**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 24 02:59:56 2008
Jul 24 03:33:28 <robink> Can you get a Nokia N810 to do handwriting recognition?
Jul 24 03:41:30 <terbo> so how many usb vgas can you plug in ...
Jul 24 03:53:35 <tank-man> terbo, do you know of a usb to vga adaptor that works with linux?
Jul 24 03:54:22 <terbo> i suppose anything based on the sis chipset .. a few
Jul 24 04:08:36 <GAN800> terbo, probably not mpre than one
Jul 24 04:08:54 <GAN800> one doesn't really work for real x at this point anyway.
Jul 24 04:10:25 <terbo> :(
Jul 24 04:12:48 <GAN800> You're welcome to help Graham getting it up to speed though. ;)
Jul 24 04:20:32 * terbo pulls out seven code books and a gallon of jolt: lets go
Jul 24 04:45:04 * Stskeeps pokes his coffee machine
Jul 24 06:17:14 <mbuf> the gpscityguide in svn has only the web page? from where can I get the source code?
Jul 24 06:17:16 <mbuf> https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=383
Jul 24 06:18:41 <qwerty12> Ouch. http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/c/cityguide/
Jul 24 06:20:17 <mbuf> qwerty12, thanks!
Jul 24 06:20:30 <qwerty12> np
Jul 24 06:21:21 * qwerty12 is too lazy to attempt editing an configure script in the morning
Jul 24 06:21:52 <mbuf> qwerty12, there is no voice-to-configure script translation available?
Jul 24 06:22:37 <qwerty12> mbuf: Don't think so. I'd probably end up making more mistakes using my voice as it's dry :P
Jul 24 06:22:49 <qwerty12> (well, my mouth is dry even)
Jul 24 06:22:58 <mbuf> qwerty12, :)
Jul 24 06:37:36 <qwerty12> David Weinehall seems to have a nice way of bullshitting.
Jul 24 06:37:46 * qwerty12 is reading the softpower off bugs
Jul 24 07:02:41 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Jul 24 07:03:23 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > autobuilder failed to build my package, it seems related that it fail to get depandancies
Jul 24 07:04:16 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk Release.gpg
Jul 24 07:04:37 <christefano> does anyone know why some sources (i.e. Amazon.com) say the N810 has 800x400 screen resolution?
Jul 24 07:04:52 <Khertan_n810> because it s amazon
Jul 24 07:05:11 <johnx> it's a nice round number?
Jul 24 07:05:26 <XTLi> 2:1...
Jul 24 07:05:27 <christefano> yeah, all good possibilities :)  it just doesn't make any sense
Jul 24 07:05:36 <Khertan_n810> amazon have always error in descripting hifh tech products
Jul 24 07:05:38 <johnx> maybe they cut off 40 pixels (about .2") worth of screen on the ones they sell...
Jul 24 07:06:10 <Khertan_n810> and many store take source of description from amazon
Jul 24 07:06:16 <XTLi> Apple paid them  to say it
Jul 24 07:06:25 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 07:07:24 <johnx> XTLi, "well that's 80 pixels we don't have to compete with!"
Jul 24 07:10:53 <Stskeeps> morning johnx :)
Jul 24 07:11:03 <johnx> morning Stskeeps
Jul 24 07:11:56 <Stskeeps> johnx: i've tried poking the chroot people a bit.. to see if we can make some joint effort with this stuff, since there's a lot of similarities in what we do
Jul 24 07:12:30 <johnx> Stskeeps, what did they say?
Jul 24 07:12:50 <Stskeeps> johnx: well they were positive (thread is on ITT), but they are waiting for qole to be back online
Jul 24 07:13:26 <Stskeeps> and he's expressed interest in going with the installer before to one of them so
Jul 24 07:13:46 <Khertan_n810> pfff autobuilder is unreliable
Jul 24 07:19:59 <Stskeeps> johnx: how was audio caused to work btw?
Jul 24 07:20:25 <johnx> Stskeeps, with gstreamer libs and a DSP service
Jul 24 07:20:31 <johnx> I'm looking at it right now
Jul 24 07:20:33 <Stskeeps> oki
Jul 24 07:20:57 <johnx> have been a little slow these past couple days with work and other priority interrupts :/
Jul 24 07:21:02 <Stskeeps> hehe, i know the feeling
Jul 24 07:21:19 <Stskeeps> i'm leaving for poland early tomorrow morning until 4th, but will be online occasionally
Jul 24 07:21:36 <Stskeeps> johnx: would dsp service cause stuff like /dev/dsp to work or?
Jul 24 07:21:50 <Stskeeps> (i noticed an osso-esd, so)
Jul 24 07:21:58 <johnx> Stskeeps, how do you mean /dev/dsp ?
Jul 24 07:22:22 <johnx> if you mean something you can do 'cat file.wav > /dev/dsp' to, then, no, I think not
Jul 24 07:22:25 <Stskeeps> k
Jul 24 07:22:46 <johnx> but for programming on the DSP yes, that will be possible
Jul 24 07:25:46 <Stskeeps> looking to see if the gstreamer libs for hantro and such could be put in with debian could be interesting too atleast
Jul 24 07:26:16 <johnx> yeah, don't see why not
Jul 24 07:26:28 <Stskeeps> they're also nicely diablo-fetchable so
Jul 24 07:27:16 <aquatix> morning all
Jul 24 07:34:20 <Stskeeps> johnx: looking at osso-esd source, yeah, it uses /dev/dsptask/pcm1 as backend
Jul 24 07:34:29 <johnx> ah, nice
Jul 24 07:34:34 <johnx> I was wrong then
Jul 24 07:34:51 <Stskeeps> it communicates with it in a dsp-specific way though
Jul 24 07:34:56 <Stskeeps> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/o/osso-esd/
Jul 24 07:34:56 <johnx> aaah
Jul 24 07:35:07 <johnx> so osso-esd is hacked up compared to normal esd?
Jul 24 07:35:20 <Stskeeps> think so
Jul 24 07:35:22 <johnx> I assume it doesn't speak OSS to /dev/dsptask/pcm1 ?
Jul 24 07:35:41 <Stskeeps>   statInfo.dsp_cmd = DSP_CMD_STATE;
Jul 24 07:35:42 <Stskeeps>   len = write(pcm_drv, &statInfo, sizeof(short int));
Jul 24 07:35:44 <Stskeeps> doesn't look like OSS
Jul 24 07:35:45 <Stskeeps> :P
Jul 24 07:36:05 <XTLi> Speaks osso
Jul 24 07:36:17 <johnx> ok, I was half right then :)
Jul 24 07:36:22 <johnx> but there is real ALSA emulation
Jul 24 07:36:30 <johnx> it can be kinda flakey though
Jul 24 07:37:28 <XTLi>  Never really saw a clear explanation on how the sound is done
Jul 24 07:38:31 <johnx> from what I understand, there is a gstreamer lib that throws sound directly at a dsp task, which then mixes sound from different sources and plays it
Jul 24 07:38:46 <Stskeeps> johnx: yeah, audio_dsp.c isn't in standard esound
Jul 24 07:39:08 <johnx> but there is also an emulated alsa sink that sits above the gstreamer lib and speaks standard alsa of course
Jul 24 07:39:24 <johnx> I assume you could do oss->alsa emulation
Jul 24 07:40:44 <XTLi> Is there esd too still?
Jul 24 07:43:09 <johnx> XTLi, yes
Jul 24 07:43:23 <johnx> it apparently talks directly to the DSP task as well
Jul 24 07:43:39 <johnx> actually, I wonder if the ALSA emulation just talks directly to the DSP task as well
Jul 24 07:56:13 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jul 24 07:57:36 <trickie> morning
Jul 24 07:58:52 <Stskeeps> johnx: btw if you haven't done yet, set your e-mail on trac, then you receive bug updates and such
Jul 24 07:59:07 <johnx> oh good. bug updates. woo.
Jul 24 07:59:09 <johnx> :P
Jul 24 07:59:10 <johnx> I will
Jul 24 07:59:27 <Stskeeps> more spam, yeah :P
Jul 24 08:00:00 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 08:06:43 <spcui> hi buddies, where is the osso_notes' source code?
Jul 24 08:07:05 <spcui> where is I can find it?
Jul 24 08:07:20 <johnx> spcui, if you looked at the repository and the svn repo with the rest of the source, and haven't found it..then it's probably closed source
Jul 24 08:07:48 <spcui> oh, thanks
Jul 24 08:08:14 <johnx> maybe look at the source for leafpad
Jul 24 08:08:17 <johnx> it's pretty similar
Jul 24 08:08:49 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 08:09:08 <Khertan_n810> and in python there is pygtkeditor
Jul 24 08:13:46 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Jul 24 08:16:44 <spcui> johnx, I didn't find the source in repository.maemo.org
Jul 24 08:17:07 <johnx> for leafpad?
Jul 24 08:17:36 <spcui> no
Jul 24 08:19:21 <spcui> it's closed source
Jul 24 08:20:01 <spcui> thanks for your help
Jul 24 08:20:10 <johnx> sure
Jul 24 08:32:43 <spcui> how to start the virtual keyboard on N810?
Jul 24 08:37:03 <spcui> anyone can answer me ?
Jul 24 08:37:05 <t_s_o> thumb the input area or hit the center of the dpad
Jul 24 08:40:07 <spcui> thank you.
Jul 24 08:43:09 <spcui> i did this method, but i can't start the virtual-keyboard
Jul 24 08:43:12 <spcui> why?
Jul 24 08:43:41 <Alfred_Jin> if the command kill -9 pid can't kill a process how can i kill it?
Jul 24 08:45:13 <Stskeeps> Alfred_Jin: go at it with a baseball bat
Jul 24 08:46:17 <Alfred_Jin> what is the baseball bat?
Jul 24 08:46:26 <Alfred_Jin> how to use it?
Jul 24 08:46:53 <Alfred_Jin> can i use the command in shell?
Jul 24 08:58:08 <lcuk> Alfred_Jin, kill -9 Mother_in_law       doesnt work ever
Jul 24 08:58:25 <lcuk> you need a special command directly from a priest or minister
Jul 24 09:00:07 <GeneralAntilles> spcui, for future reference: http://mxr.maemo.org/
Jul 24 09:00:57 <X-Fade> Jaffa: pong
Jul 24 09:01:50 <Alfred_Jin> lcuk , which command should i use
Jul 24 09:03:07 <Alfred_Jin> the process is /user/sbin/wlandcond  now i can't disconnect the network
Jul 24 09:03:45 <XTLi> If it's is a blocking call, youll need to get it to finish that
Jul 24 09:03:56 <XTLi> Or wait or reboot
Jul 24 09:04:16 <XTLi> In a...
Jul 24 09:04:19 * GeneralAntilles also needed X-Fade for something . . . but now can't remember what.
Jul 24 09:04:33 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Heh ;)
Jul 24 09:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> I suppose I could pick something else off my ever growing list. :P
Jul 24 09:04:59 <Alfred_Jin> yes reboot can solve it but just this way?
Jul 24 09:05:02 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, that's right, meeting logs. . . .
Jul 24 09:05:32 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Do you want me to put the bugzilla meeting ones up?
Jul 24 09:05:41 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that'd be nice.
Jul 24 09:05:49 <Khertan> Hi !
Jul 24 09:06:14 <GeneralAntilles> I was also gonna ask for the Sprint3 log to be put on the wiki page, but then I remembered that it's a wiki. <_<
Jul 24 09:06:50 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Yeah, you can just import the html?
Jul 24 09:07:09 <GeneralAntilles> Well, linked from the wikipage I should say
Jul 24 09:07:13 <GeneralAntilles> like the Sprint2 page.
Jul 24 09:07:35 <GeneralAntilles> and there goes Apache again. . . .
Jul 24 09:07:55 <GeneralAntilles> Hi, Khertan. :)
Jul 24 09:08:41 <X-Fade> Khertan: I know about the problem, but I lack access to fix it.
Jul 24 09:09:47 <rm_you> morningh
Jul 24 09:09:51 <rm_you> back to my old schedule
Jul 24 09:09:58 <rm_you> johnx: yo?
Jul 24 09:10:04 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: sup :P
Jul 24 09:10:08 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy
Jul 24 09:10:21 <rm_you> I miss anything of note?
Jul 24 09:10:41 <GeneralAntilles> You missed it, I probably missed it.
Jul 24 09:10:46 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 09:11:01 <rm_you> i been asleep for the past 16 hours
Jul 24 09:11:03 <rm_you> so meh :P
Jul 24 09:12:21 <GeneralAntilles> I did that yesterday
Jul 24 09:12:45 <GeneralAntilles> 3 nights of 5-hour nights capped off by the Dark Knight really takes it out of you.
Jul 24 09:13:15 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, I've got a really nitpicky and lame styling request for you.
Jul 24 09:13:34 <GeneralAntilles> Think you could model http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ after http://repository.maemo.org/ ?
Jul 24 09:13:45 <GeneralAntilles> and maybe drop in the Bugzilla meeting on the bottom since I hope to have more.
Jul 24 09:14:11 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Don't you like my plain html page? :)
Jul 24 09:15:00 <GeneralAntilles> I really want all maemo-related plain html pages to look the same for some reason
Jul 24 09:15:09 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Feel free to send patches ;)
Jul 24 09:15:16 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I'll do that.
Jul 24 09:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Will a .html and a .css suffice?
Jul 24 09:15:32 <X-Fade> Yes, no problem.
Jul 24 09:16:01 <X-Fade> Ok, log created. Now I need to copy it through 3 machines ;)
Jul 24 09:16:52 <GeneralAntilles> Will "IRC logs of maemo.org meetings" work as the new title?
Jul 24 09:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> Since "maemo" doesn't work for the new branding. . . .
Jul 24 09:17:07 <X-Fade> Yeah, sure.
Jul 24 09:17:35 <GeneralAntilles> Funny bug: <h1>maemo meetings IRC log</hi>
Jul 24 09:17:42 <X-Fade> Hehe ;)
Jul 24 09:17:51 <X-Fade> It was late when I created that first one ;)
Jul 24 09:19:06 <rm_you> umm GA
Jul 24 09:19:13 <rm_you> did we have 8600 DLs yesterday? :P
Jul 24 09:19:17 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 09:19:20 <GeneralAntilles> WTF?
Jul 24 09:19:39 <GeneralAntilles> Did India get in on the grapevine now?
Jul 24 09:19:42 <rm_you> rofl
Jul 24 09:19:52 <rm_you> third now in our category
Jul 24 09:19:52 <X-Fade> rm_you: I fixed the stats ;)
Jul 24 09:19:56 <rm_you> not complaining :P
Jul 24 09:19:56 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jul 24 09:20:00 <rm_you> X-Fade: they were broken?
Jul 24 09:20:02 <rm_you> X-Fade: lol
Jul 24 09:20:06 <rm_you> thanks? :P
Jul 24 09:20:13 <GeneralAntilles> Quadrupled in 2 days
Jul 24 09:20:15 <GeneralAntilles> Terrifying.
Jul 24 09:20:21 <rm_you> every time i check it has doubled
Jul 24 09:20:32 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, keep reloading, pls. :D
Jul 24 09:20:37 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 09:20:51 <rm_you> being in the third slot improves visibility too
Jul 24 09:20:52 <rm_you> helps
Jul 24 09:20:54 <X-Fade> rm_you: Well they count per OS but it only counted chinook.
Jul 24 09:20:59 <rm_you> ROFL
Jul 24 09:21:03 <X-Fade> And we were a few weeks behind in stats.
Jul 24 09:21:07 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 09:21:20 <rm_you> that *would* be like... 75% of our DLs :P
Jul 24 09:21:29 <rm_you> it should count garage too
Jul 24 09:21:35 <rm_you> or does it
Jul 24 09:21:37 <X-Fade> Don't count on that.
Jul 24 09:21:41 <rm_you> heh
Jul 24 09:22:16 <rm_you> nother 3000+ there i think :P
Jul 24 09:22:26 <rm_you> ack i need to post 0.14 to the garage
Jul 24 09:22:32 <X-Fade> rm_you: Check the graph ;)
Jul 24 09:22:38 <rm_you> graph?
Jul 24 09:22:57 <X-Fade> On your page in /downloads
Jul 24 09:23:15 <hrw> morning
Jul 24 09:23:40 <hrw> GAN800: indeed - I was looking at itt from time to time and this time I decided to write
Jul 24 09:24:02 <GeneralAntilles> hrw, bad time to start over there. ;)
Jul 24 09:24:22 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/maemo-bugzilla-meeting-2008-07-22.html
Jul 24 09:24:33 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks!
Jul 24 09:24:50 <aquatix> rm_you: what downloads are you talking about?
Jul 24 09:25:32 <rm_you> aquatix: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/
Jul 24 09:25:43 <aquatix> ah!
Jul 24 09:26:22 <aquatix> neato
Jul 24 09:27:15 <aquatix> rm_you: can i be really nitpicky and say that i think the tray icon of a-b is slightly [just slightly] too large?
Jul 24 09:27:23 <aquatix> if you look at the other icons
Jul 24 09:27:33 <GeneralAntilles> It's two icons in one.
Jul 24 09:27:42 <GeneralAntilles> WONTFIX :P
Jul 24 09:27:54 <Addison> Greetings and salutations gentlemen!  :)
Jul 24 09:27:58 <rm_you> aquatix: lol
Jul 24 09:28:08 <rm_you> aquatix: change your theme :)
Jul 24 09:28:17 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: :)
Jul 24 09:28:22 <aquatix> rm_you: errr
Jul 24 09:28:33 <aquatix> rm_you: that won't change icons now will it?
Jul 24 09:28:34 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, the default is wider than most.
Jul 24 09:28:51 <aquatix> you can even see it in your own screenshots ;)
Jul 24 09:29:04 <GeneralAntilles> But I didn't feel like remuxing Nokia's volume icon to make it the same size as the rest
Jul 24 09:29:11 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: the thing that catches my eye the most is the height
Jul 24 09:29:20 <aquatix> it's just a few pics higher than the others
Jul 24 09:29:26 <GeneralAntilles> It has more information to display than other applets, so a larger icon is OK in my book.
Jul 24 09:29:32 <aquatix> true
Jul 24 09:29:40 <aquatix> as said, being nitpicky
Jul 24 09:29:50 <rm_you> aquatix: i meant change the advanced backlight theme
Jul 24 09:29:55 <aquatix> just thought it broke the line of height of the icons there
Jul 24 09:29:56 <rm_you> aquatix: in the settings
Jul 24 09:30:02 <Addison> I'm sorry for coming here and always asking questions and all.  But I'm really stumped here.  Is there a way to get a "CP 437" font in Xterm?  I'm just not getting this.
Jul 24 09:30:03 <aquatix> rm_you: oh, let me try...
Jul 24 09:30:15 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: wait, your icons are 40x40 isn't that standard?
Jul 24 09:30:18 * rm_you is confused
Jul 24 09:30:21 <GeneralAntilles> They are
Jul 24 09:30:30 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia's icons just have a bunch more padding.
Jul 24 09:30:36 <rm_you> oh.
Jul 24 09:30:39 <aquatix> rm_you: ooh, hildon is quite nice
Jul 24 09:30:44 <rm_you> well, 2px padding on the left is necessary
Jul 24 09:30:50 <rm_you> for some stupid reason
Jul 24 09:30:51 <rm_you> may be a bug
Jul 24 09:31:05 <rm_you> maybe i should file a bug report
Jul 24 09:31:05 <Khertan> X-Fade > bad that you can't access to the machine ...
Jul 24 09:31:06 <Khertan> :)
Jul 24 09:31:10 <aquatix> rm_you: thanks for the hint, hadn't tried that setting as i thought only pccars was in there
Jul 24 09:31:21 <aquatix> hildon suits my eyecandy needs :)
Jul 24 09:31:24 <rm_you> aquatix: :)
Jul 24 09:31:33 <rm_you> I still prefer GA's icons
Jul 24 09:31:39 <rm_you> they are more "our signature"
Jul 24 09:31:42 <GeneralAntilles> Choice is good! :D
Jul 24 09:31:46 <aquatix> don't get me wrong, GA's version is great too
Jul 24 09:31:48 <rm_you> :P
Jul 24 09:31:54 <Jaffa> X-Fade: it was going to be a question of whether #3497 is intended behaviour now. I suspected not so raised a bug.
Jul 24 09:32:07 <aquatix> but it disturbs the `flow' of the top icons a bit
Jul 24 09:32:11 <rm_you> heh
Jul 24 09:32:13 <Addison> Again, all apologies, but is there a way to get IBMgraphics in Xterm?  From what I understand, Xterm will only handle .ttf fonts, is that correct?
Jul 24 09:33:07 <rm_you> OH
Jul 24 09:33:18 <rm_you> I have an interesting proof of concept idea for an iconset
Jul 24 09:33:26 <rm_you> will make it now
Jul 24 09:34:50 <Addison> Hey, I'm just trying to play Nethack through Telnet using IBMgraphics in Maemo.  So far, I have yet to find a font that supports such a code.  Any help on this and I will personally write a song about you.  :)
Jul 24 09:35:12 <XTLi> Use decgraphics
Jul 24 09:35:41 <Addison> Yeah, decgraphics works perfect, but it doesn't have enough characters I'm hoping for though.
