**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 17 02:59:57 2008 Jul 17 04:11:41 Could somebody tell me what the trick is to get a USB mouse working under Diablo (N810)? I'm hoping to gain some hint as to how to do it under Debian. Thanks Jul 17 04:12:26 %t Jul 17 04:12:41 ??? Jul 17 04:12:57 newbie Jul 17 04:13:18 as in I'm a newbie Jul 17 04:13:23 an Jul 17 04:13:25 *ah Jul 17 04:16:49 Is there a problem, then? Jul 17 04:17:39 no, I thought I was sending a command to the server Jul 17 04:18:00 lol Jul 17 04:18:59 did your dmesg say anything interesting? Jul 17 04:20:40 It mostly just detected a moust. There was the quirk that when you took it out and put it back in, it moved from //dev/input/inputn to /dev/input/inputn+1, then n+2, etc. Jul 17 04:20:51 I suspect it's an Xomap bug Jul 17 04:20:55 or problem Jul 17 04:21:50 maybe you have to prove /dev/input = /dev/inputn+1 first ;) Jul 17 04:22:13 Woops... Jul 17 04:22:28 * Capn_Fish writes long, drawn out mathematical formula Jul 17 04:22:38 ...and as you can see, they are the same. Jul 17 04:24:28 Does anybody know how it works under Maemo? Jul 17 04:24:55 I'm guessing that it may take an Xomap rebuild Jul 17 04:25:30 GeneralAntilles: GAN800: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb Jul 17 04:25:57 should auto fix permissions issues Jul 17 04:26:12 i think you may need to reboot, but test to see :P Jul 17 04:26:59 770? Jul 17 04:27:03 yes Jul 17 04:27:04 It's still in my backpack Jul 17 04:27:07 GET IT Jul 17 04:27:08 >_< Jul 17 04:27:13 worth it now :P Jul 17 04:28:29 rm_you: 13-5? you guys are fast and furious Jul 17 04:28:47 daperl: this is basically my full-time occupation ATM >_> Jul 17 04:28:50 lol Jul 17 04:29:27 this one has a couple of your patches in it :) Jul 17 04:30:19 Does anybody even have a USB mouse working? Jul 17 04:30:50 are things running well? Jul 17 04:31:04 Me? Jul 17 04:31:17 yeah Jul 17 04:31:19 err Jul 17 04:31:22 sorry, rm_you Jul 17 04:31:25 yeah :P Jul 17 04:31:31 np Jul 17 04:31:56 decided not to use the threaded queuing for the volume though, as it made it jump oddly Jul 17 04:32:00 but works great for brightness Jul 17 04:32:18 and 770 support should be complete Jul 17 04:32:55 really? it just has an initial pause Jul 17 04:33:06 the 1st time only Jul 17 04:33:34 no, it literally made the bar jump oddly Jul 17 04:33:41 if you moved it back and forth Jul 17 04:33:51 probably due to gconf updates Jul 17 04:34:01 err, GConfNotifyFunc stuff Jul 17 04:34:44 i no opped debug Jul 17 04:35:18 ? Jul 17 04:36:07 i #defined debug to a no op function Jul 17 04:36:50 also, i think you're suppose to use async dbus communication Jul 17 04:38:04 morning Capn_Fish Jul 17 04:38:11 hrm Jul 17 04:38:19 daperl: can you test the latest? Jul 17 04:38:37 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb Jul 17 04:38:50 before I promote it Jul 17 04:38:58 I think it seems to be working very well Jul 17 04:39:20 Stskeeps: Or good night :P Jul 17 04:39:29 i can't seem to copy in xchat Jul 17 04:39:45 I was just asking about getting a USB mouse working (how else am I supposed to play Marathon?) Jul 17 04:40:28 never mind, i got it Jul 17 04:41:09 GeneralAntilles: eh? Jul 17 04:41:18 It's in my backpack Jul 17 04:41:22 I'll test it later. Jul 17 04:41:28 >_< Jul 17 04:41:30 I want to promote it Jul 17 04:41:34 ASAP Jul 17 04:41:47 it'll take you like 30 seconds to go get it >_> Jul 17 04:42:05 Capn_Fish: either way, coffee is the solution .. with mouse, doesnt it make sense that it's some HAL thing? Jul 17 04:42:13 No it wont Jul 17 04:42:14 More. Jul 17 04:42:17 Backpack is in the car. Jul 17 04:42:18 45? :P Jul 17 04:42:20 gah Jul 17 04:42:31 Stskeeps: Well, it's recognized Jul 17 04:42:43 I think that Xomap just doesn't know how to use it Jul 17 04:42:46 the stuff i had in there for brightness label change isn't working Jul 17 04:42:57 car is in the shipping crate? shipping crate is in the atlantic on a freighter? :P Jul 17 04:43:32 Capn_Fish: do you have package x-nokia-keyboard-support? Jul 17 04:43:43 Nope. Jul 17 04:43:51 or /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi? Jul 17 04:43:54 Does that work/go under Debian? Jul 17 04:43:57 Oh, yeah Jul 17 04:43:59 I have that Jul 17 04:44:09 THat made the HW keyboard work Jul 17 04:44:16 you're right about the volume Jul 17 04:44:23 daperl: hrm let me see Jul 17 04:44:33 label is changing here Jul 17 04:44:38 you on 0.13-5? Jul 17 04:44:46 if you catch the release you don't Jul 17 04:45:01 ? Jul 17 04:45:03 need the other thread Jul 17 04:45:16 yes, 13-5 Jul 17 04:45:21 yeah Jul 17 04:45:27 Capn_Fish: the wiki page (on maemo.org) mentions something about a dbus permission error and refers to Xorg hotplugging Jul 17 04:45:28 both labels are updating perfectly here Jul 17 04:45:40 what i meant was Jul 17 04:45:42 Capn_Fish: try add the /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf thing from there Jul 17 04:46:10 it's not changing while i'm moving the bar Jul 17 04:46:21 Stskeeps: Add what? Jul 17 04:46:30 was it supposed to? I guess that would make a lot of sense Jul 17 04:46:34 I could fix that in a sec Jul 17 04:46:39 put it on a different event Jul 17 04:46:47 or rather, take it out of the queue Jul 17 04:46:50 yeah, it looks cool Jul 17 04:46:59 well, i'll push that to the next release Jul 17 04:47:06 we need SOMETHING to work on later, right? :P Jul 17 04:47:15 Capn_Fish: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#Building_and_installing_a_HAL-enabled_Xorg_server Jul 17 04:47:26 no, put it before the queue push Jul 17 04:49:05 anyway, you have stuff to work on Jul 17 04:49:22 those A's have to go! Jul 17 04:50:21 Stskeeps: So I'm supposed to add the stuff that's about 1/2 of the way down the page to /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf? Jul 17 04:50:35 take the 770 scalable icon and rotate it 3 times Jul 17 04:50:52 And does the current Xomap build have HAL support? Jul 17 04:51:03 that would look good Jul 17 04:52:36 daperl: as long as it isn't ambiguous Jul 17 04:52:58 daperl: you have a link to that icon? i'll grab it and do the first bits of work on that now Jul 17 04:53:29 let me take a look Jul 17 04:55:19 Stskeeps: Still here? Jul 17 04:56:11 /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_indi_nokia_770.png Jul 17 04:56:26 ah it is already on there Jul 17 04:57:05 Capn_Fish: the stuff after cat /etc/dbus-1/system/xorg-server.conf Jul 17 04:57:20 Stskeeps: OK Jul 17 04:57:23 did you slip that label change in there? Jul 17 04:57:27 I need to get some sleep now. Jul 17 04:57:29 Thanks a lot! Jul 17 04:57:46 I'll let you know how it goes (I updated the wiki a bit, BTW) Jul 17 04:57:51 you can just create a pixbuf with that and then use gtk functions to rotate it, yeah? Jul 17 04:58:35 yes? sure? :) Jul 17 04:59:00 probably gDk Jul 17 04:59:50 or gimp Jul 17 04:59:54 lol Jul 17 05:00:17 easier to just use the one icon that is already on the system and rotate it in software than to ship with 4 icon files >_> Jul 17 05:00:38 rather, ok... maybe not easier. definitely more efficient though :) Jul 17 05:01:18 my only concern would be if it wasn't a square Jul 17 05:01:38 :/ Jul 17 05:01:48 then i would have to fix in gimp and ship just one Jul 17 05:02:00 but i think it is... most all of their icons are square Jul 17 05:02:05 26x26/40x40 Jul 17 05:02:43 well, what would another 3 matter? :) Jul 17 05:02:54 just not necessary :) Jul 17 05:03:14 i agree Jul 17 05:04:28 here's a problem: Jul 17 05:05:16 the ABSA is on my 2nd row up top Jul 17 05:05:37 the menu goes below my screen Jul 17 05:07:14 maybe tighten it up vertically Jul 17 05:09:27 sorry, i'm pretty stupid Jul 17 05:09:43 ? Jul 17 05:10:00 i just got why you're using the "A"s Jul 17 05:10:16 at least choose a different letter Jul 17 05:10:18 yeah, you can just read it Jul 17 05:10:30 whichever way you rotate :P Jul 17 05:10:45 what's wrong with A? Jul 17 05:10:56 is B inherently better than A somehow? :P Jul 17 05:10:59 Alphabet wars! Jul 17 05:11:05 i thought you were using the A's as arrows Jul 17 05:11:53 lol Jul 17 05:13:08 yeah, rotating text makes more sense than rotating a device Jul 17 05:14:08 you need a nice, cursive ttf Jul 17 05:14:20 a lower case a Jul 17 05:22:12 possibly yes Jul 17 05:22:43 if you're not going to change the brightness Jul 17 05:23:13 until the release you can yank the other thread too Jul 17 05:23:58 anyone know of a media extender that can stream from an nfs share? Jul 17 05:24:12 i like that you don't change the brightness Jul 17 05:24:20 until the release Jul 17 05:26:50 i wouldn't release this if you don't fix the brightness label thing Jul 17 05:27:37 you would have an inconsistency between the 2 sliders Jul 17 05:28:01 i'm going to sleep Jul 17 05:32:18 i take it back, you should put the thread back in the volume stuff Jul 17 05:32:39 lol Jul 17 05:33:05 it's really smooth when you're in a media player Jul 17 05:33:32 it's too jerky the way you have it Jul 17 05:33:49 too many cooks :) Jul 17 05:35:13 ...and good night Jul 17 05:36:59 would anyone know if there's a way to control which dbus hcid connects to? Jul 17 05:47:26 rm_you: you still there? Jul 17 05:47:50 yes Jul 17 05:47:56 was afk for a bit Jul 17 05:48:06 it's really smooth when you're in a media player Jul 17 05:48:06 it's too jerky the way you have it Jul 17 05:48:07 ?? Jul 17 05:48:14 seems smooth in general to me Jul 17 05:48:24 all its doing is updating gconf <_< Jul 17 05:48:41 but it's blocking Jul 17 05:49:13 but you can complete 10+ gconf calls in a second <_< Jul 17 05:49:19 ~ Jul 17 05:49:51 it shouldnt impact performance Jul 17 05:50:23 it is a TINY bit less smooth than with the threading Jul 17 05:50:29 but with threading it jumps Jul 17 05:50:36 we think it is better this way Jul 17 05:50:44 listen to me Jul 17 05:51:18 i am :P you haven't really said anything yet Jul 17 05:51:38 you had a last gconf call that i commented out Jul 17 05:51:52 it made the difference Jul 17 05:52:09 try my demo Jul 17 05:52:17 send me the patch Jul 17 05:52:41 pastebin works Jul 17 05:53:49 can i do this tomorrow? Jul 17 05:53:56 err, k? Jul 17 05:54:04 i will be on Jul 17 05:54:19 going to push this to extras tonight though Jul 17 05:54:30 after I fix the label thing Jul 17 05:55:34 do problem, i just don't think you've felt the complete power of your battle station yet Jul 17 05:55:48 do -> no Jul 17 05:56:06 is that geeky enough for you? Jul 17 06:08:56 :P Jul 17 06:20:15 have someone used tablet-encode with subtitles? Jul 17 06:21:25 mplayer recognises subtitle files separately anyway. Jul 17 06:21:54 qwerty12: i want to stream them too :) Jul 17 06:22:06 the videos, that is Jul 17 06:22:10 Oh :) Jul 17 06:22:12 so i am basically using mediaserv Jul 17 06:22:35 mencoder should do the trick but somehow i havent managed to do that Jul 17 06:23:42 ah yes i do Jul 17 06:23:44 sec Jul 17 06:24:25 is it a separate subtitle file, or like, mkv with a subtitle stream? Jul 17 06:24:40 a separate file Jul 17 06:24:49 hrm Jul 17 06:25:02 you can do some magic if the file is named the same Jul 17 06:25:03 or Jul 17 06:25:07 so it should be basically -msubfile -mfile.srt Jul 17 06:25:08 sec, sorry, busy Jul 17 06:25:19 rm_you: yeah, that should work with mencoder Jul 17 06:25:32 that option is something like -sub-fuzziness or something Jul 17 06:42:16 hi, anyone awake? Jul 17 06:45:11 how do you flash and reboot using xterminal? Jul 17 06:49:37 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux/ Jul 17 06:53:24 I'm trying too add the rotate option, but I'm lost at the last step Jul 17 06:54:36 where its says '4. Open up "X-Terminal" and run flash-and-reboot.' Jul 17 06:55:01 5. enjoy! Jul 17 06:55:41 so you cant enjoy? :) Jul 17 06:55:54 thats out of this channels scope, i think Jul 17 06:59:07 What, no profit? Jul 17 06:59:11 no enjoying yet :'( Jul 17 07:01:06 lol Jul 17 07:01:15 sllab: just open the xterm on the device Jul 17 07:01:19 and type "sudo gainroot" Jul 17 07:01:24 and then "flash-and-reboot" Jul 17 07:02:06 thanks, rm Jul 17 07:02:33 Hi ! Jul 17 07:02:58 how do enable 'RD MODE' ? ...sorry :) Jul 17 07:03:13 hi, Khertan Jul 17 07:06:08 sllab: with the flasher Jul 17 07:06:17 but it's pointless, just install easyroot Jul 17 07:06:32 (unless you really need that nice changed logo ;P ) Jul 17 07:07:30 rm: so, i'm staring at the latest code, do want to hear the irony? At least I think it's irony. If you don't I won't bother. Jul 17 07:21:50 yawn Jul 17 07:24:23 okay *sigh* I've gain root Jul 17 07:24:39 but flash-and-reboot is not working Jul 17 07:40:55 morning Jul 17 07:42:30 'mornin hrw Jul 17 07:42:51 were you working on getting hildon stuff into poky? Jul 17 07:46:01 AStorm, forget easyroot Jul 17 07:46:04 easyroot sucks Jul 17 07:46:07 you want rootsh Jul 17 07:46:59 GeneralAntilles: It looks like work started for the mysql upgrade, so it is looking good for your plugin ;) Jul 17 07:47:53 GeneralAntilles: what is that? :) Jul 17 07:48:06 easyroot works fine, although I'd prefer sudo :> Jul 17 07:48:17 (yeah, I know, easy to configure) Jul 17 07:48:22 X-Fade, sweet, I'll get with andre and sjgadsby and bring the awesome. Jul 17 07:48:36 AStorm, qwerty12's version of easyroot that's in Extras Jul 17 07:48:45 So it's the new favored method for root access Jul 17 07:48:57 as it's in Extras and qwerty12's the man. ;) Jul 17 07:49:58 ~rootsh Jul 17 07:49:59 rumour has it, rootsh is Alex Paulo Laner - mailto: mailto:rootsh@noisemakers.org - São Paulo / Cerquilho - SP Jul 17 07:50:04 Pfft Jul 17 07:50:05 GeneralAntilles: yeah the bugjar can look a lot sweeter this way ;) Jul 17 07:50:36 X-Fade, I'm thinking this'll be a decent way to generate some overview pages without having to backport all of GNOME's bugzilla, too. Jul 17 07:50:56 I need to ask guenther about getting a couple more default searches. . . . Jul 17 07:51:18 Yeah, the plugin is still in active development. So there may come some more cool features for free ;) Jul 17 07:53:38 X-Fade: what's up w/ bug jar? Jul 17 07:54:28 timely, that's sjgadsby's domain. Jul 17 07:54:40 It's currently on -developers and itT Jul 17 07:54:43 what's the url to bug jar anyway? :) Jul 17 07:55:09 But I think he and I will be pushing it to the wiki with the new plugin Jul 17 07:55:29 timely, URL. ;) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2768&page=7 Jul 17 07:57:32 hey Jul 17 07:57:42 so I messed up somewhere Jul 17 07:58:06 I have the options to rotate the screen Jul 17 07:58:14 but it doesn't rotate Jul 17 07:58:19 well it does Jul 17 07:58:25 GeneralAntilles: confused Jul 17 07:58:29 just everything messes up Jul 17 07:58:37 is itt showing it in pieces, if so, why? Jul 17 07:58:49 the screen doesn't actually rotate Jul 17 07:59:03 timely, he breaks them up due to post-size limitations Jul 17 07:59:06 manga: n800? n810? Jul 17 07:59:11 heh Jul 17 07:59:18 johnx: I was Jul 17 07:59:30 rm, n810, diablo Jul 17 07:59:31 and to Thanks! whore, I think. . . . :D Jul 17 07:59:38 hrw, did you get anywhere? I'm working on modest Jul 17 07:59:48 lol Jul 17 08:00:08 manga: this is what i did to get it working: Jul 17 08:00:18 as root, in an xterm: Jul 17 08:00:32 wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz Jul 17 08:00:45 tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz Jul 17 08:00:56 cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb Jul 17 08:01:13 Missing kernel if everything rotates but is messed up. Jul 17 08:01:55 wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation Jul 17 08:02:47 wget http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel_flasher.tgz Jul 17 08:02:57 tar zxvf kernel_flasher.tgz Jul 17 08:03:04 Gen, and how do we fix the missing Kernal? Jul 17 08:03:13 ./kernel_flasher/kernel_flash zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation Jul 17 08:03:29 type yes when it asks, and then reboot Jul 17 08:04:14 rm_you. wtf? Jul 17 08:04:19 fiasco-flasher . . . . Jul 17 08:04:25 It's bundled.<_< Jul 17 08:04:28 Hi, dneary. Jul 17 08:04:33 i asked how to use that earlier, and no one responded :P so i used that Jul 17 08:04:44 it kept saying my image was broken Jul 17 08:04:47 rm_you, exactly like flasher-3.0 . . . . Jul 17 08:04:56 but it flashed fine with kernel_flasher Jul 17 08:05:07 johnx: I have base libraries and few components Jul 17 08:05:19 okay so do I follow rm's way? :) Jul 17 08:05:23 No. Jul 17 08:05:27 Use Nokia's flasher. Jul 17 08:05:32 either works Jul 17 08:05:36 I don't know what rm_you is doing wrong. Jul 17 08:05:36 it doesnt really matter Jul 17 08:05:39 but it's wrong Jul 17 08:05:46 and if it's not wrong, he should file a bug. :P Jul 17 08:05:50 Hi GeneralAntilles Jul 17 08:06:16 gen, where do I find the Nokia flasher? Jul 17 08:06:26 it is installed if you followed my... Jul 17 08:06:27 bah here Jul 17 08:06:27 manga, it's bundled Jul 17 08:06:31 i'll make it a ONELINER Jul 17 08:06:32 fiasco-flasher Jul 17 08:06:45 Run it with: Jul 17 08:06:54 fiasco-flasher -k -f Jul 17 08:07:19 wget http://www.ageofikon.info/rotation_support.tar.gz && tar xvzf rotation_support.tar.gz && cd Rotate && dpkg -i *.deb && wget http://www.ageofikon.info/zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation && fiasco-flasher -f -k zImage-qwerty-20080715-dsp+mmc+rotation Jul 17 08:07:55 happy now GA? Jul 17 08:08:05 lol Jul 17 08:08:14 kernel_flasher still does work fine, BTW, worked fine for years before fiasco-flasher, and nothing has changed Jul 17 08:08:35 Yes, but it's additional software that isn't bundled and isn't necessary anymore. Jul 17 08:08:39 it isn't WRONG, it's "sub-optimal" Jul 17 08:08:45 there's a difference Jul 17 08:09:14 easyroot also works fine, and has been around a lot longer than rootsh, but which one do you think I'm going to recommend? ;) Jul 17 08:09:24 recommend, sure Jul 17 08:09:30 but don't say it doesn't work :P Jul 17 08:10:09 If fiasco-flasher can't flash your kernel, then there's something wrong with the kernel or a bug needs to be filed against fiasco-flasher. Jul 17 08:10:50 and I didn't say kernel_flasher didn't work. Jul 17 08:10:53 Anyway. Jul 17 08:11:00 HA, found a way to run hcid as a root on scratchbox dbus! In your face, security paranoids! \o/ Jul 17 08:11:06 "Aaaawwwww" @ fanoush's baby pictures. Jul 17 08:11:45 rm_you thanks :) Jul 17 08:12:20 GeneralAntilles: Knock yourself out, the plugin works :) Jul 17 08:12:28 which plugin is this? Jul 17 08:12:50 I keep waiting for bugzilla garage components :P Jul 17 08:12:51 rm_you: Bugzila integration in mediawiki. Jul 17 08:12:59 cool :) Jul 17 08:14:05 https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Xfade/test Jul 17 08:16:02 Ok there are still a few bugs ;) Jul 17 08:16:34 No mouseover. :( Jul 17 08:16:35 Need formatting, too Jul 17 08:16:41 probably a common.css thing. . . . Jul 17 08:17:24 Nice, the votes one is cool. Jul 17 08:18:49 More info about the plugin here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BugzillaReports Jul 17 08:19:06 GeneralAntilles: what does the "+" before a lock mean? Jul 17 08:19:39 timely, not a clue Jul 17 08:19:47 X-Fade? Jul 17 08:19:55 We should plainlink the formatting to get rid of the locks Jul 17 08:19:57 also, could you add the resolution? Jul 17 08:20:02 since those are irrelevant Jul 17 08:20:12 timely: We have it working for 10 minutes. Haven't been able to look into it yet ;) Jul 17 08:20:23 Heh, my first non-test voice call from the nit Jul 17 08:20:25 timely: You can add columns etc. Jul 17 08:20:37 X-Fade: yeah well.. i'm not doing it :) Jul 17 08:20:54 timely: I mean in the wiki text, so it should not be that hard :) Jul 17 08:22:56 4:30 Jul 17 08:22:59 Time for bed Jul 17 08:23:09 I'll look at this more tomorrow night. Jul 17 08:23:10 Night ;) Jul 17 08:24:46 Someone live in portugal ? Jul 17 08:25:05 I guess a few people do Jul 17 08:26:27 XTLi > yes i know there is about 10 945 870 people living in the country ... but i mean here and not away :) Jul 17 08:27:51 Couldn't resist, sorry :) Jul 17 