**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 13 02:59:57 2008 Jul 13 03:00:25 if your using diablo, the default place is /home/user/.modest Jul 13 03:00:58 it's not diablo, it's osso-mail in chinook Jul 13 03:00:58 t_s_o, no I am on chinook Jul 13 03:01:05 ah Jul 13 03:01:09 summatusmentis, I dont see osso-mail Jul 13 03:01:24 see osso-notes, osso_helo osso-sketch Jul 13 03:01:41 can you easily pastebin the output? Jul 13 03:02:22 http://pastebin.com/m428a6af8 Jul 13 03:03:28 eeeJZA: d'you mind pastebin'ing the output of ls -la /user/home/MyDocs? Jul 13 03:18:01 good night Jul 13 03:48:07 listen to the crickets Jul 13 03:56:31 peaceful. Jul 13 04:14:20 summatus|gone, u there Jul 13 04:15:33 summatus|gone, u got the pastebin? Jul 13 04:15:47 anyone here know where does n800 stores email Jul 13 04:16:04 no idea Jul 13 04:17:21 man diablo sucks Jul 13 04:17:46 well the way it is now Jul 13 04:17:53 :'( Jul 13 04:17:58 user_: What are you having problems with? Jul 13 04:18:52 Sucks? Jul 13 04:18:59 Diablo is amazing over here. Jul 13 04:19:27 mouser-, I am trying to find where does the email client store the emails Jul 13 04:19:34 the browser , email, app manager, sluggish overall Jul 13 04:19:54 Er Jul 13 04:20:02 You sure your internal card isn't corrupted? Jul 13 04:20:15 All of those things should be faster and more stable than their Chinook counterparts. Jul 13 04:20:22 If they aren't then there's something wrong with your system Jul 13 04:20:26 oh yeah, you already helped me out with that one :p Jul 13 04:20:29 and it sounds like a corrupt internal card. Jul 13 04:21:11 If you are, who who I think you are Jul 13 04:22:01 Cards can become corrupted more than once Jul 13 04:22:06 Do you have virtual memory on? Jul 13 04:22:15 I guess I have to send this back in Jul 13 04:22:35 yes, and I've recently format it Jul 13 04:22:48 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 13 04:22:55 * GeneralAntilles goes back to doing useful things. Jul 13 04:22:58 gps is also a pain Jul 13 04:23:42 Hopefully sending it in, will take care of the issues Jul 13 04:26:27 i've heard n810 GPS is kinda of lame, actually, though diablo supposedly made it way better with the use of agps? Jul 13 04:27:03 Er, well, not Diablo per se Jul 13 04:27:08 The A-GPS beta Jul 13 04:27:32 is a diablo thing, right ?+? Jul 13 04:27:34 >_> Jul 13 04:27:35 the GPS is good, btu the AGPS makes it much better Jul 13 04:27:41 when it doesn't completely BREAK Your GPS Jul 13 04:27:58 ? Jul 13 04:28:02 maybe it's more alpha then beta, then? Jul 13 04:28:08 I"D say that, yeah Jul 13 04:28:33 I had the agps deal on my 810, worked great, then I needed to reflash for other reasons, and the agps then broke my gps entirely Jul 13 04:28:39 so i had t to reflash to fix that Jul 13 04:28:52 screwes up the supldaemon somehow Jul 13 04:33:53 so how does a gps work? Jul 13 04:33:57 a-gps Jul 13 04:34:35 do I have to keep the agps app open? Jul 13 04:34:58 http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/agps-tablet Jul 13 04:36:57 Most awesome change log ever: agps-ui (0.10-1beta) unstable; urgency=low* New version Jul 13 04:37:19 Somebody should email that maintainer and tell them to get a clue. Jul 13 04:41:41 no Jul 13 04:41:58 what happens is it works in the backgroun, asking their server what sats should be visible at the current time of day Jul 13 04:42:01 hey general, is there a gps tracker app for 8x0? Jul 13 04:42:04 there's a UI for it to set your general loaction Jul 13 04:42:17 or anyone that would know Jul 13 04:42:20 this lets the gps chip know what sats to look for, rather than waititng to see ANY signal Jul 13 04:42:27 Er, Maemo Mapper? . . . Jul 13 04:42:55 yea, but I can't seem to have so it leaves a trail on the map Jul 13 04:43:06 Turn tracks back on. Jul 13 04:43:10 There's an option in the menu. Jul 13 04:43:15 oh nice Jul 13 04:43:26 Escape key may toggle it by default Jul 13 04:43:28 Don't remember. Jul 13 04:43:41 down on dpad for track i think Jul 13 04:44:45 Dpad has to do with orientation by default Jul 13 04:47:27 left and right on dpad are the keys to rotate Jul 13 04:47:38 hmm can't seem to find any option that specifies that Jul 13 04:47:46 you dont need more than 2 buttons to rotate Jul 13 04:48:05 you know the 810 has excellent word completion Jul 13 04:48:29 user_, settings. . . . Jul 13 04:48:36 Everything you need is in Maemo Mapper's settings. Jul 13 04:48:58 err, is the word completion stuff using a bayesian algorithm? Jul 13 04:49:01 sometimes i wonder Jul 13 04:49:38 all I have in settings is the unit and language, nothing else :/ Jul 13 04:50:37 rm_you, not sure but I have many devices with word completion ... and none come close to the 810 Jul 13 04:50:58 user_, what settings are you looking at? :\ Jul 13 04:51:08 810 is dead on for me 95% of the time, which is uncanny Jul 13 04:51:38 I like it when my N800 learns things like "motherfucker" and tries to suggest that for me later on. Jul 13 04:52:19 :P Jul 13 04:52:25 mine learned my passwords <_< Jul 13 04:52:44 yeah, kinda odd when you see that pop up in trext boxes Jul 13 04:52:47 since xterm doesnt mask them like the input thing expects Jul 13 04:52:56 "Hrmm, no, I don't want to tell them my password is fubar" Jul 13 04:54:08 Most awesome change log ever: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=819&action=view Jul 13 04:54:35 talk abotu detail overload! Jul 13 04:55:50 s/awesome/utterly useless/ Jul 13 04:55:51 GeneralAntilles meant: Most utterly useless change log ever: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=819&action=view Jul 13 04:56:00 hahah Jul 13 04:56:13 what kind of bot is that? Jul 13 04:56:22 an information bot :P Jul 13 04:56:29 I knew someone was gonna say that. Jul 13 04:56:54 eggdrop, mozbot, other? Jul 13 04:57:25 If I want to use the Diablo distro, do I specify diablo/tools or diablo/sdk as the distro? Jul 13 04:57:44 worked it Gen, thanks Jul 13 04:57:54 rob" tools, IIRC Jul 13 04:57:58 robink Jul 13 04:58:02 burnte: OK. Jul 13 04:58:23 now if can only get this GPS to work :p Jul 13 04:58:37 ~version Jul 13 04:58:38 version is probably Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy , or lsb_release -d Jul 13 04:58:42 ~info Jul 13 04:59:17 robink, both Jul 13 04:59:25 "diablo/sdk diablo/tools" Jul 13 05:00:04 GeneralAntilles: Ah. Jul 13 05:00:27 what's in sdk taht's valuable to msot folks? Jul 13 05:00:28 g Jul 13 05:03:01 In quotes in the Application Manager? Jul 13 05:03:06 No. Jul 13 05:03:09 I give up on the GPS for now :p Jul 13 05:04:26 There seems to be some overlap between sdk and tools Jul 13 05:05:07 Do I create two separate repo entries? Jul 13 05:05:20 If you want Jul 13 05:05:22 There's no need, though. Jul 13 05:05:52 Specifying 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' confuses apt-get. Jul 13 05:06:40 hey is there a way to install Opera on the 810 ... I may be wrong but I think Opera was used on 800? Jul 13 05:06:56 Opera was used for part of OS2007 Jul 13 05:06:59 It sucks, though. Jul 13 05:07:19 did it? Jul 13 05:07:35 I used it a _lot_ on OS2005-OS2007. Jul 13 05:07:38 Yes. Jul 13 05:07:51 I was using it on buddies pocket pc, and its awesome Jul 13 05:08:03 tabbed, fast, organized Jul 13 05:08:05 have you tried the fennec alphas from mozilla? Sucks compared to microb. Jul 13 05:08:08 speed wise Jul 13 05:08:17 Yeah, well, Opera 8.5 != Opera 9.5 Jul 13 05:08:25 I was pleasantly surprised how recent the gecko version is in microb Jul 13 05:08:52 It's Gecko 1.9 alpha 1 Jul 13 05:08:59 hopefully the tablet returns to Opera .... but doubt it Jul 13 05:09:05 I hope not Jul 13 05:09:06 GeneralAntilles: So I am supposed to put 'diablo/sdk diablo/tools' in the distro field of Application Manager (w/o quotes, of course)? Jul 13 05:09:15 Open source > Proprietary Jul 13 05:09:34 robink, I seem to remember that working, but you might as well just have two separate entries if it's not working for you. Jul 13 05:09:44 GeneralAntilles: OK Jul 13 05:09:50 burnte, svn is much closer to trunk. Jul 13 05:10:08 general, do you use Canola? Jul 13 05:10:15 It was _much_ better when Navi compiled it about a month before Diablo came out. Jul 13 05:10:21 Scrolling was like butter. Jul 13 05:10:38 If so, do you have gaps between tracks, during playback? Jul 13 05:10:40 There hasn't been a recent Diablo-compatible svn compile so far, though. Jul 13 05:10:49 user_, that's a DSP issue. Jul 13 05:11:03 sorry DSP means? Jul 13 05:11:07 Gapless playback is currently not a possibility with the DSP setup. Jul 13 05:11:14 The audio coprocessor. Jul 13 05:11:23 Hardware decoder for mp3s, basically. Jul 13 05:11:37 it shoudl be possible, it shoudl be about how the os feeds teh dsp data Jul 13 05:11:57 hardware decoding doesn't mean you can't have gapless, you jsut need to support the decoder properly Jul 13 05:11:58 ah, so I guess that wont be fixed until the next tablet then, I guess Jul 13 05:12:21 I'd guess eventually someone will grok the idea of caching data and keeping a solid stread fed to the decoder Jul 13 05:12:30 burnte, like I said, the issue is with the current DSP implementation. Jul 13 05:12:52 GeneralAntilles: I grasp that, my point is it's not terribly difficult to work around those hardware limits Jul 13 05:13:25 so there is a chance, if implemented properly, that we can get gapless playback? Jul 13 05:13:26 There was some detailed discussion on the issue on -developers or somewhere that might be worth digging up. Jul 13 05:13:31 user_, sure. Jul 13 05:13:39 I don't think it's a high-priority issue for Nokia, though. Jul 13 05:13:50 I download UKMP, and it seemed pretty gapless Jul 13 05:14:06 user_: Yeah, Apple finaly got around to a workaround for the ipod, but like GeneralAntilles said, Nokia doesn't see the 8x0 as primarily an mp3 player. :_) Jul 13 05:14:08 ah, thats too bad Jul 13 05:14:21 they should Jul 13 05:14:24 Pfft Jul 13 05:14:26 third party software could still address it, though Jul 13 05:14:27 Thanks, no. Jul 13 05:14:37 I'd rather have them focused on things like the browser, and UI. Jul 13 05:15:01 but I dont see why it cant be sort jack of all trades Jul 13 05:15:14 it can be, but nokia can only throw so many resources at development Jul 13 05:15:18 It is a jack of all trades Jul 13 05:15:21 just a master of none. Jul 13 05:15:24 I like the sound of this tablet better then iphone Jul 13 05:15:26 Resources aren't unlimited. Jul 13 05:15:34 and we'd rather nokia focus on the big stuff, let the OSS community come up with a gapless media player Jul 13 05:15:52 well its just one of those things Jul 13 05:16:02 if they fix it, would be awesome Jul 13 05:16:12 I'm interested in seeing where things will go with the significantly more open OMAP3. Jul 13 05:16:27 what's that, bud? Jul 13 05:16:38 We're crippled a lot by the fact that OMAP2 is so closed. Jul 13 05:16:42 the CPU Jul 13 05:16:47 ah Jul 13 05:16:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omap Jul 13 05:16:54 the processor Jul 13 05:17:10 yep. it'll be easier to access the 3d abilities, etc. Jul 13 05:17:21 The SoC, technically. Jul 13 05:17:24 why not have a sep gpu? Jul 13 05:17:32 power and cost Jul 13 05:17:40 So, the processor, memory controller, GPU, audio hardware, etc, etc Jul 13 05:17:46 the gpu integrated isn't bad, it's jsut hard to use thanks to the design. Jul 13 05:18:08 the next gen of the design is more open, as GeneralAntilles said Jul 13 05:18:09 Imagination Tech is really shitty about open source. Jul 13 05:20:25 well I'm outs for now Jul 13 05:20:32 nice talking to guys Jul 13 05:20:32 Hmm, I realized how I can have one entry for Diablo Jul 13 05:20:45 you* Jul 13 05:20:52 dist is 'diablo' and repositories is 'sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools- Jul 13 05:20:55 oops Jul 13 05:21:03 Ah, right. Jul 13 05:21:03 s/tools-/tools\/non-free/ Jul 13 05:21:07 * GeneralAntilles recalled incorrectly. Jul 13 05:23:25 * robink is running 'apt-get -o Dir::Cache::archives=/media/mmc2/.apt-cache-archive dist-upgrade' Jul 13 05:34:20 Gah, out of disk space Jul 13 05:37:18 Do I have to remove packages first? Jul 13 05:37:26 I don't want to re-flash. Jul 13 05:55:13 ...and it's bricked Jul 13 05:55:27 what's up there? Jul 13 05:56:01 robink, you do realize that the SDK repository stuff isn't really intended to be used on the device, right? Jul 13 05:56:10 GeneralAntilles: I did not know that. Jul 13 05:56:23 GeneralAntilles: I do now. Jul 13 05:56:43 * burnte refrains from pointing to scrollback, where he said tools only, and asking why someone else recommended SDK too... :) Jul 13 05:58:33 Well, there are things in the SDK repository that can be useful on the device. Jul 13 05:58:38 So it's not an invalid thing to install. Jul 13 05:58:48 true, but I'd recommend against it for msot users Jul 13 05:58:49 But dist-upgrading with it is a particularly bad plan. <_< Jul 13 05:59:00 Oh :-/ Jul 13 05:59:30 That probably installs gnutils Jul 13 05:59:39 Which is a nice fast-track to reboot loop land. Jul 13 06:18:35 Morning, all Jul 13 06:18:53 Hey, Jaffa. Jul 13 06:25:00 GeneralAntilles: LOL @ Er, it's designed to exactly imitate a fictional computer GUI in a scifi TV show, what in the world did you expect? <_< Jul 13 06:25:04 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16318&highlight=%22boot+logo%22&page=3 Jul 13 06:25:39 Ha Jul 13 06:26:33 conference paper idea.. "The Usability of the LCARS Interface from Star Trek"? :P Jul 13 06:26:45 sounds like a doctoral thesis to me! Jul 13 06:28:02 LCARS on the tablets has to be the coolest theme on any platform ever. Jul 13 06:28:11 I will admit it's pretty badass Jul 13 06:28:32 Nothing one could ever be seen in public with, of course. Jul 13 06:28:43 Everything right down to the small sound effects is just perfect. Jul 13 06:28:49 Kinda like how the latter seasons of Stargate used GP32 units for Carter's portable sensor units, and Atlantis used color Palm devices. Jul 13 06:29:25 of course, using an n810 on screen would make people wonder, "So, Nokia is still around making 810s in the twenty fourth century?" Jul 13 06:39:58 Hmm, odd. I'm getting "connection refused" when trying to SSH to my N810: sshd is running; it has a wifi connection; the IP address is correct. Jul 13 06:40:37 is it running and showing up in netstat -an? Jul 13 06:40:43 You pissed it off and now it doesn't want to talk to you. Jul 13 06:40:50 I'd start with flowers. Jul 13 06:41:24 .. and chocolate Jul 13 06:42:06 Stskeeps: yep, and listening on 0.0.0.0:22 Jul 13 06:42:18 odd Jul 13 06:42:44 Ah, there might be something wrong with the router. Jul 13 06:43:04 check with tcpdump the conn refused packet comes from the n810? Jul 13 06:43:51 Sorted by rebooting the wireless router Jul 13 07:20:50 maemo Jul 13 07:22:00 what's KDE? Jul 13 07:23:47 maemo Jul 13 07:24:16 omeam Jul 13 07:24:33 maemo Jul 13 07:24:39 We get really uncreative spammers around here. Jul 13 07:24:55 poor GeneralAntilles Jul 13 07:25:14 yeah, atleast they could spam some porn urls or something Jul 13 07:25:14 :P Jul 13 07:25:30 Stskeeps, www.google.com Jul 13 07:25:34 :P Jul 13 07:25:40 hehe Jul 13 07:37:15 Does A-GPS work yet? Jul 13 07:38:56 maemo Jul 13 07:39:22 Huh? Jul 13 07:39:24 Maemo Mapper? Jul 13 07:39:34 maemo Jul 13 07:39:59 what's KDE? Jul 13 07:40:18 maemo Jul 13 07:41:33 Gotta give it props for endurance Jul 13 07:41:38 maemo Jul 13 07:41:40 but damn is it uncreative and lame. Jul 13 07:41:50 poor GeneralAntilles Jul 13 07:41:53 Italodance, ever heard of google? Jul 13 07:42:16 GeneralAntilles sucks Jul 13 07:42:41 lol Jul 13 07:42:50 http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8&oe=utf8&q=what%27s+KDE%3F Jul 13 07:43:02 GeneralAntilles is a moron Jul 13 07:43:40 GeneralAntilles is it available for maemo? Jul 13 07:43:50 he is a moron Jul 13 07:43:52 dear god I hope not Jul 13 07:44:04 I can't imagine KDE being shoehorning into the maemo platform Jul 13 07:44:07 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=kde+for+maemo&btnG=Search Jul 13 07:44:15 burnte, it actually works fine. Jul 13 07:44:24 GeneralAntilles is a wanker Jul 13 07:44:29 that is truly amazing Jul 13 07:44:37 burnte sucks Jul 13 07:44:40 I mean, I like kde over gnome, but it's not svelte. Jul 13 07:44:49 burnte sucks Jul 13 07:45:11 is that a trollbot or something? Jul 13 07:45:41 If it is, it's about the most embarrassing trollbot I've ever seen. Jul 13 07:45:53 poor GeneralAntilles Jul 13 