**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 24 02:59:56 2008 Jun 24 03:11:37 63 MB file.mov compressed to avi turn out to be 22 MB. Is there a better compression out there? Jun 24 03:12:03 use a lower bitrate Jun 24 03:12:26 for the audio Jun 24 03:12:29 right? Jun 24 03:14:10 No Jun 24 03:14:12 For the video Jun 24 03:14:28 o ok Jun 24 03:14:38 using ffmpeg Jun 24 03:14:45 I got it Jun 24 04:19:59 simple mplayer Q: can I adjust a running mplayer volume from ash? Jun 24 04:20:32 (I am assuming mplayer is the media player, and that ash is the ssh shell) Jun 24 04:29:11 hmm no one home Jun 24 04:29:29 ok, how about install nmap on an N800? Jun 24 05:38:34 darkblue_B: well Jun 24 05:38:57 darkblue_B: if you ran mplayer from ash, yes, volume is / and * Jun 24 05:39:19 attaching to it might not be possible though Jun 24 05:39:29 if you didnt run it from the console Jun 24 05:48:45 rm_you, I never reboot my tablet, so I don't notice stuff like this, but did you see this comment? http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Jun 24 05:50:28 lol at "Not so good: The option to reduce backlight volume on n800's to zero what seems to be bad. there is only a hint not to do that. better would be a device detection routine in the software" Jun 24 05:50:46 Can't win, can we? :D Jun 24 05:50:51 apparently not Jun 24 05:50:58 only a hint!? Jun 24 05:50:59 * GeneralAntilles slaps Uwe Jun 24 05:51:05 do i need to put flashing lights on it!? Jun 24 05:51:30 it even asks for confirmation! Jun 24 05:51:31 "THIS OPTION WILL FUCK YOUR TABLET" Jun 24 05:51:32 >_< Jun 24 05:51:34 "YES/NO" Jun 24 05:51:38 LOL Jun 24 05:51:46 YES/NO == rofl Jun 24 05:52:08 Good times with confirmation dialogs. Jun 24 05:52:38 GeneralAntilles: do gconf settings not persist across reboots? My understanding was that they are supposed to... Jun 24 05:52:42 otherwise gconf is stupid Jun 24 05:52:45 and pointless Jun 24 05:52:49 They should Jun 24 05:52:58 It could be a thousand and one things that get in the way there, though. Jun 24 05:53:15 >_> Jun 24 05:53:21 Heck, maybe the initfs setting the backlight changes things Jun 24 05:53:22 who knows Jun 24 05:53:37 i have my own custom gconf area Jun 24 05:53:38 for my app Jun 24 05:53:45 on load it pulls those settings Jun 24 05:53:54 Ah, I see. Jun 24 05:53:56 and defaults to 60%-ish brightness if they fail to load Jun 24 05:54:21 * GeneralAntilles reboots. Jun 24 05:56:11 Hrm Jun 24 05:56:19 Mine went from %25 to %100 Jun 24 05:56:38 LOL? Jun 24 07:03:30 Hi, while building xulrunner as per specified in link http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Build/Fennec i am getting this error Jun 24 07:03:32 undefined reference to `hildon_g_scanner_cache_open' Jun 24 07:03:50 can someone help to resolve this Jun 24 07:25:34 re Jun 24 07:32:58 morning Jun 24 07:33:06 morning Jun 24 07:34:47 gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup is another maemo-ism? Jun 24 07:35:48 hrw, at least it is defined inside #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES Jun 24 07:36:20 inz: not in hildon-application-manager ;( Jun 24 07:40:41 in gtk Jun 24 07:43:22 AStorm: but apps needs #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES too Jun 24 07:43:29 hildon-desktop do that Jun 24 07:43:33 yes Jun 24 07:43:34 they do Jun 24 07:43:55 as that define is done by pkg-config gtk Jun 24 07:45:59 you mean by 'maemo gtk' Jun 24 07:46:21 gtk with maemo options enabled Jun 24 07:46:32 libhildon defines MAEMO_CHANGES Jun 24 07:46:35 not gtk Jun 24 07:46:41 hm Jun 24 07:46:52 so it's in libhildon, that function? I fail at reading ;P Jun 24 07:47:20 function is in gtk - but libhildon pkg-config adds -DMAEMO_CHANGES Jun 24 07:47:24 I do not use maemo gtk Jun 24 07:49:17 Then you'll need to patch h-a-m Jun 24 07:50:07 I did Jun 24 07:50:35 libhildon can be built against non-maemo gtk but pass -DMAEMO_CHANGES anyway Jun 24 08:23:21 i know i can make new users to my nit, but can i change the default user? Jun 24 08:23:39 on irc a (~user@domain.tld) seems a pretty wierd Jun 24 08:23:47 s/wierd/weird Jun 24 08:23:56 It's hardcoded in many places Jun 24 08:24:17 Install oidentd and make it say something fun ;) Jun 24 08:24:21 inz: ok. so i thought. how about ident Jun 24 08:24:25 ok :) Jun 24 08:24:35 You may have to build it too ;) Jun 24 08:24:54 inz: that maybe an overkill, but hey, i like them :) Jun 24 08:32:30 Nokia just bought Symbian Jun 24 08:32:44 omg Jun 24 08:32:48 The end of the world is definitely coming to Finland Jun 24 08:32:55 or from? Jun 24 08:32:58 And it is going to opensource it: http://www.symbianfoundation.org/ Jun 24 08:32:59 to. Jun 24 08:33:10 Gluttony is never good for corporations Jun 24 08:33:15 Well, they didn't buy it yet, they just made an offer. Jun 24 08:33:36 they might opensource it partly, i would say :) Jun 24 08:33:53 X-Fade: If it is going to "open source" it the same way it has done with Maemo, nothing is gonna change Jun 24 08:34:13 RST38h: bollocks :) Jun 24 08:34:21 well 'nothing' is a pretty hard word Jun 24 08:34:32 Sony Ericsson executives are probably shitting bricks by now Jun 24 08:34:39 harhar Jun 24 08:34:55 but they surely arent going to opensource anything that would reveil their business secters Jun 24 08:34:55 the rest will have to go to M$ Jun 24 08:35:00 or write their own OSes Jun 24 08:35:03 or licence Nokia Jun 24 08:35:15 I suspect Nokia *will* make the licence so that the others have to pay Jun 24 08:35:24 or use the free stuff Nokia have to give away Jun 24 08:35:36 lbt: no, sorry, the licence will forbid ;P Jun 24 08:35:47 I suspect it won't be GPL ;P Jun 24 08:35:47 then it won't be opensource will it? Jun 24 08:35:51 it will Jun 24 08:35:53 just not GPL Jun 24 08:35:57 and not BSD Jun 24 08:36:07 Or you could just read that website ;) Jun 24 08:36:09 Duh.. Jun 24 08:36:12 I repeat: then it won't be opensource will it? Jun 24 08:36:21 no, it will Jun 24 08:36:22 why gpl'ing it would make it impossible to get a fee from it? Jun 24 08:36:25 you'll have the code Jun 24 08:36:25 Eclipse Public License Jun 24 08:36:32 iirc mysql is making profit with gpl'd software ;) Jun 24 08:36:35 you will be required to post all changes for example Jun 24 08:36:37 :) Jun 24 08:37:11 maemo autobuilder == scratchbox? Jun 24 08:37:15 there could be some libraries (concerning hardware id suppose) that would be closed and they would require the license Jun 24 08:37:25 haha Jun 24 08:37:27 The foundation is expected to start operating during the first half of 2009. Membership of the foundation will be open to Jun 24 08:37:29 all organizations, for a low annual membership fee of US $1,500. Jun 24 08:37:35 low fee indeed Jun 24 08:37:47 hrw: It uses scratchbox. But the builder itself is sbdmock. Jun 24 08:38:24 macoute_: mysql isn't gpl anymore Jun 24 08:38:26 when I look at maemo extras sources I wanna scream Jun 24 08:38:26 mysql-community is Jun 24 08:38:35 and it's missing most of the query optimizer Jun 24 08:38:39 # Autodetect platform Jun 24 08:38:39 if $PKG_CONFIG --exists libosso && readlink /etc|grep -q ^/targets; then DETECTED_PLATFORM=maemo Jun 24 08:38:44 for example Jun 24 08:38:52 Greetings all! Jun 24 08:39:08 morning Jun 24 08:39:23 Hey lard, how are ya? Jun 24 08:39:23 Addison: eh, ok Jun 24 08:39:29 hi lardman Jun 24 08:39:34 hrw: That means that the developer needs to be explained how to make a proper package ;) Jun 24 08:39:42 hi hrw Jun 24 08:39:43 Pop quiz. Jun 24 08:39:52 hi Addison Jun 24 08:40:05 Anyone smart enough to handle a big challenge needs to step up right now. :) Jun 24 08:40:11 AStorm: I am pretty sure they will not "open source" in the normal sense of this word Jun 24 08:40:19 it will I guess Jun 24 08:40:23 for non-profit purposes Jun 24 08:40:33 There is too much know-how in Symbian Jun 24 08:40:35 I'm looking for anyone that can answer a post I made. Jun 24 08:40:41 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20979 Jun 24 08:41:06 I've asked everywhere on this, no one can seem to help me though. Jun 24 08:41:38 Addison: The answer is no Jun 24 08:41:39 I need someone with a big brain. Jun 24 08:41:56 The answer is independent on the brain size. Jun 24 08:42:00 That's a big fat "no" RST? Jun 24 08:42:08 Addison: Press the full screen button Jun 24 08:42:09 That is a flat "no" Jun 24 08:42:23 Nuts. And I was in such a good mood. :) Jun 24 08:42:29 Based on the way Hildon apps work. Jun 24 08:42:50 You can probably compile regular xterm though Jun 24 08:43:19 Can putty or Qwerty's new Roxbox (sp?) be able to change the environment before using Telnet? Jun 24 08:43:56 Addison: have you tried things like : COLUMNS=76 Jun 24 08:44:01 Guys, is this really that big of a request? Jun 24 08:44:12 Addison: Stop talking, please Jun 24 08:44:25 Addison: People can read, if they don't answer it generally means they don't have an answer Jun 24 08:44:49 AStorm: the fee is kinda small if you think of the members (samsung electronics, ericsson etc) Jun 24 08:44:56 Yes jbt, I've tried COLUMNS, columns, COLS, cols, and maybe a few other tries. I even tried to export them just before going into Telnet. Jun 24 08:45:09 of course for individual developers its kinda huge Jun 24 08:45:41 Does xterm override any env var settings then? Jun 24 08:46:16 Sorry lard, I thought the reason for the dim flicker of a response was because someone was too ashamed on how ginormous their brain had become. :) Jun 24 08:46:26 have you tried #nethack ? Jun 24 08:47:21 Sorry jbt, what do you mean? I'm a real retarded gorilla when it comes to knowing linux, maemo, and other junk. Jun 24 08:47:38 Addison, you asked a question and got your answer Jun 24 08:47:53 Have you got another question? If so, ask. Jun 24 08:48:23 Oh, do you mean have I stopped by there with my question? Yeah, I chatted with #Nethack for about two hours today. Didn't get any real help from them though. Jun 24 08:48:30 Addison: I'd tweak the source of xterm to do as you want Jun 24 08:49:27 Sorry RST, I'm not trying to stomp around, this is the only thing I'm hoping for today. Jun 24 08:49:53 Hopefully this isn't creating any type of unnecessary weirdness here. Jun 24 08:49:58 :) Jun 24 08:50:38 Addison: You might get more suggestions from a post to the mailing list, explain why you're doing this, explain what you've already tried, etc. Jun 24 08:51:00 Addison: then people can have a think about it with no time presure Jun 24 08:51:06 s/presure/pressure Jun 24 08:51:35 Well, what about my wide font idea? I've already tried it out and it works. I just need to find that miracle font that is exactly 76x24 in the Xterminal while being in full screen mode. Jun 24 08:51:59 Addison <-- is trying to microwave an egg, if you know what I mean Jun 24 08:52:26 I don't know, assuming no-one else has answered, they presumably don't know (or are busy), the ml will get you slower but greater exposure Jun 24 08:52:33 I've tried to microwave one once. It blew the fricking door off. :D Jun 24 08:53:03 What's an ml, lardman? Jun 24 08:53:16 Addison: have you tried doing it again though? Jun 24 08:53:28 Addison: mailing list Jun 24 08:53:28 Just in case the next time it will not blow the door off Jun 24 08:53:41 You mean microwaving an egg? No way, first time was horror enough. :) Jun 24 08:53:55 Addison: Anyway, look at the stty utility Jun 24 08:54:16 It allows you to set rows/columns for a terminal, given that your terminal is large enough to fit 'em Jun 24 08:54:23 telnet does the window size negotiation - hack that Jun 24 08:54:32 Can you give me a download on that RST? Jun 24 08:54:38 Addison: No. Jun 24 08:54:42 Nuts. Jun 24 08:55:13 Well, can Putty do this? I mean, be able to change the COLUMNS size? Jun 24 08:55:36 Addison: it can Jun 24 08:55:54 Sweet! Thanks hrw! I'm going to go pick that up right now. Jun 24 08:56:20 I've got it. Jun 24 08:56:24 anyone knows how is a2dp support w/ sbc coming along? Jun 24 08:56:33 Give me a few minutes to see if it works this way. Jun 24 08:57:11 wiza: Ask lardman ;) Jun 24 08:58:17 i guess opensymbian is fallout from android Jun 24 08:58:20 yes, lardman, how is it coming along? =) Jun 24 08:58:52 timeless: Preemptive strike perhaps? Jun 24 08:58:52 timeless: Funny, just yesterday WSJ had a gloomy article about Android being a clusterfuck Jun 24 08:59:01 url? Jun 24 08:59:04 j webdev Jun 24 08:59:08 heh :) Jun 24 08:59:18 x-fade: not very preemptive... Jun 24 08:59:27 there's a 2 year lead before they're open Jun 24 08:59:35 which is iirc about as long as it took sun to open java Jun 24 08:59:35 timeless: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121418837707895947.html Jun 24 08:59:40 thx Jun 24 08:59:40 timeless: Well glacial preemptive ;) Jun 24 09:00:08 X-Fade: I find it more likely that Nokia felt slowed down by Symbian guys so it decided to just buy the whole thing Jun 24 09:00:21 timeless: you knew something about firefox, so ill ask you too. would you know of a service (browser plugin/software/web site) which would check which extensions (java/flash/js/activex/etc) a website needs? Jun 24 09:00:30 * aquatix welcomes opensymbian Jun 24 09:00:38 aquatix: new overlords? Jun 24 09:00:41 Okay hrw. Do I choose "PuTTY Terminal Emulator" or "PuTTY SSH Client"? Jun 24 09:00:45 not necessary Jun 24 09:00:53 but it makes me a tad happy Jun 24 09:00:53 X-Fade: ok :) Jun 24 09:00:54 macoute: oddly, no Jun 24 09:00:58 more willing to hack :) Jun 24 09:01:13 i've been meaning to try to coordinate w/ some group to make a database that lists stuff like that Jun 24 09:01:24 timeless: damn. our companys website, made by an ad company doesnt work on all comps and i cant figure out why.. Jun 24 09:01:24 X-Fade: Given that Symbian is a bunch of ticks fattened on license fees, it is very likely Jun 24 09:01:34 macoute: url? Jun 24 09:01:51 timeless: www.salesenergy.fi (flash is one, thats for sure ;)) Jun 24 09:02:11 hrw? Don't leave me hanging! :) Jun 24 09:02:14 * timeless sighs and goes to enable plugins Jun 24 09:02:15 on some comps it just keeps on loading the website with our logo Jun 24 09:02:53 does it speak english anywhere? Jun 24 09:03:02 Addison: ? I always download putty.exe Jun 24 09:03:13 timeless: not yet :( Jun 24 09:03:21 btw, tell them not to show < > arrows in small views if they aren't clickable Jun 24 09:03:49 (there's black box w/ orange text that cycles around, and it ignores clicks on the arrows until you click the black box) Jun 24 09:03:55 timeless: ah, thats true Jun 24 09:04:04 im not so happy with the new website :S Jun 24 09:04:12 hrw: or putty tray, even nicer Jun 24 09:04:19 i bet it was made by finns ;-) Jun 24 09:04:42 aquatix: if I download putty it means that I will use that box for short time and with putty + firefox only Jun 24 09:04:46 find your sales team, give them an e61i and an n810 (w/ flash disabled for both) w/ the web site loaded Jun 24 09:04:56 timeless: yeah :) Jun 24 09:04:58 tell them this is how the world sees their site Jun 24 09:05:06 wiza et al. re sbc, it runs but too slowly Jun 24 09:05:12 hrw: true Jun 24 09:05:27 * aquatix is forced to use windows at work, so is using firefox and a maximised putty tray Jun 24 09:05:30 macoute, or find the sales team, a sauna and a 9mm Jun 24 09:05:35 hrm, not to be sexist, but what's a black guy doing in a finnish video? Jun 24 09:05:45 when I have a few spare minutes I'll sit down and try re-writing the inner fn to be DSP-optimisable Jun 24 09:05:47 inz: that would be the best move Jun 24 09:05:49 * timeless thought everyone in finnland was female :) Jun 24 09:05:59 timeless: lol Jun 24 09:06:01 timeless: dont know :) maybe some quota-black male? :) Jun 24 09:06:17 timeless: hes some kind of a celebrity here (i think) Jun 24 09:06:20 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html does not have 'putty tray' or I do not see it Jun 24 09:06:46 lardman: well I'm currently running a2dp and it eats battery way too fast =) Jun 24 09:06:55 hrw: its a third party addon, i believe Jun 24 09:06:57 hrw: http://www.xs4all.nl/~whaa/putty/ Jun 24 09:06:58 try foofle Jun 24 09:06:58 macoute: btw, be sure to silence the audio on your devices Jun 24 09:07:05 explain to them that captioning is really appreciated Jun 24 09:07:11 hrw: it's a set of patches i think Jun 24 09:07:18 although, i'd prefer something where i could copy the text and paste it into a translator Jun 24 09:07:26 because i still wouldn't have a clue what they're saying :) Jun 24 09:07:41 timeless: we are actually getting at least swedish/english subtitles Jun 24 09:08:03 and as we are selling mainly b2b, id say a website with sound is a no-no Jun 24 09:08:11 heh Jun 24 09:08:16 wiza: The current decoder speed is as follows: 29s au file, ARM-only =~3s; DSP-decoding =~20s Jun 24 09:08:24 my laptop is muted, so i have on idea what the site is actually doing Jun 24 09:08:25 i dont prefer enabling my sounds to everyone in our office when watching youtube.com :) Jun 24 09:09:02 the sad thing is that this site really really doesn't need flash Jun 24 09:09:03 wiza: So needs some tweaking; I'm also a bit concerned that the disparity is so large - worried I've mis-timed it or something (bit hard just timing the data transfers without the encoding as the code gets stuck in a loop) Jun 24 09:09:10 web1.0 would have worked Jun 24 09:09:17 timeless: thats so true Jun 24 09:09:26 but hey, isnt flash sexy? :S Jun 24 09:09:42 * aquatix doesn't even have flash here Jun 24 09:09:42 * timeless wants to castrate all the finnish "web" designers Jun 24 09:09:50 ask some AD and he will praise Flash on his mac os Jun 24 09:09:53 refuses to install in my custom firefox dir Jun 24 09:09:57 timeless: :) Jun 24 09:10:09 flash is overrated Jun 24 09:10:25 lardman: ok :) is it supposed to work so that dsp decodes mp3 etc and then arm encodes the data that will be sent to headset? Jun 24 09:10:26 * timeless turns off plugins Jun 24 09:11:29 wiza: unfortunately not until I (or someone else) writes an mp3 decoder that doens't include a sink Jun 24 09:11:32 Hello all! Jun 24 09:12:14 wiza: atm libmad on ARM needs to be used to do the mp3 decode; with OpenMAX (which is the way Nokia are going, in the future), this shouldn't be a problem Jun 24 09:13:23 lardman: so will dsp be used to encode data to a2dp or how is the path going from mp3 file to headset? :D Jun 24 09:14:01 wiza: mp3 file -> libmad (ARM) -> PCM -> sbc encoder (DSP) -> output (ARM) Jun 24 09:15:01 lardman: ok Jun 24 09:15:07 lardman: I wonder how good would be floating point mpeg audio decoder on armv6-vfp Jun 24 09:15:40 hrw: ssvb has been optimising ffmpeg to do vorbis (better than Tremor) Jun 24 09:15:53 ~curse maemo for keeping binaries in /usr/share/ Jun 24 09:15:54 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, maemo for keeping binaries in /usr/share/ ! Jun 24 09:16:13 Okay hrw. I've got Putty installed. What do I choose for the "adjust window border, Gap between text and window edge"? Jun 24 09:16:14 http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/1093/51753309ix7.png Jun 24 09:16:16 lardman: nice Jun 24 09:16:33 Addison: last time I used putty few months ago - all my boxes are linux Jun 24 09:16:37 hrw: So probably pretty good if the code is optimised for fp, rather than a reference encoder (like libvorbis, which is what we base our opinions of fixed vs fp on) Jun 24 09:17:20 lardman: Don't you suspect that 20s DSP decoding time may be result of DSP somehow throttling itself? Jun 24 09:17:35 Addison: whuh, you're using putty on your tablet? Jun 24 09:17:39 lardman: After all, it probably knows that it has to deliver 29sec of audio Jun 24 09:17:43 Well, is the gap in pixels or in character length? I'm a real dip turd trying to figure this one out. Jun 24 09:17:58 * aquatix just uses ssh from the maemo terminal Jun 24 09:17:59 Addison: it will probably be in characters Jun 24 09:18:00 Addison, just test it Jun 24 09:18:02 Addison: I configured putty years ago Jun 24 09:19:38 Addison: In the connection dialog go to Window, then set the Columns & Rows? Jun 24 09:19:54 s/connection/configuration Jun 24 09:20:07 lardman: a2dp DSP still not working fast enough? Jun 24 09:20:24 RST38h: I was wondering, but when I did a quick test of DSP transfer speed (minus decoding) that took ~3.5s Jun 24 09:20:34 hmm Jun 24 09:20:50 lardman: but this does nto indicate it is not throttling Jun 24 09:20:52 RST38h: but it's hard to time, as without doing the decoding, the code never finishes, and it just hangs at the end before it's killed Jun 24 09:21:01 lardman, the dsp speed is coupled with the arm cpufreq isnt it -> if you are running on "ondemand" then is it possible the dsp is clocking back down (like i found with the cpu) Jun 24 09:21:06 lardman: the thing is, it does not have to be fast, just has to be fast ENOUGH Jun 24 09:21:29 lcuk: I don't think the DSP does variable clock speed, anyone from Nokia know for sure? Jun 24 09:21:38 RST38h: yes indeed, it's not atm :) Jun 24 09:21:42 lardman: Have you checked the battery life with dsp stuff continuously running? =) Jun 24 09:21:47 i thought they were all in some sort of little dance together Jun 24 09:22:19 might be worth switching between powersave/ondemand/performance to at least see.. Jun 24 09:22:20 Well, judging from my previous experience with ARM-derived chips, there should be several frequency controls in the OMAP chip Jun 24 09:22:22 lardman: I will do lots of testing, is there an easy-ish way to get your stuff installed? Jun 24 09:22:46 Probably one to control the master clock and separate controls for the ARM core, DSP, SDRAM bus, flash/io bus, etc Jun 24 09:23:05 RST38h: no, I've not checked the battery life Jun 24 09:23:13 RST38h: I'd be interested to know though Jun 24 09:23:24 rm_you: Let me know what you want to test and I'll give you the code Jun 24 09:23:26 I mean, speed is less important than battery life Jun 24 09:24:10 RST38h: going back to throttling, not my code is not throttling, it's passing the data through as fast as possible; something else might be (in the DSP kernel), but I can't see why Jun 24 09:24:25 So this is what I'm looking at. I can't seem to view anything. How can I confirm this is the setting for the windows option thingie? Jun 24 09:24:26 lardman: the code is available on garage, isn't it? Jun 24 09:24:32 http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3089/80768600nj7.png Jun 24 09:24:39 RST38h: yes and no, for some people, being able to reduce ARM load will be worthwhile too Jun 24 09:24:49 rm_you: yes, but not the latest DSP binary Jun 24 09:24:54 I just have no idea how to install DSP code, and especially no idea how to get it to interface with any of the bluez stuff Jun 24 09:24:59 lardman, if you wanna try do variations on echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor Jun 24 09:25:02 rm_you: and in fact I probably need to push my latest changes too Jun 24 09:25:16 lcuk: I will do that, atm it's ondemand Jun 24 09:25:31 rm_you: I can tell you Jun 24 09:25:35 k Jun 24 09:25:43 Can we move this to the ml, I've got a meeting to go to now Jun 24 09:25:57 :) wondered if you ever did any work :P Jun 24 09:26:01 or a seperate channel, so I don't lose the history Jun 24 09:26:05 lol Jun 24 09:26:09 lcuk: :p Jun 24 09:26:23 or just remember and I'll chat to you all later on Jun 24 09:26:48 #sbc-enc ? Jun 24 09:27:07 hes gone, lardman must be typing whilst actually running out of the office Jun 24 09:27:13 lol Jun 24 09:27:27 he actually does a vault over his desk pressing enter as he goes Jun 24 09:27:34 well, I guess I'll go back to battling this stupid bug more Jun 24 09:27:41 his door has a microswitch which activates the _afk nick Jun 24 09:28:26 Okay. I'm stuck on this menu. I can't click on "Open" since it doesn't do anything. Looking for a suggestion on what to do next. Jun 24 09:28:27 http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3089/80768600nj7.png Jun 24 09:28:49 why are you using putty again? :P Jun 24 09:29:18 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194754&postcount=5 Jun 24 09:29:48 addison, ive never tried putty in maemo, would it be an idea to get it on your big system and confirm all the values match? Jun 24 09:30:05 Sorry, it's a long, boring, and winded post of gibberish. It's hard for me to ask what I'm asking for. If that makes any sense. :) Jun 24 09:30:38 hrm Jun 24 09:31:37 I need to go for a quick beer run. Be back in about 5 minutes. Jun 24 09:35:01 Addison: why aren't you just using openssh? Jun 24 09:35:14 seems a lot easier and more native than putty Jun 24 09:37:20 I don't even know what openssh is? Is that kind of like Telnet? Jun 24 09:37:50 ssh Jun 24 09:37:55 Secure SHell Jun 24 09:38:13 Secure aS Hell ? :) Jun 24 09:38:24 you can just open the X Terminal Jun 24 09:38:26 All I'm looking for is to Telnet and have the screen not place text underneath the Xkbd keyboard that's on the screen. Hopefully that makes sense to someone here. Jun 24 09:38:38 and type "ssh 1.2.3.4" Jun 24 09:38:51 yeah i saw that... looking. Jun 24 09:38:56 Okay. Jun 24 09:39:05 trying to figure out how you can fool SSH into thinking it is a different size Jun 24 09:39:11 Yep! Jun 24 09:39:19 it is actually a function of the remote shell, probably Jun 24 09:39:22 That's it in a nutshell. Jun 24 09:40:01 How hard can this be? I feel like a retarded gorilla on this. Jun 24 09:40:46 would somebody know which package contains the ui-window_open.wav file? Jun 24 09:41:30 for some reason that file is present only in my ARMEL target Jun 24 09:41:35 * lcuk gives Addison a banana ;) Jun 24 09:41:53 wow, go nokia... an open symbian? Jun 24 09:42:07 Why not another beer lcuk? I could use one right about now. :) Jun 24 09:42:23 osso-sounds-ui Jun 24 09:42:30 Oh, wait. I do have one. Be back in about a minute guys. Jun 24 09:42:39 Mikho: ^^ Jun 24 09:42:39 sounds like a plan for you addison, but a bit early in the day for me Jun 24 09:43:16 all we have in the fridge here is piss beer >_< Jun 24 09:43:17 It's 5:42 in the am for me here. Nothing but to do but to abuse my drinking privileges. :) Jun 24 09:43:21 bunch of miller lite Jun 24 09:43:27 and coors >_> Jun 24 09:43:58 I want a good pint of Guinness Jun 24 09:44:13 oh djeezus shut up Jun 24 09:44:18 By the way, did I already mention that I'm hazing in and out of consciousness right now? I really could use a quick answer before I pass out in a tepid pool of my own filth. :) Jun 24 09:44:58 Mikho: you get that? Jun 24 09:45:06 Anyone got a link for this Openssh thingie? Jun 24 09:45:08 addison, your request for a specific font would be difficult, 10pixel wide is 760pixel, 11 is 836 - its not possible to get an exact fit (at least not at fullscreen Jun 24 09:45:31 Addison: it's already on the tablet Jun 24 09:45:39 hmm, already the newest version Jun 24 09:45:42 just open X Terminal and type "ssh 1.2.3.4" Jun 24 09:46:16 Okay rm. Doing that right now. Pretty soon though, I'll be typing with my feet. Just a heads up. :) Jun 24 09:47:19 Addison: you're using... telnet?! Jun 24 09:47:46 ok, just do what rm_you says ;) Jun 24 09:48:22 Okay, I give up. I typed "ssh 1.2.3.4" but it didn't do squadoosh. I just got the next line without a "$" symbol. Jun 24 09:48:32 well, not EXACTLY... unless you just happened to be the fourth IP on the 1.2.3 subnet :P Jun 24 09:48:49 lol Jun 24 09:48:56 beat me by a few seconds Jun 24 09:49:22 I don't have ssh. Well, at least I don't think so. Jun 24 09:49:29 >_> Jun 24 09:50:31 Who's drinking around here. Anyone want to play a game to get us both wasted? :) Jun 24 09:51:17 addison, some sort of shell script or do you need binary? Jun 24 09:52:03 Hey lcuk, I've basically have a fresh OS 2008 clean flash. I'm not sure what you're asking. Jun 24 09:52:18 drink more, it will become clear Jun 24 09:52:29 I am. It's not working. :( Jun 24 09:52:35 anyway, back later wrok calling Jun 24 09:52:57 Okay lcuk. Hope you can earn your money. :) Jun 24 09:53:08 drink more, your eyes are moving! Jun 24 09:53:42 What does it mean when you're hazing in and out of consciousness? Does that mean I'm not drinking fast enough? Jun 24 09:53:47 rm_you, reinstalling osso-sounds-ui did not fix the problem Jun 24 09:54:02 Mikho: :( well, that's the package it belongs to Jun 24 09:54:06 maybe I'll just copy the file Jun 24 09:54:11 good idea Jun 24 09:54:26 Nokia-N800-51-3:~# dpkg -S /usr/share/sounds/ui-window_open.wav Jun 24 09:54:26 osso-sounds-ui: /usr/share/sounds/ui-window_open.wav Jun 24 09:55:06 Hey, can someone give me the link to Openssh? Jun 24 09:55:11 oh, it was present only in my *gregale* ARMEL target Jun 24 09:55:17 The UK's streets are today a safer place for kiddies and decorated war veterans after public and police hostility forced a Gloucestershire bus-spotter to give up his lifelong hobby of snapping interesting examples of road-based public transport, Jun 24 09:55:19 Addison: you might want to install openssh in the application manager Jun 24 09:55:32 Okay aquatix. Thank you. Jun 24 09:56:15 Addison: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/openssh/?get_installfile Jun 24 09:56:27 Addison: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/openssh-client/ Jun 24 09:56:36 just search on maemo.org ;) Jun 24 09:57:39 Oh crap. There's not a .deb file? Jun 24 09:58:04 just click the darn Install link :P Jun 24 09:58:08 that will install the .deb Jun 24 09:58:26 i gotta get me one of these: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/23/knight_rider_satnav/ Jun 24 09:58:41 I'm on a computer right now. I need to email myself the link if that makes any sense. Jun 24 09:59:34 Addison: that's a possibility Jun 24 09:59:35 if you want the .deb, save the file behind that Install lini Jun 24 09:59:36 *link Jun 24 09:59:51 open it [text file] and look at the url in there Jun 24 10:00:01 hm, not the easiest way ;/ Jun 24 10:00:05 * :/ Jun 24 10:00:19 just mail yourself the link and ignore me ;) Jun 24 10:00:50 Okay aquatix. You're officially ignored. See you in the next life. :) Jun 24 10:01:02 lcuk: that's kinda awesome Jun 24 10:01:03 lol Jun 24 10:01:06 Addison: :P Jun 24 10:02:33 Okay. I just hit the link. Should I open or save the install thingie? Jun 24 10:05:46 All right. I'm looking at "Update application?" "openssh-client1:$:&p1-12.maemo1 Jun 24 10:05:53 Am I doing good so far? Jun 24 10:07:29 i guess you hit the link while browsing with your tablet? Jun 24 10:07:31 Well, I've got "openssh-client successfully updated", but guess what? I give up. What did that exactly do for me? Jun 24 10:07:33 err i guess thats right Jun 24 10:07:41 yeah, you're done now Jun 24 10:07:48 just open a Terminal on your tablet Jun 24 10:07:58 Okay. Jun 24 10:07:59 and try that `ssh ' again Jun 24 10:08:09 ah Jun 24 10:08:20 you might want to do `ssh youruser@hostname' Jun 24 10:08:37 as the default user of the tablet is `user', which it tries to log in with then Jun 24 10:08:46 * aquatix wonders whether he is still making sense Jun 24 10:08:58 the flash on maemo is 9, right? Jun 24 10:09:20 Am I typing this? "ssh 1.2.3.4" Jun 24 10:09:38 Addison: where 1.2.3.4 is the ip address of the machine you want to connect to Jun 24 10:09:46 Okay. Jun 24 10:09:56 it might also be "ssh addison@machine.com" Jun 24 10:09:57 Damn I'm about dumb. :( Jun 24 10:10:16 and if on linux, you propably want to add user before the address as stated (user@1.2.3.4) Jun 24 10:10:52 yeah, what i said ;) Jun 24 10:10:58 * aquatix wanders off for some lunch Jun 24 10:11:14 yeah, what you said :) Jun 24 10:11:23 ;) Jun 24 10:13:50 Okay, I'm looking at this right now. Jun 24 10:13:51 http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5385/61997636zn9.png Jun 24 10:14:20 All I want is a Terminal with 76x24 character width. Please someone tell me how easy this should be. :) Jun 24 10:15:35 Sorry, I need to pee and throw up right now. I'll be back in 4 minutes. :) Jun 24 10:18:52 login to an xterm, type: stty cols 76; telnet .... Jun 24 10:20:05 Okay lbt, I'll try that right now. Jun 24 10:21:17 hi Jun 24 10:21:42 how can i make canola2 (or the built in audio player) find the music i load via USB? Jun 24 10:22:24 so, has anyone noticed anything strange on *.maemo.org or *nokia* w/in the past half hour? Jun 24 10:22:43 timeless: not here <_< Jun 24 10:22:52 just been on wiki and garage Jun 24 10:23:04 timeless: diablo has been released? :) (downloading it..) Jun 24 10:23:16 luogni: yeah, so um. where did you find that?! Jun 24 10:23:26 timeless: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/gbounty/index.php?type=group&group_id=564&pluginname=gbounty Jun 24 10:23:27 :P Jun 24 10:23:39 timeless: maemo ml and itt :) Jun 24 10:23:58 ah yeah Jun 24 10:24:08 top article on ITT Jun 24 10:24:18 Diablo was uploaded around 12 Helsinki time ;) Jun 24 10:24:27 yeah quim says they're about to announce? Jun 24 10:24:36 <_berto_> diablo released ? Jun 24 10:24:39 yep Jun 24 10:24:40 Yep Jun 24 10:24:51 hrm, that didn't work Jun 24 10:25:06 woo Jun 24 10:25:08 time to reflash Jun 24 10:25:13 <_berto_> where's the download page ? Jun 24 10:25:17 hehe Jun 24 10:25:17 um, you shouldn't need to Jun 24 10:25:23 _berto_: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 24 10:25:25 berto: very good question, i can't find it from maemo.org Jun 24 10:25:26 <_berto_> thx Jun 24 10:25:26 For N810. Jun 24 10:25:29 timeless: oh? Jun 24 10:25:36 yeah i cant find it either :P Jun 24 10:25:48 x-fade: would someone please fix the web site? Jun 24 10:25:58 i shouldn't have to read some lame mailing list or forums to get news like this Jun 24 10:26:01 timeless: The announcement will be posted sone. Jun 24 10:26:05 soon. Jun 24 10:26:07 ... Jun 24 10:26:11 this is not how you do business Jun 24 10:26:22 timeless: Separate teams ;) Jun 24 10:26:28 um Jun 24 10:26:36 you're supposed to block until that other team is ready Jun 24 10:26:39 hey, great. Finally out then, eh? Cool. Jun 24 10:26:44 they had a month to get this item ready Jun 24 10:26:57 anyway, i'm going to lunch, and then i'll go back to the browser release notes Jun 24 10:27:02 which will be a few weeks late Jun 24 10:27:09 i was expecting diablo wouldn't ship this quarter Jun 24 10:27:10 timeless: Go tell that to your boss ;) Jun 24 10:27:16 my boss? Jun 24 10:27:28 lol yeah didnt expect diablo for like... 3+ months Jun 24 10:27:38 me neither Jun 24 10:27:48 timeless: It certainly doesn't help to do that here.. Jun 24 10:27:57 RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 129103249 bytes Jun 24 10:28:00 ah theres the announce on maemo Jun 24 10:28:14 is there a flasher for linux ppc ? Jun 24 10:28:47 rm_you: where? Jun 24 10:28:55 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html Jun 24 10:29:05 bleh lots of reinstalling to do Jun 24 10:29:06 and where is my usb-cable when i need it? :) Jun 24 10:29:11 gonna set up root on SD finally Jun 24 10:29:21 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/ is populated too Jun 24 10:29:37 lbt: top link Jun 24 10:29:54 ah, not on front page yet... Jun 24 10:29:58 wow and NOW maemo.org is all slow Jun 24 10:30:01 lbt: was for me Jun 24 10:30:06 oh Jun 24 10:30:09 well, the link was Jun 24 10:30:15 :P under announcements Jun 24 10:30:35 indeed - the front page has the logo as the top summary link Jun 24 10:31:22 hrm, i should start indexing i guess Jun 24 10:31:27 are the sources in the repo? Jun 24 10:31:50 timeless: they are Jun 24 10:31:51 are the sources for the display applet in the repo? :P Jun 24 10:32:52 libgps* and liblocation still closed Jun 24 10:34:22 That didn't work lbt. I actually got a 97x29 window. That's a first time getting a number like that. Jun 24 10:34:30 * timeless grins Jun 24 10:34:44 i'm still not done compressing version 4.0, but i have 53gb of free space already Jun 24 10:35:26 Well, I think it's about time I rested my gentle head right about now. Jun 24 10:36:07 I need some serious explaining to do with my wife tomorrow at the crack of 4 pm on why I slept in so late. Jun 24 10:36:09 :) Jun 24 10:36:30 I'll come back again. Thanks to everyone on their attempt to help me out. Jun 24 10:41:19 Ufff... Jun 24 10:42:24 DIABLO IS OUT?!?!?!? Jun 24 10:42:38 yep :P Jun 24 10:42:48 anyone have a link to a decent root-on-sd tutorial? Jun 24 10:42:49 looks like it, just spotted the thread over on itt ;) Jun 24 10:42:52 * RST38h is seriously considering quitting work for today and catching a car home Jun 24 10:42:56 I want to put diablo on my SD Jun 24 10:42:59 cool Jun 24 10:43:00 RST38h: Sure, for little under 2 hours now. Jun 24 10:43:29 * RST38h is dripping saliva all over the channel Jun 24 10:43:35 is there any documentation like "what's new" Jun 24 10:43:55 im lookin for release notes too Jun 24 10:43:57 is there a change list? Jun 24 10:44:17 and where is it? =) Jun 24 10:44:17 release notes would be nice Jun 24 10:45:05 release? whou. Jun 24 10:45:31 GeneralAntilles: where are you>_< Jun 24 10:45:33 johnx: you too Jun 24 10:46:49 someone else was correcting wikipedia at the same time than me :) Jun 24 10:46:55 time to do one last backup then and dust of the flasher bin Jun 24 10:47:13 rm_you: he is reflashing! =) Jun 24 10:47:28 lol Jun 24 10:47:50 so, any good tutorials for Root on SD? Jun 24 10:48:02 there isnt one on the new wiki, and the one on the old wiki is VERY outdated Jun 24 10:48:09 and confusing >_> Jun 24 10:48:33 internettablettalk contains three tutorials iirc Jun 24 10:48:44 none of them are hard Jun 24 10:49:00 google brings up nothing useful, for once >_> Jun 24 10:49:18 google: simplified howto sd clone maemo Jun 24 10:50:06 yeah i found it on itt Jun 24 10:50:38 ah so i dont install it to SD Jun 24 10:50:42 i need to flash first Jun 24 10:50:50 then I can clone Jun 24 10:51:12 yeah Jun 24 10:51:19 http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/23/2036222 what a great article :) Jun 24 10:52:47 damn intel ad there Jun 24 10:53:19 "Worried about server downtime?" i pressed "NO" intel ad: "sure about that? - solution new server blaablaa" :) Jun 24 10:53:26 lcuk: getting into the Open Source mood? :P Jun 24 10:54:19 ive been trying to for a while :P Jun 24 10:54:41 "existential self-questioning" is a good one Jun 24 10:54:48 * lcuk knows priorities will change as soon as released Jun 24 10:58:13 lcuk: did you read The Cathedral and the Bazaar yet? :P Jun 24 11:00:47 yes rm i did, and im the bishop Jun 24 11:01:09 heheh Jun 24 11:01:12 incidentally, diablo has been released Jun 24 11:01:27 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html Jun 24 11:01:28 lcuk: yes :P Jun 24 11:02:03 we've all been sitting here reflashing :) Jun 24 11:03:20 :P good Jun 24 11:03:43 will it attempt to reinstall all apps from my list after restoring Jun 24 11:03:46 * RST38h is not, he is at work running tests =( Jun 24 11:03:49 (ive not flashed) Jun 24 11:04:16 (ever with actual work stuff on device) Jun 24 11:06:03 hrm i guess this means I need to throw the newest advanced-backlight onto extras for diablo Jun 24 11:06:25 lcuk: erm... i still dont trust restore Jun 24 11:06:36 and no, at most it will restore your catalogs Jun 24 11:06:38 *repos Jun 24 11:07:18 i'm writing down all the stuff in my menus and everything i can remember that isnt Jun 24 11:07:58 rm_you: lol ;) It worked for me. I just reloaded my apps from the chinook repo btw. Jun 24 11:08:07 heh yeah but Jun 24 11:08:08 >_> Jun 24 11:08:16 yeah i guess Jun 24 11:10:18 ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 24 11:10:19 is that right? Jun 24 11:10:33 rm_you: add -f -R Jun 24 11:10:44 o Jun 24 11:10:52 to actually flash and reboot when done. Jun 24 11:10:58 k Jun 24 11:11:06 always used windoze flasher, sadly >_> Jun 24 11:11:57 oh, ADD -f -R Jun 24 11:12:02 not replace -F with them Jun 24 11:12:10 no ;) Jun 24 11:13:08 wow, is it just me or is the linux flasher way faster? >_> Jun 24 11:14:19 what is your NIT's name? :P Jun 24 11:14:26 is there any way to access the files loaded onto the n810 via usb? Jun 24 11:14:43 can't find them in the audio player Jun 24 11:14:57 Is change list known? Jun 24 11:19:10 rm_you: its a lot faster Jun 24 11:19:23 it actually flashes, i think windows somehow copies it Jun 24 11:19:46 cool Jun 24 11:20:03 also, for the record my n800's name is Nezumi ^_^ Jun 24 11:20:35 it seems that maemo is not high on nokias priorities Jun 24 11:20:43 theres nothing on nokia.com/press yet Jun 24 11:20:57 any here tried android on n8x0 ? Jun 24 11:21:02 this release was very badly publicized IMO Jun 24 11:21:14 Anunakin: wait for johnx to get back Jun 24 11:21:17 he did i think Jun 24 11:21:17 my N810 name is Nakoruru Jun 24 11:21:24 :P Jun 24 11:21:43 my cell is Nariko Jun 24 11:21:57 Lots of otaku here... Jun 24 11:22:19 :P Jun 24 11:22:22 I did not invent names for devices Jun 24 11:22:22 Desktop: Yuzuki, Server: Haruka. NIT: Nezumi, Cell Phone: Kotone, TV: Mizuno Jun 24 11:22:35 ^_^ Jun 24 11:22:37 im boring and just use defaults... Jun 24 11:23:06 Phone: comlog. NIT: padlog. Jun 24 11:23:32 Laptop: tesseract. And the media server is nameless, as it runs Windows anyway Jun 24 11:23:58 oh yeah, Laptop: Takara Jun 24 11:24:01 i surely need a naming convention for my devices Jun 24 11:24:14 desktop: home, laptop: maluch, tablets, pdas lack names Jun 24 11:24:16 i tried nmapping for ssh-servers on my lan as i didnt remember the ip of one of them one day Jun 24 11:24:22 I like my naming convention :) Jun 24 11:24:24 rm_you: nice names! Jun 24 11:24:24 my other desktop is also 'home' Jun 24 11:24:28 i found 12 ssh-servers runnin on my lan :) Jun 24 11:24:36 Desktop: Raytray, tablet: Ray800, phone: RayU470 Jun 24 11:24:40 hehe Jun 24 11:24:48 :P Jun 24 11:24:52 (and i have a wii, an xbox and 2 windows-laptops without ssh) :) Jun 24 11:25:19 I have 5 devices on my network with SSH currently >_> Jun 24 11:25:21 most of them were some embedded devices though (wlan ap, a router, etc) Jun 24 11:25:33 oh, 4... I just reflashed my n800, and ssh is failing to install properly Jun 24 11:25:41 on diablo? Jun 24 11:25:46 rm_you, heh... I have a server with 4 ssh servers on it :P Jun 24 11:25:52 yeah but same problem i had on chinook Jun 24 11:26:06 crashanddie: lol?! :P Jun 24 11:26:26 whats the use of four ssh-servers on one server? Jun 24 11:26:29 I have just installed openssh from chinook on diablo, no problem. Jun 24 11:26:32 rm_you, virtualization Jun 24 11:26:52 crashanddie: blah, thats 4 servers then and all containing 1 ssh-server :) Jun 24 11:26:58 X-Fade: i've never gotten the .install for openssh client and server to work Jun 24 11:27:05 it always fails Jun 24 11:27:17 macoute_, well, one power plug, one server :P Jun 24 11:27:17 I used application manager. Jun 24 11:27:38 crashanddie: well, four os's, four servers :P Jun 24 11:27:50 X-Fade: usually does not work for ssh Jun 24 11:28:05 RST38h: Did for me 5 minutes ago :) Jun 24 11:28:18 i wrote to nokias head for products and services communications about change log and press release Jun 24 11:28:18 maybe they got it fixed Jun 24 11:28:47 Just added chinook extras to the repository list. Jun 24 11:29:30 X-Fade: ? Jun 24 11:29:50 I just compiled and running ... REminiscence (a Flashback engine for Linux) on my N810 Jun 24 11:30:12 rm_you: Most applications work on both chinook and diablo. Jun 24 11:30:13 flashback? the game? Jun 24 11:30:15 remapped some keys.. and this working nice... Jun 24 11:30:17 yes Jun 24 11:30:22 the game Jun 24 11:30:33 X-Fade: right but how? I never used the application manager. EVER. Jun 24 11:30:58 If you made a backup it would prompt you for it ;) Jun 24 11:31:08 i didnt Jun 24 11:31:19 I working at "Another World" game too... but this need a cracked version of this old game Jun 24 11:44:12 umm, which software should I use to flash Jun 24 11:44:17 I have mac os x on intel... Jun 24 11:45:42 wiza, flasher-2.0 Jun 24 11:46:21 the PPC version? Jun 24 11:47:12 johnx: Diablo :P Jun 24 11:47:42 rm_you, what? Jun 24 11:47:52 X-Fade: enabled a bazillion repos and enabled red-pill, still cant find openssh. will just do it via apt-get Jun 24 11:47:54 wiza, yes, I think so Jun 24 11:48:01 johnx: diablo :P Jun 24 11:48:10 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jun 24 11:48:19 oh Jun 24 11:48:23 interesting Jun 24 11:48:33 official release was a few hours ago Jun 24 11:48:37 rawk Jun 24 11:48:43 just flashed Jun 24 11:48:46 about to set up root on sd Jun 24 11:48:56 rm_you: It is just called openssh, and it is in extras ;) Jun 24 11:49:10 X-Fade: have extras, looked, searched, nothing Jun 24 11:50:00 rm_you: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/o/openssh/ It really is there. Jun 24 11:50:31 yes it is in chinook, just changed it in my sources.list Jun 24 11:50:42 app manager doesnt let me select distro name anywhere :/ Jun 24 11:50:44 rm_you: Did you fill in chinook in the distribution field? Jun 24 11:51:00 That is what I did. Jun 24 11:52:02 err i was scanning for a "diablo" to replace Jun 24 11:52:12 it was just blank, i guess blank means diablo Jun 24 11:53:14 Hi , I am unable to scp any files on my N810 memory status is at http://pastebin.com/md0acd9b Jun 24 11:53:18 what is "OS2008 Feature Upgrade" and ... "(Unlocked) Jun 24 11:54:23 Meanwhile: In the wake of today's news of the Symbian Foundation being set up, UI company UIQ have announced plans to layoff of 200 employees Jun 24 11:54:56 (out of 375 total) Jun 24 11:55:25 >_> Jun 24 11:55:46 jitu3485, there is an issue where the 810 2GB internal card is released with incorrect parameters, from the looks of your pastebin you have nearly filled your mmc2, its possible you could have run into this corruption problem? Jun 24 11:56:01 what have they been doing for the past 2 years? (the uiq guys...) Jun 24 11:56:11 actually forget that i need glasses Jun 24 11:56:25 * lcuk puts glass_ on Jun 24 11:56:35 * Jaffa catches up with the "diablo released" thing. Presumably N810W release not synchronized? Jun 24 11:57:08 jaffa, most reasonable scenario is slower than expected rollout by worldwide isps for wimax? Jun 24 11:57:40 lcuk, thanks for information Jun 24 11:57:55 jitu3485, don't thank me, it was wrong Jun 24 11:58:04 your mmc2 is practically empty Jun 24 11:59:02 lcuk, ten what may be the problem any idea? Jun 24 11:59:02 htm Jun 24 11:59:20 %s/ten/then/g Jun 24 11:59:31 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jun 24 11:59:31 osso-software-version-rx34: Depends: flash-and-reboot (= 3) but it is not going to be installed Jun 24 11:59:31 Depends: initfs-flasher (= 0.95.16-200823maemo2) but it is not going to be installed Jun 24 11:59:31 Depends: kernel-diablo-flasher (= 2.6.21-200823maemo3) but it is not going to be installed Jun 24 11:59:35 weird Jun 24 11:59:44 apt-get -f install just makes them install Jun 24 12:00:37 lcuk: agreed, which is why I was hoping for a seperate release. Oh, and the 2Q date has been met too :-) Jun 24 12:01:02 rm_you: you flashed, right? Jun 24 12:04:31 yes Jun 24 12:04:42 wow, this root on SD tutorial is OLD Jun 24 12:04:57 it always makes me uneasy following guides that tell me "and now if you want you can upgrade to Sardine" >_< Jun 24 12:05:19 why, it was perfectly valid until it was killed yesterday :P Jun 24 12:05:20 tell me jitu3485 Jun 24 12:07:10 ranit, what? Jun 24 12:07:13 jitu3485: / is full, it shouldn't be like that Jun 24 12:07:24 the only thing that confuses me is why they ALWAYS have at least two partitions on the SD card, one vfat and one ext2 Jun 24 12:07:40 the OS goes on the ext2, wtf do i want a random fat partition for? Jun 24 12:07:41 hello Jun 24 12:07:53 can't i just have the entire card for the OS? Jun 24 12:08:20 rm_you, I remember there being some reason...but it didn't seem like a good enough reason to bother Jun 24 12:08:37 i'll give it a 1kb partition Jun 24 12:08:40 to keep it happy Jun 24 12:08:45 <_< Jun 24 12:08:52 * johnx will buy some SD cards soon... Jun 24 12:09:01 johnx: I have an extra 4g... Jun 24 12:09:11 great...send it to me :P Jun 24 12:09:13 :P Jun 24 12:09:15 tape it to a postcard Jun 24 12:09:17 lol Jun 24 12:09:26 I need to send you that shirt still Jun 24 12:09:35 i was just gonna send it and have you be like... "oh!" :P Jun 24 12:09:41 but i dont remember your address Jun 24 12:10:15 i have some problems adding a start menu item on my n770. i already put the .desktop file into my /usr/share/applications/hildon and i can see it in under "extras" in my start menu, but when i click on it nothing happens Jun 24 12:10:24 i wrote the file myself Jun 24 12:11:45 the file looks like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365340/ Jun 24 12:12:22 Gah! Just realised I haven't got my Nokia's USB cable here today Jun 24 12:12:29 bah wtf, can't unmount my mmc to repartition Jun 24 12:12:36 Jaffa: nooo!!! Jun 24 12:12:52 Jaffa: just poke someone for a camera cable... it's just usb Jun 24 12:12:59 or you have n810? >_> Jun 24 12:13:05 i am trying to start an application which is trying to connect to a server. the application starts, establishes a connection but fails to open the gui... Jun 24 12:13:20 rm_you, you should be able to unmount it no problem Jun 24 12:13:34 rm_you, make sure you don't any app using it/console with the pwd on MMC Jun 24 12:13:35 there are no problems starting it directly from the command line Jun 24 12:13:42 via ssh Jun 24 12:13:56 schilling, do you use run-standalone.sh ? Jun 24 12:13:59 rm_you: N810 Jun 24 12:14:10 * Jaffa can carefully ensure he backs up everything he wants Jun 24 12:14:10 Jaffa: :( Jun 24 12:15:20 crashanddie, i didn't know this. until now i just started it via the command line using a ssh connection Jun 24 12:15:40 schilling, run-standalone is a wrapper script Jun 24 12:15:56 you might want to use it in order to define correct behavior Jun 24 12:16:08 ok Jun 24 12:16:33 i am going to try this one, thanks... bbl Jun 24 12:19:18 hmm - on linux lsusb says: Jun 24 12:19:20 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet Jun 24 12:19:29 :P Jun 24 12:19:30 but flasher-3.0 says Jun 24 12:19:35 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Jun 24 12:19:37 lbt: run as root Jun 24 12:19:43 :) Jun 24 12:19:45 yes Jun 24 12:19:53 your user probably doesnt have write access to the usb device Jun 24 12:19:54 * konttori wonders how many people had alseady ssu'd to the 23-14 Jun 24 12:19:56 that was my problem Jun 24 12:20:02 Diablo is out? really? Jun 24 12:20:06 yep Jun 24 12:20:11 nice Jun 24 12:20:51 right when I thought I was nearly done making my n800 exactly the way I wanted it :) Jun 24 12:21:17 hmm. now that diablo ships modest, I wonder what to do with that component called "email" in bugzilla. conflicts, sigh... :-) Jun 24 12:21:41 andre: pre-diablo email? :) Jun 24 12:22:19 hehe. maybe, yeah. but we also got a "modest" component already. need to install diablo and take a look myself whether the name "modest" is written somewhere at all. i doubt Jun 24 12:22:40 Is modest still breaking backups? Jun 24 12:24:32 crashanddie, same as before... when starting it using: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/ the server is getting an incoming connection, but obviously there is a mistake and the GUI is not starting up. Jun 24 12:24:41 ah, there was the reflash done Jun 24 12:25:31 schilling, then you might want to debug in order to find out what's really happening. The wrapper script is *needed*, because that's how it's going to behave once it's launched from the menu Jun 24 12:26:03 but when using /root/infogui -ip 192.168.77.1 using the shell it works fine. so i guess there is a problem in my .desktop file :( Jun 24 12:26:59 hhmm.. that's bad. i only have the binary file here. Jun 24 12:27:22 schilling, there's your problem Jun 24 12:27:30 schilling, I don't know how arguments are handled Jun 24 12:27:45 RST38h, if modest does, is there a bug report? Jun 24 12:27:46 when using a desktop file? Jun 24 12:27:47 damn now I gotta update my sdk as well.. Jun 24 12:28:02 schilling, you might want to show the GUI, and add a menu option to connect to the server Jun 24 12:28:03 but i think the arguments are handeld right, because the server gets an incoming connection Jun 24 12:28:34 RST38h: I made a backup on chinook and restored in diablo. Modest worked fine? Jun 24 12:29:11 diablo public ? Jun 24 12:29:12 schilling: you don't need to put run-standalone in the desktop file. You should use it from the terminal when you want to test launching your app Jun 24 12:29:14 !!! unknown initfs version 2008-24, cannot install bootmenu Jun 24 12:29:14 i spoke to the person who wrote the tool. another possibility might be that the pictures are missing. they should be in the same folder as the program binary Jun 24 12:29:15 :( Jun 24 12:29:48 luogni, both works fine. with our w/o run-standalone Jun 24 12:30:00 andre: No idea although I know exactly WHY it did Jun 24 12:30:02 schilling: is the program looking for a specific path or it just checks cwd? Jun 24 12:30:13 luogni: to look for icons, i mean Jun 24 12:30:18 X-Fade: did you have modest in Chinook? Jun 24 12:30:24 RST38h: Yep Jun 24 12:30:35 X-Fade: then it must have been fixed Jun 24 12:30:40 ETA: 2 minutes Jun 24 12:31:01 luogni, the program looks for pictures which are then used inside the program Jun 24 12:31:01 X-Fade: At some point, Modest saved email addresses in its XML config file with @ signs Jun 24 12:31:05 diablo extras is empty.. :( Jun 24 12:31:09 anyone have a good tutorial to install diablo on the internal MMC ? Jun 24 12:31:11 haha Jun 24 12:31:18 X-Fade: And Chinook XML parses choked on those Jun 24 12:31:21 luogni: Just use the chinook one for now. Jun 24 12:31:25 but it works fine as long as they are located in the same folder as the binaries Jun 24 12:31:28 crashanddie: thats what i'm looking for Jun 24 12:31:30 X-Fade: yeah will do :) Jun 24 12:31:31 s/parses/parser/ Jun 24 12:31:31 RST38h meant: X-Fade: And Chinook XML parser choked on those Jun 24 12:31:48 schilling: yeah but where is the program looking ? Jun 24 12:31:55 crashanddie: the problem is that i'm not sure we can boot from mmc yet, as fanoush's custom init thing doesnt work at the moment Jun 24 12:32:01 since there is a new initfs <_< Jun 24 12:32:04 The weird part is that other (non-modest) parts of the system were affected by this bug Jun 24 12:32:06 in the same folder Jun 24 12:32:09 RST38h: Hmm, I don't know. It has been a while since I had to restore a backup ;) Well, until today. Jun 24 12:32:19 luogni: if you ssh to the device, cd / and then /root/infogui -ip .... does it work ? Jun 24 12:32:33 * luogni likes to speak to himself Jun 24 12:32:36 RST38h: Maybe the xml libs were updated. Jun 24 12:32:39 X-Fade: If you are not seeing any abnormal behaviour in App Installer, etc. then it must have been fixed Jun 24 12:32:41 schilling: it was for you my last message.. Jun 24 12:32:50 what confuses me: the _only thing_ that changes is the way it is started. using the command line works, using the desktop link i created (http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/) is not working Jun 24 12:33:05 ah, the joys of recovering the software one ones had installed... Jun 24 12:33:06 luogni, definately Jun 24 12:33:08 it works 100% Jun 24 12:33:09 * crashanddie is going to go with a clean Diablo install, no backup :P Jun 24 12:33:16 RST38h: I made backup today, so I was running latest modest. Maybe that is the difference. Jun 24 12:33:18 * rm_you agrees Jun 24 12:33:25 schilling: even if you launch it from a different directory ? Jun 24 12:33:25 schilling, does the same behavior happen with the run-standalone.sh script as with the .desktop file? Jun 24 12:33:30 johnx: installing Diablo? Jun 24 12:33:35 if so one of the env variables set is messing you up Jun 24 12:33:39 rm_you, as we speak :P Jun 24 12:33:43 :P Jun 24 12:33:49 rm_you, just finished my rsync backup Jun 24 12:33:49 you do root on SD? Jun 24 12:33:55 johnx, luogni: doesn't matter which directory as long as the two pictures and the bnary are in the same one Jun 24 12:33:58 rm_you, not usually Jun 24 12:34:11 oh, tho to boot debian you'll need to deal with the same issue I am ATM Jun 24 12:34:31 schilling, does it work when run from run-standalone.sh? sorry if you already answered that... Jun 24 12:34:39 can we use one of fanoush's old initfs images? Jun 24 12:34:40 johnx, luogni: and it does not matter if i type "./infogui -ip ..." or "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh ./infogui -ip ..." Jun 24 12:35:01 both work Jun 24 12:35:16 flashed. Jun 24 12:35:48 that does not seem to be the matter... it seems to be an issue at how the "desktop" opens the file Jun 24 12:36:09 can anyone confirm that my file is right: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365423/ Jun 24 12:36:14 hrw: does agps work? Jun 24 12:36:24 schilling: well, you're telling that the apps start fine, right? event from the menu i mean. Jun 24 12:36:26 RST38h: yesterday it was working Jun 24 12:36:30 schilling: yeah it seems correct Jun 24 12:36:45 schilling: remove the run-standalone part Jun 24 12:37:02 luogni, it starts and the server tells me that there is an incoming connection Jun 24 12:37:05 and this time I have battery applet visible.. Jun 24 12:37:06 hrw: yes, but that was before flashing the official release =) Jun 24 12:37:21 Can I use diablo with dual boot from fanoush.wz.cz ? Jun 24 12:37:24 but i can't see the application using "top" in the command line or on my n770 Jun 24 12:37:26 RST38h: just flashed - have to check first Jun 24 12:37:36 So, what have I missed? Jun 24 12:37:44 lardman: Diablo release ;) Jun 24 12:37:56 rm_you: if you would like to do some debugging, it should be much easier now that Diablo is released Jun 24 12:38:01 downloading flash image :) Jun 24 12:38:06 lardman: cool Jun 24 12:38:17 X-Fade: yeah, saw that at home & grabbed a copy while the server was still running ;) Jun 24 12:38:19 done :) Jun 24 12:38:29 still having a problem with flasher-3.0 - any ideas? "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" Jun 24 12:38:32 lardman: Well, it seems to hold up now ;) Jun 24 12:38:33 i talked again to the programmer. it is very likely that there is a probem with the images Jun 24 12:38:37 I see first regression since chinook Jun 24 12:38:38 running as root Jun 24 12:38:39 rm_you: What sorts of debugging were you thinking of? Jun 24 12:38:40 lbt and that is as root? Jun 24 12:38:41 hrm Jun 24 12:38:44 X-Fade: Good good Jun 24 12:38:54 hrw: what is it? Jun 24 12:39:01 schilling: i think the problem is that the program looks for icons in the current working directory Jun 24 12:39:07 lardman: what I normally do... tons of mundane fiddling with settings and states of random things Jun 24 12:39:07 wifi applet say that I am connected to 'hrw' instead of 'Dom' Jun 24 12:39:11 schilling: so it works if you do "./infobot ...." Jun 24 12:39:13 what i mean: when sarting it via the command line it looks for the pictures in the same directory... when using the desktop file it doesn't seem to fint them Jun 24 12:39:19 lsusb is: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:04c3 Nokia Mobile Phones N800 Internet Tablet Jun 24 12:39:21 luogni, yes Jun 24 12:39:21 network ssid is 'hrw' but connection is named 'Dom' Jun 24 12:39:25 schilling: but it doesn't work if you start from the path Jun 24 12:39:28 lardman: which produces useful results a surprisingly high percent of the time Jun 24 12:39:30 hrw: I see Jun 24 12:39:36 schilling, couldn't you set the pwd ? Jun 24 12:39:37 luogni, when i start it using the desktop file Jun 24 12:39:40 schilling: so.. tell your programmer to fix the app :) Jun 24 12:39:51 luogni, that might be a problem Jun 24 12:39:52 rm_you: to do much testing, you'll probably need the DSP cross-toolchain setup Jun 24 12:39:53 he is not here Jun 24 12:39:54 :( Jun 24 12:40:10 lardman: i think i did that already Jun 24 12:40:13 err not for diablo :/ Jun 24 12:40:19 schilling: you can to a simple shell file, like "#!