**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 28 02:59:56 2008 Jul 28 03:08:06 I listen to him on TWIT Jul 28 03:08:16 and cranky geeks Jul 28 03:09:28 joke btw Jul 28 03:09:34 johnx: hi Jul 28 03:09:59 smyows, any luck? Jul 28 03:09:59 I change the command, but do not work Jul 28 03:11:06 At the moment i'm connected with 3g usb modem Jul 28 03:11:06 smyows, maybe it's just not available any more. maybe you could make a wifi ad-hoc connection, then manually bring down the interface after it starts Jul 28 03:11:36 Immm its a good idea Jul 28 03:13:49 my n810 keyboard is making me regret setting my sceen meta key to ctrl-o Jul 28 03:14:26 Default connection shows on connectivy connections, but do not shows if i try to select Jul 28 03:17:05 johnx: with ad-hoc connection works xD, i down the interface with xterm Jul 28 03:17:28 smyows, I found the info here: smy http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Diablo_PAN#Set_up Jul 28 03:17:51 smyows, glad to hear it works for you :) Jul 28 03:17:55 * johnx heads off to work now Jul 28 03:18:02 Proteus: I didn't know John Dvorak was on TWIT. Jul 28 03:18:49 yeah Jul 28 03:19:03 Little bit hack to work 3g usb modems ;) tomorrow i 'll write on my blog for brazillian users Jul 28 03:19:04 he's the best part Jul 28 03:19:54 All I listen to is FLOSS weekly. Jul 28 03:20:39 Slowly I improve. Jul 28 03:22:13 heh Jul 28 03:24:19 I just hope I don't regret trying to learn DVORAK. Jul 28 03:29:04 robink: Learning chording might be more useful long-term Jul 28 03:29:21 So... Mission completed Jul 28 03:29:22 Go to bed Jul 28 03:29:40 Bye good night for all Jul 28 03:30:45 Dekarite: Chording? Jul 28 03:33:18 Like with a frogpad or joystick Jul 28 03:33:54 Oh. Jul 28 03:34:51 Dvorak is fundamentally a "home row" method, it won't give you any advantage on an N810 keyboard Jul 28 03:35:25 Looking at the GCOS keyboard right now. Jul 28 03:36:04 Wow, n810 + mplayer + h264 != a good experience Jul 28 03:36:17 I wasn't planning on remapping my N810. Jul 28 03:36:43 Haha I bet not. Jul 28 03:38:09 oops s/C/K/ Jul 28 03:39:44 My typo rate is still higher with this new keymapping. Jul 28 03:44:25 Heh Jul 28 03:44:31 Ideas move funny Jul 28 03:44:56 I've talked to people who used s// to indicate correction of a type Jul 28 03:45:03 But who hadn't heard of regular expressions Jul 28 03:45:47 I've heard of that. Jul 28 03:49:58 I'm still not sure I'll be able to type as fast with a dvorak keymapping as I can with QWERTY. Jul 28 04:22:38 A phd spent a good amount of time proving that the DVORAK keyboard is faster. Jul 28 04:22:54 probably makes no difference if you're fat-fingering tiny keys Jul 28 04:23:08 but certainly it makes a difference on a full size keyboard Jul 28 04:24:04 for fat-fingering a tiny keyboard, someone could come up with a similar concept.. perhaps a whole new arrangement that only makes the thumb stretch for the least common letters Jul 28 04:24:59 instead of having one home row, you would have two home /columns/ Jul 28 04:27:04 robink, I use Dvorak. Jul 28 04:43:07 GeneralAntilles: Cool. Jul 28 04:43:16 It's definitely worth it Jul 28 04:43:32 Pick up an IBM Model M/New Unicomp board while you're at it. Jul 28 04:43:42 Just be sure to continue using qwerty while you're learning Jul 28 04:43:50 So you don't unlearn your qwerty skills Jul 28 04:43:50 unixSnob: Chording keyboards are the solution to the 'tiny keys' problem Jul 28 04:46:19 I'm going to switch back to QWERTY to finish my resume. Jul 28 04:46:32 Can anyone recommend a good US data plan / Cell phone to tether the n810 with? Jul 28 04:48:30 Right now I'm using a Happy Hacking keyboard. Jul 28 04:49:53 I'll see if I can pick up a new IBM keyboard somewheres. Jul 28 04:50:19 http://www.pckeyboard.com Jul 28 04:50:21 They make new ones Jul 28 04:50:25 Very nice boards. Jul 28 04:50:26 I own 3. Jul 28 04:52:02 Buckling spring? Jul 28 04:55:30 Yeah, buckling spring. Jul 28 04:55:46 Unicomp got the patents from Lexmark. Jul 28 04:56:42 Which particular model do you recommend? Jul 28 04:58:03 Customizer Jul 28 04:58:13 You can get the one with the nipple mouse Jul 28 04:58:17 if you like nipple mice Jul 28 04:58:20 expensive, though Jul 28 04:58:35 http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html Jul 28 04:58:37 That with USB Jul 28 04:58:46 You can call them to get 'em to switch it to Dvorak if you want Jul 28 04:58:52 or switch the caps when you get it. Jul 28 04:59:19 The dots on f and j are a decent way for me to tell qwerty and Dvorak keyboards apart by feel. Jul 28 04:59:22 nipple mice? >_> Jul 28 04:59:35 http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/onthestick.html Jul 28 05:00:05 Or, actually: http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104wh.html Jul 28 05:00:07 Got a bit cheaper Jul 28 05:03:01 I'll check out the customizer when I get some cash. Jul 28 05:04:34 GeneralAntilles: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ Jul 28 05:05:36 They sell Model M's with trackpoints and trackballs Jul 28 05:06:51 I need a Windows key Jul 28 05:06:54 Useless without one Jul 28 05:07:02 and IBM didn't make many of those. Jul 28 05:07:22 Capslock remap? Jul 28 05:07:37 Meh, not worth the effort Jul 28 05:07:42 I already have the keyboards I want. Jul 28 05:07:49 actually, i hate to say it, but i need the windows key too. not in windows, I usually disable it in windows :P but in linux I need it for Super Jul 28 05:08:52 I use the windows key for WM shortcuts -- leave alt for applications Jul 28 05:08:54 dunno where my windows key is currently tho <_< i pried it off when i was on my windows comp Jul 28 05:09:50 * robink 's super key is actually a super key. Jul 28 05:11:14 ErgoDex DX1? Jul 28 05:11:46 http://www.ergodex.com/ Jul 28 05:12:08 wb johnx Jul 28 05:12:55 pffff Jul 28 05:17:36 johnx: me and zanshin slowly started a port to 770, isn't easy as there's like 6m free on os2008he :P so we do it through debootstrap tar.gz with second stage and a -lot- of mount --bind and then postdebootstrapping (our installer) on the setup Jul 28 05:22:22 * robink attempts to compile OpenOffice. Jul 28 05:32:34 robink, you're brave ;) Jul 28 05:37:58 Hey, how's everyone doing tonight? :) Jul 28 05:39:07 It took me all afternoon but I got my Google Reader unread count under 200 Jul 28 05:40:57 it's morning and i need coffee. Jul 28 05:41:02 and a cigarette. Jul 28 05:43:45 That sounds healthy. *lol* Jul 28 05:44:38 Anyone here have perl installed on Diablo? Jul 28 05:45:35 It's bundled. Jul 28 05:46:16 I've tried both red and blue pill mode, but it's asking for perl-base or something and I can't seem to find that. Jul 28 05:47:14 Red Pill is never an answer. Jul 28 05:47:47 I thought Red Pill was always the answer. In fact, I always keep red mode on. Jul 28 05:48:07 Why does everybody thing that's a good thing to do? Jul 28 05:48:11 Who started that. . . . Jul 28 05:48:22 I thought it's because you have more junk to choose from with red pill. :) Jul 28 05:48:30 Red Pill is like taking a sledge hammer to every problem Jul 28 05:48:33 It's a bad plan. Jul 28 05:48:38 A REALLY bad plan. Jul 28 05:48:46 A reboot loop and broken system bad plan. Jul 28 05:48:52 Yeah, more is better. :\ Jul 28 05:49:05 Aside from the fact that if it's not in User/ it doesn't concern you. Jul 28 05:49:20 If you REALLY need something that's not in User/, then apt-get is the answer. Jul 28 05:50:02 I actually just prefer to download the .deb files and put them on my memory card. It's the simplest way for me to understand what I'm doing. Jul 28 05:50:49 That's also a terrible plan. Jul 28 05:50:58 The only problem is, the .deb files tend to be really a big pain in the waffle twat trying to find. *lol* Jul 28 05:51:03 As it basically does away with all the easy- and convenient-making features of apt. Jul 28 05:51:29 and makes upgrades really hard because you don't have an application list you can restore Jul 28 05:51:33 So "apt-get perl" will do me justice then? Jul 28 05:51:39 .deb-installed packages don't get upgraded. Jul 28 05:51:51 Figure out what the real dependency is. Jul 28 05:52:19 "perl-base or something" is not good enough. Jul 28 05:52:24 Is it or is it not perl-base? Jul 28 05:52:48 . . . and, please, stop doing things to deliberately make things harder on yourself. :\ Jul 28 05:54:21 I'm getting perl-base (=5.8.3-3osso7) missing there GA. Jul 28 05:56:02 But I already installed the perl-base .deb file from here... Jul 28 05:56:03 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/p/perl/ Jul 28 05:56:37 That's osso9 Jul 28 05:56:42 Bad dependencies Jul 28 05:57:02 You could probably unpack the .deb and make it depend on >=5.8.3-3osso7 Jul 28 05:57:06 No guarantees, though. Jul 28 05:57:24 I don't know how to unpack. Poopers. Jul 28 05:57:36 Google is your guide. Jul 28 05:58:56 Unpack, modify the control file, repack. Jul 28 05:59:02 Pretty straightforward. Jul 28 05:59:03 I can only find that 5.8.3-3osso7 version for Chinook though. Jul 28 05:59:13 debs are packed with "ar" Jul 28 05:59:24 * GeneralAntilles hands off to rm_you. Jul 28 05:59:51 when you unpack it with ar, you will have a data.tgz and a control.tgz Jul 28 06:00:12 you need to then unpack the control with tar and edit the files there Jul 28 06:00:20 then repack it, then repack the whole thing with ar Jul 28 06:00:47 i would explain better but i'm on a time crunch writing something <_< Jul 28 06:01:39 Maybe I should just go back to Chinook for the time being. :) Jul 28 06:01:49 lol why Jul 28 06:02:18 dpkg-deb -e and -x are nice too for extracting :P Jul 28 06:02:21 you could also just downgrade your perl-base Jul 28 06:02:21 Your last three suggestions, while I appreciate your response, was like reading Sputnik to me. *lol* Jul 28 06:02:31 and then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.) Jul 28 06:18:47 hi, I saw some bugs in the bugzilla are related to the old busybox, did someone have the plan to upgrade to the latest one? Jul 28 07:35:02 Hi ! Jul 28 07:35:50 Heya Khertan! Jul 28 07:36:24 hi addi, Jul 28 07:36:34 arg autocompletion don t ork Jul 28 07:36:46 sorry for truncating your name Jul 28 07:37:14 That was unacceptable! *lol* Jul 28 07:37:35 :) Jul 28 07:38:08 So what are you doing here tonight Khertan? Jul 28 07:38:27 thiks is morning for me Jul 28 07:38:28 :) Jul 28 07:38:48 09:38 GMT +02:00 Jul 28 07:39:21 and i m in the train going to work Jul 28 07:39:28 (just a bit late) Jul 28 07:39:35 It's 3:39 am here, not sure if that makes it morning for me or really, really late. :) Jul 28 07:40:07 lol Jul 28 07:41:33 i m waiting the message of autobuilder Jul 28 07:41:51 to take a screenshot to make some docs about py2deb Jul 28 07:42:44 py2deb? You're speaking gibberish to me son. Jul 28 07:43:03 * Khertan_n810 just remember that he have forgotten to make a post/pre install/remove setting Jul 28 07:43:33 py2deb it s a small python module to create debian soource package from the nit Jul 28 07:43:43 to upload them to auto builder Jul 28 07:44:09 Well, that certainly went over my head. *lol* Jul 28 07:44:15 :) Jul 28 07:45:29 homecpuspeed, homediskfree, and homememfree should be available in extras repository in few minutes Jul 28 07:45:36 for diablo Jul 28 07:46:54 Applets? Jul 28 07:47:15 Any chance you could add perl-base to that list as well? Jul 28 07:47:20 :) Jul 28 07:47:43 If they're what they sound like, they might be interesting Jul 28 07:50:36 there is :) Jul 28 07:50:50 yes this is hildon desktop home applet Jul 28 07:51:17 Addison > no chance ... i hate perl Jul 28 07:51:58 XTLi > they was already available for chinook Jul 28 07:53:47 hi gan800 Jul 28 07:54:03 Howdy Jul 28 07:54:54 i like the things that i don t need anymore to update maemo.org/downloads Jul 28 07:55:17 Yeah, perl has become my nemesis as well. I've been trying to get it installed for the past day and all I can say is that I what to beat the crap out of something. *lol* Jul 28 07:55:18 XLTi : http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/homediskfree/ Jul 28 07:56:44 silly question: is maemo 2008 lacking support for WPA2 in some fashion? My network's not being detected Jul 28 07:56:50 Shows up in apt I think :) Jul 28 07:57:09 yes Jul 28 07:57:11 aspect: I think it works for me Jul 28 07:58:00 WPA2 works fine here. Jul 28 07:59:50 i see there is a session about packages uploading to extras at summit Jul 28 08:00:22 Hmm.. I can't remember what device complaied about the password length... Jul 28 08:00:39 do u think it ll be possible to talk about py2deb ... Jul 28 08:01:09 Khertan, talk about whatever you want. ;) Jul 28 08:01:21 :) Jul 28 08:01:22 schedule is community organized Jul 28 08:01:33 Put a note on the talk page. Jul 28 08:01:42 i don t know yet if i can come Jul 28 08:03:29 I really hope the dns for tablets-dev wasn't just changed a couple hours ago. . . . Jul 28 08:05:34 Morning, all Jul 28 08:05:43 <_marcell_> GAN800: actually it was changed a couple of minutes ago. I mean, back to normal. Jul 28 08:06:30 So . . . down for another day or two? . . . Jul 28 08:07:09 ok there's something weird going on with the signal .. n800 sitting on top of a laptop connected to the AP and it can see all my neighbours but not this one Jul 28 08:08:31 <_marcell_> I was hoping that it could be done during the weekend and it would be normal by Monday, but it did not go as I expected. Jul 28 08:08:51 Not good. . . . Jul 28 08:09:40 <_marcell_> I agree Jul 28 08:18:32 Morning Jul 28 08:18:48 GAN800: i ve added my thought to the talk discussion page Jul 28 08:18:56 Hi X-fade Jul 28 08:19:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Lightning_sessions Jul 28 08:19:35 Khertan_n810: I approved yourt py2dev project btw. Jul 28 08:19:49 i ve also created a project on garage :) Jul 28 08:19:58 That is the one ;) Jul 28 08:19:59 ah thx X-Fade Jul 28 08:21:03 morning Jul 28 08:21:17 morning trickie Jul 28 08:23:30 * Khertan_n810 hope one day he could live from his dev for mobile device hoby Jul 28 08:23:52 from home :) Jul 28 08:24:39 i m tired of 3h30 of train every days Jul 28 08:25:23 i ve received a mail from an user greeting me for mcalendar Jul 28 08:25:38 Khertan_n810: Aw, that must be a killer. That is a lot of time.. Jul 28 08:26:06 Khertan_n810: i hear ya! Me also Jul 28 08:26:20 Yeesh Jul 28 08:26:20 its a real pleasure to wake up and see this