**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 31 02:59:57 2008
May 31 03:00:30 <qwerty12_N800> goodbye world. looks like the stick did it :p
May 31 03:01:37 <qwerty12_N800> it did what no glock could. remove this g off the earth.
May 31 03:02:24 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 03:02:30 <GAN8001> YOU ARE NOT A GANGSTER!
May 31 03:02:39 <GAN8001> Gangsters don't hack Linux handhelds. :P
May 31 03:02:51 <qwerty12_N800> lmao true
May 31 03:04:22 <GAN8001> I wish HAVA would allow more than one remote connection.
May 31 03:05:03 <qwerty12_N800> i think it's legal requirement iirc :(
May 31 03:05:09 <GAN8001> Yeah, I know
May 31 03:05:12 <GAN8001> But I wish
May 31 03:06:02 <qwerty12_N800> Time to get out the disassembler (and a ssh running on the box) :p
May 31 03:06:12 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 31 03:06:34 <GAN8001> I could manage something with a VLC forwarder
May 31 03:07:00 <summatusmentis> does gpe-calendar not have a .desktop file?
May 31 03:07:16 <summatusmentis> oh wait, there it is
May 31 03:08:12 * qwerty12_N800 plans on looking into garnet when they ditch us/. unlike the rest off the linux oss community, i don't have morals
May 31 03:21:14 <GAN8001> I'm 90% certain both the requests here have already been filed, anybody remember the bug numbers? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3206
May 31 03:22:46 <qwerty12_N800> Were they fixed officialy?
May 31 03:23:17 <GAN8001> No
May 31 03:23:45 <qwerty12_N800> search for rotation and echowb on bugzilla i'd guess then
May 31 03:25:38 <GAN8001> Well, 3106 is one
May 31 03:25:52 <GAN8001> I guess I'll just call it a duplicate of #100.
May 31 03:27:47 <qwerty12_N800> night. must sleep and get at least 4h :/
May 31 03:31:52 <summatusmentis> I should sleep too
May 31 03:34:46 <qwerty12_N800> bollox. you realise it's not worth  trying when the night has turned to light >.<
May 31 03:36:52 <GAN8001> Haha
May 31 03:36:54 <GAN8001> FAIL!
May 31 03:36:58 <GAN8001> Early sunrise
May 31 03:37:37 <qwerty12_N800> hehe, gonna hate myself for it later on today :/
May 31 03:43:15 <GAN8001> You just gotta power through, qwerty12_N800.
May 31 03:43:28 <qwerty12_N800> :)
May 31 03:43:55 <GAN8001> It's hard getting through the bad part in the morning
May 31 03:44:07 <GAN8001> but once you get through, you'll have a massive second wind. :P
May 31 03:44:17 <GAN8001> You just can't wimp out and sleep in the morning
May 31 03:44:26 <GAN8001> or else your schedule will be fucked up for weeks.
May 31 03:45:07 <qwerty12_N800> I always get up in the morning, never been one to  stay in bed for ages :)
May 31 04:09:56 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 04:12:04 <qwerty12_N800> rm_you is determined :p
May 31 04:12:23 <GAN800> He's probably drunk and asleep.
May 31 04:13:30 <Navi> Woo
May 31 04:13:38 <Navi> good combination
May 31 04:13:46 <GAN800> Like Navi wishes he were.
May 31 04:13:46 <rm_you> lol
May 31 04:13:55 <rm_you> too much drinking in the last few days
May 31 04:14:01 <rm_you> i've stopped for a bit :P
May 31 04:14:09 <rm_you> and i only woke up at 6PM
May 31 04:14:11 <rm_you> sooooo, no
May 31 04:14:31 <GAN800> Drinking kills me.
May 31 04:14:35 <Navi> I wish I were in GAN800's bed
May 31 04:14:40 <rm_you> <_<
May 31 04:14:42 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 04:14:56 <GAN800> Yeah, I have a nicr serta. :
May 31 04:14:57 <Navi> I don't keep my alcohol down well
May 31 04:15:06 <GAN800> Lightweight
May 31 04:15:23 <GAN800> neither do I
May 31 04:15:27 <rm_you> heh
May 31 04:15:36 <rm_you> I wonder if me and GAN would get along IRL if we hung out :P
May 31 04:15:44 <Navi> GAN800, you can have the HAVA
May 31 04:16:17 <GAN800> We should have a tablet meetingzin Texas.
May 31 04:16:34 <rm_you> lol
May 31 04:16:39 <rm_you> you're in florida, no?
May 31 04:16:41 <Navi> Ew
May 31 04:16:43 <Navi> Texas
May 31 04:16:48 <rm_you> well, yeah i know like 4 people in TX that have em
May 31 04:16:57 <Navi> I only know two
May 31 04:17:01 <GAN800> Navi's a self-hating Texan?
May 31 04:17:03 <Navi> rm_you and Mara
May 31 04:17:13 <GAN800> and Texrat
May 31 04:17:17 <rm_you> Navi: you in TX?
May 31 04:17:18 <Navi> I don't know Texrat
May 31 04:17:23 <GAN800> Yeah, Florida
May 31 04:17:27 <rm_you> ooo texrat in texas? makes sense :P
May 31 04:17:31 <Navi> I live in Florida
May 31 04:17:40 <Navi> under GAN800's bed
May 31 04:17:48 <GAN800> We'd probably have a, like, for-real fight if we hung out IRL rm_you.
May 31 04:17:49 <rm_you> lol
May 31 04:17:55 <rm_you> heh
May 31 04:17:55 <GAN800> :P
May 31 04:17:58 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 04:18:07 <Navi> GAN800's confrentational
May 31 04:18:09 <GAN800> Navi's the boogieman
May 31 04:18:23 <Navi> s/fren/fron
May 31 04:18:33 <Navi> I'm a boogieit
May 31 04:18:37 <Navi> I have no gender
May 31 04:20:02 <GAN800> Gross fairy
May 31 04:20:48 <Navi> Indeed
May 31 04:39:39 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 04:51:35 <GAN800> Poor X-Fade
May 31 04:56:06 <Navi> X-Love
May 31 04:57:29 <lopz> night
May 31 04:57:44 <RST38h> GAN
May 31 04:57:49 <RST38h> GAN: Have you slept? =)
May 31 05:08:53 <GAN800> Not yet, RST38h
May 31 05:08:58 <GAN800> 0107
May 31 05:11:34 <Navi> yeah, WAY too early to sleep
May 31 05:13:17 <ralann> sleep is forthe weak
May 31 05:15:11 <RST38h> heh
May 31 05:26:46 <beford> :/
May 31 05:29:22 <beford> my n810 halted down while idle (and plugged to the charger) and it did not mount mmc1 neither mmc2
May 31 05:32:17 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 05:33:33 <beford> it works again :]
May 31 05:35:50 <beford> wow. cool, did not know that maemo's file manager allowed me to see windows shares
May 31 05:52:11 <RST38h> btw, in a deb file name projectX.Y.Z_wordNNN.deb what do "word" and "NNN" mean?
May 31 05:53:06 <beford> platform? as in x86/amd64,arm
May 31 05:58:45 <RST38h> well, osso debs seem to have these parts of the name random
May 31 05:58:55 <RST38h> some of them say osso others say something else
May 31 06:10:55 <beford> like what RST38h?
May 31 06:12:16 <RST38h> like "bdfg"
May 31 06:15:22 <KotCzarny> it comes from debian i think
May 31 06:16:40 <sibbe> dfsg perhaps? (debian free software guideline)
May 31 06:23:37 <kulve> packagename_version_arch.deb
May 31 06:26:14 <GAN800> RST38h, did you see the packaging guide draft?
May 31 06:30:06 <RST38h> GAN: Nope
May 31 06:30:16 <RST38h> sibbe: correct
May 31 06:32:14 <RST38h> GAN: Ah, I see what it was intended to mean
May 31 06:33:29 <RST38h> the document does suggest using "maemo" rather than "osso", but I guess "osso" is used for historical reasons/
May 31 06:33:31 <RST38h> ,
May 31 06:36:32 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 06:39:18 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 31 06:39:52 <Navi> Afternoon
May 31 06:39:57 <Navi> What?
May 31 06:40:04 <Navi> I'm not thinking straight
May 31 06:40:15 <Navi> It's 1:40AM >_>
May 31 06:42:38 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 06:42:41 <GAN8001> Go to bed, Navi.
May 31 06:43:02 <Jaffa> Yeah - GAN8001 isn't that interesting ;-)
May 31 06:43:27 <Navi> Night
May 31 06:43:46 <rm_you> hehe
May 31 06:43:51 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 06:43:57 <rm_you> sup Jaffa :)
May 31 06:44:09 <rm_you> hey, what have you been working on recently?
May 31 06:44:25 <rm_you> mediaserv has been pretty much done for a while, right?
May 31 06:47:09 <Jaffa> rm_you: got a few things on the TODO, but I've not got any itches to scratch with it at the moment; and very little time.
May 31 06:47:19 <rm_you> yeah :/
May 31 07:14:24 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 07:26:58 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 07:28:23 <GAN800> lol
May 31 07:31:09 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 07:45:53 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 08:05:47 <Proteous> soooo muchhh poking
May 31 08:11:09 <rm_you> indeed
May 31 08:11:10 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 08:11:19 <rm_you> i want an extras account :P
May 31 08:14:34 <RST38h> rm you
May 31 08:17:58 <rm_you> RST38h
May 31 08:32:08 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 08:36:34 <GAN8001> Woo
May 31 08:36:40 <rm_you> >_>
May 31 08:36:42 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 08:36:44 <GAN8001> Pool pump's clean at 4 in the morning
May 31 08:36:52 <rm_you> GAN8001: have you gone to sleep ever since i did?
May 31 08:37:09 <GAN8001> Now I wont have to wake up at 9 tomorrow to do it before the showing!
May 31 08:37:16 <rm_you> selling the house?
May 31 08:37:20 <Jaffa> Showing?
May 31 08:37:33 <GAN8001> I haven't been to sleep in . . . 19 hours
May 31 08:37:41 <GAN8001> Yeah, selling the house.
May 31 08:37:55 <GAN8001> Some people are coming to look at 11
May 31 08:38:04 <GAN8001> Pool wont be green now. :D
May 31 08:38:33 <rm_you> i know some people who didn't like their house, so they wanted to sell it
May 31 08:38:43 <rm_you> and their real estate agent (my dad) made them clean it for the showing
May 31 08:39:02 <rm_you> and then they decided they didn't want to sell it, because it looked so nice when it was clean that they didn't recognize it
May 31 08:39:09 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 08:39:13 <GAN8001> Weird
May 31 08:39:24 <rm_you> apparently it hadn
May 31 08:39:31 <rm_you> hadn't been *clean* in YEARS
May 31 08:39:38 <GAN8001> Horrifying
May 31 08:39:49 <ralann> lol
May 31 08:39:56 <ralann> that's sad
May 31 08:40:02 <rm_you> http://www.di.fm/mp3/hardcore.pls
May 31 08:40:08 <rm_you> nice ian van dahl remix
May 31 08:40:26 <GAN8001> Ugh, Quim's blog posts are always such mindgames.
May 31 08:40:42 <rm_you> lol?
May 31 08:42:35 <ralann> ya, actually i did
May 31 08:44:58 <GAN8001> Partly language barrier and partly my own stupidity. :P
May 31 08:55:45 <Jaffa> GAN8001: in particular?
May 31 08:59:49 <GAN800> In particular the most recent one, and mostly just because I'm tired. 'mindgames' is the wrong term (as it implies active ambiguation). I should say cerebral/philosophical/academic for my tastes.
May 31 09:01:47 <Jaffa> I think I know what you mean.
May 31 09:25:11 <RST38h> GAN: Are you using "mindgames" as an euphemism for "demagogery"? =)
May 31 09:25:27 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 10:27:02 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 10:27:41 <qwerty12> That is some serious amount of poking
May 31 10:27:55 <qwerty12> if that was me, I'd pack it in and pull out the glock :p
May 31 10:28:06 <rm_you> lol
May 31 10:28:11 <rm_you> been poking him for like 8 hours
May 31 10:28:21 <rm_you> eventually maybe he'll respond :P
May 31 11:10:59 <johnx> hey, rm_you :D
May 31 11:11:51 <rm_you> hey johnx :P
May 31 11:11:54 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 11:12:08 <rm_you> back on my summer schedule of 9am-6pm sleep ;P
May 31 11:13:36 <johnx> does that mean I'll see more or less of you? O_o
May 31 11:14:38 <rm_you> hrm
May 31 11:14:46 <rm_you> dunno :P when are you generally here? :P
May 31 11:15:08 <johnx> well, when I'm on night shift I tend to sleep 8AM to 4PM :/
May 31 11:15:14 <rm_you> hrm
May 31 11:15:16 <rm_you> >_>
May 31 11:15:18 <johnx> heh
May 31 11:15:27 <johnx> still I'm on different schedules, different days :)
May 31 11:15:35 <rm_you> well... for the record, i will prolly be going to sleep in... 5 hours
May 31 11:15:35 <rm_you> ish
May 31 11:28:22 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 11:34:41 <AStorm> KotCzarny: hmm, the trick with Xomap might be that it uses an older version of OMAPFB_UPDATE_WINDOW ioctl
May 31 11:35:09 <AStorm> thus I'd either need a rebuild of it (do we have a source?) or to write a compat ioctl.
May 31 11:35:58 <johnx> AStorm, there is source
May 31 11:36:26 <AStorm> yay, gimme!
May 31 11:36:43 <AStorm> then I'll build it vs 2.6.25 headers and rock
May 31 11:36:52 <AStorm> or 2.6.26 headers for that matter
May 31 11:37:24 <johnx> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0.1/free/x/xorg-server/
May 31 11:37:38 <AStorm> :>
May 31 11:37:46 <AStorm> how to add these to scratchbox?
May 31 11:38:04 <johnx> pull those two files down and run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
May 31 11:40:54 <qwerty12_N800> or just apt-get source xorg-server
May 31 11:40:57 <AStorm> hmm, and it won't cry about deps?
May 31 11:41:02 <AStorm> ah, that will work, right
May 31 11:41:16 * AStorm will install^Wuse that scratchbox finally
May 31 11:42:13 <AStorm> ok, the next q: how then I package it into a deb?
May 31 11:42:38 <johnx> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
May 31 11:49:07 <AStorm> mhm
May 31 11:49:18 <AStorm> what if I want to make a package out of linux-headers?
May 31 11:49:35 <AStorm> (you know, make install-headers or some other debian-preferred way)
May 31 11:50:20 <johnx> any time you apt-get source you can use dpkg-buildpackage I think
May 31 11:50:52 <AStorm> yes, but it won't be apt-get source :|
May 31 11:51:10 <AStorm> I think there are no linux-headers of 2.6.25-omap or newer in debian tree ;P
May 31 11:51:53 <AStorm> no, there are some
May 31 11:51:55 <AStorm> in sid
May 31 12:13:00 <secureendpoints> is there anyone here who knows the internals of HildonFM particularly well?
May 31 12:13:29 <AStorm> why do you need someone like that?
May 31 12:16:49 <secureendpoints> because I am one of the gatekeepers of OpenAFS and we ported OpenAFS to the N810 but there are several behaviors of HildonFM that are less than desirable for us.  In particular, HildonFM walks directory trees to determine how many nodes are under each visible folder.  We do not see the same behavior for SMB or UPnP mounts.  I'm wondering if SMB and UPnP are special cased or if there is some...
May 31 12:16:50 <secureendpoints> ...method of configuration that we can apply to alter the HildonFM behaviors for AFS as well.
May 31 12:17:11 <AStorm> no, SMB and UPnP are handled by gnome-vfs
May 31 12:17:23 <AStorm> and I guess OpenAFS looks like a filesystem?
May 31 12:18:05 <secureendpoints> OpenAFS is mounted as /afs on all systems on which it is installed.  It has its own Linux kernel module.
May 31 12:18:34 <qwerty12_N800> the source (for at least libhildonfm) can be found on the maemo stage
May 31 12:19:03 <AStorm> yes
May 31 12:19:08 <AStorm> the source is available
May 31 12:20:38 <sxw> Yes - I've been looking at that source.
May 31 12:20:49 <sxw> Both SMB and UPNP appear to be special cased in hildon-fm.
May 31 12:22:12 <AStorm> they go through gnome-vfs, right?
May 31 12:22:20 <AStorm> or is that just an mtab check?
