**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 14 02:59:57 2008
Aug 14 03:00:46 <Mace_> hm
Aug 14 03:01:20 <Mace_> awesome... thanks
Aug 14 03:04:03 <GeneralAntilles> The sad thing about Table Scene is that a lot of the inaccuracies over there will go uncorrected
Aug 14 03:04:19 <GeneralAntilles> since very few of the active tablet people are actually participating.
Aug 14 03:05:09 <m_a_r_k> can someone direct me to the os2008 repository for gpe-calendar ?
Aug 14 03:06:36 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Frepository.maemo.org+gpe-calendar+diablo&btnG=Search
Aug 14 03:08:25 <m_a_r_k> Thanks GeneralAntilles - That looks like install packages - I am looking for source code. I want to start working on making some improvements.
Aug 14 03:09:47 <GeneralAntilles> The sources for everything in Diablo Extras are in Diablo Extras. :\
Aug 14 03:09:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/source/g/gpe-calendar/
Aug 14 03:53:20 <desrt> is there a tablet tech support channel?
Aug 14 03:54:52 * desrt is crashing on bootup and wants to avoid flashing
Aug 14 04:29:13 <moontiger> can somebody tell me how to get sbox actually working?
Aug 14 04:29:37 <moontiger> everytime i start the emulator i get a whole list of error messages saying that none of the home applets can be loadede
Aug 14 04:29:47 <moontiger> and the hildon-home folder doesnt exist
Aug 14 04:29:52 <moontiger> its reallt annoying
Aug 14 04:29:59 <moontiger> reallt = really
Aug 14 04:30:03 <moontiger> thnx
Aug 14 04:56:18 <RST38h> moo all
Aug 14 04:56:32 <RST38h> moontiger: screw the sbox. Debug on real device.
Aug 14 04:57:32 <moontiger> how do i do that? you mean xfer it and run it on the n810?
Aug 14 05:01:09 <GAN800> moo, RST38h
Aug 14 05:22:17 <johnx_> moontiger, those error messages are normal. Nokia doesn't include a lot of the stuff that ships on the device in scratchbox
Aug 14 05:27:36 <moontiger> oh right ... great ... thnx johnx
Aug 14 05:27:38 <moontiger> :)
Aug 14 05:30:48 <mouser-_> I'm looking for the pidgin/telepathy plugin that blinks the LED on a new message.  I used to have it but I can't find it in the diablo repositories.
Aug 14 05:31:58 <GAN800> site:http://repository.maemo.org/extras led pidgin
Aug 14 05:42:44 <ezham> hi guys. I want to ask this question on #esbox but seems deserted. I install esbox using the eclipse software update, it couldn't find the scratchbox build target, both 1 & 2.
Aug 14 05:43:13 <ezham> playing around with workspace & installed path and still not working
Aug 14 05:43:48 <ezham> using debian 4 & diablo.
Aug 14 05:59:18 <moontiger> has anyone seen khertan?
Aug 14 05:59:38 <GeneralAntilles> Yesterday
Aug 14 06:01:30 <timely> moontiger: use the mozilla vmware image :)
Aug 14 06:02:50 <moontiger> timely ... nah ... its cool thnx ... i dont like vmware stuff ... too clunky
Aug 14 06:03:05 <moontiger> can i ask a general python gtk question?
Aug 14 06:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> timely, you catch my question in the scrollback?
Aug 14 06:08:24 <timely> GeneralAntilles: you don't like the Maemo Software product names? :(
Aug 14 06:08:50 <GeneralAntilles> I don't like the generic ones.
Aug 14 06:08:58 <GeneralAntilles> I _like_ MicroB, Modest, etc.
Aug 14 06:09:31 <timely> yeah well...
Aug 14 06:09:45 <timely> do you understand my reasons for picking generics?
Aug 14 06:09:57 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Aug 14 06:10:20 <timely> if the various things actually grow big enough to merit their own products, they're welcome to pick real names
Aug 14 06:10:34 <timely> but that of course means someone needs a decent guided page that helps people figure out app code names
Aug 14 06:10:46 <timely> hopefully we can upgrade to a bugzilla which supports icons for products
Aug 14 06:11:01 <timely> which would let us assign a globe or a microb logo to the browser/microb product
Aug 14 06:11:03 <timely> etc.
Aug 14 06:12:00 <timely> so are bugzilla classifications public for the world?
Aug 14 06:12:07 <timely> or are we waiting for andre__?
Aug 14 06:12:09 <GeneralAntilles> Not yet.
Aug 14 06:12:15 <GeneralAntilles> Or maybe they are
Aug 14 06:12:20 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not really sure at the moment.
Aug 14 06:12:26 <GeneralAntilles> I don't _think_ they are
Aug 14 06:12:35 <GeneralAntilles> Waiting on guenther to finish up the templates. . . .
Aug 14 06:12:37 <timely> it's too much work for me to check
Aug 14 06:12:48 <GeneralAntilles> "Add to Sidebar (requires a Mozilla browser like Mozilla Firefox)"
Aug 14 06:12:53 <GeneralAntilles> ^ that seems wrong.
Aug 14 06:13:02 <timely> well um
Aug 14 06:13:18 <timely> what;s wrong w/ it? other than the fact that it doesn't work in microb (which is arguably a bug)
Aug 14 06:13:54 <GeneralAntilles> Seems marginally awkward and redundant.
Aug 14 06:13:54 <timely> i think our motto is "the web with no excuses"
Aug 14 06:13:58 <timely> and that's part of the web
Aug 14 06:15:21 <timely> well... if you can suggest something better, file a bug in bmo (the real one) :)
Aug 14 06:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> "(requires Firefox 2 or Internet Explorer 7)"
Aug 14 06:15:50 <GeneralAntilles> Is the Mozilla one.
Aug 14 06:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> GNOME doesn't seem to mention it.
Aug 14 06:17:11 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, guess it's fine.
Aug 14 06:17:33 <timely> http://mxr.mozilla.org/bugzilla/search?string=to+sidebar
Aug 14 06:17:41 <GeneralAntilles> mxr looks nice with the new favicon
Aug 14 06:17:55 * timely nods
Aug 14 06:18:06 <timely> maemo.org looks ugly w/ the wrong favicon
Aug 14 06:18:10 <timely> is there a bug to fix it?
Aug 14 06:18:21 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, was just about to file one.
Aug 14 06:18:28 <timely> (they should just use mine)
Aug 14 06:18:36 <timely> note that hires favicons do have benefits
Aug 14 06:18:53 <timely> ctrl-tab in firefox3.1 will show you a hires icon w/ skew
Aug 14 06:19:40 <GeneralAntilles> Any objections to me filing a single bug for all services?
Aug 14 06:20:11 <timely> it's just maemo.org:website, right?
Aug 14 06:20:18 <timely> oh
Aug 14 06:20:32 <timely> err.. file a bug in website and then list all the things that need to be fixed
Aug 14 06:20:34 <GeneralAntilles> Well, bugzilla, wiki, maemo.org, garage, and downloads are technically separate.
Aug 14 06:20:52 <timely> if someone doesn't fix them all, file bugs against the stragglers later
Aug 14 06:21:21 <timely> note that there is some benefit to distinct icons for various services
Aug 14 06:21:32 <timely> mozilla.org stopped using just the dino head for *.mozilla.org recently
Aug 14 06:22:21 <timely> planet seems to have standard dino, but bugzilla and mxr get big bug/big binocs w/ small dino
Aug 14 06:23:02 <timely> (it helps if you want to find some tab)
Aug 14 06:23:48 * timely sighs
Aug 14 06:23:52 * timely hates end users
Aug 14 06:24:02 <timely> we say "what shows up in about:crashes"
Aug 14 06:24:18 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3578
Aug 14 06:24:20 <timely> they instead write a long tirade saying that various things seem to cause crashes on their random computer
Aug 14 06:24:46 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Aug 14 06:24:53 <timely> fwiw, i basically just "made" the favicon, it was listed in the brand page
Aug 14 06:24:59 <timely> but it wasn't actually available in a consumable form
Aug 14 06:25:29 <GeneralAntilles> dneary may or may not have something better.
Aug 14 06:25:37 <GeneralAntilles> I should probably cc one of the indt guys on that one.
Aug 14 06:25:48 * GeneralAntilles checks if handful has an account.
Aug 14 06:26:31 <timely> i showed you how to do searches w/o editusers, right?
Aug 14 06:26:48 <timely> (of course, iirc i gave you editusers, which means you don't need to...)
Aug 14 06:26:52 <timely> hi _al_
Aug 14 06:26:54 <timely> hi _marcell_
Aug 14 06:27:03 <_marcell_> hi timely
Aug 14 06:27:08 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the CC field thing, right?
Aug 14 06:27:25 <timely> yep
Aug 14 06:27:38 <timely> wanna fix GeneralAntilles's pet bug? :)
Aug 14 06:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, he doesn't seem to have an account.
Aug 14 06:28:25 <GeneralAntilles> _marcell_, sorry about the corrections bug spam. :)
Aug 14 06:28:41 <_marcell_> no probelm
Aug 14 06:29:04 <GeneralAntilles> Is it just me, or did the announcements and news on the front page suddenly get REALLY old?
Aug 14 06:29:16 <timely> GeneralAntilles: it'll be a great day when you actually have to worry about spamming people from bugs.maemo
Aug 14 06:29:38 <timely> it's from the 8th and 10th
Aug 14 06:29:40 <timely> we're on the 14th..
Aug 14 06:29:49 <GeneralAntilles> Weird
Aug 14 06:29:59 <_marcell_> there are some issues with the site. rss feed aggregation seems to be broken, new users are not synced from garage to maemo.org... plenty of things to fill my day. :)
Aug 14 06:30:03 <GeneralAntilles> It was all from June there for a minute.
Aug 14 06:31:02 * GeneralAntilles should pull a Cartman and freeze himself until the server upgrades are done.
Aug 14 06:42:56 <moontiger> now its *really* borked :|
Aug 14 07:00:01 <GeneralAntilles> qwerty12, you want an icon for rootsh?
Aug 14 07:01:02 <qwerty12> GeneralAntilles, That would be nice, thank you. I'd just have to see if replacing my ssh keys will work.
Aug 14 07:02:08 <GeneralAntilles> 26x26 isn't much to work with, but I was thinking a tablet showing a black screen with a big white # might work.
Aug 14 07:02:44 <qwerty12> Yep, that sounds great, go for it please.
Aug 14 07:03:20 <GeneralAntilles> I'll see if I feel up to it on one of my computers here, if not, 2 weeks until I get back to school and a real machine.
Aug 14 07:03:40 <qwerty12> Ok, no problems.
Aug 14 07:03:48 * qwerty12 has 2 weeks before I'm back off to school
Aug 14 07:04:12 <teamcobra> qwerty12, nice work on android-installer. btw :)
Aug 14 07:04:28 <qwerty12> teamcobra, the installer is penguinbait's :)
Aug 14 07:04:58 <teamcobra> meh, I'm 6 sheets -> wind, it's 3am ;) I stand corrected
Aug 14 07:08:31 <moontiger> teamcobra: 3am? where are you?
Aug 14 07:09:33 <teamcobra> Indiana, US
Aug 14 07:09:51 <moontiger> ahhhhhhhh of course ... the other way to what i was thinking
Aug 14 07:09:54 <moontiger> heh
Aug 14 07:11:25 <teamcobra> heh, Canadian Club and tom collins night ;)
Aug 14 07:11:53 <moontiger> sounds good :)
Aug 14 07:12:56 <moontiger> i have to get some sleep ... teaching again tomorrow ... nn all :)
Aug 14 07:13:42 <teamcobra> night moontiger :)
Aug 14 07:44:25 * rm_you is back, now Texas style.
Aug 14 07:44:42 * qwerty12 says hello London style. With a gun. :P
Aug 14 07:45:03 <rm_you> I thought everyone just used knives in the UK :P
Aug 14 07:45:22 <qwerty12> True, it depends on my mood :D
Aug 14 07:48:01 <GAN800> rm_you, your package was causing some weirdness with SSU, I recommend a more unique nam
Aug 14 07:48:04 <GAN800> e
Aug 14 07:49:43 <rm_you> rofl?
Aug 14 07:49:45 <rm_you> srsly?
Aug 14 07:49:51 <rm_you> did they take my package name?
Aug 14 07:50:50 <GAN800> Some people installed it accidentally, I think
Aug 14 07:51:05 <GAN800> But it's not clear enough that it's something else.
Aug 14 07:54:39 <liri> is the emulator on scratchbox able to simulate icons on the system tray?
Aug 14 07:54:56 <RST38h> who knows? who cares?
Aug 14 07:55:29 <liri> because I want to put up a small program which sits there and it'd be easier to test it on scratchbox
Aug 14 07:57:02 <timeless> scratchbox emulates everything that isn't kernel/audio
Aug 14 07:57:16 <timeless> the default sdk includes an icon in the tray
Aug 14 07:57:32 <timeless> (i include flash in audio..)
Aug 14 07:57:34 <liri> odd as I don't see it (I'm using the maemo vmware sdk)
Aug 14 07:57:49 <RST38h> scratchbox can't even emulate the open-file dialog
Aug 14 07:57:58 <liri> heh
Aug 14 07:58:11 <RST38h> so I wouldn't rely on it too much
Aug 14 07:58:29 <liri> is there a sample code (C/GTK+) for that system tray icon?
Aug 14 07:58:41 <RST38h> liri: A moment
Aug 14 07:59:05 <liri> RST38h: thanks
Aug 14 08:00:32 <RST38h> https://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-0-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html
Aug 14 08:02:08 <rm_you|> GAN800: ah yes, really what needs to happen is I need to update it with the new versions of osso-software-version-rx##-unlocked
Aug 14 08:02:52 <wzhou> hi there, N810 on screen keyboard did not come out, when I double click the screen in Notes, what's happeN?
Aug 14 08:05:02 <lcuk> wzhou, for the 810 you need to look UNDERNEATH the screen and you will find a little slider area - if you slide it out you will discover an off screen keyboard
Aug 14 08:05:27 * terbo hugs the off screen keyboard
Aug 14 08:06:10 <befr0d_> I believe he wants to use the screen thumb keyboard :P
Aug 14 08:06:36 <terbo> lcuk, what package do i install to get the off screen keyboard on my N800?
Aug 14 08:06:55 <befr0d_> wzhou, check Control Panel -> Text Input settings -> On Screen tab
Aug 14 08:09:25 <wzhou> lcuk: I just saw the 'abc' bar, no full kbd layout
Aug 14 08:09:47 <wzhou> befr0d_: yes, i see the tab, how to set?
Aug 14 08:10:30 <befr0d_> wzhou, what is your current value for 'Launch finger keyboard:' ?
Aug 14 08:10:59 <befr0d_> wzhou, by the way, do you want to use the 'full screen' finger keyboard, or the stylus keyboard?
Aug 14 08:11:05 <liri> I think maemo's registration process is all weird
Aug 14 08:11:11 <wzhou> befr0d_: with finger
Aug 14 08:11:40 <wzhou> befr0d_: what is the stylus keyboard? half size of the full screen?
Aug 14 08:12:05 <befr0d_> uhm like 40%
Aug 14 08:12:10 <befr0d_> 30% maybe
Aug 14 08:13:06 <wzhou> befr0d_: ok, let's see the stylus first, ok?
Aug 14 08:13:29 <liri> RST38h: are you sure about that link? I'm unable to access it
Aug 14 08:15:34 <befr0d_> wzhou, enable the first check box on that tab
Aug 14 08:16:47 <qwerty12> liri, if you have the file Maemo_Diablo_Reference_Manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf, the same content is in that too
Aug 14 08:17:15 <liri> uhmm, let me see
Aug 14 08:17:19 <wzhou> befr0d_: the same
Aug 14 08:17:37 <wzhou> befr0d_: only 'abc' bar, no stulys kbd
Aug 14 08:17:49 <befr0d_> meh, am I the only one that believe I should not need to tap 'save' twice to receive a file through bluetooth?
Aug 14 08:17:52 <wzhou> befr0d_: need i reboot the tablet?
Aug 14 08:18:00 <befr0d_> wzhou, do you have the built in keyboard open?
Aug 14 08:18:11 <liri> well I did find this https://garage.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/tags/maemo_4.1/ which seems to be a handful of useful examples, I'll go through it
Aug 14 08:18:15 <wzhou> befr0d_: not sure, how to check it?
Aug 14 08:18:40 <befr0d_> wzhou, can you see the Keyboard?
Aug 14 08:18:55 <liri> anyway I meant the icon in the system tray as in where the battery icon is, not where the contacts/applications
Aug 14 08:18:56 <befr0d_> I mean, the Hardware keyboard
Aug 14 08:19:24 <wzhou> befr0d_: yes, does it affair?
Aug 14 08:19:43 <wzhou> befr0d_: oh, god, you save me
Aug 14 08:19:49 <befr0d_> wzhou, yes, it needs to be closed for the onscreen keyboard to appear
Aug 14 08:20:12 <wzhou> befr0d_: really thanks for your kindness:)
Aug 14 08:20:24 <befr0d_> no problem.
Aug 14 08:20:36 <wzhou> befr0d_: ^O^
Aug 14 08:22:36 <wzhou> befr0d_: another more question, i can use the full screen kbd now, how to use the stylus one?
Aug 14 08:23:17 <befr0d_> Control Panel -> Text Input settings -> On Screen
Aug 14 08:23:22 <befr0d_> Enable the first check box
Aug 14 08:23:35 <befr0d_> and use the stylus to tap on the input area
Aug 14 08:24:13 <wzhou> befr0d_: yes!
