**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 08 02:59:58 2008
Aug 08 03:01:47 <rm_you> Mace`: well, in os2007 xterm was via maemo-hackers, so it was very nice. the default os2008 xterm is not the same version, but if you install the maemo-hackers xterm in os2008, it has tabs again, as well as improving ctrl-function support (and other bits)
Aug 08 03:03:46 <GAN800> Diablo xterm has tabs.
Aug 08 03:04:19 <GAN800> Actually, the Diablo xterm is pretty much up to the maemo-hackers one as far as thingszgo.
Aug 08 03:04:20 <rm_you> does it? eh
Aug 08 03:04:43 <rm_you> oh, GAN, you seen latest download numbers? O_o
Aug 08 03:04:51 <rm_you> it doubled a couple more times
Aug 08 03:05:04 <GAN800> 20k's?
Aug 08 03:05:27 <rm_you> 24k almost o_O
Aug 08 03:05:46 <GAN800> Yeesj
Aug 08 03:05:53 <GAN800> s/j/h/
Aug 08 03:05:53 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Yeesh
Aug 08 03:05:57 <rm_you> i almost had a heart attack, lol
Aug 08 03:08:35 <GeneralAntilles> #2
Aug 08 03:08:37 <GeneralAntilles> Woo
Aug 08 03:08:40 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 08 03:08:49 <rm_you> if we release an update we would jump to #1 prolly, lol
Aug 08 03:08:58 <rm_you> so, whenever we do the control panel thing
Aug 08 03:09:37 <GeneralAntilles> I'm ready for that.
Aug 08 03:09:49 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 08 03:09:52 <rm_you> we need more mockups
Aug 08 03:10:04 <GeneralAntilles> I get back to my rig end of this month
Aug 08 03:10:06 <rm_you> need to decide what to remove from the default control panels
Aug 08 03:10:09 <GeneralAntilles> I can power some out then.
Aug 08 03:10:13 <rm_you> and what to move/add
Aug 08 03:10:15 <rm_you> k
Aug 08 03:15:09 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, I think my mockup for the schedule is "good enough" if you want to start work on that.
Aug 08 03:15:18 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 08 03:15:24 <GeneralAntilles> Which begins with figuring out alarmd, I suppose.
Aug 08 03:15:29 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 08 03:16:20 <GeneralAntilles> I should probably go to bed
Aug 08 03:16:24 <GeneralAntilles> Been on airplanes all day long
Aug 08 03:37:05 * GeneralAntilles lights the fuse on the next "please search/u guyz r assholes" thread.
Aug 08 04:26:38 * GeneralAntilles facepalms. http://www.tabletscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28
Aug 08 04:26:47 <GeneralAntilles> I'm gonna have to block that site at the firewall before I lose my mind.
Aug 08 04:36:13 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 08 04:36:51 <RST38h> GA: ITT was not enough?
Aug 08 04:37:08 <GeneralAntilles> RST38h, I don't even want to talk about it.
Aug 08 04:37:30 <GeneralAntilles> I'm so bored with that BS.
Aug 08 04:37:51 <GeneralAntilles> krisse can have fun answering all the same questions a hundred million times.
Aug 08 04:37:53 <GeneralAntilles> Fine by me.
Aug 08 05:38:07 <RST38h> Heh, Ohio is dying out
Aug 08 06:13:38 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Aug 08 06:14:12 <qwerty12> Hi Khertan_n810
Aug 08 06:14:51 <Khertan_n810> there is no cron on the tablet ?
Aug 08 06:15:01 <GAN800> qwerty12, tell me reading tabletscene doesn't make you want to kill yourself.
Aug 08 06:15:18 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 08 06:15:22 <GAN800> Khertan, where have you been for the last two years? :P
Aug 08 06:15:34 <GAN800> alarmd
Aug 08 06:15:37 <Khertan_n810> you read tabletscene ?
Aug 08 06:15:44 <GAN800> or grab a cron package from somewhere.
Aug 08 06:15:47 <qwerty12> GAN800, It does. Krisse pisses me off too. Just because he's scared of the command line, shouldn't mean it's a taboo subject.
Aug 08 06:15:55 <GAN800> A little this evening
Aug 08 06:15:59 <Khertan_n810> gan > hum ...
Aug 08 06:16:13 <GAN800> Made me throw up a little in my mouth
Aug 08 06:16:42 <GAN800> Eh, krisse's alright. He's good at what he does and is pleasant to talk to.
Aug 08 06:17:00 <GAN800> But he has some funny ideas about newbie stuff.
Aug 08 06:17:10 <qwerty12> I honestly like him, a good person, just the command line stuff gets to me.
Aug 08 06:17:19 <GAN800> Yeah
Aug 08 06:18:09 <qwerty12> Although that siralien guy is totally deluded. Read his intro...
Aug 08 06:18:23 <Mikho> who's krisse?
Aug 08 06:18:46 <GAN800> qwerty12, I hit the 'MAC' (shudder) topic and about died.
Aug 08 06:18:47 <Khertan_n810> is this the one wich polst on tabletshol ?
Aug 08 06:18:54 <GAN800> Couldn't get any farther.
Aug 08 06:19:02 <GAN800> Yes, Khertan
Aug 08 06:19:05 <qwerty12> Hehe
Aug 08 06:19:21 <qwerty12> To be honest, there's nothing appealing about tabletscene imho
Aug 08 06:19:24 <GAN800> About the best newb-friendly explainer I've ever encountered.
Aug 08 06:19:26 <Khertan_n810> i doesn t accept any comment on tabletschool
Aug 08 06:19:34 <GAN800> He does
Aug 08 06:19:44 <GAN800> He just moderates them
Aug 08 06:19:50 <Khertan_n810> hum ...
Aug 08 06:19:54 <GAN800> and has a bit of a backlog
Aug 08 06:20:14 <GAN800> Hit him up with a pm on itT if you need to contect him about an article.
Aug 08 06:20:30 <GAN800> He's really fast and responsive about making ammendments and such
Aug 08 06:20:56 <Khertan_n810> i thinking of making an autosync for mcalendar ... does should i use alarmd or an init script to network ?
Aug 08 06:21:02 <qwerty12> I like tabletschool, I've been on there a few times, you can tell he really puts effort and time into the articles with the youtube video complementing them and such.
Aug 08 06:21:42 <qwerty12> Khertan_n810, I'd say alarmd, but be careful how you approach it. I know fiferboy has had problems with alarmd.
Aug 08 06:22:02 <GAN800> Look at how Modest does it, maybe?
Aug 08 06:22:30 <Khertan_n810> gan > it s a joke ?
Aug 08 06:22:44 <Mace`> wow.. i really hate gentoo now
Aug 08 06:23:47 <qwerty12> Hmm, alarmd isn't in the build depends for modest
Aug 08 06:24:25 <GAN800> Khertan, no, seems like automated email checking is fairly similar
Aug 08 06:25:06 <Khertan_n810> hum maybe should i make a more osso approach
Aug 08 06:25:15 <Khertan_n810> by making a permanent daemon
Aug 08 06:25:24 <qwerty12> hehe
Aug 08 06:25:31 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 06:26:32 <qwerty12> I did a quick grep in modest for alarm: http://pastebin.com/m2d3da15b
Aug 08 06:27:11 <Khertan_n810> i m joking of course
Aug 08 06:27:26 <qwerty12> I know, but if you want to use alarmd...
Aug 08 06:28:12 <moontiger> hey khertan :)
Aug 08 06:29:02 <Khertan_n810> hi moontiger
Aug 08 06:29:12 <moontiger> seems like the python-hildondesktop bindings aren't being written any time soon
Aug 08 06:29:28 <moontiger> so i was thinking about some work arounds for mcalendar
Aug 08 06:29:30 <moontiger> :)
Aug 08 06:30:09 <Khertan_n810> ? hildondesktop ?
Aug 08 06:30:23 <qwerty12> python-hildondesktop bindings are already in diablo extras
Aug 08 06:30:23 <qwerty12> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/p/python-hildondesktop/
Aug 08 06:30:30 <Khertan_n810> what the problem with the binding ?
Aug 08 06:30:38 <moontiger> he reason you can't do settings menu from python desktop applets is the bindings to the underlying c libs arent there yet
Aug 08 06:30:51 <moontiger> hmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 08 06:31:00 <moontiger> i was reading today that they arent usable yet
Aug 08 06:31:21 <qwerty12> Source is also available : http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/p/python-hildondesktop/
Aug 08 06:31:26 <qwerty12> They should be
Aug 08 06:31:37 * moontiger goes off to read more ... brb
Aug 08 06:32:09 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 06:32:59 <moontiger> wow ok ... well that sorts that out then ... thats where the settings menu stuff is to be found i believe
Aug 08 06:33:11 <moontiger> heh so i'll go find that stuff out then :)
Aug 08 06:33:21 <moontiger> but anyways..........
Aug 08 06:34:03 <moontiger> i was thinking that since homecalendar is useless without mcalendar...
Aug 08 06:34:11 <Khertan_n810> yes setting binding seems not here
Aug 08 06:34:20 <moontiger> why not put settings for homecalendar in mcalendar settings stuff?
Aug 08 06:34:39 <Khertan_n810> homecalender work well :)
Aug 08 06:34:58 <moontiger> yes it does ... but it is totally dependent on mcalendar no?
Aug 08 06:34:59 <Khertan_n810> hum yes why not
Aug 08 06:35:19 <Khertan_n810> yes it depends on mcalendar
Aug 08 06:35:24 <moontiger> please forgive me ... i was not saying homecalendar is useless ... i meant it totally depends on mcalendar
Aug 08 06:35:53 <Khertan_n810> i ve understand :)
Aug 08 06:35:56 <moontiger> so putting homecalendar settings in mcalendar would make sense and solve the problem for now at least no?
Aug 08 06:37:12 <Khertan_n810> yes ... but i ll prefer having seperate ui for setting
Aug 08 06:37:27 <moontiger> really? hmmmmm ok
Aug 08 06:37:45 <Khertan_n810> but it s not a problem
Aug 08 06:39:17 <Khertan_n810> alarmd_internal_error ... gurk !
Aug 08 06:39:38 * moontiger is reading...
Aug 08 06:46:30 <Khertan_n810> ouch it could be strike at airfrance in september !
Aug 08 06:47:06 <XTLi> Hmm
Aug 08 06:47:10 <qwerty12> Is SFTP preferred over scp?
Aug 08 06:47:28 <Khertan_n810> why does i ve booking on this stupid french compagny
Aug 08 06:47:32 <Khertan_n810> pffff
Aug 08 06:50:35 <Khertan_n810> qwerty12 > hum ... i personnaly prefer scp :)
Aug 08 06:50:52 <Khertan_n810> depend what you want to do
Aug 08 06:51:44 <XTLi> Unless by sftp you somehow mean ftp with ssl
Aug 08 06:51:44 <qwerty12> Thanks, I'm not bothered about interface and commands, I'm using winscp, it just looks like that scp isn't as good because winscp says allow scp fallback when choosing to connect using sftp :/
Aug 08 06:52:11 <Macer> i never saw superman returns
Aug 08 06:52:15 * Macer hopes it doesn't suck
Aug 08 06:52:36 <Stskeeps> it was .. okay, the ending was a bit weak :P
Aug 08 06:52:38 <XTLi> I thinkn that means it can't keep the connection open with "scp"
Aug 08 06:53:03 <XTLi> I expected SR to be worse
Aug 08 06:53:27 <Macer> heh
Aug 08 06:53:50 <Macer> that damn lex luthor
Aug 08 06:54:13 <XTLi> A real rascal
Aug 08 06:54:14 <Stskeeps> i kinda liked the animation, superman: doomsday, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0934706/
Aug 08 06:54:26 <Stskeeps> it felt better with the magazines i read as a youngin' :P
Aug 08 06:54:38 <Macer> kevin spacey is lex luthor? that's awesome!
Aug 08 06:57:35 <tigert> hrm
Aug 08 06:57:36 <tigert> morning
Aug 08 06:59:34 <Khertan_n810> hi tigert
Aug 08 07:02:00 <trickie|work> morning
Aug 08 07:04:17 <aquatix> morning all
Aug 08 07:04:43 <Khertan_n810> hi trickie and aquatix
Aug 08 07:06:00 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: latest mcalendar works a lot better :)
Aug 08 07:06:08 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 07:06:21 <aquatix> whole-day still has time stamps though
Aug 08 07:06:33 <Khertan_n810> a new version 0.3.3 is in autobuilder queue at this time :)
Aug 08 07:06:41 <aquatix> cool
Aug 08 07:07:06 <aquatix> any interesting changes?
Aug 08 07:07:07 <Khertan_n810> but timestamp not fixed yet
Aug 08 07:07:15 <aquatix> ok, no hurry :)
Aug 08 07:07:25 <Khertan_n810> sync error ... and more slow sync fix
Aug 08 07:07:46 <Khertan_n810> to avoid 104 error 'reset by peer'
Aug 08 07:07:56 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 07:08:24 <aquatix> sounds good :)
Aug 08 07:09:49 <Khertan_n810> i still get some 400 error
Aug 08 07:09:53 <Khertan_n810> don t know why
Aug 08 07:10:08 <Khertan_n810> sometimes
Aug 08 07:10:13 <Khertan_n810> not everytimes
Aug 08 07:11:57 <Khertan_n810> maybe error due to 3g connection
Aug 08 07:12:02 <Khertan_n810> but not sure
Aug 08 07:13:24 <Macer> haha
Aug 08 07:13:29 <Macer> one of the dogs ate the other one
Aug 08 07:13:32 <Macer> that's rough
Aug 08 07:14:14 <aquatix> ?
Aug 08 07:14:35 <Macer> in superman returns
Aug 08 07:15:43 <Khertan_n810> the film is so interesting that you talk on irc ?
Aug 08 07:15:50 <XTLi> That's the world out there
Aug 08 07:15:55 <Khertan_n810> s/film/movie
Aug 08 07:16:20 <trickie|work> Khertan: film was correct also
Aug 08 07:16:29 <XTLi> There's nothing that can't be improved by including irc
Aug 08 07:17:09 <Khertan_n810> never see it ...
Aug 08 07:39:45 <lbt> g'morning
Aug 08 07:41:51 <hrw> morning
Aug 08 07:42:08 <hrw> time to finally book some hotel for summit
Aug 08 07:44:12 <trickie|work> morning
Aug 08 07:46:04 <Khertan> re
Aug 08 07:46:25 <Khertan> hrw > where do you book ?
Aug 08 07:46:46 <hrw> Khertan: not decided yet
Aug 08 07:46:54 <hrw> I need one night Friday/Saturday only
Aug 08 07:47:58 <Khertan> hrw > there is generator hotel which is 'cheap'
Aug 08 07:48:08 <hrw> hostel?
Aug 08 07:48:35 <Khertan> hostel :)
Aug 08 07:48:45 <Khertan> i always forgot the 's'
Aug 08 07:49:14 <Khertan> http://www.generatorhostels.com/Berlin/
Aug 08 07:49:21 <hrw> I am on that site
Aug 08 07:49:58 <Khertan> http://maps.google.fr/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&q=generator&near=Berlin,+Allemagne&fb=1&cid=0,0,9864521125646164502&sa=X&oi=local_result&resnum=1&ct=image
Aug 08 07:49:59 <Khertan> :)
Aug 08 07:50:51 * Khertan is thinking to make is own maemo theme
Aug 08 07:51:44 <moontiger> hey khertan ... when im testing stuff in the sbox thingy how come i cant get a net connection?
Aug 08 07:51:47 <moontiger> ??
Aug 08 07:51:56 <hrw> 56 eur for single.. quite nice
Aug 08 07:53:17 <Khertan> yep
Aug 08 07:53:33 <trickie|work> moontiger: is it no connection or no dns?
Aug 08 07:53:46 <moontiger> name resolution
Aug 08 07:53:54 <trickie|work> IIRC you need to set a dns server in /etc/resolv.conf
Aug 08 07:54:05 <moontiger> in the sbox env?
Aug 08 07:54:09 <trickie|work> yeah
Aug 08 07:54:14 <moontiger> cool thnx :)
Aug 08 07:54:22 <trickie|work> but its been a while since i used sbox... but try it out
Aug 08 07:54:23 <trickie|work> np
Aug 08 07:54:38 <XTLi> Using a proxy Just Worked for me
Aug 08 07:56:02 <Khertan> moontiger > can you ping a url and can you ping an ip ?
Aug 08 07:56:34 <moontiger> that fixed it ... set up a nameserver and now my lil thingy is talking to google calendar from sbox :)
Aug 08 07:57:00 <XTLi> Ah, that. Neat :)
Aug 08 07:57:02 <moontiger> you dont use sbox either trickie?
Aug 08 07:57:19 <Khertan> Fix the /etc/resolv.conf file inside scratchbox.
Aug 08 07:57:21 <Khertan> :)
Aug 08 07:57:35 <moontiger> thnx khertan ... got it :)
Aug 08 07:57:40 <Khertan> :)
Aug 08 07:58:17 <moontiger> to make a homescreen applet actually show up i have to package it and all that right?
Aug 08 07:58:25 <Khertan> you ll now see how it s funny to get connection reset by peer error in gdata ;)
Aug 08 07:58:59 <Khertan> moontiger > show up ? in application manager ?
Aug 08 07:59:06 <Khertan> or in the list ?
Aug 08 07:59:34 <moontiger> khertan ... on the desktop ... so i guess in the list
Aug 08 07:59:37 <trickie|work> moontiger: nope
Aug 08 07:59:54 <trickie|work> i don't really do much dev for maemo... mainly mamona
Aug 08 08:00:09 <trickie|work> using OE
Aug 08 08:00:22 <moontiger> ahhhh ive seen about mamona ... thats an alternate os for the n8x0 yes?
Aug 08 08:00:34 <trickie|work> yeah
Aug 08 08:00:54 <trickie|work> version 0.2 is beta now...
Aug 08 08:01:04 <moontiger> looks way cool ... will it produce something usable at some point?
Aug 08 08:01:17 <trickie|work> yes, i use it on my n800 now
Aug 08 08:01:24 <moontiger> really? wow cool
Aug 08 08:01:41 <Khertan> moontiger > you need to add a .desktop in /usr/share/hildon-home/
Aug 08 08:01:53 <trickie|work> 0.2 should have - virtual keyboard, midori and firefox and network manager, full emulation with qemu for the sdk
Aug 08 08:02:02 <Khertan> take a look at one i ve made for my home applet
Aug 08 08:02:03 <trickie|work> and a few other bits and pieces
Aug 08 08:02:26 <moontiger> will do thnx :)
Aug 08 08:02:32 <trickie|work> moontiger: http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/ if you are interested, or #mamona
Aug 08 08:02:44 <moontiger> trickie ... how does one install it?
