**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 20 02:59:56 2008 Aug 20 03:31:08 Has anyone else had problems flashing an N800 with the RX-34_DIABLO_4.20 Aug 20 03:31:08 08.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin image? Aug 20 03:33:18 I posted to this channel earlier today and got no response. Looking back in the IRC log, it looks like at least one other person (handle = hub) ran into the same problem. Aug 20 03:35:22 Their solution, and the one that worked for me, was to ditch the RX-34_DIABLO image and instead go with RX-34_2008SE.2.2007 ... Aug 20 03:37:04 Er, what, exactly, is the issue? Aug 20 04:07:49 huh.. I just flashed with the RX 34 2008SE image Aug 20 04:08:06 seems to be going well.. from 64bit linux Aug 20 04:08:35 upgrade process consists of two commands: apt-get remove mplayer apt-get install mplayer Aug 20 04:08:38 * GeneralAntilles facepalm Aug 20 04:08:49 You gotta wonder about some people. Aug 20 04:10:20 * ShadowJK wonders if that works better for people mixing/changing random repos back and forth Aug 20 04:11:54 the backup it found appareantly has some of my settings.. I had forgotten about.. so far so good Aug 20 04:12:05 now to compare dpkg list Aug 20 04:12:17 I had python and apache going Aug 20 04:12:33 I don't get why people are obsessed with filling their catalogs with tons and tons of craptastic repositories. Aug 20 04:13:35 decentralized repos.. its inevitable, dont you think? Aug 20 04:15:23 Only decentralized because of assholes insisting on opening a new one for each and every damn package. Aug 20 04:15:35 There's one repo you need, and that's Extras. Aug 20 04:17:33 ok.. so ssh.. how does this go.. Aug 20 04:18:38 openSSH is in te installable apps list Aug 20 04:20:31 Of course it is, it's in Extras. Aug 20 04:30:10 hmm my old dpkg list shows gnu readline Aug 20 04:30:22 I wonder what the package name is for that Aug 20 04:34:06 and it says cant stat package xxx from http://xarchive.garage.maemo.org chinook/user packages Aug 20 04:34:15 this is diablo Aug 20 04:34:30 perhaps I need to expunge some list of repos Aug 20 04:36:07 gan: how do people reply to bugmail? Aug 20 04:38:07 so where do I get apache, python and gnu readline? Aug 20 04:38:24 yuck :) Aug 20 04:38:34 python should come from extras ... Aug 20 04:38:41 and i'd hope readline would too Aug 20 04:38:54 (if they don't come from tools/sdk) Aug 20 04:39:39 timeless: why yuck? Aug 20 04:40:12 why do you want to run a full web server on a poor mobile device? Aug 20 04:40:48 well I suppose I dont have to Aug 20 04:41:00 I am writing a system in python right now for work Aug 20 04:41:22 ssh+screen Aug 20 04:41:28 python has its own, well several, ways of responding to http Aug 20 04:41:34 I dont care for apache.. Aug 20 04:42:40 as I recall, someone told me to install canola and I will get python Aug 20 04:43:26 yep. .canola2 Aug 20 04:43:47 yeah it will... Aug 20 04:44:00 I'm confused abou tthis chinook vs diablo bit Aug 20 04:44:12 looks like plenty of things are coming from sonething called chinook Aug 20 04:44:35 I sure apprecaite that backup.. Aug 20 04:44:42 it found it and it worked Aug 20 04:46:24 chinook is the old version Aug 20 04:46:37 ideally the versioning is such that stuff in diablo is newer Aug 20 04:46:57 and therefore you should get stuff from diablo if someone bothers to make a package for it Aug 20 04:47:58 ?? Aug 20 04:48:08 so I neeed to add the dablo repo? Aug 20 04:48:12 I dont see it Aug 20 04:48:18 only the General's Extras Aug 20 04:49:07 if you're running diablo Aug 20 04:49:14 then you should have/add diablo repos Aug 20 04:49:20 yes... Aug 20 04:49:34 so I just went to edit the catalog details fro maemo Extras Aug 20 04:49:46 it says "Distribution: chinook" Aug 20 04:49:51 that may be leftover Aug 20 04:49:58 maybe i should change that Aug 20 04:50:29 what version of the os are you running? Aug 20 04:51:19 I just flashed with RX 34 2008SE Aug 20 04:52:41 and I installed canola2.. saw a bunch of chinook things come in Aug 20 04:53:14 it had found a backup file and used it.. Aug 20 04:53:21 2008se? Aug 20 04:53:28 yes Aug 20 04:53:38 se usually means sales edition... Aug 20 04:53:58 well thats what I found on line Aug 20 04:54:30 ohhh I have the RX 34 DIABLO sitting here Aug 20 04:54:37 not on the right machine Aug 20 04:54:41 hmmm Aug 20 04:54:48 perhaps I should do this again Aug 20 05:04:55 coolness.. the backup file worked again Aug 20 05:05:05 *now* I am in Diablo Aug 20 05:06:17 *now* it wants to download a bunch of apps auto magically Aug 20 05:06:30 I havent touched the repos.. but its convenient to just say yes Aug 20 05:08:58 I suppose it will do the right thing (?) Aug 20 05:08:58 well I said cancel Aug 20 05:09:18 and went through the repos list and changed everything that said chinook to diablo Aug 20 05:09:55 it wants to put th eOS update in Aug 20 05:10:04 4.2008.30-2 Aug 20 05:10:08 ok to that Aug 20 05:11:45 yes Aug 20 05:18:39 * timeless sighs Aug 20 05:18:53 could we please *ban* *@plenware.com from bugs.maemo.org? Aug 20 05:48:16 anyone know if the mail app can be told to not run in the background? Aug 20 05:48:30 I like it... but I really wish I could disable it from running at times Aug 20 05:50:23 technically... Aug 20 05:50:38 not sure if it'll really work if you do it :) Aug 20 05:50:59 hachi: can you "define" times? Aug 20 05:51:09 like, should it not run if you're "offline"? Aug 20 05:51:10 when I so choose Aug 20 05:51:25 as in, when I pick the option that says "stop running this bloody process in the background" Aug 20 05:53:13 * timeless ignores hachi Aug 20 05:53:48 now I have root login Aug 20 05:53:51 gee, thanks Aug 20 05:54:01 ask me to define something, and then treat me like dirt Aug 20 05:54:16 but when I login as user, I dont know my passwd Aug 20 05:54:27 is there a default user passwd or something? Aug 20 05:54:31 there isn't really a password for user Aug 20 05:54:40 it's just not supposed to accept remote logins Aug 20 05:54:52 really? the previous one did Aug 20 05:55:00 afaik there isn't... Aug 20 05:55:03 ok.. I guess I dont care Aug 20 05:55:13 anyone else have a clue about the mail application? Aug 20 05:55:21 timeless: thx Aug 20 06:01:15 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/base-passwd-3.5.11.osso4/debian/patches/01user.dpatch#11 Aug 20 06:01:17 fwiw Aug 20 06:01:26 http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/base-passwd-3.5.11.osso4/debian/patches/01user.dpatch?mark=20#11 Aug 20 06:03:37 hachi: yah ... i think it sucks Aug 20 06:03:38 :) Aug 20 06:05:07 is that what I said that was wrong? Aug 20 06:13:19 hachi: no i dont think so ... not sure if you said anything wrong ... i *think* most people use claws Aug 20 06:13:30 note that claws can't be backed up Aug 20 06:13:52 and along w/ pidgin, it's a fairly good way to make the backup app break Aug 20 06:14:00 tar cf claws.tar ~/.claws-mail Aug 20 06:14:23 or something :) Aug 20 06:14:24 oh sure... and leave the rest of the device unable to back up Aug 20 06:14:30 ? Aug 20 06:14:44 put the tar in a card or in your documents or something Aug 20 06:14:56 if you leave if in the home, backup will break? Aug 20 06:15:07 it's not the tarbal Aug 20 06:15:14 it's the conf files for claws and purple Aug 20 06:15:20 they're written to break backup :) Aug 20 06:15:24 erm, worked here Aug 20 06:15:41 aquatix: and note that the claws one at least is broken in 3.5 Aug 20 06:15:43 backup didn't barf or whatever, and restored fine Aug 20 06:15:46 they promised a fix in "next" Aug 20 06:15:50 um... i doubt it Aug 20 06:15:53 and i use claws 3.5 Aug 20 06:15:59 since i talked to their devs Aug 20 06:16:07 the backup won't restore everything Aug 20 06:16:11 i reflashed my tablet with diablo when the last update broke Aug 20 06:16:20 and it restored as good as everything to me Aug 20 06:16:34 [i didn't restore everything, not the multimedia stuff etc] Aug 20 06:16:45 no glitches Aug 20 06:16:56 but maybe full restore fails then Aug 20 06:17:49 timeless: i dont use my n810 as my main email store anyways so i dont mind if it gets toasted in the event of a backup Aug 20 06:18:00 the last version of claws I used couldn't handle multiple accounts concurrently in the interface Aug 20 06:18:08 have they changed that recently? Aug 20 06:18:23 moontiger: suit yourself Aug 20 06:18:26 hachi: i *wish* they would make modest usable as i dont really like claws Aug 20 06:18:34 but claws works Aug 20 06:18:37 mostly Aug 20 06:18:40 the bigger problem is purple, which basically breaks backup entirely Aug 20 06:18:47 (backup is the buggy app in that case) Aug 20 06:18:48 whereas modest .... ummmmm .... sucks Aug 20 06:19:00 can you guys be more detailed than "sucks"? Aug 20 06:19:23 'you guys' ? Aug 20 06:19:41 whichever of you is going to say that it sucks Aug 20 06:19:44 timeless: no user configurable fonts ... viewing different accounts is *ridiculous* ... changing to different account is as dumb Aug 20 06:19:45 I like it Aug 20 06:19:59 and... the notification thing gets *really* annoying Aug 20 06:20:13 and ... the fact that i cant tell it to stop damn checking my email Aug 20 06:20:24 * moontiger checks her notes... Aug 20 06:20:25 I just want to make it so that when I configure it, it doesn't run all the time Aug 20 06:20:35 thats it for now i think Aug 20 06:20:43 after those i get bored and uninstall it again Aug 20 06:20:55 I'm basically cornered into configuring it, and then letting it run 24/7, or disable/delete the accounts Aug 20 06:21:29 hachi: thats my point ... they did so much good work on it and yet it is ruined by these small points Aug 20 06:21:31 i dont get it Aug 20 06:22:00 *shakes head* Aug 20 06:24:31 moontiger: perhaps you could contact pvanhoof about the issues. Aug 20 06:24:38 wow, i have 3 bugs numbered 1698 in my mailbox Aug 20 06:24:43 that's kinda odd Aug 20 06:24:54 (mozilla, maemo, claws) Aug 20 06:24:58 he's usually in freenode from around 9 CET Aug 20 06:25:43 (the guy behind tinymail and also the main developer of modest - well used to be the main developer for modest, he's working mostly on tracker at the moment) Aug 20 06:26:04 timeless: *g* Aug 20 06:26:05 * konttori bases that solely on his commit history to tracker :) Aug 20 06:28:30 timeless, hitting "reply all" on the bugmail notices or something. I get a lot of "Re: [Bug #blah]..." messages from people. Aug 20 06:28:45 hrm Aug 20 06:28:52 konttori ... i did before and got nowhere so i just stopped using it until either it gets fixed or i get enough time to try to fix it myself ... i respect whoever worked on it ... i just disagree with the design decisions they made Aug 20 06:29:15 moontiger, so, uh, what you're saying is that you think MORE people use a hard-to-find 3rd-party client than the built-in client that ships on EVERY DEVICE? Aug 20 06:29:18 Right then. . . . Aug 20 06:29:47 GA... no ... i was referring to people here mostly ... and i did say "i think" Aug 20 06:30:05 timeless, +1 on banning @plenware.com. . . . Aug 20 06:30:08 Yeah, the font issue is a big one on the platform. Did you at any point consider just using a theme with the font and font size you like more? Aug 20 06:30:30 konttori ... i do but modest completely ignoes it Aug 20 06:30:37 konttori, that wont changed Modest's fonts in the message window. Aug 20 06:30:48 Really? You must be kidding! Aug 20 06:30:55 I must check that out. Aug 20 06:31:04 sounds really truly horrific. Aug 20 06:31:05 I'd be OK if reducing font size with the zoom keys would stick Aug 20 06:31:16 But you have to change everytime you open a new message Aug 20 06:31:26 I actually really like Modest, myself. Aug 20 06:31:28 how about when you click on the next / previous button? Aug 20 06:31:30 konttori: as it stands right now i think it is horrific (to borrow your expression) Aug 20 06:31:40 * konttori also likes modest Aug 20 06:31:49 But it does have a few quirks that seem to stem from taking the whole "keep it as small as possible" way too far. Aug 20 06:31:52 * moontiger would love to like modest and keeps trying Aug 20 06:32:02 konttori, retained with next/previous. Aug 20 06:32:10 but then again, I use it to read my personal email, which means that I open it once or twice a day and mostly click on the next button Aug 20 06:32:12 But I don't always read my mail consecutively. Aug 20 06:32:25 GA: that explains why I haven't noticed the issue myself Aug 20 06:32:40 Or have been bothered by it. Aug 20 06:34:26 The multiple accounts behavior is really baffling Aug 20 06:34:41 and actually seems to have gotten worse than I remember from previously. Aug 20 06:34:44 heh Aug 20 06:35:08 Having to switch from 2 levels down in the menu is just craziness Aug 20 06:35:47 * timeless considers finding mailboxes to test w/ modest Aug 20 06:35:52 * timeless considers finding food Aug 20 06:35:58 * timeless decides to send a gmail instead Aug 20 06:37:16 To the orbit? Aug 20 06:37:27 Modest will die on big IMAP accounts, too. Aug 20 06:39:05 hrm, btw.. Aug 20 06:39:05 what would you guys say to having the maemo.org logo on mxr.maemo.org float:right instead of being left or center? Aug 20 06:39:05 btw, what's the name of the modest process that runs in the background? Aug 20 06:39:05 is it /usr/bin/modest ? Aug 20 06:39:05 * timeless coughs Aug 20 06:39:09 i think my smallest imap account is ~10,000 messages Aug 20 06:39:11 and that's one i don't use Aug 20 06:39:46 my inbox has 190,047 unread conversations :) Aug 20 06:40:21 mine top out around 10k, and I just archive the junk yearly Aug 20 06:40:22 i thought they were supposed to have limits to deal w/ big inboxes Aug 20 06:40:40 i actually archived mail from my personal gmail box yesterday for the first time ever Aug 20 06:41:12 /usr/bin/modest Aug 20 06:41:22 modest works pretty well on 10k messages still Aug 20 06:41:35 haven't tested on bigger ones though Aug 20 06:41:44 from memory, i think modest is basically instantiated by some dbuss client Aug 20 06:41:49 initial db build though takes a bit of time Aug 20 06:41:51 if you either whack the dbus client or the dbus contract Aug 20 06:41:58 you could probably get the daemon to go away Aug 20 06:42:04 possibly w/o seriously harming the ui Aug 20 06:42:33 My inbox is squeaky clean, usually. Aug 