**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 11 02:59:57 2008
Aug 11 03:05:19 <spcui> how to upgrade busybox from 1.6.1 to 1.11.1 on N810?
Aug 11 03:05:47 <GeneralAntilles> goodluckwiththat
Aug 11 03:10:26 <egypt> alright, howabout subversion?
Aug 11 03:11:29 <egypt> searching for "maemo subversion" just gets a lot of repositories that use subversion rather than a package for subversion itself
Aug 11 03:21:04 <GeneralAntilles> egypt, it should be in Extras. . . .
Aug 11 03:21:43 <egypt> hm. i'll look again
Aug 11 03:32:06 <egypt> nope, don't have it.  oddly, the regular maemo repository "failed to refresh" with a 404 on /dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz
Aug 11 03:32:11 <egypt> maybe that's related
Aug 11 03:47:33 <Capn_Fish> Does anybody know where to get the source for the Xomap X server?
Aug 11 03:52:44 <spcui> http://repository.maemo.org  maybe there are the sources that you want
Aug 11 03:53:09 <Capn_Fish> There are only old sources there
Aug 11 03:53:20 <Capn_Fish> gits from 2007
Aug 11 03:58:45 <spcui> >	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo
Aug 11 03:59:08 <spcui> OS2008 diablo
Aug 11 03:59:37 <Capn_Fish> Still only old gits from 2007. I'm thinking it may be in the main Xorg source now...
Aug 11 04:00:00 <spcui> oh
Aug 11 04:02:03 <Capn_Fish> Although it appears that's when Xorg 7.3 was released (about)
Aug 11 04:02:29 <Capn_Fish> Running a stable release would be nice... I'll play around with the Xorg sources. Thanks
Aug 11 04:04:51 <pupnik> what is an opengl-aware widget / ui / wm that runs on top of X
Aug 11 04:04:59 <pupnik> +set
Aug 11 04:05:23 <pupnik> i guess we need all the indirect rendering related kinks worked out
Aug 11 04:06:16 <pupnik> but for example
Aug 11 04:06:48 <pupnik> nah dumb example
Aug 11 04:11:43 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 11 04:24:47 <pupnik> moo RST38h
Aug 11 04:30:06 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, Clutter
Aug 11 04:34:47 <pupnik> any other keywords GeneralAntilles ?
Aug 11 04:35:19 <GeneralAntilles> http://clutter-project.org/
Aug 11 05:30:56 <GeneralAntilles> To find the maemo.org bugmasters, just look for the people with too many underscores. :P
Aug 11 05:31:09 <GeneralAntilles> guenther_, any progress on the templates for the Garage migration?
Aug 11 05:46:19 <pupnik> thanks GeneralAntilles
Aug 11 05:48:22 <RST38h> JetBlue spokesman explains why they are charging passengers for pillows =)
Aug 11 05:49:38 <RST38h> To believe him, it is a win win situation both for the airline and for passengers who buy pillows at a huge discount
Aug 11 06:13:47 <jahor> hello, my n810 suffer from random reboots. i was directed to the common problem with reformat sollution. but it does not help. yesterday i tried to use dualboot from sd card and after a while it reebooted again. i had suspect it is the abnormaly defective internal flash, but now when it reboots with removable sd card .... could it be something well known or is it the reason for warranty claim ? anybody any hint please ?
Aug 11 06:14:28 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like a hardware problem
Aug 11 06:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> Just RMA it.
Aug 11 06:21:05 <jahor> GeneralAntilles: that could be the biggest problem... nokia does not sell n810 here in czech rep. so i have it imported by some friend of my friend from us ;(
Aug 11 06:22:21 <jahor> what i thing about.. to be sure what's the probelm... installing some sort of sylog and logging to the external card or over network
Aug 11 06:36:41 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Aug 11 06:37:11 <Khertan_n810> somehave already play with alarmd in python ?
Aug 11 06:38:33 <Khertan_n810> it seems that add_alarm does nt support utf text : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 19: ordinal not in range(128)
Aug 11 07:01:19 <Khertan_n810> somehave already play with alarmd in python ?
Aug 11 07:01:20 <Khertan_n810> it seems that add_alarm does nt support utf text : UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 19: ordinal not in range(128)
Aug 11 07:37:49 <aquatix> morning
Aug 11 07:52:48 <liri> morning aquatix
Aug 11 07:53:12 <liri> I'm browsing through maemo's garage to find a decent rss reader which can parse the websites I give it
Aug 11 07:53:36 <aquatix> you don't like the default one?
Aug 11 07:53:50 <liri> aquatix: I like it
Aug 11 07:55:17 <liri> aquatix: for some reason it refuses to add the rss feeds I give it
Aug 11 07:55:33 <qwerty12> Off the top of my head, there's liferea available and another one called Nibbles
Aug 11 07:55:33 <Blastur> anyone know if Huawei E220 3G modem will work for a N810?
Aug 11 07:56:17 <aquatix> liri: can you give an example?
Aug 11 07:57:10 <liri> aquatix: yep
Aug 11 07:57:38 * aquatix is happy; wifi access at work on his tablet \o/
Aug 11 07:57:57 <liri> aquatix: leet :)
Aug 11 07:58:11 <liri> aquatix: I was even happier when I found out the tablet supported WPA :)
Aug 11 07:58:17 <aquatix> heheh
Aug 11 07:58:19 <qwerty12> Anyone know where dannym's 3g modem garage project can be found?
Aug 11 07:58:25 <XTLi> :)
Aug 11 07:58:27 <aquatix> thankfully, yes, otherwise i wouldn't be able to do wifi here
Aug 11 07:58:30 <liri> aquatix: anyway, here are 2 examples I tried: http://www.ynet.co.il/Integration/StoryRss2.xml and http://www.haaretz.com/feed/enewsRss.xml
Aug 11 08:06:22 <fluentis> moin@all... can somebody tell me more about the gps system of the n810... i'm talking about the beta of a-gps support utility... how does it work?
Aug 11 08:08:38 <GAN800> fluentis, Nokia's beta labs site explains. . . .
Aug 11 08:09:18 <harriv> fluentis: This is not first hand knowledge, but I understood that you tell your rough place to it, and then it goes to net and get's all the expected positions of satellites
Aug 11 08:09:32 <harriv> GAN800: url?
Aug 11 08:09:38 <GAN800> Google
Aug 11 08:09:42 <harriv> :)
Aug 11 08:09:46 <fluentis> GAN800, i've read it already, but the problem i have isn't explaine there - sowetimes it's workin, sometimes not
Aug 11 08:10:15 <GAN800> fluentis, hit the bugzilla bug
Aug 11 08:10:16 <fluentis> harriv, http://betalabs.nokia.com/blog/2008/06/30/a-gps-beta-for-n810/
Aug 11 08:10:28 <liri> aquatix: any news on those rss resources?
Aug 11 08:10:38 <harriv> yeah, that doens't really tell _how_ it works
Aug 11 08:11:02 <fluentis> GAN800, doesn't mean it's a bug, could be a feature
Aug 11 08:11:35 <GAN800> fluentis, there's a bugzilla bug that talks about a lot of this stuff. . . .
Aug 11 08:11:53 <fluentis> GAN800, about the daemon?
Aug 11 08:11:58 <fluentis> GAN800, already read
Aug 11 08:12:10 <fluentis> GAN800, not talkin about it
Aug 11 08:12:49 <GAN800> There are other location framework bugs to look at, too.
Aug 11 08:13:15 <GAN800> Eric Warnke's bugs are a good start
Aug 11 08:13:22 <fluentis> harriv, GAN800, it's a bit strange: you have the possibility to let a-gps connect to network via gprs/umts (packet) so the question i have is, how nessesary it is.
Aug 11 08:15:04 <fluentis> harriv, GAN800, because it's workin without a network connection too - just not every time... to explayn: i've updated the base of sattelites via gprs, than turned off the packet loading possibility... still works... resetet the device - still no problem, about 20-30 sec. to get a lock. but than, during the day, again "searching"...
Aug 11 08:15:29 <Blastur> i have never ever been able to get a fix with the N810 gps
Aug 11 08:15:40 <fluentis> harriv, GAN800, so wanted to ask, where in the hell it's storing the informations maybe... to watch for them...
Aug 11 08:15:56 <Blastur> at one time, i was close .. like 70% fix
Aug 11 08:16:06 <Blastur> when i bought a bluetooth gps, i got fix in about 30 seconds
Aug 11 08:16:09 <harriv> fluentis: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878#c3
Aug 11 08:17:44 <fluentis> harriv, gps_last_saved_report should it be... thx
Aug 11 08:24:37 <GAN800> ohgod, the server move on the 13th wouldn't happen to be the upgrade, would it? :D
Aug 11 08:26:30 <guenther_> GAN800: Sorry, not much progress yet. I plan to tend to that code soon-ish.
Aug 11 08:26:33 <rm_you> :P server upgrade?! :P
Aug 11 08:26:44 * rm_you can't wait to be done with moving
Aug 11 08:26:46 * guenther_ seriously needs a coffee
Aug 11 08:27:04 <GAN800> X-Fade, I know you're there somewhere. No more hiding. :P
Aug 11 08:27:11 <guenther_> Wasn't that announced to be physical location change only?
Aug 11 08:27:14 <GAN800> guenther_, ok
Aug 11 08:27:19 <rm_you> X-Fade is really good at disappearing when we need him :P
Aug 11 08:27:20 <X-Fade> GAN800: ssssssssshh..
Aug 11 08:28:02 <X-Fade> GAN800: I just can get more things done when ignoring IRC for a while ;)
Aug 11 08:28:04 <GAN800> Time to work on a branding unification and changeover for the site with the new logo, no?
Aug 11 08:28:57 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 11 08:29:03 <rm_you> I used to get a lot of work done
Aug 11 08:29:07 <rm_you> then i started talking on here
Aug 11 08:29:11 <rm_you> I havent coded in a week <_<
Aug 11 08:29:20 <GAN800> You want me to run through and give you a url + changes list?
Aug 11 08:29:21 <rm_you> rather, that would have been... a week ago
Aug 11 08:29:37 <rm_you> NOW it's more like, i keep packing/moving so much that i cant sit and even get on irc reliably >_<
Aug 11 08:29:57 <X-Fade> GAN800: Was that for me? Sure.
Aug 11 08:30:24 <aquatix> liri: sorry, was away for a moment
Aug 11 08:30:26 <aquatix> trying now
Aug 11 08:31:18 <GAN800> X-Fade, I've also got to put together a list of minor typo changes.
Aug 11 08:31:47 <X-Fade> GAN800: I hope I can work on it before my holiday internet blackout  ;)
Aug 11 08:32:01 <GAN800> I was thinking I might run through them with you live, but I'm about to sleep. :P
Aug 11 08:32:16 <GAN800> You and Quim . . . not gonna be a fun month.
Aug 11 08:32:41 <aquatix> liri: i get a parse error on the first one too; maybe it stumbles on the hebrew characters in it?
Aug 11 08:32:44 <aquatix> not sure
Aug 11 08:32:51 <aquatix> liri: tried liferea yet?
Aug 11 08:32:57 <X-Fade> GAN800: Well, at least we can start fresh before the summit ;)
Aug 11 08:33:05 <GAN800> Hehe
Aug 11 08:33:52 <GAN800> I was pondering over an optimized site organization the other day. You wouldn't happen to have some sort of site map handy?
Aug 11 08:33:57 <X-Fade> About the server situation. The ISP will move all existing servers on the 13th, this has nothing to do with the new servers/upgrades.
Aug 11 08:34:19 <GAN800> Damn!
Aug 11 08:34:32 <X-Fade> GAN800: Oh, but the new servers are there ;)
Aug 11 08:35:05 <X-Fade> GAN800: They will be setup starting next Monday.
Aug 11 08:35:11 <GAN800> plug them in, turn them on! :P
Aug 11 08:35:30 <X-Fade> GAN800: I'm not sure how long it will take. And I will not be there to see it in action :(
Aug 11 08:36:16 * GAN800 couldn't manage an internet black-out.
Aug 11 08:36:19 <X-Fade> No sitemap available, I think. Let me check.
Aug 11 08:36:46 <X-Fade> GAN800: Well that is worst case. I probably have some.
Aug 11 08:37:11 <GAN800> I need to figure out OmniGraffle anyway, and making a map of the current setup will be good for that.
Aug 11 08:37:57 <X-Fade> GAN800: It all depends on how deep into the tree you want to go..
Aug 11 08:38:00 <guenther_> GAN800: You're abusing unrelated bugs, dude. ;)
Aug 11 08:38:36 <GAN800> X-Fade, not too deep
Aug 11 08:38:44 <GAN800> guenther_, hrm?
Aug 11 08:38:49 <guenther_> Poking about garage in a bug clearly labeled Component Bugzilla, just to get the new logo on garage... tststs. ;)
Aug 11 08:39:04 <GAN800> Oh?
Aug 11 08:39:20 <guenther_> bug 3531
Aug 11 08:39:29 <GAN800> meh, the summary didn't specify bugzilla and the wiki was mentioned there. . .
Aug 11 08:39:30 <guenther_> It worked though, apparently. :)
Aug 11 08:39:39 * guenther_ nods
Aug 11 08:39:49 <guenther_> The summary is kind of... sparse.
Aug 11 08:40:10 * GAN800 tends not to pay overly much attention to component/product
Aug 11 08:40:49 <aquatix> liri: btw, it might be the feed's fault: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ynet.co.il%2FIntegration%2FStoryRss2.xml
Aug 11 08:40:56 <aquatix> ``This feed is valid, but interoperability with the widest range of feed readers could be improved by implementing the following recommendations.''
Aug 11 08:41:06 <GAN800> X-Fade, I mostly want to figure out the mess that is devlopment and community
Aug 11 08:41:07 <aquatix> it reports the wrong encoding etc
Aug 11 08:41:11 <guenther_> GAN800: Anyway, it did do the job. :)
Aug 11 08:41:18 <liri> aquatix: yeah I figured it's probably having a hard time to parse it or the language encoding format is doing the problems
Aug 11 08:41:26 <liri> aquatix: I'll try it tonight :)
Aug 11 08:41:44 <aquatix> kk :)
Aug 11 08:41:52 * guenther_ creeps off to put on a put of coffee
Aug 11 08:42:14 <GAN800> I'm also inclined to think that bugzilla, wiki, and garage links belong in the main navbar
Aug 11 08:45:42 <liri> aquatix: I just installed liferea on my ubuntu 8.04 desktop and the first ynet.co.il rss feed works ok
Aug 11 08:45:56 <liri> aquatix: I'm hoping the n810 version is pretty much the same and hoping it would work on it too
Aug 11 08:46:11 <aquatix> i think that's likely indeed
Aug 11 08:46:13 <aquatix> would be nice
Aug 11 08:46:22 <aquatix> does your n810 have support for those chars?
Aug 11 08:46:57 <liri> yep I installed Hebrew fonts and I'm able to read websites with the browser just fine
Aug 11 08:47:33 <aquatix> kk
Aug 11 08:56:59 <RST38h> GAN: While you are at it, notice that there is currently no direct way to view user profile form maemo.org main page
Aug 11 08:57:17 <RST38h> GAN: Clicking on one's own user name goes directly into editing profile
Aug 11 08:57:44 <RST38h> Also, there is no clear way to look at other people's profiles
Aug 11 08:58:36 <GAN800> bergie's been working on the profile stuff
Aug 11 08:58:43 <GAN800> More is on the way.
Aug 11 08:59:47 <X-Fade> Yes, I have talked to him about that. (While having some beers ;)
Aug 11 09:01:43 <X-Fade> Ugh.. Somehow this doesn't look right: http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/fennec-m6/
Aug 11 09:01:47 <qwerty12> lardman|gone: you'll like this one ( I think :P), bluez (4.1-0maemo1) unstable; urgency=low - Avoid memory copies in A2DP write routine for ALSA.
Aug 11 09:02:51 <GAN800> Still unstable as hell
Aug 11 09:02:58 <GAN800> and slow as all get out
Aug 11 09:03:29 * GAN800 wants Fremantle MicroB.
Aug 11 09:03:43 <X-Fade> And only 50% of the screen available for the actual website ;)
Aug 11 09:04:02 <GAN800> Fullscreen works
Aug 11 09:04:22 <GAN800> Tab bar show/hides
Aug 11 09:04:22 <X-Fade> I know, but that screenshot just looks....cluttered.
Aug 11 09:05:12 <GAN800> I just wish MicroB had tabs. :(
Aug 11 09:05:21 * qwerty12 will be happy to use it when they fix the speed on it. At least I will have a reason for disabling browserd then.
Aug 11 09:07:55 <Kegetys> that ui looks pretty bad, too much space wasted for "pretty" icons etc.
Aug 11 09:08:31 <XTLi> Ewww
Aug 11 09:13:57 <GAN800> Eero isn't being very useful in that browser focus bug. :/
Aug 11 09:14:27 <GAN800> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2430
Aug 11 09:16:28 <florian_> good morning
Aug 11 09:17:58 <Binky> Good Morning, florian...!
Aug 11 09:19:27 <Binky> Anyone tried the new Pyano?
Aug 11 09:20:20 <qwerty12> Yes! My router isn't shit at all it seems, I've patched openssh for maemo and now ssh connections to my N800 work :)
Aug 11 09:21:24 <GAN800> Mine works fine without patching. :P
Aug 11 09:21:40 <macoute> mine too
Aug 11 09:21:46 <macoute> Binky: i was supposed to today
Aug 11 09:22:12 <qwerty12> Correction. My router is shit :D
Aug 11 09:22:14 <qwerty12> "OpenSSH sets the IP TOS (to either "lowdelay" or "throughput") and some some routers have been known to choke on such packets."
Aug 11 09:23:06 <Binky> macoute, I broke again my tablet installing it...
Aug 11 09:23:30 <Binky> All the ways to install apps fail
Aug 11 09:23:32 <aspect> Binky: I hadn't heard of that before, but keen to try it
Aug 11 09:23:49 <aspect> .... broke on install? eep! how?
Aug 11 09:24:00 <Binky> And all the ways to solve them, of couse U-_-
Aug 11 09:24:17 <Binky> Well, it installed only half of it
Aug 11 09:24:33 <aquatix> GAN800: why do you need tabs in microb? i'm fine with it having windows
Aug 11 09:24:52 <aquatix> Fennec looks unusable :/
Aug 11 09:25:11 <Binky> It stopped and now app manager says my only installed app is a broken install of pyano
Aug 11 09:25:41 <XTLi> Binky: have you tried apt from shell?
Aug 11 09:25:49 <qwerty12> You are using Os2006. I'd be more inclined to blame it on that.
Aug 11 09:26:01 <Binky> dpkg --configure -a and apt-get -f install fail
Aug 11 09:26:26 <Binky> qwerty12, is that to me? Lol
Aug 11 09:27:00 <GAN800> aquatix, windows are too many damn clicks.
Aug 11 09:27:09 <Binky> Sometimes it says i dot have enough free space on /var/lib/dpkg/archives...
Aug 11 09:27:26 <Binky> XTLi, i did
Aug 11 09:27:54 <aquatix> GAN800: only two; or a button click and tap
Aug 11 09:28:02 <Binky> aquatix, is fennec already ported to maemo? Where can i download it?
Aug 11 09:28:11 <aquatix> http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2008/08/fennec-m6/
Aug 11 09:28:37 <aquatix> Binky: not sure whether you want it, seeing that screenshot :)
Aug 11 09:28:38 <GAN800> aquatix, two is too many
Aug 11 09:28:47 <GAN800> and it's damn cumbersome
Aug 11 09:29:04 <aquatix> GAN800: use a keyboard ;)
Aug 11 09:29:09 <XTLi> Out of disk space can be pretty lethal to package db's
Aug 11 09:29:12 <GAN800> and MicroB's million and one focus bugs make it damn near impossible.
Aug 11 09:29:16 <aquatix> tabs only take screen space
Aug 11 09:29:26 <XTLi> I don't remember how well deb copes
Aug 11 09:29:27 <GAN800> I'm willing to scarifice some
Aug 11 09:29:49 * aquatix generally even browses fullscreen
Aug 11 09:29:56 <GAN800> You don't need to use tabs if you don't want to, but I do.
