**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 17 02:59:57 2008
Aug 17 03:27:54 <pardsbane> Hi, I got scratchbox2 running on OS X, but I'm having trouble with testing it out, is anyone around to help?
Aug 17 03:35:29 <bef0rd> hi
Aug 17 03:35:36 <pardsbane> hi
Aug 17 03:35:52 <bef0rd> scratchbox2 is for maemo-sdk+, right?
Aug 17 03:35:58 <pardsbane> yeah
Aug 17 03:36:24 <bef0rd> oh, I'm still using sbox 1
Aug 17 03:36:54 <pardsbane> yeah, I figured most people were, but I thought it might be worth a shot
Aug 17 03:37:54 <pardsbane> :) I think its just some sort of wierd config issue, sb2 runs without crashing, but it seems to not be wrapping / intercepting correctly or something...
Aug 17 03:38:09 <pardsbane> when sb1 is running, do all the commands run inside qemu?
Aug 17 03:40:53 <bef0rd> no, I believe it only 'redirects' some of them
Aug 17 03:41:34 <bef0rd> so when using gcc on ARM target, it uses x86 gcc to generate the ARM binary
Aug 17 03:42:21 <trev0r> who knows how to get xmame working in diabo
Aug 17 03:42:35 <pardsbane> hum. can you get a maemo environment up and running emulated on your desktop?
Aug 17 03:42:40 <pardsbane> thats possible, right?
Aug 17 03:46:42 <pardsbane> I downloaded the rootstrap.tgz and extracted that, then I can run sb2, but I can't figure out how to build the whole maemo environment
Aug 17 03:59:30 <robink> pardsbane: You shouldn't need to build it.
Aug 17 03:59:37 <robink> pardsbane: Did you follow the scratchbox tutorial?
Aug 17 03:59:52 <pardsbane> Well, I'm using scratchbox 2
Aug 17 03:59:55 <robink> Ah
Aug 17 04:00:01 <pardsbane> but I did follow all the docs there
Aug 17 04:00:05 <robink> hmm
Aug 17 04:00:18 <moontiger> whats the problem? maybe i can help :)
Aug 17 04:00:23 <pardsbane> I'm using sb2 because I believe there's no chance sb1 can run on OS X, but I sb2 should be able to
Aug 17 04:00:38 <pardsbane> ok, well I got sb2 compile and running (I think) on OS X.
Aug 17 04:01:31 <pardsbane> the sb2 docs say to test it by sb2 by running something like this "sb2 apt-get source fontconfig", but when I do that I get weird results
Aug 17 04:02:12 <pardsbane> specifically, I get this:
Aug 17 04:02:13 <pardsbane> pardsbane@Buran:~/maemo-root$ sb2 apt-get
Aug 17 04:03:35 <pardsbane> I guess the thing is I have the rootstrap-4.1 installed, but I don't know how to install the sdk or actually run any Maemo apps
Aug 17 04:31:24 <bef0rd> ;_;
Aug 17 05:30:39 <timely> http://www.maemoapps.com/2008/08/12/need-a-newer-version-of-flash-but-no-way-to-update/
Aug 17 05:30:45 <timely> was someone planning on adding a comment noting that there *is* a fix?
Aug 17 05:31:04 <timely> GeneralAntilles? :(
Aug 17 05:31:43 <GAN800> He must've missed the topic.
Aug 17 05:31:54 <timely> ?
Aug 17 05:32:08 <GAN800> I'll poke him in the morning if I remember.
Aug 17 05:32:12 <GAN800> On itT
Aug 17 05:32:23 <timely> well someone has used the "comments" field
Aug 17 05:32:37 <timely> i don't see anything wrong w/ a comment "aha, but you *can* fix it w/o waiting for nokia"
Aug 17 05:36:33 <GeneralAntilles> Commented
Aug 17 05:38:13 <timely> i'm still not sure about the branding thing
Aug 17 05:38:26 <timely> i was under the [mis?]understanding that os2008 would be able to not fix itself
Aug 17 05:38:37 <timely> and branding updates were only supposed to apply to future products
Aug 17 05:38:49 * timely should try to figure out where that conclusion came from
Aug 17 05:39:53 <GAN800> Not anywhere public
Aug 17 05:40:07 <GAN800> Not anywhere that I've seen, anyway.
Aug 17 05:40:34 <timely> andre__: i think for now i'm going to ignore 3585
Aug 17 05:40:44 <timely> i actually made the argument that Gmail was one of the apps broken by the feature
Aug 17 05:40:58 <timely> but if that guy can't even manage to point to gmail, he hasn't made a real case
Aug 17 05:41:17 <GAN800> Javascript irc made me laugg
Aug 17 05:41:30 <GAN800> s/laugg/laugh/
Aug 17 05:41:31 <infobot> GAN800 meant: Javascript irc made me laugh
Aug 17 05:42:17 <timely> it's technically correct
Aug 17 05:42:29 <timely> but i don't have any sympathy
Aug 17 05:42:43 <timely> i'd rather ditch the feature entirely in favor of a battery drain indicator
Aug 17 05:42:52 <timely> which would force the user to take responsibility for the problem
Aug 17 05:43:02 <GAN800> You shortened my summary with an ugly contraction! :P
Aug 17 05:43:04 <timely> does https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand load for you?
Aug 17 05:43:11 * GAN800 cries foul!
Aug 17 05:43:31 <GAN800> Ohh
Aug 17 05:43:36 * timely is using safari1.x
Aug 17 05:43:51 <GAN800> Give the tablets a 'mpg' meter?
Aug 17 05:43:57 <GAN800> I like that idea.
Aug 17 05:44:17 <GAN800> Fits with Nokia's whole 'green' line of bullshit
Aug 17 05:44:26 <GAN800> It loads here
Aug 17 05:44:30 <GAN800> Reload
Aug 17 05:44:50 <timely> i get a very tall page w/ white wiki content
Aug 17 05:45:04 <GAN800> Erm, dupe? https://bugs.maemo.org/show bug.cgi?id=3593
Aug 17 05:45:12 * GAN800 is a bit tired.
Aug 17 05:45:33 <timely> how can you manually type bug urls?
Aug 17 05:45:45 <timely> "easy fix" yeah right
Aug 17 05:46:00 <GAN800> Manually?
Aug 17 05:46:10 <GAN800> I cut'n'paste from MicroB.
Aug 17 05:46:24 <timely> um, it ate the _
Aug 17 05:46:42 <timely> isn't 3592 a dupe too
Aug 17 05:47:35 <GAN800> Maybe, it includes additional stuff from the original.
Aug 17 05:48:01 <GAN800> I nominate andre__ to figure it out. ;)
Aug 17 05:48:43 <timely> 3298
Aug 17 06:02:43 * timely grumbles @ http://i.newsmediamagazine.com/2008/08/16/be-a-professional-with-the-nokia-n810/
Aug 17 06:02:56 <RST38h> moorning, all
Aug 17 06:03:02 <timely> it might be good content, but if i were @nokiausa and loaded that in my browser, i'd be in trouble
Aug 17 06:03:05 <qwerty12> morning RST38h
Aug 17 06:03:51 <RST38h> timely: how much has nokia paid for this shit?=)
Aug 17 06:05:27 <robink> Does telepathy videoconference now?
Aug 17 06:05:33 <robink> It sorta seems like it's capable, but I haven't tried.
Aug 17 06:42:02 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: yo
Aug 17 06:42:30 <rm_you> lcuk: ping
Aug 17 06:45:29 <robink> rm_you: Hello
Aug 17 06:45:38 <rm_you> yo
Aug 17 06:45:53 <qwerty12> wag1 rm_you
Aug 17 06:45:56 <qwerty12> :P
Aug 17 06:46:12 <rm_you> qwerty12 / lcuk / GeneralAntilles: I'm thinking about making shirts with these logos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo_org_logo_contest_narbat_12.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_5.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_setan666_1.png
Aug 17 06:46:20 <rm_you> i need like three more designs to make
Aug 17 06:46:24 <rm_you> suggestions?
Aug 17 06:46:37 <qwerty12> Sorry, I haven't been looking at the logos.
Aug 17 06:46:43 <rm_you> :/
Aug 17 06:47:13 <robink> rm_you: I like the last one.
Aug 17 06:47:33 <rm_you> yeah, so do i, which is why i'm putting it on a shirt :p
Aug 17 06:47:34 <qwerty12> rm_you: What about Khertan's? http://khertan.net/poubelle/logo1.png
Aug 17 06:47:36 <rm_you> i need MORE tho
Aug 17 06:47:52 <rm_you> rofl
Aug 17 06:48:02 <qwerty12> :P
Aug 17 06:48:35 <rm_you> maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_attila_2.png
Aug 17 06:48:58 <rm_you> with the middle  big image on the back and the left small image on the front pocket area
Aug 17 08:02:21 <bef0rd> :]
Aug 17 08:36:33 <bef0rd> hi lardman
Aug 17 08:36:48 <lardman> hi bef0rd
Aug 17 08:37:15 * qwerty12 is happy to say I finally got rid of those annoying EAC messages in dmesg
Aug 17 08:37:19 <qwerty12> hey lardman
Aug 17 08:37:26 <lardman> hi qwerty12
Aug 17 08:37:33 <bef0rd> hi qwerty12.
Aug 17 08:37:41 <qwerty12> hi bef0rd
Aug 17 08:38:11 <bef0rd> oh, I read something about that on the back scroll, did fanoush help you?
Aug 17 08:38:46 <qwerty12> Nah, fanoush had a patch to get rid of the menelaus setting voltage messages :)
Aug 17 08:39:29 <qwerty12> Applied that and quickly patched the eac to get rid of those annoying play enabled, rec disabled messages when the sound was on.
Aug 17 08:40:23 <robink> Hey lardman.
Aug 17 08:40:41 <robink> Still haven't done anything with the dsp-tremor stuff, but I'm looking at it.
Aug 17 08:41:11 <lardman> robink: I pushed a load of changes against the mk2-use-builtin-malloc branch the other day
Aug 17 08:41:17 <robink> lardman: I just grabbed 'em.
Aug 17 08:41:20 <lardman> it compiles, I've not tested it yet
Aug 17 08:41:24 <robink> 'k
Aug 17 08:41:28 <qwerty12> lardman: btw, what is dsp-mp3 about? I thought the tablet shipped with a dsp mp3 decoder?
Aug 17 08:41:31 <robink> I still can't get the DSP code to compile.
Aug 17 08:42:07 <lardman> qwerty12: yeah, but this is one with source code, I want to implement OpenMAX style interfaces, so all the data can be kept on the DSP rather than needing to be passed back
Aug 17 08:42:13 <lardman> robink: what's the problem?
Aug 17 08:42:24 <qwerty12> Ah right :)
Aug 17 08:42:28 <lardman> s/problem/error
Aug 17 08:42:34 <robink> lardman: You have a different build environment.
Aug 17 08:42:54 <robink> lardman: It can't find avs_kernel.out, but that's not my main problem.
Aug 17 08:43:01 <lardman> robink: yeah, well most of the paths should be pretty obvious, as they have the same name
Aug 17 08:43:13 <lardman> an, avs_kernel.out is on the device, in /lib/dsp/
Aug 17 08:43:15 <robink> lardman: I don't have a cl55.
Aug 17 08:43:25 <robink> lardman: I have a copy on my machine, getting the path for that sorted out.
Aug 17 08:43:57 <robink> Oh wait, I do
Aug 17 08:44:21 <lardman> those makefiles of mine are pretty messy, lots of stuff in there is not needed
Aug 17 08:45:26 <lardman> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m587afb1e is the contents of one of the custom dirs
Aug 17 08:47:31 <lardman> also, all the libs are not really required, they do no harm, but you'll get linker errors if you start using the fns contained within them as they already existin avs_kernel.out
Aug 17 08:48:04 * lardman is not all that hot on Makefiles, once one works, he leaves well alone until it really needs to be fixed
Aug 17 08:48:30 <RST38h> lardman, hey
Aug 17 08:48:37 <lardman> hi RST38h
Aug 17 08:48:41 <RST38h> Anything new and exciting on the a2dp front?
Aug 17 08:49:05 <lardman> no, I tried a new branch using shared memory transfers - I think I wrote to the list about this
Aug 17 08:49:21 <lardman> but no real difference when decoding video, still very low fps
Aug 17 08:49:56 <lardman> I was thinking of testing playing videos of different bitrates and most importantly wxh sizes, so see if it's actually bandwidth related
Aug 17 08:50:00 <lardman> not got round to it yet
Aug 17 08:50:15 <lardman> s/wxh/width x height
Aug 17 08:50:29 <lardman> I also need to look into qwerty12's problem
Aug 17 08:52:04 <lardman> qwerty12: what was the name of that file you sent me?>
Aug 17 08:52:32 <qwerty12> lardman: Can't remember >.<. It was a lethal bizzle track though
Aug 17 08:52:43 * qwerty12 searches his hard drive
Aug 17 08:52:47 <lardman> could you send it again, I seem to have mislaid it
Aug 17 08:52:53 <lardman> sorry
Aug 17 08:52:58 <robink> argh, can't get tokliBIOS compiled.  I also might have the wrong set of tools.
Aug 17 08:53:07 <qwerty12> no problems :). Thanks for taking the time to look into it :)
Aug 17 08:53:10 <lardman> you don't need to compile tokliBios
Aug 17 08:53:41 <lardman> the dsp kernel is toklibios + Nokia closed source components, you only need the header files to link against
Aug 17 08:53:53 <lardman> to build with rather
Aug 17 08:56:08 <robink> lardman: Ah.
Aug 17 08:58:55 <lardman> The dsp gateway docs are somewhat confusing, I began thinking I needed to compile that too
Aug 17 09:02:16 <lardman> qwerty12: where does the corruption happen>
Aug 17 09:02:17 <lardman> ?
Aug 17 09:02:26 * lardman feels his ears bleeding ;)
Aug 17 09:02:47 <qwerty12> lardman: a few seconds from the offset. The whole track is like that :)
Aug 17 09:03:27 <lardman> ah yes
Aug 17 09:03:41 <lardman> pretty bad corruption really
Aug 17 09:05:15 <qwerty12> Yeah :/. Still though, sbc-dsp is brilliant though to say that's the only track it happens on though :)
Aug 17 09:06:27 <lardman> well it doesn't sound timing related, I can hear the backbeat still
Aug 17 09:08:20 <lardman> anyone know of tools I could use to chop out 10s or so of an mp3 and convert it to an .au file (because that's what the test code accepts by default)?