Jul 24 09:35:42 <XTLi> Nh doesnt have unicode drawing chars yet, does it?
Jul 24 09:37:03 <Addison> Here's the thing.  From this page there are characters 176, 177, and 178 that I would like to custom make for the dungeons, you can't do that with DECgraphics.
Jul 24 09:37:03 <Addison> http://www.asciitable.com/
Jul 24 09:38:12 <Addison> I'm looking to create a nice dark and lit corridor graphic for the hallways.  With DECgraphics, all you can pretty much do is use a pound "#" sign for this.
Jul 24 09:39:00 <Addison> Is Xterm incapable of using a .fon font?  I mean is it only .ttf and nothing else?
Jul 24 09:39:55 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I guess that bug can be an enhancement.
Jul 24 09:40:03 <GeneralAntilles> Well, considering .fon is a proprietary Windows font format. . . .
Jul 24 09:40:20 <X-Fade> Khertan: Working on it ;)
Jul 24 09:40:34 <Addison> Ah poops!  And there's no real way to convert a .fon to .ttf is there General?
Jul 24 09:41:04 <Khertan> X-Fade > great news :)
Jul 24 09:41:24 <GeneralAntilles> Addison, dunno, I don't deal with Windows proprietary stuff. ;)
Jul 24 09:41:25 <XTLi> Using dos "graphics" is evil anyway
Jul 24 09:41:35 <GeneralAntilles> Google should tell you if there is, I suppose.
Jul 24 09:41:54 <Addison> Yeah XTli, but it's old school, and with my age, I'm all about that!  *lol*
Jul 24 09:42:11 <XTLi> Middle aged school
Jul 24 09:42:27 <X-Fade> Jaffa: About the summit schedule. I don't think we want to be put next to each other right? :)
Jul 24 09:42:34 <X-Fade> Jaffa: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008
Jul 24 09:42:54 <Addison> Well, you'll get to my age soon enough there XTli.  We all do.  *lol*
Jul 24 09:43:17 <X-Fade> Jaffa: I guess we could make a 'packaging/extras' track?
Jul 24 09:44:26 <Addison> Okay, moving on, is there a .ttf format or whatever Xterm needs to have a font that is encoding with "cp 437" whatever?
Jul 24 09:44:51 <Addison> I guess "cp 437" is the buzz word for IBM compatible graphic format or something.
Jul 24 09:45:42 <Addison> I've been looking around now for almost a month trying to problem solve this ridiculous weirdness.
Jul 24 09:46:18 <Addison> All I need is a font that supports IBMgraphics in Xterm through Telnet.  That's it.
Jul 24 09:46:57 <XTLi> Well, running out of polite expression, so why not go *plonk*
Jul 24 09:47:03 <Addison> Someone please help me before I go insane, possibly turning into a madman.  *lol*
Jul 24 09:47:54 <Addison> *plonk*?  Does that mean I should fuck myself?  Sorry, I don't get on the net all too often.  :)
Jul 24 09:47:56 <jott> Addison: are  you looking for a fon to pcf (bdf) converter?
Jul 24 09:48:42 <Addison> I don't know jott, will Xterm accept a .pcf font?  Never tried one before but I think I have one on my desktop.
Jul 24 09:49:31 <jott> Addison: pcf/bdf are X11 bitmap fonts
Jul 24 09:49:52 <jott> (and the osso-xterm hence supports them)
Jul 24 09:50:37 <Addison> So look in Google for a .pcf or .bdf font that is encoded with "cp 437" coding?
Jul 24 09:50:39 <jott> you can convert fnt files to it..
Jul 24 09:50:54 <Addison> Oooh...   Excellent!
Jul 24 09:51:12 <jott> http://dmr.ath.cx/misc/cp437/ hmm :)
Jul 24 09:51:41 <Addison> Bingo!  Thanks jott!
Jul 24 09:52:13 <Addison> I swear I've rifled the net for over a month.  I guess I couldn't figure out what to put in the search engine.
Jul 24 09:52:13 <jott> Addison: the wine tools provide an fnt convert if you have a fnt you want to use.
Jul 24 09:54:01 <Veggen> Hmmf. Can you buy a new n810 leather cover?
Jul 24 09:54:13 <Veggen> I think I lost mine in an airport yesterday.
Jul 24 09:56:13 <Addison> Hey jott, those fonts were 6x8, 8x8, and 8x12.  Not to create any type of unnecessary weirdness here, but I need one that is exactly 7x13.
Jul 24 09:56:44 <jott> Addison: hm well either google for a one that suites you (you have the bdf pcf keywords now :) or use a converter
Jul 24 09:57:12 <Addison> Okay, you're right.  I didn't know I had the option with bdf and pcf until now.  I'll go look.
Jul 24 09:57:16 <jott> Addison: http://cvs.winehq.com/cvsweb/wine/tools/ <- there is the fnt2bdf
Jul 24 09:57:35 <lcuk> heh, jott you really are the fnt of all knowledge ;)
Jul 24 09:58:02 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, you want me to file a bug and attach these into it or just give 'em to you direct?
Jul 24 09:58:44 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: I think we can do that without bugzilla ;)
Jul 24 09:58:45 <Addison> Hey jott, I went to your last link but that page was filled with Sputnik gibberish weirdness.  Exactly what am I looking at on that page?
Jul 24 09:59:32 <jott> Addison: erm there is the source for the fnt2bdf convert, you probably have to  fetch it and compile it manually ..
Jul 24 10:00:09 <jott> Addison: maybe start looking for ready fonts, there probably are a few ;)
Jul 24 10:03:38 <Addison> Google "ready fonts", jott?
Jul 24 10:04:28 <jott> heh maybe "7x13 bdf cp-437" .. ;)
Jul 24 10:04:38 <Addison> Oooh.  Will do that right now.
Jul 24 10:05:02 <jott> http://www.codeweavers.com/support/docs/wine-user/config-fonts-main <- see 5.10.1.1
Jul 24 10:06:18 <jott> (ignore the wine part ;)
Jul 24 10:06:59 <Addison> Oh shit jott, that's way beyond by knowledge.  I can barely figure out how to point and click on the net.
Jul 24 10:07:05 <jott> :P
Jul 24 10:07:52 <jott> Addison: http://www.asitis.org/node/72 ? maybe this is easier?
Jul 24 10:07:53 <Addison> Is UTF-8 fonts what I'm looking for?
Jul 24 10:07:54 <jott> don't know..
Jul 24 10:08:07 <jott> Addison: well.. an utf-8 font should contain all chars...
Jul 24 10:08:26 <jott> but the osso-xterm does not support cp437 encoding afaik.. :/
Jul 24 10:09:23 <Addison> Well, that's my problem right there.  I bought something online that converts .fon to .ttf, which seemed to actually work but when I piped it through Xterm, I got nothing but screen gibberish.
Jul 24 10:10:02 <Addison> It was called PixFont and it was a total waste of money.  :(
Jul 24 10:10:41 <jott> yeah you should probably go fon -> bdf/pcf, as ttf with embedded bitmaps can make trouble...
Jul 24 10:12:17 <Addison> Okay jott, I'm here right now.  Anything on this page worth downloading?
Jul 24 10:12:18 <Addison> http://www.sourcefiles.org/Utilities/Fonts/efont-unicode-bdf-0.4.2-src.tar.bz2.shtml
Jul 24 10:12:50 <Addison> It's showing something somewhere of a 7x13 .bdf file.
Jul 24 10:13:52 <jott> hm can't tell you .. just give it a try .. :)
Jul 24 10:14:10 <jott> but i guess xterm will mess with the encoding
Jul 24 10:16:00 <Addison> Okay, real quick because I hate taking up a person's time like I'm doing.  If I copy a .bdf or .pcf file using Emelfm2 into the font folder, turned of the tablet and restarted, that should be a font I can select in Xterm?
Jul 24 10:17:45 <jott> i'm not 100% but i think you need mkfontdir /the/font/dir
Jul 24 10:19:00 <Addison> Before I've just been shoveling junk in the user/share/font folder but don't quote me on that.
Jul 24 10:19:34 <Addison> Whenever I find a new font, I just put it into that folder and then turn off the tablet and restart.
Jul 24 10:20:04 <jott> yeah just do so
Jul 24 10:20:13 <Addison> Did I happen to mention that I'm a retarded gorilla when it comes to simple basic concepts with computers?  :)
Jul 24 10:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> Easier to run fc-cache
Jul 24 10:20:40 <jott> or that
Jul 24 10:20:53 <Addison> Hey GA, is that "fc-cache" in Xterm?
Jul 24 10:20:55 <GeneralAntilles> Add a Personal Menu entry to make it easier still.
Jul 24 10:21:06 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Jul 24 10:21:13 <Addison> Thank you GA!
Jul 24 10:21:39 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: wow this is SO ugly
Jul 24 10:21:43 <rm_you> but could be neat
Jul 24 10:22:10 <jott> rm_you: ? :O
Jul 24 10:22:34 <rm_you> jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/colorpoc.tar.gz
Jul 24 10:22:40 <GeneralAntilles> Addison, Personal Menu: new entry, name: "Refresh fonts", command: "fc-cache"
Jul 24 10:22:42 <rm_you> jott: iconset proof of concept
Jul 24 10:23:03 <Addison> Okay, well I've taken up way too much of everyone's time here.  Thanks a bunch jott!  I just wish that my cerebral cortex was only 4% as big as yours.  :)
Jul 24 10:23:13 <rm_you> jott: looks HORRIBLE, and serves as more proof that I can't do graphical design :P but is a thought about a possible way to do iconsets
Jul 24 10:23:23 <rm_you> using color instead of moving widgets
Jul 24 10:23:32 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/
Jul 24 10:23:39 <Addison> I don't have Personal Menu, GA.  Actually I basically don't have anything on my tablet except for Telnet.
Jul 24 10:23:50 <GeneralAntilles> <_<?
Jul 24 10:23:56 <GeneralAntilles> Then why have a tablet? :P
Jul 24 10:24:10 <GeneralAntilles> Much cleaner, X-Fade. ;)
Jul 24 10:24:16 <rm_you> Addison: install advanced-backlight :P
Jul 24 10:24:20 <Addison> I bought it to get me through Med School.  So far, it's only proven to be a piece.  *lol*
Jul 24 10:24:36 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Sure, it is a lot better ;)
Jul 24 10:24:47 <rm_you> lol buying fun electronics is one way to NOT get through med school :P
Jul 24 10:26:08 <Addison> Yeah, my tablet right now is about as much fun as playing with an empty pop can.  I have no idea what to do with it.
Jul 24 10:26:14 <jott> rm_you: wtf?! colors colors colors? :O
Jul 24 10:26:29 <rm_you> jott: lol
Jul 24 10:26:52 <jott> or colorblind test? ;)
Jul 24 10:27:07 <rm_you> jott: it is a proof of concept (both of using colors to denote levels, and of my lack of design ability) :P
Jul 24 10:27:21 <rm_you> jott: did you see my OTHER one?
Jul 24 10:27:44 <jott> hm don't think so
Jul 24 10:28:43 <rm_you> lol sec
Jul 24 10:28:50 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, you should design a Bob interface to go with that one. :P
Jul 24 10:29:24 <GeneralAntilles> Addison, see: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Personal_Accounts
Jul 24 10:29:26 <jott> hah yeah we need "Maemo Bob" :>
Jul 24 10:30:53 <jott> bob is probably great with a touchscreen interface :P
Jul 24 10:31:15 <lcuk_work> some guy was on about a 3d interface in itT the other day that reminded me of bob
Jul 24 10:32:03 <rm_you> Bob?
Jul 24 10:32:40 <lcuk_work> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22056&page=3
Jul 24 10:32:42 <Addison> There's no click places on their GA.  That's about all I can do is point to something onscreen and click on it.  That site you gave me was a an black hole of crap!   *lol*
Jul 24 10:32:59 <lcuk_work> microsoft bob :) household computing
Jul 24 10:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> crap?
Jul 24 10:33:14 <jott> rm_you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_bob
Jul 24 10:34:22 <lcuk_work> bob is a good idea in principle - i would love for alternative visualisations like this to be configurable
Jul 24 10:34:45 <jott> boob instead of bob? :P
Jul 24 10:34:55 <lcuk_work> your ebooks folder looking like a book case, your pron folder looking like a pulled back mattress, your contacts being a pub setting
Jul 24 10:35:17 <XTLi> I dont think I'd like to see ms boob
Jul 24 10:35:45 <Addison3> Wow, I just got kicked from this site.  Did I say something retardedly stupid....  again?  :)
Jul 24 10:35:49 <jott> haha that would be steve ballmers boobs? :O
Jul 24 10:35:51 <lcuk_work> eughhhhhhh ballmers ms man boobs all sweaty and dripping
Jul 24 10:36:15 <XTLi> Wobbly
Jul 24 10:36:39 <lcuk_work> Addison3, yes dont say ass
Jul 24 10:37:10 <lcuk> of crap,i only said ass
Jul 24 10:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> Addison3, you weren't kicked.
Jul 24 10:37:33 <GeneralAntilles> Network issue of somesort
Jul 24 10:37:35 <jott> why does every one think of ballmer when speaking of ms boobs? :O
Jul 24 10:38:00 <Addison3> I said a$$ at one point?  Well, shoot, don't even remember saying that.  I guess I need immediate, intensive psychotherapy if I can't even remember two mintues ago.  :)
Jul 24 10:38:08 <lcuk> cos hes the microsoft totty
Jul 24 10:38:18 <XTLi> jott: most prominent sample of
Jul 24 10:38:46 <GeneralAntilles> ohgod
Jul 24 10:38:55 <XTLi> Although originally I was thinking "if microsoft made boobs"
Jul 24 10:39:00 <lcuk> Addison3, there is no profanity filter, you can technically say whatever you want.  GeneralAntilles is right - you got kicked because of a network issue and not because of what you said
Jul 24 10:39:01 <GeneralAntilles> qgil has thrown an "Objective:" namespace in there
Jul 24 10:39:25 <GeneralAntilles> "kicked" isn't the correct term
Jul 24 10:39:27 <XTLi> .. And stopped thinking right there and started reading some spec documents instead
Jul 24 10:39:44 <GeneralAntilles> "kick" implies some sort of action by a person or computer to forcibly remove you from the network.
Jul 24 10:39:57 <XTLi> Freenode's been splitting a lot
Jul 24 10:40:12 <X-Fade> And that Peer guy isn't helping either ;)
Jul 24 10:40:23 <lcuk> microsoft are silicone hungry - you can install vista on a dual core and whilst you could watch them jiggle all day long they wouldnt actually be useful
Jul 24 10:40:25 <GeneralAntilles> Task: == 100 Days, Objective: == 2010
Jul 24 10:40:29 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure how I feel about that.
Jul 24 10:41:07 <lcuk> time dilation?
Jul 24 10:41:36 <XTLi> Not much, in workdays
Jul 24 10:41:39 <lcuk> maybe qgil is actually travelling at some fraction of SOL and will infact arrive in 2010 in 100 relative days?
Jul 24 10:41:42 <crashanddie> lcuk, silicone or silicium ?
Jul 24 10:41:50 <GeneralAntilles> jott, get a rotation support package in Extras-devel already so we can point people to it on the website and in the readmes. :P
Jul 24 10:42:22 <lcuk> crashanddie, im not a materials scientist but if you build an example of each, i'll ummm give them a test
Jul 24 10:42:25 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, if that means that the 2010 objectives will be achieved in 100 days then I'm all in! :P
Jul 24 10:42:28 * lcuk takes hold of the problem
Jul 24 10:42:35 <Khertan> or make a package that display instruction on how to install it :)
Jul 24 10:42:40 <Addison3> Well, have a good night all!  Thanks again jott for all you great genius.
Jul 24 10:42:59 <lcuk> see superjott, u are the god.
Jul 24 10:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> jott spawned all the great genius in here?
Jul 24 10:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome.
Jul 24 10:43:19 <lcuk> jott actually sits here in his underpants and cape
Jul 24 10:43:43 <XTLi> Spawning genius
Jul 24 10:43:43 <GeneralAntilles> Next big comic-book turned movie? Superjott!
Jul 24 10:44:09 <lcuk> hang on, thats goin too far
Jul 24 10:44:46 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=206471&postcount=4
Jul 24 10:44:53 * jott informs his agent
Jul 24 10:45:02 <GeneralAntilles> Is Darius seeming more stable because it's actually his version 2.0?
Jul 24 10:46:19 <lcuk> at least now he has 2 accounts he might increase membership on some of his googlegroups
Jul 24 10:46:29 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles / jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/funky3.tar.gz
Jul 24 10:46:35 <rm_you> that was the first iconset i made :P
Jul 24 10:46:52 <jott> 404
Jul 24 10:47:20 <lcuk> back later
Jul 24 10:47:23 <XTLi> So his groups will now have 2 members?
Jul 24 10:47:26 <rm_you> err
Jul 24 10:47:27 <rm_you> sec
Jul 24 10:47:31 <X-Fade> Does anybody have an idea how to best clean older versions from a repository? :)
Jul 24 10:48:08 <X-Fade> I want to reduce the size of the repository, because some packages have lots of old versions. Like: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/a/advanced-backlight/ :)
Jul 24 10:48:59 <XTLi> It keeps them all?
Jul 24 10:49:30 <XTLi> I don't actually know how projects do repo reaping
Jul 24 10:49:47 <XTLi> I guess I've only run small repos :)
Jul 24 10:49:56 <X-Fade> Yes, now it keeps them all. But that makes Packages files big and reindexing a repository takes ages.
Jul 24 10:50:45 <XTLi> Most likely. Esp if that's where contrib pkgs pile up
Jul 24 10:51:23 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jul 24 10:51:56 * GeneralAntilles blames rm_you.
Jul 24 10:51:57 <rm_you> lol X-Fade  :P
Jul 24 10:52:15 <Jaffa> X-Fade: sorry, was working. The bug's a regression so it's not really an enhancement.
Jul 24 10:53:00 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, bribe money.
Jul 24 10:53:13 <GeneralAntilles> "Give X-Fade $5 for every old version you want to keep"
Jul 24 10:53:23 <Jaffa> X-Fade: and yes, a packaging track would be good.
Jul 24 10:53:51 <Jaffa> X-Fade: personally, I'd rather see your BoF then Mamona (although the mamona one would be interesting)
Jul 24 10:55:16 <XTLi> I wish grandcentral didn't have that country check
Jul 24 10:59:13 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Hmm ok, well then we need to find out what caused the regression.
Jul 24 11:01:03 <Jaffa> X-Fade: indeed.
Jul 24 11:01:42 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Ah, it isn't a regression ;)
Jul 24 11:01:55 <X-Fade> Jaffa: You just need to adjust your privacy settings.
Jul 24 11:02:32 <X-Fade> I have published my name in the account settings and it shows up in the list.
Jul 24 11:06:40 <GeneralAntilles> It looks a lot different from how it did a week ago
Jul 24 11:06:52 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > is possible to have form entry more larger in extras web page assistant
Jul 24 11:06:57 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe less of a regression and more of a bugfix that exposed something else?
Jul 24 11:07:05 <Khertan_n810> it s a bit small when used from a nit
Jul 24 11:07:08 <Khertan_n810> ?
Jul 24 11:08:01 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: It was part of the profile change I think.
Jul 24 11:08:43 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, did you ever make any more progress on the max volume stuff?
Jul 24 11:08:58 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ?
Jul 24 11:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia maxing out at 93/100
Jul 24 11:09:30 <Khertan_n810> generalantilles > use the alsa mixer from debian :)
Jul 24 11:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> and ALSO mixing going to 100/100
Jul 24 11:09:38 <GeneralAntilles> er, ALSA
Jul 24 11:09:48 <jott> GeneralAntilles: that's not really solvable when using maemo
Jul 24 11:09:59 <jott> (atleast when using multimediad)
Jul 24 11:10:04 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously?
Jul 24 11:10:10 <GeneralAntilles> There's no way around that?
Jul 24 11:10:15 <jott> well 100 in gconf is 93 in alsa ;)
Jul 24 11:10:18 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: What form?
Jul 24 11:10:20 <jott> i guess it is a bug in multimediad
Jul 24 11:10:27 <jott> or a feature ;)
Jul 24 11:11:00 <jott> i mean, we *could* use alsa for mixing..
Jul 24 11:11:02 <rm_you> did you file a bug for that?
Jul 24 11:11:03 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > all of the field,button,and popup in extras devel assistant
Jul 24 11:11:05 <rm_you> I was unaware
Jul 24 11:11:10 <jott> no .. :/
Jul 24 11:11:45 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: They are just default size at the moment.
Jul 24 11:11:50 <rm_you> anyway
Jul 24 11:11:55 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles / jott: http://www.ageofikon.info/funky4.tar.gz
Jul 24 11:12:01 <rm_you> that was my first iconset
Jul 24 11:12:02 <Khertan_n810> :) this is why i ask :)
Jul 24 11:12:03 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 11:12:39 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: So basically that is a microb bug then ;)
Jul 24 11:12:48 <jott> i bet that 100 => 93 volume is in the ui spec ;)
Jul 24 11:12:48 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 11:12:56 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: If default widgets are too small.