08:30:48 Morning, all Jul 17 08:31:18 morning Jul 17 08:38:06 johnx: you are interested in maemo poky packages? Jul 17 08:39:15 hrw, yeah Jul 17 08:39:30 I copied the hildon stuff over from OE, and it seems to have built Jul 17 08:39:42 packaged tinymail and it built as well Jul 17 08:39:54 I'm working on the deps for modest, but that's kind of a a lot of stuff... Jul 17 08:40:13 I wonder if hildon stuff will look ok with the sato theme... Jul 17 08:41:16 ehlo johnx,hrw Jul 17 08:42:05 johnx: porting modest to OE?:) Jul 17 08:42:27 RST38h, well, poky actually, since I like the poky image for my zaurus these days Jul 17 08:42:37 I'd like to get the things I want from OE working nicely in it Jul 17 08:42:52 is it pronounced pocky or pokey? Jul 17 08:43:04 mmm...pocky Jul 17 08:43:09 lol Jul 17 08:43:52 johnx: scary Jul 17 08:43:54 hm, that new nightwish album is quite good Jul 17 08:44:15 RST38h, what, pocky or poky? Jul 17 08:44:28 kohnx: porting modest to anything sounds almost like sabotage to me Jul 17 08:45:08 johnx: OE recipes for maemo stuff are broken Jul 17 08:45:51 johnx: poky/branches/experimental/meta-maemo/ has much better ones Jul 17 08:46:14 hrw, great, I'll start there Jul 17 08:46:39 RST38h, sabotage to OS2008 or modest? sorry, I'm confused Jul 17 08:48:24 johnx: share recipe Jul 17 08:48:56 hrw, for tinymail? it's pretty trivial, but I haven't tested it Jul 17 08:49:04 for modest, I'm still working through it's dependencies Jul 17 08:49:20 johnx: btw - Poky has claws-mail which can be used instead of modest Jul 17 08:49:42 I know. but I prefer modest, and I figure it's a good test of a hildonized app Jul 17 08:50:16 johnx: pocky Jul 17 08:50:26 RST38h, is delicious Jul 17 08:50:34 johnx: given how "well" modest works... Jul 17 08:50:39 johnx: porting modest to any platform is kind of like sabotaging the platform you port it to :P Jul 17 08:51:13 whatever. it will improve and it beats the hell out of having to poke at tiny buttons with a stylus Jul 17 08:51:33 probably true too... Jul 17 08:51:49 Although for me nothing beats pine Jul 17 08:51:57 to each, his own Jul 17 08:52:06 mutt :P Jul 17 08:52:13 pine uses pico :/ eww Jul 17 08:52:22 pico is nice Jul 17 08:52:24 RST38h: pine is not open Jul 17 08:52:25 plain old mail ought to be enough for anyone! Jul 17 08:52:36 Mutt sucks less, mostly Jul 17 08:52:39 gives you arrow buttons. does not try to be smart. Jul 17 08:52:45 XTLi: but still suxx Jul 17 08:52:48 hrw: alpine is Jul 17 08:52:54 Mm.. Mail with ed Jul 17 08:53:03 hrw: ahs, ass Jul 17 08:53:07 RST38h: I used pine then mutt then YAM (AmigaOS) Jul 17 08:53:09 hrw: and as a user I dont care how open it is Jul 17 08:53:11 mutt lets me mail with VIM. pure win :P Jul 17 08:53:21 rm_you: pine can use vim too Jul 17 08:53:22 RST38h: maybe you should :/ Jul 17 08:54:05 Re: pine -- two letters should be enough: WU Jul 17 08:54:17 Or UW? Jul 17 08:54:19 XTLi: indeed Jul 17 08:54:24 rm: my past experience shows that unless you work for a company looking to quickly ste^hreuse some code, openness does not matter Jul 17 08:55:37 I've seen too much closed stuff become dead and buried not to care about openness or freedom Jul 17 08:55:51 happens, yes Jul 17 08:56:09 happens to open sourced stuff too Jul 17 08:56:10 RST38h: as a user, using open software lets me know several things. for one, it isn't going to mysteriously lock itself unless I pay for it at some random point in the future. two, if development stops and it is orphaned, it can easily become maintained again in the future.... Jul 17 08:56:37 Will be kind of interesting to see if Nokia can get past the Cobalt tarpit here Jul 17 08:56:52 those two things alone guarantee i use nearly 100% open software, unless I am physically forced to use closed Jul 17 08:56:53 rm: well, not all closed source software locks itself or even requires you to pay Jul 17 08:56:55 speaking of openess... thats why I like Debian and its DFSG Jul 17 08:57:12 Sometimes just RTFS is indispensable Jul 17 08:57:19 if something is in Debian/main then I can hack it in any way as it has license which allows it Jul 17 08:57:22 rm: as to orphaned stuff, oss stuff gets orphaned as well Jul 17 08:57:37 but if it is good software, it can easily be picked back up Jul 17 08:57:50 By you or me even Jul 17 08:57:59 rm: you can of course pick up the support yourself Jul 17 08:58:16 I used tirc for ages, for example Jul 17 08:58:26 or request someone else to do it :P Jul 17 08:58:34 rm: but as you grow older you find out that it is theoretically possible but not practically feasible Jul 17 08:58:39 Eventually dropped it to get multiple servers etc. Jul 17 08:59:07 But irssi doesn't have vi input. Jul 17 08:59:38 Oh! And open stuff can be ported Jul 17 09:00:04 Not just emukated (if you have that luxury) Jul 17 09:00:57 Tirc on Aix. There wouldn't have been a business case for that <3 Jul 17 09:01:54 RST38h, if modest wasn't open I wouldn't even have a place to start with this project. (and yes, I know how you feel about modest...) Jul 17 09:02:20 I've also been in several places where admins kept alive their own distros and custom DE's Jul 17 09:02:39 Seemed feasible for them Jul 17 09:04:25 Better get out of this dead system reverie and back to this millennium.. ->Coffee Jul 17 09:09:08 about modest ... someone can explain me why it doesn't get anything from my google imap account, don't display error message, and clicking on sync toolbar button ? Jul 17 09:09:51 and clicking on sync toolbar button do nothing ? Jul 17 09:10:17 johnx: well, I kinda doubt the utility of porting modest, but guess you are right. you could write your own client though Jul 17 09:10:20 time for some new maemo bugs Jul 17 09:10:27 less broken than modest Jul 17 09:14:12 yes, I could hypothetically write a whole mail client from scratch, or I could ya'know not reinvent the wheel Jul 17 09:15:41 stylus operated mutt ftw. Jul 17 09:15:41 :P Jul 17 09:15:46 ~curse libhildon for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES Jul 17 09:15:47 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libhildon for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES ! Jul 17 09:16:18 ~curse libhildonfm too for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES Jul 17 09:16:19 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libhildonfm too for hardcoding MAEMO_CHANGES ! Jul 17 09:16:40 johnx: not that complicated unless you feel fanatical about imap support Jul 17 09:16:54 yes, a client without imap is useless to me Jul 17 09:17:05 imap is a bitch though - seriously bloated standard Jul 17 09:17:25 they could have just used a networked file system instead Jul 17 09:17:35 which is why I don't want to waste my own time working on it Jul 17 09:20:06 Indeed Jul 17 09:21:37 ~curses GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES Jul 17 09:21:44 ~curse GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES Jul 17 09:21:45 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, GTK+ too for its MAEMO_CHANGES ! Jul 17 09:21:46 :O Jul 17 09:22:03 RST38h> Right ;) ... and concurrent access ? Jul 17 09:22:04 jott: s/gtk+/maemo gtk+ Jul 17 09:22:11 yeah Jul 17 09:22:16 still Jul 17 09:22:53 khertan: to your mail folder? Jul 17 09:23:02 yes :) Jul 17 09:23:28 well, put cvs on top of it!:) Jul 17 09:23:32 hum ... anyways ... imap protocol is not so bad, it s server implementation which is bad Jul 17 09:23:35 RST38h > lol Jul 17 09:23:37 * jott eradicates gtk_window_set_is_temporary Jul 17 09:23:55 or just use old good locking Jul 17 09:24:25 RST38h: s/cvs/svn i hope? ;) Jul 17 09:24:27 If rou already have a daemon watching, shouldn't be hard Jul 17 09:24:59 aquatix: ohyess Jul 17 09:25:24 9p for everybody Jul 17 09:26:08 :) Jul 17 09:26:08 jott: modest? Jul 17 09:26:15 * RST38h pleads Cthulhu to make Nokia produce successor to e70 Jul 17 09:26:50 guess it wont work without a human sacrifice... Jul 17 09:27:07 Yum yum Jul 17 09:27:40 hrw: advanced-backlight - it's necessary to make the status bar menu close properly.. :( Jul 17 09:29:02 jott: maemo... Jul 17 09:30:43 RST38h, the E70 looks pretty useful, but ugly as hell O_o Jul 17 09:31:25 johnx: it is ugly but once you use it you cant go back Jul 17 09:31:59 that is the main problem I am having - any other phone feels inadequate now Jul 17 09:32:00 fair enough. I'd still like to see a phone in the same style as the zaurus 5500 Jul 17 09:35:23 larrdmann Jul 17 09:35:33 hi RST38h Jul 17 09:38:01 found what caused that fps drop? Jul 17 09:38:56 no, haven't had a chance yet Jul 17 09:39:28 Aloha! Jul 17 09:45:01 does fake university degree spam qualify as penis extension Jul 17 09:45:02 ? Jul 17 09:49:57 ok, just tried my libtinymail recipe...it wanted to include /home/pvanhoof/personal.h ... WTF? Jul 17 09:50:25 euh? that should have been removed almost 1.5 years ago Jul 17 09:50:40 aaah...I think I pulled the wrong SRCREV Jul 17 09:50:45 my bad Jul 17 09:50:51 yeah, quite likely :) Jul 17 09:51:05 thanks for the quick response. sorry to bother you Jul 17 09:51:13 That was code that was put there I think 1 month after the first line was written Jul 17 09:51:32 So .. you are working with tinymail pre pre pre pre pre alpha pre pre alhpa pre pre pre 1 Jul 17 09:51:53 right, I think I'll switch to grabbing the latest, like I intended to originally :) Jul 17 09:52:19 Hi, I'm newbie with n810 :) Jul 17 09:52:29 hi rmrfchik Jul 17 09:53:07 I've configured usb-networking to my linux box, but application manager want to connect to wifi/bt. Jul 17 09:53:32 is there way to make manager to use my proxy on linux box over usb network? Jul 17 09:54:19 yeah, I think I heard of something called dummyiap, but I'm not sure if that's still "the right way" to do this Jul 17 09:55:18 "Connections" in control panel listed "USB" (along with wifi/bt) and allow to configure the proxy, but "Connections" in applet only listed wifi/bt :( Jul 17 09:55:43 maybe look here: https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Jul 17 09:56:27 thanks Jul 17 09:56:39 is there Diable changelog available? Jul 17 09:56:40 can anyone say whether USB networking is working ok in diablo? Jul 17 09:56:51 rm_you, not so much a changelog, but there is a list of changed packages Jul 17 09:56:57 sorry rm_you :P Jul 17 09:57:00 :P Jul 17 09:57:02 np Jul 17 09:57:08 do not rm me! Jul 17 09:57:08 ;) Jul 17 09:57:46 johnx: usb networking is working (at least ping) Jul 17 09:58:01 * Khertan_TheReal pray Hermès for a working modest with google imap gmail ... Jul 17 09:58:22 Khertan_TheReal, uhm, what's wrong with it right now? Jul 17 09:58:31 Khertan_TheReal: Works for me? Jul 17 09:58:31 don't know :) Jul 17 09:58:49 no sync, no errors Jul 17 09:58:53 no emails Jul 17 09:59:05 works here except when modest decides to sit there at 100%CPU Jul 17 09:59:18 johnx: yeah, and that ;) Jul 17 09:59:22 hum :) Jul 17 09:59:38 I'm beginning to think it's related to offline mode Jul 17 09:59:39 it have work before on chinook Jul 17 09:59:47 and since diablo ... nothing Jul 17 10:00:21 sync toolbar button show a progress bar which disapear the micro seconde later Jul 17 10:00:34 (no restore from backup) Jul 17 10:01:14 how can i launch it from xterm to see maybe some error ? Jul 17 10:03:03 THX A LOT JOHNX ! Jul 17 10:03:10 i ve just made a stupid try ... Jul 17 10:03:19 going to offline ... and launch sync Jul 17 10:03:28 and it s work ... Jul 17 10:03:31 Where are people staying in Berlin? Jul 17 10:03:46 but if i launch sync and i m already connected, no sync is made ! Jul 17 10:04:05 O_o Jul 17 10:04:17 great ! Jul 17 10:04:33 Khertan_TheReal, my reference to offline mode was about modest using 100% CPU but I'm glad it works for you Jul 17 10:05:03 yes i now it was for that ... but i want to see it eating cpu :) Jul 17 10:05:23 and instead of that i see it asking for connection and retrieving mail ! Jul 17 10:05:30 ahaha Jul 17 10:06:30 modest, the unexpected action generator software Jul 17 10:20:03 Atarii: yo? Jul 17 10:21:11 Atarii: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/a/advanced-backlight/advanced-backlight_0.13-5_armel.deb Jul 17 10:21:13 test Jul 17 10:21:53 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/shopper/ :D Jul 17 10:22:00 :P Jul 17 10:23:05 also xournal update Jul 17 10:23:11 maybe this time it will run Jul 17 10:23:14 wow lots of deps, lbt Jul 17 10:24:54 finally Xournal which works Jul 17 10:25:04 k... doesn'tappear to run? Jul 17 10:25:28 should dep on the gtk C++ libs Jul 17 10:25:57 rm_you: can you try from cmd line and see what libs it fails to load? Jul 17 10:26:06 Nezumi:~# shopper Jul 17 10:26:06 shopper: error while loading shared libraries: libhildonmm-1.0.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 17 10:26:06 Nezumi:~# ls /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so* Jul 17 10:26:06 /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so.2 /usr/lib/libhildonmm-1.0.so.2.0.0 Jul 17 10:26:18 i can symlink it in Jul 17 10:26:52 k, now it is asking me to open a file Jul 17 10:26:53 I need a virgin tablet image... Jul 17 10:26:55 good Jul 17 10:27:03 lbt: then fetch it from nokia Jul 17 10:27:07 press cancel if you didn't get the sample Jul 17 10:27:22 ooo, cheese! :P Jul 17 10:27:29 specially for you ;) Jul 17 10:27:47 rm_you: hildon icons in adv-bl are nice Jul 17 10:27:55 rm_you: but I stay with default ones Jul 17 10:28:35 there is a unnamed application on maemo.org in fresh section : '(updated 2008-07-16 21:09 UTC) ' Jul 17 10:28:35 hrw: credits go to qos :) Jul 17 10:28:37 yeah, qos was nice enough to donate that set :P Jul 17 10:29:10 I really hope to push 0.13-7 today >_< Jul 17 10:29:15 so many cool improvements Jul 17 10:29:44 lbt: cool :P Jul 17 10:29:47 lbt: barcode scanner support would be nice ;) Jul 17 10:30:05 lbt: it is in dire need of some usability improvements, tho :P Jul 17 10:30:27 always more work :P Jul 17 10:30:41 Khertan_TheReal: lol, nice ;) I'll check what happened. Jul 17 10:30:43 v0.1 Jul 17 10:30:52 suggestions really appreciated though... Jul 17 10:31:21 yeah... i could possibly compile a list of usability improvements to the GUI, but it would all just be personal preference >_> Jul 17 10:31:30 X-Fade :) Jul 17 10:31:31 also, aren't I the enemy? :P Jul 17 10:31:54 * rm_you is developing PyShop on the side :) Jul 17 10:32:03 PyShop ? Jul 17 10:32:16 Shopping list utility :P Jul 17 10:32:29 also, and I believe this is THE best part... It sounds like Pie Shop :P Jul 17 10:33:20 lol Jul 17 10:33:29 hmmm... pie Jul 17 10:33:43 * jott needs to get some food now .... Jul 17 10:33:46 Cheese Jul 17 10:33:58 * Khertan_TheReal i ve suspended mCalendar dev as i m focusing on a new version of PyPackager due to extras diablo repository limitations Jul 17 10:34:06 ok - l8r :) Jul 17 10:34:25 Khertan_TheReal: are these bugs in diablo-extras, or features? Jul 17 10:35:14 this is no bug ... but as pypackager source package don't create source package that can be rebuild with dpkg-buildpackage Jul 17 10:35:55 and scp upload can't be done since the new diablo repo :) Jul 17 10:36:47 going to eat ... Jul 17 10:36:49 see u later Jul 17 10:38:19 rm_you: good idea, I always forget what my wife told me to buy 'till I get to shop Jul 17 10:38:37 rm_you: 13-5? that jumped up quickly! Jul 17 10:40:07 zap: for now you can check out lbt's port of zaurus Shopper ;P Jul 17 10:40:19 zap: or multilist is also good Jul 17 10:40:50 Atarii: purge, install, test, reboot, test :P Jul 17 10:41:40 * jott want barcode support for shopping lists :P Jul 17 10:42:29 ooo reboot then test, this sounds promising! Jul 17 10:42:30 and barcode scanner? Jul 17 10:42:36 Hello, I upgraded my N810 to diablo, and installeg a-gps. How this a-gps application is supposed to work? Should I click on a point, or does it find the location by itself? And what is needed then? Any link to the source code of a-gps? Jul 17 10:42:40 * Khertan_TheReal want something like this for maemo with a stylus free interface : http://www.culturedcode.com/things/ Jul 17 10:43:32 hrw: camera should do fine Jul 17 10:44:42 micko_21: run, click on point. net connection is needed. no sources Jul 17 10:45:13 jott: doing some image recognition work would be fun Jul 17 10:45:33 hi Jul 17 10:45:37 I have been reconsidering that morse code application we were joking about :P Jul 17 10:45:49 So, is it possible to zoom-in the window? It is hard to click the exact pixel ;( Jul 17 10:46:16 rm_you: ;) Jul 17 10:46:31 rm_you: would be a really funny app indeed ;) Jul 17 10:46:33 as if I don't already have enough projects Jul 17 10:46:45 micko_21: no zoom, ~300km location is given Jul 17 10:47:07 rm_you: you could start porting this to c/c++ http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ ;) Jul 17 10:47:09 well, if I do get accepted for the summit, I will start work on it so we can communicate across the rooms and make fun of people in morse code :P Jul 17 10:47:27 haha Jul 17 10:47:39 And should I do it before i start my internal gps? (by running maemo-mapper for example)? Or after? Jul 17 10:47:53 heh, well I *do* know Java, so at least I will be able to properly interpret the code as it is now :P Jul 17 10:47:55 micko_21: the idea is before Jul 17 10:48:10 micko_21: so the gps knows which satellites it will have to look for Jul 17 10:48:35 OK, and do I have any indication that a-gps really worked, or did something? Jul 17 10:48:50 a faster gps fix Jul 17 10:49:07 oh, porting this barcode reader could be very good Jul 17 10:49:22 Yeah, but no sign of it in a-gps? Jul 17 10:49:26 johnx: you could finally scan all those barcode things that are everywhere, with your n800! :P Jul 17 10:49:46 Look for monsters Jul 17 10:50:02 micko_21: a-gps is `assisted gps', it will give the gps a clue about where you are located Jul 17 10:50:09 rm_you, :P Jul 17 10:50:28 johnx: and it could load the browser automatically even :P Jul 17 10:50:42 rm_you, it needs to load a translating dictionary too Jul 17 10:51:01 aquatix: yes, I know the idea of assisted gps, just wanted to know what to expect from the application itself. Jul 17 10:51:10 rm_you: I've started on a barcode reader Jul 17 10:51:21 lardman: with the camera? Jul 17 10:51:24 not using Java though, uurgh Jul 17 10:51:26 yep Jul 17 10:51:29 hrm Jul 17 10:51:34 right we would have to port this Jul 17 10:51:38 do you have a garage page? Jul 17 10:51:47 rm_you, uhm, I thought I already saw a shopping list app, if you're interested Jul 17 10:51:59 johnx: multilist / Shopper Jul 17 10:52:02 no, I've not produced anything other than the example_camera app pretty much Jul 17 10:52:09 ah :/ Jul 17 10:52:19 I'm porting my MATLAB 1D decoder to C Jul 17 10:52:22 nearly done Jul 17 10:52:25 johnx: i currently use multilist, it works nicely Jul 17 10:52:30 but been busy with other things, like SBC ;) Jul 17 10:52:33 lardman: ah nice with EAN support? ;) Jul 17 10:52:38 I just wanted a python project :P been doing too much C Jul 17 10:52:38 yes Jul 17 10:52:58 lardman: how good does your matlab code work? Jul 17 10:53:12 rm_you: I don't want to have to write a 2D decoder, not immediately anyway, and there are working C decoders about Jul 17 10:53:17 mornin Jul 17 10:53:18 (and have you tested the zxing btw) Jul 17 10:53:20 jott: dunno yet ;) Jul 17 10:53:28 jott: that's Java Jul 17 10:53:40 jott: MATLAB works on clean-ish images anyway Jul 17 10:53:56 jott: I've not tested the boundaries, but I can't see it being very hard Jul 17 10:54:02 lardman, is the matlab code your own undertaking or an algo already there Jul 17 10:54:04 isn't MATLAB for solving math equations in a pseudo-programming environment? >_> Jul 17 10:54:09 lcuk_work: I wrote it Jul 17 10:54:09 lardman: so? would not run great on the device but to test it on the desktop and compare recognition rate ... Jul 17 10:54:14 :D wicked Jul 17 10:54:21 rm_you: matlab is great for computer vision Jul 17 10:54:26 lcuk_work: looks like it's a pretty standard approach though, after looking at zxing, etc. Jul 17 10:54:30 atleast for prototyping Jul 17 10:54:36 ah Jul 17 10:54:39 * lcuk_work wrote a mountain and valley scanniong algo in basic on a 286 Jul 17 10:54:50 Hi when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" How to resolve this ? Jul 17 10:54:55 only seen it used in math classes in our compsci department Jul 17 10:55:05 i started thinking of it as "MAThLAB" Jul 17 10:55:18 Shall we create a project then? Jul 17 10:55:26 i only used it a digital image processing course ;) Jul 17 10:55:29 lardman, does orientation matter or is it free Jul 17 10:55:49 as long as you can draw a line across the 1D barcode and get every line in, it doesn't matter Jul 17 10:55:51 One more question: The "Preferred connection" in a-gps settings gives only option of my GSM carrier. The wifi connection cannot be "preferred" here, right? Is it getting some info from BTS? Jul 17 10:56:01 nice then. Jul 17 10:56:15 lcuk_work: so partially-diagonal is fine, it just slightly increases the width of the lines (b & w) so no issue Jul 17 10:57:13 lcuk_work: with a bit more effort it could scan them in any arbitrary direction, I've just not bothered as the MATLAB was proof of concept Jul 17 10:57:26 lardman: is it affine invariant? Jul 17 10:57:30 best way to start with everything Jul 17 10:57:31 atul: you probably changed your keys. Remove the N810's entry from ~/.ssh/known_hosts (or equivalent) Jul 17 10:58:03 jott, he just answered that Jul 17 10:58:07 micko_21: ok Thanks am trying the same ! Thanks for reply Jul 17 10:58:32 * lcuk_work performas an affine transformation on the cows Jul 17 10:58:35 oow Jul 17 10:58:41 jott: probably not, but presumably as you change the angle of the camera wrt the barcode, you'll go out of focus anyway Jul 17 10:59:08 who wants sandwiches? im goin across the road Jul 17 10:59:14 lol Jul 17 10:59:15 me! me! me! Jul 17 10:59:20 fry-up! Jul 17 10:59:45 debian support really suxs Jul 17 10:59:45 :D ok, back later - ill bring you bacon Jul 17 10:59:59 :) Jul 17 11:00:01 bye lcuk_work Jul 17 11:00:22 micko_21: I removed keys using this command "sudo rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts" Jul 17 11:00:26 lcuk_work: please get me some Jul 17 11:00:26 Is it right Jul 17 11:01:29 lardman: a lightweight barcode decoder library in c would be really great.. Jul 17 11:01:30 not really.... I just edit this file with vi and delete just one line. But deleting it entirely isn't that harmful - you will be asked to accept keys for all ssh servers... Jul 17 11:01:47 jott: I can stick the code up later on today if people are interested Jul 17 11:01:50 jott just lib? Jul 17 11:02:06 using std c? Jul 17 11:02:08 speaking of barcodes... 