Aug 11 09:30:55 <Kegetys> I would like some quick pop-up bar that would contain tabs and common browse operations that would appear when you click, for example, a small icon at the corner of the screen
Aug 11 09:31:36 <Kegetys> or tap :)
Aug 11 09:32:52 <X-Fade> GNUton: Hi. How's aKademy for you ;)
Aug 11 09:33:05 <GAN800> Anyway, night all.
Aug 11 09:33:13 <guenther> night General
Aug 11 09:33:15 <X-Fade> Night, GAN800
Aug 11 09:33:51 <GAN800> X-Fade, I'll send a list your way via email as soon as I put it together.
Aug 11 09:34:00 <X-Fade> GAN800: Sure, no problem.
Aug 11 09:34:37 <GNUton> Hi
Aug 11 09:34:44 <GNUton> X-Fade: Hey mate!
Aug 11 09:35:23 <X-Fade> GNUton: I was just answering your mail ;)
Aug 11 09:35:54 <aquatix> Kegetys: well, a pop-up menu with `tabs' can be summoned with the window hardware button :)
Aug 11 09:36:34 <Kegetys> aquatix: but there's no browser controls there
Aug 11 09:36:54 <aquatix> true
Aug 11 09:37:21 <aquatix> maybe a show/hide button for the navbar with a tab overview?
Aug 11 09:37:31 * aquatix is thinking about good UI
Aug 11 09:37:58 <XTLi> It's a browser. There's no good ui in a browser
Aug 11 09:38:00 <Kegetys> something like that, it could automatically go away after you click something though
Aug 11 09:39:15 <aquatix> yeah
Aug 11 09:39:18 <aquatix> time for lunch
Aug 11 09:43:50 <GNUton> X-Fade: I read your email... Excellent! :)
Aug 11 09:44:17 <GNUton> X-Fade: the Php script is okay!
Aug 11 09:44:42 <GNUton> X-Fade: Thank you a lot!
Aug 11 09:44:49 <X-Fade> GNUton: Do you expect to upload another orig file?
Aug 11 09:44:56 <X-Fade> GNUton: Or will that one stay the same.
Aug 11 09:47:15 <konttori> Morning!
Aug 11 09:47:42 <GNUton> X-Fade: I'm going to use the new 4.4.1 orig file.. but not now. I'm going to wait that you come back from your holidays
Aug 11 09:48:04 <X-Fade> GNUton: Ok, I will send you the url by mail.
Aug 11 09:48:24 <GNUton> X-Fade: Ok :)
Aug 11 09:49:09 <konttori> Has everyone already updated?
Aug 11 09:49:13 <konttori> :)
Aug 11 09:49:27 <X-Fade> konttori: Heh, you have inside knowledge ;)
Aug 11 09:49:38 <konttori> (open appman, updater, refresh)
Aug 11 09:49:52 <konttori> Or wait ~ 12h
Aug 11 09:49:57 <konttori> your choice
Aug 11 09:49:59 <_marcell_> and let's see how the caching nw handles the load... :)
Aug 11 09:50:16 <konttori> Yeah. I'm particulary interested in seeing that
Aug 11 09:50:34 <XTLi> :)
Aug 11 09:50:36 <konttori> I hope we get the statistics on how the servers handle the load.
Aug 11 09:50:52 <X-Fade> *installing*
Aug 11 09:51:09 <X-Fade> Lol, out of disk space ;)
Aug 11 09:51:13 <konttori> LOL!
Aug 11 09:51:27 <konttori> Well, you should be able to free some and continue
Aug 11 09:51:44 <X-Fade> uninstalling Fennec ;)
Aug 11 09:52:17 <konttori> Maybe removing any images from the mydocs/images and videos from mydocs/videos will be enough
Aug 11 09:52:44 <X-Fade> konttori: Those are long gone...
Aug 11 09:53:05 <konttori> My default action as well :)
Aug 11 09:54:58 <X-Fade> Download was speed was acceptable.
Aug 11 09:55:04 <X-Fade> -was
Aug 11 09:55:27 <zap> new diablo upgrade?
Aug 11 09:55:39 <X-Fade> yep. SSU.
Aug 11 09:55:41 <lardman> hopefully to the browser ;)
Aug 11 09:55:47 <qwerty12> ^
Aug 11 09:55:50 <nomis> "SSU"?
Aug 11 09:56:02 <nomis> "serious software update"?
Aug 11 09:56:14 <macoute> Seamless
Aug 11 09:56:19 <nomis> ah.
Aug 11 09:56:50 <X-Fade> konttori: Changelog available? :)
Aug 11 09:56:52 <nomis> argh, forgot my 810 at home.
Aug 11 09:57:46 <qwerty12> nomis: you should keep x11vnc running on it :P
Aug 11 09:58:12 <nomis> heh
Aug 11 09:58:25 <X-Fade> Version: 4.2008.30-2
Aug 11 09:59:02 <X-Fade> GNUton: You have mail.
Aug 11 10:00:43 <konttori> Did you guys notice that it did contain the update description.
Aug 11 10:00:57 <konttori> Basically it said that it has browser and email fixes
Aug 11 10:01:08 <macoute> in which file? im updating right now
Aug 11 10:01:09 <konttori> there are others, but the main fixes are to the browser and emai.
Aug 11 10:01:09 <GAN800> Not for -unlocked
Aug 11 10:01:20 <konttori> Yeah. Unlocked doesn't have the description
Aug 11 10:01:29 <X-Fade> GAN800: You were sleeping ;)
Aug 11 10:01:29 <GAN800> It should. :P
Aug 11 10:01:34 <GAN800> Was
Aug 11 10:01:37 <GAN800> failed
Aug 11 10:01:42 <qwerty12> Here, I'll go into catalogue and read  the Packages file ;)
Aug 11 10:01:44 <qwerty12> Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Updates to Email and Browser stability
Aug 11 10:01:45 <GNUton> X-Fade: ok
Aug 11 10:01:51 <lardman> I don't seem to have any updates at all, it's still sitting there saying "Updating"
Aug 11 10:02:43 <konttori> you need to click on the refresh button to see the updates (or if you have removed the osso-software-version package, then you are out of luck - and you need to install it with apt-get)
Aug 11 10:02:57 <konttori> (or you can do apt-get upgrade)
Aug 11 10:03:20 <lardman> weird, Internal error. Application 'E-mail' closed. I've never run it
Aug 11 10:03:33 <qwerty12> lardman: modest likes to run in the background :/
Aug 11 10:03:42 <lardman> qwerty12: oh
Aug 11 10:03:49 <lardman> qwerty12: reboot time I think
Aug 11 10:04:02 <konttori> modest is actually pretty nice to use with the email alerting.
Aug 11 10:04:13 <qwerty12> heh. I pressed the big update button and my tablet is updating now :/
Aug 11 10:04:18 <lardman> I couldn't get it to work with my Uni email
Aug 11 10:04:20 <konttori> I've started reading most of my gmail emails from it these days
Aug 11 10:04:30 <GAN800> Seems like bootmenu might be getting wiped.
Aug 11 10:04:38 <rm_you> lardman: yeah i just got it working with my uni's email about a week ago
Aug 11 10:04:49 <rm_you> GAN800: ick, that would be annoying :/
Aug 11 10:04:49 * qwerty12 keeps a backup of the initfs jffs2 image on my computer
Aug 11 10:04:55 <rm_you> remind me not to update tomorrow
Aug 11 10:05:04 <qwerty12> I aint gonna lose my initfs mods ;)
Aug 11 10:05:05 <rm_you> i'll wait till after i am done moving
Aug 11 10:05:15 <lardman> rm_you: I think mine has some weird root path it uses, and iirc there's no way to set that; at least I assume that's the problem
Aug 11 10:05:37 <rm_you> <_<
Aug 11 10:05:37 <konttori> Well, you can probably update everything on the cli and not do the initfs update
Aug 11 10:05:43 <qwerty12> lardman: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/m/modest/ - get to it :P
Aug 11 10:06:06 <lardman> qwerty12: Isn't that the default client?
Aug 11 10:06:18 <qwerty12> lardman: source packages :)
Aug 11 10:06:24 <lardman> qwerty12: ah yes
Aug 11 10:06:39 <XTLi> I just wish there were changelogs
Aug 11 10:06:42 <lardman> qwerty12: not that bothered atm, other things to do, like debugging East London Drum & Bass ;)
Aug 11 10:06:48 <Kegetys> crap, out of free space... anyone tried if it is safe to remove all unused locales from /usr/share/locale?
Aug 11 10:07:04 <rm_you> lardman: and getting datamatrix support working :P
Aug 11 10:07:09 <rm_you> or did I miss that? :P
Aug 11 10:07:10 <qwerty12> lardman: drum and bass? bruv, u mad? it's all about grime :P
Aug 11 10:07:13 <lardman> rm_you: that is soooo slow
Aug 11 10:07:16 <rm_you> lol
Aug 11 10:07:21 <rm_you> did you get it reading tho?
Aug 11 10:07:25 <lardman> rm_you: we'll have to do something to make it faster
Aug 11 10:07:31 <rm_you> i realize it is kinda... suxxor slow
Aug 11 10:07:34 <rm_you> but does it WORK
Aug 11 10:07:43 <lardman> rm_you: no, the lag was so great I could never get it lined up properly; only had a quick go though
Aug 11 10:07:50 <rm_you> when i left it, it was segfaulting
Aug 11 10:07:55 <XTLi> localepurge <3
Aug 11 10:07:59 <rm_you> so if it isn't segfaulting anymore, it works :P
Aug 11 10:08:12 <lardman> rm_you: it worked last week anyway iirc
Aug 11 10:08:21 <rm_you> need to only attempt a parse every certain number of frames
Aug 11 10:08:35 <rm_you> or else, require a button press
Aug 11 10:08:40 <rm_you> like a real camera
Aug 11 10:08:47 <rm_you> aim, shoot
Aug 11 10:08:49 <lardman> rm_you: perhaps run it in a thread too, so it doesn't kill the rest of the app
Aug 11 10:08:54 <rm_you> lol yeah
Aug 11 10:09:12 <rm_you> when i get my stuff all set up next week i will try
Aug 11 10:09:18 <rm_you> i srsly want datamatrix to work
Aug 11 10:09:49 <lardman> yeah me too
Aug 11 10:10:30 <rm_you> we had BETTER be exchanging secret messages with dtmx stickers by the time we go to the summit :P
Aug 11 10:11:05 <lardman> lol yeah, I thought of getting a T-shirt printed with one
Aug 11 10:11:09 <lardman> as well as a Maemo logo
Aug 11 10:11:11 <rm_you> hehe
Aug 11 10:11:15 <rm_you> yeah...
Aug 11 10:11:23 <rm_you> so are we supposed to obtain our own Maemo tshirts?
Aug 11 10:11:33 <rm_you> like, the ones quim mentioned with the non-winning logos
Aug 11 10:11:43 <rm_you> I can do it, just need to know :P
Aug 11 10:11:48 <rm_you> will prolly be crappy iron-on, but meh
Aug 11 10:11:49 <lardman> I believe so
Aug 11 10:11:59 <rm_you> I'll make like 6
Aug 11 10:12:02 <rm_you> enough for the whole week
Aug 11 10:12:10 <rm_you> different logo every day
Aug 11 10:12:34 <lardman> Looks like a T-shirt with print will cost ~18 GBP or a Polo for ~20 GBP at the places I've looked
Aug 11 10:12:40 <rm_you> hrm
Aug 11 10:12:44 <rm_you> thats ridiculous
Aug 11 10:12:46 <lardman> discount for more
Aug 11 10:12:54 <rm_you> i can go to the mall and get them to print me some for cheap i think
Aug 11 10:12:56 <lardman> well it's not so far off the cost of a T-shirt really
Aug 11 10:12:58 <rm_you> or... better idea
Aug 11 10:13:00 <kulve> cat /etc/osso_software_version
Aug 11 10:13:00 <kulve> RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.30-2_PR_MR0
Aug 11 10:13:06 <rm_you> roommate's dad runs a screenprinting shop :P
Aug 11 10:13:19 <rm_you> yeah. that's win.
Aug 11 10:13:22 <lardman> ah, all good :)
Aug 11 10:13:32 <rm_you> will poke at him like, tomorrow
Aug 11 10:13:33 <qwerty12> yep, initfs got wiped. I'll start updating fanoush's initfs to version 2008-29 ;)
Aug 11 10:13:47 <rm_you> may come with like, an entire bag of alternate maemo shirts
Aug 11 10:13:58 <rm_you> maybe sell a few to pay for my meals :P
Aug 11 10:14:10 <lardman> :D
Aug 11 10:14:11 <rm_you> to people who forgot to do it
Aug 11 10:14:21 <rm_you> so quim doesnt yell at them :P win-win
Aug 11 10:14:41 <qwerty12> Microb is for sure much faster
Aug 11 10:14:46 <rm_you> ooo
Aug 11 10:15:21 <lardman> qwerty12: nice to hear, I was cursing it last night, especially for locking up all the time
Aug 11 10:16:30 <rm_you> i need maemo shirts anyway....
Aug 11 10:16:50 <rm_you> if i wore maemo shirts around all the time, maybe i would be able to locate some Nx00 users :P
Aug 11 10:16:53 <rm_you> err
Aug 11 10:16:59 <rm_you> N8x0 users :P
Aug 11 10:17:23 <macoute> no 710 users? ;)
Aug 11 10:17:24 <lardman> rm_you: zeroconf with a broadcast message that you're an IT user
Aug 11 10:20:03 <harriv> NXX0 users
Aug 11 10:21:09 <Kegetys> *0 users
Aug 11 10:21:39 <lardman> harriv: 770 doesn't have an N ;)
Aug 11 10:22:11 <harriv> d'oh
Aug 11 10:22:49 <rm_you> (l)o(l)wned
Aug 11 10:23:21 <rm_you> hrm
Aug 11 10:23:22 <rm_you> great
Aug 11 10:23:34 <rm_you> Preparing to replace icd2 0.48 (using .../archives/icd2_0.50_armel.deb) ...
Aug 11 10:23:34 <rm_you> Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2
Aug 11 10:23:35 <XTLi> Stand back, I'm trying regular expressions!
Aug 11 10:23:51 <rm_you> and... ssh closes cause it shut off the net
Aug 11 10:23:54 <XTLi> N?[78].0
Aug 11 10:23:55 <rm_you> so upgrade stalls
Aug 11 10:24:16 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 11 10:24:19 <Kegetys> same just happened to me
Aug 11 10:24:24 <rm_you> sup jaffa
Aug 11 10:24:24 <liri> heh, nice XTLi
Aug 11 10:24:27 <MangoFusion> tried running it in screen?
Aug 11 10:24:36 * rm_you forgot to screen
Aug 11 10:24:43 * qwerty12 didn't need to
Aug 11 10:25:58 <GAN800> Holy SHIT. MicroB SCREAMS.
Aug 11 10:26:03 <rm_you> lol?
Aug 11 10:26:08 <rm_you> nice improvements?
Aug 11 10:26:22 <GAN800> Insane
Aug 11 10:26:36 <rm_you> would love to see some real stats
Aug 11 10:27:57 <GAN800> Window changes are much faster
Aug 11 10:28:53 * rm_you looks around for timeless/timely
Aug 11 10:29:34 <GAN800> Virtual tect input is, unfortunately, still broken as shit.
Aug 11 10:29:44 <GAN800> a/tect/text/
Aug 11 10:30:01 <XTLi> Hmm
Aug 11 10:30:07 <lardman> Randomly I saw some shared folders shown in the File Manager (shared from my Windows PC)
Aug 11 10:30:17 <lardman> is that a new feature?
Aug 11 10:30:21 <rm_you> lol
Aug 11 10:30:27 <konttori> nope. it's been there for chinook
Aug 11 10:30:30 <rm_you> no, "randomly" is an old feature :P
Aug 11 10:30:33 <konttori> (SMB)
Aug 11 10:30:34 <aquatix> GAN800: you have a new build?
Aug 11 10:30:43 <lardman> ah well, I don't often have Windows booted
Aug 11 10:31:01 <GAN800> aquatix, refresh Application Manaager.
Aug 11 10:31:12 <zap> GAN800: can you switch language while in browser?
Aug 11 10:31:20 <rm_you> lulz: gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.
Aug 11 10:31:35 <GAN800> zap, I speak English.
Aug 11 10:31:39 <zap> ah ok
Aug 11 10:31:49 <rm_you> WTF
Aug 11 10:32:15 <rm_you> ok, installing the nokia-repository appears to have BROKEN the update proceedure now
Aug 11 10:32:20 <aquatix> GAN800: ooh!
Aug 11 10:32:21 <rm_you> as it no longer finds any available updates?
Aug 11 10:32:23 <qwerty12> Nokia still haven't added the Martian language support :(
Aug 11 10:32:42 <XTLi> Maybe browserd finally does its job? :)
Aug 11 10:32:50 <nomis> qwerty12: do they have klingon now?
Aug 11 10:33:03 <rm_you> ah there we are, just had to update again
Aug 11 10:33:09 <rm_you> wait wtf?
Aug 11 10:33:10 <X-Fade> rm_you: Are you sure that it isn't because you messed with the unlocked package etc? :)
Aug 11 10:33:21 <qwerty12> nomis: no. what have nokia become!
Aug 11 10:33:24 <XTLi> Could just start with earth languages like lojban
Aug 11 10:33:31 <rm_you> X-Fade: shhhh
Aug 11 10:33:33 <qwerty12> X-Fade: I updated fine using -unlocked
Aug 11 10:33:36 <lardman> or Polish ;)
Aug 11 10:33:40 <aquatix> whoa
Aug 11 10:33:43 <aquatix> loads of updates
Aug 11 10:33:45 <rm_you> err why is it installing from a chinook repo!?
Aug 11 10:33:52 <X-Fade> qwerty12: Yes, but rm_you tried some crazy things ;)
Aug 11 10:33:53 <qwerty12> rm_you: because you have it added? :P
Aug 11 10:33:59 <rm_you> qwerty12: no i removed it
Aug 11 10:34:09 <rm_you> X-Fade: yeah, but they should have been SAFE crazy things :P
Aug 11 10:34:17 <X-Fade> rm_you: lol ;)
Aug 11 10:34:18 <aquatix> what is the recommended way of updating? update all?
Aug 11 10:34:21 <qwerty12> They probably bear no difference
Aug 11 10:34:23 <rm_you> X-Fade: if you noticed, my osso-software-version-unlocked package is in extras <_<
Aug 11 10:34:35 <aquatix> or OS2008 feature upgrade (unlocked)
Aug 11 10:34:37 <konttori> aquatix: I recommend updating the OS first
Aug 11 10:34:40 <X-Fade> rm_you: I haven't dared to touch that..
Aug 11 10:34:42 <konttori> then the rest of the apps
Aug 11 10:34:43 <rm_you> lol
Aug 11 10:34:43 <qwerty12> aquatix: OS2008 feature upgrade (unlocked)
Aug 11 10:34:48 <aquatix> cool
Aug 11 10:34:51 * aquatix does so
Aug 11 10:35:06 <aquatix> gotta love wifi at work :P
Aug 11 10:35:46 <GAN800> Somebody want to test dummy connections?
Aug 11 10:36:06 <qwerty12> GAN800: already done so. no dice.
Aug 11 10:36:10 <rm_you> yeah so, it definitely changed my sources.list to use chinook >_<
Aug 11 10:36:13 <rm_you> but i changed it back
Aug 11 10:36:25 <GAN800> Since there's pretty much zero chance of any Nokia engineers actually telling us if the fix shipped. :rolleyes:
Aug 11 10:36:33 <GAN800> qwerty12, lame. . . .
Aug 11 10:36:39 <rm_you> hrmrm....
Aug 11 10:36:51 <rm_you> still, the updates have disappeared...
Aug 11 10:37:09 <rm_you> i no longer get updates available for initfs-flasher and the kernel flasher
Aug 11 10:37:11 <X-Fade> rm_you: Try apt-get upgrade?
