**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 01 02:59:56 2008
Jun 01 03:29:19 <jga23> what does canola use as its media player backend?
Jun 01 03:29:51 <GAN8001> gstreamer and mplayer
Jun 01 03:33:25 * rm_you pokes X-Fade again
Jun 01 03:34:16 <rm_you> mmm
Jun 01 03:34:23 <rm_you> working on a Summer of Code project team would be fun
Jun 01 03:37:28 <summatusmentis> rm_you: you're basically working with one other person
Jun 01 03:37:36 <summatusmentis> it would be fun, if I had more background in kernel stuff
Jun 01 03:37:46 <summatusmentis> I get the feeling my mentor is getting fed up teaching a noob
Jun 01 03:41:31 <GAN8001> Poor summatusmentis.
Jun 01 03:41:39 <GAN8001> rm_you, he logged in earlier
Jun 01 03:41:46 <GAN8001> Never responded, though.
Jun 01 03:41:54 <rm_you> bah
Jun 01 03:42:04 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: don't get me wrong, it's a sweet gig, I'm enjoying it
Jun 01 03:42:24 <GAN8001> I'm just poking fun. :P
Jun 01 03:42:36 <summatusmentis> :) fair enough
Jun 01 03:46:51 * Cymor is away: afk
Jun 01 04:17:39 <summatusmentis> alright, with any luck, abiword will install with no issues
Jun 01 04:21:24 <Navi> Luck sucks
Jun 01 04:22:35 <summatusmentis> someone's not bitter :)
Jun 01 04:26:11 <Rhoruns> does anyone know what the n810 bluetooth device name is?
Jun 01 04:26:22 <Rhoruns> is it supposed to be rfcomm?
Jun 01 04:28:41 <Navi> Rhoruns, you can set it yourself in the control panel
Jun 01 04:28:47 <Navi> the default name is "Nokia N800"
Jun 01 04:29:18 <Rhoruns> so...
Jun 01 04:29:25 <Rhoruns> /dev/Nokia 810   ?
Jun 01 04:30:24 <Rhoruns> when i use a bluetooth program, it says /dev/rfcomm0 doesnt exist, but i can change it with an argument.
Jun 01 04:30:32 <lopz> night
Jun 01 04:30:37 <Rhoruns> bye lopz.
Jun 01 04:32:04 <Rhoruns> nope.. /dev/Nokia 810 doesnt exist
Jun 01 04:54:06 <rm_you> Rhoruns: Navi was thinking of something else
Jun 01 04:54:14 <rm_you> Rhoruns: it
Jun 01 04:54:15 <Rhoruns> ohh ok
Jun 01 04:54:34 <Rhoruns> i figured that i need to use hci tool
Jun 01 04:54:47 <rm_you> Rhoruns: i don't know what it is, but what Navi was referring to is what the N810 shows up as to other devices when searching
Jun 01 04:55:00 <Rhoruns> yeah.. that's not what im talking about
Jun 01 04:55:06 <rm_you> right, got that now
Jun 01 04:56:36 <rcloud> yo rhoruns u got your bt hacker working?
Jun 01 04:56:54 <Rhoruns> well, im well on my way to get several tools working
Jun 01 04:56:57 <Rhoruns> found agreat tut
Jun 01 04:57:00 <Rhoruns> http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=8592
Jun 01 05:00:56 <rcloud> the nokia bt app gives the mac address btw
Jun 01 05:03:55 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: does flashing NOLO or return me to factory settings?
Jun 01 05:16:19 <rcloud> gah my pygtk app is hideous. but functionality over form right? lol
Jun 01 05:16:26 <rcloud> gah my pygtk app is hideous. but functionality over form right? lol
Jun 01 05:17:02 <rcloud> woops
Jun 01 05:17:42 <summatusmentis> :)
Jun 01 05:18:18 <GAN8001> No, summatusmentis.
Jun 01 05:18:22 <GAN8001> Settings are on rootfs
Jun 01 05:18:28 <GAN8001> NOLO is just the bootloader
Jun 01 05:18:55 <summatusmentis> hmm... for some reason stuff returned to factory type settings
Jun 01 05:19:09 <summatusmentis> everything was still installed, just not the way I had it configured
Jun 01 05:20:24 <summatusmentis> but my debian chroot works!
Jun 01 06:02:19 <summatusmentis> anyone have any experience with .desktop files? I can't get mine to execute what is in the Exec field
Jun 01 06:02:35 <RST38h> what is in the Exec field?
Jun 01 06:03:20 <RST38h> "Bush Aide: Bush Administration Not As Perfect As You Thought"
Jun 01 06:03:27 <RST38h> I thought that?
Jun 01 06:03:39 <doc|home> ok, who thought that? come on now, own up....
Jun 01 06:03:42 <doc|home> one of you did
Jun 01 06:03:44 <doc|home> who was it?
Jun 01 06:04:05 <summatusmentis> RST38h: Exec=sudo /root/debian hilda abiword
Jun 01 06:04:14 <RST38h> Urgh
Jun 01 06:04:18 <summatusmentis> where running sudo /root/debian hilda abiword works
Jun 01 06:04:37 <summatusmentis> the other option is debbie hilda abiword
Jun 01 06:04:42 <RST38h> make a run-abiword shell script and run it instead
Jun 01 06:04:45 <summatusmentis> which also works, from the command line
Jun 01 06:05:02 <RST38h> I hope you do not have the .service file for this?
Jun 01 06:05:38 <summatusmentis> the .service file?
Jun 01 06:05:55 <RST38h> ok, you do not have the service file.
Jun 01 06:05:56 <b0unc3> summatusmentis: maybe you have to take a look to the dbus system ...
Jun 01 06:06:11 <RST38h> just put that line into a script and run the script instead
Jun 01 06:06:47 <RST38h> forget the dbus system, as long as you do not have .service file it will not rise its ugly head
Jun 01 06:06:58 <summatusmentis> RST38h: still nothing
Jun 01 06:07:43 <summatusmentis> or rather, it's loading Notes(the .desktop file I started with)
Jun 01 06:08:01 <RST38h> it can't load Notes if you do not tell it
Jun 01 06:08:07 <summatusmentis> but it is
Jun 01 06:08:08 <RST38h> so something is wrong
Jun 01 06:08:26 <RST38h> could you please show your whole .desktop file?
Jun 01 06:09:48 <summatusmentis> [Desktop Entry]
Jun 01 06:09:49 <summatusmentis> Encoding=UTF-8
Jun 01 06:09:49 <summatusmentis> Name=Abiword
Jun 01 06:09:49 <summatusmentis> Exec=sudo /usr/bin/run_abiword
Jun 01 06:10:01 <RST38h> heh
Jun 01 06:10:20 <RST38h> you should put sudo into that script as well
Jun 01 06:10:33 <summatusmentis> yeah, it is, I missed that part
Jun 01 06:10:36 <RST38h> so that Exec= only contains one program name, no args
Jun 01 06:10:47 <summatusmentis> even removing it doesn't change anything
Jun 01 06:10:48 <RST38h> do you have any other lines in the desktop file?
Jun 01 06:10:53 <summatusmentis> no
Jun 01 06:11:39 <RST38h> AddAdd
Jun 01 06:11:40 <RST38h> Type=Application
Jun 01 06:11:50 <RST38h> X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable
Jun 01 06:12:01 <RST38h> X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true
Jun 01 06:14:14 <summatusmentis> that's at least doing something... not starting abiword, but doing something
Jun 01 06:14:29 <RST38h> doing what? =)
Jun 01 06:15:00 <summatusmentis> wait! I fixed i
Jun 01 06:15:01 <summatusmentis> it
Jun 01 06:15:20 <summatusmentis> instead of having the script, I put the orignial 'debbie abiword' back in
Jun 01 06:15:39 <RST38h> ok
Jun 01 06:15:47 <RST38h> no sudo?
Jun 01 06:16:45 <summatusmentis> no sudo
Jun 01 06:16:59 <summatusmentis> debbie is a script defined to run sudo ;)
Jun 01 06:17:02 <RST38h> btw, once you have media scanner disabled, is it possible to update media player library in some way?
Jun 01 06:17:05 <RST38h> summa: !
Jun 01 06:17:16 <summatusmentis> as per http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Running_Debian_in_a_chroot
Jun 01 06:18:31 <rcloud> hey dudes, i need to make an xml query in python. what module should i use?
