**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 29 02:59:56 2008 Jul 29 03:01:57 hi Jul 29 03:02:09 Gotit.... using osso.system_note_infoprint can be used with only a osso_context and no gtk.main() Jul 29 03:03:15 anyone know the proper settings to put into internet call for a gizmo sip call? i keep getting rejected call from some numbers Jul 29 03:03:37 i thought maybe my config for internet call was wrong Jul 29 03:04:45 anyone know why that might be occuring? Jul 29 03:05:50 haven't really used gizmo Jul 29 03:10:29 I use standard 'internet call' app not gizmo Jul 29 03:11:19 proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 29 03:12:20 http://sbender.net/~scott/tshirt.jpg "Linux Symposium Statistics" (funny) Jul 29 03:12:29 general, what does it mean when my call is rejected? Jul 29 04:46:45 hello Jul 29 04:47:01 can transmission power on the n810 be reduced to less than 10mw? Jul 29 04:47:05 (for wifi that is) Jul 29 04:53:07 perhaps with iwconfig? Jul 29 04:55:19 cool, optibike has bluetooth: http://tidalforce.googlegroups.com/web/Optibike PDA Interface Picture.JPG Jul 29 05:11:14 what exactly is chinook? Jul 29 05:11:20 can i install wireless-tools on my os2008? Jul 29 05:12:48 Chinook is a version of OS2008 Jul 29 05:12:51 Chinook is the name of the previous version of OS2008 Jul 29 05:12:58 Diablo is a later version of OS2008 Jul 29 05:13:00 Current is Dialblo Jul 29 05:13:07 diablo* Jul 29 05:13:12 hmm Jul 29 05:13:13 You can install wireless-tools. Jul 29 05:13:28 ok so if my apt sources say chinnok, does that mean i can install wireless-tools from the chinook repo? Jul 29 05:13:33 But they won't be of much help if you are going to sniff Jul 29 05:13:39 sniff? Jul 29 05:13:46 Ok, never mind Jul 29 05:13:48 i want to try to reduce txpower Jul 29 05:13:54 Just install them from chinook repo Jul 29 05:14:08 ok Jul 29 05:15:44 i am editing sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jul 29 05:15:49 is that correct? Jul 29 05:15:52 sources.list seems to be blank Jul 29 05:16:01 or should i add to it instead? Jul 29 05:16:20 maybe i should stick with the gui for now Jul 29 05:17:43 from what I remember, reducing the wifi power didn't realy help battery life Jul 29 05:18:40 Proteous, trying it for different reasons Jul 29 05:18:59 mainly to see if i can bring it down to less than 10mW and if so, would be nice Jul 29 05:19:07 and how it would work at <10mW Jul 29 05:20:41 ah Jul 29 05:22:23 I'm currently doing a test to see how long I can keep an edge cellphone teather going Jul 29 05:23:16 been 4 hours so far and batteries are still full Jul 29 05:23:36 i still can't install wireless-tools Jul 29 05:23:38 even in red pill mode Jul 29 05:23:46 i.e. can't find the package Jul 29 05:23:48 mostly just keeping a ssh connection up Jul 29 05:25:35 do i need to do anything special other than add follow the instructions on http://maemo.org/development/tools/chinook/ RST38h ? Jul 29 05:30:10 guys diablo apps can work on chinnok too? Jul 29 05:31:21 ? Jul 29 05:31:44 hello Jul 29 05:32:58 hi anyone here Jul 29 05:33:11 I need some help, I am trying to upgrade to Diablo and I got this on the flasher-3.0 Jul 29 05:33:21 Write failed after 0 bytes Jul 29 05:33:21 usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable Jul 29 05:33:56 L* Jul 29 05:34:01 :( * Jul 29 05:35:20 it seems like the repository should have it, but in fact it doesn't.. perhaps i will need to manually download Jul 29 05:35:48 I did some googling and they suggest to remove the memory card but they are already removed Jul 29 05:35:49 actually it is downloadable for os2007, but not for 2008 it seems Jul 29 05:36:25 is it bad practice to install something meant for os2007 on os2008? Jul 29 05:39:14 can I manually browse a repo? Jul 29 05:39:32 yeah just go to the site Jul 29 05:40:55 giving me access denied Jul 29 05:40:56 :S Jul 29 05:41:09 neah Jul 29 05:41:17 look on the wiki Jul 29 05:41:44 nitapps seems to have it for download Jul 29 05:41:46 gona try that Jul 29 05:41:54 hope it doesn't mess up my apt Jul 29 05:47:45 Hi ! Jul 29 05:48:05 k... done Jul 29 05:48:20 although it seems like iwconfig wlan0 txpower doesn't do anything Jul 29 05:50:44 diablo apps can work on chinnok too? Jul 29 05:51:45 some packages aren't recommended Jul 29 05:52:04 well can it hurts my chinook? Jul 29 05:52:11 yes Jul 29 05:52:38 but why not use diablo ? Jul 29 05:54:40 it needs flash yes? Jul 29 05:54:50 or just a simple update? Jul 29 05:54:56 yes Jul 29 05:55:33 which one? Jul 29 05:56:59 it seems like this is futile for some reason Jul 29 05:57:18 iwlist txpower returns wlan0 unknown transmit-power information. Jul 29 05:57:41 wonder if it's a hardware issue :/ Jul 29 05:57:56 but how does the gui change it from 100 to 10mw then? Jul 29 06:00:47 Anyone around? Jul 29 06:02:00 Spaceman-N810, i am hehe Jul 29 06:02:04 Spaceman-N810, i finally got an n810 Jul 29 06:02:16 now just fiddling with iwconfig to see if i can change txpower Jul 29 06:02:35 Spaceman-N810, it's definitely a nice toy Jul 29 06:02:44 Awesome Jul 29 06:03:01 Mine has been really glitchy lately though Jul 29 06:03:04 :) Jul 29 06:03:09 Spaceman-N810, how so? Jul 29 06:03:23 i'm beginning to fill it up with junk tho Jul 29 06:03:32 wireless-tools don't seem to work properly Jul 29 06:03:50 Nav randomly crashes web is resetting options and dropping cookies, gpe is having malformed db issues Jul 29 06:03:59 they will not Jul 29 06:04:18 RST38h, why not? Jul 29 06:04:40 there is a way to change txpower i am sure, because the gui does it, but restricts you to 10 or 100 mW Jul 29 06:04:46 nokia wifi driver is proprietary and does not seem to support many features Jul 29 06:04:57 ah that might explain it Jul 29 06:05:01 What about aircrack? Jul 29 06:05:13 what;s aircrack? Jul 29 06:05:26 spaceman: search for it on itt Jul 29 06:05:34 RST38h, well any ideas how the nokia driver might do it? Jul 29 06:05:35 Itt? Jul 29 06:05:35 probably wont work Jul 29 06:05:45 pppoe: nope Jul 29 06:05:45 Hmm Jul 29 06:06:05 It would have to be compiled for an arm proc, no? Jul 29 06:06:09 oh well Jul 29 06:06:12 bye Jul 29 06:06:33 I'm hoping someone compiles ubuntu mobile for ARM Jul 29 06:06:45 maybe 10 mW isn't bad for health Jul 29 06:07:38 but apparently cell phones don't even transmit at that most of the time Jul 29 06:08:02 although it's been very hard for me to find good comparison charts Jul 29 06:08:07 Oh, and this thing randomly tells me im out of space Jul 29 06:08:13 there is a ARM Ubuntu Jul 29 06:08:46 i think perhaps the most thing i like about my new toy is the little colour LED in the corner Jul 29 06:09:19 I wonder how much an 8gb minisd card is at bestbuy and the like Jul 29 06:09:44 Pppoe_dude - i turned mine off Jul 29 06:09:49 more than by mailorder Jul 29 06:09:53 Bugs me when i try to sleep Jul 29 06:09:54 Spaceman-N810, really? :) Jul 29 06:09:55 probably 2x cost at bestbuy Jul 29 06:09:56 hehe Jul 29 06:10:00 keeps me company Jul 29 06:10:16 i hate uncertainty Jul 29 06:10:40 like... i wanna use my tablet to make phone calls, but i'm not sure if the headset carries the RF like an antenna Jul 29 06:10:42 Rst - hard to do using only this n810 Jul 29 06:10:45 like some articles speculated Jul 29 06:11:14 My mom took my laptop for reading bash.org Jul 29 06:11:27 im just paranoid. i should probably not be as paranoid Jul 29 06:11:58 if i had one of those power meters that measure RF radiation i can be sure Jul 29 06:12:21 Oh, and my battery meter doesn't update any more Jul 29 06:12:30 I need to reflash Jul 29 06:12:36 Spaceman-N810, probably Jul 29 06:12:49 But that's rather hard to do with no computer Jul 29 06:13:00 n810 is like a computer Jul 29 06:13:33 I can't reflash a device using itself... Jul 29 06:13:43 hmmm Jul 29 06:14:13 maybe if you had two of them Jul 29 06:14:15 Unless there's a voodoo trick i don't know about Jul 29 06:14:26 if geeks are more likely to use wifi, then it makes sense that _if_ wifi causes health problems, then it would be correlated to geekiness, no? Jul 29 06:14:52 No Jul 29 06:15:21 anyway, i wonder when os2009 will come out Jul 29 06:15:23 You walk into wificlouds all the time and never know about it or utilize it Jul 29 06:15:42 wifi is not causing health problems. Jul 29 06:16:02 But it may still effect you, assumint it causes health problems Jul 29 06:16:28 well Jul 29 06:16:36 im gona have fun with my new toy Jul 29 06:16:39 well, if you assume certain things you can deduce a lot of weird stuff Jul 29 06:18:04 but if you think of it a bit more you will see that 100mW is equivalent to 2 small leds Jul 29 06:18:21 ? Jul 29 06:18:33 ya but the frequency is higher Jul 29 06:18:42 so? Jul 29 06:18:58 im not sure, not an expert Jul 29 06:19:07 lol Jul 29 06:19:07 you are still not being irradiated with enough energy to cause any changes Jul 29 06:19:09 but i know that microwaves are bad Jul 29 06:19:32 sometimes bad anyway Jul 29 06:19:32 and 100mW is at the surface of you skin when holding the antenna Jul 29 06:20:11 how much radiation is emitted from CRT screens? Jul 29 06:20:21 maybe if you stick it in some bodily orifice....for days... Jul 29 06:20:43 pppoe: cant say for sure, check google Jul 29 06:20:52 Anyone here who has booked plane travel for the summit with the sponsorship? Jul 29 06:22:23 seems like a different kind of radiation Jul 29 06:22:37 yep Jul 29 06:22:53 crts give out some xrays I think Jul 29 06:22:57 not a lot though Jul 29 06:25:34 ya Jul 29 06:25:41 plus normal radiation Jul 29 06:26:09 my grandpa used to sit in front of his ol' crt tv for hours Jul 29 06:26:15 he lived til like.. 90 somthing Jul 29 06:26:27 quod erat demosntrandum Jul 29 06:26:28 haha Jul 29 06:26:52 mind you he was a happy man Jul 29 06:29:31 why would we be not allowed to use GPS on airplanes? Jul 29 06:30:51 i mean, isn't it receive-only? Jul 29 06:30:53 is it denied somewhere? I don't recall seeing anything denying it.. Jul 29 06:33:19 i have been on planes where it is in the "ALWAYS DENIED" list Jul 29 06:33:28 and also where it was in the "after takeoff" list Jul 29 06:33:41 so... >_> Jul 29 06:34:18 in our flights, wireless transmissions are denied always and electronic devices during the take offs and landings, but nothing denies using electronic devices during the flight Jul 29 06:34:30 including gps Jul 29 06:34:45 i see those 'restrictions' as bullshit , if cell phones/ bt/ gps was a real concern on planes, a terrorist could use those to take it down Jul 29 06:34:55 lol Jul 29 06:35:07 yeah "omg i'm a terrorist, i turned on my wifi, FEEL MY WRATH!!!" Jul 29 06:35:13 * rm_you waits Jul 29 06:36:09 bt/gps are no real concern on the planes Jul 29 06:36:18 water bottles are more dangerous than cell phones acourding to airport security Jul 29 06:36:23 cell phones may be of some concern when initiating a call Jul 29 06:36:57 The current restrictions are based on inconclusive study results, FAA just decided to err on the side of safety Jul 29 06:37:49 so a real terrorist would have to follow the hounor rule and not use his cell ph Jul 29 06:40:46 there are so many things a real terrorist can do, that in 10 more years they will have to strip passengers naked, fixate them in their seats and sedate them for the duration of the flight Jul 29 06:42:26 i wouldnt mind being unconscious Jul 29 06:42:30 that would be neat actually Jul 29 06:42:38 i'm totally down Jul 29 06:43:03 you mean like in the movie 5th element? Jul 29 06:43:13 fly while "asleep" Jul 29 06:43:20 sure Jul 29 06:43:21 Plane full ofr unconscious and naked people, 12hrs... Jul 29 06:43:22 No cell phones has nothing to do w terrorism Jul 29 06:43:36 i would love to be put to sleep for the duration of my flight Jul 29 06:43:41 i'd *PAY* for that service Jul 29 06:43:54 * RST38h would love the rest of the passengers to be put to sleep for the duration of his flight Jul 29 06:43:58 Has to do w interfering with comm and navigation instruments Jul 29 06:44:09 Spaceman: Does not really Jul 29 06:44:23 There was a study. Its results were inconclusive. Jul 29 06:44:34 I think they're more likely to put v-chips or shock collars on all passengers and assign guards Jul 29 06:44:38 Spaceman-N810: right, but we're just saying, if it was ACTUALLY a big deal, terrorists would just turn on their cell phones Jul 29 06:44:44 XTLi: too expensive Jul 29 06:44:59 Ah, i get it rm_you Jul 29 06:45:33 yea, so the reason for no bt/gps/wifi usage is bullshit Jul 29 06:47:37 Would rather err to caution than screw up critical nav components Jul 29 06:48:13 i'm sure a trouble maker/terrorist is thinking the same thing Jul 29 06:48:34 Your chances of screwing nav components are very close to nil Jul 29 06:48:52 Probably lower than chances of a bird flying into your airplane's engine Jul 29 06:49:10 Rst - that actually happens Jul 29 06:49:22 Yes. And the first event does not =) Jul 29 06:50:05 So, if you ARE gonna die in an airplane crash, the reasons are likely to be mechanical =) Jul 29 06:50:51 So basically, your arguement is - the studies are inconclusive, and the terrorists do it, so just allow cell phones on planes... Jul 29 06:51:22 well in low vis conditions I'd still prefer to not have the ILS screwed with Jul 29 06:51:49 hi trickie|work Jul 29 06:51:59 lardman: moring Jul 29 06:52:07 morning even Jul 29 06:52:11 no coffee yet Jul 29 06:52:15 Also, the probability of a cell phone actually working at 30,000ft are not good, considering that communication with a tower is line of sight Jul 29 06:52:15 :) Jul 29 06:52:36 what i am saying is if those interference reasons are valid, they would not let you carry on a cell ph in the cabin, they would make in check it in Jul 29 06:52:39 Spaceman-N810: I thought the issue was that the phone would see too many towers...? Jul 29 06:52:56 Spaceman: My argument is that if you can't prove something happening then do not assume it does Jul 29 06:53:05 also i think towers use directional xmitters - not much energy aimed up Jul 29 06:53:33 Gsm at least Jul 29 06:53:53 They have done studies which show there is no interference anyway, but I suppose it's partly being safe rather than sorry, perhaps something to do with seeing too many towers, and a way of making you use the very expensive card phones too ;) Jul 29 06:54:00 Rst, consider too that there are so many different devices that yhou can't test all of them Jul 29 06:54:11 Spaceman: Actually you can Jul 29 06:54:20 Spaceman: That is what FCC is for Jul 29 06:54:38 So all devices have to be retested... Jul 29 06:54:42 some of us don't live in the US Jul 29 06:54:44 Not really Jul 29 06:54:44 $$$ Jul 29 06:55:12 lardman: Then it is called differently where you live, but all electronics still gets tested Jul 29 06:55:34 RST38h: hopefully Jul 29 06:55:38 Right.. Jul 29 06:55:45 Spaceman: Once again: testing results for the current breed of devices satisfying FCC limits on emissions have been inconclusive Jul 29 06:55:48 No need to retest Jul 29 06:57:14 Inconclusive != Safe. Inconclusive != Unsafe. Calls for good judgement, and the faa has used their best judgement on the matter Jul 29 06:57:48 Exactly. And we all ended up with moronic restrictions that do not do a thing. Jul 29 06:58:29 Honestly, does it kill people this much to not use their phones for a few hours? Jul 29 06:58:35 why take the risk of even allowing passengers having wifi devices/cell phones inside the cabin? common sense tells me cause it isnt a risk Jul 29 06:59:05 There's too many variables Jul 29 06:59:25 tank: It is just an oversight Jul 29 06:59:34 They all have ot be confiscated Jul 29 06:59:56 Spaceman: Regulations don't kill people, just bugger them to death Jul 29 07:00:08 So does life... Jul 29 07:00:28 No reason to make it harder. Jul 29 07:00:59 By not allowing cell phones? Jul 29 07:01:19 I work a drive thru. I hate the buggers like you have no idea Jul 29 07:01:26 By not allowing people on a 12-hour flight to use electronics Jul 29 07:01:34 Just think of the rude ppls of this world Jul 29 07:01:49 By taking their water and toothpaste and juice Jul 29 07:02:01 Spaceman-N810: You want a GSM signal blocker then :) Jul 29 07:02:07 By searching them like if they were terrorist Jul 29 07:02:19 Imagine a 500lb woman w a beard having phone sex next to you Jul 29 07:02:28 By confiscating f@#king hairpins from stewardesses (yes, it happens) Jul 29 07:02:41 Signal blockers are illegal, unfortunately Jul 29 07:02:59 Ok, so we've made a jump Jul 29 07:03:09 Between safety and anti-terror Jul 29 07:03:17 They overlap in some wayhs Jul 29 07:03:20 By making them take off their shoes (!) and unbag their computers at the head of a2-hour line in the airport Jul 29 07:03:23 But not all Jul 29 07:03:24 * ricko73 stabs Spaceman-N810 for that lovely thought as I go to bed Jul 29 07:03:30 Should I continue? Jul 29 07:03:49 Sure, why not? Jul 29 07:03:51 Jk Jul 29 07:03:59 the rules are silly, especially the plastic knives Jul 29 07:04:03 enjoy your safety Jul 29 07:05:09 Hi ! Jul 29 07:05:22 Well, think of it this way. A terrorist is not concerned with the way something is designed to be used, but the way it can be used Jul 29 07:05:53 Spaceman: One more time: just about ANYTHING can be used to cause harm Jul 29 07:06:24 A plastic knife is designed to be used to cut green beans, but it can be sharpened Jul 29 07:06:27 And once you start making assumptions that it WILL be used, there is no end Jul 29 07:06:39 Spaceman-N810: terrorists should use Newark then, you can eat your steak airside with a steak knife Jul 29 07:06:43 My car key can be sharpened and used ot kill you in-flight Jul 29 07:06:44 don't pull out your stylus on the N810 Jul 29 07:06:58 Or I can take your eye out with a pencil Jul 29 07:07:08 I think it's a little crazy too, but it's life, and i get used to it, specifically by not flying... Jul 29 07:07:15 Wait until you succumb to sleep in your seat, you know... Jul 29 07:07:28 Spaceman: Oh, you are not flying... Jul 29 07:07:30 the main annoyance is the 100ml rule (3oz is that?) Jul 29 07:07:57 Rst, i choose to fly in cessnas... Jul 29 07:08:11 And not often, i don't have my license yet Jul 29 07:08:16 Spaceman: And those are more safe? No terorists aboard? :) Jul 29 07:08:44 Finally i found time to come to berlin ... Jul 29 07:08:53 maybe i still can get sponsorship Jul 29 07:09:17 Well-regulated at least Jul 29 07:10:17 Rst - pretty sure Jul 29 07:18:29 is there a handy C fn to return the fractional part of a number (other than using fmod() or subtracting the floor()'d value?)