**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 06 02:59:56 2008 Jul 06 03:09:54 Confound it all. The season finale of Doctor Who is downloading and I'm leaving for a party in ten minutes Jul 06 03:12:56 my cable got shut off about halfway through the season Jul 06 03:43:45 chibiAcyd: my cablebox requires a remote, and over a month ago, it stopped listening to the remote. so i can't watch anything Jul 06 03:53:38 I have some question about moblin kernel build. Jul 06 03:53:48 is there any body get an error like this : debian/ruleset/misc/checks.mk:36: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. Jul 06 03:56:05 that sucks timelyx Jul 06 04:00:43 Ah, I found my spare N800 stylus. *has a stylus again* Jul 06 04:04:02 http://picasaweb.google.com/scottdier/N810Project/photo#5219746230436136434 Jul 06 04:04:22 [ignore the display of the radio, obviously 932 degrees E does not exist :)] Jul 06 04:04:55 whee ham radio Jul 06 04:05:04 heh Jul 06 04:05:15 also, doh, left my cell phone on those photos Jul 06 04:05:18 * dieman fixes taht up Jul 06 04:05:22 not like its hard to get Jul 06 04:06:33 * Grackle_ wonders what interesting things he could do with his N800 right now Jul 06 04:07:33 heh, all better now Jul 06 04:07:38 Grackle_: you a ham? Jul 06 04:08:15 Yeah, my call is KB1FYR. I'm a technician class. Licensed in 2000. I was 10 years old then. o.o Jul 06 04:08:39 ahh Jul 06 04:08:45 I'm not very active, but I like to pick up a ham radio project every once in a while. Jul 06 04:08:46 well, your license is probally still active :) Jul 06 04:08:50 I'm mostly interested in data. Jul 06 04:08:57 Yeah, it'll be active for another 2 years. Jul 06 04:08:59 im trying to get roadmap to interface with the D700a Jul 06 04:09:04 reasonably enough Jul 06 04:09:12 I'll upgrade to general sometime before it goes away. Jul 06 04:09:15 then, start looking at porting xastr someday Jul 06 04:09:24 xastir Jul 06 04:09:30 xastir is pretty heavy, unfortunately Jul 06 04:09:33 yeah Jul 06 04:09:34 sadly Jul 06 04:09:44 im guessing the chances are about nil :) Jul 06 04:09:53 Also it uses the yuq widget set Jul 06 04:09:57 yeah Jul 06 04:10:06 the whole graphical end of it would need, uh, help Jul 06 04:10:28 someone was looking at a gtk port Jul 06 04:10:30 once upon a time Jul 06 04:10:34 but im guessing it got nowhere Jul 06 04:11:39 basically i get people really interested until they go 'can i send objects' Jul 06 04:11:45 and im like, uh, no Jul 06 04:12:07 of course, in this state i dont think you can mount laptops in your car anymore without getting a ticket Jul 06 04:12:31 Heh, most people seem to think porting it from motif to gtk or qt is a dumb idea, because it doesn't need to look pretty, and motif is more lightweight. Except.. It's not. gtk and qt are quite modern and very lightweight systems can be built around them. Usability would be much improved, too.. Jul 06 04:12:39 ditto Jul 06 04:12:55 also: motif == 90s, just in case they were wondering Jul 06 04:13:02 haha, indeed Jul 06 04:16:10 sounds like they might go to wxwidgets or something since they want non-x11 now Jul 06 04:16:15 non-x11 support Jul 06 04:16:26 i might just wait until someone either goes for wxwidgets or makes pluggable interfaces Jul 06 04:17:00 downside: someone is going insane with requirements and use cases. Jul 06 04:17:06 I think pluggable interfaces would be the way to go. Jul 06 04:17:17 and uml Jul 06 04:17:24 I'd like to see an APRS program built on the gmaps API. Jul 06 04:17:36 one thought i read on the list was to split a daemon from the UI Jul 06 04:17:41 and let people hack on their own UIs Jul 06 04:17:49 but i dont know if thats what they are thinking now Jul 06 04:18:06 I don't think xastir is active enough for radical changes, really. Jul 06 04:18:11 true Jul 06 04:19:14 i did prod the mameo mapper people about some ideas i had Jul 06 04:19:21 they seemend receptive. Jul 06 04:19:31 mostly multilayer display (they want that too anyhow) Jul 06 04:19:47 and throwing objects/waypoints back and forth with external apps Jul 06 04:20:00 hmm Jul 06 04:20:02 i've been messing with roadmap since it already had an api for working with external apps Jul 06 04:20:07 and OSM is pretty slick Jul 06 04:22:17 OSM? Jul 06 04:22:34 openstreetmaps Jul 06 04:23:16 uhoh, I have suffered from loss of borders and graphical widgets Jul 06 04:23:23 * Grackle_ had this happen before, but not in diablo Jul 06 04:23:38 heh Jul 06 04:23:47 you use omweather? Jul 06 04:23:53 no Jul 06 04:24:03 i had omweather crash the wm a few times a day Jul 06 04:24:04 at one point Jul 06 04:24:54 anyhow, as can be seen in the photos, i've been having fun with powerpoles :) Jul 06 04:25:41 and i learned that making up a 12V->5V adaptor isn't that hard Jul 06 04:26:02 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=181668 This is what happened. Jul 06 04:26:29 dieman: i thought motif was 80s Jul 06 04:26:38 netscape navigator used it Jul 06 04:26:49 so i feel it was still in massive use during much of the 90s Jul 06 04:27:06 Grackle_: ahh suck Jul 06 04:28:18 Answer: Motif is a widely-accepted set of user interface guidelines developed Jul 06 04:28:18 by the Open Software Foundation (OSF) around 1989 which specifies how an X Jul 06 04:28:30 80s :) Jul 06 04:30:01 i'm not saying it wasn't still in use in the 90s, i certainly remember that Jul 06 04:30:11 but from my perspective, what matters is when something was created Jul 06 04:39:58 timelyx: ahh :) Jul 06 04:40:16 timelyx: dunno, my unix-foo only goes back to the 90s, too :) Jul 06 05:05:02 so, i'm curious, what can i accomplish with aircrack? Jul 06 05:07:55 Holy crap, internettablettalk.com only allows you to have 3 messages in your inbox and outbox combined. Jul 06 05:08:03 * Grackle_ has a sent message, a reply, and a sent message Jul 06 05:08:45 Hopefully the forum software handles overflows nicely, so I can get a reply to the third message.. Jul 06 05:08:50 This is really silly. >.>; Jul 06 06:20:26 Fucking ridiculous. ITT really does enforce the 3 message maximum. Sent message, get reply, sent followup, and I can't get anything after that without deleting some of the previous conversation. Jul 06 06:21:06 Like, I was sent another message, and it notified me of the fact that it threw it out. Gee, thanks. Jul 06 06:28:47 Hi there Jul 06 06:35:00 Hi Jul 06 06:50:25 hey freet15 Jul 06 06:54:06 GNUton: I have a problem during compile the kernel of moblin : debian/ruleset/misc/checks.mk:36: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. Jul 06 06:55:45 is diablo 4.0 or 4.1 in bugzilla? Jul 06 06:55:55 OH ? Jul 06 06:56:11 acydlord: you know a solution to this issue? Jul 06 06:56:39 sure dont Jul 06 06:56:44 ;) Jul 06 06:58:09 freet15: the solution is there in the error. Specify a subarch Jul 06 07:02:51 summatus|away: subarch .... I have tryed. Jul 06 07:06:42 acydlord: diablo is 4.1 Jul 06 07:07:02 thx Jul 06 07:07:40 freet15: do you have specified a valid subarch? Jul 06 07:17:26 Anybody got locale to work in scratchbox? I can't get it to work under either DIABLO-X86 or DIABLO-ARM Jul 06 07:18:33 setlocale (LC_ALL, "") always returns "C" no matter what's the value of $LANG Jul 06 07:20:00 GNUton: ..... I wish it was valid.... Jul 06 07:43:37 dieman: yeah, well the internet was around before 1990 :) Jul 06 07:44:13 timelyx: heh Jul 06 07:44:48 the only 'internet' i had for a few years was when i was at the open house my dad's workplace had (GE) Jul 06 07:44:54 they had a pile of computers 'on the web' Jul 06 07:45:06 back when tables where a newfangled way to view yahoo.com Jul 06 07:45:21 computers being sparc 2's Jul 06 07:45:22 and stuff Jul 06 07:45:28 * timelyx remembers the web before tables :) Jul 06 07:45:29 they may have had some 20s by then Jul 06 07:45:52 yeah, i had overdosed on bbs-ing and got uh, directed away from the 'internet' for a while Jul 06 07:45:54 (in fact, i remember gopher) Jul 06 07:45:56 as a kid Jul 06 07:46:09 yeah, i happen to uh, work where they came up with gopher, sort of. Jul 06 07:46:10 yeah, i used more bbs than internet for a while Jul 06 07:46:22 but i eventually found a bbs that would be my internet gateway Jul 06 07:46:25 not in the same group, but at the same university Jul 06 07:46:36 instead of a local library which offered a gopher => web gateway Jul 06 07:46:44 i lived in milwaukee, so it was execpc or die at the time Jul 06 07:46:46 pretty much Jul 06 07:46:53 for internets Jul 06 07:46:58 they basically cornered the market Jul 06 07:47:06 since they had more dialup lines than god Jul 06 07:47:23 back before everyone went to channelized t1 lines Jul 06 09:17:49 how to build a debian source package? Jul 06 09:18:37 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jul 06 09:18:48 -b Jul 06 09:18:50 eh Jul 06 09:19:06 fakeroot debian/rules binary is another way Jul 06 09:19:58 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_making_an_application_package_bora.html Jul 06 09:20:48 The diablo one just says dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot Jul 06 09:21:59 thats how to build a binary package Jul 06 09:22:08 but I need to build a .src.deb or how it is called in debian Jul 06 09:23:05 aha, dpkg-buildpackage -S Jul 06 09:25:29 zap, the autobuilder want something similar to "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S" Jul 06 09:25:49 sorry misread your question zap Jul 06 09:26:16 If any of you deal in BB5 flashing, is there a file that exists called: RX-34_v6_0_4200823-14.exe ? Jul 06 09:26:24 any body compile the kernel from moblin.org? Jul 06 09:31:00 hmm, this built a single tar.gz package but if I do apt-get source I get a separate source archive and a separate diff.gz file Jul 06 09:34:47 Never mind, found it. Nokia files get leaked like a bitch. :P Jul 06 09:39:58 zap, I think if you do 'apt-get source' the diff file is applied automatically to the package Jul 06 09:41:42 ok, which hooligan moved my tobacco? Jul 06 09:42:21 * qwerty12 wishes that the N800_Schematics were better quality :( Jul 06 09:42:28 lcuk: so, i looked at the code for your reader and decided that i'm not the least bit qualified to be messing with that :P Jul 06 09:42:31 but i may try anyway Jul 06 09:43:02 also, omgwtfbbq at Dr. Who Jul 06 09:43:04 its ok rm :) for now its technology demo Jul 06 09:43:08 was there a new ep today/yesterday? Jul 06 09:43:31 omgwtfbbq doesnt even come close, you need to add ponies and sharks with laser beams Jul 06 09:43:37 * qwerty12 wishes that the retardis would blow itself up with the cast in it :P Jul 06 09:43:41 yer, finale Jul 06 09:43:54 :D retardis Jul 06 09:44:00 omgwtfbbq watching it in like 10 minutes when it finishes DLing :P Jul 06 09:44:18 i think one day they will land in albert square, qwerty12 let us know when it does ;) Jul 06 09:44:24 omgwtfbbq found it at 720p :P Jul 06 09:44:32 lcuk, I hope not. :P Jul 06 09:44:39 i watched it legal and quickly via flash Jul 06 09:45:14 * rm_you is not in the UK? >_> Jul 06 09:45:24 I never used iPlayer, the one time I wanted to watch kidulthood, I couldn't find it there >.< Jul 06 09:45:53 bbc are putting entire archives up on there soon :) Jul 06 09:46:26 bbc ftw! Jul 06 09:46:31 Yep :) Jul 06 09:46:35 lcuk: does it work in linux? Jul 06 09:46:46 does what work? flash Jul 06 09:46:49 * qwerty12 doesn't watch ITV as much anymore compared to bbc Jul 06 09:47:09 rm_you, it's in flash. ofc flash is dodgy in linux so ymmv :/ Jul 06 09:47:28 i thought i heard BBC used some microsoft-only DRM Jul 06 09:47:53 I think for a while they used windows media player to stream the stuff Jul 06 09:48:13 Now it's just flash, I can even watch the stuff (shitly) on a tabket Jul 06 09:48:19 s/tabket/tablet/ Jul 06 09:48:21 qwerty12 meant: Now it's just flash, I can even watch the stuff (shitly) on a tablet Jul 06 09:48:28 i never liked itv, their kids tv stuff was always second rate (apart from funhouse with the twins) :D Jul 06 09:48:59 I know, so I switched to CBeebies ^-^ Jul 06 09:49:27 :D heh Jul 06 09:49:37 gordon the gopher ruled the world Jul 06 09:50:06 POW. And how long has the image of diablo been out: http://pastebin.com/m3c4b68cf ? Jul 06 09:50:42 lcuk, the source is in the garage? Jul 06 09:50:51 not yet its not Jul 06 09:51:00 lcuk, I can feel my fingers tingling! Jul 06 09:51:04 im trying to get svn working here Jul 06 09:51:28 (And for the unaware, that's a quote from fimbles, smth like that, my brother watched it, not me!) Jul 06 09:51:37 qwerty12, is your top knot twitching? Jul 06 09:51:56 Not as far I can tell :/ Jul 06 09:51:58 qwerty12: what ROM is that? Jul 06 09:51:59 lcuk, and where can I found the source? :) Jul 06 09:52:23 zap, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17665 - you'll understand it more :) Jul 06 09:52:37 yerga, on svn in a few days as soon as i manage to get it all sorted here :) Jul 06 09:52:42 I just grabbed the file that matches with diablo of torrent just now Jul 06 09:52:58 ok, I will check it Jul 06 09:53:00 * lcuk apologises for any inconvenience whilst his inexperience is sorted Jul 06 09:53:47 lcuk, no problem, it's all ok ;) Jul 06 09:54:29 rm_you, you thought i would never ever unlock the source didn't ya Jul 06 09:55:29 lcuk: yeah, i really didn't ;P Jul 06 09:55:32 yerga, have you seen the video and stuff and tried the binary? Jul 06 09:55:44 lmao, I can even print out the nokia label next to my memory card with the mac on it Jul 06 09:56:24 lcuk, yes, it's cool Jul 06 09:56:32 but i have a problem Jul 06 09:56:38 i hate the way google asks me: "Did you mean: ligbase" wtf is a liqbase Jul 06 09:56:48 oooer whats the prob Jul 06 09:56:49 it only is shown in half window Jul 06 09:56:57 are you using rotation Jul 06 09:57:02 no Jul 06 09:57:03 morning Jul 06 09:57:07 yerga, you don't have android installed do you? Jul 06 09:57:12 hi lardman Jul 06 09:57:15 yes Jul 06 09:57:22 android is installed Jul 06 09:57:36 "A Structural Database of Aligned Ligand Binding Sites" Jul 06 09:57:42 yerga, yes, framebuffer is set to automatic in that kernel I compiled, use fanoush's fb_update_mode to set it to manual Jul 06 09:57:56 (auto messes up programs that use xsp etc) Jul 06 09:58:01 ok, qwerty12 , thanks Jul 06 09:58:20 lcuk: if you can't get SVN working, note: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3326 Jul 06 09:58:52 qwerty12, thanks for that bit of diagnostics. you are going to be an extremely worthwhile asset to any company when you grow up if you stick at this Jul 06 09:59:15 Thanks! :) Jul 06 10:00:06 * lcuk tosses a coin Jul 06 10:00:15 (no dirty jokes please) Jul 06 10:01:10 ooo is it a two hour episode!? Jul 06 10:01:21 no, but its longer than normal Jul 06 10:01:22 it's like twice the filesize i'm used to Jul 06 10:01:30 hrm Jul 06 10:01:33 and you have it at higher resolution Jul 06 10:02:04 and probably translated into 17 languages Jul 06 10:02:19 lol Jul 06 10:02:41 if the US wasn't like 3 or so weeks behind, i would just watch it on TV >_> Jul 06 10:03:01 Come to the UK, watch it on iPlayer and go back :P Jul 06 10:03:04 lol Jul 06 10:03:07 lcuk: money arrive yet? Jul 06 10:03:26 damn, season 1 won't QUITE fit on a single DVD >_< Jul 06 10:03:32 i havent checked the bank today (mind you i never check the bank) Jul 06 10:03:48 k i'll check today or tomorrow Jul 06 10:06:44 lcuk: seen it yet? Jul 06 10:07:13 jaffa!!!!!!! yer Jul 06 10:07:26 have you (properly) Jul 06 10:08:53 when i create a binary in windows, im used to the version being embedded inside it, do i do this with