Jul 24 11:13:03 <jott> WONTFIX :P
Jul 24 11:13:06 <Khertan_n810> so i now where to fill  my bug in bugzilla
Jul 24 11:13:20 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 11:13:37 <GeneralAntilles> I coulda sworn there was a bug for the max volume being too low. . . .
Jul 24 11:13:51 <GeneralAntilles> Khertan_n810, sure you're not zoomed out?
Jul 24 11:14:06 <Khertan_n810> sure :)
Jul 24 11:14:19 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: Hmm there is no assistant component in bugzilla ;)
Jul 24 11:14:29 <X-Fade> Goooood ;)
Jul 24 11:14:36 <GeneralAntilles> I'd say resizing widgets to be more "finger friendly" MicroB-side is a WONTFIX.
Jul 24 11:14:52 <Khertan_n810> ?
Jul 24 11:14:54 <Khertan_n810> why ?
Jul 24 11:15:00 <jott> rm_you: you hurt my eyes! *scream*
Jul 24 11:15:04 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 11:15:06 <GeneralAntilles> Likely to break page layouts.
Jul 24 11:15:13 <rm_you> jott: but it is functional, yes? :P
Jul 24 11:15:15 <XTLi> Everything on MicroB-side is :)
Jul 24 11:15:17 <Khertan_n810> hum ... right
Jul 24 11:15:38 <rm_you> jott: sue me, I like bright pastel colors :P
Jul 24 11:15:46 <GeneralAntilles> How do you mean, XTLi?
Jul 24 11:16:01 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, consider yourself served.
Jul 24 11:16:09 <X-Fade> Khertan_n810: I can change that in assistant though. Can you file it against autobuilder?
Jul 24 11:16:19 <XTLi> A general impression I've got
Jul 24 11:16:40 <X-Fade> *lunch* ;)
Jul 24 11:16:45 <Khertan_n810> x-fade > i ll do it once i come back office
Jul 24 11:17:18 <Khertan_n810> going to lunch too
Jul 24 11:17:18 <Khertan_n810> bye
Jul 24 11:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> Well, XTLi, let's see.
Jul 24 11:19:16 <GeneralAntilles> Out of 88 MicroB bugs
Jul 24 11:19:22 <GeneralAntilles> 11 have been WONTFIXed
Jul 24 11:19:45 <t_s_o> nice, looks a new version of GPE calendar is out, and fixes some of the issues i had with it ;)
Jul 24 11:19:50 <GeneralAntilles> Make that 10
Jul 24 11:19:54 <GeneralAntilles> I caught an Opera bug in there
Jul 24 11:20:00 <t_s_o> :P
Jul 24 11:20:32 <GeneralAntilles> 9, one of those really isn't browser related at all.
Jul 24 11:21:13 <GeneralAntilles> 8, one is just stupid.
Jul 24 11:21:21 <aquatix> say, is there a repository for microb svn snapshots or something?
Jul 24 11:21:37 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, there is.
Jul 24 11:21:51 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: is it functional? :)
Jul 24 11:22:00 <aquatix> [both the rep and the snapshots]
Jul 24 11:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, they just went way unstable for Fremantle
Jul 24 11:22:21 <GeneralAntilles> The repository is on Garage.
Jul 24 11:22:21 <aquatix> ah, too bad
Jul 24 11:22:34 <aquatix> thanks
Jul 24 11:22:35 <GeneralAntilles> Navi compiled a snapshot from there a few months ago.
Jul 24 11:22:44 <GeneralAntilles> Much better than both the Chinook and Diablo releases.
Jul 24 11:22:51 <t_s_o> any timeframe for fremantle yet? or is it "when its done"?
Jul 24 11:23:11 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, do you even need to ask? :P
Jul 24 11:23:24 <t_s_o> heh, i like being redundant ;)
Jul 24 11:23:26 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to call it generally Q4/Q1 2009
Jul 24 11:23:29 <Jaffa> X-Fade: what set my name to be unpublished? Or is it a new setting which has defaulted to false?
Jul 24 11:23:47 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: agreed
Jul 24 11:24:02 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: ah, any idea where i can find Navi's package?
Jul 24 11:24:10 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, itT
Jul 24 11:24:11 <aquatix> also on garage?
Jul 24 11:24:18 <aquatix> k, searching..
Jul 24 11:24:19 <GeneralAntilles> Google "microb svn navi" should find it
Jul 24 11:24:24 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't work under Diablo, though.
Jul 24 11:24:34 <GeneralAntilles> Which is why I've been pestering people to compile a newer snapshot.
Jul 24 11:24:48 <Jaffa> X-Fade: hang on, that makes no sense - if I go to http://maemo.org/profile/view/jaffa/ I see my name, even when not logged in, so it must be published already
Jul 24 11:25:10 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: oh
Jul 24 11:25:15 <aquatix> nm then :)
Jul 24 11:25:19 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: pester along :)
Jul 24 11:25:25 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, think this is fixed for Diablo? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=518
Jul 24 11:25:30 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: can i help you with pestering? ;)
Jul 24 11:25:34 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, compile a newer svn snapshot!
Jul 24 11:25:50 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: hm, sounds like it could be fixed indeed
Jul 24 11:26:06 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: you know, i even might try to set up a dev environment
Jul 24 11:26:20 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: but isn't that broken then?
Jul 24 11:26:26 <GeneralAntilles> The snapshot Navi compiled was awesome
Jul 24 11:26:29 <GeneralAntilles> Scrolling was like butter.
Jul 24 11:26:38 <aquatix> or are only those snaphots from garage broken for fremantle
Jul 24 11:26:41 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, never got a real answer.
Jul 24 11:26:49 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12 seemed to have patch troubles
Jul 24 11:26:52 <aquatix> hm
Jul 24 11:27:00 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think johnx ever actually got around to it
Jul 24 11:27:22 <GeneralAntilles> or gave up before even starting after I told him qwerty12 had patch troubles, rather. :D
Jul 24 11:28:12 <aquatix> hm :)
Jul 24 11:30:43 * GeneralAntilles is pretty sure Garage bug tracking in Bugzilla -> 3rd party bug tracking in Bugzilla is actually less precise.
Jul 24 11:35:39 <lcuk> <GeneralAntilles> Scrolling was like butter.      <<<<< butter thats just come out of the fridge?
Jul 24 11:36:03 <GeneralAntilles> Fridge button is still pretty slick when you run it over a cookie sheet
Jul 24 11:36:48 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles: wiki master, bug herder, master chef
Jul 24 11:37:21 * GeneralAntilles enjoys cooking.
Jul 24 11:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> Baking, especially.
Jul 24 11:37:39 <GeneralAntilles> Though it is something of a dark art.
Jul 24 11:37:58 <aquatix> voodoo cooking
Jul 24 11:38:15 <GeneralAntilles> ^
Jul 24 11:38:29 <GeneralAntilles> Baked goods pretty much do whatever the fuck they want.
Jul 24 11:38:34 <lcuk> i like the cooking process: getting everything timed just right to get it all on the plates at the right moment is fascinating
Jul 24 11:38:50 * aquatix likes it when it's edible
Jul 24 11:38:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, I'm usually cooking for one these days.
Jul 24 11:39:12 <aquatix> thankfully i have a high successrate in that
Jul 24 11:39:17 <GeneralAntilles> So it's a matter of cooking the single dish that I'll be eating for the next two days before I die of starvation. :D
Jul 24 11:39:20 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, it can still be a problem if you get your desert before your roast
Jul 24 11:39:25 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: :)
Jul 24 11:39:54 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, not a problem for me. :D
Jul 24 11:40:07 <lcuk> mmmmmmm more pie
Jul 24 11:40:18 <aquatix> hmmm, pie
Jul 24 11:41:05 <lcuk> my nana used to love cooking and baking and stuff, though she could have used technology to assist: she forgot the rice one time when making rice pudding
Jul 24 11:41:24 * lcuk thinks ditsyness runs in the family
Jul 24 11:41:43 <aquatix> :)
Jul 24 11:42:09 * aquatix loves the electronic timer in his stove
Jul 24 11:42:28 <aquatix> saves me from burning rice etc
Jul 24 11:42:29 <lcuk> i love baking home made pizza
Jul 24 11:42:48 <lcuk> rice is too easy nowadays - microwaves 2 minute jobbies are good enough
Jul 24 11:43:11 * aquatix just cooks for 8 minutes, loose the water and waits a bit
Jul 24 11:43:12 <lcuk> you know, its a damn good job i've just eaten - i would be runnin off to the kitchen
Jul 24 11:43:30 <aquatix> [preparing the meat, sauce etc in the meanwhile]
Jul 24 11:43:33 <aquatix> ghehe
Jul 24 11:43:36 <aquatix> same here
Jul 24 11:43:39 <GeneralAntilles> Rice cooker is the way to go
Jul 24 11:43:44 <arnooo> Hi at @ll
Jul 24 11:43:54 * aquatix has some stroopwafels in his backpack just in case
Jul 24 11:43:55 <lcuk> i do like proper boiled rice though: it plumps up better
Jul 24 11:43:56 <aquatix> hey arnooo
Jul 24 11:44:05 <GeneralAntilles> Just toss it in,  and it'll wait hours until the rest is done.
Jul 24 11:44:14 <lcuk> hi arnooo, welcome to "cooking with your n8x0"
Jul 24 11:44:25 <arnooo> Nice to see there's sooooo many people here !
Jul 24 11:44:39 <arnooo> I'm trying to flash a Nokia 800
Jul 24 11:44:46 <lcuk> >>>>>> those are miserable - they sit there hungry and not saying anything
Jul 24 11:44:52 <arnooo> and got the following error :
Jul 24 11:45:07 * aquatix hears some rumbling tommies
Jul 24 11:45:07 <arnooo> ./flasher-3.0: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
Jul 24 11:45:07 <arnooo> ./flasher-3.0: line 2: `<html>'
Jul 24 11:45:30 <aquatix> arnooo: sounds like you don't have a real flash file
Jul 24 11:45:36 <lcuk> arnooo, i guess you  have downloaded the flasher html page instead of the actual flasher binary
Jul 24 11:45:37 <aquatix> but downloaded an html page
Jul 24 11:45:54 <arnooo> lol
Jul 24 11:45:59 <GeneralAntilles> ~flashing
Jul 24 11:46:00 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is covered at http://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS
Jul 24 11:46:21 <arnooo> -rw-r--r--  1 arnooo arnooo 135M 2008-07-24 13:06 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jul 24 11:46:34 <arnooo> 135 Mo doesn't seems to be a web page
Jul 24 11:46:37 <aquatix> hm
Jul 24 11:46:46 <GeneralAntilles> _flasher-3.0_
Jul 24 11:46:50 <GeneralAntilles> not the FIASCO image
Jul 24 11:47:28 <aquatix> oh ha
Jul 24 11:47:40 <lcuk> arnooo, thats the flasher data file, you have also downloaded the proper flasher tool itself
Jul 24 11:47:41 <aquatix> arnooo: try redownloading the flasher program indeed :)
Jul 24 11:48:13 <arnooo> lcuk: yes of course (and chmoded +x) it to
Jul 24 11:48:26 <arnooo> s/to/too
Jul 24 11:48:32 <lcuk> if you put your n800 on the oven and go through the steps, will it just be a flash in the pan?
Jul 24 11:49:07 <arnooo> lcuk: doesn't even try to test this ;')
Jul 24 11:49:27 <arnooo> even, it's not documented anywhere ...
Jul 24 11:49:29 <lcuk> oh right, so i should just try to microwave it
Jul 24 11:49:40 <arnooo> nice
Jul 24 11:50:17 <aquatix> lcuk: be sure to make a movie of it
Jul 24 11:58:16 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like defrosting it.
Jul 24 11:58:23 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: microwave it
Jul 24 11:58:46 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, considering that
Jul 24 11:58:55 <GeneralAntilles> the microwave has a setting for frozen bacon
Jul 24 11:59:09 <GeneralAntilles> Problem is, that'd be, like a pound of bacon.
Jul 24 11:59:15 <GeneralAntilles> What am I gonna do with a pound of bacon?
Jul 24 11:59:34 <ShadowJK> ask yourself, what would homer simpsons do with a pound of bacon
Jul 24 11:59:43 <GeneralAntilles> Eat it, of course.
Jul 24 11:59:47 <GeneralAntilles> But let's be realistic here
Jul 24 11:59:51 * GeneralAntilles != Homer Simpson.
Jul 24 12:00:16 <pupnik> "Management disagreed."
Jul 24 12:00:20 <pupnik> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/No,_We_Need_a_Neural_Network.aspx
Jul 24 12:00:39 <pupnik> awesome
Jul 24 12:00:43 <aquatix> pupnik: hheheh, yeah
Jul 24 12:01:06 <aquatix> management generally is quite... clueless
Jul 24 12:02:09 <pupnik> the text produced kind of frightens me
Jul 24 12:02:41 <aquatix> WTF: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2008/07/cowon-p5-gets-official.php <- i think i'll stick with my n810 for multimedia
Jul 24 12:02:51 <aquatix> pupnik: neat eh?
Jul 24 12:02:53 * GeneralAntilles plugs pupnik into the neural network.
Jul 24 12:03:10 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: you mean he wasn't a bot?
Jul 24 12:03:15 <aquatix> +already
Jul 24 12:04:02 <Binky> Wow, xchat is amazing on 770
Jul 24 12:05:19 <XTLi> You men in the xchat sense or seriously?
Jul 24 12:06:10 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It is a setting that is off by default. And not every page listens to that setting yet, it seems.
Jul 24 12:06:14 <Binky> Seriously, I used tirc in my Ubunntu desktop and is garbage compared to tis
Jul 24 12:06:43 <X-Fade> Jaffa: And those that don't listen to it, show your name by default.
Jul 24 12:07:19 <Binky> But i must buy a bt keyboard, typing on-screen really sucks
Jul 24 12:09:05 <X-Fade> Jaffa: It seems that that is part of this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2252 and that I still need to do the thing in #4 ;)
Jul 24 12:13:03 <elekt> http://g.photos.cx/jorge-04.jpg
Jul 24 12:13:51 <Binky> I don't trust in nothing with a .cx domain.
Jul 24 12:14:25 <elekt> nowadays you have to apply reverse psychology
Jul 24 12:14:33 <Binky> And less since the goat happening...
Jul 24 12:15:14 <Binky> I'll give a try. Can't be worse than meatspin.com...
Jul 24 12:16:27 <Binky> LOL!
Jul 24 12:16:54 * aquatix doesn't get it :/
Jul 24 12:17:43 <Binky> Hardcore... Erm... Have you ever listened to Slipknot? That's it.
Jul 24 12:18:09 <liri> arg... nowdays it's almost impossible to get an N800 unless you're buying from ebay
Jul 24 12:18:36 <Binky> I almost bought one, 113
Jul 24 12:18:48 <liri> $113 us?
Jul 24 12:18:49 <elekt> nice!
Jul 24 12:19:02 <Binky> 113€, sorry
Jul 24 12:19:05 <liri> was that from ebay blinky or new?
Jul 24 12:19:08 <towo> Nokia actually returned my N810 with SingTel firmware. But no Diablo. Booooh.
Jul 24 12:19:32 <elekt> worldcraft gold?
Jul 24 12:19:40 <Binky> From ebay, but only was used 1 or 2 weeks
Jul 24 12:20:09 <liri> Binky: even on ebay they are hard to get :)
Jul 24 12:20:12 <liri> Binky: for low prices anyway
Jul 24 12:20:21 <Binky> Btw, 113 euros are 177 u$
Jul 24 12:20:29 <aquatix> Binky: ok, *that* hardcore; you have several kinds and i wondered what they meant ;)
Jul 24 12:20:30 <XTLi> "Used one week. Rails good."
Jul 24 12:20:51 <XTLi> Does it matter what hardcore?
Jul 24 12:20:58 <Binky> Lol
Jul 24 12:21:11 <elekt> haha
Jul 24 12:21:34 <elekt> only devs can turn a funny pic into a debate
Jul 24 12:21:37 <elekt> <3
Jul 24 12:21:55 <Binky> Geeks also can
Jul 24 12:22:11 <elekt> i'm a geek but not a dev
Jul 24 12:22:19 * aquatix is a geeky dev
Jul 24 12:22:42 <Binky> liri,  i ended with a 770 anyway. I'm hoping it gets wsod'ed, maybe nokia replaces it with a n800 or n810
Jul 24 12:23:37 <Binky> Bye, everyone. And quoting some it owner, "all your bye are belong to us"
Jul 24 12:24:59 <alfred> alsor.zhou?
Jul 24 12:25:23 <pupnik> http://jafo.net/humor.html  ok for great justice of time waste
Jul 24 12:26:36 <aquatix> http://www.rinkworks.com/said/language.shtml
Jul 24 12:26:46 <aquatix> speaking of time wasters ;)
Jul 24 12:26:50 <aquatix> really funny stuff
Jul 24 12:31:35 <pupnik> that put hurt on my brain
Jul 24 12:32:39 <aquatix> :)
Jul 24 12:33:09 <alfred> the osso-wlan is open source? when i download the source code , i found it's lack several header file
Jul 24 12:36:10 <GeneralAntilles> My friend brought back a sign from a hotel in Panama which read, "Love is... placing your clean towels on the rack so to that they may be reused another day."
Jul 24 12:36:35 <t_s_o> figures he would grab the sign
Jul 24 12:37:43 <towo> So, I just flashed to Diablo - waht's the deal with the "feature upgrade" packages?
Jul 24 12:40:05 <GeneralAntilles> towo, turn off Red Pill. . . .
Jul 24 12:40:17 * GeneralAntilles really wishes people wouldn't recommend that everybody do that.
Jul 24 12:40:17 <towo> .. yeeesh?
Jul 24 12:40:28 <towo> I'm just plainly curious, really.
Jul 24 12:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> No, really, turn off Red Pill mode.
Jul 24 12:40:51 <GeneralAntilles> They're not anything interesting or important.
Jul 24 12:41:05 <towo> I'm a Debian user, I know how to handle myself with package management beyond simple. I just want to know what's in them.
Jul 24 12:41:35 <GeneralAntilles> Different things, depending on the state of the repository
Jul 24 12:41:47 <GeneralAntilles> But, really, seriously, they're not important
Jul 24 12:42:17 <GeneralAntilles> apt-cache if you're really interested in seeing what they'll install.
Jul 24 12:42:25 <GeneralAntilles> But they wont install
Jul 24 12:42:32 <towo> Yeah, I've just noticed the Conflicts.
Jul 24 12:42:37 <GeneralAntilles> and the likelyhood of you ending up in a reboot loop is high.
Jul 24 12:43:02 <towo> The dependency on flash-and-reboot was scaring me into thinking that.
Jul 24 12:43:14 <GeneralAntilles> flash-and-reboot isn't interesting
Jul 24 12:43:19 <GeneralAntilles> You SHOULD run an apt-get -f install
Jul 24 12:43:55 <GeneralAntilles> flash-and-reboot is just a dumb wrapper for fiasco-flasher
Jul 24 12:44:05 <GeneralAntilles> used when upgrading kernel or initfs with an SSU update.
Jul 24 12:44:24 <towo> Okay, thanks.
Jul 24 12:44:27 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't ship with Diablo, though.
Jul 24 12:44:40 <GeneralAntilles> and osso-software-version-rx*4 depends on it
Jul 24 12:44:42 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: so, installing flash-and-reboot, initfs-flasher etc that way is recommended?
Jul 24 12:44:56 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, or you could wait for the first SSU push.
Jul 24 12:45:00 <aquatix> osso-software-version-rx44 will be removed if i do a apt-get -f install
Jul 24 12:45:24 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, is some package in an inconsistent state, maybe?
Jul 24 12:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> It shouldn't be removing that if things are nominal.
Jul 24 12:46:02 <GeneralAntilles> You can also wait for the first SSU push for it to be installed.
Jul 24 12:46:27 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, you could try apt-get -f install, then apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 afterwards.
Jul 24 12:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> There'll be a forth package being wonky if it wants to remove osso-software-version, though.
Jul 24 12:49:37 <aquatix> [yay for umts]
Jul 24 12:50:16 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: installing those packages now and removing osso-software-version-rx44 by doing that apt-get -f install
Jul 24 12:50:34 <aquatix> i'll see why it deinstalls osso-software-version-rx44 afterward
Jul 24 12:51:15 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Task:Getting_Nokia_involved_in_bugs.maemo.org
Jul 24 12:51:42 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: btw, apt also says that initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher and flash-and-reboot where installed automatically but aren't longer needed
Jul 24 12:51:46 <aquatix> odd-ish
Jul 24 12:52:25 <GeneralAntilles> Because osso-software-version, which is what depends on those, was removed.
Jul 24 12:52:39 * aquatix gets 14.8KB/s over flat-fee and cheap mobile internet; quite good i must say
Jul 24 12:52:43 * GeneralAntilles is wearing down on the whole "everything is a battle" with Nokia.
Jul 24 12:53:01 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: ah, duh :)
Jul 24 12:53:28 * GeneralAntilles is tired of having to trudge uphill on every little issue.
