21:45:21 <simboss> like maemo-pc-connectivity
May 27 21:46:45 <GAN8001> I've never heard of "mount-full", simboss, and google and gronmayer return nothing.
May 27 21:46:51 <GAN8001> Sounds like something's borked.
May 27 21:46:57 <simboss> exact :-(
May 27 21:46:57 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, try this .install: http://gronmayer.com/it/dl.php?id=123
May 27 21:49:37 <simboss> gan8001: any ideas on how to fix hat?
May 27 21:49:49 <GAN8001> Reflash?
May 27 21:49:51 <GAN8001> Not a clue.
May 27 21:50:13 <simboss> I feared that :-(
May 27 21:50:27 <simboss> will give it a try though :-(
May 27 22:02:45 <ReKlipz> well, i still didnt get anything outside for like 5 minutes, but it's completely overcast. the maps app showed two of the bars with little numbers under them, dont know what that means though...
May 27 22:03:18 <GAN800> 2 sats
May 27 22:03:33 <GAN800> But, seriously, the first fix is the worst.
May 27 22:04:09 <ReKlipz> i'll wait till tomorrow then, it's way too cold to be outside for more than 5 mins in a tshirt. thanks for the infos though
May 27 22:04:32 <ReKlipz> another question, can I use this as a phone on say, the verizon network?
May 27 22:05:30 <GAN8001> It's not a cellphone
May 27 22:05:46 <GAN8001> You could either use wifi or bluetooth tethering to do VoIP, though.
May 27 22:06:05 <ReKlipz> that's what i thought
May 27 22:14:38 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: what do I do w/ the .install?
May 27 22:15:20 <GAN800> Open it in MicroB, it'll asd the repository that contains those dependencies.
May 27 22:15:27 <GAN800> s/asd/add/
May 27 22:15:27 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Open it in MicroB, it'll add the repository that contains those dependencies.
May 27 22:20:19 <ReKlipz> I'm looking to develop an app that will run on the n810, basically, the app is the only thing that needs to be running, I don't need anything else but the hardware. I was thinking about ditching "maemo" as a whole ( the window manager and all ), and developing my own app that will run on what would be "X". Is this the way to do it, or should I consider keeping maemo and developing just an app for it?
May 27 22:22:23 <Mousey> why get rid of the baby with the bathwater?
May 27 22:23:10 <Mousey> your app is available to a wider audience and there's less work for you to do to maintain the package[s] if you leave the underlying distro in place.
May 27 22:23:43 <Mousey> otherwise you're just making work for yourself. i wonder what your concerns about having the distro underneath are
May 27 22:24:13 <GAN800> I don't get all the people dumping everything for one program. Why not expand your userbase by not throwing away maemo? <_<
May 27 22:25:25 <Mousey> there's nothing wrong with ditching hildon and matchbox and the overlying  Xclients to reap the resources, but yea, it severly limits who'll be able to [or want to] use the app
May 27 22:28:59 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I'm getting an "Operation failed"
May 27 22:29:20 <GAN8001> Sometimes happens when you try and do too much stuff at once
May 27 22:29:23 <GAN8001> or do nothing at all
May 27 22:29:31 <GAN8001> Chinook's application manager is pretty buggy
May 27 22:29:37 <GAN8001> You can usually ignore that banner.
May 27 22:29:46 <GAN8001> (Diablo's is much, much better ;))
May 27 22:41:20 <ReKlipz> hmm, well.. I guess, the app is kindof one off. It's for a project at our local zoo, who is using it for genetics research in Madagascar. Basically, it will be a device that the users will input data on + GPS, and when it comes in range of the proper wlan, it will automatically backup the "reports", and be ready to go out in the field again.
May 27 22:41:43 <ReKlipz> basically, there is really no need for the window manager, as there should only ever be one app running at a time.
May 27 22:41:53 <ReKlipz> mameo
May 27 22:41:55 <ReKlipz> ...
May 27 22:45:25 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: the application manager is still telling me I'm missing those two libraries to install skype
May 27 22:46:05 <fearphage> are there definite dates on the n810 wimax?
May 27 22:46:24 <lopz> re
May 27 22:47:28 <zap> Anybody knows if N810 supports WPA/PSK with AES encryption? I can connect to my AP only if just TKIP is used
May 27 22:48:25 <GAN800> Did you refresh?
May 27 22:49:02 <zap> refresh what?