binaries for this device and how do i manage version numbers and build numbers etc Jul 06 10:09:23 lcuk: convention is to have command line --version ? i think Jul 06 10:10:11 or check "version" by md5sum Jul 06 10:10:31 lardman, ive just grabbed your sbc from svn and ill do similar, but i can only put up a normal makefile, i cant do ./configure or .in files and all that stuff Jul 06 10:10:52 rm_you, yes, thats fine, but do i have to manually update the version every time i build it Jul 06 10:11:01 with a .deb? Jul 06 10:11:10 there is a debian/changelog Jul 06 10:11:14 and it gets the version out of that Jul 06 10:11:26 well if its in the deb then its not in the binary and i cant use ./liqbase --version can i... Jul 06 10:11:38 oh, no you have to manually update THAT Jul 06 10:11:50 really? how quant Jul 06 10:11:54 lol Jul 06 10:12:06 like i said, md5sum is prolly the best way to keep track Jul 06 10:12:42 no its not because users arent gonna know that version ab2383abbaabddb32834 is older than version aa293423842348aa Jul 06 10:13:12 no its not because users arent gonna know that version ab2383abbaabddb32834 is older than version aa293423842348aa Jul 06 10:13:48 if you're talking about an intelligent updater or similar Jul 06 10:14:11 for --version you do have to update it manually, yes :/ Jul 06 10:14:47 I don't know much but can't you like make version have a "date" variable when it was compiled? Jul 06 10:14:48 though if you WANTED, you could make the version a define, and add a thing to your makefile that automatically gets it and increments it every time you do a make >_> Jul 06 10:15:13 ah, or that would work if you want to do date based versioning Jul 06 10:15:27 qwerty12, yes, that is available and can be placed into a const char[] Jul 06 10:15:29 lcuk: yeah, I've seen it on my laptop at good enough quality Jul 06 10:15:46 lcuk: Rather natty. Jul 06 10:16:38 jaffa, your mud builder isnt binary is it Jul 06 10:17:47 * qwerty12 is really happy. Pheoenix 2008 is cracked. Yes, I know it's wrong but as it's a nokia internal app, I aint ever gonna see it. Jul 06 10:18:19 ?? Jul 06 10:18:20 lcuk: no, basically Perl driving standard debian scripts like dh_make, and dpkg-buildpackage Jul 06 10:19:02 rm_you, I should be able to mess around with the internals of my N800: http://i32.tinypic.com/2ry69zc.jpg Jul 06 10:19:44 what is it >_> Jul 06 10:19:49 qwerty12, what's Pheoenix? Jul 06 10:20:36 Nokia program that the Nokia service shops use. I had a copy before but it was non-cracked so I couldn't actually connect to my N800 with it. Jul 06 10:20:37 searching for it, all i can find are qwerty12's posts <_< Jul 06 10:20:47 WHAT DOES IT DOOOOOO Jul 06 10:21:28 A flasher that the nokia centers use, as you can guess, it can do more than the standard windows flasher and even some things more than the linux one. Jul 06 10:21:47 is it only for windown? Jul 06 10:21:50 yes Jul 06 10:21:55 lcuk: sorry for the slow reply Jul 06 10:22:02 lcuk: what do you want to do, build it? Jul 06 10:22:25 lcuk: ah, you're thinking about what to put with liqbase? Jul 06 10:22:47 no lardman :) just look at how you're source is arranged :) ive downloaded a bunch of different projects now and none are really in the debian format (/src folder) Jul 06 10:23:06 I only have the configure stuff as the code is a drop in replacement for the bits in bluez-utils, otherwise I'd have a simple Makefile Jul 06 10:23:22 My code structure is not right either, you should have a trunk, then bits coming off that Jul 06 10:23:24 yer i see you do for some bits Jul 06 10:23:47 its ok, it makes me feel not so bad about having everything in one folder Jul 06 10:23:51 the Makefile, etc. makes no odds, as long as it can be built all is well Jul 06 10:23:53 * lcuk grew organically Jul 06 10:24:18 do think about when you want to branch to make test releases though, my strucutre is nasty - mk2, mk3, etc. Jul 06 10:24:41 ive already got myself a "backup entire folder now with a title" function Jul 06 10:24:50 im just gonna push to svn at the end of that .sh Jul 06 10:25:30 you should also add comments to your commit: svn commit -m "first release" Jul 06 10:26:42 yer, if you go into my source folder, you will see a .sh called kcup.sh kotczarny originally wrote for me right at the start. it asks me for a title and zips up the entire folder using foldername_date_reason.tar.gz Jul 06 10:27:10 so ill just do svn passing it the reason and my workflow doesnt change at the end of the day Jul 06 10:31:00 hmmf. Jul 06 10:31:06 The flimsy charger has broken again. Jul 06 10:31:34 veggen, where are you shoving it to break it? Jul 06 10:32:30 lcuk: it breaks far too easily. But I very often use my tablet with the charger in. Jul 06 10:32:39 guess I shouldn't do that. Jul 06 10:32:42 i do as well, its between monitor and kb Jul 06 10:32:56 or do you mean on your knee Jul 06 10:33:06 anywhere. Jul 06 10:33:45 if its off your desk i can understand actually Jul 06 10:33:53 it is, often. Jul 06 10:33:55 i use a cradle for mine http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg Jul 06 10:34:12 so when charger is in it is kinda protected (you can see where it goes) Jul 06 10:35:00 * timelyx sighds Jul 06 10:35:15 thats quite high tech Jul 06 10:35:52 its made of wood, its so high tech even jesus's dad could have made it :P Jul 06 10:36:09 what about the rubber band Jul 06 10:36:20 ooh, rubber band! Jul 06 10:36:21 shhhhh dont tell everyone Jul 06 10:36:34 * qwerty12 goes into espionage mode Jul 06 10:37:10 Right. Time to ditch this house and head home. Jul 06 10:37:13 BBL. Jul 06 10:37:19 cya jaffa Jul 06 10:37:45 hmm bus error, but at least the code is running Jul 06 10:38:19 "Error: Stagecoach service #182 does not run on Sundays" ?? Jul 06 10:38:20 I had a bus error with something that used the framebuffer, didn't know what to do next so I left it :P Jul 06 10:38:45 lol yeah i dunno what bus error is really :/ only one i understand fully is seg fault :P Jul 06 10:39:12 mornin lbt Jul 06 10:39:51 ooo stargate continuum is out too :P Jul 06 10:40:22 morning Jul 06 10:40:27 I think it comes when you look where you shouldn't Jul 06 10:40:33 http://maemo.pastebin.com/m61efda3d Jul 06 10:40:41 I thought that was a slap? Jul 06 10:42:08 lardman :D does this mean you actually got the shm working (to a degree) Jul 06 10:42:55 cos you muttered something about the window size between processors and ran off laughing like a maniac Jul 06 10:43:02 lcuk: oh yeah, that's working Jul 06 10:43:15 :D wicked Jul 06 10:43:30 ah yes, that was my problem, I made a mistake dividing my hex buffer size by 2 Jul 06 10:43:35 :S Jul 06 10:43:39 <_< Jul 06 10:43:42 heh Jul 06 10:43:47 lardman: so, status on SBC? Jul 06 10:43:51 strange behaviour though for a mistake like that Jul 06 10:43:58 * rm_you is always hopeful Jul 06 10:44:05 SBCC is TBC Jul 06 10:44:10 -C Jul 06 10:44:18 rm_you: the shared memory one is running, very very slowly - need to optimise the polling, and has a bus fault atm Jul 06 10:44:48 i gather you didnt look into the timing things Jul 06 10:44:54 off to watch the season finale :P bbl Jul 06 10:45:06 cya later rm, enjoy and watch to the very end Jul 06 10:45:11 including credits Jul 06 10:45:23 lcuk: There are no clocks available, most of the CLK_* fns are not available Jul 06 10:45:50 ok, ill stop asking :D Jul 06 10:46:19 annoying though, have to do wasteful polling Jul 06 10:46:21 Bye :). I'll have to restart my computer a few times to install phoenix. Jul 06 10:46:59 yes, but polling is a different problem isnt it? like the sleep thing you wanted Jul 06 10:47:25 ah, you're talking about using clocks for benchmarking/optimisation? Jul 06 10:47:44 can't do that either, afaict Jul 06 10:48:19 yes, the sleep thing was something totally seperate and i thought you said it was using an uninitialized mutex thing: there are funcs to start/stop them if i read it correctly Jul 06 10:48:53 (but knowing my luck/knowledge of the dsp at the mo i havent) Jul 06 10:49:03 a semaphore, but that semaphore must be linked into the realtime clock and incremented by that Jul 06 10:49:22 and that would require changes to the dsp kernel Jul 06 10:49:25 I think Jul 06 10:51:05 im sure something like this is required for core stuff and should be inside the kernel already Jul 06 10:51:12 it doesnt make sense to leave it out Jul 06 10:52:04 why would you want a semaphore to be linked into a clock ? Jul 06 10:53:38 lardman Jul 06 10:53:43 crashanddie: that's how the CLK_sleep() fn works Jul 06 10:53:52 you are copying data from main memory into SRAM on the 2420 Jul 06 10:54:05 is that function possible for the ARM itself? Jul 06 10:54:20 you tell it how many ticks you want to sleep for, and it then does pend(clk_sem, nticks) Jul 06 10:54:27 what, using an archaic while (!allowed to run) usleep (50) ? Jul 06 10:54:40 lcuk: no, just sharing SDRAM Jul 06 10:55:13 crashanddie: I don;t know how the semaphore should be decremented, but there are no clocks available on the DSP afaict atm Jul 06 10:55:49 well Jul 06 10:55:49 crashanddie: so my archaic code is now while(!allowed to run), loop lots of times, loop lots of times Jul 06 10:56:06 lardman, so you coded your own semaphore ? Jul 06 10:56:22 morning sl btw :P Jul 06 10:56:33 hai :) Jul 06 10:56:59 *nothing better than waking up and discussing CPAM Jul 06 10:57:00 crashanddie: I'd prefer to poll and then sleep, but sleep doesn't work Jul 06 10:57:01 i gotta see what kind of a performance boost i can get by using that memory Jul 06 10:57:15 lardman, you're trying to run stuff right off the dsp, right ? Jul 06 10:57:20 there 5mb inside the 2420 itself Jul 06 10:57:22 yes Jul 06 10:57:32 lcuk: what's that? Jul 06 10:57:44 SHIT WASP BRB Jul 06 10:57:59 kill! Jul 06 10:58:09 the 2420 has its own actual SRAM memory onboard - its what pvr and stuff do Jul 06 10:58:30 5-Mb internal SRAM boosts streaming media performance Jul 06 10:58:34 the dsp has sram Jul 06 10:58:56 im betting that accessing that memory will be faster than having to come out of the chip to get at the 128mb Jul 06 10:59:03 treat it like x86 cache Jul 06 10:59:17 Grackle_, you gotta post, like, 4 posts and it jumps up to 50 or 100. Jul 06 10:59:19 rm_you, poke. Jul 06 10:59:29 GeneralAntilles, hes gone watching dr who Jul 06 10:59:35 Hooker. . . . Jul 06 11:00:17 lcuk: no idea how you can get to it though Jul 06 11:00:34 lardman, storing images or data within that memory and processing internally before squirting out finished data onto normal framebuffer would be a nice thing if it can be done Jul 06 11:01:03 im betting its just a specified memory region possibly available for mapping, ill keep it in mind for when im in the right place Jul 06 11:01:05 crashanddie, you know none of us can answer your question about the registration page, right? Bitching here isn't going to solve it. ;) You gotta actually contact the people who know what's going on. Jul 06 11:01:52 GeneralAntilles, did I say anything about it this morning ? Jul 06 11:02:04 I'm still going through the scrollback. Jul 06 11:02:39 right, so you'll understand that I was pissed last night Jul 06 11:02:56 Well, did you file a bug or email somebody? :P Jul 06 11:03:02 but if you have a name, I'll be happy to take it Jul 06 11:03:13 hi all Jul 06 11:03:21 Bugzilla, or X-Fade or Quim would be good options. Jul 06 11:03:32 Though Quim's at GUADEC for the time being. Jul 06 11:03:48 you honestly believe I should have to file a bug ? Jul 06 11:04:00 yes Jul 06 11:04:01 Seeing as how it's probably a bug, yes. Jul 06 11:04:15 At the moment, I'm not going to contact anyone, cuz I'm a bit too much of an ass right now Jul 06 11:04:47 hm, anybody knows of aircrack-ng for os2008/diablo? Jul 06 11:05:11 can only find it for os2007 and the 770 Jul 06 11:05:28 aquatix, it is around for diablo IIRC Jul 06 11:05:59 odd, couldn't find it in maemo's reps Jul 06 11:05:59 aquatix, same problem here.... I cannot find kismet too Jul 06 11:07:00 it looks like nobody is interested in them... Jul 06 11:07:03 aquatix, gronmayer tells me its in the mulliner repo Jul 06 11:07:17 crashanddie: yeah, found that one, but it notes nokia770 Jul 06 11:07:25 hm, chinook Jul 06 11:07:26 I see chinook Jul 06 11:07:29 * aquatix tries Jul 06 11:08:01 Andy80, their use is highly restrained as there is no packet injection available Jul 06 11:08:33 Andy80, and airodump has false positives about the encryption used, sees ghost packets, etc Jul 06 11:08:44 ah? because of the nokia wireless driver or something? Jul 06 11:09:00 yeh Jul 06 11:09:01 I just need kismet with gps support, to be able to map wifi networks Jul 06 11:09:47 * aquatix just wants to crack some wep networks Jul 06 11:09:54 oh, did i just say that out loud? :) Jul 06 11:11:35 Andy80, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-June/028251.html old but still accurate Jul 06 11:11:56 aquatix, usually I'll just map wep networks by foot with my NIT, then park the car with my laptop Jul 06 11:12:05 recon if you will :P Jul 06 11:12:24 :) Jul 06 11:12:34 * aquatix just wants internet when he's somewhere ;) Jul 06 11:12:49 and i don't use my laptop much anymore Jul 06 11:13:04 anyway Jul 06 11:13:13 going to watch doctor who series finale Jul 06 11:13:18 damn you Jul 06 11:13:25 * aquatix still needs to watch season 3 Jul 06 11:14:06 hf :) Jul 06 11:15:36 read.... Jul 06 11:15:38 uff... Jul 06 11:15:54 this is the problem when all the code is not open Jul 06 11:16:10 *nod* Jul 06 11:17:57 see ya later Jul 06 11:20:41 sigbus is confusingly caused by a poll error Jul 06 11:21:03 I'm not sure it's good programming practise for the dsp kernel to crash when one of the tasks doesn't respond to a poll Jul 06 11:21:20 Ha Jul 06 11:21:35 I'll have to add a bug Jul 06 11:22:03 feels like Win3.1, have to add a yield() call in my polling loop Jul 06 11:23:20 hmm, I fear this code (with these loop params) will be quite slow compared with the bulk transfer code, it takes ~1s per transfer atm Jul 06 11:23:31 and there are 5023 (iirc) transfers.... Jul 06 11:24:16 ctrl-c, got to ~5min, so not really competitive with the previous DSP attempt at ~20s all in (or ARM at ~3s!) Jul 06 11:29:33 1m55s, getting better; more loop tweaking to do Jul 06 11:35:07 50s... Jul 06 11:38:17 lardman, you know the bit in apollo 13 where the engineers are trying to restart the ship under a certain number of amps? well i get the same feeling here.. ;) Jul 06 11:41:06 dneary, since we did SD booting yesterday, perhaps https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card would be good for today? Jul 06 11:41:15 Since the former kinda depends on the latter. Jul 06 11:42:16 hi Jul 06 11:42:22 GeneralAntilles: Good call! Jul 06 11:42:42 Would you mind stripping the Midgard stuff & setting WPotD on partitioning? Jul 06 11:45:32 http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 5th: https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card Jul 06 11:49:33 lol wow.... >_> time to grab the Confidential Jul 06 11:50:08 * GeneralAntilles pokes rm_you with as tick for the 5th time. Jul 06 11:50:15 s/as tick/a stick/ Jul 06 11:50:15 GeneralAntilles meant: http://mxr.maemo.org | Diablo Released! | http://maemo.org | Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_summit_2008 | Create the new maemo.org logo: https://wiki.maemo.org/maemo.org_logo_contest | Help fix the Wiki Page of the day for July 5th: https://wi... Jul 06 11:50:23 lol Jul 06 11:50:25 ... Jul 06 11:50:30 infopwnt Jul 06 11:50:44 So, I put together a www for the Garage