**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 10 02:59:57 2008 Jul 10 03:04:02 in the desktop files, what is the ShowInDesktop value for? Jul 10 03:04:04 example: X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true Jul 10 03:04:17 sorry ShowInToolBar Jul 10 03:32:31 hi, I was all talk on Saturday until now, ordered my n800, and finally got it tonight, I was wondering as I see the official documentation for upgrading to os2008 is for using Windows what do I need to install os2008 with a Linux box Jul 10 03:32:45 if there is a website I can go to for this info. great Jul 10 03:33:27 yigal, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ Jul 10 03:33:41 gentooer: thanks a bunch Jul 10 03:33:57 https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS Jul 10 03:34:01 That's the link you want. Jul 10 03:34:10 gentooer, update your bookmark. ;) Jul 10 03:34:11 ok Jul 10 03:34:22 oops sorry :) Jul 10 03:34:23 They're actually pretty close right now Jul 10 03:34:30 But moving forward the new wiki will be updated Jul 10 03:34:33 The old one will not. Jul 10 03:36:34 well thank you both then Jul 10 03:37:29 hello #maemo Jul 10 03:38:16 do you think it is safe to upgrade to diablo now ? Jul 10 03:38:20 which version should I try if I want some stability? Jul 10 03:38:38 IT OS releases for Nokia N800 or other? Jul 10 03:38:54 4.2008.23-14 Jul 10 03:39:04 chinook is a good choice for the n800 Jul 10 03:39:30 No it's not. Jul 10 03:39:34 Diablo is the good choice. Jul 10 03:39:40 not sure for diablo since many apps seem broken with latest firmware Jul 10 03:39:45 If you pick Chinook you'll just have to reflash in a month or two. Jul 10 03:39:48 They're not broken. Jul 10 03:40:02 oh yes they are Jul 10 03:40:12 hmm, user` what seems broken? Jul 10 03:40:14 canola2 is a good example Jul 10 03:40:17 * boolean has reinstalled all boolean's previous apps and they show no issues Jul 10 03:40:25 Works fine here, user`. Jul 10 03:40:34 hum Jul 10 03:40:36 though that is not saying much Jul 10 03:40:37 It'll be completely updated for Diablo within a week or two, anyway. Jul 10 03:40:42 yigal, Diablo is what you want. :) Jul 10 03:40:54 ok, is this like Debian unstable? Jul 10 03:41:01 or testing Jul 10 03:41:01 No Jul 10 03:41:03 No Jul 10 03:41:05 It's stable. Jul 10 03:41:07 not really Jul 10 03:41:13 There is no unstable branch. Jul 10 03:41:27 I'm going Diablo if I have too many problems I will just reflash Jul 10 03:41:32 Well, there kind of used to be. Jul 10 03:41:37 Sardine Jul 10 03:41:40 But it wasn't well maintained. Jul 10 03:41:58 so is diablo a safe choice today ? Jul 10 03:42:21 yes Jul 10 03:42:30 Yes. Jul 10 03:42:36 ok Jul 10 03:42:36 It's a .1 release. Jul 10 03:42:39 It's not a major upgrade. Jul 10 03:42:51 if you still doubt, try diablo for a bit and if you dont like it, reflash to chinook Jul 10 03:43:00 exact Jul 10 03:43:10 it's only a .1 Jul 10 03:43:25 That doesn't make it not worth upgrading to. Jul 10 03:43:39 Future software upgrades will only be pushed for Diablo Jul 10 03:43:47 So you're gonna be stuck in the past if you stick with Chinook forever. Jul 10 03:44:07 another thing is to install it on a SD card instead ( I am assuming it can be done since debian can be done that way too ) Jul 10 03:47:08 hey I have an amd64 laptop should I build a chroot, which I haven't done on this or install manually? Jul 10 03:48:33 I planning to try to install a slackware GNU/linux system onto a SD Jul 10 03:48:54 well anyway, thank you for your time Jul 10 03:48:57 see ya Jul 10 03:49:01 night Jul 10 03:49:06 night Jul 10 03:50:04 oh never mind Jul 10 03:50:46 what am I saying it is right infront of me amd64 ha Jul 10 04:13:46 I'm getting, "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" ? Jul 10 04:14:02 for flashing Jul 10 04:14:52 is n800 supposed to be completely off? Jul 10 04:15:46 Yes. Jul 10 04:16:05 this is a bit worrying then Jul 10 04:16:20 Do you have it plugged into the charger? Jul 10 04:16:38 no Jul 10 04:17:09 sudo lsusb shows no devices is this to be expected? Jul 10 04:17:23 Turn it off, plug in the usb Jul 10 04:17:26 power it on holding down the home key Jul 10 04:17:36 you should see a USB symbol in the upper right of the screen. Jul 10 04:17:48 ok Jul 10 04:19:11 how does one set up the complete tablet environment (including control panel stuff and specially internet connection)? Jul 10 04:20:33 damn, specially to get pygtk Jul 10 04:21:55 GeneralAntilles: I turn it off, then press the home key but nothing happens Jul 10 04:22:06 how long should I hold it? Jul 10 04:22:11 Did you turn it on? Jul 10 04:22:14 Press and hold the home key Jul 10 04:22:22 then while pressing the home key power it on with the power button. Jul 10 04:22:47 Wait, new N800 Jul 10 04:22:51 Is it running OS2007? Jul 10 04:22:56 yes Jul 10 04:23:08 Ah, OK. Jul 10 04:23:15 Well, it's a hardware related software bug. Jul 10 04:23:28 The timings are a bit off in the bootloader on the new OMAP2 samples. Jul 10 04:24:08 So it wont be able to boot for a while after it's been turned off. Jul 10 04:24:16 yes it appear to be working now Jul 10 04:24:22 You want to follow the instructions here: http://74.86.202.247/forums/showpost.php?p=148932&postcount=2 Jul 10 04:24:31 Unless you've already got it to flashing mode? Jul 10 04:25:59 no I better use the forums instructions Jul 10 04:26:23 Yeah, that'll get you were you need to be. ;) Jul 10 04:26:26 Sure-fire. Jul 10 04:27:10 GeneralAntilles: thank you for the help !! Jul 10 04:27:15 Sure Jul 10 04:27:32 It's a disconcerting issue, but fairly straightforward to fix Jul 10 04:27:41 and once you've updated the firmware you wont ever see it again. Jul 10 04:28:02 specially for the newest OS :) Jul 10 04:28:05 Nokia didn't ever bother to update the N800's packaging for OS2008, and there are a few units still left in the pipeline. :\ Jul 10 04:32:33 what? Jul 10 04:32:52 so this is not the end for flashing for N800? Jul 10 04:35:29 Xamusk, what are you on about? Jul 10 04:35:42 This doesn't have anything to do with Diablo. Jul 10 04:35:56 This is just about the NOLO bootloader issue that some owners of newer N800's experienced. Jul 10 04:35:58 GeneralAntilles, oh, I misunderstood you Jul 10 04:36:28 because I have a new N800 and didn't have the issue... I guess my N800 wasn't that new then Jul 10 04:38:06 It doesn't affect all of them. Jul 10 04:38:19 and it doesn't affect firmwares post 51-3 Jul 10 04:41:30 xterm I think is in the garage because the link the forum post gives doesn't exist anymore? Jul 10 04:42:46 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.13.mh24bora1_armel.deb Jul 10 04:42:50 huh, I'm still trying to get a hold of the internals... actually I'm trying to install pygtk Jul 10 04:42:58 thanks Jul 10 04:43:35 GeneralAntilles: I can download this but I'm not sure how to install it without terminal installed Jul 10 04:43:54 It should just open application manager automatically Jul 10 04:44:01 very nice Jul 10 04:44:02 If not, you can open it from within the Application manager. Jul 10 05:14:39 GeneralAntilles: where can I get the dependencies for xterm? libncurses5, libvte4, ttf-bitsream-vera? Jul 10 05:14:46 from the same apt repos? Jul 10 05:15:47 excuse me I can't find the first one libncurses5 (>=5.5-1) Jul 10 05:15:48 yigal, probably, but gronmayer.com/it will tell you if not. Jul 10 05:16:15 Seems like it should be in Extras, too. Jul 10 05:16:37 ok, so just put a package into the above link and it will tell me where to get it? :) Jul 10 05:17:15 yup Jul 10 05:17:44 can't say no to that :) Jul 10 05:18:42 back :) Jul 10 05:18:56 hey rm_you Jul 10 05:20:54 Fix the math on the brightness slider. Jul 10 05:21:12 We're mising the top 30% Jul 10 05:22:13 it seems to be working here... Jul 10 05:24:44 Add the Nokia applet and compare our max to its max. Jul 10 05:25:05 our max is about equal to Nokia's 3/5 Jul 10 05:28:08 should I be able to use gronmayer with my n800? Jul 10 05:28:38 I can connect with my laptop but not the n800? Jul 10 05:28:46 it works in microb in OS2008, but I don't remember about Opera in OS2007 Jul 10 05:29:12 ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until 2008 then Jul 10 05:29:23 s/2008/os&/ Jul 10 05:29:25 yigal meant: ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until os& then Jul 10 05:29:53 not exactly I guess vim syntax isn't supported, nor should it necesarily :) Jul 10 05:30:03 ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until 2008 then Jul 10 05:30:10 just s/foo/bar/ Jul 10 05:30:13 s/2008/os2008/ Jul 10 05:30:13 yigal meant: ok, I'm just going to download with the laptop and do it completely manual until os2008 then Jul 10 05:30:20 yes Jul 10 05:30:27 very nice, still :) Jul 10 05:30:34 it won't even do /g which is sad Jul 10 05:30:49 but I guess understandable...that could be quite a flood :) Jul 10 05:30:54 haha Jul 10 05:31:47 can I add repositories in os2007, so that I don't have to install manually? Jul 10 05:32:04 of course Jul 10 05:32:26 just save the .install file to and SD card or you can read it and enter the repository manually in app manager Jul 10 05:33:21 great! Jul 10 05:43:54 I added the repos updated and asked to install osso-xterm however the download manager is staying at 0%? Jul 10 05:44:50 I guess it can't reach one of the repos Jul 10 05:45:14 I believe libncurses5 is not available right now in maemo-hackers for os2007 ? Jul 10 05:45:23 I have no idea Jul 10 05:46:07 johnx: I attempted to download it via gronmayer but it is not downloading, so this is why I say this Jul 10 05:46:16 on my laptop Jul 10 05:47:03 oh, never mind :) Jul 10 05:47:09 I'm a retard again Jul 10 05:47:09 This guy seems to have an odd perception of a "couple" : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=201144#post201144 Jul 10 05:48:58 "I'm just having a couple friends over" "How many?" "11." Jul 10 05:49:08 hehe Jul 10 05:49:24 And he says he's got more questions coming too :P Jul 10 05:49:33 good for him Jul 10 05:49:44 I'm starting to check ITT less often these days Jul 10 05:50:01 the signal to noise is going down as it gets bigger Jul 10 05:53:24 http://wilshipley.com/blog/2008/07/pimp-my-code-part-15-greatest-bug-of.html Jul 10 05:56:52 darn this, libncurses5 is no where to be found :) Jul 10 05:57:44 so, I've run into something interesting. Somehow I've ended up with a blank white notification window over the top of my screen: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9093/whiteboxwj3.png Jul 10 05:58:06 It's been here the whole morning. Any ideas for a way to trace this back to the program that drew it? Jul 10 06:02:18 johnx: Try disabling status bar panels until it disappears Jul 10 06:02:38 hmm, that's a thought Jul 10 06:02:47 It doesn't have to be a status bar panel that drew it though :/ Jul 10 06:02:58 It's in the right position for it to be, though Jul 10 06:03:23 I suspect it might be the "You should unplug your ac adapter" Jul 10 06:03:55 I unlocked it this morning while running a fullscreen app Jul 10 06:04:02 I think that's the right size for that window Jul 10 06:04:48 yeah, I just disabled all the statusbar applets I can Jul 10 06:04:54 it's still there Jul 10 06:05:33 hmm, let me revise that, it's the wrong size to be that one Jul 10 06:06:40 Try locking and then unlocking your device Jul 10 06:07:02 just did Jul 10 06:07:21 it didn't look like it quite matched the size of any of the notifcations that appeared under it Jul 10 06:08:15 Does it capture taps? Jul 10 06:08:32 yes, it's a real window as far as I can tell Jul 10 06:09:17 when the tablet blanks the screen on idle, and then I tap somewhere, it appears to be gone, then I tap somewhere on the panel and it comes back Jul 10 06:22:16 alright, it was generated by systemui, and xlsclients is an awesome app Jul 10 06:22:47 hehe, thanks for the heads up, sounds useful :) Jul 10 06:24:05 ok, I have os2008 on my n800 thank you everyone for helping :) Jul 10 06:24:20 qwerty12, yeah, just go ahead and grab debian's x11-utils and install libxmuu and libxaw. all the stuff in x11-utils is pretty neat Jul 10 06:24:31 yigal, good to hear! Jul 10 06:36:01 i am looking to get an SDHC card for my n800 Jul 10 06:36:07 what does the class mean? Jul 10 06:38:36 hrm, you guys were complaining about openbossa-labs-entries-for-maemo-context right? Jul 10 06:38:38 cute crash Jul 10 06:38:54 EWW! Jul 10 06:38:56 kill me Jul 10 06:39:06 yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck Jul 10 06:39:08 * qwerty12 kills timeless Jul 10 06:40:56 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/482489 Jul 10 06:41:00 wnd; i think that was your crash Jul 10 06:42:17 flash's fault? Jul 10 06:43:37 that's my bet Jul 10 06:43:48 i just delivered the core to our new flash engineer Jul 10 06:44:01 the poor guy... Jul 10 06:44:02 but in the interim, i'll check w/ mozilla.org people to see if they have a different view Jul 10 06:44:13 That's a core dump? Jul 10 06:44:18 * qwerty12 prefers rich-cores Jul 10 06:44:28 qwerty12: he has access to the rich-cores Jul 10 06:44:44 for privacy purposes though, i stripped out anything related before pastebin-ing :) Jul 10 06:44:56 Ah :) Jul 10 06:46:11 Good morning! Should I promote -dev packages to extras? Or just the main package? Jul 10 06:47:45 johnx, I know what you mean about ITT :( Jul 10 06:49:37 I guess it's the way all forums end up, especially for what really is mass-market electronics... Jul 10 06:52:16 zap dev too Jul 10 06:52:23 johnx/qwerty12/wnd: i presume if you disable flash the crash doesn't happen? Jul 10 06:52:38 how do I reproduce the crash? Jul 10 06:52:38 hi, all, i'm new to maemo dev. I want to find some packages, such as osso-systemui-powerkeymenu, where to download? Jul 10 06:52:50 I'll have to check that when I get to work Jul 10 06:53:00 I almost never use flash even on my desktop Jul 10 06:53:33 zap: if one wants to build stuff depending only on the version on extras, and not extras-devel, it s easier if you put the dev there Jul 10 06:53:35 with a 64-bit browser neither do I :-) Jul 10 06:53:43 aha Jul 10 06:53:45 ok Jul 10 06:54:55 Bye. Jul 10 06:55:32 johnx: in theory you just load that openbossa url in your microb browser Jul 10 06:56:14 alsor: odds are that it's nokia-closed Jul 10 06:56:36 1 Copyright: (c) 2004, 2005 Nokia Oyj Jul 10 06:56:36 2 Jul 10 06:56:36 3 Confidential. You are not free to do anything with this package, Jul 10 06:56:36 4 unless you have a permission from Nokia Oyj. Jul 10 06:57:13 timeless, i'm sorry, what is `odds'? ' Jul 10 06:57:19 chances Jul 10 06:57:40 alsor: look in the same catalogue where you find the binary package Jul 10 06:57:48 if it's not there, most likely its closed Jul 10 06:57:48 You can look in the SDK. i think most osso- packages won't be there Jul 10 06:58:02 http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/odds Jul 10 06:58:18 And that ^ Jul 10 06:58:52 oh, thx, got it:) Jul 10 06:58:55 alsor: what would you want to do to it? Jul 10 06:59:07 (personally, i'd rather stay very far away from it) Jul 10 06:59:51 yeah, I 'm new to maemo dev. and check the bugzilla and found one bug, about the powerkey extension, so, I need the package.. Jul 10 07:00:27 no-go. Jul 10 07:00:37 you'd better check the forum for what people wants :) Jul 10 07:00:40 alsor: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ Jul 10 07:00:46 start there. Jul 10 07:00:55 if you can't reach it there, it's probably not worth worrying about Jul 10 07:01:25 (n.b. for some very strange and as yet unknown reason, some of microb isn't in that xref, that's a bug) Jul 10 07:01:45 btw, to everyone else, if you know a package is open but can't find it in that xref, please file a bug in website:mxr Jul 10 07:01:50 seems cool! Jul 10 07:03:29 i like this cross ref tool, so mostly, i can find the opened sources form that mxr site? Jul 10 07:04:03 yep Jul 10 07:05:38 coool, thx again, timeless:) Jul 10 07:06:18 there's also access to some portion of garage also, but i kinda ran out of disk quota :( Jul 10 07:06:57 lol, so, you creat the mxr? Jul 10 07:07:06 yes, it's mine Jul 10 07:07:16 but i don't do hosting in general Jul 10 07:07:36 i do host one mxr instance internally, which is how i could answer your nokia-closed question Jul 10 07:07:51 but that runs on opensolaris which makes disk space problems much less of an issue Jul 10 07:08:24 mxr.maemo.org is hosted by dreamhost on a friend's account Jul 10 07:08:25 yeah, i c, I found the osso-* several hours, and got none, there are less descriptions online about such questions. Jul 10 07:08:37 and i'm given a portion of his quota Jul 10 07:09:25 lol, i will access your sites lots of times from now.. Jul 10 07:10:09 Hi, when I am executing this code on scratchbox it is giving error : host not found.Code ia at URL: http://rafb.net/p/kvgiSQ52.html Jul 10 07:10:16 can someone help? Jul 10 07:10:27 i am using gnome-vfs Jul 10 07:12:11 I have CHINOOK 4.0 Jul 10 07:12:39 jitu3485: scratchbox uses 127.0.0.1 as DNS Jul 10 07:12:47 so you have to install dnsmasq or something like that Jul 10 07:12:53 (or fix /etc/resolv.conf) Jul 10 07:13:50 zap, also i can apt-get update or wget successfully on