**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 02:59:57 2008 Jul 27 03:04:28 * robink removes the N810 Diablo image binary from his webserver. Jul 27 03:08:14 robink: speaking of firmware, what the name of the diablo image? (or just a glob-syntax to match it?) I should have a copy on my Windows partition somewhere (used the Tablet Update Wizard), but I'm not sure where to look, or what to look for. Jul 27 03:08:52 callahad: The name on my system is RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin . When you pull it from the webserver it has a comma at the end (RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin,) Jul 27 03:09:48 callahad: That's the image for the N810 (RX-44). There may also be a newer image, the one on my system is a little over a week old. Jul 27 03:10:27 robink: Thanks -- ./me fires off a find Jul 27 03:10:43 Ooh, there's a RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM[1].bin Jul 27 03:10:53 How big is it? Jul 27 03:11:18 Mine is 129,103,249 bytes. Jul 27 03:11:49 md5sum is 589056ea3c725f12e211e401b7c953db Jul 27 03:12:26 yep, the same md5 Jul 27 03:12:38 Yeah, I'd say it's legit then. Jul 27 03:12:44 So, your is current, at least as of Thursday Jul 27 03:12:48 Yay Jul 27 03:13:17 Hooray for Temporary Internet Files/Content.IE5/1QKN9XW3! Jul 27 03:13:24 lol Jul 27 03:13:27 (I shall never flash in Windows again) Jul 27 03:13:48 I have a friend who had to boot into Linux to flash his N800 (he's a Mac guy). Jul 27 03:14:17 I dual-boot and always flash with Linux (I don't trust Windows' USB stack). Jul 27 03:15:17 I couldn't decide if I trusted linux and a third party flasher or windows and the Nokia wizard more Jul 27 03:15:32 ah Jul 27 03:15:43 (given that the device was 12 hours old at the time) Jul 27 03:21:32 it's pretty unlikely to brick the device during a reflash Jul 27 03:21:48 AFAIK, there aren't any documented cases of that actually happening Jul 27 03:40:08 johnx: I've bricked a device by attempting an apt-get distupgrade. Jul 27 03:41:41 robink, so it's completely dead and could never be used again as anything except a brick? Jul 27 03:42:40 johnx: No, so that it was in a reboot loop until I reflashed it. Jul 27 03:43:03 I probably could've repaired it if I knew what I was doing, but I didn't. Jul 27 03:43:19 bricked means "permanently dead" (sometimes with the caveat that it could be fixed by replacing hardware or using JTAG) Jul 27 03:43:38 if it can be fixed with software it's not bricked Jul 27 03:46:53 though the term does seem to be applied much more generally these days... Jul 27 03:49:00 current usage seems to mean more along the lines of "temporarily rendered inoperable" Jul 27 03:49:06 I blame the iPhone. Jul 27 03:49:17 heh Jul 27 03:49:53 it's like saying "Yeah, Jim was dead. They had to yell at him before he woke up." Jul 27 04:10:31 johnx: Gotcha Jul 27 04:51:36 hey Jul 27 04:51:42 anyone know why comix might not be running for me? Jul 27 04:52:14 F-i-G, have you tried launching it from x terminal? Jul 27 04:55:11 no Jul 27 04:55:15 sudo comix? Jul 27 04:55:17 is that the command? Jul 27 04:55:24 shouldn't need sudo Jul 27 04:55:39 try just "comix" Jul 27 04:55:43 ok Jul 27 04:56:48 decoder zip not available is what it says Jul 27 04:56:51 IOError Jul 27 04:56:58 and some other shit before it Jul 27 04:57:21 can you post the whole message to pastebin? Jul 27 05:01:25 ya Jul 27 05:02:51 posted Jul 27 05:03:00 zfigz is my name Jul 27 05:03:19 k Jul 27 05:03:58 I would try to install zip if I were you Jul 27 05:04:03 not sure if it will help Jul 27 05:04:09 i have unzip Jul 27 05:04:33 I'll try to install comix and see if I can figure it out Jul 27 05:04:38 I do want to use it anyways Jul 27 05:04:53 I'll tell you if I find anything out, but it might be later today Jul 27 05:05:22 ya, i downloaded a load of comics Jul 27 05:06:03 . Jul 27 05:29:44 hi Jul 27 05:31:06 I have one question. Jul 27 05:31:11 Where can I browse DBUS objects references of maemo? Jul 27 05:32:05 I need to get remain capacity of battery. Jul 27 05:50:34 heyhey Jul 27 05:51:07 heyheyhey Jul 27 05:51:30 anyone on who has dealt with travel stuff for maemo summit already? I'm not quite certain whether I'm supposed to be making my own plane reservations and sending details to the email they gave us, or whether i send info and THEY make the reservations? Jul 27 05:51:49 btw. what was the command I should use to launch applications from the command line? Jul 27 05:53:47 People have really been spamming the logo submission page. Jul 27 05:53:53 wrapper/launcher Jul 27 06:06:24 with diablo Jul 27 06:06:57 oooo, a ipv6 hostname...maybe I should connect to weber.freenode.net Jul 27 06:11:47 ok. found it. run-standalone.sh :) Jul 27 06:37:29 Morning, all Jul 27 06:38:45 could some share their hildon-application-manager.list file for diablo? Jul 27 06:41:09 Hey, Jaffa. Jul 27 06:44:20 c0d3h4ck: if you have diablo you can browse it through HAL Jul 27 06:45:38 Stskeeps, thank you for your help Jul 27 06:46:17 Stskeeps, Is HAL a program? Jul 27 06:47:18 c0d3h4ck: hardware abstraction layer daemon Jul 27 06:47:25 lshal | grep battery Jul 27 06:48:31 Stskeeps, oh..thank you Jul 27 06:49:23 morning Jul 27 06:51:21 Stskeeps, I solved the problem by your virtue. Jul 27 07:27:39 So, if I were to reflash right about now (I have a cached firmware), what issues would I hit? Just the missing Extras, right? Jul 27 07:32:28 damnit, everything breaked this night Jul 27 07:32:46 eh? Jul 27 07:33:07 first I was kicked from internets, now extras Jul 27 07:33:08 the fireworks here in vancouver worksforme Jul 27 07:33:15 hah! Jul 27 07:33:48 my wired internet is broken, I use gprs now Jul 27 07:34:05 just to find that extras is broken Jul 27 07:37:15 anybody knows how to register a mime type so that filemanager will show a icon for it? Jul 27 07:37:33 Registering a mime type per se is not a problem Jul 27 07:42:05 . Jul 27 07:50:45 * RST38h lways had that suspicions that "technology analysts" with solid british looking names are just a bunch of sbstancmoo Jul 27 07:50:54 shit Jul 27 07:51:09 it was supposed to be just moo Jul 27 07:54:46 .. Jul 27 08:04:01 hi all Jul 27 08:08:20 anyone on who has dealt with travel stuff for maemo summit already? I'm not quite certain whether I'm supposed to be making my own plane reservations and sending details to the email they gave us, or whether i send info and THEY make the reservations? Jul 27 08:16:54 rm_you|: you can either book them yourself on a budget airline, or contact Nokia's travel agent for them to arrane & book them. Jul 27 08:17:51 alright so if i fill out that little form thing and email it to the people with dates, that means THEY will take care of it Jul 27 08:17:51 ? Jul 27 08:19:04 well, i will do that in the morning then. Night :) Jul 27 08:19:22 'night rm_you :) Jul 27 08:19:30 ah johnx :P Jul 27 08:19:47 so i got in, as you prolly noticed :) woo Jul 27 08:19:51 anyways, night Jul 27 08:19:57 very cool rm_you :) Jul 27 08:22:12 So, gpe contacts says it has a malformed database Jul 27 08:22:37 What do i do? Jul 27 08:26:39 johnx: did you solve your boot problem yet? i just ran into it myself :P Jul 27 08:27:38 Stskeeps, nope, I tried redoing my install as ext3 from the start, but your dependence on "n810-slideout-kbd-xmodmap" is tripping me up :) Jul 27 08:27:55 it should be far enough to boot Jul 27 08:28:03 I'll start the troubleshooting process :) Jul 27 08:28:26 yeah, else just chroot in, apt-get install nit-env-stskeeps and see what happens, and tell me the error Jul 27 08:28:38 the build errors aren't so bad anymore Jul 27 08:29:56 i had it happen with ext3 too btw Jul 27 08:30:06 which bugs the hell out of me :) Jul 27 08:35:09 what the X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar keyword in .desktop files means? Jul 27 08:59:01 * Stskeeps swears at linux Jul 27 08:59:07 just tell me why the bloody filesystem is busy Jul 27 08:59:34 lsof? Jul 27 09:00:31 i would think so too, yes, but it doesnt do the trick Jul 27 09:08:29 morning Jul 27 09:14:55 morning Jul 27 09:20:03 johnx: i'm not sure how, but dpkg -i initfs-devices*.deb from nit-repository seemed to fix the issue Jul 27 09:37:39 Greetings all! :) Jul 27 09:40:58 Any brainiacs from Smartron 5 still conscious here? I've got one bastard of a question for ya. *lol* Jul 27 09:43:05 after careful consideration of your perfectly expressed question I conclude that the answer is "don't do that then". Jul 27 09:43:58 I haven't done anything, I don't think. Hence the question. :) Jul 27 09:45:38 oh, *that* question.... well, using my remote irc identification skillz I shall identify you, teleport myself to your house, examine your garbage and deduce the question from careful observation of your family and pets since you appear incapable of doing anything but tell us you have one.... Jul 27 09:46:44 Yikes. Am I in a bad mood or am I picking up some negative weirdness from somewhere? Jul 27 09:47:00 just ask the question Jul 27 09:47:35 Looking to achieve IBMgraphics through Xterm or whatever is possible on the tablet. Jul 27 09:47:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22292 Jul 27 09:48:23 ah, a question :) Jul 27 09:48:41 Yep! Can I get a witness? *lol* Jul 27 09:49:38 I've got Putty, Roxterm, and Xterm. None of which is capable, I don't think, of having any other coding besides UTF-8 when using Telnet. Jul 27 09:50:32 Which means I'm stuck using DECgraphics, which isn't all that bad, but it could be better. Am I making any sense on this? Jul 27 09:50:41 yes Jul 27 09:50:53 Thank you lbt. Honesty! :) Jul 27 09:51:49 firstly you need to see if any of your terminal emulators support the right codeset - then test them Jul 27 09:52:23 then I'd see if the emulator works in a linux environment (ie a full build) Jul 27 09:52:31 (in case the NIT has a minimal build) Jul 27 09:53:41 In Xterm, if I choose current encoding, I have the option of Unicode, Latin, Latin extended, East European, etc., but nothing that features cp 437 encoding. Jul 27 09:53:47 right now you don't know if the problem is the terminal emulator, the telnet client, the telnet server or the nh server. Jul 27 09:54:39 Well, you got that much right. I don't know anything. :) Jul 27 09:55:02 so you need to methodically test each step Jul 27 09:55:15 Is there a way to insert a new encoding into Xterm? Jul 27 09:55:50 The problem is definitely the terminal emulator. I think I know about that much. Jul 27 09:56:26 I'm not sure where encoding fits into the whole OS build Jul 27 09:56:53 Yeah, I don't get it either. And no, I'm not talking about my sex life. *lol* Jul 27 09:57:23 That's a whole separate issue with me. :) Jul 27 09:58:07 http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-9.html Jul 27 09:58:50 Okay, I'm there lbt, exactly what am I looking at? Jul 27 09:59:08 general info Jul 27 09:59:48 Character sets perhaps? Jul 27 10:00:29 http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Terminals/gtermix-35427.shtml Jul 27 10:00:30 I'm seeing this on that page "Here are some common 8-bit character sets. CP stands for Code Page character sets invented by IBM: CP-437" That's what I'm hoping to get through Xterm. Jul 27 10:00:44 Additionally, IBM cp437 8-bit ASCII is supported as this is the standard for BBSes. Jul 27 10:01:12 addison: #1: your font must have necessary characters Jul 27 10:02:28 I think I have the right font, just need for Xterm to respect it and use the right coding for it. The way it is right now, it treats everything I throw at it likes it is UTF-8 which isn't the case. Jul 27 10:03:02 #2: termcap/terminfo Jul 27 10:03:39 btw, if it does not start with 0x01 it is not utf8 Jul 27 10:04:14 You're speaking gibberish to me RST. Do I type "termcap/terminfo" just like that into Xterm? Jul 27 10:04:21 no Jul 27 10:04:48 you go to google.com and type: termcap terminfo wiki and read what it finds Jul 27 10:05:27 Okay. Jul 27 10:05:36 isn't latin1 == cp437 ? Jul 27 10:05:43 nope Jul 27 10:05:54 no frames and other graphics Jul 27 10:06:11 cp866 may work for