page Jul 06 11:50:54 You want to commit it or give me commit access so I can? Jul 06 11:51:02 i thought you had it Jul 06 11:51:11 Don't think so. Jul 06 11:51:17 check? Jul 06 11:51:18 At least, it's not accepting my authentication. Jul 06 11:51:27 hrm Jul 06 11:51:44 lcuk: thankfully no-one will die if it takes too long Jul 06 11:51:55 lcuk: which is a good thing as I have to nip out and buy some food Jul 06 11:51:57 bbiab Jul 06 11:52:01 ok lol Jul 06 11:53:31 GeneralAntilles: you watch Doctor Who? >_> Jul 06 11:53:41 Not yet Jul 06 11:53:44 <_< Jul 06 11:54:20 yeah, you have write access on SCM Jul 06 11:55:23 Pfft Jul 06 11:55:25 * GeneralAntilles idiot Jul 06 11:55:33 lol Jul 06 11:55:34 GeneralAntilles -> generalantilles Jul 06 11:59:38 and there we go http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 06 12:02:00 Brilliant! Jul 06 12:02:37 The body could use more interesting formatting, but it's small-screen friendly right now and looks OK. Jul 06 12:02:56 Nokia's turning gangsta: http://i26.tinypic.com/14kzbj6.png Jul 06 12:03:15 lol GA, even has the favicon :P Jul 06 12:03:19 nice touch Jul 06 12:03:21 how is that gangsta Jul 06 12:03:28 oh homiez Jul 06 12:03:52 I was gonna turn it into a larger logo for the banner, but I never got around to vectorizing the volume-half of the icon. Jul 06 12:03:55 Later, maybe. Jul 06 12:04:04 lol Jul 06 12:04:31 that's fairly recursive, qwerty12_N800 Jul 06 12:04:39 not as much as... if i can find it, hold on... Jul 06 12:04:40 Crap, didn't re-add the TODO list. Jul 06 12:05:12 I like crashanddie's pic of nokia going green :p Jul 06 12:06:29 which ones that Jul 06 12:06:38 ahhhh i remember Jul 06 12:09:45 anyone know how i can make putty start in a specific folder Jul 06 12:10:44 lcuk: ? Jul 06 12:10:56 is it possible to make a home applet that doens't move? Jul 06 12:10:57 lcuk: whatfor could it possibly matter? Jul 06 12:11:07 that said, if you make a shortcut and edit the "Working Directory" Jul 06 12:11:12 that should do it Jul 06 12:11:13 when i connect to 810 it always start in / i always have to "cd /media/mmc1/liqbase Jul 06 12:11:20 OH that Jul 06 12:11:42 OK, TODO re-added. Jul 06 12:11:48 keesj, i thought that locking applets was a suggested diablo feature? Jul 06 12:12:01 lcuk, Fremantle, probably. Jul 06 12:12:28 but its a flag somewhere thats checked on mousedown - its not rocket science Jul 06 12:12:31 lcuk: haven't tested, but a thought: Jul 06 12:12:44 lcuk: I guess you can set the "home" dir to that location in the passwd files Jul 06 12:12:45 keesj, emjayes found out that you can use chattr to lock applets but it only works on ext2, not jffs Jul 06 12:12:54 lcuk: in Connection -> Data, set an environment variable like, "PUTTY" to "1" Jul 06 12:13:19 you might also be able do tweak sshd (depening on what server yoi use) Jul 06 12:13:35 and then in your .bash_profile, do something like: if [ $PUTTY ] then cd some/directory/; fi Jul 06 12:13:48 winscp comes up in the right folder, but the ssh session wont - i think rm is right thats its an env variable Jul 06 12:14:03 but i dont see how setting putty to 1 would get me into my folder Jul 06 12:14:04 heh i was going for the hackish method :P Jul 06 12:14:16 see my second message :P Jul 06 12:14:46 holy mother of god, the heavens have opened Jul 06 12:14:50 REALLY opened Jul 06 12:15:00 lol, nice, dark and dry here :P Jul 06 12:15:28 jesus a river has formed already Jul 06 12:15:58 * lcuk saves his work Jul 06 12:16:22 rm_you, thats a better solution entirely Jul 06 12:16:24 qwerty12_N800: I mean locking so they don't move around Jul 06 12:16:41 i always want to go into liqbase so ill just set it as global absolute default in the .bash_profile Jul 06 12:16:42 exactly ;) Jul 06 12:16:47 @keesj Jul 06 12:17:07 qwerty12_N800, I'll make a better one soon Jul 06 12:17:11 lcuk: care.... if you sudo gainroot on the device, it will probably parse your bashrc and send you there <_< Jul 06 12:17:20 qwerty12_N800, leaf is almost completely dry, and I'll use a better camera Jul 06 12:17:38 crashanddie, lol, enjoy Jul 06 12:17:38 rm_you, i do that anyway and im always in my dev stuff Jul 06 12:17:48 lol ok, your call :P Jul 06 12:17:56 im gonna send it by default into /dev (a symlink to /media/mmc1 Jul 06 12:17:59 And might I just say, that was one hell of a series finale Jul 06 12:18:26 hell yes it was Jul 06 12:18:27 damn Jul 06 12:19:57 GeneralAntilles: what is the clock applet with what looks like a cpu load graph in it (on the garage page) ? Jul 06 12:20:05 lol Jul 06 12:20:10 we should just add a note about that Jul 06 12:20:24 fnordianslip, osso-statusbar-cpu Jul 06 12:20:26 osso-statusbar-cpu Jul 06 12:20:33 inz updated it for OS2008 a few weeks ago. Jul 06 12:20:39 ah ok tah Jul 06 12:22:23 thanks for the heads up, i'm using the tschmidt one atm, must change... Jul 06 12:26:03 Alright, reload and hover over the small screenshot, rm_you. Jul 06 12:26:52 lol Jul 06 12:27:12 ooo and newer screenshots Jul 06 12:28:38 nice Jul 06 12:28:40 lol <_< "Your message to Adv-backlight-commits awaits moderator approval" Jul 06 12:30:10 Anybody familiar with penguinbait's partitioning .deb? Jul 06 12:30:22 I'd like to add that to the wiki, as it's really the easiest method for newbies Jul 06 12:30:27 but I don't have any experience with it. Jul 06 12:32:12 GeneralAntilles: yeah it keeps sending me mails saying to approve/deny, but i have no idea what the mailing list admin password is <_< Jul 06 12:32:21 Ha Jul 06 12:32:27 Probably an X-Fade question. Jul 06 12:33:45 Jaffa: any plans to put mud in extras? Jul 06 12:34:42 rm_you, seems like it may be a bug or, at the very least, something that should be documented in an "introduction to garage" page in the wiki. Jul 06 12:35:29 i wonder if they emailed it to me or something and i lost it? >_> Jul 06 12:35:41 * GeneralAntilles really wants to see a nice, up-to-date, "Community tools for developing for Maemo" overview. Jul 06 12:35:58 Extras, Garage, Downloads, etc Jul 06 12:37:06 GeneralAntilles: that would be good Jul 06 12:37:58 I started expanding the extras doc last week http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_extras Jul 06 12:38:19 Yeah, that one is a nice start. Jul 06 12:38:38 but what we really need is a document with not to much references to the outside Jul 06 12:38:54 There's a Garage introduction page, but it's old and fairly crufty: https://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Maemo_Garage Jul 06 12:39:02 don't say " read the debian maintainers guide. but giving a few examples to get started Jul 06 12:40:13 Most definitely. Jul 06 12:40:50 Go to the Debian maintainer's guide for details, but provide enough to get them started without overwhelming too many people here. Jul 06 12:45:23 A flow-chart would be nice for that Uploading to Extras page. Jul 06 12:47:27 yes Jul 06 12:47:59 Where are libmysqlclient12-dev libsqlite0-dev packages? I´ unable to find them in Diablo.. Jul 06 12:55:36 who is Capt'n Corrupt from itT Jul 06 12:56:58 Capt'n Corrupt from itT Jul 06 12:57:05 He doesn't have a presence Freenode Jul 06 12:57:30 hes not an ircer Jul 06 12:57:40 shame Jul 06 13:02:46 GeneralAntilles: Hi there Jul 06 13:02:51 I don't get it... Jul 06 13:03:19 Get what? Jul 06 13:03:39 I don't understand why someone would consider it better to have a long page with 2/3rds of the information out of date, which will only scare people away Jul 06 13:03:57 "out of date" = "only useful for users of 770s" Jul 06 13:04:31 Some of it's probably a gut-level negative reaction from the way Nokia handled the 770 -> N800 transition. Jul 06 13:04:38 and I do see their point Jul 06 13:05:08 but things quickly become overwhelming an un-useful when you have too much info. Jul 06 13:05:54 Stringing "OK, now if you have a 770 do this, if you have an N800 or N810 then do this, blah blah blah" through out a wiki page just results in confusion. Jul 06 13:06:59 the older 770 information is not going anywhere: its in the older wiki? surely keeping it archived in the original 770 specific context is better than muddying the waters Jul 06 13:07:24 Yeah, that's my thinking. Jul 06 13:07:54 keep the new wiki clean, if required put something at the foot of ALL pages pointing back to original wiki for older devices Jul 06 13:08:09 I'm thinking things will get better as the platform matures, too. Jul 06 13:09:28 putting myself in their shoes in a few years time, n810 will be "old" and "legacy" i dont want to wade through tonnes of n1000 crap and would expect all this information about os2008 to still be available in this wiki Jul 06 13:09:59 Is there a good example of how another wiki handles it? Jul 06 13:10:02 Zaurus, maybe? Jul 06 13:14:35 Maemo 5, you mean, lcuk? :P Jul 06 13:15:43 the zaurus isn't a great example really Jul 06 13:16:00 GeneralAntilles, yes, but you see what i mean Jul 06 13:16:22 it serves no purpose for me as an os2008 user to have to read up about what i cannot have Jul 06 13:16:41 the original documentation site still exists. it still contains correct and valid information Jul 06 13:17:14 I think this suggest how it would be nice not to differentiate against new devices unless necessary Jul 06 13:17:19 it was written by people with access to the devices on a regular basis and those documented it knew its quirks. if we start fucking with it now we will mess it up Jul 06 13:17:24 eg physical hw differences Jul 06 13:18:29 * lardman dislikes shopping Jul 06 13:18:38 I know the feeling O_o Jul 06 13:18:39 lol Jul 06 13:18:48 except when shopping for new tech :D Jul 06 13:18:51 feeling the card burning Jul 06 13:19:16 yeah, how it gets a little warm and feels slightly heavier? Jul 06 13:19:34 i wouldnt know, i dont get to hold it Jul 06 13:19:38 heh Jul 06 13:20:33 lardman, have you seen the discussion in itt suggesting a port of sdl to yuv ;) Jul 06 13:20:59 I never understood why it hadn't already been done to be honest Jul 06 13:21:06 but well done for pushing them :) Jul 06 13:21:17 time and effort, noone knew if it could be feasible Jul 06 13:21:18 I think our situation is somewhat unique Jul 06 13:21:31 still need to do the conversion, but ssvb's code is nearly as quick as a memcpy iirc Jul 06 13:21:31 gotta go - busy weekend - back later... In the meantime can I ask a question... does maemo.org only support current Nokia devices? If not then how does it intend to support end-of-life'd devices (like 770) ??? Jul 06 13:21:43 i think if my work is helping inspire debate then its a good thing Jul 06 13:22:22 lbt, er, no, what gives you that impression? Jul 06 13:22:35 lardman, yer its quite a logical function and if it can be packed into asm it wont be sluggish Jul 06 13:22:48 The FOCUS isn't eol devices, but there's plenty of 770-specific information on there. Jul 06 13:23:00 it is asm isn't it, at least the part from mplayer was iirc Jul 06 13:23:55 ive seen some floating around, but a couple of months ago kotzcarny did something which opened my eyes a little and made me pleased i used an os level library (xv) rather than the omapfb Jul 06 13:24:26 he compiled it and i talked him round the bugs and we got it compiling and running (at least to some level) directly on his x86 laptop Jul 06 13:25:05 it was in the runup to linuxtag so my priority was a bit shifted, but its certainly something that i will be moving closer to the front of my mind Jul 06 13:25:45 i want linked software running on both 810 and desktop and have sketches streaming onto big screen for management and grouping and back again onto touch for other stuff Jul 06 13:26:04 whether i can get it by the summit im not sure, but its certainly one direction im looking towards Jul 06 13:26:22 sounds cool Jul 06 13:26:53 yer :) Jul 06 13:27:05 * lcuk is so pleased he got his 810 Jul 06 13:28:15 sorry for the sidetrack there ;) it was prompted when you mentioned about arm asm and specific device targetting) Jul 06 13:29:51 * lardman is dreaming of barcodes Jul 06 13:30:00 lol Jul 06 13:32:02 hmm 47s now, getting better... Jul 06 13:32:34 i hope you arent gonna destroy the universe when you get it down to -1 seconds Jul 06 13:32:38 dneary, I think it's one of those issues where a few people that feel really strongly about it tend to swarm out of the woodwork to shout loudly, while the majority of people agree with you, but aren't bothered enough to speak up. ;) Jul 06 13:33:08 GeneralAntilles, feel free to quote this discussion here. its logged in google as well for confirmation Jul 06 13:33:09 lcuk, down to lardman or the supercollider? :P Jul 06 13:33:19 lcuk: at this rate the big cruch will happen before I get imaginary Jul 06 13:33:26 i think lardman *IS* the supercollider ;) Jul 06 13:33:31 ohshi-- Jul 06 13:34:49 ~lart poll errors Jul 06 13:34:50 * infobot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on poll errors Jul 06 13:36:17 lardman, when you are coding do you put test code and comment ponderments in for the world to see? Jul 06 13:36:47 All the comment and test code are in there commented out Jul 06 13:37:14 same in the linux kernel too...and less famously any scripts I release that are less than straightforward Jul 06 13:37:48 i culled a load of test files before i gpled everything, but if i update svn all the test stuff will go up with it Jul 06 13:38:08 lcuk, you may find this enlightening: http://jann.is/daily/archives/350-Fuck-Linux!.html :) Jul 06 13:38:34 johnx, nahhhh, not a problem Jul 06 13:39:06 what I mean to say is, definitely keep test code and comments. Jul 06 13:39:07 im on about discussions with myself about what i am trying to code Jul 06 13:39:35 or pseudocode functions Jul 06 13:39:38 If you don't see why, please stay the fuck away from my code.... :) Jul 06 13:40:20 leave it all, especially if you think it might give someone a clue why you did something or even give them a clue on a way to do it better Jul 06 13:41:01 well, they are often my diary notes which i expand on as i roll around Jul 06 13:41:36 ahhhh well, ive never had my code under scrutiny like this before Jul 06 13:41:43 just leave the, and add plenty of curses Jul 06 13:42:00 s/the/them Jul 06 13:42:16 lcuk, don't think of it that way. you really do worry too much. Jul 06 13:42:27 oo, down to 45s! Jul 06 13:42:29 hmm Jul 06 13:42:55 lardman, what's down to 45s? barcode reading? Jul 06 13:43:15 time before his male menapause hits :P Jul 06 13:43:15 no, shared memory sbc encoder Jul 06 13:43:26 :p Jul 06 13:43:38 oooh :D Jul 06 13:44:10 just got back from using a2dp for a good chunk of the day...barely made it home before my battery went flat Jul 06 13:44:26 oh shit! Jul 06 13:44:36 how do i undo a symlink Jul 06 13:44:45 just rm the symlink Jul 06 13:44:50 ln -s /media/mmc1/ /dev Jul 06 13:45:12 erm Jul 06 13:45:21 it shouldn't have allowed that Jul 06 13:45:26 Yeah... Jul 06 13:45:29 it didnt warn me though Jul 06 13:45:36 Nokia-N810-50-2:~# ln -s /media/mmc1/ /dev Jul 06 13:45:36 Nokia-N810-50-2:~# cd /dev Jul 06 13:45:36 Nokia-N810-50-2:/dev# ls Jul 06 13:45:44 i would have expected a wtf Jul 06 13:45:52 Isn't dev populated on boot? Jul 06 13:46:01 Maybe you can just delete it and reboot. Jul 06 13:46:01 yer, how do i ummm check its ok? Jul 06 13:46:11 lcuk, don't do anything for a second Jul 06 13:46:13 I would back up stuff right now if you can. :P Jul 06 13:46:19 i wasnt going to Jul 06 13:46:32 its ok, this might be the push to diablo :) Jul 06 13:46:35 ls -l / | grep dev Jul 06 13:46:53 if you can still use a console you can probably recover Jul 06 13:46:58 