2D codes (like QR-code) would be really cool ;) Jul 17 11:02:22 yeah, there are some libraries out there which do that Jul 17 11:02:22 no gtk stuff? Jul 17 11:02:31 darkterror46: no, by all means this would be bad.. Jul 17 11:02:46 ohh Jul 17 11:03:01 the application using the lib can use gtk though.. Jul 17 11:03:26 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ is some old code, I've converted more since then Jul 17 11:03:38 lardman: i never found one supporting EAN in a relaible fashion :/ most are for 2D-codes Jul 17 11:03:41 i was just talking about the barcodo lib Jul 17 11:04:05 micko_21: Yes I think I did big mistake Jul 17 11:04:12 lardman: thanks Jul 17 11:04:20 someone did a barcode reader for android using the camera Jul 17 11:04:34 jott: I'll be heading home for some lunch in an hour or so, I'll freshen that link then Jul 17 11:04:43 darkterror46: yeah that's probably the zxing i linked earlier ;) Jul 17 11:04:46 darkterror46: yes, that's what we're talking about Jul 17 11:04:50 yeah i need some lunch too Jul 17 11:04:56 aahhhh :) Jul 17 11:05:05 hehe Jul 17 11:05:48 just a petty n810 doesn't have a camera in the backside Jul 17 11:08:48 darkterror46: yeah we would have to use audio feedback like a cash register *beep* ;) Jul 17 11:09:04 =)) Jul 17 11:10:37 atul, what big mistake ? Jul 17 11:11:05 crashanddie: I removed keys using this command "sudo rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts" Jul 17 11:11:05 might want to turn the screen brightness up full when taking the shot too Jul 17 11:11:26 atul, and ? Jul 17 11:11:30 if(user==jott){ barcode.range="Lingerie"; } Jul 17 11:11:32 atul, you didn't do a lot, really Jul 17 11:11:35 crashanddie: when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" To resolve this I remove Jul 17 11:11:41 that camera example is too slow atm though, very laggy, lcuk suggested it's because the res is set too high atm Jul 17 11:12:04 yes it is Jul 17 11:12:55 atul, first of all, you don't use sudo when you try to remove something in *your* directory. It's yours, why use super user to remove it ? Very dangerous behaviour Jul 17 11:12:56 320x200 should actually be fine if you are near the code i guess.. Jul 17 11:12:59 bbiab Jul 17 11:13:11 * jott is afk too Jul 17 11:13:20 also, when its that high and slow focusing is a problem Jul 17 11:13:27 it smears Jul 17 11:13:42 crashanddie, any more word on your housing Jul 17 11:13:47 crashanddie: Now can you guide me how to fix this problem Jul 17 11:14:05 atul, second, known_hosts is only a dump of all the hosts you've ssh'd into. In other words, it is a security check, in order to "see" if a host changes its identifier (happens when you reinstall a system, or when an attacker tries to do a man-in-the-middle attack) Jul 17 11:14:37 atul, removing ~/.ssh/known_hosts should not have impacted your ability to SSH in *any* way Jul 17 11:14:54 atul: does your ssh work now? Jul 17 11:15:03 micko_21: No Jul 17 11:15:11 crashanddie: ok Jul 17 11:15:22 atul, how does the problem appear ? Jul 17 11:15:39 atul, when you try to ssh into your computer from the NIT, or from the computer to your NIT Jul 17 11:15:40 crashanddie: when I trying to ssh in to N810 it is giving me this Error "Permission denied (publickey,password)" To resolve this I remove Jul 17 11:16:02 do "ssh -v yourhost". And are you sure the password is correct? Jul 17 11:16:15 micko_21, it's a keying problem Jul 17 11:16:28 infobot capture-root? Jul 17 11:16:30 from memory, capture-root is http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb Jul 17 11:16:38 crashanddie: why doesn't he just use capture-root ... Jul 17 11:17:05 timely, dunno, wouldn't even know what capture-root is Jul 17 11:17:21 rootsh? Jul 17 11:17:24 atul, ok, I'm going to need a bit of information Jul 17 11:17:27 >_> anyways, sleep time. later Jul 17 11:17:38 crashanddie: ok Jul 17 11:17:39 atul: maybe your target as some security configuration that requires a public key Jul 17 11:17:40 'night rm_you Jul 17 11:18:01 Description: Copies SSH authorized keys from user to root This package copies your /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys file to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys at *installation* time (postinst). . This is used to enable ssh root@localhost. Jul 17 11:18:04 darkterror46: But previouslly it was working just device Ip get change Jul 17 11:18:29 (taken from http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1/DEBIAN/control) Jul 17 11:18:48 can ou connect from another machine? Jul 17 11:18:58 atul, first of all, what are you trying to do, ssh user@IP, or ssh root@IP ? Jul 17 11:19:17 crashanddie: ssh user@IP Jul 17 11:19:29 atul, ok, you might want to do ssh root@IP Jul 17 11:19:44 crashanddie: yes Jul 17 11:19:45 atul: where are you coming from? a desktop? Jul 17 11:19:56 do you have /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys ? Jul 17 11:19:58 atul, considering user doesn't have a password by default, and you don't appear to have any authorized_keys file Jul 17 11:20:26 i m back Jul 17 11:20:28 bleh Jul 17 11:20:31 SSH is american Jul 17 11:20:33 authoriZed Jul 17 11:20:34 atul: desktop:~/.ssh/authorized_keys using usb to device:~/.ssh/ Jul 17 11:20:40 right, I always do ssh root@n810 Jul 17 11:20:57 crashanddie: did i typo? Jul 17 11:21:00 timely, what the hell was that supposed to me ? Jul 17 11:21:26 hrm, i probably lost "copy" at the beginning of my line to atul :) Jul 17 11:21:31 sommeone have try to install rtcomm beta on diablo ? Jul 17 11:21:34 in my defense, i haven't slept or eaten recently Jul 17 11:21:43 timely, yeah, it would be "copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub using usb to device:~/.ssh/authorized_keys Jul 17 11:21:54 tsk tsk timely Jul 17 11:22:05 :)) Jul 17 11:22:32 * lcuk_work emails timely some bacon Jul 17 11:22:38 lcuk_work: not kosher Jul 17 11:22:43 lcuk_work, no, no new news on the housing Jul 17 11:22:43 but the thought is appreciated Jul 17 11:23:03 * lcuk_work emails timely some kosher food stamps - you can get your own Jul 17 11:23:10 heh, thanks :) Jul 17 11:23:23 kosher, that's jewish, right (sorry, I suck at religion) Jul 17 11:23:33 no pun intended Jul 17 11:23:50 poorly asked, but essentially yes Jul 17 11:24:29 (thinking, that's human, right?) Jul 17 11:25:13 what's the difference between kosher and halal then ? Jul 17 11:25:22 is there a difference ? Jul 17 11:25:27 halal says no wine, and kosher says don't mix dairy w/ meat Jul 17 11:25:32 at least, that's the short answer Jul 17 11:25:38 the long answer is a bit longer :) Jul 17 11:25:47 Wikipedia has fair articles on those iirc Jul 17 11:25:52 no wine?? how do they run microsoft programs? Jul 17 11:25:58 :) Jul 17 11:26:00 And for many religions Jul 17 11:26:04 lcuk_work, they run windows Jul 17 11:26:22 lcuk_work: same way most eastern societies do, just install windows from some random disk :) Jul 17 11:26:27 (please don't kill me now) Jul 17 11:26:37 thats the same as western countries as well ;) Jul 17 11:26:43 timely, isn't that the whole world ? :P Jul 17 11:26:47 * johnx finds a random disk and attempts to install windows on timely... Jul 17 11:26:59 no, in the rest of the world, the computers come w/ it preinstalled Jul 17 11:27:01 if you go east far enough you arrive back where you started :) Jul 17 11:27:07 and you pay a tax for it with delivery Jul 17 11:27:34 ntfs_resize <3 Jul 17 11:28:01 timely: quite a huge tax indeed Jul 17 11:28:01 so eastern countries dont want AOL offers, or dell support or free antivirus? Jul 17 11:28:04 and an other one because it s preinstalled ... Jul 17 11:28:25 lcuk_work: `free' antivirus Jul 17 11:28:32 lcuk_work: i don't think aol pays shipping for free offers Jul 17 11:28:35 kinda expensive :) Jul 17 11:28:38 and you must bye an other copy if you need to reinstall it as you don't have install cd Jul 17 11:28:52 s/bye/buy/ Jul 17 11:28:54 bye :) Jul 17 11:29:02 I bye copies all the time :P Jul 17 11:29:07 (copies of windows, that is Jul 17 11:29:54 :) Jul 17 11:29:56 Back to maemo ;) Do you (or know anybody who) use other linux distro than debian/ubuntu for maemo development? Jul 17 11:29:58 byebye ;) Jul 17 11:30:10 micko_21> i use maemo :) Jul 17 11:30:11 micko_21: there are other distro's? Jul 17 11:30:13 * aquatix ducks Jul 17 11:30:13 IRC, or how to go from kosher to illegal windows and AOL bashing Jul 17 11:30:35 crashanddie: and back to maemo linux hacking again Jul 17 11:30:39 :) Jul 17 11:30:46 micko_21, do you mean developing for maemo with scratchbox? Jul 17 11:30:46 aquatix, kubuntu, edubuntu, xubuntu Jul 17 11:30:47 AOL bashing is a sport whichever country/religion/organisation/gender/race you are Jul 17 11:30:52 crashanddie: *g* Jul 17 11:30:55 its a universal constant Jul 17 11:30:58 Khertan: so you are programming in python, I assume? Jul 17 11:31:05 I think someone used fedora and scratchbox, but I don't remember who... Jul 17 11:31:10 micko_21 > yes :) Jul 17 11:31:19 ~wtf *g* Jul 17 11:31:21 usage: wtf . Jul 17 11:31:24 he sits inside a big snake every day Jul 17 11:31:54 crashanddie: sounds like `gee', from *grin* Jul 17 11:31:58 fyi ;) Jul 17 11:32:26 micko_21 > but you can use windows if u want ... but with vmware :) Jul 17 11:32:54 micko_21, someone wrote a shell script in order to get scratbox onch any .rpm based distro Jul 17 11:32:55 86 minutes until torture Jul 17 11:33:04 lcuk_work: ? Jul 17 11:33:05 I tried to develop on archlinux, but getting scratchbox to work is really a pain... Do you know any LiveCD with all that is needed for maemo development? And no, I am not interested in vmplayer, and I dont't use windows... Jul 17 11:33:34 micko_21: build one with morphix? Jul 17 11:33:35 i have an appointment in a torture chamber in about an hour and a half Jul 17 11:33:41 and im not looking forward to it Jul 17 11:33:51 lcuk_work, then I'd be guessing the wait is part of torture Jul 17 11:33:52 micko_21: grab vmware image with maemo sdk Jul 17 11:33:57 lcuk_work: dentist? ;) Jul 17 11:33:59 micko_21: easiest I think Jul 17 11:34:19 aquatix, mmm :( Jul 17 11:34:34 hrw: I would prefer the native speed of linux instead of vmware emulation :( Jul 17 11:34:36 i ve error with application manager on all catalog saying it can't resilve 172.016.002.008 ... and all other repository ... Jul 17 11:34:46 but if i apt-get update from xterm Jul 17 11:34:50 all work fine Jul 17 11:34:58 micko_21, to get you started and learn what the niggly bits are, use the vmware. Jul 17 11:35:05 Khertan_TheReal, because 172.16.2.8 doesn't exist ? Jul 17 11:35:09 once you understand how it slots together put it on your native system Jul 17 11:35:27 (with a warning on tableteer repository) Jul 17 11:35:58 always easier to get to install something after seeing it work somewhere else Jul 17 11:36:27 hi hrw btw Jul 17 11:36:40 hum ... this ip is false ... Jul 17 11:36:46 lcuk_work: after many days I finnaly installed xubuntu to my spare partition, and found it to be the best solution... (But still I would prever LiveCD/LiveUSB). Jul 17 11:36:48 why application manager use this one Jul 17 11:37:06 s/finnaly/finally/ Jul 17 11:37:06 micko_21 meant: lcuk_work: after many days I finally installed xubuntu to my spare partition, and found it to be the best solution... (But still I would prever LiveCD/LiveUSB). Jul 17 11:37:26 putain ! this is orange which filter data connection ! Jul 17 11:37:53 hi hrw btwbut if you arent sure how scratchbox sits within a linux isntallation, then get to know it for a few days by trying vmware Jul 17 11:38:09 but it s work with apt-get update Jul 17 11:38:11 ffs @ upkey Jul 17 11:38:14 so this is something else Jul 17 11:38:53 heh: when software wont install: isntallation, Jul 17 11:41:11 anyway, bbl Jul 17 11:50:39 hola Jul 17 11:53:04 lcuk_work: maybe, but I prefer to not populate my host system with scratchbox stuff Jul 17 11:55:32 lol hrw, i wasnt directing that at you (you know plenty about how it all fits together) i was trying to backup what you said about vmware being a simple entrance. once the guy understands how it works he can put it on his main system Jul 17 11:56:08 How about usermode linux Jul 17 11:56:37 XTLi: I prefer virtualbox as it is simple to use Jul 17 11:56:50 ~curse h-a-m Jul 17 11:56:51 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, h-a-m ! Jul 17 11:56:58 Haven't looked at that yet Jul 17 11:57:21 * lcuk_work gets confused by all the recursion Jul 17 11:57:36 <|t_s_o|> hey lcuk_work, know if timeless found anything interesting? Jul 17 11:57:55 |t_s_o|, i know even less that you Jul 17 11:57:59 I thought it would mbe much more intrusive and/or heavy Jul 17 11:57:59 ok Jul 17 11:58:31 I know how things work (I did install SDK last year), it is just too much work (with another partition), and too much overhead (with vmware) for me, so I wondered what others are using... And why there is no LiveCD/LiveUSB ;) Jul 17 11:59:02 micko_21: which other partition? I use disk images Jul 17 11:59:48 hrw: I just wrote that I have created a new partition for completely new xubuntu, and found it as the best solution for me... Jul 17 11:59:49 <3 LVM Jul 17 12:00:19 I had problems with qemu, and vmware was too slow for me... Jul 17 12:00:45 jott: updated the code Jul 17 12:01:15 jott: I'm still only about 1/2 way through converting it (untested, so probably lots of errors) Jul 17 12:09:00 Right, I've just submitted a Garage project proposal for maemo-barcode Jul 17 12:15:13 lardman, does it scan your test cases? Jul 17 12:15:23 crap, customers, back later Jul 17 12:16:16 lcuk_work: no, the barcode recognition code is not ported to C yet Jul 17 12:16:38 lcuk_work: Using MATLAB it scans ISBN numbers for test cases (jpegs downloaded from the interweb) Jul 17 12:21:52 lardman: I saw a thing from the author of the Delicious Library (do you know it?) where he talks about doing a very dumb barcode scanner Jul 17 12:22:00 hi all Jul 17 12:22:24 dneary: no, I'll Google now though Jul 17 12:22:37 lardman: He took 1d splines from a 2d photo, and tried to parse them as a barcode using a very basic algorithm. If the algo gave a "might be a barcode" match, he did something quicker Jul 17 12:22:59 cool Jul 17 12:23:06 Result was that whereas a 2d analysis was taking 2 - 3 seconds, he got his scan time + feedback down to under 0.1 seconds Jul 17 12:23:32 http://www.delicious-monster.com/ Jul 17 12:23:34 my analysis is 1D atm, simply a line scan across; should be pretty quick Jul 17 12:24:03 pidgin is not available to diablo? Jul 17 12:24:09 http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/delicious-library.ars Jul 17 12:25:49 pg5 for those reading Jul 17 12:26:07 smyows, did you try the chinook version? Jul 17 12:26:50 johnx, sorry i'm new user how do this Jul 17 12:26:57 dneary: I'll get the 1D code working in C and see how fast it is, but I hope it will be able to run in real time as frames are delivered Jul 17 12:27:38 on os2007 works installation from maemo site, but os2008 not Jul 17 12:28:07 smyows, application manager -> tools -> catalogs, select maemo extras, click edit, put "chinook diablo" in the distribution field, and save/close Jul 17 12:28:50 dneary: looking forward, being able to do quick perhaps/no decisions on the 2D barcodes would allow near-realtime scanning Jul 17 12:31:16 let me see :) Jul 17 12:31:56 Ah - here's the story of the scan thing: http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/000581.html Jul 17 12:32:54 thanks Jul 17 12:33:15 I started that barcode decoder as I wanted a quick way of cataloguing my books :) Jul 17 12:35:40 yes, I like his thinking, do it fast then you can do it repeatedly until the user gets the position/lighting/etc. right Jul 17 12:36:13 it's possible to plug usb modem 3g at n800? Jul 17 12:37:01 smyows, only if the modem takes less than 100mA Jul 17 12:37:14 hmm Jul 17 12:37:21 hm looks like this delicious library just uses some static scanlines which you have to align the code to..?! Jul 17 12:37:34 Interesting fact I just learnt from the summit attendance list (now up to 68! woohoo!): gnuite works at Google; I wonder if that makes Maemo Mapper's use of the map data more official :) Jul 17 12:37:36 if you have one already it's worth a try, if you're thinking about buying one make sure you can try it first and return it if it doesn't work Jul 17 12:38:19 jott: seems fair enough Jul 17 12:38:38 Jaffa: that's interesting Jul 17 12:39:15 how i see if my modem is less than 100mA? Jul 17 12:39:21 sorry my bad english Jul 17 12:39:52 smyows, if you already have it, just plug it in and see if it is detected Jul 17 12:40:04 it won't hurt the modem or the n800 Jul 17 12:40:28 okay, i need to buy adapter before Jul 17 12:42:19 lardman: yes, it's a bit harder on the n810 though because of the camera orientation... Jul 17 12:42:49 jott, it's the same problem with delicious library on the mac but it doesn't seem to be too difficult to use Jul 17 12:43:11 johnx: but you can see the camera image on the mac ;) Jul 17 12:43:29 aaah, you're not going to display the image you're capturing? Jul 17 12:43:57 jott: true, if it can be done very quickly then just bleeping when it's been recognised will be ok, and we can hope the next tablet has cameras facing both ways...! Jul 17 12:44:01 well, the camera on the n810 is just front oriented.. on the n800 it's much