**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 23 02:59:56 2008
Jul 23 03:24:46 <hfwilke> is there an app that would let me do a remote desktop to my n800?
Jul 23 03:24:55 <hfwilke> from a linux machine
Jul 23 03:26:08 <pupnik> hfwilke: would your n800 be nearby?
Jul 23 03:26:29 <pupnik> if so, you can install synergy or quicksynergy and control your tablet with computer mouse/keyboard
Jul 23 03:27:34 <hfwilke> n800 is in another room hooked to the stereo
Jul 23 03:27:49 <hfwilke> I want to control the internet radio stream from my desktop
Jul 23 03:27:58 <hfwilke> really just start and stop
Jul 23 03:28:07 <hfwilke> I am running slimserver on my desktop
Jul 23 03:28:07 <derf> Just ssh in and use mplayer or something.
Jul 23 03:28:58 <hfwilke> I guess that woud work
Jul 23 03:29:13 <hfwilke> I assume I can control mplayer from li then
Jul 23 03:29:45 <derf> Where "li" means "the command line", yes.
Jul 23 03:30:17 <hfwilke> li = cli
Jul 23 03:30:18 <hfwilke> oops
Jul 23 03:30:21 <hfwilke> I can't type
Jul 23 03:30:35 <derf> I'm sure mplayer has a GUI interface.
Jul 23 03:30:37 <derf> I've never used it.
Jul 23 03:32:46 <bef0rd> you are probably better using mpd
Jul 23 03:33:30 <hfwilke> I was hoping to stick with slimserver
Jul 23 03:33:48 <hfwilke> I am happy with how it generates playlists from my large collection
Jul 23 03:34:06 <hfwilke> don't know anything about mpd
Jul 23 03:35:07 <bef0rd> what are you using to play the music on the n800?
Jul 23 03:35:22 <hfwilke> just the internet radio applet
Jul 23 03:35:29 <hfwilke> it's an mp3 stream
Jul 23 03:39:42 <bef0rd> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/What_MPD_Is_and_Is_Not
Jul 23 03:40:13 <hfwilke> reading...
Jul 23 03:40:32 <bef0rd> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd
Jul 23 03:40:44 <bef0rd> you could install mpd on the n800
Jul 23 03:41:03 <bef0rd> and control it remotely with a TCP client I believe
Jul 23 03:41:34 <hfwilke> my music is all on my desktop
Jul 23 03:41:46 <hfwilke> sd cards are not big enough to put my music on the n800
Jul 23 03:42:48 <hfwilke> I can control slimserver from any computer in the network, including the n800, but there is a 30 secind lag b/c the n800 has buffered that much
Jul 23 03:43:09 <hfwilke> I wanted to control the n800 so I could do a quick start/stop if I wanted to
Jul 23 03:45:12 <hfwilke> ok..mplayer works from command line
Jul 23 03:45:48 <hfwilke> not pretty...but working
Jul 23 03:48:15 <hfwilke> thanks derf and bef0rd, I'll just have to keep playing
Jul 23 04:12:30 <texel> Jaffa: ping?
Jul 23 05:04:30 <acydlord> so, final verdict on my N810, Nokia gave me an RMA ticket
Jul 23 05:16:31 <texel> Whoa.
Jul 23 05:16:35 <texel> I managed to get kanatest to build!
Jul 23 05:16:40 <texel> Now, to hildonize! =o)
Jul 23 05:40:36 <GeneralAntilles> Fuck
Jul 23 05:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> The Dark Knight was unreal
Jul 23 05:43:51 <acydlord> ofcourse, it's a movie :p
Jul 23 05:43:58 <acydlord> i've heard it was awesome though
Jul 23 05:44:09 <acydlord> I want to see it but i'm not lifting my MPAA boycott
Jul 23 05:46:41 <GeneralAntilles> It's one of the best movies I've ever seen.
Jul 23 05:46:45 <GeneralAntilles> Fantastically dark stuff.
Jul 23 05:47:14 <GeneralAntilles> Ledger's Joker is about as perfect as it could get.
Jul 23 06:23:49 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Jul 23 06:27:19 <acydlord> ahoy!
Jul 23 06:30:43 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > are u here ?
Jul 23 06:30:49 <Khertan_n810> hi acydlore
Jul 23 06:33:34 <Khertan_n810> i ve uploaded a source package to extrasdevel bulder
Jul 23 06:34:22 <Khertan_n810> package s built for target i86 but not for armel is there something specifics to do ?
Jul 23 06:34:25 <Khertan_n810> for target 'maemo-diablo-i386-extras-devel'
Jul 23 06:37:21 <Khertan_n810> everyone is sleeping ? :)
Jul 23 06:37:48 <Dekaritae> No
Jul 23 06:38:11 <XTLi> Yes
Jul 23 06:39:21 <Knirch> maybe
Jul 23 06:39:59 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 06:40:06 <Khertan_n810> 42
Jul 23 06:40:15 <Dekaritae> Multi-touch!
Jul 23 06:40:49 <Dekaritae> Writing a little Vancouver transit map viewer in Ruby
Jul 23 06:42:07 <Khertan_n810> i m writing a package source making application to be able to buid deb on board and send them to extras builder
Jul 23 06:42:21 <Khertan_n810> without the need of dpkg-buildpackage :)
Jul 23 06:42:43 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 06:52:57 <Khertan_n810> Huhu !!!! i ve successfully do it ! packages source created and uploaded from my nit
Jul 23 06:56:12 <Khertan_n810> does the list of section for extras repository is finalized ?
Jul 23 06:56:42 <GAN800> No
Jul 23 06:56:58 <GAN800> We need to get a wiki task up to discuss that.
Jul 23 06:57:02 <Khertan_n810> hum ... bad
Jul 23 06:57:42 <GAN800> feel free to help out. ;)
Jul 23 06:58:46 <Khertan_n810> i ll do :)
Jul 23 06:59:03 <Khertan_n810> i vote for debian one !
Jul 23 06:59:04 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 06:59:19 <GAN800> X-Fade will love you for it. ;)
Jul 23 06:59:55 <Khertan_n810> other question, why when source package specify arch=all
Jul 23 07:00:04 <Khertan_n810> target is only x86 ?
Jul 23 07:00:14 <Khertan_n810> and not x86 and armel ?
Jul 23 07:01:58 <Khertan_n810> gan800> i ve enought borring x-fade with my non standart packages :)
Jul 23 07:03:01 <GAN800> there's never enough boring X-ade. :D
Jul 23 07:03:16 <GAN800> s/ade/Fade/
Jul 23 07:03:16 <infobot> GAN800 meant: there's never enough boring X-Fade. :D
Jul 23 07:04:21 <pupnik> Khertan_n810: will you make a web page for your package builder?
Jul 23 07:05:20 <Khertan_n810> pupnik ? a webpages ?
Jul 23 07:05:34 <GAN800> wiki page! wiki page!
Jul 23 07:05:56 <Khertan_n810> i ll made a page on my site and in maemo wiki
Jul 23 07:06:39 <Khertan_n810> pupnik > but i ll finaliz it before
Jul 23 07:07:02 <Khertan_n810> preview version is in extras-devel repository
Jul 23 07:07:07 <pupnik> cool
Jul 23 07:07:50 <Khertan_n810> py2deb
Jul 23 07:08:05 <Khertan_n810> python2.5-py2deb
Jul 23 07:08:14 <Khertan_n810> it s a python module
Jul 23 07:09:13 <Khertan_n810> and if you execute py2deb.py, it create his own source package with signed .changes and .dsc
Jul 23 07:09:41 <Khertan_n810> so you can use extras assistant to upload it to extra builder
Jul 23 07:10:43 <Khertan_n810> connection could drop i m in the train
Jul 23 07:10:45 <pupnik> ty
Jul 23 07:10:52 <Khertan_n810> ty ?
Jul 23 07:16:26 <GAN800> trickie, I'm pondering on a website for Community Kernels, any ideas/requests?
Jul 23 07:16:51 <trickie> GAN800: good morning
Jul 23 07:17:00 <trickie> yes i had a few ideas
Jul 23 07:17:13 <GAN800> Goos morning to you. :)
Jul 23 07:17:19 <GAN800> Good
Jul 23 07:17:22 <trickie> i have some patches that add kprobes for ARM in 2.6.21
Jul 23 07:17:40 <trickie> mainly for trying out systemtap
Jul 23 07:17:59 <trickie> but it is a bit of a mission to actually get to the point where you can run systemtap scripts
Jul 23 07:18:33 <trickie> so i was thinking of some tutorials etc for people trying out *special* kernel features
Jul 23 07:18:56 <trickie> and maybe some info on benchmarking certain additions abd config options
Jul 23 07:19:35 <trickie> i haven't looked at garage too closely... so i don't know if that kind of thing will be easy to integrate
Jul 23 07:19:40 <trickie> kind of wiki pacgaes i guess
Jul 23 07:19:44 <trickie> pages
Jul 23 07:19:54 <GAN800> Maybe better to stick that stuff on the wiki;
Jul 23 07:20:19 <trickie> yes i guess so
Jul 23 07:20:48 <trickie> im without internet ATM, except here at work... so im kind of stuck for a chance to do much right now
Jul 23 07:20:57 <trickie> but im hoping it comes on this week
Jul 23 07:21:09 <GAN800> Sucky
Jul 23 07:21:43 <trickie> i guess one of the first things is to start collecting patches and making sure we don't miss anything
Jul 23 07:22:32 <trickie> i think even before we know how to build them for extras-devel we should be keeping them in at least the svn at garage
Jul 23 07:25:40 <trickie> i was also thinking that maybe getting most patches into a quilt set will make it easier to maintain and build a kernel with all or only some patches
Jul 23 07:30:35 <trickie> GAN800: anyway... back to boring work :)
Jul 23 07:30:55 <trickie> GAN800: ill be *online* again soon i hope
Jul 23 07:31:18 <GAN800> Hehe, we need somebody with some free time to help push this.
Jul 23 07:33:53 <trickie> GAN800: well i intend to, i have been playing with building different kernels (+patches) in mamona, so i have some ideas from doing that also
Jul 23 07:59:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 23 08:03:56 <atul> I am trying to open "http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png", this url in my application but it says Host not found ?
Jul 23 08:05:11 <XTLi> Can the app resolve some other address
Jul 23 08:06:31 <oilinki> did this went to a correct place or should I open an new thread ? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=206120#post206120
Jul 23 08:13:48 <zap> Anybody uses netcat here? For some reason it does not do any tcp connections here. Just silently quits.
Jul 23 08:16:29 <XTLi> Strace it?
Jul 23 08:16:38 <zap> I did
Jul 23 08:16:52 <zap> something very strange happens :-) it reads /etc/services and then instantly quits
Jul 23 08:17:10 <XTLi> Funny
Jul 23 08:17:14 <zap> oh well, it's an ancient version anyway. I'll update it to the latest-and-greatest when I'll have a little time
Jul 23 08:17:35 <XTLi> Can you start it in gdb then and break nearby and look closer? :)
Jul 23 08:17:46 <zap> I don't have any debugging tool on n810
Jul 23 08:18:01 <XTLi> Upgrading can heal old sw, yes
Jul 23 08:18:06 <zap> :)
Jul 23 08:18:26 <zap> especially when you upgrade from version 0.7.1 to 1.84
Jul 23 08:18:42 <XTLi> Haven't tried netcat or any debugger on a nit so far myself :)
Jul 23 08:19:04 <zap> I prefer scratchbox in qemu :)
Jul 23 08:19:13 <XTLi> I probably did in scratchbox but that was a broken scratchbox
Jul 23 08:19:32 <XTLi> Upgrading helped :D
Jul 23 08:24:35 <spcui> Hi all
Jul 23 08:25:48 <texel> GAN800: any idea if there's an effort to create a proper firewall for maemo kernels using iptables?
Jul 23 08:26:17 <texel> GAN800: I've tried my hand at building my own stuff using ip_conntrack but unfortunately that requires the ip_conntrack modules (of course) which aren't in the standard installs.
Jul 23 08:26:47 <zap> texel: so far haven't heard of this
Jul 23 08:26:52 <texel> Hm.
Jul 23 08:27:08 <zap> do you have in mind some gui tool to set up iptables?
Jul 23 08:27:42 <texel> Kinda.
Jul 23 08:27:46 <zap> or just plain port of iptables / some startup script?
Jul 23 08:28:01 <texel> I was thinking that initially just build a package containing the proper ip_conntrack modules first.
Jul 23 08:28:10 <texel> Then build a proper gui to maintain the rules.
Jul 23 08:28:14 <zap> indeed, that's the basic requirement :)
Jul 23 08:28:14 <texel> Something along the lines of ufw.
Jul 23 08:28:34 <zap> why you'd need a firewall on the tablet btw? :)
Jul 23 08:28:36 <texel> With all of the usage of SSH and other services on the NITs...
Jul 23 08:29:01 <texel> ...it seems like something we'd really want to setup. Especially with all the roaming networks these devices connect to.
Jul 23 08:29:08 <zap> :)
Jul 23 08:29:20 <texel> zap: it's safer to have a firewall enabled in a device as mobile as the NITs.
Jul 23 08:29:22 <zap> maybe it's a bit paranoia, but many will want it, indeed
Jul 23 08:29:30 <texel> Regardless of whether or not you have any services running.
Jul 23 08:29:38 <spcui> Anyboby know how to use GConf on N810?
Jul 23 08:30:01 <texel> Because some kernel exploits have been uncovered that are in the deeper levels of the kernel. =op
Jul 23 08:30:14 <texel> And just receiving a packet is enough to cause problems.
Jul 23 08:30:18 <texel> Ie: land attacks.
Jul 23 08:30:33 <wnd> spcui, you may want to more specific than that
Jul 23 08:30:38 <zap> "Flashable linux kernel for SU-18 hardware" <- omg, what's SU-18?
Jul 23 08:30:51 <texel> Having an iptables rule to drop any packets that don't relate to any outbound connections is much safer.
Jul 23 08:30:52 <timely> zap: 770
Jul 23 08:30:53 <melmoth> spcui: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/10/gconftool-2-gconf-editor-from-the-shell/
Jul 23 08:31:01 <zap> timeless: ah
Jul 23 08:31:09 <zap> oops sorry, wrong dst ip :)
Jul 23 08:31:20 <spcui> thanks, let me see it
Jul 23 08:32:01 <timely> texel: yes. don't let people ssh to their tablets :)
Jul 23 08:32:08 <timely> and don't let them run web servers on their tablets
Jul 23 08:32:58 <texel> timely: No, that's not what I meant.
Jul 23 08:33:08 <XTLi> Su-18 sounds like a russian military plane of some sort
Jul 23 08:33:30 * zap would love a kernel-dev package
Jul 23 08:33:44 <texel> timely: I meant that it gives them more control over who /can/ access their tablets.
Jul 23 08:33:48 <texel> Right now it's all or nothing.
Jul 23 08:33:53 <texel> Which is very dangerous.
Jul 23 08:34:22 <spcui> aa
Jul 23 08:34:32 <texel> TBH, with the ssh vulnerabilities that have happened in the past, it's dangerous to just allow anyone to access that port.
Jul 23 08:34:58 <texel> In my specific situation, I'd be happy allowing only my local subnet access to the ssh port on my tablet.
Jul 23 08:35:11 <texel> In that case, I can still roam with the device.
Jul 23 08:35:29 <texel> Without manually turning on and off the ssh service.
Jul 23 08:35:44 <texel> And ssh remains secured (for the most part).
Jul 23 08:36:33 <texel> Anybody who doesn't want that functionality doesn't have to install the package, obviously. =op
Jul 23 08:37:05 <zap> :)
Jul 23 08:37:21 <texel> But having it there is a better option than not having it at all.
Jul 23 08:37:24 <zap> I wonder how you'll package the source code for the drivers
Jul 23 08:37:25 <texel> After all
Jul 23 08:37:37 <zap> or maybe its enough to upload just the binaries...
Jul 23 08:37:44 <texel> A unix machine is only as secure as the administrator allows it to be.
Jul 23 08:37:50 <XTLi> Very well. Make it so.
Jul 23 08:38:03 <texel> zap: I'm not sure how, but I'll figure it out. =o)
Jul 23 08:38:13 <zap> its your first tablet project?
Jul 23 08:38:15 <texel> Nope.
Jul 23 08:38:17 <timely> texel: fwiw, the interesting version of ssh was never released to our devices
Jul 23 08:38:22 <texel> timely: true.
Jul 23 08:38:24 <zap> fine then :)
Jul 23 08:38:25 <timely> (it was scheduled, but ...)
Jul 23 08:38:36 <texel> timely: but ssh in the past has had other vulnerabilities that are concerning.
Jul 23 08:38:44 <texel> This protects against future attacks.
Jul 23 08:38:54 <texel> Regardless of /where/ the vulnurability lives.
Jul 23 08:39:00 <texel> Be it in SSH, or the kernel itself.
Jul 23 08:39:31 <zap> or in the admin's curved hands
Jul 23 08:39:38 <texel> Eh.
Jul 23 08:39:45 <texel> I'm not wanting to protect the user from himself. =o)
Jul 23 08:39:54 <texel> I want to protect the user from automated crackbots on random lans.
Jul 23 08:40:12 <zap> I'm usually setting up iptables to allow 3 connects to port 22 in 1 minute
Jul 23 08:40:14 <texel> zap: I was thinking about pulling out the individual code from the kernel tree and building it like an external, non-in-tree module would.
Jul 23 08:40:16 <zap> then it bans for 5 minutes
Jul 23 08:40:27 <zap> this protects the user from weak and dictionary passwords :)
Jul 23 08:40:32 * texel nods
Jul 23 08:40:33 <texel> Right.
Jul 23 08:40:48 <timely> allowPass No
Jul 23 08:40:52 <texel> Really, the base modules for iptables is there.
Jul 23 08:41:00 <texel> It's ip_conntrack I'm interested in.
Jul 23 08:41:22 <XTLi> Fail2ban is also nice
Jul 23 08:41:29 <zap> ipt_recent,ipt_REJECT,xt_tcpudp,xt_state,xt_owner,xt_multiport,xt_mark,xt_MARK,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,ip_tables
Jul 23 08:41:33 <texel> timely: what if there's a vulnerability in the SSH protocol itself? Say in the key-exchange phase?
Jul 23 08:41:36 <zap> that's whats used on my modest home fw
Jul 23 08:42:07 <texel> zap: mine's a little more strict, but then I'm on a static IP, so I'm in a bit more dangerous situation, methinks. =op
Jul 23 08:42:10 <timely> texel: you're i trouble :)
Jul 23 08:42:18 <texel> timely: exactly. =o)
Jul 23 08:42:22 <zap> I'm on a static ip as well :)
Jul 23 08:42:25 <texel> Heh
Jul 23 08:42:27 <timely> but seriously. i'm opposed to password ssh
Jul 23 08:42:29 <timely> it's stupid
Jul 23 08:42:41 <timely> it's true that you can seriously **** key based ssh
Jul 23 08:42:43 <zap> but I'm behind an asus linux router though :) so my firewall mostly idles
Jul 23 08:42:48 <timely> and congrats to those people who managed to do it
Jul 23 08:42:50 <texel> Heh
Jul 23 08:42:58 <timely> but it's still much better not to use password auth
Jul 23 08:43:04 <texel> True.
Jul 23 08:43:15 <texel> But the best solution is to only allow ssh from trusted hosts in the first place. =o)
Jul 23 08:43:23 <zap> password is needed when you're in some place where you don't have your ssh prv key with you
Jul 23 08:43:27 <texel> (which is what I do on my personal home network)
Jul 23 08:43:47 <timely> for people curious, they were nominated for an award: http://pwnie-awards.org/2008/awards.html#mass0wnage
Jul 23 08:43:52 <texel> Heh
Jul 23 08:43:54 <texel> Awesome. =o)
Jul 23 08:43:59 <zap> trusted hosts is good if you're moving between several hosts
Jul 23 08:44:06 <XTLi> I think auth should generally be done by agents all around
Jul 23 08:44:07 <zap> but you never know where you'll be tomorrow
Jul 23 08:44:26 <timely> zap: what, you don't have your key on a password protected usb keychain?
