**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 19 02:59:57 2008
Jul 19 03:00:19 <Proteous> n810 for $300 US http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3408772&sku=N529-1156&srkey=n810
Jul 19 03:01:49 <GAN800> I momentarily considered that this morning, but then I remembered the N810 is just an N800 with less storage. ;)
Jul 19 03:04:18 <derf> They have 8GB cards for reasonable prices now, right?
Jul 19 03:04:31 <derf> For MiniSD or whatever the crap it uses.
Jul 19 03:04:34 <GAN800> Yeah
Jul 19 03:04:57 <GAN800> But they also have 16GB cards for more reasonable prices now, too. :D
Jul 19 03:05:06 <derf> It's not 32GB, but it's pretty good.
Jul 19 03:05:36 <Proteous> depends if like a keyboard or not
Jul 19 03:05:45 <derf> Really, the transreflective screen is the big winner for me.
Jul 19 03:05:49 <GAN800> I'm ready for 32GB cards to be under $100
Jul 19 03:05:57 <derf> The keyboard kind of sucks.
Jul 19 03:06:17 <derf> But being able to read it in full sunlight = <3
Jul 19 03:06:31 <mouser-> derf: The keyboard isn't ideal by any means, but I prefer it over not having anything.  Also, the transreflective screen is amazing.
Jul 19 03:09:27 <derf> mouser-: Well, the advantage of the onscreen keyboard is I can move keys around and add the missing ones back.
Jul 19 03:11:25 <mouser-> derf: You mean remap the keys, like adding the tab key?
Jul 19 03:11:44 <mouser-> I'm in the process of installing Diablo on it and hopefully getting the USB f-f adapter to work so I can attach flash drives and a keyboard to it.
Jul 19 03:24:44 <budman> anyone else having issues with updating/using the email client in diablo?
Jul 19 03:25:12 <mouser-> budman: not yet, but give me a few minutes and I'll try it out.  I'm in the process of restoring the backup.
Jul 19 03:25:17 <budman> k
Jul 19 03:25:25 <budman> forgot if i recently asked :)
Jul 19 03:25:35 <budman> its driving me nutz though webmail works nice. i like the client
Jul 19 03:26:25 <johnx> budman, what do you mean "update." sorry if you answered me before, but I didn't see it
Jul 19 03:26:45 <budman> it says modest email has update
Jul 19 03:26:52 <budman> then goes through the update and wont update
Jul 19 03:26:53 <johnx> hmm
Jul 19 03:26:57 <budman> errors every time
Jul 19 03:27:04 <budman> I have 3 n800s all the same.
Jul 19 03:27:18 <GAN800> Remoce the Modest beta repo.
Jul 19 03:27:21 <budman> Email client was working tho all of a sudden account was removed and now say device full
Jul 19 03:27:29 <GAN800> s/Remoce/Remove/
Jul 19 03:27:30 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Remove the Modest beta repo.
Jul 19 03:28:04 <johnx> if you saved your repos from chinook, the old chinook modest repo is interfering (like GAN800 said)
Jul 19 03:28:13 <budman> all flashed fresh.
Jul 19 03:28:21 <budman> but i used that website to add all repos
Jul 19 03:28:25 <budman> probly shouldnt have?
Jul 19 03:28:38 <GAN800> lol . . .
Jul 19 03:28:38 <johnx> ahaha
Jul 19 03:28:45 <johnx> so much no
Jul 19 03:28:49 <GAN800> Why do people think that's a good step.
Jul 19 03:28:56 <budman> ha :)
Jul 19 03:28:58 <johnx> someone suggested it a long time back
Jul 19 03:29:02 <budman> we are a rook
Jul 19 03:29:05 <GAN800> gronmayer should make the warning text 10x bigger.
Jul 19 03:29:07 <budman> rooks happens.
Jul 19 03:29:20 <budman> i did it the day of wasnt text i believe
Jul 19 03:29:36 <GAN800> Or just be shut down entirely with Extras picking up.
Jul 19 03:29:37 <johnx> did it have a lot of updates for you besides modest?
Jul 19 03:29:49 <johnx> GAN800, it has a place still
Jul 19 03:31:06 <GAN800> johnx, hopefully not for too much longer.
Jul 19 03:31:18 <GAN800> The list needs cleaning anyway.
Jul 19 03:32:24 <mouser-> budman: The e-mail client didn't seem to restore my e-mails, and I didn't find any updates for it.
Jul 19 03:33:05 <Medic119> I hate Modest, osso-email, et al.  So far GMAIL has been the most stable..lol
Jul 19 03:33:47 <johnx> I like where modest is *going*
Jul 19 03:33:51 <johnx> it just hasn't quite got there yet
Jul 19 03:34:24 <Medic119> I say port Evolution to Maemo and be done!  Email, and PIM all in one
Jul 19 03:34:25 <mouser-> What was the name of the former default e-mail client?
Jul 19 03:34:49 <johnx> mouser-, osso-email or similar
Jul 19 03:34:50 <GAN800> osso-email
Jul 19 03:35:09 <johnx> Medic119, could be possible. Have you looked at claws or the ubuntu-mobile version of claws?
Jul 19 03:35:11 <GAN800> Evolution is a little . . . heavy.
Jul 19 03:35:24 <johnx> GAN800, I tested it. it runs
Jul 19 03:35:32 <johnx> and if you cut out a lot of stuff it might even run well
Jul 19 03:36:17 <Medic119> Claws-Mail borks Backups on the NIT
Jul 19 03:36:29 <Medic119> Evolution is lighter than say.. KDE 3.5.8 or Debian
Jul 19 03:36:50 <GAN800> I like Modest
Jul 19 03:37:03 <Medic119> If Modest was just reliable..
Jul 19 03:37:06 <johnx> Medic119, well, yes, but that's not exactly a shining recommendation
Jul 19 03:37:12 <GAN800> Just wish some of the major issues would get ironed out a bit faster.
Jul 19 03:37:27 <Medic119> lol.. johnx I understand, but remember EDS is ALREADY in Maemo, so we just need the front end
Jul 19 03:37:35 <budman> i cant find a beta modest repo
Jul 19 03:37:41 <GAN800> Well, part of eds
Jul 19 03:37:50 <budman> but ill try a fresh install with no extra repos
Jul 19 03:37:51 <Medic119> and Gnome is the Backend for MAemo with Matchbox WM, so UI support is there
Jul 19 03:38:01 <GAN800> budman, purge your repository lidt.
Jul 19 03:38:23 <GAN800> You've got tons and tons of shit in there that'll break your system.
Jul 19 03:38:40 <Medic119> And the NIT is in desperate need os a decent PIM/Email client
Jul 19 03:38:45 <GAN800> and probably already has if you've been installing updates.
Jul 19 03:39:08 <Medic119> You might be better off just reflashing, NOT adding back your repos and starting fresh
Jul 19 03:39:10 <GAN800> Reflash and don't do stupid things like adding every repo on the planet.
Jul 19 03:39:33 <johnx> GAN800, hey now. that's a little harsh
Jul 19 03:39:40 <GNUton> ´Morning guys!
Jul 19 03:39:46 <GAN800> I wish the Modest devs were actually involved Bugzilla.
Jul 19 03:40:21 <Medic119> Be back in a bit
Jul 19 03:40:47 <GNUton> Where can I find the documents about the  extra-devel repository policy?
Jul 19 03:41:04 <GAN800> johnx, gentle has never been my forte. ;)
Jul 19 03:41:07 <GNUton> and how it works?
Jul 19 03:41:23 <GAN800> GNUton wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Jul 19 03:41:32 <GNUton> GAN800: thanks
Jul 19 03:41:36 <GAN800> Has links to the info you want.
Jul 19 03:42:38 <GAN800> GNUton, -developers or -community are probably the best places for additional clarification.
Jul 19 03:50:12 <GNUton> GAN800: ok :) thank you very much!
Jul 19 03:52:12 <GeneralAntilles> GNUton, you can also bug X-Fade about specifics once he pops up in here.
Jul 19 03:52:51 * GeneralAntilles whittles a maemo.org Team Member Annoying Stick and hands it to GNUton.
Jul 19 03:52:58 <GeneralAntilles> Use that for greater effect. ;)
Jul 19 03:57:54 <GAN800> Howdy, wes.
Jul 19 03:58:43 <GNUton> GeneralAntilles: :)
Jul 19 04:00:33 <wesdoobner> just checkin in
Jul 19 04:04:52 <GNUton> I´m just waked up.. and i´m in my bed.. I think that I should get up... at least for whashing my face!
Jul 19 04:05:01 <GNUton> :(
Jul 19 04:05:28 * GNUton ... laziest
Jul 19 04:07:03 <GAN800> woo
Jul 19 04:07:16 <GAN800> The tablets are such lazy enablers.
Jul 19 04:08:01 <doc|home> man, what is with the apps that are available still not working, gpodder *and* mpcc :(
Jul 19 04:08:01 <johnx> yes
Jul 19 04:08:10 <johnx> it's usually food (or work) that gets me out of bed
Jul 19 04:08:24 <johnx> but now I'm off to akihabara. later all :)
Jul 19 04:09:26 <GAN800> bye
Jul 19 06:38:07 <befr0d__> hi.
Jul 19 06:49:34 <mouser-> hi
Jul 19 06:50:17 <mouser-> I'm looking for a list of the original maemo repositories that are pre-installed in Diablo.
Jul 19 06:57:33 <lpotter> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/17/windows-3-1-gets-installed-on-nokias-n810-looks-badly-out-of-p/
Jul 19 06:59:38 <mouser-> lpotter: that brings me back.
Jul 19 06:59:58 <lpotter> heh. thats just wrong :)
Jul 19 07:02:32 <mouser-> From a comment there: "Aah, I sort of miss it! I just know it's the sort of nostalgia where you have good memories that have absolutely nothing to do with how it actually was."
Jul 19 07:20:35 <aquatix> mouser-: :)
Jul 19 07:20:43 <aquatix> i kinda liked it too
Jul 19 07:20:56 <aquatix> i thought win95 was more ugly in retrospect
Jul 19 07:21:53 <aquatix> i liked the pixel-artness of win3.11
Jul 19 07:22:37 <doc|home> ok, which of you is responsible for win 3.1 on the n810? who do I stab?
Jul 19 07:23:19 <GAN800> thoughtfix, actually/
Jul 19 07:24:12 <aquatix> doc|home: why stabbing people? i think someone may waste his time any way he wants :)
Jul 19 07:25:30 <doc|home> it was you, wasn't it?
Jul 19 07:25:32 <doc|home> ;)
Jul 19 07:25:39 <GAN800> lol
Jul 19 07:27:01 <GAN800> of all the cool things it can do, it's sad the running Windows is the one that makes engadget.
Jul 19 07:30:09 <aquatix> heh :)
Jul 19 07:30:44 <aquatix> does it run wolfenstein3d?
Jul 19 07:30:44 <GAN800> I'm pretty sure this one's INVALID based on the current description, somebody want to try to get some real steps to reproduce and better clarification from him?
Jul 19 07:30:48 <GAN800> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3463
Jul 19 08:19:29 <zap> X-Fade: is there anything special about the automatic builder? If I build my own package, the executable 844160 bytes, and if it builds in the autobuilder, it's 778688 bytes
Jul 19 08:19:38 <zap> and it is stripped in both cases
Jul 19 08:21:48 <Italodance> can Android work on N800?
Jul 19 08:22:00 <aquatix> zap: do you know whether they use the same compiler?
Jul 19 08:22:05 <aquatix> Italodance: yes, sort of
Jul 19 08:22:31 <Italodance> aquatix did u tried?
Jul 19 08:22:37 <aquatix> friend of mine did
Jul 19 08:22:50 <aquatix> let me find his tutorial...
Jul 19 08:23:03 <aquatix> http://www.alextreme.org/drupal//?q=android_on_n810
Jul 19 08:23:09 <qwerty12> I got the touchscreen working in N800 btw
Jul 19 08:23:12 <aquatix> it's for n810 but i guess it's similar for n800
Jul 19 08:23:19 <aquatix> qwerty12: with android?
Jul 19 08:23:19 <Italodance> aquatix and it hadn't any damage for device! i afraid :(
Jul 19 08:23:23 <qwerty12> yeah
Jul 19 08:23:31 <aquatix> cool, as that friend of mine didn't
Jul 19 08:23:34 <qwerty12> I ported the touchscreen fixes to the N800
Jul 19 08:23:43 <aquatix> Italodance: it didn't damage his device
Jul 19 08:23:43 <qwerty12> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21709
Jul 19 08:23:47 <Italodance> hi qwerty12
Jul 19 08:23:49 <qwerty12> hi
Jul 19 08:23:55 <aquatix> he's flashed os2008 back on it
Jul 19 08:24:12 <Italodance> aquatix oh flashed os2008 again! :o
Jul 19 08:24:40 <Italodance> aquatix tnx for still afraid :'''(
Jul 19 08:24:42 <aquatix> qwerty12: ``touchscreen doesn't work. The patch on the android-on-n8xx site made my tablet stop booting'' [from his site]
Jul 19 08:24:46 <aquatix> Italodance: ?
Jul 19 08:24:55 <qwerty12> aquatix: he mustn't have done it right ;)
Jul 19 08:24:59 <qwerty12> or used an old patch :/
Jul 19 08:25:01 <aquatix> it was just that android wasn't much use
Jul 19 08:25:10 <aquatix> qwerty12: i think the latter or something
Jul 19 08:25:21 <aquatix> as he's quite good in that kind of stuff
Jul 19 08:25:54 <qwerty12> I dunno, I even have a youtube of the n800 touchscreen working in android :)
Jul 19 08:25:55 <Italodance> yes we should wait for the future....maybe new version!!!!
Jul 19 08:26:13 <zap> aquatix: I suppose they use the same SDK they made available for download
Jul 19 08:27:12 <zap> but the difference is way more than could be because of compiler version
Jul 19 08:27:35 <Italodance> guys the cpu for diablo is still 400 mhz?
Jul 19 08:28:06 <aquatix> Italodance: yeah, you don't get a hardware upgrade with software ;)
Jul 19 08:28:19 <aquatix> zap: yeah :/
Jul 19 08:28:36 <Italodance> aquatix well how much is ur cpu now?
Jul 19 08:29:43 <aquatix> how do i check?
Jul 19 08:29:50 <aquatix> but it's still a 400MHz omap
Jul 19 08:29:58 <aquatix> don't know about the throttling
Jul 19 08:30:18 <GAN800> CPU throttles between 165 and 400MHz. . . .
Jul 19 08:30:35 <Italodance> aquatix i didn't updated my chinook to diablo yet...tell me all os2008 apps can work it on?
Jul 19 08:30:53 <Italodance> infact afraid one more time :(
Jul 19 08:30:58 <aquatix> Italodance: works fine here, yes; most just work
Jul 19 08:31:22 * qwerty12 N800 is always at 400Mhz. I prefer to keep it locked because the cpufreq is crap on this device.
Jul 19 08:31:35 <Italodance> aquatix i need to flash it again or just update it?
Jul 19 08:32:00 <aquatix> from chinook -> diablo it's a flash
Jul 19 08:32:06 <aquatix> after that, only update
Jul 19 08:32:10 <aquatix> no more flashing \o/
Jul 19 08:32:14 <Italodance> aquatix tnx
Jul 19 08:32:41 <Italodance> aquatix but i will wait for next IT version os2009
Jul 19 08:32:48 <GAN800> lol
Jul 19 08:32:58 <GAN800> There's no OS2009
Jul 19 08:33:16 <GAN800> and that's a long wait
Jul 19 08:33:18 <Italodance> GAN800 are u sure? no!?  yes the future will come
Jul 19 08:33:35 <GAN800> Yes, I'm sure.
Jul 19 08:33:42 <Italodance> GAN800 yep a long wait but no problem....more cpu will be better!
Jul 19 08:33:50 <GAN800> It's called 'Maemo 5'
Jul 19 08:33:56 <aquatix> well, if it gets along, we can just update, and you will have to flash anyway
Jul 19 08:34:03 <Italodance> GAN800 SURE???? N900 will release with os2009
Jul 19 08:34:06 <GAN800> Maemo 5 will not give you more CPU.
Jul 19 08:34:29 <aquatix> Italodance: if you get a new version of your linux distro on your pc, it doesn't get a faster cpu either, does it?
Jul 19 08:34:30 <GAN800> No, N900 will release with Maemo 5.
Jul 19 08:35:05 <Italodance> aquatix don't know and agree with u but IT maybe can change it!
Jul 19 08:35:22 <qwerty12> New OS != More CPU. End of.
Jul 19 08:35:30 <Italodance> GAN800 where is the page of n900 with maemo 5?
Jul 19 08:35:58 <GAN800> wiki.maemo.org
Jul 19 08:36:05 <Italodance> ?
Jul 19 08:37:21 <Italodance> http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=maemo5&searchx=Search
Jul 19 08:37:22 <Italodance> lol
Jul 19 08:37:43 <Italodance> nothing
Jul 19 08:37:53 <GAN800> http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand
Jul 19 08:44:47 <RST38h> yawn
Jul 19 08:49:55 <bef0rd> ;_;
Jul 19 08:58:44 <zap> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*t
Jul 19 08:59:02 <zap> the builder is buggy like I don't know what
Jul 19 08:59:36 <zap> rejects already the 3rd package, no problems on my side
Jul 19 08:59:42 <GAN800> Most people seem to be using it just fine.
Jul 19 09:00:02 <GAN800> but note that any real bugs should go to bugzilla.
Jul 19 09:00:53 <GAN800> and what do you mean by 'rejects'
Jul 19 09:01:12 <GAN800> Does the build fail due to bad depencies?
Jul 19 09:01:26 <zap> it fails because cannot connect to some proxy host
Jul 19 09:01:33 <zap> no idea what's that
Jul 19 09:01:44 <qwerty12> What package are you building?
Jul 19 09:01:52 <zap> right now - terminfo
Jul 19 09:02:36 <qwerty12> Logs look ok to me, unless you are uploading another version?