? Jul 29 07:27:28 lardman: Subtracting the floor is where it's at Jul 29 07:27:28 At least, I've never seen anything better Jul 29 07:27:50 floor on a float should be quick though, should "just" be discarding the decimal bits (I can never remember if the mantissa is the bit before or after the decimal point) Jul 29 07:28:40 lardman, ive seen some routine which uses bitshifts and masks, but that was a loooooooong time ago Jul 29 07:28:56 dneary: yeah, that's what I'd assumed from the lack of responses, thanks :) Jul 29 07:29:13 mornin dneary Jul 29 07:29:13 lardman: I would have assumed "no-one around" myself ;) Jul 29 07:29:19 lcuk: sounds nasty Jul 29 07:29:29 dneary: ah well :) Jul 29 07:29:35 lardman: And, in general, manipulating floats with bitshifts is dangerous... Jul 29 07:29:41 would work though - depending on the hardware you get speed Jul 29 07:30:16 dneary: yeah tell me about it, that's how Octave used to fail to detect the endianness of the Sharp Zaurus Jul 29 07:30:27 lcuk: AFAIK, you need to assume some kind of in-memory representation of floats - IEEE is probably safe enough for most processors & OSes, but not all Jul 29 07:30:54 not for fpa though Jul 29 07:31:10 fpa is always bigendian, no matter the processor endianness Jul 29 07:31:42 lardman: modf() Jul 29 07:31:54 Breaks the floating-point number x into integer and fraction components. Jul 29 07:31:55 The returned value is the fraction component (part after the decimal), and sets integer to the integer component. Jul 29 07:32:05 double modf(double x, double *integer); Jul 29 07:33:01 RST38h: thanks, I was after something without a struct returned, plus that's probably overkill Jul 29 07:33:47 RST38h: Yes, that will work too. Is modf C89/C99? Jul 29 07:34:19 Manual says it is part of math.h Jul 29 07:34:25 Nothing more Jul 29 07:34:44 modulus is slow though Jul 29 07:36:26 Not really Jul 29 07:36:47 fmod is modulus 10 and that is usually easy to do given float representation Jul 29 07:47:13 morning all Jul 29 07:47:19 hi Jul 29 07:47:30 What's that function to get current time in miliseconds? Jul 29 07:47:35 I thought it was utime Jul 29 07:48:21 that's file access time IIRC Jul 29 07:48:25 yep Jul 29 07:48:32 Yeah Jul 29 07:48:39 Figured that out from the man page :) Jul 29 07:48:51 :) Jul 29 07:49:22 Thinking of usleep maybe Jul 29 07:49:37 pffff my mantis bugtracker has just been spammed Jul 29 07:49:38 pfff Jul 29 07:49:43 http://www.meangene.com/notes/time.html Jul 29 07:49:53 I'd start from gettimeofday but can't remember details Jul 29 07:49:56 dneary, gettimeofday? Jul 29 07:50:52 I'm timing a function, want to get mili or microseconds rather than seconds Jul 29 07:51:02 gettimeofday might do... Jul 29 07:51:05 thanks luogni Jul 29 07:51:09 np! Jul 29 07:51:30 also ftime? Jul 29 07:51:50 I imagine there's timing tools, too. Or at least recipes Jul 29 07:52:50 ftime() is obsoleted Jul 29 07:52:55 by gettimeofday() Jul 29 07:53:11 clock()? Jul 29 07:53:23 dneary, there is no way to do it properly for one function run Jul 29 07:53:41 clock() works in terms of context switches Jul 29 07:53:55 process time then? Jul 29 07:54:06 for one function call? :) Jul 29 07:54:09 or number of switches? Jul 29 07:54:25 process time Jul 29 07:54:36 Gprof? :) Jul 29 07:54:38 although it is still related to the number of scheduler switches Jul 29 07:54:58 gprof is a better idea but unless that function gets called often you will not get good results Jul 29 08:00:08 lardman: How does the floor bit work for negative numbers? Jul 29 08:00:18 lard: Do you need round() instead? Jul 29 08:00:34 -3.1 - floor(-3.1) = 0.9 Jul 29 08:01:27 294,51 Euros to come to berlin ... Jul 29 08:01:28 huhu Jul 29 08:03:03 oh! there is also ACCESS at osimworld Jul 29 08:03:16 Khertan: Yup Jul 29 08:03:23 You know people at access? Jul 29 08:03:54 no .. :) Jul 29 08:04:07 dneary: floor is ok as I'm always positive, thanks though Jul 29 08:08:51 lardman: Looks like floor is a little slower than modf Jul 29 08:09:21 interesting Jul 29 08:12:52 jott: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdf417decode/ good to see Jul 29 08:14:18 Morning, all Jul 29 08:14:31 hello, Jaffa Jul 29 08:14:38 hi Jaffa Jul 29 08:20:21 easyjet : 142 Euros ... AirFrance : 300 Euros Jul 29 08:20:30 choice is fast to made :) Jul 29 08:20:48 I bet Air France give you a free drink though ;) Jul 29 08:20:52 I'm just guessing here... but I predict AirFrance? Jul 29 08:21:56 lardman: btw, sorry about last night. my router got turned off. /me fumes. Jul 29 08:21:58 "qwerty12_N800: is it worse than the normal sbc encoder?" Jul 29 08:22:01 Yes :/ Jul 29 08:24:07 And sorry for bringing it up, I can see this doesn't go down well at this time :/ Jul 29 08:24:48 EasyJet Jul 29 08:24:53 Khertan: I have remove your 0.7* packages for homeip. Jul 29 08:25:08 qwerty12: no, that's ok Jul 29 08:25:10 Khertan: But still need to force a reindex to get the index updated. Jul 29 08:25:31 qwerty12: interesting, I'd thought the outputs were identical Jul 29 08:25:44 qwerty12: can you send me the file, or a part of the file to test with? Jul 29 08:26:11 lardman: Yeah, sure, but first I need to let the N800 charge up, I don't keep tracks on the computer :) Jul 29 08:26:23 yeah no probs, this evening is fine Jul 29 08:26:54 Great, thanks Jul 29 08:27:06 * lardman prepares his eardrums for a beating :) Jul 29 08:27:34 Hehe :P Jul 29 08:28:22 so what is the difference in the sound then? Jul 29 08:29:18 the normal encoder plays it quite normally, but with the dsp-sbc, it goes quite distorted i.e I can't really hear the lyrics Jul 29 08:29:36 so not a speed problem then? Jul 29 08:29:40 morning Jul 29 08:29:45 is it clipped, do you hear static Jul 29 08:29:47 hi hrw Jul 29 08:30:18 lardman: No, the speed is fine. I don't seem to remember hearing any static. I'll grab the headphones and try again later to make sure Jul 29 08:30:48 qwerty12: no worries, I'll have a listen this evening and see/hear for myself anyway Jul 29 08:31:11 :) Jul 29 08:31:40 Meanwhile, I may as well find use for these red bull freebie anaglyph glasses I got at the cinema :P Jul 29 08:32:03 what film was that? Jul 29 08:33:10 lardman: I got it when I went to The O2. They had an advert on about the red bull air race and it was in 3d. Jul 29 08:33:43 * qwerty12 thinks this could be fun on me Nokia : http://www.jfedor.org/red-blue-quake2/ Jul 29 08:34:13 cool :) Jul 29 08:34:27 bring on the PowerVR so you can get >1fps Jul 29 08:35:26 :P, Good point actually, dunno about the speed. Still, I may as well have a go, I've gone and made a patch now :P Jul 29 08:35:43 I might have to make some of those glasses Jul 29 08:35:59 hmm, I think I have a pair in a National Geographic about Mars actually Jul 29 08:36:25 Cool :) Jul 29 08:39:02 Ouch. The entire Makefile is ripped out >.<. Time to get KDiff running :/ Jul 29 08:45:57 hrw: Happy 035 to me now. 0x20 sounds cooler though ;) Jul 29 08:46:19 Blafasel: all the best then Jul 29 08:46:35 lardman: on #oe there was someone interested in building octave Jul 29 08:50:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3450 Jul 29 08:50:36 lol i can search ! Jul 29 08:55:55 hrw: I saw his email last week but was away, will reply to him today Jul 29 08:55:57 thanks Jul 29 08:56:34 Blafasel: happy birthday Jul 29 08:56:35 GeneralAntilles: Sounds like a job for you :) https://maemo.org/news/jobs/view/1217319589.html Jul 29 08:57:20 bbiab Jul 29 09:09:29 X-Fade > does could recruit dev in france on maemo ? Jul 29 09:09:40 s/does/does nokia Jul 29 09:10:05 Khertan: I don't know. Jul 29 09:10:16 :) Jul 29 09:10:30 do u have get my pv this morning ? Jul 29 09:10:48 Khertan: Yes and I replied in this channel ;) Jul 29 09:11:13 lol ... i ll search in the web log :) Jul 29 09:11:27 lol not needed Jul 29 09:11:40 thanks a lot x-fade Jul 29 09:11:49 i ve see that you have deleted the package Jul 29 09:11:55 Khertan: You could try indirectly... Jul 29 09:12:11 dneary> :) Jul 29 09:12:20 dneary > i ve just send you an email ;) Jul 29 09:12:22 Khertan: Opened Hand have recruited in France in the past, and Openismus are looking for people Jul 29 09:12:38 Khertan: But you might have to move to Germany for that Jul 29 09:13:02 if it just less than 20 times by years ... why not Jul 29 09:13:30 dneary == nearyd ? Jul 29 09:13:56 yes it is ;) Jul 29 09:15:32 dneary = dneary Jul 29 09:15:42 You'll have to be clearer :) Jul 29 09:17:50 but don't want to reveal all details about nearyd@ Jul 29 09:17:51 :) Jul 29 09:28:23 * bef0rd just upgraded to diablo Jul 29 09:31:56 ARRGH, I shouldn't have enabled the anaglyph compiz plugin, now my eyes kill >.< Jul 29 09:32:37 lol Jul 29 09:35:25 * qwerty12 is not amused. :P. plascolin compiles for the tablets, now to try and map the buttons... Jul 29 09:43:13 Hmm, how do I get GDK keyboard values? I can see that 65307 = esc, but xev does not give me 65307 when I press esc. Jul 29 09:44:33 qwerty12: it is the "keysym" - xev prints this in hex. Jul 29 09:44:51 qwerty12, /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h Jul 29 09:45:12 nomis: Ahh, thanks, I didn't realise. Jul 29 09:45:16 wnd: Even easier, thanks Jul 29 09:45:20 yeah, using gdkkeysyms.h is the sane way to go. Jul 29 09:59:36 ~lart garage svn for being super slow again Jul 29 09:59:36 * infobot drops a baby grand on garage svn for being super slow again Jul 29 10:00:58 jott: It is exporting the www dirs for projects.. Heavy load on svn. Jul 29 10:01:12 Yes ! i can come to berlin ! Jul 29 10:01:17 thx to nokia ! Jul 29 10:01:56 X-Fade: the commit is still transmitting (over 2 minutes now) :( Jul 29 10:02:22 * jott hopes not to break stuff with timeouts Jul 29 10:02:35 and all people organizating the maemo summit Jul 29 10:02:47 Khertan: nice. Jul 29 10:02:56 jott: Projects like qt4 have a massive repositroy in their homedir. This really kills performance :( Jul 29 10:03:12 * jott commits to qt4 at the moment :P Jul 29 10:03:34 6122 ? D 2:19 svn export --force file:///svnroot/qt4/www /var/www/homedirs/groups/qt4 Jul 29 10:03:38 ;) Jul 29 10:03:57 :) Jul 29 10:04:02 this will not help : Jul 29 10:04:11 -: Jul 29 10:04:12 hehe that's probably locking the commit ;) Jul 29 10:04:21 or at least stalling it Jul 29 10:04:40 * jott tries to be patient :) Jul 29 10:05:31 jott: I'm working with Antonio to get it in extras. So we can remove the repo from svn ;) Jul 29 10:06:13 X-Fade: yeah i know. i'm just commiting some nice hildonize/theme patches ;) Jul 29 10:06:15 But it seems that he forgot to add some build-depends, so it needs to be packaged again. Jul 29 10:06:30 ah speaking of. would it be possible to document the autobuilder setup? Jul 29 10:06:44 so one could setup an autobuilder on a local machine to test if everything is in order? Jul 29 10:06:47 What do you want to know? Jul 29 10:06:51 Ah.. Jul 29 10:06:53 That is easy. Jul 29 10:06:57 Clean sdk install. Jul 29 10:07:02 that is it. Jul 29 10:07:27 Our autobuilder installs a clean sdk every time. So you start without any dependencies. Jul 29 10:07:47 ah ok it just uses the plain sdk. Jul 29 10:08:12 Yes, and it downloads only the deps based on your Build-depends etc. Jul 29 10:08:13 still might be nice to have this automated (like autobuilder already does). Jul 29 10:08:28 So if it is not in the sdk by default, you need to specify them. Jul 29 10:08:34 yes, sure. Jul 29 10:08:41 Download the vmware image? Jul 29 10:09:16 hum? Jul 29 10:09:49 Committed revision 168. woot. still 6 patches to go :) Jul 29 10:09:57 You can use the same snapshot every time then. Jul 29 10:10:17 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jul 29 10:10:41 Hmm, only this one is not updated for diablo it seems. Jul 29 10:10:42 yeah sure but that does not sound very automated ;) Jul 29 10:11:28 i think it would be nice if one could just dput a package to localhost. Jul 29 10:11:41 jott: Check this autobuilder log. It doesnt't do anything extra. https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/openafs_1.4.7-maemo3/armel.root.log.OK.txt Jul 29 10:13:59 jott: The incoming queue handling is done with buildme. That is in garage svn too: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=602 Jul 29 10:14:08 ah nice, thanks. Jul 29 10:14:30 Feel free to improve ;) Jul 29 10:15:31 X-Fade: so was it you that told me why i couldnt log in to the wiki? Jul 29 10:16:20 rm_you: Not me. Jul 29 10:19:04 hrm Jul 29 10:19:11 it says my account doesnt exist Jul 29 10:19:16 but it totally does >_> Jul 29 10:19:21 X-Fade: help? :P Jul 29 10:19:38 rm_you: Did you try on https? Jul 29 10:19:54 hrm Jul 29 10:21:01 Login error:There is no user by the name "rm_you". Check your spelling. Jul 29 10:21:14 but that is my user on every other maemo login Jul 29 10:21:20 * rm_you is confused Jul 29 10:21:29 i'm also a bit tipsy right now so maybe that is it :P Jul 29 10:23:04 don't use the command 'rm' to erase the user 'you' Jul 29 10:23:07 ! Jul 29 10:23:34 .... .... oO° Jul 29 10:23:35 :) Jul 29 10:24:11 by the way, isn't that a major bug Jul 29 10:24:12 rm_you: And you are sure your passwd is ok? :) Jul 29 10:24:23 "there isno user by the name "$USERNAME"" Jul 29 10:24:27 I mean... really ? Jul 29 10:24:51 once they have the username, they can just start guessing passwords Jul 29 10:24:53 X-Fade: fairly Jul 29 10:24:59 but it says no user by the name rm_you Jul 29 10:25:36 I think it also says that when your passwd is wrong. Jul 29 10:25:48 hrmrm Jul 29 10:26:11 none of my passwords work Jul 29 10:26:46 mediawiki says "incorrect password" when the users exists and the password is wrong Jul 29 10:27:17 ok so i think i am fine Jul 29 10:27:26 jott, which is the correct behaviour Jul 29 10:27:30 downed 4 pints of hef in 10 minutes Jul 29 10:27:46 lol Jul 29 10:28:08 You shoudn't be allowed to edit the wiki in that state anyway ;) Jul 29 10:29:45 * jott actually thought it wasn't allowed to edit a wiki sober :P Jul 29 10:30:57 yeehaa an other commit done, four to go Jul 29 10:31:05 lol yeah, my friend bouyght the pitcher Jul 29 10:31:29 and by the time his first glass was empty, so was the pitchetr ^_^ Jul 29 10:31:52 pwnt Jul 29 10:32:04 training for germany, eh? :) Jul 29 10:32:11 yeah :P Jul 29 10:32:14 * towo smirks. Jul 29 10:32:23 jott: Should I kill the svn export ;) Jul 29 10:32:32 *shall Jul 29 10:32:34 I find it amusing how many drunks you find on IRC, when clearly, IRC is nowhere near my drunk-state of mind. Jul 29 10:32:35 Oh, the Summit is at C-Base... Okay Oo Jul 29 10:32:59 towo: Familiar with C-Base? Jul 29 10:33:01 X-Fade: ah let it go, as long as the commits come through i am fine. Jul 29 10:33:41 towo: yeah so it's either club mate or beer :) Jul 29 10:33:56 Bit of a bugger, since I'm Cologne-based. ;) Jul 29 10:34:37 jott, you want to hit a club in Berlin ? Jul 29 10:34:39 towo: well it's not *that* far away (compared to rm_yous location for example :) Jul 29 10:35:21 Well, yes, but still. *g* Jul 29 10:35:35 crashanddie: hm yeah we'll see. maybe we all keep stucked at c-base anyway. you know, music, beer, w-lan. :) Jul 29 10:35:55 well Jul 29 10:36:04 He has motivation, but for me it'd just be a side trip. ;) Jul 29 10:36:07 you forgot one Jul 29 10:36:19 jott, liqbase :P Jul 29 10:37:28 Well, I'm really not a clubber Jul 29 10:38:07 hm, does maemo have a fat fs check tool by default? Jul 29 10:38:13 windows b0rked my card Jul 29 10:38:22 not by default Jul 29 10:38:25 but it's in the repo Jul 29 10:38:40 apt-cache search fs | grep tools Jul 29 10:39:37 who's the owner of phonelink here? Jul 29 10:41:13 the owner of phonelink? Oo Jul 29 10:41:50 There _might_ be a maintainer here - whose mail address you can look up with apt-cache show phonelink or in the application catalogue with the info screen. Jul 29 10:41:58 crashanddie: ha, i connected over bluetooth and gprs to install dosfstools, is it already installed :) Jul 29 10:42:09 * aquatix does an fs check Jul 29 10:42:37 towo lol well the creator Jul 29 10:43:16 You know a cellular service provider is desperate to find arguments to sell their offer when they cite "FREE SIM CARD" as one of the features Jul 29 10:43:42 :) Jul 29 10:43:50 that's desperate indeed Jul 29 10:43:59 like i'm going to pay for such a chip Jul 29 10:44:20 free sim card with 2GB flashram on board is another story ;) Jul 29 10:45:37 mmcblk0 is the external card on n810 right? Jul 29 10:47:20 haha Jul 29 10:47:39 "bring your own sim-card discount phone service" Jul 29 10:48:16 glass: lol Jul 29 10:48:36 hm, dosfsck says `osso_mem_saw_enable failed' :/ Jul 29 10:48:51 aquatix: I thinks the 0 is the internal Jul 29 10:48:52 -s Jul 29 10:49:06 oh Jul 29 10:49:13 mmcblk0 -> mmc2, mmcblk1 -> mmc1 Jul 29 10:49:51 well, same error though Jul 29 10:49:58 * lardman wonders if there's a weather app which has radar images Jul 29 10:50:15 lardman, could be implemented into maemo mapper Jul 29 10:50:38 as an overlay, hmm, nice Jul 29 10:51:32 I seem to remember there was some sort of library/skeleton to grab maps, I must see if I can find that (unless Maemo mapper has something similar) Jul 29 10:52:54 maemo mapper as a more or less generic framework to fetch tile based maps. Jul 29 10:53:38 if you just have one single radar image it might be a bit overhead ;) Jul 29 10:53:40 It would be good to be able to add arbitrary overlays - traffic I saw in the enhancments page, locations of friends from some location api would be good, etc. Jul 29 10:56:13 have you seen viking http://viking.