**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 20 02:59:56 2008 Jun 20 03:02:24 got it Jun 20 03:12:50 ... Jun 20 03:18:33 where can I get the os2006 image for the 770 ? Jun 20 03:59:53 Does Gecko Engine of Mozilla Firefox is available on maemo platform ? Who is working on XULRunner developement part on maemo ? Jun 20 04:01:49 it's the engine of the default browser in os2008 Jun 20 04:02:05 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 20 05:10:09 Hi, the autoconf version in scratchbox is too low, how can i change a new one? Jun 20 05:10:28 i think i posted instructions somewhere Jun 20 05:11:44 but note that changing a new one won't do what you want Jun 20 05:12:08 (it doesn't mean much of anything, which is a good reason for it to not do anything remotely useful..) Jun 20 05:16:12 Gecko SDK How to install ? I extract tarball of same but it not come with make file so how to install it ? Jun 20 05:16:28 for maemo platform Jun 20 05:19:35 what was the url for this thing you downloaded? Jun 20 05:39:09 Gecko SDK How to install ? I extract tarball of same but it not come with make file so how to install it ? Jun 20 05:39:16 * timeless kicks atul Jun 20 05:39:17 I Install XULRunner which says it come up with Gecko SDK but I didn't found Geck SDK in my home/usr/gecko-sdk ? Jun 20 05:39:23 what was the url for this sdk? Jun 20 05:39:52 timeless who ask you do u own work idiate ? Jun 20 05:40:17 * atul atul kicks timeless Jun 20 05:40:27 please visit http://irchelp.org Jun 20 05:51:59 vids aren't working especially youtube says need flash oor js Jun 20 05:52:45 can i reinstall the browers Jun 20 05:54:56 no, but you could enable flash Jun 20 05:55:06 click the magnifying glass, select components/plugins and check flash Jun 20 05:55:26 this is documented in tabletschool (?) Jun 20 05:55:38 tyvm sorry for shortcut typing in pda now Jun 20 06:34:08 hi dougt Jun 20 06:34:18 happy midsummer or something Jun 20 06:34:30 hey timeless; how are things? Jun 20 06:34:45 i'm compressing my file system Jun 20 06:34:52 timeless: how? Jun 20 06:35:01 tell me, it would improve its speed drastically Jun 20 06:35:04 astorm: zfs clone magic Jun 20 06:35:08 blah Jun 20 06:35:16 I thought, you're doing that on your N8x0 Jun 20 06:35:47 the recommended way for n8x0 is: rsync+flash+rsync Jun 20 06:35:48 still, I need a kernel with working DVFS, duh Jun 20 06:35:55 timeless: for compression? no Jun 20 06:35:58 which is kinda like what i'm doing here Jun 20 06:36:02 I meant, runtime compression Jun 20 06:36:04 rsync+clone+rsync Jun 20 06:36:21 astorm: jffs2 can fragment to **** Jun 20 06:36:31 fragmenting isn't a problem with flash Jun 20 06:36:33 and i've been told the only fix is to reflash Jun 20 06:36:38 it even improves performance Jun 20 06:36:44 :) Jun 20 06:36:54 :) Jun 20 06:36:58 astorm: no, there's a way for it to accumulate some very strange structure which is essentially unsolvable Jun 20 06:37:10 if you want to watch my n800s boot, i can show you Jun 20 06:37:14 yes, there is Jun 20 06:37:22 they take over a minute sitting at the boot screen Jun 20 06:37:26 hmmm Jun 20 06:37:30 intriguing Jun 20 06:37:33 astorm: i spoke w/ the guys who work on this stuff Jun 20 06:37:34 sounds like a bug Jun 20 06:37:46 their solution is "die jffs2 die" Jun 20 06:37:47 I actually need a compressed fs for MMC Jun 20 06:37:53 ntfs :) Jun 20 06:37:55 so JFFS2 is entirely out of scope Jun 20 06:37:57 but anyway... Jun 20 06:37:57 yeah right Jun 20 06:38:07 *working* FS ;P Jun 20 06:38:26 and a kernel with DVFS which doesn't crash before booting Jun 20 06:38:32 w/o DVFS, n810 dies after a day Jun 20 06:38:32 timeless: Can you give me your link about how to change autoconf of scratchbox? I cannot find it Jun 20 06:39:10 http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg15202.html Jun 20 06:39:24 timeless: Thx Jun 20 06:39:43 hrm, yeah you want message 3 in that thread, not 2 :) Jun 20 06:40:19 ameng: please don't take this the wrong way, but how did you search? Jun 20 06:40:31 he's wrong about python Jun 20 06:40:38 the versions are backwards compatible Jun 20 06:40:47 unless you don't have packages reinstalled Jun 20 06:40:48 not python 3 :) Jun 20 06:40:54 yes, not python 3 Jun 20 06:40:56 not sure who he is :) Jun 20 06:41:10 and that won't be linked /usr/bin/python in any short time, hopefully Jun 20 06:41:15 ameng: because a search http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=autoconf+maemo-developers&l=maemo-developers%40maemo.org yields the right fix Jun 20 06:42:56 timeless:ok Jun 20 06:48:18 Is there any way to kill the "presence" system tray icon? Jun 20 06:56:31 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/ is also a good interface for searching maemo-related stuffs Jun 20 06:58:20 trickie: Cool, thanks, I'll check it out Jun 20 06:58:42 trickie: oh, i'm not really advertising the service i picked, it's just the one google gave me when i searched Jun 20 06:58:57 as far as i'm concerned, if you aren't using google, you're doing everything wrong Jun 20 06:59:11 timeless: sure, i understand, maybe we should add a link to a mail archive in the subject Jun 20 06:59:26 the topic? last i checked it was *really* long Jun 20 06:59:31 so then you can just say 'google, or see subject' when someone asks for info in a thread Jun 20 06:59:50 yeah i know... just trying to find a way to not have to say the same ten times :) Jun 20 07:00:08 i'd be fine w/ dropping linuxtag and sticking something else in its place Jun 20 07:00:58 Anyone know what that icon is called, the one that shows my "presence" status? Jun 20 07:01:19 I dare say it disappears if I delete all my accounts Jun 20 07:01:24 chmac: yep Jun 20 07:01:27 thats what i do :) Jun 20 07:01:33 it annoys me also... Jun 20 07:01:41 i think it's called presence :) Jun 20 07:04:22 Hi ! Jun 20 07:04:58 is there someone here that have already use efl with python on maemo ? Jun 20 07:05:18 timeless: it seems it should be called "annoying presence", at least for trickie ;-) Jun 20 07:07:17 does canola source code is closed ? Jun 20 07:07:48 doesn't the package tell you that when you install it? Jun 20 07:07:50 well you can always file a enhancement request @ bugzilla, i just don't use IM on my nokia enough to warrant any whinging :) Jun 20 07:08:11 i just use google web apps instead Jun 20 07:08:27 anyone know if y! is available for n8x0? Jun 20 07:09:13 Khertan: the efl libs are open, canola specific code on top of that is closed Jun 20 07:09:34 some related apps/daemons are open though Jun 20 07:10:46 thx Jun 20 07:10:58 in fact i m trying to use efl Jun 20 07:11:12 in one of my apps Jun 20 07:11:35 but it seems that i can t dev on device Jun 20 07:12:09 as building a .edj file need edje_cc wich need gcc Jun 20 07:12:16 Khertan: you using the python bindings? should be able to with those Jun 20 07:12:17 ah ok Jun 20 07:12:23 i see Jun 20 07:12:57 and in the same time i trying to learn a bit more about efl so i m looking at the most example i can see Jun 20 07:12:57 Khertan: I see the package python-efl-utils_0.1.3-maemo3 ? Jun 20 07:13:17 And python-efl-core_0.9.1.042-maemo3 Jun 20 07:13:21 Khertan: can always use mamona :) Jun 20 07:13:35 mamona is heavily based on the efl libs Jun 20 07:13:48 x-fade > yes there is python binding Jun 20 07:13:51 and can get a recent-ish gcc on device Jun 20 07:14:09 but i cant build with this the edj file Jun 20 07:16:35 hmmm ok. Jun 20 07:16:46 connection could drop Jun 20 07:16:46 sorry Jun 20 07:16:46 i m in the train Jun 20 07:17:15 Khertan: oh, connected through GPRS? Jun 20 07:17:24 how much does it cost you? Jun 20 07:18:09 nothing as i use dns tunneling Jun 20 07:18:22 and so this isn't count Jun 20 07:18:27 oh Jun 20 07:18:31 :) Jun 20 07:18:32 Lol ;) Jun 20 07:18:46 else it s 1Euros for 1Mo Jun 20 07:19:13 now, I didn't know someone had already ported DNS tunnelling to the N8x0 family :-P Jun 20 07:19:18 or 69 euros for illimited data Jun 20 07:19:41 Wow, that is expensive. Jun 20 07:19:44 Khertan: are you from a Spanish-speaking country, by any chance? Jun 20 07:19:48 (just curious) Jun 20 07:19:59 no france :) Jun 20 07:20:16 price is shame too Jun 20 07:20:22 oh, that was another option (using illimited instead of unlimited pointed to it;-)) Jun 20 07:20:54 strange edje_cc claim that it can t found gcc Jun 20 07:21:13 but .edj file is built and work Jun 20 07:21:42 i ve now a iphone like scrolling widget working Jun 20 07:22:01 ha, well... cool! Jun 20 07:23:16 i m looking efl to make a usefull google synced contact application Jun 20 07:23:28 and made a better gui for mcalendar Jun 20 07:24:18 kinetic scrolling this is the name of a such scroll Jun 20 07:28:47 Khertan: well for efl related questions #edevelop is good, lots of 'in-the-know' helpful people there Jun 20 07:29:01 Khertan: or the indt guys also, i guess some lurk here too Jun 20 07:29:27 amazing .....never knew this channel existed Jun 20 07:29:30 freenode is amazing Jun 20 07:29:39 even though i hate defocus Jun 20 07:33:35 i ve also see a blog from a french guy that have made efl example Jun 20 07:33:35 and it say in his blog that he ve bought an n800 Jun 20 07:33:35 maybe i should ask him if he is interested by the project Jun 20 07:36:52 defocus ? Jun 20 07:37:13 just a channel i used to troll but have become ineffective at now Jun 20 07:38:13 i like to sit and contemplate my existence, drink beer, dream about killing my ex, skip my meds, call in sick to work, build stacks of matchsticks and fantasize about jailbait Jun 20 07:39:02 i do most of that without needing to be in an irc channel Jun 20 07:39:04 sometimes i count backwards from 6 to 0 repeatedly until i miss a number and than i force myself to do painful torturous things like duct taping my