Aug 17 09:09:35 <lardman> interesting, that song is mono
Aug 17 09:09:50 <qwerty12> yeah, been looking for a better mp3...
Aug 17 09:10:14 <lardman> just wondering if there's an error there - all of my tracks are stereo, so I never notice
Aug 17 09:10:30 <lardman> plus the a2dp code presumes that a stereo track is provided iirc
Aug 17 09:12:29 <qwerty12> lardman: I can get you an 9 second au, should the au be u-law or pcm?
Aug 17 09:12:49 <lardman> u-law iirc
Aug 17 09:13:16 <lardman> needs to be big endian, otherwise I'll have to rewrite the test code (which I should probably do anyway...)
Aug 17 09:13:46 <lardman> but hang fire, I'm going to reencode one of my working mp3s to mono, see if that does the same
Aug 17 09:14:00 <lardman> if so, we know where the problem lies, if not, your file would be useful
Aug 17 09:14:27 <qwerty12> Hmm, not sure if it's big endian.
Aug 17 09:14:31 <qwerty12> Ok, if you want it: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/test.au
Aug 17 09:15:11 <lardman> thanks
Aug 17 09:18:30 <lardman> hmm, I wonder if I can get lame to reencode your mp3 as a stereo track and just repeat the mono for both L & R?
Aug 17 09:21:54 <zap> lardman: you can use lame+sox for that
Aug 17 09:22:27 <lardman> zap: thanks, have reencoded a stereo track to mono and it shows the same effect
Aug 17 09:23:06 <lardman> qwerty12: it's a mono problem, now time to test if I've made a mistake, or it's a limiation of the bluez implementation (iircit hardcodes the output parameters)
Aug 17 09:23:34 <qwerty12> lardman: ok, thanks
Aug 17 09:23:53 * qwerty12 hits the frostwire meanwhile :P
Aug 17 09:33:35 <lardman> qwerty12: looks like some issue in my code, bluez correctly asks for mono data to be encoded, I'll look into it
Aug 17 09:33:59 <qwerty12> Ok, thank you.
Aug 17 09:34:36 * qwerty12 is trying to find out why omweather won't give me the gradient :(
Aug 17 09:34:51 <lardman> gradient?
Aug 17 09:35:33 <qwerty12> lardman: http://tabletui.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/weather-tab1.png. I get some ugly grey thing :(
Aug 17 09:35:55 <qwerty12> (No the "ugly grey thing" isn't the gradient)
Aug 17 09:36:22 <lardman> ah right, bg
Aug 17 09:37:54 <lardman> I don't get a gradient either
Aug 17 09:38:26 <qwerty12> So it isn't just me, thanks for checking :)
Aug 17 09:41:11 <lardman> ~lart desktop applets for being a pita to move
Aug 17 09:41:11 * infobot beats desktop applets severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken for being a pita to move
Aug 17 09:41:26 * qwerty12 's problem is that they move too easily :)
Aug 17 09:41:41 <lardman> yeah, well on or the other, just never when you want! :)
Aug 17 09:41:49 <lardman> s/on/one
Aug 17 09:42:56 <qwerty12> hehe
Aug 17 09:43:25 <qwerty12> Sometimes, the applets get stuck while moving, I have to open and close the application menu and then start moving again
Aug 17 09:43:58 * qwerty12 has no idea why mce will hang on shutdown when I disable kernel debugging
Aug 17 09:44:27 <Khertgan_again> the old way to move applet was far better
Aug 17 09:45:34 <lardman> +1
Aug 17 09:45:43 <qwerty12> +2
Aug 17 09:46:48 <qwerty12> Someone should look at http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/source/maemo-af-desktop_2.9.99.25-1.tar.gz and apply the good stuff to http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/h/hildon-desktop/ ;)
Aug 17 09:47:23 <lardman> good point
Aug 17 09:47:46 <lardman> go on qwerty12, you must be bored getting up at 11 and playing playstation all day long! ;)
Aug 17 09:47:56 * lardman is jealous of school holidays :)
Aug 17 09:48:18 <qwerty12> lardman: I'm a n00b, I get up at 6:30 each day and I don't have a playstation :P :D
Aug 17 09:48:52 <zap> qwerty12: how you managed to recompile cx3110, I thought sources were available, but they seems not?
Aug 17 09:48:53 <lardman> qwerty12: well everyone has to start somewhere and it's not very hard
Aug 17 09:49:17 <qwerty12> lardman: true :)
Aug 17 09:49:25 <lardman> robink: how are you getting on?
Aug 17 09:49:42 <qwerty12> zap: I got sources from here. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/c/cx3110x-module-src/ . I had to make quite a few changes before it would compile properly for me though.
Aug 17 09:49:57 <zap> ah, cool :) so they're still available
Aug 17 09:50:06 <zap> why that nokia guy told you then that they aren't?
Aug 17 09:50:06 <lardman> and he doesn't think he could patch the desktop! ;)
Aug 17 09:50:29 <qwerty12> zap: umac and mtum sources are closed
Aug 17 09:50:34 <lardman> zap: there's two bits, a wrapper and the binary blob
Aug 17 09:50:47 <zap> ah
Aug 17 09:50:56 <zap> like nvidia drivers?
Aug 17 09:50:58 <lardman> is the blob not completely isolated from kernel structures then?
Aug 17 09:51:08 <lardman> zap: yeah that sort of thing
Aug 17 09:51:23 <lardman> otherwise no-one should even want to recompile it
Aug 17 09:52:04 <qwerty12> no idea. wlancond (the wrapper) sources are here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/o/osso-wlan/
Aug 17 09:52:52 <robink> lardman: I'm closer, but I'm giving up for the night as it's almost 3AM here.
Aug 17 09:53:17 <lardman> no worries, drop me a line or catch me here if you need any more help getting setup
Aug 17 09:54:12 <zap> 770 uses a different chip?
Aug 17 09:54:17 <qwerty12> zap: yes
Aug 17 09:54:30 <qwerty12> the predecessor of the one in N8x0
Aug 17 09:55:26 <lardman> robink: still getting a bus error
Aug 17 09:56:20 <lardman> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m410d6c92
Aug 17 09:57:07 <qwerty12> zap: if you want to recompile and sources from nokia give you undefined symbols, try this copy: http://qwerty12.maemobox.org/cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15-fixed.tar.bz2 . Using mamona patch, dummy-umac.c from the old cx version (which nokia took out, and I have no idea why because symbols are defined from there) and 1% own thinking, I made source archive that compiles fine. Just get umac.ko from initfs and place it in cx3110x-module-src-2.0.15. Ed
Aug 17 09:57:07 <qwerty12> it makefile to reflect location of your kernel sources too.
Aug 17 10:16:44 <RST38h> "Western Digital Working On a 20,000 RPM Drive"
Aug 17 10:16:59 <RST38h> Now, THAT is going to be the real weapon of terror
Aug 17 10:23:41 <jaska> weapon of mass data destruction
Aug 17 10:24:13 * qwerty12 thought that was a magnet. *evil grin*
Aug 17 10:24:42 <qwerty12> ironically, the magnet I took from  my old hard drive has to be the best I've ever used
Aug 17 10:24:54 <jaska> yeah drives have pretty oomphy magnets
Aug 17 10:25:23 <lbt> and the platters make nice coasters...
Aug 17 10:25:40 <jaska> smooth.. unless the heads took a dive
Aug 17 10:25:49 <lbt> and shaving mirrors
Aug 17 10:29:53 <lardman> what are 64kHz ogg vorbis files like?
Aug 17 10:30:05 <lbt> quiet
Aug 17 10:30:24 <lardman> in terms of quality?
Aug 17 10:30:27 <lbt> since humans can't hear above ~18kHz
Aug 17 10:30:47 <lardman> ah I see, I think it may be a bitrate rather than audio freq
Aug 17 10:30:53 <lbt> :)
Aug 17 10:31:44 <lbt> I find my 320kbps mp3's lack some bass compared to flac
Aug 17 10:31:59 <lardman> so pretty crappy then probably
Aug 17 10:32:12 <lbt> OTOH, in the car at 95mph....
Aug 17 10:32:15 <lbt> who cares
Aug 17 10:32:22 <lardman> hmm, the tables to decode anything >64kHz data are too large to fit in memory
Aug 17 10:32:38 <lbt> 64kbps
Aug 17 10:32:49 <lardman> well I'm just reading from the code
Aug 17 10:32:57 <lbt> !
Aug 17 10:33:00 <lardman> #ifdef LIMIT_TO_64kHz
Aug 17 10:33:00 <lardman>     if (vi->rate>=64000 || ci->blocksizes[1]>2048){
Aug 17 10:33:11 <lbt> ah - that could be differen
Aug 17 10:33:12 <lbt> t
Aug 17 10:33:18 <lbt> that could be subsampling
Aug 17 10:33:38 <lardman> hmm, will have to ping derf
Aug 17 10:33:46 <lardman> derf: ping
Aug 17 10:40:28 <Mace_> hm
Aug 17 10:40:42 <Mace_> cant download gftp
Aug 17 10:48:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Aug 17 10:49:20 <lbt> hi
Aug 17 10:49:27 <qwerty12> hi
Aug 17 10:50:56 <lardman> hi Jaffa
Aug 17 11:06:21 <Stskeeps> qwerty12: how boned is one if there's a corrupt initfs? unable to reflash through usb? (just curious and you seem to know a lot :P)
Aug 17 11:07:08 <qwerty12> Stskeeps: Unless the flash chip is physically damaged, reflashing through usb works fine :)
Aug 17 11:07:56 <Stskeeps> okay, so it's a process that starts before initfs is started?
Aug 17 11:09:06 <qwerty12> NOLO handles the flashing. Nolo is started before initfs and kernel
Aug 17 11:09:20 <qwerty12> (It also contains the white nokia logo :>)
Aug 17 11:09:24 <Stskeeps> that's good
Aug 17 11:10:02 * Stskeeps plans to mess a bit around with his bootmenu idea today, so
Aug 17 11:10:22 <Stskeeps> and wanted to make bloody sure i can resurrect my tablet if i mess up ;)
Aug 17 11:10:38 <lbt> Stskeeps: I wanted to document the debian boot here: https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting
Aug 17 11:11:36 <lbt> I've been doing some messing around with the bootmenu
Aug 17 11:11:44 <lbt> getting to know it...
Aug 17 11:12:05 <lbt> making it cycle back to the menu when the boot fails rather than defaulting to flash
Aug 17 11:12:12 <lbt> dead easy shell script
Aug 17 11:12:16 <Stskeeps> lbt: very interesting page indeed .. Debian booting will be a little altered compared to maemo booting if i have my way
Aug 17 11:12:25 <Stskeeps> because i'm tired of some of the hacks initfs does :)
Aug 17 11:12:43 <lbt> yes - my whole objective was to have debian and std
Aug 17 11:12:49 <lbt> co-exist on a multi-boot :)
Aug 17 11:13:11 <lbt> the bullet list at the top is what my goal was
Aug 17 11:13:20 <Stskeeps> read my bootmenu proposal?
Aug 17 11:13:23 <lbt> I didn't know at the time about your installer
Aug 17 11:13:29 <lbt> not yet - where?
Aug 17 11:13:52 <Stskeeps> https://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting
Aug 17 11:13:53 <Stskeeps> er
Aug 17 11:13:54 <Stskeeps> sec
Aug 17 11:13:58 <Stskeeps> bloody paste
Aug 17 11:14:05 * qwerty12 goes for excessive cosmetic hacks: http://i34.tinypic.com/jfdrox.png & http://i33.tinypic.com/2cy5jsn.jpg
Aug 17 11:14:20 <lbt> (actually - it struck me that we could maybe get NOLO to boot multiple kernels using an offset table in the flash)
Aug 17 11:14:24 <Stskeeps> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705
Aug 17 11:14:25 <lbt> tada - grub :)
Aug 17 11:14:57 <lbt> I don't read itt (for no good reason - just habit and slow internet)
Aug 17 11:14:58 <Stskeeps> a way to do the bootmenu add stuff would be immensely useful for any multiboot project
Aug 17 11:15:19 <lbt> did you see my bug
Aug 17 11:15:21 <Stskeeps> lbt: "mobile ii" theme is acceptable on slow internet :P i'll just cp somewhere
Aug 17 11:15:39 <Stskeeps> which one? i've been out of the loop for two weeks due to exams
Aug 17 11:15:51 <lbt> hunting
Aug 17 11:16:09 <lbt> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3589
Aug 17 11:16:39 <Stskeeps> ah, thought you meant a Deblet bug :)
Aug 17 11:16:43 <Stskeeps> but yeah, that one is a problem
Aug 17 11:16:53 <Stskeeps> http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/foo.txt is my proposal
Aug 17 11:17:03 <lbt> <shame>I don't have deblet installed yet </shame>
Aug 17 11:17:43 <lbt> I wanted to install it 'raw' so I understand it better
Aug 17 11:17:45 <Stskeeps> meh, i don't blame you, there's a showstopper fsck bug atm :P
Aug 17 11:17:58 <Stskeeps> and sound doesn't work
Aug 17 11:18:14 <lbt> sound not important
Aug 17 11:18:14 <Stskeeps> the installation procedure is pretty well documented and all hacks are structured
Aug 17 11:19:00 <lbt> I was looking for a less "1-click" way to do it - and I've only just fixed multiboot reliably
Aug 17 11:19:14 <lbt> so deblet is next
Aug 17 11:19:38 <Stskeeps> deblet will get better installer soon, some guy made a gtk python module that can be used
Aug 17 11:20:12 <Stskeeps> the main challenge for deblet right now is having a "proper" bootmenu so we can add boot menu entries that match deblet needs
Aug 17 11:20:29 <Stskeeps> that paves the way for 1-2 click installs
Aug 17 11:20:32 <lbt> like I say - I want to edit bootmenu.conf and linuxrc by hand to make it work ;)
Aug 17 11:20:42 <lbt> then I can help write a pytk
Aug 17 11:20:42 <Stskeeps> ah
Aug 17 11:21:06 <lbt> installer
Aug 17 11:22:01 <Stskeeps> basically what i need from bootmenu is 1) the bootmenu add ability 2) ability for linuxrc to boot a system by putting old /tmp on /boot or whatever instead, and -not fuck around with /var/run and /tmp-
Aug 17 11:22:06 <Stskeeps> by some boot menu setting
Aug 17 11:22:26 <lcuk> wow!  i sent a mail on May 22, i got a bounce back today.