don't reboot Jul 06 13:47:03 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 3640 Jul 6 14:42 dev Jul 06 13:47:04 don't close the shell you have open Jul 06 13:47:12 don't drop from root Jul 06 13:47:19 i aint goin nowhere Jul 06 13:47:27 ls /dev/ Jul 06 13:47:28 * lcuk hates the console Jul 06 13:47:39 is it the contents of /media/mmc1 or is it full of devices? Jul 06 13:47:57 device list - im thinking its false alarm Jul 06 13:48:03 right Jul 06 13:48:08 now do this: Jul 06 13:48:11 ls /dev/mmc1 Jul 06 13:48:28 normal expected devel files Jul 06 13:48:33 :D Jul 06 13:48:42 * lcuk wipes the sweat from his brow Jul 06 13:48:45 one last command: Jul 06 13:48:51 ls -l /dev/ | grep mmc1 Jul 06 13:48:52 ~lart shell Jul 06 13:48:52 * infobot slaps shell upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh Jul 06 13:49:13 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Jul 6 14:42 mmc1 -> /media/mmc1/ Jul 06 13:49:22 rm /dev/mmc1 Jul 06 13:49:41 hang on, my code is on there Jul 06 13:49:48 it's a symlink Jul 06 13:49:55 but if you want, back up your code first Jul 06 13:50:25 anyways, the situation is static Jul 06 13:50:27 copying off Jul 06 13:50:50 this is the problem of running a terminal as root Jul 06 13:50:55 lol. reminds me of when i accidently removed everything on my NSLU2 with aptitude. it did remove almost everything but barfed when trying to uninstall the running kernel. aptitude was nice enough to reinstall everything and a normal reboot followed. Jul 06 13:51:11 also, ln -s won't replace an existing file with a symlink, ln -sf will Jul 06 13:51:16 the f is for force Jul 06 13:51:35 hmm, assuming busybox does as it should.... Jul 06 13:51:42 ok :) thats reasonable, "you asked me to set it, oh it already is ok then" Jul 06 13:51:47 yeah, that was my first thought lardman Jul 06 13:52:34 I am curious though, what you were trying to do :) Jul 06 13:53:22 putty always drops me in at / i always have to cd /media/mmc1/liqbase Jul 06 13:53:30 i was just trying to save a little typing :'( Jul 06 13:53:49 you might just want to figure out why putty drops you at / Jul 06 13:54:00 also, have you been logging in and editing your code as root? Jul 06 13:54:21 :$ yes Jul 06 13:54:27 * lcuk thinks hes gonna get told off now Jul 06 13:54:36 meh, it's your machine Jul 06 13:54:41 indeed.... Jul 06 13:54:49 I would suggest you don't Jul 06 13:55:42 if you were another admin on a production server editing your shell scripts as root, I'd tell you off, though :) Jul 06 13:57:32 when I am on my N800 I can browse the network folders but I cannot see any of the files within the folders Jul 06 13:57:35 please help Jul 06 13:58:24 GeneralAntilles: (slow reply - sorry) I don't have that impression - I just wanted to double check. Dave N kinda gives the impression that the 770 is a second class citizen (I _know_ he doesn't speak for all) and I wondered if there is/was/should be some clear statement about the devices that maemo.org supports. I suggest raising it as a scoping issue for future debates. Saying "the focus is on non-eol devices" is, to my mind, not very Jul 06 13:58:25 different at all to "eol devices like the 770 are second class citizens". Jul 06 13:59:02 this isn't supposed to be a rant Jul 06 13:59:37 more a request for clarity about device support (which, I agree, then leads on to some knotty problems) Jul 06 14:00:04 well, the problem is that writing on the wiki comes from people who own devices Jul 06 14:00:15 eg - does the new extras process support the 770? why not? Jul 06 14:00:47 it should support those devices with os2008he.. Jul 06 14:00:53 johnx: I agree - but the community should be clear about helping manage multiple generation info or descoping it Jul 06 14:01:07 Interesting, on the DSP I have to loop ~700 times waiting for the ARM to free the buffers, on the ARM the buffers are always free Jul 06 14:01:20 perhaps that's why the code takes ~45s to run now Jul 06 14:01:34 and, at the end of the day, if maemo.org only has the resource to support current devices then what? Jul 06 14:01:36 but that is operating system rather than hardware device - windows 3.1 software is not listed as primary on microsofts site because its use is fading, but there are 3.1 specific sites out there where you can still obtain the infroamtion Jul 06 14:01:39 does anyone have any insight for my problem? :) Jul 06 14:01:58 maybe there should be a clearer archive/hand-off/integration steop to maemo-legacy.org :) Jul 06 14:02:01 lbt, the old wiki with 770 information exists? Jul 06 14:02:11 zetheroo: browse with what? Jul 06 14:02:12 this isn't about the wiki Jul 06 14:02:31 it's about the maemo.org community defenition which has been discussed over the last few weeks Jul 06 14:02:36 the wiki is an outcome Jul 06 14:02:44 I was using the File Manager to browse the shared folders on the network Jul 06 14:02:47 the wiki structure isn't great for the 770 Jul 06 14:02:59 if maemo.org supports the 770 then it's a bug Jul 06 14:03:06 if it doesn't then it's not : Jul 06 14:03:08 but when I select a folder it is "empty" .... Jul 06 14:03:08 :) Jul 06 14:03:16 but it should have heaps of media in it Jul 06 14:03:33 permissions problem? I don't know Jul 06 14:03:34 zetheroo, could it be a permissions thing? is guest allowed to see those files? Jul 06 14:03:41 zetheroo, shares should be passwordless Jul 06 14:03:56 like I said in my email - I don't have a 770 - but I guess the N800 will eol at some point - and then what? Jul 06 14:04:05 all those folders are shared from Ubuntu machines and they are all open shares Jul 06 14:04:09 no passwords Jul 06 14:04:25 then we will have the documentation written today by people with these devices and who know its quirks. Jul 06 14:04:51 but we leave it to stagnate? eg as far as extras goes? Jul 06 14:04:52 just like the 770 has it, we dont know the first thing about a 770 and it would be easy for one of us to misquote when copying data over Jul 06 14:05:35 i thought 770 users could access extras just fine with he on? Jul 06 14:05:40 thing is that I can access media from one computer Jul 06 14:05:45 hello room, sorry for my stupid question , i got a nokia 6680 can i use maemo with it ? Jul 06 14:05:48 but not from the one I am on right here and now Jul 06 14:05:48 does 770 run 2008? Jul 06 14:05:55 I thought not Jul 06 14:06:00 lbt, i believe there is a hacker edition Jul 06 14:06:01 extras works wiv 2008he Jul 06 14:06:12 and I thought the extras build process doesn't target 2006 Jul 06 14:06:17 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16901 Jul 06 14:06:44 OK - but it's *still* not the point - what is the maemo.org postition ? :) Jul 06 14:07:37 770 runs OS2008HE Jul 06 14:07:46 Which'll do fine with just about anything in Extras. Jul 06 14:07:51 GeneralAntilles: OK, that's fine Jul 06 14:08:01 so why should 770 info be hidden on the wiki? Jul 06 14:08:14 It's not hidden Jul 06 14:08:18 sorry Jul 06 14:08:21 mac6cast, I'm afraid not. Jul 06 14:08:22 i *would* like to see a few dedicated 770 users be allowed back into the *old* documentation area to clear out the crap from 2008 that infected it leaving pristine good quality n770 specific documentation, but i think the effort required would not be forthcoming Jul 06 14:08:28 DaveN is suggesting things like that Jul 06 14:08:44 thanks johnx :-( Jul 06 14:08:46 At a certain point, legacy support starts dragging things down (look at Microsoft for a general example). Jul 06 14:08:49 and lcuk - fine - if 770 owners don't care then tough!! Jul 06 14:09:00 The idea is to keep the information on the wiki as clean, clear and easy-to-access as possible. Jul 06 14:09:03 yes, but thats my point, the old area is still there Jul 06 14:09:04 GeneralAntilles: agreed - hence the need for clarification Jul 06 14:09:09 right now, maemo supports it Jul 06 14:09:34 lbt, part of the problem is that "maemo.org" isn't really one thing with a clear direction. ;) Jul 06 14:09:35 the argument here is whether it should be moved into the hot new stuff wiki Jul 06 14:09:38 if a device is 'supported' then DaveN's suggestion should get short shrift Jul 06 14:09:39 It's a lot of people with a lot of different ideas. Jul 06 14:09:46 :D Jul 06 14:09:50 yep Jul 06 14:10:02 and I think making some high level statements like this Jul 06 14:10:06 Which makes deciding "OK, this is what maemo.org is about" a difficult task. Jul 06 14:10:13 would help to guide a constistent direction Jul 06 14:10:35 and device support is wide-ranging but easy to grasp Jul 06 14:10:41 Generally speaking, I don't think legacy device support should be a priority if it gets in the way of current device support. Jul 06 14:10:44 I don't think there's going to be a hard and fast "consistent direction" on the 770... Jul 06 14:10:56 and, with the wiki, that old 770 stuff DEFINITELY gets in the way. Jul 06 14:11:15 Users who write documentation for the n8x0 probably won't write much about the 770, but nothing stops 770 users from stepping forward Jul 06 14:11:18 so m.org supports N810, N800 but N770 non-partiticipation has lead to it being deprecated Jul 06 14:11:22 is fine too Jul 06 14:11:31 There's no such thing as an "N770". Jul 06 14:11:39 GeneralAntilles, :P Jul 06 14:11:42 :) Jul 06 14:11:45 is a gcc 4.x based distro in the works? Jul 06 14:11:49 something i forgot to ask at linuxtag Jul 06 14:11:50 s/N770/770/ Jul 06 14:12:29 Really, though, I think this is going to be much less of an issue moving forward. Jul 06 14:12:32 770 support can be defined much more easily on smaller issues though Jul 06 14:12:34 The 770 is a bit of a special case. Jul 06 14:12:51 if you care about getting autobuilder running for OS2006, then talk to someone about it and see what the hold up is Jul 06 14:13:22 As the platform matures and stabilizes, and the hardware gets past a certain baseline, there'll be fewer major shakeups between revisions. Jul 06 14:13:51 GeneralAntilles: and that's a fair statement too - the intention is there Jul 06 14:14:06 http://maemo.pastebin.org/49010 what does this say to you regarding the polling loop sleep length on the ARM? Jul 06 14:14:53 OK - got to go again - sorry for dropping in and out... Jul 06 14:15:00 cheers :) Jul 06 14:16:50 For something like an OS2006 autobuilder, though, that's really a matter of somebody getting behind the effort. Jul 06 14:17:42 write, though hopefully the scripts are largely distro neutral otherwise we'll suffer growing pains going forwards Jul 06 14:17:47 s/write/right Jul 06 14:18:15 extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org Jul 06 14:19:10 johnx, since you compiled Modest, think you could have a go at the MicroB svn? :P Jul 06 14:19:30 johnx, :) ive done the final delete and ive rebooted and all is fine. thanks and ill look to changing stance Jul 06 14:19:40 thank you Jul 06 14:20:06 lcuk, sure, glad to help. Jul 06 14:20:18 GAN800, I'll take a swing at it later Jul 06 14:20:57 * GAN800 is tired of waiting on Navi and qwerty12. . . . Jul 06 14:21:02 I just did an ubuntu install to see if I like it again now that I figured out what piece of hardware was giving me problems with it earlier Jul 06 14:21:17 GAN800, great then. now you can wait on me instead Jul 06 14:21:35 The more the merrier. :D Jul 06 14:21:53 did they say it didn't build cleanly? or what was up with it? Jul 06 14:22:16 Navi was just damn lazy, and I think qwerty12 had trouble applying patches. Jul 06 14:22:49 if qwerty had trouble with patches I don't know what I'll be able to do O_o Jul 06 14:33:21 lardman: it tells me... nothing! Jul 06 14:33:36 :) Jul 06 14:39:18 johnx: johnx! :P Jul 06 14:39:34 rm_you, hey Jul 06 14:40:04 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 06 14:40:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199876&postcount=135 Jul 06 14:40:28 hmm, that's interesting, I can play via mplayer with the SW decoder fallback, but not with the DSP task. The fallback takes ~22s while the DSP takes ~18 to decode a test file... Jul 06 14:41:14 lol GA >_> Jul 06 14:41:19 and yet, unlol Jul 06 14:41:33 I'm not sure what functionality he's missing? Jul 06 14:41:42 The links to the control panels? <_< Jul 06 14:42:03 I really don't want to have install dialog like fiferboy uses, but it looks like enough people don't get it that it might be necessary. Jul 06 14:42:30 yeah :/ Jul 06 14:42:38 i thought about adding that several times :( Jul 06 14:43:43 wow...that's awesome. I finally buy a 4GB SDHC and it come factory direct improperly partitioned Jul 06 14:43:47 rm, They're quite trivial to add Jul 06 14:43:51 Maemo ignores the "Terminal=true" option in .desktop files? Jul 06 14:43:58 or it's just me doing something wrong Jul 06 14:44:59 johnx, huh? Improperly partitioned for what? Jul 06 14:45:24 eh, 1039 "cylinders", partition ends on cylinder 1040 Jul 06 14:45:48 hah, oh, I see. Jul 06 14:46:22 fixed it, formatting and I'll see if it works Jul 06 14:46:26 inz, sure, but they're also ugly as all get out. ;) Jul 06 14:47:27 johnx: what did that end up costing you? Jul 06 14:47:38 2500Y Jul 06 14:47:46 where'd you get it? Jul 06 14:47:59 rm_you, Hard-Off Jul 06 14:48:04 heh Jul 06 14:48:15 it's an "All-Ways" brand card Jul 06 14:48:19 lol Jul 06 14:48:39 I only remember them having REALLY crappy hardware, lol Jul 06 14:48:47 surprised they carry something up to 4g Jul 06 14:49:01 they had 8GB too, but no 16 or 32 Jul 06 14:49:13 and it's super cheap looking Jul 06 14:49:27 how super-cheap can amn SD card look? O_o Jul 06 14:49:29 I'll pick up another couple, maybe another 4GB and an 8GB next time I get to Akiba Jul 06 14:49:40 mainly the crappy logo on the sticker Jul 06 14:49:49 heh yeah Jul 06 14:50:10 but it works in my n800 and zaurus, so I'm happy Jul 06 14:50:29 throw another 4g in your Z and the 8g in the other slot on your n800? Jul 06 14:50:42 that's the general idea Jul 06 14:50:47 fun times Jul 06 14:51:00 and be able to keep projects installed on the 1GB and 2GB Jul 06 14:51:34 is SDHC a driver thing or is there actually a hardware component? Jul 06 14:51:45 I'm a little fuzzy on that myself Jul 06 14:51:53 SDHC is firmware issue. Jul 06 14:51:57 so Jul 06 14:52:00 My current uninformed thoughts is that it's a little of both Jul 06 14:52:04 GeneralAntilles, define "firmware" Jul 06 14:52:13 kernel code or something lower level? Jul 06 14:52:18 with the right firmware update, you could get an older machine with an SD card to support SDHC? Jul 06 14:52:25 Well, depends on the device Jul 06 14:52:36 For, say, the N800, it's a software issue Jul 06 14:52:42 for, say, a card reader, it's a firmware issue Jul 06 14:52:51 what about eeePC? Jul 06 14:52:56 rm_you, AFAIK, the zaurus was pre-sdhc but it just needed an updated driver Jul 06 14:52:57 the built-in doesnt support sdhc Jul 06 14:52:58 There isn't any hardware difference that I'm aware of, though. Jul 06 14:53:05 rm_you, are you kidding?! Jul 06 14:53:41 wouldn't read my 16g card, only my 4g >_> Jul 06 14:53:42 I think it depends on the level at which the kernel code intereacts with the card reader Jul 06 14:53:58 are there any faster sdhc cards than class 6? Jul 06 14:54:01 also, you have en eee pc now? Jul 06 14:54:08 no, a friend Jul 06 14:54:10 Kegetys, not that I know of Jul 06 14:54:36 I know the specs only define up to class 6 but I wonder if there are ones that are class 6 but actually can do much faster or something... Jul 06 14:54:54 eeePC supports SDHC AFAIK Jul 06 14:55:33 hrm Jul 06 14:58:15 it didn't seem to Jul 06 14:58:52 It probably has issues with some cards Jul 06 14:58:56 There's no way it doesn't. Jul 06 14:59:08 just like almost every SD using device I've ever seen Jul 06 15:01:12 hmm, how can I do a binary diff and look at the differences? Jul 06 15:01:12 GeneralAntilles: that's what i thought <_< Jul 06 15:01:29 Okay - perhaps a silly question/confirmation - still fighting to make this deb. I need a config file in home. It is installing it, however it is root owned. Is the way around it doing a post-install script to chown/chgrp it, or am I doing something else wrong? Jul 06 15:02:00 Psykosis: erp... dunno if you can do that without postinst <_< Jul 06 15:02:14 Does the post install run as root? Jul 06 15:02:17 dpkg isn't designed to install to user directories Jul 06 15:02:19 yes Jul 06 15:02:29 Okay - I bet that would work then... Jul 06 15:02:31 yeah Jul 06 15:03:49 does diff work on binaries? Jul 06 15:04:07 I think you use xdelta for binaries, but I'm not sure on patching anyways Jul 06 15:04:12 lardman: i tried it once, not-so-much :/ Jul 06 15:06:57 rm_you, as a point of interest, I got a2dp working, and I don't know how Jul 06 15:07:17 >.