mouth shut and trying to lick my nose Jun 20 07:39:27 this is related to n800, i'm getting to it... Jun 20 07:39:53 lager is noteworthy because of yeast....yes...and yeast infections can be painful, just like erections that last more than 4 hours at a time... Jun 20 07:41:13 actually it isn't necessarily related to n800 other than randomly finding the channel on /list and looking at my nokia to my right and wishing i could reset to factory settings without having to flash it Jun 20 07:41:16 do you a gui that help to build .edc file like glade for gtk ? Jun 20 07:41:20 Traveler9: somehow I think you need to get back to the trolling academy for a refund. They have taught you nothing uselful. Jun 20 07:42:26 so if you can help me find a cheerleader with knee high white socks, a vagina made out of cotton candy and a smile that can cure bipolar disorder that would be just fine, thanks Jun 20 07:42:49 i've had eliza bots that are more effective at trolling Jun 20 07:43:17 my life is so fscked Jun 20 07:43:22 i wake up to kernel panic Jun 20 07:43:50 acydlord: I have had 5 year olds that are more effective at trolling XD Jun 20 07:44:04 where is the ignore option in maemo xchat ? Jun 20 07:44:22 800/5=160 Jun 20 07:44:38 doesnt /ignore work? Jun 20 07:44:46 *9=1440 Jun 20 07:44:52 found :) Jun 20 07:44:58 yes ! Jun 20 07:45:14 arg this doesn t work ! Jun 20 07:45:20 lol Jun 20 07:45:40 i hate you all and hope you burn in hell Jun 20 07:46:44 ignore worked fine for me Jun 20 07:46:49 unless he had an anurism Jun 20 07:47:09 a horribly misspelled one Jun 20 07:48:58 do you a gui that help to build .edc file like glade for gtk ? Jun 20 07:49:09 +a know Jun 20 07:50:15 i dont know of any Jun 20 07:50:25 i havent played around with edc yet =x Jun 20 07:51:50 it seem s to be a great thing to make nice gui Jun 20 07:52:34 as u can see i m playing with it since 30min Jun 20 07:52:36 :) Jun 20 07:55:27 Khertan: i have never used one, but i think there are Jun 20 07:55:33 it seems there is a edje_editor Jun 20 07:55:38 ye Jun 20 07:55:54 but not yet port to maemo :( Jun 20 07:58:27 i ve ported glade so why not edje_editor :) Jun 20 07:58:50 for sure :) Jun 20 07:58:52 would be handy Jun 20 08:03:33 bye Jun 20 08:12:38 Anyone familiar with Canola? Jun 20 08:13:52 Spaceman-N810: #canola Jun 20 08:14:31 Tried there, its dead Jun 20 08:15:03 Spaceman-N810: well most of those guys are in brazil Jun 20 08:15:10 so probably asleep Jun 20 08:15:16 Ah Jun 20 08:15:19 Thanks Jun 20 08:15:22 np Jun 20 08:25:05 Ok, im back, i already asked this in pidgin and they sent me back here... How do i make pidgin emit a sound for received messages all the time, not just when the window is focused? Jun 20 08:28:54 Uncheck "sounds when conversation has focus" Jun 20 08:31:22 But then does that completely disable sounds Deka or enable them outside of window focus? Jun 20 08:31:35 The latter, I think Jun 20 08:32:39 thx Jun 20 08:35:29 lcuk_: sound like you were right Jun 20 08:35:41 lcuk_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Jun 20 08:36:16 lcuk_: I know, I should send emails during the day :) Jun 20 08:39:16 lardman: That is no news from what you were told in Berlin ;) Jun 20 08:39:31 X-Fade: I heard it a different way Jun 20 08:39:42 X-Fade: wishful thinking on my part I expect Jun 20 08:40:00 lardman: And is this really a x-server bug anyway? :) Jun 20 08:40:44 No, I don't think so, but iirc the x-server needs a patch to work with the powervr... Jun 20 08:42:29 lardman: And I thought that a definitive answer was going to be given at the summit? Jun 20 08:43:36 X-Fade: That was also my thought; but now I'm not sure if that's to be an answer about future platforms Jun 20 08:43:46 * lardman is confused Jun 20 08:43:51 happens in the morning ;) Jun 20 08:44:10 lardman: I think that Daniel doesn't know that plan ;) Jun 20 08:44:45 X-Fade: ok, that's fine. I was going to reply, but I'll leave it be for the time being (but know that I'm still keen, and no so keen on having to rev eng the thing) Jun 20 08:45:12 X-Fade: yeah but he would know if they are planning a driver etc for the existing devices, i would guess anyway Jun 20 08:45:26 trickie: There is a working driver already Jun 20 08:45:32 trickie: And do you think we has allowed to tell you about that? :) Jun 20 08:45:39 *he Jun 20 08:46:11 X-Fade: no, but going out of his way to say there are no plans is not the same as saying there is plans Jun 20 08:46:22 if that sentence even makes sense :) Jun 20 08:46:27 trickie: I think he may have gone off half cocked Jun 20 08:46:39 anyway, im not whinging... just interested to see what happens Jun 20 08:46:39 and is now trying to patch the problem Jun 20 08:46:44 :) Jun 20 08:46:46 lardman: Btw, did you read the post by one indt guy about 3d having the same tearing problems? Jun 20 08:47:02 X-Fade: I remember seeing it, yes Jun 20 08:47:27 X-Fade: but that's expected I suppose, depending on how much data we're trying to push to the lcd controller Jun 20 08:47:43 I'm still thinking there is also a technical difficuty besides the driver etc. Jun 20 08:47:47 lardman: the driver was the one that kate said she had looked at? but it was messy or something and they didn't have the IP on it or something Jun 20 08:48:03 or am i mistaken Jun 20 08:48:26 yeah that's the one Jun 20 08:48:32 messy and crashes iirc Jun 20 08:49:24 lardman: Well, that is obviously not something you want to put on your consumer devices then. Jun 20 08:50:13 X-Fade: Absolutely, and that's why I was talking about developers having access to alpha/beta software... :) Jun 20 08:50:33 lardman: Oh, yeah that would be sweet ;) Jun 20 08:50:40 yeah that would be cool, some sort of develop program, where you sign away your right to whinge about broken devices :) Jun 20 08:50:41 id be in Jun 20 08:50:49 :) Jun 20 08:56:45 I don't suppose anyone knows a web page/site which gives the mathematical derivation going from a simple DCT equation to an integer implementation? Jun 20 08:57:00 lardman, let me check Jun 20 08:57:13 lardman: What, what, what? :) Jun 20 08:57:42 gomiam, X-Fade: Am trying to get my head around the SBC implementation, and comparing it to what is says in the spec, so I can write some DSP optimisations Jun 20 08:57:45 do you want it in C or something else? Jun 20 08:57:59 gomiam: doesn't matter really, C ideally though Jun 20 08:58:43 anyone else having problems svn committing to garage projects? i can extract just fine, just not committ Jun 20 08:59:01 what error do you get? Jun 20 08:59:23 none, it just stalls on commit Jun 20 08:59:35 re checked out the project, tried again, same problem Jun 20 08:59:57 had a PROPFIND 302 Found problem at some point too Jun 20 09:00:06 lardman: could http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Debuggers/Framewave-36409.shtml be a pointer to it? Jun 20 09:00:09 lardman: If I read things like this, I really find out that I'm bad at math ;) http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node231.html Jun 20 09:01:33 X-Fade: That describes what a DCT is, thanks, but I'm after what twekery people do to get it running quickly in integer form Jun 20 09:02:13 timeless: http://rafb.net/p/pBHBV832.html <- from a totally different machine, just checked out project Jun 20 09:02:14 gomiam: I have a feeling that will be nicely optimised code, but still no idea how it gets to that point Jun 20 09:02:26 lardman: yeah, I know. Jun 20 09:02:31 I guess I'll have to sit down with a pencil and see what it's doing Jun 20 09:02:39 mmm... oh, you want to know how and why they do each optimization Jun 20 09:02:46 now that's a lot of documentation ;-) Jun 20 09:04:09 gomiam: yeah, are there courses about that stuff? Jun 20 09:04:20 no idea, sorry. Jun 20 09:04:34 Ah, better is to look at the svn history and hope the first commit wasn't made by an optimisation guru; fingers crossed Jun 20 09:04:48 timeless: and /test2.txt is obviously 404 Jun 20 09:06:54 my mind has gone blank, can anyone remember what the sbc encoder used to be called before it was merged into Bluez-utils? Jun 20 09:07:29 ah, libsbc Jun 20 09:12:56 ah good, that has worked Jun 20 09:13:04 far less bitshifting trickery in there Jun 20 09:41:57 Re Jun 20 09:43:54 good morning Jun 20 09:44:12 Morning florian Jun 20 09:48:00 Isn't good do an 'apt-get update' followed by an 'apt-get upgrade' ? Jun 20 09:49:40 I've just done it and my n800 reboot continuosly :-( Jun 20 09:49:52 L0c|e51: mmm... you will need to reflash it then Jun 20 09:50:00 you probably upgraded too many things Jun 20 09:50:10 I got burned once like that Jun 20 09:50:14 and now I'm paranoid Jun 20 09:50:27 does the housekeeper have shutdown electricity power on repository.maemo.org ? Jun 20 09:50:31 Hi ! Jun 20 09:50:43 I check most of the upgrades' sources before installing them. Jun 20 09:50:59 (sources: read repositories, via apt-cache policy packagename) Jun 20 09:51:29 Khertan: Works for me? Jun 20 09:52:13 I don't think the server is closed for 'Juhannus' ;) Jun 20 09:56:41 Sigh Jun 20 09:57:01 So i must reflash... Jun 20 09:58:55 No way to reset my n800 without pc ? Jun 20 09:59:35 L0c|e51: not that I know of. Jun 20 10:00:11 I'm on vacation :-( Jun 20 10:09:29 http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=A_Floppy_named_lsadkfjalhkjh.txt Jun 20 10:09:45 ^ why modality is useful, sadly people here are only now starting to learn that lesson Jun 20 10:23:32 re Jun 20 10:33:37 andre? Jun 20 10:33:43 yes? Jun 20 10:33:59 you're really on track with reading mail it seems :) Jun 20 10:34:16 i'm actually current! Jun 20 10:34:23 i haven't been current in um... Jun 20 10:34:27 i can't remember being current Jun 20 10:34:33 heh Jun 20 10:35:06 which means i have time to yell and scream at a bunch of