**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 06 03:00:02 2008 Aug 06 03:17:21 mranostay: autobuilder is the extras upload/promotion interface Aug 06 03:17:27 ~autobuilder Aug 06 03:17:31 hrm Aug 06 03:17:48 i'll have X-Fade set that later ;P Aug 06 03:18:34 I just cleaned so many dishes that we ran out of hot water <_< Aug 06 03:18:47 and my hands feel funny O_o Aug 06 04:21:15 Sweet... only 2 grey hairs from trying to get this working. http://www.rit.albany.edu/~ew2193/bookmarklets/ Aug 06 05:20:46 bookmarlets ftw Aug 06 05:23:15 hey all Aug 06 05:27:01 hi Aug 06 05:30:09 how's it going, bef0rd Aug 06 05:31:27 great, trying to get a friend register a couple of domains for me :P Aug 06 05:31:50 * bef0rd doesn't have credit card .. nor money Aug 06 05:34:09 ahh Aug 06 05:34:55 * teamcobra has 1 left, paying it all off, not using it again ;p Aug 06 06:15:41 KILL KILL DESTROY Aug 06 06:19:07 Hi! Aug 06 06:22:18 hello zap Aug 06 06:23:19 Buenas, ¿cuantos usuarios de maemo son hispanohablantes? Aug 06 06:24:28 no hispanohablantes here, sorry Aug 06 06:43:21 I are the only one :| Aug 06 06:43:29 I'm the one :o Aug 06 06:43:33 Good evening gentlemen! Aug 06 06:45:55 Hey, I'm trying to install python2.5 from the instructions I'm reading. Does that mean python2.5-sdk in red pill mode? Aug 06 06:46:36 what instructions are you reading? Aug 06 06:46:43 http://mrrau.dyndns.org:23280/n800/kciconsbox/readme.txt Aug 06 06:47:34 eh, that's the script you are trying to run, isn't it? Aug 06 06:48:12 I'm just trying to run wmctrl, I could care less about anything else but it seems like I need that as well. Aug 06 06:49:34 I've done everything except for the requirements... the python2.5 and the pygtk thingie. Aug 06 06:50:59 So when it says requirements python2.5, does that mean python2.5-sdk? Aug 06 06:51:16 There's like so many to choose from in red pill mode. Aug 06 06:52:27 do you see python2.5-runtime? Aug 06 06:53:44 No, it goes from python2.5-pyrex to python2.5-sdk. I'm using a clean Diablo flash by the way. Aug 06 06:55:14 I found python-launcher which has an icon next to it. Is that the junk needed? Aug 06 06:58:39 Addison: try installing some python app from chinook extras Aug 06 06:58:42 hmm Aug 06 06:58:47 bank works again. Aug 06 06:58:52 that should get you a working python Aug 06 07:02:33 "there was a nokia 7710 taken from the car. we have its tracking numbers." Aug 06 07:02:42 Okay, working on it somumaha... Aug 06 07:05:35 Addison: i'm not sure if python has made it's way to diablo yet but chinook should work just fine Aug 06 07:08:00 I'm not finding "Chinook Extras" over at gronmayer. If even typed it in the search field and it said "nothing was found for "chinook extras" in OS 2008. Aug 06 07:08:24 ~wiki Aug 06 07:08:30 * bef0rd slaps infobot Aug 06 07:08:42 Addison, wiki.maemo.org Aug 06 07:08:48 search there for 'extras' Aug 06 07:08:54 it tells you how to enable it Aug 06 07:09:01 Okay, will do. Thanks! Aug 06 07:09:18 X-Fade: are you there? Aug 06 07:09:34 infobot, learn wiki as http://wiki.maemo.org/ Aug 06 07:09:49 erhm well, I tried. Aug 06 07:14:04 I already have maemo Extras and Maemo Extras Develpoment available as catalogues. Aug 06 07:15:11 I'll be right back. As always, trying to use this tablet forces me to take a break and have a smoke outside. I'm really beginning to hate this piece. :) Aug 06 07:15:36 I think I'm gonna get that maemo vmware image Aug 06 07:15:51 seems like I need to compile from source the roadmap application in CVS Aug 06 07:20:14 mogning Aug 06 07:21:50 morning Aug 06 07:23:02 good moaning Aug 06 07:25:51 alsa mixers are too complicated Aug 06 07:26:33 to make last.fm louder I have to operate last.fm player volume + pcm volume + master volume + front volume Aug 06 07:26:48 4 sliders just to make it louder.. Aug 06 07:27:04 and I do not count volume slider on speakers.. Aug 06 07:27:29 * aquatix just uses the volume slider on his speakers Aug 06 07:27:37 easier :) Aug 06 07:29:01 not here - it is not easily reachable Aug 06 07:30:15 ah Aug 06 07:30:46 * aquatix has a wired remote with a conveniently large round volume slider Aug 06 07:30:50 hello everyone Aug 06 07:31:00 how are we this fine morning? Aug 06 07:31:05 sleepy Aug 06 07:31:18 :( Aug 06 07:31:44 hungry Aug 06 07:32:21 Trencher|: i might benefit from going to sleep earlier ;) Aug 06 07:32:35 maybe lol Aug 06 07:32:45 so Aug 06 07:33:01 i still can't fix the broken perl support in scratchbox Aug 06 07:33:16 It's cool. Here is 9am ^^ Aug 06 07:33:24 lol Aug 06 07:33:31 12:34 am here Aug 06 07:33:35 just got off work Aug 06 07:34:29 2:34 am Aug 06 07:34:33 here Aug 06 07:35:24 Where are you from...? Ukraine, Kenya? Aug 06 07:35:26 9:34 am Aug 06 07:35:37 ~maemowiki Aug 06 07:35:53 infobot, learn maemowiki as http://wiki.maemo.org Aug 06 07:35:58 .. Aug 06 07:36:16 LOL! Aug 06 07:36:28 infobot me odia. Aug 06 07:36:30 moi? Aug 06 07:36:35 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3010/2722501352_09d5e4f567_o.jpg Aug 06 07:36:38 oui Aug 06 07:36:57 can someone help me with perl in scratchbox? Aug 06 07:37:00 has modest development stopped? Aug 06 07:37:16 wiza: yeah, was wondering that too Aug 06 07:37:27 it's not working very well and there hasn't been many updates to diablo at all Aug 06 07:38:22 is the wiki supposed to be broken in firefox? Aug 06 07:38:25 for any software that matter... Aug 06 07:38:39 o, ok Aug 06 07:38:40 lol Aug 06 07:38:48 wiza: yeah :( Aug 06 07:38:57 wiza: maybe people *do* have real vacations :) Aug 06 07:39:16 vacations are just so you can code through the night without having to go to work next day Aug 06 07:39:19 :P Aug 06 07:39:29 bef0rd, lol, are you spanish? Aug 06 07:39:30 srs Aug 06 07:39:38 aquatix: I was thinking about that Aug 06 07:39:58 not from spain, but my native language is spanish indeed. Aug 06 07:39:59 Stskeeps: yeah, i'd say so, but maybe people beg to differ Aug 06 07:41:11 I already spent my 4 weeks summer vacation Aug 06 07:41:37 bef0rd, tus padres eran españoles? o en algunas partes en el sur de USA también se habla Aug 06 07:42:02 but since I'm changing jobs I spend my 1 week winter vacation last week of august, also changing city so not really vacation :p Aug 06 07:42:06 not from states either ( o se dice neither? ) Aug 06 07:42:44 I'm from Colombia. Aug 06 07:42:49 Creo que significan lo mismo, como til' y until. Aug 06 07:43:13 I'm surprised by amount of people at ITt speaking spanish Aug 06 07:43:23 :( Aug 06 07:43:23 yea, only you and me Aug 06 07:43:38 oh, the forums you mean? I'm not registered there Aug 06 07:43:42 noone? Aug 06 07:43:46 lol Aug 06 07:44:03 crashandie does too Aug 06 07:44:41 oh, I've seen him/her here too, didn't know it Aug 06 07:45:00 Trencher|, what are you trying to get? additional modules? Aug 06 07:46:09 I know people from there, bef0rd , but in spain people are eaten by stereotypes. They think colombians are all drug trafficants. How sad... Aug 06 07:46:24 aren't they? Aug 06 07:46:26 * aquatix runs Aug 06 07:46:36 lol Aug 06 07:46:48 :p Aug 06 07:47:05 yea, I don't really plan to travel to spain anyway :P Aug 06 07:47:09 i am trying to build programs with perl support Aug 06 07:47:10 but Aug 06 07:47:26 is that maemo vmware image really 10gb big? Aug 06 07:47:30 if perl is called in scratchbox, it pulls the i686 build, not the armel build Aug 06 07:47:40 I'd be a guide 8-) Aug 06 07:47:52 liri: i know i downloaded at least 3gb installing scratchbox... Aug 06 07:47:54 I've a half brother there, thanks anyway :P Aug 06 07:48:13 Trencher|: so it's that big eh? Aug 06 07:48:24 Spanish is the new italian Aug 06 07:48:31 (se dira asi, medio hermano? o pensaran que es un hermano partido por la mitad?) Aug 06 07:48:31 liri: and that's not including debian Aug 06 07:48:34 Trencher|: I'm low on space on this desktop machine so I guess I'll have to put it somewhere else Aug 06 07:48:38 Trencher|: yickes Aug 06 07:48:44 Trencher|: have you got it already up and running? Aug 06 07:49:21 liri: this isn't vm. had debian, installed scratchbox. Works fine. I believe the vm is linux + scratchbox preconfiged Aug 06 07:49:36 bef0rd, looooool. Se dice asi, te referiras a hermanastro.. Aug 06 07:50:00 sep, aca es mas común el termino 'medio hermano' Aug 06 07:50:16 bef0rd: if perl is called in scratchbox, it pulls the i686 build, not the armel build Aug 06 07:50:33 Trencher|: ahh Aug 06 07:50:45 Trencher|, I read that but I dont know what you mean heh Aug 06 07:50:47 * bef0rd checks Aug 06 07:51:12 Trencher|: is there a wiki page on getting a plain debian install with scratchbox? Aug 06 07:51:33 bef0rd: when i login to scratchbox (ARMEL target) it's supposed to be a ARMEL system so i can build for ARMEL, right? Aug 06 07:51:33 o i c Aug 06 07:51:35 [sbox-DIABLO_ARMEL: ~] > perl -v Aug 06 07:51:35 This is perl, v5.8.4 built for i686-linux-thread-multi Aug 06 07:51:39 yes. Aug 06 07:51:43 i want.. Aug 06 07:51:48 armel perl Aug 06 07:51:55 let me ssh into 770 Aug 06 07:51:56 lol Aug 06 07:52:13 [root@nokia ~]# perl -v Aug 06 07:52:13 This is perl, v5.8.3 built for arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi Aug 06 07:52:28 i can get that in the scratchbox Aug 06 07:52:32 it's in /usr/bin Aug 06 07:52:46 my spanish is pretty much only "una grande cerveza por favor" Aug 06 07:52:47 perl is supposed to be crossplatform, why do you *really* need the arm bin? Aug 06 07:53:02 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > perl5.8.3 -v Aug 06 07:53:03 This is perl, v5.8.3 built for arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi Aug 06 07:53:05 because Aug 06 07:53:09 if i build something in ARMEL Aug 06 07:53:18 and it calls the i686 perl Aug 06 07:53:20 build as in? Aug 06 07:53:21 it doesn't build Aug 06 07:53:25 irssi Aug 06 07:53:29 wiza, cerveza grande instead please lol Aug 06 07:53:31 i might try something different... Aug 06 07:53:49 Binky: whups :) Aug 06 07:53:51 see, the perl built in maemo and the devices Aug 06 07:53:55 doesn't have libperl-devb Aug 06 07:53:57 doesn't have libperl-dev Aug 06 07:54:02 Oh, btw, i downloaed windows flasher for ITs and wants to install Diablo on my ITs Aug 06 07:54:02 and it's not available in repos Aug 06 07:54:05 so i built Aug 06 07:54:07 perl Aug 06 07:54:11 and got libperl-dev Aug 06 07:54:15 ok let me check something Aug 06 07:54:18 but that may have broken my perl Aug 06 07:54:24 so let me try in a different target.. Aug 06 07:54:33 Binky: been meaning to start learning spanish when I have time Aug 06 07:54:55 I know, win sucks, but my pc is broken, i use one of a friend Aug 06 07:55:13 Binky: surprise your friend and install linux :D Aug 06 07:55:27 when in doubt, put linux on it Aug 06 07:55:32 * Binky wants to learn playing banjo Aug 06 07:55:44 put linux on that banjo too Aug 06 07:55:51 and put yourself in a bigger doubt Aug 06 07:55:54 liri: what do you mean? a vm or installing scratchbox onto debian? Aug 06 07:56:02 I'll present him a friend called Knoppix Aug 06 07:56:10 Binky, el instalador de windows es mas facil Aug 06 07:56:26 lol Aug 06 07:56:48 linux on the banjo would rock Aug 06 07:56:51 chelli: pong Aug 06 07:57:01 bef0rd, si, pero me quiere instalar diablo , que solo va para n8x0 y yo tengo la 770 Aug 06 07:57:50 Os deseo suerte Aug 06 07:58:06 descarga de tablets-dev.nokia.com the hacker edition Aug 06 07:58:12 i'm gonna reset the targer Aug 06 07:58:12 liri, would be funnier than the instructions to install linux on a dead badger Aug 06 07:58:16 *target Aug 06 07:58:17 and try again Aug 06 07:58:18 "You're just like my brother. When he borrows a computer, this mysterious black window appears and he uses that. I never see it when I use it" Aug 06 07:58:19 mranostay: Still there? Aug 06 07:58:31 bef0rd, i prefer os2006 Aug 06 07:58:32 LOL Aug 06 07:58:39 that is a awesome quote Aug 06 07:59:14 haha, Y eso que me lo dijiste en español, y lo entendi mal :) Aug 06 07:59:28 Lol Aug 06 07:59:31 entendi que *querias* instalar diablo en el 770 Aug 06 08:00:02 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php Aug 06 08:00:14 Eso es lo que quiere el flasheador Aug 06 08:00:54 Yeah, I got it. The deal is, I dont know if the current Windows flashers supports flashing 770, or only n8x0 Aug 06 08:01:03 Yes, eso baje, la imagen, pero ese flasher me baja automticamente Diablo Aug 06 08:01:23 there is an option there to select the firmware rom Aug 06 08:01:25 That's it Aug 06 08:01:43 But it says the .bin is not valid Aug 06 08:01:57 ok, that probably means that its not compatible Aug 06 08:01:58 hi Aug 06 08:02:07 or the rom is corrupted Aug 06 08:02:14 did you check md5sums? Aug 06 08:02:23 Macor, hi...! Aug 06 08:02:53 bef0rd, i never knew the use of that file, lol Aug 06 08:03:46 :P Aug 06 08:04:02 i had to go the kde route instead of nit-debian Aug 06 08:04:14 What should i check Aug 06 08:04:31 debian is very nice but it needs the hw support Aug 06 08:04:53 * bef0rd busca la ayuda divina Aug 06 08:05:36 * Binky gives bef0rd ilumination Aug 06 08:05:42 if it had the hardware working as well as maemo then it would be an easy replacement Aug 06 08:06:09 alsa and bt tethering don't easily work :) Aug 06 08:06:42 Macor KDE works better? Aug 06 08:06:48 once they get those working i would use nit-debian and never look back Aug 06 08:06:55 Binky, did you get the software from here http://europe.nokia.com/770/support ? Aug 06 08:06:55 yes Aug 06 08:07:11 mostly because it uses maemo Aug 06 08:07:28 so the hardware works properly Aug 06 08:07:45 it just replaces hildon with itself Aug 06 08:08:05 that's what I was wondering, proper wifi, bt, hw support Aug 06 08:08:21 printing.. bt tethering.. sound.. all work Aug 06 08:08:35 I mean, with nit-debian Aug 06 08:08:39 you can print from koffice Aug 06 08:09:46 bef0rd, 404 Aug 06 08:10:19 http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 Aug 06 08:11:12 I did, yes Aug 06 08:11:16 bef0rd ... nit is great except the bt is a bith Aug 06 08:11:23 err Aug 06 08:11:38 really quick, what is "United States of America" in Spanish? Aug 06 08:11:47 and the alsa config is screwed and i couldnt figure out why Aug 06 08:12:02 I'm trying to buy something from a website in Uruguay >_> Aug 06 08:12:02 Estados Unidos de America Aug 06 08:12:05 ah k Aug 06 08:12:13 I know ZERO spanish Aug 06 08:12:18 this is interesting Aug 06 08:12:36 Spanish is amusing Aug 06 08:12:38 although USA gets used alot too Aug 06 08:12:47 meh Aug 06 08:12:47 in this case it was just Estados Unidos Aug 06 08:13:00 bef0rd, que demonios significa amusing? Lol Aug 06 08:13:01 bef0rd: i'm going to reinstall scratchbox and see if that fixes it Aug 06 08:13:01 bah i dont know which fields to put my address in >_> Aug 06 08:13:22 rm_you, there are another united states? Aug 06 08:13:25 I may need to wait till I go back to Texas and get one of my friends that speaks spanish to order this for me Aug 06 08:13:32 when running ./configure, it crashes on trying to compile something using the dynaloader, saying something about symbols Aug 06 08:13:32 Estados unidos arabes creo Aug 06 08:13:42 hrm Aug 06 08:13:49 bef0rd, you win... Aug 06 08:14:09 is that united arab emirates (UAE)? Aug 06 08:14:13 But it is United EMIRATES Aug 06 08:14:22 Yes, it is Aug 06 08:14:25 heh Aug 06 08:14:35 I are the win Aug 06 08:14:42 LOL Aug 06 08:14:57 I was on a forum yesterday that banned the word "Arab" as hate-speech >_< Aug 06 08:15:36 how can i tell what version of os i have on my tablet from the prompt Aug 06 08:15:37 ? Aug 06 08:15:41 I was under the impression that "Arab" is the actual word for someone from that region <_< Aug 06 08:16:02 Trencher|: well Aug 06 08:16:21 Trencher|: apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx34 Aug 06 08:16:24 cuz device info has none none none lol Aug 06 08:16:32 if that comes up No Package Found, it is Chinook? Aug 06 08:16:36 else Diablo? Aug 06 08:16:38 <_< Aug 06 08:16:43 rm_you , isn't it? Aug 06 08:16:46 Maybe they're jealous to african americans change of name every two days Aug 06 08:16:48 well... i guess that only helps with 2008 Aug 06 08:16:52 uname -a ? Aug 06 08:16:55 Binky: yes, i still think so Aug 06 08:17:16 Binky: i think they are just strange, or someone didnt think that policy through much Aug 06 08:17:22 I think nokia upgraded kernels on every version Aug 06 08:17:37 unable to locate package Aug 06 08:17:39 so chinook? Aug 06 08:17:41 ok Aug 06 08:17:46 then i was building for the right platform Aug 06 08:17:47 lol Aug 06 08:18:15 In spanish, sometimes is used as a despective, arabe/moro arab/nigger Aug 06 08:18:28 hrm Aug 06 08:18:34 well, it is a US website Aug 06 08:18:44 but maybe the person that wrote the rule spoke spanish <_< Aug 06 08:19:47 Or maybe their server is revealing against themselves and killing them Aug 06 08:20:03 time to open my time wasting program Aug 06 08:20:06 while i wait for install Aug 06 08:20:10 rm_you: more likely the person was stupid Aug 06 08:20:12 :) Cortex Command Aug 06 08:20:17 internet explorer! Aug 06 08:20:24 no, 4chan is down Aug 06 08:20:27 lol x 3 Aug 06 08:20:27 so nothing to do there Aug 06 08:20:42 rm_you: is "towelhead" banned as well? =) Aug 06 08:21:00 I cried when 4chan was haxed Aug 06 08:21:00 Man, i just saw an ad of That 70's Show with a Van Halen song Aug 06 08:21:03 RST38h: not in the list <_< Aug 06 08:21:09 (just kidding) Aug 06 08:21:21 rm_you: See? They are basically encouraging you to use towelhead instead of arab Aug 06 08:21:33 lol Aug 06 08:21:34 Binky, descaro