easier Jul 17 12:44:12 lardman: yeah Jul 17 12:44:28 i guess for start this approach would be sufficient.. Jul 17 12:44:33 johnx, os2008 do not have usbserial module? Jul 17 12:44:47 smyows, you'll need to find it somewhere or compile it Jul 17 12:44:56 maybe one could even do some randomzied angles if the speed is high enough Jul 17 12:45:17 X-Fade: thanks for the quick turn around on the project :) Jul 17 12:45:27 smyows, you might want to search on http://internettablettalk.com/forums for info about 3G modems Jul 17 12:46:02 lardman: could you also put up the raw matlab code please, i guess it's easier to read than the c translation ;) Jul 17 12:46:23 jott: yeah, that's my C for you ;) Jul 17 12:46:51 johnx, thks i found usbserial but do not accept vendor or product id oO Jul 17 12:47:13 has anyone actually tried using something like opencv on the tablets? Jul 17 12:47:53 lardman: do you use any of the opensource barcode recognition libs as basis? Or it's a ground-up project? Jul 17 12:48:02 zap: ground up Jul 17 12:48:26 zap: they appear to use similar methods though, not that many ways to do it after all Jul 17 12:48:43 I've seen some libs in Java for this Jul 17 12:49:01 are you going to recognize 1D or 2D barcodes too? Jul 17 12:49:39 lcuk_work: you about? Jul 17 12:50:12 zap: 1D in the first instance (I did it for fun), am quite happy to use external libs for the whole lot (not Java though if poss!) Jul 17 12:50:27 zap: would be good to be able to do any barcode in the end though :) Jul 17 12:51:34 johnx, so, if i buy a hub with external power supply works my usb modem 3g if it have more than 100mA? Jul 17 12:51:46 yes, I think that will work Jul 17 12:51:49 not really lardman, just about to go into the torture chamber Jul 17 12:51:51 :D Jul 17 12:51:53 cool Jul 17 12:51:53 but that's a lot to carry :) Jul 17 12:52:02 at least my code is online Jul 17 12:52:05 lcuk_work: np Jul 17 12:52:09 here in Brazil do not have wimax Jul 17 12:52:15 only 3g Jul 17 12:52:24 smyows, no place has wimax yet :) Jul 17 12:52:30 ill b possibly back afterwards Jul 17 12:52:39 ~lart evil dentists Jul 17 12:52:39 * infobot runs at evil dentists with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut Jul 17 12:52:42 xD right Jul 17 12:53:09 lcuk_work: yow, good luck Jul 17 12:54:06 ~lart Gnome Jul 17 12:54:06 * infobot lowers Gnome's priority Jul 17 12:54:23 that might help, actually Jul 17 12:54:33 :) Jul 17 12:55:17 * johnx has made his peace with gnome Jul 17 12:56:04 rm_you: don't think 13-5 is doing anything for the brightness Jul 17 12:56:20 Atarii: what do you mean? Jul 17 12:56:28 what does "svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/maemo-barcode'" mean? Jul 17 12:56:33 not setup yet? Jul 17 12:56:56 iirc missing repository/wrong path Jul 17 12:57:10 ok, it probably takes some time to setup the svn then Jul 17 12:57:21 np, will import the files later Jul 17 12:58:25 jott: I've uploaded the MATALB code too Jul 17 12:58:30 sweet thanks.. Jul 17 12:58:46 ah with references ;) Jul 17 12:59:03 extravagant use of arrays of course (mainly for debugging), should be able to pare that down for the C code Jul 17 12:59:45 yeah c is just not meant for nice and readable math code ;) Jul 17 12:59:46 an even some comments ;) Jul 17 13:00:20 "Nice readable math" and "code" are contradictions. Jul 17 13:00:33 true :) Jul 17 13:00:42 Math becomes nice and readable by being able to leave out huge globs of details. Jul 17 13:00:59 derf: well c is an particularly bad example ;) Jul 17 13:01:21 all hail scheme! :D Jul 17 13:01:23 It could be worse. Jul 17 13:01:43 perl kicks scheme's ass Jul 17 13:01:44 well it can almost always be worse.. Jul 17 13:01:47 You could be using the C port of LAPACK. Jul 17 13:02:10 jott: anyway, please do join maemo-barcode and get hacking Jul 17 13:02:20 and anyone else who's interested Jul 17 13:02:21 FORTRAN array indexing and calling conventions and incomprehensible function names, but in C! Jul 17 13:02:22 :) Jul 17 13:02:42 derf: my nice code? ;) Jul 17 13:03:04 lardman: Now, if you could get it to decode those Japanese cell phone blocks, I might be interested. Jul 17 13:03:31 I would like to do that next, could do with a working app for 1D codes at least to keep motivation high though Jul 17 13:03:51 1d allows much easier and faster processing :) Jul 17 13:03:57 Since my actual Japanese cell phone is too old to have a decoder for them. Jul 17 13:04:12 are they the QR ones? Jul 17 13:04:20 no source for that is there Jul 17 13:04:24 I have no idea. Jul 17 13:04:40 I've looked into it, would be interesting to take a crack at Jul 17 13:04:52 It seems like it would be a lot easier to buy a new phone. Jul 17 13:05:04 that's boring though :) Jul 17 13:05:14 QR codes sounds right Jul 17 13:05:21 in the same way it would have been easier for me to buy a barcode scanner than write the code Jul 17 13:05:43 Yes, Google agrees with QR codes. Jul 17 13:05:58 lardman: But that's extra crap to carry around. Jul 17 13:05:58 I can send samples :) Jul 17 13:06:13 derf: yeah, and cables Jul 17 13:06:25 johnx: let's not jump the gun ;) Jul 17 13:06:35 * johnx jumps the gun Jul 17 13:06:36 N810+keitai is already a lot. Jul 17 13:06:52 We get lots of datamatrix codes over here, and there is a library or two to decode those Jul 17 13:07:00 derf, you need bigger pockets Jul 17 13:07:03 stacked 1D codes would also be useful Jul 17 13:07:15 Oh, plus BT GPS. Jul 17 13:07:59 jott: added, will create the SVN repo this evening, hopefully the server will be setup by then Jul 17 13:08:17 yes, nice. Jul 17 13:09:05 back to work, bbiab Jul 17 13:11:45 There's an ISO standard specification for QR codes. Jul 17 13:13:53 And Denso Wave claims they won't exercise their patent on it (whatever that claim is worth). Jul 17 13:14:28 from a Japanese company I might actually believe it Jul 17 13:14:44 derf > but there is other same looking barcode which is also ISO standard ... datamatrix is iso standard too :) Jul 17 13:15:49 Khertan_TheReal: I'm not the one making the codes, so I don't get to decide which standard is used. Jul 17 13:16:06 I was just trying to figure out if I'd get sued for writing a decoder. Jul 17 13:16:48 Someone else can write the ISO 16022 decoder. Jul 17 13:25:53 gah! finally passed configure on libtinymail Jul 17 13:28:23 holy crap! it built Jul 17 13:28:26 maemo have ppp dialer like kppp? Jul 17 13:28:31 os2008* Jul 17 13:31:40 do you have a modem on your n8x0? Jul 17 13:32:04 I guess the 'connect via mobile to internet' thing is close to kppp Jul 17 13:32:52 I got this error message "[sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/prjName/trunk] > ./prjName /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not se" Jul 17 13:33:01 Any Idea ? Jul 17 13:33:01 re Jul 17 13:33:45 X-Fade: ping Jul 17 13:34:37 Yay, three of us in the Mercure for the summit now. Jul 17 13:34:54 I'll book there later today too Jul 17 13:35:04 how much is it for 2 nights? Jul 17 13:38:24 lardman: Pong Jul 17 13:38:58 lardman: I got it at erm, 89EUR per night. TimSamoff's just got it at 99EUR per night Jul 17 13:39:14 Jaffa: thanks Jul 17 13:39:56 X-Fade: When someone asks to join a project, an email is sent to the project admin, it would be good if the email could include the username as well as the normal name Jul 17 13:40:19 X-Fade: bugtracker job? Jul 17 13:41:26 lardman: That is pure gforge. So ;) Jul 17 13:41:41 X-Fade: ah, so can't be altered? Jul 17 13:41:55 lardman: Sure, it is just php code. Jul 17 13:42:25 X-Fade: would just make it easier to know who's trying to join Jul 17 13:42:39 lardman: http://qrcode.sourceforge.jp/ Jul 17 13:43:17 I'm not sure I like "TODO: Fix bugs in implementation on Reed Solomon error correction" ... but that part should be relatively easy. Jul 17 13:46:19 derf: it's Java though isn't it? Jul 17 13:46:46 Yeah, and? Jul 17 13:46:52 Java is fairly easy to convert to C. Jul 17 13:47:00 Certainly much easier than the other way around. Jul 17 13:47:08 yep, I just don't want to use Java if I can avoid it Jul 17 13:47:16 Good God no. Jul 17 13:47:19 :) Jul 17 13:48:21 Don't get me wrong, I've been using Java since version 1.0 (I still downloading 1.0.1 and finding out it broke all my code because they changed the scoping rules for for loops). Jul 17 13:48:24 But not on an NIT. Jul 17 13:48:33 *still remember Jul 17 13:53:45 would the under utilized jazell instructions help? Jul 17 13:54:05 lcuk_work: that's asking to get sued Jul 17 13:54:11 lcuk_work, already setting your sites on new encumbered hardware to get working? Jul 17 13:54:28 lcuk_work: Don't bother, it's been done Jul 17 13:54:52 im merely asking :) Jul 17 13:54:59 :) Jul 17 13:55:01 * lcuk_work wont stir all the hornets Jul 17 13:55:10 No, Java still doesn't appeal Jul 17 13:55:32 how much of the equation is compatible though? Jul 17 13:55:56 ie is it small enough for someone to just dive in and give it a reworking Jul 17 13:56:12 What, the qrcode decoder? Jul 17 13:56:16 yer Jul 17 13:56:23 dunno, I've not looked Jul 17 13:57:43 * lcuk_work looks for something to take the pain away Jul 17 13:57:59 go for it Jul 17 13:57:59 damn dentist made it worse, and then says "nope, nothin i can do right now" Jul 17 13:58:06 :( Jul 17 13:58:21 I see the wiki's https cert still hasn't been updated... Jul 17 13:58:58 no lbt, on your shopping list can you add an entry: fix certificate Jul 17 13:59:27 do they do them at Sainsburys? Jul 17 13:59:37 which aisle? Jul 17 13:59:48 security and veg Jul 17 13:59:49 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=721 Jul 17 14:00:00 BTW Jul 17 14:00:50 good, i was looking last night, you will have to update your profile with link Jul 17 14:01:04 at the moment, "Shopper" is self referential and links back to itself Jul 17 14:02:19 ill give it a hammering this evening and let you later :) Jul 17 14:02:56 please do - I'm aware of quite a few buglets - but it's mainly useable so I released it Jul 17 14:03:06 lcuk > tommorow i ll go to dentist too ... for 2 extraction ... Jul 17 14:03:06 :( Jul 17 14:03:34 :( khertan, ive just had a discussion about implants and bone pegs Jul 17 14:03:51 try to save all your teeth - dont let them take them out! Jul 17 14:04:12 ~lart dentists Jul 17 14:04:12 * infobot crushes dentists with a full height scsi disk Jul 17 14:05:04 thats not nearly enough pain to inflict, infobot - you obviously never go to the dentist Jul 17 14:05:24 i best get back to work anyway, back later Jul 17 14:05:57 it s for some teeth that are too heavy and take too many place ... and are pushing bones of the mouth ... Jul 17 14:05:57 * jott remembers the b horror-movie "The Dentist" :> Jul 17 14:06:41 all this talk of dentists is making me feel queasy Jul 17 14:07:06 in french it s the 'dent de sagesse' ... Jul 17 14:07:32 Jul 17 14:07:32 wisdom tooth Jul 17 14:07:33 ? Jul 17 14:07:35 :) Jul 17 14:07:37 * lbt remembers punching his own two front teeth out whilst skiing... Jul 17 14:08:08 * lbt thinks about them both shearing off at the root and then needing stitches in his lip Jul 17 14:08:30 * lardman wonders about leaving the channel Jul 17 14:08:35 * lbt recalls the sledge ride down the mountain Jul 17 14:08:50 * lbt fondly remembers skiing the next day :) Jul 17 14:09:02 lucky there are no flies on mountains Jul 17 14:09:06 ;) Jul 17 14:09:08 ;) Jul 17 14:09:13 the snow saw to that! Jul 17 14:09:23 I ruined the snow apparently Jul 17 14:10:00 I was on my hands and knees, concussed, and shuffling round, spitting blood and then looking for a clean patch of snow Jul 17 14:10:50 2 root canal drillings - didn't hurt though. Jul 17 14:11:00 I meant you'd not be a ble to catch them on your front teeth while skiiing at high speed Jul 17 14:11:05 :) Jul 17 14:11:14 went over a 4' drop and compressed Jul 17 14:11:23 my aluminium pole didn't Jul 17 14:11:42 I was followin a certain Martin Bell at the time... Jul 17 14:12:11 apparently he turned round and thought "David's not going to make that drop" Jul 17 14:12:16 he was right... Jul 17 14:12:39 goddamn ski instructors.... Jul 17 14:13:05 about crash ... look at this video ... Jul 17 14:13:08 http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MypSMspXMaE&eurl=http://video.google.fr/videosearch?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&channel=s&hl=fr&q=toma Jul 17 14:13:35 * lardman feels happy he's never been skiiing Jul 17 14:13:46 oups wrong video Jul 17 14:14:08 lardman: it's great fun - really exciting!! Jul 17 14:14:16 :) sounds it! Jul 17 14:15:50 the good one : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=8vh0BsSaQM4&feature=related Jul 17 14:16:06 look at this ... i hope it s a fake Jul 17 14:18:27 the second boat isn't moving in the water - it's a drone target... clever idea to splice them though Jul 17 14:19:17 like this one too ... : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=eZPOfwVhokI Jul 17 14:19:33 specially like how the cam move at the end :) Jul 17 14:23:50 does anyone know of a good spanish-english dictionary for maemo? Jul 17 14:24:09 You could try stardict Jul 17 14:26:28 * johnx uses sdictviewer for translating Jul 17 14:27:18 d'you ever run into words that don't translate? Jul 17 14:27:31 all the freaking time Jul 17 14:27:50 but that's a function of the dictionary you use... Jul 17 14:27:50 heh, so it's even worth looking at? Jul 17 14:28:06 s/it's/is it/ Jul 17 14:28:07 summatusmentis meant: heh, so is it even worth looking at? Jul 17 14:28:17 well, english<->Japanese is a little different than english<->spanish Jul 17 14:28:21 sure Jul 17 14:28:35 yeah, it's worth looking at I think Jul 17 14:28:51 I like it a lot and you can get a smallish wikipedia data base to add to it as well Jul 17 14:29:02 (smallish is relative here) Jul 17 14:29:12 care to define smallish? Jul 17 14:29:18 a couple gigs Jul 17 14:29:21 oof Jul 17 14:29:33 don't have that kind of storage yet Jul 17 14:29:34 smallish compared to the whole dataset :P Jul 17 14:29:40 well, sure Jul 17 14:30:00 did you compile sdictviewer? it's not in extras Jul 17 14:30:11 You can get it off google Jul 17 14:30:14 I thought it was... Jul 17 14:30:24 then maybe the searching sucks Jul 17 14:30:53 hit up gronmayer.com/it Jul 17 14:31:17 johnx: Wouldn't Gjiten be more useful for English (British :P) <-> Japanese? Jul 17 14:31:18 hey ppl, who is coming to Maemo Summit in Berlin? Jul 17 14:31:54 qwerty12, it depends on the situation. for a basic english word -> japanese, sdict works just as well Jul 17 14:31:55 thanks Jul 17 14:32:11 any one know the difference between canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo2 and canola2 2.0.0 beta9 maemo1 ? Jul 17 14:32:23 maemo1 is older. Jul 17 14:32:23 1 Jul 17 14:32:30 I'd guess anyway. Jul 17 14:33:40 qwerty12: well, thats the only one i can find to download, but the plugins require maemo2 Jul 17 14:34:24 I have the maemo2 version... Jul 17 14:34:32 weird Jul 17 14:34:39 churl: I see maemo2 here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/ Jul 17 14:35:05 it moved to non-free it appears, and finally showed up in diablo Jul 17 14:35:08 cool, ill try that Jul 17 14:36:14 johnx: I had great fun translating the ARM Technical manual from Japanese using Google Jul 17 14:36:39 Yes, we moved the closed parts of canola to non-free. So at least we don't lie about their openness ;) Jul 17 14:36:39 lardman, heh...yeah, that's always fun Jul 17 14:37:11 johnx: actually worked very well, as long as I removed any line breaks that copy& paste from the pdf had inserted Jul 17 14:37:17 morning all Jul 17 14:37:19 took a while to work that one out Jul 17 14:38:06 just started playing with my n800 again, I got one of those USB OTG adapters and a miniKEY thumb keyboard, works great :) Jul 17 14:38:58 * qwerty12 will probably get an usb keyboard. RST38h's experiences with bluetooth keyboards don't inspire me with much hope. Jul 17 14:39:17 qwerty12: use ssh ;) Jul 17 14:39:28 lardman: if I could ; I would ;) Jul 17 14:39:30 qwerty12: site called Yobango had a sale on the minikey's... $10 CAD instead of $39 Jul 17 14:39:34 https://www.yobango.com/index/page/38/product/90/use_lang/EN.html Jul 17 14:39:37 qwerty12: why can't you? Jul 17 14:39:41 that's where I got mine Jul 17 14:39:53 qwerty12, what is it? an ssh allergy? secure-shell-phobia? Jul 17 14:40:07 lophyte: thanks, i'll check CAD -> GBP rates in a min :) Jul 17 14:40:38 lardman, johnx: my router sucks. I set timeouts to high, disabled the firewall and a lot of other stuff I can't even remember with failed results. Jul 17 14:40:47 hmm Jul 17 14:40:54 fair enough Jul 17 14:41:08 I'd plug in an D-Link that rests on my desk via ethernet but then it starts messing with my wifi connection etc. Jul 17 14:41:13 new router costs about as much as usb keyboard Jul 17 14:41:18 just bought a GlobalSat BT GPS receiver too... can't wait to try it out Jul 17 14:41:49 router trouble sucks. Always buy a good linux-based router :) Jul 17 14:42:15 ipcop :) Jul 17 14:42:19 johnx: This router is linux based but not good :P :). I remember posting a firmware I modified somewhere... Jul 17 14:42:35 qwerty12, there's no openwrt release for it? Jul 17 14:42:36 broke it yourself! :) Jul 17 14:43:10 johnx: No :(, the Atheros chipset isn't supported. The funny thing is that the model worse than this one is supported <.