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page Jul 29 10:56:41 lardman: there is something for qt. http://www.medieninf.de/qmapcontrol/ :) Jul 29 10:56:53 moo, all Jul 29 10:56:55 it does arbitraty overlays and it's C/gtk+ Jul 29 10:57:31 wtf, after a power cycle, the n810 thinks the card is just fine Jul 29 10:57:36 oh well Jul 29 10:57:37 yeah, that's just the sort of thing that would facilitate some cool apps Jul 29 10:58:03 I'm sure someone ported it to maemo Jul 29 10:58:37 I was looking for something to show traces on my desktop (my bt747 GPS arrived - thanks GA) Jul 29 10:58:46 it's not bad Jul 29 10:59:37 has this (or similar) been implemented anywhere? http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html Jul 29 11:01:49 lardman: replies to http://www.mail-archive.com/jdev@jabber.org/msg20192.html have some Jul 29 11:02:02 but i'm not sure whether the server support it Jul 29 11:02:15 <__t> jott: crashanddie rm_you there are 3 big clubs less then 500 meters away from c-base. Jul 29 11:02:21 aquatix: thanks, I'll take a look Jul 29 11:04:41 __t: swim to the other waterside? :p Jul 29 11:06:36 as long as the river is made of beer i think we should try to swim Jul 29 11:06:42 <__t> yeah, or walk on the water. but there is sage-club and the new location of thelegendary tresor on this site of the river Jul 29 11:07:30 <__t> lcuk: its made of beer ... but cheap german lager for export only. Jul 29 11:07:33 Beer? Where? ;) Jul 29 11:07:59 lcuk: bubbles in the river will make you sink Jul 29 11:08:06 __t ewww, need to find a better upstream provider Jul 29 11:08:14 boobies in the river? Jul 29 11:08:19 they float! Jul 29 11:08:35 life preserver! Jul 29 11:09:06 beer - ugh. Sweet cocktails.... mmmm Jul 29 11:09:29 <__t> no worries, beside the german beers (becks, berliner) we have some tchech beer at c-base called cerna hora. Jul 29 11:09:33 yer, but you cant put sweet cocktails on your cornflakes Jul 29 11:10:06 pina-colada and cornflakes sounds good to me... Jul 29 11:10:06 i shall expect hacker beer Jul 29 11:10:06 <__t> lcuk: that's pervert Jul 29 11:10:23 what the boobies or booze for breakfast? Jul 29 11:10:31 cornflakes Jul 29 11:10:39 lol Jul 29 11:11:03 <__t> booze for breakfast is some ok. but not within cornflakes. Jul 29 11:11:13 lol Jul 29 11:11:14 <__t> s/some/sometimes Jul 29 11:11:29 lardman: Seems like that XEP relies on clients mostly Jul 29 11:11:30 * rm_you watches Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog for like the 10th time Jul 29 11:11:54 mehehe Jul 29 11:12:00 Blafasel: Yep, they need to be able to send one another location data from the looks of it Jul 29 11:12:04 Instant fame for Miss Day, that show. Jul 29 11:12:19 I was just looking to see if Telepathy supports it, would be cool Jul 29 11:12:29 what does the maemo summit have to do with c-base? Jul 29 11:12:41 pupnik: it takes place at c-base :) Jul 29 11:12:42 venue Jul 29 11:13:05 lardman, telepathy supports anything. you just have to believe Jul 29 11:13:27 lcuk: believe that someone has implemented it? ;) Jul 29 11:13:53 it would need a big hole in the head to slide in an 8x0 Jul 29 11:14:01 i am going to have to make it there Jul 29 11:14:14 cycle across germany Jul 29 11:14:14 lardman: Cocinella claims to support that Jul 29 11:14:20 waving your trusty 810 Jul 29 11:14:30 I couldn't see any mention of it on the doc pages though Jul 29 11:14:30 pupnik: would be great if you'll manage it. Jul 29 11:14:30 lcuk: You can try the bottom socket though Jul 29 11:14:39 Anybody knows a tool to convert maps from Viking to Maemo Mapper? Jul 29 11:14:40 http://www.movsoftware.com/products/imov/imov_lbs.htm is the other one Jul 29 11:14:49 <__t> pupnik: how do you know c-base? Jul 29 11:14:52 nah, i found the db can do super saver tickets for 68 euro round trip all the way to berlin Jul 29 11:14:54 RST38h, that is an O port only Jul 29 11:15:03 friends in berlin __t - sidux fans, c3 etc Jul 29 11:15:04 no connector will fit Jul 29 11:15:58 Blafasel: http://coccinella.cvs.sourceforge.net/*checkout*/coccinella/coccinella/READMEs/README-xmpp it's in there though Jul 29 11:16:03 gah they are all sold out of Dr. Horrible T-Shirts Jul 29 11:16:14 and i'm drtunk and i want to buy one and i cant damnit Jul 29 11:16:15 __t: do you work at c-base? Jul 29 11:16:23 * rm_you sighs Jul 29 11:16:27 hey rm_you, how's datamatrix support? Jul 29 11:16:29 * rm_you sighs Jul 29 11:16:31 err Jul 29 11:16:37 oh that is right Jul 29 11:16:38 lol Jul 29 11:16:39 lol Jul 29 11:16:46 i thought i was spelling it wrong :P Jul 29 11:16:53 lardman: lol it is still... not working Jul 29 11:17:01 look at maemo-datamatrix.c in SVN Jul 29 11:17:05 figure out what is wrong Jul 29 11:17:09 :) Jul 29 11:17:16 ok Jul 29 11:17:19 jott: you about too? Jul 29 11:17:19 yay! :P Jul 29 11:17:29 lardman: i took it to the store today Jul 29 11:17:39 lardman: about 75% of the stuff in US stores scans Jul 29 11:17:43 and comes up in the DB Jul 29 11:17:46 basically Jul 29 11:17:55 75% of the stuff i tried to scan, worked Jul 29 11:17:55 oh, we have a db now do we> Jul 29 11:18:12 lardman: yeah the upcdatabase one. Jul 29 11:18:13 and 95% of the stuff I scanned that wasn't store-brand actually came up from the db Jul 29 11:18:23 cool Jul 29 11:18:31 had problems with barcodes on round objects like cans and jars Jul 29 11:18:33 <__t> jott: kind of, its not a place to work. its all volonteer based. but I do different stuff there. organising some maemo-summit for example. ;-) Jul 29 11:18:39 and things that were kinda bendy Jul 29 11:18:50 but there are more us products in, not that many german ones. Jul 29 11:18:52 i can see it now rm, "3 gallon tub of lube" BEEEEP "multipack small condoms" BEEEEEEP Jul 29 11:18:53 and a little bit of glare Jul 29 11:18:55 we need to work out a way of adding in other barcode methods to the working code - whether each should be sequentially tried, or a quick and dirty test should narrow it down Jul 29 11:19:10 lcuk: lol, you have such a dirty mind :P Jul 29 11:19:17 of course i do Jul 29 11:19:24 heh Jul 29 11:19:25 yeah Jul 29 11:19:38 __t: ah nice. i have to come around again, hadn't been there since the ubuntu party. Jul 29 11:19:42 i want to have a nice working GUI ready for demoing by summit time Jul 29 11:19:52 cool Jul 29 11:20:11 i will have a nice working gui :) i can now put multiple scrolling lists on a page and they dont stomp all over each other \o/ Jul 29 11:20:12 <__t> jott: the party after the linux-tag? Jul 29 11:20:26 __t: yes. Jul 29 11:20:44 lcuk: woo Jul 29 11:20:45 __t: but i had been there before some times :). Jul 29 11:20:54 (without a special event) Jul 29 11:21:01 <__t> maybe we seen each other. Jul 29 11:21:03 i will be distracted for a bit by the advanced-backlight control panel applet stuff Jul 29 11:21:06 but then i will be back Jul 29 11:21:07 rm_you, i had to rewrite most of the drawing routine thou.. Jul 29 11:21:10 also, moving back to school >_> Jul 29 11:22:45 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gspom/ so many Garage projects I didn't know existed Jul 29 11:23:00 __t: any day/event you would recommend in the next time to come by? Jul 29 11:23:42 lardman: hehe the hidden garage projects :) Jul 29 11:24:27 there was another cool one I was pointed to just before I went away too - allows you to masquerade as a BT headset, etc. Jul 29 11:24:31 Maybe there should be an "obscure garage project of the day" feed Jul 29 11:24:56 lardman: ooh, I always wanted that Jul 29 11:25:15 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/geojabber/ another one Jul 29 11:25:16 ! Jul 29 11:28:32 <__t> jott: I will be there tomorrow and work on a openser instance for c-base.org. but the electrobiker and the wavelan/freifunk community will also be there Jul 29 11:28:39 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/selfone/ Jul 29 11:28:45 yay flight confirmed Jul 29 11:29:37 that last one is un-search-for-able Jul 29 11:30:58 __t: electrobiker? this modded bikes with motors or what is this about? Jul 29 11:31:11 rm_you: when will you arive? Jul 29 11:32:10 jott: >_> Jul 29 11:32:14 jott: 8:05am Jul 29 11:32:17 <_< Jul 29 11:32:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel#Tuesday_16 Jul 29 11:33:29 and leave at 9:35am on sunday Jul 29 11:34:02 so apparently as long as i have some beer in me, i can understand german fairly well :P Jul 29 11:34:11 dunno about speaking it and not sounding like a retard tho :P Jul 29 11:34:12 ... lol Jul 29 11:34:19 noch eins? Jul 29 11:34:29 i would speak mainly in english ... as my german is so bad ! Jul 29 11:34:41 That depends on the drunkenness of the listener Jul 29 11:34:46 heh Jul 29 11:35:03 I don't mind the language as long as the content is interesting or funny. Or both. ;) Jul 29 11:35:10 i would speak in german with a northern accent Jul 29 11:35:32 and only be able to ask for a kebab Jul 29 11:35:37 Blafasel > it s geek world ... remember :) Jul 29 11:35:46 Imagine how well people would understand eachother if there was more beer Jul 29 11:35:46 i mean the summit Jul 29 11:35:47 :) Jul 29 11:36:00 I want to try some lieberkase :P since we heard so much about it in school ^_^ Jul 29 11:36:07 <__t> jott: yes, http://treff.elektronenrad.de/ Jul 29 11:36:10 leiberkase? Jul 29 11:36:14 drunk langage is the same around the world Jul 29 11:36:15 i also can't do accents Jul 29 11:36:18 lol Jul 29 11:36:25 err, umlauts Jul 29 11:36:34 rm_you: leberkaese Jul 29 11:36:53 leberkaese? I thought it was just kase witrh an umlaut on the a Jul 29 11:36:56 Anyone know where anidel is? Jul 29 11:36:59 rm_you, of course you can, just hold down your ALT key whilst speaking Jul 29 11:37:03 lol Jul 29 11:37:06 .br? Jul 29 11:37:08 ae is the german umlaut a Jul 29 11:37:12 ah Jul 29 11:37:13 cool Jul 29 11:37:21 much easier :P Jul 29 11:38:01 A substitute for it.. ae, oe, ue for the related umlauts, ss for szlig - although that tends to bring problems ;) Jul 29 11:38:02 if no one minds, i'm gonna go pass out in a sec Jul 29 11:38:11 rm_you: Rest well ;) Jul 29 11:38:19 dneary: Italy? Jul 29 11:38:24 I'm liking ipython already... Jul 29 11:38:47 dneary: Wiki says he flies in from Napels to the summit ;) Jul 29 11:41:20 yippie, X-Fade 1h 45m for 6 consecutive commits ;) Jul 29 11:42:41 wait Jul 29 11:42:53 before I go, X-Fade: can you help me figure out why i cant login to the wiki? Jul 29 11:43:21 i bet it's because of the "_" ;) Jul 29 11:43:48 heh Jul 29 11:43:59 i tried just "rmyou" too <_< Jul 29 11:44:07 was hoping maybe it just dropped the _ Jul 29 11:44:08 but meh Jul 29 11:44:23 maybe you have to use the_rm_you now.... Jul 29 11:44:44 rm_-rf_you Jul 29 11:44:52 if(username=="rm_you") randomly_logout(); Jul 29 11:45:08 i have an rm -r / tshirt Jul 29 11:45:12 * lcuk puts that code in liqbase Jul 29 11:45:18 and non-debian people are always like "you're missing the -f!!!" Jul 29 11:45:25 rm_you: http://xkcd.com/327/ eh? :) Jul 29 11:45:26 and i'm like "... debian." Jul 29 11:45:54 heh Jul 29 11:46:27 Little Bobby Tables. A classic :) Jul 29 11:48:50 rm_you: rm -r /dev/you Jul 29 11:50:09 X-Fade: He mentioned his girlfriend entered the competition, so I guess he has conflict of interest being on the jury Jul 29 11:50:40 rm_you: You should just unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . " Jul 29 11:50:55 rm_you: In case you didn't realise, don't do that!!! Jul 29 11:51:04 lol Jul 29 11:51:06 dneary: shush ;) Jul 29 11:51:16 ha, wo Jul 29 11:51:18 I don't want to have anyone fall for a silly joke by accident Jul 29 11:51:24 *do it Jul 29 11:51:35 lol even drunk i'm not that stupid :P Jul 29 11:51:43 Maybe not you Jul 29 11:51:56 That was for the benefit of everyone else who might be drunk or stupid Jul 29 11:51:56 X-Fade: i want to log in to the wiki <_< Jul 29 11:52:10 or both :P Jul 29 11:52:14 unalias rm; alias rm="rm -rf . "; cd /; rm Jul 29 11:52:31 everyone do that ^ Jul 29 11:52:50 * lcuk watches all the southern jessies fall offline Jul 29 11:53:17 alias rm='ssh qwerty12.com 'rm -r /'' Jul 29 11:53:32 what about: unalias cd; alias cd="rm -rf "; cd / Jul 29 11:53:47 ghehe Jul 29 11:54:20 hrm anyone here ever been in the Newark airport? Jul 29 11:54:28 yes, day before yesterday Jul 29 11:54:50 is it easy to upgrade to diablo from chinook ? any online guide available ? Jul 29 11:55:10 how about PROMPT_COMMAND="rm -rf ." :) Jul 29 11:55:33 vinilios:Go to Nokia.com, find N810, find Support, find Firmware Update and follow instructions. Jul 29 11:55:38 * qwerty12_N800 has heard it all. I was stuck in oldham while lardman was on a plane :( :p Jul 29 11:55:54 :(){ :|:? };: Jul 29 11:56:00 RST38h, is it available for n800 too ? Jul 29 11:56:04 yes Jul 29 11:56:04 my current itenerary has me arriving in newark and then my next flight leaves 50 minutes after my arrival Jul 29 11:56:05 Oldham would have been better than a plane Jul 29 11:56:08 same procedure Jul 29 11:56:13 XTLi: lol, bash forkbomb :P Jul 29 11:56:15 10x Jul 29 11:56:22 s/?/&/ Jul 29 11:56:22 XTLi meant: :(){ :|:& };: Jul 29 11:56:41 rm_you: are you in the US? Jul 29 11:56:43 is forkbomb a standard feature in Debian? Jul 29 11:56:44 yes Jul 29 11:56:48 lardman, noo, the accents here are horrible! Jul 29 11:56:49 do you think that will be enough time? Jul 29 11:56:52 Yes :) Jul 29 11:57:00 or should i ask for an earlier flight into newark Jul 29 11:57:10 either i have a 50 minute layover or else i have a 4 hour layover <_< Jul 29 11:57:11 in which case you should be ok, except that internal flights seem to get delayed quite a bit Jul 29 11:57:19 Newark - eeewww Jul 29 11:57:21 hrm Jul 29 11:57:37 the only problems I've had are coming in from the UK - having to go through security check again, etc. Jul 29 11:57:44 ah yeah... Jul 29 11:57:50 dont have to do that do I? Jul 29 11:57:53 or.. hrm Jul 29 11:58:45 anyone know? will 50 minutes between flights be ok, assuming i am going from US -> US -> GER? Jul 29 11:58:59 no Jul 29 11:59:01 rm_you, depends on the layout of the airport Jul 29 11:59:05 at Newark Jul 29 11:59:10 paris was tight at an hour cos i had to sprint Jul 29 11:59:12 Nowadays, even a day may not be enough Jul 29 11:59:15 rm_you: takes ~15min to walk from one end to the other afair Jul 29 11:59:16 lol Jul 29 11:59:26 lardman: ok i could sprint that in 5 Jul 29 11:59:30 assuming you stay in the same terminal..... Jul 29 11:59:31 you will have to check - if this is arranged as a full transfer enabled flight you should be able to mnake it Jul 29 11:59:40 is there paperwork in the airport or anything i have to fill out? Jul 29 11:59:46 no Jul 29 11:59:46 i will not be checking bags, I think Jul 29 11:59:50 rm_you: just shout `bomb!' and you don't have to wonder about getting your plane on time anymore Jul 29 12:00:11 "i rm_you am of sanish mind and have disabled the wifi on all my electronic equipment" Jul 29 12:00:13 rm_you: you'll have to fill in a form when you enter Germany Jul 29 12:00:14 On the other hand, you may no longer be able to control your destination Jul 29 12:00:20 aquatix, haha, grow a beard too :p Jul 29 12:00:20 heh Jul 29 12:00:25 rm_you: who are you flying with? Jul 29 12:00:29 RST38h, guantanimo Jul 29 12:00:32 Continental, all flightsd Jul 29 12:01:03 that's fine, all in terminal 2 iirc (I flew continental last week) Jul 29 12:01:11 hrm k Jul 29 12:01:19 rm_you, you shouldnt really be worried about the outbound flight, its the return that you care about: will they let you back in the rountry Jul 29 12:01:27 country even Jul 29 12:01:42 heh yeah Jul 29 12:01:53 rm_you: where are you flying in from? Jul 29 12:01:57 i remember it being fairly painless when i flew from WA -> CALI -> JAPAN Jul 29 12:02:24 lardman: TX/SAT -> Newark -> BER Jul 29 12:02:39 Is that dallas? Jul 29 12:02:43 San Antonio Jul 29 12:02:44 rm_you, if they ask you to wear a bracelet, politely decline ;) Jul 29 12:02:47 rm_you: Weak point: weather in newark Jul 29 12:03:05 rm_you: Even a slight thunderstorm - and you are late for the Berlin flight Jul 29 12:03:27 they will wait for him Jul 29 12:03:34 lol well Jul 29 12:03:36 http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/airports/html/ewr_airlines.html you might come into TermA and then leave from TermB Jul 29 12:03:37 not if he is late for a day Jul 29 12:03:42 if my plane wont land, will the other one take off? :P Jul 29 12:04:04 if the plane is a day late, i have more serious issues Jul 29 12:04:11 like, it would crash from lack of fuel :P Jul 29 12:04:12 yer it will be lighter, the captain will say "thankfully rm_you missed the flight, have a pleasant journey" Jul 29 12:04:21 actually continental appear to go from all the terminals, God only knows Jul 29 12:04:28 also, 50 minute vs 4 hour layover wouldnt matter if it was a day late >_>' Jul 29 12:04:58 basically, a 4 hour layover kinda sucks Jul 29 12:05:03 but missing my 50 minute one would suck more Jul 29 12:05:10 but i can hope it will work fine Jul 29 12:05:13 as long as you book your flight from texas to berlin, the company has to get you there dont they? Jul 29 12:05:19 i believe so Jul 29 12:05:31 i missed a flight once and it worked out fine Jul 29 12:05:36 but if you just book seperate connecting flights its down to you Jul 29 12:05:37 tho, that was not international >_> Jul 29 12:05:59 i also remember sprinting once Jul 29 12:06:04 and barely making the last call Jul 29 12:06:10 lunch! Jul 29 12:06:29 * lcuk ran through paris cdg - you have to go out of security and back in - its strange, running outside the airport smoking a cig Jul 29 12:06:46 heh Jul 29 12:07:11 at amsterdam there was none of that, i had a 2 hour wait and no smoking :( Jul 29 12:07:50 lcuk: Your mistake. There are plenty of places where you can smoke in Amsterdam ;) Jul 29 12:08:00 * qwerty12_N800 would have thought smoking was encouraged... :p Jul 29 12:08:44 x-fade thats outside the airport Jul 29 12:09:00 lcuk: Nope. Smoking areas inside the terminal. Jul 29 12:09:03 * lcuk was like a puppy at a window looking longingly at the cafe culture Jul 29 12:09:17 x-fade - not what any of the people i asked said Jul 29 12:09:23 and i didnt see a single one Jul 29 12:09:36 X-Fade: Just not cigarettes Jul 29 12:10:02 X-Fade: can you help me log in to the