Jul 24 12:55:04 <aquatix> yay for broken deps
Jul 24 12:55:35 <aquatix> i think i have a repository with too new packages in my list
Jul 24 12:55:58 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, you really only need two, Extras and Extras-devel. ;)
Jul 24 12:56:22 * aquatix installed a modest snapshot
Jul 24 12:56:30 * aquatix disables some reps
Jul 24 12:58:28 <aquatix> meh, same problem
Jul 24 12:59:01 <aquatix> osso-software-version-rx44: depends: libbz2-1.0 (=1.0.3-1) but 1.0.3-2 is to be installed
Jul 24 12:59:04 <aquatix> and some more of these
Jul 24 12:59:29 <XTLi> Ah,, that
Jul 24 13:00:43 <XTLi> apt-cache policy libbz2-1.0
Jul 24 13:01:16 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, one easy fix is apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked
Jul 24 13:01:18 <XTLi> I think fbreader repo has that -2
Jul 24 13:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> Which has >= instead of = dependencies
Jul 24 13:01:35 <aquatix> XTLi: that's odd, as i disabled that one too
Jul 24 13:01:37 <XTLi> Unlocked helps, iirc, yes
Jul 24 13:01:39 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: ah, k
Jul 24 13:01:59 <aquatix> yay
Jul 24 13:02:07 <XTLi> Did you check the policy? That should show where it comes from
Jul 24 13:02:12 <XTLi> Or came from
Jul 24 13:02:24 <XTLi> And what version apt prefers
Jul 24 13:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> I really hope Nokia pushes an SSU update soon to fix that. <_<
Jul 24 13:02:56 <GeneralAntilles> I know they wont, though, because that would make too much sense.
Jul 24 13:03:30 <XTLi> :-D
Jul 24 13:03:49 <aquatix> XTLi: hm, i could have done an apt-get madison indeed
Jul 24 13:03:57 <GeneralAntilles> It's particularly bad when Nokia's fuck ups are mistaken for 3rd-party package fuck ups.
Jul 24 13:04:30 <GeneralAntilles> I've had more than one person complain to me about Advanced Backlight being "broken" because of that.
Jul 24 13:04:39 * towo has to check whether the Diablo finally works in the WLAN of about every European university
Jul 24 13:06:35 <aquatix> towo: good point
Jul 24 13:06:43 <aquatix> i'll try at my university soonish
Jul 24 13:07:11 * towo will be there next Tuesday... 
Jul 24 13:08:04 <aquatix> towo: would be nice if it finally did
Jul 24 13:08:25 <towo> Haven't had any feedback on the bug reports yet, though.
Jul 24 13:08:42 <GAN800> lol, the new statusbar clock package includes a giant home clock applet
Jul 24 13:08:50 <MangoFusion> anyone here happen to know how bad of an idea it is (with regards to battery capacity) of leaving a dead N800 battery uncharged for an extended period of time?
Jul 24 13:09:20 <GeneralAntilles> MangoFusion, how dead?
Jul 24 13:09:31 <GeneralAntilles> and how long is "extended"
Jul 24 13:09:44 <MangoFusion> lets just say you can still turn it on, but it dies after a second
Jul 24 13:09:52 <GeneralAntilles> OK, how long?
Jul 24 13:09:52 <MangoFusion> and "extended" as in a week or two
Jul 24 13:09:58 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, no problem
Jul 24 13:10:02 <MangoFusion> i'm just wondering really
Jul 24 13:10:19 <GeneralAntilles> Lion-using devices have a large safety margin built-in
Jul 24 13:10:22 <aquatix> GAN800: ah, you noticed it too :)
Jul 24 13:10:23 <GeneralAntilles> ~20%
Jul 24 13:10:24 <infobot> 0.2
Jul 24 13:10:27 <MangoFusion> ah right
Jul 24 13:10:28 <X-Fade> MangoFusion: That battery isn't empty at all ;)
Jul 24 13:10:33 <aquatix> GAN800: it's as large as the tray icon here btw
Jul 24 13:10:56 <GeneralAntilles> A couple months would be edging onto the "this battery will never be charged again" territory.
Jul 24 13:10:59 <MangoFusion> X-Fade: if it don't work for at least a minute, it's dead to me ;)
Jul 24 13:11:10 <GeneralAntilles> Plopping in the freezer will extend that time dramatically.
Jul 24 13:11:13 <aquatix> GAN800: bahnhofsuhr in your panels
Jul 24 13:11:21 <GeneralAntilles> aquatix, resizable
Jul 24 13:11:38 <GeneralAntilles> bitmap seems to scale all the way to "as big as the desktop" without issue.
Jul 24 13:11:44 <aquatix> nice
Jul 24 13:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, most retardedly bad applet name ever.
Jul 24 13:12:03 <aquatix> it looked nice, but it disappeared somehow after dragging it
Jul 24 13:12:08 <GeneralAntilles> I overlapped a giant clock over the built-in clock applet so you can just see the date. :D
Jul 24 13:12:10 <aquatix> well, it's correct
Jul 24 13:12:19 <aquatix> as it's a railway station clock :)
Jul 24 13:12:28 <aquatix> heheh
Jul 24 13:12:37 <GeneralAntilles> I rather like overlapping applets
Jul 24 13:12:38 <MangoFusion> GeneralAntilles: thanks, will keep that in mind ;)
Jul 24 13:12:42 <GeneralAntilles> You can do fun things with them.
Jul 24 13:12:49 <towo> gah.
Jul 24 13:12:54 <gegi> Is there an  alternate os for nokia's n800?
Jul 24 13:12:57 <towo> And I just noticed the fullscreen button isn't working.
Jul 24 13:13:01 * towo curses out loudly.
Jul 24 13:13:39 <aquatix> time for coffee
Jul 24 13:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> gegi, https://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems
Jul 24 13:13:47 <GeneralAntilles> ~alt-os is https://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems
Jul 24 13:13:48 <infobot> okay, GeneralAntilles
Jul 24 13:13:49 <towo> I just got it bloody fucking back from repairs, and now fullscreen isn't working anymore.
Jul 24 13:13:52 * towo growls.
Jul 24 13:15:03 <Atarii> GeneralAntilles with adv-backlight on your 770, have you noticed that before the screen dims, it flashes at max brightness for a second?
Jul 24 13:15:07 <towo> Probably have to wait ANOTHER two months to get that fixed again.
Jul 24 13:16:31 <GeneralAntilles> Atarii, no, only that it doesn't has progressive dimming.
Jul 24 13:17:16 <jitu3485> Hi facing error How to fixed it out. "The package osso-ic not found"
Jul 24 13:18:04 <Atarii> Mine does have progression dimming, but it goes to max first then dims down :s
Jul 24 13:18:14 <elekt> anyone seen batman?
Jul 24 13:18:23 <GeneralAntilles> ^ pure and complete and total win
Jul 24 13:18:28 <GeneralAntilles> Especially in IMAX.
Jul 24 13:18:31 <elekt> :)
Jul 24 13:18:34 <elekt> i worked on it
Jul 24 13:18:37 <GeneralAntilles> jitu3485, from?
Jul 24 13:18:45 <GeneralAntilles> Or not.
Jul 24 13:18:50 <crashanddie> elekt, really ?
Jul 24 13:18:54 <elekt> yeah
Jul 24 13:18:56 <elekt> production
Jul 24 13:19:08 <crashanddie> nice
Jul 24 13:19:27 <elekt> i'm afraid to tell people it's good cause i'm biased
Jul 24 13:19:32 <MangoFusion> anyone seen batman on their NIT?
Jul 24 13:19:43 * GeneralAntilles uses his prescience to determine jitu3485 is trying to install Rhapsody from a Chinook repo in Diablo because he added Chinook to all the default repository's distribution fields.
Jul 24 13:19:48 <GeneralAntilles> elekt, don't be.
Jul 24 13:19:55 <GeneralAntilles> Probably the best movie of the last 20 years
Jul 24 13:20:04 <GeneralAntilles> and probably the greatest superhero movie ever.
Jul 24 13:20:19 <crashanddie> aye
Jul 24 13:20:22 <GeneralAntilles> Ledger is an asshole for dying after doing a Joker like that, though.
Jul 24 13:20:36 <crashanddie> He's going to be though to match
Jul 24 13:20:39 <crashanddie> tough**
Jul 24 13:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> I'm in favor of resurrecting his dumb ass, signing him for two more movies and killing him again once they're done.
Jul 24 13:20:56 <elekt> i don't think anyone will touch the joker after this for a long long time
Jul 24 13:21:00 <GeneralAntilles> s/tough/impossible/
Jul 24 13:21:43 <GeneralAntilles> It's funny, if I had told you "Heath Ledger will be the Joker in the next Batman" after Batman Begins, you'd've said "Ha, nobody can replace Nicholson".
Jul 24 13:21:48 <XTLi> Indeed
Jul 24 13:21:56 <crashanddie> elekt, how's the weather in chicago ?
Jul 24 13:21:59 <GeneralAntilles> But he managed to not only replace, but to completely destroy Nicholson's Joker.
Jul 24 13:22:08 <elekt> shitty as usual
Jul 24 13:22:49 <elekt> even during shooting it was clear the joker was gonna be something awesome
Jul 24 13:23:03 <GeneralAntilles> jitu3485, are you installing Rhapsody?
Jul 24 13:23:09 <elekt> i hung out with ledger a few times, he was a nice guy
Jul 24 13:23:12 <crashanddie> must have come to a shock that Heath died
Jul 24 13:23:20 <jitu3485> GeneralAntilles: no
Jul 24 13:23:24 <crashanddie> s/to/as/
Jul 24 13:23:24 <infobot> crashanddie meant: must have come as a shock that Heath died
Jul 24 13:23:27 <GeneralAntilles> What, then?
Jul 24 13:23:35 <jitu3485> GeneralAntilles: sorry my get get down suddenlly
Jul 24 13:23:43 <GeneralAntilles> jitu3485, osso-ic is now icd2.
Jul 24 13:23:50 <jitu3485> GeneralAntilles: ok
Jul 24 13:23:59 <elekt> yeah, i was curious to see where his career would go
Jul 24 13:24:11 <crashanddie> well, he had done quite a few nice things
Jul 24 13:24:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm pretty sure that if they manage to make a 3rd movie that's more awesome than this one the universe will implode.
Jul 24 13:24:32 <elekt> haha
Jul 24 13:24:33 <jitu3485> GeneralAntilles: But am trying to install one garage project and  while compilling that project it is asking me osso-ic package not found
Jul 24 13:24:50 <GeneralAntilles> jitu3485, update its dependencies.
Jul 24 13:25:05 <GeneralAntilles> I'm wondering where they're going to go for a villain, though.
Jul 24 13:25:08 <elekt> chrashanddie, yeah he has - but what was weird about this one is how out of what i thought his range was this was
Jul 24 13:25:31 <elekt> his voice alone freaked me out when i saw him deliver lines
Jul 24 13:25:34 <crashanddie> I'm wondering who thought of Ledger for the Joker
Jul 24 13:25:45 <crashanddie> I mean... Sweet faced Ledger ? For Joker? Seriously ?
Jul 24 13:25:50 <GeneralAntilles> When I heard Ledger was the Joker, my thought was "What the fuck are they thinking?"
Jul 24 13:25:58 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, exactly
Jul 24 13:26:04 <GeneralAntilles> But goddamn
Jul 24 13:26:15 <GeneralAntilles> That was, like, one of the best performances from anybody ever. . . .
Jul 24 13:26:31 * GeneralAntilles loved the disappearing pencil.
Jul 24 13:26:42 <elekt> yeah the pencil trick was unbelievable
Jul 24 13:27:40 <XTLi> Probably can't get to see it before sunday
Jul 24 13:27:43 <XTLi> :(
Jul 24 13:27:44 <GeneralAntilles> I've pretty much been discussing this movie non-stop with my friends since we saw it.
Jul 24 13:27:47 <elekt> i thought i was gonna be like: hey, i was behind the wall there! all the way through
Jul 24 13:27:49 <GeneralAntilles> IMAX if you can.
Jul 24 13:27:59 <elekt> imax i did
Jul 24 13:28:10 <elekt> not once have i thought of the actual shooting of the film
Jul 24 13:28:19 <GeneralAntilles> The IMAX really brings it to a whole 'nother level.
Jul 24 13:28:52 <XTLi> IWISH
Jul 24 13:29:37 <GeneralAntilles> I was so overwhelmed by the awesome that I was actually this: || close to shedding a tear at the end during Gordon's speech.
Jul 24 13:29:56 <elekt> hehe
Jul 24 13:30:04 <elekt> what surprised me was the plot
Jul 24 13:30:25 <GeneralAntilles> So wonderfully dark and gritty.
Jul 24 13:30:34 <elekt> i got lots of bits and pieces of the script and other things, and i thought i had it figured out by the end
Jul 24 13:30:48 <elekt> but it completely surpried me
Jul 24 13:30:57 <elekt> +s
Jul 24 13:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> I completely forgot about the whole Dent thing
Jul 24 13:31:47 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't make the connection until he was in the hospital.
Jul 24 13:32:20 <elekt> that dialog between the joker and him is amazing
Jul 24 13:32:33 <elekt> RACHEL!
Jul 24 13:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> The nurse's outfit was so wonderfully awesome.
Jul 24 13:32:49 <elekt> haha yeah
Jul 24 13:32:54 <GeneralAntilles> Him walking out of the building with the detonator. . . .
Jul 24 13:32:59 <elekt> the detonating
Jul 24 13:33:00 <elekt> haha yeah
Jul 24 13:33:33 <elekt> that was an imax scene, i don't think you see his shoes in the regular version, which kinda sucks
Jul 24 13:33:46 <GeneralAntilles> The walk was so perfect
Jul 24 13:34:01 <XTLi> What if they'd kept the girl wossname
Jul 24 13:34:13 <GeneralAntilles> I'm glad they didn't
Jul 24 13:34:15 <GeneralAntilles> She sucked
Jul 24 13:34:21 <XTLi> Yes
Jul 24 13:34:28 <elekt> dawson's creek
Jul 24 13:34:34 <GeneralAntilles> Katie Holmes
Jul 24 13:34:39 <GeneralAntilles> She's a bitch, anyway.
Jul 24 13:34:40 <XTLi> That was a real wth in BB
Jul 24 13:34:55 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jul 24 13:35:03 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, she wasn't terrible in Batman Begins.
Jul 24 13:35:09 <GeneralAntilles> But she didn't add anything to it.
Jul 24 13:35:40 <elekt> there was nothing tough about her
Jul 24 13:35:42 <XTLi> Not bad but just seemed really out of place to me
Jul 24 13:36:01 <rm_you> <GeneralAntilles> I've had more than one person complain to me about Advanced Backlight being "broken" because of that.
Jul 24 13:36:04 <rm_you> which bug is that?
Jul 24 13:36:23 <GeneralAntilles> the stupid flash-and-reboot stuff.
Jul 24 13:36:36 <GeneralAntilles> They see it in the dependencies list when installing our package and things it's our fault.
Jul 24 13:37:08 <GeneralAntilles> The one thing that bugged me a bit was Dent's CG.
Jul 24 13:37:15 <GeneralAntilles> I thought it was a little over-the-top
Jul 24 13:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> But then I saw the comic book and I guess they stayed true to that.
Jul 24 13:38:00 <elekt> yeah i had a friend working in the vfx studio and he showed me cell photos and i was kind alike wtf
Jul 24 13:38:24 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: wait, what?
Jul 24 13:38:24 <GeneralAntilles> It didn't really jive with the whole "realism" thing that Batman has.
Jul 24 13:38:32 <GeneralAntilles> You don't walk around with that.
Jul 24 13:38:34 <rm_you> also, I will prolly go see it in IMAX todau
Jul 24 13:39:02 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/38023
Jul 24 13:39:17 <Atarii> rm_you!
Jul 24 13:39:29 * elekt back to work
Jul 24 13:39:33 <GeneralAntilles> I really hope Oldman gets a Best Support-Actor
Jul 24 13:39:42 <GeneralAntilles> s/ort/orting/
Jul 24 13:39:42 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: I really hope Oldman gets a Best Supporting-Actor
Jul 24 13:40:03 <GeneralAntilles> I can't believe he played Sirius Black
Jul 24 13:40:28 <XTLi> That was funny
Jul 24 13:40:43 <XTLi> But he's good
Jul 24 13:40:55 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 13:40:58 <rm_you> Atarii: :)
Jul 24 13:41:29 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, everybody has to go see it.
Jul 24 13:41:29 <Atarii> problem with adv-b: before the screen dims, it flashes at max brightness for a second
Jul 24 13:41:54 <Atarii> same with resuming, it flashes at max, then goes down
Jul 24 13:41:56 <GeneralAntilles> and, elekt, you can feel safe in recommending it as a good movie to people. ;) "Random people on the internet" agree.
Jul 24 13:42:49 * mgedmin finally books the hotel
Jul 24 13:43:41 <rm_you> Atarii: I think that issue is beyond our control
Jul 24 13:44:25 <rm_you> As I believe fanoush's blset script has the same effect
Jul 24 13:44:36 <Atarii> right ok
Jul 24 13:45:12 <Atarii> also, when moving your volume, the normal volume app moves accordingly, but it doesn't do that with the brightness
Jul 24 13:45:15 <Atarii> is that linked?>
Jul 24 13:45:28 <rm_you> the brightness is not linked
Jul 24 13:45:35 <rm_you> do not touch the nokia brightness app :P
Jul 24 13:45:44 <Atarii> deal :p
Jul 24 13:45:48 <GAN800> ^
Jul 24 13:46:09 <GAN800> Need an non-kernel hack method before you do. :P
Jul 24 13:46:20 <rm_you> GAN800: will not work even with DSME method >_>
Jul 24 13:46:30 <rm_you> it is not attached to the same thing
Jul 24 13:47:02 <GAN800> The N8x0's powersaving is so much better than the 770's
Jul 24 13:47:20 <GAN800> My N800 idling on wifi will go 2-4 days
Jul 24 13:47:32 <GAN800> The 770 barely makes it 24 hours.
Jul 24 13:48:24 <Atarii> clealy i need an upgrade :(
Jul 24 13:48:42 <Atarii> also does anyone have a link to the patch for full screen control panel?
Jul 24 13:48:43 <GAN800> Seriously
Jul 24 13:48:51 <GAN800> bugs.maemo.org
Jul 24 13:49:02 <GAN800> Yerga stuck it in my bug
Jul 24 13:49:23 <GAN800> 'fullscreen' should bring it up in the quicksearch
Jul 24 13:49:39 <Atarii> right thanks
Jul 24 13:50:10 <Atarii> 3470, got it
Jul 24 13:50:17 <Atarii> Interview with qwerty12
Jul 24 13:50:24 <GAN800> Now's a good time to upgrade with the N810 under $300. ;)
Jul 24 13:50:41 <Atarii> it will even better when i get my first pay cheque :p
Jul 24 13:51:49 <GAN800> The OMAP2 devices are lightyears ahead of the 770.
Jul 24 13:52:07 <hrw> less and less use of omap1510 cpu makes it
Jul 24 13:52:28 <hrw> and omap850 (which is omap1 too) is not popular in linux land rather
Jul 24 14:10:25 <thos> hi, I'm trying to flash my n800 with the latest diablo image, but the flasher is not recognising it and it's not showing up in lsusb, any one got any ideas?
Jul 24 14:14:19 <Veggen> thos: *exactly* what procedure did you use when flashing?
Jul 24 14:15:36 <Veggen> start the flasher, 2) turn off the n800 (completely), 3) plug in the cable, 4) start the n800.
Jul 24 14:18:08 <thos> Veggen, exactly that
Jul 24 14:18:23 <thos> Veggen, plus holding home button to increase timeout
Jul 24 14:19:06 <Veggen> thos: hmm...checked the cable?
Jul 24 14:21:33 <Veggen> thos: it's not plugged into the charger, is it?
Jul 24 14:21:59 <X-Fade> thos: usbfs loaded?
Jul 24 14:25:35 <thos> Veggen, yeah, I tried two cables
Jul 24 14:25:42 <thos> Veggen, no, not plugged into charger
Jul 24 14:25:53 <Binky> Hi
Jul 24 14:26:20 <Binky> Thos, can i help you in something?
Jul 24 14:26:42 <thos> X-Fade, I took the battery out to make sure it was off, so I assume usbfs would not be loaded?
Jul 24 14:27:02 <thos> Binky, I'm trying to flash an n800 with a new image, but the flasher script is not detecting it
Jul 24 14:27:07 <X-Fade> thos: On your pc, I mean.
Jul 24 14:27:17 <Veggen> thos: you did run the flasher as root?
Jul 24 14:27:45 <thos> Veggen, yes run as root
Jul 24 14:27:45 <Veggen> (or with sudo, of course)
Jul 24 14:27:51 <X-Fade> thos: On some distributions the usb filesystem is not loaded mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb
Jul 24 14:28:07 <Binky> What flasher version is?
Jul 24 14:28:17 <thos> X-Fade, I have procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
Jul 24 14:28:31 <thos> Binky, flasher-3.0
Jul 24 14:29:30 <X-Fade> thos: It might be that you need to patch your flasher:
Jul 24 14:29:35 <X-Fade> perl -p -i.backup -e 's-/proc/bus/usb-/dev/bus/usb\000-;' $FLASHER, where $FLASHER is the location of your flasher linux binary.