Jun 01 06:19:23 <summatusmentis> RST38h: is there a place i can add something to my path so I can run chroot as user?
Jun 01 06:20:07 <RST38h> google python xpath? =)
Jun 01 06:20:27 <RST38h> summa: No idea - I rarely run stuff as a user
Jun 01 06:20:42 <RST38h> Most often ssh to the tablet and get root by default
Jun 01 06:20:55 <summatusmentis> actually, it doesn't matter, I need permission to chroot to /opt
Jun 01 06:21:02 <summatusmentis> you can ssh as user you know...
Jun 01 06:21:13 <rcloud> thanks rst
Jun 01 06:21:40 <rcloud> is xpath part of the base python 2.5 on maemo?
Jun 01 06:22:50 <summatusmentis> I was gonna whine about not being able to find my case, it's been on my bed this whole time
Jun 01 06:22:56 <summatusmentis> I'm going to bed now, sleep well all
Jun 01 06:23:18 <Rhoruns> hey rcloud, i i was able to steal my friend's entire phonebook, and dial a number lol
Jun 01 06:23:36 <rcloud> what tools u use?
Jun 01 06:23:48 <Rhoruns> bluesnarfer, and bluebugger
Jun 01 06:23:59 <rcloud> what is bluebugger?
Jun 01 06:24:06 <RST38h> summa: yes, but why? =)
Jun 01 08:28:46 <Italodance> again again again
Jun 01 08:29:08 <Italodance> shit wallet pouch
Jun 01 08:31:10 <rm_you> ?????
Jun 01 08:31:11 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 01 08:33:57 <Italodance> hi rm_you
Jun 01 08:34:17 <Italodance> the skin of n800 is very shit
Jun 01 08:38:03 <doc|home> Italodance: I like it. Protects screen, keeps dust off. If you want something solid then you can buy them third party.
Jun 01 08:38:33 <AStorm> the main pro of it is that it's thin, yet protective enough
Jun 01 08:38:55 <doc|home> yup
Jun 01 08:39:05 <doc|home> I put mine into the side pocket of my bag
Jun 01 08:39:38 <doc|home> a back pack, which coincidentally has a nice elastic strap inside it which I think was meant for holding a calculator or something and holds it perfectly in place :)
Jun 01 08:41:03 <AStorm> n8x0 is great as a calculator too (install FreeHP)
Jun 01 08:41:08 <doc|home> hehe
Jun 01 08:41:29 * doc|home rarely uses anything more complicated than is necessary with the installed calc :)
Jun 01 08:41:37 <doc|home> night all
Jun 01 08:47:02 <AStorm> doc|home: you don't need a calculator then, just a sheet of paper
Jun 01 09:00:13 <RST38h> Wait until I release SlideRule ;)
Jun 01 09:13:56 <AStorm> RST38h: nah, that won't be as convenient
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 01 09:27:33 2008
Jun 01 10:48:00 <EruditeHermit> qwerty12: hey, does the powervr driver work?
Jun 01 10:48:11 <qwerty12> EruditeHermit, nope
Jun 01 10:48:24 <qwerty12> It just powers it up and sets clocks
Jun 01 10:50:52 * qwerty12 really hates editing configure scripts but if it's gotta be done, it's gotta be done
Jun 01 10:51:47 <inz> qwerty, yeah, those buggers aren't really made for editing
Jun 01 10:53:08 <qwerty12> Yeah, I've messed up a script  many times doing that. It's a lot easier on me if there is autogen
Jun 01 10:53:10 * qwerty12 checks
Jun 01 10:54:52 <rm_you> ok, time to figure out this GTK prototyping stuff
Jun 01 10:55:55 <rm_you> anyone have any starting leads?
Jun 01 10:56:10 <rm_you> I tried googling for "GTK prototype" but nothing useful there :/
Jun 01 10:56:47 <rm_you> https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php/Rm_you#Emails_from_Timeless_concerning_GTK_stuff_with_applets:
Jun 01 11:24:16 <lcuk> is anyone alive?
Jun 01 11:26:33 <felipec> lcuk: not me
Jun 01 11:26:52 <lcuk> nokia maemo community: run by zombies ;)
Jun 01 11:27:08 <trickie> lcuk: hey
Jun 01 11:27:47 <lcuk> hey trickie and felipec
Jun 01 11:27:55 <lcuk> have i missed much
Jun 01 11:28:26 <trickie> lcuk: not sure, i was at linuxtag with you :)
Jun 01 11:28:40 <lcuk> whats your real name then
Jun 01 11:28:47 <trickie> lcuk: im the guy who went and had a cigarette with on friday
Jun 01 11:28:56 <trickie> im Nick
Jun 01 11:29:08 <trickie> the aussie, maybe that helps
Jun 01 11:29:31 <lcuk> yer it does :) did you get back ok then
Jun 01 11:29:45 <lcuk> and were nokia paying for your hotel
Jun 01 11:30:45 <trickie> yeah got back yesterday, prety smooth flight
Jun 01 11:30:51 <trickie> nah i did off my own bat
Jun 01 11:30:55 <trickie> stayed in a hostel
Jun 01 11:30:59 <trickie> wasn't too bad
Jun 01 11:31:04 <trickie> you have a good trip back?
Jun 01 11:31:35 <lcuk> yer, apart from checkout at the hotel - nokia decided to not pay for the hotel..
Jun 01 11:31:48 <rm_you> >_>
Jun 01 11:31:49 <lcuk> for any of us from what i can gather
Jun 01 11:33:54 <lcuk> trickie, did you stay till the end of saturday and go to the ubuntu party thing?
Jun 01 11:34:09 <trickie> lcuk: what!!!??? thats pretty nasty
Jun 01 11:34:24 <trickie> lcuk: nah, i left really early yesterday
Jun 01 11:34:33 <trickie> got a cheaper flight at that time
Jun 01 11:34:40 <lcuk> yer, gonna have to put an expenses thing in, dont think it will be a problem, but it was an unexpected prang on the cc
Jun 01 11:35:03 <trickie> ah ok, well hope they coff up
Jun 01 11:35:15 <trickie> yeah lucky you could, hope everyone has a CC
Jun 01 11:35:27 <lcuk> from what i know not everyone did
Jun 01 11:35:53 <trickie> bit of a downer at the end then
Jun 01 11:36:28 <lcuk> only tiny, the majority was great and im writing up the notes ive been taking ;)
Jun 01 11:37:08 <trickie> cool, that note taking stuff you showed is awesome man
Jun 01 11:37:19 <trickie> inspiring :)
Jun 01 11:37:31 <lcuk> yer, its proved invaluable, ive never had a diary before, but now ive got one
Jun 01 11:38:24 <trickie> well if you ever need a hand with unix-y stuff give me a yell, but you obviously got the rockin' programming skills downpat
Jun 01 11:38:35 <trickie> you gonna try and package it up? or still WIP?
Jun 01 11:39:14 <lcuk> ive got a feature list thats needed but i think the app can be moulded into a proper application very soon,  whats WIP?
Jun 01 11:40:55 <lcuk> yer,  unix skills.  im still very lacking so yer if i get into a bind i'll come shouting :) thanks
Jun 01 11:41:15 <trickie> WIP == work in progress
Jun 01 11:41:34 <trickie> i guess most things a WIP really...
Jun 01 11:42:26 <lcuk> yer it is, but i know the direction (i took notes), so its gonna end up as a one click instant notes rather than the stars and menuing thing it had - its faster than paper already
Jun 01 11:43:21 <trickie> awesome
Jun 01 11:43:22 <lcuk> the biggest problem i see at the moment is hildonization and packaging itself, but ill be speaking to people in the next few weeks about a direction
Jun 01 11:44:09 <trickie> have you ever looked at the elf/enlightenment stuff?
Jun 01 11:44:17 <trickie> s/elf/efl/
Jun 01 11:44:17 <infobot> trickie meant: have you ever looked at the efl/enlightenment stuff?
Jun 01 11:45:16 <lcuk> no, but because of the backend im using at the moment, ive been discovering that no library scratches my itch ;)
Jun 01 11:46:59 <trickie> so are you talking directly with X or something?