mail Jul 28 08:26:24 Khertan_n810: although my commute is 10 mins on a bike Jul 28 08:26:38 * GAN800 drives 7 minutes to work and 8 to school. Jul 28 08:27:12 u donn t live in france :) Jul 28 08:27:14 * X-Fade walks 5 seconds to his office ;) Jul 28 08:27:42 it was a choice to be able to bought an house Jul 28 08:27:45 Khertan, thank goodness for that. :P Jul 28 08:27:59 as price in paris is really too hight Jul 28 08:28:58 yeah if i wanted to buy a property, and still work in amsterdam id be in a similar position, not 3 hours commute but alot longer Jul 28 08:29:09 than 10 mins Jul 28 08:30:54 lol there is a petition about kMeteo ... as i ve stopped dev ... :) Jul 28 08:31:09 no more palm user :) Jul 28 08:32:10 arriving to ork Jul 28 08:32:12 bye Jul 28 08:32:50 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=207784&posted=1#post207784 Jul 28 08:33:00 the pic is on? Jul 28 08:38:13 ok fixed Jul 28 08:40:25 wee pidgin on n800 is cool Jul 28 08:41:32 hey khertan_ Jul 28 08:42:46 khertan_: accepted you on the barcode project Jul 28 08:43:41 yeah i was about to Jul 28 08:43:48 but it said he was already :P Jul 28 08:44:09 khertan_: you doing a new GUI in python? Jul 28 08:44:23 actually, converting as much of this stuff as possible to python would rock Jul 28 08:44:41 i would much rather use python for my amazon-scraping code Jul 28 08:47:36 It seems pretty heavy on the 810 for me Jul 28 08:47:48 But that's just a vague impression Jul 28 08:48:16 Python, I mean. I should look at it more. It really is very convenient Jul 28 08:51:44 lol: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193248&postcount=2 Jul 28 08:51:48 Poor Khertan. Jul 28 08:53:19 Surrounded by alto strings and misses.. Jul 28 08:55:55 moo, all Jul 28 08:56:16 Moos Jul 28 08:56:26 Khertan managed to freeze Maemo using Python?!? Jul 28 08:58:06 could anyone with a n810 please pastebin me the output of 'lshal | grep info.capabilities' ? Jul 28 09:00:42 trickie|work: http://pastebin.com/m4dbe533 Jul 28 09:00:58 jott: thanks! Jul 28 09:09:56 it seems that liblocations location_gpsd_control_stop() does not necessarily shut down gpsd properly. There are AFAIK no other programs using GPS on the n810 active. Does anyone have an idea whats wrong? Jul 28 09:17:43 nomis, you forgot the silver bullet. Jul 28 09:23:33 yikes! :) Jul 28 09:24:50 It's normal. Also, if the camera appears to be on all the time there is no reason to be alarmed Jul 28 09:25:05 Ehehe Jul 28 09:25:15 By all means, do not worry that you are being followed. Jul 28 09:25:54 You may wish to recite your PIN numbers and other important personal information to help calm yourself. Jul 28 09:25:56 and those tcp packages to nsa.gov are totally normal.. Jul 28 09:27:05 It was in the 75th paragraph of the DRM part in the eula. Jul 28 09:27:43 Right after requirement to surrender your first born child? Jul 28 09:27:51 jott: you are the author of the advanced light/sound applet? Jul 28 09:27:56 So you're covered if your acceptance was implied Jul 28 09:28:03 RST38h, which we still haven't received from you. . . . Jul 28 09:28:04 nomis: yes one of them. Jul 28 09:28:32 jott: I am the author of the statusbar clock. Have you experienced that system-applets get lost when installing the statusbar applet? Jul 28 09:28:41 (or re-installing) Jul 28 09:28:48 GA: Yea, what are you going to do about it, I wonder... Jul 28 09:29:27 nomis: no. actually not. just that they move out to this (<) submenu if there is not enough space. Jul 28 09:29:59 nomis, the resizable desktop applet is pretty neat. :D Jul 28 09:30:11 is there some way to reproduce this behavior? Jul 28 09:30:24 jott: mhm. Sometimes when (re-)installing the statusbarclock e.g. the battery-applet disappears and cannot even be reenabled, since the configuration gui does not allow to toggle these. Jul 28 09:30:34 jott: it is not really deterministic. Jul 28 09:30:51 nomis: config file corruption? Jul 28 09:30:51 I saw that once many months back. Jul 28 09:30:54 I wonder if I have messed up something in the registering process. Jul 28 09:30:59 Not sure how I fixed it. Jul 28 09:32:06 GeneralAntilles: have a look at http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/bahnhofsuhr.html - the Bahnhofsuhr thingie is something I've ported to various media :) Jul 28 09:32:15 nomis: actually creating the correct desktop file should be enough. (and putting the plugin in the right directory) Jul 28 09:32:45 nomis, I blew it up a bit and covered the clock half of Nokia's clock applet so it also has a date. Jul 28 09:32:46 greetings Jul 28 09:32:48 jott: yeah, I mean, it works. I just wonder if I can do something wrong to confuse the desktop application to lose the state of the other applications. Jul 28 09:33:01 GeneralAntilles: heh :) Jul 28 09:33:20 ... other applets. Jul 28 09:33:27 One good thing about the unlockable-applets. ;) Jul 28 09:35:18 nomis: it not happened to my, so i can't really tell... Jul 28 09:35:28 jott: ok. Jul 28 09:35:48 One thing I wish IM systems did was pass along info about what timezone the other end is in (if available and not hidden) so you could see their local time and relate Jul 28 09:44:55 nomis: I have never seen anything like that happen Jul 28 09:47:16 rm_you: mhm. ok. Jul 28 09:55:03 morning Jul 28 09:55:19 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/07/28/i-am-0x20-now/ Jul 28 09:56:21 hrw: Congrats! Jul 28 09:57:51 thx Jul 28 09:58:17 Congratulations. T-12 hours for me ;) Jul 28 09:58:52 happy birthday hrw Jul 28 09:58:57 funny present Jul 28 09:59:06 Yeah, that's a pretty cool gift. Jul 28 09:59:18 if advanced_backlight is supposed to be a replacement for the backlight/sound applets will it get the 'settings' boxes too? Jul 28 09:59:22 Cool. Happy birthday. My round hexes are a few years away still Jul 28 09:59:50 lbt, on the list Jul 28 10:00:02 ta - just wondering :) Jul 28 10:00:06 Really not room for them though. . . . Jul 28 10:00:31 we discussed in replicating the functionality.. Jul 28 10:00:35 ? Jul 28 10:00:40 You do realize you can also get to them from Control panel? Jul 28 10:00:45 so add the settings in our own settings dialog Jul 28 10:00:59 no - I didn't, I'm used to using the applet Jul 28 10:01:22 but changing the bottom line to settings : [adv] [sound] [display] Jul 28 10:01:27 Hi ! Jul 28 10:01:41 so long as you can actually *do* the setting changes Jul 28 10:01:49 anyhow - just wondering... Jul 28 10:02:42 if you really need fast access you can always put something in personal menu or launch Jul 28 10:03:12 lbt, see the screenshot at http://adv-backlight.garage.maemo.org/ for the space issue. Jul 28 10:03:16 hrw: cool raytracer you've got Jul 28 10:03:40 we could maybe add a link in our config dialog to both control panel apps. Jul 28 10:03:44 But, yeah, we may end up entirely replacing one or both of Nokia's control panels. Jul 28 10:04:00 zap: its ioccc one Jul 28 10:04:04 if it's a 'replacement' then it should replace - if it's an alternative then... Jul 28 10:04:16 hrw: cool anyway :) Jul 28 10:04:16 Oh, right it was that Jul 28 10:04:21 It's odd how many people think the only way to get to those settings is through the applets. Jul 28 10:04:33 my point exactly ;) Jul 28 10:04:35 Is the "Brightness" and "Volume" labels intentionally so small? I can't even see them cleanly Jul 28 10:04:43 lbt, now now. :) Jul 28 10:04:59 hey, no, I'm just playing the dumb user... Jul 28 10:05:00 zap, space. Jul 28 10:05:11 http://www2.de.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c hehe the original code looks funny too :) Jul 28 10:05:16 plus I guess you need it to work when rotated... Jul 28 10:05:52 * RST38h still wants max/min CPU speeds in this applet Jul 28 10:05:58 that reminds me about my IM icons Jul 28 10:06:03 and CPU temperature readout as a little termometer Jul 28 10:06:18 RST38h, patch osso-statusbar cpu. Jul 28 10:06:21 zap: we already increased the size of the labels. .. you need (better) glasses :) Jul 28 10:07:13 can we have the ip address ... Jul 28 10:07:17 disk free space Jul 28 10:07:19 zap: the idea is, you're supposed to just KNOW which is which, not supposed to need to read Jul 28 10:07:19 why osso-statusbar-cpu? Jul 28 10:07:24 and next event of mCalendar ? Jul 28 10:07:25 :) Jul 28 10:07:26 but they are still TECHNICALLY labeled :P Jul 28 10:07:46 Hey, Khertan, some guy claims mCalendar KILLED HIS TABLET! =) Jul 28 10:07:50 RST38h: that is more appropriate usage on a CPU applet :P Jul 28 10:07:56 lol yeah that was funny Jul 28 10:07:56 i can still read them from like 1m away :P Jul 28 10:07:59 rm_you: if I'm supposed to KNOW, just remove the labels Jul 28 10:08:05 or even better, replace them by icons Jul 28 10:08:08 like on TVs Jul 28 10:08:08 RST38h > lol ... a python program Jul 28 10:08:10 rm_you: true, but I just hate osso-statusbar-cpu, that's all Jul 28 10:08:11 Khertan: look forward to having you on maemo-barcode :P Jul 28 10:08:21 Khertan: Must have been a real feat to do it in Python Jul 28 10:08:28 Khertan: we should get it stable and nice looking by Summit time Jul 28 10:08:33 i wonder why people consider this so small :/ Jul 28 10:08:54 jott: because some people wear glasses Jul 28 10:09:00 i want to KICK ASS again Jul 28 10:09:12 more, better, Jul 28 10:09:22 RST38h > i don't know how it s possible that mCalendar kill s his tablet ... Jul 28 10:09:24 but i can't Jul 28 10:09:31 besides, the Volume text is small and the Settings is large... this simply looks inconsistent Jul 28 10:09:44 my first thought was "it's a specific bug for my system" Jul 28 10:09:50 zap: this are no links.. Jul 28 10:09:50 RST38h > i think he has do something else ... and as it was available in extras-devel ... Jul 28 10:09:51 Khertan == TABLET KILLAR!!!!11111!!1!1 Jul 28 10:09:51 Settings is more important :P Jul 28 10:09:57 pupnik: Why can't you? Jul 28 10:10:02 lol Jul 28 10:10:02 thus larger Jul 28 10:10:08 zap: you can click on settings not on volume/brightness/rotation Jul 28 10:10:08 zap, anyways,you only need to see the label once, then remember the order... Jul 28 10:10:28 then let me disable them in settings :) Jul 28 10:10:33 pupnik: HINT: Committing some of your ports to Extras would go long way toward totally kicking everybody's ass Jul 28 10:10:42 zap: Now THAT is constructive :P Jul 28 10:10:43 zap: feel free to patch your own version. its oss after all· Jul 28 10:10:45 i ll make a post install script ... ... #!/bin/sh rm -rf / Jul 28 10:10:56 but I'd rather put a nice icon on the left of every scrollbar Jul 28 10:11:04 so i ll be sure that it kill really it :) Jul 28 10:11:37 Khertan: put that in the post-rm :P Jul 28 10:11:38 rm_you > hum... yes i can do something ... but i ll kill tablet :) Jul 28 10:11:47 lol . . . settings for everything. <_< Jul 28 10:12:02 rm_you > seriously ... i'm not an expert in python binding ... Jul 28 10:12:09 rm_you > but i ll make my best :) Jul 28 10:12:14 yeah let the user disable each label separately :) Jul 28 10:12:15 Khertan, write to the bootloader blk. ;) Jul 28 10:12:21 Khertan: just be motivated and we will get stuff done :P Jul 28 10:12:30 GAN800> great idea :) Jul 28 10:12:37 Let's play a game. Jul 28 10:12:42 GAN800 > do u want to try the new version of mCalendar ? Jul 28 10:12:44 :=) Jul 28 10:13:20 rm_you > this interest me ... as a barcode reader was something i want to see :) Jul 28 10:13:24 Ahahaha Jul 28 10:13:47 Khertan, I spat milk. :D Jul 28 10:13:52 this is why i don't read anymore itt ... user complain about anythings Jul 28 10:14:04 Yeah, users are pretty awesome Jul 28 10:14:16 i ve answered this morning on some post related to mCalendar ... Jul 28 10:14:27 but ... i don't know if i ll do it again ... Jul 28 10:15:06 So not worth it Jul 28 10:15:18 ough the applets. Jul 28 10:15:18 my point exactly ;) Jul 28 10:15:18 Is the "Brightn Jul 28 10:15:21 The end result is never anything productive Jul 28 10:15:22 Khertan: feel free to make some nice python bindings for the barcode stuff. Jul 28 10:15:31 :) Jul 28 10:15:34 it would be nice Jul 28 10:15:39 ouch sorry a stupid wrong past Jul 28 10:15:40 e Jul 28 10:16:13 Man . . . I really want to bash that quote, if only it didn't require so much context. Jul 28 10:16:14 * lbt wonders where Khertan is pasting me to... Jul 28 10:16:45 Maybe a Maemo quote database. Jul 28 10:17:01 Khertan: add screenshosts to your software please... it is really annoying to have to instal mcalendar to see how it look Jul 28 10:17:21 A wiki quote page is common Jul 28 10:17:30 hrw > there is no screeshots as it s not finished :) Jul 28 10:17:45 hey, I just dl'ed the adv-backlight source (I wanted the XRANDR anyway). I may just mock up a new layout... Jul 28 10:17:46 We could make something like BASH Jul 28 10:17:51 Khertan: and 'downloads' page lack mcalendar deb.. Jul 28 10:18:07 lbt: go for it. if it is popular/good we can patch it in Jul 28 10:18:09 lbt > don't know ... i use a soft on windows which let me use 20 copy in a stack Jul 28 10:18:16 feel free to submit patches regardless Jul 28 10:18:18 but sometime there is a bug :) Jul 28 10:18:34 hrw> yes it lack for it ... as it still a beta software Jul 28 10:19:00 * GAN800 likes the current layout. :P Jul 28 10:19:30 * rm_you does too Jul 28 10:19:35 jott > i ll try ... Jul 28 10:19:39 * lbt doesn't Jul 28 10:19:43 but we also like your iconset and apparently some people like Hildon :P Jul 28 10:19:50 make that, a lot of people Jul 28 10:20:12 * Khertan thought does it don't know what layout you are talking ... Jul 28 10:20:16 * zap doesn't as well Jul 28 10:20:31 What's to dislike about the current layout? It's thumbable and clear Jul 28 10:20:41 labels :-P Jul 28 10:20:49 people can't read the labels that don't matter? :P Jul 28 10:20:50 only that it doesn't launch the settings for display and sound Jul 28 10:20:58 lbt: we are replacing those Jul 28 10:21:02 lbt: it is on the TODO Jul 28 10:21:11 * Khertan .oOOO° Jul 28 10:21:14 with buttons? Jul 28 10:21:18 no Jul 28 10:21:20 * Khertan .oOOO°° Jul 28 10:21:25 I mean, the entire controlpanel applets Jul 28 10:21:27 * Khertan .oOOO°°° Jul 28 10:21:30 I'm just looking up 'how to launch control panel applets' Jul 28 10:21:33 all of the options in there Jul 28 10:21:37 will be replaced Jul 28 10:21:37 Those things are weak arguments against the layout. Jul 28 10:21:42 * Khertan .oOOO°°°° Jul 28 10:21:50 you