**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 03 02:59:56 2008 Aug 03 04:03:36 hello, modest keeps crashing on me while it is running in the background. Any advice? Aug 03 04:03:51 *I'm on diablo Aug 03 04:03:59 I have some old chinook repos that I was using Aug 03 04:04:29 I think they are the source of the problem Aug 03 04:11:32 Do you have a backup you could restore from and get rid of the chinook repos? Aug 03 04:34:40 mouser-: no Aug 03 05:34:37 hi Aug 03 05:35:14 anyone here? Aug 03 05:35:28 yes? Aug 03 05:35:33 hey Aug 03 05:36:07 no Aug 03 05:36:13 rm_you: PackRat is down again Aug 03 05:36:15 do you (or anyone else) know of anything i can plug in to my n8x0 to turn it into a rf spectrum analyzer Aug 03 05:36:22 rm_you: looks like crawler has got some problems Aug 03 05:36:26 RST38h: wtf... my cron job must be breaking it Aug 03 05:36:40 Luria: You can plug a spectrum analyzer into your n8x0 Aug 03 05:36:41 i hadnt thought about it but a comms tech friend of mine asked about it Aug 03 05:36:57 Aside from that, no. Aug 03 05:37:36 RST38h: hrm.... crawler appears to work when i run it... Aug 03 05:37:45 RST38h: does cron run as a different user? Aug 03 05:37:50 could be permissions Aug 03 05:37:54 rm_you: probabl Aug 03 05:37:58 i'll set up the crontab to log Aug 03 05:38:03 was thinking along the carman - sensor plus n8x0 as display - approach Aug 03 05:38:11 rm_you: the thing is, it looks like crawler clears the database tables but never fills them Aug 03 05:38:16 right Aug 03 05:38:27 Luria: Yes, but that sensor is going to contain the whole spectrum analyzer Aug 03 05:38:46 sure Aug 03 05:39:05 im sure the it would suck at the math Aug 03 05:39:43 essentially, then, i guess im looking for a armel linux friendly usb spec analyzer Aug 03 05:40:21 its a pretty specific question, so i thought id start here, esp. if anyone's ever tried such a thing Aug 03 05:41:18 I'm not aware that anyone in the community has tried such a thing. Aug 03 05:42:07 I'd think you could find stuff fairly cheap to at least do the wifi spectrum... not sure how useful that would be for what you have in mind. Aug 03 05:42:56 well, for his purposes, he was looking at 2.4ghz interference with wireless mics in a broadcast studio Aug 03 05:43:02 in fact Aug 03 05:43:20 google tells me this is pretty interesting http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5193 Aug 03 05:44:02 as a ham, i was thinking much more broadband, but a start is a start Aug 03 05:44:23 Well, my company builds multi-million dollar RF collection and analysis systems. Aug 03 05:45:03 RST38h: k well, fixed for now... need to figure out what is going on Aug 03 05:45:04 out of my budget :-) Aug 03 05:45:09 I don't think the N810 will ever get that broadband... Aug 03 05:45:33 derf: He just wants access to the sampling buffer via USB Aug 03 05:45:35 ...though for a few hundred bucks I think you can get a 500 MHz A/D the size of a postage stamp these days. Aug 03 05:45:53 exactly Aug 03 05:46:36 Never mind that the N810 couldn't actually process that much data in real time. Aug 03 05:46:49 was wondering if there is a cheapish usb dongle option out there that will communicate in some sort of format that i can parse Aug 03 05:46:56 Oh yess: http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/u/sunlightphoto/mashinka1.JPG (check out the tag) Aug 03 05:47:09 derf: does not have to Aug 03 05:47:24 derf: just has to present the data to the user and this does not happen too often Aug 03 05:48:01 nice paint job Aug 03 05:48:38 and from another viewpoint: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v192/privratnik/?action=view¤t=VOLVOinMoscow_2.jpg Aug 03 05:49:18 from that 1st pic, the tones reminded me of the mystic paint mustang Aug 03 05:54:00 now that i think about it, it would have been fun to have the wispy setup for DEFCON Aug 03 05:55:00 Boost for Maemo? Aug 03 05:55:30 It's not in any of the repositories and I can't find it by searching maemo.org. Aug 03 05:56:23 RST38h: ohsit Aug 03 05:56:28 *ohshit Aug 03 05:56:36 DBD::mysql::db do failed: MySQL server has gone away at ./Crawler.pl line 187. Aug 03 05:59:11 wow Aug 03 05:59:17 this many people here? :) Aug 03 05:59:25 is anybody actually around? Aug 03 05:59:30 no Aug 03 05:59:31 nah Aug 03 05:59:34 hah Aug 03 05:59:34 totally not Aug 03 05:59:40 nope Aug 03 05:59:45 anybody have any place where i can learn how to cross compile for the n800 Aug 03 05:59:52 ~sdk Aug 03 05:59:53 Software Development Kit Aug 03 05:59:56 ~scratchbox Aug 03 05:59:57 from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ Aug 03 06:00:10 i looked at that but it requires an i386 based box Aug 03 06:00:22 Macer, so what are you on? Aug 03 06:00:23 it should include a guide to the maemo SDK link Aug 03 06:00:46 i tried the scripts.. kept telling me that it won't work unless it's on an i386 Aug 03 06:01:05 Macer, what machine are you on? PPC? x86_64? Aug 03 06:01:07 i have an amd64 gentoo box Aug 03 06:01:14 a macbook.. and my n800 Aug 03 06:01:31 i was trying to install gcc in diablo or some type of dev stuff but no luck Aug 03 06:01:32 and do you use gentoo x86_64 or gentoo i386? Aug 03 06:01:40 x86_64 ;) Aug 03 06:01:45 it has 8G in it Aug 03 06:01:59 needed the 64bit stuff Aug 03 06:02:05 of course Aug 03 06:02:10 an i386 chroot and removal of the check in the script should work fine for you Aug 03 06:02:39 hm.. does this require a linux box or can i use fbsd for it? Aug 03 06:02:54 i have an i386 fbsd box Aug 03 06:02:58 infobot, maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/ Aug 03 06:02:59 johnx: okay Aug 03 06:03:20 I think that way it uses binfmt-misc is pretty linux specific Aug 03 06:03:54 i already went there johnx .. tried to install on my n800 and my amd64 gentoo box Aug 03 06:03:59 requires an i386 based install Aug 03 06:04:10 is itt down? Aug 03 06:04:14 i might just go ahead and make an i386 debian box Aug 03 06:04:20 or slow? Aug 03 06:04:27 i386 chroot and a quick hack to the install script really should work Aug 03 06:04:39 think it's down Aug 03 06:04:40 I used a 64bit kernel and a 32bit chroot, so I don't see the difference... Aug 03 06:04:53 do i just copy the libs? Aug 03 06:04:56 s/chroot/linux install/g Aug 03 06:04:56 johnx meant: I used a 64bit kernel and a 32bit linux install, so I don't see the difference... Aug 03 06:05:09 copy what libs to where? Aug 03 06:05:16 to the chroot Aug 03 06:05:26 i'd probably have to rebuild everything for that Aug 03 06:05:36 a 32bit chroot, as in, install gentoo 32bit or debian 32bit or whatever into a chroot Aug 03 06:05:47 haha Aug 03 06:06:02 there's a painless debian/ubuntu tool for doing that but I have no idea about how to do it in gentoo Aug 03 06:06:02 installing debian in a vm would take 1/4th the time ;) Aug 03 06:06:22 yeah.. gentoo is a bitch sometimes Aug 03 06:06:23 but wouldn't get you native speeds :shrug: Aug 03 06:06:33 that's fine.. it's a dual dual core w/8G Aug 03 06:06:47 :) i'm patient for developing maemo apps Aug 03 06:06:50 if you're going down the vm route there's a prepared one Aug 03 06:07:00 wow serious? Aug 03 06:07:08 and yes.. itt is down Aug 03 06:07:24 what i would give for a gentoo install for armel Aug 03 06:07:30 with a portage tree Aug 03 06:07:34 Macer, ahaha...so make one Aug 03 06:07:43 i was honestly thnking about it Aug 03 06:07:44 there's plenty of info available Aug 03 06:07:55 would this be to run in qemu or on the device itself? Aug 03 06:07:58 since it builds Aug 03 06:08:09 .... might be kinda slow huh? :) Aug 03 06:08:12 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ if you end up on the vm route Aug 03 06:08:13 is the vm updated with a diablo sdk? Aug 03 06:08:20 bef0rd, good question Aug 03 06:08:22 * johnx looks Aug 03 06:09:47 wow.. that's awesome johnx Aug 03 06:09:57 I think it's aimed at chinook still :/ Aug 03 06:10:08 you'd have to upgrade the sdk after you opened it... Aug 03 06:10:25 heh Aug 03 06:10:45 anybody here running kde on it? Aug 03 06:11:11 someone asked that the other day I think Aug 03 06:11:13 i booted from the internal SD (8G) and installed kde on it... which is great because now i can use koffice and print from my n800 Aug 03 06:11:25 but seriously, the only thing you have to do on it is compile things Aug 03 06:11:28 (as well as konqueror which is horrible) Aug 03 06:11:31 the rest of the dev work can be on the host Aug 03 06:11:34 that is a noteworthy feature Aug 03 06:11:39 aaah...kde on their tablet Aug 03 06:11:41 I see Aug 03 06:11:51 yeah.. for using it as a wannabe laptop w/printing Aug 03 06:11:58 i was able to print from it to my networked laser printer Aug 03 06:12:09 i want to ditch my laptop and use my n800/su8w for school Aug 03 06:12:14 I have debian on mine, in fact I should start digging back into making sound work again... Aug 03 06:12:36 only thing that is messed up is kopete doesn't have ssl support Aug 03 06:13:05 i guess they couldn't figure out how to build the qca tls qt stuff Aug 03 06:14:33 which is all i really want to do Aug 03 06:14:59 although i want to build my own kde with more of a bare install and host debs for kde apps Aug 03 06:15:22 the 2G kde that they have out is rather overdone :) lots of redundant apps Aug 03 06:15:41 so, are you thinking of being in kde full-time? or switching back and forth? Aug 03 06:15:45 i don't see why a kde install would have vsirc and kopete Aug 03 06:16:08 i wouldn't mind going full time kde if there were a better browser Aug 03 06:16:31 and a build of kopete or pidgin that supported ssl with google talk Aug 03 06:16:36 always the stumbling block... Aug 03 06:16:43 i'd perfer kopete ;) Aug 03 06:16:56 kopete has a nicer interface Aug 03 06:17:37 all comes down to opinion :) Aug 03 06:18:07 yeah i suppose.... kde has its flaws on an n800.. mostly screen size/res problems with certain windows.. although alt+drag helps Aug 03 06:18:27 but kde gives it a lot more functionality as an office device Aug 03 06:18:55 i'd love to see video codecs for the camera too... like maybe something that would support aim video Aug 03 06:19:10 what linux app does aim video? Aug 03 06:19:17 none Aug 03 06:19:18 ;) Aug 03 06:19:19 cause access to the camera is just standard v4l2 Aug 03 06:19:33 gizmo is the only app i've seen on the n800 that works for video Aug 03 06:20:19 gizmo doesn't seem to work over cingular 3G ...i don't know if it's a problem with the protocol they use or with att Aug 03 06:20:19 yea and gaim-vv seems to be dead since a couple years ago Aug 03 06:20:22 I've heard about amsn as well Aug 03 06:20:39 well att wishes that voip didn't exist :) Aug 03 06:20:48 that might have something to do with it too... Aug 03 06:20:50 i dunno about that Aug 03 06:21:01 fring + skype works on my n95 Aug 03 06:21:12 when i tether the n800 it doesn't seem to work for gizmo. but skype still works Aug 03 06:21:27 skype works for audio i should say.. gizmo won't connect at all.. i think it's a sip thing Aug 03 06:21:37 hmm Aug 03 06:21:49 no video support on n800 for skype :) kinda sucks Aug 03 06:21:51 I believe skype uses some procedures to disguise traffic as HTTP Aug 03 06:22:06 yeah.. that's what i heard.. att probably blocks sip traffic Aug 03 06:22:08 Macer, we know. Skype doesn't love us enough :) Aug 03 06:22:25 those bastards :) Aug 03 06:22:56 gizmo video works pretty well over wifi though.... unfortunately.. there are situations where i require video calling over the 3G connection (that doesn't work) Aug 03 06:23:30 but kde on n800 is awesome.. i was actually suprised at how well it worked Aug 03 06:23:38 I think Linux Skype doesnt support video either Aug 03 06:23:40 i think i'm going to try to find a ff armel build Aug 03 06:23:46 no. it doesn't ;) Aug 03 06:23:48 desktop linux I mean Aug 03 06:23:58 at least not one that i've seen Aug 03 06:24:05 although i don't usually use skype on my linux box Aug 03 06:24:48 wow the n800 would be awesome if skype supported video ;) Aug 03 06:25:40 yeah...the skype guys really need to get their act together :/ Aug 03 06:25:43 ah well.. sorry i'm so blahblah. been drinking bacardi and i'm a little talkative Aug 03 06:25:47 we should harass them as the ubuntu users did with foxconn Aug 03 