**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 01 02:59:56 2008
Aug 01 03:47:58 <GAN800> Hrm, what do I need to be able to get pictures off my camera directly?
Aug 01 03:48:11 <GAN800> Forgot the CF reader.
Aug 01 03:49:47 * GAN800 is pleased to see the MyBook working great first try.
Aug 01 03:51:45 <GAN800> ping = 28.3s
Aug 01 05:15:44 <Dekaritae> http://search.ebay.com/zimbabwe-banknotes
Aug 01 05:18:32 <JZA> hi what's the password for root
Aug 01 05:18:34 <JZA> I got sudo
Aug 01 05:18:46 <JZA> but I still don't know the password for root default to diablo
Aug 01 05:19:49 <derf> Just change it.
Aug 01 05:20:13 <JZA> how?
Aug 01 05:20:23 <JZA> I need a password to change the password
Aug 01 05:20:25 <JZA> :)
Aug 01 05:20:40 <JZA> passwd by itself wont work
Aug 01 05:20:44 <JZA> I need to become root
Aug 01 05:20:46 <derf> It will if you're root.
Aug 01 05:20:51 <derf> You said you had sudo.
Aug 01 05:20:56 <JZA> ...how do i become root
Aug 01 05:21:07 <JZA> I got sudoer (the program)
Aug 01 05:21:09 <derf> By using one of the 50 "becomeroot" packages?
Aug 01 05:21:32 <JZA> do I need a password for that?
Aug 01 05:21:37 <derf> No.
Aug 01 05:21:45 <JZA> well I got gainroot and still doenst work
Aug 01 05:22:04 <derf> Seriously, Google "maemo become root".
Aug 01 05:22:15 <JZA> I did and sent me to this
Aug 01 05:22:15 <JZA> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/
Aug 01 05:22:15 <derf> And follow directions.
Aug 01 05:22:31 <derf> I'm pretty sure that's not the first Google result.
Aug 01 05:22:52 <bef0rd> install rootsh from the maemo extras repository
Aug 01 05:23:05 <bef0rd> then you can type 'root' at xterm
Aug 01 05:23:38 <JZA> ok got it, I need openssh
Aug 01 05:23:53 <JZA> it will prompt for a password during install
Aug 01 05:24:02 <bef0rd> uhm no, you don't need openssh just to get root
Aug 01 05:24:31 <bef0rd> jza, http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
Aug 01 05:24:41 <JZA> I just became root
Aug 01 05:25:03 <Mikho> I think nokia should not make getting root access this unintuitive
Aug 01 05:26:06 <JZA> yeah well I also think they should allow Xvnc to be on Diablo too
Aug 01 05:26:14 <JZA> specially if I want to do some pymaemo
Aug 01 05:26:27 <JZA> I think they have some VM but oh well
Aug 01 06:04:09 <hrw|gone> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/
Aug 01 06:06:57 <bef0rd> cool hrw|gone
Aug 01 06:31:02 <hrw> morning
Aug 01 06:31:30 <hrw> so now anyone can use maemo in qemu
Aug 01 06:35:14 <hrw> can someone with n800 show me /proc/mtd contents?
Aug 01 06:36:21 <rm_you> http://pastebin.ca/1089350
Aug 01 06:36:41 <hrw> thx
Aug 01 06:36:44 <aspect> transcribing by hand:
Aug 01 06:36:49 <aspect> ... damn, beaten :)
Aug 01 06:37:41 <hrw> rm_you: you have diablo - right?
Aug 01 06:37:51 <rm_you> yes
Aug 01 06:38:00 <rm_you> lol aspect
Aug 01 06:38:02 <macoute> btw, what is the current situation with diablo extras?
Aug 01 06:38:06 <rm_you> ssh -> n800 = win
Aug 01 06:38:17 <rm_you> macoute: they are getting fairly full
Aug 01 06:38:21 <pupnik> http://qurl.org/jy  possibly the best picture ever
Aug 01 06:38:40 <macoute> rm_you: would you recommend switching to that already? the versions should be pretty much the same, right?
Aug 01 06:38:51 <rm_you> lolwtf pup
Aug 01 06:39:06 <rm_you> macoute: yeah, i switched back already
Aug 01 06:39:25 <macoute> rm_you: oki, maybe ill do it soon
Aug 01 06:39:45 <macoute> damn windows...
Aug 01 06:40:07 <macoute> it seems that it is too hard to copy a file of 300M over network to a shared directory
Aug 01 06:41:46 <macoute> whoo, third time did the trick
Aug 01 06:45:10 <rm_you> bbl
Aug 01 07:07:17 <befr0d_> ;_;
Aug 01 07:10:09 <buti__> hello, i have problem with bluetooth discoverying devices on python, when discovery process is almost done the script stuck before DiscoveryComplete signal, when i try kill this process the N800 is restarting, anyone have some solutions for this?
Aug 01 07:21:33 <hrw> Diablo booted in qemu
Aug 01 07:21:42 <hrw> qwerty12: hi and thx for dumps
Aug 01 07:21:53 <hrw> qwerty12: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/
Aug 01 07:21:57 <qwerty12> hi hrw, no problem.
Aug 01 07:22:03 <qwerty12> Ha, great, thanks, reading now
Aug 01 07:23:51 <qwerty12> Wow, can't wait for the patches :)
Aug 01 07:25:48 <hrw> qwerty12: its qemu HEAD
Aug 01 07:26:22 <qwerty12> Ah, ok
Aug 01 07:29:58 <hrw> but n810 emulation does not works for me - I need to catch Andrew later and ask him few questions
Aug 01 07:34:33 <rm_you_> lcuk: so.
Aug 01 07:35:03 <pupnik> http://qurl.org/ky  No Comment
Aug 01 07:35:39 <rm_you> rofl
Aug 01 07:35:52 <rm_you> that guy has some serious manboobs >_>
Aug 01 07:36:05 <qwerty12> lmao
Aug 01 07:36:06 <rm_you> pupnik: you sure have some interesting pics tonight <_<
Aug 01 07:38:31 <liri> lol
Aug 01 07:38:50 <liri> when it rains it pours...
Aug 01 07:39:18 <liri> couldn't get my hands on the N800/N810 and now I can get both
Aug 01 07:39:33 <qwerty12> Haha, nice
Aug 01 07:39:43 <hrw> indeed
Aug 01 07:40:00 <liri> I can get the N800 for $222 or the N810 for $342
Aug 01 07:40:49 <liri> I always wanted to get the N800 cause of the 2 SD slots and didn't care much about the HW keyboard or the GPS since I figured I can buy an exteral GPS BT module
Aug 01 07:40:54 <liri> *external
Aug 01 07:41:18 <liri> although the N800 is from ebay and it'll take time to get here plus shipping while the N810 is local
Aug 01 07:41:19 <rm_you> GET THE N800!!!
Aug 01 07:41:23 <rm_you> they are getting harder to find
Aug 01 07:41:27 <rm_you> get one while you still can
Aug 01 07:42:12 <liri> really?
Aug 01 07:42:21 <liri> I know they are harder to find
Aug 01 07:42:24 <qwerty12> I personally prefer N800 but I cannot deny the keyboard on the N810 is useful.
Aug 01 07:44:41 * qwerty12 apt-gets mtd-tools
Aug 01 07:44:55 <buti__> anybody knows how to open wifi connection select window form console?
Aug 01 07:45:12 <hrw> via dbus
Aug 01 07:45:46 <buti__> but how? :)
Aug 01 07:46:07 <buti__> could you give me any examle
Aug 01 07:46:42 <hrw> go to ITT forums - iirc in 'personal menu' thread there was example
Aug 01 07:47:03 <qwerty12> Maybe a tiny app that uses libiconic could work too...
Aug 01 07:47:37 <buti__> thanks
Aug 01 07:49:29 <qwerty12> I'm actually quite tempted to dpkg-repack icd1 :/
Aug 01 07:49:54 <hrw> icd1?
Aug 01 07:50:45 <qwerty12> Diablo's icd is icd2, I guess I'm just calling chinook's icd, icd1 for continuity purposes :)
Aug 01 07:51:34 <hrw> what it is?
Aug 01 07:53:03 <qwerty12> Ah, the internet connectivity daemon. Provides the stuff like the select connection window etc. The icd2 which is in Diablo doesn't have support for DUMMY connections (which people use for connecting via LAN or PAN) and it's just more buggier.
Aug 01 07:53:23 * qwerty12 suspects icd2 is here because of the IPv6 and WiMax stuff
Aug 01 08:00:24 <aquatix> morning all
Aug 01 08:00:39 <qwerty12> morning aquatix
Aug 01 08:03:28 <RST38h> moo, qwerty
Aug 01 08:04:57 <qwerty12> quack
Aug 01 08:05:41 * RST38h catches qwerty12 and sells him to the Evil French
Aug 01 08:05:56 <qwerty12> OH NOEZ!
Aug 01 08:07:51 <melmoth> We are not evil !
Aug 01 08:07:57 * melmoth slap RST38h with a baguette
Aug 01 08:08:01 <befr0d_> muhahaha
Aug 01 08:08:20 * aquatix grabs baguette mid-air and eats it
Aug 01 08:08:27 <aquatix> those are damn good :)
Aug 01 08:08:55 <hrw> hmm.. breakfast...
Aug 01 08:09:20 <aquatix> ;)
Aug 01 08:09:54 <hrw> I like that idea
Aug 01 08:11:37 * qwerty12 is lazy. Microwave pizza ftw
Aug 01 08:12:08 <hrw> qwerty12: you are young and like to eat crapfood
Aug 01 08:12:24 <qwerty12> hehe
Aug 01 08:15:22 <hrw> I do not even own microwave oven
Aug 01 08:19:21 <qwerty12> Omg, but how do you warm the 10 takeaways that you want to eat later
Aug 01 08:21:04 <aspect> it's called an oven
Aug 01 08:21:19 <aspect> or a saucepan with a bit of jazz
Aug 01 08:22:05 <qwerty12> but the oven is too slow, i'm too impatient. i want my food now, or i will take up cannibalism
Aug 01 08:22:55 <hrw> qwerty12: takeways??
Aug 01 08:23:51 <qwerty12> hrw, I live in London, we have thousands...
Aug 01 08:24:18 <qwerty12> Chinese, Indian, Vegetarian, Chicken and Chips...
Aug 01 08:24:35 <qwerty12> Oh yes, Fish and Chips too
Aug 01 08:26:49 * qwerty12 is seeing the initfs_flasher in a whole new light after he changed the font size. I'm wierd.
Aug 01 08:28:52 <zap_> the brightness applet guys must try it too
Aug 01 08:29:00 <Khertan> Hi !
Aug 01 08:29:42 <qwerty12> zap_, yeah. I wouldn't actually mind the font size being bigger and the rotation buttons shrinked a little bit
Aug 01 08:29:59 <Khertan> X-Fade > is there a problem with extras builder actually ?
Aug 01 08:31:11 <Khertan> X-Fade > does there is some modification since yesterday ?
Aug 01 08:33:57 <zap_> qwerty12: shhh, this is taboo!
Aug 01 08:34:54 <qwerty12> heh
Aug 01 08:37:37 <trickie|work> qwerty12: hrw: nice work on the config.mtd stuff
Aug 01 08:37:39 <trickie|work> woo hoo!
Aug 01 08:38:21 <trickie|work> i was about to ready to mug you hrw for your non-distributable config.mtd at linuxtag
Aug 01 08:38:22 <trickie|work> :)
Aug 01 08:38:39 <qwerty12> trickie, and then give it me right? :P
Aug 01 08:38:49 <trickie|work> of course
Aug 01 08:39:06 <RST38h> melmoth: Ask the goose! =)
Aug 01 08:39:06 <trickie|work> i owe you something cool already ;)
Aug 01 08:39:19 <qwerty12> :)
Aug 01 08:39:22 <hrw> trickie|work: I still can accept beer on maemo summit ;D
Aug 01 08:39:48 <trickie|work> hrw: unfortunately i cannot make it... but next time isee a beer for sure!
Aug 01 08:39:54 <trickie|work> next time i see you
Aug 01 08:39:55 <RST38h> Exchanging sensitive data for beer. THAT is what is all about =)
Aug 01 08:40:12 <qwerty12> hrw, like a hummer, the value of your config.mtd is going down thanks to your recent work :P
Aug 01 08:40:14 <hrw> RST38h: ;D
Aug 01 08:40:42 <trickie|work> http://www.embeddedlinuxconference.com/elc_europe08/index.html <- anyone interested in that?
Aug 01 08:41:20 <hrw> trickie|work: you have some free entry cards?
Aug 01 08:41:50 <trickie|work> i wish... i wasn't going to but then i see they have a 'hobbyist' entry price
Aug 01 08:41:53 <trickie|work> not far from me
Aug 01 08:42:00 <trickie|work> so i guess ill go check it out
Aug 01 08:42:45 <hrw> the problem for me is that I am more professionalist then hobbyist but prefer hobbyist price
Aug 01 08:43:09 <trickie|work> yeah well id like to be more than a 'hobbyist'
Aug 01 08:43:13 <trickie|work> i wonder how they differentiate
Aug 01 08:44:04 <trickie|work> maybe if a company buys it it is the larger price
Aug 01 08:44:41 <qwerty12> hrw, play dumb
Aug 01 08:45:40 <hrw> qwerty12: few CELF guys know me as I did some jobs for them in past
Aug 01 08:46:11 <qwerty12> hrw, Ah. Don't think that would go down to well then...
Aug 01 08:46:15 <qwerty12> *too
Aug 01 08:56:30 <jihoon> Hi, My n810 is shut down completely after the suspend mode.
Aug 01 08:56:38 <jihoon> Are there anyone who know about this?
Aug 01 08:56:43 <hrw> trickie|work: mamona/qemu was possible even before
Aug 01 08:56:46 <jihoon> Please, help me
Aug 01 08:57:00 <hrw> trickie|work: iirc mamona boots to rootfs not to initfs
Aug 01 08:57:26 <trickie|work> hrw: yes i had it working with mamona
Aug 01 08:57:28 <trickie|work> somewhat
Aug 01 08:57:40 <trickie|work> some issues when you really started using e17
Aug 01 08:57:56 <trickie|work> and mamona boots using maemo kernel + initfs
Aug 01 08:58:01 <trickie|work> for now
Aug 01 08:58:11 <hrw> ok
Aug 01 08:58:18 <trickie|work> until we have enough replacements for proprietary bits
Aug 01 08:58:24 <trickie|work> :)
Aug 01 08:58:38 <trickie|work> ill try qemu HEAD soon
Aug 01 09:00:01 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Aug 01 09:00:12 <trickie|work> morning
Aug 01 09:01:06 <trickie|work> im not that scary am i?
Aug 01 09:03:02 <qwerty12> trickie|work, No. Just scarier than the average person. :P
Aug 01 09:03:16 <trickie|work> ha
Aug 01 09:04:22 <hrw> ~lart me...
Aug 01 09:04:37 <hrw> chinook kernel + diablo initfs/rootfs == non-booting qemu
Aug 01 09:04:42 <qwerty12> infobot's on strike
Aug 01 09:04:56 <qwerty12> hrw, using chinook kernel messes up on real device too :/
Aug 01 09:06:22 <Khertan> lol
Aug 01 09:10:13 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ updated
Aug 01 09:11:35 <trickie|work> cool
Aug 01 09:11:40 <qwerty12> Brilliant, I can use this to test out my initfs changes :)
Aug 01 09:14:34 <hrw> if you have fast computer
Aug 01 09:14:54 <X-Fade> Khertan: Change? How so?
Aug 01 09:16:33 <qwerty12> hrw, It's decent enough, should be able to cope :)
Aug 01 09:16:49 <Khertan> X-Fade> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/mcalendar_0.2.9-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Aug 01 09:16:50 <Khertan> :)
Aug 01 09:17:23 <X-Fade> Khertan: Well, I guess it punishes you for a crappy .changes? :)
Aug 01 09:17:34 <X-Fade> Khertan: I think it finally had enough :D
Aug 01 09:18:19 <Khertan> my .changes isn't crappy !
Aug 01 09:18:24 <X-Fade> Khertan: Ehm changelog. Is that the french date again?
Aug 01 09:18:59 <Khertan> hum ... i ven't any problem before ...
Aug 01 09:19:06 <X-Fade> Khertan: Was just messing with you ;)
Aug 01 09:19:07 <Khertan> packages was built the same way ...
Aug 01 09:19:19 <Khertan> X-Fade > hum ...
Aug 01 09:19:44 <X-Fade> Khertan: Yeah, your date is in french.
Aug 01 09:19:54 <Khertan> the source don't include the .changes log ?
Aug 01 09:20:16 <Khertan> X-Fade> hum ... this is strange ... never had problem with that before
Aug 01 09:20:26 <Khertan> maybe something that change on my device ...
Aug 01 09:20:44 <X-Fade> Khertan: Did you change your locale?
Aug 01 09:20:45 <Khertan> i ll verify that local is right setted in py2deb.py
Aug 01 09:21:08 <X-Fade>  -- Beno..t HERVIER <khertan@khertan.net>  ven, 01 ao.. 2008 10:06:14 +0000
Aug 01 09:21:19 <X-Fade> Oh, sorry non-utf-8 terminal ;)
Aug 01 09:21:23 <X-Fade> But you get the idea.
Aug 01 09:21:31 <Khertan> X-Fade> in fact the python script change the local setting for the script
Aug 01 09:21:50 <X-Fade> Khertan: the changelog doesn't lie ;)
Aug 01 09:21:55 <Khertan> yes ...
Aug 01 09:22:16 <Khertan> i know ... i m just trying to determin why this change occur ...
Aug 01 09:22:44 <Khertan> as it worked like a charme before
Aug 01 09:22:59 <X-Fade> Try to set your device to english?
Aug 01 09:26:18 <Khertan> X-Fade> from what i see the locale have never worked
Aug 01 09:26:29 <Khertan> s/locale /locale setting
Aug 01 09:26:39 <hrw> ~curse n810 keyboard mapping
Aug 01 09:26:46 <Khertan> and in old uploaded .changes date was in french too
Aug 01 09:26:55 <hrw> http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ updated with n810 keyboard infos
Aug 01 09:27:04 <Khertan> so i m lucky if it has work since the start ...
Aug 01 09:27:27 <Khertan> X-Fade> other question ... does .changes file should be in utf-8 or iso-8559-1 ?
Aug 01 09:27:39 <Khertan> or an other charset
Aug 01 09:27:46 <hrw> Khertan: use devscripts next time - dch insert proper dates
Aug 01 09:27:47 <hrw> utf-8
Aug 01 09:27:51 <Khertan> as i think it s could be the error
Aug 01 09:27:55 <X-Fade> Khertan: Well it complains about badly formed. So maybe there is spacing orso?
Aug 01 09:28:10 <Khertan> hrw > dev script isn't available on nit
Aug 01 09:28:21 <Khertan> hrw > this is why i ve made my own tools
Aug 01 09:28:25 <hrw> ok
Aug 01 09:28:36 <hrw> who from here will be on maemo summit?
Aug 01 09:28:46 * Khertan dit moi
Aug 01 09:28:50 * Khertan dit me
Aug 01 09:28:52 * nomis will be there.
Aug 01 09:28:55 * Khertan say me
Aug 01 09:29:08 * X-Fade me me me
Aug 01 09:29:27 <hrw> I am wondering about making (if there are slots left) fast show of maemo-qemu
Aug 01 09:29:41 <Khertan> X-Fade > i suppose it s the accent on the o from 'aout' in french which is the problem as i write the changes in utf-8
Aug 01 09:30:01 <Khertan> X-Fade > but the main real problem in the date in french instead of us :)
Aug 01 09:30:12 <hrw> Khertan: not us but ISO
Aug 01 09:30:23 <liri> arr
Aug 01 09:30:24 <hrw> US use sick date scheme
Aug 01 09:30:43 <X-Fade> Khertan: And your day doesnt start with an uppercase letter.
Aug 01 09:30:58 <Khertan> X-Fade > yes there isn't in french :)
Aug 01 09:30:59 <X-Fade> Not sure if it matters.
Aug 01 09:31:12 <Khertan> as i use the isoformat method :)
Aug 01 09:31:46 <X-Fade> Other than that, I don't see any other things that look wrong.