him Jul 27 10:06:50 that depends if he needs graphics chars or the extra latin glyphs :_) Jul 27 10:07:45 I just need cp 437. I have no idea what that even means, just know that's what it takes to run Nethack using the IBMgraphics option. Jul 27 10:07:54 God, I feel like such a tool asking this. Jul 27 10:07:56 aha Jul 27 10:08:20 zap: he does Jul 27 10:08:50 indeed there are no encodings in osso-xterm with graphics Jul 27 10:08:54 Addison: this is what's known as a learning opportunity - it's an adventure, just like nethack... and google is where you play it... Jul 27 10:09:28 zap: does 1251 still include those graphics? Jul 27 10:09:35 no Jul 27 10:09:42 or is it plain ascii? Jul 27 10:09:48 Yeah, I know lbt. Just treat my ignorance like a game, like a wonderful adventure. *lol* Jul 27 10:10:12 afaik graphics is present only in CPXXX character sets Jul 27 10:10:23 he is out of luck then...on the other hand the latest port of mc does make use of frames on maemo Jul 27 10:10:46 so one of those charsets has the necessary characters Jul 27 10:10:54 it does that by using special vt102 escape sequences Jul 27 10:11:39 vt102 has a special 'graphics charset' where normal latin chars are displayed as pseudographics Jul 27 10:11:52 oh Jul 27 10:11:56 Can anyone understand this post? Jul 27 10:11:56 you can switch back and forth at any time Jul 27 10:11:57 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207395&postcount=2 Jul 27 10:12:04 cool, never knew about it Jul 27 10:12:24 ok, then things become simpler Jul 27 10:12:53 addison needs to set a translation table from 437 to vt102 escapes Jul 27 10:13:04 some xterm clones even have a graphics mode Jul 27 10:13:05 you may draw individual pixels by using escape sequences :) Jul 27 10:13:16 wasn't there some transcoding tools? Jul 27 10:13:31 ah filterm and konwert Jul 27 10:13:33 if I understand things correctly this can be done with termcap Jul 27 10:13:33 who will do the dynamic translation ? Jul 27 10:13:43 no Jul 27 10:13:47 zap: filterm/konwert do this Jul 27 10:14:00 hmm never heard Jul 27 10:14:16 zap: bk0010 had those sequences but somehow I doubt they were standard :) Jul 27 10:14:29 but its kind of a hack anyway :) Jul 27 10:14:47 People please! Stop speaking in Sputnik! I'm a tard over here. I need simple, baby instructions on this. *lol* Jul 27 10:14:55 RST38: xterm sequences are simpler Jul 27 10:15:31 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/IBMgraphics ah a nethack wiki itself offers some solutions ;) Jul 27 10:15:46 actually you can write your own conversion program and pipe output through it Jul 27 10:15:51 perhaps the easiest way is to patch osso-xterm to add the respective codepages Jul 27 10:16:02 RST38h: that's what filterm/konwert do Jul 27 10:16:17 patching xterm is never the easiest way Jul 27 10:16:30 better o what jott says Jul 27 10:16:30 why Jul 27 10:16:45 I'm going to enhance it anyway Jul 27 10:17:01 I have.too much complains about it Jul 27 10:17:12 zap: cause you need to get it from svn figure out how it works add code and then nobody will take your patches back Jul 27 10:17:33 zap: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Terminals/gtermix-35427.shtml Jul 27 10:17:45 the encodings were a 3rd part patch afaik Jul 27 10:17:46 I was going to do a port Jul 27 10:17:51 but it's not in debian Jul 27 10:17:51 zap: Would appreciate it (especially vertical toolbar and way to hide/disable kbd) Jul 27 10:17:54 nokia picked them up Jul 27 10:18:17 rst38: those are already on my list Jul 27 10:18:24 zap: but historically acceptance rate wasnt good :( Jul 27 10:18:39 hm there also seems to be "luit" according to the nethack wiki.. Jul 27 10:19:05 I see no problems with it as far as I can put it in extras :) Jul 27 10:19:06 Yeah, I tried luit which I found but it Xterm doesn't seem to support that command. Jul 27 10:19:18 :)) Jul 27 10:19:19 zap: how about input method overlaying big transparent keyboard on top of the whole screen? Jul 27 10:19:26 ;) Jul 27 10:19:34 addison: thats a program you have to install Jul 27 10:20:02 rst38: I'll leave that as a homework to nokia :) Jul 27 10:20:28 So I can install something so Xterm will accept the "luit" command? Jul 27 10:20:43 yes Jul 27 10:20:51 yes, install luit if you find it for n8xx Jul 27 10:21:07 Okay. I'm searching google now. Thank you! Jul 27 10:21:56 Oh crap, the first link in google was my own stupid post. :( Jul 27 10:22:08 you may also look into debian armel repository Jul 27 10:23:04 it's in x11-utils Jul 27 10:24:46 I really wish that my N800 was a little more friendly instead of being such a piece that it is. *lol* Jul 27 10:25:06 you are asking for weird stuff Jul 27 10:25:17 so do not complain Jul 27 10:25:24 and you're getting weird solutions :) Jul 27 10:25:25 heh i doubt playing nethack was on the use-case list of nokia :) Jul 27 10:25:35 :)) Jul 27 10:26:10 * zap would like to see nethack on pocketpc or symbian Jul 27 10:26:21 me too Jul 27 10:26:28 not speaking of iphone Jul 27 10:26:45 actually I started porting angband to s60 but did not have time to finish Jul 27 10:27:06 you wrote your own terminal, heh :) Jul 27 10:27:24 it should be doable now, given c startup released by nokia Jul 27 10:27:36 no it already has stdio Jul 27 10:27:54 and escape sequences? Jul 27 10:28:00 some Jul 27 10:28:19 games usually need many :) Jul 27 10:28:22 but angband does not need many Jul 27 10:28:55 we can thank java for stdio in symbian :) Jul 27 10:29:31 nokia had to add it because m@!";:#king J2ME requires it :) Jul 27 10:31:22 Hey RST, did you catch my post? Jul 27 10:31:23 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11143&page=3 Jul 27 10:31:58 Actually, sorry. This is it. Jul 27 10:31:58 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=194438&postcount=25 Jul 27 10:32:12 Works perfect on my end. Jul 27 10:32:23 I have seen your post Jul 27 10:32:49 That's not good enough for ya? Jul 27 10:32:54 I am on a phone though so cant copy and paste Jul 27 10:33:24 I'm on java.freenode.net so copying and pasting is tough for me too. Jul 27 10:33:26 checking via latest-posts... Jul 27 10:37:22 Here's the thing RST. I'm trying to play Nethack on Telnet using the same 7x13 graphics so the screen looks just like this... Jul 27 10:37:23 http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7558/angbandxx3.png Jul 27 10:38:35 I dont need to see png to understand that you want to play it in xterm using ibm graphics Jul 27 10:39:02 it has been suggested that you use luit or a similar program Jul 27 10:39:03 RST38h: he shows off angband on the nits :) Jul 27 10:39:08 ah Jul 27 10:39:22 I have seen that - it needs hacked xterm Jul 27 10:39:41 Is there a simple download for a hacked xterm then? Jul 27 10:39:50 Ran it on my nit but it is all screwed with a standard xterm Jul 27 10:39:55 no Jul 27 10:40:06 but search itt forums for it Jul 27 10:40:28 Search for "hacked xterm"? Jul 27 10:40:35 may I suggest something addison? Jul 27 10:40:52 Please. I'm dying over here. *lol* Jul 27 10:41:51 does the openvpn package form chinook work in diable ? ( as there doesnt seem to be an openvpn package in the diablo repository ) Jul 27 10:42:01 F@ck xterm. There is a graphical port of nethack for nits. Jul 27 10:42:13 Does anyone know if it's possible to access samba shares in OS 2008 through the terminal? Jul 27 10:42:15 Just install that port and play it. Jul 27 10:42:57 RST38h: i think he wants to play it online via telnet :P Jul 27 10:42:58 Graphucs are a bit cheesy but at least it does not require you to jump through loops Jul 27 10:43:28 Sorry RST, but I really don't care for the port at all... All apologies to Joseph who ported it. Jul 27 10:43:39 jott: well, he will have to play it locally. It is not multiplayer version so no big deal Jul 27 10:44:16 addison: why? Jul 27 10:44:19 It's too much window scrolling and nonsense without a keyboard and poor use of the screen. Jul 27 10:44:38 umgh Jul 27 10:44:40 Granted, it looks nice. Jul 27 10:44:48 well, there is a bit of that Jul 27 10:45:05 http://outpo.st/konwert_1.8-11.1_armel.deb and http://outpo.st/konwert-filters_1.8-11.1_all.deb Jul 27 10:45:13 Another reason for playing online might be the urge to get on the scoreboard ;) Jul 27 10:45:16 then you can telnet nethack.alt.org | konwert cp437-utf8 Jul 27 10:45:18 you do all know that it works fine remotely with DECgraphics Jul 27 10:45:24 as Addison knows... Jul 27 10:45:49 Yeah, it works perfect with DECgraphics. No complaints on that. Jul 27 10:46:03 GreySim: do you know about mount? Jul 27 10:46:05 I'm just trying to kick it old school with IBMgraphics, that's all. Jul 27 10:46:25 Addison: just install the both packages above Jul 27 10:46:45 That was for me? Thank you! Jul 27 10:47:05 lbt: Yes, but the mount commands I've tried have all failed. Jul 27 10:47:21 have you seen http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs Jul 27 10:47:46 I know there's a mount wizard app Jul 27 10:47:50 that does it for you Jul 27 10:48:02 and then you can access the mount from the cli Jul 27 10:48:15 or do you just want the cli mount command? Jul 27 10:48:31 Oh, I'll give that a go. It doesn't have to be cli. Thanks. Hopefully that'll work. Jul 27 10:48:39 Okay jott, I downloaded both of them to my desktop on my computer. Do I just transfer those to my tablet and install them? Jul 27 10:49:47 Addison: yes, just get root and "dpkg -i konwert*.deb" in the right directory Jul 27 10:50:37 I need a copy and paste command jott. Sorry, I'm a little stupid on my end to understand much. *lol* Jul 27 10:50:53 jott: tell him to install from app manager Jul 27 10:50:58 I do have root though since I have easyroot installed. Jul 27 10:52:00 Bleh, complains about missing dependencies. Really wish I knew how the file manager was using samba. Jul 27 10:53:37 RST38h: i never used appmanager (only once :P) Jul 27 10:54:21 jott: ah Jul 27 10:54:22 Appmanager is newbie friendliness. How could you not use that? Jul 27 10:55:08 addison: anyway transfer both debs to you tablet and then use install from file option in app manager menu Jul 27 10:55:37 Addison: i used debian way before the nits ;) Jul 27 10:55:40 Okay, I'll try that right now. Jul 27 10:55:49 and I will go sleep and watch .lt countryside Jul 27 10:55:51 ah you also need to install bash2 from extras Jul 27 10:56:10 why does he need bash though? Jul 27 10:57:08 because this konwert apparently uses bash scripts as i just realized... Jul 27 10:57:47 just tested it on my desktop ;) Jul 27 10:58:12 but now it seems to work with osso-xterm. Jul 27 10:58:28 oh Jul 27 10:59:20 Okay, I got konwert filters install, but with the other konwert file it said I was missing "perl". Jul 27 10:59:29 arg.. zap you did the bash package? Jul 27 10:59:57 then you need to install perl :P Jul 27 11:00:00 damn what a crap tool :) Jul 27 11:00:11 but it works as it seems ;) Jul 27 11:00:12 What did you call me jott? *lol* Jul 27 11:00:29 You called me a crap tool didn't you? :) Jul 27 11:00:33 hah Jul 27 11:01:55 So how do I get the .deb file "konwert_1.8-11.1_armel.deb" to work? Like were do I download perl from? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 11:02:27 2008 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 27 11:02:54 2008 Jul 27 11:03:18 hmmm.. i tought i where in the standard repositories.. but it apparently isn't... Jul 27 11:04:30 You tought? Hey, maybe you should start typing with your feet... You probably would make better sense to me that way. :) Jul 27 11:04:45 hehe Jul 27 11:04:59 thought :P Jul 27 11:06:46 Hi Jul 27 11:07:25 Can anyone here solve my troubles? Jul 27 11:07:31 Well, I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness over here right now. I need to rest my gentle head. Thanks for the help but I need to stop for tonight. Jul 27 11:07:47 oho Jul 27 11:07:48 Have a good one all and thanks again for the help Jott! Jul 27 11:08:00 Binky: not unless you tell us what they are. ;) Jul 27 11:08:04 plötzlich habe ich ein Bahnhofsuhr bekommen Jul 27 11:08:11 it's not being localized though :P Jul 27 11:09:28 Veggen, ok. Maemo recorder is the frst. If ii push the recording button it says: Stopped and won't let mu Jul 27 11:09:45 Let me record anything* Jul 27 11:12:15 sound generally works, does it? Jul 27 11:13:00 Yes Jul 27 11:13:56 Except I do no notice anymore the sound when you close or open an app, that "uhhhnnn". Jul 27 11:13:57 is there actually a system to vote off packages from extras or force them to be reviewed? Jul 27 11:14:44 jott, can that be considered a bug? Jul 27 11:15:09 Binky: hmm...maybe something is locking the sound device? Jul 27 11:16:04 I don't think so, i can listen to music and watch videos with no problem Jul 27 11:18:57 Well, i can try to reinstall it but... That's not the main problem. I'd also like to ask about Maemo sketch tool. It saves drawings in .sketch.png files. But is there any way to open .jpg, .png, .tif or .bmp files on it? Jul 27 11:21:29 no Jul 27 11:21:32 zap: would you please make the bash2 package sane Jul 27 11:21:46 what you mean sane? Jul 27 11:22:00 i.e. do NOT touch anything in /root or /home/user and NOT change the default shell without asking Jul 27 11:22:12 Binky: hmm. No idea on any of the problems, myself. Jul 27 11:22:27 and NOT modify the prompt.. Jul 27 11:22:30 it does not touch anything in /home and /root Jul 27 11:23:11 if you don't like the prompt, disable it in /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh Jul 27 11:23:25 thats very easy, I assure you Jul 27 11:23:26 it changes /root/.bashrc Jul 27 11:23:26 Veggen, it's fun. I uninstalled it, but now i can't install it ^^ Jul 27 11:23:46 zap: sure it is easier and saner if YOU enable it if you like it Jul 27 11:23:53 Binky: what does it say in the log? Jul 27 11:24:00 not remove it Jul 27 11:24:37 jott: its not a geek-only package Jul 27 11:24:45 it breaks stuff Jul 27 11:24:45 its a end-user thing Jul 27 11:24:46 it is bad Jul 27 11:24:55 what it breaks Jul 27 11:25:12 it does unpredictable things Jul 27 11:25:59 what's unpredictable? it changes its own config files? Jul 27 11:26:18 it changes /root/.bashrc, it changes the default shell without asking, it modifies the prompt Jul 27 11:26:38 bad, bad, bad Jul 27 11:26:53 I suppose if you installed bash, you want to use it as shell Jul 27 11:26:58 no Jul 27 11:27:17 there are scripts that need bash Jul 27 11:27:19 you use a different shell? Jul 27 11:27:33 yes i use zsh on the device Jul 27 11:27:50 well I would suppose you're a marginal case Jul 27 11:27:57 no Jul 27 11:28:07 ask a debian package maintainer if what you did would be right Jul 27 11:28:13 but I can check first the shell to be /bin/sh Jul 27 11:28:26 debian is not maemo Jul 27 11:28:45 yes, sure but that is no reason to make broken packages Jul 27 11:29:15 it is not broken, it works for everybody except you Jul 27 11:29:19 no Jul 27 11:29:45 you're the first to complain Jul 27 11:30:01 so, fix it please ;) Jul 27 11:30:21 Veggen, it does not appear in the 'Install new apps' list Jul 27 11:30:27 I will think about it Jul 27 11:30:36 not in mine either ;) Jul 27 11:30:50 but it would be good if you would state first what exactly it breaks Jul 27 11:31:00 it changes /root/.bashrc, it changes the default shell without asking, it modifies the prompt Jul 27 11:31:04 i said already Jul 27 11:31:20 you're not using bash Jul 27 11:31:23 as a shell Jul 27 11:31:33 so prormpt is not a big deal for you Jul 27 11:31:50 that is not the point Jul 27 11:31:51 right? Jul 27 11:31:59 omg Jul 27 11:32:06 it changes /etc/profile to load /etc/profile.d/prompt.sh Jul 27 11:32:22 all bash packages I know do that Jul 27 11:32:29 thats a standard feature Jul 27 11:32:43 uh?! Jul 27 11:33:07 look into your /etc Jul 27 11:33:10 on pc Jul 27 11:33:22 you'll find profile.d ther Jul 27 11:33:38 and it's not me who installed it there for you Jul 27 11:34:14 so please learn bash first properly, and then complain Jul 27 11:34:30 you put prompt.sh in there Jul 27 11:34:43 I do Jul 27 11:34:59 just look at debians postinst and tell me where they do thinks like you do Jul 27 11:35:17 I thought making it a separate package would be a bit of overkill Jul 27 11:36:00 ubuntu has a colored prompt Jul 27 11:36:10 just that its disabled by default Jul 27 11:37:11 and it is not set for all shells that load profile.d but in /etc/bash.bashrc Jul 27 11:37:11 you dont use bash anyway Jul 27 11:37:25 thats where bash specific stuff goes to Jul 27 11:37:45 on redhat systems its a standard feature for lots of yearws Jul 27 11:37:50 even for zsh Jul 27 11:37:54 or csh Jul 27 11:37:58 or whatever Jul 27 11:38:11 on ubuntu its also enabled Jul 27 11:38:14 setting PS1 with some bash specific control codes for all shells? Jul 27 11:38:20 no Jul 27 11:38:25 thats my bad Jul 27 11:38:25 that's what you do Jul 27 11:38:32 hence broken Jul 27 11:38:43 does zsh prompt get messed? Jul 27 11:38:46 sure Jul 27 11:38:56 ok so its my fault Jul 27 11:39:04 Veggen, what IT do you have? Jul 27 11:39:05 you could start from it Jul 27 11:39:15 n810. Jul 27 11:39:23 Oh... Jul 27 11:39:27 zsh is bourne shell compatible? Jul 27 11:39:45 i know i can fix it, it is trivial. but i don't want arbitrary packages to change system settings without asking Jul 27 11:39:48 Binky: from the downloads page, I see that maemo recorder is in chinook extras. there is a one-click install file there. Jul 27 11:40:29 and also the busybox shell does not support your prompt.. Jul 27 11:40:36 For what os does Chinook stands for? Jul 27 11:40:37 jott I've designed the package as a drop-in replacement for busybox sh Jul 27 11:40:39 that why bash stuff goes to /etc/bash.bashrc Jul 27 11:42:38 I still wonder why you need bash Jul 27 11:42:52 if zsh is bourney shell compatible Jul 27 11:43:16 you can run same scripts Jul 27 11:43:41 because i just had a tool that had around 100 bash script... (#!/bin/bash) Jul 27 11:44:53 still, no matter what, messing around like this is really bad. Jul 27 11:45:40 I will change the prompt only for bash Jul 27 11:46:08 but /root/.bashrc is really a leftover Jul 27 11:46:18 still no reason for a package to touch it Jul 27 11:46:31 I would be glad if it would not be present in.diablo image Jul 27 11:46:48 if i set my own bash prompt locally in .bashrc it will remove it. Jul 27 11:46:51 but it contains a command that breaks prompt.sh Jul 27 11:47:05 it will comment it out Jul 27 11:47:09 thanks Jul 27 11:47:25 but Jul 27 11:47:25 but 8 again can check if its in default state Jul 27 11:47:57 that would be a little bit better. but i still doubt it is sane to touch user files at all Jul 27 11:48:11 does zsh executute .bashrc as well? Jul 27 11:49:22 also Jul 27 11:50:04 zsh loads /etc/profile only in sh-compatible mode, or always Jul 27 11:52:16 zap: no zsh does not load .bashrc Jul 27 11:53:28 and there is $BASH to check if you are running bash Jul 27 11:53:41 and there are more shells than zsh Jul 27 11:56:31 zsh proposes me to mess with my config files on first invocation :\ Jul 27 11:56:54 yes it asks you if it should do it Jul 27 11:57:17 will it be ok to do the same in bash? Jul 27 11:57:17 it does not change your bash prompt to something not working Jul 27 11:57:30 sure, if it is done right Jul 27 11:57:44 and dont change the shell in postinst Jul 27 11:57:48 yawn Jul 27 11:58:07 i don't want to fear breaking my system when some minor update of bash2 comes in.. Jul 27 11:58:32 just put [ -z "$BASH" ] && continue at top of prompt.sh Jul 27 11:59:00 everyone who wants to use bash should be able to invoke chsh .. Jul 27 11:59:45 tcsh rules. bash sucks. flame mode on. Jul 27 11:59:55 everyone who changes their prompt should be able to remove a # Jul 27 12:00:08 zap: but i don't want to do this after every minor package update! Jul 27 12:00:23 * zap looks Jul 27 12:00:55 indeed, my bad Jul 27 12:01:13 it should be done only when you install it the very first time Jul 27 12:01:25 I forgot to put a check Jul 27 12:01:50 just let the user decide what shell he wants to use Jul 27 12:02:01 don't change it at all Jul 27 12:02:13 I'll check for /bin/sh Jul 27 12:02:24 maybe he wants to use busybox? Jul 27 12:02:31 if it isn't, I wont change it Jul 27 12:02:43 if a package depends on bash2 as it uses bash scripts i don't expect it to change my shell Jul 27 12:03:37 ok I'll ask the user on first login to terminal Jul 27 12:04:02 but I dont see a big problem with busybox Jul 27 12:04:16 its almost unusable interactively Jul 27 12:04:51 no it's fine. and if i install foobar that depends on bash2 i don't want to have bash2 as my default shell all of a sudden Jul 27 12:05:04 Ok Jul 27 12:07:12 hey folks do not change the default shell no matter what Jul 27 12:07:45 because you do not know how much of nokias system stuff depends on it Jul 27 12:07:48 good morning Jul 27 12:08:10 were speaking about interactive shell Jul 27 12:08:20 not about replacing /bin/sh Jul 27 12:08:32 I have a problem with Xomap. It seems my pointer is reversed. If I move to the left, the pointer moves to the right. Jul 27 12:08:43 yes, I understood that much... Jul 27 12:09:02 you have a pointer? Jul 27 12:09:13 Also I can't use /dev/input/event2 :( Jul 27 12:09:15 void * Jul 27 12:09:19 yes Jul 27 12:09:38 sorry with debian :) Jul 27 12:09:47 oh Jul 27 12:09:55 I try to install debian on my 770 Jul 27 12:10:14 xfce4-session works, but my pointer is reversed Jul 27 12:11:03 I tried to use the pointercal from the 2008HE but it doesn't change Jul 27 12:11:13 It's there in /etc/ Jul 27 12:11:21 but still the same Jul 27 12:11:37 anybody knows a package which changes file icons in filemanager? I mean, sets up a mime type with its own icon? Jul 27 12:13:02 zap: no package but I can tell you how it is done Jul 27 12:13:13 zap: ogg-support Jul 27 12:13:49 zap: this should be handled by .desktop files (hopefully :) Jul 27 12:13:50 kulve thank you Jul 27 12:14:00 RST38 and how? Jul 27 12:14:16 zap: cat /usr/share/applications/hildon/image-viewer.desktop for example Jul 27 12:14:27 jott: that's a different thing, I guess Jul 27 12:14:32 kulve: is it? Jul 27 12:14:34 you have to put a mime type def file into mime-types dir Jul 27 12:14:48 Adding a new mime type vs. mapping an application to a certain mime type Jul 27 12:15:07 hmm Jul 27 12:15:10 it contains the name pattern, type name, and icon ref Jul 27 12:15:13 rst38 I did Jul 27 12:15:22 kulve: possible Jul 27 12:15:32 then you have to update a few databases Jul 27 12:15:35 but don't know how to specify the icon Jul 27 12:15:47 it is in there Jul 27 12:15:51 update-mime-database barfs at freedesktop keyword Jul 27 12:15:54 zap: I think it goes automatically when the icon is named in a certain way Jul 27 12:15:57 for icon Jul 27 12:16:18 at least that's how I did it with ogg-support: just adding properly named icons and they worked Jul 27 12:16:26 zap: i DONT THINK THIS KEYWORD EXISTS Jul 27 12:16:36 i.e. application/ogg -> gnome-application-ogg.png or something like that Jul 27 12:17:03 zap: pull vgba package from chinook extras and see how it is done Jul 27 12:17:27 zap: you will definitely want to check the postinst script there Jul 27 12:17:57 is not understood by update-mime-database Jul 27 12:18:03 ok Jul 27 12:18:30 vgba does update-mime-database and more Jul 27 12:19:15 extras is broken :)) Jul 27 12:19:54 fms.komkon.org/VGBA then Jul 27 12:20:36 ty Jul 27 12:20:42 zap: you can add "62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org" for the time being :) Jul 27 12:21:11 to /etc/hosts that is Jul 27 12:21:26 it resolves for me Jul 27 12:21:42 but it cant decompress PackagesÜgz Jul 27 12:22:06 yes Jul 27 12:22:10 with this host it works Jul 27 12:22:22 RST38: how vgba compares to MSX2? Jul 27 12:22:22 * RST38h cant believe nokia would allow this to happen Jul 27 12:22:31 zap: ? Jul 27 12:22:49 msx2 is a platform, vgba is an emulator Jul 27 12:22:51 is it z80? Jul 27 12:22:55 ah Jul 27 12:23:00 arm7tdmi Jul 27 12:23:12 gba uses 16mhz arm7tdmi Jul 27 12:23:29 so its more powerful Jul 27 12:23:46 (e.g. more complex games? :) Jul 27 12:23:56 definitely Jul 27 12:24:02 cool