Aug 17 11:22:30 * lcuk facepalms
Aug 17 11:22:43 <aquatix> lcuk: to hotmail or something?
Aug 17 11:22:43 <Stskeeps> hehe
Aug 17 11:22:46 <lbt> old /tmp?
Aug 17 11:22:58 <lcuk> dunno, some domain
Aug 17 11:23:06 <lcuk> not big mail provider
Aug 17 11:23:16 <Stskeeps> lbt: lemme just boot up my tablet.. sec
Aug 17 11:23:21 <lbt> ok
Aug 17 11:23:24 <aquatix> friend of mine got a few bounces from mail sent 1 year ago from the hotmail servers
Aug 17 11:24:53 <lcuk> well the error is "mailbox is full: retry timeout exceeded"
Aug 17 11:25:04 <lcuk> mustv tried for a looooooooooong time
Aug 17 11:25:38 <aquatix> heh, indeed
Aug 17 11:26:21 <lbt> <grin> I have no clue where my tablet is... but I can ssh to it
Aug 17 11:26:27 <Stskeeps> lbt: http://rafb.net/p/L16w4K17.html <- this part
Aug 17 11:26:40 <lbt> ok
Aug 17 11:26:54 <lbt> I'm just copying initfs to my local host to play...
Aug 17 11:26:55 <Stskeeps> it causes chaos on booting non-maemo systems :P
Aug 17 11:27:10 <lcuk> lbt, play an mp3 with it
Aug 17 11:27:27 <lbt> at the moment I think bootmenu may do better exec'ing a new linuxrc
Aug 17 11:29:14 <Stskeeps> well that's one way and reverting to old boot method if it's nonexistent, like on maemo
Aug 17 11:30:44 <lbt> yep. (if -f bootmenu.sh, run bootmenu.sh, exit)
Aug 17 11:31:20 <fijal> hello
Aug 17 11:32:21 <fijal> I'm trying to follow this instructions: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install.html
Aug 17 11:32:26 <fijal> and it cannot run gcc
Aug 17 11:32:30 <fijal> (inside)
Aug 17 11:32:41 <fijal> saying /usr/bin/gcc: no such file or directory
Aug 17 11:32:46 <fijal> while gcc-3.4 works
Aug 17 11:32:49 <fijal> but cannot invoke say as
Aug 17 12:10:30 <timely> anyone know if n810s ship w/ diablo?
Aug 17 12:14:57 <Mace_> anybody know where i could get gftp?
Aug 17 12:15:16 <Mace_> been looking for it with no luck
Aug 17 12:15:18 <lcuk> i love my missus :D
Aug 17 12:15:34 <lcuk> "heat up the frying pan, im on my way back with bacon!"
Aug 17 12:15:37 <Mace_> either downed servers
Aug 17 12:27:29 <crashanddie> timely, don't think so
Aug 17 12:27:48 <crashanddie> timely, remember, the n800 shiped with OS2007, even though OS2008 was around for quite a while
Aug 17 12:37:05 <jott> that might also have been stock devices. afair i had a newer version on my n810 than the release one, but i can't remember for sure.
Aug 17 12:37:41 <lcuk> apt-get install bacon
Aug 17 12:38:04 <lcuk> mornin jott / crashanddie
Aug 17 12:38:09 <jott> hey lcuk.
Aug 17 12:38:21 <jott> bacon sounds delicious :)
Aug 17 12:38:46 <lcuk> perfect for a sunday mornin
Aug 17 12:39:55 <jott> as always: http://xkcd.com/418/  :)
Aug 17 12:40:27 <lcuk> :D heh xkcd is pure genius
Aug 17 12:42:04 <lcuk> jott, when you are doin stuff in qt, what units do you specify widgets in?  is it still all pixel based and what happens when used in different resolutions?
Aug 17 12:42:58 <jott> pixels, yes
Aug 17 12:43:07 <jott> but the layout manager takes care of most of the stuff.
Aug 17 12:43:42 <fijal> date
Aug 17 12:44:02 <lcuk> but how does that work if you design buttons (for instance) to be 256*256 pixels and then compiled and used on maemo
Aug 17 12:44:10 <lcuk> doesnt that really fsck things up
Aug 17 12:45:08 <jott> lcuk: you just rearly need to specify exact sizes.
Aug 17 12:45:29 <jott> the button size can be determined by the label text size.
Aug 17 12:45:33 <jott> etc.
Aug 17 12:46:00 <jott> but yeah, you might have problems with different dpis
Aug 17 12:48:31 <lcuk> hmmm
Aug 17 12:48:40 * lcuk sees if more bacon hepls
Aug 17 12:50:02 <jott> pixel metric has the advantage of being integer based.
Aug 17 12:50:25 <lcuk> anything can be integer based - the layout manager im doing now is actually using 22500 dpi :)
Aug 17 12:50:32 <lcuk> 80000 * 48000
Aug 17 12:51:11 <jott> haha well but you can't bring everything to a common denominator :)
Aug 17 12:51:13 <lcuk> but it builds the widget tree using whatever dimensions are required to give a total required size - then scales the entire thing to fit on screen
Aug 17 12:52:15 <lardman> lcuk: more bacon always helps
Aug 17 12:52:28 <lcuk> :D wondered when you would smell it
Aug 17 12:52:48 * lcuk is really laughin now
Aug 17 12:53:56 <lardman> Just been to town for a blt to help recover from the hangover
Aug 17 12:54:00 <lardman> it's done wonders
Aug 17 12:54:34 <lcuk> the missus just soaked hers up with one, im just strengthening my arteries :)
Aug 17 12:54:42 <lardman> lol
Aug 17 12:55:18 <lcuk> the more ui i build, the more of a media manager i find i need
Aug 17 12:56:37 <lcuk> does anyone store media anywhere other than ~/My Docs; /media/mmc1; /media/mmc2 ?
Aug 17 12:58:05 <RST38h> lcuk, are you going to best canola?
Aug 17 12:59:14 <lcuk> no, but to get the best ui for my sketch files i find that i can display images in the same way, and when i think about it i can throw in .text documents for free and view them with the reader element
Aug 17 12:59:33 <lardman> what about throwing in audio and video files too...? :)
Aug 17 12:59:37 <lcuk> and so its not much further to do av
Aug 17 12:59:46 <lcuk> lardman, you took the words out of my mouth
Aug 17 12:59:48 <lardman> go lcuk!
Aug 17 13:00:04 <lardman> I'll buy you some bacon in Berlin, if they do bacon that is... :)
Aug 17 13:00:24 <lcuk> the thing is, my sketch folder has ~1000 items, im sorting and listing by date now and breaking into days
Aug 17 13:00:26 <lardman> I've been summoned to do the washing up, bbiab
Aug 17 13:00:27 <jott> lcuk ultimate goal is to replace everything and make liqos :)
Aug 17 13:00:47 <RST38h> that is always the ultimate goal
Aug 17 13:00:49 <lcuk> heh jott, all this is nothing new, its just i can touch this code
Aug 17 13:01:09 * RST38h has almost got full screen switch working
Aug 17 13:01:17 <RST38h> but something is swallowing keypresses
Aug 17 13:01:24 <lcuk> cheap hooker?
Aug 17 13:01:41 <lcuk> is this for sliderule?
Aug 17 13:05:01 <liri> RST38h: can you email me that sample project for the system tray icon?
Aug 17 13:08:12 <lcuk> liri - the scratchbox hello world puts a clicker in the tray
Aug 17 13:09:00 <lcuk> at least im sure it does
Aug 17 13:10:19 <timeless> gan: ping
Aug 17 13:12:16 <timeless> https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_brand#To_Be_Defined
Aug 17 13:12:18 <RST38h> liri: Your email address?
Aug 17 13:12:21 <timeless> is prboably what i was thinking about
Aug 17 13:12:24 <RST38h> lcuk: yep
Aug 17 13:13:04 <liri> RST38h: liran.tal@gmail.com
Aug 17 13:13:17 <liri> lcuk: when you say tray do you mean the left side pane or the upper right pane?
Aug 17 13:13:26 <derf> lardman: Pong.
Aug 17 13:13:43 <lcuk> im sure it puts a clicker all over the place - they all just lead to a helloworld box
Aug 17 13:14:08 <lcuk> ie, menu desktop system tray
Aug 17 13:14:29 <liri> lcuk: I don't think it puts anything in the system tray (i.e: where the batter icon is) because I simply don't see it in the code, no reference to an icon
Aug 17 13:14:56 <liri> lcuk: I saw a python code uses pixbuf function so I'm guessing I'm supposed to see that as well
Aug 17 13:15:22 <RST38h> Sent
Aug 17 13:15:38 <lcuk> liri, dont worry RST38h has sent you one :)
Aug 17 13:15:45 <liri> heh
Aug 17 13:15:46 <liri> thanks
Aug 17 13:16:33 <pardsbane> Is anyone online familiar with scratchbox 2 and Maemo SDK+?
Aug 17 13:19:25 <dannym> hi :)
Aug 17 13:23:45 <crashanddie> http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kung_fu_panda.jpg
Aug 17 13:25:48 <dannym> crashanddie: I, for one, welcome our furry heroes O_o
Aug 17 13:27:15 <lardman> derf: I wanted to ask about 64kHz rate, and what that means?
Aug 17 13:27:47 <lardman> lcuk: I was thinking of that MS demo with a large page of little icons, which can be zoomed into and each one is the entire file
Aug 17 13:27:57 <derf> lardman: In what context?
Aug 17 13:28:30 <lardman> derf: in ivorbiscodec.h I have a define: #define LIMIT_TO_64kHz 1
Aug 17 13:28:44 <lcuk> lardman, ive got a zoomable sketch wiki in mind.  coding time may be an issue - theres a lot of framework needed first
Aug 17 13:29:05 <lardman> derf: this affects what's created in window_lookup.h: #ifndef LIMIT_TO_64kHz
Aug 17 13:29:05 <lardman> static const ogg_uint16_t vwin4096[2048] = {
Aug 17 13:29:06 * lcuk has so many things to try and do and so little time
Aug 17 13:29:17 <lardman> lcuk: always the way :)
Aug 17 13:29:55 <lcuk> they should all come together nicely once i get this tile ui in place
Aug 17 13:30:29 <lardman> derf: and it's checked in _vorbis_unpack_info() where it's got a check that if vi->rate>=64000, return(OV_EBADHEADER);
Aug 17 13:30:52 <derf> That makes very little sense.
Aug 17 13:31:02 <derf> I think that's actually referring to the block size.
Aug 17 13:31:26 <derf> Though maybe that particular block size is only used at higher sampling rates? But that's an encoder decision, not a decoder decision.
Aug 17 13:31:51 <lardman> derf: yeah, the check is there because the extra lookup tables are too large to be placed in memory on the DSP
Aug 17 13:32:37 <liri> RST38h: isn't that for the plugin framework?
Aug 17 13:33:05 <lardman> derf: so currently it just refuses to decode these files, I was wondering what affect only decoding these <64kHz files will have: what does it mean for quality and are most files inside or outside this limit, etc.
Aug 17 13:33:21 <lardman> s/affect/effect
Aug 17 13:34:30 <derf> Well, 64kHz is rather a high sampling rate.
Aug 17 13:34:51 <lardman> ok that's good
Aug 17 13:35:04 <lardman> I must have been unlucky with the new test file I chose :)
Aug 17 13:35:07 <derf> But there are, d.g., DVD sources that use 96kHz sampling rates.
Aug 17 13:35:13 <derf> *e.g.
Aug 17 13:35:23 <lardman> ok
Aug 17 13:35:41 <derf> So it's not unheard of.
Aug 17 13:36:03 <lardman> I was just worried that it wouldn't be able to play many files in the wild
Aug 17 13:36:13 <derf> If I had to guess, I'd say that limit was probably put in there because the original output device couldn't handle it.
Aug 17 13:36:27 <lardman> fair enough
Aug 17 13:36:47 <lardman> I think it may also be memory related, the lookup tables are quite large
Aug 17 13:37:33 <derf> Only about 16K, right?
Aug 17 13:37:48 <lardman> that's a lot of memory on a DSP! :)
Aug 17 13:38:27 <derf> I think the larger problem was the decoded audio data at that block size.
Aug 17 13:38:43 <derf> Since you have to keep around a bunch of samples for overlap-add.
Aug 17 13:38:48 <derf> In multiple channels.
Aug 17 13:38:52 <lardman> yeah
Aug 17 13:39:22 <lardman> in any case there's not enough memory allocated for static info (to handle the extra window data) in the current DSP kernel
Aug 17 13:39:48 <derf> How much memory does the DSP actually have?
Aug 17 13:39:54 <lardman> so I'll go with the 64kHz limit and not worry about the additional problems of the overlap stuff
Aug 17 13:40:11 <lardman> DARAM is 64kB, SARAM is 96kB
Aug 17 13:40:31 <derf> And these tables would go in SRAM?
Aug 17 13:40:35 <lardman> yes
Aug 17 13:40:42 <derf> What's taking up the other 80k?
Aug 17 13:41:04 <lardman> the kernel has to keep its working memory somewhere, also the task stacks and heaps, etc.
Aug 17 13:42:21 <lardman> back in a bit
Aug 17 13:42:39 <derf> I'm out of town at the moment, so I probably won't be.
Aug 17 13:44:39 <lardman|afk> no worries, thanks for your help
Aug 17 14:00:01 <pardsbane> anyone familiar with The Maemo SDK+?
Aug 17 14:03:44 <dannym> pardsbane: that depends on which part :)
Aug 17 14:04:10 <pardsbane> well, I'm trying to use the SDK+ with scratchbox 2... but on a Mac...