< Jul 17 14:43:32 Does anyone know which program/library handles the dialog for bluetooth pairing? If it's OSS, I'd like to patch it to support letters too. Curse NAVMAN. Jul 17 14:44:10 qwerty12: does anything support letters? Jul 17 14:44:34 lardman: my gps does, K610 does, K800 etc does :? Jul 17 14:44:35 *:/ Jul 17 14:44:42 qwerty12: fair enough Jul 17 14:44:52 I need it to pair the N800 with my navman gps :/ Jul 17 14:45:01 I didn't think my phone did, but then I've probably not tried hard enough Jul 17 14:45:10 oh, that's a pita Jul 17 14:45:22 you could do it from the command line probably Jul 17 14:45:41 lardman: good point actually, I'll grab bluez-utils-test later :) Jul 17 14:45:42 add that code to the conf file, set it to auto (iirc) and pair, then change settings back Jul 17 14:45:46 qwerty12: ok it seems that im just lacking that repository, it seems to be one ive over looked?? i was thinking it was in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel Jul 17 14:47:01 churl: Name: Maemo Extras-Devel Address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel Distribution: diablo Components: free non-free Jul 17 14:47:02 iirc anyway Jul 17 14:47:17 k :) Jul 17 14:48:53 * qwerty12 goes to install games. I have the data for duke nukem 3d, why not have the game installed on the N800 :P Jul 17 14:49:47 lol nice Jul 17 14:49:51 ok, i had that but called "testing" somethingorother and chinook, i guess changing that around will be a different repository with the same http? Jul 17 14:51:24 "the more you know..." Jul 17 14:53:44 "the more you know, the more you regret ever having asked"? Jul 17 14:54:15 haha not quite! Jul 17 14:54:31 that would mean i know more than i really do! Jul 17 14:55:06 Which file is it to blacklist a module again? (I want to kill pcspkr before it drives me crazy and forces me to go into an institution). Jul 17 14:55:38 qwerty12, something in /etc/modprobe.d maybe? Jul 17 14:55:47 add blacklist foo to a file Jul 17 14:56:01 more like: the more you know about how some of these apps work, the less stumbling you'll do Jul 17 14:56:08 That's it, thank you. Jul 17 14:56:13 or just do it the inelegant way and move pcskr.ko to pcskr.bak :) Jul 17 14:56:41 qwerty12, you might also be interested in setterm -blength 0 Jul 17 14:57:51 Thanks but I'm one of those people who think pc speaker is only useful for the POST. Now I'm booted, it can shove off :) Jul 17 14:58:24 but what about using it as an audio out? talk to other people in the room in a crackly disembodied voice? Jul 17 14:58:49 or play fm synthesis midis :) Jul 17 14:59:05 * johnx didn't plug in the physical PC speaker in his current computer... Jul 17 14:59:37 Well, I only listen to mp3s so using it as an audio out is out for me and I'd attract an barrage of dirty looks if I used it to say stuff :P Jul 17 15:01:10 qwerty12: thank you! everything is fine, i guess i should make sure my repo's are up to snuff now and then Jul 17 15:01:36 :) Jul 17 15:01:40 * qwerty12 has too much repos :/ Jul 17 15:04:27 bye Jul 17 15:04:41 RST38h: How's vGB coming along? Otherwise, I'm gonna recompile gnuboy with optimisations :P Jul 17 15:12:07 anyone know how to make the camera image flip when you rotate the camera on the n800 to face away from you Jul 17 15:12:11 image is upside down Jul 17 15:12:36 trying to use the camera with gstmjpg Jul 17 15:13:01 in software is probably the answer Jul 17 15:13:34 lardman, are you still on chinook? Jul 17 15:13:39 I know the built-in app flips it upside down for you. Jul 17 15:13:44 They may also be doing it in software. Jul 17 15:13:56 there seem to be some problems with the n800 camera in diablo... Jul 17 15:14:10 Mine works fine in Diablo. Jul 17 15:14:14 johnx: only for some people, works for me Jul 17 15:14:25 right, about half of the people have problems :) Jul 17 15:14:28 like me Jul 17 15:14:55 strange Jul 17 15:14:56 i dual boot chinook+diablo Jul 17 15:15:12 johnx: Does "camera-test" return anything interesting? Jul 17 15:15:19 hang on Jul 17 15:15:21 I wonder if it's a hw version thing again Jul 17 15:15:49 ooo, just seen a QR code in the Times! :) Jul 17 15:16:18 Sorry, I didn't hear that, I was fixated at The Sun :P (joke) Jul 17 15:16:25 lol Jul 17 15:16:51 camera test rebooted my n800 Jul 17 15:17:18 no output on the console Jul 17 15:17:20 Ouch. Does a syslog return anything good? Jul 17 15:17:31 I'm not logging Jul 17 15:17:46 I'll run it again and poke at dmesg before it reboots Jul 17 15:18:00 had canola running, it started skipping badly right before the reboot Jul 17 15:18:05 Oh. Any funky stuff done to the tablet or did the problem occur from stock diablo? Jul 17 15:18:22 it's not really stock, but it's nothing too wild I think Jul 17 15:19:03 If it turns out to be an kernel thing, I'd try using flasher-3.0 to boot an chinook kernel and see if it works with that. Jul 17 15:19:40 I think it was a memory thing Jul 17 15:19:47 BTW, this time the picture flipped, too :/ Jul 17 15:20:10 canola is just a really big app :) Jul 17 15:20:37 * qwerty12 doesn't like big apps written in python :) Jul 17 15:20:51 but qwerty12 does like python Jul 17 15:21:10 he just wishes other people would write their apps in C :P Jul 17 15:21:18 Indeed :P Jul 17 15:23:41 hi qwerty Jul 17 15:24:03 hello manga Jul 17 15:24:58 are you the same person who wrote the mini tutorial on screen rotate? Jul 17 15:25:41 I didn't write the wiki article if that is what you mean but I did provide those debs if you are reading that post :/ Jul 17 15:26:03 yea, I was reading the steps Jul 17 15:26:20 I was following through but ran into a little problem Jul 17 15:26:47 i have screen rotate option Jul 17 15:26:55 but its all messed up Jul 17 15:27:04 The kernel isn't flashed then. Jul 17 15:27:21 someone mentioned that the kernal hasn't been flashed Jul 17 15:27:22 yes Jul 17 15:27:24 running flash-and-reboot should do it Jul 17 15:27:34 hwo do I do that last part? Jul 17 15:27:44 in real newbie terms? :) Jul 17 15:28:21 Just run "flash-and-reboot" in the X-Terminal program that is in Utilities :) Jul 17 15:29:02 just type that in after ~ $ ? Jul 17 15:29:09 yes Jul 17 15:29:57 i get this then: -sh: flash-and-reboot: not found Jul 17 15:30:06 Are you on diablo? Jul 17 15:30:09 yes Jul 17 15:30:20 Then it should be present. Jul 17 15:30:26 810 diablo Jul 17 15:30:39 qwerty12, hmm, I think I needed to do apt-get -f install before I had it Jul 17 15:30:49 Ahh, good point, johnx, thanks. Jul 17 15:31:14 manga: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_To:_Enable_screen_rotation_in_Diablo Jul 17 15:31:33 Should go through the steps of doing apt-get install and running flash-and-reboot etc Jul 17 15:31:56 think ill have a go at gettin the rotation in the 770 kernel this weekend Jul 17 15:32:34 graduation tomorrow though, woo Jul 17 15:32:47 ha, congrats Jul 17 15:33:38 it's so pointless, ive got my results, i dont want to go back just to spend more money on travel, outfit, photographs etc etc :( Jul 17 15:33:56 Atarii, it's not for you. It's for your parents :) Jul 17 15:34:08 working on it, brb Jul 17 15:34:11 ah, true :p Jul 17 15:34:47 * lardman got his certificate, opened it up, and it said something about an unpaid library fine Jul 17 15:34:52 take note! Jul 17 15:35:05 lol Jul 17 15:35:29 i kept away from the library, I should be fine (no pun intended) ;P Jul 17 15:35:29 lardman: Still got your DSP Programmers Manual from that library? :P Jul 17 15:35:30 It's difficult reading while walking, I was thinking how crap the cert looked :D Jul 17 15:35:47 qwerty12: nah, I'm a mechanical engineer Jul 17 15:35:58 Ah, cool :) Jul 17 15:36:20 Ok, dodgy cflags time, what needs to be removed? http://pastebin.com/d6acf0f5a . Thanks. Jul 17 15:36:58 qwerty12, what's the error? Jul 17 15:37:07 or is this a quiz? :P Jul 17 15:37:33 No error, it's just I'm not sure on all those CFLAGS and I don't feel like burning out the wittle cpu on the N800 :P Jul 17 15:37:51 Don't think I've ever seen -fweb before, what's that for? Jul 17 15:38:04 qwerty12: well removing optimisation will help it Jul 17 15:38:17 lardman: no idea. Jul 17 15:38:28 lardman: but then I will burn out from the slowness Jul 17 15:38:50 the universe may well end with gcc swapping to your SD trying to use -O3 though Jul 17 15:40:03 Haha, 8GB SD with 48Mhz speed, let the games begin :P Jul 17 15:40:20 Or not, as it's the only 8GB I have. /me sets it to 02 Jul 17 15:40:38 try and see I guess is the answer Jul 17 15:40:54 the -O flags are supposed to use much more memory during compile though afaiu Jul 17 15:41:09 O2 is pretty standard, IIRC Jul 17 15:41:16 O3 is "gentoo" :) Jul 17 15:41:44 03 is useless on the NIT Jul 17 15:41:48 standard and only 128Mb in which to run OS+GCC are probably different though ;) Jul 17 15:42:21 some might even argue that 03 is useless on a desktop Jul 17 15:44:30 'night all Jul 17 15:44:39 night johnx Jul 17 15:44:39 'night johnx Jul 17 15:44:45 :) Jul 17 15:45:21 night johnx Jul 17 15:45:54 Don't the -O flags do different things on different platforms anyway? Jul 17 15:46:38 it worked, thanks a lot! Jul 17 15:47:11 Well, gnuboy compiled with the optimisations, time to see if it plays cokemon faster (no not a typo...). Jul 17 15:53:58 Thanks, Qwert's Jul 17 15:54:30 Np. /me thanks nemo for making that excellent guide :) Jul 17 15:55:52 yea, that guide was a breeze Jul 17 15:55:57 crashanddie, O3 is great on the paltform, its bloated though Jul 17 15:56:07 wish everything was as easy Jul 17 15:56:34 damn Jul 17 15:56:47 lcuk_work, bigger executables, longer loading times, useless on minimalistic devices, you need optimized programming, that's all Jul 17 15:59:38 Seems like the optimisation failed here, now it runs even slower :P. Time to remove some cflags. Jul 17 16:01:05 crashanddie, but O3 does all the nice inline stuff, without it you dont get that Jul 17 16:32:54 rm_you: you here? Jul 17 16:39:07 hmm, im starting to suspect that my browser issue have something to do with javascript. at least things seem a bit more stable if i turn javascript off. not much more but a bit... Jul 17 16:42:06 the maemo tar doesn't have a -j option? Jul 17 16:42:07 stupid Jul 17 16:42:56 blame nokia for not including it in their busybox config. you could apt-get source busybox and recompile it to include -j option. Or add xarchiver repo and use gnutar. Jul 17 16:44:46 or just bunzip2 first, then untar :) Jul 17 16:45:21 Ha, yeah :). I'm just used to tar doing everything so I install gnutar and replace the crap busybox one with that :) Jul 17 16:45:34 * qwerty12 really should get around to pimping out busybox Jul 17 16:45:44 I might do that sometime Jul 17 16:46:00 qwerty12: if you pimp out busybox, I'll love you long time Jul 17 16:46:19 I'm currently ONLY using the debian chroot to avoid busybox. Night and day. Jul 17 16:46:47 That's an incentive... :P, nah joke. But I patched the busybox source to let me make menuconfig and the amount of options scared me. 0.0 Jul 17 16:47:56 Having a real find command is essential for me Jul 17 16:48:42 Someone's done a pimped busybox here: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/busybox-test/ but it's outdated now. Jul 17 16:49:06 hi to all Jul 17 16:49:18 hello Jul 17 16:53:00 going home now Jul 17 16:53:05 gah, a reinstall of micrb-engine later and suddenly things seems to work normally again :S Jul 17 16:53:10 cheers everyone Jul 17 16:54:11 sometimes its the simplest of things... Jul 17 16:55:20 hi lcuk Jul 17 16:57:26 Hi guys. Im looking for xchat (or another irc client) for a nokia770. No weblinks seem to work for me, and I cant see xchat in any of the repositories. Can anyone help? Jul 17 16:57:43 irssi ftw Jul 17 16:58:16 I tried looking for that earlier without luck... Will search again. Thanks Jul 17 16:58:20 I use pidgin Jul 17 16:58:22 stuwyatt what OS? Jul 17 16:58:36 2006, 2007HE or 2008HE? Jul 17 16:58:44 I think its the original 2006 OS... I did upgrade to 2007HE, but I think its back to 2006 Jul 17 16:59:06 Does pidgin do IRC? Jul 17 16:59:22 stuwyatt: pidgin does, but nto well Jul 17 16:59:25 not* Jul 17 16:59:32 I use irssi + screen + ssh Jul 17 16:59:47 stuwyatt: http://maemo-hackers.org/ Jul 17 16:59:51 ok thanks... I saw some good reviews of the xchat port, but it seems to have dissapeared Jul 17 16:59:53 xchat is there for 2006 Jul 17 17:00:20 Its listed, but the install is offsite (if its the same link I tried already)... and its down Jul 17 17:00:41 OOoohhh, no, I've not been here Jul 17 17:00:49 Thanks Atarii... Will give this a go Jul 17 17:01:25 it appears to be there, visble here: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/x/xchat/ Jul 17 17:01:26 np Jul 17 17:05:51 Atarii> Works perfectly. Thanks for your help! Bye. Jul 17 17:09:10 moo Jul 17 17:09:14 lcuk Jul 17 17:09:20 lol yes Jul 17 17:12:07 * lcuk cuts RST38h up and makes a leather jacket out of his hide Jul 17 17:13:14 have ppp software for os2008? Jul 17 17:13:15 rm_you wake up Jul 17 17:13:23 * qwerty12 cuts up lcuk and finds nothing useful there :P Jul 17 17:13:36 evicts qwerty12 Jul 17 17:13:38 damn Jul 17 17:13:41 * lcuk evicts qwerty12 Jul 17 17:13:43 apt-get moo Jul 17 17:14:08 no no, it's apt-get install cowsay. Maybe you can contribute to that ubuntu bug :> Jul 17 17:14:49 qwerty12: are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125? Jul 17 17:14:55 ~lart dentists Jul 17 17:14:55 * infobot shoots dentists in his sleep Jul 17 17:15:05 mgedmin: yep >.< Jul 17 17:16:16 My ITT profile has a visit from the devil. Jul 17 17:16:22 lcuk: dentists also want to earn money - the easiest way is to inflict pain on an healthy patient ;p Jul 17 17:19:35 jott: with the current environment, how do you guys run the ABSA stand alone? Jul 17 17:20:24 * lcuk laughs Jul 17 17:21:05 daperl: just compile it with -DTEST_PLUGIN Jul 17 17:21:07 jott, i work above a dentists, i see people come in looking healthy and leave looking like dribbling nervous wrecks Jul 17 17:21:46 daperl: gcc -g -o ab advanced-backlight.c $(pkg-config gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 libhildonwm libhildondesktop --libs --cflags) -DTEST_PLUGIN -Wall -lXrandr -DGETTEXT_PACKAGE=\"advanced-backlight\" Jul 17 17:21:53 i use the above ^^ Jul 17 17:24:05 So, nothing in the make/config files, you just command line it, I see Jul 17 17:24:21 daperl: yes at the moment. it's just for testing purpose anyway Jul 17 17:27:38 jott: that's easy, thanks Jul 17 17:27:49 is it me or did the maemo wiki ssl cert expired yesterday ? Jul 17 17:28:00 IT'S A TRAP! Jul 17 17:28:09 * Mousey hides Jul 17 17:28:56 Mousey hides to find my glock pointing at him. Game over. Jul 17 17:29:15 you have a glockinspiel? i love that sound! Jul 17 17:29:25 ffs qwerty12 what have we told you about pointing guns at people Jul 17 17:29:36 Mousey: Ha :P Jul 17 17:29:50 lcuk: what have you told me? Jul 17 17:30:56 ok im not doing that again, there is far too many results on google for qwerty12 weapons Jul 17 17:31:31 wtf, the first result isn't me :/ Jul 17 17:31:38 the se-nse stuff is :/ Jul 17 17:32:01 hahaha Jul 17 17:32:21 its ok qwerty, i died in an industrial accident according to google :) Jul 17 17:33:00 jott: I've added those files to the maemo-barcode svn now Jul 17 17:33:13 lcuk: :/ :P Jul 17 17:33:16 bbl Jul 17 17:33:47 lardman: ah good. i just started playing around with gst. Jul 17 17:34:23 the code compiles and shows an image ok Jul 17 17:34:37 as lcuk said, need to work out how to reduce the framerate and the resolution Jul 17 17:34:45 as atm it's rather laggy Jul 17 17:35:28 now im home lardman, ill pastebin the python code and show you - it should be simply telling the gstreamer camera stage what res you want it Jul 17 17:35:46 thanks Jul 17 17:36:28 jott: the other thing is that we don't even need the RGB conversion part of the pipeline, the Y of the default YUV output is B&W anyway isn't it Jul 17 17:36:38 yes Jul 17 17:37:00 wheres your c repository lardman, whilst im connecting i might just be able to spot it in there Jul 17 17:37:06 you can just set the resolution in the camera->ffmpeg connection Jul 17 17:37:17 quite easy Jul 17 17:37:36 and just set yuv as default Jul 17 17:38:51 go for it, I'm going to continue converting the matlab code Jul 17 17:39:14 ah still missing the example_bla.h .. i'll just fix that Jul 17 17:39:29 I can add that, hang on Jul 17 17:39:36 or you can Jul 17 17:42:08 lardman http://pastebin.ca/1074518 Jul 17 17:42:40 ah, you set it in there, I see Jul 17 17:43:00 lardman: ok commited Jul 17 17:43:09 cool Jul 17 17:43:15 it's much faster now ;) Jul 17 17:43:51 wheres the svn? Jul 17 17:44:14 how do I checkout, surely I don't need to give the url again? Jul 17 17:44:26 maemo-barcode in Garage Jul 17 17:44:32 lardman: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode Jul 17 17:44:37 svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode Jul 17 17:44:45 erm lcuk Jul 17 17:44:48 hmm, I'm surprised it doesn't remember Jul 17 17:45:01 svn up Jul 17 17:45:10 if you have alread checked it out Jul 17 17:45:25 ah, ok Jul 17 17:45:27 thanks Jul 17 17:47:00 supper time, bbiab Jul 17 17:48:24 thanks jott Jul 17 17:48:26 mh looks like cheese would make a decent framework for proper camera init stuff Jul 17 17:54:21 anyone ever had networkmanager going properly on debian? Jul 17 17:58:20 I should add that I tacked onto the end of the maemo-barcode.c file, the main() fns for a dmtx decoder, etc. Jul 17 18:00:11 http://oss.devit.com/datamatrix/ or http://www.libdmtx.org/ Jul 17 18:00:27 If we can find code that does 1D then I'm happy to use that Jul 17 18:00:34 lardman, when i come across stuff like that, to keep it together i put a link in the code :) Jul 17 18:01:07 lcuk: yeah, I forgot in this case, was for personal use until lunchtime Jul 17 18:01:11 * lcuk is doing that with the libjpeg stuff Jul 17 18:01:18 i know Jul 17 18:01:42 even for personal memory though - if i dont i think "where the ** did i get that Jul 17 18:02:20 google :) Jul 17 18:02:31 doesnt always help Jul 17 18:02:44 and is a great waste of time Jul 17 18:03:03 ill bbl anyway, tea time Jul 17 18:03:16 * zap wonders why Nokia hardcoded the password to diablo repository in /usr/lib/apt/methods/http Jul 17 18:03:48 zap: legal reasons i suppose... Jul 17 18:04:02 well there were no problems with chinook? Jul 17 18:04:10 and I thought Nokia goes to more openness? Jul 17 18:04:36 hah Jul 17 18:04:53 well chinook did not have most of the base debs available at all Jul 17 18:09:00 hmm, I don't see much that will do 1D barcodes, I'll try and see if I can get my code converted to C asap Jul 17 18:10:34 lardman|cooking: I've started converting qrcode to C. Jul 17 18:10:55 It'll take a while longer than I thought, because a lot of it needs to be rewritten. Jul 17 18:27:48 derf: great :) (the converting, not the time) Jul 17 18:28:16 1re Jul 17 18:28:19 x Jul 17 18:32:22 http://www.adams1.com/pub/russadam/stack.html lots to do ;) Jul 17 18:33:13 ./ Jul 17 18:33:36 looks fun to me - lots of challenges to overcome, but it can be done bit-by-bit Jul 17 18:44:03 :D Jul 17 18:44:14 Hey Jul 17 18:48:38 Hi Jul 17 18:49:24 hi GNUton Jul 17 18:49:34 Hi summatusmentis! :) Jul 17 18:49:59 Hello, you in Finland now? :) Jul 17 18:50:02 https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008 wiki.maemo.org uses an invalid security certificate. Jul 17 18:50:05 The certificate expired on 07/16/2008 01:59 AM. Jul 17 18:50:08 fyi Jul 17 18:50:48 qwerty12_N800: yes I´am Jul 17 18:51:10 nice :) Jul 17 18:51:41 qwerty12_N800: where are you? Jul 17 18:51:56 I'm in London Jul 17 18:52:32 hello GNUton Jul 17 18:52:34 qwerty12_N800: great! :) I´m never been in Ij. Jul 17 18:52:44 moo, gnuton Jul 17 18:52:47 Hi jott, how are you? Jul 17 18:52:54 hey RST38bis! :) Jul 17 18:53:30 jott: do u have update the style? Jul 17 18:53:38 GNUton: yeah fine, waiting for response from tt legal .. Jul 17 18:53:52 GNUton: no, not yet. i wait for response first. Jul 17 18:54:01 ok. Jul 17 18:54:38 and jens is on vacation at the moment Jul 17 18:54:55 but hopefully all will turn out to a better in the end ;) Jul 17 18:55:05 jott: damn! :/ Jul 17 18:55:41 i am still optimistic ;) Jul 17 18:55:55 a ok.. doble damn! :( Jul 17 18:55:58 double Jul 17 18:56:31 no reason to "damn" yet .. :) Jul 17 18:56:52 lardman|cooking: i updated the code a bit again so you know... Jul 17 18:56:56 :) aha I´m just kidding! :) Jul 17 18:59:59 jott: so, here's the problem with the volume change stuff: you're getting notified of a volume change when you're making the volume change. Bad. Jul 17 19:01:33 you only want to be notified when some other app makes a change Jul 17 19:01:58 daperl: add a lock. Jul 17 19:02:08 or learn to ignore when its the interactive user has the stylus pressed on the scrollbar (or keypress) Jul 17 19:02:34 Atarii: g_object_freeze_notify should be there.. Jul 17 19:02:37 arg Jul 17 19:02:38 daperl: ^^ Jul 17 19:02:43 maybe it's missing in some spot? Jul 17 19:03:20 feel free to make a patch against svn head :) Jul 17 19:03:55 no, 'cause you'll just yank my code again :) Jul 17 19:04:04 uh? Jul 17 19:04:11 found a bug in microb Jul 17 19:04:27 what are you talking about? Jul 17 19:04:46 when image loading is disableed, it will not load ANY images Jul 17 19:05:05 even ones that you open directly Jul 17 19:05:33 it should only skip inlined images instead Jul 17 19:07:16 jott: just pulled Jul 17 19:08:02 lardman: i set the framerate to 8 fps and analyse_image should be called all the time now.. Jul 17 19:08:08 cool Jul 17 19:08:40 (8 fps is the minimum as it seems) Jul 17 19:11:12 jott: the thaw _sends_ all the notifications. how do i subsume them? Jul 17 19:12:48 daperl: ah indeed Jul 17 19:12:54 I think then i would have to play with the event queue when a separate thread is much easier Jul 17 19:13:32 daperl: not sure how to remove them.. it might be easier to just disconnect the signals?! Jul 17 19:14:30 i commented out the sig connect and it dumped. i could try again Jul 17 19:15:06 in MATLAB I can do this: elseif sum(code== [1 1 0 1 0 0])==6; it was suggested I use memcmp() to do this in C, can I memcmp() against a static value? Jul 17 19:15:08 we just would need to store the connection ids... and maybe wrap it in an helper Jul 17 19:15:25 memcmp(code, {1,1,1,1,1,1}) or similar? Jul 17 19:16:09 lardman: i think this should work (with the right syntax ;) Jul 17 19:16:29 jott: no, that won't work. Jul 17 19:16:48 mh Jul 17 19:16:50 hmm, perhaps strcmp then? Jul 17 19:17:15 jott: you cannot pass struct-style definitions as arguments. Jul 17 19:17:30 but you can pass a predefined char array Jul 17 19:17:37 preinitialized ^ Jul 17 19:17:41 lardman: I am