scratchbox Jul 10 07:13:55 anyway, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3429 Jul 10 07:14:06 zap, thanks i will try that Jul 10 07:14:11 alsor: good :) Jul 10 07:14:32 alternavitly, you may use the IP addr in your code for hand test :) Jul 10 07:14:51 ip's don't work well for vhosted services Jul 10 07:15:01 just fix /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf Jul 10 07:17:08 zap, dnsmasq is installed and /etc/resolv.conf contains 127.0.0.1 Jul 10 07:18:29 can you ping your site from outside scratchbox? Jul 10 07:18:43 (e.g. ping www.gnuite.com) Jul 10 07:19:04 errr...will dnsmasq actually start in scratchbox? by default I mean? Jul 10 07:19:32 it should run outside scratchbox, not inside Jul 10 07:19:47 by default it's mostly a DNS forwarder Jul 10 07:19:51 ah, right, of course Jul 10 07:33:13 is there something else other than running wlan-cal that I need to do to make WiFi work on diablo? (with my own kernel, which is why this isn't done automatically) Jul 10 07:34:13 zap, yes Jul 10 07:34:42 zap, i can ping Jul 10 07:55:59 Morning, all Jul 10 07:57:07 Morning. Jul 10 07:57:38 Hmm, maemo mapper had lost all the maps that I had downloaded. Jul 10 07:59:10 Morning Jul 10 08:08:45 morning Jul 10 08:14:10 would someone mind helping me get USB (keyboard) working on my n800? Jul 10 08:14:32 my oh my I always thought the n800 was a cool idea but using is for the first day, it is way cooler than I thought it would be Jul 10 08:14:53 ive installed the USB control panel, I have the keyboard hooked up, and its being detected, but i cant use the keyboard Jul 10 08:15:23 im either missing a package, or the keyboard draws too much power Jul 10 08:16:57 sorry Foxx can't help, I've just started using it, I've been using the stylus for all it's worth :) Jul 10 08:17:32 i got mine used, so i dont know whats been done to it Jul 10 08:17:49 ill reflash it once im done screwing it up ;} Jul 10 08:18:22 I got mine used, but paid 199 for it, I wanted it almost in new condition, the guy on ebay was very nice to me Jul 10 08:18:36 he get's 5 Jul 10 08:18:37 Foxx: keyboards usually take more than 100 mA if powered from port only Jul 10 08:19:14 thats what i figured Jul 10 08:19:15 are there external usb hubs powered by battery? Jul 10 08:19:20 it seems to be a hardware issue on my end Jul 10 08:19:22 yigal: sure Jul 10 08:19:26 ill rig in a PSU Jul 10 08:19:36 so that is probably where you might want to go Foxx Jul 10 08:19:40 Foxx: what for? use a battery-powered hub Jul 10 08:19:41 im an electronics/hardware man Jul 10 08:19:47 nice Jul 10 08:19:53 at the moment im just getting a feel for the device Jul 10 08:19:55 trick is, you have to choose carefully Jul 10 08:20:01 so the hub allows 500 mA Jul 10 08:20:03 some don't Jul 10 08:20:08 (ripoffs) Jul 10 08:20:27 i was going to use an LM7805 regulator hooked to the device itself Jul 10 08:20:36 :) Jul 10 08:20:37 those can handle 1.5A max drain Jul 10 08:20:46 Foxx: btw, if you're into electronics... how efficient is that one Jul 10 08:20:47 with some minor filtering, of course Jul 10 08:20:52 not very Jul 10 08:20:53 and what is the voltage range? Jul 10 08:20:55 but it does the job Jul 10 08:21:02 step-up? Jul 10 08:21:06 no Jul 10 08:21:15 it requires 3V above the output Jul 10 08:21:15 blah Jul 10 08:21:23 ah, linear regulator Jul 10 08:21:25 so if you have a 5V out, you should have at least 8V in Jul 10 08:21:26 no, not what I need Jul 10 08:21:27 yah Jul 10 08:21:31 what do you need? Jul 10 08:21:36 btw, do you know of any good step-up about 900 mA? Jul 10 08:21:39 perhaps i can help Jul 10 08:21:47 maxim may make something Jul 10 08:21:51 I've problems getting MAX1763 for my converter Jul 10 08:22:07 uhm... battery-based power supply Jul 10 08:22:17 they have a large array of USB OTG step-up supplies Jul 10 08:22:17 for n810 Jul 10 08:22:31 whats the source voltage you want to use? Jul 10 08:22:31 Foxx: would be good, I need 5V, but about 900 mA Jul 10 08:22:36 2x AA Jul 10 08:22:48 yeah, thats going to need some stepup Jul 10 08:22:51 about 2,4V Jul 10 08:23:01 look into maxims line of ICs Jul 10 08:23:10 i know they make them, but i dont have experience with them Jul 10 08:23:14 they send out free samples ;} Jul 10 08:23:16 Pulling ~5W from aa's is pretty cruel :) Jul 10 08:23:23 so you might be able to select something Jul 10 08:23:25 yeah, it is Jul 10 08:23:29 Foxx: I have, it works great Jul 10 08:23:32 but I don't need 1000 pcs Jul 10 08:23:33 at lest use a li-ion Jul 10 08:23:45 Maxim is sweet, though. I recommend them too Jul 10 08:23:48 well they typicaly limit samples to 4 or so Jul 10 08:23:56 need a place to get 10 or so Jul 10 08:24:07 and they don't send to Poland unfortunately Jul 10 08:24:26 I ripped one MAX176x from a fairly new cell phone :> Jul 10 08:24:36 brutal Jul 10 08:24:36 Really? Jul 10 08:24:40 yup Jul 10 08:24:50 broken mostly, so no loss Jul 10 08:24:52 i was thinking about using some used cell phone li-ion cells for my battery pack ;} Jul 10 08:25:25 3.7V @ 700mA Jul 10 08:25:35 what are you running that requres 900mA? Jul 10 08:25:40 N810 ;P Jul 10 08:25:47 AC-4e struggles at 890 mA Jul 10 08:25:52 oh, the n810 itself? Jul 10 08:25:55 yup Jul 10 08:26:05 Nokia makes a battery pack, but with 4x AA Jul 10 08:26:08 which is huge Jul 10 08:26:17 and very expensive Jul 10 08:26:35 i thought you were trying to run an external USB device Jul 10 08:26:44 nah Jul 10 08:26:49 i was hoping to get my Linksys WUSB54G USB wifi adapter on the N800 Jul 10 08:26:52 I have a battery-powered hub already Jul 10 08:26:54 someday Jul 10 08:27:07 i have it modded with an RP-SMA jack and some beefed up antennas Jul 10 08:27:09 .oO(SLA + solar) Jul 10 08:27:10 no need to build one if you can buy one cheap Jul 10 08:27:15 im having trouble finding kismet and btscanner Jul 10 08:27:21 XTLi: too small to work well :> Jul 10 08:27:36 would you happen to have a repo, or an package for them? Jul 10 08:27:40 and for charging li-ion, would need a fairly advanced regulator Jul 10 08:27:57 Foxx: check the topic, that .it site has a search Jul 10 08:28:05 i tried Jul 10 08:28:07 no luck Jul 10 08:28:15 there was a kismet package in ITT Jul 10 08:28:16 *on Jul 10 08:28:24 buggy though Jul 10 08:28:31 the first thing i do is search, search, and then search some more Jul 10 08:28:39 there's also a major problem resetting the device from master mode Jul 10 08:28:49 im not the kind of person to ask a question unless i truely need help Jul 10 08:28:57 btscanner should be simple to build Jul 10 08:29:04 grab scratchbox and try Jul 10 08:29:08 i dont have a build environment for tne n800 yet Jul 10 08:29:13 im still fairly new to the device Jul 10 08:29:16 it's simple Jul 10 08:29:29 and im not very big linux person Jul 10 08:29:31 you d/l the scratchbox, toggle one kernel option (for sb v1) Jul 10 08:29:34 but im learning Jul 10 08:29:36 then it's debian inside Jul 10 08:29:43 but building for ARM Jul 10 08:29:52 (for Maemo actually) Jul 10 08:29:55 when the time comes when i get some lab time, ill pick everyones brain about it ;} Jul 10 08:30:03 or better yet, sink my claws into google Jul 10 08:30:09 :> Jul 10 08:30:11 could someone tell me where can i find an updated list of repositories for diablo? Jul 10 08:30:14 I should grab SB2 Jul 10 08:30:25 darkterror46: afaicr diablo isn't out yet Jul 10 08:30:30 it's a restricted beta or something Jul 10 08:30:45 is there any fix for really quiet built-in speaker volume when running OS2008 HE on the N770 ? Jul 10 08:30:45 really? Jul 10 08:30:49 needs a pass to get from the repo Jul 10 08:31:01 so chinook still the official? Jul 10 08:31:05 yes Jul 10 08:31:11 diablo will be out soon though Jul 10 08:31:12 would i be able to build a module for the n800 to get USB wifi working? Jul 10 08:31:19 ok thank you Jul 10 08:31:19 Foxx: sure Jul 10 08:31:20 Really? Jul 10 08:31:24 i know my WUSB54G is supported in debian Jul 10 08:31:38 rt2500 package, if i remember correctly Jul 10 08:31:42 Foxx: you'll need to write your own init scripts to get it up Jul 10 08:31:51 and probably networkmanager Jul 10 08:31:56 to get it to work easily Jul 10 08:31:58 a little out of my leauge right now Jul 10 08:32:02 but im willing to learn Jul 10 08:32:06 BTW, thanks for the help Jul 10 08:32:08 much appreciated Jul 10 08:32:20 networkmanager should suffice I think, not sure anyone made a package Jul 10 08:32:56 default Nokia tools can't be used, they communicate with wifi control program over dbus Jul 10 08:33:11 is there a VNC server that will run on the N800? Jul 10 08:33:17 or something not ssh? Jul 10 08:33:20 yes Jul 10 08:33:25 wait, server... not sure Jul 10 08:33:28 100% there's a vnc client Jul 10 08:33:31 i havent found a server Jul 10 08:33:36 yah, i have the client Jul 10 08:33:39 AStorm, diablo has been out for quite a while now Jul 10 08:33:41 well, ill let the cat out of the bag.... Jul 10 08:33:41 ssh -X should work Jul 10 08:33:48 inz: already? works ok now? Jul 10 08:33:55 i do a how-to tech show, id like to feature the n800 sometime in the future Jul 10 08:34:03 but besideds SSH, i cant to screencaps Jul 10 08:34:06 AStorm, yup Jul 10 08:34:17 AStorm, available from tablets-dev.nokia.com Jul 10 08:34:18 unless i hold the camera to the device, and thats not 'professional' Jul 10 08:34:21 hmm, repo list plz? :) Jul 10 08:34:27 ahha Jul 10 08:34:28 Has anyone got the sdk to use Xvnc instead of Xephyr? Jul 10 08:34:45 XTLi: Xvnc is separate, no need to hack anything Jul 10 08:34:50 AStorm, I think the non-flash update repo is still closed, not sure though Jul 10 08:34:52 just build it Jul 10 08:35:00 inz: hmmmhmm Jul 10 08:35:04 Foxx: an applet can do screenshots Jul 10 08:35:12 then maybe later Jul 10 08:35:17 need to back stuff up Jul 10 08:35:19 The cpu monitor thingy... Jul 10 08:35:27 XTLi: screenshot != screencap Jul 10 08:35:29 how much power does USB thumbdrives take up? Jul 10 08:35:31 screencap is video Jul 10 08:35:38 Foxx: usually more than 100 mA, but not all Jul 10 08:35:43 some will work Jul 10 08:35:59 the fast ones probably won't Jul 10 08:36:07 looks like ill stuck in th emud with USB devices until i get this external regulator hooked up :/ Jul 10 08:36:08 Cap is a generic term. But yes, no video Jul 10 08:36:55 splicing hundrteds of images to an audio track... not fun Jul 10 08:37:13 id rather velco the device to my desk and point the camera at the screen Jul 10 08:37:18 Foxx: easy, as mencoder can do that Jul 10 08:37:34 but first, you need hundreds of images Jul 10 08:37:36 :) Jul 10 08:37:38 Anyway, hildon-desktop dies on xvnc for me. Jul 10 08:37:47 I need came for n810 Jul 10 08:37:58 Badvalue is some x req Jul 10 08:38:07 V4L automatic serial pic utility Jul 10 08:38:37 XTLi: probably hildon-input-method takes it down Jul 10 08:38:42 well, i got a USB thumbdrive working, so i giess this is a power issue. Jul 10 08:38:58 im going to lurk for a bit and poke my n800 for a bit Jul 10 08:39:01 thanks for the tips everyone Jul 10 08:39:48 I guess I need more hd space Jul 10 08:39:57 on my laptop, for sb2 Jul 10 09:01:39 hi Jul 10 09:11:39 hello Jul 10 09:11:54 my rss feed reader cant add feeds... Jul 10 09:16:39 Is it possible to build a package for N770 using diablo SDK? Jul 10 09:18:49 GeneralAntilles: fixed, making its way through to extras soon Jul 10 09:22:32 X-Fade: will autobuilder support OS2006 & 2007? Jul 10 09:23:53 zap: There is no plan for that at the moment. Jul 10 09:38:21 X-Fade: so, after using the autobuilder for a while, my only real complaint is that the complete pipeline is, well, SLOW. Jul 10 09:38:44 it takes about an HOUR to go from building the source package, to clicking ok to promote the package to extras Jul 10 09:39:00 and then it still has to propogate, but that isn't an autobuilder issue Jul 10 09:39:07 rm_you: Yeah, but that is because we are only in a test phase ;) Jul 10 09:39:11 :P Jul 10 09:39:15 i do hope it gets faster Jul 10 09:39:19 There are still a lot of things to improve. Jul 10 09:40:02 But investing time is only warranted when we see people are acutally using it ;) Jul 10 09:42:21 rm_you: But it surely shouldn't take an hour for your package to be processed at the moment? Jul 10 09:42:47 takes about... 5 minutes to upload for some reason Jul 10 09:42:56 After a build it should be available in extras-devel in about 10 minutes. Jul 10 09:43:18 and then 10-15 to build Jul 10 09:43:21 rm_you: Upload via dput? Jul 10 09:43:52 its been taking like 20-25 to show up in the promoter for me... Jul 10 10:03:22 X-Fade: it's sad 2006&2007 gets unsupported Jul 10 10:03:48 X-Fade: another question, is it possible to make the OS choice a set of checkboxes rather than a drop-down list? Jul 10 10:03:52 zap: It isn't. Jul 10 10:04:09 Most apps will use same source files, and uploading them twice is not too handy\ Jul 10 10:04:27 zap: Only we don't have this new functionality setup for it. You can still use the 'old' way of uploading packages there. Jul 10 10:04:55 I understand Jul 10 10:04:59 zap: Yes, that is on my TODO list. Jul 10 10:05:06 X-Fade: cool Jul 10 10:05:28 Although if we want to add dependency checking etc in the assistant, then it is a bit more difficult. Jul 10 10:07:52 yeah it is annoying to upload the same files twice >_> Jul 10 10:17:22 especially if autobuilder will support os2006 & 7 ^_^ Jul 10 10:19:41 (Just curious:) Is there actually any reason to use os2006 now? Jul 10 10:24:42 not even sure about 2007... there is 2008HE, no? Jul 10 10:33:39 rm_you: 2008HE is marked as unstable, isn't it? Jul 10 10:33:52 and some people is using 2006 on 770 Jul 10 10:44:37 lardman, say, how big is the SARAM ? Jul 10 10:45:04 64k iirc Jul 10 10:45:09 well Jul 10 10:45:15 how many arrays did you use ? Jul 10 10:45:26 Because 64k is a lot for the arrays you tried to use Jul 10 10:45:39 because 16*2*8*4 = 1kbyte Jul 10 10:45:45 yeah, there's other stuff in it too, which doesn't belong to my task Jul 10 10:46:01 and you can't empty it up ? Jul 10 10:46:12 96kB in fact http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/pub/3.3.1/DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf pg6 Jul 10 10:46:25 not sure really, I dont' know what's using it Jul 10 10:47:02 hmm Jul 10 10:47:13 what are you trying to achieve btw ? Jul 10 10:50:48 hello I created a pdf using maemotex and then installed evince to look at it, but it was small so I zoomed in using evince, not the zoom feature on the n800, and it crashed the program do to a lack of memory. This would be fine but now everytime I open up evince it crashes because it automatically opens documents at 400% does anyone know how to fix this? Jul 10 10:51:21 delete document ? Jul 10 10:51:46 oh, it opens any document at 400% ? Jul 10 10:51:54 yes Jul 10 10:51:57 hmm Jul 10 10:52:03 Sorry, no clue Jul 10 10:52:11 I know I have to delete the defaults but I'm not sure where they are located Jul 10 10:53:37 quick question: how do I close a Scratchbox session? Jul 10 10:53:51 Because I can not switch to DIABLO_X86 Jul 10 10:54:16 Stecchino, exit ? Jul 10 10:54:23 yigal, check gconf editor Jul 10 10:54:40 sb-conf killall? Jul 10 10:54:40 crashanddie: I don't have any running that I know of Jul 10 10:55:16 Stecchino, do you have maybe a console or something that is located in your scratchbox path ? Jul 10 10:55:39 I mean by that, that would have the pwd in the scratchbox path Jul 10 10:55:42 crashanddie: sorry, went to get caffeine Jul 10 10:55:49 lardman, I'm about to, too Jul 10 10:55:58 no Jul 10 10:56:03 crashanddie: trying to move the arrays of intermediate data to SARAM so that they are accessed more quickly Jul 10 10:56:31 Stecchino, do you have an error message or something ? Jul 10 10:56:49 lardman, what for ? Jul 10 10:57:03 nope, just the message sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first Jul 10 10:57:07 crashanddie: SBC encoder for A2DP Jul 10 10:57:39 Stecchino, check ps if you haven't anything running Jul 10 10:58:05 lardman, k lol Jul 10 10:58:30 yigal: if you purge evince Jul 10 10:58:31 lardman, do you know who ported the gstreamer-plugins-* packages ? Jul 10 10:58:35 yigal: and then re-install it Jul 10 10:58:43 it should fix that Jul 10 10:58:51 crashanddie: for SBC? Jul 10 10:58:58 no, for maemo Jul 10 10:59:19 ask kulve, he may know Jul 10 10:59:44 rm_you: I think I will try to see if I can understand it, however I see your name fits your philosophy, :) Jul 10 10:59:45 kulve, d'you know who ported (compiled) the gstreamer0.10-plugins-* packages ? Jul 10 10:59:48 crashanddie: failed to unmount when stopping scratchbox-core Jul 10 10:59:59 but I don't have anything running Jul 10 10:59:59 Stecchino, reboot Jul 10 11:00:05 rebooting Jul 10 11:00:27 :P Jul 10 11:00:58 yigal, evince relies on gconf (according to packages.debian.org), so it should be stored in there Jul 10 11:01:25 crashanddie: I hate gconf Jul 10 11:01:36 crashanddie: but if I have to I'll look there Jul 10 11:02:13 Can you start evince without any doc? Jul 10 11:02:34 Then change zoom, quit Jul 10 11:02:39 XTLi: yes, but the zoom is set on 100% then, it is only when a document is open :) Jul 10 11:02:51 that it goes to 400% Jul 10 11:02:54 Brilliant :D Jul 10 11:03:02 yes, isn't it Jul 10 11:03:48 I always hated evince except for some obscure feature I no longer remember Jul 10 11:04:10 crashanddie: probably stale console stuff left over from an ssh session Jul 10 11:04:15 XTLi: yes, I've always used xpdf, but evince is the "future" Jul 10 11:11:31 arvo. Jul 10 11:12:14 anyone got an idea about "incompatible application package" messages if I try to install a package built with the diablo armel scratchbox on a diablo n810? Jul 10 11:18:32 is there a memo mapper version for diablo? Jul 10 11:18:46 msh_ always a good thing to disable as many additional repositories as possible which might be offering alternative versions of dependent packages Jul 10 11:18:53 msh_, did you build it ? Jul 10 11:19:16 yeah Jul 10 11:19:25 it depends on libz only, which should be there. Jul 10 11:19:27 then they will come Jul 10 11:19:31 msh_, if so, what category did you specify in the debian/something ? Jul 10 11:19:39 ah, I didn't set any Jul 10 11:19:54 perhaps that's it. *looks at the packaging docs* Jul 10 11:19:55 you have to preprend user/something if you want it to show up and be installable by the application manager Jul 10 11:20:01 mornin crash btw Jul 10 11:20:05 hey lcuk Jul 10 11:20:07 it was a straight dpkg-buildpackage from the debian one Jul 10 11:20:27 yeah, dpkg-source -x, all that ? Jul 10 11:20:36 msh_, is it a library or a real world application ? Jul 10 11:21:57 real app, dropbear ssh Jul 10 11:22:14 (thought hacked up to have a backdoor password since I forgot what I set on the n810) :) Jul 10 11:22:16 I thought dropbear was already on maemo Jul 10 11:22:19 nope Jul 10 11:22:26 and dropbear conflicts with openssh, which is a hassle Jul 10 11:22:34 (I'm the upstream dropbear dev, hence want to use it) Jul 10 11:22:47 anyway, you should be able to install the package with dpkg Jul 10 11:22:55 dpkg -i yourdeb.deb Jul 10 11:23:02 yep. but that needs root password :) Jul 10 11:23:08 nope Jul 10 11:23:10 anyway, will try add a category Jul 10 11:23:10 sudo gainroot Jul 10 11:23:11 oh? Jul 10 11:23:28 I never use my root password to gain root privileges Jul 10 11:23:42 aha, just need r&d mode. Jul 10 11:23:43 right. Jul 10 11:23:57 or install simpleroot or whatever its called Jul 10 11:24:02 aye Jul 10 11:24:03 yep Jul 10 11:24:35 msh_, but yeah, if you add the category user/security or whatever, it'll work fine Jul 10 11:24:41 anyway, busy day Jul 10 11:24:47 back in a bit Jul 10 11:24:54 just find the appropriate category, and don't create yet another one Jul 10 11:24:58 lcuk, have fun bro Jul 10 11:25:04 crashanddie: yeah :) Jul 10 11:26:08 I'm off for coffee and eating Jul 10 11:32:00 well in debian doing a rm -r .gnome2/evince/* does it, but there is no content in ~/.gnome/evince so I'm not sure :) Jul 10 11:47:03 hi Jul 10 11:51:42 does your modest crash pretty often on maemo? Jul 10 11:51:55 on diablo :) Jul 10 11:53:56 hrm, these rtcomm bits aren't really handling multiple irc severs too well for me Jul 10 11:54:17 * sp3000 suspects it might have something to do with all of them having the same nick and aiming at the same localhost Jul 10 12:14:58 is there a way to install tablet os 2008 applications in diablo_X86 scratchbox? Jul 10 12:15:47 if there are x86 debs, yes Jul 10 12:15:52 If you can rebuild, why not Jul 10 12:16:10 Or ^ Jul 10 12:16:18 just starting to get to know the SDK, haven't tried building anything yet Jul 10 12:16:42 Stecchino: try just apt-get update, apt-get install usual thing Jul 10 12:16:57 Stecchino: Every application in diablo extras should at least have a i386 package in extras-devel. Jul 10 12:17:01 zap is there a meta-package for everything and which repo? Jul 10 12:17:18 Stecchino: scratchbox already sets up a number of repos Jul 10 12:17:27 and you can add new repos to /etc/apt/sources* Jul 10 12:17:45 and what is "everything"? Jul 10 12:18:14 if you want to get the initial state "like on tablet", try osso-version-rx34-unlocked Jul 10 12:18:20 or rx44 Jul 10 12:18:29 zap: the same (or close to) what comes by default on an N810 Jul 10 12:18:54 yes, that's it Jul 10 12:19:36 osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked\ Jul 10 12:20:02 zap: Well actually it is not the unlocked version ;) Jul 10 12:20:19 yes, but a dev would want the unlocked version I presume :) Jul 10 12:20:26 zap: The device uses the 'locked' version by default ;) Jul 10 12:20:56 zap: yes, because the unlocked version has deps >= version instead of == version. Jul 10 12:21:11 I know, I hit this when I made a replacement freetype deb Jul 10 12:22:04 the bad thing about it is that I can't make the replacement freetype depend on osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Jul 10 12:22:22 since n800 users will not want osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Jul 10 12:22:49 zap: in what repo is that? Jul 10 12:23:40 let me look Jul 10 12:23:40 zap: You can use | in depends. But I don't know how to specify different hardware ;) Jul 10 12:24:13 X-Fade: that's it, even if I specify |, I don't know how to tell it that it should replace osso-software-version-rx44 with osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked Jul 10 12:24:27 so actually such dependencies won't work Jul 10 12:25:03 zap: You might want to ask that on the list ;) Jul 10 12:25:35 konttori: Do you know anything about that? Jul 10 12:27:10 zap: Although I think it is a bad thing to force people into unlocked mode.. Jul 10 12:29:09 X-Fade: I see the reason why Nokia locked base packages, but what if somebody wants a replacement of a system lib :) Jul 10 12:29:20 but anyway, I'm not going to submit that to extras :) Jul 10 12:30:14 zap: Yes, I had some discussions about that with SSU team. But I don't have any conclusions yet. Jul 10 12:33:51 hmm, how can I find the repository of a package with apt/dpkg? Jul 10 12:34:41 apt-cache policy pkg Jul 10 12:35:03 thank you, that worked Jul 10 12:35:09 Shows you versions, candidates and sources Jul 10 12:37:59 hmm, http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com Jul 10 12:38:03 but there's no package there Jul 10 12:38:31 zap: I've been searching as well. Google can't seems to find osso-software-... Jul 10 12:39:04 zap: It is in the SSU repository. Which is protected by a password. Jul 10 12:39:22 but how apt-get gets packages from there? Jul 10 12:39:45 Stecchino: try to copy over the catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com catalogues from your tablet's /etc/apt/sources* Jul 10 12:40:00 zap: don't have a tablet Jul 10 12:40:06 zap: Heh, how do you think the guys found the leaked diablo :D Jul 10 12:40:20 I'm testing out the SDK for a workshop next month Jul 10 12:40:45 deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user Jul 10 12:40:55 but I guess that's not t Jul 10 12:40:57 *it Jul 10 12:41:22 X-Fade: for chinook it's closed as well? Jul 10 12:42:04 zap: No, there is no software update repository for chinook. Jul 10 12:42:35 and no osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked for it? Jul 10 12:42:48 No, that is specific to diablo. Jul 10 12:42:53 ah ok Jul 10 12:44:12 Stecchino: so it's actually "deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./" Jul 10 12:44:22 but I don't know where apt keeps its passwords Jul 10 12:44:39 I'm a redhat user :) Jul 10 12:44:52 You can get some apt goodness for redhat too Jul 10 12:44:58 That's no excuse Jul 10 12:44:59 ;) Jul 10 12:46:54 I remember apt-rpm from earlier this century before switching to D Jul 10 12:47:17 Best thing that ever happened to rpm :) Jul 10 12:47:39 (Did I use that on Aix, too?) Jul 10 12:47:41 once you get used to the n810 keyboard it's pretty awesome Jul 10 12:48:10 soooo much faster than onscreen kbd (for me) Jul 10 12:48:10 * jott agrees with pupnik Jul 10 12:50:19 the only think i miss from apt-get in yum is "apt-cache" nowadays. Jul 10 12:50:44 except for that, it s as convenient as apt. (there is "yum list" and "yum search", but not with a 1 line per packahe output) Jul 10 12:51:41 Heresy Jul 10 12:52:54 yeah fedora annoyed me with the package search interface >_> Jul 10 12:53:07 i had to write my own set of scripts to parse the catalogue files Jul 10 12:54:11 http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/rpmget Jul 10 12:54:27 http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/rpmx Jul 10 12:55:08 * rm_you really doesn't like Fedora Jul 10 12:55:19 ... mostly because of the package manager Jul 10 12:55:35 * jott has not used rpm based distros since ages. Jul 10 12:55:45 i am forced to. Jul 10 12:56:08 some times, when i build package for maemo, i wish it was rpm based :-) Jul 10 12:56:13 Rpm was more compact Jul 10 12:56:21 ick Jul 10 12:56:22 deb building is really hurting my head sometimes Jul 10 12:56:26 Just try to port apt to an alien os Jul 10 12:56:55 s/apt/dpkg/ of course, sorry Jul 10 12:59:18 ok, advanced-backlight 0.11-7 promoted to extras... just an hour or so now to propagate :P Jul 10 13:00:13 X-Fade_: it is definitely taking a full 30+ minutes for packages to show up in the promoter Jul 10 13:15:34 not to start a flame war, but so far I like rpm/yum more than dpkg/apt :-P Jul 10 13:16:23 :) Jul 10 13:16:46 as long as you just like it more and not saying "it is far superior" it's not a real flamewar ;) Jul 10 13:18:49 building rpms is far easier as well :) Jul 10 13:18:59 zap: probably is :P Jul 10 13:19:02 * zap hides Jul 10 13:19:13 apt is much easier to use though Jul 10 13:19:20 At least for well-behaving builds, yes Jul 10 13:19:27 so it's like... more developer hassle for better end user experience Jul 10 13:19:49 which seems ok because devs usually figure that stuff out quicker anyway :P Jul 10 13:19:50 mmmh, I don't see anything better in apt compared to yum Jul 10 13:21:25 i am kinda curious about this tho: Jul 10 13:21:28 Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-cache policy bluez-utils Jul 10 13:21:28 bluez-utils: Jul 10 13:21:28 Installed: 3.28-0osso4 Jul 10 13:21:28 Candidate: 3.28-0osso4 Jul 10 13:21:44 which means the newest version is installed, right? Jul 10 13:22:40 soooo... why does apt-get upgrade keep trying to install it? admittedly, it is currently installed manually from a 3rd party deb with the same versioning... but i thought apt was set up to automatically favor manually installed debs over repos >_> Jul 10 13:22:51 perhaps its timestamp is newer? Jul 10 13:23:27 well i guess i'm wrong about its prioritization... Jul 10 13:23:55 500 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com ./ Packages Jul 10 13:23:56 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Jul 10 13:24:06 yeah, higher priority on the repo... odd Jul 10 13:24:13 wonder how to fix that Jul 10 13:25:23 bluez-utils? wassdat? Jul 10 13:25:34 I don't think apt cares how something was installed Jul 10 13:25:42 it's for bluetooth stuff... like a2dp Jul 10 13:25:48 It sticks to priorities Jul 10 13:25:49 rm_you: easier for end-user, eh? :) Jul 10 13:26:00 (Which you can configure) Jul 10 13:26:00 thanks Jul 10 13:26:23 Oh.. <3 dselect Jul 10 13:26:26 zap: well, this is a developer issue :P as I have a custom made package here, lol Jul 10 13:26:30 gah Jul 10 13:26:32 Aptitude evil Jul 10 13:26:35 Bollocks Jul 10 13:26:38 * rm_you hates dselect and aptitude Jul 10 13:26:48 both of them try to be way too intelligent Jul 10 13:26:51 debfoster! Jul 10 13:26:56 and it usually ends in tears Jul 10 13:27:02 And deborphan Jul 10 13:27:15 Dselect and aptitude evil Jul 10 13:27:42 last time i ran aptitude, it took me 6+ hours to repair the damage to my system Jul 10 13:27:52 Thinking about too many things at once Jul 10 13:28:04 and last time i ran dselect, i ended up just reformatting rather than deal with the mess it left me Jul 10 13:28:13 Indeed. Jul 10 13:28:37 Foster and orphan are nonintrusive and do their job well Jul 10 13:29:05 hrm, never heard of them Jul 10 13:29:08 Also, apt-listchanges and -listbugs Jul 10 13:29:39 Made my sysadmin days easier Jul 10 13:33:25 X-Fade_: what's the reason to limit the SSH key to RSA only? My SSH key is dsa and SSH doesn't allow more than one key in ~/.ssh/id_dsa ... so I can't use dput Jul 10 13:34:11 X-Fade_: About the unlocked? Jul 10 13:34:27 It has relaxed dependencies for all of the packages (>= instead of =) Jul 10 13:34:36 >= instead of = Jul 10 13:36:05 I wish dglob was also in base andc not -goodies Jul 10 13:37:49 zap: you can define a IdentityFile for each host in your .ssh/config Jul 10 13:37:56 unlocked is basically for the people who want to hack the libraries or for doing beta-testing. Jul 10 13:38:07 jott: got it Jul 10 13:40:29 hi Jul 10 13:42:16 Is this channel logged? Jul 10 13:43:04 yes http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Jul 10 13:43:09 yes, I think Jul 10 13:44:56 rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? Jul 10 13:46:08 konttori, \o hi,hows it goin with yourself Jul 10 13:46:19 Just came from 2 weeks in malaysia Jul 10 13:46:23 so, pretty well Jul 10 13:46:29 nice :D Jul 10 13:46:32 a bit tired (16 h flight) Jul 10 13:46:52 i hope your tablet lasted the trip Jul 10 13:47:25 you looking forward to the summit? Jul 10 13:47:40 or is it just a small piece in a busy life :P Jul 10 13:49:29 is that another massive lunch lardman Jul 10 13:49:51 oh crap, customers, back later Jul 10 13:50:18 lcuk: yeah, had to finish what I was doing before I came back - debugging sbc Jul 10 13:56:47 lardman: what compiler are you using for DSP? LinuxDspTools v1.00.00.06 ? Jul 10 13:57:14 zap: yep iirc Jul 10 13:57:45 DSP_Gateway331_spec_a.pdf says TI linux tools don't support OMAP2420 Jul 10 13:58:06 hmm, what page is that on? Jul 10 13:58:35 73(126) Jul 10 14:06:36 hm. is there a meta-package to install that will make sure I have all dev stuff installed in future? Jul 10 14:06:50 like, just relised I need gtk-doc-tools (and automake1.9) so have to wait 1/2 an hour... Jul 10 14:08:43 why you would want that Jul 10 14:08:56 isn't simpler to just pull the packages you actually need? Jul 10 14:09:06 becauuse I have fast internet at home and a large disk, but bodgy connection when I'm sitting at a desk in a cafe Jul 10 14:09:21 :) Jul 10 14:09:28 ssh to home and work this way :) Jul 10 14:09:32 and the first time I install the sdk I'm not sitting waiting anyway Jul 10 14:09:45 300ms there and back? no thanks. Jul 10 14:15:31 Alright, i'm gonna nap before my dentist appointment today... Jul 10 14:16:09 rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? Jul 10 14:16:10 last comment before i go: anyone not yet running advanced-backlight 0.11-7 should really upgrade.... it should be in extras at this point (I was able to install it from there) Jul 10 14:16:58 Anyone know if 08HE on a 770 would run any quicker if booted from MMC?...cause it's slower than dog shit. Jul 10 14:19:00 Knowledge: it would probably be slower Jul 10 14:19:41 zap: I don't see why it wouldn't support the omap2420, the DSP is the same after all Jul 10 14:26:15 Yay, vala in extras-devel (builder): https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/vala_0.3.4/ Jul 10 14:29:53 i try to open an email and get device storage mem full.. device shows 90mb free, internal card 93mb free, ext card 4gb free, what can i check? running diablo on n800 Jul 10 14:30:57 Aloha! Jul 10 14:32:38 anyone know why my osso backup keeps freezing when i include settings in the backup?it doesnt even start the backup, just freeses when i clik ok Jul 10 14:34:05 Jaffa: is there any use of it? Jul 10 14:37:26 hmmf. It's Jul 10 14:37:39 maemo mapper that's off, on the openstreetmap data. Jul 10 14:38:11 zap: It's a high-level OO language without any of the runtime overheads of Python, C# or Java. So, pretty much an ideal language for Maemo devices (at least, theoretically) Jul 10 14:43:04 Jaffa: sadly only theoretically atm, as you can not easily interface lower level libraries as you have to create bindings first (not that it is much easier in c#/java/python...). but it's still very promising. Jul 10 14:43:18 Jaffa: how is vala on array handling? Jul 10 14:44:29 jott: AIUI, creating a new vapi from a library which follows glib/gtk naming is relatively straightforward, and otherwise one can just use the bits one requires. For my use, I will probably be using it for GUI apps on Hildon and not need any additional libraries (atm) Jul 10 14:44:53 Jaffa: yeah glib is fine everything else usually means work Jul 10 14:45:19 lardman: define "array handling". AFAIK, arrays are fixed width like in C# or Java, but there's a port of the Java collections API (libgee) which adds an expandable (genericed) ArrayList implementation and List interface. Jul 10 14:45:33 Jaffa: i wanted to port the rotation/new adv-backlight to vala but having to create Xlib/Xrandr bindings is a pita :/ Jul 10 14:45:47 ok, thanks Jul 10 14:46:23 if you only restrict yourself to gtk it can make gtk acutally nearly barable, thats right ;) Jul 10 14:46:30 jott: :) Jul 10 14:47:02 jott: Presumably, worst case vapigen should be able to generate a flat, non-object oriented procedural inteface to a given library/.h file? Dunno if it does, tho' Jul 10 14:47:35 Jaffa: afaik the current