20 06:42:34 in the previous architecture, there was a task navigator client which was partially responsible for the polling of mail Aug 20 06:42:46 so it's conceivable that it's what's responsible for polling modest Aug 20 06:42:53 in which case, you could try whacking it first :) Aug 20 06:43:30 inbox is clean, but 196466 messages in the rest of my imap account :) Aug 20 06:43:58 modest generally has some troubles with it Aug 20 06:44:06 * timeless chuckles Aug 20 06:44:10 your mailbox is small :) Aug 20 06:44:12 Never tried to do message counts. Aug 20 06:44:26 Might be interesting :) Aug 20 06:44:31 XTL: claws-mail gives a total in the system tray on my machine Aug 20 06:44:35 [desktop] Aug 20 06:45:07 well, in the mouse-over of the system tray icon actually, but you get the point Aug 20 06:45:17 m-vo's idea to make Modest and MicroB uninstallable could quiet some people. Aug 20 06:45:31 um, you can't uninstall them? Aug 20 06:45:34 they're just packages Aug 20 06:45:44 Not without removing osso-software-version Aug 20 06:45:47 uninstall the meta package, and then uninstall two or so core packages for microb Aug 20 06:45:53 and never getting SSU updates again. Aug 20 06:45:59 yeah well, osso-software-version will have to be uninstalled Aug 20 06:46:03 actually, wait Aug 20 06:46:19 GeneralAntilles: well, i kinda like modest Aug 20 06:46:20 anyone here actually understand how debian alternatives works? Aug 20 06:46:26 but it's sluggy [at least to start] here Aug 20 06:46:35 timeless: somewhat Aug 20 06:46:51 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602 Aug 20 06:46:52 because i could trivially write a package that changed the depends for osso-software-version Aug 20 06:46:59 but the question is how to deal w/ upgrades Aug 20 06:47:22 or create a dummy package that provides `modest' Aug 20 06:47:29 that's what I'd have said Aug 20 06:47:54 hrm, Aug 20 06:47:58 yeah, well... Aug 20 06:48:06 providing modest isn't such a problem Aug 20 06:48:08 MicroB and Modest would be upgraded just like any other application package. Aug 20 06:48:09 providing microb is Aug 20 06:48:55 GeneralAntilles: yeah, i like that idea Aug 20 06:49:35 there are a bunch of things that use microb's functionality Aug 20 06:49:38 e.g. the tutorial Aug 20 06:49:44 and hopefully there will be more in the future Aug 20 06:49:59 if you "provide" microb (* really microb-engine+tablet-browser-daemon) Aug 20 06:49:59 I'm not really overly concerned about MicroB and Modest, but it'd definitely be nice to be able to cleanly and easily remove the commercial installers, bundled documentation, and bundled media for good without having to delete it again with every SSU push. Aug 20 06:50:18 and someone properly depends on them, then when they install, they're a broken app Aug 20 06:50:37 Hi all, I am creating one database in using my application and writing some values on to it but while writing in to it giving me error messsage like "Can't execute: attempt to write a readonly database" Aug 20 06:50:51 Wrap dillo :) Aug 20 06:50:59 :) Aug 20 06:51:04 xtl: have fun Aug 20 06:51:14 the api you need to implement is quasi public Aug 20 06:51:17 timeless: why would you want to get of microb though? Aug 20 06:51:23 but the daemon stuff isn't open source Aug 20 06:51:34 aquatix: get _rid_ of ? Aug 20 06:51:46 er, yeah Aug 20 06:51:50 * aquatix is still waking up Aug 20 06:51:52 aquatix, presumably to save space if you really don't need a browser, or to switch to an alternative once they actually become usable. Aug 20 06:51:58 brain-to-irc adapter isn't optimal yet Aug 20 06:52:09 GeneralAntilles: fair enouhg Aug 20 06:52:12 *enough Aug 20 06:52:15 gan: "it won't work" Aug 20 06:52:27 aquatix, I can't imagine being in either of those situations myself, though. ;) Aug 20 06:52:27 aquatix: in theory for the reasons gan suggests Aug 20 06:52:31 atul: You're not giving much information Aug 20 06:52:31 in practice, i'd never do it Aug 20 06:52:36 and anyone who tries will regret it Aug 20 06:52:43 it's like fighting the awesomebar Aug 20 06:52:51 eventually you'll stop fighting and learn to love it Aug 20 06:52:52 Ha Aug 20 06:52:53 Best guess would be that the error message is right :) Aug 20 06:52:58 * moontiger fought the awesome bar to start with Aug 20 06:53:00 timeless: i didn't even fight it Aug 20 06:53:02 XTL, am using Sqlite as back-edn data base Aug 20 06:53:02 there's a great /. comment for that Aug 20 06:53:17 atul: what are you trying to do? Aug 20 06:53:18 "They can't handle awesome of THAT magnitude!" Aug 20 06:53:34 i was a bit baffled the first few times i used it, but it adapted to me Aug 20 06:53:39 which is good :) Aug 20 06:53:49 Everything Firefox pretty much pisses me off these days. Aug 20 06:53:59 GA: how so? Aug 20 06:54:04 I don't use Windows machines anymore Aug 20 06:54:05 i think fx3 works quite fine Aug 20 06:54:10 default browser for me Aug 20 06:54:14 GeneralAntilles: so? Aug 20 06:54:21 i use FF3 on all my machines Aug 20 06:54:23 and there are plenty of faster, better integrated, less irritating browsers available for OS X. Aug 20 06:54:27 i use it as default linux browser Aug 20 06:54:32 ah, osx Aug 20 06:54:40 * timeless shrugs Aug 20 06:54:47 i can't use any good browsers on osx Aug 20 06:54:48 GeneralAntilles: which do you use btw? Aug 20 06:54:49 Firefox is just SLOW on all of my PPC machines for some reason. Aug 20 06:54:52 so i don't want to hear about any of them :) Aug 20 06:55:07 timeless: get a mac dammit ;) Aug 20 06:55:09 they all suck (for dropping support for 10.3) :) Aug 20 06:55:13 aquatix: i have one! Aug 20 06:55:15 that's the problem Aug 20 06:55:21 aquatix, 2x2.5GHz G5 with Leopard Aug 20 06:55:37 i have panther 1.6ghz g5 Aug 20 06:55:38 GeneralAntilles: and you're using Safari? Aug 20 06:55:46 * aquatix has none Aug 20 06:56:00 * GeneralAntilles starts fundraising for the "Let's Launch Copies of Leopard Out of a Cannon at timeless" campaign. Aug 20 06:56:06 aquatix, OmniWeb. Aug 20 06:56:14 I could also use Safari Aug 20 06:56:22 ooh, an omniweb user Aug 20 06:56:24 gan: omniweb from 5.x+ was webkit Aug 20 06:56:25 Or, hell, Camino if I had to pick something Gecko-based. Aug 20 06:56:37 I really like OmniWeb's tab system. Aug 20 06:56:38 * timeless preferred omniweb when they had their own engine Aug 20 06:57:00 * timeless regretted not buying it Aug 20 06:57:30 I was glad for OmniWeb 4 back in the IE 5.5 days. Aug 20 06:57:38 Came back to it about a year ago. Aug 20 07:00:59 * GeneralAntilles doesn't feel like having to use XP to update the HAVA box. Aug 20 07:01:21 but, it's revolutionary! Aug 20 07:01:34 * timeless cries Aug 20 07:01:41 Wish they'd just provide a web interface or something. Aug 20 07:01:44 i really should have made a bookmark to that slashdot comment Aug 20 07:01:47 it's impossible to find Aug 20 07:01:48 It's fun watching TV on the tablet, though. Aug 20 07:01:49 [sorry, was the first word i noticed googling that acronym] Aug 20 07:02:02 http://myhava.com Aug 20 07:02:20 GeneralAntilles: yeah, that's where the quote came from Aug 20 07:02:25 timeless, things you want to find usually are. :P Aug 20 07:02:32 aquatix, ah. Aug 20 07:03:00 GeneralAntilles: it's like slingbox Aug 20 07:03:12 But with tablet support! Aug 20 07:03:29 butbutbut, slingbox runs linux! Aug 20 07:04:09 GeneralAntilles: do you need a client on your tablet? Aug 20 07:04:15 or does it produce a stream? Aug 20 07:04:22 aquatix, client Aug 20 07:04:28 Although you can get to it with VLC Aug 20 07:04:33 RTSP stream Aug 20 07:04:46 So presumably you could latch onto that somehow. Aug 20 07:04:59 But that doesn't give you control of the IR blaster. Aug 20 07:05:16 hm, nice Aug 20 07:05:29 * timeless gives up Aug 20 07:07:05 hey, how does suggests work"? Aug 20 07:07:14 if you have Foo 1.1 installed Aug 20 07:07:18 and Bar 1.1 installed Aug 20 07:07:37 and you have MetaBaz 1.1 installed and it suggests Foo 1.1, Bar 1.1, Py 1.1 Aug 20 07:07:49 and you see MetaBaz 1.2 available Aug 20 07:07:58 and it suggests 1.2 of Foo, Bar and Py Aug 20 07:08:07 what happens if you try to install MetaBaz? Aug 20 07:08:42 timeless: is that your website? Aug 20 07:08:48 ? Aug 20 07:08:59 timeless, Application manager doesn't do anything about suggests. Aug 20 07:09:04 webwizardry etc etc Aug 20 07:10:04 i don't run my own servers :) webwizardr.net and viper.haque.net and timeless.justdave.net are all loaned to me by friends :) Aug 20 07:10:20 and typos are mine :) Aug 20 07:10:34 time to catch a train Aug 20 07:10:35 but you do all the coding etc yes? Aug 20 07:10:35 laters Aug 20 07:10:59 um, webwizardry.net does a lot of unrelated stuff Aug 20 07:11:03 Bye, aquatix Aug 20 07:11:06 historically a bunch of us used it to build mozillas Aug 20 07:11:13 atm i mostly use it as an ssh portal for irc Aug 20 07:11:24 viper is where i host my blog and a mailbox i never read :) Aug 20 07:11:50 timeless.justdave.net basically hosts mxr.maemo.org which is essentially a hosted application Aug 20 07:11:51 laters all Aug 20 07:11:51 cool :) Aug 20 07:11:56 very little stuff actually is developed there Aug 20 07:12:12 mostly it's developed on mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org and swift(@work) Aug 20 07:14:33 thats neat Aug 20 07:14:39 This seems a little small and pointless to justify its own article http://wiki.maemo.org/Mount_a_USB_CDROM_drive Aug 20 07:14:44 so you do dev work for a living too? Aug 20 07:14:45 * GeneralAntilles wonders where he should put it. Aug 20 07:15:02 Some general usb host mode page? Aug 20 07:15:52 That'd be https://wiki.maemo.org/USB_host_mode Aug 20 07:16:47 Makes sense to me. Perhaps a section.. Aug 20 07:16:48 http://wiki.maemo.org/Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_%28Verizon%2C_Sprint%29_and_DUN Aug 20 07:16:53 Is there a page about keyboards? Aug 20 07:16:59 That seems largely pointless. Aug 20 07:17:14 Doesn't the operator setup wizard handle all that? Aug 20 07:17:28 XTL, not yet, want to make one? :D Aug 20 07:17:30 Just bt, it seems. Aug 20 07:18:09 I thought there's another common item that could go on a usb page. Then again, the bt keyb stuff is on its own page. Aug 20 07:18:12 Tips on avoiding having your operator detect ToS violations seems like a bad topic for the maemo.rog wiki to cover. Aug 20 07:18:27 heh Aug 20 07:18:30 :) Aug 20 07:18:42 * GeneralAntilles deletes. Aug 20 07:18:56 http://wiki.maemo.org/Enabling_DUN_on_Windows_Mobile_5_and_6 Aug 20 07:19:03 "How to avoid billing issues" sounded more exciting than it was Aug 20 07:19:06 Not entirely a Maemo topic Aug 20 07:19:15 gan: http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Whatlinkshere/Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_(Verizon%2C_Sprint)_and_DUN Aug 20 07:19:18 Probably better served by a google search Aug 20 07:19:31 Or just installing PAN-support. . . . Aug 20 07:19:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Everything_about_CDMA-like_Providers_(Verizon%2C_Sprint)_and_DUN&action=edit Aug 20 07:19:41 You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason: Aug 20 07:19:41 Your user name or IP address has been blocked. Aug 20 07:19:42 The block was made by dneary. The reason given is Anonymous contributions over HTTP restricted.. Aug 20 07:19:59 timeless: how about https? Aug 20 07:20:01 is it possible to fix the error to say Aug 20 07:20:08 "you are not logged in, perhaps you should log in first" Aug 20 07:20:25 Might be a bit more friendly. (https works, though) Aug 20 07:20:37 yeah well... Aug 20 07:20:38 that too Aug 20 07:20:38 timeless, not without nasty mediawiki hacks. Aug 20 07:20:49 grr Aug 20 07:20:58 what about changing the edit links to be https? Aug 20 07:21:02 Personally, I'm in favor of using MediaWiki's permissions to properly ban anonymouse edits. Aug 20 07:21:05 you can't seriously tell me that *that* would be hard? Aug 20 07:21:16 anonymous* Aug 20 07:21:32 Well, I suppose I could change the ban reason. Aug 20 07:21:33 One sec. Aug 20 07:22:18 * timeless is confused Aug 20 07:22:21 i'm using https Aug 20 07:22:26 it's letting me try to edit the page Aug 20 07:22:36 but it has a 'log in' link at the top Aug 20 07:22:39 You can edit over https anonymously. Aug 20 07:22:52 * GeneralAntilles really wishes MediaWiki had an admin control panel. Aug 20 07:23:03 ok, that makes a load of sense Aug 20 07:23:05 * timeless shakes head Aug 20 07:23:32 * XTL wishes there was something that stopped people from using mediawiki. And php. Aug 20 07:23:42 and wikis! Aug 20 07:23:47 ok, i give up Aug 20 07:23:58 trying to find the previous version of a deled page is apparently hard Aug 20 07:25:28 timeless, OK, here's the issue. Anonymous edits over http show up as by "127.0.0.1" because of some proxy weirdness. Aug 20 07:25:45 So you can't ban IPs specifically Aug 20 07:26:03 which is problematic because you get spammers (who seem to come from the same IP often enough). Aug 20 07:26:30 The bug on that is a WONTFIX, so we're banning 127.0.0.1, which effectively bans all anonymous edits over http. Aug 20 07:26:48 You CAN edit anonymously over https, though, because we get a real IP for users doing that. Aug 20 07:27:10 Personally, I'm in favor of banning ALL anonymous edits, but there wasn't consensus for that when the discussion last came up. Aug 20 07:27:14 So here we are. Aug 20 07:27:32 https://wiki.maemo.org/Enabling_DUN_on_Windows_Mobile_5_and_6 Aug 20 07:27:46 you've kinda broken that page by deleting 1/3 of the links Aug 20 07:28:13 Yeah, I'm gonna delete that one too. Aug 20 07:28:24 or maybe you deleted 2/4 of the links? Aug 20 07:28:47 These are old itT wiki articles that andrewfblack has been kind enough to help migrate. Aug 20 07:28:54 Problem is, lots of them are terrible. :\ Aug 20 07:29:31 i hope he's not doing it by hand Aug 20 07:29:40 btw, is anyone going to kill the other wikis? Aug 20 07:29:48 so many wikis, so little valuable content Aug 20 07:30:05 The old midgard wiki is mostly a 770-relevant archive at this point Aug 20 07:30:26 I need to get with dneary to go through it, though, as a lot of its articles are colliding uselessly with newer articles. Aug 20 07:30:36 The itT wiki is up to Reggie Aug 20 07:30:42 Personally, I'd like to see it deleted. Aug 20 07:30:57 But