May 27 22:49:21 <GAN800> Not you, zap.
May 27 22:49:28 <zap> ah, sorry ;)
May 27 22:49:35 <GAN800> No, fearphage.
May 27 22:49:51 <GAN800> It's largely dependent on Sprint at this point.
May 27 22:50:26 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: yeah, still telling me I'm missing libhildonfm2 and libhildonmime0
May 27 22:50:46 <fearphage> GAN800: sprint is the only wimax provider? that is unfortunate. i was planning on dropping sprint in november
May 27 22:51:23 <ReKlipz> so, where do you all suggest I start with development then?
May 27 22:51:25 <fearphage> maybe i should read more about wimax. in my work and home area, sprint reception is garbage. is wimax based on cell tower reception?
May 27 22:57:33 <GAN800> No, fearphage.
May 27 22:57:42 <GAN800> WiMAX is separate.
May 27 22:58:27 <GAN800> summatusmentis, how are you installing (and what) have you tried apt-getting the dependencies.
May 27 22:58:54 <fearphage> thank heavens
May 27 22:59:13 <GAN800> There are other wimax operators, but Sprints the only major one in the US and the one providing Xohm with the N810W.
May 27 23:00:36 <summatusmentis> GAN800: I'm trying to install skype, via the application manager
May 27 23:00:49 <ReKlipz> wikipedia has a pretty good wimax entry if you're interested, fearphage
May 27 23:01:10 <summatusmentis> also GAN800, what was the name of the screen protector?
May 27 23:07:53 <GAN8001> Boxwave anti-glare
May 27 23:08:08 <GAN8001> http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n810_3045.htm
May 27 23:08:14 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, install easyroot
May 27 23:08:16 <GAN8001> ~easyroot
May 27 23:08:17 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
May 27 23:08:26 <GAN8001> and try apt-getting the dependencies from xterm
May 27 23:13:01 <ReKlipz> If I wanted to revert my n810 to the original maemo OS that it came with, how would I do that? Is there a rom available somwhere on maemo.org that I can flash to do this?
May 27 23:13:19 <GAN8001> tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
May 27 23:13:20 <GAN8001> and
May 27 23:13:27 <GAN8001> tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php
May 27 23:14:35 <ReKlipz> GAN800 and GAN8001, same person?
May 27 23:15:52 <GAN8001> GAN800's (variously) one of two N800s and two 770, and GAN8001 is the G4 at my parent's house (GeneralAntilles is my primary).
May 27 23:16:05 <GAN8001> s/770/770s/
May 27 23:16:05 <infobot> GAN8001 meant: GAN800's (variously) one of two N800s and two 770s, and GAN8001 is the G4 at my parent's house (GeneralAntilles is my primary).
May 27 23:16:20 <ReKlipz> hmm, mmk
May 27 23:16:40 <ReKlipz> now, one more question, how do I actually flash these binaries?
May 27 23:18:11 <ReKlipz> nevermind... :(
May 27 23:21:18 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: they're both installed, it looks like it's needing newer versions, are there 'testing' feeds?
May 27 23:23:43 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, hrm, maybe a Diablo something or other?
May 27 23:23:49 <GAN8001> Which version does it depend on?
May 27 23:24:14 <ReKlipz> so, let me get this straight. We develop dpkg packages using the scratchbox+sdk environment, and then we install the packages on the actual device using dpkg? is there any way to terminal into the device?
May 27 23:24:21 <summatusmentis> it's looking for 1.9.49 and 1.10.1 respectively
May 27 23:24:31 <GAN8001> ssh, ReKlipz.
May 27 23:24:38 <GAN8001> It's basically Debian.
May 27 23:25:27 <GAN8001> and they're .debs, not "dpkg packages"
May 27 23:26:18 <ReKlipz> so then, hildon is a package?
May 27 23:26:31 <GAN8001> Hildon is the GUI/API
May 27 23:26:44 <ReKlipz> and to remove it, i can remove the package
May 27 23:26:51 <GAN8001> Hildon libraries can be packaged, though, yes.
May 27 23:27:23 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, hrm, you haven't flashed your device to the latest firmware yet, have you?
May 27 23:27:37 <GAN8001> Open up Control panel, go to about and tell me the version number.