Jun 01 11:47:42 <lcuk> well currently its x11+xv library but i cant use the x drawing functions for anything cos they dont draw on on the XV memory surface
Jun 01 11:49:26 <trickie> hmmm interesting
Jun 01 11:51:36 <lcuk> on the way home though i remembered that xv->omapfb does a full bitplane memory format conversion, i think i can make it even quicker and smoother if i write directly in the correct format
Jun 01 11:52:29 <trickie> that pretty much goes straight over my head... but sounds cool :)
Jun 01 11:52:49 <lcuk> it just means that the already quick stuff could technically be quicker
Jun 01 11:58:40 <lcuk> right, my sore aching feet are in desperate need of new shoes, i best go before the shops close
Jun 01 12:00:17 <lcuk> was good fun at linuxtag, and was nice to meet you nick, catch you later
Jun 01 12:03:21 <rm_you> hrm, wonder where i would go for help with GTK stuff...
Jun 01 12:03:43 <trickie> lcuk: later
Jun 01 12:04:47 <trickie> rm_you: http://www.gtk.org/development.html ?
Jun 01 12:04:53 <rm_you> hrm
Jun 01 12:05:00 <rm_you> more like, i just need to ask someone a question
Jun 01 12:05:17 <rm_you> since i've spent prolly 40 hours scouring the net so far trying to figure this out
Jun 01 12:05:21 <rm_you> over a few months >_>
Jun 01 12:06:34 <trickie> the irc channels are listed on that page
Jun 01 12:06:41 <rm_you> ah
Jun 01 12:06:48 <trickie> i guess thats the authorative place to go
Jun 01 12:07:08 <rm_you> ah, i didn't scroll down enough
Jun 01 12:07:12 <trickie> :)
Jun 01 12:16:13 <RST38h> yawn
Jun 01 12:46:28 <rm_you> GAN800 / GAN8001 : you there?
Jun 01 13:08:44 <arif_endro> hello all
Jun 01 13:09:44 <rm_you> hey
Jun 01 13:15:44 <rm_you> wtf
Jun 01 13:15:48 <rm_you> this is just aggrivating
Jun 01 13:26:36 * rm_you screams
Jun 01 13:27:38 <lopz> hi
Jun 01 13:30:51 <rm_you> hi
Jun 01 13:30:53 <rm_you> >_<
Jun 01 13:40:13 <rm_you> WHAT THE FUCK
Jun 01 13:40:35 * rm_you is about to throw his n800 in front of a speeding vehicle
Jun 01 13:42:20 <AStorm> give it to me instead
Jun 01 14:01:05 <rm_you> a378wdh69vc6b 6034r7v89wa738c7b9awrtztfyctrfst9
Jun 01 14:02:52 <rm_you> why do I feel like I'm working AGAINST Nokia >_<
Jun 01 14:03:05 <rm_you> just trying to get a fucking icon to work
Jun 01 14:06:10 <Italodance> good evening guys :D
Jun 01 14:24:06 <Anunakin> good!
Jun 01 14:24:19 <briand> better!
Jun 01 14:24:27 <Anunakin> 11:30 here
Jun 01 14:24:29 <Anunakin> hehe
Jun 01 14:24:36 <briand> 10:24 here
Jun 01 14:43:33 <rm_you> to hell with this shit
Jun 01 14:43:35 <rm_you> i give up
Jun 01 14:43:40 * rm_you sleeps
Jun 01 14:43:45 <Anunakin> OK!
Jun 01 14:44:15 <Anunakin> Johnx, u here?
Jun 01 14:44:45 <rm_you> [ 09:01 ] * johnx sleeps
Jun 01 14:45:10 <rm_you> that was in PM :)
Jun 01 14:47:04 <Anunakin> hehe
Jun 01 14:47:36 <Anunakin> he lives on japan?
Jun 01 14:50:24 <rm_you> yes
Jun 01 14:52:26 <Anunakin> hum
Jun 01 14:52:47 <Anunakin> I got some sucess on right and middle clicks on debian...
Jun 01 14:53:10 <Anunakin> Just in time I go put it on wiki
Jun 01 15:01:43 <Italodance> 19:32 here
Jun 01 15:02:20 <Oniano_> has anybody managed to get a tcpserversink to work on an n810?
Jun 01 15:02:53 <Oniano_> i read that the tcp and udp plugins included with the n800 don't work
Jun 01 15:03:01 <Oniano_> i was wondering whether the same was true for the n810
Jun 01 15:03:17 <Oniano_> i've compiled the latest version of gstreamer from source in the scratchbox env
Jun 01 15:03:30 <Oniano_> but i don't want to install it on my n810 just yet
Jun 01 15:16:20 <RST38h> TEST
Jun 01 15:16:27 <rm_you> PASS
Jun 01 15:16:46 <rm_you> FAIL?
Jun 01 15:16:51 <Navi> Y/N
Jun 01 15:18:04 <RST38h> Yes is no and no is yes. Format your harddrive? [Y/n]
Jun 01 15:18:30 <Navi> n
Jun 01 15:19:30 <RST38h> Formatting your harddrive [10%]...
Jun 01 15:22:09 <summatusmentis> qwerty12_N800: what're the downsides of booting debian instead of maemo? powermanagement?
Jun 01 15:23:14 <qwerty12_N800> dunno, i don't use it to replace  maemo
Jun 01 15:25:08 <summatusmentis> right, I know that, you just seem to know everything about everything n8x0 related
Jun 01 15:25:49 <qwerty12_N800> heh, not much more than most :)
Jun 01 15:28:15 <summatusmentis> ok, then I'm a noob :)
Jun 01 15:48:02 * lcuk wonrders if he should stop calling himself a n00b
Jun 01 15:49:14 <summatusmentis> I'm a noob at this, I'm used to OE, and normal linux, I justt need to get used to the quirks of maemo a bit more
Jun 01 15:56:01 <summatusmentis> is there any way to get vim and cscope on maemo?
Jun 01 15:57:15 <lcuk> summatusmentis, i suppose you could try to build either, but for a quick (relative) highlighting source editor you could try installing pygtkeditor from extras
Jun 01 15:57:33 <lcuk> i use it whenever i am away from my desktop for editing my c code
Jun 01 15:58:20 <qwerty12_N800> vim's already built by mgedmin
Jun 01 16:00:50 <lcuk> heh :)
Jun 01 16:02:18 <summatusmentis> lcuk: oh, alright, I'll look at that
Jun 01 16:03:28 <summatusmentis> lcuk: are you sure that's what it's called?
Jun 01 16:04:02 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/pygtkeditor/
Jun 01 16:04:23 <summatusmentis> that's different than extras right?
Jun 01 16:04:35 <lcuk> hmmm i thought it was in there
Jun 01 16:04:42 <lcuk> my mistake if not
Jun 01 16:04:49 <summatusmentis> not seeing it, no worries, I'll get it from downloads
Jun 01 16:06:02 <summatusmentis> lcuk: so do you just sync your C code back and forth between you NIT?
Jun 01 16:06:36 <lcuk> after a big session yer, but i compile directly on the device - i was at linuxtag the last few days and was able to compile on the go
Jun 01 16:06:50 <summatusmentis> so it's C code for the device?
Jun 01 16:06:53 <lcuk> yer
Jun 01 16:07:04 <summatusmentis> I see.
Jun 01 16:07:06 <lcuk> gcc and autotools and whatever
Jun 01 16:07:29 <summatusmentis> sure... I'm not gonna be compiling anything, just reading through code
Jun 01 16:08:30 <lcuk> pygtkeditor is technically the editor used by its developer to code and test python on the go, but the gtkeditor part highlights multiple languages
Jun 01 16:08:45 <summatusmentis> reading through, documenting, re-implementing according to documentation :)
Jun 01 16:08:53 <summatusmentis> so it'll work with C?
Jun 01 16:09:18 <lcuk> well i use it for that yer, and the highlighting seems alright
Jun 01 16:09:28 <summatusmentis> alright, cool
Jun 01 16:14:19 <summatusmentis> it needs python-pygtksourceview whihc has a dependency it can't find, I'll deal w/ this for now
Jun 01 16:20:27 <GAN800> poor rm_you
Jun 01 16:20:40 <flo_lap> hi all
Jun 01 16:20:52 <lcuk> hi florian
Jun 01 16:21:54 <flo_lap> lcuk: hi... back home?