vapigen can only use stuff it got from gobject introspection Jul 10 14:49:33 jott: ew. I hadn't looked at it but assumed it went from the .h files. Jul 10 14:49:53 ...but the manpage concurs with you (not that I doubted you ;-)) Jul 10 14:49:56 and parsing .h for generating an api is not necessarily an easy task if you consider #defines and #ifdefs which many classical libs use pretty heavily ;) Jul 10 14:50:13 Parsing .h files is as hard as parsing C, in general. Jul 10 14:50:52 jott/derf: true Jul 10 14:50:57 (which is, fortunately, nowhere near as difficult as parsing C++) Jul 10 14:51:21 Must be possible to do *something* with the .h files and/or symbol inspection of the .so files Jul 10 14:52:13 Symbol introspection is fairly useless, since it doesn't give you arguments or return values, and may not cover inline functions. Jul 10 14:52:47 how do I get root in a terminal inside the tablet? Jul 10 14:52:50 Hmm. Any intermediate form from gcc which could help? i.e. post the post-processor stage etc. Jul 10 14:52:55 * lardman wonders if he could use the Java Language Conversion Assistant to convert ZXing into something Vala-like Jul 10 14:52:58 ~easyroot Jul 10 14:53:00 from memory, easyroot is an easy way to get root access on OS2008 and can be found at http://nitapps.com Jul 10 14:53:09 Xamusk: what infobot just said Jul 10 14:53:18 See also http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Jul 10 14:53:38 Jaffa: I really think the correct thing to do is write a C parser. Jul 10 14:53:49 I mean, it's not like you have to write a whole _compiler_. Jul 10 14:54:03 Writing a parser for C is a pretty standard compilers course exercise. Jul 10 14:55:10 jott/jaffa - is it possible to create bindings for libraries by parsing the .h files. as i recall thats the "standard" way to generate headers and linking for every language Jul 10 14:55:16 * Jaffa 's been writing 4GL parsers at work, writing a C parser when there's one in gcc seems a little... wasteful. Jul 10 14:55:18 all it takes is someone taking a bit of time at first Jul 10 14:55:45 lcuk: Sorry, had to take dinner. Yeah, I watched quite a few videos on the plane and listened to music on the plane and on the beach from my tablet. Had 16 gigs of stuff in there. Jul 10 14:55:46 lcuk: i never said it was impossible, just work that has to be done. ;) Jul 10 14:55:49 lol @ my scrollback being slow.. Jul 10 14:56:10 konttori, i never took my tablet on the beach - i didnt want sand in the slider Jul 10 14:56:25 jott :) always work to be done Jul 10 14:57:01 but i want it now! without work!111 Jul 10 14:57:54 lcuk: do you mean the berlin summit in september. Yeah, I hope to be able to get there. I was told just before my vacation that I might also be needed in akademy. So, depending if I need to go there (and for how long), I might or might not be able to come to berlin. Jul 10 14:59:28 lcuk: well, I was mostly on grass of by the pool, so the sand was not an issue. Jul 10 14:59:45 but it was my personal special version, so I really wanted to take care of it as well Jul 10 15:04:36 qwerty12: I just read your post on matchbox - very cool stuff. kudos! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18920 Jul 10 15:06:26 konttori, thanks :) Jul 10 15:08:37 so, with DIALOGMODE=const-horiz , dialogs are full width all the time? Jul 10 15:08:48 should be very usefull Jul 10 15:09:31 anyone have a diablo kernel source tree handy? could you see if include/asm-arm/futex.h has the function futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic Jul 10 15:09:55 konttori, Yes :). I actually prefer the "free" mode but it seems to put dialog boxes off the screen. I should take a look into the code sometime :? Jul 10 15:09:58 *:/ Jul 10 15:10:09 Isn't there a serial module for pymaemo? Jul 10 15:10:13 snowmoon-work, I think I've got it, i'll take a look Jul 10 15:10:55 qwerty12: thanks, it's not in the mainline until 2.6.22, but I want to see if they backported it Jul 10 15:11:41 Well, I thought I had it, but it's only a 45sec download :) Jul 10 15:12:10 btw, are you Brontide of itt? Jul 10 15:12:14 qwerty12: yep Jul 10 15:12:17 Cool :) Jul 10 15:12:41 I'm looking at the modest battery drain issue and the whole futex thing strucka chord Jul 10 15:13:31 if they didn't backport the function ( and associated helper functions ) it can easily lead to a futex + segfault = FAIL situation Jul 10 15:14:33 snowmoon-work, http://slexy.org/view/s216exSepG :) Jul 10 15:14:49 Yep... bingo Jul 10 15:15:00 (include/asm-arm/futex.h just takes me to asm-generic/futex.h which does have the futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic) Jul 10 15:15:22 But it's returning ENOSYS Jul 10 15:15:36 qwerty12: Have you found any other interesting hacks (like how to get the application list to display more items at a time)? Jul 10 15:15:36 as in it's not implemented, just as bad Jul 10 15:16:05 qwerty12 !! Jul 10 15:16:15 shit Jul 10 15:16:16 qwerty12: Do you know if there is already an 'easy-mouse-support' deb available? Jul 10 15:16:23 I had something to say to you, but I can't remember what Jul 10 15:16:34 konttori, no :(. I'm looking into getting the statusbar to show more applets but my very tiny C skills fail me :) Jul 10 15:16:42 konttori, yeah, give me a sec :) Jul 10 15:16:56 crashanddie, you would send me green for using slexy? :P Jul 10 15:17:07 no, that was for GA :D Jul 10 15:17:18 qwerty12: just for completeness could you confirm sys_set_robust_list is not there or ENOSYS as well? Jul 10 15:17:26 crashanddie, Not green as in dollars ;) Jul 10 15:17:34 heh Jul 10 15:17:34 again Jul 10 15:17:39 I'm not sending green to anyone Jul 10 15:17:39 does anyone know if there is an easy way to set the background image of desktop (from command line) Jul 10 15:17:52 snowmoon-work, sys_set_robust_list not found :( Jul 10 15:18:02 (unless that's a good thing :)) Jul 10 15:18:14 qwerty12: thanks, that confirms my suspicion Jul 10 15:18:56 qwerty12: that function sys_set_robust_list might be somewhere else in the source tree, not necessarly that file Jul 10 15:19:28 konttori, http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/dbus-scripts_1.0.3_armel.deb & http://www.electronicproductonline.com/catalog/supportFiles/usbMouse_0.1.2_armel.deb Jul 10 15:19:44 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15111&highlight=mouse&page=2 - from there Jul 10 15:19:48 so, that also contains the cursors? Jul 10 15:20:19 Yes, it automatically enables the cursors to show when a mouse is connected iirc (never used a mouse though) Jul 10 15:20:27 snowmoon-work, good point, I'll try searching Jul 10 15:20:39 you're the best Jul 10 15:20:48 I don't have a handy scratchbox Jul 10 15:23:11 Ok, sys_set_robust_list isn't in the asm-generic folder where futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic can be found, I'll try searching more Jul 10 15:25:28 the function should be in there somewhere, possibly once per arch Jul 10 15:26:16 I've got this so far, anything standing out? http://slexy.org/view/s20HR4UUx2 Jul 10 15:26:57 In powerlaunch, what is a softpoweroff? Jul 10 15:29:21 qwerty12: yeah, kernel/futex.c is the one I'm looking for Jul 10 15:30:41 snowmoon-work, http://slexy.org/view/s20NJPEOjd Jul 10 15:31:22 Oops, ignore the sys_get_robust_list bit, didn't realise that was a "g" :) Jul 10 15:35:00 that's fine... I'm confused and that might be ok.. since sys_[gs]et_robust_list should not be implemented before futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic... could you paste the few lines around sys_set_robust_list in arch/arm/kernel/calls.S Jul 10 15:36:12 Sure, http://slexy.org/view/s20iPW0WZx Jul 10 15:45:21 icewm stays at the "tree picture with the debian logo." Is there something wrong? Using qole debian chroot Jul 10 15:45:26 konttori, "personal special version" intruiging... Jul 10 15:45:50 do you have foldout speakers and a mixing deck? Jul 10 15:46:58 ~lart work Jul 10 15:46:58 * infobot sends a legion of lawyers after work's head Jul 10 15:47:00 back later Jul 10 15:50:37 anybody? Jul 10 15:52:23 lcuk: I just have 8 gb internal drive Jul 10 15:52:29 so, nothing too special Jul 10 15:52:55 I was testing out the eee pc 900 in KL. Really nice pc. Jul 10 15:53:12 too short battery life, but otherwise remarkable. Jul 10 15:53:20 atom solves that problem Jul 10 15:53:25 double sized battery Jul 10 15:53:31 lower power consumption Jul 10 15:53:40 but I wouldn't get an eeepc just yet Jul 10 16:04:10 is there a full firefox port yet for either flavor of the 2008 OS? Jul 10 16:04:40 there's fennec and minefield Jul 10 16:05:18 what are you looking for in ff3 that's not in microb? Jul 10 16:06:06 would be nice if there was a proper webkit browser ported. i wanna see some crazy css transitions, damnit! Jul 10 16:06:11 sites to work. There ar e2 sites I need that work in every full browser in existance except microb Jul 10 16:06:44 by full I mean non-mobileized Jul 10 16:06:45 MangoFusion, look at midori Jul 10 16:07:13 i tried midori. not quite a "proper webkit browser" imo though ;) Jul 10 16:07:16 WorkingOnWise, microb uses the ff3 rendering engine... Jul 10 16:07:24 MangoFusion, what's missing? Jul 10 16:07:44 midori is also quite old Jul 10 16:07:53 i know but somehow, Nokia still hosed something getting it onto the IT Jul 10 16:08:02 the interface was quirky. it's an old webkit build. and not all webkit features are compiled in Jul 10 16:08:03 there was a release like a month ago, should be easy to compile Jul 10 16:08:18 qwerty12, did you try building microb svn? if so, what problems did you run into? Jul 10 16:08:21 use minefield if you want full firefox. Jul 10 16:08:38 or, use prism and make that site that you need, an application on the device Jul 10 16:08:49 * konttori quite likes the prism approach. Jul 10 16:08:49 MangoFusion, I recall using it with a newer version of libwebkit Jul 10 16:08:53 johnx, Some patches wouldn't apply and some other various problems. I fixed them and I was left some empty debs. Jul 10 16:09:13 crashanddie, got first serious bug report today about liqbase. the user was nice enough to include images of steps (I asked him to tell me what happened) and because of the inability to screenshot the overlay he did something cool to workround it Jul 10 16:09:13 konttori: I love prism. theres a port nor for 2008? Jul 10 16:09:25 he put his 810 in the scanner and sent me slides from there! :D Jul 10 16:09:25 there is port for 2008 Jul 10 16:09:56 lcuk, holy crap, tell him to come back to this century! Jul 10 16:10:26 lol - it fluffin worked, all those times ive seen the joke about photocopying whats on the screen (with big monitor on the photocopy machine) Jul 10 16:10:33 qwerty12, you can't really get screenshots of xv. Jul 10 16:10:40 I know ;) Jul 10 16:10:45 I was taking the pee :) Jul 10 16:10:46 you will be able to soon :) Jul 10 16:10:54 * lcuk needs some Jul 10 16:11:08 qwerty12: thanks again... I've updated the bug with the information. The backport looks like it should be trivial Jul 10 16:11:14 i was just impressed at his inginuity Jul 10 16:11:23 lcuk: can't you simply read the framebuffer into a file? Jul 10 16:11:34 (/dev/fb2 iirc) Jul 10 16:11:38 back soon shit Jul 10 16:11:53 qwerty12: I reckon he's talking to you ;D Jul 10 16:12:11 snowmoon-work, great, thanks, sounds like this could be beneficial :) Jul 10 16:12:13 I hope he's not talking to me anyway! Jul 10 16:12:21 lardman, :P Jul 10 16:12:55 Nah, he'd be saying Big Shit then :P Jul 10 16:12:57 got to go, fix front door handle :( Jul 10 16:13:15 crashanddie: true, the upcoming products (eee) look very intriguing indeed. Jul 10 16:14:31 lcuk, he really wanted you to get the bug report eh Jul 10 16:14:44 konttori, not only that, but more than anything, the atom CPU is brand new Jul 10 16:14:50 thus, extremely problem prone Jul 10 16:15:48 well, I don't think intel will launch buggy processors. Jul 10 16:16:12 not buggy per se Jul 10 16:16:17 but as with all new generation of hardware Jul 10 16:16:21 better safe than sorry Jul 10 16:16:42 konttori: prism still seems like a problem looking for a solution, and a jump aboard the desktop-webapps bandwagon (Flex, Silverlight, JavaFX, Java 6u10/7) - but no more useful in the pure-web world of Firefox than a bookmark. Jul 10 16:16:52 Intel HAS launched buggy processors. Jul 10 16:17:15 the M was a dramatic experience Jul 10 16:17:19 theres bug in propably all processors today Jul 10 16:17:32 Jaffa: true Jul 10 16:17:55 bugs Jul 10 16:18:21 lcuk, btw, how did the deb packaging go? Jul 10 16:18:38 anyone have the link handy which listed the package version upgraded/replaced between chinook and diablo? Jul 10 16:19:09 snowmoon-work, http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/ - I presume you want 4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html and 4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_comparison.html Jul 10 16:19:11 afaik Jul 10 16:19:24 Oh, they are same file :) Jul 10 16:19:38 yep, that was the one Jul 10 16:21:02 qwerty, it didnt yet, crashanddie yes he did, and it worked, lardman|gone i could but thats not a file formatand ill just find something which works tonight Jul 10 16:21:13 back again later (and no i was saying shit about work) Jul 10 16:21:15 I'm having something strange with my net connection Jul 10 16:21:25 some stuff work but some don't Jul 10 16:21:31 lcuk, hard time keeping up answering to everyone ? :P Jul 10 16:21:31 konttori: I'd like for it to be dead exciting and a gateway to offline usage and so on, but it doesn't seem to give me anything apart from site-specific CSS and favicon... unless I've missed something on the roadmap. Jul 10 16:21:41 apt-get and wget do work, but easy_install doesn't Jul 10 16:22:00 also, the browser won't even start Jul 10 16:22:01 Jaffa: might be targeted for googlegears kind of usage Jul 10 16:22:07 I mean, in the SDK Jul 10 16:22:12 as, for that, it should be quite nice idea Jul 10 16:22:58 so, as to use browser provided sqlite and dhtml and javascript to actually make applications. Jul 10 16:23:24 for me, it sounds like it has potential, just needs a bit push. Jul 10 16:24:00 also, might work rather ok with flash front-ends as well. Jul 10 16:24:15 easy_install-2.5 gives me this error: Download error: (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution') -- Some packages may not be found! Jul 10 16:24:18 no crashanddie, but it feels like im running down a corridor shouting into everyones office Jul 10 16:24:56 lcuk, nice way of keeping fit Jul 10 16:25:10 * GeneralAntilles strings a rope across the hall at about ankle level. Jul 10 16:25:51 * lcuk leaps the rope and whilst grabbing for the lightshade swings round and boots GeneralAntilles in the head Jul 10 16:26:57 * lcuk climbs back down ties GeneralAntilles's shoelaces together and shoves an angry ferret in his shirt Jul 10 16:27:36 Garage releases are such a pain. Jul 10 16:27:41 anyway, enough violence for one day ive got work to finish here :D Jul 10 16:27:43 * crashanddie comes along, being bossy and all that, "BIRKETT ! HAVEN'T GOT ANYTHING ELSE TO DO ?" Jul 10 16:27:45 didn't Chinhook have an avahi implementation? Jul 10 16:27:56 Not bundled Jul 10 16:28:10 Install the rendezvous support package. Jul 10 16:28:13 I mean, at least it was installable... but I can't find it in Diablo Jul 10 16:28:43 Just add Chinook Extras to your catalog list. Jul 10 16:29:28 can Diablo install Chinook packages without much dependency problems? Jul 10 16:29:36 Sure Jul 10 16:29:42 The only major library change was libssl. Jul 10 16:29:50 Otherwise it's 99% compatible. Jul 10 16:29:54 crashanddie, you arent on the summit list again Jul 10 16:29:57 my icewm will not boot right Jul 10 16:30:06 and thats Mr Birkett to you Jul 10 16:30:08 lcuk, yeah, I figured it might happen Jul 10 16:30:19 lcuk: out of topic: did you guys get the yuv based framebuffer blitting working? Jul 10 16:30:27 (for all X apps) Jul 10 16:30:29 eh? The number of participants has dropped. Does someone not like crashanddie? Jul 10 16:30:32 it was never not working :) Jul 10 16:30:56 Jaffa, people who don't get the sponsorship are removed from the list (considering that, if they ask for the sponsorship, they shouldn't be able to come) Jul 10 16:30:58 Only 24 registrations. Even with the promise of Fremantle teasers Jul 10 16:31:01 ahhhh - no - not looked at replacing and doing a direct x11 driver Jul 10 16:31:24 crashanddie: ah, so your sponsorship was declined? :( Jul 10 16:31:25 back later Jul 10 16:31:29 Jaffa, yeah Jul 10 16:32:06 crashanddie: bummer Jul 10 16:32:12 Jaffa, I haven't done enough for Maemo in the past, and my work doesn't appear to be promising enough to entitle me for the sponsorship Jul 10 16:32:20 Jaffa, not a problem though, I'll be at the summit any how :P Jul 10 16:32:32 Question: how likely/unlikely is it that i could ever get an exe file to work on my n800? Jul 10 16:32:38 Hahaha Jul 10 16:32:42 churl, very unlikely Jul 10 16:32:47 thought so Jul 10 16:32:58 DOSBox. . . . Jul 10 16:33:00 but it's so tiny! Jul 10 16:33:02 crashanddie: what are you working on at the moment. Jul 10 16:33:05 Otherwise it's a fairly