/bin/sh cd /root ./infobot -ip ...." Jun 24 12:40:27 i don't understand why there should be any difference when starting it from the command line or via the desktop shortcut Jun 24 12:40:29 schilling: and launch the shell file from the desktop Jun 24 12:40:43 schilling, desktop/run-standalone.sh are wrapper scripts Jun 24 12:40:44 rm_you: ah cool, ok then. Will you be online this evening? I can push my latest changes and give you instructions as to how to setup then Jun 24 12:40:46 schilling: erm, I think when you start from the .desktop files via menus, it expects dbus tie-ins Jun 24 12:41:03 lardman: by this evening, if you mean "in approximately 20 hours", yes Jun 24 12:41:09 maybe 18 Jun 24 12:41:11 ha! initfs space is doubled in diablo Jun 24 12:41:12 schilling: because if you launch a file from the desktop the system doesn't set the current working directory to "/root" so your program can't find images Jun 24 12:41:16 rm_you: for me ~5 hours Jun 24 12:41:20 was 0x200000 before Jun 24 12:41:26 luogni, that might be the problem Jun 24 12:41:36 lardman: it is 5:41 am here Jun 24 12:41:56 and how do i place a shell file on th desktop? Jun 24 12:41:57 rm_you: ok, so I'll run through it with you at morning coffee time then :) Jun 24 12:41:58 lardman: i need to sleep in about 20 minutes, and then i will be driving around and busy until probably 2am+ Jun 24 12:42:31 rm_you: if you send me an email, I can give you the instructions, etc. that way if you'd like Jun 24 12:42:40 hrw: hrm, i wonder how that affected the fanoush initfs flash Jun 24 12:42:41 schilling: 1) create a shell file that sets cwd and starts your file. 2) put it in /root/launch_infobot 3) change your .desktop file to launch launch_infobot Jun 24 12:42:45 did I need anything else besides -F and -R for the flasher? Jun 24 12:42:53 considering i just did it.. Jun 24 12:42:56 LoCusF_: -f also Jun 24 12:43:09 rm_you: ok thanks Jun 24 12:43:11 LoCusF_: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html#SECTION00470000000000000000 Jun 24 12:43:12 luogni, ok thank you Jun 24 12:43:12 rm_you: 2MB larger should not affect Jun 24 12:43:38 lbt: thanks to you too :) Jun 24 12:43:46 schilling: no problem, tell me if it works or if you need something else :) Jun 24 12:44:57 and the .desktop file should look like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365518/ Jun 24 12:45:00 luogni Jun 24 12:45:19 schilling: yes Jun 24 12:45:23 ok thanks Jun 24 12:45:48 lbt, at work at the moment, but git started to build nicely, only an issue when it got to building perl sections... ill see whats wrong with it later Jun 24 12:46:36 schilling: and launch_infobot is something like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/365532/ Jun 24 12:46:51 schilling: remeber to set it exec (chmod a+x /root/launch_infobot) Jun 24 12:47:03 anyone done diablo update to n810 yet? Jun 24 12:47:10 just did Jun 24 12:47:14 there be any showstoppers? Jun 24 12:47:28 or wow-worthy upgrades Jun 24 12:48:48 Is the bluez-utils version still 3.28osso4? Jun 24 12:49:45 lardman: yes Jun 24 12:49:59 lardman: 3.28-0osso4 Jun 24 12:50:00 luogni: cool, thanks Jun 24 12:50:36 is there some howto on the daiblo update? and what role does the playback play Jun 24 12:50:38 errrr Jun 24 12:50:40 backup! Jun 24 12:51:12 Ave: Just make a backup in chinook. Flash image, automatically restore backup. Jun 24 12:51:32 this might be the placebo effect, but I do have the feeling the browser is snappier Jun 24 12:51:41 yay Jun 24 12:51:48 X-Fade: ok, I'll try .. Jun 24 12:52:22 suppose I'll take backup to external sd-card and remove the thing during flashing, just in case Jun 24 12:52:54 Ave: No. Jun 24 12:53:16 Ave: Well, backup to the exernal card is ok. But you don't need to remove it. Jun 24 12:53:29 I'm just paranoid Jun 24 12:53:34 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-1_comes_with_new_tools-better_documentation_and_a_promoted_extras_repository.html Jun 24 12:53:40 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008_feature_upgrade-reflash_your_tablet-for_the_last_time.html Jun 24 12:53:42 I just backed up settings/contacts/bookmarks, nothing else, works fine Jun 24 12:53:45 Ave: Well, it doesn't hurt. But doesn't make sense :) Jun 24 12:53:50 yeah Jun 24 12:54:05 but ah.. what happens to root-fs? Jun 24 12:54:16 I've done changes to rx44 xkb for example, remapping some keys Jun 24 12:54:17 That gets zapped. Jun 24 12:54:19 I suppose those are gone Jun 24 12:54:41 Yes, you need to backup those manually.. Jun 24 12:55:07 ok that kinda marks how I'll spend this night Jun 24 12:55:27 Ave: It should be the last time you need to do that ;) Jun 24 12:55:30 hmm my software requires 586 MB of memory ... Jun 24 12:56:10 so they say Jun 24 12:56:33 Ave: Well, 'they' haven't said that before. Jun 24 12:56:42 luogni, it work! :) Jun 24 12:56:54 now i have to find a way to add a shortcut to the desktop Jun 24 12:57:23 using simple-launcher_0.9.5_armel.deb Jun 24 12:57:29 schilling: cool! Jun 24 12:58:31 yeahhh Jun 24 12:58:33 it works ;) Jun 24 12:58:54 just had to reboot the device to get the start menu entry into the options of simple launcher Jun 24 13:00:03 now i just have to define an icon inside the .desktop file ;) Jun 24 13:00:09 lcuk: re git... :) Jun 24 13:02:59 crashanddie: no placebo, its faster on mine as well Jun 24 13:03:08 LoCusF_, cool :) Jun 24 13:03:51 yay root is /dev/mmcblk0p2 :) Jun 24 13:04:01 i can finally install wesnoth! :P Jun 24 13:04:01 also the icons are smaller Jun 24 13:05:38 What's the deal with rtorrent? Is there a binary version out there? Jun 24 13:08:49 all chinook apps do work on diablo, right? Jun 24 13:10:35 LoCusF_: If they don't use strict dependencies, yes. Jun 24 13:10:46 I haven't found an application that didn't work.. Jun 24 13:12:12 hmm release notes for flasher are wrong... Jun 24 13:12:19 they say Turn off the Nokia Internet Tablet Jun 24 13:12:35 should say Turn off *and unplug the powerfrom * the Nokia Internet Tablet Jun 24 13:12:49 then After this command, turn on the device, and the flashing will start Jun 24 13:12:51 should be Jun 24 13:12:52 have to unplug to turn off Jun 24 13:13:04 or you press power and select "turn off" Jun 24 13:13:14 sorry for being a user Jun 24 13:13:15 I'm having the feeling the battery is running hotter Jun 24 13:13:21 but that's what it says Jun 24 13:13:36 no, you're mostly right Jun 24 13:13:39 should also say After this command, plug the power into the device, and the flashing will start Jun 24 13:13:53 should say "Unplug the power from the device and then turn it off" Jun 24 13:13:56 order is important Jun 24 13:14:32 woa, Diablo released? Jun 24 13:14:37 yep Jun 24 13:14:41 think I'm gonna reflash tonight. Jun 24 13:14:47 lbt, those instructions are on the wiki, aren't they? Jun 24 13:14:50 Fresh install. My current one is a bit hacked ;) Jun 24 13:14:50 can any talk me howto install diablo without loose my apps? Jun 24 13:15:02 rm_you: not really? it'll shut down all the wauy either way Jun 24 13:15:06 so, there is a UKMP Dark, is there a UKMP Light? Jun 24 13:15:22 UKMP Pink should also be available Jun 24 13:15:29 For completeness Jun 24 13:15:30 sp3000: IIRC it does not completely shut down if it is plugged in Jun 24 13:16:18 Anunakin: I'm not sure it can be done, completely. Jun 24 13:16:48 Anunakin: you'll be bound to lose some apps Jun 24 13:17:48 The die-hard Linux way I'd recommend to save you some trouble to find out what you have lost, is to take a backup of the repositories-file, and a dpkg --get-selections Jun 24 13:18:26 Veggen: Or just make a backup, flash diablo and it will restore them automatically ;) Jun 24 13:18:32 which you can probably compare with a dpkg --get-selections after upgrade. Jun 24 13:18:44 Veggen: And otherwise use the 'restore applications' option in the application manager. Jun 24 13:18:46 the problem is that many apps aren't in Diablo yet Jun 24 13:18:49 X-Fade: well..not if you've installed manually. Jun 24 13:18:52 johnx: no , here: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node4.html Jun 24 13:19:00 looks like rtorrent was never ported to the nit. someone said they were going to port it a year ago. Jun 24 13:19:05 * unixSnob settles for ctorrent Jun 24 13:19:10 and the login link at that page is wrong Jun 24 13:19:14 and that apps will be shown grey shaded in the list of apps to restore Jun 24 13:19:25 eocanha: Just change the distribution line for extras to chinook for now. Jun 24 13:19:40 hmmm... nice trick. Thanks Jun 24 13:20:00 and that won't harm the currently installed diablo packages? Jun 24 13:20:01 lbt, wow...you found instructions I've never even seen O_o Jun 24 13:20:30 unixSnob: there is a port of Transmission Jun 24 13:20:37 there seems to be a lot there Jun 24 13:20:46 it needs to be immutable wiki though Jun 24 13:20:52 so comments can be added Jun 24 13:21:35 lbt, the instructions I usually point users at are here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS Jun 24 13:21:56 lbt: We're working on that. Jun 24 13:22:00 rtcomm applet is simplified too Jun 24 13:22:38 in chinook+rtcomm beta it displayed each jabber account as bulb. now it show one bulb nevermind how many jabber accounts I have Jun 24 13:23:10 rm_you, is that what you recommend? Jun 24 13:23:43 \o/ Jun 24 13:23:53 * aquatix comes back from lunch and Diablo is released Jun 24 13:24:04 hmm this sucks Jun 24 13:24:10 now the device froze up Jun 24 13:24:10 that was a long lunch... Jun 24 13:24:48 X-Fade: nice - ta Jun 24 13:25:15 is there a hacked initfs for diablo yet (to boot from sd)? Jun 24 13:26:23 RST38h: ;) Jun 24 13:26:30 RST38h: we had a slow waitress... Jun 24 13:26:45 and it was nice on the terrace Jun 24 13:27:07 anybody already running diablo final? Jun 24 13:27:22 aquatix: yes Jun 24 13:27:33 i guess it's good? :) Jun 24 13:27:34 yep Jun 24 13:27:44 johnx: I symlinked the latest 2007 initfs to the correct name (initfs.2008-24.tgz) and it worked Jun 24 13:27:44 it's blue Jun 24 13:27:45 err Jun 24 13:27:47 rm_you: it does once you unplug it Jun 24 13:27:48 maybe not -24 Jun 24 13:27:51 but whatever it says Jun 24 13:28:06 err Jun 24 13:28:07 jott: Jun 24 13:28:10 lbt: the theme changed? Jun 24 13:28:12 above was for you Jun 24 13:28:40 so order doesn't matter, though unplugging first kinda does sound less racey and weird Jun 24 13:30:15 aquatix: maybe - I may not recall the last default Jun 24 13:30:37 aquatix: Just a little bit. Jun 24 13:30:43 lbt: ah, as you said `it's blue' :) Jun 24 13:30:46 X-Fade: ok Jun 24 13:30:53 * aquatix kinda likes the default os2008 theme Jun 24 13:31:08 aquatix: You will like this one too then :) Jun 24 13:31:29 kk :) Jun 24 13:31:44 good opportunity to clean up my tablet Jun 24 13:31:56 Changes between SDK releases here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html Jun 24 13:32:03 i measured n810 context switch speed by writing a program that forks, and the two processes send 1 byte messages to each other a million times. I got 6446 clocks / context switch. On AMD64 2GHz I got 4692 clocks / context switch. Jun 24 13:32:08 I'm positively surprised :) Jun 24 13:32:08 6.81MB free Jun 24 13:32:31 shd: hm :) Jun 24 13:32:49 wow Jun 24 13:32:56 but note, context switch can be slower than this.. Jun 24 13:34:17 X-Fade: ! thanks ! Jun 24 13:34:34 shd, depends on the number of processes that are running on your desktop though Jun 24 13:35:15 crashanddie: there weren't other active applications that would significantly alter results Jun 24 13:36:14 shd: Yes but how frequent are context switches? Jun 24 13:36:38 nfs has gone? Jun 24 13:36:55 shd: And how many other programs have been running in background (even if they are not showing up as applications) Jun 24 13:38:25 and ssh? Jun 24 13:38:30 RST38h: ~2 million context switches in 34 secs Jun 24 13:38:56 shd: is it n810 or amd? Jun 24 13:39:00 n810 Jun 24 13:39:05 and amd? Jun 24 13:39:09 initial ctx value (from /proc/stat) Jun 24 13:39:27 19482323 -> 21485745 Jun 24 13:39:50 wait, isn't 17us a bit short for a context switch? Jun 24 13:40:02 that is 2003422 ctx switches, so there were not many extra switches.. Jun 24 13:40:16 RST38h: no Jun 24 13:40:31 linux in general does context switches in several microseconds, often... Jun 24 13:41:27 hey, just making sure: RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, titled "The latest IT OS 2008 release for Nokia N800", that's the diablo image, right? Jun 24 13:41:34 i mean, the "actual" one Jun 24 13:41:43 4.2 means diablo Jun 24 13:41:50 hm... that question didn't seem as stupid in my head... :) Jun 24 13:42:01 wait, that is the year! =) Jun 24 13:42:18 tlacuache: But yeah. Diablo is released. Jun 24 13:42:37 terrific. thanks. Jun 24 13:44:25 tlacuache: It is in the filename ;) Jun 24 13:45:15 yeah, i saw that after i already posted. it's really early, i swear... Jun 24 13:45:31 damn, is it already week 23 Jun 24 13:45:34 tlacuache: The coffee excuse always works ;) Jun 24 13:45:42 i was looking at the string of numbers 4.2008.23-14 and somehow my eyes glazed over the "diablo" part Jun 24 13:46:07 tlacuache: that's because of the all-caps ;) Jun 24 13:46:15 it's week 26 now. Jun 24 13:46:53 myeah Jun 24 13:47:07 so, even worse than 23. :( Jun 24 13:47:10 so, isn't 4.2008.23-14 a tad old then? or is that just me Jun 24 13:47:11 yeah, that's a good excuse... the all-caps. yeah, that was it... Jun 24 13:47:29 aquatix: They need to do QA on it too, you know. Jun 24 13:47:51 tlacuache: i always read over the obvious texts too; i guess too much internet does that to you Jun 24 13:47:56 It is not like the say, "Ok it is ready", build it, ship it ;) Jun 24 13:47:57 X-Fade: nah... ;) Jun 24 13:48:09 * aquatix should revisit his development cycle ;) Jun 24 13:48:16 X-Fade: but fair enough :) Jun 24 13:48:25 * aquatix is going to install this evening Jun 24 13:48:30 is there some application changelog chinook vs diablo? Jun 24 13:48:34 closed bugs, something Jun 24 13:49:26 ave: there's this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_comparison.html and this http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_changes.html Jun 24 13:49:31 shows package differences, i guess Jun 24 13:50:01 But well. Let's hope they releases bug-fixes apt-get upgradeable from now on? Jun 24 13:50:35 Veggen: They have been doing that in the 'pre-releases', so I guess so. Jun 24 13:50:49 yeehaw Jun 24 13:51:06 thanks, I'll head home soon and goof up my n810 Jun 24 13:51:37 * aquatix already made a backup Jun 24 13:51:42 running mail on imap anyway Jun 24 13:52:53 neat, gpg by default Jun 24 13:54:28 flashed diablo - went to Downloads on maemo. Clicked on evince. app mgr asked me to enable extras. I did. Got "unable to download evince Application package not found" Jun 24 13:54:36 wow, just installed advanced-backlight from chinook extras, i forgot how few options it had >_< Jun 24 13:54:40 hm, that instant messaging hack to add protocols [rtcomm?], is it in diablo too? Jun 24 13:54:43 i will try to push 0.9b ASAP Jun 24 13:55:05 rm_you: :) Jun 24 13:56:44 lbt, try using chinook extras Jun 24 13:58:03 * johnx <3 modest Jun 24 13:58:04 inz: ? how do you mean? Jun 24 13:58:27 johnx: hrmrm, i still use claws-mail Jun 24 13:58:35 it should '1-click install' Jun 24 13:58:40 johnx: modest continues to entirely fail at loading my mailbox Jun 24 13:58:45 what the heck was the name of the tunneling app that tunneled all connections via socks proxy? Jun 24 13:58:56 it wasn't a maemo app though Jun 24 13:58:56 rm_you, craziness Jun 24 13:59:06 lbt: as an early adopter (ie, within the first day) this is the kind of thing you'll need to deal with Jun 24 13:59:12 lbt, I guess the .install file doesn't have a distribution defined for the extras, so it will default to current i.e. diablo Jun 24 13:59:16 the repository for diablo is not filled yet Jun 24 13:59:25 rm_you: imap? Jun 24 13:59:28 lbt, if you manually edit the repository list from application manager, you can put chinook in the distribution Jun 24 13:59:34 it will clear up in a few days to a week Jun 24 13:59:39 RST38h: yes Jun 24 13:59:49 OK - so long as people are aware... Jun 24 14:00:18 rm_you: use pop3 Jun 24 14:00:26 * mgedmin shouts for help Jun 24 14:00:29 RST38h: ... no Jun 24 14:00:37 RST38h: ew Jun 24 14:00:38 why won't app manager let me install openssh? Jun 24 14:00:38 not even close to an option Jun 24 14:00:49 mgedmin: because openssh install is screwed Jun 24 14:00:49 I can see it on the web, in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages Jun 24 14:00:58 interesting, the microb component manager now have a update checker? Jun 24 14:00:59 * RST38h hands mgedmin a solution Jun 24 14:01:12 mgedmin: extras for diablo is empty still Jun 24 14:01:13 mgedmin: Old cache perhaps? Jun 24 14:01:13 mgedmin: remove any openssh packages you have installed Jun 24 14:01:23 mgedmin: then install from scratch Jun 24 14:01:24 RST38h: I have none; I just reflashed to diablo Jun 24 14:01:29 Is diablo a great-should-do-right-away release or a nice-but-wait-until-at-home-again one? ;) Jun 24 14:01:33 mgedmin: extras for diablo is empty still Jun 24 14:01:42 mgeddmin: then change repo to chinook Jun 24 14:01:42 the diablo extras repo is not empty in my web browser... Jun 24 14:01:46 am I hallucinating? Jun 24 14:01:51 X-Fade: I have got a question Jun 24 14:01:56 I can see it on the web, in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages Jun 24 14:01:59 chinook? Jun 24 14:01:59 *chinook* Jun 24 14:02:02 *headdesk* Jun 24 14:02:03 stupid Jun 24 14:02:10 lol np Jun 24 14:02:11 * mgedmin takes a deep breath Jun 24 14:02:12 RST38h: Shoot! Jun 24 14:02:18 i just went through this about 5 minutes ago :P Jun 24 14:02:21 X-Fade: Let us say I set app installer to chinook repos and install stuff from them Jun 24 14:02:35 X-Fade: later, I change it to diablo repos and have to update installed stuff Jun 24 14:02:58 X-Fade: Will it require me to reinstall saying that the software has been installed form a different repo and thus incompatible? Jun 24 14:03:04 RST38h: no Jun 24 14:03:13 RST38h: it will be the same exact version stamp, or updated Jun 24 14:03:15 RST38h: No that is only for system libs.. Jun 24 14:03:19 so it will update as normal Jun 24 14:03:24 yeah but... shouldn't this be coordinated with the release? Or is that "stating the bleedin obvious" ? Jun 24 14:03:29 or not, if the package is the same version Jun 24 14:03:34 aquatix: Yes, the newer rtcomm is installed in Diablo, that's what I heard at least. Jun 24 14:03:40 Veggen: cool Jun 24 14:03:42 lbt: it probably could have been done better, yes... Jun 24 14:03:48 X-Fade,rm_you: thanks, good to know Jun 24 14:03:52 Veggen: so we get the multiple IM networks by default Jun 24 14:03:55 * mgedmin misses his load-applet Jun 24 14:04:03 lbt: i think part of the problem is that none of the developers were prepared... no one told us diablo was coming soon >_> Jun 24 14:04:09 mgedmin: I use the one from chinook. Jun 24 14:04:11 lbt, it's difficult for 3rd parties to release binary packages for an OS that doesn't exist or have a released SDK Jun 24 14:04:13 mgedmin: osso-statusbar-cpu works Jun 24 14:04:14 rm_you: so maybe a task for the maemo-nokia council Jun 24 14:04:15 mgedmin: osso-statusbar-cpu? Jun 24 14:04:26 lbt: probably, at least for future releases Jun 24 14:04:59 * lbt wanders off to find the wiki task list page. Jun 24 14:05:06 * mgedmin thinks load-applet is prettier Jun 24 14:05:15 rm_you: imap protocol itself is so convoluted that it is better to be avoided Jun 24 14:05:28 (although I understand that a lot of people are used to it) Jun 24 14:06:02 * tlacuache thinks he will probably wait a week or so before reflashing Jun 24 14:06:04 rm_you: but hasn't the process of getting the package in extras improved too? Jun 24 14:06:22 Veggen: yes Jun 24 14:06:28 mgedmin, if you think load-applet is prettier, you have bad taste ;) Jun 24 14:06:34 RST38h: can't do without it. it just isnt possible Jun 24 14:06:39 lol Jun 24 14:06:45 too bad Jun 24 14:06:58 mgedmin, maybe I should create new icon that fits better in the new icon theme Jun 24 14:06:59 RST38h: how do you deal with your mail being stuck on one machine? Jun 24 14:07:01 rm_you: I think Nokia is learning, at least. It's slow for those that comes from the all-proprietary-part, but they're getting it bit by bit. Jun 24 14:07:01 inz: I know; I've been agonizing how ugly load-applet looked on the new all-black OS2008 theme Jun 24 14:07:14 rm_you: I keep it on that machine Jun 24 14:07:15 I check my email on at least 4 different machines, and use webmail at various other locations Jun 24 14:07:27 rm_you: normally ssh there and read it with pine Jun 24 14:07:53 They still lack on the openness in the development process. Jun 24 14:07:57 RST38h: that's unrealistic for a very large portion of email users (people) Jun 24 14:08:12 Too many people does not have the authority to speak freely Jun 24 14:08:44 An open source-friendly company should give their developers freedom to interact with the community. Jun 24 14:09:18 RST38h: I'm not saying POP3 is useless, since it does work for many people... but it does sound to me like you're saying IMAP isn't even worth fixing Jun 24 14:09:23 (but I have hope, because I see it's improving bit-by-bit) Jun 24 14:09:24 RST38h: have you tried mutt? Jun 24 14:09:45 rm_you: basically, yes, I came to that conclusion after trying to use it with a few clients Jun 24 14:09:46 does pine even support utf-8 these days? Jun 24 14:10:08 RST38h: and what alternative would you provide for users that need to keep mail on the server? Jun 24 14:10:09 mgedmin: the version I have does not but I think there is a "fixed" version available Jun 24 14:10:25 heh, loved the new way of showing what repos had issues ;) Jun 24 14:10:38 rm_you: you can keep it there with pop3, just don't delete it on the server Jun 24 14:10:58 RST38h: i use more than one folder for my mail Jun 24 14:11:07 imaps suits me really fine :) Jun 24 14:11:11 mgedmin: mutt - tried it but am too used to pine now, too late to switch Jun 24 14:11:11 RST38h: and end up with 30 copies of every email in your inbox? >_> that's what happened to me last time i tried that Jun 24 14:11:29 * rm_you likes mutt as a side effect of liking vim Jun 24 14:11:33 rm_you: no, maemo mail (at least) does not do it Jun 24 14:11:35 rm_you: :) Jun 24 14:11:45 modest is quite ok with imap Jun 24 14:11:48 claws-mail rocks Jun 24 14:11:52 yes Jun 24 14:12:12 modest doesn't always mark emails `read' on the server though, which sucks Jun 24 14:12:13 I need a better imap server, that's my only problem ;) Jun 24 14:12:26 (not on my n810, though) Jun 24 14:12:26 Veggen: install dovecot :) Jun 24 14:12:38 aquatix: yah..is it maildir-friendly? Jun 24 14:12:44 certainly Jun 24 14:12:52 And does it scale to 10's of thousands of messages in a folder? Jun 24 14:12:56 i use mail files though Jun 24 14:13:04 Veggen: not sure, but it's *fast* Jun 24 14:13:10 Veggen: i would google it Jun 24 14:13:20 mutt doesn't scale to 10s of thousands of messages in a folder, especially in a maildir... Jun 24 14:13:48 * mgedmin uses dovecot + offlineimap + mutt + also sometimes random other IMAP clients + sometimes ssh to the mail server + mutt Jun 24 14:13:57 mgedmin: neither does pine really Jun 24 14:13:58 anyone fancy compiling zfone for diablo ? http://zfoneproject.com/index.html Jun 24 14:14:04 mgedmin: Well. better than a few of the imap servers. Jun 24 14:14:07 * aquatix uses claws-mail and occassionally... alpine Jun 24 14:14:23 mgedmin: Although I tried it with ~5000 text-only messages (aka spam) and it behaved nicely Jun 24 14:14:36 mgedmin: I tend to leave the large folders open *all the time*, because it's mainly an initialization issue, and it works once you've opened it. Jun 24 14:14:41 yes Jun 24 14:14:51 * RST38h vaguely remembers that mutt keeps each email as a file and represents folders with system directories Jun 24 14:15:01 and there's the mutt headers cache thingy that's supposed to speed things up, only I'm too lazy to figure it out Jun 24 14:15:07 While pine uses files for folders and stics all folder messages into those files Jun 24 14:15:20 RST38h: that's a feature of Maildir, not mutt per se. Jun 24 14:15:24 So, a multi-MB message slows pine to a crawl Jun 24 14:15:27 RST38h: yeah, that's maildirs vs mail folders Jun 24 14:15:28 mutt supports both maildirs and mailboxes Jun 24 14:15:34 ah Jun 24 14:15:38 in my experiments mailboxes were faster than maildirs, strangely Jun 24 14:15:43 pine may support both as well by now, have not checked Jun 24 14:15:44 at least the initial folder opening Jun 24 14:15:45 ah yeah, s/mail folders/mailboxes Jun 24 14:15:51 RST38h: it does, iirc Jun 24 14:16:13 alpine works fine with mailboxes with 20k messages Jun 24 14:16:29 only deleting random of those takes time Jun 24 14:16:47 i'm at 3500 in my inbox (i clean out every few months) and claws-mail works nicely Jun 24 14:16:48 * RST38h suspects that the right way would be to keep attachments as files while keeping message bodies in mailboxes Jun 24 14:17:09 rm_you: claws is really fast indeed Jun 24 14:17:35 does anyone know if you can adjust the volume of the media player (mplayer?) from the shell? Jun 24 14:17:54 aquatix: mgedmin: are you talking on the N800 or on a desktop? Jun 24 14:18:06 lbt: i use claws on both Jun 24 14:18:21 [i have an n810 though ;) ] Jun 24 14:19:27 I'm using thunderbird on the desktop with cyrus imap on celeron. I have 160209 mails in the lkml folder... Jun 24 14:19:45 yeah i use icedove on desktop Jun 24 14:20:02 rm_you: me too... Jun 24 14:20:22 alpine opened a mailbox with 2331 messages in 2 seconds Jun 24 14:20:53 * mgedmin updates his reflashing instructions at http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html Jun 24 14:21:07 * aquatix rather likes claws-mail, but icedove/thunderbird is nice too indeed Jun 24 14:21:08 it's nice how OS updates made a lot of steps no longer needed Jun 24 14:21:14 (e.g. red-pill mode for installing openssh) Jun 24 14:21:47 I think that was a change in openssh packaging Jun 24 14:21:58 lbt: specifically, talking about what? Jun 24 14:22:13 mutt's speed opening huge mailboxes, or what mail readers I use? Jun 24 14:22:19 desktop, and both Jun 24 14:22:21 mail etc Jun 24 14:22:33 on the n810 I usually use ssh + mutt Jun 24 14:22:38 sometimes I try to use modest Jun 24 14:22:39 just commenting that my icedove/cyrus setup is very nice Jun 24 14:22:45 Hm. Somewhat nice weather. Gotta go home, flash my n810, and take it out to check the improved GPS handling, today ;) Jun 24 14:22:56 recently I tried to use thunderbird on a laptop Jun 24 14:22:58 allows me to use webmail away from home Jun 24 14:23:05 benefit of imap :) Jun 24 14:23:09 indeed :) Jun 24 14:23:13 jikes, my fingers are too used to pressing 'j' to go to the next email, and that's "mark as spam" in thunderbird Jun 24 14:23:16 ouch Jun 24 14:23:25 ah yes, Junk... Jun 24 14:23:28 ^z Jun 24 14:23:39 mgedmin: reconfigure that shortcut? ;) Jun 24 14:23:40 sylpheed had a mutt keybindings theme, which almost made me fall in love with it Jun 24 14:23:49 but then sylpheed had a few too many buglets Jun 24 14:23:53 hmm the 4.1 scratchbox installer script uses "http://scratchbox.org/debian/ maemo4-sdk" instead of the more recent "stable" that 4.0.1 uses Jun 24 14:23:58 mgedmin: try claws-mail? Jun 24 14:24:04 yes, didn't like it Jun 24 14:24:07 aesthetically Jun 24 14:24:08 ah, k Jun 24 14:24:18 * aquatix uses a tango icon theme @ his desktop Jun 24 14:24:26 on my tablet i cope Jun 24 14:24:29 sylpheed looked like a gnome program; claws used custom controls to make it look more like a win32 program Jun 24 14:24:35 the tree widget still gives me nightmares Jun 24 14:24:40 :) Jun 24 14:25:14 I guess I'm just too used to mutt to switch, although I tried several times... Jun 24 14:25:32 :) Jun 24 14:25:37 well, just keep using mutt Jun 24 14:25:42 why change a winning team Jun 24 14:26:00 * mgedmin glances at his n810 and noticed *another* click-through licence agreement stalling his application restore step :( Jun 24 14:26:18 mgedmin: i think i grabbed vim from your repo, right? Jun 24 14:26:18 yeah, those suck :/ Jun 24 14:26:26 yes, that is very annoying Jun 24 14:26:30 my beef with mutt is that when I'm editing a reply I can't read the other emails in the thread without opening another instance Jun 24 14:26:39 rm_you: yes Jun 24 14:26:55 hence the horrible packaging quality Jun 24 14:26:57 mgedmin: you have issues with backspace not working, and arrow keys generating letters instead of moving? Jun 24 14:27:00 a version number of "70", ick Jun 24 14:27:17 rm_you: only if I invoke 'vi' instead of 'vim' Jun 24 14:27:22 <_< Jun 24 14:27:38 or maybe if I lose my ~/.vimrc with helpful options like :set bs=2 " make backspace work Jun 24 14:27:40 vim testfile Jun 24 14:28:13 if i go into insert mode and type "test" and try to left-arrow to the beginning, it puts D Jun 24 14:28:19 if you type `vi', you open the oldskool vi Jun 24 14:28:20 hmm, where have the keyboard layout files gone? Jun 24 14:28:29 or rather, vim in oldschool mode Jun 24 14:28:32 rm_you: :set nocp and try again Jun 24 14:28:47 or create a ~/.vimrc file so that vim always starts up in non-compatible mode Jun 24 14:28:47 ah nocp Jun 24 14:28:49 what is nocp Jun 24 14:28:54 :help 'nocp Jun 24 14:28:54 ah Jun 24 14:29:19 Hey, does a dpkg-repack binary exist for the tablet? Jun 24 14:29:48 qwerty12, I'm not aware of one. it depends on a lot of stuff Jun 24 14:29:58 do you have a debian/ubuntu desktop handy? Jun 24 14:30:03 mgedmin: what does your whole vimrc look like? Jun 24 14:30:08 johnx, Livecd count? :D Jun 24 14:30:09 also, does syntax highlighting not work? Jun 24 14:30:15 rm_you: messy and convoluted :-) Jun 24 14:30:29 rm_you: :syntax enable Jun 24 14:30:31 qwerty12, hmm...installing dpkg-repack pulls in dpkg-dev which pulls in build-essential IIRC Jun 24 14:30:40 qwerty12, so maybe if you have a lot of RAM :D Jun 24 14:30:48 mgedmin: doesnt seem to work? and i thought it was syntax on Jun 24 14:31:07 hmm, mmpc is not installable...? Jun 24 14:31:34 rm_you: both ought to work (syntax on = syntax enable + reset the color scheme to the default) Jun 24 14:31:36 qwerty12: i once build dpkg-repack it needs some patches.. i wonder if it's still around somewhere Jun 24 14:31:44 mgedmin: not working Jun 24 14:31:51 it doesnt FAIL explicitly... Jun 24 14:31:57 just doesnt do any highlighting Jun 24 14:32:02 what sort of syntax did you expect? Jun 24 14:32:11 .sh files? Jun 24 14:32:16 johnx, Heh, probably counts me out >.