Aug 08 08:02:47 <moontiger> ok
Aug 08 08:03:13 <trickie|work> well once the beta images are ready you can flash a rootfs, or they are even going to create FIASCO images
Aug 08 08:03:14 <Khertan> trickie > what is the differences between mamona and maemo ?
Aug 08 08:03:26 <trickie|work> i just install to sdcard and dual boot with maemo
Aug 08 08:03:58 <trickie|work> Khertan: well mamona uses OE as a build system, and the desktop env is based on enlightenment/efl
Aug 08 08:04:12 <trickie|work> a way more up to date toolchain
Aug 08 08:04:32 <trickie|work> and hopefully, bit by bit a replacement for some of the non-free bits of maemo
Aug 08 08:04:46 <Khertan> hehe
Aug 08 08:04:53 <moontiger> yah that would be nice
Aug 08 08:05:13 <qwerty12> trickie|work, nice, hit them where it hurts, in their non-free stuff!
Aug 08 08:05:24 <qwerty12> :P
Aug 08 08:05:27 <trickie|work> he he
Aug 08 08:05:29 <moontiger> i bookmarked it thnx ... im cramming a bunch of new dev stuff into my head so i need a little while before i get more to digest
Aug 08 08:05:46 <trickie|work> moontiger: for sure...
Aug 08 08:05:51 <trickie|work> i know how that feels :)
Aug 08 08:05:57 <moontiger> sheesh!
Aug 08 08:06:03 <Khertan> hum ... i ll take a look ...
Aug 08 08:06:19 <moontiger> ive been doing a lot of ph web stuff lately and before that c/c++ on 'doze
Aug 08 08:06:32 <moontiger> need to realign to gtk / python
Aug 08 08:06:41 <trickie|work> or elf/python :)
Aug 08 08:06:47 <trickie|work> efl/python sorry
Aug 08 08:07:10 <moontiger> hmmmmmm efl is the enlightenment thingy right?
Aug 08 08:07:25 <trickie|work> yep, core libs that e is built with
Aug 08 08:07:32 <moontiger> right
Aug 08 08:07:33 <trickie|work> quite a bit of stuff actually
Aug 08 08:07:44 <trickie|work> but there are python bindings for some of them also
Aug 08 08:07:51 <trickie|work> quyite easy to play with
Aug 08 08:07:56 <moontiger> going back to straight C for maemo work is a bit of a culture shock i must say
Aug 08 08:08:03 <trickie|work> s/quyite/quite
Aug 08 08:08:04 <moontiger> im liking python a lot
Aug 08 08:09:59 <Khertan> quyite ?
Aug 08 08:10:25 <hrw> argh..
Aug 08 08:10:33 <Khertan> ah ...
Aug 08 08:10:35 <hrw> someone should kick asses of google maps webteam
Aug 08 08:10:42 <Khertan> i think it was a name of a lib
Aug 08 08:10:58 <Khertan> hrw > lol ...
Aug 08 08:11:23 <Khertan> personnaly i don't like using efl to make ui ... specially edje
Aug 08 08:11:31 <Khertan> it s a real pain to make something
Aug 08 08:11:34 <trickie|work> Khertan: he he, nah im just still waking up :)
Aug 08 08:11:34 <moontiger> khertan ... im wondering if the timeouts are in the client libs or on the actual servers for the gdata stuff?
Aug 08 08:11:46 <Khertan> moontiger > don't know ...
Aug 08 08:12:18 <moontiger> for gdata stuff in C im having to write a lib to do the comms using curl and xml2
Aug 08 08:12:27 <moontiger> so i guess i'll find out
Aug 08 08:12:30 <Khertan> with a max_result = 3 i sometimes get reset by peer error on my 3G connection
Aug 08 08:12:37 <moontiger> really??
Aug 08 08:12:45 <Khertan> yes
Aug 08 08:12:48 <hrw> Khertan: since last update it became very sluggish and they removed some features
Aug 08 08:12:51 <moontiger> thats really quite sad
Aug 08 08:13:11 <Khertan> hrw > on efl or gdata ?
Aug 08 08:13:31 <Khertan> moontiger > but no problem with an adsl connection
Aug 08 08:14:14 <Khertan> hrw > and with edje it s really hard to design a gui, as no real editor exist
Aug 08 08:14:15 <moontiger> hmmmmm might well be the 3g ... were you moving or stationary?
Aug 08 08:14:35 <Khertan> same results when stationary
Aug 08 08:14:40 <moontiger> hmmmmm
Aug 08 08:14:46 <moontiger> what fone do you have?
Aug 08 08:15:24 <Khertan> an 6630
Aug 08 08:15:49 <moontiger> so app -> bluetooth -> 3g -> google
Aug 08 08:16:41 <Khertan> :)
Aug 08 08:16:51 <moontiger> have u tried it using edge instead of 3g?
Aug 08 08:17:33 <Khertan> yep ... same thing
Aug 08 08:17:59 <hrw> Khertan: gmaps
Aug 08 08:18:04 <moontiger> i know that when my n810 could talk via my phone i didnt get many drop-outs at all
Aug 08 08:18:31 <moontiger> which reminds me ... i wish they would HURRY UP and fix the bluetooth PAN thingy
Aug 08 08:18:34 <moontiger> doh!
Aug 08 08:19:42 <wiza> umm, is development of canola and/or carman stopped?
Aug 08 08:19:46 <wiza> nothing new in months...
Aug 08 08:19:51 <qwerty12> Technically, Bluetooth PAN is fine. It's Nokia's fault icd2 isn't.
Aug 08 08:19:59 <Khertan> hrw > i always laught when i see that on the map of my town there isn't the house of my neightboor ... 7 year's old
Aug 08 08:20:11 <moontiger> yah the icd2 thingy
Aug 08 08:20:17 <moontiger> *really* annoying
Aug 08 08:20:25 <Khertan> hum ... with a max_result=2 this work
Aug 08 08:21:02 <trickie|work> wiza: i don't think it has stopped... maybe ask in #canola
Aug 08 08:21:06 <moontiger> hmmm... when i get icd2 updated i must try my (cr)app and see what happens
Aug 08 08:22:06 <wiza> trickie|work: no hurry yet, when I finally get new stereo and amps etc to my car I'm planning to use canola as my media player
Aug 08 08:22:28 <trickie|work> wiza: cool
Aug 08 08:22:38 <wiza> good thing being that I can hear GPS over the music
Aug 08 08:22:44 * aquatix uses the default mediaplayer in his car :)
Aug 08 08:22:55 <aquatix> default maemo one
Aug 08 08:23:14 <aquatix> wiza: you have wayfinder?
Aug 08 08:23:24 <moontiger> i have wayfinder
Aug 08 08:23:25 <wiza> I'd hate to miss speed camera because I'm listening to music too loud
Aug 08 08:23:31 <aquatix> :D
Aug 08 08:23:32 <wiza> aquatix: yep
Aug 08 08:24:09 <wiza> motorcycle does not have plate in front so I really have trouble remembering to slow down in the fall
Aug 08 08:24:26 <Khertan> lol
Aug 08 08:24:28 <aquatix> *g*
Aug 08 08:24:41 <aquatix> here in the netherlands most speed cams take the picture from behind
Aug 08 08:24:42 <Khertan> and you place your feet on the back plate ?
Aug 08 08:24:48 <wiza> someone has suggested that following speed limits would be a solution too
Aug 08 08:24:56 <aquatix> wiza: nah, that's no fun ;)
Aug 08 08:25:01 <wiza> no picture from behind in finland
Aug 08 08:25:10 <aquatix> ah, good to know :)
Aug 08 08:25:29 <wiza> and most of the cameras don't even notice motorcycle, not 'nuff metal
Aug 08 08:25:59 * aquatix is thinking about getting his motorcycle license
Aug 08 08:26:01 <Khertan> hum ... interesting ... so audi r8 can t be caught too
Aug 08 08:26:04 <wiza> but since I'm usually going from 20 to 30 over limit in highways, not noticing cameras would be very expensive
Aug 08 08:26:07 <aquatix> Khertan: lol
Aug 08 08:26:12 <Khertan> carbon ... :)
Aug 08 08:26:14 <wiza> and I would loose my license too, which would suck
Aug 08 08:26:34 <wiza> Khertan: well there is the engine...
Aug 08 08:26:48 <Khertan> yes but under the carbon ...
Aug 08 08:26:57 <wiza> Khertan: bike is only 200 kg so
Aug 08 08:27:07 <wiza> Khertan: and magnets care about the carbon? :D
Aug 08 08:28:16 <Mace`> wow.. gentoo has 133 pkgs to rebuild because i updated python
Aug 08 08:28:31 <Khertan> hum 1500 kg for the r8 :)
Aug 08 08:29:06 <aquatix> Khertan: that's 600 kg more than my surely photographable opel astra ;)
Aug 08 08:29:29 <Khertan> yes and 600 more that my peogeot 306
Aug 08 08:29:37 <aquatix> yeah, same class of car
Aug 08 08:29:39 <Khertan> hum no 500
Aug 08 08:29:43 <hrw> someone has a problem with GarnetVM? I cant install/run anything from it
Aug 08 08:29:57 <Khertan> aquatix > i don't think ... mine is special series :)
Aug 08 08:30:26 <aquatix> well, was talking about the size :)
Aug 08 08:30:37 <aquatix> Khertan: special edition or something?
Aug 08 08:31:17 <Khertan> ah yes size is the same ...
Aug 08 08:31:47 <aquatix> 306 is newer than my almost 11 year old astra though ;)
Aug 08 08:32:35 <Khertan> the old astra was really robust cars ... my brother use it up to 250 000km before he burn all the electronic
Aug 08 08:32:53 <aquatix> yeah, i'm happy with it
Aug 08 08:32:55 <Khertan> using it always in red zone ...
Aug 08 08:33:03 <aquatix> heheh
Aug 08 08:33:07 <Khertan> specially when engine is cold
Aug 08 08:33:25 * aquatix has 90k km to go then ;)
Aug 08 08:34:00 * qwerty12 has no idea why Opel cars are marketed as Vauxhall cars
Aug 08 08:34:02 <aquatix> it's neat how the thing still does 16km to the liter of gas
Aug 08 08:34:05 <Khertan> my 306 have 167 ch :)
Aug 08 08:34:14 <aquatix> qwerty12: something to do with it being german
Aug 08 08:34:17 <aquatix> or something :)
Aug 08 08:34:25 <Khertan> qwerty12 > Vauxhall ?
Aug 08 08:34:34 <qwerty12> aquatix,  Ah right :)
Aug 08 08:34:38 <aquatix> Khertan: opel cars are sold as Vauxhall in the UK
Aug 08 08:34:40 <qwerty12> Khertan, UK name for Opel
Aug 08 08:34:41 <inz> Khertan, only 250 000 km, that's still brand new
Aug 08 08:34:53 <aquatix> inz: ;)
Aug 08 08:35:33 <Khertan> inz > not really when users is still in 4th at 130km/h
Aug 08 08:36:17 <Khertan> i ve forgotten ... not maintain was made since he have it ... so since 100000km
Aug 08 08:36:33 <aquatix> ouch
Aug 08 08:36:42 <moontiger> khertan ... got the applet showing up thnx ... i presume the .deb installs the files in the right place when its released
Aug 08 08:36:46 <Khertan> with the same oil for 100 000km kill an engine
Aug 08 08:36:53 <Khertan> moontiger > yep
Aug 08 08:37:03 <moontiger> ok thnx ... you rock :)
Aug 08 08:37:20 <aquatix> Khertan: your brother didn't want to spend money on it? ;)
Aug 08 08:37:21 <moontiger> must get some sleep now its really late ... bbl
Aug 08 08:37:29 <aquatix> moontiger: nn
Aug 08 08:37:51 <moontiger> :)
Aug 08 08:39:24 <Khertan> ouch there is so many things to change in a theme ...
Aug 08 08:43:49 <hrw> qwerty12: in Australia they are named Holden
Aug 08 08:45:06 <Mace`> ugh.. damn govt.. they didn't file my travel claim because the paperwork wound up in govt limbo
Aug 08 08:45:24 <qwerty12> hrw, heh, sounds even worse imo :P
Aug 08 08:45:24 <Mace`> so now i'm probably going to have to wait another 3 weeks for my $3K
Aug 08 08:45:43 <hrw> qwerty12: which opel you use?
Aug 08 08:47:46 <qwerty12> hrw, it's called Vauxhall here in the UK
Aug 08 08:48:12 <hrw> qwerty12: I know
Aug 08 08:48:27 <qwerty12> Oh, which one do I have, I don't have a car :P :)
Aug 08 08:48:31 * hrw wants Metro application for maemo
Aug 08 08:48:47 <hrw> qwerty12: how many years until you can make driver license?
Aug 08 08:49:57 <hrw> each time when I go to Berlin I need: Maemo mapper (to not get lost), GPE calendar (to keep event schedule), Garnet VM (to run Metro)
Aug 08 08:50:04 <qwerty12> hrw, You have to be 16 to apply for a provisional drivers license so you can take driving lessons. After you pass, you can apply for the full thing.
Aug 08 08:50:33 <qwerty12> Yeah, Metro is great. Never had any use for it but it ran well on PPC :)
Aug 08 08:52:39 <Khertan> i know one of metro dev
Aug 08 08:52:44 <hrw> qwerty12: it is useful when you go to other city and do not want to get lost there
Aug 08 08:52:51 <Khertan> they don't give me the right to use their db
Aug 08 08:52:53 <hrw> Khertan: ask him for gtk2 version?
Aug 08 08:53:07 <Khertan> he don't want to make a gtk2 version at this time
Aug 08 08:53:13 <qwerty12> Read http://nanika.net/Metro/MetroO-en.html :(
Aug 08 08:53:21 <liri> is there a considerable difference when adding a swap space on the flash in terms of performance?
Aug 08 08:53:54 <qwerty12> When you say flash, I assume you mean the internal 2gb?
Aug 08 08:54:21 <liri> yeah, same thing isn't it?
Aug 08 08:54:33 <hrw> no
Aug 08 08:54:40 <qwerty12> Well, dunno about most people, I take flash to be the 256MB
Aug 08 08:55:50 <liri> well, if the root partition is moved to the 2gb then the internal 256mb flash can be used as swap or the other way is to use the 2gb partition for both the root partition and the flash.
Aug 08 08:55:53 <liri> is there any difference?
Aug 08 08:55:55 <hrw> liri: internal 2gb is sd card
Aug 08 08:56:19 <hrw> shit.. Metro do not have usable data for London ;(
Aug 08 08:56:19 <lbt> which has the fastest access times?
Aug 08 08:56:32 <hrw> only London nightbus or London tourist ;(
Aug 08 08:56:48 <liri> hrw: right
Aug 08 08:57:15 <aquatix> Khertan: i asked the Metro devvers whether i could help with their uiq3/symbian port, but they wheren't interested
Aug 08 08:57:15 <liri> I join lbt when asking, which has faster access times? I'm assuming the 256mb flash does
Aug 08 08:57:33 <hrw> liri: you can try fastMMC kernel and then sd would be faster I think
Aug 08 08:57:39 <lbt> bleh:   http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Hardware_%26_Peripherals
Aug 08 08:57:58 <qwerty12> liri, not really. the flash uses jffs2 file system. jffs2 is compressed.
Aug 08 08:58:05 <liri> ok so, back to the original question - is adding swap actually improves performance?
Aug 08 08:58:13 <lbt> qwerty12: yes but
Aug 08 08:58:21 <lbt> that's a choice of overlay
Aug 08 08:58:40 <lbt> jffs2 on mmc is slower than ext on mmc
Aug 08 08:58:54 <lbt> (isn't it?)
Aug 08 08:58:57 <qwerty12> jffs2 isn't meant for non-flash devices
Aug 08 08:59:29 <aquatix> mmc is flash i'd say?
Aug 08 08:59:40 <trickie|work> holden rocks
Aug 08 08:59:46 <XTLi> Quite likely
Aug 08 09:00:09 <lbt> oh, right - am I confused because the mmc card controller essentially does what the jffs2 algorithms do?
Aug 08 09:00:19 <lbt> so the internal flash is 'raw'
Aug 08 09:00:23 <qwerty12> trickie|work, you are only saying that because you are from Australia though. Come, we'll have a crash up derby, Vauxhall V Holden :P
Aug 08 09:00:34 <lbt> but the mmc flash is accessed via an mmc controller chip?
Aug 08 09:01:12 <trickie|work> qwerty12: well in australia there are two main car manufactures (there are more but for this story lets sya two) holden and ford
Aug 08 09:01:13 * lbt can't think of 2 better makes of car to demolish
Aug 08 09:01:22 <trickie|work> qwerty12: and they say you are either a holden man or a ford man
Aug 08 09:01:28 <trickie|work> qwerty12: and i go for holden
Aug 08 09:01:41 <qwerty12> Hehe, I prefer ford but that's just me :D
Aug 08 09:01:48 <lbt> I used to be a ford man
Aug 08 09:01:53 <aquatix> bleh, australian cars...
Aug 08 09:01:55 * aquatix runs
Aug 08 09:01:59 <lbt> but then Tata bought Jaguar :D
Aug 08 09:02:09 <aquatix> they did?
Aug 08 09:02:11 <aquatix> meh
Aug 08 09:02:13 <qwerty12> yeah :(
Aug 08 09:02:16 <aquatix> tata is taking over the world
Aug 08 09:02:24 <lbt> I have a genuine Ford Jaguar!
Aug 08 09:02:34 <aquatix> bought the steel company corus too
Aug 08 09:02:42 * qwerty12 is more of a German car person
Aug 08 09:02:50 <trickie|work> aquatix: you ever seen the australian v8 series stuff? cool stuff
Aug 08 09:02:51 <lbt> too clinical
Aug 08 09:02:57 <trickie|work> aquatix: deadly though
Aug 08 09:02:58 <aquatix> [biggest industry in this part of my country]
Aug 08 09:03:10 <aquatix> trickie|work: hm, i guess not
Aug 08 09:03:16 <aquatix> trickie|work: that's racing?