Jul 19 09:02:52 <zap> I just got a email telling of the failure
Jul 19 09:03:33 <zap> one package was rejected due to "mismatch file size" although dput told me everything is ok
Jul 19 09:04:38 <zap> actually two packages
Jul 19 09:07:26 <zap> I understand these are not really builder bugs, but it's so annoying to wait a hour just to get three reject messages
Jul 19 09:16:27 <qwerty12> ~lart microb extension building
Jul 19 09:16:27 * infobot takes a big bite out of microb extension building's jugular vein
Jul 19 09:16:46 <RST38h> more steps in the submission chain -> more things to go wrong
Jul 19 09:17:11 <RST38h> qwerty: stop poisoning infobot!
Jul 19 09:17:23 <qwerty12> I think it's too late :O
Jul 19 09:18:53 <GAN800> RST38h, it also means more chances to catch bad packages.
Jul 19 09:20:23 <aquatix> qwerty12: i gather it's not easy to port firefox extensions to microb?
Jul 19 09:20:26 <GAN800> One goal is to get to the point where Extras is high enough quality for Nokia to feel good shipping it enabled.
Jul 19 09:20:28 <aquatix> as it lacks xul
Jul 19 09:20:51 <aquatix> GAN800: that'd be cool indeed
Jul 19 09:21:02 <qwerty12> aquatix: You can run the ones that don't use xul, it's more about how the packaging works :/
Jul 19 09:22:22 <aquatix> hm, k
Jul 19 09:22:34 * aquatix would like a foxmarks port to microb
Jul 19 09:35:52 <RST38h> g
Jul 19 09:36:35 <RST38h> ga: I do not see direct relation between these two other than keeping dependencies consistent
Jul 19 09:36:57 <RST38h> ga: but this can be done with a static repository check
Jul 19 09:39:17 <RST38h> a script that pulls all dependency lines from all repo packages, computes the closure, and analyzes it for missing packages or two versions of the same package
Jul 19 09:41:17 <RST38h> actually, not even a closure just plain union
Jul 19 09:44:03 <GAN800> The other thing we get out of this is source packages for everything, which makes upgrades easier.
Jul 19 09:48:38 <qwerty12> Any way of stopping gcc from using -msoft-float when I specify "-mhard-float -DCONFIG_FORCE_HARD_FLOAT=y". And yes, it must be hard float.
Jul 19 10:02:47 <RST38h> qwerty: have to find and remove the option
Jul 19 10:02:59 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit/ <- some screenshots from NIT-debian with matchbox and network-manager applet etc :)
Jul 19 10:04:00 <qwerty12> RST38h: Yeah, I grepped for msoft-hard and couldn't find anything so I succumbed  to the powers that be msoft-float :)
Jul 19 10:10:20 <lardman> morning
Jul 19 10:10:30 <qwerty12> g'morning lardman
Jul 19 10:10:40 <lardman> hi qwerty12
Jul 19 10:12:18 <qwerty12> hello
Jul 19 10:12:31 * qwerty12 tests out an shell and hopes I don't require an reflash :)
Jul 19 10:12:41 <lardman> :)
Jul 19 10:12:51 * lardman wonders why it takes so long to go from chester to Bath
Jul 19 10:13:49 <lardman> ~lart British railways
Jul 19 10:13:49 * infobot stamps British railways on the forehead with the official Troll marker
Jul 19 10:14:26 <lardman> lcuk: you about?
Jul 19 10:25:08 <aquatix> Stskeeps: is that the same matchbox theme as default os2008 or something?
Jul 19 10:25:15 <aquatix> looks familiar ;)
Jul 19 10:25:50 <aquatix> or is it some chroot?
Jul 19 10:27:02 <Stskeeps> aquatix: copied matchbox theme to debian installation, no chroot
Jul 19 10:28:06 <Stskeeps> i actually feel like debian is actually usable as something else than a toy by now :)
Jul 19 10:28:17 <Stskeeps> since we have power save, network manager, dimming, etc
Jul 19 10:36:10 * qwerty12 really has to apply kernelpanics' b_idle fix patch
Jul 19 10:47:41 <fnordianslip> qwerty12: i was just thinking about powertop and the kernel tweaks required to support it. have you tried it?
Jul 19 10:48:05 <qwerty12> fnordianslip: yes, with bad results. The tablet would crash when wifi was enabled.
Jul 19 10:48:17 <fnordianslip> oh.
Jul 19 10:49:28 <fnordianslip> thats with the modified kernel and powertop running or just the kernel.
Jul 19 10:49:39 <qwerty12> just the kernel.
Jul 19 10:49:42 <fnordianslip> ah
Jul 19 10:50:56 <qwerty12> Although I could make the initfs echo 0 to /proc/timer_stats and let the user echo 1 after they have disabled to wifi.
Jul 19 10:51:42 <qwerty12> s/to/the/
Jul 19 10:51:43 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: Although I could make the initfs echo 0 the /proc/timer_stats and let the user echo 1 after they have disabled to wifi.
Jul 19 10:52:24 <fnordianslip> not much point though, if you can only use it while disconnected,  especially as it is experimental networking stuff i want to monitor.
Jul 19 10:53:10 <qwerty12> doesn't make it worthless in general as people can monitor battery problems when their wifi is off.
Jul 19 10:53:38 <fnordianslip> true. i've been dabbling with Delay Tolerant Networking (see dtnrg.org)
Jul 19 11:04:04 <fnordianslip> qwerty12: do you have a problem with 404s from the maemo diablo repo? extras and extras devel are ok
Jul 19 11:04:23 <qwerty12> fnordianslip: on the device or in scratchbox?
Jul 19 11:04:30 <fnordianslip> on the device
Jul 19 11:04:43 <qwerty12> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3405#c6
Jul 19 11:05:01 <qwerty12> The dist structure of the diablo sdk repo is different, took me a while to figure it out :/
Jul 19 11:05:06 <qwerty12> bye.
Jul 19 11:05:13 <fnordianslip> tah
Jul 19 11:14:40 <lardman> where do we say what the costs for the Berlin trip are?
Jul 19 11:15:06 <lardman> on the wiki page?
Jul 19 11:20:02 <jott> lardman: i just made some little changes to the maemo-barcode code
Jul 19 11:20:09 <jott> lardman: it now displays the buffer next to the camera image
Jul 19 11:20:19 <jott> (currently i just added a threshold filter)
Jul 19 11:20:44 <jott> and a slider to change the threshold value
Jul 19 11:21:02 <jott> should make testing of filters easier ;)
Jul 19 11:23:28 <lardman> cool
Jul 19 11:23:40 <lardman> I've found some things to do to the logic to make it actually work :)
Jul 19 11:23:52 <jott> ;)
Jul 19 11:23:59 <lardman> I'll reboot to Linux and have a go (have been using MATLAB in Windows)
Jul 19 11:24:38 <jott> ah not matlab linux at hand? ;)
Jul 19 11:24:46 <lardman> no
Jul 19 11:24:52 <crashanddie> doesn't it work in wine ?
Jul 19 11:24:58 <lardman> never tried wine
Jul 19 11:25:02 <jott> there is a native linux version
Jul 19 11:25:14 <lardman> yeah, I don't have it though
Jul 19 11:25:54 <jott> hm do you need an extra license for it?
Jul 19 11:26:02 <jott> probably... :/
Jul 19 11:26:13 <lardman> licensed separately I'd have thought
Jul 19 11:26:21 <lardman> I'll see if the Uni have a Linux version too
Jul 19 11:27:28 <jott> i thought the key was just mac address based..
Jul 19 11:27:32 <aquatix> yups, seperate licenses
Jul 19 11:27:36 <jott> :/
Jul 19 11:27:40 <aquatix> iirc
Jul 19 11:27:53 <aquatix> they had to deactivate a windows one to enable a linux one at work
Jul 19 11:28:00 <aquatix> so... :/
Jul 19 11:28:25 <aquatix> hm, it stopped pouring from the sky, time to get some groceries
Jul 19 11:35:39 <lardman> Right, I'm all booked
Jul 19 11:37:24 <smyows> Hi o/
Jul 19 11:41:46 * crashanddie gives smyows a right arm
Jul 19 11:42:29 <smyows> os2008 do not have tun.ko?
Jul 19 12:07:52 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 19 12:08:59 <smyows> Morning
Jul 19 12:09:24 <smyows> I create swap file at sdhc xD
Jul 19 12:10:02 <smyows> Anyone have tun.ko module to send me?
Jul 19 12:21:00 <smyows> Were are .config of my current kernel?
Jul 19 12:21:25 <fnordianslip> int he kernel source package?
Jul 19 12:22:46 <qwerty12_N800> apt-get source kernel-source-diablo; cd kernel-source-diablo<tab>; make nokia_2420_defconfig
Jul 19 12:22:50 <smyows> fnordianslip: what is the name of package
Jul 19 12:23:03 <fnordianslip> ^^^
Jul 19 12:23:21 <smyows> o/ thanks
Jul 19 12:23:35 <qwerty12_N800> for more .config fun, find fanoush's patch to enable make menuconfig
Jul 19 12:23:52 <fnordianslip> interesting.
Jul 19 12:24:21 <fnordianslip> iterative configuring is no fun
Jul 19 12:25:05 <anders_> Oh noes. I flashed diablo. And now I notice there is no maemo mapper for diablo.
Jul 19 12:25:24 <fnordianslip> chinook is diablos friend
Jul 19 12:25:25 <qwerty12_N800> add chinook extras
Jul 19 12:26:04 <smyows> I think my sources.list is incomplete
Jul 19 12:26:34 <qwerty12_N800> if it's chinook sdk; kernel-source-rx-34
Jul 19 12:27:49 <fnordianslip> smyows: this assumes of course that you are running the stock kernel
Jul 19 12:28:30 <smyows> I neeed to put source and extra on maemo extra
Jul 19 12:32:08 <fnordianslip> anyone else got problems with a non-updateable libxml2 update in app manager on diablo?
Jul 19 12:34:04 * lcuk yawns and stretches
Jul 19 12:34:20 <fnordianslip> fart next?
Jul 19 12:34:32 <qwerty12_N800> hi lcuk
Jul 19 12:35:03 * lcuk lets rip
Jul 19 12:35:08 <fnordianslip> lol
Jul 19 12:35:16 <lcuk> :D good mornin qwerty12_N800
Jul 19 12:35:35 <qwerty12_N800> good afternoon :P :D
Jul 19 12:35:51 <lcuk> meh
Jul 19 12:35:58 <aquatix> hey lcuk
Jul 19 12:36:18 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, lardman was asking for you in the *morning* :p
Jul 19 12:36:21 <lcuk> hi aquatix
Jul 19 12:36:51 <lcuk> my next sentence was "anyone know what lardman wanted"
Jul 19 12:37:27 <qwerty12_N800> didn't say, i'm sure he'll ask later, just thought i'd mention it :)
Jul 19 12:37:58 <lcuk> yer i have a big red batsignal thing on this
Jul 19 12:39:18 <lcuk> Jaffa, i see you also think its the morning
Jul 19 12:39:32 * qwerty12_N800 wants xchat to blink the IT's led instead of the taskbar icon
Jul 19 12:39:55 <fnordianslip> make it so
Jul 19 12:40:43 <qwerty12_N800> can't think of any ways to do so. using dbus-send is a little dirty.
Jul 19 12:41:09 <fnordianslip> you could send an email to yourself
Jul 19 12:41:13 <lcuk> isnt there a proper interface where you can get the leds doing whatever you want
Jul 19 12:42:38 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, i know jott wrote a python script. no use to me, n800 only has a blue led.
Jul 19 12:43:09 <lcuk> does the same thing though doesnt it? just without control of the red n green
Jul 19 12:43:18 <qwerty12_N800> from memory, it can be controlled from sysfs or mce
Jul 19 12:43:29 <qwerty12_N800> probably, haven't tried it :)
Jul 19 12:44:38 * lcuk goes n does stuff
Jul 19 12:49:10 <lardman> re
Jul 19 12:52:11 * qwerty12_N800 looks at mce and modest source to see how it's done
Jul 19 12:52:29 <inz> Hmm, maybe you could create a small daemon that would enable some pattern if there's a window with urgent hint set
Jul 19 12:52:32 <jott> lcuk_ / qwerty12_N800 - the proper way within maemo is to use dbus. you can control it manually via sysfs http://sse2.net/ledcolor.py
Jul 19 12:52:51 <zap> hmm, anybody knows why maemo-get-password does not work from a postinst script when installing the .deb through package manager, and works if you manually dpkg -i it?
Jul 19 12:53:40 <zap> same about maemo-confirm-text
Jul 19 12:54:40 <jott> qwerty12_N800, to qoute myself: self.mce = dbus.SystemBus().get_object('com.nokia.mce', '/com/nokia/mce/request')   self.mce.req_led_pattern_activate("PatternError") <- or anything else self.mce.req_led_pattern_deactivate("PatternError")
Jul 19 12:55:06 <qwerty12_N800> brilliant, thank you jott
Jul 19 12:55:12 <Atarii> mornin
Jul 19 12:55:22 <jott> (just check the mce.ini for available patterns)
Jul 19 12:55:25 <Atarii> man the "A small utility program to soft reboot your tablet" thread on itt is painful
Jul 19 12:55:34 <jott> or override it via sysfs and do much fancier stuff ;)
Jul 19 12:56:28 <qwerty12_N800> what can you do with a monochrome led :p
Jul 19 12:56:40 <jott> nothing :P
Jul 19 12:56:53 <jott> yeah go with mce on a n800 ;)
Jul 19 12:56:59 <inz> jott, or edit mce.ini and add your own patterns
Jul 19 12:58:03 <jott> inz: yeah for local tweaks thats also an options.. :p
Jul 19 12:58:14 <inz> jott, even automating the addition of a pattern is quite easy via glib's g_key_file_*
Jul 19 12:58:28 <jott> ah..
Jul 19 12:58:53 <jott> still not as flexible as manual override ;)
Jul 19 12:59:18 <inz> But it won't be overriden by mce
Jul 19 13:00:03 <qwerty12_N800> yarr, modest uses mce. so i move onto chinook's mce source.
Jul 19 13:01:11 <inz> There's only mce-dev source :/
Jul 19 13:01:35 <qwerty12_N800> nah, i found a leaked copy in rtcomm repo
Jul 19 13:01:44 <inz> ahh
Jul 19 13:08:46 <qwerty12_N800> ironically it seems mce uses sysfs too for led control, but i guess it has no choice...
Jul 19 13:10:28 <inz> Why shouldn't it?
Jul 19 13:13:59 <jott> it just does not use the "direct" mode..
Jul 19 13:15:48 <zap> strange, it started working
Jul 19 13:21:07 <rm_you> morning
Jul 19 13:21:39 <qwerty12_N800> morning
Jul 19 13:21:48 <qwerty12_N800> zap, i like sudser btw
Jul 19 13:23:26 <lardman> morning rm_you
Jul 19 13:25:56 <lardman> jott: you clobbered calling my code! ;)
Jul 19 13:26:50 <zap> qwerty12_N800: does it show you the password change dialog?
Jul 19 13:26:51 * lardman notices error in MATLAB code, which luckily worked
Jul 19 13:27:22 <qwerty12_N800> zap, yes, but i used apt-get to install
Jul 19 13:27:28 <zap> :(
Jul 19 13:27:41 <zap> I reflashed today a couple of times, and the previous time it did not work
Jul 19 13:27:48 <zap> and not it works (after a reflash)
Jul 19 13:27:53 <zap> can't understand what it means
Jul 19 13:28:00 <zap> s/not/now/
Jul 19 13:30:56 <lardman> mmm, poppyseed roll with ham & cheese
Jul 19 13:31:05 <lardman> sorry, going slightly off topic there
Jul 19 13:31:07 <rm_you> jott / lardman: did either of you glance at the datamatrix code while I was asleep for 12 hours? :P
Jul 19 13:31:26 <lardman> rm_you: no, I was asleep for 8
Jul 19 13:31:35 <rm_you> :P
Jul 19 13:33:48 <lardman> :)
Jul 19 13:37:35 <lardman> hmm, I thought I'd made the barcode recognition better, but apparently I've broken it :(
Jul 19 13:41:24 <lcuk_> lardman, thats what you get for designing barcode scanners whilst browsing pron.  your code can now recognise boobies perfectly
Jul 19 13:41:35 <lardman> ha
Jul 19 13:41:49 <lardman> I think you're the one who was writing hill following code.....
Jul 19 13:41:51 <rm_you> scanner returns: "Fake"
Jul 19 13:42:31 <lcuk_> lol
Jul 19 13:42:35 <qwerty12_N800> lardman, it must be some good code to recognise lcuk_'s boobs
Jul 19 13:42:42 <lardman> someone showed a graph the other day of the inverse of a Gaussian, with circles around the peaks, I was trying hard to not snigger
Jul 19 13:42:56 <lardman> s/inverse/1-Gaussian
Jul 19 13:43:15 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Jul 19 13:43:25 <lardman> actually it wasn't a Gaussion, I'll go back to sleep; but you know what I mean
Jul 19 13:44:01 <lcuk_> i now officially hate gtk by the way
Jul 19 13:44:48 <lcuk_> and i also think you may need to go back to 640*480
Jul 19 13:44:50 <crashanddie> lcdd, why ?
Jul 19 13:45:31 <lcuk_> it smells of wee and keeps asking for matlock
Jul 19 13:45:47 <crashanddie> you fail :P
Jul 19 13:46:02 <lardman> as in a gun?
Jul 19 13:46:07 <lcuk_> no, its just the c interface and all the casting
Jul 19 13:46:18 <jott> i also found it amazing that people actually *like* gtk ;)
Jul 19 13:46:29 <lardman> it's C
Jul 19 13:46:34 <lardman> that must be the reason
Jul 19 13:46:41 <crashanddie> it's like any UI toolkit
Jul 19 13:46:56 <derf> There's no one who actually _likes_ GUI programming.
Jul 19 13:46:57 <crashanddie> be it Qt, GTK, or even Win32
Jul 19 13:47:02 * zap likes gtk and glib
Jul 19 13:47:02 <derf> And anyone who tells you they do is lying.