May 31 12:23:45 <sxw> They do go through gnome-vfs in terms of actually doing the donkey work of accessing files. But the filemanager has some code which appears to specifically handle those file system types. See hildon-file-system-smb.c and hildon-file-system-upnp.c which define specific file system classes
May 31 12:24:04 <AStorm> duuur
May 31 12:24:09 <AStorm> evil
May 31 12:24:18 <AStorm> can't they just use gnome-vfs as usual? ;P
May 31 12:26:30 <RST38h> sxw: Wrong
May 31 12:26:47 <RST38h> sxw: I am getting bt://.... stuff from file manager when opening files of my mime type
May 31 12:27:09 <sxw> Sorry, I don't follow you.
May 31 12:27:34 <RST38h> sxw: When you click on a file in file manager and it starts application registered to handle file's mime type
May 31 12:28:03 <sxw> It's not file behaviour that I'm interested in, but file system behaviour.
May 31 12:28:11 <RST38h> sxw: If this file is located somewhere else, not in the local file system, file manager will not copy it locally
May 31 12:28:15 <secureendpoints> our problem is that /afs appears to be mime type file:
May 31 12:28:15 <RST38h> It will just pass you the url
May 31 12:28:36 <sxw> Indeed, and the application uses the gnome-vfs API to access that file.
May 31 12:29:51 <sxw> But, when it's handling directories, the behaviour appears to be determined by the hildon-fm API. In particular, unless its told otherwise, this API will open all of the child directories of an object when it's displaying that object.
May 31 12:30:46 <sxw> When you're accessing a directory containing several hundred objects, each of which may contain several hundred sub directories, and all of these are distributed across many hundreds of file servers distributed world wide, this behaviour is a little sub-optimal.
May 31 12:37:40 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 12:38:38 <qwerty12_N800> lmao
May 31 12:38:44 <RST38h> sxw: Oh you mean THAT
May 31 12:38:52 * qwerty12_N800 feels sorry for rm_you 
May 31 12:38:53 <rm_you> lol
May 31 12:39:08 <RST38h> sxw: Yes, the @#&^%^%ing hildon fm dialog will descdend 1 level down
May 31 12:39:15 <AStorm> :P
May 31 12:39:17 * rm_you will continue to poke X-Fade for days if he has to
May 31 12:39:31 <RST38h> sxw: Scan all the files. And just to make space for them, it will memmap 100+MB from the system
May 31 12:39:49 <RST38h> sxw: This you can easily see by running top
May 31 12:39:52 <sxw> Yup. It looks like you can disable that by having a location class within hildon-fm which has request_access set to TRUE
May 31 12:40:05 <sxw> (for the location you'd like it to play nicely with)
May 31 12:40:22 <AStorm> we need a real file manager other than mc
May 31 12:40:45 <AStorm> maybe a variant of Thunar?
May 31 12:40:53 <qwerty12_N800> emelfm2 is nice
May 31 12:41:08 <sxw> It's not just the file manager though - it's any application which has an 'Open' or 'Save' dialog.
May 31 12:41:20 * qwerty12_N800 has a port of pcmanfm somewhere  that i didn't release
May 31 12:41:31 <AStorm> sxw: can't that be hacked away? ;P
May 31 12:41:47 <qwerty12_N800> steal the open diablo from fbreader
May 31 12:41:59 <qwerty12_N800> s/diablo/dialog/
May 31 12:41:59 <infobot> qwerty12_N800 meant: steal the open dialog from fbreader
May 31 12:42:02 <qwerty12_N800> heh
May 31 12:42:23 <AStorm> infobot meant: infobot should stfu
May 31 12:42:32 <qwerty12_N800> fbreader's got the best  i've seen  on a tablet, very fast
May 31 12:42:33 <RST38h> sxw: it is common behaviour for this dialog box
May 31 12:42:53 <RST38h> No gentlemen, no hacking. The hildon fm dialog has to be FIXED
May 31 12:43:02 <AStorm> exactly
May 31 12:43:09 <RST38h> (and whatever intern coded it this way has to be shot)
May 31 12:43:21 <AStorm> ~lart Nokia intern
May 31 12:43:21 * infobot does a little 'dpkg -P Nokia intern' action
May 31 12:43:29 <qwerty12_N800> compile your own version ;) and submit it
May 31 12:45:07 <qwerty12_N800> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/
May 31 12:45:23 <RST38h> qwerty: If I knew that my changes would go into official release I would
May 31 12:45:28 <RST38h> Otherwise, it is useless
May 31 12:45:34 <qwerty12_N800> True  :/
May 31 12:47:04 <qwerty12_N800> Can't you distrobute a separate version for developers to use? My faith isn't so high in nokia for bug fixing.
May 31 12:47:14 <RST38h> They do try to optiimize children loaidng
May 31 12:47:24 <RST38h> There is a comment "do not scan if expensive"
May 31 12:47:41 <sxw> Yes. That's the request_access flag I was talking about.
May 31 12:47:48 <sxw> It's set by the location class.
May 31 12:48:43 <sxw> The question I'm currently trying to work out is whether I can dynamically load additional location classes
May 31 12:49:06 <AStorm> ok, what was I supposed to disable again to run scratchbox? (some proc)
May 31 12:49:16 <AStorm> (related to stack randomization)
May 31 12:49:47 <qwerty12_N800> vdso? and lowering mmap value (for ubuntu at least)
May 31 12:50:04 <RST38h> Look at hildon_file_system_special_location_requires_access
May 31 12:50:10 <RST38h> In https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-fm/2.9-1/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-special-location.c
May 31 12:50:10 <qwerty12_N800> only things i can think of :/
May 31 12:50:18 <RST38h> This function should return true for large directories
May 31 12:50:42 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: yes, vdso
May 31 12:51:47 <sxw> Yes. But in order to make it return true, you either need to alter the shipping code (rather not), or find some way of dynamically loading a special location class into Hildon FM (which is what I'd rather do, if its possible)
May 31 12:52:40 <AStorm> is there some newer scratchbox install script?
May 31 12:53:56 <GAN800> No, RST38h.
May 31 12:54:24 <RST38h> No?
May 31 12:54:44 * RST38h votes for altering shipped code
May 31 12:54:44 <GAN800> Not the term I was looking for. ;)
May 31 12:55:00 <RST38h> Ah, that one...
May 31 13:04:20 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 13:05:49 * Anunakin Working on mouse emulation...
May 31 13:26:10 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 13:39:17 <lopz> hi
May 31 13:43:12 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 13:46:36 <GAN800> Persistent bugger. :P
May 31 13:48:00 <rm_you> lol
May 31 13:48:09 <rm_you> gonna do it until he responds :P
May 31 13:48:20 <rm_you> might go on a sleep strike
May 31 13:48:41 <GAN800> I want to know how many highlights he has when he gets back. :
May 31 13:49:10 <GAN800> 'course, he may see the number and just not COME back. :P
May 31 13:59:26 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
May 31 14:05:23 <summatusmentis> I'm expecting to not see rm_you again after he XFade comes back
May 31 14:05:31 <rm_you> lol
May 31 14:05:55 <summatusmentis> -he
May 31 14:06:42 <GAN800> Highlight and run
May 31 14:06:56 <summatusmentis> :)
May 31 14:09:51 <rm_you> lol X-Fade X-Fade X-Fade
May 31 14:10:06 <rm_you> GAN800: why am I poking him again? :P
May 31 14:11:47 <RST38h> rm: it is weekend so you will probably have to do it for another 30-40 hours
May 31 14:12:08 <rm_you> >_<
May 31 14:15:21 <GAN800> Not so much that, but LinuxTag. :P
May 31 14:17:59 <rm_you> whatever... i'll just try on Monday then
May 31 14:20:53 <drwx> hi
May 31 14:21:55 <drwx> I'm doing a sdl based program on my N810, and I want to draw some text but sdl_ttf is not in maemo. How can I do?
May 31 14:22:34 <drwx> I dont understand how canola and others can draw text
May 31 14:28:18 <GAN800> Canola is efl, drwx
May 31 14:28:35 <GAN800> You want to talk to lcuk for fast text rendering.
May 31 14:28:54 <GAN800> He's at LinuxTag until Sunday or Monday, though.
May 31 14:30:30 <drwx> where it is?
May 31 14:32:42 <GAN800> Where what is?
May 31 14:32:55 <drwx> LinuxTag
May 31 14:33:02 <GAN800> Germany
May 31 14:36:26 <summatusmentis> what happens if I'm getting post install errors from a deb? is there a way I can remove everything it installs manually, and then reinstalling?
May 31 14:36:51 <GAN800> Which deb?
May 31 14:36:56 <summatusmentis> openafs
May 31 14:37:13 <summatusmentis> I'm already talking to the dev
May 31 14:47:48 <summatusmentis> dang it! penguinbait isn't here. KOffice can save to .doc!
May 31 14:48:35 <summatusmentis> GAN800: do you know if there's any way to run kde programs without needing to 'boot' kde ?
May 31 14:48:50 <summatusmentis> like, put them in the native maemo meu?
May 31 14:49:04 <GAN800> Debian chroot?
May 31 14:50:33 <summatusmentis> are you suggesting it, or asking if I'm running one
May 31 14:52:38 <GAN800> Suggesting
May 31 14:53:07 <GAN800> As my experience is limited with KDE (not at all suited to the tablets imo)
May 31 14:54:29 <summatusmentis> mmm... I'm still playing with it, but fi I can run some KDE apps without needing the whole thing, that would rock
May 31 14:55:50 * qwerty12 doesn't like KDE. cpu usage would blow a massive hole in the N800's ass and watchdog would come in and reboot the n800 >.<
May 31 14:55:57 * qwerty12 prefers GNOME
May 31 14:56:08 <unixSnob> question on the n800 internal flash.. not the internal SD card, but the non-volatile memory that hosts maemo normally: is it NOR, or NAND?  What file system is used?
May 31 14:56:08 <summatusmentis> I wonder if that's what just happened, my n810 just rebooted
May 31 14:56:29 <qwerty12> unixSnob, Filesystem is jffs2
May 31 14:56:44 <qwerty12> Also I'm sure it's nand
May 31 14:57:07 <unixSnob> thanks qwerty12
May 31 14:57:26 <unixSnob> So does the hardware internally have wear leveling?
May 31 14:57:58 <qwerty12> No idea about the hardware itself, sorry. You should ask at maemo-developers, hopefully Igor will respond :/
May 31 14:58:02 <GAN800> summatusmentis, http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2008/05/so-close-to-complete.html
May 31 14:58:03 <unixSnob> I'm wondering if wear leveling is both performed at a low level in the hardware, and also by jffs2, what's the result?
May 31 14:58:21 <unixSnob> k
May 31 14:58:43 <GAN800> jffs2 does wear leveling.
May 31 14:58:57 <GAN800> That the whole point of jffs2
May 31 14:59:08 <unixSnob> right.. but what if it happens internally as well?
May 31 14:59:09 <disq> and compression :)
May 31 14:59:13 <qwerty12> "I present OpenOffice running natively on a Nokia Internet Tablet :-)" - Is it really native when you have to use a Debian port?
May 31 14:59:18 <GAN800> It doesn't
May 31 14:59:31 <unixSnob> it's a duplication, and the two algorithms can undo each other
May 31 14:59:31 <GAN800> otherwise it wouldn't need jffs2
May 31 14:59:42 <unixSnob> ok
May 31 14:59:48 <GAN800> Give Nokia some credit. . . .
May 31 15:00:10 <GAN800> If that were happening, somebody's flash would be burnt.
May 31 15:00:27 <unixSnob> I've heard that all recent flash hardware does wear leveling
May 31 15:00:27 <unixSnob> So does this mean Nokia managed to get some old h/w
May 31 15:00:45 <GAN800> qwerty12, it's running armel, so yes. :P
May 31 15:01:12 <qwerty12> heh :)
May 31 15:01:13 <GAN800> No, mtd devices like the nand in the NITs just do it in software
May 31 15:01:27 <GAN800> Recent would mean SD cards, etc.
May 31 15:02:18 <summatusmentis> GAN800: so does that mean I need to have the debian chroot setup? Or can that be installed directly in maemo?
May 31 15:02:22 <unixSnob> GAN800 - well the flash will burn out eventually, even with wear leveling.  So I'm wonder if that's a motivating factor for folks who are moving their OS to removable media
May 31 15:02:44 <qwerty12> "	/* Rotate the lists by some number to ensure wear levelling */
May 31 15:02:44 <qwerty12> 	jffs2_rotate_lists(c);"
May 31 15:02:52 <GAN800> Not with newer flash longevity.
May 31 15:03:31 <GAN800> It's about space, speed, and convenience.
May 31 15:03:39 <GAN800> summa
May 31 15:03:55 <GAN800> summatusmentis, you'd need the chroot.
May 31 15:05:06 * unixSnob is considering booting SD media on a desktop machine
May 31 15:05:06 <unixSnob> I have no idea if my cheap kensington SD card offers wear leveling.  I was thinking about putting jffs2 on it just to be safe.. but I could end up having two wear leveling algorithms running
May 31 15:05:24 <qwerty12> jffs2 on a SD is odd
May 31 15:05:36 <GAN800> and stupid
May 31 15:05:51 <GAN800> All modern SDs that I've ever seen have leveling.
May 31 15:06:16 <GAN800> jffs2 would take a while to load 2-16gb into memory
May 31 15:06:36 <GAN800> It takes long enough for 256mb <_<
May 31 15:06:48 <summatusmentis> does anyone know if there's a way to uninstall kde?
May 31 15:07:05 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Did you use the non sd boot method?
May 31 15:07:17 <GAN800> unixSnob, I don't buy the 'two algorithms' argument, either.
May 31 15:07:37 <GAN800> summatusmentis, nuke it from orbit.
May 31 15:08:12 * qwerty12 has ultimate recipe for cvs disaster >.<
May 31 15:08:32 <GAN800> CVS is a drugstore here.
May 31 15:08:44 <GAN800> unplug all the refrigerators?
May 31 15:09:34 <qwerty12> Heh, no, I'm gonna check out the source by hand, using the web interface. But here's the best bit, it's stored on the web.archive.org >.<
May 31 15:09:38 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I transferred everything to sd, and installed natively
May 31 15:10:22 <qwerty12> I'd just reformat the SD ext2 partition then and clone again :/
May 31 15:10:38 <summatusmentis> GAN800: I have heard that you're not supposed to put jffs2 on an SD, for that reason
May 31 15:11:03 <qwerty12> The tools to manipulate jffs2 stuff comes in mtd-utils.
May 31 15:11:09 <qwerty12> I think mtd gives it away.
May 31 15:11:22 <summatusmentis> booting from flash
May 31 15:12:43 <qwerty12> Still though, if I can get this cvs to compile, I know we are gonna have one hell of a game ;)...
May 31 15:13:26 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I like the reformat thing. It'll fix my openafs problem too :)
May 31 15:13:56 <qwerty12> In all honesty, KDE installs too much to ensure a "clean" removal
May 31 15:14:19 <qwerty12> I used the old method and it had nuked my /usr/share/local
May 31 15:14:41 <summatusmentis> what was the old method?
May 31 15:14:57 <summatusmentis> also, where is the internal sd(on n810) mounted?
May 31 15:15:00 <qwerty12> Where it places kde.img and local.img in the root of your FAT formatted partition
May 31 15:15:06 <qwerty12> /media/mmc2
May 31 15:15:42 <summatusmentis> is it /dev/mmcblk1 ?
May 31 15:15:53 <qwerty12> That's not a mount point
May 31 15:16:07 <summatusmentis> no, I know, I need the /dev file to reformat though
May 31 15:16:19 <qwerty12> mmcblk1 is external cards iirc
May 31 15:16:22 <qwerty12> run df -h
May 31 15:16:31 <qwerty12> and it will tell you mount point and /dev entry
May 31 15:16:44 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: you're not supposed to put jffs2 on SD for what reason?  Efficiency, or because two wear leveling algorithms reduce the wear protection?
May 31 15:16:50 <summatusmentis> I don't see anything relating to soething over 256M
May 31 15:16:58 <summatusmentis> unixSnob: because of the two algorithms
May 31 15:17:09 <summatusmentis> i don't know where i heard that, or how true it is, but I have also heard it
May 31 15:17:20 <unixSnob> okay thanks.. I was just guessing that the two algorithms would interfere.. but was unsure
May 31 15:18:25 <unixSnob> Most of my SD cards were purchased years ago in rebate clearance kind of deals, so if there exists SD cards w/out wear leveling, I probably have them.
May 31 15:18:30 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: would a complete reflash fix all of this? it should restore to factory settins right?