Jul 27 12:24:19 i wonder if vgba could run on the IVA with it's arm7tdmi :) Jul 27 12:24:28 vdp allows for up to 4 playfields, rotation, blending, 128x128 sprites etc Jul 27 12:24:39 jott: not really Jul 27 12:24:40 IVA has yet one more arm core ??? Jul 27 12:24:48 zap: seems so, yes Jul 27 12:25:05 * zap hates TI Jul 27 12:25:05 jott: but I would be able to use iva to emulate cpu alone Jul 27 12:25:34 RST38h: yes, i meant mainly for cpu emulation. Jul 27 12:25:36 i.e. iva runs arm7tdmi emulation, while central cpu runs the rest Jul 27 12:26:05 would be interesting how it would perform.. Jul 27 12:26:46 prolly about 50-70% faster Jul 27 12:27:14 maybe less depending on how frequently vdp writes occur Jul 27 12:27:16 does n8xx have enough power to emulate gba in realtime? Jul 27 12:27:31 barely Jul 27 12:27:44 zap: most games work ok with frameskipping etc ;) Jul 27 12:28:00 :) Jul 27 12:28:20 is vgba a per-instruction interpreter? Jul 27 12:28:29 yes Jul 27 12:28:37 it is not a jit Jul 27 12:28:45 qemu seems to use some clever technique like JIT Jul 27 12:29:00 and it emulates arm Jul 27 12:29:18 qemu is jit Jul 27 12:29:43 but emulating arm is a smaller part of the problem Jul 27 12:29:45 I wrote once long ago a zx spectrum emulator Jul 27 12:29:54 RST38h: how much is (in rough average) actually the overhead for the arm->arm emulation? Jul 27 12:30:06 I found that checking every write to memory is slow Jul 27 12:30:22 and instead have set a thread which did screen refresh Jul 27 12:30:24 jott: about 5-10 instructions Jul 27 12:30:49 zap: writes are rare Jul 27 12:31:00 400/10=40 Jul 27 12:31:04 zap: it is reads you have to worry about Jul 27 12:31:26 writes are rare, but they are checked on every instruction Jul 27 12:31:35 nope Jul 27 12:31:35 that writes to memory Jul 27 12:31:41 right Jul 27 12:31:46 but those are rare Jul 27 12:31:53 I see Jul 27 12:32:08 but every instruction is a read Jul 27 12:32:13 and reads cant be backed by simple RAM? Jul 27 12:32:24 they can sometimes Jul 27 12:32:31 on zx spectrum this worked because of simple hw Jul 27 12:32:47 you usually have two read funcs Jul 27 12:33:06 one for reading opcodes (dumb but fast) Jul 27 12:33:15 another for reading data Jul 27 12:33:29 From hardware? Jul 27 12:33:35 yes Jul 27 12:33:51 and you do some cmp's on every read Jul 27 12:34:03 to see where its reading from Jul 27 12:34:24 now, if you have memory mapped io that changes state on read, you can only read it reliably with the second read func Jul 27 12:34:30 and call the appropiate func, right? Jul 27 12:34:36 zap: yes Jul 27 12:34:47 wait no Jul 27 12:35:03 memory mapped io is a bitch to emulate Jul 27 12:35:11 when I read instructions, I always use dumb read. Jul 27 12:35:25 sure Jul 27 12:35:31 if it reads from io and returns garbage I do not care Jul 27 12:35:39 :) Jul 27 12:36:02 in the real read func i have a switch(0 Jul 27 12:36:28 not a series of ifs? Jul 27 12:36:40 any good compiler will compile switch(0 either into jump table or into a tree of ifs Jul 27 12:36:59 depending on the number of holes Jul 27 12:37:07 but switch on what? Jul 27 12:37:23 on memory address? Jul 27 12:40:58 well, on significant part of the address Jul 27 12:44:46 Ic Jul 27 12:47:51 hmm installed vgba, created a file called aaa.gba and I still see the standard icon in filemanager Jul 27 12:54:36 I have a very similar postinst Jul 27 12:54:58 and still I don't see where vgba sets up the icon Jul 27 12:57:37 zap: have you tried putting icons into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/mimetypes with the canonical naming? Jul 27 12:57:57 Im trying now Jul 27 12:58:15 its a pain to do it on n8xx :) Jul 27 12:58:19 ;) Jul 27 12:58:31 use mc :> Jul 27 12:58:37 but you have either GPRS, or wifi thats it :) Jul 27 12:59:23 I use mc, I would be dead already if I would be forced to use /bin/sh like you prefer :) Jul 27 13:01:05 you could use bash-completion or zsh :> Jul 27 13:02:48 mc is a good addon to bash Jul 27 13:04:39 yes Jul 27 13:05:21 does it work with the icons? Jul 27 13:05:52 tried 26x26, no luck Jul 27 13:06:57 ah damnit, forgot to update icon cache Jul 27 13:08:05 whoa Jul 27 13:08:15 so simple and so undocumented Jul 27 13:08:28 please do us a favor and write a short note on the wiki ;) Jul 27 13:08:38 bwahahahah Jul 27 13:09:10 well it's documented now. the google bot learns it by tomorrow ;) Jul 27 13:09:34 I'll take this occult knowledge with me into grave :] Jul 27 13:10:24 just place some magic keywords: change icon maemo filemanager howto mime desktop READ ABOVE! Jul 27 13:10:52 irc: the auto documenting project Jul 27 13:10:54 you already marked it for Big Brother Jul 27 13:36:52 is there a simple way to tell the n800 to kill the internet connection and close down an app after a period of time, e.g. 90 mins? I'd like to be able to play streamed music when I go to bed then have it turn off after 30|60|90 mins to save the battery. Jul 27 13:38:44 sleep 4800 && killall "app" Jul 27 13:39:24 Is there a nice library available to create some smooth scrolling app's ? Jul 27 13:39:54 like used in some media players,... Jul 27 13:40:11 liqbase :) Jul 27 13:41:45 what exactly do you mean Jul 27 13:42:13 if you mean platform shooters, look in direction of SDL Jul 27 13:42:28 s/shooters/arcades/ Jul 27 13:42:29 zap meant: if you mean platform arcades, look in direction of SDL Jul 27 13:45:49 zap, I think something like liqbase is what I'm looking for Jul 27 13:46:04 zap, but can't find the homepage of it.. Jul 27 13:46:26 https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 Jul 27 13:47:28 lbt, thanks Jul 27 13:47:51 is there something wrong with the repository.maemo.org server ? Jul 27 13:48:16 lovebug356, what you wanna do with liqbase ? Jul 27 13:49:02 crashanddie, I want to build a pdf reader Jul 27 13:49:29 Well, that's already planned in liqbase, I think Jul 27 13:49:38 weird, lcuk ain't here Jul 27 13:49:43 that must be a first Jul 27 13:50:30 lovebug356, it shouldn't be too much work Jul 27 13:50:35 crashanddie: we should be concerned! Jul 27 13:50:44 jott, indeed we should Jul 27 13:51:30 lovebug356, there's been a discussion about adding pdf support to liqbase, I think that the easiest way to go would be to get a pdf to jpeg converter (if you want something to get going quickly) Jul 27 13:51:51 poppler is quite easy to use Jul 27 13:52:28 crashanddie, jott, now I use poppler,... but the problem is to get the page in a nice way to the user Jul 27 13:52:28 lovebug356, and about repo.m.o -> /topic Jul 27 13:52:46 lovebug356, well, liqbase supports drawing jpeg's to the screen Jul 27 13:52:53 lovebug356: poppler as the lib to render it onto a pixmap etc Jul 27 13:53:41 lovebug356, currently, liqbase uses YUV that is directly drawn to the screen, if you can get YUV output from PDF, it should be trivial to integrate it into liqbase Jul 27 13:53:44 jott, yes, now I do poppler -> pixbuf -> screen Jul 27 13:54:01 so try pixbuf -> liqbase ;) Jul 27 13:54:02 lovebug356, the added value would be the touchscreen panning Jul 27 13:54:05 crashanddie, don't know if it is supported in the lib Jul 27 13:55:31 pdf renders slowly though Jul 27 13:55:55 I doubt you will get smooth scrolling for long periods of time Jul 27 13:57:25 zap, Now I solve this with rendering in a different thread,... Jul 27 13:57:46 lovebug356: and this will make scrolling slower :/ Jul 27 13:58:26 But If I can make 1 pdf page available it would be enough Jul 27 14:00:59 is there some documentation available from that project? Jul 27 14:01:14 rtfs? ;) Jul 27 14:01:32 no i don't think. and lcuk is not here atm.. Jul 27 14:03:17 lovebug356, there's no doc for liqbase Jul 27 14:03:39 lovebug356, I heard someone was doing python bindings and he's a hotty for documentation, so he might push something Jul 27 14:03:45 Dunno who though Jul 27 14:04:12 where is lcuks red phone when you need it :) Jul 27 14:04:12 crashanddie, ok Jul 27 14:04:26 jott, I'm not calling him up on a sunday afternoon Jul 27 14:04:36 He's probably just coding in the garden Jul 27 14:04:41 hehe Jul 27 14:04:59 the guy's a maniac Jul 27 14:05:04 or a genius Jul 27 14:05:08 or both Jul 27 14:05:20 Never been a lot of difference between the two Jul 27 14:05:26 hmm, is maemo.org falling apart? Jul 27 14:05:27 indeed Jul 27 14:05:34 t_s_o: oh? Jul 27 14:05:41 t_s_o, you mean more than usual ? Jul 27 14:05:45 :P Jul 27 14:07:20 does somebody uses -> http://miaouw.henrikhedberg.com/ Jul 27 14:17:58 zanshin: still around? Jul 27 14:19:27 lovebug356: looks interesting, think i'll bookmark it Jul 27 14:19:53 hey folks Jul 27 14:20:40 whats the matter with the SDK downloads? Jul 27 14:21:02 NeoStrider_: think the infrastructure is just generally fucked right now :P Jul 27 14:21:39 oh I see Jul 27 14:21:48 I could dig a download at repositories.maemo.org Jul 27 14:21:54 but I had to dig hard Jul 27 14:25:17 * RST38h wonders when Nokia figures out that web infrastructure must work 24/7 no matter what Jul 27 14:25:58 Or hires someone to figure it out for them and fires whatever kid they employ right now Jul 27 14:27:17 "the intarweb only has to be online on working hours" :p Jul 27 14:27:27 (local time only) Jul 27 14:28:36 it's quite embarrassing how long the downtime is.. Jul 27 14:29:02 It's always on weekends and holidays Jul 27 14:29:30 is it their idea of going green? Jul 27 14:30:34 someone could make an copy of the repos for these times? Jul 27 14:30:44 if the servers where offline you might actually could think so. but all servers are up and running just server settings, dns and caching-networks are screwed... Jul 27 14:31:15 oilinki: heh, those are huge :P Jul 27 14:32:20 Stskeeps: some distributed repo-system using bittorrent or something like that :) Jul 27 14:32:46 i would kill myself if i had to torrent down debian packages, one by one Jul 27 14:32:46 :P Jul 27 14:32:55 timeless has something of a mirror up from time to time. Jul 27 14:34:00 well atleast stage.maemo.org seems to work .. Jul 27 14:34:22 lol Jul 27 14:34:29 Our saviour Jul 27 14:34:40 Now and last November Jul 27 14:34:59 oilinki: apt-torrent? :) Jul 27 14:35:02 * GAN800 likes nokiasuxalot.maemo.org for stage Jul 27 14:35:03 we want live video streams of heads rolling! ;P Jul 27 14:35:39 amateurhour.maemo.org Jul 27 14:35:46 GAN800: yeah but that does not work at the moment as the *.maemo.org fallback points to the hold stage server ;) Jul 27 14:35:51 old Jul 27 14:36:36 jott, about package demotion, there was some talk about a package approval process for Extras. Jul 27 14:37:43 Might be worth putting together a wiki proposal if you want to push it. ;) :P Jul 27 14:38:26 * jott is lazy :p Jul 27 14:38:59 hmm yeah that needs some thoughts anyway.. Jul 27 14:39:14 Most useless bug report ever: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3504 Jul 27 14:40:02 oh they accepted the subscription of maemo-community on gmane :) Jul 27 14:48:52 "A 73-year-old Dutch man was astonished to learn from police that the begonias he had lovingly tended on his doorstep concealed a secret marijuana plantation." Jul 27 14:48:55 Talk about a green hand Jul 27 14:49:49 An entire plantation on his doorstep? Jul 27 14:51:16 one leaf = a plantation i legal terms it seems at times Jul 27 14:51:26 that or media terms... Jul 27 14:52:09 im having a hard time telling one from the other these days as what seems to be media hype one day turns out to be law the next... Jul 27 14:54:13 some 6 years ago I stopped spotting difference between theonion and real news... Jul 27 14:58:15 RST38h: There's a difference? Jul 27 14:58:30 I thought The Onion was just a more reliable than usual news source. Jul 27 15:01:36 userfriendly's strip today might be a nice game ;) Jul 27 15:01:45 tt: there was Jul 27 15:02:22 heh, illiad seems quite capable of coming up with those Jul 27 15:02:32 tt: but yes, it ended up being most reliable, it and dailyrotten Jul 27 15:03:01 t_s_o: Yep ;) Jul 27 15:04:24 weird, the sundays only archive stops at 2003... Jul 27 15:05:15 whats the deal with "beware n800 users" in