< Jul 06 15:07:44 hmm, will have to write a c program to tell me if the files are different Jul 06 15:08:16 well, diff will tell you if they're different, but not how Jul 06 15:08:18 * lcuk has tired fingers Jul 06 15:08:21 "binary files differ" Jul 06 15:08:45 Hmm.. that didn't work. :( Jul 06 15:08:56 what did it say? Jul 06 15:09:28 lardman, get something which will export your binary file as a hex+dec screen. Jul 06 15:09:32 then show the diffs on that Jul 06 15:09:32 I used to convert binaries into SREC format and then look at their differences. Jul 06 15:10:06 Need an opinon, does this look like the N810 schematics: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3400/snap1nu9.jpg . It looks different to the N800 one I have. Jul 06 15:10:13 kkrust1, SREC? source listing, ie char arrays? Jul 06 15:10:15 johnx: as a point of interest, that seems to be the way of it, and i haven't been able to break it again besides installing a horribly broken and semi-patched debian sid version of bluez-utils i tried compiling myself.... Jul 06 15:10:40 kkrust1: what can I use to do that? Jul 06 15:10:41 rm_you, update to mplayer 28 :) that'll break it Jul 06 15:10:48 lol will it? :P Jul 06 15:10:58 lcuk: md5sum will tell you if they're different :P Jul 06 15:11:00 rm_you, I think it had something to do with re-pairing after I made the change and rebooted Jul 06 15:11:11 rm_you, but not whats different Jul 06 15:11:15 lardman: let me try to look up a GNU application that can do that Jul 06 15:11:22 I think it might remember the supported services at the time of first pairing or something? Jul 06 15:11:39 maybe? >_> Jul 06 15:11:51 yeah, possibly re-pair, re-boot Jul 06 15:12:00 lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-record Jul 06 15:12:20 kkrust1, i just saw Jul 06 15:12:35 but its not readable Jul 06 15:12:37 ;) Jul 06 15:13:20 I think I'm about to <3: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6100/snap2ov0.jpg Jul 06 15:13:34 lcuk: I cant imagine how binary diff can be readable. You could probably look at map files emitted by the linker Jul 06 15:14:01 lardman: do you need to know HOW they're different, or just that they ARE? Jul 06 15:14:04 lardman: have you tried objcopy? Jul 06 15:14:05 kkrusty, binary diff would still show you the strings in the file that are different Jul 06 15:14:30 get a program which will export this: http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/CDE/_HEXEDIT.GIF Jul 06 15:14:43 "od" will do that Jul 06 15:14:43 then doing the diff will show you the ascii portion Jul 06 15:14:45 or "xxd" Jul 06 15:15:03 thanks rm Jul 06 15:15:23 I would go for xxd, haven't seen od recently since like fedora 4 Jul 06 15:15:28 err, maybe fedora 2 Jul 06 15:15:29 if you're interested in ASCII strings you should look at "strings" Jul 06 15:16:05 johnx: lol, remember having to do "strings `which glxgears`" to find out how to show fps in ubuntu? >_> Jul 06 15:16:07 so stupid Jul 06 15:16:14 heh Jul 06 15:16:15 johnx, lardman wants to see a diff of a binary, the hex might be important, the best way is to export it into something textual that diff can understand and also showing clearly whats changed Jul 06 15:16:57 hrm, so my senior software project went live recently apparently Jul 06 15:17:09 awesome rm_you :D Jul 06 15:17:26 people throughout america now have no running water or lights Jul 06 15:17:43 just that they are different, what doesn't matter Jul 06 15:17:55 sorry for the tardy response, am tidying :( Jul 06 15:18:01 built from the ground up by my team: http://www.texaswineandwineryguide.com/ :) Jul 06 15:18:12 lardman: lol, compare md5sums Jul 06 15:18:18 shopping and tidyign in one day, my god simon you are smitten :) Jul 06 15:18:52 sorry for the annoyingly long name, our client was... kinda.... well, he doesnt understand the internet. Jul 06 15:18:52 lardman, diff will work Jul 06 15:19:03 rm_you, this site is crap, i cant find the .install file anywhere Jul 06 15:19:06 lol Jul 06 15:19:23 apt-get install wine Jul 06 15:19:49 awwww they got rid of the reflection script <_< Jul 06 15:20:05 rm_you: ah yes, of course Jul 06 15:20:07 probably decided the license was bad Jul 06 15:20:09 johnx: ok, cool Jul 06 15:24:20 Ok, anyone with an N810 needing repair, hit me up, I've got the Nokia N810 service manuals Jul 06 15:25:51 Nice Jul 06 15:25:54 Anything interesting? Jul 06 15:27:11 Dunno, haven't looked through the 188 pages yet :). There's a lot of hardware pics though. Jul 06 15:27:48 Fanoush was asking for the N810 schematics, I'll drop him a line. Jul 06 15:28:44 just as a note, don't send that to him unless he agrees Jul 06 15:28:55 hi guys :D Jul 06 15:29:03 johnx, yeah :) Jul 06 15:29:08 qwerty12, I don't know about the legal implications behind that guide, but better safe than sorry Jul 06 15:29:41 Yeah, I don't want to get him f***ed up, just saw one of his posts asking if the N810 schematics were available Jul 06 15:30:13 Wow, I think this seriously might be the worst Logitech mouse I've ever owned. . . . Jul 06 15:30:13 yeah, this is somewhere between available and not available... Jul 06 15:31:04 Man, I got to get my ass down to Staffordshire and meet with someone I know there who works in phone servicing. Nokia have a *lot* of equipment to test the N8*0. Jul 06 15:31:12 First the thumb wheel started making crunching noises, then freespin stopped working and now the rubberized coating on the body shell is pealing off. Jul 06 15:31:56 GeneralAntilles, cheap MS mice for me. They last waaaay longer than I want them to Jul 06 15:32:02 GeneralAntilles, it sounds like a problem with acid sweat than the mouse Jul 06 15:32:25 The mouse is like a month old, too. Jul 06 15:32:26 hrm, sleep for me. i shall return! Jul 06 15:32:33 gnite rm Jul 06 15:32:35 night rm_you Jul 06 15:32:36 Guess I'll be calling Logitech on Monday. :\ Jul 06 15:33:49 back later Jul 06 15:36:31 'night rm_you Jul 06 15:36:38 umm guys can i use linux deb run file for my n800? Jul 06 15:36:47 ? Jul 06 15:36:48 infact use only that file for run Jul 06 15:37:09 and put my pc games on a dir for run! Jul 06 15:37:50 lol . . . Jul 06 15:38:45 Italodance: run what and where? Jul 06 15:39:59 kkrust1 example i want to install a linux deb game file and also add the data to my n800 too Jul 06 15:40:03 can it work? Jul 06 15:40:30 You mean having the game data inside the deb file? Jul 06 15:40:55 is that deb made for the n8*0? Jul 06 15:42:13 no Jul 06 15:43:07 Anyways, from what I can tell, I don't use phoenix in the N800's flash mode, I'll have to connect it up a nokia "box" (as they are called). Jul 06 15:43:31 you mean no to it being made for the n800? Jul 06 15:44:36 Can someone (preferably whom would be interested in Music Sequencing on the Nokia) test out this deb to make sure it functions on a clean NIT? (http://nit.psykosis.net/Milkytracker-0.90.80-1_all.deb) Jul 06 15:44:55 hey guys. is it to expect that all repositorys will get an diablo distribution up and running? i am asking because of telepathy-haze. there are just packages for chinook and i don't wanna damage my new diablo. Jul 06 15:45:14 Clean == not perhaps having residues from my testing. Jul 06 15:45:43 qos, contact the devlopers themselves and see if they have any plans to upgrade their software Jul 06 15:46:21 big lightning Jul 06 15:46:25 back in a bit Jul 06 15:46:33 on the whole chinook stuff works and even testing it for them and dropping a line to say "hey, this works in diablo, perhaps you should include it" would be a good thing Jul 06 15:46:47 we had a similar storm earlier Jul 06 15:47:07 It's dark as hell down here in London, no storm/lightning though. Jul 06 15:47:15 Any Midnight Commander fans out there? I need some beta testers Jul 06 15:48:25 lcuk_, storm? Jul 06 15:48:47 Generally speaking Chinook stuff will work fine in Diablo. Jul 06 15:48:55 yes, a shedload of rain a big black cloud and lots of thunder. typical definition of a storm Jul 06 15:49:01 The desired goal is for 3rd party repositories to mostly be shut down. ;) Jul 06 15:49:41 lcuk_, very kind. thanks Jul 06 15:52:53 WOWWW Jul 06 15:54:04 GeneralAntilles, that sounds like a reasonable goal, given the changes that are being made to the development process. Jul 06 15:59:31 Psykosis, wow, that's quite a screenie. Jul 06 16:01:15 :) Jul 06 16:02:34 Is there any better irc client than pidgin for maemo? Jul 06 16:02:39 xchat Jul 06 16:02:41 kkrusty, xchat Jul 06 16:02:45 it's in diablo extras now Jul 06 16:02:51 cool Jul 06 16:03:01 anyone got the default chat program working with irc? Jul 06 16:03:05 through rtcomm beta Jul 06 16:03:23 I've had it working with standard settings but to be honest, the effort isn't worth it. Jul 06 16:03:57 on 2008HE it lets me join a room, but then i cant see any chat or send any Jul 06 16:04:26 Hmm, I could see and send chat in #maemo with rtcomm beta. Jul 06 16:06:33 qwerty12, you want to comment on this one? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405 Jul 06 16:07:26 I'll try, I installed my copy from an old copy of the tableteer repo :/ Jul 06 16:08:03 I guess the questions are, is it definitely in the Diablo Tools repo, and is it in User/? Jul 06 16:08:40 Ahh, It's in the diablo sdk repo, give me a sec. Jul 06 16:10:30 I guess, really, his issue is that it's no longer in user/ Jul 06 16:10:52 and, personally, I don't think that belongs in user/ Jul 06 16:11:19 With the Diablo SDK repo, they made things a little more funky. it took me a while to figure out a working sources.list line for it :/ Jul 06 16:11:23 True Jul 06 16:12:01 I dunno if I buy his line that it showed up under Chinook, though. According to http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/ it's "Section: admin" Jul 06 16:13:03 Ugh, I hate his bugs. Jul 06 16:15:22 This one is most probably INVALID, too. . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2999 Jul 06 16:16:40 I'd agree. It will list packages to restore that were installed by a local deb file using the application manager, but naturally the tablet won't know where that deb file came from if it isn't in a repo. Jul 06 16:17:12 This needs to be split up or something. . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2900 Jul 06 16:18:06 That's his fault. He wants to install a chinook package, but the package has been updated in diablo. Jul 06 16:19:01 #2900 is way before Diablo Jul 06 16:19:09 That was filed in February. Jul 06 16:19:16 Ah, my bad. Jul 06 16:19:28 Either way, it's a pretty terrible bug. Jul 06 16:20:53 #2999 needs a new summary, needs to be moved to Application manager, and needs to be an enhancement. Jul 06 16:20:57 the web browser is not getting out of its "Updating" phase. Is that expected? Jul 06 16:21:05 Diablo? Jul 06 16:21:08 Updating is loading the engine Jul 06 16:21:21 yes. Diablo Jul 06 16:21:29 I've seen browserd go weird after a crash once or twice. Jul 06 16:21:38 killall browserd may fix it Jul 06 16:21:40 or just reboot Jul 06 16:21:40 Open up root x-term and type /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart Jul 06 16:21:48 or that ^ Jul 06 16:23:44 that worked. Thanks Jul 06 16:23:54 np Jul 06 16:24:14 ~lart windows installer for not clearing up it's crap Jul 06 16:24:14 * infobot beats windows installer to within 2.54cm of his life for not clearing up it's crap Jul 06 16:24:27 infobot, next time kill windows installer Jul 06 16:24:48 ~kill windows installer Jul 06 16:24:49 * infobot shoots a inverse electron gun at windows installer Jul 06 16:24:58 Ooh, even better, ta Jul 06 16:25:42 I'm now removing all traces of nokia and deskey by hand >.< Jul 06 16:26:50 re Jul 06 16:26:59 hi lardman Jul 06 16:27:13 hey qwerty12 Jul 06 16:33:02 hahaha omg :D Jul 06 16:33:03 hmm, is there any app or other way to have some kind of "power profiles", ie. different screen turn off time and lock behaviour depending on various parameters? Jul 06 16:33:05 os.popen("/home/user/liqbase/liqbase " + snesg) Jul 06 16:33:17 does that work? Jul 06 16:33:34 * lcuk_ is surprised at the inginuity of the oss crowd ;) Jul 06 16:34:40 Kegetys, look at acmonitor Jul 06 16:35:19 at very least that will get you different power profiles for AC and battery Jul 06 16:35:31 to do more than that you can use dbus-scripts to listen for events and act on them Jul 06 16:35:42 Anybody recall a bug for clearer Application manager errors? Jul 06 16:36:14 I'd like to have the screen stay on longer if the keyboard is out, and also if I'm connected to the home wlan (I'm close to a charger if that is the case) Jul 06 16:36:17 does somebody know if the maemo pidgin version is also affected by the "your version is too old bug"? Jul 06 16:37:27 Kegetys, maybe acmonitor could be modified to do that Jul 06 16:37:48 or you could look at what it does, and re-create the same setup using dbus-scripts Jul 06 16:37:58 I'll look at it, thanks Jul 06 16:37:59 I don't think there is a "ready to go" solution though... Jul 06 16:38:42 Kegetys, I'd look at making a daemon on python or the like, there is already slidelock. That one could be very easily modified to meet the first condition. Jul 06 16:39:06 qwerty12, didn't you file a bug about Application manager's "operation already in progress"? Jul 06 16:39:24 Nope, only bug I filed was a garage bug. Jul 06 16:39:49 Somebody filed a bug about that. . . . Jul 06 16:39:54 I can't find it, though. :\ Jul 06 16:40:18 Aha Jul 06 16:40:20 lardman bug Jul 06 16:41:36 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3064 Jul 06 16:42:41 I used to keep tapping the update repo icon to see if it wasn't busy but that's a fail in diablo because I need to be in red pill and they removed the confirmation screen asking you if you wanted to update :/ Jul 06 16:42:45 ah, that little beauty Jul 06 16:42:55 I was told it had been fixed though Jul 06 16:43:28 lardman, by whom? Jul 06 16:43:30 and when? Jul 06 16:43:38 They should've resolved the bug if it was fixed. <_< Jul 06 16:43:55 qwerty12, have you seen it in Diablo? Jul 06 16:43:57 I haven't noticed. Jul 06 16:44:06 hmm, maybe it was another one then, I thought it was in the bugzilla Jul 06 16:44:28 ah no, I'm probably thinking of the losing position when the list updates bug Jul 06 16:44:35 I still get no indication when installing debs from the browser in diablo but that's because I have a lot of repos and that equals slowdown :/ Jul 06 16:44:59 It's more of a matter of the