**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 02:59:57 2008
Jun 04 03:02:39 <summatusmentis> GAN8001: whe you ordered that screen protector, how long did it take to get to your house?
Jun 04 03:06:03 <GAN8001> 4 days?
Jun 04 03:06:06 <GAN8001> Don't remember
Jun 04 03:06:07 <GAN8001> Been a while
Jun 04 03:07:37 <summatusmentis> I ordered over a week ago, was charged, and then haven't heard anything
Jun 04 03:07:43 <summatusmentis> not even a confirmation email
Jun 04 03:20:33 <GAN8001> Call 'em, email 'em?
Jun 04 03:21:07 <summatusmentis> I sent then an email earlier this evening
Jun 04 03:21:15 <summatusmentis> but that's just bad service
Jun 04 03:21:21 <Navi> wewt
Jun 04 03:25:18 <GAN8001> Abnormal
Jun 04 03:25:31 <GAN8001> I've had a few orders with Boxwave and haven't had any toub
Jun 04 03:25:44 <Navi> Mine came in within a few days
Jun 04 03:25:54 <Navi> and I picked the cheapest shipping method
Jun 04 03:26:39 <summatusmentis> the only thing I can think of is maybe I typed the wrong email address, twice, like a typo, but I doubt it
Jun 04 04:02:45 <soman> Hi, where can i get libunwind for maemo platform
Jun 04 04:43:46 <lopz> night
Jun 04 04:45:37 <Italodance> morning
Jun 04 04:46:27 <soman> KotCzarny: is there any pppd application for maemo
Jun 04 04:58:56 <soman> hey ,, can anyone tell me how to put the N800 into usb host mode
Jun 04 05:00:06 <Navi> you can use usbcontrol
Jun 04 05:00:13 <Navi> soman, it's in the repos
Jun 04 05:01:02 <soman> Navi: do i need to recompile the kernel
Jun 04 05:01:10 <Navi> no
Jun 04 05:02:16 <soman> where can i find that usb control
Jun 04 05:02:28 <Navi> It's in the repo
Jun 04 05:04:09 <soman> ok.. if i install usbcontrol from maemo extras.. can it detect the devices
Jun 04 05:10:29 <GAN800> soman, USB control doesn't detect anything, it just switches host and client mode in software.
Jun 04 05:32:28 <soman> pupnik:  when i tried to compile wvstreams on scratchbox its giving me error.. how to get over this problem.. i think u had tried wvdial on N800..
Jun 04 06:34:51 <RST38h> yawn
Jun 04 06:35:09 <johnx> been there, done that
Jun 04 06:37:57 <RST38h> johnx
Jun 04 06:38:07 <johnx> yes
Jun 04 06:41:31 <opendeep> anyone know package_dir of setup() in python
Jun 04 06:43:37 <Mikho> aargh, wasted several hours trying to write a hildon statusbar plugin by following hello-world-app-0.8 instructions and hello-world-app-0.7 source code
Jun 04 06:43:57 <Mikho> it seems a lot of things have changed between 0.7 and 0.8
Jun 04 06:53:11 <RST38h> Mikho: there is a separate tutorial on plugins
Jun 04 06:53:15 <RST38h> Give me a moment...
Jun 04 06:54:02 <RST38h> Mikho: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html
Jun 04 06:54:04 <RST38h> Enjoy
Jun 04 06:55:15 <Mikho> yes, that's exactly the tutorial I was reading
Jun 04 06:55:36 <pygi> hey folks
Jun 04 06:55:42 <pygi> any way to make PAP available on N810?
Jun 04 06:55:43 <Mikho> and I didn't notice the example program v0.7 is totally different from 0.8
Jun 04 06:56:01 <Mikho> it seems apt-get install hello-world-app installs the 0.7
Jun 04 07:48:39 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jun 04 07:49:03 <trickie|work> morning
Jun 04 07:49:52 <johnx> now I'm officially going crazy. O_o sapwood works fine on debian armel on a qemu armv5tej and on an n800, but not on a zaurus pxa270 (armv5te)
Jun 04 07:50:14 <Navi> you are crazy
Jun 04 07:50:19 <johnx> it's all *exactly* the same binaries and libs
Jun 04 07:50:42 <Jaffa> GAN8001: belated pong
Jun 04 07:50:54 <Navi> I think he went bye bye
Jun 04 07:50:55 <johnx> at this point I can't think of anything different between the machines but cache size and kernel
Jun 04 07:52:09 <inz> johnx, and the pxa270 has 16bpp dolor depth?
Jun 04 07:52:49 <johnx> inz, I get the same error if I have it display on the n800's x server or xephyr
Jun 04 07:53:27 * Jaffa had a nice, formal, possibly over-engineered, bureaucratic, power-crazed brainstorm idea last night.
Jun 04 07:53:42 <Jaffa> Navi: he's a sleep-deprived lunatic, though - so I might get lucky :-)
Jun 04 07:55:32 <Navi> speaking of sleep deprivation, I should go to sleep
Jun 04 08:00:51 <johnx> if anyone wants to look at the strace output and bang their head against a wall, here it is: http://pastebin.com/m20dbf44e
Jun 04 08:01:26 <johnx> I will of course provide any other info I can if someone is interested
Jun 04 08:05:26 <AStorm> johnx: looks like an invalid instruction
Jun 04 08:05:52 <AStorm> wait
Jun 04 08:06:00 <AStorm> no, you killed it with ctrl+c?
Jun 04 08:06:11 <AStorm> it seems to have been waiting on something
Jun 04 08:06:50 <Italodance> ummm someone can help me with http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20603 now?
Jun 04 08:06:54 <Italodance> read my reply
Jun 04 08:09:23 <johnx> AStorm, it just sits there displaying a button until killed
Jun 04 08:09:31 <johnx> it's a demo from the sapwood source tarball
Jun 04 08:09:55 <AStorm> isn't that correct?
Jun 04 08:10:05 <AStorm> it can't load the pixmap for some reason
Jun 04 08:10:05 <johnx> right, that's correct
Jun 04 08:10:15 <johnx> what's not working is the display of the pixmap
Jun 04 08:10:30 <AStorm> I think the file is corrupted
Jun 04 08:10:50 <johnx> it's the same file on both systems
Jun 04 08:11:00 <johnx> same binaries/libs/files all the way down in fact
Jun 04 08:11:13 <johnx> they're both running debian sid/armel
Jun 04 08:11:34 <johnx> in fact, the copy on the n800 came *from* the zaurus
Jun 04 08:11:43 <AStorm> hmmhmm
Jun 04 08:13:11 <johnx> that "write: bad address" just seems really weird to me...
Jun 04 08:16:49 <johnx> it's driving me crazy cause this seems like the last big thing keeping me from getting maemo apps running nicely on a zaurus
Jun 04 08:17:09 <AStorm> it looks like it's some optimization option
Jun 04 08:28:28 <johnx> so you mean, maybe I should try a compile with -O0 ?
Jun 04 08:31:54 <hrw> morning
Jun 04 08:51:40 <Mikho> would somebody know if there are some instructions on how to launch programs to run in the status bar?
Jun 04 08:52:00 <AStorm> it's a system tray
Jun 04 08:52:05 <Mikho> I made a status bar plugin following the plugin tutorial, but
Jun 04 08:52:17 <cy3o3> j #asterisk
Jun 04 08:52:23 <cy3o3> sup
Jun 04 08:52:35 <Mikho> it didn't explain how to get the application running if it's not running already
Jun 04 08:52:52 <AStorm> what?
Jun 04 08:53:05 <AStorm> just execute it?
Jun 04 08:53:18 <AStorm> what are you trying to do?
Jun 04 08:53:23 <Mikho> the application is a .so library
Jun 04 08:54:00 <AStorm> then it's not an application
Jun 04 08:54:02 <Mikho> you can't just execute it
Jun 04 08:54:11 <AStorm> you made a panel plugin, not an application
Jun 04 08:54:18 <Mikho> ok, it's a plugin then
Jun 04 08:54:34 <Mikho> how do I load the plugin run-time?
Jun 04 08:54:36 <AStorm> then you enable it in control panel/panels
Jun 04 08:54:48 <AStorm> after putting it in some dir I forgot
Jun 04 08:57:50 <Mikho> I wouldn't like to involve the control panel
Jun 04 08:58:21 <Mikho> Id like to allow the user to close the plugin at will, and restart it again from the app manager
Jun 04 08:58:42 <AStorm> then it's not a plugin
Jun 04 08:58:43 <AStorm> but an application
Jun 04 08:58:59 <AStorm> write one, use tray as usual
Jun 04 08:59:39 <AStorm> or you can make an app call the plugin through e.g. dbus
Jun 04 08:59:42 <AStorm> and cause it to show icon
Jun 04 09:00:52 <Mikho> well, I was planning on adding an application which would just restart the plugin
Jun 04 09:01:11 <Mikho> ok, I'll try to call the plugin through dbus
Jun 04 09:03:12 <Mikho> has somebody seen instructions for that?
Jun 04 09:03:44 <AStorm> dunno
Jun 04 09:39:03 <florian> good morning
Jun 04 09:51:21 <Jaffa> lo florian
Jun 04 10:11:52 <mgedmin> interesting
Jun 04 10:11:55 <lardman> morning
Jun 04 10:12:02 <hrw> hi mgedmin  lardman
Jun 04 10:12:08 <mgedmin> there's a kernel patch that makes fn work on the apple bluetooth keyboard
Jun 04 10:12:14 <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/162083
Jun 04 10:13:54 <Mikho> could somebody explain what 'argument1', 'argument2' and 'argument3' mean in http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libosso/group__Statusbar.html And what is event_type?
Jun 04 10:16:29 <Mikho> if I send an event to my applet, how do I catch it?
Jun 04 10:18:08 <lardman> hi hrw
Jun 04 10:23:18 <lardman> I've released some sbc binaries (output is wrong) to encourage people to look at the code, perhaps ;)
Jun 04 10:24:50 <X-Fade_> lardman: So, you hear a nice 'static' hissing sound? :)
Jun 04 10:25:12 <lardman> X-Fade_: I've not tried listening yet actually, just looking at the hex dump :)
Jun 04 10:25:33 <kevinverma> anyone knows if there is a published Schedule for next upcoming ITOS ?
Jun 04 10:25:43 <kevinverma> i think one code named Diablo
Jun 04 10:25:57 <kulve> lardman: well, the hex dump is better any way as the D/A convertors are not that good ;)
Jun 04 10:25:59 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: When it is done. ;)
Jun 04 10:26:31 <kevinverma> X-Fade_, somewhere I can track the status and maybe get to have a qemu image to test look and feel ?
Jun 04 10:26:54 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: No, nothing has been released yet.
Jun 04 10:27:03 <kulve> kevinverma: this is not an open source project..
Jun 04 10:27:13 <kevinverma> I wonder why is making of ITOS so super secrets
Jun 04 10:27:27 <X-Fade_> There is a difference between ITOS and maemo, which people don't seem to get.
Jun 04 10:27:32 <kevinverma> its really not open-source ?
Jun 04 10:27:42 <kevinverma> or its has too many binary blobs ?
Jun 04 10:27:57 <kevinverma> or similar
Jun 04 10:28:03 <X-Fade_> Maemo is the platform. ITOS is the spin of it done by Nokia + branding + closed parts.
Jun 04 10:28:10 <kulve> X-Fade_: that's probably because the Maemo is very very tighly coupled with the ITOS
Jun 04 10:28:10 <kevinverma> ok
Jun 04 10:28:26 <jeroin> 10 points for X-Fade_
Jun 04 10:28:30 <kulve> Maemo is a platform that doesn't work without ITOS
Jun 04 10:28:39 <kevinverma> so maybe there is a Meamo (non-ITOS) spin  of Diablo ?
Jun 04 10:29:27 <kulve> kevinverma: nope
Jun 04 10:29:30 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: Well, just look at what is in the repository?
Jun 04 10:29:46 <X-Fade_> You can compile all parts that are open and even install them in your chinook based image.
Jun 04 10:30:18 <kevinverma> I thought maybe if I could get something to test check in a sandbox environment
Jun 04 10:30:41 <kulve> X-Fade_: but does one know which will be in diablo? Which version of a some library, e.g.?
Jun 04 10:31:05 <kevinverma> btw could Maemo be inspired by Fedora model or say OpenSuse for example ?
Jun 04 10:31:26 <kevinverma> i.e, develop the free spin first and enterprise it later ?/
Jun 04 10:32:09 <X-Fade_> All open parts can be found here: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/
Jun 04 10:32:59 <kulve> is those past diablo already?