May 31 15:19:03 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, yes except that your internal 2gb will still be the same
May 31 15:19:18 <summatusmentis> there's no nokia way to repair that
May 31 15:19:56 <qwerty12> no
May 31 15:20:05 <qwerty12> Remember that nokia don't really expect this to happen :p
May 31 15:20:18 <qwerty12> Just run sfdisk and reset the partition table back to normal
May 31 15:23:15 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: what is the flash /dev file? or is it not accessible?
May 31 15:23:38 <qwerty12> You really don't want to touch that one. You also have no reason to touch it.
May 31 15:23:42 <summatusmentis> I just want to make sure I don't destry the internal flash by reformatting it
May 31 15:23:46 <summatusmentis> destroy*
May 31 15:23:55 <RST38h> reformatting does not destroy flash
May 31 15:24:13 <summatusmentis> ok, not destroy, but make my machine un-bootable
May 31 15:32:34 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: maybe I'm missing something here, mmcblk0 should be my internal 2GB. How do I delete the partitions?
May 31 15:32:50 <qwerty12> sfdisk
May 31 15:33:04 <summatusmentis> just sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0
May 31 15:33:32 <qwerty12> Something like that, I haven't used it in ages
May 31 15:33:40 <qwerty12> it may be easier to search for it on itt
May 31 15:33:44 <mgedmin> sfdisk is a command-line tool
May 31 15:34:06 <mgedmin> cfdisk is a nice and friendly interactive ncurses-based terminal app that I usually use
May 31 15:34:12 <mgedmin> but I don't know if it's available for maemo
May 31 15:34:24 <qwerty12> it isn't so everyone uses sfdisk
May 31 15:34:32 <mgedmin> I repartitioned mine over usb
May 31 15:35:31 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: are there normally 3 partitions?
May 31 15:35:37 <qwerty12> No
May 31 15:35:50 <mgedmin> summatusmentis: what exactly are you trying to do?
May 31 15:36:09 <summatusmentis> mgedmin: I cloned rootfs, and installed kde
May 31 15:36:28 <summatusmentis> I want to get rid of everything on my internal sd, and re-close rootfs, without kde
May 31 15:36:55 <summatusmentis> or potentially install a chroot there, I'm not sure yet, but basically return internal sd to factory settings
May 31 15:37:35 <mgedmin> to return it to factory settings, you can reformat it from the file manager
May 31 15:37:43 <mgedmin> no, I'm lying
May 31 15:37:58 <mgedmin> the factory settings may have an incorrect partition size, which the file manager will fix (yay)
May 31 15:38:16 <mgedmin> and the factory condition included gps maps for your country on the internal flash
May 31 15:38:20 <mgedmin> which you won't see after reformatting
May 31 15:38:37 <summatusmentis> I don't care about that, I deleted "Map" anyway
May 31 15:38:44 <mgedmin> but you'll get a single 2GB FAT partition which is pretty close to the factory settings
May 31 15:39:17 <summatusmentis> I had no idea there was a GUI way of doing it
May 31 15:39:35 <mgedmin> file manager, select the internal memory card on the list on the left, then menu, tools, format memory card
May 31 15:39:41 <mgedmin> it's a bit hidden that way
May 31 15:39:43 <summatusmentis> that makes life easy, thanks!
May 31 15:39:51 <nano-> My N810 doesn't boot. First it was stuck in a reboot loop, then I tried reflashing it and then it failed writing the rootfs and now it doesn't boot at all, except when i plug in the power cable.
May 31 15:39:58 <mgedmin> ouch
May 31 15:40:01 <summatusmentis> mgedmin: if I were of age, I'd buy you a beer
May 31 15:40:20 <mgedmin> heh
May 31 15:40:24 <mgedmin> I don't drink beer ;-)
May 31 15:40:28 <nano-> is there any nice hardware flash-mode that the device can be put in with a keycombination?
May 31 15:40:43 <summatusmentis> GAN800: can you pm me the commands I need to reflash NOLO and initfs?
May 31 15:40:51 <mgedmin> nano-: can you try reflashing again?
May 31 15:41:03 <mgedmin> I don't think the rootfs is needed for flashing
May 31 15:41:06 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, only initfs flash is needed
May 31 15:41:09 <nano-> mgedmin: doesn't that require the device be found by the computer?
May 31 15:41:21 <mgedmin> nano-: how do you mean?
May 31 15:41:23 <nano-> mgedmin: dmesg says nothing any longer.
May 31 15:41:25 <GAN8001> ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo -R
May 31 15:41:26 <mgedmin> the proper procedure is
May 31 15:41:32 <mgedmin> (1) make sure the battery is fully charged
May 31 15:41:32 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: ok, I need to update NOLO and initfs
May 31 15:41:35 <nano-> mgedmin: about any usb device..
May 31 15:41:42 <mgedmin> (2) start the flasher on the desktop -- it will say it doesn't see a usb device
May 31 15:41:50 <mgedmin> (3) turn off the tablet and unplug it
May 31 15:42:04 <mgedmin> (it doesn't turn off while the charger is plugged)
May 31 15:42:09 <mgedmin> (4) connect the usb cable
May 31 15:42:10 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, Ah, disregard what I said then :)
May 31 15:42:11 <mgedmin> (5) power it on
May 31 15:42:21 <qwerty12> (I thought you were removing bootmenu)
May 31 15:42:31 <nano-> mgedmin: yes, that doesn't work.
May 31 15:42:32 <mgedmin> also, (0) make sure you've got the right image
May 31 15:42:40 <nano-> mgedmin: still waiting..
May 31 15:42:41 <mgedmin> and the right flasher
May 31 15:42:50 <mgedmin> which is flasher-3.0, I think
May 31 15:42:53 <mgedmin> if your device is a n8x0
May 31 15:42:57 <nano-> mgedmin: the device boots up to show the text "NOKIA", blue on white background, then shuts down.
May 31 15:42:58 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I updated some things, when I couldn't access the right image, now I need to update the rest
May 31 15:43:01 <GAN8001> flasher-2.0 on OS X.
May 31 15:43:05 <nano-> mgedmin: yes, n810
May 31 15:43:07 <summatusmentis> GAN800: will that do both?
May 31 15:43:08 <mgedmin> oh, does it work?
May 31 15:43:21 <mgedmin> I thought 2.0 didn't work with the newest OS/device
May 31 15:43:21 <nano-> mgedmin: No, that's why I'm asking here.
May 31 15:43:26 <mgedmin> maybe that's only on linux
May 31 15:43:31 <nano-> I'm using 3.0
May 31 15:43:33 <mgedmin> on linux you should definitely use 3.0
May 31 15:43:39 * shapr hugs mgedmin 
May 31 15:43:43 <GAN8001> It's always worked fine, mgedmin.
May 31 15:43:44 * mgedmin waves back
May 31 15:43:50 <shapr> Hiya mgedmin, long time no see in person.
May 31 15:44:14 <mgedmin> nano-: I once tried to flash a 770 image on a N800 (or a N800 image on a N810, don't remember)
May 31 15:44:15 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, that's do nolo, I'm not sure if you can combine them like: ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo,initfs
May 31 15:44:21 <GAN8001> But now would be a good time to try!
May 31 15:44:23 <mgedmin> the flasher aborted with a weird "error writing" message
May 31 15:44:25 <mgedmin> I panicked
May 31 15:44:36 <mgedmin> *then* I noticed I was using the wrong image
May 31 15:45:02 <nano-> I got:
May 31 15:45:04 <nano-> Write failed after 37879808 bytes
May 31 15:45:07 <RST38h> Indians have killed Osama bin Laden!!!
May 31 15:45:09 <qwerty12> nano-, have you tried using 0xFFFF to flash. Usually I recommend normal flasher over it but you have nothing to lose and it actually gives you proper error messages
May 31 15:45:12 <nano-> usb_bulk_write: No such device
May 31 15:45:17 <mgedmin> whoa
May 31 15:45:26 <RST38h> PATNA, India - An elephant nicknamed "Osama bin Laden" that killed at least 11 people and injured dozens has been shot dead, officials in eastern India said on Saturday.
May 31 15:45:29 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I should have 51-3, correct?
May 31 15:45:31 <mgedmin> broken cable?
May 31 15:45:35 <GAN8001> Right, summatusmentis.
May 31 15:45:37 <shapr> RST38h: I'm not sure that's on topic here.
May 31 15:45:40 <mgedmin> the plug fell out?
May 31 15:45:41 <nano-> mgedmin: no, it rebooted in the middle of the flashthing.
May 31 15:45:46 <mgedmin> battery charge ran out?
May 31 15:45:50 <mgedmin> try again?
May 31 15:45:53 <RST38h> shapr: Does it matter that much?
May 31 15:46:04 <GAN8001> shapr, pfft.
May 31 15:46:11 <nano-> mgedmin: no, it was stuck in a reboot loop, so i thought it would not reboot when flashing... and flashing might fix the issue.. but it failed.
May 31 15:46:12 * shapr shrugs
May 31 15:46:12 <GAN8001> We're hardly ever "on-topic" here. :P
May 31 15:46:15 <qwerty12> nano-, I get errors like that when I only choose to flash rootfs. I only manage when I flash x-loader and secondary at the same time
May 31 15:46:32 * GAN8001 throws dretches at shapr.
May 31 15:46:37 <mgedmin> nano-: what's the exact command line you used?
May 31 15:46:38 <nano-> qwerty12: yes, but now the device doesn't pop-up as a usb-device any longer.
May 31 15:47:06 <nano-> mgedmin: Isn't that besides the point? The first goal seems to be to get the device detected as a usb device again.
May 31 15:47:06 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: ok, now how do I tell if it worked?
May 31 15:47:18 * shapr throws tyrants at GAN8001
May 31 15:47:18 <mgedmin> nano-: what do you see on dmesg when you plug it in?
May 31 15:47:23 <mgedmin> any errors?
May 31 15:47:25 <nano-> mgedmin: nothing.
May 31 15:47:27 <GAN8001> The device should've restarted, summatusmentis.
May 31 15:47:30 * GAN8001 is crushed.
May 31 15:47:30 <mgedmin> nothing at all?
May 31 15:47:35 <nano-> mgedmin: correct.
May 31 15:47:44 <GAN8001> Actually, not
May 31 15:47:47 <GAN8001> it shouldn't have
May 31 15:47:55 <GAN8001> I didn't give you -R
May 31 15:47:55 <nano-> (and earlier i obviously got the device connceted, and a couple of storage devices etc)
May 31 15:47:58 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: oh... well it restarted for both of them
May 31 15:48:04 <summatusmentis> and you did give me -R
May 31 15:48:13 <shapr> GAN8001: Man, I haven't played trem in soo long.
May 31 15:48:18 <mgedmin> nano-: you won't get storage devices until the n810 boots
May 31 15:48:18 <summatusmentis> I ran them separately
May 31 15:48:33 <summatusmentis> using RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,
May 31 15:48:47 <mgedmin> but  should be able to see it with the flasher
May 31 15:48:49 <nano-> mgedmin: yeah.. it did that before it rebooted in the reboot loop problem. now i get nothing.
May 31 15:48:59 <GAN8001> Neither have I, shapr.
May 31 15:49:11 <nano-> mgedmin: so back to the question, is there any cool hardware key-combo that puts the device in usb mode or something?
May 31 15:49:18 <mgedmin> weel
May 31 15:49:22 <nano-> Like dfu on the openmoko.
May 31 15:49:23 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, well, did it throw any errors?
May 31 15:49:23 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: it's showing Version: <unknown> is that common?
May 31 15:49:25 <mgedmin> hold down the home key when you're powering up
May 31 15:49:26 <nano-> mgedmin: what?
May 31 15:49:27 <summatusmentis> nope
May 31 15:49:32 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, very common.
May 31 15:49:32 <nano-> mgedmin: i can't power up.
May 31 15:49:39 <mgedmin> but usually it detect the flasher waiting on the other end of the usb cable
May 31 15:49:40 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: thanks!
May 31 15:49:44 <mgedmin> nano-: you mean, the power button doesn't work?
May 31 15:49:51 <GAN8001> You should be good, summatusmentis.
May 31 15:49:51 <nano-> mgedmin: no
May 31 15:49:51 <mgedmin> the led doesn't light up?
May 31 15:49:54 <mgedmin> ouch
May 31 15:50:00 <mgedmin> dead battery?
May 31 15:50:08 <nano-> mgedmin: no.. but it does the first time the power cable is attached.
May 31 15:50:16 <qwerty12> You can actually fix the <unknown> software version without any dangerous stuff at all.
May 31 15:50:20 <nano-> and then it boots up, shows the nokia text, then shuts down.
May 31 15:50:24 <mgedmin> I would keep it for a couple of hours with the charger plugged in
May 31 15:50:29 <nano-> and then i need to replug the cable to get it to light up again.
May 31 15:50:42 <summatusmentis> is booting from SD pretty common? Is there a reason not to?
May 31 15:51:08 <mgedmin> summatusmentis: is "too much hassle" or "I just can't be bothered" a good reason?
May 31 15:51:23 <summatusmentis> mgedmin: lol, I guess. There's a .deb that does it for you
May 31 15:52:13 <mgedmin> nano-: I've had problems with the 770 and the n800 getting it to power on before
May 31 15:52:28 <mgedmin> one 770 behaved exactly like what you describe
May 31 15:52:30 <tank-man> booting from sd is pretty much just 2 steps, clone the filesystem to sd card and make it so it boots from sd card
May 31 15:52:46 <mgedmin> but after I kept it charging for a few hours (without trying to turn it on), it worked fine
May 31 15:53:14 <summatusmentis> tank-man: aside from the extra space, are there any benefits to it? what about bad side effects?
May 31 15:53:27 <nano-> mgedmin: ok.. so it's just a matter of charging it then? it's ok with my half-written-rootfs then?
May 31 15:53:47 <mgedmin> the half-written rootfs is a complication
May 31 15:53:48 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: I'm still getting bootmenu, is that bad?
May 31 15:53:56 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 31 15:53:59 <mgedmin> nano-: I'm pretty sure you'll need to reflash to get it to work
May 31 15:54:02 <GAN8001> Guess that == no success.
May 31 15:54:07 <tank-man> no bad side effects i can think of
May 31 15:54:17 <mgedmin> but I don't find it unlikely that you'd need to recharge the battery first before you can get it to reflash
May 31 15:54:21 * mgedmin shrugs
May 31 15:54:21 <GAN8001> ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=nolo
May 31 15:54:25 <GAN8001> ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO image> --flash-only=initfs -R
May 31 15:54:29 <GAN8001> Do it like that, then
May 31 15:54:33 <nano-> mgedmin: how can i reflash it if it's not recognized by my laptop?
May 31 15:54:37 <mgedmin> I can't guarantee that it'll work, but it's a thing to try before shipping the device to a nokia service center
May 31 15:54:40 <nano-> mgedmin: it just stays at: Suitable USB device not found, waiting
May 31 15:54:46 <mgedmin> nano-: that's good
May 31 15:54:50 <mgedmin> that's what it's supposed to say
May 31 15:54:54 <mgedmin> and then you plug in the cable
May 31 15:54:56 <nano-> mgedmin: not forever?
May 31 15:54:58 <mgedmin> and then you press the power button
May 31 15:55:05 <nano-> mgedmin: power button still doesn't work .
May 31 15:55:07 <mgedmin> and *then* the flasher should say "oh, hey, I see it"
May 31 15:55:48 <mgedmin> what can I say?  I think the battery is empty
May 31 15:55:54 <mgedmin> or just very low
May 31 15:56:42 <nano-> mgedmin: if i have the n810 turned off, the usb thing plugged in, then hold the power button, plugin the power cable into the n810 it starts with the blue led and crap.. and shows the blue "NOKIA" text on a white background, then after 3-4 seconds it turns off.
May 31 15:56:53 <mgedmin> NO
May 31 15:57:00 <nano-> mgedmin: the flasher doesn't say anything after the text "Suitable USB device not found, waiting"
May 31 15:57:02 <mgedmin> you can't reflash with the power cable
May 31 15:57:35 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: the NOLO told me ther was nothing to do, and the initfs worked, but still thre a bootmenu upon reboot
May 31 15:57:38 <mgedmin> it's how the device was designed
May 31 15:57:48 <mgedmin> a program must be running to monitor the charger process
May 31 15:57:49 <summatusmentis> should it be plugged in?
May 31 15:57:50 <GAN8001> Weirdness
May 31 15:57:55 <mgedmin> and you can't reflash it when it's running
May 31 15:57:55 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, you didn't flash initfs properly then
May 31 15:58:15 <GAN8001> You can flash with the power cable, mgedmin.