appplication manager speed, it should be able to tell if it's been opened by dbus and not cache the available applications and check for updates :/ Jul 06 16:45:05 vote it up then chaps :) Jul 06 16:45:30 Go on then :) Jul 06 16:45:41 it's my bug, can I vote for it? Jul 06 16:45:48 Yes :) Jul 06 16:45:57 (dunno if it's "acceptable" though :)) Jul 06 16:46:12 One these https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=S.G.Pickering%40bath.ac.uk ? Jul 06 16:46:31 lardman, yes. Jul 06 16:46:35 I vote on bugs I feel strongly about. Jul 06 16:47:01 It's a prioritization method, and it works better if it counts as many heads as possible. Jul 06 16:47:03 lardman, btw, did you ever try agps in "debug" mode? I don't think it did anything but I have a N800 anyway :) Jul 06 16:47:07 That's my feeling, anyway. Jul 06 16:47:10 GeneralAntilles: 1622 probably Jul 06 16:47:29 qwerty12: no, didn't know it could be done... how? Jul 06 16:47:53 There's a gconf flag, when I set it to one though, I didn't notice anything visibly different though. Jul 06 16:48:11 (I'd write the key name but I'm gconf-editor less now and I suck at gconftool :)) Jul 06 16:49:01 Updated bug #2900 . . . Jul 06 16:49:10 Right, ponder this one. I've swapped back (for testing at least) to the bulk transfer method for SBC Jul 06 16:49:37 the DSP decodes in 18.78+0.08+3.61s, the SW fallback decoder in 23.02+2.63+1.32s Jul 06 16:50:05 yet the SW fallback decoder produces far longer output than the DSP task (10-15s vs 4s) Jul 06 16:50:25 I've produced output file using both, with the same encoder options as Bluez use and they are identical Jul 06 16:50:29 I'm a bit confused Jul 06 16:51:06 23seconds at what cpu speed? Jul 06 16:51:46 hmm yes that is an issue Jul 06 16:51:55 True say, what op mode are you in? Jul 06 16:51:58 bbiab to have a think about how to fix that Jul 06 16:52:11 k Jul 06 16:55:48 big storm here Jul 06 16:55:51 again Jul 06 16:56:01 We're ok in London :) Jul 06 16:56:51 keesj: yeah, see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design#Install_steps Jul 06 17:01:34 Jaffa: do you have experience with the quilt system? Jul 06 17:02:26 I think it would match even better then the current svn aproach Jul 06 17:08:18 bbl Jul 06 17:10:13 finally maeo.org/downloads is working on my country now :D Jul 06 17:17:01 tomorrow: Jul 06 17:17:03 2008-07-07/07-12 GUADEC 2008(Ciragan Caddesi Besiktas 34353Istanbul, Turkey 41° 2.736 N 29° 1.164 E )2008-03-18T12:56:54Z Jul 06 17:23:49 How could I disable the splash screen of N800, in order to see the startup messages? Jul 06 17:24:12 That's a johnx question. Jul 06 17:24:50 hellwolf, let me dig up a link Jul 06 17:25:10 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18948&highlight=bootsplash Jul 06 17:30:26 johnx, thanks, it seems not very easy, the thing that i want to do is to check why I can't boot my machine when a 4G SDHC inserted into the external slot Jul 06 17:31:09 It seem that fanoush added fb_update to his latest initfs...but not, it's not exactly easy to setup Jul 06 17:35:32 Hrm, interesting quote: "Our goal is to have the same UI on both Linux and Symbian, and the Qt platform lets us move forward toward that, with its cross platform technology." Jul 06 17:42:53 GeneralAntilles: Where is the quote from? Jul 06 17:43:20 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2179927448.html Jul 06 17:43:44 Is symban what is on most nokia phones? I had a 6265i, and was not really a fan of that interface Jul 06 17:45:00 Yeah, I'm not particularly in love with any cellphone interface. Jul 06 17:45:05 summatusmentis, that ain't symbian Jul 06 17:45:28 GeneralAntilles: the iPhone interface is nice, and I'm really liking my Palm Centro Jul 06 17:45:36 qwerty12_N800: oh, ok Jul 06 17:45:42 Eh, iPhone is OK Jul 06 17:45:50 But it doesn't really support multitasking. Jul 06 17:45:56 No comment on anything Palm. :P Jul 06 17:46:02 question about the RSS feeder: im having no luck with the auto add feed or a manual entry, the site is craigslist. question being, is the rss thing just like that? picky? Jul 06 17:46:14 but they fixed it so it's broken multi-tasking, and so you have no control over it! Jul 06 17:46:38 DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 Jul 06 17:46:47 Palm is such a cesspool Jul 06 17:46:59 They haven't even had a theme change in, what, 8 years? Jul 06 17:47:04 if the software supports saving and restoring its state quickly multi tasking doesnt matter that much Jul 06 17:47:29 lcuk_, except when it does Jul 06 17:47:33 :) Jul 06 17:47:43 I think Nokia should think about the work being done with the canola interface. It's rich and very finger friendly which is where a lot of today's phones are progressing towards (touch screens) Jul 06 17:47:45 GeneralAntilles: I agree Palm is not terribly attractive, but I really like the speed, and clean-ness of the interface. Jul 06 17:47:50 Well, here's what I frequently do with my N800: IRC, IM, browse the web and watch TV with HAVA. Jul 06 17:47:56 Get back to me when the iPhone can manage that. Jul 06 17:48:08 JamieBennett, thanks, no. Jul 06 17:48:14 it does all of the above, save for maybe HAVA Jul 06 17:48:14 :) Jul 06 17:48:16 JamieBennett, we are heading there already :) Jul 06 17:48:29 only betterer (imho) Jul 06 17:48:37 lcuk_: we are? Jul 06 17:48:38 JamieBennett, for some tasks, I agree with you, for others it just doesn't fit Jul 06 17:48:38 lcuk Lets hope so Jul 06 17:48:43 summatusmentis, at the same time? Jul 06 17:48:51 WITHOUT jailbreaking? :P Jul 06 17:49:02 GeneralAntilles: I think so... Jul 06 17:49:13 The iphone interface is a similar interface and would rather see that on an open device than on an apple one Jul 06 17:49:14 I don't, and won't ever, own an iPhone Jul 06 17:49:24 summatusmentis, Appstore hasn't even launched. ;) Jul 06 17:49:30 and it DEFINITELY doesn't multitask like that. Jul 06 17:49:32 summatusmentis, liqbase rendering could be tasked towards anything :) Jul 06 17:49:43 lcuk_: :) Jul 06 17:50:00 I haven't had a chance to look at that yet, I had an HD fail Jul 06 17:50:02 Canola's style of interface works for some things Jul 06 17:50:04 but not for all. Jul 06 17:50:10 Personally, I like Hildon Jul 06 17:50:18 It's an effective compromise for my purposes. Jul 06 17:50:29 needs to be a bit more finger friendly Jul 06 17:50:36 but otherwise I agree Jul 06 17:50:42 lcuk_, go on, you know you want to modify hildon-desktop + matchbox-window-manager with liqbase code :p Jul 06 17:50:55 qwerty12_N800, patience :) Jul 06 17:50:57 :P Jul 06 17:51:15 :P Jul 06 17:51:38 I'd like to see an approach similar to the eeepc, a simple interface by default than can be made into a more geeky one with a little effort Jul 06 17:52:05 JamieBennett, we don't have that? Jul 06 17:52:22 On Nokia's new QT/hybrid phones I mean Jul 06 17:52:37 Meh, cellphones suck Jul 06 17:52:47 I want my cellphone to make calls and be a modem Jul 06 17:52:56 Thin, small, clamshell. Jul 06 17:53:00 * johnx looks forward to android Jul 06 17:53:17 johnx: I wish OpenMoko would take off Jul 06 17:53:31 They need clearer direction and real hardware. Jul 06 17:53:37 All I want to do is patch the statusbar to show more icons :/ Jul 06 17:53:38 summatusmentis, I just don't know if it can get the backing they need Jul 06 17:53:48 They're not well positioned for it. . . . Jul 06 17:53:53 GeneralAntilles: They're selling hardware now Jul 06 17:54:00 _real_ hardware Jul 06 17:54:01 anybody knows where I can get zip? Jul 06 17:54:06 when you're on the devil's playground (cell carriers) you sometimes have to play by their rules Jul 06 17:54:06 GeneralAntilles: what does that mean? Jul 06 17:54:09 Not hardware that might've been considered mediocre 3 years ago. Jul 06 17:54:21 its 640*480 display Jul 06 17:54:31 summatusmentis, the lack of 3G or even EDGE hurts... Jul 06 17:54:37 johnx: yes, I agree Jul 06 17:54:43 does it have wifi Jul 06 17:54:46 johnx, +1 Jul 06 17:54:50 yes, it has wifi Jul 06 17:54:54 and bluetooth Jul 06 17:54:58 Somebody like Nokia is in a much better position to push open source. Jul 06 17:55:13 ok +1 openmoko -> Crappy phone for internet is 1 up on No phone for internet Jul 06 17:55:29 I think google's android approach will work out better on phones than Nokia could manage Jul 06 17:55:44 I want to see the Nokia Linux phone, Nokia *knows* about phones. Jul 06 17:55:47 I'm woried android won't be open enough Jul 06 17:55:47 I just don't care about what runs on my cellphone Jul 06 17:55:51 I like the 2-device setup. Jul 06 17:56:21 GeneralAntilles, what if they did an apple and upgraded the modem in it? Jul 06 17:56:30 summatusmentis, we'll see when we get there. IIRC, google pledged to release davlik under the apache license when the first phone came out Jul 06 17:56:45 OpenMoko? They'd still need real battery life. Jul 06 17:56:49 If someone could consolidate the tablet idea with a phone, without losing focus on the initial intent, I'd be all over Jul 06 17:56:53 over it Jul 06 17:57:02 Bleh Jul 06 17:57:09 Tablets have to be bigger than phones. Jul 06 17:57:16 I'm not holding an N800 to the side of my face. Jul 06 17:57:24 Any smaller and it's worthless as a tablet Jul 06 17:57:24 that would look an n-gage aka the taco phone Jul 06 17:57:45 side talkin! Jul 06 17:57:46 never said you wanted to GeneralAntilles, the modem would be used for data Jul 06 17:58:00 could^ Jul 06 17:58:31 lcuk_: agreed, I'd be ok with even a phone modem for 'net connectivity Jul 06 17:58:34 I'm just not interested in a convergence device. Jul 06 17:58:46 and since my cellphone really only does two things, I don't care what it runs. Jul 06 17:59:05 GeneralAntilles: how do you do pim? Jul 06 17:59:14 I don't have need of it at the moment. Jul 06 17:59:28 phone has an addressbook, I suppose. Jul 06 17:59:45 But I don't have the schedule load to justify a calendar or todo Jul 06 17:59:55 well, yeah, I use my phone for pim/text/phone/modem, and IT for browsing, etc. Jul 06 18:00:06 Besides, any information I need is online. Jul 06 18:00:13 So if I need something, just tether up and get it. Jul 06 18:00:29 * lcuk_ gets GeneralAntilles's bank details from online Jul 06 18:00:38 I've tried to do PIM in the past Jul 06 18:01:06 but the result has always been me spending an inordinate amount of time screwing with the PIM Jul 06 18:02:05 I'm actually waiting for the first android phone from htc Jul 06 18:02:58 I think I can manage my gps, emails and im on a little smaller screen Jul 06 18:02:58 there are couple of location aware apps I would like to be able to do one-handed. The tablet formfactor just doesn't cut it for one-handed use Jul 06 18:03:09 as long as there is slideout keyboard Jul 06 18:03:22 johnx, definitely true. Jul 06 18:03:45 I would *love* a phone in the zaurus 5500 form factor running android Jul 06 18:03:58 johnx: oof... that's a bit bulky for me Jul 06 18:04:27 scale is everything. I'm like 190cm tall Jul 06 18:05:08 I dunno, if I had something that used linux, i'd like it to run ELF/ARM EABI (?) bina Jul 06 18:05:14 ries too. Jul 06 18:05:38 just scout out an android phone that's fairly open Jul 06 18:05:44 sorry, pressed down in hildon-im while typing. Jul 06 18:05:52 some will certainly be more hackable than others Jul 06 18:06:05 qwerty12_N800: most current embedded linux stuff is ARM EABI Jul 06 18:06:25 ah, okay Jul 06 18:06:30 summatusmentis, but android only allows apps written in their pseudo-java language Jul 06 18:06:42 also, phone running android don't necessarily have to have an ARM CPU Jul 06 18:06:49 could be MIPS32 or somesuch Jul 06 18:07:13 meh... Android seems kinda lackluster, and late Jul 06 18:07:25 compared to what? Jul 06 18:07:33 I feel like iPhone has too much of a foothold for android to take off Jul 06 18:07:43 summatusmentis, thing bigger picture :) Jul 06 18:08:02 in what sense? Jul 06 18:08:09 anyone tried carman on tablet? Jul 06 18:08:13 google would be stupid if the end goal wasn't for this to be on basically every "free" carrier-subsidized cell phone Jul 06 18:08:14 Meh, I'd like to judge by sales out of US :) Jul 06 18:08:25 thinking about buying obd-II adapter and testing... Jul 06 18:08:34 qwerty12_N800: sales in the US are all I know :) Jul 06 18:08:37 most people (in the US at least) still grab a cheap or almost-free phone rather than shell out for a smart phone Jul 06 18:08:57 johnx: free touch-based phones? sign me up Jul 06 18:09:01 wiza, I did a while ago. Jul 06 18:09:03 but is it feasible? Jul 06 18:09:04 It's quite cool Jul 06 18:09:09 summatusmentis, android doesn't need touch Jul 06 18:09:11 the new version should be even better. Jul 06 18:09:14 cheap phone won't have it Jul 06 18:09:31 Does carman work with RC car? Jul 06 18:09:43 johnx: ok, fair enough Jul 06 18:09:48 qwerty12_N800, provided it has an OBDII compliant ECU Jul 06 18:10:11 summatusmentis, heh...we'll see if my theory is right in a year or two Jul 06 18:10:22 but the minimum specs for android are pretty low Jul 06 18:10:31 It has charger port, think i could rewire it? Jul 06 18:10:39 johnx: yep :) Jul 06 18:10:43 I think my volvo s40 t4 -00 has one Jul 06 18:10:51 what software people uses to take N8xx screenshots? Jul 06 18:11:03 the cpu-statusbar plugin doesn't work :) Jul 06 18:11:31 wiza, all cars post 1996 do. Jul 06 18:11:42 zap, x11vnc Jul 06 18:11:48 um Jul 06 18:11:51 something simpler? Jul 06 18:11:59 zap, load-applet. that applet depends on osso-screenshot-tool be installed Jul 06 18:12:09 zap, what are you taking screenshots of Jul 06 18:12:10 osso-screenshot-tool Jul 06 18:12:17 er, what qwerty12_N800 said. Jul 06 18:12:39 ElmScan5 Wireless is 165 euros... Jul 06 18:12:41 lcuk_: did yet another port of midnight commander :) Jul 06 18:12:55 ahhh right Jul 06 18:12:57 hmm, no osso-screenshot-tool in repos Jul 06 18:13:22 zap, any good? current port sucks, i had to set up debian chroot :/ Jul 06 18:13:34 qwerty12_N800: mine is perfect :-] Jul 06 18:13:41 great! Jul 06 18:13:48 GeneralAntilles: does usb connection work or does it have to be bluetooth? Jul 06 18:14:01 I never bothered to test with USB Jul 06 18:14:03 qwerty12_N800: if you're brave enough http://cs.ozerki.net/zap/maemo/mc.install Jul 06 18:14:13 I just used the rs-232 ElmScan with a BT adaptor Jul 06 18:14:26 zap, thanks, installing now Jul 06 18:15:42 GeneralAntilles: so that package which costs wayy more than normal one only has normal 10 euro bluetooth stick on the package? Jul 06 18:16:02 Dunno Jul 06 18:16:15 but a Bluetooth host adaptor isn't going to do you, I don't think. Jul 06 18:16:32 I very much doubt the ElmScan supports host mode Jul 06 18:16:49 yeah... figured, well, gotta try and find cheapest used one somewhere Jul 06 18:17:17 It's definitely a cool tool to have around Jul 06 18:17:26 Diagnosed a broken oxygen sensor on my dad's Volvo Jul 06 18:17:52 It'll be even cooler as a trip logger/GPS device with the new carman Jul 06 18:18:18 GeneralAntilles: Looking forward to the new version of carman, especially seeing it's code in an open repository again Jul 06 18:18:35 It looks rather incredibly badass. Jul 06 18:18:43 The trip logger is especially cool. Jul 06 18:19:27 I drive a lot and don't have a trip computer so Carman with the trip logging would be very cool Jul 06 18:19:51 Fun to play with route distance/consumption/time calculation. Jul 06 18:19:57 Find the faster/most efficient way to work. Jul 06 18:19:58 it's only 100 euros in the states Jul 06 18:20:01 fuk Jul 06 18:20:11 No sales tax, woo! Jul 06 18:21:12 