06:25:51 no problems Aug 03 06:25:51 :P Aug 03 06:26:01 heh... but i'm blad there's a maemo # Aug 03 06:26:02 it's quiet here anyways Aug 03 06:26:05 with actual people here Aug 03 06:26:16 nobody understands my obsession haha Aug 03 06:26:28 i am going to get an n810 just for the qewrty Aug 03 06:26:30 qwerty Aug 03 06:26:38 Macer, i just did that Aug 03 06:26:50 got the n810 for the qwerty? Aug 03 06:26:57 i'm so sick of pecking at this thing :) Aug 03 06:27:00 yeah Aug 03 06:27:13 lost my foldable kybd and bt gps Aug 03 06:27:27 i have an su8w Aug 03 06:27:35 it's great but it's kinda irritating to use sometimes Aug 03 06:27:46 and i was able to buy a n810 on CL for $250 Aug 03 06:27:56 wow really? Aug 03 06:28:00 that's not bad at all Aug 03 06:28:07 with 4gb sdhc too Aug 03 06:28:20 I need a foldable kb too Aug 03 06:28:39 so, i figured an extra $150 for a new it was better than replacing Aug 03 06:28:53 yeah Aug 03 06:29:04 i'm sure the n810s qwerty is awesome Aug 03 06:29:05 actually i like n810+occasional BT apple kybd use Aug 03 06:29:23 it's nice when you're doing a lot of typing Aug 03 06:29:25 its not foldable, but it fits in a knapsack Aug 03 06:29:36 but sucks when you are just typing for a few secs Aug 03 06:29:45 and keep turning it off and on and off and on Aug 03 06:30:09 which is why the n810 kybd is good Aug 03 06:30:33 also, the screen was a big improvement Aug 03 06:30:53 doesn't it have the same screen as an n800? Aug 03 06:31:01 same res and size Aug 03 06:31:11 transflective Aug 03 06:31:35 i bought a cover for my n800 for that Aug 03 06:31:36 ;) Aug 03 06:31:44 not the same Aug 03 06:32:08 i guess not heh Aug 03 06:32:18 you can read the screen without the led backlight Aug 03 06:32:26 helps the battery life too Aug 03 06:32:45 cause i find you can use lower brightness settings Aug 03 06:32:59 hm... going for $350 new Aug 03 06:33:03 i think i'll buy one this week Aug 03 06:33:11 wonder what i should do with my n800 :) Aug 03 06:33:18 gimme Aug 03 06:33:35 how difficult is it to type on the qwerty Aug 03 06:33:50 not great, not bad. needs more key travel. Aug 03 06:33:58 hm Aug 03 06:34:09 i just hope it's not frustrating to use Aug 03 06:34:17 does it still have an onscreen when it's not flipped open? Aug 03 06:34:23 i've only had it a few days, so i need to acclimate Aug 03 06:34:25 yes Aug 03 06:34:39 and when you slide it out the onscreen goes away i'm guessing? Aug 03 06:34:50 this has got to be a stupid question: how do I determine which OS version I'm running? Aug 03 06:34:55 no d pad on the front :) Aug 03 06:35:19 aspect, settings -> control panel -> about Aug 03 06:35:22 i wish the d pad was a little better built.. it's rather small and playing the neogeo emulator is kinda a pain Aug 03 06:35:44 ok. it was nice talking to all of you... i'm going to sleep Aug 03 06:35:47 take care Aug 03 06:35:51 I really have no idea why nokia has so many problems making a decent d-pad Aug 03 06:36:05 'night Macer :) Aug 03 06:36:44 yea, i've had a lot of fun with iNes but my hand hurts after a while :P Aug 03 06:36:54 johnx: thanks. Can you also explain to me the relation between OS2008 and Chinook/Diablo? Aug 03 06:37:12 Chinook and Diablo are both "OS2008" Aug 03 06:37:14 i wish there were a mini d-pad on the front of the n810 Aug 03 06:37:29 chinook was earlier in the year, and diablo is the current release Aug 03 06:37:47 software compatibility between them is very high Aug 03 06:38:03 note the incremental letter change Aug 03 06:38:36 so they use different repositories? Aug 03 06:38:50 yes Aug 03 06:38:57 they should, but many chinook things will run on diablo Aug 03 06:39:02 fwiw Aug 03 06:39:14 yes, but you can often use packages from chinook repositories without anything bad happening Aug 03 06:40:02 great. is there somewhere I can see a list of repositories? browsing around maemo.org doesn't seem to enlighten me -- maybe I'm missing something obvious Aug 03 06:40:55 aspect, http://ageofikon.info/packrat/ and http://gronmayer.com/it Aug 03 06:41:26 thanks Aug 03 06:41:43 gronmeyer ftw. it will even package an install file with your repo selections Aug 03 06:42:13 which touches on a rant of mine - why does the package manager still suck (slowly) Aug 03 06:42:58 ah, the second link even differentiates between chinook and diablo! Aug 03 06:43:11 yes Aug 03 06:43:12 Luria, because the people smart enough to fix it just use apt-get Aug 03 06:43:30 yeah, yeah Aug 03 06:43:42 wasnt there an aptitude port Aug 03 06:43:54 thanks a lot -- I feel I've got a much better idea of what the hell's going on now :-) Aug 03 06:44:09 (please dont tell me about apt-cache search, i know how to use debian) Aug 03 06:44:36 Luria, I was thinking of trying a compile of gdebi at least Aug 03 06:44:46 that might help a lot of use cases... Aug 03 06:45:48 maybe, but aptitude is supposed to be used for everything now b/c of dependancy checking Aug 03 06:46:12 but gdebi is so nice and graphical... Aug 03 06:46:27 ah, you mean gdebi depends on aptitude? Aug 03 06:46:31 truth be told, most of my aptitude use is command line only Aug 03 06:46:42 no, i mean... (finding link) Aug 03 06:46:55 I was mainly thinking that gdebi would be helpful for mid-experienced users Aug 03 06:47:08 still uncomfortable with the command line, but not afraid to take some risks Aug 03 06:47:59 which is why they should just fix the gui package mgr :-) Aug 03 06:48:41 but gdebi does dependency fetching of packages that aren't part of a repo Aug 03 06:48:45 that's the major benefit Aug 03 06:48:49 http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/aptitude Aug 03 06:49:08 it was the auto remove of unused libs Aug 03 06:49:18 with aptitude Aug 03 06:50:22 I think they bumped the apt version from chinook->diablo Aug 03 06:50:27 so aptitude should be a lot easier Aug 03 06:50:48 i just checked on my diablo n810 Aug 03 06:51:04 apt-get doesnt list auto remove Aug 03 06:51:09 i still think it's so cool that n810 dosbox supports joysticks... http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg Aug 03 06:51:13 ty Kegetys Aug 03 06:51:34 wow pupnik...just wow Aug 03 06:51:52 i didn't know it worked :) Aug 03 06:52:20 pupnik: that's a c64 in the background! Aug 03 06:52:51 someone in manhattan has to sell female-female usb a adapters, dammit Aug 03 06:53:07 i had to search a while to find one online Aug 03 06:53:26 I made it myself lol Aug 03 06:53:27 i can find it online no problem, Aug 03 06:53:32 it looks horrible, but works Aug 03 06:53:35 but i'd like it before defcon Aug 03 06:53:45 and i fly on the 7th Aug 03 06:54:13 sacrifice two usb cables then Aug 03 06:54:20 on the n810, thats all i need, right? Aug 03 06:54:42 i've used one to talk to a usb wifi stick Aug 03 06:54:57 never tried joysticks Aug 03 06:57:33 arg another question: from the "About product" screen (or elsewhere), how do I tell apart Chinook and Diablo? Aug 03 06:58:50 what does it say under version? Aug 03 06:59:26 4.2008.23-14 Aug 03 06:59:39 I guess that's Diablo, going by advice from Boingo via google :) Aug 03 06:59:45 diablo it is Aug 03 07:00:59 I guess that's good :-). Pity it was so obscure for me to discover, but I feel a bit more oriented now. Thanks again. Aug 03 07:01:56 also, you can check from the command line Aug 03 07:01:59 uname -a Aug 03 07:07:57 again, only if you know 23-14 means diablo Aug 03 07:09:15 look at the date tho Aug 03 07:09:21 june 08 Aug 03 07:09:57 ah yes. that's easier to infer Aug 03 07:10:21 I feel rather silly for not looking at uname first :P .. cheers Aug 03 07:10:35 sometimes the cli is easier than the gui :-) Aug 03 07:10:35 Hello Aug 03 07:11:08 though uname isn't always a silver bullet...the kernel stayed the same between 50-2 and 51-3 Aug 03 07:11:28 can anyone recommend a usb rj-45 adapter for the n810 Aug 03 07:11:43 i know one chipset is in kernel Aug 03 07:12:12 would like to do the least amount of work, tho promisc mode is a necessity Aug 03 07:12:17 johnx: I guess my real question is then, where do these numbers come from? Aug 03 07:12:30 23 is the week number of the year Aug 03 07:12:35 23rd week Aug 03 07:12:36 unsigned integers Aug 03 07:13:02 but it's not quite the date it was released to the public, so much as the "final internal build" I think Aug 03 07:14:28 I think I know enough -- any more will just confuse/frustrate me further :-) Aug 03 07:20:06 no one can recommend a usb-rj-45 dongle? Aug 03 07:31:03 Luria: You mean a network adapter? Aug 03 07:31:55 yeah, i see the usb100m is good Aug 03 07:32:07 finally found the howto Aug 03 07:32:18 Luria: google for n810 network adapter. Aug 03 07:33:01 yeah, i found it. linksys usb100m. Aug 03 07:45:08 innteresting Aug 03 07:45:32 are there any firewalls for maemo? Aug 03 07:45:57 Luria, iptables Aug 03 07:46:04 or do you mean a frontend? Aug 03 07:46:09 no pf, huh. Aug 03 07:46:28 frontend would be nice, but i can actually get away with 1194 only Aug 03 07:46:36 udp at that Aug 03 07:46:45 plus dns Aug 03 07:46:53 if it runs on desktop linux it would be easy to compile... Aug 03 07:47:02 so its not a complicated set Aug 03 07:47:49 was hoping for a repo, just cause it makes maintaining things easier Aug 03 07:48:01 what are you looking for? pf? Aug 03 07:48:28 pf, ipfw Aug 03 07:48:34 err Aug 03 07:48:40 uhm, isn't pf bsd? Aug 03 07:48:52 yeah, but its ported everywhere Aug 03 07:49:17 I don't think many people even run firewalls on their tablets Aug 03 07:49:34 kind of a niche market given that there are no ports open by default... Aug 03 07:49:37 its kinda an issue for me this week Aug 03 07:52:15 id rather not get pwned at defcon Aug 03 07:52:22 ahaha Aug 03 07:52:32 I was actually just thinking that Aug 03 07:52:36 now you see Aug 03 07:52:54 "There's like *one* situation in all the world where you'd need a firewall on a tablet..." Aug 03 07:53:01 plus i do have sshd, but thats easily fixed Aug 03 07:53:09 bet you thought i was nuts Aug 03 07:53:29 nah, I thought you were just overly paranoid or possibly confused about the use of firewalls Aug 03 07:53:59 still, can't you turn off the services while at defcon? Aug 03 07:54:15 uh, when i specified dns and 1194/udp only, i can understand paranoid, but not understanding firewalls? Aug 03 07:54:40 eh, I'm too used to answering questions on iTT... Aug 03 07:54:46 remember, this is a place where machines were rooted via wifi drivers Aug 03 07:54:59 "I need a firewall so if someone gives me the viruses they can't steal my credit cardz" Aug 03 07:55:05 heh Aug 03 07:55:12 there was somebody here saying that if you were going to defcon and wanted to talk with nokia/maemo security guys talk to him Aug 03 07:55:38 damn, ive been asking. any chance you remember who? Aug 03 07:56:09 let me check irc logs Aug 03 07:56:23 i taught someone wep cracking and explained arp poisioning tonight. she was shocked... but grasped quite a bit for not being a real computer user. Aug 03 07:56:44 also showed why vpns on the go are handy... Aug 03 07:57:06 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=defcon Aug 03 07:57:17 avs Aug 03 07:57:33 yeah, cool, thanks Aug 03 07:58:11 looks like there's some iptables modules from a totally unknown source here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20866 Aug 03 07:58:16 :D Aug 03 07:58:26 uh huh :-) Aug 03 07:59:28 aw christ, i may actually have to use my scratchbox debian machine Aug 03 07:59:34 havent touched it since 07 Aug 03 07:59:34 heh Aug 03 07:59:41 should be pretty straightforward Aug 03 07:59:57 did hello world, was glad it worked, and then left the machine humming Aug 03 08:00:26 i think its in an unitentional competition with my openbsd box Aug 03 08:00:46 to see which machine can attract the least use? Aug 03 08:00:50 yup Aug 03 08:00:58 and longest uptime Aug 03 08:01:09 heh...I had a samba server that kinda won that one a long time ago Aug 03 08:01:19 they idle really reliably Aug 03 08:01:32 they serve files really reliably given a simple setup Aug 03 08:01:40 true Aug 03 08:01:57 so reliably that after you leave the people who still use it tend to forget where it was physically located Aug 03 08:02:12 i read bash.org too :-) Aug 03 08:02:19 hmm? Aug 03 08:02:23 ive thought of moving my vpn from my