Jun 04 10:33:00 <kevinverma> for example n770 hacker-edition is a great thing that ITOS I will say, but that is not much without binary-blobs even
Jun 04 10:33:02 <kulve> s,is,are,
Jun 04 10:33:06 <X-Fade_> As for which exact versions. I don't know exactly. You can see commit messages mentioning diablo or fremantle.
Jun 04 10:33:21 <X-Fade_> Long before fremantle was even announced ;)
Jun 04 10:34:00 <kulve> so you don't know which is coming to diablo and you thus cannot compile those versions..
Jun 04 10:34:24 <kevinverma> is Nokia helping on free-ing Maemo from binary blobs yet or even ensuring OGG kind of formats are preferred ones (even by Nokia ISV partners for ITOS)?
Jun 04 10:34:35 <X-Fade_> kulve: Well, they won't change that much. If you take everything from 3 months ago, you won't be off much?
Jun 04 10:34:55 <X-Fade_> Some minor versions perhaps, but everything should be compatible.
Jun 04 10:34:57 <patoh> should be gtk-2.12
Jun 04 10:35:01 <kulve> X-Fade_: guessing is not the way to go, sorry..
Jun 04 10:35:03 <patoh> _should_, don't take my word
Jun 04 10:35:27 <X-Fade_> kulve: I'm not a developer inside nokia. But there is a lot we can ourselves.
Jun 04 10:35:49 <X-Fade_> Being a deer in the headlights looking but doing nothing is not the way forward :)
Jun 04 10:36:01 <kulve> X-Fade_: there's also a lot that nokia could do, if they were interested helping in these kind of issues. But they clearly are not
Jun 04 10:36:33 <Jaffa> kevinverma: see
Jun 04 10:36:44 <X-Fade_> Well, they are. And this is something you should add to the wiki as plan for the future.
Jun 04 10:36:45 <Jaffa> s/see/see https://wiki.maemo.org/Increasing_transparency/
Jun 04 10:37:16 * kevinverma opening url
Jun 04 10:37:26 <kulve> maemo maintenance branches: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/maemo-branches/
Jun 04 10:37:29 <kulve> quite fresh
Jun 04 10:37:51 <kevinverma> Jaffa, "There is currently no text in this page,"
Jun 04 10:38:28 <X-Fade_> kulve: File a bug? Write to -developers?
Jun 04 10:38:29 <hrw> kevinverma: drop last /
Jun 04 10:38:32 <kevinverma> maybe you wanted to tell me a diff URL , i guess there is one for that topic i noticed soemtime back
Jun 04 10:38:36 <kevinverma> oh
Jun 04 10:39:49 <Jaffa> kevinverma: make sure you don't have the trailing slash
Jun 04 10:40:00 <kevinverma> Jaffa, i could open that url now
Jun 04 10:40:17 <kevinverma> Jaffa, tell me if Maemo wants to be more of Debian or Ubuntu ?
Jun 04 10:41:01 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: Read the wiki page for the 100days plan and the 2010 plan.
Jun 04 10:41:27 <X-Fade_> There is a lot of comments there about that.
Jun 04 10:41:51 <kulve> X-Fade_: those bugs are not reacted on, so I'm pretty sure I've my bugs reported for now..
Jun 04 10:42:07 <kulve> I seem to have a bad day today.. Lot's of complaining..
Jun 04 10:42:17 <X-Fade_> kulve: You haven't been around last month, have you?
Jun 04 10:42:20 <kevinverma> sure, i'll try to got through this, but if Maemo wants to be Ubuntu then, I have lot to doubt if they be of full free standards (in short)
Jun 04 10:42:30 <kevinverma> s/got/go
Jun 04 10:43:18 <X-Fade_> Also listen to Quims talk at LinuxTag.
Jun 04 10:44:26 <X-Fade_> http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/maemo-linuxtag-update/
Jun 04 10:44:32 <Jaffa> kevinverma: short (contradictory versions): Nokia wants maemo to be what the community makes it; Nokia want maemo to be whatever's best for their short-term bottom line.
Jun 04 10:45:20 <kevinverma> Jaffa, Is Nokia likely to make Maemo a true upstream of ITOS ?
Jun 04 10:45:56 <kevinverma> and help Maemo free from binary-blobs for that matter and recognize Free standards as first preference ?
Jun 04 10:46:42 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: Nokia's goal isn't to make a completely free distribution. But it also doesn't want to prevent people from making this.
Jun 04 10:46:52 <kevinverma> help advocate Free Standards as preference with its market partners too ?
Jun 04 10:47:02 <X-Fade_> So they are working on getting as much obsticals out of the way.
Jun 04 10:47:44 <kevinverma> So Nokia's goal is merely to make green notes should there be a "period" in the end to this assumption ?
Jun 04 10:48:27 <X-Fade_> kevinverma: Can you explain that question, I don't get what you are trying to ask.
Jun 04 10:48:31 <kevinverma> I mean to say Nokia's goal is not to promote FOSS , but only yo earn on it
Jun 04 10:48:43 <kevinverma> s/yo/to
Jun 04 10:49:07 <X-Fade_> No, please see Quim's statements on this in the talk and in the wiki.
Jun 04 10:49:35 <kevinverma> i better read that first as you all insist
Jun 04 10:49:35 <Jaffa> Nokia's goal is to release a Linux-based, comparatively open, consumer Internet Tablet, AIUI. But as X-Fade_ says, Quim Gil's clarified a lot of this recently.
Jun 04 10:55:37 <lcuk> Free as in playing exploding beer skittles
Jun 04 10:55:46 <hrw> hi lcuk
Jun 04 10:56:19 <lcuk> hi folks, im just popping in briefly (was checking mail at home)
Jun 04 10:57:28 * RST38h yawns
Jun 04 10:57:45 <RST38h> Gentlemen, you are missing the point in a typical western kid of way
Jun 04 10:57:48 <mgedmin> where can I find diablo's source packages?
Jun 04 10:57:48 <RST38h> s/kid/kind
Jun 04 10:57:50 <lcuk> i have a slight problem... i apparantly do not have autotools installed on my device (was sure i did), but when i apt-get i get an error about debianutils being wrong, has anyone managed to get autotools running on their device (debianutils cannot be removed with removing all the osso stuff)
Jun 04 10:57:52 <mgedmin> not found on repository.maemo.org
Jun 04 10:58:14 <RST38h> where one side blames the other for "not advancing open source movement" (sic)
Jun 04 10:58:32 <RST38h> while the other does not understand what this [small] bunch of geeks wants from it
Jun 04 10:58:46 <lcuk> hrw, clutter looks....interesting... to say the least, why havent we got it on maemo properly ;)
Jun 04 10:59:02 <RST38h> If both Nokia and you, punks, were Chinese, you would not have this problem at all
Jun 04 10:59:40 <RST38h> Both sides would understand that the goal is to make Nokia profit *while* advancing your petty open source movement in the process
Jun 04 10:59:52 <X-Fade_> People forget that most opensource development was done by individuals in the past whereas now most projects are mainly run by people employed by companies.
Jun 04 10:59:54 <hrw> lcuk: clutter require 3d hardware drivers
Jun 04 11:00:20 <lcuk> or lower resolution display to allow the software implimentation to do things in time
Jun 04 11:00:33 <mgedmin> another way of saying that is that OS developmen is and always was done by individuals, but previously they had to use their free time, and now they're getting paid for it ;-)
Jun 04 11:00:52 <RST38h> Getting paid for something implies a few things, you know
Jun 04 11:01:14 <RST38h> You have to do what you are paid for and you also have to abide by your legal commitments
Jun 04 11:01:26 <X-Fade_> mgedmin: yeah, but then you also don't need to complain that companies are planning the future of a project because of there interests..
Jun 04 11:01:26 <mgedmin> yes, the companies found that open source is useful for them
Jun 04 11:01:40 <X-Fade_> *their
Jun 04 11:01:45 <mgedmin> right
Jun 04 11:01:47 <mgedmin> I'm not complaining
Jun 04 11:01:53 <RST38h> Hasn't "open source" found that companies are useful for it? =0
Jun 04 11:01:58 <mgedmin> I think
Jun 04 11:02:12 <mgedmin> RST38h: both, probably
Jun 04 11:02:39 <X-Fade_> RST38h: Sure.
Jun 04 11:03:36 <hrw> RST38h: indeed
Jun 04 11:03:56 * hrw do not discuss too much about Nokia related things due to work
Jun 04 11:04:08 <lcuk> ill b back later on
Jun 04 11:05:07 <Veggen> hrw: Still, to be taken as a serious "open source"-player that attracts more people, it's importing to actually *let* people participate, and know what's going on in the project.
Jun 04 11:05:38 <Veggen> hrw: Imho, it looks like many people (not all) involved in the NITs hasn't understood that, yet.
Jun 04 11:05:46 <X-Fade_> Veggen: I don't think we disagree on that ;)
Jun 04 11:06:09 <Veggen> hrw: ANd part of that is giving the developers freedom to participate.
Jun 04 11:06:20 <Veggen> and discuss about their work in the open.
Jun 04 11:06:35 <X-Fade_> Veggen: This is actually one of the discussions that is going on in the wiki.
Jun 04 11:06:44 <hrw> Veggen: you do not have to tell it for me - I am one of people waiting for opening maemo components
Jun 04 11:07:02 <hrw> Veggen: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/10/the-curse-of-maemo-closed-source-components/
Jun 04 11:07:21 <X-Fade_> Veggen: I agree that the roadmap of the maemo plaform should be open. The roadmap of ITOS doesn't matter too much.
Jun 04 11:07:43 <hrw> Veggen: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/11/messing-with-keyboard-on-maemo-platform/
Jun 04 11:07:48 <hrw> etc..
Jun 04 11:07:51 <X-Fade_> ITOS should just be the 'bling' on top :)
Jun 04 11:09:26 <hrw> X-Fade_: and it is now
Jun 04 11:09:41 <hrw> X-Fade_: the problem is that maemo without itos is unusable due to lacking components
Jun 04 11:10:09 <X-Fade_> hrw: Well, apart from the hardware stuff, you already can?
Jun 04 11:10:46 <X-Fade_> hrw: And I'm sure there will be a solution for the hardware part one day.
Jun 04 11:11:03 <kulve> no point with platform that cannot be run on any hw
Jun 04 11:11:09 <hrw> X-Fade_: which hardware part?
Jun 04 11:11:21 <X-Fade_> hrw: Drivers etc..
Jun 04 11:11:28 <kulve> most of the drivers are open
Jun 04 11:12:03 <X-Fade_> kulve: Yeah but one of the problems is that you can't redistribute the blobs etc.
Jun 04 11:12:13 <kulve> why?
Jun 04 11:12:18 <hrw> license
Jun 04 11:12:26 <X-Fade_> So doing your own firmware image is not possible atm.
Jun 04 11:12:44 <X-Fade_> Well for yourself it is, but redistributing it is not possible.
Jun 04 11:13:08 <X-Fade_> Unless you write some extractor script that rips it out of the official image like some linux drivers do.
Jun 04 11:13:14 <hrw> I hope that nokia will put such blobs in initfs
Jun 04 11:13:41 <X-Fade_> hrw: They are looking into relicensing etc too.
Jun 04 11:14:02 <hrw> X-Fade_: umac.ko will rather stay like it is
Jun 04 11:14:17 <X-Fade_> It would be really cool to spin your own firmware.
Jun 04 11:14:32 <hrw> I hope that if there will be tablet not based on n800 hw then it will contain drivers + firmware blobs
Jun 04 11:15:18 <X-Fade_> in initfs you mean?
Jun 04 11:15:37 <X-Fade_> So you can replace your rootfs without problems?
Jun 04 11:15:41 <hrw> yes
Jun 04 11:16:13 <X-Fade_> I think you really need to request that one. I haven't seen anyone talk about that yet?
Jun 04 11:17:12 <hrw> X-Fade_: all current tablets use umac.ko which cannot be open so no sense in requesting it
Jun 04 11:18:10 <lardman> hrw: you're happy keeping initfs?
Jun 04 11:20:09 <hrw> lardman: I can boot directly into my rootfs on each tablet. If I can put licensed files on initfs (to not have them in my rootfs) I am happy to keep it
Jun 04 11:20:28 <hrw> lardman: so during boot I can mount initfs and take files from it
Jun 04 11:20:40 <lardman> hrw: fine; but wouldn't an extractor feel nicer?
Jun 04 11:20:58 <lardman> feel more open, etc. and from my point of view, less messy
Jun 04 11:21:12 <hrw> which extractor?
Jun 04 11:21:24 <X-Fade_> lardman: Binary blobs with good APIs are also an option.