Jun 01 16:22:32 <lcuk> yer i am, are you still drunk in a corner :P
Jun 01 16:22:50 <lcuk> or did you get back ok as well
Jun 01 16:22:56 <gnuton> Hi there
Jun 01 16:23:22 <flo_lap> lcuk: nope, had to drive home last night... so I even missed the barbeque
Jun 01 16:24:06 <flo_lap> hi gnuton
Jun 01 16:24:14 <gnuton> hey flo_lap
Jun 01 16:24:29 <lcuk> well i flew out at 6pm so missed it anyway.  i had a really good time and enjoyed everything i saw - did it go as well for you?
Jun 01 16:34:28 <GAN800> lcuk you were spotted in keesj's Picassa album. :P
Jun 01 16:34:42 <flo_lap> lcuk: same here... only time was a little bit lacking. i was not able to attend much of the maemo track e.g.
Jun 01 16:35:10 <lcuk> GAN800, lemme see then
Jun 01 16:36:04 <GAN800> flo_lap, GPE slides looked pretty cool. I'd like to get some audio/video to go with all these cool slides. :P
Jun 01 16:36:15 <GAN800> Don't have the link handy
Jun 01 16:36:22 <GAN800> Get the logs.
Jun 01 16:36:32 <lcuk> flo_lap, the best part wasn't my part of the track (infact the fewest people seeing me screw up the better..) but who I met and what was discussed
Jun 01 16:36:39 <GAN800> 12-36 hours ago
Jun 01 16:44:25 <GAN800> lol . . . enabling the RSS applet completely destroy's the Application Menu's ability to open and close properly. . . .
Jun 01 16:44:26 <lcuk> opmg gan you're right
Jun 01 16:44:35 <GAN800> !!!!! ;p
Jun 01 16:44:45 <lcuk> i dont exist in real life though
Jun 01 16:45:13 <GAN800> Hehe. Send him an angry takedown letter. Must protect the secret identity!
Jun 01 16:45:32 <lcuk> nahhh
Jun 01 16:48:59 <lcuk> ok, do these video things go on youtube, or elsewhere?
Jun 01 16:51:30 <flo_lap> lcuk: right, I guess no talk can replace conversations with other people :)
Jun 01 16:51:51 <GAN800> Which videos?
Jun 01 16:52:14 <lcuk> i guess a picture is worth a thousand words..   gan the videos that i meant to present at ltag
Jun 01 16:52:25 <GAN800> oh, youtube.
Jun 01 16:53:12 <lcuk> wont the quality drop even more than they already are, and ive gotta make new ones anyway, the program ermmmm evolved while i was the - the devcentre was perfect for a quick 5 minutes of coding
Jun 01 16:53:23 <lcuk> *i was there
Jun 01 16:54:07 <keesj> don't present unless you want to remain in the dark .P google knows who you are now and you will soon be contacted by MS and the CIA (lcuk)
Jun 01 16:54:29 <lcuk> my wifi is eating the battery like a hungry hippo - its been on for about an hour and its nearly all gone
Jun 01 16:54:40 <GAN800> Well, you could just stick them up as the movie files if you have a host.
Jun 01 16:54:43 <lcuk> im ok with putting myself up keesj (hi by the way)
Jun 01 16:55:07 <keesj> i can remove the comments if you want
Jun 01 16:55:12 <keesj> hi
Jun 01 16:55:13 <lcuk> lol - google is my host at the moment, but i dont have a youtube account
Jun 01 16:55:18 <lcuk> not at all keesj
Jun 01 16:55:19 <GAN800> But n flash-video host really has great quality, and hosting on youtube at least gets you comments, views, exposure
Jun 01 16:55:37 <GAN800> Use Google Video, then.
Jun 01 16:55:48 <GAN800> Same thing, really. :p
Jun 01 16:56:18 <lcuk> nice - i didnt realise gv was totally linked to my normal account
Jun 01 16:56:40 <GAN800> Google == SkyNet
Jun 01 16:56:59 <GAN800> eht knos evarayting aboot joo.
Jun 01 16:57:20 <keesj> i did get the most frag point by dropping a beer on x-fade
Jun 01 16:57:50 <GAN800> X-Fade still hasn't reappeared.
Jun 01 16:57:52 <lcuk> heh - that was lucky the rest didnt get knocked over
Jun 01 16:58:01 <lcuk> hes still moist
Jun 01 16:58:15 <GAN800> We must've highlighte him about 500 times over the past 4 days
Jun 01 16:58:22 <lcuk> mind you, i had similar with red hot coffee on sat morning
Jun 01 16:58:42 <keesj> and i was near again :p
Jun 01 16:58:43 <RST38bis> "It was made for the disabled person looking for something a little different, why drive something that looks like a medical device when you can drive something lethal?"
Jun 01 16:59:01 <lcuk> hmmm keesj, are you a terminator robot ;)
Jun 01 17:00:16 <keesj> i am dangerous
Jun 01 17:01:02 <puffandstuff> hello
Jun 01 17:01:02 <manyoso> hi, is the maemo repo down?  i am trying to install maemo OS2008 SDK from the install script, but it fails everytime trying to "Running apt-get update on 'CHINOOK_ARMEL'"
Jun 01 17:01:12 <puffandstuff> how to install a new package with maemo please ?
Jun 01 17:01:30 <RST38h> puff: Application Installer ==> Menu ==> Install from file
Jun 01 17:01:41 <puffandstuff> RST38h, thaks
Jun 01 17:01:45 <lcuk> i dont think the repo is down, it looks like a problem with the website though
Jun 01 17:02:05 <lcuk> i was on the repo a little while ago and could get anything started
Jun 01 17:02:16 <manyoso> the install script is failing...
Jun 01 17:02:20 <manyoso> Running apt-get update on 'CHINOOK_ARMEL'.
Jun 01 17:02:20 <manyoso> Err http://repository.maemo.org chinook Release.gpg
Jun 01 17:02:20 <manyoso>   Connection failed [IP: 96.6.120.41 80]
Jun 01 17:02:24 <Jaffa> Evening, all
Jun 01 17:02:39 <manyoso> 96.6.120.41 is akamai... so i don't know
Jun 01 17:03:20 <GAN800> Hey, Jaffa.
Jun 01 17:03:41 <manyoso> ahh, hmm, "could be due to an error in network configuration inside scratchbox"
Jun 01 17:03:58 <lcuk> evening jaffa
Jun 01 17:04:32 <RST38h> KILL sb1, KILL
Jun 01 17:04:36 <GAN800> Repos not responding so far here.
Jun 01 17:04:39 <puffandstuff> qemu: Unsupported syscall: 264
Jun 01 17:04:50 <puffandstuff> i can run "install from file" :(
Jun 01 17:04:53 <RST38h> hehe, was it file-open dialog? =)
Jun 01 17:05:31 <puffandstuff> RST38h, yes
Jun 01 17:05:54 <puffandstuff> RST38h, Application -> install rom file
Jun 01 17:06:00 <RST38h> hehehehehe
Jun 01 17:06:15 * RST38h thought puff was using real device
Jun 01 17:06:31 <RST38h> With the emulator, you are out of luck
Jun 01 17:06:32 <GAN800> tablets-dev, too. :/
Jun 01 17:06:55 <puffandstuff> RST38h, what ?
Jun 01 17:07:15 <RST38h> puff: Forget about using QEmu. Use real device.
Jun 01 17:07:43 <puffandstuff> RST38h, any paper explaining this ? i've just installed sdk and all stuff and reading some papers
Jun 01 17:07:49 <GAN800> Or try hrw's emulator.
Jun 01 17:07:55 <puffandstuff> RST38h, how can i read real devices ?
Jun 01 17:08:00 <RST38h> puff: No paper. Just do not use it.
Jun 01 17:09:35 <GAN800> Reopened. https://bugs.maemo.org/process_bug.cgi
Jun 01 17:09:54 <puffandstuff> RST38h, how :) as i said i run Xephyr and  af-sb-init.sh start to run hildon
Jun 01 17:10:03 <GAN800> or this, rather. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3194
Jun 01 17:10:23 <puffandstuff> RST38h, i didnt use qemu directly
Jun 01 17:10:53 <RST38h> puff: If you are running armel apps on your pc, you are using qemu
Jun 01 17:11:08 <RST38h> puff: Qemu is broken.