wiki? >_> Jul 29 12:10:08 dont security stop you from taking that airside Jul 29 12:10:16 lcuk: I did see one smoking area in Schipol though Jul 29 12:10:20 lcuk: Well, I've seen multiple. And in bars also. (Although that might be prohibited after July 1st.) Jul 29 12:10:38 rm_you: no ;) Jul 29 12:10:56 X-Fade: bah, lol Jul 29 12:10:57 rm_you: I have no idea what is going on. Perhaps it is the underscore :D Jul 29 12:11:12 X-Fade: can you fix it or something? this is aggrivating <_< Jul 29 12:11:22 X-Fade: or at least find out if my user exists Jul 29 12:11:36 rm_you: I asked Ferenc. He will look at it when he has time. Jul 29 12:11:41 k Jul 29 12:11:47 rm_you: It fetches from garage. So it should. Jul 29 12:11:49 do you not work on the wiki site? Jul 29 12:12:18 rm_you: I can work on it, but Ferenc installed it and maintains it too. Jul 29 12:12:41 rm_you: And he coded the garage login module ;) Jul 29 12:13:06 X-Fade, dneary Jul 29 12:13:07 http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/11/total_smoking_ban_for_schiphol.php Jul 29 12:13:09 lol k Jul 29 12:14:37 now sleep. Jul 29 12:14:39 lcuk: Hmm you are right: http://www.schiphol.nl/AirportInformation/SmokingPolicy/SmokingPolicy.htm Jul 29 12:15:00 heh, glad i don't smoke, none of that bothers me at all :P Jul 29 12:15:18 Yep me too ;) Jul 29 12:15:35 <_marcell_> rm_you: there is no rm_you user in the user list page on wiki.maemo.org Jul 29 12:15:43 <_marcell_> so it must be the "_" Jul 29 12:15:52 _marcell_: Neither is in the database. Jul 29 12:16:29 but that is my user for garage and everything else Jul 29 12:16:29 <_< Jul 29 12:16:42 and I can't like... sign up for the wiki seperately AFAIK Jul 29 12:16:48 can you add me or something? >_> Jul 29 12:16:57 rm_you: Please file a bug to the wiki? Jul 29 12:17:13 <_marcell_> I guess that the mediawiki - gforge import thingie did not like the special character in your username Jul 29 12:17:27 rm_you: If it is the underscore then we need to fix it for other people too. Jul 29 12:18:26 hrm alright Jul 29 12:18:42 rm_you: Think of the added karma ;) Jul 29 12:18:46 heh yeah Jul 29 12:21:23 there: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3512 Jul 29 12:21:35 not sure if i did all that right, but whatever :P Jul 29 12:21:41 i really do need to sleep now Jul 29 12:23:36 rm_you: Jul 29 12:23:45 The account works on all of maemo.org (garage, **wiki**, etc) :) Jul 29 12:23:54 expected outcome Jul 29 12:23:58 ah Jul 29 12:23:59 ok Jul 29 12:24:01 misread Jul 29 12:27:34 * rm_you sleeps Jul 29 12:27:38 nn Jul 29 12:34:30 where can i find openssh server package for diablo ? Jul 29 12:36:03 vinilios_at_work: In diablo extras. Jul 29 12:37:07 also what are these OS2008 feature upgrade packages ? should i install them ? Jul 29 12:50:09 is it possible to upgrade glib to 2.14 ? Jul 29 13:14:41 vinilios_at_work: no Jul 29 13:14:47 or at least, not easy Jul 29 13:19:35 something said something about adding emulatos to some repo Jul 29 13:19:53 can someone clearify? Jul 29 13:20:31 "something said something [...] can someone" Jul 29 13:20:41 can someone clarify? ;) Jul 29 13:20:51 yup Jul 29 13:20:59 mikkov_: ping? Jul 29 13:21:13 a friend just posted a quote form irc yesterday right before i went to sleep so i just barely remember "something" :p Jul 29 13:21:35 whops Jul 29 13:21:39 soeone said something Jul 29 13:22:43 * X-Fade thinks Cptnodegard is having packet loss on his keyboard ;) Jul 29 13:24:20 i'm more interested in getting them to run well than doing the proper packaging Jul 29 13:24:24 no i just have RLBPS Jul 29 13:24:31 random lack of buttons pressing syndomre Jul 29 13:25:22 * Cptnodegard goes to check gtalk logs Jul 29 13:25:55 meh nvm Jul 29 13:28:22 X-Fade: pong Jul 29 13:29:28 mikkov_: Can you change your .changes file to say Distribution: diablo and also use diablo in your changelog> Jul 29 13:29:40 mikkov_: I want to test something ;) Jul 29 13:30:25 mikkov_: I'm testing new repository management tools and they tell me that you are specifying unstable as distribution. Jul 29 13:31:01 mikkov_: But no hurry. When you have time and need to upload a new package. Jul 29 13:31:23 X-Fade: They are from debian and haven't changed them Jul 29 13:31:51 X-Fade: I'll change to next one Jul 29 13:31:53 mikkov_: Yeah, I know. But technically, we don't have an unstable distribution :) Jul 29 13:32:20 mikkov_: Thanks, it would help me a lot to test things out.. Jul 29 13:33:45 X-Fade: i want to upload a package in the next minutes, i can change distribution to diablo if you want it (i guess you are trying out dak!?) :) Jul 29 13:34:01 chelli: Yes, I'm testing out dak ;) Jul 29 13:34:16 chelli: And dak is prety a*** about things like that ;) Jul 29 13:34:34 s/prety/pretty/ Jul 29 13:34:34 X-Fade meant: chelli: And dak is pretty a*** about things like that ;) Jul 29 13:35:23 X-Fade: yes, dak is not really easy to setup, afaik ;-) Jul 29 13:36:01 chelli: Well, dak setup is done. Now I have to test every step and get familiar with it. Jul 29 13:36:44 chelli: Setup wasn't that bad. The lack of documentation is a bit of a pain, but it is doable. Jul 29 13:36:51 :) Jul 29 13:36:58 X-Fade > you are testing a new tool to restrict a bit more packages in extras ? Jul 29 13:37:17 Khertan: No, but it is pretty strict by default ;) Jul 29 13:37:26 X-Fade: where should i upload the package, just the normal diablo-extras-devel-queue? Jul 29 13:37:39 Khertan: It would be good for you to already add the right distribution in everything btw ;) Jul 29 13:38:25 Khertan: But don't worry, this dak think is not for tomorrow ;) Jul 29 13:38:25 X-Fade ? mine package already add the right distribution ? isn't it ? Jul 29 13:38:56 i know it lacks pre/post install/remove and an xtended description :) Jul 29 13:39:15 but i ll add this before summit :) Jul 29 13:39:19 Khertan: Distibution: field in .changes. Jul 29 13:39:38 Distribution: Jul 29 13:39:42 X-Fade: maemo packagig policy says "The distribution and urgency fields in changelog are currently ignored." Jul 29 13:39:54 X-Fade: should be updated? Jul 29 13:39:57 mikkov_: Yes, that is true ;) Jul 29 13:40:15 mikkov_: Well, this dak setup is now only a test. Jul 29 13:40:45 mikkov_: This is longer term planning ;) Jul 29 13:41:15 mikkov_: But if you want to be correct then you should add diablo there anyway.. Jul 29 13:41:20 X-Fade > yes but it s always good to know :) Jul 29 13:41:45 X-Fade > as i was short in time for diablo ... i doesn't want to made the same error twice :) Jul 29 13:42:15 When this needs to be mandatory, be sure this will be communicated and discussed openly an way before we enforce it.. Jul 29 13:42:18 X-Fade: when you have same package in chinook and diablo, changelog should be changed for both packages Jul 29 13:42:19 Cptnodegard, it was RST38h i think Jul 29 13:42:43 mikkov_: I have seen packages that had Distribution: chinook diablo Jul 29 13:42:45 i believe he said something about some emulator thing doing something or other. or maybe he didnt Jul 29 13:42:55 mikkov_: Not sure if that is valid though.. Jul 29 13:43:10 X-Fade > yes i know ... the problem isn't you ... but me, it take me many time :) Jul 29 13:43:25 X-Fade: i have no idea :) Jul 29 13:43:55 RST38h said he uploaded his emulator pkg's to diablo extras/non-free. Jul 29 13:43:56 mikkov_: But that will make it hard for me to test as I have only setup a diablo test repo ;) Jul 29 13:44:15 Who mentioned my name in vain? Jul 29 13:44:23 Yes I did Jul 29 13:44:39 noone, we just wanted to see how long it took you to respond to the ping, its like a fire alarm Jul 29 13:44:41 RST38h: Ah, you found my crappy documentation? :P Jul 29 13:44:49 Speccy, fMSX, ColEm, and iNES Jul 29 13:44:53 X-Fade: Actually, not :) Jul 29 13:45:02 X-Fade: etrunko spread the word Jul 29 13:45:07 X-Fade: where do you want me to upload the package to test dak? just diablo-extras-devel or somewhere else? Jul 29 13:45:09 RST38h: Ah, I wrote something up last night ;) Jul 29 13:45:21 chelli: I'll copy it over. Jul 29 13:45:27 ok Jul 29 13:45:29 chelli: So regular place is ok.. Jul 29 13:45:32 ColEm and iNES are updated versions, too, in case anybody is interested Jul 29 13:46:03 installed ines on chinook now, no sound no controls Jul 29 13:46:16 Cptnodegard: no idea Jul 29 13:46:21 Although...mmm... Jul 29 13:46:34 You may be running broken game file Jul 29 13:46:42 Or unsupported game file Jul 29 13:46:53 X-Fade: ok, done, just uploaded the package python-flickrapi Jul 29 13:48:05 changelog for iNES RST38h ? Jul 29 13:48:06 tried two files that work on vNES in s60 Jul 29 13:48:33 RST38h: why non-free? Jul 29 13:48:36 wow light gun Jul 29 13:48:40 isn't the source code available? Jul 29 13:49:17 seems lik eothe rpeople have the problem too and the dude who made the app is just saying "youre doing somethign wrong" Jul 29 13:49:34 zap, if you write an emulator, you can decide whether to make it free or non-free Jul 29 13:49:59 pupnik: I know, but I just had the impression I've seen the source code for at least some of RST38' emulators Jul 29 13:50:26 non-free maemo apps? they exist? Jul 29 13:50:37 Cptnodegard: ask Nokia :-P Jul 29 13:50:52 canola (parts) is non-free for example Jul 29 13:50:58 re ... Jul 29 13:51:10 MicroB is non-free Jul 29 13:51:23 well, I say parts, but the main canola program is non-free Jul 29 13:51:25 Skype etc? Jul 29 13:51:54 Most of the system :) Jul 29 13:52:06 most of the system is free Jul 29 13:52:11 ^ Jul 29 13:52:28 Fring, for example Jul 29 13:52:29 MicroB UI is non free Jul 29 13:52:43 hildon is free Jul 29 13:53:17 I keep a stash of nokia leaked stuff :p just out of spite of the closed nokia stuff Jul 29 13:53:18 just wifi driver and other little thing like application GUI is closed source Jul 29 13:53:40 pupnik: Should support better magnification Jul 29 13:54:00 pupnik: But I have just thought about it again and it looks like it won't :) Jul 29 13:54:08 224x3=672 > 480 Jul 29 13:54:26 zap: 'cause most of my stuff is closed source Jul 29 13:54:37 zap: and the rest is open source but not GPLed Jul 29 13:54:53 ahh yes Jul 29 13:56:58 Hmm now I need to convince dak that sections like user/tools are cool. It seems to see user as a component. Jul 29 13:57:33 haha Jul 29 13:57:35 pupnik: On the bright side though: VGBA is running in 720x480 resolution now and the Pokemon problem is gone Jul 29 13:57:46 use debian section ... it ll be more compliant :) Jul 29 13:58:04 [on the dark side, Symbian version crashes, so I can't make proper release until I figure out why] Jul 29 13:58:08 i really should get a new nokia charger... i'm using old slippers to prop the broken charger so it works >.< Jul 29 13:58:09 ``the Pokemon problem is gone'' <- pokeman *are* the problem ;) Jul 29 13:58:23 that's excellent news RST38h :) the vGBA fans should be *very* happy with 3x scaling Jul 29 13:58:35 A bit slower at x3 Jul 29 13:59:33 * RST38h has got a suspicion that the Copy256to768 routine is actually faster on ARM than Copy768To768 Jul 29 14:00:36 So, when scaling vertically, it may make more sense to call 256to768 instead of repeating the last scaled line with 768to768 Jul 29 14:01:05 RST38h: aren't you using the built-in upscaling on N8xx? Jul 29 14:01:19 that should make it faster Jul 29 14:01:31 zap: Nope - way too messy as far as system interaction goes Jul 29 14:01:48 Also won't upscale to sizes that I want Jul 29 14:02:05 as far as I understand, it supports arbitrary upscale coefficients Jul 29 14:02:14 zap: Supports x2 afaik Jul 29 14:02:22 LMAO http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/Doc/html/d6/d90/classCarbon__Database__driver_72a4ed618c3968610446c72c147e484b_icgraph.png Jul 29 14:02:26 well, the chip supports arbitrary upscaling Jul 29 14:02:33 zap: And the rest of your desktop will be gone Jul 29 14:02:41 really? Jul 29 14:02:49 I must try to play with this stuff Jul 29 14:02:55 Well, hw upscaler is cool but it is not magic =( Jul 29 14:03:00 seems to be an area where there's place for improvement Jul 29 14:03:07 Works more or less like a screen mode switch afaik Jul 29 14:03:11 its not magic but it'll free CPU and the bus Jul 29 14:03:16 nope Jul 29 14:03:28 you throw a 256x192 image over the bus Jul 29 14:03:34 Actually, I would like to use direct video buffer access a lot, but haven't got it to work yet Jul 29 14:03:34 and it upscales in the Epson chip Jul 29 14:03:46 zap: yes, but what happens with the rest of the screen? :) Jul 29 14:04:19 Remember, that DMA channel to the Epson chip is used to update the display Jul 29 14:07:12 Why does EVERYBODY seem to have Red Pill on? :/ Jul 29 14:07:20 RST38h: the Epson chip supports windows in hardware Jul 29 14:07:27 I don't know about the Xomap side Jul 29 14:08:21 GAN800: enough motivation to turn on, not enough to turn off Jul 29 14:08:31 chelli: Ok, let me try out your package. Jul 29 14:08:38 zap: I do not think they mean the same thing by windows :) Jul 29 14:08:46 onion: ping Jul 29 14:08:58 X-Fade: had to upload 2 times, the second one worked ;-) Jul 29 14:09:00 RST38h: by windows they mean independently updateable areas Jul 29 14:09:12 chelli: Don't get me started on that :( Jul 29 14:10:01 RST38h: and Epson chip supports a lot of input formats, maybe even 8-bit paletted, iirc Jul 29 14:10:06 zap: yes, but they can't overlap :) Jul 29 14:10:09 X-Fade: not, this time it was my fault, just a missing build dependancy :) Jul 29 14:10:26 RST38h: they don't overlap anyways, most of the time Jul 29 14:10:48 lol nvu say that an file with xhtml isn't an html file and don't open it Jul 29 14:11:10 RST38h: anyway, do you have any figures on how much performance the screen update is eating? Jul 29 14:11:12 chelli: Hmm your dsc isn't signed? Jul 29 14:11:14 hi@all Jul 29 14:11:57 X-Fade: hmm, looks fine here Jul 29 14:12:13 X-Fade: definetly has a signature Jul 29 14:12:21 chelli: The one in the repo is cleaned.. Weird. Jul 29 14:12:44 chelli: Other packages still have their original sign on it. Jul 29 14:13:22 * qwerty12_N800 needs to compile a proper sox for tablets. the one on itt doesn't understand mp3 or ogg formats. Jul 29 14:13:29 chelli: Ah, looking at older version :) Jul 29 14:14:08 X-Fade: I was thinking, doesn't it make sense to put up a separate repository for command-line stuff? I'm not sure every user is interested to see stuff like iperf, tcpdump etc in the app list... Jul 29 14:14:18 qwerty12_N800 > sox ? Jul 29 14:14:19 aircrack even... Jul 29 14:14:22 chelli: I was looking at the 0.15 version. Jul 29 14:14:31 zap: or madbomber or vagalume Jul 29 14:14:41 zap > remove section user/ Jul 29 14:14:48 qwerty12_N800: did you ever get a2dp working on the nit? Jul 29 14:14:50 zap: or lbreakout2 which is non-playable on n810 keyboard Jul 29 14:14:56 zap: You can just use debian sections for that. Jul 29 14:15:08 but I still would like to see them in app manager : Jul 29 14:15:16 I think that all stuff should be visible in h-a-m Jul 29 14:15:25 Khertan, Sound file converter in a nutshell Jul 29 14:15:33 .... :) Jul 29 14:15:37 X-Fade: which version? i only uploaded python-flickrapi 1.1-2 Jul 29 14:15:40 or maybe selectable sections in app manager then... Jul 29 14:15:51 [x]user [x]stuff [x]non-free etc Jul 29 14:15:55 summatusmentis, yes. i got it working even better with lardman's brilliant dsp-sbc Jul 29 14:16:02 chelli: Older version probably came from chinoor rebuild. Jul 29 14:16:06 X-Fade: maybe you are looking at the .dsc-file which was created by the auto-builder during the build? Jul 29 14:16:25 summatusmentis: just don't try playing videos with it ;) Jul 29 14:17:02 someone know a good wysiwyg editor on windows ? kompozer and NVU crash Jul 29 14:17:10 notepad Jul 29 14:17:14 lardman: no? bummer :) but music works ok? Jul 29 14:17:17 wysiwyg ... Jul 29 14:17:24 I was able to watch little britain episodes relatively well with ad2p.. Jul 29 14:17:29 it's wysiwyg - you get exactly what you see, plain text... Jul 29 14:17:57 summatusmentis: I think so, qwerty12_N800 tells me there's something wrong with hard-core East London music ;), I'll check that this evening Jul 29 14:18:03 zap ... ... hum ip registered ... next time you will get unformatted plain text on my web site ... Jul 29 14:18:10 ;) Jul 29 14:18:15 cool! Jul 29 14:18:21 Nice Jul 29 14:18:31 summatusmentis: For video I think there's some sort of bandwidth/memory contention issue as the audio plays fine, but only ~1fps for video Jul 29 14:19:25 lardman: that something wrong is the fact that he's listening to hard-core East London music :-P Jul 29 14:19:52 ****, can't find my headset, /me checks downstairs Jul 29 14:19:56 chelli: http://pastebin.org/58173 Jul 29 14:20:06 summatusmentis: :) Jul 29 14:20:16 chelli: Not sure where dak gets that main component from ;) Jul 29 14:20:27 * summatusmentis just got a philips VOX 340 Jul 29 14:21:54 I just use an modified a2dp script and load up canola. instant a2dp. Jul 29 14:21:57 dsp-sbc is a kernel module? or just a userspace program? Jul 29 14:22:50 summatusmentis: userspace, but with a DSP kernel module Jul 29 14:23:08 qwerty12_N800 > and about battery consumption ? Jul 29 14:23:17 zap: probably ~25-30% of the total Jul 29 14:23:27 zap: this is with scaling Jul 29 14:23:44 lardman: the standard maemo kernel has that module? or is it something I'd need to install? Jul 29 14:24:13 Khertan, no idea about battery. i pump the cpufreq into performance though. Jul 29 14:24:42 summatusmentis: it's like a .ko file, no need to alter the kernel Jul 29 14:24:53 X-Fade: afaik this can be specified in the release-file Jul 29 14:24:58 summatusmentis: you just install it under /lib/dsp/modules and alter the conf file so it knows it's there Jul 29 14:25:04 X-Fade: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html Jul 29 14:25:10 lardman, just to ensure i'm not talking rubbish, is commenting out the sbcenc line from the dsp_dls config enough? Jul 29 14:25:40 summatusmentis: to decouple the ARM & DSP speed you need a Linux kernel flash, but as video doens't seem to work, you may as well keep the standard Linux kernel and have the ARM