Jul 19 13:47:40 <lardman> :)
Jul 19 13:47:44 <lcuk_> if you can get by without horrendous casting prefixes (ie mainly using ++) then its fine
Jul 19 13:49:32 <jott> crashanddie: well imho qt is much cleaner and *much* better documented.
Jul 19 13:49:49 <jott> (and it's not an ui toolkit alone ;)
Jul 19 13:52:05 <rm_you> hrm, so now it seems to be copying in the right stuff (with basically lcuk's code) but it actually segfaults on the decoding part, which makes me think it is copied in WRONG. :(
Jul 19 13:53:45 <LoCusF> hmm I get no sound from canola2, I did change the atabake config but I didn't remember to take the backup :/
Jul 19 13:54:14 <LoCusF> so what the heck was the original fallback audio?
Jul 19 13:54:23 <LoCusF> in ~/.atabake/config?
Jul 19 13:54:47 <rm_you> lardman: ah, it doesnt segfault it just closes now... how were you making it loop?
Jul 19 13:55:08 <rm_you> lardman: was the look in GetBarCodeData() ?
Jul 19 13:55:16 <rm_you> *loop
Jul 19 13:57:30 <lardman> ?
Jul 19 13:57:33 <lardman> loop?
Jul 19 13:57:45 <rm_you> the thing that made it not stop after one decode attempt :P
Jul 19 13:57:53 <lardman> I think jott removed the code from the analyse_image() fn
Jul 19 13:58:03 <lardman> it's just called everytime that fn is called
Jul 19 13:58:12 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 19 13:59:15 <rm_you> oh doh
Jul 19 13:59:38 <rm_you> i left in an exit(0) from the test program lol
Jul 19 13:59:48 <rm_you> didnt notice last night cuz i was ridiculously tired
Jul 19 13:59:59 <rm_you> this is why sleep is good :P
Jul 19 14:00:08 <rm_you> more progress in 5 minutes than i made in 4 hours yesterday
Jul 19 14:00:14 <derf> Yes. If you had enough sleep you would have used exit(EXIT_SUCCESS)
Jul 19 14:00:29 <rm_you> hey, that wasn't my code :P shh
Jul 19 14:03:51 <johnx> rm_you, hey :D
Jul 19 14:04:14 <rm_you> johnx: :P
Jul 19 14:05:37 <rm_you> damn, not it is just like, locking up on the region identification
Jul 19 14:05:45 <rm_you> lets see how long this takes to execute
Jul 19 14:07:10 <rm_you> hrm... like 60 seconds
Jul 19 14:07:12 <rm_you> that isnt good.
Jul 19 14:07:25 <rm_you> and i dont think it updated the image
Jul 19 14:07:31 <rm_you> for the next one
Jul 19 14:07:32 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 19 14:18:37 <rm_you> lardman: gah you vertically flipped the camera on my n800 <_<
Jul 19 14:19:19 <lardman> not me
Jul 19 14:19:29 <lardman> I've not touched the GUI/camera code
Jul 19 14:19:47 <rm_you> hrm
Jul 19 14:19:50 <rm_you> wonder who did
Jul 19 14:39:01 <rm_you> lardman: hrm, i can't actually get THEIR utility to decode a picture I took with the normal camera application >_>
Jul 19 14:40:23 <lardman> :)
Jul 19 14:40:26 <lardman> not ideal
Jul 19 14:42:37 <rm_you> i think maybe my test datamatrix that i printed out may have been broken :P
Jul 19 14:42:45 <rm_you> printing new ones from better examples
Jul 19 14:43:14 <rm_you> also, is there a simple way to scale the image on the camera down to like half size?
Jul 19 14:43:33 <rm_you> will make processing MUCH quicker, as i dont think it really needs the resolution
Jul 19 14:44:00 <lardman> I think it's already scaled isn't it?
Jul 19 14:44:36 <lardman> caps = gst_caps_new_simple ("video/x-raw-yuv", "width", G_TYPE_INT, 320, "height", G_TYPE_INT, 240, NULL);
Jul 19 14:44:45 <lardman> set what you want there I think
Jul 19 14:46:52 <lardman> jott: ping
Jul 19 14:47:48 <rm_you> sweet.
Jul 19 14:49:21 <rm_you> lardman: wow
Jul 19 14:49:23 <rm_you> so yeah
Jul 19 14:49:34 <rm_you> i am dumb and didnt choose a good sample for my tests >_<
Jul 19 14:49:37 <lardman> working?
Jul 19 14:49:40 <rm_you> not yet
Jul 19 14:50:01 <rm_you> but at least their actual real programs that THEY wrote can decode these pngs i took with the camera
Jul 19 14:50:12 <rm_you> and fairly quickly
Jul 19 14:51:05 <rm_you> WOW
Jul 19 14:51:08 <rm_you> ok that is crazy
Jul 19 14:51:43 <rm_you> i have a picture taken on the n800 where the barcode is in the middle of the image and only takes up about 10% of the screen... and I scaled the image to 128x96... and it can read it perfectly
Jul 19 14:52:54 <lardman> :)
Jul 19 14:55:37 <jott> lardman: pong
Jul 19 14:57:09 <lardman> jott: I was just going to ask about the data stream
Jul 19 14:57:18 <lardman> jott: it's 16bit isn't it?
Jul 19 14:57:57 <jott> uhm the initial yuv is 16(u)+16(v) bit
Jul 19 14:58:06 <jott> the grayscale image is 8bit
Jul 19 14:58:25 <lardman> is the grayscale data passed to the analyse_image() fn?
Jul 19 14:58:29 <jott> yes
Jul 19 14:58:35 <jott> erm
Jul 19 14:58:41 <lardman> where does the conversion happen?
Jul 19 14:58:43 <jott> no
Jul 19 14:58:47 <jott> in analyze_image
Jul 19 14:58:59 <jott> do ... while..
Jul 19 14:59:06 <lardman> ok, so that might explain some issues :)
Jul 19 14:59:29 <jott> the loop should fill the static buffer field
Jul 19 14:59:31 <lardman> the data argument for analyse_image() is unsigned char*, should probably be unsigned short*
Jul 19 15:00:30 <jott> yeah well even "short" is not correct due to the yuv layout
Jul 19 15:00:43 <lardman> oh, is it packed?
Jul 19 15:00:52 <lardman> I thought it was a planar format
Jul 19 15:01:09 <lardman> s/packed/interleaved
Jul 19 15:01:20 <jott> yeah but it UYVYUYV etc..
Jul 19 15:02:09 <lardman> it's interleaved then?
Jul 19 15:02:25 <lardman> The FOURCC code indicates that it should be planar...?
Jul 19 15:02:54 <jott> http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/video4linux/API/V4L2_API/spec/r4099.htm
Jul 19 15:03:24 <jott> just grab every second byte to get the luminance ;)
Jul 19 15:03:52 <lardman> ok, that explains why I've never managed to read any barcodes :)
Jul 19 15:03:56 <jott> :O
Jul 19 15:05:32 <lardman> does the code in analyse_image() read odd bytes?
Jul 19 15:05:39 <rm_you> lardman / jott: soo close >_> i have to go to some actual work somewhere so i can eat this week, but if you want to see how tantalizingly close I think datamatrix codes are, svn up, install libdmtx-dev, make datamatrix, and print this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Datamatrix.svg
Jul 19 15:05:43 <rm_you> bbl
Jul 19 15:05:44 <lardman> ah yes
Jul 19 15:06:11 <lardman> rm_you: good stuff :)
Jul 19 15:06:38 <rm_you> err just committed, r31
Jul 19 15:13:05 <Blastur> there is something seriously wrong with power management in Diablo, isn't it?
Jul 19 15:13:23 <macoute> why do you think so?
Jul 19 15:13:32 <macoute> i havent noticed any difference
Jul 19 15:13:42 <Blastur> since i upgraded, it seems to draw an awful lot more power in standby mode
Jul 19 15:14:07 <Blastur> previously it could sit for days, now it is nearly empty, and it has been on since this morning (about 10 hours now)
Jul 19 15:14:32 <Blastur> i only have the wifi connection up, but i could have that in chinook too
Jul 19 15:14:35 <macoute> you have some program draining the battery
Jul 19 15:14:42 <Blastur> are there any tools i can use to diagnose power usage?
Jul 19 15:14:52 <Blastur> im thinking maybe that new mail app is the bandit
Jul 19 15:15:11 <Blastur> eh, dont remember its name.. modest?
Jul 19 15:15:55 <Blastur> so, is it possible to downgrade to the old mail client and see if there is any improvement in power usage?
Jul 19 15:18:44 <johnx> not easily I bet...
Jul 19 15:18:56 <Blastur> or, simply downgrade to chinook altogether?
Jul 19 15:19:32 <macoute> do you even have that mail-client running by default?
Jul 19 15:19:44 <macoute> i need to start it to get it fetching the mails automatically
Jul 19 15:19:55 <Blastur> well, it pops up an notification whenever i get email :) so something is running
Jul 19 15:20:09 <Blastur> in the bottom-left corner
Jul 19 15:20:21 <qwerty12> It always runs for me, even with no accounts configured.
Jul 19 15:20:32 <macoute> hmm
Jul 19 15:20:34 <Blastur> can i disable it somehow? to see if it improves my batterytime
Jul 19 15:20:41 <macoute> ive always wondered how does it work
Jul 19 15:21:04 <Blastur> so that it only fetches mail whenever i want it (like macoute described)
Jul 19 15:21:12 <macoute> but i dont ge a notification of a new mail after restartin the device if i dont start the mail client (and shut it down afterwards)
Jul 19 15:21:32 <Blastur> i do macoute
Jul 19 15:21:46 <Blastur> if i just power it up, dont touch anything, it will popup mail notifications
Jul 19 15:22:02 <macoute> Blastur: something like kill - 9 'pidof modest
Jul 19 15:22:10 <macoute> should work
Jul 19 15:23:16 * qwerty12 can't figure out how it runs on startup, i've checked /etc/rc2.d and /etc/osso-af-init :/
Jul 19 15:31:59 <ShadowJK> hm, i dont think I get more than 12ish hours with chinook
Jul 19 15:35:08 <zap> Blastur: one of my friends got same problem
Jul 19 15:35:22 <zap> he thinks its the desktop plugin that shows free disk space, don't you have it installed?
Jul 19 15:36:05 <zap> he doesnt use modest at all
Jul 19 15:36:13 <fnordianslip> hmm. have problem building hamlib in scratchbox.  its from etch source, but I'm manually building whilst exploring deps issues. its a problem with rpcgen, as below:
Jul 19 15:36:50 <zap> as below -> to dpaste.com
Jul 19 15:36:51 <qwerty12> zap: Python applets use a lot of memory and cpu
Jul 19 15:37:00 <fnordianslip> k
Jul 19 15:37:21 <zap> qwerty12: yes but that plugin in particular seems sometimes to hog the cpu
Jul 19 15:37:45 <qwerty12> Well, it does query for the disk space every few seconds
Jul 19 15:37:57 <zap> in top it shows hildon-desktop taking 20-40% CPU when the tablet is doing nothing
Jul 19 15:38:16 <qwerty12> I actually prefer using conky but it's not an applet and it flashes so...
Jul 19 15:38:20 <zap> but not always, just sometimes it goes mad for some reason
Jul 19 15:39:09 <fnordianslip> my pastebin - http://dpaste.com/66074/
Jul 19 15:39:43 <fnordianslip> alien_bin doesn't exist
Jul 19 15:40:10 <qwerty12> How come you are building 1.2.5?
Jul 19 15:40:16 <qwerty12> There is 1.2.7 now.
Jul 19 15:40:19 <fnordianslip> its from etch
Jul 19 15:40:27 <qwerty12> oh
Jul 19 15:40:35 <fnordianslip> have been there first?
Jul 19 15:40:42 <fnordianslip> have you, i mean
Jul 19 15:40:48 <qwerty12> I went straight to sourceforge :/
Jul 19 15:41:00 <fnordianslip> so you have hamlib built?
Jul 19 15:41:06 <qwerty12> No :)
Jul 19 15:41:10 <fnordianslip> lol
Jul 19 15:41:20 <fnordianslip> fail ?
Jul 19 15:41:45 <qwerty12> Never tried, I have no need for this :). I'm just trying now to see if I can :P
Jul 19 15:43:11 <qwerty12> ffs I run one configure which takes a while then configure runs configure again >.<
Jul 19 15:43:27 <fnordianslip> often the way
Jul 19 15:43:42 <qwerty12> Not in qwerty12 land
Jul 19 15:43:48 <fnordianslip> multiple dependent packages
Jul 19 15:45:52 <oilinki> great. I have now n810 and maemo-mapper enabled scooter :)
Jul 19 15:46:08 <lcuk_> jott / lardman ..   jott - i see you have reverted the greyscale extraction to within analyse_image and are now allowing  "static unsigned char buffer[320 * 240];"   to store it into :)
Jul 19 15:46:33 <oilinki> it was a great help while trying to find out new placeses an routes in huge bangkok.
Jul 19 15:46:56 <qwerty12> motherf***, I have toooooooooooo much errors when compiling /hamlib-1.2.5 >.<, I guess I need to compile the other ham libs, but I can't be arsed
Jul 19 15:47:06 <Blastur> zap, nope.. all i run in the background is clock
Jul 19 15:47:17 <qwerty12> (I've never even seen this much errors when compiling dodgy kernels)
Jul 19 15:47:23 <fnordianslip> lol.  i just rpgne to work.  i've built most of the deps from source.
Jul 19 15:47:57 <fnordianslip> rpcgen even
Jul 19 15:48:00 <lcuk_> lardman, does you routine work on horizontal scanlines at a time?   if so even though it will be slower you may need to up back to 640*480 resolution.  at 320, the guardbars and other details do not have enough resolution and aliasing occurs quite often.  and when you move the code closer you lose focus
Jul 19 15:48:08 <oilinki> example of the exported track of maemo-mapper today. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://oil.iki.fi/gps/bkk-home-lake-sericenter.kml
Jul 19 15:48:42 <lcuk_> i got round the slowness problem by getting the camera to work at 640*480, but only scan every 4 vertical scanlines
Jul 19 15:48:44 <zap> Blastur: install the cpustats plugin and watch cpu load
Jul 19 15:49:05 <zap> Blastur: if you see the load is above zero when the tablet is idle, open process list and check who's that
Jul 19 15:50:33 <sin18> i havent been able to find kismet for diablo, is it simply a matter of compiling kismet from source in scratchbox or am i missing something ?
Jul 19 16:03:46 <Proteous> a couple of socks maybe
Jul 19 16:03:55 <Proteous> damn dryer eats them I swear
Jul 19 16:11:09 <derf> Okay, I think I've got the Reed-Solomon code and BCH code both fixed.
Jul 19 16:11:32 <derf> As an added bonus, the R-S code is almost 4 times faster.
Jul 19 16:11:43 <derf> And the BCH code is like, leaps and bounds faster.
Jul 19 16:12:53 <derf> Now to look at the rest of the qrcode stuff.
Jul 19 16:14:12 <fnordianslip> doh.  just out of curiosity, i opened up my linux box to see why it was making squeaking noises, and found the fans seized on the graphics card.  ouch.
Jul 19 16:15:09 <derf> That's okay, I went to replace a CPU once and the fan just fell off as soon as I touched it.
Jul 19 16:15:33 <derf> If I had so much as kicked the box hard before that, it probably would've fried.
Jul 19 16:15:47 <fnordianslip> lol.  monitors are for noobs anyhow.
Jul 19 16:22:41 <fnordianslip> derf: funny that you should say that though, as the heatsink just fell of the northbridge. bugger.
Jul 19 16:22:55 <derf> Maybe it's time to upgrade.
Jul 19 16:22:58 <fnordianslip> i do need a northbridge.
Jul 19 16:23:14 <derf> You didn't need a graphics card?
Jul 19 16:23:58 <fnordianslip> not really.  i do most of my work on my MacBook Pro and use ssh and remote X when required.
Jul 19 16:24:22 <derf> Yeah, but a lot of motherboards have this annoying habit of not booting when they can't find one.
Jul 19 16:24:29 <derf> I don't understand it myself.
Jul 19 16:25:04 <fnordianslip> i we'll see.  i do have a spare graphics card, but i now have to find the thermal epoxy for the heatsink, and i bet its gone off.
Jul 19 16:26:11 <fnordianslip> might get new motherboard. glad i use software raid
Jul 19 16:31:23 <lcuk_> fnordianslip, graphics card fans are diabolical
Jul 19 16:31:48 <lcuk_> ive not had one alst the life of the graphics card. most have older cpu fans welded on
Jul 19 16:32:23 <fnordianslip> yep.  i'll go fanless this time.  i'm off to pc world.  what's the consensus, ATI or NVIDIA these days?
Jul 19 16:32:35 <fnordianslip> last one was NVIDIA
Jul 19 16:32:42 <fnordianslip> spare is ATI
Jul 19 16:33:01 <lcuk_> newest top of the line ati seem to have it, but if you are going middle of the range just get what you fancy
Jul 19 16:33:45 <lcuk_> last card i got though was a 7600, i dont see a need for anything more
Jul 19 16:33:48 <fnordianslip> i was thinking of the compiz bling.  if i have to have a monitor, i want bling on it.
Jul 19 16:34:26 <lcuk_> just get the best you can afford with the best drivers rep for what you need :)
Jul 19 16:35:07 <fnordianslip> k.  back soon with new bits.  need to keep scratchbox going.
Jul 19 16:50:42 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/ nit-debian with matchbox+keyboard, and xfce4 panel and xfce4 desktop
Jul 19 16:50:52 <Stskeeps> (screenshots)
Jul 19 16:52:19 <qwerty12> Nice, looks a lot better than the screenies this morning :)
Jul 19 16:52:38 <Stskeeps> was just trying out stuff so :P got tired of the odd look of echo
Jul 19 17:02:52 <pupnik> John Yoo and David Addington should experience the torture they advocate
Jul 19 17:02:55 <pupnik> oh sorry wrong channel
Jul 19 17:03:44 * qwerty12 gets back into router modding
Jul 19 17:05:40 <johnx> qwerty12, trying to see what the disagreement is between your n800 and your router?