Jul 23 08:44:47 <timely> or better, on your password protected microsd card embedded in your nokia phone :)
Jul 23 08:44:53 * timely plugs the e61i
Jul 23 08:44:56 <texel> Heh
Jul 23 08:44:59 <texel> I wouldn't trust a phone for that.
Jul 23 08:45:08 <texel> Especially one that doesn't have strong network security, either. =o)
Jul 23 08:45:13 <texel> Offline storage for me, thanks. =o)
Jul 23 08:45:19 <XTLi> One-time passwords, securid type thing etc are also there
Jul 23 08:45:54 <XTLi> Auth is still challenge-based  but the tools are offline
Jul 23 08:45:55 <texel> zap: heh -- true. But then, that depends on the trusted host. =o)
Jul 23 08:46:15 <texel> XTLi: too expensive, though.
Jul 23 08:46:19 <XTLi> The problem with authenticating naked people remains
Jul 23 08:47:06 <texel> Anywho.
Jul 23 08:47:12 <texel> I was just curious if there was already an effort in progress.
Jul 23 08:47:16 <texel> No need to duplicate efforts. =o)
Jul 23 08:48:08 <XTLi> Unless you can do better and faster
Jul 23 08:48:11 <timely> > Apologies for the first reply-to-all - I see how easy that is to do! ;)
Jul 23 08:48:12 * timely grins
Jul 23 08:48:38 * timely sighs
Jul 23 08:48:50 <timely> i'm on a list that has something like 20 documents that i may or may need to print
Jul 23 08:48:56 <timely> as requirements for entering a country
Jul 23 08:49:05 <XTLi> Iptables stuff, maybe even a control panel might be neat to have available
Jul 23 08:49:20 <XTLi> Haven't seen any previous effort
Jul 23 08:50:29 <Khertan> Hi !
Jul 23 08:50:44 * Khertan is Happy !
Jul 23 08:51:08 * Khertan can now send dpkg-buildpackage compliant source package to extras builder !
Jul 23 08:54:36 <texel> XTLi: hm. Okay. Well, I'll see about hacking something together, then. =o)
Jul 23 09:16:04 <Khertan> huhu ... with my new python packager tool i can make package on windows too ...
Jul 23 09:16:05 <Khertan> ;
Jul 23 09:16:09 <Khertan> ;)
Jul 23 09:16:19 <Khertan> hum ... but sign don't work
Jul 23 09:16:29 <XTLi> Some vpns might be nice too. Those I think there's at least one
Jul 23 09:17:07 <Jaffa> Khertan: told you it was possible ;-)
Jul 23 09:17:14 <XTLi> Uniting firewall, vpn, maybe filter proxy or even tor...
Jul 23 09:17:31 <Jaffa> Khertan: are there any signing libraries you can use to avoid a dep on gpg? Although, I suppose gpg's ported to practically everything anyway
Jul 23 09:18:00 <XTLi> Other systems might appreciate a general mobile friendly controller
Jul 23 09:18:08 <XTLi> Too
Jul 23 09:18:14 <Khertan> yes ...  but making debian package source on windows isn't my priority
Jul 23 09:18:15 <blafasel> Regarding the ssh topic: One time passwords are a nice approach for that.
Jul 23 09:18:15 <Khertan> :)
Jul 23 09:18:27 <blafasel> Combined with a generator on your phone/mobile
Jul 23 09:19:15 <Khertan> Blafasel > one time password ... burk !
Jul 23 09:22:14 <Blafasel> Khertan: I like it, I carry my key only on "trusted" devices. For quick-let-me-connect-from-somewhere I resort to generated passwords.
Jul 23 09:22:56 <Khertan> Blafasel > arf ... i only use trusted device :)
Jul 23 09:23:38 <Blafasel> Khertan: That's probably even better. ;) Doesn't work for me though
Jul 23 09:26:03 <Khertan> but i m not only on trusted network ...
Jul 23 09:26:18 <Khertan> i mainly use my n810 for everythings :)
Jul 23 09:30:37 <Veggen> hmm. n810 is almost the perfect travel device.
Jul 23 09:35:14 <Khertan> Veggen > perfect device (travel or not)
Jul 23 09:35:16 <Khertan> !
Jul 23 09:35:18 <Khertan> :)
Jul 23 09:36:37 <XTLi> Ahs, ass.
Jul 23 09:37:00 <XTLi> It may well grow up to be really handy, though
Jul 23 09:37:14 <XTLi> It already is pretty handy
Jul 23 09:37:44 <texel> Heh
Jul 23 09:37:54 <texel> No arguments there.
Jul 23 09:39:13 <XTLi> It's probably not getting lighter, though
Jul 23 09:39:23 <XTLi> Or less slippery
Jul 23 09:39:59 <XTLi> Doesn't hurt for use or travel but annoys in pocket
Jul 23 09:40:40 <texel> So.
Jul 23 09:40:45 <texel> Here's a random question for you guys:
Jul 23 09:40:52 <texel> Why in the hell does kanatest install into /usr/games? =op
Jul 23 09:40:57 <texel> When it's not a game?
Jul 23 09:42:19 <XTLi> It's feeling impish?
Jul 23 09:44:15 <XTLi> I don't know why there is /usr/games
Jul 23 09:44:34 <XTLi> Probably something the bsd hippies have cooked up
Jul 23 09:48:32 <Khertan> :)
Jul 23 10:02:30 <mikkov_> debian describes kanatest as "Kanatest is a simple hiragana and katakana drill game" -> /usr/games
Jul 23 10:08:59 <binky> Hi there
Jul 23 10:11:19 <crashanddie> binky binks in and out of the channel :D
Jul 23 10:15:03 <Khertan> http://scribes.sourceforge.net > really nice text editor
Jul 23 10:16:30 <texel> mikkov_: yeah, but technically it's not a game... It's a drill program for education. =op
Jul 23 10:17:09 <crashanddie> yuck, it has automatic completion
Jul 23 10:19:18 <Khertan> this is not the only things
Jul 23 10:19:30 <Khertan> maybe i ll take a look to see if i can port it :)
Jul 23 10:20:35 <Khertan> it s in pygtk
Jul 23 10:20:55 <Khertan> as i ve already port gtksourceview ... this should not be difficult
Jul 23 10:26:15 <crashanddie> as long as it's lightweight
Jul 23 10:26:27 <crashanddie> Heavy stuff is useless on an NIT
Jul 23 10:28:31 <Khertan> crashanddie> yes of course ...
Jul 23 10:28:56 <Khertan> this why i say port ... it need to be a bit modified to be usefull on nit
Jul 23 10:29:28 <Khertan> but from what i see in source code ... it ll be better i think to just add some features to pygtkeditor ...
Jul 23 10:34:30 <RST38h> moo all
Jul 23 10:34:43 <RST38h> khertan: still having packaging problems?
Jul 23 10:37:11 <texel> Hm. Anybody have any luck with the maemocjk project in Diablo?
Jul 23 10:37:34 <Khertan> RST38h > no it s over now :)
Jul 23 10:38:14 <Khertan> RST38h > i ve made my own package source creator ... based on a existing one mixing with pypackager ...
Jul 23 10:38:33 <Khertan> RST38h > it s not finished ... but it work on a nit
Jul 23 10:38:49 <Khertan> RST38h > and available in extras-devel :) (autogenerated)
Jul 23 10:39:05 <Khertan> RST38h > py2deb ;)
Jul 23 10:41:00 <Khertan> i need to add pre/post install/remove scripts ...
Jul 23 10:41:08 <Khertan> and some other little things
Jul 23 10:41:26 <Khertan> and integrate all of this with PyPackager.
Jul 23 10:41:48 <Khertan> i ll do also a new version of PyPackager from scratch ;)
Jul 23 10:43:27 <hrw> morning
Jul 23 11:03:31 <Jaffa> Anyone else seeing broken formatting on p.m.o?
Jul 23 11:04:52 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Hmm I see it too.
Jul 23 11:05:10 <Khertan_n810> Hi again
Jul 23 11:05:23 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on florian's name?
Jul 23 11:05:36 <Jaffa> s/florian/dneary/
Jul 23 11:05:36 <infobot> Jaffa meant: X-Fade: Looks like it might be caused by a broken macro on dneary's name?
Jul 23 11:07:13 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > does check with lintian is made on autobuilder ?
Jul 23 11:07:25 <Jaffa> Khertan_n810: not atm,
Jul 23 11:07:42 <Khertan_n810> thx jaffa
Jul 23 11:08:55 <Khertan_n810> could u do one check with it for me on python2.5-py2deb ?
Jul 23 11:10:05 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: I'll do that a bit later, need to fix this planet crap first ;)
Jul 23 11:10:28 <Khertan_n810> yep no prob
Jul 23 11:10:30 <Khertan_n810> thx
Jul 23 11:10:42 <Khertan_n810> priority is low :)
Jul 23 11:12:01 <Khertan_n810> ps : i vote for debian section in maemo repository :)
Jul 23 11:13:10 <hrw> Khertan_n810: what for?
Jul 23 11:14:02 <Khertan_n810> have only debian section admitted in section of control file package
Jul 23 11:16:15 <lcuk> jaffa, how quick is the turnaround for the autobuilder?  can it be made "near realtime" so i can do away with vmware and scratchbox?
Jul 23 11:17:04 <mgedmin> hahahaha
Jul 23 11:17:12 <mgedmin> hi, lcuk
Jul 23 11:17:21 <lcuk> mornin marius :)
Jul 23 11:17:43 <zap> What player is this: http://repository.embedded.ufcg.edu.br/brisa/screenshots/screenshot12.png ?
Jul 23 11:18:00 <mgedmin> zap: canola
Jul 23 11:18:24 <lcuk> that looks more polished than i remember
Jul 23 11:18:31 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > i ll say 15 min
Jul 23 11:18:34 <mgedmin> probably canola2
Jul 23 11:18:40 <XTLi> Slow-ola
Jul 23 11:18:57 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, damn, bit longer than doing it manually then.
Jul 23 11:19:04 <mgedmin> let-me-take-over-all-your-screen-for-30-seconds-while-I-m-starting-up-ola?
Jul 23 11:19:04 <Khertan_n810> ya
Jul 23 11:19:19 <Khertan_n810> but most of the time it take 2-3 min
Jul 23 11:19:23 <mgedmin> anyway, it's pretty
Jul 23 11:19:30 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Ah, it is crappy html in the first article.
Jul 23 11:19:30 <lcuk> i might just leave a build laptop running with a bit or sync magic from my 810
Jul 23 11:19:43 <X-Fade> Jaffa: So the article breaks layout.
Jul 23 11:20:16 <Khertan_n810> come back to work
Jul 23 11:27:43 <Jaffa> Facinating: http://www.vimeo.com/1366042
Jul 23 11:27:51 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ah, the dangers of aggregation
Jul 23 11:29:02 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Yep :)
Jul 23 11:29:21 <X-Fade> I've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen.
Jul 23 11:29:24 <X-Fade> anymore.
Jul 23 11:30:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: cool. whitelisting's always better
Jul 23 11:31:05 <hrw> X-Fade: what is on a list?
Jul 23 11:31:29 <X-Fade> hrw: ?
Jul 23 11:32:45 <hrw> 23 13:30 < X-Fade> I've now added an allowed tags filter, so that shouldn't happen.
Jul 23 11:33:05 <hrw> my blog is aggregated on p.m.o so I want to know what can get stripped
Jul 23 11:33:06 <X-Fade> hrw: Ah ;)
Jul 23 11:33:12 <X-Fade> hrw: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em>
Jul 23 11:33:17 <X-Fade> Is allowed now.
Jul 23 11:33:22 <hrw> add h3, h4, h5
Jul 23 11:33:25 <Jaffa> and <code>
Jul 23 11:33:25 <X-Fade> I can add more of course.
Jul 23 11:33:31 <Jaffa> and <var>
Jul 23 11:33:39 <hrw> and object, embed
Jul 23 11:33:46 <hrw> and ol
Jul 23 11:33:52 <hrw> abbr
Jul 23 11:33:55 <Jaffa> and dl, dt, dd
Jul 23 11:34:11 <X-Fade> Ehm, can we make a list somewhere :)
Jul 23 11:34:27 <Jaffa> Start a wiki page with what you've got so far
Jul 23 11:34:32 <Jaffa> we'll add more to the talk page
Jul 23 11:35:34 <X-Fade> I now have: <p><a><img><b><i><strong><pre><ul><li><br><blockquote><em><h2><h3><h4><code><var><object><embed><ol><abbr><dl><dt><dd>
Jul 23 11:36:40 <X-Fade> Let's see it that is enough, if something needs to be added you can always ping me or file an enhancement bug against planet.
Jul 23 11:37:27 <hrw> h4 h5 h6
Jul 23 11:37:42 <hrw> I use h3-h5 in my posts
Jul 23 11:37:49 <Jaffa> X-Fade: agreed
Jul 23 11:37:55 <hrw> <hr /> would be also good to have
Jul 23 11:43:39 <X-Fade> Khertan: http://friendpaste.com/9suZXjsc
Jul 23 11:43:53 <X-Fade> Khertan: That is a lintian check for your package.
Jul 23 11:44:57 <Khertan> Jaffa > really hard review of openmoki
Jul 23 11:44:59 <Khertan> Jaffa > really hard review of openmoko
Jul 23 11:45:04 <X-Fade> Khertan: French dates in changelog and no extended description is what pops out ;)
Jul 23 11:45:08 <Khertan> thx X-Fade
Jul 23 11:45:41 <Khertan> no errors ... only warning ... not too bad :)
Jul 23 11:46:02 <X-Fade> Khertan: E == error.
Jul 23 11:46:11 <X-Fade> Khertan: And I see one of them ;)
Jul 23 11:46:17 <Khertan> ah ... oups ... haven't see it
Jul 23 11:47:06 <Khertan> arg too bad
Jul 23 11:47:06 <Khertan> !
Jul 23 11:48:04 <Khertan> extended description missing ... and need to fix changelog ... but it's not too bad :)
Jul 23 11:48:43 <Khertan> need to add x-maemo-icon ...
Jul 23 11:50:04 <Khertan> X-Fade > thx for your help
Jul 23 11:51:57 <pupnik_> and if I wear apathy's crown... don't call me highness.   It's a long, way, down.
Jul 23 11:51:59 <pupnik_> http://youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlm4v6i80c   Oh Man, look what the cat drug in
Jul 23 11:57:01 <rmrfchik> where i can get nokia sans fonts?
Jul 23 11:59:00 <lcuk> on your device always arent they?
Jul 23 11:59:11 <aquatix> re-get them through apt
Jul 23 12:02:49 <hrw> you know what? I would like to get os2009 compield with recent tools...
Jul 23 12:03:01 <hrw> osso-games-startup fails on gcc 4.3.1
Jul 23 12:05:33 <Khertan> os2009 ?
Jul 23 12:07:36 <hrw> Khertan: os2008 will stick with current toolchain etc
Jul 23 12:08:02 <hrw> Khertan: so we would need os2009 to get any updates but will it happen..
Jul 23 12:09:55 * lcuk looks forward to os2020   neural interface direct to nokioogle hq
Jul 23 12:10:33 * RST38h looks forward to s60 touch
Jul 23 12:11:13 <RST38h> btw, fondled e71 today. Pretty nice but no match to e70 kbd-wise
Jul 23 12:11:14 * lcuk doesnt look forward and bangs  into a lamppost
Jul 23 12:11:41 <RST38h> lamppoist 1 : lcuk 0
Jul 23 12:12:20 <RST38h> gentlemen, am I right to assume that xournal is unusable on diablo?
Jul 23 12:12:28 <Khertan> ?
Jul 23 12:13:16 <RST38h> crashes on color selection and none of tools work
Jul 23 12:13:30 <lcuk> but it compiles, right?
Jul 23 12:14:06 <RST38h> even available from extras!
Jul 23 12:14:10 <Khertan> oh ... just received a new mail from maemo extras builder ...
Jul 23 12:14:32 <Khertan> python2.5-py2deb 0.4.3 is available in extras ... :)
Jul 23 12:15:07 <RST38h> hoho
Jul 23 12:15:16 <RST38h> your lucky day :)
Jul 23 12:15:34 <lcuk> lol RST38h not really, he submitted v 3.72.5493 this morning.  ;)
Jul 23 12:16:38 <lcuk> Khertan, :) glad you got it in anyway.  is this the first one you have sent through the new autobuilder?
Jul 23 12:16:56 <lcuk> or the first one sent through with builds from itself
Jul 23 12:17:56 <Khertan> the first package source builded on my device which is compliant with dpkg-buildpackage and can be uploaded by maemo extras builder :)
Jul 23 12:18:23 <X-Fade> Khertan: And doesn't have 2 pages of lintian warnings ;)
Jul 23 12:18:24 <lcuk> \o/ w00t
Jul 23 12:18:31 <Khertan> X-Fade > and this :)
Jul 23 12:18:36 <X-Fade> Khertan: You are really getting there!
Jul 23 12:18:42 <Khertan> yes ... finally
Jul 23 12:18:51 <lcuk> x-fade, does it still warn about the date formatting?  i would have thought an international program wouldnt care
Jul 23 12:19:13 <Khertan> it still need tuning ... but final version is near
Jul 23 12:19:21 <RST38h> X-Fade: personal-menu is broken in the repo
Jul 23 12:19:32 <Khertan> like limit to only maemo accepted section ...
Jul 23 12:19:38 <RST38h> reports wrong package size whatever it means
Jul 23 12:20:03 <X-Fade> RST38h: There is not much I can do about that.
Jul 23 12:20:22 <lcuk>  dpkg-buildpackage penis.deb        "Error: Package too small"
Jul 23 12:20:32 <X-Fade> RST38h: Or was it a size mismatch error?
Jul 23 12:20:59 <crashanddie> lcuk, old
Jul 23 12:21:10 <lcuk> so am i :)
Jul 23 12:21:11 <RST38h> xfade: it was
Jul 23 12:21:17 <crashanddie> lcuk, that's what I was saying
Jul 23 12:21:19 <crashanddie> :D
Jul 23 12:21:20 <X-Fade> RST38h: Chinook?
Jul 23 12:21:31 <RST38h> no, diablo
Jul 23 12:21:43 <X-Fade> extras-devel I presume?
Jul 23 12:22:10 <RST38h> cant remember, may be extras
Jul 23 12:22:14 * lcuk is v tired today
Jul 23 12:23:14 <RST38h> also, maemo recorder does not install
Jul 23 12:23:15 <X-Fade> RST38h: Should be fixed now.
Jul 23 12:23:25 <RST38h> reports unspecified problem
Jul 23 12:23:26 <X-Fade> The first one at least ;)
Jul 23 12:24:38 <Khertan> where is the page with the discussion about repository section ... can't found it
Jul 23 12:25:36 <X-Fade> Khertan: I don't think there is a wiki page yet. But they are listed in the Maemo Packaging Policy.
Jul 23 12:26:02 <X-Fade> Khertan: https://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf
Jul 23 12:26:40 <RST38h> xfade: =) going to test tonight
Jul 23 12:26:53 <X-Fade> Khertan: Page 10.
Jul 23 12:27:34 <X-Fade> "The section of packages in the user segment SHOULD be one of the following: accessories, communication, games, multimedia, office, other, programming, support, themes, tools.3 The sections in this list will appear correctly localized in the Application Manager."