el update wizard que segun esa pagina es compatible con el n770? ( y los firmware supongo) Aug 06 08:21:39 descargo Aug 06 08:21:40 * Aug 06 08:21:50 ah! what is "descargo"? i see that a lot Aug 06 08:21:54 and even if they ban that, there is a whole Cyrillic charset with As and Bs... ;))) Aug 06 08:21:57 Downlod Aug 06 08:22:01 ah :P Aug 06 08:22:24 rm_you: BTW, try it - see how pissed moderators will become ;) Aug 06 08:22:39 i'd rather not be banned :P Aug 06 08:22:45 try it Aug 06 08:22:45 Erm.. Do you have 770? I don't want to bother =) Aug 06 08:22:55 no I don't Aug 06 08:22:59 rm_you: Well, you are not doing anything prohibited by forum rules, right? Aug 06 08:23:19 RST38h: it says "no hatespeech" and has a list... i assume the list is not inclusive Aug 06 08:24:10 hello Aug 06 08:24:19 bef0rd, y porque lo descargarias entonces? Aug 06 08:24:29 samppa, hi! Aug 06 08:24:30 eh? Aug 06 08:24:36 le pregunte si usted lo descargo Aug 06 08:24:53 Ahhhhhh Aug 06 08:24:53 tal vez no use los acentos adecuados Aug 06 08:24:54 im trying to build a package for diablo with autobuilder but i keep getting errors like: Failed to fetch http://osso.stage.dmz/pool/maemo4.1/free/libx/libxrender/libxrender-dev_0.9.2-1osso1_armel.deb 401 Authorization Required Aug 06 08:25:00 and so on Aug 06 08:25:04 Binky, bef0rd: Please try to keep conversations in english. Aug 06 08:25:06 there is no bug reported on this one Aug 06 08:25:19 X-Fade, i'll do Aug 06 08:25:23 rm_you: So, the goal is to word things in a way that does not formally represent hate speech but is =) Aug 06 08:25:27 X-Fade: can you set ~autobuilder? :P Aug 06 08:25:35 samppa: Let me look what is going on.. Aug 06 08:25:50 okey Aug 06 08:25:52 thanx Aug 06 08:25:57 also, who was it that was in charge of the wiki account thing? (his nick here) Aug 06 08:26:48 bef0rd, i'm not (acostumbrado) to people talk me of (usted). But yes, i downloaded that one Aug 06 08:26:54 X-Fade, ok, sorry, no problem Aug 06 08:27:21 X-Fade, i didn't know how to translate those words Aug 06 08:27:33 bef0rd: It is no problem ;) It is just nice for everybody to be able to learn from what you discuss. Aug 06 08:28:20 Binky, well, it *should* work then Aug 06 08:29:00 X-Fade: sometimes i get size mismatch error which should be under fixing but now im gettin that authorization required error... Aug 06 08:29:06 Binky, download md5sum.exe for windows, and check the file Aug 06 08:29:15 samppa: They are 2 different problems. Aug 06 08:29:16 Ok Aug 06 08:29:44 X-Fade: yep but those both still occur Aug 06 08:30:16 Btw, what is 770 battery model (same as N800) Aug 06 08:30:38 bp-5l Aug 06 08:31:01 samppa: Size mismatch is because someone uploaded the same package twice without changing the version number. Aug 06 08:31:35 samppa, thank you Aug 06 08:31:38 samppa: The 401 is because of a problem in the export control of the repository server. Aug 06 08:32:55 X-Fade: anyways, idea of autobuilder is good but it should be working before it is the only way to upload to diablo extras Aug 06 08:33:52 samppa: Well, it was ;) But since there wasn't any large scale testing by the community, we find these problems now. Aug 06 08:34:01 samppa: Remember it is a community effort. Aug 06 08:34:51 X-Fade: yeah i try to keep that in my mind :) Aug 06 08:36:04 X-Fade: should we fill a bug of this ? Aug 06 08:36:08 samppa: I'm going to resubmit your package to the builder to see if I can reproduce it. Aug 06 08:36:15 Binky, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithwindows/ that's what I was reading, all the links seem to work from here Aug 06 08:37:50 Taking a look... Aug 06 08:38:24 X-Fade: ok, im not sure if it will build ok now but it would be nice to get atleast to the compiling phase to see what is it still missing.. :) Aug 06 08:41:44 bef0rd, that's what i did Aug 06 08:41:57 that's what she said Aug 06 08:42:16 Binky, did you check md5sums? Aug 06 08:42:56 I can not a this moment, i am not able to use the computer Aug 06 08:43:47 But i have not the original nokia usb cable Aug 06 08:44:22 I could be wrong, but I think its a generic usb cable Aug 06 08:44:29 Binky: any miniusb cable is ok Aug 06 08:44:55 I do not even know where I have original 770 cable Aug 06 08:44:55 hallo Aug 06 08:45:00 This will install the update wizard and the Nokia USB cable driver if needed Aug 06 08:45:09 If it needs a driver... Aug 06 08:45:16 lardman, hiii Aug 06 08:45:41 Binky, the windows way is clicking, next, next, next :P Aug 06 08:46:15 hrw, he is trying to flash a 770 with windows, but he is having problems loading the firmware on the nokia software updater, have you had any experience doing it? Aug 06 08:46:24 Yeez Aug 06 08:47:09 hrw had enough with my troubles a few days ago... Aug 06 08:47:41 bef0rd: never used windows to flash tablet Aug 06 08:48:24 I've never got it to work Aug 06 08:49:07 * qwerty12 has used flasher-3.0, 0xFFFF & the windows flasher fine to flash 'is N800 :/ Aug 06 08:49:38 Wtf is 0xFFFF? Aug 06 08:50:09 I believe its a mac flasher Aug 06 08:50:20 open source flasher, check Garage Aug 06 08:50:20 mac based flasher tool Aug 06 08:50:24 0xffff is not mac Aug 06 08:50:27 ah ok Aug 06 08:50:33 it is opensourced nokia flasher Aug 06 08:50:47 reverse engineered isn't it? Aug 06 08:50:48 but cannot use fiasco images iirc Aug 06 08:50:54 hrw: yep Aug 06 08:52:39 hrw: I thought it can flash FIASCO. Aug 06 08:52:48 hrw: It can even build them. Aug 06 08:55:21 Binky, http://www.cduv.org/2006/06/10/actualizando-el-so-del-nokia-770-a-la-nueva-beta-2006-desde-windows/ Aug 06 08:56:31 X-Fade: o.. I did not followed it too much. nice to know Aug 06 08:59:25 hrw: He even seems to have created a gui for it. ;) Aug 06 09:09:09 no still doesn't work Aug 06 09:09:20 /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format Aug 06 09:09:21 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Aug 06 09:10:06 Morning, all Aug 06 09:10:16 nice, looks like those TomTom RDS receivers are simply serial devices Aug 06 09:10:19 hi Jaffa Aug 06 09:10:34 I wonder if the headphone jack could be driven as a serial port Aug 06 09:10:55 might be easier to do some soldering and use a usb-serial converter Aug 06 09:11:07 lardman: Well, TV-out is possible via the jack. Aug 06 09:11:16 really?! Aug 06 09:11:31 Sure. Aug 06 09:11:54 :) do you have a link to some discussion/etc? Aug 06 09:12:37 lardman: Same 4 pole jack as N95, same cpu. Support in kernel is only for a smaller framebuffer IIRC. Aug 06 09:12:59 X-Fade: cool Aug 06 09:13:24 lardman: Check the omap sources ;) Aug 06 09:13:33 X-Fade: will do :) Aug 06 09:13:40 lardman: Although I don't want to put you on yet another project. Aug 06 09:13:49 ah, that's made my morning far nicer :) Aug 06 09:14:06 X-Fade: I think there will be enough other people interested in getting it done Aug 06 09:14:15 lardman: We've discussed this on #maemo before? Aug 06 09:14:24 X-Fade: wow, sounds cool. Aug 06 09:14:26 I don't think so, at least I don't remember Aug 06 09:15:01 tv-out via headphones...hmmm . o O ( ??? ) Aug 06 09:15:30 mornin folks Aug 06 09:15:36 X-Fade: so the mic input can be switched to TV out or something? Aug 06 09:15:45 lcuk: sounds like it will output your internal framebuffer Aug 06 09:15:58 lcuk: which is available as a framebuffer already iirc? Aug 06 09:16:07 that sounds neat Aug 06 09:16:09 morning lcuk Aug 06 09:16:13 NOOOO my internal framebuffer dances to its own tune. my thoughts are private etc. Aug 06 09:16:16 X-Fade: you've opened a can or worms now ;) :) Aug 06 09:16:21 ooooooh, you meant the framebuffer on my nokia Aug 06 09:16:40 lcuk: yeah, the other would be 18 rated Aug 06 09:16:41 lardman: Really, this has all been discussed before. Aug 06 09:16:52 Hmm Aug 06 09:16:57 lardman: It was even in the leaked omap hardware diagram iirc? Aug 06 09:17:05 X-Fade: oh well, I must have missed it Aug 06 09:17:09 lardman, the other one has been censored and is not up for sale any more :( Aug 06 09:17:26 X-Fade: what I assumed, from the various emails, etc., was that some hardware solder point was missing Aug 06 09:17:40 yes i thought so as well Aug 06 09:19:15 I seem to recall that someone measured it? Aug 06 09:20:50 http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/linux-omap-open-source/2007-April/009599.html slightly different chip, but presumably there's the logic in this source, if it's not in the Nokia source already Aug 06 09:20:59 thats certainly very interesting if possible. but was certain all the outputs were boarded up. where does the audio output come from - is it directly from the omap package or is it another discrete amp? Aug 06 09:21:21 qwerty12: ping Aug 06 09:22:05 lcuk: I assumed it was directly wired to the hardware codec, but that was an assumption Aug 06 09:22:25 Didn't anyone write a wiki page? Aug 06 09:23:33 lardman: do these TMC receivers also spit out the other RDS data? Aug 06 09:23:40 The needed cable is the CA-75U btw. Aug 06 09:24:00 is that standard? I've got one with a PMP Aug 06 09:24:11 at least it's 3.5mm to video out Aug 06 09:24:23 lardman: 4 pole? Aug 06 09:24:24 plug the bugger in then lardman Aug 06 09:24:33 nomis: no idea, but probably not Aug 06 09:24:39 lcuk: when I get home Aug 06 09:24:44 X-Fade: yes Aug 06 09:24:44 lardman: seems that some of the models are actually quite cheap. Aug 06 09:24:57 nomis: yeah, ~£20, I thought I might get one and do some hacking Aug 06 09:25:13 lardman: any progress on a2dp? =) Aug 06 09:25:15 http://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2006/04/zen-vision-m-video-cable-other-4pole-35mm-pinouts.php Aug 06 09:25:20 nomis: will have to work out the data format, and the location codes are still somewhat unknown Aug 06 09:25:34 It seems that it has the same pinout as the Creative Zen Vision. Aug 06 09:25:34 X-Fade: cool, that's the sort of thing Aug 06 09:26:01 And otherwise you need to cut and rewire ;) Aug 06 09:26:15 ah, I see Aug 06 09:27:20 lardman: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genuine-Nokia-Cable-CA-75U-N958GB/dp/B000ZOBR58 :) Aug 06 09:27:48 3.75 ukp, free shipping. Aug 06 09:28:09 I wonder if there is any cable coding going on to be able to detect if there is a headset or a tv cable connected. Aug 06 09:28:44 nomis: There is probably a resistance difference. Aug 06 09:28:48 I'll see if I can nick one from a friend who had an N82 (or whichever was also omap2420) Aug 06 09:32:00 X-Fade: I;'ve added video out to http://wiki.maemo.org/Questions_for_Nokia#Hardware_support_questions Aug 06 09:32:08 :D Aug 06 09:32:27 lardman: ;) Aug 06 09:32:28 lcuk: well we do seem to be getting anwers, so it's working as hoped :) Aug 06 09:33:45 nomis: http://www.phrack.org/issues.html?issue=64&id=5#article Aug 06 09:33:46 yer 100% agree Aug 06 09:34:02 lcuk: so anyway, i found some decent ghostscript packages for chinook that work in diablo (compiling it was dependency hell, so i gave up), and i have a commandline that does a decent job of jpegizing a pdf Aug 06 09:34:36 still working on getting it formatted perfectly, and optimizing the size (large...) Aug 06 09:34:50 nomis: and this regarding those 3.5mm TomTom devices: http://www.opentom.org/Hardware_TMC Aug 06 09:36:12 rm_you, nows not really the best time to run over this - im at work and cant really go over anything major. do you wanna mail me with info and a binary and ill see if i can get it picking stuff up for you Aug 06 09:36:36 what res is it btw? cos ive been stretchblitting 4096*4096 quite rapidly Aug 06 09:36:40 lcuk: eh its fine i can talk to you when you get home Aug 06 09:36:46 lcuk: i set the res in the comandline Aug 06 09:37:15 200ppi seems to be legible Aug 06 09:37:27 the images end up being... Aug 06 09:37:31 * rm_you checks Aug 06 09:37:36 lardman|coffee: thanks. Aug 06 09:37:47 wow 2MB/s from maemo.org Aug 06 09:37:48 mmmmmm coffee Aug 06 09:38:03 lardman|coffee, pong Aug 06 09:38:26 qwerty12: could you look at your n810 diagram and tell us what the headphone jack is attached to, I don't have one handy Aug 06 09:39:07 searching... Aug 06 09:39:19 lcuk: 1700x2200 per page Aug 06 09:39:25 lcuk: at this res Aug 06 09:39:26 thanks, will bbiab Aug 06 09:39:45 ok Aug 06 09:39:50 this is making no sense.. Aug 06 09:39:50 perl: /usr/bin/perl /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/X11R6/bin/perl /usr/bin/X11/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz Aug 06 09:39:55 lcuk: 1700x2200 pixels at 200x200ppi Aug 06 09:40:00 err Aug 06 09:40:03 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > whereis perl Aug 06 09:40:03 perl: /usr/bin/perl /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl /usr/X11R6/bin/perl /usr/bin/X11/perl /usr/share/perl /usr/share/man/man1/perl.1.gz Aug 06 09:40:06 qwerty12: since you're doing a lot of kernel stuffs - did anyone succeed with kexec? Aug 06 09:40:12 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > perl -v Aug 06 09:40:12 This is perl, v5.8.4 built for i686-linux-thread-multi Aug 06 09:40:17 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > ./perl -v Aug 06 09:40:18 This is perl, v5.8.3 built for arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi Aug 06 09:40:19 wat Aug 06 09:40:19 rm_you, the only problem with that i see is loading time perpage Aug 06 09:40:27 lcuk: yeah i'm working on it... Aug 06 09:40:29 Stskeeps, No, fanoush is working on it though from what I read last time Aug 06 09:40:37 Trencher|, check PATH? Aug 06 09:40:43 not your fault though Aug 06 09:40:44 lcuk: need to figure out how to optimize this so that i can produce readable text at much lower ppi Aug 06 09:40:56 I was actually checking that there is indeed an arm binary Aug 06 09:41:00 qwerty12: alright.. it could be really interesting from POV of booting Aug 06 09:41:13 I can't for the life of me, make out this diagram >.< Aug 06 09:41:14 Trencher|, which perl Aug 06 09:41:14 lcuk: or else, i look into including some of the ghostscript code to allow your program to DIRECTLY read the pdf data Aug 06 09:41:24 lcuk: which is actually a much better solution Aug 06 09:41:39 Internal perl can mess with a installed perl in scratchbox Aug 06 09:41:52 crashanddie: i am trying to build irssi w/perl support. and i'm having that problem Aug 06 09:41:53 which is what i suggested at first - pdf isnt actually that complex aformat once you remove the filesystem from around it Aug 06 09:41:57 there is a conflice Aug 06 09:42:01 *conflict Aug 06 09:42:08 Trencher|, which perl Aug 06 09:42:22 what do you mean "which perl"? Aug 06 09:42:27 TYPE IT IN A CONSOLE Aug 06 09:42:33 :D Aug 06 09:42:36 lol Aug 06 09:42:38 :D Aug 06 09:42:42 see above? Aug 06 09:42:49 mornin crashandgrumpysod Aug 06 09:43:03 it seems i have 2 Aug 06 09:43:03 lol Aug 06 09:43:09 hey lcuk :) Aug 06 09:43:12 and i have no clue where the 5.8.4 is Aug 06 09:43:17 because i took it out of path Aug 06 09:43:21 Trencher|, "which perl" will tell you that, ffs Aug 06 09:43:28 Why do people ignore what I say ? Aug 06 09:43:42 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > which perl Aug 06 09:43:42 /usr/bin/perl Aug 06 09:43:58 lol Aug 06 09:44:07 which conflicts with what i posted above Aug 06 09:44:18 which which Aug 06 09:44:22 wat Aug 06 09:44:22 lol Aug 06 09:44:30 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /usr/bin] > which which Aug 06 09:44:30 /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin/which Aug 06 09:44:40 :D Aug 06 09:44:44 :( Aug 06 09:44:49 which `which which` Aug 06 09:44:50 we wich you a merry.. oh no Aug 06 09:44:58 same Aug 06 09:45:06 crash: next! Aug 06 09:45:12 plz dont forkbomb me lol Aug 06 09:45:17 There you go Aug 06 09:45:51 hang on "debian-etch" isn't it meant to be a different target (ie one for diablo?) Aug 06 09:46:11 or is that the host mother os? Aug 06 09:46:13 nope Aug 06 09:46:19 PATH=/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/perl/bin:/scratchbox/tools/bin:/targets/links/arch_tools/bin:/host_usr/bin:/scratchbox/compilers/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin Aug 06 09:46:23 the target is CHINOOK_ARMEL Aug 06 09:46:27 which should be fine Aug 06 09:46:35 hmmm Aug 06 09:46:37 how to fix... Aug 06 09:46:41 well Aug 06 09:46:44 what I don't understand Aug 06 09:46:54 is that you have a different version in /usr/bin and /usr/bin Aug 06 09:46:55 xD Aug 06 09:46:58 Trencher|, try this, wait Aug 06 09:47:00 bbbl Aug 06 09:47:08 exactly Aug 06 09:47:10 my point Aug 06 09:47:12 lcuk, aaye ccya Aug 06 09:47:15 go to \scratchbox\users\$USER\targets Aug 06 09:47:20 wtf ? Aug 06 09:47:25 BACKSLASHES ? Aug 06 09:47:31 what country are you from ? Wales ? Aug 06 09:47:39 I'm in windows, ext2ifs Aug 06 09:47:39 there Aug 06 09:47:46 Open DIABLO_ARMEL.config Aug 06 09:48:00 And remove perl: Aug 06 09:48:01 CHINOOK_ARMEL, even Aug 06 09:48:10 Oh. I'm using latest sdk. Aug 06 09:48:19 lol i'm not using latest os Aug 06 09:48:21 To escape escape, use \\ Aug 06 09:48:45 I thought we were supposed to use the red door ? Aug 06 09:48:52 in DEVKIT_NAMES? Aug 06 09:49:05 Yes Aug 06 09:49:17 \\ SBOX_DEVKIT_NAMES=perl:debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp Aug 06 09:49:18 SBOX_DEVKIT_NAMES=debian-etch:maemo3-tools:cputransp Aug 06 09:49:20 good? Aug 06 09:49:27 yep Aug 06 09:49:34 written Aug 06 09:49:43 Change targets and change back to CHINOOK_ARMEL Aug 06 09:49:45 Hmm. Mauku, is that open source/with developers you can talk with? Aug 06 09:50:08 Shell restarting... Aug 06 09:50:08 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] > perl -v Aug 06 09:50:08 This is perl, v5.8.4 built for i686-linux-thread-multi Aug 06 09:50:36 shit Aug 06 09:50:39 lol Aug 06 09:51:32 crashanddie, if you use rapidshare, are your speeds going really slow? Aug 06 09:51:32 sbox.. Aug 06 09:52:13 qwerty12, Erhm... I've noticed that sometimes there are very, extreme slowdowns on the network yes Aug 06 09:52:35 any other options? Aug 06 09:52:48 crashanddie, thanks :). I thought it was my ISP capping me :(. I only get 48K when downloading off any server. Aug 06 09:53:03 rapidshare is capping? Aug 06 09:53:03 wow Aug 06 09:53:05 time to move on Aug 06 09:53:12 first that capcha stuff Aug 06 09:53:16 then premium accts Aug 06 09:53:18 now capping? Aug 06 09:53:23 Yeah, those cats annoyed the hell out of me Aug 06 09:53:34 mediafire Aug 06 09:53:36 for now Aug 06 09:53:39 My sister who has a premium account though, says her speeds are slow though too Aug 06 09:53:46 the irony Aug 06 09:53:46 is still free and anticapcha Aug 06 09:54:41 stupid perl Aug 06 09:54:42 :( Aug 06 09:54:53 It's always been useless Aug 06 09:54:56 Trencher|, which version of perl do you need ? Aug 06 09:55:05 Trencher|, just alias and force the version you need Aug 06 09:55:34 i need the 5.8.3 Aug 06 09:55:37 for building Aug 06 09:55:38 and wat Aug 06 09:55:55 OOOOOOOHHHH I smell coffee Aug 06 09:55:56 oic Aug 06 09:55:56 brb Aug 06 09:56:08 Trencher|, just alias the 5.8.3 version as the default one Aug 06 09:56:40 ok Aug 06 09:56:43 now i'm confused Aug 06 09:56:44 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > alias perl=/usr/bin/perl Aug 06 09:56:44 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > perl -v Aug 06 09:56:44 This is perl, v5.8.4 built for i686-linux-thread-multi Aug 06 09:56:54 because it is Aug 06 09:57:07 btw, have you rebooted scratchbox since you changed it ? Aug 06 09:57:08 btw. os2008/nit is kind of hard to troubleshoot bluetooth-network-wise. There *should* be a log. And my die-hard Unix habits doesn't like the "if it don't work, reboot"-strategy. Aug 06 09:57:19 changed what Aug 06 09:57:28 I was configuring networking through a new phone yesterday. Aug 06 09:57:37 the sbox_devkit_names? Aug 06 09:57:51 aye Aug 06 09:57:52 I tried everything, for hours. Until I remembered that last time, it didn't work before I rebooted either. So I did, and it worked. *grmf* Aug 06 09:57:56 yes Aug 06 09:58:39 lardman|coffee: There you have your anwser from qgil already ;) Aug 06 09:58:52 Trencher|, I meant like, rebooted the SB services ? Aug 06 09:59:03 Trencher|, not just the console Aug 06 09:59:08 o, no. i switched targets and back Aug 06 09:59:12 does that reboot them? Aug 06 09:59:16 no Aug 06 09:59:41 /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart Aug 06 09:59:42 X-Fade: he didnt ask the question properly >_> Aug 06 09:59:59 lardman|coffee: you need to rephrase the question specific to the 3.5 jack Aug 06 10:00:44 rm_you: Ah, you think it would be an external device? Aug 06 10:00:48 no dice Aug 06 10:01:02 X-Fade: the thing quim is talking about is the USB video out thing Aug 06 10:01:48 :) alias works Aug 06 10:02:09 Trencher|, :) Aug 06 10:02:17 told you to listen to me from the start Aug 06 10:05:46 break for food Aug 06 10:05:53 then i'll try to make the program Aug 06 10:08:38 lardman|coffee, ping Aug 06 10:10:41 qwerty Aug 06 10:10:45 uiop Aug 06 10:10:58 RST38h Aug 06 10:11:01 jkl Aug 06 10:13:54 RST38hjkl? Aug 06 10:13:57 damn Aug 06 10:13:58 beat to it Aug 06 10:16:05 * qwerty12_games SO wants UT99 on the tablet but it uses i386 asm :( Aug 06 10:17:38 X-Fade, rm_you : no, he said devices supporting video out - thats not quite the same really is it - especially since the usb video out is a different framebuffer and may not actually support all the current modes or mannerisms expected by the epson lcd chip Aug 06 10:18:54 we cant expect to turn up and run our software on untested devices - can we? Aug 06 10:19:04 * lcuk will be taking videos at any rate Aug 06 10:21:17 hello Aug 06 10:21:32 ello Aug 06 10:22:36 rm_you, X-Fade: Am I to take it that's a "yes it works, ask them how"? Aug 06 10:22:39 Gentlemen, lemme bring to your attention the fact that Epson chip does not have video output Aug 06 10:23:08 RST38h: it does support it, whether it's attached is a different question, but we're talking about omap output Aug 06 10:23:08 So whatever video you are gonna get (unlikely) will have to come from the internal 640x480 buffer Aug 06 10:23:17 indeed Aug 06 10:23:32 qwerty12: what did you find? Aug 06 10:23:39 lardman, pm Aug 06 10:23:43 lardman: It can't hurt to be specific and ask for the jack port.. Aug 06 10:23:45 ah, cheers :) Aug 06 10:23:52 X-Fade: ok Aug 06 10:25:33 lardman: doesn't OMAP require some extra components to have a real video out? Aug 06 10:26:07 or can you really plug directly TV directly into chip pins? Aug 06 10:27:55 that's the question of course Aug 06 10:29:12 well there the gpio_ape going in from the LED controller Aug 06 10:29:32 so I'd guess there's no reason why that shouldn't be wired up Aug 06 10:29:44 time to look at the kernel code Aug 06 10:32:20 Well that kernel source has definite references to tv out in it Aug 06 10:32:41 search for "OMAP2_OUTPUT_TV" for example Aug 06 10:33:08 lardman: Check the frame buffer size. There was a problem with that IIRC. Aug 06 10:34:17 X-Fade: iirc the on-chip and epson fb sizes are different, I was just thinking about writing to the on-chip one directly and outputting that Aug 06 10:34:33 assuming it's, iirc, 640x480 Aug 06 10:37:17 lcuk: I seem to remember you had an email discussion about whether the onchip one was mapped, and the conclusuion was that it's one of the 3 framebuffers? Aug 06 10:41:43 ok Aug 06 10:41:44 here i go Aug 06 10:42:20 no dice Aug 06 10:42:26 still building with 5.8.4 Aug 06 10:43:46 lardman, it wasnt email, it was in the justification discussion. yes it appears that one of the older os's (bora?) attempted to use and map this memory area Aug 06 10:44:51 but this appears to have been removed (that was why i spotted one thing and fanoush saw another) Aug 06 10:44:52 That "OMAP2_OUTPUT_TV" isn't in the maemo kernel code, so will have to see what other differences there are between the two Aug 06 10:45:09 Trencher|: i told you already yesterday. set SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl and make sure /usr/bin is before the /scratchbox/tools/bin Aug 06 10:45:10 lcuk: hmm, I wonder why, and what needs to be done to put it back Aug 06 10:45:20 bbiab Aug 06 10:45:45 no, it wasnt used as a native framebuffer - i think it was wanted to be used, but the practicalities must have turned them off Aug 06 10:46:06 it wasn't used, but was available to be written to... Aug 06 10:46:08 as we know its the wrong size and just causes extra complications for epson for not much benefit on its own (ie without iva) Aug 06 10:46:17 except for video output! Aug 06 10:46:48 is the video out really connected?! Aug 06 10:46:51 on the justificaiton page fanoush mentioned another place within the kernel where it becomes available (at least i think) Aug 06 10:47:03 it might be, but theres no data going to it Aug 06 10:47:56 "it might be"? Aug 06 10:48:25 i mean before putting effort in it, it should be 100% sure that it is connected ;) Aug 06 10:49:05 well im at work - im not putting the effort in :) its x-fade thats sparked this off Aug 06 10:50:03 anyway, back later Aug 06 10:59:05 jott: "make sure /usr/bin is before the /scratchbox/tools/bin" in path? Aug 06 11:01:09 Trencher|: ah yes. Aug 06 11:02:04 jott: also, do i need to restart scratchbox after setting SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl Aug 06 11:06:04 no. trying configure Aug 06 11:06:36 no Aug 06 11:06:43 it is an environment variable. Aug 06 11:06:59 now... checking for working Perl support... not found, building without Perl Aug 06 11:07:25 have you done export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl ?! Aug 06 11:07:53 yes Aug 06 11:08:13 PATH=/usr/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin:/scratchbox...... Aug 06 11:08:26 and perl -v says arm? Aug 06 11:08:27 SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/perl Aug 06 11:08:30 from env Aug 06 11:08:40 [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/irssi-0.8.12] > perl -v Aug 06 11:08:40 This is perl, v5.8.3 built for arm-linux-gnueabi-thread-multi Aug 06 11:08:54 then you have to fix the package ;) Aug 06 11:09:07 ~lart sbox for being broken by design :P Aug 06 11:09:07 * infobot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on sbox for being broken by design :P Aug 06 11:09:23 :( Aug 06 11:09:38 fix which package? perl or irssi? Aug 06 11:09:43 lol Aug 06 11:10:55 irssi Aug 06 11:11:18 you know how you get your native perl. Aug 06 11:11:20 irssi is segfault prone on the tablets anyway Aug 06 11:11:45 qwerty12: uh why should it?! Aug 06 11:11:51 (or why does it :) Aug 06 11:12:36 jott, no idea :(. I've tried many builds, stable and svn. I think for chat it works ok, but some commands segfault it. Sometimes, /nick works, sometimes it doesn't :/ Aug 06 11:12:58 BitchX and weechat work ok though Aug 06 11:13:09 but irssi is king Aug 06 11:15:43 qwerty12: ever tried to get a backtrace? ;) Aug 06 11:16:08 * aquatix just uses irssi over ssh Aug 06 11:16:17 24/7 online too ;) Aug 06 11:16:24 * aquatix wanders off Aug 06 11:16:33 jott, nah. I'm a n00b so I don't understand *trace's output. Aug 06 11:17:54 Why do nokia carry kernel headers for 2.6.16 when the kernel is 2.6.21? http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/l/linux-kernel-headers/ Aug 06 11:19:28 qwerty12: there is kernel-diablo-headers, but i agree that this package seems to be deprecated ;) Aug 06 11:20:23 jott, ah, didn't see that one. Yes, no idea why nokia still carry it in the diablo repo. Maybe a Replaces and provides tag on kernel-diablo-headers would be better. Aug 06 11:21:00 probably just forgotten that it is still there ;> Aug 06 11:22:01 file a bug report against it, if it annoys you :> Aug 06 11:22:48 Heh, on second thoughts, I'm not that annoyed by it Aug 06 11:26:49 join #irssi Aug 06 11:26:51 rofl Aug 06 11:26:59 sry Aug 06 11:27:05 needs more / Aug 06 11:27:11 I joined, now where's my free spam! Aug 06 11:29:01 :( Aug 06 11:29:04 someone(TM) should probably update the logo contest page linked in topic Aug 06 11:29:07 qwerty12: it's more of a religion thing. you have to spread the word and troll for irssi now! Aug 06 11:29:23 sp3000: feel free to do so ;) Aug 06 11:30:22 Not fair, I want the spam first Aug 06 11:47:34 hm Aug 06 11:47:46 is there a pkg to install scratchbox on the actual n800 ? :) Aug 06 11:48:02 Macor: why on earth would you? ;P Aug 06 11:48:04 Macor: that would make no sense :P Aug 06 11:48:13 Nay. You can install gcc and the like straight onto the device though. Aug 06 11:48:45 That would be jokes actually, open osso-xterm and use only the DIABLO_ARMEL target :D Aug 06 11:48:54 so you need a pc running an i386 os? Aug 06 11:49:23 Macor: no. you can compile on the device (remember it only has 128mb ram). Aug 06 11:49:43 or you have to build your own toolchain. Aug 06 11:49:53 hm... Aug 06 11:50:07 where can i get the gcc pkgs? Aug 06 11:50:15 :) maybe fixed Aug 06 11:50:51 now here's the fun part Aug 06 11:51:00 how do i make a deb out of it if i get it working? Aug 06 11:51:17 maybe stick it in extras Aug 06 11:51:33 dh_make. I recommend reading articles on the wiki and the guides nokia put out too though. Aug 06 11:51:54 And the maemo-policy is a good thing to read if you want to upload to extras. Aug 06 11:52:14 guys: is there some docs how to make usb networking acceptable by libconic? so when I have usbnet working browser/h-a-m will not try to connect to wifi Aug 06 11:52:16 hm.. i actually wanted to try to build my own bins for the n800 just to see if they would work Aug 06 11:52:20 :( most of the wiki is 404 Aug 06 11:52:27 from where i've tried reading up Aug 06 11:52:38 i've found too many dead links Aug 06 11:53:12 hrw, usbnet package from the "official" maemo integration uses a DUMMY connection. Unfortunatly, nokia broke them in diablo. Aug 06 11:53:14 i wonder if i could get my gentoo box to use the portage tree in order to build apps for an armel :) Aug 06 11:53:22 Macor: gcc for the device is in the sdk repository. Aug 06 11:53:36 qwerty12: shit Aug 06 11:53:46 yeah :( Aug 06 11:54:05 all hail to closed source components that break stuff! Aug 06 11:54:16 :) Aug 06 11:54:40 jott: Any idea why this qt build fails? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Aug 06 11:54:51 Nokia's open source policy is bullshit. The tossers close source to non-trivial things like the memory applet. I'm still pissed off about that because when I asked on -developers, the wankers blank me. Aug 06 11:55:16 jott: Seems that gnuton's lastest change broke something. Aug 06 11:55:18 X-Fade: looks like broken configure arguments Aug 06 11:55:28 qwerty12: where I can find that package for chinook then? Aug 06 11:55:38 -platform is missing an argument Aug 06 11:56:13 should be linux-g++ Aug 06 11:56:19 hrw, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-control/ Aug 06 11:56:46 alternativly, just make an dummy connection yourself: gconftool -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DEFAULT/type DUMMY Aug 06 11:57:02 *alternatively Aug 06 11:57:22 thx Aug 06 11:57:50 X-Fade: indeed, he broke the package :P Aug 06 11:58:27 jott: Care to fix it? :) Aug 06 11:59:43 anyone knows peter schneider's email address/irc nickname ? Aug 06 12:01:59 working from home? http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5060/picturetopicworkingfromkr4.jpg Aug 06 12:02:27 OMG. What a fashion disaster. Aug 06 12:03:02 does scratchbox have make? Aug 06 12:03:10 X-Fade: svn commit pending :) Aug 06 12:03:16 Macor, naturally Aug 06 12:03:17 * jott twists his fingers Aug 06 12:03:25 just making sure ;) i'm downloading the vm now Aug 06 12:03:41 crash: It's a DELL! Aug 06 12:03:44 figured it'd just be easier to run the vm Aug 06 12:04:01 * RST38h wonders why it is not an Apple, with all the hype... Aug 06 12:04:42 old photo Aug 06 12:04:54 RST38h: it's just an average linux nerd :p Aug 06 12:05:08 RST38h, IT'S GOING TO EXPLODE Aug 06 12:05:26 He'll be able to pass himself off as a war vet, no legs, and all that Aug 06 12:05:49 X-Fade: are those www exports running again? ;) Aug 06 12:05:52 jott: commit it, package it, sign it and upload .dsc and diff to extras-devel ;) Aug 06 12:06:35 jott: Yes, it is exporting the qt4 www dir ;) Aug 06 12:06:49 haha :) Aug 06 12:07:28 jott: I hope we can this beast in extras-devel soon, so we can remove the repo from svn. Aug 06 12:07:32 storing binary blobs in svn is a bad idea on rather slow machines :> Aug 06 12:07:37 yeah Aug 06 12:08:07 jott: Well, at least I have an armel build on stand-by which I can put in -devel :) Aug 06 12:08:51 jott: So it will be in -devel before aKademy.. Aug 06 12:09:21 aye so this 100 kde guys can start developing right away ;) Aug 06 12:09:51 why the hell do we always need to be in finland in order to work for Nokia Aug 06 12:10:00 any of you know if they offer good relocation bonuses ? Aug 06 12:10:09 crashanddie, the sauna! Aug 06 12:10:35 crashanddie: They must do that, there are a lot of expats there ;) Aug 06 12:11:06 lcuk: ping Aug 06 12:11:15 Quite frankly, I'd be bummed if after moving to the UK, I'd be moving to Finland just to get a job I like :P Aug 06 12:11:56 Haha. Finland is lovely but I dunno if I could move there. Much more quiet than London :/ Aug 06 12:13:04 of course you couldn't move there Aug 06 12:13:29 you mum don't even let you go to berlin for a weekend, imagine what she'd say if you said you were moving permanently to Finland Aug 06 12:13:43 lardman, pong Aug 06 12:14:03 crashanddie, :P. I don't think Nokia would employ a 15 year old anyway so... :D Aug 06 12:14:18 lcuk: where was that discussion about framebuffers? Aug 06 12:14:20 I'm sure you'd find something to do Aug 06 12:14:55 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification#SRAM_notes.2Fdiscussion Aug 06 12:15:16 ah, thanks :) Aug 06 12:16:13 hi Aug 06 12:16:31 ok, so it should be in chinook then - I wanted as new a kernel as possible Aug 06 12:16:50 lardman: btw i am almost 99% sure the tv out is not connected.. Aug 06 12:17:06 jott: how come? Aug 06 12:17:50 look at the leaked schematics .. Aug 06 12:18:05 lardman, even displaying nothingness black screen should have sync signals etc that you can check with a scope? Aug 06 12:18:26 jott: yes, there appears to be a link Aug 06 12:18:34 lcuk: you have to enable it though Aug 06 12:18:40 ahhh.. Aug 06 12:19:05 lcuk: My N95 doesn't show anything by default, I have to enable the output. Aug 06 12:19:44 so it requires a software switch (which doesnt exist?) Aug 06 12:20:03 lcuk: There is support for it in the kernel. Aug 06 12:20:05 and then a way to fill the omap2420 native framebuffer Aug 06 12:20:30 lcuk: So initializing should be possible. Aug 06 12:20:36 lcuk: the software switch is in the kernel source I gave the url for Aug 06 12:20:52 filling the buffer should be as simple as writing to the dev entry Aug 06 12:20:57 It would display crap because of framebuffer mismatch.. Aug 06 12:21:06 ive been working for much of this morning so have only been glancing in Aug 06 12:21:55 lardman, initially you dont need anything, switching it on or off should show an effect on tv Aug 06 12:22:27 