wrt54gs to the bsd machine a number of times Aug 03 08:02:25 oh Aug 03 08:03:08 * johnx holds up his hand Aug 03 08:03:11 scouts honor Aug 03 08:03:11 bash.org/?5273 Aug 03 08:03:16 actually happened to me though Aug 03 08:03:45 http://josh.st/blog/2005/11/02/literally-lost Aug 03 08:03:48 it wasn't at someone's house though, it was at my old high school's campus Aug 03 08:03:54 this isnt you, huh Aug 03 08:04:02 nope Aug 03 08:04:18 haha /me reads bash.org too Aug 03 08:04:51 sigh, mac authentication. i mean, really? Aug 03 08:05:15 I set up a dead simple samba server for the year book class at my old high school. I graduated. They emailed me like 2 years later. "So, uhm the old server, where exactly was it?" Aug 03 08:06:07 heh, part of my intro to wep was my explaining that 1)blank ssids, 2)mac whitelisting and 3)turning off dhcp are useless Aug 03 08:06:30 how much did you charge them to answer :-) Aug 03 08:06:56 not useless, it just means that whoever hacks you knows a little bit about what they're doing. You wouldn't want someone to do a half-assed job hacking you. :) Think of it as an entrance exam Aug 03 08:07:42 I was on vacation, checked my mail when I got back and they had already sent a "nevermind, found it" message Aug 03 08:08:08 i suppose, though i know a network guy who was leeching, and told me his neighbor turned off dhcp... he was proud that he remembered the dhcp settings... Aug 03 08:08:20 i was laughing at him, a bit Aug 03 08:09:36 speaking of trivial hacks... i was looking at local APs today Aug 03 08:10:21 and i cracked one, and noticed the ssid was two hex pairs from the middle of the mac Aug 03 08:10:58 then i noticed the wep key was the MAC, with the last pair -2, plus 14 zeros appended Aug 03 08:11:26 wow Aug 03 08:11:31 that's pretty bad Aug 03 08:11:32 wait Aug 03 08:11:37 it gets much better Aug 03 08:11:41 heh Aug 03 08:11:50 i then connected to another smc router, with the same mac/ssid scheme Aug 03 08:12:12 and guessed the wep based on this "algorithm" Aug 03 08:12:18 lo and behold Aug 03 08:12:52 so, when i was giving my wep explaination, i said, lets crack yours (she lives across the street) Aug 03 08:13:01 so i asked, whats your ssid Aug 03 08:13:23 she said, i dont remember, but it's four letters or numbers Aug 03 08:13:40 i said, let me guess, you have to type in 14 zeros... Aug 03 08:13:47 her jaw dropped Aug 03 08:14:04 apparently, time warner has done this all over nyc Aug 03 08:14:13 oh wow Aug 03 08:14:45 it's one thing if it's a small number of routers, because all it takes is a slight variation to at least force someone to crack the key Aug 03 08:14:53 if you see an smc id and a 4 char ssid, its guaranteed to work Aug 03 08:15:08 cause clearly, they never touched the config page Aug 03 08:15:37 time warner has got to be at least %40 of the nyc broadband market Aug 03 08:16:21 i guess they did it for the l1 techs who are walking people through connecting laptops Aug 03 08:17:00 and it would be fine if it were like 100 routers in the whole city...but once you hit a certain threshold... Aug 03 08:18:18 they should xor it with their phone number or something Aug 03 08:19:21 yeah, I can just imagine the L1 techs, "And uhm, now write out your phone number LSB first..." Aug 03 08:19:52 the tech will have the subscriber number Aug 03 08:20:03 nah, that'd be cheating Aug 03 08:20:08 they can do the math on the custserv side Aug 03 08:20:24 if they can't teach customers to XOR they shouldn't be working in tech Aug 03 08:21:29 i promised to help her with her network, but i think ive worked on one of these modem+router POSes before Aug 03 08:21:48 you cant do anything Aug 03 08:22:17 if you are lucky, you can turn it into a bridge and then build/buy a real ap and router Aug 03 08:23:01 * Luria loves confusing the l1 techs when they ask which OS he runs Aug 03 08:23:42 it also usually gets you bumped up :-) Aug 03 08:29:57 you know, i bet the admin pass is also mac based Aug 03 08:30:12 * Luria makes mental notes Aug 03 08:47:54 damn i got this problem Aug 03 08:47:54 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22313 Aug 03 08:48:01 someone can help me please? Aug 03 08:53:21 good question ITalodance Aug 03 08:54:40 "change the Catalogue Distribution from blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0" ... whatever that means Aug 03 08:56:53 Hmm, does anyone know of any distros that carry UT99 (Unreal Tournament 1)? The source from OpenUT is a little odd. Aug 03 08:58:45 try gentoo Aug 03 09:02:02 hi Aug 03 09:02:40 my device only recognises 6 partitions on my mmc card - known problem? Aug 03 09:05:47 * qwerty12 is feeling in classic mode. I'll probably dig out the ut99 cd's later. Be nice if the OpenUT code compiled in sbox... Aug 03 09:06:52 lbt: I'm pretty sure bootmenu is limited to 4 based on my observations when initfs modding Aug 03 09:10:33 4 partitions? Aug 03 09:10:50 can the device only boot from primary partitions? Aug 03 09:11:09 There are only device nodes for 4 partitions in /dev. Infact by default, it's only 2 partitions, fanoush adds the other 2 Aug 03 09:11:17 */mnt/initfs/dev Aug 03 09:11:45 ah, I was looking at /proc/partitions Aug 03 09:11:51 which may explain things :) Aug 03 09:11:58 I shall check /dev too Aug 03 09:12:01 mknod is OK Aug 03 09:12:19 but, even in /proc/partitions the kernel only sees 7 Aug 03 09:12:26 on my desktop there are 9 Aug 03 09:12:58 (data, spare, extended, everyday, debian, tst1, t2,t3, t4) Aug 03 09:19:10 ~lart cal-tool for making me chroot Aug 03 09:19:10 * infobot pries cal-tool's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to cal-tool for making me chroot Aug 03 09:22:46 wow you guys are nuts with the partitions Aug 03 09:26:56 Not really: I want to have multiple clean environments to test package installations. Aug 03 09:29:52 it is a problem though. The 2nd mmc looks like it starts at major/minor 254/8 Aug 03 09:29:58 bleh Aug 03 09:33:13 pupnik Aug 03 09:33:13 blank to 4.1 and chinook to 4.0? which one? Aug 03 09:33:13 i did it but nothing Aug 03 09:33:43 ITalodance: i don't understand it sorry Aug 03 09:33:59 ffs, openlierox isn't showing in my application manager despite me having the diablo extras-devel there. shitty application manager. Aug 03 09:34:30 I don't understand why, but i'm sooo tempted to buy gizmo out credit even though i have a cellphone Aug 03 09:35:18 pupnik my Catalog can't find maemo extras Aug 03 09:35:46 you people fix the problems with diablo, and i'll upgrade when most IT users are running it Aug 03 09:36:04 There was me thinking they were... Aug 03 09:53:07 juergbi: Will you be at the maemo summit in Berlin? Aug 03 09:54:23 blafasel: no, i won't be there Aug 03 09:55:58 stupid light sensor <_< Aug 03 09:56:37 pupnik: yeah, i thought like 99% of us devs were using diablo now... Aug 03 09:57:18 hrm well, sleep time.... Aug 03 09:57:30 * rm_you hopes he doesnt have a wicked hangover in the morning Aug 03 09:58:56 anyone with an N800/N810 from Europe? or anywhere else outside the US Aug 03 10:00:17 sure. Aug 03 10:01:19 I'm wondering about the power supply/adapter which originally comes for a US plug Aug 03 10:02:13 liri: what do you want to know? Aug 03 10:02:24 "originally"? It comes in different versions. Aug 03 10:02:25 On my N800 at least, it uses the nokia standard port for charging, if you get the wrong one, you could easily buy a new one from a local phone shop. Aug 03 10:02:34 * aquatix got a US n810 and has bought a dutch plug for it Aug 03 10:02:47 yeah, nokia n-series plug Aug 03 10:02:58 not the older, bigger one Aug 03 10:03:23 I got a normal norwegian one. Aug 03 10:03:28 The older ones were much better than the n-series ones. Aug 03 10:04:04 My older ones still work, I've broken both my thin ones. My N800 is only surviving because my sister let me use her charger. Aug 03 10:04:26 qwerty12: :) Aug 03 10:04:33 how did you break them? Aug 03 10:04:44 qwerty12: there are cheap 3rd party chargers Aug 03 10:05:10 yeah, i'm curious Aug 03 10:05:16 i've mine in my backpack Aug 03 10:05:19 and it's still fine Aug 03 10:05:20 bef0rd: They break after a while, they are pretty weak. I broke one by dropping my N800 onto the carpeted floor :rolleyes: Aug 03 10:05:24 *knocks on wood* Aug 03 10:05:37 yeah, that you shouldn't do ;) Aug 03 10:05:40 aquatix: yeah, probably get one of those. probably made a lot better than nokia's crap Aug 03 10:05:40 aquatix: it's more likely to break if you use it while plugged in. Aug 03 10:05:52 I often do. Aug 03 10:05:53 Veggen: yeah, figured :) Aug 03 10:06:02 aquatix: still doesn't deter from the fact that they are weak Aug 03 10:06:09 true Aug 03 10:06:13 tiny :/ Aug 03 10:06:21 as a lot of stuff is nowadays Aug 03 10:06:34 My N-Gage charger still is going strong. My Sony Ericsson charger has never broken. Aug 03 10:07:41 the old SE chargers you had to make a "break" gesture with to unplug Aug 03 10:07:47 quite interesting :) Aug 03 10:08:02 Ha, my mum still does that with her T630 :D Aug 03 10:08:06 never broke indeed Aug 03 10:08:09 yeah Aug 03 10:08:29 Fastport was an improvement though. Not like Nokia with their move to the thin port. Aug 03 10:08:53 I'll see if any shops sell a converter for the old charger to new charger. Aug 03 10:09:12 try dealextreme.com Aug 03 10:09:27 Thanks Aug 03 10:18:23 qwerty Aug 03 10:19:08 RST38h Aug 03 10:21:19 aquatix: I'm getting mine from ebay so the plug is for the US but I will connect it to a European electricity network. Aug 03 10:21:37 Does rpsize=1024,rpuid=0,rpuid=30000 get set at initfs time? Aug 03 10:22:50 aquatix: is it ok to just put a converter on the end of the charger and connect it to the wall socket? Aug 03 10:23:58 liri: not sure, but i think the converter could do both 110V and 230V Aug 03 10:24:08 now where did i put the US one... Aug 03 10:24:43 at least on my europe [dutch] version it says 100V-240V Aug 03 10:24:49 so with a converter you should be fine Aug 03 10:25:00 a new one isn't *that* expensive though Aug 03 10:25:04 and smaller ;) Aug 03 10:43:41 when I say converter I'm not talking about a different a charger but about the head part only which plugs into the socket Aug 03 10:52:18 liri: you should be fine. my charger says it's rated 100-240v; I figure that's universal Aug 03 10:54:30 the plug is not, he may need an adaptor Aug 03 10:55:52 liri: yeah, i know Aug 03 10:56:19 but if you put such a head part on the charger, it becomes larger Aug 03 10:56:22 it'll work though Aug 03 11:32:20 ;_; i'd like armagetron on the n810 Aug 03 12:35:07 Anz experiences with N810 crashing after USB device accessing? Aug 03 13:03:02 i need a dupe site,i can race pm me Aug 03 13:55:35 does chinook lxdoom work on diablo? Aug 03 13:56:16 if there's not a diablo lxdoom, then yes Aug 03 13:56:32 * aspect got his unit preinstalled with diablo and lxdoom Aug 03 13:58:32 weird, I've just installed it from chinook extras but it doesnt work Aug 03 13:59:03 * bef0rd tries again Aug 03 14:29:51 dammit Aug 03 14:30:07 I've installed something again that breaks the charging animation, haven't I Aug 03 14:30:35 the one in the corner, or the fullscreen one? Aug 03 14:30:57 the statusbar one Aug 03 14:31:14 I know uninstalling free42 breaks it, haven't met other cases Aug 03 14:31:46 qwerty12 said something about refreshing the gtk icon cache, worked for me after a unforseen reboot gave me trouble Aug 03 14:31:51 I thought I heard of other causes on itt... Aug 03 14:32:06 oh, yeah, true Aug 03 14:32:18 * sp3000 forgot there's that workaround Aug 03 14:32:20 thanks :) Aug 03 14:33:51 np Aug 03 14:34:11 heh, running gem in dosbox. whats next? Aug 03 14:48:46 Morning, all Aug 03 14:49:04 hello Aug 03 14:49:09 hi lcuk Aug 03 14:49:18 afternoon chaps Aug 03 14:49:29 * lcuk takes off his muddy boots Aug 03 14:50:02 wow Aug 03 14:50:32 my boots have kept my feet dry. that is a miracle Aug 03 14:58:28 Hello everybody) Aug 03 14:58:41 Can I ask technical question?) Aug 03 14:59:01 wazd, yes, of course Aug 03 14:59:45 How can I change bluetooth device type? Is there any way? Aug 03 14:59:58 I have BT headphones jabra BT620s Aug 03 15:00:20 And they're always connecting as HFP Aug 03 15:00:30 How else should they connect? Aug 03 15:00:37 A2DP Aug 