the itT crowd is likely to lynch me if I suggest it again. Aug 20 07:31:00 midgard is a pretty neat name. I wonder if that scheme was kept up anywhere. Aug 20 07:31:03 heh Aug 20 07:31:33 and the 770 crowd will lynch me if I suggest deleting the midgard wiki again. Aug 20 07:31:47 lol Aug 20 07:32:06 So you'll have to have careful timing to get both requests out before the mob hits Aug 20 07:32:09 Just gotta try to mitigate their negative effect on the ease-of-access to relevant information. Aug 20 07:32:26 are the 770 wiki things r/w ? Aug 20 07:32:32 XTL, see if I can get them to kill eachother when they arrive here at the same time to kill me. Aug 20 07:32:33 because i keep hitting r/o wikis Aug 20 07:32:35 midgard is locked. Aug 20 07:32:37 which pisses me off Aug 20 07:32:42 the content sucks Aug 20 07:32:43 Which is funny for a wiki Aug 20 07:32:45 and i'd liek to fix it Aug 20 07:32:54 indeed Aug 20 07:33:05 (even my typos would be an improvement!) Aug 20 07:33:11 timeless, well, part of it is that we'd rather see any effort that might go there go into the mediawiki instead. Aug 20 07:33:31 can you tell google NoIndex? :) Aug 20 07:33:33 But we didn't consider deleting the old content seriously enough when the mediawiki was just migrated midgard content. Aug 20 07:33:42 timeless, can we? That'd help a lot. Aug 20 07:33:47 yeah Aug 20 07:33:50 a couple of ways Aug 20 07:33:56 one is w/ robots.txt Aug 20 07:34:04 another is w/ their site thingy Aug 20 07:34:07 i can't remember how it works Aug 20 07:34:22 Now that mediawiki actually has some useful content, some midgard pages need to be deleted. Aug 20 07:34:23 but probably Agent: * Disallow: /community/* Aug 20 07:34:35 or something like that Aug 20 07:34:45 Like I said, I'll be running through the list with dneary when he gets back from vacation. Aug 20 07:35:21 https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/docs/en/about.html Aug 20 07:35:26 Now I want to figure out what's actually happening with the maemo.org layout. Aug 20 07:35:50 So I can decide whether or not I want to try to fix the broken "maemo.org" mediawiki style. Aug 20 07:36:36 * GeneralAntilles bookmarks. Aug 20 07:37:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Midgard_wiki <- those are the pages that need attention Aug 20 07:40:15 timeless: that works for the bots who respect robots.txt Aug 20 07:40:21 other will ignore it Aug 20 07:42:12 I need more good overview pages like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/USB Aug 20 07:42:22 Somebody want to volunteer to do one for SSH or VNC? :) Aug 20 07:46:13 GA: i would be happy to ... just the overview stuff and links? Aug 20 07:46:41 moontiger, not a lot of useful SSH or VNC articles at the moment, but, yeah. Aug 20 07:47:15 This will likely be a good jumping off point: http://wiki.maemo.org/Access_a_linux_pc_desktop_from_an_Internet_Tablet_using_VNC_and_SSH Aug 20 07:48:22 ummmmm whats wrong with that page? Aug 20 07:50:14 i have to get some sleep now but i'll talk more with you tomorrow about it if thats ok? :) Aug 20 07:50:18 It's poorly formatted, poorly written, filled with lots of cruft information and generally poor quality. Aug 20 07:50:25 yeah, no rush. ;) Aug 20 07:50:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth Aug 20 07:50:41 Feel free to red-link pages which should exist. Aug 20 07:50:58 Morning, all Aug 20 07:51:30 Hey, Jaffa. Aug 20 07:54:28 lol: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3163#c1 Aug 20 08:01:15 <3 plenware Aug 20 08:02:19 * GAN800 wonders what, exactly, they're planning to release on Maemo. . . . Aug 20 08:02:30 s/release/unleash/ Aug 20 08:03:13 GeneralAntilles: maybe setup a 'Connectivity' meta page? wifi, usb, ssh, vnc, telnet, PChost, linuxhost... Aug 20 08:03:35 Category? Aug 20 08:03:38 lbt, also sounds like a pla, Aug 20 08:03:56 XTL, that _could_ be better. Aug 20 08:04:12 That's at least easier and more flexible Aug 20 08:04:13 Mediawiki also has those boxes, doesn't it Aug 20 08:04:20 If less descriptive. Aug 20 08:04:43 but it's front-page linkable... https://wiki.maemo.org/Connectivity Aug 20 08:04:58 and it's a wiki - move or delete it if it doesn't work :) Aug 20 08:05:17 GAN800: who/what are plenware? Aug 20 08:05:22 Category:Connectivity is also linkable. Aug 20 08:05:45 Jaffa__, some Finnish company that just opened an office in China. Aug 20 08:05:56 http://www.plenware.com Aug 20 08:06:08 Category:Connectivity won't have red links... Aug 20 08:06:35 lbt, true enough. Aug 20 08:06:51 Should it? Aug 20 08:07:04 I think categories are useful for seeing what there is, not what's missing. Aug 20 08:07:08 Just do both for now, I suppose. Aug 20 08:07:19 exactly - eventually convert them Aug 20 08:07:30 Of course a main conn page can be in the category :9 Aug 20 08:08:48 There might not be a neat way to get away from maintaining a list that can be inferred plus a list of what's missing. Aug 20 08:09:09 Getting these basic topics covered would really be helpful. Aug 20 08:09:19 Unless you make the connectivity page manually list missing topics and have a category box if those are available Aug 20 08:09:30 I hit USB pretty well yesterday Aug 20 08:09:41 https://wiki.maemo.org/Connectivity Aug 20 08:09:51 Bluetooth I just started on Aug 20 08:10:07 But it needs some real articles to link to. Aug 20 08:10:32 GAN800: I'm an architect - you need a developer ;) Aug 20 08:10:36 Bluetooth networking should be split into PAN and DUN. Aug 20 08:10:42 for any real work Aug 20 08:10:49 and cleaned up. Aug 20 08:11:08 Bluetooth keyboards needs a cleanup. Aug 20 08:11:27 Need a Bluetooth mice article Aug 20 08:11:39 Need more grunt workers. . . . Aug 20 08:13:17 army of peons Aug 20 08:13:40 "Work, work." Aug 20 08:14:33 rero Aug 20 08:14:44 OK - gotta feed the cats Aug 20 08:14:57 meow Aug 20 08:15:23 My car currently thinks she wants to go outside to talk to the opossum. Aug 20 08:15:24 * lbt throws GAN800 a biscuit Aug 20 08:17:28 Ours are probably taking the house apart now that the big cats are gone Aug 20 08:20:09 lbt: was just looking at that Logitech remote you told me about last night Aug 20 08:20:16 lbt: that's 399euros Aug 20 08:20:28 lbt: n8x0 + irreco gives you all that and more :) Aug 20 08:24:54 liri: not quite - the logitech (which is too expensive) is told what to display by the app Aug 20 08:25:16 irreco just throws commands at the client Aug 20 08:25:34 so it doesn't know what state the client is actually in Aug 20 08:25:48 kinda like pressing the power button n times Aug 20 08:25:53 is it on or off? Aug 20 08:25:59 yes Aug 20 08:26:22 it's not a cat Aug 20 08:26:45 on, clearly, as it's receiving ir commands. :P Aug 20 08:26:57 no - you're just sending them Aug 20 08:27:00 that's my point ;) Aug 20 08:27:14 actually it's been nicked Aug 20 08:27:33 bbiab Aug 20 08:29:30 * GAN800 ups the default scrollbar width up another few pixels. Aug 20 08:37:07 heh Aug 20 08:46:04 GAN800: did you also widen the scrollbar pixmap? Aug 20 08:46:11 (out of curiosity) Aug 20 08:47:36 konttori, way too lazy for that Aug 20 08:47:44 I may get around to it once I decide on a good width Aug 20 08:47:57 Right now, the arrows on either end are surrounded by whitespace Aug 20 08:48:06 and the bar itself is repeated on the right. Aug 20 08:48:18 Little wonky, but it works much better with my thumb Aug 20 08:48:22 I've been asked to add that as a property to theme maker. Aug 20 08:48:37 as in: scrollbar width/height Aug 20 08:48:39 and isn't nearly as oversized as those damn thumb scrollbars. Aug 20 08:48:57 hi Aug 20 08:49:09 konttori, Jaffa__ and Khertan were talking about a replacement Theme control panel to tweak stuff like that. Aug 20 08:49:11 yeah. I hear you. I also prefer to have the scrollbars about 2x wide as they are by default Aug 20 08:49:20 sounds like a good idea to me. Aug 20 08:49:31 otoh: then you also need to change the pixmaps anyway Aug 20 08:49:35 konttori: add also if you can the border size of the style osso-window-* Aug 20 08:49:41 but, I mean, on general, it sounds like a good idea Aug 20 08:50:10 At least the previous versions had the ability to toggle it to 2 pixels Aug 20 08:50:12 I can' Aug 20 08:50:16 * GeneralAntilles is slowly seeding plans to have all Nokia closed-source applets replacement by much higher-quality and more-usable open-source community solutions. Aug 20 08:50:21 generalantilles we talk about it Aug 20 08:50:23 t remember if that is working on the current version or not Aug 20 08:50:32 but i ve so many thing to do ... Aug 20 08:50:37 that nothing isn done Aug 20 08:50:43 I know the feeling Aug 20 08:50:48 Khertan_n810, I may be able to talk rm_you into putting it on his list. ;) Aug 20 08:50:54 which reminds me to get back to writing documentation Aug 20 08:51:16 has anyone else noticed that keypad on device lock could be bigger Aug 20 08:51:18 SInce he's gonna be doing a replacement for the Display control panel anyway. Aug 20 08:51:31 Yes, wiza, there's even a bug for it. ;) Aug 20 08:51:33 why not Aug 20 08:51:53 GeneralAntilles: good :) Aug 20 08:52:52 GeneralAntilles: which bug, is someone working on it or...? Aug 20 08:53:08 wiza, search for it, I don't remember the number off-hand Aug 20 08:53:13 huhu google has just blocked my calendar account Aug 20 08:53:15 It has no @nokia activity. Aug 20 08:53:47 maybe they don t like multiple access to their api Aug 20 08:54:00 100 concurrent request :) Aug 20 08:55:49 lol Khertan Aug 20 08:57:01 they just ask for captcha ... Aug 20 08:57:24 but i still waiting unlock Aug 20 08:58:25 is it me or listening audio drain battery fast ? Aug 20 10:02:26 http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/08/20/linux-on-arm/ Aug 20 10:09:54 Has anyone thought of making a non-candy music player like mpd work on the nit? Aug 20 10:10:28 kilikali is non-candy Aug 20 10:10:32 I expect the decoding is what eats battery, but at least you could make it just do that and not race with a ui Aug 20 10:10:52 kulve: Doesn't sound that promising... Aug 20 10:11:57 Well, that's not too bad. Aug 20 10:13:29 XTL: There are a number of mpd clients, at least Aug 20 10:32:45 I think I just went barking mad Aug 20 10:33:06 My clothing disappeared Aug 20 10:44:04 JUST went? :P Aug 20 10:44:50 * GeneralAntilles continues sewing a flag out of a large pile of clothing. Aug 20 10:48:06 Is this flag also a part of maemo branding? =) Aug 20 10:49:28 Only when I sent a team of ninjas around the summit with branding irons with the flag on them. Aug 20 11:33:28 ok Aug 20 11:33:29 that's it Aug 20 11:33:31 I lost it Aug 20 11:33:44 the landlord came in, and I mentioned I lost my trousers and shirt Aug 20 11:33:48 we start looking everywhere Aug 20 11:33:56 literally, everywhere Aug 20 11:34:26 kitchen, laundryroom, common room, he's about to open the other rooms from the other tenants to check Aug 20 11:34:41 we go check one last time in my bedroom (and there's isn't a lot to hide there) Aug 20 11:35:05 I pull the covers off, and we find the trousers and shirt neatly folded under a pillow Aug 20 11:35:17 I have no fucking idea how it got there Aug 20 11:37:51 crashanddie: maybe someone had to take the current Matrix from the backup tape, then rewind a bit and play again... Aug 20 11:38:17 "You know when you're at a big party, at the end of it everybody's asleep, the bloke who's on speed is always hoovering" Aug 20 11:38:38 yeah, but the thing is, at any point in time, my clothes never got anywhere near the damned pillow Aug 20 11:55:57 kulve: hm, that a new Maemo base or? Aug 20 11:56:36 kulve: looks darn interesting though Aug 20 11:57:14 Stskeeps: not maemo based Aug 20 11:57:38 I guess it's more for developing that using.. Definitely not for end users.. Aug 20 12:00:04 ah, i just recognized your name from somewhere, thought it was nokia :) you might be interested in my bootmenu patch that adds ability for multiboot to have a /linuxrc that is executed instead of initfs's changes. I use it in Deblet myself to avoid initfs fuckery :) http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22705 Aug 20 12:02:33 it gets rid of the need to have initfs rm stuff on your partition, but still makes you able to talk to dsme and such Aug 20 12:08:22 I just got my n810 today.. whats the preferred way to play around in its shell? Use a terminal window on the n810, or install openssh and ssh into it from a deaktop? Aug 20 12:09:29 depends on if you're a machocist or not Aug 20 12:09:40 i like ssh from a desktop since i dont like the keyboard :P Aug 20 12:10:17 :) ok Aug 20 12:10:52 I guess its hard working with that little keyboard in a shell Aug 20 12:11:02 do you have an external keyboard for the n810 too? Aug 20 12:11:08 kulve: we also have patches in Deblet for WPA/WEP encryption support, if you use the properitary umac atleast Aug 20 12:11:15 for cx3110x Aug 20 12:11:21 i got NetworkManager with mine Aug 20 12:11:26 +working Aug 20 12:11:41 (with WPA/WPA2 etc) Aug 20 12:12:14 usicow: definitely ssh Aug 20 12:12:29 not having pipe is a pain Aug 20 12:17:15 ok cool.. just flashing it to OS 2008 first, and then I'll install openssh-server Aug 20 12:23:38 hello world Aug 20 12:23:48 has anyone here ever had ctrl-a in the browser location bar not work? Aug 20 12:24:18 egypt: try the british keylayout? Aug 20 12:24:24 or is this the n810 hardware Aug 20 12:24:36 because the software vkb layouts are distinct for US/GB Aug 20 12:29:38 Stskeeps: I'm very interested in those. Aug 20 12:30:06 IS there a PHP distro for maemo, to be exact an Apache PHP plugin? I have the Apache distro but its missing PHP Aug 20 12:30:20 kulve: lemme just dig it up.. sec Aug 20 12:32:54 Im trying to update to OS2008, but in the update wizard thing it says 'device not found'.. windows does see it though - I can browse the internal memory card.. any ideas whats going on? Aug 20 12:33:12 I can see the USB logo Aug 20 12:33:29 kulve: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/dependancies/2.6.21-omap1/cx3110x.ko is the binary, you can test with this i guess, i'll try to see if i can find the source patches Aug 20 12:34:39 HI I am using sqlite3_open (DB, &db); when I try to wright something on run time it gives error message like "Can't execute: attempt to write a readonly