inane question. Jul 10 16:33:15 yeah, i had to ask Jul 10 16:33:37 thanks anyways ga Jul 10 16:33:51 what kind of fremantle teaser has been promised? Screenshots? Jul 10 16:34:16 konttori, at this very moment ? My 500th line of PHP of the day Jul 10 16:34:22 and I'm taking off, cheers Jul 10 16:34:53 konttori: nothing concrete Jul 10 16:35:00 konttori: fancy sharing some screenshots? ;-) Jul 10 16:35:09 Well, the PowerVR stuff has definitely been promised. Jul 10 16:35:11 bye Jul 10 16:35:20 What exactly that'll entail, who knows, but it's a decently strong indicator. Jul 10 16:35:22 :) Well, I'm on vacation, so I don't even have access to any shots. Jul 10 16:37:31 400 character limit on the Downloads change log is really painful. Jul 10 16:38:15 woo! creative abbreviations Jul 10 16:38:54 who needs wasteful spaces anyways Jul 10 16:39:11 :) Jul 10 16:39:42 peoplewillstillunderstandyouevenwithoutspaces Jul 10 16:39:53 CamelCase! Jul 10 16:40:14 kê??? Jul 10 16:40:20 Mhhm, web-based ssh keygen. Jul 10 16:40:25 GeneralAntilles: they actually promised PowerVR stuff? For the n810? Or what? Jul 10 16:41:03 towo: yeah, I saw that. Crazy. Jul 10 16:41:11 konttori, https://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia#Hardware_support_questions Jul 10 16:42:20 so, there will just be an answer whether we can get the drivers or not. Jul 10 16:43:15 judging from this bug the answer is no: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 Jul 10 16:43:17 BTW: agps issue seems to be solved. Jul 10 16:43:27 as it is available now Jul 10 16:43:31 Well, based on some of the talk from LinuxTag, and some of the stuff Quim's said elsewhere, I don't think the answer will relate to OMAP2 stuff. Jul 10 16:44:03 I think we can safely assume Nokia will definitely not provide 3D drivers for the N8x0 Jul 10 16:44:39 Jaffa: Quite a nice hoax, actually. Jul 10 16:44:53 So, Nokia has been hogging my N810 for six weeks now. Jul 10 16:45:05 Anybody still in for the return date pool? ;) Jul 10 16:52:03 Hi there Jul 10 16:52:48 GeneralAntilles: 400 character limit? You've obviously not used Twitter then ;) Jul 10 16:52:57 Screw Twitter. Jul 10 16:53:01 Who cares about that shit? :P Jul 10 16:53:23 :D. I only made an account to test out that twitter client I packaged :/ Jul 10 16:54:41 i made an account, but i've not quite gotten in tune with it yet. haha Jul 10 16:54:57 Someone break into garage and go here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsm/ :( Jul 10 16:55:08 bdsm? Jul 10 16:55:15 :p Jul 10 16:55:17 feeling horny? Jul 10 16:55:19 OUT. Jul 10 16:55:22 My brain! Jul 10 16:56:00 qwerty12: sometimes when looking at debian/rules I feel like watching bdsm Jul 10 16:56:25 hehe Jul 10 16:57:29 johnx: yeah, based on daniels comment, it does sound like it's not going to happen for n810. Jul 10 16:59:07 but given the fact that there's no definite 'no' I can guess that it'll be in N900 Jul 10 16:59:54 and we, today happy owners of N8xx, tomorrow will be like the owners of N770 today :-P Jul 10 17:00:14 only if we give up developing Jul 10 17:00:34 you can't develop a PowerVR driver without even having the chip specs Jul 10 17:00:44 talking about developing, I'm having troubles installing some python stuff Jul 10 17:00:53 actually using easy-install-2.5 Jul 10 17:00:57 in the SDK Jul 10 17:01:05 Xamusk, any other DNS problems? Jul 10 17:01:07 try wget Jul 10 17:01:14 wget works Jul 10 17:01:31 zap, I didn't mean the 3D driver. development has stopped for the 770, but it doesn't have to be that way for the n8x0 Jul 10 17:02:10 johnx: well, most active developers will be eager to buy a N8xx Jul 10 17:02:10 :) Jul 10 17:02:22 but I wouldn't know how to install the packages manually Jul 10 17:02:53 Xamusk, I was just asking to see if the DNS problem was just easy-install or other things too Jul 10 17:03:01 anyways, I'm off to bed now Jul 10 17:03:03 'night all Jul 10 17:03:06 no, apt-get and wget work Jul 10 17:03:18 night johnx Jul 10 17:03:24 Might also be that applications can remain compatible between n810 and n900 (or whatever) Jul 10 17:03:50 We better be getting a Fremantle release for the N8x0 Jul 10 17:03:57 bay all Jul 10 17:04:07 as there is supposed to be gtk, then it's safe to assume that there would not be that much standing in between having easily compilable versions for n810 and n900 of the same app Jul 10 17:04:32 Nokia already screwed up with the 770 once, if they do it again after specifically stating that every hardware release will get two software cycles. . . . Jul 10 17:04:37 GeneralAntilles: have you risen that as a question for the summit? Jul 10 17:05:06 konttori, no, seeing as how it was something that I pretty much assumed would be true. Jul 10 17:05:21 * zap wonders how much more developers got N8xx compared to N7xx Jul 10 17:05:28 A lot Jul 10 17:05:29 Ah. ok, good. I just assumed you were nervous. Jul 10 17:05:45 This made me a little nervous: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21717 Jul 10 17:05:46 zap: (*psst* it's 770, not N770) Jul 10 17:05:52 But I haven't listed to the audio yet. Jul 10 17:05:54 if nothing else, n810 had a lot more mem. Jul 10 17:06:05 Knirch: I'm sorry I offended your 770 :-P Jul 10 17:06:11 so, many apps that needed a lot of mem wouldn't run on 770 Jul 10 17:06:25 slap: no worries Jul 10 17:06:36 I hope N900 will get at least 256Mb RAM :) Jul 10 17:06:39 ^ Jul 10 17:06:48 256MB would put us over the threshold, I think. Jul 10 17:06:54 512MB would be even better Jul 10 17:06:56 but is unlikely Jul 10 17:06:56 well, nothing is certain until it has been stated so. Jul 10 17:07:05 especially considering that ever other OMAP3 device out there is 128MB. Jul 10 17:07:14 s/ever/every/ Jul 10 17:07:15 GeneralAntilles meant: especially considering that every other OMAP3 device out there is 128MB. Jul 10 17:08:35 http://www.archive.org/details/MaemoBogAtGuadec2008 Jul 10 17:13:07 konttori, that talk also seems to hint at more Fremantle stuff during the summit. Jul 10 17:13:43 I have to listen to it Jul 10 17:13:47 thanks Jul 10 17:13:58 quim is such an excellent guy Jul 10 17:15:02 rm_you, if you ever catch this message, in the next deb that is uploaded to extras, mind removing the .svn folders from \usr\share\icons\hicolor\40x40\apps\adv-backlight\ :) Jul 10 17:17:25 GeneralAntilles, compatability is such a misnomer. look at the problems migrating from chinook to diablo Jul 10 17:17:36 Eh, not many. Jul 10 17:17:44 Mostly the issue was Diablo Extras not being populated. . . . Jul 10 17:17:50 what - being left with no extras Jul 10 17:18:05 But you can using Chinook Extras without issue Jul 10 17:18:09 So that's pretty compatible. ;) Jul 10 17:18:37 but i wonder how you can improve things drastically and expect all older hardware to run Jul 10 17:18:43 things well Jul 10 17:20:03 we *know* qt is coming down the line. we *know* its pretty incompatible with current devices. we can either push the future and rave about omap 76 this and power that but there has to be casualties somewhere Jul 10 17:20:13 apparently the SDK isn't recognizing the internet connection Jul 10 17:20:53 having said that, in the same way there is a market still for lower spec phones, there will be a lasting market for 8x0 Jul 10 17:20:55 Qt is incompatible with current devices? Jul 10 17:21:13 Qt is AVAILABLE for current devices. Jul 10 17:21:14 qt at full tilt is pretty hardware intensive isnt it? Jul 10 17:21:19 Er Jul 10 17:21:25 Qt is just a GUI toolkit Jul 10 17:21:27 i know its available - why havent we seen any of the whizz bang items then? Jul 10 17:21:33 yer, but a heavy one Jul 10 17:21:36 What whizzbang? Jul 10 17:21:38 Uh Jul 10 17:22:28 qt4 runs quite well on the device. Jul 10 17:22:46 Heck, Qt apps feel snappier than GTK ones to me. Jul 10 17:22:50 it's missing some hildonization (like putting the menu to the right place - and fullscreen support) Jul 10 17:22:53 when we were at ltag trolltech were showing off some extremely fancy 3d stuff Jul 10 17:22:58 but otherwise they seem really nice. Jul 10 17:23:10 python bindings work really well too. Jul 10 17:23:12 That doesn't have a whole lot to do with the GUI toolkit. Jul 10 17:23:34 maybe the qt guys should also run the python bindings to be in the same package. Jul 10 17:23:34 the only reason I don't like Qt is their licensing Jul 10 17:23:36 they rock. Jul 10 17:23:39 ok, so we are ok running "simple" qt apps Jul 10 17:24:02 We aren't running Compiz. ;) Jul 10 17:24:03 mind you, im just going off what ive heard. i shall make myself more informed Jul 10 17:24:05 I would say that you can run as complex apps as you want Jul 10 17:24:39 you can install the full kde and then run any of the kde apps in maemo as well. (without having the kde running) Jul 10 17:25:16 lcuk, fancy interface effects don't have a lot to do with the GUI toolkit. Jul 10 17:25:21 but apps not designed for the platform suck eggs Jul 10 17:25:43 squashing a big monolithic desktop app into a constricted device feels wrong Jul 10 17:26:02 Nice to have the option, though. :D Jul 10 17:26:02 GeneralAntilles, i agree, but the whole point of using qt is that you can use the fancy effects Jul 10 17:26:09 Er, no. Jul 10 17:27:00 The point of using Qt is usually one of person preference. ;) Jul 10 17:28:28 hmmm, right ive just been to www.qt-apps.org (after doing a google search for qt) Jul 10 17:28:36 and the point of Nokia using Qt seems to be compatibility between S60 and Maemo. Jul 10 17:28:48 S60 uses Qt? Jul 10 17:28:51 huh, in my tablet, easy_install-2.5 is working, but not in the SDK, because it isn't recognizing the net connection Jul 10 17:28:53 Not yet. Jul 10 17:28:55 im looking on their popular list and i see a qt widget called pictureflow Jul 10 17:28:57 But moving forward, qwerty12. Jul 10 17:29:02 its in the top 3 Jul 10 17:29:04 Ah Jul 10 17:29:25 would that work well and show off our device to full potential? Jul 10 17:29:49 GeneralAntilles, do you know if Nokia will release Qt as LGPL now that it's acquired Trolltech? Jul 10 17:29:54 lol Jul 10 17:30:04 I don't think Nokia has figured out all the licensing yet. Jul 10 17:30:37 huh, ping won't work either Jul 10 17:30:58 somehow apt-get and wget are using the pc connection, but other stuff won't Jul 10 17:31:46 man, this scratchbox is a mess Jul 10 17:31:56 sounds like the regular scratchox resolve.onf thingy Jul 10 17:32:10 I think sometimes it's calling the host programs Jul 10 17:32:19 melmoth, ping won't ping IP's either Jul 10 17:32:38 that does not sounds like the regular scratchbox resolv.conf thingy :) Jul 10 17:32:41 ping 192.168.3.1 Jul 10 17:32:41 ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted Jul 10 17:32:56 Xamusk: need root for that, or suid-root that ping exec Jul 10 17:33:12 I'm still struggling to get root in the sdk Jul 10 17:33:18 you cannot Jul 10 17:33:22 you use fakeroot Jul 10 17:33:25 mhm Jul 10 17:33:29 no pinging from inside Jul 10 17:33:49 fakeroot ping 192.168.3.1 gives the same error Jul 10 17:34:03 why would ping not be allowed to regular user ? Jul 10 17:34:25 melmoth: because it requires raw packets Jul 10 17:34:38 and these allow you to make wonderful/crazy things with network Jul 10 17:34:41 like, haxx Jul 10 17:34:53 arp spoofing, dns poisoning, such funny stuff Jul 10 17:35:06 OMG my ping is setuid root :) Jul 10 17:35:43 fakeroot easy_install-2.5 pyserial won't work either Jul 10 17:36:40 ok, now it did... the resolv.conf thingy :) Jul 10 17:37:02 makes me wonder why on earth it's all so complicated Jul 10 17:37:27 indeed Jul 10 17:38:58 it's disencouraging for the task I have ahead of me Jul 10 17:40:19 well, everything starts with the first step... where's that python-cairo tutorial again? :D Jul 10 18:05:10 rtcomm, with the account-plugin-haze package installed, will not get any of my contacts from the server (YIM, AIM, or MSN). What do I need to do to get it to download them? Jul 10 18:40:37 lcuk: there is only qgraphicsview in qt that allows any interesting effects to be done. Otherwise qt is pretty on par with gtk (but obviously, the licensing is from nokia perspective really nice) Jul 10 18:41:29 and at the current level, I find the qgv a bit lacking in performance (when I've been running some code on the qt4 port that's available in garage). Jul 10 18:41:52 what a cool time to return, thanks konttori i think all this discussion earlier will make me look more Jul 10 18:41:53 same thing if I run on my mac mini. Jul 10 18:42:24 on mac mini, I can of course run opengl accelerated, so that makes a big difference on the performance levels. Jul 10 18:42:50 konttori, i wonder if an "alternative" backend could be made for qt Jul 10 18:43:19 sure, it's really easy to write alternative backend for the qgv. Jul 10 18:43:31 yer thats what i was thinking Jul 10 18:43:54 you basically just have to implement routines for drawing line, spline, pixmap, and so on. it's all nicely documented. Jul 10 18:44:15 but family needs first, ill no doubt speak with you again Jul 10 18:44:42 lcuk Are you at the summit? Jul 10 18:44:46 and sorry for vanishing - had to go drop off eldest Jul 10 18:44:51 i will be Jul 10 18:45:12 Be good to meet a fellow brit! I'll buy you a beer :) Jul 10 18:45:22 there will be lots of us there Jul 10 18:45:25 pints all around Jul 10 18:45:27 back sooooooooooooooon Jul 10 18:45:30 @D Jul 10 18:45:33 :D Jul 10 18:45:59 penguinbait your not a brit also are you? Jul 10 18:46:14 its "youngs luxury double chocalate stout" Jul 10 18:46:15 mmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 10 18:46:17 no Jul 10 18:46:28 you don't count then ;) Jul 10 18:46:29 just drink like one occaisionally :) Jul 10 18:46:37 ah cmon Jul 10 18:46:46 should be fun :D Jul 10 18:47:10 penguinbait, think you could put together a short (1-2 paragraph), easy-to-follow guide for your .debs for https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card and https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card ? Jul 10 18:48:56 I will see what I can do, but I am super busy at the moment Jul 10 18:49:15 and I am leaving for vacation next Friday, hence the super busy :) Jul 10 18:49:19 chocolate stout drinking ;) Jul 10 18:49:24 shhh Jul 10 18:49:59 I will be back into the swing when I get back from vacation about 8/2 Jul 10 18:50:16 I'm not so sure about your choice of drink, maybe I can sway you over to a Guinness or two? Jul 10 18:50:27 guiness, youngs, murphy's, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 10 18:50:41 anybody willing to compile maemo-mapper to diablo ? =) Jul 10 18:50:48 its all good, you should try it, its an english beer Jul 10 18:51:01 yougs oatmeal is also very tasty Jul 10 18:51:26 youngs that is Jul 10 18:51:50 murphy's irish stout is another favorite Jul 10 18:52:58 Guinness all the way, Murphy's is to tame Jul 10 18:53:36 hi, any maemo-mapper developer around? Jul 10 18:53:38 MoRpHeUz, just grab it from Chinook Extras Jul 10 18:53:42 murphy's is soooo smooth and tasty, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Jul 10 18:53:48 Gnuite doesn't frequent #maemo Jul 10 18:53:53 and he seems to be going inactive for a while Jul 10 18:53:55 maemo-mapper developer = GNUITE Jul 10 18:54:09 penguinbait: lol :D Jul 10 18:54:12 so I'm not sure if he'll ever get around putting it through autobuilder for Diablo. . . . Jul 10 18:55:26 henrique, MoRpHeUz, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21496 Jul 10 18:56:32 Be nice if somebody could pick up the maintenance until he gets back. Jul 10 18:57:54 yes Jul 10 18:58:26 So my rtcomm client, using account-plugin-haze, doesn't get the contacts from the server (in AIM, YIM, or MSN). What do I have to do to get it to do that? Jul 10 18:58:56 GeneralAntilles: hhmm....yep.. Jul 10 19:02:22 hmmmm is the RTcomm stuff for IM/SIP part of diablo? Jul 10 19:02:36 For SIP, Jabber and GTalk, yes. Jul 10 19:02:47 but not AIM/ICQ Jul 10 19:02:48 ? Jul 10 19:03:48 Not shipped with haze Jul 10 19:03:51 but you can install the plugin Jul 10 19:03:57 'k Jul 10 19:04:00 Either through the beta or the Collabora repository on gronmayer.com/it Jul 10 19:04:16 does diablo work with all chinook packages? Jul 10 19:05:19 99% compatible Jul 10 19:05:46 hmmm to flash or to not flash, that is the question Jul 10 19:05:57 Do it Jul 10 19:06:00 then tell me how it went Jul 10 19:06:01 :D Jul 10 19:06:18 the last beta of modest I tried was horrible compared to OSSO-mail and flashing means i loose that Jul 10 19:06:50 Just compile the svn. Jul 10 19:07:07 But Modest works fine here with .mac and gmail. Jul 10 19:07:24 no point unless I can figure out what was wrong with POP3s so I can verify it was fixed Jul 10 19:07:39 Seems most people are using imap Jul 10 19:08:26 So my rtcomm client, using account-plugin-haze, doesn't get the contacts from the server (in AIM, YIM, or MSN). What do I have to do to get it to do that? Jul 10 19:19:01 * lardman gives praise to the N800! Jul 10 19:19:17 n800 ftw :D Jul 10 19:19:18 larman: explain :D Jul 10 19:19:25 lardman :P Jul 10 19:19:28 JamieBennett: not explanation needed Jul 10 19:19:34 the spaced out sliders on the new adv-backlight thing is great Jul 10 19:19:34 for this you