May 27 23:27:50 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: no, I didn't know I was supposed :)
May 27 23:27:58 <GAN8001> Well, it MAY be up to date
May 27 23:28:06 <GAN8001> Nokia is USUALLY pretty good about that
May 27 23:28:08 <GAN8001> But maybe not
May 27 23:28:18 <GAN8001> and I'm recalling Skype being stupidly picky about that.
May 27 23:28:20 <summatusmentis> 1.2007.42-19
May 27 23:28:22 * GAN8001 uses Gizmo.
May 27 23:28:25 <GAN8001> Yeah, that's the problem
May 27 23:28:30 <ReKlipz> what's the default root password...
May 27 23:28:32 <GAN8001> Sorry about the wild goose chase. :\
May 27 23:28:44 <GAN8001> rootme, ReKlipz, but root isn't enabled by default
May 27 23:28:53 <GAN8001> You'll need to install easyroot
May 27 23:28:56 <GAN8001> ~easyroot
May 27 23:28:57 <infobot> i guess easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com
May 27 23:29:01 <GAN8001> Then just type 'root'
May 27 23:29:10 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, you on Linux?
May 27 23:29:26 <summatusmentis> OS X
May 27 23:30:11 <GAN8001> (Hey, me too! :D) OK, first go here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download the latest firmware (ends in 51-3).
May 27 23:30:34 <GAN8001> Then go here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download flasher-2.0 for OS X.
May 27 23:31:35 <ReKlipz> so, there is no way to become root without easyroot?
May 27 23:31:51 <GAN8001> Well, you could just use ssh
May 27 23:31:54 <GAN8001> ssh root@localhost
May 27 23:32:00 <ReKlipz> is ssh installed by default though?
May 27 23:32:03 <GAN8001> or you can flash the device into R&D mode
May 27 23:32:08 <GAN8001> No, but it's in Extras.
May 27 23:32:15 <GAN8001> Just enabled Extras and install it.
May 27 23:32:18 <ReKlipz> R&D mode, research and develop?
May 27 23:32:22 <GAN8001> Right.
May 27 23:32:29 <ReKlipz> hmm
May 27 23:32:35 <ReKlipz> chance of bricking the thing?
May 27 23:32:45 <GAN8001> Slim to none
May 27 23:32:50 <GAN8001> You'll want ssh, anyway
May 27 23:32:53 <ReKlipz> would hope not
May 27 23:32:59 <GAN8001> Unless you've already nuked Matchbox?
May 27 23:33:12 <ReKlipz> dont think so, matchbox?
May 27 23:33:17 <GAN8001> Window manager
May 27 23:33:22 <GAN8001> Just open up Application manager
May 27 23:33:49 <GAN8001> Tap the menu -> Tools -> Application Catalogs...: maemo Extras -> Edit: Uncheck Disabled
May 27 23:33:53 <GAN8001> Let it refresh the repos
May 27 23:34:00 <GAN8001> then install OpenSSH-server
May 27 23:34:12 <ReKlipz> ahh, ok
May 27 23:34:35 <ReKlipz> what all does r&d mode enable...
May 27 23:34:38 <GAN8001> (I wish Nokia would just ship Extras enabled :\)
May 27 23:35:00 <GAN8001> Well, mostly, it disables the lock on root access and turns off the delay on the power button for starting up
May 27 23:35:07 <GAN8001> Other things, too, but those are the important ones.
May 27 23:35:11 <GAN8001> You don't need it
May 27 23:35:25 <GAN8001> Installing one of the half dozen or so packages to disable the lock in software is less work.
May 27 23:35:34 <GAN8001> Or bypass it (in the case of ssh).
May 27 23:35:36 <ReKlipz> so, r&d mode is a hardware thing then? or purely software?
May 27 23:35:47 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: those sites are broken
May 27 23:36:33 <GAN8001> The second one should be http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php anyway
May 27 23:36:45 <GAN8001> The server isn't responding. <_<
May 27 23:36:47 <GAN8001> Stupid Nokia
May 27 23:37:46 <beford> is there any way to check if the GPS if working, even if I'm not on a country with maps for the map application?
May 27 23:37:59 <GAN8001> Open up Control panel, tap GPS location
May 27 23:38:06 <GAN8001> Or install Maemo Mapper
May 27 23:38:47 <beford> 'GPS location details' rigt?
May 27 23:38:51 <beford> right*
May 27 23:39:01 <GAN8001> Whatever it's called in your localization
May 27 23:39:06 <GAN8001> It has a little satellite image.