as a first primary step that would confirm if its wired Aug 06 12:22:28 what are you guys talking about ? Aug 06 12:22:30 lardman: query :) Aug 06 12:22:31 lcuk: Yes, you should be able to nice that. Aug 06 12:22:50 s/nice/notice/ ;) Aug 06 12:23:21 yer X-Fade depending upon the tv/video device you are plugging into it should change from nosignal to randomness Aug 06 12:23:59 crashanddie, apparantl the 810 has a 4pin headphone socket - same as the n95. one of those pins is actually a tv out Aug 06 12:24:12 oh Aug 06 12:24:24 whether it works is a different issue - especially since the tv out displays data from the omap2420 internal framebuffer (which we arent using) Aug 06 12:24:50 X-Fade: I have again problems with the builder :) Aug 06 12:25:01 zap: Tell me ;) Aug 06 12:25:07 must dash again Aug 06 12:25:09 back later Aug 06 12:25:21 X-Fade: unrar 3.8.2 has been compiled at 01:26 and still is not in extras Aug 06 12:25:32 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/unrar-nonfree_3.8.2-1maemo1/ Aug 06 12:25:44 zap: extras-devel you mean? Aug 06 12:25:47 yes Aug 06 12:25:49 lcuk, but the headphones that are delivered with the n810 have 4 pins, right ? Aug 06 12:25:58 a 4 pin jacket does not mean it's connected :P Aug 06 12:26:12 fair enough Aug 06 12:26:14 but what I meant it Aug 06 12:26:21 has anyone checked all the wires ? Aug 06 12:26:48 crashanddie: You can't check it if it isn't enabled in software. Aug 06 12:27:04 X-Fade: same about unzip 5.52-14-maemo3 Aug 06 12:27:43 and zip and zip3 :) Aug 06 12:28:05 and tar :-D Aug 06 12:28:18 uh-oh, it seems I do something fundamentally wrong Aug 06 12:29:22 zap: I'm checking unzip and it has been accepted and moved into extras-devel. (diablo) Aug 06 12:29:48 thats 5.52-14-maemo2 Aug 06 12:29:59 no 3 Aug 06 12:30:05 Hi, I am able to access internet from command line in scratchbox ,but not in an application on Xephyr. Aug 06 12:30:21 X-Fade: but it's not in Packages file Aug 06 12:30:37 "Bring the buckets by the dozens, bring your nieces and your cousins, come and put the fire out" Aug 06 12:30:54 zap: So there is a problem there. But the files are in the repo. Aug 06 12:30:57 X-Fade: I need pathcutils from diablo extras-devel to chinook extras-devel. Can I just download sources from diablo and upload to chinook unchanged? Aug 06 12:31:03 X-Fade: do you know why the 3rd framebuffer's size has been changed? Aug 06 12:31:07 X-Fade: ah ok, so problem is not where I thought Aug 06 12:31:11 zap: I'll check the Packages. Aug 06 12:31:21 WOW... question overload... Aug 06 12:31:28 wow, Niels just got pwned Aug 06 12:31:29 ;) Aug 06 12:31:45 mikkov_: Just try? :) Should work. Aug 06 12:32:01 mikkov_: Make sure the .dsc is signed and all md5sums match. Aug 06 12:32:22 X-Fade: but I don't need to sign it? Aug 06 12:32:26 2nd framebuffer even, region 1 Aug 06 12:32:27 lardman: I'm no kernel hacker and don't have contacts with the Nokia kernel guys.. Aug 06 12:32:34 mikkov_: I think it is signed. Aug 06 12:32:41 X-Fade: who can I ask? Aug 06 12:32:46 X-Fade: or on list? Aug 06 12:33:50 lardman: Try on list. Igor or Eero might answer/know. Aug 06 12:34:05 ok, thanks Aug 06 12:34:23 lardman: Or mail the kernel package maintainer ;) Aug 06 12:34:42 lardman: I guess there is a reason why they put their email there? Aug 06 12:34:48 ah, good idea Aug 06 12:35:43 And the linux-omap mailinglist might also be an option.. Aug 06 12:36:00 well this is sort of specific to the ITs Aug 06 12:36:21 in Chinook the on-board memory was apparently used, in diablo it isn't Aug 06 12:36:29 https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Drivers_justification#SRAM_notes.2Fdiscussion Aug 06 12:36:39 end of that section Aug 06 12:36:43 lardman: Yes, I read that. Aug 06 12:36:52 But I really have no idea why. Aug 06 12:37:00 My guess is speed or powersaving? Aug 06 12:37:01 no probs, will email people :) Aug 06 12:37:20 I just don't want to break anything Aug 06 12:37:29 sw no hw Aug 06 12:37:34 sw not hw Aug 06 12:38:12 I don't think there is much harm in changing these offsets in the kernel. Well, it might break, but flashing another kernel will fix it. Aug 06 12:38:41 yeah of course, just wondering if it's been changed to do something specific though - just interested really Aug 06 12:39:49 X-Fade: btw I hope that this https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2008q3/thread.html could be divided to page per month ;) Aug 06 12:39:58 isn't there a commit message? :) Aug 06 12:40:13 mikkov_: Yeah, it is starting to get long ;) Aug 06 12:40:33 I didn't know we had svn access to the kernel source Aug 06 12:40:44 X-Fade: that's my primary place to check build messsages ;) Aug 06 12:40:55 mikkov_: Mine too :) Aug 06 12:44:14 zap: I can confirm that it is not in Packages, now I have to find out why.. Aug 06 12:46:28 only thing I see is "* Added support for USB-VGA adapter" Aug 06 12:46:50 not sure if that would require 2 planes and the onboard framebuffer was replaced by that Aug 06 12:47:05 not to worry Aug 06 12:47:46 lardman: usb-vga adapters have own fb Aug 06 12:47:57 hrw: yeah, that's what I'd expect Aug 06 12:48:08 i think fb1 is used for the camera Aug 06 12:51:25 ah wait, looks like I need to go back further Aug 06 12:51:26 lardman, it was 2007 that it was used, but chinook/diablo both not used Aug 06 12:51:37 yep, just saw that Aug 06 12:52:23 i think with the location of the epson it just didnt gain the performance benefits expected for the code complexity required Aug 06 12:52:46 why change the code though unless it's being used? Aug 06 12:52:52 as jott says perhaps for the camera? Aug 06 12:53:02 well.. lets see what i have to do to build stuff in scratchbox from src Aug 06 12:53:04 :) Aug 06 12:53:05 fb1 atleast is allocated when the camera is started Aug 06 12:53:20 Address : 0x80700000 Aug 06 12:53:20 Size : 430080 Aug 06 12:53:31 when "camera" is started, 0 otherwise :) Aug 06 12:53:48 what about when "barcode" is started ;) Aug 06 12:54:16 zap: Weird, it seems that other packages are all updated in Packages. But yours aren't. Khertan's py2deb from this morning is in there for example. Aug 06 12:54:42 lcuk: Size : 155648 :) Aug 06 12:54:49 is there a way to update the package list in diablo using the application manager? Aug 06 12:55:12 jott, so it allocates depending upon the cam spec requested.. Aug 06 12:55:12 i know it was possible with earlier releases but diablo doesn't seem to have such an option Aug 06 12:55:13 kpel: Use the icon, bottom right? Aug 06 12:55:15 jott: is this bora? Aug 06 12:55:27 lardman: uh? no diablo ;) Aug 06 12:55:30 ah, ok, was wondering about the size Aug 06 12:56:15 lcuk: yes. that very much seems so :) Aug 06 12:56:22 superjott to the rescue (just make sure the camera is disabled before you put your underpants and cape on Aug 06 12:56:33 ooops Aug 06 12:56:43 forgot the backdoor in maemo-barcode :P Aug 06 12:57:04 livestream to pron.lcuk.tv :) Aug 06 12:57:14 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:34:02 +0300 ARM: OMAP2: Nokia 2420: Increase fb reserved regions again Aug 06 12:57:22 * lcuk has to start thinking about backdoors, im very tempted to allow camera uploading Aug 06 12:58:29 i crash liqbase when i pump the camera to 640*480 :( Aug 06 12:59:02 X-Fade: yes, the bottom right icon checks for updates. i don't know if it fetches new package lists though. Aug 06 12:59:30 kpel: How would it check for updates without that? :) Aug 06 12:59:46 one would imagine to check for updates it has to know which are updated - and the best way to do that is to.... Aug 06 13:00:01 by the way, apt-get shows some initfs related packages which cannot be installed because of dependency problems. the -f parameter fixed that but i wonder if this could be a problem Aug 06 13:00:26 X-Fade: i suppose it's the difference between apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. no? Aug 06 13:01:45 kpel: The icon is the apt-get update equivalent. Aug 06 13:01:58 kpel: Check the log.. Aug 06 13:04:03 yeah, it fetches lists according to the log. but if that icon is only the equivalent of apt-get update what is the equivalent of apt-get upgrade ? Aug 06 13:04:27 kpel: The check for updates section. Aug 06 13:04:43 kpel: Although that triggers a reload after one day too. Aug 06 13:05:35 i see Aug 06 13:05:41 thanks X-Fade Aug 06 13:07:45 * ARM: OMAP: FB sync with N800 tree (support for dynamic SRAM allocations); Sync framebuffer headers with N800 tree Aug 06 13:07:46 Tue, 8 May 2007 16:59:49 +0300 Aug 06 13:07:50 very big one that Aug 06 13:11:00 so presumably the move to allocating all framebuffers from SDRAM removed the need/ability to have it in SRAM Aug 06 13:14:07 blah Aug 06 13:14:09 have to re-install cups Aug 06 13:17:54 lardman, if the primary framebuffer was in SRAM and the omap framebuffer itself was being used then it makes sense to use the SRAM, but with the epson lcd drive method used (carry over from omap1/770 design - the older chips had no gfx at all) it just makes it more complex to utulise and manage (i would predict anyway) Aug 06 13:20:40 I'm just looking at the Ti TV output driver, we may need to do something with the audio codec hardware to enable it Aug 06 13:21:07 I've not found the framebuffer locations yet Aug 06 13:21:30 this whole omapfb/blizzard driver thing is a big mess :) Aug 06 13:22:40 it looks like leading up to 800 release the designers knew there was a framebuffer on omap2420. they tried to use it as much as possible, but because the primary resolution wont support 800 they had to backpeddle, but still wanted to use the memory. Aug 06 13:22:42 X-Fade: my packages are cursed :) Aug 06 13:23:02 zap: Yeah, but why? :) Aug 06 13:23:21 after the 800 came out it was decided to simplify the whole thing and cleanup as much as possible Aug 06 13:23:22 because I'm naughty? :) Aug 06 13:23:28 zap: You used mub-builder, right? Aug 06 13:23:36 for some, yes Aug 06 13:23:41 for zip/unzip/zip3 no Aug 06 13:23:54 lcuk: looks like there was a kernel change that allowed dynamic framebuffer allocation, before they they tried to save main memory by using SRAM, after that there;s no point in using a hack Aug 06 13:23:55 Hmmm there goes my idea ;) Aug 06 13:24:18 its my tallent to step on problems in other's software Aug 06 13:24:25 I must be a tester, not a programmer Aug 06 13:25:29 lardman, is that allocation all kernel side, or can userspace apps make direct use of the sram (i couldnt find or use it when i played) Aug 06 13:27:22 lcuk: is SRAM any faster than normal SDRAM? Aug 06 13:28:12 zap: I'm manually reindexing the repository. Let's see if your packages show up. Aug 06 13:28:41 zap, its internal to the omap2420 and used for multimedia operations :) you can bet your dogs bollocks its faster Aug 06 13:28:43 lcuk: kernel side Aug 06 13:29:02 zap: no test data to prove it though Aug 06 13:29:12 I must port haret to linux Aug 06 13:29:41 should help with picking various hardware Aug 06 13:29:54 * lcuk wonders how it could be slower Aug 06 13:30:09 lcuk: doesn't SRAM mean "single-port RAM"? Aug 06 13:30:36 or it's just Static Aug 06 13:30:49 does anyone know if there is an xchat package for diablo available? Aug 06 13:31:15 wikipedia says SRAM is either Static or Shadow Aug 06 13:31:16 static ram Aug 06 13:31:23 kpel: it is, in extras Aug 06 13:31:38 "SRAM is a little more expensive, but faster and significantly less power hungry (especially idle) than DRAM. It is therefore used where either speed or low power, or both, are principle considerations." Aug 06 13:31:39 and it has LOTS of translation packages, damnit Aug 06 13:32:00 would seem to be a reasonable aim Aug 06 13:33:18 zap: They are there now. Aug 06 13:33:29 X-Fade: no idea why they weren't? Aug 06 13:33:51 back in a bit Aug 06 13:33:52 zap: That is step 2. :) Aug 06 13:33:59 it was the same with my previous packages, which you pushed manually Aug 06 13:34:10 they weren't in Packages too, stayed so for a long time Aug 06 13:34:16 zap: the one package i found is for chinnok. will that work without problems on diablo? Aug 06 13:34:31 kpel: they will work, but there's xchat for diablo Aug 06 13:34:41 kpel: just enable maemo Extras repository in app manager and it'll show up Aug 06 13:35:43 urgh, I wonder if we'd need to startup the inbuilt omap display controller to be able to do TV output Aug 06 13:36:05 lardman: there is a svn log for the maemo kernel sources? Aug 06 13:36:28 kpel: I was wrong, it is in extras-devel Aug 06 13:36:31 trickie|work: no, I just looked through debian/Changelog from the diablo kernel source Aug 06 13:36:33 kpel: here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/x/xchat/ Aug 06 13:36:50 lardman: ah ha Aug 06 13:37:02 lardman: where are you going to connect the video output? Aug 06 13:37:48 are there any checkpoints on the board at least? Aug 06 13:37:51 3.5mm jack plug Aug 06 13:37:55 ? Aug 06 13:38:03 thats audio output Aug 06 13:38:33 the worst of it is that omap2420 is fully undocumented Aug 06 13:38:54 you don't even know to which pins the video output goes Aug 06 13:39:00 zap: I have kernel code in front of me Aug 06 13:39:17 so? you have to know where physically the video signal is located Aug 06 13:39:58 the leaked n800 schematics is damn blurry and unreadable Aug 06 13:40:18 yes, I have the addresses of the TV output hardware Aug 06 13:40:33 the TV signal should go into the 3.5mm AV jack plug Aug 06 13:40:35 n95/93 does video output from the audio plug, but on n800 it's not probably connected same way Aug 06 13:40:39 that's the assumption anyway Aug 06 13:40:46 glass: why not? Aug 06 13:40:48 easy enough to check Aug 06 13:40:56 lardman: if it were never intention to use the tvout Aug 06 13:40:58 oh my Aug 06 13:41:07 we're talking tv output from the omap, not the lcd controller here Aug 06 13:41:10 that would be megacool then, no need to solder anything Aug 06 13:41:34 lardman: yes, but why would nokia engineers have put the extra wire from the omap to the audio output Aug 06 13:41:36 glass: it;s built into the chip which controls the lines connected to the 3.5mm jack Aug 06 13:41:58 i don't see why they'd connect the wire for video as well Aug 06 13:41:59 glass: It are the same lines that the mic uses. Aug 06 13:42:04 ah then Aug 06 13:42:04 there is no extra wire, audio & video (presumably) data are routed though the same chip Aug 06 13:42:21 glass: So rounting is done inside the chip. Aug 06 13:42:35 didn't know it had mic line as well Aug 06 13:42:58 glass: Well, how does the headset work then ;) Aug 06 13:43:08 interesting, this kernel source also allocates 3 framebuffers, then switches where they are output to Aug 06 13:43:18 how large was the SRAM? Aug 06 13:43:56 3* 640*480 * 16bits? Aug 06 13:43:57 X-Fade: well, i'm not too up to date with n800/810 peripheals Aug 06 13:44:42 X-Fade: the headset plug looks like n95 or ipod av cable plug? Aug 06 13:44:45 lardman: <6>SRAM: Mapped pa 0x40200000 to va 0xd0000000 size: 0xa0000 Aug 06 13:45:02 glass: 4 pole jack. Aug 06 13:45:23 yeh then Aug 06 13:45:28 lardman: 640k, and everybody knows that 640k will be enough for everyone Aug 06 13:45:38 not enough for 3 framebuffers Aug 06 13:45:52 lardman: that's what bill gates said in the dawn of the PC era :) Aug 06 13:46:02 which is good, as perhaps the SRAM is not necessary Aug 06 13:46:11 zap: :) Aug 06 13:46:30 oh dear, better head back to work Aug 06 13:46:39 as far as I understand, the purpose of SRAM is to allow dual access Aug 06 13:46:53 (maybe it's dual port, that is) Aug 06 13:47:08 take a look at: display.c, omap2_disp_out.c, venc.h, display.h, omapfb_main.c, omap24xxfb.c Aug 06 13:47:16 bbiab Aug 06 13:48:26 lardman|lunch: >Boot the system, then do a Aug 06 13:48:26 >echo "tv" > /sys/class/omap_disp/display_control/graphics, You should see Aug 06 13:48:26 >the penguin on TV out. Aug 06 13:50:49 packages are flowing way too unpredictably from builder to extras-devel Aug 06 13:51:37 sometimes it takes only couple of minutes and other times it could take hours Aug 06 13:51:58 zap: thanks for the url Aug 06 14:01:05 zap: There is no omap_disp entry in /sys/ Aug 06 14:01:24 I see :) looks like things have changed since 2.6.14 Aug 06 14:01:38 but anyways, looks like TV support is there, just waiting to be used :) Aug 06 14:02:09 zap: I have the cable here ;) Now we need the software part.. Aug 06 14:02:19 X-Fade: I got from maemo.org "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)." Aug 06 14:02:39 re Aug 06 14:02:58 oh my... I was going to look for a cable this evening :) Aug 06 14:02:58 the cable is from N95? Aug 06 14:03:30 jott: yeah aic23 iirc is the audio codec, the technical sheet is avaialble from Ti, not sure if it needs to be twiddled though Aug 06 14:03:43 mikkov_: It looks like you hit the connect rate.. Aug 06 14:04:07 I hit that often :) Aug 06 14:04:17 mikkov_: wait ~10 minutes and try again Aug 06 14:04:23 mikkov_: Can you try again? Aug 06 14:05:09 X-Fade: in 3 seconds Aug 06 14:05:22 X-Fade: same Aug 06 14:05:34 mikkov_: Yeah, I see the incoming connection. Aug 06 14:05:41 mikkov_: But nothing happens after that. Aug 06 14:05:45 zap: yeah, the sysfs entry driver is in omap2_disp_out.c Aug 06 14:06:01 lardman: what driver is used in n810? Aug 06 14:06:34 zap: n8x0 is a bit complicated, the omap display hw is bypassed and an external Epson LCD controller is used Aug 06 14:06:45 aha Aug 06 14:06:53 so we'll have to use both drivers at once Aug 06 14:06:56 oh cool! Aug 06 14:07:01 we can have two displays in X11 