Aug 17 14:04:36 <pardsbane> I got scratchbox2 installed on the Mac, after some porting issues, but I can't figure out how to install the maemo sdk
Aug 17 14:05:40 <pardsbane> I've got this file: maemo-sdk-install_4.1.sh, but it won't run, because it can't find scratchbox 1
Aug 17 14:17:38 <dannym> pardsbane: well, that's a shell script so I guess you could edit the check out :)
Aug 17 14:18:01 <dannym> pardsbane: run it with "sh -x" to find out where it is approximately :)
Aug 17 14:18:36 <pardsbane> yeah, I've been reading through the script
Aug 17 14:19:21 <pardsbane> looks like it downloads the rootstrap (which I already did), but then I'm not sure exactly what happens.
Aug 17 14:19:45 <pardsbane> do you have the maemo sdk+ installed? Can you tell me what is in your sources.list file?
Aug 17 14:20:55 <Italodance> Y
Aug 17 14:21:01 <Italodance> www.maxpaynethemovie.com 22 oct 2008 :D
Aug 17 14:23:52 <aquatix> wtf, een fullscreen flash thing?
Aug 17 14:23:56 * aquatix closes tab again
Aug 17 14:27:36 <apol> is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network?
Aug 17 14:30:27 <lbt> Stskeeps: ping.... use bootmenu.d/*
Aug 17 14:31:30 <Stskeeps> lbt: hum?
Aug 17 14:31:49 * timeless looks for a guinea pig
Aug 17 14:31:54 <lbt> instead of bootmenu add
Aug 17 14:32:00 <lbt> use a bootmenu.d/
Aug 17 14:32:03 <Stskeeps> lbt: yeah, that sounds sane
Aug 17 14:32:05 <lbt> arrangement
Aug 17 14:32:16 <lbt> and it's the debian way :)
Aug 17 14:32:54 <lbt> funny what you think about over lunch...
Aug 17 14:33:25 <Stskeeps> i'm kinda thinking of having bootmenu mount mtdblock4 or something ro and get the /etc/bootmenu.d or something.. would make things flexible
Aug 17 14:33:34 <Stskeeps> for pre-diablo systems
Aug 17 14:33:47 <Stskeeps> and for diablo systems get it from /mnt/initfs/etc/bootmenu.d
Aug 17 14:34:04 <lbt> I was thinking about having a kexec capable kernel and putting multiple kernels in mtdblock4
Aug 17 14:34:29 <Stskeeps> yeah.. fanoush was working on kexec
Aug 17 14:34:32 <lbt> but yes, I see what you mean
Aug 17 14:35:13 <lbt> Why isn't initfs rw in pre-diablo?
Aug 17 14:35:22 <lbt> has anyone checked?
Aug 17 14:35:27 <lbt> Is it a kernel limitation?
Aug 17 14:35:28 <Stskeeps> you can but there's just too bloody little space so there's high risk of coruption
Aug 17 14:35:38 <lbt> OK
Aug 17 14:35:38 <Stskeeps> diablo images make initfs bigger (more safe to mess around)
Aug 17 14:35:51 <lbt> eraseblock thing
Aug 17 14:35:58 <Stskeeps> yeah
Aug 17 14:36:31 <Stskeeps> you do any of the bootmenu deriatives or just messing about a bit?
Aug 17 14:36:59 <lbt> I've been busy on other things - just thinking at the moment
Aug 17 14:37:13 <Stskeeps> i'd love a bootmenu deriative supporting a bootmenu.d
Aug 17 14:37:29 <Stskeeps> and maybe one that would allow for linuxrc
Aug 17 14:37:32 <jott> a touchscreen based bootmenu would be nice too.
Aug 17 14:37:46 <lbt> should be fairly easy - I'll look at that as a task if you can wait a few days
Aug 17 14:37:51 <Stskeeps> yeah, sure
Aug 17 14:38:10 <Stskeeps> linuxrc as in skipping the "boot" procedure in linuxrc and going straight for linuxrc
Aug 17 14:38:11 <lbt> jott - if you can play with kevent
Aug 17 14:38:18 <lbt> to provide the input...
Aug 17 14:38:30 <jott> lbt: tslib should run fine in the initfs.
Aug 17 14:39:05 <lbt> Stskeeps: I knew what you meant - a one line hack to initfs to run a maemo-community iinitfs sounds sane
Aug 17 14:39:11 <lbt> and may get in in Nokia
Aug 17 14:39:22 <lbt> jott: never come across it
Aug 17 14:39:54 <Stskeeps> lbt: well there is if [ -e /etc/initfs.config ]; then . /initfs.config
Aug 17 14:39:54 <Stskeeps> fi
Aug 17 14:39:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 14:39:57 <Stskeeps> in linuxrc
Aug 17 14:40:11 <jott> lbt: quiet standard abstraction layer lib for touchscreens.
Aug 17 14:40:44 <lbt> Stskeeps: true
Aug 17 14:40:50 <Stskeeps> and initfs.config isn't in use
Aug 17 14:41:24 <lbt> not surprising since it tests for one thing and sources another....
Aug 17 14:41:25 <Stskeeps> lbt: but i meant more like instead of doing the var/run and /tmp and stuff things, run a linuxrc, non-chrooted off the partition and let it chroot itself in
Aug 17 14:41:30 <Stskeeps> ah
Aug 17 14:41:52 <Stskeeps> well you could make it work with an empty /etc/initfs.config and a full in /initfs.config
Aug 17 14:41:55 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 14:42:05 <Stskeeps> s/chroot/pivot_root
Aug 17 14:42:32 <lbt> OK, I'll work on this over the next few days...
Aug 17 14:43:25 <Stskeeps> sounds good :)
Aug 17 14:44:05 <Stskeeps> the linuxrc thing would mean people would have to make less hacks to boot other distros for instance
Aug 17 14:44:33 <Stskeeps> so you can avoid cleaning up the mess initfs creates
Aug 17 14:44:34 <Stskeeps> :P
Aug 17 14:44:36 <lbt> and it's under our control and doesn't mess too much with the Nokia std distro
Aug 17 14:45:00 <lbt> and if it all stays under a single /maemo.org/ directory
Aug 17 14:45:22 <lbt> then we can ask that the Diablo reflash copies /maemo.org in and runs
Aug 17 14:45:22 <Stskeeps> mm
Aug 17 14:45:31 <lbt> maemo.org/post-flash
Aug 17 14:45:35 <lbt> or something
Aug 17 14:45:54 <lbt> then multi-boot works after a normal update
Aug 17 14:46:11 <Stskeeps> *nod*
Aug 17 14:46:12 <apol> is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network? where can I find any info about it?
Aug 17 14:46:13 <lbt> hey - it doesn't need to be LSB
Aug 17 14:49:43 <Stskeeps> i'm actually inclined towards a /etc/bootmenu.d being on the internal rootfs.. because then to reapply boot menu after a initfs it would be a matter of reflashing
Aug 17 14:49:52 <Stskeeps> if nokia doesn't get their act together
Aug 17 14:50:53 <lbt> yes - I was making some requirements notes and that was in it.
Aug 17 14:51:57 <lbt> I bet /initfs.config could be made super small and just mount rootfs ro and execute the new bootmenu
Aug 17 14:51:58 <timeless> lbt/jott: please? :)
Aug 17 14:52:02 <timeless> guinea pigging is cheap
Aug 17 14:52:45 <lbt> I'd rather think things through, then code it right ;)
Aug 17 14:53:12 <lbt> were you trying to sleep?
Aug 17 14:53:33 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/bugs-maemo-3591-0.1.deb
Aug 17 14:53:37 <timeless> try installing that
Aug 17 14:53:43 <timeless> see if you can use it to break the backup app
Aug 17 14:53:58 <timeless> if it doesn't work, /msg timelyx w/ what i need to do to fix it so it does break the app
Aug 17 14:54:18 <lbt> oh, OK I thought you meant something else - apologies, I'll take a look.
Aug 17 14:55:24 <lbt> timeless: will it run on chinook?
Aug 17 14:55:38 <lbt> s/will/should/
Aug 17 14:55:39 <infobot> lbt meant: timeless: should it run on chinook?
Aug 17 14:55:43 <lbt> or diablo
Aug 17 14:58:56 <timeless> i hope so
Aug 17 15:09:01 <timeless> run is an odd word
Aug 17 15:09:07 <timeless> it doesn't actually have an application :)
Aug 17 15:09:25 <lbt> I just installed it on my chinook test
Aug 17 15:09:40 <lbt> and then ran backup - ticked only 'settings'
Aug 17 15:09:46 <lbt> all fine :)
Aug 17 15:10:32 <lbt> doing a 'full' backup now
Aug 17 15:11:56 <lbt> yep - that's fine too...
Aug 17 15:34:32 <MakeGho> Hi. Anyone know of a music tracker for n810?
Aug 17 15:42:47 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: ping
Aug 17 15:44:22 <rm_you> lcuk: ping
Aug 17 15:50:54 <mikkov_> MakeGho: this could work http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21653&highlight=tracker
Aug 17 15:56:04 <jott> ~lart qemu
Aug 17 15:56:04 * infobot holds qemu to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
Aug 17 15:56:29 <timeless> lbt: hrm, so ... did the files not get installed?
Aug 17 15:57:34 <jott> MakeGho: milkytracker is nice. http://outpo.st/milkytracker_0.90.80-1_armel.deb
Aug 17 15:57:53 <lbt> files? just the one I think...
Aug 17 15:57:56 <MakeGho> thanks, I'll try it
Aug 17 15:59:55 <lbt> the /home/user/.bugs-maemo-3591/\#test/case file is there and the /etc/osso-backup/applications one
Aug 17 16:00:16 <timeless> ok
Aug 17 16:00:23 <timeless> hrm, if you run backup
Aug 17 16:00:26 <timeless> and then xterminal
Aug 17 16:00:42 <timeless> and from xterminal, do strace -f -p `pid-of osso-backup`
Aug 17 16:00:43 <lbt> I did a backup of just 'settings'
Aug 17 16:01:04 <timeless> and then start a settings backup
Aug 17 16:01:10 <timeless> does it list those two paths?
Aug 17 16:01:11 <lbt> apt-get install strace doesn't work
Aug 17 16:01:20 <lbt> E: Package strace has no installation candidate
Aug 17 16:01:24 <lbt> what repo
Aug 17 16:01:39 <lbt> I only have extras-devel on the test rootfs
Aug 17 16:01:55 <timeless> um
Aug 17 16:02:10 <mikkov_> diablo/tools or diablo/sdk
Aug 17 16:02:16 <timeless> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/s/strace/
Aug 17 16:02:20 <timeless> has it
Aug 17 16:02:23 <lbt> chinook rootfs
Aug 17 16:02:24 <qwerty12> http://maemo.org/development/tools/
Aug 17 16:02:35 <qwerty12> Oh chinook, use timeless's link then
Aug 17 16:05:18 <lbt> so it loops forever
Aug 17 16:05:23 <lbt> until I kill the strace
Aug 17 16:05:26 <timeless> um
Aug 17 16:05:27 <lbt> then it works...
Aug 17 16:05:31 <timeless> wait, err
Aug 17 16:05:32 <lbt> :)
Aug 17 16:05:33 <timeless> eh?!
Aug 17 16:05:42 <timeless> can you pastebin a portion of the strace
Aug 17 16:05:46 <lbt> well. I didn't wait forever
Aug 17 16:05:56 <lbt> yup
Aug 17 16:06:21 <lbt> http://slexy.org/view/s2fy9N7vud
Aug 17 16:06:27 <lbt> I'm using ssh, not xterm
Aug 17 16:06:37 <lbt> FWIW
Aug 17 16:07:13 <timeless> lbt: so ... it actually does finish if you detach?
Aug 17 16:07:15 <timeless> that doesn't make sense
Aug 17 16:07:29 <lbt> yes, no
Aug 17 16:07:56 <timeless> create a #case directory containing a test file
Aug 17 16:07:58 <timeless> try again
Aug 17 16:08:03 <lbt> I have /media/mmc2/backups/Backup03/settings.zip
Aug 17 16:08:09 <timeless> *as a sibilng of #test)
Aug 17 16:08:13 <lbt> but no unzip
Aug 17 16:08:26 <timeless> wait
Aug 17 16:08:29 <timeless> you have microb, right?
Aug 17 16:08:36 <timeless> jar:file:///media/mmc2/backups/Backup03/settings.zip!/
Aug 17 16:10:26 <timeless> ok, uninstall the package, and try installing it again
Aug 17 16:10:47 <timeless> (from timeless.justdave.net i've updated the package)
Aug 17 16:11:07 <lbt> err that gave me help on jar
Aug 17 16:11:16 <timeless> hrm
Aug 17 16:11:18 <timeless> um...
Aug 17 16:11:20 <timeless> wah
Aug 17 16:11:24 <lbt> typo
Aug 17 16:11:38 <lbt> too few /s probably
Aug 17 16:11:52 <timeless> just jar:file://{unixpath}!/
Aug 17 16:12:04 <timeless> you can start by typing '/' into the addressbar
Aug 17 16:12:11 <timeless> and then clicking to browse to the file
Aug 17 16:12:22 <lbt> got it..
Aug 17 16:12:32 <timeless> from the parent of the zip, csm copy link
Aug 17 16:12:52 <lbt> #test contains case contains hello
Aug 17 16:13:03 <lbt> not used jar: syntax b4
Aug 17 16:13:17 <timeless> it's a gecko syntax
Aug 17 16:13:28 <lbt> 'k
Aug 17 16:13:43 <lbt> so anyway, the file was backed up - this is the interrupted strace
Aug 17 16:13:55 <timeless> ok, uninstall the package
Aug 17 16:14:12 <timeless> go back to my web server and install again
Aug 17 16:14:18 <timeless> and try again
Aug 17 16:14:35 <lbt> tum te tum...
Aug 17 16:15:10 <lbt> same version?
Aug 17 16:15:13 <timeless> yep
Aug 17 16:15:14 <timeless> i'm evil :)
Aug 17 16:15:19 <lcuk> rm_you, u hollered
Aug 17 16:15:43 <rm_you> lol yes
Aug 17 16:15:44 * lcuk tries to focus
Aug 17 16:15:53 <rm_you> been asking about logos for a few days
Aug 17 16:16:01 <rm_you> timeless, could use your opinion too :P
Aug 17 16:16:04 <lcuk> have you?