Jul 23 12:27:46 <Khertan> thx
Jul 23 12:28:42 * RST38h would add emulators to the list 
Jul 23 12:29:04 <RST38h> have to classify em as other or games for now
Jul 23 12:29:09 <X-Fade> RST38h: As seen in: https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint3
Jul 23 12:29:18 <X-Fade> "2008-06-10  Better extras categories and debtags  Niels  0%  Proposal needs to be drafted in wiki page "
Jul 23 12:29:26 <RST38h> yep
Jul 23 12:29:51 <X-Fade> As you can see, I haven't made any progress with that and could use some help :)
Jul 23 12:30:20 <RST38h> xfade: btw adding icons to these categories will both make ui prettier and create incentive for packagers to list correct category
Jul 23 12:31:05 <RST38h> i.e. wrong category name --> no icon at app manager top level
Jul 23 12:32:30 <X-Fade> RST38h: https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager ;)
Jul 23 12:36:25 <Khertan>     p["/usr/lib/mcalendar"] = ["src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar.glade","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py","src/usr/lib/mcalendar/mcalendar_main.py"]
Jul 23 12:36:25 <Khertan>     p["/usr/share/applications/hildon"] = ["src/usr/share/applications/hildon/mcalendar.desktop",]
Jul 23 12:36:25 <Khertan>     p["/usr/share/dbus-1/services"] = ["src/usr/share/dbus-1/services/mcalendar.service",]
Jul 23 12:36:25 <Khertan>     p["/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps"] = ["src/usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/mcalendar.png",]
Jul 23 12:36:25 <Khertan>     p["/usr/share/pixmaps"] = ["src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar26.png","src/usr/share/pixmaps/mcalendar.png",]
Jul 23 12:36:27 <Khertan>     p["/usr/bin"] = ["src/usr/bin/mcalendar",]
Jul 23 12:36:29 <Khertan> oups ... dsl
Jul 23 12:36:35 <Khertan> sorry
Jul 23 12:36:38 <crashanddie> lol @ oups
Jul 23 12:36:50 <crashanddie> french reflexes taking over? :P
Jul 23 12:37:07 <Khertan> french reflexes ... this was that
Jul 23 12:37:31 <draco_> hi
Jul 23 12:37:46 <draco_> is there any working location for vim port of maemo?
Jul 23 12:37:51 <draco_> that I can download
Jul 23 12:38:02 <draco_> the one on maemo.org gives server error
Jul 23 12:38:51 <crashanddie> isn't vi installed by default ?
Jul 23 12:39:13 <Khertan> about https://wiki.maemo.org/User:GeneralAntilles/Improving_the_Application_manager#Grid_view ... what to say ... great job
Jul 23 12:39:44 <draco_> "vim"
Jul 23 12:40:41 <draco_> not that I want software development on maemo but that's the only viable solution I found for translating po files on the device
Jul 23 12:41:06 <draco_> if there's any other translation application that you know I can live w/o vim
Jul 23 12:41:43 <crashanddie> Khertan, I have to say, GA did a terrific job with those mockups, though, I'd like to see it in something else that pure GTK-fashioned windows
Jul 23 12:41:48 <XTLi> Vim and/or gim would be good to have
Jul 23 12:42:38 <crashanddie> Khertan, in a way, a liqbase/canola -ish interface, as snappy as liqbase, but a bit more stylish like canola
Jul 23 12:44:11 <rmrfchik> lcuk: I want them (fonts) on my workstation.
Jul 23 12:44:31 <rmrfchik> My device ran out of energy now, can't download ;)
Jul 23 12:46:46 <XTLi> That wiki page is good. Really good.
Jul 23 12:47:11 <mgedmin> mmm, vim...
Jul 23 12:47:17 <X-Fade> XTLi: Now we need someone to push it and code it up ;)
Jul 23 12:47:25 <XTLi> Appman, browser and email are propably the worst user experiences on the tablet :)
Jul 23 12:47:35 <derf> It's okay. Nobody uses those.
Jul 23 12:47:45 <draco_> XTL, modest is fine
Jul 23 12:48:03 <XTLi> All of them are more or less ugly problems of course
Jul 23 12:48:31 <crashanddie> Email is pretty much OK really
Jul 23 12:48:37 <draco_> and having no lynx is an excuse for browser :P
Jul 23 12:48:51 <draco_> default client on OS2008 is terrible
Jul 23 12:48:54 <XTLi> Modest is nice for a gui mailclient like that but not a pleasure to do any serious reading in
Jul 23 12:49:19 <crashanddie> The major problem being that it is majorly sluggish
Jul 23 12:51:12 <crashanddie> I mean, I just experienced it... Having to wait 12+ seconds to see which packages are updateable (considering I just had the warning icon on the desktop) is just stupid...
Jul 23 12:51:27 <jott> and crashy. modest crashes like once an hour here ...
Jul 23 12:51:41 <crashanddie> wow, double highlight in one sentence, nice
Jul 23 12:51:48 <jott> hah
Jul 23 12:52:11 <jott> crashy crashes crash crashanddie highlight on crash?
Jul 23 12:52:25 <crashanddie> "tung tung tung tung tung"
Jul 23 12:52:41 <aquatix> claws-mail is a lot faster with my large collection of imap folders
Jul 23 12:52:58 <crashanddie> yeah, but claws' interface is impossible to use
Jul 23 12:53:12 <draco_> i actually have zimbra on my mail server so it's mobile interface does the trick
Jul 23 12:53:15 <crashanddie> I mean, it's been designed by a one eyed braindead jellyfish
Jul 23 12:53:21 <aquatix> crashanddie: impossible is a tad strong
Jul 23 12:53:29 * aquatix even uses it at his pc's
Jul 23 12:53:30 <AStorm> crashanddie: nah, it's good, but not for small screen
Jul 23 12:53:31 <draco_> but from what  I saw modest is more superior than default e-mail client of OS2008
Jul 23 12:53:43 <t_s_o> just tried to run labyrinth 0.5.0 here, and it seems to not find a gconf python module...
Jul 23 12:53:44 <AStorm> yes
Jul 23 12:53:44 <aquatix> draco_: oh, far superior :)
Jul 23 12:53:54 <crashanddie> AStorm, well see, that's exactly the problem we have currently
Jul 23 12:53:57 <AStorm> although it is still slow
Jul 23 12:54:03 <AStorm> with online imap
Jul 23 12:54:07 <aquatix> yeah
Jul 23 12:54:07 <crashanddie> people porting apps "cuz it's good on my desktop"
Jul 23 12:54:12 <aquatix> which is the only thing i use
Jul 23 12:54:21 <crashanddie> that's just plain bullshit, and we have to stop doing that
Jul 23 12:54:38 <AStorm> crashanddie: it's OSS, you can change UI
Jul 23 12:54:46 <aquatix> crashanddie: what, no OOo for maemo?
Jul 23 12:54:53 <t_s_o> ...
Jul 23 12:54:56 <AStorm> aquatix: if you port Java, maybe
Jul 23 12:55:00 <AStorm> but it's overkill anyway
Jul 23 12:55:12 * aquatix doesn't have the need for office applications in general
Jul 23 12:55:15 <AStorm> I'd rather have working abiword
Jul 23 12:55:17 <crashanddie> AStorm, that's a stupid excuse... I should start rewriting UIs because there's guys who port apps without thinking ?
Jul 23 12:55:29 <AStorm> crashanddie: nah, they just rebuilt the app
Jul 23 12:55:32 <draco_> OO.o takes minutes to start on my dual core box
Jul 23 12:55:37 <AStorm> if you don't like UI, change it
Jul 23 12:55:39 <draco_> with a little exagration :P
Jul 23 12:55:52 <AStorm> draco_: it takes 5-30s here
Jul 23 12:55:54 <crashanddie> AStorm, well that's not my problem, is it ?
Jul 23 12:55:58 <aquatix> AStorm: vim is enough for my latex editing :)
Jul 23 12:56:01 <AStorm> crashanddie: if you don't use it, not
Jul 23 12:56:15 <AStorm> aquatix: well, pity I get to read M$O docs
Jul 23 12:56:17 <aquatix> how's gnumeric on maemo btw?
Jul 23 12:56:18 <AStorm> or OOo docs
Jul 23 12:56:25 <crashanddie> AStorm, it does become my problem when people whine "because that app is sluggish, and that app is slow, so the whole NIT is slow"
Jul 23 12:56:27 <AStorm> aquatix: mostly working, with minor bugs
Jul 23 12:56:29 <aquatix> AStorm: export to pdf beforehand?
Jul 23 12:56:38 <aquatix> or isn't that an option?
Jul 23 12:56:42 <AStorm> aquatix: external documents
Jul 23 12:56:46 <crashanddie> AStorm, but when we have good software, well written, with the NIT in mind, we don't get that kind of stuff
Jul 23 12:56:48 <aquatix> hm
Jul 23 12:56:51 <aquatix> AStorm: sucks indeed
Jul 23 12:56:54 <AStorm> unless you give me all the conversion stuff on NIT
Jul 23 12:56:54 <XTLi> Ooo and a 500G usb hdd for swapping on
Jul 23 12:57:07 <AStorm> XTLi: :>
Jul 23 12:57:09 <aquatix> maybe a nice viewer would be interesting
Jul 23 12:57:10 <lcuk> crashanddie, liqbase will get stylish once i get base widget code in place
Jul 23 12:57:22 <crashanddie> lcuk, I have no doubt about it
Jul 23 12:57:23 * aquatix had pixelviewer on his palm, worked really well
Jul 23 12:57:23 <AStorm> aquatix: there is a port of abiword
Jul 23 12:57:27 <lcuk> :)
Jul 23 12:57:28 <AStorm> but it has to get fixed
Jul 23 12:57:35 <XTLi> One line of text and ten toolbars <3
Jul 23 12:57:39 <AStorm> btw, what's it's status?
Jul 23 12:58:00 <aquatix> XTLi: we're talking ms word now? ;)
Jul 23 12:58:19 <crashanddie> lcuk, like I said, i'd love to have a toolkit which enables snappy applications, that are still finger friendly, and yet have a tiny bit of eyecandy
Jul 23 12:58:40 <AStorm> actually, GTK could be done
Jul 23 12:58:48 <AStorm> improve GTK, tablet gets bonus
Jul 23 12:58:59 <AStorm> we need more automatic/autoresizable UIs
Jul 23 12:59:06 <AStorm> unfortunately, too few apps use glade ;P
Jul 23 12:59:17 <crashanddie> Glade is a memory/cpu hog
Jul 23 12:59:24 <AStorm> nah
Jul 23 12:59:29 <AStorm> I mean, libglade
Jul 23 12:59:35 <AStorm> which isn't, it builds UI nicely
Jul 23 12:59:48 <AStorm> from XML description
Jul 23 12:59:57 <AStorm> although the description isn't free-form enough
Jul 23 13:00:06 <AStorm> there are various sizers etc.
Jul 23 13:00:18 <AStorm> although mobile GTK aka Hildon could cheat a bit
Jul 23 13:00:18 <crashanddie> wait
Jul 23 13:00:25 <crashanddie> I think I didn't convey that idea well enough
Jul 23 13:00:36 <crashanddie> lemme try again
Jul 23 13:00:37 <crashanddie> Glade is a memory/cpu hog
Jul 23 13:00:51 <AStorm> prove it
Jul 23 13:00:56 <poutsi> grh, what's up with maemo.org? try clicking vim from http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/text-editors/
Jul 23 13:01:00 <AStorm> it's not, it runs and then you close it
Jul 23 13:01:06 <Khertan> AStorm > automatic/autoresizable UIs is a real pain with libglade
Jul 23 13:01:06 <crashanddie> AStorm, stuff like Glade is awesome on a desktop
Jul 23 13:01:26 <AStorm> Khertan: not that much pain, but you have to use sizers correctly
Jul 23 13:01:30 <AStorm> still...
Jul 23 13:01:38 <Khertan> exemple with the stylus keyboard appear ... thing which is reduce is randomly choosen
Jul 23 13:01:39 <poutsi> incidentally, a direct link to a package of os2008 vim would be greatly appreciated
Jul 23 13:01:53 <AStorm> Khertan: not randomly, it's always predictable
Jul 23 13:02:01 <AStorm> unless you use glade incorrectly
Jul 23 13:02:06 <Khertan> AStorm > maybe :)
Jul 23 13:02:06 <AStorm> (yeah, it's tricky)
Jul 23 13:02:29 <AStorm> we need a more free-form language, which says: this is a toolbar, it has 3 icons
Jul 23 13:02:33 <Khertan> AStorm > so maybe you can help me ?
Jul 23 13:02:38 <AStorm> this window has 3 buttons, one is cancel ;P
Jul 23 13:02:51 <AStorm> anchor them to bottom :)
Jul 23 13:03:02 <Khertan> it s a bit what gtk try to do
Jul 23 13:03:10 <AStorm> but fails with the sizers
Jul 23 13:03:11 <Khertan> pack_end :)
Jul 23 13:03:17 <AStorm> as sizers *contain* items
Jul 23 13:03:21 <Khertan> AStorm > nothing is perfect
Jul 23 13:03:23 <AStorm> and aren't anchors
Jul 23 13:03:35 <AStorm> anchoring works much better IMO (a'la SWT)
Jul 23 13:04:10 <XTLi> http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/vis/
Jul 23 13:04:52 <Khertan> i ve tryed edje to make a beautifull interface to mCalendar
Jul 23 13:05:00 <Khertan> but it s a real pain to use !
Jul 23 13:05:05 <AStorm> XTLi: it's unfortunately vaporware
Jul 23 13:05:13 <AStorm> edje indeed is PITA
Jul 23 13:05:49 <AStorm> XTLi: the best we currently could do, is... divide and conquer
Jul 23 13:05:59 <AStorm> have a style language tied to functional description :D
Jul 23 13:07:34 <Khertan> AStorm > you can maybe help me ... i m looking for how to made a beautifull gtk interface for mcalendar that can be use only with thumb (without stylus)
Jul 23 13:07:52 <AStorm> Khertan: then you have to limit number of buttons
Jul 23 13:07:54 <Khertan> but as my ui is easy to use ... it s not really beautifull
Jul 23 13:08:03 <AStorm> and know that tablet is 225 dpi or so
Jul 23 13:08:17 <Khertan> AStorm > button can be used ...
Jul 23 13:08:27 <Khertan> but they should be not too small
Jul 23 13:08:40 <Khertan> do u have see what mcalendar look like ?
Jul 23 13:08:57 <AStorm> no
Jul 23 13:09:00 <AStorm> show it to me
Jul 23 13:13:43 <Khertan> hum ... lol ... i ve problem with scp
Jul 23 13:13:56 <Khertan> i took the sd card and show you some pics
Jul 23 13:14:09 <Khertan> (you can also install it from maemo extras-devel chinook repository)
Jul 23 13:15:19 <XTLi> Is the hildon stuff getting into debian?
Jul 23 13:15:54 <XTLi> There's matchbox but that's not much
Jul 23 13:16:06 <jott> XTLi: hildon is in sid/lenny
Jul 23 13:16:38 <XTLi> Oh?
Jul 23 13:17:29 <XTLi> So it is. How didn't I find itwhen I looked before
Jul 23 13:22:04 <Khertan> AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot00.png
Jul 23 13:22:07 <Khertan> AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot01.png
Jul 23 13:22:08 <Khertan> AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot03.png
Jul 23 13:22:30 <Khertan> AStorm > http://khertan.net/poubelle/screenshot02.png
Jul 23 13:23:00 <AStorm> I'd say loose the name "previous/next"
Jul 23 13:23:12 <AStorm> 03 isn't available ;P
Jul 23 13:23:18 <mgedmin> s/loose/lose/
Jul 23 13:23:35 <AStorm> yes yes
Jul 23 13:23:40 <AStorm> this keyboard sucks
Jul 23 13:23:51 <AStorm> that's why I bought a new one
Jul 23 13:24:04 <Jaffa> lcuk: btw, where's the best place to download a liqbase binary at the moment? Or is it a "compile it yourself" job?
Jul 23 13:24:09 <AStorm> Khertan: how does it do alarms? using built-in maemo functionality?
Jul 23 13:25:07 <AStorm> hm, how are recurrent tasks shown? can there be exceptions to recurrent tasks? :)
Jul 23 13:25:19 <AStorm> (one thing I'm missing in most calendars)
Jul 23 13:25:51 <AStorm> "Repeat ..." except "pick dates and/or date range"
Jul 23 13:26:05 <lcuk> jaffa, the playtest (which has only minor diffs to the svn) is here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21259 and it has instructions and notes and stuff
Jul 23 13:26:19 <lcuk> the package should be sortedo ut real soon now (TM)
Jul 23 13:26:36 <AStorm> Khertan: otherwise, UI looks clean
Jul 23 13:26:45 <AStorm> I'd only make Repeat checkbox larger
Jul 23 13:27:09 <AStorm> and change textbox to spinner (also make it larger)
Jul 23 13:28:41 <Khertan> AStorm > alarm aren't yet implemented
Jul 23 13:28:51 <AStorm> :(
Jul 23 13:28:56 <Khertan> AStorm > exception not yet too :)
Jul 23 13:29:05 <AStorm> that's the most important feature every calendar needs (alarm)
Jul 23 13:29:14 <Khertan> textbox to spinner ?
Jul 23 13:29:18 <AStorm> I think there was a cli app to add alarms to default maemo alarm system
Jul 23 13:29:25 <AStorm> Khertan: yeah, that one by the repeat
Jul 23 13:29:36 <Khertan> AStorm > yes i know this why it s in alpha ... all feature aren't here yet :)
Jul 23 13:29:37 <AStorm> and make it as large as the combobox by it
Jul 23 13:29:40 <Jaffa> lcuk: you should set the garage project's homepage to that Googlepagees.com URL
Jul 23 13:30:39 <AStorm> Khertan: if you're so good, make mTodo too :)
Jul 23 13:30:41 <Khertan> what is a spinner a gtk spin ?
Jul 23 13:30:41 <aquatix> Khertan: does mCalendar use the evolution data store thingee as backend?
Jul 23 13:30:44 <AStorm> and tie it in
Jul 23 13:30:48 <AStorm> Khertan: yeah, that one
Jul 23 13:30:55 <Khertan> AStorm > mtasks ... :)
Jul 23 13:31:02 <AStorm> could be, yes
Jul 23 13:31:10 <Khertan> AStorm > the next is mContact
Jul 23 13:31:12 <XTLi> Spin.gif
Jul 23 13:31:13 <Jaffa> lcuk: BTW, does it need to be /home/user/MyDocs/ or does it use the value of $MYDOCSDIR? (I've moved my MyDocs to MMC so I don't have to back it up)
Jul 23 13:31:16 <Khertan> from google contact :)
Jul 23 13:31:19 <Khertan> sync
Jul 23 13:31:24 <Khertan> like mCalendar :)
Jul 23 13:31:46 <AStorm> ok, still, does it use eds? (evolution data store)
Jul 23 13:31:57 <Khertan> no
Jul 23 13:31:57 <lcuk> right now its hard written sorry jaffa
Jul 23 13:32:17 <Khertan> no eds, as eds was a pain to use
Jul 23 13:32:20 * aquatix wonders how hard it will be to sync his phone with google calendar
Jul 23 13:32:23 <Khertan> and no binding is available in python
Jul 23 13:32:30 <Jaffa> aquatix: http://www.goosync.com/
Jul 23 13:32:34 <Khertan> s/binding/working binding/
Jul 23 13:32:35 <infobot> Khertan meant: and no working binding is available in python
Jul 23 13:32:40 <Jaffa> Khertan: why the random 'm' prefices, btw?
Jul 23 13:32:46 <aquatix> Jaffa: yeah, that one sucks
Jul 23 13:32:52 <aquatix> Jaffa: i want real sync
Jul 23 13:32:53 <AStorm> and infobot meant: disable stupid s///
Jul 23 13:32:55 <summatusmentis> aquatix: what sort of phone/desktop OS?
