**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 30 02:59:56 2008 Jun 30 04:09:09 one dead n800. Jun 30 04:09:20 terbo, what happened to it? Jun 30 04:09:36 * terbo ? Jun 30 04:09:48 what made it a dead n800? Jun 30 04:09:56 a flashing is whats happening to it .. besides that, nothing out of the ordinary ... Jun 30 04:10:05 * terbo is puzzled. Jun 30 04:10:09 Is it charged? Jun 30 04:10:38 well... i was preparing to flash diablo. cleared a card, was going to partition it in case i had some of the problems described. Jun 30 04:10:42 ah, well you said "one dead n800"...I was just curious Jun 30 04:11:04 first, it stopped reaching a full battery. just kept charging. thought .. Jun 30 04:11:31 still booted. then i removed the swap, had /var/cache/apt linked to the card, removed that directory, still worked fine .. Jun 30 04:12:15 then just as i go to partition the card, get a few white screens. now its just reboot-looping with no cards in it, cards in it, battery left out for a bit ... all (most) data backed up .. Jun 30 04:13:39 now when i plug in the a/c instead of going 'charging' (this is the last 2008) it shows the battery icon, then proceeds to boot. loop . . Jun 30 04:13:55 :D fun. Jun 30 04:14:04 That's not "dead" Jun 30 04:14:14 deader than i should have :( Jun 30 04:14:37 sometimes the blue bar goes about 1/5 the way then loops. Jun 30 04:14:49 shrug, im going to flash it anyway .. Jun 30 04:16:19 GeneralAntilles: do you think there is some way to get it to boot? Jun 30 04:16:34 were you booting from SD? Jun 30 04:16:43 no. Jun 30 04:19:05 has anyone had any luck with an sis usb vga dongle connection? Jun 30 04:19:39 Works fine here, dyrge. Jun 30 04:19:46 The software isn't really up to speed yet, though. Jun 30 04:20:12 what external resolutions does it support? Jun 30 04:22:16 i found software not up to speed on more than one occasion Jun 30 04:23:28 not to say i do not enjoy the software that works well on the platform Jun 30 04:25:35 yup, that's a side effect of the "release early, release often" mentality Jun 30 04:25:36 dyrge, it's very beta Jun 30 04:25:44 You have to invoke it from the commandline Jun 30 04:25:54 most things up to 1280x1024 Jun 30 04:26:27 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=175561 Jun 30 04:26:29 cool and it requires you to be in host mode i would suspect? Jun 30 04:26:35 Right Jun 30 04:26:37 thx Jun 30 04:27:26 * johnx makes a mental note to check out xpra (screen for X11) again later: http://partiwm.org/browser/README.xpra Jun 30 04:32:59 i read a few weeks ago about NOKIA wanting developers to write programs geared more toward enterprise and business Jun 30 04:33:18 "NOKIA"? Jun 30 04:33:32 Is that like "APPLE" and "MICROSOFT"? Jun 30 04:33:38 yes for the tablet market in general Jun 30 04:35:06 He's asking about your use of all caps in Nokia, I think. Jun 30 04:35:44 sorry bout those Jun 30 04:36:18 NOKIA ALWAYS NEEDS ALL CAPS Jun 30 04:36:37 I don't mind. Jun 30 04:36:56 L3375P34K 700, N0K14!!! Jun 30 04:37:09 *cough* Jun 30 04:37:25 * GeneralAntilles puts a cap in Proteous's ass. Jun 30 04:37:54 i guess it just of interest to me since my employer purchased my N810 Jun 30 04:39:50 Ah. I'd really like to see stronger and more full-featured PIM apps. Jun 30 04:40:36 it fills my heart with joy knowing i am using a linux based device to support windows Jun 30 04:41:38 pim tools and and open office would be great Jun 30 04:43:06 i deal with most of that through remote sessions but would love to have something running native Jun 30 04:43:59 I think it might choke on full-fledged OOo, but Abiword should be enough in the meantime before a mobile version is developed and ported. Jun 30 04:44:57 anyone else use a tablet in their workplace? Jun 30 04:45:34 well a .doc viewer would be beautiful at the least Jun 30 04:45:40 I do. Jun 30 04:46:50 i support about 500 pc's with mine Jun 30 04:47:05 Wow. Jun 30 04:47:13 with help from remote sesions ofcourse Jun 30 04:48:00 but if you have to support a windows machine VNC will be your best friend Jun 30 04:49:46 it's pretty slick to show someone an entire windows desktop at 800 x 480 on my 810 Jun 30 04:50:08 I'm just beginning to learn VNC & SSH, and have found the wiki tutorials very outdated Jun 30 04:50:32 do you have to work with windows much Jun 30 04:50:39 Which wiki? Jun 30 04:51:29 General: I'll check. Jun 30 04:52:09 Dyrge: Quite a lot, unfortunately. Jun 30 04:52:12 most all i needed to know was on itt and the vnc part is painless Jun 30 04:52:26 tell you what i did Jun 30 04:53:56 to keep from messing up my main xp machine I created a Virtual PC with XP and VNC any other programs i need and size the desktop to 800x480 it's a perfect fit when you remote in Jun 30 04:54:48 if you have enough RAM and a spare xp Key to for the host machine Jun 30 04:55:04 dyrge: what of rdesktop? Jun 30 04:55:13 General: The SSH article I found was for the 770. Jun 30 04:55:23 m_mouser, what wiki? ;) Jun 30 04:55:26 There are 3 Jun 30 04:55:28 itT Jun 30 04:55:29 old maemo.org Jun 30 04:55:32 and new maemo.org Jun 30 04:55:35 itT pretty much sucks Jun 30 04:55:39 old maemo.org is, well, old Jun 30 04:55:42 new maemo.org is the future Jun 30 04:55:43 https://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page Jun 30 04:55:44 nope just ultra VNC with the VNC viewer any VNC server will work Jun 30 04:56:23 I liked rdesktop better, automatic scaling, but without a keyboard (n800) it wasn't as functional as vnc Jun 30 04:56:25 rdesktop doesn't work well on my network Jun 30 04:56:39 oh, why not? Jun 30 04:57:27 no idea i can use windows to remote but on the 810 it dies 90% of the time and if it logs it i do not know where Jun 30 04:57:56 at home on my workgroup rdesktop works everytime Jun 30 04:57:57 General: it was probably from ITT. Jun 30 04:58:36 it maybe something with the domain Jun 30 04:59:26 but probably it's the wireless management device Jun 30 05:00:28 we packet shape and packet filter Jun 30 05:00:39 ah. Jun 30 05:01:11 i try to connect on the windows rdesktop port Jun 30 05:01:30 it says "No Way" Jun 30 05:01:55 so you create an 800x400 windows desktop to connect to? how was that again? Jun 30 05:02:17 download virtual pc 2007 Jun 30 05:02:26 it's free install xp Jun 30 05:03:12 then VNC server , resize it to 800 x 480 and it fits perfect Jun 30 05:03:18 cool. Jun 30 05:03:27 or use it as an alternate input device. ;) Jun 30 05:04:25 it's nice to use office on the go but the office button in 2007 doesn't work so consider 2003 Jun 30 05:05:59 i wish i had the talent to port somethings over to OS2008 Jun 30 05:07:09 like what? Jun 30 05:07:34 something that opens .doc would be great Jun 30 05:07:43 ! Jun 30 05:07:48 * doc|home likes not being open :( Jun 30 05:08:01 luls Jun 30 05:08:04 to edit or to view? Jun 30 05:08:05 * Navi opens doc|home Jun 30 05:08:32 * doc|home deads Jun 30 05:09:12 well you know they all have to use windows so Office goes hand in hand Jun 30 05:09:37 * terbo has had the problem once, and just converted to html, maybe even pdf Jun 30 05:10:11 that works but i get lots of attachments in my email Jun 30 05:10:36 guess what file format they use Jun 30 05:10:43 not RTF Jun 30 05:10:55 hmm... tiff? lol Jun 30 05:11:22 docx most of the time Jun 30 05:11:22 google docs works fine Jun 30 05:12:03 wait a minute, isn't there an abiword port for maemo? Jun 30 05:12:13 that should open .docs Jun 30 05:12:34 i haven't found one Jun 30 05:12:37 There is, but it's still in beta. Jun 30 05:12:58 You're more than welcome to compile the svn. Jun 30 05:13:51 i am a hardware/software support guy i need to be friend a few people who can complie things..:) Jun 30 05:14:06 er compile Jun 30 05:14:56 * doc|home hasn't compiled for maemo :/ Jun 30 05:15:10 i have had classes and such but have found i do not have a knack for code Jun 30 05:15:35 i can google it to death though Jun 30 05:15:58 hehe, it takes an idea and some time Jun 30 05:16:08 motivation to solve a problem is all you need :) Jun 30 05:16:36 i solve things out of necessity mostly and pure luck at times Jun 30 05:16:52 * terbo was going to flash diablo .. but got caught up into reading about scratchbox Jun 30 05:17:07 Gross Jun 30 05:17:08 dockx Jun 30 05:17:10 er Jun 30 05:17:13 docx Jun 30 05:17:32 it breaks up into xml at least Jun 30 05:17:43 nothing like .doc Jun 30 05:18:33 supporting windows pay the bills buys mygadgets and feeds my family so i can't complain Jun 30 05:19:14 but i am a true fan of open source at heart Jun 30 05:19:24 just don't tell my boss Jun 30 05:23:11 well i need to go work awaits me tomorrow nice chatting with you all Jun 30 05:24:42 compiling is not coding. ;) Jun 30 05:25:03 make install -> small script. ;0 Jun 30 05:26:48 boo, all Jun 30 05:27:18 boo, you Jun 30 05:35:16 GAN: Did you have browserd hang in memory eating 11-18MB AFTER you quit all MicroB windows? Jun 30 05:36:24 Probably Jun 30 05:36:39 I'm guessing the changelog may reveal more. Jun 30 05:43:23 * RST38h has not found anything about this misfeature in the changelog Jun 30 05:44:05 There is no changelog yet. Jun 30 05:44:07 Browserd *is* being described as the resident part of MicroB but it is not clear why it stays in memory when microb is not running Jun 30 05:44:20 There was a comment on what browserd does Jun 30 05:44:42 I manages microb windows Jun 30 05:45:40 s/I/It/ Jun 30 05:45:40 GAN800 meant: It manages microb windows Jun 30 05:48:06 GAN: Not exactly. Let us see what dpkg --status says: Jun 30 05:48:21 Description: Network server exposing web engines functionaly using dbus-glib bindings Jun 30 05:48:29 This package contains server which allows its clients Jun 30 05:48:29 to create, manipulate and access functionality of Jun 30 05:48:29 different web engines. Jun 30 05:48:29 This enables creation of ultra-light-weight browser UIs Jun 30 05:48:29 which act as a mere 'shell' to a heavy-weight browser Jun 30 05:48:30 engines and therefore greatly less dependent on them. Jun 30 05:48:32 The server uses dbus-glib bindings for connectivity. Jun 30 05:49:40 Now I see why it would linger in memory: afaik there is no way to explicitely make dbus service close after use Jun 30 06:02:09 i know it's possible for my nokia 770 to control my pc via VNC, but can i do it vice versa? (control my 770 with a VNC?) Jun 30 06:02:55 try synergy, if its control you want, though if you want to log in, there is an x11vnc server somewhere Jun 30 06:19:30 * terbo squiggles Jun 30 06:32:33 geeks.com has a bluetooth german layout keyboard for $6.00. Bought one, gonna see if I can hack it into an old NES controller to play emulated games on my n810 Jun 30 06:36:19 * terbo ? Jun 30 06:36:31 :) Jun 30 06:37:19 * terbo wonders if 770's have u.fl connectors somewhere ... Jun 30 06:40:30 german keyboard for $6USD? put into a nes controller? hope you document it if its successful ;) Jun 30 06:41:08 I'll take pictures Jun 30 06:41:19 well, we will see if it even works Jun 30 06:41:27 I don't know how big the board in the keyboard are yet Jun 30 06:41:46 * terbo goes to hop on geeks Jun 30 06:42:48 * terbo is lovin the $60 16gb sdhc Jun 30 06:45:35 wow, thats rad, and the only blue keyboard i see there Jun 30 07:02:03 erm... ¿how can I transfer my old email to modest? I'm googling up and down and I can't find a simple way (and modest doesn't know about importing, it seems= Jun 30 07:02:30 gomiam: don't, use claws, modest = ass Jun 30 07:03:19 doc|home: mmm... yet another mail client? Jun 30 07:03:37 gomiam: yep, better than modest though Jun 30 07:03:38 does claws have a way to store mails on the memory cards? Jun 30 07:03:43 gomiam: yep Jun 30 07:03:51 it has imap and pop Jun 30 07:04:06 ok, I guess I'll have to take a look at it Jun 30 07:07:24 fortunately, I have no critical mail on modest right now. Jun 30 07:11:03 gomiam: you shouldnt, ever :) Jun 30 07:11:24 XD Jun 30 07:11:36 you should be using imap and have your mails backed up by your isp Jun 30 07:11:50 or whoever provides you the email service Jun 30 07:12:21 I have had little problem with the standard Maemo mail client, since I use it mostly por emergency mail reading. Jun 30 07:12:48 that's why I didn't want to bother replacing modest with anything. Jun 30 07:49:52 god .... *still* downloading scratchbox Jun 30 07:50:40 terbo: don't worry. It will fail at 87% Jun 30 07:50:41 XD Jun 30 07:51:45 :) thanks, I was just going to try some make install scripting, anyway Jun 30 07:51:54 err, cooding Jun 30 07:52:54 terbo: install scripting? Jun 30 07:53:06 * terbo make install joke Jun 30 07:53:15 no just gonna try some custom kernel stuff. Jun 30 07:58:01 specifically, I want to put my name in the version string. :D Jun 30 08:00:07 you can pay me 5 euro to do that if you want Jun 30 08:00:51 EXTRAVERSION = .4-david Jun 30 08:01:13 l33t hack Jun 30 08:02:00 err, how about you can pay me 10US to not laugh at you? :) Jun 30 08:02:20 or we can just pay each other Jun 30 08:02:21 that is ony 6 euro :p Jun 30 08:02:33 dang non exporting economies. :/ Jun 30 08:02:38 dang having only one usb port :/ Jun 30 08:02:58 or $300 Jun 30 08:24:33 morning Jun 30 08:31:04 hello hrw Jun 30 08:34:03 who use adv-backlight applet? Jun 30 08:34:10 I do. Jun 30 08:34:18 Me too. Jun 30 08:34:52 andre___, poke. Jun 30 08:34:55 Me Jun 30 08:36:34 one thing then... do you think that applet 'window' should close when tapped outside of it? Jun 30 08:37:10 Of course. Jun 30 08:37:25 You want to figure out exactly how Nokia makes their applets work, hrw? ;) Jun 30 08:39:54 GeneralAntilles: ;) Jun 30 08:40:18 ~curse 1Mbit connections Jun 30 08:40:18 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, 1Mbit connections ! Jun 30 08:40:52 hrw: fwiw, i like pop-upped applets closing when tapping outside of it Jun 30 08:41:00 hrw, as it stands, adv-backlight is using something of a hack and the Nokia applets are using something more of a hack. Jun 30 08:41:30 The result being that the current implementation for adv-backlight kinda sucks and rm_you's been unable to figure out exactly how Nokia goes about making their applets work the way they do. Jun 30 08:41:42 btw. does pidgin crash on your diablo quite frequently? Jun 30 08:42:00 especially when accepting (or even having pending) buddy requests Jun 30 08:43:19 X-Fade, can you poke somebody about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3341 and maybe https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3342 ? Quim requested it. Jun 30 08:43:30 hehe, seems like a way to lick new owners ass http://plazes.com/groups/1226 Jun 30 08:44:24 GeneralAntilles: whole maemo.... hack on hack on hack Jun 30 08:45:21 GeneralAntilles: I will ping Ferenc about it, when he is awake. Jun 30 08:45:30 Thanks! Jun 30 08:45:42 anyone having problems with xmpp/jabber accounts in Collabora? Jun 30 09:04:10 timeless: hey, are you there? Jun 30 09:09:29 Are the sprint meetings likely to usually be around the end/beginning of the month? Jun 30 09:09:48 GeneralAntilles: See the schedule on the 100days page. Jun 30 09:10:32 Ah, right, I see. Thanks. Jun 30 09:11:06 We plan to make the channel moderated so the 'maemo team' can do their progress reports and after that open it up for questions. Jun 30 09:11:29 I've put the logger in place, so I can publish the irclog later. Jun 30 09:12:38 We need to do a dry-run on the Maemo-meeting procedure at some point. Jun 30 09:13:25 I don't think we have enough of an agenda to bother trying do it before GUADEC. Jun 30 09:13:55 GeneralAntilles: yeah, but Sprints and Maemo-meetings will be different. Jun 30 09:14:00 Right Jun 30 09:14:20 Although we will use the same channel to keep it simple ;) Jun 30 09:14:30 Freenode's services change may make things harder. Jun 30 09:14:40 I don't know if you can do a voice-by-default anymore. :\ Jun 30 09:15:37 So it may come down to doing it through a bot or just manually. Jun 30 09:17:05 It seems I can easily voice everybody manually. Jun 30 09:17:27 GeneralAntilles, pong Jun 30 09:18:03 Two things, the "Clone This Bug" link should probably be made editbugs-only. Jun 30 09:18:33 and is #3313 really an enhancement? :P Jun 30 09:19:32 hmm, so you really think that these both are related? Jun 30 09:19:35 can we learn the bot about bug numbers? Jun 30 09:19:42 X-Fade: Do you know if whoever is in charge of the autobuilder was able to have a look at the sword i386 empty package in the repo i mentionned last week ? Jun 30 09:19:54 X-Fade: or, better, do you know where should i open a formal bugzilla ? Jun 30 09:20:13 GeneralAntilles, about "Clone this bug", can you file a bug against Website/Bugzilla? :-D Jun 30 09:20:30 Will do. Jun 30 09:20:34 melmoth: A yes, I wanted to ask you to try to upload the -5 to the chinook autobuilder. So we can see if it is SDK related. Jun 30 09:20:47 andre___, they both seem to stem from issues with saved connections. Jun 30 09:20:58 ok. Will try this out either this afternoon or tomorrow Jun 30 09:21:08 Somebody more familiar with icd should probably confirm that, but that's my suspicion. ;) Jun 30 09:21:24 melmoth: And so we can really rule out packaging issues on your end. Jun 30 09:21:29 GeneralAntilles, I will forward 3313 once I have an answer to my question other there. Thanks! Jun 30 09:21:31 keesj, poke TimRiker about it. Jun 30 09:21:40 fair enough. I'll let you know what happen Jun 30 09:21:49 melmoth: I'll be watching ;) Jun 30 09:25:19 andre___, done. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3350 Jun 30 09:26:27 GeneralAntilles: cool, thanks. having bug reports is an easier way to let karsten do all the work instead of me ;-))) Jun 30 09:27:39 Now THAT sounds like a plan. :D Jun 30 09:30:34 GeneralAntilles, btw, is bug 3289 a regression or has this always been like that? Jun 30 09:30:56 (maybe you've made some backups in the past and know, while i didn't do) Jun 30 09:31:01 Regression Jun 30 09:31:28 I poked Texrat about that one, so it went in through some sort of internal channel about a month ago. Jun 30 09:32:10 ok, going to forward then Jun 30 09:32:18 does anyone know where I could get info about libesd? Jun 30 09:32:33 crashanddie_: on esound website? Jun 30 09:32:49 it would seem esd is completely useless these days, no website, no support Jun 30 09:32:58 I wonder when maemo will switch to pulseaudio Jun 30 09:33:25 what are the advantages? Jun 30 09:34:07 RST38h: to say the true I have no idea - just see that other projects are going that way Jun 30 09:34:20 lighter, better performance, better architecture, apps don't need to implement it, up to date Jun 30 09:35:00 Will it provide /dev/dsp API? Please? Jun 30 09:35:13 RST38h: you mean 'OSS api'? Jun 30 09:35:30 hrw: Well, the generic subset of it, anyway Jun 30 09:36:02 I am not application developer so did not checked Jun 30 09:36:03 pulseaudio is already backwards compatible with esd, OSS is yet another plugin Jun 30 09:36:30 but. yeah, it can Jun 30 09:37:19 well, dev/dsp is actually a device not a library Jun 30 09:37:32 so supporting it as "yet another API" is nt trivial Jun 30 09:37:47 and usually does not support more then one sound at time Jun 30 09:38:06 but I do not know when my systems had /dev/dsp last time Jun 30 09:38:24 Actually, ALSA will support multiple clients Jun 30 09:38:30 few years ago when I had es1371 card probably Jun 30 09:38:46 which is the better calendar, gpe-cal or mcalendar? Jun 30 09:38:53 Dunno, it is still pretty standard. More standard than esound, anyway Jun 30 09:39:02 and how about syncing from outlook? Jun 30 09:39:03 macoute: why not pimlico dates? Jun 30 09:39:22 hrw: you have the free to point me to other, more correct directions as well :) Jun 30 09:39:59 dedum... Jun 30 09:40:00 hrw: youd say that is the best one? Jun 30 09:40:13 macoute: no, I just added 3rd to the list Jun 30 09:40:14 * dneary hates time pressure for presentations Jun 30 09:40:34 good morning Jun 30 09:40:46 I have 2 presentations to prepare today... one on accessibility in GNOME, and another on building bridges between projects Jun 30 09:40:55 Morning Herr Boor, wie geht's? Jun 30 09:41:03 danke gut, und du? Jun 30 09:41:15 entschuldigung, und Sie? :) Jun 30 09:41:37 mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut :) Jun 30 09:41:39 jak to dobrze gdy wszyscy sie rozumiejÄ… ;) Jun 30 09:42:03 dneary: Ganz gut... aber auch keine Langeweile :-) Jun 30 09:42:21 hrw: so you dont have any suggestions regarding my calendar problem? Do you know about the sync from outlook? Jun 30 09:42:38 Won Jun 30 09:42:40 macoute: I do not use pim under os2008 Jun 30 09:42:41 keine Langweile? Jun 30 09:42:42 't sync to outlook Jun 30 09:42:50 May sync with Google Calendar. Jun 30 09:42:55 Ich suche im Google Language Tools Jun 30 09:42:56 RST38h: any of them wont? Jun 30 09:43:02 macoute: yep Jun 30 09:43:41 dneary: boredom iirc Jun 30 09:44:24 ah Jun 30 09:44:26 No boredom Jun 30 09:45:04 macoute: Wir können dudichen. Jun 30 09:46:09 dneary: dudichen? Jun 30 09:46:22 I don't know if you say that in German Jun 30 09:46:28 "tutoyer" in French Jun 30 09:46:37 "call each other du instead of Sie" Jun 30 09:47:05 dneary: ah, sinutella in finnish (sinä == you) Jun 30 09:47:06 dneary, quite hard to express in english Jun 30 09:48:19 Ich suchte Google für dudichen aber könnte nichts finden Jun 30 09:48:59 please speak english Jun 30 09:49:21 macoute: but you *will* find hits for tutoyer Jun 30 09:49:23 thats fine for me, considering my skills in germany :) Jun 30 09:50:02 ok, what are you guys trying to find ? Jun 30 09:50:20 and for anyone curious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-V_distinction Jun 30 09:50:36 http://french.about.com/library/begin/bl_tuvsvous.htm Jun 30 09:50:41 http://french.about.com/od/vocabulary/g/tutoyer.htm Jun 30 09:50:43 crashanddie: i was actually looking for a calendar application for maemo, which could sync to outlook Jun 30 09:51:02 so where the f did the whole tutoyer stuff come from ? Jun 30 09:51:31 macoute: if you find one, let me know! Jun 30 09:51:45 macoute: speaking of mcalendar... I never saw it before but now after having a look I would not even try it on my tablet Jun 30 09:51:53 ccooke: it seems that the syncing must be done via 3rd party application Jun 30 09:52:02 hrw: really? Jun 30 09:52:35 macoute: I just refuse to use maemo packages which are created in ugly style Jun 30 09:54:55 all those 'chmox +x /usr/bin/mcalendar' in post install scripts... Jun 30 09:55:11 or using wrapper scripts in /usr/bin/ Jun 30 09:56:09 or renaming files in post install scripts (ukmp) Jun 30 10:02:29 morning Jun 30 10:02:37 hi simon Jun 30 10:02:43 Hey, lardman. Jun 30 10:02:43 hi Marcin Jun 30 10:02:53 Anything exciting happen over the weekend? Jun 30 10:03:08 andre___, something to put on your consideration-list is changing "IT OS" to "Maemo" for the OS field. Jun 30 10:05:55 oh yeah. that one confused me too Jun 30 10:06:14 though we first have to define the maemo scope :-P Jun 30 10:06:57 Well, mostly clear enough for that, anyway, methinks. http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#Definitions Jun 30 10:34:08 why can't I find the changes required to add extras as reposutory in the sdk Jun 30 10:34:34 I am turing around and following links and wiki pages and in progress pages Jun 30 10:34:43 following external links Jun 30 10:38:29 Anybody happen to have a matched set of icons that might work for "proposed", "accepted", "ongoing" and "completed" for a task banner? Jun 30 10:44:04 GeneralAntilles: sounds like workflow stuff Jun 30 10:46:19 https://wiki.maemo.org/Template:Task Jun 30 10:46:23 Is what I need it for Jun 30 10:46:57 Who turned off svg uploading on the wiki? :\ Jun 30 10:56:15 and who removed the Help in formatting Jun 30 10:56:23 GA: http://www.enhydra.org/images/twescreenshot.jpg Jun 30 10:56:43 GA: You can pic icons from there, it is open source afaik Jun 30 10:56:50 Hrm, I guess it was never enabled, as it's disabled by default in a new mediawiki install. Jun 30 10:58:27 Wouldn't it be more logical if "New Chat" brought up Online contacts as default rather than All contacts? Jun 30 11:02:07 GA: http://www.cuteflow.org Jun 30 11:02:43 RST38h, might use this set: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Pictogram_voting_wait.svg Jun 30 11:02:46 They're public domain Jun 30 11:03:12 nice Jun 30 11:03:25 the problem is to find the whole set in the same style though Jun 30 11:03:26 I just need to make the checkmark green. Jun 30 11:03:34 See the Other versions field. Jun 30 11:03:40 He's got a bunch of them Jun 30 11:03:53 I HAVE MY DEGREEEEEEEEEE Jun 30 11:04:00 yea, I see it, but are you sure that the color alone will be enough to denote state? Jun 30 11:04:01 For Men? Jun 30 11:04:17 crashanddie_: congrats Jun 30 11:04:26 * RST38h is going to dig wikimedia a bit more Jun 30 11:04:29 Proposed: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Pictogram_voting_question.svg Jun 30 11:04:43 Accepted: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Pictogram_voting_comment.svg Jun 30 11:04:45 thanks Jun 30 11:04:49 Ongoing: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Pictogram_voting_wait.svg Jun 30 11:04:58 Completed (in green): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Pictogram_voting_keep.svg Jun 30 11:12:58 "Accepted" probably won't do Jun 30 11:13:24 crashanddie_ nice one! Jun 30 11:13:40 crashanddie_: congrats! Jun 30 11:13:45 which degree? :) Jun 30 11:13:45 Yeah, I agree. Jun 30 11:14:18 hes just worked out how far from kevin bacon he is Jun 30 11:14:56 GA: How about finding icons along these lines: Jun 30 11:15:11 Proposed: arrow leading into an enclosure (bucket, box, etc) Jun 30 11:15:27 Ongoing: same enclosure with a rotating (?) gear inside Jun 30 11:16:19 Accepted: like proposed but qithout question sign (proposed should have question sign) Jun 30 11:16:27 Completed: arrow leading out of the enclosure Jun 30 11:17:34 Be easier just to make 'em Jun 30 11:19:13 hmm... so can garage project maintainers disable the GForge bugtracker for their project? anybody knows whether this is easily possible? Jun 30 11:19:14 inz: you have had some serious problems with your irssi today? Jun 30 11:19:22 (i'm wondering about modest) Jun 30 11:19:33 inz: host keeps changing and you keep on connecting/disconnecting Jun 30 11:19:59 macoute, according to my status window, that was yesterday Jun 30 11:20:25 inz: ah, thats true. 23:49 Jun 30 11:20:37 for the last time Jun 30 11:20:38 macoute, somewhy irc.ipv6.freenode.net failed to resolve last night and I did not reconnect to freenode... Jun 30 11:20:53 andre___, why the hell are they tracking bugs there? :\ Jun 30 11:22:34 macoute, but indeed seems I dropped out of ircnet some 5-ish times Jun 30 11:22:50 inz: yeah, i was actually talking about ircnet Jun 30 11:23:15 you reconnecting here with another host just remembered me about the situation Jun 30 11:23:43 Jaffa, it is already scalable, but there's no real data sources Jun 30 11:24:43 GeneralAntilles, well. because it wasn't official part of the platform before diablo was released Jun 30 11:25:58 Yes, but there's been a Bugzilla component for forever. Jun 30 11:27:18 oh, i didn't know that. now that makes it confusing Jun 30 11:27:25 i thought it was more recently Jun 30 11:28:03 Either way, the garage tracker for it needs to be closed down ASAP and migrated. Jun 30 11:30:43 Earliest bugzilla bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2536 Earlist garage tracker bug: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1742&group_id=9&atid=109 Jun 30 11:32:12 haha, great... entropy... Jun 30 11:32:29 just preparing an email on that, also about changing the components names in maemo bugzilla, but first got to grab some breakfast :-) Jun 30 11:33:17 btw. you do recommend claws over modest, right? Jun 30 11:33:33 Depends on the person. Jun 30 11:33:38 is there a way to mark messages as read just by selecting it in modest? Jun 30 11:33:38 I personally use and very much like Modest. Jun 30 11:34:08 GeneralAntilles: is it possible in Modest? Now I need to click it open, so it takes about 2-3 secs per message, just to mark it as read Jun 30 11:34:26 (i know i can do it from menu as well, but thats about the same time. even a shortcut would be nice) Jun 30 11:34:45 There's a menu option, I believe Jun 30 11:34:48 Don't recall right now. Jun 30 11:34:51 Er, yeah. Jun 30 11:35:00 i read my emails in very various ways, so i often have messages unread, though i have read them somewhere else Jun 30 11:35:38 Why does Illustrator fail on these svgs? <_< Jun 30 11:45:14 Woo, crashing apache threads. Jun 30 11:45:16 Funfunfun Jun 30 12:00:20 meh! its dinner time and my 810 is dead. the last i saw of it was last night it told me "unplug from mains to save power" i disconnected network and locked it :( Jun 30 12:01:00 * lcuk goes back to the stoneage. Jun 30 12:01:03 anyone got a pencil? Jun 30 12:01:19 no <_< Jun 30 12:01:30 you got the source code for a pencil? Jun 30 12:01:35 maybe Jun 30 12:01:40 * rm_you looks around Jun 30 12:01:41 :D heh Jun 30 12:01:54 apt-get source pencil Jun 30 12:02:03 just have the binarys for a Bic, too bad they're closed source <_< Jun 30 12:02:18 but they are easy to disassemble Jun 30 12:03:08 * rm_you sleeps Jun 30 12:03:19 rm_you: nn Jun 30 12:03:25 * lcuk takes notes in blood Jun 30 12:03:26 gnite rm Jun 30 12:07:36 lcuk: blood and your n8x0 stylus? Jun 30 12:15:53 aquatix, i dont think my stylus would break the skin. and i wouldnt get bloodstains off the metalic bezel on the 810, so it looks like i will be etching onto a cave wall or something Jun 30 12:17:10 though, its a bit invonvenient to carry around a whole cave system. i would prefer my 810 battery to just last the distance Jun 30 12:17:49 X-Fade, I cleaned this out a bit (still not great), might be worthwhile to coordinate the Extras stuff from here for now: https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Consolidation_of_Extras Jun 30 12:19:35 GeneralAntilles: Thanks, I am planning to write more documentation too. I just have to find some time for it ;) Jun 30 12:19:49 Don't kill yourself. :) Jun 30 12:23:12 lol . . . http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/mediawiki-crap.png Jun 30 12:24:03 :p Jun 30 12:27:25 GeneralAntilles: Nah, I'm just busy with ironing out issues in builder/promoter we haven't seen while testing. Jun 30 12:29:03 Is it me, or has Darius been medicated? Jun 30 12:30:27 Yeah, totally different person. Jun 30 12:39:13 lcuk, lol . . . Jun 30 12:39:19 :D Jun 30 12:46:28 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 Jun 30 12:46:36 lovely maemo bugs.. Jun 30 12:55:13 hrw: Wonderful Jun 30 12:55:35 I also like 3315 bug Jun 30 12:55:40 * RST38h is still unsure which one of Modest and the new MicroB is more broken Jun 30 12:56:06 Modest is more obvious of course. But MicroB bug seems to be more fundamental Jun 30 12:56:07 I didn't have any problems... Jun 30 12:56:20 crash: look at the process list Jun 30 12:56:23 microb has a couple annoying bugs Jun 30 12:56:24 ~curse lack of wget Jun 30 12:56:25 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, lack of wget ! Jun 30 12:56:38 You will see browserd process taking 15MB of your memory or so Jun 30 12:56:46 I'm not convinced that browserd's memory usage is all that critical. Jun 30 12:56:54 I mean, how much of that will be released easily when needed? Jun 30 12:56:55 Notice that it will stay there even after you quit all MicroB windows Jun 30 12:57:02 lo all) Jun 30 12:57:05 GA: None Jun 30 12:57:14 hi wazd Jun 30 12:57:23 GA: As far as I can tell, Load applet shows actual memory taken by the process Jun 30 12:57:38 Won't be released unless you kill the process Jun 30 12:57:42 Rst38h, isn't that because it keeps a rendered copy of past history in memory? Jun 30 12:58:11 crash: My guess is that it is because browserd is a dbus server and there is really no way to close dbus server once it is not needed Jun 30 12:58:43 So the actual problem is that memory-hungry web browser should NOT be made a resident server Jun 30 12:59:07 inz: ping Jun 30 12:59:13 Well I fail to see the disadvantages Jun 30 12:59:27 the idea is good, it just needs some finetuning Jun 30 12:59:45 timeless, pong Jun 30 13:00:14 I'm with RST38h on this one. There's no reason to have the browser engine running all the time on such a memory limited device Jun 30 13:00:24 I mean, if you want to be memory efficient, the best thing to do would be to to regroup all recurrent stuff of multiple browsers into one single process Jun 30 13:01:11 sure, it should be able to free the memory when not needed, but the idea is not fundamentally bad Jun 30 13:01:20 it also seems MicroB is a tad slower/less responsive since diablo Jun 30 13:01:28 but that might be subjective Jun 30 13:01:35 I have quit the oposite feeling Jun 30 13:01:52 placebo effect for both of us, prolly Jun 30 13:01:54 maybe i should reboot my tablet Jun 30 13:02:04 played too much with it :) Jun 30 13:02:34 at least since flashing diablo I haven't had the browser suck up all my memory...I ran into that a couple times in the "pre-release" diablo Jun 30 