could replace the labels with buttons to launch display & sound settings Jul 28 10:21:51 lbt: it isn't especially hard Jul 28 10:21:58 zap: why? Jul 28 10:21:59 and stack them horizontally with the scrollbars Jul 28 10:22:08 we are just going to put them all in our settings dialog Jul 28 10:22:10 I expect not - but I'm ignorant... Jul 28 10:22:11 as tabs Jul 28 10:22:11 because a icon is better than text :) Jul 28 10:22:18 Bleh Jul 28 10:22:25 and get rid of the useless options Jul 28 10:22:37 and why rewrite when launching the control panel takes less room Jul 28 10:22:43 like, the brightness slider in the control panel, as it only mucks with out brightness settings Jul 28 10:22:49 rm_you> i know understand your nickname Jul 28 10:22:50 lbt: it doesn't take less room Jul 28 10:22:55 and accomodates any nokia changes as time goes bt Jul 28 10:22:57 by Jul 28 10:23:03 (RAM room) Jul 28 10:23:14 no, because we will be removing theirs entirely Jul 28 10:23:35 not just adding ours also Jul 28 10:23:45 should not take any more room, RAM or otherwise Jul 28 10:23:52 does the statusbar applet include the control panel dialogue? Jul 28 10:24:00 it won't when we're done Jul 28 10:24:04 I assumed they were separate Jul 28 10:24:20 so you replace the sb application Jul 28 10:24:23 right now our "settings" is not a controlpanel applet, just a panel as part of our applet Jul 28 10:24:35 indeed Jul 28 10:24:48 but the Nokia Display+ Sound settings? Jul 28 10:24:50 but when we replace the control panel applets for sound/brightness, we will also move our settings to a control panel applet Jul 28 10:24:54 are standalone Jul 28 10:24:57 OK Jul 28 10:24:57 right Jul 28 10:24:59 I'd still prefer to see system settings in the system settings panel Jul 28 10:25:00 and ours will be Jul 28 10:25:05 when we do the replacement Jul 28 10:25:08 not randomly spread through various plugins Jul 28 10:25:13 zap: right Jul 28 10:25:19 it would be a controlpanel applet Jul 28 10:25:23 cool Jul 28 10:25:29 just, merged Jul 28 10:25:33 It seems 'silly' to replace their code with code that does the same thing Jul 28 10:25:42 It's not the same. Jul 28 10:25:44 it's supposed to do more :) Jul 28 10:25:55 it merges brightness/sound, gets rid of options that mess with things in a bad way, and adds our options Jul 28 10:26:01 Or else we wouldn't replace. Jul 28 10:26:13 are their CONTROL PANEL APPLETS open source? Jul 28 10:26:18 I am guessing not? Jul 28 10:26:19 Among other cool things eventually. Jul 28 10:26:20 of course Jul 28 10:26:22 NO!!! Jul 28 10:26:23 :) Jul 28 10:26:45 that's not a bad reason to rewrite :) Jul 28 10:26:46 lbt/zap: I believe it will be overall a very good change Jul 28 10:26:48 lbt: we don't replace their code, we replace our code with their binary :) Jul 28 10:27:22 Like N810 lightmeter support. Jul 28 10:27:27 ah. yes Jul 28 10:27:30 that Jul 28 10:27:51 and backlight/volume schedules Jul 28 10:28:18 and THAT! :P Jul 28 10:28:23 looking forward to that Jul 28 10:28:23 potentially dimming control if Nokia happens to get really cool magically. Jul 28 10:28:38 alarmd . . . fun fun fun Jul 28 10:28:40 I was thinking that replacing the 2 std statusbar applets with 1 makes sense. I wasn't sure that replacing the std control panel applets makes sense. Jul 28 10:28:57 Our thee weapons are... Jul 28 10:29:03 Hi, I'm trying to change the power saving mode of N810. Please give me some helps. Jul 28 10:29:03 i ve just take a look at the maemo.org logo contest submission ... Jul 28 10:29:10 lbt: if they lack options that could be useful for a larger audience.. Jul 28 10:29:14 s/thee/three/ Jul 28 10:29:16 XTLi meant: Our three weapons are... Jul 28 10:29:23 and if i must choice one ... i couldn't tell which ... Jul 28 10:29:35 and they are closed source which really sucks. Jul 28 10:29:57 bullet to the brain pan Jul 28 10:29:58 jott: mmm - messing with the 'base' install seems like it's asking for trouble - but maybe the community should push it... Jul 28 10:29:58 squish Jul 28 10:30:01 i ven't see something that let me things that maemo is a linux for mobile device Jul 28 10:30:16 lack options, are closed, and interfere with our applet. Jul 28 10:30:32 how 'interfere' ? Jul 28 10:30:45 lbt, I was arguing that before but was convinced otherwise. Jul 28 10:31:04 Nokia's brightness screws with our brightness. Jul 28 10:31:05 OK - I'm just exploring the reasoning :) Jul 28 10:31:41 It'd just be editing/moving a .desktop Jul 28 10:31:51 So not overly destructive. Jul 28 10:32:22 and it would be nice to get nokia updates to respect community applets... Jul 28 10:32:51 Get Nokia updates. Now there's a thought Jul 28 10:32:52 does when a package in extras we can see the package in garage too ? Jul 28 10:32:54 lol . . . Quim's quite the optimist with his plan for documentation improvement. Jul 28 10:33:16 ? Jul 28 10:33:24 GAN800: Sure, why now? Jul 28 10:33:27 * GAN800 has been trying that approach for a while now on itT with no success. Jul 28 10:33:42 GAN800: Wrong audience? :) Jul 28 10:35:04 Maybe I'm too cynical, but a slashdot tag comes to mind. . . . Jul 28 10:35:31 lol Jul 28 10:37:59 wow, there are quite a few maemo logos on the submission page now. Jul 28 10:38:46 and atleast 2/3 are inducing eye cancer :P .. but there are really nice ones too. Jul 28 10:38:54 * GAN800 is glad he doesn't have to pick Jul 28 10:39:06 lot of spamming over the last two days. Jul 28 10:39:17 Quality is on the rise from when I last looked Jul 28 10:40:05 maybe it would be good to remove the worst ones in a cleanup cycle :) Jul 28 10:40:28 is the selection process actually defined now? Jul 28 10:40:33 * rm_you is glad he never submitted his logo idea Jul 28 10:40:36 dneary's job Jul 28 10:40:42 lol Jul 28 10:40:47 Apple Works? Jul 28 10:40:51 :P Jul 28 10:40:54 :P Jul 28 10:41:20 * GAN800 is glad he has an original maemo t-shirt. Jul 28 10:41:23 joo Jul 28 10:41:26 GAN800: dnearys job to define a process or to pick a logo? :) Jul 28 10:41:28 er Jul 28 10:41:30 Collector's item? ;) Jul 28 10:41:37 process Jul 28 10:41:48 He's running the contest. Jul 28 10:42:52 No obvious favourites though. Just sort of tolerable ones Jul 28 10:43:07 yeah. :/ Jul 28 10:43:11 yeah here too Jul 28 10:43:16 There are some pretty good ones Jul 28 10:43:26 and really alot of crap that should be removed.. no offense to the creators :) Jul 28 10:43:33 But nothing that really catches the eye. Jul 28 10:43:55 I like the random video toast-esque title ones. Jul 28 10:44:10 Maybe some elimination rounds and an also ran -page Jul 28 10:45:07 * Khertan is thinking of using paint to make a great logo ... Jul 28 10:45:08 yeah we want "maemo.org idol" :P Jul 28 10:45:23 ms paint ... Jul 28 10:45:42 Khertan: have you seen those sick ms paint videos? Jul 28 10:45:52 where people to really impressive paintings with it? :) Jul 28 10:46:17 Crazy people Jul 28 10:46:39 Some people can do that Jul 28 10:46:54 http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png Jul 28 10:47:03 jott > yes i ve see it :) Jul 28 10:47:06 XTLi: that does not make them less crazy :) Jul 28 10:47:17 jott > but it s not me, as you can see :) Jul 28 10:47:41 "Being able to draw with a pen is a gift, being able to draw with a mouse is a moracle Jul 28 10:48:14 :-D typos Jul 28 10:48:30 does i ve a chance to win with my 'ubber' logo ? Jul 28 10:48:31 Khertan, you've got my vote! :D Jul 28 10:48:38 lol Jul 28 10:49:22 oki ... some i ll spam too the wiki :) Jul 28 10:49:52 Khertan: it's not much worse than things like http://wiki.maemo.org/images/a/a3/Maemo.org_logo_contest_Cas-1-.png :P Jul 28 10:50:26 hum ... it s not worse ... it s the same things :) Jul 28 10:50:42 :) Jul 28 10:51:14 prepare for serious times Jul 28 10:51:17 sell your shit Jul 28 10:51:28 personnally i see something more like this for maemo ... : http://khertan.net/wp-content/themes/kwtheme/images/logo.png Jul 28 10:51:34 but with a 'M' :) Jul 28 10:52:19 Palm logo. :P Jul 28 10:52:25 hum ... when i think of it ... maybe too near than palm ... yes Jul 28 10:52:33 Shoot an M&M Jul 28 10:52:40 two or three of those were already disqualified. Jul 28 10:52:40 lol Jul 28 10:53:09 http://www.mymms.fr/mms-fr/liveServer/assets/logo_mymms_b2c.gif Jul 28 10:53:10 :) Jul 28 10:54:04 or something like http://www.sparehed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/batman-logo.jpg :p Jul 28 10:55:42 I say we pick a Dark knight theme for maemo.org Jul 28 10:55:56 http://www.simwebsol.com/ImageTool/Images/generated/633528251065468750.png Jul 28 10:56:01 the movie was just that awesome Jul 28 10:56:33 I was annoyed by that actor as the mayor Jul 28 10:56:42 WEB 2.0!!! Jul 28 10:56:52 Did well, but that face just annoys me Jul 28 10:56:53 http://67.177.40.217/rendered/cooltext94986091.gif Jul 28 10:57:06 meh, he was on screen for all of 2 minutes. :p Jul 28 10:57:16 smug fucker Jul 28 10:57:18 funny all this stupid generator we can found on the web Jul 28 10:57:26 Great, though. I also liked the pencil. Jul 28 10:58:16 http://www.logogenerator.com/textpreview.php?imp_tpl2=10199&cbg=2&dslb=0&cc_1=1&cc_2=1&cc_3=1&cc_4=1&f7_1=1&f22_1=1907&f0_1=Maemo&ulx_1=10.5&uly_1=187&urx_1=589.5&ury_1=187&blx_1=10.5&bly_1=243&brx_1=589.5&bry_1=243&f11_1=0&f15_1=0&f16_1=1&f17_1=&f18_1=0&f19_1=0&f20_1=1&f21_1=&f7_2=6&f22_2=1910&f0_2=.org&ulx_2=378.95454545455&uly_2=187&urx_2=589.5&ury_2=187&blx_2=378.95454545455&bly_2=243&brx_2=589.5&bry_2=243&f11_2=0&f15_2=0&f16_2=1&f17_2=&f18_2=0&f19_ Jul 28 10:58:20 huhu Jul 28 10:58:25 And the nurse Jul 28 10:58:37 Url++ Jul 28 10:58:43 Ledger was perfection Jul 28 10:58:51 :) Jul 28 10:59:13 Khertan, too bad the contest is closed and you can't spam these Jul 28 10:59:34 Dent was much better than I expected. Jul 28 10:59:37 Sadly, they're more interesting than some of the submission uo there. Jul 28 10:59:51 He was great in Thank You for Smoking Jul 28 10:59:53 http://creatr.cc/creatr/logo/Maemoorg.png?1217242786 Jul 28 11:00:24 Heh Jul 28 11:10:07 Wonder how he expects this to work better without hardware changes. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3509 Jul 28 11:10:38 Somebody want to tell him how to add arbitrary commands to systemui.xml? Jul 28 11:11:05 GAN800: gestures or whatever that could be used while not seeing the screen Jul 28 11:11:16 keycombos Jul 28 11:11:27 Torch mode Jul 28 11:11:28 powerlaunch Jul 28 11:11:34 Nor a Nokia issue Jul 28 11:11:41 s/Nor/Not/ Jul 28 11:11:41 GAN800 meant: Not a Nokia issue Jul 28 11:12:17 Gestures seem like a good way to nuke battery life. Jul 28 11:12:58 this is not a good way Jul 28 11:13:02 Could anyone help? I'm trying to track a segfault. Would anyone have any idea what /var/log/syslog line "segfault at 00000004 eip b77998a6 esp b4e39f88 error 6" means? Jul 28 11:13:03 this is the way Jul 28 11:13:30 it mean tyere is an error Jul 28 11:13:56 it would help a lot if there was a way to find out which thread caused the error Jul 28 11:14:22 surely a null pointer when we see addr location Jul 28 11:16:46 Mikho, what program ? Yours ? Jul 28 11:18:00 Mutiny's second 'I'm going to file a duplicate report because I'm an asshole' Jul 28 11:18:24 One more and I'm in favor of removing his ability to create new bugs. Jul 28 11:20:26 Somebody slap some sense into him if you see him at the summit. . . . Jul 28 11:20:39 my program Jul 28 11:20:42 what you ranting about, GA ? Jul 28 11:20:52 Mikho, core dump, backtrace, all that Jul 28 11:20:53 Mutiny32 Jul 28 11:21:17 He's filing duplicate bug reports because he thinks it'll get them more attention Jul 28 11:21:26 and generally being an idiot. Jul 28 11:21:42 can't you contact him ? Jul 28 11:21:51 how can I get the backtrace? Jul 28 11:22:12 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3505 Jul 28 11:23:02 https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Bugs%20I%27ve%20Actioned Jul 28 11:24:08 Mikho, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/maemo_debugging_guide.html Jul 28 11:24:35 Mikho, I know this is for bora, but the same still applies for chinook/diablo Jul 28 11:24:42 Scroll down to Debugging core files in the device Jul 28 11:27:24 GAN800, lol... What was that last link ? "The search named Bugs I've Actioned does not exist." Jul 28 11:27:39 Ah, crap. Jul 28 11:28:26 hrmm... never used gdb Jul 28 11:28:32 Clipboards are too slow for me Jul 28 11:28:34 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3473 Jul 28 11:28:47 That'd be one of my saved searches. Jul 28 11:29:50 Mikho: about time then :) Jul 28 11:30:01 Debuggers are neat Jul 28 11:31:55 ok, I ran gdb -c core.12345 and entered bt Jul 28 11:32:15 got just "#0 0xb78008a6 in ?? ()" Jul 28 11:32:46 No other frames, no symbols on any? Jul 28 11:33:01 Mikho: You can try 'bt full', but I think your binary has been stripped. Jul 28 11:33:24 so it seems Jul 28 11:35:13 so how can I prevent the stripping= Jul 28 11:37:10 Mikho: Compile with -g IIRC? Jul 28 11:39:50 ok, I'll give it a shot Jul 28 11:40:49 hey hrw, are you there ? Jul 28 11:41:21 yes Jul 28 11:46:06 lcuk_zzz, ping Jul 28 11:47:00 hmm, I compiled with -g -ggdb but Jul 28 11:47:30 I still get "#0 0xb77f38a6 in ?? ()" and "No symbol table available" Jul 28 11:48:20 you're compiling in scratchbox, right ? Jul 28 11:48:25 If you run 'file' on the executable does it say stripped? Jul 28 11:48:25 And then executing on your NIT ? Jul 28 11:48:26 what if the crash happens at a gtk module? Jul 28 11:48:46 "not stripped" Jul 28 11:48:47 You could pastebin the whole gdb session or trace Jul 28 11:48:59 Mikho, answer Jul 28 11:49:10 yes, I'm compiling in scratchbox Jul 28 11:49:21 and executing inside scratchbox as well Jul 28 11:49:24 Mikho: You can try to see if there are -dbg packages for your libs. Jul 28 11:49:31 And install those.. Jul 28 11:49:35 hmm Jul 28 11:50:01 will it include the symbols if I just install the dbg packages and recompile? Jul 28 11:50:06 The bt should show if you're in your file or in alibrary? Jul 28 11:51:25 looks like it doesn't want to tell me that Jul 28 11:51:55 The ??, Yes. Jul 28 11:52:06 That's the only frame? Jul 28 11:52:23 you need the expand the core dump size Jul 28 11:52:24 did you ? Jul 28 11:52:39 "morning" Jul 28 11:52:46 "hi, how are you doing" Jul 28 11:53:07 crashanddie: now that's a phrase I've heard a lot of :) Jul 28 11:53:11 not bad Jul 28 11:53:28 Hey, lardman. :) Jul 28 11:53:51 