<. Ah well, I still have my diablo rootfs with the leaked nokia stuff on my MMC, I can mount that when I next reinstall linux :) Jun 24 14:32:17 did you start with an empty file with no extension? Jun 24 14:32:21 typical vim syntax highlight? Jun 24 14:32:21 no Jun 24 14:32:25 hmm Jun 24 14:32:27 vim'ed a .sh Jun 24 14:32:31 nothing Jun 24 14:32:41 :syn on ought to Just Work then... let me try Jun 24 14:32:54 qwerty12: you could also nfs mount or chroot into debian etc, and use dpkg-repack --root option Jun 24 14:33:10 alias vi='vim' Jun 24 14:33:17 ~blame onne for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 Jun 24 14:33:18 * infobot blames tlacuache and perhaps onne for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2867 and all the evil in the world Jun 24 14:33:18 jott, Good idea, thanks, I've got debian on the mmc. Jun 24 14:33:22 your vim package may be missing the sytanx definitions Jun 24 14:33:24 rm_you: worksforme Jun 24 14:33:39 ccooke: my (horrible) vim package has them Jun 24 14:33:52 hrm Jun 24 14:34:01 does :setf sh help? Jun 24 14:34:05 mgedmin: good! :-) Jun 24 14:34:07 definitely not working. anything else that could cause it to fail? Jun 24 14:34:18 mgedmin: no Jun 24 14:34:25 Question Jun 24 14:34:33 rm_you: does :ver say "Compiled by Marius Gedminas " ? Jun 24 14:34:37 hrw: arg, still not fixed!? Jun 24 14:34:39 hey! Jun 24 14:34:49 just to see we're testing the same package Jun 24 14:34:51 RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin <--- thats the new firmware? Jun 24 14:34:51 * jott adds another curse Jun 24 14:35:07 Is using a USB-hub necessary in order to use a usb wifi adapter ? Jun 24 14:35:07 why does it say 4.2008?.. thats april 2008 isnit?... its june now... Jun 24 14:35:11 no libglade2-0 in diablo? Jun 24 14:35:25 hrw: haha did they really decrease it to 128k? Jun 24 14:35:27 killfill: they had it working in April and then did QA? Jun 24 14:35:41 jott: or to 10 contacts... who knows... Jun 24 14:35:48 heh.. cound be.. Jun 24 14:35:54 killfill: IIRC they always just incremented that number Jun 24 14:36:02 or maemo 4? :) Jun 24 14:36:06 mgedmin: that was it... it works now Jun 24 14:36:09 it's the 2008.23 that means "week 23 of the year 2008" Jun 24 14:36:19 just wanted to check im not downloading an older version.. :P Jun 24 14:36:36 mgedmin: i had daylessday's build... i had been flipping back and forth trying to get either to work with arrows/backspace, and apparently landed on the wrong one Jun 24 14:36:40 the download page has a helpful bold text saying this is the latest one Jun 24 14:37:01 rm_you: mhm, do you thing a default /etc/vimrc would be helpful? Jun 24 14:37:10 mgedmin: very yes Jun 24 14:37:17 with at least bs=2 and nocp Jun 24 14:37:20 or should it stay compatible with vim everywhere, where you get completely stupid ancient compatible behaviour by default? Jun 24 14:37:43 * mgedmin wishes someone organised a maemo packaging sprint Jun 24 14:37:52 i would attend that :P Jun 24 14:38:02 I've a bunch of crappy packages in my repo that are good enough for my own use (hence my repo), but aren't good enough for Extras Jun 24 14:38:13 anyway... happy! i can now actually use vim on my tablet and not be aggravated :P Jun 24 14:38:16 * qwerty12 would come with gun and shoot you down and take my time and still win the sprint Jun 24 14:38:27 mgedmin: I'm in. Would you like to setup a wiki page for that? I'll help. Jun 24 14:39:15 X-Fade: I could organise some office space during a weekend, provided everyone agrees to come to Vilnius for the sprint ;-) Jun 24 14:39:29 rm_you: you asked for my .vimrc Jun 24 14:39:38 yes Jun 24 14:39:38 mgedmin: Heh... Jun 24 14:39:41 lol Jun 24 14:40:00 * rm_you is very sad he lives in the US, on a regular basis. Jun 24 14:40:05 andre___: ping Jun 24 14:40:09 re bugzilla/modest Jun 24 14:40:18 andre: i'm going into scrollback (been in and out all day) Jun 24 14:40:24 timeless, pong Jun 24 14:40:27 nice :) Jun 24 14:40:35 ok, will enter scrollback after this conversation Jun 24 14:40:52 hrm Jun 24 14:40:54 yuck Jun 24 14:40:54 rm_you: here it is: http://maemo.pastey.net/90002 Jun 24 14:41:03 so, when we (mostly me, i virtually dictated) Jun 24 14:41:19 rebuilt bugs.maemo, we changed things to use general terms Jun 24 14:41:27 timeless, and that is a GOOD concept Jun 24 14:41:32 the browser product could have been named something else Jun 24 14:41:33 i read that, yupp Jun 24 14:41:36 but it was intentionally not Jun 24 14:41:49 having Email and Modest in the Communication component is a problem Jun 24 14:41:51 but we already have a "Modest" component, which surprised me Jun 24 14:41:55 yeah Jun 24 14:42:00 so two things Jun 24 14:42:10 1. bugzilla.mozilla.org has a component dedicated to changes to bugzilla Jun 24 14:42:33 among other things we use it to enable public tracking of changes Jun 24 14:42:48 this means people can easily see "oh, X was created by Y on Z because ..." Jun 24 14:43:04 this transparency and public logging is very valuable Jun 24 14:43:06 mgedmin: what are: "is" "ruler" "mouse=a"? :P Jun 24 14:43:09 we also have that in gnome too, yeah Jun 24 14:43:25 :help command isn't working :/ Jun 24 14:43:26 anyway, that people in bugs.maemo are randomly creating things Jun 24 14:43:31 and randomly making changes is problematic Jun 24 14:43:37 rm_you: you know about :help, don't you... wait, whaddayamean "isn't working"? Jun 24 14:43:41 there was someone who created an internet video call product Jun 24 14:43:44 this was bad Jun 24 14:43:45 ~lart windows flasher. it turned off my rd-mode :( Jun 24 14:43:45 * infobot blames windows flasher. it turned off my rd-mode :( for all the evil in the world Jun 24 14:43:51 and if i were a despot, i'd have killed that person Jun 24 14:43:58 Folks, who can confirm if AGPS is present in the Diablo release and if it works? Jun 24 14:44:05 it should have been in Multimedia Jun 24 14:44:09 timeless: you wouldn't torture? Jun 24 14:44:10 mgedmin: wait, sorry, last time i tried was with daylessday's build Jun 24 14:44:12 it is there, it sort of works Jun 24 14:44:14 rst38h: no time Jun 24 14:44:15 RST38h: It is not present, you need to download it. But it does work :) Jun 24 14:44:16 mgedmin: it does work with yours Jun 24 14:44:16 RST38h: ^ Jun 24 14:44:17 i'm a busy person Jun 24 14:44:24 wow, his build was very broken :P Jun 24 14:44:27 RST38h: It is still a beta version. Jun 24 14:44:28 oh, X-Fade, right, download it :) Jun 24 14:44:32 timeless: that's a lame excuse Jun 24 14:44:32 besides, people can be replaced Jun 24 14:44:42 X-Fade: Is it officially downloadable though? Jun 24 14:44:44 anyway... Jun 24 14:44:54 RST38h: yeah Jun 24 14:45:00 yeeaaaaahhhh! Jun 24 14:45:02 what i'd suggest is that we take the old email component rename it to something and rename modest to Email Jun 24 14:45:03 RST38h: Yes, will show up in application manager. Jun 24 14:45:09 but give me a bit to investigate some details Jun 24 14:45:19 timeless, that's what i also have in mind Jun 24 14:45:24 X-Fade: perfect =) Jun 24 14:45:39 andre: i think i'd actually recommend by creating or using a component to log such things Jun 24 14:45:46 why not delete the old Email component from the bug tracker? Jun 24 14:45:48 so that we set the precedent for that Jun 24 14:45:53 rst38h: because it has bugs Jun 24 14:45:56 Component: Email Jun 24 14:45:59 does someone know a method to import vcards into maemo contacts? Jun 24 14:46:01 RST38h, i wouldn't do that Jun 24 14:46:02 Sorry, there are 65 bugs outstanding for this component. You must reassign those bugs to another component before you can delete this one. Jun 24 14:46:03 working method Jun 24 14:46:03 timeless: yes but is it still supported? Jun 24 14:46:08 it doesn't matter Jun 24 14:46:09 RST38h, you only lose information by deleting things Jun 24 14:46:16 it's absolutely illegal to delete bugs Jun 24 14:46:22 andre: Well, you can put it away rather than kill completely Jun 24 14:46:31 if i report a bug today, i should be able to come back 10 years later and see what happened to it Jun 24 14:46:35 RST38h, well - to some other component, yes ;-) Jun 24 14:46:37 if you delete my bug, you've violated my trust Jun 24 14:46:37 andre: Rename it to mail2007 or something Jun 24 14:46:38 that's basically renaming Jun 24 14:46:44 anyway, that's renaming Jun 24 14:46:53 and rename modest to mail Jun 24 14:46:56 bmo is growing a Graveyard classification and product soon Jun 24 14:47:04 rst38h: that's what both andre and i are planning Jun 24 14:47:06 timeless: or Attic Jun 24 14:47:08 please read first Jun 24 14:47:17 Attic is a better name, more generally accepted Jun 24 14:47:19 rst38h: i already won, graveyard :) Jun 24 14:47:35 timeless <-- definitely feels like a tyrant tonight =) Jun 24 14:47:48 http://www.gerv.net/temp/bmo-reorg.html Jun 24 14:48:02 mgedmin: wow, all of those options are awesome Jun 24 14:48:06 can't open it until this IPTU run finishes Jun 24 14:48:08 rst38h: consider that i usually have spent years developing my views Jun 24 14:48:25 timeless: Most tyrants are pretty old guys =) Jun 24 14:48:25 but anyway... Jun 24 14:48:42 in this position here, i'm offering advice Jun 24 14:48:44 You should reconsider torture as a worthy pastime though =) Jun 24 14:48:51 since andre's the owner Jun 24 14:49:06 isn't torture something for the young? Jun 24 14:49:10 ...but you have much more knowledge ;-) Jun 24 14:49:26 timeless, Nah, just get a gun or knife, much more quicker Jun 24 14:49:40 timeless: the reorg proposal looks reasonable Jun 24 14:49:50 andre: re OMPL yeah, it's a browser bug Jun 24 14:49:53 what the...? Jun 24 14:50:20 qwerty12: i donm't like licenses, i don't even have a driver's license :) Jun 24 14:50:29 hmm, okay - going to retest that later on when i've installed diablo Jun 24 14:50:35 license to ill Jun 24 14:50:37 I clicked on the statusbar extension arrow (or whachamacallit), and now my UI is semi-frozen Jun 24 14:50:40 andre: there are two different things Jun 24 14:50:47 1. the browser can gateway to the feed reader Jun 24 14:50:55 timeless, Heh. But I never heard of knife license :P :) Jun 24 14:51:01 I can access the popup menus of the two applets on the extender statusbar bar, minimize app windows, but I can't touch regular applets or open the apps menu Jun 24 14:51:06 and I can't switch or unminimize apps Jun 24 14:51:10 2. the browser can render xml of all flavors internally Jun 24 14:51:21 qwerty12: a big hammer or axe will do ;) Jun 24 14:51:58 timeless, comment on the report so not only /me knows better now :) Jun 24 14:51:58 but anyway... Jun 24 14:52:44 mgedmin: that happens >_> Jun 24 14:52:47 mgedmin: it is buggy Jun 24 14:52:59 w00t, thanks nokia for the kernel-source-diablo. Time to put some of my chinook kernel stuff over. Jun 24 14:53:26 is it possible to just flash diablos kernel? Jun 24 14:53:34 or is there some more magic in flashing? Jun 24 14:53:53 It's in a FIASCO image, your favourite flasher will handle the kernel stuff. Jun 24 14:54:04 While flashing normally. Jun 24 14:54:20 I think you also need to flash the initfs, or you may end up with an unbootable tablet? Jun 24 14:54:31 qwerty12: but if i dont want to flash, only install the kernel (which is afaik all i need?) Jun 24 14:54:49 mgedmin: that too, of course Jun 24 14:54:56 * timeless ponders Jun 24 14:54:57 macoute_, boot into linux and read up on flasher-3.0 then Jun 24 14:55:04 macoute_: initfs size changed, so you need to change more. Jun 24 14:55:06 * timeless should have marked that bug as an enhancement Jun 24 14:55:14 mgedmin, I used chinook initfs and diablo kernel for a while. and diablo initfs and chinook kernel. Jun 24 14:55:22 Both booted fine. Jun 24 14:55:34 Of course, the diablo initfs was a concotion of my own though at the time :/ Jun 24 14:55:35 ARG Jun 24 14:55:37 hey lcuk, you around ? Jun 24 14:55:40 my browser ate my bug comment Jun 24 14:55:44 qwerty12: how did you upgraded? Jun 24 14:55:52 macoute_, Reflashed. Jun 24 14:56:02 qwerty12: ok. Jun 24 14:56:11 hungry browsers are not friendly Jun 24 14:56:22 well at least we can provide custom user installable kernels as .install files now ;) Jun 24 14:56:27 my other option was to flash the inner memory and then copy it over to sd, which contains my fs now too :) Jun 24 14:56:36 i'm using official diablo from today, and the old initfs from fanoush Jun 24 14:56:38 and it works fine Jun 24 14:56:53 crashanddie, no Jun 24 14:57:08 macoute_: i just followed this guide for root on sd, and it worked nicely: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Jun 24 14:57:09 well i doubt nokia changes anything in the initfs Jun 24 14:57:10 lcuk, oh, ok, I'll wait 'till you get here then Jun 24 14:57:17 jott, until nokia releases a new one :/ Jun 24 14:57:25 ok ill be back from work after 630ish Jun 24 14:57:32 uk time ? Jun 24 14:57:35 macoute_: just had to rename / symlink the newest fanoush initfs to the correct name for the flasher script Jun 24 14:57:37 2 1/2 hours Jun 24 14:57:39 rm_you: yeah i know, but i meant that upgrading my now-on-sd root with a reflashed inner memory Jun 24 14:57:41 from now Jun 24 14:57:44 hmm, is it me or have the xkb files gone fully mia? Jun 24 14:57:48 lcuk, k :) Cheers Jun 24 14:57:49 kk Jun 24 14:57:51 well i need to sleep Jun 24 14:57:54 now 8AM here Jun 24 14:57:58 rm_you: g'night Jun 24 14:58:02 ah, g'morning ;) Jun 24 14:58:05 shitfuck, why does the windows flasher insist on removing my rd mode. Jun 24 14:58:14 * rm_you sleeps Jun 24 14:58:15 qwerty12: depends on the version you give to your package ;) Jun 24 14:58:27 windows flasher probably aint even a flasher, so slow it is Jun 24 14:58:36 we just talked about it today Jun 24 14:58:47 compared to linux-flasher, that is Jun 24 14:58:48 jott, fair enough. I don't think Nokia will beat kernel-diablo-999.9999 :P Jun 24 14:58:58 t_s_o: where are you looking for them? Jun 24 14:59:17 that may be it, i dont recall where they should be :P Jun 24 14:59:21 qwerty12: aw, no kernel-diablo-666? Jun 24 14:59:39 but i think i have tried just about every X11 related dir i can think of, and nothing... Jun 24 14:59:46 aquatix: that was my first thought too ;) Jun 24 14:59:58 missed opportunity :) Jun 24 15:00:02 aquatix, I may be near enough: http://i26.tinypic.com/2znv3gx.png :/ Jun 24 15:00:03 andre: so... i guess hold on Jun 24 15:00:10 t_s_o: /usr/share/X11/xkb Jun 24 15:00:14 lol Jun 24 15:00:16 timeless, ok Jun 24 15:00:18 gah, missed that one. thanks Jun 24 15:00:19 andre, https://bugs.maemo.org/editcomponents.cgi?product=Multimedia Jun 24 15:00:27 see how i handled the A/V players :) Jun 24 15:00:37 ah, video player Jun 24 15:00:38 yupp Jun 24 15:00:48 hi dougt, i need to ping you elsewhere Jun 24 15:00:59 why does the load applet hide itself when screenshotting? Jun 24 15:01:03 it's weird Jun 24 15:01:12 timeless: it's a pitty you cannot disable entering new bugs for components, just for products Jun 24 15:01:16 Jun 24 15:01:27 aquatix, Maybe to inform it's actually doing it? :P. You can disable that from the source. Jun 24 15:01:38 andre: if necessary we can move them to a graveyard Jun 24 15:01:40 good point Jun 24 15:01:43 i figured it wasn't necessary Jun 24 15:01:48 but i could have if it really was Jun 24 15:01:51 qwerty12: but it could also pop up a notification after it's done Jun 24 15:01:55 now it's missing from the shot Jun 24 15:01:59 got to love bluetooth keyboard that rely on software to remap their keyboard layout when its anything but normal, thanks mgedmin Jun 24 15:02:07 andre: a warning if you ever do choose to move a component across products Jun 24 15:02:19 it will happen... Jun 24 15:02:22 aquatix, true. Could be a little something for me to take a quick look into. Jun 24 15:02:27 you need to do it as a grid Jun 24 15:02:33 basically run this chart: Jun 24 15:02:47 qwerty12: consider it a small request :) Jun 24 15:02:53 not that important, mind Jun 24 15:03:01 product=_product_, component=_component_, x-axis=_version, y-axis=_target-milestone_ Jun 24 15:03:04 err Jun 24 15:03:14 product=_product_, component=_component_, x-axis=version, y-axis=target-milestone Jun 24 15:03:49 aquatix, will do, after i've finished reinstalling ftd :/ Jun 24 15:03:55 you need to move things from each square in the matrix individually Jun 24 15:04:00 otherwise bad things will happen Jun 24 15:04:00 qwerty12: no hurry :) Jun 24 15:04:17 before you start moving, make sure that all the necessary versions and target milestones exist in the new product Jun 24 15:04:32 ah, thanks Jun 24 15:05:40 * aquatix wonders whether there are christian maemo users which will refuse upgrading to Diablo Jun 24 15:05:43 there, now i think im back up to speed Jun 24 15:05:50 hi folks, see this has come up here before but not finding a definitive resolution in the logs Jun 24 15:06:22 I'm using scummvm (0.11.1) on the n810/os2008 and not getting music/sound effects Jun 24 15:06:28 will a version of ftd that actually has a working battery information section be released Jun 24 15:06:32 *? Jun 24 15:06:44 if anyone's gotten that to work, I'd be very glad if they'd like to swap notes :-) Jun 24 15:06:54 qwerty12: did you try to run it with a diablo initfs? Jun 24 15:07:01 qwerty12: what was that, I couldn't hear you? Jun 24 15:07:28 jott, I've been using a diablo initfs for a while (I ripped testserver out of the old ones to let me flash it ) and it still didn't work. Jun 24 15:07:29 hmm, how often does the app manager check for updates? i cant seem to see any setting... Jun 24 15:07:48 mgedmin, s// :P Jun 24 15:07:48 andre: ok, so the only problem we have is that the old mail client didn't have a useful name Jun 24 15:07:52 t_s_o, force it to update Jun 24 15:07:55 let's see if we can find one :) Jun 24 15:08:17 ok, time to panic again Jun 24 15:08:35 the wonderful new modest in diablo doesn't allow me to change my incoming mail settings Jun 24 15:08:41 all the fields are disabled and not editable Jun 24 15:08:51 crashanddie: sure, but i was thinking about that updates indicator thats supposed to show up in the statusbar when something new have come out. and i guessed it was related to the app manager somehow Jun 24 15:08:51 and then it claims the server name or port number is incorrect Jun 24 15:09:18 andre: the simplest solution i can offer is Email 1 Jun 24 15:09:28 i think that'd sort after Email Jun 24 15:09:34 which is what we really need Jun 24 15:09:43 but let's see if there was a codename floating around Jun 24 15:10:21 "Email (old)" maybe Jun 24 15:10:24 I remember when using *cough* diablo beta *cough*, I remember it being called osso-email-old ;) Jun 24 15:10:50 fossil_email ;) Jun 24 15:11:08 junkmail? Jun 24 15:11:16 ghehe Jun 24 15:11:22 I want a pimping app on the NIT Jun 24 15:11:27 jott: that might confuse people ;) Jun 24 15:11:36 crashanddie: apt-porn? Jun 24 15:11:41 something cutting edge, never seen before, only available on the NIT Jun 24 15:11:47 oh :) Jun 24 15:11:52 * aquatix likes canola2 Jun 24 15:11:56 aquatix, Great, where's the binary? :P Jun 24 15:12:12 heh... if apt-porn comes out, I'd rather not having "cutting edge", might be painful Jun 24 15:12:19 I'll get out my magic stick and make this pimpin apps. Jun 24 15:12:22 *app Jun 24 15:12:29 okay, my problem magically disappeared Jun 24 15:12:44 qwerty12, yeah, get to work, lazy potato ! Jun 24 15:12:49 crashanddie: NumptyPhysics! Jun 24 15:12:50 mgedmin: Maybe it was checking for new mail? Jun 24 15:12:57 mgedmin, finished it Jun 24 15:13:10 hm, there was some apt-porn like program Jun 24 15:13:16 maybe it's called differently Jun 24 15:13:16 wget? Jun 24 15:13:19 well, not precisely "never seen before", but definitely a big hit with everyone Jun 24 15:13:20 lol Jun 24 15:13:23 qwerty12: curl :P Jun 24 15:13:23 xvideos ? Jun 24 15:13:30 no, something with apt Jun 24 15:13:35 meh Jun 24 15:13:36 apt-xxx Jun 24 15:14:09 apt-xxx stream tiny-knob Jun 24 15:14:18 aaanyway Jun 24 15:14:18 * qwerty12 apologises in advance Jun 24 15:15:05 aquatix: yeah, apt-porn was there Jun 24 15:15:42 macoute_: ah, i'm not getting senile after all :) Jun 24 15:15:45 Could anyone with Diablo give me the browser's user agent string? Jun 24 15:15:58 aquatix: or then we are the two old pervs here :P Jun 24 15:16:48 Sho_: do you have a webserver that I could visit? Jun 24 15:16:50 crashanddie: maybe http://www.marceloeduardo.com/blog/design/user-interface-design/carman-is-also-alive-news-upcoming-update Jun 24 15:16:54 when its available Jun 24 15:17:10 mgedmin: i found the same mail account issue here. what i did was dive into gconf to find, under apps/modest/server_accounts, some checkboxes labeled username_succeeded. when i uncheck those i can edit the account settings again... Jun 24 15:17:19 when the NIT asks for a dhcp address, it doesn't seem to provide its hostname so my dynamic dns doesn't get updated... Jun 24 15:17:28 is this a known issue? Jun 24 15:17:30 mgedmin: Sadly I wouldn't have access to the logs atm Jun 24 15:17:46 Sho_: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; nl-NL; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080606 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.3.7 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14 Jun 24 15:17:47 Sho_: any website that gives you back your request headers? Jun 24 15:18:07 lbt: should it provide its hostname on dhcp? :o Jun 24 15:18:14 mgedmin: www.whatsmyuseragent.com, but X-Fade was faster :) Jun 24 15:18:20 X-Fade: thanks! Jun 24 15:18:25 useragent.org :P Jun 24 15:18:27 ah yes Jun 24 15:18:29 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2758 Jun 24 15:18:36 it should indeed Jun 24 15:18:37 lbt: why doesnt the dhcp(/dns) give it its hostname? :) Jun 24 15:18:42 lbt: then again the hostname is something like Nokia-N810-23-14 Jun 24 15:18:43 * Sho_ was just curious if they had finally updated the Gecko build to something non-alpha Jun 24 15:18:46 which doesn't seem to be very helpful Jun 24 15:18:53 bye Jun 24 15:18:56 that bug says it all Jun 24 15:19:30 odd that they have Firefox 3.0a1 in the UAS with a Gecko build from June '08 Jun 24 15:19:33 ie when you name your device it should update hostname, bluetooth and dhcp Jun 24 15:19:39 somebody not paying attention I guess Jun 24 15:19:45 hey, what if I want my hostname (mg-n810) to be different from the bluetooth name (Mg N810)? Jun 24 15:19:47 lbt: oh, that is a bug. i understood wrongly Jun 24 15:19:47 where's the source, I'll fix it... Jun 24 15:20:37 http://web-sniffer.net/ Jun 24 15:20:42 trickie|work, nice, but I don't have a car that supports this :P Jun 24 15:20:53 greate. got the flash done.. :P Jun 24 15:21:25 mgedmin, change the name in the bluetooth property ? Jun 24 15:21:31 crashanddie: me either, but it looks cool :) Jun 24 15:21:38 trickie|work, sure does Jun 24 15:21:45 crashanddie: apparently there is also some sort of emulator thingo Jun 24 15:21:53 * timeless loves css Jun 24 15:21:58 maybe be able to pimp some nice efl graphics Jun 24 15:22:20 damn lost the terminus fonts with diablo upgrade Jun 24 15:22:46 either the browser panning is much faster, or I'm imagining things because I read in the announcement that it is much faster :-) Jun 24 15:22:52 anyone got the binary? Jun 24 15:23:00 or deb? Jun 24 15:23:13 The device name is actually determined from the bluez name, in a roundabout way. I posted up a command to change the device name using dbus-send which sends it all to dbus and my device name changes :/ Jun 24 15:23:17 the app manager improvements are nice (red X signs next to repositories that failed to update) Jun 24 15:24:55 there are weird rendering bugs, but google reader feels faster Jun 24 15:26:05 browse installable application. in my list there is about 15 items, even if I enabled the maemo extras Jun 24 15:26:26 is this the way it should be? I wish to install ssh at the start Jun 24 15:27:20 here: http://mg.pov.lt/diablo-browser-scrolling-garbage.png Jun 24 15:28:04 (and sorry, I assume everyone is talking about diablo :) Jun 24 15:28:24 oilinki: you need to go into the appsmgr->tools->app catalogue and select extras. Enable it and type "chinook" into the Distribution box. The diablo extras isn't there yet Jun 24 15:28:26 oilinki: the extras repository is empty for diablo at the moment Jun 24 15:28:45 lbt: ok thanks. I'll do with that Jun 24 15:28:57 mgedmin: thanks for the confirmation as well Jun 24 15:29:11 I struggled with that issue an hour ago right here Jun 24 15:29:14 :) Jun 24 15:29:28 http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Stalled-Server-Room.aspx Jun 24 15:29:41 Alpakka: /window 194 Jun 24 15:29:45 sorry Jun 24 15:30:12 I might be able to help someone with the same issue tomorrow morning :) Jun 24 15:30:22 heh, i flashed the wrong version :P Jun 24 15:31:50 * andre___ wonders whether to first flash diablo on his n810, or to start setting up his new laptop that arrived today