Aug 01 09:32:23 <X-Fade> Well, you lie about your timezone. But I don't thing that matters.
Aug 01 09:32:34 <X-Fade> /s/thing/think/
Aug 01 09:32:55 <Khertan> does a date in the real isoformat is accepted ? '2008-08-01T11:32:00.00000'
Aug 01 09:33:32 <Khertan> X-Fade > it s a small lie :)
Aug 01 09:34:49 <Khertan> as the date is converted before in utc
Aug 01 09:35:17 <hrw> having / as Alt+h with normal keyboard is strange
Aug 01 09:35:47 <jott> hrw: does network work now on the qemu n8x0?
Aug 01 09:36:21 <hrw> jott: I have usb networking
Aug 01 09:36:33 <jott> ah that's fine.
Aug 01 09:40:15 <hrw> ~curse h-a-m developer which added disabled 'Cancel' button to 'checking for updates'
Aug 01 09:42:26 <qwerty12> I'm more pissed off that it doesn't ask for confirmation to update anymore :(. I'd recompile it but I messed things up when I tried last time.
Aug 01 09:46:29 <liri> the more I'm readying N800 vs N810 I want to buy the N810, seems like the screen visibility in sunlight is better
Aug 01 09:46:33 <Khertan> X-Fade > found ... i was setting the wrong local ...
Aug 01 09:47:05 <X-Fade> Khertan: Ok ;) So a new release of py2deb is coming up?
Aug 01 09:47:12 <Khertan> as i use index instead of nammed constant ...
Aug 01 09:47:23 <Khertan> this wasn't the same on the tablet :)
Aug 01 09:47:37 <Khertan> X-Fade > around 13h00 GMT+2 :)
Aug 01 09:48:20 <X-Fade> Khertan: I'm running the qt4 build, so let's see if that slows it down.
Aug 01 09:49:19 <jott> hrw: mind to share the size changes of the partition table so lazy folks like me don't have to find out? ;)
Aug 01 09:50:25 <hrw> jott: http://pastebin.com/d58cf48bc
Aug 01 09:50:58 <jott> thanks
Aug 01 09:51:16 <qwerty12> hrw, I'm a n00b. When you say qemu head, do you mean check out qemu from git/svn?
Aug 01 09:51:33 <hrw> svn
Aug 01 09:51:44 <qwerty12> Thanks
Aug 01 09:51:52 <Khertan> X-Fade > :) qt4 build ... hum ... do u know the size of the resulting package ?
Aug 01 09:52:15 <Jaffa> [7~
Aug 01 09:52:24 <Jaffa> xxx
Aug 01 09:52:26 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 01 09:52:37 <X-Fade> Khertan: All I know is that the builder ran out of disk space after using more than 4GB for the build ;)
Aug 01 09:52:52 <hrw> 4GB for build?
Aug 01 09:53:01 <hrw> small :D
Aug 01 09:53:01 <X-Fade> Khertan: After 9 hours ;)
Aug 01 09:53:01 <qwerty12> Morning Jaffa. Keyboard still messing up?
Aug 01 09:53:17 <befr0d_> http://savannah.nongnu.org/svn/?group=qemu
Aug 01 09:53:21 <jott> Khertan: packages for runtime only are ~16mb
Aug 01 09:53:48 <X-Fade> jott: How long does a typical build take for you?
Aug 01 09:54:05 <Khertan> X-Fade > OUCH !
Aug 01 09:54:08 <jott> a couple hours with from a clean system
Aug 01 09:54:22 <jott> 1-2 maybe
Aug 01 09:55:02 <X-Fade> jott: I'm working on getting more/better hardware for the builders.
Aug 01 09:56:09 <jott> hehe for now you managed to get a bit more diskspace, eh? ;)
Aug 01 09:56:37 <X-Fade> jott: Well a bit more. I doubt it is enough.
Aug 01 09:57:01 <jott> as long as it's ~6gb qt should build fine :)
Aug 01 09:57:09 <Pavlz> hello
Aug 01 09:57:10 <X-Fade> jott: Webkit build managed to run out of disk space too ;)
Aug 01 09:57:25 <hrw> X-Fade: what is used now? n810?
Aug 01 09:57:26 <jott> and qt includes a whole webkit :>
Aug 01 09:57:49 <Pavlz> how to save with nokia 770 after to have used vi ?
Aug 01 09:58:01 <X-Fade> hrw: Some random VM, I don't know the exact specs.
Aug 01 09:58:07 <hrw> Pavlz: like in any vi - press ESC + :w
Aug 01 09:58:21 <befr0d_> esc :wq to save & quit
Aug 01 09:58:23 <Pavlz> which is esc?
Aug 01 09:58:23 <X-Fade> Pavlz: esc == the back arrow key.
Aug 01 09:58:36 <RST38h> jott: It is no longer removable?
Aug 01 09:58:53 <X-Fade> jott: But I hope that the builder now has enough space to run the qt4 build.
Aug 01 09:59:15 <Pavlz> thanks
Aug 01 09:59:23 <X-Fade> jott: It had a little bit less than 6GB space left, so it is tricky.
Aug 01 09:59:27 <jott> RST38h: it's in the source tree and an extra package libqt4-webkit will be build.
Aug 01 09:59:43 <RST38h> jott: Oh, so it is an extra package
Aug 01 09:59:51 <RST38h> cool
Aug 01 09:59:54 <jott> RST38h: yes, qt is quite modular
Aug 01 10:00:21 <RST38h> 'cause it would be strange if they made it a requirement
Aug 01 10:00:57 <X-Fade> RST38h: It will be in extras-devel first.
Aug 01 10:01:01 <jott> RST38h: yeah, nevertheless it is useful :)
Aug 01 10:01:33 <hrw> ~curse maemo for sick networking
Aug 01 10:02:10 * jott hands hrw a shiny icd binary blob
Aug 01 10:02:50 <RST38h> X-Fade: I am ok with GTK for now - not eager to move to QT unless needed
Aug 01 10:03:07 <trickie|work> qwerty12: HEAD just means the latest revision, as opposed to a particular revision number
Aug 01 10:03:13 <trickie|work> for future reference
Aug 01 10:03:18 <X-Fade> RST38h: GTK is not going away anytime soon.
Aug 01 10:03:39 <X-Fade> RST38h: Check the info about Fremantle and Harmattan.
Aug 01 10:03:44 * RST38h ended up writing his own very rudimentary UI lib, so that his stuff works everywhere
Aug 01 10:04:00 <RST38h> X-Fade: I should be ok even if you just leave the frame buffer :)
Aug 01 10:04:07 <qwerty12> trickie|work, Ahh, I see. Thanks for that
Aug 01 10:04:26 <trickie|work> np
Aug 01 10:04:42 <Pavlz> i
Aug 01 10:04:50 <RST38h> The menus look like they are done on a ZX Spectrum, but given the nature of my apps it is more of a feature than a bug :)
Aug 01 10:04:55 <Pavlz> Vi do not save
Aug 01 10:05:34 <Pavlz> i digit :w then enter and the arrow key
Aug 01 10:05:49 <Pavlz> nothing happen
Aug 01 10:05:50 <X-Fade> Pavlz: Wrong order.
Aug 01 10:05:57 <Pavlz> h
Aug 01 10:06:02 <X-Fade> esc :w
Aug 01 10:06:13 <Pavlz> It does not save
Aug 01 10:06:23 <X-Fade> or esc :wq if you want to save and quit.
Aug 01 10:06:34 <Pavlz> is the same i try nothing to do
Aug 01 10:06:42 <RST38h> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030.html?nav=rss_email/components
Aug 01 10:06:49 <Pavlz> how to save ?
Aug 01 10:07:04 <RST38h> NEXT: The Anal Probes!
Aug 01 10:07:37 <Pavlz> to save ?
Aug 01 10:07:50 <Pavlz> :s
Aug 01 10:08:01 <Pavlz> which one ?
Aug 01 10:08:53 <RST38h> Maybe you do not have permissions to write this file?
Aug 01 10:08:55 <X-Fade> Pavlz: Do you use the 'back arrow' key?
Aug 01 10:10:04 <qwerty12> ~lart gedit for making backup files by default
Aug 01 10:10:21 <qwerty12> ~lart infobot for not being here. I miss his lame insults.
Aug 01 10:10:43 <hrw> http://pastebin.com/d68a4cf1 - does someone has other content of /proc/mtd on n800/n810 using diablo?
Aug 01 10:10:46 * zap_ makes a shoot of the eclipse on his phone
Aug 01 10:11:30 <qwerty12> hrw, On my N800 diablo, it's matching
Aug 01 10:11:41 <trickie|work> i don't have my n800 handy sorry
Aug 01 10:12:26 <hrw> no problem trickie|work
Aug 01 10:12:54 <jott> hrw: mine looks the same on n810 diablo
Aug 01 10:13:46 <hrw> thx
Aug 01 10:16:37 <qwerty12> Arrgh, why must kotczarny base his coloured bootmenu on a old bootmenu version. Now I'm continually switching between gedit and kdiff.
Aug 01 10:16:57 <zap> Hahah, N810 is not a laptop
Aug 01 10:17:14 <zap> this news will boost the N810 sales, I presume
Aug 01 10:18:12 <qwerty12> zap, They'll still make up a bullshit rule on the spot to take that too. Wouldn't put it past them.
Aug 01 10:18:56 <zap> you can say its your phone
Aug 01 10:19:12 <zap> and phone definitely doesn't equal laptop
Aug 01 10:19:22 <zap> even dumb febs should understand that
Aug 01 10:19:30 <zap> *feds
Aug 01 10:20:20 <jott> well it could be considered as an umpc which is kind of a laptop :)
Aug 01 10:20:24 <zap> but in fact, if I would be a terrorist I would just buy a 4Gb micro-SD card
Aug 01 10:20:30 <zap> and put it inside my ear
Aug 01 10:20:34 <zap> and kiss my ass
Aug 01 10:20:45 <befr0d_> exactly
Aug 01 10:20:48 <befr0d_> that makes no sense
Aug 01 10:20:50 <qwerty12> ha, lol
Aug 01 10:21:06 <befr0d_> you can probably store all your evil plans on a gmail account
Aug 01 10:21:13 <jott> yeah or swallow the n810 :p
Aug 01 10:21:45 <qwerty12> It may be a little hard to get out at the other end though. Unless you just happen to carry a knife...
Aug 01 10:22:25 <zap> befr0d: gmail does not support encryption, so you can't
Aug 01 10:22:45 <zap> I bet True People has access to all parts of google
Aug 01 10:22:47 <hrw> zap: not if you encrypt it before storing...
Aug 01 10:22:50 <jott> zap: you can just copy and paste something encrypted in it...
Aug 01 10:23:50 <jott> anyway, this whole politics of fear is just pathetic.
Aug 01 10:24:11 <hrw> jott: US is pathetic
Aug 01 10:24:20 <zap> this reminds me of DDR police, they kept microfilms for lots of the mails ever sent in the country
Aug 01 10:24:37 <zap> now you don't need films anymore, you have hard disks
Aug 01 10:26:02 <lardman> hrw: your name has been noted and you'll definitely be pulled aside if you decide to go to the US ;)
Aug 01 10:26:57 <qwerty12> lardman is a secret worker at major US airports
Aug 01 10:27:00 <hrw> lardman: and if I will not shave before going then I will be taken as terrorist for my look?
Aug 01 10:27:17 <hrw> qwerty12: no - major US airports security works for lardman
Aug 01 10:27:29 <lardman> hrw: yeah probably, one of my collegues (Italian, stubble) had troubles in the US last week
Aug 01 10:27:51 <qwerty12> Ha, I'll have trouble.
Aug 01 10:28:00 * qwerty12 is a Paki and with stubble. w00t.
Aug 01 10:28:17 <lardman> lol
Aug 01 10:28:31 <jott> qwerty12: you'll be shot on sight :P
Aug 01 10:28:32 <lardman> yeah, I fear you might be targetted
Aug 01 10:28:41 <qwerty12> Haha, yeah
Aug 01 10:29:04 <qwerty12> Maybe I'll be lucky, I got a Uncle that lives there :D
Aug 01 10:29:14 <qwerty12> He came back to the Uk in one piece...
Aug 01 10:29:33 <lardman> qwerty12: you reckon you can stow away then go to ground until the fuss dies down? ;)
Aug 01 10:30:12 <qwerty12> lardman, that will be too long :/
Aug 01 10:31:06 <lardman> I thought I might be arrested, I asked one of the security people why my collegue had been sent back out of the airport, she didn't look pleased
Aug 01 10:32:46 <jott> wouldn't a job at airport security be boring when you never search and question people?
Aug 01 10:33:08 <lardman> well you could do more doughnut eating if you didn't have to stop people
Aug 01 10:34:04 <lardman> but yes, it must be very boring, which is why they superimpose pictures of knives and guns on the xray images to check people are awake
Aug 01 10:38:15 * lcuk got sent out by french security to strip down and bin flammable  materials from my lighter. 
Aug 01 10:38:15 * qwerty12 refrains from swearing as this new initfs messed up my tablet
Aug 01 10:39:51 <hrw> qwerty12: use qemu?
Aug 01 10:40:22 <qwerty12> hrw, I couldn't be bothered with compile time but yes, that is the best option. I guess I should start compiling...
Aug 01 10:40:47 <Stskeeps> hrw: links on ITT to poky screenshot go 404
Aug 01 10:41:06 <qwerty12> It hangs after displaying rd mode information. I'll see if I can mess around with linuxrc and bootmenu.sh some more.
Aug 01 10:44:23 <hrw> Stskeeps: url to itt give
Aug 01 10:45:19 <hrw> Stskeeps: and links on itt are not on my lists to care about. want to see picture - follow link to blog post.
Aug 01 10:45:47 <trickie|work> Stskeeps: 404 or the FF3 ssl cert error?
Aug 01 10:50:24 <hrw> Stskeeps: link to post on itt - will I get it?
Aug 01 10:53:03 <Stskeeps> hrw: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19108 , apologies, gf took computer
Aug 01 10:53:24 <Stskeeps> arh
Aug 01 10:53:30 <Stskeeps> its not your post
Aug 01 10:53:32 <Stskeeps> ..
Aug 01 10:54:21 <hrw> and it is old post
Aug 01 10:54:42 <Stskeeps> yeah, heat must be getting to me
Aug 01 10:56:21 <hrw> ah.. I remember...
Aug 01 11:00:15 * befr0d_ is already compiling trunk qemu
Aug 01 11:04:54 <qwerty12> Hmm, is 2.3 MB too big for an diablo initfs image? I'm not sure how the partition table layout stuff is handled properly.
Aug 01 11:05:04 <zap> oh my, complete N810 emulation
Aug 01 11:05:39 <zap> qwerty12: maybe you hit the limit on the mtdblock partition size reserved for initramfs
Aug 01 11:06:10 <qwerty12> zap, Could have done. My N800 keeps restarting now after it's booted. I'm just disabling the lifeguard.
Aug 01 11:07:15 <hrw> qwerty12: initfs is 4M with diablo
Aug 01 11:08:12 <zap> ah, nokia keeps the drivers on initfs, so the limit should be high
Aug 01 11:08:23 <hrw> zap: not complete - no wifi, bt
Aug 01 11:09:21 <hrw> qwerty12: and diablo initfs is 2.3M iirc
Aug 01 11:09:41 <hrw> 2.2M to be exact
Aug 01 11:09:48 <qwerty12> Ah, ok, thanks. I'll try a ripped one.
Aug 01 11:11:05 <zap> no wifi yes, but you don't have to wear out the internal flash memory to test a new debug build of your software
Aug 01 11:11:24 <zap> if course, if your software doesn't want wifi, bt, dsp
Aug 01 11:11:32 <qwerty12> Is an erase block of 128 correct?
Aug 01 11:23:40 <hrw> qwerty12_N800: it is
Aug 01 11:24:00 <hrw> qwerty12_N800: look at /proc/mtd output
Aug 01 11:24:24 <qwerty12_N800> hrw: thank you, i thought i was using wrong value
Aug 01 11:33:23 <bef0rd> my crappy amd is going to explode
Aug 01 11:33:40 <qwerty12_N800> RUN!!!
Aug 01 11:34:43 <bef0rd> haha
Aug 01 11:35:06 * qwerty12_N800 takes the time to laugh at my friend who watches what i have dubbed as computer porn. computers with the case open and smoke coming out of the processor. 
Aug 01 11:36:26 <bef0rd> lol
Aug 01 11:36:51 <bef0rd> that reminds me, the cpu cooler of this box is broken..
Aug 01 11:37:27 <bef0rd> if it doesn't have cooling, does that make it work slower?
Aug 01 11:41:47 <qwerty12_N800> hrw: just a note, in emulated n800, you can  set gconf value /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached to be true to stop hildon-input-method coming up and middle button on dpad to act as proper return
Aug 01 11:42:46 <lcuk> qwerty12_N800, thats not computer porn, its smoking hot computer porn
Aug 01 11:43:50 <qwerty12_N800> lmao
Aug 01 11:45:19 <hrw> qwerty12_N800: good to know
Aug 01 11:46:18 <qwerty12_N800> (well, i lie. I haven't done it in emulated n800, but it works on real device)
Aug 01 11:46:25 <liri> does the N810 has the folding leg to tilt it standing on a table?
Aug 01 11:46:51 <qwerty12_N800> I believe it does
Aug 01 11:48:39 <bef0rd> yes, it does
Aug 01 11:48:45 <liri> uhmm ok
Aug 01 11:49:44 <liri> I'm still undecided between the N80 and N810
Aug 01 11:49:48 <liri> *N800
Aug 01 11:49:52 <bef0rd> n800 is way cheaper
Aug 01 11:50:44 <liri> well the difference for me would be about $100
Aug 01 11:51:34 <bef0rd> you could get a couple of 16gbs microsd with that :P
Aug 01 11:52:12 * jott could not live without a internal hw keyboard
Aug 01 11:52:15 <liri> microsd is for N800 or N810?
Aug 01 11:52:40 <bef0rd> ohm let me check heh
Aug 01 11:52:43 <liri> the N810 also has the gps built-in
Aug 01 11:52:59 <qwerty12_N800> Tbh, the gps isn't great
Aug 01 11:53:35 <bef0rd> nn810 uses minisd
Aug 01 11:54:50 <liri> is that msdhc?
Aug 01 11:55:06 <hrw> liri: sdhc is technology not size
Aug 01 11:55:25 <lcuk> the gps inside the n810 is brilliant, it shows "no signal" clearly and cheerfully every single time i use it.
Aug 01 11:55:39 <hrw> device with 2.6.21+ kernel and any SD slot can usually run sdhc cards too. never mind is this sd, minisd, microsd
Aug 01 11:56:02 <liri> lcuk: so the gps is bad on the n810?
Aug 01 11:56:06 <bef0rd> lol lcuk
Aug 01 11:56:34 <bef0rd> I've never been able to use it, but I've heard from others here that is not that bad
Aug 01 11:56:36 <qwerty12_N800> liri: i think you can take that as a yes
Aug 01 11:56:43 <jott> liri: the fix times *can* be quite long. the gps position is "ok".
Aug 01 11:56:48 <bef0rd> at least it works for them
Aug 01 11:57:08 <liri> umm
Aug 01 11:57:19 <jott> (differ from 1 min to 10 min when you are not moving)
Aug 01 11:57:19 <lcuk> liri, your mileage may vary - literally some people dont seem to have a problem, whilst others wait for eternity for a lock - its better in diablo apparantly but gps isnt a priority so the upheaval
Aug 01 11:57:31 <bef0rd> it depends on your country I suppose
Aug 01 11:57:45 <liri> I see
Aug 01 11:57:50 <jott> i mean some people try to get a fix in a faraday cage and complain ;)
Aug 01 11:58:17 <liri> well gps is important to me so I'd like to know
Aug 01 11:58:38 <bef0rd> where are you located liri?
Aug 01 11:59:03 <liri> bef0rd: Israel
Aug 01 11:59:16 <RST38h> inside a tank or out?