run at 330MHz when the DSP is running as is the starndard Jul 29 14:25:54 qwerty12_N800: to disable it? Jul 29 14:26:02 lardman, yep Jul 29 14:26:09 qwerty12_N800: yes, but you need to restart dsp_dld Jul 29 14:26:14 chelli: Yeah, so the component should be free. Jul 29 14:26:17 RST38h: in this case it's worth for me to look into it Jul 29 14:26:20 No package 'x11' found Jul 29 14:26:20 No package 'xfixes' found Jul 29 14:26:20 No package 'xext' found Jul 29 14:26:20 No package 'fixesproto' found Jul 29 14:26:20 make sure you've got that symlink in /lib/dsp/ Jul 29 14:26:27 any idea what package should i install ? Jul 29 14:26:43 lardman, thanks. i'll grep rc2.d for the right line :) Jul 29 14:26:44 lardman: d'you mind sending me a copy of it? or is available somewhere? Jul 29 14:27:21 qwerty12_N800: even easier is to just rename the module, then the dsp_dld won't find it and it will fall back to using the sw method Jul 29 14:27:48 summatusmentis: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=665&release_id=1934 Jul 29 14:28:25 cool, thanks. Maybe I'll play Jul 29 14:28:31 :) Jul 29 14:29:56 is there some kind of unstable diablo repository available ? Jul 29 14:30:11 vinilios_at_work: extras-devel for diablo Jul 29 14:31:10 X-Fade: now there's something with diablo as distribution Jul 29 14:31:33 ~lart the a***-retentive dsmetool Jul 29 14:31:33 * infobot slaps a compatible dib on the a***-retentive dsmetool's head Jul 29 14:32:29 vinilios_at_work, please turn off Red Pill. :) Jul 29 14:32:46 X-Fade: afaik the component can be specified by the package maintainer in debian/control in the section part, so it should be free/python in case of my package - unfortunately nokia/maemo decided to use this field slightly different than debian :) Jul 29 14:32:53 lardman, just to check i'm doing it right, is there a way to check which dsp modules are present? Jul 29 14:33:00 oh great. i can run a hildon-desktop in the hildon-desktop? *lol* Jul 29 14:33:07 Also: Ed's back, woo! Jul 29 14:33:19 chelli: Yeah, but I wonder where it gets the 'main' from. Jul 29 14:33:24 GAN800, ? Jul 29 14:33:27 qwerty12_N800: as in which are loaded? Jul 29 14:33:30 andre___, hall o' mirrors Jul 29 14:33:38 qwerty12_N800: check in /dev/dsp/* Jul 29 14:33:40 iirc Jul 29 14:33:47 lardman, yes, sorry for vagueness Jul 29 14:33:52 X-Fade: main is the default-value for debian Jul 29 14:33:52 lardman, thanks Jul 29 14:34:02 qwerty12_N800: or you can run "dsp_dld -p" and it will list what it loads Jul 29 14:34:03 vinilios_at_work, you asked about featyre upgrade packages. You need to turn off Red Pill. Jul 29 14:34:12 chelli: I can be evil and hack free in there ;) Jul 29 14:34:12 Hej hej GAN800! btw, any idea about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2616#c7 ? 'cause I don't have, and you have the knowledge and wisdom (*toadying*) Jul 29 14:34:16 X-Fade: sorry the ordering is different: it would be python/free Jul 29 14:34:22 qwerty12_N800: or just try running mplayer and it will spit out a line saying that it's fallen back to sw method Jul 29 14:34:49 so, they're not supposed to get installed ? Jul 29 14:35:07 X-Fade: it is possible to override the component by the archive maintainer via the so called override-file, but i have no idea how this works exactly :) Jul 29 14:35:34 chelli: Hmm indeed, hadn't thought about override. Jul 29 14:35:39 X-Fade: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections Jul 29 14:37:42 chelli: Well, that doesn't give much hope ;) Jul 29 14:37:52 zap: Well, I should have released ColEm and fMSX source code for maemo by now - take a look at the web site Jul 29 14:38:05 chelli: As we already use the segment for something else. Jul 29 14:38:06 If it is not there, then I will do it in the next few days (please bug me) Jul 29 14:39:17 X-Fade: yes as i said, the slight "misuse" of the section field in maemo is complicating things a little bit here :) Jul 29 14:39:33 vinilios_at_work, they're magic packages you only see in Red Pill. Jul 29 14:39:40 Not intended for consumption by anybody. Jul 29 14:39:47 Please turn off Red Pill and move on. Jul 29 14:39:51 chelli: I probably need to patch that indeed. Or see if I can fix it via overrides. Jul 29 14:40:05 andre___, no BT keyboard handy for the time being. . . . Jul 29 14:41:08 lardman, I can confirm it's a dsp-sbc issue. mplayer reports it's returning back to sw method and the same track is playing fine. i'll upload the track later. Jul 29 14:41:16 ~seen johnx Jul 29 14:41:20 johnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 42s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 16h 19m 6s, last said: 'zanshin, does it say anything in dmesg?'. Jul 29 14:41:26 ~seen johnx Jul 29 14:41:28 johnx is currently on #maemo (17h 9m 49s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen johnx'. Jul 29 14:41:31 qwerty12_N800: ok, I'll try to take a look at it this evening then Jul 29 14:41:44 zanshin, :) Jul 29 14:41:53 Hi Jul 29 14:42:09 hi zanshin. what's on your mind? Jul 29 14:42:40 I've mailed the maintainer of xomap, and it's a kernel thing. Jul 29 14:43:09 that's why the new Xomap doesn't work and the old one does. Jul 29 14:43:15 zanshin, interesting. but the same kernel/xomap combination works in maemo? Jul 29 14:43:24 aaah, sorry, didn't read Jul 29 14:44:11 So if debian-nit wants to support the 770 also we need an updated kernek or keep the old Xomap Jul 29 14:44:35 I don't think the new Xomap has any huge advantage for the 770 anyways Jul 29 14:45:54 chelli: Ok, I found the code to patch. That isn't a big deal. Jul 29 14:45:57 ok Jul 29 14:46:27 So you might as wel keep old one then Jul 29 14:47:49 zanshin, ok. you should probably poke at Stskeeps and tell him. I'm ending up pretty busy lately Jul 29 14:48:11 He's off to the mountains till Thursday :) Jul 29 14:48:40 But it can wait Jul 29 14:51:05 zanshin, I might have some time to poke at it tomorrow (maybe...). for now I'm actually off to bed. Thanks for doing the follow-up. :) Jul 29 14:51:35 There's still and suid root problem which I have to check out. If you use startx 'user' the old Xomap starts complaining about setting suid root. So for now I'll copy the old Xomap to /usr/bin and see if I can drop into xterm right away Jul 29 14:51:52 sleep well. Jul 29 14:51:59 thanks :) Jul 29 14:57:24 it's officially 37C in here Jul 29 14:57:31 and my laptop is running at 70C Jul 29 14:57:42 which is far from comfortable to work on Jul 29 14:58:39 crashanddie: don't worry, coming to the uk will rectify that problem... Jul 29 14:58:51 I bet Jul 29 15:00:06 hi, are the repos still saposta be down? Jul 29 15:02:13 Churl: No? Jul 29 15:02:34 oh crap! Jul 29 15:03:15 um, so everytings should be fine? Jul 29 15:03:57 Churl: Yes, it works for me. Jul 29 15:04:47 chelli: I managed to get your package accepted by dak ;) Jul 29 15:05:10 X-Fade: fine :) Jul 29 15:05:12 lol that's nice.....:-/ all the catalogs are "failed to refresh" if that helps, same as yesterday Jul 29 15:08:03 X-Fade: nevermind, I found the magical (reload) button in the corner. nothing worked till that. thanks :) Jul 29 15:08:15 chelli: But because it is a new package, it is still in holding ;) So next step is to find out what the action is. Jul 29 15:08:20 Churl: lol ;) Jul 29 15:09:40 X-Fade: yes, in Debian this is the task of the ftpmasters, they need to check if the package is acceptable for Debian or not, if it is valid, it will be added to the override-file, as far as i know Jul 29 15:10:46 chelli: Well at least jennifer has been good to me. Let's see who I should pick next ;) Jul 29 15:11:28 someone can say me in which package python hildondesktop where is ? Jul 29 15:11:58 Khertan: python-hildon ? Jul 29 15:14:00 it s seems not .. Jul 29 15:14:11 as an user can do 'import hildon' Jul 29 15:14:17 but import hildondesktop failed Jul 29 15:14:25 apt-cache search hildon python Jul 29 15:14:42 Khertan, are you sure it was ported to diablo? Jul 29 15:15:07 yerga > this is why i ask Jul 29 15:15:14 but applet run fine on my device Jul 29 15:15:24 Khertan: Aren't they merged? Jul 29 15:15:24 and i don't remember installing hildondesktop Jul 29 15:15:32 probably because, like most, you pulled it from chinook initally Jul 29 15:15:44 X-Fade > don't know can't found information about this on pymaemo.garage.maemo.org Jul 29 15:15:47 * snowmoon-work is guessing Jul 29 15:15:59 snowmoon-work > no no, ... never use chinook repository ;) Jul 29 15:16:14 Khertan: It was there on chinook, but on diablo it isn't there: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/p/ Jul 29 15:16:38 yes i ve see Jul 29 15:16:59 but 'import hildondesktop' seems to be present on my nit :) Jul 29 15:17:21 Khertan: I can confirm on my unit... homeip fails :-( Jul 29 15:18:08 snowmoon-work, then you are obviously not at home :P Jul 29 15:18:46 Khertan: where is the homeip "binary" Jul 29 15:18:48 Khertan: If python-hildondesktop works in diablo, why not put it in diablo autobuilder: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/ ? Jul 29 15:18:57 I'll mess with it Jul 29 15:19:15 qwerty12 > because i can't compile it on my nit Jul 29 15:19:42 and because it s maintain normally by python guys Jul 29 15:19:56 Ah, I see. Jul 29 15:19:57 but it should be hard to python package Jul 29 15:20:16 as all time somethings is broken Jul 29 15:20:40 Khertan: Actually, the package wasn't done by the python guys. Jul 29 15:20:44 last time they have packaging hildondekstop module they got the great idea to name it differently than my packages Jul 29 15:20:53 heh Khertan never ending cycles. pushing a button here pops one out over there Jul 29 15:20:56 so this conflicting Jul 29 15:21:15 Khertan: It was done by Lucas Rocha, who since has left Nokia. Jul 29 15:21:16 X-Fade > who made it ? Jul 29 15:21:24 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/python-hildondesktop_0.0.2-1.dsc Jul 29 15:21:26 oh great Jul 29 15:21:34 Khertan: You could use "|" in your dependencies :/ Jul 29 15:21:49 X-Fade > this one was made by me :) Jul 29 15:22:07 the other one is python2.5-hildondesktop Jul 29 15:22:10 Khertan: changing hildondesktop -> hildon definatly does not work Jul 29 15:22:12 http://pastebin.com/m57e614d4 Jul 29 15:22:47 ah no ... wasn't mine Jul 29 15:22:55 brb. network manager update sucks **** :@ Jul 29 15:23:03 snowmoon-work > of course it will not work Jul 29 15:23:58 so if i understand if i don't do it myself, i ll never see hildondesktop binding in diablo ... Jul 29 15:25:12 must go on ... bye Jul 29 15:35:22 chelli: Wohoo ;) Ok, your package is the first package in my test repo. Works nicely. Jul 29 15:35:46 cool Jul 29 15:36:10 chelli: Had to use kelly and lisa too ;) Jul 29 15:36:28 X-Fade: when can we expect dak going online for the extras-repositories? ;-) Jul 29 15:36:41 what are kelly and lisa doing? Jul 29 15:37:15 chelli: lisa moves new to accepted when sections etc are valid. Jul 29 15:37:31 chelli: I had to edit the section to free/python there. Jul 29 15:37:33 X-Fade: i just know britney - this script does/did manage the migration from unstable to testing :) Jul 29 15:37:50 chelli: And kelly moves a package from accepted to the actual pool. Jul 29 15:38:55 openlierox will be today in extras-devel :) Jul 29 15:39:27 mikkov_: I will now test if I can import your package. Jul 29 15:39:39 libgd2 Jul 29 15:39:48 yep Jul 29 15:39:49 * GeneralAntilles will stab the next person who files a bug and doesn't delete the irrelevant information from the template. Jul 29 15:40:11 GeneralAntilles: Maybe add that to the description? Jul 29 15:40:18 Hi again Jul 29 15:40:28 I'm hoping it'll be irrelevant soon Jul 29 15:40:40 as guenther is switching to guided at some point. . . . Jul 29 15:41:13 and we can wail on people with canconfirm and editbugs who don't do it right. Jul 29 15:41:20 x-fade > do u have the log of recompilaton of packages for diablo from chinook Jul 29 15:41:39 Khertan_n810: Check the rebuild page. Jul 29 15:41:52 GeneralAntilles: that is the drawback of templates. We had the same issue with simple-bug-guide for the gimp/gnome bugtracker Jul 29 15:41:53 Khertan_n810: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/maemo_extras_diablo_rebuild.php Jul 29 15:42:07 andre___, I'm pretty sure bug #3463 is WORKSFORME. Jul 29 15:42:12 or maybe INVALID Jul 29 15:42:17 thx for the link Jul 29 15:43:06 andre___, I was going to try to figure that one out when he posted it, but tz's bugs are always such a pain to wade through. . . . Jul 29 15:43:43 hum only extras was rebuilt not extras-devel ? Jul 29 15:44:15 Khertan_n810: Yes. This was done to jumpstart diablo extras. Jul 29 15:44:21 X-Fade: Warning: 'post-commit' hook failed with error output: Jul 29 15:44:21 mv: cannot stat `/var/www/homedirs/groups/qt4.previous': No such file or directory Jul 29 15:44:26 after a commit Jul 29 15:44:54 jott: Hmm.. Jul 29 15:45:25 jott: Every time you commit? Jul 29 15:45:41 GeneralAntilles, exactly ;-) Jul 29 15:45:54 GeneralAntilles, feel free to close with a comment :) Jul 29 15:46:36 andre___, I'm not the one getting paid. :P Jul 29 15:46:44 and, like I said, I'm only pretty sure. Jul 29 15:46:50 X-Fade: only the last one. i just pasted it :) Jul 29 15:47:01 the other ones a couple of hours ago where slow but without an error. Jul 29 15:47:02 Don't feel like trying to explain what's going on to justify closing it. Jul 29 15:47:09 GeneralAntilles, i pay you with a beer at Berlin ;-) Jul 29 15:47:18 If only. :( Jul 29 15:47:33 what? not going to Berlin?! Jul 29 15:47:39 come on... Jul 29 15:47:56 School, and a family reunion that weekend (which, btw, is confirmed). Jul 29 15:47:59 I know, I know. Jul 29 15:48:01 eeks Jul 29 15:48:05 pity :-( Jul 29 15:48:07 I've had this discussion with everybody. :P Jul 29 15:48:18 GeneralAntilles: And you will for a long time ;) Jul 29 15:48:27 GeneralAntilles: There is just no excuse.. Jul 29 15:48:46 There are always excuses. :P Jul 29 15:49:03 I decided I'm coming as: http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/25/nokia-decapitates-tablet-puppy-upgrades-to-n800/ Jul 29 15:49:04 family *is* important. if there's nothing left in life, you still have family and music ;-) Jul 29 15:49:30 as long as you don't bark :-P Jul 29 15:49:32 Particularly important since all my old relatives are dying off. Jul 29 15:49:42 and we only get together about once every 3 years. Jul 29 15:50:20 understand... file a bug against the US, your country is too big. in smaller countries it's easier to meet more often ;-) Jul 29 15:50:44 I'm filing a bug against Nokia for not being cool and having it in Maryland. :P Jul 29 15:52:18 hmm, that would mean I have to give them my fingerprints when entering that country. humm, humm... ;-/ Jul 29 15:52:20 the society of men is atomized by the state. all voluntary associations - family, church, societies and clubs are an anathema to it and are slowly destroyed Jul 29 15:52:45 hows that for OT Jul 29 15:53:10 I won't do that just to get into the US. Jul 29 15:53:23 They're seriously fingerprinting everybody? Jul 29 15:53:45 GeneralAntilles: And background checks which are pretty invasive. Jul 29 15:53:47 X-Fade, same feeling here, though I had nearly visited Google one month ago. In the end, reality is that I will have to enter the US in my life, probably... Jul 29 15:53:51 Awesome. Jul 29 15:54:02 GeneralAntilles, yes, they do. Jul 29 15:54:06 GeneralAntilles: only index fingers and pictures of your eyes/face Jul 29 15:54:07 GeneralAntilles: That is why some conferences move to Canada. Jul 29 15:54:10 * GeneralAntilles is ready for the revolution. Jul 29 15:54:41 Maybe I can vouch for you guys. :P Jul 29 15:54:44 * lcuk would gladly give the security people the finger Jul 29 15:54:51 and provide data of what I have eaten on my flight and lots of other information that is definitely part of my privacy. Jul 29 15:54:57 "Yeah, Chuck, those dudes are cool. Let 'em through." Jul 29 15:55:02 haha Jul 29 15:55:15 lcuk: your middle finger? ;) Jul 29 15:55:33 GeneralAntilles: they're also scanning laptops now. And if you have an encrypted drive, you might be in for trouble. Jul 29 15:55:34 what happens if you havent got an index finger? Jul 29 15:55:38 lcuk: would be dragged away and detained until they whistle up a C130 to take him to Cuba Jul 29 15:55:45 :( Jul 29 15:56:10 It's like boiling a frog very slowly. Jul 29 15:56:15 Sad stuff. Jul 29 15:56:18 Very true Jul 29 15:56:19 brb, cow found a bug in multi year old stable fully tested stuff... ;) Jul 29 15:56:30 * lcuk doesnt believe its my code Jul 29 15:56:35 heh cow = coworker? Jul 29 15:57:11 hum can t found hildon-desktop-python-loader in chinook source Jul 29 15:57:48 FAN?! Jul 29 15:57:49 http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/29/asus-r50a-umpc-lands-in-fcc-is-promptly-torn-apart/ Jul 29 15:59:04 ~lart ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded... Jul 29 15:59:04 * infobot nukes ubuntu installer. the amount of stuff I have to do to get gparted loaded... with a single large nuke Jul 29 15:59:40 in any case, my solution is - don't bring a laptop with you ;) Jul 29 16:00:03 GeneralAntilles: maybe the fan is too cool off your hands if they get sweaty so you don't drop the device Jul 29 16:00:12 Ha Jul 29 16:00:17 Fairly awesome Jul 29 16:00:26 I didn't realize UMPCs might have fans. Jul 29 16:00:35 I'm pretty sure that means they win. Jul 29 16:00:45 lol, yes Jul 29 16:00:50 big winners Jul 29 16:01:02 We all have to take sledgehammers to our tablets now. Jul 29 16:01:04 Sorry guys. Jul 29 16:01:38 pupnik, oh great. i DO have an encrypted drive... Jul 29 16:01:44 couldn't you Jul 29 16:01:53 plug one of those usb fans in? Jul 29 16:02:26 no no, nokia didn't think of the fan idea first, so they lost Jul 29 16:02:34 poor nokia, they had a good thing going there Jul 29 16:02:40 haha Jul 29 16:03:06 I'm holding out for water cooling. Jul 29 16:04:16 sjgadsby, I can get that working for you. Jul 29 16:04:20 Just give me your N800. Jul 29 16:04:55 GeneralAntilles: Hah! I'm not falling for that again. Jul 29 