Aug 14 08:25:36 <wzhou> befr0d_: I checked the 'Enabled stylus input methods', then chose the 'Launch finger keyboard' -> 'With finger', it's ok now
Aug 14 08:26:19 <befr0d_> yea, it's supposed to detect if you tapped with a finger or the stylus, and brings the appropriate screen kbd
Aug 14 08:28:08 <wzhou> befr0d_: oh, i see, 'full screen kbd' is called 'finger kbd', 'stylus screen kbd' is called 'stylus screen kbd', aha
Aug 14 08:29:58 <befr0d_> yep
Aug 14 08:29:58 <GAN800> vkb, actually
Aug 14 08:34:32 <Roman__> hi
Aug 14 08:34:35 <Roman__> everybody
Aug 14 08:34:36 <Roman__> :)
Aug 14 08:35:03 <Roman__> i have a question about the maemo vncviewer and if you can help me it will be great
Aug 14 08:35:11 <befr0d_> hi
Aug 14 08:36:05 <Roman__> i want to run vncviewer on ARM linux platform i.MX31
Aug 14 08:36:21 <Roman__> is it possible can you tell me
Aug 14 08:36:30 <Roman__> i have linux 2.6.22
Aug 14 08:36:35 <Roman__> arm-linux-gcc
Aug 14 08:37:45 <befr0d_> have you tried to compile realvnc's source code?
Aug 14 08:39:36 * GAN800 loves it wheb two short presses on esc are interpreted as a long press.
Aug 14 08:41:34 <RST38h> Roman: It is possible.
Aug 14 08:44:03 <Khertan> Hi !
Aug 14 08:44:32 * Khertan is thinking of integrating a bug report to his mCalendar and mContacts applications
Aug 14 08:45:08 <Roman__> RST38h, can you tell me which i the better choice, to take the maemo vncviewer or to take realvnc's ?
Aug 14 08:45:38 <Roman__> or if someone can give me advise which is better choice
Aug 14 08:46:21 <aquatix> good morning all
Aug 14 08:47:26 <Khertan> hi aquatix
Aug 14 08:47:55 <befr0d_> maemo's vncviewer uses hidon, which is not standard
Aug 14 08:48:09 <befr0d_> I mean, It probably is not installed on your box..
Aug 14 08:48:33 <Roman__> no i have only X11 Qtopia
Aug 14 08:49:10 <befr0d_> s/hidon/hildon/
Aug 14 08:49:31 <RST38h> Roman: Take RealVNC
Aug 14 08:50:23 <qwerty12> Talking about vnc clients, fbvnc doesn't agree with the N800...
Aug 14 08:50:49 <Roman__> hm..
Aug 14 08:50:59 <Roman__> okey i will see RealVNC
Aug 14 08:51:06 <Roman__> i have another question
Aug 14 08:51:31 <Roman__> can i run maemo browser on ARM and is it have flash support ?
Aug 14 08:52:18 <GAN800> Not legally
Aug 14 08:52:29 <GAN800> and probably not at all, really.
Aug 14 08:52:35 <befr0d_> You can use gnash
Aug 14 08:52:36 <befr0d_> :P
Aug 14 08:53:54 <Roman__> the problem is that i need web browser+flash support. I ported arora but don't have flash support.
Aug 14 08:54:01 <Roman__> befr0d, what is gnash
Aug 14 08:54:11 <befr0d_> www.google.com/search?q=gnash
Aug 14 08:54:14 <Roman__> GAN800, why not legally :)
Aug 14 08:54:15 <GAN800> ~google
Aug 14 08:54:15 <infobot> somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/
Aug 14 08:54:31 <GAN800> Because Flash is only being licensed for Nokia tablets
Aug 14 08:55:04 <GAN800> and what you're working with is clearly not a Nokia device
Aug 14 08:59:43 <Roman__> hm...
Aug 14 09:00:10 <Roman__> but the problem is that i don't know can firefox run on arm
Aug 14 09:00:27 <GAN800> Firefox can
Aug 14 09:01:57 <befr0d_> you know, its not the browser the one that will give you automatic flash support
Aug 14 09:02:31 <XTL> Flash is mob software. You want to use it, you pay. One way or another.
Aug 14 09:03:55 <Roman__> is this mean that if i want to link arora with gnash i don't need to recompile arora with somespecific options
Aug 14 09:04:40 <befr0d_> you need a browser with plugin support
Aug 14 09:05:26 <befr0d_> according to arora home page, it does not have it http://code.google.com/p/arora/
Aug 14 09:07:34 <XTL> "When compiled against WebKit trunk you get support for netscape plugins, including flash and youtube"
Aug 14 09:07:42 <XTL> (screenshots page)
Aug 14 09:08:07 <befr0d_> :)
Aug 14 09:08:21 <Roman__> :)
Aug 14 09:08:25 <Roman__> cery funny ;)
Aug 14 09:08:27 <Roman__> very
Aug 14 09:08:48 <qwerty12> I'm failing to see the joke.
Aug 14 09:09:08 <befr0d_> lol
Aug 14 09:09:26 <Roman__> i mean it is cool that i can link arora and gnash
Aug 14 09:09:35 <Roman__> that's why i said "very funny"
Aug 14 09:09:45 <Roman__> the english is not my strong side
Aug 14 09:09:46 <Roman__> :)
Aug 14 09:09:52 <XTL> :)
Aug 14 09:09:54 <qwerty12> Ah :)
Aug 14 09:12:34 <befr0d_> although, 'youtube' its not a different plugin :P
Aug 14 09:14:42 <tuukkah> there was some news that devices don't need a licence for flash anymore
Aug 14 09:16:37 <glass_> which devices and for which flash
Aug 14 09:16:54 <glass_> theres some license involved for sure
Aug 14 09:17:20 <glass_> but maybe not money per device sold involved
Aug 14 09:17:47 <glass_> flash lite used to be something like 10 bucks
Aug 14 09:18:33 <liri> are the following libraries available for the tablet? pygame, wxpython and libsdl?
Aug 14 09:18:52 <XTL> sdl at least
Aug 14 09:19:17 <befr0d_> pygame too
Aug 14 09:19:21 <XTL> yes
Aug 14 09:19:29 <liri> so sdl and pygame are available
Aug 14 09:19:34 <befr0d_> wxpython maybe
Aug 14 09:19:37 <XTL> wx might be somewhere
Aug 14 09:19:53 <befr0d_> I remember some screenshots of somebody porting it
Aug 14 09:20:22 <liri> here's a nice addon to the tablets: http://www.kibosh.org/pykaraoke/
Aug 14 09:21:26 <befr0d_> http://n770.herraiz.org/archives/18
Aug 14 09:30:40 <tuukkah> here's the press release: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200804/050108AdobeOSP.html
Aug 14 09:36:58 <liri> ugh
Aug 14 09:37:11 <liri> pygame is installed on scratchbox but still pykaraoke can't find it
Aug 14 09:37:19 <befr0d_> try
Aug 14 09:37:32 <befr0d_> python2.5 pykaraoke.py
Aug 14 09:38:26 <liri> the same
Aug 14 09:38:50 <liri> I'm running an updatedb there to locate where it's placed, maybe it's just not in the same locations where it's looking for it
Aug 14 09:40:37 <befr0d_> let me try it here
Aug 14 09:41:19 <befr0d_> oh, new sf.net design
Aug 14 09:41:22 <befr0d_> shiny
Aug 14 09:41:55 <samppa> hey, is it somehow possible to move my whole svn server to garage svn ?
Aug 14 09:43:40 <liri> shiny indeed
Aug 14 09:44:31 <XTL> Hm. I think it's the old new sf still.
Aug 14 09:44:41 <atka_> hi
Aug 14 09:44:43 <XTL> Openid logins, though
Aug 14 09:44:47 <atka_> i'm lost a link :$
Aug 14 09:45:00 <atka_> where can i download os2008he? :$
Aug 14 09:46:38 <befr0d_> tablets-dev.nokia.com
Aug 14 09:47:19 <liri> oh leet, looks like it's working :)
Aug 14 09:47:36 <befr0d_> liri, where did you get wxpython from?
Aug 14 09:47:49 <liri> it does complain about the pygame but it works, although I think it's only after I installed python2.5-dev (though dpkg had some problems with it)
Aug 14 09:47:54 <liri> befr0d_: I didn't
Aug 14 09:48:06 <liri> befr0d_: the pykaraoke_mini which is just the player doesn't need wxpython
Aug 14 09:48:12 <befr0d_> ah I see
Aug 14 09:48:26 <liri> befr0d_: the pykaraoke frontend gui needs it for drawing the windows of the playlist etc
Aug 14 09:48:46 <liri> befr0d_: but it's interesting to realize what made it work... grab the package and try running it too if you will
Aug 14 09:49:20 <befr0d_> yep
Aug 14 09:49:43 <befr0d_> those 2 warnings on pygame appear also with pyano
Aug 14 09:49:49 <befr0d_> so I believe its 'normal'
Aug 14 09:52:01 <atka_> befr0d, thanx, i lost an "s" ^^
Aug 14 09:52:45 <liri> befr0d_: so pykaraoke_mini is running without any additional installs?
Aug 14 09:53:29 <nomis> mhm, updated busybox.
Aug 14 09:53:51 <nomis> what is andre's nick?
Aug 14 09:54:05 <befr0d_> andre__
Aug 14 09:54:21 <atka_> tablets-dev.nokia.com is very slow.. :(
Aug 14 09:54:33 <nomis> andre__: I want to suggest the inclusion of the "wget" applet in busybox - should I file a bug?
Aug 14 09:56:38 <befr0d_> liri, yep, did you figure out how to add songs?
Aug 14 09:56:40 <nomis> Mhm, it probably won't stand the "features that are needed by normal users" test as described by eero.
Aug 14 09:56:44 * befr0d_ starts gedit
Aug 14 09:57:54 <liri> befr0d_: yep, adding songs is easy
Aug 14 09:58:19 <liri> befr0d_: you need to tell it to scan a dir, like: ./pykaraoke_mini --add-scan-dir=/opt/kar --scan
Aug 14 09:58:32 <liri> befr0d_: I can send over a sample .kar (karaoke) file which I found on the net
Aug 14 09:58:58 <liri> befr0d_: but there is another problem, it requires a midi device, I mimic it on my desktop with timidity so we need to install that also on the tablet
Aug 14 09:59:18 <befr0d_> oh
Aug 14 10:01:39 <liri> befr0d_: I'm going to launch
Aug 14 10:01:54 <liri> befr0d_: seems like timidity is also available here: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4&sort=hits&show_pck=141
Aug 14 10:02:06 <liri> befr0d_: keep me updated if you get it running
Aug 14 10:05:52 <liri> oh, no /dev/dsp because I'm on scratchbox and it doesn't emulate it
Aug 14 10:05:53 <liri> yuck
Aug 14 10:06:07 <liri> well befr0d, it's up to you now to test it :)
Aug 14 10:06:25 <XTL> timidity can be pretty heavy iirc
Aug 14 10:06:36 <XTL> I wonder if the tablet can sanely do it in realtime
Aug 14 10:07:01 <befr0d_> I'm checking timidity
Aug 14 10:07:20 <befr0d_> it seems to be on extras-devel for chinook
Aug 14 10:13:24 <rmrfchik> can anyone with latest update (30-2) paste "apt-cache policy osso-software-version-rx44"
Aug 14 10:19:47 <XTL> "Nothing special."   :-D
Aug 14 10:21:26 * terbo would love to .. but for some reason my system won't update
Aug 14 10:21:42 <sp3000> osso-software-version-rx44: Asennettu: 1:4.2008.30-2 Ehdokas: 1:4.2008.30-2 Versiotaulukko: *** 1:4.2008.30-2 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
Aug 14 10:22:21 <XTL> I have a matching -unlocked
Aug 14 10:24:10 <befr0d_> yay, 15 years of freedom
Aug 14 10:44:12 <_julian__> hi
Aug 14 10:45:32 <_julian__> I just try to flash my n800 to the diablo image, but when I run the flasher and power up the device by pressing home+power I only get:
Aug 14 10:45:33 <_julian__> http://paste.biz/paste-3314.html
Aug 14 10:45:40 <_julian__> then the flasher exits
Aug 14 10:45:43 <_julian__> any ideas what might cause that?
Aug 14 10:46:53 <lbt> does dmesg show the usb0 port
Aug 14 10:47:20 <_julian__> [350264.021693] usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 20
Aug 14 10:47:26 <_julian__> [350264.218005] usb 5-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
Aug 14 10:47:33 <_julian__> that is what is printed on connect in dmesg
Aug 14 10:47:35 <lbt> try: modprobe usbserial
Aug 14 10:47:47 <sp3000> before looking i'll guess you're missing something from the command line
Aug 14 10:48:06 <sp3000> after looking I agree with thatt guess :)
Aug 14 10:48:32 <lbt> no - dmesg should say : usb 5-1: cp2101 converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Aug 14 10:49:05 <lbt> _julian__: do you roll your own kernel?
Aug 14 10:49:37 <_julian__> lbt: no, running a stock ubuntu kernel.
Aug 14 10:49:43 <_julian__> cp2101 is available as module
Aug 14 10:49:54 <sp3000> _julian__: the flasher is silly, it doesn't tell you your arguments are bad
Aug 14 10:50:24 <lbt> modprobe cp2101 too then
Aug 14 10:50:38 <_julian__> ahhh, thanks sp3000 missed the -F
Aug 14 10:50:58 <_julian__> yup, flashing now
Aug 14 10:51:11 <sp3000> quite common, that :)
Aug 14 10:51:48 <lbt> yeah - I just saw Suitable USB device not found
Aug 14 10:52:03 <_julian__> ok, worked now. (c:
Aug 14 10:54:44 <sp3000> yeah, it says that and then waits for one to appear
Aug 14 10:56:16 <toma> hi, can i execute jar files on my n810, if so what do i need to install ?
Aug 14 11:01:44 <roadies> Ok please dont shot me, but has anyone gotten the scratchbox development environment to work under Fedora? particularly the "af-sb-init.sh start" command to work, Xephyr works and the Hello World program work?
Aug 14 11:04:40 <XTL> I think someone's tried that.
Aug 14 11:05:04 <XTL> Any specific error?
Aug 14 11:06:07 <rmrfchik> sp3000: can u paste your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
Aug 14 11:11:58 <Khertan> toma: no java vm
Aug 14 11:12:41 <toma> Khertan: oki, too bad, thanks
Aug 14 11:13:08 <XTL> too good
Aug 14 11:14:59 <lardman> does anyone know of a selection of avis of various small dimensions?
Aug 14 11:15:00 <roadies> XTL: lots of errors most I think dealing with remote displaying
Aug 14 11:15:05 <lardman> or shall I just convert some?
Aug 14 11:15:27 <toma> XTL: there is route navigation software in a jar, that would be good competition for Wayfinder
Aug 14 11:16:22 <roadies> XTL: my first gut reaction is the af-sb-init.sh is the problem and was wondering if someone had solved it
Aug 14 11:17:05 <XTL> roadies: Have you got anything to display on the Xephr from sb?
Aug 14 11:17:18 <XTL> Or xlsclients, xdpyinfo or such to work
Aug 14 11:17:51 <roadies> yes, the GUI version of the Hello World tutorial program works fine
Aug 14 11:23:13 <Jaffa> Khertan/toma: the Jalimo project is making good headway with making Java usable; and is already at the point of running Java apps not that slowly with auto-Hildonisation of SWT GUIs.
Aug 14 11:26:34 <lbt> spooky : http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/218052/government-proposes-internet-tracking.html
Aug 14 11:26:43 <lbt> Another example was given in which a UK citizen had been talking in an internet chatroom about self-harming, when local police tracked down his address via his IP number and ISP and intervened to save him.
Aug 14 11:26:52 <lbt> Ouch - that hurts
Aug 14 11:26:56 <lbt> ...
Aug 14 11:26:57 <lbt> ...
Aug 14 11:27:06 <lbt> hold on - someone at the door... bbl
Aug 14 11:42:55 <andre__> nomis, i'd rather suggest to include it in upstream busybox and file a bug over there
Aug 14 12:06:37 <roadies> what is the command line to select a target envir in scratchbox... all I recall is "select DIABLO_X86"  but more is needed...thanks
Aug 14 12:11:07 <eichi_> hello
Aug 14 12:11:39 <eichi_> some news about the maemo update and dual boot?
Aug 14 12:12:18 <eichi_> i dont want to have problems every time i update maemo with my system
Aug 14 12:15:17 <Blastur> hey.. anyone know why i get like ~4 MB/s when writing to my mem card via Linux, and only ~1 MB/s in Windows?
Aug 14 12:15:26 <Blastur> over USB that is..
Aug 14 12:15:35 <Blastur> takes forever to transfer stuff
Aug 14 12:23:58 <timeless> gan: so, amusing not
Aug 14 12:24:00 <timeless> e
Aug 14 12:24:04 <timeless> the flash thing is actually a bug
Aug 14 12:24:08 <timeless> and it's easily fixable
Aug 14 12:24:13 <timeless> i'll post a package shortly
Aug 14 12:25:03 <XTL> Blastur: same reader, or nit as reader?
Aug 14 12:25:17 <XTL> Both hosts have and support same usb version?
Aug 14 12:26:01 <lbt> eichi_: it's a pain :)
Aug 14 12:26:11 <lbt> I'm working through it at the moment...
Aug 14 12:26:57 <eichi_> lbt, thanks
Aug 14 12:26:58 <lbt> https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting would be a good place to document solutions...
Aug 14 12:28:34 <pvanhoof> Howcome when I run my app with run-standalone.sh that my GtkButton's images are gone?
Aug 14 12:29:29 <Khertan> pupnik_: are u here ?
Aug 14 12:29:57 <Khertan> pvanhoof: gtk theme on maemo specify gtk-image-button = no
Aug 14 12:31:18 <Khertan> if you want image button to come back just fix that with a gtk.settings_get_default().set_long_property("gtk-button-images",1,"")
Aug 14 12:31:31 <pvanhoof> aha ok
Aug 14 12:31:40 <pvanhoof> that's in vala already, cool
Aug 14 12:32:17 <nomis> andre__: there is a wget applet in busybox. It just needs to be configured in.