Aug 08 09:03:33 <trickie|work> aquatix: yep, kind of nascar for australians, but way for cool :)
Aug 08 09:03:34 <aquatix> or the engine class? :)
Aug 08 09:03:37 <aquatix> ah
Aug 08 09:03:51 <aquatix> sounds interesting :)
Aug 08 09:03:54 <XTLi> Monoculture races suck. It's only people woorship
Aug 08 09:04:26 * aquatix prefers the highway
Aug 08 09:04:45 <XTLi> Machines are more interesting
Aug 08 09:05:08 <qwerty12> aquatix, yeah, although we call them motorway :D
Aug 08 09:05:20 <lardman|gone> ~lart Windows because everything is shareware
Aug 08 09:05:20 * infobot whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Windows because everything is shareware is stuck to the floor
Aug 08 09:05:31 <aquatix> qwerty12: we call them snelweg ;)
Aug 08 09:05:55 <aquatix> i guess that directly translates to `fast way'
Aug 08 09:06:15 <qwerty12> hehe
Aug 08 09:06:39 <qwerty12> wtf is a "hot clue gun"
Aug 08 09:06:45 <aquatix> lol
Aug 08 09:06:54 <aquatix> family of the cluebat
Aug 08 09:06:55 <lardman> qwerty12: a painful way for users to get a clue
Aug 08 09:07:10 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 08 09:07:13 <lardman> qwerty12: s/clue/glue
Aug 08 09:07:24 <qwerty12> yep, realised that one :)
Aug 08 09:07:38 <XTLi> I could use one
Aug 08 09:07:45 <lardman> well, the youth of today, all playstations, never have to use tools and all that ;)
Aug 08 09:08:03 <aquatix> feh, playstations...
Aug 08 09:08:33 <XTLi> They run GT and GTA
Aug 08 09:08:54 <qwerty12> Well, I don't have a playstation. :P. I only have a softmodded xbox :/
Aug 08 09:09:04 * aquatix has a non-modded Wii
Aug 08 09:09:12 * lardman has a PC
Aug 08 09:09:12 <aquatix> of course with mario kart ;)
Aug 08 09:09:23 <aquatix> lardman: i can tell you, the Wii is quite fun
Aug 08 09:09:24 <XTLi> Ah, one of those things that show error messages in supermarkets?
Aug 08 09:09:30 <aquatix> my first own console
Aug 08 09:09:39 <aquatix> XTLi: no, those are windows terminals
Aug 08 09:09:56 <qwerty12> When softmodding the XBOX, I'm pretty sure my life expectancy went down after breathing in a lot of dust from my old computer.
Aug 08 09:09:58 <lardman> aquatix: yep, I've played on one, but.... I think I should go outside and play tennis/fight with swords, etc. ;)
Aug 08 09:10:16 <aquatix> lardman: fair enough :)
Aug 08 09:10:28 <XTLi> Mmm.. Swords
Aug 08 09:10:28 <lardman> I am being pestered to get one though
Aug 08 09:10:41 <qwerty12> Give in to the force
Aug 08 09:10:49 <aquatix> things like mario kart, super mario galaxy [adventure], zelda and collective games like mario party are quite fun
Aug 08 09:11:02 <aquatix> hell, we even have wii fit with that balance board
Aug 08 09:11:07 <aquatix> yoga at home :)
Aug 08 09:11:15 <lardman> qwerty12: I might have to when TFU comes out in Sept
Aug 08 09:12:12 <qwerty12> Nice :) . Just don't go abandoning us for the wii modding community :P
Aug 08 09:12:55 <lardman> right, time to uninstall Xchat, it's rubbish, doesn't like copy&paste
Aug 08 09:13:18 <qwerty12> You have to highlight text to copy :(
Aug 08 09:13:32 <qwerty12> I don't like that but I much prefer X-Chat to Mirc
Aug 08 09:13:36 <lardman> qwerty12: Windows version
Aug 08 09:13:39 * aquatix prefers irssi
Aug 08 09:14:07 <aquatix> hydraIRC seems to be decent too
Aug 08 09:14:08 <qwerty12> lardman, yeah, same, I'm chatting on the windows version right now :)
Aug 08 09:14:19 <lardman> It just won't work any more, even if I right click on highlighted text and select copy, it will only do it within the program
Aug 08 09:14:29 <lardman> ah ok, back to virc for me
Aug 08 09:15:26 <aquatix> lardman: hydrairc might be interesting to look at when you use windows
Aug 08 09:15:33 <aquatix> but virc looks nice too
Aug 08 09:16:04 * timely used to use virc
Aug 08 09:16:13 <lardman> just needs to do the job and I've used virc before, but thanks for the suggestions
Aug 08 09:16:20 <timely> (now i just use ssh+screen+epic)
Aug 08 09:17:39 <XTLi> Mm.. Epic. Spent time with those in mid 90's
Aug 08 09:34:39 <timeless> hey, i'm looking for suggestions about common ways to break microb
Aug 08 09:34:43 <aquatix> Khertan: i made an appointment with weekly repeats on my n810
Aug 08 09:34:51 <aquatix> and now it gives an error on sync:
Aug 08 09:34:57 <timeless> anyone have suggestions?
Aug 08 09:35:10 <aquatix> local var `reccurence_data' referenced before assignment
Aug 08 09:35:24 <timeless> the obvious ones are disabling flash, javascript, enabling fit width to view, and changing your bookmarks owner to root
Aug 08 09:37:36 <lardman> anyone know of a decent explanation of how to use DMA?
Aug 08 09:38:01 <qwerty12> timeless,  Using the maemo integration's team services applet to reenable browserd after accidently disabling it
Aug 08 09:55:43 <trickie|work> lardman: http://lwn.net/images/pdf/LDD3/ch15.pdf ?
Aug 08 09:55:50 <RST38h> qwerrrty
Aug 08 09:55:54 <RST38h> larrrdman
Aug 08 09:56:01 <qwerty12> RST38hhhhh!
Aug 08 09:56:12 <RST38h> timeless: breaking microb is easy
Aug 08 09:56:21 <RST38h> timeless: pretty much any livejournal page
Aug 08 10:10:13 <LuCk1> hi all
Aug 08 10:10:41 <LuCk1> did any one port the revelation password manager to maemo?
Aug 08 10:20:16 <Khertan> aquatix > ?
Aug 08 10:20:21 <Khertan> still here ?
Aug 08 10:20:27 <aquatix> yeah
Aug 08 10:20:49 <Khertan> so you have made a reccuring and it make now an error in sync ?
Aug 08 10:20:57 <aquatix> yeah
Aug 08 10:21:00 <Khertan> which version ?
Aug 08 10:21:05 <aquatix> i closed and reopened mcal
Aug 08 10:21:06 <Khertan> what is the error ?
Aug 08 10:21:12 <aquatix> latest, 0.3.4 iirc
Aug 08 10:21:17 <aquatix> what i said
Aug 08 10:21:28 <aquatix> after restarting the app, i get a http 400 error
Aug 08 10:21:41 <Khertan> hum ....
Aug 08 10:22:11 <Khertan> this is the error i'm tracking ... i can't reproduce it each time
Aug 08 10:22:27 <lardman> trickie|work: Thanks I'll have a look
Aug 08 10:22:29 <Khertan> and if you sync it now ?
Aug 08 10:22:52 <Khertan> never believe that doc is true ...
Aug 08 10:23:21 <aquatix> now i get the message "local variable 'reccurrence_data' referenced before assignment" again
Aug 08 10:23:33 <aquatix> with one r btw
Aug 08 10:23:37 <aquatix> reccurence_data
Aug 08 10:23:47 <aquatix> maybe a typo?
Aug 08 10:26:11 <Khertan> lol ...
Aug 08 10:28:23 <Khertan> hum ... could find it ...
Aug 08 10:28:30 <Khertan> could you launch it from xterm ?
Aug 08 10:28:37 <Khertan> so i could see the line error
Aug 08 10:28:43 <aquatix> ok, sec...
Aug 08 10:29:00 <Khertan> hop ... i ve found
Aug 08 10:29:20 <Khertan>  a 'c' in reccurence is lacking in the assignement some line before ...
Aug 08 10:29:43 <aquatix> now i get a 400 error
Aug 08 10:29:55 <aquatix> invalid request uri, bad request
Aug 08 10:30:50 <aquatix> on line 380, in UpdateEvent
Aug 08 10:30:56 <aquatix> in service.py
Aug 08 10:32:12 <Khertan> yep ... i don't understand this error ...
Aug 08 10:32:20 <Khertan> sometime it work ... sometime not
Aug 08 10:33:07 <aquatix> maybe there's a restriction on how many posts you can do per second or something/
Aug 08 10:33:09 <aquatix> ?
Aug 08 10:34:09 <Khertan> no ... don't think
Aug 08 10:34:27 <Khertan> but i m not the only one which have this problem
Aug 08 10:35:43 <Khertan> a new version is in the autobuilder queue :)
Aug 08 10:36:27 <Khertan> for 'reccurence_data' 'recurrence_data' :)
Aug 08 10:39:29 <aquatix> ;)
Aug 08 10:39:36 <samppa> does maemo extras-devel repository allow to upload new version of package with the same version number as the existing version in repo ?
Aug 08 10:39:38 * aquatix is glad to be of help
Aug 08 10:39:51 <aquatix> samppa: seems so
Aug 08 10:39:57 <samppa> for example if there is only change in the dependencies
Aug 08 10:40:05 <samppa> aquatix: ok, thanx
Aug 08 10:40:30 <aquatix> but that's based on my experience with packages with same version showing up after adding that repository :)
Aug 08 10:40:49 <aquatix> but why not add up the number behind the - ?
Aug 08 10:41:03 <samppa> yeah that will do it
Aug 08 10:41:04 <aquatix> so 1.2.3-2
Aug 08 10:41:07 <qwerty12> 6
Aug 08 10:41:09 <qwerty12> *^
Aug 08 10:41:12 <samppa> :)
Aug 08 10:41:32 <qwerty12> Adding +1 to the version numbers means users of the existing package will recieve the update :)
Aug 08 10:41:43 <aquatix> yeah
Aug 08 10:41:57 <samppa> i dont care about extras-devel users :)
Aug 08 10:42:01 <aquatix> is that not what you want?
Aug 08 10:42:59 <samppa> hmm yes, im just testing
Aug 08 10:45:58 <Khertan_n810> aquatix > what do u think of the change on the ui ?
Aug 08 10:47:11 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: with 0.3.4?
Aug 08 10:47:40 <Khertan_n810> yes
Aug 08 10:47:46 <Khertan_n810> some minor changes
Aug 08 10:47:54 <Khertan_n810> i know
Aug 08 10:48:20 <aquatix> in the appointment detail form?
Aug 08 10:48:32 <hrw> samppa: it should be bumped if deps changed
Aug 08 10:48:34 <Khertan_n810> yep
Aug 08 10:48:47 <hrw> if *anything* in package change then version *needs* to be bumped
Aug 08 10:48:49 <hrw> ALWAYS
Aug 08 10:49:12 <Khertan_n810> hrw > yep
Aug 08 10:49:16 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: it's good
Aug 08 10:49:32 <aquatix> looks intuitive enough for me :)
Aug 08 10:49:37 <Khertan_n810> great
Aug 08 10:49:38 <hrw> otherwise maintainer needs to be kicked
Aug 08 10:49:58 <aquatix> hrw: :)
Aug 08 10:50:41 <Khertan_n810> in a next version click on date on main view should display calendar
Aug 08 10:51:25 <chelli> hrw: i strongly agree! ;-)
Aug 08 10:51:58 <mikkov_> is bzip2 still borked?
Aug 08 10:51:59 <hrw> ok, time to get info how to run Metro directly...
Aug 08 10:52:11 <aquatix> mikkov_: seems so
Aug 08 10:52:25 <aquatix> hrw: they have a site too
Aug 08 10:52:27 <Khertan_n810> 0.3.5 available in extras devel
Aug 08 10:52:32 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: cool
Aug 08 10:52:43 <hrw> aquatix: ?
Aug 08 10:52:56 <aquatix> hrw: Metro has a web frontend too
Aug 08 10:53:31 <hrw> aquatix: I do not use online services with n810
Aug 08 10:53:34 <aquatix> http://nanika.net/Metro/iMetro-en.html
Aug 08 10:53:36 <Khertan_n810> i ll see if patrice is interestted if i made a gtk2 version of metro
Aug 08 10:53:38 <aquatix> ah, ok
Aug 08 10:54:06 <aquatix> Khertan_n810: any idea what kind of problems they have with uiq3?
Aug 08 10:54:27 <Khertan_n810> no sorry aquatix
Aug 08 10:54:40 <aquatix> np
Aug 08 10:54:51 <aquatix> i have gprs on my phone anyway
Aug 08 10:55:09 <aquatix> not that that helps me in other countries
Aug 08 10:55:30 <Khertan_n810> hehe
Aug 08 10:58:54 <crashanddie> hrw, you don't go online with your n810 ?
Aug 08 10:59:10 <hrw> crashanddie: only on wifi
Aug 08 10:59:18 <crashanddie> ah, ok, you scared me for a second
Aug 08 10:59:22 <aquatix> :)
Aug 08 10:59:44 * aquatix demands free wifi in public transports
Aug 08 10:59:58 <crashanddie> aquatix, it would be nice, but quite complicated actually
Aug 08 11:00:05 <AStorm> yup
Aug 08 11:00:15 <AStorm> go HSDPA
Aug 08 11:00:36 * aquatix has gprs/throttled umts
Aug 08 11:00:37 <crashanddie> aquatix, you're better off asking for free wimax in big cities :P
Aug 08 11:00:43 <aquatix> heh, true
Aug 08 11:00:57 <AStorm> crashanddie: it'd be ubercrowded
Aug 08 11:01:03 <aquatix> but i'm generally using public transports to go *to* those cities
Aug 08 11:01:10 <crashanddie> AStorm, more than wifi on public transport ?
Aug 08 11:01:12 <AStorm> that's how it is with such services
Aug 08 11:01:17 <AStorm> crashanddie: yes
Aug 08 11:01:18 <aquatix> crashanddie: that's per bus/metro/train
Aug 08 11:01:25 <aquatix> even cabin
Aug 08 11:02:02 <Khertan_n810> i ve asked again for metro to the dev ... and offer him to dev a gtk version in python
Aug 08 11:02:04 <crashanddie> so you request a way for the trains to be covered by internet, even though they have to go through tunnels, and move at high speed ?
Aug 08 11:02:07 <AStorm> pity network through cellphone is expensive here
Aug 08 11:02:19 <Khertan_n810> bye
Aug 08 11:02:23 <crashanddie> Khertan_n810, ++
Aug 08 11:02:50 <AStorm> crashanddie: simple, install just two transmitters in a long tunnel
Aug 08 11:02:54 <aquatix> crashanddie: wifi hotspot in train, hsdpa uplink or something?
Aug 08 11:03:02 <AStorm> yes, that
Aug 08 11:03:10 <crashanddie> aquatix, that would be frigging expensive
Aug 08 11:03:11 <AStorm> or radio uplink, CDMA
Aug 08 11:03:25 <aquatix> or some uplink thing at the side of the railway
Aug 08 11:03:32 <aquatix> crashanddie: why?
Aug 08 11:03:45 <Khertan> re
Aug 08 11:03:58 <AStorm> the problem would be upping all the  cells to HSDPA
Aug 08 11:04:12 <aquatix> one or two flat-fee hsdpa uplinks, some wifi AP's en a kilometer of utp
Aug 08 11:04:16 <Khertan> crashanddie > this work on the line 13 in paris
Aug 08 11:04:16 <aquatix> ah
Aug 08 11:04:16 <AStorm> while CDMA needs a fairly cheap antenna
Aug 08 11:04:24 <aquatix> no CDMA here ;)
Aug 08 11:04:30 <Khertan> i stay connected while i'm in the metro
Aug 08 11:04:41 <crashanddie> Khertan, yeah, and they're about to shut it off because of the expenses
Aug 08 11:04:43 <Khertan> samething for line 14
Aug 08 11:04:56 <AStorm> aquatix: this radio uplink has huge range
Aug 08 11:04:58 <Khertan> line 1, 2 , 4, 5
Aug 08 11:05:04 <AStorm> much like wimax
Aug 08 11:05:06 <Khertan> crashanddie > are u sure ?
Aug 08 11:05:12 <aquatix> i have really good gsm/gprs coverage in metro in amsterdam
Aug 08 11:05:18 <crashanddie> Khertan, aye
Aug 08 11:05:21 <Khertan> crashanddie > it s just a 3G
Aug 08 11:05:26 <Khertan> crashanddie > ?
Aug 08 11:05:34 <AStorm> UMTS is 3G
Aug 08 11:05:38 <Khertan> not 3G+ but work well
Aug 08 11:05:42 <AStorm> HSDPA is 3.5G
Aug 08 11:05:48 <crashanddie> Khertan, they're currently negotiating new prices, but at the moment, there's too much bandwidth usage for the deals they had
Aug 08 11:06:03 <crashanddie> Khertan, if they can't get better deals, they'll shut it off, and wait for wimax
Aug 08 11:06:17 <aquatix> AStorm: yeah, but hsdpa are `minor' upgrades to umts
Aug 08 11:06:45 <AStorm> aquatix: wrong
Aug 08 11:06:57 <AStorm> it's a huge update
Aug 08 11:07:07 <crashanddie> How fast is the current uplink for HSDPA at the moment ?
Aug 08 11:07:08 <aquatix> Khertan: ah, now it synchs fine
Aug 08 11:07:17 <Khertan> :)
Aug 08 11:07:30 <Khertan> and sync work with gprs too :)
Aug 08 11:07:31 <AStorm> crashanddie: depends on the version, some 1 Mbit in the best?
Aug 08 11:07:40 <crashanddie> ok
Aug 08 11:07:44 <crashanddie> so you have 1Mbit uplink
Aug 08 11:08:08 <aquatix> and about 3.2MBit down
Aug 08 11:08:08 <crashanddie> say you have 50 users, that's 2kB/s upload per user
Aug 08 11:08:10 <AStorm> and 7,6M downlink :>
Aug 08 11:08:29 <AStorm> aquatix: wrong version :>
Aug 08 11:08:39 <aquatix> AStorm: i was being realistic ;)
Aug 08 11:08:46 <crashanddie> and I doubt you'll only have 50 users on a train
Aug 08 11:09:00 <crashanddie> It's just going to be flooded 24/7
Aug 08 11:09:14 <aquatix> crashanddie: well, at least it's used then
Aug 08 11:09:30 <crashanddie> They'll need multiple uplinks, there's going to be abuse
Aug 08 11:09:38 <AStorm> actually...