Jun 24 15:32:27 glass_: 194 windows? :) Jun 24 15:32:33 254 Jun 24 15:32:41 macoute_: i never close them Jun 24 15:32:44 andre___: only takes 20 seconds :) Jun 24 15:32:46 macoute_: so i know by the number who it is Jun 24 15:33:09 glass_: whoa Jun 24 15:33:17 whats on number 231? :P Jun 24 15:33:32 my sort of ex Jun 24 15:33:37 X-Fade, i bed my old laptop will crash in exactly these 20secs, hasn't crashed yet today ;-) Jun 24 15:33:39 FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras Jun 24 15:33:43 ok, good number for her :P Jun 24 15:34:36 i dont use querys at all mostly Jun 24 15:35:00 andre: i think calling it Email 1 is probably the best choice Jun 24 15:35:06 the alternatives are probably too confusing Jun 24 15:35:15 we could go w/ the way we did for Browser Jun 24 15:35:20 lbt: updated to say that the backup tool does back up settings as well Jun 24 15:35:25 and have Email, Email-modest, Email-old Jun 24 15:35:27 s/updated/going to update/ Jun 24 15:35:28 mgedmin meant: lbt: going to update to say that the backup tool does back up settings as well Jun 24 15:35:29 where Email is the ui Jun 24 15:35:36 but i don't think anything is gained by doing that Jun 24 15:35:49 in the browser case, the ui was/is shared Jun 24 15:35:58 hmm. let me sleep on night on that... Jun 24 15:36:03 whereas for modest, they wrote a new (presumably buggy) ui :) Jun 24 15:36:13 * timeless nods Jun 24 15:37:54 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA sorry can't control myself HAHAHAAHA Jun 24 15:38:06 http://wiki.maemo.org tells me I'm user 127.0.0.1 Jun 24 15:38:18 firewall misconfiguration? apache rewrite rules? Jun 24 15:38:26 mgedmin: weird reverse proxy thing they have going on Jun 24 15:38:30 it's a firewall Jun 24 15:38:30 login Jun 24 15:38:40 there's a second box that talks to the primary box Jun 24 15:38:48 or at least iirc there was something like that Jun 24 15:39:07 kinda unsecure :S Jun 24 15:39:11 I once did that with SMTP Jun 24 15:39:17 spammers found it out within hours Jun 24 15:39:18 oops Jun 24 15:39:20 to let the wiki think that everyone is on localhost Jun 24 15:39:36 andre: hrm, that's odd Jun 24 15:39:42 * timeless goes to ask some people about another bug Jun 24 15:40:32 timeless, hmm? Jun 24 15:41:39 hm.. how do i enable sshd to enter as root from my notebook? Jun 24 15:42:02 there should be some automatic in backup manager which would recognize nokias own documents and never ask a user to replace them with older ones Jun 24 15:42:08 hello! Can I connect to internet via usb on N800? Jun 24 15:42:14 killfill: install openssh-server with the app manager Jun 24 15:42:22 macoute_: yes! Jun 24 15:42:28 and cached RSS feed icons Jun 24 15:42:35 mgedmin: that too Jun 24 15:42:38 thats it?.. Jun 24 15:42:43 killfill: yes Jun 24 15:42:46 ok Jun 24 15:43:53 er.. how do i "apt-get update"?... looks like the menu is gone Jun 24 15:44:26 it updates automatically when you edit the repository list Jun 24 15:44:37 I haven't even noticed the menu item disappearin Jun 24 15:45:01 killfill: FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras Jun 24 15:45:40 I just dput new osso-statusbar-cpu to maemo-hackers (chinook) repo, should work on diablo just as well Jun 24 15:46:11 It looks a bit more like the new icon theme, but its kinda ugly Jun 24 15:46:18 wait, is the diablo extras just empty, or is it nonfunctional? Jun 24 15:46:27 can people upload packages to it? Jun 24 15:47:06 killfill: there's a new update button in the toolbar of the app manager Jun 24 15:47:13 updateing is so freaking slow.. Jun 24 15:47:14 that does apt-get update, afaics Jun 24 15:47:15 Just wanted to say thanks for anyone/everyone that helped with the Diablo release... I just loaded it on my n810, and it seems really slick Jun 24 15:47:20 in the toolbar? Jun 24 15:47:38 killfill: right, main view -> check for updates -> bottommost-right toolbar button Jun 24 15:47:43 killfill: Yes, updating is really slow for me too Jun 24 15:47:56 hey, it was fast an hour ago, and now it's stalling Jun 24 15:48:06 mgedmin: aAAa.. cool. Jun 24 15:48:11 slashdot effect? Jun 24 15:48:14 i would never saw it.. :P Jun 24 15:48:15 dam, http://repository.maemo.org = An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.171add58.1214322443.59b2c072 Jun 24 15:50:36 Can I connect to internet via usb on N800? Jun 24 15:51:35 usbnet Jun 24 15:51:38 Now I'm getting a GPG error when I manually run "apt-get update" Jun 24 15:51:44 or somesuch with google should get you going Jun 24 15:51:59 ok thank u Jun 24 15:53:07 I always see GPG warnings on apt-get update Jun 24 15:55:08 aquatix, I made load-applet not flash when taking screenshots. Now I just got to find a new way to notify the user, it's been taken :P Jun 24 15:55:52 qwerty, use the led! Jun 24 15:55:59 hmm - I have an 8Gb SDHC card that appears not to be recognised anymore.... anyone else? Jun 24 15:56:28 qwerty, I once implemented led flashing to mh-shot-tool, but never released the code Jun 24 15:56:32 inz, I could do, should be a quick dbus-command , hmm... Jun 24 15:56:40 qwerty, and it was gone when my hdd died Jun 24 15:56:47 :( Jun 24 15:57:11 qwerty, you'll need to whip up a decent led pattern to /etc/mce.ini Jun 24 15:57:49 qwerty, I had it so that it blinked first once a second and then for the last second 5 times or so Jun 24 15:58:08 Heh, I'm more simple. I'll just have it flash twice and let it BE GONE! :P Jun 24 15:58:29 qwerty12: pop up a dialog asking for a filename Jun 24 15:58:31 i'm even more simple - i turn it always off Jun 24 15:58:36 screenshot00.png quickly gets old Jun 24 15:59:04 mgedmin, If only I could :). I can't program, I've just picked up a few little tricks from messing with a bit of code. Jun 24 15:59:19 The only program I've ever made was in python :/ Jun 24 15:59:55 i did a nice program which opened up 700 excels and copypasted some information of them all to a text-file Jun 24 16:00:08 the guys at work thought my laptop got a virus :) Jun 24 16:00:33 well, it was more of a script Jun 24 16:01:31 My favourite was changing a prank program from saying small penis alert in big red letters on the screen to tiny cock alert. Jun 24 16:06:10 yep, having issues with my mmc card... Jun 24 16:06:21 it's not being noticed Jun 24 16:06:31 lbt: have you tried another card reader? Jun 24 16:06:37 yep Jun 24 16:06:38 and Jun 24 16:06:43 dmesg sees it Jun 24 16:06:52 and /proc/partitions sees it Jun 24 16:06:57 I can manually mount it Jun 24 16:07:13 dmesg also says: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) Jun 24 16:07:22 and menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VDCDC3' Jun 24 16:08:12 all the above if I boot with the card in place Jun 24 16:08:54 small annoyance with the new app manager, the update button is inactive on the main screen. one have to open one of the sub-areas before one can update :( Jun 24 16:09:05 you can mount it but it doesnt "get recocnized?" Jun 24 16:09:12 correction, one have to open one of the web catalog areas... Jun 24 16:09:13 what then? Jun 24 16:09:38 yes Jun 24 16:09:49 now I remove it from internal Jun 24 16:09:56 move to external and it's ok Jun 24 16:10:08 move back to internal and not seen Jun 24 16:10:36 (by gui) Jun 24 16:10:49 ah, ok Jun 24 16:11:04 does your internal slot recognize other cards? Jun 24 16:11:13 it always used to be internal Jun 24 16:11:17 it's a sandisk Jun 24 16:11:19 FWIW Jun 24 16:11:39 but does it? Jun 24 16:11:50 if I insert card internally and boot then it recognises this one Jun 24 16:11:52 one moment Jun 24 16:13:19 found a 4gb sdhc Jun 24 16:13:22 not seen Jun 24 16:14:06 internal slot is broken then? :) Jun 24 16:14:24 ouch ouch ouch Jun 24 16:14:27 so you should try and exchange that one with german policemen Jun 24 16:14:29 :P Jun 24 16:16:38 Heh Jun 24 16:17:10 don't think so... it worked just fine until I upgraded. I just rebooted with the card in place and it is mountable. (from ssh) Jun 24 16:17:41 IMHO this looks like a bug... Jun 24 16:19:38 * sinak laterz Jun 24 16:20:06 My tablet feels empty with only the nokia logo showing at bootup. I miss my modded diablo initfs :( Jun 24 16:20:46 does bootmenu work fine with diablo initfs? Jun 24 16:22:17 aquatix, ping Jun 24 16:24:34 Does anyone else with Diablo have an SDHC card to hand? Jun 24 16:25:05 lbt, I've got an N800 with an 8GB SDHC class 2 inserted in internal. Jun 24 16:25:17 was it inserted when you booted? Jun 24 16:25:20 Yes Jun 24 16:25:28 can you swap it to external Jun 24 16:25:31 and then back Jun 24 16:25:34 Ok Jun 24 16:25:38 so long as it's not root fs :) Jun 24 16:25:50 Nope, booted from mtdblock :) Jun 24 16:25:53 *4 Jun 24 16:26:59 Swapped from internal into external, showed up fine, swapped back into internal, shows fine. Jun 24 16:27:06 (diablo btw :)) Jun 24 16:27:08 good Jun 24 16:27:14 mine are class 4 and class 6 Jun 24 16:27:16 FWIW Jun 24 16:27:28 both branded Jun 24 16:27:40 This is a Sandisk. Jun 24 16:28:00 one of mine is too Jun 24 16:28:21 aquatix, If you ever get this message in time, I've removed the blinking icon when taking a screenshot. Instead, the led now blinks ;) Jun 24 16:28:24 so, how do I flash n810 with intel mac Jun 24 16:28:46 thanks qwerty12 Jun 24 16:29:07 since flasher-2.0 is for ppc and I get: -bash: ./flasher-2.0.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable Jun 24 16:29:17 which is logical of course Jun 24 16:29:31 No problem. I've had problems with my mmc slots before, they've sorted themselves out over reflashes and time :/ Jun 24 16:30:09 wiza: how about using the linux-one? Jun 24 16:30:14 wiza, if it's intel, grab a linux live cd Jun 24 16:30:25 hmm, good idea Jun 24 16:30:38 I was sure people were flashing with intel macs... Jun 24 16:30:42 or I could just actually hook up monitor to my server and use that... Jun 24 16:30:57 but it would be easier to just not move myself from couch and use mac Jun 24 16:31:00 is there a way to make it run the binary with rosetta? Jun 24 16:31:36 damn it, before I used to curse when software was only for mac and windows and I couldn't use it on linux :D Jun 24 16:34:10 Hmm, I'm running a program at init time, I'd like for the actual program to be run as "user", not root. I just thought of using "su -c" but is that recommended or is there a better way? Jun 24 16:34:15 someone on itt said it worked for them... Jun 24 16:35:13 rm_you, hi. :P Jun 24 16:35:16 so someone still uses nicks as away-messages Jun 24 16:35:22 OK. I just rebooted with both cards in. /proc/partitions shows both partitions. Neither is mounted. I can manually mount both although my /etc/fstab only has mmc1 in it... Jun 24 16:35:44 http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/chapter5.html#c5_1 :) Jun 24 16:35:45 could I have an N810 image on my N800? Jun 24 16:36:07 lbt: have you altered the partitions on those cards? Jun 24 16:36:15 lbt, you would know if you did I think Jun 24 16:36:21 well Jun 24 16:36:22 and it probably wouldn't cause this problem Jun 24 16:36:31 not since I upgraded to Diablo Jun 24 16:36:37 iirc nit doesnt mount it automatically if the order of the partions is wrong Jun 24 16:36:37 and I think they are just fat32 Jun 24 16:36:44 99.999% sure Jun 24 16:37:02 looking in /proc/partitions shows just 1 partition Jun 24 16:37:02 ok Jun 24 16:37:14 and mount shows one is vfat Jun 24 16:37:18 the other msdos Jun 24 16:37:31 should /etc/fstab have mmc1 and mmc2 entries? Jun 24 16:37:53 i think they automatically appear there if nit recognizes them correctly Jun 24 16:38:00 the entries, i mean Jun 24 16:38:02 wiza, or use the unofficial 0xFFFF flasher Jun 24 16:38:02 OK - wasn't sure Jun 24 16:38:25 this: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) Jun 24 16:38:28 Hmm, what are the core sound components? The volume on my N800 is really crap compared to my modded W810 :(. I may as well pimp up the volume in source. Jun 24 16:38:29 is worrying me Jun 24 16:39:21 and : menelaus 1-0072: Shutting off 'VMEM' Jun 24 16:39:35 lbt, I'm seeing that first message as well Jun 24 16:39:54 but not the second Jun 24 16:39:55 johnx: this: mmci-omap mmci-omap.1: command timeout (CMD8) ?? Jun 24 16:40:00 lbt, yup Jun 24 16:40:14 lbt, which kernel are you using? Jun 24 16:40:24 Diablo Jun 24 16:40:36 Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown Jun 24 16:40:40 aren't I? Jun 24 16:40:50 EEST means a Nokia compiled kernel. Jun 24 16:40:54 does Diablo reflash the kernel? Jun 24 16:41:21 I assumed it was a complete factory restore Jun 24 16:41:57 yes, if you flashed diablo, it flashes everything Jun 24 16:42:07 only the lock code (and MAC addresses stay the same) Jun 24 16:42:28 lock code ? Jun 24 16:42:40 there's a lock code ? Jun 24 16:42:41 poweron? Jun 24 16:43:15 johnx: would it help if I flashed back to 2008 - I think it might... Jun 24 16:43:28 diablo did drain my battery though Jun 24 16:43:34 well it would certainly tell you whether this is a software or hardware problem Jun 24 16:43:34 + i have about 50% cpu usage non stop Jun 24 16:44:13 hildon-desktop 40% cpu Jun 24 16:44:20 An applet is eating CPU Jun 24 16:44:49 do they keep running even if they're not displayed (unchecked in applet manager) ? Jun 24 16:45:04 crashanddie, They can if they are in python >.< Jun 24 16:45:31 cpu speed, disk free size, net stats, wifi signal Jun 24 16:45:40 uninstall ? Jun 24 16:45:48 Nah, just disable and reboot Jun 24 16:45:52 k Jun 24 16:47:58 lbt: fwiw I also see mmci-omap command timeouts in dmesg Jun 24 16:48:03 although both cards are mounted Jun 24 16:50:19 lbt, this is an odd suggestion but what does dbus-monitor --system say when opening the cover etc? (The mmc events are recieved by HAL which is sent to ke-recv which handles mmc mounting etc) Jun 24 16:51:30 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jun 24 16:51:36 sussed it Jun 24 16:51:38 Did any of my browser bugs ship fixed in Diablo? <_< Jun 24 16:52:13 the mmc controller is seeing the cards - but it's closing the covers that triggers dbus messages to the ui/os Jun 24 16:52:31 so if you insert cards and don't close the covers you can see them manually Jun 24 16:52:51 when the cover is closed it must flick a microswitch and then the gui sees them Jun 24 16:52:52 hahaha Jun 24 16:53:04 back to diablo then... Jun 24 16:53:08 GeneralAntilles, like the one where pressing d-pad center to get the fkb actually submits the form? Jun 24 16:53:17 lbt, there's a magnet which does the switch stuff Jun 24 16:53:17 Yeah Jun 24 16:53:22 Says the week is 23-14 Jun 24 16:53:25 GeneralAntilles, guess. Jun 24 16:53:26 GeneralAntilles: I'm sure if you were to verify them all and update the results in bugs.maemo.org, andre___ would be very happy Jun 24 16:53:28 Which is what I have from SSU Jun 24 16:53:32 and those bugs are still there. :\ Jun 24 16:53:52 hehe Jun 24 16:53:54 GeneralAntilles, anyways, it kinda half works here Jun 24 16:54:04 Those really should have been blocker bugs on Diablo shipping. <_< Jun 24 16:54:16 It basically makes the browser suck for N800 users. Jun 24 16:54:18 mgedmin: qwerty12, johnx - thanks for the assist :) Jun 24 16:54:19 * mgedmin is becoming interested in GeneralAntilles's bugs Jun 24 16:54:45 lbt, done with magnets actually and you're welcome :) Jun 24 16:54:48 personally I hate how the down-arrow button jumps way up if you're scrolling a large text with no hyperlinks Jun 24 16:54:52 This is why we should break into nokia internal bugtracker muhahaha. I can impersonate nokia employee and make some bugs high priority :P Jun 24 16:54:58 lbt, no probs :) Jun 24 16:55:07 I wonder if this one got fixed Jun 24 16:55:22 GeneralAntilles, you still up for raiding Nokia armed with frozen trouts? Jun 24 16:55:29 Hell yes. Jun 24 16:55:29 starting to seem like a good idea... Jun 24 16:55:35 Ugh Jun 24 16:55:42 I'm too lazy to try and get this tar backup going Jun 24 16:55:54 and too lazy to reinstall all my ish onto a freshly flashed Diablo Jun 24 16:55:56 why raiding nokia with frozen trouts ? Jun 24 16:56:03 I mean Jun 24 16:56:15 they're finish, surely anything frozen doesn't bother them Jun 24 16:56:21 anyone know why I cant set osso_xterm font to "Vera Mono" even tho it is installed Jun 24 16:56:25 nope, bug still present Jun 24 16:56:30 fontconfig acting up or something Jun 24 16:56:31 fc-cache Jun 24 16:56:56 crashanddie, ever been slapped in the head with a frozen trout? it doesn't matter what nationality you are, it hurts! Jun 24 16:57:06 johnx, I beg to differ Jun 24 16:57:22 it wasn't a large trout Jun 24 16:57:25 but it was frozen Jun 24 16:57:25 johnx, I know a nationality that would like it :p Jun 24 16:57:33 yipee! the ctrl button in the xterm toolbar now acts sanely! Jun 24 16:57:36 and it kinda ricocheted off my cheek Jun 24 16:57:36 yay diablo developers! Jun 24 16:57:40 for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896 can't you get around that by using stage.maemo.org? Jun 24 16:57:48 btw Jun 24 16:57:55 GeneralAntilles, wrt browser bugs: i simply expect them now to ship software updates more often Jun 24 16:58:00 coincidence ? Blizzard is actually teasing people with the launch of Diablo III Jun 24 16:58:07 andre___, we'll see how that works out. Jun 24 16:58:12 I'm not holding my breath, personally. Jun 24 16:58:48 GeneralAntilles, Not really. Stage hosts sources of only things Nokia modify. Jun 24 16:58:53 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 Jun 24 16:58:57 Ugh Jun 24 16:59:28 * GeneralAntilles doesn't want to troubleshoot for that bug for another 6 months. Jun 24 16:59:45 GA Jun 24 16:59:48 Updating NOW... Jun 24 16:59:49 i finally got my N810 Jun 24 17:00:11 Zmiko, congrats ! Jun 24 17:00:21 Zmiko: excellent. Jun 24 17:01:04 Its awesome I love it Jun 24 17:01:07 GeneralAntilles: ran, but its still not visible in the fontlist Jun 24 17:01:16 flash doesn't work quite as well as I had hoped, but oh well Jun 24 17:01:30 Zmiko, did you upgrade to diablo? Jun 24 17:01:53 Zmiko: if you want flash videos, install mytube and mplayer, smooth playback all around Jun 24 17:02:19 this was the case in chinook, havent tried diablo flash yet Jun 24 17:03:57 Ave: oh? I've noticed audio/video desynchronisation with mplayer and was pretty unhappy about that Jun 24 17:04:04 i haven't upgraded yet, I don't have a usb cable Jun 24 17:04:18 (with mplayer playing Flash .flv videos; other files are fine) Jun 24 17:04:21 youtubes fine in canola, its the twitlive stream thats not good Jun 24 17:04:24 hm, I havent seen too bad cases of that Jun 24 17:04:39 they start okay, but desync after a few minutes Jun 24 17:04:56 is canola fixed yet with regards to the crawler fights? Jun 24 17:04:59 and IIRC I noticed that specifically with the canola youtube plugin (as well as plain mplayer on my laptop) Jun 24 17:05:57 mgedmin, Grab the mplayer rc2 version that Bundyo compiled. flv plays back brilliantly in that. Jun 24 17:06:05 good! Jun 24 17:06:10 um, is it in extras? Jun 24 17:06:22 Nope, tar.gz... Jun 24 17:06:35 :( Jun 24 17:06:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231 Jun 24 17:06:48 we need that packaging sprint Jun 24 17:07:24 here's a plan: sponsor travel for all package developers, get them in a room, and then LOCK THE ROOM and don't let anyone out until they upload their packages in extras Jun 24 17:07:41 tell them there will be cake Jun 24 17:07:41 flashing done, is there install file anywhere that I can install all repos Jun 24 17:08:00 wiza, highly UNRECOMMENDED but www.gronmayer.com/it Jun 24 17:08:07 wiza: I'm trying to stick to just extras Jun 24 17:08:10 and extras-devel Jun 24 17:08:17 well, and fbreader, because I really need it Jun 24 17:08:19 qwerty12: what's unrecommended? Jun 24 17:08:26 Installing all the repos. Jun 24 17:08:32 ahh Jun 24 17:08:33 ... and my on repo, because I also need vim Jun 24 17:08:39 GeneralAntilles, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 is really ugly, you faced that one too? Jun 24 17:08:50 Back in 50 Jun 24 17:08:53 -2 Jun 24 17:08:55 is there an understanding of which repos are 'good'? Jun 24 17:08:58 I haven't flashed Diablo yet. Jun 24 17:09:26 where can i get Diablo Jun 24 17:09:34 hmm my diablo+restore went on smooth, all repos were restored Jun 24 17:09:42 I'm kinda pissed off that nokia didn't provide this one by ssu :( Jun 24 17:09:44 but I wonder if I should remove chinook repos now? Jun 24 17:09:47 thopiekar: http://maemo.org/downloads has links to the OS images Jun 24 17:09:54 Ave, keep chinook extras. Jun 24 17:09:55 ccooke, ones that match your OS version and don't provide conflicting packages or try to upgrade core libs/utils Jun 24 17:10:15 qwerty12: ok thanks Jun 24 17:10:17 qwerty12, don't be irrational. :P Jun 24 17:10:19 oh, yes - now it's out... what was the username and password for the diablo repo? I never got around to looking :-) Jun 24 17:10:21 aah, maemo-extras was disabled Jun 24 17:10:33 ccooke: no password; it's released now Jun 24 17:10:36 (and I probably use the tablet too much to risk a beta, anyway) Jun 24 17:10:53 mgedmin: that's my point. what *was* the password? I'm curious :-) Jun 24 17:11:01 wiza: yes, bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 Jun 24 17:11:31 mgedmin, let me get try to get more attention on that issue Jun 24 17:11:46 maemo.org/downloads is still showing me ugly "click on the somthingunreadable" placeholders instead of most screenshot thumbnails Jun 24 17:11:55 should I blame my ISP or maemo.org's web server? Jun 24 17:12:22 mgedmin, do you have an N800 or N810? Jun 24 17:12:22 ccooke, it's all out anyway, so I have no qualms in sharing (and I get rights as I was the first one to find out the password :P) : https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/apt/http-tablet-identification.patch . ( Jun 24 17:12:25 how would your isp be responsible of a webserver's poor behavior ? Jun 24 17:12:28 andre___: N810 Jun 24 17:12:31 thanks Jun 24 17:12:47 crashanddie: unreasonably high packet loss Jun 24 17:13:02 it happens sometimes Jun 24 17:13:06 * GeneralAntilles stops reading the Diablo release thread. Jun 24 17:13:08 Garbage. Jun 24 17:13:27 * mgedmin followed the ITT link and saw 75 pages of web forumy things Jun 24 17:13:38 * mgedmin tried reading about four of the pages, then gave up Jun 24 17:14:34 Meh, I never tried attempting anyway. All I needed to do was load up the flasher anyway and flash. What could I learn on itt about that? Jun 24 17:14:39 sjgadsby, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194855&postcount=8 Jun 24 17:15:03 qwerty12: *laugh* Jun 24 17:15:08 qwerty12: nice and secure Jun 24 17:15:17 It wasn't about security Jun 24 17:15:22 no, I know Jun 24 17:15:51 it seemed to me that Nokia were being pretty nice about it Jun 24 17:16:03 what I was more surprised about was that I actually found it in there. I knew apt would be the right place to look, I jsut didn't expect to find it already there in a patch file :P Jun 24 17:16:19 re Jun 24 17:16:27 hi lardman Jun 24 17:16:33 hey qwerty12 Jun 24 17:16:45 umm, now I can't download mplayer Jun 24 17:16:52 qwerty12: it could be said that putting it there is a tacit invitation to people who are going to the effort of finding it... Jun 24 17:16:57 Somebody want to go through these and check them? http://tinyurl.com/64l4pw Jun 24 17:17:02 maybe I should just clear my repository list and reinstall those Jun 24 17:17:22 wiza: note that many of my repositories had an empty "distribution" setting Jun 24 17:17:30 which used to mean chinook, but now means diablo Jun 24 17:17:39 and many repositories do not have a diablo version Jun 24 17:17:52 qwerty12: (and their choice not to *change* the password after it was found is a confirmation of that :-) Jun 24 17:18:21 mgedmin: so it's ok to change that to chinook in maemo-extra etc? Jun 24 17:18:27 rm_you: you about? Jun 24 17:18:32 flashed. Jun 24 17:18:37 restored from backup. Jun 24 17:18:39 wiza: that's what I did, and it worked for me(TM) Jun 24 17:18:40 fingers crossed. Jun 24 17:18:52 ccooke, It would be very hard to do that. That would mean shipping a new apt so that SSU would work and I believe apt is GPL so it would be dodgy not to share any changes they made iirc. Jun 24 17:19:17 (I suspect things would have been much more heavily locked down if the password was leaked all over the place Jun 24 17:19:44 qwerty12: That password was public for a very long time before it was used ;) Jun 24 17:19:47 qwerty12: not as hard as you'd think. they could have put a much greater lockdown in place if they wanted to Jun 24 17:20:18 X-Fade, I wouldn't know :) Jun 24 17:20:36 ccooke, I guess they could share a new apt internally :/ Jun 24 17:20:45 qwerty12: wouldn't even need to do that Jun 24 17:20:47 qwerty12: I subscribed to -commit and saw it come by a long time ago ;) Jun 24 17:20:54 * lardman is happy that at least some of his applications reinstalled Jun 24 17:21:10 lardman: Were there any that failed? Jun 24 17:21:16 does anyone here use twitter, and if so how do you do it on the tablet? Jun 24 17:21:21 qwerty12: distribute one that relies on a keyfile, say. Package the keyfile and stick it online with a login per user. Jun 24 17:21:30 what's about canola? the developters in #canola said that beta 10 with fm radio will be available at the 21th of june... Jun 24 17:21:39 Zmiko, I packaged twitter. An old version now though. Jun 24 17:21:44 X-Fade: Lots which presumably don't have Diablo builds - maemo mapper, mplater, openssh, rtcomm beta Jun 24 17:21:52 s/mplater/mplayer Jun 24 17:22:16 lardman: Yeah, just use the chinook repo. Worked fine for me. Jun 24 17:22:31 X-Fade: yeah, on my way to that; thanks :) Jun 24 17:22:48 qwerty12: *very* little disruption to the bugtesters, easy to tell who leaked a file if one gets leaked... And about 48 hours of someone's time on Nokia's side to get it set up, most of which is user account creation and testing. Jun 24 17:23:06 qwerty12: What twitter app did you package? Jun 24 17:23:21 X-Fade, Do you know when the Diablo SDK will be released? It will be a relief from compiling stuff from stage in CHINOOK_ARMEL :) Jun 24 17:23:26 ccooke, Doh, mitter. Jun 24 17:23:33 (Doh is on my side lol) Jun 24 17:23:41 qwerty12: It has already been released .. for a few hours.. Jun 24 17:23:41 ah, shame. I found that a bit unusable :-/ Jun 24 17:24:06 qwerty12: Everything you will need it here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ Jun 24 17:24:25 X-Fade, Ah, okie, thanks. I'll grab the scripts now. I'm making conky more applet like and building it for diablo will be nice :) Jun 24 17:24:25 s/it/is/ Jun 24 17:24:25 X-Fade meant: qwerty12: Everything you will need is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ Jun 24 17:25:17 maybe I should try mitter again on diablo? Jun 24 17:25:36 X-Fade: wizard-mounter won't install.. and I see here http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html that nfs/portmap doesn't seem to be in Diablo.. Jun 24 17:25:44 ccooke, Probably end up with same result. It is an old version, maybe if I have time, I'll package the new one. Jun 24 17:26:02 lbt: Can you please file a bug about things that don't work? Jun 24 17:26:05 (three little problems: It never automatically updated, even when it said it was. It would sometimes hang doing an update. And it would Never Die) Jun 24 17:26:13 * qwerty12 screams as I see that scratchbox will have to be updated too. Jun 24 17:26:23 lbt: Now there are still people working in Finland, they won't be for long ;) Jun 24 17:26:44 lbt: Finland shuts down in July. Jun 24 17:26:47 best place? bugzilla? https://bugs.maemo.org Jun 24 17:26:55 lbt: Yes. Jun 24 17:27:14 mmpc won't install (no libglade) Jun 24 17:27:35 hmmf. where the hell is a link to the flasher? I never find it ;) Jun 24 17:27:39 Is it just me, or do we have two flashing articles on the wiki? Jun 24 17:27:54 GeneralAntilles: MERGE! :) Jun 24 17:28:10 https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS https://wiki.maemo.org/Installation Jun 24 17:28:12 Hooker. . . . Jun 24 17:30:27 * GeneralAntilles shouldn't have slept in today. Jun 24 17:30:46 GeneralAntilles: Lol, you never sleep and today.... Jun 24 17:30:49 * qwerty12 wishes I had Jun 24 17:31:42 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Veggen Jun 24 17:31:48 thanks :) Jun 24 17:32:09 Ugh, I don't want to have to use sfdisk again. ;_; Jun 24 17:32:44 [carefully] I hope the internal flash formatting bug is gone from Diablo? =) Jun 24 17:32:59 what bug? Jun 24 17:33:32 someone needs to port cfdisk over Jun 24 17:33:44 cfdisk rules Jun 24 17:33:45 I really don't like sfdisk Jun 24 17:33:54 to restore the backup or not to restore the backup? Jun 24 17:34:08 why wouldn't you? Jun 24 17:34:10 mgedmin: internal flash was formatted for a bigger number of sectors than were physically present Jun 24 17:34:19 mgedmin: so, sooner or later it went