Aug 11 10:37:14 <rm_you> and i did NOT install the updates yet
Aug 11 10:37:16 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 11 10:37:17 <rm_you> gone
Aug 11 10:37:28 <rm_you> i was installing them in chunks on the command line
Aug 11 10:37:43 <qwerty12> rm_you: you have the password, dpkg -i them and flash-and-reboot yourself :P
Aug 11 10:38:08 <rm_you> someone apt-cache policy initfs-flasher
Aug 11 10:38:34 <qwerty12> rm_you: even quicker ;)
Aug 11 10:38:36 <rm_you> I have: "Candidate: 0.95.16-200823maemo2", same as installed
Aug 11 10:38:36 <qwerty12> rm_you: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/initfs-flasher_0.95.16-200829maemo1_all.deb
Aug 11 10:38:55 <qwerty12> ^ That's the latest on nokia's servers
Aug 11 10:39:34 <rm_you> hrm
Aug 11 10:40:58 <nomis> oh wow: finally: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B001CX5G8K/
Aug 11 10:41:23 <nomis> (unfortunately with a hazardous USB-A-Female connection)
Aug 11 10:41:29 <qwerty12> rm_you: carry on with the rest of the install and after rebooting run, cat /mnt/initfs/etc/initfs_version. if it's 2008-29, rejoice. if not, wget with the password the link I mentioned and dpkg -i and then flash-and-reboot and rejoice
Aug 11 10:41:52 <rm_you> i mean
Aug 11 10:41:59 <Kegetys> 100g adapter, pretty heavy
Aug 11 10:42:00 <rm_you> the point was that i *didn't* want to flash the initfs right now
Aug 11 10:42:11 <rm_you> but that wasnt the only update that just vanished
Aug 11 10:42:37 <qwerty12> rm_you: hmm, does /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.sh still exist? if it does, I'll make a quick solution
Aug 11 10:43:05 <rm_you> yes
Aug 11 10:43:17 <qwerty12> great, give me a few mins
Aug 11 10:43:20 <rm_you> ??
Aug 11 10:43:26 <aquatix> nomis: hazardous USB-A-Female?
Aug 11 10:43:45 <qwerty12> rm_you: I'm into initfs hacking, I've learnt a few tricks ;)
Aug 11 10:43:50 <rm_you> yeah but
Aug 11 10:43:57 <rm_you> again, initfs itself isnt the problem
Aug 11 10:43:59 <nomis> aquatix: it has those evil pieces of metal sticking outwards.
Aug 11 10:44:00 <rm_you> it was just an example
Aug 11 10:44:06 <rm_you> that updates literally just VANISHED
Aug 11 10:44:09 <aquatix> nomis: ah, like that
Aug 11 10:44:10 <nomis> aquatix: it should be molded into plastic.
Aug 11 10:44:15 <aquatix> yeah
Aug 11 10:44:22 <aquatix> not expensive though
Aug 11 10:44:27 <qwerty12> rm_you: but you don't want the initfs flashed right?
Aug 11 10:44:30 <aquatix> do they ship to the NL?
Aug 11 10:44:42 <nomis> aquatix: no idea.
Aug 11 10:44:51 * aquatix looks
Aug 11 10:45:27 <rm_you> qwerty12: well, yes
Aug 11 10:45:41 <qwerty12> fuck this, i'm confused :P
Aug 11 10:47:25 <qwerty12> if you are feeling in an experimental mood: apt-get install --reinstall osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked
Aug 11 10:49:03 <aquatix> erm
Aug 11 10:49:17 <aquatix> it's normal that it powers off after the OS2008 update?
Aug 11 10:49:26 <kulve> aquatix: looks so
Aug 11 10:49:32 <qwerty12> aquatix: yeah, it reboots
Aug 11 10:49:40 <aquatix> yeah, but rebooting != powering off ;)
Aug 11 10:49:44 * aquatix boots
Aug 11 10:50:30 <kulve> aquatix: ah, it did restart when I updated it, not just power off..
Aug 11 10:50:31 <aquatix> wonder why it takes so long
Aug 11 10:50:45 <aquatix> ack
Aug 11 10:50:52 <aquatix> now it turned itself off
Aug 11 10:51:03 <aquatix> with the lcd fading away
Aug 11 10:51:05 <aquatix> crap
Aug 11 10:51:34 <aquatix> is there some safe booting option?
Aug 11 10:54:20 <aquatix> this is odd; it shows the nokia logo, no progress bar
Aug 11 10:54:40 <aquatix> and then it fades
Aug 11 10:55:06 <XTLi> You do have power?
Aug 11 10:55:24 <aquatix> yeah, charged last night
Aug 11 10:55:46 <lcuk> charged last night and have power now are 2 different things ;)
Aug 11 10:55:59 <aquatix> ok, battery was full when i did the update ;)
Aug 11 10:56:11 <aquatix> don't have a charger with me
Aug 11 10:56:19 <aquatix> but it was full several minutes ago
Aug 11 10:56:22 <aquatix> and powers on
Aug 11 10:56:31 <aquatix> but then just fails to boot
Aug 11 10:57:47 <macoute> my browser doesnt seem to be any faster
Aug 11 10:59:20 <lardman> mine wouldn't connect, might be the connection though ;)
Aug 11 10:59:31 <js_manrique> hi!
Aug 11 10:59:31 * aquatix would love it when his boots
Aug 11 10:59:51 <js_manrique> does anyboyd know if gazpacho-maemo project is alive?
Aug 11 11:00:09 <js_manrique> (somehting to develop easily GUI wity python)
Aug 11 11:00:32 <js_manrique> wity/with
Aug 11 11:00:44 <GAN800> macoute, mostly window management.
Aug 11 11:01:10 <rm_you> Reinstallation of osso-software-version-rx34-unlocked is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
Aug 11 11:01:12 <rm_you> O_o
Aug 11 11:02:50 <aquatix> anyone have an idea how to fix?
Aug 11 11:02:57 <aquatix> or will it be a re-flash?
Aug 11 11:03:39 <lardman> rm_you: have you --force'd it using dpkg?
Aug 11 11:03:49 <rm_you> no?!
Aug 11 11:04:13 <rm_you> apt-cache policy does not show it in any repo
Aug 11 11:04:17 <rm_you> i must be missing a repository
Aug 11 11:04:21 <lardman> oh I see
Aug 11 11:04:28 <rm_you> i KNOW that the nokia-repository package fscked with it
Aug 11 11:04:31 <lardman> it was in the catalogue one I thought
Aug 11 11:04:32 <rm_you> i don't know how tho
Aug 11 11:05:30 <Kegetys> I think same happened to me, all the updates went away and it didnt seem to install them
Aug 11 11:05:38 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 11 11:05:45 <aquatix> meh stares at his paperweight
Aug 11 11:06:17 <lardman> aquatix: reflash
Aug 11 11:06:22 <aquatix> yeah, i guess
Aug 11 11:06:31 <aquatix> will have to wait till this evening
Aug 11 11:06:33 <aquatix> meh
Aug 11 11:06:44 <lardman> obviously your one didn't like the initfs flash
Aug 11 11:06:47 <rm_you> this is why i wasn't fucking with it right now >_<
Aug 11 11:06:51 <rm_you> EXACTLY the reason
Aug 11 11:06:55 <rm_you> it worked. i hope it still works
Aug 11 11:07:05 <aquatix> lardman: apparently
Aug 11 11:07:07 <rm_you> I am flying in 24 hours or so
Aug 11 11:07:09 <GAN800> Weird, individual update repo for each Diablo version. :/ http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-1/
Aug 11 11:07:14 <rm_you> and i dont have time to deal with this <_<
Aug 11 11:07:17 <aquatix> lardman: there's no verbose boot option i guess?
Aug 11 11:07:35 <GAN800> rm_you, remove the nokia-repo package?
Aug 11 11:07:41 <rm_you> will try
Aug 11 11:07:48 <GAN800> Switch that back to diablo/
Aug 11 11:08:16 <rm_you> that may be it
Aug 11 11:08:24 <GAN800> It is.
Aug 11 11:08:36 <rm_you> yep
Aug 11 11:08:39 <rm_you> packages are back
Aug 11 11:08:44 <lardman> aquatix: no, you might try disabling the lifeguard reset, but you need the cable & flasher to do that anyway
Aug 11 11:08:48 <GAN800> Install nokia-repositories last if you'rs doing it manually.
Aug 11 11:09:27 <GAN800> andre____, the bug as stated is solved, dunno about the internal ticket.
Aug 11 11:09:42 <js_manrique> anybody? is gazpacho-maemo died?
Aug 11 11:09:50 <aquatix> lardman: sounds like i'll just flash this evening, then do an upgrade
Aug 11 11:09:51 <rm_you> ok so for now, i want to flash neither my kernel nor my initfs
Aug 11 11:10:02 <rm_you> so i guess i am good as-is
Aug 11 11:10:10 <js_manrique> another question... has anybody tried fennec M6? it seems that diablo repository doesn't exists
Aug 11 11:10:10 <rm_you> since i have modified versions of both
Aug 11 11:10:29 <GAN800> js_manrique, it's shit.
Aug 11 11:10:50 <js_manrique> GAN800: fennec?
Aug 11 11:11:00 <GAN800> Yes.
Aug 11 11:11:14 <js_manrique> GAN800: it is still very alpha, I think
Aug 11 11:11:30 <GAN800> Only worth installing if you're interested in actively developing it.
Aug 11 11:11:44 <GAN800> It's not yet alpha
Aug 11 11:11:56 <GAN800> alpha is scheduled for a few months from now.
Aug 11 11:12:23 <js_manrique> GAN800: yes
Aug 11 11:15:12 <rm_you> qwerty12: how to make immc2 the default boot?
Aug 11 11:15:56 <GAN800> flasher
Aug 11 11:16:01 <qwerty12> rm_you: try chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2
Aug 11 11:16:07 <GAN800> bootmenu readme tells
Aug 11 11:16:21 <lardman> qwerty12: I like the "you could try"..... ;D
Aug 11 11:16:52 <qwerty12> lardman: :P
Aug 11 11:16:57 <lardman> :)
Aug 11 11:17:43 <rm_you> it isn't immc2?
Aug 11 11:17:54 <GAN800> lol?
Aug 11 11:18:08 <GAN800> iTablet
Aug 11 11:18:12 <qwerty12> rm_you: it shouldn't be iirc. l'll check linuxrc
Aug 11 11:19:27 <qwerty12> rm_you: are you using a bootmenu.conf?
Aug 11 11:20:06 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Aug 11 11:20:55 <rm_you> qwerty12: i guess? I dont mess with initfs
Aug 11 11:21:05 <rm_you> i installed fanoush's thing a while back
Aug 11 11:21:08 <rm_you> and havent touched it since
Aug 11 11:21:31 <qwerty12> rm_you: bootmenu.conf isn't installed by default. what does cat /mnt/initfs/bootmenu.conf say?
Aug 11 11:22:29 <Khertan_n810> alarmd binding doesn t accept utf8 encoded string !
Aug 11 11:22:30 <Khertan_n810> arg !
Aug 11 11:22:33 <rm_you> lots of stuff
Aug 11 11:23:11 <macoute> who reported that his microb seemed a lot faster?
Aug 11 11:23:21 <Kegetys> rm_you: what fixed the updates disappearing for you?
Aug 11 11:23:55 <Khertan_n810> macoute > many people
Aug 11 11:25:34 <macoute> Khertan_n810: my browser takes about 17 sec to start (from zero to a browser not loading homepage)
Aug 11 11:25:44 <macoute> so that is not an improvement
Aug 11 11:26:13 <macoute> version 4.2008.23-14, is that ok?
Aug 11 11:26:36 <jott> haha "Stopping Internet Connectivity daemon 2: icd2" - last message i saw. doh! :)
Aug 11 11:27:46 <qwerty12> lol, what are you mans upgrading with? I used the hildon-application-manager to do it and my upgrade went flawlessly :)
Aug 11 11:27:55 <jott> yuk
Aug 11 11:28:00 * jott never touches h-a-m
Aug 11 11:28:13 <Anunakin> nice
Aug 11 11:28:17 <jott> it's the spawn of evil :O
Aug 11 11:28:24 <Kegetys> jott: same happened to me and now, I think, all the packages/repos are screwed up
Aug 11 11:28:28 <qwerty12> I usually don't but I do for SSU because ssu packages have special flags which only h-a-m will read :)
Aug 11 11:28:33 <jott> Kegetys: it continues to update
Aug 11 11:28:40 <XTLi> I used apt
Aug 11 11:28:48 <Kegetys> jott: my updates vanished without being installed
Aug 11 11:28:56 <Kegetys> (it seems)
Aug 11 11:28:57 <XTLi> Ran well, rebooted myself afterwards
Aug 11 11:28:58 <jott> apt-get -f install
Aug 11 11:29:21 <jott> well it's still running here
Aug 11 11:29:24 <jott> so let's see
Aug 11 11:29:29 <Kegetys> does nothing...
Aug 11 11:29:42 <jott> maybe all went fine?! :)
Aug 11 11:30:14 <jott> aaah it reconnected and dumped all the output.
Aug 11 11:30:14 <Khertan_n810> hum ... i ll wait a bit before update
Aug 11 11:30:24 <jott> all hail to long timeouts with ssh sessions :)
Aug 11 11:30:38 <Khertan_n810> as repository are always broken when there is update
Aug 11 11:30:48 <konttori> Khertan_n810: if you don't have any weird setup, you are safe to do it now. (using appman).
Aug 11 11:31:02 <konttori> the application repositories won't change a bit.
Aug 11 11:31:09 <konttori> Only the system update repo.
Aug 11 11:31:18 * Khertan_n810 thinks it s mainly due to 33,6k modem used for the maemo repository
Aug 11 11:31:35 <konttori> It's slow? Really?
Aug 11 11:31:58 <macoute> what is the version you guys have after update?
Aug 11 11:32:04 <jott> i got 255kB/s, not good and not that bad either.
Aug 11 11:32:11 <macoute> so control panel - about
Aug 11 11:32:11 <konttori> 30-2
Aug 11 11:32:23 <macoute> hmm, i only have 23-14
Aug 11 11:32:28 <macoute> so something didnt work out
Aug 11 11:32:52 <RST38h> macoute: it needs a sacrifice
Aug 11 11:33:01 <macoute> RST38h: would a sheep do?
Aug 11 11:33:10 <RST38h> macoute: preferable human, but a black goat or two will do
Aug 11 11:33:43 * qwerty12 offers RST38h 
Aug 11 11:33:48 <macoute> then i'll go with a human, just to be sure
Aug 11 11:34:25 <crashanddie> Khertan_n810, they don't have a 33.6k modem
Aug 11 11:34:40 <RST38h> qwerty: won't do
Aug 11 11:34:48 <crashanddie> Khertan_n810, they have an old morse code expert, who directly taps binary on the phone line
Aug 11 11:34:51 <jott> crashanddie: 14.4? or 300bps?
Aug 11 11:34:51 <RST38h> qwerty: 'll just make Him angry
Aug 11 11:34:58 <qwerty12> RST38h: lol
Aug 11 11:35:23 <konttori> crashanddie: Is the update slow for you?
Aug 11 11:35:25 <crashanddie> When Doctor Who murders Captain Jean-Luc Picard: http://davidtennant.albumpost.com//albums/album833/abu.sized.jpg
Aug 11 11:35:29 <crashanddie> which update ?
Aug 11 11:35:33 <konttori> SSU.
Aug 11 11:35:38 <konttori> As in the OS update
Aug 11 11:35:44 <crashanddie> there's an OS update ?
Aug 11 11:35:48 <macoute> i have problems updatin libopenobex1-packages
Aug 11 11:35:53 <konttori> Are you kidding?
Aug 11 11:37:37 <crashanddie> well, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an OS update and the servers are slow, everyone's trying to update :P
Aug 11 11:37:44 <crashanddie> what's the update all about, link ?
Aug 11 11:38:22 <jott> lot's of new package versions - hard to tell. fixes and new bugs i guess :)
Aug 11 11:38:43 <XTLi> Changelogs
Aug 11 11:38:46 <jott> are there?
Aug 11 11:38:54 * jott looks
Aug 11 11:38:59 <XTLi> Really want them
Aug 11 11:39:09 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 11 11:39:48 <jott> atleast it rebooted after the update.
Aug 11 11:40:42 <XTL> Wonder if I should just reflash
Aug 11 11:41:58 <jott> hm is it just me or is the browser a bit faster?
Aug 11 11:42:06 <macoute> should libopenobex be a somehow critical library?
Aug 11 11:42:13 <XTL> jott: Many people seem to be saying it is
Aug 11 11:42:15 <macoute> i think i installed it myself?
Aug 11 11:42:31 <XTL> macoute: Is it used by the builtin BT stuff
Aug 11 11:42:45 <macoute> XTL: is it?
Aug 11 11:42:45 <XTL> send/recv files is what I think it does
Aug 11 11:42:49 <XTL> I don't know :)
Aug 11 11:43:05 <XTL> I keep seeing "Operating system, 0kb" in Appman
Aug 11 11:43:11 <macoute> yeah, that is obex, but if i recall correctly i installed it myself...
Aug 11 11:43:16 <XTL> And about shows old version
Aug 11 11:43:17 <macoute> now i cant remove it, though
Aug 11 11:43:33 <XTL> macoute: It might be from some other repo of course. You could check with apt-cache policy?
Aug 11 11:44:25 <qwerty12> dannym: (for when he reads the logs), you can find a proper usbmodeswitch deb here: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/usbmodeswitch_0.9.4_armel.deb
Aug 11 11:45:38 <macoute> XTL: removing it is going to rmemove a lot varying from claws-mail to nokia-repository and skype :)
Aug 11 11:48:47 <XTL> I have it too, and no repo so I think it's from the base system
Aug 11 11:54:04 <Jaffa> crashanddie: going to see Hamlet in October :)
Aug 11 11:54:17 <crashanddie> Jaffa, you have the tickets already ?
Aug 11 11:54:44 <crashanddie> Jaffa, you going at the London one ?
Aug 11 12:00:22 <RST38h> Gentlemen, I am at work and it will be a few hors before I canupdate the tablet
Aug 11 12:00:37 <RST38h> So, what is new in the SSU ?
Aug 11 12:00:53 <lcuk> jaffa, don't get all dreamy eyed and lose yourself in the doctorwho/star trek fantasy - remember its hamlet you are going to see
Aug 11 12:01:29 * lcuk trips up crashanddie
Aug 11 12:02:19 <crashanddie> lcuk, you'll never find me at fault
Aug 11 12:02:43 * lcuk undoes the bolts on your scooter
Aug 11 12:02:49 <crashanddie> lcuk, at best, you might find errors in my code, but that is merely due to poor keyboards, but, I never, make any mistake
Aug 11 12:03:26 <lcuk> eh crashanddie ?
Aug 11 12:03:28 <crashanddie> oh wait, wait, wait, I'll do that in Horatio Caine (CSI Miami) style
Aug 11 12:04:08 <crashanddie> But I, never [pause][put sunglasses on] make any mistake [walks out of shot]
Aug 11 12:04:27 <lcuk> [and into a lampost]
Aug 11 12:05:01 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 11 12:05:06 <lcuk> the jim carrey pisstake of that ruined it for the missus - she laughs now everytime hedoes it
Aug 11 12:07:05 <crashanddie> lcuk, have you seen the 10 minute long collection of cheesy lines on youtube ?
Aug 11 12:07:19 <XTL> There's a few iirc
Aug 11 12:07:38 <crashanddie> lcuk, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948
Aug 11 12:08:25 <lcuk> yer i think so, but i cant view stuff here tis work and yt doesnt work too well over this slowass link
Aug 11 12:09:04 <lcuk> crashanddie, i solved my scaling dilemma - actually i had solved it a while ago
Aug 11 12:10:48 <XTL> flashandreboot helped \o{
Aug 11 12:11:11 * lcuk 's  head spins: The neat thing about pseudo-randomness is that, if you think about it -- and you don't think too much about it -- you can actually generate a real random number by pseudo-randomizing a pseudo-randomizer a pseudo-random number of times. 