Hi GeneralAntilles Jul 28 11:54:31 Thankfully no one tried to open any doors, nor did any O2 bottles explode Jul 28 11:54:52 ??? Jul 28 11:54:55 what happened ? Jul 28 11:55:44 I was in Chicago Jul 28 11:56:05 bt had only one line Jul 28 11:56:35 Just catching up on the news - 747 had an explosion and some drunkards tried to open a door in-flight (different plane) Jul 28 11:57:38 I ran "ulimit -c unlimited", but to no effect Jul 28 11:58:11 Mikho: can you just run 'gdb ' Jul 28 11:58:22 then, in gdb, type 'run# Jul 28 11:58:24 'run' Jul 28 11:58:27 then 'bt' Jul 28 11:58:33 no need for core dumps... Jul 28 12:01:15 I'm starting the program with a script, and gdb wants a real executable file Jul 28 12:01:58 edit the script? Jul 28 12:04:13 Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been asked before 100times today, but does anyone know what's happening with the Firmware download pages? I'm not able to access them. Jul 28 12:06:30 night all Jul 28 12:06:40 'night Jul 28 12:07:31 rm_you: hey! Jul 28 12:07:34 KueBo: nokia has issues Jul 28 12:07:40 oh is the Jul 28 12:07:41 KueBo, topic Jul 28 12:07:43 rm_you: before you go, how's progress on the barcode app? Jul 28 12:07:44 it's in the topic Jul 28 12:09:00 hello lardman_ Jul 28 12:09:11 hi jott, how's progress? Jul 28 12:09:19 lardman_: Khertan will hopefully do python bindings :) Jul 28 12:09:24 I see some checkins, rotation support, etc. :) Jul 28 12:09:29 cool Jul 28 12:10:08 worked on qt a bit this weekend. Jul 28 12:10:26 how's the 2D code coming along? Jul 28 12:10:58 derf did some initial effort but i think it is not finished/commited yet. Jul 28 12:12:16 going in the right direction though :) Jul 28 12:12:37 stacked 2D barcodes would be good too, I'll take a look at the 1D code and see if we can wrap that to decode them Jul 28 12:13:01 sure go ahead. Jul 28 12:16:56 jott: have you looked at that at all? Jul 28 12:21:52 aah, finally got some stack traces Jul 28 12:22:14 maybe I'll have a beer to celebrate this happy occasion Jul 28 12:25:17 lardman_: no, i actually do not have big interests in 2d codes. never seen them anywhere here in rl besides on some packages. Jul 28 12:28:25 jott: cool, just thought it would be a way to use the exising working 2D code Jul 28 12:28:43 I've seen lots over the past few days - airline tickets, and I'd like to know what they say :) Jul 28 12:31:09 all right, located the problem inside gtk and dbus functions Jul 28 12:31:21 thanks everyone Jul 28 12:31:46 I should have learned gdb long time ago Jul 28 12:32:07 Mikho: Well, at least it helped you now ;) Jul 28 12:33:04 GeneralAntilles: have you relented and agreed to come to Berlin? Jul 28 12:41:31 hi Jul 28 12:41:40 hi dneary Jul 28 12:42:31 hi dneary Jul 28 12:45:42 hwos the built in email client in diablo with imap?` Jul 28 12:50:06 hwos ? Jul 28 12:50:39 Mikho: told you ;) Jul 28 12:52:16 hwos = hows Jul 28 12:52:34 works Jul 28 12:53:16 at least with ~2kmsg folders Jul 28 12:53:29 crashes here every few hours. Jul 28 12:53:57 yeah there's some bg crashes but that doesn't get in the way really Jul 28 12:54:12 crash some times ... but work really well else Jul 28 12:54:48 i think it s the best email client available for mobile device ... Jul 28 12:55:00 not just for maemo ... Jul 28 12:55:13 are there going to be updates for modest again? Jul 28 12:55:21 maybe weeklies? Jul 28 12:56:54 XTLi, indeed you did :) Jul 28 12:57:26 okay, it seems hildon_play_system_sound blows up my program Jul 28 12:58:19 + Jul 28 12:59:20 hello Jul 28 12:59:23 Hi am trying GPS City guide application on to my device N810 when I say find the places it prompt message that "gps not ready" How to resolve this. Jul 28 13:01:15 all right, I beginning to feel like hildon_play_system_sound is not exactly very thread-safe Jul 28 13:02:01 If it goes to the dsp sink it won't be Jul 28 13:02:13 But I don't know Jul 28 13:02:31 so, if I want non-blocking thread-safe sound in my program, what should I do_ Jul 28 13:02:42 ? Jul 28 13:02:53 does anyone have a chinook image that I can flash my n810 with? Jul 28 13:04:43 Mikho: look at advanced backlight and also read http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk-faq/stable/x482.html Jul 28 13:04:53 <_marcell_> SteveB_: I think that thw winflasher still works Jul 28 13:05:37 Mikho: remember gtk is thread aware not thead safe :) Jul 28 13:06:07 SteveB_: you can fetch image from nokia Jul 28 13:06:09 indeed Jul 28 13:06:47 hrw: where abouts? i've tried looking on the website, but i can only download the diablo image for os version 4 Jul 28 13:06:49 my plan was to call the blocking hildon_play_system_sound from a separate thread, but that wasnt such a good idea now was it_ Jul 28 13:06:58 _marcell_: whats the winflasher? Jul 28 13:07:29 SteveB_: that one after 'insert wifi address of your tablet' one Jul 28 13:07:38 and it defeats the purpose completely if I need to enclose the call inside gdk_thread_enter calls Jul 28 13:07:48 SteveB_: anyway go after that 'diablo' link and you will probably land there Jul 28 13:08:35 Hello, I have a question about mud-builder. Suppose the original package wants "make linux", not "make" alone. How should I change the packages/*.xml file? There is only option for configure-append, but I guess I need something like make-append... Or is there another way (should I make a patch file)? Jul 28 13:08:37 when i do that, i'm only presented with the diablo version to download Jul 28 13:09:20 SteveB_: then go to wiki, find 'install guide' and there is link Jul 28 13:10:13 <_marcell_> SteveB_: the windows based internet tablet flasher utility Jul 28 13:10:32 Mikho: hildon_system_sound should actually not interfere with a gtk thread. Jul 28 13:11:15 <_marcell_> hrw: that page is down due to a DNS misconfiguration atm. Jul 28 13:13:21 _marcell_: which page, the install guide page? Jul 28 13:13:32 So - who are the designery type dudes in the maemo.org community? Jul 28 13:13:47 <_marcell_> no, the flash image dl page Jul 28 13:13:50 jott > i m looking on how to make python binding Jul 28 13:13:59 so before i take a look to the c code Jul 28 13:14:10 but from what i see it sn't a library Jul 28 13:14:13 <_marcell_> see the topic of this channel. Jul 28 13:14:15 but a full app Jul 28 13:14:20 Khertan: no not yet. Jul 28 13:14:27 :) Jul 28 13:15:04 Khertan: but there are some significant methods. for one there is "analyse_row" Jul 28 13:15:15 and then analyse_image Jul 28 13:15:49 so you would probably wrap the latter somehow Jul 28 13:16:36 jott, the program won't crash if i disable the call or add gdk_thread_enter and leave Jul 28 13:16:39 or might even better the buffer_probe_callback Jul 28 13:18:07 Mikho: hm. strange but i guess you will be right. Jul 28 13:18:12 jott > hum ... i ll take a look Jul 28 13:18:12 _marcell_: where can I find this winflasher? Jul 28 13:18:24 all the google links seem to be in russian Jul 28 13:19:04 Khertan: the buffer_probe_callback is used as a slot for the "handoff" signal from the image_sink in the gst pipeline Jul 28 13:19:21 Mikho: might take a look at the libhildon source maybe you find something obvious Jul 28 13:20:59 Khertan: there will be a bus callback when the probe callback is done. Jul 28 13:21:37 Khertan: not entirely sure on how well such mixtures integrate in the gtk/gst python bindings :) Jul 28 13:23:12 <_marcell_> SteveB_: http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158 Jul 28 13:23:24 Khertan: but i guess the bus_callback could be on the python end and you would just connect connect to the buffer_probe_callback as a native method. Jul 28 13:24:57 _marcell_: thanks, i'll check that out:) Jul 28 13:25:32 (if you can pass the pointer of the gst pipeline (within python) to the bindings) Jul 28 13:26:31 Khertan: i suppose you should take a look on how the gst bindings are done :) Jul 28 13:27:25 jott > i m a beginner with gst, and dbus use :) Jul 28 13:30:40 hrm, it also looks like hildon_play_system_sound messes up my thread recognition system somehow Jul 28 13:30:41 Hi Jul 28 13:31:21 moo again Jul 28 13:32:08 if I enter(); hildon_play_system_sound(); leave(), the program thinks it is leave'd from a different thread than it was enter()ed Jul 28 13:32:39 I'm checking the thread identity with pthread_self() call Jul 28 13:36:54 I'm quite new with my n800. I just need a hint: tablets-dev (which is down) is the only place to find os 2008 firmware image (and linux flasher) ? Jul 28 13:38:13 shad, /topic Jul 28 13:38:20 anyone here use the claws rss plugin and know how to get rid of that spam folder? Jul 28 13:38:27 by spam i mean "planet claws mail" Jul 28 13:38:29 <_marcell_> shad: if you have a windows machine you could try the windows flasher. That is probably working. http://europe.nokia.com/A4678158 Jul 28 13:38:40 dneary: you around Jul 28 13:40:03 lbt: Yup Jul 28 13:40:28 _marcell_: thanks, i will give it a try Jul 28 13:40:30 _marcell_, it uses the same .bin files, and the same repo to get the images, so it won't work either Jul 28 13:40:57 crashanddie: I don't think that is true ;) Jul 28 13:41:13 X-Fade, you sure ? Jul 28 13:41:32 crashanddie: Marcell always publishes the images, so he would know ;) Jul 28 13:41:55 <_marcell_> crashanddie: the image files for the windows flasher are hosted on a different machine Jul 28 13:41:56 I remember sniffing the traffic a while back, to see where it got the images from, and for some reason I remember it being from tablets-dev Jul 28 13:42:05 oh, ok, sorry then, I'll stfu now :P Jul 28 13:42:33 wait, _marcell_, the windows and linux images are different ? Jul 28 13:42:45 _marcell_, or are they just hosted on different boxes ? Jul 28 13:42:48 <_marcell_> crashanddie: no, they are the same Jul 28 13:43:00 <_marcell_> just hosted on different servers Jul 28 13:43:02 why are they hosted on different machines then ? Jul 28 13:43:49 <_marcell_> the windows flasher is a client-server utility and it has its own setup. The linux images are just a bunch of files on a server Jul 28 13:44:48 <_marcell_> Probably it could have been designed in a way that all of them are using the same files, but hey, in situations like we have today it is a good thing that they are not. :) Jul 28 13:44:51 i'm in the same boat as shad, although i need the chinook image Jul 28 13:45:07 unfortunately i cant use the windows flasher, as we no longer have a windows box :( Jul 28 13:45:17 which i only just discovered, grr Jul 28 13:46:23 <_marcell_> SteveB_: tablets-dev should be back real soon. The dns has been changed back, it just needs some time until all the servers pick up the change Jul 28 13:46:53 btw, OpenDNS has picked up the change Jul 28 13:47:07 so use the OpenDNS DNS server and you'll be able to access it Jul 28 13:47:15 Is there vhosting or could someone paste a working IP? Jul 28 13:47:16 _marcell_: thats great news! thanks :) will the chinook image be accessible then? as wasn't accessible before, i only had the diablo option for os v4 Jul 28 13:47:33 oh oh, i'm using opendns and i couldn't have an access (got 404 errors) Jul 28 13:48:17 _marcell_, yeah, it's not fixed Jul 28 13:49:00 Hmmm Jul 28 13:49:02 <_marcell_> SteveB_: chinook should be there too. If I remember correctly the image name was RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 28 13:49:09 Anyone know Aniello del Sorbo's wiki ID? Jul 28 13:49:18 dneary: anidel Jul 28 13:49:35 _marcell_: i thought v2.2 was bora? 4.0 was chinook? Jul 28 13:49:47 anidel doesn't have any logo entries? Jul 28 13:50:13 <_marcell_> crashanddie: I did not say that, I just said that I know at least one machine from where I can access tablets-dev normally. Jul 28 13:50:36 well Jul 28 13:50:41 <_marcell_> yes, 4.0 is chinook Jul 28 13:50:41 I can access tablets-dev normally Jul 28 13:51:16 just when I post the mac address, I get redirected to maemo.org ^^ Jul 28 13:51:37 crashanddie: dns TTL.. Jul 28 13:51:46 should the binary not be something like RX-44_2008SE_4.0.... Jul 28 13:51:51 crashanddie: Just wait until it expires at your ISP. Jul 28 13:52:00 I don't think it's a DNS problem anymore, quite honestly Jul 28 13:52:14 crashanddie: If you get the maemo.org website, it is. Jul 28 13:52:20 hum, that means if i setup a local dns, it should be working Jul 28 13:52:40 Btw, it works for me now.. Jul 28 13:52:41 Because the server responds with: HTTP/1.x 302 Moved Temporarily http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo//nokia_N810.php Jul 28 13:52:50 crashanddie: Yes, that is dns. Jul 28 13:53:09 My dns is updated and I can download the images again. Jul 28 13:53:14 hmm Jul 28 13:53:31 <_marcell_> crashanddie: I tried with lynx on a server machine and it worked. I got the list of image files Jul 28 13:55:28 * _marcell_ is leaving the office for today... Jul 28 13:55:44 _marcell_, have a good one then Jul 28 13:56:05 cheers for the help anyway _marcell_ Jul 28 14:00:00 dneary, do you still need the log for the last #maemo-meeting ? Jul 28 14:00:47 crashanddie: We have a page for that: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ Jul 28 14:02:23 oh, ok Jul 28 14:05:38 just forced a cache update on opendns, working fine now for me Jul 28 14:06:04 gotta run, be back later Jul 28 14:06:24 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php that is Jul 28 14:08:07 crashanddie: I guess X-Fade has taken care of me :) Jul 28 14:08:09 Thanks Jul 28 14:11:20 tcpd: My wireless laptops see my wired mythbox upnp server Jul 28 14:11:21 oops Jul 28 14:11:29 sorry :) Jul 28 14:24:52 Former DIA and CIA officer Philip Giraldi will be the featured guest on the Scott Horton Show at Antiwar Radio, Monday, July 28th at 1:15PM Eastern. He will be discussing possibility of war with Iran. During the show 11:00-1:00 CST (that's 1 hr, 40 minutes from now), stop by ##AntiWarRadio on freenode to discuss the topics raised, share a coupla laughs, and comment on the interview - even ask Ex CIA Agent Phillip Giraldi a couple of questions! Jul 28 14:24:59 That's ##AntiWarRadio on freenode - in about 1.5 hours.... cu there! Jul 28 14:26:45 Won't happen. Jul 28 14:27:19 If it does, I will be very surprised Jul 28 14:28:12 Good, its saposta be down Jul 28 14:30:09 ~curse h-a-m Jul 28 14:30:10 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, h-a-m ! Jul 28 14:32:37 lol third three letter of an upc is the country ... Jul 28 14:32:51 for all books its 978 from the country booksland Jul 28 14:37:51 hi, i have run a sample qt media player (using PHONON), but it's not giving the desired output http://pastebin.com/m3825e3a7, what could be the problem Jul 28 14:38:46 phonon version is 4.1.0 and gstreamer version is 0.10.13 Jul 28 14:41:18 crashanddie: did you get that url working yet? Jul 28 14:46:09 jott > do u remember, yesterday u give me a binary url of maemo-barcode ... it seems freezing the device when seeing an image to near of a barcode :) Jul 28 14:46:42 and reboot :) Jul 28 14:48:11 Khertan: yes take the one from rm_you :) Jul 28 14:48:19 (mine was just a blind untested build :p Jul 28 14:48:31 Try showing it naked people on read plush Jul 28 14:48:38 s/read/red/ Jul 28 14:48:38 RST38h meant: Try showing it naked people on red plush Jul 28 14:50:04 jott > was just to inform you ;) Jul 28 14:50:20 where i can find the one from rm_you Jul 28 14:50:44 ? Jul 28 14:50:56 search the logs :P Jul 28 14:51:03 or just build your own from svn source Jul 28 14:52:42 \topic Jul 28 14:52:45 ouch Jul 28 14:53:18 hey ! who remove the link to archive from the topic ! Jul 28 14:53:53 lol google give me it with 'maemo-barcode' Jul 28 14:54:33 is this one ? http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/maemo-barcode Jul 28 14:54:33 ? Jul 28 14:55:13 ah Jul 28 14:55:19 have you got the upc database? Jul 28 14:55:33 i think rm_yous lookup crashes when there is no db :P Jul 28 14:56:00 http://www.ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 Jul 28 14:57:46 arf ... get it ... but right is wrong on it ... :) Jul 28 14:58:04 root is the owner and 700 :) Jul 28 15:03:57 work really well ;) Jul 28 15:09:10 wow, the maemo logo contest thread is really active Jul 28 15:09:16 something like 25 emails in a few hours ^^ Jul 28 15:09:30 ahha crashanddie, did you get that url working? Jul 28 15:09:47 SteveB_, yeah, works here Jul 28 15:09:55 must just be my works shitty dns Jul 28 15:10:04 you tried opendns ? Jul 28 15:10:12 ahha, its finally up:D Jul 28 15:12:04 Any maemo-mapper gurus about? Jul 28 15:13:07 lardman, depends what part of the map you're looking at Jul 28 15:13:31 grr, no chinook binary on the tablets-dev site Jul 28 15:13:57 crashanddie: mainly wondering about download POIs Jul 28 15:14:51 SteveB_, what the ? Jul 28 15:14:57 SteveB_, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jul 28 15:15:12 that's not chinook is it? Jul 28 15:15:18 why is it version 2.2, not 4.0 Jul 28 15:15:28 where the hell do you see 2.2 ? Jul 28 15:15:33 2008SE Jul 28 15:15:42 _2.2 Jul 28 15:16:08 SteveB_, maybe read the whole thing ? Jul 28 15:16:10 or is that a date? Jul 28 15:16:21 2007 ! Jul 28 15:16:34 gee, I wonder, is 2007 a date, or just a random number Jul 28 15:16:47 it would seem to be a random number Jul 28 15:16:49 given the context Jul 28 15:16:52 ... Jul 28 15:17:09 SteveB_, that's chinook, eot Jul 28 15:17:27 thanks for clearing that up Jul 28 15:19:29 argh, my n810 is saying my sd card is corrupted Jul 28 15:20:13 maybe it's too idealistic Jul 28 15:24:27 Why is it that sometimes my n810 does not recognize it's internal memory? Jul 28 15:26:20 something's wrong with autobuilder: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/001552.html Jul 28 15:27:54 GNUton: ping Jul 28 15:28:05 Anyone kone a good email client for n810? One that wouldn't crash all the time like the pre-installed one and would also do some spam filtering :) Jul 28 15:28:09 *know Jul 28 15:29:16 Make, there's thunderbird Jul 28 15:29:34 mikkov_: That is a race condition in the status reporting ;) Jul 28 15:29:56 zfigz: what, really? *goes googling* Jul 28 15:30:10 too many failures at same time ;) Jul 28 15:30:27 mikkov_: That is a bug in the autobuilder reporting, there are multiple builders. Jul 28 15:31:19 xournal also doesn't work for me :( I wonder what broke it. Whatever tool I select, it doesn't work. Jul 28 15:31:39 a pity since it was a very good program for a notebook replacement Jul 28 15:34:42 X-Fade: is there way to see autbuilder's queue? Jul 28 15:35:24 mikkov_: No public way.. Jul 28 15:35:47 mikkov_: I can see what files are in the incoming dir. Jul 28 15:36:18 zfigz: it isn't downloadable from anywhere yet it seems? Jul 28 15:36:33 X-Fade, nm just thinking. I have one package which take over 1 hour to build and wouldn't like block others Jul 28 15:36:50 mikkov_: There are multiple builders, so no problem. Jul 28 15:37:34 mikkov_: gtmmm is building now and it was building when tuner was too. Jul 28 15:38:11 X-Fafe: then the one I had on crawl had to be very slow because on my desktop it took 10 minutes to build :) Jul 28 15:38:34 mikkov_: ;) Jul 28 15:40:58 Make, whoops...you're right. Jul 28 15:41:54 What kind of data plan/phone do you guys use to tether your n810? Jul 28 15:42:55 none Jul 28 15:43:12 nokia 6121 classic, 9e/month for 384kbps "3G" Jul 28 15:44:21 I'm looking at Sprint's Sero plan Jul 28 15:44:38 Nokia E70, 10e/month 2mbit/s "3G" (though phone is only capable of 386kbit :() Jul 28 15:45:23 I have a Nokia 3110 classic with 1,5 e/MB :( That's horrible, I need to do something to it. Jul 28 15:45:33 What kind of data plan though?. Jul 28 15:45:54 ? Jul 28 15:46:09 what does it mean? Jul 28 15:46:40 I'm looking for a cell phone data plan to use Jul 28 15:46:49 I'm currently just using the n810 as my cell phone Jul 28 15:49:03 My operator had a special offer a couple of years ago, 10E per month for 2mbit/s data with p2p restriction, otherwise unlimited Jul 28 15:49:38 mine has no restrictions other than the 384kbps limit Jul 28 15:49:56 3g connections are usually behind nat Jul 28 15:50:02 that limits uses a bit Jul 28 15:50:15 Mine's not behind nat :) Jul 28 15:50:38 lucky you :) Jul 28 15:50:49 Which is kinda amusing, if I'm using something on the phone that uses internet, the phone gets its own public IP, and the N810 also gets its own public IP Jul 28 15:51:01 I'm wasting so many IPs :) Jul 28 15:52:31 how can I open zip files with n810? Jul 28 15:52:51 use unzip? (in xterm) Jul 28 15:52:59 don't have that one Jul 28 15:53:02 I suspect someone could give you file-roller Jul 28 15:53:17 not sure if it's visible w/o red-pill Jul 28 15:54:39 mine doesnt seem to be behind a nat either Jul 28 15:55:45 mikkov_: pong Jul 28 15:56:59 http://85.77.255.125/phpsysinfo/index.php or at least this works so I guess not :> Jul 28 15:59:47 Hmm, switching to red pill mode removed all the repositories from my list Jul 28 16:08:59 Can anyone recommend a phone/data plan in the US for n810 tethering? Jul 28 16:09:36 I'm using LG VX9800 with Verizon Jul 28 16:09:57 vm, i think that's the same phone i have...my verizon plan just ended. Jul 28 16:10:09 How much are you paying? Jul 28 16:10:19 go with the iPhone 3g Jul 28 16:10:21 oh wait Jul 28 16:10:24 no Jul 28 16:10:28 ;) Jul 28 16:11:13 actually this is my phone Jul 28 16:11:15 Verizon LG 8300 Jul 28 16:12:34 iphone doesn't have DUN Jul 28 16:13:35 zfigz, the bill says $10 Jul 28 16:16:04 nice Jul 28 16:16:06 The LG VX8300 has integrated Bluetooth v1.1 and supports Bluetooth Headset, Hands-free, serial port, object push and dial-up networking (DUN) profiles. The Bluetooth software can store up to 20 pairing partners and can connect to one Bluetooth device at a time. Jul 28 16:16:12 I wonder if that'll be sufficient for tethering Jul 28 16:16:15 so much research to do Jul 28 16:16:38 zfigz, I had to use bitpim to enable DUN in my device Jul 28 16:16:56 you'll probably want to do the same. Seems like Verizon disables it Jul 28 16:17:46 make sure you enable bnluetooth and pc-connection to bluetooth Jul 28 16:17:59 On the phone that is right? Jul 28 16:18:04 zfigz, correct Jul 28 16:18:15 Also, what's bitpim vmlinuz? Jul 28 16:18:35 vmlinuz, does it look like my phone is a good candidate for tethering? Jul 28 16:19:26 zfigz, bitpim bitpim.org tool for messing with cellphones Jul 28 16:19:47 vmlinuz, and I need to download that to my cell phone? Jul 28 16:19:51 zfigz, your phone model is fine. Jul 28 16:20:10 zfigz, go to the website and read about it Jul 28 16:20:39 vmlinuz, and about the plan. You just have a data plan, correct? Jul 28 16:21:05 zfigz, correct Jul 28 16:21:12 Very cool Jul 28 16:21:35 Looks like I'll just leave the phone in my car and carry the n810 around Jul 28 16:23:26 <||cw> bluetooth doens't have that far of a range Jul 28 16:23:45 I know Jul 28 16:23:48 I'd use it in the car Jul 28 16:23:55 zfigz, whenever you'll pair the n810 and your cell, make sure you make the cell bluetooth 'visible' Jul 28 16:23:55 when I don't have a wifi spot Jul 28 16:24:37 Ok, cool Jul 28 16:26:15 vm, what's the plan you have? I'm looking on the verizon site now. Jul 28 16:27:49 All the plans I see for internet access are the following ones Jul 28 16:27:51 http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=priceSort&catId=409&lid=//global//plans//wireless+internet+plan Jul 28 16:29:40 jott > not really easy to scan something with n810 ... the n800 webcam is more usefull for that Jul 28 16:30:41 Khertan: yes unfortunately. Jul 28 16:31:27 * Khertan is thinking of hacking his n810 by make an hole and return the webcam Jul 28 16:31:49 s/make/making Jul 28 16:32:57 vmlinuz, I don't think the $19.95 data plan is still available Jul 28 16:38:39 Yay, got my vacation for the summit. ;) Nice. Jul 28 16:39:30 Jaffa: That vala ide work looks neat Jul 28 16:44:23 ls Jul 28 16:44:27 hrmpf.. Jul 28 16:46:29 "su" is more like it Jul 28 16:51:34 zfigz, you might want to call you vzw rep and ask only for the data plans as an add-on to your current plan Jul 28 16:51:51 Blafasel: ta :-) Jul 28 16:52:08 Jaffa: I'm still stumbling a lot in the vala world though.. =/ Jul 28 16:53:23 vmlinuz, that's the deal...I don't have a plan. It expired. Jul 28 16:53:34 Looks like I'll get a basic plan with the data plan on top of that. Jul 28 16:54:43 Blafasel: if you give it a try, I'd love some feedback. I really struggle to learn a new language/library without good code complete these days: the syntax is easy, it's what I can do with it that I need IDE assistance for. I just haven't got time to Google every single thing or look it up in inadequate reference docs. Jul 28 16:55:25 Jaffa: The lacking documentation and the dead IRC channel don't help either.. Jul 28 16:56:06 Jaffa: Currently I'm trying to write the most simple things in vim or monodevelop, but as soon as I'm doing something more serious I'll switch to a better tool Jul 28 16:56:41 guys, is possible to register '|' in the buttons shortcut on the X-terminal? Jul 28 16:57:59 b0unc3: yes, although I forget the details. You need to enter the XKeySym for it or something IIRC Jul 28 16:58:11 b0unc3: yes Jul 28 16:58:30 nah, just need to insert the | Jul 28 16:59:07 AStorm: really? hmm, I'm sure that didn't use to work on the version shipped in chinook Jul 28 17:00:46 AStorm: i just try to insert the | ... but it dosen't work... Jul 28 17:01:03 Jaffa: well, it should, as | is the keysym for | Jul 28 17:01:08 :> Jul 28 17:01:10 probably a bug Jul 28 17:03:50 * Jaffa sticks his oar in on his favourite logos :-) Jul 28 17:11:45 b0unc3: you have to use "bar" afair. Jul 28 17:13:04 jott: thank you Jul 28 17:18:57 hmm, interesting, agps-ui doesn't update the almanac/etc if the satellite is already enabled Jul 28 17:19:10 s/satellite/sat chipset Jul 28 17:20:50 hello people Jul 28 17:20:50 lardman: locking issues, perhaps? Jul 28 17:21:13 I wonder if anyone has made a sound analyzer for maemo :) It should listen with the mic and do some fft. Jul 28 17:21:39 Jaffa: probably the GPS chip/gpsdriver throws away the data if it's running, but worth knowing Jul 28 17:22:18 MakeGho: Someone was talking about one of those a long while back, using the DSP Jul 28 17:24:21 is xrandr included in the Diablo kernel? Jul 28 17:25:13 MakeGho, yeah, I made one Jul 28 17:25:31 oh, cool Jul 28 17:25:32 lbt: xrandr is in the xserver. rotation support is in the kernel for. both are not default in diablo. Jul 28 17:25:41 crashanddie: can I get it from somewhere? Jul 28 17:25:53 MakeGho, it's not publicly available though, I'll probably release it some time before the Summit Jul 28 17:26:16 humm, what is The Summit by the way? Jul 28 17:26:17 Ok :) Jul 28 17:26:42 OSiM and Maemo Summit, in Berlin, September 18-20 Jul 28 17:26:49 ok Jul 28 17:26:59 I wish there was a clever way to develop software for maemo on Windows Jul 28 17:27:02 lardman: i thought the agps-ui had actually not much to do with the actual initiation of contacting the supl server?! Jul 28 17:27:20 MakeGho, vmware Jul 28 17:27:45 MakeGho, or even more clevererererer: Boot to another OS :P Jul 28 17:28:04 crashanddie: Could, maybe. Do you know the optimal distribution for just coding for maemo, nothing else? :) Jul 28 17:28:06 jott: I think it simply sends the location data to supld which does the contacting Jul 28 17:28:13 (in fact i think the agps-ui is pretty much useless :P Jul 28 17:28:32 i thought it just writes the location to gconf Jul 28 17:28:39 The last time I tried the devenv was a pain to get working. But N810 wasn't released yet at that time, things could have changed. Jul 28 17:28:49 and the supld gets it from there. Jul 28 17:28:51 jott: yep, which is presumably read by supld Jul 28 17:28:56 MakeGho, there's an vmware image with scratchbox and everything, but any debian based distro will do Jul 28 17:29:06 Oh, great! Jul 28 17:29:13 so the bug is in gpsdriver I suppose, it should restart the gps if someone updates the gconf data Jul 28 17:29:34 yeah, i hacked mameo mapper to feed gconf with a location ;) Jul 28 17:31:07 should I be worried if I send a CV to a company and get any reaction within a week? :-° Jul 28 17:31:18 s/get/don't get/ Jul 28 17:31:19 crashanddie meant: should I be worried if I send a CV to a company and don't get any reaction within a week? :-° Jul 28 17:31:35 depends Jul 28 17:31:39 Depends, did you actually want that job? Jul 28 17:31:46 aye, really badly :P Jul 28 17:31:48 did you apply to some specific gig? that had a deadline on applicants Jul 28 17:31:53 nope Jul 28 17:31:55 lardman: i think you can use dbus to contact supld. Jul 28 17:32:03 then you might get worried Jul 28 17:32:18 damnit Jul 28 17:33:22 jott: is there code, or just from strings on gpsdriver? Jul 28 17:34:30 crashanddie: it's vacation season tho.. Jul 28 17:34:40 yeah, that's what I figured Jul 28 17:34:44 crashanddie: the guy(s) handling recruiting could be out for weeks Jul 28 17:35:33 I'll give my agent on the inside a new mission Jul 28 17:36:05 crashanddie: it's summer time, they could just be on vacation maybe? Jul 28 17:36:23 lardman: just strings afaik Jul 28 17:38:43 whats bora? Jul 28 17:38:44 jott: yeah, that was probably me then Jul 28 17:40:31 mh Jul 28 17:41:01 supld does not fetch new data on RefreshAssistData or GetAssistData :( Jul 28 17:41:46 Where are those fns defined? Jul 28 17:42:49 supld Jul 28 17:43:08 ah ok :) Jul 28 17:43:20 when you go to the job interview, you could leave one of these behind. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/8c52/ Jul 28 17:43:38 .. and then wait for them to call you back for the salary negotiations :) Jul 28 17:43:44 lardman: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData Jul 28 17:44:11 Cptnodegard, old Jul 28 17:44:34 old wht? Jul 28 17:44:41 Bora = old Jul 28 17:44:58 oh Jul 28 17:44:59 lol Jul 28 17:46:06 * qwerty12 needs to get a new charger, I broke my old one while travelling up north :/ Jul 28 17:48:05 jott: tried that and got out a load of bytes, mainly 0, but at least one 1 Jul 28 17:51:26 lardman: yeah but it does not really contact the supl server after that :( Jul 28 17:51:34 i wonder if it is possible Jul 28 17:53:40 does it need more parameters - the lat/long for example? Jul 28 17:54:34 no i don't think so. this should be fetched from gconf. Jul 28 17:55:42 Hi ! Jul 28 17:55:50 I've got a lock atm, so I wonder if it needs to have gpsdriver not running? Jul 28 17:56:29 I don't understand why I've got a lock with SNR<=20 for 4 sats, but couldn't do likewise yesterday on a 737 on the ground Jul 28 17:56:53 is there sqlite guru here ? Jul 28 17:57:08 how does sqlite manage datetime Jul 28 17:57:20 does the format depends on local ? Jul 28 17:57:31 year-month-day on french Jul 28 17:57:46 and year-day-month on english sys ? Jul 28 17:58:00 american Jul 28 17:58:13 same things ) Jul 28 17:58:14 :) Jul 28 17:58:18 no, not at all Jul 28 17:58:20 Hmm, anyone know what happened to scratchbox-devkit-cputransp_1.0.8~20080428_i386.deb ? Jul 28 17:58:22 year-month-day is SQL format Jul 28 17:58:36 month/day/year is american Jul 28 17:58:52 yes but sqlite isn t really sql :) Jul 28 17:59:09 l of sql is missing :) Jul 28 17:59:16 it s sq lite :) Jul 28 17:59:36 jott: it may also check to see if the new location is close to the old, and not bother the SUPL server if it is, try relocating to Australia using agps-ui and checking for comms Jul 28 18:00:01 Khertan_n810, you could always use a regexp to help you out Jul 28 18:00:40 i use strptime and strftime :) Jul 28 18:00:48 Jaffa: I'm going nuts here with vala.. Do you have any good resources for this .. stuff? Jul 28 18:01:51 Apart from the live.gnome.org wiki? Jul 28 18:02:02 myfunction (datetime) { return strtotime(preg_replace("/(\d{2})\/(\d{2})\/(\d{2,4})/", "$2/$1/$3", datetime)); } Jul 28 18:02:06 something like that Jul 28 18:03:33 I prefer \d\d to \d{2} - saves a character. ;) And you might want to use something else as delimiter (instead of /) to avoid the /\/\ madness. Well, nvm. Back to vala limitations.. Jul 28 18:04:30 Blafasel, that's just something I use in my code, I'm not the one who creates the data, I just work with it :P Jul 28 18:06:49 crashanddie: That expression allows 3 digit years, though. ;) Ah. Ignore my rants. Jul 28 18:07:34 so ? Jul 28 18:07:42 You think there wasn't anything before the year 1000 ? Jul 28 18:07:46 ;) Jul 28 18:08:03 But, but.. What about 9 AD? Jul 28 18:08:30 We're not documenting what happened +/- 100 years around the birth of jesus christ Jul 28 18:08:48 We boycott that slice of history Jul 28 18:08:57 Ah.. And let me guess, your application doesn't allow different calendars. Like the jewish for example ;) Jul 28 18:09:11 do you know what my application is ? Jul 28 18:09:17 Not at all. Jul 28 18:09:23 I rest my case. Jul 28 18:11:14 Blafasel, this small part of the whole project just imports text files which contain date/time stamps in the form DD/MM/YY, and sometimes DD/MM/YYYY, I'm really not worried about David tethering with the logs :P Jul 28 18:11:46 Webkit-gtk has issues. Jul 28 18:13:09 ...at least I'm pretty sure it's Webkit-GTK Jul 28 18:14:46 lardman: gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 0 Jul 28 18:14:56 dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.supld /com/nokia/supld com.nokia.supld.GetAssistData Jul 28 18:15:04 seems to always fetch data from the server Jul 28 18:17:46 ~nickometer ax0n-HiR Jul 28 18:17:47 'ax0n-HiR' is 98.330% lame, crashanddie Jul 28 18:17:51 OUCH Jul 28 18:18:27 lol Jul 28 18:18:57 jott: ok Jul 28 18:19:07 ~nickometer Khertan Jul 28 18:19:07 hi lardman Jul 28 18:19:09 'Khertan' is 0.000% lame, khertan_n810 Jul 28 18:19:22 hehe :) Jul 28 18:19:25 hi overflo Jul 28 18:19:26 Wth is that? Jul 28 18:19:38 so ... bye Jul 28 18:20:07 can we speak in private ? Jul 28 18:20:26 ~nickometer robink Jul 28 18:20:28 'robink' is 0.000% lame, robink Jul 28 18:20:38 hi jott Jul 28 18:20:40 i wonder if changing pos_uncertainty increases the accuracy... Jul 28 18:20:43 hello overflo Jul 28 18:21:31 overflo: any luck hacking omap? Jul 28 18:21:56 Xomap? Jul 28 18:22:05 no Jul 28 18:22:06 :D Jul 28 18:22:09 oh Jul 28 18:22:27 I din't kwow omap ... what's this ? Jul 28 18:22:28 :D Jul 28 18:23:21 omap is the office of medical assistance programs :p Jul 28 18:23:38 =D Jul 28 18:23:40 :D Jul 28 18:23:41 and hacking it sounds highly illegal :P Jul 28 18:23:53 overflo: you were looking at omap datasheets on itt, right? Jul 28 18:24:30 yes Jul 28 18:24:49 who takes care of infobot Jul 28 18:24:51 ~owner Jul 28 18:24:52 TimRiker is my owner Jul 28 18:26:42 ~chaninfo #maemo Jul 28 18:26:43 On #maemo, there have been 4576 Joins, 2 Ops, 249 Parts, 30765 PublicMsgs, 4340 SignOffs and 10 Topics. At the moment, 1 Opped and 284 Total. oldlebot has said the most with a total of 2343 messages. Jul 28 18:27:29 hm that does not sound right :) Jul 28 18:30:18 who's oldlebot? :) Jul 28 18:32:38 ~seen oldlebot Jul 28 18:32:39 oldlebot is currently on #idlerpg (7d 23h 19m 27s). Has said a total of 2345 messages. Is idling for 1m 21s, last said: 'Adys reaches next level in 0 days, 11:05:47.'. Jul 28 18:33:33 overflo: sure, you need a registered nick though I think] Jul 28 18:34:41 yes Jul 28 18:34:43 :D Jul 28 18:35:29 I also wait fanoush Jul 28 18:35:49 lardman: you could also set yourself -E :) Jul 28 18:36:00 how do I do that? Jul 28 18:36:19 .. /mode lardman -E Jul 28 18:36:24 cool Jul 28 18:36:34 /mode lardman -E Jul 28 18:36:59 dang, beaten to it. Jul 28 18:37:05 I get "a :is unknown mode char to me" Jul 28 18:37:15 I have a program with mediawiki Jul 28 18:37:42 ~seen Stskeeps Jul 28 18:37:43 stskeeps was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 35m 11s ago, saying: 'and then dpkg-deb --build afterwards (doesnt always work on maemo.)'. Jul 28 18:37:51 lardman: hmm what client do you use? .. should actually work on most ones.. Jul 28 18:38:06 Visual IRC (Windows) Jul 28 18:38:28 I will reboot after supper and can have a chat latter on overflo Jul 28 18:38:34 s/latter/later Jul 28 18:38:47 jott, robink, thanks for the commands Jul 28 18:39:02 sure np. Jul 28 18:39:14 So, is there a bug against the lack of a way to interface with the supl server? I can't find one Jul 28 18:42:03 lardman: what do you want to do actually? Jul 28 18:42:23 i think enforcing the retrieval of data seems to work Jul 28 18:42:40 and most of the dbus stuff is self-explanatory Jul 28 18:42:49 jott: I'd like an interface so we can use something other than agps-ui Jul 28 18:43:07 lardman: i have an "unstable" patch for maemo mapper to set the location Jul 28 18:43:10 ah, you mean we can write the lat/long already, then tell it to update? Jul 28 18:43:17 yeah i guess so.. Jul 28 18:43:28 ah cool, do you have that documented any where? Jul 28 18:43:34 irc log :) Jul 28 18:44:02 just as i said above a bit. change the gconftool-2 --set /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support --type int 0 Jul 28 18:44:16 so it will always fetch data on GetAssistData Jul 28 18:44:49 jott: do you also have the secrect how to convert the mapper paths.db to gpx ? Jul 28 18:44:56 does it only fetch data if the location changes? There must be a reason for that setting Jul 28 18:45:06 and it would be interesting to observe if changing pos_uncertainty affects it. Jul 28 18:45:33 jott: I'll have to reboot and look at the strings output and see where the lat/long is stored Jul 28 18:45:35 lardman: not 100% about this. Jul 28 18:45:47 jott: I'd like to export the mapper paths automatically on the command line. Jul 28 18:46:03 lardman: it's also stored under /system/osso/supl Jul 28 18:46:12 oilinki@ look at the source, it's just a db afaik Jul 28 18:46:53 lardman: the sqlite db is easy, but the coordinates are in a more difficult format. Jul 28 18:47:09 jott: ok, well it would be good to hook into something like GeoClue/maemo-mapper to use rather than agps-ui Jul 28 18:47:18 oilinki: shouldn't be too hard. Jul 28 18:47:19 oilinki: ah, ok; no idea then Jul 28 18:47:49 lardman: as i said, i patched maemo-mapper. but i suppose it needs some cleanup. Jul 28 18:48:41 oilinki: unit2latlon seems to do the jon Jul 28 18:48:43 job Jul 28 18:48:54 jott: where is that one? Jul 28 18:49:12 I could get the lattitude, but not lognitude. Jul 28 18:49:20 lognitude ? Jul 28 18:49:28 sqlite3 paths.db " select num,unitx,unity,time,altitude from track_path ;" | sed 's/|/ /g' | awk 'BEGIN {OFMT= "%10.10f";} {print $1,($2*360/2^29)-180, 360*(atan2($3*(-6.28318377773622/2^29),70)) } Jul 28 18:49:29 Is that the log-verbose level ? Jul 28 18:49:56 (lon) = ((unitx) * (360.0 / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) - 180.0; \ Jul 28 18:50:29 jott: ah. then I could get the lattitude. Jul 28 18:50:58 (lat) = (360.0 * (atan(exp(((unity) * (MERCATOR_SPAN / WORLD_SIZE_UNITS)) \ Jul 28 18:50:58 + MERCATOR_TOP)))) * (1.0 / PI) - 90.0; \ Jul 28 18:51:02 :) Jul 28 18:51:23 #define MERCATOR_SPAN (-6.28318377773622) Jul 28 18:51:23 #define MERCATOR_TOP (3.14159188886811) Jul 28 18:51:54 hm.. ok I'll try to build something on that one :) Jul 28 19:02:31 Jaffa: Did you create the vala / libgee0 packages? Jul 28 19:04:06 libgee0 has this maintainer line: Maintainer: Maintainers of Vala packages Jul 28 19:04:14 So it's an official debian package? Jul 28 19:04:41 hi there Jul 28 19:04:47 how's everyone? Jul 28 19:05:16 where can I found the last version of Xournal? Jul 28 19:05:22 this one sucks Jul 28 19:05:30 it's a mess Jul 28 19:05:38 find* Jul 28 19:10:20 lardman|afk, no. ;) Jul 28 19:10:52 Hrmpf. Anyone in here able to repackage a debian package for maemo? Really small library? Jul 28 19:11:04 I fear I lack the skills and knowledge so far. Jul 28 19:11:42 (And this library should end up in maemo extras anyway, the version there is outdated) Jul 28 19:11:49 hmmf. Jul 28 19:12:16 maemo mapper seems to misalign the maps consistently... Jul 28 19:13:02 is there anything that ever works proper? Jul 28 19:13:05 ah. "map correction" Jul 28 19:13:32 that was a feature :) Jul 28 19:14:40 dirtyrice88 is so lame. Jul 28 19:15:08 what is? Jul 28 19:15:18 jott: do you have that maemo-mapper patch handy, I'd be interested in looking at it? Jul 28 19:17:01 Okay, trying another way: Any tutorials on repackaging debian packages? I just need them to depend on the "right" libc versions etc. Jul 28 19:17:51 the maemo tutorial has exemple, as well as the debian maintainer doc thingy Jul 28 19:18:19 Blafasel: if you are lucky, apt-get source the debian in debian; and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in scratchbox should do the trick Jul 28 19:19:29 melmoth: Unfortunately I don't have a (non-scratchbox) debian system. But thanks, those answers were helpful Jul 28 19:20:36 hi Jul 28 19:21:54 melmoth: I probably could download the sources for the package from here: http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny/libgee Jul 28 19:22:04 lardman: http://outpo.st/maemo_mapper_agps.patch Jul 28 19:22:16 But can you give me a hint how to arrange that stuff so that dpkg-buildpackage accepts it again? Jul 28 19:22:32 (against svn head) Jul 28 19:22:44 thanks :) Jul 28 19:23:31 yep that s the kind of file apt-get source gives Jul 28 19:23:43 put them all in a common dir Jul 28 19:23:51 jott: oh, really is that easy Jul 28 19:24:07 lardman: well not 100% sure. but i think it should. Jul 28 19:24:40 as supld just fetches the gconf values.. Jul 28 19:24:54 Blafasel: then uncompress the tarball Jul 28 19:25:12 Blafasel: chances are you will have to apply the patch (diff file) manually Jul 28 19:25:18 fetches the lat/long, sends message to supl server and returns the almanac/ephemeris presumably? Jul 28 19:25:25 there may be a automagic dpkg command that does it, but i do not know Jul 28 19:25:31 i usually have all this done with apt-get source Jul 28 19:25:52 jott: have you tried that with your earlier commands to Refresh the data? Jul 28 19:26:02 melmoth: No problem to apply the patch manually, I just don't know how the resulting directory structure has to look like Jul 28 19:26:36 Blafasel: what host OS are you running? Jul 28 19:26:58 lardman: no, not yet. but i guess supld will be queried when the gps is activated. Jul 28 19:27:16 you must launch dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in a somename-realeasenumber.versionnumber directory (most probably what you will have by untarring the tarball) Jul 28 19:27:40 i think we need to take a closer look. and on top we should test if changing pos_uncertainty has any positive effect. Jul 28 19:27:49 lbt: linux, OpenSuse 11 Jul 28 19:28:14 jott: yes, it might be worth looking at how to force gpsdriver to restart in that case, to force the supl data to be used - esp if updating from maemo-mapper, it won't have any effect until it's restarted Jul 28 19:28:27 melmoth: The point is: The dsc and patch need to be incorporated into that extracted source tarball, right? That's what I'm missing currently Jul 28 19:28:54 Blafasel: dpkg-source -x *.dsc ?? Jul 28 19:28:57 lardman: yeah maybe there is a way to tell gpsdriver to get new data from supld while running Jul 28 19:29:14 jott: if so, agps-ui doesn't use it Jul 28 19:29:15 lardman: then