Jun 04 11:21:45 <lardman> hrw: well yes, that's a stumbling point, but doable
Jun 04 11:22:04 <lardman> X-Fade_: that would be good, but there's still the problem of how to distribute them
Jun 04 11:22:08 <natok> maemo
Jun 04 11:22:24 <X-Fade_> lardman: Yeah, you would need to be able to redistribute them.
Jun 04 11:22:31 <natok> maemo
Jun 04 11:45:16 <lcuk> OMG! i dropped my 810
Jun 04 11:45:29 <johnx|zaurus> O_o
Jun 04 11:45:29 <lcuk> (it survived though..)
Jun 04 11:45:52 <johnx|zaurus> well that's good at least
Jun 04 11:46:22 <lcuk> yer, i stopped breathing for a time ..
Jun 04 11:47:17 <johnx|zaurus> handheld tech holds up really well these days
Jun 04 11:47:29 <lcuk> it had to happen sometime though, the keyboard kinda acted like a shock absorber, it all closed up on impact
Jun 04 11:48:28 <lcuk> my phones arent usually so lucky, they tend to smash apart into little fragments
Jun 04 11:49:13 <johnx|zaurus> mine always hold up well...but I ted to have lower end durable phones
Jun 04 11:50:25 <lcuk> i must be taller than you ;)
Jun 04 11:51:05 <johnx|zaurus> I doubt it actually
Jun 04 11:51:15 <johnx|zaurus> :P
Jun 04 11:52:06 <lcuk> fair enough, i know who to ask when the bulbs need changing and i dont wanna get the ladders
Jun 04 11:52:30 <johnx|zaurus> yeah, just pay my airfare :D
Jun 04 11:52:56 <lcuk> heh
Jun 04 11:53:54 * lcuk still doesnt know how to get autoconf and rest of autotools on device
Jun 04 11:55:44 <lcuk> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say".     theres no hope of me ever typing that in with the list of things removed.
Jun 04 11:56:18 <lcuk> (thats to update debianutils needed for autoconf)
Jun 04 11:57:41 <johnx|zaurus> if i were you I would either give up or just unpack the debs to /usr/local
Jun 04 11:57:48 <RST38h> lcuk: screw 'em
Jun 04 11:57:59 <RST38h> lcuk: You want a makefile that builds stuff without autoconf?
Jun 04 11:59:58 <lcuk> yer - if i cant find a solution ill just build the makefile etc in sb later on and copy over to device, its no real hardship, just wondering why i *couldnt* get them installed
Jun 04 12:01:05 <johnx|zaurus> they probably have lots of bashisms
Jun 04 12:01:36 <lcuk> its the version of debianutils thats the hangup, but i cant do anything about that cos it removes basically the whole device
Jun 04 12:01:47 <johnx|zaurus> :/
Jun 04 12:02:20 <johnx|zaurus> I wonder if there's a newer version in diablo...
Jun 04 12:02:21 <lcuk> there is a serious amount of packages which apt says it will remove, and the warning continue message scared me..
Jun 04 12:02:31 <johnx|zaurus> it should
Jun 04 12:02:44 <johnx|zaurus> apt doesn't make threats lightly
Jun 04 12:02:45 <lcuk> yer, made me think thrice
Jun 04 12:03:22 <mgedmin> lcuk: so is the version of debianutils different in SDK and on the device?
Jun 04 12:03:43 <mgedmin> or what's the problem, exactly?
Jun 04 12:03:47 <lcuk> im not sure, i never fired up sb last night to check i had other things on mind
Jun 04 12:04:32 <lcuk> im trying to install autoconf and it has a dep problem with debianutils.   i cant update debianutils without serious impact
Jun 04 12:04:44 <summatusmentis> johnx|zaurus: which Z are you on? C1l?
Jun 04 12:04:50 <summatusmentis> C1k**
Jun 04 12:05:04 <johnx|zaurus> yup
Jun 04 12:05:13 <johnx|zaurus> @work
Jun 04 12:05:34 <summatusmentis> doesn't the wifi card bother you?
Jun 04 12:06:06 <johnx|zaurus> i7m just typing on it like a laptop
Jun 04 12:06:39 <summatusmentis> oh wow... small fingers :-)
Jun 04 12:06:55 <lcuk> so, you're 7 foot tall with fingers like delicate nano threads :P
Jun 04 12:07:21 <johnx|zaurus> heh...totally not
Jun 04 12:07:40 <johnx|zaurus> I'm just dextrous :P
Jun 04 12:08:46 <johnx|zaurus> itbwould annoy the hell out of me if i had to type anything long, though
Jun 04 12:09:10 <hrw> akita keyboard is not that bad
Jun 04 12:09:21 <hrw> better to type on it then on n810 one
Jun 04 12:09:41 <eero> how one can send a bluetooth file transfer message from N8x0 to Phone?
Jun 04 12:09:47 <johnx|zaurus> and a nice layout for games, to
Jun 04 12:10:12 <hrw> eero: forget it
Jun 04 12:10:28 <hrw> eero: or use 'obexftp' from command line
Jun 04 12:10:51 <X-Fade_> hrw: Wasn't that integrated in the filemanager already?
Jun 04 12:11:05 <X-Fade_> I send files to my phone all the time.
Jun 04 12:11:30 <eero> x-fade: from file manager?
Jun 04 12:11:33 <hrw> ops - it is there
Jun 04 12:11:40 <X-Fade_> eero: Yes.
Jun 04 12:11:41 <eero> good to know :)
Jun 04 12:11:47 * hrw reverts last sentences
Jun 04 12:11:49 <eero> too simple solution
Jun 04 12:11:57 <X-Fade_> And even to upnp boxes in the network.
Jun 04 12:12:06 <johnx|zaurus> yeah, it's like cheating
Jun 04 12:13:16 <summatusmentis> hrw: I'll agree the Cxx00 series keyboards aren't bad, but if you're carrying it around, the wifi card in your palm constantly is annoying
Jun 04 12:13:20 <eero> Can I do it from shell?
Jun 04 12:13:34 <summatusmentis> I liked my C3200 keyboard a lot
Jun 04 12:13:53 <johnx|zaurus> summatusmentis, I've gotten used to it at this point
Jun 04 12:14:01 <lcuk> back after work :)
Jun 04 12:14:13 <johnx|zaurus> but, yeah, it would be nice if it wasn't there
Jun 04 12:14:16 <hrw> summatusmentis: keyboard is great, device size suxx
Jun 04 12:14:35 <summatusmentis> hrw: yeah, agreed.
Jun 04 12:14:55 <johnx|zaurus> and CF wireless sucks too much power
Jun 04 12:15:24 <summatusmentis> mine would constantly turn on in my pocket, and then die
Jun 04 12:16:18 <johnx|zaurus> really easy to hit that power button, but I still like the device overall...
Jun 04 12:16:29 * mgedmin needs to reboot
Jun 04 12:16:55 * johnx|zaurus grabs something to eat, loses wifi...
Jun 04 12:32:46 <herzi> do you know this problem:
Jun 04 12:32:46 <herzi> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Jun 04 12:32:46 <herzi> <...>
Jun 04 12:32:46 <herzi> dh_shlibdeps
Jun 04 12:32:46 <herzi> unable to get login information for username "herzi" at /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-debian/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 58.
Jun 04 12:32:48 <herzi> dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 6400
Jun 04 12:32:50 <herzi> make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1
Jun 04 12:33:35 <jumpula> sb-conf in -e
Jun 04 12:37:26 <herzi> jumpula: thanks a lot
Jun 04 12:37:57 <jumpula> np :)
Jun 04 13:00:48 <Anunakin> yes I has a C3000 and a C3100 .... the keyboard.. is very nice
Jun 04 13:01:04 <Anunakin> but the size... is not for a pocket
Jun 04 13:02:23 <cunik> hello everyone.. has anyone met "Header missing skipping one byte" mplayer trouble?
Jun 04 13:04:44 <hrw> cunik: file is broken
Jun 04 13:09:28 <cunik> hrw: seem to me like it does for every video file that works fine on computer.. let me double check this..
Jun 04 13:15:46 <hrhr> where I can find chinook sdk image for qemu?
Jun 04 13:17:05 <hrw> you mean whole system image with scratchbox etc?
Jun 04 13:17:49 <hrhr> yes
Jun 04 13:18:21 <hrhr> I've gentoo on my laptop and as I see installing scratchbox in to gento is not trivial
Jun 04 13:18:36 <hrw> there was one for vmware iirc - check maemo.org or garage
Jun 04 13:18:46 <hrhr> I've it
Jun 04 13:23:20 <hrhr> vmware image have problems with qemu. It have redused kernel
Jun 04 13:23:38 <hrhr> without some modules
Jun 04 13:23:54 <cunik> hrw: so it does... I tried it on video that work fine with mplayer on computer and it does the same error (header missing..)
Jun 04 13:24:54 <tank-man> isnt it just a script that installs scratchbox?
Jun 04 13:26:13 <cunik> hrw: I have already tried to remove and install it again (mplayer).. but without any change.. I have also tried to remove all config file.. no way..
Jun 04 13:27:18 <cunik> tank-man: yes, there is script, but I think its just for systems that stands on debian..
Jun 04 13:27:34 <tank-man> i used it on a slackware setup
Jun 04 13:27:39 <tank-man> no problems
Jun 04 13:49:20 <summatusmentis> will scratchbox not run under 64 bit systems?
Jun 04 13:49:23 <summatusmentis> :-/
Jun 04 13:49:39 <lardman> it will if you have 32bit libs too
Jun 04 13:49:44 <lardman> or at least it used to work for me
Jun 04 13:50:41 <lardman> I'm presuming the 32bit libs bit, but it certainly used to run, just the Nokia? installation script wasn't happy to play along
Jun 04 13:52:18 <lardman> lcuk: Got to do some VB work now ;)
Jun 04 13:52:27 <lardman> qwerty12: afternoon
Jun 04 13:52:39 <qwerty12> afternoon lardman
Jun 04 13:52:48 <lardman> qwerty12: You couldn't get the kernel to fit in the allocated space on an N800, it doesn't fit on an N810 either
Jun 04 13:53:07 <qwerty12> It's the initfs that doesn't fit.
Jun 04 13:53:14 <lardman> oh right
Jun 04 13:53:25 <lardman> I didn't pay it much attention, was heading for bed
Jun 04 13:53:27 <qwerty12> I mount it up on my computer and rip out the testserver and repack the initfs.
Jun 04 13:53:37 <lardman> ah, ok
Jun 04 13:53:45 <lardman> is much in the initfs different?
Jun 04 13:54:09 <qwerty12> In all honesty, no. Some more modules but it just contains more tools for the wimax stuff :/
Jun 04 13:54:28 <lardman> ah ok, no great loss for me then
Jun 04 13:54:45 <lardman> I saw you post something about not being able to get battery levels without a new kernel?
Jun 04 13:54:51 <huats> does any of you use sb2 to develop ? i don't know why but I have lots of pbs wih it
Jun 04 13:55:05 <lardman> huats: Is that the standard one? If so, yes
Jun 04 13:55:42 <qwerty12> lardman, jott told me that the new initfs has a newer bme, but the ftd wouldn't work with the chinook bme so I thought that using a diablo initfs with new bme would work.
Jun 04 13:55:49 <qwerty12> evidently not :/
Jun 04 13:55:50 <summatusmentis> lardman: oh... it might be the installation script? How do I install manually?
Jun 04 13:56:51 <lardman> summatusmentis: That I can't really remember, what system are you running?
Jun 04 13:56:56 <lardman> qwerty12: ah, I see
Jun 04 13:57:11 <huats> lardman: not sure if it is the one
Jun 04 13:57:12 <huats> ...
Jun 04 13:57:24 <qwerty12> Initfs version 2008-22 came out y/day. I need to update my 2008-21 to it :/
Jun 04 13:57:25 <huats> that depends on how you invoke it
Jun 04 13:57:43 <summatusmentis> lardman: it's 64-bit ubuntu under vmware fusion
Jun 04 13:57:47 <lardman> huats: I use whatever is standard for Chinook devel
Jun 04 13:57:55 <huats> lardman: ok
Jun 04 13:58:07 * qwerty12 hates sb2
Jun 04 13:58:10 <qwerty12> sb1 pwns
Jun 04 13:58:11 <lardman> summatusmentis: I think I simply edited the script to not do the check/whetever was failing
Jun 04 13:58:27 <qwerty12> I think a setarch may work too
Jun 04 13:58:29 <lardman> summatusmentis: Otherwise there's always tarballs which you can extract, or debs to install manually
Jun 04 14:01:52 <mgedmin> huats: I use sb2
Jun 04 14:03:27 <summatusmentis> lardman: where do I get the .deb files?