May 31 15:58:17 <nano-> mgedmin: it's been plugged in and charging all afternoon.
May 31 15:58:20 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I did it the way GAN8001 told me to :)
May 31 15:58:31 <GAN8001> Which should do it fine.
May 31 15:58:35 <nano-> mgedmin: however, it has been power cycling as fast as possible all the time, so that might have interrupted the charging.
May 31 15:58:50 <mgedmin> hmm
May 31 15:59:03 <mgedmin> I haven't tried flashing with the power cable plugged
May 31 15:59:16 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, ./flasher-2.0 -u -F <FIASCO image> && ./flasher-2.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2
May 31 15:59:20 <mgedmin> I know that the official flashing instructions say it must be unplugged, and the battery must be fully charged
May 31 15:59:24 <qwerty12> Longer method though.
May 31 15:59:27 <unixSnob> RST38h: how were the indians killed?  impaled on a tusk?
May 31 15:59:28 <mgedmin> and that you should use flasher-3.0
May 31 15:59:41 <mgedmin> and I also know that when I followed the instructions, flashing worked for me
May 31 15:59:41 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I don't have an initfs.jffs2
May 31 15:59:58 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, the 1st command makes it
May 31 16:00:13 <qwerty12> or rather extracts it
May 31 16:00:20 <summatusmentis> oh, alright
May 31 16:01:19 <GAN8001> Maybe ./flasher-2.0 -F <FIASCO> --flash-only=nolo -f?
May 31 16:01:19 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: ok, that ran, do I just shut it down now?
May 31 16:01:20 <GAN8001> Hrm
May 31 16:01:41 <qwerty12> NOLO doesn't need to be flashed to remove bootmenu
May 31 16:01:50 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, unplug the usb cable
May 31 16:01:57 <qwerty12> it should start booting
May 31 16:02:10 <summatusmentis> yep, and no boot menu
May 31 16:02:18 <qwerty12> see, what did I tell you :p
May 31 16:02:23 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: EPIC FAILZ!!! :)
May 31 16:02:41 <GAN8001> Duh, qwerty12.
May 31 16:02:52 <qwerty12> Duh what? My cmd line worked,
May 31 16:02:54 <GAN8001> But his NOLO is old.
May 31 16:02:58 <qwerty12> Ah, skeen
May 31 16:03:12 <GAN8001> summatusmentis, that command works for flashing without unpacking first just fine here. ;)
May 31 16:03:37 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: how do I know the NOLO is old?
May 31 16:03:50 <GAN8001> Because we never flashed it until now.
May 31 16:03:56 <GAN8001> is/was
May 31 16:04:15 <summatusmentis> ok, so I think NOLO should be up to date now
May 31 16:05:02 <summatusmentis> hi secureendpoints :)
May 31 16:06:42 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, run cat /proc/component_version and tell me your nolo version
May 31 16:07:17 <summatusmentis> 1.1.6
May 31 16:07:23 <GAN8001> Still old
May 31 16:07:24 <qwerty12> old
May 31 16:07:27 <GAN8001> Should be 1.1.11
May 31 16:07:27 <qwerty12> mine is 1.1.11
May 31 16:08:02 <summatusmentis> lol, ok. So then, since I extracted everything, how do I fix it?
May 31 16:08:21 <qwerty12> extracted method is a bit, give me a sec for the right cmd line
May 31 16:08:27 <qwerty12> *bit long for nolo
May 31 16:08:38 <GAN8001> I still think --flash-only=nolo should work. . .
May 31 16:09:05 * qwerty12 agrees too but if the extracted method worked, then what can i do
May 31 16:09:16 <summatusmentis> should I ry adding the -f at the end GAN8001 ?
May 31 16:09:31 <GAN8001> I don't see how it could hurt.
May 31 16:09:47 <GAN8001> Pastebin the output afterwards, too. :P
May 31 16:11:25 <WorkingOnWis1> I try to launch the VMware VM for the maemo SDK and I get an error. Failed to launch peer process. Any Ideas? Windows Vista Host
May 31 16:11:30 <summatusmentis> http://pastebin.ca/1035037
May 31 16:11:43 <summatusmentis> /proc/component_version still says 1.1.6
May 31 16:13:22 <GAN8001> After that?
May 31 16:13:26 <summatusmentis> yeah
May 31 16:13:29 <GAN8001> Weeeeird
May 31 16:13:36 <GAN8001> Looks like it flashed fine. :\
May 31 16:13:46 <summatusmentis> it's not because I seta a user password or something is it?
May 31 16:13:53 <GAN8001> Shouldn't be
May 31 16:14:16 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, when you press the power button, does your led light up then go off then the n810 starts?
May 31 16:14:47 <qwerty12> before I updated nolo, my N800's led would light up and switch on at that exact moment
May 31 16:15:01 * unixSnob wonders if switching to ubifs is possible on the NIT (in light of http://kerneltrap.org/taxonomy/term/348)
May 31 16:15:03 <qwerty12> now it switches off and the n800 starts after the update
May 31 16:15:08 <summatusmentis> I have to hold it until I see the nokia screen, and then the light turns off
May 31 16:15:32 <qwerty12> does the light go off after the nokia screen has come up?
May 31 16:15:38 <summatusmentis> yes
May 31 16:15:44 <qwerty12> Old nolo still
May 31 16:15:49 <GAN8001> GPE presentation from LinuxTag if anybody's interested: http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/files/gpeandmaemo_ltag2008.pdf
May 31 16:16:43 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: any success on the extracted NOLO flashing command?
May 31 16:17:07 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, it's too long and I only have the file names for the N800
May 31 16:17:19 <qwerty12> you do know how tab-completion works right?
May 31 16:17:23 <summatusmentis> yes
May 31 16:19:43 <qwerty12> ./flasher-2.0 -f -x xloader.bin<tab> -s secondary.bin<tab> -2 2nd.bin<tab>
May 31 16:20:01 <qwerty12> also -R should go after it too
May 31 16:22:27 <summatusmentis> /proc/component-version shows 1.1.11 now
May 31 16:22:33 <qwerty12> cool
May 31 16:22:36 <qwerty12> looks like that worked
May 31 16:23:01 * qwerty12 gets back to compiling gcc-2.95.2 (yes, I know it's as old as shit)
May 31 16:23:14 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: is it possible that since we extracted everything the first time, it needed to do it all extracted?
May 31 16:23:26 <qwerty12> no
May 31 16:23:29 <qwerty12> that would be stupid
May 31 16:23:39 <GAN8001> Weirdness
May 31 16:23:40 <GAN8001> Anyway
May 31 16:23:42 <summatusmentis> that seems to be how it worked though
May 31 16:23:43 <GAN8001> It's updated. :P
May 31 16:23:53 <RST38h> qwertty
May 31 16:23:53 <summatusmentis> thanks you guys
May 31 16:24:06 <qwerty12> np
May 31 16:24:09 <Cptnodegard> do mplayer read realmedia files?
May 31 16:24:09 * summatusmentis goes to be productive
May 31 16:24:10 <qwerty12> hello RST38h
May 31 16:27:51 <GAN8001> OK, RST38h, finally going through your wiki ideas.
May 31 16:28:01 <[cliff]> hi all
May 31 16:28:27 <[cliff]> is it possible to extend virtual memory beyond 64MB? I have a nice 1GB rsmmc card and I really want to push it to 256mb of swap
May 31 16:28:30 <GAN8001> Some of it's more appropriate for the 2010 Agenda (SB2, for instance), since that's more of a maemo rather than maemo.org thing and not really a 100 Days change.
May 31 16:36:19 <qwerty12> Goddam, the current wiki search sucks so bad.
May 31 16:37:05 <GAN8001> On mediawiki or midgard?
May 31 16:37:08 <gourdin> is there sometime an update of the browser ? it crash a lot here ...
May 31 16:37:14 <qwerty12> On midgard
May 31 16:37:17 <GAN8001> gourdin: , Diablo.
May 31 16:37:31 <gourdin> and is kinda slow :/
May 31 16:37:42 <qwerty12> install the microb SVN
May 31 16:37:51 <gourdin> GAN8001: diablo is out ?
May 31 16:37:56 <qwerty12> Atm, the browser sucks knobs in the diablo beta
May 31 16:37:57 <GAN8001> No
May 31 16:38:09 <gourdin> ho
May 31 16:38:11 <GAN8001> But that's when the update is coming.
May 31 16:38:11 <AStorm> hello again
May 31 16:38:19 <GAN8001> Unless you want to try your hand at installing the svn.
May 31 16:38:27 <AStorm> which toolchains should I pick for sbox?
May 31 16:38:37 <AStorm> esp. which debian one
May 31 16:38:50 <gourdin> GAN8001: where do i find the svn version ?
May 31 16:39:03 <GAN8001> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=178677
May 31 16:39:52 <gourdin> thx
May 31 16:40:12 <AStorm> and should I pick maemo3-debian? (sounds old)
May 31 16:41:09 <qwerty12> AStorm, I'm guessing you aren't using the scripts?
May 31 16:41:36 <AStorm> it's been the complete unpacked sbox binary
May 31 16:41:43 <AStorm> but I could use the scripts, yes
May 31 16:41:57 <qwerty12> I used the scripts and my CHINOOK_ARMEL says:     │ Devkits:          perl debian-etch maemo3-tools cputransp          │
May 31 16:42:50 <AStorm> hm, need a rootstrap I guess
May 31 16:42:53 * qwerty12 also recommends setting up another target for the 2008 toolchain and gcc4
May 31 16:42:58 <AStorm> mhm
May 31 16:43:04 <AStorm> I'll use the script instead
May 31 16:43:15 <AStorm> how do I make the script download/use another download dir?
May 31 16:43:36 <qwerty12> Not sure, haven't touched it in a long time.
May 31 16:43:43 <qwerty12> Rootstrap is here btw: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/armel/
May 31 16:43:54 <qwerty12> (for armel anyway)
May 31 16:43:58 <GAN8001> RST38h, I merged some of it in here. https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#Developer_documentation
May 31 16:44:06 <GAN8001> About to start a Software distribution section.
May 31 16:44:42 <rm_you> well, i guess i'm gonna sleep, GAN
May 31 16:44:48 <rm_you> ttyl (tonight) :)
May 31 16:44:52 <GAN8001> rm_you, gj!
May 31 16:44:53 <GAN8001> :P
May 31 16:45:05 <qwerty12> rm_you, all that and X-Fade never answered back :P
May 31 16:45:11 <rm_you> heh yeah
May 31 16:45:13 <rm_you> i'll try again
May 31 16:45:19 <GAN8001> Script!
May 31 16:45:20 <rm_you> GAN8001: poke him for me :P
May 31 16:45:23 <GAN8001> Set up a script. :p
May 31 16:45:25 <qwerty12> Set your IRC client to auto poke all night :p
May 31 16:45:25 <rm_you> lol
May 31 16:45:28 <rm_you> i was working on that :P
May 31 16:45:29 <GAN8001> Then I'll get a staffer to k-line you.
May 31 16:45:34 <rm_you> lol
May 31 16:45:52 * rm_you sleeps
May 31 16:45:58 * GAN8001 has the Exherbo guy to sick on you.
May 31 16:46:37 <AStorm> grrrr
May 31 16:46:41 * AStorm kills sbox
May 31 16:46:53 <AStorm> stupid thing had /dev bindmounted and I didn't notice
May 31 16:46:56 <AStorm> argh
May 31 16:48:28 <qwerty12> That is some hardcore netsplit.
May 31 16:49:31 <script> GAN8001: what?
May 31 16:49:49 <GAN8001> Ha, not you, real script. :P
May 31 16:49:51 <GAN8001> Sorry!
May 31 16:49:57 <qwerty12> lol
May 31 16:49:59 <GAN8001> Like, irssi script
May 31 16:50:02 <script> kk ;)
May 31 16:50:19 <summatusmentis> script: you could do it too though
May 31 16:50:39 <AStorm> argh
May 31 16:50:54 <AStorm> nobody ever should bind mount system critical dirs w/o my explicit permission
May 31 16:51:07 <AStorm> now I get to restore /dev
May 31 16:51:11 * qwerty12 goes to search for "phoenix 2007.34 crack"
May 31 16:51:35 <summatusmentis> what does phoenix do?
May 31 16:52:00 <qwerty12> Helps me in my quest for CAL and NOLO enlightenment.
May 31 16:52:16 <summatusmentis> lol, oh
May 31 16:52:33 <summatusmentis> are there any 16/32GB mini/micro sd cards?
May 31 16:52:57 <summatusmentis> I'm pondering seeling my iPod, and using my n810 w/ a big sd cardrd
May 31 16:53:03 <summatusmentis> -rd
May 31 16:53:59 <AStorm> summatusmentis: well, I don't think there are any yet
May 31 16:54:44 <summatusmentis> AStorm: bummer
May 31 16:55:05 <qwerty12> Looks like that iPod will stay with you for a while :p
May 31 16:55:05 <AStorm> they should be out soon though
May 31 16:55:15 <AStorm> later this year or early next year
May 31 16:55:47 <AStorm> http://gizmodo.com/341463/sandisks-n...gb-this-summer
May 31 16:55:49 <summatusmentis> I could go 2x8Gb or something
May 31 16:56:01 <summatusmentis> I need at least 13GB
May 31 16:56:50 <AStorm> N800 supports SDHC correctly, right?
May 31 16:57:07 <qwerty12> Yes
May 31 16:57:18 <qwerty12> It's 770 that needs patching iirc
May 31 16:57:58 <AStorm> mhm
May 31 16:58:04 <AStorm> summatusmentis: so with N800 you should be fine
May 31 16:58:09 <AStorm> it also uses full size SDHC, for which there are 16GB cards already
May 31 16:58:18 <summatusmentis> I've got the n810
May 31 16:58:25 <AStorm> ah
May 31 16:58:25 <summatusmentis> so yeah, :)
May 31 16:58:29 <AStorm> so, you're out of luck
May 31 16:58:39 <AStorm> it doesn't have the second slot, so no 2x 8GB
May 31 16:58:41 <summatusmentis> right, at least until later this year
May 31 16:58:50 <summatusmentis> well, I don't mind swapping cards
May 31 16:59:30 <summatusmentis> and I could maybe use a 12GB one, and part of the internal card, w/ unionfs
May 31 16:59:38 <AStorm> damn
May 31 16:59:45 <AStorm> who can gimme MAKEDEV script?
May 31 16:59:57 <AStorm> pastebin or such like
May 31 16:59:58 <summatusmentis> I think I can, hold on
May 31 17:00:52 <AStorm> qwerty12: do you know where I can grab latest sbox2 w/o Ubuntu?
May 31 17:01:23 <summatusmentis> AStorm: do you want the file itself?
May 31 17:01:30 <AStorm> yes
May 31 17:01:34 <AStorm> the script
May 31 17:01:36 <GAN8001> OK, RST38h, most of the short-term stuff should be in 100Days (might move your website suggestion to 2010, though).
May 31 17:01:57 <summatusmentis> AStorm: where should I send it? or do you want a pastebin of it?
May 31 17:02:06 <AStorm> pastebin will suffice
May 31 17:02:11 <qwerty12> AStorm, no not sure. give me a sec
May 31 17:02:16 <AStorm> hh?
May 31 17:02:23 <qwerty12> about sbox2
May 31 17:02:28 <AStorm> collision in ChanServ? WTH?
May 31 17:02:31 <AStorm> ah
May 31 17:03:10 <GAN8001> lol
May 31 17:03:34 <qwerty12> AStorm, I guess you have to compile the sbox2 yourself : http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2/Maemo
May 31 17:03:36 <GAN8001> Somebody once-over this?
May 31 17:03:36 <GAN8001> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/100Days#The_repositories
May 31 17:03:44 <GAN8001> I just did a big reformatting.
May 31 17:04:24 <summatusmentis> AStorm: http://pastebin.ca/1035072 from debian testint
May 31 17:04:27 <summatusmentis> testing*
May 31 17:04:32 <AStorm> qwerty12: mhm
May 31 17:04:48 <AStorm> that shouldn't be a problem now that my compiler works
May 31 17:05:07 <qwerty12> GAN8001, /me is in grammar nazi mode. look at ensue
May 31 17:05:22 <GAN8001> ensure?
May 31 17:05:26 <qwerty12> yeah
May 31 17:05:28 <GAN8001> What's wrong with ti?
May 31 17:05:32 <GAN8001> s/ti/it/
May 31 17:05:32 <infobot> GAN8001 meant: What's wrong with it?