Jul 24 14:29:42 <Binky> ok... Sorry, i never flashed my device i don't believe i cant help in nothing more U-_-
Jul 24 14:30:43 <thos> X-Fade, still no luck. I am a little concerned it doesn't show up in lsusb when the usb symbol is showing on the n800 boot screen
Jul 24 14:32:52 <qwerty12> It should do as I am sure you guessed. I put my tablet into flashing mode and ran lsusb: "Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0421:0105 Nokia Mobile Phones"
Jul 24 14:34:05 <qwerty12> lcuk: You actually uploaded that preinst? I had it in there as a joke but I left it incase you wanted to make your own message :P
Jul 24 14:35:37 <Binky> My ubuntu pc does not recognize my deice, even in the device shows the icon, i believe te usb motherboard is broken, have  you tried mounting another devce?
Jul 24 14:36:48 <Blafasel> Hmm.. I'm embarrassed to admit that I haven't found a way to install packages to my external SD card yet. What's the right approach? Creating symlinks?
Jul 24 14:37:17 <thos> qwerty12, the wierd thing is after the n800 boots, it shows up in lsusb
Jul 24 14:37:43 <qwerty12> thos: That is really odd :/. Are you running the flasher as root?
Jul 24 14:37:48 <thos> qwerty12, yup
Jul 24 14:37:58 <qwerty12> Tried the 0xFFFF flasher?
Jul 24 14:38:07 <qwerty12> (it's not an official one though)
Jul 24 14:38:19 <thos> nope
Jul 24 14:38:23 <thos> what does that do?
Jul 24 14:38:49 <qwerty12> same thing, flashes a tablet. It's an unofficial flasher though. http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/?p=home
Jul 24 14:41:20 <zfigz> Is there really no way to uninstall default apps from the n810?
Jul 24 14:41:48 <zfigz> Someone was telling me that it might screw some shit up
Jul 24 14:42:01 <qwerty12> That's because they are right.
Jul 24 14:42:04 <X-Fade> zfigz: Sure, you can remove them with apt-get. But you will not be able to reinstall them :)
Jul 24 14:42:14 <zfigz> I don't care to reinstall them
Jul 24 14:42:17 <zfigz> I don't like any of those games
Jul 24 14:42:22 <zfigz> or gizmodo
Jul 24 14:42:25 <Binky> Anyone knows about a python compiler/interpreter for ITs?
Jul 24 14:42:30 <qwerty12> X-Fade: Come on, under Diablo, we know that isn't true ;)
Jul 24 14:42:36 <zfigz> er gizmo
Jul 24 14:42:42 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Hehe, well ;)
Jul 24 14:43:00 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Did you check if every package was available?
Jul 24 14:43:22 <qwerty12> X-Fade: I know of a few that aren't there but to me, they have no value :). (Like the getting started applet etc)
Jul 24 14:45:02 <lcuk> qwerty, its been renamed, i did actually think it will be useful
Jul 24 14:45:06 <jitu3485> Got Error How to fixed " Package requirements (libosso >= 1 osso-ic) were not met:"
Jul 24 14:45:20 <lcuk> i also removed the postinst (i believe)
Jul 24 14:45:51 <lcuk> i have also ensured the license is copied over as well (cos i have a view license option)
Jul 24 14:45:52 <qwerty12> lcuk: Yeah, I saw the rename, I just thought why was it uploaded :P. Yeah, I saw the prerm had been removed, that's up to you :)
Jul 24 14:46:32 <qwerty12> ha, this could be fun: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=206540#post206540
Jul 24 14:46:37 * qwerty12 loves amarok on linux
Jul 24 14:46:49 * qwerty12 has yet to reinstall kubuntu-desktop again though :/
Jul 24 14:47:01 <lcuk> thank you very much for getting that section started anyway - was informative to have everything there and now its tweaking - it still took me a good while to get it building myself cos dh_* all needed stuff which standard find/xargs etc need
Jul 24 14:47:15 <lcuk> actually, i best make sure im not in a reboot loop - i had to replace tar
Jul 24 14:47:27 <Binky> qwerty12, AMAROK 2.0 is available now
Jul 24 14:47:50 <qwerty12> lcuk: I replaced tar fine :)
Jul 24 14:48:08 <qwerty12> Binky: Cool
Jul 24 14:48:49 <lcuk> superjott helped me get the software sorted on device last night, its been a real team effort, but at least ill know it all for the next package i need or other linuxy stuff ;)
Jul 24 14:49:55 * lcuk crosses fingers and hopes his 810 reboots
Jul 24 14:50:08 <qwerty12> Heh, I just compiled under scratchbox and had no problems :P
Jul 24 14:50:23 <lcuk> yer but busybox got right in my way
Jul 24 14:50:45 <qwerty12> Well, I once devised a long hack to install busybox on the N800... :P
Jul 24 14:50:49 <lcuk> cool it reboots, whether anything else will work is another matter
Jul 24 14:50:59 <qwerty12> s/busybox/coreutils/
Jul 24 14:50:59 <infobot> qwerty12 meant: Well, I once devised a long hack to install coreutils on the N800... :P
Jul 24 14:51:22 <lcuk> i could install coreutils - but i tihnk id be left with a brick afterwards
Jul 24 14:51:33 <qwerty12> By default, you would be...
Jul 24 14:51:34 <lcuk> anyway, must dash - still @ work
Jul 24 14:51:42 <qwerty12> Heh, enjoy :P
Jul 24 14:51:56 <lcuk> thank you :)
Jul 24 14:52:21 <qwerty12> No problems, I look forward to liqbase-ng :P :)
Jul 24 14:57:20 <Khertan> Hopla yop les gens !
Jul 24 14:57:35 <Khertan> A new version of mCalendar is available in extras-devel for chinook
Jul 24 14:58:11 <Khertan> oups for diablo i mean :)
Jul 24 14:58:17 <hrw> which package provides device_symbols.h in maemo?
Jul 24 14:59:31 <qwerty12> libfontconfig1-dev: /usr/include/device_symbols.h
Jul 24 14:59:36 <hrw> thx
Jul 24 15:01:07 <hrw> and this is only on https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h ;(
Jul 24 15:02:05 <hrw> or maemo fontconfig...
Jul 24 15:02:06 <hrw> argh
Jul 24 15:13:28 <Binky> Erm... Anyone knows how to make a skip of line in the  terminal? I can’t make nothing in the python  interpreter...
Jul 24 15:22:49 <hrw> skip a line?
Jul 24 15:23:13 <aquatix> [press enter?]
Jul 24 15:38:08 <hrw> control-panel is closed source?
Jul 24 15:38:31 <qwerty12> No, it's open
Jul 24 15:39:34 <hrw> what about osso-icons?
Jul 24 15:40:18 <qwerty12> Doubt that one, that's why scratchbox comes with the crap looking icons whereas the real device has the nice ones. of course, crap and nice depends on your opinion...
Jul 24 15:40:37 <hrw> yep
Jul 24 15:41:31 <hrw> are those scratchbox ones available somewhere with open license?
Jul 24 15:43:43 <qwerty12> Ubuntu carry the scratchbox icons and I just checked:"Copyright (C) 2006 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved.  Contact: Maemo Integration <integration@maemo.org> This software is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License, which can be found at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ "
Jul 24 15:44:23 <hrw> can you check which package contains them? "dpkg -S path-to-icon"
Jul 24 15:44:37 <qwerty12> Already did that. sdk-default-icons: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/qgn_list_medi.png
Jul 24 15:44:49 <qwerty12> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/s/sdk-default-icons/
Jul 24 15:45:17 <hrw> gracias
Jul 24 15:45:27 <qwerty12> heh, np :)
Jul 24 16:27:44 <Atarii> qwerty12 what phones did you used to mod?
Jul 24 16:28:05 <qwerty12> Atarii: Mainly Sony Ericsson
Jul 24 16:28:30 <Atarii> was just reading your interview
Jul 24 16:28:43 <Khertan> bye
Jul 24 16:29:14 <qwerty12> heh
Jul 24 16:38:24 <Blafasel> Link to the interview? ;)
Jul 24 16:39:09 * qwerty12 doesn't understand why people want to read about me anyway :)
Jul 24 16:39:54 <hrw> bye
Jul 24 16:40:10 <hrw> qwerty12: interviews like that are interesting
Jul 24 16:41:23 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Stop being shy and toss me the link already
Jul 24 16:42:02 <qwerty12> Blafasel: :P http://mobiletablets.blogspot.com/
Jul 24 16:42:06 <Atarii> maemo.org
Jul 24 16:42:34 <Atarii> it's also top news item onhttp://maemo.org/
Jul 24 16:43:20 <qwerty12> I'm surprised no one has clicked the hate button, I think I've pissed off a few people here :P
Jul 24 16:46:25 * sp3000 clicks the spell-check button
Jul 24 16:46:29 <sp3000> recieved!
Jul 24 16:47:50 <Blafasel> ,-)
Jul 24 16:49:10 <qwerty12> What is the best Ebook format to use in FBReader?
Jul 24 16:51:53 <zap> qwerty12: .fb2
Jul 24 16:52:12 <qwerty12> zap: Great, thanks :)
Jul 24 16:52:32 * qwerty12 English teacher wants me to read Pride and Prejudice >.<
Jul 24 16:54:20 * lcuk points and laffs + qwerty
Jul 24 16:54:31 <lcuk> ffs i cant even taunt properlyt
Jul 24 16:54:36 <qwerty12> :P
Jul 24 16:54:41 <qwerty12> Must be an northerner thing
Jul 24 16:54:59 <lcuk> ill blame it all on my keyboard
Jul 24 16:55:36 <lcuk> aren't there any places nearby where you could rent real paper books?
Jul 24 16:55:52 <lcuk> or doesnt your school provide copies?
Jul 24 16:55:59 <qwerty12> I just much prefer reading ebooks :)
Jul 24 16:56:09 <qwerty12> Me teacher offered but I said no :/
Jul 24 16:56:35 <Blafasel> Wow.. I still don't like ebooks. It's not the same.
Jul 24 16:56:40 <Blafasel> I want to turn physical pages.
Jul 24 16:56:41 <lcuk> so whilst the rest of the class gets to do an essay on Transformers comics you are made to read p&p
Jul 24 16:57:41 <qwerty12> Blafasel: /me is too lazy to turn pages
Jul 24 16:57:49 <qwerty12> lcuk: Nah, we all have to read it :P
Jul 24 16:57:58 <lcuk> Blafasel, ebooks have a certain class that normal books dont - its easy to lie back in bed with all lights off and still read
Jul 24 16:58:04 <lcuk> and with continuous pages its even better
Jul 24 16:58:18 <qwerty12> ~lart fb2 people. Only linux converter uses PHP >.<.
Jul 24 16:58:18 * infobot stabs fb2 people. Only linux converter uses PHP >.<.
Jul 24 16:58:22 <lcuk> qwerty12, just wait until they ask you to act out part of it
Jul 24 16:58:36 <lcuk> i just read in text
Jul 24 16:59:09 * qwerty12 ain't acting out nothing :P
Jul 24 17:00:22 <lcuk> lol yer right
Jul 24 17:00:43 <lcuk> your mum will get pictures of you in breeches and show them to your future wife :D
Jul 24 17:01:00 <qwerty12> OMG
Jul 24 17:01:04 <Blafasel> harhar.. Now that's great.
Jul 24 17:01:16 * qwerty12 cringes seriously at just the thought
Jul 24 17:01:33 <Blafasel> But I somehow think she'd show it to every female candidate on the first evening, thereby preventing him to ever get married ;)
Jul 24 17:01:44 <madhav> lcuk: liqbase works only in diablo?
Jul 24 17:01:50 <lcuk> qwerty12, its ok, she will have MUCH worse waiting for when you get married
Jul 24 17:02:06 <lcuk> madhav, it better not - im still on chinook
Jul 24 17:02:46 <madhav> lcuk: i tried running the bin on chinook, it says xsp init failed
Jul 24 17:03:01 <qwerty12> Ok, before I die of the embarrassment, ever tried compiling liqbase using gcc 4?
Jul 24 17:03:12 <lcuk> no i havent - does it work?
Jul 24 17:03:33 <lcuk> madhav, try installing xsp (though i thought it was already included)
Jul 24 17:03:48 <qwerty12> lcuk: I haven't either. I don't currently have the toolchain setup, I'll 'ave a go in the morning
Jul 24 17:04:12 <lcuk> cool - whether it will gain improvements is another matter
Jul 24 17:04:55 <lcuk> the svn that i currently have is wrong: what would blow up if i moved everything into a trunk/ subfolder?
Jul 24 17:05:05 <qwerty12> I'm just interested because I hear a lot is changed in gcc 4 compared to 3.4 :). I won't BS you by pretending I know what those changes are :P
Jul 24 17:05:08 <lcuk> would svn have a fit or would it know the files have just been jiggled around
Jul 24 17:05:27 <Blafasel> lcuk: Use svn mv not mv and it should be fine
Jul 24 17:05:54 <lcuk> lol qwerty12, ive heard a lot as well, but tbh theres not a great deal that can be changed - sure the compiler itself can be rebuilt, but the results cant be THAT different
Jul 24 17:06:03 <lcuk> Blafasel, :) cool thanks
Jul 24 17:06:14 <lcuk> are you gonna be on for a while Blafasel
Jul 24 17:06:17 <zap> qwerty12: gcc 4.x won't give you much anyway
Jul 24 17:06:42 <zap> qwerty12: basically it has better support for standards and all that shit nobody's really interested in :-P
Jul 24 17:06:45 <Blafasel> lcuk: 19:00 here. Yes.
Jul 24 17:06:48 <Blafasel> Mostly ;)
Jul 24 17:07:22 <qwerty12> zap: Hah, ah well, I've had a few things compile using that ; that wouldn't do it for me with gcc 3 :)
Jul 24 17:07:35 <lcuk> Blafasel, im only thinking because i will have a package for testing here later if you wanna be a guinea pig
Jul 24 17:08:06 <qwerty12> So, does talking to a person +1 from where I am count as talking to a person in the future? :P
Jul 24 17:08:25 <Blafasel> lcuk: Yes! Yes! Pick em! ;)
Jul 24 17:08:35 <Blafasel> s/em/me
Jul 24 17:08:44 <lcuk> :) ok will do
Jul 24 17:08:58 <qwerty12> Blafasel: You can already checkout and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot :P
Jul 24 17:09:04 <lcuk> i just have some things to pop in, now it works i can make it work nicely
Jul 24 17:09:33 <lcuk> yes you can, but theres things still missing
Jul 24 17:09:35 <lcuk> :P
Jul 24 17:09:42 <lcuk> i want to add some example files
Jul 24 17:09:59 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Actually I cannot, because I'd need an environment for that first and I somehow always tried to avoid that so far.. But it might be a good idea to change that.
Jul 24 17:10:04 <qwerty12> Examples aRe 4 n0obs
Jul 24 17:10:28 <lcuk> and they are also prebuild UI elements
Jul 24 17:10:43 <qwerty12> Blafasel: Ah. I've found it quite easy to set up sbox, but I guess it's easier using a deb based distro :/
Jul 24 17:11:23 <Blafasel> qwerty12: Have some (payed) work to do today, will try to set up the stuff asap. I don't want to be the completely clueless guy on the summit ;)
Jul 24 17:11:33 <lcuk> Blafasel, i found it real easy to download the vmware image with scratchbox inside
Jul 24 17:11:44 <lcuk> performance wasnt great but it was almost instant gratification
Jul 24 17:11:58 <qwerty12> vmware's really clunky for me :/
Jul 24 17:12:02 <lcuk> then i threw it all away and went the hard way
Jul 24 17:12:02 <lcuk> :S
Jul 24 17:12:42 <crashanddie> and hard way being ?
Jul 24 17:12:45 <crashanddie> Installing Ubuntu/Debian ?
Jul 24 17:12:55 <lcuk> getting dpkg-buildpackage working on device
Jul 24 17:13:26 <qwerty12> Give me an Ubuntu computer with sbrsh any day...
Jul 24 17:13:30 * lcuk spoofs a certain email address and makes crashndie crashndie
Jul 24 17:13:50 <qwerty12> lcuk: Yep, I can see the effect right away...
Jul 24 17:13:58 <crashanddie> I guess the only remedy to stubbornness is perseverance, aye lcuk ;)
Jul 24 17:14:11 <lcuk> indeedy
Jul 24 17:14:15 <crashanddie> Hmm
Jul 24 17:14:19 <crashanddie> I like that sentence in fact
Jul 24 17:14:35 <crashanddie> lcuk, you don't know with which email I sent it :)
Jul 24 17:14:48 <crashanddie> even if you did
Jul 24 17:14:51 <lcuk> you forget something.  i are internet admin
Jul 24 17:14:54 <lcuk> I READ YOUR EMAILS
Jul 24 17:15:05 <crashanddie> lol
Jul 24 17:15:17 <crashanddie> The day someone puts you in charge of the interwebs
Jul 24 17:15:33 <||cw> I think that was yesterday
Jul 24 17:15:36 <crashanddie> is the day computers are delivered with a lethal dose of crack
Jul 24 17:15:51 <||cw> yeah, certainly was.  Bush ordered it
Jul 24 17:16:13 <lcuk> ill make the fastest, most efficient network in the world that will stubbornly refuse to follow normal rules
Jul 24 17:16:13 <||cw> the trick is, being smart enough to not take the crack
Jul 24 17:16:30 <crashanddie> lcuk, I have a video for you
Jul 24 17:16:40 <VirusHax> I feel myself
Jul 24 17:16:48 <crashanddie> lcuk, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=71APLHK-Ykk
Jul 24 17:17:03 <lcuk> i dont want any more of your videos, i still havent had time to scrub my retinas
Jul 24 17:17:20 <lcuk> :)
Jul 24 17:17:59 * qwerty12 shaves lcuk's retinas. Now you don't need to scrub them.
Jul 24 17:18:31 <lcuk> http://www.art-dept.com/artists/rankin/portfolio/specialprojects/eyescapes/portfolio.html
Jul 24 17:22:38 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Jul 24 17:23:10 <Khertan_n810> someone can explain me how to fix the title of a hildon window in python
Jul 24 17:24:03 <Khertan_n810> i always get pythonscript.py - My Naame
Jul 24 17:25:01 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, i dunno, you are the python god though - if you dont know something how are we meant to know?
Jul 24 17:25:01 <zap> what function you use to open the window?
Jul 24 17:25:08 <zap> gtk_window_create() ?
Jul 24 17:25:22 <Khertan_n810> hildon.Window()
Jul 24 17:25:48 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > lol i m a python beginner
Jul 24 17:26:10 <Khertan_n810> learn it in june 2007
Jul 24 17:27:08 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, :) you have managed cool things so far then, your skills are even more impressive than i imagined
Jul 24 17:27:49 <Khertan_n810> lol ... it s the beautiful of gpl that permit that :)
Jul 24 17:28:01 <zap> Khertan: I don't know hildon python API, but can't you do something like window.set_window_text ("blah") ?
Jul 24 17:28:42 <Khertan_n810> i can and the result is : 'pythonscript.py - blah'
Jul 24 17:28:47 <zap> :)))
Jul 24 17:28:55 <zap> this really sucks
Jul 24 17:29:04 <Khertan_n810> i ve tryed all i know maybe a stupid thing in hildon binding
Jul 24 17:29:06 <zap> have you seen any python app that has normal titlebar text?
Jul 24 17:29:12 <Khertan_n810> no
Jul 24 17:29:22 <Khertan_n810> everyone ask me :)
Jul 24 17:29:43 <zap> you can look at the sourcecode of the python bindings then
Jul 24 17:30:04 <Khertan_n810> yes ... once i ll come back to home
Jul 24 17:30:14 <Khertan_n810> this is what i ll do
Jul 24 17:31:12 <Khertan_n810> so many idea ... so less time to do it
Jul 24 17:31:26 <Khertan_n810> add alarm in mcalendar
Jul 24 17:31:29 <lcuk> Here in scratchbox it shows the title after the script name (test.py -
Jul 24 17:31:29 <lcuk> Title not seen). This test.py text can be retrieved/changed with
Jul 24 17:31:29 <lcuk> get/set_application_name functions in the gtk module.
Jul 24 17:31:29 <lcuk> Setting it to '' made only the window title appear.
Jul 24 17:31:34 <lcuk> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-March/032877.html
Jul 24 17:31:34 <Khertan_n810> finish mcontact
Jul 24 17:31:39 <Khertan_n810> finish mtasks
Jul 24 17:31:43 <lcuk> Khertan, does that help?
Jul 24 17:32:41 <Khertan_n810> thx i ll try
Jul 24 17:33:09 <zap> aha, exactly your problem
Jul 24 17:35:30 <Khertan_n810> hey great ! exactly that
Jul 24 17:35:36 <Khertan_n810> thx lcuk
Jul 24 17:36:22 <lcuk> :) np whatsoever - twas minor
Jul 24 17:40:25 <GAN800> ~sd-booting
Jul 24 17:40:39 <GAN800> ~boot-sd
Jul 24 17:40:39 <infobot> it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Jul 24 17:40:47 <GAN800> Blafasel. . . .
Jul 24 17:41:47 <Blafasel> GAN800: Hm?
Jul 24 17:42:44 <GAN800> You asked about 'installing packages on SD', which is the retarded way to go about it.