Aug 01 11:59:35 <liri> lol
Aug 01 11:59:40 <liri> inside a car
Aug 01 11:59:41 <liri> :)
Aug 01 12:00:01 <jott> with lead hardening? ;)
Aug 01 12:00:25 <bef0rd> lol
Aug 01 12:00:30 <liri> nope
Aug 01 12:00:46 <RST38h> and how long does your gps take to lock on satellites?
Aug 01 12:01:06 <bef0rd> I guess that you could ask on www.internettablettalk.com if there are other users from Israel with a N810, and what's their experience with gps
Aug 01 12:02:46 <Khertan> X-Fade> it seems to be something else ... failed :(
Aug 01 12:02:53 <liri> well thats' pointless
Aug 01 12:03:22 <liri> I'd like to know if the GPS is good or bad. if it's bad then maybe it works on Israel but on a trip to somewhere in Europe it may fail... well that's out of the question
Aug 01 12:03:27 <Khertan> X-Fade > parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5
Aug 01 12:03:27 <Khertan> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
Aug 01 12:03:35 <Khertan> parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5
Aug 01 12:03:39 <RST38h> liri: There is a solution
Aug 01 12:03:45 <rm_you> liri: just get an n800 and then buy a standalone gps unit
Aug 01 12:03:54 <RST38h> liri: if your internal gps is "bad" you can always buy an external gps
Aug 01 12:04:00 <Khertan> X-Fade > do u have activated something about the changelog ? as mine isn't really compliant yet :)
Aug 01 12:04:04 <RST38h> it will work with either n810 or n800
Aug 01 12:04:10 <rm_you> right but n800 is better :P
Aug 01 12:04:17 <bef0rd> cheaper
Aug 01 12:04:26 <rm_you> cheaper AND better! total win
Aug 01 12:04:28 <lcuk> liri, it doesnt fail, it just takes longer to get a lock than other dedicated gps units.  as i said it now includes a-gps which allows prespecifying a rough location which DOES appear to help
Aug 01 12:04:37 <liri> right but the whole point is that the GPS is integrated with the device. if the plan is to buy an external GPS then I might as well go with the N800
Aug 01 12:04:46 <rm_you> liri: exactly :P
Aug 01 12:05:07 <liri> damn it
Aug 01 12:05:11 <liri> I'm all confused! :)
Aug 01 12:05:24 <lcuk> so's the gps unit
Aug 01 12:05:27 * rm_you is saying you should get an N800 :P
Aug 01 12:05:33 <lcuk> it has to stop and ask for directions
Aug 01 12:05:34 <liri> hehe
Aug 01 12:06:07 <lcuk> 810 keyboard and form factor is a winner for me
Aug 01 12:06:16 <Khertan> same thing here
Aug 01 12:06:19 <lcuk> i didnt even consider the 800 because it was a pda
Aug 01 12:06:32 <bef0rd> gotta agree kb is a ++
Aug 01 12:06:36 <lcuk> 810 looks and feels likea computer
Aug 01 12:07:10 <liri> the N810 is only capable for MiniSD cards though isn't it?
Aug 01 12:07:22 <RST38h> 1 minisd card slot
Aug 01 12:07:37 <bef0rd> yep, + internal 2gb card
Aug 01 12:07:38 * lcuk hates compromising limited screen estate with keyboard for real usage scenarios - of course for some things an osk is useful;
Aug 01 12:08:09 <liri> I could only find those in 4gb sizes and they cost like an 8gb SD card
Aug 01 12:08:15 <lcuk> 1 mini slot, but micro->mini adapters let you use any micro
Aug 01 12:08:50 <bef0rd> omg it seems like qemu actually compiled
Aug 01 12:09:50 <rm_you> lcuk / liri: versus 16G sd cards for like $40
Aug 01 12:10:03 <rm_you> for a total of 32gb storage for fairly cheap
Aug 01 12:10:11 <rm_you> vs... like 10g total on an n810
Aug 01 12:10:15 <rm_you> not acceptable :(
Aug 01 12:11:59 <lcuk> its not that bad - i dont have a usage pattern which needs 32gb of flash
Aug 01 12:12:10 <hrw> microsd are up to 8GB now...
Aug 01 12:12:17 <lcuk> i have a single 1gb expansion - 3gb total
Aug 01 12:12:27 <lcuk> and it works
Aug 01 12:12:31 <RST38h> lcuk: You are not compiling qt+webkit on your tablet?
Aug 01 12:12:43 <bef0rd> i've 8gb, but can't fit 3 seasons of the office there :P
Aug 01 12:12:59 <rm_you> i've got 20gb currently, will upgrade soon when i get money
Aug 01 12:13:05 <rm_you> to full 32gb
Aug 01 12:13:08 <lcuk> hahahahah no - i dont have / space for that - and im lacking autotools
Aug 01 12:13:19 <rm_you> and when flash gets way cheaper, will go to 64gb :P
Aug 01 12:13:36 <RST38h> rm_you: what do you do with the previous cards though? =)
Aug 01 12:13:50 <bef0rd> oh yea, I wish / was bigger :/
Aug 01 12:14:12 <rm_you> RST38h: one made its way into my laptop, one is now a flash drive, care of a $3 usb cardreader thing
Aug 01 12:14:42 <rm_you> bef0rd: use root-on-sd :P
Aug 01 12:14:59 <jott> hrw: for the record, qemu boots n810 fine here :)
Aug 01 12:15:01 <rm_you> i am! / is 4g
Aug 01 12:15:16 <RST38h> heh
Aug 01 12:16:20 <bef0rd> rm_you, root-on-sd? sd as the internal sd or the minisd?
Aug 01 12:16:47 <rm_you> bef0rd: oh right you have n810? >_>
Aug 01 12:16:48 <jott> hrw: do you know if it is possible to show the cursor in qemu without touching Xomap?
Aug 01 12:17:12 <rm_you> bef0rd: in that case, i guess internal? which would limit you to 2g :/ but better than the standard
Aug 01 12:17:30 <rm_you> wouldnt want to do it on the external card, since you only have one slot >_>
Aug 01 12:18:00 <bef0rd> heh yea
Aug 01 12:18:31 * jott has / on the internal 2gb card on his n810
Aug 01 12:19:30 <bef0rd> jott, so, you dont use at all the 'standard' / partition, right?
Aug 01 12:19:34 <jott> no
Aug 01 12:19:46 <jott> just as a "rescue partition"
Aug 01 12:23:18 <jott> i could not go with the pain of only having 256mb on my root partition.
Aug 01 12:24:42 <bef0rd> hah yea, I ran out of space pretty soon too
Aug 01 12:25:12 <hrw> jott: I booted n810 here few hours ago ;D
Aug 01 12:25:27 <hrw> jott: change theme in maemo to one with cursor
Aug 01 12:25:32 <jott> ok
Aug 01 12:25:49 <jott> thought maybe qemu could just show my host x cursor :)
Aug 01 12:25:49 * bef0rd just installed qemu / head
Aug 01 12:26:05 <bef0rd> hrw, have you got a manual with the steps required to bood diablo?
Aug 01 12:26:59 <jott> bef0rd: you can basically follow http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/04/11/nokia-n800-emulation/
Aug 01 12:27:24 <jott> (the poky-nokia800-flashutil part)
Aug 01 12:27:27 <bef0rd> thanks jott
Aug 01 12:27:38 <jott> you need to double the initfs size in the script too
Aug 01 12:27:55 <jott> (for diablo)
Aug 01 12:27:58 <rm_you> ooo, someone just emailed me about some Affordable Wenches :P
Aug 01 12:28:08 <rm_you> anyways, night folks :P
Aug 01 12:28:27 <jott> rm_you: wet^H^H^H sweet dreams :P
Aug 01 12:28:32 <X-Fade> rm_you: Shouldn't that be: Morning? :)
Aug 01 12:28:36 <rm_you> :P
Aug 01 12:28:52 <rm_you> X-Fade: no, my schedule is broken :P
Aug 01 12:29:01 <rm_you> jott: are you going to OSiM?
Aug 01 12:29:11 <jott> no don't want to pay that much :/
Aug 01 12:29:14 <rm_you> :/
Aug 01 12:29:27 <X-Fade> jott: Nokia might want to sponsor that.
Aug 01 12:29:34 <rm_you> ok, i think they are paying my way in
Aug 01 12:29:34 <X-Fade> jott: IIRC that was the idea.
Aug 01 12:29:38 <rm_you> we'll see
Aug 01 12:29:42 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 01 12:29:51 <hrw> ah.. I need to push updated script
Aug 01 12:29:55 <jott> X-Fade: quim said only in conjuction with travel sponsorship :(
Aug 01 12:30:02 <rm_you> but since jott didn't need sponsorship to get to berlin / stay there, he didnt sign up :/
Aug 01 12:30:18 <X-Fade> jott: Are you sure. I remember something about a wiki page.
Aug 01 12:30:22 <hrw> I can pay for my hotel/travel but I will not attend osim
Aug 01 12:30:37 <jott> X-Fade: that's what he told me on irc atleast..
Aug 01 12:30:50 <X-Fade> jott: Ok, first hand info is better.
Aug 01 12:30:52 <bef0rd> I've been broken since I bought the N810
Aug 01 12:31:15 <jott> maybe nokia has some spare tickets left :)
Aug 01 12:31:41 <jott> i bet they just ordered like 50-100 tickets :)
Aug 01 12:31:45 <rm_you> jott: well, if I *don't* go to OSiM, we'll have time to hang out and code or something, cause I already booked my flight to arrive on Tuesday <_<
Aug 01 12:31:53 <jott> heh
Aug 01 12:31:55 <rm_you> jott: I dont think they've ordered tickets yet
Aug 01 12:32:17 <jott> yeah, we can also do some sightseeing ;)
Aug 01 12:32:27 <rm_you> the emails said that we needed to be on the wiki page by the first week of august
Aug 01 12:32:42 <rm_you> so they would know how many they needed to buy tickets for
Aug 01 12:32:46 <rm_you> yeah that too :P
Aug 01 12:33:32 <jott> hm yeah..well maybe keep an eye on it.
Aug 01 12:33:43 <jott> we could also host the maemo community stand ;)
Aug 01 12:33:51 * rm_you imagines pictures around berlin: "This is me coding at Berlin's #1 nightclub." "This is me coding by a nifty river." "This is me coding on the train to (insert place here)."
Aug 01 12:33:59 <jott> i did it for one day at linuxtag, was quite funny ;)
Aug 01 12:34:09 <rm_you> heh yeah, could be fun
Aug 01 12:34:38 <bef0rd> lol
Aug 01 12:35:15 <rm_you> I may actually have to get those pictures just for awesomeness
Aug 01 12:36:59 <rm_you> ok well, srsly, sleep. :)
Aug 01 12:37:02 * rm_you sleeps
Aug 01 12:37:54 <bef0rd> nightz
Aug 01 12:38:37 * jott waves
Aug 01 12:42:00 <jott> hrw: there is a hidden option --show-cursor for qemu :)
Aug 01 12:42:52 <GreyFoxx> Yay, finally have a n810 that actually powers on!
Aug 01 12:43:27 <hrw> GreyFoxx: upgraded to 51.3 or diablo?
Aug 01 12:43:58 <GreyFoxx> diablo
Aug 01 12:44:13 <GreyFoxx> though it appears I have a problem with the internal drive
Aug 01 12:44:18 <GreyFoxx> http://www.pastebin.ca/1089651
Aug 01 12:45:01 <GreyFoxx> looks like something is a little borked with the filesystem on that partition
Aug 01 12:45:02 <bef0rd> internal sd?
Aug 01 12:45:04 <GreyFoxx> yeah
Aug 01 12:45:08 <GreyFoxx> fresh out of the box
Aug 01 12:45:09 <bef0rd> yea
Aug 01 12:45:14 <bef0rd> you need to repartition it
Aug 01 12:45:18 <bef0rd> I had to
Aug 01 12:45:27 <jott> nokia really messed up there.
Aug 01 12:45:43 <bef0rd> According to GeneralAntilles that happens to everybody
Aug 01 12:45:54 <jott> to me too atleast
Aug 01 12:46:45 <bef0rd> you can plug it to your computer, backup your files, and repartition it with Gparted
Aug 01 12:46:46 <jott> switched to ext3 and moved root over to it ;)
Aug 01 12:48:22 <bef0rd> OT: I CAN'T believe this girl is 16 http://p12.metroflog.com/pictures/561/22/4/232422561_KYFNIPOYIMWVDPH.jpg :|
Aug 01 12:48:28 <GreyFoxx> I'm copying the contents off now
Aug 01 12:48:37 <GreyFoxx> then I'll drop and readd the partition
Aug 01 12:49:58 <bef0rd> jott, do you have rotation enabled atm?
Aug 01 12:51:39 <jott> bef0rd: on the real device you mean, i suppose? yes.
Aug 01 12:53:59 <bef0rd> I'm not blaming you :P, but I flashed with your chinook kernel last time, and got several crashes with rotation enabled. i.e I rotated the screen in 'portrait' mode, then changed the theme, and things started to behave strangely, some dialogs appeared with big fonts, and the device stopped working after a while, and rebooted
Aug 01 12:54:19 <jott> hm never happened to me
Aug 01 12:54:31 <jott> but sounds more like an hildon issue ;)
Aug 01 12:55:42 <bef0rd> yea, it could have been something else, I had a lot of stuff installed :P gonna give it another try.
Aug 01 12:55:51 <jott> under diablo atleast changing the theme works while rotated
Aug 01 12:56:00 <jott> (just tried)
Aug 01 12:56:18 <bef0rd> can you drag the 'menu' bar to the bottom of the screen?
Aug 01 12:56:27 <jott> yes
Aug 01 12:56:32 <bef0rd> I used to do that too :P
Aug 01 12:59:12 <Khertan> Hop ... hostel and flight confirmed !
Aug 01 13:00:05 <bef0rd> bath time
Aug 01 13:01:03 <hrw> lunch time
Aug 01 13:01:15 <jott> hmm good idea hrw
Aug 01 13:48:16 <Khertan> X-Fade > are you here ?
Aug 01 13:48:26 <Khertan> i ve two problem :)
Aug 01 13:48:39 <Khertan> mine :)
Aug 01 13:48:46 <Khertan> and editing the wiki ...
Aug 01 13:48:54 <Khertan> maybe you can help me with the second one ?
Aug 01 13:50:35 <X-Fade> Khertan: 1 is french date again.
Aug 01 13:50:38 <X-Fade> And 2?
Aug 01 13:51:01 <Khertan> X-Fade > 1) i say me ... not my upload :)
Aug 01 13:51:18 <Khertan> X-Fade > saving page in wiki is a bit unreliable ...
Aug 01 13:51:45 <Khertan> i get many time a web page ... with only one line of text : "crap..."
Aug 01 13:51:45 <X-Fade> Khertan: Same server as maemo.org. Upgrade is coming at the end of the month.
Aug 01 13:51:53 <Khertan> :)
Aug 01 13:52:01 <Khertan> i m not talking about slowness ...
Aug 01 13:52:10 <Khertan> humf ... maybe related ...
Aug 01 13:52:16 <Khertan> when i think now :)
Aug 01 13:52:17 <X-Fade> Khertan: Blank page?
Aug 01 13:52:33 <Khertan> blank page with the text : crap...
Aug 01 13:52:48 <bef0rd> lol, that's a very expressive error message
Aug 01 13:52:51 <Khertan> strange, isn't it ?
Aug 01 13:52:52 <X-Fade> Hehe.
Aug 01 13:53:00 <X-Fade> Try the https version.
Aug 01 13:53:03 <Khertan> lol
Aug 01 13:53:29 <X-Fade> Khertan: I'm not sure who put it there. I think it was Ferenc.
Aug 01 13:55:15 <Khertan> ... :)
Aug 01 13:55:18 <Khertan> guilty !
Aug 01 13:55:23 <Khertan> :)
Aug 01 13:55:43 * Khertan is trying to understand the wiki syntax ...
Aug 01 13:56:25 * Khertan don't understand why someone made something more complicated than a simple hyper text language markup
Aug 01 13:56:48 * Khertan say : "and specially to do the same things"
Aug 01 14:00:37 <hrw> I like Markdown syntax - much easier then  html
Aug 01 14:04:04 <Khertan> hrw > Are you kidding?!
Aug 01 14:05:47 * RST38h hates wiki syntax (for the record)
Aug 01 14:05:58 <RST38h> And any other proprietary syntax too
Aug 01 14:07:04 * brontide hates wiki *table* syntax
Aug 01 14:08:14 <aspect> html is horrid to write. mediawiki's not my favourite wiki (I hardly qualify it as such given its complexity) but I find wiki syntax of eg moinmoin and dokuwiki quite lovely
Aug 01 14:10:01 <brontide> Khertan: were you still looking for UI input on mcalendar?
Aug 01 14:10:20 <bef0rd> html is easier than wiki
Aug 01 14:10:23 <bef0rd> at least it makes sense
Aug 01 14:11:52 <bef0rd> there are some stuff that can be done with mediawiki' wiki syntax that can't be done with plain HTML, I've seen some swtich / if statements
Aug 01 14:12:48 <Khertan> pffff 30min just to add my date of arrival and departure to the wiki ...
Aug 01 14:14:05 <brontide> Try rewriting the schedule page a few times... that's always a joy
Aug 01 14:15:16 <brontide> One improperly placed /n and the whole thing goes to hell
Aug 01 14:18:42 <Khertan> brontide > lol
Aug 01 14:19:02 <Khertan> bef0rd > yes with html we can do less crappy results :)
Aug 01 14:22:58 <hrw> Khertan: I use markdown for 3-4 years now
Aug 01 14:23:00 <brontide> At least I've never gotten the "Crap..." message after doing 15-30 minutes worth of work
Aug 01 14:23:21 <RST38h> aspect: HTML is just fine
Aug 01 14:23:46 <RST38h> Although I have nothing against shortcuts like autoconverting asterisks to <LI>s etc
Aug 01 14:24:02 <hrw> RST38h: especially when you like to have few <p> <strong> <em> <ol> <ul> itp?
Aug 01 14:24:25 <RST38h> But coming up with yet *another* markup language is stupid
Aug 01 14:24:29 <hrw> with markdown I just enter text and **strong** it or *em*
Aug 01 14:24:42 <RST38h> hrw: I am ok with an extension like this, no problem
Aug 01 14:24:51 <RST38h> hrw: Even LaTeX has some of these
Aug 01 14:25:20 <aspect> RST38h: as far as I'm concerned, wiki is just a bunch of such shortcuts that are human readable in source form. Complex layout like mediawiki supports is probably best avoided ... 95% of the time I don't need it anyway
Aug 01 14:26:35 <aspect> headings, lists, emphasis styles, code blocks, rules .. there's most of the rich formatting I ever use and I can write documents in vim
Aug 01 14:35:42 <GreyFoxx> Anyone here covert videos for watching on their n810 that can recommend an app or script for it ?
Aug 01 14:36:13 <brontide> In my mac i've used Handbrake for DVD's
Aug 01 14:36:19 <GreyFoxx> ahhh they have a convertor right on the nokia page *slaps self for not googling first*
Aug 01 14:36:36 <GreyFoxx> That has an n810 option?  Cool.... I have handbrake on a mac right here I can try
Aug 01 14:37:00 <GreyFoxx> I'd prefer writing up a commandline script for it, but I need to know the optimum bitrate/resolution/etc info
Aug 01 14:37:33 <brontide> I just used custom options.  mpeg4 500 , mp3 128 no bigger than 400x240
Aug 01 14:37:41 <brontide> in an avi
Aug 01 14:38:05 <brontide> You can probably go up to 800 on video if quality is a concern
Aug 01 14:38:17 <GreyFoxx> well I'll go the max it can handle :)
Aug 01 14:38:36 <brontide> I haven't pushed that hard
Aug 01 14:38:40 <GreyFoxx> and by 800 I assume you mean bitrate and not resolution :)
Aug 01 14:38:48 <brontide> yes
Aug 01 14:39:32 <brontide> For best viewing, resolution should never exceed 400x240 so it can be played back at full framerate
Aug 01 14:39:44 <brontide> ( for now )
Aug 01 14:44:55 <timeless> so, there's actually a command line tool for that
Aug 01 14:44:55 <bef0rd> There are a couple of scripts/apps at garage.maemo.org to convert media files
Aug 01 14:45:06 <timeless> maemo.org/downloads should find the one i'm thinking of
Aug 01 14:45:17 <qwerty12_N800> tablet-encode
Aug 01 14:45:32 <timeless> yes, hi :)
Aug 01 14:45:38 <GreyFoxx> I've got a ffmpeg line processing a file now to try, but I'll check those out as well
Aug 01 14:45:42 <GreyFoxx> thx
Aug 01 14:45:56 <qwerty12_N800> hi timeless :)
Aug 01 14:50:13 <crashanddie__> oi
Aug 01 14:50:28 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie__: woot, welcome to the uk :D
Aug 01 14:50:36 <crashanddie__> thank you :)
Aug 01 14:50:43 <aquatix> crashanddie__!