May 31 17:05:39 <qwerty12> Nah, it says ensue
May 31 17:05:52 <GAN8001> Oh, repositories
May 31 17:05:56 <GAN8001> I was looking up top
May 31 17:05:56 <GAN8001> Thanks!
May 31 17:06:11 <qwerty12> Nice work on the wiki btw
May 31 17:06:16 <GAN8001> Garage logins work there if you want to edit, qwerty12.
May 31 17:06:46 <qwerty12> I'll just watch thanks :). My wiki knowledge is basically shit and I have nothing to add.
May 31 17:06:54 <qwerty12> Unless you want ensue fixed? :)
May 31 17:07:01 <GAN8001> I did it
May 31 17:07:08 <GAN8001> But there's no time like the present!
May 31 17:07:33 * GAN8001 still needs to recruit minions for his wikipedia takeover, too. :P
May 31 17:07:58 <GAN8001> I've got all that free stuff from Nokia, and all that business interest. Can't disappoint them now.
May 31 17:08:02 <GAN8001> :eyeroll:
May 31 17:08:12 * qwerty12 wishes that the 100Day and 2020 agenda wasn't posted on ITT.
May 31 17:08:19 <qwerty12> it's like saying, n00bs,come in!
May 31 17:08:42 <Proteous> n00bs!!
May 31 17:09:21 <qwerty12> Now I know why I stay away from the Newbie section on ITT.
May 31 17:09:28 <qwerty12> My posts should not be there :p
May 31 17:09:38 <GAN8001> Oh noes, Proteous knos noa!!!!
May 31 17:09:54 <GAN8001> qwerty12, my thoughts exactly
May 31 17:10:10 <GAN8001> Jaffa, sjgadsby and I were cleaning up the fallout from it.
May 31 17:10:25 <GAN8001> From which about the only useful things were from Bundyo
May 31 17:10:26 <qwerty12> :/
May 31 17:11:48 <qwerty12> Will the browser in the final diablo be updated to the SVN?
May 31 17:11:57 <GAN8001> No
May 31 17:12:00 <AStorm> argh
May 31 17:12:02 <qwerty12> Damn
May 31 17:12:02 <GAN8001> Sadly
May 31 17:12:15 <qwerty12> I'm gonna start working on a merger between the svn and the diablo debs
May 31 17:12:17 <GAN8001> qwerty12, we should at least be able to upgrade the Diablo browser to svn at that point, though.
May 31 17:12:29 <qwerty12> Ah, cool
May 31 17:12:39 <Stskeeps> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20573&page=1 <- could someone hint the poor fellow that if his AP doesn't enable WMI/WMM, it drains battery like insane
May 31 17:12:55 <Stskeeps> (i'm too lazy to make an account)
May 31 17:13:10 <GAN8001> Stskeeps, I don't touch wifi questions with a 10 foot pole.
May 31 17:13:19 <Stskeeps> got it enabled and my battery drain was gone
May 31 17:13:19 <Stskeeps> :P
May 31 17:13:30 <GAN8001> You just get dragged into a whole unreal realm of insanity.
May 31 17:13:59 <GAN8001> I'm sure we can talk qwerty12 into it, though.
May 31 17:14:09 <GAN8001> He's already in the insane-dimension.
May 31 17:14:13 <qwerty12> No thanks, I plan on walking out with my sanity :p
May 31 17:14:19 <AStorm> hmmm, how would I go about creating device-mapper nodes?
May 31 17:14:21 <AStorm> need them
May 31 17:14:22 <Stskeeps> ranging from n800 wifi gets me ill to "how do i do that on my sucky AP"
May 31 17:14:22 <Stskeeps> :P
May 31 17:14:23 <Stskeeps> ?
May 31 17:14:40 <AStorm> answer is simple
May 31 17:14:42 <AStorm> you don't
May 31 17:14:44 <AStorm> ;P
May 31 17:14:47 <AStorm> buy a good AP
May 31 17:14:50 <GAN8001> qwerty12, too late.
May 31 17:15:23 <qwerty12> GAN800, NEVER!!! I WILL KILL YOU IF YOU SAY THAT AGAIN!!! ARRGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 31 17:15:27 <qwerty12> Man, I'm fucked.
May 31 17:15:58 <GAN8001> Ha
May 31 17:16:22 * GAN8001 plays keep-away with qwerty12's sanity.
May 31 17:16:50 <qwerty12> NO MUST GET IT BACK
May 31 17:16:57 <qwerty12> WILL GET BACK WITH GLOCK 40
May 31 17:17:08 <qwerty12> OR SMACKING FIRE EXTINGUISHER OVER GAN8001's head
May 31 17:17:27 <GAN8001> The 2010 agenda really needs a cleanup.
May 31 17:17:32 <qwerty12> It's what not sleeping does to me :p
May 31 17:17:48 <AStorm> qwerty12: you mean with fire axe?
May 31 17:18:06 <qwerty12> Hmm, I guess that would do better job...
May 31 17:18:24 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: how do you know those ideas won't happen by 2010?
May 31 17:18:44 <GAN800> Hm?
May 31 17:18:45 <summatusmentis> don't clean it up until 2011
May 31 17:19:07 <GAN800> it's disorganized and ugly. :P
May 31 17:19:31 <summatusmentis> oh, so not actually removing anything
May 31 17:19:43 <GAN800> Maybe a little
May 31 17:19:53 <GAN800> The redundant meaningless stuff.
May 31 17:20:04 <GAN800> Like "Help pages"
May 31 17:20:04 <summatusmentis> fair enough
May 31 17:20:49 <qwerty12> "The ability to build a complete, flashable image by maemo.org community for beta testing of open components in development. (May be less necessary in an SSU-based world: TBC) " - This one's never gonna be possible under windows :p
May 31 17:20:52 <GAN800> But mostly I want to put some sort of framework in place to direct the flow a bit like I just did with the 100 Days.
May 31 17:21:15 <GAN800> Who cares about Windows? Windows sucks. :P
May 31 17:21:21 <qwerty12> Agreed :)
May 31 17:21:24 <qwerty12> I use Linux
May 31 17:21:32 <qwerty12> /cue distro wars
May 31 17:22:05 <qwerty12> The only time I booted into windows was a few days ago to test out some samba apps I compiled for N800
May 31 17:22:22 <summatusmentis> I need polish on linux... thinking about trying the newest ubunutu... i <3 OS X
May 31 17:22:29 <GAN800> i think u shud use GENtwo
May 31 17:22:39 <AStorm> I think you shouldn't use Ubuntu ;)
May 31 17:22:50 <AStorm> it sucks out the brain, then you end up a zombie
May 31 17:22:52 <AStorm> ;)
May 31 17:22:57 <GAN800> OS X is all the *nixy goodness with half the pain and suffering
May 31 17:22:58 <qwerty12> AStorm, You should know that installing SBOX is easier under Ubuntu ;)
May 31 17:23:03 <summatusmentis> meh... it's pretty!
May 31 17:23:10 <AStorm> qwerty12: yes, as it's designed by zombies, for zombies
May 31 17:23:17 <qwerty12> Fine
May 31 17:23:20 * qwerty12 chomps on AStorm 
May 31 17:23:29 * AStorm takes the fire axe
May 31 17:23:39 * AStorm uses the fire axe on qwerty12, you know how
May 31 17:23:39 <GAN800> \o\ <- zombie saw AStorm
May 31 17:23:43 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: sort of... I want linux-y goodness
May 31 17:24:52 <AStorm> (anyone played Vampire Bloodlines?)
May 31 17:26:11 <qwerty12> Would I like to?
May 31 17:27:51 <AStorm> unfortunately, the idjits didn't make a Linux version
May 31 17:28:00 <summatusmentis> you know what maemo browser needs? user defined CSS
May 31 17:28:01 <AStorm> and the doze one is also buggy like hell
May 31 17:28:12 <AStorm> summatusmentis: it has that, durr, GreaseMonkey?
May 31 17:28:13 <summatusmentis> so we can make links finger compatible
May 31 17:28:27 <GAN800> summatusmentis, it's mozilla-based.
May 31 17:28:44 <GAN800> Stick whatever you want in chrome.
May 31 17:28:45 <summatusmentis> AStorm: normal broswrs have it built in
May 31 17:29:01 <GAN800> It does, too.
May 31 17:29:09 <AStorm> yep
May 31 17:29:15 <AStorm> usersomthing.css
May 31 17:29:16 <GAN800> Just no GUI dialog for it.
May 31 17:29:17 <summatusmentis> GAN800: oh right... I forgot about chrome
May 31 17:29:36 <qwerty12_N800> summatusmentis, look at brontide's posts on itt
May 31 17:31:12 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: i apparently need to spend more time there...
May 31 17:32:17 <GAN800> Don't bother, summatusmentis. :P I speak from experience when I say you will never find a more vile den of scum and villany.
May 31 17:32:42 <GAN800> That's cool
May 31 17:32:48 <qwerty12_N800> Hehe
May 31 17:32:51 <GAN800> Just the taskbar crashed.
May 31 17:33:07 <summatusmentis> and apparently a lot of things that aren't documented elsewhere
May 31 17:33:07 <GAN800> All my taskbar plugins are gone. . .
May 31 17:33:18 <AStorm> as usual
May 31 17:33:24 <AStorm> it crashes here too every some time
May 31 17:33:32 <AStorm> I wonder why.
May 31 17:33:41 <qwerty12_N800> technically, hildon-desktop crashed :p
May 31 17:33:49 <GAN800> hildon-desktop you mean, not just the taskbar.
May 31 17:34:03 <qwerty12_N800> i said that :/
May 31 17:34:03 <GAN800> This was just the taskbar
May 31 17:34:15 <GAN800> I was finger keyboard
May 31 17:34:20 <qwerty12_N800> ah
May 31 17:34:38 <GAN800> Well, minimizing xchat fixed it.
May 31 17:34:45 <summatusmentis> I can't search ITT on the maemo browser
May 31 17:35:03 <GAN800> Use the google search on the itT front page.
May 31 17:35:19 <summatusmentis> oh
May 31 17:40:25 <unixSnob> GAN800 - are you using GPE?
May 31 17:40:45 <GAN800> No, I have no use for PIM.
May 31 17:40:58 <AStorm> Well, I do
May 31 17:41:12 * qwerty12_N800 only uses todo to stick notes on the desktop
May 31 17:41:16 <AStorm> and GPE UI isn't finger friendly
May 31 17:41:32 <unixSnob> AStorm: is it practical to put it on an n800 at this point?
May 31 17:41:43 <unixSnob> ah, i'll hold off then
May 31 17:41:44 <AStorm> well, it works ok
May 31 17:41:59 <AStorm> but UI isn't finger-friendly and it isn't integrated with usual alarm system
May 31 17:42:04 <qwerty12_N800> I really should get round to doing a proper compile of  that post it notes applet for os2008
May 31 17:42:08 <AStorm> btw, any solution for matchbox crashes?
May 31 17:42:24 * unixSnob is looking to migrate PIM data from Palm TX to NIT
May 31 17:42:31 <AStorm> (shown as panel and applets disappearing)
May 31 17:42:42 <GAN800> That's hildon-desktop
May 31 17:42:52 <qwerty12_N800> AStorm, Use modest or large statusbar clock?
May 31 17:42:53 <GAN800> Matchbox crash == reboot
May 31 17:43:10 <AStorm> no
May 31 17:43:14 <AStorm> it just restarts
May 31 17:43:16 <GAN800> There's a number of things that can cause hildon-desktop to crash.
May 31 17:43:21 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: I do use the statusbar clock
May 31 17:43:28 <AStorm> but even w/o it, it crashes
May 31 17:43:33 <AStorm> I do use modest
May 31 17:43:39 * unixSnob uses statusbar clock too - it works
May 31 17:43:44 <qwerty12_N800> Grab the version with alarms disable
May 31 17:43:45 <qwerty12_N800> d
May 31 17:43:53 <GAN800> Applets (all types), high cpu usage in some cases and reconnecting a BT keyboard
May 31 17:44:16 <unixSnob> my only complaint about the statusbar clock is it's military time
May 31 17:44:36 <qwerty12_N800> eh?
May 31 17:44:40 <GAN800> use the large statusbar clock
May 31 17:44:58 <AStorm> GAN800: hmm?
May 31 17:45:06 <unixSnob> GAN800, is that a separate app?
May 31 17:45:25 <GAN800> Having everything as a child off hildon-desktop was stupid.
May 31 17:45:31 <GAN800> s/off/of/
May 31 17:45:32 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Having everything as a child of hildon-desktop was stupid.
May 31 17:45:48 <GAN800> 'large statusbar clock'
May 31 17:46:12 <AStorm> when modest crashes, the hildon-desktop doesn't crash
May 31 17:46:21 <AStorm> I get "application E-mail crashed" instead
May 31 17:47:17 <GAN800> Modest has some weirdness with notifications/auto-checking for some people.
May 31 17:47:28 <AStorm> hehe
May 31 17:47:37 <AStorm> but it does work here, esp. the new versions
May 31 17:47:54 <AStorm> ok, so how to make hildon-desktop not crash? :>
May 31 17:48:32 <qwerty12_N800> upgrade large statusbar and disable alarms completely
May 31 17:48:47 <qwerty12_N800> (it's new option)
May 31 17:48:53 <AStorm> hmm
May 31 17:48:58 <AStorm> where do I get the update?
May 31 17:49:10 <qwerty12_N800> check itt
May 31 17:49:16 <AStorm> mhm
May 31 17:49:17 <GAN800> it should be in Extras
May 31 17:49:24 <AStorm> hmmhmm, let me check
May 31 17:49:24 <GAN800> if not, check garage
May 31 17:49:24 <qwerty12_N800> it is iirc
May 31 17:49:41 <qwerty12_N800> but there's like 3 of them now in extras :/
May 31 17:49:47 <GAN800> or google  'large statusbar clock maemo' :p
May 31 17:50:18 <qwerty12_N800> large glock maemo... hmm... i like
May 31 17:50:42 <GAN800> I say again, Glocks suck ass
May 31 17:51:00 <AStorm> ok, let me check which one I have
May 31 17:51:13 <AStorm> still, do the alarms cause the crash?
May 31 17:52:25 <GAN800> AStorm, the other option is to forward all of your hildon-desktop crash core-dumps (uncompressed, in the email) straight to Ari. :P
May 31 17:52:36 <AStorm> lol
May 31 17:52:42 <AStorm> I don't have enough bandwidth for that
May 31 17:52:50 <GAN800> hrm, better yet, line by line in the subject.
May 31 17:52:51 <AStorm> but, what is the exact cause of the crash?
May 31 17:52:53 <qwerty12_N800> Or get  nitro and let the nit take care of that :p
May 31 17:54:20 <GAN800> Some weirdness with alarmd and dbus or something.
May 31 17:55:00 <GAN800> 2 parts Nokia retardation and 1 part fiferboy fail
May 31 17:56:17 <AStorm> and an additional part of Nokia retardity ;) for hildon-desktop doesn't reload its settings after a crash
May 31 17:56:30 <GAN800> 'feature'
May 31 17:56:36 <qwerty12_N800> it's a (good) safety feature
May 31 17:56:39 <AStorm> yeah sure
May 31 17:56:46 <qwerty12_N800> better that than crash loop ;)
May 31 17:56:48 <AStorm> they should do that after 10 crashes in 5s ;P
May 31 17:56:57 <summatusmentis> I don't have a /home/user/.mozilla/microb/chrome dir
May 31 17:57:02 <qwerty12_N800> make it
May 31 17:57:23 <summatusmentis> ok, didn't know if it was supposed to be there
May 31 17:57:23 <GAN800> AStorm, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2614
May 31 17:57:43 <GAN800> Maybe suggest that there, AStorm. :P
May 31 17:58:21 <qwerty12_N800> meh, hildon desktop can be recompiled
May 31 17:58:55 * GAN800 should do that
May 31 17:59:15 <qwerty12_N800> nokia wont do shit. officialy.
May 31 17:59:20 <GAN800> I need to set up a dev environment on-device.
May 31 17:59:32 <qwerty12_N800> grab the vmware image
May 31 17:59:50 <qwerty12_N800> dev environments on device are slow :/
May 31 17:59:54 <GAN800> No Intel machines.
May 31 18:00:03 <qwerty12_N800> ah :(
May 31 18:00:12 <GAN800> No, :)
May 31 18:00:19 <qwerty12_N800> ha
May 31 18:00:39 <AStorm> GAN800: well, can't use scratchbox?