api/ui spec authors Jun 20 10:35:09 public and private Jun 20 10:35:15 so, why did i want to ping you Jun 20 10:35:19 oh yes, you're bug jar, right? Jun 20 10:35:25 could you please create a blog for bug jar Jun 20 10:35:43 so that those of us who've unsubscribed from maemo-devel can still read your bug jar Jun 20 10:36:01 haven't sent any public ones yet, still discussing the format and requirements Jun 20 10:36:10 ? Jun 20 10:36:19 api/ui spec is unrelated to this Jun 20 10:36:31 i just want to be able to subscribe to an rss feed for bug jar Jun 20 10:36:39 just the same content that you currently send to maemo-devel Jun 20 10:36:54 again: i haven't send content to maemo-devel :-) Jun 20 10:36:58 stephen gadsby sends a weekly bug jar Jun 20 10:37:03 which is quite cool btw Jun 20 10:37:05 ok, pass the request to him :) Jun 20 10:37:16 sorry, clearly my memory isn't perfect :) Jun 20 10:38:08 hehe... give me another two weeks to improve the format and to talk to stephen (i don't want to offend contributors by stealing them work) Jun 20 10:38:26 * timeless shrugs Jun 20 10:38:32 that's two weeks i'm not reading bug jars Jun 20 10:38:49 timeless: It is posted on itt too ;) Jun 20 10:38:53 they are on itt too Jun 20 10:38:55 yupp :) Jun 20 10:38:57 grrr Jun 20 10:39:00 heh Jun 20 10:39:16 andre: x-fade knows how much i hate itt, and is just rubbing it at me Jun 20 10:39:19 i don't know if you do Jun 20 10:40:00 woohoo, garage xref finished (no idea when, i suppose i could read the logs) Jun 20 10:40:01 timeless: Google -> site:lists.maemo.org bug jar Jun 20 10:40:05 haha. i try to read it regularly though there's still plenty of chance to improve my behaviour :) Jun 20 10:40:15 am i not the only one disliking itt? Jun 20 10:40:19 x-fade: yeah yeah Jun 20 10:40:34 inz: definitely not, but have you unsubscribed from maemo-devel? Jun 20 10:40:40 * timeless smiles Jun 20 10:40:50 my workstation has 51g of free space (and growing) Jun 20 10:40:59 it was just about out of space a week ago Jun 20 10:41:28 timeless: you've been pruning your pr0n^H^H^H^Hanime collection? Jun 20 10:41:37 his pr0n == anime Jun 20 10:41:43 ah Jun 20 10:41:45 hentai :) Jun 20 10:41:49 aquatix: no, i have weekly source xrefs Jun 20 10:41:54 like mxr.maemo.org/chinook/ Jun 20 10:41:58 but for the entire product Jun 20 10:42:06 at this point, they're about 1.2g per week Jun 20 10:42:09 ah, ouch Jun 20 10:42:09 and i'm not losing data Jun 20 10:42:34 i'm just asking my os to cooperate w/ its file system to recognize when data is the same Jun 20 10:42:41 and only retain one copy of the bits Jun 20 10:42:48 cool Jun 20 10:42:53 automatic hardlinking Jun 20 10:42:54 so 1.2gb becomes a delta of <400m Jun 20 10:43:00 * aquatix needs to find out how to do that too Jun 20 10:43:00 something like that, yeah Jun 20 10:43:04 zfs :) Jun 20 10:43:08 ah! Jun 20 10:43:11 myeah Jun 20 10:43:12 timeless, no, I have not Jun 20 10:43:27 timeless, if I did that, I'd get around 2 hams/week Jun 20 10:43:32 ~timeless/bin/rsync -a --inplace --del -c diablo-38/ nokia-maemo && time zfs snapshot root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo@diablo-38 && time zfs rename root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38 root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38-old && time zfs clone root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/nokia-maemo@diablo-38 root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38 && time zfs destroy root_pool/home/svn/lxr-root/lxr-data/diablo-38-old Jun 20 10:43:41 is basically what i do Jun 20 10:43:48 although the number 38 is contrived Jun 20 10:43:58 * timeless is still archiving chinook Jun 20 10:46:06 * timeless should try to fix the paths someday, since that stuff isn't svn managed Jun 20 10:54:59 I installed canola2 on OS2008, and I can't find any clue of using daap share to listen to the music on my laptop Jun 20 10:55:31 I saw some pictures, they have "shared music" column, which I don't have on my N800 Jun 20 10:57:17 Hi ... again :) Jun 20 11:02:21 hello Jun 20 11:04:04 hi dennis_mips Jun 20 11:04:16 ssvb: ping Jun 20 11:04:30 hi lardman Jun 20 11:04:40 did you see my second email about the patch? Jun 20 11:05:01 iirc the kernel on the n8x0 lies about the framebuffer size Jun 20 11:05:34 I need some advice: I want to use alsa for a sound application, but none of the examples from http://equalarea.com/paul/alsa-audio.html do wrok. When using default for the device name, I get: device or resource busy and for plughw:0,0 : cannot open audio device plughw:0,0 (No such file or directory) Jun 20 11:05:48 is there a video capture app to capture screen on nit ? Jun 20 11:06:12 lardman: that was just nitpicking :) your patch obviously makes some part of code redundant and this looks a bit suspicious Jun 20 11:06:56 ssvb: I'll have another look at the code and see what was happening; I guess I should really fix the code that specifies the framebuffer size so it's correct for that fn Jun 20 11:07:35 does alsa work with cinook ? Jun 20 11:07:42 the give-away would be if we see that message in dmesg on a standard machine Jun 20 11:07:47 dennis_mips: yes Jun 20 11:08:03 dennis_mips: what are you trying to do? Jun 20 11:09:06 ssvb: Do you have any pointer for how to comvert DCT into optimised code? Jun 20 11:10:42 lardman: there is c55x image library, it is in '-l$(CCS_DIR)/ccs221_content/c5500/imglib/55ximagex.lib' Jun 20 11:11:08 lardman: I am just trying to capture sound from the mic and then try to output it on the speakers Jun 20 11:11:10 ssvb: yeah, this is for audio, I know there is dsplib but I'm trying to work out what the sbc code is doing first Jun 20 11:11:23 bye Jun 20 11:12:43 dennis_mips: what about gstreamer? Jun 20 11:13:26 first I have written some code myself, but it doesn't work, because snd_pcm_open fails with the above error and then I just used the examples from the alsa tutorials, but I get the same error Jun 20 11:13:40 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-recorder/ Jun 20 11:14:49 lardman: to heavy and there is just one element to get to the raw audio data for encryption etc. Jun 20 11:15:08 I meant use the code Jun 20 11:15:08 * timeless grumbles Jun 20 11:15:11 this is a really lame readme: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/vmcontents/README?root=maemovmware&view=annotate Jun 20 11:15:15 lardman : I meant too heavy Jun 20 11:15:32 timeless: :/ Jun 20 11:15:33 I take a look at it ... thnx Jun 20 11:15:52 does it work on a n810, because there is just a port for n800 Jun 20 11:16:02 aquatix: i'm doing spot checks of the next mxr.maemo.org/garage push Jun 20 11:16:09 dennis_mips: Should work fine as it uses gstreamer Jun 20 11:16:31 timeless: i guess you aren't getting happier from it ;) Jun 20 11:16:58 mxr is functioning properly Jun 20 11:17:09 it's just garbage in, garbage out Jun 20 11:17:17 *g* Jun 20 11:19:38 lardman: i need a function in my program which capotures the data from the mic and then process this adata ... this needs to be done in realtime for a communication that's why I can't use another progarmm and gstreamer is a bit heavy Jun 20 11:20:01 doess a program exists which is based on alsa so I can take a look at their sourcecode ? Jun 20 11:20:55 I've no idea, there's a plugin for Python, but they all use a DSP task to read the data from the mic afaik, so you'll probably have to hack together an interface to the task if you don't use gstreamer Jun 20 11:21:45 lardman: what exactly is a dsp taks ? Jun 20 11:21:54 a task which runs on the DSP Jun 20 11:22:48 do you mean this: http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/ for example ? Jun 20 11:23:18 yes, it uses the dspgateway Jun 20 11:23:39 dennis_mips: what do you want to do with your audio data then? Jun 20 11:24:47 lardman: I need to encrypt it for a secure communication with another maemo device Jun 20 11:26:20 it is for a university project and they told us to use alsa or gstreamer and my group decided to go with alsa and now we're kind in a mess Jun 20 11:26:47 :) Jun 20 11:26:54 can you simply open /dev/dsp? Jun 20 11:27:10 lardman: I double that any clever decoder optimizations can help if slow memory accesses eat all the resources Jun 20 11:27:58 ssvb_: I think it's the decoder which is slowing things down actually, not the memory accesses Jun 20 11:28:01 lardman: have you tried putting as much of the critical data into internal memory (buffers on stack and allocated with malloc) Jun 20 11:28:13 ssvb_: no, not yet Jun 20 11:28:14 lardman: why are you getting such idea? Jun 20 11:28:33 lardman: /dev/dsp doesn't exist on our n810, just /dev/dsptaskX X={0,...,20} Jun 20 11:28:53 lardman: my benchmarks showed that memory performance is really horrible, slowing down code up to 10x factor Jun 20 11:28:56 ssvb_: I may allocate the coefficient tables there, and I probably need to rewrite the actual working code, which currently seems to use lots of bit shifts, to use intrinsics instead Jun 20 11:28:56 someone have shutdown maemo repository ? Jun 20 11:29:13 ssvb_: Ok, I'll move the data if possible Jun 20 11:29:15 lardman: so the number crunching part is irrelevant Jun 20 11:29:25 dennis_mips: ok, so you can't read raw data like that then Jun 20 11:29:54 ssvb_: performing the copies, but not doing the crunching speeds up the code by ~2x Jun 20 11:30:16 ssvb_: though I see what you're saying, I'll try moving the working data to internal memory Jun 20 11:30:21 lardman: what device does gstreame use ? Jun 20 11:30:23 lardman: also memcpy is slow Jun 20 11:30:41 ssvb_: That was my nect question, is there a point where it's not worth doing the move? Jun 20 11:30:50 lardman: it copies data using 16-bit memory accesses Jun 20 11:30:54 dennis_mips: You can't access it