Aug 01 14:50:47 <aquatix> how was your move?
Aug 01 14:50:50 <aquatix> or is? :)
Aug 01 14:50:53 <crashanddie__> took a bit longer than I expected, but here I am, I'm good
Aug 01 14:51:15 <crashanddie__> Plane was delayed, got utterly lost in the tube/train system
Aug 01 14:51:22 <hrw> crashanddie__: manchester?
Aug 01 14:51:27 <crashanddie__> London
Aug 01 14:51:43 <crashanddie__> I'm in Lewisham, about 10 minutes from Bromley
Aug 01 14:52:14 <t_s_o> interesting, the mauku page says they would release a version this week with twitter support, but i cant say i have seen any trace of it yet...
Aug 01 14:52:29 <crashanddie__> picked up a couple of adapters to be able to give my laptop some juice, same for the NIT and some other stuff
Aug 01 14:52:38 <crashanddie__> Damnit, moving between countries *is* troublesome
Aug 01 14:52:39 <qwerty12> Hehe, was a while since I've been in Bromley. Shopping centre's decent but my favourite one is in Manchester, the Trafford centre.
Aug 01 14:53:06 <crashanddie__> qwerty12, there's other things, more interesting, than a shopping centre in Bromley ;)
Aug 01 14:53:07 <t_s_o> crashanddie__: especially crossing the atlantic...
Aug 01 14:53:24 <qwerty12> crashanddie__, Haha, true :P
Aug 01 14:53:45 <crashanddie__> lcuk, hey, bro, you around ?
Aug 01 14:53:52 <hrw> crashanddie__: close to OH office ;)
Aug 01 14:53:57 <crashanddie__> hrw, exactly :P
Aug 01 14:54:05 <hrw> qwerty12: which shopping centre?
Aug 01 14:54:11 * hrw was in bromley once
Aug 01 14:54:48 <qwerty12> hrw, Can't remember the name :/, it's the one with the Virgin music store towards the entrance iirc
Aug 01 14:54:57 <hrw> where it was?
Aug 01 14:56:21 <crashanddie__> You know, yesterday, I arrived around 9PM in Lewisham... Little did I know that Lewisham station is in fact 2 miles from where I am now... Anyway, around 10PM, I arrive finally at the house, no one... Not a soul... I was stuffed. Got a cab, found a hotel, came back today... After questioning the neighbours for hours in order to find a phone number to get hold of someone, I finally managed to bribe a cute mother-of-two wi
Aug 01 14:56:21 <crashanddie__> th flattery, until she coughed up the number I needed
Aug 01 14:56:31 <lcuk> crashanddie, im at work just finishing up - going up to lates etc for the weekend
Aug 01 14:56:42 <crashanddie__> lcuk, oh, right :)
Aug 01 14:56:59 <lcuk> jeeeeeesus
Aug 01 14:57:09 <lcuk> are you under a proper roof?
Aug 01 14:57:23 <crashanddie__> lcuk, Oh well, have a nice weekend... I'll probably get heavily to work on combining my current projects with liqbase
Aug 01 14:57:44 <lcuk> you are gonna play :D
Aug 01 14:58:16 <crashanddie__> lcuk, yeah, I am good, the house is awesome, the kitchen is big, I got a nice room with view on the garden, I'm really feeling it nicely
Aug 01 14:58:39 <qwerty12> That's good to hear :)
Aug 01 14:58:41 <lcuk> i wish you had told me sooner - i wouldv steered the dev version towards a pair of targets instead of just mine
Aug 01 14:59:00 <Khertan_n810> x-fade> you said that the date is stille wrong in the .changes file but the last uploaded for homecalendar seems good for me
Aug 01 14:59:09 <crashanddie__> From what I gathered, I'll be living with a german guy (he'll be able to dust off my german before the summit), and some polish girl
Aug 01 14:59:12 <lcuk> crashanddie__, i tohught your tale was gonna end in woe for a minute there :) glad you are under a roof
Aug 01 14:59:37 <crashanddie__> lcuk, it takes a bit more than just bad timing to get me down :P
Aug 01 15:00:02 <lcuk> heh - i have a spare tent as well - apparantly mine isnt needed this weekend :D
Aug 01 15:00:02 <crashanddie__> I would've coded a roof in C++ if needed
Aug 01 15:00:07 * lcuk has rubber pants though :S
Aug 01 15:00:24 <crashanddie__> btw, I'm an idiot
Aug 01 15:00:34 <crashanddie__> I forgot to forward the irc bouncer port on my router
Aug 01 15:00:44 <lcuk> you knob - hack it
Aug 01 15:00:51 <crashanddie__> tried using an ssh tunnel
Aug 01 15:01:07 <crashanddie__> think I'll have to activate the "flick the power switch" hack
Aug 01 15:01:10 <lcuk> isyou should have left it a trigger
Aug 01 15:01:10 * Khertan_n810 think he will be dumb at summit with this poor englizsh
Aug 01 15:01:20 <lcuk> crashanddie, open sesame
Aug 01 15:01:21 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810, j'traduirai pour toi, t'inquiête
Aug 01 15:01:42 <crashanddie__> btw, there's sooo many french people in the UK
Aug 01 15:01:45 <crashanddie__> it's amazing, really !
Aug 01 15:01:50 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, :) your english is not important - we can work around language barriers with signlanguage and beer
Aug 01 15:01:58 <Khertan_n810> i can understand it if rate is slow ...
Aug 01 15:02:21 <lcuk> get working on a speech to text converter
Aug 01 15:02:25 <crashanddie__> btw, beer lubricates your brain, after drinking a bit, you'll understand both english and sign language a lot better
Aug 01 15:02:31 <lcuk> crashanddie has the gstreamer code for listening to the mic
Aug 01 15:02:39 <Khertan_n810> but noone understand my spain cow english talking accent
Aug 01 15:02:57 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810, that's something only french people can understand
Aug 01 15:03:02 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 15:03:04 <Khertan_n810> i know
Aug 01 15:03:12 <lcuk> if you think your accent is bad: how the hell are people gonna understand northern
Aug 01 15:03:21 <crashanddie__> lcuk, we don't
Aug 01 15:03:25 <qwerty12> lcuk so true
Aug 01 15:03:33 <crashanddie__> lcuk, it's just we're lucky we had a video of ya, so we could play it 3 or 4 times
Aug 01 15:03:39 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 01 15:03:39 <lcuk> .|.. just go fsck yourselves :P:P
Aug 01 15:03:59 <crashanddie__> lcuk, I only understood that was someone talking the 3rd or 4th time I watched the video
Aug 01 15:04:02 <qwerty12> Nah, sometimes, my northern accent comes out. But only sometimes :P
Aug 01 15:04:21 <crashanddie__> qwerty12, we don't care, you won't be there :P
Aug 01 15:04:26 * Khertan_n810 set language.replace('english','python')
Aug 01 15:04:36 <crashanddie__> sssssssssssssSSSSSSsssssssssSSSSSSSSSSSSss
Aug 01 15:04:41 <lcuk> at least you arent going to the summit qwerty12 i couldnt do with you snickering in the audience
Aug 01 15:04:42 <MoRpHeUz> anybody here going to akademy ?
Aug 01 15:04:43 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 15:04:59 * qwerty12 mashes up crashanddie__ east london style and steals his tickets
Aug 01 15:05:04 <lcuk> crashanddie__, you will be there wont you?
Aug 01 15:05:05 <qwerty12> lcuk, hehe
Aug 01 15:05:12 <crashanddie__> qwerty12, which ticket ?
Aug 01 15:05:35 <crashanddie__> qwerty12, btw, you're 15, I eat 3 guys like you for breakfast
Aug 01 15:05:44 <lcuk> anyway, ive got an hour to sort out my stuff, gotta finish romans (i only started this morning)
Aug 01 15:05:57 <qwerty12> bruv, don't mess, i'll still bang you out :P
Aug 01 15:06:02 <lcuk> should i tell my boss that romans were not built in a day?
Aug 01 15:06:13 <crashanddie__> romans ?
Aug 01 15:06:49 <lcuk> yer, roman blind calculations
Aug 01 15:06:57 <lcuk> dont ask
Aug 01 15:07:16 <qwerty12> tell him many hands make light work so get of your ass and help
Aug 01 15:07:24 <qwerty12> and then watch as you are out of a job
Aug 01 15:08:01 <lcuk> uh huh
Aug 01 15:08:16 <lcuk> anyway, today has been a much more relaxing good day - cow orker is on holiday
Aug 01 15:08:27 <lcuk> ill speak to you guys on ummm sunday night or somethin
Aug 01 15:08:42 <qwerty12> lcuk, bribe the local mafia and make it a final holiday for that guy *evil grin*
Aug 01 15:09:16 <lcuk> local mafia?  bez and the happy mondays you mean
Aug 01 15:09:32 <lcuk> cyas later
Aug 01 15:10:19 <qwerty12> so crashanddie__, have you appreciated the range of takeaways we have in London?
Aug 01 15:10:33 <crashanddie__> not yet
Aug 01 15:10:40 <crashanddie__> but I sure smelled a few
Aug 01 15:11:02 <crashanddie__> I just stopped at tesco's and got myself a sandwich, couldn't be bothered to wait/search for food
Aug 01 15:11:24 <crashanddie__> my legs are killing me, and god, am I happy I have the n810 with GPS
Aug 01 15:11:40 <crashanddie__> that thing is a frigging life saver
Aug 01 15:11:55 <qwerty12> The GPS actually worked?
Aug 01 15:12:22 <crashanddie__> yeah, it did
Aug 01 15:13:05 <t_s_o> woho, seems like the tablet is triggering some kind of "loop" in my desktops kernel. it seems to not give up trying to read one of the SD cards even tho it just errors...
Aug 01 15:13:19 <qwerty12> Hehe, I really must try and use hcitool to pair my navman gps that I got :/
Aug 01 15:14:49 <bef0rd> hah, so it *works*
Aug 01 15:15:17 <qwerty12> There's a first time for everything...
Aug 01 15:15:57 <bef0rd> maybe it has a sensor that knows when you are lost, and then it starts working
Aug 01 15:16:01 <crashanddie__> hrw, btw, I still didn't get anything from the OH guys... This is starting to feel as if they just couldn't care less
Aug 01 15:16:39 <crashanddie__> bef0rd, maybe you just need to know how to use it properly
Aug 01 15:16:43 <jott> the sweat on crashanddie__ worked like an extra antenna :)
Aug 01 15:16:51 <qwerty12> eew
Aug 01 15:16:55 <crashanddie__> well, that could be true
Aug 01 15:16:59 <crashanddie__> cuz I was sweaty as hell
Aug 01 15:19:43 <qwerty12> I can't decide if global warming is good or bad. When I was in Halifax, it was actually warm! :O
Aug 01 15:20:39 <bef0rd> it's bad.
Aug 01 15:21:02 <jott> it's 33C here, thats way too hot.
Aug 01 15:21:13 <Khertan_n810> 34 here
Aug 01 15:21:18 <Khertan_n810> too hot too !
Aug 01 15:21:25 <summatusmentis> it's bad, Maine doesn't need _more_ mosquitoes
Aug 01 15:21:57 <qwerty12> 22C according to the gnome time applet
Aug 01 15:22:05 <aquatix> 23C according to the same
Aug 01 15:22:12 <Khertan_n810> pfff
Aug 01 15:22:16 * aquatix has his window open
Aug 01 15:22:23 <aquatix> it was unbearable yesterday
Aug 01 15:22:39 <bef0rd> 14ºc
Aug 01 15:22:57 <nemo> !w 20001
Aug 01 15:22:58 <aquatix> bef0rd: where is that?
Aug 01 15:23:05 <bef0rd> Bogota, Colombia
Aug 01 15:23:08 <nemo> oh. this isn't the channel with the weather bot
Aug 01 15:23:23 <aquatix> bef0rd: is it `winter' with you?
Aug 01 15:23:29 <GreyFoxx> qwer: Halifax, Nova Scotia ?
Aug 01 15:23:40 <Khertan_n810> Rah build still failed !!!!
Aug 01 15:24:01 <qwerty12> GreyFoxx: Halifax, W.Yorkshire, Uk
Aug 01 15:24:06 <GreyFoxx> Ahhh ok :)
Aug 01 15:24:20 <bef0rd> aquatix, yep, but its sunny today :P
Aug 01 15:24:23 <qwerty12> I love the water there, tastes clean compared to London one :)
Aug 01 15:24:44 <aquatix> qwerty12: don't drink the Tames!
Aug 01 15:25:11 <aquatix> *Thames
Aug 01 15:25:18 <aquatix> [just thought i'd warn you ;) ]
Aug 01 15:25:19 <qwerty12> Hehe
Aug 01 15:25:27 <nemo> 11:25 < nemo> !w 20001
Aug 01 15:25:27 <nemo> 11:25 < FiT-Bot> Washington, District of Columbia; Updated: 11:18 AM EDT (August 01, 2008); Conditions: Partly Cloudy;  High/Low: 92/74°F (33/23°C); Humidity: 70%; UV: 8/16; Pressure: 29.75 in/1007.3 hPa; Wind: East
Aug 01 15:25:34 <nemo> you guys need to get one of those :)
Aug 01 15:25:35 * aquatix likes the water where he lives
Aug 01 15:25:44 <aquatix> tastes better than stuff like Spa
Aug 01 15:26:05 <aquatix> nemo: i already have http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=INOORDHO4 :)
Aug 01 15:26:19 <qwerty12> FFS, "Unpacking kernel image to file 'zImage'..., zImage: Permission denied"
Aug 01 15:26:20 <hrw> crashanddie__: lot of things going in OH now
Aug 01 15:26:42 <nemo> bef0rd: 14°C not 14ºc  :-p
Aug 01 15:27:19 <crashanddie__> hrw, I can understand that. But I don't think a simple "thanks for your application, we'll get back to you as soon as possible" really takes days :P
Aug 01 15:28:25 <jott> $33\,^{\circ}\mathrm{C}$ :P
Aug 01 15:29:05 <aquatix> i really need a tex2irc thingee
Aug 01 15:29:23 <aquatix> typing equations would be awesome that way
Aug 01 15:29:40 <jott> aquatix: kopete supports latex expressions :)
Aug 01 15:29:51 <aquatix> hm :)
Aug 01 15:29:56 <aquatix> too bad it needs a gui ;)
Aug 01 15:30:00 <aquatix> but that kinda is the point
Aug 01 15:30:04 <jott> hehe
Aug 01 15:30:16 <aquatix> i prefer sticking with gtk stuff though
Aug 01 15:30:19 <chmac> Does the n810 have iptables?
Aug 01 15:30:24 <aquatix> iirc, there's a pidgin latex thingee
Aug 01 15:30:31 <chmac> I was thinking to use it as a wireless gateway... :)
Aug 01 15:30:35 <aquatix> irssi rocks for irc stuff though
Aug 01 15:30:38 <aquatix> chmac: :)
Aug 01 15:30:50 <aquatix> chmac: you know, that's an awesome idea
Aug 01 15:31:05 * aquatix could hook it up to his umts phone and rebroadcast the connection
Aug 01 15:31:25 <jott> aquatix: yeah indeed irssi is great
Aug 01 15:31:27 <qwerty12> aquatix: change that uiq phone to an s60 one and get something joikuspot :P
Aug 01 15:31:33 <aquatix> qwerty12: i know :)
Aug 01 15:31:36 <chmac> aquatix: I'm staying in a hotel with wifi. So we've paid for one connection (me and my brother)
Aug 01 15:31:40 <aquatix> e71 sounds nice
Aug 01 15:31:47 <aquatix> chmac: ah :)
Aug 01 15:31:55 <chmac> I've shared it via a virtual wireless device on my laptop, but if I could do the same on the tablet, oh it would be splendid! :)
Aug 01 15:32:06 <qwerty12> Sony Ericsson phones are appealing less and less to me now...
Aug 01 15:32:09 <aquatix> chmac: should've brought your wireless router ;)
Aug 01 15:32:18 <aquatix> ah, heheh
Aug 01 15:32:31 <aquatix> qwerty12: yeah, they shouldn't have cancelled the P5 :(
Aug 01 15:32:32 <chmac> aquatix: lol, I did! :)
Aug 01 15:32:34 <chmac> I travel with one
Aug 01 15:32:40 <aquatix> qwerty12: was kinda wanting it
Aug 01 15:32:57 <qwerty12> aquatix: was the P5 beibei or paris?
Aug 01 15:33:00 <aquatix> paris
Aug 01 15:33:03 <chmac> But with the wireless router I have to connect my laptop to the access point, then ethernet to the wifi router, which is one more device that needs power, and the ethernet cable is dodgy
Aug 01 15:33:11 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: the most recent version of dsp-sbc includes a zImage. I don't need to flash a new kernel do I?
Aug 01 15:33:14 <chmac> So the virtual interface bridge option works like a charm, I'm most pleased with myself! :)
Aug 01 15:33:18 <aquatix> beibei was the g series i thought?
Aug 01 15:33:24 <qwerty12> oh shit. Beibei looks fugly, sony ericcsson must have been retarded...
Aug 01 15:33:36 <qwerty12> aquatix: no idea, haven't kept up with the releases in a while :)
Aug 01 15:33:43 <aquatix> g702 and g902
Aug 01 15:33:53 <qwerty12> summatusmentis: you only need to flash it if you want to be able to change dsp speed on the fly
Aug 01 15:34:04 <qwerty12> (without recompiling a new kernel each time that is...)
Aug 01 15:34:24 <summatusmentis> so it's rather beneficial to do so
Aug 01 15:34:25 <chmac> aquatix: Does the n810 have iptables by default? Or is it an add on?
Aug 01 15:35:05 <qwerty12> summatusmentis: I've got a kernel with that patch that also has the 48Mhz MMC speed and rotation on itt as well if you are interested
Aug 01 15:35:13 <aquatix> qwerty12: g900 and g700 phones
Aug 01 15:35:23 <qwerty12> aquatix: ah
Aug 01 15:35:28 <summatusmentis> qwerty12: I would be, yes :)
Aug 01 15:35:30 <aquatix> http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_g900-2247.php <- quite ok
Aug 01 15:35:42 <jott> woot! a thunderstorm is coming! hope it gets a bit cooler soon.
Aug 01 15:35:42 <aquatix> chmac: dunno, can check
Aug 01 15:35:54 <chmac> aquatix: The command iptables is not found on my n810
Aug 01 15:35:55 <aquatix> chmac: try iptables as root btw
Aug 01 15:35:57 <aquatix> ah
Aug 01 15:36:02 <aquatix> then it isn't there by default ;)
Aug 01 15:36:28 <aquatix> qwerty12: but touch screen phones with qwerty are my fav now
Aug 01 15:36:38 <qwerty12> aww
Aug 01 15:36:38 * Khertan_n810 will paid for a good storm and 10C less
Aug 01 15:36:38 <aquatix> so the nokia e71 would be a step back
Aug 01 15:36:39 <qwerty12> :P
Aug 01 15:36:46 <qwerty12> summatusmentis: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=204049&postcount=193
Aug 01 15:36:50 <Khertan_n810> s/paid/pay
Aug 01 15:36:57 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: can imagine
Aug 01 15:37:03 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: thunderstorms suck though ;)
Aug 01 15:37:10 <summatusmentis> is gcc working on the tablets?
Aug 01 15:37:14 <Khertan_n810> no ...
Aug 01 15:37:18 <chmac> Anyone know how to provide dnsmasq with a new set of nameservers on the fly?