Aug 11 12:12:53 * qwerty12 prefers kde3 over kde4
Aug 11 12:13:28 <lcuk> qwerty12, i thought 4.1 was much more stable, or havent you tried that yet? or  are they both as bad as each otehr
Aug 11 12:13:39 * XTL prefers home toesurgery to kde
Aug 11 12:13:45 <aquatix> lol
Aug 11 12:14:05 <qwerty12> lcuk: I tried out the final release of kde4 and I still found it every inch as unstable as the testing builds :/
Aug 11 12:14:16 <lcuk> lol xtl, gnome foot
Aug 11 12:14:38 <crashanddie> lcuk, it won't be a real random number, will it ?
Aug 11 12:14:46 <crashanddie> lcuk, you're just complicating the whole thing, but it's not random
Aug 11 12:14:56 <lcuk> qwerty12, its a very cutting edge package, 4.1 is supposed to clarify lots of that
Aug 11 12:15:13 <lcuk> crashanddie, no it wont - its from dailywtf
Aug 11 12:16:01 <RST38h> KDE4 = Windows of tomorrow
Aug 11 12:16:08 <qwerty12> Thanks lcuk for the heads up. May have another go sometime. But I just realised I don't need it as nautilus supports SSH too :)
Aug 11 12:16:25 <aquatix> RST38h: even crappier?
Aug 11 12:16:25 * aquatix runs
Aug 11 12:16:29 <lcuk> fair enough
Aug 11 12:17:00 <RST38h> about the same
Aug 11 12:17:06 <jott> RST38h: gnome = windows of yesterday? :)
Aug 11 12:17:45 <XTL> With all the pimp shareware mods
Aug 11 12:19:07 <lcuk> gotta go , back later
Aug 11 12:19:19 * aquatix rather likes xfce4
Aug 11 12:19:29 <aquatix> jott: gnome looks a lot better :)
Aug 11 12:19:33 <jott> aquatix: haha
Aug 11 12:19:46 <jott> aquatix: this is the most pathetic thing to say :)
Aug 11 12:19:46 <roadies> why can't you do soft links on n810 doing "ln -s ../mediawiki/index.php ./index.php" complains that the operation is not allowed.....??
Aug 11 12:20:01 <aquatix> xfce4 with some nice themes is damn nice and usable
Aug 11 12:20:13 <aquatix> roadies: on a memory card?
Aug 11 12:20:21 <roadies> yeah
Aug 11 12:20:29 <aquatix> the memory cards are fat formatted by default
Aug 11 12:20:36 <aquatix> and FAT doesn't support symlinks
Aug 11 12:20:51 <RST38h> jott: yep
Aug 11 12:20:52 <trickie|work> roadies: try ext2
Aug 11 12:21:14 <trickie|work> filesystem is not journaled but it is a *real* one :)
Aug 11 12:21:15 <aquatix> jott: pathetic to say gnome looks a lot better than windows? or that i like xfce4? :)
Aug 11 12:21:19 <roadies> can you format 'em to ext2 or (pref) ext3
Aug 11 12:21:26 <aquatix> roadies: sure
Aug 11 12:21:28 <aquatix> google it
Aug 11 12:21:33 <aquatix> there are some nice howto's
Aug 11 12:21:42 <roadies> thanks --- working it
Aug 11 12:21:46 <aquatix> even can do two partitions; one fat, one ext2/3
Aug 11 12:21:58 <jott> aquatix: it's fine to like xfce. but to say gnome "looks better" is just ....
Aug 11 12:22:17 <aquatix> jott: heheh, yeah, that sounds like being an ubuntu user ;)
Aug 11 12:22:39 <roadies> now ... hold on....dont get too fancy on me... ;-)
Aug 11 12:22:56 <aquatix> i miss the keyboard usability of xfce4 on gnome, but overall gnome works quite ok for me
Aug 11 12:23:34 <aquatix> roadies: two partitions on a card means that you can still have a FAT `disk' which can be read by a windows pc
Aug 11 12:23:35 <mikkov_> X-Fade: is there a way to upload  package to chinook extras non-free?
Aug 11 12:23:38 <aquatix> which could be useful
Aug 11 12:23:51 <aquatix> roadies: but of course you can just format it to ext2 or ext3
Aug 11 12:24:02 <aquatix> not sure whether ext3 is directly supported by the tablet thoguh
Aug 11 12:24:40 <qwerty12> it is when the module is inserted
Aug 11 12:24:42 <roadies> aquatix:  hummm as much as I try staying away from anything windows these days... its an idea
Aug 11 12:24:58 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Nothing has been setup for that yet.
Aug 11 12:25:19 <X-Fade> mikkov_: I'm not sure if it is a wise thing to mess with chinook like that ;)
Aug 11 12:26:32 <mikkov_> X-Fade: but I need it;) I can upload to diablo non-free ;)
Aug 11 12:27:17 <mikkov_> X-Fade: well, I can put also to free but it really is non-free
Aug 11 12:27:19 <X-Fade> mikkov_: We have some non-free packages in chinook posing as free.
Aug 11 12:27:46 <X-Fade> mikkov_: But I really don't know if it is a good idea to change policies on a 'legacy' repository.
Aug 11 12:28:16 <mikkov_> X-Fade: I'll use free, np
Aug 11 12:28:17 <aquatix> roadies: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card should be useful, but it won't load here at
Aug 11 12:28:20 <aquatix> *atm
Aug 11 12:28:34 <X-Fade> mikkov_: It might be a good idea to discuss it on -developers.
Aug 11 12:31:54 <roadies> aquatix:  thanks, but before I do any formating, I just discovered the Apache server doesnt have php in it which is the real goal here....
Aug 11 12:32:05 <aquatix> ah
Aug 11 12:32:13 <aquatix> maybe through cgi?
Aug 11 12:33:16 <roadies> aquatix, sorry more explaining is needed.... I'm looking into setting the n810 up as a wiki server
Aug 11 12:33:27 <roadies> mediawiki needs php
Aug 11 12:35:12 <aquatix> roadies: heh, cool
Aug 11 12:35:22 <aquatix> but maybe you can run php through a cgi on apache
Aug 11 12:35:35 <aquatix> or look into getting the apache php module
Aug 11 12:36:26 <jott> or even lighttpd?
Aug 11 12:37:21 <aquatix> yeah, sounds like a better plan
Aug 11 12:37:31 <Kegetys> nginx + pgp5-fastcgi works
Aug 11 12:37:31 <aquatix> will run better on a n810 i guess
Aug 11 12:37:36 <Kegetys> php
Aug 11 12:37:42 <roadies> I'm starting to poke around for a php module....and I TOTALLY agree it cool... I "popped a cork" as they say when I found the apache server support downloaded it and was webbing into my n810... this stuff is way-way cool
Aug 11 12:38:42 <aquatix> :)
Aug 11 12:40:51 <Kegetys> http://212.149.175.238:10080/phpsysinfo/ :P
Aug 11 12:41:24 <aquatix> *crunch*
Aug 11 12:41:28 <aquatix> neat
Aug 11 12:42:55 * aquatix screenshots :P
Aug 11 12:45:18 <Blastur> anyone in here set up ziproxy to use with n810? i wonder how the microB browser handles gzipped streams/content? (http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/)
Aug 11 12:45:40 <aquatix> should be fine
Aug 11 12:45:43 <aquatix> imho
Aug 11 12:45:58 <aquatix> maybe uses more cpu though
Aug 11 12:45:58 <Blastur> is it worth it? i figure the gain in reduced bandwidth usage may cause the device to run slow if it has to uncompress and stuff
Aug 11 12:46:08 <Blastur> also, do you know if microB can support JPEG2000?
Aug 11 12:46:10 <aquatix> i wouldn't know
Aug 11 12:46:16 <Blastur> okay, thanks anyway
Aug 11 12:46:19 <aquatix> i think you'd better just try and benchmark
Aug 11 12:46:40 <aquatix> i think it would need a plugin for jpeg2000, and i'm not aware of any
Aug 11 12:47:15 <Blastur> its not so important anyway.. im mostly after gzipped html and jpegs which are reduced in quality
Aug 11 12:47:22 <zap> Kegetys: Distro Name 	 Debian testing/unstable
Aug 11 12:47:24 <Blastur> and that should run fine then on the n810
Aug 11 12:47:28 <zap> Kegetys: that's a lie :)
Aug 11 12:48:07 <Kegetys> zap: blame phpsysinfo :P
Aug 11 12:48:23 <aquatix> Blastur: yeah
Aug 11 12:49:50 <macoute> what does your dist-upgrade?
Aug 11 12:50:04 <macoute> does it try to remove busybox? :o
Aug 11 12:51:20 <jott> macoute: "apt-get dist-upgrade" went fine here (besides the "icd2 stopped" shock :)
Aug 11 12:54:14 <macoute> jott: hmm, i started my upgrade from h-a-m but now im stuck :/
Aug 11 12:55:29 <macoute> jott: actually, it seems to be possible that i really do need to remove my busybox...
Aug 11 12:55:46 <macoute> jott: but it didnt warn you that its going to remove a lot of programs?
Aug 11 12:55:49 <macoute> the dist-upgrade
Aug 11 12:56:34 <qwerty12_N800> macoute: disable all your repos except for the update one
Aug 11 12:58:09 <macoute> qwerty12_N800: thats what im doing right now
Aug 11 12:58:19 <macoute> i shoulndt have any conflicting ones, though
Aug 11 12:58:36 <macoute> but hey, i got my brand new 5600+ server running in germany!
Aug 11 12:58:48 <macoute> nice job, i orderer it today
Aug 11 12:58:49 <roadies> aquatix, before I logout...thanks for the help
Aug 11 12:59:44 <macoute> and at the same time as i received this confirmation mail the author of mmpc replied to my mail
Aug 11 12:59:54 <macoute> so if you are here, holger, thanx :)
Aug 11 13:00:24 <jott> macoute: no. i had no troubles with busybox at all using apt-get.
Aug 11 13:05:22 <eichi_> hello
Aug 11 13:05:29 <eichi_> some hot news about maemo?
Aug 11 13:06:38 <XTL> same old
Aug 11 13:07:23 <aquatix> eichi_: new updates today, if you didn't hear/notice
Aug 11 13:14:10 <Veggen> aquatix: uhm...large updates?
Aug 11 13:14:37 <Veggen> (sorry, I normally don't follow #maemo daytime if I'm a bit busy at work. I'll go read backlog ;P)
Aug 11 13:15:13 <XTL> somewhat large
Aug 11 13:19:38 <XTL> #3478 is now closed
Aug 11 13:22:08 <aquatix> Veggen: OS updates; a.o. updates to microb, modest and telepathy
Aug 11 13:22:18 <aquatix> and some initfs stuff that broke my tablet :P
Aug 11 13:22:29 <aquatix> but that might be because of my own fiddling beforehand
Aug 11 13:22:47 <Veggen> ok, I've done nothing that touches initfs.
Aug 11 13:22:55 * aquatix neither
Aug 11 13:22:59 <aquatix> still, it broke
Aug 11 13:23:12 <aquatix> anyway, going to reflash diablo this evening and update cleanly
Aug 11 13:23:14 <XTL> Mine failed to do the flash and reboot on its own, but otherwise no problems
Aug 11 13:23:33 <XTL> Not quite sure if there's any tanglible change either except for version strings :)
Aug 11 13:23:34 <aquatix> XTL: mine started to reboot, but gets stuck somehow on the Nokia logo
Aug 11 13:23:44 <aquatix> it just fades out and shuts off
Aug 11 13:25:42 <Roman__> hi everybody i want to run web browser with flash support on arm11 i.MX31 processor. I ported and run arora on the ARM but i don;t have flash support. So i want to ask you is it possible to run maemo on ARM processor with flash support ?
Aug 11 13:27:44 <Roman__> ?
Aug 11 13:40:12 <RST38h> Roman: Probably.
Aug 11 13:50:15 <crashanddie> sexy lady: http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8594/screenshot01ki4.png
Aug 11 14:01:21 <timeless> is planet.maemo.org broken for anyone else?
Aug 11 14:01:44 <X-Fade> timeless: Hmm it is for me too.
Aug 11 14:01:53 <X-Fade> timeless: I'll find out what happens.
Aug 11 14:02:02 <timeless> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
Aug 11 14:02:08 <timeless> you'll file a bug?
Aug 11 14:02:12 <timeless> http://maemo.org//news/planet-maemo/
Aug 11 14:02:14 <timeless> is where i got sent
Aug 11 14:02:16 <timeless> instead of
Aug 11 14:02:22 <timeless> http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo//
Aug 11 14:02:26 <timeless> which is where we used to go
Aug 11 14:02:33 <timeless> http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ <- is the ideal url
Aug 11 14:03:06 <X-Fade> timeless: I get a 404.
Aug 11 14:03:26 <X-Fade> No redirect.
Aug 11 14:05:14 <X-Fade> Hmm ok, it seems that Ferenc was working on it.
Aug 11 14:05:57 <jahor> hi i will repeat my question from this morning: hello, my n810 suffer from random reboots. i was directed to the common problem with reformat sollution. but it does not help. yesterday i tried to use dualboot from sd card and after a while it reebooted again. i had suspect it is the abnormaly defective internal flash, but now when it reboots with removable sd card .... could it be something well known or is it the reason for warranty claim ? anybody any hint p
Aug 11 14:07:27 <zap> jahor: try a clean reflash, if it still reboots it is a reason for warranty claims
Aug 11 14:07:44 <X-Fade> timeless: Trailing slash removed.
Aug 11 14:08:07 <timeless> woohoo
Aug 11 14:08:48 <timeless> err, did you get the bugjar guy to back post jars 1..11?
Aug 11 14:08:56 * timeless is so glad to see a blog for it
Aug 11 14:09:13 <X-Fade> Heh, I just added the atom feed for it.
Aug 11 14:09:41 <timeless> fwiw, we're trying (and failing) to get open in background
Aug 11 14:09:44 <timeless> ...
Aug 11 14:10:04 <timeless> our group wants it, but the ui people aren't budging
Aug 11 14:10:41 <X-Fade> timeless: Well, I was pleasantly surprised about the browser after today's update. ;)
Aug 11 14:10:42 <Kegetys> why would someone have something against it
Aug 11 14:10:46 <X-Fade> That counts for something..
Aug 11 14:11:08 <timeless> kegetys: i'm not going there in a public channel
Aug 11 14:11:58 <timeless> x-fade: i'll try to get a new xref up eventually, but a push will have to wait for dreamhost to get fixed
Aug 11 14:12:28 <X-Fade> timeless: What hardware is required for running the mxr?
Aug 11 14:12:30 <Kegetys> can we vote to fire the ui people? :P
Aug 11 14:12:46 <timeless> x-fade: you want something like 100gb of storage
Aug 11 14:12:57 <timeless> and decent uplink/downlink
Aug 11 14:13:04 <X-Fade> timeless: We might get a VM etc for that..
Aug 11 14:13:05 <timeless> it really belongs at a dreamhost like system
Aug 11 14:13:19 <timeless> http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2008/07/21/lovejoy-and-sanjay-file-server-issues/
Aug 11 14:13:22 <timeless> is the issue
Aug 11 14:13:53 <timeless> i'm one of those 19 :)
Aug 11 14:14:00 <timeless> i expect to be the *last* one
Aug 11 14:15:29 <crashanddie> wait
Aug 11 14:15:39 <crashanddie> maemo is hosted on dreamhost ?
Aug 11 14:16:22 <X-Fade> no.
Aug 11 14:16:54 <crashanddie> ah, ok
Aug 11 14:17:01 <crashanddie> was frightened there for a second
Aug 11 14:25:59 <GreyFoxx> Anyone know of a software toggle to tel the n810 to not turn on the red indicator light when the camera is enabled ?
Aug 11 14:26:53 <timeless> is it possible that's against the law in some countries? :)
Aug 11 14:27:18 <lardman> timeless: I thought that was a shutter sound?
Aug 11 14:27:32 <timeless> i think it's both :)
Aug 11 14:27:32 <lardman> can't see the light when it's up someone's skirt and all that
Aug 11 14:27:35 <GreyFoxx> Dunno about the legalities :)
Aug 11 14:27:54 <lardman> My Nokia phone lets me turn the sound off anyway
Aug 11 14:28:08 <glass> on phones it depends on which firmware it's with
Aug 11 14:28:17 <GreyFoxx> I have acoworker who continues to come into my cube and muck around in my desk, taking things and later denying it :)
Aug 11 14:28:19 <glass> on some locales fw's the sound can't be turned off
Aug 11 14:32:30 <_al_> hello, what is the best terminal for n810 supporting utf8?
Aug 11 14:33:25 <X-Fade> zap: ping
Aug 11 14:34:09 <zap> yes?
Aug 11 14:34:33 <X-Fade> zap: We really need to fix this bzip thing ;)
Aug 11 14:34:47 <X-Fade> zap: We both want different things, I think ;)
Aug 11 14:34:52 <lardman> GreyFoxx: claymore
Aug 11 14:35:00 <zap> X-Fade: I would like to see the repository properly reindexing
Aug 11 14:35:12 <zap> it still contains the stone-old version in Packages
Aug 11 14:35:14 <X-Fade> zap: Why did you want to upgrade bzip in the first place btw?
Aug 11 14:35:22 <lcuk> greyfoxx, set a beartrap for the tealeaf
Aug 11 14:35:34 <zap> my bzip package contains MIME types and icons for bzip archives
Aug 11 14:35:41 <mikkov_> X-Fade: bzip2 worked with abuse packages...
Aug 11 14:35:47 <X-Fade> zap: Ah, ok..
Aug 11 14:35:53 <lcuk> lol lardman you might get friendly targets with yours
Aug 11 14:35:53 <GreyFoxx> lcuk: This is meant to be part of that trap :)
Aug 11 14:36:02 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Not now: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/qt4-x11_4.4.0-2maemo0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt
Aug 11 14:36:08 <zap> X-Fade: could you look at the reindexing problem, I would fix bzip2 quickly then
Aug 11 14:36:17 <zap> X-Fade: I must run home now, sorry :-(
Aug 11 14:36:18 <X-Fade> No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/hicolor'.
Aug 11 14:36:18 <X-Fade> If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index.
Aug 11 14:36:18 <X-Fade> dpkg: error processing bzip2 (--configure):
Aug 11 14:36:28 <mikkov_> X-Fade: yes, that's why I am wondering ;)
Aug 11 14:36:43 <zap> X-Fade: how you got latest bzip from repository>
Aug 11 14:36:44 <zap> ?
Aug 11 14:37:00 <zap> the repo index still lists the old version (two versions ago)
Aug 11 14:37:03 <X-Fade> zap: Setting up bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo4) ...
Aug 11 14:37:53 * lcuk suffers from information overload
Aug 11 14:38:51 <zap> Source: bzip2
Aug 11 14:38:51 <zap> Version: 1.0.3-1
Aug 11 14:38:52 <mikkov_> X-Fade: here https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/abuse-frabs_2.11-1/i386.root.log.OK.txt bzip2 (1.0.4-2maemo4) works
Aug 11 14:39:30 <zap> Version: 1.0.4-2maemo2
Aug 11 14:39:35 <zap> that's what I see in Packages\
Aug 11 14:39:50 <X-Fade> mikkov_: My guess is that it is because you have a gtk application?
Aug 11 14:39:59 <X-Fade> mikkov_: Because the index is in gtk..
Aug 11 14:40:06 <zap> aha, I found the latest version
Aug 11 14:40:10 <zap> it's there now
Aug 11 14:40:16 <t_s_o> hmm, all kinds of new updates show up, now its the map app thats getting a version bump...
Aug 11 14:40:17 <X-Fade> zap: it looks fine to me.
Aug 11 14:40:22 <zap> yes, now it is
Aug 11 14:40:24 <X-Fade> zap: I also checked unzip.
Aug 11 14:40:30 <zap> yes, I checked too
Aug 11 14:40:34 <zap> did you do anything to it?
Aug 11 14:40:36 <mikkov_> X-Fade: abuse-frabs contains only data files
Aug 11 14:40:42 <t_s_o> heh, needs to clean up some space if i am to install that one :P
Aug 11 14:41:10 <zap> X-Fade: I will fix bzip2 in ~1.5 hours, ok? Have to come home first
Aug 11 14:41:17 <X-Fade> mikkov_: I really don't get it ;)
Aug 11 14:41:23 <X-Fade> zap: Sure, no problem.