database" How to resolve this problem ? Aug 20 12:34:47 HI all, For above problem I found solution of using sqlite3_open_v2(") which take SQLITE_OPEN_READWRITE flag but on maemo platform it says undefined. Aug 20 12:37:34 kulve: deblet-cx3110x.patch Aug 20 12:37:35 er Aug 20 12:38:00 kulve: http://bsd.tspre.org/~stskeeps/nit2/f/deblet-cx3110x.patch Aug 20 12:38:08 i think this is the one, no warranties though Aug 20 12:38:13 looks like the correct one so Aug 20 12:51:12 Stskeeps: thanks Aug 20 12:52:56 hi, is there support for decibel on maemo dev Aug 20 12:54:11 kulve: your audio works fully in kaze? we might borrow that solution then since that's what we're missing :) Aug 20 13:00:23 Stskeeps: well, not sure about the "fully" part, but at least the normal playback seemed to work Aug 20 13:01:50 somebody write a nice robotron clone Aug 20 13:04:11 hello Aug 20 13:04:53 anyone here can help me with a Maemo legacy question? what media indexer is on the Nokia images? Aug 20 13:32:33 is this what I should install for a termianl on the n810? osso-xterm - X Terminal Emulator for OS2008 Aug 20 13:32:56 terminal is installed by default? Aug 20 13:33:06 oh Aug 20 13:33:31 ahh I see it.. cool thanks Aug 20 13:33:39 I hate being a noob :) Aug 20 13:33:57 don't worry, we wont laugh at you (too much) Aug 20 13:34:17 hehe Aug 20 13:34:51 ive totally forgotten what i came online for, ahhh well ill remember later Aug 20 13:37:05 I just installed bash2 via ssh into my n810, but in the middle of it a dialog box opened on the n810 saying that I have to issue the command bash-config to make it the default and stuff.. is there a way I can stop stuff like happening if Im ssh'ed in? Cause maybe I dont have physical access to my n810 at that time :) Aug 20 13:51:11 using sftp and 802.11g network I should be able to get more than 200k/s uploading to the n810 right? Aug 20 13:54:23 hi usicow Aug 20 13:54:55 hey Aug 20 13:54:58 never tried bash2 Aug 20 13:55:22 ok, no worries Aug 20 13:55:34 but some packages require you to click on dialog boxes Aug 20 13:55:42 not possible to do everything via ssh Aug 20 13:55:47 vnc works though Aug 20 13:55:50 shame.. but I think I can live with that :) Aug 20 13:55:55 oh thats a good idea.. I'll install vnc Aug 20 13:56:04 also if you develop for the tablet Aug 20 13:56:21 or just want to use it from your desktop - you can install synergy to control the tablet with your pc kbd/mouse Aug 20 13:56:51 makes typing on the tablet quite convenient Aug 20 13:56:51 yeah I read about that.. you think that works pretty well? Aug 20 13:58:42 i wouldn't miss it Aug 20 13:58:52 ah, ok Aug 20 13:59:43 I got another question.. I just uploaded some mp3's via sftp into the directory /root, but I cant find where they went on the n810 if I use the file manager :) where did they go? Aug 20 14:02:56 eh the file manager is not made for people like me Aug 20 14:03:14 it hides stuff... that makes me chuck things at a wall Aug 20 14:03:44 speaking of which, that's a good project - replacement filemanager and open dialog boxes Aug 20 14:03:58 yeah,.. I can see :) Aug 20 14:04:04 usicow: ssh into root and ls /root Aug 20 14:04:37 pupnik: yeah thats what I ended up doing.. I just wont make the mistake on uploading to /root again :) Aug 20 14:04:50 I just mv'ed them to /home/user Aug 20 14:04:58 yeah :( or MyDocs Aug 20 14:05:04 k Aug 20 14:05:08 i symlinked MyDocs to my MMC card Aug 20 14:05:28 that way i can store big crap and see it easily in filemanager / open dialogs Aug 20 14:05:38 got ya Aug 20 14:05:50 right in Video, Audio whatever Aug 20 14:13:32 hi ... Aug 20 14:16:10 hi Khertan Aug 20 14:29:56 anyone want to beta test a small app ? And tell me what they think of it ? Aug 20 14:30:15 You'll need to install wget/libxml++/libsdl_ttf Aug 20 14:31:57 crashanddie > what does it do ? Aug 20 14:32:46 it retrieves an XML file that is compiled every 10 minutes, containing tags about the latest news stories, and displays those. At the moment it's just about testing SDL, and the panning Aug 20 14:33:05 later on, you'll be able to view the stories related to a given tag Aug 20 14:33:22 Basically, RSS on steroids Aug 20 14:33:30 lol Aug 20 14:34:27 pupnik: I can see vncviewer available via apt-cache search, but not the server.. can I run vnc server on the n810? Aug 20 14:34:46 no one wanna try it ? :( Aug 20 14:35:14 RAHHHH ! i understand why i get error 400 in sync ! Aug 20 14:35:31 google id isn't permanent ! Aug 20 14:35:33 huhu Aug 20 14:35:35 great idea Aug 20 14:35:41 c'mon GeneralAntilles you're not doing anything anyway, give it a go :P Aug 20 14:36:00 crashanddie: sorry, Im just setting my new n810 up. Aug 20 14:36:06 no problem :) Aug 20 14:36:20 I'm out to get some fags anyway, bbl Aug 20 14:36:20 i just realized that I get laid less often than i reboot computers Aug 20 14:36:48 pupnik, which means you you're a well paid person Aug 20 14:36:59 crashanddie: please stop doing that Aug 20 14:37:03 doing what ? Aug 20 14:37:15 * RST38h shudders every time the word is used in its british meaning Aug 20 14:37:24 =) Aug 20 14:37:27 lol Aug 20 14:37:40 well, I'm talking the right language Aug 20 14:37:47 true Aug 20 14:37:58 this is very, very wrong Aug 20 14:38:08 not that slang should be considered part of the "right language" Aug 20 14:38:25 bbiab Aug 20 14:39:22 hm Aug 20 14:41:22 ~lart VT Aug 20 14:41:22 * infobot stuffs VT into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it Aug 20 14:46:46 Hey Aug 20 14:50:36 lol Aug 20 14:50:36 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/ Aug 20 14:50:43 non-free!? Aug 20 14:50:45 I just got an error 'not enough memory in target location' when isntalling rdesktop.. why would that be? Aug 20 14:51:27 hi pupnik Aug 20 14:52:45 usicow how much free memory do you have on your tablet? Aug 20 14:53:09 AndrewFBlack: if I use the df command I can see the / is 99% full Aug 20 14:53:37 is that the problem? Aug 20 14:53:55 <||cw> yup Aug 20 14:54:55 usicow that would be it Aug 20 14:55:03 hmm ok.. the only thing I put on there was 88MB of mp3's though into /home/users/MyDocs Aug 20 14:55:24 you installed a lot of programs? Aug 20 14:55:42 AndrewFBlack: nah, not at all.. just bash2 I think,.. oh and skype Aug 20 14:56:08 Italodance, canola2 isn't open source Aug 20 14:56:34 usicow, the root filesystem is 128Mb Aug 20 14:56:54 usicow yeah the 88mb is alot I would move them to a card Aug 20 14:56:55 usicow, n800 or n810 ? Aug 20 14:57:02 its an n810 Aug 20 14:57:12 usicow, move them to the internal memory card then Aug 20 14:58:52 ok.. Im relativly new to linux, but how can I tell what partition /home/users is on? Aug 20 14:59:01 /home/user rather Aug 20 14:59:13 cause thats where I had put the mp3's Aug 20 14:59:21 crashanddi do u have this new version? Aug 20 14:59:31 Italodance, nope Aug 20 15:00:23 usicow, well / is mounted on /dev/mtdblock4, so everything under it (and which is not specified in the mount table) will be mounted there Aug 20 15:00:34 usicow, so, considering /home is under /, well... Aug 20 15:01:08 usicow you should do an apt-get clean I've notice that the apt archive dir was using all my hd space Aug 20 15:01:20 crashanddie: ahh Aug 20 15:01:31 yeah, or just rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb Aug 20 15:01:33 SjB: ok I'll do that. Aug 20 15:01:40 hi all Aug 20 15:01:50 what's the easiest way to rotate the screen....? Aug 20 15:01:55 does it even work? Aug 20 15:01:58 yes it does Aug 20 15:02:05 i saw something about xrandr Aug 20 15:02:11 and tried to install sliderotate Aug 20 15:02:17 but it said it couldn't find xrandr Aug 20 15:02:24 cbx333, you running diablo or chinook Aug 20 15:02:25 ? Aug 20 15:02:31 chinook I think Aug 20 15:02:35 how can I tell Aug 20 15:02:52 it's been a while since I last flashed Aug 20 15:02:55 with the root file system being so small doesnt everyone complain that they cant install all the programs they want? Aug 20 15:03:03 maybe Ishould upgrade Aug 20 15:03:15 crashanddie: ? Aug 20 15:03:31 cbx333, well, I only tried it on diablo, and it was pretty straightforward Aug 20 15:03:37 I don't know if a lot changes under chinook Aug 20 15:03:45 hmmm Aug 20 15:03:47 ok Aug 20 15:03:53 I'll try and get diablo tonight Aug 20 15:03:56 usicow, it is possible to install the rootfs on an external memory card Aug 20 15:04:01 * cbx333 starts a backup Aug 20 15:04:35 cbx333, http://sse2.net/rotate/ Aug 20 15:04:54 cbx333, note the link under the "Update" section, which points to the how-to for diablo Aug 20 15:05:42 crashanddie: do people do that? Or is that bad for performance or something? Aug 20 15:05:58 usicow, quite some people did/do it Aug 20 15:05:58 crashanddie: and that's the latest kernel? Aug 20 15:06:38 usicow, but it makes sense to do it on a external memory card (not the internal one), as you can change the external one, if something goes wrong (corrupt card, worn out, whatever) Aug 20 15:06:58 crashanddie: I see ok. Aug 20 15:07:12 50% backed up Aug 20 15:07:13 :D Aug 20 15:07:13 cbx333, I followed the instructions for diablo, used the files that were provided, didn't have any problem Aug 20 15:10:06 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/advanced-backlight/ Aug 20 15:10:11 presumably you still need xrandr Aug 20 15:11:49 cbx333, yes, advanced backlight only provides an easy to use interface when you have installed support for it Aug 20 15:12:58 ok Aug 20 15:13:55 Im not sure what happened, but now when I go to Catalogues in the application manager its blank :( how can I get back the default catalogues? Aug 20 15:19:01 damn.. it was because my root partition was full again Aug 20 15:37:15 is there a nice way to see how much CPU is being used? Aug 20 15:40:38 usicow loadapplet shows cpu usage Aug 20 15:50:15 * Khertan_n810 still doesn t understand why he get reset by peer error from gdata while retrieving only one evzent ! Aug 20 15:50:33 peer hates you! Aug 20 15:51:05 this is like this 400 error which occur sometime Aug 20 15:51:17 and same request work 30s later Aug 20 15:51:57 Meanwhile, Motorola cluster fuck continues... Aug 20 15:52:05 does gdata is still in beta Aug 20 15:52:16 ? Aug 20 15:53:55 1570: GtkWarning: gtk_widget_size_allocate(): attempt to allocate widget with width 720 and height -9 Aug 20 15:53:57 huhu Aug 20 15:57:49 Hi there Aug 20 15:58:18 hi gnuton Aug 20 15:59:08 Hey Khertan_n810 :) Aug 20 16:47:49 hi how can I get some CLI for maemo Aug 20 16:48:05 I am looking for tools such as wget Aug 20 16:48:50 apt-get install wget Aug 20 16:49:34 anyone here? Aug 20 16:49:56 * johnx is here Aug 20 16:49:56 i m back Aug 20 16:49:56 Err http://repository.maemo.org diablo/free wget 1.10.2-2osso2 Aug 20 16:49:56 Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Aug 20 16:49:56 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso2_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org' Aug 20 16:49:56 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Aug 20 16:50:21 JZA: under sb ? Aug 20 16:50:27 JZA, "works for me" (tm) Aug 20 16:50:33 lol Aug 20 16:50:40 Khertan_n810: sb? Aug 20 16:50:47 sb = scratchbox Aug 20 16:50:49 scratchbox Aug 20 16:50:57 no I have diablo 4.0.1 Aug 20 16:51:17 so pray a bit much and try again Aug 20 16:51:29 can you ping google.com? Aug 20 16:51:34 yeah Aug 20 16:51:50 and can you reach repository.maemo.org from your desktop? Aug 20 16:51:54 ok is working now Aug 20 16:52:06 * Khertan_n810 pray that his sync will finish in reset by peer error Aug 20 16:52:12 I guess that's why it's a "Temporary failure" :) Aug 20 16:52:40 btw any IRC client for diablo Aug 20 16:52:46 dude Aug 20 16:52:47 xchat didn't make it to diablo Aug 20 16:52:48 xchat is in maemo extras Aug 20 16:52:48 !google Aug 20 16:52:49 neither pidign Aug 20 16:52:57 JZA, of course they did Aug 20 16:53:04 * johnx uses xchat on his n800 Aug 20 16:53:17 and I use pidgin/xchat on my n810 Aug 20 16:53:20 I used xchat on n800 for chinook Aug 20 16:53:26 but there is no 2008 version Aug 20 16:53:39 JZA, diablo AND chinook == 2008 Aug 20 16:53:47 2007 then Aug 20 16:53:55 JZA, and most chinook packages are compatible with diablo Aug 20 16:54:06 ok let me try Aug 20 16:54:14 JZA, like I said, google Aug 20 16:54:24 xchat is in the diablo extras repository Aug 20 16:56:03 i use it currently :) Aug 20 16:56:37 ok this is odd my sources.list are empty Aug 20 16:56:52 .d Aug 20 16:57:03 maemo is not debian. :) your repos are under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ Aug 20 16:57:20 debian use .d too Aug 20 16:57:42 it puts base stuff in sources.list though Aug 20 16:58:27 * Stskeeps plays with his semi-gui deblet installer Aug 20 16:58:41 noone have the time to help me to make a better gui for mcontacts ? Aug 20 16:58:57 * johnx catches up on the news after having been AFK for 48 hours Aug 20 17:00:07 johnx: i'm putting out a "please beta test my now more easy installer" post in some hours when i've tested i can install fully :P I made a "Install Deblet" icon that runs roxterm and uses zenity for many questions :P Aug 20 17:00:29 very cool Aug 20 17:00:39 I have a working install now with lxde and it's quite fast Aug 20 17:00:42 I even use gdm Aug 20 17:01:00 memory usage is only a couple percent and it can be swapped out easily I bet Aug 20 17:01:06 also regarding sound, Kaze (some other armel dist for n800) had some stuff that might work - i added hint to Deblet has no sound thread Aug 20 17:01:16 khertan_n810 I got the time if you teach me how lol Aug 20 17:01:36 ui design is something you can do with a piece of paper and a pen (or liqbase) Aug 20 17:01:57 Well yeah I can design it but I cna't make it Aug 20 17:02:16 johnx: also with the new introduction of "linuxrc"'s into boot menu, it's possible to make things like "boot into ext2 image file" :> Aug 20 17:02:32 which is darned slow but neat Aug 20 17:02:59 How do i change the default application for opening video files? Aug 20 17:02:59 Stskeeps, then we can just ship a prepared image...like before :P Aug 20 17:03:20 zethero1, not all that easily. lookup dbus-switchboard Aug 20 17:03:32 johnx: i plan to have "Install onto a file on your MMC" Aug 20 17:03:33 AndrewFBBlack: i just need a glade file Aug 20 17:03:59 Khertan so I installed the Extra repo from here but still