Jun 01 17:11:08 <puffandstuff> RST38h, thanks
Jun 01 17:11:19 <RST38h> puff: You should run your armel apps on a real tablet
Jun 01 17:11:30 <puffandstuff> RST38h, ok
Jun 01 17:11:54 <RST38h> all right, I will go for an evening walk
Jun 01 17:13:13 <puffandstuff> RST38h, annother newbie question ... as i read this morning during install steps, i've armel + x86 images installed
Jun 01 17:13:25 <puffandstuff> RST38h, how can i run x86 rather then armel
Jun 01 17:15:25 <puffandstuff> i've used maemo-sdk-install_4.0.1.sh to isntall sdk
Jun 01 17:15:55 <puffandstuff> does it install x86 and armel targets or only armel ?
Jun 01 17:23:28 <GAN800> Wouldn't it be nice if apt timed out intelligently?
Jun 01 17:24:24 <GAN800> "Oh, I've tried this same host 4 times now and it STILL doesn't work. Maybe the fifth time's the charm?"
Jun 01 17:26:47 <lcuk> my device is dead :( at linuxtag, the battery lasted all day, but today its been on wifi for about 2 hours and its gone darker than an atom in a blackhole
Jun 01 17:27:08 <GAN800> Something eating the battery?
Jun 01 17:27:14 <lcuk> wifi
Jun 01 17:27:23 <lcuk> adhoc mode
Jun 01 17:27:31 <GAN800> Shitty non-powersaving router?
Jun 01 17:27:34 <GAN800> Oh
Jun 01 17:27:40 <GAN800> No wonder. :P
Jun 01 17:28:12 <GAN800> Seriously . . . this apt timeout is ridiculous.
Jun 01 17:28:26 <lcuk> well i havent got a wireless router, its just p2p from desktop to device.  unless i can setup the wifi on here to act like an ap im goosed
Jun 01 17:29:03 <GAN800> Just buy a damn router. :P
Jun 01 17:29:15 <GAN800> $50
Jun 01 17:29:58 <GAN800> I recommend a Buffalo WHR-G125 + tomato
Jun 01 17:30:11 <GAN800> You should be able to get them in the UK.
Jun 01 17:31:27 <Stskeeps> or get a fonera one and hack it
Jun 01 17:31:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Jun 01 17:32:53 <lcuk> what extra hardware does a router have that this dongle+my computer doesnt?
Jun 01 17:33:58 <Stskeeps> lcuk: you should look into your computer desktop having WMM/WMI enabled
Jun 01 17:34:01 <flo_lap> lcdd: An additional CPU :)
Jun 01 17:34:18 <Stskeeps> if it doesn't, your tablet will suck battery like a whore
Jun 01 17:34:36 <lcuk> it does..
Jun 01 17:34:50 <Stskeeps> mmk
Jun 01 17:34:55 <GAN800> lol . . . apt. repository.maemo.org goes down and it's got to timeout on every single entry for the same damn host. Which, at 300 seconds a piece for the default 5 repos is _25 minutes_.
Jun 01 17:34:58 <lcuk> and flo_lap, it manages quite well now handling wifi data from my tablet + laptop
Jun 01 17:35:01 * GAN800 files a bug.
Jun 01 17:35:24 <lcuk> Stskeeps, thanks ill take a look and see
Jun 01 17:35:38 <GAN800> Just get a real router. :P
Jun 01 17:36:49 <lcuk> gan, i will if i cant solve this now.  but as you know i dont like wasting things and ive got all the technical hardware i need to do this job
Jun 01 17:37:21 <t_s_o> or maybe just a access point, if one have everything else already. adding another router to a network, especially these home use ones that have just about everything turned on by default, can quickly turn a working network into a mess if one is inexperienced...
Jun 01 17:38:10 <GAN8001> t_s_o, routers are cheaper than APs
Jun 01 17:38:18 <GAN8001> Economies of scale or something. ;)
Jun 01 17:38:43 <GAN8001> Just plug it directly into a machine, flash it with a real firmware, turn off it's DHCP server THEN add it to the network.
Jun 01 17:39:35 <lcuk> meh, ill just stick the power in and not  bother
Jun 01 17:39:44 * lcuk will worry another time
Jun 01 17:40:22 <lcuk> it was nice to see how long it lasted in the last few days though :)
Jun 01 17:40:55 <GAN8001> We know what to blame your terrible battery life on, anyway.
Jun 01 17:40:58 <GAN8001> and it's not the tablet.
Jun 01 17:41:16 * lcuk blames battery life on GAN8001
Jun 01 17:41:24 <GAN8001> Fair enough. :P
Jun 01 17:41:55 <lcuk> you and a wok are pinging my adhoc network from across the pond
Jun 01 17:42:24 * GAN8001 launches another RF strike.
Jun 01 17:54:48 <GAN8001> Woo, bug! https://bugs.maemo.org/post_bug.cgi
Jun 01 17:54:56 <GAN8001> Ugh . . . again
Jun 01 17:54:57 <GAN8001> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3208
Jun 01 17:56:57 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, i'd  like a shorter timeout tbh. my apt already messes up taking too long
Jun 01 17:58:19 <GAN8001> I know the apt timeout can be set in a config file somewhere (though I don't know where or how), but it's a very bad impression to a new user having their device sit there doing nothing for 20 minutes.
Jun 01 17:59:21 <qwerty12_N800> Thanks, will search it up. True.
Jun 01 18:00:44 * Jaffa listens to qgil's talk (finally)
Jun 01 18:02:09 <GAN8001> Jaffa, it's fun.
Jun 01 18:02:49 <Navi> Noitisn't
Jun 01 18:03:01 <qwerty12_N800> I thought it was a good talk, lots of info.
Jun 01 18:03:23 <GAN8001> It was weird when he made that funny noise, though.
Jun 01 18:03:27 <GAN8001> It sounded like he was dying.
Jun 01 18:03:55 <GAN8001> "19:50 - 11: Ready? (my weird sound is due to slow drawing of the new slide) :)"
Jun 01 18:04:27 <GAN8001> I want to know who the Nokian with the funny accent who answered a couple questions during the QA was.
Jun 01 18:07:03 <Jaffa> One thing irritating about fremantle and harmattan is the secrecy surrounding them in terms of feature sets
Jun 01 18:07:22 <GAN8001> Yeah . . . that's irritating.
Jun 01 18:07:25 <GAN8001> Not even Apple is this bad.
Jun 01 18:07:59 <GAN8001> "More later this year"
Jun 01 18:08:05 <GAN8001> Hopefully that's not too far off.
Jun 01 18:08:47 * qwerty12_N800 hopes for leak again
Jun 01 18:08:59 <qwerty12_N800> if it runs on n8*0 :/
Jun 01 18:09:21 <GAN8001> It should
Jun 01 18:09:46 <GAN8001> I wish he had given a straight answer on that one
Jun 01 18:09:55 <GAN8001> but at least it's supposedly a "while"
Jun 01 18:10:31 <GAN8001> Since the WiMAX tablet should be supported for a while, and N810W support == N800 support.
Jun 01 18:11:57 <GAN8001> Nice post, Jaffa.
Jun 01 18:14:14 <Navi> Everyone knows Nokia only speaks in relative terms until a week before launch
Jun 01 18:15:49 <qwerty12_N800> Any Suomi person willing to bribe? :-D
Jun 01 18:16:46 <GAN8001> I'm still in favor of the Great Nokia Trout-Walloping Expedition of 2008.
Jun 01 18:34:45 <qwerty12_N800> Got a question, does /sys/power/op_active let  you change the op modes defined in board-n800-dvfs.c on the fly for that session?
Jun 01 18:37:40 <Jaffa> GAN8001: ta
Jun 01 18:42:45 <Jaffa> "This year is diablo". Pretty much confirms fremantle as OS 2009, and - probably - no new device until next year (or very late this one)
Jun 01 18:50:48 <GAN800> I like the bit and Wikipedia and Elephanta at the beginning. :D
Jun 01 18:58:50 <anders_gud> pupnik?
Jun 01 19:01:01 <anders_gud> anyone knows what c flags to use when optimizing for n8x0?
Jun 01 19:01:20 <lcuk> anders, i just use simple ummm lemme see..