Aug 11 14:41:42 <zap> I realized that I need the -t option for gtk-update-icon-cache, since a clean scratchbox doesn't have any icon caches
Aug 11 14:42:22 <zap> X-Fade: do I need to increase version number even after minor changes to a package?
Aug 11 14:42:27 <X-Fade> zap: Ah :)
Aug 11 14:42:38 <X-Fade> zap: Yes. Change the package revision number.
Aug 11 14:42:45 <X-Fade> That is what it is meant for.
Aug 11 14:43:12 <zap> but it's still a mistery why Packages isn't always updated
Aug 11 14:43:27 <zap> maybe because of no free disk space sometimes...
Aug 11 14:43:30 <X-Fade> zap: I made some changes on thursday or friday.
Aug 11 14:43:47 <X-Fade> zap: That problem has been solved this afternoon. (30 GB extra now)
Aug 11 14:43:55 <zap> ok
Aug 11 14:44:06 <GAN800> Somebody want to explain to Tim on the list that the gradient logo looks like web 2.0 shit. :P
Aug 11 14:44:31 <zap> Dunno what you did on thursday and friday, but I made a lot of uploads on saturday and sunday and they never got into Packages
Aug 11 14:44:37 <X-Fade> GAN800: ME-LIKEzzZZ!
Aug 11 14:44:40 <GAN800> Anybody else not get reply text in Modest when replying to emails with image attachments?
Aug 11 14:44:53 <X-Fade> zap: Did you update the version numbers?
Aug 11 14:44:54 <aquatix> GAN800: where? what?
Aug 11 14:45:09 <zap> X-Fade: yes, I started updating them on every upload about friday
Aug 11 14:45:15 <aquatix> ah, logo
Aug 11 14:45:32 <zap> okay, we'll see how it works this time
Aug 11 14:45:33 <X-Fade> zap: I see your latest unzip in there..
Aug 11 14:45:43 <X-Fade> zap: Ok. I'll keep an eye on it.
Aug 11 14:45:43 <zap> yes, it is now but it wasn't this night
Aug 11 14:45:48 <zap> ok, bbl
Aug 11 14:45:50 <X-Fade> zap: Let's try to time it ;)
Aug 11 14:47:11 <t_s_o> cute, now im left with a broken install of map that cant be uninstalled. or at least not by app manager...
Aug 11 14:47:30 <aquatix> t_s_o: apt-get remove?
Aug 11 14:47:39 <t_s_o> planing to, yes
Aug 11 14:47:40 <aquatix> maybe with -f
Aug 11 14:47:50 * aquatix loves nuking packages
Aug 11 14:49:25 <t_s_o> heh, apt say i should reinstall before i remove ;)
Aug 11 15:06:44 <t_s_o> bah, i should have cleaned out the user manual dir a long time ago...
Aug 11 15:10:14 <t_s_o> err, if the apt-get readout is correct, the map install pulled in a lot of tinymail related packages?!
Aug 11 15:10:48 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody want to stick an announcement about the upgrade on maemo.org?
Aug 11 15:10:51 <t_s_o> oh wait, it was a case of setting up, not installing. still, weird...
Aug 11 15:11:27 <GeneralAntilles> X-Fade, Planet's dead. :(
Aug 11 15:11:49 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Shift reload?
Aug 11 15:12:17 <GeneralAntilles> "The following error was encountered: Unable to forward this request at this time."
Aug 11 15:12:31 <X-Fade> GeneralAntilles: Ah, yes WIP.
Aug 11 15:13:15 <GeneralAntilles> There it goes
Aug 11 15:13:50 <X-Fade> *.maemo.org now goes to maemo.org, instead of the repository.
Aug 11 15:14:14 <X-Fade> So a few changes were needed.
Aug 11 15:15:13 * GeneralAntilles wades into wikipedia to update the Maemo pages.
Aug 11 15:31:29 <Cptnodegard> does anyone know if you can set bluetooth keyboard language by means of soome fancy command line and not the menu?
Aug 11 15:34:51 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: look into hildon-im-xkbtool
Aug 11 15:35:01 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: run hildon-im-xkbtool --list as root and tell me what it says
Aug 11 15:38:56 <Cptnodegard> is that somethig i have to install?
Aug 11 15:39:19 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: comes with the os. I believe the control panel applet uses that to set layout
Aug 11 15:39:35 <qwerty12> if you can, plug in the keyboard and run hildon-im-xkbtool --list pleae
Aug 11 15:39:38 <qwerty12> *please
Aug 11 15:39:39 <Cptnodegard> so what do i put in terminal?
Aug 11 15:39:47 <qwerty12> hildon-im-xkbtool --list - as root
Aug 11 15:40:02 <Cptnodegard> i dont rememebr hwo to do anythign as root, only done it once
Aug 11 15:40:48 <qwerty12> Hmm, does running sudo gainroot in a terminal work?
Aug 11 15:41:31 <GeneralAntilles> Cptnodegard fails at xterm.
Aug 11 15:41:35 <Cptnodegard> i have rootsh instaleld not...the other one, if that helps
Aug 11 15:41:40 <Cptnodegard> of cours ei do :)
Aug 11 15:41:50 <Cptnodegard> i hack hardware not software
Aug 11 15:42:10 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: sudo gainroot should work then
Aug 11 15:42:36 <qwerty12> Gnome integration with ssh is nice :>
Aug 11 15:44:18 <Cptnodegard> rebooted tht hign because usb kb wouldnt work
Aug 11 15:44:20 <Cptnodegard> hang on
Aug 11 15:45:06 <Cptnodegard> the prob im having is that though the bt kb settigns are set to norwegian, sometimes i get english layout when mounting. thought id just add a shortcut to the desktop woith personal-launch to set it to norwegian as it works just going into the control panel and clicking ok
Aug 11 15:46:05 <qwerty12> It may just be easier to install an script to do it (if the command line way works) in /etc/rc2 and set it up properly
Aug 11 15:46:42 <Cptnodegard> i dont know how to use terminal, im not even gonna try doing that :p
Aug 11 15:46:53 <qwerty12> lol
Aug 11 15:48:33 <Cptn-N800> /home/user # hildon-im-xkbtool --list
Aug 11 15:48:34 <Cptn-N800> ID 0, Name: "Virtual core keyboard"
Aug 11 15:48:34 <Cptn-N800> ID 1, Name: "Virtual core pointer"
Aug 11 15:48:34 <Cptn-N800> ID 2, Name: "TSC2301 touchscreen"
Aug 11 15:48:34 <Cptn-N800> ID 3, Name: "Internal keypad"
Aug 11 15:48:34 <Cptn-N800> ID 4, Name: "NOVATEK USB Keyboard"
Aug 11 15:48:36 <Cptn-N800> ID 5, Name: "NOVATEK USB Keyboard"
Aug 11 15:48:38 <Cptn-N800> /home/user #
Aug 11 15:50:10 <qwerty12> Cptn-N800: does "hildon-im-xkbtool --layout=no --id=4" work?
Aug 11 15:50:26 <qwerty12> (well, I assume no = norwegian)
Aug 11 15:51:59 <Cptnodegard> "please specify both layout and model
Aug 11 15:53:30 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard, Cptn-N800: Run hildon-im-xkbtool -g
Aug 11 15:55:05 <Cptnodegard> wooo :D
Aug 11 15:55:11 <Cptnodegard> gopt model and put in --model=pc105
Aug 11 15:55:27 <Cptnodegard> but can i run this from personal-launch since it needs root?
Aug 11 15:55:37 <EY> Hello. What is the latest version of OS for the N800?
Aug 11 15:56:21 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: put this command line into personal-launcher: rootsh hildon-im-xkbtool --layout=no --model=pc105 --id=4
Aug 11 15:58:14 <Cptnodegard> dont need the id
Aug 11 15:58:15 <Cptnodegard> at least i didnt use it
Aug 11 15:59:06 <Cptnodegard> run in terminal?
Aug 11 15:59:09 <qwerty12> nah
Aug 11 15:59:17 * qwerty12 goes back to my vnc and ssh session :)
Aug 11 15:59:35 <Cptnodegard> lol thanks for the help :D
Aug 11 15:59:47 <qwerty12> np :)
Aug 11 16:04:50 <Cptnodegard> qwerty12, i get "execution failed" in personal launch and when runnig in root it says rootsh not found
Aug 11 16:05:42 <qwerty12> Cptnodegard: Not sure. I know rootsh has been used by people in personal launcher fine :/
Aug 11 16:06:11 <Cptnodegard> nvm, it seems its case sensitive :3
Aug 11 16:06:13 <Cptnodegard> sorry
Aug 11 16:07:00 <Cptnodegard> all working perfectly, thank you. now with my modded miniUSB keyboard and a button each for norwegian layout and getting on screen kb back, im all aset :D
Aug 11 16:09:46 <pupnik> oh sorry, they're having problems with the stream
Aug 11 16:14:25 <Cptnodegard> for anyone who may or may not care
Aug 11 16:14:27 <Cptnodegard> http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/IMG_2018.jpg
Aug 11 16:14:29 <Cptnodegard> :)
Aug 11 16:14:58 <qwerty12> I'm sorry, I don't speak Norwegian, FAIL :P
Aug 11 16:15:04 <Cptnodegard> nothign special other than that i cut the original USB and put a auto-hiost mode miniUSB on there
Aug 11 16:15:13 <Cptnodegard> hiost = host
Aug 11 16:17:26 <qwerty12> zap: do your compression packages replace the busybox ones?
Aug 11 16:18:36 <Khertan_n810> Hi !
Aug 11 16:20:11 <crashanddie> Talk about VPN mess: I have an SSH connection which tunnels my HTTP traffic through to France, on my server, which coincidently pumps the HTTP traffic through the neighbours network...
Aug 11 16:20:13 <zap> qwerty12: yes, but they do it correctly (via update-alternatives)
Aug 11 16:20:30 <qwerty12> zap: brilliant, thank you. Saves me from symlinking :)
Aug 11 16:21:13 <zap> gnuzip and gnutar packages
Aug 11 16:21:33 <zap> I had to rename them because the busybox package conflicts with 'tar' and 'gzip'
Aug 11 16:22:27 <crashanddie> "Previously, they only have been able to cloak very thin two-dimensional objects"
Aug 11 16:22:33 <crashanddie> Very thin 2D objects...
Aug 11 16:23:29 * johnx just learned not to apt-get upgrade on the tablet in an un-screened ssh session...
Aug 11 16:23:40 <Khertan_n810> i can t scp to autobuilder queue ... does it down ?
Aug 11 16:23:48 <crashanddie> does it down ?
Aug 11 16:23:51 <crashanddie> tttt
Aug 11 16:24:04 <crashanddie> try again, I'm sure you can do better K
Aug 11 16:24:11 <qwerty12> johnx: icd get you?
Aug 11 16:24:19 <johnx> qwerty12, yup
Aug 11 16:24:23 <qwerty12> :(
Aug 11 16:24:24 <sjgadsby> qwery12: Clear some space in your mailbox on itT, please. I'm trying to send you something I think will interest you.
Aug 11 16:24:43 <Khertan_n810> crashanddie ... i m writing while walking in the street
Aug 11 16:24:50 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 11 16:24:54 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: Done, thank you.
Aug 11 16:25:25 <sjgadsby> qwerty12: Thanks!
Aug 11 16:25:35 <Khertan_n810> hum ... works now
Aug 11 16:26:35 <Guest18754> So I am building a robotic platform that is going to have all sorts of sensors, temp, humidity, barometric, GPS etc. And I was thinking of throwing a bluetooth modem on it and using my n770 as a display for the relevant data. I would basically send strings of info serially over the bluetooth to my n770, but I am not sure how to actually establish a connection and capture those strings from the 770 side
Aug 11 16:26:50 <johnx> qwerty12, actually my timeout was long enough that it succeeded in the background :D
Aug 11 16:27:03 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: Reading now, interesting :)
Aug 11 16:27:09 <qwerty12> johnx: Hehe, that's good to hear :)
Aug 11 16:28:22 <Guest18754> so any ideas on how to grab strings off of the tablets bluetooth?
Aug 11 16:30:25 <Khertan_n810> someone can give me the link to the osso alarmd doc ?
Aug 11 16:30:27 <Khertan_n810> thx
Aug 11 16:31:39 <pgquiles_> has anyone tried to build Boost on maemo?
Aug 11 16:31:59 <Khertan_n810> what is it ?
Aug 11 16:34:06 <pgquiles_> Khertan_n810: http://boost.org
Aug 11 16:34:47 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: interesting, I've got the romfs file mounted on my computer. I'll have a dig around :)
Aug 11 16:35:13 <sjgadsby> qwerty12: Thanks. I hope I'm not making too much of this. It just looks very cool to me.
Aug 11 16:36:18 <Khertan_n810> great no doc for python osso.alarmd ...
Aug 11 16:37:48 <Khertan_n810> how do u launch an app with alarmd ?
Aug 11 16:38:04 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: No problem. No, this seems interesting. Looking at /etc/init.d/microcross-banner, it mentions "GX-Linux(tm)  -  Standard and Professional Platforms". A google tells me they make linux embedded board solutions.
Aug 11 16:39:41 <sjgadsby> qwerty12: I noticed that, but haven't had a chance to investigate if that detail leads anywhere interesting.
Aug 11 16:41:23 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: Cool. Are you able to browse the file system on the device?
Aug 11 16:42:30 <Binky> bef0rd, still interested in being my savior?
Aug 11 16:42:53 <bef0rd> hey Binky
Aug 11 16:43:04 <Binky> Hi... lol
Aug 11 16:43:22 <sjgadsby> qwerty12: I spent some time trying to get USB serial to it working, but I'm doing something wrong. That's why I'd like some better brains working on this. I see cool possibilities, but I think it'll take me too long to make any progress toward them.
Aug 11 16:43:35 <sjgadsby> Off to lunch for now.
Aug 11 16:44:15 <bef0rd> Binky, still trying to fix your status file? heh
Aug 11 16:44:49 <Binky> That is gone, happily
Aug 11 16:45:03 * aquatix reflashes
Aug 11 16:45:14 <aquatix> yay, boots
Aug 11 16:45:16 <aquatix> it's ALIVE
Aug 11 16:45:34 <bef0rd> oh, cool
Aug 11 16:46:24 <Binky> aquatix, what happened?
Aug 11 16:46:32 <Binky> bef0rd, http://pastebin.com/mdecb0d3
Aug 11 16:46:49 <Binky> It all broke when pyano install borked
Aug 11 16:47:04 <aquatix> Binky: i updates os2008 today
Aug 11 16:47:07 <qwerty12> sjgadsby: Enjoy. Looking in their buildpin.ex program, I found some references. Those seem to be the toolchains they use. Plus there is also an GNU string in the file, so you can use that to strengthen your GPL argument. http://pastebin.com/m1cb227a8
Aug 11 16:47:17 <aquatix> it rebooted and got stuck on the Nokia logo without progress bar
Aug 11 16:47:20 <aquatix> then shut off
Aug 11 16:47:28 <Binky> Omg
Aug 11 16:47:49 <Binky> I'd like to reflash
Aug 11 16:47:59 <aquatix> restoring backup...
Aug 11 16:48:00 <Binky> All my770 is messed up
Aug 11 16:48:20 <aquatix> after restore i'm going to update again
Aug 11 16:48:24 <aquatix> wonder if that goes well
Aug 11 16:48:32 <bef0rd> Binky, :/ that looks weird
Aug 11 16:48:38 <Binky> It does
Aug 11 16:48:46 <bef0rd> Binky, are you getting out of space on /?
Aug 11 16:48:49 <aquatix> anyone else that did the OS2008 update (unlocked) trough appman?
Aug 11 16:49:56 <qwerty12> RST38h: Why is vgb so picky? :P. "Loading /media/mmc2/Cokemon.gb...CHECKSUM WRONG". It's an hackzored rom but gnuboy loaded it up fine :)
Aug 11 16:50:40 <aquatix> if i restored application list, is it going to redownload all apps?
Aug 11 16:50:55 <Binky> bef0rd, YESSS!! i want to copy os to my mmc, but the 2 gb card is not working
Aug 11 16:51:17 <Binky> aquatix, i don't think so, but maybe
Aug 11 16:51:21 <aquatix> ah, apparently not
Aug 11 16:51:22 <aquatix> good
Aug 11 16:51:25 <arachnist> hi
Aug 11 16:51:33 <aquatix> ah, it gives a checklist
Aug 11 16:51:35 <Binky> Hi
Aug 11 16:51:39 <aquatix> hey arachnist
Aug 11 16:51:54 <bef0rd> Binky, that could explain why you are getting so many errors when installing stuff
Aug 11 16:53:13 <Binky> It actually does, but it won't let me uninstall them
Aug 11 16:53:35 <arachnist> is there a way to mount the internal nokia n800 filesystem (not memorycard)? i need to change one line in /etc/init.d/rc\
Aug 11 16:53:35 <Binky> Hmmm. Expired coke is even better
Aug 11 16:53:57 <arachnist> s/.$//
Aug 11 16:54:11 <crashanddie> arachnist, ?
Aug 11 16:54:13 <qwerty12> arachnist: do you have fanoush's initfs installed or an mmc boot set up?
Aug 11 16:54:18 <crashanddie> arachnist, just access /etc/init.d ?
Aug 11 16:54:32 <Binky> My mother works in a fruit shop. When drinks expire, she takes them home. Tasty...
Aug 11 16:54:33 <arachnist> qwerty12: no, just diablo
Aug 11 16:54:40 <qwerty12> arachnist: does your N800 boot?
Aug 11 16:54:54 <arachnist> qwerty12: that's the problem
Aug 11 16:55:01 <arachnist> qwerty12: i changed one line, and it doesn't
Aug 11 16:55:20 <qwerty12> arachnist: to get access you at least need fanoush's initfs installed which you can then usbnet and ssh in or an mmc boot set up
Aug 11 16:55:58 <bef0rd> lol Binky...
Aug 11 16:56:38 <arachnist> qwerty12: so the only thing i can do, is flash it?
Aug 11 16:56:48 <qwerty12> arachnist: yep :(
Aug 11 16:57:10 <qwerty12> If you had either one of them, you could have easily mounted the rootfs
Aug 11 17:01:02 <aquatix> hm
Aug 11 17:01:34 <aquatix> the update can't be done because it can't install initfs-flasher, kernel-diablo-flasher, flash-and-reboot
Aug 11 17:01:54 <aquatix> i had fixed that a while ago, but maybe that messed up my update of today
Aug 11 17:02:30 <aquatix> anyone ideas on how to install/update/fix those packages so i can successfully update? :)
Aug 11 17:02:52 <egypt> just use the old flasher utility instead
Aug 11 17:03:43 <aquatix> erm
Aug 11 17:03:47 <aquatix> i updated to diablo
Aug 11 17:03:51 <aquatix> with flasher-3
Aug 11 17:04:04 <qwerty12> aquatix: grab rootsh from extras (or zap's sudser) and run apt-get -f install | sudo gainroot
Aug 11 17:04:05 <aquatix> and now it gives these 3 unupgradable packages
Aug 11 17:05:20 <pH5> hi, is somebody familiar with the inner workings of mce?
Aug 11 17:05:27 <pH5> I can't figure out under which conditions it decides to increase the led_current setting in /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0032/led_current above 0.
Aug 11 17:05:32 <pH5> I'm trying to mix a yellow colour for a LED pattern, but that's impossible at those low currents.
Aug 11 17:09:00 <aquatix> qwerty12: hm, it says root shell enabled, but apt-get gets access denied
Aug 11 17:09:25 <aquatix> installed rootsh
Aug 11 17:09:27 <qwerty12> aquatix: close the application manager and killall apt-worker and run that command again
Aug 11 17:09:34 <aquatix> oh duh
Aug 11 17:09:38 <aquatix> *facepalm*
Aug 11 17:10:08 <aquatix> hm
Aug 11 17:10:15 <aquatix> odd, still doesn't work
Aug 11 17:10:32 <johnx> pastebin the exact error?
Aug 11 17:10:58 <qwerty12> aquatix: try in this order. sudo gainroot, killall hildon-application-manager, killall apt-worker, apt-get -f install
Aug 11 17:11:56 <aquatix> meh, why do you pipe those two commands?