directly, one of the pcm ones Jun 20 11:31:14 ssvb_: ah ok, so do a cast pointer copy instead then is faster Jun 20 11:31:28 lardman: copying 32-bit data will improve performance twice, but data needs to be 32-bit aligned Jun 20 11:31:44 ssvb_: that can be done with a #pragma iirc Jun 20 11:32:08 huhu the macosx ardagent have just been published Jun 20 11:32:08 lol Jun 20 11:32:14 1 years later ! Jun 20 11:32:34 lardman: memcpy has a generic code which does 16-bit copies and it is perfectly fine for DARAM/SARAM Jun 20 11:32:52 lardman: but it is nonoptimal for external SDRAM memory Jun 20 11:33:41 ssvb_: Ok, thanks Jun 20 11:33:53 so does a maemo package for gstreamer-plugins-bad exists ? Jun 20 11:36:08 dennis_mips: You already have the required plugins on the device, look and see what the maemo-recorder code does Jun 20 11:36:29 dennis_mips: or did you want to interface with the dsp task directly? Jun 20 11:36:44 lardman: copying with 'void memcpy32(uint32_t *dst, uint32_t *src, int count) { while (--count >= 0) { *dst++ = *src++; } }' is the fastest what I could get Jun 20 11:36:46 dennis_mips: in which case you will have troubles as there's a missing header Jun 20 11:36:47 * lcuk_ grumbles and curses about having second hybrid engine in car but not able to use it Jun 20 11:36:59 * lcuk_ hunts for his screwdriver Jun 20 11:37:28 ssvb_: looks good, that's what I meant by pointer copying Jun 20 11:37:40 lardman: and it makes sense moving data to internal memory using this memcpy32 function, process it there and write results back to sdram Jun 20 11:38:03 lardman, i did see the clarification, at least we know totally now Jun 20 11:38:17 ssvb_: I probably need to read in 256 8bit bytes, and write out ~73 8bit bytes Jun 20 11:39:02 ssvb_, have you looked at optimising to use double precision memory copies or even the SIMD ASM instructions? Jun 20 11:39:04 lardman: yes, I just posted this code to be sure that we understand each other Jun 20 11:39:22 (i considered it for my blit but never got round to it) Jun 20 11:39:56 lcuk_: I'm not sure there are SIMD memory copy instructions Jun 20 11:40:07 lcuk_: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/fastmem-arm9/?root=mplayer Jun 20 11:40:32 lcuk_: that's the best what I could get Jun 20 11:41:34 lcuk_: I don't think that double precision floating point memory copy instructions would change performance much, but I can try it Jun 20 11:41:53 lardman: I "only" need to find a way to get raw audio data from the microphone and send them to the soundcard for output later on ... Jun 20 11:43:13 ssvb_: spru376a.pdf ch 3.4.4 Using Long Data Accesses for 16-Bit Data Jun 20 11:43:23 lardman: yes Jun 20 11:43:24 I would love if the n800 could record to mp3 :P dunno if that is possible though Jun 20 11:44:21 the more i play with maemo mapper, the more i find that a quick way to manually download tiles for whatever area is on screen at the moment would be perfect. having to dig into the meny, a sub menu and then a dialog vindow is just silly when all you want to do is hit ok on that dialog window... Jun 20 11:44:32 dennis_mips: only :D, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/g/gst-plugins-dsp0.10/ enjoy Jun 20 11:46:24 dennis_mips: They will not build as they lack a header; look at how ssvb has managed to get the mp3sink to work with mplayer (see the Garage project) to get an idea of what you might need, perhaps Jun 20 11:52:39 morning Jun 20 12:17:56 andre/sp3000, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2676 i don't see a survey link on the os2008 site Jun 20 12:17:59 do you? Jun 20 12:19:26 It was there last week. Jun 20 12:19:45 me neither Jun 20 12:20:09 I took it, but it had javascript based for submits and it timed out halfway into the survey. Jun 20 12:20:22 *form submits. Jun 20 12:20:29 anyone know offhand the thread on ITT about setting the default media player to mplayer? Jun 20 12:21:58 hit 4 on my results for http://www.google.fi/search?q=thread+on+ITT+about+setting+the+default+media+player+to+mplayer%3F seems relevant Jun 20 12:22:08 timeless: The survey is still there on the os2008 page. Jun 20 12:22:26 lol i should have googled my exact question Jun 20 12:22:32 It is the banner under 'Make your voice heard!' Jun 20 12:22:34 the google searches I tried all failed :P Jun 20 12:22:38 X-Fade, URL? :) Jun 20 12:22:40 ah Jun 20 12:22:42 yes, googling questions on irc verbatim is a fun game :P Jun 20 12:23:02 andre___: use a N810 to go to the os2008 page. Jun 20 12:23:12 yeah, just did. thanks :) Jun 20 12:23:20 does that require images? Jun 20 12:23:27 * timeless doesn't OCR pictures Jun 20 12:24:11 indeed it does Jun 20 12:24:30 http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/exp_survey.xhtml Jun 20 12:24:40 um Jun 20 12:24:49 the survey can't even spell 770 correctly Jun 20 12:24:56 did anyone yell at someone about that? Jun 20 12:28:15 sp3000: hrm, this isn't actually the exact thing i was looking for, i remember doing it by hand before... but this looks very interesting and I will probably end up using it :) Jun 20 12:30:53 argh I'm in a white screen boot/reboot loop on the n810 - ideas or links to fix appreciated Jun 20 12:31:02 I have removed battery etc Jun 20 12:33:46 corq-FL: which version of OS2008? Jun 20 12:33:54 if it's older than 2007.50, upgrade Jun 20 12:34:07 lardman: looks it is some special day, got freezes twice on my laptop :( Jun 20 12:34:20 * timeless ponders Jun 20 12:34:28 has anyone here posted the quick start guide? Jun 20 12:34:32 i want to browse through it :) Jun 20 12:34:39 latest I believe but I'm trying to see if I can get into re-flash mode now Jun 20 12:34:58 you should be able to Jun 20 12:35:07 hold the home key while powering the tablet up Jun 20 12:35:47 I see the usb symbol and the boot screen getting no further, I don't have the pc flash software loaded here tho Jun 20 12:35:58 good Jun 20 12:36:02 so you can flash no Jun 20 12:36:03 *now Jun 20 12:36:16 download either windows flasher (poor) or linux one Jun 20 12:36:48 ssvb, unaligned access on 810 doesnt seem to hamr it that much, i drop roughly 1/2 frame total if everything starts unaligned Jun 20 12:36:56 ok I've done that before I've just never had white screen, thought I'd hosed the thing Jun 20 12:37:06 and the blit routine i have still shows me wanting to fix unaligned http://pastebin.ca/1051877 Jun 20 12:37:15 I feel better now, I don't mind a flash "cleaning" now and then ;) Jun 20 12:37:34 AStorm, thx :) Jun 20 12:37:47 lcuk_: what kind of unaligned access? Jun 20 12:38:06 32bit memory copies on unaligned boundaries Jun 20 12:38:21 yeah, that case is fast in arm Jun 20 12:38:31 due to thumb CPU optimizations Jun 20 12:38:38 it's quite good at unaligned accesses Jun 20 12:39:16 yer, at first i was worried and wrote my blit exclusively for aligned but during testing realised it wasnt that big a deal (used to 68k which would crawl Jun 20 12:39:18 AStorm: how fast is it on 810 in MB/s? Jun 20 12:39:37 ssvb: speed of what? Jun 20 12:39:47 unaligned accesses? would have to check Jun 20 12:39:51 AStorm: speed of memory copy Jun 20 12:39:54 you should only lose like, 10-15% Jun 20 12:40:17 AStorm, that ties in with what ive seen Jun 20 12:40:36 AStorm: the fastest performance for copying memory that you can get is ~140MB/s Jun 20 12:41:08 AStorm: if you are only 10-15% slower than 50MB/s for example, your code is suboptimal :) Jun 20 12:41:23 what if you fillup regs or use simd? Jun 20 12:42:10 or is that the actual hardware memory controller top speed Jun 20 12:42:52 ssvb: no, not that low :) Jun 20 12:43:03 lcuk_: hmm, never tried simd Jun 20 12:43:20 well it is designed for this :) Jun 20 12:43:23 ssvb: although, I only got like 110 MB/s (rough estimate from number of iterations) Jun 20 12:43:33 i just dont have knowledge yet of asm Jun 20 12:44:41 lcuk_: the code fragment you have posted is really horrible from the performance point of view Jun 20 12:45:01 ssvb, xv colorplane copying, its async isnt it - i noticed when i did first test with image blitting. the greys go over first then the colorplanes. i really need to see what i can get out of using direct omapfb Jun 20 12:45:36 it got me over 25fps at full resolution so i stopped optimizing :) Jun 20 12:45:43 lcuk_: yes, xv is async Jun 20 12:48:59 the 2 areas that could be optimized easily using asm was tricky to get c to cast and increment by the correct amount so i reverted to numeric increments.. Jun 20 12:50:19 lcuk_: you don't need asm to optimize this code, the first change would be to get rid of switch in the inner loop Jun 20 12:50:29 thanks for the help ! Jun 20 12:50:42 / eventually do this with a -- to remove the constants: if(!