advanced backligihting? Jul 27 15:05:41 if you set the backlight to 0, the screen is unusable for n800 users Jul 27 15:05:54 the N800 needs a low level of backlight to visible at all, unlike the N810 that has a reflective layer behind the screen Jul 27 15:06:11 so cant one just turn it back up? :3 Jul 27 15:06:25 Only if you can see it. . . . Jul 27 15:06:57 is considered ok put someone else's project in extras? Or would that require a second maintainer(the project maintainer, and then the person who put it in extras) ? Jul 27 15:06:58 Stupid question: No way to know on which device you are codewise? Jul 27 15:06:58 oic Jul 27 15:07:05 i.e. fix it in the applet? Jul 27 15:07:08 or have a very good idea of where on the screen it is, as you can use the directionpad to correct the setting Jul 27 15:07:24 Blafasel, the applet handles it fi Jul 27 15:07:27 ne Jul 27 15:07:29 Blafasel: there might be something in /proc that'll tell you, I'm not sure Jul 27 15:07:34 we were asked for an override Jul 27 15:07:43 Ah.. Jul 27 15:07:47 so an override we provide Jul 27 15:08:03 * GAN800 is really tired of people assuming it's a bug. Jul 27 15:08:07 An override to allow 0, even if it doesn't make sense? Jul 27 15:08:21 Don't ask me why they wanted it Jul 27 15:08:39 But they did, and choice isn't a terrible thing. Jul 27 15:09:11 Unless you might be the one to receive the bug reports because of "broken" displays.. Jul 27 15:09:21 Apple allows you to use zero on their laptops even though you can't see anything Jul 27 15:09:25 So, eh. Jul 27 15:09:28 I mean. Choice is fine. But supporting crap? ;) Jul 27 15:09:45 Blafasel, go make your own applet, then. Jul 27 15:10:03 GAN800: depends on the lighting conditions... on newer macbooks you can sometimes see something, depending on what light is behind you Jul 27 15:10:24 GAN800: Huh? What was that for? Jul 27 15:10:31 why not make two versions? one idiotic proof one Jul 27 15:10:32 so they have started using transfeltives? Jul 27 15:10:43 They have to override to enable it on the N800, so it'll be clear to anybody with half a brain that that's what caused it. Jul 27 15:10:59 t_s_o: seemingly, my macbook seems to be vsible in some lighting conditions Jul 27 15:11:28 MacBooks, maybe, 4 year old PowerBook, no. Jul 27 15:11:52 fair enough Jul 27 15:12:05 Blafasel, nobody has ever complained about a 'broken' display from our applet that I've ever seen. Jul 27 15:12:11 Cpt Jul 27 15:12:12 well transflectives are a slightly new development as more and more people use their laptops outside... Jul 27 15:12:29 Cptnodegard, how does two versions make any sense at all? Jul 27 15:13:06 It's already idiot proof, you have to tap one checkbox and click through two dialogs to enable it now. Jul 27 15:13:15 GAN800: Fine, I was just wondering what the benefit is, nothing more. I'd love to hear from guys that use this what the motive is. Jul 27 15:13:18 then paranoid people (like the one im taslking to who asked what it meant in the first place (ive used ab since it came out) could be totally safe Jul 27 15:13:26 oh Jul 27 15:13:41 ah, no need for a sundays archive, just enter sunday as a search term ;) Jul 27 15:13:44 thought it was always enabled Jul 27 15:13:51 No. Jul 27 15:14:09 speaking of which, i cant update the app Jul 27 15:14:13 Trust me, we've thought this one out. ;) Jul 27 15:14:29 Extras is borked for the moment. Jul 27 15:14:54 Blafasel, power usage or something, maybe. I dunno. Jul 27 15:15:04 Maybe they've got really good eyes Jul 27 15:15:10 its not enabled on mine Jul 27 15:15:15 (yesi had to test ^^ ) Jul 27 15:15:24 You can see a bit of the N800's screen in good light. Jul 27 15:15:29 Or just use the N800 as apache server somewhere on the corner of their desk..? ;) Jul 27 15:16:41 are there any apps on the n8x0 capable of cropping and resizing images? Jul 27 15:17:04 btw GAN800 your app is excellent, saves useful space Jul 27 15:17:11 not to mention ebook usage Jul 27 15:17:15 Thank rm_you Jul 27 15:17:26 * Cptnodegard thanks rm_you Jul 27 15:17:38 I'm mostly docs/website/triage/management Jul 27 15:17:47 But thanks. ;) Jul 27 15:18:00 Oh, right, and usability. :P Jul 27 15:19:20 So much logo contest spam. Jul 27 15:20:59 so, anyone know about image editor? Jul 27 15:21:14 imagemagick? ;) Jul 27 15:24:47 thx :) Jul 27 15:31:00 Cptnodegard: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/mirage/ ? Jul 27 15:42:17 oooh thats even better, thankds kulve Jul 27 15:50:13 mkay movable type is not in any way whatsoever even close to remotely being a tiny bit tablet compatible Jul 27 15:52:17 anyone good with mount --bind here? Jul 27 15:52:47 basically i need to do mount --bind / /mnt/somewhere/mnt/rootfs, and im not sure that's going to fly :) Jul 27 15:53:59 nm Jul 27 15:54:00 :P Jul 27 15:55:31 what gives setting the osso:category for a mime type? Jul 27 16:00:46 Stskeeps, sure, what you trying to achieve ? Jul 27 16:02:30 Stskeeps, just make sure you don't get infinite loops going ;) Jul 27 16:03:38 Stskeeps, I wouldn't bind / to another place within / Jul 27 16:03:51 The reason for this is that if you do a find / -name something, it'll never quit Jul 27 16:04:08 crashanddie: running nit-debian installer in chroot where it needs files from / and the maemo install cannot run it :P Jul 27 16:04:18 and i wouldn't normally either Jul 27 16:05:13 but yeah, that *should* work Jul 27 17:25:16 anyone here use joikuspot? Jul 27 17:25:22 just bought the prmium version...its nice Jul 27 17:25:46 I swear, MicroSD is just *too* small. Jul 27 17:25:50 turns S60 V3 phones with wifi into wifi hotspots Jul 27 17:25:56 no need for BT tethering Jul 27 17:26:12 Cptnodegard: Ooh, that's kinda neat Jul 27 17:26:41 since i got hsdpa coverage here BT bandwidth is actually a bottle neck Jul 27 17:28:31 although a bluetooth teather is easier on the battery Jul 27 17:28:43 thats true Jul 27 17:29:02 and i will prob continue using bt for the n800 Jul 27 17:29:10 but with joikuspot i can connect my laptop too Jul 27 17:29:12 and such Jul 27 17:40:04 anyone know of anything similar to bootlogd (takes everything output on /dev/console), that sends it over syslog instead of storing? Jul 27 17:41:14 I'd use netconsole on a normal linux box... Jul 27 17:41:27 Cptnodegard: I have. tryppy usefull, but supports only http/https Jul 27 17:41:31 but I doubt that would work - but it may help in googling... Jul 27 17:42:44 oilinki: thats why i bought the premium version while itss till on sale Jul 27 17:42:45 lbt: mm, yeah, not sure that module exists for maemo kernels :P Jul 27 17:43:04 Cptnodegard: ah. ok. how much is it? Jul 27 17:43:10 no - it couldn't work Jul 27 17:43:21 oilinki: 25 Euro normally, 15 now Jul 27 17:44:53 my app keeps being killed when launched from the launcher - I think this is a dbus registration problem but I'm not finding any hints on debugging it Jul 27 17:44:55 any ideas? Jul 27 17:45:59 Cptnodegard: have to think about the premium. I might soon live in a place that doesn't have other options than satelite and gprs/edge Jul 27 17:46:53 you shoul dhurry, the 15 euro price lasts for a moneth after it was released.think thats soon Jul 27 17:48:18 ok. thanks for the info. Jul 27 17:52:10 do you know if the licence can be transfered to another phone? Jul 27 17:53:10 not sure... i doubt it because they cverify it online. check the faq? joikushop.com Jul 27 18:00:11 what's EQ? Jul 27 18:00:21 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207602#post207602post207602 Jul 27 18:00:22 ?????? Jul 27 18:00:55 equalizer, lets you control frequency response of the sound Jul 27 18:00:58 Cptnodegard: not mentioned -> can not change :) Jul 27 18:01:00 Terry Pratchett wrote something about multimple exclamation marks. It applies for multiple question marks as well. Jul 27 18:01:54 oilinki oh thats too abd, maybe drop them a mail? should be transferable Jul 27 18:02:17 all right dudes,whats going down in groove town? Jul 27 18:03:34 bug fixing... Jul 27 18:04:23 I know what you're thinking ... but even *my* code has bugs... Jul 27 18:05:47 heh, ive been fixing biological bugs Jul 27 18:06:42 * lcuk doesnt like losing days to migraine headaches :( Jul 27 18:06:50 ugh Jul 27 18:07:08 GeneralAntilles: will you be around the wiki today at 23:59 UTC? Jul 27 18:08:07 hi qgil Jul 27 18:08:55 hi, I mean at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=7&day=27&year=2008&hour=23&min=55&sec=0&p1=0 Jul 27 18:09:14 is there a way to have usb power my nokia 770? Jul 27 18:09:27 Has anyone figured out why comix isn't working? Jul 27 18:09:40 heh qgil, make sure its not ambiguous :D Jul 27 18:10:10 frewsxcv, you can get a little dongle that sits on the end of a usb cable and becomes a charger needle Jul 27 18:10:40 GeneralAntilles: the reason is that it will be good to protect https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest_submissions from more editions aka logo contest submissions Jul 27 18:11:33 23:59 UTC is a bit late for the average European, specially in Summer, but it's peanuts for Americans, and afaik GeneralAntilles is the only wiki sysop out of Europe Jul 27 18:12:40 lcuk, how do i do that? Jul 27 18:12:40 No way to script that? Jul 27 18:12:46 at/cron on the machine? Jul 27 18:12:54 Just asking.. Jul 27 18:13:44 * qgil never expected to get +60 participants in the logo contest! Jul 27 18:14:11 one of the huge pdf docs on maemo.org talks about apps dieing if not registered with dbus/launcher but I can't find it using search - anyone know? Jul 27 18:14:11 frewsxcv, look at this: http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=nokia+usb+charger Jul 27 18:14:28 lbt, i never register with anything Jul 27 18:14:49 but you don't launch from the launcher.... yet Jul 27 18:14:52 you will Jul 27 18:14:52 qgil, people like drawing things. you should have said "logo submissions from tablet tdrawn apps only" ;) Jul 27 18:14:56 bwhahahaaahaaa Jul 27 18:15:00 which launcher? Jul 27 18:15:06 the menu Jul 27 18:15:09 on the left Jul 27 18:15:11 you know Jul 27 18:15:12 main menu? Jul 27 18:15:14 yes Jul 27 18:15:15 i use it all the time Jul 27 18:15:20 I think it's called the launcher Jul 27 18:15:32 to launch liqbase? Jul 27 18:15:36 liqbase has been in "my selection" forever, im not a sadist i dont want to use console all the time Jul 27 18:15:53 it has a desktop item and everything Jul 27 18:16:05 hmm - but it's not hildonised is it Jul 27 18:16:09 no Jul 27 18:16:19 I think something in there does some dbus registration Jul 27 18:16:26 and there's no log from the launcher Jul 27 18:16:36 my app lives forever launched from the console Jul 27 18:16:40 is your .desktop file in the tar.gz? Jul 27 18:16:48 yes Jul 27 18:16:51 under data Jul 27 18:16:57 liqbase *does* use a starter script Jul 27 18:17:20 I'm using the 'official' approach :( Jul 27 18:17:22 loads of apps do nothing strange from .desktop Jul 27 18:17:41 as per the tutorial Jul 27 18:17:58 and there's a warning in there about the launcher killing apps Jul 27 18:18:02 I read it Jul 27 18:18:06 but I can't find it Jul 27 18:18:22 and 'cos it's a pdf I'm suspicious that it's not indexed Jul 27 18:19:27 lbt: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ do you mean here? Jul 27 18:19:53 or the training materials? Jul 27 18:20:09 that area yes Jul 27 18:20:27 do you happen to know if the pdfs are indexed for search? Jul 27 18:20:44 there's a *lot* of stuff in there :) Jul 27 18:20:57 (V. good stuff btw - I'm impressed) Jul 27 18:21:00 there are HTML and PDF versions, they should be indexed Jul 27 18:22:41 lbt, you are registering with osso, i thought that was needed for link handling and explorer double clicking? (that might be wanted though) Jul 27 18:23:06 lbt: yes, PDFs are also indexedm and the 4.1 documentation is indexed too (I checked to be sure): http://search.maemo.org/search?q=%22Small+application+state+so+that+we+can+pass+both+LibOSSO+context%22&btnG=Search&site=maemo-org&client=maemo-org&proxystylesheet=maemo-org&output=xml_no_dtd Jul 27 18:23:08 and you have the X-Osso-Service line