not sure what you actually want to do. Jul 17 19:17:43 yeah, I need 9 then Jul 17 19:17:44 nomis: yeh that's why i said "with the right syntax" .. Jul 17 19:17:51 nomis: I'll get you a linky Jul 17 19:17:54 lardman, what exactly is this meant to do sum(code== [1 1 0 1 0 0])==6 Jul 17 19:18:04 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/ Jul 17 19:18:19 I want to check that a set of 6 values in an array is correct Jul 17 19:18:21 jott: ok, we probably disagree on what "syntax" means :) Jul 17 19:18:37 nomis: yeah well in this particular case it's arguable ;) Jul 17 19:18:45 nomis: see url above, in the file *.m, in fn decodeParity() Jul 17 19:18:48 but what datatype is the array Jul 17 19:18:53 char Jul 17 19:19:12 and it contains 1s or 0s Jul 17 19:19:16 yes Jul 17 19:19:33 lcuk: that's matlab magic ;) Jul 17 19:19:35 strcmp wont work (ends at nulls if i remember rightly Jul 17 19:19:50 I could add \0 to the ends Jul 17 19:20:01 just write a quick simple func passing 2 char *s and a length Jul 17 19:20:16 you could lardman, but strcmp will stop at the first \0 encountered Jul 17 19:20:17 lardman: you *can* do char foo[] = { 1,1,0,0,1,0 }; memcmp (data, foo, sizeof(foo)); Jul 17 19:20:21 I still need to statically define them then Jul 17 19:20:21 or did you mean '0' and '1' Jul 17 19:20:29 not sure about the sizeof thing at the moment. Jul 17 19:20:31 lcuk: ah yes, true Jul 17 19:20:47 memcmp :) Jul 17 19:20:59 not as neat, but what did I expect!? Jul 17 19:22:10 nomis :) knowledge of the std lib will probably save me a lot of time i see Jul 17 19:23:01 jott, is matlab another one of your superpowers? Jul 17 19:23:44 lcuk: na not really, i just did some basic cv stuff with it and forgot probably half of it. Jul 17 19:24:07 (image recoginition etc.) Jul 17 19:24:08 ahhha a weakness ;) Jul 17 19:24:48 but i am aware of the basic vectorization concepts it implies ;) Jul 17 19:25:18 strange in the first moment, but can be really sweet. Jul 17 19:26:11 http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/spec/r4099.htm ah that seems to be the yuv the camera spits out Jul 17 19:26:42 interleaved, yuck Jul 17 19:27:43 mmh well either we use the rgb output or just grab the luma.. i don't know how big the perfomance impact would be in this case... Jul 17 19:29:28 if you think thats bad, look at what the LCD accepts ;) http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/omapfb.txt Jul 17 19:29:40 ssvb might be able to do us a nice optimised memcpy which pulls out the luma Jul 17 19:30:13 jott: you know what makes it run much better? when no other applets are running when you're runnint it stand alone. Nothing like removing the sound and ABSA from the statusbar to help things along Jul 17 19:30:41 jott is latest in svn? Jul 17 19:30:47 ill grab and see if i can give you a plane Jul 17 19:31:18 lcuk: yes.. look at analyse_image at the bottom.. the data[] should contain it... Jul 17 19:31:26 what are you trying to find in those images? Jul 17 19:31:32 though the format looks really trivial ;) Jul 17 19:31:33 aliens Jul 17 19:31:40 white noise Jul 17 19:31:49 yes, just ignore every 2nd byte Jul 17 19:31:50 RST38bis: barcodes ;) Jul 17 19:32:00 lcuk: yep ;) Jul 17 19:32:07 ? Jul 17 19:32:16 transparency + gtk fixedconainer/viewport ? any idea how to get it working?? Jul 17 19:32:24 they're everywhere, I even saw one in the Times today Jul 17 19:32:26 ah! i would grab the luma then Jul 17 19:32:52 RST38bis: yep hat's the plan for now Jul 17 19:33:07 you will need bw image anyway Jul 17 19:33:11 i hope the format is right :) Jul 17 19:33:17 im gonna pop the output into a planar YUV anyway and get blittin it around Jul 17 19:33:17 RST38bis: yeah Jul 17 19:33:23 lcuk: got any idea? Jul 17 19:33:42 no idea madhav, look at gtk documentation Jul 17 19:33:48 ok Jul 17 19:34:53 ok, you need cylon/knight rider scanner for this barcode thing Jul 17 19:35:26 thanks lcuk Jul 17 19:35:53 and it has to play muzak via a2dp, perhaps the scanner needs to be 3d? Jul 17 19:36:05 yw lardman :) Jul 17 19:36:32 ok this should get the Ys :) Jul 17 19:38:12 lcuk: as long as it has the deathray, you can skip on muzak, a2dp, 3d... Jul 17 19:38:36 * lardman tries to work out what the hell he was thinking in his MATLAB code :S Jul 17 19:38:40 yer i suppose you are right, but we also need a button on screen to call for a supervisor Jul 17 19:39:01 only if you scan alcohol though Jul 17 19:39:15 i wish we could make the keyboard ping out like arkrights Jul 17 19:41:39 * GAN800 should probably stop leaping down the throats of poor Nokia engineers on Bugzilla. . . . Jul 17 19:42:04 your turn to get out of bed on the wrong side? Jul 17 19:43:55 gan: go for the testicles, more painful this way Jul 17 19:47:32 lardman: ok it seems to work now.. i can output a scanline of the image with a simple threshold filter Jul 17 19:47:52 are there extra modules, like usbserial.ko in binary form somewhere trustful on the internets - like for 2.6.21-omap1 ? Jul 17 19:47:53 a big hacky atm but for now thats fine Jul 17 19:48:47 * lcuk wonders why he goes through the trouble of dev on tablet Jul 17 19:49:13 does andLinux support scratchbox Jul 17 19:50:18 Nah, not quite that bad, and he deserved it more. Jul 17 19:51:31 lcuk: apparently it does but just barely Jul 17 19:51:53 pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/linux-kernel-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz - not so trustworthy but we use it in the NIT debian project :P Jul 17 19:52:02 RST38bis, lots of messing? Jul 17 19:52:06 pusling: wrong url.. sec Jul 17 19:52:10 lardman: and we are below 20% cpu atm.. Jul 17 19:52:21 An ENHANCEMENT should be closed a invalid because their functionality is broken? Please. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3436 Jul 17 19:52:33 good to hear Jul 17 19:52:36 pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/linux-modules-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz Jul 17 19:52:38 Don't lie, close it as WONTFIX Jul 17 19:52:43 I'm nearly done on the first pass through my code Jul 17 19:52:43 woot. just added a third RF interface to my N800 (after BT and wifi), comes AX.25 networking on 144MHz with a USB attached Terminal Node Controller. So far, I've received 129 packets. That took a custom kernel, and three packages - one library, one set of system tools and one set of user apps Jul 17 19:52:45 lcuk: somebody (qwerty?) has been using it, but it was messy Jul 17 19:53:12 probably, ill ask him Jul 17 19:53:15 Stskeeps: thanks. maybe I should look at NIT debian as well - now I just have debian on a flash card and have hacked the init system to mount the flashcard, bindmount dev, mount proc and chroot into debian ;) Jul 17 19:53:17 i cant bear vmware Jul 17 19:53:43 omg im getting worse Jul 17 19:53:54 and you cam bear the tablet? . . . Jul 17 19:54:17 Stskeeps: I get a nice 404 ? Jul 17 19:54:32 gah.. that's what i get for not taking some coffee.. Jul 17 19:54:32 and I can't understand why there is no windoze based sdk Jul 17 19:54:38 pusling: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit-debian/linux-modules-2.6.21-omap1.tar.gz Jul 17 19:54:55 RST38bis, too much work. Jul 17 19:55:12 Stskeeps: now I get files at least ;) Jul 17 19:55:20 Besides, there is, it's called 'vmware' Jul 17 19:55:30 lcuk, it does, but it's a bit awkward transfering files and copy and paste as non-root in andlinux (essential for sbox) is a little funky Jul 17 19:55:54 has anything happened to wiki.maemo.org? I can't find anything on gdb/ddd and I'm sure I wrote something about ddd Jul 17 19:55:59 pusling: NIT-debian is proceeding nicely, we have wifi power save and such working already, - still needing some Diablo fixes from johnx but beyond that it's a cute little debian install Jul 17 19:56:09 gan: vmwaare != native Jul 17 19:56:33 even scratchbox itself is emulated isnt it Jul 17 19:56:44 gan: bug 3436 was just destined to be rejected Jul 17 19:56:44 so vmware is 2 levels of abstraction Jul 17 19:56:49 fnordianslip, have you tried editing debian/control for your deb problem? Jul 17 19:57:11 lcuk: scratchbox isn't emulated - it uses emulation sometimes but it nativel Jul 17 19:57:17 y cross compiles Jul 17 19:57:26 they will not fix stuff that relies on 3rd party software for proof Jul 17 19:57:46 lbt, ok then: its a system within a system within a system Jul 17 19:57:49 RST38bis, it doesn't rely on anything 3rd party. Jul 17 19:58:05 gan: adv backlight Jul 17 19:58:08 adv backlight or root Jul 17 19:58:14 yes... and? Jul 17 19:58:18 lcuk: if your CPU supports virtualization extensions, you can run ubuntu in qemu-kvm at about 70% of your native CPU speed Jul 17 19:58:20 Get over it, Windows sucks. Move on. ;) Jul 17 19:58:21 its mindboggling Jul 17 19:58:27 qwerty12_N800: not yet, i was just wondering about what to hack at next. that sounds like the place to look. Jul 17 19:58:54 nah - you just need to think about boxes Jul 17 19:58:55 i have done: if i had enough disk space i wouldnt bother using anything other than directly native Jul 17 19:58:57 RST38bis, read the comments, you can get the exact behaviour with dsmetool. Jul 17 19:59:01 no, really, why no crosscompiler on windows? Jul 17 19:59:06 a box is a box in a box or out of a box Jul 17 19:59:15 Which is most certainly 1st-party. Jul 17 19:59:17 Stskeeps: so I should get started and package qtopia for debian ? ;) Jul 17 19:59:23 lbt, i often write compiler compilers (yacc wasnt forthcoming for vb base..) Jul 17 19:59:50 i have no problem with it at certain levels, but for entire systems it hurts my head. its like chrooting Jul 17 19:59:58 gan: yea, and if you kept adv backlight out of it, they would have no reason to refuse;) Jul 17 20:00:28 pusling: hey, why not :P Jul 17 20:00:42 Stskeeps: ENOTIME ;) Jul 17 20:00:43 RST38bis, tried to make things easier for everybody, tried to be reasonable. Jul 17 20:00:48 dont you need root for dsmetool? Jul 17 20:00:55 ya Jul 17 20:01:04 lcuk, so? Jul 17 20:01:08 therefore not out of the box Jul 17 20:01:20 gan: close this bug, open new one without adv backlight see what happens Jul 17 20:01:25 you have to do none standard stuff and void warranty :) Jul 17 20:01:32 lcuk, no, sudo is out of the box Jul 17 20:01:38 Meh, R&D is still first party. Jul 17 20:01:55 RST38bis, that's stupid. Jul 17 20:02:23 gan: if they tag it as same as, argut that it is not the same Jul 17 20:02:26 qwerty12_N800, whats the root password? Jul 17 20:02:26 I'd mark the second as dupe and reopen the first if somebody did that. ;) Jul 17 20:02:59 gan: that is how corporate softw. dev works Jul 17 20:03:17 RST38bis, that's not how Bugzilla works. Jul 17 20:03:46 bugzilla is just a web app for tracking bugs Jul 17 20:03:56 lcuk, no idea, i've never bothered to crack an default /etc/password. but that is a feature of sudo, you can add programs that you wish to run as root without an password prompt Jul 17 20:04:25 in addition to bugzilla you have to deal with their internal support guidelines Jul 17 20:04:33 yes i know: user ALL = NOPASSWD: /media/mmc1/liqbase-0.0.1/liqbase Jul 17 20:04:48 i.e., doing stupid bug contortions for stupid Nokia engineers is not a behaviour I'm willing to put up with on b.m.o Jul 17 20:04:57 but to write sudoers you need root dont you.. Jul 17 20:05:21 which nokia has to give with the provided application manager Jul 17 20:05:27 gan: no need to confront, just stubbornly follow procedure Jul 17 20:05:44 ok, i'm out for now Jul 17 20:06:03 qwerty12_N800, the aim is not to bypass any of the nokia disclaimers. once you do that you are in uncharted water Jul 17 20:06:24 but it doesnt matter, i got about 10,000000 things to try and fit onto a tiny memstick Jul 17 20:06:24 rm_you: are you here? Jul 17 20:06:56 lcuk, ok, my bad, maybe i should read this bug ;p... Jul 17 20:08:00 jott, lcuk: I've uploaded my first pass at C-ifying, still lots to do - malloc'ing, fn arguments (pointers rather than returning arrays, etc.) Jul 17 20:08:03 * qwerty12_N800 couldn't give two craps about what has root access on a tablet personally Jul 17 20:08:12 going to have a TV break, will get back to it later Jul 17 20:08:26 ok lardman :) Jul 17 20:11:38 great. Jul 17 20:11:57 well at that pace we have the app ready tomorrow ;) Jul 17 20:12:17 even with tv breaks ;)+ Jul 17 20:12:24 off to vacation, see everyone in a couple weeks :P Jul 17 20:12:58 peace Jul 17 20:13:03 * ianf-h is getting his N810 today Jul 17 20:13:05 woot woot Jul 17 20:16:58 oh sh*t Jul 17 20:17:03 my n810 reboots forever Jul 17 20:17:22 boots to half, and reboots again :( good byte lots of installed packages Jul 17 20:17:48 * qwerty12_N800 has had that experience *lots* of times Jul 17 20:18:12 and how you reinstall your stuff? by hand each time? Jul 17 20:19:04 yep :(, but diablo's app restore is more reliable Jul 17 20:19:13 ^ now Jul 17 20:21:41 zap, that's why you install fanoush's bootmenu. Jul 17 20:22:02 i apt-get installed devscripts on my N800 yesterday, hitting y a couple of times without paying attention to what it was saying. it uninstalled everything including busybox. good-bye world. Jul 17 20:22:02 * qwerty12_N800 will probably attempt to make a stripped down of maemo that has the sole purpose of running mtd-utils to backup the rootfs :/ Jul 17 20:23:06 * zap shutters remembering how many thousand times he passed the 'doctor sequence' on pocketpc Jul 17 20:23:12 nice work Stskeeps Jul 17 20:23:21 qwerty12, couldn't that be provided as Jul 17 20:23:35 a 'backup' mode in the initfs? Jul 17 20:24:34 maybe even a ready rescue initfs Jul 17 20:24:39 Heck, with rsync I bet you could set it up to run on boot every x days Jul 17 20:24:45 make a maemo live mmc :D Jul 17 20:25:11 GAN800, very good point actually, i could compile mtd-utils and shove it in the initfs and write a quick script to mount the mmc and run mtd-utils and dump the rootfs. Jul 17 20:25:14 so e.g. fanoushs initfs as redistributable file Jul 17 20:25:22 plus some extra utils Jul 17 20:25:25 that sounds a really good idea GAN800 Jul 17 20:26:01 Set it up to either back up to a computer with usbnet or to a card. Jul 17 20:26:43 Heck, you could provide something like this through Extras-devel, probably. Jul 17 20:26:53 need a way to choose internal vs card to backup Jul 17 20:27:12 OK, now that I've provided my idea, the rest of you go out and make Jul 17 20:27:18 it happen! Jul 17 20:27:34 * GAN800 sits back and sips lemonade. Jul 17 20:27:36 Stskeeps: yay. got ttyUSB0 with your tarball. Jul 17 20:27:54 * qwerty12_N800 reads up on how to compile uclibc toolchains. been years since i compiled one for my router ;) Jul 17 20:28:18 Years. . . . stfu 15-year-old. :P Jul 17 20:28:49 :p, i'm actually serious :/ :p Jul 17 20:29:14 GAN800, didnt you know, qwerty12_N800 was the boy out of the linux adverts Jul 17 20:29:22 ibm * Jul 17 20:29:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4 Jul 17 20:32:03 (in all seriousness, there was a little blond kid at linuxtag who was hacking away in the basement with little robots and stuff and looked happy to be there - reminded me of this linuxkid) Jul 17 20:32:35 The fkb seems to be randomly deciding to send enter when I type too fast these days. . . . Jul 17 20:36:56 is it normal for my syslog to be 10mb? Jul 17 20:38:39 well, a lot of crap is outputted by default (when sound is on, eac mode: play enabled, rec disabled etc) Jul 17 20:39:02 yer, but this goes back to before i was at linuxtag Jul 17 20:39:04 i kinda think its a bit overkill Jul 17 20:39:47 so is there syslogd.conf active? Jul 17 20:39:57 thats odd, i just did a standard google search for the file /var/log/logs/syslog and it gave NOTHING. i find that a bit odd Jul 17 20:40:01 iirc, a new syslog is made on each boot and the old one moved to syslog.old Jul 17 20:40:46 lcdd: if you're not running logrotate ;P Jul 17 20:41:07 qwerty12_N800: that depends on the config, default syslog configuration doesn't do that Jul 17 20:41:42 ah, i only use the nokia syslog. Jul 17 20:42:05 this one is the default syslog ;P Jul 17 20:42:09 WTF? i put "/var/log/logs/syslog" with quotes, it says nothing found, but there are there without quotes. i remove the quotes and i get nothing Jul 17 20:42:17 this is a googlism Jul 17 20:42:23 lol, lcuk, think you could break up the discussion on the Drivers page into clearer sections with proper threading? Jul 17 20:44:15 GeneralAntilles, if i knew how to i would (and i guess the same could be said for fanoush lol) neither of us appear to be able to get it to indent - every time i tried i got some stupid framed box Jul 17 20:44:26 : Jul 17 20:44:29 :: Jul 17 20:44:30 ::: Jul 17 20:44:32 :::: Jul 17 20:44:41 Just edit an existing talk page for examples. :P Jul 17 20:44:44 https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Drivers_justification&oldid=4605 Jul 17 20:45:03 Yes, one space gets you a codebox Jul 17 20:45:14 Step one is to break up the discussion into sections Jul 17 20:45:26 == Stuff About SRAM == Jul 17 20:45:27 so, to get code i put space and to get space i put : Jul 17 20:45:31 Steps two is to fix the threading Jul 17 20:45:39 OK, I just ran application manager and tried an update - failed... :( Jul 17 20:45:43 Replace your space with a colon Jul 17 20:45:56 libdb4.2, libglade2-0 and Operating System Jul 17 20:46:12 is this a known issue? Jul 17 20:46:56 ok gen :) thanks Jul 17 20:47:15 lcuk, it's easy once you learn the basic syntax. ;) Jul 17 20:47:41 I'd clean it up, but I don't have the energy to read through that wall-o'-text to figure out what's what. Jul 17 20:47:47 and don't want to step on toes. Jul 17 20:48:04 lcuk, bookmark this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cheatsheet Jul 17 20:50:59 sysklogd does the rotation thing. Jul 17 20:53:28 GeneralAntilles, can i indent and box? Jul 17 20:53:42 What package contains the termcap files? Jul 17 20:53:45 fnordianslip, any idea why it doesnt run on my device? Jul 17 20:54:02 lcuk, :
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Jul 17 20:54:06 have you rebooted since installing it? Jul 17 20:54:23 i don't think it started logging until i did that Jul 17 20:55:31 ive never installed it - i wondered why ive got a massive syslog Jul 17 20:55:33 now i know Jul 17 20:55:59 how big? Jul 17 20:56:31 anybody know where I could find a statusbar clock for diablo? Jul 17 20:56:46 * lcuk knows everything he did since jun 4 Jul 17 20:57:00 10mb Jul 17 20:57:13 i can safely delete it cant i Jul 17 20:57:14 thats not big Jul 17 20:57:23 on a small 256mb device it is Jul 17 20:57:34 echo /dev/null > /wherever/syslog Jul 17 20:57:50 jga23, it's in Extras Jul 17 20:57:51 or should be Jul 17 20:58:25 fnordianslip, :) thanks Jul 17 20:58:31 fnordianslip: no, just > /..../syslog Jul 17 20:58:43 otherwise it will contain the text "/dev/null" Jul 17 20:59:04 oh, is it cat, i've forgotten Jul 17 20:59:14 cat would work Jul 17 20:59:22 common idiom is just > Jul 17 20:59:23 so Jul 17 20:59:25 still, its only one line Jul 17 20:59:28 jga23: chinook extras probably Jul 17 20:59:30 > file Jul 17 20:59:40 oh yes... just FYI Jul 17 21:00:07 my apt is whinging about libdb2 Jul 17 21:00:11 lbt: thanks. interesting Jul 17 21:00:15 and I can't figure out why Jul 17 21:02:02 Large Statusbar Clock should be in Diablo Extras. Jul 17 21:02:32 GeneralAntilles, if i indent it all it looks dumb Jul 17 21:02:42 Indent what at all? Jul 17 21:02:48 it trails off and stops somewhere in china Jul 17 21:02:56 the discussion with me and fanoush Jul 17 21:03:10 Break it up so you don't have to take the threading so deep. Jul 17 21:03:12 Or something Jul 17 21:03:13 I dunno Jul 17 21:03:18 It's unreadable right now. Jul 17 21:04:24 lol i know Jul 17 21:04:56 hmm Jul 17 21:05:19 if my package needs terminfo files, which are not in extra Jul 17 21:05:34 should I pull the whole ncurses package from tools to extra? Jul 17 21:05:42 just to get the ncurses-base package? Jul 17 21:06:10 GeneralAntilles, give it a try now Jul 17 21:06:49 lol