Jun 04 14:04:41 <fysa> what's the latest all-inclusive super-kernel these days?
Jun 04 14:05:26 <lardman> summatusmentis: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#settingup
Jun 04 14:05:46 <lardman> then to http://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-apophis/ iirc
Jun 04 14:07:08 <fysa> qwerty12, which kernel are you using these days?  same as in the unionfs thread?
Jun 04 14:08:05 <summatusmentis> thanks
Jun 04 14:08:07 <qwerty12> fysa, atm the diablo kernel. But I have made a newer one in the vlc thread at itt but imho, I wouldn't recommend flashing it. I think it contains too much, haven't tested properly.
Jun 04 14:09:08 <fysa> not using diablo yet, so I will stick with the unionfs thread kernel for now.  thanks.
Jun 04 14:09:52 <qwerty12> cool :)
Jun 04 14:15:54 <lardman> qwerty12: I'm planning on looking at the data which apgs-ui transfers when I get home
Jun 04 14:16:13 <lardman> I wonder if that would just work on a Chinook machine... hmm
Jun 04 14:16:13 <qwerty12> Nice, I assume your install went well?
Jun 04 14:16:17 <lardman> yep
Jun 04 14:16:44 <lardman> had to do some forcing, then ran with two desktops for a while until I did a cold reboot
Jun 04 14:17:00 <qwerty12> That 2 desktop things always happens :/
Jun 04 14:17:09 <qwerty12> I think it starts another hildon-desktop
Jun 04 14:17:32 <lardman> yeah, at least it leaves the term open somewhere so you can see what's going on :)
Jun 04 14:18:27 <lardman> thanks for your help
Jun 04 14:18:40 <qwerty12> np, sorry I was unable to come back :/
Jun 04 14:18:57 <lardman> np, good for me to use my brain sometimes :)
Jun 04 14:19:18 <qwerty12> Heh :)
Jun 04 14:19:25 <qwerty12> ~lart cegcc & svn
Jun 04 14:19:25 * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at cegcc & svn
Jun 04 14:20:22 <texel> Neh? I take it you're having problems compiling and branching code? =op
Jun 04 14:21:42 <qwerty12> I'm trying to checkout the svn of gecc and this is some BIG BIG mofo and I don't have time finish so I shutdown the computer and it wants me to run svn cleanup. That takes ages and fails and then it won't let me carry on again checking out so I have to delete and start again. This is my 5th time now
Jun 04 14:22:04 <texel> Mm.
Jun 04 14:22:22 <texel> So don't lart svn -- lart Berkeley/Sleepycat DB.
Jun 04 14:22:25 <mgedmin> svn kinda sucks like that, rather more often than I would prefer
Jun 04 14:22:41 <texel> libdbm is... ...worse than painful.
Jun 04 14:22:43 <mgedmin> texel: isn't this on the client side?
Jun 04 14:22:52 <mgedmin> bdb is great for hosing up the svn repo itself, though
Jun 04 14:23:00 <mgedmin> never ever use it, if you value your sanity or your data
Jun 04 14:23:07 * texel thought bdb was used on both sides
Jun 04 14:23:22 <texel> Unless, of course, you use a stable version of it.
Jun 04 14:23:25 * texel snickers
Jun 04 14:23:43 <texel> In which case, you can kiss your data goodbye. =op
Jun 04 14:24:57 <texel> Hm.
Jun 04 14:25:07 <texel> mgedmin: okay, I sit corrected.
Jun 04 14:25:22 <texel> ~lart svn
Jun 04 14:25:22 * infobot grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats svn until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with
Jun 04 14:25:49 <qwerty12> painful
Jun 04 14:25:54 <texel> Everybody should use git or hg. =op
Jun 04 14:26:07 <mgedmin> not bzr?
Jun 04 14:26:13 <texel> j/k, of course. Right tool for the right job is more of my stand.
Jun 04 14:26:16 * mgedmin waits for the flames to rise
Jun 04 14:26:50 <texel> I think too many people are either busy or still asleep.
Jun 04 14:27:10 <mgedmin> I should be too
Jun 04 14:27:11 <mgedmin> (busy)
Jun 04 14:31:18 <hrw|gone> bye
Jun 04 14:31:22 <qwerty12> bye
Jun 04 14:31:24 <lardman> bye hrw|gone
Jun 04 14:31:52 <texel> bye
Jun 04 15:00:18 <lopz> hi
Jun 04 15:00:48 <Italodance> hi how are ya qwerty12 :D
Jun 04 15:01:01 <qwerty12> Hi, I'm fine thanks
Jun 04 15:01:34 <Italodance> friend i need ur help please read http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=188596#post188596
Jun 04 15:02:06 <qwerty12> I dunno, I haven't set up quake 2
Jun 04 15:02:42 <Italodance> ummm i just saw ur reply and thought u did it
Jun 04 15:02:57 <Italodance> the demo videos can play now?
Jun 04 15:07:02 * qwerty12 clears my corrupted firefox cache and sighs in relief as the itt home page actually loads with graphics
Jun 04 15:16:58 <GAN800> X-Fade, http feed works fine in RSS Feed Reader. Did you ever test the https feed on you device?
Jun 04 15:17:46 <X-Fade_> GAN800: There the lazy part of me took over ;)
Jun 04 15:18:28 <GAN800> Tried with Vienna on the https feed and it worked fine. So it seems to be am ITOS issue and an entirely unrelated Safari issue (doesn't work on any rss).
Jun 04 15:19:02 <summatusmentis> Jaffa: it ended up being a typo in the package deps, he's gonna fix it when he get's his machine back
Jun 04 15:19:15 <X-Fade_> GAN800: FF3 displays the feed just fine on https.
Jun 04 15:19:37 <GAN800> Anyway, resolving the bug, may open a new one for the feed reader.
Jun 04 15:20:07 <X-Fade_> Ok.
Jun 04 15:22:44 <GAN800> You'd figure having the same issue on two different platforma would point to the problem being elsewhere. Weird bit of coincidence.
Jun 04 15:23:56 <GAN800> Who called the NITs MIDs on the 100Days page? <_<
Jun 04 15:24:10 <qwerty12> Get out the pitchforks!
Jun 04 15:24:33 <texel> O.o
Jun 04 15:24:37 <texel> MIDs?
Jun 04 15:24:46 <texel> Greh.
Jun 04 15:26:02 <GAN800> Why in the world would you say 'Nokia's MID tablet series' instead of 'Nokia's Internet Tablet series'. . . .
Jun 04 15:26:32 <GAN800> dneary!
Jun 04 15:26:45 <GAN800> oy
Jun 04 15:27:07 <summatusmentis> what does MID stand for? I've heard that term before
Jun 04 15:27:34 <GAN800> Mobile Internet Device
Jun 04 15:27:45 <GAN800> it's an Intel thing
Jun 04 15:27:57 <GAN800> It's not non-generic like UMPC
Jun 04 15:28:12 <GAN800> erm, it is non-generic.
Jun 04 15:28:29 <summatusmentis> oh right
Jun 04 15:30:53 <dneary> GAN800!
Jun 04 15:31:01 <texel> KAAAAHHHHHNNN!!!
Jun 04 15:31:33 <GAN800> Hehe
Jun 04 15:32:16 <texel> One is happy to oblige. =o)
Jun 04 15:32:17 <dneary> Me, I called them MIDs
Jun 04 15:32:26 <dneary> I copied it from someone else, though
Jun 04 15:32:28 <dneary> Not my fault
Jun 04 15:32:49 <GAN800> :p
Jun 04 15:37:57 <summatusmentis> :-/ I'm giving boxwave a few more hours, and then I'm calling their customer service people
Jun 04 15:38:41 <GAN800> Just call now. :P
Jun 04 15:39:47 <qwerty12> summatusmentis, If they have a UK division call them and you can have the feeling of calling someone a few hours in the future and without the wait! :p
Jun 04 15:40:34 <GAN800> Woo
Jun 04 15:41:09 <Stskeeps> summatusmentis: ordering screen protectors? went just fine for me
Jun 04 15:43:10 <summatusmentis> GAN800: it's not 10 oclock where they are, I don't think
Jun 04 15:43:21 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps: yeah, I ordered last week, haven't heard anything
Jun 04 15:43:37 <summatusmentis> was charged thursday, but I haven't even gotten a confimation email or something
Jun 04 15:43:56 <Stskeeps> just send them a mail - they had pretty instant customer service for me :P
Jun 04 15:44:09 <summatusmentis> I emailed them last night, haven't heard back
Jun 04 15:44:17 <Stskeeps> odd
Jun 04 15:44:22 <summatusmentis> so unless they hate gmail.com
Jun 04 15:45:50 <texel> summatusmentis: you might check your spam folder.
Jun 04 15:45:52 <GAN800> Nah, they just hate you. :p
Jun 04 15:47:08 <summatusmentis> texel: but I emailed them, why would it get pushed to spam?
Jun 04 15:47:26 <summatusmentis> and there's nothing in spam
Jun 04 15:47:58 <texel> Mm. Point. =op
Jun 04 15:52:45 <Gnuton> Hi
Jun 04 16:14:36 <unixSnob> Any europeans around?  I'd like to know what the mobile broadband situation is over there.. particularly brussels
Jun 04 16:15:20 <unixSnob> My current US-based provider says my unlimited mobile broadband plan will become ~$20/min if I take it to belgium
Jun 04 16:15:40 * qwerty12 managed to get the cegcc from svn! W00T!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 04 16:17:06 <texel> Congrats, qwerty12!
Jun 04 16:17:07 <zap> cegcc is gcc for wince?
Jun 04 16:17:13 <texel> Now comes the real test: will it compile? =o)
Jun 04 16:17:20 <qwerty12> texel, Thanks, hehe
Jun 04 16:17:26 <qwerty12> zap, a cross compiler
Jun 04 16:17:36 <zap> do you develop for wince?
Jun 04 16:17:42 <qwerty12> texel, I'll leave it for now, got to dig out the old pocket pc :)
Jun 04 16:17:46 <qwerty12> zap, no :/
Jun 04 16:17:54 <zap> why you would need it then :)
Jun 04 16:18:04 <texel> Hehe
Jun 04 16:18:13 <qwerty12> For compiling little bits of code I have stored :)
Jun 04 16:18:27 <zap> btw msvc/arm is free afaik
Jun 04 16:18:48 <zap> I used to compile my stuff with it under linux
Jun 04 16:19:14 <qwerty12> Thanks, will check it out
Jun 04 16:21:52 <MangoFusion> cross compiling with gcc worked rather nicely for me. but then i realized wince development sucks ;)
Jun 04 16:23:28 <zap> +1
Jun 04 16:27:17 <dneary> For those who have,n't noticed, http://wiki.maemo.org is now a Mediawiki, since yesterday. Before then it was a static page, and you had to go to index.php to get the MediaWiki
Jun 04 16:27:28 <dneary> Many thanks to X-Fade for the rewrite rules :)
Jun 04 16:27:30 <Navi> Woo
Jun 04 16:27:34 <qwerty12> Nice
Jun 04 16:27:40 <dneary> http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days
Jun 04 16:27:40 <Navi> \o/
Jun 04 16:28:05 <Navi> #maemo dance party time
Jun 04 16:28:08 <Navi> /o/
Jun 04 16:28:10 <Navi> \o\
Jun 04 16:38:06 <texel> Waahaha! Awesome. =o)
Jun 04 16:38:51 <caesargus> that's an interesting document dneary
Jun 04 16:39:05 <dneary> caesargus: The 100Days one?
Jun 04 16:40:14 <caesargus> correct
Jun 04 16:40:26 <dneary> If you haven't heard before: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo-brainstorm.html
Jun 04 16:40:37 <caesargus> yeah I haven't heard it before ...
Jun 04 16:40:47 <dneary> There's also "maemo in 2010" - a mid-term view of what's needed for maemo
Jun 04 16:41:07 <mgedmin> unixSnob: roaming is expensive...
Jun 04 16:41:28 <dneary> caesargus: Those 2 pages are entirely community generated (Quim is following them closely & editing them to keep them from getting hairy, and splitting some things into sub-pages)
Jun 04 16:42:58 * qwerty12 congratulates maemo for providing libpcap0.8 but without the -dev. Brilliant job!
Jun 04 16:43:22 <GAN800> Yeah, I'm glad Quim got involved.
Jun 04 16:43:59 <Navi> zomgness
Jun 04 16:45:46 <unixSnob> mgedmin: yeah, it's certainly a show stopper.  Roaming in normally free to the consumer here in the USA.  Do you know if flat rate unlimited mobile broadband is available in Europe?