FAIL Jul 10 19:19:43 :P Jul 10 19:19:44 I thought I'd lost all the photos from Oz on a 2GB card, the N800 could read the card :) Jul 10 19:20:01 ds3: spaced out sliders? Why, you couldn't manage with 1/4 of a screen before? Y ou need 1/2 now? Jul 10 19:20:02 Os could a linux desktop? Jul 10 19:20:28 re Jul 10 19:20:48 Probably my desktop memory card reader is crap Jul 10 19:22:15 dmsuperman, it's an applet Jul 10 19:22:15 heh - a memory card reader shaped like a cowpat Jul 10 19:22:21 Why does it matter how much screen space it takes? Jul 10 19:22:24 it even moo's when you insert a card Jul 10 19:22:30 More screen space == more finger friendly. Jul 10 19:22:32 GeneralAntilles: I don't care, I agree Jul 10 19:22:36 * GeneralAntilles is so over itT. Jul 10 19:22:57 agreed entirely GeneralAntilles Jul 10 19:23:03 GeneralAntilles: I'm just saying...it really wasn't hard to control before so I don't know why it's that much of an improvement Jul 10 19:23:04 ooh about the finger thing Jul 10 19:23:08 dmsuperman: I like to use my fingers Jul 10 19:23:16 lcuk_away: not far off! :) Jul 10 19:23:20 lol Jul 10 19:23:24 I use the back of my small finger's fingernail Jul 10 19:23:28 The depths of stupidity that keep welling up there are rather incredible. Jul 10 19:23:30 More than the stylus most times Jul 10 19:23:39 Suddenly it's MicroB's fault that Apple filters UAs. . . . <_< Jul 10 19:23:42 the old one made it difficult to adjust just the volume or brightness with a finger...had to use the finger nail Jul 10 19:23:44 GeneralAntilles, i gather it comes in waves Jul 10 19:23:57 ds3: ah, you like fingertips Jul 10 19:24:07 ds3: I hate smudges, so I just use my fingernails anyway ;) Jul 10 19:24:12 dmsuperman: I try to keep my nails cut Jul 10 19:24:18 Haha Jul 10 19:24:21 ds3: that's why I flip my finger over Jul 10 19:24:22 ds3, have you seen my finger ui :D Jul 10 19:24:28 lol where is this going ? Jul 10 19:24:29 dmsuperman: I have a screen protector Jul 10 19:24:31 my nails are very short, I use the back of them Jul 10 19:24:34 dmsuperman, get yourself a screen protector. Jul 10 19:24:36 ds3: me too Jul 10 19:24:38 GeneralAntilles: got one Jul 10 19:24:38 Really reduces the smudging. Jul 10 19:24:43 I still hate smudges Jul 10 19:24:52 I've got one with great smudge protection Jul 10 19:24:59 but I'm very anal about my screens haha Jul 10 19:25:10 the N8x0 really needs a Composite out built in Jul 10 19:25:21 I actually use an iPhone screen protector Jul 10 19:25:26 I just cut off the extra button area Jul 10 19:25:32 the *worst* part about finger use is going back to stylus and feeling the stylus scratch its way along after catching a tiny bit of grit Jul 10 19:25:32 griffin makes it Jul 10 19:25:36 fits perfectly after I cut it Jul 10 19:25:47 lcuk_away: I know EXACTLY what yo umean Jul 10 19:25:51 well anything can be made to fit perfectly after you cut it Jul 10 19:25:57 i just use the ones for cameras from the dollar store Jul 10 19:26:03 i covered the back of my n810 with a plush deep pile carpet Jul 10 19:26:03 The built-in speaker on the N770 is very, very quiet when using VoIP under OS2008HE. Is there a fix for that ? Jul 10 19:26:05 thought you were away lcuk ;) Jul 10 19:26:17 i was Jul 10 19:26:19 JamieBennett: sshhh Jul 10 19:26:25 lol Jul 10 19:26:27 speaking of fitting perfectly, got home to front door handle not working, and had a puncture Jul 10 19:26:39 :D Jul 10 19:26:51 how did your door get a puncture? Jul 10 19:26:58 not funny, had to get a chap out with a long ladder to climb in the kitchen window Jul 10 19:27:05 lcuk_not_away: :p Jul 10 19:27:13 jeeesus, round here one of the lcoal scallies wouldv done it for us Jul 10 19:27:34 and they wouldv nicked the ladder afterwards Jul 10 19:27:38 lol, there is some scaffolding on the building, I was going to climb up and borrow a ladder Jul 10 19:28:03 heh lardman, i imagine you doin that sort of stuff all the time Jul 10 19:28:25 the amount of times you fly in and out of the chan its like you actually have a mini trampoline in your office Jul 10 19:28:27 I have that dodgy look don't I! :) Jul 10 19:28:28 superlardman? Jul 10 19:28:43 omg! Jul 10 19:28:46 it's a bird Jul 10 19:28:48 it's a plane! Jul 10 19:28:56 not quite, lardman reminds me of the xkcd guy Jul 10 19:29:02 with the hat Jul 10 19:29:09 ? Jul 10 19:29:13 lemme find it Jul 10 19:29:15 Bah, slow train. Stupid dead people Jul 10 19:29:25 heh Jul 10 19:30:20 aargh, why can't I download bloody maps! Jul 10 19:30:33 In the January 30, 2008 comic, his hat was taken by a woman, who is, to date, the only person ever to foil one of his schemes. On April 2, 2008, in a Russian submarine he managed to track down the woman and take his hat back.[51] As of June 6, 2008, they have entered a "relationship." Jul 10 19:30:40 because they're uncut? Jul 10 19:30:47 Jaffa, tie your victims to the train track you WONT be traveling on. :P Jul 10 19:31:42 *That*'s where I've been going wrong! It's so clear to me now! Jul 10 19:31:58 ah, that's better, think calm downloading thoughts... Jul 10 19:32:21 lardman, http://xkcd.com/405/ Jul 10 19:32:30 What's the URL to download more gigahertz for my CPU Jul 10 19:32:36 My PC is running bad :( Jul 10 19:32:48 Ahaha! GENIUS! http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=201435&postcount=41 Jul 10 19:32:56 MicroB updates to solve UA filtering Jul 10 19:32:56 lcuk: random :) Jul 10 19:33:06 Why didn't _I_ think of that?! I could be RICH! Jul 10 19:34:08 GeneralAntilles : it should also work better when there's no network connection is there or the remote site is down or changed their content. Jul 10 19:34:15 some rather demanding posts to the agps bug I see today Jul 10 19:34:20 are the users rising up Jul 10 19:34:27 Bastille day is approaching Jul 10 19:34:27 s/users/idiots/ Jul 10 19:35:15 heh Jul 10 19:36:08 And here is a GeneralAntilles xkcd http://xkcd.com/386/ :p Jul 10 19:36:09 * melmoth sing "ah ca ira ca ira ca ira" Jul 10 19:36:18 Hehe Jul 10 19:36:29 So true Jul 10 19:36:34 lardman :) the entire comic is amazing if you havent read any, try a few more Jul 10 19:37:07 xkcd owns Jul 10 19:37:11 ^ Jul 10 19:37:11 http://xkcd.com/150/ Jul 10 19:37:12 so does Ctrl Alt Del Jul 10 19:37:22 It's right up your alley, lardman. ;) Jul 10 19:37:24 Penny Arcade is alright Jul 10 19:37:32 Penny Arcade > Ctrl Alt Del Jul 10 19:37:36 (Actually I've got a patent on solving the second one but it's owned by IBM, and I left) Jul 10 19:37:41 The XKCD about the mom next door Jul 10 19:37:42 GeneralAntilles, they did that for real, or tried to - it was something like $20000 to do it Jul 10 19:37:44 rewriting packets real time Jul 10 19:37:46 is epic Jul 10 19:38:25 lcuk: http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/ Jul 10 19:38:27 econd bit; but it's owned by IBM and I left) Jul 10 19:38:57 jaffa was an IBM employee? Jul 10 19:39:06 :D heh jott yer - its only a tiny space though, it almost doesnt work Jul 10 19:39:33 jaffa was HAL in his last job. he would sit inside a box all day pissing off the employees Jul 10 19:39:48 I'm going to kill you, Dave Jul 10 19:40:19 I'm sorry dave, I can't let you print that. Jul 10 19:40:29 JamieBennett : yup, at Hursley Jul 10 19:41:04 Jaffa: ummm, Linux division or general employee? Jul 10 19:41:29 JamieBennett : Software Group, but not Linux Jul 10 19:42:19 Worked with IBM for their contract with ASDA. Wasn't impressed in the slighted but I hear the Linux side of things is a little more interesting Jul 10 19:43:10 little bobby tables :D http://xkcd.com/327/ Jul 10 19:43:52 :D Jul 10 19:44:49 So, how close to C# is Vala, or vice versa? Jul 10 19:45:23 Vala looks very close to C# which is very close to Java Jul 10 19:45:35 But I dunno C# that well Jul 10 19:45:42 I see MS have a Java->C# converter Jul 10 19:46:03 nor do I, but nothing like a little project to learn hey Jul 10 19:46:17 well c# is more of a framework with the .net stuff attached.. Jul 10 19:46:31 vala is just quite young ... Jul 10 19:46:53 I was wondering if I could run some Java code (like ZXing) through, convert it to C# and be nearly somewhere Jul 10 19:47:02 vala has the syntax, c# has the prebuilt library support Jul 10 19:47:23 can Vala talk to GStreamer yet? Jul 10 19:47:31 yeah should work Jul 10 19:47:54 Vala compiles to bytecode? Jul 10 19:48:11 native code I thought? Jul 10 19:48:15 lardman: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/vala/trunk/vapi/ Jul 10 19:48:22 vala converts to c Jul 10 19:48:27 jott: thanks Jul 10 19:48:44 there you can see which apis are currently officially supported Jul 10 19:48:51 http://live.gnome.org/Vala/ExternalBindings Jul 10 19:48:53 there are some more Jul 10 19:49:17 jott: really? it spits out C source? Jul 10 19:49:18 zap: (and hence produces native machine code) Jul 10 19:49:38 lardman: yes. as an intermediate step Jul 10 19:50:00 valac --ccode foo.vala Jul 10 19:50:01 vala is like original c++ Jul 10 19:50:05 hmm, that's interesting, means I could convert the ZXing library, then write the rest in C Jul 10 19:50:07 * lcuk perks Jul 10 19:50:21 I presume the C code will be typically cryptic though Jul 10 19:50:35 yeah just how generated looks ;) Jul 10 19:50:41 generated code Jul 10 19:51:03 still worth a 1/2 hour looking Jul 10 19:51:34 Will have to go back to Windows to use the great Microsoft's Java->C# tool though, so perhaps later Jul 10 19:52:33 do i need scratchbox to build a .deb or will any linux work? Jul 10 19:52:39 yuk 9mb of source? for the zxing thingy? Jul 10 19:53:06 lcuk: you should be able to create debs on the device with some minor hacks .. Jul 10 19:53:26 jott: yeah, I had a look through and had some real troubles finding the guts of the thing, lots of wrapping paper Jul 10 19:53:39 no jott, ive got some kind of alien linux running alongside windows now Jul 10 19:53:44 but its not got sb Jul 10 19:53:51 andLinux Jul 10 19:53:54 jott: would prefer to write my own (more interesting), but best to get something working to keep up the motivation Jul 10 19:54:10 lcuk: delete Windows Jul 10 19:54:31 lcuk: why not just use debian/ubuntu as they are officially supported?! Jul 10 19:54:35 if i delete windows how will i ever be able to run this java converter you have mentioned Jul 10 19:54:40 lol Jul 10 19:54:43 dual boot? Jul 10 19:54:45 lcuk: try to Install Linux on VMWare Jul 10 19:54:48 lcuk: wine? mono? ;) Jul 10 19:54:49 cant dual boot Jul 10 19:54:51 lcuk: To fix that you just do "deltree C:\*.* /y" Jul 10 19:54:56 more like duel boot from my experience Jul 10 19:54:57 got it on vmware and it sucks Jul 10 19:55:02 :D Jul 10 19:55:20 lcuk: ok. so try to install linux in another partition! :P Jul 10 19:55:24 lcuk: Or just burn the hard drive...that's probably the best way Jul 10 19:55:37 GNUton: hey will you push qt4 into diablo extras? Jul 10 19:55:37 lcuk: Once windows gets in there it's really hard to get the disease out Jul 10 19:55:55 you lot are so pro-choice :( why dont you accept that my choice of os is windows Jul 10 19:56:07 lcuk: best bet is to stick in a secondary HDD and install on there Jul 10 19:56:20 jott: Probably, Now i´m working hard to hildonize Qt. Jul 10 19:56:23 but i dont want to have to reboot to build a package Jul 10 19:56:34 lcuk: because we have functioning brains Jul 10 19:56:37 GNUton: how is it going? i still have some basic code for that.. Jul 10 19:56:42 no, you have to reboot to convert Java to C# ;) Jul 10 19:56:49 hmm this is interesting using pidgin on n00. Jul 10 19:56:49 dmsuperman, my brain works perfectly well Jul 10 19:56:57 lcuk: as you use windows Jul 10 19:57:10 what is the problem on having your scratchbox installed in a nice vmware vm ? Jul 10 19:57:29 s/n/n8 Jul 10 19:57:53 the mouse is fecked and i would have start a whole vmware just to click a build button Jul 10 19:57:59 jott: code? :) Jul 10 19:58:06 yeah! :) Jul 10 19:58:15 lcuk, talk to qwerty12 about andLinux. :P Jul 10 19:58:21 menu integration works quite ok Jul 10 19:58:25 GeneralAntilles, ive got it Jul 10 19:58:25 who talked about clicking on a build button ? ssh into it dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, and here you go. Jul 10 19:58:42 though i did not find time to wrap it all up.. Jul 10 19:58:51 jott: done, now I´m working on the Input method. Jul 10 19:58:53 i was asking if i needed SB to build a package Jul 10 19:59:21 going to be more easy with scratchbox. Jul 10 19:59:24 I´ve some problem with the focus of the QLineEdit with the echo setted to password. Jul 10 19:59:26 GNUton, have you got anything released? Jul 10 19:59:34 it is most probably needed for arch dependent binary package anyway Jul 10 19:59:35 no - but you need a fairly heavy debian deb-build environment Jul 10 20:00:12 is there a bash package,deb, for Diablo Jul 10 20:00:17 andLinux is ubuntu i think i can put most stuff on it - i could prob also get SB on, but it starts to baffle my mind having a VM inside a VM Jul 10 20:00:21 yigal, nitapps.com Jul 10 20:00:31 come on ssh installation! Jul 10 20:00:34 lcuk: the code is available in our repository. Jul 10 20:00:42 cool, wheres that gnuton Jul 10 20:00:53 scractchox is not really a vm as such. just a sort of chroot thingy Jul 10 20:01:02 and are you doing this as GPL Jul 10 20:01:17 lcuk: of course Jul 10 20:01:20 or dual license QT style Jul 10 20:01:32 GeneralAntilles: ty! Jul 10 20:01:37 lcuk: on a push for GPL now that you've joined the bandwagon? Jul 10 20:01:54 Hehe Jul 10 20:01:54 no lardman, just wondering about side issues Jul 10 20:02:24 :) Jul 10 20:02:40 community supported GPL qt interface is one thing but it also means that nokia themselves cant use it if i read everything correctly Jul 10 20:02:52 jott: if you want and if you have a bit of time you could help me to fix the Qt code... Jul 10 20:02:55 What the hell is SWiK it shows up at the top of 90% of my google searches these days and contains absolutely zero useful information. . . . Jul 10 20:03:27 GeneralAntilles, post a question in noob section of itT ;) Jul 10 20:03:38 "ive just done a google search and ive got a few questions" Jul 10 20:03:56 just for the hell of it :D Jul 10 20:03:56 GNUton: what's the problem? Jul 10 20:04:31 uhm, what's the "swap key"? Jul 10 20:04:38 GNUton: ah and mind updating the qgtkstyle package? my patch was commited for proper font support.. Jul 10 20:05:08 jott: Yes I know! :) Well done! :) Jul 10 20:05:22 Maketwo, the one that lets you switch applications. Jul 10 20:05:30 Where is it telling you to find the swap key? Jul 10 20:05:49 I'm going to update the os Jul 10 20:06:04 nokia internet tablet software update wizard says that Jul 10 20:06:15 Doesn't it have a picture? Jul 10 20:06:23 "Press and hold the swap key and switch on the device" No it doesn't have a picture Jul 10 20:06:33 Oh? Jul 10 20:06:39 Hrm, might be worth filing a bug on that one Jul 10 20:06:39 GNUton: hmm seeing patches applied to upstream qt4 in the svn.. wouldn't it be better to switch to git? Jul 10 20:06:51 Anyway, it's the two overlapping rectangles button on the front left of the front face. Jul 10 20:06:51 yup.. Jul 10 20:07:09 oh that one, thanks Jul 10 20:07:19 interesting, that was my first question on this channel Jul 10 20:07:21 the upper button on the left side of the screen Jul 10 20:07:43 jott: I´m using the garage tools.. :/ Jul 10 20:08:41 GNUton: yeah well it's no problem to push patch sets back to svn.. but imho it will make things easier if qt4.4.1 is out ;) Jul 10 20:09:34 zap, Maketwo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3437 Jul 10 20:10:02 :) Jul 10 20:10:06 might be something to ping x-fade.. git support in garage :> Jul 10 20:10:18 jott: Why will qt 4.4.1 make things easier? Jul 10 20:10:21 git.garage.maemo.org or so .. Jul 10 20:10:22 jott, bugzilla! Jul 10 20:10:45 GNUton: pulling the changes of qt4.4.1 back into the qt4.4.0-maemo branch Jul 10 20:11:20 GeneralAntilles: hm indeed.. later :) Jul 10 20:14:52 Yay, my genuine CA-100 has arrived. Hopefully, there'll be no melty with this one. Jul 10 20:15:16 What, $30 later? You'd hope not. ;) Jul 10 20:15:24 $20 Jul 10 20:15:45 Either way, much more than the $5 I paid for the first one. Jul 10 20:18:01 jott: I didn´t know of this new Qt release.. Jul 10 20:19:09 GNUton: this was just an example - it's just that git (or hg fwiw) will ease handling upstream changes.. Jul 10 20:19:52 and additionally make it easier to track maemo changes Jul 10 20:20:39 ~lart garage for being slow again Jul 10 20:20:40 * infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to garage, and goes postal for being slow again Jul 10 20:20:47 ah ok! :P I apologize I´m very tired and "multitasking" this night... Jul 10 20:21:40 jott: have you other interesting patch to add to hildonize Qt4? Jul 10 20:22:19 not yet just the menu.. Jul 10 20:22:32 i thought about wrapping some n8x0 specific stuff Jul 10 20:22:43 like controlling brightness/leds/etc.. Jul 10 20:23:34 i wonder what would be the top priority tasks besides menu and im... Jul 10 20:23:58 so rebuild searchbar? and some of the hildon slider stuff? Jul 10 20:24:16 Menu and IM are in shape... IM need a bit of fixes... Jul 10 20:24:36 No nothing of this