Aug 14 12:32:24 <pvanhoof> Oh no it isn't
Aug 14 12:33:01 <Khertan> no is python
Aug 14 12:33:07 <Khertan> s/is/it s
Aug 14 12:34:06 <andre__> nomis, ah okay. file an enhancement request then, we can evaluate that for fremantle
Aug 14 12:36:03 <baaba> can i really only use the exact addresses 192.168.2.14 and .15 for usb networking?
Aug 14 12:36:20 <baaba> or is that just an arbitrary choice for documentation
Aug 14 12:38:05 <XTL> Sounds like it
Aug 14 12:38:35 <XTL> 192.168.*/24 type ranges
Aug 14 12:38:56 <XTL> Could be a default of some sort, of course.
Aug 14 12:39:54 <timeless> anyone here use facebook?
Aug 14 12:39:56 <timeless> i need some testing
Aug 14 12:40:07 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/flash-player-r48-0.1.deb
Aug 14 12:40:23 <baaba> well mostly i'm concerned since i'm planning to have multiple devices in the same network through usb networking
Aug 14 12:40:58 <baaba> and being forced to use the pre-specified addresses sounds absurd but then the reference for diablo has the wording "has to be 192.168.2.14"
Aug 14 12:40:59 <Khertan> timeless: sorry ... :) just create a account ... and forgot it 2 minutes later :)
Aug 14 12:41:23 <Khertan> s/just/i ve just
Aug 14 12:42:18 <timeless> anyway, please try that
Aug 14 12:42:20 <timeless> it should work
Aug 14 12:42:27 <timeless> i'm not 100% certain about the uninstall behavior
Aug 14 12:42:38 <timeless> can someone please check me on that?
Aug 14 12:42:50 <timeless> the package is open source (i.e. you're free to read it)
Aug 14 12:42:58 <timeless> fwiw, it is correct, we checked
Aug 14 12:48:56 <timeless> khertan: so, test test? :)
Aug 14 12:51:24 <andre__> timeless: so, proposal is to have a 4.1.1 version and milestone (corresponding to 4.2008.30-2) and always using '4.1+' for any potential later updates for diablo, right?
Aug 14 12:51:40 <timeless> yep
Aug 14 12:52:00 <timeless> i think you might need a 4.1.2, i've kinda lost track of how many releases we've actually made :)
Aug 14 12:52:25 <timeless> you'll have to check some web site to figure that out
Aug 14 12:52:47 <timeless> oh, hopefully the target milestone link can tell you :)
Aug 14 12:52:58 <andre__> yeah, i liked that one. thanks for that :)
Aug 14 12:53:10 <andre__> though that page now needs an update for the ssu update
Aug 14 12:53:19 <timeless> yep
Aug 14 12:53:23 <timeless> "not my fault"
Aug 14 13:10:15 <lcuk> Jaffa, did you see this http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/13/1857241 :) made me smile.
Aug 14 13:10:18 * lcuk runs back to work
Aug 14 13:12:12 <_marcell_> maemo.org should be more stable now. Thanks to Bergie.
Aug 14 13:13:28 <Jaffa> dneary: excellent post on why a barrier to entry is a good thing
Aug 14 13:13:28 <bergie> _marcell_ actually, when I heard from Ferenc that the servers had moved...
Aug 14 13:13:43 <Jaffa> lcuk: I did :-)
Aug 14 13:13:44 <dneary> Jaffa: Thanks
Aug 14 13:13:55 * rmrfchik still can't upgrade to 30-2... please, paste default /etc/sources.list.d/*
Aug 14 13:14:40 <_marcell_> bergie: still, Niels and I had taken a look and could not figure it out...
Aug 14 14:05:24 <baaba> erf, how do i go into normal mode in vi on an n810 :P
Aug 14 14:06:58 <baaba> ah right nevermind, i'm kind of blind
Aug 14 14:36:32 <pupnik_> back Khertan
Aug 14 14:36:58 <Khertan> :)
Aug 14 14:38:16 <Khertan> bye
Aug 14 15:03:52 <RST38h> he he he hehe
Aug 14 15:07:10 <Khertan_n810> i m back
Aug 14 15:07:30 <aquatix> shush all!
Aug 14 15:08:03 <liri> I'll bug you again about the system tray icon example with a C/GTK code
Aug 14 15:09:49 <RST38h> liri <-- habitual bugger =)
Aug 14 15:10:06 <liri> definitely
Aug 14 15:10:11 <RST38h> btw, I have once created a clean project for the applet
Aug 14 15:10:25 <RST38h> qwerty12 was going to use it for porting Conky
Aug 14 15:10:35 <RST38h> I still have the project. Do you want it?
Aug 14 15:10:39 <liri> well I'm in a need for doing 2 apps
Aug 14 15:10:47 <liri> I need a custom language switch for the n810 hw keyboard
Aug 14 15:10:50 * qwerty12 is a stupid shit when it comes to programming
Aug 14 15:10:58 <Khertan_n810> someone know gdata.contacts ?
Aug 14 15:10:58 <liri> and I want a quick access applet for showing IP address and such
Aug 14 15:11:15 <Khertan_n810> liri > use homeip
Aug 14 15:11:27 <roadies> XTL, you still around
Aug 14 15:11:34 <RST38h> liri: Well, I can't write applets for you but I can give you a clean starting point project
Aug 14 15:11:44 <RST38h> Will need your email address for that
Aug 14 15:12:09 <Khertan_n810> you can also write home applet in python :)
Aug 14 15:14:14 <liri> I want my own :)
Aug 14 15:16:08 <liri> RST38h: yep, I want that project if you can email it or something
Aug 14 15:17:02 <liri> RST38h: my email: liran.tal@gmail.com
Aug 14 15:17:05 <liri> RST38h: thanks
Aug 14 15:28:12 <Jaffa> Hmm, interesting comment in http://dot.kde.org/1218543988/ about the Mozilla Qt port: "going to make Maemo use Qt in the future and we were making a browser bsaed on Mozilla for the N810, so now we are making this new browser version based on Qt". If Qt's an equal partner with Gtk, why spend the extra effort? Or is it a sign that Qt is going to become the favoured UI toolkit
Aug 14 15:29:13 <florian> Jaffa: quite likely, yes... :-(
Aug 14 15:34:43 <lardman> why likely?
Aug 14 15:35:05 <lardman> as someone who doesn't keep up with the battle of KDE vs Gnome
Aug 14 15:36:03 <florian> lardman: They own Qt now... and there are a lot more c++ coders inside Nokia that C and Python coders. Just keep in mind that Symbian is C++.
Aug 14 15:36:15 <lardman> yeah, good point
Aug 14 15:36:28 <lardman> Symbian is weird C++ though
Aug 14 15:37:12 <florian> yeah... its a big example what weird things you can do with C++ ;)
Aug 14 15:37:46 <lardman> :)
Aug 14 15:38:04 <manyoso> i wouldn't put too much into that
Aug 14 15:38:23 <lardman> on the page above, there's this Q&A: Do you think Mozilla will get rid of GTK? No, Mozilla will support officially only the ports they have a particular interest in. If it helps to expand their market they will be more interested.
Aug 14 15:38:25 <manyoso> anyways, does anyone have any good experience with the XSP X11 extension for getting pressure information?
Aug 14 15:38:29 <lardman> does that make sense to anyone?
Aug 14 15:38:44 <lardman> manyoso: page on the wiki?
Aug 14 15:39:00 <manyoso> What I've found is that enabling the XSP extension makes it so I never get any MotionNotify events
Aug 14 15:39:29 <manyoso> how do I enable it so that I am delivered both raw touchscreen events along with regular old MotionNotify events??
Aug 14 15:39:51 <lardman> dunno, but look at the souce and I'm sure you'll find out
Aug 14 15:40:11 <manyoso> not sure where the source is for this
Aug 14 15:40:28 <manyoso> i know where the headers are, but for libxsp0 itself... i'm not sure
Aug 14 15:41:31 <lardman> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/libx/libxsp/
Aug 14 15:54:16 <Khertan_n810> i m back ... again
Aug 14 15:54:58 <lardman> lol
Aug 14 15:55:00 <lardman> I'm off
Aug 14 16:18:03 <lardman> is X-Fade on holiday yet?
Aug 14 16:27:04 <lardman> ~lart alloca()
Aug 14 16:27:04 * infobot stuffs alloca() into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
Aug 14 16:28:26 <qwerty12> infobot: lame
Aug 14 16:29:08 <qwerty12> Can you teach infobot with your own ~larts?
Aug 14 16:31:56 <arachnist> ~lart batteries
Aug 14 16:31:56 * infobot shoves a crumpet down batteries's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that?
Aug 14 16:34:48 <qwerty12> ~curse fruit
Aug 14 16:34:49 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, fruit !
Aug 14 16:35:13 * moontiger lurks
Aug 14 16:35:24 <qwerty12> Infobot is dirty.
Aug 14 16:35:26 <qwerty12> "<infobot> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?""
Aug 14 16:35:33 <qwerty12> That website is a porno.
Aug 14 16:36:04 <befr0d_> ~x
Aug 14 16:40:00 <infobot> WARNING: qwerty12 has forced me to CTCP VERSION the channel!
Aug 14 16:40:00 <infobot> 
VERSION

Aug 14 16:40:11 <qwerty12> oops
Aug 14 16:40:11 <befr0d_> lol
Aug 14 16:40:19 <befr0d_> ~x en de your cars rock
Aug 14 16:40:22 <infobot> Ihr Autofelsen
Aug 14 16:40:28 <qwerty12> I run now
Aug 14 16:40:53 <CptLaptop> wtf is ctcp?
Aug 14 16:41:17 <Veggen> client-to-client-protocol.
Aug 14 16:41:19 <tank-man> irc command
Aug 14 16:41:36 <Veggen> A standardised way to send special messages/enquiries between clients.
Aug 14 16:41:44 <CptLaptop> stil ldoesnt tell me shit
Aug 14 16:41:47 <CptLaptop> :p
Aug 14 16:42:21 <Veggen> A "CTCP VERSION" request, for example, asks your client what version you are using.
Aug 14 16:42:31 <tank-man> get a dictionary? :) its a method for communitcation
Aug 14 16:42:32 <Veggen> A "CTCP TIME" asks what time it thinks it is.
Aug 14 16:43:16 <tank-man> dec 31, 1999,  11:59
Aug 14 16:43:18 <tank-man> :)
Aug 14 16:43:44 <Veggen> btw, I invented CTCP TIME, once upon a time. I just wanted to look at how ircII source code was built.
Aug 14 16:43:56 <Veggen> And ended up sending the patch to the maintainer, who included it.
Aug 14 16:44:16 <CptLaptop> seriousely?
Aug 14 16:44:19 <Veggen> yah.
Aug 14 16:44:22 <CptLaptop> nice :d
Aug 14 16:44:38 <Veggen> Didn't invent the CTCP protocol, though. I just wanted to study how it worked ;)
Aug 14 16:45:05 <CptLaptop> invent me a way to do .ics -> activesync
Aug 14 16:45:59 <manyoso> For those of you convinced that Mozilla is going to stay on N8xx series have a look at this: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2008-August/004629.html
Aug 14 16:46:25 <manyoso> pay special attention to the architecture diagram and you'll see that next version of Internet Tablet is likely to have some very cool new hardware
Aug 14 16:46:52 * manyoso notes the MultiTouch engine
Aug 14 16:47:09 <manyoso> it looks like Nokia already has a multi touch prototype device
Aug 14 16:47:44 <CptLaptop> i tried a acer aspire one today and thats obviously not the way to go ion portable computing
Aug 14 16:47:47 <CptLaptop> NITs ftw
Aug 14 16:47:58 <bef0rd> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/attachments/20080813/37420814/attachment.jpg
Aug 14 16:48:12 <Veggen> CptLaptop: dunno. I *do* need something mobile and a bit more powerful than the tablet.
Aug 14 16:48:27 <CptLaptop> tablet pc
Aug 14 16:48:30 <glass_> eee/one are ok for cheap small laptops
Aug 14 16:48:32 <CptLaptop> somethign thats not so cheap its crap
Aug 14 16:48:52 <glass_> but they're cheap small laptops and not internet tablets that go in pocket
Aug 14 16:49:06 <Veggen> I sometimes do result service for scout competitions far away from any internet connection. I think an eeepc type *could* be right for me.
Aug 14 16:49:49 <Veggen> I can drag my n810 all the time. I have returned to a stationary for home use. I have a powerful desktop-replacement-laptop for work, but I don't bother to drag it home.
Aug 14 16:50:00 <CptLaptop> i prefer my hacked together NIT keybaordthingy
Aug 14 16:50:10 <Veggen> I think an eepc could be right.
Aug 14 16:50:16 <bef0rd> manyoso, only webkit support? too bad for gecko :P
Aug 14 16:50:26 <CptLaptop> the aspire one KB sucked, and the eee one is evern smaller
Aug 14 16:50:36 <manyoso> oh i'm sure they have the nokia mozilla team working hard too
Aug 14 16:50:53 <manyoso> i'll bet they are competing internally and one will always be kept around as a fallback by nokia
Aug 14 16:51:27 <CptLaptop> this works just as well as a netbook for me, kb is better and i dont lose what makes the nit so useful - tablet mode for ebooks ans such http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/n800la1.jpg
Aug 14 16:51:41 <Veggen> but for dragging along on travels for the occational check of train timetables, hotels, maps and other information, the n810 *is* the perfect companion.
Aug 14 16:52:36 <CptLaptop> i use my nit at school when i dont care to drag my lappy. i dont feel it justified to spend 4000 NOK on replacing it with an AA1
Aug 14 16:52:58 <Kegetys> http://junk.kegetys.net/btkeyb.jpg I find this to be ok for mobility
Aug 14 16:53:18 <Kegetys> (wiimote is unrelated)
Aug 14 16:54:06 <CptLaptop> got a similar kb but doesnt have norwegian characters and its not very stable (meaning it moves around the desk if i press keys hard)
Aug 14 16:54:08 <jussio1> Hrm, having a small issue with my n800. try to go to download maps, it says I dont have enough space. however I cant find anywhere to change the download location to my wexternal memory card
Aug 14 16:54:22 <bef0rd> Kegetys, that's a bt keyboard, right?
Aug 14 16:54:27 <Kegetys> bef0rd: yeah
Aug 14 16:54:39 <zfigz> Does anyone use Claws for mail?
Aug 14 16:54:43 <bef0rd> how much did it cost you?
Aug 14 16:54:48 <GAN800> jussio1, real info please
Aug 14 16:54:49 <CptLaptop> also i find that BT kb is very slow if you have the nit opaired with a cell at the same time
Aug 14 16:54:52 <zfigz> I'm getting really annoyed with the default email client
Aug 14 16:55:04 <zfigz> CptLaptop, that's normal
Aug 14 16:55:06 <CptLaptop> i use claws
Aug 14 16:55:07 <Kegetys> works fine for me..
Aug 14 16:55:09 <CptLaptop> internal one is shit'
Aug 14 16:55:18 <zfigz> Yeah...it seriously is.
Aug 14 16:55:24 <CptLaptop> claws is nice
Aug 14 16:55:25 <Woefix_> jussio1 which program are you using?
Aug 14 16:55:26 <Kegetys> cost 35 euros or something like that
Aug 14 16:55:27 <zfigz> Cpt, how'd you transfer your oldsettings/emails to claws?
Aug 14 16:55:29 <CptLaptop> although it breaks osso backup
Aug 14 16:55:30 <jussio1> GAN800: what do you need to know?
Aug 14 16:55:44 <CptLaptop> zfigz: i use imap so no need to transfer anything
Aug 14 16:55:46 <zfigz> Cpt, and you don't get a LED notification with it do you?
Aug 14 16:55:48 <jussio1> Woefix_: the one that comes as standard with the lateest diablo
Aug 14 16:55:51 <GAN800> What the hell you're actually trying to do.
Aug 14 16:55:58 <CptLaptop> zfigz no i dont think so
Aug 14 16:56:15 <zfigz> Argh, I'll miss that then...but shit...the osso one is soooo slow.
Aug 14 16:56:22 <zfigz> Sometimes it doesn't even start.
Aug 14 16:56:23 <Woefix_> its just called "map" isn't it? don't you have to pay for that app?
Aug 14 16:56:25 <CptLaptop> hang on i can check
Aug 14 16:56:26 <GAN800> osso-email is dead
Aug 14 16:56:26 <CptLaptop> it might do led
Aug 14 16:56:44 <jussio1> GAN800: just upgraded to diblo, wanted to use maps - came up with map download, clicked scandinavia, it said no room on internal card
Aug 14 16:56:49 <zfigz> Cpt, let me know.
Aug 14 16:57:03 <zfigz> The LED notification is the only thing I really like about the osso mail client
Aug 14 16:57:15 <GAN800> jussio1, clean out your internal card, then.
Aug 14 16:57:18 <CptLaptop> zfigz it does have a led option, id just disabled it
Aug 14 16:57:33 <zfigz> Oh!
Aug 14 16:57:35 <zfigz> So it does work
Aug 14 16:57:36 <zfigz> awesome
Aug 14 16:57:39 <GAN800> manyoso, that's S60
Aug 14 16:57:42 <zfigz> I'm switching then
Aug 14 16:57:44 <GAN800> and the 'Tube'
Aug 14 16:57:57 <zfigz> Cpt, did you deactivate osso mail? or?
Aug 14 16:57:59 <GAN800> I say again, osso-email is dead
Aug 14 16:58:04 <CptLaptop> "after checking new mail (options): go to inbox, update all fodlers, blink led, play sound,. show info banner
Aug 14 16:58:05 <zfigz> There isn't a way to uninstall it, is there?
Aug 14 16:58:07 <jussio1> GAN800: so there is no way to use my standard SD ?
Aug 14 16:58:08 <GAN800> It doesn't exist anymore
Aug 14 16:58:26 <GAN800> jussio1, only if you have an N800.