Aug 11 17:12:04 <aquatix> just sudo gainroot, then apt-get is enough
Aug 11 17:12:21 <aquatix> it does nothing though
Aug 11 17:12:33 <aquatix> none upgraded, installed or removed, but 63 not upgraded
Aug 11 17:13:59 <qwerty12> Try upgrading again then in application manager
Aug 11 17:16:45 <aquatix> qwerty12: just OS2008 Feaure upgrade?
Aug 11 17:16:51 <aquatix> hm, where's the (unlocked)
Aug 11 17:16:54 <qwerty12> aquatix: yep
Aug 11 17:17:05 <qwerty12> aquatix: you only get unlocked if you install unlocked manuall
Aug 11 17:17:10 <aquatix> kk
Aug 11 17:17:31 <qwerty12> *manually
Aug 11 17:17:36 <aquatix> downloading now...
Aug 11 17:17:38 <aquatix> looks good
Aug 11 17:19:07 <Guest18754> Anyone know where I can get the maemo SDK? The maemo.org site just has a bunch of broken links
Aug 11 17:20:24 <aquatix> and... reboot \o/
Aug 11 17:20:56 <aquatix> looks like i broke something last time getting those packages installed with apt-get or something
Aug 11 17:21:00 <aquatix> anyways, dinner
Aug 11 17:21:05 <aquatix> qwerty12: thanks for the help :)
Aug 11 17:21:35 <qwerty12> aquatix: no problem :). glad this ssu worked. When I was using the diablo "betas", the same thing happened to me once.
Aug 11 17:28:10 <Guest18754> so it seems there is a nice low level bluetooth API I can use. Now I am installing scratchbox etc
Aug 11 17:31:55 <jott> pH5: afaik the led current is controlled by the ambient light sensor
Aug 11 17:32:44 <pH5> jott: thanks, qwerty12 just pointed me to the mce sources. so I'm perfectly happy now :)
Aug 11 17:32:55 <jott> ;)
Aug 11 17:34:44 <Stskeeps|mirc> is it just me or is maemo.org completely hosed right now?
Aug 11 17:35:06 <Stskeeps|mirc> (as in main page)
Aug 11 17:37:54 <Blastur> Stskeeps|mirc: works fine here
Aug 11 17:38:12 <Stskeeps|mirc> odd
Aug 11 17:38:26 <Stskeeps|mirc> i'm getting squid errors or the likes from it
Aug 11 17:38:39 <Stskeeps|mirc> oh, there it is
Aug 11 17:38:54 <Khertan_n810> re
Aug 11 17:39:04 <Binky> re?
Aug 11 17:39:14 <Khertan_n810> aquatix > i did the update with application manager
Aug 11 17:41:04 <Khertan_n810> binky > french shortcut to say : hi again ..
Aug 11 17:41:05 <Khertan_n810> :)
Aug 11 17:41:35 <Khertan_n810> hum literraly ... : 'i'm back'
Aug 11 17:44:23 <Guest18754> Stskeeps|mirc, it is not just you they appear to be doing some site maintenance as there are several links that are broken and fixed 5 minutes later only to be broken again
Aug 11 17:55:03 <RST38h> Motorola clones iPhone! http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/08/11/motorola-alexanders-non-qwerty-counterpart-atila/
Aug 11 17:56:02 <johnx> so anything without a physical keypad is automatically an "iphone clone"?
Aug 11 17:56:06 * qwerty12_N800 wouldn't buy an iphone or a motorola
Aug 11 17:56:19 <RST38h> Anything that looks like an iphone is an iphone clone
Aug 11 17:56:28 * RST38h wouldn't buy anything that runs WinMobile
Aug 11 17:56:45 <johnx> It resembles an iphone, kinda
Aug 11 17:56:52 <RST38h> Maemo, Symbian, Solaris, anything but WinMobile
Aug 11 17:57:17 <RST38h> johnx: yep, thoroughfully smashed at the corners =)
Aug 11 17:57:26 * qwerty12_N800 likes Symbian (s60) and winmobile
Aug 11 17:57:36 <johnx> RST38h, and it has more buttons
Aug 11 17:57:43 <RST38h> Symbian is ok (both UIQ and S60)
Aug 11 17:57:54 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I'd take iphone OS over WinMo anyday...
Aug 11 17:57:57 <RST38h> But WinMobile and other WinCE derivatives are just pure horror
Aug 11 17:58:56 <johnx> winmo is pain. I used to support them in another life
Aug 11 17:59:23 <johnx> I'd actually take a dumb-phone over winmo I think...
Aug 11 17:59:27 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: heh, you don't by any chance have a phone with symbian foma?
Aug 11 18:00:05 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, I actually have a basic sony-ericson non-smartphone
Aug 11 18:00:31 <johnx> heh...I'm not even sure what it's running
Aug 11 18:00:45 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: ah. i hear the sony ericsson w42s (something like that) is fun :D
Aug 11 18:00:57 <johnx> w42s?
Aug 11 18:01:03 <johnx> I have a w51s IIRC
Aug 11 18:01:30 * qwerty12_N800 goes on esato to dig up the page
Aug 11 18:02:00 <RST38h> Heh, looks like Russians decided to take Tbilisi
Aug 11 18:02:42 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: aha, SO905iCS is the one i'm thinking of
Aug 11 18:02:59 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, on NTT?
Aug 11 18:03:10 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: yep
Aug 11 18:03:18 <johnx> I'm on AU-KDDI
Aug 11 18:03:28 <qwerty12_N800> ah
Aug 11 18:03:32 <johnx> ...and also not in the market for a new phone
Aug 11 18:03:33 <andrewfblack> Hey
Aug 11 18:03:35 * johnx is boring :)
Aug 11 18:03:39 <RST38h> Cern performs a preliminary LHC test on Aug 8th - and *look* what happens
Aug 11 18:03:54 <qwerty12_N800> "It features a BRAVIA Screen, utilising the same RealityMAX engine found in Sony's TV's, a 5.1 MegaPixel Camera, with an EXMOR sensor, the same technology found in Sony's latest and greatest 'α700' DSLR! The camera features 'Smile shutter' which will only take a photo when the subject smiles, and has face recognition - add to that a 16.7 Million colour Screen! "
Aug 11 18:03:58 <RST38h> Just imagine what will happen when they actually start this thing
Aug 11 18:04:01 <qwerty12_N800> hey andrewfblack
Aug 11 18:04:05 <johnx> RST38h, Russia: "The sub-atomic particles made us do it!"
Aug 11 18:04:34 <RST38h> johnx: Being here, I am more of a believer into a black hole suddenly appearing in Saakashvili's butt
Aug 11 18:04:50 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, yeah, they have some pretty weird feature selections on Japanese phones O_o
Aug 11 18:05:03 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, the latest trend this summer was waterproofing
Aug 11 18:05:15 <aquatix> hm, for collabora haze, do i need anything more than telepathy-haze and libpurple?
Aug 11 18:05:25 <aquatix> somehow, the other IM networks don't show up
Aug 11 18:05:34 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: lol, but that bravia screen...
Aug 11 18:05:35 <RST38h> DO NOT update libpurple
Aug 11 18:05:39 * qwerty12_N800 drools
Aug 11 18:05:43 <RST38h> it is not required
Aug 11 18:05:51 <aquatix> RST38h: i installed it
Aug 11 18:05:59 <RST38h> and it looks like Collabora's version of Pidgin has grown by about 15MB
Aug 11 18:06:06 <aquatix> with telepathy-haze
Aug 11 18:06:15 <aquatix> i didn't install pidgin btw
Aug 11 18:06:30 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, yeah, that is a pretty crazy pixel density O_o
Aug 11 18:06:40 <RST38h> yes, but libpurple is like half of pidgin
Aug 11 18:06:59 <aquatix> i know
Aug 11 18:06:59 * qwerty12_N800 so has to go Tokyo and bring back the latest + best sony ericsson and an hypersim
Aug 11 18:07:12 <RST38h> qwerty: and learn kana? =)
Aug 11 18:07:21 <aquatix> RST38h: but libpurple is `only' 2.45MB
Aug 11 18:07:27 <johnx> RST38h, most phones have a half-assed english translation included
Aug 11 18:07:31 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: if needs must :D
Aug 11 18:07:32 <aquatix> [v2.4.3-1collabora1]
Aug 11 18:07:34 <RST38h> aquatix: this sounds safe
Aug 11 18:07:37 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, make sure it's actually GSM quad-band...lot's of weird networks in Japan...
Aug 11 18:07:45 <RST38h> I think the package I have seen was like 7+MB
Aug 11 18:07:51 <aquatix> but only jabber accounts show up
Aug 11 18:07:58 <aquatix> not the msn etc ones i had before
Aug 11 18:08:04 <aquatix> and i can't add them
Aug 11 18:08:11 <aquatix> so i wonder what i'm missing
Aug 11 18:08:37 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: yeah, i'm pretty sure  NTT use umts so the networks here would work (with an hypersim)
Aug 11 18:10:02 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, just remember that umts/hspda is actually separate from gsm
Aug 11 18:10:10 <johnx> one doesn't necessarily mean the other
Aug 11 18:10:33 <johnx> and also there are like a billion frequences of umts in the world
Aug 11 18:10:38 <johnx> or at least 3
Aug 11 18:10:52 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: i know but all uk networks support the 2100 band here. afaik, Ntt uses 2100 :)
Aug 11 18:11:18 <johnx> qwerty12_N800, does all of the UK actually have umts coverage?
Aug 11 18:11:25 <johnx> or is it just in the cities?
Aug 11 18:12:15 <qwerty12_N800> johnx: i'm pretty sure most of it has coverage. it's actually standard on networks as gsm
Aug 11 18:13:04 <aquatix> and otherwise there's always the super-speedy gprs to fall back on
Aug 11 18:13:06 <aquatix> ;)
Aug 11 18:13:59 <johnx> ...wonder if wikipedia needs to be updated, cause it's saying ntt is still on PDC for 2G and W-CDMA in the 1945-1960MHz band
Aug 11 18:14:59 <johnx> ah, I get it. all their phones are dual-mode 2G
Aug 11 18:15:04 <johnx> craziness O_o
Aug 11 18:15:55 * qwerty12_N800 has a cousin there, should get him to send me a phone
Aug 11 18:19:25 <aquatix> ah, i'm missing account-plugin-haze
Aug 11 18:19:26 <aquatix> d'oh
Aug 11 18:19:34 <aquatix> why doesn't that show up in appmgr :/
Aug 11 18:20:29 <lcuk> haze plugins are quite effective.  we have one in the bathroom
Aug 11 18:20:59 <aquatix> heh, yeah
Aug 11 18:21:11 <johnx> really? it's called haze?
Aug 11 18:21:12 <aquatix> never forget your towel ;)
Aug 11 18:21:24 <aquatix> johnx: haze is the magic that ties it together
Aug 11 18:21:26 <johnx> I picture kind of a terrifying smog in lcuk's bathroom...
Aug 11 18:21:28 <arachnist> http://www.worthalaugh.com/2008/08/10/call-of-duty-womens-edition/
Aug 11 18:21:30 <aquatix> telepathy-haze
Aug 11 18:21:32 * qwerty12_N800 thought the northern sky was like haze
Aug 11 18:21:35 <aquatix> johnx: ah, heheh
Aug 11 18:22:04 <lcuk> johnx, its not smog, but at certain times you need a gasmask
Aug 11 18:22:47 <johnx> O_o
Aug 11 18:22:49 <johnx> skeery
Aug 11 18:30:18 <aquatix> lcuk: tmi ;)
Aug 11 18:30:38 <lcuk> and i suppose your bathroom smells of roses :P
Aug 11 18:31:25 <aquatix> depends on the time of year i guess
Aug 11 18:31:35 <nemo> actually. yeah
Aug 11 18:31:35 <lcuk> lol
Aug 11 18:31:50 <nemo> roses or some kinda floral thing. she's always putting scented things in there
Aug 11 18:31:59 * qwerty12_N800 one smells like weed
Aug 11 18:32:01 <aquatix> nemo: it's a hint ;)
Aug 11 18:32:12 <lcuk> thats how this convo started nemo lol
Aug 11 18:32:14 <nemo> aquatix: heh. every room of house has one :-p
Aug 11 18:32:15 <aquatix> qwerty12_N800: er, why?
Aug 11 18:32:50 <qwerty12_N800> aquatix: i'm joking, can't find any good suppliers :p
Aug 11 18:32:56 <aquatix> lol
Aug 11 18:33:16 * aquatix is playing some Creep by Korn from their UNplugged concert
Aug 11 18:33:31 <aquatix> quite a nice cover
Aug 11 18:36:40 <Stskeeps|mirc> mm, radiohead live with that song too is epic as well
Aug 11 18:36:51 <aquatix> true
Aug 11 18:36:54 <aquatix> seen the animation
Aug 11 18:36:55 <aquatix> ?
Aug 11 18:37:04 <Stskeeps|mirc> actually not sure
Aug 11 18:37:06 <aquatix> http://www.lowmorale.co.uk/creep/
Aug 11 18:37:09 <aquatix> too damn cool
Aug 11 18:41:40 <t_s_o> ugh, talk about sensitive updater...
Aug 11 18:42:44 <t_s_o> i just hope my recent cleanup freed enough space...
Aug 11 18:47:10 <qwerty12_N800> Does anyone know if i can dump /dev/mtd2 from a device to claim a flashable kernel image?
Aug 11 18:48:29 <t_s_o> hrmf, thank god that i read the forum thread as now i have a reboot loop...
Aug 11 18:48:38 <t_s_o> reflash from zero coming up i guess
Aug 11 18:48:40 <RST38h> that isn't going to be the only kernel though
Aug 11 18:48:45 * aquatix is a happy camper
Aug 11 18:48:52 <aquatix> tablet works fine
Aug 11 18:49:30 <RST38h> which reminds me: have to update
Aug 11 18:49:35 <t_s_o> all i see is the nokia logo, some flashes of the led and then it reboots again. damn thing is about as sensitive as a old nun!
Aug 11 18:49:45 <aquatix> :)
Aug 11 18:50:04 <RST38h> have you tried installing updates on old nuns?
Aug 11 18:50:19 <t_s_o> no, i prefer a shotgun to the head...
Aug 11 18:50:26 <Stskeeps|mirc> i've seen a nun with a huge icecream. that was funny :P
Aug 11 18:50:39 <aquatix> Stskeeps|mirc: yeah, saw that movie too
Aug 11 18:50:48 * aquatix runs
Aug 11 18:50:56 <t_s_o> i should have seen this coming when the update didnt want to show in app manager :S
Aug 11 18:51:00 <nemo> say, if I screw up this N810 I'm thinking of picking up.  is it possible to do external boot for recovery purposes?
Aug 11 18:51:03 <nemo> like. off of USB cdrom?
Aug 11 18:51:12 <t_s_o> nope
Aug 11 18:51:29 <nemo> hum :-/ that's not so good.
Aug 11 18:51:30 <Stskeeps|mirc> nemo: best shot is having bootmenu with usbnet recovery, and a linux box with flasher
Aug 11 18:51:37 <summatusmentis> screw up to what point? If nothing else you can just flash it again...
Aug 11 18:51:38 <Stskeeps|mirc> you can get darn far with that
Aug 11 18:51:50 <RST38h> Preparing for installation. Please pray.
Aug 11 18:51:56 * RST38h prays earnestly
Aug 11 18:52:04 <summatusmentis> RST38h: installation of what?
Aug 11 18:52:14 <qwerty12_N800> thank God linuxrc is same in the new initfs. i'll remod tommorow easily.
Aug 11 18:52:16 <RST38h> summa: guess
Aug 11 18:52:41 <t_s_o> yay for habits like putting stuff on the external card
Aug 11 18:52:43 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: i'll cross my fingers
Aug 11 18:52:43 <summatusmentis> Stskeeps|mirc: I have no idea... I haven't been following the conv.
Aug 11 18:52:52 <summatusmentis> wow... not Stskeeps|mirc
Aug 11 18:52:53 <nemo> Stskeeps|mirc: bootmenu - grub or the like?
Aug 11 18:53:00 <summatusmentis> RST38h: see above.
Aug 11 18:53:00 <aquatix> t_s_o: heh, i know that feeling
Aug 11 18:53:01 <kulve> there's no pigdin for diablo?
Aug 11 18:53:02 <nemo> Stskeeps|mirc: or bios boot?
Aug 11 18:53:06 * RST38h crosses qwerty's fingers
Aug 11 18:53:14 <aquatix> kulve: there is; the collabora one at least
Aug 11 18:53:24 <summatusmentis> RST38h: the software update thing?
Aug 11 18:53:28 <RST38h> yep
Aug 11 18:53:37 <summatusmentis> it was an wasy install
Aug 11 18:53:42 <summatusmentis> mine worked fine
Aug 11 18:53:44 <qwerty12_N800> Ouch! I'm telling my mom now about what RST38h did.
Aug 11 18:53:45 <summatusmentis> easy*
Aug 11 18:53:50 <Stskeeps|mirc> nemo: this isn't x86 :)
Aug 11 18:54:19 <Stskeeps|mirc> nemo: boot strap process goes through NOLO, then x-loader, that loads a linux kernel and runs a /sbin/init in a initfs in flash
Aug 11 18:54:26 <zap> X-Fade: repository.maemo.org is an akami cluster? Machines in the cluster are unsynchronized...
Aug 11 18:54:34 <Stskeeps|mirc> which then proceeds after a bit of fiddling, to start up OS2008
Aug 11 18:54:43 <zap> X-Fade: that's the cause of Packages being different for me and you
Aug 11 18:55:10 <Stskeeps|mirc> nemo: normally it's possible to reflash all of it if it breaks down, or parts of it
Aug 11 18:55:47 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps|mirc: does x-loader actually do anything? it's stored in the same partition as Nolo which is just a binary blob
Aug 11 18:56:09 <RST38h> qwerty: http://www.all-about-halloween.com/stephen-lynch-halloween.html
Aug 11 18:56:10 <Stskeeps|mirc> qwerty12_N800: no clue.. i should use my law-gained right to reverse engineer it sometime
Aug 11 18:57:24 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: hehe, i wait until halloween
Aug 11 18:57:31 <Stskeeps|mirc> qwerty12_N800: it's prolly second-third stage boot loader or something
Aug 11 18:57:48 <qwerty12_N800> Stskeeps|mirc: reverse engineer nokias server :p
Aug 11 18:57:49 <Stskeeps|mirc> strings on /dev/mtd0 was interesting, i recall.. or mtd1
Aug 11 18:58:50 <qwerty12_N800> cat /proc/mtd is a nice way of seeing what's what
Aug 11 18:59:12 <t_s_o> heh, one good thing, it does not take long for the flasher to finish :P
Aug 11 19:02:02 <melmoth> X-Fade: ping ?
Aug 11 19:10:30 <liri> ugh... liferea isn't in the repos
Aug 11 19:12:40 <RST38h> What do I see? Do I see a *stable* Modest?!?
Aug 11 19:12:44 <RST38h> No, it can't be
Aug 11 19:13:15 <Stskeeps|mirc> they fixed the futexes? ;>
Aug 11 19:13:29 <RST38h> It updates both mailboxes?!?
Aug 11 19:13:43 <RST38h> Sts: Wait, let's keep qwerty's fingers crossed for a day or two
Aug 11 19:14:03 <RST38h> If it does not crash and burn, then it is fixed
Aug 11 19:16:18 <brontide> Do we have an updated highspeed/rotation kernel yet?
Aug 11 19:16:29 <RST38h> Heh, looks like Apple shuts out any iPhone applications that try making use of vibration feature
Aug 11 19:16:42 <RST38h> How come I know why? ;)
Aug 11 19:16:52 <RST38h> brontide: Not yet, wait
Aug 11 19:17:13 <brontide> rule of least surprise ( accoring to apple ) you might think you were getting a call
Aug 11 19:17:43 <RST38h> Nope
Aug 11 19:17:55 <qwerty12_N800> RST38h: they don't want it to be marketed in red light district
Aug 11 19:18:04 <brontide> So when you repeatedly crash headlong into a wall you might get confused *roleyeyes*
Aug 11 19:18:11 <RST38h> Vibration mechanism is the only moving part in a phone. As result, when used often, it wears out and dies.