03 15:00:57 Maemo does not support A2DP. Aug 03 15:01:25 Use johnx's a2dp-support with lardman's dsp-sbc Aug 03 15:01:29 Damn, and why russian faq tells thet "I's okay guyz everything workz" Aug 03 15:01:44 it works with mplayer and other things that can use alsa Aug 03 15:01:50 wazd: Because it is a russian faq Aug 03 15:02:15 Ok, then next question) Aug 03 15:02:17 canola/mediabox/kagu Aug 03 15:02:36 I've already installed that pack on diablo and there's no BT icon in Kagu) Aug 03 15:02:52 did you read the instructions I posted on itt? Aug 03 15:03:00 afaik it is a bit more involved than "installing a pack" Aug 03 15:03:00 It worked perfect on Chinook (thanks a lot btw :) Aug 03 15:03:03 wazd: Ignore kagu's icon. It uses older a2dp implementation Aug 03 15:03:12 RST38h, it really isn't Aug 03 15:03:13 you have to use modified bluez, etc Aug 03 15:03:21 RST38h, no, that's not true Aug 03 15:03:21 nono Aug 03 15:03:28 johnx: No? Really? Aug 03 15:03:30 RST38h: Only for dsp-sbc Aug 03 15:03:34 It worked on Chinook without any shaman moves Aug 03 15:03:39 RST38h, it's one modified config file Aug 03 15:04:12 But is main cpu version running well? I heard reports of severe performance penalty and distortions? Aug 03 15:04:15 RST38h, I made a nice .deb that does the modification for you, then you run one shell script that asks for your BT headphones address and sets everything else up Aug 03 15:04:22 RST38h, in diablo it's much better Aug 03 15:04:29 ok Aug 03 15:04:37 about 30% CPU usage to play an mp3 in mplayer over a2dp Aug 03 15:04:41 well, I got to try it again) Aug 03 15:04:47 30% CPU at 400MHz that is Aug 03 15:04:53 but still, I use it all the time Aug 03 15:05:17 how is sound quality johnx Aug 03 15:05:23 On chinook it smoothly played for 4 hours I think Aug 03 15:05:30 Sound is nice Aug 03 15:05:55 If you're not a weird meloman than you would not hear the difference) Aug 03 15:06:01 johnx: is it assembly optimized? Aug 03 15:06:29 RST38h, sound is as good as a2dp can get I think, which means "not perfect" Aug 03 15:06:39 as for assembly optimization, probably not Aug 03 15:06:52 there should be lots more room for ARM specific optimizations Aug 03 15:06:53 Maybe it can gain a bit from optimization... Aug 03 15:07:02 who is maintianing it? Aug 03 15:07:04 the DSP is the real place to do it though Aug 03 15:07:18 RST38h, talk to bmigley (sp?) on here Aug 03 15:07:53 woooooow Aug 03 15:08:00 bmidgley actually :) Aug 03 15:08:03 weirdest bug ever)) Aug 03 15:08:42 I've tried to enter something in search field in ITT and it entered text from the right Aug 03 15:08:57 from the tablet Aug 03 15:10:02 It does that now :/. I just use advanced search instead Aug 03 15:11:25 somebody is overusing css again... Aug 03 15:12:03 can I please go back in time and strangle whoever came up with css? Aug 03 15:12:29 Although it has to be said, pitch can be a little dodgy with a2dp. I wonder if lardman got a chance to listen to that track... Aug 03 15:12:54 * qwerty12 needs a new charger. my tablet is dead for the time being. I can still come here and annoy you all though. Aug 03 15:13:05 I thought he was the one who said something about not having access to a high accuracy timer Aug 03 15:22:34 johnx, i think he wanted the timer to check his optimisations rather than for specific coding requirement Aug 03 15:23:07 ah really? I thought it was in response to the slight periods of higher and lower pitch sound Aug 03 15:23:13 * johnx likely mis-remembered Aug 03 15:23:48 its ok i havent been here for a couple of days - its easy for all to miss stuff Aug 03 15:23:59 I've been out and about as well Aug 03 15:24:09 * lcuk may infact be totally wrong about the timings Aug 03 15:24:40 i found a problem on my nit while i was away Aug 03 15:25:00 i tried to move 600files from one folder to the other. it took over 10 minutes Aug 03 15:25:01 bummer :( Aug 03 15:25:30 was this on the built-in flash? the soldered on sd card? from one media to another? Aug 03 15:25:31 lcuk: with the command line or file manager? Aug 03 15:25:49 file manager - i wanted a selection, not all Aug 03 15:25:55 ah Aug 03 15:26:12 somehow GUI file managers always find a way to slow down simple things... Aug 03 15:26:22 still faster than vista Aug 03 15:26:31 * qwerty12 generally finds using the command line faster. Don't know nothing about advanced bash expressions but * gets me far... Aug 03 15:26:49 lcuk: that was one of the reasons I reformatted and reinstalled xp :/ Aug 03 15:27:06 yer, i might install xp on my tablet Aug 03 15:27:24 cool, let me know how it goes Aug 03 15:27:47 * would have moved everything, i just wanted to speed up graffiti wall - it got a bit sluggish with 1000 files in there Aug 03 15:28:13 I know, just I can do magic with * Aug 03 15:28:15 :P Aug 03 15:28:23 and tab-completion that is Aug 03 15:28:41 tab completion is a very nice feature Aug 03 15:31:40 Just out of question, has anyone been able to do usb networking in ubuntu 8.04? I'd always assumed I'd be the one mucking it up but after reading -developers, I may not be doing so. Aug 03 15:32:11 I got it working in Debian this morning... Aug 03 15:32:17 either bridged mode Aug 03 15:32:24 or point to point... Aug 03 15:33:07 I can't get tablet 'ifup' to use dhcp though Aug 03 15:34:32 Hmm, I'm thinking a ubuntu kernel upgrade broke it as I was able to use it a long time ago on 7.10 Aug 03 15:42:49 https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Configuring_the_host_as_a_bridge Aug 03 15:43:37 Someone should recommend the Nokia maemo-control-usb on that page... Aug 03 15:44:07 https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Tablet_USB_network_configuration Aug 03 15:44:16 usb-otg-plugin ? Aug 03 15:44:43 Nah, the nokia maemo-integration team have a usb networking applet that goes in the control panel Aug 03 15:44:48 in that case I await your edit ;) Aug 03 15:46:35 Here's a pic of the applet in the control panel: http://i26.tinypic.com/2ir57rp.jpg . Here's the applet: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/m/maemo-control/ Aug 03 15:46:44 Nah, I'm no wiki editor :) Aug 03 15:47:05 I'll show you... Aug 03 15:47:23 00h, fighting talk Aug 03 15:47:42 it's not beyond you is it Aug 03 15:49:25 of course it is, I hate wiki editing. I only look at them. Someone should edit the modifying root image wiki page to include instructions for mkfs.jffs2 Aug 03 15:49:57 https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#USB_statusbar_plugin Aug 03 15:50:21 nice Aug 03 15:50:29 funnily enough I just unpacked my fiasco image about 2 mins ago Aug 03 15:50:43 wow Aug 03 15:50:56 i just played openlierox Aug 03 15:50:58 flasher won't let me unpack fiasco images in /root :P Aug 03 15:50:59 it's actually very fun Aug 03 15:51:22 on my host Aug 03 15:51:39 https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot Aug 03 15:52:10 heh Aug 03 15:52:20 it's pretty easy to boot off the sd Aug 03 15:52:36 yes - I want to boot 4 images though Aug 03 15:52:40 it's nice to have all the extra space too Aug 03 15:52:45 256MB? :) Aug 03 15:52:50 8Gb Aug 03 15:52:51 lbt: Nice, I may apply that mknod modification. I've already got a tarball of my customised initfs on my computer... Aug 03 15:52:56 how small heh.. but i guess they weren't expecting so much to be installed Aug 03 15:53:10 like ms when they said "640 is enough" Aug 03 15:53:11 I was hoping fanoush would mod his initfs Aug 03 15:53:26 the initfs isn't that important Aug 03 15:53:37 It isn't? Aug 03 15:53:50 the /dev on the initfs matters if you want a partition that's not there ;) Aug 03 15:54:01 ah... didn't think about that Aug 03 15:54:02 :) Aug 03 15:54:04 Macer: did you have any problems with openlierox? is it worth to put in maemo downloads? Aug 03 15:54:27 well i haven't played it enough to say.. i just started playing it right now.. although 2 pkgs won't install Aug 03 15:54:28 lbt: My favourite mod is KotCzarny's coloured bootmenu. I spent ages updating it for the diablo initfs version :/ Aug 03 15:54:41 level pack 5 and mod pack 2 won't install Aug 03 15:54:48 This is why I'd like git on garage Aug 03 15:55:05 mikkov_: Just out of question, do you have a N800 or N810? I notice I have to keep remapping buttons on my N800 :) Aug 03 15:55:06 mikkov_ - it's an awesome game for an n800 tho Aug 03 15:55:08 Macer: ok, i need to check them Aug 03 15:55:10 so we can push back mods like this and make accepting them easy Aug 03 15:55:25 qwerty: N800 Aug 03 15:56:09 qwerty: I really haven't changed default mappings, if they are configurable from the game Aug 03 15:56:12 Ah, openlierox is great, I just had to map the buttons so things like jumping actually worked. Be nice if it was done automatically but I guess I'm just lazy. Aug 03 15:56:20 Ah, ok Aug 03 15:56:32 heh... i just used my bt keyboard Aug 03 15:56:33 ;) Aug 03 15:56:49 flinging around on the bungee grapple hook was kinda fun Aug 03 15:57:07 can you hook a bt mouse up to an n800? Aug 03 15:58:00 i never tried it Aug 03 15:58:27 iirc somebodys done it Aug 03 15:58:44 there was something needed to do to make the cursor visible Aug 03 15:59:26 * qwerty12 would love to see my crappy compile of rise of the triad finished ;) Aug 03 15:59:58 i have to make a dev enviroment for maemo... i downloaded the vm but well.. my server with vmware on it kinda... "crashed" Aug 03 16:00:08 arggh, I hate using the wink smiley. It's not me Aug 03 16:00:11 well... X froze up on it ... but hte box is still running and i don't do down time haha Aug 03 16:00:56 Who wants to DDOS Macer's server? Aug 03 16:02:47 ~lart you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here Aug 03 16:02:47 * infobot takes out you people, I was offering a once in a lifetime opportunity here with the trash Aug 03 16:04:17 ffs, scratchbox-toolchain-arm-uclibc_0.9.8.5_i386 uses uClibc-0.9.26 but the initfs uses uClibc-0.9.28 Aug 03 16:04:18 Another day, another server... Aug 03 16:11:10 wb konttori Aug 03 16:11:18 hi Aug 03 16:11:28 thanks Aug 03 16:13:56 pupnik: anything interesting going on? Aug 03 16:14:25 is jffs2 in upstream kernel Aug 03 16:14:39 lbt, it's the rootfs Aug 03 16:14:41 nothing good here, sorry Aug 03 16:14:56 I need to do a loopback mount on my host on 2.6.26 Aug 03 16:15:04 so I need jffs2 support on it Aug 03 16:15:10 lbt: I believe it is. At least I can use jffs in ubuntu fine Aug 03 16:15:13 couldn't see it in menuconfig Aug 03 16:15:20 hmm Aug 03 16:15:24 lemme check Aug 03 16:15:28 something to do with mtd too isn't it Aug 03 16:15:32 I'm about 90% sure it's in the vanilla linux tree Aug 03 16:15:41 lbt, likely Aug 03 16:16:00 lbt: what are you mounting? Aug 03 16:16:06 it only works on mtd devices, so it might not be compileable without mtd support Aug 03 16:16:19 fiasco image Aug 03 16:16:29 to rsync to my tst partition Aug 03 16:16:31 No, which part? initfs, rootfs etc? Aug 03 16:16:36 rootfs Aug 03 16:16:45 rootfs.jffs2 Aug 03 16:16:48 Oh, ok. Aug 03 16:17:15 I know ubuntu has support for jffs2 via modules, what happens if you modprobe jffs2? Aug 03 16:17:58 aha Aug 03 16:18:03 config dependency Aug 03 16:18:13 it appears once mtd is selected as a module Aug 03 16:23:11 Anyone here use an alternate car mount with their n810? There is no way I'm drilling holes in my dash but would like to get a good carmount for it :) Aug 03 16:23:39 i'm sure boxwave might have one Aug 03 16:23:59 never looked myself though Aug 03 16:24:03 b4 going too far - have you used it by hand in the car? My N800 is unreadable too often Aug 03 16:24:20 doesn't the mount have some standard connector thing? so you can mount the part where the n810 goes to some other attachment thing Aug 03 16:24:26 lbt: yeah, easily readable in the car Aug 03 16:24:39 keg: If the connector is standard I wouldn't know Aug 03 16:24:44 'k I know the 810 is better in that respect. Aug 03 16:24:53 if it is and I can get a suction cup kinda adapter that would be nice Aug 03 16:25:05 I think it is, thats why it is in two parts afaik Aug 03 16:25:12 cool Aug 03 16:25:14 with the round thing splitting it apart Aug 03 16:25:30 I haven't put this thing down since I got it on Wednesday heh Aug 03 16:25:42 http://www.boxwave.com/products/mobilemountingkit/index.htm