Aug 08 11:09:39 <aquatix> i'm not sure how many will use wifi in the train btw; don't see too many people using laptops or tablets on it
Aug 08 11:09:54 <AStorm> laptops there are many
Aug 08 11:10:05 <crashanddie> aquatix, you're never been on the london tube have you? :P
Aug 08 11:10:14 <aquatix> ah, metro
Aug 08 11:10:19 <crashanddie> s/'re/'ve/
Aug 08 11:10:19 <infobot> crashanddie meant: aquatix, you've never been on the london tube have you? :P
Aug 08 11:10:39 <aquatix> crashanddie: no, i never been to London even
Aug 08 11:10:44 <aquatix> plan to visit though
Aug 08 11:10:55 <AStorm> trick is tying your wifi pass to the metro pass
Aug 08 11:10:59 <aquatix> but i've experience with amsterdam, brussels
Aug 08 11:11:13 <AStorm> e.g. make wifi avail. only to people with monthly or more
Aug 08 11:11:25 <AStorm> cost-effective :>
Aug 08 11:11:27 <crashanddie> and welcome to administration hell
Aug 08 11:11:34 <AStorm> no, why?
Aug 08 11:12:21 <crashanddie> because, people need to authenticate against some blobed up web page, you can steal MAC addresses, you can use an NSTX attack to go past it
Aug 08 11:12:29 <AStorm> fail
Aug 08 11:12:34 <AStorm> WPA2
Aug 08 11:12:44 <aquatix> AStorm: lot of devices don't do wpa2
Aug 08 11:12:46 <crashanddie> oh please
Aug 08 11:12:50 <AStorm> so WPA
Aug 08 11:13:00 <crashanddie> and what, give everyone the password ?
Aug 08 11:13:03 <AStorm> no
Aug 08 11:13:08 <AStorm> RADIUS
Aug 08 11:13:12 <aquatix> set up a radius sever?
Aug 08 11:13:15 <aquatix> yeah :)
Aug 08 11:13:16 <crashanddie> LOL
Aug 08 11:13:23 <AStorm> generate a new pass going through a gate
Aug 08 11:13:33 <crashanddie> do you have any idea of the costs/difficulty ?
Aug 08 11:13:40 <aquatix> crashanddie: yeah
Aug 08 11:13:42 <aquatix> so? ;)
Aug 08 11:13:44 <AStorm> not harder than current tickets
Aug 08 11:13:48 <AStorm> :>
Aug 08 11:13:55 * aquatix sticks with his private mobile connection
Aug 08 11:13:59 <crashanddie> Well, they're not going to do it, considering there's no money to gain
Aug 08 11:14:13 <AStorm> there could be :>
Aug 08 11:14:22 <crashanddie> do you really think they're going to install such an infrastructure just so "we can be happy" ?
Aug 08 11:14:25 <aquatix> get more people to use public transports
Aug 08 11:14:33 <AStorm> yup
Aug 08 11:14:41 <aquatix> might even work here in the netherlands
Aug 08 11:14:48 <AStorm> and they could even sell that additionally
Aug 08 11:14:58 <crashanddie> aquatix, people who don't use public transport, usually can afford to have unlimited data plans with their mobile, so they don't give a rat's ass about wifi
Aug 08 11:15:00 <aquatix> but knowing the companies, they will only put it in first class and such
Aug 08 11:15:12 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 11:15:14 <aquatix> crashanddie: erm, i drive a car
Aug 08 11:15:21 <aquatix> hm, bad example
Aug 08 11:15:26 <crashanddie> aquatix, because you don't live in a big city
Aug 08 11:15:47 <aquatix> i went to my university by public transports from this address
Aug 08 11:15:49 <AStorm> crashanddie: pity gprs doesn't work underground
Aug 08 11:15:59 <AStorm> at least here (except stations)
Aug 08 11:16:02 <aquatix> AStorm: in amsterdam it does
Aug 08 11:16:08 <aquatix> gsm network in the metro
Aug 08 11:16:10 <crashanddie> AStorm, works here too
Aug 08 11:16:11 <AStorm> aquatix: :)
Aug 08 11:16:27 <aquatix> even better reception than above ground :)
Aug 08 11:16:40 <AStorm> soory, yes, retarded country Poland is, forgot
Aug 08 11:16:49 <aquatix> heheh
Aug 08 11:17:03 <aquatix> nah, Poland isn't retarded
Aug 08 11:17:19 <AStorm> it is "mildly deficient"
Aug 08 11:17:21 <aquatix> but investing in cellphone coverage in the metro might be nice
Aug 08 11:17:28 <crashanddie> anyway, you're asking for something extremely difficult to setup, and thus extremely costly to setup, and for which the return value isn't evident, and if there is a return value, it's rather null
Aug 08 11:17:32 <aquatix> in amsterdam it's almost necessairy
Aug 08 11:17:40 <AStorm> crashanddie: simple to setup
Aug 08 11:17:46 <crashanddie> aquatix, zit jij dan in nl ?
Aug 08 11:17:51 <aquatix> crashanddie: and it's obsolete on completion
Aug 08 11:17:54 <aquatix> crashanddie: ja
Aug 08 11:18:00 <crashanddie> aquatix, oooh, leuk :)
Aug 08 11:18:04 <aquatix> zeker
Aug 08 11:18:43 <aquatix> crashanddie: where are you located?
Aug 08 11:18:46 <aquatix> if i may ask?
Aug 08 11:18:53 <crashanddie> London now
Aug 08 11:18:58 <aquatix> ah
Aug 08 11:19:10 <zap_> pretty interesting, Georgia map is empty in google maps
Aug 08 11:19:10 <aquatix> yeah, figured something from your reverse dns
Aug 08 11:19:24 <crashanddie> heh :)
Aug 08 11:19:29 <aquatix> crashanddie: i live halfway between amsterdam and alkmaar
Aug 08 11:19:44 <crashanddie> aquatix, nice... I spent some time in Delft
Aug 08 11:19:48 <aquatix> aha
Aug 08 11:20:04 <aquatix> reason i have to use a car to get to work is because of the transfer times
Aug 08 11:20:26 <aquatix> and the 7km of biking through windy Den Helder to and from work
Aug 08 11:20:41 <crashanddie> lol @ "windy"
Aug 08 11:21:00 <crashanddie> oooh, 30kph of wind... Djeezus, now there's something :P
Aug 08 11:21:05 <aquatix> :)
Aug 08 11:21:20 <aquatix> there's *always* wind there...
Aug 08 11:21:35 <aquatix> and i work at the Navi, so in the harbour
Aug 08 11:21:51 <aquatix> so: car
Aug 08 11:21:51 <crashanddie> aquatix, get your bike out in northern catalunya, I'll show you what "windy" really means :P
Aug 08 11:21:56 <aquatix> heheh
Aug 08 11:22:07 <aquatix> my main problem is the 2 hour of train travel
Aug 08 11:22:17 <aquatix> with almost 1h being transfer times
Aug 08 11:22:17 <crashanddie> anyway, gotta go
Aug 08 11:22:22 <crashanddie> bbl
Aug 08 11:22:24 <aquatix> ok, cya
Aug 08 11:22:29 <crashanddie> aquatix, yeah, that sucks
Aug 08 11:22:41 <aquatix> by car it's 55 to 60 minutes
Aug 08 11:22:48 <aquatix> stupid 80km/h roads...
Aug 08 11:22:59 <aquatix> anyways, ttyl :)
Aug 08 11:23:08 <crashanddie> so you live like 70km from work ?
Aug 08 11:23:15 <crashanddie> would be better to just move closer :D
Aug 08 11:23:17 <aquatix> 65km
Aug 08 11:23:20 <aquatix> no way
Aug 08 11:23:30 <aquatix> i'm not moving to alkmaar or further north
Aug 08 11:23:35 <lcuk> drive faster - or buy a flying car
Aug 08 11:23:41 <aquatix> i like to live in the real world ;)
Aug 08 11:23:57 <aquatix> lcuk: maybe i should borrow one of their helicopters ;)
Aug 08 11:24:02 <crashanddie> lcuk, I think they call that a helicopter nowadays
Aug 08 11:24:23 <aquatix> lcuk: and about driving faster: hush, don't wake the dogs ;)
Aug 08 11:24:59 <lcuk> so, your boss thinks it takes 55 minutes to arrive at work, but in reality its a 15minute journey ;)
Aug 08 11:25:20 <aquatix> ha, i wish
Aug 08 11:25:23 <lcuk> crashanddie, microlite is probably more suitable
Aug 08 11:25:48 <aquatix> lcuk: poor little astra won't do 240 ;)
Aug 08 11:26:24 <lcuk> you need to get a tow then from something that can
Aug 08 11:26:50 <aquatix> lcuk: problem is that that 80km/h road crosses some small towns where you only are allowed 50
Aug 08 11:26:59 <aquatix> backwards piece of country...
Aug 08 11:27:24 <crashanddie> aquatix, hey, belgium is worse these days, you can't complain
Aug 08 11:27:34 <crashanddie> aquatix, most cities is 30, and most roads is 70
Aug 08 11:27:46 <aquatix> ew
Aug 08 11:27:50 <XTLi> Wow
Aug 08 11:28:32 <lcuk> crashanddie, no, only motorways
Aug 08 11:28:54 * lcuk sees no logic in the uk road speedlimits
Aug 08 11:29:01 <lardman> lcuk: or other roads with a central reservation
Aug 08 11:29:15 <lardman> lcuk: get rid I reckon
Aug 08 11:29:17 <lardman> :)
Aug 08 11:29:22 <crashanddie> lcuk, but then again, we have Brown as a PM, so I guess logic went out of the country when that happened
Aug 08 11:29:27 <lcuk> and no built up residential blocks
Aug 08 11:29:39 <lcuk> no, it was gone well before brown
Aug 08 11:30:23 <lcuk> my missus failed her test for speeding down a dual carraigeway at 40
Aug 08 11:30:48 <lardman> oh, one with a limit, or failed for going too slowly?
Aug 08 11:30:50 <lcuk> and another time for doin 30 in a 20 zone
Aug 08 11:30:59 <lcuk> one with a limit
Aug 08 11:31:04 <lcuk> shes got a leadfoot
Aug 08 11:31:07 <lardman> lol
Aug 08 11:31:09 <lardman> mine too
Aug 08 11:31:33 <lcuk> OIthey buy such dainty shoes then press em as hard as possible into the pedal
Aug 08 11:31:36 <lardman> probably why new shoes are needed every week ;)
Aug 08 11:31:39 <lcuk> lol tracy
Aug 08 11:32:02 <AStorm> lcuk: was that mph?
Aug 08 11:32:05 <lcuk> the "OI" was not typed by me :D
Aug 08 11:32:29 <lardman> AStorm: yes, it would be over here
Aug 08 11:32:43 <AStorm> here police don't care as long as you're not speeding overtly (about 20 km/h)
Aug 08 11:32:47 <aquatix> ah, that makes more sense
Aug 08 11:33:02 <aquatix> AStorm: i got a print for speeding 4km/h
Aug 08 11:33:12 <AStorm> oh shi-
Aug 08 11:33:15 <crashanddie> aquatix, you were probably way over that
Aug 08 11:33:16 <AStorm> idiots
Aug 08 11:33:20 <aquatix> which resulted in me going 57km/h where 50 is allowed
Aug 08 11:33:51 <aquatix> crashanddie: well, `way' is a bit much, but i went 7km too fast indeed
Aug 08 11:33:53 <AStorm> that's why thee cameras are here set to catch over 15 km/h
Aug 08 11:33:56 <lcuk>  something like 44 in a 30 zone - i was so impressed, my car was knackered and i was going uphill - it barely made it to work
Aug 08 11:34:06 <crashanddie> aquatix, there's always an edge, to account for the inaccuracy of your speedometer, and the fault tolerance in the radar/laser
Aug 08 11:34:15 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 11:34:20 <aquatix> crashanddie: yeah, that's 57 calibrated km's
Aug 08 11:34:29 <aquatix> so my needle would've done 62 or something
Aug 08 11:34:30 <AStorm> 44 might've been too much :>
Aug 08 11:34:41 <lcuk> ummmm forgive my half a sentense - tracy deleted it \o/
Aug 08 11:34:48 <lcuk> c
Aug 08 11:35:17 <crashanddie> tracy, will you please allow gary to talk with us, djeezus, women
Aug 08 11:35:20 <AStorm> lcuk: you've your own censorship :P
Aug 08 11:35:21 <aquatix> crashanddie: was in one of those small towns where i was taking speed back from doing 80km/h; if you're done with breaking, you can step on the gas again...
Aug 08 11:35:38 <crashanddie> aquatix, which usually is the cycle of driving
Aug 08 11:35:45 <AStorm> heh
Aug 08 11:35:51 <lcuk> i dont wanna talk to smelly geeks
Aug 08 11:35:53 <aquatix> yeah, but putting a speed cam there is just lame :)
Aug 08 11:35:59 <AStorm> 80 in town is... dangerous
Aug 08 11:36:02 <aquatix> true
Aug 08 11:36:08 <crashanddie> lcuk, who said that, gary or tracy ?
Aug 08 11:36:11 <aquatix> that's why i was doing 57 tops
Aug 08 11:36:23 <crashanddie> lcuk, and btw, who says we're smelly ?
Aug 08 11:36:30 <AStorm> aquatix: yeah, here they put it turned to back, 200m in town
Aug 08 11:36:31 <lcuk> who do you think \o/ i has been taken over
Aug 08 11:36:34 <aquatix> and likely was doing 50 5m down the road
Aug 08 11:36:37 <AStorm> :>
Aug 08 11:36:47 <crashanddie> and if you say "I can smell it from here", I'd say, put Gary in the shower
Aug 08 11:36:52 <lcuk> i cant stop local typing with vnc connected
Aug 08 11:36:53 <AStorm> that gets all the idiots who can't use the brake
Aug 08 11:37:19 <aquatix> turned to back?
Aug 08 11:37:30 <aquatix> picture from behind you mean?
Aug 08 11:37:39 <crashanddie> lcuk, so tracy, how is Gary in the everyday life ?
Aug 08 11:37:47 <aquatix> ah, reminds me i want to request their picture of me
Aug 08 11:37:48 <AStorm> aquatix: facing back of your car :>
Aug 08 11:37:54 <aquatix> curious where they where measuring
Aug 08 11:38:00 <aquatix> AStorm: yeah, that's default here
Aug 08 11:38:03 <lcuk_work> <<<<< not in vnc any more
Aug 08 11:38:03 <crashanddie> OH HAI LCUK_WORK
Aug 08 11:38:25 <AStorm> ALL HAIL LCUK_WORK
Aug 08 11:38:25 <aquatix> can i haz lcuk bek plz?
Aug 08 11:38:49 <lcuk_work> i am
Aug 08 11:38:58 <lcuk_work> its tracy has nicked my lcuk account
Aug 08 11:39:04 <lcuk> *grin*
Aug 08 11:39:26 <AStorm> hehehe
Aug 08 11:39:31 * aquatix votes for more girls on irc
Aug 08 11:39:36 <AStorm> nickserv to the rescue?
Aug 08 11:39:37 <crashanddie> aquatix, pervert
Aug 08 11:39:43 <aquatix> crashanddie: er, no
Aug 08 11:39:46 * lcuk_work wont buy you any more swarovski
Aug 08 11:39:58 * AStorm votes for more girls on metal concerts
Aug 08 11:39:59 <aquatix> they just are pleasant conversationist
Aug 08 11:40:05 <aquatix> AStorm: lol
Aug 08 11:40:18 <crashanddie> yeah... lol... "*grin*" really is an awesome conversation
Aug 08 11:40:30 <lcuk_work> and she wrote that before i left vnc
Aug 08 11:40:30 * trickie|work just votes for girls .
Aug 08 11:40:35 <AStorm> better than 8D
Aug 08 11:40:41 * aquatix likes the smile from a girl any time ;)
Aug 08 11:40:47 <aquatix> AStorm: lol
Aug 08 11:40:51 * andre___ votes for more metal fans on hiphop concerts
Aug 08 11:40:54 <lcuk> *loves u loads* ha it looks like u love yourself
Aug 08 11:40:57 <XTLi> XD
Aug 08 11:41:12 <lcuk_work> :O :D
Aug 08 11:41:16 <aquatix> andre___: a pit on a hiphop gig? ;)
Aug 08 11:41:37 <andre___> exactly. i had that the last time. surprising and amazing
Aug 08 11:41:50 <crashanddie> lcuk*, don't you have something better to do ?
Aug 08 11:41:55 <aquatix> andre___: that means you where visiting a hiphop concert? ;)
Aug 08 11:41:58 <AStorm> those were punks
Aug 08 11:42:03 <AStorm> probably
Aug 08 11:42:10 <aquatix> crashanddie: that's just lcuk_work simulating he has a girl ;)
Aug 08 11:42:10 <andre___> aquatix, yes :)
Aug 08 11:42:21 <AStorm> mwhaha
Aug 08 11:42:26 <AStorm> yeah
Aug 08 11:42:33 <lcuk_work> lcuk - have you broken anything else this morniN?
Aug 08 11:42:37 <lardman|lunch> mmmmmm
Aug 08 11:42:43 <AStorm> there are no girls onthe internets, except camwhores :P
Aug 08 11:42:43 <lcuk> no nothing new not so far
Aug 08 11:42:49 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, ironically, my mind is still set to the fact there's a time difference between the two of us
Aug 08 11:42:55 <AStorm> pics or it didn't happen :P
Aug 08 11:43:16 <lcuk_work> there is - you are just slow :P
Aug 08 11:43:18 <aquatix> AStorm: yeah, pics or i'm not convinced of girlyhood ;)
Aug 08 11:43:38 <crashanddie> lcuk_work, I'm closer to greenwich so you're out of synch, bitch :P
Aug 08 11:43:42 <lcuk> lol @ girlyhood
Aug 08 11:43:48 <AStorm> heh
Aug 08 11:43:48 <lcuk_work> oh tracy, was talkin to james about kittens (hes gettin bengals) and he saw us on oldham cats thing
Aug 08 11:44:04 <XTLi> Bengals are neat
Aug 08 11:44:12 <lcuk> cool :D
Aug 08 11:44:23 * aquatix starts conversation with lcuk demanding pic ;)
Aug 08 11:44:26 <lcuk_work> yer, the way they rips of your head and chew on your neck is niceeeeee
Aug 08 11:44:37 <lcuk_work> aquatix: you want pussy pictures?
Aug 08 11:44:41 <aquatix> lol
Aug 08 11:44:46 <aquatix> hairy ones? ;)
Aug 08 11:45:04 <aquatix> was kinda skipping your kitting conversation
Aug 08 11:45:05 <lcuk_work> well im sure i could rustle up some shaven pussy pics - always makes tracy laugh
Aug 08 11:45:09 <crashanddie> ok, that'll be enough guys
Aug 08 11:45:17 <aquatix> lcuk_work: wet pussies are nice too
Aug 08 11:45:40 <aquatix> crashanddie: irc getting nsfw?