Aug 17 16:16:15 <rm_you> I'm thinking about making shirts with these logos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo_org_logo_contest_narbat_12.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_underscore_5.png http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_setan666_1.png
Aug 17 16:16:21 <rm_you> i need like three more suggestions
Aug 17 16:16:29 <timeless> of what?
Aug 17 16:16:36 <lbt> oooh
Aug 17 16:16:43 <crashanddie> http://hopetracker.donthax.me/ -- Hope 2008 Torrent
Aug 17 16:17:19 <lcuk> so this is a sub-logo contest and we are all on the panel?
Aug 17 16:17:27 <lbt> it didn't like that...
Aug 17 16:17:36 <timeless> ok, someone nearby prefers the butterfly
Aug 17 16:17:39 <timeless> saying "it's cute"
Aug 17 16:17:55 <timeless> wait, you want *more* shirts to add to the list?
Aug 17 16:17:57 * timeless sighs
Aug 17 16:18:06 <lcuk> but girls arent comin to the summit (are they?)
Aug 17 16:18:19 <lbt> [underscore was in my list]
Aug 17 16:18:25 <lcuk> or was that your affeminate side timeless
Aug 17 16:18:45 <timeless> lcuk: it wasn't me, i found a random female and asked
Aug 17 16:18:47 <lbt> binoculars!!!
Aug 17 16:18:55 <lcuk> underscore wins for being the closest to a nipple
Aug 17 16:19:10 <lbt> you didn't see the madonna logo then...
Aug 17 16:19:24 <lcuk> :D heh no
Aug 17 16:19:30 <timeless> wait, we're the list of options?
Aug 17 16:19:57 <timeless> oh, nm, got em
Aug 17 16:20:06 <lbt> anyhow timeless that killed it
Aug 17 16:21:05 <fred> Hi - why is $XDG_DATA_HOME set to /usr/share/mime on Diablo?
Aug 17 16:21:18 <fred> According to the spec (and what many apps expect), this is for user-specific data files
Aug 17 16:21:26 <fred> and the 'user' user doesn't have write access to that location
Aug 17 16:21:31 <lcuk> i like this one: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_deadknight88_5-dashed2.png
Aug 17 16:21:41 <lbt> lcuk : http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Maemo.org_logo_contest_chall3ng3r_3.png
Aug 17 16:22:04 <qwerty12> big mac anyone?
Aug 17 16:22:05 <lcuk> i think more of Mmmmmmmmmmm I'm lovin it!
Aug 17 16:22:33 <lbt> after a while you see mickey mouse ears on the golden arches
Aug 17 16:22:36 <lcuk> The nipples are more like comical mickey mouse ears :D
Aug 17 16:22:41 <lcuk> lol
Aug 17 16:22:44 <lbt> if you aren't getting any then it's nipples
Aug 17 16:22:50 <pardsbane> does anyone know why I get "could not open lock file" when I run apt-get in scratchbox 2?
Aug 17 16:22:57 <lbt> not saying which judge saw the nipples...
Aug 17 16:23:24 <lbt> pardsbane: fakeroot?
Aug 17 16:23:40 <lbt> timeless: ping if you need me
Aug 17 16:24:17 <pardsbane> hum, don't think I'm supposed to be using fakeroot yet
Aug 17 16:25:18 <fred> ah, there's a bug filed
Aug 17 16:30:27 <pardsbane> wierd, I think I messed up my IRC terminal
Aug 17 16:32:33 <timeless> ok, one vote for: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/d/da/Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png/300px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png
Aug 17 16:34:32 <timeless> maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/images/3/39/Maemo.org_logo_contest_peres_2.png
Aug 17 16:41:18 <Kegetys> that looks like maemo would be a tetris game
Aug 17 16:43:45 <timeless> ok, one vote for: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/d/da/Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png/300px-Maemo.org_logo_contest_bundyo_08.png
Aug 17 16:56:24 <Stskeeps> lbt: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.conf.txt , http://rafb.net/p/0SMHzT81.html (bootmenu.d)
Aug 17 16:56:54 <Stskeeps> it only adds like a sec or two to boot process to mount mtdblock4 and unmount it again :P
Aug 17 16:57:09 <lbt> maybe have a *tiny* /initfs.config that simply mounts mtd4 ro and then runs from there...
Aug 17 16:57:11 <lbt> then installing multiboot becomes a touch of a file and a copy of a tiny one...
Aug 17 16:57:40 <Stskeeps> well, yeah, but there is a risk of a corrupt mtdblock4 atleast
Aug 17 16:57:40 <lbt> which means you use the same install process on all tablets
Aug 17 16:57:52 <lbt> well, no editing of files - so no erase
Aug 17 16:57:57 <Stskeeps> mm
Aug 17 16:58:05 <lbt> just a create of a dir entry
Aug 17 16:58:10 <lbt> and a *tiny* file
Aug 17 16:58:52 <lbt> (dir entry is the /etc/config that is tested for and the tiny file is the /config that is sourced)
Aug 17 17:01:33 <Stskeeps> mm
Aug 17 17:03:58 <Stskeeps> hmm.. string injection
Aug 17 17:14:11 <apol> is it possible to select a dns for a specific wifi network? where can I find any info about it?
Aug 17 17:14:44 <lbt> apol: if you control the dhcp server then you can do it there
Aug 17 17:15:01 <apol> hmmm
Aug 17 17:15:20 <apol> so i have to configure the dhcp server? isn't it possible to do from the gui?
Aug 17 17:15:21 <jott> apol: you can go to the connection settings
Aug 17 17:16:20 <lbt> or by script in somewhere like /etc/network/if-up.d/ you could maybe test for ip allocation and do stuff
Aug 17 17:16:55 <lbt> (I assume you're not looking for a gui)
Aug 17 17:17:36 <apol> i don't really care if it is in gui, but I need to be able to select a dns for certain connections
Aug 17 17:18:07 <mikkov_> jott: same problem with cmake as I had ;)
Aug 17 17:18:18 <crashanddie> apol, yeah, it's possible
Aug 17 17:18:56 <lbt> well, /etc/network would be a good place to start looking - then hack /etc/resolv.conf - possibly have 3 or 4 resolv.conf files and symlink in the one you need
Aug 17 17:19:33 <lbt> I used to do that when I varied dialup providers
Aug 17 17:19:43 <crashanddie> apol, disconnect, connection settings -> connections -> select connection -> edit -> tap next 3 times; tap advanced -> ip adresses tab, uncheck "auto-retrieve DNS"
Aug 17 17:20:36 <lbt> or do that :D
Aug 17 17:20:39 <apol> crashanddie: that was cool
Aug 17 17:20:41 <apol> xD
Aug 17 17:21:44 <Stskeeps> gah, screwed up my initfs :P
Aug 17 17:21:55 * Stskeeps finds his usb cable
Aug 17 17:22:15 <lbt> <grin>
Aug 17 17:22:18 <qwerty12> Stskeeps, you did make a backup with mtd-tools right? :P
Aug 17 17:22:24 <qwerty12> anyway, gtg, byw
Aug 17 17:22:29 <qwerty12> bye even
Aug 17 18:06:41 <KucukMubasir> which language is preferred for maeme :S c or c++ ?
Aug 17 18:06:47 <KucukMubasir> *maemo
Aug 17 18:10:05 <KucukMubasir> is qt used with maemo?
Aug 17 18:12:18 <lcuk> you can use whatever you like
Aug 17 18:12:32 <lcuk> qt community edition is underway, but most current stuff is gtk
Aug 17 18:16:17 <eichi> is there no way to activate bluetooth faster then going to the control center?
Aug 17 18:16:18 <KucukMubasir> isn't there any "the most efficient/suitable language for maemo development"?
Aug 17 18:17:14 <rm_you> wheee, back
Aug 17 18:17:19 <rm_you> got called away for house chores
Aug 17 18:17:33 <KucukMubasir> which would you advice me to use ? python or C++ for maemo development?
Aug 17 18:17:33 <rm_you> anywho, i also like the one you suggested lcuk, will add that to the list
Aug 17 18:17:49 <rm_you> timeless, any suggestions to ADD? :P
Aug 17 18:17:51 <lcuk> KucukMubasir, just write in what you are happiest with, if thats c (like me) great, if thats c++ (like others) great, if you find python acceptable, thats ok as well
Aug 17 18:18:00 <lcuk> KucukMubasir, its your decision :)
Aug 17 18:18:01 <rm_you> i want to have a different maemo shirt for each day i'm in berlin
Aug 17 18:18:17 <rm_you> i thought the c++ bindings for some things were still a bit iffy
Aug 17 18:18:22 <rm_you> same with python
Aug 17 18:18:25 <lcuk> depends what you are doing
Aug 17 18:18:30 <KucukMubasir> lcuk: so there isn't any difference in terms of efficiency among the languages?
Aug 17 18:18:39 <rm_you> KucukMubasir: oh, there is
Aug 17 18:18:42 <rm_you> C is best
Aug 17 18:18:48 <rm_you> python is probably slowest...
Aug 17 18:18:50 <KucukMubasir> ok that's what i am looking for
Aug 17 18:18:53 <rm_you> C++ in the middle
Aug 17 18:19:04 <rm_you> that has nothing to do with platform, that's true everywhere you look
Aug 17 18:19:05 <lcuk> but thats not maemo, thats worldwide
Aug 17 18:19:13 <rm_you> lcuk: yes :p
Aug 17 18:19:40 <rm_you> you said that much more succinctly :)
Aug 17 18:19:49 <KucukMubasir> so there isn't any specific language like other platforms; for instance, if your are to develop symbiand or qt you must prefer c++ ?
Aug 17 18:20:04 <jaska> symbians idea of c++ is... rather perverse
Aug 17 18:20:12 <lcuk> "i would like to develop and deploy a desktop applet written in brainf*ck, could you point me to the bindings file"
Aug 17 18:20:34 <KucukMubasir> jaska why do you say so?
Aug 17 18:20:53 <glass_> because it's true
Aug 17 18:21:10 <glass_> as the flavor isn't the same as on anything else..
Aug 17 18:21:13 <lcuk> because c++ can be taken so many different ways some are more perverse and abusive and further away from sensible c than others
Aug 17 18:21:48 <rm_you> cmon people, i need more suggestions for maemo logos to put on shirts
Aug 17 18:22:25 <rm_you> also... are there, err.... legal issues if I put contest submission logos on shirts and then sell a few at the summit? >_>
Aug 17 18:22:45 <lcuk> yes, so design your own
Aug 17 18:22:53 <lcuk> make an xkcd variation
Aug 17 18:22:59 <rm_you> it would be cheaper (and i think helpful for other people, actually) to buy a few more shirts of each and then sell them basically for cost
Aug 17 18:23:00 <lcuk> make one with a fat penguin
Aug 17 18:23:29 <rm_you> what license are the submitted logos under?
Aug 17 18:24:01 <lcuk> submitted under the "anyone can print t-shirts with these designs except for rm_you" license
Aug 17 18:26:50 <GAN800> timeless, my read from that is that's the branding issue with MicroB versus 'Mozilla based browser for Maemo' rather than MicroB's usage of the Maemo/maemo.org branding.
Aug 17 18:30:02 <GAN800> He's kidding, right? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3597
Aug 17 18:32:30 <lbt> rm_you: I thought all the logos were submitted as CC
Aug 17 18:34:48 <GAN800> Somebody please tell me he's joking.
Aug 17 18:35:25 <GAN800> The 'MSIE 7' isn't encouraging.
Aug 17 18:36:08 <rm_you> do they become property of maemo.org or are they Creative Commons or what
Aug 17 18:36:10 <rm_you> ah
Aug 17 18:36:11 <rm_you> yeah
Aug 17 18:41:01 <jott> mikkov_: i wonder if it's the fault of qemu that cmakes breaks :/
Aug 17 18:41:59 <Stskeeps> lbt: i almost have a bootmenu.sh ready with linuxrc support
Aug 17 18:46:45 * GAN800 notices timeless in the Recent changes page and chuckles.
Aug 17 18:49:03 <lbt> Stskeeps: I thought you'd be too impatient to wait for me ;)
Aug 17 18:49:12 <lbt> happy to try it out though...
Aug 17 18:49:32 <Stskeeps> lbt: meh, i was bored :P
Aug 17 18:49:39 <lbt> <grin>
Aug 17 18:58:43 <RST38h> moo again
Aug 17 19:22:21 <Italodance> !
Aug 17 19:22:28 <Italodance> nokia
Aug 17 19:22:33 <Italodance> should do it
Aug 17 19:22:35 <Italodance> now
Aug 17 19:26:13 <Stskeeps> ..
Aug 17 19:34:20 <XTL> nokia should moo now?
Aug 17 19:35:34 <BULLE> m00
Aug 17 19:36:20 <Toba__> m00.
Aug 17 19:38:46 <Stskeeps> lbt: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/bootmenu.d-and-linuxrc.patch.txt
Aug 17 19:45:06 <mikkov_> jott: I think cmake problem is dependency issue, because I have it working locally. Though I had to install sb to Debian because on Fedora it didn't work
Aug 17 19:45:50 <mikkov_> but I really didn't need cmake, so I just dropped investigating
Aug 17 19:47:16 <jott> mikkov_: with a clean sbox target it still compiles ..
Aug 17 19:47:20 <profoX`> Hi... I wanted to try and run mplayer in a scratchbox environment, and I added the repo containing mplayer and apt-get updated, but apt-cache search mplayer doesn't find anything, what could be wrong there
Aug 17 19:47:37 <mikkov_> jott: autobuilder isn't clean sbox target :)
Aug 17 19:47:40 <jott> mikkov_: well let's see, i just pushed cmake 2.6.1
Aug 17 19:49:20 <mikkov_> profoX: are sure about the right repo?
Aug 17 19:49:21 <jott> mikkov_: and the tests results for curl are the same on my local machine :/
Aug 17 19:50:20 <profoX`> mikkov_: well, the only thing I can think of is that mplayer is only in the chinook repo and not in the diablo repo
Aug 17 19:51:02 <mikkov_> profoX: what did you excatly add to sources.listÃ?