Aug 03 16:25:55 GreyFoxx - looking for something like that? Aug 03 16:26:06 it uses suction to the windshield Aug 03 16:26:23 looking for something that uses suction yeah Aug 03 16:27:01 Matchbox guys can't spell... Aug 03 16:27:07 WM_DIALOGS_STRATERGY_STATIC Aug 03 16:27:07 once I configure open vpn on this thing, and get kismet running I should have most everything on here I use on a regular basis Aug 03 16:28:40 lol qwerty12 Aug 03 16:29:22 I'm trying to get the movable window stuff to work without placing the dialog in funny places :) Aug 03 16:30:22 get some cheap one from dealextreme or similar instead of that boxwave thing, hideously expensive Aug 03 16:30:34 qwerty ;) Aug 03 16:30:36 made in china Aug 03 16:31:00 actuakky I was planning on a dealextreme order thisweek. I'll check there site. Thanks Aug 03 16:31:02 qwerty - install kde Aug 03 16:31:05 heh.. windows move just fine Aug 03 16:31:23 Macer, nah, watchdog would go crazy when I did install kde Aug 03 16:31:38 kde is awesome on the n800 Aug 03 16:32:19 just because it can print from just about anything Aug 03 16:32:19 heh Aug 03 16:32:33 i wish someone would build ff for the n800 for use with kde.. konqueror sucks balls Aug 03 16:33:06 All right, MasterGear 2.6 for Maemo officially released. Aug 03 16:33:10 I thought ff was in Debian? Aug 03 16:33:14 know what's odd... i can't seem to get my n95s gps to bt to my n800 Aug 03 16:33:18 i wonder if there is a way to do that Aug 03 16:33:19 RST38h: Just saw, thanks :) Aug 03 16:33:20 Whoever wants it, http://fms.komkon.org/MG/ (coming to Extras later) Aug 03 16:34:01 congrats RST38h ! Aug 03 16:34:25 gamegear emulator heh Aug 03 16:34:26 nothing to be congratulated for, this release has been planned for 1+ month Aug 03 16:34:43 do check new x3 magnification mode when playing GameGear games though Aug 03 16:36:26 msx emulator too huh? that's awesome :) Aug 03 16:36:34 i'd probably use that way before the gamegear emulator heh Aug 03 16:36:54 speaking of which.. i need to install gngeo Aug 03 16:37:05 i love samurai showdown iv :) Aug 03 16:37:44 And now, long and boring process of sending new version to the registered users.... Aug 03 16:38:36 heh Aug 03 17:05:38 I messed up my N800. Aug 03 17:06:52 "/proc/bus/usb" was not mounted and not when I try to flash in the new software, it does not show an old software version anymore and therefore does not flash Aug 03 17:08:38 what can I do to get the new software onto the device? Aug 03 17:09:57 can anybody help me? Aug 03 17:12:42 i never mounted '/proc/bus/usb'... Aug 03 17:13:06 I just do all my flashing using sudo Aug 03 17:13:21 Macer, RST38h wrote those emulators.... Aug 03 17:16:55 are there any unionfs ports for the n800? Aug 03 17:18:49 lbt: I would use aufs instead Aug 03 17:18:58 unionfs sucks, its buggy Aug 03 17:20:07 I was just reading up on that... :) Aug 03 17:23:54 I had random crashes on my server while using unionfs Aug 03 17:24:10 just that they weren't fatal, due to linux' ability to survive kernel crashes Aug 03 17:27:31 it's on my mind for having a clean test install OS and then aufs mounting a disposable overlay Aug 03 17:27:54 indeed, would be something nice for devs Aug 03 17:28:03 hmm, and for end users as well Aug 03 17:28:18 will remove that 256Mb limit for rootfs while still making use of it Aug 03 17:28:41 now that I think of it, it would be a killer feature ) Aug 03 17:29:02 it would be nice wouldn't it... Aug 03 17:29:16 yep Aug 03 17:29:43 the only problem would be USB Aug 03 17:29:50 add it to the kernel-patches list... Aug 03 17:29:56 it won't let the SD disk be visible as a pen drive... Aug 03 17:31:02 I'm thinking about a pygtk script that would let you repartition your SD card, and use part of it for rootfs Aug 03 17:31:06 but it would work at a partition level Aug 03 17:31:31 ? Aug 03 17:31:59 I'm not sure what the usb problem is Aug 03 17:32:11 the non-rootfs would still be exposed Aug 03 17:32:21 so the fat data partition Aug 03 17:32:30 you mean, split the SD card into two partitions? Aug 03 17:32:37 I have 6 Aug 03 17:32:46 what for :) Aug 03 17:33:12 data, everyday OS, Debian, tst1, tst2, tst3 Aug 03 17:33:17 8Gb though Aug 03 17:33:36 I think I may make it tst1, tst2, aufs scratch Aug 03 17:33:40 and how ITOS likes it? Does it show all of them when you connect your tablet via USB to a PC? Aug 03 17:34:28 let me see (it's on usb nw at the moment - and I use ssh for data sharing) Aug 03 17:34:49 (and debian, not windows) Aug 03 17:35:09 oh yes, it saw them! Aug 03 17:35:13 all? Aug 03 17:35:25 6 KDE windows for removable media Aug 03 17:35:43 N810? Aug 03 17:35:45 or 800? Aug 03 17:35:51 sde: sde1 sde2 sde3 sde4 < sde5 sde6 sde7 > Aug 03 17:35:53 N800 Aug 03 17:35:59 and only one SD card? Aug 03 17:36:04 internal Aug 03 17:36:09 Diablo Aug 03 17:36:21 2.6.26 on the host Aug 03 17:36:22 hmm I thought only N810 has internal/external SD Aug 03 17:36:33 no, N810 only has external Aug 03 17:36:37 N800 has both Aug 03 17:36:41 ? Aug 03 17:36:51 N810 has a 2Gb internal card, and a external slot Aug 03 17:37:00 you can't replace the 2Gb card easily Aug 03 17:37:11 N800 has an internal slot - that's what I meant by internal Aug 03 17:37:13 sorry Aug 03 17:37:25 Ah, like in phones? Somewhere under the battery? Aug 03 17:37:27 you meant the 810 - OK, understood Aug 03 17:37:30 yes Aug 03 17:37:41 Sorry for dumb questions, never seen a N800 :) Aug 03 17:37:51 put the keyboard away Aug 03 17:37:56 there you go. Aug 03 17:38:02 :D Aug 03 17:38:07 how do I get accesspoint information from the command line on n810? Aug 03 17:38:19 oilinki3: use iwconfig Aug 03 17:38:26 and iwlist Aug 03 17:38:33 you'll have to install them first though Aug 03 17:38:43 zap: oh. thank you. Aug 03 17:38:48 look for wireless-tools package Aug 03 17:39:12 I have that already. I just tried to find the command starting with w :) Aug 03 17:39:51 you can get a list of files in a package by using 'dpkg -L ' Aug 03 17:41:02 iwgetid -r seems to give what I need at the time. Aug 03 17:46:23 how come i can sit outside in the cold and reain for 2 days but yet now i am home i am shivering Aug 03 17:46:51 you caught a cold by sitting outside in the cold and rain for 2 days. Aug 03 17:46:58 d'oh Aug 03 17:46:58 lol most likely Aug 03 17:47:17 i actually think its cos i took my boots off Aug 03 17:48:26 lbt, hows shopper goin - did you manage to get a chinook install? Aug 03 17:48:40 I'm doing : https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#MultiBoot Aug 03 17:48:48 so I can get a test environment Aug 03 17:49:20 oooh, i started down that road, but got lost with all the docs at the time being 800 oriented Aug 03 17:51:57 ok. tomorrow I can go to check wether n810 can do an automatic login to the free wifi network in bangkok Aug 03 17:52:29 do you know how to get the gps location data from the command line as well? Aug 03 18:10:00 well. that sucks :) i guess i should have given teh vfat on the internal card a little more than 1G for the vfat partition Aug 03 18:10:04 evidently maps uses it Aug 03 18:10:13 i can't seem to find a way to change where it stores its maps either Aug 03 18:10:55 Macer: maemo-mapper? Aug 03 18:10:57 but there is a way to get it to use the n95 as a gps Aug 03 18:11:07 Macer: all openlierox packages should be now installable Aug 03 18:11:08 . Aug 03 18:11:46 ah crap Aug 03 18:11:50 sure isn't.. it's nokia maps Aug 03 18:11:53 damnit :) my bad Aug 03 18:11:54 err. How does one give "Thanks" on the InternetTabletTalk forum? Aug 03 18:12:00 * dannym_ is probably just blind Aug 03 18:12:06 mikkov - i'll try it out Aug 03 18:12:21 have to refresh the rep? Aug 03 18:12:28 yes Aug 03 18:12:46 i'm not sure if packages are there yet Aug 03 18:12:57 but at least extras-devel is updated Aug 03 18:13:18 heh... it's just 1 mod and 1 game map pkg Aug 03 18:13:47 it did find the updates though.. i'm installing them now Aug 03 18:14:13 does maemo-mapper allow you to use something other than the internal vfat partition? Aug 03 18:14:16 dannym_: there's "thanks" button belowe each message. I think you have to be logged in to see them Aug 03 18:14:24 Macer: yes Aug 03 18:14:27 i only made it 1G and that was because it uses it for the swap Aug 03 18:14:40 anything i actually want to store i'd put on the external Aug 03 18:14:53 Macer: the rest of the packages are in installabe packages section ;) Aug 03 18:14:57 ah ok.. yeah i was a little confused when maps asked me for money Aug 03 18:15:12 mikkov - yeah.. i'm updating the ones i have now .. i'l try the last 2 in a minute Aug 03 18:15:24 i want tot test out the internet play once i get a little better at it ;) Aug 03 18:15:45 mikkov_: really? not here... and I'm logged in... that said I'm really tired and it might be I just don't recognize it :( Aug 03 18:15:51 but right now i'm working on using my n95s gps with the n800 Aug 03 18:15:52 mikkov_: how does the link look? Aug 03 18:16:07 maemo-mapper charges money like maps? :) Aug 03 18:16:22 i was a little confused when it started asking me for a key.. i was reminded of an apple product Aug 03 18:16:59 it's great having all this space for my n800 with the internal sd as / :) Aug 03 18:17:15 they should have made the default internal 16G or something.. but that would make the thing cost like $1000 Aug 03 18:17:16 dannym: it's green "Thanks!" text. But it depends on theme you are using, and some of them don't even have the button Aug 03 18:18:04 Macer: you probably won't have a chance if opponent isn't also using internet tablet ;) Aug 03 18:18:56 heh Aug 03 18:18:59 well.. i have my bt keyboard Aug 03 18:19:05 but i'm sure the lack of a mouse hurts :) Aug 03 18:19:11 too difficult to aim quickly Aug 03 18:19:22 oh kb definetly helps ;) Aug 03 18:19:36 is it even possible to play it without one? Aug 03 18:19:43 openlierox doesn't use mouse for aiming on any platform Aug 03 18:19:53 ah well.. so it's all kb? Aug 03 18:19:53 only buttons Aug 03 18:20:15 well... that helps even the playing field Aug 03 18:20:41 all the pkgs installed without problem now... mod pack 3 huh? :) Aug 03 18:21:01 yeah, i didn't include all mods last time ;) Aug 03 18:21:16 but you don't need them all at the same time Aug 03 18:21:18 well.. they all updated.. and the remaining pkgs installed correctly Aug 03 18:21:32 just the latest? Aug 03 18:21:37 i jsut started installing everything heh Aug 03 18:21:45 just the one you are playing Aug 03 18:21:59 oh.. well.. i just installed all of them heh Aug 03 18:22:04 at minimum you don't need any extras Aug 03 18:22:13 i have the space ;) Aug 03 18:22:45 my n800 sure did start to suck until i decided to go ahead and use the internal card to boot Aug 03 18:23:28 ah well. i'm going to go ahead and work on this n95 to n800 gps thing Aug 03 18:23:34 hopefully it works without a hitch Aug 03 18:24:18 nokia should make the n900 have built in cell capabilities Aug 03 18:24:23 it would put the iphone to shame Aug 03 18:25:21 I wouldn't be too surprised if n900 had cellular Aug 03 18:25:51 mikkov_: hmm.. which theme do you use? (which has it :)) Aug 03 18:26:01 * dannym_ tried Default, Minimalistic and Mobile so far :) Aug 03 18:27:32 dannym_: default "n810 v2" at least has it Aug 03 18:29:06 mikkov_: not here, I just tried it explicitly... Aug 03 18:29:34 mikkov_: maybe I need to have a certain number of posts on the forum or something... Aug 03 18:29:38 strange... Aug 03 18:31:47 in any case, I tried and give up on that for now :) Aug 03 18:32:10 doing more important things like porting 3G Modem stuff... Aug 03 18:32:23 (or rather, releasing the finished thing ;)) Aug 03 18:32:37 anyone got MUD builder to run? Aug 03 18:33:10 I get a "have your installed xsltproc" error message and when I "fakeroot apt-get install xsltproc" it goes SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY not set... well of course not... Aug 03 18:35:04 * dannym switches to i386 target and prepares himself mentally to have binaries for the wrong architecture in the finished DEB on the server :-> Aug 03 18:39:46 dannym: i can install xsltproc in sb just fine :) Aug 03 18:40:24 Things are screwed when your application requires xslt... Aug 03 18:41:43 RST38h: "mud" requires xslt. Aug 03 18:41:51 