Aug 11 19:18:37 <aquatix> and *gasp* we can't have broken iphones!
Aug 11 19:18:43 <RST38h> [Also refer to Symbian/S60 vibration API - you will see how Nokia is trying to prevent the breakage]
Aug 11 19:18:46 <Stskeeps|mirc> RST38h: i thought it was for VibratorApp
Aug 11 19:18:51 <Stskeeps|mirc> for the women.
Aug 11 19:19:01 <aquatix> Stskeeps|mirc: bit overpriced vibe
Aug 11 19:19:03 <brontide> Either way I think all of this SDK/store/kill list stuff can only boost NIT's
Aug 11 19:19:07 <RST38h> Sts: overpriced, yes
Aug 11 19:19:26 <RST38h> NIT is a niche product, no competition to iPhone
Aug 11 19:19:26 <Stskeeps|mirc> hey, people bought that "I'm Rich" thing :P
Aug 11 19:19:59 <RST38h> Sts: Not "people". Apple cultists
Aug 11 19:20:00 <brontide> Yeah, the iBod is only $70 http://www.ohmibod.com/indexJump.html
Aug 11 19:20:12 <RST38h> Sts: Those are hardly sentioent human beings
Aug 11 19:21:19 <Stskeeps|mirc> what other commercial apps exist for Maemo other than for instance GarnetVM?
Aug 11 19:21:26 <Stskeeps|mirc> if it's even commercial
Aug 11 19:21:34 <brontide> Navigation add-on
Aug 11 19:21:36 <RST38h> Maps!
Aug 11 19:21:42 <Stskeeps|mirc> ah
Aug 11 19:21:42 <dougt> anyone know why microb uses -fno-unit-at-a-time?
Aug 11 19:21:50 <brontide> Skype, gizmo ( commercial, but free apps )
Aug 11 19:22:05 <Stskeeps|mirc> well i meant as expensive as in beer
Aug 11 19:22:05 <Stskeeps|mirc> :P
Aug 11 19:22:06 <brontide> Fring
Aug 11 19:33:34 <qwerty12_N800> X-Fade: any idea when kernel-source-diablo  2.6.21-200823maemo6.tar.gz  will be updated to 2.6.21-200829maemo?
Aug 11 19:35:34 <disq> qwerty12_N800: hey, do you have any idea about if we could mod the headset detector to work for other nokia headset button music control thingies? it's not in retu-headset.c or in that dir
Aug 11 19:36:34 <qwerty12_N800> disq: no idea, sorry
Aug 11 19:36:45 <disq> i have an ad-44 controller which has 7 buttons, a hold switch and a 3.5mm 4-pin jack
Aug 11 19:45:45 <RST38h> what is pidgin-data? Anyone knows?
Aug 11 19:48:50 <brontide> RST38h: "This package contains architecture-independent supporting data files required for use with pidgin, such as documentation, icons, translations, and sounds."
Aug 11 19:50:19 <RST38h> Why is the new version so large though?
Aug 11 19:50:32 <RST38h> It takes 15+MB of disk space
Aug 11 19:50:38 <brontide> dunno, I don't use pidgin
Aug 11 19:51:17 <Stskeeps|mirc> RST38h: it includes full text-to-speech for finnish users prolly
Aug 11 19:51:18 <Stskeeps|mirc> :P
Aug 11 19:54:08 <RST38h> umgh
Aug 11 19:56:10 <bef0rd> ;_;
Aug 11 20:25:31 <Guest18754> anyone around, I am messing around with scratchbox and the maemo SDK and could use some help
Aug 11 20:25:38 <Guest18754> ?
Aug 11 20:31:52 <andre___> Guest18754, don't ask to ask, just ask and be patient. this is irc :)
Aug 11 20:33:29 <remex> Hello
Aug 11 20:34:05 <andre___> hej hej.
Aug 11 20:34:43 <bef0rd> this is the internet!
Aug 11 20:42:44 <steri> I thought at this is SPARTAAA!
Aug 11 20:43:19 <GeneralAntilles> andre___, what's the internal ticket about for that dependency bug?
Aug 11 20:45:21 <GeneralAntilles> Assuming it's actually about the dependencies rather than needing to push an SSU update, then the only way it could be "fixed" is by shipping a FIASCO image that either includes those packages or has an osso-software-version that doesn't depend on them.
Aug 11 20:48:02 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, it's just a copy of your report ;-)
Aug 11 20:48:07 <andre___> that's how it currently works :-/
Aug 11 20:51:05 <eichi> what does the 2008* package update changelog is?
Aug 11 20:51:56 <andre___> eichi: how do you mean?
Aug 11 20:52:48 <eichi> there was a 0s2008 feature update...what does this mean? browser and email client
Aug 11 20:52:48 <eichi> ?
Aug 11 20:53:10 <eichi> operation system updates
Aug 11 20:53:26 <eichi> i want to see the changelog
Aug 11 20:55:16 <andre___> i don't think the ChangeLog is public for all modules (if you really refer to a ChangeLog)
Aug 11 20:55:39 <andre___> but you can see the list of packages to update in the application manager if you click on details before installing
Aug 11 20:55:56 <Cptnodegard> muahahahahahaha
Aug 11 20:56:02 * Cptnodegard declares himself genius
Aug 11 20:56:04 <Cptnodegard> http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800la1.jpg
Aug 11 20:58:23 <eichi> andre___, many of my applets are now away...
Aug 11 20:58:46 <andre___> e.g.?
Aug 11 20:59:35 <eichi> the weather applet
Aug 11 20:59:44 <eichi> and the calendar
Aug 11 21:04:17 <andre___> eichi: i wonder if there's an official page listing the updated packages... anyway, maybe it helps tracking down: http://www.gnome.org/~aklapper/maemo/4.2008.30-2-updates-list
Aug 11 21:06:11 <eichi> damn, are all my installed applications away....what the f*
Aug 11 21:07:53 <andre___> eichi: just to clarify: you were running Diablo before and have installed today's available updates?
Aug 11 21:08:07 <eichi> yes
Aug 11 21:09:12 <andre___> hmm, bad. now i wonder if other people have also run into this issue...
Aug 11 21:12:09 <GeneralAntilles> Did hildon-desktop just crash? :\
Aug 11 21:14:35 <eichi> damn my dual boot menu is away too
Aug 11 21:14:42 <aquatix> GeneralAntilles: my crystal globe says `yes'
Aug 11 21:17:23 <eichi> i dont like maemo...allways problems... :(
Aug 11 21:17:38 <GeneralAntilles> eichi, sell it and move on then.
Aug 11 21:18:47 <eichi> GeneralAntilles, its the only small linux device i know, if there would be some equal with other distribution i would do that
Aug 11 21:19:37 <bef0rd> put linux on it
Aug 11 21:19:56 <mat> mmm, I just began the update... let's hope I won't loose everything as well :p
Aug 11 21:20:10 <eichi> mat, do you have dual boot ?
Aug 11 21:20:11 <GeneralAntilles> You wont.
Aug 11 21:20:14 <GeneralAntilles> He didn't.
Aug 11 21:20:31 <eichi> its only if you use dual boot with boot from sd
Aug 11 21:22:06 <GeneralAntilles> andre___, on a sidenote, just copying over bugs like that one into the internal for the sake of copying them over seems like a good way to encourage more shitty Nokia participation. :\
Aug 11 21:22:33 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, yeah, it doesn't improve things at all. but just stopping that doesn't either
Aug 11 21:23:30 <andre___> i'm going to have a meeting with some nokia folks in two weeks, hope we can agree on some stuff to improve. in the long term this must stop, sure
Aug 11 21:24:46 <eichi> someone did update with dual boot system?
Aug 11 21:25:39 <GeneralAntilles> andre___, if we can get them to look at bugzilla, maybe at least you could figure out a way to syndicate relevant bugzilla bugs into the internal tracker?
Aug 11 21:26:28 <GeneralAntilles> Rather than having two identical reports, one with lots of blathering from ill-informed users and one with useful chatter from Nokia engineers, bugzilla bugs that would normally be duped into the internal tracker would instead be syndicated there so the Nokia engineers don't get to hide.
Aug 11 21:26:42 * GeneralAntilles is really bored with the whole setup. . . .
Aug 11 21:26:49 <mat> (I'm not using dual boot and update worked fine)
Aug 11 21:27:53 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, heh... yes and no. In the internal tracker there's a lot more of stuff with regard to versions, hardwares, internal testing links, and some parts of that i guess shouldn't be public (at least not in early stages)... that is the problem.
Aug 11 21:29:00 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia needs to pull its head out of its own ass and learn how to work in the community.
Aug 11 21:29:11 <GeneralAntilles> Otherwise all the hot air about openness is exactly that.
Aug 11 21:29:21 <andre___> totally right
Aug 11 21:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> It'd be nice if we could get the managers behind the change.
Aug 11 21:30:06 <andre___> but you can't get that done from one day to the next. you have to talk to people and convince them
Aug 11 21:30:11 <andre___> and show them the advantages
Aug 11 21:30:25 <GeneralAntilles> Two years of trying has resulted in very little.
Aug 11 21:30:30 <GeneralAntilles> It wears thin after a while. ;)
Aug 11 21:30:49 <andre___> i can understand that (though i myself don't know much about the last two years)
Aug 11 21:33:10 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, but you need arguments... "having things open is better" won't work, it's more the "get in touch with your passionate community (and beta-testers) to get things done faster" :)
Aug 11 21:33:44 <GeneralAntilles> It's seemingly impossible to get to people inside of Nokia, though. :\
Aug 11 21:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> The few people that are in the open are already convinced.
Aug 11 21:34:17 <GeneralAntilles> So talking at them wont do anything
Aug 11 21:34:34 <GeneralAntilles> Goes back to the communication issue
Aug 11 21:35:20 <GeneralAntilles> I mean, Quim is great and all, but having one choke point like that doesn't work.
Aug 11 21:35:38 <andre___> No, that's why the maemo community people have some discussions (personal, or email) with managers (me too) to change their thinking
Aug 11 21:35:57 <andre___> no, quim on his own of course can't change the entire company culture :)
Aug 11 21:37:29 <milhouse> @andre - thanks for the update on bug 2770 (/dev/urandom etc.), I didn't want to spam the whole thread with a "Thank you, you're wonderful" post :)
Aug 11 21:37:38 <milhouse> thread => bug report
Aug 11 21:38:29 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tablet_OS#SSU
Aug 11 21:38:31 <andre___> milhouse, heh, sure...
Aug 11 21:38:32 * GeneralAntilles sighs.
Aug 11 21:38:35 <GeneralAntilles> God I hate him so much.
Aug 11 21:39:12 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=212534&postcount=80
Aug 11 21:39:16 <GeneralAntilles> Slow damn clipboard
Aug 11 21:39:32 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody please pick that bullshit apart.
Aug 11 21:39:35 <GeneralAntilles> I'm too tired.
Aug 11 21:39:45 <milhouse> +1 successful system update! that was rather smashing. :)
Aug 11 21:40:18 <GeneralAntilles> AbelMN has the incredible ability to say the dumbest crap.
Aug 11 21:40:35 <andre___> to comment on that I should have actually taken a look at the ITt wiki before :)
Aug 11 21:40:43 <GeneralAntilles> It's shit.
Aug 11 21:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, I did a lot of the work to make it less shitty.
Aug 11 21:40:58 <GeneralAntilles> But it's still shit.
Aug 11 21:41:47 <GeneralAntilles> The "ZOMG THIS IS ALL TOO TECHNICAL N U GUYZ R ASSHOLES" line is getting to me.
Aug 11 21:42:42 <andre___> ah well... calm down, relax, get a beer (or swap the timezone if it's too early) :)
Aug 11 21:42:47 <milhouse> andre - regarding nokia versions, hardwares, internal testing links etc., how is it that other public projects successfully keep sensitive/private bug reports hidden in their public bugzilla? Is this not "safe" enough for Nokia, when it seems safe enough for Mozilla to restrict access to their security bugs etc.
Aug 11 21:43:43 <andre___> milhouse, Mozilla does not ship hardware. That's a huge difference
Aug 11 21:43:57 <milhouse> what about security bugs affecting 10m+ users?
Aug 11 21:44:30 <milhouse> or have i just missed your point?
Aug 11 21:44:32 <andre___> don't know if mozilla has a non-disclosure policy or not
Aug 11 21:45:15 <andre___> milhouse, it's quite often that there are special mailing lists for security bugs to inform (linux) distributions to ship an update at the same day, and not make the bug public before
Aug 11 21:45:16 <milhouse> i don't know either, but I know that the Mozilla bugzilla has private bugs that are restricted access, Logitech/Slim Devices (hardware manufacturer) have private bugs etc.
Aug 11 21:45:41 <milhouse> I struggle to understand why Nokia is so "special" or "different" here
Aug 11 21:46:29 <milhouse> re special mailing lists - the bugs are opened up once the bug is fixed/released... Nokia could do the same with their bugs once the hardware is released/announced etc.
Aug 11 21:46:32 <andre___> indeed, that's what i want to find out too. definitely because there's also hardware involved, and maybe because some stuff, e.g. links to the testing infrastructure, is probably also something considered secret
Aug 11 21:46:50 <nemo> milhouse: big companies aren't good on flexibility or unknowns
Aug 11 21:47:04 <andre___> having private bugs is not the issue here. it's more about the whole bug life cycle management includes parts that aren't considered to be made public i guess
Aug 11 21:47:27 <andre___> and discussing why people (deciders) consider some stuff secret is what it's about
Aug 11 21:47:53 <andre___> if you can convince them that it doesn't need to be secret it's good. but that's not easy
Aug 11 21:47:57 <milhouse> ok, well maybe you're right - but other projects seem to get around it just fine, and not mickey mouse projects but large one, hardware ones, etc.
Aug 11 21:48:08 <bef0rd> OT: is gmail down atm?
Aug 11 21:48:24 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly there are some things Nokia needs to keep secret
Aug 11 21:48:26 <andre___> milhouse, give me examples, the more knowledge, the easier to convince them when having meetings or exchanging mail
Aug 11 21:48:38 <GeneralAntilles> but clearly the scope of what they keep secret now is far too broad.
Aug 11 21:48:41 <milhouse> bef0rd: yep, seems to be down here (UK)
Aug 11 21:48:55 <milhouse> bef0rd: "Information is temporaryily unavailable" on my iGoogle
Aug 11 21:49:01 <GeneralAntilles> Make it simple, open source things track in bugzilla, closed things in the internal tracker.
Aug 11 21:49:08 <andre___> GeneralAntilles, right. and some of the things that even i see part of being secret are currently part of a bug's life in the internal tracker, unfortunately
Aug 11 21:49:22 <GeneralAntilles> The code is there for all to see, and the bugs should be too.
Aug 11 21:49:24 <andre___> sure, that's what i also want to propose
Aug 11 21:49:47 <milhouse> andre: Logitech/Slim Devices operate a bugzilla with restricted access bugs (can't give you any #'s but I came across one the other day which said "Restricted, naff off" or words to that effect) http://bugs.slimdevices.com/
Aug 11 21:50:01 <GeneralAntilles> Time wasted on stupid administrative overhead syncing between internal and external is a good argument.
Aug 11 21:50:03 <andre___> definitely +1. just need to look at more internal bug tickets from totally open projects and which info is in there that might be argument of discussion to *not* do it
Aug 11 21:50:06 <milhouse> Slim Devices ship hardware, Squeezeboxes, Transformers, Duets etc.
Aug 11 21:50:14 <milhouse> Mozilla is the other one, of course
Aug 11 21:50:14 <GeneralAntilles> Slows down bug diagnosis and fixing.
Aug 11 21:50:40 <bef0rd> milhouse, thanks!
Aug 11 21:50:54 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, gotta pick my folks up from the airport.
Aug 11 21:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> Later all.
Aug 11 21:51:03 * GeneralAntilles steps back, relaxes.
Aug 11 21:51:15 <milhouse> andre: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50788&highlight=secret
Aug 11 21:51:28 <milhouse> KDF is one of the Slim Devices developers (but not an employee)
Aug 11 21:51:31 <andre___> again, i don't think you can compare mozilla. they don't ship hardware, they don't have "commercial testing cycles" (or however to express)
Aug 11 21:52:08 <andre___> and mozilla will not get sued if they ship broken software, while i guess that nokia might be afraid of that. (just guesses.)
Aug 11 21:52:49 <andre___> milhouse, the problem can't be solved by having secret bugs
Aug 11 21:52:54 <milhouse> no, but what I was getting at was how secure the mechanism is to protect bugs - is it reliable and not easy to hack? If it's reliable then Nokia could potentially use it - if Mozilla use this mechanism to restrict access to security related bugs then I'm pretty sure it's quite reliable
Aug 11 21:53:19 <andre___> the problem right now is that *every* internal report includes some info that some "deciders" consider to be not public
Aug 11 21:53:25 <milhouse> andre: maybe so, but it's also about removing the barriers to getting the nokia developers involved
Aug 11 21:53:40 <milhouse> grrrrr... management. :)
Aug 11 21:53:44 <andre___> heh :)
Aug 11 21:54:38 <andre___> err... it is reliable, we use it in GNOME too. but it has nothing to do with the problem we discuss here :)
Aug 11 21:54:55 <andre___> we can't set ALL bugs to private ;-)
Aug 11 21:55:49 <andre___> ...but that's a good discussion here, it helps me collecting arguments and getting some thoughts and opinions. thanks :)
Aug 11 21:56:26 <andre___> bef0rd, fyi several people in the gnome irc channels say that they can't access gmail too
Aug 11 21:59:06 <wiza> is there any release notes about today's updates?
Aug 11 21:59:16 <wiza> map/feature upgrade?
Aug 11 21:59:58 <milhouse> crikey, changelogs have been promised for so long now
Aug 11 22:00:39 <andre___> i can offer you the list of updated packages, and querying maemo bugzilla for resolved bugs with target milestone 4.1+ set
Aug 11 22:01:28 <milhouse> andre: pulling bug refs from bugzilla would be a good start - that's what we've been asking for a long, long time (at one point it was promised, about 3 releases ago I think...)
Aug 11 22:01:40 <milhouse> although do we actually know these bugs have been fixed?
Aug 11 22:02:12 <milhouse> i always got the impression that the process was a little "chaotic", possibly because of the two tracking systems...
Aug 11 22:02:12 <andre___> it should be correct. otherwise you can blame me in lots of cases ;-)
Aug 11 22:02:19 <milhouse> never :)
Aug 11 22:02:46 <andre___> it would be also chaotic when only having one tracking system, i promise you ;-))
Aug 11 22:03:39 <milhouse> there's a mail thread discussing the upstream issues, but tracking our own bugs shouldn't be an onerous task
Aug 11 22:03:55 <andre___> mail thread? where?
Aug 11 22:05:28 <milhouse> here we are - I think I know the annoying weaselbag who kicked it off... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20045?nohighlight=1#20045
Aug 11 22:08:33 <andre___> i'm confused - what mailing list is that? it doesn't seem to be maemo-developers@maemo.org
Aug 11 22:08:54 <milhouse> it is - it's a different format
Aug 11 22:09:10 <milhouse> it must be syndicated
Aug 11 22:09:17 <andre___> why isn't that in the archives in http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers then?
Aug 11 22:09:23 <milhouse> should be...
Aug 11 22:09:28 <andre___> i'm subscribed to maemo-developers@maemo.org
Aug 11 22:09:36 <andre___> and i haven't seen those postings
Aug 11 22:09:40 <andre___> what the
Aug 11 22:10:01 <andre___> oops.
Aug 11 22:10:06 <andre___> ok.
Aug 11 22:10:09 <milhouse> :)
Aug 11 22:10:10 <andre___> all is 2007, sorry
Aug 11 22:10:15 <andre___> i somehow read 2008
Aug 11 22:10:21 <milhouse> yep - 18 months ago... hah! 2008? :)
Aug 11 22:10:38 <andre___> i'm a newbie, bare with me :)
Aug 11 22:10:50 <milhouse> nah, this has been a topic that surfaces with every release... probably since the earliest days
Aug 11 22:10:53 <andre___> maybe time to renew that topic
Aug 11 22:11:13 <milhouse> sounds like a great idea
Aug 11 22:11:56 <milhouse> a jakub alluded to, a simple list of bugs based on target milestones shouldn't be too hard to produce - but would be a leap forward in terms of what we've been getting since the first releases.