cant find xchat Aug 20 17:04:01 http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras Aug 20 17:05:06 neither apt-cache search xchat helped Aug 20 17:05:13 Anyone? Aug 20 17:05:17 can u provide the URI of the Extra repo? Aug 20 17:05:21 search will only search within your setup repos Aug 20 17:05:50 i dont know which repo its in, i installed it months ago from an old deb i found Aug 20 17:06:01 right, I thought I just enabled the Extra repo on that site Aug 20 17:06:09 zethero1, look at dbus-switchboard Aug 20 17:06:16 lcuk: so it wasn't a diablo package? Aug 20 17:06:34 ok that might change things Aug 20 17:06:36 no, at the time it was a chinook beta test thing Aug 20 17:06:50 JZA, It might be in extras-devel or something Aug 20 17:06:59 but i heard it got put into some maemo extras repo or another Aug 20 17:07:09 Khertan_810 I'm willing to help if you want me to Aug 20 17:07:30 extras-devel Aug 20 17:07:31 JZA, yeah extras-devel Aug 20 17:07:50 JZA, also use this to search for things: xchat site:repository.maemo.org Aug 20 17:08:13 AndrewFBlack: do u know how to use glade ? Aug 20 17:09:12 Khertan_n810 I've never used it before but I think I will pick it up easly Aug 20 17:09:22 :) Aug 20 17:09:36 does nokia n810 have 2d acceleration? Aug 20 17:09:54 yep ... not very difficult ... but a little boring to use ... and to make great looking gui Aug 20 17:09:55 Ghjme, the nokia n810 has 2d AND 3d de-acceleration Aug 20 17:10:13 but no driver yet :) Aug 20 17:10:25 ok that worked Aug 20 17:10:26 oh Aug 20 17:10:56 I've made some UI before beleave it or not anything I cna do at work I consider fun lol Aug 20 17:10:58 there is to simplify the same 3d processor than in the iphone at a lower frequency Aug 20 17:11:43 AndrewFBlack: can i send you the current glade file by mail ? Aug 20 17:11:46 is the ui speed decent? Aug 20 17:11:57 yeah andrewfblack@gmail.com Aug 20 17:12:34 Ghjme, it depends on the app. overall it's ok, but not "really fast" Aug 20 17:12:56 ok Aug 20 17:13:49 Ghjme, was there any app you had in mind? Aug 20 17:14:08 what abotu pidgin? I can't see pidign on extras or extra-devel Aug 20 17:14:20 Khertan_n810 any certain look your going for? Aug 20 17:14:30 johnx: no not any specific Aug 20 17:14:43 something that can be use without stylus :) Aug 20 17:15:21 JZA, I guess it's only available in the chinook extras repo Aug 20 17:15:39 johnx would it run on diablo? Aug 20 17:15:47 I only got this repo http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/3.2/free/p/pidgin/ Aug 20 17:15:51 JZA, I would assume so Aug 20 17:16:03 JZA, look further down :) Aug 20 17:16:04 khertan_810 ok send it over when you get a chance and I'll take a look at it tonight Aug 20 17:16:16 right but this is 3.2 not 4.x Aug 20 17:16:30 JZA, look. further. down. the. page. Aug 20 17:16:40 johnx: looks kinda complex ... But thanks for the heads up Aug 20 17:17:44 AndrewFBlack: mail sent. thanks for your help Aug 20 17:18:06 no problem I'll give it a try. Aug 20 17:18:22 i ve send you the entire project Aug 20 17:18:34 ok Aug 20 17:18:34 there is also the python code Aug 20 17:18:48 johnx: you bored to check an .install file for diablo that i'm not sure works? (it doesn't -actually- install bootmenu and deblet, but it installs the installers for them) Aug 20 17:18:55 but if you change ui it ll crash Aug 20 17:19:14 ok Aug 20 17:19:17 Stskeeps, heh. I just booted to debian to work on sound :) Aug 20 17:19:18 Is it possible to watch video over the network? Aug 20 17:19:34 and don t sync twice time ... it will wipe many informations of your gmail contacts Aug 20 17:19:36 :) Aug 20 17:19:39 http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org Aug 20 17:19:51 johnx: hehe, alright :) Aug 20 17:20:04 lol ok good to know Aug 20 17:20:11 :) Aug 20 17:20:29 i wipped mine test account Aug 20 17:21:04 hum mcalendar can now sync multiple calendar :) Aug 20 17:21:11 sweet Aug 20 17:21:22 you started work on mtasts yet? Aug 20 17:21:24 just need to do more test Aug 20 17:21:31 mtasks Aug 20 17:21:34 tastes ? :) Aug 20 17:21:42 mtasks already exists Aug 20 17:21:47 lol ok Aug 20 17:22:04 but not very goof Aug 20 17:22:06 good Aug 20 17:22:06 and no sync Aug 20 17:22:10 as there isn't google tasks Aug 20 17:22:33 could you sync mTasks with google Notebook? Aug 20 17:22:55 nope ... no end date, no status Aug 20 17:23:02 on google notebook Aug 20 17:23:24 how about a mNotes then :) Aug 20 17:23:28 but i ll make later a google mNotes Aug 20 17:23:30 :) Aug 20 17:23:43 hi :) Aug 20 17:24:00 hi Aug 20 17:24:03 what would be real nice is something to sync my Google Docs Aug 20 17:24:18 hum ... Aug 20 17:24:31 there isn t editor for document yet Aug 20 17:24:40 so this will be hard to do :) Aug 20 17:25:11 and from what i ve see syncing google docs is painful Aug 20 17:25:21 yeah I would think it is Aug 20 17:25:29 as you can t keep category Aug 20 17:25:46 you can email documents between it from what i understand Aug 20 17:25:46 otherwhile i could make the sync in a folder Aug 20 17:26:05 To tell the truth on documents I would be happy with 1 way sync to the tablet just for viewing Aug 20 17:26:14 with subfolder for category Aug 20 17:27:12 icuk yeah you can email them in I've done it before Aug 20 17:28:45 AndrewFBlack, i dont know how you managed it, but you managed to find a variation on my nick thats actually harder to say than my proper one Aug 20 17:29:28 lol Aug 20 17:29:35 lcuk I'm just that good Aug 20 17:29:43 i see u k ! Aug 20 17:29:46 :) Aug 20 17:32:42 Somebody want to find the old bug and dupe this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3617 Aug 20 17:33:26 Hi bergie! :) Aug 20 17:33:55 hi Aug 20 17:34:01 I'm just popping in for a moment between swordfighting practice and some beer :-) Aug 20 17:34:59 bergie, just as long as you never do that in a different order :) Aug 20 17:35:11 rarely, rarely Aug 20 17:36:28 GAN800: #2051 Aug 20 17:36:46 Ahaaaa, thanks! Aug 20 17:37:04 * GAN800 gets really lazy when he's on the tablet. Aug 20 17:37:38 but i ll not edit it ... i m on tablet too Aug 20 17:38:18 GAN800: there is a bugzilla ui for the tablet ? or it s not maintain Aug 20 17:38:30 Mabugz Aug 20 17:38:53 I've found that all bugzilla clients just plain suck Aug 20 17:39:10 file a bug Aug 20 17:40:14 lol Aug 20 17:40:39 not worse than using microb Aug 20 17:41:22 lol, the KDE guys are already filing bugs. Aug 20 17:41:47 They need to learn how to upgrade, judging by some version numbers. Aug 20 17:41:49 bug for what ? Aug 20 17:41:55 arf Aug 20 17:42:03 kde guys :) Aug 20 17:42:06 Khertan, WAAAAY worse than using MicroB. Aug 20 17:43:44 gan: where are the bugs? Aug 20 17:44:42 heh, it's apparent that the kde people have gotten n810s.. they're blogging about it on galaxy.osnews.com which i follow Aug 20 17:44:45 :P Aug 20 17:46:05 timless, #3617 for one. Aug 20 17:46:09 hum ... not a good idea Aug 20 17:46:14 There are a couple others. Aug 20 17:46:26 to be fair, there was a lot of good written in Qt for various zauruses Aug 20 17:46:27 Stskeeps, they were given freebies last week Aug 20 17:46:48 Man, I'm a 'technological primma donna' now. Aug 20 17:47:35 real hackers buy the tablets themselves, fall in love, and hack on them all day Aug 20 17:47:37 :> Aug 20 17:47:48 GAN800, primma? whoever called you that is a createev spellerer Aug 20 17:48:02 anyone with Diablo wanting to do me a favour ? Aug 20 17:48:10 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=215720 Aug 20 17:48:18 Awesome thread, btw. Aug 20 17:48:46 GAN800, will I regret this? Aug 20 17:49:07 johnx, it's pretty hilarious. Aug 20 17:49:07 the wet slot one? Aug 20 17:49:18 johnx > the zaurus ui is ... horrible Aug 20 17:49:22 ah, or that one Aug 20 17:49:30 No, the 'I'm Black and I need Help' one Aug 20 17:49:41 lol Aug 20 17:49:43 Khertan, not the UI in general, but some of the nice Qt apps Aug 20 17:50:01 I'll rephrase that: I need someone with diablo, I'll give him a cookie and buy him a beer at the Summit Aug 20 17:50:25 dammit Aug 20 17:50:29 hehehe Aug 20 17:50:34 I just disqualified everyone who doesn't come to the summit Aug 20 17:50:45 crashanddie: sure, what favour? :) Aug 20 17:50:53 I might do you a 'favor'. :P Aug 20 17:51:05 GAN800, stfu you redneck Aug 20 17:51:39 dannym, apt-get install wget libxml++2.6c2a libsdl-ttf2.0-0 Aug 20 17:51:45 (on the tablet, of course) Aug 20 17:51:52 god.. debootstrap and huge apt-get is possible worse than watching XP install Aug 20 17:52:00 crashanddie, stfu you drug addict. :P Aug 20 17:52:21 and then: wget http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/cloudreader && wget http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/adler.ttf && chmod +x cloudreader Aug 20 17:52:22 I don't know who posted under a fake name on that I'm black and need help thread but they need some balls I disagree with people all the time and get flamed prob more then most people and I always use my login Aug 20 17:52:43 disqualified for what ? Aug 20 17:53:19 AndrewFBlack: do like me ... don t feed the troll Aug 20 17:53:36 so .... bye Aug 20 17:53:51 which troll the want to be black one or the one who posted under fake name :) Aug 20 17:54:05 GAN800, the funny part was when they invoked your name in the one thread you *didn't* post in Aug 20 17:55:05 johnx, plus the irony of bitching about having to search in a thread where every bit of information the guy could want is right there. Aug 20 17:55:42 some people are really just completely search impaired. they look at a blank search form and they just freeze up Aug 20 17:55:46 I'm moving more and more towards just abandoning that hellhole for good. Aug 20 17:55:47 I don't know what it is... Aug 20 17:55:52 I think we should ask Reggie to compare Ips and see who posted under a dummy account Aug 20 17:56:27 GA if you leave who am I going to talk shit about all the time :) Aug 20 17:56:36 GAN800, you need to let some threads go. They'll either figure it out on their own or not. no need to worry about it. if no one posts it will just drop off the front page and they'll figure it out or not Aug 20 17:56:50 When innocent comments get 'ur uh d-bag!', it's time to move on. Aug 20 17:57:28 At least on other forums I have other d-bags to duke it out with. Aug 20 17:57:50 But fighting with idiots is neither interesting nor enjoyable. Aug 20 17:58:24 the people with half a clue don't care enough to fight Aug 20 17:58:28 i just enjoy the Alternative forums, they are pretty much quiet :P Aug 20 17:58:29 dannym, ? Aug 20 17:58:39 I'm offened GA doesn't concider me a d-bag with him Aug 20 17:59:13 GAN800, we could stage a big fight. :D see how many people back each of us without knowing what we're fighting about :) Aug 20 17:59:33 If you want to see truely epic d-baggery, check out 'thomm' on the AmbrosiaSW forum for Redline. Aug 20 18:00:17 lol johnx that would be funny as hell Aug 20 18:00:31 what's so funny about hell ? Aug 20 18:01:11 crashanddie, clowns Aug 20 18:01:45 O RLY ? Aug 20 18:02:02 crashanddie, strue Aug 20 18:02:23 The big arguments are the best. Aug 20 18:02:36 anyone have experience setting up a applic package have time for a few questions on the process Aug 20 18:02:47 Thanks!-whoring is never better than when the flames are highest. ;) Aug 20 18:04:22 Is using Ubuntu or just vanilla Debian better? Aug 20 18:04:39 GAN800 is an alien who fuels off trolls and flamewars Aug 20 18:04:46 roadies, define:better Aug 20 18:05:11 itT has never seen a good flameware Aug 20 18:05:15 war Aug 20 18:05:37 hםw come pyano isn't in my repos? Aug 20 18:05:38 that's because I'm not on it regularly Aug 20 18:05:45 is it sוpposed to be on chinook or diablo? Aug 20 18:06:14 I'm porting a applic over to a n810 (apache with php), I have the maemo devel environ working on my Fedora but I think I need to use a debian distro to get it to the n810 Aug 20 18:07:05 liri, because Aisu hasn't pushed it. Aug 20 18:07:34 so I need to build a system, which on is easier Ubuntu or Debian and if Ubuntu will I run into the same problem with the packaging process Aug 20 18:07:48 GAN800: he really should :) Aug 20 18:08:08 what are your current problems with the packaging process. you should be able to do it inside scratchbox... Aug 20 18:09:18 johnx: page 451 of the refer manual says to "tar xvfz" the run a deb process against the tar file, Fedora does rpm not deb stuff. Aug 20 18:09:47 and the n810 doesnt have a tar supporting "z" compress Aug 20 18:10:10 tar cvzf - files |gzip >target Aug 20 18:10:22 sorry, you want uncompress... Aug 20 18:10:23 roadies, hang on a sec and I'll read the page, but you should be able to do packaging inside scratchbox Aug 20 18:10:24 dannym, any news man ? Aug 20 18:10:27 whats the webcomic reader app called again, anyone? Aug 20 18:10:31 then gzcat source.tgz |tar xvf - Aug 20 18:10:32 dannym, PM me, I'm off to eat something Aug 20 18:12:38 crashanddie: installing :) Aug 20 18:12:43 crashanddie: okay Aug 20 18:12:48 crashhanddie: the other issue is I can compile everything just great in the DIABLO_X86 environment but not in the DIABL0_ARM environ....aka... "make install fails" dont I need to do that to port to the n810? Aug 20 18:12:53 dannym, well, now I'm still here Aug 20 18:13:12 wtf you talking to me for roadies ? Aug 20 18:13:38 CptLaptop: just a regular image viewer? Aug 20 18:14:09 roadies, You should probably try to install all the compilation tools you installed under X86 on DIABLO_ARM too, as they don't share the same installed package list Aug 20 18:14:16 I dont cause I type the wrong name....I am very sorry...... meant to direct to johnx Aug 20 18:14:47 lol... From johnx to crashanddie, quite a leap my friend ;) Aug 20 18:15:13 crashhanddie...its been a long long day... Aug 20 18:15:15 roadies, try putting the actual error messages on pastebin...there's lots of things that can fail :) Aug 20 18:15:17 *sign* Aug 20 18:15:26 * johnx knows about long days O_o Aug 20 18:15:35 roadies, try typing "cra" and then hitting the tab key on your keyboard Aug 20 18:15:38 roadies, page 451 of which manual? Aug 20 18:17:04 dannym, you're killing me :P Aug 20 18:18:36 Johnx: Maemo_Diablo_reference_manual_for_maemo_4.1.pdf off the maemo webpage Aug 20 18:18:58 crashanddie: (libsigc+-2.0-0c2a, libglibmm-2.4-1c2a and libxml++2.6c2a are unsigned it says... I'm overriding it) Aug 20 18:19:45 crashanddie: yeah well, my internet connection isn't exactly fast... best grab something to eat, it will take a few minutes... I'll be here the whole time :D Aug 20 18:20:10 dannym, yeah well, my timing's off, I have a few minutes of my own :) Aug 20 18:25:27 roadies, what happens if you do that stuff inside scratchbox? Aug 20 18:27:33 johnx: "make"s work fine in both DIABLO_X86 and DIABLO_ARM, "make install" has problems in DIABLO_ARM and I have not tried running the backage stuff within scratchbox. I didnt know you could do that so let me try Aug 20 18:28:14 Johnx: correction: backage should be package Aug 20 18:30:13 Johnx: but let me ask, am I correct in assuming, I need to build within the DIABLO_ARM envirnoment since its for the n810. And do I really need to do the make install step anyway? Isnt that taken care of by the packaging ? Aug 20 18:33:03 dannym, lol... Are you connected through a 1994 dial-up modem ? Aug 20 18:33:08 is it possible to add programs to the applications menu? I took a look at panels in control panel but it's not possible there Aug 20 18:34:01 crashanddie: no, I'm connected through a usbnet cable... bear with me :) Aug 20 18:34:12 ok :) Aug 20 18:34:24 crashanddie: one of the things I should fix is to find a Wireless Hotspot somewhere instead ;) Aug 20 18:34:39 hi! all! Aug 20 18:34:43 liri: add .