Jul 24 17:42:55 <GAN800> Just boot straight from SD.
Jul 24 17:43:32 <GAN800> qwerty12, there's some idiot on -users saying stupid things about rootsh.
Jul 24 17:43:38 <Blafasel> GAN800: Yes, found that afterwards, but my SD card sucks (slow, small) so I defered the project anyway.. ;)
Jul 24 17:44:39 <rm_you> GAN800: link to that thread? lol
Jul 24 17:45:16 <GAN800> rm_you, maemo-users archives, find it yourself. ;)
Jul 24 17:48:47 <RST38h> yawn
Jul 24 17:49:11 <Khertan_n810> GAN > there is always sttupid user
Jul 24 17:49:31 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 17:50:16 <RST38h> can the set of stupid users be enumerated?
Jul 24 17:50:24 <VirusHax> Lol
Jul 24 17:50:40 <kirk> LOOOOOOOOOOOL
Jul 24 17:50:58 <Khertan_n810> not easily without made a buffer overflow with only 128Mo of ram
Jul 24 17:51:14 <lcuk> you would be easier weeding out the good ones
Jul 24 17:51:19 <GAN800> Why is Weinehall whining at me to explain what I want fixed?
Jul 24 17:51:33 <Khertan_n810> ?
Jul 24 17:51:47 <GAN800> I want the same goddamn thing fixed that I described in the original report in November.
Jul 24 17:52:03 <GAN800> Which is why I reopened the damn bug
Jul 24 17:52:27 <VirusHax> Http://smallcunts.info/internal/ <----- OMG!
Jul 24 17:53:00 <Khertan_n810> which bug ?
Jul 24 17:53:17 <GAN800> bug #2400
Jul 24 17:53:52 <aquatix> RST38h: sorry, that list is innumerable
Jul 24 17:54:05 <aquatix> innumeratable
Jul 24 17:54:26 <crashanddie> VirusHax, do you really want to get glined from Freenode ?
Jul 24 17:54:31 <rm_you> VirusHax: lol, is that page hax? :P
Jul 24 17:54:48 <crashanddie> in fact, i'm gonna get you glined
Jul 24 17:54:49 <rm_you> wait, is it *actually* hax>
Jul 24 17:54:51 <rm_you> ?
Jul 24 17:54:58 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 17:55:07 <rm_you> was just a guess :P
Jul 24 17:55:17 <rm_you> OMG rofl it is hilarious hax :P
Jul 24 17:55:37 <crashanddie> And this is how people get viruses
Jul 24 17:55:43 <rm_you> good job posting hax links with windows-styled fake popups and .exe downloads in a channel with LINUX users
Jul 24 17:56:08 <crashanddie> just go on an unknown domain and ask people to install so called active-x shit in the form of a .exe
Jul 24 17:56:08 * aquatix grins
Jul 24 17:56:23 <rm_you> i am tempted to try out that .exe file in WINE :P
Jul 24 17:56:42 <aquatix> rm_you: it might make your wine go off
Jul 24 17:56:53 <aquatix> that'd be a shame
Jul 24 17:56:59 <aquatix> spilling perfectly good wine :)
Jul 24 17:57:02 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 17:57:10 <kirk> looool
Jul 24 17:57:11 <VirusHax> lol
Jul 24 17:57:12 <zap> rm_you: some traians will work even in WINE
Jul 24 17:57:14 <kirk> xD
Jul 24 17:57:25 <zap> wine tries to be as buggy as windows is
Jul 24 17:57:25 <RST38h> I cant run exes!
Jul 24 17:57:37 <zap> you can even eat them
Jul 24 17:57:38 <RST38h> what should I do?
Jul 24 17:57:40 <VirusHax> Yes yes...
Jul 24 17:57:43 <Blafasel> Hm? I got no request for an exe.
Jul 24 17:57:46 <Blafasel> Just some nice girls ;)
Jul 24 17:57:59 <rm_you> lol
Jul 24 17:58:05 <VirusHax> lol
Jul 24 17:58:08 <Blafasel> Damn, cannot read russion
Jul 24 17:58:11 <Blafasel> russian
Jul 24 17:58:15 <RST38h> speaking of nice girls...
Jul 24 17:58:27 <RST38h> that russian anal sex spam came again
Jul 24 17:58:31 <Blafasel> But I'm pretty sure I know the standard headlines for these kinds of sides.
Jul 24 17:58:35 <RST38h> 3 times
Jul 24 17:58:36 <Blafasel> From hearsay..
Jul 24 17:59:15 <VirusHax> I Russia man
Jul 24 17:59:20 <VirusHax> =)
Jul 24 17:59:30 <Blafasel> My condolences.
Jul 24 17:59:42 <infobot> I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power
Jul 24 17:59:48 <Khertan_n810> lol it s writted in in french for me
Jul 24 18:00:03 <lcuk> you can get pills to help with your rushin    male premature ejaculation can be cured
Jul 24 18:00:03 <Khertan_n810> and it s look like a google translation
Jul 24 18:00:04 <Blafasel> Khertan_n810: Yay! Translate it!
Jul 24 18:00:07 <Blafasel> hrhr
Jul 24 18:00:11 <RST38h> on the other hand that arab mans cancer is no longer defiling all equipment...
Jul 24 18:00:25 <Blafasel> Now that makes me nervous.. Why is it presenting russian text to me?
Jul 24 18:00:33 <rm_you> if i could get pills that helped me understand other languages... THAT would be tempting :P
Jul 24 18:00:43 <Khertan_n810> lol
Jul 24 18:00:50 <kirk> LOL
Jul 24 18:00:54 <Blafasel> rm_you: I'm pretty sure I have emails that sell those..
Jul 24 18:00:57 <RST38h> blafasel: because you are russian
Jul 24 18:01:05 <Blafasel> Eh. No
Jul 24 18:01:08 * rm_you buys a PERL pill
Jul 24 18:01:11 <lcuk> just drink more beer: once you are all pissed none will make sense and you can mumble to each other
Jul 24 18:01:12 <RST38h> blafasel: too late
Jul 24 18:01:18 <Blafasel> Damn
Jul 24 18:01:20 <Blafasel> Vodka!
Jul 24 18:01:21 <aquatix> Blafasel: you have a local proxy that runs all your (confidential) traffic through a russian (sniffing) network?
Jul 24 18:01:41 <Blafasel> You mean tor.kgb.ru?
Jul 24 18:01:41 <crashanddie> Blafasel, just proves their geoip system is fail, and that it misreads .de for .ru
Jul 24 18:01:45 <aquatix> rm_you: i have some weird goldfish for you that creeps into your ear and lets you hear things
Jul 24 18:01:47 <RST38h> blafasel: leaving spoon in your teacup?
Jul 24 18:02:28 <Blafasel> What? Spoon? Tea? Huh? I fear I don't get it.
Jul 24 18:02:38 <RST38h> crash: it may be feeling prophetic
Jul 24 18:03:06 <RST38h> blafasel: I guess I will have to tell the joke from the start
Jul 24 18:03:20 <crashanddie> RST38h, you don't wanna know what I say about prophecies
Jul 24 18:03:23 * GAN800 is really, really tired of the neverending uphill battle with Nokia.
Jul 24 18:03:29 <Blafasel> Go ahead ;)
Jul 24 18:03:55 <crashanddie> GAN800, keep the faith, sister
Jul 24 18:04:01 <lcuk> GAN800, its not always uphill. sometimes it kinda flattens out for a while
Jul 24 18:04:04 <GAN800> Trying. . .  .
Jul 24 18:04:07 <RST38h> ga: just spread you legs and try to enjoy it like s60 developers are used to do
Jul 24 18:04:20 <crashanddie> "GAN800" that in fact sounds like some car washing product
Jul 24 18:04:37 <crashanddie> or a painkiller
Jul 24 18:04:56 <lcuk> or something you can buy from a russian spam to enchance your performance
Jul 24 18:05:11 <RST38h> blafasel: anyway, a russian spy is attending some diplomatic dinner and his neighbor asks him if he is russian
Jul 24 18:05:11 <GAN800> The energy expenditure to gratification just isn't high enough to maake me feel good.
Jul 24 18:05:14 <Blafasel> Gan in german would just sound like gun.. Maybe that's it?
Jul 24 18:05:34 <lcuk> right, back later folkies
Jul 24 18:05:41 <aquatix> lcuk: cya
Jul 24 18:06:08 <GAN800> It's stupidisted little minutia that always have to be painstakingly battled out.
Jul 24 18:06:08 <RST38h> blafasel: No. Why? -- You have not removed your spoon from your teacup
Jul 24 18:06:09 <crashanddie> GAN800, you know we appreciate everything you're doing. You did/do a lot for Maemo, and I don't see how anyone could've done better
Jul 24 18:06:44 <RST38h> blafasel: Next time the guy removes the spoon but still gets the same question
Jul 24 18:06:47 <crashanddie> GAN800, but if it is becoming a burden, you should not feel obliged to continue
Jul 24 18:06:51 <lcuk> if i were here now i would agree with that
Jul 24 18:07:01 <GAN800> I just want to get from Nokia what I get from the maemo.org team. 'Oh, that sounds perfectly reasonable.' and a fix comes 5 minutes later.
Jul 24 18:07:42 <RST38h> blafasel: Why? -- Well, you removed the spoon but are still holding your finger like it is there
Jul 24 18:07:51 <GAN800> But no, we have to put on our samurai costumes and battle it out.
Jul 24 18:08:23 <RST38h> ga: forget it. you will rather get it from a sleeping elephant on drugs
Jul 24 18:08:28 <crashanddie> GAN800, we all know the dangers of outburn. If you need a break, take some holidays. Even you are entitled to that
Jul 24 18:08:29 <pupnik> speaking of battling it out
Jul 24 18:08:31 <GAN800> Burden, no, irritating and boredom inducing, yes.
Jul 24 18:08:33 <pupnik> http://bash.org/?870063
Jul 24 18:09:17 <RST38h> blafasel: So the next time the guy removes the spoon, he is not holding his finger in any special way, but he is still getting the same question
Jul 24 18:09:43 <Khertan_n810> http://code.google.com/apis/contacts/
Jul 24 18:09:55 <Khertan_n810> ouch ... wrong windows
Jul 24 18:10:28 <Binky> Joining a chat and seeing  a sentence about a guy and a spoon brings fear
Jul 24 18:10:33 <RST38h> blafasel: Why? -- Well, you removed the spoon, you are not holding your finger out, butyou are still SQUINTING YOUR EYE!
Jul 24 18:11:12 <Blafasel> ;)
Jul 24 18:11:26 <Blafasel> Binky: Bad experiences in the past, huh?
Jul 24 18:11:53 <crashanddie> pupnik, that's a great one
Jul 24 18:12:05 <Binky> Blafasel, goatse changed my  life :'S
Jul 24 18:12:14 <Binky> Anyway, can anyone help me with python?
Jul 24 18:12:40 * qwerty12_N800 lolled 1st time i saw goatse :/
Jul 24 18:13:31 <Binky> qwerty12_N800, you wasn't 6 years old like me, true?
Jul 24 18:14:11 <qwerty12_N800> Binky, true
Jul 24 18:15:43 <Binky> I was asking, i have a python interreter, but i must make a line skip in terminal, and by pressing enter, it executes the comand. I tried writin it in nano but i can't open it later
Jul 24 18:15:46 * Khertan_n810 still haven t understand how google manage his contacts list
Jul 24 18:16:18 <Khertan_n810> so u want that there is a pause in your python script
Jul 24 18:16:19 <Khertan_n810> ?
Jul 24 18:16:45 <Binky> Pause?
Jul 24 18:17:08 <Blafasel> Binky: I didn't watch goatse long enough to find the spoon involved, but I truely believe you of course.
Jul 24 18:17:15 <Khertan_n810> explain me what u want to do as if i m 3 years old
Jul 24 18:17:23 <steri> does anyone have that ubuntu mid edition running at n800?
Jul 24 18:17:29 <Khertan_n810> no
Jul 24 18:17:44 <aquatix> Blafasel: heh, yeah, the image stayed on my screen for, like, 0.025sec? :)
Jul 24 18:17:47 <Khertan_n810> mid edition ... is for mid ... so x86
Jul 24 18:18:04 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: might be recompilable
Jul 24 18:18:12 <Blafasel> aquatix: You're old, right? I mean reflexed get worse.. ;)
Jul 24 18:18:33 <Khertan_n810> yes but many things are still linked to atom
Jul 24 18:18:41 <aquatix> Blafasel: hey :P
Jul 24 18:18:43 <Binky> Blafasel, i'm 13
Jul 24 18:18:47 <Khertan_n810> drivers for example
Jul 24 18:18:49 <Blafasel> pupnik: That bash link is great! ;)
Jul 24 18:18:52 <GAN800> aquatix, x86 + 512MB RAM
Jul 24 18:19:14 <aquatix> GAN800: hm, might be a problem on the NIT indeed
Jul 24 18:19:39 <Binky> Khertan, i want to make a line feed... Don't know how to explain it
Jul 24 18:19:56 <Binky> Sure wikipedia does, but i don't
Jul 24 18:20:05 <aquatix> echo "\n" ?
Jul 24 18:20:55 <Khertan_n810> dont know what is a line feed :) sorry for my poor english
Jul 24 18:21:16 <Binky> Khertan,  In computing, a newline (also known as a line break or end-of-line / EOL character) is a special character or sequence of characters signifying the end of a line of text.
Jul 24 18:21:26 <Khertan_n810> ah arf
Jul 24 18:21:33 <Khertan_n810> just a "\n"
Jul 24 18:21:36 <Binky> Khertan, i'm spanish
Jul 24 18:21:40 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 18:22:12 <Binky> aquatix, thank you too
Jul 24 18:22:20 <Binky> Ok, i'll try
Jul 24 18:23:24 <Blafasel> pupnik: The funniest thing is that both are on freenode right now. ;)
Jul 24 18:23:41 <pupnik> hah
Jul 24 18:24:49 <Khertan_n810> someone have already take a look in gdata contact api ?
Jul 24 18:25:40 <Binky> if valor < 0 /n print       'El valor es menor que cero' /n else: /n        'El valor es igual o mayor que cero'
Jul 24 18:25:46 <Binky> This way?
Jul 24 18:26:13 <Binky> Rats, syntax error!
Jul 24 18:26:17 <rm_you> RST38h: i entirely fail to get that
Jul 24 18:26:40 <Khertan_n810> Binky ? is this python code ?
Jul 24 18:27:00 <Binky> Pretends to be
Jul 24 18:27:03 <Khertan_n810> if it s it should be :
Jul 24 18:27:11 <Binky> I'm learning...
Jul 24 18:28:03 <Blafasel> line feed is a char and not always is a or contains a \n a linefeed
Jul 24 18:28:16 <Khertan_n810> #!/usr/bin/env python
Jul 24 18:28:25 <Khertan_n810> if valor < 0:
Jul 24 18:28:36 <Khertan_n810>   print 'blabla'
Jul 24 18:28:39 <zap> strange, isn't OpenStreet Map repositories supposed to be available in the Maemo Mapper's list of maps?
Jul 24 18:28:48 <Khertan_n810> else
Jul 24 18:29:04 <Khertan_n810> else:
Jul 24 18:29:11 <Khertan_n810>   print 'blabla2'
Jul 24 18:29:25 <Binky> Blabla stands for 'the value is less than zero'
Jul 24 18:29:39 <Khertan_n810> don t forget indent and 'else:' is the good line ()
Jul 24 18:29:43 <Binky> Ok, thanks, but
Jul 24 18:29:46 <Khertan_n810> binky>yes
Jul 24 18:30:20 <GAN800> zap, they are.
Jul 24 18:30:50 <Binky> All these things should be in different lines, and if i push ente to change line it executes the code
Jul 24 18:31:21 <Khertan_n810> hum ... do this how ?
Jul 24 18:31:22 <zap> GAN800: yes, my fault, I have installed maemo-topomaps-fi which replace openstreetmap
Jul 24 18:31:37 <Khertan_n810> on the tablet ?
Jul 24 18:31:41 <Binky> Yess
Jul 24 18:31:46 <Khertan_n810> on your computer ?
Jul 24 18:32:02 <Binky> 770 IT
Jul 24 18:32:02 <Khertan_n810> Binky > i suggest u to install a text editor
Jul 24 18:32:10 <Binky> I have nano
Jul 24 18:32:22 <Khertan_n810> hum,  a real text editor :)
Jul 24 18:32:33 <aquatix> vim ftw
Jul 24 18:32:35 <Khertan_n810> pygtkeditor for example
Jul 24 18:32:53 <Binky> I have vim too
Jul 24 18:33:08 <Binky> Anyone prefers emacs to vim?
Jul 24 18:33:21 <aquatix> only people with 20 fingers
Jul 24 18:33:27 * aquatix runs
Jul 24 18:33:46 <Binky> LOL!
Jul 24 18:33:49 <Khertan_n810> http://khertan.net/downloads/Softwares/pygtkeditor-1.3.0.all.deb
Jul 24 18:34:09 <GAN800> Why does python-pygtksourceview depend on libxml2juuiiii when it's not available?
Jul 24 18:34:12 <Blafasel> aquatix: You mean people that like virtualization. Running another OS on top of your current one
Jul 24 18:34:14 <Khertan_n810> write your py script save it with .py extension
Jul 24 18:34:16 <Binky> But how do i open the text file in the interpreter?
Jul 24 18:34:40 <Khertan_n810> and click on the execute button :)
Jul 24 18:34:47 <Khertan_n810> to launch a pytghon script in xterm
Jul 24 18:34:52 <Binky> Lol
Jul 24 18:34:56 <zap> Khertan_n810: is that a Python IDE? :)
Jul 24 18:35:04 <Khertan_n810> cd totherightfolderwhereisyourscript
Jul 24 18:35:22 <Khertan_n810> and type : python mywonderfullscript.py
Jul 24 18:35:25 <Binky> Ok ok...
Jul 24 18:36:03 <Blafasel> Stupid question: Did anyone try clutter on maemo?
Jul 24 18:36:13 <GNUton> Hello all
Jul 24 18:36:14 <Stskeeps> Blafasel: doesn't clutter require opengl?
Jul 24 18:36:20 <qwerty12_N800> ^
Jul 24 18:36:41 <Khertan_n810> zap > pygtkeditor ? it not an ide more a text editor witgh syntax highligh and other goodies
Jul 24 18:37:03 <aquatix> Blafasel: heh, indeed; still wonder when they'll write a decent text editor for it
Jul 24 18:37:05 <Stskeeps> Blafasel: i've had flash in fullscreen in a embedded gecko on Debian on the tablet though. personally, i think that's interesting :P
Jul 24 18:37:45 <Khertan_n810> aquatix > an ide isn t needed agood editor like scribes exist
Jul 24 18:37:54 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 18:38:01 <Blafasel> Stskeeps: Erm. Yes, opengl would be good for that ;)
Jul 24 18:38:09 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: we where talking about the emacs OS ;)
Jul 24 18:38:16 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: but indeed
Jul 24 18:38:24 <Stskeeps> atleast it seems like there's a bit of movement regarding graphics acceleration on the tablets
Jul 24 18:38:24 <aquatix> who needs an IDE if you have vim
Jul 24 18:38:28 <Binky> Khertan, there are newer versions, won't they  work on os2006
Jul 24 18:38:43 <Khertan_n810> on os2006
Jul 24 18:38:57 <Khertan_n810> hum haven t test it
Jul 24 18:39:15 <Khertan_n810> the newer version work only in os2007
Jul 24 18:39:16 <Binky> 2.0.0 or 2.1.0
Jul 24 18:39:29 <Binky> Ok. Thanks.
Jul 24 18:40:27 <Khertan_n810> the 1.3 don t work
Jul 24 18:40:37 <Khertan_n810> what is the error when u type pygtkeditor in  xterm ?
Jul 24 18:41:55 <Binky> I just installed 1.3 and works fine
Jul 24 18:42:18 <Khertan_n810> ah oki :)
Jul 24 18:42:53 <Khertan_n810> in fact new version use gtksourceview which need gtk 2.10
Jul 24 18:43:02 <Binky> Khertan, where are you from, btw?
Jul 24 18:43:09 <Khertan_n810> and 2.10 is only available since chinook
Jul 24 18:43:22 <Khertan_n810> i come from France :)
Jul 24 18:43:58 <Khertan_n810> connection will drop ... i ll enter in a tunnel (train)
Jul 24 18:44:04 <Binky> Lol
Jul 24 18:44:27 <Binky> Good luck in the travel...
Jul 24 18:45:10 <Khertan_n810> oh i make it every day
Jul 24 18:45:17 <Khertan_n810> i work in Paris
Jul 24 18:49:11 <Khertan_n810> do u prefer this khertan.net or this khertan.net/test/
Jul 24 18:50:01 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: the test one is nicely clean
Jul 24 18:50:11 <Khertan_n810> thx
Jul 24 18:50:25 <aquatix> heh, and the first one is buggy
Jul 24 18:50:27 <Khertan_n810> it should be in some days the new site :)
Jul 24 18:50:37 <Khertan_n810> with more capture
Jul 24 18:50:38 <aquatix> if i scroll down, the text walks behind the nav ribbon
Jul 24 18:50:40 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan_n810, i much prefer the test :)
Jul 24 18:50:53 <aquatix> or is that by design?