07:46:00 do you admit you're poor? Jul 13 07:46:18 it's like eliza, but with lame insults Jul 13 07:46:29 It's been at it for _months_ Jul 13 07:46:56 Luke, I am your father Jul 13 07:47:12 Look, you are a tosser Jul 13 07:47:21 lcuk sucks Jul 13 07:47:28 your mom sucks my cock Jul 13 07:47:47 did she take her false teeth out first? Jul 13 07:48:10 someone needs to bring out the banhammer. Jul 13 07:48:39 florian needs to put some new people on the access list. Jul 13 07:48:51 hes quite an enterprising troll, hes in a number of channels Jul 13 07:48:53 qwerty12: you go to fart Jul 13 07:48:57 far Jul 13 07:49:07 Yeah, qwerty12, go to fart! Jul 13 07:49:12 PARP Jul 13 07:49:20 Do not pass GO do not collect $200 Jul 13 07:49:28 OH NOEZ! Jul 13 07:50:18 qwerty12 is lame Jul 13 07:50:20 zontar, do you troll in the windows channel you are in as well? Jul 13 07:50:33 lcuk: shut up Jul 13 07:50:43 zontar, that's what not what I heard while I was gettin head Jul 13 07:51:07 (btw, I am sorry to anyone else if my comments offend) Jul 13 07:51:11 Yeah, lcuk, STFU! Jul 13 07:51:18 qwerty12: shut up Jul 13 07:51:26 nah, don't feel like it Jul 13 07:51:28 wait, are we getting on his nerve? Jul 13 07:51:37 in sontar a little touchy about his mom? Jul 13 07:51:43 awwwwww Jul 13 07:51:54 burnte is a moron Jul 13 07:51:55 look, man, it's not your fault she's friendly. Jul 13 07:51:55 I liked the touchy I was getting y/day Jul 13 07:52:16 if she wasn't friendly, we wouldn't have you, zontar! Jul 13 07:52:33 nice try, but you failed Jul 13 07:52:41 * robink looks for OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo. Jul 13 07:52:44 dunno about that, I laughed Jul 13 07:52:59 didn't I tell you to shut up Jul 13 07:53:07 robink: join in, we're tryint to make zontar cry Jul 13 07:53:09 it's like a sport Jul 13 07:53:18 bbl Jul 13 07:53:19 now I'll tell you, I don't give a fuck if you told me to shut up pussio Jul 13 07:53:26 hehe Jul 13 07:53:40 burnte: How do you make a bot cry? Jul 13 07:53:53 robink: bots don't cry Jul 13 07:53:57 kick it in it's bolts and nuts! Jul 13 07:54:02 er, its Jul 13 07:54:22 burnte can't even write Jul 13 07:54:33 qwerty12: you go to fart Jul 13 07:54:33 far Jul 13 07:54:40 yeah, it's hard to concentrate when you're mom is under my desk Jul 13 07:54:42 hypocrisy at it's best Jul 13 07:54:50 you go to fart too :-) Jul 13 07:54:58 burnte: burn in hell Jul 13 07:55:09 Yeah, qwerty12, STFU! Jul 13 07:55:10 right back atcha, babe! Jul 13 07:55:23 GeneralAntilles: correct Jul 13 07:55:28 Yeargh I can't play my OGG files! Jul 13 07:55:35 robink sucks Jul 13 07:55:41 zontar: The lack of OGG/Vorbis support in Diablo is your fault. Jul 13 07:56:22 Just put in kulve's repo with the distribution set to chinook. Jul 13 07:56:26 zontar, is this your lifes ambition then Jul 13 07:56:32 lcuk sucks Jul 13 07:56:41 you say that like it means something Jul 13 07:57:56 it means that you suck Jul 13 07:58:53 Yeah, lcuk sucks air after running a mile! Jul 13 07:58:54 im surprised you havent created your own trollbot Jul 13 07:59:21 me? run a mile? gen you are off your rocker Jul 13 08:00:11 I started at 10 and worked my way down. :P Jul 13 08:01:52 that's funny, zontar's mom started at the top adn worked her way down, too! Jul 13 08:06:56 anyone know of a good cheap phone to tether to an n800, I have blackberry which doesn't work consistantly and that is just unacceptable Jul 13 08:07:26 consistantly == can tether to a linux box as a modem for 10 minutes and then it dies Jul 13 08:07:55 maemo Jul 13 08:08:01 What provider? Jul 13 08:09:08 Will Maemo 5.0 require a N900? Jul 13 08:09:21 GeneralAntilles: tmobile, really slow but for emails it's still fine Jul 13 08:09:44 robink, shouldn't if Nokia sticks to their promises. Jul 13 08:10:07 GeneralAntilles: Huzzah. Jul 13 08:26:54 GeneralAntilles, wheres the document explaining lifetime Jul 13 08:27:03 lifecycles^ Jul 13 08:27:15 I don't know of anything off-hand. Jul 13 08:27:23 But they guaranteed two releases per tablet. Jul 13 08:27:34 chinook+diablo Jul 13 08:27:39 No Jul 13 08:27:42 Two real releases. Jul 13 08:27:43 sounds like 2 to me Jul 13 08:28:19 i.e., OS2007 and OS2008. Jul 13 08:28:44 Even if your Chinook+Diablo hypothesis held any water, that would still leave the N810W with only one release. ;) Jul 13 08:29:09 so if the new device is such a major technological advance they should sit on it and not release and get the best of it Jul 13 08:29:19 810w is not in the stores yet Jul 13 08:29:26 that could just as easily be dropped Jul 13 08:29:38 Er, what do you mean? Jul 13 08:29:47 can i buy an 810w? Jul 13 08:29:50 Just because you have to support old hardware doesn't mean you can have new features. Jul 13 08:30:00 It's on pre-order at a number of places. Jul 13 08:30:07 s/can/can't/ Jul 13 08:30:22 Apple seemed to manage just fine with Quartz Extreme. Jul 13 08:30:47 apple are a bad example, they throw away the old and in with the new often dont they Jul 13 08:30:58 instant stop on all dev for classic and move onto new stuff Jul 13 08:31:05 If by "old" you mean hardware from 2001. Jul 13 08:31:13 Does the N810 WiMax edition work with Clearwire's network? Jul 13 08:31:21 now its old, but at the time it wasnt Jul 13 08:31:34 Uh Jul 13 08:31:41 Yeah, things are old once they're old. Jul 13 08:32:03 Leopard drops support for G4 CPUs less than 867MHz or with less than 512MB of RAM. Jul 13 08:32:06 That's 2001. Jul 13 08:32:11 and the 8x0 will struggle to keep up with its super sibling Jul 13 08:32:29 Your point? Jul 13 08:33:07 noone will see it as an upgrade if it makes device slooooow its not like a pc where you can upgrade the graphics card etc Jul 13 08:33:17 well - i might be wrong there Jul 13 08:33:22 if i am forget everything ;) Jul 13 08:33:24 * GeneralAntilles sighs. Jul 13 08:33:34 This is too inane a discussion for this early in the morning. Jul 13 08:33:36 I'm sorry. Jul 13 08:33:44 i agree, sorry Jul 13 08:34:07 i just thought there was a list of release stuff and roadmap Jul 13 08:34:21 Roadmap is a 100 days task. Jul 13 08:34:47 moo, gentlemen Jul 13 08:35:45 http://gentlemen.creosotehill.org Jul 13 08:36:59 whos up for bacon? Jul 13 08:37:22 huh? Jul 13 08:37:45 its sunday morning, bacon on toast and a brew is perfect Jul 13 08:37:52 back later Jul 13 09:26:23 how do i make a patch with diff? Jul 13 09:26:32 does it just automagically work? Jul 13 09:26:47 diff file1 file2 > whatever.patch Jul 13 09:26:57 srsly? Jul 13 09:26:59 Yeah Jul 13 09:27:06 it doesn't look like the patches i normally see >_> Jul 13 09:27:17 try with -urN switch Jul 13 09:27:35 there we go Jul 13 09:27:38 thanks qwerty12 Jul 13 09:28:02 np Jul 13 09:28:05 * qwerty12 thanks johnx for giving me those switches) Jul 13 09:28:20 * robink needs to learn diff, as he's been spoiled rotten by SCMs. Jul 13 09:28:43 atm, I'm applying patches by hand (again >.<) Jul 13 09:29:13 qwerty12: Someone else's patches, or your own? Jul 13 09:29:39 Someone else's, I'm using the xchat 2.8.4 patches to hildonise 2.8.6 Jul 13 09:29:53 There's no SCM for that? Jul 13 09:29:56 With Git it'd be easy. Jul 13 09:30:43 No idea, I got them from svn and there is a quilt patch series file but I don't know about quilt much and lots of them aren't applying cleanly. Jul 13 09:30:49 Oh, bummer Jul 13 09:31:27 Only 14 more patches to go :) Jul 13 09:31:34 Eek Jul 13 09:31:44 what are you patching? Jul 13 09:31:47 timely: xchat Jul 13 09:32:20 Will ogg support be reintroduced into the Diablo package repository? Jul 13 09:33:06 Was it ever in extras? Jul 13 09:33:22 qwerty12: It was either in extras or the standard maemo repository for Chinook, not sure. Jul 13 09:33:23 ask the repo searcher :) Jul 13 09:33:36 robink: it's highly unlikely it was in standard Jul 13 09:33:41 given that the lawyers have issues w/ it Jul 13 09:33:47 robink, ahh, I just thought it was only in kulve's repo. Jul 13 09:33:48 or seem to have issues Jul 13 09:34:16 (you can't get official statements from lawyers) Jul 13 09:34:32 anyone else tried the newer modest version? Jul 13 09:34:42 timely: What legal issues are there w/ OGG? Jul 13 09:34:45 qwerty12: Nope. Jul 13 09:34:56 robink: as i said, you can't get lawyers to speak :) Jul 13 09:35:08 but the general understanding is that ogg is blocked by lawyers :) Jul 13 09:35:09 [chinook package] Jul 13 09:35:23 * aquatix is looking for the modest weeklies Jul 13 09:35:36 robink: google should be able to explain their skittishness Jul 13 09:37:36 mplayer is gone too :( Jul 13 09:38:43 So is theora Jul 13 09:38:50 konttori, mtp is horrible :P Jul 13 09:39:21 :/ Jul 13 09:39:30 robink, the packager for mplayer is on vacation. Jul 13 09:39:40 can grab most packages that aren't available for diablo yet by adding the chinook extras repo Jul 13 09:39:40 You can pull whatever you need from Chinook Extras. Jul 13 09:39:49 ^^^ Jul 13 09:40:03 GeneralAntilles: applied daperl's patch from the forms... checking it out Jul 13 09:40:07 guys, do i need putty on my linux laptop to connect to a ssh shell? Jul 13 09:40:12 ... Jul 13 09:40:15 lcuk: use ssh Jul 13 09:40:17 lol Jul 13 09:40:18 lol Jul 13 09:40:18 oh yeah Jul 13 09:40:20 lcuk2, many clients Jul 13 09:40:31 yer that just does a single command Jul 13 09:40:42 Um no Jul 13 09:40:43 lcuk2: ssh user@host Jul 13 09:40:45 lcuk, ssh shell == "secure shell shell" :P Jul 13 09:40:48 then run commands Jul 13 09:41:10 ahhh i always use ssh user@host "command" Jul 13 09:41:23 you are always very odd :P Jul 13 09:41:31 * qwerty12 is surprised that ubuntu only distribute the gtk1 version. Even for my half arsed compile of putty for the tablets, I used gtk 2. Jul 13 09:41:42 feck off im trying to actually do it right Jul 13 09:41:48 Ha Jul 13 09:41:53 lcuk2: just poking fun :P Jul 13 09:42:01 i still dont understand putty for tablets >_> they have ssh natively Jul 13 09:42:04 then dont poke it there Jul 13 09:42:06 lcuk2, if we couldn't razz the Windows users our world would be empty and meaningless. :P Jul 13 09:42:26 yeah Jul 13 09:42:28 it is anyway :p Jul 13 09:42:46 wooot anyway im in thank you Jul 13 09:42:51 linux users and mac users battle it out, and windows users are the common prey :P Jul 13 09:43:24 lol what asbout bsd Jul 13 09:43:30 or is that dead Jul 13 09:43:34 what about bsd? :P Jul 13 09:43:36 bsd rocks Jul 13 09:43:42 BSD = Bull Shit Distro :P Jul 13 09:43:43 * aquatix looks around at his boxes Jul 13 09:43:49 only not on my machines ;) Jul 13 09:43:53 BSD is above the squabbling :P they just sit and look down on us battling it out Jul 13 09:43:54 s/Linux/*nix/ Jul 13 09:43:56 and sip their beer Jul 13 09:44:00 rm_you: :) Jul 13 09:44:00 lol Jul 13 09:44:00 * robink wants to understand how OSX works so he can know whether or not to hate it. Jul 13 09:44:09 s/OSX/OS X/ Jul 13 09:44:18 GeneralAntilles: pft. OSX :P Jul 13 09:44:20 robink, it's FreeBSD with lots of proprietary stuff on top. Jul 13 09:44:22 I want OS XXX Jul 13 09:44:23 s/\ /\\\ / Jul 13 09:44:30 I'm with qwerty Jul 13 09:44:36 yeah Jul 13 09:44:36 rm_you, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSX Jul 13 09:44:39 * lcuk2 gives general another medal for pedantry Jul 13 09:44:40 Nope, sorry. Jul 13 09:44:43 robink: hmm. My impression: if you want to understand how it works, then OS X is not for you ;) Jul 13 09:44:43 GeneralAntilles: It doesn't use the BSD kernel, does it? I thought it was XNU on Mach. Jul 13 09:45:01 GeneralAntilles: my point was that I'll call it whatever I want :P Jul 13 09:45:08 `the' bsd kernel? Jul 13 09:45:10 robink: it's not so easy to get under the hood of it as it is in for example Linux. Jul 13 09:45:18 rm_you, how's your linucks partition these days? Jul 13 09:45:25 Veggen: Ah Jul 13 09:45:25 running well :P Jul 13 09:45:33 Veggen, I'd disagree with that assessment. Jul 13 09:45:40 It's *nix "under the hood" Jul 13 09:45:57 GeneralAntilles: XNU is UNIX? Jul 13 09:45:59 yer but its got a turtleneck sweater covering it Jul 13 09:46:02 I know the userland is BSD Jul 13 09:46:08 mmmm kinda want to call it OSeX, but that might not be an insult >_> Jul 13 09:46:13 GA: well, true. but there's a huge layer on top of that that isn't meant to poke through. Jul 13 09:46:31 I thought Darwin was BSD based, yes Jul 13 09:46:44 BSD uses XNU? Jul 13 09:46:55 robink, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Description Jul 13 09:47:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU Jul 13 09:47:48 Oh, XNU is BSD on Mach. Jul 13 09:48:38 gawd, 197 updates and a restart required. its like windows Jul 13 09:48:52 * GeneralAntilles eyeroll Jul 13 09:49:05 lol Jul 13 09:49:09 restart required is bull Jul 13 09:49:11 lcuk2, I had to go through 249 :P Jul 13 09:49:19 that's only so you load the new kernel probably Jul 13 09:49:26 well thats ubuntu tellin me that Jul 13 09:49:36 I'd agree with aquatix Jul 13 09:49:40 I've got a bunch of updates I need to install. . . . Jul 13 09:49:40 myeah, ubuntu can tell me more Jul 13 09:50:01 its not bull, its to save the user from runnin command line Jul 13 09:50:16 lcuk2: to load the new kernel? Jul 13 09:50:35 i only get it when a kernel component is updated Jul 13 09:50:40 probably, but what do i know im a windows sheep Jul 13 09:50:44 * lcuk2 baaaas Jul 13 09:50:45 services get restarted automatically Jul 13 09:51:00 yer i know Jul 13 09:51:02 * aquatix plays some netgame Jul 13 09:51:12 say, where can i find those modest weeklies? Jul 13 09:51:20 are they still being created? Jul 13 09:51:44 lcuk2: yeah, restart is never required unless it's a new kernel >_> Jul 13 09:52:04 lcuk2: though, i think there is actually a way to pivot in a new kernel? I was looking into that a while back Jul 13 09:52:13 well you tell u-fluffin-buntu that cos it told me to restart Jul 13 09:52:22 rm_you, kexec? Jul 13 09:52:24 cause i didn't want to lose my uptime but i needed a new kernel feature :P Jul 13 09:52:38 yeah, ubuntu is designed for windoze sheep :) Jul 13 09:52:40 lol Jul 13 09:52:59 well my uptime will be lost, how will i ever manage to break 45 minutes again Jul 13 09:53:26 yay, my home server broke 150 days of uptime today Jul 13 09:53:28 aquatix, no, they're not being compiled weekly for Diablo Jul 13 09:53:33 Yet, anyway. Jul 13 09:53:36 GeneralAntilles: hm :( Jul 13 09:53:37 Meh, the migration feature of 8.04 is dodgy. I tell it to copy my internet explorer (which I never use btw) and firefox settings into the ubuntu firefox. It copies the internet explorer stuff but not the firefox stuff. Jul 13 09:53:42 svn is available, though. Jul 13 09:53:48 johnx compiled it a few days ago with good results. Jul 13 09:54:05 i did the install on the site, which installed some newer stuff, but failed on the modest v24 package itself Jul 13 09:54:07 svn on device? Jul 13 09:54:53 lcuk2, the svn of Modest. Jul 13 09:54:56 maybe i should install the SDK and try svn Jul 13 09:55:08 i realised Jul 13 09:55:11 just Jul 13 09:55:11 theres a 770 in harold and kumar 2 (movie), but they call it 7710 [/tabletspotting] Jul 13 09:55:16 any of you use svn on maemo? Jul 13 09:55:22 i get errors about lock files iirc Jul 13 09:55:30 aquatix yes Jul 13 09:55:36 i have no problems Jul 13 09:55:39 odd Jul 13 09:55:53 rights issue on user ? Jul 13 09:55:53 in main mem, or on mmc? Jul 13 09:56:14 * aquatix tries again Jul 13 09:56:16 mmc1 its ummmmm something2 fs Jul 13 09:56:25 didn't try it on diablo yet Jul 13 09:56:26 ext2 Jul 13 09:56:28 ext2? Jul 13 09:56:30 ah, k Jul 13 09:56:34 still have fat on it Jul 13 09:56:56 fat has no perms maybe svn tries setting rights Jul 13 09:57:02 does ext2 work out-of-the-box or do i need a module for it? Jul 13 09:57:09 yeah, i know Jul 13 09:57:15 that's why i asked ;) Jul 13 09:57:22 i think it just worked Jul 13 09:57:24 It works out of the box. Jul 13 09:57:27 aquatix, there's the needed modules in /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current (mbcache and ext2) Jul 13 09:57:28 cool Jul 13 09:57:29 modules are in the initfs Jul 13 09:57:47 so, just format it and change in fstab? Jul 13 09:57:49 if not its not tough (cant be if im using it) Jul 13 09:58:04 https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card Jul 13 09:58:10 GeneralAntilles: thanks Jul 13 09:58:15 going to read that Jul 13 09:59:02 this laptop is hot Jul 13 09:59:14 hm, i don't need a fat partition i'd say? Jul 13 09:59:36 i didnt i use ssh for access Jul 13 09:59:48 only need fat for usb and windows Jul 13 09:59:59 Kinda nice to have for swap from the GUI. Jul 13 10:00:01 But isn't necessary. Jul 13 10:00:04 i meant https://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_an_MMC_card mentions creating 2 partitions Jul 13 10:00:25 Only because most people will likely want to keep their FAT partition. Jul 13 10:00:38 ah, i could put swap on it indeed Jul 13 10:02:17 * qwerty12 goes to compile GtkSpell. I could do with it for the maemo xchat :/ Jul 13 10:03:08 lol, qwerty12, that would be sweet. Jul 13 10:03:37 qwerty make sure you include the chav dictionary Jul 13 10:04:05 getting me a translator for the dodgy northern talk is higher on my priority list Jul 13 10:04:20 heh Jul 13 10:04:40 :P Jul 13 10:04:49 arent you from up here though Jul 13 10:05:01 Yep >.