May 27 23:39:21 <beford> I cilck on Refresh, an icon appears on the tray, and it stays searching
May 27 23:39:34 <GAN8001> Make sure you're outside
May 27 23:41:16 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, Nokia's servers are weird at the moment. :\
May 27 23:41:43 <GAN8001> Either you can download their updater for Windows if you have access to a Windows machine (plays nicer with their akamai caching network)
May 27 23:41:55 <GAN8001> Or give me about an hour to pull the firmware from my machine at college.
May 27 23:42:30 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I won't have access to a Windows machine for that long, linux won't work will it?
May 27 23:42:34 <summatusmentis> I've got a VM
May 27 23:42:43 <GAN8001> VM will work
May 27 23:42:57 <GAN8001> Go to Nokia's support site for the N810 and download their update tool.
May 27 23:43:07 <GAN8001> Linux uses the same system as OS X.
May 27 23:49:19 <dick-richardson> I do I stop my n810 from automounting the removable mini sd card on boot?
May 27 23:49:21 <wolfspirit> ok this is very nerve racking.. I can't get any roms to work on vgba on my nokia n800 using os2008.. it gets to the first screen but never continues on (example, golden sun shows the nintendo logo but never progresses any further)  any ideas?
May 27 23:51:40 <GAN8001> Keep the card door open, dick-richardson?
May 27 23:55:15 <wolfspirit> anyone?
May 28 00:00:28 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, I'm pulling down the firmware right now. If you don't manage it with Windows, I'll have it ready for you in about an hour.
May 28 00:02:02 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I'm working on summer of code simlutaneously, I'd appreiate just using yours
May 28 00:02:39 <GAN8001> It's an N800 image, so you'll have to do a little tap dancing to get it to flash, but it'll work.
May 28 00:06:00 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: what sort of tap dancing?
May 28 00:06:30 <wolfspirit> ok vgba says it's unable to load the .sta file when loading any of my games.. I don't have an sta file.. that looks like a special format for vgba to load save states
May 28 00:07:09 <GAN8001> The FIASCO image has to be extracted and each part needs to be flashed individually.
May 28 00:07:24 <summatusmentis> heh, ok...
May 28 00:07:34 <GAN8001> Simple to do, but more work than just flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R ;)
May 28 00:12:47 <GAN8001> Hrm, what happened to the Misdirected product in Bugzilla?
May 28 00:16:25 * GAN8001 sighs.
May 28 00:16:39 <GAN8001> We need somebody in the Western hemisphere working on this stuff
May 28 00:16:47 <GAN8001> Dem Euros go to bed too early. . . .
May 28 00:21:20 <GAN8001> Ah, Quim's on it.
May 28 00:24:18 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, 40-ish minutes . . . Comcast is being stupid.
May 28 00:25:41 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: no worries
May 28 00:26:43 * GAN8001 is gonna maintain a mirror of this stuff on my non-shitty connection in the future.
May 28 00:27:16 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, I've tried to help at least 3 other people update their new tablets over the past two months . . . tablets-dev has been down or generally unresponsive every time. <_<
May 28 00:27:46 <summatusmentis> :-/ that's annoying
May 28 00:27:49 <summatusmentis> I appreciate it
May 28 00:27:58 <GAN8001> Yessir. :D
May 28 00:41:44 <yllus> hey guys. Anyone running PyPlucker? I wish I could get it working on my 770.
May 28 01:00:02 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, 5 minutes.
May 28 01:00:17 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: ok, thanks :)
May 28 01:00:32 <|penguinbait|> whats up with the repos?
May 28 01:01:34 <GAN8001> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3194
May 28 01:02:01 <|penguinbait|> I could care less about the stupid bug
May 28 01:02:07 <|penguinbait|> this crap is getting old
May 28 01:02:25 <|penguinbait|> ARGH!!!!!!!!
May 28 01:02:38 <GAN8001> |penguinbait|, well, it's where you're going to get status updates. :\
May 28 01:02:54 <GAN8001> So, you want to know what's up, but you don't want the answer?
May 28 01:03:12 <|penguinbait|> I assume the status update will come when I can use it again
May 28 01:03:37 <GAN8001> Then why ask what's up if you know you wont get an answer? :P
May 28 01:03:53 <|penguinbait|> I thought someone might actually know something
May 28 01:05:22 <GAN8001> Yeah, the bug.