Jul 19 17:05:46 <F-i-G> hi, anyone know how to delete applications you don't use on the n810?
Jul 19 17:05:55 <F-i-G> like all the stupid apps i don't want like marbles etc
Jul 19 17:06:17 <johnx> how do you feel about the command line?
Jul 19 17:06:32 <qwerty12> johnx: Yeah, I keep forgetting theres a telnet running on it >.<
Jul 19 17:06:42 <F-i-G> me?
Jul 19 17:07:00 <johnx> F-i-G, yes, the only way I can think of is with apt-get from the command line
Jul 19 17:07:06 <F-i-G> ok
Jul 19 17:07:18 <qwerty12> You will also have the added bonus of messing up osso-software-version too :)
Jul 19 17:07:20 <F-i-G> just as long as i can clean it up...i really don't want these stupid apps like gizmo etc
Jul 19 17:07:25 <F-i-G> oh
Jul 19 17:07:42 <F-i-G> I wish there was a way to just uninstall them
Jul 19 17:08:10 <Stskeeps> wb johnx
Jul 19 17:08:19 <johnx> hey Stskeeps :)
Jul 19 17:08:27 <johnx> nice looking screenshots :)
Jul 19 17:08:27 <qwerty12> Best I can say is to go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and say you want to delete gizmo, run vi gizmo-installer.info and delete the files mentioned.
Jul 19 17:08:43 <johnx> qwerty12, O_o
Jul 19 17:08:45 <qwerty12> s/gizmo-installer.info/gizmo-installer.list
Jul 19 17:08:47 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah.. now for the bloody difficult task of making it packageable
Jul 19 17:08:56 <F-i-G> wow, surprised there's not an easier way
Jul 19 17:09:08 <Stskeeps> johnx: xfce4 and matchbox doesn't always play nicely together
Jul 19 17:09:09 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 19 17:09:38 <johnx> F-i-G, well it is. just "apt-cache search marbles" then apt-get remove marbles-package-name
Jul 19 17:09:52 <johnx> Stskeeps, you could package something that adds files to /etc/skel
Jul 19 17:10:00 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah.. that's one of my thoughts
Jul 19 17:12:18 <F-i-G> hmm. said it was unable to lock the admintstration directory
Jul 19 17:12:28 <qwerty12> need to be root
Jul 19 17:13:27 <F-i-G> sudo root right?
Jul 19 17:13:48 <johnx> sudo gainroot
Jul 19 17:14:25 <F-i-G> Enable RD mote to gain root privileges it says
Jul 19 17:14:30 <johnx> ~rootsh
Jul 19 17:14:31 <infobot> somebody said rootsh was Alex Paulo Laner - mailto: mailto:rootsh@noisemakers.org - São Paulo / Cerquilho - SP
Jul 19 17:14:36 <johnx> grrr...
Jul 19 17:14:40 <johnx> not that rootsh
Jul 19 17:14:51 <johnx> hang on a sec...
Jul 19 17:14:55 <F-i-G> k
Jul 19 17:15:16 <johnx> install this first: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Jul 19 17:15:23 <F-i-G> ok
Jul 19 17:15:53 <johnx> infobot, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Jul 19 17:15:54 <infobot> ...but rootsh is already something else...
Jul 19 17:15:59 <johnx> infobot, I don't care
Jul 19 17:16:00 <infobot> You don't care?
Jul 19 17:16:12 <ShadowJK> infobot, forget rootsh
Jul 19 17:16:32 <ShadowJK> infobot, no, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Jul 19 17:16:33 <infobot> okay, ShadowJK
Jul 19 17:16:38 <ShadowJK> infobot, rootsh?
Jul 19 17:16:39 <infobot> hmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/
Jul 19 17:16:48 <ShadowJK> infobot, who's your daddy?
Jul 19 17:16:49 <infobot> YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants!
Jul 19 17:16:52 <johnx> thanks ShadowJK :)
Jul 19 17:17:08 <johnx> I was about to try the "die in a fire" command...
Jul 19 17:17:10 <qwerty12> If someone has problems with rootsh, I'm not here...
Jul 19 17:18:35 <RST38h> ga: actually, if xfade just copied chinook extras to doablo, with a few grossly broken omissions, and
Jul 19 17:18:54 <RST38h> shit, this has been typed eons ago
Jul 19 17:19:04 <F-i-G> well i installed rootsh
Jul 19 17:19:10 <F-i-G> just
Jul 19 17:19:12 <F-i-G> sudo root?
Jul 19 17:19:22 <qwerty12> root, sudo gainroot
Jul 19 17:19:24 <qwerty12> take your pick
Jul 19 17:20:55 <F-i-G> eh
Jul 19 17:20:58 <F-i-G> it's not working
Jul 19 17:21:31 <F-i-G> unable to lock the administration directory
Jul 19 17:21:32 <F-i-G> argh
Jul 19 17:22:10 <johnx> do you have app manager running?
Jul 19 17:22:23 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 17:22:38 <johnx> for very good reasons, only one thing can mess with packages at the same time :)
Jul 19 17:22:41 <F-i-G> ah ha
Jul 19 17:22:43 <F-i-G> duh
Jul 19 17:22:45 <F-i-G> thanks
Jul 19 17:22:45 <johnx> close app manager if you want to use apt-get
Jul 19 17:23:22 <johnx> also, if it asks you if you're sure, really think before answering yes
Jul 19 17:24:14 <Andy80> hi all
Jul 19 17:24:18 <johnx> hi Andy80
Jul 19 17:24:47 <F-i-G> well
Jul 19 17:24:55 <F-i-G> i deleteed all the packges but it's still here and everything
Jul 19 17:25:11 <johnx> F-i-G, hang on, I'm testing the same thing
Jul 19 17:25:52 <johnx> you did "apt-get remove osso-lmarbles osso-graphics-game-lmarbles"?
Jul 19 17:25:55 <F-i-G> what's the command to view contents of a directory?
Jul 19 17:26:01 <F-i-G> I did
Jul 19 17:26:03 <johnx> F-i-G, ls
Jul 19 17:26:13 <johnx> F-i-G, the icon disappeared for me
Jul 19 17:27:24 <F-i-G> nope
Jul 19 17:27:25 <F-i-G> still here for me
Jul 19 17:27:35 <johnx> what happens if you click on it?
Jul 19 17:27:44 <F-i-G> it opens
Jul 19 17:28:04 <johnx> ok, and did apt-get complain about removing the package?
Jul 19 17:28:36 <F-i-G> says someinth about depends etc etc
Jul 19 17:28:50 <F-i-G> "but it is not going to be installed
Jul 19 17:29:09 <johnx> could you put the whole output on pastebin.com please
Jul 19 17:29:10 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 17:29:13 <F-i-G> marbles still loads
Jul 19 17:29:13 <johnx> I don't think it removed it at all
Jul 19 17:29:29 <johnx> right, because it didn't get removed, because osso-software-version depends on it
Jul 19 17:30:10 <johnx> you have to decide whether you're willing to live without it or not
Jul 19 17:30:34 <F-i-G> done
Jul 19 17:30:51 <F-i-G> zfigz
Jul 19 17:31:03 <guenther> hmm, updated to diablo, and on the first apt-get use it complains about 3 missing debs?
Jul 19 17:31:25 <guenther> need the full error message...
Jul 19 17:31:33 <F-i-G> see it johnx?
Jul 19 17:31:43 <guenther> But it sure sounds like the known packaging issue.
Jul 19 17:32:14 <johnx> F-i-G, sorry, what was the link? I don't see it...
Jul 19 17:32:42 <F-i-G> m3d866929
Jul 19 17:32:44 <johnx> guenther, apt-get -f install seems to solve it
Jul 19 17:32:54 <F-i-G> http://pastebin.com/m3d866929
Jul 19 17:32:56 <guenther> johnx: I know. :)
Jul 19 17:33:41 <guenther> the marbles is new to me...
Jul 19 17:33:51 <johnx> guenther, he wants to remove it to save space
Jul 19 17:33:58 <johnx> F-i-G, If I were you I'd do this:
Jul 19 17:34:15 <johnx> apt-get -f install && apt-get remove osso-software-version-rx44 osso-lmarbles osso-graphics-game-lmarbles
Jul 19 17:34:16 <guenther> The first 3 are known, yes.
Jul 19 17:34:36 <johnx> F-i-G, but keep in mind that might make some packages unhappy in the future if they assume osso-software-version-rx44 is still there
Jul 19 17:34:59 <johnx> F-i-G, you have to decide how badly you want to save some space
Jul 19 17:36:05 <F-i-G> well
Jul 19 17:36:07 <F-i-G> it's not the space
Jul 19 17:36:12 <F-i-G> i just don't want to crowd shit up
Jul 19 17:36:18 <F-i-G> like i don't want gizmo either
Jul 19 17:36:18 <johnx> the menu?
Jul 19 17:36:20 <F-i-G> or these games
Jul 19 17:36:21 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 17:36:22 <F-i-G> exactly
Jul 19 17:36:33 <johnx> ah, I ended up making a folder called "unused" in my menu :)
Jul 19 17:36:41 <johnx> and putting it at the bottom
Jul 19 17:36:45 <F-i-G> yeah
Jul 19 17:36:46 <F-i-G> I'll do that
Jul 19 17:36:47 <F-i-G> ;)
Jul 19 17:36:52 <johnx> but you're right, it's super annoying
Jul 19 17:38:06 <F-i-G> and these communication apps
Jul 19 17:38:15 <F-i-G> because Chat only supports jabber and gtalk
Jul 19 17:38:19 <F-i-G> kinda annoying
Jul 19 17:38:29 <F-i-G> and should i just use the email app that's on here?
Jul 19 17:38:34 <F-i-G> i updated to diablo last night
Jul 19 17:38:46 <johnx> F-i-G, it depends on your preference
Jul 19 17:38:54 <johnx> the other choice is claws (or something on the command line)
Jul 19 17:38:57 <F-i-G> is this email app the best?
Jul 19 17:38:59 <F-i-G> bah
Jul 19 17:38:59 <fnordianslip> aargh. i just bought vista by accident.
Jul 19 17:39:05 <F-i-G> no command line :P
Jul 19 17:39:06 <johnx> fnordianslip, O_o
Jul 19 17:39:08 <F-i-G> argh!
Jul 19 17:39:11 <F-i-G> no fnord
Jul 19 17:39:15 <F-i-G> oki
Jul 19 17:39:20 <F-i-G> How is claws?
Jul 19 17:39:27 <johnx> F-i-G, claws is nice, but the buttons are a bit small
Jul 19 17:39:30 <johnx> it's more than I need
Jul 19 17:39:42 <F-i-G> I'll just stick with this email app
Jul 19 17:39:56 <F-i-G> Do you ever use the chat/Internet Call apps?
Jul 19 17:39:59 <F-i-G> I use fring and skype
Jul 19 17:40:00 <F-i-G> so
Jul 19 17:40:00 <fnordianslip> has anyone got any good virii to try on it before it gets wiped?
Jul 19 17:40:18 <F-i-G> nope, sorry fnord
Jul 19 17:41:00 <johnx> fnordianslip, move the WINDOWS directory and see how long it lasts before dying on you? maybe try del *.* in C:\
Jul 19 17:41:09 <fnordianslip> lol.
Jul 19 17:41:09 * johnx doesn't follow virii these days
Jul 19 17:42:18 <lcuk_> viruses arent made like they used to be.
Jul 19 17:42:39 <johnx> lcuk_, I was about to say the same thing
Jul 19 17:42:59 <johnx> things have changed so much in the last 10 years...
Jul 19 17:43:23 <lcuk_> in my day they were elegant tightly coded blocks of pure ASM.  nowadays you are lucky if you can download a virus with dialup
Jul 19 17:43:45 <Blastur> well, they do alot more today
Jul 19 17:43:46 <johnx> also, I remember them being more prankish than "big business"
Jul 19 17:43:48 <F-i-G> hey john
Jul 19 17:43:49 <Blastur> like botnets :)
Jul 19 17:43:51 <F-i-G> Do you ever use the chat/Internet Call apps?
Jul 19 17:44:05 <johnx> F-i-G, nope, but I keep them around. dunno why
Jul 19 17:44:15 <F-i-G> oki
Jul 19 17:44:16 <F-i-G> thanks
Jul 19 17:44:18 <F-i-G> time to download apps
Jul 19 17:44:22 <F-i-G> can you guys recommend any?
Jul 19 17:44:46 <johnx> vim, alpine, rsync, screen, less
Jul 19 17:44:59 <summatusmentis> wait, for the NIT?
Jul 19 17:45:03 <johnx> then just maximize your terminal and you've got a nice unix shell :)
Jul 19 17:45:15 <lcuk_> F-i-G, theres a neat program called ARMEL.wipeyourdrive.b somewhere.  ill send you an email
Jul 19 17:45:41 <johnx> F-i-G, you have to tell us what you want to do. everyone has different ideas of "cool"
Jul 19 17:45:55 <johnx> but you should check out numptyphysics and canola
Jul 19 17:46:20 <lcuk_> i keep pondering whether to put box2d into liqbase
Jul 19 17:46:21 <summatusmentis> and liqbase
Jul 19 17:46:27 <summatusmentis> you should check out liqbase too
Jul 19 17:46:28 <F-i-G> hehe
Jul 19 17:46:34 <lcuk_> its not really feature complete yet though summatusmentis
Jul 19 17:46:40 <summatusmentis> it's still really cool
Jul 19 17:46:41 <F-i-G> well communcation apps, gps, etc
Jul 19 17:46:48 <lcuk_> yes, you should look and see what it can do, but note its a demo at this point
Jul 19 17:46:54 <johnx> F-i-G, pidgin, maemo mapper
Jul 19 17:47:05 <F-i-G> ARMEL.wipeyourdrive.b eh . . . very funny
Jul 19 17:47:10 * summatusmentis finds himself not using pidgin nearly often enough
Jul 19 17:47:26 * lcuk_ finds himself not using lots of programs most of the time
Jul 19 17:47:41 <lcuk_> most used apps on my nit are liqbase, gcc and make
Jul 19 17:48:16 <summatusmentis> "look at me, I'm lcuk, I compile things on my NIT, la dee dah" :-P
Jul 19 17:48:23 <lcuk_> actually, is there any real way to log and monitor app usage over the whole device?
Jul 19 17:48:34 <johnx> lcuk_, top?
Jul 19 17:48:44 <johnx> aaah, like you mean how often you use them
Jul 19 17:49:00 <johnx> you'd have to have something logging file access (read: slow)
Jul 19 17:49:19 <lcuk_> johnx, i mean global overall counting of apps used: length of time and how often etc
Jul 19 17:49:25 <lcuk_> even if it just hooked into the elf loader?
Jul 19 17:49:42 <lcuk_> not interested in general data files, just when a binary is opener
Jul 19 17:49:43 <lcuk_> d
Jul 19 17:50:10 <johnx> wouldn't that place it in kernel space?
Jul 19 17:50:43 <lcuk_> presumably
Jul 19 17:51:03 <johnx> that's as ugly as running as root all the time :/
Jul 19 17:51:14 * lcuk_ whistles quietly
Jul 19 17:51:18 <johnx> :D
Jul 19 17:52:12 <summatusmentis> oh really? oof
Jul 19 17:52:23 <summatusmentis> lcuk_: why do you run as root? bad!
Jul 19 17:52:47 <johnx> summatusmentis, be nice to him. He's trying to recreate the comforts (perils?) of his past experience with windows :)
Jul 19 17:53:22 <summatusmentis> maemo allows you to!
Jul 19 17:53:33 <lcuk_> im not, i just couldnt find a way to write to cpufreq stuff without
Jul 19 17:53:56 <lcuk_> i would gladly call a user cpufreq interface if someone would show me how
Jul 19 17:54:08 * summatusmentis averts his eye
Jul 19 17:54:14 <summatusmentis> I know nothing about cpufreq
Jul 19 17:54:23 <johnx> rootsh echo performance > /sys/.../scaling_governor
Jul 19 17:54:37 <lcuk_> rootsh?
Jul 19 17:54:49 <summatusmentis> is that qwerty12's thing?
Jul 19 17:54:57 <johnx> yup, it's a qwerty12 package :)
Jul 19 17:55:08 <lcuk_> recent?
Jul 19 17:55:12 <summatusmentis> replacement for easyroot, right?
Jul 19 17:55:19 <johnx> lcuk_, semi-recent
Jul 19 17:55:33 <johnx> putting something in sudoers was always an option, but this is easier
Jul 19 17:55:34 <lcuk_> probably why then - after i added myself to sudoers i forgot all about it
Jul 19 17:56:15 <johnx> lcuk_, you added yourself to sudoers, but still run compiles as root? you can just run "sudo echo foo > bar"
Jul 19 17:57:13 <lcuk_> yes, but at the time my lack of knowedge left me trying to "echo blah > ///cpufreq"  after i added that line to sudoers
Jul 19 17:57:25 <lcuk_> i forgot i needed to call "sudo ..." as the shell line
Jul 19 17:57:40 <lcuk_> yes, i know
Jul 19 17:58:01 <johnx> lcuk_, no worries. :) I'm just giving you a hard time
Jul 19 17:58:16 <lcuk_> no you arent :) you have just given me the way to do it cleanly :)
Jul 19 17:58:24 <johnx> $deity knows I didn't learn linux quickly
Jul 19 17:58:47 <lcuk_> talking through a problem helps, id just forgotten it was a problem
Jul 19 17:59:29 <lcuk_> so if i exec("sudo blah")    will the exec() return whether it failed ?
Jul 19 17:59:36 <johnx> running as root is just like running with scissors: it's not a problem. It just has the potential to make other problems worse
Jul 19 17:59:43 <lcuk_> or will it return whether sudo itself failed
Jul 19 17:59:55 <johnx> aaah, now that's a good question
Jul 19 18:00:31 <summatusmentis> why should sudo fail?