kaboom Jun 24 17:34:24 mgedmin, Go on, you want to compile cfdisk for your sprint ;P Jun 24 17:34:26 RST38h: right; but then flashing the OS doesn't reformat your SD cards Jun 24 17:34:33 RST38h: And you think a firmware update will ever fix that? Jun 24 17:34:46 good question. I don't think there's anything of the hacking I've done that's gonna be on the backup, so I guess it'll be just as clean if I restore... Jun 24 17:35:11 X-Fade: [scratching head] On the second thought, firmware update should not have anythign to do with that =) Jun 24 17:35:20 as it does not reformat internal flash Jun 24 17:35:40 crashanddie,, you wanted me Jun 24 17:35:43 now if you could explain to me why my n810 keeps corrupting my internal flash every few weeks Jun 24 17:35:50 hi folks btw Jun 24 17:35:55 * RST38h is being stupid, sorry Jun 24 17:35:55 even after I reformatted it to be smaller than the size of the SD card Jun 24 17:35:58 lcuk: moo Jun 24 17:36:01 hi lcuk2 Jun 24 17:36:12 mgedmin: some bad software? Jun 24 17:36:20 * lcuk2 has lost his big computer to cbeebies Jun 24 17:36:21 custom kernel? drivers? Jun 24 17:36:30 stock stuff Jun 24 17:36:45 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc2/bigfile is guaranteed to cause fs corruption Jun 24 17:36:57 even after I freshly reformat the internal flash with the stock file manager Jun 24 17:37:08 mgedmin, does your NIT die from battery when its on? Jun 24 17:37:42 no Jun 24 17:38:28 weird Jun 24 17:38:30 could someone recommend a good irc client Jun 24 17:38:37 xchat Jun 24 17:38:38 irssi :-) Jun 24 17:38:41 isnt all the drive space internally on the 810 from one big flash disk Jun 24 17:38:42 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Jun 24 17:38:44 konversation Jun 24 17:39:09 I'll 3rd x-chat. Jun 24 17:39:20 im using xchat now so ivegotta recommend it Jun 24 17:39:38 How To: Make Windows Vista Boot Faster With Multiple Cores Jun 24 17:39:39 Even on windows, I prefer to use X-Chat instead of that POS mirc :/ Jun 24 17:39:44 lcuk2: there's the 256 megs of raw MTD and 2 more gigs that are indistinguishable from an SD card, softwarily Jun 24 17:39:50 Ah, loops Windows users have to jump through... Jun 24 17:39:56 thanks, ill look at x-chat Jun 24 17:40:02 skyhusker -> maemo extras! now! Jun 24 17:40:10 We Need X-Chat Jun 24 17:40:13 yep Jun 24 17:40:19 irssi. :D Jun 24 17:40:35 how long does a beta test run? speaking of which, is win 95 now considered stable? Jun 24 17:40:36 I'm w/ ccooke Jun 24 17:40:41 and Raytray Jun 24 17:41:06 lcuk2: *dead* is 'stable'... Jun 24 17:41:06 RST38h: I have a somewhat naive relationship with Windows. If I'm gonna use Windows, it's *not* gonna be my responsibility to make sure Windows actually works. Jun 24 17:41:11 There are 4 IRC clients for Os2008. Out of them, only one has a gui. X-Chat. Jun 24 17:41:25 pidgin has also Jun 24 17:41:33 (GUI that is) Jun 24 17:41:35 * GeneralAntilles flashes. Jun 24 17:41:37 pidgin doesn't count :) >_> Jun 24 17:41:38 and rtcomm Jun 24 17:41:38 (and irc support) Jun 24 17:41:40 Ah, yes, pidgin. Also rtcomm Jun 24 17:41:41 Veggen: you probably never had a job so far? Jun 24 17:41:45 GeneralAntilles, put it away Jun 24 17:41:56 qwerty12: yes, but irssi doesn't *need* a GUI :-) Jun 24 17:41:59 You know you like it, lcuk2. :P Jun 24 17:42:00 lcuk2: you beat me Jun 24 17:42:03 why doesn't pidgin count? Jun 24 17:42:11 because it's horrible Jun 24 17:42:13 Because it sucks ass. Jun 24 17:42:16 at least as an irc client Jun 24 17:42:20 anyway, I agree that irc is best enjoyed on a proper client, not on a chat client (like pidgin or rtcom) Jun 24 17:42:20 It sucks my balls. Jun 24 17:42:22 ... I really have to write the irssi-maemo stuff I wanted to. Jun 24 17:42:24 RST38h: Oh. I've been working with networking, Unix, databases etc. for the last 13 or so years. Longer if you count part-time work while I was studying :) Jun 24 17:42:25 * X-Fade hands GeneralAntilles a towel. We don't need to see that ;) Jun 24 17:42:25 it's ok, better than rtcomm anyway Jun 24 17:42:32 for future reference, the magic one-liner to make scratchbox work on ubuntu hardy is Jun 24 17:42:33 sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096 Jun 24 17:42:41 Veggen: Then you should know that sometimes it is not an option Jun 24 17:42:44 Maybe next week, when I'm on holiday :-) Jun 24 17:42:57 has crashanddie actually crashed and died? Jun 24 17:43:02 RST38h: actually, so far it *has* been an option. Jun 24 17:43:20 what's the deb-src line for pristine debian packages? Jun 24 17:43:20 X-Fade: I am not sure pidgin anal sex counts as porn Jun 24 17:43:34 Veggen: you are lucky then Jun 24 17:43:41 * mgedmin finds it Jun 24 17:43:42 RST38h: oh, it would. Pigeon anal sex, on the other hand... Jun 24 17:43:43 * konttori_ just got notification of prism update. Man, I love the update notifications Jun 24 17:43:52 Oh, I sometimes have to touch windows. But I'm never gonna take responsibility for Windows working. And if it's too close to the OS, I'll insist on having Windows-people with me to take care of Windows stuff. Jun 24 17:43:54 (pedant? where?) Jun 24 17:44:08 Ugh, E-Mail and Settings are still linked in Backup/Restore. Jun 24 17:44:52 i suppose i best do some upgrading , how are the servers holding up Jun 24 17:44:55 TV is showing shitloads of pirate DVDs Jun 24 17:45:07 Fine when I downloaded about 20 minutes ago, lcuk2. Jun 24 17:45:09 Being destroyed on camera. How cute. Jun 24 17:45:34 lcuk2: Quite well actually ;) Jun 24 17:45:43 Probably going to use the resulting plastic granules to make new pirate DVDs =) Jun 24 17:45:49 RST38h, i thought they were good movies Jun 24 17:45:57 especially the one with davey jones Jun 24 17:46:11 NOLO updated Jun 24 17:46:16 they are, they are... Jun 24 17:46:23 cfdisk is part of util-linux... Jun 24 17:46:30 or was it the dodgy vivid porn version Jun 24 17:47:13 * lcuk2 hasnt laughed so much before - yarrrr and avast me hearties never sounded so fun :D Jun 24 17:47:16 * mgedmin loses interest Jun 24 17:47:29 mmm, cookies Jun 24 17:47:39 Is this what the x-chat GUI still looks like now? - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/maemo-xchat/ ? Jun 24 17:47:43 dip them in your tea Jun 24 17:48:17 Pretty much, ccooke. Jun 24 17:48:43 well, lots of "chinook" added to extras, devel-extras etc Jun 24 17:49:30 GeneralAntilles: right. Definitely not an improvement on irssi, then :-) Jun 24 17:49:37 Depends Jun 24 17:49:39 ok , if crashanddie returns would some1 tell him ill speak later Jun 24 17:49:41 irssi is a pain on the tablet Jun 24 17:49:46 GeneralAntilles: how so? Jun 24 17:49:56 With a vkb and fkb? Jun 24 17:49:59 very so Jun 24 17:50:04 Cumbersome Jun 24 17:50:07 if you're on an n800 I could see that Jun 24 17:50:09 GeneralAntilles: ahh. yes, of course. Jun 24 17:50:26 * lcuk2 back later Jun 24 17:50:40 GeneralAntilles: I have an n810. Using it for note-taking at work has made me actually pretty fast on the keyboard Jun 24 17:52:06 Man, they sure know how to spam on -users. Jun 24 17:52:48 ccooke: I had nothing but n810 at home for a while. Jun 24 17:52:53 It also helped ;) Jun 24 17:53:17 Veggen: I bet! Jun 24 17:53:25 I don't see the n810 hkb is that bad Jun 24 17:53:34 no, it's pretty usable. Jun 24 17:53:54 but I'm not nearly as fast at it as on a fullsize keyboard :) Jun 24 17:53:56 summatusmentis: if it were any worse, it'd be unusable. As it is... it's the lower limit of good enough, but it *is* good enough Jun 24 17:54:53 ccooke: see... I don't find it borderline unusable, save for maybe the d-pad placement Jun 24 17:55:02 I sort of wish the keyboard were centered Jun 24 17:55:12 omweather crashes window manager in diablo Jun 24 17:55:16 hmm, where do one control the agps settings? Jun 24 17:55:31 Install the agps-ui Jun 24 17:55:43 RST38h, yep, same here Jun 24 17:55:55 figures, i thought it came preinstalled :P Jun 24 17:55:57 aquatix, around? Jun 24 17:56:04 qwerty12_N800: yeah Jun 24 17:56:09 irssi apparently locked up Jun 24 17:56:11 odd Jun 24 17:56:12 ominous weather... Jun 24 17:56:14 summatusmentis: I used to use the Zaurus. And before that, Psion 5mx. Now *that* was a good keyboard. Jun 24 17:56:15 OMweather has a bit of a reputation of crashing, I'm affraid. Jun 24 17:56:34 * aquatix is charging his n810 Jun 24 17:56:37 ccooke: the Cxx00 keyboards are awesome, I agree Jun 24 17:56:37 weather applets seem to have this problem Jun 24 17:56:42 I made a version of load-applet that doesn't flash the icon but instead flashes the hardware led instead ;P Jun 24 17:56:44 Ok, I am not touching omweather config for now Jun 24 17:56:53 @aquatix Jun 24 17:56:54 qwerty12_N800: ooh :) Jun 24 17:56:57 summatusmentis: they were good, but the Psion 5 series was perfect. Jun 24 17:57:00 qwerty12_N800: when will I be able to install it from extras? :-) Jun 24 17:57:07 qwerty12_N800: some evil pink colour? ;) Jun 24 17:57:36 mgedmin, It's not my package to upload in all honesty :) Jun 24 17:57:47 ccooke: I'm too young to know what the Psion 5 series is :) Jun 24 17:57:57 ccooke: I loved the 5mx as well. Jun 24 17:57:57 qwerty12_N800: send a patch upstream then Jun 24 17:58:06 aquatix, the only tablet I have, only does blue ;) Jun 24 17:58:11 I remember when we had three or four different versions of load-applet... Jun 24 17:58:12 summatusmentis: http://the-gadgeteer.com/review/psion_series_5_review Jun 24 17:58:15 nuts. Jun 24 17:58:17 it wasn't fun deciding which one to use Jun 24 17:58:34 ccooke: Would be so great to revive that device with modern hw. It was splendid. Jun 24 17:58:36 I think I lost my customized keyboard layout. Jun 24 17:58:49 aquatix, anyway , want the deb? Jun 24 17:58:55 oh well. It was the research that was difficult, not actually doing it. Jun 24 17:58:56 qwerty12_N800: sure thing! Jun 24 17:59:05 s60 pales in comparison to the symbian from the 5mx time Jun 24 17:59:15 Nice not having Application manager crash after every 2nd or 3rd application install. Jun 24 17:59:16 summatusmentis: basically, though, it had a laptop-style keyboard and stunning design quality. Jun 24 17:59:24 could one touch type on that keyboard? Jun 24 17:59:43 5mx pen was also truly great Jun 24 17:59:44 summatusmentis: oh, certainly Jun 24 18:00:15 intriguing Jun 24 18:00:19 heh, I noticed that the App Manager became more pleasant to use, but didn't quite notice why :-) Jun 24 18:00:20 and it was pocketable? Jun 24 18:00:33 aquatix, http://www.sendspace.com/file/0lx49r :) Jun 24 18:00:53 summatusmentis: yeah. about as pocketable as n810 Jun 24 18:01:08 small fingered could touch type on it Jun 24 18:01:16 summatusmentis: yep. Clamshell, about half again as thick as the n810 and about an inch longer Jun 24 18:01:30 nice Jun 24 18:01:44 RST38h, if you are feeling geeky, you can configure omweather through gconf-editor Jun 24 18:02:04 summatusmentis: heh. From a review: "The Psion 5mx has the nicest keyboard of any device in its class. I can actually touch-type at 40-50 WPM on it" Jun 24 18:02:04 GeneralAntilles: yeah, well, appman received quite a lot QA love to e.g. not to crash in the middle of OS update Jun 24 18:02:07 hm, n810 is about on the outer edges of the definition of "pocketable" in my book Jun 24 18:02:20 mgedmin: you need bigger pockets Jun 24 18:02:22 konttori_, still not enough, though. :( Jun 24 18:02:32 I used to carry my C3200 in my pocket... huge Jun 24 18:02:42 summatusmentis: I'd rather have smaller devices :-) Jun 24 18:02:47 GeneralAntilles: what issues do you have with it? Jun 24 18:02:52 summatusmentis: indeed. But strudier than the n810. Jun 24 18:03:03 summatusmentis: I'd never carry this in my pocket without a strong case. Jun 24 18:03:12 konttori_: Oops, wrong question ;) Jun 24 18:03:31 konttori_, since you asked. https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager Jun 24 18:03:46 umm, wayfinder shows that my map version is scandinavia ta2006.07... Jun 24 18:03:46 More specifically, though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2765 Jun 24 18:03:53 that's kinda old... Jun 24 18:03:59 ccooke: I carry my n810 in my pocket w/ the factory sleeve Jun 24 18:04:12 GeneralAntilles: yeah, the UI is not very good in appman. Jun 24 18:04:21 summatusmentis: I can't be seen in public with the factory sleeve ;) Jun 24 18:04:31 summatusmentis: it would get crushed when I travelled on the tube :-) Jun 24 18:04:36 qwerty12_N800: got it, thanks Jun 24 18:04:37 GeneralAntilles: isn't that a bug in the Restore app? Jun 24 18:04:41 i'll first flash diablo :) Jun 24 18:04:42 not the app manager? Jun 24 18:04:43 X-Fade, easy, just keep it in your pocket all the time like a little sub-pocket. :P Jun 24 18:04:48 mgedmin, I don't know. Jun 24 18:04:50 the factory sleeve fits entirely into my shirt pocket. Jun 24 18:04:50 X-Fade: why? Jun 24 18:05:02 and I just keep the tablet in there Jun 24 18:05:22 we had just about no possibility to do any UI related changes to appman in diablo Jun 24 18:05:30 for reasons I cannot say Jun 24 18:05:45 I keep mine in the factory sleeve in my left pants pocket Jun 24 18:05:51 it works wonderfully Jun 24 18:05:52 summatusmentis: As beautiful as the device is, as ugly the sleeve ;) Jun 24 18:05:53 GeneralAntilles: nice mockups on your wiki page! Jun 24 18:05:59 Thanks! Jun 24 18:06:02 Yeah, truly nice ones. I agree Jun 24 18:06:07 X-Fade: noone see the sleeve :-D Jun 24 18:06:25 though I don't like the column-view Jun 24 18:06:41 vertical splitters just don't work for me on screens only 800px wide Jun 24 18:06:52 Meh, personally, I'd like to see them all implemented Jun 24 18:06:59 then the user can pick whichever one works best for them. ;) Jun 24 18:07:03 grid view is nice, and to be honest, we should have made some enforcements on the categories as well. (instead of e.g. cli and CLI being separate categories (or existing at all really)) Jun 24 18:07:53 With the gridview you loose context when clicking on a category. I always hate that. Jun 24 18:08:37 true Jun 24 18:08:58 but, then again, tree view has similar issues (albeit a bit different) Jun 24 18:09:00 Designing UIs is hard.. Jun 24 18:09:14 Well, designing good UIs.. Jun 24 18:09:16 colun view is the nicest, but there is not enough space for it really Jun 24 18:09:46 the current model is the worst, as everybody will always just choose the all. Jun 24 18:09:53 nuts. Didn't know I had that many extra programs installed... Jun 24 18:10:18 grid might be the easiest improvement to the current one Jun 24 18:10:33 it didn't find all requirements either. oh well, hadn't counted on all programs being installed without a problem :) Jun 24 18:10:55 umm, I'm seeing 3 different os2008 feature upgrades on red pill mode Jun 24 18:11:07 Disable red pill. Jun 24 18:11:09 You don't need it. Jun 24 18:11:32 but, hmm. I think it should restore my custom application categories as "settings". It didn't do that. Jun 24 18:12:17 those come from the repositories, not settings Jun 24 18:13:40 oh, I meant in the application menus. Jun 24 18:14:13 ah. understood. Jun 24 18:14:22 odd that it doesn't Jun 24 18:14:35 it didn't. Jun 24 18:15:04 hmm, I have 3 nokia catalogs and 5 maemo ones, anything I should remove? Jun 24 18:15:23 ok. 70 programs installed as part of the restore-process ;) Jun 24 18:15:38 extras, catalog, catalog 3rd party, contrib and extras-devel from maemo Jun 24 18:17:42 Veggen: lol, that is a lot :) Jun 24 18:18:42 mind you, most of them I've probably only tried once ;) Jun 24 18:19:12 Hmm - the improved gps handling - is it gonna be improved at once, or is there something extra you need to do? Jun 24 18:19:25 Veggen: You will be our Autotester ;) See if they all uninstall nicely too? And report back.. Jun 24 18:20:44 hmm...what's that "OS2008 Feature upgrade" package that I can installed? Jun 24 18:20:47 eh, install. Jun 24 18:21:23 rather, that I *can't* install :) Jun 24 18:22:07 Veggen: That will enable both OpenGL and the acceleration sensor. Jun 24 18:22:33 oh. Jun 24 18:22:59 .. huh? Jun 24 18:23:00 X-Fade: hehe beware of spreading rumors it will all fall back to you in the end ;) Jun 24 18:23:12 jott: ;) Jun 24 18:23:42 I'm sorry, couldn't resist ;) Jun 24 18:24:05 i bet itt has 30 post about it already ,) Jun 24 18:24:39 quick guess, its our os update package for future updates ;) Jun 24 18:24:39 Better than 30 posts about the iphone.. Jun 24 18:30:17 How do I use AGPS-beta? Jun 24 18:30:26 It lets me choose a locationbut does nothing Jun 24 18:30:47 RST38h: Just open map and walk outside :) Jun 24 18:32:07 * GeneralAntilles wonders if he should re-file the bugs he submitted to Texrat in Bugzilla now. . . . Jun 24 18:32:44 GeneralAntilles: I think it is a good thing to have all bugs in one place? Jun 24 18:32:48 X-Fade: had to place it by the window Jun 24 18:32:56 5 minutes, no luck yet Jun 24 18:33:01 And hey, it is good for your karma ;) Jun 24 18:40:06 Ugh, I hate having to re-setup the OS. Jun 24 18:41:12 Join the club. Jun 24 18:41:22 My N810 is still running the OS it came with. Jun 24 18:41:52 ew Jun 24 18:41:52 I persuaded myself to like the periodic reflashings Jun 24 18:41:56 "spring cleaning" Jun 24 18:42:17 otoh with the current backup/restore tools all my clutter instantly reappears in the new os Jun 24 18:42:18 That should only come once a year. :P Jun 24 18:50:25 hey guys, I've had a few ideas lately, tell me what you think about it Jun 24 18:51:31 first idea, would be the ability to send a link/document/string of text over to the NIT, and it handles it "correctly". Say, right click on a document and click "send to NIT", and the NIT opens, same thing for a URL in firefox or something. Of course, this should work the other way around, too Jun 24 18:52:55 second idea, create a digital lock. I'm talking about a door lock here. Using BT, and something like public/private certs, open a lock based on the current timestamp or something. Ultimately, this would mean I can walk up to a door, and have it unlock on its own, without any physical interaction from my part Jun 24 18:54:56 http://www.berryreview.com/2007/10/12/preview-fermax-bluetooth-access-control-system/ Jun 24 18:55:47 last thing, maybe using maemo mapper, use the GPS ability to trace where you're going. Throw in some speed measurements, and maybe even height (inclination), and calculate the calories you've lost Jun 24 18:56:02 meh, now i need my n810's serial number to download the firmware, while it's currently charging, awaiting that flash Jun 24 18:56:17 aquatix, hang on Jun 24 18:56:19 General: OMWeather just got updated Jun 24 18:56:23 aquatix, arping your-tablet Jun 24 18:56:25 (although I guess you know it already) Jun 24 18:56:41 hm, is it its mac address? Jun 24 18:56:50 yup Jun 24 18:56:54 ah Jun 24 18:56:57 aquatix, 001D6ED58BD9 Jun 24 18:57:32 fysa, Cost: Aprox. $1000 Jun 24 18:57:38 fysa, I'm talking about low budget here Jun 24 18:57:44 crashanddie: that's yours i guess? Jun 24 18:57:48 of course you are Jun 24 18:57:49 aquatix, yeah Jun 24 18:58:10 thanks Jun 24 18:59:08 you may as well get a Mykey. Jun 24 19:00:20 http://www.ap501.com/buy/product.php Jun 24 19:00:24 $299 Jun 24 19:01:13 general RFID is much cheaper and more reliable than bluetooth-based solutions. Jun 24 19:01:37 * aquatix fetches rfid reader/sniffer/spoofer Jun 24 19:01:46 fysa: where do you live? :) Jun 24 19:02:04 you would have to know the frequency/encryption used still. Jun 24 19:02:10 true Jun 24 19:02:25 then you hope the encryption uses nonces and such Jun 24 19:02:33 otherwise i can just replay Jun 24 19:02:47 but i guess they are that smart :) Jun 24 19:02:55 nice device btw Jun 24 19:02:57 fingerprint is probably easier to fool.. Jun 24 19:03:02 certainly Jun 24 19:03:07 just get a gummy bear ;) Jun 24 19:03:13 no need to fool it either Jun 24 19:03:16 snip, snip Jun 24 19:03:31 :) Jun 24 19:03:48 johnx: it's more fun to break in without the rightful owner of the fingertip knowing Jun 24 19:03:54 aquatix, I gpg encrypt the current timestamp, and send that through, you have about 20 seconds (to account for clock-drift) to get in unnoticed. At least, that's how I'd do it. Jun 24 19:04:04 on the top of my head, that is, using a BT based solution Jun 24 19:04:18 crashanddie: aight Jun 24 19:04:29 sounds quite bulletproof indeed Jun 24 19:04:42 but i can walk behind you Jun 24 19:04:54 really depends on the circumstances i guess Jun 24 19:04:56 aquatix, that doesn't change from usual RFID cards Jun 24 19:05:07 once the door is locked, any number of persons can enter Jun 24 19:05:10 unlocked** Jun 24 19:05:14 you close the door behind you and it locks. Jun 24 19:05:46 now if I walked by the door on my way to the restroom.. Jun 24 19:05:55 it could unlock and sit in an open state, waiting for entry Jun 24 19:06:04 true Jun 24 19:06:07 fysa, most systems have a timeout Jun 24 19:06:17 my point was, if i'm behind you, i can sniff your key Jun 24 19:06:22 you enter, close the door Jun 24 19:06:26 and i replay Jun 24 19:06:45 fysa, the system I coded about a year ago, had a 5s timeout, if the door didn't open within that period, the door locked again Jun 24 19:06:55 if it's your home, that will be an interesting situation, but in a busy office i might be unnoticed Jun 24 19:07:01 also, we had a check, if the door stayed open for more than x number of seconds, there was a security alarm Jun 24 19:07:08 cool Jun 24 19:07:11 * aquatix wants Jun 24 19:07:19 i think my gf is going to hate me Jun 24 19:07:45 aquatix, again, say I encrypt the current timestamp using my private key, the device has my public key, you can't sniff my key/crack it Jun 24 19:07:54 I developed an RFID system that is running at the SeaTac airport.. if you ever fly in, walk to the valet/hotel shuttle terminals and you will see weatherproof embedded Linux boxes reading RFID from 200 feet :) Jun 24 19:07:58 aquatix, but with the new locks, she can hate you from *outside* :D Jun 24 19:08:01 aquatix, we could also think about a feature that if the same timestamp gets sent through twice, security alarm goes off Jun 24 19:08:04 johnx: lol Jun 24 19:08:14 crashanddie: the latter will help Jun 24 19:08:26 but i can just repeat your already encrypted message Jun 24 19:08:32 within those 20 secs or something Jun 24 19:08:45 no need to know your key or crack it Jun 24 19:08:49 easy enough to make that system replay resistant though Jun 24 19:08:55 indeed Jun 24 19:08:59 that's what I said, if said timestamp is sent a second time, you get pwned Jun 24 19:09:00 don't except the same time stamp twice :P Jun 24 19:09:02 just add some random nonce Jun 24 19:09:14 or that :) Jun 24 19:10:03 Now of course, the greatest issue here is that simply mugging someone would mean you gain access to certain areas, but that is no different that stealing the key card Jun 24 19:10:17 indeed Jun 24 19:10:21 or their physical keys Jun 24 19:10:32 if someone steals my smartcard, they can enter my office Jun 24 19:10:35 still, a normal luser would probably be more freaked out about the fact someone stole his wallet, that has the key, instead of someone ripping his phone out of his hands Jun 24 19:10:36 and as always 2 factor is better, 3 factor is great Jun 24 19:10:43 still, there is a guard Jun 24 19:10:44 they might not "notice" the relation between office security and phone Jun 24 19:11:21 anyway, it's just an idea, I'm pretty sure I can build something like this for under $100 per door Jun 24 19:11:24 crashanddie: that's where education comes in Jun 24 19:11:33 aquatix, true Jun 24 19:11:44 there's already such a thing for laptops Jun 24 19:11:46 education only goes so far Jun 24 19:11:50 threats are good too Jun 24 19:11:54 johnx, exactly Jun 24 19:11:57 if bt device is within reach, unlock Jun 24 19:12:14 aquatix, yeah, that idea might have biased my mind Jun 24 19:12:31 damn Jun 24 19:12:37 but to be fair, I just made it up when I walked up to my door, packed with stuff in my hands, and that's when I noticed I had to go back to the car to get my house keys Jun 24 19:12:40 now i'm thinking about doing something similar too Jun 24 19:12:48 aquatix: changing MAC on a bt device is not very difficult though Jun 24 19:12:49 :P Jun 24 19:12:49 heh, yeah Jun 24 19:13:09 that's why an identification is *necessary* Jun 24 19:13:11 Stskeeps: yeah, so you need to do something nifty like exchanging gpg'ed messages Jun 24 19:13:23 there is one hack for this though ! Jun 24 19:13:25 i already have my keys in my pocket though Jun 24 19:13:36 One quite obvious even, even if it might seem complicated Jun 24 19:13:40 (djeezus I'm brainstorming here) Jun 24 19:13:52 say, target goes out to get coffee at starbucks Jun 24 19:14:04 I wait with my NIT, BT enabled, with a daemon waiting Jun 24 19:14:17 guy comes buy, my NIT picks it up, requests encrypted timestamp Jun 24 19:14:35 NIT records it, sends it over to NIT waiting by the door with attacker at the ready Jun 24 19:14:42 ha Jun 24 19:14:47 devices gets fooled, because it gets the correct timestamp Jun 24 19:15:04 heh...so just tunnel it basically? Jun 24 19:15:07 yeah Jun 24 19:15:12 hacked over gprs :) Jun 24 19:15:21 * lcuk just knocks on the door when he forgets keys Jun 24 19:15:22 if you're already doing encryption you just need a certificate for your door :D Jun 24 19:15:27 Weird, installing XChat broke the Application Menu. . . . Jun 24 19:15:35 lcuk: gf tends to work ;) Jun 24 19:15:52 hopefully shes not susceptable to replay attacks either Jun 24 19:15:52 johnx, I love to find flaws in my current design, keeps me going, challenges are what drive me :P Jun 24 19:16:09 crashanddie, I know. it's fun, isn't it? :D Jun 24 19:16:10 crashanddie: i think the solution is to have to sign a request for timestamp Jun 24 19:16:23 well, whatever we're sending over Jun 24 19:16:25 but Jun 24 19:16:41 then you can have your buddy act like your target, relay the request to you Jun 24 19:16:49 you relay to target and then your scheme comes in Jun 24 19:16:51 hm Jun 24 19:16:55 men in the middle Jun 24 19:17:00 why have timestamps, just remember which side of the door you are meant to be on - if you are inside office/house and someone comes to the door locked outside dont let them in Jun 24 19:17:01 lol Jun 24 19:17:14 lcuk, you can't know which side you at Jun 24 19:17:16 lcuk: we are both outside Jun 24 19:17:27 target and me Jun 24 19:17:39 then hit the imposter on the head with the handy 8x0 you have in your pocket Jun 24 19:17:43 <||cw> sure you can, signal strength will be significantly less outside Jun 24 19:17:48 lcuk, even so, say, on a basic principle, that you have to unlock the door too to get in/out Jun 24 19:18:19 ||cw, not necessarily, most badge readers have on instance on the inside AND outside of said door Jun 24 19:18:21 why wouldnt you use a normal door catch? Jun 24 19:18:23 crashanddie, if that was the case, OSHA would chew you out for not complying with fire safety code :P Jun 24 19:18:42 johnx, doors unlock when there's a fire alarm? :-° Jun 24 19:18:56 emulate an alarm, done :) Jun 24 19:19:00 * crashanddie throws molotov Jun 24 19:19:03 <||cw> yeah but those work on a matter of inches or less, bt works on feet Jun 24 19:19:04 * lcuk brings a burning torch to crashanddie's house to get in Jun 24 19:19:05 ghehe Jun 24 19:19:12 * aquatix brings pitforks Jun 24 19:19:18 what is a pit fork? Jun 24 19:19:19 crashanddie, also, if that system say ... catches on fire a lot of people are gonna be unhappy Jun 24 19:19:31 pitforks? the devils work Jun 24 19:19:32 bring out the witch! Jun 24 19:19:35 summatusmentis: something sharp and pointy Jun 24 19:19:44 a pitch fork, I've heard of Jun 24 19:19:44 erm Jun 24 19:19:46 <||cw> johnx: well, you tie it to the fire system and unlock it, many systems do this Jun 24 19:19:47 pitch fork Jun 24 19:19:51 ah, ok :) Jun 24 19:19:52 excuse my french Jun 24 19:19:53 hehe Jun 24 19:20:07 summatusmentis: it's late ;) Jun 24 19:20:17 no excuse Jun 24 19:20:19 racing drivers each dinner with a pit fork Jun 24 19:20:25 http://www.johnclearygallery.com/pics/smith/pitchfork.jpg Jun 24 19:20:27 classy Jun 24 19:20:46 ||cw, I don't think it would be quite accurate tbh... Say someone wears a layer of isolating material, that weakens the BT signal, or the guy stands a bit too far, and halts because he's answering a phone call/picks up stuff, you'd get a false positive Jun 24 19:20:48 thats quite an impressive fork Jun 24 19:20:52 summatusmentis: let's just say englis my fourth language or something ;) Jun 24 19:21:00 lcuk: uh-huh Jun 24 19:21:31 infact, thats the mother of all forks Jun 24 19:21:42 lol Jun 24 19:21:51 i love his hat Jun 24 19:21:56 * aquatix should really get one too Jun 24 19:22:17 i guess it will suit me hilariously Jun 24 19:22:18 <||cw> well, he halts, there's no problem, and wearing lead infused clothing is questionable in the first place Jun 24 19:22:31 ||cw: tinfoil Jun 24 19:22:34 