13:02:54 according to load applet's Processes list, hilden-desktop takes 14MB, which sounds like a cause too Jun 30 13:03:31 modest keeps crashing in the background with imap(s) account though :/ Jun 30 13:03:32 but that should be including all shared libs, all statusbar applets and all desktop applets Jun 30 13:03:37 true Jun 30 13:03:46 hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? Jun 30 13:03:48 but i thought i remember it being somewhat less in chinook Jun 30 13:03:54 but my memory might be faulty ;) Jun 30 13:03:58 RST38h: my understanding is that the browserd gets restarted between "Sessions" Jun 30 13:04:06 so it doesn't actually retain all the memory you think it does Jun 30 13:04:28 timeless: well, it continues to linger after microb quits Jun 30 13:04:37 no Jun 30 13:04:39 you can't count Jun 30 13:04:42 timeless: Actually, there are two copies. One (2MB footprint) is always present Jun 30 13:04:44 power your device off Jun 30 13:04:47 right Jun 30 13:04:53 there should be 1 copy always present Jun 30 13:05:02 and another copy which gets restarted between sessions Jun 30 13:05:04 check the pid Jun 30 13:05:06 The second one (11-18MB footprint) starts with microb and stays after I quit it Jun 30 13:05:19 its pid should change between closing of the last window and some time t Jun 30 13:05:28 i don't have a browser window open, and have a 11MB browserd process Jun 30 13:05:30 timeless: The memory footprint numbers are from the load applet, they are not "potential" memory allocation Jun 30 13:05:42 rst38h: please use htop in terminal Jun 30 13:05:44 timeless: See aquatix's comment Jun 30 13:05:45 (according to load applet's Processes list) Jun 30 13:05:47 anything else is just stupid Jun 30 13:05:54 * aquatix tries top Jun 30 13:05:58 timeless: will do, as soon as I get home tonight Jun 30 13:05:59 aquatix: yes, that's intentional Jun 30 13:06:12 but it's not supposed to remember everything you had from the last session Jun 30 13:06:20 it's supposed to be a new browser daemon for the next time Jun 30 13:06:22 ok, so the second browserd lingering is intentional? Jun 30 13:06:25 so that the browser starts quikcly Jun 30 13:06:35 top says 67364 virtual size Jun 30 13:06:38 all right. and the footprint may be reported wrongly? Jun 30 13:06:39 rst38h: as long as the pid doesn't match the pid you had for your first instance Jun 30 13:06:39 11MB? Jun 30 13:06:51 aquatix: 11mb seems right Jun 30 13:06:55 hm Jun 30 13:06:57 virtual size is garbage Jun 30 13:07:01 it's all the .so files Jun 30 13:07:01 true Jun 30 13:07:09 timeless: sure about it? Jun 30 13:07:14 if you quote vs to me again, i'll never talk to you again Jun 30 13:07:15 ok? :)} Jun 30 13:07:16 hey, is there any way on the n770 to make the kernel not boot in 'quiet' mode, so you can watch something like this during bootup, http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sugar-olpc/figure3.jpg ? Jun 30 13:07:20 53% mem top says Jun 30 13:07:39 What is vs? Jun 30 13:07:42 aquatix: from top, what interests me is the pid Jun 30 13:07:53 7378 Jun 30 13:08:06 oh virtual size Jun 30 13:08:06 as long as it doesn't match the pid from your previous browsing session, it's working as designed Jun 30 13:08:06 ppid is 1324 Jun 30 13:08:06 admin_, I have no idea about the 770, but there is a way to do it on the n800 Jun 30 13:08:06 start browser, check pid, quit browser, wait, check pid Jun 30 13:08:06 ah Jun 30 13:08:11 ppid = parent pid = useless Jun 30 13:08:16 check Jun 30 13:08:21 admin_: recompile kernel with other CMDLINE Jun 30 13:08:24 * aquatix tries with new browser window Jun 30 13:08:57 admin_, on the n8x0 at least you also need a kernel or module with fbcon support as the default kernel doesn't have it Jun 30 13:10:12 now 1324 (31.8% mem) and 7378 (74.6% mem); after closing it's 7536 (53% mem), so it opens a new process indeed Jun 30 13:10:18 still, i think it's much memory Jun 30 13:10:20 ok johnx Jun 30 13:10:26 and still not opening really fast Jun 30 13:10:29 hrw: have you done that before? Jun 30 13:10:36 * aquatix is getting some coffee Jun 30 13:10:39 bbiab Jun 30 13:10:54 btw, anyone tried to interface with esd in the past ? Jun 30 13:11:00 aquatix, if that is from top it is a *LIE* Jun 30 13:12:52 Anyone going to Berlin in september?) Jun 30 13:13:41 whats there then? Jun 30 13:13:50 OSiM Jun 30 13:13:55 ah ok Jun 30 13:13:56 admin_: Poky kernels for 770 and n8x0 are not quiet Jun 30 13:13:59 OSiM Jun 30 13:14:14 wazd: I will probably attend Jun 30 13:14:17 https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 Jun 30 13:14:29 I'm really thinking of) Jun 30 13:14:37 aquatix: anyway, if it's opening a new processs, it's working as designed Jun 30 13:14:46 and the only number that matters is htop's private Jun 30 13:14:51 i don't care about any other measurement Jun 30 13:15:04 clear? :) Jun 30 13:15:22 aquatix: Could you run htop? Jun 30 13:15:28 hrw: what's a Poky kernel Jun 30 13:15:39 * RST38h can't get to his tablet to test right now Jun 30 13:16:27 admin_, a kernel from "Poky Linux" Jun 30 13:16:37 is there something that can be done to /mnt/initfs/linuxrc? Jun 30 13:16:39 * johnx runs htop Jun 30 13:16:40 ok Jun 30 13:17:29 oh, well that's exciting. modest has stuck open with 93% CPU usage Jun 30 13:17:37 nice Jun 30 13:17:38 no wonder my battery power went fast today :| Jun 30 13:17:52 is anyone using poky kernel? Jun 30 13:17:57 might i suggest browser+gmail? :) Jun 30 13:18:15 timeless, the problem is I really *like* modest Jun 30 13:18:24 indeed, that clearly is a problem :) Jun 30 13:19:36 what column should I look at in htop? Jun 30 13:20:07 johnx: hmm, wonder if i have the same problem :/ Jun 30 13:20:15 timeless: browser+gmail is kinda slow Jun 30 13:20:23 painfully slow Jun 30 13:20:30 plus it doesnt support offline mails Jun 30 13:20:51 so its generally useless, though as a web ui it is brilliant Jun 30 13:20:52 I guess there is a gmail notifier that I could use, and tell modest to stop checking via imap Jun 30 13:20:59 johnx: I am actually getting 300+% from Modest after a while Jun 30 13:21:15 so should i move to claws? :P Jun 30 13:21:20 macoute: which gmail? Jun 30 13:21:24 johnx: Usually does it after crashing, so you do not really see it. In the morning, I can easily detect it - the tablet is WARM Jun 30 13:21:33 macoute: fwiw, there's probably a google gears for maemo somewhere Jun 30 13:21:40 w/ that, offline mail should work :) Jun 30 13:21:41 300% CPU time? Jun 30 13:21:46 riiiight Jun 30 13:21:49 johnx: yep Jun 30 13:22:32 macoute: https://mail.google.com/mail/x/ https://mail.google.com/mail/h/ https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=1 Jun 30 13:22:34 which do you use? Jun 30 13:22:39 timeless: GMail is a definite answer but to me this situation has now taken a political turn, of a kind Jun 30 13:22:42 (there's also an iphone ui, but i don't know the ui) Jun 30 13:22:52 rst38h: i'm a browser dev Jun 30 13:23:03 timeless: I know, not complaining about you :) Jun 30 13:23:05 i'm going to advocate for the browser in the presence of inferrior alternatives :) Jun 30 13:23:17 timeless, :P Jun 30 13:23:34 timeless: But it is shame on Nokia for not being able to provide a decent email client Jun 30 13:23:55 anyways, what column should I look at in htop to get a sense for browserd's real memory usage? Jun 30 13:23:56 They call it an *internet* tablet! Jun 30 13:24:11 rst38h: the internet in your hand comes from the web browser :) Jun 30 13:24:23 timeless <-- sneaky =) Jun 30 13:24:23 that's why i'm working on it :) Jun 30 13:24:25 RST38h, at least it's open source for once. Maybe I'll try running it in strace Jun 30 13:24:36 johnx: strace isn't useful Jun 30 13:24:42 and doesn't need things to be open source Jun 30 13:24:51 valgrind and friends take advantage of open source Jun 30 13:24:55 those were two different thoughts Jun 30 13:24:59 oh Jun 30 13:25:02 ok :). Jun 30 13:25:12 anyway, um... dunno, ask sp3000 which column to use :) Jun 30 13:25:25 if I appear to have made two sentences that make sense together...it's just a coincidence Jun 30 13:25:27 johnx: I dont give a damn whether it is open source or not Jun 30 13:25:27 i think my device will probably speak russian to me if i asked today Jun 30 13:25:42 johnx: It has to work first. Being open source is optional. Jun 30 13:26:04 well if it's open source, theoretically someone can fix it if they care enough. Jun 30 13:26:08 äÞ, timeless, ÍÀÚÃÞÐÅÊÝÌÍ Jun 30 13:26:22 rst38h: i didn't say my irc client was utf8 aware Jun 30 13:26:28 or that i spoke russian (neither of which are true) Jun 30 13:26:28 Ha Jun 30 13:26:47 GeneralAntilles: Hi there Jun 30 13:26:50 timeless: No, you just said that your device would speak Russian to you Jun 30 13:26:58 timeless: Thanks for your feedback Jun 30 13:27:01 hey, I just 'installed' poky, but I turn the n770 on, and I just get the NOKIA blue letters on white, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere Jun 30 13:27:01 correct, and it did, for about 2minns Jun 30 13:27:05 Hey, dneary. Jun 30 13:27:08 dneary: when do we see the results? :) Jun 30 13:27:09 that doesn't look like utf-8 russian to me Jun 30 13:27:13 GeneralAntilles: The wiki slowness thing... Jun 30 13:27:25 . . . makes me want to die. Jun 30 13:27:31 heh Jun 30 13:27:32 I think it might in part be because MediaWiki's installed on the same box as Midgard Jun 30 13:27:37 heh Jun 30 13:27:40 They may be competing for resources Jun 30 13:27:41 oh, i could look at that! Jun 30 13:27:45 It's probably cp1251, I do not really know as it is the first time I type cyrillics in this terminal Jun 30 13:27:54 timeless: Hmmm Jun 30 13:27:55 * GeneralAntilles gives mediawiki a howitzer. Jun 30 13:27:57 Tricky issue Jun 30 13:27:57 dneary: I know for sure that that is the reason.. Jun 30 13:28:03 oh yay it booted Jun 30 13:28:04 Maybe never, in the form you saw it Jun 30 13:28:11 What's the timeframe on those server upgrades? :( Jun 30 13:28:14 top - 16:28:11 up 91 days, 10:47, 2 users, load average: 0.23, 0.31, 0.32 Jun 30 13:28:14 Tasks: 101 total, 1 running, 100 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Jun 30 13:28:22 Linux maemo-midgard 2.6.16-xenU20060830 #1 SMP Wed Aug 30 11:35:40 EEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux Jun 30 13:28:26 eww, it's a vm? Jun 30 13:28:39 GeneralAntilles: This month, hopefully. Jun 30 13:28:41 http://htop.sourceforge.net/128.png <--- yesssss, yessss, my preciousss Jun 30 13:28:42 does xen expose information about total cpu usage, or only virtual? Jun 30 13:29:07 timeless: Apparently some people were uphappy with having a list published, Quim thinks that encouraging to update their profiles, and having some kind of marker in the karma list if someone is from Nokia is better Jun 30 13:29:09 timeless: I'm not sure what box you are on, but it is not the correct one ;) Jun 30 13:29:15 aquatix: Could you paste the whole htop line for browserd ? Jun 30 13:29:22 x-fade: bugs.maemo.org :) Jun 30 13:29:24 X-Fade, so, like, uh today? Jun 30 13:29:32 (bugs_and_lists)timeless@maemo-midgard:~$ Jun 30 13:29:42 GeneralAntilles: Ehm next month ;) Jun 30 13:29:52 dneary: having been bitten w/in 1 day of someone marking me as nokia Jun 30 13:30:01 and having already expressed my reservations to you about my name Jun 30 13:30:04 i can't say i'm surprised Jun 30 13:30:08 timeless: The wiki is not running on that one. Jun 30 13:30:44 timeless: So I'll be looking for feedback at the spring meeting this evening on how we should go about this task Jun 30 13:30:55 x-fade: great Jun 30 13:30:59 what are "lists" :) Jun 30 13:31:11 johnx , hrw: just installed poky, there's no wifi? Jun 30 13:31:13 timeless: Mailinglists. Jun 30 13:31:15 yeah I noticed someone slipped me a company hat on bugzilla last week Jun 30 13:31:17 and is midguard still here, if not, should the box get a new name? Jun 30 13:31:28 so much for trying to fly under the foot-in-mouth radar! :) Jun 30 13:31:29 sp3000: yeah, on saturday Jun 30 13:31:31 admin_, I guess not. I don't work with poky Jun 30 13:31:36 timeless: There is no midgard on that box in use. Jun 30 13:31:42 sp3000: actually, technically, the hat was probably something i gave you Jun 30 13:31:55 but someone showed our hats to the world (guenther) Jun 30 13:32:04 sp3000: if you want your hat removed, i can remove it :) Jun 30 13:32:05 admin_: no one is allowed to distribute wifi modules Jun 30 13:32:16 admin_: no one == non-Nokia Jun 30 13:32:34 sp3000: help Jun 30 13:32:43 how does one get "private" memory usage from htop? Jun 30 13:32:57 heck, where's the fkey on my n810 keyboard? :) Jun 30 13:33:33 :O Jun 30 13:33:36 that sucks Jun 30 13:34:06 and is there a bug filed that the up/down buttons in the xterm toolbar shortcut dialog don't highlight correctly when tapped? :) Jun 30 13:34:15 even the browser does a better job :o Jun 30 13:37:04 wazd: how goes omweather 0.21? Jun 30 13:37:07 * timeless pokes sp3000 Jun 30 13:37:14 ow Jun 30 13:37:55 proxy(eero)->ping(htop) Jun 30 13:38:17 The worst thing is, I feel like I'm missing "important" discussions all the time Jun 30 13:38:52 dneary: Which ones? Jun 30 13:39:00 There's so much information, between ITT, mailing lists, wiki changes (we have >400 wiki edits per day at the moment), garage uploads, ... Jun 30 13:39:14 dneary: treat itt and mailing lists as spam :) Jun 30 13:39:19 ^ Jun 30 13:39:41 and yet sometimes interesting stuff shows up there Jun 30 13:39:42 * timeless is kinda surprised about the garage bit Jun 30 13:39:48 reminds me of my old hotmail account Jun 30 13:39:54 Ha Jun 30 13:39:56 heh Jun 30 13:40:05 I try to filliw ITT and wiki updates via a feed reader, but the RSS feed for ITT only includes new threads, not all comments (and still has about 80 new entries per day), and the RecentChanges feed has > 400 posts per day... Jun 30 13:40:23 dneary: It may be worth t create a customized Google search for Maemo stuff Jun 30 13:40:34 I manage to keep track of Garage Jun 30 13:40:34 Recent changes feed is pretty weak overall. Jun 30 13:40:47 Oh - then there's Planet Maemo, maemo news Jun 30 13:40:49 dneary, turn on the js for the RecentChanges page on the wiki and watch that. Jun 30 13:40:55 hrm, did someone fix planet-maemo? Jun 30 13:40:59 js? Jun 30 13:40:59 the last time i tried, it crashed Jun 30 13:41:01 It groups stuff together so it's a little easier to get an overview. Jun 30 13:41:07 timeless: shows ok now Jun 30 13:41:29 timeless: something about browserd? Jun 30 13:41:37 dneary, https://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences Recent changes tab -> "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript). Jun 30 13:41:40 sp3000: how to get "private bytes" Jun 30 13:41:41 timeless: but do notice that livejournal.com pages now take way too much time to load in microb Jun 30 13:42:04 timeless: same with mail.yahoo.com, but I am not sure whether it was better on previous microb Jun 30 13:42:17 rst38h: try this Jun 30 13:42:19 1. load https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?product=Browser Jun 30 13:42:23 2. click any bug link Jun 30 13:42:26 3. load http://planet.maemo.org/ Jun 30 13:42:48 wait let me copy&paste these instructions so that I can try them tonight Jun 30 13:42:56 brother Jun 30 13:43:01 you don't need a device Jun 30 13:43:08 any cookie enabled browser will work Jun 30 13:43:08 ok Jun 30 13:43:37 step 2 is probably optional Jun 30 13:44:07 timeless: looks more or less fine, except that left baloon borders do not show up entirely Jun 30 13:44:19 rst38h: hrm Jun 30 13:44:22 no fair Jun 30 13:44:23 FF3 Jun 30 13:44:31 Shit wait Jun 30 13:44:39 It opened in the evil IE6 browser Jun 30 13:45:34 Ok, it opened just fine in FF3, all borders intact Jun 30 13:45:37 /proc/`pidof browser`/status is the raw details Jun 30 13:45:40 rst38h: this is planet? Jun 30 13:45:44 i'm getting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3347 Jun 30 13:45:45 yes Jun 30 13:46:00 XP machine Jun 30 13:46:43 Not getting any problems. BUT there are two catches: 1) it is XP 2) it is going through a proxy in Santa Clara Jun 30 13:47:10 i can reproduce this by sending the exact session listed in the bug report Jun 30 13:47:52 oh wait Jun 30 13:47:56 are you logged into bugzilla? Jun 30 13:48:06 (and maemo.org) Jun 30 13:48:37 timeless: I can't reproduce it either. Jun 30 13:48:37 no Jun 30 13:48:48 logging in Jun 30 13:49:30 because i'm getting the same bug w/ a straight telnet connection Jun 30 13:50:24 hrm, is my php session id something someone can steal from me? Jun 30 13:50:25 Logged