Aug 08 11:45:45 <lcuk> *closes eyes* cant believe such filth on here but i spose the net does corrupt ppl specially geeks who live here :D
Aug 08 11:46:03 <aquatix> lcuk: hey, you brought up the subject of cats
Aug 08 11:46:05 <crashanddie> lcuk, don't talk too loudly, don't forget your hubby spends quite some time "in here"
Aug 08 11:46:21 <aquatix> lcuk: ;)
Aug 08 11:46:31 <lcuk_work> cant corrupt me any further than i am already
Aug 08 11:46:48 <lcuk> yeah i know he does im forever yelling bout it
Aug 08 11:46:53 <lcuk_work> http://chase.inthebasement.us/wp-content/lioncut.jpg     <<< hot naked shaven pussy picture
Aug 08 11:47:01 <crashanddie> I'm guessing we've all seen this one:
Aug 08 11:47:01 <lcuk> laffs at lion cut
Aug 08 11:47:08 <crashanddie> Blonde chick with nice pussy: http://corporate.skynet.be/sonal/wilfried/humor/files/blonde%20chick%20with%20nice%20pussy.jpg
Aug 08 11:47:31 <lcuk> right boys play nice im off to finish my hoovering an play guitar hero:D
Aug 08 11:47:54 <lcuk_work> ok sweetie, cya later on (K)
Aug 08 11:48:02 <aquatix> crashanddie: messie pussy: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-cat-does-not-want-you-to-ask.jpg
Aug 08 11:48:20 <aquatix> lcuk: have fun :)
Aug 08 11:48:35 <crashanddie> lcuk, I'll pwn you at GH anytime of the day :P
Aug 08 11:48:38 <aquatix> lcuk_work: ooh, you have a girl that does the hoovering :)
Aug 08 11:48:45 <aquatix> mine demands i do that ;)
Aug 08 11:49:03 <AStorm> hey, caturday is tomorrow
Aug 08 11:49:09 <aquatix> AStorm: it is?
Aug 08 11:49:11 * aquatix notes 
Aug 08 11:49:15 <lcuk_work> aquatix: tracys definition of fun: electrocuted twice, breaking computers putting back out, dropping lamps and finally football to the head :( she needs tlc
Aug 08 11:49:28 <aquatix> aww
Aug 08 11:49:31 <lcuk> i didnt drop the lamp
Aug 08 11:49:38 <lcuk_work> lol
Aug 08 11:49:53 <lcuk> or break the pc it was just malfuctioning of its own accord
Aug 08 11:49:54 <lcuk_work> i notice you dont deny the rest
Aug 08 11:49:55 <AStorm> yeah, gravity did that
Aug 08 11:50:04 <lcuk> no cant deny the electrocution
Aug 08 11:50:11 <AStorm> hehehe
Aug 08 11:50:13 <aquatix> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-it-would-be-best-if-you-closed-the-airlock.jpg <- *grin*
Aug 08 11:50:22 <lcuk_work> i was shocked to hear it
Aug 08 11:50:35 <aquatix> lcuk_work: it's contaminating?
Aug 08 11:50:38 <lcuk_work> aquatix:  you on ichc?
Aug 08 11:50:47 <aquatix> lcuk_work: only read it
Aug 08 11:51:07 <lcuk_work> aquatix: yer she caught it first time, but then didnt realise it was finished and it came back for another go
Aug 08 11:51:55 <AStorm> aquatix: yeah, we know you're not a cat
Aug 08 11:52:01 <lcuk_work> right, smoke time - ill be back ;later
Aug 08 11:52:15 <aquatix> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/funny-pictures-your-cat-cooks-his-own-cheeseburger.jpg <- lol
Aug 08 11:52:37 <aquatix> lcuk_work: talking about smoking ^
Aug 08 11:52:46 <aquatix> AStorm: i aint?
Aug 08 11:53:03 <AStorm> aquatix: yeah, you're not on ichc
Aug 08 11:53:16 <aquatix> AStorm: i'm ceiling cat's dad
Aug 08 11:53:26 <aquatix> can't be pictured
Aug 08 11:56:10 <AStorm> what about drawing?
Aug 08 11:56:27 * lcuk_work signs off here
Aug 08 11:56:58 <aquatix> AStorm: sorry, only my name in tasty utf8 characters
Aug 08 11:57:06 <aquatix> or tasteful, whatever you like
Aug 08 11:57:10 <aquatix> nomnomnom
Aug 08 11:57:17 <AStorm> lecker :>
Aug 08 11:58:49 <aquatix> did you mean lekker?
Aug 08 11:58:57 <AStorm> close
Aug 08 11:59:02 <AStorm> that was German
Aug 08 11:59:07 <aquatix> ah
Aug 08 11:59:12 <aquatix> fair enough :)
Aug 08 12:02:51 <aquatix> lcuk: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-wonders-if-you-are-done-vaccuuming.jpg
Aug 08 12:07:00 <AStorm> is there a way to upgrade to diablo w/o reflash?
Aug 08 12:07:11 <AStorm> doesn't have to be easy
Aug 08 12:08:49 <Khertan> hrw > the devs of metro doesn't want my help to make a gtk version they prefers to maintain their dev themself
Aug 08 12:15:57 <aquatix> Khertan: i gave up on metro when i gave up on using my palms daily
Aug 08 12:16:26 <AStorm> huh what?
Aug 08 12:16:38 <AStorm> you lost your hands? :>
Aug 08 12:17:43 <aquatix> ;)
Aug 08 12:17:50 <aquatix> i used Metro on my sony clie's
Aug 08 12:20:25 <hrw> someone here use Maemo mapper?
Aug 08 12:20:42 <hrw> with Google Street source
Aug 08 12:24:37 <hrw> it does not download maps
Aug 08 12:24:51 <AStorm> well, mine's broke
Aug 08 12:24:58 <AStorm> I'd like to know why
Aug 08 12:25:07 <AStorm> it]missing its home dir
Aug 08 12:25:15 <AStorm> and went batshit :>
Aug 08 12:25:54 <AStorm> hrw: maybe you crossed Google's daily dl limit
Aug 08 12:26:23 <hrw> AStorm: did not
Aug 08 12:28:59 <hrw> ok, something is fscked deeper
Aug 08 12:29:08 <hrw> openstreet maps are not fetched too
Aug 08 12:29:25 <AStorm> your connection has failed?
Aug 08 12:29:51 <hrw> I see...
Aug 08 12:30:22 <hrw> dns
Aug 08 12:30:37 <AStorm> ok, now, I tell you what happens, you tell me how to fix it :)
Aug 08 12:31:28 <AStorm> mapper can't open any db file (because they're not there)
Aug 08 12:31:34 <AStorm> how to fix?
Aug 08 12:31:54 <hrw> no idea
Aug 08 12:32:34 <AStorm> ok, mapper is stupid
Aug 08 12:33:01 <AStorm> it doesn't use readlink to check for exsistence of its dir :>
Aug 08 12:33:11 <AStorm> *existence
Aug 08 12:34:30 <AStorm> I had a symlink to zilch in my home dir
Aug 08 12:35:54 <pupnik_> Unconfirmed report that might affect your travel/work/investment plans  http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html
Aug 08 12:36:04 <AStorm> :>
Aug 08 12:36:44 <AStorm> another is that Russia  invaded^Wfreed S. Osetia (or Osetii)
Aug 08 12:37:32 <AStorm> s/freed/liberated
Aug 08 12:37:37 <AStorm> s/freed/liberated/
Aug 08 12:37:37 <infobot> AStorm meant: s/liberated/liberated
Aug 08 12:37:42 <pupnik_> it looked like they want to seceede
Aug 08 12:37:49 <AStorm> infobot: you're stupid
Aug 08 12:37:50 * infobot scratches his head
Aug 08 12:37:53 <pupnik_> hah
Aug 08 12:38:47 <kulve> nice overview about audio stream over BT: http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/holtmann-reprint.pdf
Aug 08 12:38:47 <AStorm> ok, we need some uber version of A* for navigation with Google Street :)
Aug 08 12:39:10 <AStorm> that is: vectorizer and A*
Aug 08 12:39:43 <AStorm> and some speed tagging
Aug 08 12:41:24 <AStorm> can I hear volunteers?
Aug 08 12:43:04 <derf> "uber version"?
Aug 08 12:43:35 <AStorm> no, GPS navigation version :)
Aug 08 12:43:49 <derf> I mean, A* is not a hard algorithm.
Aug 08 12:43:59 <AStorm> vectorizing is
Aug 08 12:44:15 <AStorm> cpu-intensive
Aug 08 12:44:24 <derf> I don't even know what you mean by that.
Aug 08 12:44:27 <AStorm> ...
Aug 08 12:44:35 <AStorm> drive-by-pixel is crap
Aug 08 12:44:56 <AStorm> you need to convert the bitmap to a vector format
Aug 08 12:45:04 <AStorm> then maybe tag street names
Aug 08 12:45:21 <AStorm> and speed limits
Aug 08 12:45:34 <derf> Or you could just use Open Street Map.
Aug 08 12:45:35 <AStorm> btw
Aug 08 12:45:41 <derf> And not have huge copyright infringement problems.
Aug 08 12:45:58 <AStorm> derf: not if you keep it personal
Aug 08 12:46:12 <AStorm> street name data is ok
Aug 08 12:46:20 <AStorm> vectorized map is not
Aug 08 12:46:35 <AStorm> so that part you'll have to do locally
Aug 08 12:47:06 <derf> That sounds like a PITA.
Aug 08 12:47:09 <AStorm> no
Aug 08 12:47:17 <AStorm> offline, output is small
Aug 08 12:47:29 <AStorm> do it in parts, while dling maybe :)
Aug 08 12:47:40 <derf> I don't know about you, but I often want maps for somewhere I want to go in the next few minutes.
Aug 08 12:47:58 <AStorm> ... predownload them?
Aug 08 12:48:07 <derf> There's no "offline", unless you want everyone to locally store a bazillion gigabytes of map data.
Aug 08 12:48:14 <AStorm> no, why?
Aug 08 12:48:23 <AStorm> you need a bunch of major cities
Aug 08 12:48:44 <AStorm> after processing, you could drop the original image even
Aug 08 12:49:15 <AStorm> vector data is tiny
Aug 08 12:49:52 <derf> I still had to download it once.
Aug 08 12:49:56 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 12:50:06 <AStorm> you have to do it now anyway :P
Aug 08 12:50:24 <AStorm> you don't have to vectorize everything at once
Aug 08 12:50:30 <derf> And even "tiny" vector data for every conceivable place I might want to go is probably larger than just the bitmap data for the places I actually go.
Aug 08 12:50:38 <AStorm> no
Aug 08 12:50:44 <AStorm> well, yes
Aug 08 12:51:04 <AStorm> but why vectoriye everything and not what you want?
Aug 08 12:51:15 <AStorm> *vectorize
Aug 08 12:51:21 <derf> Because it already takes too long just to download the maps _now_.
Aug 08 12:51:29 <derf> And you want to make that take even longer.
Aug 08 12:51:32 <AStorm> no
Aug 08 12:51:35 <AStorm> same time
Aug 08 12:51:44 <AStorm> cpu usage will go up
Aug 08 12:51:45 <derf> No, because now you've got a huge processing step afterwards.
Aug 08 12:51:50 <AStorm> not huge
Aug 08 12:51:56 <AStorm> huge for offline dload
Aug 08 12:51:57 <derf> I don't know about you, but when my tablet is downloading maps, it is pegging the CPU 100%.
Aug 08 12:52:04 <AStorm> small for incremental dload
Aug 08 12:52:10 <AStorm> hmmh
Aug 08 12:52:14 <AStorm> that's sqlite
Aug 08 12:52:23 <AStorm> I'd drop that crud already
Aug 08 12:52:25 <AStorm> it sucks
Aug 08 12:52:39 <derf> Well, if you solve _that_ problem, then maybe I'll care about the rest.
Aug 08 12:52:46 <AStorm> :)
Aug 08 12:52:47 <derf> But just fixing that by itself would be a nice first step.
Aug 08 12:53:16 <AStorm> first, setting sqlite acid level to yilch speeds it up 1000x
Aug 08 12:53:24 <AStorm> *zilch
Aug 08 12:53:53 <AStorm> this stupid piece of software runs fsync after each transaction
Aug 08 12:53:59 <derf> You know, I actually like the fact that when my tablet freezes and reboots, my ginormous map database that represents hours of downloading time doesn't get corrupted.
Aug 08 12:54:09 <AStorm> heh yup
Aug 08 12:54:22 <AStorm> I actually prefer file-based dbs
Aug 08 12:54:33 <AStorm> easier to fix
Aug 08 12:54:58 <derf> I don't want to have to fix it.
Aug 08 12:55:03 <AStorm> if you need to reduce seek time, gzip
Aug 08 12:55:06 <derf> I want it to not break.
Aug 08 12:55:20 <AStorm> derf: well, fsync doesn't help
Aug 08 12:55:35 <AStorm> JFFS2 is journalling, right?
Aug 08 12:55:40 <AStorm> ext3 too
Aug 08 12:55:48 <AStorm> etc.
Aug 08 12:55:48 <derf> Only metadata.
Aug 08 12:55:53 <AStorm> hmm
Aug 08 12:56:02 <derf> I have no idea about jffs2, but it's irrelevant.
Aug 08 12:56:09 <AStorm> relevant
Aug 08 12:56:14 <derf> Nobody puts maps on their main card.
Aug 08 12:56:16 <AStorm> it fsyncs really
Aug 08 12:56:29 <derf> And nobody uses jffs2 anywhere else.
Aug 08 12:56:30 <AStorm> ext3 doesn't, well
Aug 08 12:56:48 <AStorm> ext3 cheats a bit, by default buffers up to 5s
Aug 08 12:57:09 <AStorm> (or other if you set commit=x option)
Aug 08 12:57:42 <AStorm> although MMC is slow
Aug 08 12:57:50 <AStorm> 2 MB/s or so
Aug 08 12:58:21 <derf> It's not that slow... I can barely download that fast.
Aug 08 12:58:33 <AStorm> but it frigging syncs every trans
Aug 08 12:58:50 <AStorm> so you get a one writeblock write
Aug 08 12:59:07 <AStorm> this stresses wear leveling too
Aug 08 12:59:38 <AStorm> and the transactions aren't too large
Aug 08 13:00:35 <AStorm> it's sqlite's fail
Aug 08 13:01:10 <AStorm> other dbs don't fsync
Aug 08 13:01:24 <AStorm> at worst you lose a transaction
Aug 08 13:02:31 <derf> So don't bitch at me about it, go complain to them.
Aug 08 13:02:44 <AStorm> well
Aug 08 13:02:57 <AStorm> just use something better
Aug 08 13:03:12 <derf> gunite accepts patches.
Aug 08 13:03:18 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 13:03:34 <AStorm> I have to try a hack at it
Aug 08 13:03:49 <AStorm> maybe at least "unsync" option
Aug 08 13:04:21 <AStorm> and do real trans instead of sqlite's auto
Aug 08 13:04:29 <AStorm> should help a lot
Aug 08 13:07:08 <AStorm> dammit
Aug 08 13:07:25 <AStorm> I'm getting "unable to create map repo" and crash
Aug 08 13:08:00 <AStorm> I'll better check for updates
Aug 08 13:10:36 <zapppp> could someone tell me some easy way to take screenshots on N810?
Aug 08 13:11:04 <AStorm> zapppp: the Load Applet
Aug 08 13:13:34 <zapppp> AStorm: I installed it just a moment ago and can't figure out where it stores the screenshots
Aug 08 13:13:46 <AStorm> in ~
Aug 08 13:13:49 <briand> in your home directory
Aug 08 13:13:53 <zap_> in ~MyDocs/.images/
Aug 08 13:14:00 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 13:14:17 <AStorm> I don't get why they hid these dirs
Aug 08 13:19:55 <trickie|work> kulve: thats is a good doc
Aug 08 13:20:11 <trickie|work> lardman|lunch may be interested in it
Aug 08 13:20:35 <trickie|work> although he probably knows much of it from doing his experiments
Aug 08 13:21:25 <zap_> I want good doc too :)
Aug 08 13:21:27 <zap_> where? :)
Aug 08 13:22:13 <trickie|work> zap_: scroll up to kulve's last comment
Aug 08 13:22:22 <trickie|work> or
Aug 08 13:22:23 <trickie|work> <kulve> nice overview about audio stream over BT: http://ols.fedoraproject.org/OLS/Reprints-2008/holtmann-reprint.pdf
Aug 08 13:22:27 <trickie|work> for the lazy :)
Aug 08 13:22:27 <zap_> I tried but my backlog is short
Aug 08 13:22:31 <trickie|work> ah ok
Aug 08 13:22:34 <trickie|work> there you go
Aug 08 13:22:39 <zap_> ah, I have xchat logging everything :) hehe, Big Brother watches you
Aug 08 13:22:48 <trickie|work> :)
Aug 08 13:25:02 <XTLi> Isn't the log on a web page somewhere
Aug 08 13:25:17 <zap_> indeed cool stuff
Aug 08 13:25:31 <zap_> indeed, the log is in the channel subject
Aug 08 13:38:33 <RST38h> lcuk: You should get it for your kid: http://gizmodo.com/5034644/working-plastic+welder-toy-for-kids-sounds-like-lawsuit+in+waiting
Aug 08 13:38:44 <RST38h> Not a deadly laser, but still...
Aug 08 13:44:32 <AStorm> RST38h: fun stuff, but needs good ventilation
Aug 08 13:45:17 <XTLi> Love the smell of pvc in the morning
Aug 08 13:46:13 <AStorm> pvc? who uses that nowadays?
Aug 08 13:46:37 <glass> kinky people
Aug 08 13:52:03 <RST38h> AStorm: beats weed.
Aug 08 13:53:51 <pupnik_> http://gizmodo.com/5034458/slow-motion-lightning-video-is-mindblowing-will-sell-a-thousand-slo+mo-cameras
Aug 08 13:59:52 <AStorm> hmm
Aug 08 13:59:58 <AStorm> someone broke stuff
Aug 08 14:02:25 <AStorm> there's no new lightmediascanner-ogg
Aug 08 14:02:45 <AStorm> kulve: move your junk :)
Aug 08 14:03:05 <AStorm> update to 0.1.10-maemo3
Aug 08 14:03:21 <pupnik_> heh pandora has a fat battery: - "Early testing of the battery at 500MHz, full screen brightness, audio section powered but not providing sound, and no power management has yielded 8.5 hours before the system shut down."