Jul 23 13:33:09 <aquatix> summatusmentis: sony ericsson m600i with symbian 9.1 and uiq3
Jul 23 13:33:21 <AStorm> Jaffa: I suspect it's mobile
Jul 23 13:33:24 <aquatix> desktop os is linux [debian, ubuntu; i have both]
Jul 23 13:33:31 <aquatix> preferably stand-alone sync
Jul 23 13:34:12 <summatusmentis> aquatix: oh, syncing my palm centro with google is easy, but that?s because OS X has built in google sync
Jul 23 13:35:09 <wiza> I would just like normal n810 <> ks10 <> mac os x sync
Jul 23 13:35:14 <wiza> w/o google :)
Jul 23 13:35:21 <Jaffa> aquatix: Google Calendar rumoured to be getting SyncML (and Gears support) in the next couple of weeks
Jul 23 13:35:55 <summatusmentis> I?ve been wondering abount syncing my n810
Jul 23 13:36:11 <aquatix> and the funambol syncml server didn't comprehend symbian-style appointments like `anniversary'
Jul 23 13:36:19 <aquatix> Jaffa: ooh, that'd be cool
Jul 23 13:36:44 <aquatix> Jaffa: apparently missed that rumour
Jul 23 13:36:51 <summatusmentis> funambol? does it work well?
Jul 23 13:37:33 <aquatix> funambol is ok as syncml server yeah, but doesn't support ical, only old vcal
Jul 23 13:39:02 <Dekaritae> nuevasync.com is nice
Jul 23 13:39:11 <aquatix> summatusmentis: so it broke synching my phone's calendar and evolution
Jul 23 13:39:30 <aquatix> i tried zyb
Jul 23 13:39:34 <aquatix> also nice-ish
Jul 23 13:39:41 <wiza> is n810 getting syncml sync?
Jul 23 13:39:59 <wiza> if I could use phone to get synched between mac os x and n810...
Jul 23 13:40:00 <aquatix> but i b0rked my addressbook there; need to reset it somehow [don't want dozens of duplicates ;)]
Jul 23 13:40:22 <Khertan> Jaffa > m like maemo :)
Jul 23 13:40:26 <aquatix> wiza: not sure, but maybe pimlico's esp synch does syncml?
Jul 23 13:40:47 <Khertan> Jaffa > as it s an application created specificly for maemo
Jul 23 13:42:20 <Khertan> Jaffa > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ...
Jul 23 13:42:23 <Khertan> oups ...
Jul 23 13:42:37 <Khertan> AStorm > Gtk spin button is really to small to be used with thumb ...
Jul 23 13:43:55 <aquatix> Dekaritae: nuevasync.com does syncml? i can't quite make it out from the site
Jul 23 13:44:11 <Jaffa> Khertan: fair enough. I should look at mCalendar - until Google Calendar gets Gears, I want a mainly read-only, alarm providing interface to my Google Calendar.
Jul 23 13:44:15 <Dekaritae> I'm not sure, but it works on my Treo and my iPod
Jul 23 13:45:00 <t_s_o> syncing over syncml right now works with syncevolution (a commandline app, really needs a gui for maemo. maybe ill look into python?), and pimlico use the evolution database (that also the maemo addressbook makes use of)
Jul 23 13:45:07 * aquatix really misses the synchability of his palm
Jul 23 13:45:26 <Dekaritae> <3 Palm :(
Jul 23 13:45:29 <t_s_o> one would need something like scheduleworld.com to act as a go-between tho...
Jul 23 13:46:00 <aquatix> [which runs a customised funambol ;)]
Jul 23 13:46:32 <t_s_o> aquatix: hmm, your suggesting to run ones own syncml server?
Jul 23 13:46:43 <Jaffa> Khertan: neeed screenshots :-)
Jul 23 13:47:12 * Jaffa had been using ScheduleWorld with Funambol/Outlook/GPE-Calendar.
Jul 23 13:47:25 <aquatix> t_s_o: not necessarily, just pointing out that scheduleworld might have the same issues as i had with funambol
Jul 23 13:47:46 * aquatix would like to have his data stay in his own server, but that's another matter
Jul 23 13:47:47 <t_s_o> ah, missed that part, sorry about that
Jul 23 13:47:58 <aquatix> no problem :)
Jul 23 13:49:18 <aquatix> opensync is also an option for synching btw
Jul 23 13:49:32 <aquatix> but i don't think their syncml conduit is finished
Jul 23 13:50:42 <t_s_o> hmm, i wonder how it went with that attempt to get opensync going on maemo
Jul 23 13:51:10 <AStorm> Khertan: you dismiss it to easily
Jul 23 13:51:22 <AStorm> it works when dragging :)
Jul 23 13:51:26 <AStorm> you tap it, then drag
Jul 23 13:51:33 <Dekaritae> aquatix: Nuevasycn pretends to be an exchange server, but it's a front-end for Google
Jul 23 13:51:36 <AStorm> you dont' have to click the tiny buttons
Jul 23 13:51:43 <Khertan> ah ... don't know :)
Jul 23 13:51:53 <Khertan> so ... i ll change that :)
Jul 23 13:53:01 <Khertan> AStorm > i found that the overall ui is too ... i don't know what ... but it s lack from a beautifull touch
Jul 23 13:53:12 <AStorm> nah, it looks ok :)
Jul 23 13:55:34 <aquatix> Dekaritae: ah, like that
Jul 23 13:55:42 <aquatix> Dekaritae: useless for me ;)
Jul 23 13:55:53 <aquatix> thanks for the suggestion though
Jul 23 13:57:31 <Khertan> from the point of view o a user, when he see the ui of mCalendar and Calendar on iPhone ... he can only think that mCalendar is odd
Jul 23 13:57:59 <Khertan> openmoko calendar is more beautifull ... imagine !
Jul 23 13:58:01 <Khertan> :)
Jul 23 13:58:45 <aquatix> as long as it's integrated in my environment [e.g., nicely using gtk widgets and such], i don't really care :)
Jul 23 13:59:01 <aquatix> and you can always tweak stuff a bit
Jul 23 13:59:13 <ShadowJK> Speaking of openmoko, that neo freerunner thing, it's a bit like an unpolished N8x0 but with integrated gsm modem, isn't it? :-)
Jul 23 13:59:16 <aquatix> maybe users will come with good suggestions
Jul 23 13:59:24 <aquatix> ShadowJK: uh-huh
Jul 23 13:59:39 <aquatix> ShadowJK: and no keyboard and lousy battery ;)
Jul 23 13:59:47 <aquatix> only vga too
Jul 23 13:59:57 <ShadowJK> "only"
Jul 23 14:00:11 <aquatix> [which is really nice on a phone indeed]
Jul 23 14:00:23 <aquatix> i have a lousy 240x320 on my uiq3 phone
Jul 23 14:00:48 <aquatix> but otoh, NITs have 800x480 of course
Jul 23 14:00:51 <hrw> ShadowJK: gsm modem which is only gsm
Jul 23 14:00:59 <hrw> no edge, umts, hsdpa
Jul 23 14:01:08 <ShadowJK> Although it had gprs, iirc
Jul 23 14:01:10 <aquatix> hrw: it did do gprs righ?
Jul 23 14:01:40 <hrw> it has gprs
Jul 23 14:01:54 <t_s_o> its kinda strange that syncml have not turned into some way to transfer data between devices without the need for a third party server...
Jul 23 14:02:10 <hrw> gprs was known in 2000 when TI calypso (gsm modem in openmoko phones) was created
Jul 23 14:02:54 <ShadowJK> I was thinking... If you had N810 pretend it was a bluetooth headset, and then also had it access, say, a cheapo phone's bluetooth com port, it'd almost be like having an integrated gsm/3g chip :-)
Jul 23 14:03:09 <ShadowJK> t_s_o, obex?
Jul 23 14:03:51 <aquatix> ShadowJK: well, i guess calling on that cell phone is more comfortable
Jul 23 14:04:01 <aquatix> and i already can go online through bluetooth
Jul 23 14:04:09 <ShadowJK> probably :-)
Jul 23 14:04:34 <aquatix> there's even an app that can initiate calls from you NIT iirc
Jul 23 14:04:39 <t_s_o> ShadowJK: could be, but im not to familiar with it...
Jul 23 14:04:58 <ShadowJK> You can atleast send contacts and files through obex...
Jul 23 14:05:20 <Khertan> aquatix > user ask for a iphone like calendar ... :)
Jul 23 14:05:24 <aquatix> ShadowJK: yeah, but synching is a bit more than that of course
Jul 23 14:05:45 <aquatix> Khertan: create a nice month overview? ;)
Jul 23 14:06:31 <t_s_o> it just seems that when people talk about sync, they automatically envision this old palm being put in its dock to slurp up data from the office computer
Jul 23 14:06:40 <Khertan> aquatix > i ll do it ... it s needed ... at list to see quickly the day of a date
Jul 23 14:07:06 <Khertan> s/at list/at least
Jul 23 14:07:29 <aquatix> t_s_o: or at least be able to synchronise my phone's address book and contact list with my pc's data
Jul 23 14:07:38 <aquatix> like i could with my palm
Jul 23 14:07:54 <aquatix> but not so easily with my symbian based phone :(
Jul 23 14:08:08 <Khertan> but ... for example ... make a degraded color button is not really a easy thing in gtk
Jul 23 14:08:13 * aquatix has at least 4 places with contact info now
Jul 23 14:08:34 <aquatix> Khertan: well, that's a theming thing
Jul 23 14:08:46 <t_s_o> heh, im starting to see the appeal of blackberry/exchange/mobileme like systems...
Jul 23 14:08:49 <aquatix> Khertan: i prefer a calendar that fits into the rest of my tablet
Jul 23 14:08:55 * Khertan has only one place with contact info ... his n810, his desktop, his google contact :)
Jul 23 14:09:27 * aquatix has his phone, n810, email client on desktop, pidgin IM stuff...
Jul 23 14:09:36 <Dekaritae> Ugh
Jul 23 14:09:38 <Khertan> aquatix> hum, this is why i prefer to keep gtk instead of other framework
Jul 23 14:10:12 * Khertan think that he really should finish and make an UI to mContacts
Jul 23 14:10:12 <aquatix> IM stuff i also have on my n810 in its contacts thanks to Collabora etc
Jul 23 14:13:40 <nomis> can I somewhere look at the build queue of the autobuilder?
Jul 23 14:14:54 <t_s_o> woopie, pimlico dates and scheduleworld have their times mixed up. if i set something to 8 am in dates, it gives me 10 am in scheduleworld...
Jul 23 14:15:08 <aquatix> time zone stuff?
Jul 23 14:15:48 <nomis> sorry, found it already at https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/
Jul 23 14:16:35 <nomis> doh, it failed.
Jul 23 14:17:03 <nomis> X-Fade: there?
Jul 23 14:17:07 <t_s_o> aquatix: could be
Jul 23 14:17:47 <X-Fade> nomis: Yep.
Jul 23 14:18:28 <nomis> X-Fade: it seems that a configure test on the autobuilder for libhildondesktop fails. Any Idea what might be wrong?
Jul 23 14:18:41 <nomis> X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/statusbarclock_0.9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Jul 23 14:18:41 <hrw> t_s_o: pimlico dates ignore timezone
Jul 23 14:18:50 <t_s_o> ah, figures :S
Jul 23 14:19:00 <t_s_o> well, i guess its back to gpe then...
Jul 23 14:19:05 <nomis> X-Fade: it seems to work in the scratchbox I installed for diablo.
Jul 23 14:19:20 <X-Fade> nomis: Sure, you are missing Build-Depends for hildon.
Jul 23 14:19:25 <nomis> ah.
Jul 23 14:19:49 <Khertan> haha
Jul 23 14:20:24 <X-Fade> nomis: Check out dpkg-genbuilddeps ;)
Jul 23 14:20:39 <nomis> X-Fade: argh, another magic debian tool   :)
Jul 23 14:21:30 <nomis> that one fails in scratchbox.
Jul 23 14:22:29 <nomis> "Can't locate Devscripts/Set.pm in @INC ..."
Jul 23 14:23:15 <X-Fade> nomis: Seems that you need some perl scripts.
Jul 23 14:23:21 <dannym> nomis: try "perl -MCPAN -e shell" then "install Devscripts::Set" or so...
Jul 23 14:24:11 <hrw> "apt-get install devscripts"
Jul 23 14:24:36 <dannym> hrw: ah, even better :)
Jul 23 14:25:06 <hrw> dannym: thats for normal debian. no idea will it work in scarybox
Jul 23 14:26:00 <nomis> hrw: it worked.
Jul 23 14:28:52 <Stskeeps> qwerty12
Jul 23 14:28:57 <Stskeeps> : bash2 causes bad apt-get things for me as it replaces /bin/sh. bash2 from extras
Jul 23 14:29:22 <qwerty12> I'm not so much of a fan of bash2 as it does some funky stuff to my .profile etc
Jul 23 14:29:41 <Stskeeps> k
Jul 23 14:30:44 <RST38h> qwrty12
Jul 23 14:30:52 <smyows> is possible to plug usb device with more 100mA ?
Jul 23 14:31:01 <qwerty12> hi RST38h
Jul 23 14:31:10 <RST38h> qwerty12: planet tells you got interviewed!5)
Jul 23 14:31:11 <dannym> smyows: when you put an active USB hub in-between, yes...
Jul 23 14:31:12 <hrw> bash2 package replace /bin/sh?
Jul 23 14:31:16 <X-Fade> smyows: Only if you use a powered hub.
Jul 23 14:31:22 <hrw> and patched kernel
Jul 23 14:31:29 <hrw> default kernel refuse usb hubs
Jul 23 14:31:33 <RST38h> smyows: possible but not guaranteed to work
Jul 23 14:31:35 <hrw> at least my hubs
Jul 23 14:31:45 <smyows> i have one powered hub but do not work
Jul 23 14:32:09 <smyows> hmm
Jul 23 14:32:10 <qwerty12> RST38h: Heh, I was requested to over PM :)
Jul 23 14:32:14 <hrw> because their kernel refuse hubs
Jul 23 14:32:17 <dannym> smyows: did you connect the Nokia Internet Tablet to the uplink of the hub?
Jul 23 14:32:31 <smyows> yes
Jul 23 14:32:42 <hrw> smyows: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/06/02/feel-the-power-of-usb-with-nokia-tablet/
Jul 23 14:32:48 <dannym> smyows: did you "echo host >/sys/devices/platform/musb_whatever/mode" ? :)
Jul 23 14:32:53 <hrw> "But there is one problem — default kernel is compiled with OTG whitelist enabled. As a result some classes of devices are rejected — for example all my USB Hubs. After disabling of CONFIG_USB_OTG_WHITELIST (and recompilation of kernel) they got supported."
Jul 23 14:33:00 <smyows> hrw, have .config to send me
Jul 23 14:33:11 <qwerty12> smyows: you can change that yourself
Jul 23 14:33:14 <smyows> host mode
Jul 23 14:33:15 <hrw> smyows: take default n8x0 one and change that
Jul 23 14:33:52 <qwerty12> hrw: interesting read, thanks. /me wonders why nokia do that...
Jul 23 14:34:36 <hrw> bbiab
Jul 23 14:35:08 <Stskeeps> hrw: unpack it with dpkg-deb -x and you see /bin/sh
Jul 23 14:35:13 <smyows> were i found default .config, i have used nokia_2420
Jul 23 14:35:20 <Stskeeps> and apt freaks
Jul 23 14:35:41 <smyows> this defconf do not work
Jul 23 14:36:13 <X-Fade> smyows: n800_defconfig
Jul 23 14:36:25 <smyows> hmm
Jul 23 14:36:29 <nomis> X-Fade: dunno if it matters somewhere, but the clock on the autobuilder apparently is about 10 minutes off.
Jul 23 14:36:35 <smyows> okay i ll try again
Jul 23 14:36:39 * qwerty12 uses 2420 without ever having a problem
Jul 23 14:37:33 <X-Fade> nomis: Yes, I noticed that too. But I don't have access to the actual build machine.
Jul 23 14:37:41 <nomis> ok.
Jul 23 14:37:44 <aquatix> someone here doing gprs/umts with their linux laptop/pc?
Jul 23 14:37:59 <smyows> the all modules have to stay on /lib/modules/kernel or not have problem leave the tree kernel modules
Jul 23 14:38:00 <RST38h> ?
Jul 23 14:38:02 * aquatix has issues with his chat script/peers file
Jul 23 14:38:21 <RST38h> oh, I am using xp
Jul 23 14:38:23 <aquatix> [slightly off-topic :)]
Jul 23 14:38:41 * aquatix wants to use gprs/umts with his debian laptop
Jul 23 14:39:01 <RST38h> dont even know why you would still need a script in 2008
Jul 23 14:39:03 <dannym> aquatix: yes, me...
Jul 23 14:39:12 <dannym> aquatix: I even use it on the N800 ;)
Jul 23 14:39:26 <aquatix> yeah, my n810 works just fine with it
Jul 23 14:39:44 <aquatix> but i can't get pppd on my laptop to connect :/
Jul 23 14:39:56 <dannym> aquatix: does your modem work on the n810 without an USB hub? mine is a power hog...
Jul 23 14:39:57 <aquatix> dannym: you have your settings online?
Jul 23 14:40:12 <lcuk> nomis, just set your lcoal clock to the nokia verified one true time clock and  all will be well with the world
Jul 23 14:40:22 <nomis> \o/
Jul 23 14:40:26 <aquatix> dannym: i use my cell phone over bluetooth
Jul 23 14:40:34 <aquatix> works really well
Jul 23 14:40:35 * nomis extends the statusbar-clock with the nokia timezone.
Jul 23 14:40:43 <lcuk> "clock skew detected, your build may be incomplete
Jul 23 14:40:43 <aquatix> nomis: :)
Jul 23 14:41:12 <dannym> aquatix: ah, I have an USB HSDPA modem :)
Jul 23 14:41:13 <aquatix> someone should use ntp
Jul 23 14:41:13 <aquatix> dannym: ah :)
Jul 23 14:41:13 <RST38h> is .fi gmt+2?
Jul 23 14:41:14 <smyows> i wanna use 3g modem
Jul 23 14:41:14 <dannym> aquatix: I use wvdial to dial in, it worked magically...
Jul 23 14:41:26 <aquatix> maybe i should try that then
Jul 23 14:41:46 <lcuk> RST38h,  +2 oin winter days, +1 on odd days beginning with t, -1 after beers
Jul 23 14:42:00 <dannym> aquatix: does the dialling part already work on your Linux PC (before pppd)?
Jul 23 14:42:08 <aquatix> dannym: but using a peers file and a chat script looked easy enough
Jul 23 14:42:15 <smyows> dannym, do u have a deb package
Jul 23 14:42:42 <aquatix> dannym: what do you mean? it connects with my phone over bluetooth, then i get weird control chars echo'd from pppd
Jul 23 14:42:59 <dannym> smyows: not yet, I'm in the process of writing one... I only recently got the "hso" kernel module to work...
Jul 23 14:43:00 <aquatix> don't see the phone connect to the internet though
Jul 23 14:43:09 <dannym> smyows: (for devices by manufacturer "Option")
Jul 23 14:43:19 <smyows> hmmm
Jul 23 14:44:55 <dannym> smyows: is there a wiki page on the maemo.org site about external HSDPA modems already? If not, we could start one so we can keep tabs on progress :)
Jul 23 14:45:14 <smyows> :D
Jul 23 14:45:23 <qwerty12> dannym: External HSDPA modems on the tablet?
Jul 23 14:45:25 <smyows> i have evdo usb modem
Jul 23 14:45:30 <dannym> qwerty12: yes
Jul 23 14:45:41 <smyows> usbserial o/
Jul 23 14:45:51 <qwerty12> I've got usbmodeswitch and comgt compiled...
Jul 23 14:46:04 <crashanddie> Email: "Own up to 10.000euros per month !" Me: "delete, we all know this" Other moderator: "Would you mind explaining the method ?" Me: "Use the delete command" Other moderator: "No, I meant, would you care explaining how to make 10.000euros per month ? :D"
Jul 23 14:46:42 <dannym> aquatix: I'm sorry, but I only have experience with the wvdial automatic setup thingie, it just tells me like "starting pppd", "obtained IP address x.y.z.a" and that's all... I've not touched the lowlevel configs in years....
Jul 23 14:47:19 <dannym> aquatix: but it shouldn't be too hard, though I remember using pppd directly was a pain in the butt to debug... :)
Jul 23 14:47:56 <dannym> aquatix: but if the process of "pppd" is running and keeps running I'd say you're dailled in successfully... does it?