into both, went from bugzilla to planet, everything fine except that planet seems to have lost my login Jun 30 13:50:30 heh Jun 30 13:50:40 trying again Jun 30 13:50:44 https: != http: Jun 30 13:50:53 RST38h: yes, but that is because you use http instead of https. Jun 30 13:50:56 but you might check cookies, it's possible you lost your cookie Jun 30 13:50:58 Yeah, what he said ;) Jun 30 13:51:05 says https Jun 30 13:51:17 let me do it once again, cleanly Jun 30 13:51:20 so um... if it says https and you lost your cookie then someone helpfully ate it Jun 30 13:51:27 ah Jun 30 13:51:35 which of course is a related bug Jun 30 13:51:50 anyway, it'd be nice if the bugzilla cookie was *not* sent to *.maemo.org Jun 30 13:51:58 Every time I try to click login, it quietly moves me from http to https Jun 30 13:52:02 i don't want evil.garage.maemo.org to have my bugzilla cookies :) Jun 30 13:52:19 timeless: I don't see it in the available columns list Jun 30 13:52:23 does not ask to reenter credentials, just switches from http to https Jun 30 13:52:30 sp3000: ... Jun 30 13:52:31 thanks Jun 30 13:52:51 sp3000: so um. which /proc/pid/status field is closest? Jun 30 13:52:59 2 days, is it, now without spam on the wiki? Wonder why they moved on. . . . Jun 30 13:53:30 they will be back as soon as they are done with other wikis Jun 30 13:53:50 you should patiently wait your turn in line Jun 30 13:53:50 * GeneralAntilles really wants a resolution on the issue one way or the other. Jun 30 13:54:04 rst38h++ Jun 30 13:54:16 make people authenticate themselves and present them with a squiggle Jun 30 13:54:17 fanoush went and threw a wrench into the consensus. :< Jun 30 13:54:35 all spammers are busy, please wait, your need for spam will be addressed when the next spammer is available Jun 30 13:55:15 GA: Does fanoush want or does not want authentication? Jun 30 13:55:56 hrm Jun 30 13:56:01 i can't seem to log into mameo.org Jun 30 13:56:05 s/me/em/ Jun 30 13:56:05 timeless meant: i can't seem to log into maemo.org Jun 30 13:56:36 load average: 12.33, 10.25, 7.86 Jun 30 13:56:48 RST38h, he wants to allow anonymous edits. Jun 30 13:57:27 why? Jun 30 13:57:35 ok, using https works Jun 30 13:58:23 Well, a few reasons. The gist of it is that barriers to entry to a wiki have a negative impact. Jun 30 13:58:31 Hi Jun 30 13:58:50 You lose the, "I don't have an account, but I see a typo here and I'm going to fix it" drive-by-editors. Jun 30 13:59:17 Which are fairly significant editors in a wiki ecosystem. Jun 30 13:59:24 timeless: like res-shr? Jun 30 13:59:28 GA: How about he takes responsibility for moderating anonymouses? =) Jun 30 13:59:35 sp3000: sounds right Jun 30 13:59:38 is that what i want? Jun 30 13:59:54 Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error) Jun 30 13:59:57 gan: how about we require everyone to use ff3 and the spellchecker Jun 30 14:00:01 RST38h, that was my response to the guy who suggested queing up anonymous edits for moderation. :D Jun 30 14:00:12 heh Jun 30 14:00:18 oh yeah, that'd work Jun 30 14:00:19 I guess it's something with that arm vs. i386 stuff :) Jun 30 14:00:20 timeless, or OS X. ;) Jun 30 14:00:21 DarkenCZ: on x86 or other? Jun 30 14:00:27 gan: fine w/ me Jun 30 14:00:38 johnx / Stskeeps: You guys here? Jun 30 14:00:39 htw: x86 Jun 30 14:00:44 Capn_Fish, afraid so Jun 30 14:00:48 fair enough Jun 30 14:00:51 Capn_Fish: i am Jun 30 14:00:59 Nice! Two for one! Jun 30 14:01:07 Capn_Fish, how's it going? Jun 30 14:01:08 The problem really is that we simply don't have the bots, or the manpower that wikipedia does. Jun 30 14:01:12 Pretty well Jun 30 14:01:20 timeless: maybe Jun 30 14:01:25 The Debian install script failed on chrooting, though :( Jun 30 14:01:34 and expecting a half-dozen people to keep up with the spam isn't very realistic. Jun 30 14:01:42 I used the scripts from maemo.org Jun 30 14:01:45 Capn_Fish: could you pastebin the error? Jun 30 14:01:50 Capn_Fish: i had an odd fail on ext3 myself Jun 30 14:01:54 GA: I do not see how you can have anonymouses and no spam at the same time Jun 30 14:01:56 But... Jun 30 14:02:00 Ummm.....I'd have to reproduce it Jun 30 14:02:08 was it post-debootstrap? Jun 30 14:02:16 GA: How about asking anonymouses to type contents of a squiggle? Jun 30 14:02:18 I believe so Jun 30 14:02:20 Well, implementing a CAPTCHA would be a good first step. Jun 30 14:02:46 The OTHER problem that's specific to use is the fact that all edits over http show up as 127.0.0.1 Jun 30 14:03:00 So you can't actually ban individual spammers. Jun 30 14:03:00 Stskeeps: The rootfs will start to boot from Fanoush's initfs, at least (no screen refresh, but no fail message) Jun 30 14:03:04 if (os == linux) allow Jun 30 14:03:17 so what's the current problem? are we getting anon spam? (I suppose we will eventually anyway) Jun 30 14:03:18 Capn_Fish: as in it brings up consolefb? Jun 30 14:03:24 No :( Jun 30 14:03:28 hang on Jun 30 14:03:29 sp3000, quite a bit of it over the last two weeks. Jun 30 14:03:37 login or captcha seems like a reasonable iteration Jun 30 14:04:00 GA: The 127.0.0.1 thing sounds more like a wiki bug Jun 30 14:04:04 Stskeeps: My SD card has what looks like a fairly complete rootfs on it Jun 30 14:04:08 I've been banning 127.0.0.1 (which as the effect of disallowing anonymous edits over http) for 24-hour periods until we figure out whether we want to allow or disallow anonymous editing. Jun 30 14:04:14 RST38h, it has to do with the http proxy. Jun 30 14:04:19 They show up fine over https Jun 30 14:04:42 Capn_Fish: does /etc/init.d/usbnet-emergency-telnetd exist? (just trying to trace where it failed) Jun 30 14:04:52 GA: Oh Jun 30 14:05:00 k Jun 30 14:05:03 hang on Jun 30 14:05:09 The point that dneary made (which I very much agree with), was that it's preferable to know who's making edits. Jun 30 14:05:41 Stskeeps: Nope. Jun 30 14:05:53 Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? Jun 30 14:06:01 GA: No argument here Jun 30 14:06:08 Even registered users frequently edit anonymous if they forget to login (there's actually a mediawiki plugin to login-on-edit, but I can't seem to find it again). Jun 30 14:06:20 GA: Can http->https proxy setup be changed so that ip addresses DO pass through? Jun 30 14:06:29 Capn_Fish: does /nit-base-packages exist? Jun 30 14:06:44 yes Jun 30 14:06:49 hmm Jun 30 14:06:55 Shall I just run the install again and get the exact error? Jun 30 14:07:05 I mean, stuff like this (https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Task%3AMaemo_brand&diff=2641&oldid=2502) is quite useful, but there are downsides. Jun 30 14:07:07 I guess it's reasonable for mediawiki to expect proxies to lie Jun 30 14:07:08 Capn_Fish: lemme just give you a python script so you dont' have to debootstrap all over again Jun 30 14:07:14 OK Jun 30 14:07:19 That would be nice :) Jun 30 14:07:24 RST38h, I'm sure something could be done about it. Jun 30 14:07:35 I already did it twice, and got the same error both times Jun 30 14:07:39 Hi, I just tried to install maemo-sdk with scratchbox and gentoo. When I start af-sb-init.sh, I get this reply: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherstart-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/maemo-launcher: Exec format error (Exec format error). How can I launch arm binary from scratchbox? It's x86 machine Jun 30 14:07:49 But, personally, I'd rather see that fix-time invested elsewhere until we decide we actually want anonymous edits. Jun 30 14:08:03 DarkenCZ: QEMU Jun 30 14:08:23 DarkenCZ: QEMU is fun to emerge on Gentoo, as well, so be prepared Jun 30 14:08:43 Capn_Fish: So it's harder then emerge qemu? :) Jun 30 14:08:59 DarkenCZ: You need GCC-3.3 Jun 30 14:09:09 So not much Jun 30 14:09:15 DarkenCZ: Hang on a sec Jun 30 14:09:31 * Stskeeps wonders if debian's armel sid is br0k right now Jun 30 14:09:33 DarkenCZ: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO:_Qemu Jun 30 14:09:39 thx Jun 30 14:09:41 np Jun 30 14:09:51 I had an adventure with it without reading that page Jun 30 14:09:52 :) Jun 30 14:10:10 Stskeeps: That doesn't sound good... Jun 30 14:10:21 Stskeeps: It's running fine on my Zaurus, though Jun 30 14:10:22 getting a -lot- of 404 errors on base packages, like, sysklogd, manpages, etc.. Jun 30 14:10:37 What mirror are you using? Jun 30 14:11:30 Ok, I am going to compile gcc3.4 and tell you how does it work. Thank you Jun 30 14:11:34 anyone knows where i can find iwlist, iwconfig and such for diablo/chinook? [wireless-tools basically] Jun 30 14:11:42 i can't seem to find it Jun 30 14:11:44 aquatix, gronmayer? Jun 30 14:11:51 DarkenCZ: Np. I have gcc 3.3.6 FWIW Jun 30 14:12:00 Only for Qemu, of course Jun 30 14:12:29 GeneralAntilles: oh, now i find it there Jun 30 14:12:30 odd Jun 30 14:12:39 i guess i was a bit too sleepy last night Jun 30 14:12:45 Conspiracy. Jun 30 14:12:48 We're messing with your head. Jun 30 14:12:58 http://nitapps.com seems to have it Jun 30 14:13:01 So, after I install scratchbox, it will work or are there more steps? Jun 30 14:13:08 Stskeeps: It looks like only the "S" packages are missing Jun 30 14:13:36 DarkenCZ: First know that I have never actually DONE this Jun 30 14:13:54 You need to set up QEMU to boot an ARM rootfs and kernel Jun 30 14:14:05 or maybe it just needs libs... Jun 30 14:14:22 I don't know for sure. There's a wiki page on scratchbox/qemu somewhere Jun 30 14:14:35 Ok, thank you anyway :) Jun 30 14:15:15 No problem. I like to be helped myself, so I help others Jun 30 14:16:19 Capn_Fish: svn up of trunk, cd installer, python postdebootstrap /target Jun 30 14:16:23 Stskeeps: you're right, some packages are missing for armel (but all of the S packages are missing) Jun 30 14:16:32 OK Jun 30 14:16:34 Thanks Jun 30 14:16:51 didn't have a chance to test it as my debian debootstrap just blew up :) Jun 30 14:17:07 Most unfortunate. Have you tried another mirror? Jun 30 14:17:10 trying now Jun 30 14:17:15 What's the SVN URL? Jun 30 14:17:29 svn checkout svn://svn.tspre.org/nit-debian/trunk Jun 30 14:17:30 I just clicked the download link last time :) Jun 30 14:17:34 thankx Jun 30 14:17:36 s Jun 30 14:17:43 (we have a download link?) Jun 30 14:17:47 ah Jun 30 14:17:59 It's convenient Jun 30 14:18:01 from viewvc? Jun 30 14:18:06 ya Jun 30 14:18:10 k Jun 30 14:20:26 Oh yeah, THAT's where it failed before: making/installing the module package while chrooting Jun 30 14:20:31 It's working now Jun 30 14:20:38 Wait...no Jun 30 14:21:15 hehe, so the blame may lay with me ;) Jun 30 14:21:24 Oh? Jun 30 14:21:48 It says mv: cannot rename 'linux-modules-whatever': directory not empty Jun 30 14:21:50 hmm Jun 30 14:22:06 and that the postinst script has bad permissions Jun 30 14:22:14 of 644 Jun 30 14:22:23 can you show me the screenshot on a pastebin? Jun 30 14:22:24 Maybe delete everything out of the directory? Jun 30 14:22:43 You mean copy and paste? Jun 30 14:22:57 yeah :P are you sshing into your tablet or using it directly? Jun 30 14:23:08 Using it directly Jun 30 14:23:12 ah Jun 30 14:23:13 This may be fun :) Jun 30 14:23:16 Morning gang. Jun 30 14:23:32 well rafb.net/paste should work on a n800 :P so it would be possible to copy-paste from terminal Jun 30 14:23:35 :P Jun 30 14:23:37 (or n810) Jun 30 14:23:55 ya Jun 30 14:24:08 I've been searching ITT and such for info on Einstein on the N800. Anyone here have any success with it? Jun 30 14:25:02 http://rafb.net/p/sy5y0013.html Jun 30 14:25:12 That's manually typed, so it may be wrong Jun 30 14:25:38 SDuensin: Sorry, no experience here Jun 30 14:25:45 at least none from me Jun 30 14:25:56 :-/ Thanks. Jun 30 14:26:05 Sorry Jun 30 14:26:07 I love my MessagePad 2100, but damn, it's big. Jun 30 14:26:18 Same with my Zaurus Jun 30 14:26:29 SDuensin, no kidding. Jun 30 14:26:33 It's near perfect, but a little chunky Jun 30 14:26:42 SDuensin, that's part of what makes it great, though. . . . Jun 30 14:26:45 Big enough to write on. Jun 30 14:26:51 Stskeeps: Was that the right URL? Jun 30 14:27:05 GeneralAntilles - I agree. :-) Jun 30 14:27:29 People at work keep asking me WTF I'm lugging around and if I got it from Soviet Russia. Jun 30 14:27:48 Capn_Fish: nop Jun 30 14:27:50 Ha Jun 30 14:27:56 k Jun 30 14:28:03 http://rafb.net/p/sy5yOO13.html Jun 30 14:28:05 Try that Jun 30 14:28:13 It _is_ a little bulky, though. :D Jun 30 14:28:18 There we go :) Jun 30 14:28:23 That's the right one Jun 30 14:28:23 much better Jun 30 14:28:26 SDuensin: if you got it from soviet russia, I think it would be lugging you around Jun 30 14:28:31 :-P Jun 30 14:28:45 The rubberisation also makes it awesomely impossible to get it in and out of stuff. Jun 30 14:28:47 Capn_Fish: .. okay, that's a weird error Jun 30 14:28:57 how can a mv fail cos an directory is not empty? Jun 30 14:29:00 It's lugging my wallet around. Ever since I became obsessed with Newton OS, eBay has been a very dangerous place. Jun 30 14:29:06 No ida Jun 30 14:29:08 idea Jun 30 14:29:11 Ha Jun 30 14:29:36 SDuensin: lol, same here, except with Linux devices Jun 30 14:29:55 See? Windows is good for you Jun 30 14:29:59 Capn_Fish - I had that phase already. :-D Jun 30 14:30:01 No cravings. Jun 30 14:30:32 RST38h: True, but where's the fun in not having any toys? Jun 30 14:30:41 lol . . . http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=197670&postcount=42 Jun 30 14:30:50 Capn_Fish: anything odd in dmesg? Jun 30 14:31:00 Capn_Fish: i'm inclined to blame jffs2 Jun 30 14:31:34 I'm using ext2 Jun 30 14:31:36 .. Jun 30 14:31:42 I didn't see a module for jffs2 Jun 30 14:31:52 * Stskeeps glares at that error Jun 30 14:32:03 ah Jun 30 14:32:10 Nothing wierd in dmesg. Jun 30 14:32:26 ...? Jun 30 14:32:39 try cd installer, sh refresh-base /media/mmc1 Jun 30 14:32:42 and try again Jun 30 14:32:45 k Jun 30 14:34:18 It seems to be working fine now Jun 30 14:34:42 It claims to be falling back on the 'C' locale though, that's normal? Jun 30 14:34:45 yeah Jun 30 14:34:52 wait... Jun 30 14:35:13 ouch Jun 30 14:35:22 >:( Jun 30 14:35:33 mm? Jun 30 14:35:34 I need to put telenet in my initfs >:( Jun 30 14:35:41 the locale stuff is just a matter of 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales' Jun 30 14:35:48 ya Jun 30 14:36:02 hang on. Back to the initfs-flashing :( Jun 30 14:36:40 Capn_Fish: ah - i rely on bootmenu i believe Jun 30 14:36:49 or fanoush's.. i'm not sure Jun 30 14:37:15 Probably the same. I've never used Telnet before, so I didn't include it in the initfs Jun 30 14:37:24 Bah, now I need to copy it back over... Jun 30 14:37:48 ah Jun 30 14:38:08 adding that to todo list.. not relying on utelnetd from initfs :P Jun 30 14:38:21 good plan Jun 30 14:38:24 you'll need to refresh-base again before running postdebootstrap most likely Jun 30 14:38:41 I did that pre-emptively Jun 30 14:38:43 :) Jun 30 14:40:06 the good thing in diablo is that they use only 2.6M of initfs (which is 4M now) Jun 30 14:40:16 so "mount /mnt/initfs -o remount,rw" and hack Jun 30 14:40:43 I saw the Diablo stuff on Maemo. Can you give me a single line version of just WTF it is and do I want it? Jun 30 14:40:45 Wait a minute...The kernel has jffs2 built in! Jun 30 14:40:52 It would have to :p Jun 30 14:41:08 SOrry, that just hit me Jun 30 14:41:16 SDuensin: Diablo is update to Chinook. and you probably want it. Jun 30 14:42:00 * SDuensin is always confused. Diablo is a game. Chinook is a helicopter. Jun 30 14:42:16 You are wrong Jun 30 14:42:28 Diablo is Satan, red, horned, with a pitchfork Jun 30 14:42:36 SDuensin, they're winds. Jun 30 14:42:43 Codenames like Apple's big cats. Jun 30 14:43:00 SDuensin: they're all also names of winds Jun 30 14:43:03 GA: Was poor aborted Elephanta also a wind? Jun 30 14:43:09 Freemantle was chosen because Fart sounds not as good Jun 30 14:43:13 * johnx waits for Apple to run out of names, thus resorting to "sort of an overweight tabby" Jun 30 14:43:20 If I ever make something, I shall make the codenames after legendary pimps. Jun 30 14:43:21 hehe Jun 30 14:43:36 * SDuensin uses Stargate names. :-) Jun 30 14:43:54 I do not use any sensible names Jun 30 14:44:02 johnx, I think "Snow Leopard" is pushing it Jun 30 14:44:17 heh..."Liger" maybe :D Jun 30 14:44:20 they still don't have Puma, Lynx or Lion though Jun 30 14:44:34 Lynx is a registered trademark of Atari Jun 30 14:44:42 Same is jaguar Jun 30 14:44:46 it's not an OS trademark Jun 30 14:45:09 hmn, I guess Puma and Lion are pretty well known names elsewhere too though Jun 30 14:45:09 all the same, if they decide to make a quick judicial buck... Jun 30 14:45:12 maybe they're avoiding those Jun 30 14:45:20 