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon Aug 20 18:35:28 Johnx: I have to bolt home, got people screaming at me.... talk l8r thanks for the help Aug 20 18:46:01 timeless, I don't think I'm going to bother filing a bug for the About product control panel/ Aug 20 18:46:07 That's a change for Fremantle Aug 20 18:48:14 * timeless sighs Aug 20 18:48:17 you really should have Aug 20 18:48:24 anyway, i'm going home Aug 20 18:48:46 I mean, I will if you want me to. :P Aug 20 18:48:51 please Aug 20 18:49:01 I just don't thinks it's something that'll change early. Aug 20 19:00:29 what is the most convenient way of doing development for maemo? Aug 20 19:00:44 i've been playing with scratchbox, but it corrupts quite easily Aug 20 19:00:57 could it be a good idea to have a real virtual machine? Aug 20 19:01:09 there isn't one Aug 20 19:01:18 the least inconvenient way is probably the vmware image Aug 20 19:01:29 but I'm not sure there's one with the latest sdk in it Aug 20 19:01:42 what sort of scratchbox corruption do you see? Aug 20 19:01:50 ldd crashing Aug 20 19:01:57 with what error? Aug 20 19:01:59 apt-get not working anymore Aug 20 19:02:09 network connection issues? Aug 20 19:02:14 mgedmin: segmentation fault Aug 20 19:02:22 mgedmin: no, network is fine Aug 20 19:02:24 ooh, segfault Aug 20 19:02:36 yeah, for ldd, that seems pretty serious to me Aug 20 19:03:09 i heard of a guy who does maemo development that he runs scratchbox in a vm to be sure it does not kill his fs Aug 20 19:03:31 maybe hes' paranoid, but i'm a bit unsure about using scratchbox now Aug 20 19:05:22 as always, you should know what you do before pressing enter :) Aug 20 19:06:15 vandenoever: one easy way is to setup a new target, then backup the target and just restore it later if you need to. Aug 20 19:06:43 *@#! RNDIS (USB networking) kernel module just crashed both in the device _and_ on the host Aug 20 19:06:56 jott: backup means 'tar cjf /home/me/scratchbox.tar.bz2 /scratchbox' ? Aug 20 19:07:05 vandenoever, maybe he uses vmware not because of the corruption from scratchbox itself, but from the corruption of installing and configuring it - the vmware image is all nicely setup and you dont have to mess Aug 20 19:07:40 hi mgedmin :) did you enjoy your holiday Aug 20 19:07:47 vandenoever: no, look at /scratchbox/users/$USER/targets Aug 20 19:07:56 hi lcuk Aug 20 19:07:57 kinda yeah, especially those days when it wasn't raining Aug 20 19:08:07 thats always a bonus Aug 20 19:08:18 * lcuk hopes its sunny in berlin Aug 20 19:08:42 jott, we need weather reports every day in the near future :P Aug 20 19:08:43 jott: i'll have to reinstall it first :-) Aug 20 19:09:31 vandenoever: you should be able to just setup a new target as it's unlikely that you broke scratchbox itself when you just where inside the pseudo chroot :) Aug 20 19:10:03 lcuk: rain, clouds, 13-23C :/ Aug 20 19:10:14 jott: ok, i'll look into the target concept Aug 20 19:10:28 want sun and low-mid 40s ;) Aug 20 19:10:31 it's still 1 month away guys! Aug 20 19:10:51 only 1 month! Aug 20 19:11:03 * lcuk has tonnes to do Aug 20 19:12:20 lcuk: berlin is not really in the south, even if you may think so from your location ;) Aug 20 19:13:09 jott i think we are about even Aug 20 19:13:53 yeah more or less Aug 20 19:14:34 but as northerner everything must be south :P Aug 20 19:15:11 \@ Aug 20 19:16:05 btw have you found an hotel/hostel? Aug 20 19:16:09 yes Aug 20 19:16:17 mikkov_: ahh thanks! Aug 20 19:16:27 i booked it last night and sent my mail to the travel agent re flight just before Aug 20 19:16:47 aye where is it? Aug 20 19:20:34 heh Aug 20 19:25:31 crashanddie: yep, works fine :) Aug 20 19:25:39 crashanddie: I see a loading screen... Aug 20 19:25:51 crashanddie: and then a big panable area with lots of words Aug 20 19:27:45 jott berlin Stresemannstrae 49, 10963 Aug 20 19:28:03 Holiday Inn Express Berlin City Centre - am Ku'Damm Aug 20 19:29:33 "am Ku'Damm" haha very broad definition :) Aug 20 19:29:45 i used to live two blocks from there Aug 20 19:31:01 (Obentrautstr.) Aug 20 19:33:24 jott :) cool, how far from c-base then on foot, i know on the map but thats not the same Aug 20 19:34:08 walking from Kudamm to C-Base is not feasible AFAIK. Aug 20 19:34:19 that's too far indeed Aug 20 19:34:39 it's more or less möckernbrücke/anhalter bahnhof not kudamm but still it's a bit of a walk :) Aug 20 19:34:39 you dont know how far me and pupnik walked :P Aug 20 19:34:42 you should the s-bahn to "Jannowitzbrücke" Aug 20 19:34:52 omg anhalter Aug 20 19:35:05 when in doubt: take the s-bahn Aug 20 19:35:16 mh i guess u-bahn i better from there :P Aug 20 19:35:31 not the best connection to jannowitzbrücke with public transportations :) Aug 20 19:35:45 maybe not from there Aug 20 19:36:13 yep, that's what i meant. Aug 20 19:36:20 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=114842302533667483625.000435eb6278ce181eb4d&ll=52.512813,13.411367&spn=0.006699,0.021973&t=h&z=16 Aug 20 19:36:27 this link is helpful I guess Aug 20 19:38:29 lcuk: it's about 4km, if you like walking it's ok :) Aug 20 19:38:45 but better hope you get a gps fix :P Aug 20 19:39:55 I wonder if we the coordinates of c-base somewhere on the homepage Aug 20 19:41:02 that link seems good too. Aug 20 19:42:02 wasn't there a wiki page for the people arriving? maybe put it there. Aug 20 19:42:14 does this look accordingly: gps-data: N52°30.64' E13°25.22' (WGS84) Aug 20 19:42:21 aww, GeneralAntilles pinged me but it scrolled off <_< Aug 20 19:42:26 jott, the one from the topic you mean? Aug 20 19:42:39 hmm i guess so. Aug 20 19:42:44 * jott looks Aug 20 19:43:01 not followed the travel stuff as i don't need to travel :) Aug 20 19:43:07 wikipedia seems to disagree: 52° 30′ 47" N, 13° 25′ 11" O Aug 20 19:44:31 52.512898,13.420122 Aug 20 19:44:39 according to google maps :) Aug 20 19:44:51 :) Aug 20 19:44:53 +52° 30' 46.43", +13° 25' 12.44" Aug 20 19:45:06 yeah wikipedia seems to be right. Aug 20 19:45:46 we should have had quim find out the coordinates when he was here Aug 20 19:47:44 is the libmokoui stuff available on os2008 ? Aug 20 19:50:41 rm_you, another control panel applet. Aug 20 19:50:54 For tweaking themes and possible some matchbox settings. Aug 20 19:52:31 re Aug 20 19:58:32 GeneralAntilles: someone wants us to do it? Aug 20 19:58:34 like... you? :P Aug 20 19:58:44 Yes, me, of course. ;) Aug 20 19:58:54 Neither Jaffa__ nor Khertan seem to have the time. Aug 20 19:59:07 Since you'll be working on a Control panel applet, ANYWAY. ;) Aug 20 19:59:11 Unfortunately not :( Aug 20 19:59:24 lol ok Aug 20 19:59:26 s/applet,/applet/ Aug 20 19:59:26 * Jaffa wants to finish mud changes before the summit, but hasn't really started on them. Aug 20 19:59:27 GeneralAntilles meant: Since you'll be working on a Control panel applet ANYWAY. ;) Aug 20 19:59:31 send me details in PM or something Aug 20 19:59:42 I have to run to the bank to pay rent Aug 20 20:03:28 Grrr. And now my computer's hung doing NFSey and USBey stuff Aug 20 20:04:48 _juan was great. /msg'ed me effectively "a/s/l?". Nice to be wanted Aug 20 20:05:20 Welcome to AOL. Aug 20 20:18:59 google reader gives you it's own subscription address which is aggregated no? Aug 20 20:19:13 afaik no Aug 20 20:21:46 RST38h: surely there is some way for an rss reader to work with google reader Aug 20 20:29:14 liri: opml export & import? Aug 20 20:29:31 that'd get you the same subscriptions in both Aug 20 20:29:40 wouldn't help you keep read/unread status in google reader Aug 20 20:35:50 evening chaps Aug 20 20:36:34 Howdy Aug 20 20:36:51 How goes it Ryan? Aug 20 20:37:31 mgedmin: I'm new to RSS (surprisingly why...) so what's opml export/import? Aug 20 20:37:38 Well enough, delaying taking all of the patio furniture out of the pool until this stupid storm figures out where it wants to go to die. Aug 20 20:38:23 mgedmin: google reader also has a notes functionality in style of RSS which is why I'm asking Aug 20 20:38:35 the wonders of Florida ;) Aug 20 20:39:33 * lcuk ponders taking the patio furniture out of the muddy puddy at the bottom of his garden Aug 20 20:39:40 puddle even ffs Aug 20 20:40:12 yeah, all rain, no (swimming)pools over here Aug 20 20:40:33 theres a few, but they get closed down when youngsters leave deposits Aug 20 20:40:51 hmm, thanks for that! Aug 20 20:41:04 jake had to do the walk of shame the other day with the mrs. he denied it whilst stood around Aug 20 20:41:30 * lardman wonders why Rhythmbox won't play... Aug 20 20:41:33 "ladies and gentlemen, the pool will be closed until tomorrow" Aug 20 20:41:41 :'( Aug 20 20:41:44 ah, poor kid Aug 20 20:41:46 Pools suck Aug 20 20:41:57 Mostly just a pain in the ass to care for. Aug 20 20:42:01 unless you've not got one! Aug 20 20:42:13 The idea is to know somebody with a pool Aug 20 20:42:14 sod the pool, give me the sunshine! Aug 20 20:42:17 and use their's Aug 20 20:42:22 good plan Aug 20 20:42:31 Very overcast at the moment. Aug 20 20:42:47 whats the temp there? or don't i want to know Aug 20 20:42:56 80s, probably Aug 20 20:43:21 so warmer than here anyway Aug 20 20:43:36 http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USFL0438?from=enhsearch_loc Aug 20 20:43:37 the artic is warmer than here most days Aug 20 20:44:06 yeah well, you do live up North! ;) Aug 20 20:44:11 Clouds are keeping the temp down a bit. . . . Aug 20 20:44:38 * lcuk is gonna move somewhere else, even people in other countries take the piss out of my northernness Aug 20 20:45:26 * lcuk wonders how much complainin hes gonna get by turnin the wii off and sending the kids to bed.. Aug 20 20:45:39 Hehe, Wii. Aug 20 20:47:47 rubbish internet connection Aug 20 20:47:54 The nice thing about earthquakes and tornadoes is that you don't know they're coming. Aug 20 20:48:01 Hurricanes are too much damn stress. Aug 20 20:48:18 Don't watch the news. Aug 20 20:48:33 That won't stop the hurricanes Aug 20 20:48:43 He wouldn't know they're coming then Aug 20 20:49:07 ah, but I bet the weather plugin for maemo mapper would tell him :) Aug 20 20:49:39 "If it goes out into the Gulf and builds up, am I gonna have to put plywood up on the 70-odd windows on the house?" Aug 20 20:49:49 Leavethe plywood up? Aug 20 20:49:54 lol Aug 20 20:50:21 I'm not even sure I could scrounge up the help to get them put up in the first place. Aug 20 20:50:39 * GeneralAntilles doesn't remember the last time they had to go up fondly. Aug 20 20:50:46 Hey, at least they're all pre-cut now. Aug 20 20:51:34 have fewer windows :p Aug 20 20:51:37 ;) Aug 20 20:51:42 install linux Aug 20 20:51:44 Yeah, there's one plan. Aug 20 20:52:17 well that was less stressful than i figured it would be Aug 20 20:52:29 Hehe Aug 20 20:52:47 I've got Microsoft's new plan for getting kids to hate Linux at a young age Aug 20 20:52:51 re Aug 20 20:53:18 Ship homebrew kits to parents to use to stop them using their Wiis whenever the kids are bad. Aug 20 20:53:33 They'll quickly learn to hate Tux. Aug 20 20:53:37 i keep threatening to install linux on the eldests' DS Aug 20 20:54:01 Haha Aug 20 20:54:04 he has a fit and wont let me near his stuff. when he got guitar hero i threatened him with similar ;) Aug 20 20:54:07 Bad person, lcuk. Aug 20 20:54:18 You should save that as a reward if he's good. :P Aug 20 20:54:39 the thing is, he used to have a ubuntu desktop and never once complained Aug 20 20:56:47 GeneralAntilles, the 770 was shipped with a standalone clip together stand wasnt it Aug 20 20:56:50 Somebody needs to write a "Developing on device" wiki article already. Aug 20 20:57:01 lcuk, it was the shittiest thing you can imagine Aug 20 20:57:09 If you tapped the screen offcenter it would fall off. Aug 20 20:57:10 yes, i suppose someone does really Aug 20 20:57:18 * lcuk looks around Aug 20 20:57:51 im just thinking i need something similar but bigger for my cradle Aug 20 20:58:21 To act as a stand for the cradle? Aug 20 20:58:26 yer Aug 20 20:58:46 Well, uh, they sell stands for hardcover books that might work. Aug 20 20:59:15 i might just make another cradle to sit the current cradle in Aug 20 20:59:54 I don't seem them online, but you should be able to find them in bookshops. Aug 20 21:00:29 I don't want to try to figure out Scratchbox under PPC/OS X Aug 20 21:00:37 At least I know compiling on device works. ;) Aug 20 21:01:08 :| Aug 20 21:01:19 compiling does, but its not automatic and incomplete for custom projects Aug 20 21:01:36 GA: so you dont have a linux box? Aug 20 21:01:47 the lack of "configure" support brings most downloaded projects to a fullstop Aug 20 21:01:52 moontiger, unless you count my tablets. Aug 20 21:02:10 well of course... excepting them i meant Aug 20 21:02:13 can we count all of them? we only have 32bit calculators Aug 20 21:02:19 GeneralAntilles: maybe I could set you up on my buildbox <_< Aug 20 