Jul 23 14:50:36 <hrw> re
Jul 23 14:51:02 <dannym> aquatix: ah, did you set the APN? That was the only thing I had to set up manually in wvdial: 'at+cgdcont=1,"ip","web.one.at"'
Jul 23 14:51:04 <aquatix> dannym: no, it stops with an error after a little while
Jul 23 14:51:11 <aquatix> yeah, did so
Jul 23 14:51:21 <aquatix> OK      'AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet",,0,0'
Jul 23 14:51:35 <dannym> aquatix: yeah, depending on the provider of course :)
Jul 23 14:51:40 <aquatix> that's the one according to a site about my provider
Jul 23 14:51:54 <aquatix> http://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- this page has some useful info
Jul 23 14:52:03 <aquatix> i'll install wvdial tonight at home
Jul 23 14:52:04 <dannym> aquatix: try adding "debug" to /etc/ppp/options (or whatever it was :))
Jul 23 14:52:10 <aquatix> heh, i have
Jul 23 14:52:17 <aquatix> that's what gives the control chars
Jul 23 14:52:22 <aquatix> lots of }'s and such
Jul 23 14:52:54 <dannym> aquatix: it does that on a successful attempt here too, seems to be normal (as far as I can tell) - though it's just like 20 characters or so :)
Jul 23 14:52:59 <nomis> ok, as soon as the promoting comes into effect we have a statusbarclock again  :)
Jul 23 14:53:05 <dannym> aquatix: (of garbage)
Jul 23 14:53:16 <dannym> only*
Jul 23 14:53:18 <aquatix> dannym: hm, k
Jul 23 14:53:28 <aquatix> but then it says connect script failed
Jul 23 14:53:35 <aquatix> so something isn't right :)
Jul 23 14:53:40 <aquatix> but as you said, a pain to debug
Jul 23 14:55:08 <dannym> aquatix: yeah, you may want to try wvdial, a "try every darn fix in sequence automatically" tool :D
Jul 23 14:56:05 <aquatix> dannym: :)
Jul 23 14:56:12 <aquatix> will have to wait till back home
Jul 23 14:56:13 <aquatix> orrr
Jul 23 14:56:15 <dannym> aquatix: ah, hmm... in the beginning I have a normal AT command chat... the garbage comes just after "CONNECT ..." for me... and then pppd kicks in and takes over things...
Jul 23 14:56:22 <aquatix> i download the deb and transfer by usb stick
Jul 23 14:56:40 <aquatix> yeah, i've something similar
Jul 23 14:57:00 <aquatix> http://report.weblog.ub.rug.nl/show_note.php?Record_ID=2&Note_ID=149 <- the last chat script [for KPN/Telfort]
Jul 23 14:57:18 <aquatix> other peers file though, as the one he provides doesn't work at all
Jul 23 14:57:44 <aquatix> but i need a gateway ip somewhere too; however, my phone doesn't even starts to set up a connection
Jul 23 14:59:45 <dannym> aquatix: I see...
Jul 23 15:02:15 <Khertan> is it me or does python2.5-hildondesktop binding isn't available in diablo extras/extras-devel repository
Jul 23 15:02:16 <Khertan> N
Jul 23 15:02:17 <Khertan> ?
Jul 23 15:04:01 <Khertan> there is also a homeip package in diablo ...
Jul 23 15:04:12 <Khertan> strange, i don't remember have send it to diablo !
Jul 23 15:04:16 <aquatix> dannym: ok, just installed wvdial, now let's play a bit :)
Jul 23 15:07:15 <X-Fade> Khertan: Import from chinook ;)
Jul 23 15:07:46 <Khertan> ah oki
Jul 23 15:07:59 <Khertan> but u have not imported the depandancies
Jul 23 15:08:12 <Khertan> i can't found python2.5-hildondesktop :)
Jul 23 15:09:09 <X-Fade> Isn't that python2.5-hildon ?
Jul 23 15:09:11 <dannym> aquatix: use "wvdialconf" or a text editor to create a "/etc/wvdial.conf" with at least the magic "AT+CGDCONT"... init string...
Jul 23 15:09:30 <dannym> aquatix: (like "Init2 = AT+CGDCONT="...etc)
Jul 23 15:11:35 <Khertan> X-Fade > hum ... so they have integrate it in the package hildon without say nothing about this ...
Jul 23 15:11:52 <dannym> aquatix: I have to reach the library before it closes, so I'll be back later... I wish you luck and be sure to tell me how it went later :)
Jul 23 15:12:08 <X-Fade> Khertan: Talk to the python guys about that ;) #canola is a start ;)
Jul 23 15:12:16 <Khertan> :)
Jul 23 15:12:36 <Khertan> X-Fade > i'ven't good relation with python guys :)
Jul 23 15:12:48 <aquatix> dannym: hf
Jul 23 15:12:53 <aquatix> grmbl, doesn't work
Jul 23 15:13:03 <Khertan> thx for your help X-Fade :)
Jul 23 15:13:07 * aquatix is almost going home, might not be back tonight
Jul 23 15:13:17 <aquatix> dannym: i'll keep you posted :)
Jul 23 15:14:04 <dannym> aquatix: okay... I'll read my wvdial config after I go home today to see whether there is anything special in it, just in case... :)
Jul 23 15:14:15 <aquatix> k :)
Jul 23 15:14:36 <dannym> aquatix: see you :)
Jul 23 15:17:08 <dannym> smyows: <http://wiki.maemo.org/3G_HSDPA_GPRS_Modem>, I'll finish it later (as in, add actual files, Debian package etc) but it's a start :)
Jul 23 15:17:39 <smyows> wooww :D
Jul 23 15:17:41 <smyows> thx
Jul 23 15:18:50 <smyows> my modem is evdo :)/
Jul 23 15:18:59 <smyows> usbserial only
Jul 23 15:19:04 <smyows> o/
Jul 23 15:19:29 <smyows> my problem is my powered hub
Jul 23 15:19:46 <smyows> i'm editing .config to compile a new kernel
Jul 23 15:20:38 <smyows> original kernel if i change usb to host mode, my device freeze and reboot
Jul 23 15:20:53 <smyows> with hub usb
Jul 23 15:23:05 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Jul 23 15:24:32 <smyows> o/
Jul 23 15:24:58 <qwerty12> lcuk: What files do you need packaged? I'm adding rules to package the files that came with the binary only playtest (minus the files in the _apg folder), package an desktop file & and a sudoers file. And probably an script to start liqbase as root. (Although, just out of question, if you start liqbase as root and have files saved in /home/user/MyDocs etc, wouldn't that make those files be owned by root?)
Jul 23 15:26:42 <trickie|away> qwerty12: yes they will be owned by root
Jul 23 15:27:16 <qwerty12> trickie|away: Yeah, that's what I thought, I'll grab the binary playtest and see again :)
Jul 23 15:28:26 <X-Fade> Heh, Quim made a few videos of the conference location ;) If you haven't seen it yet: http://share.ovi.com/channel/qgil.public
Jul 23 15:28:39 <qwerty12> What's in qgil.private :P
Jul 23 15:29:05 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Well, you'll never know.. I guess ;)
Jul 23 15:29:13 <qwerty12> Hehe :P :)
Jul 23 15:32:54 <smyows> i have compiled a new zImage
Jul 23 15:32:59 <smyows> and modules too
Jul 23 15:33:17 <smyows> but the modules is on the default tree kernel
Jul 23 15:33:48 <smyows> drivers/usb  ...  net/  ....fs/
Jul 23 15:34:24 <smyows> is necessary to put all modules on root /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/,
Jul 23 15:34:30 <smyows> or not
Jul 23 15:35:22 <Atarii> smyows what did you use to compile the kernel?
Jul 23 15:35:28 <Atarii> environment i mean
Jul 23 15:36:07 <smyows> make zImage && make modules && make modules_install
Jul 23 15:36:11 <smyows> on sbox
Jul 23 15:37:07 <qwerty12> running make makes an zImage and modules in one step
Jul 23 15:37:24 <smyows> o>
Jul 23 15:38:03 <smyows> qwerty12, is necessary to put all modules on /lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/? or works levening original kernel tree
Jul 23 15:38:39 <qwerty12> I wouldn't leave the modules as the original kernel tree. Nokia don't seem to do it like that, they have one folder for all their modules.
Jul 23 15:39:15 <smyows> hmm
Jul 23 15:39:16 <smyows> ok
Jul 23 15:53:17 <Khertan> i ve added many times rss of maemo.org/downloads to rss reader
Jul 23 15:58:42 <qwerty12> lcuk: ping
Jul 23 15:59:35 <Khertan> pong
Jul 23 15:59:56 <qwerty12> :P
Jul 23 16:00:57 <zfigz> Hey
Jul 23 16:01:07 <zfigz> Does anyone know of a good WEP hacker for the n810?
Jul 23 16:02:50 <zfigz> I found this
Jul 23 16:02:52 <zfigz> http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=maemo/nokia-770-800-hacking-pen-testing
Jul 23 16:03:10 <Proteous> hard to write one since the low level wireless card drivers aren't open
Jul 23 16:03:15 <Proteous> so no packet injection
Jul 23 16:03:28 <Proteous> you can sniff though
Jul 23 16:03:49 <zfigz> What's the best app to get for that kinda stuff?
Jul 23 16:03:59 <Proteous> don't know myself
Jul 23 16:04:05 <Proteous> haven't really look into it
Jul 23 16:04:45 * qwerty12 wonders if I should piss off lcuk with an preinst script... :P
Jul 23 16:06:31 <Mousey> gpe filemanager size mismatch?
Jul 23 16:06:49 <qwerty12> apt-get/hildon application error message?
Jul 23 16:06:53 <Mousey> yup
Jul 23 16:07:01 <Khertan> you can resume by 'gpe mismatch' ...
Jul 23 16:07:15 <qwerty12> Mousey: You may want to try getting the deb file manually and using dpkg.
Jul 23 16:07:24 <Mousey> yaaaay
Jul 23 16:07:37 <Khertan> i ve see many error in the extras cauldron builder mailing list about gpe
Jul 23 16:08:26 <Khertan> come back to home ...
Jul 23 16:08:38 <Khertan> byebye ... :)
Jul 23 16:14:30 <hrw> bye guys
Jul 23 16:16:43 <zfigz> so no one knows of a wep hacker for the n810?
Jul 23 16:16:59 <Mousey> aircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw?
Jul 23 16:18:48 <lonetwin> maybe I'm being lazy, but i just can't find a plucker port from http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/maemo/plucker.shtml for OS2008 ...is there one available ?
Jul 23 16:19:09 <qwerty12> I believe FBReader reads Plucker files
Jul 23 16:19:18 <qwerty12> Unless it's *plucker* you really need.
Jul 23 16:19:25 <zfigz> Where can I get aircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw?
Jul 23 16:19:28 <lonetwin> I do need plucker
Jul 23 16:19:48 <lonetwin> the absence of auto-scroll is really getting to me :(
Jul 23 16:19:57 <qwerty12> lonetwin: The source is there, let's see if this compiles. I don't know if a plucker port for Os2008 is available.
Jul 23 16:21:02 <Mousey> i donno. um, apt-get install aircrack-ng?
Jul 23 16:21:16 <zfigz> Do I need to add a catalog/repository to app manager?
Jul 23 16:21:34 <lonetwin> qwerty12: yeah, I've been searching for a couple of days ...seems like it wasn't ever ported to OS2008 ...as far as autoscroll for fbreader is concerned, all that I see is a bug report ..but no indication whether there is work happening on it
Jul 23 16:22:02 <Mousey> on http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ there's a repo titled MUlliNER.ORG Maemo Software (Maemo 4.x), maybe that's where i got it?
Jul 23 16:22:04 <qwerty12> Hmm, too much deps for me to compile plucker atm. I'm busy with packaging liqbase atm :). Sorry, I'll see if I can try again sometime.
Jul 23 16:23:46 <zfigz> thanks mousey
Jul 23 16:23:49 <lonetwin> qwerty12: no issues :) ...hope someone has the skills, inclination and time to do that
Jul 23 16:24:09 <qwerty12> Hmm, any way to see what exit code a program returns?
Jul 23 16:24:24 <qwerty12> Oh, never mind :)
Jul 23 16:24:36 <Mousey> zfigz: ENJOY BEING EVIL!! MUAAHAHAHAHAHHA
Jul 23 16:24:40 <Mousey> *ahem*
Jul 23 16:24:44 * Mousey idles
Jul 23 16:26:02 <Mousey> OHNOES! Err http://people.mozilla.org chinook/extras Packages
Jul 23 16:26:02 <Mousey>   404 Not Found
Jul 23 16:26:13 <Mousey> doh, sorry
Jul 23 16:26:18 * Mousey idles more
Jul 23 16:26:36 <zfigz> mousey, i'm trying to find it in this repos
Jul 23 16:26:50 <zfigz> which one is best to use?
Jul 23 16:27:16 <Khertan_n810> Hi again ! :)
Jul 23 16:27:29 <dougt> has anyone used the state system_inactivity_ind from osso_hw_set_event_cb()
Jul 23 16:27:37 <crashanddie> zfigz, there's no packet injection on the tablet
Jul 23 16:27:41 <qwerty12> Ok, anyone know of a sample script that uses if statements to run something based on status values?
Jul 23 16:27:45 <qwerty12> hi Khertan_n810
Jul 23 16:27:52 <zfigz> crash, so it won't work?
Jul 23 16:27:55 <zfigz> ircrack-ng and aircrack-ptw will not work?
Jul 23 16:28:04 <crashanddie> zfigz, well, they'll work
Jul 23 16:28:07 <zfigz> but?
Jul 23 16:28:15 <crashanddie> but you'll need to wait *very* *very* long on a normal sized network
Jul 23 16:29:05 <crashanddie> qwerty12, define script
Jul 23 16:29:25 <qwerty12> crashanddie: Bash script, if I understand you right.
Jul 23 16:29:45 <crashanddie> qwerty12, define status values ? Variables ?
Jul 23 16:29:50 <zfigz> bummer
Jul 23 16:29:59 <qwerty12> crashanddie: exit codes returned by a program
Jul 23 16:30:18 <Mousey> hi, question;
Jul 23 16:30:25 * qwerty12 script skills are severely lacking
Jul 23 16:30:30 <Mousey> W: Conflicting distribution: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com diablo Release (expected diablo but got )
Jul 23 16:30:32 <Mousey> ??
Jul 23 16:31:08 * Mousey tries rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists ; mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial ; apt-get update
Jul 23 16:31:11 * Khertan_n810 think that all script should be made in python
Jul 23 16:31:20 * qwerty12 doesn't
Jul 23 16:31:28 * Mousey disagrees, and thinks they should be ruby
Jul 23 16:31:31 <qwerty12> sh is standard. Python isn't.
Jul 23 16:31:40 * Mousey disagrees with that too, and thinks they should be perl
Jul 23 16:32:01 <crashanddie> qwerty12, if [ $VAR -eq "0" ]; then echo "Program exited AOK"
Jul 23 16:32:04 <crashanddie> fi
Jul 23 16:32:10 <Khertan_n810> qwerty > sh should be deprecated, python should be standard
Jul 23 16:32:13 <qwerty12> crashanddie: Thank you
Jul 23 16:32:26 <crashanddie> python sucks
Jul 23 16:32:28 <qwerty12> ^
Jul 23 16:32:30 <Mousey> Khertan_n810: that's silly, what are you a windows users?
Jul 23 16:33:20 <Khertan_n810> lol i ve no windows at home
Jul 23 16:33:42 <Mousey> i admit tho, i'd trade busybox in for a proper shell. but that'd require more memory/faster cpu/more space
Jul 23 16:33:43 <Khertan_n810> python is debian base
Jul 23 16:33:46 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 16:33:58 <Mousey> python and debian are mutually exclusive
Jul 23 16:34:08 <Mousey> tho i <3 debian as much as the next penguin
Jul 23 16:34:14 <crashanddie> to both Mousey and Khertan_n810: the whole point of "the shell" is to have something around the linux kernel that provides basic input/output functions. You don't want to have to run something atop of that. Like a perl interpreter, or a python interpreter.
Jul 23 16:34:30 <Mousey> crashanddie: i was being silly =P
Jul 23 16:34:43 <Khertan_n810> crashanddie > i know ...
Jul 23 16:34:46 * qwerty12 doesn't also feel like having to import modules each time to do a simple thing
Jul 23 16:34:53 <Mousey> and have you never heard of psh?
Jul 23 16:35:01 <crashanddie> yet another sh ?
Jul 23 16:35:07 <Mousey> PERLsh! ^_^
Jul 23 16:35:12 <Khertan_n810> lol
Jul 23 16:35:14 <crashanddie> yet another sh !
Jul 23 16:35:17 <Mousey> http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/document/psh-1.8.1.html
Jul 23 16:35:20 <Mousey> awesome, eh?
Jul 23 16:35:24 <crashanddie> I'm not even going to click on that
Jul 23 16:35:29 <Mousey> hehehehhe
Jul 23 16:35:31 <Blafasel> psh is the powershell implementation?
Jul 23 16:35:32 <Khertan_n810> bash is in extras devel repository
Jul 23 16:35:35 <qwerty12> Stop it, these sh's are killing me!
Jul 23 16:35:35 <Khertan_n810> huhu
Jul 23 16:35:39 <jaska> sshhhh
Jul 23 16:35:45 * Mousey sticks with ssh
Jul 23 16:35:54 <crashanddie> jaska, now that's python... ssssshhhhhh
Jul 23 16:35:55 <Khertan_n810> ipython will rules all :)
Jul 23 16:35:56 * qwerty12 sticks with ak-47sh
Jul 23 16:36:15 <Khertan_n810> lol
Jul 23 16:36:22 <crashanddie> Khertan_n810, ipython ? Apple's version of python ?
Jul 23 16:36:28 <Mousey> lol
Jul 23 16:36:30 <chelli> http://xkcd.com/353/ :)
Jul 23 16:36:37 <qwerty12> ipython is a python shell for python
Jul 23 16:36:45 <crashanddie> heh
Jul 23 16:36:50 <Khertan_n810> crashanddie > lol
Jul 23 16:37:00 <Khertan_n810> it could be but not
Jul 23 16:37:29 <crashanddie> iPython: "Hi there, my dear user, it seems you have a syntax error, but wait, lemme show you a nice graphical user interface for it, so you don't have to worry about it... Look at the pretty colours... Look at the pretty colours"
Jul 23 16:37:33 <Khertan_n810> hum 5min package still not build
Jul 23 16:37:53 <Mousey> http://xkcd.com/138/
Jul 23 16:38:13 <chelli> :)
Jul 23 16:38:13 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: any complaints about debian yet? ;)
Jul 23 16:38:21 <Khertan_n810> gui in ipython ?
Jul 23 16:38:22 <crashanddie> iBagerra hits iPython: "Djeezus iBagerra, I told you not to try and eat iMougly"
Jul 23 16:38:23 <zfigz> Is anyone familiar on how to use those web crackers?
Jul 23 16:38:39 <zfigz> Aircrack-NG and Aircrack-PTW that is
Jul 23 16:38:49 <derf> "Web crackers" hahaha.
Jul 23 16:38:49 <crashanddie> it's wep
Jul 23 16:38:50 <qwerty12> They ain't web apps.
Jul 23 16:38:51 <crashanddie> not web
Jul 23 16:38:51 <zfigz> I tried to just execute it but it seems to need to work off of a pcap file
Jul 23 16:38:59 <zfigz> er
Jul 23 16:39:04 <zfigz> i meant to say wep
Jul 23 16:39:07 <Khertan_n810> zfigs > a new cereals ?
Jul 23 16:39:09 <qwerty12> So make the pcap file using kismet or the like. Search for them.