RST38h: to build its thing... Aug 03 18:42:23 do I use MUD in i386 or in ARM target? Or outside scratchbox? Aug 03 18:43:55 * dannym just puts a fake "xsltproc" into "/scratchbox/tools/bin/" :P Aug 03 18:44:49 dannym: and that is why things are screwed = Aug 03 18:46:29 RST38h: mmmmh :) well I didn't write "mud" and if it takes more than an hour off my life I'll just register another tiny garage project and so avoid using it... Aug 03 18:46:44 but I thought "mud" was supposed to be used for the smallish no-changes projects... Aug 03 18:47:18 I have an N800 and have set an alarm on the clock app ... just wondering if it will activate even with the power off? Aug 03 18:48:02 awesome Aug 03 18:48:11 got my n800 to use the n95s gps Aug 03 18:48:12 RST38h: or do you mean Scratchbox should have one already? hmm... Aug 03 18:48:22 an XSLTProc* Aug 03 18:48:24 i think i'll buy a mount for it for my car now heh Aug 03 18:48:49 gps + att 3G .... little by little my n800 is replacing a ton of things Aug 03 18:49:03 soon i'll just need my n95 n800 and su8w Aug 03 18:49:08 dannym: it doesn't matter from which environmet you upload your files to autobuilder, if that's whar you're asking. Aug 03 18:49:44 macer: it is 3 devices. Aug 03 18:49:54 although with the n810 i wouldn't really need to use teh gps.. and it sorta sucks because you have to have this extgps program on the n95 Aug 03 18:49:58 dannym: I mean that XSLT is evil. Aug 03 18:50:10 as far as battery life goes, i think the N800 is great Aug 03 18:50:16 RST38h: agreed ;) Aug 03 18:50:17 RST38h - yeah, but all 3 are about 1/8th my macbook ;) Aug 03 18:50:18 Makes you think it can actually do something useful, but does not Aug 03 18:50:24 and they fit in my pockets Aug 03 18:50:38 Macer: and they charge from a single tit? =) Aug 03 18:50:41 developing for it though, not quite as straight forward as other platforms Aug 03 18:50:55 i wish Aug 03 18:50:58 mikkov_: unfortunately "mud" also builds the packages so does it matter from which environment "I" build my package? ;) Aug 03 18:51:08 i should make an adapter for that though... the su8w uses AAA Aug 03 18:51:16 Mango: Actually, it is easy, you just need to figure out what parts of instructions you DO NOT need Aug 03 18:51:20 it lasts like a month :) Aug 03 18:51:27 if you use it a lot i mean Aug 03 18:51:28 RST38h: haha Aug 03 18:52:00 n800 battery life is great though.. .even while in use Aug 03 18:52:00 though in my case it is a bit more challenging since i need to run linux in a vm. on a mac. which can be a nightmare at times Aug 03 18:52:01 Mango: For example, the whole automake/autoconf stuff can be safely keworked Aug 03 18:52:03 :( Aug 03 18:52:11 mikkov_: it helps to test building for both targets but it's not required ;) Aug 03 18:52:15 * RST38h had to make a partition and put Ubuntu there Aug 03 18:52:22 Mango: You also do not need sb Aug 03 18:52:38 Mango: sb2 is quite sufficient without being so cumbersome Aug 03 18:52:39 tried the dual boot approach, but that was even worse ;) Aug 03 18:52:39 doh, dannym: same Aug 03 18:52:51 ah well.. i think i'm done doing little n800 projects for now Aug 03 18:53:05 i need to unpack penguinbait's deb for kde and rape it Aug 03 18:53:20 Mango: And you do not really need Xephyr and Qemu because Qemu does not emulate whole Maemo anyway Aug 03 18:53:21 there are a ton of things i don't use.. i'd rather just have the kde and koffice and cups install and get rid of evrything else Aug 03 18:53:30 since kopete doesn't support ssl gtalk :) Aug 03 18:53:35 Macer: Will be very slow. Aug 03 18:53:41 one thing i really wish the n800 had though was better sensitivity on the touch screen. Seems very awkward when compared to, say, my iPod touch :( Aug 03 18:53:47 RST38h - kde? it isn't that bad Aug 03 18:53:52 i've been testing it out for a while Aug 03 18:54:01 Macer: sluggish even on my 1.1GHz laptop =) Aug 03 18:54:05 it is a great replacement for my laptop at school Aug 03 18:54:15 depends on your definition of sluggish ;) Aug 03 18:54:21 RST38h: have you tried tunneling X and running it remotely instead? Aug 03 18:54:26 i could deal with kword taking 10 secs to open as long as it works Aug 03 18:54:33 KDE <-- copied Windows so successfully that it became too sluggish to use =) Aug 03 18:54:43 hahaha Aug 03 18:54:48 yeah... they sure did didn't they? Aug 03 18:54:49 :) Aug 03 18:54:55 Macer: I like when things snap Aug 03 18:55:06 Macer: If they do not snap, I call it sluggish Aug 03 18:55:07 well.. it's an n800.. you're expecting too much from it Aug 03 18:55:18 anyone knows where the 4.1 SDK rootstrap is? Aug 03 18:55:22 it prints from koffice .. which is more than i expected it to do Aug 03 18:55:26 * dannym plots to check whether it contains xslt :) Aug 03 18:55:39 prints from all kde based apps actually since kde uses cups as its spooler Aug 03 18:55:51 you print from a tablet? =) Aug 03 18:55:57 yeah Aug 03 18:56:06 cups works on it.. i've tested it Aug 03 18:56:17 prints directly to my networked laser printer using cups Aug 03 18:56:34 but most hildon apps don't support cups Aug 03 18:56:44 Macer: hehehe... that works? cool ^^ Aug 03 18:56:47 i'd have rather ditched the kde install and used abiword and gnumeric Aug 03 18:56:58 yeah.. it works very well as a matter of fact :) i was as shocked as anybody Aug 03 18:57:35 takes about a minute for it to actually start the printing.. but hey... if i can use my su8w and n800 for school (keeping it in my pockets) instead of lugging around a laptop in my bag.. i'm game Aug 03 18:58:18 i'm going to start repkging the debs that were released when i get the chance and see about getting the use of the package manager in kde itself going Aug 03 18:58:51 that way you could actually add and remove the stuff you want/don't want.. right now there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do it Aug 03 18:58:51 abiword still does not work fully Aug 03 18:58:59 gnumeric kinda works but needs some polishing Aug 03 18:59:18 abiword works well enough to use.. but doesn't support cups printing in hildon Aug 03 18:59:29 hildon really wasn't designed with printing in mind :) Aug 03 18:59:52 who would have thought ;) Aug 03 18:59:56 which is a shame because it would have been an awesome stock feature Aug 03 19:00:12 with slogans like.. "can your iphone print?" Aug 03 19:00:15 heh Aug 03 19:00:23 I don't think adding cups to hildon is such a huge problem though Aug 03 19:00:32 i tried printing on my n95. didn't work ;) Aug 03 19:00:39 nor do i... you probably would just need to add a spooler Aug 03 19:00:45 MangoFusion - works with bt printers Aug 03 19:00:58 which sadly most aren't Aug 03 19:01:04 Macer: didn't work with the one i tried. some sort of error Aug 03 19:01:09 (hmm.. anyone downloaded already? I don't want to download 133 MB with 12KB/s and then find out it doesn't contain "xsltproc"... Aug 03 19:01:12 really? hm.. that sucks Aug 03 19:01:19 hehehe Aug 03 19:01:25 they should add cups to the n95 too :-D Aug 03 19:01:37 dannym: Be prepared: this thing will pull whole TeX distribution Aug 03 19:01:47 n95s are a little laxed though.. not as eye candied out as iphones but i still think they are overall a more powerful phone Aug 03 19:01:52 aaargh. Aug 03 19:02:03 xsltproc, a kingdom for xsltproc... Aug 03 19:02:12 once nokia releases someting like an n800 with cell support though.. i'm eating it up.. i don't care if it costs $2000 Aug 03 19:02:12 heh Aug 03 19:02:18 dannym: just compile it separately Aug 03 19:02:30 one thing i really noticed with the n95 after using the touch was how much clicking about you have to do with the dpad to get anywhere Aug 03 19:02:32 n95 has 3d accel :) Aug 03 19:02:34 Macer: And you are gonna stick THAT to your ear? Aug 03 19:02:41 dannym: xslt proc belongs to sdk Aug 03 19:02:47 yeah.. i hate the buttons on my n95 too Aug 03 19:02:53 it is way too easy to keep hitting the wrong ones Aug 03 19:02:57 Macer: touchscreen in? Aug 03 19:02:59 RST38h: I tried, it worked when I used it on a test file but crashed on the MUD.xslt (surprise surprise) :-( Aug 03 19:03:01 though then again every normal phone has that issue Aug 03 19:03:08 no one using MUD here? :( Aug 03 19:03:28 most of them i suppose.... it is very irritating on the n95 though Aug 03 19:03:36 it's almost like they did it on purpose to torture people Aug 03 19:03:38 dannym: As I said, xslt is highly evil and its creators were better to be disposed off while they were fetuses Aug 03 19:03:46 you know how sadistic those engineers could be :) Aug 03 19:04:21 Macer: dark Finnish genius. Aug 03 19:04:25 one thing that sucks currently is that the little switches that go beneath the volume controls on mine fell off after an accident, so i can't really control the volume very easily any more Aug 03 19:04:34 RST38h: yeah, tell me about it... I wrote an entire Web GUI for a search engine provider using XSLT style sheets and xsltproc, libxslt and *eeek* the Mono wrappers... O_O Aug 03 19:04:36 i d on't really like hildon though.. that whole... full screen or none thing they have going on is kinda irritating Aug 03 19:04:49 * dannym tortures himself with a spoon... aah more relaxing :) Aug 03 19:05:02 it would be nice if they had seperate desktops and more applets to work with :) Aug 03 19:05:10 dannym: Believe it or not, using plain PHP would save you and your employer sooo much time =) Aug 03 19:05:18 RST38h: I know :) Aug 03 19:05:27 Macer: you can treat icons on the app bar as desktop switchers Aug 03 19:05:34 Of course it would not be eleet enough Aug 03 19:05:48 zap .. that's kind of ghetto ;) Aug 03 19:05:49 Macer: this way, every app launched gets its own desktop Aug 03 19:06:01 any maemo-mapper devs on here? Aug 03 19:06:02 I personally would hate to have overlapped windows on N8x0 Aug 03 19:06:04 heh Aug 03 19:06:21 Folks, there is an example of an app that uses multiple windows on N8x0 Aug 03 19:06:33 xmms? Aug 03 19:06:36 It is OpenTTD Aug 03 19:06:37 sure, microb for example Aug 03 19:06:40 RST38h: the semi-functional-programming style of XSLT drives me nuts... the darn xslt apply-template stuff which is somehow procedural... the mutually incompatible vendor extensions, ... Aug 03 19:06:46 openttd is unplayable Aug 03 19:06:49 And OpenTTD is absolute hell to navigate and control Aug 03 19:06:51 zap: Yep Aug 03 19:06:51 RST38h: I'm grateful I don't have to do it anymore :) Aug 03 19:07:05 dannym: Itr is not even THAT Aug 03 19:07:14 the desktop uses multiple windows Aug 03 19:07:16 dannym: It is small crap, like lack of regular expressions Aug 03 19:07:28 openttd really needs a proper mobile version Aug 03 19:07:33 dannym: That are SUPPOSED to be there, only nobody implements them Aug 03 19:07:34 not just a simple port Aug 03 19:07:54 dannym: Or the fact that you cant reassign a variable Aug 03 19:08:16 dannym: Or lack of includes (yes, I know these freaks have a separate STANDARD for includes which nobody supports!) Aug 03 19:08:36 RST38h: yeah, vendor extensions. GAH. Aug 03 19:09:19 dannym: Actually, regexp are XSL 2.0 (nobody supports it) and XSI is a separate standard (supported separately but not inside XSL for some reason) Aug 03 19:10:09 And no, I am not licensing some "XML studio solution" for $600/seat and using mouse (!) to do xsl processing Aug 03 19:11:34 haha Aug 03 19:13:35 hehe whyyy not? :-> Aug 03 19:14:25 'cause I have to do it from inside a makefile =) Aug 03 19:15:08 Of course I understand that the bunch of Indian kids who wrote this "solution" have never heard about makefiles in their Java class, but still... Aug 03 19:16:59 RST38h: xpath is fuzzy enough for me Aug 03 19:21:43 makefile Aug 03 19:21:47 what is that? Aug 03 19:21:57 * MangoFusion puts on dunce cap Aug 03 19:24:39 awww man, you guys are so lucky. Aug 03 19:27:21 all of you owe me a congrads!! Aug 03 19:27:58 after literally months of looking for it I got the N810 this evening from a local guy who had i (so it's 2nd hand but good still) Aug 03 19:28:42 nice! Aug 03 19:28:49 good buy? Aug 03 19:30:01 ahaaa!! Aug 03 19:30:18 good old find(1) found "/scratchbox/devkits/doctools/bin/xsltproc" :) yay Aug 03 19:30:38 keesj: XPath - can't do joins properly Aug 03 19:30:59 keesj: this single weakness is