unless I it gets caught in customs which meast 12% customs and 22% vat Jul 06 18:21:32 it's a gift I tell you! Jul 06 18:21:38 :D Jul 06 18:22:08 **JamieBennett needs to find some US friends to send gifts ;) Jul 06 18:23:00 * qwerty12_N800 got an uncle in WA, i'll bribe him :p Jul 06 18:23:07 :) Jul 06 18:23:16 can he send me a PS3? Jul 06 18:23:29 Hehe Jul 06 18:23:40 Is it cheaper there? Jul 06 18:23:50 Most electronics are Jul 06 18:24:39 :(. Adobe's excuse for charging us double is that we have smaller population. Jul 06 18:24:48 Yes, our evil socialist government isn't quite as good at sucking us dry at every turn as yours. Jul 06 18:24:49 I live in Finland, everything is cheaper everywhere else Jul 06 18:24:52 well, almost Jul 06 18:25:13 aren't taxes high in Finland? Jul 06 18:25:29 yep Jul 06 18:25:35 ouch. Jul 06 18:27:16 basically when you work for that piece of bread, 90% of the work you did went to the government, income tax, value added tax, all those mandatory not-really-taxes, transporting that bread with 1,5 euros/litre gas etc Jul 06 18:27:24 yeah, government takes your money Jul 06 18:28:08 I don't know how you guys put up with it. Jul 06 18:28:59 wiza: Its 1.5 POUNDS here in the UK for a litre of petrol! Jul 06 18:29:17 that's actually more than here O_o Jul 06 18:30:08 * dieman wonders Jul 06 18:30:22 JamieBennett: yeah, I just almost want to shoot someone whining about $1 per litre gas... Jul 06 18:30:28 wiza, you should organise mass tax evasion scheme and tell them to stop their Paska Jul 06 18:30:37 wiza: indeed Jul 06 18:30:44 yah, but we get bilked for staying alive here Jul 06 18:30:53 holy cow... that's a lot of money Jul 06 18:30:59 qwerty12_N800: believe me, I pay as less taxes as I can Jul 06 18:31:02 dieman: and billed for dieing ;) Jul 06 18:31:18 wiza, nice one :p Jul 06 18:31:21 qwerty12_N800: kinda makes sense, less people buying, same amount of work required :/ Jul 06 18:32:00 true, I can't they got a point but it still hurts! :( Jul 06 18:32:08 heh Jul 06 18:32:17 s/can't/can't deny/ Jul 06 18:32:17 qwerty12_N800 meant: true, I can't deny they got a point but it still hurts! :( Jul 06 18:32:39 I see the list for the summit hasn't grown lately, I would of thought there would be a mass surge of registrations in the first couple of days Jul 06 18:33:17 (of people attending that is) Jul 06 18:38:15 well it is in september Jul 06 18:39:32 MangoFusion: With these things you usually get a sudden rush when its announced, a steady stream and a last minute rush. It doesn't seem like there has been the initial rush yet. Has Nokia announced the numbers they _expect_ to be at the summit? Jul 06 18:40:46 plus i wouldn't have figured it out if i hadn't just noticed the topic Jul 06 18:40:59 so perhaps not many of the right people are aware of it yet? Jul 06 18:41:36 MangoFusion: Maybe more advertising is needed then? Jul 06 18:41:47 *** Off to blog now Jul 06 18:42:34 never a bad idea Jul 06 18:42:49 maybe a little hype is needed too Jul 06 18:43:02 MangoFusion: Indeed Jul 06 18:46:48 qwerty12_N800, you multitask as much as me Jul 06 18:47:16 don't get you :/ Jul 06 18:48:40 here and itt Jul 06 18:48:47 Phones is not my cup of coffe currently Jul 06 18:48:52 ahh :) Jul 06 18:49:25 multitask, I'm scratching my nose whist watching the tele and typing, does that count? ;) Jul 06 18:49:47 I really enjoyed linuxtag a lot , I guess linuxtag + fosdem is enough for me Jul 06 18:50:09 keesj, are you coming to the summit Jul 06 18:52:24 lcuk_: I don't know yet. perhaps I can combine it with a holiday but like I said phones .... Jul 06 18:53:19 unless maemo is going to do phones. Didn't quim say he was going to amounce something that would amaze us? Jul 06 18:53:32 keesj: Lets hope so Jul 06 18:54:01 Or did he already and where not amazed :p Jul 06 18:54:10 PowerVR stuff and Fremantle stuff most likely. Jul 06 18:54:56 I'm off to OSim and the Maemo Summit and I have little interest in the mobile space (although I do have some interest). The tablets, Linux and of course networking is a big thing. Jul 06 18:55:02 (people networking) Jul 06 18:55:13 my gf uses the n810 as remote control for the dreambox Jul 06 18:55:58 really seeing people makes such a difference. Jul 06 18:56:51 keesj: Working remotely from my central base at work I can concur wholeheartedly! Jul 06 18:58:08 are you the same person as on http://www.linuxuk.org/ ? Jul 06 18:58:27 keesj: Yes Jul 06 18:59:30 that sports tracker thingy looks cool btw Jul 06 19:00:13 keesj: Its the thing I use my Nokia n95 for the most! I do more runs than phone calls :) Jul 06 19:01:44 keesj: no, not really seen quilt. Will look at it; please feel free to post some links on the wiki page or on the mailing list. Jul 06 19:02:59 now if some guys of InDT would come over I would certainly go to the maemo conf Jul 06 19:03:26 hmm,can I manually set the CPU frequency to 330MHz? Jul 06 19:03:32 like aloisiojr :P Jul 06 19:03:42 * Jaffa reckons the "amaze stuff" will be the "Hildon UI" speeches. My "need scrolling consistency" bug has been marked as fixed entirely in Fremantle - with the suggestions from ragnar and others that it'll be something like intertial/finger scrolling Jul 06 19:03:43 keesj: Indeed, I'd love to sit down with the indt guys for a chat (and buy them a beer!) Jul 06 19:03:53 keesj: some of the INdT guys are coming over (e.g. Mamona) Jul 06 19:04:41 keesj: hi! Jul 06 19:05:16 hi all Jul 06 19:05:25 lardman, you can change op mode on the fly, don't know if any opmode is defined 333mhz by default. or you can recompile kernel Jul 06 19:05:30 hi aloisiojr Jul 06 19:05:37 yeah.. some of us are going to maemo summit :) Jul 06 19:05:43 qwerty12_N800: yeah, that's what I though Jul 06 19:06:00 qwerty12_N800: hi! Jul 06 19:06:00 qwerty12_N800: I was hoping I could echo the speed into one of the sysfs entries, but it doesn't seem to work Jul 06 19:06:41 I think kotczarny had a patch for that but his server's gone :/ Jul 06 19:07:09 for now, editing n800-dvfs seems only option afaik Jul 06 19:07:29 where's his server gone to? Jul 06 19:07:49 where's kotczarny gone? Jul 06 19:08:17 \o/ im not a junior member anymore Jul 06 19:08:29 lol . . . Jul 06 19:08:37 congrats, break out the cola? Jul 06 19:08:40 * lcuk_ puts on his wizard hat Jul 06 19:08:50 The member levels should probably be rethought. Jul 06 19:08:50 * Jaffa has a beer for lcuk_ Jul 06 19:09:04 ***JamieBennett has one too Jul 06 19:09:12 i think ive stopped feeling like a n00b now :) Jul 06 19:09:22 /me, JamieBennett. :P Jul 06 19:09:33 you have one GeneralAntilles ? Jul 06 19:09:46 His own JamieBennett Jul 06 19:09:48 argh, still only ~4s of Moby Jul 06 19:09:51 I know its instinctive to type what I see on the screen rather than the command ;) Jul 06 19:10:00 tsk, n00b ;) Jul 06 19:10:04 :P Jul 06 19:10:14 I've done it twice now Jul 06 19:10:28 lardman, can't blame it for not wanting to play moby long :p Jul 06 19:10:39 wiza: taxes are higher in sweden or norway, no? :) Jul 06 19:10:48 qwerty12_N800: blame Nokia for supplying the track Jul 06 19:10:48 lardman, you are going to hate that sample: when i was learning how to rip dvds to avi i played a single sample of a movie over and over again with different bitrates, now whenever i hear that bit in the movie the missus groans and nudges me Jul 06 19:10:58 qwerty12_N800: I'd love to hear more than the first 10s actually :D Jul 06 19:11:12 Lol :D Jul 06 19:11:12 lcuk_: :) Jul 06 19:11:41 timelyx: I'm not exactly sure, least we have the lowest standard of living iirc Jul 06 19:12:32 * qwerty12_N800 actually prefers CPU/DSP to be 400/133 rather than 333/266 . I need to repatch kernel. Jul 06 19:12:55 hmm, strange, I see a message about a broken pipe with the DSP, but not with the SW encoder, even if the SW encoder is running at a lower cpu speed (and not outputting sound) Jul 06 19:13:34 wiza: http://www.vexen.co.uk/countries/scandinavia.html Jul 06 19:14:07 taxes for finland fell below norway and iceland :) Jul 06 19:15:07 aloisiojr: I just registered , see you there Jul 06 19:16:19 Anyone know a site with N800 datasheets? Jul 06 19:17:03 ? Jul 06 19:17:16 other than nokia(usa).com and wikipedia? Jul 06 19:17:32 timelyx: that's kinda old document, but I think we have little smaller taxes in % but we also have hidden costs on employment etc which makes our prices so high that standard of living stays low Jul 06 19:17:39 http://europe.nokia.com/A4305063 Jul 06 19:17:55 wiza: i couldn't find a more recent doc Jul 06 19:18:06 iirc sweden is still slightly higher for taxes Jul 06 19:18:13 anyway. i'm here too (see hostmask) Jul 06 19:18:37 thanks, I said it wrong, I mean hardware specs, datasheets on the hardware inside (omap2420 etc) Jul 06 19:21:03 There were some schematics posted on itT a while ago Jul 06 19:21:08 but goodluck on the OMAP2 stuff. ;) Jul 06 19:22:27 * GAN800 wishes the update applet would list 3rd party stuff individually. Jul 06 19:22:38 I've got the schematics, just looking for the rest of the stuff :). those manuals earlier got me interested in this sort of stuff. Jul 06 19:22:58 mplayer updated. . . . Jul 06 19:23:25 * qwerty12_N800 goes and does an lshal Jul 06 19:26:11 JamieBennett: you do burry a lot of news. what kinds of maemo news don't you like? Jul 06 19:26:44 hmm you also have lot of favourites Jul 06 19:28:04 keesj: The promotes and buries I see and a 'what does the community want to see'. The most promoted go to the news front page so I feel the most appropriate ones should go there, not stories about 'what I did yesterday at the park'. I read the maemo planet everyday so I may as well help in 'moderating' it. Jul 06 19:29:18 s/I seen and/I see as Jul 06 19:31:04 Ooo, I thought of a purpose of attending the summit apart from my interests. Maybe I can video the talks on a HD camcorder to release afterwards to the community? Jul 06 19:31:44 * lcuk_ suddenly and inexplicably drops out of the summit ;) Jul 06 19:32:14 lcuk especially the beers afterwards ;) (for bribery of course) Jul 06 19:32:25 * GAN800 makes plan to press 1000 copies of lcuk's session. Jul 06 19:32:45 i dont know about afterwards, i was a bag of nerves last time, is it wrong to have beer before? Jul 06 19:32:59 after i was fine Jul 06 19:33:02 Depends if its 8am in the morning or not ;) Jul 06 19:33:12 i was in shock - i hadnt been around that many developers - ever. Jul 06 19:33:20 8am's fine if we don't go to bed beforehand. Jul 06 19:33:38 Jaffa: I like your style :) Jul 06 19:34:20 * Jaffa isn't sure his fatherly, 30 year-old body could take an all-nighter; but as a scientist, I should be willing to test hypotheses Jul 06 19:34:37 jaffa, ill drink to that Jul 06 19:34:49 * lcuk_ wants to be a scientist when he grows up Jul 06 19:35:12 but i think im doomed to stay in computers forever Jul 06 19:35:20 * Jaffa 's going to have a shower now Jaffa Jr, mk.1 is in bed. Get a beer and watch Doctor Who Confidential. Jul 06 19:35:27 Well, computer scientist. Jul 06 19:35:31 Not codemonkey :) Jul 06 19:35:54 * JamieBennett My 29 (will be 30 at the summit) body is more than willing to try as my two children will be tucked up in bed as I'm away :) Jul 06 19:35:56 ahhh to have the time to develop what i want to do full time :) Jul 06 19:36:02 It was either CS, astrophysics or quantum mechanics at university. Chose the easiest :) Jul 06 19:36:16 * lcuk_ has almost no time Jul 06 19:36:36 * Jaffa is almost in the enviable position of work at being able to tell management what we should do - *and be listened to*. Jul 06 19:36:40 Nearly, anyway. Jul 06 19:36:49 :) Jul 06 19:37:05 Even when your in that position they never listen (I know!) Jul 06 19:38:05 Tsk, at least let me leave the dream! Jul 06 19:38:10 we dont know when we are set to arrive yet do we? i hope to get there fresh on thursday to give me time to wind down after horrid flight Jul 06 19:38:11 :D Jul 06 19:38:21 I'll be there Tuesday Jul 06 19:38:24 no jaffa, get those tps reports dont Jul 06 19:38:30 (for OSim world) Jul 06 19:38:30 done Jul 06 19:38:53 We should definitely arrange beers Jul 06 19:38:57 you freelance? Jul 06 19:38:58 (beforehand) Jul 06 19:39:07 * Jaffa is hoping to arrive Tuesday for OSiM World - assuming the holiday is approved (no reason to assume not) Jul 06 19:39:14 if im there on thursday i will need beer Jul 06 19:39:23 lcuk who? Jul 06 19:39:25 :( i can only get 2 days off Jul 06 19:39:30 you jamie Jul 06 19:39:35 lcuk_: the flight in from Stansted gets there quite late; we'll let you know where the beers'll be Jul 06 19:40:07 lcuk: Sorry, yes and no. I have my own consultancy business but I also work for a large gaming company Jul 06 19:40:10 good job im not goin from stansted, and it will be sometime thursday (fingers crossed for early) Jul 06 19:40:35 lcuk_: ah, cool Jul 06 19:41:00 * lcuk_ doesnt know what the nokia travel ageny lottery will draw for him Jul 06 19:41:15 at least i hope they can arrange it again else i am bolloxed Jul 06 19:41:45 I'm trying to find a hotel so if there is a majority staying at a particular one then please someone let me know Jul 06 19:42:03 (no hostels though) Jul 06 19:42:36 JamieBennett: I'm looking at the top link at http://del.icio.us/aflegg/hotel - reasonably priced (IMHO) and about halfway between OSim's location & Summit's location. Jul 06 19:42:47 JamieBennett: ditto; need my own bathroom :) Jul 06 19:43:16 I don't do sweaty teenagers unless they are my own ;) Jul 06 19:43:25 Jaffa: looks good Jul 06 19:44:04 There's a slightly more expensive Ibis, more in the centre and closer to the summit, but further from OSiM Jul 06 19:45:03 I need something in the middle really and with some company as I travel a lot and travelling with no drinking partner is pretty boring :) Jul 06 19:46:26 JamieBennett: I don't know Berlin at all. And ditto on the travelling & drinking. Also prefer walking when in a city centre rather than cabs or buses. Especially since I don't speak German. Jul 06 19:47:30 berlin in the sunshine is a wonderful city Jul 06 19:47:37 i might be living there by Sept Jul 06 19:47:48 :) pupnik i was just thinking of you Jul 06 19:48:02 i'm not feeling very sunshiney Jul 06 19:48:06 Jaffa: It will be my first trip to Berlin. 