Jun 04 16:46:00 <unixSnob> s/in/is
Jun 04 16:46:10 <mgedmin> unixSnob: it's not roaming if you stay in a single country!
Jun 04 16:46:27 <Maximander> heh, no, here it is.
Jun 04 16:46:31 <mgedmin> at least that's the definition of "roaming" we use over here
Jun 04 16:46:47 <mgedmin> I suppose when the country is big and no single carrier has coverage everywhere, you get roaming too
Jun 04 16:46:50 <Maximander> It's roaming here if you leave your network (att, tmobile, etc)
Jun 04 16:47:15 * mgedmin rethinks his assumptions
Jun 04 16:47:19 <unixSnob> mgedmin: suppose I stay in belgium (couple years), what's a typical price for unlimited g3?
Jun 04 16:47:27 <mgedmin> no idea, sorry
Jun 04 16:47:31 <Maximander> it used to be a bigger issue when we had lots of smaller/local carriers and you could actually leave your network. Now we have 3.
Jun 04 16:48:02 <mgedmin> over here in Lithuania unlimited mobile broadband (at least EDGE/GPRS, not sure about 3G) is about 40 USD/month
Jun 04 16:48:07 <Maximander> anyway, maemo question: busybox's ping6 appears to have broken multicast support. Does anyone know how to install the real ping6 from iputils?
Jun 04 16:48:30 <unixSnob> mgedmin: that's very reasonable.. it's $50 USD in the US
Jun 04 16:48:32 <mgedmin> Maximander: I once ported the real ping to maemo
Jun 04 16:48:43 <mgedmin> not sure if ping6 was part of that package
Jun 04 16:48:52 <qwerty12> Maximander, May be easier to dpkg -x the iputils to a folder and move it manually to /usr/bin
Jun 04 16:48:57 <Maximander> unixSnob: I get unlimited data over EDGE from Tmo for $35/month
Jun 04 16:49:17 <unixSnob> Maximander: with legit tethering?
Jun 04 16:49:26 <qwerty12> You can edit the status file entry for busybox for a horrible hack. I did it once for coreutils install.
Jun 04 16:49:49 <glass> finland has unlimited 3g for about 10e/month
Jun 04 16:50:11 <unixSnob> I've heard unlimited as low as $30, but it involved tethering hacks
Jun 04 16:50:25 <unixSnob> glass: wow that's very cheap.. never heard of it being that cheap anywhere
Jun 04 16:50:26 <glass> it's highly country specific
Jun 04 16:50:55 <glass> unixSnob: it's also really unlimited vs. 5gb/month etc thats sold as unlimited in many countries
Jun 04 16:50:59 <unixSnob> well it gives me the feeling that it will probably at least be practical in belgium
Jun 04 16:51:02 <Maximander> unixSnob: blackberry service includes unlimited data for tmo, and usb/bluetooth tethering just requires setting gateway to wap.voicestream.com
Jun 04 16:51:42 <mgedmin> unlimited 3G is $36/month here, according to my carrier's website
Jun 04 16:52:01 <mgedmin> hah, "unlimited"
Jun 04 16:52:28 <mgedmin> if you download more than 3 GB per month, they reserve the right to reduce your download speed
Jun 04 16:52:45 <mgedmin> there's a "PRO" plan that changes this limit to 10 GB per month, but it costs more
Jun 04 16:53:27 <unixSnob> I just want to be able to hit the ground running.. get mobile broadband the day I arrive in brussels.. so I don't need to wait for a residence and residential service
Jun 04 16:53:57 <unixSnob> Maximander: is that under a 1 yr contract?
Jun 04 16:54:36 <unixSnob> The NIT will probably be the key to my survival for the first couple weeks :)
Jun 04 16:54:54 * unixSnob forgot how to use phonebooks and paper maps
Jun 04 17:00:14 <jeroin> roaming is when you use various APs
Jun 04 17:00:37 <jeroin> you can't do that with WiFi, but you can with WiMAX, HSDPA, and so on
Jun 04 17:01:57 * Maximander hates endianness
Jun 04 17:03:51 <Maximander> also, what is with sh's take on history? I guess busybox wasn't really built for multi-terminal use cases
Jun 04 17:04:16 <Blafasel> jeroin: I thought WiFi supports roaming?
Jun 04 17:04:37 <Blafasel> Or at least something similar, grouping APs to do the same
Jun 04 17:04:47 <Maximander> Wifi supports seemless handoff between AP's using WDS
Jun 04 17:04:59 <Maximander> but only within one SSID
Jun 04 17:07:50 <jeroin> in practice it wont work
Jun 04 17:09:22 <jeroin> some networks do use it; you won't notice it then, but the range is too short to make big networks and you can't use roaming from one to another w/o disconnect
Jun 04 17:09:40 <mgedmin> Maximander: I don't know of any shell that handles history from multiple concurrent sessions nicely
Jun 04 17:10:49 <johnx> bash at least handles in-session history ok
Jun 04 17:11:03 <johnx> ash (I guess?) mixes history as it goes
Jun 04 17:13:19 <kulve> I made a patch to bb to have separate history as the mixed on is really annoying
Jun 04 17:13:37 <kulve> s,on,one,
Jun 04 17:17:26 <Maximander> mgedmin: Bash at least keeps it per-session until logout
Jun 04 17:17:49 <mgedmin> oh?  ash has the feature I want?
Jun 04 17:17:50 <jeroin> right now my project is to use hamachi + IP-over-DNS to create some kind of static IP which isn't 24/7 but nevertheless it can connect, ofcourse with other options like GPRS or even VoIP... the latter can always give a shell with asterisk think of it if your VoIP to VoIP of your VoIP provider is free (often the case) you can do nifty things with this
Jun 04 17:17:51 <mgedmin> col
Jun 04 17:17:52 <mgedmin> cool
Jun 04 17:17:55 <mgedmin> or maybe I don't want it
Jun 04 17:18:09 <mgedmin> I want other sessions to be inserted in my bash history before the beginning of my current session, I suppose
Jun 04 17:18:18 <Maximander> when I stop a process (or it segfaults *grumble grumble*) I want to hit up arrow and have it start the same task... not what I was working on in another term
Jun 04 17:18:25 <mgedmin> right
Jun 04 17:18:41 <mgedmin> otoh when I open a new gnome-terminal tab, I want to hit up arrow and have it start the same task I had running in my original tab
Jun 04 17:18:46 <mgedmin> this doesn't happen with bash
Jun 04 17:18:53 <Maximander> nope
Jun 04 17:18:59 <mgedmin> maybe there's an option?
Jun 04 17:19:09 <mgedmin> write out ~/.bash_history after every command
Jun 04 17:19:21 <mgedmin> preferably without overwriting other session's history
Jun 04 17:19:59 <Maximander> eh, locking problems. Or, if only on new seesion, but then you'd need interprocess communication to tell everyone to flush history on new spawn, but that wouldn't scale well either
Jun 04 17:20:44 <mgedmin> fun fun fun
Jun 04 17:20:51 <Maximander> a history daemon would work well
Jun 04 17:20:58 <mgedmin> maybe keep ~/.bash_history.d/$pid
Jun 04 17:21:03 <mgedmin> and merge then on startup
Jun 04 17:21:10 <mgedmin> or, yay, a d-bus history daemon
Jun 04 17:21:37 <Maximander> heh, or, even SQL while we're at it
Jun 04 17:21:50 <Jaffa> Hmm, dneary's commented on http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/06/04/maemo_org_what_next_part_2 - I'm not sure if he's being facetious.
Jun 04 17:22:02 <dneary> Jaffa: Not at all
Jun 04 17:22:50 <dneary> Jaffa: A community council might be useful, but the ideal for me is to have the lines "what is Nokia" and "what is maemo" clearly drawn, so that the community knows where it stands, what's up for grabs, and what's off-topic
Jun 04 17:22:57 <Maximander> ok, iputils-ping is not ipv6 aware
Jun 04 17:23:11 <qwerty12> Maximander, ipv6 version of busybox is available
Jun 04 17:23:15 <qwerty12> for maemo
Jun 04 17:23:22 <Maximander> yeah, it's broken
Jun 04 17:23:27 <dneary> Several times in Berlin, Quim kind of surprised me when he said "that's OT formaemo.org" when it wasn't at all clear to me that was the case
Jun 04 17:23:29 <Maximander> for multicast
Jun 04 17:24:11 <dneary> Jaffa: Away putting the kids to bed
Jun 04 17:24:12 <dneary> bbiaw
Jun 04 17:24:40 <Maximander> qwerty12: its unicast is fine, but its multicast is... well, it thinks its unicast. I've been told I need the iputils version, and that this is a long standing problem with busybox
Jun 04 17:24:48 <mgedmin> my understanding is that "maemo.org" refers to the infrastructure
Jun 04 17:25:05 <mgedmin> so: website, archive builders, repositories, bug trackers, garage, forums, mailing lists, documentation
Jun 04 17:25:42 <mgedmin> so thinks like "port app X" or "upgrade SDK library Y to version Z" are out of scope
Jun 04 17:25:47 <mgedmin> * things
Jun 04 17:25:58 <Italodance> http://www.maemopeople.org/ wow that's a new site :D
Jun 04 17:26:07 <qwerty12> Not really
Jun 04 17:27:31 <Italodance> X-Fade_ are u still around?
Jun 04 17:28:14 <qwerty12> Maximander, ping6 binary: http://rapidshare.com/files/120077172/ping6.html . Compiled in CHINOOK_ARMEL target from iputils_20071127,
Jun 04 17:31:39 * lcuk cranks the handle on googlemail
Jun 04 17:33:31 <Maximander> qwerty12: thanks
Jun 04 17:57:26 <lardman> Anyone here running Diablo?
Jun 04 17:59:01 <lardman> trickie: was it you saying you had some code to "look" at and I offered to do so?
Jun 04 17:59:16 * lardman should remember to not drink all evening
Jun 04 17:59:51 <lardman> when at LinuxTag that is
Jun 04 18:00:35 <lcuk> drink all evening, but call their hotel rooms at 6am to ask technical questions ;)
Jun 04 18:01:01 <shapr> heh
Jun 04 18:01:24 <mgedmin> hi, shapr
Jun 04 18:01:35 <mgedmin> are you coming to europython this year?
Jun 04 18:01:51 <shapr> Nah, I live in Boston.
Jun 04 18:02:11 <lcuk> lardman, whats your VB assignment then and should I be afraid for my job :P
Jun 04 18:02:13 <shapr> That would be too far to travel, I think.
Jun 04 18:02:23 <trickie> lardman: hi
Jun 04 18:02:31 <trickie> lardman: don't think so
Jun 04 18:04:00 <lardman> lcuk: ah no, nothing too exciting (though hard to remember it all now): Just doing a quick app to encase an IR camera interface which is written in VB (rather than doing it in C++)
Jun 04 18:04:15 <lardman> hard to remember the VB that is
Jun 04 18:04:57 <lardman> trickie: ah, no worries. I'm sure I said to someone that I'd take a look at (or at least try to) the asm of some or other program
Jun 04 18:05:18 <lardman> pH5: ping
Jun 04 18:05:50 <lcuk> that reminds me, i should get camera support working in here
Jun 04 18:06:00 <lardman> as a note type?
Jun 04 18:06:05 <lcuk> yer
Jun 04 18:06:11 <lardman> cool :)
Jun 04 18:06:16 <lardman> give us code!