< Jul 13 10:05:25 (which is why I always feel a sense of betrayal when I say these things :/) Jul 13 10:05:31 lol Jul 13 10:06:44 we were once on our way to milton keynes for something and stopped at service station - we were surrounded be arsenal fans, the missus was livid Jul 13 10:07:17 lol Jul 13 10:07:48 she wanted to say something about utd just beating them (they were on way home dejected) but i thought it best we just get out quick Jul 13 10:08:51 yeah, good plan. I was once lucky that no one heard me saying that west ham was shit on upton park station on a match day (the station's near the stadium) Jul 13 10:09:20 is there a way in this x terminal to hide the "abc"/"fn" bar? Jul 13 10:09:35 Anybody else getting weird icon stretching on fiferboy's applets in Diablo? Jul 13 10:10:02 No idea but I managed to make his yellow notes port disappear into maemo space by making it really small. Jul 13 10:10:48 Makegho: yeah, you need to disable control panel Jul 13 10:10:56 text input, languages tab Jul 13 10:11:11 settings > uncheck things Jul 13 10:11:33 qwerty little notes for little people :p Jul 13 10:12:31 nah, in London, we got bigger things to do :P Jul 13 10:13:34 aquatix: the view with auto-capitalization qand such? Jul 13 10:13:46 -q Jul 13 10:13:54 yeah Jul 13 10:14:07 problem is that it disables auto-capitalisation too ;) Jul 13 10:14:19 but it will cause the abs/fn bar to disappear Jul 13 10:15:08 do I need to remove the others too? Jul 13 10:15:33 afraid so Jul 13 10:15:47 :( Jul 13 10:16:44 so, tabs in maemo soon? :P Jul 13 10:17:08 I wish there was a button to hide it Jul 13 10:17:30 shift-space should toggle. Jul 13 10:17:48 great, thanks! Jul 13 10:17:53 GeneralAntilles: ??? Jul 13 10:18:02 *now* you're telling me :) Jul 13 10:18:08 :) Jul 13 10:18:47 auto caps is good to disable still though. It just lets me do more work. Jul 13 10:18:48 aquatix, that's, like, the most irritating bug on the N800. Jul 13 10:18:56 which bug? Jul 13 10:19:01 It'll turn on with a bluetooth keyboard but it's almost impossible to make it go away Jul 13 10:19:02 shift-space Jul 13 10:20:05 GeneralAntilles = ~ s/proprietary/pretty/ Jul 13 10:20:18 ah Jul 13 10:21:30 after using n810's keyboard the 3110 classic keyboard feels almost good :/ these keys need so much force. Jul 13 10:22:17 it's probably because it's so hard to hit the center of the tiny buttons Jul 13 10:23:05 Who the hell is in charge of laying out maemo.org/development Jul 13 10:23:14 It's impossible to find anything there by clicking around. Jul 13 10:23:29 * timely chuckles Jul 13 10:23:46 * GeneralAntilles considers filing a torrent of bugs. Jul 13 10:23:58 good for karma ;-) Jul 13 10:25:38 Makegho: nah, you just can't type ;P Jul 13 10:25:46 they don't need much force Jul 13 10:26:05 http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node8.html#SECTION00860000000000000000 Jul 13 10:26:10 you probably abuse them, because you can't feel when they're depressed Jul 13 10:26:12 Who the hell comes up with URLs like that? Jul 13 10:26:30 ;P Jul 13 10:27:49 AStorm: yeah, seems the decision of growing this big fingers was a mistake ^.. heey, what chazracter broke the terminal Jul 13 10:27:54 How comes nokia provide a pdf of the maemo diablo reference manual but not their api docs? I had to winhttrack the api section :? Jul 13 10:27:56 *:/ Jul 13 10:28:20 I can't get any more characters with the chr button Jul 13 10:28:35 *that character Jul 13 10:28:51 qwerty12, file an enhancement request. :P Jul 13 10:29:25 Good idea, I'd do it if my eyes weren't straining from looking at 14+ patches >.< Jul 13 10:29:40 it's still hogging screen area though, but the area is just empty Jul 13 10:37:31 can't reproduce the bug Jul 13 10:37:41 too bad Jul 13 10:40:04 success. first hide the abc-view with shift+space, then enter that symbol from the chr menu Jul 13 10:40:41 chr menu stops working so I suppose it dies. Jul 13 10:41:01 Makegho: what char? Jul 13 10:41:15 ^ ? Jul 13 10:41:19 yup Jul 13 10:41:43 odd Jul 13 10:41:48 it's on Fn+X too btw ;) Jul 13 10:42:05 fn+x has ~ for me Jul 13 10:42:27 hm, ~ is on C here Jul 13 10:42:31 * aquatix has US qwerty Jul 13 10:42:40 Finnish layout here Jul 13 10:42:46 yeah, guessed so Jul 13 10:43:17 so now I need to boot to get it working Jul 13 10:44:30 unfortunately I don't have time for further analysis now. Need to check it later and maybe fill in a bug report if no-one else does that Jul 13 10:44:41 bbiab Jul 13 10:50:31 Atarii, ping. Jul 13 10:51:42 Anyone on with a 770 running OS2007HE with fanoush's kernel? :P Jul 13 10:52:05 or possibly OS2006HE i suppose ... >_> Jul 13 10:52:54 GeneralAntilles pong Jul 13 10:53:03 rm_you i have 2006 and 2008HE Jul 13 10:53:12 Atarii, you're running OS2008HE, have you flashed any of fanoush's kernel's? Jul 13 10:53:16 yes Jul 13 10:53:35 the 24Mhz one Jul 13 10:53:40 rm_you, OS2006 wasn't HE. :P Jul 13 10:53:52 OK, I wasn't sure what the status was on fanoush's stuff and OS2008 Jul 13 10:53:53 Thanks Jul 13 10:54:50 np Jul 13 10:55:40 heh Jul 13 10:55:50 Atarii: feel like testing out adv-backlight on the 770? :P Jul 13 10:56:33 deal Jul 13 10:57:52 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight_0.12-2_armel.deb Jul 13 10:58:05 should install on 2008HE, and possibly even work ;P Jul 13 10:58:14 with fanoush's kernel, of course Jul 13 10:58:34 rm_you, does it use something like blset? Jul 13 10:59:08 yes Jul 13 10:59:12 Ah cool :) Jul 13 10:59:19 w00t, xchat 2.8.6 compiled! :) Jul 13 10:59:33 it does the same thing as blset, except in C instead of bash :P Jul 13 11:02:25 Ok, libsexy or gtkspell? Jul 13 11:03:33 rm_you it complains about dependancy problems Jul 13 11:03:50 but i think my app manager is screwed so i had to do it via dpkg Jul 13 11:06:37 omg rotation works Jul 13 11:09:07 lol?! Jul 13 11:09:12 Atarii: did you force install it? Jul 13 11:09:19 i am working on the deps thing ATM, it's not on your side Jul 13 11:09:23 Rotation does indeed work . . . Jul 13 11:09:29 * GeneralAntilles hopes a restart will fix that. Jul 13 11:09:42 it semi-installed, but its status is "broken" Jul 13 11:10:15 also rotation is kinda messed up, but its still awesome that it half works on the 770! Jul 13 11:10:43 What's the status of 770 rotation support? Jul 13 11:12:36 well, the screen rotates, but only half the menus display Jul 13 11:12:50 yeah, i've heard that Jul 13 11:12:53 but but but Jul 13 11:12:59 Atarii: does the brightness update? Jul 13 11:13:12 Well, it seems to work for OS2005. . . . http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/7-xrandr-on-nokia-770.html Jul 13 11:13:45 adjusting the brightness kills hildon desktop Jul 13 11:13:54 damnit >_< Jul 13 11:14:09 but is that because of the dependancies? Jul 13 11:14:27 don't think so... Jul 13 11:15:24 nice, hadn't seen that before GeneralAntilles Jul 13 11:18:19 one of the dependency it complains about is libhildondesktop0 Jul 13 11:23:39 well Jul 13 11:23:40 give me a second Jul 13 11:23:47 and i'll link you a new package Jul 13 11:23:59 go ahead and remove that one Jul 13 11:24:09 and get your dpkg setup all fixed :P Jul 13 11:24:53 it'll be about 4 hours while i wait for this upload to autobuilder, it to build it, and it to show up in -devel Jul 13 11:25:07 or maybe like 45 min, but still a while :P Jul 13 11:29:59 lcuk, you do know Igor is a pretty significant kernel engineer in Nokia, right? :P Jul 13 11:30:11 i don't give a tomhoot :) Jul 13 11:30:22 * lcuk speaks the truth Jul 13 11:30:25 Well, the point being, he knows what he's talking about. Jul 13 11:30:43 who be's IGOR? Jul 13 11:31:04 Igor Stoppa Jul 13 11:31:33 so what do i do, bite my tongue just because he works for nokia? Jul 13 11:31:40 Uh, no. Jul 13 11:31:43 they were bullshit reasons Jul 13 11:32:07 My only point is that his opinion isn't one you should dismiss out of hand. ;) Jul 13 11:33:11 is the wifi driver open or closed? what about power saving module? charging? dont these sit in the kernel somewhere? Jul 13 11:35:20 Wifi is a module, power saving is in the kernel and perfectly open, and charging is handled by bme (which doesn't have much to do at all with the kernel). Jul 13 11:35:35 Anybody know if there's a list anywhere of Gmail's different interfaces? Jul 13 11:37:35 Does anybody else take this article as an apple fanboy pissing and moaning about a non-apple product not being... a non-apple product? Jul 13 11:37:36 http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ Jul 13 11:38:04 Eh, maybe a little Jul 13 11:38:09 He's no fanboy, though. Jul 13 11:38:23 He was a fairly significant Newton dev back in the day. ;) Jul 13 11:38:25 its just a lot of bitching and whining about how the n800 ISNT a Newton Jul 13 11:38:29 So he knows what the fuck he's talking about. Jul 13 11:38:33 alert the media, holy shit!!1 id idnt know that! Jul 13 11:39:46 Consider that you're probably experiencing a bit of a kneejerk gut-level anti-Apple reaction bias when you're reading that article, too. ;) Jul 13 11:40:25 comparing a modern device to sone thats a decade old in itself is a moot point Jul 13 11:40:39 Foxx, you ever get to use a Newton? Jul 13 11:41:01 as a paperweight, yes Jul 13 11:41:11 but thats as far as the thing went with me Jul 13 11:41:39 unfortunately it was given to me with a messed up battery Jul 13 11:41:44 * GeneralAntilles can see he's not going to be entering into a rational discussion here. Jul 13 11:42:22 i just dont see the point in debating which is a superior product, and pointing out the flaws, especially when they are a decade apart Jul 13 11:42:47 and typically ment for two different tasks Jul 13 11:42:49 The sad part is that the Newton is 10 years old and is _still_ better than most modern PDAs and handhelds. Jul 13 11:43:05 hey, any job worth doing is worth doing right Jul 13 11:44:27 the n800 isnt perfect, nor would i expect it to be, but so far it kicks any Windows Mobile devices' ass (thats ive owend anyways) Jul 13 11:44:43 well, duh ;) Jul 13 11:44:56 too bad palm doesn't make anything decent anymore Jul 13 11:45:08 * aquatix uses a symbian uiq3 smartphone as pda now Jul 13 11:46:27 LOL Jul 13 11:46:27 [As an aside, you may not have realized this, but you can't set the N800 to its lowest brightness. Try it. Set it to its lowest value. Then wait for the screen dimmer to kick in. It'll get lower. Why?] Jul 13 11:46:35 someone should show him adv-backlight :P Jul 13 11:46:42 That's way old Jul 13 11:46:47 I'm not sure if he's active anymore. Jul 13 11:46:48 yeah Jul 13 11:47:37 autobuilder done yet? Jul 13 11:52:19 yes i believe so Jul 13 11:52:28 should be 0.12-3 in -devel for chinook Jul 13 11:55:28 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/ Jul 13 11:55:32 Don't see it yet Jul 13 11:57:41 Q: What do you do when the community around a certain problem does not reply at all ? Jul 13 11:57:57 (on IRC, and there is no mailing list) Jul 13 11:57:57 Hunt them down and kill them. Jul 13 11:57:59 All of them. Jul 13 11:58:13 ... think twice at calling them a community Jul 13 11:58:25 and I thought the Ubuntu community was the best ever at responding to questions. Jul 13 11:58:28 * GeneralAntilles eyeroll. Jul 13 12:00:01 nha, not Ubuntu Jul 13 12:00:05 I'm talking about bluez here Jul 13 12:00:23 And there's lardman in #bluez, so they're not all bad ! Jul 13 12:00:52 they're just, very very very sleepy, and not keen answering Jul 13 12:01:25 i have disappearing [not appearing] images now and then when having multiple microb windows open Jul 13 12:01:31 any of you see that issue too? Jul 13 12:01:33 offer sexual favors to responders Jul 13 12:01:41 lcuk: *g* Jul 13 12:01:58 hola Jul 13 12:02:05 lcuk, they're not like you :P Jul 13 12:02:12 :D Jul 13 12:02:18 Well, rm_you, no desktop crash Jul 13 12:02:19 they're not as "open" Jul 13 12:02:21 minded Jul 13 12:02:23 but no brightness change, either. Jul 13 12:02:28 i actually really like this n800/newton article Jul 13 12:02:38 * lcuk has a firewall Jul 13 12:02:59 it's interesting, he has some good points Jul 13 12:03:09 Atarii: which one? Jul 13 12:03:18 it also needs to be updated to take note of how well the community has accomplished some of the things on his list :P Jul 13 12:03:23 http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ Jul 13 12:03:28 i thought that article was very well put together, its a bit old now and i read it all a while ago Jul 13 12:03:40 Atarii: thanks Jul 13 12:04:04 it's true that some things are fixed not, but similarly some of his suggestions could still be viable Jul 13 12:04:21 Hrm Jul 13 12:04:26 Why did it install 11-7? Jul 13 12:04:40 * lcuk goes back to puzzlefarter Jul 13 12:05:08 s/not/now Jul 13 12:05:14 rm_you is the new one up? Jul 13 12:05:26 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/ Jul 13 12:06:12 ah thanks Jul 13 12:08:25 Atarii: ah, i know that article Jul 13 12:08:28 nice one indeed Jul 13 12:08:58 rm_you, 12-3 crashes hildon-desktop when you tap OK in Panels. Jul 13 12:10:32 erk, on n800 too? Jul 13 12:11:01 GeneralAntilles: wait, like... when you LOAD it!? Jul 13 12:11:06 Yes. Jul 13 12:14:20 just 770 or also n800? Jul 13 12:15:56 only version 11-7 shows up in my app man Jul 13 12:16:55 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-3_armel.deb Jul 13 12:16:56 ? Jul 13 12:19:03 phew, 0.12-3 seems to work on my N800 Jul 13 12:19:20 got it via web browser, now installing Jul 13 12:19:28 erk Jul 13 12:19:36 i recommend dpkg --purge advanced-backlight Jul 13 12:19:40 before install Jul 13 12:20:01 or else you may need to reboot Jul 13 12:22:04 rebooting.... Jul 13 12:23:30 constant rebooting of the desktop :S Jul 13 12:26:24 damn, it's killed my OS Jul 13 12:26:33 !?!?!?!?/ Jul 13 12:26:34 >_> Jul 13 12:26:36 srsly Jul 13 12:26:51 next you see Atarii ping timeout Jul 13 12:27:16 Atarii: but the one I linked you to prior to that did NOT crash like that?! Jul 13 12:27:45 it did, but it stopped Jul 13 12:27:53 aquatix, im on laptop here :p Jul 13 12:27:55 11-7 was fine, just no backlight changes. 