twice Jul 27 18:23:25 X-Osso-Service=shopper Jul 27 18:23:25 X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable Jul 27 18:23:25 X-Osso-Service=com.dgreaves.shopper Jul 27 18:23:31 d'oh Jul 27 18:23:35 but the most recent versions are not in the top of the searched - perhaps we should dig older docs... Jul 27 18:23:38 :) that might explain it Jul 27 18:24:57 ok - I'll repackage... Jul 27 18:25:01 ta lcuk Jul 27 18:25:31 heh, it will help for when i come round to doin it ;) Jul 27 18:26:26 back later anyway Jul 27 18:34:21 Wow.. This new Tron trailer is awesome. Jul 27 18:35:38 new TRON!? Jul 27 18:35:40 omfg? Jul 27 18:35:45 ;-) Jul 27 18:35:57 Search for tron trailer or "Tr2n".. Jul 27 18:36:26 Baaaaaad quality (from comic con or something, looks like its done with a mobile or worse..), but - cool Jul 27 18:39:16 lol neat Jul 27 18:40:26 Blafasel, did you watch the rotated version or the wonky original Jul 27 18:40:57 lcuk: Both ;) Jul 27 18:41:01 its awesome whichever way you look at it tho :D Jul 27 18:41:35 hmmm does wifi work from isnide a fridge? Jul 27 18:42:03 Anyone here having moderator access to the forums on ITT? Jul 27 18:43:58 And who runs ITT anyway? Jul 27 18:44:16 guy called reggie is what i know Jul 27 18:44:42 Ah, okay. Read that name once or .. twice ;) Jul 27 18:45:17 hows your vala stuff goin? Jul 27 18:45:22 Sloooow. Jul 27 18:45:40 Payed work to do, lots of stuff to (re)learn Jul 27 18:46:00 yer that does tend to get in the way Jul 27 18:48:01 is it possible to call an SIP number from a cell phone? Jul 27 18:48:36 frewsxcv: i think so? you might need to use something like gizmo / grandcentral Jul 27 18:48:40 your provider should be able to tell you Jul 27 18:48:42 lcuk: removing the X-Osso-Service didn't help :( Jul 27 18:49:11 are you trying to use osso registration? Jul 27 18:49:28 cos mine includes none of the osso stuff Jul 27 18:49:58 https://garage.maemo.org/svn/liqbase/liqbase.desktop Jul 27 18:53:41 frewsxcv: yes, but not as cellular call Jul 27 18:53:52 lbt, or maybe its not the problem at all Jul 27 18:54:18 which osso service did you remove Jul 27 19:04:52 bbl Jul 27 19:16:41 God dammit. No one can moderate the ITT boards? That spam is annoying. Jul 27 19:32:32 Extras are fixed Jul 27 19:33:34 * CptLaptop updates shit Jul 27 19:36:41 lol Jul 27 19:37:00 * callahad cheers Jul 27 19:37:20 still get error with advanced backlight pdate¨ Jul 27 19:37:56 cannot install. software contains updates to packages installed from another source, and that will probably damage the syste Jul 27 19:38:03 "" Jul 27 19:38:18 The screen-unlock keypad is far, far too tiny for finger use :( Jul 27 19:39:10 CptLaptop, uninstall and reinstall Jul 27 19:39:16 Your original install is from somewhere else Jul 27 19:39:24 Application manager is protecting you. Jul 27 19:41:26 hi Jul 27 19:42:21 thx GeneralAntilles Jul 27 19:42:29 lol Jul 27 19:42:30 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630#c30 Jul 27 19:42:34 That guy needs to leave already. Jul 27 19:42:46 He has nothing useful to bring to the sprint meetings. Jul 27 19:44:56 wow my version of adv bl was OLD Jul 27 19:45:00 lol Jul 27 19:45:05 0.8? :P Jul 27 19:45:08 0.9b? Jul 27 19:45:30 no idea Jul 27 19:45:35 heh Jul 27 19:45:35 first that came out i think Jul 27 19:45:39 lol Jul 27 19:45:47 the slider was tiny, no settings Jul 27 19:45:52 heh Jul 27 19:46:32 huh Jul 27 19:46:36 weird bug Jul 27 19:46:44 GeneralAntilles: http://gerrymoth.jaiku.com/presence/40821741 Jul 27 19:46:44 >_> Jul 27 19:46:48 comment 1 <_ Jul 27 19:46:50 <_< Jul 27 19:47:12 I've seen that avatar on itT Jul 27 19:47:15 Retard. Jul 27 19:47:27 Same nick, actually Jul 27 19:47:31 Search for his posts Jul 27 19:47:43 three times now my sceen has gone weird with no icons visible etc Jul 27 19:48:08 CptLaptop: ? Jul 27 19:48:09 three times in 15 min and never before Jul 27 19:48:17 just randomly? Jul 27 19:48:18 not related to adv bl Jul 27 19:48:29 twice in application manager, once when i rebooted Jul 27 19:48:34 hrm, odd Jul 27 19:48:38 tried to grab my cam but too late Jul 27 19:49:44 the "background" for the main icons on the left side were visible. the rest of the screen was black and white. was like that for 5 secs then came back Jul 27 19:50:43 hildon-desktop crashed Jul 27 19:50:47 You've NEVER seen that? Jul 27 19:51:12 no? Jul 27 19:51:19 and it was right on reboot? Jul 27 19:51:42 first two times in app manager, though it was reboot time, then when i rebooted it was like that before the desktop loaded normallyy Jul 27 19:51:58 that *could* be an applet... try disabling adv-backlight Jul 27 19:52:02 and see if it still does that Jul 27 19:52:11 are you in diablo or chinook? Jul 27 19:52:11 it did it before i updated Jul 27 19:52:15 chinook Jul 27 19:52:15 hrm Jul 27 19:52:25 Upgrade that ish already. Jul 27 19:52:28 Chinook is the suck Jul 27 19:52:34 GeneralAntilles: you may know - my app keeps dying when run from the launcher; I think it's down to registering a service with libosso or dbus or something - any ideas? Jul 27 19:52:41 too lazy to install shit over again Jul 27 19:52:56 That's what backup/restore is for. Jul 27 19:53:01 CptLaptop: if you were in the process of updating adv-backlight when that happened, it is a known issue with updating statusbar plugins Jul 27 19:53:07 need to reboot or else that happens Jul 27 19:53:23 GeneralAntilles: it doesnt really reinstall everything tho :/ Jul 27 19:53:26 or anything, really Jul 27 19:53:34 Yes it does. Jul 27 19:53:42 nah it happeed first time when i updated thew app list, before i touched adv backlight Jul 27 19:53:44 As long as what you're installing is available from the repositories you have. Jul 27 19:53:57 GeneralAntilles: hrm, i guess that just never worked for me Jul 27 19:54:04 hrm ok Jul 27 19:54:12 What does "not work" mean. Jul 27 19:54:15 gonna uninstall mirage as thats the only thing i installed today Jul 27 19:54:31 GeneralAntilles: it never re-installed anything, or even really appeared to try Jul 27 19:54:35 . . . Jul 27 19:54:44 Open up Application manager and run restore from the menu. :| Jul 27 19:54:48 i did a full backup and full restore once, and i still ended up with only defaults Jul 27 19:55:00 It didn't do anything because you didn't tell it to do anything. <_< Jul 27 19:55:03 ... ah. lol Jul 27 19:55:09 fail. Jul 27 19:55:20 :P Jul 27 19:55:57 The one nasty bug with restore is that it doesn't reenable Extras when you restore a backup with Extras enabled. Jul 27 19:56:01 with me it says nothign to restore in application manager Jul 27 19:56:05 Which is some lame retarded shit Jul 27 19:56:12 that I can't believe they didn't fix for Diablo. Jul 27 19:56:24 CptLaptop, you need to have restored a backup with an application list. Jul 27 19:56:30 ah Jul 27 19:56:58 dont see any reason to update to diablo until chinook breaks :3 Jul 27 19:57:17 Diablo's Application manager is 10x better. Jul 27 19:57:29 why? Jul 27 19:58:06 besides diablo doesnt even have all apps i use yet Jul 27 19:58:29 CptLaptop: you can always just install the chinook versions in the meantime Jul 27 19:59:11 stop taking away my reasons to not upgrde 8# Jul 27 19:59:54 Faster, and way more stable. Jul 27 19:59:59 does osso backup backup all settings from all applications? Jul 27 20:00:19 Only applications that properly set themselves up for backup Jul 27 20:00:29 so "no" :p Jul 27 20:00:29 GA: You don't happen to have ITT mod access? Jul 27 20:00:37 Blafasel, only Reggie does Jul 27 20:00:43 if there's spam, hit the report button Jul 27 20:00:47 hrm, would the usb host on the tablets be powerful enough to power a usb connection between it and a phone? Jul 27 20:00:48 he has a fast turnaround time. Jul 27 20:00:51 since phone has own power source Jul 27 20:01:00 (cellphone) Jul 27 20:01:01 Stskeeps, as long as the phone doesn't want power. Jul 27 20:01:17 interesting Jul 27 20:01:21 * Stskeeps glances at his 3g phone Jul 27 20:01:41 GA: Did, just wanted to know if someone in here could react. And since your post count is - uhm - huge.. ;) Jul 27 20:01:41 * Stskeeps eyes the glue Jul 27 20:01:43 use bt Jul 27 20:01:53 CptLaptop: i already do :P Jul 27 20:02:01 whats ewrong then? Jul 27 20:02:12 something tells me usb power consumption is less than bt consumption Jul 27 20:02:15 Nah, my post count isn't particularly high Jul 27 20:02:20 Texrat is way ahead of me Jul 27 20:02:24 i doubt that really Jul 27 20:02:29 but Reggie seems incapable of delegating. Jul 27 20:02:48 Stskeeps, the power killer is the 3g. Jul 27 20:02:58 itt can do without a lot of mods because people ther are nerds and nerds behave Jul 27 20:03:03 most of th etime Jul 27 20:03:08 Bull Jul 27 20:03:18 Most of the people there are morons. Jul 27 20:03:24 Who say laughably stupid things. Jul 27 20:03:44 yeah but still in a reasonabe manner that doesnt require 1238746 mods Jul 27 20:04:23 where i mod we have only a slightly bigger forum than itt but still need 10 mods to keep it clean Jul 27 20:06:39 Point threshold moderation works Jul 27 20:07:21 Each post has points. Add points for previous times poster thanked, subtract for spam/abuse reports Jul 27 20:07:45 Doesn't always scale for larger forums Jul 27 20:07:50 GeneralAntilles, if i do the boot from mmc thing and then upgrade to diablo, will that wipe everyhting out on internal or does it just mess with the mmc install? Jul 27 20:08:05 lcuk, do it this way. Jul 27 20:08:12 2 partitions on internal card. Jul 27 20:08:20 512-1GB a piece. Jul 27 20:08:36 back up your current install over to one partition (smaller of the two, probably) Jul 27 20:08:40 the flash Diablo Jul 27 20:08:46 and back that up to the other partition. Jul 27 20:09:08 Then flash fanoush's bootmenu Jul 27 20:09:38 Or, if you're not attached to your current install, just make a backup, flash Diablo, move Diablo to the card, and get back up to speed. Jul 27 20:10:03 yer thanks :) Jul 27 20:19:52 hi all Jul 27 20:35:40 Aloha! Jul 27 21:04:08 sudo apt-get install p7zip Jul 27 21:04:10 Er Jul 27 21:04:27 sudo TYPE INTO THE CORRECT TERM!!! Jul 27 21:04:31 END OF LINE Jul 27 21:05:08 GREETINGS PROGRAMS Jul 27 21:13:56 Proteous, what the hell was that all about ? Jul 27 21:16:04 ADDRESS ME AS MCP Jul 27 21:16:06 END OF LINE Jul 27 21:16:25 tron2 trailer FTW Jul 27 21:17:04 tr2n Jul 27 21:17:09 yes Jul 27 21:17:40 Proteous, contrary to popular belief, caps lock isn't cruise control for cool Jul 27 21:17:54 IT IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME Jul 27 21:18:07 Proteous, just take it outside, along with the trash Jul 27 21:18:17 damn tron haters Jul 27 21:18:35 I'm not a hater, i just don't care about it, and the topic of this channel doesn't either Jul 27 21:18:55 cRASHANDDIE, BUT WHATS WRONG WITH CAPS? iTS EVEN BETTER WITH ANTI-CAPS Jul 27 21:19:04 CAPSLOCK FTW Jul 27 21:19:15 BIG TIME 4EVA Jul 27 21:19:19 ER, TYPE Jul 27 21:19:42 A common typo... Jul 27 21:19:54 Anyway, hi Jul 27 21:20:06 I blame it on too much coffee Jul 27 21:20:16 which explains a lot of my problems really Jul 27 21:20:41 What problems? Jul 27 21:20:44 I'd say you being born in the first place explains a lot of your problems Jul 27 21:21:01 I'd say you are just bitter Jul 27 21:21:09 A BITTER BITTER OLD MAN Jul 27 21:21:21 lol @ "OLD MAN" Jul 27 21:21:30 Proteous, how old are you ? Jul 27 21:21:38 30 Jul 27 21:21:43 wow Jul 27 21:21:44 and I'm old Jul 27 21:21:50 you're ancient Jul 27 21:22:00 you seem to be taking things quite seriously today Jul 27 21:22:11 lcuk, and if Proteous is ancient Jul 27 21:22:12 is this normal or just a special occasion? Jul 27 21:22:18 .