how do I upgrade my sbox from 4.01 to 4.1? apt-get dist-upgrade? Jun 30 14:45:20 it's not all the same Jun 30 14:45:24 pekuja - "Puma" was used. Jun 30 14:45:32 especially since Lynx died a long time ago Jun 30 14:45:36 SDuensin, well obviously Jun 30 14:45:45 SDuensin, oh, you mean for an OS? Jun 30 14:45:50 Yea. Jun 30 14:45:56 ok, I didn't know that Jun 30 14:46:11 well then obviously they're not afraid of trademarks in other fields Jun 30 14:46:13 Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard (gay) Jun 30 14:46:14 < lbt> how do I upgrade my sbox from 4.01 to 4.1? apt-get dist-upgrade? Jun 30 14:46:35 I just took the long route and removed everything :/ Jun 30 14:46:37 but yeah, it's missing Lynx and Lion Jun 30 14:46:38 pupnik: Ideally I'd like to keep a chinook target... Jun 30 14:46:47 RST38h, they're all winds. Jun 30 14:46:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephanta_%28wind%29 Jun 30 14:47:02 or Cougar Jun 30 14:47:04 Stskeeps: OK, I'm running the postdebbootstrap script (again) Jun 30 14:47:12 They've trademarked "Lynx" and "Cougar". :-) Jun 30 14:47:16 :-) Jun 30 14:47:25 heh, I guess those are coming then Jun 30 14:47:26 hmm Jun 30 14:47:40 now that I think of it, maybe Snow Leopard makes sense since they're not adding features Jun 30 14:47:55 Nokia n930 Cougar edition. for when you are taking the kids to school Jun 30 14:47:58 GA: ! Jun 30 14:48:25 Gregale they have used prematurely Jun 30 14:48:35 * SDuensin wants them to go back to "1, 2, 3, 4, etc." MUCH easier to keep track of! Jun 30 14:48:38 RST38h, don't try to find logic in their application of these codenames. Jun 30 14:48:41 There is none. Jun 30 14:48:46 hah, fun fact: a snow leopard can't roar Jun 30 14:48:53 well, so far it looks to be done in alphabetic order Jun 30 14:48:54 Any logic that they claim to apply is merely a redirection to keep you confused. Jun 30 14:49:20 Mistral, Gregale, and Scirocco would seem to say otherwise. ;) Jun 30 14:49:27 everything needs a codename, even bare rocks on mars have them Jun 30 14:49:42 it just helps us relate Jun 30 14:50:10 meh, the wlan0 of my n810 doesn't support scanning, iwlist says :/ Jun 30 14:50:20 very likely Jun 30 14:50:30 that sucks Jun 30 14:50:33 Nokia's cx3110x is missing a lot of wireless extensions Jun 30 14:50:46 hm, iwlist scan worked for me Jun 30 14:50:48 aquatix: I agree Jun 30 14:50:56 ShadowJK: odd, here it didn't Jun 30 14:51:03 * aquatix has v29 from nitapps.com Jun 30 14:51:08 I'm going to try it again Jun 30 14:51:31 Stskeeps: Debian is using v31, no? Jun 30 14:51:47 Yeesh, I didn't even know this existed: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/wiki/index.php?id=106&type=g Jun 30 14:51:53 Any plans to move stuff like that into mediawiki-proper? Jun 30 14:52:07 yep, iwlist scan works for me Jun 30 14:52:15 ShadowJK: how? Jun 30 14:52:35 dunno, i just typed "iwlist scan" and it waited awhile then gave me results... Jun 30 14:52:47 i have radio on, no network connection Jun 30 14:52:48 ShadowJK: What version of the cx3100x module are you using? Jun 30 14:52:59 Capn_Fish: how can i check? Jun 30 14:53:01 I'm connected to a wlan Jun 30 14:53:14 hm Jun 30 14:53:19 I forgot. I saw it somewhere while using Debian Jun 30 14:53:23 Give me a bit Jun 30 14:53:31 Maybe it's while insmodding or modprobing it Jun 30 14:57:19 Ryback_, oy ! Jun 30 14:57:32 Ryback_, sorry to attack you like this, but just saw you were a e17 dev Jun 30 14:57:44 say, do you know if there's anything going on with esd these days ? Jun 30 14:57:55 Stskeeps: It failed again Jun 30 14:58:02 Say, where I could find some up-to-date docs or anything ? (to the API, more exactly) Jun 30 14:58:19 Stskeeps: Apparently dbus and hal had errors while installing Jun 30 14:59:49 aquatix: Yeah, scanning works for me too Jun 30 14:59:59 I'm using Diablo, are you? Jun 30 15:01:03 crashanddie http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ Jun 30 15:01:17 Stskeeps: It's complaining about overwriting /var/run "which is also supplied by dhcp3-client" Jun 30 15:01:46 lbt, hmm ? Jun 30 15:01:48 and http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/ Jun 30 15:01:56 maemo 4.1 Diablo API References Jun 30 15:02:18 or is that for esd - sorry :) Jun 30 15:02:33 I just happened to be on that page :) Jun 30 15:02:41 hi all Jun 30 15:02:46 hey Jun 30 15:03:30 brb Jun 30 15:04:43 ~lart the boost libraries for being a pos to install and use Jun 30 15:04:44 * infobot runs at the boost libraries with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut for being a pos to install and use Jun 30 15:07:12 qwerty12: also POS to build Jun 30 15:07:40 Stskeeps: You still here? Jun 30 15:07:50 hrw, someone's already built them for maemo, not sure if they work well from what I am seeing here :/ Jun 30 15:08:53 qwerty12: building boost under scratchbox is weird way of crosscompiling rather Jun 30 15:09:32 I gave up trying to build boost under sbox, I don't have the time or the skills :/ Jun 30 15:10:27 Yep, these don't go well: ERROR: Source object /usr/lib/libboost_filesystem.so has EABI version 5, but target has EABI version 4 Jun 30 15:10:27 . May as well try again :/ Jun 30 15:10:50 I have to try with poky Jun 30 15:12:40 Old but fun: http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/files/2007/02/hildon-desktop-scaled-thumb.jpg Jun 30 15:13:12 Why would you want to do that? Jun 30 15:13:26 I'm spending enought time trying to get RID of hildon! Jun 30 15:13:32 ah yeah, the resolution independent hildon-desktop they were working on Jun 30 15:13:35 I have my reservations with hildon on the tablet, f*** using it on the desktop. Jun 30 15:13:39 Capn_Fish, some of us *like* hildon Jun 30 15:13:42 Capn_Fish, why would you want to do that? Jun 30 15:13:44 johnx++ Jun 30 15:14:03 lol Jun 30 15:14:14 Capn_Fish: I think it is better than everything else for a tablet sized device. Jun 30 15:14:17 Why have candy-coated Linux when you can have pure Linux? Jun 30 15:14:26 qwerty12, well, the idea is to illustrate scalability. ;) Jun 30 15:14:40 Capn_Fish, because "pure" Linux sucks ass for finger input. ;) Jun 30 15:14:40 Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, I suppose... Jun 30 15:14:41 Capn_Fish: I don't want to have full linux distro on my tablet or phone. I want a useable desktop. Jun 30 15:14:43 Capn_Fish, cause I can *actually* freaking use it without a stylus, without messing up and hitting the wrong thing Jun 30 15:15:27 Capn_Fish, you do realize my original goal of debian on the n8x0 was to have debian apps running in the hildon desktop, right? Jun 30 15:15:39 I don't care so much for "finger input," and I have the keyboard on the N810, so "real" Linux is more appealing to me Jun 30 15:15:48 sp3000: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ is syncing :) Jun 30 15:15:49 johnx, sounds like the chroot stuff now :/ Jun 30 15:15:53 And I can compile and run whatever app I want without modification Jun 30 15:15:58 this may take a while :) Jun 30 15:16:11 whee! Jun 30 15:16:22 qwerty12, I'm a purist. :P Jun 30 15:16:31 Heh Jun 30 15:16:44 GeneralAntilles: Is wiki speed better now? Jun 30 15:16:58 Capn_Fish, that was the other goal, but that's not a hildon problem, so much as a distribution problem Jun 30 15:17:16 Capn_Fish: I want more customisable hildon but still hildon Jun 30 15:17:52 hrw johnx: All I want is Fluxbox/EvilWM :) Jun 30 15:17:57 I want more applets visible in the statusbar, that is my ultimate pisstake with hildon-desktop. I looked at the source but don't understand jack shit of it :/ Jun 30 15:18:17 qwerty12: I want os2007 like menus Jun 30 15:18:23 Another reason to love other WMs Jun 30 15:18:25 I did find the file responsible for the statusbar, I made a little change and nothing shows >.< Jun 30 15:18:32 X-Fade, a little, still getting the "lost network connection", though. :( Jun 30 15:18:34 ouch Jun 30 15:18:44 hrw, port some maemo-af-desktop code from bora :/ Jun 30 15:18:58 qwerty12: or rather hack hildon-desktop Jun 30 15:19:22 That shouldn't be too hard, even maybe me could try :/ Jun 30 15:19:22 GeneralAntilles: I haven't seen that. Can you past the error somewhere? Jun 30 15:19:27 qwerty12: at least that is open Jun 30 15:19:33 I'm not really in love with the whole hildon-desktop, but hildonized apps and matchbox wm overall seem reasonable to me Jun 30 15:20:21 johnx: I would like to have something usable for that desktop - now I keep it clean Jun 30 15:20:47 X-Fade, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 Jun 30 15:21:26 hrw, I actually like matchbox desktop for the most part Jun 30 15:22:01 johnx: matchbox-desktop 1.x or 2.x? Jun 30 15:22:04 GeneralAntilles: But that error is not generated by the wiki right? It is just your browser telling you that? Jun 30 15:22:11 Right Jun 30 15:22:13 hrw, whatever was on angstrom 2007.12 Jun 30 15:22:20 johnx: old 1.x one Jun 30 15:22:26 johnx: I do not like it Jun 30 15:22:29 * johnx googles for the new one Jun 30 15:22:34 lol Jun 30 15:22:36 johnx: 2.x (used in Poky) is better Jun 30 15:22:37 Over http it's an actual server error Jun 30 15:22:42 GeneralAntilles: Ok I thought that you were mentioning another problem ;) Jun 30 15:22:43 Capn_Fish: yes, sorry, was making pizza :P Jun 30 15:22:48 np Jun 30 15:22:48 anyway, for people interested in seeing what files will be available (warning, this may kill your browser), you're free to load http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/find?string=x Jun 30 15:22:51 Pizza's worth it Jun 30 15:22:53 something along the lines of "lost connection with 127.0.0.1" or or similar. Jun 30 15:23:14 Stskeeps: Anyway, it failed on installing dbus and hal Jun 30 15:23:25 Capn_Fish: hmm. pastebin again? Jun 30 15:23:26 hrw, ah, actually I tried poky, but I didn't like the desktop as much. there's no need for icons to be bigger than my thumbs Jun 30 15:23:31 kk Jun 30 15:23:45 Capn_Fish: this is debian sid though so things may break:) Jun 30 15:23:52 johnx: thats the matter of configuring probably Jun 30 15:23:56 Things work on my Z Jun 30 15:24:24 Capn_Fish, did you do the debian install on your Z today? Jun 30 15:25:07 No Jun 30 15:25:11 Point taken Jun 30 15:25:37 Stskeeps: http://rafb.net/p/IoBces79.html Jun 30 15:25:39 I've been following debian sid for a long time. There are many interesting ways for things to break :) Jun 30 15:25:57 There always are Jun 30 15:26:40 Capn_Fish: wtf @ that error though Jun 30 15:27:06 The overwriting thing? Jun 30 15:27:08 yeah Jun 30 15:27:18 .. and again, why does dhcp3-client provide var/run? :> Jun 30 15:27:34 No idea Jun 30 15:27:37 yeah, that doesn't sound right :) Jun 30 15:27:41 Hi, i installed qemu and I get new error in launching af-sb-init: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherFontconfig error: Cannot load default config file Jun 30 15:28:47 Capn_Fish: yeah, diablo Jun 30 15:28:51 * aquatix was afk Jun 30 15:28:54 and again, going home Jun 30 15:29:04 k Jun 30 15:29:10 Well, it works for me Jun 30 15:30:24 Arggh, boost wants g++4.0, off I go to get cs2008 toolchain for sb1 >.< Jun 30 15:30:32 sp3000: that web url is killing my browser Jun 30 15:30:43 Capn_Fish: i'll just see if my debootstrap fails - i guess it's in post bootstrap this messes up+ Jun 30 15:30:46 ? Jun 30 15:30:50 keesj, :) thanks for the vmware appliance, ill grab it later and hopefully replace the one ive got here. Jun 30 15:30:53 ya Jun 30 15:30:58 OK Jun 30 15:31:06 I can wait :) Jun 30 15:32:31 * timeless sighs, xref is 650mb of which rsync has sent 150mb. this will take a while :) Jun 30 15:32:46 Capn_Fish: try apt-get update; and try again? Jun 30 15:33:13 OK Jun 30 15:33:15 hang om Jun 30 15:34:22 (maybe apt-get upgrade too if dhcp3-client has a problem) Jun 30 15:35:30 will do Jun 30 15:38:11 Stskeeps: apt-get upgrade says there are broken deps, do an apt-get -f install, which gives the original error while trying to install gnome-device-manager, hal, and dbus Jun 30 15:38:31 brb, dinner Jun 30 15:39:06 k Jun 30 15:39:21 if apt-get install hal gives a problem relating to dhcp3-client it sounds like a debian issue or something :P Jun 30 15:42:01 Ya Jun 30 15:43:13 WTF. Jun 30 15:43:26 looking in the package file list here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/armel/dhcp3-client/filelist Jun 30 15:43:39 it says that /var/run is NOT used by dhcp3-client Jun 30 15:43:43 >:( Jun 30 15:44:29 hmm, /var/run shouldn't be supplied by any package unless maybe lsb-base or similar Jun 30 15:45:17 Hmm Jun 30 15:45:41 so we've got at least two packages providing a file that shouldn't be provided by either of them Jun 30 15:45:44 Lovely. Jun 30 15:46:21 well, maybe I'm confused, but I really think /var/run is the kind of thing that should be there even without a dhcp client or hal Jun 30 15:46:24 Ah... /var/run is a symlink to /tmp/.run Jun 30 15:46:32 I just removed it, we'll see how this ends Jun 30 15:47:10 BTW does anybody know howto install gnupg to n810? Jun 30 15:47:28 DarkenCZ: Maybe you want to try Debian? Jun 30 15:47:36 DarkenCZ, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18168 ? Jun 30 15:47:40 once we figure out how to get the install working, that is? Jun 30 15:47:45 Capn_Fish: I don't! but I afraid i will have :((( Jun 30 15:47:46 DarkenCZ, the package gnupg is installed by default, right? Jun 30 15:48:07 johnx: I don't think so Jun 30 15:48:12 johnx, that's osso-gnupg iirc and according to that page, it's bascially handicapped Jun 30 15:48:18 run apt-cache policy gnupg Jun 30 15:49:06 gnupg: Jun 30 15:49:07 Installed: 1.4.6-2maemo1 Jun 30 15:49:07 Candidate: 1.4.6-2maemo1 Jun 30 15:49:07 Version table: Jun 30 15:49:07 *** 1.4.6-2maemo1 0 Jun 30 15:49:09 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages Jun 30 15:49:12 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Jun 30 15:49:15 Now I am confused :) Jun 30 15:49:40 The problem with maemo-users is that there aren't enough intelligent people replying to offset the overwhelming stupidity. . . . Jun 30 15:49:59 GeneralAntilles, hey now... Jun 30 15:50:25 shame on me Jun 30 15:50:40 DarkenCZ, don't worry about it. Why did you think you didn't have it? Jun 30 15:50:40 Who here wanted Einstein? Jun 30 15:50:53 Are there any recommended options when using diff to make a patch file? Jun 30 15:51:01 johnx, have you SEEN the threads that go on on -users?! :P Jun 30 15:51:13 qwerty12, diff -urN maybe? Jun 30 15:51:19 johnx: Becouse i was trying to find package in every repository and I found only some old ones for os2007 Jun 30 15:51:20 GeneralAntilles, aaaah...I missed the '-' Jun 30 15:51:27 SDuensin: Still here? Jun 30 15:51:29 johnx, ta Jun 30 15:51:37 Yea Jun 30 15:51:47 I need to establish mail client with pgp support... and in best case, jabber with pgp support :) Jun 30 15:51:48 Still looking for einstein? Jun 30 15:51:56 http://dillernet.com/apple/2007/07/28/openeinstein-build-48-for-nokia-770/ Jun 30 15:51:59 Yes! Jun 30 15:52:00 Also, the wikipedia Hildon article now has less suck: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon Jun 30 15:52:05 Will that run on an 800? Jun 30 15:52:07 No idea if it will work, though Jun 30 15:52:15 But you can try :) Jun 30 15:52:21 I will. :-) Jun 30 15:52:30 * SDuensin needs to get his 2100 ROM yanked. Jun 30 15:52:48 Enjoy (hopefully) Jun 30 15:55:02 Does somebody have mail client which support pgp? Jun 30 15:55:19 Maybe Claws Mail? Jun 30 15:55:48 There should exist gnupg plugin for claws mail, but I didn't find it avaiable for maemo Jun 30 15:56:07 Hmm... Jun 30 15:58:02 Ok, a little far fetched but instead of doing it by hand, is there a program that can "scan" patch files and remove any lines that conflict with each other/are the same? Jun 30 15:58:20 Maybe I can install Debian or Ubuntu to virtual computer and try to play with scratchbox there? Jun 30 15:58:32 Probably Jun 30 15:58:33 Find yourself a bitch. Jun 30 16:00:44 GAN800, I'd love to, but you're not coming to MaemoCon, so phat chance of meeting you :P Jun 30 16:01:09 ooh, bitchslapped Jun 30 16:01:22 ooh netsplit Jun 30 16:01:32 clarke got bitchslapped, too Jun 30 16:02:30 Anyone know what happened to skyhusker's svn? Jun 30 16:02:31 Is it just me, or did a bunch of packages just get icons in Application manager? Jun 30 16:03:09 notice how he changes subject :P Jun 30 16:03:28 Tis the way of the bitch :p Jun 30 16:05:35 how to f up a conversation Jun 30 16:05:40 luckily, we didn't have much of one Jun 30 16:05:46 I blame you. Jun 30 16:05:55 MaemoCon sounds like an anime convention. Jun 30 16:05:58 I will never