12-2 only crashed when changing the backlight slider. Jul 13 12:28:34 hrm Jul 13 12:28:35 12-3 kills hildon-desktop, then it starts up again, rinse, repeat Jul 13 12:28:47 but 12-2 DIDNT Jul 13 12:28:48 wtf Jul 13 12:29:01 the only change is the compilation stuff Jul 13 12:29:08 * GeneralAntilles would install rich core dumps and get one for you Jul 13 12:29:09 but meh. :P Jul 13 12:29:09 IE, compiled in diablo SB versus chinook SB Jul 13 12:30:54 hmm... I wish the card manufacturers would get on top of making a 32GB microsd Jul 13 12:32:02 if I do: myfile = fopen(...), will if (myfile) tell me if it opened correctly? Jul 13 12:33:00 <|tbb1> hi rm_you: will advancebacklight work properly under diablo? Jul 13 12:33:10 it will be null on error i believe and you can call the syserr or whatever its called function Jul 13 12:33:29 |tbb1: yes, works great... and it is now in extras repository Jul 13 12:33:40 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/fopen.html Jul 13 12:33:59 lcuk: well, all i did between releases was add "if (myfile != NULL)" before my fprintf Jul 13 12:34:05 and it caused it to freak out and crash Jul 13 12:34:14 <|tbb1> for me the display brightness is always brighter than i set it, but if i set it again its okay Jul 13 12:34:38 |tbb1: i'm not sure i understand Jul 13 12:36:02 my 2008HE OS is on the mmc, if i mount it on my laptop, can i stop adv-backlight running on boot? Jul 13 12:36:10 yes Jul 13 12:36:35 <|tbb1> i will check it again Jul 13 12:36:40 remove /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-bar/advanced-backlight.desktop Jul 13 12:36:54 and then when it boots back up, --purge the package Jul 13 12:37:00 thanks :D Jul 13 12:37:05 rm_you, wheres the svn for your latest Jul 13 12:37:08 lol, sorry for that >_> Jul 13 12:37:17 lcuk: err... garage svn? >_> Jul 13 12:38:03 lcuk, https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=564 :P Jul 13 12:38:11 thanks gen :) Jul 13 12:38:26 i was working on giving you the svn checkout command Jul 13 12:38:29 but garage is SOOOOOOOO slow Jul 13 12:38:40 still trying to navigate there Jul 13 12:38:53 svn checkout https://garage.maemo.org/svn/adv-backlight Jul 13 12:40:50 rm_you, what happens if you call fclose on a NULL handle? Jul 13 12:40:57 ack Jul 13 12:41:00 good point Jul 13 12:41:09 no idea ;P Jul 13 12:41:15 think that is it? Jul 13 12:41:35 not sure, but i wouldnt call OS commands on invalid pointers Jul 13 12:41:37 but why didn't it crash without the check there? it would still be trying fclose on a null handle, AND fprintf >_> Jul 13 12:41:41 or try not to anyway Jul 13 12:41:52 yeah... Jul 13 12:42:15 so, should i leave it as (myfile != NULL) or should it just be (myfile)? Jul 13 12:42:30 any non-null will be true there, yes? Jul 13 12:42:41 well, any non-null file handle (1+) Jul 13 12:42:48 they mean the same in this system, but in different OS's NULL might not be zero Jul 13 12:43:25 leave the check as != NULL, no1 will bitch at you for it Jul 13 12:43:44 k Jul 13 12:44:50 your write to the backlight level is similar to how i write the cpufreq away Jul 13 12:45:12 and that should work fine right? Jul 13 12:45:36 does it need the \n on it when it does get to writing it Jul 13 12:45:45 no Jul 13 12:45:50 this code used to work with n800 Jul 13 12:45:56 back before we figured out dsme Jul 13 12:46:02 look here: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqapp.c for cpufreq_governor_write Jul 13 12:47:01 hrm you use fputs Jul 13 12:47:07 other than that, no difference Jul 13 12:47:24 functions are similar, but i dont call fclose when it failed to open Jul 13 12:47:31 yeah i fixed it Jul 13 12:47:34 cool Jul 13 12:48:18 why have you moved away from dmse again? Jul 13 12:48:51 dsme ^ Jul 13 12:50:42 Hey, pupnik. :) Jul 13 12:50:47 woo! back from work O_o Jul 13 12:50:57 Man, krisse is amazing at distilling stuff down for the newbies. Jul 13 12:51:27 hi johnx Jul 13 12:51:38 hey summatusmentis Jul 13 12:51:49 lcuk: for 770 support, as it does not have/use dsme Jul 13 12:52:04 good $timeofday Jul 13 12:52:10 good enough reason for me Jul 13 12:52:49 when is the vm appliance for diablo coming? Jul 13 12:52:51 heh pupnik, its $morning+6hours where you are isnt it :P Jul 13 12:53:00 It's gonna be sweet once it gets working. Jul 13 12:53:18 eh, i'm +1 from you lcuk, aren't I? Jul 13 12:53:29 CET Jul 13 12:53:50 yer, im thinking normal wake up time is about 8-9am :P Jul 13 12:54:09 Be nice if OS2008HE were inline with Diablo so we could just push fanoush's kernel through Application manager. Jul 13 12:54:13 * lcuk was woken up by the sound of youngest falling off eldests ladder Jul 13 12:54:41 rm_you, would it be possible to detect kernel-support and only provide 9 levels if they don't have it installed? Jul 13 12:54:58 GeneralAntilles, the HE releases use the older kernels though...not even at chinook level, IIRC Jul 13 12:55:11 Yes, of course. Jul 13 12:55:16 But what does that have to do with anything? :P Jul 13 12:55:27 GeneralAntilles: IE, doing it the gconf way? with only the default 5 or so levels available? >_> Jul 13 12:55:35 9 on the 770 Jul 13 12:55:42 not in 2008HE? Jul 13 12:55:48 Yes in OS2008HE. Jul 13 12:56:05 Well, I'm thinking that it'd still be worthwhile to be able to use the applet even if you don't have the kernel patch applied. Jul 13 12:56:28 yeah probably Jul 13 12:56:43 but seriously? the os2008HE has a different default backlight applet than os2008 proper? Jul 13 12:57:08 Yeah Jul 13 12:57:24 ... <_< Jul 13 12:57:44 It's just 4 more levels. Jul 13 12:57:58 No retarded N810 bullshit to get in the way. ;) Jul 13 12:58:02 I'm beginning to think that if people want 770 support, they should either code it themselves and submit a working patch, or else send me a 770 >< Jul 13 12:58:11 lol Jul 13 12:58:13 I offered Jul 13 12:58:14 You declined. :P Jul 13 12:58:16 lol Jul 13 12:58:21 Now the offer's expired. Jul 13 12:58:24 rofl Jul 13 12:58:53 heh Jul 13 12:58:59 * sp3000 looks at the bottom of http://maemo.org/midcom-static/style_maemo2007/style.css Jul 13 12:59:22 rofl Jul 13 12:59:37 yay for svn artifacts Jul 13 13:00:10 well, any unattended merge regardless of particulat scm Jul 13 13:00:22 conflicting merge that is ) Jul 13 13:00:24 : Jul 13 13:00:28 MY EYES Jul 13 13:01:17 Atarii: so, you feel like testing it again? :P rofl Jul 13 13:01:45 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-4_armel.deb should be available in several minutes... already past the autobuilder Jul 13 13:03:05 johnx: http://cvs.ircsystems.net/cgi/viewvc.cgi/UnrealIRCd%20SVN/nit-debian/trunk/nit-base-packages/dsme-tools/usr/sbin/ <- various interesting things using DSME library Jul 13 13:03:47 Stskeeps, awesome, as usual! :D Jul 13 13:04:25 johnx: also i made zuh's hald-addon-retu-adc so it appears as a battery in HAL.. not sure it is 100% precise though Jul 13 13:04:49 hmm, i recall the led on my N800 marking when the battery was fully charged while using chinook. but i dont recall seeing that led since i updated to diablo... Jul 13 13:04:50 gah! so iwconfig can be used to set power saving without modifying anything else? Jul 13 13:04:58 johnx: aye Jul 13 13:05:14 I messed with that a bunch, but I didn't guess the right string O_o Jul 13 13:05:17 * johnx grumbles Jul 13 13:05:30 i first noticed the connection when i saw wlancond source :P Jul 13 13:06:08 I did figure out how to set the CAM timeout to 51.3 seconds though :D Jul 13 13:06:10 just tested it yesterday properly.. seems to have a good effect Jul 13 13:06:44 :P Jul 13 13:06:48 did you happen to rebuild xomap with the DPMS patch? Jul 13 13:06:56 so, debian support is moving along nicely? Jul 13 13:07:16 rm_you, it appears so, thanks to people more diligent than me :D Jul 13 13:07:35 I'm beginning to feel the same way about adv-backlight >_> Jul 13 13:08:02 johnx: nada - just using the one based off -beta3 Jul 13 13:08:13 Stskeeps, alright, I'll try and build that then Jul 13 13:08:15 which has gone through several hacks on package level by now Jul 13 13:08:16 k Jul 13 13:08:44 also, I'm looking at gpe-login for the login screen Jul 13 13:09:43 *nod* Jul 13 13:10:03 what are you using as a base? etch? Jul 13 13:10:06 sid Jul 13 13:10:10 srsly? :P Jul 13 13:10:17 rm_you, sid and lenny are the only things with armel support Jul 13 13:10:19 cool, i guess, but isn't that quite a moving target? Jul 13 13:10:23 quite Jul 13 13:10:23 ah. Jul 13 13:10:35 i've bricked my setup 2-3 times so far Jul 13 13:10:36 ::P Jul 13 13:10:54 but in general it's okay Jul 13 13:10:55 i update ~50 packages a day on Sid <_< Jul 13 13:11:24 Stskeeps, so should I probably do a fresh install before I start hacking so that I have the state-of-the-art setup? Jul 13 13:11:39 rm_you im back, 12-4 ready to go? Jul 13 13:11:40 johnx: possibly - there's some nice packages on there by now Jul 13 13:12:00 Atarii: not quite... still waiting for it to show up Jul 13 13:12:11 and i altered installer a bit when fitting in the partitioner and mkfs part (not mandatory, just make sure your target isn't mounted) Jul 13 13:12:14 alright, I'll try and poke at getting hildon stuff into poky while I wait Jul 13 13:12:15 ok Jul 13 13:14:13 i'm just wondering what next steps are for me besides documenting my latest changes :) Jul 13 13:14:49 I don't know, I'll have to take a look, but the work you've put in so far is pretty freaking awesome Jul 13 13:15:12 *nod* Jul 13 13:15:26 i'm starting to see it as a viable development platform by now Jul 13 13:15:36 one find the most interesting things digging into gconf. 1: the updates autocheck interval (1440, dont know if thats minutes, seconds or what). 2: that two options about leds and charging where turned off ;) Jul 13 13:15:38 especially with the power saving working Jul 13 13:16:51 of minor things needed - libgtkstylus support package that puts in export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so into etc/X11/Xsession.d/45gtkstylus :P Jul 13 13:17:01 <|tbb1> iirc the n8x0 has power management for the wlan adapter, will this also work in adhoc mode Jul 13 13:17:25 |tbb1, I believe it won't Jul 13 13:17:55 re Jul 13 13:18:00 AFAIK, no wlan adapter can do much (any?) power saving in ad-hoc Jul 13 13:18:39 what package did you install to get iwconfig working? Jul 13 13:18:53 wireless tools Jul 13 13:19:12 i shoulda' figured ;} Jul 13 13:19:25 i figured it was wlan tools or somethin' Jul 13 13:20:22 <|tbb|> i never get connected to an ap through iwconfig on the tablet, i think the icd wont let me Jul 13 13:20:40 hmm, seems that the led part of the display settings app sets the two led settings to off even with "other led use" option turned on... Jul 13 13:21:25 johnx: does debian use xfce now or still matchbox Jul 13 13:21:53 rm_you, beta3 is xfce, Stskeeps' installer drops you in an xterm Jul 13 13:21:55 i kind of felt the urge earlier to try a WM that actually supports multiple apps on the screen at once :P Jul 13 13:22:29 rm_you: but you can easily just apt-get install icewm and it sets up the x-window-manager alias correctly :P Jul 13 13:22:29 wonder how well it would work Jul 13 13:22:36 it seemed to work on the zaurus Jul 13 13:22:43 it's pretty overrated on such a small screen I think, but I might try something clever with devilspie to make most apps maximize and some apps (calculator, dictionary, etc) run in a smaller window Jul 13 13:22:45 ah cool :P Jul 13 13:23:08 * GeneralAntilles still doesn't get the KDE whores. Jul 13 13:23:10 Atarii: ok, ready: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.12-4_armel.deb Jul 13 13:27:24 purging this time Jul 13 13:28:02 GeneralAntilles, tsk, tsk, no need to ask for a desktop-environment flamewar. :P Jul 13 13:29:06 <|tbb|> rm_you: whats new on the ab12-4 Jul 13 13:31:49 oh crap Jul 13 13:32:08 i just did ", ,bash_history" by accident, trying to tab-complete .bash_profile Jul 13 13:32:14 wow this sucks Jul 13 13:32:40 rm_you it looks promising so far... Jul 13 13:32:48 i have no idea how many hundreds of commands just got run Jul 13 13:32:48 I could see that...you'll have to kill it too. the last thing it will do is source .bash_history... Jul 13 13:33:02 and what they did to my system Jul 13 13:33:09 were you root? Jul 13 13:33:16 inside scratchbox >_> Jul 13 13:33:18 so no Jul 13 13:33:21 but... Jul 13 13:33:27 well, that's actually kinda lucky Jul 13 13:33:28 no sudo password IIRC Jul 13 13:33:50 yeah but i need my scratchbox >_> Jul 13 13:34:01 maybe it's time for a new one Jul 13 13:34:10 there are rm -r commands in there >_> Jul 13 13:34:11 lots of them Jul 13 13:34:20 rm_you, brightness still doesn't do anything. Jul 13 13:34:23 thank god i never did a rm -rf * in any directory Jul 13 13:34:36 yea same here Jul 13 13:34:43 at least it doesnt crash :) Jul 13 13:34:57 hrm, wonder why it isn't working Jul 13 13:34:59 wait Jul 13 13:35:22 can you see if /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level exists? Jul 13 13:36:09 Yes Jul 13 13:36:37 |tbb|: a few trivial bugfixes from the last release (all border cases), a new iconset, faster response time when changing backlight level, and hopefully 770 support Jul 13 13:36:47 erm Jul 13 13:36:48 hrm Jul 13 13:36:57 it is failing to open that file Jul 13 13:37:00 I wonder why Jul 13 13:37:04 permissions maybe Jul 13 13:37:05 ack Jul 13 13:37:07 ls -l it Jul 13 13:37:13 tell me permissions Jul 13 13:37:20 <|tbb|> ah k. Jul 13 13:39:16 GeneralAntilles: yep it is a permissions issue Jul 13 13:39:35 GeneralAntilles: just to verify... can you tell me the permissions on that file Jul 13 13:39:46 rm: I didn't on the tablet. Done it on the wrong directory on production salary system box, once, though ;) (was gonna wipe on a test system to replicate it from production) Jul 13 13:39:54 Atarii: do this as root: chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jul 13 13:40:23 Veggen: ick >_> Jul 13 13:40:32 since then, I've always verified and verified again before hitting enter whenever I type rm -rf * ;) Jul 13 13:40:40 heh well Jul 13 13:40:42 any guys here with experience in rtcomm Jul 13 13:41:21 the .bash_history is basically the WORST file to source by accident >_> Jul 13 13:41:40 i mean, any other file, pft, whatever.... it'll prolly just break and exit... but bash_history is ENTIRELY proper commands Jul 13 13:42:00 and without their original context >_> Jul 13 13:42:11 anyone? Jul 13 13:42:15 Atarii: and then reload the applet Jul 13 13:42:23 kk Jul 13 13:42:29 mmr: Define experience? (or, just ask your question?) Jul 13 13:42:33 reload the applet? Jul 13 13:42:51 lol ok Jul 13 13:42:57 any idea how to force a codec Jul 13 13:43:02 Atarii: erm, control panel -> panels, and uncheck it, click ok, back to panels, check it, ok Jul 13 13:43:07 ie g729 Jul 13 13:43:10 or g711 Jul 13 13:44:07 hm. not off hand. But there *might* be some gconf-tricks. Jul 13 13:44:15 ooo well it worked! :D Jul 13 13:44:21 Atarii: :P Jul 13 13:44:23 thats what i was thinking Jul 13 13:44:32 so it is working now with brightness adjusting? :P Jul 13 13:44:38 hence the experience question ;) Jul 13 13:44:41 but then i moved it up and it killed my nokia, only removed the battery turned it back on :S Jul 13 13:44:53 >_> Jul 13 13:44:55 lol Jul 13 13:44:59 ill try again Jul 13 13:44:59 try again? >_< Jul 13 13:45:05 maybe it was a fluke :P Jul 13 13:45:11 * rm_you sighs Jul 13 13:45:13 hope so, fingers crossed.... Jul 13 13:45:18 maybe it got too excited for itself Jul 13 13:45:27 lol Jul 13 13:45:42 maybe I need to remove the multithreading for the 770 file operation >_> Jul 13 13:46:19 atarii, if it gets excited by installing a backlight app, imagine what would happen if you showed it nokia battery replacement pictures ;) Jul 13 13:46:25 mmr: hm. you can list your gconf-tree with gconftool -R /, and then search in that and see what you find. Jul 13 13:46:38 lol Jul 13 13:47:07 :P Jul 13 13:47:08 so it works, but it dies after 124 value on the brightness Jul 13 13:47:16 .... Jul 13 13:47:20 so my math is broken Jul 13 13:47:32 like, you can change it anything up to 124 Jul 13 13:47:34 ? Jul 13 13:47:35 yea Jul 13 13:47:38 1-123 work great? Jul 13 13:47:42 repeatedly? Jul 13 13:47:47 ill retry Jul 13 13:47:51 its rebooting. again. Jul 13 13:47:55 lol Jul 13 13:48:04 thanks for your patience :P Jul 13 13:48:09 lol np Jul 13 13:48:19 it benefits me just as much Jul 13 13:48:57 aw i was hoping for some xterm instruction just to force the codec Jul 13 13:49:02 have you used gizmo Jul 13 13:49:31 mmr: Not beyond trying it briefly. Jul 13 13:50:02 rm_you that file needs to be given permissions again on startup Jul 13 13:50:08 hrm, i just realized... even if my n800 is like, dropped out of a 10 story window and then run over by a car... i don't really lose anything cause my rootfs is on the SD card, and a measly car running over the n800 wouldn't hurt that card :P Jul 13 13:50:13 Atarii: >_> Jul 13 13:51:00 so your saying your n800 is an elaborate SD case.... Jul 13 13:51:30 rm_you, ah, the wonders of root on removable media Jul 13 13:51:46 Atarii: err... yes :P Jul 13 13:51:50 johnx: :P Jul 13 13:51:50 the brightness interval is six, yet its set to 10 Jul 13 13:52:11 er Jul 13 13:52:21 in the settings, and then using the +/- buttons? Jul 13 13:52:33 yea, it still goes up in intervals of 6 Jul 13 13:52:36 yeah those two things are entirely unrelated at the moment Jul 13 13:52:39 lol Jul 13 13:52:40 ok Jul 13 13:52:41 lol Jul 13 13:52:43 the interval is for the hardware buttons Jul 13 13:52:49 left/right and up/down dpad Jul 13 13:53:00 right, ah yes Jul 13 13:53:52 yup works completely up to the last value Jul 13 13:53:55 lcuk, well, I didn't get the mouse to work under windows, but on the other, bluetooth doesn't work at all under windows so... Jul 13 13:53:56 then crashes Jul 13 13:54:05 other hand** Jul 13 13:54:06 Atarii: alright i will look Jul 13 13:54:36 crashanddie, well thats ummm kind of expected for windows, my dongle never seems to work when i want it to Jul 13 13:54:57 hmmf. I once found all the possible valid keys for the sip connection, but can't remember how ;) Jul 13 13:56:08 lcuk: so much wrong with that