21:02:29 rm_you, nah, not that important. Aug 20 21:02:41 It's easier just to con other people into doing my compiling for me. ;) Aug 20 21:02:53 * GeneralAntilles pokes Navi with a stick. Aug 20 21:02:56 im finding developing under plain gtk on the desktop then porting works well for me Aug 20 21:03:17 moontiger, same goes for sdl (with a few slowdowns) Aug 20 21:03:41 I might dual-boot Linux on my G5 if it didn't turn into a jet taking off in Linux. Aug 20 21:03:52 * fred finds developing under plain qt on the desktop then plain recompiling (+ ui changes) works well :) Aug 20 21:04:13 lcuk, yah i cant imagine developing on the tablet is very much fun for anything more than a few changes Aug 20 21:04:30 fred, i hear yah Aug 20 21:04:35 moontiger, i do 100% of dev compiling and running on the tablet Aug 20 21:04:42 * fred needs to do more UI changes though :( Aug 20 21:05:01 i edit files using komodo edit in windows, or same in linux etc Aug 20 21:05:20 http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/yanihp-n810.jpg - not exactly finger-friendly :p Aug 20 21:05:20 when im out and about though, i can hack away (with pygtkeditor) and make things and tweak and recompile Aug 20 21:05:20 Good compatibility with desktop toolkits is one of the tablet's biggest strengths, but also its biggest weakness. . . . Aug 20 21:05:23 i was going to look at komodo ... is it worth it? Aug 20 21:05:58 ive got it configured to write c code - the editor is nice and fast and its styled to look and feel like visual basic classic code editor Aug 20 21:06:03 fred, hehe wossit? Aug 20 21:06:21 * moontiger shudders at the mention of vb ;) Aug 20 21:06:24 moontiger, its an editor though, its not a full ide - i use console to build Aug 20 21:07:08 lcuk, i use anjuta for c/c++ stuff ... geany for php web ... and now (god help me) gedit for python Aug 20 21:07:08 the editor is free, right? Aug 20 21:07:08 moontiger: older full size screenshot: http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/yanihp-info-on-right.png Aug 20 21:07:11 i wont try to change your mind, but vb can do everything any other language can, its just syntax Aug 20 21:07:22 beford yes Aug 20 21:08:08 lcuk, i find it like coding with mittens on compared to c++ Aug 20 21:08:18 i treat vb like methadone Aug 20 21:08:21 fred, ok cool ... nice track btw ;) Aug 20 21:08:28 which is why im very happy to be back in c Aug 20 21:08:35 microsoft c is horrid Aug 20 21:08:42 lcuk, yah ... im liking python but its kinda vb-ish Aug 20 21:08:48 coding for windows turned me off it and thats when i found vb Aug 20 21:09:43 lcuk, i used to write trading systems for windows and you couldnt talk to the reuters feeds via vb back then Aug 20 21:09:53 vb turned me off Aug 20 21:09:55 * fred managed to write some fairly advanced stuff in VB without learning what the difference between a module and a class module was... in 3 years. Aug 20 21:09:59 but then I had found delphi first Aug 20 21:10:00 * fred hangs head in shame Aug 20 21:10:09 before it became too buggy to be useful Aug 20 21:10:14 its ok fred ... we all understand :) Aug 20 21:10:17 fred: is it possible to change the collection path with yanihp? it seems to lack a menu :) Aug 20 21:10:25 moontiger, having activex access meant you could talk to anyone and anything - it actually made sense on the desktop Aug 20 21:10:42 yah but the reuters stuff didnt have any activex controls Aug 20 21:10:44 jott: erm, yeah, it does :p you get asked on first run - otherwise, there's the config file Aug 20 21:11:09 fred: ok so it's config file :) Aug 20 21:11:16 * fred keeps on meaning to add menus + settings page, but doesn't seem to ever get around to it Aug 20 21:11:21 without knowing specifics i cant comment, but ive not had a problem personally where its not been solvable by code or library Aug 20 21:11:47 lcuk, i have great respect for vb coders ... i saw some amazing stuff written in it ... i just alwats preferred the c syntax Aug 20 21:11:51 fred, i know that feeling, im moving to a brain database right now and pondering things Aug 20 21:11:55 always too Aug 20 21:11:57 as do i Aug 20 21:12:26 hence me being here now coding back in c and loving every minute of it :) Aug 20 21:12:31 im almost done with my first maemo app ... couple more days and i'll be ready to package it ... that should be fun to figure out Aug 20 21:12:32 :) Aug 20 21:12:50 fred: ah and why are the cover arts fetched from last.fm instead of using embedded or local one?! :O Aug 20 21:13:03 same for lyrics :) Aug 20 21:14:11 never admit you are in charge of an incomplete project or you will be bombarded with feature requests :> Aug 20 21:14:40 or an incomplete os Aug 20 21:15:15 So it would be a bad idea for me to mention I'm sending this from BitchX on my n810? Aug 20 21:16:02 lcuk: still thinking about liqos? ;) Aug 20 21:16:38 well jott, if i *can* get the editor off the ground i can start self compiling Aug 20 21:17:32 OMG, maemo had a virus Aug 20 21:18:15 ill b back laterish Aug 20 21:21:00 jott: coverart is currently cached, and looks at amazon, musicbrainz, and last.fm Aug 20 21:21:10 plan to look at folder.{jpg,png} and tags, not got around to it Aug 20 21:21:16 wasn't aware there was a lyrics tag though Aug 20 21:21:25 fred: yep, there are multiple lyrics tags :) Aug 20 21:21:32 oh dear. Aug 20 21:21:38 my collection has both album art and lyrics for nearly all songs :) Aug 20 21:22:03 otherwise i think it looks nice. Aug 20 21:22:14 (only tested on the desktop for now) Aug 20 21:23:19 jott: got a link to some documentation on lyrics tags in different containers? (or just a list off the top of your head) Aug 20 21:23:58 http://www.id3.org/Lyrics3v2 and the other id3.org stuff :) Aug 20 21:24:12 oh lyrics3v2 hmm that's new :) Aug 20 21:24:28 oh dear Aug 20 21:24:32 * fred harbours a hatred for id3 Aug 20 21:24:37 fred: http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-e76d4fb26268baf285bff899581cc284427a2789 Aug 20 21:24:46 USLT/SYLT Aug 20 21:25:42 * fred hugs xiph comments for being a format that's actually sane to work with Aug 20 21:25:46 i think those are the most common ones. afair itunes uses USLT Aug 20 21:25:53 hehe Aug 20 21:26:08 yeah id3 is somewhat grown from the wrong seed :) Aug 20 21:26:16 There's also CMML/Annodex. Aug 20 21:27:07 dannym, awesome, thanks Aug 20 21:30:44 haha but this Lyrics3v2 really shows how broken id3 is :) Aug 20 21:35:11 wtf... Aug 20 21:35:15 * fred spots APIC type 11 Aug 20 21:36:31 http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#head-70a65d30522ef0d37642224c2a40517ae35b7155 Aug 20 21:36:42 yep Aug 20 21:37:02 that's the one commonly used. Aug 20 21:37:08 wtf Aug 20 21:37:09 arg Aug 20 21:37:27 I assume that type $03 is the common one :p Aug 20 21:37:34 hehe Aug 20 21:37:45 yes Aug 20 21:38:05 individually the letters work Aug 20 21:38:48 The ID3v2 standard may suck, but bright coloured fish seem to be the redeeming value of this standard. Aug 20 21:38:56 first google hit :) Aug 20 21:39:54 * jott should tag his mp3s with the proper fishes Aug 20 21:40:51 21:39 < Faux> fred: Clearly a nod at Xiph. :p Aug 20 21:40:52 :p Aug 20 21:41:09 hehe Aug 20 21:41:27 yeah probably Aug 20 21:41:34 * fred resists urge to make a few 'MP3s' with no MP3 audio but with ogg/vorbis embedded in APIC $11 Aug 20 21:46:41 crashanddie: you're welcome :) Aug 20 21:49:26 Hey guys, I'm trying to install the maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org thingie, which tries to grab stuff from maemo.research.nokia.com, which doesn't quite exist. Do you know a solution to the problem? Aug 20 21:49:48 ref deblet and just general interest... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/20/freerunner_debian/ Aug 20 21:51:35 polyonymous: you know you're going for a bleeding edge sdk right? Aug 20 21:52:24 for a productive sdk go here: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ Aug 20 21:53:07 or let us know how it works out :) I dropped sdk+ a couple of months back... Aug 20 21:54:43 guys... how often would you want a calendar app to auto-refresh? Aug 20 21:56:21 moontiger: just before it needs to Aug 20 21:56:35 * moontiger laughs Aug 20 21:56:54 lbt, of course I do ;-) Aug 20 21:57:14 think about it... especially with alarms etc.... updates often arrive more frequently near events Aug 20 21:57:32 lbt, I've tried the production one, it works, now it's time to try bleeding edge, isn't it? :) Aug 20 21:57:35 polyonymous: just in case - I can't tell if you're a noob or just nuts... Aug 20 21:57:49 it worked very nicely for me for a while Aug 20 21:57:50 lbt, the latter :) Aug 20 21:58:05 then it started playing silly buggers with LD_PRELOAD Aug 20 21:58:09 and died Aug 20 21:58:21 I haven't got round to trying again yet... Aug 20 21:58:37 I don't mind it dying. But you see - you've tried it, and so I want to :) Aug 20 22:00:18 woo i may be able to make it to berlin Aug 20 22:00:30 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=214480 Aug 20 22:00:47 sleeep... Aug 20 22:00:53 polyonymous: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32 Aug 20 22:01:16 polyonymous:google-foo-- Aug 20 22:01:47 also suggests you're using a v.old source Aug 20 22:01:59 anyhow I'm off -- good luck Aug 20 22:02:08 lbt, thanks Aug 20 22:02:09 lbt, maybe i didnt put that very well ... in terms of fetching your stuff from say google calendar ... what update interval would be often enough? Aug 20 22:02:17 Actually, I'm off for today myself :) Aug 20 22:02:18 oh doh! Aug 20 22:02:24 moontiger: I knew what you meant Aug 20 22:02:24 laterz Aug 20 22:02:28 I guess 15 mins Aug 20 22:02:31 but be clever Aug 20 22:02:37 i am ;) Aug 20 22:02:47 so adapt the timing near events Aug 20 22:02:59 for those last minute change of venues Aug 20 22:03:00 etc Aug 20 22:03:03 hmmmmmmmmm... in case they change you mean? Aug 20 22:03:07 right Aug 20 22:03:11 nice idea :) Aug 20 22:03:12 thnx Aug 20 22:03:33 also, if nothing happens, lighten the load in quiet times Aug 20 22:03:42 battery life Aug 20 22:03:43 right Aug 20 22:03:49 there is a manual refresh option too Aug 20 22:03:52 cron is so last week Aug 20 22:03:57 and the week before ;) Aug 20 22:04:00 'night all Aug 20 22:04:36 pupnik, you gonna do a session? Aug 20 22:04:42 night Aug 20 22:18:01 re Aug 20 22:33:56 hey guys Aug 20 22:33:59 just updated to diablo Aug 20 22:34:03 and now it won't let me install the updates Aug 20 22:34:06 any ideas why? Aug 20 22:34:15 unable to update browser-neteal Aug 20 22:34:37 and it dos it fo alot of the packages Aug 20 22:36:28 any ideas? Aug 20 22:41:04 Hello there :) Is there a way to get rid of presence icon in the upper right corner? Aug 20 22:43:27 hmmm Aug 20 22:43:36 none of my catalogs say diablo Aug 20 22:43:38 should they? Aug 20 22:44:09 yacoob, disabling all accounts I believe Aug 20 22:44:46 cbx33, if I'm not mistaken, if you don't specify anything, app manager will use current distro name Aug 20 22:44:50 yacoob, or in the control panel Aug 20 22:44:53 * bef0rd checks Aug 20 22:45:08 bef0rd, doesn't seem to be an option to hide the icon, just default status and time to away Aug 20 22:45:39 yea, just checked, presence can't be disabled Aug 20 22:45:40 :/ Aug 20 22:47:57 well i can't update Aug 20 22:48:01 I'm sure that must be it Aug 20 22:48:11 maybe I'll restore from backup but ignore my appliation list Aug 20 22:55:35 sadly, pidgin sucks even more than built in chat. Oh well. Aug 20 23:06:21 yacoob: i second that Aug 20 23:13:59 hey all Aug 20 23:14:23 hi Aug 20 23:14:25 anyone have a stock sources file??? for diablo?? Aug 20 23:14:47 when i restroe my backup it overwrites it Aug 20 23:15:06 even if i untick application list Aug 20 23:15:35 yacoob: but you can add presence plugin Aug 20 23:15:49 yacoob: though it seems to kill the battery (Pidgin) Aug 20 23:16:03 anyway, night all Aug 20 23:33:26 why oh WHY doesn't n810 have the GPS from N82 Aug 20 23:34:08 also a question - is it possible to hack BP-6M supporting phone to use BP-6L? Aug 20 23:34:16 (the same n810 does) Aug 20 23:34:23 wait, I'm wrong Aug 20 23:34:27 BP-5L Aug 20 23:34:53 are the sizes about the same? Aug 20 23:35:04 no Aug 20 23:35:14 ok, it's impossible Aug 20 23:35:22 the fresh BP-6M is smaller and 1050 mAh Aug 20 23:36:01 it's like 2/3 of BP-5L ;P Aug 20 23:36:11 even in size Aug 20 23:42:13 well, it still uses the same old small Nokia plug... Aug 20 23:42:37 which means my designer phone battery adapter will work :P Aug 20 23:46:06 AStorm: N82 uses AGPS (Assisted GPS), so it's using information from the cell network that the N810 doesn't have. Aug 20 23:47:43 well Aug 20 23:47:53 can it make that info available over Bluetooth? Aug 20 23:47:55 ;P Aug 20 23:48:40 agps rules Aug 20 23:48:46 indeed Aug 20 23:48:49 isn't there some app for s60(either native or j2me) that makes the phone act as a bt gps? Aug 20 23:48:59 but IT DOES NOT WORK when you need it: i.e. when you're abroad Aug 20 23:49:09 and there's no open wifi around you Aug 20 23:49:18 and no gprs/edge/3g data connection Aug 20 23:49:20 mgedmin: works but it's horribly expensive usually.. Aug 20 23:49:31 mgedmin: well, 90s GPS lock time of my n810 is cool enough Aug 20 23:49:54 at worst it's 180s Aug 20 23:50:13 meh, move halfway across the globe and try again Aug 20 23:50:18 (weird, as it should get correct almanac in much shorter time) Aug 20 23:50:27 mgedmin: ... it's 30s residential Aug 20 23:50:34 thanks to those nice maemo mapper updates Aug 20 23:50:54 although agps is more precise obviously Aug 20 23:51:26 hot lock is fast too Aug 20 23:51:44 the thing I need is a good app, like, ARM version of AutoMapa ;P Aug 20 23:52:17 okay, what's this "residential" thing and should I update my maemo-mapper? Aug 20 23:52:18 or some nice hack to make maemo mapper voice-guide Aug 20 23:52:41 mgedmin: it means if the time and position matches well enough, the fix is much faster Aug 20 23:53:20 waah I want zeroconf/mdns/avahi on my n810 Aug 20 23:53:41 I have my laptop and the n810 in the same (foreign) wlan, and I want to ssh to it by name, not by ip Aug 20 23:54:22 uhm, add your own DNS server? Aug 20 23:54:45 by "foreign" I was trying to say "the wifi of the hotel I'm currently staying at that I cannot really reconfigure" Aug 20 23:54:51 poorly-chosen