Jul 19 18:00:38 <lcuk_> not in sudoers
Jul 19 18:00:47 <johnx> summatusmentis, or wrong password (if set that way)
Jul 19 18:01:15 <lcuk_> and will sudo wait in a silent window with no way to enter password if i call exec
Jul 19 18:01:25 <johnx> lcuk_, potentially
Jul 19 18:01:34 <summatusmentis> I would assume so
Jul 19 18:01:39 <johnx> there is a section of the man page on return values
Jul 19 18:01:45 <lcuk_> at least with the fopen("/.../cpufreq")    fputs(...)   code i know at what point it failed
Jul 19 18:02:42 <lcuk_> i might just make a small self contained liqbase_cpufreqchanger   helper app
Jul 19 18:03:01 <lcuk_> add that to sudoers and shell to that as required
Jul 19 18:03:24 <lcuk_> but that doesnt really help solve the problem
Jul 19 18:03:34 <johnx> of adding people to sudoers?
Jul 19 18:03:59 <lcuk_> no, of the priviledge escalation issue
Jul 19 18:04:14 <johnx> lcuk_, yeah, that might be nice to have at a user level
Jul 19 18:04:22 <johnx> especially on a single-user device
Jul 19 18:04:37 <johnx> I think there's a way to add file paths to sudo
Jul 19 18:04:42 <lcuk_> heh, my device is multi user
Jul 19 18:04:43 <summatusmentis> yep
Jul 19 18:04:44 * johnx tries to remember
Jul 19 18:05:28 <lcuk_> actually it doesnt matter, if a user installs a malicious program they would just go to the throat anyway and not bother replacing my binary
Jul 19 18:05:28 <johnx> lcuk_, run man sudoers on a machine with manpages installed (not tablet) or feed that to google
Jul 19 18:06:41 <lcuk_> since i can read the performance stats as user from code (with fopen) ill just sudo a helper script and then re-read afterwards to confirm it changed
Jul 19 18:07:06 <lcuk_> its not a major performance lag because its an interactive single run process
Jul 19 18:07:16 <johnx> that seems reasonable
Jul 19 18:07:20 <johnx> still a pain to code up
Jul 19 18:07:32 <lcuk_> well ive got all the cpufreq code done nicely
Jul 19 18:08:41 <lcuk_> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqapp.c     look down there for the cpufreq_governor_*
Jul 19 18:13:24 <johnx> grr...the smallest typos are always the hardest to spot...
Jul 19 18:13:35 <patco444> Proactol™ is a groundbreaking development in weight loss treatment, and is exactly what over weight people have been waiting for - http://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=119443&s=38
Jul 19 18:13:44 <lcuk_> i have a typo?
Jul 19 18:13:48 <lcuk_> ]or you?
Jul 19 18:13:54 <johnx> lcuk_, not you. me :)
Jul 19 18:13:58 <johnx> had a typo
Jul 19 18:14:07 <johnx> += instead of =+
Jul 19 18:14:18 <lcuk_> that wouldnt compile for me
Jul 19 18:14:21 <lcuk_> what language
Jul 19 18:14:26 <johnx> python
Jul 19 18:14:33 <lcuk_> cool, what does =+
Jul 19 18:14:33 <DHR> I just installed Diablo on my N800.  "su" doesn't work (it's not Set-UID, and should not be since it is just a symlink to busybox).  I installed rootsh package but am dismayed that it doesn't require a password.  Is there something like su (i.e. works, but requires a password)?
Jul 19 18:14:34 <lcuk_> do
Jul 19 18:14:57 <RST38h> sudo
Jul 19 18:15:22 <RST38h> as for roorsh I suggest installing ssh instead
Jul 19 18:15:34 <johnx> lcuk_, adds something to a list of other somethings. my grasp of python is somewhat loose :)
Jul 19 18:15:49 <DHR> sudo is in sudser package, I guess
Jul 19 18:16:01 <lcuk_> you gotta hold the snake tightly round the neck
Jul 19 18:16:45 <johnx> or just let it go
Jul 19 18:16:59 <lcuk_> and run like hell
Jul 19 18:17:19 <johnx> just did, seemed to work well :)
Jul 19 18:20:03 * Stskeeps runs another debian-installer process
Jul 19 18:20:33 <johnx> Stskeeps, I bought more sd cards today. hopefully enough to play with all the distros I want on my ARM devices :)
Jul 19 18:20:44 <Stskeeps> hehe
Jul 19 18:21:02 <Stskeeps> i have considered getting a third one which i use as source for the debootstrap so i dont have to do it again all the bloody time :P
Jul 19 18:21:13 <Stskeeps> or one for my actual debian system that i can hack to bits
Jul 19 18:23:47 <johnx> yeah, I kept avoiding trying things because it meant either having to sacrifice my "music and books" card for space or potentially being without a working system
Jul 19 18:24:02 <johnx> modest runs on poky, BTW :)
Jul 19 18:24:11 <Stskeeps> oki - didn't try poky
Jul 19 18:24:24 <Stskeeps> i was pretty satisfied with claws on debian, seemed quite nice
Jul 19 18:24:26 <johnx> mmm...for the N8x0 I'm not sure it's worth it
Jul 19 18:24:31 <johnx> poky I mean
Jul 19 18:24:47 <johnx> between os200x and debian I think most use-cases are covered
Jul 19 18:27:10 <Stskeeps> johnx: btw once we have the diablo fixes in, a fillin for hald-addon-bme (diablo), and a small thing in boot-basics to handle the bootreason 'charger', i think we could do a "release" of nit-debian for people to use
Jul 19 18:27:35 <johnx> Stskeeps, I fully agree
Jul 19 18:27:41 <Stskeeps> i'm trying out a .deb for my "environment" right now
Jul 19 18:27:58 <johnx> metacity or something else?
Jul 19 18:28:10 <Stskeeps> it's a bastard child of matchbox, xfce4, and matchbox-keyboard
Jul 19 18:28:22 <Stskeeps> it works quite well actually
Jul 19 18:28:25 <johnx> s/metacity/matchbox ... dur
Jul 19 18:28:31 * johnx should sleep soon
Jul 19 18:29:06 <johnx> people rebelled the last time I handed them matchbox :)
Jul 19 18:29:32 <Stskeeps> i dislike some parts but the WM isn't that bad
Jul 19 18:30:09 <johnx> I actually like it a lot
Jul 19 18:30:34 <Stskeeps> as in the matchbox-desktop launcher or?
Jul 19 18:30:45 <johnx> the window manager mostly
Jul 19 18:30:47 <RST38h> johnx: can we have a mpbile version of windowmaker though?
Jul 19 18:31:02 <johnx> RST38h, as soon as you write the code for it
Jul 19 18:31:18 <johnx> Stskeeps, but some people seem to want things to fit on their screen, but don't like everything maximized
Jul 19 18:31:37 <Stskeeps> true
Jul 19 18:31:43 <johnx> RST38h, I actually like wmaker quite a lot, but it doesn't seem to work too well without a real right click
Jul 19 18:31:50 <Stskeeps> well since this'll be a .deb, people are more than able to do alternative environments :)
Jul 19 18:32:06 <johnx> Stskeeps, that seems like a good way to do it then
Jul 19 18:33:42 <Stskeeps> i just wish matchbox-keyboard was smaller
Jul 19 18:35:07 <johnx> I should send you Navi's layout for it at least
Jul 19 18:35:13 <johnx> it's a lot better than the default
Jul 19 18:35:21 <DHR> when I reboot my n800 with diablo (only done it a couple of times after the first), it stays at a white screen for a long time (maybe forever).  This is after the hand-hand Nokia screen.  Anyone else see this?  WAG: maybe OpenSSH server is waiting for enropy for its RNG (openssh installation took a long time, and I put it down to that)..
Jul 19 18:35:50 <johnx> DHR, I haven't seen that actually. What command are you using to reboot?
Jul 19 18:35:55 <DHR> The first reboot was find (Openssh-server had not been installed).
Jul 19 18:36:15 * johnx has openssh installed as well...
Jul 19 18:36:41 <Stskeeps> johnx: quite interested in that - it makes the on screen size smaller as well? (didn't look into the layout format)
Jul 19 18:37:00 <DHR> johnx: first time: holding the button down for long enough. ; the second time, I gave up waiting on the first & removed the battery to try again.
Jul 19 18:37:15 <johnx> Stskeeps, it keeps the size, but uses it more effectively by making the letters big enough to thumb type
Jul 19 18:37:24 <Stskeeps> ah
Jul 19 18:37:50 <johnx> DHR, aaaah. I see. It seems to work when I type "reboot"
Jul 19 18:38:04 <johnx> but it hasn't hung on boot when I've had to pull the battery, so I really have no idea
Jul 19 18:38:11 <DHR> johnx: Openssh client might not need entropy at boot but ssh server may well.  Do you have server and client installed?  I admit this is a WAG (wild-assed guess).
Jul 19 18:38:35 <johnx> server is installed...
Jul 19 18:40:37 <DHR> johnx: OK.  So WAG is likely wrong.  Is there any way to recover from a white screen?  Holding power-etc button (don't know its name) doesn't do anything.  Touching screen generates clicks as if it is accepting them.
Jul 19 18:41:07 <johnx> DHR, you might have wireless at that point. have you tried sshing in?
Jul 19 18:41:07 <DHR> I will reflash if that is necessary, but something more subtle would be nice.
Jul 19 18:41:21 <DHR> good idea.
Jul 19 18:41:27 <johnx> DHR, just think back to what you've installed. Does anything else run at boot?
Jul 19 18:41:41 <shackan> did anyone install fring on the n800? it doesn't start
Jul 19 18:43:46 <DHR> WaitI've installed camera, gpe filemanager, maemo map + NA maps, openssh (c&s), fmradio, rootsh, sudser, removed rootsh.  Thats about it, and in that order, (subject to mistakes).
Jul 19 18:44:48 <johnx> but it boots sometimes?
Jul 19 18:44:51 <DHR> I don't think sshing in will work since OS seems to shut off radio when it thinks that it is idle.  Have I got that wrong?
Jul 19 18:44:51 <johnx> or not at all anymore?
Jul 19 18:45:32 <johnx> DHR, it doesn't shut it off, but sometimes it can seem like that if your router doesn't cope with the power savings well
Jul 19 18:45:35 <DHR> No, it won't boot by holding customary button.  I remove battery to reset it.
Jul 19 18:46:04 <johnx> so there's no way for you to get back into the OS?
Jul 19 18:46:35 <johnx> maybe a problem with /etc/sudoers based on the most recent software you've installed
Jul 19 18:47:02 <DHR> I've not tried everything.  I don't even know what everything would be.  I'm pretty inexperiences with the N800.
Jul 19 18:47:23 <johnx> if you can't get back into the OS it's probably easiest to reflash, unless you need to retrieve data first
Jul 19 18:48:41 <DHR> [I wish I typed better.  Sorry.]  I've invested very little in this load.  I flashed to diablo and was building up the applications portfolio.
Jul 19 18:49:13 <johnx> I'd suggest a reflash unless you want to try and recover it
Jul 19 18:49:32 <johnx> you could flash a modified initfs with a telnet daemon included and use usb networking to log in and poke around
Jul 19 18:51:12 <DHR> johnx: thanks for your help.  I think that I'll take the brute force route.  It's nice to know that it isn't something embarrassingly obvious.
Jul 19 18:51:55 <johnx> my money is on a bad interaction (or uninstall problem) with rootsh and sudser (?) that messed up sudoers (or something else)
Jul 19 18:52:38 <DHR> where this started was that fm-radio could not switch between speakers and headphones.  It complained "audio output switching failed".  Googling suggested that a reboot might help.
Jul 19 18:53:17 <Stskeeps> okay, i'm getting a 404 on http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0.sh
Jul 19 18:53:23 <Stskeeps> .. where is this these days?
Jul 19 18:53:36 <johnx> maybe 4.0.1 ?
Jul 19 18:53:37 <Stskeeps> (looking at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt)
Jul 19 18:53:37 <DHR> johnx: what do you consider best practice?  openssh + sudser was what I'm thinking.
Jul 19 18:53:38 <Stskeeps> mm
Jul 19 18:53:51 <GAN800> rootsh
Jul 19 18:53:51 <johnx> DHR, what is sudser?
Jul 19 18:53:55 <johnx> I've never heard of it...
Jul 19 18:54:08 <GAN800> A comletely untested pakcage
Jul 19 18:54:17 <GAN800> modifies sudoers. :/
Jul 19 18:54:44 <fnordianslip> cool.  my RAID1 set happily installed in my new crappy Core-2 Quad machine, and scratchbox lives on.  less than 2 hours down-time
Jul 19 18:54:45 <Stskeeps> johnx: worked, ta
Jul 19 18:54:47 <DHR> johnx: sudser seems to be the package with sudo and something with some of the functionality of su (but not all, I guess).
Jul 19 18:55:05 <johnx> DHR, sudo is installed by default
Jul 19 18:55:15 <DHR> sudser was offered to me from diablo feeds.
Jul 19 18:55:26 <fnordianslip> software raid is the way
Jul 19 18:55:36 <johnx> I think I'd suggest rootsh
Jul 19 18:55:55 <Stskeeps> johnx: going to try and see if i can patch g_ether.ko so i can get XP RNDIS back again :/
Jul 19 18:55:55 <RST38bis> ssh!
Jul 19 18:56:07 <DHR> johnx: rootsh doesn't seem to ask for the root password.  I don't really like that.
Jul 19 18:56:43 <fnordianslip> anyone want a 380GB sata disk with Vista running PC World promotional material?
Jul 19 18:56:46 <RST38bis> ssh gives you an option to get root remotely and you can also use it for local root a cess
Jul 19 18:57:10 <RST38bis> and ssh does allow to set root password
Jul 19 18:57:28 <GAN800> lol, worried about a root password on a mobile Linux device. . . .
Jul 19 18:57:35 <DHR> openssh installation seems to set the root password.
Jul 19 18:57:44 <RST38bis> correct
Jul 19 18:58:43 * johnx gives up on modest for tonight, sleeps
Jul 19 18:58:54 <Stskeeps> nini johnx
Jul 19 18:59:14 <DHR> johnx: thanks again
Jul 19 19:05:31 <RST38bis> test
Jul 19 19:10:25 <lcuk_> RST38bis, :) hi, do you know off the top of your head where any c+embedded asm code might be used   (ie, have you got any examples in your code) or around where you look?
Jul 19 19:15:00 <Xamusk> why won't Nokia keep selling the N800?
Jul 19 19:15:24 <jott> lardman: lcuk_: i just commited a quite working version of an EAN13 recognition.
Jul 19 19:15:38 <lcuk_> ! neato
Jul 19 19:15:43 <GAN800> Things eventually get discontinued.
Jul 19 19:16:14 <jott> it still gives some false positives sometimes but otherwise it worked with nearly all barcodes i tested ;)
Jul 19 19:16:44 <jott> its mainly based on http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/ (java)
Jul 19 19:16:47 <lcuk_> jott, false positives as in pass the logic test for the values returned?
Jul 19 19:17:12 <Xamusk> though I believe the price/feature ratio is much better for the N800
Jul 19 19:17:17 <jott> checksum is correct, number is not the one on the code ;)
Jul 19 19:17:39 <jott> but works well even with 320x240
Jul 19 19:17:47 <Xamusk> and unfortunately Maemo won't work in the Sony Mylo
Jul 19 19:18:06 <lcuk_> jott, is that working from an image or from live data?
Jul 19 19:18:16 <GAN800> Xamusk, N810 is down to $299. Give it a few months.
Jul 19 19:18:24 <lcuk_> i see the batoo code you included works from a pbm
Jul 19 19:18:42 <jott> lcuk_: yeah live data
Jul 19 19:18:47 <lcuk_> wicked :)
Jul 19 19:19:01 <jott> the pbm was just for debugging ;)
Jul 19 19:19:15 <lcuk_> i think my camera might be out of focus then, cos there was lots of aliasing from my camera at 320
Jul 19 19:19:25 <Xamusk> oh, $299, that fair enough
Jul 19 19:19:34 <lcuk_> i changed to 640 and do a scan every 4 lines
Jul 19 19:19:37 <jott> ah a bit aliasing is not problematic
Jul 19 19:19:38 <Xamusk> last time I checked it was still almost 400
Jul 19 19:19:46 <jott> it currently runs at 320x240 with every two lines
Jul 19 19:19:55 <lcuk_> reasonable enough
Jul 19 19:19:56 <jott> and cpu is < 50%
Jul 19 19:20:10 <lcuk_> especially considering you are sitting there requesting barcodes
Jul 19 19:20:27 <lcuk_> maybe you could do even less lineage
Jul 19 19:20:37 <jott> maybe i need to extract some error metric so false positives are reduced
Jul 19 19:20:38 <lcuk_> but you want best chance really
Jul 19 19:20:51 <jott> yeah it would work with more scanline
Jul 19 19:20:53 <lcuk_> im surprised you can get past the checksum
Jul 19 19:20:55 <jott> erm less
Jul 19 19:21:24 <Xamusk> ha, in amazon only the Palm TX passes the N810
Jul 19 19:21:29 <jott> maybe even in some different angles
Jul 19 19:21:42 <jott> but it's really funny ;)
Jul 19 19:22:11 <lcuk_> happy to see your code is still in place to do the copy: but i optimised it last night to read longs instead of bytes and write words
Jul 19 19:22:46 <jott> http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode
Jul 19 19:22:58 <lcuk_> oh, i was looking on garage
Jul 19 19:23:00 <jott> lcuk_: ah yeah should give a little boost
Jul 19 19:23:08 <jott> yeah its in svn
Jul 19 19:23:08 <jott> this is the executable
Jul 19 19:23:26 <jott> so wget http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode && chmod +x maemo-barcode    on the device
Jul 19 19:23:29 <jott> and you can test it
Jul 19 19:23:43 <lcuk_> its ok ill just svn up
Jul 19 19:24:05 <lcuk_> i found a way to write onto the surface by the way
Jul 19 19:24:14 <jott> ah it's in there too
Jul 19 19:24:15 <jott> the code
Jul 19 19:24:25 <jott> it's just commented out as i did not need it anymore :P
Jul 19 19:24:28 <lcuk_> :( i had to throw away gtk though after being frustrated
Jul 19 19:24:43 <lcuk_> so now i can have a live camera in a floating bitmap in liqbase
Jul 19 19:24:43 <jott> yeah it's a bit tricky with gtk..