sentence :P Jul 13 13:56:20 hahahahaha Jul 13 13:56:23 no worse than your program :P Jul 13 13:56:25 and that file definately needs it permissions setting each boot, but is that because it's crashing, and so not closing properly? Jul 13 13:56:28 lol Jul 13 13:56:45 I think I'm going to quote that... Jul 13 13:56:47 Atarii: no, it is being created fresh each boot with default permissions Jul 13 13:56:52 "My dongle never seems to work when I want it to" Jul 13 13:56:53 ok Jul 13 13:57:20 " ... my dongle never seems to work when i want it to" :P Jul 13 13:57:32 definitely going on bash.org :P Jul 13 13:57:48 :D heh, ive never been on there Jul 13 13:58:07 lcuk, be prepared to lose the rest of the day if you do. Jul 13 13:58:07 or not that i knowfo Jul 13 13:58:19 ive browsed, never been quoted Jul 13 13:58:29 Ah, right. Jul 13 13:59:09 128 i think is the value that kills it rm_you Jul 13 13:59:17 yeah Jul 13 13:59:24 will fix that, sec Jul 13 13:59:36 unsigned char overflow ? Jul 13 13:59:37 uhm, I think the word is workaround Jul 13 13:59:41 I'd call this a kernel bug Jul 13 13:59:41 err, signed char** Jul 13 14:00:03 pending moderation :P Jul 13 14:00:09 note to self: never use ** to say I'm correcting something when talking about C Jul 13 14:00:12 rm_you, misquote me however and you will regret it :P Jul 13 14:00:20 lcuk: no misquote :P Jul 13 14:00:28 lcuk, oh yeah, you're gonna launch a n810 missile at us ? Jul 13 14:00:56 * rm_you opens liqbase to find the splash screen reading "DEATH TO RM_YOU" Jul 13 14:02:09 heh Jul 13 14:03:20 This mouse has me depressed Jul 13 14:03:22 honestly Jul 13 14:03:50 get a wired one Jul 13 14:03:52 And I can't even hang myself with it... It's cordless Jul 13 14:16:01 using fanoushes boot menu, anyone know if i can modify it "on the fly" or do i need to reflash with any changes? Jul 13 14:17:00 Chinook's initfs is too small to modify. Jul 13 14:20:21 Hi, I'm new to the n800 (had it a couple of days) and am trying to install notecase, but it can't find libhildon-1.so.0. I've tried searching for this but can't figure out which package I need to install to get it. I'm running OS2008 (bora). Any idea? Jul 13 14:20:54 daverw, OS2007 is bora, OS2008 is chinook or diablo. Jul 13 14:21:06 Aaaaah Jul 13 14:21:10 is it a new N800 or previously owned? have you upgraded the OS to the latest release? Jul 13 14:21:22 Brand new. Not touched the OS Jul 13 14:21:32 alright, so OS2007/bora Jul 13 14:21:50 OK. Is it easy to upgrade the OS? Jul 13 14:21:58 yup Jul 13 14:22:07 not much software yet in diablo repositories? Jul 13 14:22:18 nice chillout downtempo electro Jul 13 14:22:18 http://youtube.com/watch?v=yJ6p9Ot6qiI Extended Spirit - illicity part 1 Jul 13 14:22:21 https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS Jul 13 14:22:50 Excellent. Thanks for this GeneralAntilles Jul 13 14:23:07 wiza, it's mostly there. Jul 13 14:23:16 You can get anything you really need out of Chinook Extras, anyway. . . . Jul 13 14:25:16 I have those 3 nokia stuff and maemo extras for diablo Jul 13 14:26:02 I had lots of stuff but I fucked up my tablet little while ago(rebooted itself again and again) and I don't know why =) Jul 13 14:26:10 might be those a2dp stuff... Jul 13 14:26:36 what a2dp stuff did you install? Jul 13 14:26:47 just a2dp-support or the old OS2007 stuff? Jul 13 14:28:59 sbc-dsp Jul 13 14:29:06 and a2dp-support script Jul 13 14:29:32 ah, I have that installed too. It doesn't always make a2dp work perfectly, but it shouldn't cause reboot loops Jul 13 14:29:38 but as I said, I don't know if that was what bricked my tablet Jul 13 14:29:59 until I reflashed it Jul 13 14:30:06 if things start pointing to a2dp I'd be interested to hear it Jul 13 14:30:24 yeah, I test it after I come back from helsinki tomorrow Jul 13 14:30:30 thanks Jul 13 14:30:32 really need it there :D Jul 13 14:30:52 * pupnik dances for Iceweasel 3.0 Jul 13 14:31:11 now available in debian sid! Jul 13 14:31:15 do navigation sounds work through a2dp too? Jul 13 14:31:30 nope. talk to nokia about that Jul 13 14:31:41 only mplayer or other alsa-based things work right now Jul 13 14:32:17 hmm. Reminds me. I should go find an italian language podcast to listen to when travelling to Italy tomorrow....2*1.45 minutes plane. Jul 13 14:32:27 later, gstreamer stuff may work with lardman's sbc-dsp, but it's unknown whether system sounds and the builtin media player can be made to work without Nokia intervention Jul 13 14:33:55 Veggen, with 2 plane rides that are only 1.45 minutes each you need short pop songs, not podcasts :P Jul 13 14:34:13 1h 45 minutes each, I meant ;) Jul 13 14:34:32 (first Bergen-Amsterdam, then Amsterdam-Milan) Jul 13 14:34:43 * johnx was being purposefully obtuse Jul 13 14:34:50 I know :) Jul 13 14:37:29 can anyone reccomend a wifi scanner (besides kismet) for the n800? Jul 13 14:37:59 can you set the iface to promiscuous mode? Jul 13 14:38:04 iwlist scan Jul 13 14:38:29 i was hipoing for something a wee bit more realtime and semi-graphical Jul 13 14:38:37 although rfmon will do Jul 13 14:38:55 airodump-ng ? Jul 13 14:39:11 thats more for dumping packet Jul 13 14:39:36 shows networks, in realtime and is semi-graphical Jul 13 14:39:52 only for dumping packets if you enable logging Jul 13 14:39:58 im tryiong to get Wireless Tools installed at the moment, so i at least have iwlist Jul 13 14:40:07 ok, ill check that out Jul 13 14:40:08 pupnik: the touchmegames dont work Jul 13 14:42:28 kkrusty: problem building them? a lot of them need adjustments for 800x480 Jul 13 14:43:57 pupnik: well they built fine. Except for some invalid headers/libraries. The main problem is that I cant seem to understand how to play them. Jul 13 14:45:17 lol i didn't try em all :) Jul 13 14:45:40 hmmm it might be that the interface and events dont match coordinates Jul 13 14:46:07 install it on your win/linux pc to see how to play correctly Jul 13 14:46:27 pupnik: that makes sense. thanks Jul 13 14:46:59 * kkrusty just wishes they would name these games differently; touchmegames :( Jul 13 14:50:55 yep i have to get my dev box set up tonight Jul 13 14:52:09 but that's probably the best game package to do actual hildon work on Jul 13 14:52:42 i cant seem to find a repo for airodump-ng Jul 13 14:52:49 any suggestions? Jul 13 14:52:57 so what you learn by working on that might be more useful than, say, getting into SDL Jul 13 14:53:05 Foxx: search itt forums Jul 13 14:53:17 Hello Jul 13 14:53:33 i tried gronmayer.it Jul 13 14:53:40 i don't think it's repo-ized yet Jul 13 14:53:40 i figured that would be the best place to go Jul 13 14:53:44 Foxx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20888 Jul 13 14:53:44 is there a way to enlarge hildon pop-up windows Jul 13 14:53:46 ? Jul 13 14:54:00 google just retunrs a bunch uf "help help" topics Jul 13 14:59:43 <|tbb|> Foxx: search for aircrack-ng suite it contains airodump iirc Jul 13 15:00:12 ok, ill try that Jul 13 15:00:20 its in the link qwerty12 just posted Jul 13 15:00:21 ive been looking for airodump-ng this far Jul 13 15:00:47 I miss Wellenreiter from OpenZaurus >_> Jul 13 15:01:14 rm_you: might still be in OE Jul 13 15:01:35 it was a qt2 app, though, right? Jul 13 15:02:00 yeah :/ Jul 13 15:02:02 an N9x0 in Psion Netbook format would make a nice momputer Jul 13 15:02:27 pupnik, I keep looking at the beagleboard and getting ideas like that Jul 13 15:02:37 When making a GPG key to upload to extras, do I use (1) DSA and Elgamal (default)? Jul 13 15:03:05 yeah johnx - if it were stylish, easy to use, and netbook size (but slimmer), it would make a great purse accessory Jul 13 15:03:12 oh, I forgot that Jul 13 15:03:52 my n810 is the closest I've been able to come to a relatively usable pocket computer Jul 13 15:04:15 so now rotate half works on the 770, is there anything from jott's http://sse2.net/rotate/ i need to install so it displays properly? Jul 13 15:04:26 summatusmentis, my n800 is pretty much there. I have mastered the FSK :P Jul 13 15:04:40 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to enable the bluetooth icon on kagu player Jul 13 15:04:46 johnx: I'm missing a couple apps that I'd like to have Jul 13 15:04:53 summatusmentis, PIM? Jul 13 15:05:35 Atarii: i'm kind of confused about it working at all... did you install the custom xorg-server and kernel that supports it!? >_> Jul 13 15:05:55 PIM is part of it, I'd like to have an office suite, either vim+cscope or a good IDE, and I need to find some more storage Jul 13 15:06:09 |tbb|, it's not worth it, it's only enabled with an older (And worse) method of a2dp Jul 13 15:06:19 summatusmentis, N800 wins at storage :) Jul 13 15:06:44 johnx: yeah, I know, I'm waiting on the higher capacity micro-sdhc cards Jul 13 15:06:47 rm_you i only installed fanoushs kernel here: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#sdhc Jul 13 15:06:55 |tbb|, if you have a2dp working with mplayer, then add "a2dp toggle" to personal menu or some other launcher Jul 13 15:06:59 which doesn't mention the rotate support Jul 13 15:07:11 w/in 5 Jul 13 15:07:57 <|tbb|> for me it is, because i always have to close kagu and reopen it because my receiver (anycom bt) always goes to pairing mode once it get power on Jul 13 15:08:51 |tbb|, toggle it's backend between OMS and mplayer as a hack, or switch out of the app and a2dp toggle without closing Jul 13 15:08:52 Some one should change kagu to use a2dp instead of a2dpd. It's in python... Jul 13 15:09:43 <|tbb|> no way to reenable the bluetooth icon Jul 13 15:09:58 |tbb|, the way is to change the code Jul 13 15:10:09 it's toggling the old a2dp system, not the new one Jul 13 15:10:53 still cant seem to find airodump-ng, but the aircrack suite is working Jul 13 15:11:07 You need to be root Jul 13 15:11:38 goddam, the shitty speed of garage isn't even funny anymore. Jul 13 15:12:45 johnx: did you ever run debian on the Zaurii? Jul 13 15:12:58 summatusmentis, running it right now Jul 13 15:13:03 I use it as a build machine sometimes Jul 13 15:13:14 intriguing, does it work well enough? Jul 13 15:13:16 w/in 5 Jul 13 15:13:21 I can't type, I'm sorry Jul 13 15:13:52 I don't really use it on the go, only when I *need* a full debian environment Jul 13 15:14:15 how is powermanagement in debian? Jul 13 15:14:27 freelikegnu, on n8x0 or zaurus? Jul 13 15:14:34 n8x0 Jul 13 15:14:46 it's improving constantly Jul 13 15:14:48 seems like my battery was going pretty fast Jul 13 15:14:56 on beta3 Jul 13 15:15:13 beta3 is old-and-busted. The stuff Stskeeps is doing now is the new hotness :D Jul 13 15:15:25 I'll have to try that Jul 13 15:15:53 w/in 2 Jul 13 15:15:53 right now though it just leaves you at an xterm :) Jul 13 15:15:57 I quit Jul 13 15:16:12 summatusmentis, I am highly curious. what causes that? Jul 13 15:16:33 typing? Jul 13 15:16:46 the w/in 2 I mean Jul 13 15:17:05 aaah, nm, console based IRC client...right Jul 13 15:17:09 * johnx is slow Jul 13 15:17:14 * johnx lives in a GUI world Jul 13 15:17:25 oh, no, that's my being crappy at typing. In irssi, tabs are numbered(for different channels), /win changes the tab to whichever number follows Jul 13 15:17:46 yawn Jul 13 15:18:12 I thought it was some kind of keymap weirdness or something Jul 13 15:18:18 I find esc + number to work better :) Jul 13 15:18:23 I used to use X-Chat, then I missed out on conversations Jul 13 15:18:46 * RST38h runs 2 copies of ircii inside screen Jul 13 15:18:58 Kegetys: I love you! I used to use option+number, then my HD failed, and now option doesn't work anymore Jul 13 15:19:18 * qwerty12 couldn't live with an console client tbh Jul 13 15:19:18 easier this way - no extra commands to memorize Jul 13 15:19:40 missed out on conversations? Jul 13 15:20:35 I wouldn't mind some GUI features, but I dont know of any client that would actually allow doing what irssi running on a screen allows Jul 13 15:20:50 ah Jul 13 15:20:52 ShadowJK_: I would shut my laptop, and lose connection. Now I can just disconnect screen, and keep connection :) Jul 13 15:21:07 Kegetys: agreed Jul 13 15:21:17 I want X-Chat inside screen :) Jul 13 15:21:19 I think dircproxy has a feature to feed what you missed to the client when it reconnects Jul 13 15:21:27 summatusmentis: psybnc?! ;) Jul 13 15:21:28 summatusmentis, xpra (screen for X) Jul 13 15:21:39 johnx: what? Jul 13 15:21:51 http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra Jul 13 15:21:53 sorry, jott Jul 13 15:21:54 or xmove ;) Jul 13 15:22:12 soo what would be the simplest way to play a bit of audio from, say, a shell script? Jul 13 15:22:29 * sp3000 could actually do with a built-in system sound fwiw Jul 13 15:22:32 summatusmentis: run a bouncer and connect your gui irc client to it.. Jul 13 15:22:38 (maybe) Jul 13 15:22:49 * jott is still in favour of irssi in screen Jul 13 15:23:01 well, I'm fine with irssi for now :) Jul 13 15:23:04 sp3000, play-sound comes to mind Jul 13 15:24:09 I have the same irssi session open in all my computers + N810, so I can just switch from one to other without any hassles Jul 13 15:24:25 Kegetys: that's mostly what I do Jul 13 15:24:29 yeah Jul 13 15:24:48 i guess there are few people using irssi without screen ;) Jul 13 15:24:52 sp3000: mplayer ? >_> Jul 13 15:25:16 johnx: thanks, that oughta work Jul 13 15:25:19 although it would be nice if they could have different size terminals, but that would be too much hassle to set up and use Jul 13 15:25:20 <|tbb|> johnx: did u have done the a2dp enable script Jul 13 15:25:30 |tbb|, yes Jul 13 15:25:56 Kegetys: what do you mean? Jul 13 15:26:02 <|tbb|> why do you choose a modal dialog to show the info a2dp enabled msg Jul 13 15:26:18 <|tbb|> instead of a systeminfo Jul 13 15:26:39 |tbb|, because I found an easy piece of code to use dbus-send to bring it up Jul 13 15:26:45 summatusmentis: I mean I could have, say 100x28 terminal on n810 and something else on desktop system at the same time with irssi having proper size on both Jul 13 15:26:48 <|tbb|> ah k Jul 13 15:27:09 wait, you're connected to the same screen at the same screen? is that possible? Jul 13 15:27:09 |tbb|, is there an easy way to show a system-info from an sh script? Jul 13 15:27:16 sure Jul 13 15:27:19 I've just been disconnecting them Jul 13 15:27:19 <|tbb|> --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:'WlanStatusChange' Jul 13 15:27:20 <|tbb|> --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:'A2DP Enabled' Jul 13 15:27:20 screen -x name Jul 13 15:27:29 -x is very handy Jul 13 15:27:40 that's even cooler! Jul 13 15:27:43 I love screen Jul 13 15:27:45 |tbb|, thanks. that'll go in the next version. Jul 13 15:27:50 <|tbb|> ;) Jul 13 15:29:17 * qwerty12 waits for me package to show up in extras-devel :) Jul 13 15:29:53 qwerty12: what package? Jul 13 15:30:39 Well, not my program per-se, but I uploaded rootsh to diablo extras-devel. I'd have liked to have put easyroot in there but I'm not sure on the status of that one :/ Jul 13 15:30:48 or, alternatively, keep it in your pants, noone wants to see that Jul 13 15:30:56 :P Jul 13 15:30:59 oh, I see Jul 13 15:31:05 summatusmentis: ctl-n and ctl-p are nice and fast ways to switch to next/prev Jul 13 15:31:31 pupnik: I knew about that, but thanks :) Jul 13 15:32:07 on my desktop I have insert and delete bound as next/previous window, and function keys to switch directly to windows 1-12, but of course those keys are missing from n810 :P Jul 13 15:34:20 I tried to get PgUp and PgDn working on my macbook but it wasn't happy, so esc+{p,n} works well enough Jul 13 15:35:17 <|tbb|> how to easy add pipe and tabulator to the hardware keyboard on n810 Jul 13 15:35:26 I wish I could have the nokia 9300 keyboard in n810 Jul 13 15:35:51 I did that with xmodmap, ε key is tab and Ε key is pipe, I dont ever need those Jul 13 15:37:52 ctrl-a,space and ctrl-a,backspace are quick ways to switch next/prev in screen as well Jul 13 15:38:05 <3 screen as well Jul 13 15:38:31 * Gracana notices that he used the phrase "as well" twice in a row Jul 13 15:38:58 I noticed that as well Jul 13 15:39:22 Just upgraded my n800 to diablo. It was easy. notecase now installs and runs fine. Thanks for the help. Jul 13 15:39:48 glad to hear it daverw Jul 13 15:40:43 haha Kegetys :P Jul 13 15:45:38 are there any good alarm clock apps? Jul 13 15:45:54 i looked maybe 8 months ago and there wasn't much Jul 13 15:47:56 * summatusmentis uses his phone for an alarm clock Jul 13 15:48:11 I use the builtin alarm function sometimes Jul 13 