sufficient enough to drop it Aug 03 19:31:30 it cost me $314 but it has only 1 stylus and no car charger Aug 03 19:34:11 so now I need to get going at hacking it Aug 03 19:40:57 dannym: just caught up with stuff. You still having problems? From a /last, some questions I assume keesj may have answered: mud runs in Scratchbox, both armel & i386 targets. mud requires devscripts, xsltproc and one or two other things which, eventually, will become part of a Depends line in a deb (when it itself gets put into extras); full list at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jaffa/mud_design. Aug 03 19:41:52 Jaffa: hi! Aug 03 19:43:26 zap: hi! Just replying to your last email, but then got to go and do the washing up :-( Aug 03 19:43:48 thats not a problem Aug 03 19:44:02 Um.. I filled a join request on garage, please ignore it Aug 03 19:44:12 I thought I have to be a member of the project to submit xml files :) Aug 03 19:44:55 zap: fair enough :) Aug 03 19:45:12 If you start submitting patches to mud itself, after a couple I'd be happy to give you svn access. Aug 03 19:45:25 Or one really good one, I suppose :) Aug 03 19:46:30 I don't know perls, so it's not likely to happen :) Aug 03 19:46:40 hahah, I meant perl Aug 03 19:46:45 kind of like "internets" Aug 03 19:47:08 * Jaffa has 3 and wants a fourth ;-) Aug 03 19:56:01 odd... when I play the nokia video on the N810 and while it's playing I click on the top menu, it slowly opens up... is this supposed to appen? Aug 03 19:56:55 videos play using an overlay, its slightly different to the normal screen so tihngs might be a big more sluggish Aug 03 19:57:14 i dunno though, cos my mediaplayer crapped out on my over the weekend Aug 03 19:57:53 i just upgdated to diablo and i was surprised to find out that i didn't have to add repos manually. well done team maemo! Aug 03 20:00:06 where does media player (default nokia provided one) get its file list from, and what may prevent it from having one (i know the files exist i can play directly from mplayer) Aug 03 20:01:06 mediacrawler Aug 03 20:01:42 yeah openlierox kinda sucks on the n800 online Aug 03 20:02:04 jaffa - its never randomly crapped out before - i tried rebootin and stuff. hmm ill pop battery incase it was really stuck Aug 03 20:02:56 does the liero thing support joysticks Aug 03 20:05:26 btw good question Aug 03 20:11:59 is liero the dos game that google found for me? Aug 03 20:12:14 openlierox? Aug 03 20:12:35 beta5 changelog says: "optimised/fixed joystick support Aug 03 20:12:59 zap: See, you can also try an IR joystick Aug 03 20:13:15 we have beta3 because beta5 has problems with our libstdc++ Aug 03 20:13:17 lcuk: it's just that I remember that on the N800 it worked pretty well, not being sluggish Aug 03 20:13:43 actually, not, a different project Aug 03 20:13:44 liri, you might just have other things hapepning Aug 03 20:14:01 looks cool Aug 03 20:14:18 RST38h: unfortunately N8x0 does not have an IR receiver Aug 03 20:14:47 zap: But you can still plug one Aug 03 20:14:55 that would suck Aug 03 20:15:07 given that the usb socket is covered, it would... Aug 03 20:15:12 I could plug in a USB RF receiver as well Aug 03 20:15:24 and then I could choose one of thousands radio joysticks Aug 03 20:15:25 or use a bluetooth joystick/gamepad Aug 03 20:15:28 or usb one Aug 03 20:15:40 there are very few bt gamepads Aug 03 20:15:45 wiimote works Aug 03 20:15:49 wiimote seems to be the only usable choice Aug 03 20:16:07 easiest to obtain Aug 03 20:17:50 my chinese wiimote copy has not arrived yet :| does it work well with n810? Aug 03 20:19:37 openlierox would be good if you could use a controller for it Aug 03 20:19:41 like a usb gamepad or something Aug 03 20:21:59 ok so... where do I get started at hacking my N810? I got it 2nd hand from someone, so maybe I should reflash it? Aug 03 20:22:31 M-HT finished newer and faster version of his DOSBox dynamic recompiler backend. Aug 03 20:22:56 * pupnik starts to get a bit of the old gleam back Aug 03 20:28:34 the US nokia charger says 100-240v and 50hz-60hz - is that ok to put it in the plug in Europe? (US is 50hz with 110v and Europe is 60hz with 220v) Aug 03 20:29:02 US is 60hz, EU is 50hz Aug 03 20:29:23 But yes, that charger should work just about anywhere Aug 03 20:29:45 Though US has flat pins and europe has round pins, so the US charger doesn't fit straight into EU sockets Aug 03 20:29:46 diablo extras does not like my ssh key again Aug 03 20:29:55 has someting broken over weekend? Aug 03 20:30:01 liri: yes Aug 03 20:32:43 * Jaffa has successfuly used his N810 charger in the US, the UK and continental Europe. All modern device chargers tend to be global, requirinhg only physical travel adapters. Aug 03 20:32:58 but check on the safety label first Aug 03 20:33:05 cool, so I just need to get the physical adapter to connect it to the wall socket Aug 03 20:33:09 and remove the safety pin! =) Aug 03 20:33:22 what safety label lol? Aug 03 20:33:24 [otherwise it will not blow up]] Aug 03 20:33:51 on the plug packaging itself theres normally a label indicating range of voltages Aug 03 20:34:36 liri: Works fine for me. Aug 03 20:35:02 US charger, adapter, running here with 230v Aug 03 20:35:06 on the actual charger it says INPUT: AC 100-240V and 50-60Hz, 150mA Aug 03 20:35:22 my nokia charger says 100-240v embossed onto the plastic Aug 03 20:35:38 liri: So why do you ask in the first place? ;) Aug 03 20:36:00 cos he didnt rtfp Aug 03 20:36:14 lol want to make sure Aug 03 20:36:23 I just got it :) Aug 03 20:36:58 does anyone know of a shop thats open sunday nights that sells gas masks Aug 03 20:37:10 can anyone explain quickly why thumb instructions can be faster? Aug 03 20:37:19 16bit instruction size Aug 03 20:37:29 perfect, ty Aug 03 20:38:11 pupnik: 2 instructions are read at once Aug 03 20:38:12 and this can help some code on omap2420? Aug 03 20:38:32 pupnik: this helps th performance especially if your memory is connected via 16bit bus Aug 03 20:38:39 full arm instructions are 32bit, so for specific opcodes and actions it can be quicker. but full 32bit instructions can contain multiple stepped operations in one from a wider variety of registers and memory locations. Aug 03 20:38:40 yes, it may help some code on omap Aug 03 20:38:41 lcuk: You head beans for dinner? Aug 03 20:39:04 s/head/had/ Aug 03 20:39:04 blafasel meant: lcuk: You had beans for dinner? Aug 03 20:39:07 doesnt seem that openlierox supports joysticks Aug 03 20:39:19 blafasel, ive just come back from 2 days of camping with the lads: beer and bad bbq food combined to make mine and the rest of the families life a living hell Aug 03 20:39:26 pupnik: On the other hand, Nintendo recommends using thumb when running out of ROM (16bit bus) but using 32bit arm instructions when running out of 32bit iwram Aug 03 20:40:14 can i tell a particular object file to compile using thumb instructions? would the whole emulator build have to run in 'thumb mode'? Aug 03 20:40:20 pupnik: With thumb you lose direct alu operations on upper half of ARM registers, conditional opcode execution, and a few other things Aug 03 20:40:21 lcuk: Ouch. ;) Aug 03 20:40:25 hm Aug 03 20:40:31 bsg done yet? Aug 03 20:40:31 heh Aug 03 20:40:43 i haven't watched it almost all season because all the beginning episodes sucked Aug 03 20:40:45 pupnik: Depends on whether your compiler knows how ot use BX opcode to switch Aug 03 20:40:49 pupnik, yes i believe you can (technically you can at functional level) but i dunno how to switch Aug 03 20:40:52 if it does not, then no Aug 03 20:41:03 ty, taking notes Aug 03 20:41:35 is there an N810/N800 dedicated website/wiki? seems that maemo.org Howtos and guides isn't realy updated with information about 770 and stuff Aug 03 20:41:38 blafasel, its more than ouch - ive been bunged up for the whole time whilst suffering the rest of the group - now mine has decided to erupt Aug 03 20:41:43 ah, the version in the repo is beta3, joystick support is in beta4 and fixed in beta5 :| Aug 03 20:41:49 http://www.codesourcery.com/archives/arm-gnu/msg00032.html Aug 03 20:41:51 its a good job the internet cannot conduct smells Aug 03 20:42:36 but to give you a teste: if it was an operating system it would be Vista Aug 03 20:42:40 pupnik: See above link Aug 03 20:42:42 taste ffs Aug 03 20:42:52 thanks RST38h Aug 03 20:43:04 and that's tmi lcuk Aug 03 20:43:29 pupnik, its evil - you dont expect me to sit here dying alone do you Aug 03 20:43:34 so, has something happen with diablo extras? Aug 03 20:43:42 I can't upload - says ssh key is incorrect Aug 03 20:44:27 i have heard complaints recently but don't know if that is related Aug 03 20:45:10 liri: we are wokring on http://wiki.maemo.org/Main_Page Aug 03 20:45:33 Aloha! Aug 03 20:48:50 sleep. Aug 03 20:50:50 RST38h: good idea... me too :) good night ^^ Aug 03 20:51:38 keesj: looks good. Aug 03 20:57:36 keesj: those notes about gaining root access are somewhat scaring :) Aug 03 20:58:02 keesj: could possibly damage the device... Aug 03 21:00:25 so could a correctly directed hit with a fork Aug 03 21:00:57 now, REALLY sleep. Aug 03 21:01:22 good night RST38h ` Aug 03 21:02:21 night RST, go to sleep already :) Aug 03 21:06:16 K Aug 03 21:17:43 Hi Aug 03 21:17:57 Can i ask a question? Aug 03 21:18:23 Where the hell is the MMC slot on the 770? Aug 03 21:18:43 Eeh Aug 03 21:18:59 That door down in the right? Aug 03 21:19:35 Yeah Aug 03 21:19:39 Sorry, mine was second handed and came with the MMC on. Aug 03 21:19:47 Ok, thanks! Aug 03 21:20:02 Can i remove it with the 770 on? Aug 03 21:23:19 seems that the version I have installed on the 2nd hand N810 is OS2008 version 1.2007.42-19 which I'm guessing is rather old... Aug 03 21:24:42 So what? Flash it, if you want. Aug 03 21:24:50 Backup your stuff though Aug 03 21:26:28 whats the current OS 2008 version? are the changes considerable? Aug 03 21:29:21 http://imagechan.com/images/c1b753a2135e2a576ccd84b05e765065.gif Aug 03 21:29:31 what are the chances? :) Aug 03 21:30:11 Macer: Ouch Aug 03 21:30:37 Another case of "Don't try to be too smart with ads" Aug 03 21:30:41 the banner is probably random Aug 03 21:30:51 it just happened like that by chance Aug 03 21:30:56 No, probably using context, like adsense. Aug 03 21:32:16 heh Aug 03 21:32:26 when keepin it real goes wrong Aug 03 21:33:39 the swap button on the N810 is the top button from the 2 left buttons on the side? Aug 03 21:35:07 looks like i have openlierox beta5 working.. Aug 03 21:35:10 liri: Using the windows flasher? It shows you the right pictogram. But yes. Aug 03 21:35:24 or not Aug 03 21:35:31 The one with two rectangles/windows Aug 03 21:36:03 Blafasel: I'm reading about the flasher (probably will be with linux) on the wiki page Aug 03 21:36:15 liri: Okay. So - Yes ;) Aug 03 21:36:22 Blafasel: thanks :) Aug 03 21:36:59 Blafasel: is there a chance to damage the device and ender it un-bootable or somehing? Aug 03 21:38:43 do you guys remember what is the name of the applet that checks your gmail account? Aug 03 21:40:17 lbt, think you could slim down the MultiBoot section a bit? Aug 03 21:40:27 liri: Sure, drop it from the 5th floor or something. Aug 03 21:40:28 It's really weighing the article down. Aug 03 21:41:04 liri: With updates? No, don't think so. I heard of no "brick" and I don't believe you can brick it (easily, without force). Aug 03 21:41:52 Bricking requires something going wrong during the ~3ms window of the NOLO flashing. Aug 03 21:41:58 even then, you can still revive it with the right cable. Aug 03 21:42:19 Blafasel: I'm not talking about dropping it. I'm talking about the reflash operation, just don't want to end up with a bricked device Aug 03 21:42:28 You pretty much can't Aug 03 21:42:53 I've been in the tablet world for more than 2 years and never once seen anybody brick it flashing. Aug 03 21:43:32 See above. The point is: The chance bricking your device is probably lower than the change that someone drives you over when you leave the house ;) Aug 03 21:44:19 We could run the numbers for you if you like, but NOLO is about 9KB in total Aug 03 21:44:20 I need to sleep, can't type anymore. Aug 03 21:44:31 and the flash runs at about 5-7MB/sec Aug 03 21:44:33 You do the math. Aug 03 