Aug 08 14:04:16 <AStorm> how heavy and large is it?
Aug 08 14:04:29 <AStorm> does it have an open 3D accel driver?
Aug 08 14:04:43 <Jaffa> pupnik_: will still reserve judgement until it's selling. It'll almost certainly be too bare bones to be anything other than an OSS DS competitor.
Aug 08 14:04:47 <johnx> supposedly "A little bigger than a nintendo ds lite, a little smaller than an original ds"
Aug 08 14:04:56 <pupnik_> it's pretty fat, 27mm iirc
Aug 08 14:05:01 <pupnik_> for the big honkin battery
Aug 08 14:05:01 <AStorm> blah
Aug 08 14:05:03 <AStorm> fail
Aug 08 14:05:13 <AStorm> pointless for me then
Aug 08 14:05:15 <johnx> yeah, bigger than a zaurus...
Aug 08 14:05:30 <johnx> it would fit in my cargo pants pockets, but not suit pants
Aug 08 14:05:35 <pupnik_> right
Aug 08 14:05:45 <AStorm> what I need is n810 with gsm modem :>
Aug 08 14:05:48 <pupnik_> still, takes up very little in a bag, purse, coat pocket
Aug 08 14:06:03 <AStorm> and a camera
Aug 08 14:06:05 <pupnik_> 8.5 hrs without power management puts it into another class
Aug 08 14:06:09 <johnx> yeah, and I always have a bag when I have a suit on...
Aug 08 14:06:23 <AStorm> pupnik_: like that Raon Everlast?
Aug 08 14:06:31 <AStorm> or what it's called
Aug 08 14:06:34 <johnx> something omap3 with a battery as big as the system board sounds about right to me :)
Aug 08 14:06:34 <pupnik_> dunno that
Aug 08 14:07:12 <AStorm> johnx: if just Nokia made a custom battery for n810 instead of reusing bp5l
Aug 08 14:07:24 <pupnik_> there's not much space in n810
Aug 08 14:07:27 <AStorm> and waste space
Aug 08 14:07:32 <johnx> I'm tired of the screen update issues of the n8x0 series
Aug 08 14:07:36 <AStorm> enough to put 2000 mAh
Aug 08 14:07:41 <AStorm> yup
Aug 08 14:07:45 <johnx> and really, a little speed bump would be nice for web browsing
Aug 08 14:07:51 <AStorm> fb chip is too slow
Aug 08 14:07:55 <pupnik_> when does screen update bother you johnx
Aug 08 14:08:02 <AStorm> movies, duh
Aug 08 14:08:04 <johnx> games mostly
Aug 08 14:08:12 <AStorm> and other interactive stuff
Aug 08 14:08:47 <johnx> movies can be worked around, since the movie player only has to be optimized once, but it's a problem for games...
Aug 08 14:09:20 <AStorm> fix libsdl?
Aug 08 14:09:50 <AStorm> kulve: frigging bump ogg-support plz
Aug 08 14:10:15 <lardman> johnx: +1 for the screen bandwidth issue
Aug 08 14:10:40 <johnx> it's even a problem for just normal screen redraws too
Aug 08 14:10:45 <lardman> The DSP on the OMAP3xxx also supports 8bit types, which would make life much easier
Aug 08 14:11:36 <johnx> part of me wants an omap3 based system that's the size of a small netbook. it could be mostly battery :)
Aug 08 14:13:35 <lardman> I'd just like something that doesn't choke on random videos, it's embarrassing
Aug 08 14:13:57 <lardman> and preferably something that still needs some work, otherwise I'll get bored :)
Aug 08 14:15:16 <lardman> hmm, looks like the DSP has a dedicated LCD DMA, I wonder where that would place data?
Aug 08 14:15:18 <pupnik_> johnx: a netbook form factor tablet would be great
Aug 08 14:15:19 <johnx> yeah, I'd actually be happy to have my n800 become my "boring, dependable, working" handheld :)
Aug 08 14:15:24 <lardman> (on the OMAP2xxx that is)
Aug 08 14:15:51 <pupnik_> lardman: so that LCD can talk to the epson, or only internal 2420 controller?
Aug 08 14:15:56 <pupnik_> memory
Aug 08 14:16:12 <johnx> pupnik_, same idea as the gigabyte m912 except an ARM instead of Atom? or smaller than that?
Aug 08 14:16:23 <lardman> so DSP can talk to the LCD, but probably not designed/workable with the external LCD controller we use
Aug 08 14:16:29 <pupnik_> about 'netbook' size for me
Aug 08 14:16:41 <pupnik_> or rather for older folks
Aug 08 14:16:55 <AStorm> no
Aug 08 14:17:00 <AStorm> too large
Aug 08 14:17:04 <pupnik_> they squint at 225dpi
Aug 08 14:17:14 <AStorm> current form factor is ok
Aug 08 14:17:22 <AStorm> iPhone-size
Aug 08 14:17:23 <pupnik> AStorm: older folks need bigger screens
Aug 08 14:17:35 <johnx> <rant>DPI is not a problem. Non-scaleable GUIs are the problem</rant>
Aug 08 14:17:48 <AStorm> johnx++
Aug 08 14:18:24 <lardman> I like the iPhone browser (same goes for the Nokia phones I think) which can quickly show a page overview, then zoom in, etc.
Aug 08 14:18:24 <johnx> if your font size changes with a change in physical screen dpi/ppi your system is *broken*
Aug 08 14:18:30 <pupnik> wrong.  scaling the app or GUI doesn't get you an old-folks compatible reading/browsing/computing experience
Aug 08 14:18:34 <johnx> if the buttons change size it has major room for improvement
Aug 08 14:18:49 <AStorm> pupnik: ...
Aug 08 14:18:57 <AStorm> get fucking glasses
Aug 08 14:19:00 <AStorm> :)
Aug 08 14:19:07 <pupnik> AStorm: you fail to understand
Aug 08 14:19:15 <pupnik> their eyes go bad
Aug 08 14:19:26 <AStorm> and they don't like glasses?
Aug 08 14:19:36 <AStorm> or contact lenses
Aug 08 14:19:41 <johnx> AStorm, sometimes glasses can't fix everything
Aug 08 14:19:46 <AStorm> maybe install braille screen?
Aug 08 14:19:49 <johnx> my vision is 20/35 with glasses
Aug 08 14:19:56 <AStorm> oh shi-
Aug 08 14:20:01 <AStorm> :|
Aug 08 14:20:17 <johnx> yeah, it's not a problem...I just use bigger fonts on my high dpi screen
Aug 08 14:20:21 * johnx rolls his eyes
Aug 08 14:20:22 <lardman> I don't like very small text
Aug 08 14:20:51 <lardman> I would prefer a slightly larger screen to be honest, Psion series 5 size, perhaps a touch smaller
Aug 08 14:21:11 <lardman> wouldn't be so pocketable, but would be more usable (for me at least)
Aug 08 14:21:12 <AStorm> can't go thicker though
Aug 08 14:21:21 <pupnik> would it be possible to attach a larger LCD to a used N800?
Aug 08 14:21:29 <lardman> I coulfd live with it if it had that keyboard! :)
Aug 08 14:21:29 <johnx> lardman, I actually keep looking at the psion 5 series as an interesting size...and the black/white LCD would take so little battery power...
Aug 08 14:21:32 <pupnik> custom case..
Aug 08 14:21:36 <AStorm> pupnik: lcd controller is junk
Aug 08 14:21:43 <AStorm> it'd choke
Aug 08 14:21:49 <lardman> johnx: colour is nice
Aug 08 14:21:50 <pupnik> same resolution but 7"
Aug 08 14:21:59 <johnx> lardman, the olpc display seems really interesting
Aug 08 14:22:00 <AStorm> pupnik: too large IMO
Aug 08 14:22:01 <lardman> pupnik: yep
Aug 08 14:22:08 <AStorm> 5,5"
Aug 08 14:22:16 <AStorm> what about that?
Aug 08 14:22:22 * lardman finds a ruler
Aug 08 14:22:27 <RST38h> So, what have I missed?
Aug 08 14:22:29 <AStorm> (size of old 770)
Aug 08 14:22:30 <lardman> only in cm :D
Aug 08 14:22:55 <lardman> ah yes, that's a decent size, just with a larger screen + N810 keyboard too
Aug 08 14:23:02 <AStorm> yup
Aug 08 14:23:10 <AStorm> and it's thickness
Aug 08 14:23:18 <johnx> RST38h, arguments about screen dpi, dreams of an omap3-based system between the size of a psion and a netbook, some other things probably
Aug 08 14:23:26 <lardman> bbiab
Aug 08 14:23:42 <RST38h> johnx: Sounds like regular selection of topics
Aug 08 14:23:48 <RST38h> No flame wars? No iPhone? =)
Aug 08 14:24:25 <AStorm> yup :)
Aug 08 14:24:38 <AStorm> still, add gsm modem
Aug 08 14:24:48 <AStorm> there *is* enough space
Aug 08 14:25:30 <AStorm> wimax, wifi, bt and gsm... made of win
Aug 08 14:25:32 <lardman|afk> how is the framebuffer transferred to the LCD controller, a DMA of some sort?
Aug 08 14:25:37 <RST38h> DMA
Aug 08 14:25:38 <AStorm> switch wifi chip while at it
Aug 08 14:25:56 <RST38h> There are actually three buffers
Aug 08 14:25:58 <AStorm> lardman|afk: yes, but controller is slow
Aug 08 14:26:01 <lardman|afk> RST38h: DMA to a peripheral then?
Aug 08 14:26:07 <RST38h> larman: yep
Aug 08 14:26:17 <RST38h> It goes like this:
Aug 08 14:26:41 <lardman> just wondering whether that could be done directly from the DSP, rather than having to write to the SDRAM framebuffer then let the ARM kernel call the update
Aug 08 14:26:45 <smackpotato1> maybe there is some hidden hardware
Aug 08 14:26:59 <RST38h> OMAP2 SDRAM ==DMA==> Epson chip buffer ==LCD IF==> LCD buffer
Aug 08 14:27:23 <lardman> do you happen to know what the Epson chip buffer is attached to?
Aug 08 14:27:30 <RST38h> lardman: Probably, but you will have to screw Epson chip in a particular manner
Aug 08 14:27:36 <AStorm> SPI?
Aug 08 14:27:38 <RST38h> ;ardman: to the epson chip!
Aug 08 14:27:41 <AStorm> ...
Aug 08 14:27:45 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 14:27:50 <lardman> SPI is it?
Aug 08 14:27:57 <AStorm> this is prob. McSPI
Aug 08 14:28:04 <lardman> RST38h: doh! ;)
Aug 08 14:28:04 <RST38h> "So, what do you do with an elephant gun? -- Hunt the elephants!"
Aug 08 14:28:32 <AStorm> no, kill people :p
Aug 08 14:28:38 <RST38h> lardman: you don't have direct access to two other buffers
Aug 08 14:28:54 <RST38h> lardman: But you can probably tell Epson chip "receive this sequence of bytes and store it"
Aug 08 14:28:55 <lardman> RST38h: which are those?
Aug 08 14:29:08 <RST38h> lardman: Epson chip buffer and LCD buffer
Aug 08 14:29:28 <RST38h> AStorm: inefficient.
Aug 08 14:29:36 <lardman> RST38h: how are they different? Memory shadowed?
Aug 08 14:29:37 <kulve> AStorm: what?
Aug 08 14:29:38 <AStorm> RST38h: yes
Aug 08 14:29:55 <AStorm> kulve: lighmediascanner-ogg 0.1.10-maemo3
Aug 08 14:30:00 <AStorm> it's missing
Aug 08 14:30:39 <AStorm> chinook repo, btw
Aug 08 14:30:45 <kulve> that should be provided by the canola team
Aug 08 14:30:53 <RST38h> lardman: these buffers are internal and not accessible to a programmer
Aug 08 14:31:16 <AStorm> kulve: hmm, then they failed at it
Aug 08 14:31:18 <RST38h> lardman: So, you have to be aware of them but there is no need to waste time wondering how exactly they are connected
Aug 08 14:31:28 <RST38h> "with wires" is a sufficient answer
Aug 08 14:31:44 <AStorm> nope
Aug 08 14:31:47 <lardman> RST38h: I see, but they are available mapped to some memory location usually
Aug 08 14:31:54 <RST38h> lardman: No
Aug 08 14:32:02 <AStorm> with wires using serial protocol is
Aug 08 14:32:14 <RST38h> lardman: If N8x0 used OMAP2 own buffer, it would be mapped
Aug 08 14:32:17 <AStorm> they're not mmapped
Aug 08 14:32:29 <RST38h> lardman: But Nokia went for the external chip with its own buffer
Aug 08 14:32:30 <lardman> they are accessed how then?
Aug 08 14:32:41 <RST38h> lardman: they are not accessed by you
Aug 08 14:32:42 <AStorm> RST38h: for reasons unknown
Aug 08 14:32:51 <RST38h> AStorm: For a well known reason
Aug 08 14:32:58 <lardman> so why is it a problem if I don't need to access them...?
Aug 08 14:33:01 <AStorm> chip gets a "update buffer" command
Aug 08 14:33:05 <RST38h> AStorm: OMAP2 does not support 800x480 resolution
Aug 08 14:33:06 <AStorm> epson
Aug 08 14:33:14 <lardman> I thought you were saying that the ARM side can access them, but the DSP won't be able to, etc.
Aug 08 14:33:14 <AStorm> RST38h: hmm?
Aug 08 14:33:17 <AStorm> ouch
Aug 08 14:33:20 <RST38h> lardman: it is not a problem
Aug 08 14:33:41 <lardman> RST38h: it does according to the Ti header (display.h) ;)
Aug 08 14:33:45 <RST38h> lardman: you just have to be aware of how the whole system works electrically, even if you can't access every piece of it in softwarer
Aug 08 14:34:20 <AStorm> RST38h: so the bottom line is: it's slow
Aug 08 14:34:37 <RST38h> lardman: I am saying that instead of configuring Epson chip to DMA data from SDRAM you can probably set it to be controlled directly
Aug 08 14:34:48 <AStorm> too slow probably
Aug 08 14:34:53 <RST38h> AStorm: Well, not slow if you make all the parts work in harmony
Aug 08 14:35:03 <lardman> ah, I was thinking that data would be pushed into it
Aug 08 14:35:06 <RST38h> AStorm: But it is not always possible
Aug 08 14:35:11 <lardman> rather than pulled into it
Aug 08 14:35:25 <RST38h> lardman: As I said, Epson chip probably allows both ways
Aug 08 14:36:21 <AStorm> push might be slow
Aug 08 14:36:35 <AStorm> as it's normally used for commands
Aug 08 14:37:36 <RST38h> yep
Aug 08 14:37:53 <RST38h> But if you are bent on using it, it may be possible
Aug 08 14:38:06 <AStorm> though pointless
Aug 08 14:38:19 <lardman> what, push>?
Aug 08 14:38:27 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 14:38:35 <lardman> I was just wondering if there was a faster way of displaying data
Aug 08 14:38:45 <lardman> but I'm not mad
Aug 08 14:38:51 <AStorm> not unless you rewire
Aug 08 14:39:18 <AStorm> you could try forcing refreshes more often
Aug 08 14:39:24 <lardman> from the DSP I mean
Aug 08 14:39:33 <AStorm> ah, then no
Aug 08 14:39:45 <lardman> but why not :) ?
Aug 08 14:39:51 <AStorm> none I know of
Aug 08 14:39:55 <lardman> unless the DSP is not attached to the correct bus
Aug 08 14:40:06 <AStorm> because epson is attached to dma
Aug 08 14:40:23 <AStorm> and dma takes data from memory
Aug 08 14:40:25 <lardman> well it could be un-DMA'd, but that might be tricky
Aug 08 14:40:58 <AStorm> uhm, with push
Aug 08 14:41:11 <AStorm> but that will be almost certainly slower
Aug 08 14:41:11 <RST38h> BTW, has anyone got access to OMAP's internal video buffer?
Aug 08 14:41:55 <AStorm> kulve: any idea how to get lightmediascanner-ogg or whom to prod?
Aug 08 14:41:56 <lardman> yeah, it's mapped in kernel space
Aug 08 14:42:07 <AStorm> but not displayed
Aug 08 14:42:15 <lardman> AStorm: no, by setting up a DMA on the DSP
Aug 08 14:42:15 <AStorm> you could work on it
Aug 08 14:42:20 <pupnik> could that be used for a kind of cache?
Aug 08 14:42:48 <RST38h> Can I get access to it in user space?
Aug 08 14:42:55 <AStorm> yes, mmap
Aug 08 14:42:58 <RST38h> ah
Aug 08 14:43:11 <lardman> look at the bora framebuffer code for the address
Aug 08 14:43:25 <RST38h> I think I know the address;)
Aug 08 14:43:42 <kulve> AStorm: Eduardo Lima (Etrunko), eblima@gmail.com
Aug 08 14:43:44 <AStorm> 0xdeadbeef?  ;)
Aug 08 14:43:53 <AStorm> kulve: thanks :)
Aug 08 14:43:54 <RST38h> You can probably draw there and let Epso chip DMA from that internal memory?
Aug 08 14:44:00 <RST38h> Or is it not DMAble?
Aug 08 14:44:13 <AStorm> hmmmmm
Aug 08 14:44:20 <AStorm> that sounds like a plan
Aug 08 14:45:13 <lardman> it's too small for the usual res
Aug 08 14:45:26 <lardman> not sure it'll be any faster than the SDRAM, but might be
Aug 08 14:45:31 <AStorm> DMA  twice?
Aug 08 14:45:34 <AStorm> possible?
Aug 08 14:45:58 <AStorm> interlacing :>
Aug 08 14:47:02 <lardman> you can just call the update ioctl after the dma from the DSP->ARM has completed
Aug 08 14:47:18 <AStorm> yes
Aug 08 14:47:31 <lardman> not ideal, but probably faster than the current writing each 16bit value into the shared memory region
Aug 08 14:47:47 <RST38h> lardman: it should be faster than sdram
Aug 08 14:48:13 <AStorm> I'd expect 10-15%
Aug 08 14:49:31 <AStorm> less cpu usage too
Aug 08 14:49:32 <lardman> what is the SRAM anyway?