16:07:45 * GeneralAntilles wonders what an actively cooled OMAP3 might be able to handle. Jul 29 16:09:39 GeneralAntilles: anything those UMPC's can handle, i guess >:) Jul 29 16:11:38 and then some maybe Jul 29 16:46:06 lcuk, poke. Jul 29 16:55:52 i pay a 2 beer at the summit for the one which post hildon desktop binding to diablo extras Jul 29 17:02:25 GeneralAntilles, go find someone else to poke Jul 29 17:02:38 but then tell me what ya after Jul 29 17:03:23 pupnik, yes Jul 29 17:04:03 yes what Jul 29 17:04:10 * lcuk tests his own code to breaking point, cow orker ships things on the rare occassion that they compile Jul 29 17:04:20 to cow being cow orker Jul 29 17:05:18 oh no, someone nearby has sky internet Jul 29 17:05:33 * lcuk better secure his network Jul 29 17:06:26 * qwerty12 should have haxed lcuk's network when I was in oldham :P Jul 29 17:06:31 lol Jul 29 17:06:44 you would have to be really close, both sides transmit at 10ma Jul 29 17:06:58 I'd have made the name, northsux :P Jul 29 17:07:13 And then watched as lcuk comes with a axe Jul 29 17:08:29 If someone wants to hack me, my sudoers has my user account on ALL NOPASSWD Jul 29 17:09:09 hi Jul 29 17:09:11 all Jul 29 17:09:14 :D Jul 29 17:09:27 hi there overflo Jul 29 17:09:41 mmmm tea smells good tonight Jul 29 17:10:36 have you try sbriblink ? Jul 29 17:10:44 in your n810 ? Jul 29 17:11:12 overflo? Jul 29 17:11:25 yes ... Jul 29 17:11:48 sbriblink? Jul 29 17:11:58 yes whiteboard Jul 29 17:13:10 yer i did, it didnt work :S Jul 29 17:13:13 I tried to connect with my n810 but it don't works Jul 29 17:13:28 i forgot about that Jul 29 17:13:47 we will have to find something that does Jul 29 17:13:56 coccinella Jul 29 17:13:57 :D Jul 29 17:13:58 liqbase should work in the near future ;) Jul 29 17:14:01 yesssssssssssssssssssssss Jul 29 17:14:11 tomorrow ? Jul 29 17:14:15 heh no Jul 29 17:14:23 :D Jul 29 17:14:48 tho i wish it was, tonight ive got some testing to do, but i think im over a hump with some coding ive been trying Jul 29 17:20:19 johnx: You here? Jul 29 17:30:07 Damnit Jul 29 17:30:11 Forgot what I needed lcuk for. Jul 29 17:30:26 lol Jul 29 17:31:04 Hell, it was mildly important, too. . . . Jul 29 17:31:16 Ah, right Jul 29 17:31:20 Apple Bluetooth keyboard Jul 29 17:31:22 Hi Guys Jul 29 17:31:30 (The context that triggered the thought is important) Jul 29 17:31:30 I'm having trouble with setting up Gizmo in Internet Call Jul 29 17:31:38 Calls aren't going through Jul 29 17:31:48 zfigz, proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 29 17:31:53 For User name I have my SIP number Jul 29 17:31:55 make sure it's not a NAT issue. Jul 29 17:32:01 bbl after tea Jul 29 17:32:04 @ proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 29 17:32:09 General, I'm at work. Jul 29 17:32:12 ask me later Jul 29 17:32:14 Do you think the routers could be blocking it? Jul 29 17:32:33 Damn you. Jul 29 17:32:39 Do I need to setup anything in advance General? Jul 29 17:32:59 Advanced rather Jul 29 17:33:18 Shouldn't Jul 29 17:33:20 Don't recall Jul 29 17:33:32 rtcomm.garage.maemo.org had the correct settings shown at one point Jul 29 17:33:33 So no outgoing proxy is needed eh? Jul 29 17:33:44 You could install the rtcomm beta, which includes a Gizmo preset. Jul 29 17:34:10 Let Jul 29 17:34:12 's see Jul 29 17:34:22 I have my username@proxy01.sipphone.com Jul 29 17:34:26 So, not a number Jul 29 17:34:27 Oh ok Jul 29 17:34:29 let me try that then Jul 29 17:34:30 PSTN checked Jul 29 17:34:50 In Advanced, proxy01.sipphone.com in the Outgoing proxy field Jul 29 17:35:00 Auto-detect STUN Jul 29 17:35:55 What about the authentication under the Advanced Tab? Jul 29 17:36:02 Probably a poor choice in error pages: http://nokiasucks.maemo.org/ Jul 29 17:36:13 Nothing in authentication Jul 29 17:36:16 fields blank Jul 29 17:36:44 cool Jul 29 17:36:46 hmm Jul 29 17:36:48 must be work Jul 29 17:36:49 * GeneralAntilles much preferred having it redirect to stage.maemo.org Jul 29 17:38:03 yeah...weird. I guess I'll use Skype while at work. Jul 29 17:38:33 what can I use to see the gps status over ssh? Jul 29 17:38:37 GeneralAntilles, there used to be a time where all XXX.maemo.org URLs for unknown XXX would be redirected to repository.maemo.org. That seems to have been 'fixed'... Jul 29 17:38:54 lardman, cgps Jul 29 17:38:56 or something Jul 29 17:39:08 Benson put up a gps tools package on itT at some point Jul 29 17:39:14 Find it in topics he created. Jul 29 17:39:21 ok, thanks Jul 29 17:39:51 m-vo, it should really redirect to maemo.org or something. Jul 29 17:39:57 I can receive calls, I just can't make them. Jul 29 17:40:02 I'm not sure why somebody filed a bug about that. Jul 29 17:40:08 I need 1 area code and the number. Jul 29 17:40:09 Hmmm Jul 29 17:42:39 jott: ping Jul 29 17:42:53 Argh, so it works via Gizmo but not via the internet call app Jul 29 17:43:03 http://andrew.triumf.ca/N810/repository/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/ has some barcode libraries in it Jul 29 17:43:25 GeneralAntilles, I think (without knowing anything about this) that the redirection was a mistake to begin with. Jul 29 17:44:25 * m-vo is trying to learn git by porting the h-a-m to Debian using got to manage the branch... Jul 29 17:44:37 s/got/git/ Jul 29 17:45:14 Will the debian version have the Nokia legal notice too? :p Jul 29 17:46:00 General, do you know if you need to have the number in the phone number spot for a contact or the SIP spot? Jul 29 17:46:13 SIP Jul 29 17:46:20 Ok, maybe that's the problem then. Jul 29 17:46:30 Dial the number Jul 29 17:46:37 Yeah, I've tried dialing and the same deal Jul 29 17:46:43 It worked in Gizmo but no in internet call Jul 29 17:46:47 qwerty12_N800, good point! Didn't think about it yet... Jul 29 17:47:00 I just trashed my cell phone, so trying to get this working Jul 29 17:47:08 The notice text probably needs to be moved into a configuration file. Jul 29 17:47:41 m-vo, heh, i was joking :). imagine debian users having to accept a nokia notice... :p Jul 29 17:48:35 woo, it works! Jul 29 17:48:54 qwerty12_N800, yeah, before it can be accepted into Debian, I need to push the whole "package domain" thing into libapt-pkg. Jul 29 17:49:01 That Jul 29 17:49:19 's the thing that is responsible for the legal notice. Jul 29 17:49:34 (the ' key is still too close to RET...) Jul 29 17:50:40 test Jul 29 17:50:48 fail Jul 29 17:50:53 why fail ? Jul 29 17:51:02 The test failed. Jul 29 17:51:06 no, it didn't :) Jul 29 17:51:15 Yes it did. Jul 29 17:51:19 no, it didn't Jul 29 17:51:32 Nobody actually saw your message Jul 29 17:51:40 You're just imagining that I responded. Jul 29 17:52:08 weird Jul 29 17:52:10 it works sometimes Jul 29 17:52:12 but not always Jul 29 17:52:14 man Jul 29 17:52:15 frustrating Jul 29 17:52:16 * qwerty12_N800 is reminded of the matrix Jul 29 17:55:21 crashanddie: test Jul 29 17:57:27 Would anyone know why it only "sometimes" works when making calls from Internet Call? Jul 29 17:58:39 zfigz, your SIP SP fails Jul 29 17:58:49 SP? Jul 29 17:58:54 service provider Jul 29 17:58:59 gizmo? Jul 29 17:59:03 I guess so Jul 29 17:59:09 It's really frustrating Jul 29 17:59:16 I was using Skype before but Gizmo provides caller id Jul 29 17:59:18 so Jul 29 17:59:20 i changed Jul 29 17:59:22 argh Jul 29 17:59:34 ~lart the N810 GPS for being sooo sloooow Jul 29 17:59:34 * infobot teaches the N810 GPS the basics, including how to RTM for being sooo sloooow Jul 29 18:00:07 zfigz, don't go there, again Jul 29 18:00:21 Don't go where? Jul 29 18:00:35 ranting about the GPS, again Jul 29 18:00:44 I'm not Jul 29 18:00:45 please GPS, just lock on so I can test whether Pidgin will send my location, pretty please... Jul 29 18:00:47 I'm talking about SIP Jul 29 18:00:51 The was someone else's comment Jul 29 18:01:09 crashanddie: not so much ranting as crying Jul 29 18:01:12 oh Jul 29 18:01:16 zfigz, my apologies Jul 29 18:01:25 lardman, a-gps ? Jul 29 18:01:28 6 sats, >5min with them visible and yet no lock Jul 29 18:01:29 But really...gizmo is making me mad Jul 29 18:01:48 crashanddie: not an a-gps issue, it can see the sats, just won't lock :( Jul 29 18:01:56 hmm Jul 29 18:02:02 9 now Jul 29 18:02:06 uurrgh Jul 29 18:02:21 got to go do the washing up, bbiab, perhaps I'll have a lock by then ;) Jul 29 18:03:02 * crashanddie wonders how the hell he got mCalendar installed Jul 29 18:04:11 Khertan haxed ur tablet Jul 29 18:05:12 Ehehe Jul 29 18:05:24 * GeneralAntilles still wishes we had a quote db for that one. Jul 29 18:07:23 argh, i wonder what happened to Gizmo...it was working fine and now it's all buggy. Jul 29 18:09:30 * lcuk rolls back to his computer Jul 29 18:09:38 moo again Jul 29 18:09:51 Khertan continues haxing people's tablets in Python? =) Jul 29 18:10:04 OK, lcuk, have you ever experience hildon-desktop crashes with you Apple keyboard waking from sleep? Jul 29 18:10:20 never Jul 29 18:10:21 Khertan, the Python Tablet Pwner Jul 29 18:10:49 khertan, n8x0 hacker on the go. such an inspiration Jul 29 18:10:52 Interesting Jul 29 18:11:15 OK, how about anybody with an SU-8W? Jul 29 18:12:10 mind you, the batteries are flat now, but before i knew that i first tried to connect, then brought up the console apt-getted a few things, checked the syslog, killed a few daemons ran some strange thing and somehow mangaged to install vista on my nokia. but no, its never crashed Jul 29 18:12:41 whats an su-8w? Jul 29 18:13:12 ~google su-8w Jul 29 18:13:28 an nokia bt keyboard. nokia has special support for it in the keyboard bluetooth control panel Jul 29 18:13:41 does that have the same problem? Jul 29 18:14:26 argh, still no lock, 9 sats in view Jul 29 18:14:35 ask for a core-dump Jul 29 18:14:48 weird Jul 29 18:15:01 I can't call through SIP anymore Jul 29 18:15:08 lardman: indoors? Jul 29 18:15:16 yes, by a window Jul 29 18:15:32 oh you'll be waiting a very long time... Jul 29 18:15:39 but I was assuming that the SNR numbers would take that into account.... Jul 29 18:15:59 or are they simply signal strength, not quality Jul 29 18:16:01 ? Jul 29 18:16:21 Hey, anyone here use Internet Call? Jul 29 18:16:21 in my experience you need stronger signal to get an initial lock Jul 29 18:16:43 Just curious how you get to link incoming calls to your contacts so you can see who is calling rather than having to decipher their number Jul 29 18:17:11 ShadowJK: annoying that these GPSes are closed, would be good to look at what on Earth is going on inside Jul 29 18:17:54 lardman|washing: Horrible things, I'm sure. Jul 29 18:18:08 derf_: horrible and inefficient probably Jul 29 18:18:15 zfigz: so far I'm using it mostly for calling real phones Jul 29 18:18:17 I think inefficiency is horrible. Jul 29 18:18:21 Well for the initial fix it needs to download data from the satellites, and the satellites are sending it so slowly, that if the signal strength is low and a bit or two are lost, it will take very long until it gets the whole data downloaded intact... Jul 29 18:18:29 hello Jul 29 18:18:39 zap, me too Jul 29 18:18:45 ShadowJK, I wouldn't blame it on the satellites :/ Jul 29 18:18:51 But I want to congifure my contacts so I can see who is calling me Jul 29 18:19:15 zfigz: is it displaying anything when somebody calls you Jul 29 18:19:15 ? Jul 29 18:19:29 i'll try to call my sip from my mobile :) Jul 29 18:19:45 Once it has a lock, it doesn't need half a minute of clean gps signal to tell where you are anymore, it just needs to get some amount of signal from atleast 4 at the same time Jul 29 18:19:47 Yeah Jul 29 18:19:49 It says Jul 29 18:20:02 sip:*number*@*ip address* Jul 29 18:20:13 so I guess i have to input exactly that in another box Jul 29 18:20:26 lardman|washing, i left my chinook out on the balcony when were on holiday for an afternoon - it didnt lock. i turned it off and tried again when we got back and it got a lock quickly Jul 29 18:20:27 my sirfstar bluetooth gps has issues indoors by the window too, though it's much more sensitive than N810 Jul 29 18:20:28 its a lottery Jul 29 18:20:30 my nokia 770 has got the kernel 2.6.16.27-omap1 Jul 29 18:20:46 i tried apt-get update Jul 29 18:20:55 apt-get dist-upgrade Jul 29 18:21:11 ShadowJK: I'd be interested to know if it's a sensitivity issue, or a processing issue Jul 29 18:21:22 Zap, what do you get?> Jul 29 18:21:38 lcuk: I got reasonable locks in Australia sat outside, just had to wait as it was completely cold Jul 29 18:21:38 It works for a little then says Jul 29 18:22:10 lardman|washing, were you in aus at the time though, or was this your uk testing Jul 29 18:22:55 ShadowJK: looking back at your previous comment, it takes 12.5min to download the almanac from a single satellite, but I already have that from agps; then it should take 30s for each satellite to download the ephemerides Jul 29 18:23:05 lcuk: I was actually there :) Jul 29 18:23:10 zfigz: just figuring out how to call it actually :) Jul 29 18:23:16 hehe Jul 29 18:23:19 calling it simple Jul 29 18:23:25 Yeah, 30seconds of perfect signal per satellite Jul 29 18:23:29 but I think you might have to have 2 slots for each contact Jul 29 18:23:32 oh yes Jul 29 18:23:34 one with their phone number Jul 29 18:23:35 There's no error correcting data Jul 29 18:23:38 (i think) Jul 29 18:23:47 and another with their incoming number with @ip Jul 29 18:24:02 lardman|washing, nice :D i wonder if we shouldnt write a better more descriptive front end to the gps - stick it in the mapper dialog Jul 29 18:24:09 I don't know if the fact they are displayed indicates they are seen accurately or not, I should try looking at the NMEA data I suppose Jul 29 18:24:25 if theres more info available deep within it about its state Jul 29 18:24:34 Oh there are signal strength numbers in maemo mapper... Jul 29 18:24:37 E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open 11 (11 Resource temporari) Jul 29 18:25:00 yes ShadowJK, but that doesnt help you if they are there all afternoon Jul 29 18:25:14 I think over 30 or 35 in strength is workable, but my memory is poor :) Jul 29 18:25:22 there's probably not much more info really, I'll look at the mapper code and see which nmea messages it parses, then we'll know Jul 29 18:25:41 ShadowJK: I had a lock yesterday with ~20 as the average and 26 the max Jul 29 18:26:22 zap, any luck? Jul 29 18:26:25 I don't remember ever getting a lock with signal strengths in the 20s or lower on all birds Jul 29 18:26:31 we'll see if another 30min will help it at all..... Jul 29 18:26:48 it would be cool if you could get ephemeris from agps too Jul 29 18:26:54 snr of 20 should be enough, depends on how the quality varies with the snr Jul 29 18:26:57 E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), is an? Jul 29 18:27:04 ShadowJK: you can and do Jul 29 18:27:25 can chinook upload it to the gps chip though? Jul 29 18:27:58 um Jul 29 18:27:59 diablo Jul 29 18:28:10 now i ask you why don't update the kernel ? and what sense got on my nokia 770 these two messages ? Jul 29 18:28:24 awaiting your reply, Jul 29 18:28:31 paolo Jul 29 18:28:50 zfigz: indeed, it shows sip:xxxxxx@tairo.net Jul 29 18:29:20 zap, so it looks like you have to input both right? Jul 29 18:29:44 have their phone number in the phone box for their contact and then another box (sip I guess) to reflect their incoming number. Jul 29 18:29:48 mmmh, perhaps you can add that as a SIP field to a contact, I'll try now Jul 29 18:30:47 hmm, but my SIP provider is not sipnet.ru Jul 29 18:30:59 I guess I'll have to add that tairo.net as a dummy SIP provider Jul 29 18:31:23 'cause I can't add a SIP address with a random suffix Jul 29 18:31:38 Mine is the same IP # all the time Jul 29 18:31:55 ShadowJK: yes, if you use agps-ui Jul 29 18:32:08 ShadowJK: supper's on the table, back in a bit Jul 29 18:42:45 zfigz: does not work in any way I tried Jul 29 18:43:01 perhaps Nokia software simply does not decode the incoming call phone number Jul 29 18:46:07 It wouldn't surprise me at all, the built-in contacts app is pretty lame for the most part Jul 29 19:06:55 argh, still no lock! Jul 29 19:07:26 and howwwww long has it been? :p Jul 29 19:07:54 about an hour and a half Jul 29 19:08:29 s***. I'd burn the gps chipset and buy a bt one... Jul 29 19:08:56 I have a BT one, my parents have it atm Jul 29 19:09:42 cool Jul 29 19:10:03 they used my N800 to navigate in France, quite impressive Jul 29 19:12:18 Nice.I'm really hating this garmin nuvi 300 we have. we *must* get a tomtom. Jul 29 19:12:28 http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/SNR.memo.pdf; first page "one manufacturer’s attitude towards SNR values (or Arbitrary Mystery Units as they call them!)" Jul 29 19:12:28 Yeah, my roommate borrowed the N800 and drove all around Greece for a week with it. Jul 29 19:12:46 Hahaha. Jul 29 19:15:30 lardman|tv: well, was it with maemo-mapper? Jul 29 19:15:39 or some other tool that also provides directions? Jul 29 19:15:52 or had you somehow managed to get mapper to issue you voice commands? Jul 29 19:18:38 hey, does anyone know how to refresh the font cache? Jul 29 19:18:50 fc-cache -f Jul 29 19:18:55 I'm adding theme maker support for installing new fonts along with the theme. Jul 29 19:19:05 fc-cache doesn't seem to do the trick Jul 29 19:19:09 ah Jul 29 19:19:19 wait I know, I did that when I packaged my dejavu fonts Jul 29 19:19:23 * zap looks Jul 29 19:19:29 my guess there is some 'magic Jul 29 19:19:34 yes Jul 29 19:19:42 you have to kick some process Jul 29 19:19:49 ah. cool. Jul 29 19:19:54 found it by trial and error Jul 29 19:20:07 fc-cache -f is needed anyway Jul 29 19:20:35 Man I was lucky. I did notice that reboot made the fonts available, so I would have also started the looking for the right process probably soon. Jul 29 19:20:41 konttori: mkfontdir Jul 29 19:20:45 read its manpage Jul 29 19:20:46 :) Jul 29 19:21:43 sure. But is that enough? fc-cache does the same on 'normal' linux Jul 29 19:21:50 lardman|tv, turn it off and back on again - i bet its fallen into the never lock cycle Jul 29 19:22:25 fc-cache -f -s Jul 29 19:22:37 /etc/init.d/maemo-launcher