Aug 01 15:37:31 <chmac> When I look at /etc/resolv.conf it only contains 127.0.0.1 normally
Aug 01 15:37:33 <Khertan_n810> summa*> yes
Aug 01 15:37:52 <summatusmentis> Khertan_n810: do I need to do anything special? is it in extras?
Aug 01 15:38:01 <chmac> It seems like when wlan0 comes up, the nameservers are written somewhere else, and dnsmasq takes them from there
Aug 01 15:38:05 <Khertan_n810> not in extras ...
Aug 01 15:38:07 <chmac> I'm not sure how to reconfigure that on the fly though
Aug 01 15:38:11 <Khertan_n810> but look on itt
Aug 01 15:38:18 <aquatix> qwerty12: SE really should release a P5/Paris like phone with a faster cpu
Aug 01 15:38:26 <Khertan_n810> some have made a wlakthrought
Aug 01 15:38:35 <qwerty12> aquatix: and s60 touch *evil grin*
Aug 01 15:38:47 <aquatix> myeah
Aug 01 15:38:59 <aquatix> if it's compatible with my addressbook and agenda
Aug 01 15:39:06 <aquatix> and most of my apps
Aug 01 15:39:07 <qwerty12> tbh,  uiq doesn't have much except for the hacked walkman 3 going for it
Aug 01 15:39:18 <aspect> chmac: there should be an /etc/dnsmasq.conf ... from memory it uses /etc/resolv.dnsmasq by default, and takes a HUP to reconfigure itself
Aug 01 15:39:24 <aquatix> it has nice themes :) [if you look hard enough]
Aug 01 15:39:28 <jott> chmac: its in /tmp/resolv.conf.$IF
Aug 01 15:39:32 <aquatix> qwerty12: and touch screen rocks
Aug 01 15:39:55 <qwerty12> Meh, I can live without a touch screen :)
Aug 01 15:40:13 <aquatix> depends on the gui, but ok
Aug 01 15:40:24 <aquatix> browsing in opera mobile rocks with touch screen
Aug 01 15:40:33 <Khertan_n810> error: badly formatted trailer line, at file debian/changelog line 5
Aug 01 15:40:34 <aquatix> nokia e71 looks nice though
Aug 01 15:40:42 <Khertan_n810> what is the trailer line ?
Aug 01 15:40:55 <qwerty12> I still <3 the E90. I wonder if N-Gage platform was cracked for that phone...
Aug 01 15:40:58 <jott> Khertan_n810: the line with your french date? :)
Aug 01 15:41:43 <Khertan_n810> rah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 01 15:41:49 <chmac> jott: Thanks, I'd never have found that :)
Aug 01 15:41:50 <Khertan_n810> dumb i am !!!!!!!!
Aug 01 15:42:01 <aquatix> qwerty12: e90 is nice indeed
Aug 01 15:42:04 <chmac> jott: Now where do I make a note to remember for next time, that's the question! :)
Aug 01 15:42:07 <aquatix> bit too bulky as phone for me
Aug 01 15:42:09 <Khertan_n810> py2deb take the wrong file !
Aug 01 15:42:58 <jott> chmac: grep resolv /etc/dnsmasq.conf ? :)
Aug 01 15:43:15 <hrw> have a nice weekend guys
Aug 01 15:43:22 <chmac> jott: Ahh, cunning, I hadn't thought of doing it that way
Aug 01 15:43:38 <aquatix> qwerty12: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1425 <- e90 is larger
Aug 01 15:43:57 <qwerty12> aquatix: features make up for it :)
Aug 01 15:44:19 <aquatix> http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2425&idPhone1=1425 <- e71 is interesting
Aug 01 15:44:23 <qwerty12> My P1i is still dead, I never bothered to buy setool credits to fix it, I should knock it on ebay...
Aug 01 15:44:24 <aquatix> qwerty12: true, it's neat
Aug 01 15:44:36 <aquatix> qwerty12: how dead?
Aug 01 15:45:02 <qwerty12> aquatix: It won't recognise GDFS part of flash and CCPU part fails to flash :/
Aug 01 15:45:12 <aquatix> ah
Aug 01 15:45:12 <Khertan_n810> jott > thx u force me to verify all file !
Aug 01 15:45:22 <Khertan_n810> s/file/files
Aug 01 15:45:39 <Khertan_n810> so i ve found my mistake
Aug 01 15:46:12 <qwerty12> aquatix: E71 is interesting...
Aug 01 15:46:53 <jott> but e71 only has 320x240 resolution :/
Aug 01 15:47:16 <Proteous> booo
Aug 01 15:47:16 <bef0rd> qwerty12, did you break it flashing it or something?
Aug 01 15:47:46 <aquatix> jott: yups
Aug 01 15:48:03 <Khertan_n810> and mainly doesn t have maemo
Aug 01 15:48:07 <qwerty12> bef0rd: Yeah, I have a lot of experience with flashing sony ericsson phones but the flash system on the P1i has me stumped :/
Aug 01 15:48:22 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 15:48:26 <aquatix> it would be cool if they finally start cramping vga screens in such phones
Aug 01 15:48:31 <jott> i wonder why there is so less demand for 640x480 displays...
Aug 01 15:48:36 <aquatix> qwerty12: m600i flashing worked fine
Aug 01 15:48:42 <jott> i mean, they are on the market for ages.
Aug 01 15:48:48 <aquatix> qwerty12: colleague with a p1i is happy too
Aug 01 15:48:54 <qwerty12> aquatix: But this one decided to kill itself one day :)
Aug 01 15:48:56 <aquatix> jott: price?
Aug 01 15:49:03 <jott> aquatix: nah, can't be price.
Aug 01 15:49:05 <Proteous> I want a xwgbdasga screen
Aug 01 15:49:07 <aquatix> jott: `the customer doesn't need it!'
Aug 01 15:49:07 <qwerty12> aquatix: SEUS fails to recognise the phone too
Aug 01 15:49:09 <jott> it's just most people don't care :)
Aug 01 15:49:14 <aquatix> jott: yeah
Aug 01 15:49:14 <qwerty12> Proteous: You too?!?
Aug 01 15:49:19 <Khertan_n810> jott< because app are designed for less resolution and are useless on this device
Aug 01 15:49:20 <Proteous> heh
Aug 01 15:49:35 <jott> Khertan_n810: you could easily pixeldouble like winmobile crap.
Aug 01 15:49:49 <Khertan_n810> 640*480 iPack where useless
Aug 01 15:50:01 <Khertan_n810> jott > do u have see the result
Aug 01 15:50:09 <jott> only in stores.
Aug 01 15:50:32 <jott> the apps there looked ok to me. but it probably differs on "real world" apps ;)
Aug 01 15:50:41 <Khertan_n810> i understand now why u ask
Aug 01 15:51:06 <Khertan_n810> default ms windows app is ok
Aug 01 15:51:16 <Khertan_n810> but all third party don t work
Aug 01 15:51:29 <jott> haha that's ms style ;)
Aug 01 15:52:07 <jott> but in the end it shouldn't be a really big technical problem..
Aug 01 15:52:50 <Khertan_n810> no api just require that you made an interface for all resolution
Aug 01 15:53:10 <jott> so 2-3 lines of code for app developers?
Aug 01 15:53:12 <Khertan_n810> and a dynamic one isn t easy to do
Aug 01 15:53:22 <jott> like xsp ;)
Aug 01 15:53:32 <Khertan_n810> more like an other glade style file
Aug 01 15:53:51 <jott> for pixel doubling?!
Aug 01 15:53:55 <Khertan_n810> as many app was made with rad
Aug 01 15:54:18 <Khertan_n810> pixel doubling dont work for the ui
Aug 01 15:54:21 <jott> i mean for full resolution it's clear that you need a layout manager and/or forms made for the resolution.
Aug 01 15:55:00 <Khertan_n810> many wiget don t double
Aug 01 15:55:21 <Khertan_n810> s/wiget/widget
Aug 01 15:55:23 <Binky> Hiii everyone
Aug 01 15:55:41 <jott> bleh crappy stuff as always.
Aug 01 15:55:46 <Khertan_n810> yeah ! py2deb work again !
Aug 01 15:55:53 <Khertan_n810> yes as always
Aug 01 15:56:10 <Khertan_n810> don t think it better with gtk
Aug 01 15:56:12 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 15:56:16 <jott> did not use winmobile for long, my ipaq got much more "familiar" later on ;)
Aug 01 15:56:38 <jott> qt has quite good layout managers.
Aug 01 15:56:57 <Binky> Anyone uses minimo? I heard microb on OS2006 sucks, sucked and will suck forever (?)
Aug 01 15:57:02 <Khertan_n810> yes ... gtk isn t so bad too...
Aug 01 15:57:03 <qwerty12> Hehe, my Fujitsu Siemens ran linux rubbish. Didn't help that I'd managed to blow the backlight...
Aug 01 15:57:13 <Khertan_n810> if i understand how it works
Aug 01 15:57:14 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 15:57:18 <chmac> Avahi makes logging into my tablet via SSH a breeze. I do love mDNS... :)
Aug 01 15:57:53 * Khertan_n810 still have problem with stylus keyboard and mCalendar resizing
Aug 01 15:59:15 <Proteous> down with stylus keyboards!
Aug 01 15:59:39 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: time for an n810? ;)
Aug 01 16:00:03 <Khertan_n810> i ve an n810
Aug 01 16:00:09 <qwerty12> FFS, My n800 sucks dick. I plug in the USB cable, my internal cards in use. lsof shows nothing on the mountpoint. Remove the cover, force close applications and it's still in use. Shove the card into the removable slot and the POS reboots.
Aug 01 16:00:40 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 16:00:40 <Khertan_n810> but it s user reports :)
Aug 01 16:02:02 <jott> Khertan_n810: just run some n810 advertisment and get some extra money from nokia ;>
Aug 01 16:02:36 <Khertan_n810> yeah but i come to summit
Aug 01 16:02:45 <jott> grr the thunderstorm did not really came through. :/
Aug 01 16:02:58 <Khertan_n810> don t want to be insulting by some users
Aug 01 16:03:53 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 16:03:57 <Khertan_n810> ping ?
Aug 01 16:06:48 <Proteous> pong!
Aug 01 16:08:03 <Khertan_n810> re
Aug 01 16:09:46 <Khertan_n810> hum connection drop while modest retrieving a mail, and now only half of the content could be displayed
Aug 01 16:10:02 <Khertan_n810> no way to refresh it ?
Aug 01 16:10:11 <qwerty12> brb, mtdblock is playing games
Aug 01 16:10:29 <chmac> aquatix: Turns out I do have iptables installed, but it's not in my PATH, it's /sbin/iptables
Aug 01 16:11:11 <aquatix> ooh :)
Aug 01 16:11:28 <chmac> So now to see if I can turn my n810 into a wifi router :)
Aug 01 16:11:39 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 01 16:12:06 <Khertan_n810> this could be a bad idea to make this easily to made
Aug 01 16:12:21 <Khertan_n810> we will see many fake ap
Aug 01 16:17:06 <Khertan_n810> does an n810 will be accepted in a plane ?
Aug 01 16:17:25 <chmac> Turns out the iptables package doesn't include nat routing, looks like I also need https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ipt-nat
Aug 01 16:18:43 <hircus> Khertan_n810: haven't had a problem with it yet
Aug 01 16:18:56 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810, I was using it the whole time
Aug 01 16:18:57 <Khertan_n810> good
Aug 01 16:19:07 <qwerty12> chmac: those modules won't work with the latest kernel. I believe Matan has the updated modules on his page
Aug 01 16:19:09 <hircus> they think of it as just another PDA: you have to turn it off at takeoff/landing
Aug 01 16:19:16 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810, the only thing they told me was to take off my earbuds during take-off/landing
Aug 01 16:19:29 <chmac> qwerty12: I was just wondering if it would work, thanks :)
Aug 01 16:19:39 <Khertan_n810> i m afraid that seeing nokia logo they let think that was a phone
Aug 01 16:19:42 <qwerty12> :)
Aug 01 16:19:50 <hircus> of course, a fussy flight attendant might complain at the blinking lights :)
Aug 01 16:20:25 <Khertan_n810> i have never mount in an commercial flight
Aug 01 16:20:29 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810 & hircus: they don't care about what it is, really... It could be a friggin playstation 18 and they wouldn't care... As long as it doesn't freeze the controls or kills the pilot mid-flight
Aug 01 16:20:38 <chmac> qwerty12: This page? http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/
Aug 01 16:20:57 <Khertan_n810> my first experience in a jet was in a mirage 3
Aug 01 16:21:04 <qwerty12> chmac: yep, that's the one. Good luck finding it :)
Aug 01 16:21:20 <chmac> lol :)
Aug 01 16:21:21 <Kegetys> when the plane is heading towards the ground the attendand will come and say "sir, could you please turn that device off so the pilot can re-gain control of the aircraft"
Aug 01 16:21:30 <brontide> Just tell them it's in "Airplane" mode
Aug 01 16:21:46 <qwerty12> Tell them it can get them girls
Aug 01 16:21:52 <Khertan_n810> lol ... due to an software problem the sncf couldn t deliver any tickets !
Aug 01 16:22:07 <crashanddie__> brontide, yesterday, they told me they didn't care about it being on or off, they just don't want me to wear earbuds during landing/takeoff
Aug 01 16:22:13 <crashanddie__> which does make sense in a way
Aug 01 16:22:25 <chmac> qwerty12: Hmm, I don't see it there. Might be more hassle than it's worth...
Aug 01 16:22:26 <crashanddie__> Khertan_n810, pwned
Aug 01 16:22:29 <hircus> crashanddie__: you'd think so, but safety is just one consideration
Aug 01 16:22:34 <Khertan_n810> great for the day where there is the most travelers in the years
Aug 01 16:22:53 <qwerty12> chmac: I believe it's the netfilter stuff
Aug 01 16:22:57 <hircus> Khertan_n810: Mirage III -- really? as a pilot or in one of those pay-for-fun flights?
Aug 01 16:23:02 <chmac> qwerty12: Ok, cool, thanks
Aug 01 16:23:05 <brontide> crashanddie__:  Actually it does, with the number of "always" on devices like ipod and such that you can't easily shut off
Aug 01 16:24:01 <crashanddie__> brontide, true... I've always had a hard time believing all that stuff about cell phones in hospitals, or in the plane...
Aug 01 16:24:09 <Khertan_n810> hircus > in one of this don t paid it s free as your uncle is in army :)
Aug 01 16:24:28 <crashanddie__> I mean... If these guys can't build planes that are isolated against cell-phone/wifi frequencies... Why should I trust them with my life ?
Aug 01 16:24:37 <Kegetys> can I have your uncle?
Aug 01 16:24:41 <nemo> they are just being paranoid
Aug 01 16:24:43 <Khertan_n810> hehe
Aug 01 16:24:47 <brontide> My personal feeling is if planes/hospitals/.. can't deal with the #1 source of low wattage EM firlds we have a bigger problem
Aug 01 16:24:55 <chmac> qwerty12: Any idea what I do with the tar file? It's a bunch of .ko files I think...
Aug 01 16:24:58 <brontide> fields even
Aug 01 16:24:59 <crashanddie__> brontide, exactly
Aug 01 16:25:04 <RST38h> kegetys: you just need to enlist
Aug 01 16:25:09 <crashanddie__> anyway, bbl, cheers
Aug 01 16:25:18 <Kegetys> RST38h: enlist for uncle?
Aug 01 16:25:22 <chmac> I dare say I have to extract them somewhere on the n810... :)_
Aug 01 16:25:28 <Khertan_n810> brontide > they can but it cost more, so they do the minimum
Aug 01 16:25:28 <nemo> crashanddie__: anyway, if I had to guess, it isn't just about shielding, is about jamming
Aug 01 16:25:28 <qwerty12> chmac: use insmod on them.
Aug 01 16:25:34 <jott> chmac: insmod the right ones :)
Aug 01 16:25:34 <nemo> crashanddie__: what if you interfere with tower communications?
Aug 01 16:25:41 <qwerty12> iirc iptables can be pimped with modules
Aug 01 16:25:50 <chmac> qwerty12: Hmm, ok, I'll get into that, firstly I'll figure out what insmod is and then go from there! :)
Aug 01 16:25:53 <nemo> crashanddie__: they can shield the cockpit computers and speakers all they want...
Aug 01 16:25:59 <jott> or put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ and run a depmod ;)
Aug 01 16:26:06 <brontide> nemo: then nokia's going to have some 'spaining to do to the FCC
Aug 01 16:26:17 <nemo> brontide: why? you're not supposed to be using it?
Aug 01 16:26:21 <RST38h> how would you interfere with tower comms?
Aug 01 16:26:39 <nemo> RST38h: your RF is absorbed and reemitted at different scattered frequencies by bits of plain? dunno
Aug 01 16:26:43 <RST38h> completely different set of frequencies
Aug 01 16:26:49 <nemo> s/plain/plane/
Aug 01 16:26:52 <nemo> RST38h: see above
Aug 01 16:27:00 <RST38h> nemo: you are making stuff up
Aug 01 16:27:06 <nemo> RST38h: sure. all speculation
Aug 01 16:27:10 <nemo> they must have a reason though
Aug 01 16:27:21 <Kegetys> its so that when things go wrong and the plane crashes or some life support equipment fails they can blame it on the guy who had his cell phone on
Aug 01 16:27:27 <Khertan_n810> RST38h > a battery and a microwave 2000W capable device is enough
Aug 01 16:27:27 <brontide> this is the govt, they don't need reason or accountability
Aug 01 16:27:35 <RST38h> the reality is that the cell phone interference with avionics has not been confirmed
Aug 01 16:27:51 <nemo> oooh. avionics
Aug 01 16:28:01 <nemo> how about cell interference with other RF in general? :)
Aug 01 16:28:02 <Kegetys> afaik. a fast flying cell phone causes more trouble to the cell network underneath than the plane
Aug 01 16:28:13 <nemo> Kegetys: heard that one, but the airlines wouldn't care about that
Aug 01 16:28:23 <brontide> That's another pet peeve, one commercial microwave probably generates more EM "noise" than all the cell phone in the airport
Aug 01 16:28:32 <RST38h> kegetys: cell tower antennas do not transmit up
Aug 01 16:28:58 <nemo> RST38h: googling it does seem an RF transmitter can cause harmonics on other frequencies
Aug 01 16:29:00 <Khertan_n810> yep but i don t think microwaves is autorized :)
Aug 01 16:29:10 <RST38h> so you can fly over them all you want
Aug 01 16:29:21 <Kegetys> RST38h: not directly up (by purpose) but the signals reach up anyway
Aug 01 16:30:04 <brontide> nemo: FCC tests and regulates the device to prevent just that sort of problem
Aug 01 16:30:05 <nemo> I do know having a cell phone anywhere within a few metres of my computer speakers is annoying as hell
Aug 01 16:30:06 <hircus> Khertan_n810: neat. I still rewatch "Les chevaliers du ciel" from time to time
Aug 01 16:30:12 <nemo> I sure hope that doesn't happen to cockpit headphones
Aug 01 16:30:28 <nemo> brontide: tests and regulates to prevent harmonics? :)
Aug 01 16:30:33 <Khertan_n810> hircus > hehe
Aug 01 16:30:45 <brontide> Nokia would be in trouble if their devices were found to cause disruption to licences bands
Aug 01 16:30:55 <brontide> and yes they do test
Aug 01 16:30:55 <Kegetys> nemo: maybe if you take your phone next to the pilots headphones
Aug 01 16:30:59 <hircus> RST38h: I thought there were isolated cases in the past, but modern planes are mostly well-insulated enough?
Aug 01 16:31:26 <nemo> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7493
Aug 01 16:31:28 <nemo> interesting
Aug 01 16:31:37 <hircus> the scary thing is, some airlines are going to put GSM transmitters on planes. so now we can have alpha-male traders yakking down their business on a long-distance overnight flight :(
Aug 01 16:31:47 <nemo> that article implies astronomers aren't happy, and also that it is now allowed
Aug 01 16:32:00 <nemo> Kegetys: first class isn't that far away, but hopefully cockpit has some shielding
Aug 01 16:32:09 <hircus> nemo: yep, it is allowed. sad
Aug 01 16:32:32 <nemo> "It pointed out that, as well as emitting radiation at their fundamental operating frequencies, cellphones leak radiation at integer multiples of these frequencies, called harmonics."