15:48:13 what's wrong with the built in alarm app ? Jul 13 15:48:28 it's fine, but I want a clock too Jul 13 15:48:39 I'd like something that'd act as a great nightstand clock Jul 13 15:48:48 mclock Jul 13 15:49:11 Could just buy a nightstand clock :) Jul 13 15:49:38 mclock: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mclock/ Jul 13 15:50:02 yeah, but nothing good will play mp3s or there's always some option i'd like that they won't do Jul 13 15:50:12 I figure the tablets would be perfect Jul 13 15:50:20 plus my n770 is just sitting in a drawer Jul 13 15:50:59 Tu13es: just write your own clock application :) Jul 13 15:51:09 it will have all the features you implement ;p Jul 13 15:51:12 it'd be way toom uch time and hassle Jul 13 15:51:14 I'm not a coder Jul 13 15:51:18 hmm I could set up my 9300 as alarm clock as I dont need it anymore, could irc with it easily at night time too Jul 13 15:52:44 * jott imagines a clock app where you have to hold the fullscreen button and use zoom in and out to set the alarm ;) Jul 13 15:53:17 in minutes increments only :p Jul 13 15:53:40 nah, you press zoom - for hours and zoom + for minutes and if you miss you have to go around again Jul 13 15:53:58 seriously analog clocks have a better interface than a lot of digital clocks... Jul 13 15:54:14 one step forward, two steps back Jul 13 15:54:38 in the tablet clock you could have speech recognition in it or something Jul 13 15:54:40 hehe yeah or this way.. Jul 13 15:54:55 could detect if you're still snoring and ring louder Jul 13 15:55:01 and now we have tablets and still no good clocks :) Jul 13 15:55:29 * jott actually likes his weatherclock on his familiar linux ipaq ;) Jul 13 15:55:46 at least you could say you have 400MHz processor and 128MB of ram on your alarm clock (or whatever specs your specific device has) Jul 13 15:56:17 yeah my table clock has 266mhz and wifi ;) Jul 13 15:59:59 my usb soundcard has a 285dpi vga screen. Jul 13 16:01:21 ;> Jul 13 16:01:58 you use a freerunner as soundcard? ;) Jul 13 16:02:15 no, that would be wasteful Jul 13 16:02:18 it's a neo1973 Jul 13 16:02:20 ah Jul 13 16:02:27 heh still Jul 13 16:04:29 Man, this is starting to get confusing... Jul 13 16:20:22 <|tbb|> if you do an backup, will it contains the scripts which you store under /usr/bin anywhere? Jul 13 16:20:42 No, /usr/bin isn't backed up afaik Jul 13 16:22:23 <|tbb|> ./usr/sbin also not Jul 13 16:22:54 If you have time, you can write a backup config file that will backup /usr/bin Jul 13 16:23:16 (but I wouldn't recommend it) Jul 13 16:23:29 <|tbb|> i just realized i had forgoten to save a core script Jul 13 16:23:34 <|tbb|> to bad Jul 13 16:23:46 if I'm cloning to mmc (07HE on a 770)...all I would have to do is create a swap partition and the system would recognize it? Jul 13 16:24:18 http://junk.kegetys.net/nightclock.jpg done :> Jul 13 16:26:48 nice Kegetys Jul 13 16:27:17 dont try the alarm thing with an unplugged 8x0 though - random mornings you wouldnt wake up. hang on, is that a bad thing Jul 13 16:27:26 lol Jul 13 16:27:37 it is if you need to get to work :P Jul 13 16:28:05 Does the N8x0 alert you when the battery is running low? I've never tried :) Jul 13 16:28:07 but if you're me, then not really, cause the only purpose my alarm serves during the summer is to let me turn it off and feel good about myself as i fall back asleep :P Jul 13 16:28:08 "sorry boss, my touchscreen internet connected linux clock died unexpectedly" Jul 13 16:28:39 "sorry, someone hacked into my night clock wlan and turned it off" Jul 13 16:29:20 ShadowJK_, in my experience it just dies sometime between going to sleep and waking up. a peaceful end really Jul 13 16:29:32 lol Kegetys Jul 13 16:29:57 so it just dies? It doesn't try to do anything clever like shutdown gracefully whne battery is nearing empty? Jul 13 16:30:43 how should i know, im always asleep when it happens :P its like it waits Jul 13 16:31:16 ive had it die maybe once or twice in my hand in its entire life and then its just gone Jul 13 16:31:22 it would be nice if it would go into hibernation, write memory contents to memory card and then restore when power is back Jul 13 16:32:00 if it could hibernate i would use it - but that feature has been ignored and i dont think you can ever totally shut it off Jul 13 16:32:10 hibernation would allow battery switching Jul 13 16:32:52 Kegetys, i like your alarm by the way, is it just a mockup or proper app Jul 13 16:34:02 Kegetys, :O omg @ the mobile gaming picture Jul 13 16:34:32 its a proper app, commercial though and not that good it seems Jul 13 16:34:50 I'd write my own if that thing would support python or something else usable Jul 13 16:34:59 Is it an Psiloc proggie (used to use quite a few of them on N-gage) Jul 13 16:35:35 no, something else, dont remember anymore what Jul 13 16:35:48 ah Jul 13 16:45:29 i seem to recall a low battery warning sound Jul 13 17:02:07 anyone know why the tutorials for booting from MMC with a 770 don't include swap directions? Jul 13 17:02:45 wait....let me recode that into english...what I meant to say is there aren't steps for creating a swap partition.... Jul 13 17:02:59 <|tbb|> why they changed the key under /osso/connectivity/IAP from name like mywlanathome to 21def4................. Jul 13 17:03:05 I don't think OS2006 had a GUI-based way to add swap, so I guess people didn't really think about it Jul 13 17:03:25 07HE Jul 13 17:03:36 |tbb|, new icd (the new one is stupid :() Jul 13 17:04:30 Knowledge, I know that swap can cause problems on the N8x0 with cards that don't behave perfectly. Maybe it's as much or more of a problem on the 770... Jul 13 17:04:38 <|tbb|> what exactly more is stupid Jul 13 17:04:42 I see. Jul 13 17:04:56 the key word is maybe Jul 13 17:05:08 I don't have a 770, so I'm just guessing Jul 13 17:12:59 ahh screw it, I'm just going to follow the directions as written...I forgot how I had it setup before.... Jul 13 17:13:30 it's just as easy to swap to a file anyways Jul 13 17:14:25 johnx: would I be able to make a bigger swap than 64mb? or is that enough you think? Jul 13 17:14:44 you could make it whatever size you want Jul 13 17:15:01 and you could change it or delete it later without repartitioning Jul 13 17:15:35 true Jul 13 17:16:57 <|tbb|> is it possible to get this name in human readable one /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/8d5d2453-4046-4d24-8250-b9c4620ede6e Jul 13 17:19:38 |tbb|, yes, but it still doesnt mean too much Jul 13 17:19:48 if its hex anyway Jul 13 17:20:25 its a GUID isnt it Jul 13 17:21:26 <|tbb|> i had an dbus-command which let me easily connect to an ap using its name now the name had changed to this stupid guid Jul 13 17:21:48 is there a branch within the folder itself specifying the name Jul 13 17:22:00 <|tbb|> yes it is Jul 13 17:22:08 or an index file mapping names to guids Jul 13 17:22:22 ahhh right, just change your program to use the identified name? Jul 13 17:23:00 back later Jul 13 17:27:02 Stskeeps, still awake? Jul 13 17:28:22 Atarii: still awake? Jul 13 17:28:48 summatusmentis: still awake? Jul 13 17:30:09 rm_you, did you just finish a patch too? Jul 13 17:36:12 yep Jul 13 17:36:37 btw, GINT_TO_POINTER is evil >_> Jul 13 17:36:37 * johnx debugs the new nit-debian installer so he can use it Jul 13 17:36:53 it fails in some random manner if the GINT in question happens to be 0 Jul 13 17:37:01 >_> Jul 13 17:37:08 awesome Jul 13 17:37:27 WhyTF would it do that? Jul 13 17:38:29 for fun, so i would suffer Jul 13 17:38:58 so, since 0 is the boundary case, for now I just add 1 before i sent it through GINT_TO_POINTER Jul 13 17:39:10 and then subtract one after POINTER_TO_GINT on the other side Jul 13 17:39:18 uhm Jul 13 17:39:19 wow Jul 13 17:39:20 jott has promised to fix it for real later :P Jul 13 17:39:28 that's .. pretty special Jul 13 17:40:08 isn't it just. Jul 13 17:40:34 If I weren't laughing hysterically right now, i would probably be very agitated Jul 13 17:40:49 but i'm very tired, and the concept of +/- 1 amuses me greatly Jul 13 17:41:09 and i think i shall sleep soon... want to wake up in a few hours and hit up Ouajimaya :P Jul 13 17:41:17 wow i dont think i spelled that right Jul 13 17:41:34 Uwajimaiya maybe? Jul 13 17:41:47 ooo and see if maybe i can find somewhere in the i-district that will sell me a decent bowl of ramen >_< Jul 13 17:41:51 yeah :P that Jul 13 17:42:07 or γ†γ‚γ˜γΎγ„γ‚„οΌŸ Jul 13 17:42:15 >_> Jul 13 17:44:00 Stskeeps, I think there's no bme-dbus-proxy in diablo... Jul 13 17:45:10 yeah, it's gone: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/23-14_vs_50-2_comparison.html Jul 13 17:45:36 and replaced with hald-addon-bme it appears Jul 13 17:53:33 *Sniffle* .... http://www.rocketworld.org/jangara_ramen.htm Jul 13 17:55:42 I'll pass on the egg O_o Jul 13 18:00:01 johnx: well that's just as good Jul 13 18:00:14 johnx: could you dpkg -L it for me? Jul 13 18:00:23 sure, one sec Jul 13 18:00:38 it actually belongs better in hald really Jul 13 18:00:59 I think that brings it closer to "normal linux" , correct? Jul 13 18:01:11 http://pastebin.com/m187e87a6 Jul 13 18:01:18 yeah Jul 13 18:01:52 seems like it could prolly just be repacked without issue Jul 13 18:02:14 yeah, I'll make a fillin recipe for it Jul 13 18:02:16 *nod* Jul 13 18:02:41 I have some patches to debian_installer.py Jul 13 18:03:02 k - like? Jul 13 18:03:06 usr/share/doc/hald-addon-bme prolly doesn't exist btw Jul 13 18:03:11 (tendancy in nokia packages) Jul 13 18:03:18 yeah, docpurge Jul 13 18:04:47 patch: recovers from a failed install better (unmounts $chroot/sys $chroot/proc $chroot/dev/pts before starting), handles the case where there's already an ext2 fs on the card you're reformatting, removes the .svn dirs from the fillin package directories so they don't complain "can't overwrite /.svn in other-package-foo" Jul 13 18:05:19 ahh, i forgot that in svn checkout - it should be svn export not checkout Jul 13 18:05:29 aaah Jul 13 18:05:29 (no .svn directories) Jul 13 18:05:42 I was liking the svn up though :P Jul 13 18:05:43 and sounds good - just commit Jul 13 18:06:05 yeah, - well, for that i just do the non-SVN ("i've checked out trunk") Jul 13 18:06:13 and it does refresh-base and removes .svn's Jul 13 18:06:22 ah, it already does? Jul 13 18:06:32 then I should pull that line from my patch Jul 13 18:06:42 but the svn checkout into target should be svn export Jul 13 18:08:47 so you think the hald-addon-bme will work automagically if it's repacked? Jul 13 18:09:11 think so Jul 13 18:09:18 else just copy it in and restart hald Jul 13 18:09:23 if it appears in ps aux, it works Jul 13 18:09:23 :P Jul 13 18:09:48 also, it's description tells me that it "Also provides compatibility with previously used bme-dbus-proxy by Jul 13 18:09:48 implementing battery and charger messages' forwarding from BME to Jul 13 18:09:48 status bar applet through DBus." Jul 13 18:10:03 *nod* Jul 13 18:10:18 that's fine Jul 13 18:10:31 i wonder if it provides HAL battery capacity Jul 13 18:10:56 then we wouldn't need hald-addon-retu-adc Jul 13 18:11:05 what does lshal | grep battery say on diablo? Jul 13 18:11:27 lots of good things :D Jul 13 18:11:42 pastebin? Jul 13 18:11:57 nah nothing about pastebin...aaah, I see :P Jul 13 18:12:15 http://pastebin.com/m1d874df8 Jul 13 18:12:38 http://pastebin.com/m293ca2bd Jul 13 18:12:39 Awesome. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/021883.html Jul 13 18:12:42 that's fantastic :) Jul 13 18:13:05 (-> qwerty12_N800, johnx) Jul 13 18:13:37 GeneralAntilles: happy users? :P Jul 13 18:13:38 GeneralAntilles, that's fantastic :) Jul 13 18:14:17 * qwerty12_N800 is laughing at itt spam atm Jul 13 18:14:23 brb walking friend to bus Jul 13 18:14:35 k Jul 13 18:15:02 GeneralAntilles, I think the answer to that mail is simple: "No one can help you." Jul 13 18:15:10 do people not know how to like... write? Jul 13 18:15:56 I think running that through text-to-speech might be illuminating Jul 13 18:15:58 . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3445 Anybody able to reproduce? Jul 13 18:16:49 bjeezus http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Jul 13 18:17:32 actually, triple-click select seems to be better in diablo (or at least not worse) Jul 13 18:17:33 2 pages of that. Jul 13 18:17:55 and your friend from the mailing list right in the middle Jul 13 18:17:59 this gets a screenshot Jul 13 18:18:18 GeneralAntilles, Btw, i'm working to get an easyroot clone in extras. Jul 13 18:18:27 Awesome, qwerty12_N800. Jul 13 18:18:51 * johnx attempts to fit the google ad for asparagus tablets in the screenie as well Jul 13 18:19:21 Dang.. I wonder how he got thus far writing like that. @ mail list Jul 13 18:19:35 w00t lesbians on ITT! Jul 13 18:19:37 Raytray, -users is a hellhole. Jul 13 18:19:37 So far, i've uploaded rootsh. works but doesn't dork with scripts that use sudo gainroot; so i'm making a new version tommorrow. Jul 13 18:19:50 s/dork/work/ Jul 13 18:19:50 qwerty12_N800 meant: So far, i've uploaded rootsh. works but doesn't work with scripts that use sudo gainroot; so i'm making a new version tommorrow. Jul 13 18:19:53 lol Jul 13 18:19:55 I'm telling you...ever since they started letting just anyone onto the internet it hasn't been the same... Jul 13 18:22:23 God, that email is ridiculous. Jul 13 18:22:41 How do you get to the point in your life where you can't even manage to put 4 coherent sentences together? Jul 13 18:23:21 From the capitalization it's like he had periods in there and took them out or something Jul 13 18:23:27 it's pretty awesome though Jul 13 18:24:38 holy crap, that mail is in some big a** font... Jul 13 18:25:41 qwerty12_N800, that's why you never accept HTML mail unless you have a choice Jul 13 18:25:57 s/a choice/no choice/ Jul 13 18:25:57 johnx meant: qwerty12_N800, that's why you never accept HTML mail unless you have no choice Jul 13 18:26:23 rm_you ping Jul 13 18:26:31 yeah, but html (usually) looks so pretty Jul 13 18:27:08 "I want is a bible that I can look up a verses and use it at church can you help me" - i can pray but it may be too late for help. Jul 13 18:27:22 "No one can help you." Jul 13 18:27:48 "I love to work with picters" Jul 13 18:28:00 "this is grate" Jul 13 18:28:13 http://www.eriding.net/media/photos/art/textures/040521_cbrown_mp_art_tex_road_grate.jpg Jul 13 18:28:14 I wanna know what kind of church it's considered acceptable to pull out a piece of technology in Jul 13 18:28:56 The N800 does have lots of little holes on the front Jul 13 18:29:04 I'm not sure what's on about with the N810, though. . . . Jul 13 18:29:06 actually, that would make a pretty good t-shirt I think :D "This is grate!" Jul 13 18:30:16 when something like this shows up I do kinda wonder if it's someone else just trolling for responses (or trying to get someone else's email addy spammed/flamed) Jul 13 18:31:04 johnx, I really hope so. Jul 13 18:31:26 But, sadly, I doubt it. Jul 13 18:31:44 someone needs to integrate the agps into maemo-mapper Jul 13 18:32:28 and then kick the gps chip in the pants, and make it work Jul 13 18:32:35 When are we going to get the freaking guided Bugzilla submission form. . . . Jul 13 18:32:44 "SOFTWARE VERSION: 4.2008.23-14 Jul 13 18:32:44 (Control Panel > General > About product)" Jul 13 18:32:49 Stuff like that is just ridiculous. Jul 13 18:35:37 Interesting http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22jeff+treague%22&btnG=Search Jul 13 18:36:26 thats just a minor error for someone who hasnt done that before, why berate him? Jul 13 18:37:02 lcuk_tea, he has filed bugs before. Jul 13 18:37:12 and because I'm tired of his bitching and moaning on itT. Jul 13 18:37:19 how was tea lcuk_tea ? Jul 13 18:37:37 :D was lovely Jul 13 18:37:41 ty Jul 13 18:38:21 I'm glad, so is there always tea? or is it just a light meal? Jul 13 18:38:28 GeneralAntilles, it was just a bug report though Jul 13 18:39:03 it was bolognaise n chips n lemon cheese cake :D Jul 13 18:39:37 washed down with the season finale of dr who Jul 13 18:39:50 lcuk, and the bug report is WORKSFORME Jul 13 18:39:55 :) awesome Jul 13 18:40:33 bolognaise? what is that? Jul 13 18:40:45 GeneralAntilles, he probably doesn't realize the triple-tap trick, given that he didn't mention it Jul 13 18:40:55 Triple? Jul 13 18:41:03 It's tap, tap-drag here. Jul 13 18:41:10 err...is it? Jul 13 18:41:16 johnx: any way to distinguish properly between diablo and chinook, script-wise? Jul 13 18:41:18 