Jun 01 19:02:26 <RST38h> anders: -O2
Jun 01 19:02:29 <lcuk> opt:   -O3   only, ive never bothered getting any deeper
Jun 01 19:02:34 <anders_gud> hmm, slow day here...
Jun 01 19:02:48 <lcuk> O2 actually crashed for me when i was testing
Jun 01 19:03:01 <RST38h> -O3 will also work, but isn't guaranteed to do better
Jun 01 19:03:05 <RST38h> lcuk: and O3 not?
Jun 01 19:03:37 <lcuk> no, O3 has been nice and stable, yer reading up after says o3 does everything o2 and then a bit more
Jun 01 19:04:09 <RST38h> lcuk: If I were you, I would carefully debug my code with O2 to see where it crashes
Jun 01 19:04:33 <RST38h> lcuk: 'cause this sounds like a memory corruption or something like that inside your code
Jun 01 19:04:35 <lcuk> it wasnt worth the hassle, i think in testing o2 worked recently, but 3 does extra so ive left it there
Jun 01 19:05:41 <lcuk> when i did first round of opts, i went from stable none opt code, then i was getting seg faults with o2, but without making code changes o3 worked.
Jun 01 19:06:09 <lcuk> about a month ago i was speaking to KotCzarny about it and o2 worked again so i dont know now
Jun 01 19:07:31 <anders_gud> ok I'll try to put -o3 into debian/rules see if it sticks...
Jun 01 19:07:54 <RST38h> -O not -o
Jun 01 19:08:33 <lcuk> O3 does inlining for functions supporting it, but obviously inline can increase size, it depends on how much of your code uses it
Jun 01 19:08:41 <anders_gud> pupnik made a fast build of mypaint some time ago
Jun 01 19:09:01 <lcuk> is it on his site
Jun 01 19:10:04 <Jaffa> Hmm, my comment on Quim's blog turned into another mini-essay
Jun 01 19:10:11 <Jaffa> http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/maemo-linuxtag-update/#comment-1223
Jun 01 19:11:04 <anders_gud> yes I know, but I got a patch from the author to try out
Jun 01 19:13:19 <keesj> Jaffa: if you are in the mood your input on http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/who-makes-the-maemo-community/  would ben valued :p
Jun 01 19:20:14 <ancechu> hello
Jun 01 19:20:25 <ancechu> I'm trying to compile
Jun 01 19:20:38 <ancechu> the latest version of granule
Jun 01 19:20:42 <ancechu> for my 770
Jun 01 19:20:57 <GAN8001> Another nice post, Jaffa. :P
Jun 01 19:21:03 <ancechu> but I don't know
Jun 01 19:21:10 <ancechu> how to dowload gtkmm
Jun 01 19:21:18 <ancechu> when I do
Jun 01 19:21:31 <ancechu> sb2  apt-get install libgtkmm2.0
Jun 01 19:21:33 <ancechu> I get
Jun 01 19:21:37 <ancechu> SB2: apt-get wrapper: Operation denied in this mode (maemo)
Jun 01 19:21:42 <ancechu> any ideas?
Jun 01 19:22:37 <ancechu> I'm using the SDK you can install following http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html
Jun 01 19:27:27 <[cliff]> hi all. does an app running in the maemo emulator have access to network resources?
Jun 01 19:28:59 <WorkingOnWise> is there any way to compile directly on the NIT? I have a few apps that I want to compile, smallish ones, but for the life ov me I cant get the VMware appliance to launch.
Jun 01 19:29:24 <qwerty12-N800> yes, look on itt
Jun 01 19:29:59 <qwerty12-N800> [cliff], no. no idea how apt and wget does it :/
Jun 01 19:31:04 <lcuk> WorkingOnWise, yes - i do it myself, be warned though, that at best its 10x slower and you may have memory and space restrictions (gcc+ autotools+dev libraries for everything you need must be installed)
Jun 01 19:31:23 <lcuk> and large projects may not compile at all due to actual device memory constraints
Jun 01 19:32:14 <keesj> and you might get in trouble getting -dev packages I guess
Jun 01 19:32:43 <lcuk> not at all, i have ummm extras-devel repo installed (the same one scratchbox itself used)
Jun 01 19:33:05 <qwerty12-N800> no, sdk doesn't use extras-devel
Jun 01 19:33:18 <qwerty12-N800> gronmayer lists it as chinook sdk
Jun 01 19:35:35 <lcuk> ok then, what do i use to list where i installed things from?
Jun 01 19:36:19 <qwerty12-N800> apt-cache and i forgot wtf was the rest officerthat cmd line :p
Jun 01 19:36:27 <lcuk> lol
Jun 01 19:36:52 <qwerty12-N800> "officer"? stupid input method >.<
Jun 01 19:36:55 <Cord> lcuk: apt-cache policy $package_name
Jun 01 19:37:42 <lcuk> ta
Jun 01 19:41:55 <lcuk> hmmm ok then, why have i got extras-devel ? ...
Jun 01 19:41:57 * lcuk ponders
Jun 01 19:42:38 <Cord> grep extras-devel /etc/apt/sources.list //etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
Jun 01 19:42:52 <qwerty12-N800> lcuk, meh, it's good to keep for non dev stuff
Jun 01 19:43:10 <lcuk> why, i only install dev libraries nowadays..
Jun 01 19:43:35 <lcuk> cord, i know its there, ive only got 3 repos enabled
Jun 01 19:43:55 <Cord> :-)
Jun 01 19:44:33 <lcuk> i think it was needed for the actual dev libraries and assumed gcc was from there as well, theres loads of packages ive needed and come from there
Jun 01 19:48:16 <keesj> apt-cache policy gcc
Jun 01 19:58:11 <[cliff]> i'm starting an app that connects to some webservices. my understanding is that the emulator doesn't have a working network connection out of the box. is there a way to enable it?
Jun 01 20:00:46 <RST38bis> cliff: Use real device.
Jun 01 20:00:49 <RST38bis> Do not use the emulator.
Jun 01 20:01:16 <RST38bis> (god, somebody should just remove any mention of that m@#$%^king emulator from the documentation)
Jun 01 20:01:17 <lcuk> sage advice :)
Jun 01 20:01:50 <RST38bis> This will save so much time to so many people
Jun 01 20:02:29 <[cliff]> RST38bis, you've got to be joking...
Jun 01 20:02:51 <qwerty12-N800> I think it's good advice.
Jun 01 20:02:57 * lcuk has used the emulator a grand total of 1 times
Jun 01 20:03:22 <lcuk> when i copied the exe to my device and found it didnt work i stopped seeing it as even being worth the diskspace
Jun 01 20:03:38 <[cliff]> crap :\ I guess my rant wasn't so out of place after all... thanks anyway guys
Jun 01 20:04:36 <lcuk> cliff :) if you have the device available use it over the emulator.
Jun 01 20:04:40 <RST38bis> In case you wonder, same goes for Symbian emulator included with the S60/UIQ SDKs
Jun 01 20:04:54 <[cliff]> I feel like I'm back in 2000, developing for nokia's communicator series.... hmmmmm I see a pattern here :-)
Jun 01 20:05:22 <RST38bis> There is no pattern other than the common sense notion of emulator not being the real thing
Jun 01 20:06:12 <RST38bis> Can't remember emulator helping development in *any* SDK, Nokia's or otherwise.
Jun 01 20:06:37 <lcuk> it ONLY helps if you are developing for an absent device
Jun 01 20:06:41 <[cliff]> RST38bis, not wanting to start a flame war, the pattern I see is that Nokia never, ever, manages to create good SDKs. contrast maemo with android and you'll get it
Jun 01 20:08:35 <RST38bis> All right, Nokia sucks
Jun 01 20:08:39 <RST38bis> Go Android!
Jun 01 20:10:25 <qwerty12_N800> If I want to program in Java, i'll download the SE jdk for my w810
Jun 01 20:10:38 <[cliff]> yeah... but unfortunately it isn't about that you know. it's about 3rd parties. where android got hundreds of applications (granted, they were only created because of the prize money), maemo mostly has the same old batch of apps (fyi I got one of the first 770 shipped to OSS devs). no evolution, which is kind of sad, the device totally rocks, but no 3rd party ecosystem
Jun 01 20:16:16 <[cliff]> oh yeah, turns out the emulator indeed has network access. it's just a matter of changing /etc/resolv.conf. had to compile osso-xterm for x86 to get there, but finally figure out what was wrong. cheer-io-s guys, and thanks again
Jun 01 20:16:26 <GAN800> Android hasn't shipped aanything at this point. ;)
Jun 01 20:17:14 <gimmal> anyone know if there's a tool for making a dpkg/apt mirror out of a set of standard debian CDs?