Aug 01 16:32:41 <nemo> "The second harmonic happens to fall in a frequency band that reveals the molecular signature of newborn and dying stars and is among the 2% of frequencies in this part of the electromagnetic spectrum "reserved" for use by radio astronomers."
Aug 01 16:32:45 <nemo> poor astronomers
Aug 01 16:33:04 <nemo> brontide: so. there you go. harmonics :-p
Aug 01 16:33:08 <Khertan_n810> nemo > yep
Aug 01 16:33:10 <nemo> for those mocking my poor knowledge of EF
Aug 01 16:33:10 <hircus> nemo: any idea how reinforced steel interacts with radio transmission? US planes mostly have reinforced cockpit doors
Aug 01 16:33:24 <nemo> hircus: great. is rest of cockpit steel too? :)
Aug 01 16:33:39 <nemo> hircus: 'course, all that is needed is just some mesh
Aug 01 16:33:44 <nemo> assuming it is there
Aug 01 16:34:00 <hircus> nemo: nope :) but again, I don't think it's mostly a safety issue. it's mostly the airlines wanting you to use the expensive satphones
Aug 01 16:34:19 <jott> i guess it is all about risk calculation. if there is the possibility (even with a low likelihood) that phones could cause some problems it goes into the equation. if its y > x then phones will be banned. new research changes parameters and hence y.
Aug 01 16:34:21 <nemo> hircus: well, I've offered several possible reasons, and it looks like cellphones really do emit on harmonic frequencies
Aug 01 16:34:37 <hircus> the NS article is a bit vague. which cell frequencies? GSM phones have three bands: 800, 1800, 1900
Aug 01 16:34:40 <nemo> hircus: so seriously. given the cellphone doesn't work right with tower locks whipping by, turn the damn thing off
Aug 01 16:34:42 <Khertan_n810> does all this discussion is made to affraid me to take a civil flight for the first time ?
Aug 01 16:34:50 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 01 16:34:56 <chmac> Anyone know where depmod is to be found?
Aug 01 16:34:59 <nemo> hircus: 1800 and 1900 are virtually same for all intents and purposes
Aug 01 16:35:01 <brontide> nemo: and astronomers can't see stars because of light pollution, it still does not make cell phone dangerous on planes
Aug 01 16:35:03 <qwerty12> chmac: ask jott :P
Aug 01 16:35:06 <nemo> hircus: you could make an argument for 800
Aug 01 16:35:06 <hircus> nemo: apart from the fact that it did work during 9/11
Aug 01 16:35:09 <chmac> I can't find /sbin/depmod or /usr/sbin/depmod...
Aug 01 16:35:13 <hircus> though I guess the planes were flying slow
Aug 01 16:35:15 <nemo> hircus: in terms of slice of the EM spectrum
Aug 01 16:35:19 <chmac> Perhaps reboot will be quicker :)
Aug 01 16:35:30 <jott> chmac: http://sse2.net/depmod :>
Aug 01 16:35:32 <hircus> brontide: radio astronomy, not affected by light pollution
Aug 01 16:35:34 <nemo> brontide: at least they can move their observation somewhere where the towns aren't. harder to do with planes
Aug 01 16:35:55 <chmac> jott: :)
Aug 01 16:35:55 <nemo> brontide: aaaanyway. as I was pointing out. article also defends idea that cellphones interfere with frequencies outside their given ranges
Aug 01 16:36:01 <nemo> and I don't think FCC can "control" that
Aug 01 16:36:08 <brontide> all rf devices generate harmonics
Aug 01 16:36:13 <chmac> Reboot it is then :)
Aug 01 16:36:31 <nemo> brontide: right. so. folks should stop whining and turn their cell phones off. what's the big deal
Aug 01 16:36:33 <brontide> it's the amount of harmonics that matters
Aug 01 16:36:38 <hircus> the problem will be minimized, though, if onboard cell towers are used
Aug 01 16:36:39 <t_s_o> hmm, didnt the mythbusters cover the topic of cellphones on a plane?
Aug 01 16:36:44 <nemo> frankly, what makes me not want to fly in US is the draconian security measures
Aug 01 16:36:47 <Khertan_n810> brontide > all electronical device generate harmonics !
Aug 01 16:37:04 <hircus> most phones are smart enough to use the minimal amount of transmit power, right? so if the signal from the tower is very clear, they'll dial back
Aug 01 16:37:09 <t_s_o> nemo: those draconian security seems to be spreading
Aug 01 16:37:20 <nemo> hircus: in air, all your tower signals will be weak :)
Aug 01 16:37:35 <hircus> nemo: I'm talking about onboard cellular towers, though
Aug 01 16:37:44 <nemo> t_s_o: at least the public outrage over their interest in shock collars caused them to scramble back from that one
Aug 01 16:37:49 <hircus> i.e., the airlines actually providing their own cellular roaming service
Aug 01 16:37:55 <t_s_o> say what?
Aug 01 16:38:04 <nemo> hircus: ah. yeah. those are spreading
Aug 01 16:38:08 <Proteous> god no, I don't want to be on stuck on a plane with a bunch of n00bs talking loudly on cell phones!
Aug 01 16:38:13 <hircus> most of the plans to allow cell phones on board are like that. your phone will roam through the plane's service, and so they still take your money
Aug 01 16:38:35 <nemo> t_s_o: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/08/1513259
Aug 01 16:38:36 <t_s_o> nemo: you have a link about those collars?
Aug 01 16:38:39 <nemo> ^^^
Aug 01 16:38:39 <t_s_o> ah, thanks
Aug 01 16:38:44 <Kegetys> forget talking, I need to irc
Aug 01 16:38:49 <Proteous> maybe some sort of no cell secion like the old smoking sections
Aug 01 16:38:50 <hircus> thus my perception that it's a commercial, not safety issue. if the airline makes money they'll let you do anything safe. they don't care about radio astronomers -- or the passenger comfort :P
Aug 01 16:38:57 <nemo> t_s_o: they then went "we weren't really considering it you sillies"
Aug 01 16:39:04 <hircus> I'm 5'4" and I find a lot of plane seats cramped :)
Aug 01 16:39:13 <nemo> t_s_o: I think the TSA is a testing ground for what americans will accept
Aug 01 16:39:19 <t_s_o> heh, bracelets, not collars, but with the same basic effect...
Aug 01 16:39:25 <Proteous> anal probes? check
Aug 01 16:39:31 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 01 16:39:35 <hircus> Proteous: or reverse that. have a cellphone section
Aug 01 16:39:35 <nemo> t_s_o: they also have a new ID program. if you pay them $$ and submit to intense scruitiny of your life, you can go in the special lane!
Aug 01 16:39:38 <hircus> that is noise-insulated
Aug 01 16:39:39 <nemo> t_s_o: you still get searched
Aug 01 16:39:49 <hircus> nemo: oh yes, that lane is mostly empty too
Aug 01 16:40:02 <t_s_o> and people wonder why i have no need to visit that contry...
Aug 01 16:40:05 <hircus> is the ID screening less tight on that lane, or is the benefit mostly because less people use it?
Aug 01 16:40:19 <nemo> hircus: you just wave your special ID they give you
Aug 01 16:40:23 <hircus> my suspicion with that scheme is that you're giving away even more personal info to the govt
Aug 01 16:40:26 <nemo> hircus: I consider it a test program for national ID
Aug 01 16:40:36 <nemo> hircus: oh. my life is already an open book. I had to get a green card
Aug 01 16:40:58 <nemo> and a security clearance
Aug 01 16:41:03 <hircus> nemo: ah. I'm a foreigner here too, so yes. the last time I entered the country last year, they have switched to 10-finger prints
Aug 01 16:41:06 <Kegetys> and if you fail on something with the test you paid for, you'll get banned from flying for life? :P
Aug 01 16:41:08 <nemo> of course, the clearance was made easier since the green card already had laid my life bare
Aug 01 16:41:15 <nemo> Kegetys: heh. no clue.
Aug 01 16:41:29 <chmac> If I dump files in /lib/modules/kernel/blah/ do I need to then load them, or will they be loaded automagically?
Aug 01 16:41:38 <t_s_o> some of the comments on that /. story is interesting
Aug 01 16:41:42 <hircus> chmac: you sitll have to load them
Aug 01 16:41:43 <chmac> Maybe depmod will be quicker than a reboot :)
Aug 01 16:41:44 <nemo> Kegetys: has a stupid scientology-like name too
Aug 01 16:41:48 <nemo> Kegetys: http://www.flyclear.com
Aug 01 16:41:49 <hircus> t_s_o: which story? sorry, missed the URL
Aug 01 16:41:59 <t_s_o> http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/08/1513259
Aug 01 16:43:01 <t_s_o> it makes one wonder, sadly, if not the gun lobby is correct. a armed society makes for a polite society...
Aug 01 16:43:01 <hircus> what the heck., it's not April 1st
Aug 01 16:43:25 <hircus> anyone here familiar with the Chinese tale "Journey to the West"? the monkey-god was restrained by the priest in the story using a restraining headband
Aug 01 16:43:46 <nemo> hircus: they just "expressed interest"
Aug 01 16:43:56 <nemo> hircus: I seriously think they are testing what we'll accept :-p
Aug 01 16:44:27 <nemo> hircus: just like "oh, you don't want to do the full body scan that shows your naughty bits?" ok - we'll just detain you for half an hour for a real strip search. congrats!
Aug 01 16:45:22 <hircus> power corrupts. reminds me of that Ursula K. LeGuin book, the Dispossessed, where children in an anarchist colony rediscovered police brutality when, out of curiosity, they role-played prisoner and guard
Aug 01 16:45:23 <skunk> hi all
Aug 01 16:45:26 <nemo> t_s_o: whether they are right or not, just wish the other side would have the guts to submit a constitutional amendment
Aug 01 16:45:51 <nemo> t_s_o: just like the folks who feel the "illegal search and seizure" should not mean evidence obtained from illegal searches must be dropped.
Aug 01 16:45:58 <nemo> t_s_o: they should submit and amendment too
Aug 01 16:46:01 <nemo> s/and/an/
Aug 01 16:46:19 <nemo> t_s_o: if so many people don't want guns, should be easy to strike down the 2nd.
Aug 01 16:46:40 <nemo> hircus: she lifted that from the stanford experiment eh.
Aug 01 16:46:46 <t_s_o> oh, they want guns. just not in the hands of the criminals...
Aug 01 16:46:58 <skunk> :*
Aug 01 16:47:03 <chmac> Ok, so I've got the kernel modules from that file in /lib/modules/kernel/blah/
Aug 01 16:47:06 <chmac> I've run depmod
Aug 01 16:47:12 <nemo> t_s_o: yes. that worked great in DC :)
Aug 01 16:47:17 <nemo> t_s_o: no criminals with guns here, noooo
Aug 01 16:47:35 <nemo> t_s_o: was hilarious. this spring they had DC chief of police on local radio show.
Aug 01 16:47:39 <hircus> nemo: she did, yes
Aug 01 16:47:51 <chmac> But I'm still getting "iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)"
Aug 01 16:47:55 <chmac> Anyone got any suggestions?
Aug 01 16:47:55 <hircus> the effect is more haunting when it's children that are doing it
Aug 01 16:48:05 <nemo> t_s_o: host was sympathetic, but he asked "how is this working out? Wasn't it just last week someone walked up to a police officer with a concealed handgun and shot them?"
Aug 01 16:48:11 <hircus> chmac: modprobe the module
Aug 01 16:48:23 <nemo> t_s_o: her only response was that it'd be worse if they didn't have the ban in place. which maybe it would be. who knows.
Aug 01 16:48:24 <chmac> hircus: Any idea which module? There are tons in the tgz
Aug 01 16:48:33 <hircus> chmac: one sec
Aug 01 16:48:36 <qwerty12> block2mtd sucks. mtdram ftw
Aug 01 16:48:39 <hircus> this is for iptables, right?
Aug 01 16:48:39 <nemo> t_s_o: but I can tell you the DC residents who were calling in with horror stories of personal assault didn't feel that way
Aug 01 16:49:00 <chmac> hircus: I'm trying to do nat routing for iptables, so I downloaded this file http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/netfilter-diablo.tgz
Aug 01 16:49:00 <nemo> t_s_o: (this was on Cojo's show if you're a local)
Aug 01 16:49:03 <nemo> t_s_o: on NPR
Aug 01 16:49:09 <chmac> Then I dumped the files onto my tablet
Aug 01 16:49:14 <hircus> chmac: try iptable_filter
Aug 01 16:49:22 <chmac> hircus: Ok, cool, thanks :)
Aug 01 16:49:30 <hircus> that's what's loaded on my Linux desktop that seems to pull all the other dependencies
Aug 01 16:49:39 <t_s_o> not the least bit local, but sometimes i feel i have a better understanding of whats going on internally in usa, then internally here...
Aug 01 16:50:05 <nemo> t_s_o: that's just 'cause US broadcasts it more :)
Aug 01 16:50:13 <nemo> t_s_o: where from?
Aug 01 16:50:17 <t_s_o> norway
Aug 01 16:50:24 <nemo> good english
Aug 01 16:50:51 <t_s_o> thanks
Aug 01 16:51:10 <t_s_o> but you would probably not say the same if it was spoken ;)
Aug 01 16:51:10 <hircus> t_s_o: the exception to the rule that oil-wealthy countries mismanage their wealth :)
Aug 01 16:51:14 * qwerty12 has yet to find a person from a Nordic country that doesn't speak good english :)
Aug 01 16:51:21 <Khertan_n810> re
Aug 01 16:51:26 <t_s_o> hircus: i dont think the locals would agree
Aug 01 16:51:48 <hircus> t_s_o: what are the major complaints?
Aug 01 16:51:49 <chmac> hircus: I can't find an iptable_filter in the tgz...
Aug 01 16:52:17 <t_s_o> that all branches of local government is underfunded
Aug 01 16:52:18 <chmac> Will all modules in /lib/modules/kernel/ be loaded by `depmod -a` ?
Aug 01 16:52:22 <hircus> t_s_o: heard of the government funding Norwegian students to study anywhere, which sounds nice
Aug 01 16:52:37 <hircus> chmac: no, depmod does not load the module. modprobe or insmod does
Aug 01 16:52:43 <hircus> let me download the tarball and see
Aug 01 16:52:46 <jott> chmac: i think you are looking for iptable_nat
Aug 01 16:52:53 <hircus> t_s_o: ah.
Aug 01 16:53:06 <chmac> I get "insmod: cannot insert 'iptable_nat.ko': Unknown symbol in module (-1): No such file or directory"
Aug 01 16:53:32 <hircus> chmac: using insmod or modprobe?
Aug 01 16:53:35 <t_s_o> hircus: funded in the sense that you get a loan from the government...
Aug 01 16:53:40 <chmac> insmod
Aug 01 16:53:45 * qwerty12 notices uber slowness after "modprobe mtdram total_size=88888 erase_size=256"
Aug 01 16:53:46 <hircus> chmac: insmod needs the fullpath. use 'modprobe iptable_nat'
Aug 01 16:54:15 <hircus> t_s_o: ah. what are the repayment terms, though? in the US it's horrible
Aug 01 16:55:07 <chmac> hircus, jott: Ooooh, it seems to have worked, thanks a lot guys
Aug 01 16:55:08 <chmac> Now for some testing
Aug 01 16:55:10 <t_s_o> hard to tell, but they seem to always charge more interest then a bank would if you got one there
Aug 01 16:55:21 <chmac> I'll have to pull my laptop offline while I mess around with it, I'll be back...
Aug 01 16:57:06 <t_s_o> but i guess one can see a problem when one of the biggest political parties battlecry is cheaper alcohol and fuel
Aug 01 16:59:43 <Churl> hi, can a n8x0 run things written in java?
Aug 01 16:59:50 <Khertan_n810> no
Aug 01 17:00:34 <bef0rd> yes and no
Aug 01 17:00:35 <t_s_o> hmm, i think i recently read that someone had ported a javavm to the tablets...
Aug 01 17:00:35 <Churl> well, my friend is going to code up a game for me, what should she write it in?
Aug 01 17:00:39 <qwerty12> https://wiki.evolvis.org/jalimo/index.php/Maemo - Not perfect by any means though...
Aug 01 17:00:47 <Khertan_n810> do u have see the job on maemo jobs news ?
Aug 01 17:01:07 <Khertan_n810> it s seems that nokia is looking someone to make a pim ?
Aug 01 17:01:10 <bef0rd> Churl, python + pygame?
Aug 01 17:01:20 <Khertan_n810> python
Aug 01 17:01:33 <Churl> how bout c++?
Aug 01 17:01:43 <Churl> she likes that one best
Aug 01 17:01:51 <bef0rd> c++ / sdl ?
Aug 01 17:02:09 <t_s_o> a lady with interest in c++? is she single? ;)
Aug 01 17:02:28 <qwerty12> Churl: Is this your Girlfriend from last time? :)
Aug 01 17:02:30 <Churl> this wouldn't be the first time
Aug 01 17:02:32 <Churl> yeah
Aug 01 17:02:33 <Churl> lol
Aug 01 17:03:00 <Churl> ill let her know, if you ask nice, she'll show you her math tattoos
Aug 01 17:03:12 <t_s_o> heh
Aug 01 17:03:17 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 01 17:03:20 <Churl> im not joking
Aug 01 17:03:26 <qwerty12> Hehe, for C++, I think there is http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/index.html
Aug 01 17:03:33 <Churl>  cool
Aug 01 17:03:37 <bef0rd> she would need to setup the maemo develover environment
Aug 01 17:03:53 <bef0rd> does she use linux? (winner question)
Aug 01 17:04:00 <qwerty12> Oh shit, compiz messed up and my firefox window literally keeps dancing 0_o
Aug 01 17:04:00 <Churl> neat, I think ill get her in here.
Aug 01 17:04:05 <Churl> xubuntu
Aug 01 17:04:21 <Khertan_n810> download the vmware applyance ... more easy to install :)
Aug 01 17:04:24 <Churl> yeah, she's the best ever
Aug 01 17:04:38 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810: vmware image uses xubuntu :P
Aug 01 17:04:51 <Khertan_n810> i know
Aug 01 17:04:52 <t_s_o> http://xkcd.com/456/ <- hmm...
Aug 01 17:05:12 <Churl> she loves xkcd too
Aug 01 17:05:22 <Churl> I got linked that one by her the other day
Aug 01 17:06:15 <bef0rd> haha 457 is good to
Aug 01 17:06:43 <Churl> qwerty12: skmurphy says "hey"
Aug 01 17:06:58 <bef0rd> Churl, are you running diablo or chinook?
Aug 01 17:07:10 <Churl> diablo
Aug 01 17:07:10 <qwerty12> Churl: Hehe, hey. Before I carry on, I add that I am not a developer :)
Aug 01 17:07:14 <t_s_o> bef0rd: i dont think the problem with those are the complexity, but that the big brain have shut down by the time one is attempting to open one...
Aug 01 17:08:19 <Churl> we're gonna go get lunch, then be back to ask questions in full force, together!  thanks guys for the info. brb!
Aug 01 17:11:31 <bef0rd> I solved one of those following instructions from a book >_>
Aug 01 17:16:07 <qwerty12> Yep, mtdram ftw. block2mtd is unsuitable for modifying initfs off a computer.
Aug 01 17:20:23 <chmac> Ok, no joy so far. I think I'm missing something during the load module stage
Aug 01 17:21:45 <qwerty12> Do a dmesg after inserting the modules and see if you are getting any errors
Aug 01 17:22:35 <chmac> qwerty12: Errors would be at the bottom of the output would they?
Aug 01 17:22:44 <qwerty12> Yep
Aug 01 17:22:53 <chmac> Not seeing anything that looks like an error
Aug 01 17:24:57 <t_s_o> hmm, whats the default mode for the usb port on a N800 using diablo? i got some odd "error" here, but using usbcontrol to specifically set it to slave/perifial seems to have made it go away...