May 31 18:00:51 <qwerty12_N800> not in osx, i'd assume
May 31 18:01:00 <AStorm> qemu-arm should work on some non-ix86
May 31 18:01:11 <GAN800> Probably
May 31 18:01:14 <AStorm> yes, on PowerPC
May 31 18:01:24 <GAN800> I haven't bothered to investigate
May 31 18:01:25 <AStorm> qwerty12_N800: try that virtualization soft from Apple
May 31 18:01:36 <AStorm> that should work
May 31 18:01:40 <qwerty12_N800> AStorm, don't have a mac
May 31 18:01:50 <AStorm> huh? hackintosh?
May 31 18:02:03 <qwerty12_N800> can't be arsed
May 31 18:02:13 <AStorm> so you have Intel.
May 31 18:02:28 <qwerty12_N800> linux+xp+vista works for me
May 31 18:05:03 <GAN800> I don't get the 'cartoony' complaints about OS2008 I really like the look.
May 31 18:05:33 <qwerty12_N800> Agreed, os2006 looked cartoony
May 31 18:05:38 <qwerty12_N800> (and shit9
May 31 18:05:43 <qwerty12_N800> *)
May 31 18:05:55 <qwerty12_N800> or was it 2005 :/
May 31 18:06:06 <GAN800> 2005
May 31 18:06:12 <GAN800> er 2006
May 31 18:06:20 <GAN800> 2005 wasn't too bad
May 31 18:06:43 <qwerty12_N800> Although i would kill for the os2007 appleenvy theme to be ported to 2008
May 31 18:06:48 <GAN800> Just bot very exciting. and they had some fucked up themes with crazy red highlights
May 31 18:07:07 <GAN800> 2006 was really fruity
May 31 18:07:29 <GAN800> 2007 was all gothnshit
May 31 18:07:45 <GAN800> plankton or nuvopearl?
May 31 18:11:40 <summatusmentis> if I clone my rootfs to sd, can I just install the debian chroot inside of the roofs? or will I need a separate partition?
May 31 18:12:40 <AStorm> uhm?
May 31 18:12:55 <AStorm> hmm, debian chroot could work
May 31 18:13:00 <AStorm> if you change the initfs
May 31 18:13:19 <summatusmentis> I don't want to boot to debain
May 31 18:13:22 <summatusmentis> debian*
May 31 18:13:34 <AStorm> so why do you want it then?
May 31 18:13:37 <summatusmentis> I just want access to debian apps, inside of maemo
May 31 18:13:42 <qwerty12> for a chroot, you don't need initfs
May 31 18:13:47 <summatusmentis> right
May 31 18:13:58 <AStorm> summatusmentis: which debian apps?
May 31 18:14:21 <summatusmentis> I'm looking at the wiki page regarding the chroot, and it says I need a > 1GB partition
May 31 18:14:36 <summatusmentis> AStorm: OO.o specifically, but potentially others
May 31 18:14:44 <AStorm> OOo won't work, durr
May 31 18:14:46 <AStorm> I guess
May 31 18:14:51 <AStorm> not enough RAM
May 31 18:14:59 <qwerty12> it does
May 31 18:15:01 <qwerty12> there are pics
May 31 18:15:06 <AStorm> heh
May 31 18:15:10 <GAN800> Seriously, AStorm. :p
May 31 18:15:21 <AStorm> it really does?
May 31 18:15:24 <GAN800> Several people have done it, durr. . .
May 31 18:15:25 <qwerty12> What will elude me forever and ever is that why did nokia decide to put /tmp on the initfs?
May 31 18:15:33 <AStorm> why then we don't have a build for Maemo yet?
May 31 18:15:47 <AStorm> qwerty12: because it's tmpfs anyway
May 31 18:15:49 <AStorm> ;>
May 31 18:16:04 <qwerty12> Yes, but size of it sucks
May 31 18:16:18 <qwerty12> My initfs has  reached it's limit anyway#
May 31 18:17:30 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: do  I need to follow the instructions to the letter for debian chroot?
May 31 18:17:45 <qwerty12> I never thought I would say this but I need to compile an old compiler for scratchbox
May 31 18:17:52 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, I;ve never set up the chroot
May 31 18:17:56 <AStorm> 3.4.4 is too new?
May 31 18:18:00 <qwerty12> I do boot into debian however
May 31 18:18:30 <qwerty12> AStorm, gcc-2.95.2 from 1999 old enough?
May 31 18:18:39 <AStorm> huh, old
May 31 18:18:54 <qwerty12> I'm trying to compile OpenUT
May 31 18:18:56 <AStorm> can't build that with 3.x
May 31 18:19:37 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: why boot into debian?
May 31 18:19:42 <qwerty12> Unreal Tournament would pwn on a internet tablet
May 31 18:19:52 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, because sometimes, I feel like a break from maemo ;)
May 31 18:19:55 <AStorm> no, lose
May 31 18:20:02 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: :) oh, ok
May 31 18:20:03 <AStorm> no 3D accel, heh
May 31 18:20:14 <qwerty12> UT1 does software rendering :)
May 31 18:22:35 <qwerty12> GAN800, Mind checking what version number hildon-desktop is in your diablo?
May 31 18:22:40 <AStorm> yes, but it's too slow
May 31 18:22:55 <qwerty12> I used to play soft rendering fine
May 31 18:24:11 <AStorm> qwerty12: on armel @400MHz with 128M ram?
May 31 18:24:48 <qwerty12> 733 MHz comp with 128MB ram and 32mb vram. Ok, not same but near shitty enough
May 31 18:25:01 <AStorm> no, much stronger CPU
May 31 18:25:06 <AStorm> and probably at 400x300? ;P
May 31 18:25:32 <qwerty12> I dunno, I'm never gonna find out unless I get my ass round to compiling it.
May 31 18:26:00 <AStorm> fixing it for 3.x should be easy
May 31 18:26:04 <AStorm> I mean, GCC 3.x
May 31 18:26:22 <qwerty12> Not when you are as shit as me. So it's easier for me to compile an old gcc
May 31 18:26:40 <AStorm> no, it's not
May 31 18:26:48 <AStorm> to build gcc 2.95.x you need such gcc ;P
May 31 18:26:52 <AStorm> which you don't have
May 31 18:26:57 <AStorm> 3.x can't build 2.95
May 31 18:27:05 <GAN800> hildon-desktop --version didn't work, now I've got two. :p
May 31 18:27:24 <qwerty12> GAN800, I meant from app manager but thanks for trying anyway :)
May 31 18:27:34 <qwerty12> Mine is 2.0.15-1. But I see 2.0.17
May 31 18:27:43 <qwerty12> So I think we are getting skanked somewhere
May 31 18:27:50 <GAN800>  /me doesn't feel like turning on redpill.
May 31 18:28:12 <qwerty12> :)
May 31 18:28:13 <qwerty12> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/hildon-desktop/2.0.15-1/desktop-safe-mode.txt
May 31 18:28:28 <qwerty12> You may like that you hildon-desktop critiques :p
May 31 18:29:42 <GAN800> hehe
May 31 18:30:41 <qwerty12> This is too easy
May 31 18:30:47 <qwerty12> All I have to do is remove --enable-safe-mode
May 31 18:31:11 <AStorm> smells evil
May 31 18:31:25 <AStorm> they can't fix the problem, so they work around it like mad? ;p
May 31 18:32:34 <summatusmentis> so, if i'm going to run a debian chroot, can I just format the internal sd card to ext2, and install to there?
May 31 18:33:12 <AStorm> sure, why not?
May 31 18:33:14 <qwerty12> Bollox, I keep forgetting to switch target
May 31 18:33:33 <summatusmentis> AStorm: I don't know... just thought I'd ask :)
May 31 18:38:05 <summatusmentis> AStorm: I guess what I'm asking is would it be better to clone my flash to sd, and install debian chroot as a sub dir to that, or just make debian chroot where it is
May 31 18:38:22 <AStorm> who cares
May 31 18:38:23 <qwerty12> Eh. Why would you need to clone the flash for debian?
May 31 18:38:35 <summatusmentis> I don't, just might give me more room
May 31 18:38:54 <qwerty12> No it wouldn't. Debian don't touch nothing on /
May 31 18:39:18 <summatusmentis> well, cloning flash to internal sd will give / more room
May 31 18:40:58 <unixSnob> there's a really good deal on SDHC cards right now, if anyone is interested => http://www.slickdeals.net/
May 31 18:43:13 <summatusmentis> oh, rebates? :-/
May 31 18:44:24 <qwerty12_N800> w00t, it works ;)
May 31 18:44:45 <unixSnob> sure, y not?
May 31 18:44:49 <qwerty12_N800> i can killall -9 hildon-desktop and my applets keep bouncing back
May 31 18:45:20 <AStorm> yay
May 31 18:45:27 <AStorm> but then, we need to find out what causes the crash
May 31 18:46:14 <qwerty12_N800> it's very easy mod to do, i'd share debs but i've only compiled a diablo only version
May 31 18:52:49 <qwerty12_N800> i'm gonna put the original hildon-desktop back though, I don't like the idea of crash loop though
May 31 18:57:43 <GAN800> http://www.archive.org/details/QuimGil-MaemoLinuxtag2008Update
May 31 18:58:55 <summatusmentis> ugh... I hate having uber slow internet
May 31 19:02:01 <qwerty12_N800> milhouse will be happy to hear quim's voice
May 31 19:02:20 <summatusmentis> also, I love being able to ssh inton810 is sitting in my pocket
May 31 19:03:01 <GAN800> Woo wikipedia!
May 31 19:03:16 <summatusmentis> s/inton810/into my n810/
May 31 19:03:16 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: also, I love being able to ssh into my n810 is sitting in my pocket
May 31 19:03:29 <Fatal> there's something disturbing about sshing into your pocket
May 31 19:03:36 <summatusmentis> not at all :)
May 31 19:03:55 <summatusmentis> GAN800: wikipedia what?
May 31 19:04:33 <GAN800> Listen to the link, summatusmentis
May 31 19:05:17 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, cheers, i think we got implict mention :p
May 31 19:05:37 <summatusmentis> downloading the debian chroot right now, i"ll listing ~1 hour
May 31 19:06:04 <GAN800> Good. :)
May 31 19:06:10 <GAN800> You'll like it.
May 31 19:10:35 <summatusmentis> oh, the stream will let me listen alongside download
May 31 19:12:12 <summatusmentis> GAN800: where'd you guys get diablo?
May 31 19:12:38 <qwerty12_N800> the devil
May 31 19:12:43 <qwerty12_N800> from^
May 31 19:12:46 <GAN800> SSU
May 31 19:12:55 <GAN800> Diablo tableteer repo
May 31 19:13:06 <qwerty12_N800> (passworded now)
May 31 19:13:16 <GAN800> I want lardman's talk!
May 31 19:13:36 <summatusmentis> oh, and since i't passworded, noone can have it? :)
May 31 19:13:55 <qwerty12_N800> find out the password ;)
May 31 19:14:00 * qwerty12_N800 was 1st :p
May 31 19:14:11 <GAN800> ^ braggard
May 31 19:14:16 <GAN800> :P
May 31 19:14:21 <summatusmentis> lol
May 31 19:14:23 <qwerty12_N800> and loving it :p
May 31 19:14:28 <gnuSnob> someone said to disable alarms when using the large sb clock - there are two different "alarms" options
May 31 19:14:53 <gnuSnob>  The large sb clock has an option for alarms.. and then the statusbar panel has an option
May 31 19:15:19 <gnuSnob> I had to disable the alarms from the statusbar itself in order for the clock to work
May 31 19:15:28 <summatusmentis> presumably we don't know the password huh?
May 31 19:15:41 <gnuSnob> Does that mean I'll lose all alarms from all apps now?
May 31 19:15:59 <GAN800> summatusmentis, apt source.
May 31 19:16:27 <summatusmentis> GAN800: does it work?
May 31 19:16:32 <qwerty12_N800> yes
May 31 19:16:35 <summatusmentis> I don't want to break things
May 31 19:16:55 <qwerty12_N800> my advice would be to leave it for now
May 31 19:17:11 <summatusmentis> alright
May 31 19:17:21 <summatusmentis> I guess I'll just wait :)
May 31 19:35:36 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, Before I end up deleting them, do you want the hildon-desktop  that wont disable the applets when hildon-desktop gets killed?
May 31 19:35:51 <GAN800> Nah, no real need.
May 31 19:36:00 <GAN800> But thanks.
May 31 19:36:33 <qwerty12_N800> np, i plan on restoring the originals too
May 31 19:36:45 <GAN800> Who's the HE guy talking?
May 31 19:36:55 <GAN800> About the wifi kernel stuff, too?
May 31 19:53:00 <gpd> so I'm using my HSDPA Nokia E51 via N800 on O2 unlimited web/walk - and all is excellent - but it seems to 'drop' the connection if 'too much' traffic goes through... not sure if it is O2 doing it actively - or just a failure of the system at my end - anyone with similar experiences? [unlikely...]
May 31 19:54:23 <gpd> come to think of it - it also does it on XP via USB to the phone - so probably is O2...
May 31 19:55:30 <GAN8001> Sounds like it.
May 31 19:55:44 <gpd> but for the logs -- I am on simplicity plan and have a free web bolt on with 'unlimited' accces within fair usage.  It works perfectly via bluetooth to N800 and also to laptop via USB. Highly recommend.
May 31 19:56:20 <RST38h> N8x0s should really sell bundled with E51 phones =)
May 31 19:56:43 <RST38h> coupled with a faux curly wire =)
May 31 19:57:15 <gpd> I love my E51 so far.. great little phone.
May 31 19:58:33 <GAN8001> RST38h, you look over the wiki recently?
May 31 20:02:23 <AStorm> E51 is too large for me :P
May 31 20:02:47 <keesj> jott: are you there?
May 31 20:18:22 <keesj> pupnik: you made it!
May 31 20:18:29 <GAN8001> Hehe
May 31 20:18:39 <GAN8001> Welcome home LinuxTaggers. :P
May 31 20:19:25 <keesj> I have some pictures , I will probably mail later to the list
May 31 20:19:30 <keesj> http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo
May 31 20:20:09 * GAN8001 is waiting eagerly for the rest of the audio recordings.
May 31 20:21:03 <qwerty12_N800> keesj, nice shots
May 31 20:21:18 <keesj> thanks
May 31 20:21:35 <GAN8001> http://lh6.ggpht.com/kees.jongenburger/SEGmqywBcPI/AAAAAAAABbw/QOt7RfXP67k/p5291797.jpg?imgmax=576
May 31 20:21:43 <GAN8001> I guess hrw found a laptop
May 31 20:21:50 <keesj> mine :p
May 31 20:22:13 <qwerty12_N800> heh, i recognised it was yours
May 31 20:22:30 <keesj> It really is the way to go.
May 31 20:22:35 <qwerty12_N800> i  saw the serial cable flashing images
May 31 20:23:10 <GAN8001> keesj, great shots!
May 31 20:23:37 <keesj> skip the sdk part give people a real rootfs with gcc and such
May 31 20:26:55 <keesj> I get 500 INTERNAL_SERVER_ERROR's from picassa :(
May 31 20:27:06 <qwerty12_N800> same here
May 31 20:27:25 <pupnik> yeey
May 31 20:28:28 <GAN8001> pupnik, how'd the cam work out for your demos?
May 31 20:29:31 <pupnik> defective, returning it
May 31 20:30:46 <GAN8001> :P
May 31 20:30:56 <GAN8001> S'too bad
May 31 20:31:04 <GAN8001> How'd you present?
May 31 20:31:34 <qwerty12_N800> How's lcuk? Northerner power! :p
May 31 20:32:32 <keesj> lcuk was great! we where all impressed
May 31 20:33:10 <rsalveti> keesj: http://picasaweb.google.com/kees.jongenburger/LinuxTag2008Maemo/
May 31 20:33:14 <rsalveti> was missing last '/'
May 31 20:33:15 <keesj> He was very nervous for the talk but he made up for it afterwards
May 31 20:33:21 <qwerty12_N800> great :)
May 31 20:33:36 <GAN8001> Poor bastard was up first or second, wasn't he?
May 31 20:33:38 <qwerty12_N800> us northerners got da heat :p
May 31 20:33:47 <keesj> hi rsalveti
May 31 20:34:00 <rsalveti> hm, I guess that wasn't working at all and now it is :-)
May 31 20:34:02 <rsalveti> hi
May 31 20:34:46 <keesj> I think the mamona talk went ok.