Aug 14 16:58:29 <manyoso> GAN800: no, it is not
Aug 14 16:58:32 <CptLaptop> zfigz i just put it not to check for new mail
Aug 14 16:58:44 <GAN800> manyoso, clearly it is.
Aug 14 16:58:44 <zfigz> Cpt, oh ok...then hid it away eh?
Aug 14 16:58:52 <CptLaptop> yeah i just ignore it :d
Aug 14 16:58:59 <manyoso> GAN800: the replies were about S60, but the original email was talking about modifications to QtWebKit and running on the internet table
Aug 14 16:59:04 <manyoso> GAN800: read again
Aug 14 16:59:06 <manyoso> it is not
Aug 14 16:59:08 <jussio1> GAN800: problem is, there is nothing but the map and tmp folders on the internal - this is a clean install
Aug 14 16:59:11 <CptLaptop> i dont use my nit for meila a lot anyways, use my e51 instead since it doesnt require wifi
Aug 14 16:59:54 <manyoso> GAN800: quote from the email:
Aug 14 16:59:57 <manyoso> What we have already up and running:
Aug 14 16:59:57 <manyoso> - Prototype implementation OpenGL ES 1.1 accelerated QT-WebKit running
Aug 14 16:59:57 <manyoso> on ARM based Internet Tablet device (such as N810)
Aug 14 17:00:02 <Woefix_> why don't you use another program? Jussio?
Aug 14 17:00:10 <zfigz> Are any of the Claw's addons worth it?
Aug 14 17:00:31 <GAN800> Prototype, woo
Aug 14 17:00:43 <GAN800> That's not the point.
Aug 14 17:00:54 <GAN800> It's only incidental.
Aug 14 17:00:57 <manyoso> then what is your point?  S60 was not even mentioned
Aug 14 17:01:14 <GAN800> It's the iPhone competitor.
Aug 14 17:01:16 <jussio1> Woefix_: because I want to use this one. it comes with it. :/
Aug 14 17:01:21 <RST38h> back
Aug 14 17:01:30 <teamcobra> woooh..... now what are the chances of it being released? (ogl es accel on n8x0)
Aug 14 17:02:07 <GAN800> manyoso, it may run on the tablets, but it's not its focus.
Aug 14 17:02:15 <manyoso> GAN800: she even clearly states that she doesn't work on the S60 team
Aug 14 17:02:27 <manyoso> what's more.... the S60 port of webkit is woefully out of shape
Aug 14 17:02:56 <manyoso> she is clearly talking about QtWebKit and running on arm processor and mentions targeting the internet tablet such as N810
Aug 14 17:03:44 <GAN800> Jonni is typically a man's nane.
Aug 14 17:03:53 <GAN800> s/nane/name/
Aug 14 17:03:54 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Jonni is typically a man's name.
Aug 14 17:04:40 <GAN800> manyoso, believe what you want. Maybe post Harmattan, but not anytime soon.
Aug 14 17:05:18 <manyoso> hah, ok.  whatever.
Aug 14 17:05:26 <GAN800> Anyway, why does Qt and ARM not mean S60?
Aug 14 17:05:41 <GAN800> S60 is ARM
Aug 14 17:05:54 <GAN800> and Nokia's moving Qt onto it big time.
Aug 14 17:08:36 <GAN800> RST38h, bugzilla autolinks 'bug #2000'.
Aug 14 17:08:46 <GAN800> No need to paste the url.
Aug 14 17:11:36 <GAN800> andre__, ping.
Aug 14 17:12:07 <andre__> GAN800, pong
Aug 14 17:12:08 <Id3rfix> hello
Aug 14 17:12:27 <GAN800> What's the procedure for closing bugs these days?
Aug 14 17:12:42 <GAN800> Previously it was handled by Noia after a release.
Aug 14 17:12:48 <GAN800> Now. . . .
Aug 14 17:13:09 <jussio1> so no fixes for my issue?
Aug 14 17:13:43 <andre__> GAN800, Nokia closed bugs? cool :)
Aug 14 17:13:49 <andre__> GAN800, what exactly do you mean?
Aug 14 17:14:01 <GAN800> Well, 'Maemo QA' anyway.
Aug 14 17:14:22 <GAN800> They'd set bugs CLOSED after the fix was shipped.
Aug 14 17:14:39 <Id3rfix> nokia n810 violated the GNU General Public License i received the mail from mailing list of http://gpl-violations.org when i decided to subscribe
Aug 14 17:14:55 <GAN800> lol?
Aug 14 17:15:29 <andre__> Id3rfix, links, please :)
Aug 14 17:16:06 <andre__> GAN800, oh they did? interesting :) i "close" bugs after i got verification from the reporter after an update has been made available. probably won't happen that often ;-)
Aug 14 17:16:15 <andre__> otherwise they remain resolved fixed
Aug 14 17:16:22 <Id3rfix> youu must subscribe to the mailing list
Aug 14 17:16:33 <_berto_> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2008-August/001370.html
Aug 14 17:16:41 <_berto_> that's the link I guess
Aug 14 17:17:05 <andre__> no, i must not. i expect archives.
Aug 14 17:20:00 <andre__> GAN800, needs a clarification maybe in the bugsquad page?
Aug 14 17:20:23 <teamcobra> Id3rfix, the modified libesd isn't in the sdk?
Aug 14 17:20:46 <GAN800> Probably. It just typically happened one way and now it doesn't
Aug 14 17:20:54 <GAN800> worthwhile to be clear
Aug 14 17:21:27 <andre__> GAN800, so they just put everything to closed? hmm. ok
Aug 14 17:21:28 <GAN800> Related, what's the deal with ASSIGNED? Its usage seems incredibly inconsistent.
Aug 14 17:21:46 <andre__> yeah. i wonder what braindead people set assignee to Maemo QA
Aug 14 17:22:05 <andre__> did they really expect the QA "team" (cough) to check anything? hmm
Aug 14 17:22:12 <GAN800> Sometimes a bug seems to be 'assigned' but ot remains NEW
Aug 14 17:22:20 <andre__> no
Aug 14 17:22:29 <GAN800> Sometimes it actually gets set ASSIGNED
Aug 14 17:22:39 <andre__> ASSIGNED and NEW states are disjunct :)
Aug 14 17:23:01 <GAN800> Clearly
Aug 14 17:23:21 <GAN800> But I guess I'm just not clear on the nuances of that distinction.
Aug 14 17:23:26 <andre__> in a perfect world we have an assignee for everything, and a bug in NEW state
Aug 14 17:23:42 <andre__> when the assignee starts to work on it, he set the state to ASSIGNED
Aug 14 17:24:37 <GAN800> Ah, so less-than-useful Nokia engineers who have bugs assigned to them but don't actually use bugzilla are to blame?
Aug 14 17:24:53 <Id3rfix> ask to roberto.gordo@gmail.com or to the legal legal@lists.gpl-violations.org
Aug 14 17:24:56 <andre__> hehehe
Aug 14 17:24:59 <andre__> kind of, yeah
Aug 14 17:25:06 * GAN800 rolleyes
Aug 14 17:25:18 <andre__> Id3rfix, what for? why? me? you?
Aug 14 17:25:33 <GAN800> Did anybody bother talking to Nokia?
Aug 14 17:25:41 <Id3rfix> more informations
Aug 14 17:26:14 <Id3rfix> i want to write to have more informations
Aug 14 17:26:20 <andre__> ah, cool.
Aug 14 17:27:50 <GAN800> andre__, can I talk you into bludgeoning all Nokia folks with ASSIGNED bugs in the NEW state with a large log until they fix it? :p
Aug 14 17:28:31 <andre__> GAN800, sounds like a plan, though not high priority :)
Aug 14 17:28:53 <GAN800> Would it help if I got you the log? ;)
Aug 14 17:29:17 <lcuk> GAN800 don't be a skank, flush it
Aug 14 17:30:11 <GAN800> Can't, you clogged the damn thing up when you used it before me.
Aug 14 17:30:25 <lcuk> sorry, my bad
Aug 14 17:30:37 * lcuk passes you the poking stick
Aug 14 17:30:59 * GAN800 gets out the plugger instead.
Aug 14 17:31:11 <GAN800> A dirty plugged is so much more effective.
Aug 14 17:31:22 <GAN800> s/plugged/plunger/
Aug 14 17:31:22 <infobot> GAN800 meant: A dirty plunger is so much more effective.
Aug 14 17:31:33 <GAN800> Weird typo
Aug 14 17:38:14 <_berto_> Id3rfix: i'd better write directly to nokia, or ask in the maemo-developers mailing list
Aug 14 17:38:30 <_berto_> the violation you're talking about is this one, right ? -> http://lists.gpl-violations.org/pipermail/legal/2008-August/001370.html
Aug 14 17:38:31 <Id3rfix> i would ask only a thing
Aug 14 17:40:28 <Id3rfix> why maemo distribute GNU/linux and nokia not ? In the boxes of pda there are not cd's and the gpl talks very clear distribute the source code
Aug 14 17:41:19 <_berto_> IIRC there are explicit instruction on how to obtain the source code
Aug 14 17:41:26 <lcuk> actually you dont have to distribute the source along with the binary
Aug 14 17:41:50 <lcuk> source is available upon request from the appropriate repository
Aug 14 17:42:10 <Id3rfix> there are not official svn, cvs, ftp, http of nokia where to download the software
Aug 14 17:42:26 <crashanddie> "[You] can also see who has the most points by category."
Aug 14 17:42:32 <crashanddie> is this a frigging joke ,
Aug 14 17:42:33 <crashanddie> ??
Aug 14 17:42:40 <lcuk> Id3rfix, have you contacted the developer (nokia) and requested the source
Aug 14 17:42:58 <_berto_> "Nokia offers to provide such source code to you on a CD-ROM [...]"
Aug 14 17:43:10 <_berto_> there are instructions and a contact address to order the CD
Aug 14 17:43:15 <lcuk> because the gpl does not say "there has to be an  official svn, cvs, ftp, http for source"
Aug 14 17:43:53 <tank-man> i believe it says the medium of the source has to be reasonable
Aug 14 17:44:03 <lcuk> but if you cannot wait then you can of course just use the proper repo for the maemo distribution and obtain the source for all gpl components
Aug 14 17:44:09 <Id3rfix> on the user guide that is in the box they say that is possibile to have copy to payment i phoned to the nokia and they nothing say about
Aug 14 17:44:47 <crashanddie> are you sure they understood you ?
Aug 14 17:44:48 <lcuk> what payment does it suggest?
Aug 14 17:44:52 <_berto_> "Source Code Requests - Nokia Corporation - P.O. Box 407 - FI-00045 - Nokia Group - Finland"
Aug 14 17:44:55 <_berto_> that's the address
Aug 14 17:45:24 <lcuk> Id3rfix, have you got an n8x0?
Aug 14 17:45:24 <crashanddie> jott, this is starting to become ridiculous
Aug 14 17:45:37 <Id3rfix> is a their problem, next time provide to use not free software
Aug 14 17:45:50 <lcuk> Id3rfix, what?
Aug 14 17:45:52 <Id3rfix> i got a 770
Aug 14 17:46:16 <lcuk> and have you followed the instructions provided in your device documentation to obtain the source?
Aug 14 17:46:27 <Id3rfix> yes
Aug 14 17:47:09 <Id3rfix> i phoned to the nokia in Belgio
Aug 14 17:47:17 <lcuk> what have you done to try to obtain the code, cos i know when i wanted to look at the kernel i just went and found it
Aug 14 17:47:22 <_berto_> i'd say that the sources are all here BTW -> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.1/free/
Aug 14 17:47:26 <lcuk> does it say to phone nokia in belgio?
Aug 14 17:47:41 <lcuk> _berto_, not for his distro they arent
Aug 14 17:47:44 <arachnist> is it possible to obtain wifi or graphic card modules source that way? :>
Aug 14 17:47:53 <_berto_> these ? _> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.2/free/source/
Aug 14 17:47:53 <lcuk> arachnist, are those gpl?
Aug 14 17:48:05 <Id3rfix> nothing they do not say nothing
Aug 14 17:48:21 <arachnist> lcuk: no, and that's the problem
Aug 14 17:48:39 <lcuk> Id3rfix, read the instructions on your device documentation and follow the instructions - for mine they have the address _berto_ just said
Aug 14 17:48:54 <lcuk> if i want a cd of all gpl compliant code i send a written letter there
Aug 14 17:49:12 <lcuk> i would not expect my local nokia dealer to know anything about specific nokia devices
Aug 14 17:49:16 <_berto_> in fact you can also use apt-get source from the SDK
Aug 14 17:49:20 <_berto_> just like in debian or ubuntu
Aug 14 17:49:23 <lcuk> or from the device
Aug 14 17:49:37 <lcuk> arachnist, why is that a problem?
Aug 14 17:49:52 <lcuk> its just like expecting the source for nvidia graphics drivers
Aug 14 17:49:55 <_berto_> there's a specific address for source code requests in case you don't want to use  the repository above
Aug 14 17:50:04 <lcuk> or dont have a fast connection
Aug 14 17:50:09 <lcuk> or any other reason
Aug 14 17:50:11 <_berto_> exactly
Aug 14 17:50:20 <lcuk> nokia are pretty compliant from what i can see
Aug 14 17:50:41 <Id3rfix> so the problem was unsolved
Aug 14 17:50:41 <GAN800> crashanddie, try not to blow things out of proportion;
Aug 14 17:50:42 <Id3rfix> i did
Aug 14 17:50:44 <Id3rfix> they don't send nothing
Aug 14 17:50:53 <lcuk> sure, some things are not gpl (even silly things) but to they have done the right thing so far
Aug 14 17:51:07 <Id3rfix> is there a good documentation for nokia 770
Aug 14 17:51:41 <Id3rfix> so that i can provide to flash the nokia 770
Aug 14 17:52:02 <Id3rfix> and to mount only free software
Aug 14 17:52:07 <_berto_> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/
Aug 14 17:52:15 <_berto_> here's what you're looking for
Aug 14 17:52:29 <_berto_> including the flasher tool, the binary image and the sources
Aug 14 17:53:10 <Id3rfix> sdk is not for me
Aug 14 17:53:25 <_berto_> in fact there's a project to create a completely free image for nokia devices
Aug 14 17:53:26 <GAN800> You can't really operate the device with only free software.
Aug 14 17:53:28 <_berto_> http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona/
Aug 14 17:53:29 <_berto_> see here
Aug 14 17:53:42 <GAN800> bme is pretty much a necessity.
Aug 14 17:53:45 <_berto_> well, it looks like you can (I haven't teste it though)
Aug 14 17:54:07 <Id3rfix> oh good
Aug 14 17:54:18 <lcuk> Id3rfix, to make use of this device with entirely free software stack you run into some limitations because not all hardware is supported with free drivers.  as a none developer i believe your target will be difficult
Aug 14 17:54:27 <_berto_> Id3rfix: and here are all the sources -> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/Nokia_770_OS.php
Aug 14 17:55:31 <Id3rfix> yes, but if there are not free software packages i don't use it
Aug 14 17:55:47 * GAN800 rolleyes
Aug 14 17:56:08 <_berto_> Id3rfix: so use Mamona
Aug 14 17:56:10 <lcuk> Id3rfix, enjoy your nokia internet tablet without internet then :)  and about 1/2 hour of battery life
Aug 14 17:56:21 <_berto_> "Mamona is an embedded Linux distribution for ARM EABI. The main goal of the Mamona Project is to offer a completely open source alternative/experimental Platform for Maemo using only free and open source components."
Aug 14 17:56:23 <GeneralAntilles> Then no more battery ever.
Aug 14 17:56:26 <_berto_> that's exactly what you're looking for
Aug 14 17:56:57 <Id3rfix> at the same time i thank you here is time to go and take the dinner
Aug 14 17:57:23 <_berto_> arrivederci
Aug 14 17:57:26 <_berto_> :)
Aug 14 17:57:49 <lcuk> mamona has wifi apparantly :)
Aug 14 17:57:59 * lcuk didnt know that
Aug 14 17:58:52 <eimai> hi, I'm trying to use my pc to give my N810 internet through usb with http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, but I hit the DUMMY bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 -- can anyone point me towards a work-around as long as the connection manager isn't fixed?
Aug 14 17:59:07 <GeneralAntilles> The Nokia employees need to be removed from this list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Eligible_candidates
Aug 14 17:59:18 <birunko> lcuk, we're working right now to support network-manager =)
Aug 14 17:59:28 <lcuk> nice!
Aug 14 18:01:39 <lcuk> birunko, the last i saw of mamona, the battery life was not great - have many things been tweaked and twiddled to extend its life?
Aug 14 18:02:09 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, why can't nokia employees go up for election?
Aug 14 18:02:28 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly a conflict of interest.
Aug 14 18:02:55 <lcuk> why?  an awful lot of nokia contractors and employees started out as community members
Aug 14 18:03:00 <GeneralAntilles> It's a _Community_ council, not a corporate council.
Aug 14 18:03:56 <toma> and they are not part of the community?
Aug 14 18:04:02 <GeneralAntilles> Privileged information, conflicts between community interests and employer interests, appearance to the community at large.
Aug 14 18:04:02 <lcuk> and if nokia employees are in the community an awful lot what does it matter?  its not like we are gonna have a sole overlord
Aug 14 18:04:23 * lcuk doesnt like them n us
Aug 14 18:04:23 <GeneralAntilles> Having a Nokia employee on the council sends the wrong message.
Aug 14 18:04:32 <GeneralAntilles> It isn't about that.
Aug 14 18:04:55 <lcuk> excluding excellent members of the community for arbitary reasons also sends out the wrong message
Aug 14 18:05:05 <GeneralAntilles> A Nokia employee has a lot of hats to wear, and wearing a council hat and a Nokia hat may conflict at times.
Aug 14 18:05:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's hardly arbitrary.