force-reload Jul 29 19:22:39 thats it Jul 29 19:22:44 Thanks! Jul 29 19:22:59 yes, -s forces mkfontdir :) Jul 29 19:23:46 Thanks! I'm compiling now and testing in a sec. Jul 29 19:26:55 I'll play around with it...I get the same sip # each time. Jul 29 19:27:05 zap, I mostly don't want to use the gizmo app Jul 29 19:27:09 zap, it's so buggy. Jul 29 19:27:52 Can you set up Gizmo to use an arbitrary SIP provider? I couldnt' find where its set up Jul 29 19:28:15 I think you can Jul 29 19:28:20 * thopiekar is searchn' for pinguinbait Jul 29 19:29:20 hey qwerty, how are you? Jul 29 19:29:23 worked! Thanks zap! Jul 29 19:29:34 konttori: np :) Jul 29 19:29:48 thopiekar, hey, i'm fine thanks, how about you? Jul 29 19:29:59 me too. thanks Jul 29 19:30:08 konttori: Are you coming to the summit? Jul 29 19:30:29 do you and your people need an downloadmanager for your projects? Jul 29 19:30:31 yeah Jul 29 19:30:47 with md5 inclued` Jul 29 19:30:58 We will also have gnome desktop search hackfest that coincides with the maemo summit partially Jul 29 19:31:09 ? Jul 29 19:31:11 konttori: *hint* https://maemo.org/news/events/registrations/register/2f91448248e711dd8bcbb7b26102ad49ad49.html Jul 29 19:31:31 konttori: I know, I approved the project this afternoon ;) Jul 29 19:31:31 konttori, its gaining real momentum now :D Jul 29 19:31:33 strigi, beagle, tracker, libferris, clucene and so on developers will also come. I've asked those guys to also try to join the maemo summit if possible Jul 29 19:31:41 X-Fade: ah. great! Jul 29 19:31:45 qwerty?? Jul 29 19:32:07 thopiekar, oh me? I need no download manager :) Jul 29 19:32:17 * lcuk needs to book hotel soon Jul 29 19:32:23 * konttori is checking the link Jul 29 19:32:34 but the server is soooo slow Jul 29 19:32:46 konttori: See everybody here: https://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/ Jul 29 19:33:17 X-Fade, stop spamming links, you have slashdotted the server now by sending us there :P Jul 29 19:33:23 but there were file-download problems downloading KDE-for-NX0 Jul 29 19:33:33 or not, qwerty?? Jul 29 19:33:48 lcuk: Well, I guess that is pretty normal for this time of day ;) Jul 29 19:34:20 thanks X-Fade . I've now joined. I'll ask some other guys to do the same tomorrow Jul 29 19:34:21 * thopiekar is asking because he's working on a downloadmanager based on python Jul 29 19:34:23 yer Jul 29 19:34:38 But there is good hope that the server situation is solved before the summit. Jul 29 19:34:49 konttori: Thanks ;) Spread the word! Jul 29 19:34:53 thopiekar, no idea, i don't use kde. penguinbait may be a better person to ask as he does the installers and hosting Jul 29 19:34:55 sure will. Jul 29 19:35:08 thopiekar, cool, a dl manager will be nice :9 Jul 29 19:35:17 I hope we can publish tracker for the device at the summit. Jul 29 19:35:20 s/:9:/:) Jul 29 19:35:42 I've packaged up sysctl stuff and ondemand tweaks, can someone see if this installs on a device without complaining? www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/SpeedTweak-0.0.1-1_all.deb Jul 29 19:35:57 It's not as fast yet as I'd like in order to recommend it yet to you guys to use as the only backend. But.. let's see in a few weeks time. Jul 29 19:35:57 ok guys i'm gonna leave now Jul 29 19:36:02 brontide, what tweaks are these? Jul 29 19:36:05 happy hacking^^ Jul 29 19:36:08 cu. Jul 29 19:36:21 cos i use performance all the time except locked Jul 29 19:36:26 wtf! 90 peope! Jul 29 19:36:31 Sweet! Jul 29 19:36:35 * lcuk should really put support for auto lower cpu on lock Jul 29 19:36:40 brontide, niice, will dpkg be enough or do you want me to use app manager Jul 29 19:36:48 konttori: We need to aim for 200 ;) Jul 29 19:36:58 adds a sysctl.conf and associated /etc/init.d stuff + making the ondemand scheduler bump to 400mhz faster Jul 29 19:37:08 Paul Ryan from Ars technica . sweet! Jul 29 19:37:27 and does a banner_ad_host exclusion list for dnsmasq Jul 29 19:37:29 konttori: It would be nice to have all the hackfest people there too. Jul 29 19:37:38 qwerty12_N800: should work on either ( I hope ) Jul 29 19:37:50 I hope many of those will be able to join. Jul 29 19:38:17 brontide, great. i hate using hildon app manager because it's so slow :/ Jul 29 19:38:48 brontide, is it safe to install/remove? Jul 29 19:39:23 it's a one-way right now... adding pre remove and post remove deb stuff as we speak Jul 29 19:39:47 qwerty12_N800: You mean updating the list views? Jul 29 19:40:03 * lcuk is building a kickass listview as we speak Jul 29 19:40:45 lcuk: gtk based? Jul 29 19:40:49 konttori, mainly startup times. it takes ages to ask me if i want to install this deb Jul 29 19:41:03 no - its in liqbase Jul 29 19:41:14 qwerty12_N800: probably connecting to the 'package dbs' Jul 29 19:41:15 cant get graphics speed anywhere else Jul 29 19:41:31 * lcuk wishes he could slide yuv underneath x Jul 29 19:41:35 Ah. indeed. Jul 29 19:41:45 brontide, hmm, it fcuked up dnsmasq Jul 29 19:42:06 * lcuk is hopeful we can use the omap and iva and pvr soon Jul 29 19:42:10 brontide join #pastebin because none of the sites are working Jul 29 19:44:54 konttori, i did think my way around the problem though, i think its possible to force the yuv mode into an arbitary rectangle on the screen. make it into a gtk widget for use Jul 29 19:45:34 would sound quite tempting Jul 29 19:45:44 a bit how mplayer is doing it (i guess) Jul 29 19:45:57 lcuk: Isn't that what video in a window does? In the media player? Jul 29 19:46:17 yer - all ive seen so far is fullscreen or windowed - as you say same as mplayer, but i think it should just work at an arbitary size Jul 29 19:46:18 nobody knows it Jul 29 19:46:23 except the guys at Nokia, of course Jul 29 19:46:50 zap: Good that konttori is a guy at Nokia ;) Jul 29 19:47:07 ah, so it's a in-company session here Jul 29 19:47:41 Well, I can try to ask tomorrow, but I am not the right person to know how to do it. Jul 29 19:47:47 zap: How so? :) Jul 29 19:48:12 konttori, its ok, was just a ponderment in a moment of madness :D Jul 29 19:48:28 n8@all Jul 29 19:48:31 im thoroughly enjoying building everything myself, ive wanted a blank canvas i can touch for years Jul 29 19:50:08 Aloha! Jul 29 19:50:25 hi sbaturzio Jul 29 19:59:09 Phew. The new theme maker is now done. I'll publish tomorrow if possible. Jul 29 20:01:04 Cool. Ever thought of making a os2007 to os2008 converter? :p. Jul 29 20:01:26 * qwerty12_N800 would like adria and appleenvy for os2008 Jul 29 20:15:53 qwerty12_N800: well, it would probably require a bit of trickery as the templates have changed. Jul 29 20:17:13 konttori, yeah. it was just an idea. hopefully more os2008 themes are made with your theme creator :) Jul 29 20:17:31 I sure hope so. Jul 29 20:17:46 I've seen a few good ones already. Jul 29 20:18:04 I'll make a tutorial screencast soon to try to get a bit more people to do theming Jul 29 20:18:51 I can see why using hildon-theme-tools would scare people off, but theme creator is brilliantly simple. Jul 29 20:19:47 thanks. Oddly enough, the hildon theme tools were created as a mimic of theme maker Jul 29 20:20:02 MDK and tuomas kuosmanen were so excited about it. Jul 29 20:20:30 anyway, such a shame mdk is gone now. Jul 29 20:20:37 (to novell) Jul 29 20:21:30 heh, it's a very deviating mimic then... Jul 29 20:22:21 well, they needed something that nicely falls into the nokia integration process. Jul 29 20:23:34 AStorm: yes, maemo-mapper Jul 29 20:23:41 lcuk: never lock cycle? Jul 29 20:25:53 lardman|tv i said earlier, i left it trying to lock all afternoon without success, when i got back in, i power cycled my nit and put it back. it locked within a few minutes Jul 29 20:26:06 lardman: Where's your DSP wiki page? Jul 29 20:27:39 * qwerty12_N800 downloaded maemo4.x_training_v1.0.tar.gz thinking it would be good... :( Jul 29 20:27:58 what was it? Jul 29 20:28:26 lcuk: right, have restarted it Jul 29 20:28:38 i gather it hadnt locked after ~2 hours? Jul 29 20:28:39 robink: trying to get you an url, maemo.org is very slow atm Jul 29 20:28:49 lardman: 'k Jul 29 20:28:52 lcuk: yeah, about that Jul 29 20:28:55 RST38h, no idea, something that was on tabletsdev... Jul 29 20:29:01 lcuk: had 11 sats though Jul 29 20:29:31 https://wiki.maemo.org/Programming_the_DSP Jul 29 20:29:34 i was practically ontop of a hotel with full clear view of a cloudless sky for an entire afternoon Jul 29 20:29:40 it just never got a lock Jul 29 20:30:07 sounds suspiciously like a fault in the GPS chipset code Jul 29 20:31:14 anyone wants to drink pussy? Jul 29 20:31:16 http://www.pussydrinks.com/pussy.html Jul 29 20:31:26 sfw Jul 29 20:32:35 well it's found one sat so far, will have to leave it be and see what happens.... Jul 29 20:37:34 * konttori is installing clutter to his osx Jul 29 20:37:39 mm Jul 29 20:38:07 just to see how nicely clutter runs on that Jul 29 20:38:09 * lcuk wants to install clutter on his nit Jul 29 20:38:46 * RST38h doesn't want any clutter Jul 29 20:39:30 What is clutter? Jul 29 20:39:32 phew - there's a lot of logos!! Jul 29 20:39:47 lbt, you get a sore finger scrollin down em all Jul 29 20:39:58 I had an assistant Jul 29 20:40:01 robink, have a look Jul 29 20:40:05 she has nice fingers :) Jul 29 20:40:13 lol Jul 29 20:40:29 re Jul 29 20:40:40 clutter is opengl toolkit that sits on top of opengl Jul 29 20:40:44 or opengl es Jul 29 20:41:01 http://clutter-project.org/ Jul 29 20:41:41 * lbt hates 3d stuff and fancy opengl windows... Jul 29 20:42:19 lbt, nothing to hate. if done correctly a 3d ui should just work. agreed though, if done wrong it sucks ass Jul 29 20:42:21 Neat. Jul 29 20:42:24 * lbt is only jealous 'cos his dual-screen is too big for a viewport Jul 29 20:42:37 clutter is really 2d toolkit that just uses opengl for rendering Jul 29 20:42:55 some say 2.5 d. I say 2d. Jul 29 20:43:08 * lcuk wishes c++ worked faster on device Jul 29 20:43:09 very accelerated 2d Jul 29 20:43:15 yeah Jul 29 20:43:23 lcuk: you should try Qt Jul 29 20:43:32 I have a suspicion that gtkmm is slow Jul 29 20:43:36 no, its compilation speed thats my kicker Jul 29 20:43:41 * konttori goes to bed Jul 29 20:43:43 and lack of autotools Jul 29 20:43:43 ah Jul 29 20:43:45 tough Jul 29 20:43:52 gnite konttori Jul 29 20:44:14 lardman: Thanks Jul 29 20:44:28 ah, reminds me when I used to work at SGI Jul 29 20:44:34 'reality centre' Jul 29 20:46:09 hey. clutter has finally page curl: http://www.clutter-project.org/blog/ Jul 29 20:46:23 (see the hello clutter lovers part) Jul 29 20:51:53 has anyone bricked his n800 while playing with alsa? Jul 29 20:53:15 kkrusty: were you reflashing the kernel every time? Jul 29 20:53:41 I was using the 'load the kernel into RAM and launch' whan I was playing with kernel Jul 29 20:53:44 pretty handy Jul 29 20:54:06 zap: no. I was writing random bytes to get noise in an infinite loop. Jul 29 20:54:19 ~lart kkrusty for what he did Jul 29 20:54:20 * infobot wallops kkrusty with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long for what he did Jul 29 20:55:16 kkrusty: to the alsa device?? Jul 29 20:55:20 yeah Jul 29 20:55:25 that should not brick the device in any way Jul 29 20:55:33 zap, you have kexec working on n8x0? :> :9 Jul 29 20:55:37 *:) Jul 29 20:55:50 it hasnt. Its just stuck on the "nokia" screen Jul 29 20:56:00 qwerty12_N800: the nokia flasher tool has such a option Jul 29 20:56:13 qwerty12_N800: instead of flashing the kernel, you can just load it into RAM and launch Jul 29 20:56:17 from NOLO Jul 29 20:56:35 kkrusty: have you tried to reflash it? Jul 29 20:56:37 zap, ah yes :), i forgot about that, thanks :) Jul 29 20:57:05 zap I think its running the binary that writes random values on startup Jul 29 20:57:08 I have no idea why Jul 29 20:57:38 kkrusty: I doubt that Jul 29 20:57:53 of course, if you haven't put your app into /etc/init.d Jul 29 20:58:40 zap: you're right Jul 29 20:58:53 I'm right about what Jul 29 20:58:53 well, if you overclock the dsp hugely, you can brick the tablet... Jul 29 20:59:06 qwerty12_N800: you mean, fry the hardware? Jul 29 21:00:05 zap, well, it can write into some path or other and destroy bootloader. you have to fix via jtag :/ Jul 29 21:00:39 when I touch the screen i hear that faint hissing sound of garbage. And the screen doesnt show anything except that startup screen; blue nokia title Jul 29 21:01:47 qwerty12_N800: jtag as in that debug connection thingy? Jul 29 21:02:54 kkrusty, yeah, the n8x0 has a "mini" serial port Jul 29 21:02:59 kkrusty: the only way to fix that afaik is to reflash it Jul 29 21:03:03 for cold-flashing Jul 29 21:03:11 jtag != serial port Jul 29 21:03:40 but perhaps they are on the same internal connector, dunno Jul 29 21:04:19 ah, i'm confused with my router. the serial port *can* do cold-flashing though. Jul 29 21:04:35 maybe Jul 29 21:05:46 no maybe about it :). I know keesj has a photo set of him using it somewhere. Jul 29 21:07:00 qwerty12_N800: I read you're interview. You make me feel I've wasted my life :( Jul 29 21:07:05 I just say this is possible, but I never seen this :) Jul 29 21:07:21 kkrusty: are you so old? :) Jul 29 21:07:39 you could say if you would be, say, 110 years or more :) Jul 29 21:08:03 I wouldnt be saying anything if I were 110. I wouldnt care Jul 29 21:08:35 unless you meant binary In which case I wouldnt care anyway :D Jul 29 21:08:36 well if you're younger, you can still catch the leaving train :) Jul 29 21:08:41 kkrusty, nah, i'm no prodigy by any means :) Jul 29 21:21:50 reflash underway Jul 29 21:23:55 if it reflashes, it is not bricked Jul 29 21:23:58 just f*d :) Jul 29 21:29:02 aaargh, still no lock! Jul 29 21:31:54 zap: it works now. How often do you have to reflash your tablets? I would imagine this happening a bit frequently for developers Jul 29 21:32:17 lardman: pong :) Jul 29 21:32:37 kkrusty, 'bout once a week Jul 29 21:35:38 Anyone know why sometimes the internal storage isn't recognized on the n810? Jul 29 21:35:42 It happens a lot ofr me Jul 29 21:35:48 Pretty much daily Jul 29 21:35:56 Numerous restarts usually fixes it Jul 29 21:36:30 kkrusty: not too often, not counting a cursed package I released a little ago :) Jul 29 21:36:51 zfigz: seems to be a hw problem Jul 29 21:37:00 or perhaps just dirty/oxided contacts Jul 29 21:37:07 hey jott Jul 29 21:37:09 hmmpf, i hope not zap Jul 29 21:37:33 zfigz: never got such a thing Jul 29 21:37:42 jott: I found a chap with some of the barcode libs in his feed, I contacted him, but he doesn't really know C, so could only help woth testing Jul 29 21:37:57 zfigz: have you changed the internal card with another one? Jul 29 21:37:58 jott: so a false alarm Jul 29 21:40:11 zap, how do you take the internal one out? Jul 29 21:40:11 anyway, night all Jul 29 21:41:29 zfigz, unless you have brilliant soldering skills, you don't. Jul 29 21:41:54 zfigz: I thought I have read something about replacing the internal mini-SD Jul 29 21:42:14 zap, I haven't read that anywhere. Jul 29 21:42:14 but I'm not sure this is possible, never tried to unscrew my n810 yet :-P Jul 29 21:42:25 If it loses contact with the internal card, it loses contact with the removable one too Jul 29 21:42:39 qwerty12_N800: is it soldered? or just inserted to a low-profile card holder? Jul 29 21:43:12 zap, it's soldered on Jul 29 21:43:52 hmmpf, I'll dig a bit more into the forums and see if I can find a fix. Jul 29 21:46:27 zap, i can check n810 schematics if you wish? :p Jul 29 21:47:26 qwerty, have you heard of this issue before? Jul 29 21:48:05 Weird, if I boot if off without it being plugged in it'll recognize the internal card Jul 29 21:48:06 man Jul 29 21:48:08 this is weird Jul 29 21:49:01 zfigz, my n800 likes to do it when I swap my internal and external cards around :/ Jul 29 21:50:24 Oh ok...because on the n800 you have 2 cards...one for your system stuff and one for removable stuff eh? Jul 29 21:50:41 qwerty12_N800: I have the schematics too, but its not indicated on the schematics if the card is soldered or not :) Jul 29 21:51:07 zfigz: maybe the external card causes it? Jul 29 21:51:15 have you changed it recently Jul 29 21:51:16 ? Jul 29 21:51:20 zfigz, Yeah, kinda, except i only use the internal slot now :) Jul 29 21:51:24 zap, changed the remoable one? Jul 29 21:51:28 ye Jul 29 21:51:32 zap, i'll check service manual then :p Jul 29 21:51:33 qwerty, I wish I had that option. Jul 29 21:51:49 it works again now :P Jul 29 21:52:09 qwerty12_N800: I don't see why Nokia would want to solder a miniSD card... Jul 29 21:52:15 its not a chip anyway Jul 29 21:52:18 for shits & giggles Jul 29 21:53:50 zap, no idea, i do remember a post from a guy saying he had to send the nokia back for repair after finding the card was soldered. dunno, but nokia have made a *lot* of shitty decsions over the hardware. Jul 29 21:57:02 yeah Jul 29 21:57:09 I'm looking forward to the next incarnation Jul 29 21:57:16 Anyone know when the N900 is due? Jul 29 21:57:30 It's a pity the wimax will be on the n810 instead of the N900 Jul 29 22:01:03 zfigz: Do you actually live anywhere that will have wimax service? Jul 29 22:01:12 hmm, the app manager do support having multiple distributions defined for a repo, yes? Jul 29 22:01:25 derf, Austin, TX Jul 29 22:01:32 I thought the main reason for buying teh WiMaX edition was the black finish? Jul 29 22:01:40 towo, that too Jul 29 22:03:10 :)) Jul 29 22:03:37 * zap hates the rose and green Asus EEE PC's with linux Jul 29 22:04:47 Is there even a scheduled deployment for Texas? Jul 29 22:05:01 * qwerty12_N800 wants a N810w despite living in London because he wants to find out about the omap_hs Jul 29 22:05:14 Hi everyne Jul 29 22:06:08 * Binky wants a N810 anywhere he lives Jul 29 22:06:44 How do you make that asterisk and 3rd person sentence? Jul 29 22:06:59 /me Jul 29 22:06:59 /me etc Jul 29 22:07:21 * Binky has learned Jul 29 22:07:30 Thank you Jul 29 22:07:37 Yer welcome. Jul 29 22:09:18 Anyway, i still learning about ITs... Why my gaim does a segmentation fault? Core dumped! Jul 29 22:09:20 the nokia linux tablets rule for reasons that are immutable and historic Jul 29 