(dx--)){ ... } Jun 20 12:50:51 i know... Jun 20 12:50:58 lcuk_: I mean you con optimize it a lot even without asm Jun 20 12:52:25 what i could do in 68k i was having trouble making gcc compile, i could have done move.l (a0)+,(a1)+ for 32bit, followed immediately by move.w (a0)+,(a1)+ for 16bit etc but doing postinc on the casted values gave me errors about lvalues Jun 20 12:53:12 *(unsigned char *)dstdataptr++ = *(unsigned char *)srcdataptr ; would be filled with fail no matter how i tried to coax it Jun 20 12:53:43 (replace char with the short/int longer variations) Jun 20 12:54:14 lcuk_: it is not a big deal, gcc will generate postincrement instructions anyway even for your current code Jun 20 12:55:20 but will it postinc by the original data size (byte) or by the casted size (int) - i think i could only get it incrementing by chars Jun 20 12:56:18 lcuk_: it can postincrement by any constant value (well, there is some limit, but it is much higher than any standard data type size) Jun 20 12:56:54 lcuk_: your problem is a switch in the inner loop and load-use pipeline stalls Jun 20 12:57:19 lcuk_: just unrolling the loop in a normal way will solve all the problems Jun 20 12:57:20 -o2 removes most of that Jun 20 12:57:32 dennis_mips: You got it working then? Jun 20 12:57:37 there is no problem though - it is rapid Jun 20 12:58:04 it would be more rapider i agree but i couldnt solve the postinc thing Jun 20 13:00:14 lcuk_: you don't need so solve postinc problem, it does not exist Jun 20 13:00:51 cpy(char *dest,char *src){ *(int *)dest++ = *(int *)src++; } incriments src and dest by 1 byte instead of expected 4 bytes (if i remember rightly) Jun 20 13:01:09 lcuk_: the compiler generates instructions like this 'ldr r3, [r2], #4'/'str r3, [lr], #4' Jun 20 13:01:57 ill double check when i get home but i couldnt force the 4 bytes (hence the constants in the fragment) Jun 20 13:02:00 lcuk_: just don't invent funny code and use '*(int *)dest = *(int *)src; dst += 4; src += 4;' Jun 20 13:02:38 thats what i do.. Jun 20 13:03:18 but i alweays thought adding constants into the code made for MUCH slower than just using the postinc instructions built into the move opcode Jun 20 13:03:33 lcuk_: that's why I tell that postincrement problem does not exist for you Jun 20 13:03:55 lcuk_: we have optimizing compilers and this optimization is trivial Jun 20 13:04:13 :) ok then, well ill do my todo and remove the already optimized out switch block Jun 20 13:04:26 lcuk_: on the other hand, the compiler can't get rid of your switch efficiently and performance suffers Jun 20 13:05:14 sp3000: ay near HEL? Jun 20 13:05:49 thx ssvb, ill see if it makes a diff will post numbers later Jun 20 13:08:05 lcuk_: you need to just do something like 'while ((size -= 8) >= 0) { copy 8 bytes }; size += 8; while (size-- > 0) { copy 1 byte }' Jun 20 13:08:13 timeless: yeah in hel Jun 20 13:08:22 well, espoo Jun 20 13:08:34 but, hel in spirit Jun 20 13:09:04 lcuk_: you can replace 8 with any other constant, benchmarking which one is faster Jun 20 13:09:18 i'm having lunch across from work :/ Jun 20 13:09:48 it's going to take an hour to scp a dvd iso from my laptop to swift Jun 20 13:10:14 it's getting maybe 1.5mbps on a 100mb link Jun 20 13:10:24 ssvb, yer ive unrolled the rectdraw function in a similar manner, thanks. back later Jun 20 13:12:06 unless you're specifically looking for someone to sneeze on your food, I'll pass :P Jun 20 13:13:45 wow, that's ...slow Jun 20 13:16:01 * sp3000 beats hardy's 30-metric-aliases.conf into submission and can read the web again without having to first untangle the poor characters from each other Jun 20 13:20:05 lardman: btw, have you tries '-vcore=3' optimization option for DSP? Jun 20 13:20:23 ssvb: I've not seen that one Jun 20 13:20:29 lardman: damn typos, s/tries/tried Jun 20 13:20:30 ssvb: where did you find it? Jun 20 13:20:39 does metric aliases break 1k=1024? Jun 20 13:20:40 :) I know the feeling Jun 20 13:21:14 don't think so :) Jun 20 13:21:32 raaaaaahhhh someone have problem to connecting repository.maemo.org ? Jun 20 13:21:39 but it does map helvetica to something that renders like crap in fx, instead of admitting not having one Jun 20 13:21:53 i can get thing from my wmware image from any other repository ... but not the *.maemo.org Jun 20 13:22:04 lardman: spru281 Jun 20 13:22:27 lardman: that's something like -mcpu/-march from gcc Jun 20 13:22:43 yep, found it Jun 20 13:22:49 do we know which core version we have? Jun 20 13:24:31 lardman: do you remember the link to some rev3 c55x discussion I have posted earlier? Jun 20 13:24:33 Khertan: no Jun 20 13:24:54 at least my browser doesn't Jun 20 13:25:12 have trouble talking to rmo Jun 20 13:25:58 ssvb: Not off the top of my head, but I can find it, or just compile some code to ask the DSP what rev it is. No problem Jun 20 13:26:02 hum ... so it s from my isp Jun 20 13:42:57 what are the apps I need to prevent to start (and what other modifications do I need) if I don't want any of the maemo user interface on n800 to start ? ;) Jun 20 13:45:09 pusling: you might be interested in debian for internet tablets Jun 20 13:46:09 Stskeeps: I am in the long run, but right now, I am just using the base system. Jun 20 13:46:23 *nod* Jun 20 13:46:59 we're making installer for the tablet atm with the goal to "do it right", so you can install using the tablet only, and get any level of functionality you want Jun 20 13:47:39 Stskeeps: really? cool! Jun 20 13:49:08 summatusmentis: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-installer.JPG Jun 20 13:49:32 instead of the huge tar.gz Jun 20 13:51:44 got it at console fb stage atm Jun 20 13:53:39 Stskeeps: very nice. I don't like huge tarballs, my internet bites Jun 20 13:53:57 also, putty? really? Just install linux on your desktop :) Jun 20 13:54:08 summatusmentis: meh, work related :P Jun 20 13:54:13 lol Jun 20 13:55:01 i use nexenta/opensolaris on my server, xp on my desktop(s), linux on my wireless router, freebsd on dorm servers, so i think i'm covered Jun 20 13:55:46 dorm servers? Jun 20 13:55:57 like, servers in your dorm? Jun 20 13:56:14 yeah, 1000 people dorm and i admin the servers here :P Jun 20 13:56:24 oh, cool :) Jun 20 13:57:23 http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-post-bootstrap.JPG and http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian-alldone.JPG as well Jun 20 13:57:55 yawn Jun 20 13:59:19 question: how do i enter a WEP hex password on the n800? can it be done? Jun 20 13:59:38 and good morning to all Jun 20 14:01:44 well... it's morning anyway Jun 20 14:01:53 true that Jun 20 14:02:10 any idea on the wep hex password issue? Jun 20 14:02:28 nope, I live in the boonies, we don't encrypt our wireless Jun 20 14:02:38 haha lucky for you i guess Jun 20 14:02:54 well, I don't know... Jun 20 14:02:54 im in atlanta Jun 20 14:03:08 eating tofu Jun 20 14:03:15 not really Jun 20 14:03:40 tofu == win Jun 20 14:05:03 yay! Jun 20 14:06:09 well, someone contact me if you can tell me how i can enter a WEP hex password! Jun 20 14:06:31 churl: i think the only trick is that you're only supposed to use one of uppercase or lowercase Jun 20 14:06:35 and i can't remember which :) Jun 20 14:06:35 it doesn't just work in the gui? Jun 20 14:06:51 the system will figure out if it's hex or ascii based on the password length Jun 20 14:09:15 cool, ill wack at it again Jun 20 14:10:31 *wacking Jun 20 14:11:24 erm... make sure you clean up afterwards... Jun 20 14:12:38 i gave up on that years ago, just accept the filth Jun 20 14:12:50 lol Jun 20 14:13:46 hmm still no luck: internet connection failed. unable to retrieve IP address from server. wep key may be incorrect. try again? Jun 20 14:13:55 the key works fine on my linux box Jun 20 14:14:13 c0ffee4123 Jun 20 14:14:46 where do you live again? Jun 20 14:15:26 summa: Do you really have to ask? Jun 20 14:15:53 Georgia, US Jun 20 14:15:57 oh hrr Jun 20 14:16:50 me too! Jun 20 14:17:19 i read that entering a 36 digit hex key from the router can work Jun 20 14:18:36 now to just figure out how to get that...... Jun 20 14:27:00 atlanta! Jun 20 14:40:56 what triggers "mount events" during boot ? Jun 20 14:41:07 or - how do I ensure that my mmc card gets mounted ? Jun 20 14:42:00 Churl: you still use wep?? Jun 20 14:42:46 im at a coffee shop, ill leave mine unlocked Jun 20 14:42:52 hrw: And we know the key, too! Jun 20 14:43:52 RST38h: only ssid is lacking Jun 20 14:44:20 I am sure his AP advertises it =) Jun 20 14:45:08 ;D Jun 20 14:46:54 yay! Jun 20 14:46:58 hey, does the partial update stuff (always) demand / force a reboot? Jun 20 14:47:53 sp3000: depends Jun 20 14:48:45 want the ssid? Jun 20 14:48:58 RST38h: so it either does or doesn't case by case? Jun 20 14:49:57 anyone with a relative pristine n800 that can do ls /etc/rc2.d/ and pastebin the output ? ;) Jun 20 14:50:05 sp3000: yes Jun 20 14:50:12 sp3000: by case and by crazy ideas of package developers Jun 20 14:50:31 k, thanks Jun 20 14:50:35 still no luck with wep hex password Jun 20 14:50:40 As in "face the camera and pinch your left ear thrice" Jun 20 14:51:00 Churl: Why aren't you using ASCII password? Jun 20 14:51:36 im at a coffee shop Jun 20 14:51:50 if that helps Jun 20 14:52:14 and c0ffee is clearly hex Jun 20 14:52:35 so the wep key has to be too, for consistency Jun 20 14:53:41 c0ffee4123 is the wep key Jun 20 14:54:38 the network knows it's looking for a hex key, but maybe the problem is with the router? i was reading something about me needing to put in a longer hex password, and that's where im lost Jun 20 14:54:40 heh Jun 20 14:54:44 like a 30 digit key Jun 20 14:55:25 My WEP hex network key works just fine, which is the same length as yours Jun 20 14:58:54 yeah, it should, it cant resolve an ip Jun 20 14:58:54 possible a router sensitivity Jun 20 15:01:56 WEIRDNESS! Jun 20 15:02:39 google is saying others have had this some problem, "my linux box works fine, but my n800 wont work" Jun 20 15:08:18 Churl: this looks like an ascii key Jun 20 15:08:39 Churl: N800 *may* treat it as hex when you enter it though Jun 20 15:08:55 In this case, the best way to avoid it will be to modify wifi config directly Jun 20 15:10:59 meaning? Jun 20 15:11:29 well, the coffee... thing can be treated either as an ascii string or a hex string Jun 20 15:11:50 (thanks :)) Jun 20 15:12:05 c0ffee4123 is 5 bytes or 40 bits Jun 20 15:12:46 *or* it is 10 characters i.e. 80 bits Jun 20 15:13:07 Neither is a proper wep key length btw Jun 20 15:13:52 (sorry, im talking to an old crazy homeless man, he's very nice and is always here at the coffee shop with his laptop) Jun 20 15:13:54 Actually, 40 bits is the shortest possible wep key Jun 20 15:14:04 distractions Jun 20 15:14:30 let us say it is hex and find a way to enter it while avoiding os2008 gui Jun 20 15:15:23 is that possible? Jun 20 15:15:50 yes Jun 20 15:16:34 ive looked for a way to do that. command line? Jun 20 15:16:45 looking for it at the moment Jun 20 15:19:33 Churl: there should be wictl or a similar tool Jun 20 15:20:26 :) is that something id have to download? Jun 20 15:22:03 I am pretty sure there should be a copy installed already Jun 20 15:22:26 Unfortunately, I do not have a tablet here. Going home in a moment. If you are still here when I come home, will try to find it. Jun 20 15:23:53 oh ill be here, thanks very much! Jun 20 15:23:55 hola Jun 20 15:32:18 Hello Jun 20 15:32:33 hi Jun 20 15:35:12 is somewhere documented what hulda, hildon, osso, ... exactly are ? Jun 20 15:35:35 Wikipedia, a bit. Jun 20 15:36:09 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITOS Jun 20 15:36:53 I want to prevent the user interface to launch, but still have the network configuration thingie, the automount tihngie and so on to do their jobs Jun 20 15:39:04 This 810 is pretty cool. Does anyone have any programs or things to set up that they think are essential? I just got it yesterday. Jun 20 15:39:17 hi all, is there any way to run j2me apps on the n8x0? Jun 20 15:39:27 pidgin! Jun 20 15:39:41 Pidgin is gross. Jun 20 15:40:01 really? Jun 20 15:40:05 i love the icon! Jun 20 15:40:06 GeneralAntilles: why? 