Aug 14 18:05:19 <RST38h> as sad as it is, this is not an arbitrary reason
Aug 14 18:05:21 <lcuk> someone like x-fade for isntance - is here a lot, takes part in things
Aug 14 18:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> He's not a Nokia employee.
Aug 14 18:05:39 <lcuk> nokia contractor
Aug 14 18:05:42 <GeneralAntilles> Not in the Maemo Software sense, anyway.
Aug 14 18:05:45 <RST38h> these guys will represent community when talking to Nokia
Aug 14 18:06:02 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I'd say maemo.org team members probably shouldn't run, anyway.
Aug 14 18:06:06 <RST38h> you can't have nokia employees in this particular role
Aug 14 18:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly because they already occupy positions of leadership in the community
Aug 14 18:06:25 <lcuk> so, no nokia affiliation at all
Aug 14 18:06:45 <GeneralAntilles> and because they already have enough to do without also sitting on a council.
Aug 14 18:06:56 <lcuk> no, they write software in the community and nokia rewarded them by making it a paying position
Aug 14 18:07:08 <lcuk> iu have a fulltime job also and then do this ontop
Aug 14 18:07:13 <GeneralAntilles> Last two comments were re: maemo.org people.
Aug 14 18:07:50 <GeneralAntilles> I think the council may already have enough of an issue being seen as too Nokia-friendly by some decidedly confused folk.
Aug 14 18:07:57 <GeneralAntilles> "Nokia shills"
Aug 14 18:08:09 <GeneralAntilles> Having a Nokia employee on the council would only make that worse.
Aug 14 18:08:33 <lcuk> might i suggest a compromise - nokia employees and contractors should be entitled to nominate themselves, but if voted in must cut ties with nokia (ie, self solving)
Aug 14 18:08:45 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 14 18:08:57 <GeneralAntilles> Who the hell is going to take a stupid council chair over a paying job?
Aug 14 18:09:14 <lcuk> i was under the impression that funding was available?
Aug 14 18:09:37 <lcuk> even if not - it solves the problem by not explicitely excluding anyone
Aug 14 18:09:42 <GeneralAntilles> For what?
Aug 14 18:09:56 <GeneralAntilles> Funding?
Aug 14 18:10:01 * GeneralAntilles is a bit confused now.
Aug 14 18:11:22 <GeneralAntilles> I think it's fairly obvious that exclusion doesn't have anything to do with past employment
Aug 14 18:11:48 <GeneralAntilles> So having a specific clause stating that you can sit only if you quit Nokia is a bit, erhm, retarded
Aug 14 18:12:36 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, the reasons for excluding Nokia employees are fairly obvious.
Aug 14 18:12:37 <Id3rfix> I take the nokia 770 to communicate a thing : actually there are 3 projects opened #madwifi for atheros, their decision to develop ath5k and ath9k bsd license and gpl license, then there is Sebastien with prism54 and p54u prism54 is dedicated to GNU/linux and p54u to freebsd first was available only #prism54 then i create the #p54u and is documentated too on #prism54 read the topic of #prism54, i am only the admin of #p54u then enjoy
Aug 14 18:12:37 <Id3rfix>  yourself and good luck ! Bye bye
Aug 14 18:12:58 <Jaffa> re
Aug 14 18:14:23 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: the rules on the wiki page made it clear Nokia employees *could* stand, as long as they made that clear.
Aug 14 18:14:35 <GeneralAntilles> Oh really?
Aug 14 18:14:49 <Jaffa>  /whenever/ advertising their nomination
Aug 14 18:15:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hrm, guess I missed that.
Aug 14 18:15:32 <GeneralAntilles> Point withdrawn, then.
Aug 14 18:15:58 <Jaffa> I could imagine two scenarios: 1) someone like Texrat who isn't involved in Maemo Software; 2) someone who is so passionate about Maemo they work on it even in their spare time.
Aug 14 18:16:46 <RST38h> either way it is a conflict of interest
Aug 14 18:16:58 <RST38h> Nokia can tell these guys what to do and what to say and how to vote
Aug 14 18:17:09 <Jaffa> Now, I'm not sure Texrat's involved in the maemo.org community, really (or am I being too arbitrary?), and I can't OTTOMH think of anyone in the second category *at the moment*
Aug 14 18:17:09 <Pavlz> here i am now i am using my notebook the ibm thinkpad t23
Aug 14 18:17:25 <Pavlz> oh, funny keyboard and screen
Aug 14 18:17:54 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, well, Texrat isn't much involved in anything Maemo-related anymore.
Aug 14 18:18:07 <Jaffa> RST38h: hence the need for them to advertise that conflict. The BBC doesn't not report news which affects it, for example
Aug 14 18:18:23 <Pavlz> i got only 256 mb of ram, i must to update, but i got somethig as 30 gb of hd
Aug 14 18:18:57 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: indeed, but he was useful as an example of a Nokia employee who wouldn'tt have a day to day conflict of intert
Aug 14 18:19:51 <GeneralAntilles> Perhaps, though he does work with tablets outside of Maemo Software but in Nokia.
Aug 14 18:20:13 <Jaffa> RST38h: and who said the Council internals would be a democracy, except in nominating a chair? ;-)
Aug 14 18:20:40 <Jaffa> The voter selection rules were designed so that a shill would be recognised by the active and involved community members voting; if those rules are changing it could have an impact on other rules like this one
Aug 14 18:21:39 <GeneralAntilles> My other big worry was people getting elected for being loud and "anti-Nokia"
Aug 14 18:21:47 <GeneralAntilles> as dneary outlined on the list.
Aug 14 18:21:55 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: inded, I was trying to suggest a Nokia employee who wokeed on things entirely unrelated but who was very active in the community anyway
Aug 14 18:22:35 <GeneralAntilles> Can't think of who that might be.
Aug 14 18:22:59 <GeneralAntilles> There's one S60 guy on here (whose nick I've forgotten), but he's not very active.
Aug 14 18:23:27 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles Indeed, again the karma requirement would prevent a loud and disgruntled ITT bloc dominating the results; but maybe the 3 month rule covers that as well. I don't think it does.
Aug 14 18:23:38 <Talus46_n810> greetings
Aug 14 18:24:19 <lardman> re
Aug 14 18:29:53 <Jaffa> Perhaps the limit should just be something like 5? That'd cover the lcuk case, who seems to be the mascot of the "bah, karma" crowd ;-)
Aug 14 18:30:15 <lcuk> hey i dont care - people are bringing me up about it
Aug 14 18:30:35 * lcuk looks wayyyyy up to the top of the karma mountain and waves
Aug 14 18:30:50 * lardman wonders where he is
Aug 14 18:31:00 <Jaffa> lcuk: indeed, it's a fairly reasonable point that shows a way of counting IRC should be included
Aug 14 18:31:20 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, just about to be passed by me. :P
Aug 14 18:31:26 <lcuk> yer agreed - i dont mind being a test case occassionally - as long as i gain karma for it ;)
Aug 14 18:31:31 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: lol
Aug 14 18:31:41 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: good for you, I've not done much for a while
Aug 14 18:31:42 <lcuk> anyway bbl
Aug 14 18:31:49 <GeneralAntilles> Or just, passed, since my bug spree last night, actually. :P
Aug 14 18:32:04 <lardman> if you get more than one T-shirt, send me one over :)
Aug 14 18:32:14 <GeneralAntilles> How far back do mgedmin's logs go?
Aug 14 18:32:18 <Jaffa> Of course, now poeople can favourite indivudals, so we can give lcuk a vote by favouriting him, if that's desired - proving the karma system works
Aug 14 18:32:29 * GeneralAntilles clutches his now-classic maemo t-shirt. :D
Aug 14 18:32:40 <Jaffa> Heh
Aug 14 18:32:48 <GeneralAntilles> Does favoriting users affect karma?
Aug 14 18:32:56 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: a fair way
Aug 14 18:32:58 <lardman> is X-Fade off now?
Aug 14 18:33:01 <GeneralAntilles> It didn't seem to the last time I tried.
Aug 14 18:33:07 <GeneralAntilles> lardman, believe so.
Aug 14 18:33:14 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: reduces your karma you mean ;)
Aug 14 18:33:22 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: ok, thanks
Aug 14 18:33:22 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles : I assumed it'd boost their karma by a fair way
Aug 14 18:33:26 <GeneralAntilles> Something like that. ;)
Aug 14 18:33:41 <GeneralAntilles> It may change once every 24 hours with the rest, though.
Aug 14 18:33:45 <GeneralAntilles> I'm not really sure.
Aug 14 18:34:10 <Jaffa> If not, what's the point? And it uses the ssame icons as giving people points for good news
Aug 14 18:34:23 <lcuk> please everyone vote for me :D
Aug 14 18:34:27 <Jaffa> Laggy GPRS on train
Aug 14 18:34:29 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, wouldn't be much of one.
Aug 14 18:34:44 <GeneralAntilles> If the #meamo logs go back acceptably far, would there be any objections to counting lines here into karma?
Aug 14 18:34:55 <lcuk> :D wicked idea
Aug 14 18:35:02 <Jaffa> Fine by me
Aug 14 18:35:04 <lcuk> ive got from the day i installed xchat to now
Aug 14 18:35:06 <GeneralAntilles> and could something be done to make counting future lines less resource-intensive. . . .
Aug 14 18:35:39 <Jaffa> There's a page per day, ech run only looks at logs for days not yet processed
Aug 14 18:35:49 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, OK.
Aug 14 18:36:02 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: that's a pretty hit and miss approach though
Aug 14 18:36:11 <Jaffa> Well, that's how I'd implement it
Aug 14 18:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> Not weighted much
Aug 14 18:36:23 <Jaffa> Should be very lower point per line
Aug 14 18:36:26 <GeneralAntilles> 500 lines per karma point.
Aug 14 18:36:34 <GeneralAntilles> Or something similarly low.
Aug 14 18:36:42 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I suppose it would rate involvement, if not actual contribution
Aug 14 18:36:59 <GeneralAntilles> Just like the lists.
Aug 14 18:37:09 <lardman> is that how they're done?
Aug 14 18:37:09 <GeneralAntilles> and, arguably, bugzilla for some reporters. ;)
Aug 14 18:37:10 <Jaffa> which is all karma does do
Aug 14 18:37:22 <Jaffa> One thing which'd be good as well is how often *others* use your nick
Aug 14 18:37:38 <GeneralAntilles> Karma points from the list are just points-per-message
Aug 14 18:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, yeah, but highlight variations?
Aug 14 18:38:00 <Jaffa> That should be weighted more than your own lines
Aug 14 18:38:22 <GeneralAntilles> My name is big and hard to type out, so I get a lot of "GA", "gen", "ant", etc.
Aug 14 18:38:40 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: your fault ;-)
Aug 14 18:38:42 <GeneralAntilles> That number would be biased towards people with short, easy to type names.
Aug 14 18:38:46 <Jaffa> Fair point, tho
Aug 14 18:39:14 <GeneralAntilles> Lines are easy to count and straightforward to weight.
Aug 14 18:39:20 <Jaffa> aye
Aug 14 18:39:29 <Jaffa> anyone able to implement it?
Aug 14 18:39:43 <Jaffa> probably should go to -community
Aug 14 18:39:44 <GeneralAntilles> That'd be bergie or ferenc at this point, I suppose.
Aug 14 18:39:56 <GeneralAntilles> -community also needs to be counted for karma
Aug 14 18:40:00 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think it is at this point.
Aug 14 18:40:07 <Jaffa> Interesting that in the summary about karma, -community posts weren't being counted
Aug 14 18:40:14 <Jaffa> snap
Aug 14 18:40:30 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie isn't here
Aug 14 18:40:32 * lardman registers a few new nicks, the, is, a, am
Aug 14 18:40:42 <GeneralAntilles> I could probably get him to volunteer to write an IRC karma plugin. ;)
Aug 14 18:41:07 <Jaffa> lardman: that's the other flaw ;-)
Aug 14 18:41:42 <lardman> ;)
Aug 14 18:41:55 <GeneralAntilles> <th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">@X-Fade</th>
Aug 14 18:42:04 <GeneralAntilles> Just count the nick there.
Aug 14 18:42:19 <Jaffa> I can't favourite lcuk through microb
Aug 14 18:42:35 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ignoring the op '@'
Aug 14 18:43:09 <lardman> ~lart alloca() for being a real pita to replace with malloc()
Aug 14 18:43:09 * infobot urinates on alloca() for being a real pita to replace with malloc()
Aug 14 18:43:10 <Jaffa> IRC nick field is in profile now
Aug 14 18:43:37 <arachnist> lardman: what is it that you hate about alloca()? :>
Aug 14 18:44:37 <lardman> arachnist: the face that tremor uses it alot and the DSP toolchain doesn't support it
Aug 14 18:44:43 <lardman> s/face/fact
Aug 14 18:45:01 <lardman> There are going to be lots and lots of memory leaks
Aug 14 18:45:11 <arachnist> dsp?
Aug 14 18:45:20 <arachnist> digital signal processor?
Aug 14 18:45:25 <lardman> yes
Aug 14 18:46:47 <GeneralAntilles> Wow, FBReader people in itT?
Aug 14 18:46:50 <GeneralAntilles> Weirdness.
Aug 14 18:48:08 <brontide> GeneralAntilles: archived at least half of of the Maemo (operating system) talk page
Aug 14 18:48:56 <GeneralAntilles> brontide, thanks!
Aug 14 18:48:59 * lcuk goes and tries something
Aug 14 18:49:11 <GeneralAntilles> I was thinking I was to heavily involved in that one to do that myself. ;)
Aug 14 18:49:49 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: we're also not counting ITT thankses, even tho reggie implemented the API
Aug 14 18:50:04 <lardman> arachnist: if you know of a plug in C replacement/implementation, I'm all ears
Aug 14 18:50:17 <GeneralAntilles> What's the deadline for voter's karma at this point?
Aug 14 18:50:28 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: deadline?
Aug 14 18:50:40 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: who was talking about short easy to type names?
Aug 14 18:50:46 <arachnist> lardman: not really
Aug 14 18:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> What the karma for voting qualification will be counted.
Aug 14 18:50:53 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, me.
Aug 14 18:50:57 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: ah, ok
Aug 14 18:51:10 <lardman> arachnist: no worries, I'll get back to it then :S
Aug 14 18:51:11 <lbt> +1 each - well done that man ;)
Aug 14 18:52:10 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa somebody with a little time should look at the karma plugin interface.
Aug 14 18:52:15 <brontide> It was time to let that topic die, it was cluttering the talk page and added 0 value at this point
Aug 14 18:52:44 <brontide> I'm thinking of just a seperate Archive 1 for the rest of the outdated stuff
Aug 14 18:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> We also need to count wiki karma.
Aug 14 18:54:43 * brontide is still confused about karma and how it's linked to the account
Aug 14 18:55:14 <GeneralAntilles> Well, uh, it attempts to summarize all maemo.org contributions into a number.
Aug 14 18:55:45 <GeneralAntilles> By counting things like mailing list messages, garage group membership, Downloads entries, bugs reported, and new items hearted/thumbed.
Aug 14 18:56:08 <andre__> voter's karma deadline was tonight iirc
Aug 14 18:56:35 <GeneralAntilles> Candidates karma deadline was last night.
Aug 14 18:56:50 <GeneralAntilles> I think the voter's is just before voting starts.
Aug 14 18:56:57 <brontide> WTF does that *mean*
Aug 14 18:57:05 <brontide> voting for what?
Aug 14 18:57:08 <GeneralAntilles> maemo.org Community Council elections
Aug 14 18:57:20 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council
Aug 14 18:57:26 <lcuk> dave said karma was not important for voters
Aug 14 18:57:35 <GeneralAntilles> brontide, are you subscribed to -users, -developers, and -community?
Aug 14 18:57:48 <brontide> -devel
Aug 14 18:58:11 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, I don't think we've really reached a clear final decision on that yet. :)
Aug 14 18:58:18 <GeneralAntilles> brontide, add -community in there.
Aug 14 18:58:29 <lcuk> in the mail today "explaining karma" he said :   While I disagree with "dangerous", I am not opposed now to using only
Aug 14 18:58:29 <lcuk> the existence of a maemo account 3 months before the election date as
Aug 14 18:58:29 <lcuk> the eligibility condition. I will generate a list of eligible voters
Aug 14 18:58:29 <lcuk> based on this.
Aug 14 18:58:51 <brontide> like I need another high-volume mailing list cluttering my inbox
Aug 14 18:58:55 <lcuk> thats pretty clear to me
Aug 14 18:59:02 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, yeah, I saw, but that's not a final decission.
Aug 14 18:59:11 <GeneralAntilles> brontide, it's low-volume
Aug 14 18:59:25 <GeneralAntilles> Setup some rules to move the mailing list stuff to a folder.
Aug 14 19:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway, brontide, the threads at the bottom here are the ones you want: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-August/thread.html
Aug 14 19:08:50 * brontide wonder what GeneralAntilles thinks of as high volume.  Low volume to me is less than 1 message/day
Aug 14 19:09:00 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Aug 14 19:09:02 <lardman> what weirdness is going on in vorbis_book_unpack()?
Aug 14 19:09:12 <GeneralAntilles> I get about ~70 messages a day
Aug 14 19:11:02 <lbt> ha - upgraded my non-flash partition on tuesday - finally got "system upgraded successfully" today...
Aug 14 19:12:08 <lbt> nokia browser start page still has the old maemo logo though
Aug 14 19:12:14 <GeneralAntilles> Well, nominations are open.
Aug 14 19:12:24 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, check out about:
Aug 14 19:12:32 <brontide> how does it track blogs?
Aug 14 19:12:36 <brontide> karma that is
Aug 14 19:12:41 <GeneralAntilles> planet
Aug 14 19:12:52 <brontide> ?
Aug 14 19:13:19 <lbt> microB 1.0.1 ?