Jun 01 20:17:19 <RST38bis> GAN: I don't think it was the point of his rant =)
Jun 01 20:17:33 <RST38bis> But at least, we have not heard about iPhone SDK *again*
Jun 01 20:17:37 <lcuk> also, android gets the pick of the devs from every compatible corner of the market - i believe it will also work? on n8x0?
Jun 01 20:17:38 * gimmal is really not up for the task of hacking that one together, or rather, figuring out how to
Jun 01 20:18:10 <RST38bis> Android is a Java-only affair with a non-standard JVM
Jun 01 20:18:24 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, it has been ran on 810
Jun 01 20:18:32 <lcuk> but - technically - cant this device do java natively? we have jazel?
Jun 01 20:18:42 <qwerty12_N800> cant do shit with it on n800 :@
Jun 01 20:18:54 <RST38bis> I am pretty sure that as soon as they make native code compilation official, Android SDK will hit the same problems as Maemo SDK
Jun 01 20:19:16 <lcuk> native emulation of multiple platforms
Jun 01 20:19:22 <RST38bis> i.e. kernel calls not supported by Qemu, etc
Jun 01 20:19:37 <RST38bis> Android assumes ARM platform.
Jun 01 20:19:59 <lopz> hi
Jun 01 20:20:27 <RST38bis> lcuk: We do have jazelle and yes, it can be used, but the real question is why you would need java outside of playing j2me games
Jun 01 20:20:28 <thopiekar_N800> hi
Jun 01 20:20:41 <lcuk> ticks in the right boxes
Jun 01 20:21:00 <lcuk> its *another* tool we could use to boost ourselves
Jun 01 20:23:16 <lcuk> mmmmm 2.5mb of sketches
Jun 01 20:26:10 <gimmal> agh, wrong channel that was...
Jun 01 20:28:03 * qwerty12_N800 has to recompile my routers firmware sometime so I can disable the 
Jun 01 20:28:13 <qwerty12_N800> lights on it
Jun 01 20:28:42 <Stskeeps> gf complaining, eh? :P
Jun 01 20:28:46 <Stskeeps> mine did, atleast
Jun 01 20:29:10 <RST38bis> lcuk: boost outselves where? how many useful java applications have you seen?
Jun 01 20:29:13 <lcuk> i had to disable the throbbing light on my 810 because in the middle of the night i would think aliens had come
Jun 01 20:29:25 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, hehe,  in this case, the parents
Jun 01 20:29:34 * RST38bis keeps aliens enabled, just to see them come every night
Jun 01 20:29:39 * Cymor is back (gone 16:42:44)
Jun 01 20:29:56 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, why? there's nothing worth taking in manchester  :p
Jun 01 20:31:36 <lcuk> oi!
Jun 01 20:32:43 <GAN800> My Wii is like that, lcuk
Jun 01 20:32:56 <GAN800> Giant light on the drive slot that pulses.
Jun 01 20:33:34 <GAN800> Nintendo always sends system updates at 4 in the morning, and it lights up for that.
Jun 01 20:33:55 <qwerty12_N800> thats freaky :/
Jun 01 20:34:20 <lcuk> cant u just - you know - turn the wii off at night?  or doesnt that matter
Jun 01 20:34:38 <GAN800> You can, and I have.
Jun 01 20:34:45 <lcuk> i never noticed ours because its not wifi enabled
Jun 01 20:34:56 <GAN800> But they came so infrequently that I forgot to do it for a while.
Jun 01 20:35:22 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, please get a router (even manchester has them)
Jun 01 20:35:27 <qwerty12_N800> :p
Jun 01 20:37:06 <GAN8001> For serious
Jun 01 20:40:06 <lcuk> no, why do i need wii updating
Jun 01 20:40:13 <Jaffa> Bug fixes?
Jun 01 20:40:20 <lcuk> i get updates when i buy games
Jun 01 20:40:34 <lcuk> they are included on the dvd
Jun 01 20:40:39 <Jaffa> Hmm, qgil's reply to my comment on his blog is interesting. Can't quite decide what I think about it this last on a Sunday evening.
Jun 01 20:40:45 <Jaffa> lcuk: really? that's quite cool
Jun 01 20:41:33 <qwerty12_N800> my psp does that. cannot say i've noticed much thanks to m33...
Jun 01 20:41:43 <lcuk> i have exactly 1 use for wireless and its just another whole device to configure and manage when i have the hardware to do it right now.
Jun 01 20:41:53 <GAN8001> lcuk, only some of them.
Jun 01 20:41:58 <lcuk> AND?
Jun 01 20:42:13 <lcuk> its a games console, it does not need to throb at 4am
Jun 01 20:43:18 <lcuk> gan, do you actually leave it switched on, or does this occur when its off?
Jun 01 20:44:51 <GAN8001> It idles on wifi
Jun 01 20:44:55 <GAN8001> Intentionally.
Jun 01 20:45:03 <GAN8001> You can turn the Connect24 off
Jun 01 20:45:06 <GAN8001> and the message indicator
Jun 01 20:45:37 <lcuk> so when you push the off button it doesnt go dark?
Jun 01 20:46:04 <GAN8001> It does
Jun 01 20:46:17 <GAN8001> Just the the status LED is amber instead of red
Jun 01 20:48:57 <GAN8001> Jaffa, let's see what comes out of it.
Jun 01 20:49:02 <GAN8001> Lot of talk at the moment
Jun 01 20:49:07 <GAN8001> we'll see if the beef ever comes.
Jun 01 20:49:13 <Jaffa> Indeed.
Jun 01 20:49:26 <Navi> mmm, beef
Jun 01 20:50:24 <Tama^2> 0xdeafbeef?
Jun 01 20:50:26 <qwerty12_N800> where? nothing like a good punch
Jun 01 20:52:17 <Navi> Tama^2, so, what j00 been up to?
Jun 01 20:52:56 <Tama^2> the usual, work and I am almost done with uni: 3 months to go
Jun 01 20:53:39 <Navi> woo
Jun 01 20:54:06 <Tama^2> then I may move from here in a while
Jun 01 20:54:10 <Tama^2> dunno where to
Jun 01 20:56:23 <anders_gud> new MyPaint package up!
Jun 01 20:56:42 <qwerty12_N800> cool
Jun 01 20:56:49 <Navi> woo
Jun 01 20:56:55 <Navi> what's new?
Jun 01 20:57:20 <qwerty12_N800> the compile date?
Jun 01 20:57:20 <anders_gud> fix for "ghost lines"
Jun 01 20:57:29 <Navi> awsum
Jun 01 20:57:36 <anders_gud> from the author
Jun 01 20:57:36 <Navi> qwerty12_N800, :P
Jun 01 20:57:48 <qwerty12_N800> heh
Jun 01 20:57:56 <anders_gud> and built w -O3
Jun 01 20:58:30 <anders_gud> night!
Jun 01 20:58:41 <Navi> night
Jun 01 20:58:50 <qwerty12_N800> night,  i need to go too :/
Jun 01 21:05:09 <Tama^2> Boo!
Jun 01 21:05:30 <Saviq> damn you scared the glasses off of me
Jun 01 21:06:22 <Tama^2> apologies :P
Jun 01 21:09:59 <gnuton> Hi there
Jun 01 21:19:27 <hrw|gone> ~curse maemo kernel config for CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST=y
Jun 01 21:19:27 <infobot> May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, maemo kernel config for CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST=y !
Jun 01 21:19:37 <hrw|gone> it rejects my usb hubs :(
Jun 01 21:19:44 <hrw|gone> bye
Jun 01 21:21:24 <RST38bis> KILL KILL
Jun 01 21:44:44 <kkrusty> is anyone looking for any help with a maemo project?
Jun 01 21:49:23 <darren_> Does anyone know anything about where OS2008 stores the networking information e.g. nameservers etc when it makes a connection through WLAN?