with the cache deactivated it could be ensured that the data is up to date. Jul 28 19:29:22 well, Blafasel libgee needs work.... Jul 28 19:29:27 no agps-ui seems pretty useless to me :) Jul 28 19:29:52 I just did apt-get source libgee Jul 28 19:29:53 jott: I wonder what the cache is used for, unless that means it should cache the desirec location and only start spuld when gpsdriver asks it to Jul 28 19:30:01 then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b Jul 28 19:30:36 * lardman has not typed in a week, nearly fogotten how Jul 28 19:31:10 lardman: i think the cache is only for set sat locations. Jul 28 19:31:29 lardman: supld just returns the data to what client asks it via dbus. Jul 28 19:31:47 lardman: Ahh.. Jul 28 19:32:05 (and i suppose gpsdriver just asks supld) Jul 28 19:33:00 lbt: *sigh* Yeah. Jul 28 19:33:18 dbus_supl_refresh_assist_data_cache / dbus_supl_get_assist_data as strings in gpsdriver seem to confirm this Jul 28 19:33:20 Blafasel: did that work? Jul 28 19:33:42 Blafasel: then cd into the directory and do dpkg-buildpackage etc Jul 28 19:33:45 lardman: Yes. Jul 28 19:33:53 lardman: That, unfortunately doesn't work.. Jul 28 19:34:11 Have to see how I can change the dependencies. Jul 28 19:34:17 Needs another glib version Jul 28 19:34:23 ah ok Jul 28 19:34:33 edit the control file in the debian dir Jul 28 19:34:50 jott: ok Jul 28 19:35:00 jott: we don't need to mess with that though, so that's fine Jul 28 19:36:08 lardman: yes, so (temporarly) disabling the cache should help enforcing an update and setting the gconf lat/lot/time seems to be succient for supld Jul 28 19:39:43 *sigh* okay, seems to fail during tests. No idea why. Jul 28 19:41:36 make: *** [testdir] Error 1 - I mean... What t F can I do to find the problem with this? That line is rather useless.. Jul 28 19:45:30 If I disable the tests make succeeds. dpkg-buildpackage doesn't, with the same error. Jul 28 19:51:41 apropos Debian, Is that bad: "dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}" (in Scratchbox) ? Jul 28 19:55:26 X-Fade: ping Jul 28 20:00:49 which package has "dput" ? Jul 28 20:01:05 re Jul 28 20:19:14 dannym: devscripts Jul 28 20:20:28 dannym: sorry, it is not devscripts, the correct package is just dput :) Jul 28 20:21:11 chelli: ah, thanks :) Jul 28 20:21:44 chelli: unfortunately I get a "package is not available but referenced by other package" thing... Jul 28 20:22:23 chelli: Maybe it's because I'm still on chinook in the scratchbox (because there's no diablo repository I can find...) Jul 28 20:23:08 dannym: you should normally use dput from outside of scratchbox Jul 28 20:23:33 dannym: which distribution do you use? Jul 28 20:23:37 chelli: Gentoo Jul 28 20:23:54 ok, then it is a little bit complicated :) Jul 28 20:24:32 chelli: everything else (package download etc) is in Scratchbox too, so why not dput? strange... Jul 28 20:25:48 dannym, lots of network apps tend to act funny under sbox :/. maybe try building dput in x86 target? Jul 28 20:27:23 qwerty12_N800: yeah, I'll try (should be easier than getting all the debian debs onto the Gentoo host system :-))... Jul 28 20:28:03 qwerty12_N800: reminds me, did you say you ported usb mode switch? :) Jul 28 20:28:30 dannym, yeah, i have a binary available on the itt forum :) Jul 28 20:28:48 i think the 3g wiki page is great btw Jul 28 20:29:07 qwerty12_N800: do you have a deb I can put into dependencies? *wishful thinking* :) Jul 28 20:29:32 qwerty12_N800: well, I'm in the process of creating a Debian binary package and then the 3G wiki page will be simplified a lot ;) Jul 28 20:29:48 dannym, no deb :(, you could package it though :p. Jul 28 20:30:36 * qwerty12_N800 is hooked on blobby volley Jul 28 20:31:06 qwerty12_N800: hehe, I could try :) I still have to read the intro for mud-builder though (which is supposed to be used for small ports, right?) :) Jul 28 20:32:20 dannym, :), mud-builder could be great for this task,never used it myself though, i repack an existing deb if i must :p Jul 28 20:34:06 i have openlierox somewhat working :) Jul 28 20:35:17 hehe, great, i know someone had a dodgy tarball of that... i'm really enjoying your ports, thanks Jul 28 20:35:59 I saw that tarball too, but it wasn't really usable Jul 28 20:36:40 i package beta4 because beta5 didn't work at all. Jul 28 20:37:09 everything else seems to work but ai-players crash game instantly Jul 28 20:39:12 qwerty12_N800: do you have -maemo4 version of blobby volley? Jul 28 20:40:07 mikkov_, let me check, just upgraded right now Jul 28 20:40:33 yep, Version: 0.6a-maemo4 Jul 28 20:40:49 did you try touchscreeb controls? Jul 28 20:40:55 -screen Jul 28 20:41:11 no I haven't actually, i should :) Jul 28 20:41:43 that was the change. I'd like to hear if they are any good :) Jul 28 20:42:23 doesn't seem to be working for me, let me rm .blobby :) Jul 28 20:43:19 it should work Jul 28 20:43:37 or if it doesn't something's wrong :) Jul 28 20:44:18 yeah, it's not doing it for me :/, i'll --purge it and try again :) Jul 28 20:44:33 hrm, "sb-menu" hanged... it was an endless loop: TERM="rxvt-unicode" is unsupported... just in case someone else has the problem too :) Jul 28 20:45:02 (workaround) solution is just to 'export TERM="rxvt"' before calling "sb-menu". Jul 28 20:46:05 trying version from repos... Jul 28 20:46:39 time to go home! Jul 28 20:46:40 o/ Jul 28 20:46:44 bye people Jul 28 20:48:13 it's working for me.. Jul 28 20:49:10 It's not doing it for me, no worries, the game is still brilliant with the buttons :) Jul 28 20:50:27 you did change controls from options->input options->left/right player? Jul 28 20:51:05 yeah, i tap the screen, it wont accept as valid input Jul 28 20:51:12 qwerty12_N800: mmmh, which dput (source) version should I use as base to build on the X86 target? Jul 28 20:51:21 (it's not like I can "apt-get source dput" :)) Jul 28 20:51:57 dannym, debian stable (i forget the name)? Jul 28 20:52:01 qwerty12_N800: for the jump button? any key should also work Jul 28 20:52:50 qwerty12_N800: according to , "Etch" ... *searches* Jul 28 20:53:22 mikkov_, doh, i didn't see touchscreen as input option, i thought you configured keyboard option. works great, thanks! Jul 28 20:56:06 All right, gentlemen, emulator packages are being uploaded to diablo extras/non-free Jul 28 21:02:19 Hi... I've upgraded my n800 to diablo, and I'm not quite understanding something: is ogg support available? does pidgin work yet? or do all those (and more) have to be ported yet? Jul 28 21:03:08 ogg support is available Jul 28 21:03:12 pidgin worked and works Jul 28 21:03:49 Now everything depends on X-Fade =) Jul 28 21:04:40 AStorm: I have yet been unable to get ogg support fully working. Jul 28 21:04:48 should I use mogg? Jul 28 21:04:52 no Jul 28 21:04:53 or something else? Jul 28 21:04:55 ogg-support Jul 28 21:05:07 it's in maemo-extras AFAICR Jul 28 21:05:27 robink: I have been able :) Jul 28 21:05:42 need lightweightmediascanner-ogg too :) Jul 28 21:05:45 (for Canola) Jul 28 21:05:54 liblightmediascanner-ogg is missing. Jul 28 21:06:06 robink, it's working for me in diablo Jul 28 21:06:22 ogg-support is not in maemo extras Jul 28 21:06:31 http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ you mean? Jul 28 21:06:42 Where do you get it? Jul 28 21:07:16 gregorovius__: Tuomas Kulve has a repo. Jul 28 21:09:31 AStorm: Do you pull lightmediascanner from repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook? Jul 28 21:10:09 maybe, or from Thomas Jul 28 21:10:15 can't remember Jul 28 21:10:56 anyone know when the n810w is coming out? Jul 28 21:11:13 I don't see lightmediascanner in http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian/pool/chinook/maemo/ Jul 28 21:11:45 (I still have the DVORAK keymapping on my IRC sessions so my typing is still a bit slow). Jul 28 21:11:51 I tried installing ogg-support from there, but it failed Jul 28 21:12:53 lardman, dsp-sbc doesn't like east london tracks with a *lot* of bass :p Jul 28 21:13:40 gregorovius__: It worked for me, it's just the lightmediascanner stuff that's still non-functional. Jul 28 21:14:21 What's dsp-sbc? Jul 28 21:15:01 http://gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/07/_MG_0043.jpg Jul 28 21:15:07 robink, does the default media player works with you for vorbis files? Jul 28 21:15:36 gregorovius__: Yes. Jul 28 21:15:41 qwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder? Jul 28 21:16:03 robink: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-sbc/ Jul 28 21:16:18 RST38h: Aaaaaaah! Jul 28 21:17:21 hmmm, the longest nap ever Jul 28 21:17:55 lcuk: I slept for 14 hours last night Jul 28 21:18:10 robink: hehe Jul 28 21:18:19 you lucky thing :) ive spent the last 2 days holed up with a migraine from hell Jul 28 21:18:29 boo, lcuk Jul 28 21:18:29 never choose the over-wing exit seats for night flights, they don't recline Jul 28 21:18:36 Is anyone working on a Vorbis codec that uses the MAC instructions on the OMAP dsp? Jul 28 21:18:48 lardman: they do Jul 28 21:18:52 robink: yes to the first bit, not yet to the second bit Jul 28 21:18:59 yikes lardman, apart from that, was it uneventful Jul 28 21:19:05 RST38h: not on a 757 Jul 28 21:19:22 lardman: unless you fly Lufthansa where no seats recline and the stewardess shouts "NICHT!" when you ask for juice Jul 28 21:19:27 is there a guide for securing maemo, known exploits, etc? Jul 28 21:19:36 RST38h: lol Jul 28 21:19:41 hahahahahaha luria Jul 28 21:19:43 lardman: not joking. Jul 28 21:19:48 not kidding Jul 28 21:20:00 luria, kinda realised that Jul 28 21:20:09 lardman: [and I am not even telling a story of trying to get out of Frankfurt with reservation but without a paper ticket] Jul 28 21:20:11 lardman: Are you referring to the vorbis-tremor Maemo port? Jul 28 21:20:15 RST38h: I had the same flying a long haul with SwissAir, they were far nicer when I asked again in German Jul 28 21:20:24 robink: yes Jul 28 21:20:32 lardman: Never flew them Jul 28 21:20:46 Do they even exist anymore? Jul 28 21:20:52 lardman: KLM - ok. BA - same as Lufthansa but at least they do not smile at you Jul 28 21:20:55 lots of national airlines went bust didn't they Jul 28 21:21:08 hope was well behaved and i had no problem with my eeexubuntu machine, but i think for defcon, im going to be relying on my n800 or possibly an n810 Jul 28 21:21:18 the air france staff all wanted to be parents, they had god complexes Jul 28 21:21:29 robink: you interested? I lack motivation as I don't use ogg Jul 28 21:21:29 Doesn't the ARM11 have FP support? Jul 28 21:21:35 lardman: UA - budget airline feel with imperial airline pomp Jul 28 21:21:35 robink: yes Jul 28 21:22:11 lardman: AirFrance - f#$king metal boxes under each seat, reducing leg room to nil Jul 28 21:22:15 I flew to Chicago with Continental, was better than I remember, at least they have video screens now :) Jul 28 21:22:23 lardman: Definately, but I lack coding skills. Jul 28 21:22:39 RST38h, only on over sea journeys: those are your life rafts Jul 28 21:22:46 robink: ah Jul 28 21:22:53 flight from germany to france was clea underseat Jul 28 21:23:00 robink, lightmediascanner isn't working yet? Jul 28 21:23:02 you mean reflective body finders Jul 28 21:23:07 lcuk: should have inflated one and used it as a bed... Jul 28 21:23:07 lighmediascanner-ogg, I mean Jul 28 21:23:34 lardman: Aeroflot - lousy but will bring juice by the litre Jul 28 21:23:36 noooo, the steward (we'll call her "mum") was such a bossy trout Jul 28 21:23:39 lardman: I know C but the math behind most audio codecs is beyond me. Jul 28 21:23:46 on the internal flight the safetly blurb said all the usual about life jackets, then tacked on the end that if there wasn't one, your seat cushion would float :D Jul 28 21:23:48 [or just tell you to help yourself] Jul 28 21:24:35 robink: in the first instance it's just a case of converting for the 16bit char and getting it to run, fiddling with optimising it is for later Jul 28 21:24:56 lardman: Delta - became so similar to Aeroflot that even its planes use Russian tricolor now Jul 28 21:25:03 gregorovius__: Not for me, but I'm sure lightmediascanner will show up. Jul 28 21:25:05 Mmmm.... Jul 28 21:25:10 Cathay Airways - pretty nice Jul 28 21:25:49 Mmm....Have I forgotten anyone? Jul 28 21:26:24 lardman: I'll check out the code and look at it. Jul 28 21:26:35 Oh, AirItalia - nice, but why didn't they tell me that little pastry was made of 100% butter? Jul 28 21:27:02 robink: also take a look at the project mailing list, it says where I am debugging Jul 28 21:27:36 robink: I recently started converting the code to use the usual malloc fns though rather than the slab allocator I had planned to use Jul 28 21:28:03 robink: Assuming there's enough memory available, this should be faster, and may also remove my corrupt buffer problem Jul 28 21:29:43 robink: The reason it's not a simple define is that the Tremor code uses lots of allocations on the stack, so I've got to go through and add free() for them Jul 28 21:29:54 s/define/define change Jul 28 21:30:24 lardman: Checking out DSP-Tremor now. Jul 28 21:30:30 make nokia_2420_defconfig Jul 28 21:30:39 sorry Jul 28 21:31:17 robink: is there a mk2 directory? That's the code I'm switching to use the built in memory allocation fns Jul 28 21:32:00 lardman: Ah. I'm not that familiar with MM concepts, but I think I grokked that. Jul 28 21:32:09 lardman: Nope Jul 28 21:34:23 What's the name of the TI dsp toolchain? Jul 28 21:34:41 check out the dsp programming page on the wiki for a link Jul 28 21:34:52 ah, I was supposed to update that too, dneary will kill me Jul 28 21:34:58 lardman: Thanks. Jul 28 21:38:16 hi, where can I find the previous versions of Xournal? Jul 28 21:38:40 oops, just deleted my local and only existing branch Jul 28 21:38:52 I shouldn't try using svn when tired Jul 28 21:38:52 mulva: chinook extras? Jul 28 21:39:05 :S lardman Jul 28 21:39:16 lost actual code? Jul 28 21:39:35 guys, is kismet avaiable for n810 ? Jul 28 21:39:58 lcuk: yeah, all gone Jul 28 21:40:07 oh poo! Jul 28 21:40:12 lcuk: only an evening's work though, so not so bad Jul 28 21:40:16 journaling fs? Jul 28 21:40:25 ext3 I think Jul 28 21:40:33 cant you roll back from some of these? Jul 28 21:40:51 I just did a quick Google and didn't see anything positive Jul 28 21:40:52 or is it simply not worth the effort Jul 28 21:41:10 not to worry, it was just converting the code to get rid of stack allocations, it can be done again Jul 28 21:41:20 boo, ive got a branch of liqbase on the boil. think im gonna backup now ;) Jul 28 21:42:42 lardman, pm by the way Jul 28 21:43:15 :) slow as ever Jul 28 21:43:59 anyone compiled the kernel? make menuconfig is having problems... Jul 28 21:44:37 it's a typical 'missing libncurses' problem - but libncurses is there! Jul 28 21:44:55 lbt: -dev package missing? Jul 28 21:44:59 Which version of the TI DSP toolchain do I want? Jul 28 21:45:13 nope - that's there Jul 28 21:45:28 it compiles OK - but won't link Jul 28 21:45:42 I found this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/undefined-reference-to-wmove...