Jun 04 18:06:21 <lcuk> im aiming to get all inputs :)
Jun 04 18:06:29 <lardman> or at least something to play with :)
Jun 04 18:06:42 <lcuk> ok
Jun 04 18:07:11 <lcuk> if what i am doing now works ill make a proper named app without any cruft
Jun 04 18:07:30 <lardman> cool, stick it in garage and watch the karma accumulate :)
Jun 04 18:07:40 <lcuk> ill keep my playground for myself for now and draw out
Jun 04 18:07:53 <lcuk> the bits as they are finished
Jun 04 18:09:22 <lardman> Right, birthday meal, see you lot later on (probably won't be seeing too straight actually) :D
Jun 04 18:09:42 <lcuk> ive had something rolling around in my head though since ltag, and its this XV->omapfbyv12 conversion.  its gotta take some time and i cant decide whether to just remove it and write directly to fb or stick with xv and have an app which works on many devices
Jun 04 18:09:58 <lardman|pub> #ifdef
Jun 04 18:10:08 <lardman|pub> ask me later or tomorrow though, got to run now
Jun 04 18:10:15 <jott> hi folks
Jun 04 18:10:22 <lcuk> its an entire driver/rendering functions
Jun 04 18:10:27 <lcuk> cya
Jun 04 18:10:33 <lcuk> hi jott :)
Jun 04 18:12:54 <mgedmin> hm, looks like my hotel overcharged my bank account by 100 EUR
Jun 04 18:14:05 <trickie> jott: hi
Jun 04 18:15:26 <lcuk> mgedmin, are you sure - i had a ~€20 drinks bill, but i got them to seperate that, you didnt trash the room did you :P
Jun 04 18:15:37 <lcuk> they wanted to put it all together at first
Jun 04 18:16:03 <mgedmin> I've got a paper bill here for 485 EUR, but 585 EUR are reserved in my bank account
Jun 04 18:16:28 <lcuk> thats not good then
Jun 04 18:17:08 <summatusmentis> "oh... uh... all our paper bills are hand typed, must have been a typo"
Jun 04 18:17:16 <mgedmin> I let the bank know; we'll see what happens
Jun 04 18:17:39 <lcuk> yer as long as you have all documentation i doubt it will be a problem getting it rectified
Jun 04 18:22:13 * MangoFusion wonders if he should open up a european bank account
Jun 04 18:22:52 * summatusmentis wonders if he should move to europe
Jun 04 18:27:59 <CptE51> This
Jun 04 18:31:31 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: where would you be moving from?
Jun 04 18:32:59 <summatusmentis> unixSnob: all purely hypothetical, I live in the US right now
Jun 04 18:33:42 <summatusmentis> I'm a college student, so even if it were to happen, it'd be years down the road yet
Jun 04 18:34:25 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: as a college student, you could do the exchange program.. that would make everything easy
Jun 04 18:34:52 <Italodance> for opening BIN/CUE i should burn it?
Jun 04 18:34:54 <Italodance> yes?
Jun 04 18:35:20 <unixSnob> Italodance: what's the question?
Jun 04 18:35:41 <Italodance> unixSnob hehe just tell me the answer>?
Jun 04 18:35:52 <unixSnob> Italodance: there is a way to convert those to ISO if you want to check it out mounted before burning
Jun 04 18:35:59 <unixSnob> (to make sure it's what you want)
Jun 04 18:36:06 <Italodance> tnx
Jun 04 18:36:07 <summatusmentis> unixSnob: yeah, I'm probably gonna study abroad for at least a semester
Jun 04 18:36:21 <unixSnob> Nero handles bin/cue, as well as toast
Jun 04 18:36:25 <lcuk> i recall most virtual drives take bin/cue combos
Jun 04 18:36:31 <lcuk> without burning
Jun 04 18:36:38 <mgedmin> Italodance: mplayer can play movies directly from .bin/.cue without burning, iirc
Jun 04 18:36:43 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: study abroad where?
Jun 04 18:36:51 <Italodance> unixSnob no it's a game
Jun 04 18:37:16 <Italodance> unixSnob what's this mean? Just extract the archives and burn the .cue file
Jun 04 18:37:33 <summatusmentis> unixSnob: maybe spain, or japan
Jun 04 18:37:35 <Italodance> from bin? or burn it?
Jun 04 18:37:36 <summatusmentis> or germany
Jun 04 18:37:57 <lcuk> Italodance, speak to the publisher for information on burning image files for your legit gaming software :)
Jun 04 18:38:31 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: well you might hear that japanese like americans.. it's not really true.  Don't let their good hospitality fool you.
Jun 04 18:38:52 <summatusmentis> does anyone like americans these days?
Jun 04 18:38:57 <unixSnob> Spanish chicks are quite loving though.. go for spain
Jun 04 18:39:00 <summatusmentis> I just think that Japan would be a cool place to go
Jun 04 18:39:17 <lcuk> i saw a great live dvd at ltag apparantly full of games :) http://www.linux-gamers.net/
Jun 04 18:39:36 <summatusmentis> I speak the language in Spain too :) and it might get me credit enough for a spanish major
Jun 04 18:39:46 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: the japanese are the least accepting of other cultures.  They'll pretend to like you, and bad mouth you in japanese
Jun 04 18:40:11 <summatusmentis> welll, if I don't understand them, do I care?
Jun 04 18:41:47 <Italodance> i got it
Jun 04 18:49:21 <unixSnob> summatusmentis: I visited europe after graduating college.. while most of the girls were as prude as americans, the spanish were exceptionally friendly
Jun 04 18:50:16 <summatusmentis> lol, well, I wouldn't be going for wild-sexcapades, although, depending on my relationship status at the time, I wouldn't be opposed either
Jun 04 18:50:19 <unixSnob> I recall going to some night clubs in spain and ibiza, and the chicks would dance right up against me.. nice and dirty.. good stuff
Jun 04 18:51:08 <unixSnob> OTOH, if you want to surround yourself with prudes because you want to avoid relationships, go for britain ;)
Jun 04 18:51:37 <I-luv-ITT> is ITT down?
Jun 04 18:51:46 <summatusmentis> well, I'm in a serious relationship now, and I won't be travelling abroad for a year, so I don't know where I'll be at, at the time :)
Jun 04 18:52:58 <summatusmentis> seems to be taking a lot longer than usual penguinbait
Jun 04 18:53:12 <penguinbait> I was using it and poof
Jun 04 18:53:25 <summatusmentis> yep, it just times out for me
Jun 04 18:53:28 <summatusmentis> timed*
Jun 04 18:53:28 <lcuk> so it was you that broke it
Jun 04 18:53:29 <penguinbait> I broke itt
Jun 04 18:53:31 <penguinbait> hehe
Jun 04 18:53:47 <penguinbait> busted!
Jun 04 18:58:49 * lcuk bangs head against brick wall multiple times and shouts obscenities at windows
Jun 04 18:59:45 <penguinbait> were the windows in the brick wall?
Jun 04 19:00:14 <lcuk> i would prefer to put the bricks through windows, but i value my monitor
Jun 04 19:00:51 <penguinbait> <--- used to be a brick layer
Jun 04 19:01:44 <lcuk> hmm, come and build a nice wall around this computer please
Jun 04 19:01:56 <lcuk> remove its oxygen
Jun 04 19:01:58 <penguinbait> if you knock down the wall with your head, I can build a new one
Jun 04 19:02:16 <penguinbait> just steal its power
Jun 04 19:05:16 <lcuk> gulp
Jun 04 19:05:40 <lcuk> log file for me running program is 3.8mb.  i only ran the program for ~10seconds
Jun 04 19:06:21 <penguinbait> sounds like my firewall
Jun 04 19:06:51 <penguinbait> wow itt just half loaded all funky
Jun 04 19:07:12 <penguinbait> and its back
Jun 04 19:07:18 <penguinbait> and itt's back
Jun 04 19:07:22 <lcuk> normally its well behaved but i just left a log entry in there for every point it reads from file.  the problem is i am loading every point of every stroke of every page ive used my stylus with in the last 3 weeks..
Jun 04 19:23:53 <penguinbait> help Linus is talking to me, heheh
Jun 04 19:24:19 <glass> hah
Jun 04 19:24:29 <summatusmentis> penguinbait: what? really?
Jun 04 19:24:42 <summatusmentis> or am I wan confused?
Jun 04 19:24:44 <summatusmentis> way*
Jun 04 19:25:12 <MangoFusion> is this the real Linus, or the virtual one?
Jun 04 19:25:48 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20693&goto=newpost
Jun 04 19:33:21 <summatusmentis> god! I was wondering why my tablet kept talking to me when I booted it
Jun 04 19:33:35 <summatusmentis> I forgot that I had install_tools installed
Jun 04 19:46:30 <jeroin> and merge then on startup <- which goes first tho
Jun 04 20:04:51 <pH5> lardman: pong
Jun 04 20:19:00 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ping
Jun 04 20:19:17 <lcuk> ph5, gone to pub
Jun 04 20:20:32 <Jaffa> Mmmm, pub.
Jun 04 20:20:55 <Jaffa> One beer with dinner wasn't quite enough. May treat myself to another and watch the Father Ted special on More4
Jun 04 20:22:03 <lcuk> sounds fecking reasonable
Jun 04 20:23:14 <Jaffa> drink!
Jun 04 20:25:16 <penguinbait> <---- Bounces quarter into shot glass:  Back at ya!
Jun 04 20:30:53 <Jaffa> Few favourites on p.m.o on my "Community Council" idea. Any direct comments? Totally out-of-line? Waste of time/effort? Meh?
Jun 04 20:34:39 <lcuk> whats pmo though
Jun 04 20:35:18 <lcuk> ie where can i read
Jun 04 20:37:39 <Jaffa> lcuk: planet.maemo.org, hang on let me find a direct link...
Jun 04 20:38:02 <Jaffa> http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/06/04/maemo_org_what_next_part_2
Jun 04 20:39:12 <zap> Jaffa: you should have used R/G/B for the vertices
Jun 04 20:42:42 <Jaffa> zap: a little cliched, and I  enjoyed playing with some Inkscape effects
Jun 04 20:42:56 <zap> :()
Jun 04 20:43:08 <zap> om,gh
Jun 04 20:43:17 <zap> m,y keyboaerd is beroken ghm,m,...
Jun 04 20:50:55 <lcuk> jaffa :) replied
Jun 04 20:51:29 <Jaffa> ta :)
Jun 04 20:52:13 <lcuk> only making use of my membership :P
Jun 04 20:53:45 <Jaffa> :p
Jun 04 20:54:55 <lcuk> now onto serious matters: whats all this about the doctor having a bit with his (onscreen) daughter
Jun 04 20:57:07 <zap> ugh
Jun 04 20:58:58 <Jaffa> I hope that's referring to "The Doctor's Daughter" from a couple of weeks back; and not a spoiler ;)
Jun 04 21:03:16 <florian> re
Jun 04 21:03:34 <Jaffa> re florian
Jun 04 21:17:36 <Romeus> hello
Jun 04 21:17:58 <Romeus> has anybody attempted a barcode scanner use the N8x0 camera?
Jun 04 21:19:42 <Romeus> the iPhone has a pretty nifty application called iMatrix that works pretty well (http://www.imatrix.lt) - would it be possible to implement something similar for maemo?
Jun 04 21:24:40 <||cw> Romeus: not that I have heard of, but some useful links here http://www.mperfect.net/barCode/
Jun 04 21:25:18 <Romeus> yeah, I've done some looking around, there's zebra and libdmtx
Jun 04 21:25:35 <Romeus> looks like elb might have attempted it from reading logs
Jun 04 21:25:45 <elb> yeah, I had no luck
Jun 04 21:25:50 <elb> but i didn't try too hard
Jun 04 21:26:03 <Romeus> ah
Jun 04 21:26:03 <Romeus> ok
Jun 04 21:26:10 <elb> the image quality on the IT is pretty bad
Jun 04 21:26:15 <Romeus> it is
Jun 04 21:26:22 <elb> I managed to get a couple of bar codes to decode after some serious cleanup in an image editor
Jun 04 21:26:35 <elb> but ... it wasn't clear to me how to do it without hand-tweaked cleanup
Jun 04 21:26:36 <Romeus> ok
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 04 21:28:31 2008
Jun 04 21:28:57 <summatusmentis> it's incredibly noisy
Jun 04 21:33:43 <Romeus> would have been nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFaZ5HbN0W8
Jun 04 21:36:12 <summatusmentis> yeah, agreed
Jun 04 21:37:16 <Romeus> is there a decent PIM available for Maemo yet?
Jun 04 21:37:26 <GeneralAntilles> GPE or Pimlico
Jun 04 21:37:38 <Romeus> (no offense to GPE or Pimlico)
Jun 04 21:37:49 <GeneralAntilles> Different people have different definitions of "decent", but a lot of people use both without issue.
Jun 04 21:37:53 <summatusmentis> or, if you want, KDE PIM, w/ penguinbait's stuff
Jun 04 21:39:27 <Romeus> the only one I haven't tried yet is Pimlico... I guess I've been spoiled with full featured PIM on Windows Mobile syncing with Outlook & Thunderbird pretty easily
Jun 04 21:40:26 <Romeus> hmm, no download for pimlico yet
Jun 04 21:41:14 <Romeus> at least not for sync
Jun 04 21:41:33 <summatusmentis> *sigh* that's reassuring. Boxwave sent out my screen protector the day they charged me
Jun 04 21:41:58 <summatusmentis> you can also run a garnet vm, and use palm syncing stuff
Jun 04 21:42:41 <summatusmentis> also, windows mobile? gross
Jun 04 21:43:22 <texel> Or you could be insane like me and use rsync + emacs + bbdb + muse. =op
Jun 04 21:43:45 <Romeus> windows mobile OS might be gross in some way, but it does PIM really really well
Jun 04 21:44:04 <summatusmentis> might be all it's good for :)
Jun 04 21:44:22 <summatusmentis> and it does pim really well with MS products
Jun 04 21:44:22 <GeneralAntilles> Woo, Quim joined MAG. :D
Jun 04 21:44:27 <Romeus> too bad we can't just emulate it for that
Jun 04 21:44:30 <summatusmentis> MAG?