Jul 19 19:25:09 <jott> most important part is - signals are not thread safe :p
Jul 19 19:25:12 <lcuk_> helped me to understand a bit more about gstreamer at least
Jul 19 19:25:21 <jott> ah
Jul 19 19:25:26 <jott> also nice
Jul 19 19:25:33 <lcuk_> liqbase reads the bitmap, camera code writes it
Jul 19 19:25:38 <jott> you could allow video annotations
Jul 19 19:25:45 <lcuk_> it tears occasionally but it was enough to test
Jul 19 19:25:58 <jott> or atleast some pictures from a slide or so
Jul 19 19:26:01 <lcuk_> yes, audio is the next piece of unutilised hardware :)
Jul 19 19:26:11 <lardman> hey chaps
Jul 19 19:26:13 * jott needs to find more barcodes to tst
Jul 19 19:26:15 <jott> test
Jul 19 19:26:17 <jott> lardman: hey
Jul 19 19:26:22 <jott> lardman: check out the svn code ;)
Jul 19 19:26:28 <lcuk_> i want multi user - im setting up a screen for user info: name sig and picture
Jul 19 19:26:31 <lardman> what do we have?
Jul 19 19:26:32 <jott> or wget http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode && chmod +x maemo-barcode && ./maemo-barcode
Jul 19 19:26:35 <lcuk_> hi there lardman :)
Jul 19 19:26:35 <jott> on the device
Jul 19 19:26:42 <jott> lardman: quite good working EAN13
Jul 19 19:26:48 <lardman> cool :)
Jul 19 19:27:47 <lardman> what's batoo?
Jul 19 19:27:58 <jott> http://people.inf.ethz.ch/adelmanr/batoo/
Jul 19 19:28:00 <lcuk_> you had a nice day lardman? or have you been cursing at code
Jul 19 19:28:11 <lardman> cursing code this morning
Jul 19 19:28:15 <jott> some java based algorithm
Jul 19 19:28:19 <jott> i ported to c
Jul 19 19:28:43 <jott> (some glitches still in there  i guess, and maybe even leaks... but it works for now )
Jul 19 19:28:55 <lardman> bloody MATLAB code, works really well, not so well in C
Jul 19 19:29:07 <lardman> jott: good work :)
Jul 19 19:29:43 <jott> heh yeah only problem are false positives for now
Jul 19 19:29:59 <jott> it seems to detect almost all ean codes i tested
Jul 19 19:30:10 <jott> but sometimes there are a few wrong numbers
Jul 19 19:30:17 <lardman> yeah, just noticed that
Jul 19 19:30:39 <lardman> I wonder, are the false positives actually correct - crc & all?
Jul 19 19:30:47 <jott> yeah
Jul 19 19:30:56 <jott> crc is correct
Jul 19 19:31:34 <lardman> I've not looked too hard at the code, but does it do multiple scan lines?
Jul 19 19:31:39 <lardman> could do majority voting
Jul 19 19:31:41 <rm_you> mmm back
Jul 19 19:31:43 <rm_you> tasty ramen
Jul 19 19:31:44 <jott> lardman: yeah it takes one scanline
Jul 19 19:32:15 <jott> (and in the main code it passes every second line to the algorithm)
Jul 19 19:32:39 <jott> its really fast
Jul 19 19:32:47 <lardman> might be worth looking at multiple lines, see if we can remove that false positive thing
Jul 19 19:32:52 <lardman> yes, it sure is :)
Jul 19 19:33:12 <jott> lardman: ah.. ok just collect the lines and weight them?! hmm
Jul 19 19:33:14 <jott> yeah could workd
Jul 19 19:33:28 <jott> i think there is maybe some similar code in the original algorithm
Jul 19 19:33:28 <lardman> just see which comes out most often
Jul 19 19:33:31 <jott> i just ported the scanline part
Jul 19 19:33:33 <jott> yeah
Jul 19 19:33:34 <lardman> I see it uses floating point
Jul 19 19:33:50 <rm_you> lardman / jott: how goes it? status? :P
Jul 19 19:34:13 <jott> rm_you: EAN13 works quite well
Jul 19 19:34:22 <rm_you> sweet
Jul 19 19:34:25 <lardman> rm_you: jott's converted some 1D code which works well
Jul 19 19:34:27 <rm_you> I will test :)
Jul 19 19:34:27 <jott> and when we implement lardmans idea i guess we get a really high detection rate
Jul 19 19:34:32 <rm_you> ah neat
Jul 19 19:34:43 <rm_you> soon you will have time to look at datamatrix? :P
Jul 19 19:34:47 <lcuk_> im genuinely surprised at the crc pass
Jul 19 19:34:53 <rm_you> it is really simple supposedly with the library and everything, i am just dumb :P
Jul 19 19:34:54 <lardman> jott: the alternative is to use a time based averaging
Jul 19 19:35:30 <lcuk_> just grab the numbers from each scanline and return the one which it found on most lines
Jul 19 19:35:31 <jott> lardman: yeah well i bet collection about 10 numbers and using the one that comes most often should do it
Jul 19 19:35:40 <jott> lcuk_: yep
Jul 19 19:35:43 <jott> that's the idea
Jul 19 19:35:43 <lcuk_> :)
Jul 19 19:36:13 <lardman> jott: yep
Jul 19 19:36:46 <lcuk_> how does it handle upsidedown scans?
Jul 19 19:37:10 <lardman> might still be worth looking at a time based one though - 1s acquisition is fast enough to process ~10 frames, then one would only need the scanline in the middle
Jul 19 19:37:10 <lcuk_> i found out by the way :$ i was holding it upsidedown
Jul 19 19:37:10 <lardman> so more chance of the user getting it rightr
Jul 19 19:37:25 <lardman> lcuk_: I found out I wasn't skipping the U & V data :S
Jul 19 19:37:40 <lardman> I might test my original fp code again with the correct input data :)
Jul 19 19:37:49 <lcuk_> oh crap - i posted up there this morning about that:   jotts byte based copy works well
Jul 19 19:38:30 <lcuk_> but i converted it to read longs (2 yuv pixels at a time) and write greyscale words.
Jul 19 19:38:42 <lardman> yep, I thought it was test code so commented it out originally - oops
Jul 19 19:38:43 <rm_you> lcuk_ / lardman / jott: the datamatrix handles color codes... sooo >_>
Jul 19 19:38:47 <lcuk_> it helped a lot when i was doing blitting and general memory copies so leaves more time for processing
Jul 19 19:38:57 <lardman> rm_you: really? Is that a valid encoding?
Jul 19 19:39:01 <lcuk_> rm_you, the camera color information is SO noissey
Jul 19 19:39:01 <rm_you> lardman: maybe
Jul 19 19:39:17 <rm_you> see: http://www.libdmtx.org/Images/LibdmtxScreen_20070712_lg.png
Jul 19 19:39:28 <lardman> rm_you: go for grayscale first, colour data is easy enough to extract, even if too noisy
Jul 19 19:39:38 <rm_you> it is craziness <_<
Jul 19 19:39:43 <lardman> nice
Jul 19 19:39:48 <rm_you> dunno if that is any official encoding scheme but it DOES support it :P
Jul 19 19:40:09 <lardman> I'm off tomorrow at the crack of dawn, but ping Jaffa to look at some website scraping to get back info about these EANs
Jul 19 19:40:21 <rm_you> i could start on that also
Jul 19 19:40:24 <rm_you> THAT is more my forte
Jul 19 19:40:27 <lcuk_> theres a cuecat info lookup page i saw somewhere
Jul 19 19:40:29 <lardman> In the Simon_1D.c file there's a fn which will do ean2isbn() which might be of use too
Jul 19 19:40:29 <rm_you> i dont do image processing
Jul 19 19:40:32 <lcuk_> it is basically a webapi
Jul 19 19:40:40 <lardman> rm_you: go for it :)
Jul 19 19:40:45 <rm_you> but i can do web scraping :)
Jul 19 19:40:48 <rm_you> i will look at that
Jul 19 19:40:57 <rm_you> dunno about in C tho <_<
Jul 19 19:41:03 <rm_you> python i am good at it :P
Jul 19 19:41:20 <lcuk_> http://www.upcdatabase.com/itemform.asp
Jul 19 19:41:43 <lardman> http://en.barcodepedia.com/ also
Jul 19 19:41:58 <lardman> http://www.semapedia.org/ might do location data from QR codes
Jul 19 19:42:20 <rm_you> QR codes normally just encode a url or something directly into them
Jul 19 19:42:22 <rm_you> no lookup tables
Jul 19 19:42:24 <lardman> http://isbndb.com/ and similar for ISBN lookups
Jul 19 19:42:46 <lcuk_> http://www.upcdatabase.com/item/5410133831153
Jul 19 19:42:59 <rm_you> k i will poke at datamatrix a tad more
Jul 19 19:43:02 <lcuk_> just request that url with the code and it returns an info page
Jul 19 19:43:03 <rm_you> and then move to that
Jul 19 19:43:05 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 19 19:43:12 <rm_you> very simple
Jul 19 19:43:21 <lardman> anyway, there's lots of possibilities :)
Jul 19 19:43:28 <rm_you> yes
Jul 19 19:43:49 <lardman> nice to see that will cooperation an idea like this can get off the ground quickly :)
Jul 19 19:43:54 <lardman> s/will/with
Jul 19 19:43:57 <lcuk_> deffo :) lardman, glad you started this.. i know it felt a bit grrr that other platforms have simple things like this
Jul 19 19:44:03 <rm_you> Can I have C just run a python program and store the results? :P
Jul 19 19:44:14 <lardman> rm_you: cheating!
Jul 19 19:44:16 <rm_you> lol
Jul 19 19:44:19 <rm_you> *sigh* fine
Jul 19 19:44:23 <lardman> lol
Jul 19 19:44:27 <rm_you> will look up curl for C
Jul 19 19:44:40 <rm_you> I have used it before, so shouldnt be too bad
Jul 19 19:44:52 <lcuk_> just exec wget?
Jul 19 19:44:55 <rm_you> wish i knew of decent regexp for C strings
Jul 19 19:44:59 <rm_you> lcuk_: same amount of cheating :P
Jul 19 19:45:05 <lardman> can you chaps produce some binary builds as you go along, I'd like to keep up to date on my travels
Jul 19 19:45:07 <rm_you> lcuk_: may as well run my pthon :P
Jul 19 19:45:25 <rm_you> lardman: latest binaries always at http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/
Jul 19 19:45:30 <lcuk_> lardman, how will you keep upto date if you have no database to lookup with..
Jul 19 19:45:34 <lardman> cool, I'll note it down
Jul 19 19:45:35 <rm_you> lardman: it automatically builds them to there
Jul 19 19:46:17 <lardman> lcuk_: db? I'll have web access
Jul 19 19:46:28 <lcuk_> it would be nice to have barcode scanner store an image of the item along with an image of the barcode using the barcode number as reference
Jul 19 19:46:28 <lardman> I hope
Jul 19 19:46:47 <lcuk_> you get to date/time stamp stuff as you go along
Jul 19 19:47:03 <lcuk_> "hmmm, at 3.15 i was in the cheese isle, then spent 35 minutes in the wine isle"
Jul 19 19:47:05 <lardman> depends what you want to use it for
Jul 19 19:47:48 <lardman> right, time to go and finish packing, see you chaps in a week or so
Jul 19 19:47:58 <rm_you> wtf
Jul 19 19:47:59 <lardman> unless I can sneak online next week :)
Jul 19 19:48:05 <lcuk_> alright lardman :) where r u going?
Jul 19 19:48:10 <rm_you> you got rid of my datamatrix entry in makefule?
Jul 19 19:48:11 <lardman> Chicago, conference
Jul 19 19:48:12 <rm_you> >_>
Jul 19 19:48:18 <lcuk_> nice :) have fun then
Jul 19 19:48:21 <lardman> rm_you: wasn;'t me!
Jul 19 19:48:24 <rm_you> <_<
Jul 19 19:48:26 <lardman> bye chaps
Jul 19 19:48:35 <rm_you> it was nice and out of the way on purpose <_< sigh
Jul 19 19:48:46 <rm_you> whatev, will just check out an old revision of it
Jul 19 19:48:46 <lcuk_> rm_you, see jott, he keeps stomping on things :P
Jul 19 19:48:53 <rm_you> jott: pfft
Jul 19 19:49:00 <lcuk_> you wont includet he new file from lardman
Jul 19 19:49:03 <lcuk_> or jott
Jul 19 19:49:05 <lcuk_> rather
Jul 19 19:49:27 <rm_you> yeah i'll fix it
Jul 19 19:49:39 <lcuk_> how do you handle versioninig - is it all manual
Jul 19 19:49:52 <rm_you> ?
Jul 19 19:50:00 <rm_you> what do you mean?
Jul 19 19:50:01 <lcuk_> i mean for backlight - i notice in your build folder you have individual binary debs
Jul 19 19:50:13 <lcuk_> 0.14.1 etc
Jul 19 19:50:16 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 19 19:50:18 <rm_you> it is all manual
Jul 19 19:50:26 <rm_you> i just change the version in my changelog whenever i build
Jul 19 19:50:49 <lcuk_> can i see what version i have installed from within the binary itself - or is the version not compiled into the program
Jul 19 19:51:06 <rm_you> lcuk_: apt-cache policy advanced-backlight
Jul 19 19:51:14 <rm_you> it will tell you
Jul 19 19:51:33 <lcuk_> but what if the package name != the binary name, how would someone know
Jul 19 19:51:40 <rm_you> ...
Jul 19 19:51:53 <lcuk_> in windows im used to being able to get version info directly from the software binary itself
Jul 19 19:52:02 <rm_you> apt-cache policy `dpkg -S $(which binaryname)`
Jul 19 19:52:06 <lcuk_> its compiled in and available for displaying on about screens or titlebars etc
Jul 19 19:52:40 <rm_you> err
Jul 19 19:52:47 <rm_you> slightly more compicated as a oneliner but
Jul 19 19:52:54 <lcuk_> so if i was showing an about screen in liqbase ive gotta shell out and grab the version info
Jul 19 19:53:02 <rm_you> dpkg -S `which binary` tells you what package installed it
Jul 19 19:53:07 <rm_you> and then you do apt-cache policy
Jul 19 19:53:17 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 19 19:53:22 <rm_you> oneliner isnt too bad...
Jul 19 19:53:36 <lcuk_> ive kinda got a half solution but i dont like the way ive done it
Jul 19 19:54:04 <lcuk_> 20:53:27 Welcome to liqbase ver 0.1 build 80 date 20080718 003056
Jul 19 19:54:23 <rm_you> apt-cache policy `dpkg -S $(which ls) | awk -F: '{ print $1 }'` | awk '/Installed/ { print $2 }'
Jul 19 19:54:25 <lcuk_> ive had to fudge a load of stuff to do it
Jul 19 19:54:30 <rm_you> there
Jul 19 19:54:33 <rm_you> gives you the version
Jul 19 19:54:34 <lcuk_> well - i cant even do that, ive not even got a package
Jul 19 19:54:51 <rm_you> <3 awk
Jul 19 19:55:06 <rm_you> i stopped using sed and grep almost entirely in favor of awk, lol
Jul 19 19:56:10 <jott> hm i added some very trivial voting
Jul 19 19:56:23 <jott> seems to help a bit
Jul 19 19:58:03 <lcuk_> cool jott
Jul 19 19:59:27 <jott> grr i have to disable this red light when the camera is on :P
Jul 19 19:59:37 <lcuk_> why
Jul 19 19:59:37 <jott> it reflects on most surfaces
Jul 19 19:59:52 <lcuk_> thats good - i was using it last night because my main light was off
Jul 19 20:00:11 <jott> maybe turn it into green when something was found ;)
Jul 19 20:00:17 <lcuk_> YES
Jul 19 20:00:23 <lcuk_> 100% agree with that
Jul 19 20:00:28 <lcuk_> beep
Jul 19 20:00:41 <lcuk_> you would instantly know to pull away
Jul 19 20:00:54 <lcuk_> feedback is lacking at the moment - which was why i needed lines
Jul 19 20:02:10 <jott> ah for now it display the number it detected on a very big label ;)
Jul 19 20:02:27 <lcuk_> i saw but there was no indication that it was valid
Jul 19 20:02:32 <lcuk_> since it dances around randomly
Jul 19 20:16:00 <zfigz> anyone where to find maps for  mapper?
Jul 19 20:17:10 <zfigz> or hell how to just get maps into its...
Jul 19 20:17:26 <zfigz> i wish you could overlay google maps over it
Jul 19 20:18:14 <GAN800> zfigz, read the help? . . .
Jul 19 20:18:31 <GAN800> It tells you everything you need to know.
Jul 19 20:18:42 <zfigz> anyone know how to do that ?
Jul 19 20:19:14 <GAN800> Reaf Maemo Mapper's help.
Jul 19 20:19:23 <GAN800> s/Reaf/Read/
Jul 19 20:19:25 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Read Maemo Mapper's help.
Jul 19 20:19:54 <zfigz> cool thanks for the tip gan800
Jul 19 20:22:29 <zfigz> im trying to figure out how to get the gps to work
Jul 19 20:22:45 <zfigz> hmmm on by default i wouuld thinkk
Jul 19 20:35:32 <rm_you> jott / lcuk_ : can't get the latest maemo-barcode to output anything
Jul 19 20:35:41 <rm_you> did you guys actually commit the working code
Jul 19 20:35:41 <rm_you> ?
Jul 19 20:35:57 <lcuk_> i didnt commit anything
Jul 19 20:36:02 <lcuk_> im not even a member :P
Jul 19 20:36:17 <lcuk_> but i compiled and got numbers out of it
Jul 19 20:36:28 <lcuk_> your camera might not be focusing properly or something
Jul 19 20:39:17 <rm_you> :/
Jul 19 20:39:23 <rm_you> what do you set the slider to
Jul 19 20:39:26 <rm_you> for yours
Jul 19 20:39:36 <jott> rm_you: there is no slider in svn head :p
Jul 19 20:39:41 <rm_you> ...