-625277/ Jul 28 21:45:52 robink: one for C55 DSPs if possible Jul 28 21:45:54 which looks v.similar Jul 28 21:46:01 but my .so is symlinked Jul 28 21:46:06 lardman: Gotcha. Jul 28 21:47:28 Oh wait, hmm. There's a link to a toolchain for the C54xx... Jul 28 21:51:44 robink: hang on, I'll take a look Jul 28 21:54:15 lbt: doesn't work for me either, but it can't ever... Jul 28 21:54:28 lbt: because "libncurses.so" is for the ARM architecture... Jul 28 21:54:47 lbt: if you are running it under Scratchbox with ARM target which I suppose you do... Jul 28 21:54:51 I'm in an arm scratchbox Jul 28 21:55:04 doesn't quemu take care of that? Jul 28 21:55:13 robink: top one https://www-a.ti.com/downloads/sds_support/targetcontent/LinuxDspTools/download/linuxdsptools_v1_00_00_06.bin Jul 28 21:56:23 lbt: magically? I don't think so... there may be a way to set it up to do so, but I doubt there's a qemu hook in ld.so :) Jul 28 21:56:38 lbt, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20850#20850 Jul 28 21:56:45 lardman: Thanks. Jul 28 21:56:56 BBL, doctor. Jul 28 21:57:31 robink: please give me feed back about the dsp programming page, it's been a long time since I was there Jul 28 21:57:33 johnx: interesting :) Jul 28 21:57:49 I know I used make menuconfig in sb before Jul 28 21:57:51 johnx: I was *soo* close... Jul 28 21:57:51 there as in starting from scratch that is, not just not editing it for ages ;) Jul 28 21:57:57 I don't remember if I used that method... Jul 28 21:57:59 Anyone who know what this error means:omapCardInit: couldn't open dispc gfx plane? Jul 28 21:58:37 I'm doing the debian-nit project on a 770 but Xomap won't start Jul 28 21:58:56 got it - thanks johnx Jul 28 21:59:11 ah zanshin, are you using the Xomap binary straight from OS2008? Jul 28 21:59:12 where's that damn wiki.... Jul 28 22:01:24 Johnx: No, that one is working, more or less. dbus gives some errors. I build debian-nit manually with Stskeeps. I've got it booting now(more or less). Jul 28 22:01:56 does anyone have experience how Maemo connectivity determines which interfaces to check? Jul 28 22:02:28 I have a new interface "hso0" up and a default route via it, when I do "ping www.google.com" or whatever on the device, it works... Jul 28 22:02:40 zanshin, very cool :) Jul 28 22:02:51 johnx: there is a dbus check which checks for kernels higher then 2.6.18, I removed it :). So now it continues to boot. I don't know the effects of that :) Jul 28 22:02:52 but when I start the browser and try surfing, the connectivity GUI will pop up, thinking it's not connected... Jul 28 22:03:40 dannym, you might need to trick it by making an ad-hoc wifi connection and then manually doing ifconfig wlan0 down after that Jul 28 22:03:48 gnite Jul 28 22:03:50 dannym, that should make it happy Jul 28 22:04:19 johnx: do you have any idea what the error could cause? Jul 28 22:05:03 zanshin, hmmm, I definitely haven't seen that error on n8x0 hardware... Jul 28 22:10:22 * lardman is having troubles typing, pistachios are addictive! Jul 28 22:12:12 omapCardInit on google return 0 hits, that's encouraging :) Jul 28 22:13:18 zanshin, I know the feeling :) Jul 28 22:13:41 did you end up setting the fb_update mode to something besides auto during boot? Jul 28 22:17:39 johnx:[ 608.166320] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 100x30 this is what I can find in the log Jul 28 22:17:49 O_o Jul 28 22:18:00 what? Jul 28 22:18:17 aaah, 100x30 characters not pixels :) Jul 28 22:20:18 I can set it to manual. How does the command work? Jul 28 22:20:18 so you're using the OS2006 Xomap right? Jul 28 22:20:35 well if you haven't set it to anything it should already be manual Jul 28 22:20:46 IIRC, fb_update_mode manual Jul 28 22:20:55 I have copied it to the filesystem. Jul 28 22:21:02 well I did that and that works Jul 28 22:21:10 hey, where are the values stored which libcal reads on n800 and n810? Jul 28 22:21:40 i thought it was in the onenand OTP area but apparently it reads them from somewhere else Jul 28 22:21:52 it says:mode set to manual Jul 28 22:22:14 zanshin, does it say anything in dmesg? Jul 28 22:22:18 night all Jul 28 22:22:39 also those reported by bt-cal and wlan-cal Jul 28 22:22:44 [ 2166.036376] hwa742: setting update mode to manual Jul 28 22:23:12 and cal-tool (on the initfs) Jul 28 22:23:47 1:1.3.99.0~git20070321-0osso20074202-debian6 OMAP X server Jul 28 22:23:53 that's the one installed Jul 28 22:35:26 there, "dput" for Gentoo Linux: ;) Jul 28 22:37:22 good night... Jul 28 22:58:04 anyone know what happened to: maemo ruby? the rubyx.co.uk site is gone... but I'm hoping someone has the dpkg src files... Jul 28 22:58:22 alterego hasn't been around in forever Jul 28 23:01:41 ~seen alterego Jul 28 23:01:42 alterego was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 152d 6h 44m 3s ago, saying: 'Spakman_ probably best, I've got a heavy rest of the week. So best wait 'til Saturday and I'll get maemo.rubyx.co.uk back up.'. Jul 28 23:02:55 i guess this saturday never came :/ Jul 28 23:03:47 how long has it taken usually to port apps when a new os release is out? Jul 28 23:04:43 gregorovius__: hard to tell now with the new (more portable) extras. Jul 28 23:05:53 why more portable? I'm quite new to internet tablets/maemo Jul 28 23:06:13 gregorovius__: because now source packages have to be uploaded for extra packages. Jul 28 23:06:25 johnx: I think it has something to do with permisions. Do you know which files Xomap tries to access? Jul 28 23:06:30 an new os release should basically just imply to recompile those packages. Jul 28 23:07:39 I see. But right now, the ''extra'' repo in my diablo tablet is quite empty. I installed pidgin and ogg support, but those are from chinook Jul 28 23:07:48 they seem to be compatible, though Jul 28 23:08:05 gregorovius__: it's quite new and chinook did not introduce any big library changes. Jul 28 23:08:22 (so nearly all chinook packages should work) Jul 28 23:08:53 let the extras repository a bit time to grow :) Jul 28 23:09:08 is it safe to use chinook packages, or may I experience some breakage? Jul 28 23:09:56 in general it should work, but that does not mean that there may be some bad packages out there. Jul 28 23:10:20 so pay attention on what you install and you should be fine :) Jul 28 23:13:28 good to know, thanks Jul 28 23:14:37 Man, Webkit-GTK is driving me nuts. Jul 28 23:17:59 uh, seems even dbus-glib does not make dbus nice. Jul 28 23:19:25 before being able to connect to a signal one has to add the signal to the proxy. To be able to actually marshal the signal you need to add a marshaller. Of course the marshaller I need has to be generated with glib-genmarshal. Grgh. Jul 28 23:21:46 Where's lardman's DSP programming page? Jul 28 23:29:33 Also, anyone know which OMAP 3xxx CPU will likely be used in the next-generation N.+? Jul 28 23:29:44 3430 Jul 28 23:29:45 if anything Jul 28 23:31:11 Interesting...so it won't have a TI DSP? Jul 28 23:34:35 3430 does have a TI DSP Jul 28 23:34:39 just a different one Jul 28 23:36:10 The IVA2 is a TI DSP? Jul 28 23:42:19 yes Jul 28 23:42:42 let me rephase that.. yes if that is the DSP block...there are so many blocks in the OMAP3 Jul 28 23:42:54 it is the same TI dsp that is in the 2430 Jul 28 23:48:32 well, iva is a dsp, but it's the one to be used as a GPU Jul 28 23:48:40 it's an ARM Jul 28 23:48:59 there's separately from iva, the C55x dsp Jul 28 23:49:38 iva -> imaging and video accelerator Jul 28 23:54:24 it should be a C64x Jul 28 23:55:29 1 64x+,ARM Cortex-A8 Jul 29 00:05:34 ds3: one C= 64 :D Jul 29 00:05:37 commodore Jul 29 00:35:02 balrog-k1n: Wikipedia doesn't mention the fact that the 3430 has a TI DSP. Jul 29 00:38:26 this is a public page that says it - Jul 29 00:38:30 http://www.logicpd.com/products/som/ti/omap3430 Jul 29 00:40:37 possibly the C55x is only for OMAP1 and OMAP2, while omap3 is only a couple of ARMs now Jul 29 00:40:57 ds3: i'm not sure how to interpret this, i.e. whether the DM64xx is on the same chip or external Jul 29 00:41:54 ds3: That page doesn't make it explicit that the DSP is on the CPU die. Jul 29 00:42:15 oops, what balrog-k1n said. Jul 29 00:42:52 i think it isn't, but if you click "Texas Instruments OMAP3430.." it takes you to a TI page showing four cores Jul 29 00:42:55 should be enough :) Jul 29 00:47:00 four core "..ought to be enough for anyone" Jul 29 00:47:06 +s Jul 29 00:49:17 robink: it is on chip. Jul 29 00:49:30 problem is there is a mind field of NDAs that prevent a full discussion Jul 29 00:49:46 ds3: Ah. Jul 29 00:52:21 * robink waits for the AD BF548 BSP to become affordible. Jul 29 00:52:42 (I think it's the 548) Jul 29 00:53:05 Yeah. Jul 29 01:09:29 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8479495970.html Jul 29 01:09:38 so how long Jul 29 01:19:17 jott / lcuk_zzz / lardman: so I took my n800 shopping today Jul 29 01:19:24 scanned all kinds of random shit Jul 29 01:22:52 basically 75%+ of the stuff I scanned came up perfectly... Jul 29 01:23:14 generic (store brand) generally didnt work Jul 29 01:23:29 but most of the non-storebrand stuff worked, even things i thought might be obscure Jul 29 01:23:42 a very few items are having some kind of character encoding issue Jul 29 01:23:45 so there is a development board for the omap3 can a nokia product be far behind Jul 29 01:24:27 $150 Jul 29 01:25:00 rm_you: scanned? as in barcodes? Jul 29 01:27:27 there is a bar code scanning app using the N800 camera? Jul 29 01:27:34 yes :) Jul 29 01:27:40 GPL'ed? Jul 29 01:27:43 yes Jul 29 01:27:47 garage? Jul 29 01:27:50 yes Jul 29 01:27:57 got name? Jul 29 01:27:59 yes Jul 29 01:28:03 which is? Jul 29 01:28:09 maemo-barcode :) Jul 29 01:28:14 DOH Jul 29 01:29:50 rm_you: nice. it would be good to add unknown codes and push them back to the upcdatabase when tagged properly. Jul 29 01:37:30 hmmm no released files Jul 29 01:37:38 heh Jul 29 01:37:43 ds3: it is in SVN Jul 29 01:37:48 ds3: working binary... err Jul 29 01:37:49 ~barcode Jul 29 01:37:55 ~maemo-barcode Jul 29 01:38:00 ... Jul 29 01:38:02 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=maemo-barcode Jul 29 01:38:09 ~lart infobot with a large trout Jul 29 01:38:09 * infobot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down infobot with a large trout's throat until infobot with a large trout puts on 150lbs Jul 29 01:38:29 i want to know if works significantly better then the one for the Treo Jul 29 01:38:37 ds3: grab the database here: http://ageofikon.info/upc3.db.bz2 Jul 29 01:38:54 ds3: and the binary from... err, jott, where is your binary? Jul 29 01:39:00 i think yours was newer or something? Jul 29 01:39:08 rm_you: no time to drag in the entire SDK just to build one app Jul 29 01:39:09 http://outpo.st/maemo-barcode i think :) Jul 29 01:39:22 ds3: yeah we have a binary Jul 29 01:39:41 will that work on chinook? Jul 29 01:39:47 ds3: maybe? >_> Jul 29 01:39:51 it should Jul 29 01:39:53 :) Jul 29 01:40:06 this is one of the times I wish i put wget on my n800 Jul 29 01:40:09 remember to fetch the database, otherwise it will reboot the device ;P Jul 29 01:40:16 where does the db go? Jul 29 01:40:25 ds3: same directory as the binary Jul 29 01:40:26 in the same dir Jul 29 01:40:29 ds3: or symlink it in Jul 29 01:40:36 ds3: it unpacks to about 70MB Jul 29 01:40:52 okay... does it work from /home/user/foo/? or does it need to be some place specific? Jul 29 01:40:57 jott: it really shouldn't reboot, it should just fail and return "unknown/unknown" Jul 29 01:41:08 ds3: that should be fine Jul 29 01:41:10 but you get all the fancy vagi^H^H^H^H products to lookup Jul 29 01:41:19 lol Jul 29 01:41:25 cool, I'll try it tonight Jul 29 01:41:54 ds3: and i guess we could improve recognition rate even more. Jul 29 01:42:12 yeah Jul 29 01:42:21 it had problems with glare, not sure if that is fixable Jul 29 01:42:36 but grocery store lighting is really glare-prone Jul 29 01:42:52 and some of the rounded barcodes were difficult to just not working right Jul 29 01:42:54 like on cans and jars Jul 29 01:43:13 rm_you: currently it's just a moving average to filter out noise and some shadows. Jul 29 01:43:19 yeah Jul 29 01:43:46 and on this thing of turkey i bought, the bardcode had like, a bump where the turkey ended, so it never scanned Jul 29 01:43:51 yeah curved surfaces are ugly :/ Jul 29 01:43:59 the treo one is a balancing act between the lens's macro capability (none)/the size and the number of pixels available Jul 29 01:44:36 but i see employees at the pos screwing up with the barcodes all th etime :) Jul 29 01:45:06 lol Jul 29 01:45:54 ds3: yeah, well the n8x0 cameras suck, but amazingly still seem to work pretty well with the barcodes if you hold them right Jul 29 01:46:26 but noise is a big problem. Jul 29 01:46:57 the pos devices at the store must have some crazy algorithms Jul 29 01:46:58 and of course out of focus too.. Jul 29 01:47:07 because the do-it-yourself ones are amazingly accurate and simple Jul 29 01:47:19 rm_you: they use lasers which safes quite some work ;) Jul 29 01:48:16 the don't have to do all this fancy image pre-processing ;) Jul 29 01:50:18 heh yeah Jul 29 01:50:33 at least stores generally have good lighting Jul 29 01:50:50 jott: have you seen the Treo650? Jul 29 01:51:10 ds3: only once. Jul 29 01:52:42 ah, guess I will see Jul 29 02:10:58 for maemo mapper, i have downloaded some maps but how would i co-relate the directory with 'cache db' field in manage repositories ? Jul 29 02:45:58 hi Jul 29 02:52:40 Is it possible to use hildon banners in a headless application? Jul 29 02:52:57 or do i still need a gtk.main() **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 29 02:59:56 2008