Aug 17 19:51:50 <jott> hm same error..
Aug 17 19:52:36 <profoX`> mikkov_: http://rafb.net/p/7ic6fZ88.html
Aug 17 19:52:46 <mikkov_> jott: 2.6.1 works on your local sbox?
Aug 17 19:52:55 <jott> yes
Aug 17 19:53:45 <mikkov_> autobuilder is missing something, but what, that is the question :)
Aug 17 19:53:59 <jott> yeah. maybe #cmake folks have an idea :)
Aug 17 19:56:18 <mikkov_> profoX: did you apt-get update?
Aug 17 19:56:39 <profoX`> mikkov_: yes
Aug 17 19:58:53 <mikkov_> profoX: I seem to have the problem as you ;). mplayer is in diablo repo, but apt-get cabn't find it from sb...
Aug 17 20:00:03 <jott> was there some tutorial on how to get the same env as the autobuilder?
Aug 17 20:01:31 <mikkov_> jott: at least I haven't heard of any tutorial :) or actually of any real doc about autobuilder environment
Aug 17 20:02:08 <jott> such a problem is utterly hard to trace :(
Aug 17 20:02:50 <mikkov_> maybe we could request for autobuilder image
Aug 17 20:03:44 <GAN800> Anybody check the garage project page?
Aug 17 20:04:17 <mikkov_> hmm, what is the project name?
Aug 17 20:04:34 <GAN800> Google it
Aug 17 20:04:56 <mikkov_> is it cauldron?
Aug 17 20:05:18 <mikkov_> extras-cauldron
Aug 17 20:05:25 <GAN800> probably
Aug 17 20:05:34 <GAN800> I don't recall
Aug 17 20:06:05 <mikkov_> extras-cauldron is related, but don't know if it really about autobuilder
Aug 17 20:07:10 <jott> i think it just handle the queue
Aug 17 20:07:14 <jott> not the building
Aug 17 20:07:30 <jott> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=extras-cauldron
Aug 17 20:08:38 <mikkov_> is mud-builder related to autobuilder?
Aug 17 20:09:21 <jott> i think mud-builder just helps pushing stuff to the builder
Aug 17 20:09:42 <jott> it seems to be "sbdmock" that is used to build
Aug 17 20:10:29 <jott> but the source snapshot seems rather old :/
Aug 17 20:10:30 <mikkov_> you could add some fancy package reporting to debian/rules :)
Aug 17 20:11:00 <mikkov_> print dpkg -l
Aug 17 20:11:15 <jott> :)
Aug 17 20:12:56 <jott> mm. sbdmock just dumps the sdk rootstrap.
Aug 17 20:16:43 <V13> Am I missing something? : Reinstallation of osso-software-version-unlocked is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
Aug 17 20:16:48 <V13> (hi :)
Aug 17 20:17:23 <V13> Reinstallation of osso-software-version-rx34 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
Aug 17 20:17:52 <V13> (n800 + os2008 + somehow failed SSU)
Aug 17 20:20:05 * pahartik seems to recall that "osso-software-version" needed to be removed before "dpkg --purge macromedia-flashplayer" succeeded
Aug 17 20:20:33 <V13> ?
Aug 17 20:36:55 <hvelarde|stealth> hi, there!
Aug 17 20:37:07 <hvelarde|stealth> I'm pretty new to the maemo stuff
Aug 17 20:37:21 <hvelarde|stealth> I just bought a N810 and I upgraded it to Diablo
Aug 17 20:37:59 <hvelarde|stealth> I want to install the USB Control applet, but it gives me an error
Aug 17 20:38:09 <hvelarde|stealth> does this applet runs on Diablo?
Aug 17 20:38:52 <jott> hvelarde|stealth: what is the error?
Aug 17 20:39:15 <BULLE> hvelarde|stealth: i run diablo, and i have maemo-control-usb installed
Aug 17 20:39:21 <hvelarde|stealth> let me try again, jott
Aug 17 20:39:29 <hvelarde|stealth> let me see guys
Aug 17 20:41:04 <hvelarde|stealth> well, I will try to translate the message because it's in spanish
Aug 17 20:42:15 <hvelarde|stealth> is says something like: Impossible to install usbcontrol; incompatible application package
Aug 17 20:43:34 <hvelarde|stealth> BULLE: did you installed from the maemo's web site?
Aug 17 20:44:01 <BULLE> hvelarde|stealth: nah, i just used the application manager
Aug 17 20:44:17 <BULLE> hvelarde|stealth: the links on the maemo website tend not to work for me, well, no one have so far
Aug 17 20:44:28 <BULLE> hvelarde|stealth: the "click here to install" links
Aug 17 20:45:10 <hvelarde|stealth> BULLE: is the maemo-control-usb the same thing?
Aug 17 20:46:07 <hvelarde|stealth> i have that one installed, but it works for usb networking, not to change the usb mode on the tablet
Aug 17 20:46:17 <BULLE> oh, no idea
Aug 17 20:46:20 <BULLE> i thought they were the same
Aug 17 20:46:23 <BULLE> apparently they are not
Aug 17 20:46:38 <hvelarde|stealth> no, they aren't
Aug 17 20:46:46 <GAN800> V13, did you get an answer?
Aug 17 20:47:31 <CptLaptop> so i hear the fedora package system is gay. comments?
Aug 17 20:47:53 <BULLE> CptLaptop: yes of course its gay, no go troll somewhere else
Aug 17 20:47:59 <CptLaptop> im seriosu
Aug 17 20:48:03 <BULLE> CptLaptop: me to
Aug 17 20:48:09 <GAN800> When SSU was installed, it also installed nokia-repositories which changed the the tableteer upgrade repo to diablo-1/ instead of diablo/.
Aug 17 20:48:32 <CptLaptop> im not trolling, im asking if its really bad vs debian
Aug 17 20:48:43 <GAN800> CptLaptop, it's only gay for you. ;)
Aug 17 20:49:00 <BULLE> CptLaptop: no its not, its comparable, and superior in some ways, but in most circumstances they are pretty comparable
Aug 17 20:49:02 <CptLaptop> apaprently not since the guy who advised against it isnt me :p
Aug 17 20:49:28 <GAN800> No, it only loves you. :P
Aug 17 20:49:44 <mikkov_> rpm vs deb debate is useless...
Aug 17 20:49:46 <jott> you find some other guy who will claim the contrary :/
Aug 17 20:50:16 <CptLaptop> lol true
Aug 17 20:50:27 <CptLaptop> if everyone hated it it wouldnt exist
Aug 17 20:52:12 <robtaylor> in gneral, i think its easier to do packaging with rpm than deb
Aug 17 20:52:17 <robtaylor> but less flexible
Aug 17 20:52:30 <robtaylor> both suck in a myriad of ways
Aug 17 20:53:45 <robtaylor> but in the end its not the package format that's important, but the community that does the packaging
Aug 17 20:54:03 <robtaylor> and both communities have their strengths and weaknesses
Aug 17 20:54:58 <CptLaptop> im asking because im half considering an acer aspire one. of course even if fedora isnt gay afterall, that doesnt help the fact linpus lite is
Aug 17 20:55:45 <lcuk> speaking of packaging, can i use an msi built with installshield on maemo?
Aug 17 20:56:19 <mikkov_> can't you install any linux distro to aspire one?
Aug 17 20:56:53 <jott> mikkov_: still fails and packages are not different :(
Aug 17 20:56:54 <GAN800> lcuk, only if you install my superawesomehax.deb first;
Aug 17 20:57:09 <V13> gan800 nope but I found something on the forum (page 28 :)
Aug 17 20:57:15 <V13> but still can't doit
Aug 17 20:57:18 <lcuk> GAN800, :D
Aug 17 20:57:49 <GAN800> V13, then you didn't do it right
Aug 17 20:58:03 <GAN800> Post by GeneralAntilles?
Aug 17 20:58:06 <V13> I mean.. i found what happens
Aug 17 20:58:14 <V13> but I'm stuck
Aug 17 20:58:28 <CptLaptop> mikkov_: linpus lite is tailored for the hardware, apaprently people have tried ubuntu and had it hang and stuff like that
Aug 17 20:58:37 <mikkov_> jott: dpkg -l ;)
Aug 17 20:58:42 <jott> yes
Aug 17 20:58:45 <jott> :)
Aug 17 20:58:53 <V13> situation is like this: apt-get upgrade from ssh for feature upgrade, ssh stoped, upgrade seemed to finished, flashed n800 (boot from sd)
Aug 17 20:59:00 <V13> but after rebooting, the sd won't boot
Aug 17 20:59:01 <mikkov_> need to save that print :)
Aug 17 20:59:03 <jott> and i removed the debian patches.
Aug 17 20:59:13 <jott> mikkov_: it's really just the rootstrap
Aug 17 20:59:17 <jott> with gawk installed
Aug 17 20:59:17 <V13> it stays on the boot screen (the blue bar and the nokia logo)
Aug 17 20:59:28 <mikkov_> ok
Aug 17 20:59:49 <GAN800> V13, DO NOT apt-get upgrade with a broken osso-software-versiom
Aug 17 20:59:50 <V13> i booted in internal memory, upgraded, reflashed but same thing..
Aug 17 20:59:59 <V13> gan ?
Aug 17 21:00:03 <GAN800> You screwed up icd2, probably.
Aug 17 21:00:08 <V13> nope..
Aug 17 21:00:15 <V13> it just restarted...
Aug 17 21:00:18 <V13> as expected...
Aug 17 21:00:28 <GAN800> apt-get upgrade is not how SSU works.
Aug 17 21:00:35 <V13> I know that now..
Aug 17 21:00:44 <BULLE> and what is SSU ?
Aug 17 21:00:48 <V13> I read that there are some flags that apt doesn't understand
Aug 17 21:01:06 <GAN800> You upgrade osso-software-version-rx*4 and it pulls
Aug 17 21:01:40 <V13> well.. now I've booted in the internal memory and chrooted to the SD installation
Aug 17 21:01:45 <V13> but I don't know how to fix this
Aug 17 21:01:53 <V13> I don't have any clue about what's wrong
Aug 17 21:02:29 <V13> everything seems like the upgraded went mostly ok
Aug 17 21:02:58 <V13> all packages are fresh (changed diablo-1 to diablo and tested apt-get upgrade)
Aug 17 21:03:05 <V13> except from some minors
Aug 17 21:03:18 <V13> which I'm trying to fix by installing -unlocked
Aug 17 21:03:53 <V13> any hints ?
Aug 17 21:05:01 <GAN800> Don't upgrade broken systems via unsupported upgrade paths.
Aug 17 21:05:11 <V13> but the system wasn't broken
Aug 17 21:05:21 <V13> why do you believe it was ?
Aug 17 21:06:36 <V13> I also did this: dpkg -l on the internal (upgraded, SSU, working) memory and dpkg -l on the SD (chroot) and all packages that are installed in internal memory are the same.
Aug 17 21:06:44 <V13> same versions
Aug 17 21:08:21 <GAN800> OK, don't upgrade with sketchy repositories.
Aug 17 21:09:01 <V13> I'm sorry... what 'sketchy' means?
Aug 17 21:10:06 <GAN800> Suspect packages
Aug 17 21:10:13 <V13> such as ?
Aug 17 21:10:34 <GAN800> Like using the SDK repo on device
Aug 17 21:10:49 <GAN800> or the rtcomm beta repo and not installing it correctly.
Aug 17 21:11:04 <GAN800> or a variety of broken 3rd party repos.
Aug 17 21:11:05 <V13> well.. rtcomm was originally installed correctly
Aug 17 21:11:09 <V13> and never messed with it
Aug 17 21:11:30 <V13> anyway.. it seems like booting problem and not like package problem
Aug 17 21:11:46 <V13> *all* required packages are installed and of the same version
Aug 17 21:11:51 <V13> as tested by dpkg -l
Aug 17 21:12:10 <mikkov_> jott: cmake builds in my sb rootstrap installation too...
Aug 17 21:12:20 <V13> is there a way to get a boot console ?
Aug 17 21:12:48 <V13> to see boot messages
Aug 17 21:13:48 <jott> mikkov_: really strange..
Aug 17 21:15:27 <hvelarde|stealth> USB Control is not running on Diablo according to this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Diablo:_Missing_Packages
Aug 17 21:16:04 <V13> hvelarde I've usb control installed on diablo but I don't remember testing it
Aug 17 21:16:10 <V13> it surely runs
Aug 17 21:16:50 <hvelarde|stealth> V13: "Note that USB Control is NOT the same thing as maemo-control-usb" :-)
Aug 17 21:17:06 <hvelarde|stealth> I have maemo-control-usb installed also
Aug 17 21:17:15 <V13> I believe you're talking about the program that changes usb mode ?
Aug 17 21:17:19 <hvelarde|stealth> yes
Aug 17 21:17:26 <V13> it runs :)
Aug 17 21:17:29 <hvelarde|stealth> how did you installed it?
Aug 17 21:17:42 <V13> I don't remember...
Aug 17 21:17:46 <hvelarde|stealth> :-(
Aug 17 21:18:01 <V13> what problem does it have ?
Aug 17 21:18:31 <hvelarde|stealth> is says something like: Impossible to install usbcontrol; incompatible application package
Aug 17 21:18:57 <V13> xm..
Aug 17 21:19:02 <V13> most probably I forced it :)
Aug 17 21:19:08 <V13> ah.. yes
Aug 17 21:19:25 <V13> apt-get or dpkg should work
Aug 17 21:19:30 <V13> without forcing it
Aug 17 21:19:34 <GeneralAntilles> V13, it's a package issue.
Aug 17 21:19:42 <GeneralAntilles> Something wasn't installed correctly
Aug 17 21:19:43 <V13> or, red pill of course
Aug 17 21:19:49 <hvelarde|stealth> btw, i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial on the repositoires stuff?
Aug 17 21:19:57 <GeneralAntilles> so the watchdog is restarting during boot.
Aug 17 21:19:58 <hvelarde|stealth> what is red pill?
Aug 17 21:20:06 <V13> antilles no.. it is not restarting
Aug 17 21:20:09 <GeneralAntilles> hvelarde|stealth, DO NOT CONCERN YOURSELF WITH RED PILL.