Jul 23 16:39:14 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Nope :)
Jul 23 16:39:20 <crashanddie> zfigz, the pcap file being the dump of network traffic
Jul 23 16:39:27 <crashanddie> zfigz, so you need to use aerodump first
Jul 23 16:39:31 <zfigz> Ok, so I need to create that first eh?
Jul 23 16:39:33 <zfigz> Ok
Jul 23 16:39:36 <zfigz> finding aerodump now
Jul 23 16:39:42 <crashanddie> zfigz, jfgi
Jul 23 16:39:42 <AStorm> no, you can use someone else's
Jul 23 16:39:47 <AStorm> provided it's from the same network ;P
Jul 23 16:39:54 <Khertan_n810> and a proper working driver with packet level IV injection
Jul 23 16:40:08 <AStorm> or copious time and traffic on that network
Jul 23 16:40:35 <qwerty12> crashanddie: seconded
Jul 23 16:40:46 <AStorm> once you get about 100k packets, it's almost 100% cracked
Jul 23 16:40:47 <Khertan_n810> 7min to autobuilder to build my packages
Jul 23 16:40:48 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 16:41:19 <zfigz> is there a build of aerodump for maemo?
Jul 23 16:41:30 <zfigz> jfgi?
Jul 23 16:41:32 <AStorm> there is of kismet, but buggy
Jul 23 16:41:33 <crashanddie> zfigz, http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/?q=aircrack+tutorial
Jul 23 16:41:50 <AStorm> crashanddie: you fail at trolling :>
Jul 23 16:42:03 <zfigz> thanks crash
Jul 23 16:42:32 <qwerty12> It's kinda ironic, googling jfgi would have brought justfuckinggoogleit as first result :P
Jul 23 16:42:45 <crashanddie> qwerty12, haha
Jul 23 16:43:00 <crashanddie> AStorm, I do ?
Jul 23 16:43:02 <smyows> to flash new zImage is only type: flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage
Jul 23 16:43:15 <crashanddie> AStorm, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing
Jul 23 16:44:22 <smyows> johnx, to flash nem zimage?  flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage
Jul 23 16:44:34 <smyows> it's correct?
Jul 23 16:44:41 <AStorm> it is
Jul 23 16:44:48 <smyows> o> thx
Jul 23 16:44:49 <AStorm> nah
Jul 23 16:44:56 <AStorm> add --flash-only kernel
Jul 23 16:45:02 <madhav> lcuk: there?
Jul 23 16:45:14 <qwerty12> AStorm: Only if you are flashing Fiasco image.
Jul 23 16:46:06 <Stskeeps> whoa, ITT upped the private message limit
Jul 23 16:46:08 <Stskeeps> finally
Jul 23 16:46:26 <CVirus> aren't there any plans that nokia would release a GSM capable maemo based device ?
Jul 23 16:46:29 * qwerty12 is still at 150 ;).
Jul 23 16:46:38 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: did your rank go up?
Jul 23 16:46:40 <smyows> reboot again :/
Jul 23 16:46:45 <Khertan_n810> cvirus > burk
Jul 23 16:46:46 <AStorm> CVirus: ask Nokia ;P
Jul 23 16:46:54 <CVirus> burk ?
Jul 23 16:47:01 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: i was at 3, so i guess my rank went up
Jul 23 16:47:10 <Stskeeps> i was going insane over having that limit
Jul 23 16:47:14 <Stskeeps> so i'm at 150
Jul 23 16:47:33 <qwerty12> Heh, I think it was a spam measure for n00bies
Jul 23 16:47:49 <Blafasel> Let's all congratulate Stskeeps. Via PM.
Jul 23 16:48:02 <smyows> the n800 starts up but in the X the led buton's on and rebbot
Jul 23 16:48:06 <qwerty12> Lol
Jul 23 16:48:09 <CVirus> Khertan_n810: you're chatting from your n810 ?
Jul 23 16:48:09 <smyows> :/
Jul 23 16:48:41 <qwerty12> CVirus: You can get xchat for the tablet. It's in diablo extras-devel repo
Jul 23 16:48:41 <Khertan_n810> CVirus > yes
Jul 23 16:49:03 <Khertan_n810> or use rtcomm beta
Jul 23 16:49:04 <CVirus> I know that .. I'm just asking :-p
Jul 23 16:49:12 <qwerty12> :P :)
Jul 23 16:49:22 <CVirus> I'm waiting for a gsm enabled maemo-based device though
Jul 23 16:49:38 <Khertan_n810> i m chatting while uploading new version of mcalendar to extras-devl repository
Jul 23 16:49:54 <Khertan_n810> u can wait long years
Jul 23 16:49:54 <smyows> qwerty12, look my config
Jul 23 16:49:57 <smyows> http://www.pastebin.ca/1080922
Jul 23 16:49:58 * Mousey discovers cleaning up his sources.list goes a long way to making his tablet happy and healthy again
Jul 23 16:50:06 <qwerty12> smyows: what about it?
Jul 23 16:50:12 <smyows> what is wrong
Jul 23 16:50:19 <qwerty12> I don't know
Jul 23 16:50:22 <smyows> my device restarting
Jul 23 16:50:38 <smyows> up on the X and led is on and restart
Jul 23 16:51:25 <smyows> anyone look my config :/
Jul 23 16:51:37 <AStorm> CVirus: grab some phone instead
Jul 23 16:51:48 <AStorm> what was that one... with the 800x240 screen or so
Jul 23 16:51:54 <AStorm> Nokia's
Jul 23 16:52:11 <Khertan_n810> the best thing on diablo : xterms bug fixed :)
Jul 23 16:52:12 <AStorm> not Linux, though
Jul 23 16:52:18 <AStorm> which bug?
Jul 23 16:52:18 <CVirus> I think I'll buy a FreeRunner instead
Jul 23 16:52:20 <Mousey> Khertan_n810: what bugs?
Jul 23 16:52:21 <AStorm> close one?
Jul 23 16:52:34 <zfigz> Would this apply to the N810?
Jul 23 16:52:36 <zfigz> Without the ability to capture packets, having aircrack-ng on an iphone is mostly useless.
Jul 23 16:52:36 <Khertan_n810> opening new windows
Jul 23 16:52:47 <Khertan_n810> toolbar duplication
Jul 23 16:52:58 <Mousey> there was an opening new windows bug?
Jul 23 16:53:40 <Mousey> i wish they made uqm for maemo
Jul 23 16:54:03 <Khertan_n810> and exit close now the windows instaed of a blank useless window
Jul 23 16:54:15 <Mousey> oooh, good one
Jul 23 16:54:18 <Blafasel> Khertan_n810: Yep, that one is nice
Jul 23 16:54:46 <AStorm> Khertan_n810: that one is, yay :D
Jul 23 16:55:02 <zfigz> Can the n810 capture packets?
Jul 23 16:55:25 <AStorm> yes
Jul 23 16:55:26 <Blafasel> Yes.
Jul 23 16:55:30 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810: Yep, been fixed in diablo for a long time now :). For chinook, you can build the svn to have the fix.
Jul 23 16:55:32 <AStorm> but we can't inject yet
Jul 23 16:55:33 <Blafasel> Can it inject packets? No.
Jul 23 16:55:35 <Blafasel> ;)
Jul 23 16:55:47 <AStorm> it could, but we'd need a real prism54 port
Jul 23 16:55:57 <zfigz> So should I even bother using Aircrack-ng?
Jul 23 16:56:08 <Blafasel> AStorm: Well, as far as I know no one is looking at it?
Jul 23 16:56:11 <Blafasel> zfigz: No.
Jul 23 16:56:42 <AStorm> Blafasel: there was some patch
Jul 23 16:56:54 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Don't want to annoy, but I'm curious if you had a spare minute looking at lcuk's stuff/packaging liqbase?
Jul 23 16:57:11 <qwerty12> Blafasel: I'm working on it right now ;)
Jul 23 16:57:13 <Blafasel> AStorm: Interesting, thanks
Jul 23 16:57:23 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Yay!
Jul 23 16:57:36 <qwerty12> Just got to add my sudoers file to the right place and make a quick desktop file
Jul 23 16:57:42 <Khertan_n810> uploading application in extras devel in the subway ... a luxury goodies ... :)
Jul 23 16:57:50 <zfigz> man, it'd be so cool to easily crack wep encrypted networks.
Jul 23 16:57:52 <zfigz> argh
Jul 23 16:57:56 <zfigz> wifimax please come soon
Jul 23 16:58:06 * qwerty12 has so much methods of being root, if my sudo fux up, I can still get in :P
Jul 23 16:58:20 <Mousey> zfigz: just need the driver to support monitoring mode
Jul 23 16:58:26 <Mousey> the CPU's a bit underpowered
Jul 23 16:58:40 <AStorm> qwerty12: humm?
Jul 23 16:58:48 <AStorm> you're working on a prism54 port?
Jul 23 16:58:55 <zfigz> yeah, it is
Jul 23 16:58:56 <Mousey> i don't know enuff about the chipset or the driver...
Jul 23 16:58:59 <Blafasel> AStorm: No, on packaging liqbase
Jul 23 16:58:59 <Mousey> it's prism54?
Jul 23 16:59:03 <Khertan_n810> wimax ... i hope there more network in other countries than in france
Jul 23 16:59:10 <zfigz> yeah, that's it
Jul 23 16:59:12 <zfigz> wimax
Jul 23 16:59:12 <Khertan_n810> don t know any :)
Jul 23 16:59:12 <Mousey> i want my own wimax router!
Jul 23 16:59:24 <qwerty12> AStorm: No, I'm just hoping my sudoers file doesn't mess up :). If it does, no worries to me.
Jul 23 17:00:15 <Khertan_n810> mcalendar build OK ! hehe i like my new tools
Jul 23 17:01:01 <Khertan_n810> and thx to all that have made extras builder assisstant possible
Jul 23 17:01:27 <Mousey> wow, apt-get dist-upgrade -- the fastest way to fux0r your tablet really good
Jul 23 17:01:50 <Mousey> why is it installing bash corutils debianutils, et al. is diablo really based on not-busybox?
Jul 23 17:02:15 <mgedmin> you probably have the wrong repositories configured
Jul 23 17:02:22 <Mousey> THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!
Jul 23 17:02:26 <Mousey> ^_^
Jul 23 17:02:44 <Mousey> k, well maybe. i have about 34352346134512 repos in my sources.list
Jul 23 17:02:50 <mgedmin> SDK repo on the device + apt-get dist-upgrade = brick
Jul 23 17:02:58 <qwerty12> Mousey: Exaggerate much? :P
Jul 23 17:03:13 <Mousey> ^_^
Jul 23 17:03:15 <mgedmin> which is why the tools were split into a separate repo
Jul 23 17:03:48 <Mousey> ah
Jul 23 17:04:08 <Khertan_n810> don t use sdk repo on a real device
Jul 23 17:04:10 <Khertan_n810> !!!!!
Jul 23 17:04:16 * qwerty12 uses it fine
Jul 23 17:04:42 <Khertan_n810> is there a delay between build on extras builder and the availability in repository ?
Jul 23 17:04:44 <Mousey> i've trashed the OS on my tablet countless times, i ar teh not afraid!
Jul 23 17:05:02 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810: Oh, yes...
Jul 23 17:05:06 <Khertan_n810> qwerty > but u know what u do
Jul 23 17:05:17 <qwerty12> Mousey: bet you can't beat my record :P
Jul 23 17:05:18 <qwerty12> :)
Jul 23 17:05:31 <Khertan_n810> upgrade with sdk repo could remove some needed packages
Jul 23 17:05:50 <qwerty12> True, I only have it enabled for libraries which I can't find in extras :)
Jul 23 17:05:52 <Mousey> qwerty12: oh? should we paste sources.lists and see who's is bigger? ;)
Jul 23 17:06:19 <qwerty12> Mousey: I know what repo's I use ;). Besides, I've never killed my tablet using apt-get ;)
Jul 23 17:06:33 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 > i ve do it too for dpkg-dev
Jul 23 17:06:33 <Mousey> i've killed it with less
Jul 23 17:07:01 <Mousey> i killed it once by discovering you can't make /usr/share/icons a symlink on another filesystem
Jul 23 17:07:04 <Mousey> that was pretty sad
Jul 23 17:08:25 <Khertan_n810> Moving results to incoming queue
Jul 23 17:08:41 <Khertan_n810> so it s need after build to be moderated
Jul 23 17:08:52 <Khertan_n810> it s not automatic
Jul 23 17:08:55 <Khertan_n810> :(
Jul 23 17:14:37 <lcuk> qwerty12, i was talking through the package last night with crashanddie and im gonna fix a couple of locations, have you already extended the makefile to include an install branch?
Jul 23 17:14:55 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > homecalendar build take less than 1min
Jul 23 17:15:01 <qwerty12> lcuk: Yes, I've also made some changes in the source too regarding locations.
Jul 23 17:15:05 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, nice
Jul 23 17:15:32 <lcuk> ahhh right, dya wanna PM and ill chat
Jul 23 17:15:44 <Khertan_n810> but moving to extras devel is slow too
Jul 23 17:15:52 <Khertan_n810> i think its moderated
Jul 23 17:16:08 <lcuk> it probably is, i cant use it for a liq build system ;)
Jul 23 17:16:44 <Khertan_n810> but once is finished why not :)
Jul 23 17:19:23 <Khertan_n810> arg there is error in my packages
Jul 23 17:19:43 <lcuk> thats not good Khertan_n810, your package should be perfect
Jul 23 17:19:52 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 17:20:13 <Khertan_n810> it s mainly because i place binary at wrong location
Jul 23 17:20:51 <lcuk> i have that trouble
Jul 23 17:24:46 <Khertan_n810> trouble ?
Jul 23 17:26:12 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, binaries in the wrong place :S
Jul 23 17:26:39 * lcuk doesnt know his arse from his elbow and gets shouted at by linux doods cos of his choices
Jul 23 17:30:49 <Khertan_n810> back
Jul 23 17:30:58 <Khertan_n810> connection drop in train
Jul 23 17:31:13 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, you still hacking your connection through DNS?
Jul 23 17:31:41 <Khertan_n810> yes :)
Jul 23 17:32:55 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, :) so that circumvents the payments?
Jul 23 17:33:20 <Blafasel> lcuk: Only for braindead access points ;)
Jul 23 17:33:45 <Blafasel> But it _is_ nice, I give you that. Used it in switzerland quite regularly.
Jul 23 17:33:46 <Khertan_n810> shut ...
Jul 23 17:33:53 <Blafasel> ;)
Jul 23 17:34:23 <Khertan_n810> telephony operator in france are all dumb
Jul 23 17:34:53 <Blafasel> Nice
Jul 23 17:34:54 <Khertan_n810> i ll not pay 49 Euro for a limited to http and https data plan
Jul 23 17:35:03 <Blafasel> Wow.
Jul 23 17:35:09 <Khertan_n810> 500Mo by monthss
Jul 23 17:35:13 <Blafasel> 25 Euro, no restrictions that I know
Jul 23 17:36:10 <Blafasel> Although I somehow doubt that they like voip stuff.. Skype and SIP worked from the N810 though
Jul 23 17:36:12 <Khertan_n810> in switzerland ?
Jul 23 17:36:18 <Blafasel> No, Germany
Jul 23 17:36:52 <AStorm> Khertan_n810: 49 Euro? OUTRAGE!
Jul 23 17:37:04 <AStorm> I can get 1G for 60 PLN (about 20 Euro)
Jul 23 17:37:06 <Khertan_n810> they have try to close my data plan has it s an old 6Mo for 6Euros
Jul 23 17:37:12 <AStorm> and not limited to http*
Jul 23 17:37:25 <Khertan_n810> and it doesn t existing anymore
Jul 23 17:37:37 <AStorm> using that for voip is actually more expensive than just calling ;P
Jul 23 17:37:38 <Khertan_n810> by offering an iphone first generation
Jul 23 17:37:56 <Khertan_n810> but i don t want a brick
Jul 23 17:37:57 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 17:42:32 <Mousey> hey developers, is git > svn?
Jul 23 17:43:11 <Blafasel> Depends.
Jul 23 17:43:33 <Blafasel> A lot of people like to hype it recently, but first and foremost it's _different_.
Jul 23 17:43:42 <Blafasel> (With some really cool features)
Jul 23 17:44:50 <Khertan_n810> i hate all this svn , cvs, git
Jul 23 17:45:14 <zap> floppy disks rules, aye
Jul 23 17:45:29 <Khertan_n810> source server rules
Jul 23 17:45:36 <Khertan_n810> like 4D do it :)
Jul 23 17:45:42 <Khertan_n810> 4d.com
Jul 23 17:45:46 <zap> closed source binaries 4ever
Jul 23 17:47:20 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 23 17:49:08 * Khertan_n810 really should buy a second battery for his 6630
Jul 23 17:49:34 <Khertan_n810> 3g and bluetooth sucks battery really fast
Jul 23 17:55:14 <Khertan_n810> arg application manager don t display package revision number this suck
Jul 23 17:55:31 <Khertan_n810> what is the command line to see it with apt ?
Jul 23 17:56:38 <Blafasel> apt-cache policy packagename?
Jul 23 17:56:49 <Blafasel> From memory, untested
Jul 23 17:57:57 <Khertan_n810> it display 0.2.3 0 instead of 0.2.3 1
Jul 23 17:57:59 <Khertan_n810> bad !
Jul 23 17:59:43 <Khertan_n810> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/mcalendar/
Jul 23 18:00:00 <Khertan_n810> there is no build number in created package
Jul 23 18:00:01 <Blafasel> Did the apt-cache work?
Jul 23 18:00:02 <Khertan_n810> bad
Jul 23 18:00:11 <Khertan_n810> yes
Jul 23 18:00:15 <Blafasel> ok.
Jul 23 18:00:58 <qwerty12_N800> Blafasel, i've managed to package liqbase successfully. just waiting for lcuk to put final touches on it...
Jul 23 18:01:10 <Blafasel> qwerty12_N800: Yay!
Jul 23 18:02:31 <qwerty12_N800> i don't think lcuk will release a package that makes people have to agree that northerners have a dodgy accent or the install will stop... :p
Jul 23 18:03:19 <Stskeeps> i like the beerware license
Jul 23 18:03:19 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 23 18:23:19 <GNUton> Hello
Jul 23 18:23:29 <qwerty12_N800> Hi
Jul 23 18:24:50 <GNUton> hey qwerty12_N800: )
Jul 23 18:25:21 <qwerty12_N800> :)
Jul 23 18:29:58 <lcuk> liqsoft: software development and washing machine repair
Jul 23 18:31:32 <TPC> hello everyone
Jul 23 18:32:34 <TPC> I'm trying to run kismet (which I found at http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20888) and it seems to work fine
Jul 23 18:32:43 <RST38h> lcuk
Jul 23 18:32:45 <TPC> but after I shut it down I can't get the normal wifi to work again
Jul 23 18:33:05 <lcuk> yer RST38h
Jul 23 18:33:05 <TPC> first of all there are still kismet and kismet_server threads, which won't die unless I use kill -9
Jul 23 18:33:20 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, had a chance to look over the 2 emails?
Jul 23 18:33:25 <TPC> according to a forum serach ifconfig wlan0 down; ifconfig wlan0 up; should restore things, but it doesn't
Jul 23 18:33:25 <AStorm> kismet for n8x0 is buggy, yes
Jul 23 18:33:50 <lcuk> ive just this minute got back upstairs. damn washing machine blew up and took everything with it
Jul 23 18:34:20 <qwerty12_N800> cool. :(, should have used calgon :p
Jul 23 18:34:23 <lcuk> i think some northern grit cot caught in the mechanism
Jul 23 18:34:32 <lcuk> got ^
Jul 23 18:35:03 <RST38h> lcuk: is the roof still there?
Jul 23 18:35:04 <lcuk> the only thing southerners have thats harder than northerners: water
Jul 23 18:35:17 <lcuk> what roof?
Jul 23 18:35:40 <RST38h> it blew upstairs didnt it?