ok, so that idea was quite controversial, plus, it's more of a cheap gadget than really useful, tbh Jun 24 19:22:39 what about first idea? Jun 24 19:22:40 (crashanddie) first idea, would be the ability to send a link/document/string of text over to the NIT, and it handles it "correctly". Say, right click on a document and click "send to NIT", and the NIT opens, same thing for a URL in firefox or something. Of course, this should work the other way around, too Jun 24 19:22:40 ok aquatix the google image search you did, WTF is the next picture about? Jun 24 19:22:47 http://www.hearya.com/2007/07/03/hey-pitchfork-shut-your-pie-hole/ Jun 24 19:22:56 lcuk: omg Jun 24 19:23:05 i do believe the guy has a traffic cone sticking out of his ass Jun 24 19:23:17 yeah, something like that Jun 24 19:23:24 <||cw> aquatix: foil doens't have that much of an effect on 2.4Ghz Jun 24 19:23:37 OMG safesearch, why have you failed me now Jun 24 19:23:53 lcuk: lol Jun 24 19:24:05 safesearch is for wussies ;) Jun 24 19:24:10 lcuk: or are you at work? Jun 24 19:24:33 not at all, but i was searching for pitchfork, not telescopic fart power Jun 24 19:24:40 ghehe Jun 24 19:24:47 nothing to do with safesearch Jun 24 19:24:53 just failing algorythms Jun 24 19:25:04 epic fail though Jun 24 19:25:11 ok, no-one remotely interested in that one Jun 24 19:25:21 thats not a fail though, quite inventive and i suppose would save the environment in some way Jun 24 19:25:34 just dont breath the fumes Jun 24 19:25:37 crashanddie: hm Jun 24 19:25:56 crashanddie: i think it's very prank-prone :) Jun 24 19:25:58 crashanddie, i actually really like that ident Jun 24 19:26:00 idea Jun 24 19:26:16 but it's quite a good idea indeed Jun 24 19:26:21 then, there's the last one, that I still need to work on, which would be anti-stealing NIT... Add a small daemon, that checks on regular intervals if NIT has been stolen. If it has, gather GPS data, and send to server. Jun 24 19:26:31 aquatix, bluetooth pairing/ssl login would prevent pranks Jun 24 19:26:51 crashanddie: enter 4 8 15 16 23 42 every 108 minutes? Jun 24 19:26:59 lcuk: true Jun 24 19:27:12 crash, just do that anyway, when you slide the keyboard out just take a snapshot and upload to your own private ftp including latest available gps Jun 24 19:27:12 aquatix, hmm ? Jun 24 19:27:22 crashanddie: never watched Lost i guess? ;) Jun 24 19:27:27 nha Jun 24 19:27:55 lcuk, heh, not bad idea, the snapshot feature :P Jun 24 19:27:59 lcuk: geotagged mugshots, nice Jun 24 19:28:09 just go to the cops with it :P Jun 24 19:28:18 call it geomug Jun 24 19:28:21 and since its private you get get rid of the ones where you are picking your nose and no1 will know Jun 24 19:28:28 geomugr Jun 24 19:28:30 here you go fellas, all the work is done for you... He's at 34, calamity drive Jun 24 19:28:44 to stay in web2.0 terminology ;) Jun 24 19:29:13 the only problem with snapshot i think is that the camera is tied to the red led - it glows when its enabled always i believe Jun 24 19:29:29 lcuk, mce should be hackable for that, no ? Jun 24 19:29:31 that's hackable i'd say ;) Jun 24 19:29:34 i suppose you could set an evil red devil theme so they wouldnt suspect Jun 24 19:29:37 * aquatix is gone for a bit Jun 24 19:29:42 err, why I added mce in that is a mystery Jun 24 19:29:48 aquatix, cheers Jun 24 19:29:55 crashanddie: cya :) Jun 24 19:29:56 why does planet.maemo.org do that stupid redirect instead of providing direct links to upstream blogs in the RSS feed? Jun 24 19:29:59 hf guys and galls Jun 24 19:30:00 stats collecting? Jun 24 19:31:15 ehm, do you get a comma appended to the filename when downloading from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ? Jun 24 19:31:26 sp3000, yeah Jun 24 19:31:43 crashanddie, what did ou want me for earlier by the way Jun 24 19:31:49 lcuk, PM Jun 24 19:32:02 just saw - its out of normal line of sight Jun 24 19:34:29 crashanddie: browser? Jun 24 19:34:40 sp3000, wget Jun 24 19:34:45 sp3000, firefox Jun 24 19:35:15 oh, you've fed wget your cookies? you can wget -S then :) Jun 24 19:35:49 bug 3290 - comma appended to filenames from tablets-dev Jun 24 19:36:50 http://gizmodo.com/5019082/nokia-pwns-symbian Jun 24 19:38:02 Well, it's how you do successful business, eh. Jun 24 19:38:31 "Let's just buy them up, make their product open source, and then use their experience along with other to make a cool OS that we all don't have to pay royalties for. yay!" Jun 24 19:40:02 So that puts... Android, OpenMoko, and now Symbian as open source phone OSs... palm is supposed to be coming at some point Jun 24 19:40:05 that's awesome Jun 24 19:40:06 Are you sure it is how you do successful business? Jun 24 19:40:36 Palm is already dead Jun 24 19:40:48 AFAIK, OpenMoko is slowly moving in the same direction Jun 24 19:40:58 Thank god for Palm going away. Jun 24 19:41:00 Android and Symbian - will see Jun 24 19:41:05 * RST38h agrees with General Jun 24 19:42:10 Android is too much phone-oriented, they'll suffer the same end as OpenMOKO as far as I can tell Jun 24 19:42:22 maybe the Google-fanboys will help it stay alive, but it's doomed Jun 24 19:42:30 we don't need *yet another phone OS* Jun 24 19:42:34 there's a shitload already Jun 24 19:42:47 we need a standard platform, that enables portability Jun 24 19:42:47 android is much hyped by people who think it brings total freedom to their phone.. Jun 24 19:42:50 The "Postal address in Contacts?" thread in -users cracks me up. Jun 24 19:42:53 RST38h: Palm will is supposed to be releasing a new one at some point Jun 24 19:43:10 summatusmentis: palm has been supposed to have been doing that for past what.. 6 years? Jun 24 19:43:11 summa: Whatever they are supposed to do, they are a corpse Jun 24 19:43:19 Have been dead for a while now, like Amiga of old Jun 24 19:43:21 summatusmentis: and they've started again couple of times or so Jun 24 19:43:27 glass_: yeah, fair enough Jun 24 19:43:39 plus they'd have to have a good device and etc Jun 24 19:43:49 arguably the centro is decent Jun 24 19:44:01 centro is 5 years late Jun 24 19:44:02 I would suggest waiting with voicing opinion on Android - the thing is not here yet Jun 24 19:44:02 or they could license their OS Jun 24 19:44:13 licensing palmos is easy enough Jun 24 19:44:13 Who knows what it will be when released and how it will be used Jun 24 19:44:21 summa: Palm has no "OS" to speak of Jun 24 19:44:23 but it's ooold Jun 24 19:44:38 ah yeah they sold their os and are licensing it themeselfs..? Jun 24 19:44:39 summa: A bunch of incoherent libraries is not an OS Jun 24 19:44:46 lol Jun 24 19:44:50 hah that too Jun 24 19:45:19 RST38h, Google is hoping to catch most of the googleappengine apps on Android, that's obvious Jun 24 19:45:27 but palms problem is that they never went anywhere after buying handspring Jun 24 19:45:40 crash: There is a joke about this Jun 24 19:45:43 so palms inside innovation has been a dead duck for past 10 years Jun 24 19:46:26 crash: "Is it right that an elephant consumes 100kg of bananas a day? --- He does, but who is gonna let him?" Jun 24 19:46:26 interesting times Jun 24 19:47:04 glass: As in "no filesystem and running <=64kB 68000 apps inside an emulator" Jun 24 19:47:29 hey, palmos had a database-based filesystem Jun 24 19:47:41 that's where microsoft is trying (and failing) to get to :-) Jun 24 19:48:02 mgedmin: it is not a filesystem Jun 24 19:48:08 mgedmin: try programming for it Jun 24 19:48:10 don't ruin my joke! Jun 24 19:48:21 at least palmos apps started up instantly Jun 24 19:48:29 Well, BeOS had a DB-based file system and it worked Jun 24 19:48:41 mgedmin: with 64kB limit, no wonder... Jun 24 19:49:04 and the user interface was pretty convenient Jun 24 19:49:18 the only problem was there were not enough apps :-) Jun 24 19:49:22 UI is the only nice thing about Palm Jun 24 19:49:27 yes Jun 24 19:49:38 and the form factor of older, smaller, thinner, lighter palms Jun 24 19:49:39 Now, if they took their UI and moved it as a library to Linux or something else, they would be very well off Jun 24 19:49:45 now *that* was pocketable Jun 24 19:49:58 Unfortunately, they were THAT stupid to ignore the opportunity Jun 24 19:50:48 beos was pretty good Jun 24 19:50:55 but being a pretty good os means nothing if you got no users Jun 24 19:51:28 I saw BeOS only once Jun 24 19:51:33 which palm will have hard time doing whatever the os they start to use Jun 24 19:51:36 it crashed immediately after booting Jun 24 19:51:44 i ran dano(beta of a version that never shipped) for a while Jun 24 19:51:55 mgedmin: it needed patches for some modern cpu's Jun 24 19:52:03 theres zeta now Jun 24 19:52:15 or at least was.. havent checked into it in a while Jun 24 19:52:24 I read about the tricks they had to invent to make C++ libraries binary-compatible Jun 24 19:52:44 defining extra unused virtual methods so the vtables wouldn't change sizes etc. Jun 24 19:52:45 there is also haiku .. Jun 24 19:52:59 mgedmin: this is standard Jun 24 19:53:08 it was awesome and contributed to the erosion of my then-belief that C++ was the perfect language ever Jun 24 19:53:09 as Nokia switches to QT you are gonna see a LOT of these tricks ;) Jun 24 19:53:11 dano got pretty good uptimes though Jun 24 19:53:37 never crashed on me.. well the audio subsystem crashed but the audio drivers were buggy.. and the subsystem could be restarted with couple of clicks Jun 24 19:54:06 well actually Qt uses pimpl all along.. Jun 24 19:54:48 wow Jun 24 19:54:54 new firmware for n800 Jun 24 19:54:56 what is pimpl? Jun 24 19:55:13 pimples? Jun 24 19:55:16 i kid Jun 24 19:55:16 private implementation Jun 24 19:56:05 but how do they expose apo? Jun 24 19:56:07 api Jun 24 19:57:55 RST38h: http://wiki.qtcentre.org/index.php?title=Private_Implementation there is a short summary Jun 24 19:58:31 thanks Jun 24 19:59:10 Is this expected? W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F5925991C8009E74 Nokia repository signing key 1v1 Jun 24 20:00:40 I heard the browser is better in diablo Jun 24 20:02:04 kkrusty: Seems to be MicroB 1.0.1... I don't notice anything different yet Jun 24 20:02:32 s/better/faster/ Jun 24 20:02:32 kkrusty meant: I heard the browser is faster in diablo Jun 24 20:02:39 ah! right Jun 24 20:03:03 I suppose I should backup Jun 24 20:03:07 before anything Jun 24 20:03:09 Placebo efect :) Jun 24 20:03:54 jsmith: I always saw those errors Jun 24 20:03:56 Im not feeling good. I was thinking deja vu when you said Placebo... Jun 24 20:04:17 and some time before I almost brushed with shaving cream Jun 24 20:04:18 :( Jun 24 20:05:51 wheee DATABASES ARE FILES thread on maemo-whatever@ Jun 24 20:06:11 * mgedmin rotfls Jun 24 20:06:36 Morning, all Jun 24 20:06:45 It is a bit better. Jun 24 20:06:54 It's just not a newer version of Gecko Jun 24 20:06:54 mgedmin: oooh, I look forward to that. Jun 24 20:06:55 Hey, Jaffa. Jun 24 20:07:15 Of course, on an iSeries: physical files *are* database tables Jun 24 20:08:05 GeneralAntilles: Are these GPG invalid signature errors something to worry about? Jun 24 20:08:17 Not in my experience Jun 24 20:09:04 xchat installed Jun 24 20:11:57 mgedmin: oh, that's good. "Or are you claiming that databases take up zero Jun 24 20:12:10 disk space and are stored in the "aether" somehow?" - our new db access layer at work, is codenamed "Aether" :-) Jun 24 20:12:16 Shit, somebody needs to upload all these packages (xchat,nethack,etc) to a repository Jun 24 20:12:19 I particularly like the strawman invocation Jun 24 20:13:16 skyhusker's xchat packages are published without sources Jun 24 20:13:20 RST38h, unfortunately, those someones need to be the maintainers. :\ Jun 24 20:13:34 GPL violation alert! Jun 24 20:13:47 Write his a letter requesting the sources. Jun 24 20:13:51 s/his/him/ Jun 24 20:13:52 GeneralAntilles meant: Write him a letter requesting the sources. Jun 24 20:14:42 GA: Well, one can create a rogue repo and put them all there Jun 24 20:15:11 Well, the issue is more of the uploader uploading the package and then forgetting about it Jun 24 20:15:20 so the repo packages and the maintainer's packages get out of sync. Jun 24 20:15:25 well, this is ok, at least the package is there Jun 24 20:16:01 * mgedmin sends a polite email asking for the sources Jun 24 20:16:33 Somebody should pick XChat up Jun 24 20:16:41 since he seems to have mostly abandoned it. Jun 24 20:17:02 I tried once, but doing the port from scratch (= from upstream xchat sources) was too hard Jun 24 20:17:32 Color Lines should absolutely be in the repo Jun 24 20:17:34 and the bora package had strange ./configure ifdefs specifically for Maemo version 3.0 Jun 24 20:17:41 It is one of the best suited games for the tablet Jun 24 20:18:03 NumptyPhysics too Jun 24 20:18:11 the diablo page doesnt say how to reflash my n800. Can anyone hint me on that? Jun 24 20:18:20 kkrusty: yes Jun 24 20:18:30 kkrusty: the same way you reflash chinook ;-) Jun 24 20:18:36 kkrusty: there's another wiki page, hang on... Jun 24 20:18:46 Jaffa: I've forgotten Jun 24 20:18:54 FYI: URL for people asking for diablo extras help: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation#Diablo_Extras Jun 24 20:19:02 that has the flash stuff Jun 24 20:19:09 Somebody really needs to merge the two flashing pages. <_< Jun 24 20:19:30 yay the wiki is DOWN! Jun 24 20:19:32 I always think of madonna when I see <_< Jun 24 20:19:33 * Connection to 127.0.0.1 Failed Jun 24 20:19:39 It's not down Jun 24 20:19:46 The Apache threads just crap out every once and a while. :\ Jun 24 20:20:10 schroedinger's wiki Jun 24 20:20:21 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 Jun 24 20:20:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Sardine should probably be shut down now that sardine is gone Jun 24 20:21:00 GeneralAntilles: what was the other wiki page? Jun 24 20:21:25 ah, found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS Jun 24 20:21:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Upgrading_tablet_OS Jun 24 20:21:30 linux flasher; linux as in the host OS? Jun 24 20:21:37 yes Jun 24 20:21:57 so its not possible with windows? Jun 24 20:22:09 <_< Jun 24 20:22:30 kkrusty, http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS#Flashing_on_Windows Jun 24 20:22:41 The N810/N800 support page at nokia.com would've told you how. Jun 24 20:23:44 Upgrading_tablet_OS is the saner title, but Installation has more accurate info Jun 24 20:23:50 * mgedmin is trying to merge the two Jun 24 20:23:55 GeneralAntilles: thanks. Jun 24 20:24:18 mgedmin, they're both accurate Jun 24 20:24:30 Installing was just updated for Diablo for some reason. Jun 24 20:24:41 I meant more detailed Jun 24 20:24:45 I guess Jun 24 20:25:48 Personally, I'd just merge the Flashing Linux instructions from Installation over the Flashing on Linux instructions in Upgrading tablet OS Jun 24 20:27:16 waiting for wiki.maemo.org.... Jun 24 20:27:19 please be up... Jun 24 20:29:49 what! diablo released? When!!!!! Jun 24 20:30:06 This morning. . . . Jun 24 20:30:18 no party? Jun 24 20:30:30 sweet! Jun 24 20:30:47 * sidnei_ calls it a day and goes upgrade to diablo.... Jun 24 20:32:08 GeneralAntilles: oh really? Jun 24 20:32:20 What really? Jun 24 20:32:26 Diablo released Jun 24 20:32:30 definitely didn't know that Jun 24 20:32:31 /topic Jun 24 20:32:42 summatusmentis, what, have you not been on the internet all morning? Jun 24 20:33:37 ok, this has likely been asked dozens of times already, but does a flash whipe the internal flashram? Jun 24 20:33:46 "flashram"? Jun 24 20:33:53 erm Jun 24 20:33:57 the internal drive Jun 24 20:34:00 aquatix: yes, if you mean the 256 MB "hard disk", and no, if you mean the internal 2GB "flash card" Jun 24 20:34:01 meh Jun 24 20:34:04 a n810 has two, you see Jun 24 20:34:08 flash card Jun 24 20:34:17 GeneralAntilles: not really Jun 24 20:34:29 dang, i really should clear my mind in the evening :) Jun 24 20:34:29 coding Jun 24 20:34:53 the 256MB flash memory will be nuked of course, but i was wondering about the 2GB flash card Jun 24 20:35:01 too much flashing :) Jun 24 20:35:14 No, it doesn't touch the cards. Jun 24 20:35:15 bad for epileptics Jun 24 20:35:23 GeneralAntilles: k, thanks Jun 24 20:35:26 just making sure Jun 24 20:35:29 the 2GB flash card nukes itself automatically, without your express involvement Jun 24 20:35:32 at least mine does Jun 24 20:35:39 don't keep valuable data on it Jun 24 20:35:39 lol Jun 24 20:35:44 mgedmin: corruption? Jun 24 20:35:47 yes Jun 24 20:35:48 i've had that too Jun 24 20:35:58 not sure what caused it Jun 24 20:36:06 can you move valuble data off it onto your removible card? Jun 24 20:36:16 maybe i'll format it with another fs Jun 24 20:36:23 chur1: sure Jun 24 20:37:19 mgedmin: did you steal my lock? Jun 24 20:37:28 on the wiki? Jun 24 20:37:35 Jun 24 20:38:00 aquatix: thanks Jun 24 20:38:31 chur1: just copy with the file manager Jun 24 20:38:35 lbt: lock? Jun 24 20:38:36 or use the terminal Jun 24 20:38:42 didn't take nuthin' Jun 24 20:39:05 lbt: I'm trying to merge Installation and Upgrading_tablet_OS pages Jun 24 20:39:10 I was merging Upgrading_tablet_OS & Installation I guess Mediawiki doesn't lock the pages Jun 24 20:39:16 hahaha Jun 24 20:39:18 sorry :/ Jun 24 20:39:22 'sok Jun 24 20:39:30 I just blatted your changes :) Jun 24 20:39:33 I'll reapply them Jun 24 20:39:45 the bit about Diablo Extras doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the page... Jun 24 20:39:55 I was stuck trying to decide what to do about it Jun 24 20:40:02 no - but you'll need it when you upgrade... Jun 24 20:40:05 but now I don't have to, since I can leave the merging to you :-) Jun 24 20:40:11 and it's a short term hack... Jun 24 20:40:16 maybe add an "After the upgrade" section? Jun 24 20:40:26 also, mention the maemo extras being disabled bug and the workaround Jun 24 20:40:38 see http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html Jun 24 20:40:55 it has the link, since I don't remember the bug numbers Jun 24 20:41:38 still too bad to waste an uptime of 34 days to a flash update ;) Jun 24 20:42:30 yep - seems OK Jun 24 20:42:55 There must be a program to fake uptime :p Jun 24 20:43:51 qwerty12_N800: nah, that's no fun Jun 24 20:43:57 yeah, how else can there be windows servers with uptimes above 30 days Jun 24 20:44:08 qwerty12_N800: hm, i installed that new load applet, but it still acts the same Jun 24 20:44:09 * Jaffa despairs at the "diablo released" thread on ITT. Jun 24 20:44:15 unloaded and reloaded it Jun 24 20:44:18 I think I'm going to offline for the next 12 hours ;-) Jun 24 20:44:52 aquatix, time to lose the uptime ;). give it a reboot. Jun 24 20:45:05 qwerty12_N800: myeah, going to flash now anyway Jun 24 20:45:13 Jaffa, I couldn't get through it. Jun 24 20:45:41 so we do have to flash diablo, this last time Jun 24 20:45:54 any time afterwards, it'll be fine Jun 24 20:46:02 in theory Jun 24 20:46:04 Theoretically ;-) Jun 24 20:46:33 thats ze master plan, after world domination Jun 24 20:46:33 Am I the only one who does not like the default theme in Diablo? Jun 24 20:46:34 Even Ubuntu can't manage to get non-"flashing" updates completely right. Jun 24 20:46:40 I love it. Jun 24 20:46:52 * Jaffa wonders if there's anything FIASCO contained which has ever changed in the existence of Maemo which can't be upgraded in place? Jun 24 20:46:54 Compared to the themes from OS2005,6, and 7 it's absolutely fantastic. Jun 24 20:46:58 what? is the theme different from chinook? Jun 24 20:47:07 No. Jun 24 20:47:08 * Jaffa dittos mgedmin Jun 24 20:47:10 Just the background. Jun 24 20:47:16 RST38h, It's the same as chinook except swapped background. Jun 24 20:47:24 Oh, so it's still "echo" but with not the blue bubbles? Jun 24 20:47:31 the theme quality has improved very much Jun 24 20:47:32 It's got blue squiggles now. Jun 24 20:47:38 shiny Jun 24 20:47:43 qwerty: And I hate the background =0 Jun 24 20:48:03 Squiggles look like some book from 70s Jun 24 20:48:10 RST38h, The chinook one is still there :) Jun 24 20:48:49 Or pick a nice, new, non-abstract one from http://interfacelift.com/ Jun 24 20:49:08 Woo, Engadget picked up Diablo Jun 24 20:49:14 They picked the wrong screenshot, though. Jun 24 20:49:27 Interesting. Diablo image is about 20MB smaller than the chinook image Jun 24 20:49:36 yes Jun 24 20:49:44 it's the smallest OS2008 image Jun 24 20:49:45 qwerty: I know it is a stupid question but how do I change the background? Jun 24 20:49:51 lol Jun 24 20:49:54 now let's hope it's 20% [or more] faster :) Jun 24 20:49:55 RST: go home, open the menu, and look around Jun 24 20:49:55 RST38h, the menu from the desktop. Jun 24 20:50:06 RST38h: just right click the desktop Jun 24 20:50:08 duh ;) Jun 24 20:50:09 * RST38h is going to use the one from Ubuntu, made from elephant's ass Jun 24 20:50:10 * Jaffa is currently using http://bleb.org/software/maemo/background-n800.jpg as his background Jun 24 20:50:11 ... sounds like an adventure game Jun 24 20:50:19 aquatix <-- evil Jun 24 20:50:20 RST38h, on the desktop tap the word home Jun 24 20:50:23 Oh, btw, does the desktop introduce a "lock applets" mode? Jun 24 20:50:26 Jaffa, I recognize that. :P Jun 24 20:50:28 RST38h: i know Jun 24 20:50:31 I see it! Jun 24 20:50:34 RST38h: it's diablo day, duh ;) Jun 24 20:50:41 qwerty,mhedmin,GA: thanks! Jun 24 20:50:49 * aquatix makes some more backups Jun 24 20:50:52 GeneralAntilles: *cough* Jun 24 20:51:28 Zomg, we were all left below! Jun 24 20:51:30 Using this right now: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01602_sandringhambeach_800x480.jpg Jun 24 20:51:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation & http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS mered Jun 24 20:51:56 lbt, can I delete Installation? Jun 24 20:52:05 it's a proper redirect Jun 24 20:52:08 no need Jun 24 20:52:10 Oh Jun 24 20:52:13 Already dealt with Jun 24 20:52:14 Thanks. Jun 24 20:52:16 yay Jun 24 20:52:17 old links work Jun 24 20:53:27 * aquatix thinks it's cool how his n810 has a /cdrom Jun 24 20:53:56 GeneralAntilles: FWIW: http://wiki.maemo.org/Installation?redirect=no&action=edit Jun 24 20:55:26 Yeah, I see it. ;) Thanks! Jun 24 20:58:23 I just remembered something after reflashing Jun 24 20:58:33 what about all those packages? Jun 24 20:58:55 Did you make a backup? Jun 24 20:59:45 I didnt make one but that was intentional. Im wondering whether those packages will be available to be installed Jun 24 21:00:48 If you have the same repositories. Jun 24 21:01:46 timeless, ping Jun 24 21:05:39 hey.. im trying to use syncevolution Jun 24 21:05:49 kkrusty: the diablo repositories are mostly empty today, but you can continue to use chinook repositories Jun 24 21:05:53 most packages appear to work Jun 24 21:05:54 say, where are maemo's themes stored? Jun 24 21:05:54 some don't Jun 24 21:06:11 anyone can share a config ?... Jun 24 21:06:52 im getting this: http://pastebin.com/ma7cc007 Jun 24 21:06:54 mgedmin: good to hear Jun 24 21:07:11 Hmmm - Nokia announces plans to release Symbian over the next two years, under the "Eclipse" Public License Jun 24 21:07:36 what type should i use got gpe-calendar?... Jun 24 21:08:12 Jaffa: nice wallpaper you have Jun 24 21:08:40 konttori_, it's an old OS X wallpaper. ;) Jun 24 21:09:12 really? Yeah, I suppose so, with hue shift. nice anyway. Jun 24 21:16:37 dammit.. synevolution doesnt work.. :S Jun 24 21:16:55 anyone uses it, or synconizes gpe-calendar with an external syncML server? Jun 24 21:18:18 it isnstalls things in /usr/lib/syncevolution/ Jun 24 21:18:21 is that correct?... Jun 24 21:25:50 Im thinking that maemo repositories might be in heavy use right now Jun 24 21:26:01 hello world Jun 24 21:26:13 i'm looking for someone w/ 4.1 and a bit of time Jun 24 21:26:24 diablo? Jun 24 21:26:26 timeless: Do do what? Jun 24 21:26:28 How much time? Jun 24 21:26:44 you have 3 volunteers Jun 24 21:27:05 will there be cookies? Jun 24 21:27:45 will you take my n800 and give me an n810? Jun 24 21:28:02 timeless, what do you need? Jun 24 21:28:22 Well, Modest crashed. Only took 30 minutes or so Jun 24 21:28:25 In background mode. Jun 24 21:28:34 lol Jun 24 21:28:46 timeless's personal gopher squad Jun 24 21:28:52 Pfft Jun 24 21:29:16 nooe uses syncevolution?... Jun 24 21:29:19 noone Jun 24 21:29:29 how do you guys sync your gpe-calendar then?... Jun 24 21:29:31 I played with it, but I've never set it up Jun 24 21:29:35 load http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/feeds.opml Jun 24 21:29:45 what happens? Jun 24 21:30:02 sorry, distracted :( Jun 24 21:30:19 on the browser? Jun 24 21:30:42 yes Jun 24 21:30:44 k Jun 24 21:31:09 killfill: erming? Jun 24 21:31:12 timeless, oh yeah, do you do your testing with the svn on 4.1? Jun 24 21:31:20 kkrusty, its for google only... Jun 24 21:31:38 killfill: right Jun 24 21:31:44 just normal browser from 4.1 Jun 24 21:31:52 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/microb-test1.jpg Jun 24 21:31:58 timeless, oh, this is an unrelated question Jun 24 21:32:42 I've been trying to use the simple way of installing packages; running the .install files from maemo.org. And thats not working, any ideas? Jun 24 21:33:08 ok, it didn't change Jun 24 21:33:10 figures Jun 24 21:33:12 just checking Jun 24 21:33:34 * Navi shrugs Jun 24 21:33:51 lololololol Jun 24 21:34:04 I have two wifi applets in my statusbar Jun 24 21:34:19 Navi broke Diablo Jun 24 21:34:21 gj Navi Jun 24 21:34:26 Thanks! Jun 24 21:34:52 timeless, my text input bugs didn't get fixed, either. :( Jun 24 21:34:58 Damn, can I be bothered to unpack, and flash separately the FIASCO parts using 0xFFFF (on x86_64), or just wait and use Windows tomorrow Jun 24 21:35:06 GeneralAntilles, build teh svn dood Jun 24 21:35:29 You do it, Mr. I-actually-have-Scratchbox. Jun 24 21:35:41 but you're so leet Jun 24 21:35:47 you can compile using your mind Jun 24 21:37:11 That's the extent of your leetness Jun 24 21:37:12 so am I supposed to build with svn too? speaking of which, how do I get something built on scratchbox onto the n800? Jun 24 21:37:16 Hi, sjgadsby. Jun 24 21:37:55 Oh, that answers that: 0xFFFF latest version barfs on the diablo image. Jun 24 21:38:17 kkrusty, copy it over? Jun 24 21:38:38 Navi: really? I was expecting to have to build packages Jun 24 21:38:42 sorry, keep in mind that 23 is 2-3weeks ago Jun 24 21:38:46 Hey, GeneralAntilles. Jun 24 21:38:48 and the product was mostly burried a few months ago Jun 24 21:38:53 how is the {{Release history table}} mediawiki magic implemented? Jun 24 21:38:56 Navi: but that makes sense. Did I mention that I was extra slow today? Jun 24 21:38:58 timeless, latest SVN work on 4.1? Jun 24 21:38:58 it still claims diablo is in the future Jun 24 21:39:13 kkrusty, packages aren't a requirement, but it keeps things clean Jun 24 21:39:25 for me diablo is still not on maemo.org , it 's a kind of weird Jun 24 21:40:31 diablo is up and running \o/ Jun 24 21:40:38 mgedmin, it's a template Jun 24 21:40:45 i believe so Jun 24 21:40:45 Template:Release history table Jun 24 21:40:55 be sure to include all the pieces Jun 24 21:42:43 be careful about dependencies Jun 24 21:42:56 we're in the process of moving to some other packages which aren't in diablo core Jun 24 21:43:15 we may be internally hosting them, if we are, it's definitely possible to get your own versions Jun 24 21:43:55 qwerty12_N800: bugs are made high priority by internal email Jun 24 21:43:58 most people ignore bugmail Jun 24 21:44:05 timeless, are you talking to me? Jun 24 21:44:16 that said, i get to read the internal bug tracker starting in an hour or so Jun 24 21:44:16 timely, me? Jun 24 21:44:23 because my browser release notes are now overdue :( Jun 24 21:45:11 GeneralAntilles: you could only use stage if stage doesn't enforce it Jun 24 21:45:27 andre___: wrt browser, don't expect us to ship more often Jun 24 21:46:00 hm, maemo sites a bit overloaded? Jun 24 21:46:05 * aquatix tries to install some programs Jun 24 21:46:35 damn :) Jun 24 21:46:39 we're actively destablizing and not likely to be stable for a while Jun 24 21:46:45 timely: can you say anything about intent to release more frequent in-life upgrades using SSU? Or is it going to be primarily used to streamline the twice-yearly upgrade cycle? Jun 24 21:46:45 aquatix: you're installing it with those .install files? Jun 24 21:46:53 *it = them Jun 24 21:47:04 Jaffa: i certainly can't say anything publicly Jun 24 21:47:08 and i definitely don't know anything Jun 24 21:47:14 kkrusty: i was browsing the os2008 site, and clicked the link to fbreader's garage page Jun 24 21:47:15 i do know of one planned update Jun 24 21:47:17 but it loads now Jun 24 21:47:22 timely: one implies the other, certainly :-) Jun 24 21:47:32 kkrusty: and yes, with those .install files Jun 24 21:47:34 wrt browser, the fact is that anyone can build browser from svn and just play w/ it