Jun 04 21:44:38 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemowiki_Action_Group
Jun 04 21:44:50 <summatusmentis> oh
Jun 04 21:45:02 <Romeus> with Funambol it does PIM really well with a lot of products
Jun 04 21:46:58 <Romeus> btw, I was wondering why scrolling and motion on the N800 is kind of choppy... does that have anything to do with no using the PowerVR not being used?
Jun 04 21:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jun 04 21:47:11 <GeneralAntilles> It has more to do with the crappy LCD controller.
Jun 04 21:47:52 <Romeus> ahh
Jun 04 21:48:08 <Romeus> so, I guess there's no way around that
Jun 04 21:48:20 <summatusmentis> what is Funambol?
Jun 04 21:48:35 <Cptnodegard> tiny cpu
Jun 04 21:48:37 <Cptnodegard> :p
Jun 04 21:48:42 <GeneralAntilles> Not particularly, Romeus.
Jun 04 21:49:01 <Romeus> OMG, you've got to check Funambol out: http://www.funambol.com/
Jun 04 21:49:28 <lcuk> :) @ choppy
Jun 04 21:50:12 <Romeus> so no chance of getting smooth iPhone like animated transitions :(
Jun 04 21:50:24 <GeneralAntilles> Well, there's always a chance
Jun 04 21:50:36 <GeneralAntilles> but the effort that would end up going into that isn't really worth the return.
Jun 04 21:50:40 <Romeus> though Canola isn't bad, though it does getting a little choppy on its transitions
Jun 04 21:51:32 <Romeus> s/getting/get/
Jun 04 21:51:32 <infobot> Romeus meant: though Canola isn't bad, though it does get a little choppy on its transitions
Jun 04 21:52:03 <Romeus> cool, I love the infobot
Jun 04 21:52:47 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, :) you're right, its not
Jun 04 21:53:10 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk's case is far too hackish and egdy. :P
Jun 04 21:53:19 <Romeus> any news on drivers PowerVR MBX 3d drivers?
Jun 04 21:53:20 <lcuk> absolutely agree
Jun 04 21:53:35 <GeneralAntilles> They talked about it at LinuxTag
Jun 04 21:53:44 <lcuk> and before
Jun 04 21:53:48 <GeneralAntilles> I'd appreciate it if somebody who was actually there could put a summary up on the wiki.
Jun 04 21:54:14 <GeneralAntilles> So far I've gotten, "drivers pretty much suck" and "more coming later this year"
Jun 04 21:54:31 <Romeus> lol
Jun 04 21:54:39 <summatusmentis> I don't know what I think about this Gizmo thing
Jun 04 21:54:49 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, are you using it with rtcomm?
Jun 04 21:55:21 <lcuk> hey, re the wiki, ive just first posted with a stupid thing but it looked daft having nothing there
Jun 04 21:55:34 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, I seem to recall another finger-keyboard thumb-activation bug other than this one: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621
Jun 04 21:55:43 <GeneralAntilles> Can't find it, though, am I just hallucinating?
Jun 04 21:55:54 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: I don't know... I just turned it on
Jun 04 21:56:01 <summatusmentis> Romeus: is Funambol free?
Jun 04 21:56:11 <Romeus> summatusmentis: free and os!
Jun 04 21:56:15 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, are you using Gizmo's client or the built-in SIP client?
Jun 04 21:56:24 <summatusmentis> Gizmo's client
Jun 04 21:56:42 <summatusmentis> brb, gotta go get dinner
Jun 04 21:57:10 <Romeus> summatusmentis: client and server (including plugins)
Jun 04 21:57:18 <Romeus> summatusmentis: https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/
Jun 04 21:57:48 <elb> Romeus: if you come up with a way to get decent bar codes out of an IT, I'd love to see it
Jun 04 21:57:55 <elb> I want to use mine to do some inventory tracking
Jun 04 21:58:19 <lcuk> 800 would be better target for that
Jun 04 21:58:26 <lcuk> rotatable cam and all
Jun 04 21:58:47 <elb> yeah, that's another real problem with the 810
Jun 04 21:58:52 <elb> (for this purpose)
Jun 04 21:58:55 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, try it with the built-in SIP client (rtcomm) much, much better.
Jun 04 21:58:57 <elb> I had a lot of trouble getting it lined up for images
Jun 04 21:59:01 <Romeus> elb: yeah, after I took a few shots of barcodes with my N800, I quicky realized it probably won't be "worth the return" - lol
Jun 04 21:59:17 <elb> Romeus: well, bar codes are meant to be readable under pretty bad noise situations
Jun 04 21:59:20 <elb> so ...
Jun 04 21:59:20 <elb> ;-)
Jun 04 21:59:39 <Romeus> true
Jun 04 22:00:01 <Romeus> the N800 rotatable cam does help
Jun 04 22:00:26 <elb> (that said, I came to the same conclusion)
Jun 04 22:00:40 <elb> there's a difference between "somebody could probably do this", and "I'm going to do this" ;-)
Jun 04 22:01:48 <Romeus> the problem isn't only the noise I'm getting, but it's tough getting the shot not to blur a little bit
Jun 04 22:01:54 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, ping
Jun 04 22:02:10 <Romeus> it would be cool to have it scan a barcode and do an online price comparison
Jun 04 22:02:20 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: pong
Jun 04 22:02:35 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2621 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1629
Jun 04 22:02:51 <GeneralAntilles> I just resolved 2621 as FIXED, but it's probably more of a duplicate of 1629
Jun 04 22:03:49 <GeneralAntilles> Target milestone needs to be set, too, but can you change it to duplicate directly instead of me going REOPEN -> DUPLICATE?
Jun 04 22:04:26 <Romeus> GeneralAntilles: what would it take to get the LCD controller able to render smooth transitions?
Jun 04 22:04:42 <GeneralAntilles> New hardware or crazy-insane hacking software side.
Jun 04 22:05:03 <Romeus> any idea what the crazy-insane hacking software side look like?
Jun 04 22:05:35 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: No, you can't changed Reso FIXED to DUPE directly.
Jun 04 22:05:44 <guenther> You need to REOPEN it first.
Jun 04 22:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I know _I_ can't, but that's why I have you (assuming you can). :P
Jun 04 22:06:22 <guenther> That was a general "you".
Jun 04 22:06:31 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I'll handle it then.
Jun 04 22:06:32 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks!
Jun 04 22:06:44 <guenther> Using the web interface, this is not possible.
Jun 04 22:07:00 <guenther> The only way would be editing the SQL database directly.
Jun 04 22:07:06 <guenther> Which is nasty! :)
Jun 04 22:07:17 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: Thank you!
Jun 04 22:07:31 <GeneralAntilles> Good to know.
Jun 04 22:07:55 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: I guess I don't much see the point of SIP phones in general
Jun 04 22:08:02 <Romeus> has anybody done any hardware modding on the N800?
Jun 04 22:08:25 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, look into grand central. ;)
Jun 04 22:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, I have 3 tablets, all connected to my Gizmo account with rtcomm.
Jun 04 22:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> and GrandCentral rings those 3 tablets and my cell for incoming calls.
Jun 04 22:10:16 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: and it costs money?
Jun 04 22:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> $30 a year for the Gizmo LineIn, and I've used about $15 of minutes on Gizmo.
Jun 04 22:10:49 <summatusmentis> hmm
Jun 04 22:10:51 <GeneralAntilles> GrandCentral is free right now, invites are just closed.
Jun 04 22:11:49 <lcuk> Romeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :)
Jun 04 22:12:18 <Veggen> summatusmentis: I plan to extend my usage on asterisk to make my own set of useful private services. Like, dialback-services, etc. My n810 is connected to that - over an openvpn when I'm away ;)
Jun 04 22:12:36 <lcuk> in the next couple of days i will be (finally) getting something on youtube and maybe test apps etc (if i can summon up the energy to build a package)
Jun 04 22:12:39 <Veggen> sip-based things can be useful, yah.
Jun 04 22:13:24 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, hrw already volunteered for that duty. :P
Jun 04 22:16:10 <Romeus> lcuk> have you tested them out?
Jun 04 22:16:37 <lcuk> good point, he did didnt he
Jun 04 22:16:42 <lcuk> tested what out
Jun 04 22:16:59 <Romeus>  Romeus, i know somethings about getting the most out of the display adapter :) <--- something
Jun 04 22:17:59 <lcuk> ive been building and playing with a few little test programs trying to push the adapter, ive got fullscreen tearfree text rendering and a similar sketch program with kinetic scrolling and big fast menus etc.  its been in fulltime use now for 3 weeks and outshines paper because im keeping it all together
Jun 04 22:18:40 <lcuk> so yes ive got "something" its not general case framebuffer speedups for all of x, but its given me a playground to re-learn my c code and find my mojo again
Jun 04 22:18:59 * lcuk hasnt felt this good coding for a long time :)
Jun 04 22:19:08 <Romeus> luck> that sounds great
Jun 04 22:20:53 <Romeus> pimilco looks decent
Jun 04 22:21:37 <manyoso> hi, repository.maemo.org/extras contains gperf package for X86, but not ARMEL
Jun 04 22:21:51 <manyoso> anyone know where to get gperf deb for ARMEL target?
Jun 04 22:29:43 * lardman appears to have reverted even while in the pub
Jun 04 22:29:54 <lardman> evening all :)
Jun 04 22:31:01 <GeneralAntilles> Hi
Jun 04 22:31:28 <lardman> ohey GeneralAntilles
Jun 04 22:31:45 <lardman> unfair changing nicks all the time
Jun 04 22:31:48 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jun 04 22:31:52 <GeneralAntilles> It's mostly just two.
Jun 04 22:32:01 * GeneralAntilles just got back to his apartment and the AC's mostly broken.
Jun 04 22:32:03 <lardman> still too much for me :D
Jun 04 22:32:09 <GeneralAntilles> Hooray for Florida summers!
Jun 04 22:32:38 <lardman> hmm, looks like rain here and ~12C
Jun 04 22:32:54 <GeneralAntilles> 31°C right now.
Jun 04 22:32:55 <GeneralAntilles> Inside
Jun 04 22:33:03 <lardman> nice :)
Jun 04 22:33:18 <GeneralAntilles> At least it's managing to keep the humidity below 60%
Jun 04 22:33:28 <GeneralAntilles> Have to talk to the manager tomorrow. . . .
Jun 04 22:33:30 <lcuk> lardman, flying back: all the way a lovely sunset - descent into manchester:  dark grey clouds and doom and gloom.  was heartbreaking
Jun 04 22:35:41 <lardman> lcuk: I didn't see too much really, was more remembering the low flying F-16/Mig-29 at Schoenenfeld that afternoon :)
Jun 04 22:36:12 <lardman> shame they built the terminal there, would have had a far better view without ;)
Jun 04 22:36:13 <Romeus> thanks guys! I'm signing off
Jun 04 22:36:46 <lcuk> when i landed at Tegel there was an entire set of military helicopters the entire length of the runway with rotors on
Jun 04 22:36:59 <lardman> cool :)
Jun 04 22:37:13 <lcuk> i would have loved to see more
Jun 04 22:37:22 <lardman> me too, not enough time though
Jun 04 22:38:01 <lardman> has the password gone from the Diablo repo now?
Jun 04 22:38:04 <lcuk> on the moors there are spots you can go walking and be buzzed by low flying jets :)
Jun 04 22:38:14 <lcuk> not sure, ive stayed away for now
Jun 04 22:38:20 <lcuk> i want a stable system
Jun 04 22:38:48 <lardman> :) yeah, was in the Lakes week before last and saw lots of low-level Tornadoes/Hercules, was great :)
Jun 04 22:39:12 <lardman> my system crashed - couldn't boot so have reflashed
Jun 04 22:39:24 <GeneralAntilles> Diablo's been fine for me.
Jun 04 22:39:29 <GeneralAntilles> Just some MicroB stupidity.
Jun 04 22:39:45 <pupnik> amusing:  how a guy plays with unwanted visitors on his wlan http://www.ex-parrot.com/peter/upside-down-ternet.html
Jun 04 22:39:45 <lcuk> lardman, then an ideal time to check out the future :)
Jun 04 22:39:53 * lardman is looking for gpsdriver, needs to look for the repo again
Jun 04 22:39:59 <pupnik> evening lads
Jun 04 22:40:29 <lardman> hi pupnik
Jun 04 22:40:37 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: Nice, you even left the appropriate comment. :)
Jun 04 22:41:02 <lcuk> hi pupnik :)
Jun 04 22:41:08 * GeneralAntilles is winning at Bugzilla. :P
Jun 04 22:41:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, pupnik.