May 31 20:35:22 <GAN8001> keesj, pupnik, anybody else who was there. Who was the Nokian-sounding gentlemen that chimed in about the Hacker Editions and wifi/kernel stuff during Quim's Q&A (from the audio file linked in the topic)?
May 31 20:35:30 <rsalveti> keesj: nice, how was it?
May 31 20:36:46 <keesj> rsalveti: it was a little to much I guess. but I think at least a few people are currently thinking :P
May 31 20:37:01 <rsalveti> keesj: nice
May 31 20:37:08 <keesj> most question where about power management and other missing things
May 31 20:37:18 <rsalveti> keesj: was it recorded?
May 31 20:37:27 <rsalveti> keesj: hm, got it
May 31 20:37:30 <keesj> rsalveti: I guess
May 31 20:39:13 <EruditeHermit> hey, what is the default runlevel for maemo?
May 31 20:39:25 <qwerty12_N800> 2
May 31 20:39:38 <qwerty12_N800> 5 if booted with charger in
May 31 20:39:52 <keesj> http://mamona.mmapps.net/lt/mamona_linuxtag_2008.pdf
May 31 20:40:18 <EruditeHermit> my tablet-browser-daemon isn't starting on boot
May 31 20:40:27 <EruditeHermit> so my browser is useless
May 31 20:41:11 <qwerty12_N800> EruditeHermit, by any chance, you weren't messing with the services control panel under diablo?
May 31 20:41:18 <EruditeHermit> yes I was
May 31 20:41:39 <EruditeHermit> is that a known issue?
May 31 20:42:01 <AStorm> hah
May 31 20:42:04 <qwerty12_N800> i fu*ked my daemon like that too
May 31 20:42:05 <AStorm> diablo got you
May 31 20:42:07 <summatusmentis> johnx: ping
May 31 20:42:27 <qwerty12_N800> but i have framebuffer so i saw problem ;)
May 31 20:43:27 <rsalveti> keesj: cool
May 31 20:43:27 <qwerty12_N800> EruditeHermit, change the number in /etc/rc2.d/ to make the browser daemon start after the xserver
May 31 20:43:41 <EruditeHermit> ok
May 31 20:43:50 <EruditeHermit> was that what it was initially?
May 31 20:44:28 <qwerty12_N800> no idea, but it works ;)
May 31 20:45:18 <qwerty12_N800> i could see fb output saying that the daemon couldn't open the display :/
May 31 20:46:25 <EruditeHermit> cool
May 31 20:46:26 <EruditeHermit> it worked
May 31 20:46:41 <EruditeHermit> darn services control panel
May 31 20:46:57 <summatusmentis> when I'm extracting the debian chroot, i get : tar: cannot create directory './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28': Invalid argument
May 31 20:47:00 <summatusmentis> tar: can't open './var/lib/bluetooth/00:19:4F:DA:FA:28/names': No such file or directory
May 31 20:47:03 <summatusmentis> suggestions?
May 31 20:48:21 <qwerty12_N800> you are extracting the debian beta 3 to a ext2 volume as root right?
May 31 20:49:44 <summatusmentis> oh, not as root
May 31 20:49:50 <summatusmentis> but should that matter?
May 31 20:50:21 <qwerty12_N800> yes, do it as root to ensure correct permissions and owners
May 31 21:27:05 <summatus|food> woot! sshfs )
May 31 21:27:10 <summatus|food> :) **
May 31 21:33:12 <blitzen> is there a simple way to integrate mp3 playback capability in maemo. for streaming over the web
May 31 21:40:07 <AStorm> too fast
May 31 21:40:09 <AStorm> ;P
May 31 21:49:22 <Tama^2> Hi
May 31 21:49:55 <GAN800> Howdy
May 31 21:50:32 <GAN800> I'm having the time of my life trying to pull a maemo pronounciation clip out of Quim's LinuxTag talk. :D
May 31 21:51:13 <Tama^2> :)
May 31 21:51:59 <GAN800> I'd love to turn this into something but it's CCed noderivatives.
May 31 21:57:41 <summatus|food> GAN800: mai mo
May 31 21:58:03 <summatus|food> oh, that's not what you meant
May 31 21:58:04 <GAN800> I've always said it may-mo
May 31 21:58:24 <GAN800> There's some discussion of it on the itos wikipedia article
May 31 21:58:41 <GAN800> Evidwntly there's no official pronounciation.
May 31 21:58:47 <summatus|food> I have too, but he pronounces it mahy-mo
May 31 21:58:58 <rcloud> its derived from latin yeah?
May 31 21:59:04 <GAN800> He's Finnish. :P
May 31 21:59:28 <summatus|food> he seems to be pronouncing the ae as if it were a latin word
May 31 21:59:34 <qwerty12_N800> Quim's Spanish
May 31 21:59:42 <rcloud> werd
May 31 21:59:50 <GAN800> You're right, qwerty12
May 31 21:59:51 <summatus|food> he's got a pretty bitchin' name though
May 31 22:00:23 <GAN800> 'Kim Jil'
May 31 22:00:57 <qwerty12_N800> that reminds me of that North Korean guy
May 31 22:01:06 <summatus|food> :-D debian chroot installed, apt-getting oo.o now :)
May 31 22:01:15 <rcloud> lulz
May 31 22:01:18 <summatus|food> Kim Jong-il ?
May 31 22:01:27 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, heh
May 31 22:01:34 <GAN800> Hehe, that's what I thought when I first found out the correct pronunciation.
May 31 22:19:53 <rcloud> can anyone give some advice on a python app i'm writing?
May 31 22:22:36 <Tama^2> shoot, maybe I can help
May 31 22:23:43 <rcloud> is python fast enough to decode mp3s for playback?
May 31 22:24:01 <rcloud> or do i need to integrate some c? also is there a python module for mp3 playback already?
May 31 22:24:32 <Tama^2> no, you do not want to do that in python
May 31 22:24:56 <Tama^2> especially on a mobile platform like maemo
May 31 22:25:32 <rcloud> how should I do it in maemo? I want it integrated into my app
May 31 22:25:40 <qwerty12_N800> canola's in  python but it cheats, it uses osso-media-server/gstreamer to playback mp3's
May 31 22:25:56 <Tama^2> If I recall correctly maemo supports mp3 playback for applications.
May 31 22:26:06 <rcloud> ok
May 31 22:26:07 <Tama^2> exactly
May 31 22:26:19 <rcloud> these will be mp3 files served on the internet
May 31 22:26:21 <rcloud> not local
May 31 22:26:34 <Tama^2> you can do that too
May 31 22:26:42 <Tama^2> with gstreamer
May 31 22:26:55 <rcloud> great thx
May 31 22:26:58 <Tama^2> you feed it with your stream as you download it
May 31 22:27:29 <dev> rcloud: https://coherence.beebits.net/browser/trunk/coherence/backends/gstreamer_audio_player.py
May 31 22:28:12 <dev> rcloud: you can take the player part there
May 31 22:28:12 <rcloud> sweet thanks
May 31 22:30:00 <rcloud> this is really helpful
May 31 22:35:48 <Rhoruns> hey guys, i'm very confused.. am i supposed to install Scratchbox on the N810 ITSELF, or a host computer??
May 31 22:36:07 <Rhoruns> i've been trying to install it on OS2008 on my n810, and it's not just working.
May 31 22:36:25 <Rhoruns> but then i noticed that no one actually says to install scratch ON the n810 tablet.
May 31 22:37:21 <Rhoruns> just holler if anyone has the answer. :) thanks.
May 31 22:37:59 <dev> it is meant for a host
May 31 22:38:02 <rcloud> hey rhoruns, there is a good vm appliance for scratchbox
May 31 22:38:09 <rcloud> very easy to use
May 31 22:38:19 <Rhoruns> vm? i've never used VMware
May 31 22:38:22 <Rhoruns> is it easy?
May 31 22:38:49 <rcloud> yeah man
May 31 22:39:02 <rcloud> just download vm player, download the appliance and your good to go
May 31 22:39:13 <Rhoruns> ahh, awesome man, thanks. :)
May 31 22:39:23 <Rhoruns> i'll look around and come back if i need more help.
May 31 22:39:37 <Rhoruns> so i use the host to compile programs for ARM?
May 31 22:39:44 <rcloud> its on the maemo site. dont have a link right now though
May 31 22:39:46 <Rhoruns> and just transfer it over to the tablet?
May 31 22:40:03 <rcloud> yeah, crooss compile for the armel then build it as a deb or ssh the binary over to the tablet
May 31 22:40:49 <rcloud> if u want to write python u can also use an eclipse plugin which doesnt need scratchbox
May 31 22:41:10 <Rhoruns> awesome. well i just need to compile a few programs. but thanks so much
May 31 22:41:28 <Rhoruns> i'm so retarded.. i spent like 8 hours doing the same damn command on the tablet.. LOL
May 31 22:45:17 <Oniano_> has anybody used gstreamer to capture some video on their n810 and send over a network to another pc here?
May 31 22:46:39 * GAN800 is loving Gizmo even more since his phone died and he can't find a charger.
May 31 22:46:56 <Rhoruns> hmm.. what do i search for to find that vm appliance on Maemo.org?
May 31 22:47:28 <Rhoruns> ah nvm.. got it
May 31 22:47:28 <Rhoruns> http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/
May 31 22:49:04 <Stskeeps> Oniano_: i have tried some gstreamer -> videolan on pc atleast
May 31 22:49:10 <Stskeeps> currently at a state where i transmit blue-ish pics
May 31 22:49:11 <Stskeeps> :P
May 31 22:49:31 <jga23> anybody able to the armel scratchbox to install in hardy?
May 31 22:50:43 <rcloud> whats the limit of bluetooth devices which can interact with nokia at once?
May 31 22:51:31 <Oniano_> Stskeeps, what's your setup?
May 31 22:52:04 <Oniano_> udp?
May 31 22:52:13 <Tama^2> rcloud: if you programmatically connect to a bt device I do not think there is a limit in maemo
May 31 22:52:36 <Tama^2> rcloud: there is probably a limit in the BT stack somewhere
May 31 22:52:55 <GAN800> Bandwidth'd probably be an issue before anything.
May 31 22:53:18 <Tama^2> rcloud: If I recall correctly the BT1.1 spec says that a master node can be connected to a maximum of other 7 nodes
May 31 22:53:32 <GAN800> I personally have done GPS, keyboard, headset and cellphone at the samr tome without issue.
May 31 22:53:58 <rcloud> ahh, well thats good to know
May 31 22:54:10 <rcloud> 7 is more than I neeeeeed
May 31 22:54:42 <rcloud> @GAN800 you were able to get a bluetooth headset to work?
May 31 22:54:44 <Stskeeps> Oniano_: sec
May 31 22:57:04 <GAN800> Headsets work fine.
May 31 22:57:32 <rcloud> hmm ok, i was having some difficulty
May 31 22:59:12 <t_s_o> http://www.vat19.com/dvds/freehand-pocket-for-hand.cfm <- new way to carry ones N8x0?
May 31 23:05:02 <Tama^2> mmmm looks so sweetly dorky, I WANT one!
May 31 23:05:05 <Tama^2> xD
May 31 23:05:40 <Tama^2> (I suspect it will be too small for the n800)
May 31 23:07:26 <rcloud> yeah i think that is the way to go
May 31 23:07:36 <t_s_o> the video at the bottom show them cramming a samsung blackberry clone into one
May 31 23:08:13 <rcloud> i want to carry my nokia in my backpack and forward the x server to a display in my sunglasses and input with my wristwatch
May 31 23:08:26 <rcloud> now who can do this for me?
May 31 23:09:22 <Rhoruns> lol
May 31 23:09:37 <Rhoruns> $10k plz k thx.. then i'll do it.
May 31 23:10:05 <t_s_o> hmm, hack a sonyerricson bluetooth watch, or maybe one of those phone watches to do serial over bluetooth? as for x server in sunglasses, not sure. but i have seen some video glasses. none of them look much like sunglasses tho...
May 31 23:10:18 <rcloud> they already make displays in glasses. i dont know if they are bluetooth or if bluetooth would have enough bandwidth
May 31 23:11:02 <rcloud> can we xforward over usb now?
May 31 23:11:54 <Nermal> 8|
May 31 23:12:05 <t_s_o> http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2008/05/casual_fridays_mac_users_dont.php
May 31 23:12:35 <t_s_o> the video glasses i have read about was all wired ones
May 31 23:13:09 <t_s_o> but the celio redfly does scaled up phone display over bluetooth iirc. but that use custom compression...
May 31 23:14:06 <rcloud> ack
May 31 23:14:16 <rcloud> bluetooth bandwith is only a couple mb right?
May 31 23:16:49 <rcloud> man it is hard to code while sloshed
May 31 23:17:48 <t_s_o> rcloud: i think its up to usb 1.0 rates if you have 2.0+edr hardware at both ends. on a interference free day that is ;)
May 31 23:18:31 <rcloud> ok so 1.5 mb?
May 31 23:19:00 <rcloud> well that is plenty for a solid display, especially the size of eyeglasses
May 31 23:19:25 <GAN800> Anybody want to comment on the 'Mystery Meat link' weirdness on the 100Days page?
May 31 23:21:44 <GAN800> X-Fade_!
May 31 23:32:22 <jga23> is anybody using the maemo sdk+?
May 31 23:40:29 <Tama^2> jga23: you mean the oen based on scratchbox 2.0? I tried to install it but failed
May 31 23:43:15 <jga23> Tama^2: yeah
May 31 23:43:27 <Rhoruns> whoa, this VM already has scratchbox on it lol
May 31 23:43:45 <Rhoruns> how do i compile something for the n810 ARM?
May 31 23:44:18 <jga23> you need to switch the scratchbox to armel
May 31 23:44:29 <Rhoruns> ok, there's two i think..
May 31 23:44:32 <Rhoruns> Chinook and Bora
May 31 23:44:38 <jga23> which is my problem, nothing will install on armel
May 31 23:44:42 <Rhoruns> oh
May 31 23:44:43 <jga23> you want chinook
May 31 23:44:47 <Rhoruns> ok
May 31 23:44:52 <Rhoruns> do you know how to switch to armel?
May 31 23:44:57 <jga23> at least in ubuntu 8.04, 7.10, everything worked fine
May 31 23:45:00 <jga23> sb-menu
May 31 23:45:03 <Rhoruns> k
May 31 23:45:06 <jga23> type that in scratchbox
May 31 23:45:10 <jga23> then choose select
May 31 23:45:20 <Rhoruns> ok
May 31 23:45:26 <Rhoruns> chinook armel
May 31 23:45:46 <Tama^2> Hi Navi
May 31 23:45:57 <Rhoruns> ok, what's the command to compile a source?
May 31 23:46:24 <Navi_> Hai
May 31 23:46:33 <rcloud> rhoruns what are you using?
May 31 23:46:40 <Rhoruns> im using the VM you told me to get
May 31 23:46:48 <jga23> what is your source?
May 31 23:46:50 <Rhoruns> im in scratchbox atm
May 31 23:46:58 <Rhoruns> uhg.. lol... you don't want to know
May 31 23:47:08 <rcloud> lol what is it?
May 31 23:47:15 <Tama^2> jga23: on the old ubuntu LTS I get to the point where it has to init the environment (after downloading meamo related scripts etc) and then it bails out with an error
May 31 23:47:16 <Rhoruns> i'll probably get banned if i say it
May 31 23:47:21 <rcloud> rhoruns is there a file called configure?
May 31 23:47:28 <rcloud> nah dude, what is it?
May 31 23:47:36 <Rhoruns> Bluesnarfer :P
May 31 23:47:49 <rcloud> hold on ill google that :P
May 31 23:47:53 <Rhoruns> kk >_<
May 31 23:48:11 <rcloud> wtf u sick fuk
May 31 23:48:11 <Rhoruns> the src is just two .c files.
May 31 23:48:11 <jga23> Tama^2: was that just for arm?
May 31 23:48:21 <Rhoruns> wha? LOL!?!
May 31 23:48:25 <jga23> gcc should work
May 31 23:48:30 <rcloud> lol i'm kiding
May 31 23:48:47 <rcloud> yeah gcc *.c -o whateveruwanttocallit
May 31 23:48:54 <Rhoruns> cool man :D
May 31 23:48:58 <rcloud> make sure u are in armel mode
May 31 23:49:02 <Rhoruns> ok, i am
May 31 23:49:08 <Rhoruns> chinook armel, right?