Jun 24 21:47:39 i expect some people will do that Jun 24 21:47:42 timely: aye Jun 24 21:47:44 aquatix: so how are you installing programs? Jun 24 21:47:46 but it can't find fbreader, so i'll wait for a diablo version Jun 24 21:47:51 like GeneralAntilles Jun 24 21:47:55 and i will try to take any bugs filed based on that and get them addressed asap Jun 24 21:47:58 kkrusty: clicking the Install now link :) Jun 24 21:47:59 He's totally going to build the SVN and play with it Jun 24 21:48:03 aquatix: righto. Thats what Im seeing Jun 24 21:48:08 Navi: Yeah, I heard that too. Jun 24 21:48:24 andre___: wrt 2765 you basically get to do two restores Jun 24 21:48:24 Nah, he can't build :P Jun 24 21:48:41 one to restore repos, then you enable extras, then you reinstall applications Jun 24 21:48:43 Tsk, there's a VMware image and everything. Jun 24 21:48:46 this was a documented bug many moons ago Jun 24 21:49:14 Hey, whenever I try to install an app using an install link I get an "Application not found error" -- I just flashed the device with Diablo. What gives? Jun 24 21:49:17 surely cs2005 toolchains exist for macs for cross compiling? Jun 24 21:49:30 Oooh, that reminds me: I've got a get-out clause when my mother-in-law arrives at the weekend: sticking vala, and a vala app in mud and then poking them into the extras-devel autobuilder. Jun 24 21:49:30 djsiegel: welcome to the club Jun 24 21:49:44 ok, glad to know it's not my fault :) Jun 24 21:49:53 or some sort of mummy's curse Jun 24 21:49:58 djsiegel: the repositories are empty now Jun 24 21:50:00 can someone test if http://feeds.feedburner.com/scienceblogs/wDAM works in the diablo feed reader? Jun 24 21:50:01 Jaffa, he always gets me to build stuff Jun 24 21:50:07 like I'm some whore or something Jun 24 21:50:11 The install files almost certainly don't specify the distribution. The 'diablo' extras are fairly empty; but 'chinook' is still full. Jun 24 21:50:13 djsiegel: It could be that. Are you wearing socks? Jun 24 21:50:21 mgedmin, that's what I suspected. Jun 24 21:50:34 kkrusty: negative Jun 24 21:50:35 Navi, whores build? Jun 24 21:50:38 Navi: well, I did you picture in a London phone box the other day on a little postcard. Jun 24 21:50:49 >_> Jun 24 21:51:09 qwerty12_N800, whores build for other people on demand Jun 24 21:51:16 so how about chinook repositories. How do we use them? Jun 24 21:51:24 Can you guys point me to some good maemo/n810 blogs? I've never felt like I've used it to near its fullest potential Jun 24 21:51:29 andre___: assuming you were the one posting about combining bugs.maemo+garage Jun 24 21:51:37 djsiegel: planet.maemo.org - all the good ones in one place Jun 24 21:51:43 i'm all in favor. i think we should probably use classifications to shield garage from main Jun 24 21:51:44 i was Jun 24 21:51:47 but that's a minor detail Jun 24 21:51:48 yupp Jun 24 21:51:50 kkrusty: there was stuff on the wiki page you were pointed to earlier IIRC Jun 24 21:52:00 And does anyone know what the ETA is on Diablo repos being populated? Jun 24 21:52:00 Jaffa: aah! sorry Jun 24 21:52:10 djsiegel: it's primarily up to the app authors. Jun 24 21:52:17 ugh, that's what I was about to ask Jun 24 21:52:42 oh well, I'm sure all the worthwhile apps will be repackaged soon Jun 24 21:53:05 Jaffa, find me a vmware that works on ppc. :P Jun 24 21:53:08 There's efforts underway to stick all the chinook apps through the diablo auto-builder, but... Jun 24 21:53:49 GeneralAntilles: Ah. Erm. Full-blown PC emulator, run Linux on it, run free VMware in that :-) Jun 24 21:53:54 Jaffa: did *all* the packages fail to build then? Jun 24 21:54:03 Veggen: did you find/file a bug about restoring "application categories"? Jun 24 21:54:05 if not, why is the diablo extras empty? Jun 24 21:54:21 mgedmin: don't think so, but they end up in extras-devel and need promoting AIUI. I was only tangentially following it, TBH Jun 24 21:54:26 Jaffa, :shudder: Jun 24 21:54:45 Meh, just compile a toolchain. Jun 24 21:54:49 oh, right, -devel Jun 24 21:54:53 Diablo-extras shouldn't be empty. Jun 24 21:54:53 but I have -devel Jun 24 21:55:05 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages is empty Jun 24 21:55:08 It had stuff in it weeks ago. Jun 24 21:55:19 * Jaffa thought that too Jun 24 21:56:44 Oh, btw, timely, your "Diablo will be released with the N810W" was total fail. :P Jun 24 21:56:57 No, it was a "if ..." wasn't it? Jun 24 21:57:20 * sp3000 tries to move the clock applet without starting the clock app Jun 24 21:57:32 I only fail one third of the time! Jun 24 21:57:36 lol Jun 24 21:57:41 It's second nature to me now. Jun 24 21:57:45 Just swoop in and keep moving. Jun 24 21:57:56 Applets on ice Jun 24 21:58:06 Don't tap and wait Jun 24 21:58:28 One fluid motion Jun 24 21:58:36 GeneralAntilles: what? you mean N810W wasn't released at the same time as Diablo? Jun 24 21:58:45 yeah, the part where it thinks that a longish press followed by drag is an attempt to open is pretty confused Jun 24 21:59:30 Ugh Jun 24 21:59:33 Still gotta update this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo Jun 24 21:59:37 Somebody want to do it for me? :P Jun 24 21:59:49 ooh, pretty colours Jun 24 21:59:59 update it how? Jun 24 22:00:48 Hello I could use some help setting up cpu-transparency on VMware for the N800. Jun 24 22:01:01 move it from future to past? Jun 24 22:01:05 The Diablo section has some inaccurate information and needs to be moved out of the "Future" section. Jun 24 22:01:12 Probably under OS2008 Jun 24 22:01:31 glass_: there's also Haiku Jun 24 22:01:56 * mgedmin too tired Jun 24 22:02:06 Sigh, I remember my BeOS days... Jun 24 22:02:26 hehe, with streamtuner it makes for a nice netradio ;) Jun 24 22:05:40 * sp3000 scratches head Jun 24 22:05:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#Diablo Jun 24 22:05:48 erg Jun 24 22:05:50 slow clipboard Jun 24 22:05:51 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=195261&postcount=199 Jun 24 22:06:04 is the preinstalled extras entry weird or is it supposed to work without the dist name? Jun 24 22:06:16 Blank dist defaults to current Jun 24 22:06:16 Jaffa: i take it i should be glad i don't read ITT :) Jun 24 22:06:28 So, "diablo" in this case. Jun 24 22:06:32 I suppose it could dream up a name there automatically if it's blank or something Jun 24 22:06:33 timely: oh, yes. Jun 24 22:06:36 ah, ok Jun 24 22:06:43 that does make sense :) Jun 24 22:06:49 ish Jun 24 22:07:00 Jaffa: afaik there's still no lock applets :) Jun 24 22:07:11 and from what i can tell, there are no plans for one Jun 24 22:07:25 Navi: pong Jun 24 22:07:55 timely: oh, FFS. I know ragnar was suggesting a better UI like auto-snapping dynamic grids; but "lock"'d probably do it IMHO Jun 24 22:09:55 GeneralAntilles: yeah well... i did say something about not wanting to make predictions Jun 24 22:10:12 i guess they had to stick w/ their 08H1 promise Jun 24 22:10:13 why not have lock *and* grids? Jun 24 22:10:55 * timely shrugs Jun 24 22:11:03 i just read and complain Jun 24 22:11:05 i can't influence Jun 24 22:11:27 RST38h: auto-snapping dynamic grids are fairly tricky to implement, compared with 'boolean is_locked' Jun 24 22:11:41 after flashing diablo, rhapsody install fails, saying that the "osso-ic" package is missing, is there a work-around to this? Jun 24 22:12:07 sully_: the image apparently has a broken apt database, and needs an apt-get -f install to fix (AIUI) Jun 24 22:12:34 Jaffa, sully_: I'm afraid that won't help Jun 24 22:13:02 it's just a side effect of that that you see three extra unsatisfied dependencies for every failed package install, *in addition to* the real library that's missing Jun 24 22:13:11 Jaffa: X=round((double)X/Step)*Step; ... Jun 24 22:13:14 now why can't i remove the Rhapsody menu item Jun 24 22:13:20 Jaffa: this easy. Jun 24 22:13:30 mgedmin: ah, ta Jun 24 22:13:32 whuh, now i can Jun 24 22:13:35 whatever Jun 24 22:13:56 mgedmin: thanks, is there anything I can do? Jun 24 22:14:22 RST38h: no, that's not a *dynamic* grid. The suggestion was for a grid which existed purely on the boundaries of existing applets x0,y0, x1,y1 - still not /really/ hard, but not trivial Jun 24 22:14:48 aquatix, nuke the .desktop Jun 24 22:14:53 same for Skype and Gizmo Jun 24 22:15:25 aquatix: iirc rhapsody is a package Jun 24 22:15:29 you should be able to uninstall it Jun 24 22:15:33 Jaffa: Ah, this requires making two lists Jun 24 22:15:39 a bit more difficult, yes Jun 24 22:15:43 timely: well, it's not in the appmanager Jun 24 22:15:56 and if i click the menu item, it asks to install it Jun 24 22:16:04 RST38h: And _iterating_ over them. Jun 24 22:16:10 aquatix: red pill Jun 24 22:16:41 sully_: no idea; never used rhapsody; don't care about it at all ever since I heard it was US-only Jun 24 22:17:16 timely, the package rhapsody-installer is depended on by osso-software-version. we all know what that means :/ Jun 24 22:17:59 derf: and what is wrong about iterating over two rather small lists? Jun 24 22:18:20 mgedmin: bummer, it was a big reason i like the device, didn't occur to me that it would not have been tested with virgin diablo install Jun 24 22:18:30 aquatix, /usr/share/applications/hildon Jun 24 22:18:48 I miss my mmpc somewhat Jun 24 22:18:49 RST38h: You'll need a temporary variable! It'll be at least _three_ lines of code each... Jun 24 22:18:51 sully_, phone Rhapsody support. Jun 24 22:18:53 it's also not installable on diablo Jun 24 22:19:10 derf: Oh, the horror! The suffering! Jun 24 22:19:31 timely: ah, thanks Jun 24 22:21:03 lol . . . <_< http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21233&page=21 Jun 24 22:21:06 Who wants to step in there? :P Jun 24 22:21:56 Entry/exit from Canola2 has become waaay too long in Diablo Jun 24 22:22:08 Canola literally starts for 2-4 minutes now Jun 24 22:22:44 Ugh, Application Menu is way buggy for some reason. :\ Jun 24 22:23:36 anyway, time to sleep Jun 24 22:23:42 gnite RST38h Jun 24 22:24:15 GeneralAntilles / X-Fade: who is responsible for the wildcard on maemo.org? Jun 24 22:24:20 you've still managed to mess up Jun 24 22:24:22 has the browser been improved on diablo? Jun 24 22:24:28 g'night Jun 24 22:24:28 you can't use *.maemo.org for maemo.org Jun 24 22:24:37 the * means there is exactly one host in that slot Jun 24 22:24:39 pupnik: Please, commit your stuff to extras, please.... Jun 24 22:24:43 g'night all Jun 24 22:24:51 Hey, pupnik_. Jun 24 22:24:57 hi GeneralAntilles Jun 24 22:25:04 timely, I don't have a damn thing to do with the hosting. :P Jun 24 22:25:16 GeneralAntilles: ok :) Jun 24 22:25:27 hmm, anyone else experiencing that the powerbutton menu relocates towards the lower right at times? Jun 24 22:25:47 * timely sighs and pulls out laptop to do work Jun 24 22:25:55 pupnik_, hey, ping and all that Jun 24 22:26:05 WTF Jun 24 22:26:10 Issued To Jun 24 22:26:14 Common Name (CN) * Jun 24 22:26:15 lcuk: hi Jun 24 22:26:18 ?#!#$@$ Jun 24 22:26:35 you in the pub again pupnik_ Jun 24 22:27:08 no back at home, paid off the isp bill Jun 24 22:27:47 is all sorted now? Jun 24 22:27:59 no still 46 eu behind :) Jun 24 22:28:08 you got paypal? Jun 24 22:28:28 yes, don't need charity tho :) Jun 24 22:28:37 ty Jun 24 22:29:09 i hope you've not stopped hacking gameswise Jun 24 22:29:26 dead stop on that Jun 24 22:29:57 boo Jun 24 22:30:57 hmm, it seems its not just the powerbutton dialog, but all dialogs in general... Jun 24 22:31:49 t_s_o, you haven't been reading my thread on matchbox "hacking"? Jun 24 22:32:03 probably not Jun 24 22:32:46 ah, one of the window manager tweaks can cause that to happen too. Jun 24 22:35:20 i dont know what have triggered it, and it seems quite random... Jun 24 22:36:52 had a bit of fun in the browser btw, the search dialog on the itt forum would vanish when the onscreen keyboard popped into view. and hitting the link to get the dialog back made the keyboard vanish... Jun 24 22:37:09 it was like being on one of those loney toon cartoons... Jun 24 22:57:13 andre___/timely, would osso-email work for the old email component? Jun 24 22:57:52 now *that's* a good idea Jun 24 22:58:04 lol Jun 24 22:58:40 ...but why am I still sitting in front of a computer? Hmm, I chat with too many people. :-D Jun 24 22:58:55 sleeeeeep Jun 24 22:59:03 * Jaffa is blaming Wikipedia Jun 24 22:59:36 * GeneralAntilles was momentarily hopeful that Jaffa was fixing up the ITOS article. Jun 24 22:59:42 Which _still_ needs a new name. <_< Jun 24 22:59:51 But one which isn't clear Jun 24 22:59:54 Maemo_releases? Jun 24 23:00:03 Maemo OS is my vote. :\ Jun 24 23:00:03 Hi Jun 24 23:00:09 Hey, Tama^2. Jun 24 23:00:17 Hi GA, long time no see Jun 24 23:00:21 With an introduction saying Nokia is the only organisation to have released any operating systems based on the Maemo platform. Jun 24 23:00:28 Quim didn't take the bait when it was discussed on the Branding talk page. :D Jun 24 23:00:39 installe diablo and the touch screen on my N800 now works like a charm Jun 24 23:00:50 GeneralAntilles: indeed Jun 24 23:01:01 :) Jun 24 23:01:19 He seemed to think I should name the article "OS2008" Jun 24 23:01:58 which article? Jun 24 23:02:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS Jun 24 23:02:42 oh that reminds me Jun 24 23:02:47 i need to fix koffice on ohloh Jun 24 23:02:57 Hrm, isn't MicroB at 1.0.4 or something now? Jun 24 23:03:22 The about: page needs to be updated Jun 24 23:04:25 Version: 1.0.4-60.9 according to "apt-cache show microb-engine" Jun 24 23:04:35 Is there a way to restart Maemo menus on the device (like af-sb-init.sh on scratchbox) ? Jun 24 23:04:41 GeneralAntilles: :P Jun 24 23:04:51 be back in... 7 hours Jun 24 23:05:02 OK then. Bye? :P Jun 24 23:05:25 PhosphoricX: why do you need to do that? Jun 24 23:05:34 * rm_you enjoys Diablo root-on-sd Jun 24 23:05:43 finally had room to install wesnoth :P Jun 24 23:05:49 timeless: Editing a .desktop file and I don't have CPU transparency working Jun 24 23:05:55 i think that if it dies it'll be resurrected Jun 24 23:07:41 timeless, should I file a bug to get the MicroB about: page updated? Jun 24 23:09:53 * GeneralAntilles wonders why e-m-o is especially underlined. http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_firebird8_2.png Jun 24 23:10:18 It's part of a cult. I read it in the Daily Mail. Jun 24 23:10:28 It was sent to me as a joke, unfortunately - they meant it seriously. Jun 24 23:10:45 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879 - hilarious stuff Jun 24 23:10:57 old. :P Jun 24 23:11:19 Indeed. I think I may have even posted it in here months ago Jun 24 23:12:22 Likely Jun 24 23:12:32 it's out of date?! Jun 24 23:12:33 gah Jun 24 23:12:36 yes please Jun 24 23:15:52 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3291 Jun 24 23:15:53 :o Jun 24 23:28:37 timeless: thanks for the suggestion, killing the process works fine Jun 24 23:34:50 * Jaffa beds. Jun 25 00:10:28 lol Jun 25 00:10:42 My Application Menu is very broken. :\ Jun 25 00:11:49 GeneralAntilles, do you know what broke it? Jun 25 00:11:59 Seemed to happen after I installed XChat Jun 25 00:12:01 but dunno Jun 25 00:12:04 it's not official is it? Jun 25 00:12:59 only for certain values of it Jun 25 00:26:38 Reboot seems to have cleared it up Jun 25 00:26:41 we'll see if it sticks. Jun 25 00:40:35 can someone tell me why a logo wouldn't appear ? Jun 25 00:40:44 oops Jun 25 00:49:56 alright, is there a way to backup all of my settings and installed apps, and install Diablo to my internal card? Jun 25 00:50:17 "all settings" u,m... Jun 25 00:50:19 "rsync" Jun 25 00:50:30 but yes, you can install to an sdcard if you like Jun 25 00:50:34 summatusmentis, use milhouse's cloning script? Jun 25 00:50:47 I'm currently running my rootfs on my internal sd card Jun 25 00:50:49 and the internal card shouldn't be any more or less special Jun 25 00:50:54 GeneralAntilles: there's such a thing? Jun 25 00:51:01 Google it Jun 25 00:51:05 there's a thread on itT. Jun 25 00:52:00 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631 Jun 25 00:52:07 oof, I forgot about size of these images Jun 25 01:09:57 * lcuk smiles at nothing in particular Jun 25 01:11:07 Wipe that smile off your face! Jun 25 01:11:48 why, ive just had the biggest compliment i think ive ever had :) Jun 25 01:12:23 what was the compliment? Jun 25 01:12:52 "your internet tablet is so biiiiiig" Jun 25 01:12:56 xD Jun 25 01:13:31 Linus Torvalds called him personally, said he saw the liqbase video, decided it was cool Jun 25 01:13:45 (then requested it to be released, so others could play) Jun 25 01:13:47 >_> Jun 25 01:17:28 http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk Jun 25 01:17:44 there is a playtest there Jun 25 01:18:11 !!!!!!! Jun 25 01:18:21 :-D Jun 25 01:19:40 extract the whole folder somewhere and run. Jun 25 01:20:02 You'll need root privileges in order to change res and CPU settings Jun 25 01:20:13 and obviously, you need write rights to /home/user/* Jun 25 01:20:13 its noted on the page crash Jun 25 01:20:27 that sounds liek the voice of reason Jun 25 01:20:39 or experience rather Jun 25 01:21:08 bleh, and I was proud of having the exclusivity Jun 25 01:21:25 you said what i needed to hear :) thanks Jun 25 01:21:46 Microb no longer depends on Matchbox in Diablo!! Jun 25 01:21:56 thats awesome Jun 25 01:21:58 oh shit yer, diablo today as well Jun 25 01:22:23 lcuk, don't know what it is I said, but... you're welcome, I guess :) Jun 25 01:22:29 * summatusmentis is still downloading it now Jun 25 01:22:37 lol :P Jun 25 01:22:37 thanks for your help the other day lcuk Jun 25 01:22:52 I downloaded the flash image in under 30 seconds :P Jun 25 01:23:09 penguinbait, what didn't i break? Jun 25 01:23:10 I'm on shitty 256k dsl Jun 25 01:23:29 20 minutes remaining Jun 25 01:23:39 lol Jun 25 01:43:09 hey guys Jun 25 01:43:19 rm_you: net's flaky Jun 25 01:43:31 I need suggestions for what cellphone to buy for my mother <_< Jun 25 01:43:34 can someone tell me if http://mldonkey.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/skins/common/images/wiki.png is a stock logo or is part of that specific wiki Jun 25 01:43:43 iPhone 2 :) Jun 25 01:43:47 lol Jun 25 01:43:52 i think that would be a bit too complicated Jun 25 01:43:59 plus i'd have to jailbreak it for her <_< Jun 25 01:44:03 why? Jun 25 01:44:05 rm_you, dont ask for source. http://liquid.googlepages.com/lcuk Jun 25 01:44:07 tmOBILE Jun 25 01:44:11 *TMobile Jun 25 01:44:11 oh Jun 25 01:44:15 well um... Jun 25 01:44:20 lcuk: source? >_> Jun 25 01:44:55 lcuk: eventually, right? :P Jun 25 01:45:12 lcuk: maybe later you can give me just the source for the ebook part? :) Jun 25 01:46:16 that doesnt sound unreasonable Jun 25 01:46:26 yeah this may not be the best channel to ask for a SIMPLE to use mobilephone :P IE, not a smartphone Jun 25 01:46:30 lcuk: :) Jun 25 01:47:01 seriously lol Jun 25 01:47:24 rm_you, Samsung has that old person's phone Jun 25 01:47:26 buy her that. Jun 25 01:47:39 i never use my phone for much more than text messaging and evdo, and even then its a centro Jun 25 01:48:08 or the little kids phone, can call 3 numbers and 911 Jun 25 01:48:20 lol Jun 25 01:48:47 http://www.jitterbug.com Jun 25 01:48:55 High-larious Jun 25 01:49:23 i saw an ad for that in the post Jun 25 01:50:55 hrm Jun 25 01:52:09 the verizon zv1 is decent. big buttons and rugged Jun 25 02:00:58 So I have 2 questions, wondering if you guys might be able to help me out. Jun 25 02:01:19 1: Is it the audio jack itself that sucks? Or do all of the audio apps output crappy? Jun 25 02:01:37 rm_you, whats up Jun 25 02:02:02 2: I live in central Ohio. I don't have a GPS device, and I do have the n800. What are my best options as far as a mapping program, and then getting the maps for at the very least Ohio (but I'd prefer not to have the entire east coast, that's just a waste of space) Jun 25 02:02:27 Any suggestions or answers are greatly appreciated. Really good ones get cookies :D Jun 25 02:03:36 maemo-mapper for the maps Jun 25 02:03:47 you can download specified regions Jun 25 02:03:59 I thought it was maemo-mapper, but I couldn't remember Jun 25 02:04:10 And as far as I could tell I could only download east coast US, 700MB Jun 25 02:04:19 I'd prefer just Ohio, or at best that region Jun 25 02:04:27 dmsuperman, with the earphones, randomly try pressing the mic button when your playing music Jun 25 02:04:29 what happens Jun 25 02:04:39 I'd even be fine with a really detail Columbus Jun 25 02:04:42 I'll give it a try, sec. Jun 25 02:05:18 The East Coast thing is "Map" Jun 25 02:06:27 lcuk, hrm...where is the mic button at? Jun 25 02:07:18 on the nokia headphones in the middle Jun 25 02:07:21 along the cable Jun 25 02:07:38 nothing happens when i press it Jun 25 02:08:13 i have os2008, if that matters Jun 25 02:08:36 and i've noticed the issue in the audio jack itself...headphone independent Jun 25 02:08:39 no, on mine the volume changes from crappeh to ok Jun 25 02:09:01 it might have been misaligned i only ever tried it once and never bothered since Jun 25 02:09:03 when i press it it wakes the n800 up if the screen is dimmed Jun 25 02:09:06 but i didn't noticed any difference Jun 25 02:09:31 notice* Jun 25 02:11:02 I don't think I ever used the Nokia headphones Jun 25 02:11:21 it's not the head phones Jun 25 02:11:26 anything i plug into the jack sounds bad Jun 25 02:12:09 my SHURE headphones sound pretty awesome, no problem whatsoever Jun 25 02:12:28 i dunno Jun 25 02:12:32 it sounds a bit staticky Jun 25 02:12:51 Is it in all the way? Jun 25 02:12:56 for instance plugging the same set of headphones into my iPod, playing the same music, the iPod has much better audio quality Jun 25 02:13:02 yeah, it's in all the way Jun 25 02:13:15 it does take a bit of effort to get it in all the way Jun 25 02:14:51 you might want to have that checked Jun 25 02:14:53 got warranty ? Jun 25 02:14:53 the sound is pretty bad, but in some cases it does improve if you set all but one volume control to maximum Jun 25 02:15:19 i set all the volumes to max and it's bad Jun 25 02:15:32 what i end up doing to make it bearable is lower the master volume on the n800 Jun 25 02:15:41 then amplify using the headphones Jun 25 02:15:50 i lose bass, but i also lose static Jun 25 02:16:32 meh Jun 25 02:16:35 never had that issue Jun 25 02:16:48 So what's the cheapest solution to adding GPS to the n800? Jun 25 02:17:43 Don't go for cheapest Jun 25 02:17:45 Just get a decent one Jun 25 02:17:49 i-blue 737 Jun 25 02:17:54 or one of the MTK-based Holuxes Jun 25 02:18:19 Look at Stars makes me lol Jun 25 02:18:23 I could look at these all day Jun 25 02:18:25 alright, what's the cheapest way to get decent GPS Jun 25 02:18:48 i-blue or Holux Jun 25 02:18:49 ~$50 Jun 25 02:18:50 * infobot takes the cash and sucks generalantilles off Jun 25 02:18:57 I don't need anything fancy, I don't mind if it's slow or whatever. I just want to be able to navigate around columbus Jun 25 02:18:58 ... Jun 25 02:19:00 Alright-y then Jun 25 02:19:03 haha Jun 25 02:19:08 Hrm Jun 25 02:19:10 so where might those be for sale at? Jun 25 02:19:11 ~$100 Jun 25 02:19:11 * infobot gives generalantilles full service! Jun 25 02:19:15 Ha! Jun 25 02:19:22 amazon.com or newegg.com Jun 25 02:20:14 oh Jun 25 02:20:33 so do the device screens serve any purpose? Jun 25 02:20:44 or would i just be getting the device to send gps data to n800 Jun 25 02:20:55 They don't have screens Jun 25 02:21:00 They're just Bluetooth GPS receivers Jun 25 02:21:10 newegg search for holux turns up 2 devices Jun 25 02:21:10 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16858721001 Jun 25 02:21:12 that's one Jun 25 02:21:15 the other also has a screen Jun 25 02:21:22 i-blue is 0 results Jun 25 02:22:13 nvm, amazon has results Jun 25 02:22:26 http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1214360523&sr=8-2 Jun 25 02:22:51 that's cheap Jun 25 02:22:59 why is the n800's gps kit so expensive? Jun 25 02:23:46 Because Nokia overcharges for their GPS receiver Jun 25 02:23:55 and it includes a ~$130 license for Wayfinder Jun 25 02:24:09 oh Jun 25 02:24:23 Which isn't exactly expensive for 3 year service Jun 25 02:24:42 so as long as I use maemo-mapper, I'm not losing any real functionality to the navigation kit? Jun 25 02:24:49 No Jun 25 02:24:58 I use both Jun 25 02:25:02 The i-blue/Holux receivers are way better than the Nokia one anyway Jun 25 02:25:12 crashanddie why both? Jun 25 02:25:18 Offline routing Jun 25 02:25:37 Maemo mapper for when I'm hiking, just want accurate satellite maps of the area I'm in Jun 25 02:25:50 WayFinder for when I'm in the car Jun 25 02:26:23 so what does WayFinder offer that you can't achieve by just downloading the maps? Jun 25 02:26:34 Be really badass if wayfinder could actually stack up against a Garmin. Jun 25 02:26:35 "turn left" Jun 25 02:26:44 GAN800, word Jun 25 02:26:58 Actually, no, that would be orgasmic. Jun 25 02:27:21 heh Jun 25 02:27:36 maemo mapper doesn't offer turn by turn? is it a planned feature? Jun 25 02:27:47 dmsuperman, it supports it Jun 25 02:27:49 I've got a Nuvi for travelling. Greatest thing in the world. Jun 25 02:28:01 dmsuperman, but you need to be online to get the route calculated Jun 25 02:28:11 The issue is getting the turn-by-turn data. Jun 25 02:28:18 crashanddie, oh. makes sense Jun 25 02:28:31 thinking about it, calculating a route would be pretty heavy Jun 25 02:28:34 and Marvin isn't the easiest voice to understand. Jun 25 02:28:46 knight rider GPS FTW! Jun 25 02:29:20 http://gizmodo.com/5019065/hands+on-knight-rider-gps-verdict-its-kittastic Jun 25 02:29:54 "Hello Michael, please don't get in a fight today, as I'm not yet connected to the mechanical parts of myself, so I will not be able to save your ass" Jun 25 02:30:19 "Thanks Kitt ! Now let's go to Twitter Ave" Jun 25 02:30:44 So, for somebody like me who doesn't need turn-by-turn...the best solution is just to get that i-blue reciever and download the maps for my area? Jun 25 02:30:47 I'd rather watch Hulk reruns. Jun 25 02:30:54 Bingo Jun 25 02:31:28 dmsuperman, sure Jun 25 02:31:35 awesome Jun 25 02:31:41 i love this device even more every time i use it Jun 25 02:31:45 dmsuperman, also, notice that Wayfinder does work without the subscription Jun 25 02:31:50 I got a bluetooth keyboard Jun 25 02:32:00 dmsuperman, only, it "only" shows where you are, but you can still lookup addresses and stuff Jun 25 02:32:22 alright Jun 25 02:32:31 i want to avoid subscriptions while i can Jun 25 02:32:39 tuition tends to drain my monthly income Jun 25 02:35:55 dmsuperman, I think the combination of both really works out well Jun 25 02:36:31 Wish they would get around to updating the maps. . . . Jun 25 02:37:37 so if i just wnat to navigate around columbus, I set the topleft and bottom right corners to just outisde of them. which levels of details should I probably get? Jun 25 02:38:31 Down to 4-5 Jun 25 02:38:35 Depends on what you want to do Jun 25 02:38:41 But I never go under 4 Jun 25 02:38:49 I think I have 4-6-10 Jun 25 02:39:08 5 says it will be up to 1.3GB Jun 25 02:39:12 7 says 82mb Jun 25 02:39:25 does that mean I lose access to roads? Jun 25 02:39:36 Well fook Jun 25 02:39:41 no, it's just the quality of the picture Jun 25 02:39:56 psh Jun 25 02:40:00 well, bed for me Jun 25 02:40:02 i don't care about quality Jun 25 02:40:05 level 20 detail! Jun 25 02:40:21 dmsuperman, lvl 20 would give you the map of the earth Jun 25 02:40:53 but with a higher numbered level of detail, I can still see smaller roads? Jun 25 02:41:04 There's a threshold Jun 25 02:41:07 Zoom around a bit Jun 25 02:41:12 Between level 6 and 9 is appropriate Jun 25 02:41:12 see what works for you before you download. Jun 25 02:41:19 For GPS usage Jun 25 02:41:26 how can I test it before I download it? Jun 25 02:41:30 how do I knkow which zoom level I'm at? Jun 25 02:41:39 It will tell you on-screen if you have that enabled Jun 25 02:41:39 It says in the upper right Jun 25 02:41:39 right now i'm downloading level 8, and i'm gonna play with it Jun 25 02:41:42 because it's only 5mb Jun 25 02:41:51 alright Jun 25 02:41:51 You can auto-download. Jun 25 02:42:04 Read the help, too. ;) Jun 25 02:42:21 yeah, planned on doing that later ;) :P Jun 25 02:43:24 is there a way to see it in map view rather than satellite picture view? Jun 25 02:44:10 Yes, change the map repository Jun 25 02:44:14 ah Jun 25 02:44:19 i was using google satelite Jun 25 02:44:26 is there a suggested repo? Jun 25 02:44:32 I prefer Google Street Jun 25 02:45:04 gnite everyone, jakes back up :S Jun 25 02:48:39 gnight lcuk Jun 25 02:56:10 shit Jun 25 02:56:12 5 am Jun 25 02:56:19 I have to be at a meeting tomorrow at 8 Jun 25 02:56:21 well Jun 25 02:56:30 not exactly tomorrow anymore, is it, eh ? Jun 25 02:56:32 cheers, bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 25 02:59:57 2008