Aug 08 14:49:41 <lardman> yeah DMA would be better for that
Aug 08 14:49:47 <AStorm> sdram? normal ram
Aug 08 14:50:07 <lardman> so, the built-in framebuffer memory is called SRAM in the kernel code
Aug 08 14:50:19 <RST38h> SRAM is very good
Aug 08 14:50:39 <RST38h> It may be significantly better than 10-15% depending on how you access it
Aug 08 14:50:50 <AStorm> well
Aug 08 14:50:58 <AStorm> you need to dma twice
Aug 08 14:50:58 <RST38h> Sequential accesses to SDRAM are just as fast but SRAM rules for random accesses
Aug 08 14:51:08 <RST38h> AStorm: you need to DMA twice anyway
Aug 08 14:51:14 <AStorm> hmm right
Aug 08 14:51:27 <RST38h> AStorm: if you use the model proposed by lardman (DSP->RAM->EPSON)
Aug 08 14:52:01 <RST38h> on the othe rhand dma is sequential by nature and this makes use of SDRAM properties
Aug 08 14:52:26 <Khertan> bye ...
Aug 08 14:52:43 <AStorm> but screen updates aren't, except in special cases
Aug 08 14:52:50 <lardman> well, I'll look at dma to the standard framebuffer in the first instance, see what that does
Aug 08 14:52:52 <AStorm> hmmh
Aug 08 14:53:40 <lardman> bora used to have a framebuffer in the SRAM, might be interesting to see how quick that was to use
Aug 08 14:54:56 <AStorm> if you could get 640x480...
Aug 08 14:55:07 <lardman> yeah
Aug 08 14:56:02 <lardman> ah well, if someone wants to test the SRAM, I'll test the DSP DMA
Aug 08 14:57:17 <lardman> any thoughts as to my strange sbc behaviour, data are passed to the dsp in 512 byte chunks, it does some processing then returns a 74 byte chunk (iirc), this is done through shared memory (i.e. SDRAM)
Aug 08 14:57:43 <lardman> if someone tries to watch a video while using the encoder, the framerate drops to ~1fps but the audio continues fine
Aug 08 14:58:26 <lardman> it's not a lack of cpu on the ARM side, any other ideas?
Aug 08 14:58:48 <AStorm> sdram is being used a lot
Aug 08 14:58:56 <lardman> yeah, would that cause such issues?
Aug 08 14:58:57 <AStorm> and it has limited bandwidth
Aug 08 14:59:02 <AStorm> maybe
Aug 08 14:59:20 <AStorm> encoder uses a lot of ram
Aug 08 14:59:23 <lardman> well about the same number of reads and writes would be needed if it were all on the ARM side
Aug 08 14:59:37 <lardman> encoder doesn't use any SDRAM other than the buffers to pass in and out
Aug 08 15:00:14 <AStorm> does it work faster w/o any dsp?
Aug 08 15:00:27 <lardman> yeah, it runs at the usual 30fps
Aug 08 15:00:37 <lardman> or whatever it's supposed to be
Aug 08 15:00:38 <AStorm> hmmm
Aug 08 15:00:46 <AStorm> maybe dma is too slow?
Aug 08 15:01:17 <lardman> dma isn't used for DSP<->ARM afaict
Aug 08 15:01:40 <AStorm> possibly dsp kernel gets stalled?
Aug 08 15:01:51 <AStorm> (due to cpu usage?)
Aug 08 15:01:58 <lardman> no, the DSP kernel is fine as the audio is still decoded at full speed
Aug 08 15:02:16 <lardman> just the video framerate (i.e. all ARM-side) is killed
Aug 08 15:02:16 <AStorm> hmmmm
Aug 08 15:03:52 <lardman> so, there's extra kernel overhead from the DSP transfers, this is not alot, but if it's knackering a timer then it might have an impact, and there's also the mmu work of sharing the data
Aug 08 15:05:32 <lardman> anyway, thought I'd try dma'ing the ARM<->DSP stuff and see if that helps
Aug 08 15:06:09 <AStorm> maybe some khread isn't RT?
Aug 08 15:06:23 <lardman> I wonder if mplayer can spit out some more info to give me a better idea of what's causing its problems
Aug 08 15:07:11 <qwerty12> It has a -really-quiet switch, think it comes with a -really-annoying switch? :P
Aug 08 15:07:16 <lardman> AStorm: yeah, that's the other option, I wonder if I set the LCD to autoupdate, it that would show more frames
Aug 08 15:07:28 <lardman> qwerty12: yeah -v 9 or something
Aug 08 15:07:40 <qwerty12> lardman, thanks, good to know
Aug 08 15:08:08 <lardman> AStorm: as atm I suppose mplayer has to enter the kernel via an ioctl to push the frame
Aug 08 15:08:13 <lardman> I don't know
Aug 08 15:08:30 <lardman> anyway, time to go, see you chaps later, have a nice weekend and all that :)
Aug 08 15:18:42 <pupnik> "ARM Releases AAC, MP3, MPEG-4, H.264 and FFT OpenMAX DL Libraries, Highly Optimized for Cortex-A8/NEON and ARM11 Processors"
Aug 08 15:18:45 <pupnik> http://www.arm.com/news/21181.html
Aug 08 16:04:31 * GAN800 eyes the new logo on the site.
Aug 08 16:04:40 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Aug 08 16:04:44 <GAN800> Welcome to Web 2.0 <_<
Aug 08 16:05:04 <GAN800> It seems to be getting worse rather than growing on me
Aug 08 16:05:19 <Khertan_n810> how do you say in english when a reccurent event is planned for the day : 'All day'
Aug 08 16:05:43 <Khertan_n810> gan800 > web 2.0 is a marketting term
Aug 08 16:06:21 <GAN800> '* GAN800 eyes the new logo on the site'
Aug 08 16:06:21 <Khertan_n810> i mean from the start of the day to the end ...
Aug 08 16:06:31 <Khertan_n810> oh ...
Aug 08 16:06:37 <Khertan_n810> i ll look
Aug 08 16:06:43 <GAN800> Yes, Khertan, I'm well aware of what the term means. ;)
Aug 08 16:07:40 <qwerty12> GAN800, which site?
Aug 08 16:07:41 <Khertan_n810> hum not very well integrated with the current sitge
Aug 08 16:07:48 <GAN800> maemo.org
Aug 08 16:08:46 <qwerty12> Oh I see. I prefer the old logo there. Maybe if the rest of the page is more modernised, it will fit there.
Aug 08 16:09:08 <GAN800> I just don't very much care for the logo.
Aug 08 16:12:08 <Navi> GAN800, is totally Web 1.0
Aug 08 16:15:19 <XTL> Sourceforge
Aug 08 16:18:53 <lbt> GAN800: well, if you wanted to help pick it you shouldn't have submitted one...
Aug 08 16:19:14 <GAN800> Did I submit one?
Aug 08 16:19:23 * GAN800 eyeroll
Aug 08 16:19:23 <lbt> didn't you?
Aug 08 16:19:27 <GAN800> No.
Aug 08 16:19:38 <lbt> I didn't hear you volunteer to judge them
Aug 08 16:19:53 <GAN800> I was in California
Aug 08 16:19:58 <lbt> I was in the UK
Aug 08 16:20:07 <Navi> I was with j00r mother
Aug 08 16:20:08 <lbt> peter was in nokialand
Aug 08 16:20:11 <GAN800> Besides, dneary was picking up people like Peter
Aug 08 16:20:42 <lbt> in the end there were only 4 of us
Aug 08 16:20:44 <GAN800> California is relevant because I was on vacation with limited internet access.
Aug 08 16:21:08 <GAN800> Oh, OK, defensive.
Aug 08 16:21:11 <lbt> lack of interest from those in the community who didn't submit I guess
Aug 08 16:21:13 <GAN800> right then
Aug 08 16:21:23 <lbt> no - I was just surprised
Aug 08 16:21:32 <lbt> that not many people wanted to help pick
Aug 08 16:21:57 <lbt> anyhow - no complaining if you didn't volunteer ;)
Aug 08 16:22:06 * GAN800 eyeroll
Aug 08 16:22:12 <lcuk> lardman|gone, the epson chip apparantly has 2 DMA modes and we are only using one of them (the slowest)  if the other DMA mode is available it should bring an improvement in bandwidth.  im not sure where i read about the slower mode, but if it doesnt involve soldering it might be worth looking into
Aug 08 16:22:20 <lbt> (of course, anyone who submitted a logo can complain as much as they like!)
Aug 08 16:22:33 <lcuk> as for other methods to get the data into the chip, i dont think the epson can see the internal SRAM
Aug 08 16:22:40 <GAN800> I've got enough on my plate without adding more
Aug 08 16:22:53 <lbt> I've got practically nothing to do.
Aug 08 16:22:55 <qwerty12> lcuk, no idea if this relates to what you said but the epson chip is connected by a low speed interface
Aug 08 16:22:57 <lbt> oh, wait...
Aug 08 16:22:59 <GAN800> there's probably such a thing as being too involved.
Aug 08 16:23:13 <lcuk> qwerty12, thats exactly what i said :P
Aug 08 16:23:15 <GAN800> _Maemo stuff_
Aug 08 16:23:28 <lbt> well, it's done now, make the best of it <grin>
Aug 08 16:23:42 <qwerty12> lcuk, I just dont see DMA != interfaces but I dunno what I am on about :)
Aug 08 16:23:47 <lbt> and we got peter to allow the use of the logo on its own
Aug 08 16:23:48 <GAN800> Anyway, man up and handle a little criticism.
Aug 08 16:23:55 <lcuk> lbt, you getting twitchy fingers? need something to code?
Aug 08 16:24:06 <lbt> shopper 0.3 is done
Aug 08 16:24:15 <lbt> I just need my multiboot to multiboot
Aug 08 16:24:22 <lbt> so I can test chinook debs
Aug 08 16:24:32 <Khertan_n810> lbt > yes my logo was the best and it haven t been chossen
Aug 08 16:24:41 <Khertan_n810> s/chossen/choose
Aug 08 16:24:50 <lbt> you spelt maemo wrong
Aug 08 16:24:51 <lcuk> so i can buy a third of a bottle of milk - i cant wait to get the v1.0 stuff - theres a bottle of booze with my name on it
Aug 08 16:24:57 <lbt> and cheese
Aug 08 16:25:11 <lbt> it supports cheese 2.0 now!!!
Aug 08 16:25:14 <Khertan_n810> http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png
Aug 08 16:25:20 <lcuk> Khertan_n810, your logo was amazing - i want a tshirt with it on
Aug 08 16:25:27 <lcuk> more cheese
Aug 08 16:25:28 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 16:25:36 <Khertan_n810> lcuk ... no no no
Aug 08 16:25:47 <lcuk> no?
Aug 08 16:25:51 <lcuk> will that cheapen the art?
Aug 08 16:25:56 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 16:26:01 <lbt> logo on cheese?
Aug 08 16:26:07 <Khertan_n810> hum sorry wrong windows
Aug 08 16:26:15 <lcuk> you could sell that on the maemo.org art store for $999
Aug 08 16:26:16 <lbt> windows is always wrong
Aug 08 16:26:39 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > of course u can make a tshirt with it
Aug 08 16:26:42 <lbt> bbl
Aug 08 16:26:48 <lcuk> \o/ w0000t
Aug 08 16:26:55 <Khertan_n810> i ll try to get one with it
Aug 08 16:27:04 <Khertan_n810> for the summit
Aug 08 16:27:06 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 16:27:22 <lcuk> i might get a tshirt with the logo filename printed on it
Aug 08 16:27:42 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > hehe
Aug 08 16:27:48 <lcuk> did you use your tablet to sketch it?
Aug 08 16:27:54 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 08 16:27:58 <Khertan_n810> yep :)
Aug 08 16:28:06 <lcuk> good job man
Aug 08 16:28:13 <Khertan_n810> lol
Aug 08 16:28:20 <lcuk> then i shall wear it with pride - until people ask me why im bleeding
Aug 08 16:28:32 <lcuk> i must go anyway
Aug 08 16:28:46 * lcuk packs up his bag and goes home
Aug 08 16:28:52 <Khertan_n810> i m looking for an online shop that make t shirt
Aug 08 16:29:09 <Khertan_n810> lcuk > hehe i m in the train to go home
Aug 08 16:58:42 <Khertan_n810> hum i need to make a larger image if want to make a t shirt
Aug 08 17:04:40 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 08 17:07:18 <XTL> m00
Aug 08 17:11:06 <Khertan_n810> bye
Aug 08 17:28:51 <RST38h> fucking shit...it's war.
Aug 08 17:30:20 <johnx> RST38h, eh?
Aug 08 17:35:20 <RST38h> johnx: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080808
Aug 08 17:36:02 <johnx> ah, here I was worried it was the US being incredibly stupid...
Aug 08 17:37:06 <RST38h> johnx: Well, the puppets are usually chosen to be more stupid than their master
Aug 08 17:37:49 <RST38h> Still, this is out of the ordinary
Aug 08 17:39:57 <johnx> wow...the whole situation sounds like a real clusterfuck
Aug 08 17:40:34 <RST38h> it is still somewhat reversible
Aug 08 17:41:30 <johnx> I really haven't been terribly impressed with what any governments have been up to these last 10 years or so...
Aug 08 17:41:54 <RST38h> at the very least, they could leave things as they were.
Aug 08 17:48:30 <RST38h> 1400 local corpses, 10 Russian peacekeepers, unannounced number of Georgians (there was video of their corpses on the streets though)
Aug 08 17:51:21 <johnx> gah...
Aug 08 17:51:38 <johnx> anyways, enough depressing things for now. I need to get some sleep
Aug 08 17:51:46 <johnx> I hope things work out...
Aug 08 18:09:47 <Sargun> What's the best way to get started developing with Maemo?
Aug 08 18:09:56 <RST38h> install Ubuntu
Aug 08 18:10:03 <RST38h> install Maemo SDK
Aug 08 18:10:07 <Sargun> I have the SDK
Aug 08 18:10:09 <RST38h> download a sample
Aug 08 18:10:16 <Sargun> I build hello world app for x86.
Aug 08 18:10:24 <Sargun> How do I run this thing?
Aug 08 18:10:29 <RST38h> build it for ARMEL, transfer to device, and test
Aug 08 18:10:36 <Sargun> DIABLO_X86
Aug 08 18:10:42 <Sargun> I assume there is a better way to test
Aug 08 18:10:52 <RST38h> The only reliable way to test is on the device
Aug 08 18:11:11 <nomis> Sargun: start xephyr, start hildon inside scratchbox, test program.
Aug 08 18:11:51 <Sargun> does xephyr ship with the SDK?
Aug 08 18:12:22 <lcuk> Sargun, if you have a device available, just compile for armel, copy binary over and run it
Aug 08 18:12:33 <lcuk> it can be automated with a script and ssh commands quite easily
Aug 08 18:12:49 <Sargun> I'd prefer to do development on this box, is there any way I can do that?
Aug 08 18:13:03 <nomis> Sargun: not sure at the moment, I think I have this package installed from debian.
Aug 08 18:13:13 <lcuk> yes, the xephyr way
Aug 08 18:13:30 <lcuk> but theres nothing better than touching your own code :)
Aug 08 18:13:33 <nomis> Sargun: but xephyr is the thing recommended in the maemo tutorials so it might be included in the sdk.
Aug 08 18:20:29 <Cptnodegard> does anyone in here know a lot about s60 v3? the people in #symbian are morons and as helpful as omweather if you live outside the us
Aug 08 18:21:21 <johnx> not to be an ass, but omweather works great outside the US...
Aug 08 18:21:33 <Cptnodegard> not here it doesnt :p
Aug 08 18:21:39 <johnx> where is here?
Aug 08 18:21:43 <Cptnodegard> norway
Aug 08 18:21:48 <johnx> it works in Japan
Aug 08 18:21:57 <Cptnodegard> there are about 10 locations covered in the entire country
Aug 08 18:22:02 <johnx> aaah
Aug 08 18:22:18 <johnx> I happen to live in the second biggest city in Japan :)
Aug 08 18:22:32 <Cptnodegard> you have to have a shitload of gadgets o.o
Aug 08 18:22:38 <johnx> ahaha
Aug 08 18:22:49 <johnx> haven't bought much recently...
Aug 08 18:23:07 <johnx> a couple SD cards and some cheap headphones... :P
Aug 08 18:23:14 <Cptnodegard> either way i use handy weather for my e51, its way more accurate even though it costs money. can add location by GPS and it extrapolates, even if the nearest preset location is only 15 km away
Aug 08 18:23:19 <Cptnodegard> lol
Aug 08 18:23:26 <Cptnodegard> i want one of those new fujitsu UMPCs
Aug 08 18:23:32 <Cptnodegard> u10203040 or wtf its called
Aug 08 18:23:48 <Cptnodegard> u2010
Aug 08 18:23:56 <Cptnodegard> 9 hours battery life
Aug 08 18:24:01 <johnx> the fujitsu u-can't-afford-it?
Aug 08 18:24:34 <johnx> it's funny, cause the hp mini-notebook is the one stores here can't keep in stock
Aug 08 18:26:47 <Cptnodegard> i want some smal pc but all they have here is crap
Aug 08 18:26:48 <Cptnodegard> or
Aug 08 18:26:55 <Cptnodegard> the hp p1620 pwns but its 4000 USD
Aug 08 18:27:13 <Cptnodegard> acer aspire one XP version isnt released until 2 weeks
Aug 08 18:27:19 <Cptnodegard> and i want a new toy now :(
Aug 08 18:29:03 <johnx> anyways, I really should sleep :)
Aug 08 18:29:19 <johnx> good luck with S60 (and finding a new toy)
Aug 08 18:34:02 <RST38h> Cptn: Toshiba R500
Aug 08 18:34:11 <RST38h> starting from $1500
Aug 08 18:35:32 <Cptnodegard> RST38h: if it only did that here, starting at 2200 :po
Aug 08 18:35:38 <Cptnodegard> goingu up to well over 4000
Aug 08 18:35:51 <RST38h> Cptn: Where is "here"?
Aug 08 18:36:00 <Cptnodegard> noway
Aug 08 18:36:07 <Cptnodegard> +r if you feel like it
Aug 08 18:36:11 <RST38h> Oh
Aug 08 18:36:21 <RST38h> How about ordering from US?
Aug 08 18:36:49 <Cptnodegard> taxes would still jump it up some
Aug 08 18:37:03 <RST38h> How about asking someone to bring it for you?