nope Jul 13 18:41:28 Works just fine. Jul 13 18:41:29 Stskeeps, that was at GeneralAntilles Jul 13 18:42:01 k Jul 13 18:42:09 GeneralAntilles, maybe we're talking about the same thing: tap, tap, tap-and-drag here Jul 13 18:42:15 Stskeeps, let me check, I have some ideas Jul 13 18:42:16 GeneralAntilles, could it depend on how busy the system is and if lots of processes running its just not responding as well as on your system? Jul 13 18:42:16 johnx, quickly: tap once, tap twice and drag Jul 13 18:42:29 It's not tap, tap, tap-drag Jul 13 18:42:31 like how scrolling didnt/doesnt work when its busy Jul 13 18:42:33 It's just tap, tap-drag Jul 13 18:43:30 GeneralAntilles, heh...his bug is valid if it's supposed to work that way then. if I don't here three "screen-tap" noises out of my N800 drag-select doesn't work Jul 13 18:43:40 lcuk, works fine with mplayer streaming a video in the background. Jul 13 18:43:54 Stskeeps: /etc/osso_software_version ? Jul 13 18:44:43 thats just one single usage case, thats not all the time, he might have a valid and real problem Jul 13 18:45:08 lcuk, I doubt it. Jul 13 18:45:19 mplayer also forces the cpu into performance mode when playing most movies Jul 13 18:45:24 ie better response to things Jul 13 18:45:50 jott: hehe, figured there'd be something like that :) Jul 13 18:45:51 jott, maybe I'm being dumb, but I don't see /etc/osso_software_version in diablo Jul 13 18:46:03 I guess it's existence would be a good test though if it's in chinook Jul 13 18:47:03 johnx: you removed osso-software-version-rx44* ? ;) Jul 13 18:47:07 it's in there Jul 13 18:47:22 jott, aaah...probably Jul 13 18:47:34 GeneralAntilles, nm, I got it to work, but the timing is touchy as hell Jul 13 18:47:47 moo, all Jul 13 18:47:58 m00 Jul 13 18:48:21 00W Jul 13 18:48:34 someone tipped lcuk's cow! Jul 13 18:48:43 :D Jul 13 18:50:09 johnx, dunno, it works consistently for me. Jul 13 18:50:33 try lifting all the way instead of keeping some pressure on the screen between taps Jul 13 18:50:33 Ah, another gem: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21854 Jul 13 18:50:48 Er, that's how I do it. Jul 13 18:50:49 Works fine. Jul 13 18:50:49 yeah, that's older though Jul 13 18:51:03 * johnx shrugs Jul 13 18:51:27 I think the placement is particular, not the timing. Jul 13 18:51:36 It's gotta be on the text Jul 13 18:51:53 it's a short timeout though Jul 13 18:52:09 that distinguishes between double-tap and two single-taps Jul 13 18:52:35 A little, but no worse than a double-click. Jul 13 18:53:06 * RST38h is marking all mail from joost as spam from now on Jul 13 18:53:21 it's different with a mouse, but what I'm saying is it's not inconceivable that people might genuinely think they have a problem Jul 13 18:54:24 Either way, the bug report's still, in all probability, INVALID. :P Jul 13 18:55:14 agreed Jul 13 19:01:33 johnx: i guess bme-dbus-proxy would still be a fitting name no matter if it's bme-dbus-proxy or the hald-addon Jul 13 19:01:48 errr...I guess Jul 13 19:02:37 that could get a little confusing though Jul 13 19:02:39 yeah, true Jul 13 19:03:02 based on the way things are now it would be hard to do it differently though Jul 13 19:03:14 we'd need logic for diablo fillin packages and chinook fillin else Jul 13 19:03:43 and the simple script becomes more complicated... Jul 13 19:04:19 yep Jul 13 19:04:47 what are you discussing anyway? (sorry) Jul 13 19:04:52 RST38h, nit-debian Jul 13 19:04:59 no apology needed Jul 13 19:05:02 :D Jul 13 19:05:51 ah Jul 13 19:15:15 johnx: i guess logic in installer for diablo-only vs chinook-only packages would be the cleanest way.. and having a list of those in config.py Jul 13 19:15:26 there's only two entry points for base packages anyway Jul 13 19:15:39 I was thinking different sub-dirs, but I've always been a shell scripter Jul 13 19:16:13 different sub-dirs as in? Jul 13 19:16:39 nit-base-packages/diablo/diablo-specific-package-foo Jul 13 19:17:24 it's the same difference no matter how you organize it, whether in a config file or on the filesystem Jul 13 19:20:47 mm, i really should refactor the package installation a bit Jul 13 19:21:26 some of the logic belongs better in a DEBIAN/nit-fetch-depends or something Jul 13 19:22:17 this is getting close to apt levels of functionality... Jul 13 19:22:39 i did consider porting debian-installer (official one) for a couple of seconds ;) Jul 13 19:23:33 some type of middle ground might be ok, like generating a local apt repository Jul 13 19:23:47 yeah, was just thinking the same Jul 13 19:24:19 Is there a problem with the chinook repo? A package from me got promoted yesterday, is in extras with time 12.07.2008 23:20 but the Contents-armel.gz stays on 11.07.2008 16:56 Jul 13 19:27:05 .. and ofcourse apt-utils in maemo doesn't have apt-ftparchive Jul 13 19:28:17 johnx: could i get you to commit the fixes you did? i'll do some refactoring to make things a little more flexible then Jul 13 19:28:48 can I just send you the patch this time? Jul 13 19:29:16 yep Jul 13 19:29:21 alright Jul 13 20:00:48 can i go on strike until garage takes less than 45 seconds to load a page? >_> Jul 13 20:01:11 * GAN800 crosses fingers for August. Jul 13 20:01:55 GAN800: as soon as I can get to garage to upload the files to autobuilder, and then it goes thru that, and then is moved to -devel, i will have another version for you to try on 770 Jul 13 20:01:57 ... Jul 13 20:02:03 so, i'll talk to you next week :P Jul 13 20:02:15 Optimist. Jul 13 20:03:04 wow, w3m literally timed out after receiving a few bytes of the page in 2 minutes Jul 13 20:03:23 new version on its way? Jul 13 20:03:32 yes Jul 13 20:03:38 will possibly not crash maybe hopefully :P Jul 13 20:03:48 lol Jul 13 20:04:06 oh i forgot to do the other part of the fix.... Jul 13 20:04:06 sec Jul 13 20:26:04 hey? Jul 13 20:26:18 how's it going? Jul 13 20:27:18 Hello Jul 13 20:27:20 I'm having a problem with Maemo Mapper Jul 13 20:27:46 how can I reset it so it picks up the GPS on the 810 Jul 13 20:27:53 boon: we are all gonna die! Jul 13 20:28:06 Bluetooth, no MAC Jul 13 20:28:10 now to your question... Jul 13 20:28:17 right now it's just searching and searching Jul 13 20:28:52 what ga said - bluetooth gps with no device name (not mac) Jul 13 20:29:08 do you see gps status icon? Jul 13 20:30:04 it pops in and out Jul 13 20:31:36 no, do you see little satellite icon at the upper screen edge? Jul 13 20:31:59 no, I do not Jul 13 20:32:48 what do you have in maemo mapper gps settings? Jul 13 20:33:31 File Path /dev/pgps Jul 13 20:34:21 remove file path Jul 13 20:34:34 clear it Jul 13 20:34:44 and try again Jul 13 20:35:32 it then ask's me to specifify a GPS file pathname Jul 13 20:36:05 This is a fairly awesome setting for finger usage: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Layout.scrollbar.side Jul 13 20:36:14 a moment Jul 13 20:37:08 k Jul 13 20:37:36 hey General Jul 13 20:37:44 boon: go to settings->gps and select bluetooth Jul 13 20:38:07 why bluetooth? Jul 13 20:38:09 there is an argument field - keep it clear Jul 13 20:38:21 I don't have an external GPS Jul 13 20:38:27 just do it Jul 13 20:38:42 okay :p Jul 13 20:39:28 ah, there we go :) Jul 13 20:39:36 thanks a lot! Jul 13 20:39:46 ga: tired of right sided scrollbar in microb? Jul 13 20:40:20 are there any cheap but decent external gps transponders? Jul 13 20:40:37 boon: you shall now return to contemplating the oncoming end of the world. Jul 13 20:41:12 RST38bis, it's way too tight against the side of the screen, hard to hit with a finger. Jul 13 20:41:21 Gotta wedge your thumb in there really tight. Jul 13 20:41:26 :'( Jul 13 20:42:05 General, I get by using the edge of my nail Jul 13 20:42:08 works fine Jul 13 20:42:15 ga: there is a setting to make it thicker Jul 13 20:42:39 boon: scratches screen like crazy Jul 13 20:42:59 naa, no scratches Jul 13 20:43:02 boon, yeah, I have, too, for the last 2 years. ;) Jul 13 20:43:06 mixing soft dirty fingers and hard nail edges leaves you scratchign the grit Jul 13 20:43:12 RST38bis, the wide scrollbar is _too_ wide Jul 13 20:43:18 and renders broken. Jul 13 20:43:27 this screen is very resistant Jul 13 20:43:31 true Jul 13 20:44:01 well I don't have dirty fingers Jul 13 20:44:05 boon: there is always a refutation for such statements Jul 13 20:44:08 nor messed up nails Jul 13 20:44:32 works well for me Jul 13 20:44:45 rst, yea I know Jul 13 20:45:48 * GeneralAntilles can't remember how to make snav die. Jul 13 20:50:49 GeneralAntilles: didn't i make a package for that? Jul 13 20:51:08 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb Jul 13 20:51:21 Yeah, it didn't seem to do anything to snav, though. Jul 13 20:51:27 I probably had the browser open or something Jul 13 20:51:28 It's fixed now. Jul 13 20:52:42 ga <- serial xchat window-mangler Jul 13 20:55:31 andre___, that is seriously the most awesome email ever, isn't it? :P Jul 13 20:56:36 GeneralAntilles, no :-) Jul 13 20:56:45 that happens all the time, e.g. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542607#c2 two days ago Jul 13 20:58:49 lol Jul 13 20:59:31 though that was today, not two days ago. totally lost in time and space because of travelling... Jul 13 21:00:19 that'll teach you to steal a tardis Jul 13 21:01:21 Oh, andre___, I've got an incredibly useful thread that you need to read. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21794 Jul 13 21:02:06 ah, thanks a ton Jul 13 21:02:23 wanted to grab through last days' ITT threads tomorrow morning :) Jul 13 21:02:43 Don't bother. Jul 13 21:02:47 nothing worthwhile. Jul 13 21:03:22 hey, i like arguing :-D Jul 13 21:03:43 but not tonight, got a flu and need sleep :) see you! Jul 13 21:04:08 'night Jul 13 21:10:05 Aloha! Jul 13 21:11:11 hi Jul 13 21:27:51 any good sketch apps for maemo? (not maemopad+) Jul 13 21:28:05 liqbase? :P Jul 13 21:28:13 ^ Jul 13 21:28:31 or Xournal Jul 13 21:29:20 * lcuk seconds GeneralAntilles's suggestion Jul 13 21:29:24 xournal it is then. Jul 13 21:30:10 ~lart garage for its slowness Jul 13 21:30:11 * infobot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to garage, and goes postal for its slowness Jul 13 21:30:29 * lcuk cries at a lost sale Jul 13 21:30:36 call for translators: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/*checkout*/trunk/adv-backlight/po/advanced-backlight.pot?root=adv-backlight&rev=91 Jul 13 21:30:54 adv-backlight is i18n now :) Jul 13 21:31:04 nice Jul 13 21:31:07 lcuk: lost sale? Jul 13 21:31:29 yer, i lost £0.00 cos RST38bis went with xournal :P Jul 13 21:31:52 RST38bis, have you tried liqbase yet? Jul 13 21:31:55 heh, oh Jul 13 21:32:09 german translation is done, but suggestions for improvement are welcome. Jul 13 21:32:19 nahhh GeneralAntilles the sketch app wont be ready till the summit, but as a pencil thing its quicker than anything Jul 13 21:32:34 hehe, lcuk, how's the debianization going ? Jul 13 21:32:48 RST38bis: mypaint, no contest: http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/04/04/transformative-apps-for-the-internet-tablet/ Jul 13 21:33:09 lcuk: actually you are getting 0.00 as i am getting liqbase src;) Jul 13 21:33:18 its great qwerty12_N800 :D not i have maybe 3/25 goals achieved :P Jul 13 21:33:31 cool rst :) Jul 13 21:33:35 ga: yep. but it is more of a demo Jul 13 21:33:43 lcuk will be rich by tomorrow if he gets 0.00$ from everyone Jul 13 21:33:51 w00t Jul 13 21:34:19 RST38bis, you are right, its just a demo for now - however every sketch stored will be used later Jul 13 21:34:24 pupnik: can't stand mypaint - it is not hildonized at all :( Jul 13 21:34:38 mypaint is pretty awesome Jul 13 21:34:43 ive been porting something quite cool Jul 13 21:35:18 mypaint would be nice if it had decent ui... Jul 13 21:35:24 * qwerty12_N800 would <3 for openut Jul 13 21:35:25 like what? Jul 13 21:35:46 lcuk: wine?=] Jul 13 21:35:48 the mypaint ui is the keyboard Jul 13 21:36:02 pupnik, with all these paint programs, you have mentioned in the past the stylus strokes occasionally join together - it happens in liqbase as well in powersave mode: on performance they go away and everything is quicker: try knocking your cpu to performance and see if mypaint is smoother Jul 13 21:36:11 mypaint could use some cool edge pallets. Jul 13 21:36:36 or something similar Jul 13 21:37:10 RST38bis, well ive got 800 pencil sketches (and growing) mostly with notes and writing on them: a damned good sample size for hwr Jul 13 21:37:14 lcuk: mypaint is cpu hungry due to the alpha blending brushes, and the ghost lines bug has been fixed afaik Jul 13 21:37:24 not sure if plain edge palettes would work well in maemo - too small screen estate Jul 13 21:37:36 Somebody needs to get it into Extras. Jul 13 21:37:46 pupnik, but if it was running even faster it may be even betterer Jul 13 21:38:10 mypaint is written in python? Jul 13 21:38:23 * qwerty12_N800 hopes not Jul 13 21:38:32 lcuk, you have to suid the app to enable performance mode yes? Jul 13 21:38:33 RST38bis, I'm thinking something like, having semi-circles on the edge of the screen that you tap to bring out, then select your color/brush and it goes away. Jul 13 21:38:33 it could be: but with a canvas in c Jul 13 21:38:40 it is. Jul 13 21:38:42 Somebody made a mockup in the thread. Jul 13 21:38:45 GeneralAntilles: i made sketches for that Jul 13 21:38:57 ga: my thought exactly Jul 13 21:38:57 Yeah, I really like that idea. Jul 13 21:39:10 if liqbase is setup and run as root once you change to performance it stays until you reboot or change down for the whole system Jul 13 21:39:17 numpty works better like that :D Jul 13 21:39:18 ga: like pull-down ribbons Jul 13 21:39:28 http://pupnik.de/mypaint_quikUI_01anim.gif Jul 13 21:39:53 I love that concept. Jul 13 21:40:05 pupnik, speaking of boobie pictures, did your search for a new model go well? Jul 13 21:40:20 umgh Jul 13 21:40:35 eh um... actually met someone who'd fit the bill but can't find her number :P Jul 13 21:40:59 but RST38bis is right - myspace needs ui work Jul 13 21:41:03 i mean mypaint Jul 13 21:41:04 jott: hey, have you seen microsoft's translation table? Jul 13 21:41:06 it's really handy Jul 13 21:41:08 liqbase project has not releas d any files:( Jul 13 21:41:13 lol myspace needs disconnecting Jul 13 21:41:43 better have something in svn still :P Jul 13 21:41:49 https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 Jul 13 21:42:02 timely: uhm no.. *googles* Jul 13 21:42:28 Ha Jul 13 21:42:42 The Garage scm stats tracker is still a bit broken, I see. Jul 13 21:42:47 timely: still the last warning message should be quite impossible to translate with any automatic tool ;) Jul 13 21:42:57 RST38bis, i would release something if i could get the package to build, but my foo is severly lacking in this dept Jul 13 21:43:26 lcuk: need a blank project? Jul 13 21:43:39 im about 80% there Jul 13 21:44:18 im calling dpkg_buildpackage and have got it building and skipping the clean stage (dont ask) but its now failing at make install step Jul 13 21:44:34 timely: where is this table? /me is too stupid Jul 13 21:44:37 my makefile lacks entries and tbh i think it would fail if i just copied the file in there Jul 13 21:44:46 you can use my colem or fmsx project if you wish - makefiles, packaging, etc Jul 13 21:45:06 might be a good idea to have a proper clean look at, where are they? Jul 13 21:46:06 fms.komkon.org Jul 13 21:46:06 I really dumbed it down though. No fancy crap. Jul 13 21:48:14 RST38bis, everything in: fMSX351.zip is latest (even though maemo ver is 353 ? Jul 13 21:48:41 yes Jul 13 21:48:55 RST38bis: http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ the "available" link is a 404 should be ...ColEm..zip not ...Colem....zip Jul 13 21:49:02 hi there Jul 13 21:49:07 hey GNUton Jul 13 21:49:17 hey jott :) Jul 13 21:49:18 shit. will fix Jul 13 21:50:17 lol jott :) do you run to the nearest phone box, change into your "internet superhero" and help everyone? Jul 13 21:50:42 lcuk: psst this must be kept secret! Jul 13 21:51:01 (and if i knew any language other than english i wouldv spoken up earlier) Jul 13 21:51:09 unless you need a Mancunian translation Jul 13 21:51:16 lcuk: Maemo/Package for packaging Jul 13 21:51:27 haha Jul 13 21:51:50 omg my eyes are watering !!! Jul 13 21:51:50 well if you can set the device locale to this, why not ;) Jul 13 21:52:00 EMULib/Rules.Maemo for makefile defs Jul 13 21:53:42 i thought .debs needed a /debian folder Jul 13 21:53:47 * lcuk is even more