Jul 19 20:39:44 <GeneralAntilles> Er, RST38h, X-Fade didn't copy anything. . . . :\
Jul 19 20:39:49 <rm_you> jott: i see one <_<
Jul 19 20:39:55 <jott> then you are not on head ;)
Jul 19 20:39:55 <GeneralAntilles> Get your facts straight before you denigrate people. ;)
Jul 19 20:39:59 <rm_you> it plays with the black and white image...
Jul 19 20:40:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, nevermind
Jul 19 20:40:11 <rm_you> [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~/maemo-barcode2] > svn up
Jul 19 20:40:11 <rm_you> At revision 33.
Jul 19 20:40:13 <GeneralAntilles> "just copied"
Jul 19 20:40:18 <jott> make? ;)
Jul 19 20:40:22 <GeneralAntilles> Again, the idea was to start fresh.
Jul 19 20:40:52 <Luria> a number of n8?0s here
Jul 19 20:41:11 <Luria> nice to see
Jul 19 20:41:35 <rm_you> jott: hrm odd
Jul 19 20:41:39 <rm_you> well anyway, awesomesauce
Jul 19 20:41:40 <Luria> so many eees... its like i've bought a mc
Jul 19 20:41:42 <Luria> mac
Jul 19 20:42:21 <rm_you> i will get it pulling book titles
Jul 19 20:42:24 <rm_you> and UPCs
Jul 19 20:42:29 <rm_you> hopefully within an hour
Jul 19 20:44:01 <jott> an online price check would be awesome ;)
Jul 19 20:44:18 <jott> ah and integration in shopping lists of course ;)
Jul 19 20:50:03 <lcuk_> damn
Jul 19 20:50:25 * lcuk_ hates falling out
Jul 19 20:51:41 <teamcobra> hi all.... I'm about to buy a non wimax n810, and I was wondering if by using usb host mode, I could hook up a usb wimax dongle at a later date if I need it... good or bad idea?
Jul 19 20:52:16 <jott> lcuk_: i added some code that turns on the led for 3s if a code is detected ;)
Jul 19 20:52:34 <GeneralAntilles> teamcobra, search for wimax usb on internettablettalk.com
Jul 19 20:52:38 <GeneralAntilles> It's been discussed a lot.
Jul 19 20:52:52 <lcuk_> better would be hooking with a bluetooth version, usb is fine but you cannot use it with the stand closed - going mobile is tough
Jul 19 20:53:03 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, what's the status on the guided submission form for people without canconfirm?
Jul 19 20:53:10 <teamcobra> ahh, so there are bluetooth wimax dongles?
Jul 19 20:53:20 <lcuk_> nice jott ill look later, watchin a movie now back later
Jul 19 20:53:23 <teamcobra> wow, I've been googling for an hour or so, couldn't find any
Jul 19 20:53:27 <jott> yeah
Jul 19 20:53:34 <teamcobra> and thanks antilles :)
Jul 19 20:53:38 <jott> so who integrates this in a shopping list now? ;)
Jul 19 20:53:43 <lcuk_> dont know, but wouyld assume once sorted it will be
Jul 19 20:53:51 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: "I took some notes" probably describes it best. ;)
Jul 19 20:54:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's been floating around since 2007.
Jul 19 20:54:04 <lcuk_> bye
Jul 19 20:54:11 <guenther> I plan to work on it soon.
Jul 19 20:54:15 <jott> have fun lcuk_
Jul 19 20:54:18 <GeneralAntilles> I'm really tired of people failing at using the current template. <_<
Jul 19 20:55:48 <jott> working quite nice now.. all ean13 i tested where recognized
Jul 19 20:55:54 <guenther> GeneralAntilles: I should get back to you re this topic the next days, for some discussion. :)
Jul 19 20:56:17 <GeneralAntilles> and, actually, I think the Guided form is mostly where it needs to be, it just needs to be turned on for the right group.
Jul 19 20:56:32 <GeneralAntilles> guenther, we need to have a pow wow about bugzilla sometime soon.
Jul 19 20:56:51 <guenther> I'd love to
Jul 19 20:57:17 <GeneralAntilles> The sprint might be a decent time to have everybody in the same palce
Jul 19 20:57:27 <GeneralAntilles> But if it runs over like it did last time. . . .
Jul 19 21:11:42 <GAN800> How's Phonelink these days? Last time I tried it it broke things.
Jul 19 21:18:24 <churl1> anyone familiar with the problem of gizmo5 users not getting sound on the n800?
Jul 19 21:19:33 <GAN800> churl1, NAT issue.
Jul 19 21:19:40 <churl1> ?
Jul 19 21:19:56 <churl1> :)
Jul 19 21:20:56 <sin18> is making kismet pkg for diablo simple about compiling kismet source in scratchbox ?
Jul 19 21:21:47 <RST38bis> no
Jul 19 21:38:50 <sin18> RST38bis : any suggestions how to go about it then ?
Jul 19 21:39:05 <RST38bis> yes.
Jul 19 21:39:25 <JamieBennett> RST38bis needs to be more verbose ;)
Jul 19 21:39:48 <RST38bis> you should start by hacking closed source nokia wifi driver to support monitor mode
Jul 19 21:40:01 <RST38bis> and/or promiscous mode
Jul 19 21:41:34 <RST38bis> if i remember correctly, n8x0 has a standard prism chip plugged into the system via i2c interface, with some extra firmware in the controller
Jul 19 21:43:35 <sin18> thanks for the info.
Jul 19 21:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> OK, "Upgrading tablet OS" is a terrible article name
Jul 19 21:50:27 <GeneralAntilles> Suggestions for a better name?
Jul 19 21:50:32 <GeneralAntilles> I was thinking "Flashing"
Jul 19 21:50:45 <GeneralAntilles> Or maybe "Flashing a tablet"
Jul 19 21:51:02 <JamieBennett> 'flashing firmware'?
Jul 19 21:52:09 <RST38bis> flashing is even worse
Jul 19 21:52:29 <JamieBennett> agreed but what is the 'general term' for flashing?
Jul 19 21:52:39 <RST38bis> Upgrading Your Tablet Firmware
Jul 19 21:52:52 <GeneralAntilles> Upgrading doesn't work anymore
Jul 19 21:52:53 * ||cw opens his trenchcoat to the tablet
Jul 19 21:52:55 <JamieBennett> Maybe your downgrading?
Jul 19 21:53:00 <GeneralAntilles> As upgrading implies things about SSU
Jul 19 21:53:12 <RST38bis> Updating then
Jul 19 21:53:21 <GeneralAntilles> No different
Jul 19 21:53:26 <GeneralAntilles> Let's see how Nokia describes it
Jul 19 21:53:54 <GeneralAntilles> I can't believe Nokia doesn't test their site with WebKit
Jul 19 21:54:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's completely broken
Jul 19 21:54:31 <JamieBennett> But to be fair who is using webkit? The more geeky minority?
Jul 19 21:54:40 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennett, only all S60 phones.
Jul 19 21:54:45 <GeneralAntilles> and almost all Mac users
Jul 19 21:54:50 <GeneralAntilles> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nokiausa.com%2FA4410064&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
Jul 19 21:54:51 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Jul 19 21:55:11 <JamieBennett> lets discount the mac users as troubled souls ;)
Jul 19 21:55:21 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennett, bite me. ;)
Jul 19 21:55:26 <RST38bis> nokia uses fl
Jul 19 21:55:27 <JamieBennett> :P
Jul 19 21:55:36 <RST38bis> azh for the website
Jul 19 21:55:43 <JamieBennett> GeneralAntilles: Only if your at the summit :D
Jul 19 21:55:47 <RST38bis> so its broken by design
Jul 19 21:56:48 <GeneralAntilles> "software update"
Jul 19 21:57:58 <JamieBennett> Just had a chat and sat with Jeremy Allison, uber cool and a really down to earth guy.
Jul 19 21:58:24 <RST38bis> who is Allison?
Jul 19 21:58:30 <Blafasel> I'm really looking forward to the sumit.. ;) Sounds awesome so far.
Jul 19 21:58:56 <JamieBennett> :D http://www.samba.org/~jra/
Jul 19 21:59:22 <JamieBennett> guy who now works for google and has worked on samba for more than 10 years
Jul 19 21:59:29 <Blafasel> JamieBennett: Chat as in "in person" or just chatting online?
Jul 19 21:59:36 <JamieBennett> in person
Jul 19 21:59:48 <Blafasel> Neat
Jul 19 22:00:06 <JamieBennett> sat as in sat next to
Jul 19 22:00:36 <Traveler01> ello all
Jul 19 22:01:01 <Blafasel> Really great. He's far up the the linux interoperability heroes list.
Jul 19 22:01:10 <GeneralAntilles> Flashing being the term used by the community and by the software
Jul 19 22:01:11 <RST38bis> oh, the samba guy
Jul 19 22:01:14 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say it's the way to go
Jul 19 22:01:19 <Blafasel> i.e. making the system useable ;)
Jul 19 22:01:37 <Name_Spam> ok fineally >.<
Jul 19 22:01:43 <RST38bis> ga: I would avoid term flashing in the title
Jul 19 22:01:51 <Blafasel> GA: Imo flashing is quite technical, so depending on the target audience I'd go for the other options.
Jul 19 22:01:56 <GeneralAntilles> Upgrading and updating don't work.
Jul 19 22:02:02 <RST38bis> ga: it is a special term
Jul 19 22:02:04 <JamieBennett> Also met some other really cool guys but Jeremy stood out, Rufus Pollack was very enthusiastic and Matthew Garrett  was as sarcastic as usual :D
Jul 19 22:02:27 <GeneralAntilles> Flash, flasher and flashing is used throughout the article.
Jul 19 22:02:32 <Blafasel> Installing/Changing the firmware software? (if you don't like updating)
Jul 19 22:02:38 <RST38bis> ga: updating is fine
Jul 19 22:02:38 <Name_Spam> hey guys any of you use the nokia n800 or n810?
Jul 19 22:02:50 <JamieBennett> flashing is an alien term to non-geeks (apart from the obvious 'flashing' ;))
Jul 19 22:02:54 <GeneralAntilles> But updating implies things about SSU.
Jul 19 22:02:56 <RST38bis> using flashing in the article is fine
Jul 19 22:03:13 <RST38bis> but not in the title
Jul 19 22:03:43 <RST38bis> updating firmware <> updating packages via ssu
Jul 19 22:03:45 <Blafasel> I agree. You can use flash(ing) in the article as much as you want. Introduce the term and go ahead.
Jul 19 22:04:12 <Blafasel> But using it in the title seems awkward, if you want to target the casual user as well.
Jul 19 22:04:42 <jott> something like "Installing new firmware"
Jul 19 22:04:52 <GeneralAntilles> We'll see what dneary thinks.
Jul 19 22:04:58 <GeneralAntilles> Since the current title is his. . . .
Jul 19 22:05:03 <JamieBennett> 'Updating Device'
Jul 19 22:05:43 <Name_Spam> hmmm
Jul 19 22:05:48 * Name_Spam sighs
Jul 19 22:05:56 <jott> flashing flashy flashes using the flasher :P
Jul 19 22:05:58 <Blafasel> jott: That's what I though. Installing or Changing the firmware (since you can really downgrade as well)
Jul 19 22:06:07 <Blafasel> jott: Let me flash you. ;)
Jul 19 22:06:27 <RST38bis> you can of course use "flUshing"...
Jul 19 22:06:29 <Blafasel> Nope, the term is bad.
Jul 19 22:06:45 <GeneralAntilles> Name_Spam, pretty much everybody in here uses one or both. . . .
Jul 19 22:06:46 <RST38bis> given the possible outcome...
Jul 19 22:07:18 <Name_Spam> i am contemplating getting a pda and i like both of them.. but, i'm having trouble decided on one or the other
Jul 19 22:07:22 <Name_Spam> or either really >.<
Jul 19 22:07:54 <Blafasel> Define your expectations.
Jul 19 22:08:15 <Name_Spam> i mostly need something to take notes
Jul 19 22:08:25 <Name_Spam> something to help me organize things
Jul 19 22:08:34 <Name_Spam> however i would also like something with a web browser
Jul 19 22:08:50 <Name_Spam> and if possible
Jul 19 22:08:55 <Name_Spam> things i can work on code with
Jul 19 22:09:03 <Name_Spam> i would like to get into programming
Jul 19 22:09:19 <GeneralAntilles> liqbase/Xournal/Maemopad+
Jul 19 22:09:22 <Name_Spam> so it would be nice to just sit down at a hotspot and check email without having to boot up my laptop
Jul 19 22:09:26 <GeneralAntilles> PyGTKEditor
Jul 19 22:09:36 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB
Jul 19 22:09:40 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it fits the bill.
Jul 19 22:09:47 <GeneralAntilles> N810 is cheap at CompUSA right now.
Jul 19 22:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> $280 if you use PayPal.
Jul 19 22:09:57 <Name_Spam> is it going to stay cheap or is it a temporary deal?
Jul 19 22:10:09 <GeneralAntilles> It might jump up a little
Jul 19 22:10:36 <Name_Spam> hm.
Jul 19 22:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> Usually they go down a lot, jump up a little, then go down again and bounce back and forth.
Jul 19 22:10:51 * JamieBennett is hoping the n900 is announced at the summit so I can jump the n810 (from my n800)
Jul 19 22:11:21 * Dekaritae is hoping it's a little closer in size and UI to the iPod Touch
Jul 19 22:11:22 <GeneralAntilles> I'll probably pick up an N810 once they go under $200
Jul 19 22:11:24 <GeneralAntilles> Just to have one.
Jul 19 22:11:29 <Name_Spam> the n800 is about 220 at best buy
Jul 19 22:11:30 <RST38bis> no such luck
Jul 19 22:11:36 <GeneralAntilles> 3.5"? gross.
Jul 19 22:11:42 <Name_Spam> so i am wondering if i should stick with it.
Jul 19 22:11:48 <JamieBennett> What was the processor you think is in the n900 GeneralAntilles?
Jul 19 22:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> There wouldn't be any point in owning one if the screen were any smaller.
Jul 19 22:11:56 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3430
Jul 19 22:12:11 <RST38bis> nah
Jul 19 22:12:26 <Blafasel> Name_Spam: Differnt opinions in here. Some like the N800 better, some te N810.
Jul 19 22:12:37 <RST38bis> nokia will start using it in s60 phones first
Jul 19 22:12:44 <JamieBennett> Talked to a couple of guys from the Beagle board project today. They use the omap35x and it's very impressive
Jul 19 22:12:56 <RST38bis> so, no cookis for now.
Jul 19 22:12:58 <Blafasel> Wtf do I fail to spell "Different"?..
Jul 19 22:13:00 <GeneralAntilles> Name_Spam, three questions: Do you need lots of storage? How do you feel about virtual keyboards? and will you use it outdoors a lot?
Jul 19 22:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennett, basically the same chip
Jul 19 22:13:18 <jott> Name_Spam: short: if you want an integrated keyboard and a better display (and internal gps) go for an n810, if you want to save some bucks and want more flash memory go for a n800
Jul 19 22:13:29 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP35xx is just targeted smaller batch sizes.
Jul 19 22:13:35 <Dekaritae> I went and bought a 32GB Touch. I can't find many reasons to keep the N800 now
Jul 19 22:14:02 <Dekaritae> I mean, I will keep it to play around with, but it won't be an EDC item now
Jul 19 22:14:09 <Name_Spam> i don't need a lot of storage but, its a bonus
Jul 19 22:14:29 <JamieBennett> GeneralAntilles: I don't know enough about the specifics but seeing a 1080i video (Big Buck Bunny) running on a board not much bigger than a square credit cards was pretty mind-blowing
Jul 19 22:14:34 <Name_Spam> virtual keyboards i am indifferent to. and i will not use it out doors a lot.. some possible
Jul 19 22:14:51 <GeneralAntilles> Dekaritae, sell it and move on.
Jul 19 22:14:53 <Blafasel> Name_Spam: See jott's definition as well.
Jul 19 22:15:05 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennet, yeah, that's pretty damn cool.
Jul 19 22:15:18 <Dekaritae> That is sadly what I probably will end up doing
Jul 19 22:15:38 <Name_Spam> hm. thx for the help guys
Jul 19 22:15:40 <RST38bis> deka: sell it before it depreciates further
Jul 19 22:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> Dekaritae, sell it before we have to hear a anymore about your iTouch.
Jul 19 22:16:26 <Name_Spam> wait.. the 800 doesn't have the gps? 0.o
Jul 19 22:16:28 <JamieBennett> GeneralAntilles: I'm trying to get my hands on a board to play with because they seem so damn cool, kind of a miniaturised mini-itx board :D
Jul 19 22:16:38 <GeneralAntilles> JamieBennett, so am I.
Jul 19 22:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> August, I hear.
Jul 19 22:16:42 <jott> Name_Spam: no, internal gps is n810 only
Jul 19 22:16:48 <Name_Spam> hm
Jul 19 22:16:48 <Blafasel> Name_Spam: If you want to see them compared you can find lots of reviews online. Or click on the internettablettalk.com site on the Nokia N810 Walkthrough link (to the right, quite at the top). You can see the N810, the n800 and the N770 in that video
Jul 19 22:16:52 <GeneralAntilles> Name_Spam, just attach a Bluetooth GPS.
Jul 19 22:16:53 <Name_Spam> misleading add at compus lol
Jul 19 22:16:55 <jott> Name_Spam: but you can connect any bluetooth gps
Jul 19 22:17:18 <Name_Spam> hm
Jul 19 22:17:25 <Name_Spam> one more question i suppose >.<
Jul 19 22:17:26 <JamieBennett> GeneralAntilles: watch this space ;)
Jul 19 22:17:31 <jott> Name_Spam: oh and the n810 is a bit smaller
Jul 19 22:17:36 <Name_Spam> how hard is it to use the keyboard on the n800?
Jul 19 22:17:42 <Name_Spam> i mean you can use your fingers?
Jul 19 22:17:47 <GeneralAntilles> Name_Spam, depends.
Jul 19 22:17:52 <Name_Spam> hm
Jul 19 22:17:54 <RST38bis> you can.