Aug 06 14:07:02 I didn't look enough to see if the TV output stuff requires the omap display controller to be used in some form Aug 06 14:07:12 the latest unzip package (devel-extras) seems to be corrupted according to app manager and apt-get Aug 06 14:07:13 :1 to TV and :0 to Epson Aug 06 14:07:32 zap: you could probably already do that as there are 3 framebuffers atm Aug 06 14:07:34 I think we can arrange so that omap2_disp_out.c will use the SRAM as the ramebuffer Aug 06 14:07:46 these 3 framebuffers are all related to the Epson chip Aug 06 14:08:10 no, all the framebuffers are in SDRAM, and they are copied to the Epson chip for display Aug 06 14:08:12 we'll have the fourth framebuffer which will use the OMAP video encoder, which can be hard-coded for TV output Aug 06 14:08:17 right Aug 06 14:08:34 well perhaps, I don't know how much hassle it would be to hard code another framebuffer Aug 06 14:08:37 they are in SDRAM, but we can use the SRAM for omap2_disp Aug 06 14:08:38 it's limited to 640x480 anyways Aug 06 14:08:54 it might be easier to use the existing one with x/yoffset so we only show 640x480 of it Aug 06 14:08:58 I think it will be enough to load the omap_disp driver Aug 06 14:09:10 give it a go, but I doubt it Aug 06 14:09:22 I'll try as soon as I'll finish current things Aug 06 14:13:34 this cable will do ? http://www.ubex.ru/bin/image?id=REFA2433 Aug 06 14:14:14 one for an n95 Aug 06 14:14:16 zap: Looks like it. You might need to change the order of the pins. I don't know ;) Aug 06 14:14:39 I hope it's standard :) Aug 06 14:15:14 zap: CA-75U Aug 06 14:16:22 well my wife's father has a N95, I can hijack him Aug 06 14:16:30 in the case I won't find one easily Aug 06 14:16:55 okay, going home, will try to get one by the way Aug 06 14:17:24 I wonder what the SRAM is for then Aug 06 14:18:10 lardman: I think that getting the screen to init would be the first test. If that doesn't work, you can forget about the rest ;) Aug 06 14:18:17 proper ondevice framebuffer. other omap2420 devices dont have this epson halfling attached nor expect to output 800*480 Aug 06 14:18:47 X-Fade: yeah, just wondering Aug 06 14:19:06 lcuk: read the source, that code also uses 3 framebuffers, they won't fit in the SRAM Aug 06 14:19:45 define "fit" - sure at max resolution they wont, but arent most phone devices using this using much lower resolutions Aug 06 14:19:49 e90 does 800x352 Aug 06 14:20:06 lcuk: no it's an omap test board Aug 06 14:20:21 http://www.sourcingmap.com/ca75u-video-cable-for-nokia-n95-p-10522.html Aug 06 14:21:51 lardman, the testboard would be geared towards testing the device for intended use wouldnt it - does it say anywhere that its 3 buffers each of 640*480, or just 3 buffers Aug 06 14:22:40 yes, 3x640x480 Aug 06 14:22:53 x16/8 bytes to be exact Aug 06 14:23:24 but there is not physically enough memory for this is there? Aug 06 14:24:00 5mbit is a single 640*480*16 Aug 06 14:24:16 exactly Aug 06 14:24:59 is this a comment or actual code that runs thats telling you this? Aug 06 14:25:13 it's code, I presume it runs Aug 06 14:25:14 * lcuk recompiles Aug 06 14:25:47 and it allocates the planes from sram and not sdram? Aug 06 14:26:11 cos the 800 os2007 did something similar with its 3 planes, but used a mix of locations Aug 06 14:26:28 no sure where they come from Aug 06 14:26:36 I've not found that code yet Aug 06 14:27:03 tfanoush left a pointer to the file i think Aug 06 14:27:06 * lcuk compiles agian Aug 06 14:27:22 (incase you are wondering: http://xkcd.com/303/) Aug 06 14:31:25 "If TV_OUT is not used connect AD22 (VDDADAC) to ground." Aug 06 14:34:50 jott: where's that? Aug 06 14:34:54 the n95 also uses a opa361 to amplify the video out Aug 06 14:35:00 n95 schematics Aug 06 14:35:54 and on the n8x0 the AD22 is grounded afaics :( Aug 06 14:37:20 (and no connection is drawn on AC23/AD23 Aug 06 14:37:31 hmm Aug 06 14:38:01 and i can't see how the jack would get video in another way. Aug 06 14:38:37 well it doesn't mean it can't be connected to ground and it still work, possibly Aug 06 14:39:34 i really don't see the point why nokia engineers should have done this :p Aug 06 14:40:30 and still they need a connection to the AC23/AD23 pins. Aug 06 14:41:03 of course the schematics could be wrong but i actually doubt this. Aug 06 14:41:38 (like not printing connections, missing the amplifier, etc) Aug 06 14:41:51 grounding a pin that supposed to disable to tv out Aug 06 14:42:42 dunno, bit busy atm though Aug 06 14:42:49 I'll take a look later on Aug 06 14:43:02 the schematics of n95 ar available online? Aug 06 14:43:21 what is the TTFF in the N810? Aug 06 14:43:49 time to first fix Aug 06 14:43:51 for gps Aug 06 14:43:54 i guess Aug 06 14:44:24 about 10min Aug 06 14:44:32 depends on lots of factors Aug 06 14:44:47 look at the Ti spec sheet for the time it's supposed to manage Aug 06 14:44:54 lardman, thanks Aug 06 14:45:50 kpel: google :) Aug 06 14:46:44 mbuf: ah, i thought you meant what did it mean Aug 06 14:46:45 :) Aug 06 14:46:46 actually the only sane way would have been to connect the epson tv out. Aug 06 14:46:55 jott: what page are we talking here? Aug 06 14:47:18 search for AC23 Aug 06 14:47:28 and AD22 Aug 06 14:47:28 ah, pg3 Aug 06 14:49:44 trickie|work, tricky questions ;) Aug 06 14:49:45 that may just be because it feeds the amplifier Aug 06 14:50:03 hum?! Aug 06 14:50:21 what actually speaks *for* a connection? Aug 06 14:50:21 bbiab Aug 06 14:50:41 drivers in the *generic* omap2420 branch? :/ Aug 06 15:00:27 I thought one of those ape lines went into the av codec on the n810 diagram? Aug 06 15:00:34 left it at home of course Aug 06 15:00:37 guys, there is a cifs module avaiable for diablo? Aug 06 15:00:57 b0unc3, use the chinook one. same kernel version. look in fanoush's module pack Aug 06 15:01:24 ah ok, thanks qwerty12 Aug 06 15:01:28 lardman: i can't see any connection on AC23 and AD23. Aug 06 15:01:56 jott: I'll have to have a look when I get home Aug 06 15:02:13 (which seem to be the pins going to tv out on the n95) Aug 06 15:02:30 well their audio codec is different Aug 06 15:02:46 but the omap is the same. Aug 06 15:02:55 or not?! :) Aug 06 15:03:04 dunno Aug 06 15:03:21 and i still can't see how and foremost WHY they should have connected it. Aug 06 15:03:51 cool, the image viewer in diablo also got nice full-screen ui improvements Aug 06 15:09:48 After reading the maemo irc logs, i'm tempted to sell my phones for any price and hustle for the rest to get an N95 8gb :P Aug 06 15:10:57 jott: the question is really why not attach it Aug 06 15:11:04 n95 does not even have i toch screen :) Aug 06 15:11:20 who needs a touch screen? Aug 06 15:11:26 * jott <- Aug 06 15:11:35 * lcuk <- Aug 06 15:11:35 i'd rather have a qwerty keyboard any day Aug 06 15:11:41 jott, yeah, but after using an N800 for so long, I've been missing hardware keys :) Aug 06 15:11:48 HALLELUIA Aug 06 15:11:53 oh yes Aug 06 15:11:59 qwerty12: aaah, well i have a n810 and i could not live without keyboard :) Aug 06 15:12:37 jott, yeah, I'm a tramp and keep putting off the purchase of a usb adapter and a usb keyboard :) Aug 06 15:12:41 lardman: costs, extra lines on the pcb to consider, use, having an LCD with tv-out which would make much more sense.... Aug 06 15:13:04 yeah Aug 06 15:13:16 The definitive answer is that the hardware design team for the tablets are retarded. Aug 06 15:13:24 lol Aug 06 15:13:29 i'll drink to that Aug 06 15:14:02 actually, let us hpe they are Aug 06 15:14:07 Seriously though, they carry on using the same crap lcd controller from the 770 when it was apparent it had problems in the N800. They then put a crap GPS chipset in the N810 :( Aug 06 15:14:16 I take it back, the images app is stupid Aug 06 15:14:16 not retarded, they gave us the best evolution on the n770 that they could. the design choices made for 770 set a path which meant that even with the higher spec omsp2420 they couldnt use the internal framebuffer at expected high resolution Aug 06 15:14:17 because if they aren't then there is something nasty going on Aug 06 15:14:27 lol mgedmin Aug 06 15:14:28 qwerty12: all quite obvious design decisions. Aug 06 15:15:22 i don't think they understand what tech users want Aug 06 15:15:38 bad ones though :(. To me, it does look like Nokia (company wise. you know the company that does the schematics, service manuals etc) put a hell of a more effort into their phones. The maemo.org community is great though. Aug 06 15:15:39 and they surely don't seem to design for a massive user base Aug 06 15:16:11 Anyway, I look forward to leaking more Nokia stuff as I find it. Aug 06 15:16:19 kpel: it's all about costs. it's not like the n810 gets the same resources as n95 and even the n95 has the same problems with the gps ;) Aug 06 15:16:58 jott: it's ont only about costs. it's also about using what you have. the n95 has an accelerometer. did nokia take advantage of it? NO! Aug 06 15:17:05 why? good question! Aug 06 15:17:11 nokia have a linux based tablet distro under their hat. i, for one, welcome our linux loving finnish overlords Aug 06 15:17:18 kpel: resources. Aug 06 15:17:30 kpel: hardware on the one side. software on the other. Aug 06 15:18:07 jott: i don't believe that a company like nokia doesn't have the resources to even write a toy app for the accelerometer, and some lone coder does Aug 06 15:18:20 i'm talking about that bouncing ball demo Aug 06 15:18:24 lcuk, I don't. They close the source to stuff that really doesn't need to be closed and things that don't even reveal how the internals of the nokia work. Aug 06 15:18:32 kpel: they most likely have a toy app in their labs. Aug 06 15:19:05 jott: in the labs they have a lot of things. but what does the user get? Aug 06 15:19:21 kpel: things that marketing signed Aug 06 15:19:36 qwerty12, the closed stuff is not important to me: as long as its in active development and fixes come for things it doesnt bother me. what riles me is underutilised hardware Aug 06 15:19:37 we have an accelerometer? Aug 06 15:19:40 don't get me wrong, i like nokia. it's not easy to become a comms giant when your background is in toilet paper and plastic boots Aug 06 15:19:42 lardman: n95 has Aug 06 15:19:47 ah, ok Aug 06 15:20:07 jott: now you said it. marketing. Aug 06 15:20:16 * kpel starts foaming Aug 06 15:20:52 lcuk, it is to me. the mce bullshit is a good example. They have a fix for the softpoweroff which they can't release (I don't believe David's BS about waiting for a good time). The bug was fixed before diablo. They manage to ship a newer version of mce without the fix with the diablo release. Bullshit. Aug 06 15:21:42 * lcuk will google softpoweroff Aug 06 15:22:34 You can find the chinook source of mce here for fun : source Aug 06 15:22:38 http://repository.maemo.org/rtcomm/pool/chinook/free/source/m/ Aug 06 15:22:40 rather Aug 06 15:22:52 needs libdsme to build which unfortunatly isn't leaked Aug 06 15:23:13 not only libdsme. Aug 06 15:23:23 What else isn't leaked? Aug 06 15:23:24 libdsme headers should be trivial. Aug 06 15:23:33 is this similar to me sliding my lock button? Aug 06 15:23:43 kpel: well, at least they released the api for the accel stuff Aug 06 15:23:47 kpel: on symbian Aug 06 15:23:52 The rest of the stuff from what I can tell is available. Except for the systemui stuff come think of it. Aug 06 15:24:47 qwerty12: should be really easy to rebuild the dsme headers. Aug 06 15:25:20 I'd like to see that :). I know the powerlaunch guy has dsme reversed (mostly?). Aug 06 15:25:30 * qwerty12 is still interested in editing CAL which is controlled by dsme Aug 06 15:26:54 * qwerty12 lols at cloned n95's Aug 06 15:34:03 jott: there are two lines which are not mentioned: AC23 and AD23 Aug 06 15:34:22 as you said Aug 06 15:34:34 presumably these would go to GND rather than be left floating? Aug 06 15:37:30 glass: yeah, but as i said the customer doesn't benefit directly from that Aug 06 15:38:37 * Jaffa yawns as his Windows laptop reboots and it takes ages to get back up to speed and start all the apps Aug 06 15:44:43 Jaffa, At least your laptop doesn't go weird when using a OpenGL app in Linux and Windows :( Aug 06 15:45:18 btw, did you guys see the videos for Aurora ? Aug 06 15:49:06 which aurora? Aug 06 15:49:32 not the borealis one, right? :) Aug 06 15:53:42 qwerty12: you home... got a stupid question. I installed your high speed kernel .deb with dpkg.... is that all I need to do or do I need to run some sort of script as well Aug 06 15:54:27 brontide, sorry, please leave your message after the beep. Just run flash-and-reboot. If it says it is going to flash the initfs too, just rm the initfs file. Aug 06 15:55:17 zImage-diablo-200823 Aug 06 15:55:20 sound right? Aug 06 15:55:31 yeah Aug 06 15:55:41 thanks as always Aug 06 15:55:52 np Aug 06 15:56:36 can't wait to see if high speed and noatime can really be made to behave together as that would be a sweet upgrade Aug 06 15:57:17 Yep, I'm itching to apply your noatime fix and fanoush's line but my tablet is dead atm :( Aug 06 15:57:24 kpel, http://labs.mozilla.com/2008/08/introducing-the-concept-series-call-for-participation/ Aug 06 15:59:36 Hmmm... Is there an easy way to check to see if I'm running the high-speed kernel? Aug 06 16:00:16 If you cat /proc/version, you should see my name... Aug 06 16:00:23 bye Aug 06 16:04:09 brontide, in your bug, do you mean /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh instead of /usr/sbin/mmc-mount Aug 06 16:04:09 ? Aug 06 16:04:13 voted btw Aug 06 16:04:30 qwerty12: yep... there you are. testing speed and then testing canola. 3.5MB/s writes 5MB/s rewites.... sure looks like it's enabled ;-) now on to canola ... woot seems to work. Aug 06 16:04:44 Nope mmc-mount appears to hold the mount string Aug 06 16:05:23 Ok, I think that file is part of ke-recv which is opensource now. I'll see if I can put out a modified, packaged version for test purposes Aug 06 16:06:10 wholy speed boost batman. Full screen images in canola used to be annoyingly slow to use the d-pad to load the next one, now it's almost instantanious Aug 06 16:06:42 I've never used Canola for images. I've watched the Tokyo at night photostream but that's it :/ Aug 06 16:07:32 Where does one find this "high speed" kernel package ? :) I'm not having any troubles but wouldn't mind checking it out anyway :) Aug 06 16:07:55 GreyFoxx, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=202849&postcount=19 Aug 06 16:08:08 yay, a plug to my own post :P Aug 06 16:08:14 hehe thanks :) Aug 06 16:08:48 I'm sure other parts of the system will show similar boosts when dealing with the mmc card Aug 06 16:09:04 nomis: http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=54933 Aug 06 16:09:15 brontide, Is it worth trying something like this : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8947 ? Aug 06 16:09:33 so far most of my reading from the internal card is for video playback in mplayer or the built in media player. Haven't looked at Canola yet Aug 06 16:10:40 qwerty12: not really since we already know the highspeed kernel improves the bare speed, but compbined with the noatime the improvement will be a subjective one, more like how long does it take to ls -alR /media/mmc1 Aug 06 16:11:01 What I need to do is setup a development VM so I can start working on a mythtv remote control Aug 06 16:11:35 brontide, Ah, I see. Think it's still worth me packaging ke-recv with the fix already in it? Aug 06 16:11:51 anyone looking for a good programmer in London ? Mobile computing industry would be a plus, anything challenging is accepted Aug 06 16:11:55 I'd have to repack the deb mind you, as stage doesn't carry the diablo one. Aug 06 16:12:05 (lol at turning the recruiting process on its head) Aug 06 16:12:24 GreyFoxx: something wrong with scratchbox? Aug 06 16:12:28 crashanddie, I'll employ you. You have to wear chains and I'll pay you from the piggy bank :P Aug 06 16:12:45 qwerty12: that's up to you. I'm hoping that this will get through Nokia quickly, and it's not like it's a hard fix to do by hand Aug 06 16:12:53 qwerty12, sure, benefits ? Aug 06 16:12:56 :D Aug 06 16:13:04 lbt: At this point I haven't touched it. I just mean install ubuntu/debian/whatever is preferred and easiest for the sdk into a VM Aug 06 16:13:08 lol Aug 06 16:13:22 brontide, true. I'll leave it as it means me rebooting into linux Aug 06 16:13:41 scratchbox is so isolated you don't need a VM (unless you're running the other OS...) Aug 06 16:13:52 Really? In that case sweet Aug 06 16:14:05 yep - it basically is a chroot VM Aug 06 16:14:13 I run it off Debian testing with no issues Aug 06 16:14:22 (very few issues ;) ) Aug 06 16:14:28 Well, guess I'll be seeing how well it like Slackware :) Aug 06 16:14:32 ah Aug 06 16:14:49 Improvements with media player: No more annoying pause when opening "songs", it's a much more reasonable second or so to open 700+ songs Aug 06 16:15:14 I think the scratchbox has maemo extras so prefers a .deb based host Aug 06 16:15:46 So looks likke I'll be doing a vm then :) Aug 06 16:15:55 yup - guess so :) Aug 06 16:16:01 brontide, arrgh, your improvements are depressing me. I'll steal my sisters charger :D Aug 06 16:16:34 do you have the CPU hw to do it proper virt stuff? Aug 06 16:16:53 I run Xen but it needs a 2.6.18 base kernel :( Aug 06 16:16:58 Now I just need a "beater" n810 for my screencasting stuff Aug 06 16:16:59 lbt: vmware is my friend :) Aug 06 16:17:33 I didn't think you could make new images - or do you have a