Aug 11 22:12:05 <milhouse> s/a/as/
Aug 11 22:12:05 <infobot> milhouse meant: as jakub alluded to, a simple list of bugs based on target milestones shouldn't be too hard to produce - but would be a leap forward in terms of what we've been getting since the first releases.
Aug 11 22:13:50 <andre___> https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&target_milestone=4.1%2B&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED should list the public bugs fixed in today's update
Aug 11 22:14:06 <andre___> uhm. no, have to correct myself
Aug 11 22:14:21 <andre___> some of them have been fixed after week 30 when the update was pacakged
Aug 11 22:14:38 <milhouse> andre! get it together!!
Aug 11 22:14:42 <milhouse> woops
Aug 11 22:14:45 <andre___> heh
Aug 11 22:15:16 <milhouse> ah well... but at least you're in the loop, maybe going forward we can work towards producing a list with each release?
Aug 11 22:15:40 <milhouse> can you narrow your query by date as well?
Aug 11 22:15:48 <milhouse> pre week 30 etc?
Aug 11 22:15:58 <andre___> you can
Aug 11 22:18:22 <andre___> https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Software&target_milestone=4.1%2B&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=2008-07-31&chfield=resolution
Aug 11 22:18:27 <andre___> but that's also not perfect, garrr
Aug 11 22:19:23 <milhouse> I'm going to have to leave you to it - getting late here and I haven't had my dinner... :)
Aug 11 22:19:38 <andre___> heh. i'm also going to leave for today...
Aug 11 22:19:50 <milhouse> would it be possible to publish the bugs (quim?) once you have a definitive list? at some point, whenever you're ready...
Aug 11 22:20:22 <andre___> quim is on vacation for the rest of the month, but it may be a good topic for tomorrow evening's sprint meeting - wanna join?
Aug 11 22:20:26 <milhouse> i think that would help raise visibility of bugzilla too, and maybe spur people on to use it more
Aug 11 22:20:43 <milhouse> i'll try - what's the format - irc?
Aug 11 22:20:45 <milhouse> time?
Aug 11 22:20:46 <andre___> https://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4
Aug 11 22:20:51 <andre___> 1900 UTC
Aug 11 22:21:11 <milhouse> oh god, what's that in UK time?
Aug 11 22:21:13 <milhouse> :)
Aug 11 22:21:21 <milhouse> are we utc or gmt right now i have no idea!
Aug 11 22:21:27 <milhouse> it's 23:21 here now
Aug 11 22:21:44 <milhouse> s/gmt/bst/
Aug 11 22:21:49 <andre___> UTC is 22:21 for you
Aug 11 22:22:21 <andre___> so it's tomorrow at 20:00 in the UK :-P
Aug 11 22:22:22 <milhouse> ok, so 20:00 BST - cool
Aug 11 22:22:52 <andre___> well, probably it's just boring. but getting more community involved is always good...
Aug 11 22:23:22 <milhouse> if i can make it home in time i'll drop by
Aug 11 22:23:42 <milhouse> should be there if all goes to plan
Aug 11 22:23:46 <milhouse> right, dinner time - night all!
Aug 11 22:23:59 <andre___> enjoy your meal, gnight
Aug 11 22:27:33 <t_s_o> typical that my isp should have trouble right now
Aug 11 22:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> ~changelog
Aug 11 22:55:46 <infobot> [changelog] dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile whatever.deb | tar xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz' | gzip -d | less
Aug 11 22:55:51 <GeneralAntilles> ~change-log
Aug 11 22:55:58 <GeneralAntilles> ~diabl-changelog
Aug 11 22:56:01 <GeneralAntilles> ~diablo-changelog
Aug 11 22:56:02 <infobot> it has been said that diablo-changelog is Announcement: http://tinyurl.com/6k7q7q Version chart: http://tinyurl.com/5duv6t Bugzilla: http://tinyurl.com/68bffr Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/4wafha
Aug 11 23:11:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe, Karel finally lost it.
Aug 11 23:15:31 <t_s_o> funny, after the reflash the maemo extra repo was disabled
Aug 11 23:15:48 <t_s_o> "finally"? i figure that person was long gone...
Aug 11 23:15:49 <GeneralAntilles> Reflash or SSU upgrade?
Aug 11 23:15:55 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Aug 11 23:16:30 <GeneralAntilles> OK, he's finally really lost it and started flailing around at innocent bystanders like a madman. ;)
Aug 11 23:18:33 <t_s_o> reflash after a borked ssu upgrade...
Aug 11 23:19:38 <dougt> is there any reason to not upgrade to diablo?
Aug 11 23:20:49 <GeneralAntilles> dougt, well, there are lots of reasons for lots of things. ;)
Aug 11 23:20:54 <GeneralAntilles> But my short answer is, no.
Aug 11 23:21:03 <dougt> okay.
Aug 11 23:21:05 <GeneralAntilles> Especially not with 30-2 being out and MicroB getting such a boost.
Aug 11 23:21:30 <dougt> what do you mean, MicroB getting such a boost.
Aug 11 23:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> It's a lot more responsive opening, closing and switching windows
Aug 11 23:21:53 <dougt> ah
Aug 11 23:21:54 <GeneralAntilles> and browsing is just a touch faster overall.
Aug 11 23:22:05 * timelyx chuckles
Aug 11 23:22:39 <timelyx> andre___: i'm going to pull xrefs for the new diablo eventually, it'll take me a bit
Aug 11 23:23:44 <timelyx> until then, i'm not going to verify code bugs
Aug 11 23:24:47 <timelyx> dougt: in general, unless you've installed lots of third party software which you don't think has been updated yet, you should update
Aug 11 23:24:57 <timelyx> it's the same as w/ the iPod or iPhone
Aug 11 23:25:00 <timelyx> or Firefox
Aug 11 23:25:07 <dougt> timelyx: :-)
Aug 11 23:25:21 <timelyx> as long as any 'interesting' or 'critical' addons are still supported in the newer version, upgrade!
Aug 11 23:25:25 <dougt> just got that cable i was missing at the summit
Aug 11 23:25:32 <timelyx> :)
Aug 11 23:25:41 <dougt> they are hard to find here.
Aug 11 23:25:46 <dougt> had to order it from amazon.
Aug 11 23:25:56 <timelyx> btw, i really wanted to spend more time talking, you never demo'd that device: (
Aug 11 23:26:29 <dougt> yeah, i know.
Aug 11 23:26:33 <dougt> it went way to quick.
Aug 11 23:26:39 * timelyx nods
Aug 11 23:26:42 <dougt> did you take the bus on friday?
Aug 11 23:26:54 <timelyx> 11pm on thursday
Aug 11 23:27:12 <timelyx> but i left the dinner w/ dave who needed to catch the 10pm
Aug 11 23:27:21 <dougt> 10am?
Aug 11 23:27:34 <timelyx> pm
Aug 11 23:27:44 <dougt> i took the 3am without sleeping prior.
Aug 11 23:27:50 <dougt> it was not a fun trip back home.
Aug 11 23:27:57 <timelyx> i'm pretty sure we slept on the bus
Aug 11 23:28:04 <dougt> don't remember?
Aug 11 23:28:05 <timelyx> however i also slept when i arrived in LA
Aug 11 23:28:30 <timelyx> well, i think laura remembers being amused by me sprawled out across 3+chairs (+aisle)
Aug 11 23:28:53 <dougt> nice.
Aug 11 23:29:12 <dougt> no pictures.
Aug 11 23:29:15 <timelyx> i know she slept, and i suspect i wasn't awake when she noticed me like that
Aug 11 23:29:21 <timelyx> hey, at least i found my camera
Aug 11 23:29:27 <timelyx> i had put it in one of my bags :o
Aug 11 23:29:29 <dougt> grats.
Aug 11 23:29:40 <timelyx> sadly, i left my suit jackets in the hotel room
Aug 11 23:29:48 <dougt> btw, i made it through security and onto a plane w/ a full tube of toothpaste.
Aug 11 23:30:06 <dougt> (i didn't know i packed that big of a tube)
Aug 11 23:30:12 <timelyx> heh
Aug 11 23:30:18 * dougt wonders if I am now on a watch list.
Aug 11 23:30:22 <timelyx> i don't think i'll mention anything i didn't do right
Aug 11 23:30:35 <dougt> probably a safe idea.
Aug 11 23:30:37 <dougt> say...
Aug 11 23:31:03 <dougt> why do you build microb stuff with no-unit-at-a-time
Aug 11 23:31:19 <timelyx> most of those optimizations were picked by people who had no clue
Aug 11 23:31:26 <timelyx> and in testing using gecko default options was better
Aug 11 23:31:38 <timelyx> the other reason historically has been that the compiler was really flaky
Aug 11 23:34:17 <crashanddie> dougt, you're on the ATF watch list, that's for sure !
Aug 11 23:34:19 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, you happen to know the 30-2 tablet browser release version off the top of your head?
Aug 11 23:34:47 <GeneralAntilles> The about: page still hasn't been updated for 30-2. . . .
Aug 11 23:35:08 <timelyx> nope, that's what debian is for
Aug 11 23:35:23 <timelyx> dpkg / apt-cache or something
Aug 11 23:35:26 <t_s_o> ugh, where oh where did x hide its keyboard layouts again. i keep forgetting :(
Aug 11 23:35:32 <timelyx> as i told andre___, i haven't pulled xref yet
Aug 11 23:35:42 <dougt> crashanddie: oh, that atf thing is for something else.... i helped with crypto stuff when it was pretty illegal to ship anything without going through alot of pain.
Aug 11 23:35:49 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: as usual, we're finding out about releases after you guys do :)
Aug 11 23:36:07 <GeneralAntilles> Nice. . . .
Aug 11 23:36:23 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, osso-browser                                     3:2.1.5-1
Aug 11 23:36:35 <timelyx> crashanddie: that's a meta package
Aug 11 23:36:37 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, bzzt
Aug 11 23:36:37 <timelyx> not very useful
Aug 11 23:36:45 <timelyx> he probably wants microb-engine
Aug 11 23:36:57 <timelyx> or tablet-browser-*
Aug 11 23:37:06 <crashanddie>  microb-engine                                    1.0.4-60.14
Aug 11 23:37:31 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: if you mean have we moved gecko tags, i can't remember
Aug 11 23:37:33 <GeneralAntilles> "1.0.4" on wikipedia
Aug 11 23:37:38 <timelyx> the plan says we move to 3.0.1 at some point
Aug 11 23:37:53 <GeneralAntilles> I guess I should update the release date, at least. . . .
Aug 11 23:37:55 <timelyx> anyway, it's late
Aug 11 23:38:08 <timelyx> late... it's really late
Aug 11 23:38:20 <crashanddie> dougt, I thought it was for the magic 9 mil casing that suddenly started appearing in your neighbourhood
Aug 11 23:38:41 <crashanddie> dougt, thought, thanks, I'll tag your file with "update needed"
Aug 11 23:38:50 <dougt> :-)
Aug 11 23:38:52 <dougt> no problem.
Aug 11 23:38:52 <crashanddie> s/t,/,/
Aug 11 23:38:52 <infobot> crashanddie meant: doug, thought, thanks, I'll tag your file with "update needed"
Aug 11 23:38:56 <dougt> and it is a 40 cal. i use.
Aug 11 23:38:58 <crashanddie> djeezus
Aug 11 23:38:59 <dougt> :-)
Aug 11 23:39:08 <crashanddie> ~lart infobot
Aug 11 23:39:08 * infobot turns crashanddie into a lifesized tux doll
Aug 11 23:39:16 <crashanddie> AAAAAARGGGGGH
Aug 11 23:39:31 <GeneralAntilles> bot-pwned
Aug 11 23:39:35 * crashanddie slams liqbase down infobot's throat
Aug 11 23:40:27 <dougt> searching on http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ is busted.
Aug 11 23:40:41 <timelyx> there are 2 other search engines
Aug 11 23:40:49 <timelyx> the older one was gronmeyer (?)
Aug 11 23:40:57 <GeneralAntilles> gronmayer.com/it
Aug 11 23:41:03 <GeneralAntilles> Does not include Diablo repositories.
Aug 11 23:41:29 <GeneralAntilles> ferenc is working on a packages.maemo.org that may be live sometime before the summit. :P
Aug 11 23:41:30 <timelyx> ouch
Aug 11 23:41:44 <timelyx> does the other repo tracker handle diablo?
Aug 11 23:42:01 <GeneralAntilles> The Diablo repos could be added to gronmayer
Aug 11 23:42:21 <GeneralAntilles> but I'm disinclined to do it myself, as it only encourages more usage of system-breaking 3rd-party repositories.
Aug 11 23:42:50 <GeneralAntilles> site:http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo will work for you.
Aug 11 23:43:37 <GeneralAntilles> timelyx, Pack Rat was down last time I checked.
Aug 11 23:43:58 <GeneralAntilles> http://ageofikon.info/packrat/
Aug 11 23:44:02 <GeneralAntilles> It's back up, I guess.
Aug 11 23:44:19 <GeneralAntilles> Or maybe not
Aug 11 23:44:33 * GeneralAntilles stabs rm_you.
Aug 11 23:44:39 <GeneralAntilles> ~pack-rat is http://ageofikon.info/packrat/
Aug 11 23:44:40 <infobot> okay, GeneralAntilles
Aug 11 23:44:45 * rm_you is stabbed
Aug 11 23:44:56 * rm_you fixes
Aug 11 23:46:26 <rm_you> ima turn off cron
Aug 11 23:46:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, if only Maemo Software had that sort of response time. :p
Aug 11 23:46:34 <rm_you> it won't update automatically, but... that was breaking it instantly
Aug 11 23:46:37 <rm_you> so
Aug 11 23:46:39 <rm_you> whatever
Aug 11 23:46:44 <rm_you> i'll update it manually every week or so
Aug 11 23:46:52 <rm_you> until i figure out why it breaks
Aug 11 23:47:29 <rm_you> I are packing
Aug 11 23:47:45 <rm_you> erk MySQL is broken i think
Aug 11 23:47:47 <rm_you> that seems to be the issue
Aug 11 23:48:27 <rm_you> it breaks... sometimes?
Aug 11 23:48:28 <rm_you> so weird
Aug 11 23:55:34 <t_s_o> and things are back to normal...
Aug 11 23:56:14 <t_s_o> even my gpe calendar stuff have survived, nice :D
Aug 11 23:57:08 <t_s_o> even tho it seems i have a older version, before the crash bug fix...
Aug 11 23:57:20 <t_s_o> extra devel next i guess...
Aug 12 00:13:02 <t_s_o> hmm, did the media player get a slight interface update?
Aug 12 00:29:03 <t_s_o> hmm, i do hope that nokia makes a in hardware way for future tablets to boot of a SD card or similar
Aug 12 00:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> t_s_o, recovery mode?
Aug 12 00:36:08 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that would be rather cool
Aug 12 00:36:26 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, there _IS_ a recovery mode that's been implemented as part of SSU.
Aug 12 00:36:35 <t_s_o> yep, maybe with some way to do a serial terminal pr usb or something ;)
Aug 12 00:36:41 <GeneralAntilles> I have no idea how it's activated, nor how it works, though.
Aug 12 00:36:46 <t_s_o> figures
Aug 12 00:37:03 <GeneralAntilles> I've only heard it mentioned twice.
Aug 12 00:37:12 <GeneralAntilles> So it may not be entirely up-to-speed, though.
Aug 12 00:38:01 <t_s_o> ok
Aug 12 00:39:23 <t_s_o> still, with how much the backups store of settings and other data, doing a reflash is not that much of a issue any more
Aug 12 00:39:40 <t_s_o> annoying, but not much of a checklist
Aug 12 00:40:04 <t_s_o> i see that the app manager will even tell you its a good idea to do a backup and supply a button for it so
Aug 12 00:41:11 <t_s_o> my major issue was that is had the lib issue and tried to use -unlocked via apt-get. that resulted in some error or other and dead wifi...
Aug 12 00:41:12 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: you mean the ability of the processor to boot of the SD card in place of the NAND?
Aug 12 00:53:35 <t_s_o> hmm, super soaker with ice cubes. pass the vodka ;)
Aug 12 00:55:32 <t_s_o> meh, off to bed
Aug 12 01:04:31 <GAN800> ds3, well, anything really.
Aug 12 01:05:07 <GAN800> Something that'd be easy for newbies to use and worked with the shipped software set preferably.
Aug 12 01:12:59 <ds3> GAN800: the feature I am thinking of is far not newbie friendly
Aug 12 01:13:04 <ds3> s/far//
Aug 12 01:13:04 <infobot> ds3 meant: GAN800: the feature I am thinking of is  not newbie friendly
Aug 12 01:26:15 <ryoohki> has nokia said when the n810 wimax version is coming out?
Aug 12 01:27:12 <GAN800> ryookhi, 'summer 2008'
Aug 12 01:27:33 <GAN800> It's highly dependent on Sprint getting their shit together, though.
Aug 12 01:32:32 <mikkov_> and that is dependent on when ex Nokia Networks get's their shit together?
Aug 12 01:32:42 <mikkov_> gets
Aug 12 01:46:27 <Capn_Fish> My system just updated, as did the initfs. Since I'm running Debian off of my SD card, that's no good, so I went to reflash it, but fanoush's initfs flasher says "unknown initfs version 2008-29" How can I flash my initfs back so I can use Debian?
Aug 12 01:47:22 <trev0r> doesn't debian run really slow
Aug 12 01:47:32 <Capn_Fish> No
Aug 12 01:47:37 <Capn_Fish> It runs quite nicely
Aug 12 01:47:55 <Capn_Fish> It's FAR superior to Maemo
Aug 12 01:48:59 <trev0r> really?
Aug 12 01:49:38 <trev0r> weird
Aug 12 01:49:50 <Capn_Fish> What makes you think it's slow?
Aug 12 01:50:18 <trev0r> on what, n810?
Aug 12 01:50:31 <Capn_Fish> Ya
Aug 12 01:51:23 <trev0r> lack of ram and a slow cpu i would think
Aug 12 01:52:00 <aspect> what makes it superior to Maemo?
Aug 12 01:53:07 <Capn_Fish> You can pick your WM, you can run standard apps on it, there's more software available for it, it gets regular updates, etc.
Aug 12 01:53:11 <Capn_Fish> Take your pick
Aug 12 01:53:35 <aspect> they're all good reasons :)
Aug 12 01:53:50 <trev0r> what browser do you use in it
Aug 12 01:53:53 <Capn_Fish> Oh, and readily available onboard development tools
Aug 12 01:53:56 <Capn_Fish> Epiphany-gecko
Aug 12 01:54:03 <Capn_Fish> With Flash support :)
Aug 12 01:54:15 <aspect> lack of hildon might be a bit annoying, but I'm sure that can be worked around with a bit of effort
Aug 12 01:54:32 <Capn_Fish> Debian HAS Hildon packages, not that I'd want them
Aug 12 01:54:42 <aspect> only onboard development tool I want is tcl/tk ... bugger compiling on a pocket device :)
Aug 12 01:54:54 <Capn_Fish> Nah. It's not too bad
Aug 12 01:54:59 <trev0r> how's the speed ?
Aug 12 01:55:06 <Capn_Fish> Better than on a Zaurus
Aug 12 01:55:09 <trev0r> of ghe browser
Aug 12 01:55:23 <Capn_Fish> I'd say on par, maybe a little slower, than the default in Maemo
Aug 12 01:59:50 <trev0r> groovy
Aug 12 02:00:07 <Capn_Fish> It is quite nice
Aug 12 02:01:17 <Capn_Fish> http://trac.tspre.org/projects/deblet
Aug 12 02:01:20 <Capn_Fish> Have fun
Aug 12 02:10:30 <Capn_Fish> Oh, I just needed to download the latest initfs_flasher from fanoush's site :P
Aug 12 02:46:26 <smackpotato1> 4.2008.23-14 am i missing a repository
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