'cause of the logo? ;) Jun 20 15:40:10 What do you prefer, general? Jun 20 15:40:24 the logo is gross, true.. Jun 20 15:40:48 newmaemouser, mplayer, Canola2, FBReader, lxDoom, Quake, XChat, Modest, ScummVM, Numpty Physics, Maemo Mapper, Vagalume, Garnet VM, x11vnc Jun 20 15:40:50 rtcomm Jun 20 15:40:51 oh god! had it as my background for a while... Jun 20 15:40:54 The built-in chat framework. Jun 20 15:41:23 No need to run an extra program to eat up taskbar space. Jun 20 15:41:52 thats cooll Jun 20 15:41:53 General, does it run everything pidgin does? Jun 20 15:42:03 It's libpurple. Jun 20 15:42:12 Chinook doesn't include all the plugins Jun 20 15:42:17 but Collabora has most of them in their repository Jun 20 15:42:19 Hmm, that reminds me, I need to make a new version of x11vnc compiled from the latest version and merges penguinbait's and msaunby's work together. Jun 20 15:42:38 and you can get the rest if you install the rtcomm beta. Jun 20 15:43:01 qwerty12, and push it to the autobuilder? =) Jun 20 15:43:38 is there a working version of vnc viewer? Jun 20 15:43:57 GeneralAntilles, I shall try sometime to get it in -devel, I don't trust myself enough for extras and having it in extras would be very convienent. Jun 20 15:44:02 It's on Garag, Churl. Jun 20 15:44:17 qwerty12, the autobuilder should take care of MOST of the QA. ;) Jun 20 15:44:46 Nice Jun 20 15:45:58 I'm getting a lot better at packaging, the latest pidgin-facebookchat plugin I just put out is a "standard" package. Jun 20 15:46:25 :) Jun 20 15:47:17 garage? Jun 20 15:47:48 garage is http://garage.maemo.org/ but I think you want http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ in this case. Jun 20 15:47:56 One more thing - before I mess with this too much, is there a way I can backup *everything* in case I hose it? Jun 20 15:48:13 qwerty12: are you the mantainer of x11vnc? Jun 20 15:48:14 qwerty12, no. Jun 20 15:48:30 if I during boot of my n800 have a init script waiting for the mmc card to get mounted, this loops forever until I plug it out and in again. Then it gets instant mounted. How do I "replay" this event manually ? Jun 20 15:48:35 Churl, https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 Jun 20 15:48:37 Is the built-in backup software enough? Jun 20 15:48:39 sorry, im still unfamilier with all these programs, it's a whole lot of new stuff, all scattered developed, (from what i can tell ) Jun 20 15:48:54 newmaemouser, depends. Jun 20 15:49:03 GeneralAntilles, Ah, I thought he wanted the rtcomm Jun 20 15:49:28 eocanha, no but there are already 2 versions of it (and old ones, I plan on putting the improvents of both into one single package) Jun 20 15:49:43 It backs up settings, emails, stuff in MyDocs, your repository list and a list of applications you have installed Jun 20 15:49:49 but you'll have to reinstall those applications. Jun 20 15:50:02 ok. And I forgot that x11vnc is a vnc server. Jun 20 15:51:07 Of course, but is there a chance I could break the OS to the point that I can't restore? Jun 20 15:51:30 The fact is that the other day I tried to connect to my PC from the N810 with vncviewer and I got duplicated keystrokes. I wondered if that was a spread bug. Jun 20 15:53:17 Anyway, have a nice weekend Jun 20 15:56:08 ~lart car insurance companies Jun 20 15:56:08 * infobot pries car insurance companies's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to car insurance companies Jun 20 15:57:01 heh Jun 20 15:57:38 anyone here who admins garage? especially the svn part of it Jun 20 15:58:07 Twitter spam on -developers? Jun 20 15:58:14 the buggers have short changed me £30, not sure if it's worth my time to "discuss" it with them really Jun 20 15:58:27 GeneralAntilles: yeah, saw that Jun 20 15:59:07 X-Fade and dneary and stalking me on jaiku. O_O Jun 20 15:59:30 :) Jun 20 17:10:18 Hi again ! Jun 20 17:10:42 hi Khertan Jun 20 17:11:02 Hello :) Jun 20 17:11:40 hum it seems that rtcomm beta is not installable :( Jun 20 17:11:51 Put the tablet into redpill Jun 20 17:12:31 Khertan, follow the instructions on the website. ;) Jun 20 17:12:32 bmidgley: ping Jun 20 17:12:47 yes but there is a conflict with some libs Jun 20 17:12:47 and i prefer to not break anything Jun 20 17:12:47 :) Jun 20 17:13:28 is there still anydate for diablo ? Jun 20 17:13:34 or prevision ? Jun 20 17:13:37 Few weeks. Jun 20 17:13:40 When it's ready. Jun 20 17:14:14 when it s ready < i hope :) Jun 20 17:19:51 a few weeks? really? cool Jun 20 17:20:07 Meh, maybe. Jun 20 17:20:11 Who knows. Jun 20 17:20:16 we're gonna have to re-flash the last time, right? Jun 20 17:20:28 The data of every other Maemo release has always been "when it comes out". Jun 20 17:20:39 You know it's out when it's out. Jun 20 17:20:48 summatusmentis, yes, it'll be a reflash. Jun 20 17:36:46 Any ideas what this means?: "sbc.c", line 82: warning: illegal combination of const-init variable with non-const-init variable in section SARAM_seq Jun 20 17:38:49 re Jun 20 17:40:10 7larwhat's line 82 look like? Jun 20 17:40:14 ... Jun 20 17:40:22 lardman: what's line 82 look like? Jun 20 17:40:59 someone know a tool to capture video on nit ? Jun 20 17:41:15 set up a gstreamer pipeline? Jun 20 17:41:40 Khertan, with a big net? Jun 20 17:41:52 hum ... i don t know very well gstreamer Jun 20 17:42:01 a big net ? Jun 20 17:42:16 yes, to capture things Jun 20 17:42:25 yes Jun 20 17:42:43 lardman, shame ssvb just went :) ive just unrolled my readable blit per suggestions and improved performance a little Jun 20 17:42:55 in fact it s to show to someone a mockup of a kinetik scrolling on maemo Jun 20 17:43:00 #pragma DATA_SECTION(fast_in, "SARAM_seq") Jun 20 17:43:14 looks like I chose the wrong memory section to place my fast array Jun 20 17:43:25 sorted it now by choosing another one :) Jun 20 17:43:26 khertan, ahhh actual screen capture, not sure - i use my camera Jun 20 17:43:34 and id like to see your kinetic Jun 20 17:43:43 lcuk_: I'm sure he'll be interested to hear tomorrow Jun 20 17:43:59 yer its been on my todo for a while but i moved onto other stuff Jun 20 17:44:18 left the readable version there Jun 20 17:44:28 i don t have camera than the one on my phone but result look like an apple fake with many blur Jun 20 17:44:52 1M pixel :) Jun 20 17:44:57 khertan, are you using the normal display or are you using an overlay of some sort Jun 20 17:45:33 i m using efl Jun 20 17:45:36 infact, khertan, if there aren't too many dependencies it might be an idea to just give the binary Jun 20 17:45:55 * lcuk_ should practice what he preaches Jun 20 17:46:01 :) Jun 20 17:46:31 right, to the pub, then back for sbc testing :), eventually Jun 20 17:46:39 have a good night lardman Jun 20 17:47:02 lcuk_: cheers, and have a nice weekend, I see the weather will be sunny up north! Jun 20 17:47:03 there is too many dependancies :) Jun 20 17:47:56 stskeeps > u are talking about a gstreamer pipeline do u know how to do ? Jun 20 17:48:51 Khertan: you can prolly integrate some codecs that goes from camera -> file Jun 20 17:49:55 hum ... Jun 20 17:50:19 it's a bit advanced :P Jun 20 17:50:34 but if you're going to make something professional, this would be the trick Jun 20 17:50:47 khertan ive seen a gstreamer video encoder, but its based on input from the camera itself, perhaps you could mung it to grab input from the screen Jun 20 17:50:50 yes :) too much too do it from my nit without gcc :) Jun 20 17:51:22 khertan python gstreamer api :) http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html Jun 20 17:51:44 damn broken link, 2 mins Jun 20 17:51:56 hah Jun 20 17:51:58 haha Jun 20 17:54:04 4.x is broken too Jun 20 17:54:38 i ll look in google cache Jun 20 17:54:40 2 mins ill post the .py i got from it and was looking at Jun 20 17:55:44 its not pretty i ripped out all the events cos it wouldnt run with them (im not a python hacker) http://pastebin.ca/1052035 Jun 20 17:56:44 http://umeguide.net/C/mobile-user-apps.html Jun 20 17:57:09 funny to see that ume seem s to be more and more a maemo port :) Jun 20 17:58:12 pfffiou data connection is very slow today Jun 20 17:58:38 hum can t get your pastebin Jun 20 17:58:45 blank page Jun 20 17:59:57 khertan :D vnc to swf - use vnc server and record the display from your desktop Jun 20 18:00:36 euh ... this could be a solution when i come back to home Jun 20 18:00:54 probably yer Jun 20 18:01:52 post under anonymous in pastebin ? Jun 20 18:06:16 can t found it Jun 20 18:06:26 so ... i ll try to find it Jun 20 18:13:55 have a nice weekend Jun 20 18:17:57 Tried to capture at 800x480, but device returned size 640x480 Jun 20 18:18:00 :) Jun 20 18:18:07 just a try with webcam Jun 20 18:18:44 the webcam IS 640x480 Jun 20 18:20:28 yes i knox Jun 20 18:20:32 know Jun 20 18:20:37 now :) Jun 20 18:22:14 but the main purpose is too see if i can capture screen with gstreaqmer Jun 20 18:22:22 khertan, initial suggestion might just work im seeing now, but vnc2swf has a python version now http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ Jun 20 18:24:10 but it s need a vnc server Jun 20 18:25:30 x11vnc is available Jun 20 18:25:39 <||cw> and works well Jun 20 18:25:57 <||cw> could work better, some things you can't click Jun 20 18:26:31 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Jun 20 18:26:46 im just seeing if i can get it recording now Jun 20 18:27:18 arg Tkinter Jun 20 18:27:33 no useable on maemo :) Jun 20 18:27:40 s/no/not Jun 20 18:28:22 damn, and they include a nogui option Jun 20 18:28:54 :) Jun 20 18:37:18 why make a nogui option and reclaim tkinter Jun 20 18:37:23 this is stupid Jun 20 18:39:42 can t hack it Jun 20 18:39:57 there is too many ref to tkinter Jun 20 18:44:50 there is no vnc client for os2008 Jun 20 18:44:51 ? Jun 20 18:46:36 Khertan, google. :P Jun 20 18:46:50 http://vncviewer.