Jul 17 21:06:53 Whitespace!!! Jul 17 21:06:58 I'll look at it later. Jul 17 21:26:39 I'm heading for bed, will go through the code looking at the types, fn arguments/pointers and seeing if I can remove some of the million and one arrays I use Jul 17 21:26:50 -tomorrow that is Jul 17 21:26:53 night all Jul 17 21:26:57 alright lardman :) excellent start though Jul 17 21:27:25 * lardman is happy doing the maths stuff as long as someone else does the nasty GUI stuff :) Jul 17 21:27:49 see you tomorrow Jul 17 21:27:53 gnite Jul 17 21:38:43 rm_youuuuuuuu Jul 17 21:40:58 hi guys Jul 17 21:41:23 lcuk you around mate ? Jul 17 21:41:42 hi there LinuxCode :) Jul 17 21:41:43 was going to ask you, if you bought a 16GB microsd card Jul 17 21:41:46 hey mate Jul 17 21:41:54 heh, nope i have 1gb Jul 17 21:41:59 sorry wasnt around for a bit... graduated and my father passed away Jul 17 21:42:15 :) and :( at the same time Jul 17 21:42:15 I was looking at a few places Jul 17 21:42:27 was wondering if you knew a few others Jul 17 21:42:35 I hardly see a point buying something smaller Jul 17 21:42:47 if I want to try different distros etc.. Jul 17 21:42:53 no, i only got this because it had a micro->mini converter thing Jul 17 21:43:15 ok ;-} Jul 17 21:43:25 maybe somebody else knows something Jul 17 21:43:28 hehe Jul 17 21:43:31 * LinuxCode keeps googling Jul 17 21:43:32 maybe :) Jul 17 21:43:39 you missed this then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUPp_mE7rwI Jul 17 21:43:41 ta mate Jul 17 21:44:40 * LinuxCode is looking at it Jul 17 21:46:13 Atarii, does the brightness slider actually work for you? Jul 17 21:47:08 lcuk, wow Jul 17 21:47:12 im very impressed mate Jul 17 21:47:20 did you dev it and where can I get it ? Jul 17 21:47:21 no GAN800, does it you? Jul 17 21:47:33 so am i :) theres a link in the info bit on youtube Jul 17 21:47:33 talking of Jul 17 21:47:35 No Jul 17 21:47:39 it doesn't work even with the permissions set :( Jul 17 21:47:40 I havent even checked updates Jul 17 21:47:42 ive released a binary and the source is in garage Jul 17 21:47:44 umgh Jul 17 21:47:48 been so busy with sorting things out Jul 17 21:47:50 He keeps releasing these updates and none of them have done anything for me. . . . Jul 17 21:48:00 only got back from abroad sunday and leaving sunday again Jul 17 21:48:14 13-1 worked fully, but only went up to 123 Jul 17 21:48:16 cool, where are you calling home for now then Jul 17 21:48:25 im back home Jul 17 21:48:28 Cardiff Jul 17 21:48:43 have you found anywhere after graduating workwise? Jul 17 21:48:50 havent had time Jul 17 21:48:55 fair enough Jul 17 21:48:59 with everything happening Jul 17 21:49:14 but I have this guy hes a recruitment director Jul 17 21:49:27 he gave me his card when I went to the young professionals meeting of the BCS Jul 17 21:49:28 yer, it will settle down Jul 17 21:49:40 gotta update my cv mate Jul 17 21:49:59 its on my to do list for before sunday Jul 17 21:50:01 heh "bein a lazy linuxhacker" doesnt work for all jobs Jul 17 21:50:07 lol Jul 17 21:50:16 I wish I had been lazy Jul 17 21:50:31 its amazing how much my father accumulated in terms of research material Jul 17 21:50:41 nahhh, work hard, get where you want to be Jul 17 21:50:46 donated 20 boxes of books + 8 boxes of journals to uni Jul 17 21:50:48 :) Jul 17 21:50:59 I sorted that all out Jul 17 21:51:07 ohh you are speaking generally ? Jul 17 21:51:09 hehe Jul 17 21:51:15 i go through so much paper notepads im sure we could live without toilet roll Jul 17 21:51:15 ;-} Jul 17 21:51:18 Is it really that difficult to customize the N810 with apps etc (also the rotation option) ? Jul 17 21:51:21 lol Jul 17 21:51:22 I'm getting mine today. Jul 17 21:51:23 true Jul 17 21:51:29 I have post-it hell here Jul 17 21:51:37 why do you think i wrote liqbase :) Jul 17 21:51:41 opted for the N810 instead of the iPhone :P I couldn't deal with the typing via the screen Jul 17 21:51:42 aha! Jul 17 21:51:49 lcuk, is it on maemo ? Jul 17 21:51:57 i have saved half a rainforest already Jul 17 21:51:57 and btw it looks awesome Jul 17 21:52:00 yes Jul 17 21:52:03 sweet Jul 17 21:52:11 ianf-h it's easy Jul 17 21:52:13 theres no package at the moment because im doing all dev work on maemo itself Jul 17 21:52:13 is the opengl working now too ? Jul 17 21:52:20 ahh kk Jul 17 21:52:22 not yet, but we are working on it :) Jul 17 21:52:23 right on Jul 17 21:52:25 I wait a bit then Jul 17 21:52:28 ;-} Jul 17 21:52:30 https://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification Jul 17 21:52:40 man soo much to catch up on Jul 17 21:52:46 and I urgently need a memory card Jul 17 21:52:47 just read the forums thoroughly Jul 17 21:53:03 my n810 is complaining Jul 17 21:53:05 lol Jul 17 21:53:05 lol atarii, saying that is like trying to catch up on slashdot after a few days away Jul 17 21:53:33 my poor 810 is bursting at the seams, im having to mmap memory from my casio watch to get extra storage space Jul 17 21:53:42 looool Jul 17 21:53:44 hahaha Jul 17 21:53:49 got a spare watch mate ? Jul 17 21:53:50 Does bestbuy sell memory for cheap? Jul 17 21:53:55 checks itt gets addictive! Jul 17 21:53:57 I've gotta pick up some memory sticks for mine Jul 17 21:54:07 I could do with the memory and the watch Jul 17 21:54:14 being on here is worse, it's so easy to miss exciting things happening on here lol Jul 17 21:54:31 Any recommendation on the type of memory I should get? Jul 17 21:54:38 i cant remember Jul 17 21:54:44 ive got a bad memory Jul 17 21:54:48 checking* Jul 17 21:54:48 :P Jul 17 21:55:06 ianf-h, i really dunno Jul 17 21:55:57 ianf-h, newegg.com Jul 17 21:55:58 no worries Jul 17 21:56:04 GeneralAntilles, yeah? Jul 17 21:56:06 Best spot eh? Jul 17 21:56:10 I like newegg a lot Jul 17 21:56:13 somebody with a desktop, could you check the url to get a list of latest itt posts? Jul 17 21:56:17 Got a refurbished monitor for cheap from them Jul 17 21:56:27 need to know what it is Jul 17 21:56:44 ok so according to the forum you still cant buy a 16GB sdhc micro card in the UK Jul 17 21:57:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew Jul 17 21:57:08 16GB ? Jul 17 21:57:09 where Jul 17 21:57:13 ? Jul 17 21:57:50 atarii: thanka! Jul 17 21:58:10 AAAAaaaaaaaargh!!!!! f*'@&^n scratchbox Jul 17 21:58:25 Can you get 16GB cards? Jul 17 21:58:29 I can't find any on newegg Jul 17 21:58:33 oh no!!! lbt Jul 17 21:58:45 whats!!! up!!! with!!! it!!! Jul 17 21:58:48 guess I will delete a few things Jul 17 21:59:02 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Jul 17 21:59:04 but we been waiting months for that Jul 17 21:59:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew Jul 17 21:59:14 What does it think I'm f'ing doing!!!! Jul 17 21:59:16 just uninstall the stuff you dont need Jul 17 21:59:17 er Jul 17 21:59:20 Nevermind Jul 17 21:59:30 lcuk, indeed Jul 17 21:59:32 lbt, cant you just run it? Jul 17 21:59:32 ;-} Jul 17 21:59:41 lbt, what problems? :\ Jul 17 21:59:46 or even when you do that its stuck? Jul 17 21:59:52 thing is I like to try things out hehe Jul 17 22:00:07 I got the NIT to do an upgrade - at which point it's using libhildonmm-1.0.so.2.0.0 Jul 17 22:00:14 which I can't get into sb Jul 17 22:00:23 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171349 Jul 17 22:00:25 Would that work? Jul 17 22:00:42 lbt, you updated nit to diablo but still using chinook sdk? Jul 17 22:00:58 er wait Jul 17 22:01:00 it's not micro Jul 17 22:01:01 I think the sdk is half updated Jul 17 22:01:01 thought it was Jul 17 22:01:02 * RST38bis building a few packages as we speak Jul 17 22:01:19 * lcuk is staying with chinook for a while Jul 17 22:01:31 oh LinuxCode new version is out 4.1, fast gps Jul 17 22:01:38 MasterGear and Virtual GameBoy done Jul 17 22:01:38 +moar Jul 17 22:01:57 gameboy done? sweet Jul 17 22:01:58 just need to test andx Jul 17 22:02:00 of maemo ? Jul 17 22:02:03 yes Jul 17 22:02:14 then i will have to flah the thing Jul 17 22:02:16 hehe Jul 17 22:02:17 release for all platforms Jul 17 22:02:22 then you will have plenty of space again Jul 17 22:02:28 indeed Jul 17 22:02:29 haha Jul 17 22:02:34 are they uploaded yet? Jul 17 22:02:52 fast gps sounds good Jul 17 22:03:05 nope - no real internet access, just gprs Jul 17 22:03:26 yer apparantly it locks faster than a drunken policeman in a ghetto Jul 17 22:03:32 linuxcode: not fast, just somewhat faster Jul 17 22:03:46 RST38bis, any improvement is welcome Jul 17 22:04:03 actually getting a lock before you reach your destination is an improvement Jul 17 22:04:27 lcuk, haha agreed Jul 17 22:04:33 :D Jul 17 22:04:39 it gets ephemerides (?) and almanac from the net Jul 17 22:05:10 anyway, i have lots to do this evening. LinuxCode :) good to see you in the chan. call back soon. keep yourself going mate Jul 17 22:05:13 but still needs to find sats afterwards Jul 17 22:05:22 same to you mate Jul 17 22:05:29 gotta do paperwork and tidy up Jul 17 22:05:37 and thanks for the updates Jul 17 22:05:42 I will talk to you soon mate Jul 17 22:05:44 ;-} Jul 17 22:05:46 np :) Jul 17 22:05:57 \o cyas later Jul 17 22:06:00 bye Jul 17 22:06:02 * LinuxCode waves Jul 17 22:06:03 ;-D Jul 17 22:13:16 just been reading on itt about genesis emulation on the nokia, anyone know if any progress has since been made on picodrive>? Jul 17 22:15:23 anybody know how to remap keys on the n810 keyboard? Jul 17 22:18:00 atarii: and what is the problem porting picodrive to maemo? Jul 17 22:19:53 anybody good with svg editor? Jul 17 22:22:46 is anyone else getting 404s from App-Manager for the maemo diablo repo. It seems to have been like that for quite a while for me, but the Extras and other stuff is fine. Jul 17 22:25:09 RST38bis i dont know, just read that there was some Jul 17 22:25:45 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9891&highlight=picodrive Jul 17 22:33:15 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Y4AH3C/ref=s9subs_c3_img3-rfc_g1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=0P5GRR38C5GGPJAYRB79&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240801&pf_rd_i=507846 Jul 17 22:33:18 cheeap Jul 17 22:33:20 man Jul 17 22:33:23 I just ordered it from amazon and it was $350 Jul 17 22:33:25 argh! Jul 17 22:34:46 evening is getting long... Jul 17 22:35:06 never knew you could have so many courses on a barbecue Jul 17 22:38:49 Does Amazon sellers usually provide refunds? Jul 17 22:39:00 I'm thinking about getting a refund for it and going for the compu or tigerdirect deal Jul 17 22:39:04 save me $50 to spend on foooood Jul 17 22:50:24 anybody know the name of the ` char? Jul 17 22:53:09 it's "grave" Jul 17 22:54:13 thanks Jul 17 22:54:15 or in geek language backtick ;) Jul 17 22:54:37 shellie ;) Jul 17 23:05:11 hi all i have some problem with bluettoth keyboard on my n800 with the new IT2008 Jul 17 23:06:07 kbdd works without problem but the keyboard doesnt works (with IT2007 it works well) :) Jul 17 23:06:14 what can i do ? Jul 17 23:08:23 cfh, not sure. bluetooth kb on mine works well in 2008 Jul 17 23:08:33 ive not heard of anyone really having problems Jul 17 23:08:53 did you flash back to 2007 to confirm, or is that from memory? Jul 17 23:09:20 the bt ketboard is associated but doesnt work Jul 17 23:09:50 i just flash on 2008 Jul 17 23:09:51 have you tried rebooting both devices Jul 17 23:10:00 in 2007 all works good Jul 17 23:10:08 and bt batteries are all ok and everything.. Jul 17 23:10:16 now i try to reboot Jul 17 23:11:06 on my ketboard i have a led of status and is on Jul 17 23:11:32 cool, i spent a couple of minutes bashing mine the other day before realising batteries were flat ;) Jul 17 23:11:43 apple light doesnt stay on most of the time Jul 17 23:12:05 ok now i search 2 new batteries Jul 17 23:13:45 beyond that i dunno. Jul 17 23:13:48 * lcuk slinks back off Jul 17 23:17:12 lcuk: heading home now, ttyiab Jul 17 23:17:25 the n800 said that the kb is associated but the kbdd script said disconnected Jul 17 23:19:45 now kbdd said connected but the led blink and it doesnt work Jul 17 23:20:03 new batteries :( Jul 17 23:22:23 ok now it works good :) Jul 17 23:22:27 thanks Jul 17 23:52:45 Atarii / zap / daperl: awake Jul 17 23:53:05 >_> Jul 17 23:54:37 Finally, figured out the magic incantation that will make bi-directional Notes <-> Google docs work. Updating an existing document was finicky, but I figured it out. Jul 17 23:54:57 :) Jul 17 23:55:01 woot rm_you im here Jul 17 23:55:08 Atarii770: :) Jul 17 23:55:19 Atarii770: not sure why the 13.5 would just fail... Jul 17 23:55:23 Is Python inotify prebuilt somewhere? Jul 17 23:55:28 Atarii770: you tried rebooting? Jul 17 23:55:33 yea Jul 17 23:55:52 Atarii770: can you tell me what the permissions on "/sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level" are? Jul 17 23:56:23 i did manually a+w them Jul 17 23:56:30 after it not working Jul 17 23:56:55 and did that make it work? Jul 17 23:57:11 nope Jul 17 23:57:16 ... Jul 17 23:57:44 do you know if at least the part that was supposed to set the permissions worked, if not the app itself? Jul 17 23:57:55 did you *look* at the permissions before you reset them? Jul 17 23:58:13 i didnt check, let me reboot and find out Jul 17 23:58:16 k Jul 17 23:58:34 it should set them on boot right? Jul 17 23:58:43 yes Jul 18 00:00:25 was playing dizzy on ines to pass the time before you came back lol Jul 18 00:00:38 heh Jul 18 00:00:50 I accidentally slept for like 13 hours again >_> Jul 18 00:01:08 ouch Jul 18 00:01:22 backlight_level is -rw-rw-r-- Jul 18 00:01:29 .... Jul 18 00:01:49 so it *should* work? Jul 18 00:02:02 i think it needs 666 not 664 <_< Jul 18 00:02:12 wonder why it didnt work Jul 18 00:02:26 but it still didnt work after manually setting anyways Jul 18 00:02:29 664 is no change Jul 18 00:02:47 can you run /etc/init.d/backlight-permissions restart Jul 18 00:02:54 errrr Jul 18 00:03:06 /etc/init.d/brightness-permissions restart Jul 18 00:03:20 GAH Jul 18 00:03:23 /etc/init.d/brightness-permission restart Jul 18 00:03:31 lool Jul 18 00:03:41 not found Jul 18 00:03:54 O. crap Jul 18 00:04:14 nothing backlight related there Jul 18 00:04:17 run this: Jul 18 00:04:26 awk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version Jul 18 00:06:51 invalid content of \{\} Jul 18 00:07:09 ... Jul 18 00:07:53 you typing or copy/pasting? Jul 18 00:08:42 awk -F- '/product/ { print $2 }' /proc/component_version Jul 18 00:09:54 grr how do you copy in xchat Jul 18 00:10:04 nvm Jul 18 00:10:10 18 Jul 18 00:11:17 Hello, I'm sure this has been asked before but... Where can I get fsck? Jul 18 00:11:50 To run on my n810 that is... Jul 18 00:12:21 deepwave: are you actually using any ext filesystems? Jul 18 00:12:37 I don't think fsck is useful for vfat.... though i could be wrong :/ Jul 18 00:12:38 does anyone know if there's a way to get a cell phone to do triangulation using the n810 gps, and then send that data to the n810? Jul 18 00:12:56 Nope, but my internal memory is acting up... Jul 18 00:13:14 summatusmentis: Just use the 810's built in GPS and the AGPS Jul 18 00:13:32 summatusmentis, triangulation requires multiple antennae Jul 18 00:13:33 Says its read-only and dmesg reports filesystem panic Jul 18 00:15:06 Atarii: hrm... Jul 18 00:15:44 deepwave, it's in dosfstools, fsck.vfat Jul 18 00:16:20 Any particular repo that I need? Jul 18 00:16:30 Atarii: aaahhhh ok :P Jul 18 00:16:43 Atarii: figured it out. though, not why it doesnt work even with it chmodded Jul 18 00:16:45 deepwave, I was pretty sure it was installed by default... Jul 18 00:16:48 but i know where the script went Jul 18 00:17:01 johnx: fsck.vfat actually does something? :P Jul 18 00:17:07 rm_you, yes, it does Jul 18 00:17:08 kk :D Jul 18 00:17:19 rm_you, why do you think it doesn't? Jul 18 00:17:35 burnte: it doesn't work well Jul 18 00:17:38 deepwave, look it up on gronmayer.com/it if you don't have it Jul 18 00:17:47 crashanddie: what do you mean? Jul 18 00:18:06 johnx: never had it present on any system i have run Jul 18 00:18:19 johnx: so i assumed it didn't exist :P must just not have had the right packages Jul 18 00:18:31 summatusmentis, you want to do triangulation Jul 18 00:18:39 rm_you, lol. It's been around for-freaking-ever Jul 18 00:19:03 crashanddie: yes, that's what I'm asking about, multiple antennae? Jul 18 00:19:28 johnx: right, well, following the wrong assumption that it didn't exist, was the logic that if it didnt exist by NOW, there must not be a use for it :P Jul 18 00:19:37 johnx: i wonder what package it is in Jul 18 00:19:46 dosfstools Jul 18 00:19:49 ah yeah Jul 18 00:19:53 apt-cache just told me :P Jul 18 00:20:16 summatusmentis, triangulation really does mean using a triangle based algorithm to locate someone. If you have a target emitting, receptor one picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, this gives a circle. Receptor two picks it up at a certain power, thus distance, giving a second circle, you have two points where the circles cut one another, that's the location of the emitter Jul 18 00:20:28 Atarii: last version it worked in was... ? Jul 18 00:20:33 Anyone know of a media player that support NSFs (NES Sound Format, NES ROM music)? Jul 18 00:20:34 summatusmentis, that's triangulation, I don't see how an n810 comes into play with that Jul 18 00:20:40 Atarii: that you recall Jul 18 00:21:01 johnx: oooo: -A toggle Atari file system format Jul 18 00:21:04 :P Jul 18 00:21:13 rm_you, yeah, old :P Jul 18 00:21:20 Thanks johnx, I'll take a look at those repos. Jul 18 00:21:28 crashanddie: cell phones are able to triangulate roughly where you are. I'm wanting to use my cell phone to triangulate, and use that as agps for my n810 Jul 18 00:21:46 deepwave, what version of OS2008 are you using? Jul 18 00:21:48 hi Jul 18 00:21:58 13-5 worked, but it was only 0-123 Jul 18 00:22:02 summatusmentis: Can't do that. Jul 18 00:22:08 i was wondering if there is a raytracer for maemo ? :) Jul 18 00:22:08 Atarii: and 13-6 doesn't?! Jul 18 00:22:19 the AGPS for the 810 works by getting ephemeris data from Nokia for your location. Jul 18 00:22:51 summatusmentis: so if you want to use the agps applet for the 810 with your cell, you'll need to let it fetch a couple kilobytes of data. Jul 18 00:23:15 the agps applet requires knowing where you are, roughly, and doesn't seem to work that well Jul 18 00:23:16 wait which do i have installed now Jul 18 00:23:24 one sec Jul 18 00:24:08 summatusmentis: Works great, it needs to knwo roughly wher eyou are, and then it requests ephemeris data. Jul 18 00:24:55 knowing roughly where you are makes it sort of pointless in some situations, one. I've tried agps, and it took upwards of 10 minutes to get a lock Jul 18 00:25:09 did you have a data connection at the same time? Jul 18 00:25:12 that's the important part Jul 18 00:25:18 13-1 worked rm_you Jul 18 00:25:21 yes, I did Jul 18 00:25:22 ok Jul 18 00:25:25 it only needs to know where you are when you start, so it knows what satellites to look for Jul 18 00:25:25 summatusmentis, I'm sorry, but your phone is unable to triangulate anything Jul 18 00:25:30 13-1 worked but not 13-5? Jul 18 00:25:34 what crashanddie said. Jul 18 00:25:34 you on 13-5 now? Jul 18 00:25:37 yea Jul 18 00:25:40 the phone doesn't triangualte, the cell towers do. Jul 18 00:25:46 your phone knows nothing. Jul 18 00:25:50 summatusmentis, at best, maybe your service provider can triangulate the position of *your* cell phone, but not the other way around Jul 18 00:25:58 WTF garage is fast!? Jul 18 00:25:59 Sometimes, even I don't know what to make of some posts: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22033 Jul 18 00:26:02 summatusmentis: the current APS is the start of a framework that will allow for better TTF using multiple sources of data Jul 18 00:26:05 crashanddie: ok, that makes sense Jul 18 00:26:08 AGPS that is Jul 18 00:26:28 summatusmentis, plus, it would still need your n810 to access the network in order to know which satellites to use based on the coordinates it might have gotten from