21:46:29 heh ok Aug 03 21:48:18 GeneralAntilles: yes - it's not done yet Aug 03 21:48:52 is the current flash version for N810 newer than 1.2007.42-19? Aug 03 21:49:20 kpel: mnotify Aug 03 21:50:38 liri, significantly. Aug 03 21:52:49 solarion: thanks Aug 03 22:13:54 wow they just can't make horror stuff like they used to. Aug 03 22:15:21 Well, what did you expect. Even the X-Files movie sucks badly. Very, very badly. Aug 03 22:19:54 noooooooo dont tell me that Aug 03 22:20:46 You didn't watch it yet? Aug 03 22:20:57 no, and i dont wanna know anything about it Aug 03 22:21:01 No spoilers at all. I just didn't like it. Aug 03 22:21:23 Watched the original version, because I wanted to have the real voices.. Aug 03 22:21:31 i understand its full title is X-Files:Last chance at milking the cow" Aug 03 22:21:38 but i wanna see it anyway Aug 03 22:21:38 I mean.. What's up with dubbing every movie over here anyway. Aug 03 22:21:53 where are you? Aug 03 22:21:59 Germany. Aug 03 22:22:10 Every frikking movie is in german. Always. Aug 03 22:22:12 ahhh - i suppose things need dubbing then Aug 03 22:22:27 It's hard to find original versions over here in a decent cinema Aug 03 22:23:37 blafasel, i can see why though Aug 03 22:23:59 its a shame theres no way to get a computer to do a translation using the original actors voiceprint Aug 03 22:24:00 lcuk: Explain it to me ;) Aug 03 22:24:07 i suppose it will happen eventually Aug 03 22:24:26 Hmm.. Currently you just have very strange expectations. Aug 03 22:24:48 Bruce Willis? Completely different voice, very famous over here (the dubbed one) Aug 03 22:25:07 well if i were a cinema owner here i know 99% of my customers couldnt speak german. i would want an english language film Aug 03 22:25:09 More stupid example: Eddie Murphy. You don't want to listen to the german version.. Aug 03 22:25:15 other way round is surely true Aug 03 22:25:26 lcuk: It's a matter of education, imo. Aug 03 22:25:44 over here only childrens movies are dubbed (and Simpsons: The Movie) Aug 03 22:25:44 so get in your time machine and train everyone Aug 03 22:25:49 i agree with you Aug 03 22:26:10 but any major change would take 50 years plus? Aug 03 22:27:17 Maybe Aug 03 22:27:26 mikkov_: Where are you from? Aug 03 22:27:39 Finland Aug 03 22:28:00 wedont your respective countries produce any homegrown movies? Aug 03 22:28:03 -we Aug 03 22:28:12 Sure Aug 03 22:28:19 do they sell as well Aug 03 22:29:08 finnish movies sell nowaday pretty well here Aug 03 22:29:36 15 years ago finnish movier were complete joke Aug 03 22:29:37 Yes, most do Aug 03 22:29:49 eliminating or reducing current copyright monopoly protections would open up the world of art to the people again: individuals playing instruments and singing, independent artists rising to prominence on popular meritocracy Aug 03 22:30:01 it does work, and producing films and programs natively does more than a simple dubb - it incorporates local language traditions jokes or situations Aug 03 22:30:04 Anyway, time to sleep - lots of work tomorrow. G'Night Aug 03 22:30:09 cu Aug 03 22:30:28 gnite blafasel Aug 03 22:31:18 pupnik, copyright in reasonable terms helps the individuals Aug 03 22:31:59 i know of valid arguments which support that lcuk Aug 03 22:32:41 its just a very big machine you work against and the odds against an independent are stacked Aug 03 22:33:26 but a tiny piece of grit can cause the whole thing to sieze :) how you doin today Aug 03 22:34:00 weird i guess Aug 03 22:35:01 bleugh. did i see you talkin emulators before? Aug 03 22:51:16 'night all Aug 03 22:52:41 gnite lbt Aug 03 23:35:30 is there any calendaring app for maemo better than gpe-calendar? Aug 03 23:37:32 mcalendar? Aug 03 23:37:41 don't know if is better though Aug 04 01:05:32 <[yzf600]> howdy Aug 04 01:05:41 <[yzf600]> I wrote a pygtk app for my maemo Aug 04 01:05:55 cool. Aug 04 01:06:04 <[yzf600]> It opens up port 21234 and listens for any connections Aug 04 01:06:12 <[yzf600]> I can't connect to it, however Aug 04 01:06:35 <[yzf600]> I have debugged the socket on my localhost (desktop) and it works like a charm Aug 04 01:06:54 waitaminute. does n810 gps give altitude info? Aug 04 01:06:54 <[yzf600]> the client just can't connect to the pygtk app on the maemo: socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') Aug 04 01:07:45 <[yzf600]> is there some network settings I need to tweak to get it to accept connections? Aug 04 01:08:19 I don't think so, are you sure the socket is listening? Aug 04 01:09:19 <[yzf600]> yea Aug 04 01:09:32 <[yzf600]> I'm pretty sure Aug 04 01:10:25 <[yzf600]> I set up a gobject for it: sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) Aug 04 01:10:29 <[yzf600]> sock.bind( (self.server_addr, self.rx_port) ) Aug 04 01:10:33 <[yzf600]> sock.listen(1) Aug 04 01:10:36 <[yzf600]> gobject.io_add_watch(sock, gobject.IO_IN, self.rx_data) Aug 04 01:11:20 I'm not into python programming, but I would do the following to check it, install netcat, run nc -lvvp 21234 and try to connect to it Aug 04 01:11:21 <[yzf600]> unless the gobject mechanism doesn't work the same on the maemo pygtk Aug 04 01:11:47 <[yzf600]> you mean run netcat on my 770? Aug 04 01:11:56 if you are unable to connect, then it means there's indeed something blocking the connection Aug 04 01:12:02 <[yzf600]> right Aug 04 01:12:11 yea, its available on extras Aug 04 01:12:19 <[yzf600]> ah yea Aug 04 01:12:20 <[yzf600]> thanks Aug 04 01:14:40 <[yzf600]> btw - does this work on a shell : apt-get install xxxx ? Aug 04 01:14:48 you need to get root access first Aug 04 01:14:57 <[yzf600]> right Aug 04 01:14:59 <[yzf600]> I am root Aug 04 01:15:11 it works :) Aug 04 01:15:33 <[yzf600]> would you happen to know what package netcat is on the gregale (n770) release ? Aug 04 01:15:47 <[yzf600]> apt-get install netcat didn't work Aug 04 01:15:57 apt-cache search netcat should tell you Aug 04 01:15:57 oh, don't know if its available for that version Aug 04 01:16:18 <[yzf600]> nope, no netcat for me Aug 04 01:16:27 though bef0rd is right, its most likely not standard Aug 04 01:16:37 theres a repo search site gronmayer or something Aug 04 01:16:52 i think you can filter to specific release repos Aug 04 01:18:25 <[yzf600]> ok Aug 04 01:18:40 looking however, it is only listing it for os2007 Aug 04 01:18:43 <[yzf600]> so I can put the client on the maemo and have it talk to the server on my desktop Aug 04 01:18:56 <[yzf600]> but putting the server on the maemo, and the client on the desktop does not work Aug 04 01:18:59 <[yzf600]> strange Aug 04 01:19:18 i have a python remote control app here which connects to my home computer Aug 04 01:19:43 on my 2008 machine it works everytiem theres a connection Aug 04 01:20:10 <[yzf600]> that sounds like the remote control app is a client and you desktop is the server Aug 04 01:21:06 yes Aug 04 01:21:39 the desktop listens for connections then sends keystrokes out to the app on top Aug 04 01:22:19 <[yzf600]> I'm confused Aug 04 01:22:49 <[yzf600]> do you press buttons on the nokia screen, and those are sent to your desktop where something is updated? Aug 04 01:23:11 yes - i play movies on my big screen computer and control them from the nokia Aug 04 01:23:19 <[yzf600]> oh - ok Aug 04 01:23:35 but thats what you just said you could flip your app to Aug 04 01:23:46 or did i mishear you Aug 04 01:23:52 <[yzf600]> I can get connections from the nokia - desktop Aug 04 01:23:58 <[yzf600]> but I can't get desktop -> nokia Aug 04 01:24:13 <[yzf600]> I'm thinking something in the network settings is blocking it Aug 04 01:24:23 <[yzf600]> perhaps I should try a different port number Aug 04 01:24:28 its most likely at your big computer end Aug 04 01:24:40 try running both the client and the server onm the nokia Aug 04 01:24:58 <[yzf600]> good idea Aug 04 01:24:59 try connecting via loopback Aug 04 01:25:23 <[yzf600]> both running local works Aug 04 01:25:39 is your desktop linux or windows? Aug 04 01:25:49 <[yzf600]> desktop linux Aug 04 01:26:16 heh, i know nothing about firewalls and networks in linux - but the tablet is pretty open on the network Aug 04 01:26:26 from what i can gather Aug 04 01:26:40 some routers block traffic from LAN to WLAN Aug 04 01:26:54 mine had an option for that Aug 04 01:27:05 yes, without explicit rules thats a possibility Aug 04 01:27:33 anyway, hope you get it working Aug 04 01:27:38 im off 2 bed Aug 04 01:27:45 <[yzf600]> my nokia does respond to pings and I can ssh into it Aug 04 01:27:47 <[yzf600]> hmm Aug 04 01:27:55 <[yzf600]> thanks for your suggestions Aug 04 01:28:02 ah ok Aug 04 01:28:08 night lcuk. Aug 04 01:28:29 <[yzf600]> different port (1234 instead of 21234) didn't help any Aug 04 01:28:31 <[yzf600]> hmm Aug 04 01:28:32 try a lower standard port - i know things like webservers work Aug 04 01:28:36 lol Aug 04 01:28:41 try starting it as root? Aug 04 01:28:45 openssh runs as root Aug 04 01:28:46 <[yzf600]> I am root Aug 04 01:28:51 oh. Aug 04 01:29:57 <[yzf600]> port 999 didn't work Aug 04 01:30:00 <[yzf600]> let me try 80 Aug 04 01:30:43 <[yzf600]> no luck with 80 Aug 04 01:30:56 try stoping ssh and using 22 :P Aug 04 01:30:59 <[yzf600]> yea Aug 04 01:34:31 <[yzf600]> whopse Aug 04 01:34:41 <[yzf600]> killed sshd before I fixed the file Aug 04 01:35:06 <[yzf600]> and vi is a bitch to use via xterm on nokia Aug 04 01:35:28 nano ftw Aug 04 01:38:38 <[yzf600]> hmm - I can't bind to port 22 - permission denied Aug 04 01:39:19 running as user? Aug 04 01:39:31 you need root or capabilities to bind below 1024 Aug 04 01:41:19 <[yzf600]> do Aug 04 01:41:21 <[yzf600]> soh Aug 04 01:41:23 <[yzf600]> doh Aug 04 01:41:32 <[yzf600]> didn't realize xterm runs as "user" Aug 04 01:57:31 <[yzf600]> nmap scan of nokia only shows 1 open port Aug 04 01:57:50 <[yzf600]> port 22 Aug 04 01:58:11 <[yzf600]> iptables show up empty Aug 04 01:58:34 <[yzf600]> I wonder why port 22 is open, but my app running at 1234 can't be seen Aug 04 01:58:38 <[yzf600]> strange Aug 04 01:59:09 <[yzf600]> anyone know of any other apps for the nokia that accept socket connections? Aug 04 01:59:12 <[yzf600]> besides ssh? Aug 04 02:00:09 bomerman Aug 04 02:00:14 bomberman* Aug 04 02:00:47 did you install nc? Aug 04 02:01:45 <[yzf600]> nc isn't available for os2006 I think Aug 04 02:02:54 <[yzf600]> ehhh - I have to go to bed Aug 04 02:03:07 <[yzf600]> perhaps the solution will come to me in my sleep :) Aug 04 02:03:19 ok Aug 04 02:03:26 did you check gronmayer repos list? Aug 04 02:03:34 <[yzf600]> thanks bef0rd Aug 04 02:03:44 <[yzf600]> I'll check those tomorrow Aug 04 02:04:14 ok Aug 04 02:04:17 night Aug 04 02:12:10 Awesome . . . Barrage nuked my Application menu. Aug 04 02:14:51 what happened? Aug 04 02:16:16 Didn't install cleanly and now the application menu is blank. Aug 04 02:17:11 it worked for me Aug 04 02:17:13 did you have some error message? (i packaged barrage) Aug 04 02:17:41 Didn't bother to check the logs, just 'Install failed'. Aug 04 02:19:45 try update-desktop-database, though i'm not sure if that is even related Aug 04 02:20:55 /usr/share/applications/hildon has .desktop files there? Aug 04 02:22:55 'No directories in update-desktop-database search path could be processed and updated.' Aug 04 02:22:58 Yes Aug 04 02:23:17 Wonder if I've got fs corruption. Aug 04 02:23:49 that update thing shouldn't return anything Aug 04 02:24:13 apt-getting it for a real log. Aug 04 02:26:24 PATH is messed up. . . . Aug 04 02:26:50 Hrm, maybe that shit gphoto2 package that stuck all of its stuff in /usr/local/ Aug 04 02:27:08 Apologies, mikkov_, for the misfired accusation. Aug 04 02:27:26 that's ok Aug 04 02:28:55 so gphoto2 did something nasty? Aug 04 02:29:15 Likely, don't feel like poking at the package on the tablet. Aug 04 02:29:43 Check it out and maybe send a nasty letter to the packager if its screwy Aug 04 02:30:01 Once I get back to a real machine. Aug 04 02:30:25 Either way, packages putting stuff in /usr/local/ is BAD BAD BAD. Aug 04 02:31:03 Somebody want to pastebin their /etc/profile for me? Aug 04 02:32:52 http://pastebin.com/m44700e30 Aug 04 02:33:35 lines are a little bit screwed Aug 04 02:34:52 Hrm, same thing here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 04 02:59:56 2008