Aug 08 18:37:18 <Cptnodegard> 1500 is only a weeks pay or so, but with taxes and shit it would be 2000
Aug 08 18:37:32 <Cptnodegard> dont know anyone going this way
Aug 08 18:37:36 <Cptnodegard> also a lot of money
Aug 08 18:37:41 <RST38h> 2000 is still ok if you are going to use it for a few years
Aug 08 18:37:55 <Cptnodegard> acer aspire one with a bigger battery and XP would be nice once its released but i still prefert tablets
Aug 08 18:38:07 <RST38h> tablets generally weight more
Aug 08 18:38:12 <Cptnodegard> thats true but i already got a laptop and the n800
Aug 08 18:38:34 <RST38h> ah
Aug 08 18:39:11 <Cptnodegard> fact is i dont need any more gadgets, but i dropped my vacation to work so i want some new toy :p
Aug 08 18:39:58 <Cptnodegard> someone needs to invent some new gadget type noone can live without
Aug 08 18:40:55 <RST38h> Heart implant
Aug 08 18:40:57 <Cptnodegard> what annoys me about these f'ing "netbooks" is that they have crappy battery life. the n800 can easily do 6 hours of my usage and i have a usb battery backup which can tripple that
Aug 08 18:41:04 <RST38h> Sooner or later, nobody can live without it
Aug 08 18:41:23 <Cptnodegard> an XP aspire one here will be 640, and a bigger battery is 150
Aug 08 18:43:17 <Cptnodegard> someone should make a 7" n800 with an atom CPU and a bit more ram, otherwise the same
Aug 08 18:43:44 <RST38h> Atom CPU - no go
Aug 08 18:43:48 <lcuk> wont there be hundreds of atom clones, use arm
Aug 08 18:44:02 <Cptnodegard> well some kind of faster CPU
Aug 08 18:44:16 * RST38h is fine with the current N8x0 CPU
Aug 08 18:44:17 <Cptnodegard> lack of power for real xvid playback is the only thing i dont liek about nit's
Aug 08 18:44:23 <lcuk> the cpu is plenty fast enough - its the graphics which let this device slip
Aug 08 18:44:32 <Cptnodegard> ah
Aug 08 18:44:40 <RST38h> TV is showing Firefly tonight, nice treat =)
Aug 08 18:44:55 <Cptnodegard> well whatever makes it support xvid
Aug 08 18:44:57 <RST38h> lcuk: It is not CPU, it is not graphics.
Aug 08 18:45:01 <Cptnodegard> would pwn
Aug 08 18:45:15 <RST38h> lcuk: Actually weird how few people know what slows it down ;)
Aug 08 18:45:17 <lcuk> its having to render all that stuff manually, there is another 2 specialised ARM cores sitting idle
Aug 08 18:45:40 <RST38h> lcuk: It is the memory performance.
Aug 08 18:46:11 <Cptnodegard> what cpu are they using?
Aug 08 18:46:38 <RST38h> lcuk: Don't believe me - allocate 8MB of RAM and do 1024 random reads in a tight loop
Aug 08 18:46:44 <RST38h> See how long they will take
Aug 08 18:46:56 <lcuk> i do that
Aug 08 18:47:23 <RST38h> just don't read sequentially - sequential read performance is more or less ok
Aug 08 18:47:25 <lcuk> maybe not 8mb, but tight fast loops
Aug 08 18:47:34 <lcuk> and i jump because its bitmaps
Aug 08 18:47:37 <RST38h> You have to read from a large pool
Aug 08 18:47:44 <lcuk> do a strip, jump forward, read another strip
Aug 08 18:47:46 <RST38h> So that you exceed cache
Aug 08 18:47:58 <lcuk> like bitmapped image size
Aug 08 18:48:04 <RST38h> nah, reading in strips does not count
Aug 08 18:48:07 <lcuk> 4096*4096 scaling
Aug 08 18:48:14 <lcuk> down to arbitary size
Aug 08 18:48:44 <lcuk> RST38h, the memory is fine :) perhaps you are falling into the cpu freq hole.  sometimes a tight loop makes the cpu think its not busy so it slows down
Aug 08 18:48:50 <RST38h> 4096*4096 = 16 megapixels
Aug 08 18:48:54 <lcuk> try it again on performance and then te me
Aug 08 18:49:13 <RST38h> lcuk: reading stuff in strips is not random reads
Aug 08 18:50:12 <lcuk> but scaling the bitmap is certainly not sequential within buffer
Aug 08 18:50:58 <GAN800> Cptnodegard, OMAP2420
Aug 08 18:51:26 <RST38h> lcuk: it is sequential
Aug 08 18:51:35 <RST38h> lcuk: you write in strips, left to right
Aug 08 18:51:57 <lcuk> yes but picking far enough away to not be bufferable
Aug 08 18:52:25 <lcuk> by the way, this is the image http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/modis_wonderglobe_lrg.jpg
Aug 08 18:55:33 <Cptnodegard> ive seen that planet before...
Aug 08 18:55:40 <Cptnodegard> vulcan? kronos? cardassia?
Aug 08 18:55:46 <Cptnodegard> [/trekkie humour]
Aug 08 18:55:47 <RST38h> lcuk: SDRAM can do sequential (even uncacheable) reads relatively well
Aug 08 18:56:19 <lcuk> Cptnodegard, its epsilon III i believe
Aug 08 18:57:18 <Cptnodegard> oic
Aug 08 18:57:35 <lcuk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_III ;)
Aug 08 18:58:21 <lcuk> RST38h, so what, it has to slow down, find a place to do a u-turn and then carefully pull back out into traffic to go the other way?
Aug 08 18:58:37 <lcuk> its memory and the performance isnt that bad
Aug 08 18:59:03 <RST38h> lcuk: well, as you wish to think :)
Aug 08 18:59:20 <Cptnodegard> lcuk episilon is a ST planet too, form voyager
Aug 08 18:59:29 <RST38h> But in a real life, where you do not access memory in stripes, it is damn slow
Aug 08 19:00:18 <lcuk> i access random memory all the time - one letter is over here, the next is over there, the other is over there
Aug 08 19:00:29 <lcuk> each different malloc and i dunno where the char comes from
Aug 08 19:00:36 <lcuk> some have only a few bytes each
Aug 08 19:00:38 <lcuk> others have
Aug 08 19:00:40 <lcuk> lots
Aug 08 19:01:48 <Cptnodegard> so, no S60 experts in here?
Aug 08 19:01:54 <lcuk> i dont see it being slow apart from byte only is slower, and unaligned longs cost me about 1fps  but the direction of where i go isnt slow
Aug 08 19:02:03 <Cptnodegard> or if anyone know a way to get google calendar to ignore robots.txt
Aug 08 19:02:22 <lcuk> it shouldnt ignore robots
Aug 08 19:02:47 <Cptnodegard> yes it should, otherwise its uselss to me
Aug 08 19:02:50 <lcuk> why do you want google to scan a banned domain?  why not open up the areas for google to come in
Aug 08 19:02:59 <lcuk> ie use robots properly
Aug 08 19:04:30 <Cptnodegard> my school offers my schedule as .ics downloads, which i could sync with me E51 if i just got google calendar to read the ics file - which it cant because the morons put a robots.txt on the server
Aug 08 19:05:18 <lcuk> cant you push it with a script from your account to somewhere visible - ie post direct to the cal account or something?
Aug 08 19:05:57 <Cptnodegard> i dont know how to do that
Aug 08 19:06:50 <Cptnodegard> i got as far as modifying a php script to get me a recent ics file (the url is static with from and to dates) but thats as far as my skills go
Aug 08 19:08:13 <Cptnodegard> but i do know someone i can bug to help me >:D
Aug 08 19:08:36 <lcuk> why dont you ask your school techs?
Aug 08 19:08:52 <Cptnodegard> system admin didnt understand the question
Aug 08 19:08:54 <Cptnodegard> -.-
Aug 08 19:08:54 <lcuk> they will know about google calendar and stuff and might have a method
Aug 08 19:09:03 <lcuk> heh
Aug 08 19:09:19 <lcuk> have you got an 8 year old brother?
Aug 08 19:09:35 <Cptnodegard> asked if he could either remove robots or modify it to allow the timedit directory and he didnt understand the question
Aug 08 19:09:38 <Cptnodegard> lol
Aug 08 19:09:41 <Cptnodegard> yeah but hes stupid
Aug 08 19:10:15 <lcuk> heh so who does the tech support in your family
Aug 08 19:11:13 <Cptnodegard> peolpe i have on gtalk :p
Aug 08 19:11:26 <Cptnodegard> they normally do the technical part of my random ideas
Aug 08 19:11:38 <lcuk> http://highearthorbit.com/publish-ical-to-google-calendar/
Aug 08 19:12:37 <Cptnodegard> so far i have a webcomic to canol2 photofeed script thingy, a script that looks up phone numbers and gives me back a contacts file (for my cell) and a norwegian postal tracking to rss script
Aug 08 19:12:52 <Cptnodegard> all of them courtesy of peopl ei bug
Aug 08 19:13:40 <Cptnodegard> ohohohoh nice link
Aug 08 19:15:47 <Cptnodegard> lol wtf cnet crave are weird
Aug 08 20:30:41 <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
Aug 08 20:31:21 <alex-weej_> http://alex-weej.blogspot.com/2008/08/sucata-run-2008.html
Aug 08 20:40:10 <alex-weej_> before anyone else grills me for spam, sorry. "/amsg" works for all networks at once in X-Chat, CAUTION!
Aug 08 20:43:58 <bef0rd> orly
Aug 08 20:45:08 <RST38h> let us grill him for spam!
Aug 08 20:45:20 <mranostay_work> ew spam
Aug 08 20:45:23 <RST38h> and add some vegetables too
Aug 08 20:45:40 <RST38h> 'cause there is some meaningless crap written at that url
Aug 08 20:47:20 <bef0rd> and there were some of us that clicked the same link twice!
Aug 08 21:08:02 <Binky> Hi, useful trouble-solvers!
Aug 08 21:12:08 <Binky> Anyone heard about the Application Manager: Operation failed error?
Aug 08 21:12:17 <RST38h> yes
Aug 08 21:12:19 <bef0rd> nevar
Aug 08 21:12:46 <Binky> Ok
Aug 08 21:13:12 <Binky> Nevermind. I was trying a dpkg --configure -a
Aug 08 21:13:20 <Binky> But i got this http://pastebin.ca/1096138
Aug 08 21:13:59 <Binky> What the hell does it means?
Aug 08 21:14:55 <Binky> bef0rd, me siento mal, toda esta gente me resuelve los problemas y no les doy un duro -_-
Aug 08 21:16:08 <bef0rd> heh, are you sure that error message is complete? there seems to be something missing at the end
Aug 08 21:16:57 <Binky> I noticed it too, but it is complete
Aug 08 21:17:44 <Binky> Maybe it wants to say Version contains a space or a "'"
Aug 08 21:19:40 <Binky> Any i
Aug 08 21:19:44 <bef0rd> yea heh
Aug 08 21:19:55 <Binky> ...deas
Aug 08 21:19:55 <bef0rd> there seems to be a problem with a package
Aug 08 21:20:04 <bef0rd> with python2.5-runtime
Aug 08 21:20:09 <Binky> The python one
Aug 08 21:20:22 <bef0rd> where did you get it from? extras?
Aug 08 21:20:33 <Binky> I believe
Aug 08 21:20:49 <Binky> I think so lol
Aug 08 21:21:49 <Binky> Hmmm, i would uninstall it, but app manager does not work. Apt-get purge doesn't. Is there another way or command?
Aug 08 21:22:33 <bef0rd> # apt-get -f install
Aug 08 21:22:33 <bef0rd> ?
Aug 08 21:22:47 <Binky> Oh god, i feel idiot lol
Aug 08 21:23:16 <bef0rd> I mean, try that, dont know if it'll solve it
Aug 08 21:23:18 <Binky> same error given
Aug 08 21:23:22 <bef0rd> :P
Aug 08 21:24:32 <Binky> There Should be a way to uninstall it.... -F install would solve depends. But the problem is in the package, i believe...
Aug 08 21:25:15 <bef0rd> try apt-cache policy python2.5-runtime
Aug 08 21:25:21 <bef0rd> to see where does it come from
Aug 08 21:27:10 <Binky> It says nothing but the error -_-U
Aug 08 21:28:12 <Binky> Quote: this is what i did when i had that error and it saved me. When i looked at my status file, it had some corruption (non-ascii characters) in it.
Aug 08 21:28:26 <Binky> That means why it looked uncomplete
Aug 08 21:31:45 <Binky> Ooook. I must replace /var/lib/dpkg/status with  /var/lib/dpkg/status-old
Aug 08 21:32:00 <Binky> Which is a backup file
Aug 08 21:32:16 <Binky> How do i do it from xterm?
Aug 08 21:32:43 <bef0rd> got root?
Aug 08 21:32:54 <Binky> Yeah
Aug 08 21:32:57 <bef0rd> mv /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/lib/dpkg/status-corrupted
Aug 08 21:33:03 <bef0rd> mv /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status
Aug 08 21:33:25 <Binky> Is the first necessary?
Aug 08 21:33:38 <bef0rd> yes
Aug 08 21:33:48 <Binky> Because i'll b replacing it anyway
Aug 08 21:33:50 <Binky> Ok
Aug 08 21:33:53 <Binky> Thanks
Aug 08 21:34:08 <bef0rd> it won't 'replace' it if there is a file with the same name
Aug 08 21:34:28 <bef0rd> I would change the second one though
Aug 08 21:34:32 <bef0rd> cp /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status
Aug 08 21:34:44 <bef0rd> that will create a copy instead of only renaming it
Aug 08 21:36:34 <Binky> Oh, blooding hell. That didn't solve the problem.
Aug 08 21:36:44 * Binky cries
Aug 08 21:44:50 <Veggen> Does anyone have a jaiku invite for me? Is that how it works?
Aug 08 21:46:19 <bef0rd> yes.
Aug 08 21:46:37 <bef0rd> I read that there is a site that 'gives' jaiku invites
Aug 08 21:47:03 <Binky> Sorry, i do not have
Aug 08 21:47:17 <Binky> Do you want gmail invites? Lol
Aug 08 21:47:45 <Veggen> gmail I have :)
Aug 08 21:48:06 <pupnik> i need one Binky
Aug 08 21:48:45 <bef0rd> we need one of those "I'm Rich" apps
Aug 08 21:49:43 <Binky> pupnik, we could sell them
Aug 08 21:52:09 <bef0rd> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/08/1347212
Aug 08 22:01:53 <Binky> bef0rd, i can't remove the package
Aug 08 22:02:32 <bef0rd> :/
Aug 08 22:02:48 <bef0rd> can't you reflash? :P
Aug 08 22:03:39 <Binky> Is the last thing i would do lol
Aug 08 22:04:27 <bef0rd> let me see, there should be a way to fix it
Aug 08 22:06:10 <bef0rd> apt-get clean;apt-get autoclean;apt-get update
Aug 08 22:06:42 <Binky> Tried them all
Aug 08 22:07:28 <bef0rd> do you have nano installed?
Aug 08 22:08:10 <Binky> Ji
Aug 08 22:08:21 <bef0rd> ji?
Aug 08 22:08:44 <Binky> Sorry, i pushed enter instead of return
Aug 08 22:09:01 <Binky> Just removed it when i got the error
Aug 08 22:09:40 <Binky> I can open in another text editor
Aug 08 22:11:13 <Binky> lol, ji ^^
Aug 08 22:11:48 <bef0rd> I thought it was 'ji editor' or something
Aug 08 22:11:49 <bef0rd> :P
Aug 08 22:12:03 <Binky> Lol
Aug 08 22:12:15 <Binky> What file should i edit then?
Aug 08 22:12:16 <bef0rd> copy status file to your external mmc
Aug 08 22:12:27 <bef0rd> open it on your pc
Aug 08 22:13:50 <bef0rd> and check near line 7370
Aug 08 22:14:28 <Binky> O_o
Aug 08 22:14:38 <Binky> I have my pc broken
Aug 08 22:14:45 <Binky> Maybe i have vim
Aug 08 22:16:08 <bef0rd> I can't fix that
Aug 08 22:16:12 <Binky> Ooooooh. I'll have to scroll tooooo much
Aug 08 22:16:29 <bef0rd> there's a shortcut to go to an specific line number
Aug 08 22:17:30 <bef0rd> If you want to go to the nth line, type the number n followed by G. For example, 150G takes you to the 150th line. If you don't have as many as 150 lines, you won't be punished -- the cursor just jump to the last line.
Aug 08 22:20:15 <Binky> 'G' is not implemented -_-U
Aug 08 22:23:05 <Binky> Ok, i'm there
Aug 08 22:27:32 <Binky> http://pastebin.ca/1096217
Aug 08 22:27:34 <t_s_o> ugh, seems like having swap on the internal N800 card while plugging the tablet into my desktop pc triggers some kind of bug in the linux ehci driver
Aug 08 22:28:05 <Binky> t_s_o, ehci?
Aug 08 22:28:17 <t_s_o> usb 2.0 speeds iirc
Aug 08 22:29:20 <t_s_o> that is on my desktop end btw, but i cant trigger it with anything but my tablet
Aug 08 22:29:35 <t_s_o> and with swap off, i cant trigger it at all...
Aug 08 22:29:52 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Aug 08 22:30:10 <Binky> Sorry, i'm spanish and don't know what trigger means
Aug 08 22:30:57 <Binky> I head it in KISS' Love Gun "you pull out the trigger of myyyy.... Love gun!"
Aug 08 22:31:04 <Binky> Oh, and in s
Aug 08 22:31:06 <GeneralAntilles> Since https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252 is WONTFIX, I'm ready to disallow anonymous edits over http.
Aug 08 22:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody object?
Aug 08 22:32:16 <Binky> GeneralAntilles, what if someone provides a solution? Won't be able to put it in the wiki
Aug 08 22:32:25 <Binky> Or is it unfixable?
Aug 08 22:32:39 <GeneralAntilles> It's the server setup.
Aug 08 22:32:44 <GeneralAntilles> It COULD be fixed.
Aug 08 22:32:51 <GeneralAntilles> But probably more effort than it's worth
Aug 08 22:33:04 <GeneralAntilles> and it's not going to be fixed anytime soon, anyway.
Aug 08 22:33:41 <Binky> Do what you think is right anyway
Aug 08 22:34:33 <t_s_o> bingo, add swap to the internal card, plug usb cable in, try to mount internal card and boom errors all over the place on my desktop end...
Aug 08 22:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> I need some sort of consensus
Aug 08 22:34:50 <Binky> Lol
Aug 08 22:34:57 <GeneralAntilles> There wasn't one the last time it came up.
Aug 08 23:31:15 <rm_you> johnx: O_o
Aug 08 23:33:52 <bef0rd> ;___;
Aug 09 01:36:15 <pupnik> the state is never innocent
Aug 09 01:53:58 <Toba> true
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