Jun 04 22:41:49 <pupnik> which bug?
Jun 04 22:41:57 <lcuk> pupnik my blisters are healing, i got new shoes ;) but now the weather is so crap i dont wanna go out
Jun 04 22:42:16 <GeneralAntilles> Just the finger keyboard activation bug. #2621
Jun 04 22:45:27 <lardman> lcuk: need gumboots
Jun 04 22:45:44 <lardman> lcuk: wellingtons I suppose I should say
Jun 04 22:46:26 <lcuk> lol i wouldv looked kinda odd
Jun 04 22:47:07 <lardman> hmm, why can't I see the Diablo repo anymore?
Jun 04 22:50:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ha . . . there's like a half-dozen miniusb cables under my desk.
Jun 04 22:51:04 <lcuk> is bluetooth networking much slower than wifi for console/small file transfer?
Jun 04 22:51:37 <MangoFusion> GeneralAntilles: you could make a lovely mini-usb work of art with them
Jun 04 22:51:54 <MangoFusion> or maybe not ;)
Jun 04 22:52:24 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, it'll probably run in the 100-300KB/sec range.
Jun 04 22:52:32 <GeneralAntilles> So fine for, say, small text files and binaries.
Jun 04 22:52:49 <lcuk> and i assume battery life will get a kick :)
Jun 04 22:53:51 <lcuk> holy poo!  microsoft apologised for a delay in their software!  they realise people get pissed off waiting for a simple action to complete
Jun 04 22:56:45 <lcuk> anyway :) ill catch you lot later on
Jun 04 23:00:45 <summatusmentis> who pinged me earlier?
Jun 04 23:01:03 <summatusmentis> I can't get my irssi to scroll up in Terminal.app
Jun 04 23:03:22 <lardman> note to self, don't try to remember usernames&passwords after 30th birthday drinks
Jun 04 23:04:47 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, me
Jun 04 23:05:00 <GeneralAntilles> 'grats, lardman.
Jun 04 23:05:04 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: what'd you want?
Jun 04 23:05:17 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, just telling you to use the rtcomm client over Gizmo. ;)
Jun 04 23:05:39 <summatusmentis> lol, oh, yeah, Isaw that part, I must've missed the last thing you said or somesuch
Jun 04 23:26:55 <summatusmentis> So, I've decided there are about 3 things I 'need' for my IT to be able to be the coolest gadget I've ever owned
Jun 04 23:27:07 <summatusmentis> 1) Cell Data
Jun 04 23:27:28 <summatusmentis> 2) >= 16GB micro SD cards
Jun 04 23:27:47 <summatusmentis> 3) ... I can't remmber what 3 is :D
Jun 04 23:27:57 <GeneralAntilles> AT&T is fairly cheap for data
Jun 04 23:28:07 <summatusmentis> gsm doesn't work where I need it
Jun 04 23:28:09 <GeneralAntilles> I pay $20/mo for "unlimited" non-tethering that I tether with.
Jun 04 23:28:27 <summatusmentis> I live in the boonies, and gsm is shite out here
Jun 04 23:29:13 <summatusmentis> Sprint has this SERO thing I'm considering, but that'd require somehow getting out of my plan
Jun 04 23:30:13 <summatusmentis> even just #1 would make it way more usable
Jun 04 23:30:58 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, data is nice.
Jun 04 23:31:03 <GeneralAntilles> Don't think about internet access
Jun 04 23:31:04 <GeneralAntilles> just use it.
Jun 04 23:33:37 <summatusmentis> I do, a decent amount
Jun 04 23:34:01 <summatusmentis> wait, misunderstood what you were saying :)
Jun 04 23:34:22 <summatusmentis> how easy is it to keep the two devices connected? or to get it set up?
Jun 04 23:37:03 <summatusmentis> oh! 3 was working GPS
Jun 04 23:37:13 <summatusmentis> but that be related to where I am
Jun 04 23:37:35 <GeneralAntilles> GPS is Diablo.
Jun 04 23:37:47 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, run the wizard tablet side
Jun 04 23:37:49 <GeneralAntilles> connect
Jun 04 23:38:10 <GeneralAntilles> The tablets tether way more simply and easily than any other platform I've tried.
Jun 04 23:40:14 <summatusmentis> awesome :)
Jun 04 23:40:30 <summatusmentis> it was a pain to get my Zaurus to tether
Jun 04 23:40:40 <lardman> night all
Jun 04 23:40:40 <summatusmentis> (mostly due to lack of bluetooth)
Jun 04 23:42:11 <summatusmentis> ooh! the HTC mogul has a program you can install to use the wifi card on the mogul to broadcast a wifi signal :)
Jun 04 23:42:44 <summatusmentis> so broadcast the data via the wifi... that's cool
Jun 05 01:31:07 <Dekaritae> A matter of interest, the Wii web browser uses the Flash 7 plugin, same as Opera on Maemo
Jun 05 01:31:28 <Dekaritae> So all the games on sites like wiiplayable.com should work fine
Jun 05 01:31:37 <GAN800> Only if you're talking really old Opera.
Jun 05 01:32:25 <Dekaritae> To my knowledge there is no Flash 8 or 9 plugin for Linux
Jun 05 01:32:37 <GAN800> It's been Flash 9 since summer 2007
Jun 05 01:32:51 <GAN800> Your knowledge is waaaay out of date.
Jun 05 01:33:37 <GAN800> Linux has had 9 for longer than that.
Jun 05 01:34:16 <Dekaritae> Yay
Jun 05 01:43:29 <Anunakin> hi to all!
Jun 05 01:47:48 <summatusmentis> hi Anunakin
Jun 05 02:01:12 <summatusmentis> GAN800: you tether with a regular phone right?
Jun 05 02:01:21 <summatusmentis> not some smartphone or something?
Jun 05 02:01:28 <GAN800> Samsung A717
Jun 05 02:01:34 <GAN800> Thin, simple.
Jun 05 02:03:02 <summatusmentis> hmmm... I'm looking at the Sanyo S1
Jun 05 02:03:07 <summatusmentis> do you do any texting?
Jun 05 02:03:54 <summatusmentis> bad reviews though :/
Jun 05 02:08:47 <lopz> hi
Jun 05 02:15:03 <GAN800> Not a lot, summatusmentis
Jun 05 02:15:20 <GAN800> Mostly just call people or IM on the NITST
Jun 05 02:15:30 <summatusmentis> I'll my internal flash is 80% forll O\__/O
Jun 05 02:15:52 <GAN800> er, NIT
Jun 05 02:16:03 <GAN800> Delete the 40MB of pdfs?
Jun 05 02:16:03 <summatusmentis> s/forll/full/
Jun 05 02:16:04 <infobot> summatusmentis meant: I'll my internal flash is 80% full O\__/O
Jun 05 02:24:02 <chi800> hi, do i need a new kernel or patch for usbcontrol to work?
Jun 05 02:25:32 <chi800> trying to connect usb kb
Jun 05 02:25:32 <chi800> usb icon shows, no device id in usbcontrol screen
Jun 05 02:25:33 <GeneralAntilles> No, chi800.
Jun 05 02:25:46 <chi800> hm weird
Jun 05 02:26:01 <Anunakin> U dont need a new kernew
Jun 05 02:26:05 <Anunakin> kernl
Jun 05 02:26:10 <Anunakin> opps
Jun 05 02:26:13 <Anunakin> kernel
Jun 05 02:26:17 <chi800> this kb does have a caps lock light, is that a problem powerwise?
Jun 05 02:26:26 <Anunakin> yes
Jun 05 02:26:45 <chi800> can i just take it out?
Jun 05 02:26:51 <chi800> the led?
Jun 05 02:27:01 <Anunakin> Here I have same problem but the kb works
Jun 05 02:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> A lot of USB keyboards need more than 100mA
Jun 05 02:27:19 <Anunakin> I think yes
Jun 05 02:27:35 <chi800> i also get a no file sys found warning
Jun 05 02:27:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ignore it
Jun 05 02:27:46 <GeneralAntilles> meaningless
Jun 05 02:27:49 <Anunakin> what file?
Jun 05 02:27:51 <chi800> ok
Jun 05 02:28:00 <chi800> not found
Jun 05 02:28:07 <Anunakin> here mine not geting this error!
Jun 05 02:28:54 <chi800> do i need a reboot after installing usbcontrol, or does that not matter?
Jun 05 02:29:03 <Anunakin> I thinking about sacrifice my USB cable ... turn it to a host USB cable...
Jun 05 02:29:23 <Anunakin> no need reboot
Jun 05 02:29:50 <Anunakin> this only change a flag at kernel/proc
Jun 05 02:30:03 <Anunakin> not a module or other think
Jun 05 02:30:20 <lcuk> chi, look for the fcc label on the underside of the keyboard, let us know the ma it requires
Jun 05 02:30:48 <Anunakin> yes maybe your kb need more power then u nokia can give
Jun 05 02:31:11 <chi800> doesn't say, but i can look it up one sec
Jun 05 02:31:26 <Anunakin> try u kb with your nokia on power
Jun 05 02:31:40 <lcuk> a 100ma is right on the limit and on my kb it kinda sorta worked until i did chording and i gave up :) bt FTW
Jun 05 02:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> Anunakin, that wont change anything.
Jun 05 02:31:51 <GeneralAntilles> Try it on a powered hub instead. ;)
Jun 05 02:31:57 <GeneralAntilles> Anunakin, the 100mA is a kernel limit.
Jun 05 02:32:02 <lcuk> hardware
Jun 05 02:32:04 <Anunakin> ok
Jun 05 02:32:22 <Anunakin> I remember this change on Zaurus...
Jun 05 02:32:29 <GeneralAntilles> You could remove the limit
Jun 05 02:32:32 <Anunakin> but is another kernel
Jun 05 02:32:36 <GeneralAntilles> but no guarantees that your device wouldn't crap out.
Jun 05 02:32:45 <Dekaritae> Has anyone built an overcharger for an N8x0 device?
Jun 05 02:32:57 <Anunakin> can toast the USB too... without it
Jun 05 02:33:36 <Anunakin> Man I using a powered USB HUB with 7 ports
Jun 05 02:34:19 <Anunakin> My DVD-RW works only with it
Jun 05 02:34:19 <GeneralAntilles> D-Link?
Jun 05 02:34:26 <Anunakin> G&E
Jun 05 02:35:48 <chi800> can't find power specs anywhere, it's an adesso akb 210
Jun 05 02:36:24 <chi800> would taking out the led reduce the power need?
Jun 05 02:37:06 <lcuk> as long as the cabling is fine, about the only reasonable thing to try is a full battery out restart of all the hardware :)  ive had the usb chip crash in the past, but if that then doesnt work the kb prob takes too much power to be usable
Jun 05 02:37:26 <chi800> ok
Jun 05 02:37:30 <chi800> here goes
Jun 05 02:37:47 <lcuk> do you think i should have told him to shutdown first ...
Jun 05 02:38:13 <lcuk> anyway, to bed
Jun 05 02:43:39 <chi800> no luck with that, and the led is one of those tiny flat ones
Jun 05 02:45:20 <Anunakin> Any knows if I can show the mouse cursor at maemo?
Jun 05 02:46:32 <chi800> doubt it
Jun 05 02:48:00 <Dekaritae> What format does the library "book path" use in FBReader?
Jun 05 02:48:20 <Dekaritae> I've tried specifying it as /media/mmc1/books and file:///media/mmc1/books
Jun 05 02:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> It's weird about scanning
Jun 05 02:49:57 <GeneralAntilles> I'd just add manually
Jun 05 02:50:04 <GeneralAntilles> more convenient, since you can add metadata.
Jun 05 02:50:14 <chi800> add a /
Jun 05 02:51:51 <Dekaritae> I'm going to be automating updates the folder with Sunrise XP, so there won't be any manual involvement
Jun 05 02:57:02 <Dekaritae> Ok the path is /media/mmc1/Library/ and it does not load from this folder
Jun 05 02:57:27 <chi800> the led blinks for a split second on plugging in,  it's probably power, right?
Jun 05 02:58:31 <GeneralAntilles> It'll blink when the display's off and it's plugged in
Jun 05 02:58:34 <GeneralAntilles> Could be related to that.
Jun 05 02:58:40 <GeneralAntilles> I turned that off a while ago, though.
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