Aug 17 21:20:19 <GeneralAntilles> V13, did you disable the watchdogs, then?
Aug 17 21:20:26 <V13> antilles: nope
Aug 17 21:20:29 <hvelarde|stealth> GeneralAntilles: don't have to be so rude :-(
Aug 17 21:20:31 <jott> mikkov_: -- Performing Test HAVE_POLL_FINE - Failed
Aug 17 21:20:32 <jott> hmmm
Aug 17 21:20:38 <GeneralAntilles> hvelarde|stealth, I'm not being rude
Aug 17 21:20:41 <V13> antilles it fills the blue bar and waits there
Aug 17 21:20:44 <jott> (only on the builder)
Aug 17 21:20:47 <GeneralAntilles> I'm trying to protect you from a lot of pain and suffering.
Aug 17 21:20:55 <hvelarde|stealth> ok
Aug 17 21:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> I'm looking out for your well-being.
Aug 17 21:21:14 <Andy80> hi all
Aug 17 21:21:21 <hvelarde|stealth> but you don't have to scream
Aug 17 21:21:28 <hvelarde|stealth> :-)
Aug 17 21:21:35 <V13> antilles: I've read your post in the forum and understood what could went wrong... for the upgrade. So, I checked all packages and they seemed ok.
Aug 17 21:21:42 <jott> mikkov_: i think this might be a good trace.
Aug 17 21:21:47 <GeneralAntilles> hvelarde|stealth, I'm emphasizing an important point.
Aug 17 21:21:49 <V13> antilles: but now I don't have a clue on what should I look for
Aug 17 21:21:52 <hvelarde|stealth> ok
Aug 17 21:22:00 <GeneralAntilles> If you want to get yourself in trouble, feel free to, though.
Aug 17 21:22:02 <GeneralAntilles> Not my problem.
Aug 17 21:22:23 <V13> antilles is there any way I can debug the bootup procedure ?
Aug 17 21:23:20 <V13> hvelarde most probably you can do what usbcontrol does with a simple script echo "something" > something (I don't remember it exactly)
Aug 17 21:23:31 <V13> in /sys
Aug 17 21:24:07 <hvelarde|stealth> V13: i'm a linux noob... where do I find a tutorial explaining repositoires?
Aug 17 21:24:33 <hvelarde|stealth> I don't want to break anything because of having enabled some repository
Aug 17 21:25:56 <V13> it isn't like that. What Antilles says is that by using apt or enabling red pill mode, you will be able to install things (like USB control) that are not intended for your current installation. This can always break things.
Aug 17 21:26:48 <V13> Antilles do you have any hint?
Aug 17 21:27:32 <hvelarde|stealth> V13: ok, thank you... I think I will wait for the package to be fixed
Aug 17 21:33:29 <mikkov_> jott: HAVE_POLL_FINE test doesn't look too complex..
Aug 17 21:33:54 <jott> still it fails and is related to curl :)
Aug 17 21:37:42 <V13> can anyone tell me the kernel version of the latest diablo ?
Aug 17 21:37:52 <V13> the *Exact* uname -a string
Aug 17 21:40:44 <mikkov_> Linux Nokia-N800-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jul 16 12:29:11 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown
Aug 17 21:40:54 <V13> thanks!
Aug 17 21:56:38 <crashanddie> I was at a 2600 meeting last friday
Aug 17 21:57:01 <crashanddie> At some point, I wanted to check something, and sketch a bit to make a point, I got my NIT out of my pocket
Aug 17 21:57:56 <arachnist> and then someone sent an xclock to you?
Aug 17 21:58:07 <lbt> battery died
Aug 17 21:58:21 <jott> mikkov_: still does not work :~(
Aug 17 21:58:21 <GeneralAntilles> and you were mugged?
Aug 17 21:58:22 <lbt> just b4 the nit crashed
Aug 17 21:58:54 <lbt> jott: that's not fair, he's tired...
Aug 17 21:59:00 <crashanddie> they all started bitching about "how we need a device like that runs linux"
Aug 17 21:59:18 <crashanddie> that's when I started thinking "am I at the correct meeting ?"
Aug 17 21:59:21 <lbt> please tell me you didn't have the XP theme
Aug 17 21:59:28 <crashanddie> no I don't
Aug 17 21:59:51 <mickey__> Has anybody here build Qtopia for scratchbox with maemo?  Is there a recent tutorial available somewhere?
Aug 17 22:00:18 <crashanddie> a few minutes later, one of them told me "what CPU does that run on ?" "Armel" "Bleh, those things will be worth something when it's x86"
Aug 17 22:00:21 <crashanddie> '-_-
Aug 17 22:00:43 <jott> mickey__: yes. works fine.
Aug 17 22:00:47 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3600
Aug 17 22:00:53 <jott> mickey__: well more or less :)
Aug 17 22:00:56 <GeneralAntilles> The summary and the severity don't quite jive.
Aug 17 22:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> crashanddie, did you hit him in the face with it?
Aug 17 22:01:33 <jott> ~lart builder
Aug 17 22:01:33 * infobot cats /dev/urandom into builder's ear
Aug 17 22:01:40 <GeneralAntilles> I like it when people put their computer's OS in the OS field for ITOS bugs.
Aug 17 22:02:40 <crashanddie> GeneralAntilles, you think I'd risk breaking my device on some unwitting luser who calls himself a hacker ?
Aug 17 22:03:02 <crashanddie> it was quite a joke really, last time I'll be going to 2600 afaik
Aug 17 22:03:59 <GeneralAntilles> My N800 is durable enough to break some idiot's nose. :D
Aug 17 22:04:25 <crashanddie> yeah but his girlfriend was big
Aug 17 22:04:57 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 17 22:06:38 * GeneralAntilles really wants to make fun of guenther for: http://wiki.maemo.org/100Days/Sprint4#Activity_log but he's never on IRC anymore. . . .
Aug 17 22:07:57 <mikkov_> jott: cmake build fails on my Fedora, but it fails much earlier than on autobuilder
Aug 17 22:08:40 <mikkov_> something qemu related
Aug 17 22:09:01 <moontiger> is there a good hildon api reference that works with the devhelp system?
Aug 17 22:10:53 <Slyh> hi
Aug 17 22:10:54 <jott> mikkov_: yeah qemu is also quite high in my list of suspects...
Aug 17 22:12:59 <mikkov_> jott: is there any trick to make autobuilder build for i386 first? change arch?
Aug 17 22:13:17 <mikkov_> to see if there is same error
Aug 17 22:13:20 <jott> mmh no sure.
Aug 17 22:13:35 <jott> but i bet it will run fine.
Aug 17 22:13:37 <mikkov_> or to confirm that there is no error with i386 :)
Aug 17 22:13:43 <mikkov_> yeah
Aug 17 22:14:20 <jott> still it is a mytery why it fails on the builder and not on the host :(
Aug 17 22:14:23 <jott> mystery
Aug 17 22:37:13 <icefox> Can someone tell me if /usr/share/mime is user writable on the maemo?
Aug 17 22:37:58 <lbt> no
Aug 17 22:38:03 <lbt> it's not
Aug 17 22:40:02 <icefox> The bug is that XDG_DATA_HOME is pointing to it.  From the spec: $XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used.  So any Qt app that uses QDesktopServices::dataLocation() which follows the spec will fail to save any data
Aug 17 22:40:34 <piku> anyone here use mono on a Nokia 770?
Aug 17 22:40:39 <piku> I saw screenshots of monoeye running
Aug 17 22:40:43 <piku> which uses webrequest and httpwebrequest
Aug 17 22:40:45 <icefox> They probably mean to be setting XDG_DATA_DIRS
Aug 17 22:40:59 <piku> but when I try it gives me notsupportedexception
Aug 17 22:41:18 <piku> I know it should be working so I guess I'll have to build a later version of mono in scratchbox or something
Aug 17 22:52:19 <V13> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Aug 17 22:52:31 <V13> I did it :)
Aug 17 22:55:00 <V13> Ok, for the history, two things:
Aug 17 22:55:33 <V13> 1) If you install bash2 then it will prevent it from booting
Aug 17 22:55:51 <GAN800> It shouldn't. . . .
Aug 17 22:56:03 <GAN800> zapppp?
Aug 17 22:56:06 <V13> the first time you use it, it asks (@#$!@)$^%%%%%%%%%%%)$^@)$%@)$^%@*$%@$%) whether you want it to auto-configure (!$!@$)^#%@$%@@&%^@$%)
Aug 17 22:56:14 <V13> an waits this forever when booting
Aug 17 22:56:34 <GAN800> Ahaaa
Aug 17 22:56:51 <V13> I just happened to reboot after upgrading
Aug 17 22:56:52 <GAN800> V13, can you poke zap about that at some point?
Aug 17 22:56:59 <V13> zap ?
Aug 17 22:57:08 <GAN800> He'd be the packager.
Aug 17 22:57:15 <V13> yes.
Aug 17 22:57:21 <V13> I'll
Aug 17 22:57:33 <V13> 2) There is a way to debug the bootup procedure
Aug 17 22:57:55 <V13> you need to have the initfs_flash installed with a telnet/ssh server
Aug 17 22:58:10 <V13> and set up usb net from it
Aug 17 22:58:13 <V13> after that you do:
Aug 17 22:58:17 <GAN800> V13, there's an oldish wiki article on debugging bootup
Aug 17 22:58:26 <V13> xmm..
Aug 17 22:58:36 <GAN800> Think you could drop your procedure in there? :D
Aug 17 22:58:44 <V13> why didn't anyone mentioned it 2 hours ago when I asked for it ? :)
Aug 17 22:58:58 <GAN800> Because it's not useful at the moment
Aug 17 22:59:13 <GAN800> and it actually didn't come to mind until just now.
Aug 17 22:59:21 <V13> do you know the url ?
Aug 17 22:59:59 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Reporting_reboot_issues
Aug 17 23:00:08 <V13> anyway, I'll write it here since this is also displayed on the web.. I'll visit the wiki too
Aug 17 23:00:19 <V13> after logging in:
Aug 17 23:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> If you want to retask that to something closer to "Troubleshooting boot issues" or similar. . . .
Aug 17 23:00:53 <V13> * Load modules (jbd, mbdcache, etc...) and mount your root partition to /mnt/new_root
Aug 17 23:01:06 <V13> * cd /mnt/new_root ; mount -obind /tmp /mnt/new_root/tmp ; pivot_root . mnt/initfs
Aug 17 23:01:13 <V13> * export OSSO_VERSION=$(cat /etc/osso_software_version)
Aug 17 23:01:32 <V13> * cd /etc/init.d ; ./rcS ; ./rc 2
Aug 17 23:01:42 <V13> and watch the error...
Aug 17 23:02:12 <V13> don't forget that the watchdog will time you so it is better to have a 'buffer' and copy-paste from there.
Aug 17 23:02:36 <GeneralAntilles> V13, the watchdogs can be disabled with the flasher
Aug 17 23:02:46 <V13> didn't knew that...
Aug 17 23:02:49 <GeneralAntilles> It's in the rd-mode-flags
Aug 17 23:02:53 <V13> I believe it can also be disabled from /sys
Aug 17 23:02:57 <V13> or /proc
Aug 17 23:03:01 <V13> (or both :)
Aug 17 23:04:08 <V13> Just visited the wiki page but it is not related to this (I think)
Aug 17 23:04:23 <V13> it says about reboots, not boots
Aug 17 23:05:33 <GeneralAntilles> Same thing
Aug 17 23:05:38 <GeneralAntilles> It's old and needs care.
Aug 17 23:05:47 <GeneralAntilles> You're in a good position to provide some of that. ;)
Aug 17 23:06:11 <V13> I'll create a new page "Troubleshooting boot issues"
Aug 17 23:07:00 <GeneralAntilles> OK, I'll probably pull anything that looks useful off the existing page and delete it, then.
Aug 17 23:07:07 <V13> :)
Aug 17 23:07:09 <V13> OK :)
Aug 17 23:07:55 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks for taking the time. :)
Aug 17 23:08:01 <V13> np..
Aug 17 23:08:09 <V13> thank you for the forum post..
Aug 17 23:09:45 <V13> How do I add code in the wiki ?
Aug 17 23:09:55 <V13> (the tag..)
Aug 17 23:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> Either you can add a space before each line of code
Aug 17 23:11:05 <V13> 10x
Aug 17 23:11:08 <GeneralAntilles> or wrap it in <code></code> if you want it inline
Aug 17 23:11:43 <GeneralAntilles> https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card
Aug 17 23:11:48 <GeneralAntilles> That should illustrate both.
Aug 17 23:16:04 <V13> https://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues
Aug 17 23:16:13 <V13> quick&dirty
Aug 17 23:19:41 <V13> now...
Aug 17 23:19:49 <V13> where can I find 'zap'?
Aug 17 23:20:15 <V13> (sara conor?)
Aug 17 23:20:24 <lcuk> v13, put your fingers in a plug socket. i normally find zap hiding there
Aug 17 23:20:44 <V13> An e-mail would be ok too
Aug 17 23:21:05 <lcuk> i can't power my tv from an email
Aug 17 23:21:29 <GeneralAntilles> V13, check the maintainer field on bash2
Aug 17 23:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Should be in the info pane in Application manager.
Aug 17 23:21:39 <qos> how do i fix the screen rotation after the last ssu?
Aug 17 23:21:54 <V13> lcuk technology advances real fast
Aug 17 23:22:04 <V13> antilles right!
Aug 17 23:22:04 <GAN800> qos, reflash the kernel
Aug 17 23:22:32 <qos> GAN800, with what?
Aug 17 23:22:56 <GAN800> Same way you installed it the first time.
Aug 17 23:23:12 <lcuk> v13, to mirror gen's post, thank you for taking the time to add to the wiki.  i read through it, the ip address you state (192.168.10.1) i gather thats the ip for the local lan, and to remove ambiguity would you just say that somewhere if it is.
Aug 17 23:23:13 <GAN800> See qwerty12's diablo rotation post on itT.
Aug 17 23:24:14 <qos> GAN800, but the new kernel which came with the ssu had for sure some improvements. are they gone, if i you the old one again?
Aug 17 23:24:47 <qos> *use
Aug 17 23:24:59 <GAN800> No, it's still the old build.