Jul 24 18:50:55 <Binky> Khertan, /home/user # chmod +x /media/mmc1/Archivo
Jul 24 18:51:01 <Khertan_n810> aquatix > it was made for
Jul 24 18:51:03 <Binky> I make that
Jul 24 18:51:17 <Binky> But stills saying me permission denied
Jul 24 18:51:31 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: ah, k; interesting :)
Jul 24 18:51:38 <qwerty12_N800> Binky, unless the mmc is ext2 and mounted exec, you ain't running nothing off it ;)
Jul 24 18:51:40 <aquatix> but i like your new design
Jul 24 18:51:40 <Khertan_n810> python /media/mmc1/Archivo
Jul 24 18:52:00 <qwerty12_N800> ok, i lied :p
Jul 24 18:52:17 <Khertan_n810> it s avoid fat32 no exec
Jul 24 18:52:27 <Binky> Lol, thanks
Jul 24 18:52:32 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 u lied ?
Jul 24 18:53:10 <Khertan_n810> about what ?
Jul 24 18:53:36 <qwerty12_N800> well, i told the truth about ext2 and exec etc but you are right, you can run a python app off it invoking python manually
Jul 24 18:54:02 <Khertan_n810> hehe
Jul 24 18:54:52 <Binky> For not bothering here, is there a python newbie channel?
Jul 24 18:55:05 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 18:55:28 <Binky> Because   NameError: name 'valor' is not defined
Jul 24 18:55:29 <Khertan_n810> there is an open souce book to learn programming in python
Jul 24 18:55:36 <Khertan_n810> take a look on google
Jul 24 18:55:53 <Khertan_n810> before a if u need to assign it
Jul 24 18:55:58 <Khertan_n810> valor = 0
Jul 24 18:56:14 * qwerty12_N800 has some python books on my mmc, i've never bothered to read them though :/
Jul 24 18:56:14 <aquatix> [hmmm, open sauce]
Jul 24 18:56:36 <aquatix> try dive into python from mark pilgrim
Jul 24 18:56:59 <Khertan_n810> yeah what the name
Jul 24 18:57:06 <Khertan_n810> i was searching
Jul 24 18:57:23 <aquatix> it's quite good :)
Jul 24 18:57:42 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 > u should there is pretty tips about profiling and test case
Jul 24 18:58:03 <Binky> But i meant... If valor is less than zero, print that, not if valor is zero
Jul 24 18:58:07 <Khertan_n810> if i remember it talk also of agile developpment
Jul 24 18:58:14 <aquatix> http://www.diveintopython.org/
Jul 24 18:58:29 <Khertan_n810> yeah but valor has no value ?
Jul 24 18:58:35 <qwerty12_N800> Khertan_n810, I want to learn bash shell scripting first :)
Jul 24 18:58:51 <Khertan_n810> his value must come from somewhere
Jul 24 18:59:14 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 > useless python is available on nit
Jul 24 18:59:39 <Khertan_n810> :)
Jul 24 19:00:19 <Binky> I actually LOL'ed when i  did understand
Jul 24 19:00:25 <Khertan_n810> i made my post/pre install/remove script with :)
Jul 24 19:01:08 <Khertan_n810> binky > you re on a developper channel ... you will see many poor developper joke
Jul 24 19:01:24 <Binky> Is there a way to select the value of valor after executing the script, like input on basic
Jul 24 19:01:34 <Binky> I love geek jokes
Jul 24 19:01:43 <Khertan_n810> eryone know that developper have the worst joke around earth
Jul 24 19:02:11 <zs_> joke?
Jul 24 19:02:57 <Khertan_n810> valor = raw_input('enter a value')
Jul 24 19:04:19 <Khertan_n810> if i believe google i ll be the first to use gdata contact api ... it s not possible, isn t it ?
Jul 24 19:06:06 <steri> http://pastebin.com/m43e5629e is it safe to do apt-get -f install :D
Jul 24 19:13:18 <Binky> If anyone sees Khertan, tell him he's god
Jul 24 19:14:18 <Kohaku> question
Jul 24 19:14:30 <Kohaku> is there an irc client for maemo?
Jul 24 19:14:39 <qwerty12_N800> xchat
Jul 24 19:14:43 <steri> pidgin can do irc also
Jul 24 19:14:59 <lcuk> telnet is supported, but a bit slow
Jul 24 19:15:00 <Kohaku> ooh it has pidgin eh?
Jul 24 19:15:05 <qwerty12_N800> xchat pwns pidgin in regards to irc
Jul 24 19:15:25 <Kohaku> I plan on buying an n810 and was just wondering
Jul 24 19:15:40 <Kohaku> it looks pretty awesome
Jul 24 19:16:51 <steri> Kohaku, http://maemo.org/downloads//communications/
Jul 24 19:18:10 <pH5> n810 is awesome
Jul 24 19:18:13 <pH5> just too slow
Jul 24 19:18:16 * pH5 wants an omap3 tablet
Jul 24 19:18:17 <zfigz> pH5, totally
Jul 24 19:18:33 <zfigz> Anyone know if you can adjust the attention light to blink for things like Skype?
Jul 24 19:20:11 <RST38h> no
Jul 24 19:20:26 <RST38h> there is a program that you can use to control the led
Jul 24 19:20:39 <RST38h> but it is not integrated with skype
Jul 24 19:20:41 <zfigz> Is that in the control panel?
Jul 24 19:21:46 <lcuk> RST38h, isnt it more like: there is an API that any software can use to interact with the LED.  whether or not skype already uses it is another issue cos its uninstalled on mine
Jul 24 19:22:05 <zfigz> man, that's a shame
Jul 24 19:22:53 <RST38h> lcuk: that too
Jul 24 19:23:10 <RST38h> lcuk: with the same outcome though
Jul 24 19:23:31 <RST38h> zfigz6 NO IT IS A COMMAND LINE THING AFAIK
Jul 24 19:23:31 <lcuk> well i dunno if skype makes use of said api
Jul 24 19:23:40 <RST38h> it does not
Jul 24 19:23:50 <lcuk> :) furry muff
Jul 24 19:23:53 <lcuk> it should
Jul 24 19:23:55 <lcuk> lol
Jul 24 19:24:21 <zfigz> yeah
Jul 24 19:24:23 <zfigz> It totally should
Jul 24 19:24:26 <pH5> and no way to make it make use of it, thanks to closed source.
Jul 24 19:24:33 <zfigz> argh
Jul 24 19:24:38 <zfigz> I bought the n810 to replace my phone
Jul 24 19:24:40 <zfigz> so yeah
Jul 24 19:24:49 <zfigz> this is gonna be tough if i can't see my phone ring etc
Jul 24 19:25:13 <lcuk> zfigz, why did you buy a device without a SIM or anything to replace your phone?
Jul 24 19:25:27 <zfigz> because I didn't want a contract
Jul 24 19:25:29 <pH5> zfigz: why not use SIP then?
Jul 24 19:25:37 <lcuk> but wifi isnt everywhere
Jul 24 19:25:40 <zfigz> Yeah, I'm thinking about going the SIP route
Jul 24 19:25:47 <qwerty12_N800> if skype outputs events externally then separate daemons can be made which runs dbus-send etc
Jul 24 19:25:47 <zfigz> lcuk, i don't really care about that
Jul 24 19:25:58 <zfigz> qwerty, yes?
Jul 24 19:26:02 <zfigz> ohhh!
Jul 24 19:26:09 <lcuk> well a mobile phone kinda means you can use it wherever - at the mo wifi is a bit spotty
Jul 24 19:26:19 <zfigz> lcuk, yeah, but that's ok for me
Jul 24 19:26:39 <lcuk> cool
Jul 24 19:26:42 <qwerty12_N800> zfigz, well, only if skype does output its events externally :)
Jul 24 19:27:01 <zfigz> man, i hope they make some changes for the next update.
Jul 24 19:27:08 <zfigz> I also hate that when I call someone they can't see what my number is.
Jul 24 19:27:24 <zfigz> There were just so many SIP providers I didn't know who to pick
Jul 24 19:27:31 <zfigz> Skype seemed like an easy enough choice
Jul 24 19:28:29 <pH5> qwerty12_N800: dbus-send? that reminds me of something,
Jul 24 19:28:30 <pH5> has anybody gotten the standard osso-media-player to talk to maemo-scrobbler somehow?
Jul 24 19:28:54 <Jaffa> re
Jul 24 19:29:48 <lcuk> hey jaffa
Jul 24 19:30:28 <zap> Hmm.. anybody know a reason why app manager rejects an .deb file saying "incompatible package" and dpkg -i installing it fine?
Jul 24 19:30:56 <qwerty12_N800> zap, section prefixed with user/?
Jul 24 19:31:14 <zap> no
Jul 24 19:31:18 <zap> is this a problem?
Jul 24 19:31:26 <qwerty12_N800> yes :)
Jul 24 19:31:33 <zap> why?
Jul 24 19:31:44 <zap> I can't install simple .deb files with app manager?
Jul 24 19:31:49 <qwerty12_N800> using red pill will let you install it though
Jul 24 19:31:54 <zap> ugh
Jul 24 19:32:15 <zap> it's the InfoZIP program
Jul 24 19:32:22 <zap> does it make sense to expose it in the app list?
Jul 24 19:32:45 <zap> it's not quite what I'd call a 'end-user app'
Jul 24 19:33:03 <qwerty12_N800> in that case, no
Jul 24 19:33:30 <zap> uh-oh :) ok, although unzip is user/tools
Jul 24 19:34:04 <qwerty12_N800> hmm, in that case, i may be tempted to have a rethink :)
Jul 24 19:38:15 <Jaffa> qwerty12_N800: shush about red pill. yeesh ;-)
Jul 24 19:40:20 <Blafasel> zfigz: Skype is not SIP, btw.
Jul 24 19:40:43 <zfigz> Yeah, I know
Jul 24 19:40:48 <qwerty12_N800> Jaffa, Well, zap knows what he is doing :).
Jul 24 19:41:02 <Blafasel> Ok, didn't want to nitpick, but confusion might lead to problems later there ;)
Jul 24 19:41:02 <zfigz> I don't know of a good SIP service to use is why I went for Skyep
Jul 24 19:41:06 <zfigz> but I think it might have been a mistake
Jul 24 19:41:40 <Blafasel> Well, go for gizmo first before you use skype.
Jul 24 19:41:49 <Blafasel> And search something better than gizmo soon afterwards ;)
Jul 24 19:42:50 * qwerty12_N800 should learn properly. i should make headset-control use the native python dbus module rather than dbus-send...
Jul 24 19:43:08 <qwerty12_N800> learn python properly even...
Jul 24 19:44:48 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: are you getting the pandora when it's available?
Jul 24 19:48:32 <zfigz> woah, i never really looked at gizmo
Jul 24 19:50:10 <lcuk> summatusmentis, i dont like the formfactor - the 810 slide out is perfect for my usage profile and i can keep it in its handy cradle
Jul 24 19:50:29 <lcuk> but i would want the guts of it
Jul 24 19:50:59 <qwerty12_N800> the pandora looks pretty fugly. i'll look into the n900 and getting my psp fixed.
Jul 24 19:51:09 <summatusmentis> lcuk: I'm not sure what I think either. I really liked the clamshell Zaurii
Jul 24 19:51:16 <summatusmentis> and I really like the hardware
Jul 24 19:51:27 <lcuk> yes, but couldnt that fold back on itself tablet style?
Jul 24 19:51:51 <summatusmentis> yeh, but I never used it that way
Jul 24 19:51:56 <lcuk> summatusmentis, i seriously doubt the pandora will be the only viable omap3 hardware around
Jul 24 19:52:36 <summatusmentis> lcuk: I'm not saying it will
Jul 24 19:52:44 <summatusmentis> I want the dual SD slots :)
Jul 24 19:52:50 <zfigz> Is there a way to designate where something gets installed? I don't have enough room to install Gizmo it seems.
Jul 24 19:53:33 <lcuk> zfigz, then uninstall some other stuff?   a more tricky solution is available where you can move entire system to arbitary mmc card
Jul 24 19:58:26 <lcuk> summatusmentis, how much is it going up for?
Jul 24 19:58:41 * lcuk just looked closer than before and thinks its cool
Jul 24 19:59:56 <summatusmentis> according to the website $330
Jul 24 20:00:11 <summatusmentis> or I think it said 212 eur
Jul 24 20:02:11 <lcuk> :) very nice
Jul 24 20:02:40 <RST38bis> moo
Jul 24 20:04:38 <summatusmentis> lcuk: yeh, agreed
Jul 24 20:04:48 <summatusmentis> way cheaper than any potential n900 would be, I assume
Jul 24 20:06:25 <lcuk> depends, i think the current pricing trend has to be downward
Jul 24 20:07:51 <RST38bis> pricing for what?
Jul 24 20:08:10 <lcuk> all small computers.  aren't we in a race to the bottom
Jul 24 20:08:41 <elekt> what, there's a n900?
Jul 24 20:08:47 <elekt> :(
Jul 24 20:08:54 <lcuk> no
Jul 24 20:09:03 <elekt> yay
Jul 24 20:09:05 <lcuk> speculated next model advance
Jul 24 20:09:26 <lcuk> looking around you can see what the specs should be
Jul 24 20:09:36 <RST38bis> oh those
Jul 24 20:10:00 <RST38bis> well these are funny
Jul 24 20:10:19 <RST38bis> they have potential to kill big pc manufacturers
Jul 24 20:10:39 <rm_you> lcuk: any new builds since 2008/06/25?
Jul 24 20:10:54 <lcuk> on liqbase?
Jul 24 20:11:08 <rm_you> yes
Jul 24 20:11:16 <RST38bis> but this stuff not directly related to nokia, as its are not "cheap notebooks"
Jul 24 20:11:23 <Blafasel> Guinea pig! Guinea pig!
Jul 24 20:11:35 <zfigz> So is Gizmo better than skype?
Jul 24 20:11:41 <Blafasel> zfigz: Different.
Jul 24 20:11:44 <Blafasel> And using SIP
Jul 24 20:11:44 <zfigz> yeah?
Jul 24 20:11:58 <lcuk> rm_you, ive got a few things brewing - a few bug fixes in svn, its almost packaged - should have them out in a couple of days for testing
Jul 24 20:12:05 <zfigz> Hmm, I've already bought a number with Skype and gotten voicemail
Jul 24 20:12:05 <Blafasel> Which is, contrary to skype's protocol, open and understood.
Jul 24 20:12:10 <zfigz> not sure what I should do
Jul 24 20:12:21 <Blafasel> zfigz: Than stick to skype if it works for you?
Jul 24 20:12:28 <Blafasel> I don't like it for various reasons.
Jul 24 20:12:50 <RST38bis> open <> better
Jul 24 20:12:54 <Blafasel> Apart from the ideology stuff: I hate the wasted bandwidth and don't trust it.
Jul 24 20:12:55 <rm_you> lcuk: cool
Jul 24 20:13:06 <Blafasel> RST38bis: Correct. I never intended to claim that.
Jul 24 20:13:15 <RST38bis> skype's call quality is better than your average sip
Jul 24 20:13:19 <rm_you> lcuk: is there a simple way for the time being to load my own .txt to the bookreader? command line wasn't working last i checked
Jul 24 20:13:34 <Blafasel> RST38bis: So is the bandwidth consumption and in my experience the cpu needed.
Jul 24 20:13:36 <RST38bis> and no, i do not trust skype either
Jul 24 20:13:53 <Blafasel> It's a compromise and a personal preference. Like most things.
Jul 24 20:13:58 <RST38bis> blafasel: essentially correct
Jul 24 20:14:21 <zfigz> Hmmpf, hard decision.
Jul 24 20:14:42 <lcuk> rm_you, yes there is
Jul 24 20:14:46 <RST38bis> I would go with skype first
Jul 24 20:14:55 <RST38bis> easier to set up
Jul 24 20:16:09 <zfigz> yeah
Jul 24 20:16:11 <zfigz> I'm using that
Jul 24 20:16:13 <RST38bis> would then give gizmo a chance and compare
Jul 24 20:16:15 <zfigz> I have an incoming number and all
Jul 24 20:16:26 <zfigz> Could you guys tell me if when you call someone you number shows up?
Jul 24 20:16:46 <zfigz> That's one thing I hate about Skype and also...does the light blink when someone calls you ?
Jul 24 20:20:02 <zfigz> Hello?
Jul 24 20:22:04 <misGnomer> Got a little issue with fresh Diablo install. microB finds net pages fine, but Application Manager fails to see anything. The log shows that it's trying to connect to 127.0.0.1
Jul 24 20:22:39 <qwerty12_N800> misGnomer, I believe you need to add dns entries manually in /etc/resolver.conf
Jul 24 20:23:26 <misGnomer> Hmm. Just wondering why?
Jul 24 20:23:57 <misGnomer> microB gets IP addresses normally
Jul 24 20:24:11 <qwerty12_N800> No idea :/. i know Atarii and a few others at the itt forum have had the same problem.
Jul 24 20:25:17 <Atarii> echo 208.67.222.222 > /etc/resolv.conf
Jul 24 20:25:29 <Atarii> or replace with your dns server
Jul 24 20:25:32 <Atarii> that fixed it for me
Jul 24 20:26:06 <misGnomer> I did use Privoxy some months ago but removed it, and app manager still worked ok. Now I restored Settings, among other things, and maybe it brought back the ghost of privoxy.
Jul 24 20:26:16 * qwerty12_N800 would use >> instead of >
Jul 24 20:26:30 <Atarii> qwerty12_N800: good point
Jul 24 20:27:08 <Atarii> echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resol.conf
Jul 24 20:27:12 <Atarii> gah
Jul 24 20:27:58 * Atarii gives up and goes back to watch Gok Won on sky+ ...
Jul 24 20:28:08 <misGnomer> Where does Diablo normally get its resolv.conf, if all goes well. Not from the router?
Jul 24 20:29:14 <qwerty12_N800> check /etc/resolvconf/
Jul 24 20:29:46 <misGnomer> So I'll just follow Atarii's example, and replace the IP address with my current DNS?
Jul 24 20:30:25 <zfigz> Does the light blink on the n810 when someone calls when you use Gizmo?
Jul 24 20:32:48 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, does the package builder thing have to clean and rebuild my project every time?
Jul 24 20:33:06 <Blafasel> zfigz: No idea. You can play with the LED quite easily and do fancy stuff with it.
Jul 24 20:33:15 <Blafasel> If the gizmo or skype app use it? No idea.
Jul 24 20:33:21 <zfigz> Yeah, that's what I was wondering.
Jul 24 20:33:25 <zfigz> I know Skype doesn't use it
Jul 24 20:33:27 <zfigz> which is quite annoying'
Jul 24 20:33:34 <zfigz> I'm setting up a gizmo account now
Jul 24 20:33:36 <Blafasel> If they (we had that before) expose the calling event somehow (dbus) it would be easy to add something like that.
Jul 24 20:33:38 <zfigz> $35 for a number...argh
Jul 24 20:33:43 <Blafasel> zfigz: Bah.
Jul 24 20:33:50 <qwerty12_N800> lcuk, yes, dpkg-buildpackage cleans it by default. i remember jott saying that using the -nc switch won't clean
Jul 24 20:33:50 <Blafasel> zfigz: Try the free version first, dammit ;)
Jul 24 20:33:50 <zfigz> 2 numbers for me :_
Jul 24 20:33:52 <zfigz> er :)
Jul 24 20:34:01 <zfigz> I'm playing with Gizmo5 now
Jul 24 20:34:04 <zfigz> I just bought the number
Jul 24 20:34:04 <lcuk> cool, ill try it thanks
Jul 24 20:34:13 <Blafasel> zfigz: You have too much cash ;)
Jul 24 20:34:34 <Atarii> lol
Jul 24 20:34:38 <GAN800> summatusmentis, probably, but mostly just to have and not as a tablet replacement
Jul 24 20:34:51 <GAN800> Depends a bit on funds
Jul 24 20:35:03 <Blafasel> Regarding the LED on the N810: Did anyone create a "No money for LSD, good that I have my tablet" app for that already? That might be a simple first step for my development career on maemo ;)
Jul 24 20:35:03 <GAN800> and may be superceded by the beagle.
Jul 24 20:35:13 <summatusmentis> GAN800: ah, I see
Jul 24 20:35:16 <summatusmentis> the beagle?
Jul 24 20:36:00 <misGnomer> Bugger. Permission denied! I guess I'll need to find the rootsh package now...
Jul 24 20:36:19 <zfigz> Bla, I'm on credit :P
Jul 24 20:36:35 <zfigz> Get paid tomorrow
Jul 24 20:36:48 <Blafasel> Yeah, know that feeling..
Jul 24 20:37:36 <Blafasel> I hope my birthday gets me back on track.. Same as every year, waiting for christmas or birthday to fix my account.
Jul 24 20:41:50 <RST38x> And when detectives called Clevenger's cellphone to negotiate his arrest, he answered, "Dude, I can't talk, I'm being chased by the police." ... Clevenger eventually escaped on foot around the University of Minnesota campus and remains at large.