May 28 01:05:49 <GAN8001> We know Quim knows about it.
May 28 01:06:04 <GAN8001> That's as much usefulness as I can give you, no need to snap at me. ;)
May 28 01:06:43 <|penguinbait|> Not aware that I did
May 28 01:07:19 <GAN8001> [9:02pm] <|penguinbait|> I could care less about the stupid bug
May 28 01:07:33 <GAN8001> Evidently I misinterpreted your meaning. My apologies.
May 28 01:07:36 <|penguinbait|> Its just a fact
May 28 01:07:49 <GAN8001> It's Benson!
May 28 01:07:55 <GAN8001> (XChat or irssi?)
May 28 01:08:07 <|penguinbait|> Telling people to file bug requests for a server being down is stupid at best
May 28 01:08:15 <Benson> irssi
May 28 01:08:23 <GAN8001> Good choice. ;)
May 28 01:08:41 <GAN8001> |penguinbait|, it'd be nice to have a red phone lying about somewhere.
May 28 01:08:46 <Benson> I'm in trouble...
May 28 01:08:57 <Benson> I was messing with initfs
May 28 01:08:58 <GAN8001> But bugzilla is a fairly effective way to get as many eyes on it as possible as quickly as possible.
May 28 01:09:11 <Benson> On the day the server happens to go down
May 28 01:09:16 <GAN8001> lol
May 28 01:09:17 <|penguinbait|> you can just reflash the original initfs Benson
May 28 01:09:25 <GAN8001> Give me a minute or two, Benson.
May 28 01:09:28 <Benson> And found out I don't have the original image anywhere
May 28 01:09:33 <Benson> :(
May 28 01:09:35 <GAN8001> I'm mirroring the FIASCO image for summatusmentis.
May 28 01:09:44 <|penguinbait|> you can unback from flash, cant you
May 28 01:09:45 <GAN8001> I'll pull the initfs for you.
May 28 01:09:55 <GAN8001> Just md5ing it to make sure it didn't get screwed up.
May 28 01:10:01 <Benson> Thanks!
May 28 01:10:59 <Benson> |penguinbait|: You mean retrieve the current flash contents?
May 28 01:12:27 <GAN8001> MD5 looks good . . . Unpacking. . .
May 28 01:13:28 <GAN8001> http://thor.homeunix.org/initfs.jffs2.zip for Benson
May 28 01:13:30 <|penguinbait|> I mean you can use the flash tool and unpack the initfs from the flash image
May 28 01:13:42 <GAN8001> http://thor.homeunix.org/flasher-2.0.zip for summatusmentis
May 28 01:13:59 <|penguinbait|> the RX image not flash on the system
May 28 01:14:10 <GAN8001> Benson, MD5 (/Library/WebServer/Documents/initfs.jffs2) = dea5e55cf693f77ee982f3efe9462336
May 28 01:14:58 <Benson> Downloading...
May 28 01:16:51 <Benson> Got it! Thanks.
May 28 01:16:56 <GAN8001> Sure
May 28 01:16:58 <GAN8001> Good timing. ;)
May 28 01:17:52 <Benson> |penguinbait|: Yes, but I don't have the image. I downloaded with a liveCD here on my Windows machine, and I didn't save it to harddrive.
May 28 01:21:43 <GAN8001> By the bye, Benson, Benson is already registered, but it hasn't been used in almost two years.
May 28 01:22:07 <GAN8001> (Assuming it wasn't you) You'll need to talk to a staffer about having it dropped and re-registered.
May 28 01:22:23 <Benson> I couldn't get /msg nickserv <anything> to give any output.
May 28 01:22:50 <Benson> Which probably means I'm doing something wrong. (And it definitely wasn't me.)
May 28 01:22:51 <GAN8001> It'll show up in another tab
May 28 01:22:55 <GAN8001> Switch tabs with alt-#
May 28 01:23:17 <WorkingOnWise> does anyone here use Debian on their N800?
May 28 01:23:34 <Benson> WorkingOnWise: I do, a little
May 28 01:24:21 <WorkingOnWise> is there a good on screen keyboard for it? one that pops up as neede like in the default ui?