stuff. Jul 10 20:26:08 * snowmoon-work loves kernel bug Jul 10 20:26:12 GNUton: where/how is the menu integrated? Jul 10 20:26:41 i inherited qmainwindow Jul 10 20:26:52 does anyone know about 'tap and hold' in gtkmm Jul 10 20:27:00 what where who? Jul 10 20:27:03 ah Jul 10 20:27:08 inherited in original sense Jul 10 20:27:17 * inherited goes back to bed Jul 10 20:28:16 qwerty12_N800: I found documentation from the kernel lists that wiring up set_robust_list while including a asm-generic/futex.h can be hung by any userland process Jul 10 20:29:20 snowmoon-work, ahh Jul 10 20:29:42 I think that neatly explains a NUMBER of issues with diablo Jul 10 20:30:04 jott: it´s integrated in QApplication::x11ClientMessage and in other classes... that I don´t remember at moment.. Jul 10 20:30:34 moo Jul 10 20:30:42 jott: If you are courios, you can checkout the code in SVN :P Jul 10 20:31:37 whazzup? Jul 10 20:31:54 GNUton: it's still pulling :P Jul 10 20:32:03 jott: :) Jul 10 20:32:10 ah Jul 10 20:32:21 * jott pokes around Jul 10 20:32:24 snowmoon-work, nice work, i'll be interested to see what comes of this :). Jul 10 20:32:34 d->globalMenu->exec(QPoint(91, 48)); <- hehe looks hacky :P Jul 10 20:33:15 qwerty12_N800: I'll be interested to see how nokia handles their first kernel update ;-) Jul 10 20:33:21 lemme guess... modest hangup bug? Jul 10 20:33:26 jott: :P Jul 10 20:33:52 hangs on futex with 100% cpu? Jul 10 20:34:13 jott: if you want you can change the source... they are public! Jul 10 20:34:16 RST38h: yep check out the docs https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3357#c19 Jul 10 20:34:27 snowmoon-work, i'll have to update rotation kernel deb :p. although, technicallly, this isn't my 1st diablo kernel update from nokia ;P. Jul 10 20:34:48 jott: or if you want you can send to me your patch. Jul 10 20:34:48 GNUton: yeah nice to see this Jul 10 20:35:00 jott: :) Jul 10 20:35:13 GNUton: you work fulltime on qt4-maemo now? Jul 10 20:35:20 anyways.. I'm signing off. I'll be online as brontide later if I can spare a few minutes Jul 10 20:35:20 jott: yeah Jul 10 20:35:32 nice Jul 10 20:35:36 * RST38h curses overly crufty nokia developers Jul 10 20:35:55 jott: by the way I´m alone :( and there are a lot of things to do.. Jul 10 20:36:05 (just in case) Jul 10 20:36:15 GNUton: might wrap up a roadmap? Jul 10 20:36:39 * Jaffa has an andLinux image with Scratchbox in it. Could generalise it for others, if wanted Jul 10 20:36:45 it's easier to contribute if goals are defined.. Jul 10 20:37:49 jott: basically I would like have QStyle, IM and Menues completed for the next month. Jul 10 20:38:22 Menues seems ok, but you are able to improve it, you are welcome. Jul 10 20:38:45 Now I´m working on the IM. And here there are a lot of bugs to fix. Jul 10 20:39:20 QGTKStyle basically is ok, but need other fixes as you know well. Jul 10 20:39:20 yeah right-click is missing too i guess.. the one gsoc kde guy did something in that area, right? Jul 10 20:39:52 GNUton: yeah.. hildon or better sapwood does not make it easy ;) Jul 10 20:40:29 Looks like simple launcher has been replaced: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-launch/ Jul 10 20:41:02 so it's not simple anymore? Jul 10 20:41:26 personal. darn, does that mean there will be a ton of configuration options? Jul 10 20:41:47 Q: How do you know your mother quit smoking ? Jul 10 20:41:55 A: She begs for cigarettes even more than before. Jul 10 20:41:58 tbh, simple-launcher lost its appeal after it stopped being updated Jul 10 20:42:03 haha Jul 10 20:42:38 :D Jul 10 20:43:40 * jott starts a qt4 build :O Jul 10 20:43:48 let's if it builds ;) Jul 10 20:44:57 jott: good luck! :) Jul 10 20:45:36 launch ./configure at least with this flash "-no-pch -hildon" Jul 10 20:46:04 and after run make && make install Jul 10 20:46:28 oh not with dpkg-buildpackage? Jul 10 20:46:40 jott: not yet, sorry. Jul 10 20:46:51 what's the problem? Jul 10 20:46:56 jott: there are some hunk to fix. Jul 10 21:03:51 GNUton: dpkg seems to build now.. Jul 10 21:04:14 does anyone know where to get dh_make on the tablet ? Jul 10 21:04:38 package dh-make doesn't exist, and I'm not sure it's in debhelper (confer http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/03/msg00364.html) Jul 10 21:05:22 On the tablet? Jul 10 21:05:41 Install the SDK repo Jul 10 21:05:44 crashanddie: http://packages.debian.org/sid/dh-make Jul 10 21:06:29 jott, is that a gentle way of telling me "compile it yourself" ? Jul 10 21:06:51 What did you do? Jul 10 21:06:58 jott: ? Jul 10 21:07:12 GNUton: removed the maemo patch and added -hildon to the rules Jul 10 21:07:25 if everything builds fine i can commit it.. Jul 10 21:09:31 there are some errors appling the debian patch to this code... Jul 10 21:09:38 patches Jul 10 21:09:42 jott: .. Jul 10 21:09:42 GNUton: compile errors? Jul 10 21:09:57 atleast all other patches applied Jul 10 21:10:10 mmm are ou sure? Jul 10 21:10:17 it currently builds at least ;) Jul 10 21:10:39 I know that it built... :P :) Jul 10 21:10:54 well with dpkg-buildpackage... Jul 10 21:11:24 i'll see if it breaks it should be easy to spot the problematic patches in the series Jul 10 21:13:15 GNUton: if it builds fine, it's ok to commit the changes, right? Jul 10 21:13:57 * jott is afk.. Jul 10 21:16:08 jott: ok, but it´s better if all patches are appied fine... Jul 10 21:16:40 crashanddie: are you trying to build package on device ? Jul 10 21:16:44 Hi ! Jul 10 21:17:21 khertan, I'm helping out lcuk Jul 10 21:17:23 Ho khertan Jul 10 21:17:32 What's the process of submitting packages to Extras for gregale? Jul 10 21:17:54 but if u found how to build package from device i'm interested :) Jul 10 21:18:24 khertan, :) hi, i used your packager last night but got completely lost in it all but somehow i have a .deb there Jul 10 21:18:46 but crashanddie and i are attempting to do this natively (i think) Jul 10 21:19:01 lcuk: yes but can't be used to upload to diablo extra Jul 10 21:19:14 why not? Jul 10 21:19:14 khertan, basically, you need dpkg-dev and dh-make Jul 10 21:19:19 as now package should be build by autobuilder Jul 10 21:19:30 lcuk, oh yeah, did I forget to say that ? Jul 10 21:19:38 :-° Jul 10 21:19:49 and pypackager don't make package with debian rules Jul 10 21:19:57 not a problem, whats the biggy with autobuilder? does it need ./configure or other things Jul 10 21:20:21 it s too complex ... and many tools haven't been port due to busybox Jul 10 21:20:30 it need a debian rules file Jul 10 21:20:39 lcuk, and I just provided that for ya :D Jul 10 21:20:42 :'( Jul 10 21:20:49 :D then Jul 10 21:20:57 this is why none of my application are available for diablo Jul 10 21:21:09 and won't be available once i found a solution Jul 10 21:21:12 khertan, get the dh-make package on your device Jul 10 21:21:22 and i ven't the time to found one now Jul 10 21:21:30 i'm sorry for user Jul 10 21:21:38 khertan, dh-make will create the debian structure, and all the files it need Jul 10 21:21:45 1 Jul 10 21:21:46 i know that feeling khertan. lots to do not enough time Jul 10 21:21:53 khertan, are you coming to the maemo summit? Jul 10 21:21:53 Sorry. Jul 10 21:22:00 lcuk: now ... i can't Jul 10 21:22:03 no Jul 10 21:22:07 s/now/no Jul 10 21:22:11 talking 'bout the Summit, I have to register... again Jul 10 21:22:12 :D Jul 10 21:22:14 aww shame, you provide inspiration :) Jul 10 21:22:23 khertan: ask xfade to allow binary packages in extras/nonfree Jul 10 21:22:43 RST38h: this is not a real solution Jul 10 21:22:43 binary packages can go in already, you just setup a makefile to extract the blob Jul 10 21:22:44 Hasn't that already been done? Jul 10 21:23:03 wasnt that the "workaround" Jul 10 21:23:24 cos canola cant go through the process as it stands can it Jul 10 21:23:40 Alhough crashanddie's right, using dh_make isn't too hard. Hell, even mud could help Jul 10 21:23:41 brb Jul 10 21:23:47 khertan: it is. binary package means you take responsibility for maintaining it when os upgrades Jul 10 21:24:21 lcuk: indeed, some of the INdT guys have been testing it, IIRC Jul 10 21:24:40 Jaffa: i cant check - away from home right now & until 28th Jul 10 21:24:51 RST38h, https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint2#Activity_log Jul 10 21:25:22 does gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup() work on Labels (which don't, I think, have gdk windows) Jul 10 21:25:42 khertan: why is it not a real solution? Because it's free s/w in a "non-free" section? Jul 10 21:25:48 Jaffa: remember that is for making package onboard Jul 10 21:25:49 GeneralAntilles: Application Catalog will stay as it is, or will be changed too? Jul 10 21:25:58 khertan, dh_make really gives you a basic structure to work with, editing the correct files isn't much of a hassle after that. And the makefile only needs to use $DESTDIR Jul 10 21:26:04 Jaffa: because source aren't in the repository :) Jul 10 21:26:07 khertan, can't ask for much more than that, can you ? Jul 10 21:26:26 Jaffa: X-Fade set up the non-free queue yesterday, but I have not tested it yet Jul 10 21:26:38 don't know the configuration either Jul 10 21:26:38 etrunko: ah, right. thanks Jul 10 21:26:46 :) Jul 10 21:26:54 guys, im goin offline. not sure if ill b back tonight. crashanddie thanks for help. others cya later Jul 10 21:27:06 khertan: yes but it is not reasonable to ask people autobuild it on a tablet... Jul 10 21:27:06 bye Jul 10 21:27:06 lcuk, oh, ok, take care Jul 10 21:27:12 i ll test to port dh_make and make a new package onboard application, but at this time i ven't the time to dev Jul 10 21:27:16 night lcuk Jul 10 21:27:18 khertan: if the source is in the repo, it's not unreasonable to ask that it can be used to build the package! Jul 10 21:27:26 RST38h: it is Jul 10 21:27:55 khertan: not really Jul 10 21:27:59 Jaffa: source is in the repo ... but there is no rules file. Jul 10 21:28:00 khertan: just use dh_make once to understand the structure then put a template in PyPackager Jul 10 21:28:21 Jaffa: the problem is on 'just' :) Jul 10 21:28:27 khertan: yes, that's my point - ppl can't build the deb Jul 10 21:28:41 Jaffa, question, autobuilder, does that mean we just send a tar with the sources and makefiles, and autobuilder takes care of building it ? Jul 10 21:28:57 crashanddie: yes, that's exactly it Jul 10 21:29:06 Jaffa: i think i ll do that ... but need to found time to do it ;) Jul 10 21:29:11 Jaffa, doesn't that mean that the server needs to have a shitload of packages installed ? Jul 10 21:29:18 No Jul 10 21:29:36 It starts from a clean slate and pulls the build depends from Extras. Jul 10 21:29:38 dependancy are specified. Jul 10 21:29:44 GNUton: the patches are applied fine. the only patch failed was 99_maemo_maxpath.diff and that is already applied in the svn. Jul 10 21:29:44 So you have to have all of your dependencies in Extras. Jul 10 21:29:46 ga: which part there is relevant? Jul 10 21:29:52 crashanddie: your package lists other packages it needs to build and they're sourced from SDK, Extras and Extras-deevel Jul 10 21:29:53 GNUton: still building fine :) Jul 10 21:30:01 oooh Jul 10 21:30:02 clever Jul 10 21:30:10 RST38h, the most recent from Niels. Jul 10 21:30:13 hum ... i ll go to sleep Jul 10 21:30:16 though, isn't this very CPU intensive ? Jul 10 21:30:17 bye Jul 10 21:30:30 you need the debian directory then Jul 10 21:30:32 see u later Jul 10 21:30:33 crashanddie, it's not our cycles, so who cares? :D Jul 10 21:30:46 in a ironic way that maemo.org is already on its kneeds 24/7, adding compilation times surely doesn't do it any good ? Jul 10 21:30:51 knees* Jul 10 21:31:01 The autobuilder machine is unrelated to the web hosting, I believe. Jul 10 21:31:11 ok Jul 10 21:31:19 We're getting a big server upgrade in a month or so, though. Jul 10 21:31:24 so, I can just start and push a shitload of stuff ? Jul 10 21:31:39 yep Jul 10 21:31:48 oO' Jul 10 21:31:55 * crashanddie lights a fag Jul 10 21:32:21 hohoho :P Jul 10 21:32:30 I'm going to write a little script :P Jul 10 21:32:33 netcat, libgee and vala at it already (oh, and cal) - all fine. (All with help from mud, too - but that's enough plugging) Jul 10 21:32:54 I'll tell that script which package I want Jul 10 21:33:07 and it'll just recursively start getting the sources from packages.debian.org Jul 10 21:33:10 jott: probably build fine, but are you sure that all the patches has been applied fine? Jul 10 21:33:13 and push them all to autobuilder :D Jul 10 21:33:14 cal, netcat and libgee all came directly frrom Debian and vim and vala from upstream tarballs Jul 10 21:33:34 personal launcher. YEAH! Jul 10 21:33:51 crashanddie: err, that already exists; http://mud-builder.garage.maem.org Jul 10 21:34:05 yeah, but that's not me who wrote it Jul 10 21:34:06 is it ? Jul 10 21:34:09 :D Jul 10 21:34:12 No. I did. Jul 10 21:34:18 patches welcome ;) Jul 10 21:34:28 Anyone know a good password manager? gpasman requires me to chmod 600 the file manually every now and then Jul 10 21:35:03 * lardman thinks one with iris recognition would be cool Jul 10 21:35:05 Hrm, should dropdowns with numbers be right-aligned? Jul 10 21:35:11 Something's making me think they should be Jul 10 21:35:18 but I can't find an example to remind myself. Jul 10 21:35:27 GeneralAntilles: decimal aligned Jul 10 21:35:29 GNUton: fine in the sense that they all applied - i do not know yet if they a) build fine b) interfere semantically with your work. Jul 10 21:35:37 GeneralAntilles: so right aligned for integers Jul 10 21:35:54 err Jaffa Jul 10 21:35:59 Jaffa, isn't that for personal use ? Jul 10 21:36:08 Thanks, lardman. Jul 10 21:36:30 Jaffa, I'm actually about pushing the stuff to extra's autobuilder Jul 10 21:36:36 GeneralAntilles: or did you want the official maemo spec position, in which case I've no idea :) Jul 10 21:37:21 GNUton: where the first would imply the latter ;) Jul 10 21:37:40 jott: ok, good test! :) It´s very late, I´ll go to sleep... Jul 10 21:37:42 crashanddie: yes, I know. The web page is slightly outdated with the auobuilder coming along. The code itself doesn't care tho. See also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design Jul 10 21:38:22 crashanddie: current version spits out binary debs for testing and source packages for upload to autobuilder. Jul 10 21:38:35 jott: have a good night! Jul 10 21:38:42 night all guys! Jul 10 21:38:43 GNUton: yeah good night we'll keep in touch. i probably can tell you if the build works tomorrow :) Jul 10 21:39:36 jott: :) ok you can use the forum or you can send me a mail, as you wish (gnuton AT gnuton.org) Jul 10 21:39:46 kk Jul 10 21:40:01 jott: :) thank you and good night! Jul 10 21:40:13 Doing some 1D array work in C, is it bad form to store the array length in the 1st element of the array? Jul 10 21:40:59 Jaffa, if I may just say something, I wouldn't be keen on having packages (source debian packages) coming from everywhere. I think we should stick with one release (say, debian etch stable ?), and not start using sid or whatever Jul 10 21:42:13 crashanddie: can you expand on your reasons? Jul 10 21:42:49 Well, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want my NIT to be bricked because of some unstable version Jul 10 21:44:56 lardman: thats ok Jul 10 21:44:57 crashanddie: that's what Extras-devel and promotion are for; no different to someone uploading svn HEAD of a project to Extras, is it? Or people writing crap s/w from scratch... Jul 10 21:44:59 crashanddie: etch does not really imply stable versions of packages, just a stable overall system Jul 10 21:45:40 and as maemo extras is completely off from etch it is really unrelated .. Jul 10 21:46:21 and sid packages can give much more stable versions.. Jul 10 21:46:51 I think that's debatable Jul 10 21:47:10 But I guess that extras-devel is some kind of safety net Jul 10 21:47:13 why? Jul 10 21:47:23 It's up to the packager to find the most suitable version. By *default* for a Debian source, mud goes for 'testing', but it's changeable Jul 10 21:47:28 i does not claim all sid packages are more stable Jul 10 21:47:46 but i claim etch contains unstable packages compared to the upstream projects Jul 10 21:48:14 unstable ? I don't know. Maybe versions that lack the most current features and improvements, but unstable... I doubt so Jul 10 21:48:44 are there any binaries for kde4 ? i saw a blog about tit Jul 10 21:48:44 crashanddie: unstable in the sense of "more bugs" Jul 10 22:02:01 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/adv-backlight-schedule-mockup.png Comments? Jul 10 22:02:09 It's missing a few parts, but as a basic overview. Jul 10 22:03:00 OK - I got gtk_widget_tap_and_hold_setup working fine on a button - now I need it to work on a label. Labels don't have windows so I created an hbox and put the label in that and then added the setup call to the hbox - but it ignores it Jul 10 22:03:53 GeneralAntilles: a scheduler? Jul 10 22:04:00 For adv-backlight Jul 10 22:05:54 y'know what would be cool is if there was a decent calendar app which you could use to schedule tasks through dbus or something to change the brightness, send an email, and make a cup of coffee Jul 10 22:06:41 nice idea