Jul 19 22:17:59 <GeneralAntilles> I use the finger keyboard and get about 40-60 wpm
Jul 19 22:18:03 <GeneralAntilles> I really like it.
Jul 19 22:18:06 <GeneralAntilles> Other people can't stand it
Jul 19 22:18:13 <GeneralAntilles> Find a local CompUSA and try it out.
Jul 19 22:18:28 <RST38bis> there are 3 input methods
Jul 19 22:18:30 <Name_Spam> i don't tink we have a local comp usa..
Jul 19 22:18:52 <RST38bis> styluus kbd, finger kbd, handwriting
Jul 19 22:19:11 <Name_Spam> hm
Jul 19 22:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe call Best Buy and see if they have any display units you could try.
Jul 19 22:19:39 <Name_Spam> good idea
Jul 19 22:19:46 <Name_Spam> if only i could get a discount for being a college student lol
Jul 19 22:20:50 <RST38bis> sleep.
Jul 19 22:21:57 <Name_Spam> alright thanks guys appreciate the help. hopefully in a paycheck or two i can get one or the other >.<
Jul 19 22:23:46 <JamieBennett> on a completely unrelated subject what are peoples thoughts on non-plain text on the mailing lists, especially maemo-developers?
Jul 19 22:24:27 <darken_cz> Hi, was anybody successfull with Xephyr and stylus control?
Jul 19 22:26:12 <JamieBennett> I would of thought potential open source developers would of realised html mail is a no-no?
Jul 19 22:31:51 <Blafasel> JamieBennett: I second that. Bah
Jul 19 22:32:21 <Blafasel> Unfortunately it's more and more common and hard to reject these days
Jul 19 22:32:27 <JamieBennett> I see alot of it, maemo-users you could understand, maemo-developers I would of though would 'get it'
Jul 19 22:32:45 <Blafasel> JamieBennett: In the end it's still just a matter of taste..
Jul 19 22:32:57 <JamieBennett> Its a matter of choice
Jul 19 22:33:11 <JamieBennett> we can all make the 'wrong decision' ;)
Jul 19 22:33:18 <asys3> can anyone help me in what's the intention of the Lightning talks at maemo summit?
Jul 19 22:33:35 <Blafasel> Although I agree with your preference, I fear that it's not that simple, no ;)
Jul 19 22:33:49 <asys3> meain: what should be presented - developer content or as well user content?
Jul 19 22:34:34 <JamieBennett> But it is, outlook, tools, preferences, mail options, message format, plain text (or something similar)?
Jul 19 22:35:43 <Blafasel> JamieBennett: Don't start with that one. I can share a sh!tload of problems with outlook and then there's stuff like gmail, the bat, pegasus, evolution, whatever..
Jul 19 22:36:07 <JamieBennett> indeed
Jul 19 22:43:05 <zfigz> hey
Jul 19 22:43:32 <zfigz> anyone know why my sound wouldnt be working on the n810
Jul 19 22:43:39 <zfigz> ?
Jul 19 22:44:31 <zfigz> its totally silent and ive  made sure the sound was on
Jul 19 22:44:35 <zfigz> really weird
Jul 19 22:46:07 <zfifz> whoops
Jul 19 22:46:25 <zfifz> anyone know why my sound might not be workiing?
Jul 19 22:48:22 <lcuk_afk> earwax?
Jul 19 22:56:26 <zfifz> nah
Jul 19 22:57:08 <zfifz> thanks guys for all your help
Jul 19 22:57:21 <zfifz> i really am liking this more than the iphone
Jul 19 22:59:36 <rm_you> grrrr
Jul 19 22:59:41 <rm_you> jott / lcuk_afk: bah
Jul 19 22:59:58 <rm_you> right as i said "ok, i'll code that up, hope to have UPC info pulling in an hour"
Jul 19 23:00:03 <jott> rm_you: oO
Jul 19 23:00:05 <rm_you> my power died to the entire apartment complex
Jul 19 23:00:11 <jott> oops
Jul 19 23:00:17 <rm_you> i sat around for a while hoping it would go back on
Jul 19 23:00:21 <rm_you> and now i drove to a friend's
Jul 19 23:00:22 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 19 23:00:31 <jott> why not use your n8x0 to code?! ;)
Jul 19 23:00:34 <rm_you> good thing my build box is in a different state :P
Jul 19 23:00:37 <rm_you> jott: no internet <_<
Jul 19 23:00:51 <rm_you> and all my code is on a different computer
Jul 19 23:01:01 <rm_you> so anyway, will start on it *now*
Jul 19 23:01:22 <rm_you> i was right about the line "#include <curl.h>"
Jul 19 23:01:28 * lcuk smiles at local code stash and gcc on device
Jul 19 23:01:37 <rm_you> :P
Jul 19 23:01:43 <rm_you> i may set that up now
Jul 19 23:02:08 <lcuk> it takes more to get things on device - theres no click once entire 8x0 SDK for it
Jul 19 23:04:40 <jott> lcuk: well for basic development you won't have to install much :)
Jul 19 23:04:45 <rm_you> hrm k well
Jul 19 23:04:49 <rm_you> i will work on barcode in a bit
Jul 19 23:04:56 <rm_you> doing stuff with friend :P
Jul 19 23:05:47 <lcuk> jott, its the libraries that are a killer and finding enough free space to put them on - it was fun finding space for the gstreamer stuff this barcode uses
Jul 19 23:06:08 <lcuk> though, it was quite nice and easy to uninstall skype
Jul 19 23:06:12 <jott> lcuk: mh i still have 620mb free ...
Jul 19 23:06:26 <jott> with gcc and gtk and qt4 dev packages installed :P
Jul 19 23:06:40 <lcuk> yer, im still on internal for a short while longer
Jul 19 23:06:46 <jott> uuuh..
Jul 19 23:06:58 <jott> that's... gross :O
Jul 19 23:10:14 <rm_you> ?? <_<
Jul 19 23:14:29 <churl1> yay!!  i heard voice while trying to make an internet call!  ive been at this for 3 days now, 411 heard my voice, but a call to a friend hung up after he said," hello?"  (but that's leaps and bounds of headway!)
Jul 19 23:14:52 <churl1> ok everyone, party at my house tonight!
Jul 19 23:17:15 <zap> What prefix to use in a package name to make it obvious that it's maemo-only? Using 'maemo' is explicitely prohibited in packaging policy.
Jul 19 23:21:01 <lcuk> maemo-mapper is official?
Jul 19 23:21:18 <zap> no
Jul 19 23:21:27 <jott> but probably old enough :)
Jul 19 23:21:31 <zap> but it was given a name before 7 May 2007
Jul 19 23:21:42 <zap> which is the official date from which it's prohibited :)
Jul 19 23:21:53 <lcuk> that would explain it
Jul 19 23:22:18 <zap> should we invent a trademark on our own?
Jul 19 23:22:26 <zap> and prohibit Nokia from using it?
Jul 19 23:22:31 <jott> it's funny that the packaging policy explicitly forbids maemo but does not propose an alternative :/
Jul 19 23:23:10 <lcuk> you cannot call yourself an offical product, but didnt many things call themselves "blah for windows"
Jul 19 23:23:26 <lcuk> ie, would "blah for maemo" work?
Jul 19 23:23:27 <zap> or WinBlah
Jul 19 23:23:51 <zap> well I'm doing a stripped version of bash to put into extras
Jul 19 23:24:01 <zap> I would like to call it bash-something rather than something-bash
Jul 19 23:24:12 <zap> because somebody looking for bash will look at 'b' first
Jul 19 23:24:19 <zap> in the list
Jul 19 23:24:31 <lcuk> bash_n800
Jul 19 23:24:39 <zap> nope, I have a n810
Jul 19 23:24:50 <lcuk> bash_n8x0
Jul 19 23:24:52 <zap> besides N800 could be a registered trademark as well
Jul 19 23:25:01 <zap> how about 770 owners?
Jul 19 23:25:05 <lcuk> n8x0 wont be
Jul 19 23:25:18 <zap> bash_org
Jul 19 23:25:20 <lcuk> cant officially run your softwar ecan they7
Jul 19 23:25:38 <zap> if I will compile it with 770 sdk - why not
Jul 19 23:25:53 <lcuk> compiling for it is not the same as what your targetting
Jul 19 23:25:59 <zap> console progs are easily portable between 8x0 and 770
Jul 19 23:26:12 <lcuk> if someone is goin to the trouble of compilin it they can repackage it as whatever they want
Jul 19 23:26:25 <zap> no, I don't like the idea to tie it to hardware
Jul 19 23:26:26 <jott> zap: why not just call it "bash" or "bash-static" etc like debian?
Jul 19 23:26:30 <zap> I would rather tie it to platform
Jul 19 23:26:30 <lcuk> then just call it bash
Jul 19 23:26:37 <lcuk> cos thats what it is
Jul 19 23:26:42 <zap> because there's already a 'bash' in sdk/tools
Jul 19 23:26:54 <zap> but it can't be installed on maemo because it wants to remove busybox :-D
Jul 19 23:26:54 <lcuk> which is the real thing
Jul 19 23:27:40 <lcuk> where are you getting it from then - is it the standard debian src
Jul 19 23:27:49 <zap> jott: yes that's what I was thinking about, bash-somthing
Jul 19 23:27:53 <jott> zap: just use a more recent bash ;)
Jul 19 23:28:14 <zap> why, I think 2.05 is fine enough, 3.x is has more unuseful bloat
Jul 19 23:28:35 <jott> 2.05.. whee that's OLD
Jul 19 23:29:08 <zap> can you specify the difference between bash 3.x and 2.x? :)
Jul 19 23:29:16 <jott> better bash completion ;)
Jul 19 23:29:42 <zap> I've stripped off completion anyways
Jul 19 23:29:52 <zap> only standard completion is there
Jul 19 23:29:55 <jott> uh why use bash at all?
Jul 19 23:30:10 <zap> because mc needs it
Jul 19 23:30:17 <zap> it works badly with default shell
Jul 19 23:32:33 <zap> bash-omeam?
Jul 19 23:33:01 <zap> bash-emo :)
Jul 19 23:33:04 <jott> mc also supports tcsh ;)
Jul 19 23:33:22 <zap> jott: I'll leave tcsh as a exercise for you :)
Jul 19 23:33:34 <jott> i would still follow debian naming schemes and push a 3.x version to extras ...
Jul 19 23:34:07 <zap> I don't see a reason to use 3.x
Jul 19 23:34:22 <zap> if you can point to even a small one...
Jul 19 23:34:31 <jott> bash completion....
Jul 19 23:34:40 <zap> thats all?
Jul 19 23:34:50 <jott> well probably bugs fixed and other stuff
Jul 19 23:35:00 <zap> :) vaporware
Jul 19 23:35:01 <jott> how much bigger is the footprint?
Jul 19 23:35:09 <zap> bugs fixed == bugs introduced, you know :)
Jul 19 23:35:17 <zap> about twice
Jul 19 23:35:26 <zap> bash 3.x is ~800k while 2.x is 400k
Jul 19 23:36:19 <jott> how about bash2 then?
Jul 19 23:36:26 <jott> as package name
Jul 19 23:36:32 <zap> um
Jul 19 23:36:48 <zap> that would be fine if you could install bash2 and bash3 at once
Jul 19 23:36:50 <jott> for those who want an vintage version they can choose this
Jul 19 23:36:52 <zap> but thats not the case
Jul 19 23:37:10 <jott> why not? just make the package proper to use update-alternatives or so
Jul 19 23:37:18 <zap> ugh
Jul 19 23:37:31 <zap> do you really think somebody on tablet will want two bashes?
Jul 19 23:37:51 <jott> who knows?
Jul 19 23:37:57 <zap> :))
Jul 19 23:37:58 <jott> testing/debugging what ever
Jul 19 23:39:33 <zap> ok, let it be bash
Jul 19 23:39:40 <jott> bash2
Jul 19 23:39:57 <jott> :P
Jul 19 23:40:06 <jott> or bash-vintage :P
Jul 19 23:40:41 <zap> it will be bash-2.05, and if somebody will port bash-3.x, it will just upgrade it
Jul 19 23:43:05 <zap> hmm, which is bad, suppose I want bash2 and don't want bash3
Jul 19 23:43:50 <jott> see
Jul 19 23:44:14 <jott> just make bash2 either with alternative methods or with provides: bash ..
Jul 19 23:44:41 <zap> ok
Jul 20 01:01:32 <rm_you> bbl
Jul 20 01:28:29 <zfigz> hey
Jul 20 01:28:47 <zfigz> does the n180's sound turn off when you close it ?
Jul 20 01:29:30 <zfigz> because idont get soound when its closed
Jul 20 01:29:34 <zfigz> really annoying
Jul 20 01:30:46 <zfigz> anyone?
Jul 20 01:33:15 <rm_you> it may automatically mute
Jul 20 01:33:31 <rm_you> sorry, no insight as to why :/
Jul 20 01:34:38 <zfigz> thats annoying
Jul 20 01:34:54 <zfigz> what about it ringing in my pocket?
Jul 20 01:37:40 <jott> zfigz: is the volume really muted?
Jul 20 01:37:52 <zfigz> yeah
Jul 20 01:37:56 <zfigz> when its closed
Jul 20 01:38:01 <zfigz> really annoying
Jul 20 01:38:10 <zfigz> when its open it works fine
Jul 20 01:38:30 <jott> can you ssh into it?
Jul 20 01:39:55 <jott> ... if so look at what " gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/sound/master_volume  " returns
Jul 20 01:41:12 <jott> rm_you: so you have power again? ;)
Jul 20 01:41:20 <rm_you> no
Jul 20 01:41:23 <rm_you> still at friends house
Jul 20 01:41:57 <rm_you> was going to go see batman with someone but he is an idiot, so instead i just laughed at him and am going to sit and code UPC lookup :P
Jul 20 01:42:14 <zfigz> im out downtown but yeah i need to look into it
Jul 20 01:42:22 <jott> rm_you: :p.. with the cvs database?
Jul 20 01:42:23 <zfigz> new batman is  awesome
Jul 20 01:42:38 <rm_you> jott: cvs database?
Jul 20 01:42:53 <rm_you> thought about using the database here: http://www.globalproductlist.com/
Jul 20 01:42:55 <rm_you> 12mb, local
Jul 20 01:42:58 <rm_you> mysql dump
Jul 20 01:43:02 <rm_you> could convert to sqlite
Jul 20 01:43:08 <rm_you> but meh
Jul 20 01:43:26 <rm_you> would be neat as an option, since you prolly wouldnt have internet at the store :P
Jul 20 01:44:03 <rm_you> http://www.globalproductlist.com/upc.sql.gz
Jul 20 01:44:06 <jott> oh there is also http://www.upcdatabase.com/ ..
Jul 20 01:44:07 <rm_you> thoughts?
Jul 20 01:44:10 <rm_you> right
Jul 20 01:44:13 <rm_you> this is built from that
Jul 20 01:44:18 <jott> ah
Jul 20 01:45:06 <rm_you> so thoughts?
Jul 20 01:45:14 <jott> about what?
Jul 20 01:45:16 <rm_you> should i begin work on parsing from the local database?
Jul 20 01:45:26 <rm_you> or assume a connection and start on internet lookup parsing
Jul 20 01:45:46 <jott> i guess offline mode is better
Jul 20 01:45:50 <rm_you> probably
Jul 20 01:45:55 <rm_you> ok, will start on that
Jul 20 01:47:15 <terbo> howdy
Jul 20 01:56:13 <jott> ~lart warner bros for releasing dark knight sooooooooooo late in germany
Jul 20 01:56:13 * infobot teaches warner bros that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. for releasing dark knight sooooooooooo late in germany
Jul 20 01:56:39 <rm_you> gah gotta build my own libsqlite3-0
Jul 20 01:57:00 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 20 01:57:09 * rm_you pouts for like 3 seconds
Jul 20 01:57:24 <jott> why?
Jul 20 01:58:23 <rm_you> cause it took all of 3 seconds to build :P
Jul 20 01:58:35 <johnx> rm_you, it's in maemo.org repository
Jul 20 01:58:39 <johnx> with the -dev package
Jul 20 01:59:00 <johnx> rm_you, always check gronmayer.com/it before assuming something doesn't exist :P
Jul 20 01:59:13 <rm_you> err
Jul 20 01:59:19 <rm_you> apt-cache policy says no :p
Jul 20 01:59:40 <jott> hm dark knight made it to #1 of imdb top 250 :O
Jul 20 01:59:41 <lcuk> i use it
Jul 20 01:59:41 <rm_you> oh
Jul 20 01:59:43 <rm_you> i see
Jul 20 01:59:47 <rm_you> it is just the wrong version
Jul 20 01:59:49 <rm_you> >_<
Jul 20 02:00:12 <rm_you> sqlite3: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.2) but 3.4.1-1osso3 is to be installed
Jul 20 02:00:12 <rm_you> E: Broken packages
Jul 20 02:00:30 <johnx> special
Jul 20 02:00:48 <johnx> apt-cache policy libsqlite3-0
Jul 20 02:00:52 <rm_you> yeah
Jul 20 02:00:55 <rm_you> it is too low
Jul 20 02:01:03 <rm_you> gotta build a higher version myself
Jul 20 02:01:25 <rm_you> or build a lower version of sqlite3
Jul 20 02:01:45 <johnx> what about seeing if there is a matching version for one of those?
Jul 20 02:01:51 <terbo> hmm page up doesnt work ..
Jul 20 02:03:08 <terbo> anyone have a tomtom?
Jul 20 02:03:19 <rm_you> johnx: possibly
Jul 20 02:03:27 * lcuk jokes wiv the missus he has a tracytracy
Jul 20 02:03:38 <rm_you> lol
Jul 20 02:03:51 <lcuk> she holds the 810(or paper map) and guides us
Jul 20 02:12:35 <rm_you> wtf can't build sqlite3 itself >_> confused
Jul 20 02:12:45 <rm_you> it will build the libs but not the main app
Jul 20 02:13:50 <rm_you> whatever sqlite (1) is in there correctly, will use that
Jul 20 02:13:58 <lcuk> nn
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