admit anything Jun 30 16:06:14 it there libossosettings? Jun 30 16:06:14 GeneralAntilles, I'm thinking it might end up finishing like one Jun 30 16:06:25 GeneralAntilles, thousands of geeks coming together, only 2 getting laid Jun 30 16:06:32 Ha Jun 30 16:09:32 i'd like to get 14 days on idle.. hell, i'd like to get the battery to survive idling overnight! Jun 30 16:09:49 Mousey: mine does Jun 30 16:09:51 * qwerty12 finally believes in british film industry after watching adulthood again Jun 30 16:09:53 what sort of apps have you got installed? Jun 30 16:09:54 * Mousey cries Jun 30 16:09:55 omweather? Jun 30 16:09:58 yah Jun 30 16:10:10 I'm not pointing any fingers, or anything, but... Jun 30 16:10:21 I'd suggest uninstalling it and seeing if the battery life improves or not Jun 30 16:10:27 sigh Jun 30 16:10:30 Mousey, something's broken if you don't get at least 2 days idle on wifi. Jun 30 16:10:40 great Jun 30 16:10:52 There's a couple bugs that cover most of the suspects and there's a thread on -users or -developers Jun 30 16:11:03 apps that wake up the CPU several times a second are usually to blame Jun 30 16:11:07 well i'm on diablo now Jun 30 16:11:08 Make sure neither of your cards are corrupted and make sure you don't have anything eating cpu in the background. Jun 30 16:11:11 mousey : totally with you here, my 810 is dead as a dodo and i think something kept hold last night because normally without wifi i can last Jun 30 16:11:26 though my wifi drains it quicker than a thirsty australian in a pub Jun 30 16:11:35 See if modest and browser aren't sucking cpu like a bitch in diablo. Jun 30 16:11:35 yah, if i [remember to] put it in offline it lasts a bit longer Jun 30 16:11:44 lol, lcuk, just get a real router already. <_< Jun 30 16:11:45 * Mousey doesn't use modest, no client side filters Jun 30 16:12:07 no GeneralAntilles :) im happy, and now in the last coiuple of months its only been dead twice Jun 30 16:12:15 Pfft Jun 30 16:12:16 (at least since i got back from linuxtag) Jun 30 16:12:21 Mousey, Doesn't matter. When I was using diablo betas, I had no email account configured whatsoever but modest would like run as daemon still. Turn off updating in it's settings. Jun 30 16:12:34 wtf Jun 30 16:12:37 * Mousey uninstalls it Jun 30 16:12:50 mousey, best thing for none wifi batterylife: turn down the screen brightness as far as you are comfortable with Jun 30 16:13:04 its no use it glowing like the sun when its tucked in its pouch ;0 Jun 30 16:13:06 ;) Jun 30 16:13:14 i always do that Jun 30 16:13:28 locking the keyboard should prevent it from glowing... Jun 30 16:13:40 it's ubuntu good distro to play with scratchbox? Jun 30 16:13:45 i have mine 2 notches from top all the time, and ive customised acmonitor to knock down my cpu to ondemand when i disco0pnnect from power Jun 30 16:13:54 i do that too Jun 30 16:14:06 mgedmin, it does normally, but locking doesnt always turn the screen off Jun 30 16:14:10 watch a movie and try it... Jun 30 16:14:11 acmonitor? Jun 30 16:14:15 oh? it usually does for me Jun 30 16:14:18 DarkenCZ, Mandriva/Ubuntu/Fedora/Debian are good distros.... Distro doesn't matter.... =) Jun 30 16:14:30 wow, why does apt-get remove modest wanna remove half my install? Jun 30 16:14:40 Maybe because it's part of the os now? Jun 30 16:14:44 I usually don't let my pockets watch any movies :) Jun 30 16:14:45 Well, I have gentoo, but I want something what use apt-get :) Jun 30 16:14:47 communist! Jun 30 16:14:47 mgedmin, :) i have been able to draw on the screen with liqbase with it locked in the past Jun 30 16:14:56 lol mgedmin depends what kinds of movies Jun 30 16:15:01 * Mousey tries apt-get acrobatics to trick it Jun 30 16:15:10 Mousey: what if you just go to email preferences and disable periodic checking? Jun 30 16:15:15 ^ Jun 30 16:15:27 DarkenCZ: Networking from a VM can be odd, FWIW Jun 30 16:15:30 mousey: sudo apt-get acrobatics Jun 30 16:15:31 Turn off updating in it's settings. Jun 30 16:15:34 DarkenCZ, I use debian virtual machine to play with SB... Jun 30 16:15:38 * mgedmin hands DarkenCZ a Ubuntu CD Jun 30 16:15:54 rats Jun 30 16:15:58 libosso-email-interface is the culprit Jun 30 16:16:05 apparently it has a dependency on modest Jun 30 16:16:06 * lcuk hasnt even setup email on his tablet Jun 30 16:16:10 ^ Jun 30 16:16:13 i haven't either Jun 30 16:16:19 Me neither Jun 30 16:16:21 DarkenCZ: for best results use a 32-bit version of Ubuntu and know to do 'sudo sysctl -w vm.vdso_enabled=0 vm.mmap_min_addr=4096' before you try to log into scratchbox Jun 30 16:16:22 otherwise it works fine Jun 30 16:16:25 is this a diablo thing then? Jun 30 16:16:27 Good old www.gmail.com is fine for me. Jun 30 16:16:27 * Mousey checks in email prefs for periodic checking Jun 30 16:16:38 I personally use mail.google.com Jun 30 16:16:40 lcuk: nah, i've never really had good battery life Jun 30 16:16:46 lcuk: yes, diablo switched to Modest instead of the old crappy email client Jun 30 16:16:49 i personally use mail.ross154.net Jun 30 16:16:55 it's mine, no corporation owns my email Jun 30 16:16:58 mgedmin: thank you, thats what I want to here :) Jun 30 16:17:02 nice Jun 30 16:17:18 mousey, what kind of wifi basestation have you got, cos i use adhoc wifi dongle on desktop pc, GeneralAntilles swears it drains battery and i believe him (for once :P ) Jun 30 16:17:50 and whats the battery life like in offline mode Jun 30 16:17:59 AdHoc doesn't support powersaving. Jun 30 16:18:10 shitfuck, I'm now going to have to compare by hand, a 5.1MB patch against a 4.1MB patch. Someone pull the trigger :( Jun 30 16:18:12 no, cos its trying to be a server all the time Jun 30 16:18:18 thats why i use it when im plugged in Jun 30 16:18:23 Mousey, make sure your cards aren't corrupt. Jun 30 16:19:01 qwerty12, you just lost extra merit marks, "shitfuck" is not correct, you should capitalize and punctuate your swearing "Shit, Fuck!" Jun 30 16:19:19 How about no? Jun 30 16:19:36 lcuk, fail Jun 30 16:19:45 http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9knwA2L8GaFk8fQAYZW_SaONq4Q Jun 30 16:19:46 shitfuck is much more creative. Jun 30 16:20:01 but it wont get you any marks in your English exam Jun 30 16:20:31 qwerty12: interdiff? Jun 30 16:21:41 mgedmin, thank you. Looks like this could help :) Jun 30 16:21:51 Wow, carrier-specific Maemo releases? O_o http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21450 Jun 30 16:22:30 Meh, I've had N800-666-qwerty12 pimp :P Jun 30 16:23:48 osso-email-interface/trunk/ Jun 30 16:23:59 sry Jun 30 16:24:34 GAN800, that is really crazy O_o Jun 30 16:25:02 I guess it's just some creative repackaging by Singtel's resident Linux guru...probably a custom desktop and home page Jun 30 16:25:19 I know a way to change the version, just need to see if the version returned by mplayer says singtel too :/ Jun 30 16:26:18 I wonder what sudo osso-product-info would print on that Singtel image Jun 30 16:37:47 Anyone got any idea how to install non-maemo debian/ubuntu packages into a diablo sbox? (specifically ddd) Jun 30 16:38:28 It's probably just easier to download the source and diif from the same page in the left and compile that. Jun 30 16:38:49 Failing that, repack the armel deb with dependencies removed and hope for the best. Jun 30 16:39:32 qwerty12: did that - ddd depends on Motif... Jun 30 16:39:37 didn't want to go there.. Jun 30 16:40:36 I added deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main to sources.list but get keyring issues Jun 30 16:40:52 was wondering if I could add an ubunut repository Jun 30 16:41:19 since I'm running the x86 target (which works fine for me) Jun 30 16:44:24 DAEMONS EATING MY BATTERY! NEED A CATHOLIC PRIESTGRAMMER! Jun 30 16:44:43 * qwerty12 gets my fedora hat on Jun 30 16:44:51 Will a pimp do? Jun 30 16:45:46 Guess not, playa hater :( Jun 30 16:46:07 Capn_Fish: hald installed for me Jun 30 16:47:34 odd, if i connect to a wifi network, iwlist scan works Jun 30 16:47:50 but i want it without connecting :) Jun 30 16:48:07 bye Jun 30 16:51:20 ...whatever Steve Jobs does is right. And so, since the iPhone currently has no keyboard on it, it must logically follow that it is wrong to have a keyboard, and therefore that Steve Jobs will never produce a version that does have a keyboard. Jun 30 16:52:58 um, apple laptops have keyboards! Jun 30 16:53:08 therefore it logically follows that sometimes it is okay to have a keyboard Jun 30 16:53:52 aquatix: on my laptop iwlist scan returns results from the last scan (if any), while sudo iwlist scan also tells the wifi driver to perform the scan right now Jun 30 16:53:56 ... I think Jun 30 16:54:04 mgedmin: in a laptop Jun 30 16:54:08 I love how the iPhone's keyboard lags when the device is under load. Jun 30 16:54:33 which leads us to conclusion that whenever iPhone gets a keyboard, it will be renamed into a laptop Jun 30 16:54:47 GAN: N8x0 is no exception to this Jun 30 16:54:53 BT keyboard lag terribly Jun 30 16:54:57 why aren't macbooks called iLaptop Jun 30 16:55:02 s/keyboard/keyboards/ Jun 30 16:55:02 RST38h meant: BT keyboards lag terribly Jun 30 16:55:12 That's consistent. Jun 30 16:55:19 Not load-dependent. Jun 30 16:55:26 mgedmin: 'cause iBook sounds more important Jun 30 16:55:29 mac portables arent called laptops, because they arent laptops... Jun 30 16:55:40 mgedmin, that went out with PowerPC. Jun 30 16:55:43 GAN: I have traced it down to the amount of stuff being redrawn Jun 30 16:55:54 someone in the land of hope and glory burns his nads on a scolding apple and thusly its no more laptop, avoid the lap Jun 30 16:55:59 its a portable computer dammit Jun 30 16:56:14 May be wrong of course, but it definitely feels like the more GTK widgets you have on the screen the more it lags Jun 30 16:56:30 [correction: not the number of widgets drawn but the totan number of widgets, seemingly] Jun 30 16:56:43 aquatix, maybe if you ifconfig wlan0 up first? Jun 30 16:56:54 anyone noticed a faster battery drain with diablo than chinook? Jun 30 16:56:56 RST38h, Tried renicing hcid or similar? (I say this, not ever having used a bt keyboard) Jun 30 16:57:11 qwerty: I did not Jun 30 16:57:28 qwerty: If you have a recipe of how to do it, shoot =) Jun 30 16:57:39 Ave, incidental. Jun 30 16:57:53 Ave: It is most likely Modest Jun 30 16:58:09 renice -20 `pidof hcid` (as root) ? :/ Jun 30 16:58:11 Ave: It has a habit of hanging up in memory eating 100% CPU Jun 30 16:58:24 -20 is highest priority iirc Jun 30 16:58:28 aha Jun 30 16:58:35 let's try... Jun 30 17:00:06 renice 0 `pidof hcid` may be a nicer value to use Jun 30 17:00:29 yikes, renice Jun 30 17:03:56 RST38h: aah the new email client you mean Jun 30 17:04:27 incidentally I just took the time to configure it and bang there goes my battery, so could be Jun 30 17:05:53 Ave: disable automatic email fetch Jun 30 17:05:59 * Mousey turns off the email update interval Jun 30 17:06:09 qwerty: -20 freezes touch ui Jun 30 17:06:32 qwerty: 0 seems to improve things a bit Jun 30 17:06:46 RST38h: does that also disable the new mail notifi ations Jun 30 17:07:30 RST38h, Cool, try going down in -20 and see which value works well Jun 30 17:07:33 Ave, take a guess. :P Jun 30 17:07:51 -5 feels better Jun 30 17:09:12 GeneralAntilles: thats the only funxtion I use the intgernal mail client for ... Jun 30 17:09:40 penguinb8 u there? Jun 30 17:10:08 still lags Jun 30 17:10:44 -10 feels better Jun 30 17:10:52 Is dputing stuff on chinook-extras-devel currenlty borked ? Jun 30 17:10:59 ui works Jun 30 17:11:47 no it still lags Jun 30 17:11:59 I do not think it has anything to do with bt keyboard. Jun 30 17:12:06 Looks like it is related to gtk event loop Jun 30 17:17:28 RST38h, how many devices have you got connected to bt? Jun 30 17:17:41 ShadowJK: yeah, thought about that :) Jun 30 17:17:47 1 Jun 30 17:17:53 and what app are you testing it in, because i notice repeaaaaaaaating letters when the cpu is busy Jun 30 17:18:03 but actual lag is minimal Jun 30 17:18:12 I had to reboot. Modest went nuts again, even although I explicitely disabled mail fetch Jun 30 17:18:14 * mgedmin also used to see repeaaaaaaaaaaaating letters on BT keyboards Jun 30 17:18:20 when the CPU was quite idle Jun 30 17:18:22 lcuk: xterm and xchat Jun 30 17:18:24 is it laggy if you reboot and go directly to the notes thingy Jun 30 17:18:32 checking Jun 30 17:18:37 no other apps, complete baseline Jun 30 17:18:42 or at least I hadn't noticed CPU busyness Jun 30 17:19:16 notes lags Jun 30 17:19:24 no other apps Jun 30 17:19:25 mgedmin, it appears to be timing related, the cpu might show 0% or not doing anything, but there is a stutter like a heartbeat about 3 times a second Jun 30 17:19:33 Mhuwhahahahahahahaha Jun 30 17:19:35 Capn_Fish: did you manage to solve it? Jun 30 17:19:41 quick question: when cloning to external card, what is the FAT partition used for? Jun 30 17:19:47 RST38h, what extra applets have you got installed? Jun 30 17:19:51 20/20 written english exam, 20/20 oral english exam Jun 30 17:19:52 :D Jun 30 17:19:57 Atarii: to make sure maemo doesn't bitch at unreadable SD Jun 30 17:19:57 :P Jun 30 17:20:04 thats good crashanddie, shame it was a french exam Jun 30 17:20:13 oh ok thanks Jun 30 17:20:15 well Jun 30 17:20:16 search,rss (no scroll),omweather,clock,radio Jun 30 17:20:22 I guess it kinda invalidates the grade Jun 30 17:20:32 try turning off and seeing, it might be a specific one Jun 30 17:20:58 * lcuk has clock as only addin Jun 30 17:21:46 * lcuk personally thinks the clock refreshes every 1/3 second (otherwise you can get in a situation where it displays wrong) Jun 30 17:23:15 back after t Jun 30 17:24:37 Modest menu no longer shows up Jun 30 17:25:16 It appears and immediately disappears. I guess @%$%^#$ program is pissed at my turning automatic mail fetch off Jun 30 17:26:05 you hurt it's feelings Jun 30 17:26:19 its feelings Jun 30 17:26:22 it is now bodily harm turn... Jun 30 17:26:30 POW POW Jun 30 17:26:49 (That song is an LDN classic) Jun 30 17:27:33 Kate's blog post broke the front page. Jun 30 17:27:36 RST38h, new iNES coming out any time soon? Jun 30 17:27:57 GeneralAntilles, women Jun 30 17:28:17 Can't live w/out them, can't live with them. Jun 30 17:28:48 qwerty12, we're not living with 'em, she stills fucks up our front page Jun 30 17:29:01 Ha Jun 30 17:29:12 In that case, iit's time for armshouse Jun 30 17:30:43 GeneralAntilles: Hm yeah, that is in need of a fix :) Jun 30 17:31:02 Navi: MasterGear first Jun 30 17:31:07 mmk Jun 30 17:33:22 Ok, here is a story Jun 30 17:33:27 once upon a time Jun 30 17:33:33 It looks like connecting bt keyboard breaks modest Jun 30 17:33:50 After I connect, then disconnect keyboard, Modest stops showing its menu Jun 30 17:33:52 oh shit, when's da sequal, this book is too shit Jun 30 17:33:55 *sick Jun 30 17:34:04 I'm so used to swearing :( Jun 30 17:34:18 I type the cursed words w/out even realising :/ Jun 30 17:39:04 Hmm, what is scratchbox's arm-eabi-gcc equivalent? Jun 30 17:42:41 qwerty12: what are you reading? Jun 30 17:44:11 would anybody happen to know what installs /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core.dpkg-new file? Jun 30 17:44:26 as in.. where to file bugreports? Jun 30 17:44:53 I used the maemo-installers to install Jun 30 17:46:43 I saw the kid that kate has a picture of at ltag, he was floating around the entire time. reminded me of the IBM linux adverts Jun 30 17:46:50 tlax, .dpkg-new files are intermediate files by dpkg during installation :) Jun 30 18:05:10 well that figures why i was able to blow my whole calendar syncing gpe. gpe had higher priority on "correctness" then my computer :S Jun 30 18:06:58 i try again today since i got no reply last night... wil lfuture upgrades of apps and such be diablo only or chinopok too? Jun 30 18:07:15 they're compatible. Jun 30 18:07:21 thank god Jun 30 18:07:23 basically Jun 30 18:07:35 my osso backup doesnt work so i dont want to upgrade Jun 30 18:09:13 hmm, anyone else having trouble getting passwordless logins working with openssh after diablo? Jun 30 18:10:02 Try lussh? Jun 30 18:10:28 ? Jun 30 18:10:41 t_s_o: No, it's working fine for me Jun 30 18:10:52 It's a nice little script to set up keys for you. Jun 30 18:11:30 GAN800: meh, dont like scripts for this stuff. they usually have some assumptions or other of what state things are in before they start Jun 30 18:16:08 bah, i copy the .pub as tolk but i still get the password prompt when trying to log in... Jun 30 18:16:32 t_s_o: where do you copy it? Jun 30 18:16:42 everything works for me just great Jun 30 18:16:49 passwordless ssh-key logins everywhere Jun 30 18:16:52 .