May 28 01:24:52 <GAN8001> press center-dpad
May 28 01:24:56 <GAN8001> It uses the matchbox keyboard
May 28 01:26:23 <WorkingOnWise> I havent actually put it on yet. I ran KDE and have troubles with the on screen keyboard there. It's a bit cumbersom. Was wondering  (hoping) if the debial setup was a little more touchscreen friendly?
May 28 01:27:25 <Benson> OK, so that's alt-#, where # is the tab number, not where # is shift+3...
May 28 01:27:32 <GAN8001> Haha
May 28 01:27:35 <GAN8001> Yessir.
May 28 01:27:37 <Benson> Now it does something :o
May 28 01:29:51 <GAN8001> Decent introduction, Benson: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186393
May 28 01:30:06 <GAN8001> Also, get it into a screen session ASAP
May 28 01:31:47 <Benson> That looks like an introduction to... Nokia's server being down?
May 28 01:31:56 <GAN8001> Ugh
May 28 01:32:05 <GAN8001> The clipboard is really slow on this machine
May 28 01:32:06 <GAN8001> http://linuxreviews.org/software/irc/irssi/
May 28 01:32:08 <GAN8001> That's the one.
May 28 01:32:35 <Benson> ATM I'm running on a liveCD, for flashing. (Which, BTW, worked beautifully) So it wouldn't be horribly helpful to put it in screen.
May 28 01:32:52 <GAN8001> Ha
May 28 01:32:53 <Benson> I'll do that though, on the tablet and/or cygwin.
May 28 01:32:54 <GAN8001> OK then
May 28 01:33:01 <GAN8001> Windows?
May 28 01:33:04 <GAN8001> Gross.
May 28 01:33:15 <Benson> Need it for Mathcad...
May 28 01:33:25 <GAN8001> Best plan is to find yourself a VPS to stick it on.
May 28 01:35:16 <Benson> Well, my cygwin box is pretty reliable, and always on except when I need to flash (at school).
May 28 01:35:36 <Benson> I think I'll probably leave it on there, and ssh with the tablet.
May 28 01:37:09 <GAN8001> You may also look into irssi-proxying
May 28 01:37:30 <GAN8001> It'll let you use XChat on the tablet (which is arguably more usable than irssi with the N800).
May 28 01:41:55 <summatusmentis> is there a way to get rid of this stupid ad widget?
May 28 01:42:09 <GAN8001> Tap the menu while you're on the desktop
May 28 01:42:13 <beford> Home -> Select  Applets
May 28 01:42:23 <GAN8001> ^
May 28 01:42:40 <beford> Disable Get Started / Tableteer info
May 28 01:43:09 <summatusmentis> awesome, didn't realize that menu was there
May 28 01:43:25 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, the Getting Started applet and movie can also be uninstalled from Application manager (free up a couple of MB).
May 28 01:44:41 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: thanks
May 28 01:47:49 <beford> quick question, how do you delete objects on numtyphysics
May 28 01:48:41 <GAN8001> Press the escape key
May 28 01:49:37 <Navi> or you can open the editing panel
May 28 01:50:04 <GAN8001> Or give Navi vnc access and he'll beat the game for you.
May 28 01:50:31 <beford> :P
May 28 01:50:47 <beford> nah I can't figure out how to delete 'em
May 28 01:52:18 <beford> I have the editing panel, (that's the one that appears with the full screen key, right?)
May 28 01:53:49 <DaniloCesar> Hey, I can't update N8X0... I'm receiving a "Time-out" message on apt-get update... Are anyone having this pb too, or it' s my connection?
May 28 01:54:06 <beford> repositories are down
May 28 01:54:06 <Benson> Server's having grief.
May 28 01:54:13 <GAN8001> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3194
May 28 01:54:36 <GAN8001> Add yourself to the CC list if you want to know when things are back to normal.
May 28 01:54:57 <DaniloCesar> Thanks guys.....
May 28 01:59:54 <DaniloCesar> I was thoughing that it was a pb with my internet connection...
May 28 02:04:02 * Cymor is back (gone 22:25:50)
May 28 02:41:15 <summatusmentis> is anyone else having issues refreshing their package list?
May 28 02:42:46 <beford> yes, the server is down https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3194
May 28 02:43:40 <GAN800> Ah,right, forgot to mention that, summatusmentis, repos are down, too. :/
May 28 02:57:40 <DaniloCesar> Can someone put this information on channel topic?
May 28 02:57:44 <DaniloCesar> please
May 28 02:58:09 * Cymor is away: afk
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