license? Aug 06 16:17:40 vmware server is free Aug 06 16:17:45 and so are the licenses Aug 06 16:18:00 has been for a couple years now Aug 06 16:18:01 oh - I thought there were limitations on creating images... Aug 06 16:18:12 i thought just the player was free? Aug 06 16:18:19 but nice then.. Aug 06 16:18:26 vmplayer use to be free with no ability to create images (which was a simplefilecopy) but they released server freely long ago now Aug 06 16:18:52 I'm getting an "unmet dependencies" error when trying to install a package, apt-get telling me that: osso-software-version-rx44: Depends: flash-and-reboot (= 3) but it is not going to be installed (and same for initfs-flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher) Aug 06 16:18:53 just fill out a little form and they give you like 5 licenses Aug 06 16:19:03 I'm waiting for Xen0 to hit upstream in 2.6.28/9 Aug 06 16:19:20 And I still have a work paid for copy from before then :) Aug 06 16:19:23 if I do apt-get -f install it wants to install these 3 packages but says "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" Aug 06 16:19:30 I do a lot of my mythtv coding in a vm Aug 06 16:19:41 I've yet to even look at Xen :) Aug 06 16:20:56 I only got Xen up a few months back - it's really pretty sweet. OTOH I've not seen VMWare and I only care about headless Aug 06 16:21:14 Using the vmware client you can do headless Aug 06 16:21:27 I just use the client to access the vmware server on various machines Aug 06 16:21:41 yeah - I just didn't want to claim that Xen was superior to anything. Aug 06 16:22:01 If it gives you direct access to PCI devices that would be pretty sweet Aug 06 16:22:09 kpel: the n800 had an fm radio, you can't say we took advantage of that Aug 06 16:22:12 but I've never looked at it so I have no idea if it does Aug 06 16:22:14 it's about resources Aug 06 16:22:15 I wonder why you care about that ;) Aug 06 16:22:20 yes, I think it does Aug 06 16:22:31 nokia has spare hardware which is mostly what was used for 770/n800/n810 Aug 06 16:22:37 there's some PCI passthru stuff which I don't really use Aug 06 16:22:39 it shows Aug 06 16:22:49 but developing drivers and stuff for a new platform requires people resources Aug 06 16:23:20 kpel: eventually nokia labs did ship a toy app for the n95 accelerometer... Aug 06 16:23:22 ahh it's a known problem I see Aug 06 16:24:36 crashanddie: keep in mind it's basically a group prototyping their own ui Aug 06 16:24:40 it's not really related to mozilla Aug 06 16:25:00 otoh, as splash/flash go, it's not a bad start Aug 06 16:25:18 if it brings more attn to labs.mozilla.com, then it really served a purpose Aug 06 16:26:07 eh ? Aug 06 16:26:40 when did I say "omg 11!!1!1!!!3 mozilla are teh c0ol, with new interfac3s" Aug 06 16:26:47 I just said aurora :P Aug 06 16:27:27 i'm not saying it's cool, i'm not really a fan of it Aug 06 16:27:41 otoh, it's not really so different from how maemo works Aug 06 16:27:50 so ? Aug 06 16:27:55 isn't that a good thing ? Aug 06 16:28:04 we have this stupid tap+hold thing which brings up an awkward context menu Aug 06 16:28:25 they have tap which brings up a managable albeit too small to read pie like widget Aug 06 16:29:08 I just noticed that when I booted up the device it didn't show the blue progress bar in the bottom of the screen (underneath nokia's logo) Aug 06 16:29:22 this happend a couple of times straight... does this mean anything? Aug 06 16:29:31 did it finish booting? Aug 06 16:29:32 timely, watch the firefox mobile idea bouncer Aug 06 16:29:45 which one's that Aug 06 16:29:54 timely, the third one on that page IIRC Aug 06 16:29:57 timely: yeah it got to the GUI Aug 06 16:30:15 timely: it's a diablo n810 Aug 06 16:30:17 afaik that's wrong... um... Aug 06 16:30:23 ask sp3000 ? Aug 06 16:31:25 timely: that's plain odd. I installed bunch of software last night but I didn't reboot it, just shut it down so I don't know if that caused it, cause I also put a screen protector now and I'm wondering if the guy screwed something up by pressing the screen protector too much down on the LCD Aug 06 16:31:28 does media player always peg the cpu at 330000 when playing? Aug 06 16:32:25 brontide, it uses the dsp which can only be ran at CPU/DSP 330/200 by default. With kernel mods, it can be ran at 400/166 Aug 06 16:33:01 ok, that's not a power drain on it? Aug 06 16:33:07 the power's equivalent Aug 06 16:33:13 it's a matter of balancing what's using it Aug 06 16:33:23 the 200 for dsp was seen as more important for your video Aug 06 16:33:35 gotcha Aug 06 16:33:55 i just figured why not 166/200 or it more of a bus limitation Aug 06 16:34:04 Nokia should integrate the patch by default that lets you choose the op_mode of the dsp. I have it in one of my kernels and I can switch between 330/200 and 400/166 when I want Aug 06 16:34:05 timeless: exactly. eventually... it would be so much nicer if the accelerometer was a feature that could be presented during the release Aug 06 16:34:20 kpel: the same applies to the radio Aug 06 16:34:33 but again, there's a limit to the amount of man power + testing Aug 06 16:34:51 kpel: i know of a couple of things which are probably going to not be present in the next release Aug 06 16:35:07 true. but if you see you cannot afford resources to use component X, why use it and make the cost go up? Aug 06 16:35:19 that's not how things work Aug 06 16:35:34 and i'm already starting to bug people about trying to have some path for some third party to work on it so that if all the stars align perhaps some third party can ship on day 0 Aug 06 16:35:35 tigert: do you work for nokia? Aug 06 16:35:40 nokia buys most components in bulk Aug 06 16:35:44 sorry, i meant timeless Aug 06 16:35:47 and a component may have 5 functions Aug 06 16:35:47 duh Aug 06 16:35:49 yes. Aug 06 16:35:55 if you use 4/5 functions Aug 06 16:36:10 then it's probably still cheaper than 2 other components that do just those 4 functions Aug 06 16:36:20 especially if that component is shared w/ nokia phones Aug 06 16:36:25 timely: with autobuilder won't extras have the ability to be ready day 0 next time? Aug 06 16:36:39 assuming the SDK can be seeded Aug 06 16:36:46 brontide: the SDK is key here Aug 06 16:36:50 brontide, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-December/013555.html Aug 06 16:36:51 that and seeding the idea Aug 06 16:37:05 my poor memory shows no sign of anyone jumping on the missing component Aug 06 16:37:15 which means while in theory it could work, in practice it won't Aug 06 16:39:06 maybe a clue x4 at the summit can help Aug 06 16:39:28 timely: yes, i understand economies of scale but still, i think that there is a lot of untapped potential on the hardware nokia ships to the market. e.g. i'd love to see some good nokis app for my n95 that uses the accelerometer. nokia has the potential to boost symbian applications with that ovi portal. it's s shame not to take that extra step. Aug 06 16:40:00 kpel: you won't here me arguing against that Aug 06 16:40:16 believe me, no one was happy that we didn't ship an fm radio app for the n800 Aug 06 16:40:32 Hi ! Aug 06 16:40:40 timeless: where is the internet tablet team bsed? finland? Aug 06 16:40:50 that %$£&^%£^£"^ nick completion Aug 06 16:41:04 lol Aug 06 16:41:04 * timely is timeless Aug 06 16:41:49 How can you be timely in a timeless world? Aug 06 16:42:00 depends on how i'm feeling Aug 06 16:42:03 lol Aug 06 16:42:05 hehe Aug 06 16:42:55 kpel, seeing that most job offers (if not all) are for finland, yeah Aug 06 16:43:00 kpel, which majorly sucks :D Aug 06 16:43:01 "it's a quantum thing" Aug 06 16:43:02 to answer your question, helsinki Aug 06 16:43:24 crashanddie: hey, in the summer you can play volleyball on the beach at midnight as the sun sets Aug 06 16:43:24 well, at least it's not oulu :P Aug 06 16:43:38 timely, I wouldn't mind living in Finland Aug 06 16:43:39 yeah, we've severed nearly all of our ties w/ oulu (cheers!) Aug 06 16:43:51 timely, but it sucks that I just moved to London, and not Helsinki :P Aug 06 16:44:52 in london you can't play voleyball even at midday :P Aug 06 16:45:09 I want to live inside Utsjoki. Non stop sunlight and coldness. Aug 06 16:45:11 :P Aug 06 16:45:11 come in Paris Aug 06 16:45:18 Khertan_n810, no thank you Aug 06 16:45:24 try and u will due to pollution Aug 06 16:45:39 i'd rather go to south france Aug 06 16:45:45 blue coast Aug 06 16:45:57 kpel > bof bof Aug 06 16:46:06 I was going to take my wife to paris this spring, but then I got sick for a *month* Aug 06 16:46:15 :( Aug 06 16:46:19 overpriced and too many people Aug 06 16:46:25 Bet your wife wasn't too happy :p Aug 06 16:46:30 no place to play volley Aug 06 16:46:39 then let's all go to oulu Aug 06 16:46:46 not as unhappy as when she found out I was going to germany Aug 06 16:46:48 :-P Aug 06 16:46:52 it will be just us, the locals and the polar bears Aug 06 16:47:15 actually i might have to go to oulu one day Aug 06 16:47:27 i hope it will be late spring Aug 06 16:50:19 has anyone had a problem with n800 where files appear to occupy more space than their actual size? Aug 06 16:51:37 ~lart garage. slow again. Aug 06 16:51:38 * infobot stabs garage. slow again. Aug 06 16:51:51 infobot, nice, you are learning east london methods Aug 06 16:51:52 I think you lost me on that one, qwerty12 Aug 06 16:52:07 * qwerty12 stabs infobot Aug 06 16:52:13 east london? with no knives involved? Aug 06 16:52:45 hehe Aug 06 16:54:05 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7545002.stm 0_o Aug 06 16:54:45 is there an fsck tool for jffs partitions, for diablo? Aug 06 16:55:08 No, jffs2 does its own checks on startup. Hence the tablet rebooting sometimes while booting. Aug 06 16:55:09 kpel: the internal jffs2? Aug 06 16:55:18 omg, poor guy Aug 06 16:55:48 timely: yes, i want to check the internal partition Aug 06 16:55:48 It's almost a stupid cause of death as the guy peeing on the train track though :/ Aug 06 16:56:14 um Aug 06 16:56:23 isn't the track at earth potential? Aug 06 16:56:40 Chinese immigrant who stabbed, gutted and beheaded a fellow passenger on a bus traveling across Canada last week also cannibalized the victim and pocketed his nose, lips and ear, Aug 06 16:56:51 or what country is dumb enough to make train tracks hot? qwerty12 Aug 06 16:56:52 strange loot Aug 06 16:57:43 pupnik, http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1453527.ece Aug 06 16:57:45 ... Aug 06 16:58:03 so he did all those things to the victim, on a bus, and noone noticed? Aug 06 16:58:03 penguinbait, yeah, heard about that one. the killer sounded retarded Aug 06 16:59:04 freaking wierdo Aug 06 16:59:41 after killing him, he holds the head and shows it to the passengers like its a f***** prize Aug 06 16:59:52 *it's Aug 06 17:00:12 chinese immigrant, sounds like what a crazy ninja would do :P Aug 06 17:01:14 hey! any news on Diablo power usage problems? Aug 06 17:03:01 power usage problem ? Aug 06 17:03:03 is there a bug? Aug 06 17:03:07 i ve anyone ... Aug 06 17:03:19 the only power usage problems i know of are iPod Touch/Phone 2.0 related :) Aug 06 17:03:26 lol Aug 06 17:03:31 kill off modest. I'd say browserd too but alas we need it. Aug 06 17:03:35 it s the only one i know too Aug 06 17:03:55 you can of course try disabling meta crawler Aug 06 17:05:01 I've run into a number of battery draining loops since upgrading to Diablo... modest and icd do it to me Aug 06 17:05:23 um, icd typically means your router is programmed to kill your device dead Aug 06 17:05:27 blame your router vendor Aug 06 17:05:41 modest is a pita. despite having no accounts and automatic updating disabled, it still runs. I can't see what init script starts it up too. Aug 06 17:05:47 Or what it is scheduled by. Aug 06 17:05:53 hrm Aug 06 17:06:00 mxr.maemo.org/diablo didn't help? Aug 06 17:06:07 that seems like something you could trivially discover Aug 06 17:06:12 Haven't tried that, thanks Aug 06 17:06:25 mange: there are no diablo power usage problems Aug 06 17:06:39 mange: your problem is most likely caused by an application eating CPU Aug 06 17:07:08 well, ever since i upgraded from chinook to diablo, my n810 has had significantly worse battery time Aug 06 17:07:22 I don't have this Aug 06 17:07:23 and every time ive stopped by here to discuss, people have agreed that something is fishy :) Aug 06 17:07:45 mange: you can try top, or htop, or the cpu meter applet Aug 06 17:08:09 * qwerty12 prefers htop over busybox top Aug 06 17:08:26 is there a way to reflash to chinook easily? Aug 06 17:08:33 that would solve all my problems :) Aug 06 17:08:36 The same way you upgraded Aug 06 17:09:17 mange: flashing today doesn't care which way you go Aug 06 17:09:29 you give it a flash file, it'll take it and destroy whatever is on the device Aug 06 17:09:34 I would recomend against it Aug 06 17:09:38 * timely reads http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/modest-1.0-2008.23/debian/modest.install Aug 06 17:09:59 zap? whats up with chinook - its stable for lots of people Aug 06 17:10:10 I don't see a single reason for it Aug 06 17:10:51 diablo is just an incremental upgrade to it - the core stuff works doesnt it? Aug 06 17:11:24 More like a bugfix release. Shame they introduced a few bugs though. Aug 06 17:11:35 it's a useless operation, that is. If you install chinook and install same progs, it will be the same Aug 06 17:11:56 [rant]People are never happy, no matter how hard others try[/rant] Aug 06 17:12:13 not really zap, he was obviously happy with it - usage profiles vary between users Aug 06 17:12:48 i was very happy with chinook, the only reason to why i got diablo was to run agps util, but that didn't improve time-to-fix for gps much (at least not for me ..), so now i have bought a BT gps instead, which works fine Aug 06 17:13:24 offhand, my guess is that modest is being triggered via dbus Aug 06 17:14:00 timely, yeah, i'd have to agree with you. There is no cron daemon by default and I don't see any entries in alarmd last time I looked Aug 06 17:14:02 if i'm right, i suspect deleting the .desktop or similar files would cause it to stop being annoying Aug 06 17:14:17 I should just rename the binary Aug 06 17:14:25 can i shut down modest completely? i really dont need the auto-check-for-email thingie, i just want it to check whenever i launch the mail program manually Aug 06 17:14:27 oh sure... be cruel Aug 06 17:14:32 or downgrade to chinook Aug 06 17:14:33 :P Aug 06 17:14:42 nah, my diablo is too pimped out now :P Aug 06 17:15:02 * johnx installed the chinook version of modest on diablo with good results Aug 06 17:15:12 heh Aug 06 17:15:25 at the time the chinook version was newer, IIRC Aug 06 17:15:34 * lcuk installs modest Aug 06 17:15:35 I need to set up mmc boot so I can use mtd-utils to dump my rootfs Aug 06 17:17:08 lcuk, if you're installing the chinook version on diablo be prepared to handle some conflicting deps... Aug 06 17:17:35 i meant installing modest y to my own head - i keep having trouble fitting through doors at times Aug 06 17:17:47 oops Aug 06 17:17:54 * timely has firebug enabled Aug 06 17:18:05 lcuk, I think you should add brain as a dependency :P Aug 06 17:19:12 Hmm, that seemed uncalled for, sorry. Aug 06 17:19:56 >cp /qwerty12/head/brain /head/brain Aug 06 17:19:56 0 bytes copied. Aug 06 17:19:56 > Aug 06 17:20:45 My brain is on protected storage :P Aug 06 17:20:53 package not found Aug 06 17:21:10 * qwerty12 seems to remember saying this about lcuk last time :P Aug 06 17:21:32 * lcuk takes a pinch of salt Aug 06 17:21:50 you have lost they password ? Aug 06 17:22:01 sx/thay/the Aug 06 17:22:17 my brain is an entire system installed with random selection of packages and dpkg -i --force-depends. Aug 06 17:22:20 :P Aug 06 17:22:55 some timely to port pycrypto on diablo ? Aug 06 17:22:56 Why not go for it all and use --force-all :P Aug 06 17:23:04 someone enough timely to port pycrypto on diablo ? Aug 06 17:23:29 qwerty12: that's pure insanity Aug 06 17:23:30 :P Aug 06 17:23:42 I know, that's why I'm insane, MUAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 06 17:24:00 btw, whats the type of memory card i should get if i want to use in my n810? micro-SD? Aug 06 17:24:15 Khertan_n810, Come on, you are the resident python expert here Aug 06 17:24:28 lol Aug 06 17:24:46 but gcc don t work on my nit Aug 06 17:24:48 pycrypto? why would you want to disguise a pie? Aug 06 17:24:51 yes it does Aug 06 17:25:01 its configure and stuff that doesnt Aug 06 17:25:09 just need to be compiled from debian Aug 06 17:25:31 Would you really want that? I'm reading dates like 6 years from their cvs Aug 06 17:25:46 lcuk, get a proper shell and coreutils :P Aug 06 17:25:54 and dpkg ... and autothings Aug 06 17:25:56 :) Aug 06 17:25:57 should pass configure tests then... Aug 06 17:26:02 also, what kind of speed should I get if i buy a memory card for the N810? I see there are cards that are capable of 20 MB/s, but i guess the unit itself cant write that fast anyway.. right? Aug 06 17:26:09 dpkg works - i can build packages from nit Aug 06 17:26:30 took superjott's help mind you Aug 06 17:26:56 and i think i broke the furry dice on my mirror Aug 06 17:27:48 luck depends on rules file Aug 06 17:27:49 many need to be rewrited to avoid things like 'bad signal 's'' Aug 06 17:27:49 * qwerty12 prefers fuzzy dice even :P Aug 06 17:28:20 * timely pokes Khertan_n810 Aug 06 17:28:24 Why rewrite the rules file? Just replace the busybox version of the corrosponding app. Aug 