word, that "foreign" Aug 20 23:55:18 ahh well Aug 20 23:55:22 /etc/hosts, use it Aug 20 23:55:34 ip, dynamic, hard to figure out Aug 20 23:55:48 I suppose I should give up and install that home applet Aug 20 23:55:49 s/dynamic/use dyndns/ Aug 20 23:55:57 wow, cool Aug 20 23:55:59 ah, you mean the IP of the device Aug 20 23:56:10 assuming dyndns works for internal IPs Aug 20 23:56:21 it does detect them Aug 20 23:56:42 sets your dns to external ip Aug 20 23:56:55 although I guess you could force it Aug 20 23:57:37 hm weird, I can't ping it by ip Aug 20 23:57:47 even though I'm in the same lan Aug 20 23:57:52 firewall? Aug 20 23:58:06 that would make my zeroconf wishes moot Aug 20 23:58:32 pings are disabled maybe? Aug 20 23:58:39 try tcpping or sth Aug 20 23:58:46 ssh also worketh not Aug 21 00:00:35 mgedmin: ok, you've lost connection Aug 21 00:00:58 so, what's that nice app to make the nice AGPS of N82 available over Bluetooth? Aug 21 00:01:27 A-GPS Beta? Aug 21 00:01:31 for Symbian obviously Aug 21 00:01:41 no idea Aug 21 00:01:51 I don't know if n810's software can make use of the cell info Aug 21 00:02:07 there was talk of AGPS support for n810 Aug 21 00:02:12 there is Aug 21 00:02:22 it needs an internet connection (either wifi or gprs of some kind) Aug 21 00:02:46 I'd only need the AGPS-enabled GPS of Nokia N82 to look like Bluetooth GPS receiver Aug 21 00:02:51 I think all it does is download the current almanac/ephemeris/whatever data Aug 21 00:02:52 :> Aug 21 00:03:03 mgedmin: yes, it's called quick fix Aug 21 00:03:17 it downloads fresh ephemeris Aug 21 00:03:23 almanac wouldn't help as much Aug 21 00:03:31 a turn-my-phone-into-bt-gps app would be cool Aug 21 00:03:53 unfortunately, I'd have to get my hands dirty with Symbian to code that Aug 21 00:04:05 though it's not impossible Aug 21 00:04:22 * mgedmin hates the guy who decided on naming .documents, .sounds etc with a starting dot Aug 21 00:04:31 yes Aug 21 00:04:31 how am I supposed to du -chs MyDocs/* ??? Aug 21 00:04:54 mgedmin: du -chs MyDocs/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* Aug 21 00:05:06 how am I supposed to type [ and ] on my n810 ??? Aug 21 00:05:10 ... Aug 21 00:05:13 yes, yes, I know, use the vkb Aug 21 00:05:13 with Fn Aug 21 00:05:32 ah, wait, that's just my customized layout ;P Aug 21 00:05:34 use Chr key Aug 21 00:05:36 yep Aug 21 00:05:57 also, my layout is *still* not included in ukeyboard Aug 21 00:05:58 hey, du is cool Aug 21 00:06:00 and it ownz Aug 21 00:06:13 du -chs MyDocs/.* shows me I have 64 megs in MyDocs and 8 megs outside Aug 21 00:06:24 I suspect it's du's hardlink-detection code that kicks in Aug 21 00:07:03 but it doesn't show me the .sounds/whatever Aug 21 00:08:41 wow, I have 17 megs of saved gps tracks Aug 21 00:08:50 hadn't realised those were big Aug 21 00:08:57 oh, right, xml Aug 21 00:31:15 there was probably a reason for the . mgedmin Aug 21 00:32:05 pupnik, so do you do 3d stuff? Aug 21 00:32:34 i used to Aug 21 00:32:48 mostly 2d accel from 1987-1991 Aug 21 00:32:49 where at? Aug 21 00:32:53 oh ok Aug 21 00:32:57 games? Aug 21 00:33:01 no CAD Aug 21 00:33:07 ahhhhhhhhh i c Aug 21 00:33:23 cool :) Aug 21 00:33:29 luck Aug 21 00:34:10 so where do i go tonight Aug 21 00:34:17 to meet a nice lady friend type human Aug 21 00:34:18 Middle East in Cambridge Aug 21 00:34:45 i could probably be in england in a few hours Aug 21 00:34:54 Er, not that Cambridge! Aug 21 00:34:57 pupnik: well, if I could just have that kind of dilemma here ;P Aug 21 00:35:37 it was damn fun with lcuk in berlin Aug 21 00:35:59 Come visit Boston! Aug 21 00:36:08 no ... can't visit USA Aug 21 00:36:12 am on terrorist list Aug 21 00:36:12 why not? Aug 21 00:36:16 really? Aug 21 00:36:18 pupnik: lol Aug 21 00:36:25 due to what? Aug 21 00:36:32 my opinions, dumbass Aug 21 00:36:37 mad bombing run? being jailed? ;P Aug 21 00:36:45 or just mental institution? Aug 21 00:36:45 no just speech, you fuck Aug 21 00:36:53 just opposing mass murder Aug 21 00:37:10 US is going downwards quick Aug 21 00:37:22 Well, I left Sweden to move to the USA. Aug 21 00:37:26 Sweden isn't much better. Aug 21 00:37:34 still is better Aug 21 00:37:45 german Aug 21 00:37:51 y isn't much better either Aug 21 00:37:53 For some things Sweden is better than the USA. Not for software dev. Aug 21 00:38:01 the govment just be trying to protect us Aug 21 00:38:04 from ourselfs Aug 21 00:38:08 we be too dumb to do it Aug 21 00:38:16 please mr govment Aug 21 00:38:22 you're right shapr ... it's all not so binary O|1 Aug 21 00:38:24 help us be safe Aug 21 00:38:24 the bush-man is smrt Aug 21 00:38:28 pupnik: yup Aug 21 00:38:37 pupnik: Sweden was much better for healthy food though. I liked that. Aug 21 00:38:49 It's cheaper to buy healthy food in Sweden. Cheaper to buy fattening food in the USA. Aug 21 00:39:04 also bad food... chickens with shit all over the meat Aug 21 00:39:04 I needs my pork rinds and tato chips Aug 21 00:39:10 it's not cheap to buy proper food in Poland too :/ Aug 21 00:39:18 it's getting more and more expensive Aug 21 00:39:27 the chicken in usa tastes like shit... because you are eating meat covered in chicken shit Aug 21 00:39:33 pupnik: I haven't had that problem. Aug 21 00:39:37 same almost everywhere Aug 21 00:39:43 it tastes like fish Aug 21 00:39:52 it's so wrong on many levels Aug 21 00:40:00 I had some beefalo not too long ago, that was tasty. Aug 21 00:40:04 i'm gonna start killing my own animals Aug 21 00:40:11 pupnik: cat soup? ;P Aug 21 00:40:17 squirrel soup is good! Aug 21 00:40:32 yes... that means 96% vegetarian Aug 21 00:40:37 just 4% killing Aug 21 00:40:53 Life feeds on life. Aug 21 00:40:59 will go do now... ttyl Aug 21 00:41:01 except plants Aug 21 00:41:14 you're not a plant, btw Aug 21 00:41:17 * shapr waves at pupnik Aug 21 00:48:33 ~lart unmatching checksums Aug 21 00:48:34 * infobot frags unmatching checksums with his BFG9000 Aug 21 00:51:05 Is it easy to get my mac address from /proc somewhere? Aug 21 00:51:26 ifconfig? Aug 21 00:51:46 or look in control panel is probably easiest Aug 21 00:51:46 look under the battery cover? Aug 21 00:51:59 hi lcuk2 Aug 21 00:52:01 I mean, programmatically... Aug 21 00:52:08 I want to generate GUIDs. Aug 21 00:52:21 shapr: well, uuidgen is there :> Aug 21 00:52:22 lardman: Yeah, ifconfig is probably best, thanks. Aug 21 00:52:29 in e2fsprogs Aug 21 00:53:01 hmm Aug 21 00:53:14 AStorm: thanks Aug 21 00:56:06 i think it's programily Aug 21 00:57:36 is there a way to *properly* find out what modules my app actually needs as opposed to just commenting them out and seeing it it still runs? Aug 21 00:57:48 im coding in python btw Aug 21 00:59:25 just comment them out, should be pretty easy to work it out Aug 21 01:00:07 ok cool... thats what i am doing ... just wondered if there was a *proper* way ... thnx :) Aug 21 01:00:07 hi lardman, you are up late Aug 21 01:00:14 moontiger, there is no magic button Aug 21 01:00:30 Not that I've ever tried :) Aug 21 01:00:41 get an ide which has an intelligence library and knows how to read code and you might have it Aug 21 01:00:51 cool thnx :) Aug 21 01:01:17 im not that good with python yet so i dont know if there is some stuff going on behind the scenes that might bite me Aug 21 01:01:19 you are thinking like microsoft and expecting everything built in, for most stuff, expect to get to know the library before you can use it Aug 21 01:01:23 * lardman votes for it writing the code too! Aug 21 01:02:01 just trying to reduce the footprint is all :) Aug 21 01:02:08 its been a bit of a culture shock to me, but googling the function of class usually brings up enough Aug 21 01:02:42 moontiger: You could always do explicit imports. Aug 21 01:02:46 * lcuk2 is starting to feel comfortable with linux now Aug 21 01:02:47 heh i know what you mean :) Aug 21 01:03:01 shapr, you mean with "import blahblah" Aug 21 01:03:02 ? Aug 21 01:03:32 lcuk, me too ... i wouldnt want to go back to windows programming if i had a choice ... i like the linux way Aug 21 01:04:08 the only thing i actively like about windows is vb classic.. Aug 21 01:04:42 i cannot stand anything produced since .net came out Aug 21 01:05:37 moontiger: Yeah Aug 21 01:05:53 lcuk2: After ten years of being microsoft free, I got a .NET job in January. Aug 21 01:06:23 lcuk2: So far, the only good point of Visual Studio is that it has pretty graphical designers. But its flaws make VS an overall negative. Aug 21 01:06:37 shapr, im doing that already thnx :) funny bout the .NOT job ;) Aug 21 01:06:50 i cant stand vs2008 Aug 21 01:06:51 I'm doing SharePoint dev for a living. I mostly use emacs/cygwin/etc. Aug 21 01:07:34 lcuk2, yah i think they lost the plot since ballmer took charge Aug 21 01:07:54 Microsoft dev makes me crazy. Aug 21 01:08:06 ~lart bitreading code Aug 21 01:08:06 * infobot hauls bitreading code up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Aug 21 01:08:22 shapr, a portion of our codebase has been recoded in .shit over the last 2 years. it makes me shudder when i see just how slow simple things are Aug 21 01:08:49 yah ... i was always in mfc / atl stuff Aug 21 01:08:52 it looks pretty some of the time, but the graphical glitches and general sluggishness are just dire Aug 21 01:08:57 The only thing worse is all the programmers I meet who have only ever microsoft, have never even heard of the alternatives. Aug 21 01:09:02 ever used* Aug 21 01:09:08 which also explains why i dont like using hildon .. ;) Aug 21 01:09:09 yah Aug 21 01:09:34 shapr, you get used to the libraries Aug 21 01:10:03 its like a comfort zone where you know how it all works. Aug 21 01:10:04 Yeah, but I doubt I'll ever get used to the instability of the apps. Aug 21 01:10:22 uncertainty is the worst one Aug 21 01:10:27 thats what happens when you lower the barrier to entry so much Aug 21 01:10:37 Yeah, it's hard to change. Aug 21 01:10:51 But I knew that ten years ago, that's why I refused to take a microsoft job for that time :-) Aug 21 01:11:08 now you've turned to the dark side luke... Aug 21 01:11:15 Because I now know that linux, etc makes programming that much easier. Aug 21 01:11:22 the main rebuilt app in .net is having a problem. when left alone for a few minutes it would deadlock. no reason or anything. i got called in today to see if i could work my usual magic (i have an ability to track and identify bugs and clean them effectively..) Aug 21 01:11:33 moontiger: Now I get to demonstrate cygwin, etc to my coworkers. Aug 21 01:11:34 i found out it has a listening port Aug 21 01:11:41 ! Aug 21 01:11:55 um, why? Aug 21 01:11:58 i asked the main dev what it was and he had no idea his app was making network connections Aug 21 01:12:03 ?? Aug 21 01:12:04 sheesh Aug 21 01:12:40 it really pisses me off Aug 21 01:12:45 lcuk2: Did you figure out why it's listening? Aug 21 01:12:55 or what its listening for?? Aug 21 01:12:58 i know every line of code in my applications and would know for certain what every little bit does Aug 21 01:13:13 no because ive not got 2008 on my machine Aug 21 01:13:13 barrier to entry == too low Aug 21 01:13:18 even if you wrote it while drunk...? Aug 21 01:13:26 ;) Aug 21 01:13:28 heh lardman :D Aug 21 01:13:39 ok 1 little thing :P Aug 21 01:13:44 you bastard! Aug 21 01:13:45 :) Aug 21 01:13:56 oh shit, i just woke the missus Aug 21 01:14:17 shh! Aug 21 01:14:20 oops Aug 21 01:14:32 manchester? ma? Aug 21 01:14:37 uk Aug 21 01:14:55 ah, too bad. Manchester, MA is about fifteen minutes drive from here. Aug 21 01:15:04 its only 1 thing - i ask about things like threads and code running Aug 21 01:15:11 he blanks it "none of my code is running" Aug 21 01:15:26 i never said your code, i said whats happening whilst the form is on screen Aug 21 01:15:35 what times are there, whats being kicked off Aug 21 01:15:44 Most .net programmers don't know. Aug 21 01:15:53 lcuk2: you're ranting ;) Aug 21 01:15:56 I still don't know much yet :-( Aug 21 01:15:57 of course Aug 21 01:16:29 lardman, do i recall you saying you had installed liqbase Aug 21 01:16:57 yep, very nice Aug 21 01:17:03 as expected Aug 21 01:17:12 is it still on your system? Aug 21 01:17:18 yep Aug 21 01:17:26 ill send you a mail in a minute Aug 21 01:17:30 shapr, do you go to codeproject.com ? Aug 21 01:17:36 you're not the phantom-font-changer are you? Aug 21 01:17:42 just got a sketch on it, i would like to see if somethings possible Aug 21 01:17:52 what do you mean? Aug 21 01:18:04 my menu font has changed Aug 21 01:18:09 what to? Aug 21 01:18:15 little Aug 21 01:18:25 i dont see how Aug 21 01:18:28 which menu? Aug 21 01:18:47 only for desktop messages (like screen locked) & the hw off button menu Aug 21 01:18:57 no worries, it's not liqbase Aug 21 01:19:11 ahhh k, what is it? Aug 21 01:19:17 no idea Aug 21 01:19:23 not too bothered Aug 21 01:21:02 it was microsoft Aug 21 01:21:33 or these guys http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-VVHxcFDQ&feature=related Aug 21 01:23:26 actually simon, doesnt matter for tonight, its bedtime i think Aug 21 01:24:22 yeah, I'm feeling pretty tired now too Aug 21 01:24:42 perhaps I'll actually go to sleep now Aug 21 01:24:54 you aint normally about this time of night Aug 21 01:25:11 nah, I went to bed, but couldn't sleep Aug 21 01:27:23 converting dsp-tremor to use 16bit type buffers for 8bit data is enough to send anyone to sleep ;) Aug 21 01:27:24 moontiger: What's that? Aug 21 01:27:45 anyway, see you chaps tomorrow Aug 21 01:27:49 * shapr waves Aug 21 01:28:06 codeproject.com is the best website and forums for ms dev work ... some very good people there to help if you need any questions answered Aug 21 01:28:14 thanks Aug 21 01:28:22 np :) Aug 21 01:28:29 My real problem is just lack of familiarity with the libs. I have a lot of programming experience. Aug 21 01:28:58 there are a lot of tutorials and articles there as well to show you how to do stuff ... i learn a lot from there when im doing something new Aug 21 01:29:08 check it out ;) Aug 21 01:34:36 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bacon/comments/6x2ap/chipotle_blta_photo/ Aug 21 02:04:08 Khertan you here? Aug 21 02:21:45 wow I didn't even know I was online lol **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 21 02:59:56 2008