Jul 23 18:36:25 <lcuk> lol nope, it took the electric out: the missus thought it was a general powercut and wouldv sat downstairs in the dark all night :S
Jul 23 18:36:33 <AStorm> lol
Jul 23 18:36:34 <lcuk> well shes goin boozin tonight, but you get the idea
Jul 23 18:36:37 <RST38h> hehe
Jul 23 18:36:56 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Jul 23 18:37:11 * RST38h seen a major transformer blowout once
Jul 23 18:37:31 <lcuk> yer, when megatron got shot it was cool
Jul 23 18:38:01 <qwerty12_N800> i knew someone would say something like that :p
Jul 23 18:38:11 <lcuk> right, i see i have a package - time to have a look and a play.  thank you so very much for this qwerty
Jul 23 18:38:19 <RST38h> thought IT has started for a moment
Jul 23 18:38:40 <RST38h> Flash covered pretty much third of the sky
Jul 23 18:39:20 <lcuk> yer, electricity is dangerous m'kay
Jul 23 18:39:30 <RST38h> took AC out for blocks around
Jul 23 18:39:36 * lcuk turned the washer on with a woodenspoon
Jul 23 18:39:47 <crashanddie> bad idea lol
Jul 23 18:40:06 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, no problems :). you may wanna read up on the postinst.ex and shift some commands in my postinst to only run when the package is being installed, not upgraded
Jul 23 18:40:23 <lcuk> yes, and remove the northerner stuff
Jul 23 18:40:34 <lcuk> crashanddie, :) qwerty12_N800 has made me a package :D
Jul 23 18:40:47 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk , i like that touch :p
Jul 23 18:40:47 <crashanddie> oh, nice :)
Jul 23 18:41:48 <RST38h> lcuk: and if it still moves, kill it again with a spoon!
Jul 23 18:42:11 <crashanddie> lcuk, next time, use something made of plastic
Jul 23 18:42:39 <lcuk> wood will do - its dry and we arent exactly talking thousands of amps
Jul 23 18:42:45 * qwerty12_N800 would recommend metal but that is just cruel.
Jul 23 18:42:57 <lcuk> RST38h, ok next time the washer comes attacking me
Jul 23 18:43:10 <RST38h> qwerty: or bare fingers
Jul 23 18:43:20 <qwerty12_N800> ooh, even better
Jul 23 18:43:28 <crashanddie> there's better
Jul 23 18:43:59 <crashanddie> soak yourself in lemon juice before touching it :)
Jul 23 18:44:14 <lcuk> tell you what - ill stand in the bath and make sure im really wet and dripping before i do it again :D
Jul 23 18:44:29 * qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the story where a man got killed  for pissing on a electric fence
Jul 23 18:44:37 <lcuk> lol - ill get a nice saltbath to help ease the burns as well
Jul 23 18:44:42 <RST38h> crash: can I power a server with your body and a pair of metal plates afterwards?
Jul 23 18:44:45 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, yeah, that was a darwin award iirc
Jul 23 18:44:47 <lcuk> yer the guy yesterday pissed on a trainline
Jul 23 18:44:59 <lcuk> 700volts of goodness through your willy
Jul 23 18:45:08 <crashanddie> RST38h, maybe not a server, but a led would light up for a few seconds
Jul 23 18:45:18 <RST38h> qwerty: just yesterday. Uk. Polish migrant.
Jul 23 18:45:41 <crashanddie> is that UK's new anti-immigration plan ?
Jul 23 18:45:43 <RST38h> qwerty: has been pissing onto the hot rail
Jul 23 18:46:05 * qwerty12_N800 lol's and know i am going to hell
Jul 23 18:46:12 <lcuk> http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=229490&in_page_id=2
Jul 23 18:46:27 <RST38h> ore like uncle Chuck collecting his due
Jul 23 18:46:45 <lcuk> one of my mates used to pee on the broken lamppost near us - he had electrolitic piss - for some reason god left him alone to fight another day
Jul 23 18:46:46 <crashanddie> talk about a hard-ON
Jul 23 18:47:16 <crashanddie> lcuk, heh, there's a big lamppost in front of my house
Jul 23 18:47:25 <crashanddie> it has become sort of a sport to try and get it to turn off
Jul 23 18:47:35 <lcuk> cock you leg up
Jul 23 18:48:05 <lcuk> just mail me your nokia first
Jul 23 18:48:18 <crashanddie> heh
Jul 23 18:48:20 <crashanddie> I got it
Jul 23 18:48:28 <crashanddie> he died at Vauxhall Station
Jul 23 18:48:37 <lcuk> hang on - the picture from the metro i just posted
Jul 23 18:48:41 <qwerty12_N800> piss on the nokia and then send it :p
Jul 23 18:48:54 <lcuk> its got him covered in a tarp in the middle of the platform - thats gotta be one hell of an arc
Jul 23 18:49:01 <overflo> hi lcuk
Jul 23 18:49:12 * RST38h has seen a mystery Nokia store today
Jul 23 18:49:22 <lcuk> store or story?
Jul 23 18:49:25 <RST38h> No phones. No salespeople.
Jul 23 18:49:45 <qwerty12_N800> any phoenix dongles?
Jul 23 18:49:50 <lcuk> i think you need new glasses
Jul 23 18:49:55 <RST38h> Just a rack of some magazines and a girl manning (sic) a desk.
Jul 23 18:49:56 <lcuk> hi overflo
Jul 23 18:50:34 <lcuk> ok, i have to find this package and get it onto my machine now
Jul 23 18:50:37 * lcuk is excited
Jul 23 18:50:41 <lcuk> back soon
Jul 23 18:52:27 <crashanddie> I'm tempted to put "* lcuk is exited (lcuk) back soon" in the topic
Jul 23 18:52:54 <lcuk> better than the notice about the sprint message
Jul 23 18:52:55 <lcuk> gfi
Jul 23 18:53:52 <RST38h> btw, anybody read this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/23/nokia_community_paid_for/   ?
Jul 23 18:54:45 <lcuk> yes, and i agree - but every single one of us put money in our pockets before we ever found out about nokias campaigning (ie summit sponsorship)
Jul 23 18:55:06 <lcuk> we bought our devices because we thought they were cool
Jul 23 18:55:13 <lcuk> at least i did
Jul 23 18:55:44 <RST38h> I think article mostly talks about the phones
Jul 23 18:56:04 <RST38h> n95 hype was completely blown out of proportions
Jul 23 18:57:00 <RST38h> aas was covering it for days and days almost like if it were iphone
Jul 23 19:02:19 <crashanddie> "The Nokia N95 8GB also boasts a new luminous 2.8" QVGA display - one of the largest ever for a multimedia computer"
Jul 23 19:02:27 <crashanddie> *looks at 22" screen"
Jul 23 19:02:31 <crashanddie> Wait, what ?
Jul 23 19:03:37 <||cw> heh
Jul 23 19:03:53 <qwerty12_N800> nokia's arrogance about the n95 pissed me off though
Jul 23 19:05:52 <RST38h> it was a brick with semidecent camera and a horrible price
Jul 23 19:06:02 <AStorm> lol
Jul 23 19:06:22 <AStorm> Nokia made no decent and cheap phone recently
Jul 23 19:06:28 <AStorm> I want some "tether"
Jul 23 19:06:32 <RST38h> e51
Jul 23 19:06:39 <AStorm> it's not cheap
Jul 23 19:06:45 <AStorm> and it's huge
Jul 23 19:06:51 <RST38h> and some xxxx phones
Jul 23 19:06:56 <RST38h> e51 is tiny
Jul 23 19:07:04 <AStorm> yeah sure
Jul 23 19:07:13 <RST38h> xpress music phones are also tiny and cheap
Jul 23 19:07:18 <qwerty12_N800> s/xxxx/xxx/ and nokia may have a best-seller
Jul 23 19:07:24 <AStorm> RST38h: unavailable here :(
Jul 23 19:07:33 <RST38h> astorm: where?
Jul 23 19:08:03 <AStorm> Poland
Jul 23 19:08:31 <crashanddie> well
Jul 23 19:08:34 <crashanddie> you're in Poland
Jul 23 19:08:41 <crashanddie> you're not allowed to whine about phones then :P
Jul 23 19:08:43 <AStorm> I'm fucked, hell yeah ;P
Jul 23 19:08:54 <crashanddie> AStorm, get on the boat
Jul 23 19:09:00 <AStorm> hahaha
Jul 23 19:09:01 <AStorm> can't
Jul 23 19:09:06 <AStorm> I get free studies here ;P
Jul 23 19:09:26 <crashanddie> bleh
Jul 23 19:09:28 <crashanddie> studies
Jul 23 19:09:29 <AStorm> actually, I'll be paid ;P
Jul 23 19:09:29 <lcuk> "How to connect to internetwork with dialup"
Jul 23 19:09:31 <crashanddie> who cares about them
Jul 23 19:09:41 <AStorm> (for studying ;P )
Jul 23 19:09:42 <crashanddie> internetwork ?
Jul 23 19:09:53 <AStorm> crashanddie: sounds like 1992 howto ;P
Jul 23 19:10:05 <crashanddie> actually
Jul 23 19:10:14 <crashanddie> I saw a bluetooth dial up modem
Jul 23 19:10:26 <qwerty12_N800> 0_o
Jul 23 19:10:28 <crashanddie> no batteries, no power needed
Jul 23 19:10:31 <AStorm> lol
Jul 23 19:10:35 <crashanddie> completely powered by the phone line
Jul 23 19:10:43 <lcuk> AStorm, i hear you can get a great deal on a motorola startac
Jul 23 19:10:49 <AStorm> where?
Jul 23 19:11:00 <AStorm> HSDPA would be a nice touch
Jul 23 19:11:05 <crashanddie> HSDPA ?
Jul 23 19:11:18 <AStorm> crashanddie: yeah, 3.5G
Jul 23 19:11:24 <crashanddie> do you even have GSM in Poland ?
Jul 23 19:11:24 <lcuk> HalfSpeedDialuPAccess
Jul 23 19:11:28 <AStorm> crashanddie: ....
Jul 23 19:11:34 <AStorm> lcuk: lolllolllol
Jul 23 19:11:47 <AStorm> crashanddie: right now I may buy some Samsung U700
Jul 23 19:11:54 <crashanddie> samsung is good
Jul 23 19:12:10 <crashanddie> I bought a D500E a few years back
Jul 23 19:12:16 <crashanddie> works fine, no problem whatsoever
Jul 23 19:12:22 <crashanddie> It even swims !
Jul 23 19:12:42 <qwerty12_N800> bluetooth was dodgy on d500 :/
Jul 23 19:12:44 <AStorm> that U700 is funny, touchpad-keys
Jul 23 19:13:11 <crashanddie> (I fell in the pool with it a few times, left it in the soaring rain, whatever, battery was drained, but worked fine once recharged)
Jul 23 19:13:31 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, I never had problems with BT on it, what kind of problems ?
Jul 23 19:14:26 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, a lot of the time, the bluetooth would jam on it. i'd have to remove the battery a few times
Jul 23 19:15:19 <crashanddie> well
Jul 23 19:15:24 <crashanddie> It kinda fell out of the car
Jul 23 19:15:32 <crashanddie> so I had to glue the battery
Jul 23 19:15:56 <crashanddie> I think it might be problematic once I move to the UK and want to insert a new sim card
Jul 23 19:16:29 <qwerty12_N800> use your french one and enjoy the high bills :p
Jul 23 19:17:01 * qwerty12_N800 wore away the screws on my k750 :/
Jul 23 19:17:03 <crashanddie> I have like 0.3euros worth of credit on it
Jul 23 19:17:42 <qwerty12_N800> you *may* be able to get 10 seconds of calling time to /any/ uk phone
Jul 23 19:18:17 <AStorm> or 50 KB of data
Jul 23 19:18:53 <crashanddie> 0.3euro ?
Jul 23 19:18:54 <crashanddie> You crazy
Jul 23 19:18:55 <qwerty12_N800> using the credit for prank calls is more fun
Jul 23 19:19:00 <crashanddie> that's 2sms' in france
Jul 23 19:19:15 <RST38h> astorm: if you are going to germany for the summit buy one there
Jul 23 19:19:37 <RST38h> astorm: otherwise the closest location is .ua
Jul 23 19:19:54 <crashanddie> RST38h, you german ?
Jul 23 19:19:58 <AStorm> RST38h: sorry, too expensive
Jul 23 19:20:17 <crashanddie> AStorm, not coming to the Summit ?
Jul 23 19:20:40 <RST38h> crash: nope
Jul 23 19:20:57 <crashanddie> RST38h, you coming ?
Jul 23 19:21:01 <RST38h> astorm: how much is inexpensive anyway?
Jul 23 19:21:14 <RST38h> crash: nope - work and lack of funds
Jul 23 19:21:22 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h comes from the land of asm masterminds
Jul 23 19:21:29 <AStorm> I get that samsung with a plan for 300 PLN (1 EURO = 3.22 PLN)
Jul 23 19:21:32 <crashanddie> RST38h, where you at ?
Jul 23 19:21:42 <AStorm> the plan is 35 PLN monthly
Jul 23 19:21:53 <crashanddie> when is poland switching to Euro ?
Jul 23 19:22:02 <AStorm> some time, who knows ;P
Jul 23 19:22:12 <AStorm> it was planned to have been this year
Jul 23 19:22:17 <AStorm> BUT ;P
Jul 23 19:22:19 <crashanddie> how long you been in the EU ?
Jul 23 19:22:23 <RST38h> crash: moscow
Jul 23 19:22:27 <AStorm> since 2003 or so?
Jul 23 19:22:32 <crashanddie> djeezus
Jul 23 19:22:34 <AStorm> wait, I'd have to check
Jul 23 19:22:36 <AStorm> maybe longer
Jul 23 19:22:40 <RST38h> astorm: lemme search...
Jul 23 19:22:51 <crashanddie> about time you guys got the right to use a real currency :D
Jul 23 19:22:58 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland
Jul 23 19:23:10 * qwerty12_N800 doesn't want uk to use euro. gbp ftp
Jul 23 19:23:11 <AStorm> crashanddie: well, trick is the salaries still will be too low ;P
Jul 23 19:23:12 <crashanddie> asedeno, keep it up a bit and 1PLN will = $1
Jul 23 19:23:18 <qwerty12_N800> *ftw
Jul 23 19:23:42 <AStorm> yeah 2003 was dead on
Jul 23 19:23:55 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, how does that work out btw
Jul 23 19:24:17 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, and where do you live ?
Jul 23 19:24:34 <RST38h> astorm: this limit disqualifies all the s60 phones :(
Jul 23 19:25:00 <crashanddie> I have to go to moscow
Jul 23 19:25:18 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, no idea :/. all i know is that things would be more expensive under euro
Jul 23 19:25:24 <AStorm> RST38h: well, indeed ;P
Jul 23 19:25:38 <AStorm> all things are already more expensive ;P
Jul 23 19:25:47 <crashanddie> heh... Nice quote again...
Jul 23 19:25:57 <crashanddie> (crashanddie) qwerty12_N800, and where do you live ?
Jul 23 19:25:58 <crashanddie> (qwerty12_N800) crashanddie, no idea :/
Jul 23 19:26:02 <AStorm> and this country sucks, because of this:
Jul 23 19:26:02 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, London but i'm from the north like lcuk but w/out the dodgy accent :p
Jul 23 19:26:08 <AStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time
Jul 23 19:26:11 <AStorm> note the graph
Jul 23 19:26:16 <AStorm> and we get paid too little
Jul 23 19:26:22 <AStorm> I'll move later ;P
Jul 23 19:26:24 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, oooooh, you in London ?
Jul 23 19:26:35 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, yeah
Jul 23 19:26:42 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, where ? NSEW ?
Jul 23 19:26:49 <RST38h> astorm: but if you are willing to shell out $150-200 - get e51 from us
Jul 23 19:27:29 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, East London. west ham station is near me, shame i don't support them :p
Jul 23 19:28:06 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, oooooooh
Jul 23 19:28:16 <crashanddie> qwerty12_N800, what ya doing next weekend ?
Jul 23 19:28:20 <crashanddie> :D
Jul 23 19:28:21 <AStorm> RST38h: I can get e51 here
Jul 23 19:28:32 <AStorm> cheaper than $200 ;P
Jul 23 19:28:40 <AStorm> BUT I don't need it
Jul 23 19:28:42 <RST38h> Astorm: cool
Jul 23 19:28:43 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie, going up north :p
Jul 23 19:28:45 <AStorm> and it's larger than U700
Jul 23 19:28:53 <AStorm> :>
Jul 23 19:28:53 <crashanddie> shit
Jul 23 19:29:03 <RST38h> well if you are just tethering then u100
Jul 23 19:29:13 <RST38h> thinner than u700 afaik
Jul 23 19:29:34 <AStorm> hmm, not just tethering, well, calls aren't excluded
Jul 23 19:30:29 <anddam> hello
Jul 23 19:31:00 <crashanddie> shush, he's here now, don't talk about it
Jul 23 19:31:06 <crashanddie> hi anddam :)
Jul 23 19:31:13 <RST38h> it can call too =)
Jul 23 20:02:49 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: i've had mercy on you non sshable people. ./debian-installer -noscreen
Jul 23 20:02:53 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: :P
Jul 23 20:03:28 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps, it's too late to save my soul, copy and paste ftw :p
Jul 23 20:03:31 <Stskeeps> qwerty12_N800: hehe
Jul 23 20:09:30 <anddam> what's an adequate price for an used 770 according to you?
Jul 23 20:09:49 <anddam> or better how much would you pay for it?
Jul 23 20:17:46 <||cw> anddam: I'd see what they are going for on ebay and adjust as necessary taking ebay fees and hassle into account
Jul 23 20:18:38 <anddam> ||cw: that's what I did, its prices are quite variable so I asked for an hint
Jul 23 20:19:25 <anddam> I'd say between 70 and 100 euro, best market seems UK but sellers don't like shipping oversea
Jul 23 20:20:24 <anddam> I'd like a cheap unit to play with and eventually get a N8x0 later
Jul 23 20:21:18 <||cw> ebay selling prices vary for many reasons, but most commonly it's condition and clarity of the seller.  if the description is poor, it's less likely to get a bidding war going
Jul 23 20:22:37 <anddam> indeed
Jul 23 20:23:18 <Atarii> ping rm_you
Jul 23 20:24:13 * qwerty12_N800 pings rm_you because Atarii says to do it
Jul 23 20:25:47 <Atarii> gah asleep :(
Jul 23 20:26:17 <Atarii> someone nudge me irl if he comes back
Jul 23 20:32:59 <Cptnodegard> which app shave webcam support?
Jul 23 20:33:09 <Cptnodegard> for chat
Jul 23 20:33:28 * qwerty12_N800 hopes none of them tries shaving the webcam
Jul 23 20:33:28 <lcuk> you might find something on gillette.com
Jul 23 20:33:36 <qwerty12_N800> lol
Jul 23 20:33:38 <dannym> aquatix: hi :)
Jul 23 20:33:46 <Cptnodegard> apps have
Jul 23 20:33:48 <Cptnodegard> :p
Jul 23 20:34:09 <qwerty12_N800> Cptnodegard, google talk = tablet 2 tablet. amsn = tablet to pc
Jul 23 20:34:20 <Cptnodegard> thx
Jul 23 20:34:21 <lcuk> Cptnodegard, lardmans barcode project makes use of it
Jul 23 20:34:26 <lcuk> but not for webcam hotness
Jul 23 20:34:44 <lcuk> Beep: size 36 XXL Grundies
Jul 23 20:34:45 <terbo> officer goes ``whats the keyboard for?``
Jul 23 20:34:51 <terbo> times i wish i was recording.
Jul 23 20:36:34 <anddam> actually a webcam can be really useful to shave, maybe with a 3x zoom
Jul 23 20:37:09 <lcuk> apart from lag you are right
Jul 23 20:37:13 * qwerty12_N800 waits for the next gilette patent...
Jul 23 20:40:09 <GAN800> This soft poweroff bullshit is getting ridiculous.
Jul 23 20:40:28 <GAN800> I don't think Mr. Weinehall even reads the goddamn bugs.