Aug 14 19:13:31 <GeneralAntilles> It's actually 1.0.4
Aug 14 19:13:35 <GeneralAntilles> and we're now in 2008
Aug 14 19:13:43 <GeneralAntilles> brontide, http://planet.maemo.org
Aug 14 19:14:07 <lbt> I just used appmgr to install the latest upgrade...
Aug 14 19:15:27 <lbt> according to appmgr I can update 'map' and 'Operating System'
Aug 14 19:15:35 <GeneralAntilles> DO NOT INSTALL OPERATING SYSTEM
Aug 14 19:15:43 <lbt> d'oh
Aug 14 19:15:44 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid goddamn Red Pill
Aug 14 19:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> Turn it off.
Aug 14 19:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> Operating System is a meta-package for "I want a reboot loop, please, sir!"
Aug 14 19:16:48 <lbt> thing is, magic crap like "red pill mode" doesn't mean anything
Aug 14 19:17:32 <lbt> and now I have to go hunting for deliberatley arcane ways to remove it
Aug 14 19:17:38 <GeneralAntilles> Did you watch the matrix?
Aug 14 19:17:39 <lbt> I don't even know it is there
Aug 14 19:17:48 <lbt> Oh, I get the ref
Aug 14 19:17:55 <lbt> but seriously
Aug 14 19:18:00 <GeneralAntilles> Clearly the _RED PILL_ is not the safe way.
Aug 14 19:18:02 <lbt> I probably got told to do it
Aug 14 19:18:03 * GeneralAntilles eyeroll
Aug 14 19:18:12 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, well, that's another part of the problem
Aug 14 19:18:21 <lbt> or it's a bypass during the extras breakage
Aug 14 19:18:21 <GeneralAntilles> People recommend it as some sort of magical fix-all.
Aug 14 19:18:26 <GeneralAntilles> It has its uses.
Aug 14 19:18:27 <lbt> which I followed in good faith
Aug 14 19:18:38 <lbt> but it should scream every time I start it up
Aug 14 19:18:46 <GeneralAntilles> But a fix-all troubleshooting method isn't one of them.
Aug 14 19:18:47 <lbt> sorry for not living on my tablet
Aug 14 19:18:57 <lbt> I forget things like that
Aug 14 19:19:12 <GeneralAntilles> Application catalog... : New : enter 'matrix' in the URL field
Aug 14 19:19:13 <GeneralAntilles> click cancel
Aug 14 19:19:15 <GeneralAntilles> Blue
Aug 14 19:19:39 <lbt> cute - but ultimately not good :)
Aug 14 19:19:55 * GeneralAntilles ponders out his council motivations.
Aug 14 19:21:12 <lbt> hmm "Enter web address first"
Aug 14 19:21:24 <lbt> I guess the red pill switch mode has gone
Aug 14 19:21:26 <GeneralAntilles> In the URL field
Aug 14 19:21:31 <GeneralAntilles> Not the name field
Aug 14 19:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> and click CANCEL
Aug 14 19:21:42 <lbt> there is no 'URL' field
Aug 14 19:21:48 <lbt> Web Address:
Aug 14 19:21:53 <RST38h> why do you need the red pill mode at all?
Aug 14 19:22:09 <RST38h> apt-get no longer works?
Aug 14 19:22:13 <lbt> I want it off
Aug 14 19:22:20 <RST38h> just reboot.
Aug 14 19:22:24 <lbt> apparently I put it on at some point
Aug 14 19:22:31 <lbt> it's rebooted zillions of times
Aug 14 19:22:41 <lbt> (never on it's own)
Aug 14 19:22:53 <lbt> does it reset on reboot?
Aug 14 19:22:58 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't reset with a reboot.
Aug 14 19:23:18 * lcuk is scanning
Aug 14 19:23:29 <lbt> GeneralAntilles: you think it is on because I have an 'Operating System' appear as an install option?
Aug 14 19:23:29 <RST38h> evil
Aug 14 19:23:47 <GeneralAntilles> I don't think, I know. ;)
Aug 14 19:23:48 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, in the 10 day test i did on february no surprises that you were the loudmouth :P
Aug 14 19:23:56 <lbt> how do I check it ?
Aug 14 19:24:07 <lbt> my version doesn't seem to respond
Aug 14 19:24:17 <lbt> to GA's "matrix" trick
Aug 14 19:24:20 <GeneralAntilles> Web address: matrix
Aug 14 19:24:23 <RST38h> Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ
Aug 14 19:24:25 <GeneralAntilles> Tap Cancel.
Aug 14 19:24:36 <lbt> sorry - "Cancel"
Aug 14 19:24:36 <RST38h> [why am I not surprised it comes from Fox?]
Aug 14 19:25:26 * lbt mutters about *deliberately* obscure "break me" modes...
Aug 14 19:25:36 <lbt> Thanks GeneralAntilles
Aug 14 19:25:43 <andre__> ...there's a conflict in georgia? media here should cover more internal USA stories :-P
Aug 14 19:25:49 <RST38h> lbt: At least it is not left-left-right-right-down-a-b
Aug 14 19:26:04 <RST38h> andre: well, shoot more people!
Aug 14 19:26:24 <lbt> RST38h: Zaurus user?
Aug 14 19:27:09 <RST38h> lbt: NES
Aug 14 19:27:12 <lbt> hmm - it doesn't look that bad on paper.... http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill-stable.html
Aug 14 19:28:11 <andre__> hmm, ok, the joke maybe wasn't that obvious... :-/
Aug 14 19:29:06 <CptLaptop> there should be a torrent site for tablet encoded vids :/ [7randomthought]
Aug 14 19:29:12 <lbt> andre__: redpill thing?
Aug 14 19:29:51 <GeneralAntilles> CptLaptop, most, *ahem* videos work just fine for me with mplayer.
Aug 14 19:30:16 <lbt> anyhow.... my original problem is that I don't appear to have the right browser
Aug 14 19:30:35 <CptLaptop> your porn is slow. my scifi is fast. lagging difference :p
Aug 14 19:30:49 <RST38h> does that ever happen?
Aug 14 19:31:00 <lbt> and appmrg shows no upgrades
Aug 14 19:31:06 <lbt> what's up with that then?
Aug 14 19:31:13 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, you do have the right browser
Aug 14 19:31:20 <lcuk> wow :)
Aug 14 19:31:22 <lbt> I thought you said 1.0.4?
Aug 14 19:31:24 <GeneralAntilles> I was pointing out that about: also hadn't been updated
Aug 14 19:31:35 <GeneralAntilles> Not that the logo wasn't updated because your browser wasn't
Aug 14 19:31:36 <lbt> OK :)
Aug 14 19:31:48 <GeneralAntilles> My apologies for the obfuscation.
Aug 14 19:32:12 <lbt> 's OK - I got redpill off and learned something - always good
Aug 14 19:32:15 <lcuk> since january according to my quite extensive log, KotCzarny is the irc king.  now my log does not contain the whole thing, i will attempt to speak to marius and see how complete his are
Aug 14 19:32:30 <GeneralAntilles> KotCzarny the spammer.
Aug 14 19:32:31 <lcuk> (i am second and GeneralAntilles you are third)
Aug 14 19:32:52 <lcuk> kotczarny helped me loads :)  he never spammed to me
Aug 14 19:33:15 * GeneralAntilles had no love for Kot.
Aug 14 19:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, thanks for bringing the logo up.
Aug 14 19:33:53 <GeneralAntilles> I'm filing a bug as we speak.
Aug 14 19:34:13 <RST38h> Where is KotCzarny?
Aug 14 19:34:27 <lbt> damn - shoulda thought of that
Aug 14 19:34:36 <novaterata> Hi, has anyone had problem where no wireless connections are being found using one boot partition but everything is fine on another
Aug 14 19:35:03 <RST38h> Don't tell me he has got an iPhone
Aug 14 19:35:06 <lbt> how do I fix my irc client to autocomplete GeneralAntilles as GeneralAntilles(KarmaWhore)
Aug 14 19:35:16 <GeneralAntilles> Is it open source?
Aug 14 19:35:47 <lbt> apt-get source konversation....
Aug 14 19:36:02 <andrewfblack> GA did they do thoes wiki server updates seems to be working better for me today
Aug 14 19:36:19 <lcuk> top 50 #maemo irc posters from january 14 to aug 14 -  http://slexy.org/view/s20lAJ9KUY
Aug 14 19:36:38 <lbt> good god, I'm in there
Aug 14 19:36:39 <mikkov_> great, i have somehow totally borked my scratchbox installation..
Aug 14 19:36:45 <lbt> don't let my wife see that!
Aug 14 19:36:46 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, no, not updated yet.
Aug 14 19:36:55 <lcuk> lbt, heh
Aug 14 19:37:04 <GeneralAntilles> The ISP had enabled some crazy watchdog script that was killing threads left and right.
Aug 14 19:37:05 <andrewfblack> Well atleast its working better for now, something is fixed on it
Aug 14 19:37:07 <lcuk> people think twitter posts are full of crap
Aug 14 19:37:11 <GeneralAntilles> bergie figured it out and disabled it.
Aug 14 19:37:16 <novaterata> I think it happened after trying to install Feature Upgrade that failed
Aug 14 19:37:29 <lbt> lcuk: twitter<>irc gateway!
Aug 14 19:37:46 <lbt> I could blog!
Aug 14 19:37:47 <lcuk> lbt :) indeed
Aug 14 19:37:58 <lcuk> i have said on many occasions i use irc as my blog
Aug 14 19:38:01 <andrewfblack> Well I get a Load Unsecure items on every page I go to now but atleast they load lol
Aug 14 19:38:06 <lcuk> i post random crap ideas cos i know its googlable
Aug 14 19:38:06 <lbt> sounds like a job for python...
Aug 14 19:38:44 <lcuk> lbt, im currently looking at some irc extensions to meld our maemo device properly
Aug 14 19:39:00 <lbt> go on..
Aug 14 19:39:45 <andrewfblack> ok stupid question but how do you get Karma I got 27 and didn't even know it all I know
Aug 14 19:40:00 <lcuk> well if you think a stroke is just a list of coords i could use freenode to store all the sketches
Aug 14 19:40:22 <lbt> lcuk: sick puppy
Aug 14 19:40:26 <lcuk> mixing sketches and chat in one place with whiteboarding etc
Aug 14 19:40:27 <RST38h> Mental Note: Have to cut down time here
Aug 14 19:40:27 <lbt> but...
Aug 14 19:40:31 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, link me your userpage and I'll break it down for you.
Aug 14 19:40:36 <lbt> whiteboarding...
Aug 14 19:40:39 <lcuk> :)
Aug 14 19:40:47 <lcuk> i sit here doodling whilst chatting
Aug 14 19:40:59 <GeneralAntilles> Noo, we need us more RST38h!
Aug 14 19:41:06 <RST38h> lcuk: Sure you want us all to see your doodles?
Aug 14 19:41:23 <lcuk> RST38h, im open source :)
Aug 14 19:41:28 <andrewfblack> how do I find my user page
Aug 14 19:41:36 <lcuk> idea storming is better if you can draw it
Aug 14 19:42:09 * lcuk just noticed hes on the list twice
Aug 14 19:42:31 * lcuk might make it daily/weekly
Aug 14 19:42:40 <RST38h> So, you intend to do doodle<->irc bridge? =)
Aug 14 19:42:50 <lcuk> does anyone have a near complete full log?   some of the lurkers over there must do
Aug 14 19:42:59 <lcuk> yes RST38h
Aug 14 19:43:02 <GeneralAntilles> mgedmin
Aug 14 19:43:03 <RST38h> mgedmin does
Aug 14 19:43:12 <lcuk> i said up there ill try and contact him
Aug 14 19:43:14 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack: https://maemo.org/profile/view/andrewfblack/
Aug 14 19:43:16 <RST38h> lcuk: I would then use a separate channel and feed SVG data there
Aug 14 19:43:25 <GeneralAntilles> Your karma is from Garage project membership
Aug 14 19:43:38 <lcuk> RST38h, svg is heavy on the formatting, im only interested in the raw strokes
Aug 14 19:43:44 <andrewfblack> Cool that I what I figured
Aug 14 19:43:44 <RST38h> lcuk: So that a "doodle client" would connect to that channel, gather SVGs and draw them onto canvas in different colors
Aug 14 19:43:50 <RST38h> lcuk: Ok, then yes, by all means
Aug 14 19:43:53 <andrewfblack> You get it for adding to wiki also right?
Aug 14 19:44:00 <lcuk> RST38h, did you install liqbase?
Aug 14 19:44:03 <RST38h> lcuk: You can even gzip+binhex them
Aug 14 19:44:05 <RST38h> lcuk: Yep
Aug 14 19:44:16 <RST38h> But I have got an old version, one you passed around via itt
Aug 14 19:44:24 <lcuk> then if you go look into the _apg folder in MyDocs you will see the strokes
Aug 14 19:44:29 <lbt> andrewfblack: no such luck
Aug 14 19:44:31 <lcuk> its just colors and points basically
Aug 14 19:44:32 <lbt> (yet)
Aug 14 19:44:49 <lcuk> get the basics working then work on the additions
Aug 14 19:44:51 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, wiki karma plugin will come around eventually.
Aug 14 19:45:03 <RST38h> lcuk: SVG does have a tag for these
Aug 14 19:45:03 <andrewfblack> So what do you get Karma for right now just Garage?
Aug 14 19:45:13 <RST38h> lcuk: So they will look about the same in SVG
Aug 14 19:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> Mailing lists, Garage, Downloads, bugs, blogs, ratings.
Aug 14 19:45:43 <lcuk> so i waste 80 characters on formatting instead of just saying stroke:(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z),(x,y,z)
Aug 14 19:45:55 <lcuk> exporting to svg is something someone else can do
Aug 14 19:46:04 <RST38h> lcuk: Yea, that is a drawback of all xml based crap
Aug 14 19:46:19 <lcuk> xml is great but not for this use case
Aug 14 19:46:25 * RST38h should probably go into anal-retentive mode and file more bugs
Aug 14 19:46:35 <andrewfblack> You get it for downloads lol I never both to login to download something
Aug 14 19:46:35 <lcuk> you came out of it?
Aug 14 19:46:56 <GeneralAntilles> andrewfblack, Downloads, not downloads.
Aug 14 19:47:02 <GeneralAntilles> http://downloads.maemo.org
Aug 14 19:47:08 <RST38h> lcuk: this is just 50% of the total capacity
Aug 14 19:47:42 <lcuk> you mean that up there ^
Aug 14 19:47:51 <lcuk> if so, yer i could jsut use binary formatting
Aug 14 19:47:57 <lcuk> but im not expecting it to work
Aug 14 19:48:04 <thefool> I am having some problems getting scratchbox setup and was wondering if anyone could be of assistance.
Aug 14 19:48:38 <lardman> ha! I've beated you alloca()!
Aug 14 19:48:44 <lbt> thefool: what's the prob?
Aug 14 19:49:00 <thefool> I am trying to install the bora SDK with scratchbox, First I tried using the 3.1 installer scripts but after installing scratchbox the sdk informed me that my version of scratchbox was not new enough
Aug 14 19:49:24 <lbt> bora.... OK - not been there myself
Aug 14 19:49:29 <lbt> what host OS?
Aug 14 19:49:32 <lcuk> lardman, whats wrong with your alloca
Aug 14 19:49:35 <thefool> so I installed the latest version of scratchbox and now the SDK is telling me that it is not fully installed because it is looking for some old files that aren't there on the new version
Aug 14 19:49:38 <GeneralAntilles> Notice to everybody: it is the _maemo.org_ Community Council
Aug 14 19:49:39 <lardman> lcuk: I hate it!
Aug 14 19:49:41 <thefool> lbt, ubuntu
Aug 14 19:49:44 <GeneralAntilles> Not the _Maemo_ Community Council
Aug 14 19:49:46 <lardman> lcuk: and the DSP doesn't support it
Aug 14 19:49:48 <thefool> 8.04
Aug 14 19:49:54 <lcuk> lol why not the more conventional malloc
Aug 14 19:49:57 <lcuk> ahhhh
Aug 14 19:50:13 <lardman> lcuk: because Tremor uses it all over the place, grrr!
Aug 14 19:50:44 <lbt> thefool: have you tried a reinstall of the sdk once sb has upgraded?
Aug 14 19:50:49 <lcuk> if you are replacing it, you muyst ensure you put free() in the right places
Aug 14 19:51:03 <lardman> lcuk: tell me about it! :)
Aug 14 19:51:21 <lcuk> lol theres quite a bit of difference
Aug 14 19:51:29 <thefool> yea, the sdk informed me that scratchbox was not fully installed, and referenced some missing files that are not in the new version as far as I can tell
Aug 14 19:51:34 <lardman> I know, it's pita
Aug 14 19:51:54 <lcuk> i thought that was dsp anyway?
Aug 14 19:52:01 <RST38h> lardman: Why in the world would you need Tremor?
Aug 14 19:52:05 <lbt> I suggest blatting the old install and try again
Aug 14 19:52:09 <lcuk> or is the original tremor just arm
Aug 14 19:52:12 <lardman> lcuk: ?
Aug 14 19:52:16 <lardman> lcuk: porting to the dsp
Aug 14 19:52:25 <lardman> RST38h even
Aug 14 19:52:56 <lcuk> lardman, ahhh everything ive heard about tremor has had dsp- before it :)
Aug 14 19:53:09 <thefool> blatting?
Aug 14 19:53:12 <lcuk> but thats just you
Aug 14 19:53:30 <lardman> lcuk: no, it's fixed point, for arm basically, but yeah, when I talk about it it's dsp-tremor
Aug 14 19:53:55 <lbt> thefool: clean out the partially installed sdk and reinstall clean
Aug 14 19:54:08 <lbt> thefool: why bora?
Aug 14 19:54:16 <thefool> ok, can I assume it is all in the scratchbox folder?
Aug 14 19:54:39 <lbt> well - you can't just rm /scratchbox
Aug 14 19:54:42 <thefool> have an old 770 I want to write something for and for some reason it was not getting along with 2008HE
Aug 14 19:54:54 <thefool> lbt, darn, lol then what do I do?