22:09:28 * qwerty12_N800 insmod's the "OMAP HS Secure Mode Driver module" on an n800 for kicks Jul 29 22:10:35 pupnik is soooo right Jul 29 22:11:01 Can you make the /me with otther people? Like Jul 29 22:11:38 and think of all the guys at nokia who pushed this 'risky' financial thing Jul 29 22:11:38 ...No, it does not appear Jul 29 22:11:46 all the guys who 'made it happen' Jul 29 22:11:51 we'll never really know their names Jul 29 22:11:55 seems like that didn't go down well: "[17867.593750] omap2_hs: Error loading omap2420_wrap.bin" Jul 29 22:12:00 * qwerty12_N800 chroots Jul 29 22:13:09 well some of them we know Jul 29 22:14:43 Is there another IM client that is not Gaim or Pidgin and can be used for MSN protocol? Jul 29 22:14:56 rtcomm beta Jul 29 22:15:31 Is for OS2006? Jul 29 22:15:50 Hmm, good point, don't think so... Jul 29 22:16:00 I do not like HEs unstability Jul 29 22:17:31 Anyway, thanks Jul 29 22:17:49 * Binky is thankful Jul 29 22:18:03 If you have a sbox, compiling tmsnc shouldnt be difficult. It's an text msn client Jul 29 22:18:22 * Binky thinks this function is amusing Jul 29 22:18:41 Please, define sbox Jul 29 22:19:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_box Jul 29 22:19:22 (but that's not actually what he was talking about) Jul 29 22:19:27 sbox = scratchbox Jul 29 22:19:44 Binky, scratchbox. it's an cross compiling environment that runs on an linux computer. Jul 29 22:20:59 I have Debian, but nver heard about it. Can i compile in my tablet with xterm? Like make, make install... Jul 29 22:22:12 * Binky cannot stop doing thisss Jul 29 22:22:51 Binky, enable swap. Jul 29 22:22:56 HE is fine with swap enabled. Jul 29 22:23:07 and install seatbelt Jul 29 22:24:19 I have 64 MBs enabled, but no idea of what is seatbelt Jul 29 22:25:10 And I don't like speakers don't work in OS2008 Jul 29 22:25:54 I hope there are plans for a DiabloHE Jul 29 22:29:05 Speaker works fine Jul 29 22:29:08 Just not for system sounds. Jul 29 22:33:04 What's the power draw of most Atheros wireless chipsets? Jul 29 22:34:27 hello all. is there a phone that uses the maemo platform? Jul 29 22:34:37 no Jul 29 22:35:05 in the pipeline? Jul 29 22:35:44 Nokia does not announce future product plans. Jul 29 22:36:18 rumours? Jul 29 22:36:29 always Jul 29 22:36:31 jagernot, but you would have thought if nokia wanted to put a phone in it they would have by now Jul 29 22:36:44 Personally, I _really_ hope not. Jul 29 22:36:47 why dont they put the phone in it? Jul 29 22:37:00 Cellular nonsense will really destroy the platform. Jul 29 22:37:03 because at this point, its not a phone Jul 29 22:37:09 no it wont gen Jul 29 22:37:12 Because GSM radios are stupid and pointless. Jul 29 22:37:16 but thats a different topic :P Jul 29 22:37:32 Yes it will. Jul 29 22:37:37 How can it not? Jul 29 22:37:54 pointless is unlimited easy internet anywhere Jul 29 22:38:01 general: how without cell is maemo better? Jul 29 22:38:06 stupid is 1 device instead of two Jul 29 22:38:14 There's all sorts of stupid shit they have to do to comply with carriers and government regulation. Jul 29 22:38:21 lcuk, I'd have to agree with GeneralAntilles. phone locking, network branding, possibly more stuff getting closed etc Jul 29 22:38:31 I'd hate my IT if it would be a phone. I think in my 770 as a laptop and a way to take my vice(s) anywhere i'm going. Jul 29 22:38:33 and this is nokia we are talking about: number 1 in the world at cellular phones Jul 29 22:38:39 All of this is resources taken away from making Maemo awesome Jul 29 22:38:47 this aint no sealskin makers Jul 29 22:38:51 and put towards making it into a cellular platform. Jul 29 22:39:05 they ^ Jul 29 22:39:06 ffs Jul 29 22:39:32 you dont have to buy a phone locked to any network Jul 29 22:39:47 There's still tons of bullshit they have to comply with. Jul 29 22:39:51 you can buy it completely free and exactly 100% nokia software Jul 29 22:39:54 Cellular stuff is bad juju. Jul 29 22:39:54 GeneralAntilles, system sounds? Will a media player play all my music _loudly_? Jul 29 22:40:11 Binky, played movies just fine here. Jul 29 22:41:08 I'll give a try. Jul 29 22:41:16 Anyway, I wouldn't own a tablet if it were a phone. Jul 29 22:41:19 Come think of it, some networks aren't ken on VoIP, so that may have to go... Jul 29 22:41:23 It's huge and sucks as a phone. Jul 29 22:41:23 how about a cellular 3g modem. no voice circuits - that answers all my concerns and you just buy a pod and put a sim in it Jul 29 22:41:38 Goodbye, battery life! Jul 29 22:41:44 s/ken/keen/ Jul 29 22:41:44 qwerty12_N800 meant: Come think of it, some networks aren't keen on VoIP, so that may have to go... Jul 29 22:41:59 GeneralAntilles, just like wifi - choose which radio you want to use - just like now Jul 29 22:42:13 I have a cellphone with a separate battery to handle 3g for me. Jul 29 22:42:22 This setup works perfectly well for me, thanks. Jul 29 22:43:34 * GeneralAntilles wonders what movies he should take with him on the plane. Jul 29 22:43:49 Oh, ha, I'm having lunch with an iPhone engineer at Apple next week. Jul 29 22:43:55 Should be interesting. Jul 29 22:43:56 does n810 have 3d acceleration? thanks Jul 29 22:44:03 airplane? :D Jul 29 22:44:05 Hardware, no drivers. Jul 29 22:44:25 Is probably the most stupid question ever and i feel like i know the answer, but i want to be sure. You can't flash the tablet from its own, true? I mean, without a PC... Oh god, i feel idiot =P Jul 29 22:44:45 Well, uh, you can. Jul 29 22:45:02 But depending on what you actually want to flash that can range from easy to involved. Jul 29 22:45:49 I want to flash OS2008HE on my tablet. I wouldn't mind if in my MMC. Jul 29 22:46:45 Btw, how do you call in english this letter? "Ñ" . I feel cuurious about it... Jul 29 22:47:06 too bad you cant flash if you had two tablets Jul 29 22:47:29 Ohhhh Jul 29 22:47:50 that would be kind of awesome Jul 29 22:49:02 And can you active the USB Host mode in the tablet with the flasher without a PC? Jul 29 22:49:43 yea you can activate it without a pc Jul 29 22:50:01 from commandline or some applet Jul 29 22:52:38 --enable-rd-mode echo host > /sys/devices/platform/tahvo-usb/otg_mode ?? Jul 29 22:53:40 * robink remerges GLIBC. Jul 29 22:54:16 i dont know off the top of my head, something like that Jul 29 22:59:16 curses! Jul 29 22:59:37 slang? Jul 29 22:59:52 If some package depends on another (library) package, and the library package is not visible (e.g. not Section: user), App Manager cannot install it :-((( Jul 29 23:00:21 Redpill mode? Jul 29 23:00:23 this means everybody has to clutter the app manager just to make the main package installable Jul 29 23:00:38 Redpill mode is for geeks, I'm thinking about regular users Jul 29 23:00:48 zap, seriously? canola has many things without user/ but they install fine Jul 29 23:01:33 qwerty12_N800: I checked twice Jul 29 23:01:45 apt-cache policy shows the package Jul 29 23:01:53 I mean the library package Jul 29 23:02:10 it has Section: libs Jul 29 23:02:50 ~lart Application Manager Jul 29 23:02:51 * infobot takes out a cattle prod and gives Application Manager a good jolt Jul 29 23:10:38 what will filemanager do if a mime type has two associated programs? Which of the two will run? Jul 29 23:11:54 zap, there can't be two afaik. it looks at defaults.list Jul 29 23:12:08 or is that applications.llist?... Jul 29 23:39:08 qwerty12_N800: association is defined in the .desktop file Jul 29 23:39:27 every app may list which mime types it handles Jul 29 23:40:21 But it still reads defaults.list Jul 29 23:41:24 actually, does it? /me rechecks Jul 29 23:42:56 I don't even know what's defaults.list Jul 29 23:43:18 ah, /etc/gnome/ Jul 29 23:43:49 this file is locked by distro, it's not changed by any subsequentially installed packages Jul 29 23:47:30 I found whats the problem with the library I was talking about Jul 29 23:47:47 there's already a older version of that library, and it's locked by osso-software-version-blah :-( Jul 30 00:07:51 oh my gott, application manager is open source! Jul 30 00:10:23 Bah, sh is saying an app I compiled isn't there. Jul 30 00:12:51 Can't test it from scratchbox as it uses the DSP. Jul 30 00:15:00 isnt where Jul 30 00:15:12 maybe its missing a shared lib? do a ldd on it Jul 30 00:18:47 Hello Jul 30 00:19:44 I am having some trouble getting an application to run on my Nokia 770 Jul 30 00:19:58 and I have a few questions if anyone feels like helping Jul 30 00:24:19 zap: It's sh that's complaining, not the app itself. Jul 30 00:32:27 Frustrated, just go ahead and ask Jul 30 00:32:41 Frustrated, there's no point in asking if you can ask, if we know the answer, we'll reply, and we'll help Jul 30 00:33:40 whens the new tablet coming out Jul 30 00:33:53 id think soon Jul 30 00:35:35 to answer all the people who as me why. its because omap3 boards are now $150 Jul 30 00:36:40 hello hello is this this thing on. hello Jul 30 00:37:06 smackpotato, what the hell are you on about ? Jul 30 00:37:21 smackpotato, if you really want to talk to yourself, a mirror usually does the trick pretty good Jul 30 00:37:40 sorry Jul 30 00:38:00 I am wondering, does the Nokia 770 already have GTK+ version 2.1? Jul 30 00:38:01 a development board for the ti omap3 is $150 Jul 30 00:38:34 do you have an opinion on this Jul 30 00:41:47 my opinion is comercial products are come in soon, and im excited to the point of phycosis Jul 30 00:42:45 You mean psychosis? Jul 30 00:44:24 ya Jul 30 00:44:42 and come in = coming Jul 30 01:03:23 What do you mean commercial products? Jul 30 01:07:27 maybe a $100 arm computer or maybe a new internet tablet. is there anything out there now? Jul 30 01:14:07 Any new products like that? Jul 30 01:17:21 yes? Jul 30 01:19:34 Perhaps some of the new ultralight laptops Jul 30 01:19:42 Theres the Nokia 810 Jul 30 01:19:53 which isn't really new, but atleast recent Jul 30 01:21:34 * robink attempts to build the malloc-based dsp-tremor. Jul 30 01:22:46 go robink! Jul 30 01:22:51 ? Jul 30 01:23:07 your interest in the dsp Jul 30 01:23:14 Oh. Jul 30 01:23:45 smackpotato, the n810WE will come out Jul 30 01:23:50 My real problem is that I am trying to use my Nokia 770 at work to update to Twitter.com Jul 30 01:24:09 HA Jul 30 01:24:16 Now there's your main problem, my friend Jul 30 01:24:35 however the focal "Update" button will not work, and I am interested to see if there is a functional program I can find specialised for twitter Jul 30 01:24:35 And, as far as I can tell Jul 30 01:24:38 you're screwed Jul 30 01:24:47 there is such a program Jul 30 01:24:56 which is called Mitter Jul 30 01:25:14 http://code.google.com/p/mitter/ Jul 30 01:25:20 * robink tries to figure out lardman's build system. Jul 30 01:25:20 that is the project page Jul 30 01:25:30 Frustrated, do i gather this is mainline linux and you are willing to compile this up yourself Jul 30 01:25:36 I love it when people just don't give a rat's ass about what you're saying Jul 30 01:25:56 I am willing, but I've never done it before Jul 30 01:26:25 ok, what os have you got on your 770 and what is your main usage pattern Jul 30 01:26:27 Hi o/ Jul 30 01:26:51 This is my first real attempt at using linux, and before I was using only code I could install with the Application Manager Jul 30 01:26:59 ie: would you be willing to try the os2008hacker edition and seeing if its stable for you Jul 30 01:27:16 Its the stock OS Jul 30 01:27:22 Would it void my warranty? Jul 30 01:27:26 no Jul 30 01:27:49 Alright, hows it work/ Jul 30 01:28:35 i dunno - you might actually be able to use pygtk on your 770, have you any idea if you can Jul 30 01:28:40 jfgi Jul 30 01:29:23 I was trying to figure out how earlier actually, but got nowhere Jul 30 01:29:57 its very likely that python got integrated much later, and certainly a newer version would require the latest os Jul 30 01:30:36 search google for the hacker edition of os2008 and see if you want to try upgrading to it Jul 30 01:31:48 I have the python runtime version 2.5 installed Jul 30 01:31:50 once you have the lastest os, you are in a better position to try running python programs. it might actually work well for you, but be warned os2008 on the old 770 might make it unstable for certain things, read it all. maybe consider os2007 since its more stable Jul 30 01:31:58 try it then.. Jul 30 01:32:05 I have Jul 30 01:32:06 * lcuk should save his fingers Jul 30 01:32:16 it installed without a problem Jul 30 01:32:35 however when I try to load Mitter from the list of program nothing happens Jul 30 01:32:39 not even a loading screen Jul 30 01:33:13 and when I try to load it from Xterm I get an error about wrapping Jul 30 01:34:13 How to configure openvpn on maemo? Jul 30 01:34:40 which I understand, is probaby more relevant to the developers, but I was hoping I could get some help installing pygtk Jul 30 01:35:11 because I think I am probably having a UI problem if nothing pops up when I try to load the ui version Jul 30 01:36:27 Is's my config http://www.pastebin.ca/1086692 Jul 30 01:37:42 What is wrong Jul 30 01:38:08 Frustrated, the OS running on the stock 770 is pretty much outdated, not a lot of people use it (most people have an n8x0, which uses chinook/diablo) Jul 30 01:38:31 Understood Jul 30 01:40:21 Anyone use openvpn? Jul 30 01:40:29 Not I. Jul 30 01:40:37 AQctually, I am curious about openvpn myself Jul 30 01:41:47 The tun do not up ;/ Jul 30 01:43:55 What architecture does the n770 use? Jul 30 01:44:43 I tried to install an "armel" package which game me an "Incompatible Package" error Jul 30 01:48:53 Frustrated, the 770 under OS2006 is armel Jul 30 01:49:05 but there are a lot of things that could cause an incompatible package message Jul 30 01:49:47 Thanks Jul 30 01:49:57 I have been recommended to try "Red Pill Mode" Jul 30 01:50:11 avoid that if you can Jul 30 01:50:31 johnx: do u use openvpn on maemo? Jul 30 01:50:38 Frustrated, if possible just run dpkg and apt-get from the command line Jul 30 01:50:40 smyows, nope Jul 30 01:50:56 I dont have wifi at home Jul 30 01:50:58 :\ Jul 30 01:51:17 smyows, I don't think I have access to any VPNs at this point in my life. I'd have to make one first... Jul 30 01:51:55 Frustrated, so you download packages from the internet and put them on your rs-mmc card? Jul 30 01:52:02 What is "Red PIll Mode exactly Jul 30 01:52:27 I am right now, otherwisre I just search for compatible packages Jul 30 01:52:30 Frustrated, it relaxes the rules for what kind of things are allowed to install Jul 30 01:53:07 but it can lead to problems because it can let you install incompatible things Jul 30 01:53:24 also, sometimes it will let you update packages that shouldn't be updated Jul 30 01:54:20 well it doesnt work anyways Jul 30 01:54:43 I am missing other things Jul 30 02:18:33 I hate it when I get done with a project and realize I should have done it differently Jul 30 02:19:20 I usually find it worse when I'm 75% done and find out that I should do it differently Jul 30 02:20:33 * GeneralAntilles just got back from Dark Knight viewing #3. :P Jul 30 02:21:05 * brontide mumbles to himself ... need to see that movie Jul 30 02:21:35 Make sure you see it in IMAX Jul 30 02:21:47 I like it less when I find I NEED to do it differently Jul 30 02:22:28 tweaking generally it would fall into what... sysctl, sysfs, prefs.js, blocked hosts, chrome, gconf, and what others? Jul 30 02:26:07 is there a way to send sms messages from my n810? Jul 30 02:26:16 without bluetooth/cellphone Jul 30 02:26:27 Find some sort of web service. Jul 30 02:26:35 there are webbased sms services Jul 30 02:26:38 Or use AIM. Jul 30 02:26:59 hmm Jul 30 02:27:05 apparently google even has one :) Jul 30 02:27:10 is there a client that can do that? Jul 30 02:27:14 rather than use my web browser Jul 30 02:27:25 seems like the presence client on maemo should do that Jul 30 02:27:26 Or use AIM. Jul 30 02:27:45 or skype Jul 30 02:27:58 apparently gtalk as well Jul 30 02:28:06 what's gtalk? Jul 30 02:28:10 heh Jul 30 02:28:11 google talk Jul 30 02:28:18 oh ok. gizmo might do that too Jul 30 02:28:52 Options galore! Jul 30 02:28:58 is there actual google talk on n810? Jul 30 02:29:08 Hrm . . . Brazil or Psycho? Jul 30 02:29:15 pppoe_dude, . . . Jul 30 02:29:34 GeneralAntilles, have you already seen both? I say Brazil if you haven't seen it Jul 30 02:29:36 The whole chat framework is basically GTalk/SIP/Jabber as shipped. Jul 30 02:29:45 No, haven't seen either. Jul 30 02:29:53 Well, saw Psycho a really long time ago. Jul 30 02:29:59 GeneralAntilles, seems like sip/jabber Jul 30 02:30:07 google talk is jabber... Jul 30 02:30:12 johnx, jabber and more Jul 30 02:30:28 jabber + some kind of voice addon Jul 30 02:30:29 it uses xmpp but has its own features Jul 30 02:30:39 you can sign into a gtalk account with any jabber client Jul 30 02:30:42 Loading up the tablet for the flight tomorrow. Jul 30 02:30:56 johnx, true, but you can't use all the features Jul 30 02:31:06 correct Jul 30 02:31:07 hence why i was wondering if google talk actually allows sending sms from the client Jul 30 02:31:38 apparently it works by relaying it through some 3rd party Jul 30 02:32:03 it's just some user-provided feature Jul 30 02:32:08 So then, how do I install a tar.gz file? Jul 30 02:32:38 Frustrated, .tar.gz is just a generic archive format, like .zip Jul 30 02:32:42 it depends on the contents Jul 30 02:32:57 Thank you Jul 30 02:33:32 what are you trying to install? Jul 30 02:41:35 * GeneralAntilles is getting around the spare battery limit by bringing a 770. Jul 30 02:41:46 Nothing yet Jul 30 02:42:19 Ive sort of given up on it Jul 30 02:42:26 I dont think I'm going to find anything just yet Jul 30 02:42:42 and I think I should just wait until Twitter reinstates IM updates Jul 30 02:42:51 and I can just work with GAIM Jul 30 02:47:57 Thanks for all your help, I'm sure Ill be back in again Jul 30 02:54:16 * robink hopes lardman comes back soon. Jul 30 02:57:16 It's like 4AM in England. Jul 30 02:59:14 Hello,everyone **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 30 02:59:56 2008