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 20 18:47:02 google -> gronmayer -> none :) Jun 20 18:47:05 thx Jun 20 18:47:09 Not in a repo. ;) Jun 20 18:47:30 i have succesfully capture screen !!!! Jun 20 18:50:05 do you have to have the repo to apt-get things? Jun 20 18:51:49 Yes, Churl. Jun 20 18:52:50 thanks, ive been having trouble with those single click installs. is there an app i need to handle them? Jun 20 18:53:45 Application manager Jun 20 18:54:05 Khertan, what are you capturing with and are you at home now Jun 20 18:54:35 haha yeah doesnt work :( Jun 20 18:54:38 i think ive just managed (somehow) to build the c version of vnc2swf and just did something... Jun 20 18:55:02 Churl, how do you mean? Jun 20 18:55:54 well, i was trying to get vncviewer. i click on the single click install. it messes up and the browers crashs Jun 20 18:56:14 The .install is for Bora Jun 20 18:56:29 Grab the .deb at the top here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 Jun 20 18:56:31 i see, what's bora Jun 20 18:56:41 cool thanks again as always Jun 20 18:56:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames Jun 20 18:57:28 oh yeah, i was looking at that, i think i need a study guide. it's helping with all these new abbriviations Jun 20 18:59:50 well vnc2swf will build in scratchbox without a problem, x11vnc is available as a server, but recording movies of the device on the device is slowwwwwwwww Jun 20 19:00:34 Churl, if you come across more abbreviations that you think should be defined there, then either mention them here or stick 'em on the Codenames discussion page. Jun 20 19:00:52 <||cw> hell, just remote controling the 770 is slow Jun 20 19:01:13 770 maybe, but 8x0 has more grunt Jun 20 19:01:41 hi there Jun 20 19:01:44 viewing and controlling my 810 is normally ok and vnc2swf works much betterl from desktop Jun 20 19:01:54 hi Gnuton Jun 20 19:02:19 hey lcuk_ Jun 20 19:02:23 * lcuk_ nearly used a pair of tweezers as stylus :S Jun 20 19:02:33 neat, ill have internet at my new home (that im moving into when i leave this coffee shop) in about 10 days (that means in a month around here) and id love to add and define terms that new people would need to know Jun 20 19:03:00 churl, you are staying in the coffee shop for 10days? Jun 20 19:03:19 re Jun 20 19:03:22 maybe:( this is my 4th day in a row Jun 20 19:03:39 Khertan, i got vnc2swf compiled for the device, but results are NOT optimal, best off using desktop to do the recording Jun 20 19:03:46 lcuk > i ve do it on device with a twikked vnc2swf Jun 20 19:03:59 the .py version? Jun 20 19:04:03 yes Jun 20 19:04:08 you are a python god :) Jun 20 19:04:11 result seems good enought Jun 20 19:04:30 are you uploading your example vid then or shall we wait Jun 20 19:04:38 * lcuk_ wonders why he had poor results Jun 20 19:05:11 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219 Jun 20 19:05:20 i ll try but phone battery is dying Jun 20 19:06:00 you are a star khertan :)i see the nokia has given you escape from a boring train journey Jun 20 19:06:20 yes :) Jun 20 19:06:39 i was doing onboard compile on palm before Jun 20 19:07:54 i drive to work so lose that time, but when im out smoking i have a quick hack at mine and gcc is certainly quick enough to work well - i use gcc on device at night as well now its configured Jun 20 19:18:13 . Jun 20 19:26:20 arg maemo.org is so slow :( Jun 20 19:28:35 Server upgrades are forthcoming. Jun 20 19:37:59 hmm... when not running the hildon-desktop init script, sd cards are not automounted. Jun 20 19:38:05 what are hildon-desktop doing ? ;) Jun 20 19:48:47 re Jun 20 19:48:53 battery died :) Jun 20 19:49:33 do you guys encode your movies or just leave them at the usual 700mb Jun 20 19:51:50 good question Jun 20 19:53:09 700MB doesn't mean anything. Jun 20 19:53:13 Bitrate and resolution. Jun 20 19:57:41 what's a typical size a person could get a movie to? Jun 20 19:58:09 For the an N8x0? Jun 20 19:58:13 yeah Jun 20 19:58:25 Size I wouldn't worry too much about. Jun 20 19:58:48 Ive only got 6 gigs to work with lol :O Jun 20 19:58:54 For best performance, something around 400x240 @ 1200Kbps with MPEG4 and MP3 audio (44.1KHz or lower) Jun 20 19:58:57 I need to get an 8gb minisd Jun 20 19:59:13 i took out my 2 gig from my camera for my tablet Jun 20 19:59:28 I wish they put more internal space in the n810 Jun 20 19:59:43 You can usually get away with a higher resolution if you can handle a little framedrop every now and then. Jun 20 20:00:08 neat Jun 20 20:00:17 I've had success with widescreen stuff in the 6xx*2xx range Jun 20 20:00:24 Is there a conversion utility for videos people use for nits? Jun 20 20:00:27 with just a hint of framedrop in the high-action scenes. Jun 20 20:00:33 Kekerot, what platform. Jun 20 20:00:34 ? Jun 20 20:00:37 windows Jun 20 20:01:06 http://www.nokia.com/A4688059 Jun 20 20:01:30 GA: what was that IM app that you liked better than pidgin? Jun 20 20:01:35 sweet thanks Jun 20 20:01:37 The built-in one. Jun 20 20:01:41 re Jun 20 20:02:14 Either set up a transport for your preferred network with Google Talk or download the Collabora Telepathy plugins. Jun 20 20:02:23 GA what os do you use on your desktop/laptop? Jun 20 20:02:40 i didnt think it had a built in one Jun 20 20:03:06 ssvb, i unrolled the loop earlier and obtained a modest performance benefit :) thanks for advice Jun 20 20:03:18 chat! Jun 20 20:03:22 OS X Jun 20 20:03:37 Churl, see the Accounts under Control panel. Jun 20 20:03:54 I've been starting to use the built in client more than pidgin Jun 20 20:04:12 i do now Jun 20 20:04:14 you have a mac GA? Jun 20 20:04:14 There's too much work involved with Pidgin. Jun 20 20:04:15 lcuk: you are welcome :) Jun 20 20:04:17 but it was too messy with transports Jun 20 20:04:20 Yes, Kekerot. Jun 20 20:04:34 lcuk > i m uploading video Jun 20 20:04:48 my only gripe on the built in client is that it doesnt tab convos Jun 20 20:05:00 acydlord, file an enhancement request? Jun 20 20:05:15 i was just about to say thats what i should do lol Jun 20 20:05:29 it doesnt look like i can use AIM through Chat Jun 20 20:05:37 Khertan, :) wicked, are you home now Jun 20 20:05:51 or have you mugged another random person on the train and borrowed their bandwidth Jun 20 20:05:53 you can use aim Jun 20 20:06:04 yes Jun 20 20:06:07 the wizard doesnt give the option Jun 20 20:06:12 my phone battery died Jun 20 20:06:14 Churl, either set up a Google Talk transport or add the Collabora repo from gronmayer and install the appropriate Telepathy plugin. Jun 20 20:06:24 you said it might Jun 20 20:06:24 i installed the chat beta and then the telepathy haze plugs Jun 20 20:06:30 wow, and pidgin is too much? Jun 20 20:06:40 It's just one thing to install Jun 20 20:06:47 Not everyday of using the client. Jun 20 20:06:51 pidgin doesn't use the throbber. *g* Jun 20 20:07:01 throbber and the led are worth it Jun 20 20:07:15 not familiar with throbber Jun 20 20:07:18 sounds sexy ;) Jun 20 20:07:30 family channel, could you keep your throbbers covered please Jun 20 20:07:32 The littlel ight blinking when you have messages. Jun 20 20:07:33 towo, depending on the purpose of that comment, either install the pidgin notification plugin or turn off IM notifications in Control panel. Jun 20 20:07:43 GeneralAntilles, shoul i file an enhancement request in bugzilla or launchpad? Jun 20 20:07:51 launchpad? Jun 20 20:07:58 https://launchpad.net/maemo Jun 20 20:08:11 GeneralAntilles: I don't think it makes my little light glow when used. Jun 20 20:08:16 lcuk > khertan.net Jun 20 20:08:20 Weird, acydlord, never seen that. Jun 20 20:08:25 Definitely Bugzilla. Jun 20 20:08:25 does it play smoothly ? Jun 20 20:08:33 i ran into it a few weeks back lol Jun 20 20:08:38 it doesn t on my home computer Jun 20 20:09:12 acydlord, was that officially set up? Jun 20 20:09:21 not quite sure Jun 20 20:10:16 it was set up by ubuntu staff it looks like Jun 20 20:10:22 Weird Jun 20 20:10:25 lcuk the first try i ve made was far better Jun 20 20:11:21 yer khertan, performance is dead here, its static, you could try sending and processing on your desktop now you are home - that should free up the 810 to actually render the UI Jun 20 20:11:30 it's probably because they are using maemo as the base of ubuntu mobile Jun 20 20:12:29 i think you're best bet would be a desktop pc webcam or proper cam with movie mode Jun 20 20:12:30 i