the cell phone Jul 18 00:26:34 summatusmentis, but it wouldn't be any better then AGPS Jul 18 00:26:49 than** Jul 18 00:26:58 is it possible that I just live in the middle of nowhere, and have bad gps signal around here? Jul 18 00:27:03 yep Jul 18 00:27:13 trees and hills will really screw your GPS reception Jul 18 00:27:14 in fact GSM cell-id was in the codebase, but turned off for initial release. it takes the current cell tower and looks it up in a DB to get appropriate satelite data Jul 18 00:27:16 summatusmentis, it *could* but I doubt it Jul 18 00:27:25 g2g soon rm_you Jul 18 00:27:30 k Jul 18 00:27:43 summatusmentis, do you have network coverage when using AGPS ? Jul 18 00:27:45 problem was introduced somewhere between r111 and r117 Jul 18 00:27:51 crashanddie: yes Jul 18 00:28:07 summatusmentis, are you moving ? Jul 18 00:28:12 no Jul 18 00:28:20 summatusmentis, are you in the open air ? Jul 18 00:28:25 no Jul 18 00:28:31 sitting in my room Jul 18 00:28:35 yeah Jul 18 00:28:39 try going outside for a bit to get a lock Jul 18 00:28:44 and you're surprised you need 10 minutes to get a gps fix ? Jul 18 00:28:59 brb Jul 18 00:29:13 do walls affect it that much? Jul 18 00:29:18 yes Jul 18 00:29:19 of course they do Jul 18 00:29:20 djeezus Jul 18 00:29:41 crashanddie: I knew they'd affect it some, but I didn't realize it was that drastic Jul 18 00:29:42 or even a south facing window will improve lock time an order of magnitude Jul 18 00:29:51 Johnx: I'm running diabolo 4.1 Jul 18 00:30:07 you should have it already I think... Jul 18 00:30:16 summatusmentis: The system was designed for the military, and they're usually outside. Jul 18 00:30:23 buildings block sat signals fairly well. Jul 18 00:30:25 summatusmentis, this is how it works, you start agps, and tell it where you are (roughly). Still connected to the internet, and still running AGPS, you launch Map or Maemo Mapper Jul 18 00:30:35 that's why you have sat TV dishes outside too. Jul 18 00:30:40 crashanddie: I know all of that Jul 18 00:30:46 summatusmentis, once the gps is searching for GPS, *run outside* Jul 18 00:30:50 burnte: yeh, that makes sense I suppose Jul 18 00:31:12 alright, fair enough. I'm gonna go eat dinner Jul 18 00:31:14 summatusmentis, if the GPS doesn't see any of the supposed satellites within a few seconds of searching, it will start all over again Jul 18 00:31:40 ok. Thanks for the help Jul 18 00:32:25 AGPS is like when you ask your mom where the stamps are, and she yells "on the thing on the left of the stuff, you know" Jul 18 00:32:52 you're going to look for stuff on the left of some shit, but if you don't see it right away, you're going to look fucking *everywhere*, even in the bathtub and attic Jul 18 00:32:53 johnx: Nope I got nothing called fsck, vfat, fat or anything like that... At least not from x-term... Jul 18 00:33:14 deepwave, it's fsck.vfat Jul 18 00:33:20 deepwave, are you root? Jul 18 00:33:44 Noo... Jul 18 00:34:18 well, that would affect things... Jul 18 00:34:58 Lol, ok Jul 18 00:35:46 deepwave: have you checked your partition table to make sure it wasn't shipped screwy by nokia? Jul 18 00:36:11 you knew about fsck so I assumed you knew it needs to be run as root. If you need root access install rootsh (recommended) Jul 18 00:36:16 deepwave: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18043 Jul 18 00:37:13 Well I used to using Linux workstations. :) Jul 18 00:37:42 deepwave, and on those workstations you need to be root to run fsck as well... Jul 18 00:38:00 lol, maybe he is root all the time on his workstation Jul 18 00:38:14 Eh... No. Jul 18 00:38:47 But you usually set up a root password... Or use sudo... Jul 18 00:39:02 ubuntu is the only distro I can think of that has /sbin in the user's PATH by default...It always messes with new users when they end up on Debian or something else... Jul 18 00:40:20 rm_you: im off. up again in 4 hours to graduate Jul 18 00:40:29 catch you tomorrow Jul 18 00:46:40 Hmm... Running fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 gives me : osso_mem_saw_enable failed Jul 18 00:46:56 well that's pretty cool Jul 18 00:47:03 does dmesg say anything now? Jul 18 00:48:45 Nope. Jul 18 00:53:07 Oh well I'll just backup my stuff on it and reformat. :( Jul 18 00:53:19 Thanks for help johnx. Jul 18 00:54:50 deepwave, sure. too bad it didn't work out Jul 18 00:55:03 check your partition table if you get a chance. that might be causing the corruption Jul 18 01:01:19 how do i refresh from svn Jul 18 01:01:54 it keeps telling me im still at rev 7 without getting the stuff from the server again - i wanna undo what ive coded Jul 18 01:02:13 svn up Jul 18 01:02:16 cd ../ ? Jul 18 01:02:22 i did that Jul 18 01:02:52 maybe svn revert ? Jul 18 01:05:43 got it, thanks - i had to tell it to revert recursively and tell it which folder to work with Jul 18 01:05:52 i suppose it stops you messing up Jul 18 01:07:13 is the wiki entirely failing to load pages now? Jul 18 01:07:32 nm working again Jul 18 01:07:33 rm_you, but garage is faster, right? jeez. you want everything :P Jul 18 01:07:58 it was giving me weird page could not be loaded errors generated by the maemo.org server :P but about 60 seconds later it is back Jul 18 01:14:29 GeneralAntilles: hey Jul 18 01:14:31 GAN800: hey Jul 18 01:14:39 wut? Jul 18 01:14:46 About to leave again. Jul 18 01:14:51 >_> Jul 18 01:14:57 nm then will catch you later Jul 18 01:15:07 Brightness doesn't do anything on 13-5 Jul 18 01:15:09 need to ask questions about 770 ABL and do testing Jul 18 01:15:11 right Jul 18 01:15:16 what was the last version that DID work Jul 18 01:15:25 besides permissions issue Jul 18 01:15:31 None, as far as I know. Jul 18 01:15:35 ... Jul 18 01:15:38 But Atarii says 13-1 Jul 18 01:15:43 hrm Jul 18 01:15:46 can you verify that? Jul 18 01:16:04 Later. Jul 18 01:16:07 Bye Jul 18 01:16:09 k Jul 18 01:18:08 arghhhhhhh whos good with makefiles? i wanna go to bed but i wanna test code ive done and i cant get the makefile to accept it Jul 18 01:18:18 lcuk: i can decently Jul 18 01:18:21 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemo-barcode/trunk/Makefile Jul 18 01:18:21 lcuk: pastebin? Jul 18 01:18:24 ah k Jul 18 01:18:25 look at that Jul 18 01:18:53 i have a second c module: liqscan.c i want it to be compiled and linked in with the final binary maemo-barcode Jul 18 01:19:10 and it keeps crappin me out (hence the revert before) Jul 18 01:19:40 ~lart bedtime Jul 18 01:19:40 * infobot takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking bedtime's head off Jul 18 01:20:34 the makefile for liqbase expects me to specify the list of all .o files. it then builds them out of that (using a .c -> .o rule) Jul 18 01:24:07 errr Jul 18 01:24:23 lol Jul 18 01:24:27 well, i get it to work slightly if i add: Jul 18 01:24:28 %.c: Jul 18 01:24:28 $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $< Jul 18 01:24:43 otherwise it is looking for the %.c build targets Jul 18 01:25:43 that will still attempt to create 2 executables though wont it Jul 18 01:25:47 i think Jul 18 01:25:56 hrm Jul 18 01:25:58 sec Jul 18 01:26:11 let me look at some of my old stuff Jul 18 01:26:12 ive just cheated for now, rm_you, its ok i found a quicker way Jul 18 01:26:37 it works if i make clean first ;) Jul 18 01:26:39 #include "liqscan.c" Jul 18 01:27:04 thanks anyway, but if you do find a cleaner solution shout me please :) Jul 18 01:27:13 k Jul 18 01:27:49 ha! sed kinda rocks (except that it hurts my brain) Jul 18 01:28:52 this linux syntax and mix of incantation languages blows my mind when i have to pick up new stuff Jul 18 01:29:08 most linux stuff behaves the same way Jul 18 01:29:13 gimme a gui and standardise it into "shove some data there" Jul 18 01:29:26 it's when you hit the stuff that linux inherited from Unix where the fun starts Jul 18 01:29:38 lcuk, hey, at least it's not the windows command line... Jul 18 01:30:03 lcuk, have you played with command piping yet? it'll blow your mind (in a good way) Jul 18 01:30:08 lcuk: hrm Jul 18 01:30:15 granted, linux IS powerful enough to do anything, its just knowing the binding language Jul 18 01:30:20 lcuk: yeah your original works fine here, if you start with a clean directory Jul 18 01:30:34 it does, but it doesnt include my .c file Jul 18 01:30:46 lcuk, yeah, picking up the shell can be painful. I learned mainly through brutal stubborness :) Jul 18 01:31:13 somewhat standard syntax is to instead include something like "CFILES=my.c main.c extras.c func.c" Jul 18 01:31:21 and then tell it to compile $(CFILES) Jul 18 01:32:01 rm_you, :) you are right, original base playground has it like that Jul 18 01:32:14 but for some reason i lost the line and was left with just the .os Jul 18 01:32:19 ive been adding ever since :S Jul 18 01:32:27 _< Jul 18 01:32:27 <_< Jul 18 01:32:41 it works though Jul 18 01:35:23 anyone wanna crush my hopes and dreams when dealing with gizmo5? Jul 18 01:35:33 churl, sure Jul 18 01:35:37 yay! Jul 18 01:35:53 churl, gizmo5 doesn't love you. She was only using you to get to Tony. She was toying with you! Jul 18 01:36:05 something like that? Jul 18 01:36:11 well i kinda knew, but.... Jul 18 01:36:25 yeah, i know, but... who am i kidding.... Jul 18 01:36:35 *knife* Jul 18 01:36:37 <[yzf600]> hello Jul 18 01:36:44 darn butter knife... Jul 18 01:36:53 hi [yzf600] Jul 18 01:37:13 johnx: so are you familiar with the workings of gizmo? Jul 18 01:37:14 <[yzf600]> what would be the best way to create and render a status icon in my apps main window? Jul 18 01:37:41 <[yzf600]> I'm currently creating a table and populating it with buttons and icons Jul 18 01:37:57 churl, not really, but asking is worth a shot Jul 18 01:37:58 <[yzf600]> but based upon some input, I'd like to change one of the icons Jul 18 01:38:40 well, i was just checking out the whole backdoor number thing and found that a lot of my friends numbers were valid for working through the backdoor. are you with me? Jul 18 01:39:55 churl, ok, got it Jul 18 01:39:58 really, i dont know what to ask, it seems everyone is having problems with the service and no one has much for answers Jul 18 01:40:21 i get two rings, the silence, and that's with a paid call Jul 18 01:40:31 the other end hears me, i hear nothing Jul 18 01:40:59 interesting Jul 18 01:41:26 hmmm...once we get outside the unixy part of gizmo and into the phone part, I'm kinda out of my element Jul 18 01:41:30 that would be the start of my problems, the temptation of free calls to my friends through the working back door numbers is very exciting, me having no phone Jul 18 01:41:50 I just bought skype-out minutes :s Jul 18 01:41:56 I'm sure that makes me lame or something Jul 18 01:42:06 haha maybe just employed Jul 18 01:42:17 heh Jul 18 01:42:32 I've gone through like $5 of skypeout minutes in the last couple months Jul 18 01:42:35 i couldnt pay my cell bill so i got an n800.. for phone use, boy was i wrong Jul 18 01:42:53 yeah, it is a good deal Jul 18 01:43:11 I guess if you talk a lot it could be a problem Jul 18 01:44:10 haha! I think I just got libtinymail to compile in poky/OE Jul 18 01:44:18 churl: Backdoor dialing has an annoying announcement played to both caller and callee Jul 18 01:44:36 man, i sure was hoping that i could call both my best friend and my girlfriend for free, i was over joyed when it said that their numbers could be called for free Jul 18 01:44:45 snowmoon: no problems there for me Jul 18 01:45:07 it's better than calling your friends with iprelay! Jul 18 01:45:24 You don't hear an annoucement at the beginning of each call? Jul 18 01:45:29 backdoor dialing!? >_> Jul 18 01:45:39 snowmoon: no Jul 18 01:45:41 rm_you, http://gizmo5.com/pc/backdoor/ Jul 18 01:45:54 somethings up with my setup Jul 18 01:45:56 rm_you, it works around the PSTN network, using only VOIP Jul 18 01:45:59 my install or whatever Jul 18 01:46:02 hrm Jul 18 01:46:28 backdoor dialing sounds like something lewd involving telephones and lots of lube Jul 18 01:46:36 hey Jul 18 01:46:41 i tried my best at googling a solution, but i ran back to #maemo Jul 18 01:46:43 my cell number qualifies :P Jul 18 01:48:00 my new land line doesnt, but all my friends old cell numbers do, great right? if it would work for me,. any suggestions on possible bug/install flaws? Jul 18 01:48:33 hrm Jul 18 01:48:38 let me try on my tablet Jul 18 01:48:53 please do :) Jul 18 01:48:59 what does it do for you again? Jul 18 01:49:03 just hangs up? Jul 18 01:49:05 Grackle, I think the sentiment is that gizmo is trying to screw the phone companies out of collecting fees Jul 18 01:49:23 Grackle: thats the same thing i thought <_< Jul 18 01:49:28 johnx, hahaha Jul 18 01:50:04 I was going to make a slightly more colorful metaphor, but this is publicly logged O_o Jul 18 01:50:08 anyone want to message me their number so i can try to call it? Jul 18 01:50:36 i promise not to talk to you Jul 18 01:50:40 ill grunt Jul 18 01:50:58 lol sec Jul 18 01:51:06 so you cant tell that im a real human, or i could just make the soothing noise of keyboard clicks Jul 18 01:51:53 * johnx is skeered O_o Jul 18 01:52:05 *click* Jul 18 01:52:35 d'oh Jul 18 01:52:45 I was wondering why my laptop wouldn't boot the install CD Jul 18 01:52:51 churl: works great here Jul 18 01:52:53 no problems Jul 18 01:52:58 haha Jul 18 01:53:08 churl: you using "Gizmo" via the communication menu? Jul 18 01:53:09 really, what can you tell me about your setup? Jul 18 01:53:14 or did you install Gizmo5 via deb? Jul 18 01:53:14 * Grackle realized after dicking with BIOS and boot order that he had put the application install CD in Jul 18 01:53:24 first one Jul 18 01:53:31 thats prolly it Jul 18 01:53:36 oh damn Jul 18 01:53:42 http://download.gizmo5.com/GizmoDownload/gizmo5_4.0.0.97_N800P_armel.deb Jul 18 01:53:58 install that Jul 18 01:54:15 and run it (is a separate app, it will show up in Extras) Jul 18 01:54:25 thanks a bunch, ill try that Jul 18 01:54:46 johnx: get Gizmo5, can call me for free :P Jul 18 01:54:55 jott: same :P Jul 18 01:54:56 how do we get the 'APP MUST BE CLOSED EMAIL' to go away Jul 18 01:55:08 or something like that? Jul 18 01:55:22 oh, and hello everyone Jul 18 01:55:36 hi GDE Jul 18 01:55:57 no way to avoid that message unless you stop using the email client or wait for a fix Jul 18 01:56:01 (or fix it yourself) Jul 18 01:56:24 blah Jul 18 01:56:35 I think it drains my battery Jul 18 01:56:44 nah, it's the other email problem that does Jul 18 01:56:56 the one where it keeps running but uses 100% CPU time Jul 18 01:57:07 and push email is useless cause of the error Jul 18 01:57:33 it's funny cause I see that message, but I still get mail. I think on mine it's restarting in the background Jul 18 01:57:55 well i get mail as well Jul 18 01:58:03 just after I confirm it Jul 18 01:58:30 er, I still get the blue flashing light/message in the bottom left corner even while that message is popped up Jul 18 01:58:51 i get that to at times Jul 18 01:59:03 thanks for the clarification Jul 18 01:59:23 i use claws-mail Jul 18 01:59:30 it ALWAYS seems to work perfectly >_> Jul 18 01:59:47 rm_you, does it notify of email while closed? Jul 18 02:02:01 side note while installing: a friend gave me his GPS and let me say, that it's the most awesome useless thing i own Jul 18 02:02:15 johnx: don't think so? not 100% tho Jul 18 02:02:20 but that doesnt really matter Jul 18 02:02:23 since I always have email Jul 18 02:02:32 it would just ALWAYS be notifying me :P Jul 18 02:02:34 rm_you, right, it does matter for other people :P Jul 18 02:03:54 i wonder how hard it would be to port that functionality Jul 18 02:04:16 lemmie check to see for sure that it doest work already Jul 18 02:04:22 might be easier to separate out a different mail checking daemon Jul 18 02:04:37 the other thing is I like modest's interface a lot better :/ Jul 18 02:05:04 i might, if it would ever actually check my inbox Jul 18 02:05:21 and people would tell me something in response other than "whatever, IMAP is useless" Jul 18 02:05:31 because it isn't. Jul 18 02:05:40 imap rawks Jul 18 02:05:55 but, it can be a pain to debug Jul 18 02:06:06 well, i reinstalled gizmo5 Jul 18 02:06:13 not looking good Jul 18 02:06:20 rm_you, is there a verbose switch you can hit for modest to make it tell you more? Jul 18 02:06:34 dunno Jul 18 02:09:50 well, my gf said she got a ring Jul 18 02:09:53 trying again Jul 18 02:13:15 well, i seems to be the standard problem i read about, as soon as they pick up. it hangs up Jul 18 02:13:25 thank you guys for your input! Jul 18 02:13:36 im sure you know how these things can be Jul 18 02:13:54 yeah I know. I hate phone systems Jul 18 02:24:32 someone saying it could just be my home network Jul 18 02:24:48 ill take it out later and pray Jul 18 02:28:15 'how many times did you reboot it?' 'three, like you always tell me to" Jul 18 02:28:47 gnite chaps. pupnik people have started to get money Jul 18 02:33:53 hey about mail is the led bif readily accessible, for other programs to use? Jul 18 02:34:35 this is just for the future, but if I'm using mutt, then using the led bif would be very nice Jul 18 02:34:35 bif? Jul 18 02:34:48 nite lcuk_zzz Jul 18 02:35:12 you can flash the leds... it's an odd interface... forgot how Jul 18 02:35:20 excuse me biff Jul 18 02:35:42 so it is accessible though, that's about all I want to know for now Jul 18 02:36:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff Jul 18 02:36:27 in this case the led flashes Jul 18 02:36:35 very nice, I must say Jul 18 02:37:10 http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/ Jul 18 02:37:23 sounds terrible Jul 18 02:38:31 but I guess it's nice to see the versatility of the hardware Jul 18 02:38:39 software excuse me Jul 18 02:40:11 wow, the version of python2.5-imaging in the official repo has broken png support Jul 18 02:40:19 IE, it wasn't even built with the PNG library >_< Jul 18 02:40:20 yeh, I don't ever want to go back to Windows anything Jul 18 02:40:45 oh well, recompiled it myself and it works <_< Jul 18 02:40:56 I cry when I see the stupidity of windows Jul 18 02:42:13 what about putting windows ce on it? Jul 18 02:42:20 just theoretically Jul 18 02:44:39 I've been looking around and have found that ssh from pc --> n800, is sooo slow is there a fix? Jul 18 02:46:49 works fine here Jul 18 02:46:56 rm_you: that's good to know Jul 18 02:47:06 rm_you: are you using diablo os2008? Jul 18 02:47:15 yep Jul 18 02:47:50 rm_you: ok, any special tweaks or it just works, :) Jul 18 02:48:01 just works :P Jul 18 02:53:44 no, it is just so slow Jul 18 02:54:05 rm_you: you can't remember what tweaks you did to make it work? Jul 18 02:54:11 owell Jul 18 02:54:17 all in good time Jul 18 02:54:39 did no tweaks Jul 18 02:54:41 just installed it Jul 18 02:54:48 is just as fast as any other ssh Jul 18 02:54:56 IE, instant response time <_< Jul 18 02:55:17 rm_you: n800 --> pc is just as fast but pc --> n800 sllllloooooowww :( Jul 18 02:55:20 yigal, might want to adjust power saving options (or replace your router) Jul 18 02:55:22 rm_you: funny Jul 18 02:55:35 lol @ summatusmentis Jul 18 02:55:36 johnx: replace my router !!!! Jul 18 02:56:00 pupnik: right, ok no savings and I'll see how it behaves Jul 18 02:56:07 am on pc->n800 right now Jul 18 02:56:10 it is instant for me Jul 18 02:56:12 no lag at all Jul 18 02:56:20 yigal, sounds like your router doesn't work right with n800 wifi powersavings Jul 18 02:56:20 rm_you: I enby you Jul 18 02:56:24 s/b/v Jul 18 02:56:33 yigal: yeah, what router are you using? Jul 18 02:56:39 I have a WRT-300N Jul 18 02:56:44 and a WRT-54G Jul 18 02:56:47 both are excellent Jul 18 02:56:59 though WRT-300N still doesnt work right with dd-wrt or openwrt >_> Jul 18 02:57:17 johnx: I'm using dd-wrt with buffalo Jul 18 02:57:40 hmm, maybe it's because of dd-wrt? Jul 18 02:58:22 I'll try reflashing Jul 18 02:58:51 ? Jul 18 02:59:16 yigal, turn off psm on the n800 first Jul 18 02:59:21 see if it helps **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 18 02:59:56 2008