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the tablet Jun 30 18:17:10 You set up the key correctly? Jun 30 18:17:10 fwiw you can ditch the 2, just .ssh/authorized_keys is fine Jun 30 18:17:18 usually the problem is directory permissions Jun 30 18:17:23 try chmod 600 ~/.ssh Jun 30 18:17:31 and if that doesn't help, chmod g-w ~ Jun 30 18:19:34 are you sure its supposed to be 600? Jun 30 18:20:35 heh, was the access rights on the .ssh dir indeed. when all but user was stripped of rights, it works :) Jun 30 18:20:45 its allways the smallest things... Jun 30 18:25:12 t_s_o: no, it's 700 actually, sorry Jun 30 18:25:18 u=rwx, others = nothing Jun 30 18:25:33 that i discovered ;) Jun 30 18:27:49 Stskeeps: Back yet? Jun 30 18:31:33 where is python installed installed in scratchbox? I have /usr/bin/python linked to /usr/bin/python2.5 but python reports version 2.3? Jun 30 18:32:33 try "which python" Jun 30 18:32:56 I knew there was a command for it but the name escaped me, thanks Jun 30 18:33:20 For those that want to know its in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python Jun 30 18:34:55 No problem Jun 30 18:35:16 say, why doesn't the youtube plugin for canola work... anyone had a similar experience (diablo. just black screen) Jun 30 18:36:41 silly question: any console app that can tell me whether my gps got a fix already? Jun 30 18:37:02 Ev'ning, all Jun 30 18:37:07 not that I know of Jun 30 18:37:10 hey jaffa Jun 30 18:37:16 crashanddie, mplayer oddness maybe? Jun 30 18:37:24 Hey, Jaffa. Jun 30 18:38:08 hmm, could be Jun 30 18:38:15 telnet localhost gpsd? Jun 30 18:38:34 um where can I get telnet for diablo? Jun 30 18:38:45 or netcat? Jun 30 18:39:03 gronmayer? . . . Jun 30 18:39:08 mgedmin: 'ang on, there's a netcat package in mud Jun 30 18:39:15 what an amazing game :D http://puzzlefarter.com/ Jun 30 18:39:15 stuck? Jun 30 18:39:20 :) Jun 30 18:39:25 tsk :) Jun 30 18:39:41 * mgedmin once got his car stuck in mud while following maemo mapper's route directions Jun 30 18:42:31 mgedmin: I would upload it, but garage.maemo.org is doing that "lost connection" thing again Jun 30 18:43:32 Why is it that when I install python2.5 inside of scratchbox, running 'python' still results in it using the 2.3 version? Does python 2.3 need to be removed? Jun 30 18:44:21 You could just run python2.5 Jun 30 18:44:46 but I want to package an app up Jun 30 18:44:59 You could just run python2.5 Jun 30 18:45:02 So? Jun 30 18:45:05 SOrry about that Jun 30 18:45:22 Just link python2.5 to python Jun 30 18:45:39 Stskeeps: No? Jun 30 18:45:41 JamieBennett, scratchbox uses python for internal commands Jun 30 18:45:48 in the device you can use python Jun 30 18:46:08 Imoura: Ah that makes sence Jun 30 18:47:02 Is there an easy way to gain root under scratchbox? Jun 30 18:47:32 use fakeroot Jun 30 18:47:41 usually it suffices Jun 30 18:49:59 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ Jun 30 18:50:02 "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." Jun 30 18:50:03 I only see 0.6 available. Jun 30 18:50:06 what's up with that? Jun 30 18:54:31 Stskeeps: If you get this, X11 gets NO input (touchscreen or kb, running as new user, either startx or xinit), and I'm off. Jun 30 18:55:03 Stskeeps: Oh, and the keymap.map I gave you is TOTALLY broken. I already updated the Wiki Jun 30 18:59:50 Hi, can anyone help me with e2fsprogs installation? I can't seem to find the right repository for it Jun 30 19:01:01 Hi, I am sorry for annoying you again, but can I ask who is defender and what parents does he like? :) I have this error when start meamo-launcher defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be Jun 30 19:01:05 maemo-launcher: error rising the oom shield for pid=15818 status=2816 Jun 30 19:05:49 overall i must admit, i'm pleased with the devil Jun 30 19:05:53 uh, i mean with diablo Jun 30 19:06:05 :) Jun 30 19:06:21 I'm not with the diablo SDK :( Jun 30 19:09:36 JamieBennett: I can't compare, it's first SDK I am trying to install Jun 30 19:13:05 DarkenCZ: how did you get that error? Jun 30 19:13:33 I am tried to start maemo-launcher Jun 30 19:13:38 whatever for? Jun 30 19:14:35 there are parent and child processes. Jun 30 19:14:42 maybe it's related. Jun 30 19:14:47 and when parent processes love each other very much, ... Jun 30 19:15:13 Well, when I started af-sb-init.sh then I saw that maemo-launcher failed Jun 30 19:15:15 they use dbus Jun 30 19:15:18 :) Jun 30 19:15:58 http://blip.tv/file/1015028 l... m.... f..... a...... o........ Jun 30 19:16:09 l.m.F.a.o Jun 30 19:17:36 so I tryed to execute /usr/bin/maemo-launcher Jun 30 19:17:39 and get this error Jun 30 19:21:30 DarkenCZ: did you do that in the x86 or in the armel target Jun 30 19:21:51 armel target Jun 30 19:22:02 that won't work Jun 30 19:22:09 I am sorry, maybe I miss something important with these targets Jun 30 19:22:14 qemu is not complete enough to get the gui running Jun 30 19:22:22 I believe the maemo tutorial mentions that Jun 30 19:22:44 af-sb-init.sh is only supposed to work in x86 targets Jun 30 19:22:47 Which tutorial do you mean? I saw many various tutorial today :) Jun 30 19:22:49 which is a bit of a bother Jun 30 19:22:53 since I don't have any ;) Jun 30 19:23:03 4 targets are quite sufficient thank you (mistral bora chinook diablo) Jun 30 19:23:04 I don't want 8 Jun 30 19:23:20 the Maemo Tutorial on maemo.org Jun 30 19:24:30 All I want to do is to establish sdk and be able to compile and make my own packages... I killed whole day trying to set up scratchbox Jun 30 19:28:13 I used scratchbox and maemo scripts I found on maemo.org, but I don't have all software which is present on n810 Jun 30 19:28:20 DarkenCZ, there are a couple of prebuilt vmware images floating around at the moment which you could have a look at and see whats different to yours. hell you could just use them and compile happily for a while without all this. ive just downloaded a 4.1 image uploaded by keesj http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1282 Jun 30 19:30:10 lcuk: Thank you very much, I will try it Jun 30 19:31:22 Is there any way to enlarge standard hildon tabs in height?) Jun 30 19:33:07 pupnik thats awesome Jun 30 19:33:17 wazd - isnt the style of the widget specified by the theme? Jun 30 19:33:23 ie sizes Jun 30 19:33:57 still laughing at it Atarii :) Jun 30 19:34:53 its loading like a mule here so only about half way through :( Jun 30 19:35:49 i let it load then copied it out of /tmp to play with mplayer Jun 30 19:36:12 lcuk, I actually don't know cause I'm not very fammiliar with Maemo UI developing tools :( Jun 30 19:37:05 Stskeeps: Here now? Jun 30 19:41:02 pupnik, :D the web guy is class Jun 30 19:41:17 "here's the thing: this... is a problem. you can't have people looking at this." Jun 30 19:44:30 the companies website was at the top of the penis Jun 30 19:48:55 lol at his password "um its just the letter a" Jun 30 20:04:43 Did you take down the website? "No" Nancy says you did. "Oh, um... Yeah" Jun 30 20:05:00 man that brings back memories Jun 30 20:11:51 Ah hooker Jun 30 20:11:53 spammers are back Jun 30 20:15:08 pupnik, that was really hillarious :) Jun 30 20:15:25 "i have no arrange by penis option" xD Jun 30 20:16:18 :) Jun 30 20:53:37 the proper vmware appliance (http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/) has not been updated for diablo yet, is it still ok to use for developing Jun 30 20:53:41 ? Jun 30 20:54:20 doesnt diablo software ~= chinook software? Jun 30 20:55:13 Pretty much, but that may be slightly more complicated development-side. Jun 30 20:55:44 also question: when creating a swap partition on external card, do i still need to check "enable virtual memory" in control panel? Jun 30 20:55:51 GeneralAntilles, shouldnt be complicated at all initially should it? its tied to chinook repos Jun 30 20:55:54 Atarii, not as much. look at the list of changes and you will see quite a few version numbers are higher than chinook Jun 30 20:56:07 oh ok Jun 30 20:56:46 well then, ill ask - is there a full graphical vmware appliance for diablo? Jun 30 20:59:32 lcuk was it you that suggested that 1.0.0.0 was ipv6 and hence troubles with my dns Jun 30 20:59:33 ? Jun 30 21:00:12 it was me that found a few sites suggesting it yer - and everyone was talking about ip6 having just been installed etc Jun 30 21:00:26 aha, thanks for the help, it definately was ipv6 troubles Jun 30 21:00:49 but 2008he bugs out when trying to add manual dns entries Jun 30 21:00:49 did you fix it? Jun 30 21:01:05 really good to know for future then Jun 30 21:01:18 i changed to 2006 and put in opendns as the dns addresses Jun 30 21:01:20 then it worked Jun 30 21:01:37 atarii, do you fancy just putting a small posting on iTT to let people in similar situation know what to do? Jun 30 21:01:44 sure Jun 30 21:02:03 great :D GeneralAntilles will love you forever Jun 30 21:02:17 lol Jun 30 21:02:24 me love you long time Jun 30 21:02:34 i think he might even have your babies if you put it on the wiki :P Jun 30 21:02:45 is it worth adding 2008he bugs to bugzilla? Jun 30 21:03:02 Atarii, probably not. Jun 30 21:03:09 There's a garage tracker for the backport. Jun 30 21:03:12 he? Jun 30 21:03:18 Hacker Edition Jun 30 21:04:19 oh man im a noob, its already on iTT Jun 30 21:04:22 doh! Jun 30 21:05:51 LOL! Jun 30 21:06:06 Capn_Fish: aye Jun 30 21:06:19 Captain fish eye? Jun 30 21:07:07 uff.. xchat on n810|again Jun 30 21:08:31 meh, i still wish skyhusker's svn repo was still up, we are .0.2 versions behind, imagine that! Jun 30 21:10:29 does omweather 0.20.5 works for someone? Jun 30 21:10:38 It does not fetch data here Jun 30 21:10:56 works for me Jun 30 21:11:38 maybe local pproblems Jun 30 21:11:44 will check tomorrow Jun 30 21:11:44 same here Hrw Jun 30 21:11:56 have a nice eveening Jun 30 21:12:59 * crashanddie lights up a cig and throws one to lcuk Jun 30 21:13:32 boo Jun 30 21:15:41 anyone know any other black themes for os2008 'cept lcars? Jun 30 21:15:58 What is 2008HE? Jun 30 21:16:11 * straind hoped a bot would know. Jun 30 21:16:12 crashanddie, :) thanks matey. Jun 30 21:16:23 straind 2008 os for the 770 Jun 30 21:16:26 why arent you out drinking beer, you deserve it Jun 30 21:16:39 because my mates are all screwing their girlfriends Jun 30 21:16:50 have to meet up with 'em around midnight :D Jun 30 21:16:54 Atarii: Thanks. I was hoping for a link from a bot. Jun 30 21:17:54 for the download image? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php Jun 30 21:17:57 why aren't you out screwing their girlfriends as well? Jun 30 21:18:15 I get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) Jun 30 21:18:33 Atarii: Thanks again. : ) Jun 30 21:18:37 maybe, they're fugly Jun 30 21:18:46 or inflatable Jun 30 21:18:47 When I start apt-get update, I get this warning: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) Jun 30 21:18:50 DarkenCZ, ignore it :) Jun 30 21:19:06 When I do apt-get update, I get this error W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) Jun 30 21:19:06 lcuk, they're jealous... Even though I'm not... Jun 30 21:19:41 I get this warning, when I do apt-get update : W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) Jun 30 21:19:48 we know. Jun 30 21:20:03 DarkenCZ, really ? What's the error message ? Jun 30 21:20:14 I just had to flash my 770, and I figure I may as well try 2008HE before I get it loaded up with too many personalizations. Jun 30 21:20:17 DarkenCZ, can you repeat that once more, I think we might have missed that ! :) Jun 30 21:20:44 DarkenCZ, that's normal ignore it. Jun 30 21:20:50 I get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :) Jun 30 21:21:14 !!! Jun 30 21:21:30 I get this warning, in apt-get update: W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ), what I am supposed to do with that? :) Jun 30 21:21:32 someone owes me a new keyboard Jun 30 21:21:52 oh shit Jun 30 21:21:54 w00t, no more apt-get msgs Jun 30 21:22:00 X-Fade, when are you gonna find a staffer to re-register this channel in your name? :D Jun 30 21:22:23 Has anyone notice the latest version of MaemoMapper being slower on 2006? Jun 30 21:22:32 Yes, we need to register it to a few community members. Jun 30 21:22:36 i can has 2006 on my n810? Jun 30 21:22:38 Hi ! Jun 30 21:22:46 hi khertan :D Jun 30 21:22:49 GeneralAntilles: Let's try to do that tomorrow. Jun 30 21:22:57 * X-Fade getting sleepy ;) Jun 30 21:23:08 someone have try diablo email with gmail ? Jun 30 21:23:13 When I tried to do apt-get update, I get this warning, what I am supposed to do with that? :) W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got ) Jun 30 21:23:16 Hi lcuk Jun 30 21:23:35 DarkenCZ: We saw you the first time too. Jun 30 21:23:45 DarkenCZ, people have answered you already. apparantly you just do nothing Jun 30 21:23:55 if you can continue, please do so Jun 30 21:24:20 at the moment it sounds like you have a stutter Jun 30 21:24:29 Ok, I'll put the log up on the website tomorrow. Jun 30 21:25:04 I am sorry, my irc client get stuck and it looked I am unable to send message :( Jun 30 21:25:04 See, that sleepy, I am. Jun 30 21:25:24 I am apologize if you saw it more times, but I didn't catch any reply :( Jun 30 21:25:27 * lcuk throws x-fade a beer Jun 30 21:25:45 * khertan throws X-Fade a coffee :) Jun 30 21:26:05 Bye Jun 30 21:26:09 gnite x Jun 30 21:26:16 -fade Jun 30 21:26:19 * khertan drink a coffee and try again to compile edje-editor ... Jun 30 21:26:23 so it doesnt look like im blowing a kiss Jun 30 21:26:30 gute nachte Jun 30 21:26:41 * Toba blows a kiss to lcuk Jun 30 21:27:42 toba, your tab completion is screwed, surely you meant GeneralAntilles :P Jun 30 21:27:55 * GeneralAntilles hides under his desk. Jun 30 21:28:30 flibble. Jun 30 21:31:14 khertan, edge-editor looks good Jun 30 21:34:00 * lcuk thinks edge looks a lot like the editors he has created Jun 30 21:34:01 oh man, timeless? Jeez, I could have just asked on moznet if I knew you were here. :) Jun 30 21:35:52 ok, so, question. http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ says "such as the maemo VMware appliance version 0.7 or newer." but I only see 0.6 available Jun 30 21:38:11 * Jaffa beds Jun 30 21:38:23 jaffa, kree! Jun 30 21:38:49 I fixed my problem.... Jun 30 21:39:21 yer lbt, what did it turn out to be Jun 30 21:39:23 sigc::bind() needs to wrap objects called by reference in a sigc::ref().... Jun 30 21:39:27 obviously... Jun 30 21:39:35 clear as mud Jun 30 21:39:50 it was silently doing a shallow copy Jun 30 21:40:02 and then sometimes reusing the shallow copy AFAICT Jun 30 21:40:11 dammit Jun 30 21:40:28 sorry sp3000, there's no escaping me. Jun 30 21:40:31 anyhow - back to making progress... Jun 30 21:40:54 I'm inclined to reply to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3298#c3 just to say that since the bar does pop us as before, the behaviour is clearly roughly 80% different, not 100% Jun 30 21:40:58 * lbt bows deeply and returns to the arms of emacs... Jun 30 21:41:21 emacs has enough arms for everyone Jun 30 21:41:40 it's like vishnu! Jun 30 21:41:50 hah Jun 30 21:43:32 lbt :) glad its solved anyway Jun 30 21:45:06 oh man, id just completed my dual boot setup, then i stupidly use the windows flasher to install new os on the internel :( Jun 30 21:46:45 That's why you back up a copy of the bootmenu-ed initfs to your computer to flash. ;) Jun 30 21:49:33 What app can I use to watch movies with? Jun 30 21:49:51 MPlayer won't let me seek anything, and it doesn't seem to play them at a reasonable rate Jun 30 21:50:10 Er Jun 30 21:50:13 mplayer. . . . Jun 30 21:50:18 Seek with the dpad or menu. Jun 30 21:50:26 ^^ Jun 30 21:51:11 yeah, highlighting the menu Seek option and hitting right, or enter, or all manner of buttons doesn't seek Jun 30 21:51:20 What source? Jun 30 21:51:33 SD card Jun 30 21:51:40 The answer to video playback on the NITs is pretty much always "mplayer" Jun 30 21:51:43 Something's wrong then Jun 30 21:51:46 FLV? Jun 30 21:51:57 the video is a divx avi Jun 30 21:52:17 Should seek just fine. :\ Jun 30 21:52:43 dmsuperman, i think seek on movies like that requires keyframes - if there arent keyframes (everything based on variation from first/previous) then you cant seek, but dont quote me on that one Jun 30 21:53:03 but then would it seek everywhere but the n800? Jun 30 21:53:30 assuming mplayer here is just a port of MPlayer on linux desktops...it even works on my desktop MPlayer Jun 30 21:53:32 and vlc Jun 30 21:53:34 etc. Jun 30 21:54:34 well then i dunno, but someone else