though. but i wonder, wouldn't it be better to use a slider for the "To" value? Jul 10 22:07:13 Is there room for that? :P Jul 10 22:07:25 and I want people to be able to type in the value. Jul 10 22:10:27 zap: cool, means I can keep the same 1-based array indices of my MATLAB code too :) Jul 10 22:10:34 i'd be wondering "what on earth do all of these numbers mean?" Jul 10 22:10:46 but that's just me Jul 10 22:11:10 MangoFusion: mute the volume when you're in a meeting, etc Jul 10 22:11:36 GeoClue. Jul 10 22:12:01 Too bad it's still a bit immature on Maemo. Jul 10 22:12:05 i don't see a "When i'm in a meeting" option in that screenshot ;) Jul 10 22:12:06 indeed, we need an app though Jul 10 22:12:19 sulpd api would be good too Jul 10 22:12:28 s/sulpd/supld Jul 10 22:13:34 http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge pg40 - locale Jul 10 22:13:56 hmm, difficult url that one: "http://www.scribd.com/doc/2977103/Android-Developer-Challenge-winners?query2=Locale Android Developer Challenge" Jul 10 22:14:07 well - you've all been totally useless tonight :) Jul 10 22:14:17 I've had to resort to email!!! Jul 10 22:14:20 we try :) Jul 10 22:14:59 I did do some docs for the gtkmm guys Jul 10 22:15:11 nice apps. pity there's nothing real i can run them on. :( Jul 10 22:15:26 and sent them to gnome-c++ as per the instructions - no reply though Jul 10 22:15:36 I wasn't acting as an Android fanboy, we should have some cool apps like that too! Jul 10 22:15:37 Jul 10 22:15:52 OK - I'm done - g'night all... Jul 10 22:16:00 night lbt Jul 10 22:19:05 Anybody succeeded to resize that Yellow Notes applet? Jul 10 22:20:42 I'm hitting the sack too, night all Jul 10 22:22:50 hmm, su doesn't work so I have to ssh root@localhost ;-) Jul 10 22:23:42 ~rootaccess Jul 10 22:23:43 hmm... rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Jul 10 22:23:52 thanks Jul 10 22:30:23 is it possible to open multiple x terminals at the same time? I can't access the local tablet when I'm chatting on irc :) Jul 10 22:30:54 It supports tabs. . . . Jul 10 22:31:01 oh Jul 10 22:31:30 gotcha, thanks Jul 10 22:32:12 there's so much to learn. ^^ Jul 10 23:44:12 hey guys. whats about the screen rotation thing. did something change for diablo? Jul 10 23:45:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194 Jul 10 23:45:37 Google. . . . Jul 10 23:46:34 does a bluetooth mouse work for the n8x0 ? Jul 10 23:47:25 qos: and use the all new advanced-backlight instead of the old rotate-sb-plugin :) Jul 10 23:48:05 jott, an hour ago i made a new theme for it ;) Jul 10 23:48:31 42 icons are much :) Jul 10 23:48:39 No kidding. Jul 10 23:48:48 84 is even worse. ;) Jul 10 23:49:05 you did it twice? Jul 10 23:49:13 LCARS and the default set Jul 10 23:49:52 qos: where is your theme? if it's good we can integrate it in the next release ;) Jul 10 23:51:08 its a combination of the both original plugins... currently its on my desktop pc. and i am in my bed. ;) Jul 10 23:52:23 jott, do you remember that i did suggest you and icon for your own plugin? Jul 10 23:52:58 ah that was you :) Jul 10 23:53:11 perrin8100d: Jul 10 23:53:19 yeah ;) the 2 squares ... Jul 10 23:53:35 qos: i did not work on this stuff until last weekend.. Jul 10 23:54:20 does the new plugin also rotate the dpad? Jul 10 23:54:23 and now it ended in an all new shiny join with adv-backlight ;) Jul 10 23:54:27 yes Jul 10 23:54:34 might have to add an option for this Jul 10 23:54:52 Hardware key assignment is on the list. Jul 10 23:55:04 GeneralAntilles: d-pad rotation is already in ;) Jul 10 23:55:14 Oh? Jul 10 23:55:19 How do you switch it? Jul 10 23:55:29 you can't disable it atm Jul 10 23:55:37 you showed me the code for it ;) Jul 10 23:55:39 it just rotates the dpad according to the xrandr rotation Jul 10 23:55:56 which was much more elegant than mine ;) Jul 10 23:56:00 :P Jul 10 23:56:09 dpad changes brightness and volume levels over here. Jul 10 23:56:10 thats enought Jul 10 23:56:38 GeneralAntilles: no, the dpad in general.. if you rotate then up, down, left, right are remapped Jul 10 23:57:39 so you can scroll intuitively Jul 10 23:58:18 OH Jul 10 23:58:19 Right Jul 10 23:58:22 * GeneralAntilles is dumbass Jul 10 23:58:34 so, is there a central place to get the rotation? something like rotation.garage.maemo.org? so that everytime a new kernel gets released you can get the patched kernel there... Jul 10 23:58:36 I was thinking that press a dpad direction when the applet was open would rotate to that orientation. Jul 10 23:58:37 heh it was too intuitive to realize ;) Jul 10 23:58:38 Right, right. Jul 10 23:58:53 The best kind of intuitive! Jul 10 23:59:14 qos: might be an idea.. Jul 10 23:59:25 or just push the kernel to extras Jul 10 23:59:49 Everything should be pushed to Extras Jul 10 23:59:50 just have to think about a sane way to make it optional Jul 10 23:59:55 with maybe the kernel being in Extra-devel. Jul 11 00:00:02 probably a "Provides" would do the job.. Jul 11 00:00:38 GeneralAntilles: kernel could also be in regular extras if it is "solved the right way" (tm) Jul 11 00:00:56 Of course Jul 11 00:01:07 a "rotation-support" package would be pretty cool Jul 11 00:01:10 i guess just naming it differently and using the provides field allows it to be installed without breaking stuff Jul 11 00:01:59 * jott has yet to get himself access to the autobuilder ;) Jul 11 00:03:04 hmm if this "provides" works as i think it should, we could also push the xserver this way.. Jul 11 00:03:29 and then some rotation-support metapackaggggge.. Jul 11 00:03:34 arg keyboard :) Jul 11 00:03:45 It's cooler that way. ;) Jul 11 00:09:43 what does the kernel-diablo-flasher package? i guess it flashes my kernel, but how in detail? Jul 11 00:10:09 It's slightly mis-named. Jul 11 00:10:28 Flashing is handled by the fiasco-flasher on the device Jul 11 00:10:42 which is essentially a slightly slimmed down version of the regular Linux flasher. Jul 11 00:10:48 and invoked by the "flash-and-reboot" script Jul 11 00:11:02 which just takes the /usr/share/osso/images/zImage-diablo-200823 and calls the fiasco-flasher Jul 11 00:11:25 (and the initfs in the same dir) Jul 11 00:13:07 ahh, okay Jul 11 00:13:44 so, just a small reboot Jul 11 00:15:56 so, i am back Jul 11 00:16:36 great work, looks really great the new plugin Jul 11 00:17:53 by the way. there is still a fix for the icq problem missing, right? Jul 11 00:19:45 ... still no fix ... upps Jul 11 00:20:55 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199997#post199997 Jul 11 00:24:05 GeneralAntilles, ahhh a fix. but i was thinking about the latest pidgin Jul 11 00:24:24 talking of the flasher, presumably flashing a kernel to my cloned internal card is done the same way as flashing to, er, the flash ? Jul 11 00:24:47 the developer wrote in the garage project, that he is working on it Jul 11 00:25:10 Your card and the flash share the same kernel. Jul 11 00:25:26 aha. didn't think of that. no probs. Jul 11 00:26:31 fnordianslip: just pay attention when you invoke "flash-and-reboot" as this will overwrite your initfs Jul 11 00:26:51 Just use fiasco-flasher Jul 11 00:27:02 Leave flash-and-reboot for Nokia. Jul 11 00:27:29 ok. i've still gotta update scratchbox and build the kernel so no rush Jul 11 00:28:35 unless osmeone else fancies switching on support for AX.25 ? ;-) Jul 11 00:31:37 ax.25? woo this is still in use? Jul 11 00:32:28 prepare for the day after? ;) Jul 11 00:32:32 It's in use by amateur radio operators.. Jul 11 00:32:39 oh yes. i've just bought a new TNC this week, and have been writing some code for the Delay Tolerant Networking research Group's Bundling Protocol so run on AX.25. Jul 11 00:32:42 For standard packet radio Jul 11 00:32:57 yeah just haven't heared of people using it for years ;) Jul 11 00:33:14 There's still a pretty active packet radio network around the US. Jul 11 00:33:23 amazing ;) Jul 11 00:33:25 Er, maybe not terribly active, but pretty existant anyway. :P Jul 11 00:33:35 so maybe someone could turn on support in a kernel Jul 11 00:33:44 or I'll have to do it myself Jul 11 00:33:46 APRS has survived quite well. Jul 11 00:34:00 fnordianslip: wouldn't it be suffice to build the module? Jul 11 00:34:03 There is a lot of APRS traffic. Jul 11 00:34:16 perhaps? is that a good plan? Jul 11 00:34:26 is it enabled as a module? Jul 11 00:34:44 no there are almost no modules installed Jul 11 00:35:22 wouldn't the kernel config have to have it specifically enabled as a module Jul 11 00:35:40 yeah that too, but nokia does not really ship kernel modules Jul 11 00:36:08 fnordianslip: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html Jul 11 00:36:37 there you find how to build a module Jul 11 00:37:03 yeah the bit where i have to manually edit the .config file is the scarey bit Jul 11 00:37:12 use make menuconfig ;) Jul 11 00:37:22 or even make xconfig :p Jul 11 00:37:31 i tried that before in scratchbox Jul 11 00:37:42 why does the wiki say to edit it by hand? Jul 11 00:38:03 well some people like it this way as it seems.. Jul 11 00:38:08 and it's less text in the tutorial ;) Jul 11 00:38:29 and it's pretty straight forward anyway Jul 11 00:38:34 crashanddie, Jul 11 00:39:14 cool. will get hacking Jul 11 00:40:26 e.g. i like the textway more ,) Jul 11 00:40:47 qos: only problem is when you upgrade the kernel and you get new options ;) Jul 11 00:40:56 then you still have to use make oldconfig :) Jul 11 00:41:02 yeah, but it also says to use vi. fat chance! Jul 11 00:41:58 ok, i dont lie vi that much :) as long you come to an finish Jul 11 00:44:02 so, good night together Jul 11 01:04:46 hey folks Jul 11 01:08:02 would you guys suggest me to use a double buffer for speed reasons? Jul 11 01:08:07 I do draw a lot of polygons Jul 11 01:08:47 flickering is not a matter for me Jul 11 01:08:48 hrm, i know lcuk does graphics, but looks like he is asleep <_< Jul 11 01:09:17 lcuk would be a good guy to answer me =-) Jul 11 01:15:10 bah X-Fade isn't even here for me to ping Jul 11 01:18:27 anyway Jul 11 01:18:28 I'm out Jul 11 01:18:30 cheers everyone Jul 11 01:18:34 'night Jul 11 01:18:58 btw Jul 11 01:19:25 I'll try to release a preview of my graphic spectrum based on mic input Jul 11 01:19:28 (tomorrow) Jul 11 01:19:33 I'm not sure I'll be able to, but I'll try Jul 11 01:19:34 Oooh Jul 11 01:19:35 fun Jul 11 01:20:03 cheers Jul 11 01:20:06 crashanddie: oh did you take a looked at libvisual? or have i asked you that already? Jul 11 01:20:12 look Jul 11 01:20:45 jott, lol, you lucky I wanted to check something on my mouse's behaviour, or I wouldn't have opened the lid again Jul 11 01:20:55 oh well, last cigarette I gues Jul 11 01:20:57 +s Jul 11 01:21:13 jott, I don't think I've heard anything about libvisual Jul 11 01:21:40 it's sadly not in further development atm Jul 11 01:21:57 but it gives a nice framework for audio visualization Jul 11 01:22:22 i tried running it on the tablet and it seems to work.. Jul 11 01:22:44 the forums suggest using ssh roo@localhost (on nokia n800 /diablo) but it fails to log me in when i use 'rootme' password Jul 11 01:22:57 ssh root@localhost* Jul 11 01:22:58 ~rootaccess Jul 11 01:22:59 well, rootaccess is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Jul 11 01:23:51 jott, I'll have to look into it, but from what I'm reading, it seems quite heavy Jul 11 01:24:19 jott, I don't *need* the fourier engine, considering gstreamer already does that for me Jul 11 01:25:23 And I'd really want to prove that you can do a lot with this NIT when you use optimized code Jul 11 01:25:25 look at the nice example :) Jul 11 01:25:41 it runs some pretty heavy visualization fluently Jul 11 01:26:02 what example ? Jul 11 01:27:40 hold on Jul 11 01:30:24 visualization of mic input would be totally awesome :P Jul 11 01:30:35 :P Jul 11 01:30:39 really only see it as a a random toy, but hella fun :P Jul 11 01:30:49 would look neat sitting on a desk Jul 11 01:30:59 Random toys are good for making other people feel small with their crappy devices. :P Jul 11 01:31:05 well, ideally, I'd like to be able to choose different inputs Jul 11 01:31:07 especially if there was a big giant clock somewhere on the display still :) Jul 11 01:31:19 infobot : thanks Jul 11 01:31:20 pas de quoi, sin18 Jul 11 01:31:31 :( Jul 11 01:31:32 infobot : you speak french ? Awesome Jul 11 01:31:47 ~cookie GeneralAntilles Jul 11 01:31:54 Hey crashanddie, is Jul 11 01:32:11 ok Jul 11 01:32:15 lol, you break infobot? :P Jul 11 01:32:15 crashanddie: http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7581/foouf2.png Jul 11 01:32:16 Ha Jul 11 01:32:19 this runs super smooth Jul 11 01:32:25 and reacts to music Jul 11 01:32:43 hmm Jul 11 01:32:48 I'll have to look into it then Jul 11 01:33:00 but I just want to get my small stuff working Jul 11 01:33:05 sure Jul 11 01:33:18 I'll need to get a newer version of gstreamer online, shitty stuff like that which I really don't have time for Jul 11 01:33:28 plus it would appear libvisual is integrated into gstreamer Jul 11 01:33:36 which would be pure awesomeness in a can Jul 11 01:33:47 jott, thanks for the tip Jul 11 01:33:56 sure no problem.. did some work with it .. Jul 11 01:34:15 more on the desktop (pixelshader based stuff).. Jul 11 01:34:32 jott, I'd appreciate it if you could email me that stuff though Jul 11 01:34:35 crashanddie@gmail.com Jul 11 01:34:55 yeah i'll see if i can still find it.. Jul 11 01:34:59 was 1-2 years ago Jul 11 01:35:04 oh, ok Jul 11 01:35:05 or even longer.. who knows ;) Jul 11 01:35:10 well, don't bother if it's too much hassle Jul 11 01:35:12 AND DAMNIT Jul 11 01:35:25 MAPS KEEP FAILING TO DOWNLOAD Jul 11 01:35:37 servers down? Jul 11 01:35:40 They should ship everybody free DVD copies. Jul 11 01:35:51 Map of 296MB, fails at 280 Jul 11 01:35:54 *awesome* Jul 11 01:35:55 I've never managed to get it to download a whole map set successfully. Jul 11 01:36:13 crashanddie: atleast you can check the libvisual sources as there are some nice visualization algorithms in there Jul 11 01:36:24 jott, their website is down atm, only wiki is up Jul 11 01:36:28 yeah Jul 11 01:36:39 the main dev got his own company.. Jul 11 01:36:44 hmm, i guess people know of the recent nokia im client beta with gps support. i wonder, can something similar be put onto the tablets? Jul 11 01:36:48 so he has no more time.. :( Jul 11 01:37:00 understandably Jul 11 01:37:12 yeah Jul 11 01:38:00 anyway, thanks for giving me some more work jott :P Jul 11 01:38:09 hah my duty Jul 11 01:38:24 t_s_o: so people know where you are IMing them from? :P Jul 11 01:38:27 I'm off Jul 11 01:38:30 bye Jul 11 01:38:33 later Jul 11 01:38:42 something like that rm_you Jul 11 01:39:00 I imagine the conversation "dude... I'm on google maps right now, looking at your coordinates... Are you on the can ?" "err, well" "that's just gross" Jul 11 01:39:17 Ha Jul 11 01:39:27 One of the top 10 places to use your tablet? Jul 11 01:39:29 http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/chat Jul 11 01:39:52 that's about as discreet as the "splash" during a phone conversation Jul 11 01:40:56 this so reminds me so of the google epic 2014 Jul 11 01:41:10 it was quite funny when google actually announced android ;) Jul 11 01:41:49 http://idorosen.com/mirrors/robinsloan.com/epic/ for those of you not knowing it yet Jul 11 01:41:57 really nice ;) Jul 11 01:43:24 lol Jul 11 01:44:35 timeline might not be accurate ;) Jul 11 01:45:20 never heard of friendster >_> Jul 11 01:47:32 lol yeah we watched this in my Mass Media class :P Jul 11 01:49:36 actually it's epic 2015 i meant :P Jul 11 01:49:38 http://epic.makingithappen.co.uk/new-masterfs1.html Jul 11 01:49:56 where they integrated the location based services ;) Jul 11 01:52:23 lol, updated version <_< Jul 11 01:52:46 yeah thats the one we watched Jul 11 01:52:58 and i walked up and showed my professor what i was working on Jul 11 01:53:20 which was my n800 with GPS and wikimapia data Jul 11 01:53:26 lol Jul 11 01:53:29 and she was like "... ... ... ..." Jul 11 01:53:36 hehe Jul 11 01:54:06 all the people around me were like "WOAH" watching the video Jul 11 01:54:16 yeah really nicely done Jul 11 01:54:17 and i was like "oh, what a coincidence, i was just working on doing that" Jul 11 01:54:23 and not *too* far fetched ;) Jul 11 01:54:37 and then they were like "woah! ... ... nerd :P" Jul 11 01:54:41 hehe Jul 11 01:56:05 why is EVERYTHING on garage SOOOOOO slow Jul 11 01:56:13 It's awful, isn't it? Jul 11 01:56:16 links take like 45 seconds to load Jul 11 01:56:18 EVERYTHING Jul 11 01:56:22 Just do something else while it's doing things. :P Jul 11 01:56:28 just trying to edit tasks... >_> Jul 11 01:56:39 i want to see the tracker merged just so it won't be on garage anymore Jul 11 01:56:40 Stupid Finnish vacation interrupted our server upgrades. . . . Jul 11 01:56:44 Ha Jul 11 01:56:58 * GeneralAntilles wishes for bugzilla everytime I use tracker. Jul 11 01:57:00 so it wont take me 10 minutes to change the info on a bug Jul 11 01:57:21 If only andre and guenther would get back from freaking GUADEC we might be able to make some headway on that. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 11 02:59:56 2008