Aug 17 23:25:04 <GAN800> uname -a
Aug 17 23:25:43 <qos> GAN800, so, why was it changed?
Aug 17 23:26:11 <GAN800> A little weirdness with the first SSU run, probably.
Aug 17 23:27:22 <V13> lcuk one moment
Aug 17 23:28:14 <lcuk> v13, no rush at all, you have already done a nice job
Aug 17 23:28:57 <qos> GAN800, this one? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=196034&postcount=194
Aug 17 23:29:27 <V13> naah..
Aug 17 23:29:38 <V13> it should be ok now..
Aug 17 23:30:21 <GAN800> qos, yeah.
Aug 17 23:30:30 <V13> ok.. I've contacted zap too..
Aug 17 23:31:47 <bef0rd> what is sliderotate
Aug 17 23:33:06 <lcuk> ill take a guess and say it rotates the screen when you slide the keyboard in and out
Aug 17 23:34:46 <bef0rd> :o hehe I supposed, just read about it on qos link
Aug 17 23:35:02 <jott> hm "curse rotation" would be funny if you yell at the device it will rotate :)
Aug 17 23:35:22 <jott> and then you curse again and  it will flip back :)
Aug 17 23:36:51 <lcuk> reason-rotate is the follow up.  you have to reason with the device and make it feel good before it will rotate
Aug 17 23:37:52 <V13> bye guys... thanks for the help...
Aug 17 23:41:15 <GeneralAntilles> ^ useful person
Aug 17 23:41:19 <GeneralAntilles> Not enough of those around.
Aug 17 23:42:14 <lcuk> plenty of people with useful skills, but being able to handle documenting what they do is much rarer :)
Aug 17 23:43:10 <qos> GAN800, sure about the kernel feature thing? current kernel version is: 2.6.21-200829maemo1, qwerty12's version is: 2.6.21-200823maemo3...
Aug 17 23:43:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, not just bitching and moaning and whining and pissing, but actually figuring out the problem and being willing to invest the time back into the community by telling others how to help themselves.
Aug 17 23:43:30 <GeneralAntilles> qos, uname -a
Aug 17 23:43:34 <GeneralAntilles> Look at the build date.
Aug 17 23:43:41 <GeneralAntilles> The package was updated, but I don't believe the kernel was.
Aug 17 23:45:13 <qos> GeneralAntilles, the nokia guys updated the package but didn't changed its content?
Aug 17 23:46:16 <GeneralAntilles> As far as I can tell
Aug 17 23:46:33 <GeneralAntilles> It may have been to address the missing dependencies issue
Aug 17 23:46:39 <GeneralAntilles> or it may have just been an updated packaging
Aug 17 23:46:42 <GeneralAntilles> Who knows.
Aug 17 23:46:53 <GeneralAntilles> I'm sure you can badger qwerty12 into figuring it out, though. ;)
Aug 17 23:48:37 <jott> they sould atleast provide the source somewhere if they changed it ;)
Aug 17 23:48:50 * jott swings the gpl hammer
Aug 17 23:49:27 <qos> *schuuuuuwiingggg
Aug 17 23:49:55 <GeneralAntilles> jott, another reason why I don't think the kernel was changed.
Aug 17 23:52:20 <jott> but on the other hand it's nokias strange release department.... :/
Aug 17 23:53:02 <jott> so current kernel version is 200829?
Aug 17 23:53:20 <qos> jott, it was :)
Aug 17 23:54:21 <GAN800> uname -a
Aug 17 23:54:30 <GAN800> Current kernel package version.
Aug 17 23:55:46 <qos> 2.6.21-omap1 same as before using qwertys kernel
Aug 17 23:57:39 <qos> i am getting aware of not registering the other stuff from the output.
Aug 17 23:58:04 <qos> seems to be important too :)
Aug 18 00:59:53 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602
Aug 18 01:00:04 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody remember the bug number(s?) that that's a duplicate of.
Aug 18 01:00:33 <GeneralAntilles> Mr. freedesktop.org is just making my life harder. <_<
Aug 18 01:12:49 <GeneralAntilles> Oh hell
Aug 18 01:12:56 <GeneralAntilles> There's like a thousand of these stupid bugs
Aug 18 01:13:07 <pupnik_> stinky semen
Aug 18 01:13:07 <pupnik_> stinky semen
Aug 18 01:13:09 <pupnik_> stinky semen
Aug 18 01:13:11 <pupnik_> kill idiots
Aug 18 01:13:12 <pupnik_> kill idiots
Aug 18 01:13:15 <pupnik_> kill idiots
Aug 18 01:13:17 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehe
Aug 18 01:13:19 <GeneralAntilles> Amen to that.
Aug 18 01:13:43 <pupnik_> sorry  i am misantrhoptic
Aug 18 01:14:18 * pupnik_ stabs the shit brain soon-to-be-dead smackpotato 
Aug 18 01:14:30 <pupnik_> die forever, scum
Aug 18 01:14:54 <smackpotato> a bit harsh wouldn't you say
Aug 18 01:15:07 <pupnik_> i just got my ass kicked by police
Aug 18 01:15:14 <smackpotato> cool
Aug 18 01:15:19 <pupnik_> talked my way out of jail
Aug 18 01:15:29 <smackpotato> cool
Aug 18 01:15:42 <smackpotato> what country
Aug 18 01:15:46 <pupnik_> germany
Aug 18 01:15:50 <smackpotato> ahh
Aug 18 01:15:53 <pupnik_> hand broken
Aug 18 01:16:08 <smackpotato> fight?
Aug 18 01:16:17 <pupnik_> i am not sure
Aug 18 01:16:24 <pupnik_> they were nice... i remember that
Aug 18 01:16:34 <GeneralAntilles> What in the world happened?
Aug 18 01:16:38 <smackpotato> otherwize a fun night
Aug 18 01:16:47 <smackpotato> ?
Aug 18 01:16:48 <pupnik_> but there was this breaking things
Aug 18 01:16:50 <pupnik_> yes
Aug 18 01:17:06 <pupnik_> must go to hospital
Aug 18 01:17:23 <smackpotato> sorry about that
Aug 18 01:17:26 <pupnik_> hah
Aug 18 01:17:35 <pupnik_> comeon - happy times
Aug 18 01:17:41 <smackpotato> i saw a guy get busted last night
Aug 18 01:18:16 <pupnik_> yeah...
Aug 18 01:18:30 <pupnik_> it's really nice to be able to walk honme without any clothes
Aug 18 01:18:34 <smackpotato> i was going to yell tazz him bro. but then i thought he might have a friend
Aug 18 01:18:40 <pupnik_> and then the cops are like "dude just go to bed"
Aug 18 01:19:00 <smackpotato> ya bed is goood sume times
Aug 18 01:19:02 <pupnik_> i will prove some shit now
Aug 18 01:19:18 <pupnik_> bitches
Aug 18 01:19:57 <smackpotato> are you home now
Aug 18 01:20:20 <pupnik_> yes
Aug 18 01:20:23 <pupnik_> ready?
Aug 18 01:20:37 <smackpotato> ?
Aug 18 01:20:49 <pupnik_> i was goatse
Aug 18 01:20:57 <pupnik_> tonight i will call the cops on him
Aug 18 01:20:59 <smackpotato> lol
Aug 18 01:22:05 <smackpotato> so have you  played with the 810 lately
Aug 18 01:23:24 <smackpotato> to change the subject
Aug 18 01:24:27 <GeneralAntilles> I could've sworn there were more of these "cannot remove default installer icons" bugs. . . .
Aug 18 01:26:39 <GeneralAntilles> Alright, how should I do this?
Aug 18 01:26:48 <GeneralAntilles> Take bug #3602
Aug 18 01:26:59 <GeneralAntilles> Use it as a meta-bug for the rest of these "cannot remove" bugs?
Aug 18 01:28:34 <blahdeblah-lap> Hi.  I'm about to Flash the firmware on my N800 from the latest "flashing required for upgrades" to the new "no flashing required" firmware.  Anything i need to watch out for?  I have lots of backups already.
Aug 18 01:28:57 <GeneralAntilles> Not really
Aug 18 01:29:10 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe some edge-cases where some software hasn't been moved into Diablo Extras
Aug 18 01:29:18 <GeneralAntilles> But most of the stuff is there.
Aug 18 01:29:21 <smackpotato1> flashing worked great for me on the 810
Aug 18 01:29:26 <blahdeblah-lap> cool - thanks
Aug 18 01:29:31 * blahdeblah-lap dives in
Aug 18 01:29:52 <GeneralAntilles> ~ssu
Aug 18 01:30:05 <GeneralAntilles> infobot is never here when you need him. . . .
Aug 18 01:35:26 <moontiger> GA... when i have my first lil app ready to go how do i get it in the repos etc etc ? :)
Aug 18 01:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> ~uploading-extras
Aug 18 01:35:55 <GeneralAntilles> No infobot. :(
Aug 18 01:35:56 <GeneralAntilles> One sec
Aug 18 01:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras
Aug 18 01:36:18 <moontiger> thnx :)
Aug 18 01:36:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://maemo.org/intro/share_apps/
Aug 18 01:36:33 <GeneralAntilles> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Aug 18 01:36:46 <GeneralAntilles> Do you have a Garage project?
Aug 18 01:38:02 <pupnik_> done bitches
Aug 18 01:39:22 <moontiger> ummmmmmm nope none of that yet ... im just getting my first lil app done in python ... all that looks like it'll keep me busy for a day or two :|
Aug 18 01:39:42 <moontiger> bitches?
Aug 18 01:40:09 <bef0rd> :X
Aug 18 01:40:56 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik_'s either about to drop some mad-hot shit on us or he just fell asleep. ;)
Aug 18 01:41:04 <pupnik_> heh?
Aug 18 01:41:25 <pupnik_> i just watched my dad drive on heroin
Aug 18 01:41:40 <pupnik_> which is cool and fine with me, of course
Aug 18 01:41:41 <moontiger> uh huh
Aug 18 01:41:49 * moontiger rolls eyes
Aug 18 01:41:53 <pupnik_> we should all drive cars stoned
Aug 18 01:42:05 <pupnik_> want to fuck with me, bitch moontiger
Aug 18 01:42:17 <pupnik_> right now bitch?
Aug 18 01:42:29 <moontiger> ummmmm not really ... but have you ever seen anyone *really* trying to drive on heroin?
Aug 18 01:42:42 <pupnik_> !- moontiger [n=lauren@c-24-5-78-245.hsd1.ca.comcast.net
Aug 18 01:42:46 <pupnik_> terrorist watch list.
Aug 18 01:42:50 <moontiger> ooooooooooo
Aug 18 01:42:51 <pupnik_> you're on it bitch
Aug 18 01:43:00 <smackpotato1> heroin is rare here in canada
Aug 18 01:43:00 <GeneralAntilles> lol
Aug 18 01:43:11 <moontiger> you can do a whoir
Aug 18 01:43:12 <pupnik_> suck your own shit, moontiger
Aug 18 01:43:13 <moontiger> s
Aug 18 01:43:29 <GeneralAntilles> The sad part is, that's about all it takes to get on a one of those retarded lists.
Aug 18 01:43:39 <pupnik_> exactly
Aug 18 01:43:39 <GeneralAntilles> s/ a //
Aug 18 01:43:57 <smackpotato1> dont mention the war
Aug 18 01:44:00 <pupnik_> terror, bitch, mccain, cancer, anthrax
Aug 18 01:44:17 <pupnik_> FUCK THE POLICE
Aug 18 01:44:18 * GeneralAntilles sends the suits to take pupnik_ away.
Aug 18 01:44:20 <pupnik_> FUCK THE STATE
Aug 18 01:44:34 <pupnik_> never gonna die bitch
Aug 18 01:44:36 <moontiger> wow puppy you should move to europe :)
Aug 18 01:44:52 <pupnik_> gonna slice some cunt throats
Aug 18 01:45:17 <GeneralAntilles> One free ticket to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Aug 18 01:45:26 <GeneralAntilles> It's the world's easiest sweepstakes to win. :P
Aug 18 01:45:49 <pupnik_> all i have to do is kill one idiot, GeneralAntilles
Aug 18 01:46:03 <GeneralAntilles> The Feds be watchin' my back, yo.
Aug 18 01:46:03 <pupnik_> just... one... idiot...
Aug 18 01:46:27 <smackpotato1> admit you want to go to the designated protest area is a good one
Aug 18 01:47:10 <moontiger> anyways back to coding... good to ummmm meet you puppy ;)
Aug 18 01:47:20 * GeneralAntilles goes back to figuring out a solution to the osso-software-version depending on retarded commercial software dummy entries.
Aug 18 01:59:54 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602
Aug 18 02:04:07 <pupnik_> fascinating how many people eat shit
Aug 18 02:04:17 <pupnik_> so many 'professionals'
Aug 18 02:04:23 <pupnik_> arejust 2girls1cup
Aug 18 02:04:49 <pupnik_> we need a 2girls1cup olypics
Aug 18 02:04:54 <pupnik_> with free drugs
Aug 18 02:05:09 <pupnik_> cunt bitch shit eater
Aug 18 02:06:11 <GeneralAntilles> My goodness, the google searches these logs will be showing up in now!
Aug 18 02:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> Wont anybody please think of the children?! :P
Aug 18 02:07:36 <smackpotato> .
Aug 18 02:21:33 <trev0r> is it normal for the power port to be a little loose... when i plug the adapter in it can wiggle around a bit
Aug 18 02:21:44 <trev0r> with the n810
Aug 18 02:21:49 <GeneralAntilles> Yes
Aug 18 02:43:57 <Proteous> I wiggled around a bit once
Aug 18 02:44:05 <Proteous> it's wasn't as fun as you would think
Aug 18 02:52:14 <robink> smackpotato: Hello.
Aug 18 02:54:28 <blahdeblah-lap> Hey folks, what is the difference between mogg and ogg-support, and which one should i prefer?
Aug 18 02:55:53 <robink> ogg-support
Aug 18 02:56:47 <blahdeblah-lap> robink: any particular reason for that?
Aug 18 02:56:57 <robink> blahdeblah-lap: I don't actually know the reason...
Aug 18 02:58:48 <blahdeblah-lap> ok
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