Aug 14 19:55:01 <lbt> OK - just making sure you know why :)
Aug 14 19:56:33 <lbt> hmm - I think you can remove /scratchbox/users/*
Aug 14 19:56:37 <lbt> lemme check
Aug 14 19:57:34 <moontiger> i did rm -rf /scratchbox ... worked for me
Aug 14 19:57:55 <lbt> and did it work after?
Aug 14 19:58:17 <lbt> ie sb-conf
Aug 14 19:58:19 <moontiger> yup ... apt-get remove scratchbox ... then the rm -rf ... then re-install and all good
Aug 14 19:58:51 <thefool> lbt, hmm I think I broke things, I rm -R /scratchbox a while back when trying to fix things...
Aug 14 19:58:56 <lbt> I guess that's clean
Aug 14 19:59:00 <lbt> ah
Aug 14 19:59:09 <lbt> OK - then do what moontiger says
Aug 14 19:59:21 <lbt> apt-get remove it and start again
Aug 14 19:59:52 <lbt> (although how rm -r ever fixed anything.... <sigh>)
Aug 14 19:59:54 <lbt> ;
Aug 14 20:00:08 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, when are you gonna move the images into ~/.liqbase?
Aug 14 20:00:11 <thefool> apt-get "Couldn't find package scratchbox"
Aug 14 20:00:19 <lcuk> when i release the next version
Aug 14 20:00:21 <lbt> bbl
Aug 14 20:00:25 <moontiger> lbt ... i think only *after* apt-get remove does it work properly
Aug 14 20:00:26 <GeneralAntilles> Woo
Aug 14 20:00:33 <thefool> lbt, lol yea...woops
Aug 14 20:00:37 <lcuk> but i dont even think it will end up there
Aug 14 20:00:41 <zfigz> Do you guys know where to see if WiMax will be coming to my city/state/
Aug 14 20:00:42 <lcuk> theres quite a few things on the boil
Aug 14 20:00:45 <lcuk> back later
Aug 14 20:00:54 * GeneralAntilles turns up lcuk's stove.
Aug 14 20:02:05 * GAN800 hadn't realized Images handled anomated gifs.
Aug 14 20:03:27 <thefool> so apt-get doesn't seem to know what scratchbox is, I foolishly rm -R ed the  /scratchbox folder so things are fairly well borked, not sure how to go about recovering
Aug 14 20:03:32 <thefool> user error sucks lol
Aug 14 20:04:12 <RST38h> GAN: BTW, is the bug with Images not being able to handle large images in the bugzilla?
Aug 14 20:04:31 <GAN800> Can it not?
Aug 14 20:04:40 <GAN800> How large are we talking?
Aug 14 20:04:44 <RST38h> Nope. Try opening a few 7mpx jpegs
Aug 14 20:04:45 <thefool> any clue on how to go about fixing this?
Aug 14 20:04:53 <GAN800> It got a _lot_ better with OS2008
Aug 14 20:05:00 <RST38h> thefool: Remove SB. Reinstall SB.
Aug 14 20:05:05 <RST38h> GAN: This is on OS2008.
Aug 14 20:05:15 <GAN800> RST38h, I don't think there is a bug
Aug 14 20:05:24 <RST38h> Well, let us not call it a bug
Aug 14 20:05:33 <RST38h> Let us call it "unwise memory usage"
Aug 14 20:05:43 <GAN800> Go ahead and file, but please attach a test image and include your real os version.
Aug 14 20:06:21 <thefool> RST38h, not sure where it put everything, and a reinstall is telling me that sbox_adduser is not executable and then erroring out
Aug 14 20:07:10 <RST38h> thefool: What is your host OS?
Aug 14 20:07:17 <thefool> ubuntu
Aug 14 20:07:30 <RST38h> thefool: There is Aptitude package manager in ubuntu
Aug 14 20:07:52 <RST38h> thefool: Run it from the menu. Find all installed Maemo SDK packages. Mark them as "Remove Completely"
Aug 14 20:08:10 <RST38h> And do "OK" or whatever red button is there
Aug 14 20:08:23 <thefool> ahh was looking for something about scratchbox didn't think to look for maemo sdk
Aug 14 20:10:16 <thefool> RST38h, thanks, reinstalling now :)
Aug 14 20:10:25 <thefool> bah same error :(
Aug 14 20:12:50 <thefool> alright, missed a package looks to be installing fine now
Aug 14 20:12:56 <thefool> thanks again
Aug 14 20:21:23 <thefool> I am getting
Aug 14 20:21:36 <thefool> E: Toolchain cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm required for 'SDK_ARMEL' target.
Aug 14 20:21:36 <thefool> E: Toolchain cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 required for 'SDK_X86' target.
Aug 14 20:21:45 <thefool> when trying to install the sdk
Aug 14 20:21:56 <thefool> scratchbox is a fresh install now
Aug 14 20:24:02 <Jaffa> re
Aug 14 20:25:11 <lbt> wiki is back to its old sluggish self...
Aug 14 20:25:13 <GAN800> Hey, Jaffa.
Aug 14 20:25:29 <GAN800> lbt, least it works. ;)
Aug 14 20:26:03 <andrewfblack> wiki is mad at me again :)
Aug 14 20:28:07 <RST38h> thefool: You are probably missing a repository
Aug 14 20:28:37 <RST38h> *or* you have not installed the top level package
Aug 14 20:29:36 <brontide> GeneralAntilles: not that you don't have enough to do... WTF thumeperwad is asking for speedy deletion of the archives because they didn't get copied over in the rename
Aug 14 20:30:01 <thefool> RST38h, dumber than that, it went and installed the latest setup which uses glibc2.5...bora uses 2.0
Aug 14 20:30:45 <Jaffa> Excellent: 3 candidates already :-D
Aug 14 20:31:28 <thefool> 3 canidates for what?
Aug 14 20:32:11 <Jaffa> maem.org Community Council
Aug 14 20:32:17 <Jaffa> +o
Aug 14 20:32:28 <thefool> ah :)
Aug 14 20:33:37 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: did someone Nominate them self? lol
Aug 14 20:33:55 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: that's the idea
Aug 14 20:34:58 <thefool> don't want anyone to just get drafted and not have the time for it, so I guess it makes sense
Aug 14 20:34:58 <andrewfblack> Lol just read the rest of the email your supose to Nominate yourself lol
Aug 14 20:36:04 <andrewfblack> thats true
Aug 14 20:36:38 <andrewfblack> Hey I just realized my Windows Theme is on top 100 Garage Projects for most downloads lol near very bottom but on there
Aug 14 20:36:38 * Jaffa decides to sleep rather than write an email
Aug 14 20:37:04 <RST38h> thefool: Why the hell would you need bora?
Aug 14 20:41:14 <GeneralAntilles> ~RST38h++
Aug 14 20:44:42 <keesj> Jaffa has plenty of carma ? going for president?
Aug 14 20:47:40 <thefool> my 770 does not like 2008HE for some reason
Aug 14 20:47:49 <thefool> I was getting a reboot about every minute
Aug 14 20:48:12 <thefool> and I am trying to design an app to interface with a robotics project I am working on
Aug 14 20:48:40 <thefool> I will release the code and all, but I don't see it being much use to anyone
Aug 14 20:48:49 <GeneralAntilles> Navi!
Aug 14 20:48:57 <Navi> Damn, I'm caught!
Aug 14 20:50:09 <Jaffa> That's so cool: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20080814/uni-washington-microsoft-research-yet-another-mindblowing-3d-photo-viewer/
Aug 14 20:52:18 <GeneralAntilles> Navi again!
Aug 14 20:52:27 <lbt> how the hell do I upload my ssh keys to garage?
Aug 14 20:52:31 <lbt> do I need an invite first?
Aug 14 20:53:07 <GeneralAntilles> lol, whose in charge of uploading rights while X-Fade's gone?
Aug 14 20:53:09 <GeneralAntilles> Ed?
Aug 14 20:53:17 <GeneralAntilles> s/whose/who's/
Aug 14 20:53:47 <GeneralAntilles> lbt, I assume you've got an invite at least once, right?
Aug 14 20:53:53 <GeneralAntilles> s/got/gotten/
Aug 14 20:53:53 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: lbt, I assume you've gotten an invite at least once, right?
Aug 14 20:53:54 <lbt> no
Aug 14 20:54:02 <lbt> I have a project
Aug 14 20:54:05 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, then you need an invite.
Aug 14 20:54:16 <lbt> and I just asked 15 mins ago
Aug 14 20:54:23 <lbt> Iwas going to do some prep
Aug 14 20:54:28 <lbt> (upload ssh key)
Aug 14 20:54:30 <lbt> OK
Aug 14 20:54:57 <GeneralAntilles> The invite has to be processed before you can upload the key.
Aug 14 20:55:04 <GeneralAntilles> Invites are processed by hand.
Aug 14 20:55:10 <GeneralAntilles> and X-Fade's on vacation.
Aug 14 20:55:14 <Jaffa> There should be links on Upload_to_Extras page
Aug 14 20:55:23 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: no deputy?
Aug 14 20:55:31 <GeneralAntilles> So, uh, I'm assuming Ed Bartosh is handling it, but don't know for sure.
Aug 14 20:55:56 <algerion> ahoy
Aug 14 20:56:05 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy
Aug 14 20:56:07 <lbt> Shopper is ready for autobuild testing - it's been working for a while now
Aug 14 20:56:18 <algerion> how's it going?
Aug 14 20:56:28 <lbt> it's raining
Aug 14 20:56:31 <GeneralAntilles> Navi again again!
Aug 14 20:56:36 <GeneralAntilles> It's raining here, too.
Aug 14 20:56:52 <algerion> rained for a minute here earlier
Aug 14 20:57:08 <lbt> pretty good then :D
Aug 14 20:57:13 <GeneralAntilles> and this concludes the #maemo weather report on the 7s!
Aug 14 20:57:15 <lbt> since I'm inside
Aug 14 20:57:25 <algerion> lol, true
Aug 14 20:57:31 <algerion> anyone play around with android much?
Aug 14 20:57:43 <GeneralAntilles> Android is the epitome of lameness.
Aug 14 20:57:44 <algerion> as in, is there much to do with it yet?
Aug 14 20:58:00 <thefool> GeneralAntilles, why is that?
Aug 14 20:58:04 <algerion> lol, I haven't had any problems with os 2008 so far
Aug 14 20:58:09 <lbt> ooh, ooh, is Android on the N800?
Aug 14 20:58:11 <DrgnAK> It's much more fun to run it in it's development environment than it is to run it any where else
Aug 14 20:58:28 <algerion> oh, except it likes to mount my internal flash as read only
Aug 14 20:58:38 <lbt> does it have an autobuilder?
Aug 14 20:58:53 <thefool> I haven't really looked at it but google tends to put out interesting products...if not overly secure ones...
Aug 14 20:59:24 <lbt> with adverts
Aug 14 20:59:45 <algerion> heh, and of course, massive databases
Aug 14 21:00:28 <thefool> so I wonder what makes it the "epitome of lameness"
Aug 14 21:01:20 <algerion> currenly, I'd guess lack of things to do with it, but that will change once it gets put into something that will compete with the iphone
Aug 14 21:02:04 <GeneralAntilles> thefool, well, it doesn't really do or have anything interesting at the moment
Aug 14 21:02:08 <GeneralAntilles> It's lame non-native code
Aug 14 21:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> it's a cellphone OS
Aug 14 21:02:28 <GeneralAntilles> and the version on the tablets is about 3 major revisions old
Aug 14 21:02:32 <GeneralAntilles> and not going to get any newer.
Aug 14 21:03:04 <piguet> Hi! I've written a GPS application, released in beta as a deb file at http://nyctergatis.com/hike/, and some notes on the creation of deb files, at http://nyctergatis.com/maemopkg/ . Where should I announce them?
Aug 14 21:03:08 <glass_> android is just lame new personal java
Aug 14 21:03:17 <glass_> and late too
Aug 14 21:03:47 <GAN800> Oh, and it's hype-city
Aug 14 21:03:58 <lbt> piguet: well - the notes would be great on the wiki
Aug 14 21:04:04 <GAN800> Hi, glass. :)
Aug 14 21:04:22 <algerion> anyone run kismet on an 810?
Aug 14 21:04:36 <lbt> and https://garage.maemo.org/ is the place to put hike
Aug 14 21:04:37 <algerion> it always crashes after a couple minutes on mine
Aug 14 21:04:52 <piguet> Ibt: ok, thanks. And the application? Garage seems way too complicated at this stage.
Aug 14 21:04:57 <lbt> nah
Aug 14 21:05:03 <GAN800> piguet, get yourself a garage.maemo.org project and get the application into Extras-devel (http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras)
Aug 14 21:05:03 <lbt> I put Shopper on there
Aug 14 21:05:17 <lbt> think of it as a simple file upload for the deb/src
Aug 14 21:05:37 <GAN800> and see http://maemo.org/intro for more details on distributing applications.
Aug 14 21:05:51 <lbt> see http://shopper.garage.maemo.org/ for a tiny app :)
Aug 14 21:06:21 <GAN800> ~upload-extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Aug 14 21:06:22 <infobot> okay, GAN800
Aug 14 21:09:38 <GAN800> ~extras
Aug 14 21:09:47 <GAN800> ~extras
Aug 14 21:10:04 <piguet> The problem I see with Garage is that one has to submit a source package and I've avoided completely the dpkg-buildpackage stuff (seemed to complicated for a one-source-file project), hence http://nyctergatis.com/maemopkg/ .
Aug 14 21:10:23 <GAN800> ~extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 14 21:10:24 <infobot> okay, GAN800
Aug 14 21:10:34 <GeneralAntilles> You don't have to submit anything to Garage.
Aug 14 21:10:44 <lbt> piguet: that's only if you want to publish it to extras, not garage
Aug 14 21:10:45 <GeneralAntilles> Autobuilder is the one you need to submit a source package to.
Aug 14 21:13:27 <Mek> hmm... somehow form scratchbox I can't seem to be able to resolve hostnames... It used to work just fine, but now it won't...
Aug 14 21:17:49 <GeneralAntilles> milhouse, ping.
Aug 14 21:18:01 <milhouse> ponh
Aug 14 21:18:03 <milhouse> pong
Aug 14 21:18:14 <GeneralAntilles> You see dneary's elections announcement?
Aug 14 21:18:30 <milhouse> debugging network issues with my squeezebox controller - geez it's a nightmare :(
Aug 14 21:18:38 <milhouse> i did - i saw i'm eligibile :)
Aug 14 21:18:43 <pH5> Mek: check the contents of scratchbox's resolv.conf /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf or so.
Aug 14 21:19:05 <GeneralAntilles> milhouse, send your candidacy announcement in! Gogogo! :P
Aug 14 21:19:29 <Mek> pH5: yeah, but whatever I enter there it just won't work...
Aug 14 21:27:18 <lcuk> mrs lcuk wasn't very lcuky tonight :(
Aug 14 21:28:31 <Jaffa> phwoar
Aug 14 21:28:36 <Jaffa> real sleep now
Aug 14 21:33:11 <RST38h> lcuk: how about mrs n800 though? =)
Aug 14 21:34:04 <lcuk> not yet, i have to say she was incredibly brave and managed to keep hold of the dvd player
Aug 14 21:34:34 <lcuk> she found a novel and inventive (and rather quick) way to get down the stairs
Aug 14 21:35:07 <lcuk> shame the bruises wont heal for a while :(
Aug 14 21:35:45 <lbt> and you're on irc?
Aug 14 21:35:52 <lbt> bad husband
Aug 14 21:35:57 <lbt> go make more tea
Aug 14 21:36:48 <lcuk> i made all the tea i can and mopped up the blood (this was earlier)
Aug 14 21:37:03 <GeneralAntilles> what the hell happened? O_o
Aug 14 21:37:25 <lbt> yeah - mrs lbt slipped on some tiles recently - not nice!
Aug 14 21:37:34 <Jaffa> lcuk: ouch
Aug 14 21:38:09 <RST38h> umgh
Aug 14 21:38:21 <anders_gud> Hi!
Aug 14 21:38:34 <RST38h> all right, 20 more minutes of reading and sleep
Aug 14 21:39:30 <anders_gud> just got this strange error when opening microb:
Aug 14 21:39:34 <anders_gud> operation disabled due to low memory
Aug 14 21:41:02 <anders_gud> There is a thread on it here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213877
Aug 14 21:43:08 <timely> why is that a strange error?
Aug 14 21:43:13 <timely> and what precisely is unclear about it?
Aug 14 21:43:19 <lcuk> anders_gud, im guessing that you have run out of memory
Aug 14 21:43:46 <anders_gud> i've got plenty of free space and mem, booting from mmc
Aug 14 21:44:00 <mikkov_> ram?
Aug 14 21:44:19 <anders_gud> yep and swap
Aug 14 21:44:21 <timely> so first of all
Aug 14 21:44:24 <timely> if you're booting from mmc
Aug 14 21:44:26 <timely> i don't support you
Aug 14 21:44:47 <timely> there was an amusing instance where the file system order of the fonts directory resulted in some fonts not being available
Aug 14 21:46:01 <lcuk> timely, thats not amusing, that should be anonymised and posted to dailywtf
Aug 14 21:46:19 <timely> i can't remember if it was in a bug report
Aug 14 21:46:20 <timely> it might be
Aug 14 21:46:33 <lcuk> heh
Aug 14 21:46:45 <timely> anyway, one of those comments says they have 16mb of ram free
Aug 14 21:46:48 <timely> that seems very low
Aug 14 21:46:51 <lcuk> are patches internally submitted to svn type systems?