May 31 23:49:08 <Tama^2> jga23: yes, I think so
May 31 23:49:24 <Tama^2> it was a while ago so I do not recall exactly. I gave up
May 31 23:50:39 <rcloud> yeah
May 31 23:50:41 <rcloud> sb-menu
May 31 23:50:45 <rcloud> to select
May 31 23:50:56 <Rhoruns> okie dokie.. here we gooo :D
May 31 23:51:34 <rcloud> dood is this to hack bluetooth connections or what?
May 31 23:51:41 <Rhoruns> maybe.. >_>
May 31 23:51:54 <rcloud> lulz
May 31 23:52:16 <rcloud> did the compile work?
May 31 23:52:34 <Rhoruns> hold on, i'm a retard when it comes to navigating directories :D
May 31 23:56:40 <Rhoruns> wth..? i put the folder containing the srcs into the top maemo directory, and they don't show up in ls.. :(
May 31 23:56:45 <Rhoruns> hmm
May 31 23:57:39 <rcloud> what direc? /home/maemo?
May 31 23:58:31 <Rhoruns> hold on, i opened a term on the dir.
May 31 23:58:58 <Rhoruns> oh, scratchbox has it's own directory structure..??
May 31 23:59:23 <rcloud> yeah, but u can access it from the main direct structure
May 31 23:59:41 <rcloud> easiest way is to enter scratchbox and wget your sources
May 31 23:59:44 <rcloud> or whatev
May 31 23:59:49 <Rhoruns> ohh i see
May 31 23:59:56 <Rhoruns> kk, ill do that then
Jun 01 00:00:08 <rcloud> i'll try compiling it also, cuz it sounds neat
Jun 01 00:00:17 <Rhoruns> yeah
Jun 01 00:01:43 <Rhoruns> wth.. it can't resolve the host lol
Jun 01 00:02:07 <Rhoruns> i got it just fine outside of scratchbox
Jun 01 00:02:26 <rcloud> there shouldnt be a problem
Jun 01 00:02:43 <rcloud> scratchbox uses the same tcpip as the rest of the vm
Jun 01 00:03:11 <Rhoruns> yeah
Jun 01 00:04:07 <rcloud> gah my comp is so f'ing slow
Jun 01 00:04:16 <Rhoruns> pwned
Jun 01 00:06:19 <rcloud> ok, it compiled cleanly
Jun 01 00:06:35 <rcloud> i'll try it on my nokia
Jun 01 00:07:18 <Rhoruns> ok
Jun 01 00:07:19 <Rhoruns> cool
Jun 01 00:07:35 <Rhoruns> got a BT phone to try it on? lol
Jun 01 00:08:07 <rcloud> nope, my dad does though :)
Jun 01 00:08:33 <Rhoruns> hehehe
Jun 01 00:08:41 <rcloud> ok it seems to work
Jun 01 00:08:45 <Rhoruns> !!!
Jun 01 00:09:04 <Rhoruns> aghhh
Jun 01 00:09:14 <Rhoruns> i cant stand it.. i must compile XD
Jun 01 00:09:15 <rcloud> i dont know any  of the commands or whatev. but u want it?
Jun 01 00:09:24 <rcloud> it compiles completely clean
Jun 01 00:09:30 <rcloud> just run the makefile
Jun 01 00:09:42 <Rhoruns> from within scratchbox, yes?
Jun 01 00:09:50 <rcloud> yeah, make sure you are armel
Jun 01 00:10:07 <Rhoruns> k, but i dont know how to access the makefile from scratchbox
Jun 01 00:10:11 <Rhoruns> the directory is weird
Jun 01 00:10:25 <rcloud> just type make
Jun 01 00:10:33 <rcloud> in the bluesnarfer directory
Jun 01 00:10:53 <Rhoruns> i cant access the directory from scratchbox
Jun 01 00:10:57 <Rhoruns> i dont know how
Jun 01 00:11:10 <rcloud> goto /home/maemo
Jun 01 00:11:22 <Rhoruns> k
Jun 01 00:11:38 <rcloud> then wget the file
Jun 01 00:11:58 <rcloud> wget http://alighieri.org/tools/bluetooth.tar.gz
Jun 01 00:12:11 <rcloud> then tar xzvf bluetooth.tar.gz
Jun 01 00:13:57 <Rhoruns> tar: bluetooth.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
Jun 01 00:13:58 <Rhoruns> lol
Jun 01 00:13:59 <Rhoruns> ...
Jun 01 00:14:13 <rcloud> weird
Jun 01 00:14:35 <Rhoruns> very
Jun 01 00:14:41 <rcloud> try fakeroot
Jun 01 00:15:27 <Rhoruns> wait, i extracted using the gui
Jun 01 00:15:38 <Rhoruns> and cd bluesnarfer
Jun 01 00:15:43 <rcloud> so all u have to do is just make
Jun 01 00:15:44 <Rhoruns> make, and i get tons of errors
Jun 01 00:15:55 <rcloud> what are the errors?
Jun 01 00:16:00 <rcloud> i had none
Jun 01 00:16:18 <Rhoruns> WTF!?!? i think it's a symlink
Jun 01 00:16:33 <Rhoruns> gcc -Iinclude -W -g3 -lbluetooth src/bluesnarfer.c -o bluesnarfer
Jun 01 00:16:33 <Rhoruns> src/bluesnarfer.c:29:33: error: bluetooth/bluetooth.h: No such file or directory
Jun 01 00:16:49 <Rhoruns> uhhgg
Jun 01 00:16:52 <Rhoruns> i got tons more
Jun 01 00:16:57 <rcloud> there should be an include dirtory in the bluesnarfer direc
Jun 01 00:17:06 <rcloud> dood u want me to send u the program?
Jun 01 00:17:26 <Rhoruns> no... i must learn how to fix this shit
Jun 01 00:17:28 <Rhoruns> lol
Jun 01 00:17:38 <rcloud> lulz
Jun 01 00:17:56 <rcloud> give me ssh access and i'll check it out for you :P
Jun 01 00:19:06 <Rhoruns> bah..
Jun 01 00:19:16 <rcloud> so u have to know the device address before you connect?
Jun 01 00:20:02 <Rhoruns> yes
Jun 01 00:20:06 <Rhoruns> you need to scan for the mac
Jun 01 00:20:32 <Rhoruns> the AT commands are different for each phone i think
Jun 01 00:20:34 <Rhoruns> but im not sure
Jun 01 00:20:48 <rcloud> how do u scan?
Jun 01 00:21:18 <Rhoruns> i have no clue
Jun 01 00:21:34 <Rhoruns> more BT tools: http://www.security-hacks.com/2007/05/25/essential-bluetooth-hacking-tools
Jun 01 00:21:40 <Rhoruns> there's a few scanners there
Jun 01 00:21:51 <rcloud> ahh wait.
Jun 01 00:22:01 <rcloud> nm, we have a scannning tool. i'm drunk :P
Jun 01 00:22:07 <Rhoruns> lol
Jun 01 00:22:18 <Rhoruns> i give up.. send me the bluesnarf bin
Jun 01 00:22:37 <rcloud> k
Jun 01 00:23:47 <rcloud> how do you send in irc, i'm on my nokia
Jun 01 00:23:57 <Rhoruns> hmm
Jun 01 00:24:12 <Rhoruns> i dont know
Jun 01 00:24:14 <rcloud> if u have aol or skype or something i can send that way
Jun 01 00:24:18 <Rhoruns> ah yes
Jun 01 00:24:18 <Rhoruns> hold
Jun 01 00:24:18 <rcloud> wait nm
Jun 01 00:24:20 <Rhoruns> ok
Jun 01 00:24:21 <Rhoruns> lol
Jun 01 00:24:24 <rcloud> ok what
Jun 01 00:24:40 <Rhoruns> aim?
Jun 01 00:24:43 <Rhoruns> it's SgtRhoruns'
Jun 01 00:24:44 <rcloud> sure
Jun 01 00:24:48 <Rhoruns> SgtRhoruns
Jun 01 00:26:20 <Rhoruns> ?
Jun 01 01:04:54 <Rhoruns> any reason why i can run binaries from Terminal?
Jun 01 01:05:02 <Rhoruns> it always says Permission Denied
Jun 01 01:05:10 <Rhoruns> even with gainroot, and sudo..
Jun 01 01:13:47 <NeoStrider_> hey folks!
Jun 01 01:18:30 <KotCzarny> rhoruns: vfat doesn't have +x flag
Jun 01 01:18:45 <Rhoruns> what's vfat?
Jun 01 01:18:46 <KotCzarny> i'm assuming you try to run binary from the card
Jun 01 01:18:55 <KotCzarny> vfat is the filesystem on the card
Jun 01 01:19:04 <Rhoruns> oh..
Jun 01 01:19:52 <KotCzarny> you can copy binary to the device, reformat card with ext3 or mount some remote dir via sshfs/nfs
Jun 01 01:20:02 <Rhoruns> well, i moved it from /media/mmc2, to /usr/bin, and it still doesnt work
Jun 01 01:20:31 <Rhoruns> im getting segmentation fault now
Jun 01 01:20:33 <Rhoruns> wtf?!?!
Jun 01 01:20:36 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 01:20:46 <KotCzarny> bad code then
Jun 01 01:20:57 <Rhoruns> but some other guy is running it just fine...
Jun 01 01:21:02 <Rhoruns> same exact file
Jun 01 01:21:16 <KotCzarny> does it use some config or resources without checking?
Jun 01 01:21:39 <Rhoruns> no, it's just a sinlg ebinary.
Jun 01 01:21:43 <Rhoruns> single binary*
Jun 01 01:21:57 <KotCzarny> binary may be the same, but he can have different configuration
Jun 01 01:22:05 <KotCzarny> can't help further :)
Jun 01 01:22:09 <Rhoruns> bah..
Jun 01 01:23:30 <Fatal> might require root access, might depend on bt being activated.. and just bad error handling code :/
Jun 01 01:59:22 <Rhoruns> how do i access files from outside scratchbox's directory structure?
Jun 01 02:01:13 <KotCzarny> copy them
Jun 01 02:01:20 <KotCzarny> or mount inside scratchbox
Jun 01 02:01:57 <Rhoruns> hmm
Jun 01 02:02:22 <Rhoruns> copy doesnt work
Jun 01 02:03:03 <Rhoruns> im trying to put a source code in scratchbox's directory so i can compile it...
Jun 01 02:03:16 <Rhoruns> but it's not letting touch anything :(
Jun 01 02:03:19 <KotCzarny> don't foget to chown it later
Jun 01 02:03:25 <KotCzarny> if you copy it as root
Jun 01 02:03:34 <KotCzarny> then sbox user can't write to it
Jun 01 02:04:04 <dick-richardson> the touch screen on my n810 is hit-or-miss and nokia support is out until Monday. anyone know if they'll send an advance replacement?
Jun 01 02:04:06 <KotCzarny> chown -R scratchboxusername dirtogiverightto
Jun 01 02:05:21 <Rhoruns>  chown -R sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL /
Jun 01 02:05:24 <Rhoruns> invalid user
Jun 01 02:07:34 <Rhoruns> zooooooooooooooom
Jun 01 02:07:39 <Rhoruns> really fast text LOL
Jun 01 02:07:48 <beford> Rhoruns, check /scratchbox/users/<youruser>/home/<youruser>/
Jun 01 02:07:49 <Rhoruns> i think i messed up.. o___o
Jun 01 02:08:14 <Rhoruns>  chown -R root /
Jun 01 02:08:17 <Rhoruns> XD
Jun 01 02:08:23 <dick-richardson> chown needs a user specified...I think KotCzarny meant chmod
Jun 01 02:09:15 <dick-richardson> sudo chmod 777 <filename>
Jun 01 02:09:28 <KotCzarny> exec: id
Jun 01 02:09:35 <KotCzarny> and you will know your user name
Jun 01 02:09:40 <KotCzarny> dick-richardson: no, chown
Jun 01 02:09:44 <KotCzarny> change owner, not file flags
Jun 01 02:10:05 * rm_you|sleep pokes X-Fade again
Jun 01 02:10:13 <Rhoruns> bash: exec:: command not found
Jun 01 02:10:37 <Rhoruns> lol
Jun 01 02:10:38 <Rhoruns> id
Jun 01 02:10:40 <dick-richardson> kk, then your chown command doesn't look right
Jun 01 02:10:54 <Rhoruns> uid=1000 (maemo)
Jun 01 02:10:57 <KotCzarny> dick, prove me wrong then
Jun 01 02:10:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:11:19 <dick-richardson> I'm not sure what you're even trying to do...just noticed chown -R <filename>
Jun 01 02:11:26 <KotCzarny> not filename
Jun 01 02:11:28 <KotCzarny> dirname
Jun 01 02:11:32 <KotCzarny> recursively
Jun 01 02:11:50 <KotCzarny> because i assume he copies some dir to sbox dir
Jun 01 02:12:03 <dick-richardson> ahh, gotcha
Jun 01 02:12:06 <KotCzarny> but in sbox to actually use it it needs to be owned by sbox user
Jun 01 02:12:16 <dick-richardson> yep, i'm with ya now
Jun 01 02:12:48 <dick-richardson> anyone had experience w/nokia support?
Jun 01 02:13:06 * Cymor is back (gone 09:09:49)
Jun 01 02:13:09 <KotCzarny> not me
Jun 01 02:13:10 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:23:43 <summatusmentis> has anyone tried installing debian recently?
Jun 01 02:24:00 <summatusmentis> not debian, oo.o sorry
Jun 01 02:31:39 <summatusmentis> what does dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `mpd' in statoverride file mean?
Jun 01 02:32:40 <dick-richardson> how do I launch an app on startup?
Jun 01 02:33:19 <KotCzarny> which startup
Jun 01 02:33:23 <KotCzarny> sys or x session?
Jun 01 02:33:34 <dick-richardson> x session
Jun 01 02:33:43 <KotCzarny> hrm
Jun 01 02:33:57 <dick-richardson> sys just uses standard init scripts, no?
Jun 01 02:33:59 <KotCzarny> under normal x it's in .xsession file
Jun 01 02:34:06 <KotCzarny> but matchbox could ignore it as well
Jun 01 02:34:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:44:53 <summatusmentis> I suppose johnx is in bed huh?
Jun 01 02:45:02 <johnx> yeah, prolly
Jun 01 02:46:06 <summatusmentis> lol, oh ;)
Jun 01 02:46:20 <johnx> he's headed to work in a couple minutes though
Jun 01 02:46:25 <johnx> have a quick question?
Jun 01 02:47:08 <summatusmentis> just issues with debian chroot, and installing oo.org
Jun 01 02:47:33 <summatusmentis> maybe aptitude can fix it
Jun 01 02:48:41 <summatusmentis> johnx: don't worry about me, you go to work, and if it's still breaking, I'll bug you tomorrow
Jun 01 02:49:03 <johnx> anyways, I haven't used debian in a chroot on maemo in months and I avoid oo.org even on my desktop
Jun 01 02:49:08 <johnx> seriously, try abiword :P
Jun 01 02:49:26 <summatusmentis> is it running? I thought it wasn't quite there yet
Jun 01 02:49:34 <KotCzarny> or LaTeX
Jun 01 02:49:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 01 02:50:19 <johnx> in debian chroot? I would imagine so
Jun 01 02:50:33 <summatusmentis> I'm looking for functionality, I don't want to have to learn something new KotCzarny
Jun 01 02:50:44 <summatusmentis> I guess that's fair
Jun 01 02:51:03 <summatusmentis> my shitty dls connetion makes it hard to try all these things
Jun 01 02:51:13 <summatusmentis> dsl*
Jun 01 02:52:20 <KotCzarny> but it's only new if you are spoiled by ms word
Jun 01 02:52:21 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:52:27 <KotCzarny> and similiar
Jun 01 02:52:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:53:29 <summatusmentis> the first time I used a computer was window s 3.1
Jun 01 02:53:40 <summatusmentis> I can teach myself stuff, but it takes time
Jun 01 02:54:05 <KotCzarny> yeah
Jun 01 02:54:35 <summatusmentis> time I'm teaching myself kernel hacking in
Jun 01 02:54:58 <KotCzarny> well, you have to specialize in today's world..
Jun 01 02:55:12 <summatusmentis> and I'm on the line for Summer of Code :)
Jun 01 02:55:14 <KotCzarny> unless someone invents insta knowledge
Jun 01 02:55:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 01 02:55:41 <KotCzarny> well, books and internet are instaknowledge
Jun 01 02:55:49 <KotCzarny> but interface is still slow :)
Jun 01 02:56:19 * johnx doesn't specialize, does everything equally badly :D
Jun 01 02:56:28 <johnx> off to work guys, later :P
Jun 01 02:56:37 <summatusmentis> peace johnx
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