confused now Jul 13 21:53:59 there is one Jul 13 21:54:16 underneath Jul 13 21:55:09 ColEm25-Source.zip Jul 13 21:59:43 lcuk: is it clear enough? Jul 13 22:01:15 hmm, people. Do people have a problem when flying with their tablet? I mean, complying with rules, I should turn it off during takeoff and landing, and then it's gonna play the nokia tune when I boot it up again :) Jul 13 22:01:22 not really, i see nothing to do with packaging nor installing Jul 13 22:01:39 hmm. maybe just remember to have the earphones plugged in. Jul 13 22:01:46 your makefiles in ColEm25-Source.zip remind me of mine (but you are spread over a few subfolders) Jul 13 22:02:32 (yah, of course I leave it in offline mode :) Jul 13 22:02:49 veggen, slide lock make it go off before they ask you, when they DO ask if they see it, just show them the blank dead screen. also in the airport put it in offline more Jul 13 22:03:39 some guy had a laptop on the plane and just wanted to shut the lid, the steward made him fully off it, he had some major annoying logout (and logback in later) tune Jul 13 22:04:23 lcuk: I just shut it off, and remember to put my earplug in before booting, then noone will hear the nokia tune and believe it's a phone ;) Jul 13 22:04:52 lol Jul 13 22:04:55 I've never had a problem. Jul 13 22:05:02 you never know. Jul 13 22:05:26 You gotta disable the WiFi before you turn it on, right? Jul 13 22:05:31 yes. Jul 13 22:05:33 can you change that tune for a silent sample? Jul 13 22:05:35 How do you do that? Jul 13 22:05:48 robink: you have to do it before you turn it off :) Jul 13 22:05:50 quick press the power button and select offline mode from the menu Jul 13 22:05:55 lcuk: i have to have multiple folders for all the pkatforms Jul 13 22:06:01 Veggen, lcuk: Ah Jul 13 22:06:21 RST38h, 100% understand that, but what i cannot see is the packaging side of things Jul 13 22:07:00 lcuk: ColEm/Maemo/Package/package Jul 13 22:07:12 when i build a package with dpkg_buildpackage it does everything and makes my software, then i assume it attempts to "install" my software inside the package in the correct folder layout. what is missing from my makefile is the install section Jul 13 22:07:34 correct Jul 13 22:07:37 only 2 files there, maemo.c and makefile Jul 13 22:07:56 no Package dir? Jul 13 22:08:02 http://fms.komkon.org/ColEm/ColEm25-Source.zip Jul 13 22:08:19 ok, turned it off, then topping the battery to make it last as long as possible of the travel. Jul 13 22:08:28 super- jott, does what i say fit with whats actually happening Jul 13 22:08:31 2*1h45 min plane plus a couple of hours train. Jul 13 22:08:51 veggen - take screen and turn it down 2 notches Jul 13 22:08:52 Should make quite a bit of italian language podcasts to brush up my italian :) Jul 13 22:09:07 i can last all day reading sketching compiling numptying and playing Jul 13 22:09:21 lcuk: check fmsx then Jul 13 22:09:23 on performance cpu Jul 13 22:09:46 there should be a Maemo/Package dir Jul 13 22:09:57 I plan to listen to language podcasts. Only one week in italy this time, I need a little cheating to get better in italian while there ;) Jul 13 22:09:58 similar i believe but that has the added problem that source is 351 but maemo package is 353 Jul 13 22:10:12 naah Jul 13 22:10:24 not even a maemo folder Jul 13 22:10:32 http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/fMSX351.zip Jul 13 22:10:35 it had packaging from the start Jul 13 22:10:56 fMSX/Maemo Jul 13 22:11:19 does not exist Jul 13 22:11:48 roms and unix are 2 subfolders, i think your webserver is out of sync with your local is all Jul 13 22:12:04 nm for now :) ill grab again when you update Jul 13 22:12:26 i only wanted a quick peek anyways Jul 13 22:13:12 weird, maybe i did not include it? but why? Jul 13 22:13:41 i'd simply say it was last updated before your maemo burst - and if you have uploaded them you have uploaded to somewhere else Jul 13 22:13:48 * robink emerges xorg-server with the kdrive USE flag set Jul 13 22:15:08 all roght. bedtime. Jul 13 22:26:12 pupnik, the ghostline fix he put in is time based, very clever but could cause a wanted stroke to actually be joined and can actually still occur if your writing speed is high Jul 13 22:27:00 mind you, its not geared for writing - drawing speed Jul 13 22:41:26 howdy. is there any app for maemo that would somehow allow tracking externally where the device is located, using google maps or something similar? Jul 13 22:41:41 theres a map built in Jul 13 22:41:47 and theres maemo mapper Jul 13 22:42:10 i think he means uploading current position somewhere on the web or email Jul 13 22:42:10 I really mean externally, requiring somekind of server support Jul 13 22:42:11 maemo mapper allows downloads from different map providers and can (i believe) import routes from google maps Jul 13 22:42:15 fatal-, set up gpsd to allow remote connections. Jul 13 22:42:58 of course somekind of ssh or wget hack might work, just leeching the location from gpsd.. Jul 13 22:42:59 ahhhh fatal,no but i doubt it would be difficult to setup a script to run and push latest gps position Jul 13 22:43:17 there was a discussion today on itT Jul 13 22:43:33 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21805 Jul 13 22:43:36 get some ideas from there Jul 13 22:43:53 it was for a "call home occasionally incase i get stolen" idea Jul 13 22:44:54 all you have to find is a service which will log and plot and display some points Jul 13 22:45:09 a mini mashup using google maps api should work nicely on basically any webserver Jul 13 22:46:14 Be cool if that lojack app would get off the ground. Jul 13 22:46:46 ive given a lot of thought to this myself - when i went checking the camera though the red warning light came on Jul 13 22:47:08 that was directly through gstreamer so it would need hacking lower down to remove that problem Jul 13 22:47:56 GeneralAntilles, i wonder if we could have a small amount of data space per user account on maemo.org Jul 13 22:48:02 lcuk: well, I guess I'll try out a little hack then.. Jul 13 22:48:10 a private field on the user account for "Last GPS location" Jul 13 22:48:32 that way we can just push and update to there and we know its basically online Jul 13 22:48:54 fatal-, :) if you get something up that works with google maps it would be interesting to see Jul 13 22:50:21 with the google api, can you get it reading your mail? Jul 13 22:50:29 * lcuk is pondering outloud Jul 13 22:50:38 lcuk, somebody already did a page like that. Jul 13 22:50:43 Sometime last year. Jul 13 22:50:57 what a gps/google mashup? Jul 13 22:51:39 Yeah Jul 13 22:51:44 fantastic speeches from the CCC congress: http://chaosradio.ccc.de/24c3_m4v.html (hacker conference) Jul 13 22:51:51 german/english Jul 13 22:52:12 http://conversationswithmyself.com/maps/tracker/gmapTracker.html Jul 13 22:52:53 Somebody should figure out all this gpsd stuff and put up a wiki page. Jul 13 22:53:11 GeneralAntilles, :) you are a star Jul 13 22:53:22 ive grabbed that and will see what i can mash it into Jul 13 22:53:35 whether anything comes of it before the summit is another thing Jul 13 22:53:42 Hehe Jul 13 22:54:00 its saved in my folder for when i get time :) Jul 13 23:06:09 what might be the "right" way to get the location info on an n810? navicore-gpsd-helper gives me nothing and trying to follow /dev/pgps seems to cause problems Jul 13 23:11:22 gpsd doesn't have great documentation. . . . Jul 13 23:14:41 garage doesn't like about me right now, slow as a snail Jul 13 23:19:33 Ehehe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3447 Jul 13 23:27:51 <|tbb|> is there an application available to launch programs from hildondesktop Jul 13 23:29:39 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/personal-launch/ Jul 13 23:31:53 <|tbb|> thx Jul 13 23:34:57 lol GeneralAntilles i buried myself in my profile \o/ Jul 13 23:35:15 lol Jul 13 23:35:35 the icon looked like a comment icon so i clicked it, now im bolloxed Jul 13 23:37:00 yesterday I asked if anyone knew of any cheap phones that work with t-mobile's $20 plan for pairing with the n800, after no response, I guess I will ask does anyone know of a phone that simply works with t-mobile's $20 internet plan. Jul 13 23:37:17 + pairing Jul 13 23:37:48 yigal, i dont know the first thing about phones, have you considered taking your 800 into a shop with you and talking it through with the phone guy Jul 13 23:38:17 no one ever knows anything in a t-mobile shop you know that Jul 13 23:38:21 if the guy in the first shop doesnt know about pairing and whether it can work (and possibly show you) then go to the next Jul 13 23:38:28 then try a different shop Jul 13 23:38:34 you dont have to buy, just sound interested Jul 13 23:38:59 once you find a model or range that suits you are away Jul 13 23:39:15 ok Jul 13 23:39:18 just tell them its a computer and you need to connect like a laptop Jul 13 23:39:36 otherwise they will see nokia and just think its phone to phone and will be confused Jul 13 23:39:54 they looked blankly at mine when i went in for a memory card Jul 13 23:40:08 "wow, thats a neat phone" says the guy behind the counter Jul 13 23:40:23 how the hell do you tell the phone guy your nokia isnt a phone Jul 13 23:40:49 anyway, i digress, im goin back to code :) Jul 13 23:40:53 "It's not a phone" Jul 13 23:41:06 but its a nokia Jul 13 23:41:40 "Yeah?! Well ur uh hooker!" Jul 13 23:41:41 I have been able to pair my blackberry pearl with a laptop because of barry, a minimal set of mostly command line tools for using blackberry but the nokia doesn't have this so this is why I have to find something that does work Jul 13 23:42:00 s/tools/tools with linux/ Jul 13 23:42:00 yigal meant: I have been able to pair my blackberry pearl with a laptop because of barry, a minimal set of mostly command line tools with linux for using blackberry but the nokia doesn't have this so this is why I have to find something that does work Jul 13 23:42:08 most phones do actually work from what i can gather Jul 13 23:42:16 that is a good thing Jul 13 23:42:23 you could have a look if theres anyone with lists on internettablettalk Jul 13 23:43:04 I've been typing in searches via google and get back blackberries, palms, etc. but I need something pretty cheap approx $200 at most Jul 13 23:43:24 without the 2year plan "discount" Jul 13 23:43:30 owell this is off topic thanks lcuk Jul 13 23:45:45 well hopefully http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21582 has something Jul 13 23:47:33 omg a whole phone list for you Jul 13 23:47:34 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/BluetoothDUN/ Jul 13 23:47:54 ew old Jul 13 23:48:15 wheres the new one then :P Jul 13 23:48:19 ah I see yes, the link is even in the thread :) Jul 13 23:48:26 lcuk, isn't one. Jul 13 23:48:28 GeneralAntilles: always has the latest Jul 13 23:48:54 well I want old actually, most likely a bit cheaper Jul 13 23:52:42 looks like the razr is not such a bad thing kind of cheap, and small - I don't plan to use it. Jul 13 23:53:01 other than use it as a modem Jul 14 00:29:01 interesting just talked to t-mobile - asked for the techs. right away - and they will be bringing in 3g tech. in half a year, so the choice for the phone has been changed a bit Jul 14 00:45:46 lcuk, ping Jul 14 00:54:37 can someone help me with the following error: Jul 14 00:54:39 home/maemo/afs/dpkg/diablo-1.4.7/openafs-1.4.7/build/src/pinstall/pinstall libprocmgmt.a /home/maemo/afs/dpkg/diablo-1.4.7/openafs-1.4.7/build/lib/libprocmgmt.a Jul 14 00:54:41 libfakeroot: FAKEROOTKEY not defined in environment Jul 14 00:54:42 Bad exit code from /bin/cp: 256 Jul 14 00:54:43 Could not open output temp file ``/home/maemo/afs/dpkg/diablo-1.4.7/openafs-1.4.7/build/lib/libprocmgmt.a.maemo-sdk'': No such file or directory Jul 14 01:56:34 So why is OGG support held up again? Jul 14 01:56:47 I've been wracking my brains trying to think of possible legal issues with it. Jul 14 01:57:41 Because lawyers are evil. Jul 14 01:58:53 :( Jul 14 02:00:57 Huh? Jul 14 02:02:24 yigal: I use a cheap cell phone with t-mobile's (usa) unlimited data plan Jul 14 02:02:24 * robink wants to be able to play his OGG music collection :( Jul 14 02:02:45 Me, too - I just do not understand G.A.'s flippant remark. Jul 14 02:02:57 Er, what's not to understand? Jul 14 02:03:00 Lawyers are evil. Jul 14 02:03:22 robink: There is a package you can install to enable Ogg Vorbis functionality Jul 14 02:03:50 m-c: my previous phone was a v330 that got dumped in water, I changed service to unlimited just now and the v330 has come back to life :) Jul 14 02:03:58 m-c: Which one? Jul 14 02:04:21 m-c: I didn't even think it worked, and now it it's giving me an ssh connection :) Jul 14 02:04:57 GeneralAntilles thinks it is better to have corporations trounce all over citizen with no access to lawyers. Jul 14 02:05:15 lol Jul 14 02:05:22 Alright-y then Jul 14 02:05:27 yigal: Their plan and connections are really good, but they do not have the fastest networks. Jul 14 02:05:37 m-c, don't read into stupid remarks too much. Jul 14 02:05:45 ;-) okay Jul 14 02:06:09 Anyyyywaay Jul 14 02:06:11 * GeneralAntilles goes down for a restart. Jul 14 02:06:39 m-c: I realize, I'm stuck with them until may 09, but having an internet connection is realy important of any sort, so I'm releaved it worked Jul 14 02:06:59 m-c: Which package? Jul 14 02:07:02 Regarding Ogg, I am sure I am not the only one who bought this NIT especially as a portable Ogg Vorbis player. Jul 14 02:07:14 robink: If I knew, I would have told you Jul 14 02:07:16 m-c: Ah. Jul 14 02:07:27 m-c: they claim they will have 3g working throughout the entire US by the end of 08, so we'll see Jul 14 02:07:30 m-c: mogg is in the chinook repository, but it doesn't seem to work with Media Player. Jul 14 02:07:44 yigal: Problem is that most of their phones do not support it Jul 14 02:07:50 m-c: of course my cheap phone won't work at that point, :( Jul 14 02:07:54 m-c: yes, exactly Jul 14 02:08:19 On the plus side, they block no ports and have no caps Jul 14 02:08:50 m-c: can't say no to that :) Jul 14 02:08:59 I like getting my monthly statement and seeing hundreds of megs downloaded. Jul 14 02:09:14 m-c: :), I like the no blocking ports part Jul 14 02:09:22 m-c: personally Jul 14 02:09:27 m-c: this is good Jul 14 02:09:37 I believe it is the only cellular carrier to give you all the ports Jul 14 02:09:50 not that I follow it that closely Jul 14 02:10:27 m-c: which carrier? My Sprint SERO plan gives me all the ports Jul 14 02:10:31 m-c: all I know is that at&t and sprint are faster than dsl, but as long as I can get my email, and ssh I'm happy Jul 14 02:11:26 yigal: I use my t-mobile data connection to write emails to the airports, while I wait for a plane, explaining what a rip off their $8 Internet fees are for travelers. Jul 14 02:11:40 m-c: that rocks Jul 14 02:11:57 Yeah, worth the monthly cost right there. Jul 14 02:12:48 m-c: well I downloaded maemo's wget so I better start using it, I know I can't cetch up to your x00M bytes of data but I'll do my best this month Jul 14 02:13:23 Keep striving for the record! ;) Jul 14 02:16:54 I bought a f-f usb adapter and am having some trouble getting it to work with anything. The usb control app keeps saying the control is idle and doesn't update when I switch modes. Jul 14 02:19:02 does anyone know about the repository for kismet (nokia n800 diablo) ? i dont see it on maemo.org. Thanks. Jul 14 02:23:20 mouser: have you run dmesg to see the last few usb mesages? Jul 14 02:23:47 No, not yet Jul 14 02:24:44 HVACengi: do I run that with any parameters? Jul 14 02:25:10 i just ran it from the command line and had the same symtoms, with a permision denied error, but it works fine off the menu. Jul 14 02:25:40 you can just run "dmesg" at the prompt right after trying to change modes Jul 14 02:25:48 ok Jul 14 02:31:28 HVACengi: How many lines do you need? Jul 14 02:33:42 good question... let me check mine Jul 14 02:35:37 i have 7 lines refering to usb and hub Jul 14 02:36:14 HVACengi: Did you get my PM? Jul 14 02:37:46 yerga, Jul 14 02:37:47 yerga, don't you have editbugs? Jul 14 02:37:56 no no Jul 14 02:38:29 Talk to timeless, andre, or karsten about that. You should. :P Jul 14 02:38:59 I will do someday Jul 14 02:39:08 I am just learning about bugzilla Jul 14 02:47:09 * GAN800 really wants that mediawiki Bugzilla plugin. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 14 02:59:56 2008