06 17:28:27 * timely doesn't touch python Aug 06 17:28:45 s/corrosponding/corresponding/ Aug 06 17:28:46 qwerty12 meant: Why rewrite the rules file? Just replace the busybox version of the corresponding app. Aug 06 17:31:23 timely>peek ? Aug 06 17:31:58 Can anyone help me debug a DNS resolution problem in scratchbox? I seem to have a problem that's not the usual "you have mdns in your nsswitch.conf file" Aug 06 17:32:25 I can resolve fine outside scratchbox, but no program inside scratchbox can resolve -- *sometimes*. It comes and goes Aug 06 17:34:02 ywwg: installed dnsmasq? Aug 06 17:34:08 (on host os) Aug 06 17:34:15 (not in scratchbox) Aug 06 17:35:01 zap: dunno, let me check Aug 06 17:35:31 zap: no Aug 06 17:35:47 scratchbox resolves through 127.0.0.1 Aug 06 17:35:58 so you have either to change /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox Aug 06 17:36:04 (in every configuration) Aug 06 17:36:09 or install dnsmasq and forget about it Aug 06 17:39:03 here's Echelon, spying on us Aug 06 17:40:33 zap: do I have to restart anything in scratchbox for dnsmasq to start working?? Aug 06 17:40:53 no Aug 06 17:41:04 afair dnsmasq starts working immediately after you install it Aug 06 17:43:05 zap: hm, no change Aug 06 17:44:01 ywwg: try "dig @127.0.0.1 google.com" Aug 06 17:44:08 outside of scratchbox Aug 06 17:44:25 do you want me to paste the whole thing? Aug 06 17:44:35 no Aug 06 17:44:35 (it works) Aug 06 17:44:36 it works? Aug 06 17:44:38 ok Aug 06 17:44:54 now try cat /etc/resolv.conf in scratchbox Aug 06 17:45:20 nameserver 127.0.0.1 Aug 06 17:45:38 hm Aug 06 17:45:48 and ping 127.0.0.1 works from scratchbox? Aug 06 17:46:01 command not found :P Aug 06 17:46:19 which I would apt-get if I could... maybe I should just download the package manually Aug 06 17:46:31 ugh Aug 06 17:46:33 um Aug 06 17:47:33 it doesn't work from a user account anyway Aug 06 17:47:40 do you know of any conflicts with networkmanager? it seems to die if I switch from wired to wireless connection Aug 06 17:47:44 * zap wonders what's wrong with diablo ping Aug 06 17:47:47 (ubuntu hardy) Aug 06 17:47:59 ywwg: I don't have netmanager running Aug 06 17:48:18 but it shouldn't be a problem, because netmanager doesn't touch localhost Aug 06 17:48:39 try netcat package Aug 06 17:48:45 it will work from a user account Aug 06 17:48:51 and ping doesn't, for some jerky reason Aug 06 17:49:42 I don't know how to use netcat, what to type? Aug 06 17:49:59 netcat --help Aug 06 17:50:07 :) Aug 06 17:50:43 heh Aug 06 17:51:21 ywwg: type 'netcat -l -p 1234' on host Aug 06 17:51:34 and 'netcat 127.0.0.1 1234' in sb Aug 06 17:51:58 no output Aug 06 17:52:01 if it connects, try entering something from one side Aug 06 17:52:03 and from another Aug 06 17:52:04 oh Aug 06 17:52:17 that works Aug 06 17:52:25 hm ok, so network works within sb Aug 06 17:52:34 an IR transceiver requires LOS right? Aug 06 17:52:38 and you say 'dig @127.0.0.1' works outside sb? Aug 06 17:52:40 and doesn't inside? Aug 06 17:52:49 liran_: what's LOS? Aug 06 17:52:56 line of sight? yes Aug 06 17:53:01 sorry, that's an RF term Aug 06 17:53:05 yeap, line of sight. Aug 06 17:53:09 zap: I haven't tried the dig from inside Aug 06 17:53:20 ywwg: theres no dig for sb, alas Aug 06 17:53:48 I wonder how far I can put an IR transceiver from actual appliances. like say if it would work from 4-5 meters long with LOS but about 60 degrees off Aug 06 17:54:05 zap: ah well Aug 06 17:54:16 ywwg: try nc 127.0.0.1 53 Aug 06 17:54:23 that should connect to dnsmasq tcp socket Aug 06 17:54:34 but you won't be able to enter a binary record anyway Aug 06 17:54:44 you'll at least see if it's possible to connect to it Aug 06 17:54:49 it does connect Aug 06 17:55:15 very strange them Aug 06 17:55:18 try to exit sb Aug 06 17:55:22 and open it again Aug 06 17:55:23 should work Aug 06 17:55:33 you don't have a firewall, do you? Aug 06 17:55:51 zap: I just did an strace wget google.com, and it's not trying to hit 127.0.0.1 for dns Aug 06 17:56:06 anyone have experience with Kingston microSD + Kingston microSD to miniSD adapters? I read on the forum that some adapters doesn't work well with n810 Aug 06 17:56:06 it's trying 68.87.73.242 Aug 06 17:56:24 have you edited nsswitch.conf? Aug 06 17:56:50 no Aug 06 17:57:10 I'm out of ideas then Aug 06 17:57:16 hmph Aug 06 17:57:24 well thanks for the help, I have some tools I can use now Aug 06 18:07:05 zap: aha, that ip address is a comcast DNS router Aug 06 18:07:24 zap: so it's got something cached where it's trying to use that server instead of my one here at work Aug 06 18:07:28 um, maybe it advertises himself somehow? and your linux kernel is picking it up? Aug 06 18:07:43 I think it's a scratchbox issue, since everything works fine outside it Aug 06 18:12:50 hello everyone Aug 06 18:13:08 i'm having an issue right now where mysql is ignoring the error-log parameter, prefering to put all logging stuff into /var/log/messages. any suggestions? Aug 06 18:14:14 uhm, what does that have to do with Maemo? :) Aug 06 18:14:31 lol Aug 06 18:14:34 thought i was in #mysql Aug 06 18:14:36 sorry guys! Aug 06 18:16:49 lol Aug 06 18:17:28 Doh, no qwerty Aug 06 18:21:22 zap: ok I got it Aug 06 18:21:41 zap: in scratchbox there's /etc/resolv.conf, but it's actually looking in /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Aug 06 18:21:45 which has the wrong info Aug 06 18:22:00 why? Aug 06 18:22:23 chroot wrongly? Aug 06 18:22:31 oh Aug 06 18:22:41 I have it modified by NetworkManager too Aug 06 18:22:52 looks like scratchbox is copying over your host's resolv.conf Aug 06 18:23:15 zap: no it's not touching the system resolv.conf, just this weird alternate-location one Aug 06 18:23:17 strange Aug 06 18:23:55 I have /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf identic to my host's /etc/resolv.conf Aug 06 18:24:00 which is set by dhcp client Aug 06 18:24:16 timely > why microb is so slow when 20 windows is open with flash content ? is Aug 06 18:24:18 :) Aug 06 18:24:56 zap: mine isn't. maybe it should be a symlink Aug 06 18:25:02 ywwg: and what's even more strange, if I stop dnsmasq on host, apt-get update still works and downloads Aug 06 18:25:08 no, it shouldn't be a symlink Aug 06 18:25:19 but I believe it's copied with sbox_ctl start or something Aug 06 18:25:39 but nc cannot resolve addresses when dnsmasq is stopped, so it uses /etc/resolv.conf Aug 06 18:26:08 so in fact it looks like some apps use /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf while others use /etc/resolv.conf Aug 06 18:26:11 oh my Aug 06 18:27:01 who cares about standards, eh? Aug 06 18:27:47 zap: awesome Aug 06 18:27:55 maybe it's bug-filing time Aug 06 18:28:11 i'm sure all these glitches will be ironed out once a formal process (liek a maemo-devel-HOWTO) is in place Aug 06 19:07:40 hmm, zap, still here? now my n810 is in that power drain mode again Aug 06 19:07:54 and if i check with "top", there is a maemo-launcher taking 98% cpu all the time Aug 06 19:08:01 what is maemo launcher? Aug 06 19:09:34 modest is launched from maemo-launcher Aug 06 19:09:42 install htop to get a better idea Aug 06 19:09:56 to fix it temporarily run, killall modest Aug 06 19:10:11 it will respawn later, but maybe it won't soak up 100% CPU for a while Aug 06 19:11:21 /o\ camera broked my nokia Aug 06 19:12:16 lcuk: how'd you do that? Aug 06 19:12:27 hi johnx Aug 06 19:12:32 i dunno but it just locked and shutdown Aug 06 19:12:41 hi lardman Aug 06 19:13:18 anyways, got to be headed out to work in a couple hours, so off to get some sleep O_o Aug 06 19:13:49 I wonder if we can find a connection diagram for an H3 board? Aug 06 19:14:00 night night then Aug 06 19:14:31 even after restarting the problem persists... Aug 06 19:14:37 ive just popped the battery Aug 06 19:14:48 h3? omap test board? Aug 06 19:14:55 yeah Aug 06 19:14:58 cool Aug 06 19:15:28 i see your lifelong dream of video out (well, daylong) is in pieces after superjott found a disconnected wire Aug 06 19:16:22 yeah, well I live in hope that there are other ways of doing it ;) Aug 06 19:16:24 damn x-fade for mentioning it Aug 06 19:16:32 and X-Fade seemed to think it would work Aug 06 19:16:33 yer, would be good Aug 06 19:16:54 wow, nokia takes qt really serious :) http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/10/ http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt Aug 06 19:17:05 ooops, after popping the battery its still not working, must be something idid Aug 06 19:17:11 yep. they do Aug 06 19:17:29 you would take something seriously if you paid over 100million for it Aug 06 19:18:03 still quite unexpected news :) Aug 06 19:18:13 thats pocket change for nokia Aug 06 19:18:27 off to the pub, bbl Aug 06 19:18:31 cya later lard Aug 06 19:18:41 I think its pretty clear that QT is Nokia's main focus for the future Aug 06 19:18:54 yep. Aug 06 19:18:56 I'm sure looking at kernel code after a few beers will be easier ;) Aug 06 19:18:59 not main focus Aug 06 19:19:01 heh Aug 06 19:19:16 lpotter: Main as in gtk vs QT Aug 06 19:19:17 its like glue that will pull all parts together Aug 06 19:19:22 lpotter: well as toolkit :) Aug 06 19:19:33 maemo/S60 are still relevant Aug 06 19:20:02 i hope to god we dont see one size fits all apps - desktop and mobile apps with identical interfaces would suck Aug 06 19:20:02 or, rather hildon Aug 06 19:20:05 whos to say QT doesn't pop up on S60 in the future? Aug 06 19:20:30 it isnt already? Aug 06 19:20:37 JamieBennett: I think there has already been an announcement such as that Aug 06 19:20:46 Ah must of missed that Aug 06 19:21:05 and qt on hildon is also getting along nicely :) Aug 06 19:21:06 it was in the 'takeover of Trolltech' announcement, I think Aug 06 19:21:18 It makes a lot of sence Aug 06 19:21:50 at linuxtag i was mentally playing a drinking game, every time a nokian mentioned qt i had a shot. i think by about 10 minutes into it i was wasted Aug 06 19:22:06 heh Aug 06 19:22:27 Same for the Summit then? Aug 06 19:22:35 nahhh qt is old hat and coming Aug 06 19:22:40 need new games Aug 06 19:26:13 the fremantle drinking game? Aug 06 19:27:32 but thats expected isnt it? Aug 06 19:27:43 lots of drinks though ;) Aug 06 19:28:34 heh Aug 06 19:29:23 I think we have bug in gcc (or g++). This program http://pastebin.com/m6a53a271 works if compiled with gcc, but when compiled with g++ it crashes every time when thread exits :( Aug 06 19:29:52 some games are hitting this problem hard Aug 06 19:30:47 if somebody can make this work, that would be great :) Aug 06 19:31:03 g++ is the c++ compiler Aug 06 19:31:07 that is c code Aug 06 19:31:16 mikkov_: the underlying assumption that C and C++ are compatible is bogus - not that I'd be very enthusiastic to debug this... :) Aug 06 19:31:58 theres nothing wrong here :) Aug 06 19:32:23 also using threads almost always makes code more complicated... Aug 06 19:32:36 yes that's c code, but there are programs written with C++ which are doing the same thing. and that program works if compiled for x86 Aug 06 19:32:56 mikkov_, different issue then - show us the c++ code which breaks Aug 06 19:33:11 openlierox svn ;) Aug 06 19:35:32 mikkov_: I am no expert on sdl, but an example on SDL_CreateThread() I found online used a different signature for the thread callback. Aug 06 19:35:49 wait, bogus example. Aug 06 19:36:00 ignore me. Aug 06 19:36:51 /ignore nomis Aug 06 19:36:54 :P Aug 06 19:37:19 nomis, threads are fun anywa Aug 06 19:37:37 lcuk: I try to avoid them whenever possible. Aug 06 19:37:54 obviously good practice, but sometimes you cannot avoid them Aug 06 19:38:44 yeah. Aug 06 19:39:09 im just having to use a thread for the camera (infact gstreamer itself does it for me) Aug 06 19:39:58 yeah. you cannot avoid them with gstreamer. Aug 06 19:40:19 not that it matters, im gonna have to do similar with my networking code Aug 06 19:40:48 maybe openlierox coding style isn't very good. Is there somewhere proper c++ example with sdl threads? (looking) Aug 06 19:40:54 for a project at work the guy implementing the most important app used them for everything. The code ended up to be infected with all kinds of mutexes and locks - it was pure horror. Aug 06 19:41:57 nomis, ewwwww keep things linear and simple. that way when you realise you cannot work without threads you can transfer Aug 06 19:42:48 (that project also reinforced my distaste for C++) Aug 06 19:42:53 we have a vb.shit application at work which is similar - the worst part is coding bugs exist which he shrugs shoulders at and has no knowedge of how to debug or see what the issue is Aug 06 19:43:25 c++ can work nicely, im happy with c for the time being but think i need some templates to assist me Aug 06 19:44:17 lcuk: if you want to read a quite biased explantation why c++ is bad: http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ :) Aug 06 19:45:35 i know it can be abused (badly) Aug 06 19:45:56 lcuk: well, C can be abused as well. Aug 06 19:46:30 but not quite so badly - operator overloading is the main culprit Aug 06 19:46:31 lcuk: there are huge design flaws in C++ that make the language hard to use properly. Aug 06 19:59:10 well, c is just plain hard to use properly Aug 06 19:59:24 lpotter: Not really Aug 06 19:59:35 lpotter, nahhhh, c is a dream. its logical and concise Aug 06 19:59:47 hi, has anyone else seen problems with the autobuilder in the last days? (i uploaded my new package, canola-flickr-plugin yesterday, builds for chinook and diablo went fine, but the package does not appear in the repository) Aug 06 20:00:01 nomis, :) im readin that c++ thing and agreeing with most of it Aug 06 20:00:36 C is nice for what it does (which is a lot) Aug 06 20:00:56 Can anyone tell me where I would find the "flash-and-reboot" package ?:) Aug 06 20:00:57 libc's and cc's otoh... Aug 06 20:01:07 C is gods own language ;) Aug 06 20:01:08 c gets tedious though when implimenting a set of classes Aug 06 20:01:18 Anybody have a link to the revised logo? Modest is being lame at the moment. Aug 06 20:01:26 c is tedious Aug 06 20:01:40 extending the language is one of those things that C doesn't do too well Aug 06 20:01:55 lpotter, hence me wanting my own templates Aug 06 20:02:15 https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_glaoliver_1.png Aug 06 20:02:17 lcuk: wait till you get to the part about templates :) Aug 06 20:02:20 You end up with preprocessors, interpreters or something else Aug 06 20:02:35 after 16 years of C programming I can personally say C has been by far the most effective language I have used Aug 06 20:02:40 i already know the problems with ++ templates Aug 06 20:03:01 i mean IDE templates - quick code insertion with params Aug 06 20:03:24 I wanted to go for a smoke, but when I got outside, I noticed the rain and lightning... Guess what I'm doing... Aug 06 20:03:33 smoking inside? Aug 06 20:03:40 nope Aug 06 20:03:43 covering in a corner? Aug 06 20:03:45 Getting wet Aug 06 20:03:48 heh Aug 06 20:03:56 get used to it Aug 06 20:04:06 oh, and welcome to england Aug 06 20:04:08 Or quit smoking Aug 06 20:04:09 or stop smoking :) Aug 06 20:04:12 * GAN800 can't wait to be back to a real connection. Aug 06 20:04:46 * lcuk is too tired to actually do anything tonight Aug 06 20:05:07 Oh btw Maemo. Andy says hi Aug 06 20:05:12 lcuk: real programmers do not use IDE (tm) Aug 06 20:05:29 brontide, that's not the revised logo. Aug 06 20:05:36 RST38h, "syntax highlighting text editor" and shell :) Aug 06 20:05:38 RST38h: they do, they use EMACS Aug 06 20:05:52 Real programmers pipe cat directly into gcc Aug 06 20:05:54 lbt: urgh Aug 06 20:05:58 oh yes Aug 06 20:06:15 real programmers enter binary directly onto the switches on the front of the altair Aug 06 20:06:30 GAN800: that's the logo winner, were you looking for something else? Aug 06 20:06:58 dneary just posted a revision of the winner to maemo-community. Aug 06 20:07:01 the revised version Aug 06 20:07:08 https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_logo_contest this one? Aug 06 20:07:11 I wasn't sure if there were Aug 06 20:07:17 lcuk :P I did 6 years commerically with z80 assembler :D Aug 06 20:07:20 a real link to that available. Aug 06 20:07:41 JamieBennett, i did about the same typing in hex randomly into my spectrum Aug 06 20:07:46 at least it wasn't 8051... Aug 06 20:07:50 GAN800, haven't seen the revised one yet Aug 06 20:08:01 lcuk for a job? Aug 06 20:08:03 :D Aug 06 20:08:07 Just hit maemo-community I guess Aug 06 20:08:21 GAN800: I did? Aug 06 20:08:24 Which you should all be subscribed to. :) Aug 06 20:08:25 errrr Aug 06 20:08:36 lol Aug 06 20:08:37 Yes, I did! Aug 06 20:08:37 Maybe I misread Aug 06 20:08:45 I also put it in the weekee Aug 06 20:08:48 * GAN800 I mobile and tired. Aug 06 20:09:10 it looks much better without the gradient. Aug 06 20:09:12 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/attachments/20080806/7ad48e2c/attachment.png Aug 06 20:09:25 I thought https://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_glaoliver_1.png was going to be updated to always point to the latest version... Aug 06 20:09:37 I guess not ( yet ) Aug 06 20:09:55 Gradient gone, thank god. Aug 06 20:09:58 the contest page has the up-to-date one Aug 06 20:10:02 lbt: I noticed that as my blog points to that image Aug 06 20:10:05 brontide: well since dneary is here I guess it won't be long... Aug 06 20:10:07 I just noticed something... To the uneducated mind, lcuk mind sound like "el cuk" Aug 06 20:10:26 he's a chef Aug 06 20:10:35 