Aug 01 17:28:08 <chmac> qwerty12: Ok, getting somewhere. I modprobed everything in the tgz, now I see an error on dmesg
Aug 01 17:28:15 <chmac> arp_tables: Unknown parameter `ipt_IDLETIMER'
Aug 01 17:28:36 <chmac> However, I tried to modprobe that module first, before the ipt_IDLETIMER one, now I've modprobed the idletimer and the error one again
Aug 01 17:28:49 <chmac> I only see the error once in dmesg, does that mean it's probably resolved now?
Aug 01 17:28:51 <chmac> Is it a log file?
Aug 01 17:29:26 <chmac> Offtopic question, is there a way to `sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/etc` successfully?
Aug 01 17:29:59 <chmac> Maybe `sudo eval (echo 1 > /proc/sys/blah)` or something...
Aug 01 17:31:19 <chmac> Damn, I'm still not seeing any change to the output of `iptables -L` after running the relevant command
Aug 01 17:31:39 <chmac> Oh well, time to leave this hack for another day I think, it's half past midnight here
Aug 01 17:31:55 <chmac> Thanks for all your help guys :)
Aug 01 17:31:57 <chmac> G'night
Aug 01 17:32:18 <bef0rd> good old linux
Aug 01 17:52:47 <mikkov_> maemo on assembly tv!
Aug 01 17:53:39 <mikkov_> http://tv512.asm.fi/dss512k.sdp
Aug 01 18:05:45 <RST38h> moo, all
Aug 01 18:11:44 <GreyFoxx> Hmmm, how long should a initial GPS lock take with an N810 ? :)
Aug 01 18:12:14 <bef0rd> :]
Aug 01 18:12:58 <harriv> GreyFoxx: how long have you waited?
Aug 01 18:13:05 <GreyFoxx> 15 minutes
Aug 01 18:13:12 <GreyFoxx> right next to an open window
Aug 01 18:13:34 <GreyFoxx> but I am in a large building so surrounded by concrete and steel
Aug 01 18:13:35 <skmurphy> we had to dangle one we had out of the window
Aug 01 18:14:02 <GreyFoxx> A coworker has a bluetooth gps receiver attached to his n800 and it's less than 30 seconds or so :)
Aug 01 18:14:10 <skmurphy> yep
Aug 01 18:14:16 <skmurphy> this one is...
Aug 01 18:14:19 <skmurphy> let me see if i can remember
Aug 01 18:15:38 <skmurphy> oh well, i don't remember...some weird off-brand
Aug 01 18:18:16 <tank-man> try with agps
Aug 01 18:18:39 <tank-man> my bt gps is quick too, 39 seconds
Aug 01 18:18:41 <skmurphy> trimble, that's it!
Aug 01 18:21:05 <Churl> GreyFoxx: I would take it outside, in the open.  are you gettting any sat.'s in range?
Aug 01 18:21:51 <GreyFoxx> Just sitting in there "Searching for GPS receiver" at the moment
Aug 01 18:22:10 <GreyFoxx> I'm playing with settings, and had it set to File Path /dev/pgps
Aug 01 18:22:21 <GreyFoxx> which isn't getting me anywhere :)
Aug 01 18:22:50 <Churl> hold on, im gonna watch mine start up
Aug 01 18:23:01 <GreyFoxx> thanks, I'd love to know what your settings are
Aug 01 18:23:04 <Churl> using maemo mapper?
Aug 01 18:23:08 <GreyFoxx> yeah
Aug 01 18:23:21 <Churl> id love to help
Aug 01 18:23:37 <GreyFoxx> It was defaulting to Bluetooth, so I changed it to filepath since I can see that device node is there on the box
Aug 01 18:24:11 <Churl> GreyFoxx: so it doesn't get to "establishing gps fix" ,  correct?
Aug 01 18:24:12 <skmurphy> hey Churl
Aug 01 18:24:26 <Churl> hey skmurphy
Aug 01 18:24:43 <GreyFoxx> Chur: Right, right now it's just saying "Searching for GPS receiver with the spinning circle
Aug 01 18:24:53 <Churl> and what did you change?
Aug 01 18:25:16 <Churl> is yours using bluetooth?
Aug 01 18:25:31 <GreyFoxx> When into the mapper "Settings" option, and change it from the default of "blue tooth" to File Path
Aug 01 18:25:35 <GreyFoxx> that's all so far
Aug 01 18:25:58 <GreyFoxx> Since I have no gpsd running, and no bluetooth it was the only option to make sense :)
Aug 01 18:27:17 <Churl> ok, so it's not a bluetooth gps, and you've got it dotted at "file path" /dev/pgps  ?
Aug 01 18:27:33 <GreyFoxx> yup
Aug 01 18:27:45 <GreyFoxx> just restarting the app now in case the change didn't take effect without a restart
Aug 01 18:28:59 <GreyFoxx> ok, apparently gpsd is running, lets try that too :)
Aug 01 18:29:00 <Churl> my best idea is to get into the command line and make sure the path is correct
Aug 01 18:29:13 <GreyFoxx> yeah I checked that right away
Aug 01 18:32:02 <ShadowJK> I think I have maemo mapper set to bluetooth gps even with internal gps...
Aug 01 18:32:29 <Churl> neat
Aug 01 18:33:27 <irq> hey guys
Aug 01 18:33:37 <irq> i have my n810 set to boot from the SD slot, and it works fine
Aug 01 18:33:49 <irq> but i want to flash the new OS release in, and i'm wondering what that will do to the flash menu, etc
Aug 01 18:33:55 <irq> and if i'll need to re-setup the sd booting
Aug 01 18:34:02 <irq> or if i need to un-set it up etc
Aug 01 18:34:04 <irq> any thoughts?
Aug 01 18:40:52 <Churl> I wish I knew too, I havnt tried yet cause im not too clear on the whole process
Aug 01 18:42:54 <bef0rd> I think that if you use the commands / parameters posted on HowToFlashLastestFirmware it will overwrite your menu
Aug 01 18:43:13 <bef0rd> but I believe there is an option to avoid it
Aug 01 18:43:18 <bef0rd> don't quote me on that
Aug 01 18:43:30 <Churl> "bef0rd"
Aug 01 18:43:37 <Churl> you've been quoted!
Aug 01 18:44:06 <bef0rd> :P
Aug 01 18:44:13 <bef0rd> You can always reinstall the boot menu
Aug 01 18:44:21 <bef0rd> (I believe)
Aug 01 18:44:41 <irq> bef0rd: can you URL me on that page? google isn't being helpful
Aug 01 18:46:12 <Churl> irq: what's the new os release?
Aug 01 18:46:30 <bef0rd> what instructions did you follow to boot from the SD?
Aug 01 18:46:54 <irq> churl diablo right? came out a few months ago
Aug 01 18:46:59 <irq> bef0rd: i did this so long ago i have no memory
Aug 01 18:47:09 <Churl> ok :) making sure
Aug 01 18:47:18 <irq> i have the image i just need the macosx cli flasher util
Aug 01 18:47:21 <irq> having trouble finding that
Aug 01 18:47:48 <bef0rd> http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Aug 01 18:48:17 <irq> this page says "download flash utility from here: <blank>" like someone edited the URLs out nhttp://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/
Aug 01 18:48:21 <bef0rd> I guess that after flashing, you will have to do the part of installing the boot menu again
Aug 01 18:48:46 <irq> that's okay
Aug 01 18:49:02 <bef0rd> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
Aug 01 18:49:03 <irq> i was just worried the procedure might be different with new release
Aug 01 18:49:09 <irq> thanks bef0rd!
Aug 01 18:49:37 <bef0rd> it *could* be different in some parts, you may want to ask to somebody more experimented with init flashing
Aug 01 18:50:00 <bef0rd> qwerty12 (but he is not here)
Aug 01 18:50:11 <bef0rd> jott
Aug 01 18:50:13 <irq> i have a few customizations i am not looking forward to figuring out again
Aug 01 18:50:35 <irq> i set up Fn+euro to be tab character and Fn+UKP to be pipe
Aug 01 18:50:44 <irq> and it took like, 600,000 years of modifying random files until it worked :)
Aug 01 18:51:29 <bef0rd> oh, I dont think that will broke, that's on your sd, right?
Aug 01 18:51:44 <Cptnodegard> [20:50] <irq> and it took like, 600,000 years of modifying random files until it worked :)  <- that should go into history as the short version of the bible xD
Aug 01 18:52:27 <zap> actually you could spend a couple hours to find some xkb docs :)
Aug 01 18:52:44 <bef0rd> pff, that's the easy way
Aug 01 18:52:51 <bef0rd> :P
Aug 01 18:52:59 <zap> but N8xx definitely needs a better keymap, true
Aug 01 18:54:13 <irq> cptn: lol thanks :)
Aug 01 18:54:27 <zap> hmm
Aug 01 18:54:37 <zap> is ITOS HE an official Nokia release?
Aug 01 18:55:12 <irq> HE?
Aug 01 18:55:28 <bef0rd> hacker edition
Aug 01 18:56:19 <Cptnodegard> helium edition. everything you play on it sounds like its alvin and the chipmunks
Aug 01 18:56:20 <zap> to download HE I would need to enter my serial number %-O
Aug 01 18:56:29 * Cptnodegard stops the sugar intake and gos away
Aug 01 18:56:48 <irq> is there a HE version of diablo
Aug 01 18:57:04 <bef0rd> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
Aug 01 18:57:15 <bef0rd> HE is a stripped down version of diablo
Aug 01 18:57:20 <irq> i thought HE only went to 2007
Aug 01 18:57:39 <bef0rd> oh, i mean os2008
Aug 01 18:57:47 <bef0rd> dont know if its diablo, or chinook
Aug 01 18:57:55 <irq> can you summarize differences?
Aug 01 18:57:59 <irq> between HE and non-HE
Aug 01 18:58:29 <bef0rd> not really
Aug 01 18:58:37 <bef0rd> HE has less stuff probably
Aug 01 18:58:46 <bef0rd> it needs to fit on a smaller space
Aug 01 18:59:25 <bef0rd> 770 had less space for the OS
Aug 01 19:00:14 <bef0rd> HE is just for 770
Aug 01 19:04:11 <GNUton> Hi there
Aug 01 19:04:39 <GNUton> X-Fade: It failed again.. :(
Aug 01 19:23:24 <irq> is anyone here using 4.2008 diablo & booting off SD card?
Aug 01 19:32:16 <irq> how do i get 'gainroot' in diablo? the instructions online refer to bora...
Aug 01 19:33:11 <bef0rd> install rootsh
Aug 01 19:33:15 <bef0rd> from maemo extras
Aug 01 19:33:22 <irq> k
Aug 01 19:33:40 <irq> i don't see it in list
Aug 01 19:33:50 <irq> oh
Aug 01 19:33:52 <irq> maemo extras was disabled
Aug 01 19:35:48 <bef0rd> rootsh is not gainroot, but it does the same
Aug 01 19:36:34 <irq> great
Aug 01 19:36:36 <irq> thank youO2A!
Aug 01 19:36:42 <irq> s/O2A//
Aug 01 19:37:32 <irq> should i be concerned about adding repositories that are still lablede like bora? and not diablo?
Aug 01 19:37:58 <irq> there's no one meta-repository anywhere?
Aug 01 19:39:33 <Jaffa> ~root
Aug 01 19:40:44 <bef0rd> infobot is not here :[
Aug 01 19:40:51 <Jaffa> bah
Aug 01 19:41:03 <bef0rd> irq, you should only add diablo or chinook repositories
Aug 01 19:41:20 <bef0rd> although there are some chinook apps that won't work
Aug 01 19:45:22 <nomis> Mhm, where is the canonical documentation for the various properties of the gstreamer nodes?
Aug 01 19:47:25 <nomis> (specifically dspilbcsrc)
Aug 01 19:49:08 <matan> quit
Aug 01 19:51:04 <bef0rd> you missed the /
Aug 01 19:51:38 <matan> No. Actually, the quit was destined to a different window.
Aug 01 19:51:44 <tank-man> god
Aug 01 19:58:32 <irq> yes? :
Aug 01 19:58:35 <irq> :)
Aug 01 20:01:56 <irq> so bef0rd and anyone else
Aug 01 20:02:03 <irq> what would you say are the 'must have' apps & repositories?
Aug 01 20:11:57 <bef0rd> don't know, I've just reflashed and I have only installed canola + mplayer, fbreader, ines
Aug 01 20:22:30 <jott> X-Fade: still not enough diskspace :(
Aug 01 20:23:58 <X-Fade> jott: *@#$@**!!!!
Aug 01 20:25:17 <X-Fade> jott: So that sucks.
Aug 01 20:25:56 <jott> indeed. :(
Aug 01 20:26:28 <X-Fade> I'll try to get something fixed or maybe I can move a builder to a different vm.
Aug 01 20:26:45 <jott> yeah would be great, thanks.
Aug 01 20:31:10 <X-Fade> jott: I've asked Ed how hard it is to setup a new builder. I think I have a nice VM where we can run that temporarily.
Aug 01 20:31:29 <X-Fade> That would give us some air until I get a more permanent setup arranged.
Aug 01 20:32:39 <jott> ah yeah, nice. the more permanent solution will be approx. end of the month? (new servers?)
Aug 01 20:33:01 <X-Fade> jott: Well that depends on budget etc etc..
Aug 01 20:33:12 <X-Fade> New servers for the builder part at least.
Aug 01 20:33:53 <jott> hm i see. well some vm with more hdd space would suffice i guess.
Aug 01 20:34:14 <X-Fade> And a bit more cpu power won't hurt ;)
Aug 01 20:34:56 <X-Fade> btw, do you know if qt can be build with parallel makes?
Aug 01 20:35:09 <jott> yes, should work.
Aug 01 20:35:43 <X-Fade> Ok, that is something to look into later..
Aug 01 20:36:04 <X-Fade> Time for the weekend to start ;)
Aug 01 20:36:21 <X-Fade> Well, I'll probably be here tomorrow morning..
Aug 01 20:36:50 <jott> allright. have fun! thanks for the heads up.
Aug 01 20:37:22 <X-Fade> Hehe, we tested with small packages and now you guys start with mega ones..
Aug 01 20:37:29 <jott> (it's raining so i don't have much motivation going out tonight ;)
Aug 01 20:37:31 <X-Fade> A moving target ;)
Aug 01 20:38:02 <jott> hehe, yeah qt is really heavy to build.
Aug 01 20:39:32 <X-Fade> Anyway.... later ;)
Aug 01 20:39:42 <jott> later!
Aug 01 20:42:36 <irq> what would you say are the 'must have' apps & repositories?
Aug 01 20:43:07 <jott> does infobot have a list? ;)
Aug 01 20:43:18 <jott> ~apps
Aug 01 20:43:19 <infobot> i guess apps is at http://www.linuxapps.com
Aug 01 20:47:05 <jott> ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer and more.
Aug 01 20:47:06 <infobot> jott: okay
Aug 01 20:47:10 <jott> ~musthave
Aug 01 20:47:11 <infobot> from memory, musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer and more.
Aug 01 20:48:00 <jott> ah and Advanced Backlight of course ;)
Aug 01 20:49:00 <jott> ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl and much more.
Aug 01 20:49:01 <infobot> ...but musthave is already something else...
Aug 01 20:49:08 <jott> ~forget musthave
Aug 01 20:49:08 <infobot> i forgot musthave, jott
Aug 01 20:49:11 <jott> ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl and much more.
Aug 01 20:49:11 <infobot> jott: okay
Aug 01 20:50:33 <qwerty12_N800> a statusbar clock is useful to me
Aug 01 20:50:34 <jott> any other suggestions? :)
Aug 01 20:51:11 <qwerty12_N800> Transmission. Now I can pirate on the move :p
Aug 01 20:51:15 <jott> qwerty12_N800: is that the correct name?
Aug 01 20:51:22 <jott> "Statusbar Clock"
Aug 01 20:51:30 <qwerty12_N800> Large Statusbar Clock
Aug 01 20:52:05 <jott> ~forget musthave
Aug 01 20:52:05 <infobot> jott: i forgot musthave
Aug 01 20:52:18 <jott> ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more.
Aug 01 20:52:18 <infobot> okay, jott
Aug 01 20:52:28 <jott> there was also a wiki page, right? ;)
Aug 01 20:53:37 <jott> ~forget musthave
Aug 01 20:53:37 <infobot> jott: i forgot musthave
Aug 01 20:53:48 <jott> ~musthave is Maemo Mapper, FBReader, Vagalume, Canola, Numpty Physics, X-Chat, Evince, ScummVM, MyTube, MPlayer, Advanced Backlight, USBControl, Large Statusbar Clock, Transmission and much more. Also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Remarkable_community_projects
Aug 01 20:53:48 <infobot> jott: okay
Aug 01 20:53:56 <jott> bot spamming ;)
Aug 01 20:57:48 <qwerty12_N800> ~curse sliderotate,hildon-input-method, searchmonkey
Aug 01 20:57:49 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, sliderotate,hildon-input-method, searchmonkey !
Aug 01 20:58:00 <qwerty12_N800> infobot: lame
Aug 01 20:58:26 <jott> infobot: think of better punchlines, dude!
Aug 01 20:59:58 <qwerty12_N800> ha, syslog on this device was eating 16Mb of  my mtdblock4 >.<
Aug 01 21:00:49 <irq> what does advanced backlight do?
Aug 01 21:01:24 <camden> hello
Aug 01 21:01:38 <jott> irq: provide more brightness levels, merges with the volume slider and adds rotation support if you have installed the right kernel + xserver.
Aug 01 21:02:22 <jott> (you also get one more slot free in your statusbar with it as you don't need brightness AND volume up there)
Aug 01 21:02:57 <irq> is there an easy way to replace busybox with real versions of all the tools it provides - including bash?
Aug 01 21:03:07 <irq> last time i tried, well, it ended badly. heh
Aug 01 21:03:08 <jott> no
Aug 01 21:03:11 <jott> (as in "no easy way")
Aug 01 21:03:18 <qwerty12_N800> bash is easy, the rest, not so easy
Aug 01 21:03:36 <jott> yeah standalone bash can be installed without big problems.
Aug 01 21:05:47 <GNUton> Hi there
Aug 01 21:05:55 <GNUton> Hi jott!
Aug 01 21:08:40 <jott> GNUton: hello
Aug 01 21:08:50 <jott> GNUton: still no luck with the packages :(
Aug 01 21:09:27 <GNUton> jott: yes :( it´s not the lucky day for me... not yet..
Aug 01 21:10:15 <jott> GNUton: X-Fade will take care of this.
Aug 01 21:11:15 <jott> GNUton: any plans on moving to qt 4.4.1? ;)
Aug 01 21:12:50 <zap> Something happened with the extras autobuilder?
Aug 01 21:13:02 <zap> I uploaded three packages, they built fine, but I don'
Aug 01 21:13:07 <zap> don't see them in extras-devel
Aug 01 21:13:26 <jott> maybe because the hdd is full?! :P
Aug 01 21:13:42 <GNUton> jot: not yet. Probably after the akademy
Aug 01 21:14:13 <qwerty12_N800> oh crap, i must have uploaded my deb with porn to extras-devel
Aug 01 21:15:12 <zap> jott: that's serious?
Aug 01 21:16:07 <jott> zap: yes.
Aug 01 21:16:48 <zap> ah ok, I suppose Nokia' top management now looks where to get $200 for an extra 1Tb hdd...
Aug 01 21:16:52 <jott> look at the last lines: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Aug 01 21:17:59 <jott> (i won't say that this is the cause of *your* problem, but it's entirely possible :)
Aug 01 21:18:17 <zap> definitely
Aug 01 21:18:29 <zap> but I could swear I've seen the ready .debs
Aug 01 21:19:29 <jott> yeah who knows what happens with them next ;)
Aug 01 21:19:52 <zap> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/zip3_3.0-1maemo1/
Aug 01 21:19:52 <GNUton> qwerty12_N800: what is the deb to download? :P
Aug 01 21:19:57 <zap> the logs says its allright
Aug 01 21:20:02 <zap> but there's no package in extras-devel
Aug 01 21:20:23 <qwerty12_N800> GNUton: Sorry, you are too young to download :p
Aug 01 21:20:57 <GNUton> qwerty12_N800: :(
Aug 01 21:21:12 <jott> zap: X-Fade is already out enjoying his earned weekend. So probably no fix until tomorrow...