Jul 24 20:48:30 <khertan_> Hello again ! (Copyright Apple Computer)
Jul 24 20:50:33 <pupnik> eh what?
Jul 24 20:52:49 <misGnomer> Guys. Installed rootsh (that you, qwerty?) and echoed my main DNS to resolv.conf, which now has two entries (first is still 127.0.0.1). Fired up app manager and it's still same story: it can't find the repos at "127.0.0.1:8118"
Jul 24 20:53:20 <Atarii> get rid of the first entry
Jul 24 20:53:55 <misGnomer> This is fresh Diablo... with what?
Jul 24 20:54:01 <Atarii> echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 >> /etc/resolv.conf
Jul 24 20:54:06 <RST38x> vi
Jul 24 20:54:14 <misGnomer> hehe
Jul 24 20:54:30 <qwerty12_N800> Atarii, now i'd use > :p
Jul 24 20:55:21 <Atarii> lol
Jul 24 20:55:23 <Atarii> i hate you
Jul 24 20:55:43 <qwerty12_N800> :p
Jul 24 20:55:44 <misGnomer> Atarii, should I use my secondary DNS there?
Jul 24 20:56:13 <jott> whats broken with dnsmasq anyway?
Jul 24 20:56:13 <Atarii> try the one i posted, its OpenDNS
Jul 24 20:56:16 <jott> works fine here :P
Jul 24 20:56:52 <jott> misGnomer: what does     cat /tmp/resolv.conf.wlan0 say?
Jul 24 20:59:28 <misGnomer> jott, that one's got my two DNS entries correctly
Jul 24 20:59:51 <jott> have you any other  /tmp/resolv.conf.* ?
Jul 24 21:00:03 <misGnomer> and Atarii, the opendns didn't fix app manager's woes
Jul 24 21:01:12 <misGnomer> jott, only that one in /tmp/
Jul 24 21:02:31 <misGnomer> and microb loads pages just fine...
Jul 24 21:02:55 <jott> so maybe your sources.list is broken or you have some stuff in /etc/hosts ...
Jul 24 21:04:21 <misGnomer> hosts are: 127.0.0.1 / Nokia-N800-23-14 / localhost
Jul 24 21:07:21 <misGnomer> well well, sources.list looks blank, although app manager sees the repos!
Jul 24 21:07:46 <misGnomer> it should be at /etc/apt/sources.list, right?
Jul 24 21:07:49 <jott> there is also /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
Jul 24 21:09:21 <misGnomer> ok, there they are (in hildon-application-manager.list)
Jul 24 21:14:13 <misGnomer> I tried disabling all repos except Nokia SSU (can't edit). Same thing; it can't find what it's looking for at 127.0.0.1:8118
Jul 24 21:15:18 <misGnomer> Should I start get worried now?  ;-)
Jul 24 21:16:23 <Mercury> What is is trying to connect to at port 8118 on localhost?
Jul 24 21:16:48 <misGnomer> how do I try that?
Jul 24 21:17:33 <misGnomer> oh, App Manager is trying to fetch the package lists from the repos there
Jul 24 21:21:23 <misGnomer> "E: Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/diablo/Release.gpg Could not connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
Jul 24 21:21:37 <misGnomer> It gives this error for all the repos
Jul 24 21:22:18 <Mercury> misGnomer: Pull up an xterm, 'ping -v catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com'
Jul 24 21:23:36 <misGnomer> ping works ok (now how do I stop it!?)
Jul 24 21:23:42 <Mercury> ctrl-c
Jul 24 21:23:49 <Mercury> What IP is it pinging?
Jul 24 21:23:58 <misGnomer> ok ctrl-c
Jul 24 21:24:17 <misGnomer> 208.50.79.17
Jul 24 21:24:55 <misGnomer> ping works, microb works, app manager just stares at localhost...
Jul 24 21:24:57 <Mercury> That is bizarre, I have no ideas.
Jul 24 21:25:18 <Kegetys> a proxy configures somewhere?
Jul 24 21:25:22 <khertan_> misGnomer ... i get this one time too
Jul 24 21:25:29 <crashanddie> got*
Jul 24 21:25:30 <khertan_> proxy configured in connection ...
Jul 24 21:25:54 <crashanddie> misGnomer & Mercury: there's one thing you missed: port 8118
Jul 24 21:25:55 <khertan_> removed it ... and application manager still got the same error ... ( thx crashanddie)
Jul 24 21:25:57 <crashanddie> and that's not HTTP
Jul 24 21:25:57 <misGnomer> i had privoxy install in the past but removed it..
Jul 24 21:26:08 <crashanddie> well obviously you didn't
Jul 24 21:26:17 <khertan_> but apt-get update work
Jul 24 21:26:28 <crashanddie> because apt-get doesn't use the proxy
Jul 24 21:26:33 <khertan_> it seems that application manager cache something somewhere
Jul 24 21:26:36 <crashanddie> apt-get would use a proxy if you had a bash-configured proxy
Jul 24 21:26:43 <khertan_> :)
Jul 24 21:26:47 <Mercury> Ah, hell, yeah, it's a proxy isn't it.
Jul 24 21:27:19 * crashanddie tries to catch his breath
Jul 24 21:27:20 <misGnomer> so how did you fix the app manager?
Jul 24 21:27:37 <crashanddie> misGnomer, you don't have to fix the app manager, just check your connection settings
Jul 24 21:27:50 <crashanddie> misGnomer, find something that relates 8118 in there, and you have a done deal
Jul 24 21:28:10 <misGnomer> but the proxy is disabled
Jul 24 21:28:17 <crashanddie> well, obviously, it isn't
Jul 24 21:28:47 <misGnomer> so maybe I should try installing privoxy via apt-get?
Jul 24 21:28:56 <crashanddie> what ?
Jul 24 21:28:58 <crashanddie> Nooo
Jul 24 21:29:02 <crashanddie> don't install anything
Jul 24 21:29:24 <crashanddie> putain d'assistés merde quoi
Jul 24 21:29:36 <crashanddie> misGnomer, go into settings -> control panel
Jul 24 21:29:48 <crashanddie> double tap connectivity, then select connections
Jul 24 21:30:01 <crashanddie> this should give you a list of connections that are saved in the NIT
Jul 24 21:30:07 <crashanddie> select the one you're on right now
Jul 24 21:30:07 <misGnomer> ok
Jul 24 21:30:30 <crashanddie> click Edit, then when the dialog has loaded, hit next
Jul 24 21:30:40 <crashanddie> hit next two more times
Jul 24 21:30:52 <crashanddie> you'll see a "connection setup is complete" dialog, click advanced
Jul 24 21:31:03 <crashanddie> and there you have it "use proxy"
Jul 24 21:31:14 <misGnomer> "Use proxy" is not selected (but the old entries are there, greyed out)
Jul 24 21:31:40 <crashanddie> hmm
Jul 24 21:31:55 <misGnomer> that's what I said
Jul 24 21:32:01 <misGnomer> hmm
Jul 24 21:32:12 <crashanddie> misGnomer, do you have gconf installed ?
Jul 24 21:32:22 <misGnomer> nope. fresh diablo here
Jul 24 21:32:37 <misGnomer> w/ stuff restored
Jul 24 21:33:00 <khertan_> crashanddie> lol
Jul 24 21:33:05 <misGnomer> stuff that worked under Chinook
Jul 24 21:33:39 <khertan_> crashanddie > y'a rellement un bug avec cette activation/désactivation de proxy
Jul 24 21:33:52 <crashanddie> misGnomer, ok, apt-get install gconf-editor
Jul 24 21:33:59 <misGnomer> so what if I try installing privoxy and then enable the proxy again?
Jul 24 21:34:56 <crashanddie> misGnomer, did you install it ?
Jul 24 21:35:01 <khertan_> http://jonnylamb.com/category/maemo-hildon/
Jul 24 21:35:23 <khertan_> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998
Jul 24 21:35:26 <crashanddie> misGnomer, I need an answer
Jul 24 21:35:42 <misGnomer> "couldn't find package"...
Jul 24 21:35:51 <Blafasel> Funny enough. There's an article about the real possibility of a skype backdoor right now in front of me.
Jul 24 21:35:59 <crashanddie> Blafasel, old news
Jul 24 21:36:07 <khertan_> gconftool-2 -R /system/http_proxy use_http_proxy = true use_authentication = false host = toto ignore_hosts = [] authentication_user =  authentication_password =  port = 1
Jul 24 21:36:20 <Blafasel> crashanddie: One more reason not to use it
Jul 24 21:36:27 <khertan_> lol ... a dev that let a debug 'toto' string
Jul 24 21:37:16 <khertan_> misGnomer: this is a workaround
Jul 24 21:37:18 <khertan_> Just edit the connection in Connection Manager and in the "advanced" section:
Jul 24 21:37:18 <khertan_> o tick the proxy-enable box
Jul 24 21:37:18 <khertan_> o delete the proxy IP
Jul 24 21:37:18 <khertan_> o set the port to 0
Jul 24 21:37:21 <khertan_> o untick the proxy-enable box
Jul 24 21:38:10 <crashanddie> well, I found it in a single google search, so mister incompetent should have been able to find it too
Jul 24 21:38:19 <crashanddie> anyway, back to pushups
Jul 24 21:38:21 <crashanddie> cheers
Jul 24 21:39:32 <misGnomer> ok khertan, was just looking for gcong-editor via maemo downloads web site
Jul 24 21:41:10 <GNUton> night
Jul 24 21:44:44 <misGnomer> HEY PRESTO! Khertan... your workaround worked!
Jul 24 21:45:05 <crashanddie> misGnomer, next time, google it
Jul 24 21:45:09 <crashanddie> misGnomer, glad it works
Jul 24 21:47:07 <misGnomer> crashanddie, trust me, I did try googling but when you don't know exactly what the problem is... sorry for the noise but thanks again all who helped.
Jul 24 21:47:41 <crashanddie> misGnomer, the dead giveaway was in your first error message really
Jul 24 21:47:53 <crashanddie> 127.0.0.1:8118
Jul 24 21:48:30 <misGnomer> so the correct search string would've been...?
Jul 24 21:48:31 <crashanddie> 8118 really isn't a common port, especially when the protocol is HTTP (as noted in the URL: "Failed to fetch http://catalogue.tablet..."
Jul 24 21:48:45 <crashanddie> "application manager proxy maemo"
Jul 24 21:49:16 <crashanddie> the second link, without even clicking on it, reads: "The Application Manager gets its proxy configuration from the /system/http_proxy/ keys in GConf"
Jul 24 21:49:26 <crashanddie> so that's why I told you to install gconf-editor
Jul 24 21:52:20 <zfigz> Would it be stupid to have both gizmo and skype? And then just have them call forward each other?
Jul 24 21:52:31 <zfigz> I really want the caller id that gizmo offers
Jul 24 21:53:09 <misGnomer> you got it right but I had to look for gconf-editor via web since apt-get didn't fetch it and meanwhile khertan offered another idea. I apologize for not being geeky enough.
Jul 24 21:54:09 <crashanddie> misGnomer, that's alright, though, I used apt-get to install gconf-editor, so you might want to check your repos so you have access to all the joy
Jul 24 22:00:26 <GeneralAntilles> summatusmentis, beagleboard.org assuming you didn't find it.
Jul 24 22:00:48 <summatusmentis> GeneralAntilles: I didn't actually look, thanks :)
Jul 24 22:00:56 * GeneralAntilles 's "GA needs a Mac Pro" fund has really been gutted by ARM devices.
Jul 24 22:01:02 <GeneralAntilles> You should, the thing is badass.
Jul 24 22:02:52 <summatusmentis> yeh, I'm looking for something pocketable
Jul 24 22:02:59 <summatusmentis> so a complete device over a board
Jul 24 22:03:11 * summatusmentis just got a tablet pc :)
Jul 24 22:09:33 <Binky> Is Khertan here?
Jul 24 22:15:05 <Blafasel> lcuk: Anything to throw at me? ;)
Jul 24 22:17:23 <lcuk> pm..
Jul 24 22:39:57 <Atarii> quiet in here.... :(
Jul 24 22:40:39 <housetier> its not the time ;)
Jul 24 22:48:49 <Atarii> is there a way to uninstall all the locales i never use?
Jul 24 22:49:26 <Jaffa> My last few night's hacking have made the proof-of-concept Vala plugin for Eclipse almost usable: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=203154#post206712
Jul 24 22:49:38 <Jaffa> Faffing with tools is so much more satisfying than actually writing code.
Jul 24 22:53:59 <pupnik> Atarii: you ask good questions... maybe search ITT forums for it, or the lists
Jul 24 22:54:59 <pupnik> neat Jaffa
Jul 24 22:55:14 <Atarii> ooo localpurge
Jul 24 22:55:28 <Atarii> s/localpurge/localepurge
Jul 24 22:56:38 <Atarii> gah the localepurge site is dead
Jul 24 23:21:22 <pupnik> i use rm -r
Jul 24 23:22:35 <pupnik> In case you never saw it.  They pointed the hubble at a black patch of sky for 11 days, and captured this image of thousands of galaxies up to 78 billion light years away  http://www.jonathanminard.com/EarthSpace/Hubble_Ultra_Deep_Field_Black_point_edit.jpg
Jul 24 23:24:37 <gramulhaozin> they photoshoped it.
Jul 24 23:24:40 <gramulhaozin> :P
Jul 24 23:33:27 <Jaffa> pupnik: cool
Jul 24 23:42:53 <AStorm> gramulhaozin: it'd show, no, it's genuine
Jul 24 23:43:10 <gramulhaozin> :P
Jul 24 23:43:36 <AStorm> these are *very* far from here
Jul 24 23:49:25 <gramulhaozin> asedeno: no it's not
Jul 24 23:49:28 <gramulhaozin> AStorm: no it's not
Jul 24 23:49:50 <AStorm> prove it
Jul 24 23:49:52 <gramulhaozin> AStorm: the real version has some alien space shuffle's going around
Jul 24 23:49:58 <AStorm> lol
Jul 24 23:50:11 <AStorm> there is one here too
Jul 24 23:50:17 <AStorm> but you can't see it, it's too far and too fast
Jul 24 23:50:34 <AStorm> it takes some hours to get a "pixel" lit on this photo
Jul 24 23:50:42 <AStorm> of staying in place and emitting light
Jul 24 23:52:30 <gramulhaozin> AStorm: I'm waiting for the new space pics taken with N810
Jul 24 23:52:43 <AStorm> go out tonight and make them
Jul 24 23:52:55 <AStorm> or better, do that in daylight
Jul 24 23:53:06 <AStorm> the camera is suck
Jul 24 23:55:42 <gramulhaozin> sometimes I just think about the n810 as a brick of cheap parts
Jul 24 23:55:44 <gramulhaozin> camera suckz
Jul 24 23:55:46 <gramulhaozin> gps suckz
Jul 24 23:55:55 <gramulhaozin> cpu suckz
Jul 25 00:04:10 <pupnik> point to a better cpu with the same power profile
Jul 25 00:05:02 <lcuk> gramulhaozin, whats wrong with the cpu?
Jul 25 00:05:15 <gramulhaozin> it's not from me
Jul 25 00:05:45 <gramulhaozin> it's from reading about it
Jul 25 00:06:09 <lcuk> we are only using about 1/3 its optimal power
Jul 25 00:06:53 <lcuk> and that third is having to do everything :'(
Jul 25 00:07:04 <lcuk> evening pupnik btw
Jul 25 00:09:58 <pupnik> hey the openmoko statusbar icons are stolen from maemo (?)
Jul 25 00:10:04 <pupnik> morning lcuk
Jul 25 00:10:29 <lcuk> i saw hrw in today asking - they are cc
Jul 25 00:10:41 <lcuk> or something
Jul 25 00:12:32 <Atarii770> Which
Jul 25 00:12:50 <lcuk> ubuntu carry them as well
Jul 25 00:13:01 <pupnik> achaa...   bluetooth, wlan icons etc
Jul 25 00:13:05 <lcuk> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-07-24.log.html
Jul 25 00:13:19 <lcuk> search for scratchbox icons
Jul 25 00:15:28 <GAN800> Somebody else with soft poweroff troubles want to jump in on bug #2400.
Jul 25 00:16:02 <lcuk> are those the ones pupnik
Jul 25 00:18:38 <pupnik> ah ty lcuk
Jul 25 00:19:08 <lcuk> i didnt realise they were for openmoko, but it makes sense
Jul 25 00:41:53 <lcuk> does anyone know of a concise way for me to make a tap or a click sound at any arbitary point?  i would like to get some feedback from the liqbase menu
Jul 25 00:47:47 <pupnik> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alsa+programming  ?
Jul 25 00:51:03 <henrique> hey guys, we are going to write a viewer (vector based) for gps navigation... we are free to contribute this code to some project related, probably maemo-mapper
Jul 25 00:51:41 <henrique> my doubt is if there is some data provider for these "vector data" needed
Jul 25 00:52:03 <henrique> freely available in the internet, so everyone can use without problems
Jul 25 00:52:31 <pupnik> openstreetmap?
Jul 25 00:53:22 <henrique> they supply vector based info? or just raster images?
Jul 25 00:53:45 <johnx> both I thought
Jul 25 00:54:37 <henrique> let me check, that would be great!
Jul 25 00:59:58 <ds3> TIGER
Jul 25 01:00:24 <johnx> ds3, great in the US...
Jul 25 01:02:06 <ds3> complain to the local gov ;)
Jul 25 01:02:15 <johnx> lulz
Jul 25 01:07:28 <chrisak-> I'm having a terrible time finding a game to reinstall... something like 'gplanetary' ... to I have the name wrong?
Jul 25 01:08:04 <johnx> describe it a little
Jul 25 01:09:24 <chrisak-> it was like untangling designs by moving dots around
Jul 25 02:14:02 <PupUser9b98cb> Hi, I need to set my timezone to America/Phoenix, but that's not available.  (n810)
Jul 25 02:14:15 <GeneralAntilles> The OMAP2420 is a hot CPU.
Jul 25 02:14:33 <GeneralAntilles> Screen is awesome, case is awesome, wifi is awesome, Bluetooth is fine.
Jul 25 02:14:41 <GeneralAntilles> A small number of the parts are cheap
Jul 25 02:14:48 <GeneralAntilles> GPS and camera
Jul 25 02:15:17 <johnx> PupUser9b98cb, Does Phoenix do something strange with DST compared to other cities in that timezone?
Jul 25 02:15:37 <johnx> nm, googled
Jul 25 02:15:42 <PupUser9b98cb> We do not observe daylight savings time in Arizona.
Jul 25 02:16:02 <PupUser9b98cb> I'm actually in Tucson.
Jul 25 02:16:15 <PupUser9b98cb> I have root shell on the n810 if that helps.
Jul 25 02:18:38 <johnx> PupUser9b98cb, why not set to denver and unclick DST zone?
Jul 25 02:19:05 <PupUser9b98cb> I think it was screwed up by the lcars theme, I'm just re-flashing it.
Jul 25 02:19:13 <PupUser9b98cb> I just got it today.  :-)
Jul 25 02:19:22 <johnx> having fun so far?
Jul 25 02:19:27 <PupUser9b98cb> Yes!
Jul 25 02:19:43 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, so what was the OMAP2420 commercial about?
Jul 25 02:19:52 <PupUser9b98cb> openssh server and client, paired and internet access through my phone, you can't beat it!
Jul 25 02:20:08 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody said the CPU sucks
Jul 25 02:20:14 <GeneralAntilles> which is quite clearly not the case.
Jul 25 02:20:15 <johnx> yeah, wish my phone had BT...
Jul 25 02:20:39 <PupUser9b98cb> I have an unlimimted data pkan through Sprint SERO.
Jul 25 02:20:46 <PupUser9b98cb> Muahahahahaha!
Jul 25 02:21:02 <johnx> isn't that "unlimited (5GB limit)" now?
Jul 25 02:21:12 <PupUser9b98cb> Not to my knowledge?
Jul 25 02:21:21 <johnx> nevermind then
Jul 25 02:21:30 <johnx> I thought I heard they were going to change or something
Jul 25 02:21:31 <PupUser9b98cb> My plan is a year or more old if that makes a difference?
Jul 25 02:22:03 <johnx> PupUser9b98cb, http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=3033 is what I was thinking of
Jul 25 02:23:53 <PupUser9b98cb> Mine is not a tethering plan, so we'll see...
Jul 25 02:25:58 <PupUser9b98cb> Not sure I'll exceed 5M anyway.
Jul 25 02:26:44 <johnx> yeah, if it's not your primary inet access you should be fine I guess
Jul 25 02:44:13 <PupUser9b98cb> Is there a vnc viewer for maemo?
Jul 25 02:44:22 <johnx> I think so
Jul 25 02:44:41 <johnx> google knows all :)
Jul 25 02:44:51 <PupUser9b98cb> :)
Jul 25 02:57:52 <F-i-G> oi
Jul 25 02:57:55 <F-i-G> hey fellas
Jul 25 02:58:05 <F-i-G> Anyone know the gizmo SIP settings for the default internet call app?
Jul 25 02:58:21 <F-i-G> I'd like to take advantage of the blinking blue light and just not use the gizmo client.
Jul 25 02:59:21 <F-i-G> Hello?
Jul 25 02:59:24 <bef0rd> Hi
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