ll try later i ll cook Jun 20 20:12:43 re Jun 20 20:12:45 i just dont think the little 810 has enough grunt to do everything itself Jun 20 20:13:00 ok Khertan :) enjoy your meal i just had pizza Jun 20 20:13:05 acydlord, yeah, odd that they would set it up that way. Jun 20 20:13:12 indeed Jun 20 20:13:24 Just seems like a good way to confuse people. :\ Jun 20 20:13:29 i was looking through the threads and it does look to be for ubuntu-mobile Jun 20 20:14:26 Anyway, yeah, stick it on Bugzilla and I'll vote for it. ;) Jun 20 20:18:25 k, will do Jun 20 20:31:58 Evening, all! Jun 20 20:32:14 * Jaffa is back, after 14 days, over 1800 miles and over 39 hours of driving. Jun 20 20:32:45 wb jaffa Jun 20 20:32:58 did you have a good trip Jun 20 20:33:26 Yeah, very good. Slightly tanned, lots of booze in the car ready for consumption over the summer. Very knackered. Jun 20 20:33:49 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3271 vote away =x Jun 20 20:33:50 Woo, Jaffa! Jun 20 20:34:04 i hope you made mrs jaffa drive whilst you sat in the back drinking :D Jun 20 20:34:33 Mrs Jaffa's driving would need it ;-) Jun 20 20:34:38 Oh, bugger - she's now in the room. Jun 20 20:36:27 lol Jun 20 20:39:06 Jaffa, you missed a goldmine of crazy from Darius on -developers. fanoush discovered that he has a rather interesting background, too. Jun 20 20:40:51 GAN800: Oh, cool - I'll look out for it once I've dealt with label:Webmail Jun 20 20:41:03 (GA means: Darius has an interesting background, not that Fanaush has gone senile and forgotten everything hes ever done) Jun 20 20:41:52 :) Jun 20 20:44:20 wow, my google mail accounts have been crap lately Jun 20 20:44:29 imap rarely ever logs in properly Jun 20 20:51:54 GAN800: I see one thread he started about the council, that the one you're thinking of? Jun 20 20:52:06 GAN800: Oh, and he responded to your mail too. Jun 20 20:52:06 Yeah Jun 20 20:52:12 I think it was split at some point, too. Jun 20 20:52:21 Never really got any useful discussion out of that. :D Jun 20 21:04:24 hey Jaffa, how was France? Jun 20 21:04:38 good; nice and warm and very little rain. Jun 20 21:05:04 not fair! ;) Jun 20 21:09:27 am i safe to disable the watchdog? Jun 20 21:09:33 hi all; i want a maemo package maintainer to pick up tinyproxy for inclusion in the repo Jun 20 21:09:41 is anyone interested? Jun 20 21:10:36 why not submit it yourself? Jun 20 21:10:55 lcuk: for what reason? Jun 20 21:11:00 lcuk: normally yes Jun 20 21:11:36 lcuk: because i don't know how, and it'd be easier for someone who does this for other packages to pick it up Jun 20 21:11:54 (and also knows the maemo environment well) Jun 20 21:12:01 well im trying to work out where im getting a cpu spike from - every ~2/3 of a second im skipping a frame and my gut is telling me something is waking up and taking memory bandwidth away Jun 20 21:12:30 but when i try to kill processes the watchdog kicks in.. Jun 20 21:13:12 lcuk: yeah, should be ok to switch it off Jun 20 21:13:32 ive only encountered it once so far... and that was 5 minutes ago Jun 20 21:13:40 lcuk: only thing you might find is that the machine part-crashes and you need to reboot (without it doing it for you) Jun 20 21:13:53 but that's only if you abuse it Jun 20 21:14:10 watchdog doesnt autoboot when my program goes mental (infiniteloop) so im used to popping the cell Jun 20 21:14:22 * lardman goes for a glass of wine, optimisation changes to sbc have altered the output :( Jun 20 21:14:49 lol i had my funky text back earlier :) i thought i had seen the last of misaligned glyphs Jun 20 21:17:27 if anyone is interested in packaging, please contact us on the mailing list. thank you! Jun 20 21:35:18 Sprint is saying wi-max will be available in sept. Jun 20 21:35:32 so presumably n810w will follow Jun 20 21:40:52 * sp3000 loves the latest randomly absurd use of the microsoft club on -users Jun 20 21:41:20 club as in bat not bar Jun 20 21:41:27 -users is out there lately. Jun 20 21:41:40 * Jaffa thinks he's been randomly unsubscribed again. Jun 20 21:41:51 Mr. Mark Haury can really write 'em. Jun 20 21:42:29 He spends an awful lot of time responding to that list for somebody unwilling to waste time submitting bug reports. <_< Jun 20 21:50:16 ~lart n810 Jun 20 21:50:16 * infobot raises middle finger to n810 Jun 20 21:51:17 /kick lcuk Jun 20 21:52:48 grrrr \o. Jun 20 22:01:52 * Jaffa quickly looks over the logo suggestions and likes jussi's and attila's moebius & butterfly concepts best Jun 20 22:03:50 deadknight88 has some good ones, too. Jun 20 22:03:54 Though the capital M has to go. Jun 20 22:07:29 I like the simplicity, but clearly defined concepts of jussi's & attila's, though the artistry of deadknight88's submissions, and the key concept, are quite interesting. Jun 20 22:08:25 I haven't seen anything that really jumps out at me yet, though. Jun 20 22:09:13 Agreed. The butterfly concept is good, and the implementation nice enough, but it didn't quite work at first glance - just looking a bit cartooney. Once I read "butterfly", I said "oh yeah" and liked it more. Jun 20 22:13:09 wheres the link? Jun 20 22:13:11 GeneralAntilles, Jun 20 22:13:18 For? Jun 20 22:13:32 Guess: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions Jun 20 22:13:35 logos - if you have it avail please Jun 20 22:13:40 thanks :) Jun 20 22:15:33 hi lcuk around Jun 20 22:15:42 yer pupnik Jun 20 22:15:45 hi \o Jun 20 22:16:11 hotel paid? Jun 20 22:16:36 hmmm not checked account today, but not as of a couple of days ago Jun 20 22:16:47 am broke - no internet Jun 20 22:17:24 boo hisss :( has yours been paid Jun 20 22:18:04 pupnik, you will have to sell yourself, let people in your town hire your n800 or something Jun 20 22:19:02 ok thx Jun 20 22:19:23 how are you doing though? Jun 20 22:19:31 just checking Jun 20 22:19:31 i am being kicked out Jun 20 22:19:31 of the pub Jun 20 22:20:01 lol ouch Jun 20 22:20:23 ouch. Jun 20 23:12:15 it passes the Hands screen, then you can see the left bar in white 'load', whole screen goes white, then restart. I didn't make any changes to the n770, I restarted cause I could change applets for some bizzare reason Jun 20 23:13:25 I don't wanna reflash :/ Jun 20 23:15:23 sounds like this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/21474 Jun 20 23:32:43 can you make calls into the nokia 770 with os2006? Jun 20 23:33:57 not that i am aware of Jun 20 23:36:16 not through SIP or anything? Jun 21 00:01:21 i dont remember os2006 having sip Jun 21 00:01:45 i thought google talk had sip with it Jun 21 00:02:43 Hmm, should GarethLWalt's #1 logo (https://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/0/0b/Maemo.org_logo_contest_garethlwalt_1b.png/120px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_garethlwalt_1b.png) be moved to unacceptable as it's passing-off Palm, Inc's logo (IIRC) Jun 21 00:03:25 Ah, THAT'S where I saw that. . . . Jun 21 00:03:39 http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=palm%20inc&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi Jun 21 00:03:42 Jaffa, I'd say yes. Jun 21 00:03:58 * Jaffa does so. Jun 21 00:04:03 http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=palm+logo&btnG=Search+Images&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-GB%3Aunofficial&sa=2 is even more persuasive. Jun 21 00:31:57 * Jaffa is pretty much caught up, spammed people to death about the Community Council (although prolly could go in the /topic here, TBH) and therefore beds. Jun 21 01:46:19 I'm trying to modprobe mtdram to unpack the root image, and it's giving me Cannot allocate memory errors. I've googled exhaustively without luck - any suggestions Jun 21 02:03:40 GeneralAntilles: hrm Jun 21 02:03:46 * rm_you is brainstorming for the logo contest Jun 21 02:04:23 Hehe Jun 21 02:04:27 Make it not suck Jun 21 02:04:33 hrm Jun 21 02:04:37 I *really* want to win this Jun 21 02:04:44 more than I think I've ever wanted to win anything before :P Jun 21 02:04:48 hrm Jun 21 02:05:11 * rm_you installs Inkscape and thanks the gods he learned how to use it a few months ago Jun 21 02:08:48 Haha Jun 21 02:09:01 Do you want to win this more than you want to live? Jun 21 02:12:22 i really want a n810WIMAX Jun 21 02:12:24 and i'm poor Jun 21 02:12:30 and i want to go to that conference :P Jun 21 02:12:56 and you're poor? Jun 21 02:13:00 yes :P Jun 21 02:13:07 * GeneralAntilles a note not to vote for rm_you's submission. Jun 21 02:13:13 lol Jun 21 02:13:50 you don't want me to get a n810? :P Jun 21 02:14:54 Nah, I just don't want you getting your crazy on all tho poor schmucks at OSiM. :D Jun 21 02:15:05 lol Jun 21 02:15:19 Some story behind your logo will probably help Jun 21 02:15:23 am I too much of an OSS zealot? :P Jun 21 02:15:44 look at atila's or jussi's Jun 21 02:16:01 how do i see submissions Jun 21 02:16:28 ah Jun 21 02:16:32 theres the page Jun 21 02:16:40 gj Jun 21 02:17:43 hrm Jun 21 02:17:48 i really like atila Jun 21 02:17:51 While you're in Inkscape, you want to whip up a cool icon for adv-backlight? Jun 21 02:17:52 's logo >_> Jun 21 02:17:56 lol, no :P Jun 21 02:18:08 you already made a good one Jun 21 02:18:13 Did I? Jun 21 02:20:52 damn, a lot of these are good Jun 21 02:21:05 I dont even have a concept in my HEAD that can compete with these yet Jun 21 02:21:14 * rm_you keeps brainstorming Jun 21 02:23:22 * rm_you is not an artist >_> Jun 21 02:38:24 Mmm . . . milk and cookies. Jun 21 02:53:01 wow I suck at this <_< Jun 21 02:53:29 I had a thought, but i don't have the artistic skills to pull it off Jun 21 02:53:32 i need to go simpler Jun 21 02:56:37 Simple is good Jun 21 02:59:46 ooo Jun 21 02:59:48 just got an idea Jun 21 02:59:52 i might be able to do **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 21 02:59:56 2008