Jul 23 20:41:09 <elekt> haha
Jul 23 20:41:14 <GAN800> Everybody go vote on those bugs.
Jul 23 20:41:23 <Proteous> I already voted 43 times
Jul 23 20:41:24 <elekt> you bleed before you see it
Jul 23 20:41:31 <Proteous> I just don't feel right voting more then that
Jul 23 20:41:52 <qwerty12_N800> If rtcomm repo is updated for diablo + dsm svn on garage got haxed, we could fix it ourselves...
Jul 23 20:42:41 <GAN800> qwerty12, at this point it's getting to be a little less about the bug and a little more about teaching Nokia that we aren't retarded idiots
Jul 23 20:43:04 <Proteous> what you say!
Jul 23 20:43:29 <Proteous> yaah, noone for us ar idots
Jul 23 20:43:44 <qwerty12_N800> GAN800, I like your thinking. i'll vote for every soft poweroff bug i find.
Jul 23 20:44:31 <elekt> is the guy that ported milkytracker here?
Jul 23 20:46:46 <zap> there are at least two ports of milkytracker
Jul 23 20:47:07 <elekt> i found psykosis' the other day
Jul 23 20:47:17 <elekt> do you know the other one?
Jul 23 20:47:31 <qwerty12_N800> he's sometimes on #maemo
Jul 23 20:47:46 <qwerty12_N800> jott has one too. more integrated.
Jul 23 20:49:10 <GAN800> lol
Jul 23 20:49:19 <smyows> http://www.flickr.com/photos/leahbuechley/2675056150/
Jul 23 20:49:51 <GAN800> He resolved the 'double-key press can enter, but not exit, soft poweroff' bug as WONTFIX
Jul 23 20:50:42 <GAN800> So apparently it's the EXPECTED BEVAHIOR to be able to do hakf the operation with a double-keypress but not all of it
Jul 23 20:50:47 <GAN800> Kill me.
Jul 23 20:50:58 <dannym> Anyone knows off the top of their head where the SCSI CD Linux kernel module is? (I have it already but I want to put the URL for it in the Wiki page now...)
Jul 23 20:54:13 <dannym> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=USB_CDROM_Drive
Jul 23 20:54:43 <GAN800> lol . . . hrw got sucked into itT
Jul 23 20:58:25 <jott> elekt: what's the problem with milkytracker? (i plan to push my version to extras...)
Jul 23 21:00:29 <zfigz> hey
Jul 23 21:00:35 <zfigz> what's the best alternative for text messaging?
Jul 23 21:00:39 <zfigz> SMS that is
Jul 23 21:00:47 <zfigz> I'm using Skype but skype charges a lot for text messaging
Jul 23 21:00:50 <zfigz> I need a free way
Jul 23 21:02:59 <dannym> zfigz: try your cellphone service provider, maybe it has a "free" (ad supported, i.e. adds ads to the end of messages you send) service....
Jul 23 21:03:41 <dannym> zfigz: can you switch both sides' technology?
Jul 23 21:04:55 <zfigz> I don't have a cellphone service
Jul 23 21:05:08 <zfigz> Skype has an option
Jul 23 21:05:19 <zfigz> I'm using my n810 and skype as my pseudo cell phone
Jul 23 21:05:27 <zfigz> http://www.skype.com/prices/smsrates/
Jul 23 21:06:02 <glass> alternative is to get people you send them to on some free service
Jul 23 21:06:06 <glass> im
Jul 23 21:06:25 <glass> by their nature, someone always has to pay for sms's
Jul 23 21:06:36 <glass> or get blocked
Jul 23 21:07:42 <asedeno> crashanddie: huh? I assume you meant AStorm, not asedeno.
Jul 23 21:08:08 <asedeno> (like two hours ago)
Jul 23 21:08:17 <AStorm> crashanddie: hm?
Jul 23 21:08:28 <AStorm> ah, xchat has faily autocomplete
Jul 23 21:08:29 <AStorm> non-MRU
Jul 23 21:10:29 <dannym> yeah, and XChat autocompletes entries even when its ambiguous without even telling it is ambiguous... driving me nuts...{/rant}
Jul 23 21:23:07 <lcuk> anyone know what the md5sum of the md5sum package is?
Jul 23 21:24:13 <dannym> lcuk: which distribution?
Jul 23 21:24:24 <dannym> or was that rethorical ;)
Jul 23 21:24:51 <lcuk> uh huh :) i cant install coreutils (which contains it) on my n810 - it would remove busybox (which isnt a problem..)
Jul 23 21:27:17 <lcuk> i gather i would be ok to just build the coreutils in scratchbox and copy the couple of required things over?
Jul 23 21:27:29 <lcuk> jott
Jul 23 21:27:34 <lcuk> this is a question for you mainly lol
Jul 23 21:30:42 <GAN800> replacing busybox with coreutils == reboot loop
Jul 23 21:30:58 <AStorm> yes
Jul 23 21:31:02 <lcuk> GAN800, yer i know
Jul 23 21:31:02 <AStorm> you need busybox
Jul 23 21:31:08 <GAN800> Somebody should put together a set of coreutils compatible boot scripts.
Jul 23 21:31:12 <AStorm> you'd need a replacement busybox package
Jul 23 21:31:19 <AStorm> GAN800: nah, what for
Jul 23 21:31:20 <lcuk> but adding specific items from coreutils != installing coreutils
Jul 23 21:31:23 <AStorm> you can replace /bin/sh
Jul 23 21:31:36 <AStorm> the problem is that something uses /bin/bb directly
Jul 23 21:31:43 <GAN800> AStorm, so you can install coreutils. ;)
Jul 23 21:31:46 <AStorm> if you're missing that, it goes poof
Jul 23 21:31:48 <AStorm> I have them ;P
Jul 23 21:31:55 <AStorm> I have /bin/sh == /bin/bash
Jul 23 21:32:11 <AStorm> but, I hacked busybox not to selfdesctruct
Jul 23 21:32:17 <AStorm> so it's still in the system
Jul 23 21:32:27 <AStorm> while coreutils overwrote all its links
Jul 23 21:32:34 <lcuk> astorm, any chance yuou could mail me a couple of tools out of there compiled for arm?
Jul 23 21:32:44 <lcuk> ie: md5sum and find
Jul 23 21:32:59 <AStorm> no, temporarily out of hd space for sbox
Jul 23 21:33:14 <AStorm> these probably are in the repos
Jul 23 21:33:18 <AStorm> no, certainly
Jul 23 21:33:28 <lcuk> <AStorm> I have them ;P   <<<<
Jul 23 21:33:47 <AStorm> yes yes
Jul 23 21:33:50 <AStorm> I have coreutils
Jul 23 21:33:52 <lcuk> were you not meaning on your device?
Jul 23 21:33:54 <AStorm> *from repos*
Jul 23 21:33:58 <AStorm> on my device
Jul 23 21:34:06 <AStorm> but, you can grab the deb yourself
Jul 23 21:34:12 * lcuk does a search
Jul 23 21:34:16 <AStorm> needs a moderate hack to not uninstall busybox
Jul 23 21:34:23 <AStorm> extras-devel I think
Jul 23 21:34:25 <lcuk> oh cripes
Jul 23 21:34:29 <AStorm> or extras
Jul 23 21:34:57 <GAN800> Mousey, what did I tell you everytime you bragged about how big your sources.list was?
Jul 23 21:35:03 * GAN800 eyeroll
Jul 23 21:35:50 <lcuk> astorm, i dread to ask, what is the "moderate hack" you speak of?
Jul 23 21:36:19 <AStorm> some /var cache file hack
Jul 23 21:36:22 <lcuk> its listed in chinook extras, i knew that anyway cos it tells me i cant use it without removing busybox
Jul 23 21:36:30 <AStorm> to change a bunch of deps to busybox || coreutils
Jul 23 21:36:40 <AStorm> and remove the conflict
Jul 23 21:36:43 <GAN800> dannym, I think 'External 3G modem' or 'USB 3G modem' would be a better article title.
Jul 23 21:36:58 <GAN800> It's acronym overload as-is
Jul 23 21:37:12 <lcuk> oh cripes again
Jul 23 21:37:31 <AStorm> /var/lib/apt sth or another
Jul 23 21:37:38 <AStorm> I'd have to check
Jul 23 21:37:38 <dannym> GAN800: is only "3G" specific enough?
Jul 23 21:37:49 <lcuk> AStorm, its ok, ill do without
Jul 23 21:38:08 <lcuk> if i try i know ill end up blowing my system up
Jul 23 21:38:15 <AStorm> nah
Jul 23 21:38:18 <AStorm> you won't
Jul 23 21:38:28 <AStorm> needs some --force overwrite
Jul 23 21:38:47 <dannym> for a kernel module, what Debian Section do I use in the package?
Jul 23 21:39:13 <lcuk> can i just extract individual files form the .deb?
Jul 23 21:39:19 <lcuk> i need 2 binaries
Jul 23 21:39:24 <lcuk> nothing more, nothing less
Jul 23 21:39:28 <jott> lcuk: what do you need?
Jul 23 21:39:36 <lcuk> heh jott, find and md5sum
Jul 23 21:39:46 <lcuk> as you suggested in the first place :)
Jul 23 21:39:51 <AStorm> lcuk: .deb is ar archive
Jul 23 21:39:56 <AStorm> so yes, you can extract them
Jul 23 21:39:59 <lcuk> qwerty has made some tweaks and added me an install path
Jul 23 21:40:15 <jott> you can just extract the coreutils deb..
Jul 23 21:40:17 <jegp> anyone know a torrent to download the lastest diablo for N800?
Jul 23 21:40:31 <lcuk> yer jott, i was just gettin to that i think :)
Jul 23 21:40:46 <jott> http://outpo.st/md5sum
Jul 23 21:41:32 <dannym> lcuk: "dpkg -X "...
Jul 23 21:41:33 <jott> http://outpo.st/find
Jul 23 21:42:04 <lcuk> :D superjott, you are my hero!
Jul 23 21:43:02 * jott flys away
Jul 23 21:46:00 <dannym> GAN800: done
Jul 23 21:46:12 <jott> why does superglue harden on my fingers within seconds and take ages to dry on my broken headset *curse*
Jul 23 21:46:20 <GeneralAntilles> Cool, dannym, much better. ;)
Jul 23 21:46:48 <GeneralAntilles> dannym, you might want to add a [[Category:Users]] at the bottom.
Jul 23 21:48:20 <dannym> GeneralAntilles: done, thanks :)
Jul 23 21:48:38 <GeneralAntilles> That way people can get to it from the front page in a roundabout sort of way. ;)
Jul 23 21:49:01 <Proteous> jott, I harden at the sight of your fingers too, they are sexxxxyyyyy
Jul 23 21:49:55 <GeneralAntilles> Proteous - the Freak me the Hell Out Bot
Jul 23 21:50:00 <Proteous> lol
Jul 23 21:52:11 * GeneralAntilles was going to file bugs and update wikipages today based on last night's Bugzilla meeting.
Jul 23 21:52:20 <GeneralAntilles> But I'm just too goddamn lazy.
Jul 23 21:52:42 <Proteous> damn lazy bastard
Jul 23 21:52:56 <dannym> after a "dpkg-buildpackage" worked, how do I get it to remove all the junk from my workdir again? ("make clean"-like)
Jul 23 21:54:31 <lcuk> thank you dannym that should be part of the process
Jul 23 21:54:41 <lcuk> dh_clean gets run in the middle of it i believe
Jul 23 21:55:00 <lcuk> -thank you lol
Jul 23 21:55:04 <lcuk> that was for jott
Jul 23 21:55:23 <lcuk> but you did help me up there as well so keep it ;)
Jul 23 21:56:20 <dannym> hehehe OK ;)
Jul 23 22:02:52 <dannym> sleeeep... *waves*
Jul 23 22:06:07 * GAN800 really should file a bug about the flasher downloads getting mangled.
Jul 23 22:14:44 <GAN800> Tabs in the FF3 theme for OS X really couldn't make less sense.
Jul 23 22:15:37 <Blafasel> lcuk: Any published version of liqbase already? Skimmed the backlog, must have missed it
Jul 23 22:16:01 <lcuk> hah! not yet im afraid
Jul 23 22:16:13 <Blafasel> Damn. Was worth a try ;)
Jul 23 22:16:26 <lcuk> lol
Jul 23 22:27:50 <Mousey> ^_^
Jul 23 22:38:46 <GeneralAntilles>  Ugh
Jul 23 22:38:56 <GeneralAntilles> fiferboy launches Control panel as part of the installation process.
Jul 23 22:38:58 <GeneralAntilles> What a joke.
Jul 23 22:41:10 <johnx> seems sane to me
Jul 23 22:41:22 <GeneralAntilles> Seems incredibly irritating to me
Jul 23 22:41:37 <GeneralAntilles> But I guess you have to deal with stupid people
Jul 23 22:41:52 <johnx> it would be irritating to get spammed by people who are too dumb to find the settings otherwise
Jul 23 22:41:54 <johnx> exactly
Jul 23 22:43:12 <mikkov_> is fiferboy some application?
Jul 23 22:43:27 <mikkov_> can't find it
Jul 23 22:43:37 <johnx> fiferboy is the name of a forum member who wrote a couple apps
Jul 23 22:43:53 <mikkov_> ah
Jul 23 22:49:08 <mikkov_> packets are moving sometimes very slowly from autobuilder to extras-devel
Jul 23 23:07:04 * GeneralAntilles is really enjoying using the N800 as a phone at home since his house is a faraday cage.
Jul 23 23:19:58 <Blafasel> I'm really, really looking forward to the summit. I hope I get the day off.
Jul 24 00:16:51 <bef0rd> hi.
Jul 24 00:22:31 * Mousey wishes canola crossfaded
Jul 24 00:23:13 <Mousey> no chance someone's porting amarok is there
Jul 24 01:01:56 <Edgester> what is the url for the extras-testing repository? I'd like to test my packages before promoting them.
Jul 24 01:28:22 <zanshin> who can tell me where I can find a kernel which shows boot messages? I have no clue what's happening during boot, and I'm stuck. A 2.6.16.27-omap1 would be nice.
Jul 24 01:32:04 <derf> I think the best you've got is dmesg after it finishes booting.
Jul 24 01:36:26 <zanshin> It doesn't go that far(I think).
Jul 24 01:37:11 <zanshin> that's why I want to see the boot messages. So I can see where I get stuck.
Jul 24 01:39:17 <derf> Yeah... there's no console driver.
Jul 24 01:39:21 <derf> So that's going to be a problem.
Jul 24 01:46:30 <GAN800> zanshin, it's pretty easy, actially.
Jul 24 01:47:00 <GAN800> qwerty12 or johnx can point you in the right direction.
Jul 24 02:00:07 <wolfspirit> hmmm.. so should I sell my n800 and get an n810?  are the extra features worth it?
Jul 24 02:01:07 <GAN800> No.
Jul 24 02:01:10 <Dekaritae> Sell your N800 and buy an R2H
Jul 24 02:01:34 <GAN800> Not unless you really, really love hardware keyboards or use it outdoors a lot.
Jul 24 02:02:54 <wolfspirit> I'm also looking at the open pandora.. but I'm impatient   :)
Jul 24 02:03:53 <GAN800> Pandora doesn't provide any Maemo features yet.
Jul 24 02:04:03 <GAN800> and definitely hasn't shipped.
Jul 24 02:06:13 <wolfspirit> that R2H is too big.. after owning a eeepc for a while I realized I really am wanting a device that fits in my pocket.. the n800 is awesome.. I was just wondering if the integrated GPS and hardware keyboard of the n810 makes it worth getting it over the n800
Jul 24 02:06:31 <wolfspirit> GAN800: yeah pre orders haven't even started yet
Jul 24 02:07:10 <Mercury> wolfspirit: I decided to.
Jul 24 02:07:23 <Mercury> wolfspirit: I just got the n810 today, so I don't know if it was worth it or not.
Jul 24 02:07:36 <Mercury> wolfspirit: The size difference is _really_ handy, and for text entry the keyboard is so very much better.
Jul 24 02:07:44 <Mercury> The lock switch thinggy is handy too.
Jul 24 02:07:52 <Mercury> So far, I have had absolutely no luck at all with the GPS.
Jul 24 02:07:54 <Dekaritae> wolfspirit: Size was one of my reasons for going n800 -> iPT
Jul 24 02:07:58 <wolfspirit> Mercury: size difference?
Jul 24 02:08:17 <Mercury> wolfspirit: The N810 is a little smaller, not a lot, but enough that it actually _fits_ in PDA holsters, and in my hand better.
Jul 24 02:08:22 <Mercury> wolfspirit: And I don't have small hands.
Jul 24 02:08:28 * GAN800 wishes Nokia would pull its head out of its ass and fix soft poweroff
Jul 24 02:08:28 <GAN800> Ha! I figured it put!
Jul 24 02:09:01 <GAN800> THEY DON"T WANT TO FIX SOFT POWEROFF BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SELL MORE N810s!
Jul 24 02:09:11 <Mercury> GAN800: Soft poweroff?
Jul 24 02:09:14 <Mercury> GAN800: What's the issue?
Jul 24 02:09:19 <GAN800> bug #2400
Jul 24 02:09:44 <GAN800> So much better than that locking nonsense.
Jul 24 02:09:55 <Mercury> wolfspirit: Oh, and the keyboard is actually usable for the console, the special charecters all being FN-<something> is a little bit of a pain, but, you can actually _do_ it, well.
Jul 24 02:10:13 <GAN800> One keypress to enter and exit what basically amounts to locking
Jul 24 02:10:14 <Atarii770> O dear  i entered at the wrong time
Jul 24 02:10:21 <Mercury> wolfspirit: Even a uber tiny QWERTY thing is so much _better_ then the on-screen it's not funny.
Jul 24 02:10:33 * GAN800 pokes Atarii with a stick.
Jul 24 02:10:34 <wolfspirit> Mercury: from what I've heard the built in GPS is not as good as bluetooth GPS devices which is one of the reasons I'm kind of hesitant
Jul 24 02:10:37 <Mercury> Now, the GPS simply doesn't work for me, at all.
Jul 24 02:11:07 <Mercury> I can get it to find my location when I go to settings -> GPS and have it look, no problem, lockon time isn't even awful after the first hour of trying.
Jul 24 02:11:12 <GAN800> Mercury, I'd disagree. I really like the finger keyboard myself.
Jul 24 02:11:27 <Mercury> But the map program flatly refuses to actually find my current location based on the GPS.
Jul 24 02:11:31 <GAN800> supld may be stalled.
Jul 24 02:11:54 <Mercury> GAN800: Have you tried using the X term with that?
Jul 24 02:11:57 <Mercury> GAN800: Seriously?
Jul 24 02:12:35 <wolfspirit> Mercury: are you using the default one or maemo maps?
Jul 24 02:13:27 <GAN800> Works well enough for me
Jul 24 02:13:40 <Mercury> wolfspirit: Default one I believe, which may be part of the problem.
Jul 24 02:13:50 <robink> Is lightmediascanner-ogg held up by the OGG fiasco?
Jul 24 02:13:58 <Mercury> robink: OGG fiasco?
Jul 24 02:14:04 <wolfspirit> GAN800: have you tried the gps with bluetooth on the n800 as well as the built in n810 one?
Jul 24 02:15:12 <robink> Mercury: Apparently there's some legal kerfuffle about OGG support
Jul 24 02:16:00 <GAN800> Bluetooth GPS is lightyeas ahead of the N810's
Jul 24 02:17:07 <Mercury> robink: Ah, software patent issues.  And, of course, with nobody being willing to point to a specific patent in public, who the hell knows.
Jul 24 02:18:14 <robink> Sigh
Jul 24 02:18:49 * Mercury idles off.
Jul 24 02:19:05 <ShadowJK> Mercury, well it's pretty easy, pick any random patent, it probably applies to every piece of software installed
Jul 24 02:19:19 <robink> kulve: Would you be willing to package it in a diablo release of ogg-support?
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