356 euro's for the 4 nights isn't too bad at all and if you are going to OSim too it will be good to meet up. Jul 06 19:48:18 but yeah totally cool to visit with all that street level life Jul 06 19:48:31 * lardman should put his name down Jul 06 19:48:44 Berlin was really good Jul 06 19:48:55 yes simon, you absolutely should Jul 06 19:50:06 Jaffa: Did you get any reply from qgil about OSim entry? Jul 06 19:52:52 JamieBennett: Other than what he said on the wiki, no. Jul 06 19:53:28 Jaffa: Would be nice if I don't have to spend the 400 euros on the event too, lets see. Jul 06 19:53:50 anyone know where alsa-play lives? Jul 06 19:54:05 pupnik: Though this is redundant. I emailed you Jul 06 19:54:07 * Jaffa 'll put a reply on the end when the holiday's confirmed (and then I'll book the hotel - probably the mercure - and my trains) Jul 06 19:54:24 Shit, the mercure's gone up - it was 60-odd euros a night last time I looked. Jul 06 19:54:38 tick, tock Jul 06 19:54:56 Aye. Jul 06 19:55:22 356 is still not bad, but might have another check around tomorrow before booking :) Jul 06 19:56:15 Let me know Jaffa as I'll be booking tomorrow. I'm not keen on a hostel so where ever someone else will be in a hotel is a bonus :D Jul 06 19:57:01 JamieBennett: I'll check with you, if possible, before booking Jul 06 19:57:16 Jaffa: Thanks Jul 06 20:03:09 im goin for a bit Jul 06 20:03:12 cyas later Jul 06 20:03:19 lcuk: Cya Jul 06 20:11:43 lardman, I compiled it once from alsa-utils/tools (can't remember which) Jul 06 20:12:24 qwerty12_N800: thanks, just trying to work out why this broken pipe & reset sound card message with the dsp but not the sw fallback Jul 06 20:15:23 hmm, sorry, don't know what i'm chatting, I can't find alsaplay in debian packages but I can find alsaplayer in alsaplayer-common Jul 06 20:15:47 hmm, mplayer spits the message out Jul 06 20:16:58 I didnt find xchat in diablo extra Jul 06 20:17:24 It's there. . . . Jul 06 20:17:25 Looks like I'll be videoing the whole summit, is there anything that you would like to see apart from the talks, interviews, questions e.t.c? If so send your suggestions to jamie@linuxuk.org and I'll try to sort it out. Jul 06 20:22:46 GeneralAntilles: Im using the application manager and theres nothing between "whoami" and "youamp" Jul 06 20:22:59 Do you have Diablo Extras installed? Jul 06 20:23:04 Or did you change it to Chinook Extras? Jul 06 20:23:23 diablo Jul 06 20:23:47 * kkrusty hopes its not case sensitive Jul 06 20:24:26 It's in diablo extras-devel Jul 06 20:24:33 It was promoted, wasn't it? Jul 06 20:25:25 yes I found it there. But there must be a reason why its there Jul 06 20:25:29 can't be, there's no x folder in diablo extras :) Jul 06 20:26:03 30s and counting :) Jul 06 20:26:22 woot, you go lardman! :) Jul 06 20:26:30 I've even made it past the intro now :) Jul 06 20:26:42 hehe Jul 06 20:27:17 I wasn't missing much, he just repeats the same words again and again, was pretty similar to my repeats of the first 4s :) Jul 06 20:27:36 and the answer to the problem was memory access speed Jul 06 20:27:50 I moved the data buffers to SRAM rather than SDRAM Jul 06 20:27:54 so extra-devel? or should I wait? Jul 06 20:28:07 Extras-devel Jul 06 20:28:08 It works fine. Jul 06 20:28:14 GeneralAntilles: thanks Jul 06 20:33:38 Also edit https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008_recordings if you want to see something from the summit Jul 06 20:33:50 if I svn commit, can I do a directory at a time? Jul 06 20:34:18 I think so, yes Jul 06 20:34:50 yep, just put the path, thanks Jul 06 20:35:51 hmm, the sound is still a bit ropey though Jul 06 20:36:07 slows & speeds up, but perhaps that's just my ears? Jul 06 20:36:46 I seem to remember the sw method was like that last year Jul 06 20:37:34 right, I think this deserves a release to test other people's ears too Jul 06 20:42:15 Tablet for leftys Jul 06 20:42:16 http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110267607098 Jul 06 20:44:57 qwerty12_N800: what is dpad? Jul 06 20:45:49 the left, right, up + down buttons :) Jul 06 20:46:43 %-O Jul 06 20:46:50 how freetype can affect dpad? Jul 06 20:47:30 well, I can swear that dpad works for me ;-) Jul 06 20:48:59 thanks, i dunno, it may have been another effect but as soon as i restored the old one, it "worked" again :) Jul 06 20:52:47 oh well, g'night people Jul 06 20:53:07 We really need a more straightforward partitioning method than sfdisk. Jul 06 20:53:44 i've got cdisk (ncurses based) Jul 06 20:54:05 qwerty12_N800, would you recommend it as an alternative to sfdisk for newbies? Jul 06 20:55:14 Hmm, I'd have to say i'm undecided. it does have an easier interface then sfdisk. i'll check it out again. Jul 06 20:55:35 Need penguinbait back here to document his .debs for it. Jul 06 21:00:38 i forgot rhapsody has an applet Jul 06 21:04:02 cfdisk is much better than sfdisk IMHO Jul 06 21:04:50 Aloha! Jul 06 21:07:26 sfdisk is a bit more robust, better for scripting Jul 06 21:07:34 and doesn't have a ncurses dependency Jul 06 21:22:23 can you use a headset or keyboard with the nokia 770? Jul 06 21:30:54 yeah i was wondering if anyone can recommend a bluetooth headset Jul 06 21:31:03 well i have an n800 Jul 06 21:40:32 benh: im using a cardo s800 Jul 06 21:40:36 benh: it works well enough Jul 06 21:40:38 benh: and is cheap Jul 06 21:40:45 and can pair up to something like 8 devices Jul 06 21:40:58 dieman: thx Jul 06 21:41:13 its also stupidly small Jul 06 21:41:20 for being cheap Jul 06 21:41:28 ie: star trek communicator small Jul 06 21:41:37 I was wondering, can one put zsh on maemo? Jul 06 21:41:52 dieman: heh, ok, bonus point :-) Jul 06 21:42:48 i need to get one of those scala riders for my scooter helmet tho Jul 06 21:42:57 they make an add-on to hook up a 2-way radio too Jul 06 21:43:20 so i could get spoken information from the n800 routing, cell phone calls,a nd use the 2-way radio :) Jul 06 21:46:36 so bluetooth keyboards for os2006? Jul 06 21:48:53 bash is fine, just I've grown acustomed to using zsh Jul 06 21:50:11 could someone stick /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf up somewhere so I could grab it please? Jul 06 21:50:26 having just overwritten mine by accident Jul 06 21:51:07 lardman, give me a few minutes Jul 06 21:51:23 gomiam: thanks, for Diablo if possible Jul 06 21:51:38 that's what I have installed right now :-D Jul 06 21:51:43 cool :) Jul 06 21:52:43 lardman: http://pastebin.org/pastebin.php?dl=49118 Jul 06 21:53:11 http://157.88.94.233/~magao/dsp_dld_avs.conf Jul 06 21:53:47 that way you should be able to wget it directly into the tablet Jul 06 21:54:31 just done that, many thanks :) Jul 06 21:54:41 pastebin is also wgettable though the filename is broken :) Jul 06 21:55:07 jott: oh, I didn't know. That IP is my work server, so I always use it XD Jul 06 21:55:51 valac is so slow :( Jul 06 21:56:17 * jott wonders if it would be easy to integrate valac in sbox so it runs on the host Jul 06 21:56:22 lardman, if you could be so kind to recompile maemo stars for Diablo, I would certainly be grateful (I can't right now) Jul 06 21:56:34 (lardman or anybody else, that is) Jul 06 21:56:35 ;-) Jul 06 21:57:44 real 0m14.993s <- for the hildon "hello world" Jul 06 21:57:46 I went a-telescoping last night with some friends and I found it doesn't install on Diablo. XD Jul 06 21:57:52 gomiam: bed time for me asap, but I can certainly have a go later in the week Jul 06 21:57:58 er, recompile? it doesn't work? Jul 06 21:58:03 lardman, no pressure :-) Jul 06 21:58:18 GAN800: I tried to install it and it complained about missing libraries. Jul 06 21:58:21 'doesn't install'? Jul 06 21:58:30 Find the libraries? Jul 06 21:58:35 might it be that I need to add a chinook repository? Jul 06 21:58:50 Likely Jul 06 21:58:57 What libraries? Jul 06 21:59:30 GAN800: just a couple of minutes and i'll tell you :-) Jul 06 22:00:17 it requires libglade from "mistral" Jul 06 22:01:33 is lardman the maintainer of an astronomy application? Jul 06 22:01:54 lcuk: I don't think so. I just tried to cajole him into recompiling it XD Jul 06 22:01:56 or rather, simon are you Jul 06 22:02:11 ahhh gomiam Jul 06 22:03:49 by the way, is there a way to make scratchbox work on Cygwin? Jul 06 22:04:38 doubt it, bes tusing vmware Jul 06 22:04:47 * lcuk has forgotten how to type Jul 06 22:07:01 oh, ok. I'm working on finally making Debian my base OS, anyway XD Jul 06 22:07:16 im still in windows Jul 06 22:11:01 knives do not make good styluses Jul 06 22:14:28 Hrm. Is there any way to get qem 0.9.1 working in scratchbox? Jul 06 22:14:38 s/qem/qemu/ Jul 06 22:14:39 texel meant: Hrm. Is there any way to get qemu 0.9.1 working in scratchbox? Jul 06 22:23:18 Anyone fancy some a2dp on the DSP? Jul 06 22:23:25 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ let me know how you get on Jul 06 22:25:02 night all Jul 06 23:00:22 I'm looking for a durable case for the N810 to protect it when it's in my pocket and/or on my belt. Are any of the boxwave cases any good? Jul 06 23:14:36 GeneralAntilles, it's July 7th here in the civilized part of the world :P Jul 06 23:16:06 Wasn't when I set the topic this morning. ;) Jul 06 23:16:28 That's why I endorse the role of the friendly reminder Jul 06 23:16:35 You can bug dneary when he wakes up. ;) Jul 06 23:16:59 more annoying than a windows popup-balloon, more human than Windows'll ever be Jul 06 23:17:02 bleh Jul 06 23:17:11 * Topic for #maemo set by GeneralAntilles at Sun Jul 06 13:46:55 2008 Jul 06 23:17:25 humour me Jul 06 23:18:00 GeneralAntilles, I guess I need a bugzilla account in order to post a bug, right ? Jul 06 23:18:26 /topic Wiki page of the day for July 7th: http://wiki.crashanddieistotalfail.com/Crashanddie_is_total_fail_for_true Jul 06 23:18:30 Yes. Jul 06 23:18:40 heh Jul 06 23:18:50 That would have been funny if you missed the space bar Jul 06 23:20:00 Ah well, fuck it Jul 06 23:20:41 I'll just post again, couldn't remember what I wrote there for the life of me, but what the hell, I know I didn't make the sponsorship, so won't matter a lot now, will it :) Jul 06 23:22:31 Hmm. Jul 06 23:22:40 I wonder, would anybody be interested in seeing an xconq port to Maemo? Jul 06 23:30:07 OOooh. Jul 06 23:30:19 emacs-cvs builds so far with qemu-arm-cvs. Jul 06 23:30:35 And it's already doing lisp-dumping. Jul 06 23:30:40 This might just work! Jul 06 23:31:53 * texel crosses her fingers and finishes watching Impact: Earth Jul 06 23:35:02 Widescreen is 16:10 or 16:9 or 2.35:1? Jul 06 23:35:39 16:9, IIRC. Jul 06 23:36:12 Dekaritae, TV widescreen is 16:9, computer widescreen is 16:10 Jul 06 23:36:30 Only one can be the standard Jul 06 23:36:33 Dekaritae, "widescreen is a lot of things" Jul 06 23:36:39 Heh Jul 06 23:36:46 True enough. Jul 06 23:36:47 er, move the closing quote up a few words. Jul 06 23:36:56 Pretty much anything that's wider than 4:3 is "widescreen" Jul 06 23:37:25 Even the HD channels can't determine what proper widescreen is -- one science channel gets it at 16:9, while others get it as 16:10. Jul 06 23:37:39 HD is 16:9 Jul 06 23:37:53 The tablets are 15:9 Jul 06 23:37:55 Right. Jul 06 23:38:02 Computers are 16:10 Jul 06 23:38:13 But the question is: why do some of the HD channels end up broadcasting data that is off screen? Jul 06 23:38:17 2.35:1 is the most common film "widescreen" Jul 06 23:39:05 But there is no "widescreen" standard. Jul 06 23:39:37 you also won't find any cheap/nice 2.35:1 screens Jul 06 23:39:54 your house probably isn't big enough for it to be worth it Jul 06 23:46:30 Man! THis compile is /really/ progressing! Jul 06 23:46:55 We may yet have a useable deb for emacs soon. Jul 06 23:46:55 I assume there are at least a few n810 users here. What does everyone use for cases? Jul 06 23:47:13 mouser-: I use the supplied one, but the aluminum one looks /nice/. Jul 06 23:47:21 Err, that aluminum one by boxwave. Jul 06 23:47:36 My only complaint is that you can't slide it open with the case on. Jul 06 23:48:49 Which is actually my main complaint with all of the cases for the N810. Jul 06 23:49:02 Which is exactly why I haven't bought one yet. =op Jul 06 23:49:19 This one, texel? http://www.boxwave.com/products/armorcase/armor-case-nokia-n810_3045.htm Jul 06 23:50:04 mouser-: that's the aluminum one I was talking about. =o) Jul 06 23:50:30 It seems to have a hard-pin hinge at the top, which would prevent opening of the N810 while the case is closed. Jul 06 23:51:37 I guess what I' Jul 06 23:51:58 m looking for is more along the lines of those MacBook covers that just fit on with pressure and look a bit like a skin. Jul 06 23:52:22 texel: I've been trying to find out the use of the plexiglass window if you can't use the touchscreen when it's on. Jul 06 23:53:01 mouser-: I'd love to find one like this: http://www.iunitek.com/iunitek/index.cfm?fuseaction=shop.dspSpecs&part=2599628 Jul 06 23:53:03 But for the N810. Jul 06 23:53:23 mouser-: does it have a plexiglass window? Jul 06 23:53:32 It didn't look like that was on it by default. Jul 06 23:56:16 texel: On the boxwave site, it says that it has a clear plexiglass window that protects and allows the screen to be read, but I don't know how it works. Ideally, I'd like a waterproof/crush-resistant case that would allow me to still keep it in my pocket, but I don't know how realistic that is. Jul 06 23:56:59 ribbed condoms? Jul 06 23:58:18 Barring that, just something like that which would fit on my belt. lcuk, those would be rather difficult to get off, though they would get some looks. Jul 06 23:59:21 ive got a pouch from my old pda, its toughened leather bound with a belt clip thing. i just keep it in my pocket wedged open and slide 810 in and out of it Jul 06 23:59:39 unhooked the belt clip bit Jul 07 00:01:27 its like this http://wirelessdiscountsite.com/images/TREO700_WALLETPOUCH_BLACKa_1_.gif Jul 07 00:02:03 did you fall or were you pushed? Jul 07 00:02:33 lcuk, that looks slightly like the case that came with my ipod only with a top. Jul 07 00:03:15 it works really well for me - the open flap velco makes it grip to my pocket lining and i can slip the device in and out with ease Jul 07 00:03:50 * lcuk tries to keep a straight face Jul 07 00:05:37 is that with the condoms? Jul 07 00:12:48 lcuk, was that for me ? "did you fall or were you pushed?" ? Jul 07 00:26:54 crashanddie, yes Jul 07 00:27:23 oh Jul 07 00:27:25 in that case Jul 07 00:27:32 top gear caused me to fall Jul 07 00:33:28 Argh! Jul 07 00:33:47 "Failed to open /var/lib/dbus/machine-id" Jul 07 00:33:51 From D-Bus. Jul 07 00:34:31 That totally sucks. Jul 07 00:34:36 I have to restart the build. =o( Jul 07 00:34:42 * lcuk is a million miles away Jul 07 00:34:52 BUT Jul 07 00:35:10 It's interesting to see emacs with zeroconf support Jul 07 01:05:53 are there any advantages to os2007 HE to os2006? Jul 07 01:20:41 eh ? Jul 07 01:24:21 this should charge a nokia 770 also right? http://cgi.ebay.com/FOR-NOKIA-7700-7710-8210-8310-8800-USB-MOBILE-CHARGER_W0QQitemZ220253825779QQihZ012QQcategoryZ20368QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem Jul 07 01:26:20 Hrm. Can the built-in fonts in Maemo display katakana characters? Jul 07 01:28:57 texel: no Jul 07 01:29:32 Greh. Jul 07 01:29:42 So then if I package kanatest, then I have to package up a bunch of fonts to go with it. Jul 07 01:31:18 That sucks. Jul 07 01:31:44 i wonder if it's okay to depend on other packages in extras Jul 07 01:31:53 That's a good question. Jul 07 01:32:01 Because kanatest would have to to install properly. Jul 07 01:32:11 But, that being said... Jul 07 01:32:19 ...I've seen some packages depend on others in extras. Jul 07 01:36:08 i seem to have installed ttf-kochi-gothic from maemocjk Jul 07 01:36:37 the font renders beautifully on the device, btw. Jul 07 01:37:37 Hm. Jul 07 01:38:15 Yeah, but that kind bothers me, anyway -- I wouldn't want to make a dependency on maemocjk for users to have to fight to setup. Jul 07 01:38:45 * texel herself has had enough of fighting with elusive repos to get things to work right Jul 07 01:49:12 i don't think anything that comes with a "be ready to reflash" warning will end up in extras anytime soon Jul 07 01:49:31 but at least their font packages should go Jul 07 01:51:39 my dad called my n800 "your little etch a sketch thing" Jul 07 02:14:51 Holy crap! Jul 07 02:14:55 emacs COMPILED! Jul 07 02:15:40 I hate myself. Jul 07 02:15:46 That was in the DIABLO_X86 target. =o( Jul 07 02:23:42 Feck. Jul 07 02:23:53 "uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting" Jul 07 02:36:04 I have seen the article about how to stream video from N800 to linux_box,but now i want to realize the function that stream video from pc to N800 using gstreamer, and anybody can give me some advice ?thank you **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 07 02:59:57 2008