Aug 01 21:21:36 <zap> isn't tomorrow a weekend as well?
Aug 01 21:22:29 <jott> yeah well, but x-fade is also around on weekends - flexible working hours, you know?
Aug 01 21:23:18 <zap> poor X-Fade
Aug 01 21:25:12 <camden> I'm having some trouble with maemo mapper: whenever I enter the program and enable gps, the unit reports "Searching for GPS receiver" and never even starts trying to get a fix. it was working this morning, and I can't think of anything I changed. any ideas?
Aug 01 21:26:07 <jott> camden: with a n810 or external gps?
Aug 01 21:26:18 <camden> sorry n810 diablo
Aug 01 21:26:26 <zap> camden: thats normal, you have to start the Mapper application first
Aug 01 21:26:33 <zap> get a fix in it, and then start Maemo Mapper
Aug 01 21:26:47 <zap> I mean, start the Nokia supplied Map application
Aug 01 21:26:49 <jott> hm i also get a fix without "map"...
Aug 01 21:26:57 <camden> it was working this morning without map
Aug 01 21:26:57 <zap> I often don't
Aug 01 21:27:03 <zap> yes, sometimes it works
Aug 01 21:27:09 <zap> but for me most of the time it doesn't
Aug 01 21:27:11 <irq> [when people talk about the diablo kernel with 'high speed' patch, what does 'high speed' mean? faster SD access?
Aug 01 21:27:18 <zap> yes
Aug 01 21:27:25 <zap> faster SD bus freq
Aug 01 21:27:27 <jott> camden: the n810sometimes .. well does not like gps ..
Aug 01 21:27:39 <camden> I mean, it's always worked without running map first, it may not have been able to find a fix, but it would find the reciever.
Aug 01 21:27:45 <camden> receiver, even
Aug 01 21:27:47 <irq> zap: why isn't the stock kernel like that?
Aug 01 21:27:57 <zap> irq: because thats non-standard, I believe
Aug 01 21:28:06 <jott> camden: maybe agps data is broken?
Aug 01 21:28:09 <irq> zap: against the SD spec?
Aug 01 21:28:10 <qwerty12_N800> it's unsupported by ti
Aug 01 21:28:20 <irq> ah
Aug 01 21:28:20 <zap> irq: I'm not sure, its just my guess
Aug 01 21:28:21 <jott> camden: and sometimes the n810 gps really does not like to get a fix...
Aug 01 21:28:26 <camden> jott: how could I check/repair
Aug 01 21:28:30 <irq> hello, qwerty12. i saw a patch with your name on it also. what does your patch do?
Aug 01 21:28:49 <camden> well bear in mind, it's not getting a fix that I'm having trouble with, it's finding the reciever itself.
Aug 01 21:28:50 <zap> camden: does the GPS icon appear for a short time, then disappear?
Aug 01 21:29:16 <jott> camden: have you tried to reboot? ;)
Aug 01 21:29:19 <camden> yeah kinda. says searching for gps reciever for a while, then the icon disappears and comes back
Aug 01 21:29:22 <camden> aye
Aug 01 21:29:28 <camden> several reboots
Aug 01 21:29:33 <zap> thats exactly my case
Aug 01 21:29:37 <zap> Map fixes it
Aug 01 21:29:47 <camden> map wasn't working either! I will try again tho
Aug 01 21:29:55 <jott> strange, never happened here. try zaps idea.
Aug 01 21:30:03 <qwerty12_N800> irq: hi. hmm, i don't really make patches. i sometimes "port" a few, or just apply other peoples patches into one kernel. are you talking about android patch?
Aug 01 21:31:43 <camden> do you have to have a data connection for gps do work?
Aug 01 21:32:35 <qwerty12_N800> arrgh, someone should point austin che to the old mce source so he shoves in alarm support into powerlaunch
Aug 01 21:33:02 <jott> camden: only for fetching data from the supl server for agps.
Aug 01 21:33:22 <camden> zap: well, I pulled up map and it was able to start trying to get a fix, but then when I closed map and went back to mapper I get the same problem
Aug 01 21:33:34 <camden> jott: and is agps the default mode?
Aug 01 21:34:29 <jott> camden: hm, good question. i think only after installing supld (or agps-ui).
Aug 01 21:34:53 <jott> but tbh, you problem does not really sound like agps..
Aug 01 21:35:31 <zap> camden: thats because you closed the Map application
Aug 01 21:35:41 <zap> camden: start maemo mapper *before* closing Map
Aug 01 21:35:52 <jott> zap: any idea why this is necessary?
Aug 01 21:35:55 <zap> wait a little, and only after close it, or you may leave both running
Aug 01 21:36:34 <camden> hmm
Aug 01 21:36:34 <zap> jott: no idea, but this trick saved my ass a lot of times
Aug 01 21:37:53 <camden> I will try that.
Aug 01 21:39:03 <camden> effing wierd.
Aug 01 21:39:11 <camden> zap's trick worked.
Aug 01 21:40:09 <zap> sum born gud, sum born evil, and sum born lucky
Aug 01 21:40:32 <camden> ok well with that apparently solved, I have a completely unrelated question: was it just me or is android still basically useless? I had no wifi action at all so I couldn't even use the maps or browser.
Aug 01 21:41:01 <jott> camden: the hacked android is ancient anyway.
Aug 01 21:41:02 <zap> if it would be useful, would Google give it away?
Aug 01 21:41:26 * jott never understood the big fuss about it :/
Aug 01 21:41:29 <qwerty12_N800> android on n8x0 sucks
Aug 01 21:42:04 <camden> qwerty12_N800: that was my experience, but I thought I read about others for whom wifi was working among other things
Aug 01 21:42:22 <jott> camden: you have to be connected before starting android
Aug 01 21:42:27 <zap> qwerty12_N800: the middle two words are excessive
Aug 01 21:42:40 <camden> oic
Aug 01 21:43:07 <camden> well, it'll be interesting to see how it looks in another six months.
Aug 01 21:43:34 <qwerty12_N800> camden: i'm the person who put the time into making it run on diablo and tbh after i got the kernel  working, i saw nothing great
Aug 01 21:44:14 <Blafasel> Okay, I'd like to do the most trivial and first step for mz garage contribution(s): I need a library in a newer version, it builds fine locally (well, with dpkg-buildpackge -d so far, I'd add a patch to fix the dependencies). Do I understand it correctly that I'd need to apply for an autobuilder account? Wiki, Uploading_to_Extras?
Aug 01 21:44:38 <zap> yep
Aug 01 21:45:03 <camden> qwerty12_N800: I saw that it was you who did that work.
Aug 01 21:45:21 <camden> thanks for that, btw
Aug 01 21:45:58 <Blafasel> zap: Thanks.
Aug 01 21:46:33 <qwerty12_N800> camden: hehe, real work was done by elinux + androidonn8x0 team. shame on them for tying the patch to chinook though...
Aug 01 21:47:17 <RST38bis> hehe, microb is dead again
Aug 01 21:47:36 <RST38bis> somehow this did not happen in chinook
Aug 01 21:47:40 <qwerty12_N800> browserd
Aug 01 21:47:43 <qwerty12_N800> pos
Aug 01 21:48:20 <RST38bis> yep
Aug 01 21:49:00 <RST38bis> every time it meets a piece of js, it goes into cardiac arrest
Aug 01 21:49:53 <qwerty12_N800> What pisses me off, is that it's pretty much pointless. for example, i still can't close the browser window and leave a download running. still, wget does a nice job...
Aug 01 21:50:26 <RST38bis> it is supposed to speed up browser startup
Aug 01 21:50:35 <RST38bis> does not for me
Aug 01 21:50:41 <qwerty12_N800> it sure as hell doesn't for me
Aug 01 21:51:43 <qwerty12_N800> i read it's for nokia to provide web related services outside of the browser. if that is true, i have yet to see an app from nokia that does that
Aug 01 21:51:54 <qwerty12_N800> icd2 + browserd both suck
Aug 01 21:53:07 <Blafasel> Is the browserd open source?
Aug 01 21:54:03 <qwerty12_N800> i'm 80% sure it's not
Aug 01 21:54:40 <qwerty12_N800> rule of thumb, if it's a big component and made by nokia, assume it's closed source
Aug 01 21:54:53 <RST38bis> whine about it to timeless
Aug 01 21:55:45 <Blafasel> qwerty12_N800: If you would attend the summit and would be in a legal drinking age that comment would've earned you a beer. ;)
Aug 01 21:56:20 <qwerty12_N800> Blafasel: haha, thanks anyway
Aug 01 21:57:01 <Blafasel> But - beer's an aquired taste afaik anyway, so start with it before you are allowed to drink it to like it. *hides*
Aug 01 21:57:50 <qwerty12_N800> haha, my parents would beat me
Aug 01 21:58:45 <Blafasel> Point them in my general direction and rely on the weight of germans reputation in the beer field.. Well, better don't.
Aug 01 22:01:31 <RST38bis> tell them that it is either a pub or a bordello - surely they will make the right choice!
Aug 01 22:01:56 <crashanddie__> qwerty12_N800, ordering pizza on the net... Orgasmic
Aug 01 22:03:14 <qwerty12_N800> crashanddie__: yum, been a long while since i had dominoes... although, pizza hut had a visit from me a few weeks ago :D
Aug 01 22:03:30 <crashanddie__> qwerty12_N800, was pHut...
Aug 01 22:03:46 <qwerty12_N800> cool
Aug 01 22:04:01 <Proteous> I don't realy call that stuff pizza
Aug 01 22:04:10 <crashanddie__> well
Aug 01 22:04:26 <crashanddie__> it's ingredients on a circle of dough
Aug 01 22:04:29 <RST38bis> it is no pizza
Aug 01 22:04:35 <qwerty12_N800> that video of the guy ordering pizza from the command line gets me laughing
Aug 01 22:04:51 <Proteous> not to say that it isn't good sometimes, I gust think it tarnishes thr pizza name
Aug 01 22:05:12 <crashanddie__> "Flat baked dough covered with a combination of meats, vegetables, cheese and tomato sauce." ""Open-faced pie made with yeast dough topped with savory toppings, originally from Naples."
Aug 01 22:05:20 <crashanddie__> I'm sorry, but that is exactly what I got
Aug 01 22:05:31 <crashanddie__> well, not from Naples, obviously
Aug 01 22:06:00 <Proteous> lol
Aug 01 22:06:53 <crashanddie__> anyway, bbl
Aug 01 22:07:17 <Proteous> I guess technicaly what they put on there is meat and veg, although you don't want to go lloking into what patr of the garden/cow it comes from
Aug 01 22:07:35 <Blafasel> qwerty12_N800: Mind to share the video or some good keywords for google_
Aug 01 22:08:05 <Proteous> typing fast on this n810 keyboard is a bit error prone with my fingers
Aug 01 22:08:05 <t_s_o> hmm, now i got reminded of a old disney comic where goofy ordered a pizza by fax...
Aug 01 22:08:06 <RST38bis> the words you all are looking for is a 'round piece of shit'
Aug 01 22:08:27 <t_s_o> the insane thing is that he actually got it, but with the wrong topping ;)
Aug 01 22:08:34 <Blafasel> RST38bis: With a cheesy crust!
Aug 01 22:08:49 <RST38bis> sometimes.
Aug 01 22:08:51 <qwerty12_N800> Blafasel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7pPajOvQGo
Aug 01 22:10:03 <qwerty12_N800> Not sure if it's the same vid, but the same program
Aug 01 22:10:51 <Proteous> I can order pizza from my hacked apple tv
Aug 01 22:11:30 <Blafasel> That's insane ;)
Aug 01 22:11:34 <qwerty12_N800> Haha, nice
Aug 01 22:11:55 <t_s_o> hmm, now to hack it to work with peppes here in norway ;)
Aug 01 22:14:20 <RST38bis> sleep time.
Aug 01 22:21:06 <t_s_o> hmm, sounds like an idea. i have the complete ringworld on audio now so maybe i should put my N800 to good use ;)
Aug 01 22:24:11 <Binky> Hiii!!
Aug 01 22:27:52 * Binky had a cold receivement.
Aug 01 22:30:18 <Blafasel> Just being curious here: The garage admins are community guys, right? Or Nokia staff?
Aug 01 22:32:29 * flo_lap is not working for Nokia and is admin if he uses the right mechine 
Aug 01 22:33:33 <Binky> I'd like someone to answer... Anyone uses minimo?
Aug 01 22:35:54 <johnx> Binky, not many I think. I don't
Aug 01 22:36:51 <Binky> johnx,  I'd want an alternative to opera, but microb sucks unless it's on os2008.
Aug 01 22:37:07 <johnx> minimo is much worse
Aug 01 22:37:24 <johnx> maybe look at webkit/midori...
Aug 01 22:37:43 <Binky> Don't know about it
Aug 01 22:37:55 <GNUton> night
Aug 01 22:38:14 <Binky> Can i find it with 'Webkit maemo' name?
Aug 01 22:40:09 <johnx> probably not
Aug 01 22:40:13 <johnx> search midori maemo
Aug 01 22:41:50 <Binky> johnx, thank you
Aug 01 22:42:28 <johnx> if you're on os2007 though, you might need to tweak the source code a little before it builds
Aug 01 22:43:31 <Binky> I'm on os2006 -_-U
Aug 01 22:44:02 <johnx> well, I wish you the best of luck then...
Aug 01 22:44:13 <johnx> but I think most development is centered around OS2008 these days
Aug 01 22:44:49 <Binky> Yup, but i hate HE and I have N800
Aug 01 22:46:56 <johnx> hmm, now I'm confused...You have a 770 and an N800 or what?
Aug 01 22:47:20 <qwerty12_N800> But face it, you aren't going to get the latest, best apps on OS2006.
Aug 01 22:50:58 <Binky> johnx, only 770
Aug 01 22:51:16 <johnx> aaah, you just said you have n800 :)
Aug 01 22:51:55 <Binky> qwerty12_N800, but i can get stability and speedness
Aug 01 22:52:24 <Binky> johnx, ooooohhh, sorry! my fault! lol
Aug 01 22:53:20 * qwerty12_N800 would lose some stability for newer apps. i guess it's easy for me to say that though
Aug 01 22:55:21 <Binky> qwerty12_N800, SOME stability. but have the device rebooting every hour is not that great
Aug 01 22:56:08 <qwerty12_N800> ouch. is it a common problem?
Aug 01 22:59:23 <Binky> qwerty12_N800, yess, but i'm going to run os2007he from mmc and see if i can handle it
Aug 01 22:59:29 <Binky> Bye
Aug 01 23:00:52 <qwerty12_N800> ~lart bzip2
Aug 01 23:00:52 * infobot takes a big bite out of bzip2's jugular vein
Aug 01 23:01:51 <Blafasel> qwerty12_N800: Why's that?
Aug 01 23:03:29 <qwerty12_N800> Taking ages to extract. Then again, it could be blamed on the tablet.
Aug 01 23:06:11 <Blafasel> Right. bzip is much more cpu bound from my experience, compared to zip stuff..
Aug 01 23:06:55 <Blafasel> But leads to better compression most of the time as well. On a tablet I'd probably sacrifice the space gain for faster decompression/compression.
Aug 01 23:08:31 <qwerty12_N800> Yeah. It's been running for 30 minutes now. Still, 400MB to go...
Aug 01 23:23:08 <nomis> is the source for the ilbc-plugin for gstreamer available?
Aug 01 23:25:04 <jga23> anybody got an example of how to use gstreamer with python?
Aug 01 23:25:14 <jga23> I've got it working on my desktop, but not on the tablet
Aug 01 23:30:23 <Blafasel> Who's Niels in here?
Aug 01 23:30:27 <brontide> Got it... took a little fighting but I was able to record a screencast.  Now I just have to see if I can clean it up http://www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/test.html
Aug 01 23:30:41 <brontide> Could be handy for Summit/Training stuff
Aug 01 23:30:49 <crashanddie__> Blafasel, that would be X-Fade
Aug 01 23:31:40 <Blafasel> brontide: Cool
Aug 01 23:32:10 <Blafasel> X-Fade: You're the guy sending out answers to the "I want upload access to extras" mails?
Aug 01 23:32:59 <jott> Blafasel: yes, he is (one of them?).
Aug 01 23:34:24 <Blafasel> jott: I just ask because niels@... was trying to send me a mail an hour ago and was stopped by my greylisting. Now I'm seeing no further tries. I wonder if this is a permanent problem now or if the retry timeout is just higher
Aug 01 23:57:03 <angel_> Hey, i am trying to find a link which could tell me how to flash my nokia n810 in R&D mode
Aug 01 23:57:08 <angel_> can anyone help?
Aug 01 23:57:21 <summatusmentis> what do you mean?
Aug 01 23:57:44 <summatusmentis> it's really straightforward. Have you ever flashed before?
Aug 01 23:57:48 <angel_> i need to flash my nokia n810.. i dont know how to do it
Aug 01 23:57:51 <angel_> ya once long back
Aug 01 23:57:56 <angel_> i need the R&D mode
Aug 01 23:58:07 <nomis> jga23: there is a python gstreamer example at http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_camera_api_bora.html , I'd guess that it does not have changed that much to Diablo.
Aug 01 23:58:42 <summatusmentis> angel_: it's part of flasher
Aug 01 23:59:02 <angel_> i downloaded the flasher
Aug 01 23:59:27 <angel_> i have the flasher 3.0
Aug 01 23:59:34 <jga23> nomis: do you know of an example for playing audio?
Aug 01 23:59:54 <qwerty12_N800> flasher-3.0 --help
Aug 01 23:59:57 <angel_> sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode -R
Aug 02 00:00:07 <angel_> is that wat i need to do?
Aug 02 00:00:33 <qwerty12_N800> yeah, should do it
Aug 02 00:00:35 <nomis> jga23: no, but you can probably follow the C-example for playing audio and translate it to python.
Aug 02 00:00:52 <angel_>   ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.51-3_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Aug 02 00:00:54 <angel_> then this?
Aug 02 00:01:31 <jga23> ahh, I figured it out, for some reason gstreamer isn't working with http:// addresses
Aug 02 00:01:44 <jga23> only file://
Aug 02 00:02:15 <nomis> jga23: what source-element did you use?
Aug 02 00:02:50 <jga23> its my local squeezecenter stream.mp3
Aug 02 00:03:10 <nomis> jga23: I mean the source-gstreamer-element
Aug 02 00:03:42 <jga23> oh, I just initialized gst with gst.parse_launch("playbin name=sink")
Aug 02 00:04:01 <jga23> and then set_property("uri", "http:....")
Aug 02 00:04:11 <jga23> it worked with file://, but not http://
Aug 02 00:05:25 <nomis> ah. Ok, no idea then.
Aug 02 00:08:51 <Blafasel> X-Fade was based in Europe as well, right? So I'll try to catch him tomorrow or something.
Aug 02 00:10:41 <qwerty12_N800> Yeah, The Netherlands afaik.
Aug 02 00:11:40 <Blafasel> Thanks
Aug 02 00:26:37 <pupnik> Context, a European business and consumer technology research firm has just reported that pre-installed Linux was sold on 2.8% of all PCs bought in the UK in June 2008. Doesn't sound like much? In January 2007, desktop Linux's marketshare was 0.1%.  http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_has_serious_plans_to_do_away_with_windows
Aug 02 00:50:27 <dick-richardson> is there a way to set a global proxy for all connections?
Aug 02 01:15:13 <irq> hey
Aug 02 01:15:33 <irq> where can i get xmodmap for my n810?
Aug 02 01:18:30 <irq> anyone?
Aug 02 01:23:03 <irq> plz? £:)
Aug 02 01:23:03 <trevor> how do you connect to a network share with the n810?
Aug 02 01:25:44 <irq> the os2007 xmodmap won't install on diablo
Aug 02 01:28:43 <irq> is anyone around that can help with xmodmap?
Aug 02 01:32:37 <dick-richardson> anyone know where I can set a proxy globally?
Aug 02 01:46:32 <irq> xmodmap is at http://mg.pov.lt/770/
Aug 02 02:11:47 <Silvermain> /links
Aug 02 02:16:14 <Silvermain> /part
Aug 02 02:45:46 <bef0rd> ;_;
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