|.. Jul 27 21:22:19 lcuk, you're nothing less than a memory now :D Jul 27 21:22:27 Well, can i ask somethinf? Does anyone knows about an aMule or any torrent client port to ITs? Jul 27 21:22:31 i was waiting for that Jul 27 21:22:50 wasn't transmission ported to the NIT ? Jul 27 21:22:53 why would you want to run BT on a IT Jul 27 21:23:03 binky, wouldnt a torrent client be a bad idea - they rape normal harddrives, i would hate to see the results on an mmc Jul 27 21:23:28 I try not to use apps that just make me realise how slow my IT really is Jul 27 21:23:29 Binky, AMA http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/transmission/ Jul 27 21:24:01 Because my main computer is broken. I saw ctorrent, but i don't like it Jul 27 21:24:19 lcuk, crashanddie , thank you Jul 27 21:27:34 you're welcome Jul 27 21:27:42 but trust me, you wouldn't like it Jul 27 21:35:31 Whoa. 30.. Yes, that's old. ;-p Jul 27 21:38:02 Blafasel, I KNOW Jul 27 21:38:11 Blafasel, imagine... There's even people OLDER than that Jul 27 21:38:23 NO! Jul 27 21:38:27 NO WAY! Jul 27 21:38:29 heh Jul 27 21:38:37 crazy, I know Jul 27 21:38:53 lol Jul 27 21:39:02 I mean... Look at lcuk... He's like breaking world records... He's 33 !! Jul 27 21:39:04 I love it when people complain about being on-topic. Jul 27 21:39:10 me too Jul 27 21:39:15 Like anybody is actually on-topic 24/7. :P Jul 27 21:39:16 GeneralAntilles, OMFG YOU'RE OLD Jul 27 21:39:17 Actually.. T-24:20 and I turn 29 ;) Jul 27 21:39:17 world records? Jul 27 21:39:23 Proteous, fix yer 770 yet? :P Jul 27 21:39:32 no, got a n810 instead Jul 27 21:39:37 very happy with it Jul 27 21:39:43 No warranty? Jul 27 21:40:19 no, I didn't send it in Jul 27 21:41:20 * lcuk throws up a little bit Jul 27 21:42:00 lcuk: 33? Really? ;) Jul 27 21:42:40 yes Blafasel Jul 27 21:42:46 although the default mail client on os2008 leave something to be desired Jul 27 21:42:47 at least last time i checked Jul 27 21:43:41 I set it up to connect to my mail server via IMAP and every time it would check for mail it would freak out that there was new mail even though it was the same mail that was there before Jul 27 21:43:48 Actually - I thought that the average NIT user would be "older" anyway, more the tinkerer and not the "Take it to school" user. But well. qwerty12 somehow destroyed my prejudices. Jul 27 21:44:30 I even took the time to go through and open the mail on the device so it would mark it as "read" but it didn't help Jul 27 21:44:30 lol Blafasel Jul 27 21:45:05 ;) Jul 27 21:45:56 ive wanted a device like this for years, its been funds Jul 27 22:45:52 * esworp sees a ton of 'interal application errors' for the email client when it checks in the background. it's ok, but not stable. Jul 27 22:52:42 More lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=207681&postcount=89 Jul 27 22:54:38 GeneralAntilles: Wow, I never knew you had a fan club Jul 27 22:54:45 It's pretty big Jul 27 22:55:40 Uhm.. Jul 27 22:55:52 Is that the same guy that argued because we have no 3D support? Jul 27 22:56:03 Nah Jul 27 22:56:13 no Jul 27 22:56:18 Ok Jul 27 22:56:32 That was Mutiny32/Kyle Jones Jul 27 22:56:36 This is the A2DP guy Jul 27 22:56:40 there seems to be a lot of people out there that want to turn the N8*0 into a cheapo ipod touch... Jul 27 22:56:40 Similar approach Jul 27 22:56:47 similar idiocy Jul 27 22:56:59 But I don't understand the part with "3D wouldn't be usefull because Wesnoth (not 3D) is slow" Jul 27 22:57:07 t_s_o, its a perfectly reasonable thing to aim for? Jul 27 22:57:14 and its MORE expensive Jul 27 22:57:27 They're actually about the same right now. Jul 27 22:57:34 anyone seen my stylus? Jul 27 22:57:53 lcuk: I agree, but it's an effort. It needs participation. Expecting an iPod Touch killer would be dumb. Jul 27 22:58:20 * lbt want's a cheap ipod touch - that plays flac like it means it. Jul 27 22:58:40 Blafasel, tbh, if we had the graphical support its really simple to use a generic interface library to create visually pleasing ui Jul 27 22:58:54 anyhow shopper now lives forever!! Jul 27 22:58:56 while i see the potential for multimedia that the N8*0 have, i would not like it if something like canola became the default interface Jul 27 22:58:57 lcuk: Sure Jul 27 22:59:03 lbt :D long live shopper Jul 27 22:59:05 I could see liking a Nokia Npod. Jul 27 22:59:05 (speaking of superb GUIs) Jul 27 22:59:06 lcuk, I think IcoNyx is carrying it up his ass. ;) Jul 27 22:59:20 now make it work in chinook :P Jul 27 22:59:21 lcuk: Like a _base_. Maybe with a prefix ;) Jul 27 22:59:26 and that seems to be implied in the effort to turn the tablet into a itouch competitor... Jul 27 22:59:29 :) of course Jul 27 22:59:42 but i welcome ANY supported library Jul 27 22:59:47 Right Jul 27 22:59:47 if we have the tools people want to play Jul 27 23:00:25 long term i see liqbase getting bindings for other graphics libraries Jul 27 23:01:09 i have the functions and methods i expect to use, and im just learning how it all works. if real apps come of it (as it appears they are) then i will end up supporting it on other systems Jul 27 23:01:43 * lcuk really hopes to have liqbase on his laptop for the usmmit Jul 27 23:02:27 lbt, was it the osso thing for sure then Jul 27 23:02:43 yes Jul 27 23:02:49 excellent Jul 27 23:02:54 Quick question, before I reflash Diablo again... anything I should do to particularly enhance the Awesome? I'm planning on formatting my external card (8GB) to ext3. Anything else I should do? Jul 27 23:02:55 heh, i got to say that i love how people continually find new stuff to put on the tablet "desktop". only thing i can think of that im missing (altho im not sure how much use i would get out of it) are a timezone converter or some applet that could show the time in multiple timezones at ones Jul 27 23:03:45 yes, i know the default clock have something like that, but having it on the desktop would be a bit more accessible then having to open a whole window each time ;) Jul 27 23:03:51 t_s_o, i guess people just bookmark a single page - the amount of time people need something like that has to be of limited value Jul 27 23:04:21 but thats not saying it hasnt been done.. Jul 27 23:04:39 well there is always stock traders or others that work across time zones Jul 27 23:05:01 have you looked if theres a debian version? Jul 27 23:05:03 or just to remind one what the time zone of some people on a chat is ;) Jul 27 23:05:10 nope, cant say i have Jul 27 23:05:17 heh yeah - but i think that should be in xchat personally Jul 27 23:05:26 maybe so Jul 27 23:05:33 show 2 times, local and other user Jul 27 23:05:58 so when they say good morning at midnight you dont scratch your head Jul 27 23:06:04 or maybe a user configureable number of times, depending on how much space the user wants to use Jul 27 23:09:08 heh, last time i was in need of a dual zone clock was while keeping up with the consumer electronics show in las vegas Jul 27 23:09:18 Is there a repository for the maemo buildbot as well? Jul 27 23:12:24 hi Jul 27 23:12:39 who can help me with n810 problem? Jul 27 23:13:25 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22340 Jul 27 23:13:29 here is my problem Jul 27 23:15:14 and when i put chmod +x tomake the flasher tool executable and i try to execute it term says me that the file no exist!! Jul 27 23:15:15 :s Jul 27 23:17:19 I don't have any experience with flashing my n810 Jul 27 23:17:34 I need to buy a cable and upgrade to diablo Jul 27 23:17:36 yelad, you say you have tried the windows flasher Jul 27 23:18:03 lcuk Jul 27 23:18:05 yes Jul 27 23:18:06 Proteous: Buy a cable? Why? There's a cable included with your N810, no? Jul 27 23:18:26 but windows not recognize the usb :P Jul 27 23:18:38 'night all Jul 27 23:18:43 gnite lbt Jul 27 23:18:43 not if you buy it used Jul 27 23:18:50 well, not for me anyway Jul 27 23:18:55 but I got a good deal Jul 27 23:19:18 and I can get a cable for a couple of bucks, just haven't done it yet Jul 27 23:19:51 make sure nokia is fully charged, remove from charger. boot windows, start the flasher doofer, then repeat trying to get it to start. it took me about 5 times to get it right. Jul 27 23:20:24 uhm but i cant charge it Jul 27 23:20:33 when i try to charge it they reboot and reboot Jul 27 23:20:36 you don't have to boot your nokia to charge it Jul 27 23:20:38 and show nokia logo Jul 27 23:20:47 yes Jul 27 23:20:54 but it boot Jul 27 23:20:56 :s Jul 27 23:21:06 press the power button to turn it off when it tries then Jul 27 23:21:21 ok, try this: take the battery out for a short period, pop it back in. without pressing ANY buttons on 810 just plug your charger in Jul 27 23:21:33 no, dont press any buttons at all ever Jul 27 23:21:37 not even power on ;) Jul 27 23:21:44 heh Jul 27 23:22:18 pressing buttons leads to confusion :P Jul 27 23:22:19 ok Jul 27 23:22:29 good night Jul 27 23:22:37 if you manage that, it will start its own proper charging cycle and not try to boot up Jul 27 23:23:00 once that charging cycle says its fully charged you can then get on with the other stuff Jul 27 23:23:48 ok i'll try but i tried to charge it before and the chargin cycle didn't appear Jul 27 23:23:56 sorry by mu poor english Xd Jul 27 23:24:07 on mine it takes about 20-30 seconds to come on properly and say charging Jul 27 23:25:06 before that though, the backlight should come on the display - even if its black Jul 27 23:26:37 nothin y pluged the charger Jul 27 23:26:40 nokia logo appears Jul 27 23:26:46 then chargin logo appears Jul 27 23:26:49 and reboot Jul 27 23:27:14 then nokia logo appears and reboot, nokia logo again and reboot again and again again Jul 27 23:27:17 :S Jul 27 23:27:43 do you have any peripherals plugged in (mmc cards the usb etc? Jul 27 23:27:56 nothing mmc is unplugged Jul 27 23:27:59 and usb too Jul 27 23:28:04 only charger Jul 27 23:28:20 Did you unplug the charger before you removed the battery? Jul 27 23:28:26 yes Jul 27 23:28:39 if something is going wrong when you are just attempting to charge then you will have to contact nokia Jul 27 23:28:58 ok :( Jul 27 23:29:01 at that stage there is nothing that should be user configurable running and no reason for it to crash Jul 27 23:29:50 and since you have removed the battery now and basically tried everything you as a user can do (unplug everything etc) theres not a great deal that can be done from software Jul 27 23:30:31 just a curiousity - is something caught in the power button? Jul 27 23:30:40 like a bit of pocket lint Jul 27 23:30:52 ok, i'll contact nokia tomorrow, :( my holydais without n810 :( Jul 27 23:31:06 power button is perfect Jul 27 23:31:07 :d Jul 27 23:33:39 great, its contagious - mine wont switch on now Jul 27 23:33:51 * lcuk powered down to see what might be happenin Jul 27 23:34:17 xD Jul 27 23:47:25 Hi. I got a nokia n800 some days ago... I'm trying to use the email app with gmail's imap, but it doesn't seem to be 'pulling' folders/labels, I'm only getting inbox. Am I missing something? is this a bug? Jul 27 23:51:10 I tried to use the built in email app yesterday, I almost threw my n810 out the window Jul 27 23:53:05 and I tried installing claws, but it grinds everything to an almost complete stop Jul 27 23:53:19 I'd like to use the default email app since I don't need many features Jul 27 23:53:25 anyone? Jul 27 23:54:12 gregorovius__, i wouldnt knwo, does gmail need something specific to get all? Jul 27 23:54:46 I wasn't aware that gmail used folders Jul 27 23:54:49 I though it was all tags Jul 27 23:55:48 gmail uses tags, but when accesed through imap, it translates the labels to folders Jul 27 23:57:00 so if i have tags for things the mail gets downloaded for each tag? Jul 27 23:58:45 are people talking about diablo and modest now? Jul 28 00:00:21 lcuk, I think so Jul 28 00:00:34 t_s_o, yes Jul 28 00:00:58 arghh! that would be doubly slow - ive got about 4 gb of mail and lots of mail has multiple tags Jul 28 00:01:59 but it only downloads the headers Jul 28 00:02:04 hmmm maybe a cull is in order Jul 28 00:04:16 awww what happens if you want to read stuff and you are offline? Jul 28 00:06:07 you can't, unless you've downloaded the message previously, what you can configure in most email apps Jul 28 00:07:04 cya m8s Jul 28 00:08:26 gregorovius__, you did update to Diablo, right? Jul 28 00:09:23 3g ping time: 5226ms Jul 28 00:09:49 yes, I'm using diablo Jul 28 00:09:52 wow, ga - thats faster than my cable isp Jul 28 00:10:01 lol Jul 28 00:10:03 on a n800 Jul 28 00:10:25 and it does