mhm, the "R" in the ".ORG" bugs me a bit. It is either too small or sitting too low. Aug 06 20:10:42 This link will probably be the up-to-date one https://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/8f/Maemo_org_logo.png Aug 06 20:10:44 * lcuk wont explain his none typo temporary nick Aug 06 20:10:46 yeah... or something more male focused Aug 06 20:11:06 nomis, prob an optimcal illusion Aug 06 20:11:35 I'm going to watch TV in the bath - l8r... Aug 06 20:11:40 lbt: We did ask that the glaoliver1 be updated as modifications were made, but that didn't happen Aug 06 20:11:42 * lcuk wonders how the m got in there Aug 06 20:11:43 I see the optical delusion as well Aug 06 20:11:53 I think I'm going to leave that version there for posteriors Aug 06 20:11:57 I mean posterity Aug 06 20:12:36 it is NO optical illusion :) Aug 06 20:12:38 Isn't lcuk pronounced "luck" in the same way as fcuk is pronounced "french connection UK"? Aug 06 20:12:58 :D heh no but i like your thinking Aug 06 20:13:09 someone probably aligned the R on the baseline with the O and G, ignoring that the latter both extend a bit below the designed baseline to compensate for optical effects. Aug 06 20:13:09 the R is a bit smaller. Aug 06 20:13:39 In the logo the horizontal bar of the R is 1.x pixels lower than the bar of the G. Aug 06 20:13:59 w000t, ibm open sourced supercomputer code Aug 06 20:14:17 now everyone can use their supercomputers without paying a license fee \o/ Aug 06 20:14:23 plus the letters need a bit more spacing around the R Aug 06 20:14:31 woo, time to run the nuclear tests i've been waiting for Aug 06 20:14:32 :P Aug 06 20:14:39 / simulations Aug 06 20:15:04 maybe not, dont know the license yet Aug 06 20:15:34 "You may not use this for constructing doomsday devices" Aug 06 20:15:35 Stskeeps: or just transcode all my bloody AVCHD video files to something more reasonable like a .mov Aug 06 20:16:30 royal pain in the bottom Aug 06 20:16:31 I believe you can mux avc into mov without transcoding Aug 06 20:16:38 Not that it would reduce CPU requirements one bit Aug 06 20:17:24 back later Aug 06 20:17:48 ShadowJK if you have suggestions on how to transform a HD AVCHD file into a .mov then I'm all ear's, it really is a pain and I haven't got it working 100% yet Aug 06 20:18:51 wonderful spotty california cellular coverage Aug 06 20:19:17 california isn't perfect? ;-) Aug 06 20:19:53 Ha, that's what I said! Aug 06 20:20:05 Hoho, TV is showing a movie made from Lovecraft novels Aug 06 20:20:17 Cthulhu will eat 'em allllll! Aug 06 20:20:18 The People's Republik just aint all it's cracked up to be. Aug 06 20:21:18 Maybe you can help them with their accounting system there Aug 06 20:21:45 GAN: I am sure Verizon is never spotty =) Aug 06 20:22:10 Nah, my dad's phone is bad too. ;) Aug 06 20:22:13 liran_: well, one way is to have the charger connected, in which case you're not really shutting down, and don't get a progress bar Aug 06 20:23:03 or, to be more precise, that's the only way I can think of :) Aug 06 20:23:35 * brontide is signing off for a few hours... family time Aug 06 20:24:32 Stskeeps: ohhh dfsg 6 Aug 06 20:28:40 i love eureka :) Aug 06 20:29:13 sp3000: eh? Aug 06 20:29:59 why, http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines of course Aug 06 20:31:46 sp3000: yes, obviously, but not sure what it was in context of :) my "you may not use this for constructing doomsday devices", or? :P Aug 06 20:32:24 right, your anti-software-freedom doomsday shunning! :P Aug 06 20:32:38 hehe Aug 06 20:32:58 yeah, that'd violate 6) :P Aug 06 20:34:37 No doomsday devices? Where is fun then? Aug 06 20:36:26 sp3000: nope, the charger wasn't connected to it. Aug 06 20:37:00 * RST38h warms up vacuum tubes in his doomsday device Aug 06 20:37:13 sp3000: I now reset like 2 times and I got the progress bar, though there were at least 2-3 other times where I shutdown and turned on again (no charger) and no progress bar was shown Aug 06 20:48:37 viva la community Aug 06 21:05:25 * mgedmin WANT mmpc for diablo Aug 06 21:05:55 whats that? Aug 06 21:06:09 nice musicpd client Aug 06 21:06:25 was it available for chinook? Aug 06 21:06:32 hm, the domain is musicpd.org; the thing itself is mpd Aug 06 21:06:40 anyway, yes, it was, and when I tried to rebuild it for diablo Aug 06 21:06:48 I got stuck on missing packages (libgladesomething, iirc)? Aug 06 21:06:57 can you use the chinook .deb you built? Aug 06 21:07:22 did I build the chinook deb? Aug 06 21:07:49 i dunno - by your mentioning diablo specifically i thought you meant you had it before Aug 06 21:07:54 I see mmpc 0.1 in my mistral and bora dists, in the other/ syubdir Aug 06 21:08:11 which means I downloaded the .deb from somewhere that was not a repo and put it in mine for convenience Aug 06 21:08:32 * mgedmin checks mmpc.garage.maemo.org ... ... ... timeout Aug 06 21:08:48 garage.maemo.org .... ... ... ... timeout Aug 06 21:08:50 * mgedmin weeps Aug 06 21:09:31 time for coffee break? :P Aug 06 21:09:37 anyway, time to go home Aug 06 21:09:40 bye Aug 06 21:09:42 cya Aug 06 21:17:40 and no, thats marcell Aug 06 21:17:44 damn Aug 06 21:20:09 * jott pokes in lcuks eye Aug 06 21:20:23 (lucky you wear glasses :) Aug 06 21:20:39 lol Aug 06 21:23:21 re Aug 06 21:23:48 that was a very short pub visit Aug 06 21:23:57 im gonna suspend your license Aug 06 21:24:24 onlt 2 pints Aug 06 21:24:31 as you can tell ;) Aug 06 21:24:48 lol Aug 06 21:26:41 is it possible to re-arrange that cubical main menu at the left? Aug 06 21:27:52 liran_, as in going into settings -> panels, and clicking "organise" ? Aug 06 21:28:09 crashanddie: let me check Aug 06 21:28:37 crashanddie: that's the one, thanks Aug 06 21:28:48 crashanddie: it was in the bottom there, couldn't see it :) Aug 06 21:29:01 * liran_ has the n810 for only 2 days... haven't played with it that much Aug 06 21:29:17 though I have to say, I installed a bunch of apps last night and I think it's running slower than usual Aug 06 21:29:29 usual as in, slower than when it was empty when I got it 2 days ago lol Aug 06 21:33:02 crashanddie: seems that I'm unable to remove the 'Web' and 'Bookmarks' entries in the Internet category Aug 06 21:33:17 you are correct Aug 06 21:33:42 crashanddie: so no way to remove them? Aug 06 21:34:10 never bothered Aug 06 21:34:24 I use them quite extensively, so no point in removing them Aug 06 21:35:07 liran_, i believe there is a way to remove them (or reassign them) but its a bit more convoluted than an option Aug 06 21:35:17 crashanddie: well I see no point in having those 2 in the Internet category when they are both available in the top-left upper category too (the globe one) Aug 06 21:35:19 just leave em for now Aug 06 21:35:30 yep, I'll just leave it for now Aug 06 21:36:06 liran_, I didn't remove them, just put them in a "garbage" folder, where I've put skype and everything Aug 06 21:36:14 skype, gizmo, stuff like that Aug 06 21:36:23 heh, garbage folder :) Aug 06 21:36:53 ive got extrabits wayyyyyyyy down at the bottom out of sight Aug 06 21:40:47 just wondering, does this seems like a normal load? http://pastebin.ca/1094182 Aug 06 22:00:31 quick question is there any hildon input plugin for an sms style keypad? Aug 06 22:01:52 X-Fade: ping Aug 06 22:06:38 liran_: fwiw that top sucks, you get no good names for maemo-launched things Aug 06 22:06:51 htop from the tools repo is nicer wrt that Aug 06 22:09:26 X-Fade: bzip2 in diablo/free is broken it's missing depends for shared-mime-info :( Aug 06 22:09:55 sp3000: I'll get htop then and let's check again Aug 06 22:10:03 sp3000: cause that top output worries me some what... Aug 06 22:10:08 why? Aug 06 22:10:17 sp3000: doesn't it look like too much of a load? Aug 06 22:10:53 yeah, well, the math is a bit funny Aug 06 22:11:55 but hey, you have at least 397% of memory, that can't be bad Aug 06 22:12:07 heh Aug 06 22:12:09 unless it's coming from a pagefile but it doesn't look like it ;) Aug 06 22:12:18 uhmm, I can't find htop Aug 06 22:12:23 does it have another name? Aug 06 22:13:02 see http://maemo.org/development/tools/ Aug 06 22:14:12 can I do useful stuff like call 1-800 free with gizmo? :) Aug 06 22:14:16 * sp3000 can't quite tell Aug 06 22:15:38 hm it actually looks like extra-devel :/ Aug 06 22:15:45 zap: is that your package? :P **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 06 22:57:16 2008 Aug 06 23:16:56 has anyone come accross 16GB mini/micro sd cards? Aug 06 23:17:08 <[yzf600]> is there a way to tell what OS is installed on a nokia 770? Aug 06 23:17:57 summatusmentis: nope Aug 06 23:18:03 the rumors were just that, rumors, I guess Aug 06 23:20:08 <[yzf600]> anyone know why my nokia won't accept connections to TCP port 1234 ? Aug 06 23:20:24 <[yzf600]> I wrote this server/client app in python and tested it out on my desktop Aug 06 23:20:26 Toba: bummer :( Looking to replace my iPod Aug 06 23:20:56 <[yzf600]> I ported it over to maemo (it was a pygtk app) and it stopped accepting connections Aug 06 23:21:01 <[yzf600]> socket.error: (111, 'Connection refused') Aug 06 23:22:32 [yzf600]: netstat shows the listening port though? Aug 06 23:23:53 [yzf600]: you could use the TCP/IP swiss army knife (nc) to test if connections work in general. Aug 06 23:28:24 <[yzf600]> jott: I don;'t think there is a nc ported to my OS Aug 06 23:28:54 <[yzf600]> I checked out the stuff at gronmayer.com and it could only find netcat for Chinook Aug 06 23:29:05 <[yzf600]> I don't think I run Chinook Aug 06 23:29:09 is there a repository of microb extensions somewhere? Aug 06 23:29:56 [yzf600]: hmm it could work anyway. it's just a console app. just an idea anyway for rapid testing :) Aug 06 23:30:06 <[yzf600]> yea Aug 06 23:30:44 <[yzf600]> strange - netstat doesn't show my app as listening, but it does show an entry for ssh Aug 06 23:31:26 wtf, sdk has incompatible (to lenny) cp Aug 06 23:31:27 So.. Aug 06 23:31:37 [yzf600]: Fix your app Aug 06 23:32:14 summatusmentis: yeah, I think i'm gonna wait too Aug 06 23:32:15 you run your listening app as root? Aug 06 23:32:21 i have maybe 1.5 GB of music on my n810 now Aug 06 23:32:30 but buying an 8gb now seems stupid Aug 06 23:32:49 Port 1234 should work with any privileges. Aug 06 23:33:04 yeah, I've got way more than 8GB of music anyway... I'd like to be able to get rid of the iPod, and just carry two devices Aug 06 23:33:54 summatusmentis: How much music do you want to carry? Aug 06 23:34:21 me, i dont really bring a portable device thinking "OH MAN GOTTA HAVE EVERY TUNE I EVER LIKED" Aug 06 23:34:39 I thought about buying an ipod shuffle. Aug 06 23:34:41 Mercury: slightly over 14GB Aug 06 23:34:52 summatusmentis: is that all you have? Aug 06 23:34:53 Toba: good music library has stuff one doesn't like that much too, for humorous occasions or just because Aug 06 23:34:57 Toba: I never know what I want to listen to, so I like having everything Aug 06 23:35:02 glass: true Aug 06 23:35:03 and yes, that's all I've got Aug 06 23:35:43 <[yzf600]> chinook netcat package can't install on my nokia due to wrong libc6. Aug 06 23:35:55 summatusmentis: So wait a bit and get a 16GB card when they are available. Or wait a bit longer and get them when they are not obscenely expensive. Aug 06 23:36:23 <[yzf600]> blafasel: yea - maybe something is wrong with my app Aug 06 23:36:27 Mercury: yeah, I think that's probably what I'll do. I haven't seen anything over 8GB for micro SD though Aug 06 23:36:36 <[yzf600]> blafasel: strange how it works just fine on my desktop Aug 06 23:36:40 so I'm not quite sure what 'a bit' is Aug 06 23:37:27 summatusmentis: This summer supposedly. Aug 06 23:37:46 almost over :) Aug 06 23:38:08 <[yzf600]> time to write a non pygtk python server I guess Aug 06 23:38:42 Toba: you're a senior this year? Aug 06 23:39:32 yes Aug 06 23:39:59 cool, any idea what you're doing afterwards? Aug 06 23:40:41 * Mercury digs about. Aug 06 23:40:48 summatusmentis: Maybe december. *grumbles* Aug 06 23:41:07 Mercury: I don't realy wanna wait until December :-P Aug 06 23:41:23 make ti come faster Aug 06 23:46:28 <[yzf600]> well, apparently pygtk on maemo does not like this statement: gobject.io_add_watch(sock, gobject.IO_IN, self.rx_data) Aug 06 23:46:59 summatusmentis: I can't. :( Aug 06 23:55:32 anyone know of a good greasemonkey script that simulates the iphone flick scrolling? Aug 07 01:04:14 Hey guys, quick Q? Where in the filesystem are menu items defined and kept? Aug 07 01:10:28 /usr/share/appÃlications/hildon Aug 07 01:10:29 yllus: /usr/share/applications? Aug 07 01:10:42 Oh yeah. Aug 07 01:10:49 I figured it out, hehe - thanks guys Aug 07 01:11:12 Though I am still wondering how I can play video files on /media/mmc2 - I can't navigate there using the Video Player browser Aug 07 01:11:33 Hmm, making a symbolic link doesn't work either. Aug 07 01:14:52 oh, there it goes. Aug 07 01:15:03 media player should automatically list all music and video Aug 07 01:15:38 I have a 770 formatted with another partition - I created a symlink in /home/user/MyDocs/.videos/ Aug 07 01:16:22 Bad plan. Aug 07 01:22:36 <[yzf600]> could someone run this command on their n800 or n810: dpkg --list | grep gobject Aug 07 01:22:50 <[yzf600]> I'm wondering what package version is included on an n800 Aug 07 01:24:31 err Aug 07 01:24:44 i dont know if its what you're looking for exactly... Aug 07 01:25:00 ii python2.5-gobject 2.14.1-1osso1 Aug 07 01:25:08 <[yzf600]> interesting Aug 07 01:25:25 also Aug 07 01:25:31 ii libsofia-sip-ua-glib3 1.12.8-0osso5 Aug 07 01:25:36 but doesnt really seem relevent Aug 07 01:25:43 <[yzf600]> nokia 770 has 2.12.2-1osso4 Aug 07 01:25:43 *relevant Aug 07 01:25:53 <[yzf600]> I wonder if that is causing my application to not work Aug 07 01:27:19 <[yzf600]> rm_you: could you do me a big favor? Aug 07 01:27:23 ? Aug 07 01:27:38 <[yzf600]> if I send you a couple of python scripts, could you test it out for me? Aug 07 01:27:50 probably Aug 07 01:27:59 <[yzf600]> on an n800 or n810 that is Aug 07 01:28:03 N800 here Aug 07 01:28:06 <[yzf600]> ok Aug 07 01:28:24 <[yzf600]> basically, I wrote a python GTK app that talks on TCP port Aug 07 01:28:39 <[yzf600]> the server runs on the nokia, listening for clients to connect Aug 07 01:29:07 <[yzf600]> when a client connects, it sends a message to the server and the server changes what is displayed in the window Aug 07 01:29:36 <[yzf600]> the server on my n770 isn't accepting connections. I'm wondering if running it on an n800 would be any different Aug 07 01:30:27 <[yzf600]> rm_you: can your im accept file transfers? Aug 07 01:30:32 trying Aug 07 01:30:39 <[yzf600]> ok Aug 07 01:33:05 <[yzf600]> we could use a no paste bot in here Aug 07 01:33:28 <[yzf600]> brb Aug 07 01:36:10 <[yzf600]> rm_you: is there another way for me to send you my script(s)? Aug 07 01:36:17 <[yzf600]> rm_you: thanks a ton, btw Aug 07 01:36:18 pastebin Aug 07 01:37:18 <[yzf600]> http://pastebin.com/d22b75df3 Aug 07 01:38:04 <[yzf600]> http://pastebin.com/m7dd2ecb5 Aug 07 01:38:13 <[yzf600]> the 1st post will runn the gui Aug 07 01:39:04 <[yzf600]> run the second script like this: second.py localhost "armed" Aug 07 01:39:11 <[yzf600]> run both on the n800 Aug 07 01:41:35 gobject.GError: Failed to open file 'png/available.png': No such file or directory Aug 07 01:41:43 you have more files? Aug 07 01:41:45 <[yzf600]> oh crap Aug 07 01:41:48 <[yzf600]> forgot about that Aug 07 01:43:13 <[yzf600]> you can just put a "#" character in front of lines 61-71 Aug 07 01:43:28 <[yzf600]> that will remove the GError Aug 07 01:45:42 <[yzf600]> so if it fails, the 2nd script will die with a "Connection refused" error Aug 07 01:45:56 <[yzf600]> if it works, you will see the gui app change tabs Aug 07 01:47:34 any maemo news from linux world expo? Aug 07 01:50:43 <[yzf600]> rm_you: any luck? Aug 07 01:50:54 sorry on phone with power services Aug 07 01:51:08 <[yzf600]> no problem Aug 07 02:11:23 <[yzf600]> rm_you: I gotta leave the computer for a while. If you don't have time to help, I understand. If you do get around to running the scripts, just post here and I'll check back later. Thanks again Aug 07 02:15:01 i'mback Aug 07 02:17:26 [yzf600]: it isnt really doing anything Aug 07 02:17:34 and no output at all from second.py Aug 07 02:17:39 just sitting there Aug 07 02:17:54 oh crap forgot the args Aug 07 02:18:00 lol Aug 07 02:18:32 yeah ok it worked Aug 07 02:18:45 and also, you may want to change your pin :P Aug 07 02:19:43 :D Aug 07 02:21:46 [yzf600]: i think i asked this last night, but... are you running these things as root? I am Aug 07 02:21:56 I dont think you can bind to a port if you aren't root Aug 07 02:22:26 you need to be super user to bind to a port under 1024 Aug 07 02:22:50 ah, i've had the experience with pretty much any port i try <_< Aug 07 02:23:12 but yes, you should be correct Aug 07 02:24:01 also yfz you could do netstat -an | grep LISTEN to make sure that its binding correctly Aug 07 02:25:34 i think he tried that, and it wasn't. Aug 07 02:29:39 lol damn Aug 07 02:29:59 i am thoroughly failing at finding a cheap 16+ port gigabit switch :P Aug 07 02:46:57 surprise, surprise Aug 07 02:52:08 this is tempting... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833129035 Aug 07 02:52:32 this is cheaper, but i'd rather go with a rackmount... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122139 Aug 07 02:52:47 anyone know a better place to buy a gigabit switch? :P **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 07 02:59:57 2008