might have same problem Jun 30 21:54:38 http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20080613.225837.a8cb05ee.hu.html Jun 30 21:55:43 etc. Jun 30 21:55:47 theres more by searching google for mplayer "seek bug" Jun 30 21:56:10 woops...i meant to say "is that page small screen friendly?" Jun 30 21:56:16 I'm on the n800 right now Jun 30 21:57:13 hrm Jun 30 21:57:57 Graaagh Jun 30 21:58:19 that says he's having issues where the audio restarts Jun 30 21:58:19 my problem is that the video won't even seek at all Jun 30 21:58:36 I bought a mini USB keyboard for my N800 Jun 30 21:58:48 dmsuperman, is it one single movie Jun 30 21:58:51 or every movie Jun 30 21:58:57 when I turn on USB host and plug it in, it behaves as if the Fn key is held down Jun 30 21:59:02 i'm not sure, i only have one movie to test with Jun 30 21:59:11 i know this movie seeks elsewhere however Jun 30 21:59:18 so the Fn numpad is always active, and half the qwerty keys don't work Jun 30 21:59:40 dmsuperman, then watch it elsewhere and test with others you get, it really could be a once only glitch Jun 30 22:00:08 everyone here uses mplayer and can do the things you say, but im also sure many of us have had bad movies which wouldnt work Jun 30 22:00:12 *shrug* Jun 30 22:04:16 wow, how many days has bill been gone? http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/30/1942211 Jun 30 22:18:11 ONN: "Warcraft Sequel Lets You Play A Character Playing Warcraft" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw8gE3lnpLQ Jun 30 22:23:01 pupnik, I see your wowow and raise you a http://www.wegame.com/watch/World_of_Workcraft/ Jun 30 22:23:35 hyeh Jun 30 22:27:07 burnte: um (in scrollback) Jun 30 22:27:43 fwiw, http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ seems to be up for people w/ mxr-dns Jun 30 22:29:14 hrm.... Jun 30 22:30:26 I'm starting to get pissed Jun 30 22:30:55 when using esd, it's such an old arch that it frigging fails Jun 30 22:31:05 when using gstreamer Jun 30 22:31:14 for some reason it just fails miserably when run on the tablet Jun 30 22:31:16 bleh Jun 30 22:31:18 gonna get drunk Jun 30 22:31:52 Hi .. i have a WSOD nokia 770 that i cannot return.. i bought it off ebay and the warranty is dead Jun 30 22:32:00 how would i go about and fixing it? Jun 30 22:32:05 everytime i power it on .. WSOD Jun 30 22:32:08 i tried reflashing.. and nothing Jun 30 22:32:09 timely: I'm jsut wondering, is it a typo, is it not out yet, or am I jsut not finding it? Jun 30 22:32:10 you've pulled the battery? Jun 30 22:32:22 timely: yeah.. several times Jun 30 22:32:31 didnt help Jun 30 22:32:34 infobot mxr-maemo-org-dns? Jun 30 22:33:12 it's not a typo, but it does require a package to be installed Jun 30 22:33:15 infobot, mxr.maemo.org deb? Jun 30 22:33:16 well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Jun 30 22:33:36 burnte: install that... Jun 30 22:33:41 then try again :) Jun 30 22:33:47 anyone know how to fix a wsod nokia 770 ? Jun 30 22:33:50 or a way i can try Jun 30 22:33:54 im up for just about anything Jun 30 22:36:21 burnte: i need to bug ferenc about getting a proper dns entry Jun 30 22:36:48 now that the xref for diablo is up, it'd be a good time to do it Jun 30 22:36:51 how do i fix a nokia 770 WSOD ? Jun 30 22:37:23 ebay Jun 30 22:37:54 zakm: Also try http://internettablettalk.com/ Jun 30 22:38:16 i tried there Jun 30 22:38:26 i tried all the ideas of taking out battery.. waiting.. putting in Jun 30 22:38:36 i want to try and open up and fix possibly? but theres no guides for that Jun 30 22:38:45 try starting it up, then pulling the battery while it's on Jun 30 22:38:49 also, were flashes successful? Jun 30 22:38:58 zakm: Its a hardware issue, return it. Jun 30 22:39:00 flashes were succesful Jun 30 22:39:02 i cant return it? Jun 30 22:39:08 i bought on ebay.. nokia warranty is over Jun 30 22:39:16 did teh ebayer say it was working? Jun 30 22:39:17 it lasted a good month? then i got wsod Jun 30 22:39:20 if so, then it's not as described. Jun 30 22:39:22 oh, hi burnte :) Jun 30 22:39:23 ahh Jun 30 22:39:23 it was working fine.. for the first month Jun 30 22:39:31 timely: OH HAI Jun 30 22:39:35 i tried that gameboy emulation app Jun 30 22:39:41 it froze my nokia.. wouldnt turn or anything Jun 30 22:39:46 took out battery.. put back in.. damn wsod Jun 30 22:39:54 timely: Yeah, some other sod has taken jx on freenode, so I resort to this nick here. Jun 30 22:40:04 its fine.. i can turn on hear noises.. goto sound it plays.. but i dont have any visual -.- Jun 30 22:40:37 i get the usual wsod white lines. .and when i click around the lines change position Jun 30 22:40:58 zakm: very unfortunate. From what I know this is a hardware failure that occurs after several reboots. Jun 30 22:41:11 how would i fix it though Jun 30 22:41:19 im 17 years old.. i spent alot of my money on it Jun 30 22:41:31 im up for really anything.. without warranty.. what do i have to lose? Jun 30 22:41:39 Reflash Jun 30 22:41:49 That is the answer I was given in the same situation Jun 30 22:41:51 right, try to flash a new image first Jun 30 22:41:52 he said several reflashes did nothing Jun 30 22:41:59 reflash didnt work Jun 30 22:42:02 i tried like 5 times Jun 30 22:42:06 Get a new battery Jun 30 22:42:09 i tried 2008 HE , 2007HE and 2006 -.- Jun 30 22:42:19 new battery would work? Jun 30 22:42:24 it works fine.. i just cant see anything. Jun 30 22:42:36 i memorized the spots.. so i can play some music? lol Jun 30 22:42:51 Just a thought. I don't know the cause Jun 30 22:42:52 burnte: anyway... did you install the deb? :) Jun 30 22:42:58 a new battery would fix it? .. on ITT people said its the LCD controller? Jun 30 22:43:08 timely: Which one? Jun 30 22:43:11 how do you guys open it up anywhere.. i searched for a screwdriver that small and couldnt find Jun 30 22:43:15 mxr-maemo-org-dns :) Jun 30 22:43:20 oh Jun 30 22:43:25 no, lemme do so Jun 30 22:43:36 Batteries can be the cause of many issues that look like they have other causes Jun 30 22:43:46 zakm, ive not heard of anyone rectifying this problem themselves. small screwdrivers kits are available in hardware stores Jun 30 22:44:14 lcuk: my dad used to have a idk glass metal w.e business i dont quite know and theres 100s of screwdrivers but icant find one that small Jun 30 22:44:19 i got awfully close Jun 30 22:44:43 should i try a new battery like should i try to find someone with the same size battery and try? Jun 30 22:44:50 oh brother. i can't change my nick because of some restrictive policy on #maemo-meeting Jun 30 22:45:25 zakm, if you can find someone with the same model battery, that would of course be a none destructive option Jun 30 22:45:42 is it worth searching for someone though? Jun 30 22:46:19 this is insane. i paid $85 for it.. lasted a month.. and now its like garbage -.- Jun 30 22:46:20 "Forged DNS entry for mxr.maemo.org" Oh timely, that instills me with such confidence! Jun 30 22:46:39 You bought it uses, with no warranty Jun 30 22:46:51 it was cheap .. even still though Jun 30 22:46:53 zakm: Like I said, search the itt forums and such too. Jun 30 22:46:54 WSOD -.- Jun 30 22:47:01 im a high school student. i cant afford new instore Jun 30 22:47:12 timely: Installed, now what? Jun 30 22:47:21 burnte: have when it first got wsod like a month or two ago Jun 30 22:47:26 burnte: and im checking now Jun 30 22:47:28 zakm, do yourself the one thing which might possibly work. write a real letter to nokia and tell them honestly what happened and ask for advice. a real letter is important because email can be ignored or dismissed easily Jun 30 22:47:32 I paid $160 for my N800, but did so knowing that it is not going to last forever Jun 30 22:48:02 you are right that you have paid a lot of money and you have this fault. maybe someone will agree from within nokia and attempt to help you more Jun 30 22:48:09 i always wanted a nokia 770 .. ever since it came out .. but at 14 ( 2005.. i was 14 ) i couldnt afford it ;p Jun 30 22:48:28 would i be able to go to a nokia store? i live in Toronto, ON Jun 30 22:48:44 zakm: also, the 770 uses the B-7827 battery, which is standardised by Nokia and uses by many other phone Jun 30 22:48:45 This is a problem which doesnt really have any user curable solution Jun 30 22:48:52 zakm, try anything Jun 30 22:49:17 burnte: now try the mxr url again Jun 30 22:49:31 i do hope you get something sorted because the nokia tablets are amazing (you already know that) Jun 30 22:49:43 hell yeah Jun 30 22:49:48 spent so long on it :D Jun 30 22:49:55 got all the apps i could on the thing Jun 30 22:50:24 I got someone else to buy a NIT today Jun 30 22:50:47 That's like the sixth sale I recommended :) Jun 30 22:50:53 lol Jun 30 22:50:55 which one? Jun 30 22:50:56 zakm, the one thing to be clear about is that this is not a user fault. Jun 30 22:51:01 NIT's are so expensive online -.- Jun 30 22:51:24 lcuk: is there a way to make them fix it.. even though its out of warranty? Jun 30 22:51:25 This one bought a 810 on ebay for $270 Jun 30 22:51:29 timely: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/ works with your dns patch Jun 30 22:51:42 fwiw it looks like ferenc or marcel are really trying to get mxr.maemo.org to work properly :) Jun 30 22:52:05 http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/725342161.html Jun 30 22:52:08 zakm, they are under no obligation to help you, though perhaps someone will go above and beyond for you. Jun 30 22:52:34 * timely should go and try to push the garage update, which is um.. a lot bigger Jun 30 22:52:55 being 17 year old might help? Jun 30 22:53:24 when i was your age i had a situation with a cd burner. i contacted the company (i got it as an aged freebie incomplete system) and managed to get interface cards and drivers sent out. :) Jun 30 22:53:31 Ooch Jun 30 22:53:31 http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/sys/716411218.html Jun 30 22:53:31 timely: But blimey diablo is buggy Jun 30 22:53:34 Now I'm tempted Jun 30 22:54:01 lcuk: were you still under warranty? Jun 30 22:54:09 $120 is expensive -.- Jun 30 22:54:19 what warranty? i got it out of a dumpster Jun 30 22:54:24 i saw a nokia N810 on toronto craigslist for $150 ;p Jun 30 22:54:30 the cd drive however was expensive Jun 30 22:54:43 lcuk: you found the cd drive.. called up .. and they sent drivers? Jun 30 22:54:50 and hardware Jun 30 22:54:54 wow Jun 30 22:55:07 i got interface card, cd caddies drivers and instructions Jun 30 22:55:09 http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/sys/700208425.html $150 N810 Jun 30 22:55:35 wow Jun 30 22:55:43 zakm: His point is, if you're polite, and the company cares about its reputation, they'll usually try to help you in some way. Jun 30 22:55:57 ^^ thats what i meant Jun 30 22:56:09 :) Jun 30 22:56:34 im in a city.. they care less ;p Jun 30 22:56:43 no, he said to write to Nokia Jun 30 22:56:48 not jsut go to the local store Jun 30 22:57:05 the execs at the company care a little more than minimum wage counter jockeys. Jun 30 22:57:14 you really think the letters do stuff nowadays? Jun 30 22:57:20 I know they do. Jun 30 22:57:31 check out The Consumerist's talk about EECBs. Jun 30 22:57:41 whats that? Jun 30 22:58:02 That's their slang for mailing company executives. Executive Email Carpet bomb. Jun 30 22:58:16 like the folks who write to steve jobs when their mac breaks Jun 30 22:59:19 but yes, polite and well written letters do wonders. Jun 30 22:59:32 they show you've put time and thought into the situation. Jun 30 23:00:01 im not a great writer. Jun 30 23:00:23 I didn't say gerat, I said well written. :) Take your time, run it past your english teacher. Jun 30 23:00:28 take your time, ask advice from teachers/parents Jun 30 23:00:40 heck, maybe she'll give you extra credit if you keep her in the loop for your communications, showing off what a good teacher she is. :) Jun 30 23:03:44 its summer lol Jun 30 23:03:59 lol Jun 30 23:04:06 oh, right. Well, you have parents, right? Your'e not an urchin living in doorways, I would assume. Jun 30 23:04:21 dont get along with parents too well Jun 30 23:04:29 i suppose so Jun 30 23:04:38 you're 17, no 17 year old gets along with their parents well. Jun 30 23:04:41 it's a law of nature. Jun 30 23:04:43 i wish i could just goto the store.. show them its broken pick up a new one and walk out Jun 30 23:05:06 I'd be surprised if they even still stock 770s. Jun 30 23:05:11 try that first if its simpler, but i dont think it will work Jun 30 23:05:14 but you could try. Again, politeness is a must. Jun 30 23:05:38 discontinued products don't get regenerated Jun 30 23:05:48 nor resurrected Jun 30 23:05:58 timeless: So, they're not like Doctor Who? Jun 30 23:06:02 the parts and manufacturing for them become more expensive as time passes Jun 30 23:06:02 nor Christ? Jun 30 23:06:05 burnte: sadly Jun 30 23:06:18 * burnte takes his n810 out of the Tardis... Jun 30 23:06:21 it could be a bug Jun 30 23:06:34 i never seen a NIT at a store? Jun 30 23:07:05 i saw the nokia 770 on engadget years ago and then when i was surfing ebay i saw it and im like OMG i remember this I WANT IT :P Jun 30 23:10:09 zakm: http://www.teleread.org/blog/2007/08/11/nokia-n770s-white-screen-of-death-the-lowdown-from-internet-table-talk/ Jun 30 23:10:19 sadly, that sounds entirely plausible. Jun 30 23:10:42 sorry g2g lol Jun 30 23:10:45 Given that, I'd say write Nokia. State that after researching, it seems your 770 has fallen prey to this problem with the LCD controllers. Jun 30 23:10:57 maybe if you present yourself nicely, they'll replace it. Jun 30 23:11:01 always worth a shot. Jun 30 23:11:08 or you could say g2g lol and leave. Jun 30 23:55:19 good evening Jul 01 00:06:59 or something approximating it at 3am Jul 01 00:10:57 stupid last train back to cambridge Jul 01 00:11:04 stops 19 times and arrives at 01:39 Jul 01 00:11:04 no sleep for me :( Jul 01 00:22:04 I could use some advice if anyone knows about the nokia n800. I plug it in to charge, it begins to charge, then the device resets and it begins to charge again. I think this may harm the battery. Jul 01 00:23:57 immediately after the blue LED on the d-pad flashes, the device resets Jul 01 01:20:22 the ugly? Jul 01 02:10:01 anyone have any knowledge on opening up a nokia 770? Jul 01 02:14:05 try youtube Jul 01 02:23:50 I have something to ask. I bought an N800, but then realized that my area is not as wifi-friendly as I had hoped; so the N800 turns out to be a paperweight most of the time. I was wondering if it would be more cost-effective to buy a cheapo phone with a data plan so that I can have a continuous connection, or to get rid of the N800 and buy something else that comes capable with a service plan like the openmoko or something similar? Jul 01 02:24:57 data plan? Jul 01 02:25:05 thats so expensive Jul 01 02:25:28 cactaur: ill give you $100 for your n800 :D Jul 01 02:26:51 So I'm guessing you agree with the second option. Jul 01 02:27:12 lol i think you should convince ppl to be more wifi-friendly Jul 01 02:27:31 cactaur: You mean you don't have a wifi connection or you don't find wifi around where you live? Jul 01 02:27:34 nah .. my nokia 770 broke.. WSOD -.- Jul 01 02:28:16 chmac: Nah, I have a wifi connection at home. But when I travel around, there aren't as many options to connect as I would have hoped. Jul 01 02:30:14 My basic goal is to stay connected. Jul 01 02:31:09 thats hard Jul 01 02:31:17 use offline stuff? Jul 01 02:33:00 maybe try an iphone w/ unltd data plan? Jul 01 02:33:16 that'll be so expensive wouldn't it? Jul 01 02:33:17 Not really. Jul 01 02:33:39 Well, I hear an unlimited plan is like, $20 a month. Jul 01 02:33:54 cactaur: where you live? Jul 01 02:34:01 Los Angeles Jul 01 02:34:06 ah cool Jul 01 02:34:09 Which you would THINK would be wifi friendly. Jul 01 02:34:23 im in Toronto, ON Jul 01 02:34:26 and the wifi is perfect :D Jul 01 02:34:36 too bad my nokia broke and have no money to get a new one Jul 01 02:35:32 tank-man: I prefer open platforms. I REALLY do not want to get an iphone. Jul 01 02:35:55 i say iphone cause i heard the data plan is cheap with it Jul 01 02:57:37 Yeah, I read that the N800 was NOT supposed to be a phone. But I figured that with enough internet connections, I could just use Gizmo whenever I could get into a wifi zone. However, the only time I'm in an actual wifi zone is at home, where I have a land-line. So, do you still say that it would be best to just get an actual phone that can also do what the N800 does? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 01 02:59:56 2008