Aug 14 21:46:58 <timely> no
Aug 14 21:47:15 <timely> in rare cases people post patches to bugzilla
Aug 14 21:47:30 <timely> Version Control varies by product and affiliation
Aug 14 21:47:37 <timely> kernel is git afiliated
Aug 14 21:47:41 <lcuk> ok, is code developed using svn type principles
Aug 14 21:47:44 <timely> microb will be hg afiliated
Aug 14 21:47:46 <lcuk> ahhh right
Aug 14 21:48:03 <timely> (currently it's actually svn for strange reasons, although upstream is cvs)
Aug 14 21:48:12 <lcuk> hodgepodge reflecting the genetics of each project
Aug 14 21:48:21 <timely> yep
Aug 14 21:48:22 <Mek> ah, damn.. there are two resolv.conf files in scratchbox...
Aug 14 21:48:26 <Mek> that truely sucks...
Aug 14 21:48:31 <lcuk> can understand actually
Aug 14 21:48:36 <timely> mek: that's what makes life interesting
Aug 14 21:49:59 <timely> anders_gud: the thing you linked to basically shows devices that don't have enough free memory to run a browser
Aug 14 21:50:05 <timely> and you're acting surprised when the browser says as much
Aug 14 21:51:31 <timely> anders_gud: if you want to do something useful, run top, then use /proc to check /proc/{pid}/cmdline to figure out what the memory hogging maemo-launcher's are
Aug 14 22:00:06 <anders_gud> well it seems that only the browser is affected, no other apps are complaining..
Aug 14 22:04:04 <anders_gud> ok it's late - thanks anyway!
Aug 14 22:04:08 <anders_gud> bye
Aug 14 22:04:35 <GeneralAntilles> Ahh, itT. . . .
Aug 14 22:08:28 <timely> no other apps use memory...
Aug 14 22:08:48 <timely> and what part of "this also affects the about product" means "no other apps are affected"
Aug 14 22:08:55 <timely> it'd affect any web browser...
Aug 14 22:09:25 <timely> lcuk: please anonymize anders and post him to WTF
Aug 14 22:09:40 <lcuk> :D
Aug 14 22:13:39 <GeneralAntilles> I unno what's with all the hatin' on Modest
Aug 14 22:13:44 <GeneralAntilles> I'm really loving it.
Aug 14 22:13:51 <lardman> night all
Aug 14 22:14:06 <timely> who hates it?
Aug 14 22:14:45 <GeneralAntilles> Lots of people, seemingly
Aug 14 22:14:47 <GeneralAntilles> Many of them on itT
Aug 14 22:19:52 <JackBeSlow> have a bit of an issue and could use some help
Aug 14 22:20:37 <JackBeSlow> I just upgraded from maemo 3.1 SDK to 3.2. Now when I try to connect with the xephyr xserver I get a whole bunch of permission denied errors
Aug 14 22:22:57 <lbt> 'night all
Aug 14 22:24:14 <JackBeSlow> is the sdk environment supposed to be so bare? All I have is an empty control panel application
Aug 14 22:24:39 <JackBeSlow> oh, and maemopad
Aug 14 22:26:37 <JackBeSlow> and yet another question in case anyone comes on willing/able to answer. Are there any good python maemo tutorials left. I used to have a good basic one bookmarked but can't find it now
Aug 14 22:27:49 <timely> JackBeSlow: "yes"
Aug 14 22:27:55 <timely> you can add other stuff to the sdk if you like
Aug 14 22:28:30 <timely> you should have a gnuish thing in the status area too and maybe something on the "desktop"
Aug 14 22:28:31 <JackBeSlow> and how do I go about doing that? just download and install the .debs?
Aug 14 22:28:43 <timely> is application manager not part of the sdk?
Aug 14 22:28:52 <JackBeSlow> nope...
Aug 14 22:29:00 <timely> apt-get install then :)
Aug 14 22:29:00 <JackBeSlow> its the old sdk though bora
Aug 14 22:29:13 <JackBeSlow> heh ok
Aug 14 22:31:08 <JackBeSlow> nice
Aug 14 22:32:47 <chase_> Can anyone tell me if I can build a cable to cold flash an n800 or do I need some sort of jig?
Aug 14 22:38:01 <lcuk> chase_, cold flash?  the 800 can be flashed using the nokia supplied usb lead.  it removes everything and does not depend upon the currently installed os
Aug 14 22:39:06 <JackBeSlow> I am thinking by cold flash he means after the firmware has already been screwed up
Aug 14 22:39:07 <chase_> it won't even boot up far enough to accept usb flash
Aug 14 22:39:36 <chase_> flashes white nokia screen for about half a second and goes black.. cycles for about a minute and gives up
Aug 14 22:41:18 <GeneralAntilles> Sounds like a low battery
Aug 14 22:42:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hey, timely, lucky you, they filed a bug. ;P https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3586
Aug 14 22:43:15 <GeneralAntilles> Isn't this configurable in about:config? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3585
Aug 14 22:45:15 <chase_> alright.. if I plug usb cord in.. it shows little usb sign in the corner.. still cycles black and white nokia sign...
Aug 14 22:46:04 <GeneralAntilles> Got another device you could charge the battery up in?
Aug 14 22:46:13 <timely> from memory the timeout thing is a bug
Aug 14 22:46:20 <timely> but i thought it was already reported (dupeme?)
Aug 14 22:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> This isn't what he's after: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Dom.max_script_run_time ?
Aug 14 22:46:44 <timely> chase_: we don't do usb charging
Aug 14 22:46:46 <chase_> apparently I just had to time starting the flasher at the precise moment
Aug 14 22:46:49 <timely> GeneralAntilles: no
Aug 14 22:47:04 <timely> we have some requirements that we honor system inactivity dim
Aug 14 22:47:13 <timely> and sadly the apis are horribly misnamed in the platform
Aug 14 22:47:25 <timely> so we listen for an event that should be the right one, but isn't
Aug 14 22:50:15 <timely> @#J$@!KL$#@%@#5
Aug 14 22:50:22 * timely kicks safari
Aug 14 22:50:25 <timely> where's undo close window?
Aug 14 22:50:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehehe
Aug 14 22:51:02 * GeneralAntilles did that yesterday.
Aug 14 22:51:13 <timely> bugs.maemo.org asked me to login
Aug 14 22:51:26 <timely> and i assumed i had posted my comment, so i closed the bug (window)
Aug 14 22:51:30 <MangoFusion> "Reopen last closed window"?
Aug 14 22:51:38 <MangoFusion> its in History
Aug 14 22:51:55 <GeneralAntilles> Not in Safari 1.x
Aug 14 22:52:39 <timely> yeah, definitely not there
Aug 14 22:52:54 <timely> feel free to give me an unused legal license for 10.5
Aug 14 22:53:04 <MangoFusion> 1.x? what os are you living on? ;)
Aug 14 22:53:08 <MangoFusion> oh right
Aug 14 22:53:09 <timely> 10.3.9
Aug 14 22:53:53 <MangoFusion> ah i see
Aug 14 22:54:22 <GeneralAntilles> timely, is from the past.
Aug 14 22:54:34 <MangoFusion> no obvious way to do that unless you hand over some $$ ;)
Aug 14 22:54:36 <Luria> ask pystar for one, im sure theyll give you one as a promo
Aug 14 22:54:47 <timely> Luria, :)
Aug 14 22:55:09 <GeneralAntilles> Panther, Bora, it's like we're going on a trip back in time
Aug 14 22:55:36 <timely> i think my 770 runs gregale :)
Aug 14 22:55:42 <timely> or was it the one before that?
Aug 14 22:56:14 * GeneralAntilles shakes his head.
Aug 14 22:57:13 <GeneralAntilles> You know MicroB's a lot nicer now than it was a year ago. :P
Aug 14 22:57:15 <Luria> must not look at guitar webpages
Aug 14 22:59:47 <timely> mistral ?
Aug 14 23:00:03 <JackBeSlow> yea, that was the one before gregale
Aug 14 23:00:09 <GeneralAntilles> Mistral, Gregale, Scirocco
Aug 14 23:00:21 <JackBeSlow> scirocco? never even heard of that one
Aug 14 23:00:26 <timely> hrm, well i definitely don't run scirocco
Aug 14 23:00:27 <GeneralAntilles> 2.2
Aug 14 23:00:30 <timely> i run one of the other two
Aug 14 23:00:56 <JackBeSlow> timely: at the lest you should load bora on it, it is quite usable
Aug 14 23:00:59 <timely> probably gregale w/ mistral packages?
Aug 14 23:01:02 <GeneralAntilles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo_(operating_system)#Release_history
Aug 14 23:01:04 <JackBeSlow> s/lest/least
Aug 14 23:01:45 <timely> but that isn't supported! :)
Aug 14 23:01:55 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
Aug 14 23:01:59 <timely> besides, i have dozens of apps on my device
Aug 14 23:02:13 <JackBeSlow> anyways thanks for the help everyon I have a fully working dev environment now. Now I just need to find a good python GUI tutorial...I can't find the link to the one I used before
Aug 14 23:02:16 <timely> GeneralAntilles: have you installed the flash fix? :)
Aug 14 23:02:23 <GeneralAntilles> No, want me to?
Aug 14 23:02:23 <JackBeSlow> s/everyon/everyone
Aug 14 23:02:29 <GeneralAntilles> Flash is basically perma-off here.
Aug 14 23:02:36 <timely> GeneralAntilles: everyone should until we release a real fix
Aug 14 23:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> Want me to advertise it?
Aug 14 23:02:56 <timely> we spoke w/ adobe thursday(yesterday localtime) and they were supposed to certify it
Aug 14 23:02:59 <timely> yeah, might as well
Aug 14 23:03:08 <timely> we can't possibly get it out before middle of next week
Aug 14 23:03:17 <timely> and i don't know how the ssu process will work
Aug 14 23:03:36 <timely> ... certify it that day w/ us finishing paperwork today (friday)
Aug 14 23:03:38 <GeneralAntilles> So, time frame for the fix is within 1 month-ish?
Aug 14 23:03:43 <timely> yes
Aug 14 23:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> OK, then I wont toss it krisse's direction.
Aug 14 23:04:04 <timely> but in the interim, i'd hate for people to be blocked from facebook :)
Aug 14 23:16:16 <timely> GeneralAntilles: wanna file bugs about lame strings?
Aug 14 23:16:28 <GeneralAntilles> Website stuff?
Aug 14 23:16:58 <timely> http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/hildon-application-manager-l10n-public-5.0+r6160/po/en_GB.po#393
Aug 14 23:24:53 <timely> anyone here have chinook?
Aug 14 23:41:47 <lcuk> timely, yer
Aug 14 23:50:33 <bef0rd> hi!
Aug 14 23:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, what does this show you on device? http://www.adobe.com//swf/software/flash/about/flashAbout_info_small.swf
Aug 14 23:51:16 <lcuk> probably nothing cos i dont use flash, gimme a mo to turn net on
Aug 14 23:52:33 <lcuk2> spam again plz
Aug 14 23:53:35 <lcuk> http://www.adobe.com//swf/software/flash/about/flashAbout_info_small.swf
Aug 14 23:55:11 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles version 9,0,31,35
Aug 14 23:55:17 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks!
Aug 14 23:55:25 <lcuk> you! are! welcome!
Aug 14 23:55:32 <brontide> GeneralAntilles: despite {{holdon}} tags they went ahead and deleted both archives!
Aug 14 23:55:38 <brontide> argh
Aug 14 23:55:42 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 14 23:56:07 <brontide> Not that I am sad to see some of it lost, but why not merge the archives
Aug 14 23:56:12 <GeneralAntilles> Odd that they're so interested in deleting.
Aug 14 23:56:19 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it wasn't particularly useful stuff.
Aug 14 23:56:28 <GeneralAntilles> But it was fairly epic in its own right.
Aug 14 23:56:42 <GeneralAntilles> Something fun to show off to friends. ;)
Aug 14 23:56:44 <brontide> At that point, just delete all the archives
Aug 14 23:57:08 <lcuk> brontide, whats bein deleted/
Aug 14 23:57:19 <brontide> Just useless talk page ranting
Aug 14 23:57:25 <GeneralAntilles> The meanwhile/Umptious archives from wikipedia.
Aug 14 23:58:21 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, can i disable flash again on my device now?
Aug 14 23:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Aug 14 23:58:31 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks
Aug 14 23:58:45 <lcuk> good, its such a cpu killer
Aug 14 23:58:50 <brontide> GA actually most of it's still there because the old archives have now overidden the newer archives
Aug 14 23:58:54 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, timely, sjgadsby is working on the back-dated bugjars.
Aug 14 23:59:11 <GeneralAntilles> So an even less useful deletion?
Aug 14 23:59:12 <GeneralAntilles> nice.
Aug 14 23:59:23 <brontide> just the inbetween stuff is now gone, I should probably restore the talk page and then remake my archives
Aug 15 00:01:10 <brontide> doing that now
Aug 15 00:01:46 <GeneralAntilles> Just as long as the articles themselves don't suddenly become full of crazy rambling again I'm OK. :D
Aug 15 00:06:51 <brontide> fixed ( I hope )
Aug 15 00:07:45 <brontide> wiki.maemo.org... I though that was fixed!
Aug 15 00:08:00 <brontide> ( empty page again )
Aug 15 00:08:36 <brontide> chug chug chug
Aug 15 00:09:58 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, the watchdog that was killing threads was fixed
Aug 15 00:10:13 <GeneralAntilles> The random Apache thread segfaults are waiting on the server upgrades.
Aug 15 00:10:27 <GeneralAntilles> 2-ish weeks
Aug 15 00:25:37 <tank-man> weird, my bootmenu on my n800 is gone and all i did was backup my sd card on my pc
Aug 15 00:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> Did you install 30-2?
Aug 15 00:28:05 <tank-man> what is 30-2?
Aug 15 00:28:42 <GeneralAntilles> 4.2008.30-2
Aug 15 00:28:47 <GeneralAntilles> The first SSU update
Aug 15 00:28:50 <tank-man> i was dualbooting with diablo on internal flash and chinnok on sd.
Aug 15 00:28:56 <tank-man> yes i believe i did
Aug 15 00:29:21 <GeneralAntilles> Then there you go
Aug 15 00:29:27 <GeneralAntilles> The initfs was one of the things updated
Aug 15 00:29:36 <tank-man> i see
Aug 15 00:29:45 <GeneralAntilles> Grab fanoush's latest initfs_flasher, drop your bootmenu.conf in there and run it again.
Aug 15 00:31:12 * GeneralAntilles still needs to write a section up on the latest SSU update.
Aug 15 00:44:23 <GeneralAntilles> OK, wiki article on SSU
Aug 15 00:44:32 <GeneralAntilles> Should I name it "SSU" or "Seamless Software Update"?
Aug 15 00:46:03 <pupnik_> Seamless
Aug 15 00:48:37 <n800n> software!
Aug 15 00:49:32 <jott> update
Aug 15 00:49:55 <GeneralAntilles> Woo!
Aug 15 00:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> Anyway
Aug 15 00:50:05 <GeneralAntilles> Seamless Software Update it is
Aug 15 00:50:45 <jott> GeneralAntilles: might be good to add a redirect SSU -> Seamless Software Update
Aug 15 00:50:57 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, yeah, that's a plan.
Aug 15 00:54:13 <uncorq>  /msg NickServ identify antig0ne
Aug 15 00:54:22 <uncorq> i hate when I do that.
Aug 15 00:54:35 <GeneralAntilles> Time for a new password.
Aug 15 00:55:55 <uncorq> hehehe updating now ;)
Aug 15 00:56:53 <jott> just make sure you do not use this password in other places :)
Aug 15 00:58:30 <uncorq> only on the swiss bank account, promise ;-)
Aug 15 01:00:06 * jott just got rich
Aug 15 01:03:34 <GeneralAntilles> OK, updated the wiki a bit
Aug 15 01:03:38 <GeneralAntilles> Will need to expand the SSU page
Aug 15 01:03:53 <GeneralAntilles> ~ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU
Aug 15 01:03:53 <infobot> GeneralAntilles: okay
Aug 15 01:05:20 <lcuk>  /msg nickserv identify *****
Aug 15 01:06:27 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, sorry, not bash quote for you. :P
Aug 15 01:06:45 <lcuk> do not want
Aug 15 01:08:14 <lcuk> gnite chan
Aug 15 01:29:44 <n800n> <3
Aug 15 02:10:41 <n800n> hey is pidgin the only that does yahoo
Aug 15 02:10:46 <n800n> messenger?
Aug 15 02:10:53 <GeneralAntilles> No
Aug 15 02:10:55 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm does
Aug 15 02:11:00 <n800n> phew
Aug 15 02:11:04 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm supports most everything Pidgin does
Aug 15 02:11:10 <GeneralAntilles> They're both libpurple
Aug 15 02:11:16 <n800n> thanks, checking
Aug 15 02:14:12 <algerion> does anything support webcams on yahoo?
Aug 15 02:15:44 <GAN800> No
Aug 15 02:16:12 <pupnik> "I'm fair and balanced.  I would like to personally cast John McCain and Barack Obama into the lake of fire." - Scott Horton
Aug 15 02:17:40 <n800n> hm can't install rtcomm beta, says it will harm the system
Aug 15 02:19:59 <n800n> got it, works with the deb directly, i was doing it thru the app manager before
Aug 15 02:26:10 <iXce> mm, is there a working port of xchat or pidgin or gajim for diablo?
Aug 15 02:26:39 <qos> GeneralAntilles, how to fix the rotation support after the SSU update?
Aug 15 02:33:39 <GeneralAntilles> iXce, Extras-devel
Aug 15 02:33:41 <GeneralAntilles> ~extras
Aug 15 02:33:42 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 15 02:33:52 <iXce> GeneralAntilles: thanks!
Aug 15 02:43:46 <n800n> crap man, rtcomm is like 60 libs
Aug 15 02:58:21 <t_s_o> sometimes i find myself wishing the N800 stand was padded as i end up putting my hand thru it to rest the tablet that way...
Aug 15 02:59:29 <manyoso> anyone know what the pressure resolution is of the N810?
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