depend on what you are pinging of course Jul 28 00:10:38 is tablets-dev still down? Jul 28 00:11:30 lcuk, waiting dns to propagate. Jul 28 00:11:50 really - im gettin access denied? Jul 28 00:11:59 Be up for everybody sometime tomorrow. Jul 28 00:12:13 It stillo points to the old server. Jul 28 00:12:30 gotcha - which has been reconfigured Jul 28 00:12:30 Which doesn't hist tablets-dev anymore Jul 28 00:12:50 Dunno why they didn't just leave it up in both places Jul 28 00:12:56 But, eh, Nokia. . . . Jul 28 00:13:10 nah, changes occur everywhere Jul 28 00:13:40 has anyone read dune? Jul 28 00:13:46 Or my N800's autocomplete suggestion: Nokiasuxalot. Jul 28 00:13:53 mememe Jul 28 00:13:54 lol Jul 28 00:14:21 i just started it (because its a series and not just a single book) Jul 28 00:14:41 but whether its just me bein tired or not, im just mehhh at what im reading Jul 28 00:14:47 lol Jul 28 00:14:48 does it get better Jul 28 00:14:53 Keep reading Jul 28 00:15:01 It's seriously awesome Jul 28 00:15:24 Just don't bother with the ones his son wrote. Jul 28 00:15:24 yer, ive heard good reviews, but its a bit of a slowburner Jul 28 00:15:59 Many significant novels are. Jul 28 00:16:13 i try to stick in the same worlds - ive been into known space for a while Jul 28 00:16:16 I think I really appreciated it more the second time around. Jul 28 00:16:25 Sorta like the Big Lebowski Jul 28 00:16:34 Gets better each time through Jul 28 00:17:16 Has everything fallen apart yet? Jul 28 00:17:17 i prefer to read new stuff, niven is a god and has many books Jul 28 00:17:31 or are you still being setup? Jul 28 00:17:59 no, its just gettin started - ive had it open for about a week and instead of getting into it my mind wanders Jul 28 00:18:13 anyone knows where is modest's configuration files? Jul 28 00:18:32 s/is/are Jul 28 00:18:50 gconf Jul 28 00:19:42 oh, no wonder I couldn't find anything in ~ Jul 28 00:20:48 lcuk, perservere, it gets badass fast Jul 28 00:21:16 ok :) ill try not to drop my 810 tonight Jul 28 00:21:18 lcuk, I second/third, dune is great Jul 28 00:24:11 Haha, I love destroying stupid threads by bringing it down to everybody calling me an asshole. Jul 28 00:24:35 thats cos you are an asshole :P Jul 28 00:26:30 is this the same a2dp thread? Jul 28 00:29:18 wtf http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/2454539/Man-breaks-underwater-cycling-record.html Jul 28 00:29:28 Where do these 'trolling is clearly the best way to be productive' people come from? Jul 28 00:29:49 i dunno, it invariably never works Jul 28 00:29:49 It's like a bunch of sock puppet accounts. Jul 28 00:29:59 Of course it doesn't work. Jul 28 00:30:18 Idiots mouthing off is never effective. Jul 28 00:30:35 the best way to get people to help is to show you are serious and do whatever you can to mitigate or sort the problem yourself Jul 28 00:32:01 with loud customers, we request they go through the motions of their problems and do some monitoring and put together clear details of whats happening. when they do that we help them in a likewise manner and usually get issues resolved Jul 28 00:32:22 the less effort people will have to put in order to solve your problem, the more gladly they'll help. Jul 28 00:32:24 the other alternative is they shut up and go away Jul 28 00:33:10 yes crashanddie, helping each other is important. like the guy who used his flatbed scanner to send me liqbase screenshots Jul 28 00:33:22 yeah, for example :) Jul 28 00:33:25 i was amazed and made sure i solved his problem Jul 28 00:34:10 any cooler there yet? Jul 28 00:34:11 well, modest from the modest repo works well... how can I make it default? Jul 28 00:34:12 You know, with google, everybody's an expert about everything Jul 28 00:34:38 You see that a lot in computer shops, or worse, in hospitals Jul 28 00:34:42 Modest updated from the repo in Diablo? Jul 28 00:35:04 People thinking they're have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum Jul 28 00:35:19 s/'re// Jul 28 00:35:19 crashanddie meant: People thinking they have the knowledge to give their opinion, when in fact, they're just quoting some dodgy website/troll in a forum Jul 28 00:35:26 well thats what they get for listening to you crashanddie :P Jul 28 00:35:39 modest updated from [Repository is online] Jul 28 00:35:40 http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/ Jul 28 00:36:15 lcuk, I'm not all that active on forums anymore... Got tired of people quoting me in front of me Jul 28 00:37:12 heh crash, but irc is logged in just the same way Jul 28 00:37:19 * lcuk used it earlier Jul 28 00:37:25 haha Jul 28 00:37:46 lcuk, I guess you saw the "that guy's a maniac" quote then ? :P Jul 28 00:38:02 yer :) Jul 28 00:38:29 lcuk: maniac genuis or somefin Jul 28 00:38:33 Stupid cellular intarwebs Jul 28 00:38:43 :D:D:D:D @ spellin Jul 28 00:56:06 test test test Jul 28 00:56:11 s/test// Jul 28 00:56:11 crashanddie meant: test test Jul 28 00:56:16 test test test Jul 28 00:56:20 s/test//g Jul 28 00:56:21 crashanddie meant: Jul 28 01:00:33 gf Jul 28 01:01:57 GAN800, ? Jul 28 01:02:39 s/gf/gj/ Jul 28 01:02:39 GAN800 meant: gj Jul 28 01:02:43 : Jul 28 01:02:45 P Jul 28 01:03:07 go jog? Jul 28 01:03:09 I already went today Jul 28 01:03:17 I'm going to call it a Dvorak/qwerty typo, but it was actually a lazy fkb typo. Jul 28 01:08:19 gnite chan Jul 28 01:08:43 lol oops Jul 28 01:08:46 hey Jul 28 01:08:53 xchat didn't pick you up leaving Jul 28 01:09:01 i meant to change nick not close it Jul 28 01:09:09 that's what she said Jul 28 01:09:26 you best not be pointing your finger at me now Jul 28 01:09:53 even if I were, I'd probably off a few hundred miles Jul 28 01:10:10 s/off/be off/ Jul 28 01:10:10 crashanddie meant: even if I were, I'd probably be off a few hundred miles Jul 28 01:10:50 s/be off/BOSS/ Jul 28 01:11:13 heh Jul 28 01:11:21 heh - i know why it didnt log me out Jul 28 01:11:21 the one who scripted infobot isn't all that stupid Jul 28 01:11:46 ~infobot Jul 28 01:11:47 crashanddie, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/) Jul 28 01:12:57 ~karma for GAN800 Jul 28 01:12:58 for gan800 has neutral karma Jul 28 01:13:04 ~karma for GeneralAntilles Jul 28 01:13:04 for generalantilles has neutral karma Jul 28 01:13:14 ~karma GeneralAntilles Jul 28 01:13:14 generalantilles has neutral karma Jul 28 01:13:17 hmm Jul 28 01:13:20 crashanddie++ Jul 28 01:13:20 :( Jul 28 01:13:25 ~crashanddie++ Jul 28 01:13:37 haha (infobot) please don't karma yourself Jul 28 01:13:45 ~karma crashanddie Jul 28 01:13:45 crashanddie has neutral karma Jul 28 01:13:52 ~GeneralAntilles++ Jul 28 01:14:02 ~GAN800++ Jul 28 01:14:10 ~karma GAN800 Jul 28 01:14:10 gan800 has karma of 1 Jul 28 01:14:13 w00t Jul 28 01:14:33 lol Jul 28 01:14:33 lame. Jul 28 01:20:17 ~nickometer GAN800 Jul 28 01:20:19 'GAN800' is 69.000% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 01:20:26 HEH Jul 28 01:20:50 :( Jul 28 01:21:07 ~nickometer crashanddie Jul 28 01:21:08 'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan800 Jul 28 01:21:15 AHAHAHAHAHAHA Jul 28 01:21:41 How's that work? Jul 28 01:21:49 digits, I gather Jul 28 01:22:10 ~nickometer crash219and218di Jul 28 01:22:11 'crash219and218di' is 66.000% lame, crash219and218di Jul 28 01:22:13 ~nickometer crashanddie Jul 28 01:22:14 'crashanddie' is 0.000% lame, gan800 Jul 28 01:22:22 hmm Jul 28 01:22:37 ~nickometer `0660 Jul 28 01:22:39 '`0660' is 52.000% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 01:22:41 Need the right nick. Jul 28 01:22:49 ~nickometer 1234567890 Jul 28 01:22:51 '1234567890' is 90.770% lame, gan800 Jul 28 01:22:56 ouch Jul 28 01:23:03 ~nickometer GeneralAntilles Jul 28 01:23:05 'GeneralAntilles' is 0.000% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 01:23:29 ~search google for maemo Jul 28 01:23:33 lame function Jul 28 01:23:45 ~google for maemo Jul 28 01:23:50 damnit Jul 28 01:23:55 ~traceroute google.com Jul 28 01:23:56 traceroute to google.com (google.com), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets Jul 28 01:23:59 I was kinda hoping it was tallying logs for some sort of cool metric. Jul 28 01:24:13 hmm Jul 28 01:24:48 ~give me an excuse Jul 28 01:24:49 * infobot gives an excuse to crashanddie Jul 28 01:24:59 ~give me an excuse, or excuse Jul 28 01:25:00 * infobot gives an excuse, or excuse to crashanddie Jul 28 01:25:13 ~change 100USD to EUR Jul 28 01:25:15 that doesn't look right Jul 28 01:25:19 ~change 100 USD to EUR Jul 28 01:25:24 i got some error trying that Jul 28 01:25:43 ~nslookup google.com Jul 28 01:25:45 google.com is 64.233.167.99 Jul 28 01:26:02 ~$who am i ? Jul 28 01:26:18 ~do you know who i am, $who ? Jul 28 01:26:18 yes, I know who i am, $who. Jul 28 01:26:36 ~echo $who Jul 28 01:26:37 $who Jul 28 01:26:43 ~echo $date Jul 28 01:26:44 $date Jul 28 01:26:49 stupid bot Jul 28 01:27:02 infobot, join #gentoo Jul 28 01:27:18 infobot, part #maemo Jul 28 01:27:37 oh well, I've had enough fun Jul 28 01:27:45 'night, take care GA Jul 28 01:28:03 infobot, good night Jul 28 01:28:04 Good night, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! Jul 28 01:28:05 ~nickometer Raytray Jul 28 01:28:06 'Raytray' is 0.000% lame, raytray Jul 28 01:28:14 * Raytray > GA. Jul 28 01:28:43 ~nickometer c0d3h4ck Jul 28 01:28:44 'c0d3h4ck' is 44.000% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 01:29:06 ~nickometer Guest92147 Jul 28 01:29:08 'Guest92147' is 48.000% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 01:29:08 'night, Frenchie. Jul 28 01:29:11 lol Jul 28 01:29:16 there's no one over your score GA Jul 28 01:29:24 :( Jul 28 01:29:26 GAN800, got my message ? Jul 28 01:30:39 Yeah, few days ago Jul 28 01:30:44 I laughed Jul 28 01:30:57 ha :D Jul 28 01:31:03 Oh, and that's apparently my dad on the voicemail Jul 28 01:31:13 it is ? Jul 28 01:31:30 Yeah, I didn't even notice Jul 28 01:32:11 were you shocked when you heard the first part of "ze message" ? Jul 28 01:32:19 We sounf pretty much the same. Jul 28 01:32:28 I'm not as deep Jul 28 01:32:37 Not particularly. :P Jul 28 01:32:48 I fell right for the stereotype. :D Jul 28 01:32:54 I don't have a french accent Jul 28 01:33:02 Fuck y'all yanks Jul 28 01:33:12 Yeah. noticed the uk accent. :P Jul 28 01:33:18 Dinnertime, later. Jul 28 01:33:19 well Jul 28 01:33:21 A few days ago Jul 28 01:33:33 some UK gal thought I was from Australia Jul 28 01:58:35 ~nickometer ryoohki Jul 28 01:58:37 'ryoohki' is 0.000% lame, ryoohki Jul 28 02:01:06 !nickometer Toba Jul 28 02:01:10 er Jul 28 02:01:12 ~nickometer Toba Jul 28 02:01:14 'Toba' is 0.000% lame, toba Jul 28 02:01:24 ~nickometer xxxawesomedudexxx Jul 28 02:01:25 'xxxawesomedudexxx' is 73.000% lame, toba Jul 28 02:01:28 ha. Jul 28 02:06:52 * robink tries out a dvorak keymapping. Jul 28 02:08:24 Took me about a minute to type that. Jul 28 02:10:49 slowly getting better. Jul 28 02:16:47 Helo Jul 28 02:26:22 I made one 3g usb modem works on n800 ;) Jul 28 02:27:17 smyows, very cool :D Jul 28 02:27:27 is it working well for you? Jul 28 02:28:03 Perfect also one problem Jul 28 02:28:50 If i connect via wvdial, the browser not works Jul 28 02:29:11 He ask for new connection Jul 28 02:29:56 are you using dummyIAP? (I don't remember if that's possible in diablo) Jul 28 02:30:20 I have to make one change in the hub to work ;p Jul 28 02:30:43 No, i don't use this Jul 28 02:31:09 What's dummyaip Jul 28 02:32:40 hmm...this link looks kinda old: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/DummyIAP/ Jul 28 02:33:38 Let me see Jul 28 02:35:23 Hmmm verrrrrry interesting xD Jul 28 02:36:11 I think if it works, my problem is end Jul 28 02:39:43 http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=WEcckX1kHWI this one reminds me a lot of the 'Reid' amiga tracker tunes Jul 28 02:39:47 oh sorry Jul 28 02:44:04 soon i will surpass my qwerty rate. Jul 28 02:44:30 robink, that's the theory... Jul 28 02:48:09 hopefully it'll work out that way. Jul 28 02:49:49 I just printed out a cheatsheet. Jul 28 02:52:30 Anyone here use dvorak? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 02:59:56 2008