Jun 01 21:53:57 <gnuton> darren_: in /etc?
Jun 01 21:54:34 <darren_> well the file /etc/resolv.conf is empty
Jun 01 21:54:50 <darren_> and there does not seem to be any other variatins of /etc/resolv.conf
Jun 01 21:54:59 <GAN800> gconf, probably.
Jun 01 22:24:00 <darren_> fun I get to learn how to use gconf
Jun 01 22:45:09 <Tama^2> jeez thet quit message almost qualifies as spam
Jun 01 22:45:13 <Tama^2> >.<
Jun 01 22:45:42 <glass> at least it's not in color
Jun 01 23:01:20 <summatusmentis> what do people use for IDE's in maemo?
Jun 01 23:06:02 <Navi> Nothin'
Jun 01 23:06:07 <Navi> plain vim for me
Jun 01 23:07:46 <Tama^2> I thought you created patches with cat and applied them to existing files (blindfolded and with one hand tied behind your back)
Jun 01 23:08:14 <Navi> Lol
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Jun 01 23:13:26 <Johnny5> s/Copy/I thought you copied/
Jun 01 23:13:26 <infobot> Johnny5 meant: Bah.  I thought you copied the files to a good old fashioned 8" floppy disk, and rewrote the files with a small magnet clamped to a metal-barrel pen?
Jun 01 23:13:37 <Johnny5> ...
Jun 01 23:13:41 <Johnny5> Nice bot.
Jun 01 23:18:06 <summatusmentis> plain vim makes reading through an ~4k line source file hardish
Jun 01 23:37:21 <Anunakin> Johnx: You here?
Jun 01 23:41:59 <Anunakin> I just... compiled and tested keylaunch ... and using it to emulate mouse right and left clicks ... on maemo ... I think this must works on Debian too...
Jun 01 23:42:29 <Anunakin> I tested under KDE on maemo... :-)
Jun 01 23:47:46 <summatusmentis> hmm... is there a way to have an app from the debian chroot interact with maemo as though it's a maemo app? A file manager for instance
Jun 01 23:50:41 <GAN800> You mean the open/close dialog or filetype handling?
Jun 01 23:50:54 <GAN800> open/save
Jun 01 23:51:33 <summatusmentis> like... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one
Jun 01 23:53:02 <Anunakin> I just building packages
Jun 01 23:58:07 <summatusmentis> s/bian/debian/
Jun 01 23:58:08 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: like... thundar, working on the maemo /, instead of the debian one
Jun 01 23:58:26 <summatusmentis> s/thundar/thunar/
Jun 01 23:58:28 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: like... thunar, working on the maemo /, instead of the bian one
Jun 01 23:58:49 <summatusmentis> no, stupid bot, that's not what I meant
Jun 02 00:02:48 <briand> uh uh uh
Jun 02 00:02:51 <manyoso> when logged into scratchbox sdk... how do i compile sources that are on my regular source machine??
Jun 02 00:02:53 <briand> s/u/du/g
Jun 02 00:02:53 <infobot> briand meant: duh duh duh
Jun 02 00:03:12 <manyoso> or how do i even copy those sources so they are visible inside a scratchbox term?
Jun 02 00:03:33 <briand> copy them to the scratchbox pseudo-home directory?
Jun 02 00:04:49 <manyoso> briand: where is this?
Jun 02 00:05:47 <manyoso>  /scratchbox/users/USER/home/USER or so?
Jun 02 00:09:45 <manyoso> ok, so i can move sources to the scratchbox environment like that... but can i shares sources from the host computer with the scratchbox environment?
Jun 02 00:10:28 <briand> well, they'd have to be able to be found within the scratchbox...
Jun 02 00:10:42 <briand> meaning, it won't find anything outside the scratchbox "root"
Jun 02 00:11:50 <manyoso> right, so is there some way of setting up a shared folder or something?
Jun 02 00:12:04 <manyoso> so that they can be seen inside of the scratchbox root?
Jun 02 00:12:09 <manyoso> i hate copying sources over
Jun 02 00:13:08 <briand> i haven't tried it...  but i doubt a link (ln -s) would work, as the link would be interpreted by the scratchbox, which couldn't find any files outside of the scratchbox root, either...
Jun 02 00:13:20 <manyoso> no symbolic links don't work
Jun 02 00:16:44 <briand> well, you *could* put the physical source files within the scratchbox environment, and use symbolic links to their other "location" outside of the scratchbox for the host box to access...
Jun 02 00:17:14 <briand> that would prevent the copying of files... but isn't necessarily intuitive or convenient, as a development environment...
Jun 02 00:17:22 <manyoso> right
Jun 02 00:17:50 <Johnny5> You could also probably do a hard link
Jun 02 00:17:55 <manyoso> vmware has a nice way of sharing folders with host computer... so sources can be shared
Jun 02 00:18:11 <manyoso> hmm... maybe a hard link
Jun 02 00:19:49 <manyoso> oh wait
Jun 02 00:20:22 <manyoso> hard links can't link to a directory so that is not a solution
Jun 02 00:21:40 <summatusmentis> manyoso: only if you've got vmware tools installed
Jun 02 00:22:02 <manyoso> summatusmentis: sure, but htat is no hindrance
Jun 02 00:22:13 <manyoso> man, this is tough
Jun 02 00:22:25 <manyoso> you can't share sources it seems
Jun 02 00:22:38 <manyoso> that is going to make for a really inconvenient dev environment
Jun 02 00:22:53 <summatusmentis> manyoso: no hindrance, unless you're on some debian thing, that hates vmware-tools :)
Jun 02 00:23:12 <manyoso> summatusmentis: i'm using debian and it works...
Jun 02 00:23:25 <summatusmentis> really? it might just be 64bit
Jun 02 00:24:18 <manyoso> dunno
Jun 02 00:26:58 <Johnny5> How about writing a quick bash script to copy the stuff to the sandbox, and making a button in your IDE to launch that script?
Jun 02 01:11:08 <WorkingOnWise> is there a way to globally make all aps open in full screen?
Jun 02 02:10:56 <unixSnob> I've been going to xterm and unmounting mmc cards before removing them.. because I'm not sure if some write caching could be behind and cause corruption
Jun 02 02:12:01 <GAN800> It bitches at you if it's working.
Jun 02 02:12:44 <unixSnob> that's good.. but I guess at that point, it's too late, right?
Jun 02 02:13:05 <GAN800> When the door is open.
Jun 02 02:13:15 <GAN800> Not when the card is removed
Jun 02 02:13:44 <unixSnob> ah, nice.. I didn't realize it could sense the door of the "removeable" card
Jun 02 02:13:57 <GAN800> it's got a magnet
Jun 02 02:14:11 <GAN800> always has for all cards on all tablets.
Jun 02 02:14:12 <unixSnob> cool.. that's the same as the internal card
Jun 02 02:14:37 <GAN800> Try starting a write and watching it bitch at you when you open the door
Jun 02 02:14:44 <GAN800> or watch dmesg
Jun 02 02:15:40 <unixSnob> makes good sense.. I thought the door on the removeable card was excessive
Jun 02 02:15:44 <unixSnob> (until now)
Jun 02 02:29:28 <ImMelody> have any of you tried out maemomyth?
Jun 02 02:30:24 <GAN800> ImMelody, you see the wifi applet source bug? :p
Jun 02 02:31:20 <ImMelody> huh?
Jun 02 02:31:38 <GAN800> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195
Jun 02 02:32:18 <ImMelody> oh! no I didn't!
Jun 02 02:32:58 <GAN800> Vote! :D
Jun 02 02:36:59 <ImMelody> Thanks so much!
Jun 02 02:37:57 <GAN800> Nothing's likely to come of it, but maybe we'll make some progress when we get moving on the open/closed table for the wiki.
Jun 02 02:50:13 <summatusmentis> GAN800: se, it's small things like teh magnetic door that make this so much better than my old Z
Jun 02 02:50:36 <Navi> Lies
Jun 02 02:52:33 <summatusmentis> no lies, trufs
Jun 02 02:52:43 <summatusmentis> n810 > C3200
Jun 02 02:53:06 <GAN800> No, 810 < 3200
Jun 02 02:53:22 <GAN800> Silly non-mathematician.
Jun 02 02:53:47 <summatusmentis> no, but see, n = 4, C=1/3
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